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West Bromwich Albion FC Forums => West Bromwich Albion FC => Topic started by: JtheMull on April 09, 2012, 07:46:03 AM
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Peace has given the green light for the FA to approach Roy Hodgson to fill the empty seat of the England Job. What happens if (or rather when) Hodgson goes? Who comes in? ??? ??? ??? Be realistic!
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I think 2 of the most likely (and most worrying) have been missed off the list in Appleton and McInnes. Furthermore I think half of that list is completely unrealistic.
In fact I think it is more likely to be a manager from the Championship, lower leagues or Scotland.
The next managerial appointment could make or break our club. For me we have to look for Premier league experience, but I feel it will be another Mowbray/RDM calibre appointment.
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Floydy- I agree that McInnes is a worrying possibility but Appleton is doing brilliant managing Portsmouth. He wouldn't come back to MANAGE the Albion. He's a Championship manager at best. I also agree the likes of Rafa Benitez and Martin O'Neill are unrealistic but who else is 'unrealistic'. Owen Coyle and Mark Hughes are likely to be jobless in the next few months-they're not Championship managers. Alan Curbishley is probably our best chance though.
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Chris Hughton is the standout candidate, he's done a fantastic job at Birmingham and at the Toon.
If he's not available I'd like us to give Solskjaer a chance, or possibly go continental and go for someone like Laudrup who is already used to working in a setup like ours.
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Lloydy- I agree but we have more chance with Curbishley. He's jobless and (like Chris Hughton and Solskjaer) his style of play suits us. I have to admit Laudrup is very experienced and would probably go for West Brom. :-\
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@Lloydy- I agree but we have more chance with Curbishley. He's jobless and (like Chris Hughton and Solskjaer) his style of play suits us. I have to admit Laudrup is very experienced and would probably go for West Brom. :-\
I wouldn't like Curbishley, rejected us before because we were apparently "below" him. Can't stand the arrogant tool. Let him go to W*lves in the Championship.
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Lloydy- When did he say that? Also when did he reject us?
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It looks like the FA are going to offer Harry Redknapp AND Roy Hodgson the England Job within the next few weeks. What happens if (or when) Hodgson goes? Who comes in? ??? ??? ??? Be realistic!
less i just got up late this morning where on earth does it say that?
some one got a link?
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baggies37-It said it in the daily mail a few days ago.
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I didn't vote Martinez but i wouldn't be disappointed if we got him.I think he would do better at a bigger club than Wigan. I know its looking likely he will take Wigan down but they were only going to have a short life in the premier league anyway and he started the football philosophy at Swansea
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Chris Hughton or Mark Hughes for me.Chris has enough ability to manage a premier league team and I'm confident that he will make us to be a established mid-table team.For Mark Hughes,although some people don't like him,I rated him highly.His results in man city may prove that he isn't a suitable manager for a top team,but his record in blackburn have proved that he is a class manager for managing mid-table team.Although blackburn didn't have huge budget(similar with us),he still could bring blackburn to europe.Therefore,one of them join us will satisfy me.
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Paul Lambert would be worth a look as would nigel clough
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Managers with Premier League experience are either employed by other Premier League clubs or out of work because they buggered up their last appointment there is one exception to this and that is Chris Hughton. Otherwise I would look at the up and coming managers on the list Poyet and Freeman being the most obvious.
To suggest the likes of Hughes, O'Neil and Keane is just laughable both in terms of availability, wages and transfer budget. Hughes left Fulham because they lacked ambition god knows what he would make of working under Peace at the Hawthorns. Personally I would love to get Brendan Rodgers but there is the small matter of the £5m release clause in his contract and why would leave Swansea for us?
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The Chelsea manager is doing quite well ;-)
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TAFKATMNo1Fan- Yes but he's already gone through the West Brom experience.
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Mull, your tagline just made me spill my tea. Very good mate.
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Curbishley is so far up himself you'd never get him back down far enough to attend the interview, plus he'd want a kings ransome in transfer budgets.
One missing from the list that I would plum for would be Nigel Adkins, currently at Southampton
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Right now Baggie Bird has more votes than Allardyce, Bruce, O'Neil and Erricksson combined. :D Might be a better option than at least 3 of those.
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Poyet and Hughton for their good football.
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It has to be a forward step from Hodgson and there is only one manager on that list who IMO would be a forward step and thats Benitez.
Allardyce, Bruce, O'Neil come close and maybe Erricksson but they dont topple Hodgson!
As long as it someone who is not in the Championship!
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It has to be a forward step from Hodgson and there is only one manager on that list who IMO would be a forward step and thats Benitez.
Allardyce, Bruce, O'Neil come close and maybe Erricksson but they dont topple Hodgson!
As long as it someone who is not in the Championship!
Huh? Eriksson's CV makes Roy's look like a joke tbh.
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I'm going to stick my neck out and say...
... There is absolutely no chance of the FA employing both Harry and Roy. I can't believe that anyone trusts anything written in the daily mail especially something this ridiculous.
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Eriksson doesn't have the heart to be a manager anymore. Ever since leaving England he's just bounced around jobs pretty half heartedly (although he did ok at Man City) he also spends loads of money everywhere he goes.
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Eriksson doesn't have the heart to be a manager anymore. Ever since leaving England he's just bounced around jobs pretty half heartedly (although he did ok at Man City) he also spends loads of money everywhere he goes.
Agreed. By the looks of it he has lost his belly for football, but not for fine wines and ladies.
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What if you don't like any of the choices listed?
I think there's some names on there which are totally out of our reach; Benitez, Hughes, O'Neill - Benitez apparently turned down the Villa job because he wasn't happy with the war chest available so there's little chance of him coming here.
If Roy does decide to go I don't know which route I would prefer, the younger manager route like Michael Appleton or the more experienced type of guy. It's a decision I'm glad I don't have to make.
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if blues dont come up. and roy goes. i would like to see chris hughton come here
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If Roy leaves - Chris Hughton is stand out candidate for me..
The fact that we were very close to signing him when RDM left suggests that he would possibly be the stand out candidate from the boards view.
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If Roy leaves - Chris Hughton is stand out candidate for me..
The fact that we were very close to signing him when RDM left suggests that he would possibly be the stand out candidate from the boards view.
It looks to me as if Roy will stay now but Hughton for me should be manager of the year for what he achieved so far this season .
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I'm surprised Holloway isn't mentioned in all of this. He got 39 points with a Blackpool team that cost essentially nothing, and had a wage cap of 10k I seem to remember. They were by far and away the poorest monetary team in the league yet still got a points total that would keep them up 9 times out of 10. All whilst playing very exciting football.
If they'd had more money and been able to spend a bit on the defence they would have been fine. Likewise this season they lost their 3 best players and had to rely on free transfers, and are once again over achieving.
That said, if Hodgson is available he's by far the best choice. But Holloway mixes experience with potential. All he needs is a chance to prove himself at a team with more resources.
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Can somebody please remove Martin O'neil from the options. ??? ???
Either that or add in Moyes, Ferguson and Wenger
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If Hodgson does go from that list i'd want Hughton, although i'd also be interested in Adkins but not sure he'd leave Southampton with them pretty much promoted.
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Can somebody please remove Martin O'neil from the options. ??? ???
Either that or add in Moyes, Ferguson and Wenger
Am I the only one who doesn't rate O'Neill? I think the Villa situation going pearshaped was in no small part down to him, he lacks imagination and ran out of ideas towards the end of his reign (ie he couldn't overpay for British talent anymore).
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GrGr you're not the only one, I think O'Neil is over rated too. He signed the likes of Marlon Harewood at Villa say no more.
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Am I the only one who doesn't rate O'Neill? I think the Villa situation going pearshaped was in no small part down to him, he lacks imagination and ran out of ideas towards the end of his reign (ie he couldn't overpay for British talent anymore).
No I think you will find that you are not the only one. Would not want O'Neil anywhere near the club over paid over rated and yes the Villa are in the mess they're in in no small part to O'Neil being let lose with the owners cheque book. I wouldn't have Bruce & Hughes for similar reasons.
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I wouldn't like Curbishley, rejected us before because we were apparently "below" him. Can't stand the arrogant tool. Let him go to W*lves in the Championship.
And rightly so. At the time, our chairman refused to spend the money NEEDED to stay in the Prem.
Curbishley is a fantastic manager who would produce the same sort of results as Hodgson but do it in a more entertaining way.
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Curbishley is a fantastic manager who would produce the same sort of results as Hodgson but do it in a more entertaining way.
What makes you say that? He is hardly known for playing stylish football, quite the opposite in fact
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Indeed I believe the West Ham fans slaughted him during his time there for his unattractive style of play. Remember Quashie being a scape goat during his time there.
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right I have voted for two managers but I don't really want either, I'm going to vote for other and suggest that if Hodgson goes to England (which won't happen anyway) why don't we go after Stuart Pearce?
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right I have voted for two managers but I don't really want either, I'm going to vote for other and suggest that if Hodgson goes to England (which won't happen anyway) why don't we go after Stuart Pearce?
Two managers??? You either work for the FA...or the Daily Mail. ;D
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I cant see Roy turning down the England job at all its anyones dream especially if your getting to the end of your career...so if he goes who would you want?
For me Paola Di Canio is my ideal choice.
Too early for Appleton/McIness
I would love AVB but are we too small for him?
other options Martinez?
Hughton?
Poyet?
Ole Gunar Solksjaer?
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We could also bare in mind that Roy Hodgson is still Albion head coach at this moment in time so threads like this are perhaps premature. I don't really know who I'd fancy to be honest either which is what worries me the most.
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That Guardiola fella is available isn't he?
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I'd go all out to persuade Paul Lambert we are a more progressive club than Norwich.
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Very difficult to follow Hodgson as he's proved how much we needed the know-how of a current Prem level manager.
Part of me would like Hughton but he still so untried at the top level and we cannot afford to gamble and fall back to the bad old yo-yo days. Then again, some of the so-called experianced managers that we could get don't fill me with much hope (eg Bruce).
Still, Roy might still be here yet !
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Nigel Adkins anyone?
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Nigel Adkins anyone?
Can't see him leaving the upwardly mobile Saints.
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Nigel Adkins anyone?
I like him. Done very well at Scunny and Southampton. Can't see him leaving Southampton now they have been promoted.
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Solskjaer, Michael Laudrup or maybe Chris Hughton
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Worrying thing for me is we are due a bogey. All our appointments have been so successful under Peace (question marks over Robson). I would like to see Ollie Gunnar in.
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Jeremy is probably interviewing has we speak . You don't think he will let the grass grow under his feet ,specially with season tickets about to go on sale
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Have added the option of Ray Wilkins. Do you want me to reset vote?
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The olny reason Hodson has been contacted in front of Rednap is that Tottenham are still battling to secure a champions league place and we are not so don't worry folks its just procedure I think the lob is Rednaps..
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Chris Hugton , Roberto Martinez, not much out there . Please not Bruce :-X
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PAOLA DI CANIO!
Would love AVB but would he come?
Solksjaer if cant get either of the above.
its too early for Mcinnes and appleton.
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PAOLA DI CANIO!
Would love AVB but would he come?
Solksjaer if cant get either of the above.
its too early for Mcinnes and appleton.
I think Paolo Di Canio would be one of the last managers on the list due to his erratic style which is probably why Ian Holloway could potentially be ruled out. If its too early for Appleton and McInnes, isn't it too early for Di Canio? McInnes and Appleton have spent longer in football management than Di Canio.
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Too early for McInnes or Appleton.
Would love Rodgers, Adkins or McDermott but i think those boats have sailed.
Realistically Poyet or Hughton.
Don't know much about Solskjaer or Laudrup. They doing well then?
Is AVB unrealistic?
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Too early for McInnes or Appleton.
Would love Rodgers, Adkins or McDermott but i think those boats have sailed.
Realistically Poyet or Hughton.
Don't know much about Solskjaer or Laudrup. They doing well then?
Is AVB unrealistic?
Solskjaer won the league in his first season albeit in Norway with a side that hadn't won it in years.
Laudrup was doing well at Mallorca until he fell out with the President (many do by the looks of it) and quit.
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AVB is unrealistic as he is being linked with the Barca Job. But again- Do you want me to reset the vote? Yes or No?
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wouldn't want solskaer at all, anyone can win in a poxy league like norway.
Gus Poyet, will be similar to RDM when he first came i think, we'd have him for 2 years then he'll leave.
Hughton for me.
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Would quite fancy Martinez but as mad as it sounds would he leave Wigan? He turned the Villa job down although he would have had no money to spend. Alan Irvine? :-D
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wouldn't want solskaer at all, anyone can win in a poxy league like norway.
Gus Poyet, will be similar to RDM when he first came i think, we'd have him for 2 years then he'll leave.
Hughton for me.
Well the previous managers at that club couldn't do it mate, everyone has to start somewhere.
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Chris Powell for me. Has done very well at Charlton.
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Rodgers or Martinez.
More worryingly will be the players we'll lose along with Roy. Foster, Olson, to name but two.
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I'm available ;D
I don't even know what type of manager we would need to be honest. Do we go down the young and inexperienced route, or do we look for a more experienced head coach?
Decisions, decisions, decisions.
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wouldn't want solskaer at all, anyone can win in a poxy league like norway.
Gus Poyet, will be similar to RDM when he first came i think, we'd have him for 2 years then he'll leave.
Hughton for me.
Well Roy's best finish in that league was 5th. ;D
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I am reseting the vote. Pick any 2 managers off the list.
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Holloway - plays good football, proven on a budget, somewhat proven in the premier league (they went down but 39 points would keep most teams up, and they had virtually no money).
I think he could work well within our system. I think we can safely rule out any fellow premier league clubs managers.
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I've had a feeling for quite a while that Curbishley would be our next manager. The club will spin it as an experienced Premier League coach coming in to build upon the work of another experienced coach.
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Tony Mowbray for me. We would have easily stayed up if he had a Mulumbu in his midfield. I think this squad is ready made for him Plenty of defensive midfield cover, which would allow him to be more expansive than we have been under Roy. Maybe the parting with Mr Peace wasv't amicable, but if Tevez can return to clinch the title for City, surely anything is possible after that.
Tony Mowbray please, and a return to the good times.
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Nigel Adkins anyone?
why would he leave southampton! according to the Sun being promoted got them a £90m windfall :D
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I've had a feeling for quite a while that Curbishley would be our next manager. The club will spin it as an experienced Premier League coach coming in to build upon the work of another experienced coach.
Same. I've got a bad feeling about him.
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I've had a feeling for quite a while that Curbishley would be our next manager. The club will spin it as an experienced Premier League coach coming in to build upon the work of another experienced coach.
Curbishley doesn't like the 'techincal director' at clubs so wouldn't join.
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AVB is unrealistic as he is being linked with the Barca Job. But again- Do you want me to reset the vote? Yes or No?
Is he?! Would be a poor appointment for Barca IMO. Very over-rated top tier manager if you ask me.
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Tony Mowbray for me. We would have easily stayed up if he had a Mulumbu in his midfield. I think this squad is ready made for him Plenty of defensive midfield cover, which would allow him to be more expansive than we have been under Roy. Maybe the parting with Mr Peace wasv't amicable, but if Tevez can return to clinch the title for City, surely anything is possible after that.
Tony Mowbray please, and a return to the good times.
good joke. :-D
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The question is who will be our next head coach? It needs to be somone who is comftable working in our existing set up. As stated above can't see Curbs coming he would want to be a manager like the Sam Alardyce's of this world.
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Every year for the past decade Curbishely name is brought up when there is a vacant managers job. Jesus wept, can we move on from Curbishley - he has been out of the game too long. Give it to someone who wants to work.
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Is he?! Would be a poor appointment for Barca IMO. Very over-rated top tier manager if you ask me.
He did a fantastic job at Porto and was never given a full crack of the whip at Chelski.
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AVB is unrealistic as he is being linked with the Barca Job. But again- Do you want me to reset the vote? Yes or No?
Barca have a manager in place for next season. Tito Vilanova Peps' number 2
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Would love David Moyes but realistically in order of preference:
Martin Jol, Chris Hughton, Ian Holloway, Mark Hughes
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None of them listed, heard pepe guadiola available haha
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For all you that think were boring what about Ian Holloway :P Done a great job at Blackpool. Would make us fun again. Dammm going to miss Roy if he goes though :'(
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Is he?! Would be a poor appointment for Barca IMO. Very over-rated top tier manager if you ask me.
I'm not saying he would be a good appointment for Barca- but think about it. West Brom fight it out with Barca for Villas Boas. If I woke up to that headline I would die.
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Hughton or Martinez. I'd pay top whack to get Martinez. Hughton would be cheap and if Blues don't get promoted he would surely be keen. If they got up then he I think would be loyal.
Can't see Rodgers leaving Swans for us. All the other names are unrealistic or unproven. We don't need to take risks on novices.
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Surprised I'm the only person to mention Lambert. Two successive promotions and now he has firmly embedded Naaaarwich in the top flight. Quality manager.
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Guardiola? :P
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Chris Hughton all day long for me. Get's a team well drilled and plays a similar style of football to what we already do.
I'd go all out.
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Shame Warnocks recently taken a new job :-D Sir Gary is out of work!
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Martinez or Poyet would be the best choices, reckon we'll go for Allardyce, Bruce or Curbishley though.
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Surprised I'm the only person to mention Lambert. Two successive promotions and now he has firmly embedded Naaaarwich in the top flight. Quality manager.
Couldn't see him sidestepping from Norwich if i'm honest.
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Couldn't see him sidestepping from Norwich if i'm honest.
Me neither. Worth a cheeky enquiry though.
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I've just had a worrying thought isn't Mr Peace and the heiracy at the baggies big fans of Aidy Boothroyd?
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Anyone suggested Malky Mackay? Might be a good option if Cardiff don't go up. Plays decent football and apparently quite a progressive coach. Probably wouldn't mind working under Ashworth either.
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If Blues stay down it has to be Hughton. If they come up, Gus Poyet.
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Anyone suggested Malky Mackay? Might be a good option if Cardiff don't go up. Plays decent football and apparently quite a progressive coach. Probably wouldn't mind working under Ashworth either.
Good shout
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Martinez or Poyet would be the best choices, reckon we'll go for Allardyce, Bruce or Curbishley though.
jeez i bloody hope not!......got to be Martinez or Hughton as the outstanding candidates
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Hughton would want his own back room staff like before. Wouldn't want to work with Downing and Kiely.
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I've just had a worrying thought isn't Mr Peace and the heiracy at the baggies big fans of Aidy Boothroyd?
Behave !!!!
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I think the scene is set for Martinez. Ticks all the boxes for JP.
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Please no to Curbishley. He sued West Ham for constructive dismissal after he left them! just because they sold a couple of players to help out financially.
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I voted for Chris Hughton, he's done a fantastic job at blues with pretty much nothing! I wouldn't want Steve Bruce or big Sam!
I doubt Roy will turn this down unfortunately for us, but I think we are all very great full for what he has done at our club and thank him if he does leave.
Hodgson's Barmy Army! :)
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I think the votes for Rafael Benitez, Martin O'Neill, SGE and Mark Hughes are well beyond us. We wouldn't offer even of them the sort of money they would want to improve the squad. I've voted for Chris Hughton and Ian Holloway. It was either Holloway or OGS for my second suggestion.
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I've just had a worrying thought isn't Mr Peace and the heiracy at the baggies big fans of Aidy Boothroyd?
That's a myth. Peace and Boothroyd had a big bost up.
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He did a fantastic job at Porto and was never given a full crack of the whip at Chelski.
That may be so, but I fear Valencia are a far more attractive prospect that us.
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We have a number of managers on our on going WATCH list..........be surprised if Derek Mc was not amongst them ...........looked prety dire at BC before he got there
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I think the poll needs to be edited for realistic names only. We all laughed at the dingles and the villa when they were suggesting the likes of Hughes, Eriksson and co. Do we really want the same treatment ?
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I really do hate looking for a new manager. purely because i normally havent a clue who to suggest. Noone in the last 10 years we have appointed ive actively wanted beforehand. :(
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Call yourself Albion fans lol ?
The next manager will be Brian Laudrup 100%
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Roy Hodgson, oh wey oh, Roy Hodgson, oh wey oh!
He'll manage Eng-erland,
The pride of the Midlands!
Roy Hodgson, oh wey oh, Roy Hodgson, oh wey oh!
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got to be brendan rodgers for me always held the albion in high regard i remember when mogga was in charge, the only draw back is the five million compo swansea would want. :-[
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Call yourself Albion fans lol ?
The next manager will be Brian Laudrup 100%
I doubt it 100% he works for TV stations.
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My shortlist
1)Martinez - Wigan
2)Holloway- Blackpool
3) Hughton - Blues
4)Malkaay- Cardiff
5) Ranieri - Looking for work
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My shortlist
1)Martinez - Wigan
2)Holloway- Blackpool
3) Hughton - Blues
4)Malkaay- Cardiff
5) Ranieri - Looking for work
Another totally unrealistic name
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Steve Bruce's application will already be in the post ;)
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Have added Laudrupt.
Mull signing out-well not out but, nevermind.
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Steve Bruce's application will already be in the post ;)
Don't even joke about it !!!!
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Brian Laudrup is a tv commentator and pundit.
MICHAEL Laudrup is an ex manager of Mallorca ;)
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I think the votes for Rafael Benitez, Martin O'Neill, SGE and Mark Hughes are well beyond us. We wouldn't offer even of them the sort of money they would want to improve the squad. I've voted for Chris Hughton and Ian Holloway. It was either Holloway or OGS for my second suggestion.
What has Hughes done in the game to suggest he's beyond us?
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I doubt it 100% he works for TV stations.
What difference does that make ?
Roy Hodgson works for Westbromwich Albion but he`s still going for the England job.
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I'm going to stick my neck out and say...
... There is absolutely no chance of the FA employing both Harry and Roy. I can't believe that anyone trusts anything written in the daily mail especially something this ridiculous.
Things change in a couple of weeks!!!
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Now please don't shoot the messenger but here is the latest odds from Skybet
Roberto Martinez 5
Steve Bruce 5
Lee Clark 10
Rafael Benitez 10
Sam Allardyce 11
Alan Curbishley 12
Dean Kiely 12
Mick McCarthy 12
Brendan Rodgers 16
Gus Poyet 16
Mark Hughes 16
Slaven Bilic 16
Stuart Pearce 16
Paul Lambert 18
Alan Shearer 20
Dougie Freedman 20
Neil Warnock 20
Nigel Adkins 20
Paul Ince 20
Ray Wilkins 20
Darren Ferguson 25
Martin Jol 25
Paul Di Canio 25
Sven Goran Eriksson 25 Chris Powell 28
Claudio Ranieri 33
Roy Keane 33
I have to say some of the odds are not very generous you could stick 2 noughts on the end of the Warnock odds and you they still would be too short and then there are the plain silly ones Benitez oh dear pity the poor punter who thinks that's a good idea
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I can't see us paying compo to get someone in. Free agents only. I think Steve Bruce will be in the mix. Worrying times ahead.
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What difference does that make ?
Roy Hodgson works for Westbromwich Albion but he`s still going for the England job.
Because Brian Laudrup has not managed a club in his life.
His brother Michael however ;)
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Steve Bruce's application will already be in the post ;)
Quick someone nail the clubs letter box shut!!
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Would like to see the Swansea gaffer down ere, or Hughton.
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Slaven Billic croatia manager
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What has Hughes done in the game to suggest he's beyond us?
I'm sure Hughes will see himself at bigger and better things. Add that to his job at QPR. He has money there to spend in the summer and improve them and no doubt take them to the next level. We can't guarantee any manager a warchest and certainly not the wages you would presume he's on at QPR.
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Capello anyone?
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Capello anyone?
Is that a serious suggestion?
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Pep Guardiola! ;-)
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Gus Poyet is the one for me. Great job at Brighton, he has Premiership experience through playing and has something about him. Good chance he would want to leave Brighton for a mid-table Premiership side.
Chris Hughton would be nice but can't see it happening.
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If Bolton go down Owen Coyle ?
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If Bolton go down Owen Coyle ?
Definately not.................vastly overrated
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Mogga. Get him back in.
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Another thing to potentially bare in mind is that we could be fighting Wolves for potential managers. Gus Poyet and Chris Hughton are already keen favourites amongst their supporters for that job so we could be caught in a possible battle with them. You could also add Aston Villa into this category if they choose to sack McLeish during the summer.
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Mogga. Get him back in.
too complicated they will all have to relearn how to pass accurately sideways and backwards. someone will be suggesting we resign ryan donk next.
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Yep!!!SORRY LOL!!!!!
Its defo Micheal Laudrup!!!!!!!and not Brian!!!!!100%
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Another thing to potentially bare in mind is that we could be fighting Wolves for potential managers. Gus Poyet and Chris Hughton are already keen favourites amongst their supporters for that job so we could be caught in a possible battle with them. You could also add Aston Villa into this category if they choose to sack McLeish during the summer.
Very true, but i think we'd be in pole position over championship Wolves and even Villa with Lerner's money worries. I still think Mcleish will be kept on at Villa next season.
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Now please don't shoot the messenger but here is the latest odds from Skybet
Roberto Martinez 5
Steve Bruce 5
Lee Clark 10
Rafael Benitez 10
Sam Allardyce 11
Alan Curbishley 12
Dean Kiely 12
Mick McCarthy 12
Brendan Rodgers 16
Gus Poyet 16
Mark Hughes 16
Slaven Bilic 16
Stuart Pearce 16
Paul Lambert 18
Alan Shearer 20
Dougie Freedman 20
Neil Warnock 20
Nigel Adkins 20
Paul Ince 20
Ray Wilkins 20
Darren Ferguson 25
Martin Jol 25
Paul Di Canio 25
Sven Goran Eriksson 25 Chris Powell 28
Claudio Ranieri 33
Roy Keane 33
I have to say some of the odds are not very generous you could stick 2 noughts on the end of the Warnock odds and you they still would be too short and then there are the plain silly ones Benitez oh dear pity the poor punter who thinks that's a good idea
No Chris Hughton on the list?
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Very true, but i think we'd be in pole position over championship Wolves and even Villa with Lerner's money worries. I still think Mcleish will be kept on at Villa next season.
I was having a read on the mix. They've been very dignified about this which I weren't expecting. However, one or two are slightly concerned that we are far more the attractive opposition and could probably intice their candidates away from them. My mate who I've just been texting has also said the same. This is the benefit of Premier League football.
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Very true, but i think we'd be in pole position over championship Wolves and even Villa with Lerner's money worries. I still think Mcleish will be kept on at Villa next season.
I will be ASTONISHED if mcleish is kept on by the villa next season............but i will p..s myself laughing
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too complicated they will all have to relearn how to pass accurately sideways and backwards. someone will be suggesting we resign ryan donk next.
I just be happy if some of them learned to pass to stripes. *cough* McAuley, Olsson, Jones, Thomas, Long...
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I just be happy if some of them learned to pass to stripes. *cough* McAuley, Olsson, Jones, Thomas, Long...
Ha.........fair comment Jacko fair comment
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More likely than not, Roy will still be our manager next season. KEEP CALM and carry on.
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More likely than not, Roy will still be our manager next season. KEEP CALM and carry on.
What makes you think that mate?
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More likely than not, Roy will still be our manager next season. KEEP CALM and carry on.
It's highly unlikely, this isn't some ploy to draw Redknapp out. Hodgson will be named England boss before the Bolton game.
As an aside Collymore is on the wind up on twitter... Steve Bruce and Dave Jones.
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Steve Bruce manager of WBA. It doesnt bear thinking about.
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More likely than not, Roy will still be our manager next season. KEEP CALM and carry on.
what makes you think that?
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No Chris Hughton on the list?
No but seriously would not read anything into it just Sky Bet rushing some prices out to hoover up a few quid from mug punters on a Sunday night I mean Neil Warnock at 20/1 really?
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It's highly unlikely, this isn't some ploy to draw Redknapp out. Hodgson will be named England boss before the Bolton game.
As an aside Collymore is on the wind up on twitter... Steve Bruce and Dave Jones.
The blokes a plank after a reaction, I saw earlier he mentioned Mccarthy and McLeish :D
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Collymore is just trying to wind up Baggies fans who have been tweeting him all weekend. Water of a ducks back :P.
I hope (know) Ashworth will have a list of names as long aa que at an STO clinic in Wolverhampton. I hope some of them are from the continent in places like Germany and Scandanavia where there are some good managers we could potentially get if we offered enough money. Domestically, Chris Hughton has to be the best option if Blues dont come up (compensation may be an issue). Poyet would be difficult but if we could get him id be happy. Chris Powell has just brought Charlton up as well so could be worth a go.
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Stuart Pearce
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The great thing about Roy having come here and done a good job is that it should prevent big name managers that we aren't too small for them. It has raised our profile massively so that we don't have to bottom-fish for cheap managers.
I think he has also shown that its not impossible to work under a Director of Football. It may well increase the number of high calibre applicants for the job.
I'm a huge fan of Martinez and Hughton, but don't be surprised to see Mark Hughes in the frame if QPR go down.
I am convinced that one way or another we will have another top manager here next season.
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Holloway for me
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the way our club is set up with dan ashworth etc we need a good coach, similar to roy who knows how to make teams hard to beat but with a tad more attacking ideas. so for me a younger coach but with some decent playing pedigree like poyet. i have to admit i love the passion di canio shows though. imagine him and jezza!!!!
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Collymore is just trying to wind up Baggies fans who have been tweeting him all weekend. Water of a ducks back :P.
I hope (know) Ashworth will have a list of names as long aa que at an STO clinic in Wolverhampton. I hope some of them are from the continent in places like Germany and Scandanavia where there are some good managers we could potentially get if we offered enough money. Domestically, Chris Hughton has to be the best option if Blues dont come up (compensation may be an issue). Poyet would be difficult but if we could get him id be happy. Chris Powell has just brought Charlton up as well so could be worth a go.
Out of contract at the end of the season.
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Colin Tattum has askd the question on his twitter account tonight. I think we will dealy appointing anyone until after the play offs. The club would want him, the fans want him, it's a double reason with Foster now as to why we want them to lose in the play offs.
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Colin Tattum has askd the question on his twitter account tonight. I think we will dealy appointing anyone until after the play offs. The club would want him, the fans want him, it's a double reason with Foster now as to why we want them to lose in the play offs.
Am i right in thinking Foster had a fall out with one of Hughtons coaches just before he left?
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To be fair I'm happy to go with whoever we pick we have done well of late at getting the right man. Look at our stars such as Dorrans Long Brunt and Morrison. Get the man who gets the best out of them.
Perhaps a foreign coach is the way to go.
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20 votes already for Martinez is surprising and perhaps based only on his recent results. Don't forget Wigan have got worse since he took over. We might end up like a Mowbray team again - attractive but relegated.
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I've said Hughton before so many times, and I'll say it again.
Let's hope Blues don't get promoted, then we may be in for a chance of getting him.
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My picks at the moment:
1.Foreign coach (over to you Dan)
2.Roberto Martinez
3.Chris Hughton
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20 votes already for Martinez is surprising and perhaps based only on his recent results. Don't forget Wigan have got worse since he took over. We might end up like a Mowbray team again - attractive but relegated.
Why would he come to us anyway? He turned down the Villa job. I couldn't see us paying the compensation either. Hughton or Poyet for me.
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We tried the young route with RDM it worked in the Championship but when we started to lose in the prem he was clueless. We need someone who has experiance in the Premier League and who is willing to work in the current setup. So i think we can rule Bruce,Curblishley out of the running. Hughton was on the verge last year so i expect us to go for him. I. Like i said my front 3 would be Hughton,Martinez,Holloway. All 3 have premier league experiance you can say Ian Holloway failed in the Premier League but his team went down with 39 points.This summer is going to be massive could be a big overhual with new staff and players coming in.
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Two names for me:
Walter Smith - Looking for a job in England, vastly experienced, highly respected manager.
Chris Hughton – Would need some convincing to leave the excellent job he is doing at blues. Also did a fine job at Newcastle + 14 years a coach at Spurs.
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maybe a rousing rendition of TLMS could get devout catholic Marcelo Bielsa to consider a move to the Black Country!? :P
he has a reputation of being a little 'mad', id love it if he were mad enough to swap la liga and the europa league for us!
okay, il stop dreaming now
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Karl Robinson for me 100% but McInnes was very close when RDM got the job and I would not be surprised if he was close again as JP loves him.
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Karl Robinson for me 100% but McInnes was very close when RDM got the job and I would not be surprised if he was close again as JP loves him.
Is that barrel scraping I hear there (on both accounts !).
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Two names for me:
Walter Smith - Looking for a job in England, vastly experienced, highly respected manager.
Chris Hughton – Would need some convincing to leave the excellent job he is doing at blues. Also did a fine job at Newcastle + 14 years a coach at Spurs.
Walter Smith...........big eck springs to mind!.....or flippin eck
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Does anyone know to what extent bridges were burned between Peace and Hughton when the latter came very close to getting the job once before? For me, Hughton has done amazing things at Blues this season given their off field problems and would be the stand-out candidate for me, but I am concerned about what might have transpired when he was in the frame once before.
However, if Blues get promoted, it would make getting him a lot more awkward regardless though.....
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Two names for me:
Walter Smith - Looking for a job in England, vastly experienced, highly respected manager.
Chris Hughton – Would need some convincing to leave the excellent job he is doing at blues. Also did a fine job at Newcastle + 14 years a coach at Spurs.
If fans have been annoyed with Roy Hodgson this seson, god help them if we appointed Walter Smith!
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Does anyone know to what extent bridges were burned between Peace and Hughton when the latter came very close to getting the job once before? For me, Hughton has done amazing things at Blues this season given their off field problems and would be the stand-out candidate for me, but I am concerned about what might have transpired when he was in the frame once before.
However, if Blues get promoted, it would make getting him a lot more awkward regardless though.....
Roy orignally didnt want the job due to his recent sacking at Liverpool, so we went for Hughton but at the last minute Hodgson changed his mind. Hughton did say he was thankfull to JP for giving him a interview though which was nice of Hughton to be fair.
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I've been busy today and have just seen the news.......... SH!!!!!T :-[
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chris Hughtons the man for me..proved he can do it
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chris Hughtons the man for me..proved he can do it
He hasn't proven anything in the Premier League.
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I'm struggling with an immediately obvious replacement. I want somebody who will play football and Martinez would be a superb appointment.
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One man who just may be out of a job in the summer................
Come on down Roberto di Matteo
Not out of the question !!!!!!!!!!!
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For reference, the Good and Bad over the last forty years in the hot seat:
Manager Start Date End Date
Roy Hodgson 14 February 2011 Present
Michael Appleton 6 February 2011 14 February 2011
Roberto Di Matteo 30 June 2009 6 February 2011
Tony Mowbray 18 October 2006 16 June 2009
Craig Shakespeare 17 October 2006 18 October 2006
Nigel Pearson 18 September 2006 16 October 2006
Bryan Robson 9 November 2004 18 September 2006
Frank Burrows 26 October 2004 9 November 2004
Gary Megson 9 March 2000 26 October 2004
Cyrille Regis 7 March 2000 9 March 2000
Allan Evans 7 March 2000 9 March 2000
Brian Little 3 August 1999 6 March 2000
Cyrille Regis 27 July 1999 3 August 1999
John Gorman 27 July 1999 3 August 1999
Denis Smith 1 January 1998 27 July 1999
Ray Harford 6 February 1997 4 December 1997
Alan Buckley 20 October 1994 22 January 1997
Keith Burkinshaw 19 June 1993 17 October 1994
Ossie Ardiles 8 May 1992 19 June 1993
Bobby Gould 25 February 1991 5 May 1992
Brian Talbot 2 November 1988 8 January 1991
Ron Atkinson 3 September 1987 12 October 1988
Ron Saunders 14 February 1986 2 September 1987
Nobby Stiles 29 September 1985 1 February 1986
Johnny Giles 14 February 1984 29 September 1985
Ron Wylie 27 July 1982 13 February 1984
Ronnie Allen 1 July 1981 1 May 1982
Ron Atkinson 12 January 1978 30 June 1981
John Wile 22 December 1977 12 January 1978
Ronnie Allen 21 June 1977 22 December 1977
Johnny Giles 5 July 1975 21 May 1977
Don Howe 8 July 1971 7 April 1975
Who's next ???????
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Is that barrel scraping I hear there (on both accounts !).
Robinson is just about one of the highest rated managers outside the Prem, I would welcome him as he is at the perfect time in his career.
In my perfect world it would be Bilic but I know that would never happen :(
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I'm struggling with an immediately obvious replacement. I want somebody who will play football and Martinez would be a superb appointment. I
Me too, I think Martinez is looking for a bigger club unfortunatley.
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Robinson is just about one of the highest rated managers outside the Prem, I would welcome him as he is at the perfect time in his career.
In my perfect world it would be Bilic but I know that would never happen :(
I don't think we could gamble on a Div 1 manager at this stage of our development - we cannot afford the learning curve.
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Gianfranco Zola??????????
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Me too, I think Martinez is looking for a bigger club unfortunatley.
What's so fantastic about Martinez? I've never understood the hype. All he's done is scraped survival with Wigan, a team that should be doing better, several times.
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Di Matteo for me, knows the club, knows the players and from what we're currently seeing at Chelsea he's certainly worked on the defensive side of his game. I'd have him back here in a flash if he doesn't get the Chelsea job.
Its whether he'd want to come back and work under JP again, didn't they have a falling out over budgets etc or am I imagining things?
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Di Matteo for me, knows the club, knows the players and from what we're currently seeing at Chelsea he's certainly worked on the defensive side of his game. I'd have him back here in a flash if he doesn't get the Chelsea job.
Its whether he'd want to come back and work under JP again, didn't they have a falling out over budgets etc or am I imagining things?
Not saying he would come back but RDM is quoted several times as saying that he and JP still got on very well and speak occasionally.
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Not saying he would come back but RDM is quoted several times as saying that he and JP still got on very well and speak occasionally.
Fair enough, don't know where I got the falling out stories from then.
I could see him wanting to come back and finish the job he started, still well liked by many of the fans, would have nothing to prove.
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What's so fantastic about Martinez? I've never understood the hype. All he's done is scraped survival with Wigan, a team that should be doing better, several times.
He plays total football, thats what we all want to see. You think Wigan should be doing better?? Wigan are playing well above their expectations.
Skybet have made him joint favourite with Steve Bruce at 5/1
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He plays total football, thats what we all want to see. You think Wigan should be doing better?? Wigan are playing well above their expectations.
Skybet have made him joint favourite with Steve Bruce at 5/1
Skybet also have Neil Warnock at 20/1 just after he signed a new contract at Leeds. I wouldn't trust a word of it.
Di Matteo, Chris Hughton, Gus Poyet or Malky Mackay!
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I would want Benitez but that's realistically not going to happen as someone bigger than us will come calling. If blues go up there goes Hughton. So realistically i think were looking at Bruce, Martinez or a foreign manager
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I would want Benitez but that's realistically not going to happen as someone bigger than us will come calling. If blues go up there goes Hughton. So realistically i think were looking at Bruce, Martinez or a foreign manager
Utterly UNrealistic. Bruce no way on earth. Martinez will stay at igan, though I;d be quite happy. Foreign manager - depends who but would be a risk. We cant hang around while they get used to English football.
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Martinez is a fantastic manager; unfortunately I feel he will end up at a larger club than ourselves, perhaps Tottenham.
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ole gunner solskjaer
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Now the Barca job has gone Marcelo Bielsa would be a brilliant appointment. His side play some fantastic football and have gubbed the best we have to offer amongst others.
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Utterly UNrealistic. Bruce no way on earth. Martinez will stay at igan, though I;d be quite happy. Foreign manager - depends who but would be a risk. We cant hang around while they get used to English football.
Theres no way we get Benitez but it's the one i would like, the only realistic one we have a shot at is Bruce. I wouldn't want him but Curbeshly's been out donkey's years and isn't leaving London, Martinez would want a bigger club than us next season, the rest on that list are all at stable clubs with much bigger spending power than we have. I could see them going foreign but it would be a huge huge gamble and it would have to be someone with an impressive track record
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Di Matteo for me, knows the club, knows the players and from what we're currently seeing at Chelsea he's certainly worked on the defensive side of his game. I'd have him back here in a flash if he doesn't get the Chelsea job.
Its whether he'd want to come back and work under JP again, didn't they have a falling out over budgets etc or am I imagining things?
In my opinion Chelsea are still experiencing a honeymoon period. Di Matteo is 'one of the lads' at Chelsea; his input as a manager hasn't been that profound. He has simply given the players and assistant manager JT what they desire after the AVB debacle.
When RDM left, he had lost the dressing room and his interest in WBA had deteriorated quite drastically. A move back to the Albion would be a move backwards for both himself and the club in my opinion.
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Out of contract at the end of the season.
Surely if that is the case then he must be a strong contender if Blues don't go up?
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Hughton for me - did a very good job with Newcastle when we came up with them and he inherited it. At the time, we had a similar squad as toon, no huge stars, just some good up and comings and a few vets and he did a great job - should never have been sacked (although Pards has done a great job too as much as it hurts for me to say that as he's a tool).
Benitez is a decent name but did well at Liverpool with a great side at the time, not sure he'd be as good with a less 'galacticos' side.
SGE - nope, he's been there, seen it, done it and seems to be interested only in padding his pension.
Martinez - not sure to be honest. I suspect he'd have us play nice footy but lose the extra solidity we've gained - Wigan are on a stormer the last few months admittedly, but not sure if thats mainly down to strikers sorting themselves out or injured players returning - a bit RDM for me, no Plan B - or at least C (I know - RDM is god at Chelski at the moment, but it was a problem with us - maybe he's learnt from it - but I think Chelski will keep him, at least as No 2).
Curbs? F**k off! He's an arrogant nob who did well with a rubbish club. Won't go north of Watford gap either by sound of it.
So Hughton for me - unless Peace does the biz and we attract someone we never thought we'd get like Pep G after a month off or Jose lol. (never bet against JP). <<<< that WAS a joke by the way!!!
However, I'd be more happy if Roy is convinced to stay for a while longer, I think he'll make us better for the long term the longer he stays.
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Now it looks like RH will get the England job who will be next in line?
Michael Appleton was first name to come to my mind with the situation at Pompey however I don't think he Is ready for us just yet one day though.
Derek Mcinness same as above with Appleton not sure if he Is ready
For me one of the top choices would be CH he did well on his interview last time and is the type to fill in the roll just nicely, also would be a good way to get Ben foster signed up?!
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In my opinion Chelsea are still experiencing a honeymoon period. Di Matteo is 'one of the lads' at Chelsea; his input as a manager hasn't been that profound. He has simply given the players and assistant manager JT what they desire after the AVB debacle.
When RDM left, he had lost the dressing room and his interest in WBA had deteriorated quite drastically. A move back to the Albion would be a move backwards for both himself and the club in my opinion.
Thats cause we were rubbish, he seems to have come on leaps and bounds as a coach since then. What he is doing at Chelsea cannot just be attributed to a 'honeymoon period' the turn around since he arrived has been too drastic for that.
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He plays total football, thats what we all want to see. You think Wigan should be doing better?? Wigan are playing well above their expectations.
Skybet have made him joint favourite with Steve Bruce at 5/1
What's his stance on underbelly signings and players with soft feet?
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Joint team of McInnes and Appleton?
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Ivan Jovanovic - looking at foreign options.
Manager of APOEL - did brilliantly in the champions League this season. His track record seems decent as well.
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aslong as its not steve bruce, mick mcarthy, alex mcleish.......
poyet for me if we are going to plunge for a manager from lower down. think di canio would to much of a risk. id like to have martinez think hes a great manager hes kept probably the worst side in the league up a few times now! imagine what he could do with better players.
guardiolas free haha....
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Steve Kean anyone?
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I know they have just been promoted but Nigel Adkins would be superb. Intelligent bloke and has worked wonders at Saints. However, doubtful that he would want to leave them. Ian Holloway or Di Canio would definitely bring some form of entertainment!
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I know they have just been promoted but Nigel Adkins would be superb. Intelligent bloke and has worked wonders at Saints. However, doubtful that he would want to leave them. Ian Holloway or Di Canio would definitely bring some form of entertainment!
great post i agree with all the sentiments
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I know they have just been promoted but Nigel Adkins would be superb. Intelligent bloke and has worked wonders at Saints. However, doubtful that he would want to leave them. Ian Holloway or Di Canio would definitely bring some form of entertainment!
I'd prefer McDermott from Reading but lets be realistic neither are going to join as both have just been promoted
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Now there's even more reason to support anyone but B'ham in the play-offs. If B'ham don't go up then we have more chance of keeping Foster, and more chance of getting Hughton.
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Please please not Bruce.
I think we may go for Poyet.
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Hughton or Solskjaer for me
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Tough one, if Blues dont go up then I would love Chris Hughton here.
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Has JP and Ashworth been expecting this and have somebody lined up already to take the helm?
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Martinez the current bookie favourite
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Martinez the current bookie favourite
Any links to bookies ?
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Any links to bookies ?
To be fair it was what i heard on TalkSport this morning, a rep of BetFred i think it was
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I would think we already have a short list of names, we have been expecting this approach for a few months now. it will be intresting to see who is on the list in the next few days.
I can't see us resolving any player contracts until the manager is signed either.
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In all honesty I fear for us...
We fell lucky with Hodgson imo. He's managed all over the world, managed international teams, won league titles, speaks 7 languages, knows everyone worth knowing in the game and the most important thing is, he can manage clubs with no money and average players and make those teams perform above their level like us, Fulham etc. Top bloke and manager. We'd need a manager like bloody Mourinho, Fergie, Guardiolla to replace Hodgson to continue the way we are as they are people that could make our players perform anywhere near the level as Hodgson can. I fear with any of the other managers being mentioned, we will slide back into the 'yo-yo' team we were once known as... Obviously I don't expect us to go out and appoint the out of work Pep Guardiolla, however the pool of managers being batted about falls quite a bit away from Roy Hodgson's accolades and experience. imo.
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What about Glenn Hoddle?
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Another thing to think about is that Wolves and potentially Villa could be looking for a new manager over the summer. I know Wolves are in the Championship now, so may not be a worry but whether we like it or not Villa will almost certainly be a more attractive proposition for another manager. So let's hope we move fast.
I'd like to see Hughton brought in, done well wherever he's been and highly spoke about can see us having to pay quite a bit of compensation to Blues though which may be a stumbling block. Lets just hope they don't get promoted!
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What about Glenn Hoddle?
I would actually hate that lol. I just don't rate him.
Optimistically I went for Martinez, but I don't think he'll come as he gets on so well with the Wigan chairman, so why would he jepordize that for a potential head ache job?
Realistically, if Blues don't go up in the play offs, we could land Hughton.
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Paolo Di Canio <3
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I honestly haven't got a clue who I would want, no one stands out for me. Have to hope those at the club that make the decision have a much clearer idea.
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Slaven Bilic, Croatia manager
Hadjuk Split
21 November 2001
4 May 2002
P17 W11 D4 L2
Win % 64.70
Croatia U21
18 August 2004
1 August 2006
P18 W10 D2 L6
Win % 55.55
Croatia
1 August 2006
Present
P59 W40 D13 L6
Win % 67.80
Stats don't lie, only thing is would he come if given the opportunity?
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One thing with Peace/Ashworth; the chances are it will be no-one we've thought of. Who saw RDM coming? And Roy? Not me...
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Solskjaer all day long for me.
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Solskjaer all day long for me.
Based on what...?
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Based on what...?
Thats what i thought
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Without doubt the biggest appointment in the clubs history for a long time..
If Roy gets the job, the next manager will really shape our future, the right choice could see us push on and secure ourselves as a mid table force, the wrong decision and were back to square 1.
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Well, why not? He's won the league in Norway with his team Molde (first league title in history), and seems to be doing quite well as a manager. Given the choices available on the poll, I don't really think we need a washed-up manager, which most the options are.
I'd take Hughton though, but I'd prefer Solskjaer.
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The premiership is no place for beginners! It becomes obvious when you go through a tough run. An experienced and sometimes steady hand makes the difference when this happens and it does to most teams during a season.
Hughton seems one of the more likely shouts based on last time round and Blues current financial issues. I wouldn't mind Lambert but he's in a job and would he come anyway?
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Any links to bookies ?
Here you go.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager
Personally I think Lambert is the outstanding candidate.
Hughton has done well at Blouse/Newcastle.
Brendon Rogers also fits the criteria IMO
Martin Jol is another who would fit the bill and has affiliation with the club, might cost a bit though.
Then there is the madman from Blackpool who would make an entertaining appointment!!!!!
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Well, why not? He's won the league in Norway with his team Molde (first league title in history), and seems to be doing quite well as a manager. Given the choices available on the poll, I don't really think we need a washed-up manager, which most the options are.
I'd take Hughton though, but I'd prefer Solskjaer.
Molde are in the Champions League this season, surely that would be a stumbling block.
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Malky Mackay for me. Great young manager who has the desire to succeed.
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I really worry that it will be Appleton
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In all honesty I fear for us...
We fell lucky with Hodgson imo. He's managed all over the world, managed international teams, won league titles, speaks 7 languages, knows everyone worth knowing in the game and the most important thing is, he can manage clubs with no money and average players and make those teams perform above their level like us, Fulham etc. Top bloke and manager. We'd need a manager like bloody Mourinho, Fergie, Guardiolla to replace Hodgson to continue the way we are as they are people that could make our players perform anywhere near the level as Hodgson can. I fear with any of the other managers being mentioned, we will slide back into the 'yo-yo' team we were once known as... Obviously I don't expect us to go out and appoint the out of work Pep Guardiolla, however the pool of managers being batted about falls quite a bit away from Roy Hodgson's accolades and experience. imo.
A perfect fit for England then. ;D
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The amount of votes for Holloway scare the life out of me.
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Ian Holloways barmey army :D
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from what was going to be quite a busy summer anyway with decisions to be made on foster,olsen,reid,scharner,andrews,fortune,tchoyi and cox and then replacements signed for any of those we now need a new head coach before that can happen. so hopefully a swift appointment so its more evolution than revolution
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Out of this list: Laudrup, Brendan Rogers, or Paul Lambert would be my preferred candidates.
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Hughton
Push the boat out JP and go get pep!!!
Seriously, Hughton, always rated him.
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Sky bet has Martyn jol at 25/1
And ranieri at 33/1
Dean Kiely is at 12/1
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Stuart Pearce anyone?
16/1
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Might Hughton still be smarting?
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Holloway for me.
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I would be surprised if it isn't any of those in the list, just remember the RDM appointment.
Got a feeling in my bones about Benitez though.
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Holloway for me.
I would hate to have that publicity seeking tosser at our club.
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I would hate to have that publicity seeking tosser at our club.
Second that, he's a grade A prat!
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Would Chris Hughton leave Blues and go to there local rivals??
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Might Hughton still be smarting?
That's a really good point, I never thought about that. That sudden u-turn might mean Hughton's out of the running.
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Got a feeling in my bones about Benitez though.
Why would he lower himself to a club like ours? I laughed at the ridiculousness of this suggestion from a number of Dingles a couple of months back.
I don't mean to disrespect our own club but Benitez will see himself as too good for us given his CV.
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I would be surprised if it isn't any of those in the list, just remember the RDM appointment.
Got a feeling in my bones about Benitez though.
Is that feeling accompanied by a total lack of common sense? If Benitez denied Villa, i doubt very seriously that he'd come here. I reckon he was after the Spurs job if Harry got the England job. Sadly, i simply cannot see him at Albion.
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Brum will end up winning play offs, so in that case no hughton.
Some on the list are out of the question completely, Rogers, Lambert would not come here. Not enough of a step for them.
As long as we don't get an inexperienced newbie I'm fine with any appointment.
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Might Hughton still be smarting?
He knows how football works, we managed to get someone more qualified than him at the time but a move to us would be seen as a forward step for him given the issues financially at Blues. I wouldn't be surprised to see other clubs in for him in the summer though given the job he's done there.
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Why would he lower himself to a club like ours? I laughed at the ridiculousness of this suggestion from a number of Dingles a couple of months back.
I don't mean to disrespect our own club but Benitez will see himself as too good for us given his CV.
Totally agree, he could have the pick of 90% of Premier League and La Liga clubs.
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I would be surprised if it isn't any of those in the list, just remember the RDM appointment.
Got a feeling in my bones about Benitez though.
haha i dont think so wasnt he inter manager?! i pray we dont get holloway the hard work of the last two years will be washed away and itll be back to the mowbray days of playing great attractive football and going down.
Is RDM coming back unrealistic?
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Would Chris Hughton leave Blues and go to there local rivals??
Albion-Birmingham isn't that intense a rivalry, I think they only genuine backlash would be the fact that we're robbing all of their players/staff. Which of course, I think is hilarious. Maybe nab Foster and Curtis Davies while we're there just to rub it in a little more. Our summer pretty much relies entirely upon whether they get promoted or not now. 'MON BLACKPOOL!
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Brum will end up winning play offs, so in that case no hughton.
Some on the list are out of the question completely, Rogers, Lambert would not come here. Not enough of a step for them.
As long as we don't get an inexperienced newbie I'm fine with any appointment.
I'm not trying to disrespect Birmingham at all but even if they win the playoffs we will probably be seen as a better option given their financial problems. As long as there are no hard feelings after last time and we want him I would be very surprised if we didn't get him regardless of what league Blues are in.
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I think if we took Hughton, would make the deal for Foster that little bit more difficult as they wouldnt want to lose both to us.
Ranieri isnt a bad shout though...
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Might Hughton still be smarting?
Publically stated that JP dealt with the situation very well and they remain on good terms.
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I think if we took Hughton, would make the deal for Foster that little bit more difficult as they wouldnt want to lose both to us.
Would they have much of a choice considering their current financial problems? I think if they stay down there is a chance they might go into administration and end up hurtling down the leagues.
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I think the Hughton one is interesting, its probably a bit disrespectful to Blues to assume he would jump to come to us, from what i have seen of him he seems a decent and loyal bloke and Blues gave him a chance which he took and i think he may well show some loyalty.
However if this whole financial thing is as bad as appears with Blues and they dont go up, cant sign players, etc he may also think that he has done all he can.
As much as i would like a Martinez, Rodgers, Lambert, Adkins for their style i also think that although we are appealing to some managers i think those managers may well look at us as a bit of a sideways move. We are probably around where we are going to finish each season so they may look and think can we actually make them that much better, where as the clubs they are at now there reputations are golden and they can afford to probably get relegated and know they would have another year in the job.
Thats not putting us down, i think we are an attractive propostion to many managers, good league position, well run, good academy, no debt, history, facilities, fanbase, etc but i also wonder how many managers who are proven or are on a high at the moment would be prepared to come in under our setup, not knocking our setup, the club is more important than any one person but not sure all managers would fancy the setup.
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great, now england will be even more exciting to watch than they already were ???
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ALAN IRVINE and DEREK MCINNES are at the hawthorns this morning ! interviews already .
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ALAN IRVINE and DEREK MCINNES are at the hawthorns this morning ! interviews already .
Where you had that from?
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I think the Hughton one is interesting, its probably a bit disrespectful to Blues to assume he would jump to come to us, from what i have seen of him he seems a decent and loyal bloke and Blues gave him a chance which he took and i think he may well show some loyalty.
However if this whole financial thing is as bad as appears with Blues and they dont go up, cant sign players, etc he may also think that he has done all he can.
As much as i would like a Martinez, Rodgers, Lambert, Adkins for their style i also think that although we are appealing to some managers i think those managers may well look at us as a bit of a sideways move. We are probably around where we are going to finish each season so they may look and think can we actually make them that much better, where as the clubs they are at now there reputations are golden and they can afford to probably get relegated and know they would have another year in the job.
Thats not putting us down, i think we are an attractive propostion to many managers, good league position, well run, good academy, no debt, history, facilities, fanbase, etc but i also wonder how many managers who are proven or are on a high at the moment would be prepared to come in under our setup, not knocking our setup, the club is more important than any one person but not sure all managers would fancy the setup.
Agree for us to be attractive to a manager we have to offer them an opportunity they haven't already got. So those currently at a club in the mid to lower table premier league mix probably won't come for a bit more money which it is all it would boil down to.
There are 3 obvious candidates in the Championship Hughton, MacKay and Poyet. Unfortunately Birmingham and Cardiff are in the play - offs so one or the other might be in the Premier League with their current clubs, although as you say things look a bit dicey at Blues regardless of which Division they are in so Hughton could be tempted just by the stability we would offer.
Other than those names we might look overseas Micheal Laudrup has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread it is not beyond Ashworth and Peace to make a completely left field appointment another coup like Hodgson could be on the cards. However whoever we appoint will work with the system the club has or they will not be hired it really is that simple.
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Now there is a name we forgot to mention Alan Irvine
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Now there is a name we forgot to mention Alan Irvine
Luckily the majority of us forgot.
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ALAN IRVINE and DEREK MCINNES are at the hawthorns this morning ! interviews already .
I very much doubt that considering Hodgson is still our boss.
Could you please not post rumours like that, please, unless you can back it up.
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Looks like were going to be taking a step backwards Anyone like Irvine or McIness are simply not good enough for WBA anymore. Yes if we were still in the YOYO fase but were not! Were looking to get 4 years in the premier league and push the club forward! If we get one of these managers people are naming i can only see us back on that peice of string we was on 3-4 seasons ago!
Benitez is the only manger who would be a step forward in this situation!
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ALAN IRVINE and DEREK MCINNES are at the hawthorns this morning ! interviews already .
Load of rubbish!!!
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Looks like were going to be taking a step backwards Anyone like Irvine or McIness are simply not good enough for WBA anymore. Yes if we were still in the YOYO fase but were not! Were looking to get 4 years in the premier league and push the club forward! If we get one of these managers people are naming i can only see us back on that peice of string we was on 3-4 seasons ago!
Benitez is the only manger who would be a step forward in this situation!
What makes you think Benitez would come to us when he could practically cherry pick the club he manages?
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Benitez won't come as he wants European football.
As for Irvine behave, he must have took a wrong turning, dingleland is down the road.
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Holloway for me play some nice football and get the entertainment back down the hawthorns.
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Nice football hasnt got us to this point, you can play nice football but you need to be effective at getting the result in this league. Holloway just doesnt do that at this level.
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Malky Makaay - got Cardiff to a league cup final and got Cardiff to 6th place. Not bad after losing 11 players last summer. Him or Hughton for me. Or maybe holloway.
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Holloway or Martinez for me.
I want to see us playing football again.
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Some worrying names quite high up in that list:..
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager
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If we dont get sombody of Benitez is qaulity, or someone who is as good as Roy then i wont be renewing my season ticket because i dont wanna get on that yoyo string again!
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Holloway or Martinez for me.
I want to see us playing football again.
Either of them would do for me for that very reason
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If we dont get sombody of Benitez is qaulity, or someone who is as good as Roy then i wont be renewing my season ticket because i dont wanna get on that yoyo string again!
Cracking support that mate, remember where we have come from over the last 20 years!
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If we dont get sombody of Benitez is qaulity, or someone who is as good as Roy then i wont be renewing my season ticket because i dont wanna get on that yoyo string again!
How do you know if whoever comes in won't be as good as Roy ? all managerial appointments are risky and can go either way.
I hope we're not going to turn into villa and act like idiots if its someone unpopular.
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I would like to see Holloway too
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Cracking support that mate, remember where we have come from!
10 years ive had my season ticket this year, Roy has given us the best season we have ever had and the half a term he did before he was fantastic!
Were not back where we have come from before, i never thought Roy would be a manager and I slated so many people on here who belived he would! He was too big for us, and to be fair he still is!
WBA to England Job is a massive jump.
If we want to move on then we have to bring in a manager who will take us to that next step, 8th in the league, a cup final, Europe??? I just do not see how getting anyone in who is no where near as good as Hodgson would be benifical to the club.
If the club are not willing to make that step and invest in a top qaulity manager, well nethier am I!
Simple!
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10 years ive had my season ticket this year, Roy has given us the best season we have ever had and the half a term he did before he was fantastic!
Were not back where we have come from before, i never thought Roy would be a manager and I slated so many people on here who belived he would! He was too big for us, and to be fair he still is!
WBA to England Job is a massive jump.
If we want to move on then we have to bring in a manager who will take us to that next step, 8th in the league, a cup final, Europe??? I just do not see how getting anyone in who is no where near as good as Hodgson would be benifical to the club.
If the club are not willing to make that step and invest in a top qaulity manager, well nethier am I!
Simple!
How about wait and see what happens and whoever it is back the bloke.
This year will be my 35th and i've seen some absolute dogshite up here but would an unpopular manager appointment stop me ? not a chance.
Two names Bobby Gould and Ron Saunders.
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For me, i think we now an established premiership club, everything off the field appears to be good, i would like a young manager who may be here for the long term, i dont want somebody like a Bruce, Hoddle, Curbishley, who just do the rounds.
I wouldnt mind a Karl Robinson, MK Dons i have seen a few times and they are great to watch and succesful, they play great football and he himself is well connected within football and well respected, he may be unproven but some club will no doubt take a chance on him and i wouldnt mind it being us.
Perhaps a Poyet, Soljskaer, somebody who has the hunger, wants to play good football and improve, if we are going to be around midtable it would be good if we can play entertaining football to go with it!
I think the likes of Benitez, Ranieri, etc are a step to far, they have nothing to prove, they probably couldnt take us to Champs League which is what they would want without massive funds which we havent got and they would also want massive salaries, i think we struck gold with Roy as he has come off a difficult time with Liverpool, his reputation had sank and he knew the England job was coming up when Capello went, so we needed him and he needed us, i am not sure a Benitez or Ranieri need us to be honest.
Forgot to add, maybe Chris Powell?
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How about wait and see what happens and whoever it is back the bloke.
This year will be my 35th and i've seen some absolute dogshite up here but would an unpopular manager appointment stop me ? not a chance.
Two names Bobby Gould and Ron Saunders.
Money is tight, with Roy i belive that we would be safe once more next year and have a good season simlar to this one!
If we dont bring in anyone good, then to be honest I dont wanna risk my money going up most saturdays moaning and coming back disapointed, feeling let down and like ive wasted my money!
If i could afford a season ticket without even having to save then id be up every season but if we get Steve Bruce or Irvine McInnies im not taking that risk!
Good enough reason for ya? I have trust in Roy Hodgson.
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Moneys tight for almost everyone.
How do you know anyone is good ? Big names do not guarantee anything.
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Interesting to see that Paolo Di Canio isn't on the poll list considering the other names that have made it on there! He's had great success with Swindon this season.
Personally I wouldn't want him anywhere near our club, but it would be interesting to see some of your opinions on him.
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No in all honesty I dont think its a good enough reason in my view.
Just look at Everton when they appointed Moyes he wasnt the fans choice but look what hes done.
The main criteria is that the manager will work in our coaching/player procurement set up if they arent prepared to do that I dont care how good they are they can do one.
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Moneys tight for almost everyone.
How do you know anyone is good ? Big names do not guarantee anything.
Too True, but i never expected us to get Roy Hodgson, and belived we would get in a less experianced manager like Hughton...I was proven wrong and had the mick took out of me on here because I fort Hodgson was to big for us.
Which he has turned out to be!
Look what a BIG name did for us...id have more faith in a better more acomplished and experianced manager!
We will see, and i wouldnt get on anyones back if we got someone who I didnt want.
To be honest i just dont wanna be let down...
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I've ticked Hughton and Martinez either would be fine although will support anyone the club decides to appoint
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/chrisbevan/2012/04/ranieri_relishes_return_to_eng.html
This interview is from the 2nd April, Ranieri states that he would relish a return to England, believes it is the only place for him to go now. He states "It is my life to be a coach," he explained. "And of course I would like to come back as soon as possible, but now it is important to take the right job. I would like the right project, a good project."
There are many ways you can perceive what he means by a 'right' and 'good' project. For all I know I could be taking it out of context and all it means is that he wants to go to a top 6 club and splash the cash. However, I think we have a strong case in showing that we really are growing as a club and the 'project' that the Albion are currently working on would appeal to the majority of ambitious managers.
I personally wouldn't class Ranieri as 'too big' for the Albion, you don't buy a ticket you don't win the raffle. I think we are a very attractive prospect and Ranieri could be swayed into buying in to what the club wants to achieve.
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Too True, but i never expected us to get Roy Hodgson, and belived we would get in a less experianced manager like Hughton...I was proven wrong and had the mick took out of me on here because I fort Hodgson was to big for us.
Which he has turned out to be!
Look what a BIG name did for us...id have more faith in a better more acomplished and experianced manager!
We will see, and i wouldnt get on anyones back if we got someone who I didnt want.
To be honest i just dont wanna be let down...
No one wants to be let down, the only reason we got Hodgson in my opinion was due to his poor showing at Liverpool. No one else was willing to take the gamble on him.
That said, Hodgson was not the sole reason behind our success of the last season and a half, look at the squad we now have. We have good depth and this is definately the best team in many of our lifetimes, as has been stated we went through some right sh*te to get where we are now and I can't see Ashworth or JP throwing that away by appointing the wrong manager.
The work Hodgson has done has set us up as a mid-table club which is a decent prospect for many managers looking to get into the PL and with the players currently in our side any manager worth his salt should be able to comfortably keep us up.
Have a bit of faith.
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I would love to see Martínez as the next man in, but sadly I think he will go to a bigger club.
I would otherwise like to see phil Brown given another crack in the prem with us, or Paul jewell. I think either of them could take us to the next level.
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I would love to see Martínez as the next man in, but sadly I think he will go to a bigger club.
I would otherwise like to see phil Brown given another crack in the prem with us, or Paul jewell. I think either of them could take us to the next level.
They'll take us to the next level allright, straight back to the Championship
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No one wants to be let down, the only reason we got Hodgson in my opinion was due to his poor showing at Liverpool. No one else was willing to take the gamble on him.
That said, Hodgson was not the sole reason behind our success of the last season and a half, look at the squad we now have. We have good depth and this is definately the best team in many of our lifetimes, as has been stated we went through some right sh*te to get where we are now and I can't see Ashworth or JP throwing that away by appointing the wrong manager.
The work Hodgson has done has set us up as a mid-table club which is a decent prospect for many managers looking to get into the PL and with the players currently in our side any manager worth his salt should be able to comfortably keep us up.
Have a bit of faith.
This was what started it all, we are no longer looking to a manager to comfortably keep us up, we looking for a manager who can take us to the next step, 9th 8th 7th, cup final, european football!
If we do get these names that people are mentioning like Phill Brown and Paul Jewell then to be quiet frank you can understand why I am slightly concered about getting back on that Yoyo String!
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I would love to see Martínez as the next man in, but sadly I think he will go to a bigger club.
I would otherwise like to see phil Brown given another crack in the prem with us, or Paul jewell. I think either of them could take us to the next level.
Looking at your first two posts its clear to see you are on the wind up.
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Either of them would do for me for that very reason
Either one of Holloway or Martinez would see a return to yo yo-ness
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Actually no. Ive been a Baggies fan probably longer than you have been alive. Always followed the forums, makes interesting reading. I would say the people mentioning the names of Benítez, Laudrup etc are on the wind up. Im just realistic.
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Why is the majority of the vote for Chris Hughton,decent championship manager but dont think hes much as a Premiership one.Personally dont think its an improvement on Roy if we go along with him.
I would love the club to branch out,maybe try a European coach who's familiar working with the set up we have.Not to many names about who I would like,would love Roberto Martinez or Rafa Benitez but some how dont think we could afford them.
My vote was for Michael Laudrup,did well with Getafe and Mallorca in Spain.Good player and plays good attractive football.Plus surely would be able to entice some good young European players.
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How about wait and see what happens and whoever it is back the bloke.
This year will be my 35th and i've seen some absolute dogshite up here but would an unpopular manager appointment stop me ? not a chance.
Two names Bobby Gould and Ron Saunders.
And one of those won the league and european cup
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And one of those won the league and european cup
He didn't win the European Cup
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10 years ive had my season ticket this year, Roy has given us the best season we have ever had and the half a term he did before he was fantastic!
Were not back where we have come from before, i never thought Roy would be a manager and I slated so many people on here who belived he would! He was too big for us, and to be fair he still is!
WBA to England Job is a massive jump.
If we want to move on then we have to bring in a manager who will take us to that next step, 8th in the league, a cup final, Europe??? I just do not see how getting anyone in who is no where near as good as Hodgson would be benifical to the club.
If the club are not willing to make that step and invest in a top qaulity manager, well nethier am I!
Simple!
10 years? In that case you've been spoilt.
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10 years? In that case you've been spoilt.
Indeed, but hence im only 22...that has been my lifetime!
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I would love to see Martínez as the next man in, but sadly I think he will go to a bigger club.
I would otherwise like to see phil Brown given another crack in the prem with us, or Paul jewell. I think either of them could take us to the next level.
Nearly spat my drink out then.
Surely these should be in the definitely not thread?
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Nearly spat my drink out then.
Surely these should be in the definitely not thread?
Wolves fan possibly :D
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How about Paulo Di Canio? he must be worth a shout.
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Indeed, but hence im only 22...that has been my lifetime!
But you have still been spoilt, hence why older fans will laugh at your stance.
I'd go for the following five in order of preference.....
1. Chris Hughton.
2. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
3. Steve McClaren
4. Gus Poyet
5. Malky Mackay
All would fit into our system and have good club records.
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No need to be insulting now :)
No, seriously, look at what jewell did with wigan on the smallest budget in the prem. Martínez is doing the same and alot are wanting him as manager. Why? Because hes spanish? Maybe if jewell was called jewelliniho you would be more willing. Same with Brown, these guys did amazing at small clubs, with a bit more money and our backing you never know. Worth the risk I think.
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Well Hodgson has been our first manager with PL experience and we have broken almost all our records in the league.
If the board have ANY sense they will realise this and stick to managers of the same ilk.
We have had the Robsons, Mowbrays, and RDM's who have all been (at the time) decent prospects as managers, much like Clark, Robinson, Di Caneo etc...
Simply cannot beat experience.
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Well Hodgson has been our first manager with PL experience and we have broken almost all our records in the league.
If the board have ANY sense they will realise this and stick to managers of the same ilk.
We have had the Robsons, Mowbrays, and RDM's who have all been (at the time) decent prospects as managers, much like Clark, Robinson, Di Caneo etc...
Simply cannot beat experience.
Robson had quite a few years in charge of Middlesbrough in the top flight, yet it didn't matter when at ours.
I really don't know who I want to replace Roy. Its a bit of a difficult act to follow, while getting it wrong would have dire consequences for the club.
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No need to be insulting now :)
No, seriously, look at what jewell did with wigan on the smallest budget in the prem. Martínez is doing the same and alot are wanting him as manager. Why? Because hes spanish? Maybe if jewell was called jewelliniho you would be more willing. Same with Brown, these guys did amazing at small clubs, with a bit more money and our backing you never know. Worth the risk I think.
Look what Jewell did at Derby......
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How about Paulo Di Canio? he must be worth a shout.
Why on earth would we want him.
Constantly in the media for the wrong reasons, arguing with players, NO top flight experience.
He has done less than RDM had done when he was appointed.
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You could have reservations about all of the names on that list tbh. They all give me worries of one kind or another. Either too set in their ways, not playing the type of football most of us want to see, no experience, too much experience, etc etc etc.
We'll just have to wait and see what happens, either way, none of us has any sway over what happens and who we appoint so we just have to get behing whoever it is that comes in and see where it takes us.
Its a crying shame that just as we seem on the up, something happens to dash our hopes just like in 1979 for those who remember that far back. On the cusp of a real great team and then it all broke up and we know what happened after....... :'( :'(
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It's important to note that any manager who is to come in, is going to have to be able to work within the structure of the club. This will rule out a lot of candidates - those who won't work under a strict budget will not come, simply put.
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Well Hodgson has been our first manager with PL experience and we have broken almost all our records in the league.
If the board have ANY sense they will realise this and stick to managers of the same ilk.
We have had the Robsons, Mowbrays, and RDM's who have all been (at the time) decent prospects as managers, much like Clark, Robinson, Di Caneo etc...
Simply cannot beat experience.
I agree to an extent, but that then leaves only a handful of feasible candidates. Them being the dinosaurs: Curbishley, Allardyce, Bruce et al.
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How about Paulo Di Canio? he must be worth a shout.
We don't do racism at this club.
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I agree with Greenock pros and cons with everybody, but whoever comes in we have to back, I can see some jumped up cockerknee, just dying to have a pop at Roy before a ball has been kicked. Lets not act like jumped up Cocks.
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Look what Jewell did at Derby......
You could say that about alot of managers. Look what mcclaren did at forest and england, look what Keane did at ipswich. Doesnt make them bad managers.
You could even say before roys appointment - look what roy did at liverpool,inter, finland. Some people are not Right for certain jobs. Jewell could be perfect for us.
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My five in order would be
1. Chris Hughton
2. Roberto Martinez
3. Alan Curbishley
4. Sam Alladyce
5. Steve McLaren
That's why I dont work for any boards lol
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Start voting for Michael Laudrup!!!!
Plays exciting football and has experience of working with a techincal director.
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Slaven Bilic of Croatia, no one has mentioned him think he would be great.
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Where you had that from?
went to get a ticket today for my young one and thay where both there on the car park walking into the hawthorns clear as day
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I think Di Canio and Peace would get on like a house on fire.
Wait...hang on........I think Di Canio would end up setting Peace's house on fire.
I loved Solskjaer as a player, so with a bit of heart ruling head type tought, I'd probably go for him as first choice.
Curbishley seems to be getting a lot of mentions on the NOT board, but I think that just like Hodgson is a safe bet for England, Curbishley would be a safe bet for us. Plus he sadi no to the Dingles........TWICE.
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I very much doubt that considering Hodgson is still our boss.
Could you please not post rumours like that, please, unless you can back it up.
i saw the pair of them with my own eyes today just before 10 so i can back it up an wouldnt post on here if didnt see them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not a rumour its a fact !!!!!! thay are at the hawthorns this morning
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went to get a ticket today for my young one and thay where both there on the car park walking into the hawthorns clear as day
Why does that mean they have been interviewed then? Doubt they would go together and its strange as all the interviewing and player recruitment is done from the training ground offices.
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who are?
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Load of rubbish!!!
load of rubbish is it so why are thay up there today then !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Whoever you are talking about, there are a load of tv vans in the east stand so it would be plastered over sky sports news now.
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Awful banter from smosher34
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Why does that mean they have been interviewed then? Doubt they would go together and its strange as all the interviewing and player recruitment is done from the training ground offices.
so why are thay up there then ? well thay are there this morning so make your own minds up
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its not banter its a fact ! believe what you like backed it up and ask anyone who works there they will agree with what i have said .
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My top five choices:
1: Roberto Martinez
2: Brendan Rodgers
3: Slaven Bilic
4: Roberto Di Matteo (unfinished business)
5: Paul Lambert
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Whoever you are talking about, there are a load of tv vans in the east stand so it would be plastered over sky sports news now.
perhaps i should get a job on sky sports then ay :P derek was in a big gold merc on his own and irvine had 2 others with him didnt no who thay was
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Doubt we'd start interviewing when techincally we still have a manager.
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Haven't read all the posts but Paulo Di Canio would be a brave but very amusing choice!!
I'm joking really but we really don't want anyone like Bruce and Brown or in my opinion Mcinnes or Appleton...
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Doubt we'd start interviewing when techincally we still have a manager.
and Roy hasn't taken the England job yet
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well they are there so make your own minds up !
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My 5 would be:
Slaven Bilic
Michael Laudrup
Chris Hughton
Derek McInnes
Uwe Rosler
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well thay are there so make your own minds up !
I was told Terry Vennables is at the training ground :o
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My mates brothers neighbours cousin has just seen Ray Graydon at the club shop picking up some half price home shirts. While he was there he popped in for an interview and apparently he is in pole position.
Don't doubt my mates brothers neighbours cousin he saw it with his own eyes!!! ;D
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I'll be over the moon if we get Curbishley. Fantastic manager who has always got teams to over achieve and also encourages more attractive football than Hodgson. We need to replace Roy with somebody who has been there and done it before. Nobody else available who I can think of is more suited to this criteria than Curbishley.
My second choice would be Brendan Rodgers. Done fantastic with Swansea and plays attractive football.
A close third choice for me would be Paul Lambert. Again, has done wonders with an average squad and small budget.
We need to avoid the likes of McInnes, Poyet, Appleton, Di Cannio. They'll have their chance eventually but we need stability and experience, that's why Curbishley is the man.
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I thought people were laughing when Steve McLaren was heavily linked with the Villa job, no thanks.
Still Hughton or Martinez for me if he does leave Wigan.
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Martinez has taken a side with a higher combined salary than ours to the brink of relegation each season he's been in charge. Why on earth would we want that?
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In all honesty were talking about experience at this level and I think realistically the only man that ticks those boxes and is available is Bruce. I think it's pretty likely we could see him in the hot seat. It wouldnt be a popular appointment but it wouldnt be a disaster. I think he had some torrid luck at both Blues and Sunderland with injuries and he didnt do a bad job with Wigan. Personally wouldnt be my choice but he's a much better candidate than half the names been banded about
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If Bruce got it >:(
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I'll be over the moon if we get Curbishley. Fantastic manager who has always got teams to over achieve and also encourages more attractive football than Hodgson. We need to replace Roy with somebody who has been there and done it before.
I disagree, Curbishley's brand of football is every bit as functional, and some may say stifling, as Hodgson's style if not more so.
I also doubt he would be interested in working in our structure, he would view it as a constraint to his management style. I would be seriously disappointed of we were to go for him.
I have complete faith in the club getting it right, the last few appointments have been spot on.
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i saw the pair of them with my own eyes today just before 10 so i can back it up an wouldnt post on here if didnt see them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not a rumour its a fact !!!!!! thay are at the hawthorns this morning
They don't even interview at the Hawthorns mate! The club is run from the training ground these days.
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If Bruce got it >:(
I'd rather Bruce over Kiley, Appleton, Mowbray and half the other names been banded about by the bookies
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Not Bruce. No. Nononono.
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I disagree, Curbishley's brand of football is every bit as functional, and some may say stifling, as Hodgson's style if not more so.
I also doubt he would be interested in working in our structure, he would view it as a constraint to his management style. I would be seriously disappointed of we were to go for him.
I have complete faith in the club getting it right, the last few appointments have been spot on.
He won't have a choice in what structure he works in as all clubs are going the same way especially with the financial fair play restrictions being introduced. I would have agreed with your point a few years ago but those days are gone now.
I wasn't saying Curbishley's brand of football was on par with Brazil or a Mowbray team, but he does employ a slightly more attacking brand than Hodgson in my opinion, not that I have a problem with Hodgson style, at the end of the day we can play like Stoke every week and be bored to tears, as long as we win, that's all I care about. We can start thinking about expansive attractive football when we can sign the players to do so and still survive year after year.
Answer me this mate (not having a go, everyone has got different ideas on who's the best man for the job):
What part of Curbishleys managerial record suggests to you that he couldn't come to the Hawthorns and carry on consolidating our Prem status?
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They don't even interview at the Hawthorns mate! The club is run from the training ground these days.
and I would imagine that any interviews would take place even away from there, possibly at our offices in London or a local hotel.
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Any news/latest on who's the favourite. Personally I'd like Hughton or Martinez, but can't see either happening. Worrying times!
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As for people suggesting Steve Bruce, he may be a bit of a potato headed twonk but he's a good manager with lots of experience. Wouldn't be my first choice but I wouldn't be too disappointed either. Rather him than some others mentioned with no prem experience whatsoever.
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Theres a guy on Twitter called Fourth Official he has just said Curblishey is a top target for us. He is normally right most of the times. Curblishey would be a decent appointment but would he fit in with the current structure.
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Theres a guy on Twitter called Fourth Official he has just said Curblishey is a top target for us. He is normally right most of the times. Curblishey would be a decent appointment but would he fit in with the current structure.
It would make sense. Like for like replacement, no compensation payable, lots of experience succeeding on a shoe string budget. I prefer Curbishley to Hodgson anyway.
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Chris Hughton is the favourite at the bookies still. I think he's the best choice as well considering the other candidates mentioned. I think it will be between these three:
Chris Hughton
Lee Clark
Alan Curbishley
Steve Bruce - Just no.
Roberto Martinez, Paul Lambert, Brendan Rodgers, Martin Jol - Wouldn’t move or we wouldn’t pay compensation
Michael Appleton, Derek McInnes, Gus Poyet - Too inexperienced
Outside bets
Rafa Benitez - Probably wouldn't look twice at us.
Ole Solsjkaer - Dark horse. I feel he is too inexperienced besides Molde are in the 2nd qualifying round for the Champions League so he will probably stop there for another year.
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Hughton wouldn't be a bad shout, not my personal preference but another manager I wouldn't get a impending sense of doom about.
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Hughton's odds have gone out to 7/2 and Curbishley's have shortened to 3/1 so he is the new favourite.
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Answer me this mate (not having a go, everyone has got different ideas on who's the best man for the job):
What part of Curbishleys managerial record suggests to you that he couldn't come to the Hawthorns and carry on consolidating our Prem status?
Absolutley nothing. He did a remarkable job at Charlton and was unfortunate at West Ham, I'm in agreement in that he would take off from where Hodgson left. However, as you have stated you are solely focused on results, whereas as I want a decent brand of football, not at the expense off results and I'm not a Barca/Mowbray (style over result type)'purist' but I believe in balance and playing decent football. In that respect I believe Hughton to be an ideal candidate.
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Hughton's odds have gone out to 7/2 and Curbishley's have shortened to 3/1 so he is the new favourite.
were can you find the odds mate
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odds:
http://www.betting-directory.com/football/next-west-brom-manager-odds.php
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Absolutley nothing. He did a remarkable job at Charlton and was unfortunate at West Ham, I'm in agreement in that he would take off from where Hodgson left. However, as you have stated you are solely focused on results, whereas as I want a decent brand of football, not at the expense off results and I'm not a Barca/Mowbray style over result type 'purist' but I believe in balance and playing decent football. In that respect I believe Hughton to be an ideal candidate.
Hughton is a good shout and does play a decent brand of football. Don't get me wrong, I want to be entertained as much as anybody but I'm happy to wait a few years for us to get financially stronger by staying in this league while others around us struggle. There are a few managers out there that will do a good job if they come, for me Curbishley is the lowest risk and like for like replacement. I do get where your coming from though and as you say, Hughton is proving to be a good manager.
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been directly onto bet365 website and odds changed considerably since this morning. curbs now into 3/1 from 11/1
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Curbishley did excellent in similar conditions at Charlton, who were relegated when he left.
In the same season he left for West Ham and kept them up which was nothing short of a miracle, only to be harshly sacked later - even though he was in safety at the time.
With that in mind - he's a good manager. My only querry would be whether he'd be too stale after a few years out which is a possibility.
I think Zola wouldn't be a bad shout either. Got West Ham 9th one year then 17th and narrowly scraped survival...then Grant took over and they finished rock bottom - which says a lot about Zola's quality. He seems a bit like RDM which isn't a bad thing either!
As for Bruce, I think he has been harshly treated!
He did fairly well at his time with the Blues, nothing extraordinary and did get relegated, but he was the one to take them up. People forget about his time at Wigan too, which was quality - and at one time, just before the Sunderland job he was considered very highly.
He finished with Wigan 14th and 9th...9th with Wigan! Yes - the budget was higher back then but it was nothing too large, and since they've struggled every year.
At Sunderland he left in dismay, but that was after a few ok seasons. For everyone moaning about the money he spent, don't forget he sold Bent and Henderson for a combined £50 million. That is where he found the money to spend, on players such as McLean for £300k.
In short, Bruce is drastically under-rated. I wouldn't want him as a first choice replacement, or even a third - but he isn't half as bad as many make out.
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Appointing Curbishley would be as exciting as a night out in Bearwood.
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I personally can't understand the clamour for Roberto Martinez. I think people's opinions are being clouded by a recent run of good results and an admirable footballing philosophy. He has been at Wigan for 3 / 4 seasons now and has generally underachieved IMO. Furthermore, Wigan are arguably a more established PL club so why would he leave them to join us?
We don't have a chance of being able to cherry pick the likes of Lambert or Rodgers so we are either looking at up and coming managers from outside the PL (Karl Robinson, Poyet etc), foreign managers, or former PL managers currently out of work (Curbishley, Bruce…)
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Why Curbishley???? He aint worked for 3 years!!!! ???
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Because he'll be cheap!
That will be our main criteria as always.
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Theres a guy on Twitter called Fourth Official he has just said Curblishey is a top target for us. He is normally right most of the times. Curblishey would be a decent appointment but would he fit in with the current structure.
Just had a look and they didn't say Curbishley is 'a' top target. They said Curbishley is 'the' top target.
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Why Curbishley???? He aint worked for 3 years!!!! ???
Does that mean he's forgotton everything he's learned in his years of management...?
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I just cant see Curbishley allowing someone else to identify transfer targets.
You also have to seriously doubt his passion for the game now.
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We don't do racism at this club.
Exactly don't want that fascist a-hole (DiCanio) anywhere near our club...
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I would love to see Martínez as the next man in, but sadly I think he will go to a bigger club.
I would otherwise like to see phil Brown given another crack in the prem with us, or Paul jewell. I think either of them could take us to the next level.
You are freaking joking me right, surely thats a wind up? ???
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Neil Lennon anyone? ;)
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Phil Brown and Steve Bruce :o
Is it happy hour down the pubs already?
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Neil Lennon anyone? ;)
No, he's got more issues than Delia Smiths got recipes!
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I just cant see Curbishley allowing someone else to identify transfer targets.
You also have to seriously doubt his passion for the game now.
I don't buy into that. Curbishley will have input into signings just the same way that Roy had and regarding his passion for the game, he has never really put a foot wrong in his managerial career so far, I've got no reason to think he'll start now. I don't think he would put himself in for a job if he wasn't looking to do a good job. Otherwise, he'd have just took the Wolves job, surely?
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Curbishley to me is just another one of the dinosaurs. We've seen what he can do and that isn't particularily impressive. He belongs to days gone by and should stay there. Just like O'Neill at Villa Curbishley left Charlton when the ship began to leak, and his work at West Ham wasn't impressive imo. There is a reason he hasn't got a new job for years.
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I am surprised not to see Malky Mackay’s name mentioned more than it is. He is only 40, and has got Cardiff playing some decent football, there squad apart from one or two players isn’t great so he has done a great job getting them into the playoff’s. He is my number one choice. Nice guy, but can be very tough when needed.
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I am surprised not to see Malky Mackay’s name mentioned more than it is. He is only 40, and has got Cardiff playing some decent football, there squad apart from one or two players isn’t great so he has done a great job getting them into the playoff’s. He is my number one choice. Nice guy, but can be very tough when needed.
Seems he has a bit of talent yes. Wouldn't surprise me if we have him on the shortlist.
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Curbishley to me is just another one of the dinosaurs. We've seen what he can do and that isn't particularily impressive. He belongs to days gone by and should stay there. Just like O'Neill at Villa Curbishley left Charlton when the ship began to leak, and his work at West Ham wasn't impressive imo. There is a reason he hasn't got a new job for years.
With that logic, Hodgson (much more of a "dinosaur") was a bad appointment and should have never been employed. Complete nonsense, our current dinosaur has delivered our two best premier league finishes in history.
Curbishley left Charlton in good shape, after he left they get relegated 2 out of the next 3 seasons. If you weren't impressed with the miracle he worked at West Ham keeping them up, then nothing will impress you.
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With that logic, Hodgson (much more of a "dinosaur") was a bad appointment and should have never been employed. Complete nonsense, our current dinosaur has delivered our two best premier league finishes in history.
Curbishley left Charlton in good shape, after he left they get relegated 2 out of the next 3 seasons. If you weren't impressed with the miracle he worked at West Ham keeping them up, then nothing will impress you.
Hodgson was Manager of the Year recently. Curbishley wasn't. Curbishley is a dinosaur because he isn't that impressive. Hodgson is a dinosaur because he plays negative football that hasn't changed for ages and ages and ages but he has managed to find a niche and thrive there. Curbishley has been out of work for ages, and that is for a reason.
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Seems he has a bit of talent yes. Wouldn't surprise me if we have him on the shortlist.
Nor me, cheapo option
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Neil Lennon anyone? ;)
It's took him nearly two years to win the SPL with argubably the better team out the old firm. Rangers have been in decline for a while and have still won four on the trot up until this season. They were also aided by HMRC this year due to Rangers having the ten point deduction which effectively won it for them.
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Hodgson was Manager of the Year recently. Curbishley wasn't. Curbishley is a dinosaur because he isn't that impressive. Hodgson is a dinosaur because he plays negative football that hasn't changed for ages and ages and ages but he has managed to find a niche and thrive there. Curbishley has been out of work for ages, and that is for a reason.
To be fair I think much of the reason for him being out of work was the case with West Ham.
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my mate said paul lambert, but there is no way thats going to happen
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To be fair I think much of the reason for him being out of work was the case with West Ham.
That was concluded in November 2009 I believe, I might be wrong though.
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Hodgson was Manager of the Year recently. Curbishley wasn't. Curbishley is a dinosaur because he isn't that impressive. Hodgson is a dinosaur because he plays negative football that hasn't changed for ages and ages and ages but he has managed to find a niche and thrive there. Curbishley has been out of work for ages, and that is for a reason.
Yeah, there were legal reasons preventing him taking another job. Saying Curbishley isn't impressive is simply unrealistic. His record speaks for itself. If you choose to overlook the facts in favour of specualtion and conjecture then that's up to you. Fact is though, Curbishley kept a team of similar stature to ourselves in the Premier League, almost getting a spot in the Champions League one year when they finished 7th.
You don't stay at a club for over 700 games without being a damn good manager. Not many last that long in this generation of football. That should tell you everything about his ability to manage a Premier League team.
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That was concluded in November 2009 I believe, I might be wrong though.
Just checked, yeah November 2009 he won £2.2m
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my mate said paul lambert, but there is no way thats going to happen
He wont leave Norwich for little ole Albion
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It's took him nearly two years to win the SPL with argubably the better team out the old firm. Rangers have been in decline for a while and have still won four on the trot up until this season. They were also aided by HMRC this year due to Rangers having the ten point deduction which effectively won it for them.
If I remember right, Celtic were already ahead of Rangers before this deduction, after Rangers blew a 15 point lead? Celtic went on to win like 15 games in a row I think.
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Nor me, cheapo option
I don't care if our new manager is cheap, as long as he is good.
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Yeah, there were legal reasons preventing him taking another job. Saying Curbishley isn't impressive is simply unrealistic. His record speaks for itself. If you choose to overlook the facts in favour of specualtion and conjecture then that's up to you. Fact is though, Curbishley kept a team of similar stature to ourselves in the Premier League, almost getting a spot in the Champions League one year when they finished 7th.
You don't stay at a club for over 700 games without being a damn good manager. Not many last that long in this generation of football. That should tell you everything about his ability to manage a Premier League team.
Dario Gradi ;D
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A 3 year break from football can be a positive thing as much as a negative thing, so I wouldn't buy into the significance that a hiatus like that would have on Curbishley's ability to do the job. This wouldn't be like Dalglish coming back after years, the Premier League has actually got easier if anything during the 3 years he was absent.
Dario Gradi ;D
The exception proves the rule. I meant Premier League team anyway :D
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Brian Horton just left Macclesfield.His mate Phil Brown needs a job too
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Yeah, there were legal reasons preventing him taking another job. Saying Curbishley isn't impressive is simply unrealistic. His record speaks for itself. If you choose to overlook the facts in favour of specualtion and conjecture then that's up to you. Fact is though, Curbishley kept a team of similar stature to ourselves in the Premier League, almost getting a spot in the Champions League one year when they finished 7th.
You don't stay at a club for over 700 games without being a damn good manager. Not many last that long in this generation of football. That should tell you everything about his ability to manage a Premier League team.
Yes he was impressive with Charlton for a very long time, but then towards the end I think he burnt out. To me he belongs to the ex-managers now.
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If I remember right, Celtic were already ahead of Rangers before this deduction, after Rangers blew a 15 point lead? Celtic went on to win like 15 games in a row I think.
They did, but that's expected to be honest as they have without doubt the best side in Scotland. What about the opening three months of the season where Celtic flopped, as they have done throughout the majority of Lennon's reign. As far as I'm aware, they have also lost three finals under his stewardship. The second Rangers went into admin was when Lennon & Celtic won the league. Certainly not a great achievement, beating a side who were in turmoil from top to bottom.
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Yes he was impressive with Charlton for a very long time, but then towards the end I think he burnt out. To me he belongs to the ex-managers now.
Based on the fact his last stint as manager of West Ham consisted of winning 7 games out of 9 to keep them up when they looked doomed, then taking them to a top 10 finish the following season. Then winning 2 out of the opening 3 games of the next season before getting wrongfully dismissed (proven in court).
Please explain, what part of this is unimpressive and suggests he was finished towards the end of his marathon stint at Charlton?
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This was what started it all, we are no longer looking to a manager to comfortably keep us up, we looking for a manager who can take us to the next step, 9th 8th 7th, cup final, european football!
If we do get these names that people are mentioning like Phill Brown and Paul Jewell then to be quiet frank you can understand why I am slightly concered about getting back on that Yoyo String!
We are not at the stage yet where we can push on and get European football, look how clubs like Everton and Liverpool have struggled over the last few seasons to manage this, the latter spending over £100m in the process. We need someone who is going to continue our slow but steady process, its taken us a decade to finally be able to say that we are established in the PL, so expecting European football and trophies after two seasons is probably a bit much.
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Based on the fact his last stint as manager of West Ham consisted of winning 7 games out of 9 to keep them up when they looked doomed, then taking them to a top 10 finish the following season. Then winning 2 out of the opening 3 games of the next season before getting wrongfully dismissed (proven in court).
Please explain, what part of this is unimpressive and suggests he was finished towards the end of his marathon stint at Charlton?
You cant argue with that record can you Vanderlei, I would be just a wee bit concerned about his time away from football cited as one of King Kennys downfalls and we all know what most WBA fans think of him !
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You cant argue with that record can you Vanderlei, I would be just a wee bit concerned about his time away from football cited as one of King Kennys downfalls and we all know what most WBA fans think of him !
Yeah, of course it could be an issue, but on the other hand, the break could have revitalised him and be positive. I doubt he would take a job if his heart wasn't in it. It's not like he needs the money.
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Yeah, of course it could be an issue, but on the other hand, the break could have revitalised him and be positive. I doubt he would take a job if his heart wasn't in it. It's not like he needs the money.
Thats true, but the only example we have to go by is Dogleish and he has negative comments due to the way he still thinks he can deal with the press like he did 3 years ago.
We can but hope that Curbs would be different but we have no proof, only Dogleish to go by.
Either way, as I said earlier, we'll just have to wait and see !
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Slaven Bilic would be a good shout I think although he lacks Premiership managment experience ..not sure he'd leave Croatia.
I wouldn't mind Martin Jol but again not sure he'd entertain coming here to manage.
I'd like us to go for a manager with Premiership experience. Someone who can keep up the good work Roy has already done but make us more attractive to watch.
Definitlely wouldn't want Phil Brown, Ian Holloway or Neil McInnes. McInnes is too inexperienced and Brown and Holloway are jokes and would take us backwards.
At the end of the day I'd rather have Roy!
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Neil McInnes is a comedian, surely you mean Derek McInnes..................Oh wait, I see where youre coming from :D ;D
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Based on the fact his last stint as manager of West Ham consisted of winning 7 games out of 9 to keep them up when they looked doomed, then taking them to a top 10 finish the following season. Then winning 2 out of the opening 3 games of the next season before getting wrongfully dismissed (proven in court).
Please explain, what part of this is unimpressive and suggests he was finished towards the end of his marathon stint at Charlton?
Curbishley had a win percentage of 40 % with West Ham and less than that with Charlton. At least he is better than Bruce. Also the reason resigned from his job at West Ham was that he didn't have the control over transfers he wanted. He then sued West Ham.
"On 3 November 2009, Curbishley won his case for constructive dismissal against West Ham United. After the ruling, he said: "I am obviously delighted with this result. I very much enjoyed my time at West Ham and never wanted to leave, but on joining the club I insisted that my contract contained a clause confirming that I would have final say on the selection of players to be transferred to and from the club."[22]
Doesn't seem like a man comfortable working in our system.
Im no expert on West Ham and what went wrong there, I am simply going by my gut feel and Curbishley has never really made an impression on me as an interesting manager. I could be wrong of course, has happened before.
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Curbishley 11/10 on SkyBet.
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They don't even interview at the Hawthorns mate! The club is run from the training ground these days.
so you tell me what thay where doing up there today then ! seeing as you know
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Wrong there mate, Hodgson has final say on who we signed. He just doesnt have to come up with the list of who we choose from, thats what Ashworth does, but Roy always has the say-so of who we sign. We never signed anyone without his final OK while he was here.
No manager would do that, but its Ashworth who compiles the list of available players, then the manager says who he wants off that list.
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Curbishley had a win percentage of 40 % with West Ham and less than that with Charlton. At least he is better than Bruce. Also the reason resigned from his job at West Ham was that he didn't have the control over transfers he wanted. He then sued West Ham.
"On 3 November 2009, Curbishley won his case for constructive dismissal against West Ham United. After the ruling, he said: "I am obviously delighted with this result. I very much enjoyed my time at West Ham and never wanted to leave, but on joining the club I insisted that my contract contained a clause confirming that I would have final say on the selection of players to be transferred to and from the club."[22]
Doesn't seem like a man comfortable working in our system.
Im no expert on West Ham and what went wrong there, I am simply going by my gut feel and Curbishley has never really made an impression on me as an interesting manager. I could be wrong of course, has happened before.
You talk about 40% win percentage as a negative. Roy has 38.46% win percentage with us and he is our most successful manager in recent history. Again, I'm not really sure what you are expecting to get from a manager.
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Not Bruce. No. Nononono.
certainly not for me /how many times has he upped sticks and walked leaving clubs in the lurch >:(
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Chris Hughton can work on the budget that JP likes to work with as for spotting good solid talent on which to get the best out of for that we would have to wait & see
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It wasn't a negative it was just a fact. Curbishley may be a safe pair of hands, but I am just scared witless we will end up with another Hodgson type.
I did not enjoy many games this season, and, unlike many here, I do not think you have to be bored out of your mind to ensure safety. We were well safe last year, in a tougher league, playing entertaining football. so that logic is clearly inaccurate.
I'd like to get someone intelligent in who can bring some forward thinking into the game and play good, positive creative football. And that includes being solid defensively. ::) We now, for the first time in decades, have a PL worthy squad, and it would take a seriously incompetent manager to drop us down again imo, especially if we strengthen this summer.
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Hughton fits the bill for me and he will be fed up with the transfer embargo at Blues. So him.
Curbishley i fell always likes London and we would always be looking over our shoulders when a job became available there.
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so you tell me what thay where doing up there today then ! seeing as you know
It could be for anything, but I can tell you as a fact that the an interview would/will not take place at the Hawthorns.
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so you tell me what thay where doing up there today then ! seeing as you know
They were at an LMA managers meeting at the hawthorns.
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Wrong there mate, Hodgson has final say on who we signed. He just doesnt have to come up with the list of who we choose from, thats what Ashworth does, but Roy always has the say-so of who we sign. We never signed anyone without his final OK while he was here.
No manager would do that, but its Ashworth who compiles the list of available players, then the manager says who he wants off that list.
It was the same with RdM I believe, it makes sense to include the Head Coach in such decisions.
But believe it was a different situation with Roy. We just promised Roy whatever he wanted so he would sign for us. Not sure we will be that open with just anyone.
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It has to be Chris Hughton for me, with the mess at Blues I think he's nailed on to be our new manager unless they go up.
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They were at an LMA managers meeting at the hawthorns.
yes i know just asked CL so all them who said back it up go on twitter and you will see thay where there today ! thank you
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I voted for Brendan Rodgers. But I think a foreign manager from France, or Spain might be hired
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yes i know just asked CL so all them who said back it up go on twitter and you will see thay where there today ! thank you
To be fair, you were right in saying they were there ;D
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yes i know just asked CL so all them who said back it up go on twitter and you will see thay where there today ! thank you
But not for the interviews as you originally said
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yes i know just asked CL so all them who said back it up go on twitter and you will see thay where there today ! thank you
You said they were there for an interview though :-\ lol
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Anyone who thinks we can get Bredon Rogers or Paul Lambert or even Martinez for that matter needs to think why they would leave their current clubs for ours, also JP aint going to pay compo is he.Its most likely going to be someon out of work like Bruce etc
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ok thay not there for interveiws ! should have put a question mark then ;) still there !
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ok thay not there for interveiws ! should have put a question mark then ;) still there !
Irvine could be sounded out though whilst there, the cheap option
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How did Curbishley leave his former clubs. It's just since he left Charlton they went into financial oblivion and the same as West Ham. Just wondering whether he had anything to do with that might be something to consider. Mind with JP in charge i doubt that will be a problem
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How did Curbishley leave his former clubs. It's just since he left Charlton they went into financial oblivion and the same as West Ham. Just wondering whether he had anything to do with that might be something to consider. Mind with JP in charge i doubt that will be a problem
Just saw on AC's wikipedia page he brought in Scott Parker (£7 million), Craig Bellamy (£7.5 million), Kieron Dyer (£6 million !!!), Julien Faubert (£6 .1 million) among others. :o Then Curbishley wasn't happy when West Ham sold Anton Ferdinand (who is rubbish) and George McCartney and sued the club and won £2.2 million in damages.
Looking at those figures it must have made a dent in West Ham's finances.
Edit: West Ham also sold Tevez for £20 million that summer. And Reo-Coker for £8.5 million to Aston Villa (ha ha!)
Crazy days.
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Just saw on AC's wikipedia page he brought in Scott Parker (£7 million), Craig Bellamy (£7.5 million), Kieron Dyer (£6 million !!!), Julien Faubert (£6 .1 million) among others. :o Then Curbishley wasn't happy when West Ham sold Anton Ferdinand (who is rubbish) and George McCartney and sued the club and won £2.2 million in damages.
Looking at those figures it must have made a dent in West Ham's finances.
After he left Charlton there were 2 relegation in 3 seasons. He bought Bent (good signing) but he was also aided with Scott Parker and Luke Young coming through the charlton academy at the time they were in the premiership. At West Ham that's 26.6 million pounds on 1 outstanding player 1 average player and 2 absolutely dross players. He wont get anywhere near that sort of money here
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Lee Clark anyone?
Hughton is the man I would love here, my seocnd option would be Holloway.
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Just saw on AC's wikipedia page he brought in Scott Parker (£7 million), Craig Bellamy (£7.5 million), Kieron Dyer (£6 million !!!), Julien Faubert (£6 .1 million) among others. :o Then Curbishley wasn't happy when West Ham sold Anton Ferdinand (who is rubbish) and George McCartney and sued the club and won £2.2 million in damages.
Looking at those figures it must have made a dent in West Ham's finances.
We are talking about West Ham though, not exactly a perfectly run club. J.P isn't a mug, he wouldn't shell out.
Steve Bruce isn't much better though, he spent and absolute shedload at Sunderland and couldn't get any of them to play well.
Saying that, neither appointment would fill me with greif no would they with excitement. I do not think we are an established Premier League side yet, we've only been here two seasons. 5+ is established i'd say.
The Rafa/Ranieri callers are stupid, they wouldn't look twice at us. Nor would the likes of Rodgers, Lambert, Martinez etc. Neither of them would have anything to gain from us. A simple sidestep for the other Prem managers and a massive financial step down for Benitez and co. It has to be someone out of work, foreign or in the Championship. Hense the most sensible calls for Hughton, Mackay, Bruce, Curbishly etc.
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I edited my post above to include the sell of Tevez!
Curbishley also brought in the aging Ljungberg for £3 million.
Glad the casino days are over, even if the top clubs still throw money around like confetti.
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I dont want Curbishley really, for the same reasons as Gr Gr. There are quite a few options available to us like Hughton (hopefully), Poyet, Mackay, Powell and foreign coaches. Curbs isnt a bad coach and I think Villa should look at him but he is old fashioned and I want to continue with the head coach model.
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If its outside of the M25 Curbishley won't want to know.
I think our best bet would be to wait and see how the championship playoffs pan out then approach either Hughton or Mackay either of whom would fit into our current setup.
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Martinez for me. I'd drive him there myself if he was interested in us. Best manager in the premier league after Fergusson, Wenger and Hodgson.
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There has to be better options out there than Curbishley old school gaffer really not what we want a lot of the mess at West Ham and Charlton stems from some of his profligate spending. Would not be allowed to do that here but that in itself would be an issue. I think he also turned us down flat when we were in the Championship when we hired RDM not sure how that would play with Peace.
To my mind the most obvious candidates are
Hughton MacKay and Poyet. Nothing will happen while the former are still involved in the play-offs. Poyet has 2 years to run on his contract and BHA will not be a pushover when it comes to negotiations.
Of the current pool of unemployed managers most strike fear into my heart but Lee Clarke could be worth talking to.
I doubt any of the current premier league managers would want the role badly enough to leave clubs where they are well thought of which rules out Martinez, Lambert, and Rodgers. There might be a parting of the ways between Coyle and Bolton but probably only if they get relegated not sure we would want a manager whose most recent experience was leading a club to relegation.
Other than that the only alternative would be an overseas coach like Micheal Laudrup who has been mentioned elsewhere on this thread.
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this wont take long
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this wont take long
I think thats the point. Hes a young upcoming manager, trying to make a name for himself, yet still has some premier league experience. Also the fact he has done well in both his managerial positions so far suggests he'd be a decent shout.
We arent going to get someone who has "done" anything, im guessing by that you mean won stuff, because we arent a big enough club.
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this wont take long
I really appreciate your optimism.
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Dick advocaat leaving his post as Russia manager after euros, fits the cheap and experienced bracket?
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Who is 'he'? ???
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Who is 'he'? ???
You really don't know? Google him :)
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You really don't know? Google him :)
Damn! it's an old fart I knew it! :P
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Didn't Megson recently turn down the Dingles :D ;)
He'd suit Hodgson's squad. :D
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Didn't Megson recently turn down the Dingles :D ;)
He'd suit Hodgson's squad. :D
I think Megson has his eyes on the Villa job after McLeish :)
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Martinez for me. I'd drive him there myself if he was interested in us. Best manager in the premier league after Fergusson, Wenger and Hodgson.
If you only take the last 2 months of each season into account.
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Martinez has agreement with Dave Whelan that he can leave Wigan at the end of the season, should he wish to do so.
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Imagine if Megson was appointed. God help GrGr! :P
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Id question Advocaat's hunger to take on a full time job outside of Holland now. Seems to have been at international clubs for quite a while now.
Would he really want to take on the challenge of a mid table club as well when most of the clubs he has managed in the last 15 years have had a shout at getting champions league football in their own league (PSV, Rangers, AZ, Zenit, B Monchengladbach).
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If its outside of the M25 Curbishley won't want to know.
I think our best bet would be to wait and see how the championship playoffs pan out then approach either Hughton or Mackay either of whom would fit into our current setup.
But that could mean approaching a LOSING manager ?
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Imagine if Megson was appointed. God help GrGr! :P
Haha! :) I do appreciate Megson for what he did for us, even the way he did it. Who doesn't love over achievers? :) I just think he had control freak issues (like the 'scouting') and other issues, and the PL was/is a step too far for him.
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Slaven Bilic ? ;) would be a good foreign bet , technically better that all the above , well respected amongst his peers :)
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Please, Paolo Di Canio..
One thing which would be amazing to see, would be his charisma. Plays top football and passionate.
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For me Martinez is the dream here. I think it's slightly unrealistic to think he'd actually consider a move to WBA. He is a top tactician and coach and would suit our continental set up very well.
But, as I've said, the idea that he'd come here is kind of ridiculous; he'll be wanted at a much bigger club than ourselves. Spurs seems like a more realistic bet, but considering the situation they currently find themselves in (with Harry now looking to hold onto his job there) it seems he'd have to be looking elsewhere.
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Di Canio is too much of a live wire. I wouldnt want him in charge, not with his style being too abrasive.
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If we are looking for continuity and experience is Rafael Benitez the outstanding candidate for the job? He is the closest replacement for Roy currently available for employment I would think. Outstanding experience and record of achievement. His footballing beliefs all centre around strong defence and zonal marking in exactly the same way that Roy preaches. Is he the man to replace Roy and continue the good work that has been done with the squad. Would he come to WBA is another question but he has stated his desire to remain in the PL and how many of the top 6 jobs are going to be available any time soon. Plus he must be itching to get back in having been out for a couple of seasons? Cant see too many downsides with him.
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If we are looking for continuity and experience is Rafael Benitez the outstanding candidate for the job?
Heard Guardiola is free too.
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Heard Guardiola is free too.
Yeah, as soon as he got whiff of the fact the FA was going after Hodgson he went and resigned!
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Heard Guardiola is free too.
Would we really have thought that we would attract a coach of Roys experience in the first place?
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Would we really have thought that we would attract a coach of Roys experience in the first place?
Roy used us to get back into the England frame.
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Would we really have thought that we would attract a coach of Roys experience in the first place?
Ok, sorry in all seriousness - I can see where you're coming from entirely. I didn't expect to recruit a coach of Hodgson's standard last year.
I just think that, with the money available here at the Albion, surely Benitez wouldn't fancy the prospect of managing a team such as ourselves? It seems unrealistic to me.
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Roy used us to get back into the England frame.
Don't think it's quite like that mate surely?
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Anybody that thinks benitez would even consider albion is living in cloud cuckoo land. We wouldnt be able to afford him and we aint in his league.
Also managers like rogers lambert and martinez aint going to come to albion why would they its sidewards.also we wouldnt pay the compo for them!
Managers in the lower leagues or out of work are the managers for us.
Hughton if blues stay down would be perfect. If blues come up he aint going to come to us.
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Don't think it's quite like that mate surely?
Not quite like that but probably something to do with the fact that he was still smarting from the Liverpool debacle. Wanting to get back in the saddle and all that. I still think Ashworth sold it to him and he wanted to come here, but i'm sure bigger and better things are always on the mind of a manager of his calibre reaching retirement. Can't say I blame him.
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Roy used us to get back into the England frame.
Thats a bit unfair GrGr. We have agreed with each other on Hodgson a lot in the past but I think Roy actually came here to rebuild his reputation. We used him to stay up. That's football.
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Ok, sorry in all seriousness - I can see where you're coming from entirely. I didn't expect to recruit a coach of Hodgson's standard last year.
I just think that, with the money available here at the Albion, surely Benitez wouldn't fancy the prospect of managing a team such as ourselves? It seems unrealistic to me.
Well i cant really disagree with that at all intel.....but stranger things have happened. He has been out for a while now and I dont see anything bigger opening up for him bar the Villa.....but are they more attractive than us anymore? He wouldnt even have to move from his Liverpool home and a couple of years with us as a stepping stone a la Roy? wouldnt hurt us would it? Likely wont happen but Im pretty sure he would be a decent fit football wise for where we are now.
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Thats a bit unfair GrGr. We have agreed with each other on Hodgson a lot in the past but I think Roy actually came here to rebuild his reputation. We used him to stay up. That's football.
Yeah that's what i mean, I didn't mean it in a negative way. He knew the England job would be free, he had to do something to get back in the saddle, we needed a good experienced manager and everybody was happy.
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Maradona? :o
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The amount of votes for Holloway scare the life out of me.
Im hoping that the 5 soles who have voted for Sven are safely back in the warmth of their secure mental institution.
And may that be a lesson to the head warden.....the medication isnt working.
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Chris Hughton for me!
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has anyone thought of glenn hoddle i know he was a dingle but superb coach and plays good football
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Clear favourite by the looks of it!
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If we are looking for continuity and experience is Rafael Benitez the outstanding candidate for the job? He is the closest replacement for Roy currently available for employment I would think. Outstanding experience and record of achievement. His footballing beliefs all centre around strong defence and zonal marking in exactly the same way that Roy preaches. Is he the man to replace Roy and continue the good work that has been done with the squad. Would he come to WBA is another question but he has stated his desire to remain in the PL and how many of the top 6 jobs are going to be available any time soon. Plus he must be itching to get back in having been out for a couple of seasons? Cant see too many downsides with him.
Lol, he's one of the highest paid managers in the world. €10.2 million a year his last job paid.
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Also got to wonder if, regardless of what happens in the playoffs, would Blues prefer the compo we'd probably have to pay. Still lacking money and facing possible sanctions if they do get promoted
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Martinez or Hughton, or a similar young hungry manager for me. Martinez has done a wonder job at Wigan but not sure how much of a step up it would be for him to join us, then again, he has nothing to gain staying on as Wigan manager, if he can improve us considerably he will be ready for a top top job.
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has anyone thought of glenn hoddle i know he was a dingle but superb coach and plays good football
glenn hoddles a good shout
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Martinez is improbable, not least due to his relationship with Dave Whelan, but would love his fantasy football. Gus Poyet also quite exciting.
Hughton feels safer though.
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http://http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager
Pep Guardiola is only 100/1 with stan james have they heard a whisper?
Mick MCarthey is as low as 12/1, astonishing for someone who has been away from the professional game for so many years...
Curbs is the short price favourite.
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Martinez is improbable, not least due to his relationship with Dave Whelan, but would love his fantasy football. Gus Poyet also quite exciting.
Hughton feels safer though.
Yep, those three caught my eye from the list above. Poyet also feels as if he has a good future as manager.
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Martinez is improbable, not least due to his relationship with Dave Whelan, but would love his fantasy football. Gus Poyet also quite exciting.
Hughton feels safer though.
I'm preparing myself for a long wait till the end of the play-offs till we decide on our manager if Hughton is our top choice.
I'm guessing Downing will take charge of the next two games? Will Roy start straight away?
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not hoddle, after why he left the england job, about the comments he said about the disabled. check his wickipedia page .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Hoddle
would not welcome someone like that into my club
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Sadly there isn't a realistic candidate who is better than Roy.
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Martinez or Hughton, or a similar young hungry manager for me. Martinez has done a wonder job at Wigan but not sure how much of a step up it would be for him to join us, then again, he has nothing to gain staying on as Wigan manager, if he can improve us considerably he will be ready for a top top job.
I've always liked the way his teams play but I wouldn't say he's done a wonder job there. He's done no better than Bruce did. Wigan only start playing at the end of every season. That aside are we really that much of a step up from Wigan?
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Wigan have been shocking for 2/3rds of the season so he's hardly done a great job.
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But he has made a limited team play the best it can when it matters the most two years in a row. How many Wigan players would get into our team? Moses over Thomas but that's about it isn't it?
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But he has made a limited team play the best it can when it matters the most two years in a row. How many Wigan players would get into our team? Moses over Thomas but that's about it isn't it?
The thing that worries me about Martinez is that he doesn't get Wigan playing until March. I really don't see the appeal and why he gets so much praise. The Wigan payroll is bigger than ours and on paper he has taken them backwards. Can someone summarise and bullet point why he is so highly thought of because I don't understand why- I'm not the only one either.
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Roberto di mateo
Chris hughton
Michael laudrup
Glenn hoddle
Lee Clark
But something tells me Nigel clough??
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The thing that worries me about Martinez is that he doesn't get Wigan playing until March. I really don't see the appeal and why he gets so much praise. The Wigan payroll is bigger than ours and on paper he has taken them backwards. Can someone summarise and bullet point why he is so highly thought of because I don't understand why- I'm not the only one either.
Then again form in March onwards is crucial. We weren't that impressive either until we added Ridgewell and Andrews (and Burton) which pushed us over the bar into mid-table. Wigan may have a higher payroll (who the hell are they paying that much?) but they have also been selling their best players season after season and not replacing like for like, meaning they have had to find a new core each season.
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Anybody suggesting Glenn Hoddle is either a wolves fan on the wind up or forgot about all his managerial positions post 2000 :o
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Having been thinking about it pretty much all day i have settled for Martinez or Laudrup.
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But something tells me Nigel clough??
PLEASE PLEASE NO!! only a manage because of that surname!
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I like Nigel Adkins but I doubt he will leave Southampton
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I think there is some absolute bilge in this morning papers I fear we are about to be linked with every out of work manager any manager who has had any past link with the Albion or any manager who could possibly find their way to the Hawthorns with the assistance of a road map, most which will be pretty much inaccurate.
If you cast your mind back to the last appointment the club got on with the appointment with the minimum of fuss and there was a lot of speculation in the media but nothing concrete from the club until we were ready to make the appointment I would not expect much news for the next few weeks particularly if Hughton is on our radar. To approach Birmingham whilst they are still the play-offs would not get negotiations of to a good start and we really do not need to antagonise them particularly as we will want to do a deal on Foster regardless of who our new Head Coach is.
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Peace has given the green light for the FA to approach Roy Hodgson to fill the empty seat of the England Job. What happens if (or rather when) Hodgson goes? Who comes in? ??? ??? ??? Be realistic!
I would like to see Albion poach Chris Hughton. We are the bigger club compared to Brum and Chris could keep us up next season.... 8)
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I would like to see Albion poach Chris Hughton. We are the bigger club compared to Brum and Chris could keep us up next season.... 8)
We need someone to take us forward not just do the same again.....
and frankly I'm not convinced Hughton is all that people on here keep going on about....
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we need an experienced manager! someone who has managed at premier league or similar in europe! going for a young up and coming manager could be a mistake.
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Curbishley is many things but cheap isn't one of them.
As for being out of touch, that all depends what he's been doing since leaving west ham and sorting the resulting court case.
Anyone appointed will be signing up to our structure - its not exactly a secret is it?
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think we should go for the swansea manager.
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Neil McInnes is a comedian, surely you mean Derek McInnes..................Oh wait, I see where youre coming from :D ;D
ooops! yes Derek of course!!! must be the shock of Hodgson going! Mind you it's Neil Innes that's a comedian!......
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think we should go for the swansea manager.
and why would he leave Swansea for us
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I really dont see, Lambert, Adkins or Rodgers going, although i would be happy if we got any one of those.
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What odds do we actually have of signing Laudrup?
My money would be bet on us signing a coach whos already based in the UK.
We havent had a manager come in from a foreign country in a long while to be honest.
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Holloway i see is favourite, only joking :D. I know hes not alot of peoples choice but he would be mine. What a personality to have in the dressing room.Mr motivation and for me great to listen too.Also plays the game most of us would like to see on home soil.
I also see most Wolves fans wouldn't mind him either. Whats confusing is most of ours don't but most of theirs would welcome him.Why are we any different to them ;D
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Holloway i see is favourite, only joking :D. I know hes not alot of peoples choice but he would be mine. What a personality to have in the dressing room.Mr motivation and for me great to listen too.Also plays the game most of us would like to see on home soil.
I also see most Wolves fans wouldn't mind him either. Whats confusing is most of ours don't but most of theirs would welcome him.Why are we any different to them ;D
I think you'll find that we are more refined.............aye we?
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I trust the board. They've generally done well with managerial appointments in the past decade.
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Twitter rumours saying curbishly will be named. Hope not, never rated the guy.
Has to be Hughton for me.
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Twitter rumours saying curbishly will be named. Hope not, never rated the guy.
Has to be Hughton for me.
NoNo Noooooooo to Curbishley
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NoNo Noooooooo to Curbishley
Would wind up the dingles though! lol
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Ive also heard a few whispers that Curbs is a early front runner for the job.
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I really cannot see Curbs coming to us, we don’t suit him, and he don’t suit us. Malky Mackay for me is the perfect candidate.
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The more i read about him the more i want Laudrup. He's not even an outsider on the odds. Is he unrealistic?
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The more i read about him the more i want Laudrup. He's not even an outsider on the odds. Is he unrealistic?
Sky have him in at 11/1 that is probably based on message board talk though more than anything.
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Curbishley now 4/5 on favourite with Skybet must be some money going on him. But seriously doubt we would appoint him nor should we. There is no particular rush so very much doubt the club will have been in touch with anyone
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NoNo Noooooooo to Curbishley
Couldnt have put it better myself.
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We always seem to pull off an unexpected appointment under Peace/Ashworth.
The days after Megson was sacked who thought we would have ended up with Robson.
The days after Robson was sacked who thought we would have ended up with Mowbray.
The days after Mowbray was sacked who thought we would have ended up with Di Matteo.
The days after Di Matteo was sacked who thought we would have ended up with Hodgson.
The early favourites hardly ever pick up the vacant jobs, so I would take the Curbishley link with a pinch of salt.
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Regarding Laudrup.
Yes. Completely unrealistic. Hes a top European coach and Im sad to say out of our league.
The Papers and radio saying its likely to be Hughton. If that is true then i wont be going to many games next season. Nice guy, great coach and a very good number 2 but not prem standard by any means. We need a strong manager, whos been there and done it. I would be inclined to go for someone like Neil warnock or Gordon strachan, or a couple of names people havnt mentioned yet - Kevin keegan, glen hoddle?
Still, My first choice would be jewell at the moment.
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Curbishley now 4/5 on favourite with Skybet must be some money going on him. But seriously doubt we would appoint him nor should we. There is no particular rush so very much doubt the club will have been in touch with anyone
I'm not so sure. We've known for a while that Hodgson may leave and I am sure some ground work may have been done with some people.
Obviously the ones in jobs probably haven't been in contact but those like Curbishley and Bruce would have been contacted as a matter of course I would have thought. Unofficially, the club won't have done anything however due to the way Hodgson looks to be leaving I am sure that he would be agreeable for us to start looking for his replacement seeing we've been agreeable to him going for an interview.
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i know i may get slated but how about AVB... surly has a point to prove as he was slated as a manager but as a coach aswe;; in england.. would he not be tempted to take a club on in england and prove all his doubters wrong about how good a coach he is.. i know it is an unrealistic possibility as he would cost a fortune in wages but he may be tempted to give a big two fingers up to everyone in england who slated him to show them how good he is and that he doesnt need million pounds of transfer kitty and prove how good a manager and coach he is
Time for the onslaught
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I would be inclined to go for someone like Neil warnock or Gordon strachan, or a couple of names people havnt mentioned yet - Kevin keegan, glen hoddle?
Still, My first choice would be jewell at the moment.
omg Warnock, Strachan, Keegan, Hoddle. All four would be in my must not list.
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Ashworth has already stated that managers have been watched and that they have been ready for Hodgsons inevitable departure.
We'll have managers in mind and if it is Hughton then he will no doubt want to wait until Blues' season has ended in either 2 or 3 games.
Hughton is the outstanding candidate IMO so we'll just have to be patient.
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omg Warnock, Strachan, Keegan, Hoddle. All four would be in my must not list.
He's got to be a dingle on the wind up surely? lol
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He's got to be a dingle on the wind up surely? lol
Definitely, I clocked it after two posts and got the usual response 'I have been a baggie longer than you' or something to that effect.
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No to Curbs! Im still hoping we get Stuart Pearce!
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i know i may get slated but how about AVB... surly has a point to prove as he was slated as a manager but as a coach aswe;; in england.. would he not be tempted to take a club on in england and prove all his doubters wrong about how good a coach he is.. i know it is an unrealistic possibility as he would cost a fortune in wages but he may be tempted to give a big two fingers up to everyone in england who slated him to show them how good he is and that he doesnt need million pounds of transfer kitty and prove how good a manager and coach he is
Time for the onslaught
I'd love AVB. A lot of people have only seen what he has done at Chelsea but the season before at Porto he had that side playing some unbelievable football, undefeated in the league, won the cup and Europa league. Top coach that would thrive in the head coach role. He may feel he is to big time but the ideal guy for me.
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We have got a good 2/3 months to make the right choice, absolutely no rush at all as all the players will be on holiday until July anyway and Dan Ashworth will be doing the scouting already for next season.
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Im sure if you went on the southampton forums before the atkins employment they would of said "your on the windup" if the physios name was mentioned.
Im a realist unlike many with some of the names they have put foward. Benitez, martinez, laudrup. Look at our previous managers, mowbray, megson, hodgson, di Matteo, robson - all did little or nothing before coming to us and now all of a sudden we can go for top managers? Live in the real World guys (I wish we didnt have to but we do).
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I'd love AVB. A lot of people have only seen what he has done at Chelsea but the season before at Porto he had that side playing some unbelievable football, undefeated in the league, won the cup and Europa league. Top coach that would thrive in the head coach role. He may feel he is to big time but the ideal guy for me.
Would like to see AVB manage albion, a name i had not even considerd but its not too far off the same standard as Roy Hogdson!
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Regarding Laudrup.
Yes. Completely unrealistic. Hes a top European coach and Im sad to say out of our league.
The Papers and radio saying its likely to be Hughton. If that is true then i wont be going to many games next season. Nice guy, great coach and a very good number 2 but not prem standard by any means. We need a strong manager, whos been there and done it. I would be inclined to go for someone like Neil warnock or Gordon strachan, or a couple of names people havnt mentioned yet - Kevin keegan, glen hoddle?
Still, My first choice would be jewell at the moment.
are you for real!?
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Chris Hughton was very close to getting the job last time.
Nothing in the last 18 months would suggest that he will not be near the top of this list this time as well.
I would be very happy with him indeed - not a big name or a big ego - just a down to earth coach who worked wonders with the trouble hit Geordies and Bluenoses.
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Would love to hear LegendofAstles explanation for some of those names mentioned.
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Would like to see AVB manage albion, a name i had not even considerd but its not too far off the same standard as Roy Hogdson!
WUM?
AVB is in a completely different league to Roy..
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Regarding Laudrup.
Yes. Completely unrealistic. Hes a top European coach and Im sad to say out of our league.
The Papers and radio saying its likely to be Hughton. If that is true then i wont be going to many games next season. Nice guy, great coach and a very good number 2 but not prem standard by any means. We need a strong manager, whos been there and done it. I would be inclined to go for someone like Neil warnock or Gordon strachan, or a couple of names people havnt mentioned yet - Kevin keegan, glen hoddle?
Still, My first choice would be jewell at the moment.
How do you know he isn't prem standard? He did ok with Newcastle after taking them up. Hughton as we all know has done a stellar job at two clubs in very difficult circumstances proving that his abilities are not a fluke. Who knows what he could do in more settled circumstances at a PL club like ours.
I'd far rather have someone young, intelligent and hungry with fresh ideas and energy, over necromancing some old worn out has been that thinks he has the recipy based on past experience from two decades ago.
Lambert, Rodgers etc show the way to go.
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Would like to see AVB manage albion, a name i had not even considerd but its not too far off the same standard as Roy Hogdson!
Same. AVB would be great to get in on the long term. Could see him building something worthwhile over time.
I just think he is a bit out of our league and if ever approached he'd snub it, he's too ambitious to manage a club like us.
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WUM?
AVB is in a completely different league to Roy..
Yeah he's in the Blue Square Premier
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WUM?
AVB is in a completely different league to Roy..
Disagree, Hodgson took Fulham to the Europa League final and failed at liverpool.
AVB took Porto proberbly the same standard as Fulham and won the Final, went to chelsea and failed!
Hes less experianced, but hes a young manager!
I dont see to much differnce!
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Disagree, Hodgson took Fulham to the Europa League final and failed at liverpool.
AVB took Porto proberbly the same standard as Fulham and won the Final, went to chelsea and failed!
Hes less experianced, but hes a young manager!
I dont see to much differnce!
Porto same standard as Fulham? wow.
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Porto same standard as Fulham? wow.
History wise no, but I agree with WBAhunty put Porto in the prem and they would be no better than mid table IMO the same as Fulham, but thats a different argument for another topic.
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Ok. The names I mentioned.
Gordon Strachan - Overall managerial record with a 44% win ratio(hodgson Overall record win % is 43% fyi) - 3 spl titles and 3 cups with celtic. FA cup runner up with southampton. Good manager, deserves another crack.
Glen hoddle - Got england playing the best football for years and we havnt played better since (14 years). Win % record of 60% with england - will roy better that? Doubt it.
Kevin keegan - manager of the most entertaining Team the prem has ever seen. Failed at england yes but an Overall managerial record of 50%win ratio.
Paul jewell - Been there done it with wigan. A win ratio of 43.6% with wigan (I am noting wigan because thats the only time hes managed for long in the prem) would be easy to get and with a bigger budget than wigan we can be consistent in the prem.
Neil Warnock - Little to be said about the man other than he deserves a crack with a established prem club, not a team he has got promoted and dumped harshly early on. Cheap again and could get the best out of what we have.
These are all realistic and cheap options with potential to do well.
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AVB did well at Porto to put it mildly.... But any manager with a forward pairing of Hulk and Falcao is going to tear defences apart!
Villas Boas fell victim to the old guard players over inflated egos at Chelsea and was undermined to the point where his position became untenable. Of course he would be a fantastic coach for the albion and would fit in perfectly with the structure we have in place, but realistically have we got a chance??
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Ok. The names I mentioned.
Gordon Strachan - Overall managerial record with a 44% win ratio(hodgson Overall record win % is 43% fyi) - 3 spl titles and 3 cups with celtic. FA cup runner up with southampton. Good manager, deserves another crack.
Glen hoddle - Got england playing the best football for years and we havnt played better since (14 years). Win % record of 60% with england - will roy better that? Doubt it.
Kevin keegan - manager of the most entertaining Team the prem has ever seen. Failed at england yes but an Overall managerial record of 50%win ratio.
Paul jewell - Been there done it with wigan. A win ratio of 43.6% with wigan (I am noting wigan because thats the only time hes managed for long in the prem) would be easy to get and with a bigger budget than wigan we can be consistent in the prem.
Neil Warnock - Little to be said about the man other than he deserves a crack with a established prem club, not a team he has got promoted and dumped harshly early on. Cheap again and could get the best out of what we have.
These are all realistic and cheap options with potential to do well.
Are you a Wolves / Villa fan signed up to take the pee?
Stan, is that you?
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Interestingly, over 500 votes now.
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AVB did well at Porto to put it mildly.... But any manager with a forward pairing of Hulk and Falcao is going to tear defences apart!
Villas Boas fell victim to the old guard players over inflated egos at Chelsea and was undermined to the point where his position became untenable. Of course he would be a fantastic coach for the albion and would fit in perfectly with the structure we have in place, but realistically have we got a chance??
I don't see any harm in trying our luck.
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Ok. The names I mentioned.
Gordon Strachan - Overall managerial record with a 44% win ratio(hodgson Overall record win % is 43% fyi) - 3 spl titles and 3 cups with celtic. FA cup runner up with southampton. Good manager, deserves another crack.
Glen hoddle - Got england playing the best football for years and we havnt played better since (14 years). Win % record of 60% with england - will roy better that? Doubt it.
Kevin keegan - manager of the most entertaining Team the prem has ever seen. Failed at england yes but an Overall managerial record of 50%win ratio.
Paul jewell - Been there done it with wigan. A win ratio of 43.6% with wigan (I am noting wigan because thats the only time hes managed for long in the prem) would be easy to get and with a bigger budget than wigan we can be consistent in the prem.
Neil Warnock - Little to be said about the man other than he deserves a crack with a established prem club, not a team he has got promoted and dumped harshly early on. Cheap again and could get the best out of what we have.
These are all realistic and cheap options with potential to do well.
You missed a few off that list......
Mick McCarthy
Mark McGee
Steve Bull
You're welcome.
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lol because I say realistic people Im a disgusting wolves or villa fan? Jesus. Get a grip.
Ok since we are living in dreamland now with mentioning the likes of avb, here is my new choices.
José mourinho, jugen klopp, gus Hiddink and carlo ancelotti. Or better still lets get arigo sachi!
There. Happy now?
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lol because I say realistic people Im a disgusting wolves or villa fan? Jesus. Get a grip.
Ok since we are living in dreamland now with mentioning the likes of avb, here is my new choices.
José mourinho, jugen klopp, gus Hiddink and carlo ancelotti. Or better still lets get arigo sachi!
There. Happy now?
You aren't being realistic though, are you?
Keegan wouldn't want to come off the golf course for us. Hoddle's last job was the Dingles and that went really well ::) . And our chairman wouldn't touch Warnock with a barge pole, not just due to the football, but also due to the fact he is a spiky character and potential destabilising influence on our club. What Jewell did with Derby (no wins in half a season or more) and his lower mid-table finish with Ipswich in the championship will ensure he isn't even a consideration.
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Paul Jewell ? doesn't he have one of the worst records as a Prem boss while at Derby ?
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I'd rather have Mr Bean or the Teletubbies in charge than have Paul Jewell.
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Curbs odds have been slashed on skybet - I hope it's not him.
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I am just saying these are the kind of people we should be going for and more likely than most of the names said.
Another possibility - Billy Davies? Did cracking job at forest and is out of work? Thoughts?
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I am just saying these are the kind of people we should be going for and more likely than most of the names said.
Another possibility - Billy Davies? Did cracking job at forest and is out of work? Thoughts?
Being heavily linked to take over at Hull fortunately
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I think we should try to entice TC away from the dingles, he has already given us more pleasure than any other manager so far.
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After Roy's success I get the felling the club may well go for a more of an experienced steady hand rather than one in the RDM or Mowbray type mould. I get the feeling it might be Curbishley.
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Martinez or Hughton, or a similar young hungry manager for me. Martinez has done a wonder job at Wigan but not sure how much of a step up it would be for him to join us, then again, he has nothing to gain staying on as Wigan manager, if he can improve us considerably he will be ready for a top top job.
How exactly has Martinez done a 'wonder' job at Wigan? Since taking over they have finished 16th, 16th and are currently 16th this season. They finished 5 points behind us last season and they are 9 points behind us this season with what I would imagine is a comparable transfer and wage budget.
They survived by the skin of the teeth last season and have hit a good run at the right time this season, before which they looked odds on to go down. They have only won 4 games at home all season and until their drubbing of Newcastle they had the lowest home goals tally in all of the 4 divisions. Martinez has just about achieved what is expected of him at Wigan, nothing more, nothing less.
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i voted for Martinez, think he fits the Head Coah role perfectly. But i can see it being Chris Hughton if Blues dont come back up, he's only on a rolling contract, they have debts still, surely would prefer to be in the PL managing again.
Nobody else realistic excites me. i think we should forget even talking about names like Benitez and AVB.. never in a million years would they come to us. (although can all but dream)
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Chris HAoughton has been asked about the Albion position on Sky just but was obviously and understandably very evasive.
Does anyone know if he actually got an interview with the Albion before we got Roy in ?
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I am just saying these are the kind of people we should be going for and more likely than most of the names said.
Another possibility - Billy Davies? Did cracking job at forest and is out of work? Thoughts?
Okay for someone who is not on the wind up you are certainly mentioning managers Warnock & Davies in particular that would get a negative response from most Baggies fans even if they were gods of coaching and they are not.
I think you might find yourself in a very small minority in welcoming either Davies or Warnock to the Hawthorns you are of course entitled to your opinion but do not be surprised if you get slated on here.
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Chris HAoughton has been asked about the Albion position on Sky just but was obviously and understandably very evasive.
Does anyone know if he actually got an interview with the Albion before we got Roy in ?
He certainly said he did. He also didn't hold any grudges about not getting it and he was treated very well during the process.
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After Roy's success I get the felling the club may well go for a more of an experienced steady hand rather than one in the RDM or Mowbray type mould. I get the feeling it might be Curbishley.
I totally agree. The other types haven't really worked for us. We need someone with experience and a decent reputation who can attract a better calibre of player too. I wouldn't be disappointed if Curbishley was appointed. There are no real stand out candidates for me though.
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I see some of those who have been critical of Hodgson's football stating that they are in favour of Hughton being appointed.
I like Hughton and would be happy with his appointment but there have been complaints about his style of football from both Newcastle and Birmingham fans. He's certainly not a long ball merchant but he by no means gets his teams playing free flowing football. From what I have seen and heard of him he is very much a 442 man with an emphasis on organisation.
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Chris HAoughton has been asked about the Albion position on Sky just but was obviously and understandably very evasive.
Does anyone know if he actually got an interview with the Albion before we got Roy in ?
Crucially, he is no stranger to Albion's board.
Hughton, who is on a one-year rolling contract, was close to getting the job before Roy Hodgson arrived in February 2011, particularly impressing chairman Jeremy Peace during the interviewing process
This bit was pulled from this article http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/01/west-brom-roy-hodgson-to-be-appointed-england-boss-today-chris-hughton-early-favourite-to-replace-him-97319-30874482/ (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/01/west-brom-roy-hodgson-to-be-appointed-england-boss-today-chris-hughton-early-favourite-to-replace-him-97319-30874482/)
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I see some of those who have been critical of Hodgson's football stating that they are in favour of Hughton being appointed.
I like Hughton and would be happy with his appointment but there have been complaints about his style of football from both Newcastle and Birmingham fans. He's certainly not a long ball merchant but he by no means gets his teams playing free flowing football. From what I have seen and heard of him he is very much a 442 man with an emphasis on organisation.
A seamless transition then. ;D
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Curbs odds have been slashed on skybet - I hope it's not him.
You are seriously depressing me now
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Does anyone think it will benefit us having Hodgson, a significant name in football, leaving on good terms and speaking highly about us?.Surely that will make us a more attractive proposition for potential managers if Roy highly recommends us. Not many managers leave on good terms.
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Certainly was interviewed at the time and it was between him and Hodgson. There was some doubt as to whether or not Roy would accept the post and Hughton would have almost certainly been appointed had he not.
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On the subject of Laudrup being beyond our reach he has managed Getafe in Spain who are La Liga's Wigan and Mallorca who are a mid-table team albeit one that seems to be locked into a perpetual state of financial crisis. That is not Barcalona or Real Madrid so not out of our reach. Not sure of the wisdom of importing a coach with no experince of English football but not out of our reach
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Does anyone think it will benefit us having Hodgson, a significant name in football, leaving on good terms and speaking highly about us?.Surely that will make us a more attractive proposition for potential managers if Roy highly recommends us. Not many managers leave on good terms.
I agree it would make a very good impression, also the fact that our other previous manager is now a Champions league finalist. We could become viewed as a club who is set up that could help managers get to the very top of European football.
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On the subject of Laudrup being beyond our reach he has managed Getafe in Spain who are La Liga's Wigan and Mallorca who are a mid-table team albeit one that seems to be locked into a perpetual state of financial crisis. That is not Barcalona or Real Madrid so not out of our reach. Not sure of the wisdom of importing a coach with no experince of English football but not out of our reach
Thanks for the background info mate. I don't really know anything about Michael Laudrup's managerial credentials, but what I do know is that he was a world class player back in the day.... Or was that Brian??!! ???
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Regarding Laudrup.
Yes. Completely unrealistic. Hes a top European coach and Im sad to say out of our league.
The Papers and radio saying its likely to be Hughton. If that is true then i wont be going to many games next season. Nice guy, great coach and a very good number 2 but not prem standard by any means. We need a strong manager, whos been there and done it. I would be inclined to go for someone like Neil warnock or Gordon strachan, or a couple of names people havnt mentioned yet - Kevin keegan, glen hoddle?
Still, My first choice would be jewell at the moment.
Dingle all day long.
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Laudrup is hardly a top european coach. Player yes but not coach. He did well at Getafe and Mallorca. Similar sized clubs to us.
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You are seriously depressing me now
How is a proven track record of premier league success something to be depressed about? I can't understand the mentality of Albion fans dismissing the likes of Curbishley who's record is absolutely superb in modern day Premier League football over a decade plus.
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i just hope the mr peace sees that we have gone forward under hodgson and this is actually a really important decision ie could make our club or potentially take us 2 steps backwards. If i was mr peace i would realise this hence why i mentioned AVB i just think that mr peace needs to look at his past appointments cheap options that just couldnt take us to the next level SIR Roy took us to that next level and this is what we need someone to carry on his good work and keep taking us forward. This will not happen with a cheap option and so he needs to invest in a decent manager
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I'd be happy with curbs
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i just hope the mr peace sees that we have gone forward under hodgson and this is actually a really important decision ie could make our club or potentially take us 2 steps backwards. If i was mr peace i would realise this hence why i mentioned AVB i just think that mr peace needs to look at his past appointments cheap options that just couldnt take us to the next level SIR Roy took us to that next level and this is what we need someone to carry on his good work and keep taking us forward. This will not happen with a cheap option and so he needs to invest in a decent manager
You are right mate, we do need to invest well in a manager but AVB? He has already failed in the Prem with one of the best football teams in the world a job even a tactically naive ex-manager of ours is making look easy. While you are right in the sentiment of not penny pinching and bringing in the right man for the job, that man needs to have a good track record (same as Roy had) at keeping teams in the premier league. AVB hasn't proved anything in english football apart from the fact that he failed miserably to capture the respect of the Chelsea dressing room.
I haven't been a massive fan of the way Hodgson has managed many times this year, it took him over half a season to realise that we are better as a 451(433) than a 442, but at the end of the day, our league position is better than I imagined so who am I to question a man of such experience who has consistently produced results? We need someone to bring in stability and a calm head, not a new face trying to make a name. Experience is the key for us at this stage of our evolution into a Premier League regular.
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How is a proven track record of premier league success something to be depressed about? I can't understand the mentality of Albion fans dismissing the likes of Curbishley who's record is absolutely superb in modern day Premier League football over a decade plus.
Curbishley clearly has a massive ego problem. He refuses to even look at a Championship job when people approach him and if he really had love for the game he would have sought out a job a lot sooner than the three years out of works suggests.
He also wanted full control of transfers at West Ham and obviously had this power at Charlton, therefore how does he match the criteria of a head coach?
Again, no thanks. Hughton or Martinez for me.
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You are right mate, we do need to invest well in a manager but AVB? He has already failed in the Prem with one of the best football teams in the world a job even a tactically naive ex-manager of ours is making look easy. While you are right in the sentiment of not penny pinching and bringing in the right man for the job, that man needs to have a good track record (same as Roy had) at keeping teams in the premier league. AVB hasn't proved anything in english football apart from the fact that he failed miserably to capture the respect of the Chelsea dressing room.
I haven't been a massive fan of the way Hodgson has managed many times this year, it took him over half a season to realise that we are better as a 451(433) than a 442, but at the end of the day, our league position is better than I imagined so who am I to question a man of such experience who has consistently produced results? We need someone to bring in stability and a calm head, not a new face trying to make a name. Experience is the key for us at this stage of our evolution into a Premier League regular.
Roy failed at Liverpool didn't he?
I think he AVB is way out of our league but he did not got the respect he should of had from the Chelsea players - sound familiar?
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Hughton / Martinez for me.
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i just hope the mr peace sees that we have gone forward under hodgson and this is actually a really important decision ie could make our club or potentially take us 2 steps backwards. If i was mr peace i would realise this hence why i mentioned AVB i just think that mr peace needs to look at his past appointments cheap options that just couldnt take us to the next level SIR Roy took us to that next level and this is what we need someone to carry on his good work and keep taking us forward. This will not happen with a cheap option and so he needs to invest in a decent manager
Sir Roy surfed on the wave built by his predecessors and the club. Roy didn't drop the ball and continued to build us and make us stronger, but it isn't all his work. Ever since we got rid of Robson we have improved on a yearly basis (yes, even when we have been yoyoing, which was part of the growing process). I pray we don't get a Robson throwback/untalented manager as our next appointment, but a modern dynamic coach that can keep helping us grow on and off the pitch.
That is why I am less than lukewarm about managers like Curbishley. I think English football needs to develop and modernize and I want WBA to be at the center of that, with the youth setup as part of that. Curbishley to me has a distinct whiff of the past.
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How is a proven track record of premier league success something to be depressed about? I can't understand the mentality of Albion fans dismissing the likes of Curbishley who's record is absolutely superb in modern day Premier League football over a decade plus.
Just my humble thats all
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I think AVB is the man we have to go and get! Simply because he is not a step backwards!
Curbs would be IMO and so would Hughton and Hollaway never really dont anything apart from get a team to the premier league and stay there!
We are better than that now and need to start looking at getting top half next season not just Staying up!
AVB FOR ME!
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Curbishley would definitely provide stability and, providing Blues don't get promotion, Hughton would be a good shout. However I've voted for Solskjaer. Just keep remembering how highly rated he was by Ferguson while in charge of the United Reserves. He's got the results and won the League in Norway. Provided we retain most of our backroom staff and integrate well with Solskjaer's people I think he's got the ability and the desire to build something great. Hodgson's provided a very stable platform.
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CL has said Ian Hollow is very unlikely.
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It makes me laugh how people over rate Martinez so much, Bruce did a far better job at Wigan with the same budget. Not saying we should get Bruce at all, but swap the surnames around and he'd be rated a lot more seemingly. Amongst other things, Martinez is absolutely shocking in the transfer market.
I can't see Curbishley coming to us either, he strikes me as a manager who likes full control. Wasn't one of the reasons he left West Ham about him not having full control over player transfers? I seriously doubt he'd work with a director of football.
As it is I doubt we're in much rush. Unlike past appointments there's no real rush this time, I imagine if we do want Hughton we'll happily wait and see what happens in the play offs.
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Like the above post, most managers on the above list are a step backwards IMO, Other than the likes of Hughton, Laudrup and AVB. We need to push the boat out and offer higher managerial wages for a higher quality manager. Although il be very happy with Hughton.
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Just my humble thats all
I know mate, I'm not having a go. It's just when I look at Curbishley's record, it's pretty flawless and just don't understand why anybody wouldn't want him here.
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McLeish, you know it makes sense. We love him down the Villa and would be sad to see him go but if the biggest and bestest team in the Midlands ever came calling who are we to stand in his way?
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McLeish, you know it makes sense. We love him down the Villa and would be sad to see him go but if the biggest and bestest team in the Midlands ever came calling who are we to stand in his way?
Your manager is not good enough for us.
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His job is yet to be fulfilled at Vile Park
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Your manager is not good enough for us.
I think you mean were too good for him!
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seriously, why doesnt the Boy Wonder Ashworth have a try seeing as he can do no wrong? anybody can sit watching videos all day and deciding which players are better than others.
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seriously, why doesnt the Boy Wonder Ashworth have a try seeing as he can do no wrong? anybody can sit watching videos all day and deciding which players are better than others.
So your saying Ashworths position isnt needed at this club?
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Think some people need to remember the people at Newcastle going crazy when Pardew was appointed, now hes like a god up there with the season theyve had.
Lets not just dismiss the more experienced people like Curbs etc.
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So your saying Ashworths position isnt needed at this club?
All he does is watch videos and compile lists, like some sort of secretary. Anybody with an ounce of football knowledge could do his job. His role is seriously over-stated.
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What a load of rubbish.
Hes set up a successful acadamey, negiotates player contracts aswell as scouring the world for playing talent.
I would suggest your knowledge of football to be not even an ounce to suggest Ashworths sporting director role is over stated especially as it seems many of the big clubs are now looking at him.
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All he does is watch videos and compile lists, like some sort of secretary. Anybody with an ounce of football knowledge could do his job. His role is seriously over-stated.
LOL - Ashworth is a genius to be honest. His scouting is second to-none and has been top-notch down the years. Don't forget other un-seen gems who we failed to get down to money such as Tiote and Dembele. His job is much harder than it sounds...see Comolli at Liverpool - a top club.
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It seems to be a three horse racing according to Transfer Central on Twitter between Alan Curbshley, Steve Bruce and Chris Hughton.
Fourth Official on Twitter say Chris Hughton won't be going to WBA.
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I think you mean were too good for him!
Same thing isn't it?
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are you a robot? you seriously cant be human, your posts are 99% uneeded and pathetic IMO, just my opinion though, your name says it all 'sealandair' may you be a villa van?
He's the .com wind up merchant.
Entitled to his own opinion of course, but most of his posts IMO are just looking for a reaction.
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He's the .com wind up merchant.
Entitled to his own opinion of course, but most of his posts IMO are just looking for a reaction.
glad i wasnt the only one thinking this then. everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so therefore, in my opinion, his opinion is wrong! :)
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Hodgson's just been confirmed as England Manager by the FA according to BBC News.
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I hope to god the rumours about appleton arent true!
Also somebody mentioned avb :-) got your head in the clouds mate, porto - chelsea - west brom dosent really add up does it.
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I hope to god the rumours about appleton arent true!
Also somebody mentioned avb :-) got your head in the clouds mate, porto - chelsea - west brom dosent really add up does it.
Roy Hodgson - Inter Milan - Liverpool - West Brom: I think that happened ;)
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It seems to be a three horse racing according to Transfer Central on Twitter between Alan Curbshley, Steve Bruce and Chris Hughton.
Fourth Official on Twitter say Chris Hughton won't be going to WBA.
They are clueless the lot of them. Kept a log of which players we were linked with last summer by these sites and trust me it was bilge for the most part no reason to expect any different with regard to the appointment of a new Head Coach.
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Roy Hodgson - Inter Milan - Liverpool - West Brom: I think that happened ;)
To be fair youve got me there :D
Still no chance of avb coming to us though!
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To be fair youve got me there :D
Still no chance of avb coming to us though!
Your probably right, i wouldn't be holding my breath for it.
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Fourth Official on Twitter say Chris Hughton won't be going to WBA.
Take what he says with a pinch of salt, he bleats on about the ones he got right but he gets so much wrong it's untrue (he often deletes the ones that don't come off).
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Just wait until its announced by the club, no point speculating as ( almost ) no - one knows who our next manager will be. Specualting only causes arguements on here as one mans Mourinho is another mans Warnock.
I'm just going to sit tight and wait. Nothing will be announced until after Hodgson leaves in 2 weeks time anyway and 2 weeks of speculation will have some on here in an early grave with a heart-attack :o ;D
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I hate waiting to see an appointment at the best of times, we'll have to be waiting till Blues fate is sealed for sure..
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Give us a good betting opportunity :D
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I hate waiting to see an appointment at the best of times, we'll have to be waiting till Blues fate is sealed for sure..
We have to wait until the end of the season anyway with Hodgson not leaving until then. By which time Blues could be out of the play offs. Hopefully! ;)
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We have to wait until the end of the season anyway with Hodgson not leaving until then. By which time Blues could be out of the play offs. Hopefully! ;)
Very true, come on Blackpool!
I wonder how the players will play for the next two games, see Roy off well with good performances, or slack?
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Very true, come on Blackpool!
I wonder how the players will play for the next two games, see Roy off well with good performances, or slack?
A couple need to play their way onto Engerland contention ! ;)
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We can't replace Hodgson with a manager on his level, because they are all unrealistic targets, we just got lucky when we got Hodgson.. Who ever comes in will be considerd as a "step back" but it certainly doesn't mean that he isn't capable of doing a good job.
I have no idea who our man is, I have no problem with inexperienced man, I think we are still the club that managers gains premier league experience from and develop to be either Mowbray og Matteo.. ;D
But its Albion so no one knows what will happen.. ;D
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AVB is way way out of our league, Im suprised people are being serious considering him, majorly unrealistic.
He was probably on over 100k a week at Chelsea what would we be offering our manager? 25k-30k absolute no chance, he will be managing in the Champions League again next season probably.
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AVB is way way out of our league, Im suprised people are being serious considering him, majorly unrealistic.
He was probably on over 100k a week at Chelsea what would we be offering our manager? 25k-30k absolute no chance, he will be managing in the Champions League again next season probably.
Managers are unlikely to get that sort of money a week mate.
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Managers are unlikely to get that sort of money a week mate.
I still think he would have to take at least a 60% wage cut from what he was getting at Chelsea to what he would get here. Just think he is way out of our league
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I'm sure DA and JP would of had there list together well before we knew anything, thats what we're good at.
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Claudio Ranieri? probably won't happen but has stated he wants a job in the premier league ::)
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I still think he would have to take at least a 60% wage cut from what he was getting at Chelsea to what he would get here. Just think he is way out of our league
Never mind his wage, I could never see him working within the budget limitations we provide to buy players. Would be great to have him but there's jut too many things to put him off.
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I just see on the betting odds list, Lee Clark and Dave Jones. Wouldn't be bad options either but not enough experience for me.
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Never mind his wage, I could never see him working within the budget limitations we provide to buy players. Would be great to have him but there's jut too many things to put him off.
Exactly, he would want everything this club wouldnt offer. Not a chance will he even be considered
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Most of the names at the start of the thread would move us back into rlegation strugglers again.
My top 3 , though all with strings attached.
1. Bredan Rogers - has excellent footballing style, but just signed a new contract at Swansea
2. Chris Hughton- dependant on Blues
3. Roberto di Matteo - dependant on whetehr Chelsea appoint new manager
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Most of the names at the start of the thread would move us back into rlegation strugglers again.
My top 3 , though all with strings attached.
1. Bredan Rogers - has excellent footballing style, but just signed a new contract at Swansea
2. Chris Hughton- dependant on Blues
3. Roberto di Matteo - dependant on whetehr Chelsea appoint new manager
I'd personally welcome back Robbie back to be honest, but it'll be a crime if he doesn't get the Chelsea job, but I can see Abramovich doing that though, just to splash his cash. Brendan Rodgers is a superb manager to be honest.
I'd be happy if we were to lure someone like Rodgers or Paul Lambert. I guess we need someone who's proven they can work on a small budget, which to be honest Paul Lambert has done amazing with Norwich to be honest. I think Malky Mackay would be a decent shout from Cardiff as well. Maybe we want someone more experienced at Prem level.
Curbishley? It seems as if it's a split opinion over him.
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Birmingham manager Chris Hughton has played down reports naming him as the leading candidate to succeed Roy Hodgson at West Brom.
Hodgson, 64, was confirmed as the new England manager on Tuesday.
However, Hughton insisted he was solely focused on trying to lead Birmingham back to the Premier League via the Championship play-offs.
"Anything else is completely out of my control and, at the moment, doesn't interest me," the 53-year-old said.
"I can only deal with anything that is fact and what is fact is that we've got a massively important game in a few days against a very, very good Blackpool team."
Interesting comment - Come on BLACKPOOL!
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Birmingham manager Chris Hughton has played down reports naming him as the leading candidate to succeed Roy Hodgson at West Brom.
Hodgson, 64, was confirmed as the new England manager on Tuesday.
However, Hughton insisted he was solely focused on trying to lead Birmingham back to the Premier League via the Championship play-offs.
"Anything else is completely out of my control and, at the moment, doesn't interest me," the 53-year-old said.
"I can only deal with anything that is fact and what is fact is that we've got a massively important game in a few days against a very, very good Blackpool team."
Interesting comment - Come on BLACKPOOL!
Hes going to say that with the play-offs coming up
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He's the .com wind up merchant.
Entitled to his own opinion of course, but most of his posts IMO are just looking for a reaction.
Baggies4eva if your such an expert on the Albion you would know why 'sealandair' is relevant to the club.
I am not a wind up merchant, i deal only in Facts ,.
WHO told you this board Roy would be our manager a week before his appointment ?
WHO told you this board he would be gone before the end of this season to take the England job ?
WHO told this board RDM was for the high jump on the saturday night before he got the bullet?
WHO told you all Shane Long was signing ?
Sealandair Thats who.
You lot keephanging on to 'lepko's' every word.. he would saw his right arm off to have my inside knowledge/access to the club.
that is all
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Baggies4eva if your such an expert on the Albion you would know why 'sealandair' is relevant to the club.
I am not a wind up merchant, i deal only in Facts ,.
WHO told you this board Roy would be our manager a week before his appointment ?
WHO told you this board he would be gone before the end of this season to take the England job ?
WHO told this board RDM was for the high jump on the saturday night before he got the bullet?
WHO told you all Shane Long was signing ?
Sealandair Thats who.
You lot keephanging on to 'lepko's' every word.. he would saw his right arm off to have my inside knowledge/access to the club.
that is all
Well here's someone full of themself..
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Hes going to say that with the play-offs coming up
True, but they usually roll out the old "I am manager of X and that is all I am focusing on"
What he actually said sounds as though he could be tempted by the Pride of the West Midlands :-\
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True, but they usually roll out the old "I am manager of X and that is all I am focusing on"
What he actually said sounds as though he could be tempted by the Pride of the West Midlands :-\
Why wouldn't he be compared to the uncertainty and chaos at St Andrews - even if they do get up their financial woes will drawf an increased Prem income.
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what would people think of stuart pearce?
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I'm not confident about it, but let's hope that there's no wrangle regarding the backroom staff as far as the next would-be incumbent is concerned. The head coach needs to choose his assistants - there shouldn't be sentiment about such things in football, it's what happens pretty much everywhere else when there's a managerial change.
If we lost out on the best person for the job because we wanted to dictate who his assistants were to him, I for one would be very unhappy about it.
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what would people think of stuart pearce?
If some fans hated the style of Football that roy put out , then pearce's is 50 times worse. Once season when he was Man City boss they only scored 10 goals at home all season long :o
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I don't know who it will be, but I know who it won't be.
It won't be any manager currently in a job, because there is no way on earth that JP will pay compensation.
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I don't know who it will be, but I know who it won't be.
It won't be any manager currently in a job, because there is no way on earth that JP will pay compensation.
Paid compensation for Di Matteo and Mowbray.
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If some fans hated the style of Football that roy put out , then pearce's is 50 times worse. Once season when he was Man City boss they only scored 10 goals at home all season long :o
wohhh didnt realise that. just saw his name on the odds at 15-1 i think it was. i would love hughton to be our next manager. but cant beleive curbishley is favorite for the job. imo i think our appointment all depends on whether blues come up or not.
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Isnt he out of contract at the end of the season (Hughton) if they dont go up we could really raid blues. Come on Blackpool
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Isnt he out of contract at the end of the season (Hughton) if they dont go up we could really raid blues. Come on Blackpool
He's on a one year rolling contract which means hes contracted for another year from today, tomorrow, next week etc,.
We'll need to pay off that year.
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I think Steve McClaren would be a perfect fit for us.
A very good coach, did a great job with Boro and was awesome at Twente. He knows our type of set up and will be desperate to rebuild his career in England.
England wise he was subject to the same hatchet job from the press that got the mouth breathers on his back that Hodgson will get for not being flash harry.
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I think Steve McClaren would be a perfect fit for us.
A very good coach, did a great job with Boro and was awesome at Twente. He knows our type of set up and will be desperate to rebuild his career in England.
England wise he was subject to the same hatchet job from the press that got the mouth breathers on his back that Hodgson will get for not being flash harry.
Im not too sure about MClaren he was awful at Forest with the same squad that pushed for promotion he would of proberbly got them relegated. But to be fair to the bloke he did do a cracking job at boro if i remember rightly, and at the time they were a mid table premier league club. also got to the europa league final. i would love us to have a major cup run next year. Could Mclaren be the man??
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I think Steve McClaren would be a perfect fit for us.
A very good coach, did a great job with Boro and was awesome at Twente. He knows our type of set up and will be desperate to rebuild his career in England.
England wise he was subject to the same hatchet job from the press that got the mouth breathers on his back that Hodgson will get for not being flash harry.
And run off from Nottingham Forest because they wouldnt let him sign some kid from Belgium so I doubt him and teflon Dan will be compatible?
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I don't think it was quite that simple.
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He's on a one year rolling contract which means hes contracted for another year from today, tomorrow, next week etc,.
We'll need to pay off that year.
Small compensation then. If Blues don't go up it has to be Hughton. The wolly i wouldn't want did a shocking job with forest.
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steve mclaren, derek mcinnes,micheal appelton,steve bruce all a very big NO.people like martinez and rodgers wouldnt come to us but we do need a coach with experience as hodgson proved otherwise our future will be a yoyo again ray wilkins maybe? jp has a massive decision ahead of him which im dreading tbh but hopefully he will come good again time will tell
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Wouldn't want McClaren. I think he is damaged goods as far as managing in this country is concerned. He's a good manager but since his England disaster, will always be looked at as a joke by the media and majority of the public. Not to mention I think he may have seriously cracked up with his adopted dutch accent!!
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Small compensation then. If Blues don't go up it has to be Hughton. The wolly i wouldn't want did a shocking job with forest.
Shocking job with Forest, yet Hodgson wasn't setting the world alight with Liverpool before we got him, look at what he's done with us and for himself!
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steve mclaren, derek mcinnes,micheal appelton,steve bruce all a very big NO.
I dont think he will get the job, but I dont understand people writing off McInnes. He established St Johnstone in the Scottish Prem when they were very poor before he came (bit of a yoyo club) and then worked a near miracle with Bristol City, who were nailed on for relegation before he came. He looks pretty decent to me. I dont suppose he will be in the frame though because he will be perceived as too inexperienced, though he has had a good few years of relative success
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Shocking job with Forest, yet Hodgson wasn't setting the world alight with Liverpool before we got him, look at what he's done with us and for himself!
There's quite a difference between Forest and Liverpool. Mclaren seems like he's too much of a gamble.
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I'd take Martinez, Hughton, Poyet, Ole, someone like that rather than Bruce, Curbishley etc.
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I think Steve McClaren would be a perfect fit for us.
A very good coach, did a great job with Boro and was awesome at Twente. He knows our type of set up and will be desperate to rebuild his career in England.
England wise he was subject to the same hatchet job from the press that got the mouth breathers on his back that Hodgson will get for not being flash harry.
Agreed. He would be on my list of candidates too. We need a 'Head Coach' and he is meant to be an outstanding coach.
I would be happy if McLaren got the job plus I would look forward to hearing his Black Country accent. ;D
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I think 2 of the most likely (and most worrying) have been missed off the list in Appleton and McInnes. Furthermore I think half of that list is completely unrealistic.
In fact I think it is more likely to be a manager from the Championship, lower leagues or Scotland.
The next managerial appointment could make or break our club. For me we have to look for Premier league experience, but I feel it will be another Mowbray/RDM calibre appointment.
Do you think we might go for Gus Poyet, we went for Di Mateo and was successfull for the Championship Campaign we had. I hope its a longterm decision as well, shame about Roy though!
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Pep Guardiola 100/1 with Stan James anyone going to open their wallets
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I think Steve McClaren would be a perfect fit for us.
A very good coach, did a great job with Boro and was awesome at Twente. He knows our type of set up and will be desperate to rebuild his career in England.
England wise he was subject to the same hatchet job from the press that got the mouth breathers on his back that Hodgson will get for not being flash harry.
The immediate knee jerk reaction is no. But that might be an inspired suggestion. If one puts all the rubbish on one side you could see how he might bring to the table the sort experience that we need. If I wrote my own list he wouldnt be first choice but i certainly woudnt rule him out.
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Have also agreed with the majority of votes regarding the top 2. Also my number one choice would be the leading manager in Chris Hughton.
I felt he was very harshly sacked at Newcastle and if i recall they was not doing so bad. Excluding him i did struggle to see one that i would feel confident about keeping us up at least.
My second choice was obviously Roberto Martinez who has experience in the premier league and although sometimes at a squeeze and maybe a bit fortunately he has been keeping Wigan up for a few years. He's renown for a free flowing style of football but as we know that is not always the key to stay in this league. As of late he does seemed to have resolved the defensive issues and Wigan look quite solid and i feel we have a better defence than them. I do see it very unlikely in us taking him from Wigan which is why i have voted him 2nd.
It seems the Birmingham Play off story will play a big part in our huge summer coming up. Potentially our first choice manager should they fail in that challenge and Hughton seeks premiership football, also the matter concerning Ben Foster's future.
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McLaren is interesting. Clearly a good coach but was wrong for the England job. Forest ? Seems financial promises were broken. Villa decided against him after fan backlash but he would have done a far better job than McLeish.
A far better option than Curbishley who has been out of management too long.
I'd include McLaren in my shortlist with Hughton and Martinez.
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sorry, but not after Forest. I don't want the wally anywhere near here. he has only done well in the Dutch league (somehow) so they can keep him
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Ian holloway for me. If not him then hughton or martinez.
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I'd include McLaren in my shortlist with Hughton and Martinez.
In fairness he didn't do a bad job at Middlesbrough.
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As long as the decision isnt too late for the manager to get the whole of pre season in.
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Baggies4eva if your such an expert on the Albion you would know why 'sealandair' is relevant to the club.
I am not a wind up merchant, i deal only in Facts ,.
WHO told you this board Roy would be our manager a week before his appointment ?
WHO told you this board he would be gone before the end of this season to take the England job ?
WHO told this board RDM was for the high jump on the saturday night before he got the bullet?
WHO told you all Shane Long was signing ?
Sealandair Thats who.
You lot keephanging on to 'lepko's' every word.. he would saw his right arm off to have my inside knowledge/access to the club.
that is all
Sounds like a wrestlers speech that does!
Can you smell what Sealandair is cooking!
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The only new, interesting name I've heard on the thread is Ray Wilkins, although I bet Sky are paying him more money than we would.
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Pep Guardiola 100/1 with Stan James anyone going to open their wallets
No ;D
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Ozzie would be fantastic, it would never never happen but as KK said "I would love it"
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The only new, interesting name I've heard on the thread is Ray Wilkins, although I bet Sky are paying him more money than we would.
These days, I can't beyond Uncle Fester when I look at him, which would be a problem for me! ;D
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There seems to be a generation shift atm when you look at the British coaches. On one hand you have the Hodgsons, Curbishleys, Moyes, Fergies, Bruces, Redknapps, Dalglieshs, McLeishs, Hughes, O'Neills etc. The interesting young up and coming ones are from overseas (RdM, Poyet, Martinez), or have experience from abroad like Lambert. Then we have Rodgers, Mackay, Adkins, Powell. But there doesn't seem to be much in between. Guess the old farts have been recycled for too long. I'd like to see someone with a modern take on football.
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The only option which appeals to me is Martinez. I think he has enough PL experience, has kept a team up, plays attacking football and also fits the bill as a young up and coming manager. I think he could help us consolidate whilst simultaneously not bore us with rubbish football.
Whether he would join us is another thing, however. He turned down Villa because he recognised serious problems in a backwards club. It shows he's astute. I think if he is willing to listen to what we have to offer, Peace and Ashworth are capable of the big sell.
Other than Martinez no one else seems a realistic and promising appointment.
We can say what we like about Hodgson, but he's left some damn big shoes to fill here..
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I don't fancy Martinez, I've got used to having a good defence.
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I don't fancy Martinez, I've got used to having a good defence.
It could work in our favour the way Roy inherited an attacking minded team. He shored up our defence and we killed off a lot of teams in good fashion at the back end of last season.
Obviously this is of little point from a long-term perspective, managers eventually make their own mark on a team.
I just feel their is more to come from the guy and our club would suit him well.
Martinez is my man.
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I don't fancy Martinez, I've got used to having a good defence.
Lately Foster has been most of our defence ;)
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Lately Foster has been most of our defence ;)
yes your right, i nearly have a heart attack every time Olsson gets near the ball.
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i havnt read the whole thread so sorry if discussed already...why is Mcinnes not on voting list?
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I see Curbishley is around evens with most of the bookies tonight, with Hughton second favourite at around 7/1.
That rather suggests that Curbishley is well advanced and that JP and DA have been well prepared for this. Evens is incredibly short odds - it would be most unlike the bookies to get it wrong to that extent.
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I'd be surprised if Curbishley comes here, more likely to end up at veela I would have thought.
Its a difficult one to predict because the guy that comes in is walking into something unique really.
Managers only usually change hands at clubs after a bad set of results or to dig a team out of the mire, but the next manager is walking into a mid table team looking on the up, I think yet again we have to trust DA and JP on this one, it might be a household name that we get or it might be a rabbit out of the hat job.
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Sounds like a wrestlers speech that does!
Can you smell what Sealandair is cooking!
He's the Ultimate Keyboard Warrior. He even has the ridiculous tangents of the ultimate warrior. probably does them while staring at a wall too :D
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Baggies4eva if your such an expert on the Albion you would know why 'sealandair' is relevant to the club.
I am not a wind up merchant, i deal only in Facts ,.
WHO told you this board Roy would be our manager a week before his appointment ?
WHO told you this board he would be gone before the end of this season to take the England job ?
WHO told this board RDM was for the high jump on the saturday night before he got the bullet?
WHO told you all Shane Long was signing ?
Sealandair Thats who.
You lot keephanging on to 'lepko's' every word.. he would saw his right arm off to have my inside knowledge/access to the club.
that is all
If he is so in the know can he let me know for sure whom the next manager will be as I want to put a monkey down whilst the odds are good :)
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Just a thought on Curbishley and it could be adding 2 and 2 and getting 5 and it may of been mentioned elsewhere.
JP and Ashworth appear to have a shortlists they work off so we are prepared for when managers, coaches, players, tealadies, etc leave. Didnt Capello leave England just before or around the same time as Mad Mick at the Dingles?
I would imagine at the time Capello left that Albion would of had some incline that Royston would be going to England or a very strong candidate, i wonder if any contact was put to Curbishley around then about sounding him out about the Albion job.
The reason i say that is Curbishley was by all accounts offered the Wolves job 3 times and turned it down, thats a lot of times to be offered one job and keep rejecting and although some may hate to admit it the Wolves is an attractive job, they still at that stage had a decent chance of staying up, they have the ground, fanbase, etc so its not like turning down Stourbridge Town.
I just wondered if he turned down the Dingles knowing full well that the Albion job was coming up in the summer? I have no ITK information but just wondered as he does seem to be high up the next manager on a lot of bookies list.
Then again JP and Ashworth probably have Guardiola at the Moat House for a Cuppa as we speak!
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Just a thought on Curbishley and it could be adding 2 and 2 and getting 5 and it may of been mentioned elsewhere.
JP and Ashworth appear to have a shortlists they work off so we are prepared for when managers, coaches, players, tealadies, etc leave. Didnt Capello leave England just before or around the same time as Mad Mick at the Dingles?
I would imagine at the time Capello left that Albion would of had some incline that Royston would be going to England or a very strong candidate, i wonder if any contact was put to Curbishley around then about sounding him out about the Albion job.
The reason i say that is Curbishley was by all accounts offered the Wolves job 3 times and turned it down, thats a lot of times to be offered one job and keep rejecting and although some may hate to admit it the Wolves is an attractive job, they still at that stage had a decent chance of staying up, they have the ground, fanbase, etc so its not like turning down Stourbridge Town.
I just wondered if he turned down the Dingles knowing full well that the Albion job was coming up in the summer? I have no ITK information but just wondered as he does seem to be high up the next manager on a lot of bookies list.
Then again JP and Ashworth probably have Guardiola at the Moat House for a Cuppa as we speak!
More than likely they have him in The Vine for a Tikka and a Naan :D
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McLaren is interesting. Clearly a good coach but was wrong for the England job. Forest ? Seems financial promises were broken. Villa decided against him after fan backlash but he would have done a far better job than McLeish.
A far better option than Curbishley who has been out of management too long.
I'd include McLaren in my shortlist with Hughton and Martinez.
I would not want McClaren purely because with Nottingham Forest's squad they should no way of been near the relegation zone. He did something seriously wrong there.
Isn't Appleton one of the front-runners (:'()? Where is he on the poll? Seen as this is a "who will be" rather than "who do you want" I voted Hughton and Curbishley, I think they are the two most likely. I would not mind a few of the managers on the list, like Martinez, but think they would not come, realistically.
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I see Curbishley is around evens with most of the bookies tonight, with Hughton second favourite at around 7/1.
That rather suggests that Curbishley is well advanced and that JP and DA have been well prepared for this. Evens is incredibly short odds - it would be most unlike the bookies to get it wrong to that extent.
I would not read too much into the betting markets the amount of money taken will be relatively small so a few big bets on a candidate will see the odds tumbling. Sky went odds on with Curbishley yesterday and are now around evens stick £50 on one of the 20/1 shots and the odds will be 10/1 in a blink of an eye.
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I would not read too much into the betting markets the amount of money taken will be relatively small so a few big bets on a candidate will see the odds tumbling. Sky went odds on with Curbishley yesterday and are now around evens stick £50 on one of the 20/1 shots and the odds will be 10/1 in a blink of an eye.
Yeah when RDM got sacked there was a time when a number of managers were extremely short odds and Hodgson came out of practically nowhere.
I am intrigued to see who voted Dean Kiely and why :P
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why isnt Derek Mcinnes on the list?
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why isnt Derek Mcinnes on the list?
Why isn't Osavaldo Ardilles on the list? ???
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We all have differing views as to who we want to be our new manager
Its a definate no no from me with McLaren and Bruce
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Why isn't Osavaldo Ardilles on the list? ???
spurs is his first love mate
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I wonder if Mick is applying?
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I wonder if Mick is applying?
I'd take him on. he could do the interviews on Albion player/world thingy.
He'd be more entertaining than the guy who is on there at the minute. :o
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Here's a thought; when we were relegated under Robson, or even Mowbray, if you'd had a crystal ball and were told just a few years later we'd be humming and ha-ing about whether Alan Curbishley was really the sort of manager we wanted, I think you'd have been quite impressed!!
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Curbishley was odds on for the dingles so i wouldnt really read too much into the betting!
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The more I think about it the more I am swaying towards Curbishley. We have tried inexperience and it got us nowhere. Roy was the first man with the experience and know how to come in and turn things around. I think Curbs would be a very similar appointment. His record is decent at Prem level. I wouldn't be too disappointed with Hughton but is he really any better than RDM? Similar experience and achievements really.
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Just heard Sven on talksport talking about the England job and he said he would like to get back into work. Not saying I would want him, my first choice is Hughton, but would certainly be an interesting option. He had a good record with England and didn't do that bad at City and only left because of problems with the owners. Also said he's good friend with Hodgson so would be able to find out a lot about the club and would work with a Sporting Director.
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I have been keeping an eye on the odds over the last few days, and out of nowhere Jose Camacho (ex real madrid, spain, benfica and current china boss) has shot into 3rd favorite, but the only site offering odds on him is bodog, our kit sponsor - do they have inside info?
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one risky but an exciting appointment would be Lee Clark, went so many games unbeaten and was very unfortunate to get the sack, lack of prem experience would worry me though
would love martinez but if he didnt go to villa why would he come to us, only way i can see this happening is with wigan going down
remember the 'head coach' role is something that will put a lot of the experienced managers off
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Camacho has been there or thereabouts from the start with only Bodog offering odds like you say. But his odds have shortened from 10/1 down to 4/1. He was 5th or 6th favourite on Bodog up to 3rd now.
Curbishley's odds have drifted out a bit today from even money out to 3/1. Chris Hughton's odds have shortend from about 6/1 down to 4/1.
So it looks like overnight money has gone on Hughton and Camacho (but just on Bodog)..
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I have changed my mind. I would like to see Glenn Hoddle and Ray Wilkins at the Albion and by god would i be excited with that combination
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I have changed my mind. I would like to see Glenn Hoddle and Ray Wilkins at the Albion
Oh no you cant say that!! you troll!!! :P
Good to see someone else talking sense.
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Camacho is on $8mil a year. Whats that around £4.5 or 5mil sterling?
Miles out of our league I'd say.
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McCarthy's odds have dropped to 20/1.
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Glenn Hoddle? Not only has he been out of professional management for a good few years now, he was shocking for wolves and left them near ruin (a positive but not one we should employ him for) and wasn't much good for Spurs before that either.
There's serious questions, and has always been, about his man management skills.
Oh no you cant say that!! you troll!!! :p
Good to see someone else talking sense.
You've recommended Hoddle, Jones (notably two ex-wolves managers) Jewell (manager of the worst premier league side ever), Keegan, Warnock (who no albion fan would seriously recommend), Billy Davies (also manager of worst premier league side ever, and unpopular with most albion fans), phil brown, and Strachan.
If you'd just recommended one or two questionable managers then fair enough, but its like a who's who of bad managers.
Clearly a Wolves fans on the wind up. As shown kind of by the fact you registered when it became clear Hodgson was leaving.
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Well Dan. I bet you any money the people i have mentioned are much more likely than some of the names said on this thread. Alot of managers are not popular choices but they are still the RIGHT choices.
What do you think the newcastle fans would of thought at the possibility of pardew managing them before he was appointed? They would of laughed in the faces of people suggesting it, and yes called them WUM or something. Now look at him, hes done a fantastic job and is loved by the fans, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt but whoever it is we should get behind the manager.
And don't insult me please by even thinking i am a wolves fan - that's more laughable than any of the names you dont like who i said.
One person who hasn't yet been thought of and who is in a similar mold to Roy is George Graham. He's got tons of experience and would set the team up similar to Roy. Thoughts?
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And don't insult me please by even thinking i am a wolves fan - that's more laughable than any of the names you dont like who i said.
One person who hasn't yet been thought of and who is in a similar mold to Roy is George Graham. He's got tons of experience and would set the team up similar to Roy. Thoughts?
Even my mate who is a Wolves fan reckons you're a Wolf on a wind-up.
It would be ironic if right, because with Moxey's football knowledge, some of the people you suggest are more likely to be managing the Dingles than us next season.
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Well Dan. I bet you any money the people i have mentioned are much more likely than some of the names said on this thread. Alot of managers are not popular choices but they are still the RIGHT choices.
What do you think the newcastle fans would of thought at the possibility of pardew managing them before he was appointed? They would of laughed in the faces of people suggesting it, and yes called them WUM or something. Now look at him, hes done a fantastic job and is loved by the fans, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt but whoever it is we should get behind the manager.
And don't insult me please by even thinking i am a wolves fan - that's more laughable than any of the names you dont like who i said.
One person who hasn't yet been thought of and who is in a similar mold to Roy is George Graham. He's got tons of experience and would set the team up similar to Roy. Thoughts?
LOL George Graham and the picture of Roy as an owl - That is the icing on the cake! Definetly a wind up merchant ;D Carry on though, you are amusing.
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Avram Grant? :o
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one risky but an exciting appointment would be Lee Clark, went so many games unbeaten and was very unfortunate to get the sack, lack of prem experience would worry me
I can't see it, from what I've heard he is very much from the Gary Megson school of management. Can't see him working within our structure nor our players being happy with some of his 'ways'. His record is good but things that happened behind closed doors have tarnished his reputation within some quarters of the game and is probably the reason why no club has really shown a serious interest in him as yet.
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There is a difference between naming a few bizarre candidates, and having every single one you've named been extremely bizarre, and often extremely unpopular with Albion fans. That and other posts like having a heart attack when Olsson gets near the ball, that'd be Olsson who is clearly one of our best players.
The George Graham suggestion surely just confirms the wind up. A 67 year old who's last job was 11 years ago. I'm just waiting for you to recommend Terry Connor.
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Lee Clark would be too much of a risk. Wolves can have him
We need experienced not rookies
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wbaindevon, i noticed your signature, you was born on oak road, i live near by, maybe we should hook up some time before a match.
Dan, they may be unpopular on paper, but in reality they could work and well within our range. As i said before, you think pardew was popular with newcastle fans before his appointment? Or even haughton before him? Or Moyes when he was at preston before his appointment at everton? Or Atkins as southampton?
These are just some examples of people who was extremely unpopular choices before managing there teams and doing a great job, and just because i am new on here and think out of the box, i am a WUM or even worse a wolves fan? lol please...
"u" counts as text speak. Please use the correct term which is "you"
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Lets give Alan Buckley another chance? He's still alive, I think.
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wbaindevon, i noticed your signature, you live near oak road, i live near by, maybe we should hook up some time before a match.
Dan, they may be unpopular on paper, but in reality they could work and well within our range. As i said before, u think pardew was popular with newcastle fans before his appointment? Or even haughton before him? Or Moyes when he was at preston before his appointment at everton? Or Atkins as southampton?
These are just some examples of people who was extremely unpopular choices before managing there teams and doing a great job, and just because i am new on here and think out of the box, i am a WUM or even worse a wolves fan? lol please...
I was born and bred in Oak Road.I live in a better climate now, its called Exmouth 8)
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Can we cut the petty squabbling out then, you're supposed to be grown men. How about acting like it instead of having another topic descend into a school pay-ground.
There are a few posters we are keeping an eye on so if anyone is on the wind-up it would be an idea to stop
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Can we cut the petty squabbling out then, you're supposed to be grown men. How about acting like it instead of having another topic descend into a school pay-ground.
There are a few posters we are keeping an eye on so if anyone is on the wind-up it would be an idea to stop
Ark at the MI6 here ;D It's amusing to an certain extent but some people struggle with the banter.
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I'm not sure whether this has already been mentioned but apparently one of the reasons Hodgson was preferred to Hughton was because Hughton wanted to bring in his own back room staff whereas Roy was content to work with our existing set-up. I'm not certain this story has any foundation to it; although I do remember it being mentioned at the time, but if was true, would that affect our next appointment? Surely if this was the case wouldn't Hughton still want to bring his own staff in this time around? (assuming he is in contention.) As a club will we allow the next manager to replace our current coaches? Is it a sticking point?
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I'm not sure whether this has already been mentioned but apparently one of the reasons Hodgson was preferred to Hughton was because Hughton wanted to bring in his own back room staff whereas Roy was content to work with our existing set-up. I'm not certain this story has any foundation to it; although I do remember it being mentioned at the time, but if was true, would that affect our next appointment? Surely if this was the case wouldn't Hughton still want to bring his own staff in this time around? (assuming he is in contention.) As a club will we allow the next manager to replace our current coaches? Is it a sticking point?
I remember that. But at that time we had appleton.
I don't think that would apply know, but I could be wrong?
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Ark at the MI6 here ;D It's amusing to an certain extent but some people struggle with the banter.
:D I'd do well there mate, always suss out the dodgy ones, there's some on here we know are banned, they think we don't know but we do.
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Is a young up and coming manager what we need? Its took an old head to steady the ship after the whipper snappers have had a go.
I think we should be looking at a more established manager at this level.
Half of me says give it to a Chris Houton type and half says give it to a Curbishley type, whichever way we go its got the tongues wagging aye it? :P
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Early days but these would be my top three so far
1.Hughton-Worked wonders at Blues with everybodys cast offs (with great respect) and has built a solid side.
Not only that he built a decent Newcastle side with some difficult characters in it.Down side is im not sure he alone could attract bigger name players.
2.Curbishley-Great success at Charlton but more to the point is from the Roy style of play so we wouldn't have to change things 100%.Down side is he has been gone a long time from the game.
3.Laudrup-Young exciting coach who likes to play with style,could attract bigger names.I'm not sure if we would gamble on a newbie to the Premier with so much at stake.
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I remember that. But at that time we had appleton.
I don't think that would apply know, but I could be wrong?
That's true he was valued highly by the club. I'm not sure the club would have any ambitions to replace our other coaches though.
Just to highlight an example; I believe Curbishley wanted to bring in his own staff in at Wolves, however Wolves wanted to keep their current staff (I have no idea why ;D) this prevented him getting the job there.
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Alan Cleverley just been interviewed on TalkSport and he said he would like to see Chris Hughton.That should annoy the Blues fans listening :)
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Is a young up and coming manager what we need? Its took an old head to steady the ship after the whipper snappers have had a go.
I think we should be looking at a more established manager at this level.
Half of me says give it to a Chris Houton type and half says give it to a Curbishley type, whichever way we go its got the tongues wagging aye it? :P
Hughton is around the same age as Curbishley, I hope we go for Hughton personally, worked under 10 different managers at spurs as assistant for ten years, thats some experience alone. Did a decent job at Newcastle, the fans hated the fact he was sacked and even protested. Had a interview with us and Peace admired him highly, but was just a bad time with us wanting to keep backroom staff and Roy being available. Gone to Birmingham and now doing a decent job with them.
I cant see it being anyone other than Chris, the only problem might be if Birmingham get promoted, he may not want to move. Though I still think its a possibility, he may actually find it refreshing coming to a club that has no off the field problems.
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All you AVB lovers are going to be disappointed, looks like he is going to be Roma's new gaffer next season! ......Peace's fault for acting too slow and letting someone get in there before us ;)
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I do think it's odd how there has been no mention on any message boards regarding Jose Camacho yet our spons Bodog put him on very short odds of 4-1. In my opinion he has made it onto DA and JP's shortlist.
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I do think it's odd how there has been no mention on any message boards regarding Jose Camacho yet our spons Bodog put him on very short odds of 4-1. In my opinion he has made it onto DA and JP's shortlist.
As someone has already said pick an outside candidate put £20 and watch his odds shorten drastically. That probably explains it.
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Did a decent job at Newcastle, the fans hated the fact he was sacked and even protested.
The same fans i guess who protested at him being appointed in the first place.
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Early days but these would be my top three so far
2.Curbishley-Great success at Charlton but more to the point is from the Roy style of play so we wouldn't have to change things 100%.Down side is he has been gone a long time from the game.
September 2008 when he left West Ham. Have things changed that much since?
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I can't see it, from what I've heard he is very much from the Gary Megson school of management. Can't see him working within our structure nor our players being happy with some of his 'ways'. His record is good but things that happened behind closed doors have tarnished his reputation within some quarters of the game and is probably the reason why no club has really shown a serious interest in him as yet.
thanks, had no idea of anything like that i just watched and admired how well Huddersfield were doing and that unbeaten streak is impressive which ever way you look at it but if he is 'that way' i cant see it going down well with people like pete and yes i agree wouldn't fit in with the set-up we have
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I think everyone we get linked with is going to have pro and cons, Mourinho or Guardiola arent going to join us so whoever comes will have some drawback. (turns out Guardiola werent in the Moat House or The Vine today with JP and Ashworth!)
Regarding Lee Clark, i am pretty sure the Huddersfield fans were glad he got sacked wasnt they? I think they had that massive unbeaten run but a big chunk of that was draws and by all accounts from when he first started he had them playing good stuff to when he left they were boring, i remember reading they said he started to get obsessed about the unbeaten run and did everything to set them up to stop them losing.
Saying that he deserves another chance, if it was with us he would have my full support, although his voice (not his accent) really grates me!
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Apart from CH who continues to do a great job wherever he is, I'd like to see us give some serious thought to Paul Lambert. In the short time that he's been a manager he's done incredibly well. He, like CH is used to making the best out of limited resources and I am a great admirer of the way in which he deals with players and the media.
There's no doubt that we need someone with a strong personality who ensures that sides are well organised and who can give positive leadership even though they're working in limited circumstances; either of these would fit the bill for me.
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How about our old player Martin Jol. I believe he could do a good job for us
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How about our old player Martin Jol. I believe he could do a good job for us
If he was unattached then possibly but Fulham to us would be a sidewards if not backwards step IMO.
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How about our old player Martin Jol. I believe he could do a good job for us
He's only just joined Fulham.
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Just having a look at the latest betting odds. Zola at 20/1? not a bad shout, didn't do alot wrong at west ham and there fans didn't want him to go, plus the football was good.
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would love to see CH. would welcome lambert. Cant see why martinez would come to us when surely his name is being passed around bigger clubs. Curbishley? Please, we just got lucky and got rid of one boring manager.
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No way Curbishley could ever work within our structure or with JP, a complete non starter for me!!
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I wouldnt want Curbs been out of managment for half a decade now.
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Controversial
Dan Ashworth ?
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Curbishley sued West Ham for £1M after he resigned on the grounds of constructive dismissal at a time when they were struggling financially. For me a big NO.
Hughton would be a good appointment, did a good job at Newcastle and working wonders at Blues.
Laudrup in his time was one of the best players in the world. Working with the likes of Pete, Mozza and Dorrans would bring the best out of them. Would be an exciting appointment.
Martinez, Lambert and Atkins I don`t think would move to us plus there`s issues with large compensation payments.
RDM, would he come back if he does`nt get the Chelsea job. He will be older and wiser and i`m sure most supporters would welcome him back.
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Controversial
Dan Ashworth ?
No way we are going to rock our setup like that. DA is perfect where he is. Let's get a new progressive coach to go with our progressive club.
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Controversial
Dan Ashworth ?
I'm sure if Dan wanted to be a coach then he would have gone down that route.
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Di Matteo..i tell thee!
Hughton,is the standout appointment for me..his attention to detail is second to none
the idea I'm warming too is Laudrup..
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Hughton! does any body remember his toon side that got beat at out place, because all they did was lump it up to carrol, reminded me of Mowbray, no plan B, id love to see Brendon Rogers up the Albion he can get a team playing, but i cant see him leaving swansea for love nor money, Hughton!! no thanks!!
im realy f*****g worried, we've grown steadly since megson and i fear tough times are ahead because how do you better Roy hodgson
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I wouldnt want Curbs been out of managment for half a decade now.
3 and a half years actually. I'm not sure that matters anyway. How has the game changed since then?
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3 and a half years actually. I'm not sure that matters anyway. How has the game changed since then?
yeah Albion are tenth, would love to keep it that way
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No one has mentioned Mike Phelan. He'd get a hero's welcome from his playing days with us ;D. He'd want his old mate Steve Lillwall as his no 2
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in terms of chir hughton
Like previous messages i seem to remember the issue with wanting to bring in his backroom staff when we already had appleton.
But then compare and contrast hughton's record both at newcastle and birmingham with or without colin calderwood.
If it is hughton, it has to be Hughton plus one please!!!
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Would nobody be interested in having Tony Mowbray back , we had Carson in goal when he was at the Albion ? Mowbray with foster might work wonders ;)
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Would nobody be interested in having Tony Mowbray back , we had Carson in goal when he was at the Albion ? Mowbray with foster might work wonders ;)
Definitely. If it wasn't for Carson Mowbray would right now be regarded as the greatest manager to have ever lived.
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Definitely. If it wasn't for Carson Mowbray would right now be regarded as the greatest manager to have ever lived.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit ;D
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Would nobody be interested in having Tony Mowbray back , we had Carson in goal when he was at the Albion ? Mowbray with foster might work wonders ;)
traitor thats what he is mate
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Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit ;D
I was worried there for a minute. ;D
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Quick glance at oddschecker,seems Hughton :D is now favourite with many bookies.Would also seem there has been support for Martinez :-\and Bruce >:(!!
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Lets be realistic here we wont get Hughton
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Lets be realistic here we wont get Hughton
If Blues don't go up then there is every chance we will get Hughton if we want him.
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Alan Cleverley just been interviewed on TalkSport and he said he would like to see Chris Hughton.That should annoy the Blues fans listening :)
Has he had bluetooth fitted on his horse then?
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Another question that hasn't been mentioned, is WHEN do you think we'll appoint?
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Has he had bluetooth fitted on his horse then?
Does anybody know why he always wears that hat??
I agree with WBAinDevon, i really cannot see Hughton coming to us.
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Another question that hasn't been mentioned, is WHEN do you think we'll appoint?
As soon as it is convenient. If its Haughton then obviously it wont be until birmingham finish there playoffs. Only a couple weeks to go of the season so no harm in waiting a bit longer.
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Its really getting on my nerves now:
Its Hughton
Not:
Haughton or Hughton
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How about Delio Rossi? ;D
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11854/7725327/Rossi-axed-for-Ljajic-attack (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11854/7725327/Rossi-axed-for-Ljajic-attack)
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Would have thought all 4 of the managers involved with the play offs will be under consideration,so that would make any decision the middle of next week at the earliest if it is to be any one of them.
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We need someone with Premier League experience. Rafa Benitez? ;)
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Another question that hasn't been mentioned, is WHEN do you think we'll appoint?
A soon as the cheque from the f.a. Is cashed :D
Seriously there will always have been a succession plan and evn now they will be looking at the next one , it won't be Bruce ,curbishley, or MacLeish (sorry vile fans) but it will be some one who has been considered and monitored for some time.
Solskear, poyet,mcinnes all maybe if it was next year but I think they will want a touch more experience which should put Hughton! Rdm,laudrap and maybe a couple of the continent in the box set, also whoever comes in has to work in our continental system which definitely rules out the three dinosaurs..
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Would have thought all 4 of the managers involved with the play offs will be under consideration,so that would make any decision the middle of next week at the earliest if it is to be any one of them.
I wouldn't have through Allardyce or Holloway are. Neither are our kind of Manager for very differing reasons.
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Hughton! does any body remember his toon side that got beat at out place, because all they did was lump it up to carrol, reminded me of Mowbray, no plan B, id love to see Brendon Rogers up the Albion he can get a team playing, but i cant see him leaving swansea for love nor money, Hughton!! no thanks!!
im realy f*****g worried, we've grown steadly since megson and i fear tough times are ahead because how do you better Roy hodgson
I totally agree, i have major concerns, how do you top having the England manager....
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I have confidence the board will find a good manager for us. Thing is I know my biases and prejudices cloud my judgement while the board has a good track record, has learnt from past mistakes, and most importantly get to grill the candidates.
For example I wondered what Newcastle was up to when they sacked Hughton and installed Pardew. Turns out they had a plan, Pardew had spent his time out of the game wisely, basically analyzing and copying a lot of Mourinho's Chelsea methods, and then they cleared out the overpaid players and brought in genuine talent from the continent.
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Turns out they had a plan
Mike Ashley having a plan? Lets not go over board here, he got lucky with pardew who was an extremely unpopular choice amongst fans. All i can say is, whoever is the next manager, like it or not we support him 100% - even if it is Iain Dowie (obviously not - just saying).
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I'd be happy with a cheeky bid to speak to Martin Jol Fulham fans were a bit unhappy with him when he first came.
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I'd love to see Jol here, he was very positive about the club when we beat them 2-0 when he was Spurs manager, but I can't see him leaving Fulham after a year.
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Mike Ashley having a plan? Lets not go over board here, he got lucky with pardew who was an extremely unpopular choice amongst fans. All i can say is, whoever is the next manager, like it or not we support him 100% - even if it is Iain Dowie (obviously not - just saying).
It's no fluke Newcastle have found such gems from Europe, they deserve all the accolades they can get for unearthing the gems they have. Ba, Cabaye, Cissè, Ben Arfa are superb signings - compare with the flops Arsenal and Liverpool have been signing lately. The superb scouting is not down to Pardew alone. But Pardew has improved the team immeasurably since just last year - remember the Tchoyi hattrick?
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I agree, think Mike Ashley has done a great job at Newcastle including the decision to go with Pardew when everyone thought Hughton was doing a great job (which he was) Pardew has took them up another level with some good signings, they are entertaining, and i personally have started to like Newcastle again, i think they went through a phase of feeling football owed them something and the world loved them (ie - like West Ham) but now they are back to normal and likeable again! The geordies are a good lot!
As for Ashley he got loads of stick, the cockney mafia, etc and no doubt he has made mistakes but he has also turned them round from been a resting home for mercenaries - Viduka, Owen, etc to name a couple that lost money hand over foot to being well organised and a club on the up, fair play to him. Even though he changed the name of the ground every football fan still knows its St James so although it will of brought them in a few quid it dont really affect their identity.
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I'd love it if RDM came back. He hasn't stopped learning since he left us and is getting better and better. Bring him back!
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I'm finding too many objections to most of the main candidates.
I think we should be looking at Michael Laudrup.
He might not have Premiership experience, but he now has enough management experience.
I think his football style would suit us and he's our 'type' of manager. I'm sure he would accept a chance to manager a top-flight premiership team such as ours. ;)
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I'm happy for you to take McLeish off our hands :D
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Something is happening in the betting market.
Yesterday, Curbishley was on average around evens to 6/4, while Hughton was more like 4/1. Today, Curbishley is out at around 3/1 on average, while Hughton has dropped to around 7/4 on average. An across-the-board shift like that means that there has been a wave of new money on Hughton, which is usually linked to somebody influential being "in the know".
Bear in mind that Blues haven't yet played their first leg semi-final play-off, so there is no influence from that.
Something is bubbling....
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We need someone with Premier League experience. Rafa Benitez? ;)
Is that a serious suggestion? :)
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I'm happy for you to take McLeish off our hands :D
Pay us £20m and we'll take him, sack him immediately and invest the balance in the squad!
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Where has this Jose Camacho come from? Bodog offering 4/1. he;s China manager apparantly.
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I'd love it if RDM came back. He hasn't stopped learning since he left us and is getting better and better. Bring him back!
I really don't get the RDM thing - any assistant manager who stepped into AVB's place would have gone on this run and won some games. It's very different running a team of seasoned internationals than running the Albion.
The only thing that RDM learned at Chelsea is when all the top multimillionaires throw their little dollies out of the pram, is to pick it up, put it back and give their little arms a rub and make sure they are ok. Then pick the team they want every week.
So RDM has learned one thing - and he was just in the right place at the right time.
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I'm happy for you to take McLeish off our hands :D
You ungrateful bugger, after what we did for you last week so you could keep him. ;)
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Where has this Jose Camacho come from? Bodog offering 4/1. he;s China manager apparantly.
AM now living in Spain and he has been mentioned over here as somebody that as somebody that may be in the job.Was a Spanish international as aplayer and without using wiki or google feel he may have coached Sociedad or Osasuna or somebody like that.
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Hughton! does any body remember his toon side that got beat at out place, because all they did was lump it up to carrol, reminded me of Mowbray, no plan B,
Hughton obviosly played to Carrol's strengths. A good manager manages with what he has got. Roy spent most of his time trying to get Albion players to play in a style that didn't suit them. In my book that is poor management. Bet Liverpool fans wish Dalglish would play to Carrol's strengths after wasting 50 mil on him.
If I remember rightly Newcastle beat us to the title that year too and certainly didn't do it as the long ball specialists.
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Hughton obviosly played to Carrol's strengths. A good manager manages with what he has got. Roy spent most of his time trying to get Albion players to play in a style that didn't suit them. In my book that is poor management. Bet Liverpool fans wish Dalglish would play to Carrol's strengths after wasting 50 mil on him.
If I remember rightly Newcastle beat us to the title that year too and certainly didn't do it as the long ball specialists.
I sometimes wonder how we got to 10th with such a poor manager!?
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I sometimes wonder how we got to 10th with such a poor manager!?
I often wonder that but then i know the answer
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Have faith in JP and Dan Ashworth. So far when the job has been available they have not let us down. I favour Hughton or Curbishley. Both are realistic as Blues even if they come up have a transfer embargo so will probably go straight back down again so Hughtin may decide to leave anyway. Curbishley is experienced but my fear is that he has been out of the game for too long. Martinez would also do for me but I think we are unlikely to get him. However as I say have faith in the men making the decisions. Also a big thanks to Roy for all he has done in stabilising us in the Prem
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Martinez will not leave Wigan for WBA. I don't understand why so many people want him anyway. Can't see Rogers or Lambert moving. Hughton or Poyet may be more realistic and I wouldn't mind either of them.
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Martinez will not leave Wigan for WBA. I don't understand why so many people want him anyway. Can't see Rogers or Lambert moving. Hughton or Poyet may be more realistic and I wouldn't mind either of them.
Poyet's buy-out clause is pretty big by all accounts. I agree that Martinez won't see joining West Brom as a massive step up from Wigan. It's going to be tough, whoever joins. In an ideal world, Roy Hodgson would have solidified us for another couple of seasons, in the Premier League before departing. I can't really see past Hughton, but then I do have slight reservations with him, unless we spring a surprise and look abroad for a Coach who fits our set-up.
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looks like Capello then, he wants a job in the Prem.
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Martinez will not leave Wigan for WBA. I don't understand why so many people want him anyway. Can't see Rogers or Lambert moving. Hughton or Poyet may be more realistic and I wouldn't mind either of them.
Agree with all you say
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Have faith in JP and Dan Ashworth. So far when the job has been available they have not let us down.
I agree totally.
We just have to have faith.
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looks like Capello then, he wants a job in the Prem.
Would be a great appointment but he has said he wants to manage a team who will be playing Champions League football so he has got his eye on the Chelsea job.
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Any comments from Blues fans about style of football played under Hughton ? Are we talking Barcelona, Stoke or hopefully somewhere in between ?
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Some money has gone on Solskjaer overnight with a few bookies. He's down to 10/1 with Sky Bet.
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Any comments from Blues fans about style of football played under Hughton ? Are we talking Barcelona, Stoke or hopefully somewhere in between ?
I've made the point before about Hughton's football. He's very similar to Roy IMO based on what I have seen off his teams and from the comments of Newcastle and Birmingham fans. Like Roy he appears to favour an organised 442 and whilst he's by no means a 'long ball' manager he certainly doesn't get his teams playing free flowing football ala Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez. It's why I am surprised to see some of those who slated RH's style of football clamouring for a manger who is, IMO, of a very similar mould.
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Some money has gone on Solskjaer overnight with a few bookies. He's down to 10/1 with Sky Bet.
Solskjaer would be an extremely exciting appointment, as would Michael Laudrup. However, just because they are exciting it doesn't necessarily mean that they would be the right appointments. Both would represent a 'risk' given their lack of experience of managing in this country and at this level but both appear to have a lot of potential. The likes of Hughton and Curbishley may not inspire the masses but both have proved that they can cut it at this level and may be the safer option.
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The only time I have ever been excited by an appointment was Tony Mowbray. Roy Hodgson was seen as a safe pair of hands but not exciting.
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Now this might seem a real stretch but I bet against hodgson turning up. Looking at some other clubs, their finances and the challanges they continue to face, my number 1 choice is obviously not listed. Could we push the boat out and try "David Moyes!". Que lots of no chance comments but I don't think we would miss Roy as much if it happened. Pehaps its a pipe dream.
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Now this might seem a real stretch but I bet against hodgson turning up. Looking at some other clubs, their finances and the challanges they continue to face, my number 1 choice is obviously not listed. Could we push the boat out and try "David Moyes!". Que lots of no chance comments but I don't think we would miss Roy as much if it happened. Pehaps its a pipe dream.
I don't think we would be an unattractive option for him if he wasn't at a very good club already. He will go on to possibly manage Man Utd next.
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David Moyes, Capello and AVB? How our expectations have changed eh? Im looking forward to the transfer rumour threads on here when the window opens because if we think we are going to attract this calibre of manager then god knows what kind of players people think we should be attracting!! ;D
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We could try and get Mourinho because he might be able to bring Ronaldo with him aswell :D
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West Bromwich Albions attempt to sign Chris Hughton may be thwarted if Hughton gains promotion to the premier league with Birmingham. With Portsmouth having a "Hands Off" approach and Poyet stating he'll only leave Brighton for a big club, The Baggies will turn to Gary Megson to re-take the reigns. Solid Source
ummmm i hope thats not true.....
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West Bromwich Albions attempt to sign Chris Hughton may be thwarted if Hughton gains promotion to the premier league with Birmingham. With Portsmouth having a "Hands Off" approach and Poyet stating he'll only leave Brighton for a big club, The Baggies will turn to Gary Megson to re-take the reigns. Solid Source
ummmm i hope thats not true.....
:D more chance of platting fog :D
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West Bromwich Albions attempt to sign Chris Hughton may be thwarted if Hughton gains promotion to the premier league with Birmingham. With Portsmouth having a "Hands Off" approach and Poyet stating he'll only leave Brighton for a big club, The Baggies will turn to Gary Megson to re-take the reigns. Solid Source
ummmm i hope thats not true.....
Highly doubt Megson will work under Peace again after the last time.
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West Bromwich Albions attempt to sign Chris Hughton may be thwarted if Hughton gains promotion to the premier league with Birmingham. With Portsmouth having a "Hands Off" approach and Poyet stating he'll only leave Brighton for a big club, The Baggies will turn to Gary Megson to re-take the reigns. Solid Source
ummmm i hope thats not true.....
Ha Ha Ha - That will never happen. SGM is a God, but no way would Peace re-appoint him.
I still feel we will appoint Hughton and regardless I think both Poyet & Appleton would jump at the chance to manage a steady club in the Premier league.
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Bolton boss Gary Megson reveals hatred for West Brom chairman Jeremy Peace
Megson fumed: "You will never hear me mention his name. I never have and I never will. I don't want to sully myself. I will never get over how I think he treated me and my family. I don't want to mention anything more about the bloke." - 2008
I think its safe to say that 'Solid Source' is prolly sitting in someones toilet bowl.
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Spot on Floydy!!
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Back to Hughton's style of football, is he cagey ?
goals scored by Championship top 5
Reading 69
Southampton 85
West Ham 71
Birmingham 78
Blackpool 79
Stats can be misleading and it is the Championship but given that he took over a side that weren't free scoring under McLeish, the goal return is pretty good.
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Word is ranieri. Probably bull but thoughts?
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Word is ranieri. Probably bull but thoughts?
Anyone but Steve Bull mate :D ;)
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Word is ranieri. Probably bull but thoughts?
Interesting because his odds have been slashed in the last few moments on oddschecker.
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Interesting because his odds have been slashed in the last few moments on oddschecker.
Just checked myself, looks like might have some substance!
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Interesting because his odds have been slashed in the last few moments on oddschecker.
6/4 with corals :o :o now i know bookies aren't usually generous but bloody hell thats squeezing it til the pips squeak!!
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6/4 with corals :o :o now i know bookies aren't usually generous but bloody hell thats squeezing it til the pips squeak!!
I know, my mate works there and he is shocked!
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I posted a BBC article on an earlier page about how Ranieri wanted a good project in the Premier League, something he can work on and build. I think we have just that and DA and JP could easily sell the club to him. He is desperate to get a job back in the prem and lets be honest, none of the top 6 clubs are going to hire him any time soon. I think there is a chance this could happen.
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Would be amazing, cant see it myself though
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Ranieri would be brilliant at the Hawthorns. Would be my first choice, however seems unlikely. I saw that Jose Camacho was at 6/1 with Bodog.... inside knowledge?? I wouldn't want him as he has failed in most jobs he has been in. China haven't qualified for the world cup, he took Osasuna down and he was awful at Real Madrid.
Still think it'll be Hughton though.
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Apparently Delio Rossi hit Ljajic for poking fun at his disabled kid. Seems like a vindicated assault to me. We want somebody with this authority, sign him up!
I cannot see Ranieri coming.
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ranieri is too good to be true!!
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Why wouldn't Ranieri come? He's a good manager, not a world class manager. To get to that next step we need a good manager (like Ranieri) there isn't much of a difference between him and Hodgson in my opinion.
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Seem to remember him struggling with the English language but cant remember if it improved and he was without a translator when he left Chelsea.
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Seem to remember him struggling with the English language but cant remember if it improved and he was without a translator when he left Chelsea.
I think he still continues with lessons and the last English interview I saw of him he done quite well without a translator. It's safe to say his English is better than Capello but he's no Mancini or Di Matteo.
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I think he still continues with lessons and the last English interview I saw of him he done quite well without a translator. It's safe to say his English is better than Capello but he's no Mancini or Di Matteo.
I still cant understand Mancini myself :D
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He did a pre match interview outside the Man City ground before the Man Utd match, his english seemed much better
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If not he can always bring in 'Butch' Wilkins with him. ;D
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I like Ranieri, for some reason he always makes me laugh (not that we should appoint him for that reason!) and he seems a genuine passionate bloke who loves football.
However, i wouldnt say he wont become our manager, but i would be surprised (but pleased) if he did. I dont think its necessarily the fact we arent a top 6 club or not in europe, i think managers do sometimes look past that, its the fact we wont offer massive funds for him or whoever the manager is and they would get paid very well but probably not what they were used to. I am sure i read Roy came to us on a lot lower than his Liverpool salary as he had his payoff from there, that could work with a 'bigger name' manager.
I think clubs of similar ilk to us Fulham, Sunderland, Stoke all probably about equals playing wise can offer managers big fat chequebooks to get cracking with, Fulham, and Sunderland managers went there because they are big spenders or have the potential to be and the same would apply to QPR (if they stay up) West Ham (if they come up) Reading could too if they got rid of there manager and Stoke spend big (but well) under Pulis.
Its not a criticism of the way we are run, its not a lack of ambition either i just cannot see a big name coming to us, i think Roy did with one eye on England and its fair to say it paid off!
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I thhink the obvious stand out choice is Chris Hughton, he in my opinion has the potential to be better than Hodgson, he would be cheaper and he has experience at working with little amounts of money. If Birmingham stay down he would be tempted as he wouldnt have to leave the area. Even if Birmingham come up he would be tempted as inevitably he's fighting a losing battle there.
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I must admit I can't get too excited about the prospect of Hughton coming here. He did well at Newcastle but who wouldn't have got their squad promoted. Mid table after about a dozen games in the Prem, again pretty respectable but we started the season off like a train too under RDM. He was extremely unfortunate to be sacked but the board must have had some concerns at the time. Again a decent job at Blues under the circumstances but they do still have a decent squad. I worry about his lack of top flight managerial experience. I know people have to start somewhere and the likes of Rodgers and Lambert have done well this season. Is he really any better than RDM? There isn't really a stand out candidate for me TBH.
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Go get the tinker man JP :P :P
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http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7731030/
West Brom assistant Keith Downing does not want to succeed Roy Hodgson as manager but refused to rule out the possibility of following him to England.
The former Birmingham and Wolves midfielder joined the Baggies as youth team coach in July 2009 and has worked alongside Hodgson as No2 since his arrival in January 2011.
With Hodgson preparing to leave the club at the end of the season in order to take charge of England, speculation has already begun regarding possible replacements at the Hawthorns.
Downing, who had a short spell in charge of Cheltenham in 2007-08, was quick to dismiss any chance of him applying for the manager's job.
However, he was less certain as to whether he would follow Hodgson through the West Brom exit doors and down to Wembley.
"I will not put myself forward for the Albion job. It is for someone who has a bit more experience at this moment in time," said the 46-year-old.
Questions
"Will I be going to England? There are a lot of questions to be answered. We will prepare for the end of the season and then see what happens."
West Brom travel to Bolton on Sunday before wrapping up their campaign with a home match against Arsenal seven days later.
With the club currently sat in 10th place the prospect of a top-half finish should be enough motivation for the players in their final two games but Downing believes they will be even more desperate to end on high in order to pay tribute to their departing manager.
"The players are disappointed Roy is leaving because it was going so well," added the 46-year-old.
"But they are professional people, will want to finish the season off in the right manner for Roy and make sure we attain the targets we set. He would demand that anyway.
"We want to get more points than last year, to keep our recent unbeaten run going, and we also know the magnitude of Sunday's game away to Bolton.
Integrity
"They need to win the game and we have to honour the integrity of the league and finish it off in the right way.
"The fans will also want to give Roy a good send-off. There are 4,500 going to Bolton and most I believe will be dressing up in England shirts.
"There is a warmth about supporters towards Roy. They appreciate what work he has done."
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betfred where i work are doing 10/11 on Ranieri
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Chris Lepkowski ? @chrislepkowski
#wba yet to start procedure of shortlisting. Still in process considering names, taking calls from agents pitching clients, etc. So any 'favourites' at the moment are no more than speculative, certainly at this stage, in any case
I know it probably just reiterates what we already knew but hopefully they should have a shortlist ready in the coming weeks.
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I think some of you are overhyping Ranieri he's been sacked by almost every club he's been at! I don't think he's won as much as you would think.
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I think some of you are overhyping Ranieri he's been sacked by almost every club he's been at! I don't think he's won as much as you would think.
Just about every manager has been sacked eventually by almost every club they've been at, with a few exceptions. Every manager/coach has a natural shelf life with a group of players. Ferguson and Moyes are two big exceptions.
I'd still prefer Hughton, as I'd feel more confident knowing exactly what we had, but Ranieri isnt a bad shout at all.
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I think some of you are overhyping Ranieri he's been sacked by almost every club he's been at! I don't think he's won as much as you would think.
someone who Chelsea, Valencia, Roma etc have decided is good enough to manage them can't be too bad really
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Claudio Ranieri was 33/1 when the market opened so having been backed down to odds on at BetFred and pretty short everywhere else someone has been backing him. Not sure they will see that money again!!
I am fairly sure that Ranieri liked living and working in England and has often said he would like to return however there is the small matter of his wages of £1.3m a year at Inter (although we were reported to be prepared to make Roy a similar offer to stay) and I am not sure he would be looking to manage a mid table team.
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Ranieri has won Serie B, the Coppa Italia and the Supercoppa Italiana (All Fiorentina); The Copa del Ray and The European Super Cup with Valencia. 2x 6th a 4th and 2nd place finishes with Chelsea. Kept Parma up against the odds, similar to Roy with us. Took newly promoted Juventus to a 3rd place Serie A finish. Then got jobs at Roma where he reached the Coppa Italia final and was challenging Mourinho's Inter for the title, he was so bad there they decided to give him the job at Inter ???
How anyone can tell West Bromwich Albion fans not to be excited by the possibility of a manager of this quality I will never know!!!
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I can't believe that Ranieri will be our next manager but have all my fingers and toes crossed.
Can't really believe that some bookies have him evens or odds on ???
Here's to hoping
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Organised Italian manager with a very good track record? You'd be mad not to want that. Anyone who does is living in cloud cuckooland. Doubt Ranieri will be our next manager though.
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Claudio Ranieri was 33/1 when the market opened so having been backed down to odds on at BetFred and pretty short everywhere else someone has been backing him. Not sure they will see that money again!!
I am fairly sure that Ranieri liked living and working in England and has often said he would like to return however there is the small matter of his wages of £1.3m a year at Inter (although we were reported to be prepared to make Roy a similar offer to stay) and I am not sure he would be looking to manage a mid table team.
1.3m? I'd imagine Hodgson would have been on that or close to that already.
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Not going to happen, but I'm going to spend the whole night thinking about this now and hoping.
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Ranieri top of list on oddschecker. I see Bet Victor have Guardiola at 150-1. :o
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Curbishley Wednesday, Hughton yesterday and Ranieri today. Who's going top of the list tomorrow?
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Curbishley Wednesday, Hughton yesterday and Ranieri today. Who's going top of the list tomorrow?
Perhaps some one special one, one chosen to be the best ever surrpose we will have to wait & see ::)
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Regarding Ranieri...........my mate was sitting on a train from London this afternoon. Ranieri was sitting opposite with his agent, on their way to Brum. Having recognised the man in question, my friend who is a Vile fan asked him....."are you interested in the Wolves job"? Ranieri replied "not sure if I would manage in the championship" and his agent laughed!!!! Read into it what you will but I guarantee he was on that train!!! He took 33/1 there and then.
The man is in the mids. Fact
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Right can we ban any mention of ranieri until he is either confirmed or it's someone else, this is getting way too excited now ;D
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lets not get carried away now, as mouthwatering as the prospect is, will he suit our newly adopted defensive style? does he want to come to a club outside of the top 6, potentially with mediocre wages(in the footballing world)? its a lot of ifs and maybes, but hopefully he has some baggie inside him interested in managing our beloved club. im not getting ahead of myself though, still an outsider.
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Ranieri is in the country as ESPN have him as one of the pundits on their FA Cup coverage tomorrow.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2139801/John-Terry-stirs-Bruce-Bucks-Gary-Cahill-gaffe--Charles-Sale.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Albion bound? Claudio Ranieri was overheard on a train talking about West Bromwich
Meanwhile, Claudio Ranieri was overheard discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the West Brom squad on a train to Birmingham yesterday. It suggests the former Chelsea boss was heading to The Hawthorns for an interview.
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I think some of you are overhyping Ranieri he's been sacked by almost every club he's been at! I don't think he's won as much as you would think.
Most managers have been sacked by pretty much every club they've ever worked at.
I would be over the moon if we had someone like Ranieri! ;D
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2139801/John-Terry-stirs-Bruce-Bucks-Gary-Cahill-gaffe--Charles-Sale.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Albion bound? Claudio Ranieri was overheard on a train talking about West Bromwich
Meanwhile, Claudio Ranieri was overheard discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the West Brom squad on a train to Birmingham yesterday. It suggests the former Chelsea boss was heading to The Hawthorns for an interview.
Noticed that story was published at 23.57 on their website, just over an hour after the post from sconesy on this site.
Not that i'm saying that the Daily Mail picked it up off here obviously as that would be a silly thing to suggest ;)
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Noticed that story was published at 23.57 on their website, just over an hour after the post from sconesy on this site.
Not that i'm saying that the Daily Mail picked it up off here obviously as that would be a silly thing to suggest ;)
All top journalists get their stories from this website ;D
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/04/article-2139801-12EC32DC000005DC-492_468x286.jpg)
Anyone else thinks he looks a bit like that gay bloke off Gimme Gimme Gimme?
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Anyone else thinks he looks a bit like that gay bloke off Gimme Gimme Gimme?
Looks like a cross between the Gimme Gimme Gimme bloke and Father Ted.
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/04/article-2139801-12EC32DC000005DC-492_468x286.jpg)
Anyone else thinks he looks a bit like that gay bloke off Gimme Gimme Gimme?
You should try to get a job at The Scum, not even interviewed & we're mocking him :D
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can you imagine if we got ranieri in :o :o cant see it happening but just imagine :P :P
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What on earth makes people think we could attract an ex Inter Milan manager? :P
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Just a thought but why would he be heading up for an interview.Isn't this the type of thing we rented the London office for?
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Who would have thought Inter Milan would be a feeder club to WBA for managers?
It would really put us in the media spotlight if he we landed him, if its true that he is even interested in the job that in itself is an endorsemnet of our standing at present.
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Just a thought but why would he be heading up for an interview.Isn't this the type of thing we rented the London office for?
Good point really not setting much store by the current flurry of rumours.
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I think its all rumour at the moment and it would appear publicly anyway its been said that we wont do anything for a couple of weeks, that said this is JP and he has sprung a surprise before!
Ranieri would definitely generate massive excitement and interest, i would love it if he came here, realistically i still cant help but think it just wont happen but....
He has said he wants to come back to England - Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham, Newcastle all wont be changing managers, Man City its unlikely but even if they do i couldnt see it being Ranieri, same for Chelsea, they sacked him once before.
That moves down the table to Sunderland (O Neill), Everton (Moyes), Fulham (Jol), Stoke (Pulis), Norwich (Lambert), Swansea (Rodgers) all those would appear pretty secure jobs so nothing doing there, the two clubs who are going to be looking for managers seem to be us and the Villa, and in present circumstances is there much difference between the two clubs? They are no longer the big spenders they were and would appear they are cutting back unless Randy decides at another push, so on the above is Ranieri so unrealisitic? I had thought so but weighing up the above it may not be the case, same with some other managers.
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I think people are getting far too excited. It's just rumour fuelling rumour.
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Just been listening to raneiri on espn i think he is here for an interview reading between the lines he would not be a disaster of an appointment in my opinion even if he is a tinkerman
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Just seen a tweet that says Ranieri all but confirms his interest in the Albion job on ESPN has anyone seen the relevant interview? Does he know that he will have no money to spend? Does he know that we aren't a London based club? Am I dreaming?
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just seen the same interview looks like there might be something in this clubs stock is starting to rise ????
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just seen the same interview looks like there might be something in this clubs stock is starting to rise ????
Been on the ESPN website but can't find any mention of the interview. Anyone got a link to it?
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Just seen a tweet that says Ranieri all but confirms his interest in the Albion job on ESPN has anyone seen the relevant interview? Does he know that he will have no money to spend? Does he know that we aren't a London based club? Am I dreaming?
Lol what is going on haha
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Apprantley the Espn presenter asked would he be intrested in the wba job, ranieri said if its a good project why not. :P lol
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I think it shows just as sooty has just mentioned how our stock has risen in the last few years.
If it is to be The Tinkerman I would be estatic
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I just watched the comment from Ranieri. The way he responded seemed to indicate to me that he is going to be our next manager. He certainly made no effort to distance himself from the question and actually stated that 2:1 was a good price and that Kelly Dalglish should have a bet on it. Whether it was said in jest is another matter but it didn't seem that way. I am fairly convinced he'll be our next manager after the betting patterns have panned out in addition to his apparent enthusiasm about the job.
I think it shows just as sooty has just mentioned how our stock has risen in the last few years.
If it is to be The Tinkerman I would be estatic
Me too mate. Any Albion fan that isn't excited about Ranieri becoming our manager is completely off their head and living in another reality.
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Me too mate. Any Albion fan that isn't excited about Ranieri becoming our manager is completely off their head and living in another reality.
Despite the fact that he tends to spend a lot of money wherever he goes, i can't help but be excited.
He has a win % of at the very least 41% since he had the Chelsea job in 2000. His best being 57% at Roma.
I think he'll have seen how Roy and Di Matteo have gone on to get bigger jobs after leaving us and I reckon he'll still be smarting from Inter and likes the prospect of the Premier League. Peace on the other hand will be a massive hurdle for him, whether he can live with our wages/transfer funds only he can know.
While I'd love Ranieri and there is a chance, my money would still (and has) go for Hughton to be our next manager, especially as Blackpool did us a favour last night.
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I'd be over the moon with the tinkerman. Would be a wonderfull appointment and really shows the stock of the club. Who the hell thought we could have attracted people like Hodgeson and Ranieri to the club 10 years ago
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The pessimist in me has come up with potential issues with Ranieri
- Will we pay his wages?
- Will he be willing to work under such tight budget restrictions?
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The pessimist in me has come up with potential issues with Ranieri
- Will we pay his wages?
- Will he be willing to work under such tight budget restrictions?
Someone mentioned he was on 1.3m at Inter on one of the other pages, which I expect Hodgson must have been close too.
Still, given his career history I find it hard to believe he'd be overly interested in the Albion job. Parma are the only club he's been at in well over a decade who aren't absolutely massive.
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The pessimist in me has come up with potential issues with Ranieri
- Will we pay his wages?
- Will he be willing to work under such tight budget restrictions?
And can he do it on a tight budget?
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And can he do it on a tight budget?
I don't doubt that. I have any issues with his ability, he is a first class manager. Just his willingness once he sits down with Peace.
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I think it is really important the board move quickly to get a new manager in place. I'm sure there will be 1 or 2 more premier league jobs up for grabs in a few weeks.
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I think it is really important the board move quickly to get a new manager in place. I'm sure there will be 1 or 2 more premier league jobs up for grabs in a few weeks.
At bigger clubs too (hate to say it) but a team like Villa are ahead of us in the pecking order even though below us in the league. (Feel dirty now!)
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At bigger clubs too (hate to say it) but a team like Villa are ahead of us in the pecking order even though below us in the league. (Feel dirty now!)
Disagree with that completely mate. A few years ago this was the case but their chairman is reluctant to spend now while we are going from strength to strength. I wouldn't be too surprised if we splash a decent amount of cash this year with a top manager being priority. Hodgson has proved that it can be money very well spent and the comments from the club about a contigency plan seem to suggest we now realise the importance of having a manager that knows what he is doing at the helm. I can see Ranieri coming in and being given a sizeable transfer kitty, not a massive one, but enough to add quality to our already attractive squad.
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Just shows you how far we have come, from the days of Aidy Boothroyd, Mike Newell being linked with the job we now how the likes of Ranieri being linked ;D. If we could get Ranieri then i will be a very happy baggie.
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heard something a hour ago tony mowbray just looked on odds checker maybe something in it heard 2nd hand from championship manager
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At bigger clubs too (hate to say it) but a team like Villa are ahead of us in the pecking order even though below us in the league. (Feel dirty now!)
He managed Parma who were in a relegation battle and have been a yo-yo club for years after he was sacked at Valencia. If he does come to us, it'll be to rebuild his reputation after his time at Inter. He'll have noticed how Roy recovered from his time at Liverpool with us and might just do the same. Maybe DA and JP could sell the prospect to him, Lerner seems reluctant to do anything that will cost him money these days.
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Latest Odds on Next manager......
(http://i47.tinypic.com/10ckun5.jpg)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLR5esEK90Q&feature=youtube_gdata
Was there more to it than that?
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Id have thought that Raniri and Villa would be a more likely fit next season. Id be happy if we could get him though. Lots of big clubs seem to think he is good else they wouldnt keep appointing him.
There are some doubts, like his ability to work on a budget, and whether we are just looking at his past jobs list and getting excited (in the last ten years, he hasnt done much with any of the teams he has been at, certainly not winning much anyway). He has lots of experience though and getting him would be a big coup, especially when you consider his last few clubs have included Juve, Inter, Roma and Valencia.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLR5esEK90Q&feature=youtube_gdata
Was there more to it than that?
You cant take anything from that interview. Not sure if there was more than that but it seems he wasnt giving anything away. Could just be Ranieri being respectful as ever. He isnt the sort of bloke to say "Me to West Brom? Your having a laugh arent you".
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Id have thought that Raniri and Villa would be a more likely fit next season. Id be happy if we could get him though. Lots of big clubs seem to think he is good else they wouldnt keep appointing him.
There are some doubts, like his ability to work on a budget, and whether we are just looking at his past jobs list and getting excited (in the last ten years, he hasnt done much with any of the teams he has been at, certainly not winning much anyway). He has lots of experience though and getting him would be a big coup, especially when you consider his last few clubs have included Juve, Inter, Roma and Valencia.
Seem to recall he had an incredible run with Roma during his time there recently.
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Something like 18-20 unbeaten yes. Thats the bit that gets you excited with the link.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLR5esEK90Q&feature=youtube_gdata
Was there more to it than that?
Yeah mate, there was more to it. After the bookie talked about the odds, Kelly Dalglish asked him if 2:1 was a good price and worth a bet, he said, "yes it's a good price" with a cheeky grin on his face!
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Local media seem to believe his agent has been in the touch with the club to express an interest so there may be some truth in it.
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Claudio Ranieri at the Albion? Never in my wildest dreams would I have expected something like that. I thought Roy Hodgson was massive coup for us but certainly Ranieri would be even bigger, in my opinion.
I do have some doubts, but I'd be willing to look into him. He obviously has something about him if these big clubs continue to appoint him. Would appointing Ranieri put our name about across Europe? You'd certainly like to think so. Especially considering Roy Hodgson is about to take charge of England and our ex head coach is in the champions league final.
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Local media seem to believe his agent has been in the touch with the club to express an interest so there may be some truth in it.
Do you have a link/tweet to that Baggies?
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Do you have a link/tweet to that Baggies?
Check Chris Lepkowski's time-line. He mentioned it earlier today. Can't remember when as all I've done today is sit on the sofa and tweet. (@MikeReed30)
In fact it's his most recent tweet.
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Check Chris Lepkowski's time-line. He mentioned it earlier today. Can't remember when as all I've done today is sit on the sofa and tweet. (@MikeReed30)
In fact it's his most recent tweet.
Cheers for that.
I would follow you but I'm not on the twitter stage just yet. I will do eventually.
I'm delighted that Ranieri's agent has "pitched" for it though.
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Ranieri doesnt seem to last too long in jobs.
1986–1987 Vigor Lamezia
1987–1988 Campania Puteolana
1988–1999 Cagliari
1991–1993 Napoli
1993–1997 Fiorentina
1997–1999 Valencia
1999–2000 Atlético Madrid - Resigned before he was sacked
2000–2004 Chelsea - spent a fortune but couldnt win the title
2004–2005 Valencia - sacked
2007 Parma - left after a short stay
2007–2009 Juventus - sacked
2009–2011 Roma - resigned
2011–2012 Inter - sacked
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I remember his sacking at Chelsea came across harsh. Wasn't it Abramovich's first season bank rolling the club?
Whether they were Ranieri signing or not i wouldn't expect a team who bought the likes of Geremi, Wright-Phillips and Duff to win the title.
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to be far he looks like he spends about 2 season at each club. How long have Mowbray, RDM, Hodgson spent here? Nature of the game now.
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The tinkerman?
You must be joking.
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I remember his sacking at Chelsea came across harsh. Wasn't it Abramovich's first season bank rolling the club?
Whether they were Ranieri signing or not i wouldn't expect a team who bought the likes of Geremi, Wright-Phillips and Duff to win the title.
He was at Chelsea before Abrahamovic came in, got them to 6th in his first season and I think maybe FA Cup final not sure. Signed Lampard for them and first season Abrahmovic took over he got them to 2nd behind Arsenal in their unbeaten season and also to semis of the Champions League.
Be a major coup if it does happen even if it is only short term until a bigger job comes up.
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Ranieri doesnt seem to last too long in jobs.
1986–1987 Vigor Lamezia
1987–1988 Campania Puteolana
1988–1999 Cagliari
1991–1993 Napoli
1993–1997 Fiorentina
1997–1999 Valencia
1999–2000 Atlético Madrid - Resigned before he was sacked
2000–2004 Chelsea - spent a fortune but couldnt win the title
2004–2005 Valencia - sacked
2007 Parma - left after a short stay
2007–2009 Juventus - sacked
2009–2011 Roma - resigned
2011–2012 Inter - sacked
Most his careers been in Italy, they sack managers constantly over there, often for the slightest dips in form. This season in Serie A alone there's been 17 sacked and 2 mutual consents.
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Im not too worried about his record of not staying too long at clubs just look at the current premier league managers and there average time at each club they have managed.
Arsenal - Arsene Wenger (Avg time in each job 7 years)
Aston Villa - Alex McLeish (Avg time in each job 3 years)
Blackburn - Steve Kean (2 years)
Bolton - Owen Coyle ( 2 years 4 months)
Chelsea - RDM (1 year 4 months)
Everton - Moyes (7 years)
Fulham - Jol (3 years)
Liverpool Dalgliesh (2 years 7 months)
Man City Mancini (3 years)
Man United- Fergie (9 years 6 months)
Newcastle - Pardew (2 years 5 months)
Norwich - Lambert (1 year 4 months)
QPR - Hughes (2 years 4 months)
Stoke - Pulis (3 years 4 months)
Sunderland - MON (3 years 8 months)
Swansea - Rodgers (1 year 4 months)
Tottenham - Arry (4 years 10 months)
West Brom - Royston (1 year 11 months)
Wigan - Martinez (2 years 6 months)
Wolves - Mad Mick (5 years)
Now if you look at some of our supposed targets
Ranieri (2 years)
Hughton (1 year 6 months)
Both fit into that bracket that most of the managers at Premier League level. I dont worry about time at clubs to be honest but more of the calibre and success they have had in jobs.
As others have said Claudio has managed most his career in a country where its common to change managers like the wind and he still averages 2 years at each club thats a very good record indeed
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Article in the Mail
Claudio Ranieri on the train to Birmingham discusing the strengths and weaknesses of the Albion squad, probably a load of rowlocks but it's out there.
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Article in the Mail
Claudio Ranieri on the train to Birmingham discusing the strengths and weaknesses of the Albion squad, probably a load of rowlocks but it's out there.
REALLY?? :o
Well I never ;D
Where have you been for the last 36 hours? ;)
Anyway, I think it would be a real coup but can't help but thinking Ranieri is flirting with us the way Hargreaves did last summer.
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REALLY?? :o
Well I never ;D
Where have you been for the last 36 hours? ;)
Anyway, I think it would be a real coup but can't help but thinking Ranieri is flirting with us the way Hargreaves did last summer.
Another one who doesnt read at least the last 3 pages of a thread before posting, tut tut ::)
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Ranieri is an awful manager, I'd rather Steve Bruce than him.
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Ranieri is an awful manager, I'd rather Steve Bruce than him.
Wheres that big key.............................windup surely !
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REALLY?? :o
Well I never ;D
Where have you been for the last 36 hours? ;)
Anyway, I think it would be a real coup but can't help but thinking Ranieri is flirting with us the way Hargreaves did last summer.
Sorry I have just got back from Denmark, I read the article on the plane and thought I was being quite original. Alway the last one at the party.
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Sorry I have just got back from Denmark, I read the article on the plane and thought I was being quite original. Alway the last one at the party.
Isnt that the way Millichip found out Atkinson was going to United pmsl, what goes around............ :P
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Ranieri is an awful manager, I'd rather Steve Bruce than him.
Ranieri has only managed Atletico Madrid, Valencia, Juventus, AS Roma, Inter and Chelsea, whereas Steve Bruce has managed giants like Wigan Athletic, Huddersfield, Crystal Palace and Birmingham. I see where you are coming from!
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Ranieri has done nothing in his career to merit managing us. He has been an in between man for his entire life. He has won nothing his entire life and with no experience at a club like ours i fear the worst.
We NEED experience in the prem more than anything.
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Ranieri has only managed Atletico Madrid, Valencia, Juventus, AS Roma, Inter and Chelsea, whereas Steve Bruce has managed giants like Wigan Athletic, Huddersfield, Crystal Palace and Birmingham. I see where you are coming from!
He has managed them yes. But what has he done at them? tell me that please?
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Ranieri has only managed Atletico Madrid, Valencia, Juventus, AS Roma, Inter and Chelsea, whereas Steve Bruce has managed giants like Wigan Athletic, Huddersfield, Crystal Palace and Birmingham. I see where you are coming from!
Disagree raj, there is a reason he has managed so many clubs and it's not because he is a good manager.
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Well that's the point isn't it raj, if Ranieri was so good why would he of managed so many clubs? Atletico Madrid, Valencia, Juventus, AS Roma, Inter and Chelsea - all top clubs yet all sacked him, why ? what makes you think he would be good for us?
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Disagree raj, there is a reason he has managed so many clubs and it's not because he is a good manager.
Your logic doesn't add up. Look at Roy's record. Between 2004 and 2006 he was the manager of mighty Viking Stavanger.
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Ranieri has done nothing in his career to merit managing us. He has been an in between man for his entire life. He has won nothing his entire life and with no experience at a club like ours i fear the worst.
We NEED experience in the prem more than anything.
I'm not for one minute heralding, Ranieri as a world-class Coach/Manager. If he was, would he be linked with West Bromwich Albion? He has had four years experience managing in the Premier League. Many of the core players he signed went on to win the title under Mourinho.
To be fair, he was brought in as a "firefighter" at Parma. There he was successful in keeping them in Serie A, before departing to Juventus.
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He has managed them yes. But what has he done at them? tell me that please?
Could I play devils advoate here for a minute Astle? I don't generally like comparing Coaches/Managers, as circumstances dictate different situations at certain clubs. But as a whole career, Ranieri's win percentage is generally very good. What has he done? What could he have done? If you mean winning trophies, than realistically how many teams can win a League Title? Also does Hodgson's titles which he won in Sweden and Denmark, (compartively 'weaker' leagues than Spain, Italy and England), mean he is a more successful coach?
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Those core players Raineri introduced into the Chelsea first team include Frank Lampard, John Terry and Peter Cech.
Looking at his career Raineri actually seems to do well with lesser clubs like us.
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Disagree raj, there is a reason he has managed so many clubs and it's not because he is a good manager.
Fair enough. Your entitled to your reasoning. You do realise Hodgson has coached over 20 teams in his 36 year career? Just because Coaches move around, it doesn't neccesarily mean they are poor, in my opinion. You also have to take into account that both Spain and Italy, are pretty volatile places for Coaches.
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Your logic doesn't add up. Look at Roy's record. Between 2004 and 2006 he was the manager of mighty Viking Stavanger.
Your spot on there. But what that doesn't also guarantee is that he would do what roy did here. I would much rather someone whose been there and done it before in the premiership, rather than a failed manager in the top leagues of europe.
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My last post would also answer raj's.
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Those core players Raineri introduced into the Chelsea first team include Frank Lampard, John Terry and Peter Cech.
Looking at his career Raineri actually seems to do well with lesser clubs like us.
Where in his career has he managed a "lesser club like ours" as you said? apart from Cagliari in 1988?
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Well that's the point isn't it raj, if Ranieri was so good why would he of managed so many clubs? Atletico Madrid, Valencia, Juventus, AS Roma, Inter and Chelsea - all top clubs yet all sacked him, why ? what makes you think he would be good for us?
I couldn't give you an in depth answer into the reasonings as to why he was sacked at each individual club. But in simple terms, he may failed to achieve the target that was set. Like I've stated before Italy and Spain, are pretty volatile countires, where managerial changes occur very frequently.
What makes me think he would be good for us? I think he has the desire to come back to England and do well. Judging from his recent interviews, he has a burning desire to coach/manage in England. I think what would also benefit him, is working alongside Dan Ashworth. I'm not saying he would be a definite success. Who knows? But I think it's incredibly harsh to tar his managerial record. Many could disect Roy Hodgson's and say he won his trophies in 'weak' leagues.
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Where in his career has he managed a "lesser club like ours" as you said? apart from Cagliari in 1988?
Parma were struggling 2007. Simialr situation to when Roy arrived here. They survived, and Ranieri moved to Juventus.
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Raj, the difference between roy and ranieri is that roy has been there and done it before (mostly the example best noted with fulham) with lesser clubs and got the best out of them - and improved them.
I'm not saying Ranieri wouldn't do well here, all i am saying is that i would rather a "been there and done that" manager than someone who clearly hasn't.
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To be fair to Jeremy Peace he always seems to find the right man at the right time for us so i fully support whoever he decides to bring in would much rather it be Hughton though COYB!!!
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Raj, the difference between roy and ranieri is that roy has been there and done it before (mostly the example best noted with fulham) with lesser clubs and got the best out of them - and improved them.
I'm not saying Ranieri wouldn't do well here, all i am saying is that i would rather a "been there and done that" manager than someone who clearly hasn't.
Fair enough Astle. I do actually see where your coming from and note your reservations. My main point was I think it's harsh to label him as a poor manager because he has managed a number of clubs. His longest spell was Chelsea for four years. Hodgson's longest spell was also around that figure I believe (Halmstads or Malmo).
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Disagree raj, there is a reason he has managed so many clubs and it's not because he is a good manager.
He's managed around the same number of clubs as Roy. Do you consider Roy not a good manager?
Just to add, things like "he's managed lots of clubs" and "he's only managed teams better than Albion" aren't good reasons to overlook a manager. You could argue that Bruce has been there and done it with average teams in the Prem, no way would I want Bruce. You don't get a CV like Ranieri without being a very good manager.
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Ranieri has done nothing in his career to merit managing us. He has been an in between man for his entire life. He has won nothing his entire life and with no experience at a club like ours i fear the worst.
We NEED experience in the prem more than anything.
You recommended Paul Jewell. Make your mind up.
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Ranieri did very well with Chelsea if I recall, especially in their final season before Abromavich came along.
At the time, Chelsea were in a financial mess, and rumours were they'd be the next Leeds. With a non-existent budget and aging players such as Hasselbaink and Zola, he managed to push them into 4th, which helped the attraction of Abromavich.
Yes - he hasn't won a cup, but he did a lot for Chelsea in that year.
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Ranieri did very well with Chelsea if I recall, especially in their final season before Abromavich came along.
At the time, Chelsea were in a financial mess, and rumours were they'd be the next Leeds. With a non-existent budget and aging players such as Hasselbaink and Zola, he managed to push them into 4th, which helped the attraction of Abromavich.
Yes - he hasn't won a cup, but he did a lot for Chelsea in that year.
Yes, if I remember rightly he was very popular when he left and the majority of Chelsea fans didn't wish to see him go. He had them playing some decent football too.
Speaking about his playing style though, he has got stick at times at Inter by some for playing a defensive game.
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Can't believe some people aren't excited by the prospect of being managed by a manager with the calibre of Ranieri. He laid down the foundations for where Chelsea are today, almost won Serie A with Roma not long ago and has consistently got his sides into Europe.
Yes he did a poor job with Inter but that will just go to show that he has something to prove much like Hodgson when he came after the Liverpool saga. Quite honestly I still can't quite believe that this could be an actual possibility and if Peace & Ashworth pull it off it will be a major coup!
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Can't believe some people aren't excited by the prospect of being managed by a manager with the calibre of Ranieri. He laid down the foundations for where Chelsea are today, almost won Serie A with Roma not long ago and has consistently got his sides into Europe.
Yes he did a poor job with Inter but that will just go to show that he has something to prove much like Hodgson when he came after the Liverpool saga. Quite honestly I still can't quite believe that this could be an actual possibility and if Peace & Ashworth pull it off it will be a major coup!
This this this!
Anyone who questions any kind of talk of ranieri must be mad.
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Views on respective managerial considerations from our 'friends' in staffordshire...
http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=72005
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Awwwww bless there little cotton socks, there finaly starting to realise that there little club isnt as important as we are!
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The main thing i would be worried about with Ranieri is the fact he wont be around for long. Like roy, he moves from club to club for various reasons.
Do we want another roy who will stay for 1 season and do well (potentially)? or Do we want to find a long term manager who can sustain our current position?
My worry is, that although this might work for another season or 2 going down this route, in the end it will catch up on us.
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If we were to employ Ranieri, I would hope it's a 12 month contract.
That way if he fails which I think he will, we wouldn't be left in a situation where we have to make a massive pay off which we can't afford.
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I made a post earlier on this topic and it's disappeared?
I read on the 02 football page that Hughton may become the new Albion boss even if Blues go up. Hope there's some truth in this.
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I made a post earlier on this topic and it's disappeared?
I read on the 02 football page that Hughton may become the new Albion boss even if Blues go up. Hope there's some truth in this.
I hope so, he would still be my ideal choice.
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Raj, the difference between roy and ranieri is that roy has been there and done it before (mostly the example best noted with fulham) with lesser clubs and got the best out of them - and improved them.
I'm not saying Ranieri wouldn't do well here, all i am saying is that i would rather a "been there and done that" manager than someone who clearly hasn't.
The "been there, done it" attribute is oing to be very hard to find. If that is the main skill set we are looking for in a manager, then Ranieri will probably get the job. Most of the managers we will be looking at WILL be inexperienced because there arent many experienced coaches out there who will come to WBA - not successful ones anyway. I think people have got a bit carried away with who we could get really.
Ranieri's career has actually taken in some smaller clubs. Parma is one example but apart from that his early career included taking a side from Serie C to Serie A.
I dont mind people saying they dont want Ranieri, and instead wanting someone like Hughton. I understand why they many want that. But we need to stop expecting experience because there arent many available.
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Ideal scenario. Roy given microphone at full time to say a few words and then introduces ranieri as new manager.....
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Ranieri would be brilliant!
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dont want him !!!!!!!!!!!! tinker of somewhere else
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Struggling here to understand why someone would want a Championship standard manager in Paul Jewell who with Derby has one of the lowest points totals in Prem history over an experienced European coach who got Chelsea to 6th and the FA Cup Final before Abrahamovic came along (yes they had more money to spend than us but still)
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Paul Jewell - The man who still thinks Ellington is Premier League standard
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Another way of looking at Ranieri or any other candidate is why are they joining us? In Hodgson's case it was obvious he wanted to get back into football with the view to getting the England job (mission accomplished) which is why his contract expired this summer.
So aside from the obvious that he is between jobs at the minute what is Ranieri's motivation? I doubt whether it is purely financial having been a top coach for over a decade I would hope he has been able to hang on to some money for his old age.
Apart from the fact that he likes living and working in England why would he take on the role? He is unlikely to win much he will be working with players a couple of notches down in quality to those he worked with at Inter. He is not of an age where he realistically harbour ambitions to use us as a stepping stone to one of the bigger jobs in English football.
If I could figure out a why then I might believe Ranieri will be turning up at the Hawthorns, but in the meantime I will remain sceptical.
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We are 2000/1 to get relegated next season (Paddy Power & Stan James) so if you think we are going to end up with a poor manager who will relegate us then get your quids on now!
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Why did Bobby Robson take the job at Newcastle?
Ranieri did extremely well when he was in the Premier League with Chelsea, overall Ranieri's record in the PL is far superior to Hodgson's, and Ranieri has 199 PL games to Hodgson's 276 (before joining us Roy had about the same PL experience as Ranieri). Why wouldn't Ranieri want to do a job he loves in the most entertaining league in the world? By the looks of it Ranieri does his best job when he can build teams and that is what he would be doing with us.
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Reality is that we are a club where a big name manager will see it as a possible step up to a bigger job and get their career back on track. In the Premier League we could realistically be the highest placed finisher looking for a manager so options for managers to get in the Prem will be limited unless they want a guaranteed relegation battle with the likes of villa.
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We are 2000/1 to get relegated next season (Paddy Power & Stan James) so if you think we are going to end up with a poor manager who will relegate us then get your quids on now!
Have only checked Stan James but I think that's 2000/1 to win the league ..... ? I had my tenner ready 2000/1 to be relegated would be an interesting insurance bet.
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Have only checked Stan James but I think that's 2000/1 to win the league ..... ? I had my tenner ready 2000/1 to be relegated would be an interesting insurance bet.
Haha i had my £10 lined up as well but its actually to WIN the league
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Why did Bobby Robson take the job at Newcastle?
Ranieri did extremely well when he was in the Premier League with Chelsea, overall Ranieri's record in the PL is far superior to Hodgson's, and Ranieri has 199 PL games to Hodgson's 276 (before joining us Roy had about the same PL experience as Ranieri). Why wouldn't Ranieri want to do a job he loves in the most entertaining league in the world? By the looks of it Ranieri does his best job when he can build teams and that is what he would be doing with us.
Newcastle were his home town club and at the time still harboured ambitions to be one of the top teams in Europe. When I last heard Ranieri speak I didn't pick up on his Black Country accent and unfortunately we are at best a mid-table premier league team being 10th is not a platform from which we will spring to dominate European football.
Ranieri does not need a route back into English football his next job is an end in itself and as such I find it difficult to believe he will be our next manager, I would be delighted if he turns up at B71 but in the words of the grumpy old gits prophet "I don't believe it"
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Have only checked Stan James but I think that's 2000/1 to win the league ..... ? I had my tenner ready 2000/1 to be relegated would be an interesting insurance bet.
Correct it is to win the league! How stoopid of me :P
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Reality is that we are a club where a big name manager will see it as a possible step up to a bigger job and get their career back on track. In the Premier League we could realistically be the highest placed finisher looking for a manager so options for managers to get in the Prem will be limited unless they want a guaranteed relegation battle with the likes of villa.
We should use that as a selling point as I'm sure we tell players that prove yourself here and earn your big move.
Mowbray went onto Celtic - RDM now a potential double winning Manager at Chelsea - Hodgson just got the biggest job in international football.
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Correct it is to win the league! How stoopid of me :P
Funny, so the bookies reckon every 2000th year or so we sign Jesus to perform some miracles for us from midfield!
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http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/149452.html?CMP=OTC-RSS
Claudio Ranieri has suggested he could be open to taking the West Brom job following Roy Hodgson's appointment as England manager.
Ranieri, who had a spell at Chelsea between 2000 and 2004, is on the hunt for a new role having being sacked by Inter Milan in March.
Inter had won just one of ten league matches before his sacking, and were eighth in Serie A at the time when he left the club.
But despite his forgettable tenure at the San Siro, Ranieri can still point to an impressive CV, and would give consideration to adding the Baggies to the list of clubs he has managed.
Asked if he would like to come back to manage in England, and whether he would be receptive to an approach from West Brom, Ranieri told ESPN: "Why not? Never say never. I will listen to everything. If there is a good project, why not."
Hodgson will remain in charge of West Brom until the end of the Premier League season, before turning his attention to England's Euro 2012 campaign
There's the link of the ESPN website for those which were looking for it.
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I see this going 2 ways....
1, We will play it safe and go for Hughton- I would be happy with Hughton because he did a great job at the toon and the blues considering the mess both clubs were in. He has experiance in the Premier League.And he gives youth a chance, for example Carrol at Newcastle and Redmond at the Blues.
Or
2, We go for Ranieri who no doubt is a very good manager and would get other clubs thinking that we mean buisness. But my only concern with Ranieri is will he be able to work with our current structure and with a limited budget.
I think personally,we will go for Hughton.
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Can i ask a question. Why would Chris Hughton want to go to a club that he has already rejected a job offer from, less than 18 months ago ?
What can Albion offer him to make him change his mind and resign at Blues.bear in mind Pannu got £3m compensation out of the Villa for McLeish do you think he will just let Hughton walk away for free ?
Rumours are growing that Blues will soon have new owners Hughton will know the facts behind these rumours.
would he want to leave knowing what he does ?
Yes i am based but i do not think he will leave based on his past.
It will be nice to see Ben foster back home at Blues on Wednesday night
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Can i ask a question. Why would Chris Hughton want to go to a club that he has already rejected a job offer from, less than 18 months ago ?
What can Albion offer him to make him change his mind and resign at Blues.bear in mind Pannu got £3m compensation out of the Villa for McLeish do you think he will just let Hughton walk away for free ?
Rumours are growing that Blues will soon have new owners Hughton will know the facts behind these rumours.
would he want to leave knowing what he does ?
Yes i am based but i do not think he will leave based on his past.
It will be nice to see Ben foster back home at Blues on Wednesday night
He didn't reject us, we went for Hodgson instead. There was an interview a few months later where he was pretty complimentary of us.
I imagine his contract is somewhat different to that of Mcleish's, so probably less compensation. The guy is in his 50's, he'll do what's best for his career, not what's best for Blues. As would any other manager. New owners doesn't necessarily mean better.
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Can i ask a question. Why would Chris Hughton want to go to a club that he has already rejected a job offer from, less than 18 months ago ?
What can Albion offer him to make him change his mind and resign at Blues.bear in mind Pannu got £3m compensation out of the Villa for McLeish do you think he will just let Hughton walk away for free ?
Rumours are growing that Blues will soon have new owners Hughton will know the facts behind these rumours.
would he want to leave knowing what he does ?
Yes i am based but i do not think he will leave based on his past.
It will be nice to see Ben foster back home at Blues on Wednesday night
Hughton is a big boy, he knows how football works and that Hodgson was the better man for our job at the time. He'd be at a stable Premier League club that isn't in danger of going bump at any moment and being forced to sell their best players. He'll probably have buggar all for a transfer kitty at Blues even if you go up.
I don't mean to sound pompous, but we're just a more attractive prospect.
Oh, and he's out of contract at the end of the summer I believe.
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I'd like a young, ambitous manager proven in the lower leagues but new to the Prem
People like (but not necessarily including) Brendan Rogers and Paul Lambert have showed they have more desire to succeed than the likes of Hughes, Bruce, McLeish, and co....
Failing that, Roberto Martinez of Wigan would be a perfect fit for us don't you think?
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He didn't reject us, we went for Hodgson instead. There was an interview a few months later where he was pretty complimentary of us.
I imagine his contract is somewhat different to that of Mcleish's, so probably less compensation. The guy is in his 50's, he'll do what's best for his career, not what's best for Blues. As would any other manager. New owners doesn't necessarily mean better.
Check your facts matey, Hughton rejected albion as Peace would not allow him to bring Calderwood and Trollope with him.
where as Hodgson accepted he would work with someone elses's backroom staff.
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where's Claudio Ranieri on this list?
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Check your facts matey, Hughton rejected albion as Peace would not allow him to bring Calderwood and Trollope with him.
where as Hodgson accepted he would work with someone elses's backroom staff.
I believe Hughton did want to bring in his own staff. however, he did not reject, it just extended conversations and it was easier to get Hodgson. from what i've seen that is what happened.
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where's Claudio Ranieri on this list?
Topic was started before Ranieri's name was mentioned.
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Blokes name is Hughton not Hughton. Its been mentioned enough this week :D
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Blokes name is Hughton not Hughton. Its been mentioned enough this week :D
Some people can't spell Hodgson so I'm hardly surprised people are spelling Hughton wrong.
Olsson is another one people frequently get wrong. Take some pride in your posts people - check your spelling. :D
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sorry, i hate dispraxia. ruins your grammar and spelling. takes ages to type a comment
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Check your facts matey, Hughton rejected albion as Peace would not allow him to bring Calderwood and Trollope with him.
where as Hodgson accepted he would work with someone elses's backroom staff.
I understand you might be worried at the prospect of losing your manager but there is no point coming on here and being aggressive. Id also be careful not to bury your head in the sand.
Hughton was turned down by Albion. Yes, one of the problems was his backroom staff, which at the time meant buying Calderwood out of his Hibs contract (something Blues didnt need to do If I remember correctly). Hughton approached Albion though so he didnt just say "no, id rather manage a championship team, selling all of their best players, rather than a premier league team with no debt". A more experienced Hodgson was always going to get the job anyway.
As for what the future holds, neither you nor us know. If Blues get promotion then you will almost certainly keep your manager. There will be little point in him mocing. If you do stay down though I think you need to realise there is a possibility, if approached, Hughton could end up coming to the Albion
Yes, you might be getting new owners, but it isnt certain. Yes, Yeung could be found not guilty and he could come back to Birmingham and buy you Messi, Ronaldo and Rooney, but with the new financial fair play rules, maybe "sugar daddy" spending might not be as easy as before.
The uncertainty at Blues - and your future is uncertain - may be a big factor in what he decides to do. You are just as likely to be in financial difficulty next season as you are of being one of the financial power houses. If you really believe Hughton isnt keeping Albion open as an option this summer, then you really are naive.
We might not go for Hughton though. We will have to wait and see. Just be careful not to fall into the trap of some Albion fans did when Celtic came in for Mowbray. Some were surprised that a manager at a championship club where he was popular would leave to go to another club. They were naive - just like you appear to be.
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Also I like the comment about Ben Foster "coming home".
It's common knowledge he wants to stay, even if blues are promoted.
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http://www.clicklancashire.com/sport/wigan-athletic-fc/1212307-west-bromwich-albion-chase-wigan-athletic-boss-martinez.html?
Paper rubbish in my opinion.
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Most probably, but would love it to be true
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Heard on TalkSport that Ranieri is 4/7 with some bookies.
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It is sourced from the Mirror lads, about as trustworthy as a wolverhampton tramp.
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Heard on TalkSport that Ranieri is 4/7 with some bookies.
1/2 on Sky Bet.
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Right they've stayed up, let's do everything we can to get Martinez in.
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Right they've stayed up, let's do everything we can to get Martinez in.
Definately.
I reckon he will be on Ashworths list.
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Seems a perfect match and if anyone can give the big sell it will be Peace and Ashworth.
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Most probably, but would love it to be true
Likewise.
This managerial chase is getting exciting but the process is still very mysterious.
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My very strong opinion is that Chris Hughton will NOT be our next manager.
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Martinez would be cracking appointment but they would want compensation. Wigan have been in the Premier League 8 seasons or so but i think we would be a step up for him due to the fact were a bigger club and he could look at the last 2 managers here who have gone on to become a England Manager and a manager who beat Barcelona ;D Hopefully we may hear something in 2 weeks time.
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CL - in other #wba news Tuesday's Birmingham Mail has details of albion's meeting with Claudio Ranieri. Might even already be on website :P
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Chris Lepkowski ?
Re Ranieri talks, all quite informal and part of ongoing process. Done on a 'would wba suit him' and 'would he suit #wba' basis. No more
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I voted Martinez. Love the brand of football and philosophy.
I do however think Hughton would work well within our budget and would be able to motivate players.
If Blues lose tomorrow night I can see Hughton being appointed within the week.
Ranieri would be a 'big' name but I don't see him fitting with the Albion way. (budget, player/fans mentality).
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No to Martinez!!! Massive step backwards, I just dont get why on earth we want to take a manager who has managed Swansea and Wigan, and then another manager who has managed newcastle in championship and birmingham in championship...The championship and relegation battles are no where we are.
Lets go out and get somebody who has won somthing, has lots of contacts, lots of experiance....oh someone like Roy Hodgson! Its really is starting to anoy me that people would really want Hughton and Martinez....Why??? what have they ever done to a club who is our position! Well nethier have managed one!
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Martinez would be cracking appointment but they would want compensation. Wigan have been in the Premier League 8 seasons or so but i think we would be a step up for him due to the fact were a bigger club and he could look at the last 2 managers here who have gone on to become a England Manager and a manager who beat Barcelona ;D Hopefully we may hear something in 2 weeks time.
Martinez has shown that he has qualities that are unique in the premier league..............loyalty, he trusts Dave Whelan, therefore, he most definately would not come to the Albion, why would he, would anyone trust JP.
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Less than ten years ago Roy was managing Viking Stavanger, then he moved on to mighty Finland. If the new manager is talented then it doesn't matter where he comes from. Besides, Roy's mission was to keep us in the Premier League, and who is better for that job than Martinez who has proven he can do the job, plus has plenty of experience from the Premier League itself.
Just who do you see as a better, viable candidate?
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Martinez turned down the Villa job last year to stay at Wigan. If Wigan stay up I think it fair to say he's not coming here.
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Less than ten years ago Roy was managing Viking Stavanger, then he moved on to mighty Finland. If the new manager is talented then it doesn't matter where he comes from. Besides, Roy's mission was to keep us in the Premier League, and who is better for that job than Martinez who has proven he can do the job, plus has plenty of experience from the Premier League itself.
Just who do you see as a better, viable candidate?
I have not once felt worried being in the premier league under Roy...he has the security around him that calms player and fans who have confidence in him! The is a lot of benifits to getting an manager who has contacts as all baggies fans know. We would never have done the great escape if Robson had no links with Man United and got Richardson and being that bigger name who could actract Kanu who to be quiet frank was one the best players ive ever seen in a Albion shirt.
Martinez has links to Swansea where he is hated and Wigan....Brilliant!
There are so many reason why I dont want him, and if your looking for an answer to your question....AVB Benitez and Ranieri....and id like to point out i never though Roy was a Viable option a season and a half ago because i thought he was too big for us!
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Didn't Megson sign Kanu?
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Martinez's reputation is sky high at the moment. I don't think is a viable option for us at all.
We could do with a talented coach who is desperate to enhance or recover their damaged reputation by working here. Consequently it may increase the odds of it being a shorter term job, but I don't think that is particularly poignant.
Hughton and Ranieri are the stand out candidates for me currently. (obviously we don't know all the candidates.)
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Didn't Megson sign Kanu?
Proberbly...im shatterd and was trying to think of weather to mention Campbell or Kanu lol
Off to bed, but no manager who is a backwards step for me!
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Ranieri story from the Birmingham Mail
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/07/west-brom-albion-hold-talks-with-ex-chelsea-boss-claudio-ranieri-97319-30920663/
Initial discussions nothing concrete and given that he is unemployed one of the easier managers to talk to so we would be mad not to. I still think this is unlikely.
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It also said in that article the club want a manger in place by the end of May, so expect it to hot up as soon as Roy leaves.Still think were play it safe and go for Hughton. Nothing wrong with getting Hughton mind :)
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It also said in that article the club want a manger in place by the end of May, so expect it to hot up as soon as Roy leaves.Still think were play it safe and go for Hughton. Nothing wrong with getting Hughton mind :)
I'm still concerned about how we outplayed Hughton's Newcastle side in all three games of their Championship season... Not sure he'll bring the football people will demand. To a certain extent we put up with direct football because we know Roy has been there and done it. Not sure Hughton would receive the same forbearance.
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Ranieri story from the Birmingham Mail
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/07/west-brom-albion-hold-talks-with-ex-chelsea-boss-claudio-ranieri-97319-30920663/
Initial discussions nothing concrete and given that he is unemployed one of the easier managers to talk to so we would be mad not to. I still think this is unlikely.
True we could just be doing due diligence.
"Baggies officials arranged a meeting after his name had been put forward to them by agents acting on his behalf."
Surely this highlights he is enthusiastic to meet us and discuss a potential deal though. He actively is approaching us to explore the possibility of a role here. We aren't an affluent club and I don't see what would seriously attract him here or make him pursue us. I suppose the main concern is he maybe using us to broadcast his availability to the rest of the football world - perhaps a cynical perspective - when you consider he did hold discussions, his agent could of merely linked him to us in the press.
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I'm still concerned about how we outplayed Hughton's Newcastle side in all three games of their Championship season... Not sure he'll bring the football people will demand. To a certain extent we put up with direct football because we know Roy has been there and done it. Not sure Hughton would receive the same forbearance.
To be honest I am not sure if that is Hughton's preferred style or rather he was adopting the style because it was best suited to the players he had i.e. Carroll Nolan and Amiobi (didn't he lose Ben Arfa after a few games with a broken leg ?).
Although I would prefer to see free flowing football I still think the club is at a point in it's development where solid organisation and graft will keep us in the Division a pragmatic approach is required.
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You can have solid organization and graft with good football, they complement each other. The top teams work bloody hard at the defensive side of the game.
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To be honest I am not sure if that is Hughton's preferred style or rather he was adopting the style because it was best suited to the players he had i.e. Carroll Nolan and Amiobi (didn't he lose Ben Arfa after a few games with a broken leg ?).
Although I would prefer to see free flowing football I still think the club is at a point in it's development where solid organisation and graft will keep us in the Division a pragmatic approach is required.
GrGr got in before me, the two aren't mutually exclusive, we can still play the same way we do now, but without our centre halves constantly lumping it forwards (or giving it away)
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True we could just be doing due diligence.
"Baggies officials arranged a meeting after his name had been put forward to them by agents acting on his behalf."
Surely this highlights he is enthusiastic to meet us and discuss a potential deal though. He actively is approaching us to explore the possibility of a role here. We aren't an affluent club and I don't see what would seriously attract him here or make him pursue us. I suppose the main concern is he maybe using us to broadcast his availability to the rest of the football world - perhaps a cynical perspective - when you consider he did hold discussions, his agent could of merely linked him to us in the press.
It is not a secret, it seems an awful lot of effort for some unnecessary publicity. I think he is genuinely interested in a return to England but I think he would prefer a club with a bit higher profile than ourselves.
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It is not a secret, it seems an awful lot of effort for some unnecessary publicity. I think he is genuinely interested in a return to England but I think he would prefer a club with a bit higher profile than ourselves.
I certainly believe he would want to be at a higher profile club than ourselves eventually. I have no problem with that, it emphasises his impressive reputation and reveals his ambition hasn't diminished. It's about how he would want to achieve that objective; he could either accomplish that goal by taking the job and being successful (I.e Roy)or just waiting around for a bigger club to come for him (might not happen.) We could facilitate his eventual departure with a short-term contract, like Roy's, or include clauses so if a bigger club came in both parties could benefit.
I am getting ahead of myself I know, but I don't think we should necessarily rule it out. It would be interesting to know how the discussions went.
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I certainly believe he would want to be at a higher profile club than ourselves eventually. I have no problem with that, it emphasises his impressive reputation and reveals his ambition hasn't diminished. It's about how he would want to achieve that objective; he could either accomplish that goal by taking the job and being successful (I.e Roy)or just waiting around for a bigger club to come for him (might not happen.) We could facilitate his eventual departure with a short-term contract, like Roy's, or include clauses so if a bigger club came in both parties could benefit.
I am getting ahead of myself I know, but I don't think we should necessarily rule it out. It would be interesting to know how the discussions went.
Have we not offered one year rolling contracts to our last two managers? No brainer for me get Claudio on a similar deal.
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Have we not offered one year rolling contracts to our last two managers? No brainer for me get Claudio on a similar deal.
Yes apart from Roy who had an 18 month deal. I believe Roy had a substantial financial bonus for keeping us up in the Premiership (1.5million allegedly). I don't see why we can't offer a significant reward based contract to lure a high class coach in and ensure they are/Claudio is ;D determined to succeed.
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i think the ball will start rolling once blues future is decided. nothing wrong with ranieri throwing his name forward, wouldnt hurt to speak to him see how he sees his future. hughton is the safer bet and most would be happy i reckon
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GrGr got in before me, the two aren't mutually exclusive, we can still play the same way we do now, but without our centre halves constantly lumping it forwards (or giving it away)
No argument from me however I have witnessed the extreme defensive naivety of the Mowbray era and some of Wigan's performances and I do not want to lose our new found defensive stability. One of the reasons that Swansea have been successful is because the free flowing football is underpinned by a well drilled defense they work extremely hard when they are out of possession. Unfortunately Rodgers will not be our next coach.
Hodgson spent his time here sorting us out defensively something neither DiMatteo or Mowbray ever quite achieved and I think the quality of the football suffered at times but it was what needed to be done. I want a coach who is pragmatic ideally one that has a plan b and if parking the bus is what is needed is not ashamed to do it.
Personally I think Poyet might be a good shout as he probably strikes a balance between the two approaches. Aside from a couple of monumental stuffing's Brighton have allied a passing game with a fairly sound defense.
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http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2012/05/08/west-brom-hold-talks-with-claudio-ranieri/
Just came across another Ranieri story from 8am this morning. Quite interesting.
I'd be happy with Ranieri, Martinez or Hughton. In fact, I'd be very happy with Ranieri as his international contacts would be great news for WBA.
Gaining a Head Coach like Ranieri would be another big-name appointment and would no doubt raise our profile further. I was intruiged by the way Ranieri's agent contacted WBA, and not the other way around. Excellent news. :)
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I'm not convinced we'll get Ranieri. Think he'll command a higher wage than we can afford and probably want a bigger transfer kitty also.
Also not convinced hes right for us. The positives are that he's a name that will attract players and he has worked at the top level of European football but can he work on a budget and get the best out of a mid-table quality of player?
Just cant see it.
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I have never been a fan of Chris Hughton, I know he has done a good job at Newcastle and at Blues but I just can’t warm to the bloke. I’d love Raneri but I cant see it happening, for the reason Kris has said above.
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Ranieri would be massive for us, hugely experienced and must have great contacts. Of the other targets I'm just not sure about Hughton, but then I wasn't sure about Roy either!
I wouldn't want Martinez, Bruce, Curbbishly, or Poyet. Just don't think they would be a good fit for us.
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Fair play to Ranieri's agents, they seem to keep finding him work.
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To be honest i would prefer us to play safe and go for British
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To be honest i would prefer us to play safe and go for British
Why? I'd prefer us to go with best option regardless of nationality
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I have never been a fan of Chris Hughton, I know he has done a good job at Newcastle and at Blues but I just can’t warm to the bloke. I’d love Raneri but I cant see it happening, for the reason Kris has said above.
Has he really done that good a job though, he won the second division of England with Newcastle who are a premiership team anyway and is in the playoffs with the blues which given there players is where they should be
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Has he really done that good a job though, he won the second division of England with Newcastle who are a premiership team anyway and is in the playoffs with the blues which given there players is where they should be
He was very well respected as a coach at Tottenham, and under the circumstances and expectation at Newcastle in his first season as manager that was a big acheivement to be fair, and if you look at the circumstances (financially) at Blues and the fact they have had a lot of games this season and a European campaign too he has done a decent job to get them in the play offs. I think they have only lost 1 game at home all season so credit where due he has been a manager for 2 full seasons and produced the goods under difficult circumstances so cant knock him at all and I wouldnt be dissapointed if we had him in charge next season. That being said I would like us to push the boat out and get Ranieri out of all the names being banded about but still early days yet.....
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I totally understand what you are saying but i still think a team with "krul/harper, Steven Taylor, colocinni, Barton, routledge and Andy Carroll" or a team of "myhill, davies, Carr, Redmond, zigic, king" should be getting promoted. I still don't think he has achieved anything amazing. We will have to agree to disagree ;D
I'd still rather have Ranieri for experience and to take us to the next level
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Ranieri over Hughton without a doubt. Its Ranieri FFS! A continental manager!
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Ranieri over Hughton without a doubt. Its Ranieri FFS! A continental manager!
But unproven at doing well at clubs with limited funds. Unlike Hughton.
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I don't get the hype over Hughton either myself. He's done a good job at Championship level but will he take us to the next level? Is he any better than RDM?
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RDM has just won tha FA Cup final and also lead Chelsea to Munich. Enough said.
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RDM has just won tha FA Cup final and also lead Chelsea to Munich. Enough said.
and yet left us sinking like a stone with no apparent idea how to stop it. Also brought in Reuben Reid as his signing.
Chelsea have a fantastic world class squad of players and in Eddie Newton an excellent coach not to mention a scouting system a club like ours can only dream off.
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and yet left us sinking like a stone with no apparent idea how to stop it. Also brought in Reuben Reid as his signing.
Chelsea have a fantastic world class squad of players and in Eddie Newton an excellent coach not to mention a scouting system a club like ours can only dream off.
Agree but AVB wasnt doing very well with that world class sqaud
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Agree but AVB wasnt doing very well with that world class sqaud
AVB seemed to have been given a job to do by the owner but not much backing in doing it. RDM is well known to the players and they have had a 'pep' talk from the owner since AVBs' sacking.
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Can't understand people not happy with Ranieri... Shocking.
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The Tinkerman is a very risky road to go down
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The Tinkerman is a very risky road to go down
Why? Im interested too see the difference in views between Hodgson and Ranieri from fans
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Does anyone here really think that Ranieri would get us relegated?
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The Tinkerman is a very risky road to go down
Risky?? Are you mad??
Cagliari Calcio Serie B: Promotion (third place) 1989–90
Serie C1: Championship 1988–89
Coppa Italia Serie C: 1989
ACF Fiorentina Serie B Championship: 1993–94
Coppa Italia: 1996
Supercoppa Italiana: 1996
Chelsea Premier League Asia Trophy: 2003
Valencia CF Copa del Rey: 1999
UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1998
UEFA Super Cup: 2004
Plus a further 3 cup finals lost, and runner up 3 times in the top divisions in England and Italy
Last 3 clubs Juve (3rd/2nd) Roma (2nd, Cup final) and Inter, not the worst CV in the world, why do you deem this a risk?? The only risk I can see is him using us as a stepping stone, but to do that he has to do well with us so it is win win isnt it?
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God if Raneri is a risk, who do you think a safe option is??
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to me Ranieri is just the type of manager we should be looking for.
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Im not saying there arent other worthy candidates for consideration but Claudio Ranieri must be given the respect his CV deserves just like Roys was. One question I would pose is How important is past experience in the make up of a modern PL manager? If we look at the current crop Man U - Ferguson Arsenal - Wenger Everton - Moyes Stoke - Pulis Spurs - Redknapp Sunderland - Oneill Fulham - Jol Wigan - Martinez. All well established teams with established managers. Im thinking that more than ever experience is a major advantage in this cut throat environment
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Im not saying there arent other worthy candidates for consideration but Claudio Ranieri must be given the respect his CV deserves just like Roys was. One question I would pose is How important is past experience in the make up of a modern PL manager? If we look at the current crop Man U - Ferguson Arsenal - Wenger Everton - Moyes Stoke - Pulis Spurs - Redknapp Sunderland - Oneill Fulham - Jol Wigan - Martinez. All well established teams with established managers. Im thinking that more than ever experience is a major advantage in this cut throat environment
I agree totally. We have been down the 'unproven' manager route before and it hasn't worked. Yes people could point at Rodgers and Lambert but lets see how they fair next season. Look at the current bottom 3. Connor/Kean/Coyle - fairly inexperienced. Could we risk an appointment like one of those? Ranieri would be an amazing coup. Curbishley is another that should be considered too IMO.
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But unproven at doing well at clubs with limited funds. Unlike Hughton.
I see your point Dangerman but Im not sure this is as big a factor as its often made out to be. For me its all about the coaches ability to work with the players on the training field. Ranieri may be just as good as Hughton in this respect. Its just that he has possibly had more work opportunities at wealthier clubs come his way. Often that is not all to do with football but partly to do with personal ambition.
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Does anyone here really think that Ranieri would get us relegated?
players get you relegated more so than managers!Also he has worked in the premier league before so knows a bit about it and wouldnt be going in blind.
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I think the next appointment is huge, i had stated before if we are going to be looking at Mid Table then i would like us to be exciting to watch and that get somebody in for the long haul who will help the gradual building, put there own stamp on things - ie Karl Robinson, Poyet, Appleton, Mcinnes, etc but the risk is it goes t**s up and we drop down, another option maybe not be as exciting but reliable manager such as Hughton or Curbishley which would probably be the safe steady appointment.
My only concern with the above is the 'name and reputation' thing, our present manager carries a lot of respect in football and i think some of our players really brought into what he did - Foster, GMac, Ridgewell, Gera, Olsson, Fortune, Morrison and i think Long was gushing about him when he signed too and Roy seems to command that respect and of some of those players mentioned (Foster, Olsson) have indicated their decision on their future had a lot to do with Roys plans. I know other players maybe havent flourished as much, Mulumbu, Odemwingie, Brunt and thats the same with all managers some benefit others dont but i think we are at the stage where we now respected as a premiership team and to attract better players a bigger name may help us so on that basis a Ranieri would have an advantage over Hughton. Just one way of looking at things i suppose.
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I have to say i'm amazed that there's anyone who doesn't want Ranieri! I guess it shows how much of an influence the media has when people say they'd prefer Martinez. That's Martinez who's done significantly worse than Steve Bruce for Wigan, but gets made out to be a genius.
You don't manage the clubs Ranieri has without being a VERY good manager. It makes me laugh seeing people bring up that he hasn't won that much - a problem maybe if it was Chelsea or Man U looking to appoint a manager, for us I don't think a lack of top division titles is really a problem.
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I think the next appointment is huge, i had stated before if we are going to be looking at Mid Table then i would like us to be exciting to watch and that get somebody in for the long haul who will help the gradual building, put there own stamp on things - ie Karl Robinson, Poyet, Appleton, Mcinnes, etc but the risk is it goes t**s up and we drop down, another option maybe not be as exciting but reliable manager such as Hughton or Curbishley which would probably be the safe steady appointment.
My only concern with the above is the 'name and reputation' thing, our present manager carries a lot of respect in football and i think some of our players really brought into what he did - Foster, GMac, Ridgewell, Gera, Olsson, Fortune, Morrison and i think Long was gushing about him when he signed too and Roy seems to command that respect and of some of those players mentioned (Foster, Olsson) have indicated their decision on their future had a lot to do with Roys plans. I know other players maybe havent flourished as much, Mulumbu, Odemwingie, Brunt and thats the same with all managers some benefit others dont but i think we are at the stage where we now respected as a premiership team and to attract better players a bigger name may help us so on that basis a Ranieri would have an advantage over Hughton. Just one way of looking at things i suppose.
Think thats the risk right there. The PL is a pressure cooker. There seems little opportunity for relatively inexperienced managers to cut their teeth and build. I think this has to be done in lower divisions these days. My view would be that the club should try to appoint the most experienced and suitable manager it possibly can even if it has to stretch the wages for him a little. Its when things arnt going so well that this experience can be so vital in stopping the rot and steadying the ship
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I think now it would appear we seem to be seriously interested in Ranieri and Vise Versa, for me he would be the obvious choice, if he has the hunger to come to us whether its point to prove or not we should get him. Its possibly a win win for us, if Ranieri has his eyes on bigger clubs over here he would need to do a good job for us first!
If we could get say him in with a young upcoming manager from lower down and then blood them so they take over in a couple of years thats the ideal scenario, keep the continuity when it comes to promoting the youth, football style, etc but i am not sure many up and coming young managers (ie - Karl Robinson, Appleton, Mcinnes) would want to step down from being the main man to be number 2 with us, although we are on the up we are not really a Man United, Chelsea, etc!
For a safe option i think Hughton fits the bill, but not sure its as cut and dried as made out, he seems a loyal bloke and he probably has job security at Blues for a couple of years, similar to the above although we are on the up its not like jumping from Blues to one of the big 4!
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I"m sort of hoping that Blues get through to the final at least, the reason is that if they dont and we interveiw Hughton again in the next week or 2 and dont give him the job AGAIN, then perhaps he would never consider a 3rd interveiw somewhere down the line.
I would prefer Ranieri for his experience etc etc, but wouldnt mind Hughton.
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I think now it would appear we seem to be seriously interested in Ranieri and Vise Versa, for me he would be the obvious choice, if he has the hunger to come to us whether its point to prove or not we should get him. Its possibly a win win for us, if Ranieri has his eyes on bigger clubs over here he would need to do a good job for us first!
If we could get say him in with a young upcoming manager from lower down and then blood them so they take over in a couple of years thats the ideal scenario, keep the continuity when it comes to promoting the youth, football style, etc but i am not sure many up and coming young managers (ie - Karl Robinson, Appleton, Mcinnes) would want to step down from being the main man to be number 2 with us, although we are on the up we are not really a Man United, Chelsea, etc!
For a safe option i think Hughton fits the bill, but not sure its as cut and dried as made out, he seems a loyal bloke and he probably has job security at Blues for a couple of years, similar to the above although we are on the up its not like jumping from Blues to one of the big 4!
Not so sure about that. It seems to me that he is out of work, we are looking for a manager, 2+2 = 4. Easy option in other words. Over the moon that he IS an option, but I would suggest there is nothing more in it than that he is out of work so is the easiest 'candidate' to start with.
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The Tinkerman is a very risky road to go down
unlike unproven kids like Appleton and McInnes who lets face it would not even have been mentioned if it wasnt for them playing for us in the past.
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Won't be hughton, we would be absolutely daft to upset blues when we are going to try and sign their prize asset (foster).
Additionally when we first looked at him we were still not premier established , we are now and need different things (experience) so ranieri fits the bill .
On top of all this is odds go from 33/1 to 4/11 within 3 days (poor bookie anyone?) and the club don't usually announce anything unless it's happening .
Make up your own minds but when I put the bet on I got good odds ;)
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Even experienced managers get clubs relegated.
Hodgson was a match made in heaven for us, we suited him and visa versa.
Whatever manger we get next is a punt to some extent as we're not sure if we're both suited.
I would say that Ranieri is possibly less risky than some of the names mentioned
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You can get Martinez at 40/1 :o
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You can get Martinez at 40/1 :o
He is a completely unrealistic target that's why.
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You can get Martinez at 40/1 :o
Think it's worth a bet? ;)
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Ranieri,Appleton, and McInnes need adding to the list.
I wouldnt mind seeing Michael Laudrup take the Albion job with Ranieri a close 2nd.
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Initial shortlist of four is being suggested heavily. I would imagine Ranieri and Hughton are in there but as to any further than that nobody will stick there neck out to say at the moment. I would imagine due to the love Peace has for him and how close he was to getting the job before RDM did that Mcinnes would be up there at some level whether deserved or not.
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I would not be unhappy with Ranieri. He's a very likeable bloke, but his English needs to be good enough to get his points across. i.e. alot better than Capello. The other thing is, does he know enough about players over here? You can bet if he's looking to fill a position, he will know alot more players from Serie A and the only problem with that is that there will be upheaval maybe for a couple of years whilst a new team beds in.
A safer bet would be Hughton. Players seem to want to play for him. Football management is partly about technical and tactical knowledge, and partly about communicating with the players in the right way. I think Hughton has got that.
If Brendan Rogers had not just signed a long contract at Swansea he could have been a serious candidate. Big thing about him is he plays the game the right way, which is important for me as an Albion fan.
Finally, knowing Chelsea as we do and their erratic owner, wouldn't be surprised to see RDM ousted soon (regardless of Champions Final result). Given his extra experience in the interim, would't be too unhappy about him getting another chance at the Hawthorns.
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Id be over the moon with either ranieri or hughton. Any of the others i wouldnt want or we aint going to get like martinez
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As much as Ranieri would be a massive coup for the club and show we really are a club going forward I just cant see it being the right match.
He's a manager used to having big budgets and big names at his disposal, often taking charge of clubs on a completely different level to Albion.
I just think a few fans need to take a step back and not get too carried away; its far too easy to get complacent and struggle like so many others have in the past. At the moment we just need somebody who can consolidate.
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Finally, knowing Chelsea as we do and their erratic owner, wouldn't be surprised to see RDM ousted soon (regardless of Champions Final result). Given his extra experience in the interim, would't be too unhappy about him getting another chance at the Hawthorns.
I wouldnt mind di matteo back either but di matteo dosent seem to me to be a bloke who would go back to a job that he was sacked from less then 2 years ago. The guy seems to arrogant to do that so i really cannot see it happening!
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Wouldn't touch RDM with a s***** stick, he's gone in at Chelsea, reversed all the changes AVB made and got extremely lucky twice against Barca. Anyone could have changed their fortunes. He had no idea how to reverse the spiral we were in when he got the bullet. Of our previous managers the only one I'd consider would be Mowbray, and that would be close to a last resort.
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I have mixed feelings about Ranieri. He has usually had big budgets and not won much. Could he work with a smaller budget? I think he would either do really well or have a complete disaster. Hughton would probably be better if we are looking to consolidate.
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I would feel safer with Hughton but I'm sure whoever is appointed will be clear that they buy into the West Brom project (as Roy called it).
If JP and Dan are convined that Ranieri wants to build something at a club then he would be a real contender.
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Am I just being pessimistic thinking that pethaps Ranieri is getting himself in the shop windows using us as coverage for another bigger job?
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What are the odds on SAF? He could end up trophyless this season!
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I think Mackay could be a dark horse for the job, he got Cardiff to the play offs and was also a penalty shootout away from winning the League Cup. He has brought a lot of youngsters through for both Cardiff and Watford and has also done it playing decent football. If we're considering Poyet, Hughton etc., I'm sure we'd be looking at Mackay as well.
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unlike unproven kids like Appleton and McInnes who lets face it would not even have been mentioned if it wasnt for them playing for us in the past.
Yup. I fail to see what either have done in their managerial careers so far that would have anyone confident that we'd hold our own in the Premiership. We shouldn't offer them a job because they used to play for us, that's no guarantee they're a premier league quality manager.
Even Hughton is a bit iffy but at least has done a decent job at Brum. RDM had a similar record as Hughton when Newcastle sacked him. I don't think it's a gimme that Hughton is definitely the quality we need - Megson and Mowbray both took us out of the championship in a better way than Hughton might. Don't get me wrong, I'd take Hughton ahead of the rest but if someone like Ranieri comes knocking you pay attention.
I just can't believe people are using the fact Ranieri has had a host of jobs as evidence for not signing him. Neither did Roy. You don't manage the teams Ranieri has without knowing what you're doing.
I see it similar to signing Roy, but I view Ranieri as an even better manager.
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Wouldn't touch RDM with a s***** stick, he's gone in at Chelsea, reversed all the changes AVB made and got extremely lucky twice against Barca. Anyone could have changed their fortunes. He had no idea how to reverse the spiral we were in when he got the bullet. Of our previous managers the only one I'd consider would be Mowbray, and that would be close to a last resort.
You don't get extremely lucky against Barca twice. You're understating just what he's done there to turn things around. When he got the sack from us it was just as we were getting our players back from injury and suspension, as well as having an easier run of 3 games. At some points in Dec\Jan we were without pretty much all our back four. Keep in mind when he got the sack he had the same number of points as Roy did this season. That's including Roy having Foster instead of Carson, MaCauley, Ridgewell, Jones, Gera, Long, etc. I'd be happy with RDM back. Would prefer not to go back to an old manager (Ranieri then Hughton for me), but I'd take him ahead of Mad Mick, Bruce, Curbishley, Warnock, etc.
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Noticed Mowbray has gone down to 6-1 at William Hill and 8-1 at Ladbrokes.
I think hes got unfinished business at The Hawthorns.
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Am I just being pessimistic thinking that pethaps Ranieri is getting himself in the shop windows using us as coverage for another bigger job?
Wouldn't that apply to any manager with ambitions? We are always going to be a stepping stone for players / managers etc. If they leave us in a better state then they have done a good job.
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Noticed Mowbray has gone down to 6-1 at William Hill and 8-1 at Ladbrokes.
I think hes got unfinished business at The Hawthorns.
God, i hope not. We dont want to go backwards after 2 great years in the prem. Mr Mowbray is in the past now, thanks but a big NO thanks.
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God, i hope not. We dont want to go backwards after 2 great years in the prem. Mr Mowbray is in the past now, thanks but a big NO thanks.
I wouldn't have minded so much but his "players need to be loyal" speech and then buggering off put me off. And then his spell at Celtic was pretty poor considering he only has one team to beat a season.
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I never liked him. He should have got us promoted first season with the squad we had. OK so we won the league ( and so we should have with a very good squad) playing some great stuff but with the lowest points total for years. He's done nothing since. I thought RDM's achievements were far better.
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I wouldn't have minded so much but his "players need to be loyal" speech and then buggering off put me off. And then his spell at Celtic was pretty poor considering he only has one team to beat a season.
The relationship with Celtic goes beyond football though. He was always going to go there with his history.
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Ranieri would be a fantastic marquee signing by the club and would send out the right message about the clubs intentions for the future.
Fingers crossed.... Hughton was my preferred choice but Ranieri would even eclipse that.
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The relationship with Celtic goes beyond football though. He was always going to go there with his history.
well let the judas go back there
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Noticed Mowbray has gone down to 6-1 at William Hill and 8-1 at Ladbrokes.
I think hes got unfinished business at The Hawthorns.
As far as i remember TM and JP parted on poor terms.Not quite Megson levels but its a non starter imo.
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Going to be interesting few weeks, its only rumours but it was going round last night Mcleish had been sacked and now it appears its already done he leaves after their final game vs Norwich on sunday.
That would leave us and Villa in the Prem looking for a new manager, i think we do have a genuine interest in Ranieri but as somebody pointed out previous i wonder if he is touting it around that he is available and seeing what comes in, if he wants to work in topflight in England its basically us or Villa.
As much as i hate to say it i think he would probably go to Villa. Although we have a better team and squad at the moment as the league suggests, unfortunately Villa are a bigger club than us (although we are catching up well in all areas) and they have a money man in charge who has the potential to spend big if he wants, we dont have that. Lerner has been playing it tight the last season or two, although they still spent 20m on Bent, £4m Hutton, £5m Given, £10m N Zogbia but he proved with O Neill that he can spend big if he wants and i think if he was to use that sales patter to Ranieri, Ranieri would end up there. Also i would be surprised if Villa got a manager from another team again, the last 3 seasons they have paid off ONeill, Houliier and possibly Mcleish as well as a transfer fee for Mcleish so i imagine somebody out of work will fit the bill!
All the above is hypothetical about Villa and they may choose to go down the same route as this year but there is so much apathy and hatred there the owners must realise they got to do something different and thats why it would not surprise me Ranieri ends up there. From Ranieri point of view, making it public he likes West Brom is making it clear he dont expect a top 4 job but he is available for the right club, notice AVB and Benitez havent declared their interest, they will wait on top jobs and that would rule Villa out too.
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Going to be interesting few weeks, its only rumours but it was going round last night Mcleish had been sacked and now it appears its already done he leaves after their final game vs Norwich on sunday.
That would leave us and Villa in the Prem looking for a new manager, i think we do have a genuine interest in Ranieri but as somebody pointed out previous i wonder if he is touting it around that he is available and seeing what comes in, if he wants to work in topflight in England its basically us or Villa.
As much as i hate to say it i think he would probably go to Villa. Although we have a better team and squad at the moment as the league suggests, unfortunately Villa are a bigger club than us (although we are catching up well in all areas) and they have a money man in charge who has the potential to spend big if he wants, we dont have that. Lerner has been playing it tight the last season or two, although they still spent 20m on Bent, £4m Hutton, £5m Given, £10m N Zogbia but he proved with O Neill that he can spend big if he wants and i think if he was to use that sales patter to Ranieri, Ranieri would end up there. Also i would be surprised if Villa got a manager from another team again, the last 3 seasons they have paid off ONeill, Houliier and possibly Mcleish as well as a transfer fee for Mcleish so i imagine somebody out of work will fit the bill!
All the above is hypothetical about Villa and they may choose to go down the same route as this year but there is so much apathy and hatred there the owners must realise they got to do something different and thats why it would not surprise me Ranieri ends up there. From Ranieri point of view, making it public he likes West Brom is making it clear he dont expect a top 4 job but he is available for the right club, notice AVB and Benitez havent declared their interest, they will wait on top jobs and that would rule Villa out too.
In truth they spent nothing with the money coming in from the diver, Downing and Barrie
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I know what you mean tuamigos but could you ever see us spending £10m plus on a player? I personally cant, i am not knocking it, out the signings mentioned i think there is only Given and Bent been half decent for them so goes to show money isnt everything but i think with somebody like Ranieri if he knows he has the option to spend £10m, £15m, £20m on a player then that would appeal.
I think its the way we are setup as a club (and it works) that even if we sold say Mulumbu for £10m and Odemwingie for £10m i would expect us to sign 4-5 players for £3-4 million rather than another 2 players for 10m each.
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In truth they spent nothing with the money coming in from the diver, Downing and Barrie
And they have to cut costs again this year , hardly appealing is it ??
On the subject of the shortlist of 4
Mine would be
Ranieri ...proven, good draw
benitez...proven , good draw
rdm...as learned and improved
Martinez proven (ish) needs a bigger club.
I dont think mcinnes will be on it regardless of his relationship with JP, Jp is a businessman and a pretty bloody good one as well..
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I know what you mean tuamigos but could you ever see us spending £10m plus on a player? I personally cant, i am not knocking it, out the signings mentioned i think there is only Given and Bent been half decent for them so goes to show money isnt everything but i think with somebody like Ranieri if he knows he has the option to spend £10m, £15m, £20m on a player then that would appeal.
I think its the way we are setup as a club (and it works) that even if we sold say Mulumbu for £10m and Odemwingie for £10m i would expect us to sign 4-5 players for £3-4 million rather than another 2 players for 10m each.
Give Dan 20million and he will get us the players for europe..
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For the record i am not saying Villa are a bigger attraction than us at the moment, at the present time we would be more appealing but they have an owner who has proved he will spend big and he can do so again if he wants (according to the local journalists he is planning to spend big again this summer which makes think Mcleish definitely wont be there) where as we dont and with certain managers that will turn their head.
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there is no way we can compete with the Vile, they are simply massive over us.Always have been always will be.Anyone that says different is deluded
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I agree Zippy, i think the way we are run and scout we would get good value for the £20m (example), i think somebody like a Hughton or up and coming manager would buy into that and get 4-5 players from it, my doubt would be with a Ranieri is would they want that on 2 players.
If we could get Ranieri then i think we should but i think he may have his head turned elsewhere.
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Thing is, are we talking in our example about 20mill that covers just transfer fees, or wages as well.
If its just transfer fees, we'd improve our squad massively. If its wages as well, Jp would probably only allow a couple of players from that amount, because of the usual offsetting the wages for the duration of their contract. Thats why our budget tends to be quite small.
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Noticed Mowbray has gone down to 6-1 at William Hill and 8-1 at Ladbrokes.
I think hes got unfinished business at The Hawthorns.
Wasn't it reported that he wasn't happy here when he left anyway?
For what its worth, anyone who wants him should think again. The Mowbray of Middlesbrough plays direct football. Only he's not particularly successful at that either.
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Paolo Di Canio?
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Wasn't it reported that he wasn't happy here when he left anyway?
For what its worth, anyone who wants him should think again. The Mowbray of Middlesbrough plays direct football. Only he's not particularly successful at that either.
I'd be surprised if they did.
All he spoke about when he was at us was 'philosophy, philosophy, philosophy'.
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Paolo Di Canio?
Horrid little Fascist..wouldn't want him anywhere near Albion
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surely it has to be Martinez........his style will fit in perfectly with out current players (plus an addition or two up front)
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What is the fascination with Martinez? Every season Wigan are down at the bottom and then pull off a few wins to scrape to safety at the end.
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And they have to cut costs again this year , hardly appealing is it ??
On the subject of the shortlist of 4
Mine would be
Ranieri ...proven, good draw
benitez...proven , good draw
rdm...as learned and improved
Martinez proven (ish) needs a bigger club.
I dont think mcinnes will be on it regardless of his relationship with JP, Jp is a businessman and a pretty bloody good one as well..
The problem is Zippy it is a bit of a fantasy list. Raneri and Martinez aren't out of the realms of possibility but, certainly in Martinez's case, the assertion that he will move to a "bigger club" and then come to us is maybe a bit of over statement of our size. Why would Martinez jump at the idea of leaving a side who battle against Relegation and will go down in the next 2 or 3 years to join a club who battle against relegation and, although are better off, are still only aiming for 10th place. He might come, but I think he will wait for an offer from an Everton, Fulham or Sunderland - a club who might make Europe.
If you put RDM and Benitez in, you may as well put Guardiola and Wenger in as well because they are all just as likely. Benitez knows if he waits he will end up at a title challenger somewhere and if RDM doesn't get the Chelsea job now, he will simply take one of the job offers from another top club who will now jump at having him.
Martinez and Raneri are outside shots at our job, but I still believe Hughton or somebody similar will be in charge next season.
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there is no way we can compete with the Vile, they are simply massive over us.Always have been always will be.Anyone that says different is deluded
Think you ll find we are doing OK this season? Bigger club yes but if your a baggies fan would you really care that much? Next few years might be interesting because at the moment I dont see Villa making much more progress than us.
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Given a straight choice between ourselves and Villa I am afraid that Ranieri will choose them. While they are an awful mess right now from a coach's point of view it is not a bad time to take them over. The fans expectations have been dampened down whoever takes over will be hailed as hero just for not being McLeish. The squad isn't terrible providing that nobody thinks they are going to be qualifying for the champions league and Lerner will spend some money just to avoid the financial disaster that is relegation.
Whereas we at the Albion we are pretty much in a situation that is difficult to improve upon and there is less potential to work with.
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Martinez would see us as a step up (see table) and we have a system of progression in place and a very well structured club.
Are villa a bigger club, yes, god knows we have all heard about the history, however they are tightening their belts , people point out that they have spent big before so have Portsmouth and Leeds , they will not be spending big this year and will be trimming down bent out Karl Henry in .
Can't wait for next season
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Think you ll find we are doing OK this season? Bigger club yes but if your a baggies fan would you really care that much? Next few years might be interesting because at the moment I dont see Villa making much more progress than us.
It all depends what Villa's plans are for next season and how this season has helped their finances.
They have had to scale back over the last 2 years financially, although the Darren Bent signing may have set them back a little.
Their player sales and transfer savings may these last few years may have put them on more of a solid foot and maybe this summer they will start to spend again, albeit it in a more sensible way. If that is the case, with a bigger wage bill, an increasing transfer fund and a solid base in the academy, Villa will be a better proposition than we are to managers.
If however they still need to make savings, then any manager will look at the 2 teams, one with a top 10 team (2 years on the trot in the central mid table positions suggests a strong team), with insignificant debt and a strong structure, and another with a team that only just survived relegation and in a mess, and they may decide we are stronger.
None of us can be sure of Villa's financial situation at the moment or summer plans. A lot will depend on that.
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It’s all Roy Roy Roy but where next for West Bromwich Albion?
Posted on May 9, 2012 Joel Ramey
It looked like Harry Redknapp, it felt like Harry Redknapp, it was certain to be Harry Redknapp, but alas it wasn’t Harry Redknapp after all. Following months of speculation and some well-voiced opinions from players, managers, and the media alike, the FA sprung a remarkable and ironic surprise on the nation when it came to announcing a new England manager…
On May 1st, 2012, it was announced that West Bromwich Albion manager Roy Hodgson would be the man to sign on the dotted line and become England manager for the next 4 years. The initial reaction to the appointment was one of bemusement – ‘Why not Harry Redknapp?’ was the question on the majority of peoples lips.
It didn’t take too long for Roy’s appointment to sink in and now everyone from players to managers, pundits to journalists and even the most opinionated of football bloggers have pledged their support for Hodgson. Roy may not be the personality take on the mammoth task that is the England job, but he is one of the most experienced English managers ever and his CV speaks for itself. Many see the England job as a poisoned chalice, managing a country that has underachieved in recent years, but has to keep pace with the world’s footballing giants or risk being left behind – the odds are already against Hodgson, but it is a job Hodgson will relish like some many other before.
It is not just Hodgson that the odds are against. His departure leaves a gaping hole in a club that has longed for a manager of his caliber for a long time. West Brom have not had the most illustrious of Premier League careers thus far. They are firmly established as a ‘yo-yo club’, generally getting relegated as quickly as they get promoted from the Championship. They last experienced this with Tony Mowbray back in the 2008/2009 season, a season in which they suffered the ignominy of finishing bottom of the Premier League with the title ‘whipping boys’.
West Brom’s latest return was under Roberto Di Matteo in the 2010/11 season after a successful campaign lead them to finish second in the Championship. The alarm bells started to ring at West Brom after Di Matteo experienced a run of 13 defeats in 18 games that would cost the Italian his job and leave West Brom hovering above the relegation zone. On February 11th, 2011, Roy Hodgson, fresh from a little break in the sun after his Liverpool sacking, took charge of the then struggling club.
The result? Hodgson would lead West Brom to their highest league finish (11th) for 3 decades.
Having carved out a reputation for himself as a top class manager at underachieving clubs, it seemed Hodgson had found himself a home once again. At last this ‘yo-yo club’ had found some stability that could keep them in the Premier League for the long term. With safety from relegation very much guaranteed this season and the club’s subsequent stay in the top flight extended, losing Roy Hodgson is a huge blow to West Brom in a bigger way than meets the eye.
Everyone forgets how far Roy Hodgson has bought West Brom and how integral he was to their continued Premier League status – now the pressure is on for West Brom to appoint someone to fill Hodgson’s rather large boots. The new manager will be tasked with galvanizing a squad who were firmly behind Hodgson as well as being able to live up to the high standards that Hodgson has set – Hodgson has a CV like no other having coached throughout Europe, so who can West Brom replace him with?
Had it been Harry Redknapp after all, one could just imagine the amount of quality applications that would’ve poured in at White Hart Lane. Top quality managers vying for control of a club with a growing status in the sport, a fantastic squad, and a decent transfer kitty. West Brom are a club with modest resources and a status that was only just stabilizing under Hodgson. They simply will not have their pick of the kind of managers that they need. Indeed, Roy Hodgson was a rare find for them, a manager who thrives against ever lengthening odds, a manager that has been hugely undervalued.
We have seen what can happen when a club loses a figurehead who fits – look at Charlton’s fall from grace. Every clubs aspires to ‘do a Charlton’ and Hodgson was well on his way to taking West Brom there as the club sits tenth in the Premier League, improving on last seasons eleventh place finish. England fans may have initially rebuked at the appointment of Roy Hodgson, but try finding another Roy Hodgson – it’s a hard task and don’t West Brom know it.
Thought this sort of summed the situation up quite nicely!
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Could you post the link up ruby ruby?
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Im not sure I agree with the article that much. The basic premise - that Hodgson will be hard to replace - is true.
The tone though suggested the author was looking down his nose at us. For instance, we were not the premier leagues whipping boys under Mowbray. We only finished 2 or 3 points from safety that season and out played most teams we played with the downfall of having a poor defence and having just lost 2 of our key attacking players in that summer.
I also dont agree that we "simply will not have their pick of the kind of managers that [we] need". Yes Spurs would have had a better choice but already we have been approached by people like Ranieri as well as other foreign coaches according to the local media and I actually feel there are some good choices out there who could be worth hiring.
If you do your research, and we will have done, there will be young managers out there who are good enough. All that is required is the forward thinking of clubs in Germany and Holland. If we can find a younger manager with an open mind, then we should be able to replace Hodgson, even if the new manager does not guarantee a 10/11 place finish like Hodgson seems to.
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Could you post the link up ruby ruby?
Im not sure how you do that baggies? but the article is off a site called footballrascal.com
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there is no way we can compete with the Vile, they are simply massive over us.Always have been always will be.Anyone that says different is deluded
you enjoy taking the p@@ ;D
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you enjoy taking the p@@ ;D
i agree with him to a certain extent to be fair to him. Most forieners would choose Villa over us even at this moment in time
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When hodgson left Fulham i expected them to struggle but he seems to have laid some solid foundations there,Heres to hoping he has done the same with us!
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When hodgson left Fulham i expected them to struggle but he seems to have laid some solid foundations there,Heres to hoping he has done the same with us!
But they have appointed well in Martin Jol.
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But they have appointed well in Martin Jol.
Yes they have but i still feel Hodgson laid the foundations.
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But they have appointed well in Martin Jol.
They did well with Mark Hughes too. Both reasonably high profile managers with Prem experience. Who currently available would you put into this bracket?
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Yes they have but i still feel Hodgson laid the foundations.
I do agree, but they appointed well to ensure their progress continued.
We are at a crossroads now, as Fulham kind of were when Roy left them.
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I was very keen on Hughton last week, but certainly have my reservations about him now.
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I said Holloway all along.His football and personality will do for me
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I said Holloway all along.His football and personality will do for me
I don't like him or his personality, but he's a top class manager. Totally outclassed and out-thought Hughton over the two legs.
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I fail to see why a player would currently choose Villa over us? Currently we are better than them. We are moving forwards. Villa financially are in a bit of a mess. They have an inept manager. I suppose they would be willing to offer irresponsible wages though which is the key.
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I fail to see why a player would currently choose Villa over us? Currently we are better than them. We are moving forwards. Villa financially are in a bit of a mess. They have an inept manager. I suppose they would be willing to offer irresponsible wages though which is the key.
Long term -villa are a much better prospect.
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We can never compete with Villa on salaries or fans
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I said Holloway all along.His football and personality will do for me
Then get relegated because he hasnt a clue about defending
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I said Holloway all along.His football and personality will do for me
5 up top/ bare at the back?......no thanks we need to keep along the lines of Roy in terms of shape and defending first in order to keep the club progressing.
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With Blues resigned to another year in the Championship it should now be much easier for us to attract Chris Hughton - if that is the Director's wish. Our first raid on St Andrews, however, must be for Ben Foster. It must be done immediately, though, as other clubs such as Spurs are bound to be interested.
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Chris Hughton is not for me I'm afraid.
I don't wish to see the likes of Zidic stuck up front at the Albion in a negative defensive line up.
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We can never compete with Villa on salaries or fans
probably correct but I only want players to come to WBA because they feel its the "right" club for them not because we won an auction with Aston Villa. As for fan base I couldnt careless what happens down the road. I just want to see our ground full.
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Chris Hughton is not for me I'm afraid.
I don't wish to see the likes of Zidic stuck up front at the Albion in a negative defensive line up.
A good manager plays to a teams strengths and doesn't just pick a we play this way style.
Any sensible manager who takes over us would look to carry on as much as possible the current setup
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A good manager plays to a teams strengths and doesn't just pick a we play this way style.
Any sensible manager who takes over us would look to carry on as much as possible the current setup
Exactly and its not like Hughton could have gone out and bought another striker, Birmingham have not got a pot to urine in at the moment. I think all the signings Chris had to make were free?
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I think it fair to say now that there was very clearly a decent base of players at Newcastle while Hughton was there.
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I don't think it just pure coincidence that both Pardew and Hughton have gained great credibility with a similar bunch of players.
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;D Chris Hughton now available...think he is a shoe-in now!!!
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Yes it looks like you CH lovers could well get your wish.Out thought out played last night by my preferred choice
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What you saw was all he'd got. Very little of substance on the bench,to me he's made the best of an average lot,no money,transfer embargo in place = no room to manoeuvre. Their results in Europe were pretty good.For me he is still my second choice behind Poyet,i am not counting Ranieri because i have a feeling we are just being used there to gain a more high profile appointment.
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Raneri for me, i wouldnt be happy with Hughton as ive never been a big fan of him. Sadly i think he will get the job, hopefully if he does he wins me over.
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I would prefer Holloway,people seem to miss that behind his silly accent and all his comedy there is a dam good manager,Hughton is a good manager and a great guy but not for me im afraid,if he comes it wouldnt dissapoint me but wouldnt inspire me much either
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I would prefer Holloway,people seem to miss that behind his silly accent and all his comedy there is a dam good manager,Hughton is a good manager and a great guy but not for me im afraid,if he comes it wouldnt dissapoint me but wouldnt inspire me much either
I agree that Holloway has done a good job at Blackpool but they just can't defend and we don't want to go back to the days of a shambolic defence. Hughton has done a great job at Birmingham and Newcastle in difficult situations and seems to know how to set up a team to be competitive in all matches. Hughton or Poyet for me.
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Holloways got a good thing going at Blackpool. He likes to play the 'small club' card where they have 'no right to win games in the Premier League' etc,. He gets the best out of players by driving home than mentality.
While I admire that I doubt it would work with us being a club who is now 'technically' an established Premier League club with expectations greater than 'punching above Championship level'. A couple of years ago maybe, but not now.
Could he adapt? - possibly and I do like the football his teams play but defensively they are poor and I fear for the good work that Roy has put into team shape etc, over the last 15 months.
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Holloways got a good thing going at Blackpool. He likes to play the 'small club' card where they have 'no right to win games in the Premier League' etc,. He gets the best out of players by driving home than mentality.
While I admire that I doubt it would work with us being a club who is now 'technically' an established Premier League club with expectations greater than 'punching above Championship level'. A couple of years ago maybe, but not now.
Could he adapt? - possibly and I do like the football his teams play but defensively they are poor and I fear for the good work that Roy has put into team shape etc, over the last 15 months.
I agree, Ian Holloway and Blackpool go together well, I doubt he would emulate the same elsewhere.
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Holloway is my choice but not Jeremys i suspect and most of you lot.
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I think the shortlist is coming together. I feel it will be Ranieri, Hughton, Poyet plus one other from Martinez, Mackay, Rodgers or Zola.
I don't think Curbishley, McInnes, Appleton or Holloway will be on the shortlist.
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I have been a Albion fan for over 40 years and have seen plenty of rubbish managers, Smith, Howe, Buckley, Gould, to name a few of them. Now that Roy is going to manage England ( which I am gutted about ) The next appointment for a manager/coach is the most important one for years, this is our third year in the Prem and we need someone who will not only keep us there but may be able to take us forward. I have seen all the names linked to coming here and I think the clear favorite is Chris Hughton and hopefully he will be the next manager, but one note of caution, our chairman must back him and for gods sake sign Ben Foster. :)
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Holloway's teams can't defend. It would be like the Mowbray era all over again.
We proved that when we scored 2 goals against them with 9 men.
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I agree, Ian Holloway and Blackpool go together well, I doubt he would emulate the same elsewhere.
Exactly, Blackpool are a mess - have a look at the murky goings on under the Oystons http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/03/05/blackpool-chairman-oyston-blame-me-for-11m-payment-to-my-dad-050301/
Holloway is the perfect manager for a club run like that. He is probably the very last man that Jeremy Peace would want. Hughton on the other hand seems like a perfect match for JP.
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Holloways got a good thing going at Blackpool. He likes to play the 'small club' card where they have 'no right to win games in the Premier League' etc,. He gets the best out of players by driving home than mentality.
While I admire that I doubt it would work with us being a club who is now 'technically' an established Premier League club with expectations greater than 'punching above Championship level'. A couple of years ago maybe, but not now.
Could he adapt? - possibly and I do like the football his teams play but defensively they are poor and I fear for the good work that Roy has put into team shape etc, over the last 15 months.
Nail on the head,best post on here regarding Holloway.Without wanting to sound cocky imo we are beyond the underdog philosophy.
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Aint it strange the Dingles want him and most of us dont, Holloway that is
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Aint it strange the Dingles want him and most of us dont, Holloway that is
After the season they have had i reckon they would be happy with anybody!,actually Holloway is what they need regarding getting the best out of players at that level.Our aims should and i hope will be higher than Holloway,we need somebody to follow on from Roy not near enough change everything.
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I fail to see why a player would currently choose Villa over us? Currently we are better than them. We are moving forwards. Villa financially are in a bit of a mess. They have an inept manager. I suppose they would be willing to offer irresponsible wages though which is the key.
One great season doesnt make us a bigger club or a more attractive team to play for than villa, just like one swallow doesnt make a summer. Wages, fan base, stadium, history, they have it all on us so thats 4 reasons for a start. Saying that, hopefully the vile keep the same manager for next season and go down, then we will be a more attractive prospect for any player.
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Couldn't see Holloway at Albion for two reasons:
1) Doesn't fit what we 'need' in a manager right now.
2) JP and Holloway? :o
Hughton has done a fantastic job at Blues. When they went down, some were mentioning a successive relegation from the Championship this year. Instead he's had the squad gutted, and on their 62nd game of the season, has played in the play-off's.
Can he make the step up to task for us if picked? We can only wait and see if he were to get the job, but he's put up a pretty damn good showing at Blues.
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I was keen on Holloway a few weeks ago but now am not so sure. He went to a decent sized club Leicester City but he got them relegated. He does play attacking football but his teams are rubbish at defending and it would be a shame if he messed up Roys good work just to score a few more goals. So i rather we go for Hughton because he is a safe option. If Hughton became our manager i am pretty sure he will carry on Roys good work, ok he might not be a big name but players respect him, and he gives youth a chance. For example Carrol at Newcastle and Redmond and Mutch from the blues.
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More than likely going to be Hughton i would imagine not that i am disappointed.
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On the plus side, IF it is Hughton I imagine he would be keen on making the Foster deal permanent rather than someone like Ranieri?
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I think that Hughton would be the most likely to continue Hodgson's great work.
He knows the premier and championship players inside out, compared to Ranieri ,
plus what Peace will like about him , he can work wonders on a budget !!
After his years at Newcastle and Blues he would enjoy working for a club that doesn't have to sell all the time.
Give him a go J.P. ;)
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My choice is Ranieri 100%. Wont have many chances to get a manager of this stature and quality, great opportunity for the club in my opinion
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I was very keen on Hughton last week, but certainly have my reservations about him now.
What 1 game has changed your entire view on him...
Football has become a fickle sport...
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My choice is Ranieri 100%. Wont have many chances to get a manager of this stature and quality, great opportunity for the club in my opinion
I agree totally.
I see someone like Hughton as a Championship manager with potential and nothing more. Roy's boots will be very hard to fill but we need to bring someone in with good experience.
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Does anyone know what Ranieri actually thinks? All I have seen is that he has been approached; nothing about his response. I fear it may not have been positive!
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Does anyone know what Ranieri actually thinks? All I have seen is that he has been approached; nothing about his response. I fear it may not have been positive!
Managerial version of Owen Hargreaves, don't hold your breath.
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Yes it looks like you CH lovers could well get your wish.Out thought out played last night by my preferred choice
2-2................just about held on more like. yet again ably demonstrated that his teams have not got a clue how to defend
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Managerial version of Owen Hargreaves, don't hold your breath.
My thoughts as well.
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Yes it looks like you CH lovers could well get your wish.Out thought out played last night by my preferred choice
If thats how we're playing it. Your preferred choice finished behind Birmingham City & Chris Hughton in the league, and also lost at St Andrews 3-0. Is one game really a reflection reflection? As has been pointed out, it came to the stage where Blackpool were holding on and almost fluffed their 3-0 advantage.
Since the appointment of Roy we have came along way. We've finally got ourselves a strong defensive base and we should build upon that. Eratic managers like Holloway will come along and destroy that meaning we'll probably face the problems we encounted under Tony Mowbray and Roberto Di Matteo. A manager who can follow, or at least be similar to Roy Hodgson's phillopshy would be the right choice in my opinion. An appointment like Holloway would ruin Hodgson's hard work over the last 18 months.
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Managerial version of Owen Hargreaves, don't hold your breath.
Stay till March then, win the Carling Cup and go :-*
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Slaven Bilic you heard it here first ;)
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I've read a few comments on here saying that Ranieri may be using us to advertise his availability for a "better" job....does anyone really think that Ranieri needs to use a club like ours to attract a bigger club...surely he is well known enough to not need to do that?
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I've read a few comments on here saying that Ranieri may be using us to advertise his availability for a "better" job....does anyone really think that Ranieri needs to use a club like ours to attract a bigger club...surely he is well known enough to not need to do that?
Could say the same for Hargreaves.
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Could say the same for Hargreaves.
Not really the same thing 1 was a player who hadn't played for the best part of 3 years and had a lot to prove the other has managed Inter & Juventus in that time. Also I might be wrong but didn't we approach Hargreaves rather than him contacting us? from what I've read Ranieri's agent contacted us so just maybe there is genuine interest?
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In all of this you have to remember who is making the appointment. JP will not want a flamboyant shoot from the hip media whore like Holloway. Solid and dependable media friendly to a point but not rent a quote and above all else willing to work within the structure and financial constraints that exist at the club. This rules out most of the old guard Ranieri being the exception because he has spent most of his career in Italy and Spain where most clubs have a director of football.
I am not sure Hughton is a shoo in unless the situation at Birmingham is set to become even more dire I feel he might stick with them, he certainly did not strike me as a man with one eye on the exit in his media interviews last night.
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Slaven Bilic you heard it here first ;)
are you itk?
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The odds on Poyet in particular :D and Hughton have shortened today whilst Rainieris have drifted.As with Curbishley earlier i would have thought if it were to be the Tinkerman things would have progressed by now as he is available immediately.
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Not to be a party pooper but is it not obvious that nobody will be announced until after the last game.
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The thing with Hughton which i have said from the off, is that he seems a decent loyal bloke, he got crapped on a Newcastle and after getting a chance at Blues he may feel loyalty to them. Also he has a great reputation there and probably has employment for at least 2 years guarenteed as they have had to start again, if he had a bad year with us he would be gone. According to that Peter Pan bloke in his programme notes last night he said things arent great but not as bad as being portrayed and they have investors ready, it may be a spin but if it is true then that may affect Hughtons thinking, its his squad he has built pretty much from scratch.
Another thing, we are better than Blues at the moment but i have said before its not like leaving Blues to go Man City, although we are an attractive propoistion we have also probably reached our limit or very close too it league wise so it will be tough for whoever comes in to exceed Roystons achievements.
From JP's point of view, i imagine it would cost a few quid to buy Hughton too, the Blues will try and milk it for him which i dont blame them, that may affect JP's thinking.
Saying all the above, wouldnt surprise me he takes over!
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Not to be a party pooper but is it not obvious that nobody will be announced until after the last game.
Maybe even longer than that, but I'm sure lots of work has already been done to nail the right man ?
Interesting that Poyet has shot up the odds league ? 7/2 with skybet.
And Webby , what gives you the thought about Bilic ? Just a notion or something you've heard ?
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The odds on Poyet in particular :D
Evening.
Gus has stated that he will not apply for jobs but if a club approached him then he would consider their offers.
There is nothing to suggest that any of the clubs named would approach him as he doesn't have enough experience yet imo. He's only had one season in the Championship so far. He has another 3 years on his contract so it would mean a fair bit of compensation ( £2 million ) to get him. I think it was 2M when Wolves enquired which put them off immediately.
There are unemployed Prem experienced managers out of work at present who could do a job. It's a slow news day for sport. When he goes eventually I would trust Tony Bloom to get a good manager in to replace him.
This what we think about today's news involving Wolves, Villa and yourselves.
http://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?242565-Poyet-quot-on-the-verge-of-quitting-Brighton-quot (http://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?242565-Poyet-quot-on-the-verge-of-quitting-Brighton-quot)
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/2232352162/EXCLUSIVE-Poyet-does-things-his-way (http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/2232352162/EXCLUSIVE-Poyet-does-things-his-way)
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are you itk?
i think he probably just read the Bilic story where he has said this Euro champs will be the 'end of his Croatia story'. Maybe putting 2+2 together
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Gus Poyet would be a good appointment and does have experiance in the Prem, ok only as a assistant at Spurs but so did Chris Hughton. Personally i would be ok with him but only if he could bring in a good number 2 like Ray Wilkins. I think he will be on the shortlist.
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to be fair seagull, saying you won't take an offer and doing are very different. Look at Mcliesh. new three year deal, jumped ship 3 months later. Mobray too.
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Poyet's odds have came in because his name was mentioned in the morning papers. Local media does not seem to think that Poyet is even a starter.
I think Hughton is still the most likely. Martinez would be a nice surprise but I doubt we could get both him and Whelan to agree to it and Raneri, having already had talks, may be in with a chance.
Apart from him, I expect to see the likes of Chris Powell, Derek McCinnis and maybe a shock name from the SPL like Stuart McCall or Peter Houston mentioned, as well as a few foreign coaches, which I would see as a positive.
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Evening.
Gus has stated that he will not apply for jobs but if a club approached him then he would consider their offers.
There is nothing to suggest that any of the clubs named would approach him as he doesn't have enough experience yet imo. He's only had one season in the Championship so far. He has another 3 years on his contract so it would mean a fair bit of compensation ( £2 million ) to get him. I think it was 2M when Wolves enquired which put them off immediately.
There are unemployed Prem experienced managers out of work at present who could do a job. It's a slow news day for sport. When he goes eventually I would trust Tony Bloom to get a good manager in to replace him.
This what we think about today's news involving Wolves, Villa and yourselves.
http://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?242565-Poyet-quot-on-the-verge-of-quitting-Brighton-quot (http://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?242565-Poyet-quot-on-the-verge-of-quitting-Brighton-quot)
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/2232352162/EXCLUSIVE-Poyet-does-things-his-way (http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/2232352162/EXCLUSIVE-Poyet-does-things-his-way)
A lot of your fans saying we'd be a sideways step, now I've got a lot of respect for Brighton and they have a great deal of potential but to say that we're a sideways step is ridiculous.
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Evening.
Gus has stated that he will not apply for jobs but if a club approached him then he would consider their offers.
There is nothing to suggest that any of the clubs named would approach him as he doesn't have enough experience yet imo. He's only had one season in the Championship so far. He has another 3 years on his contract so it would mean a fair bit of compensation ( £2 million ) to get him. I think it was 2M when Wolves enquired which put them off immediately.
There are unemployed Prem experienced managers out of work at present who could do a job. It's a slow news day for sport. When he goes eventually I would trust Tony Bloom to get a good manager in to replace him.
This what we think about today's news involving Wolves, Villa and yourselves.
http://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?242565-Poyet-quot-on-the-verge-of-quitting-Brighton-quot (http://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?242565-Poyet-quot-on-the-verge-of-quitting-Brighton-quot)
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/2232352162/EXCLUSIVE-Poyet-does-things-his-way (http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/2232352162/EXCLUSIVE-Poyet-does-things-his-way)
I dont think your in any danger from ourselves or Villa but dont be surprised if wolves take him off your hands. Wolves will pay the money to get their manager after the disaster of a few months ago and the hit to Moxeys and Morgans reputations. You also need to be realistic that Poyet, when faced with the choice of Brighton who are always going to be fighting an up hill battle to get to the premier league and Wolves who have more financial might than most in the league, he will probably pick Wolves. They might not go for him though, with any luck.
I cant see us looking at any unemployed Premier league managers either. Why would we want to recycle somebody like Steve Bruce? Curbishley has a good track record but he is an old fashioned English boss who does not like the director of football model so that rules him out and then who else is left? As a club, we are more forward thinking that simply looking at the small pool of "premier league experience managers" who are all out of jobs because they got the sack from their clubs.
Good luck for next season anyway.
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A lot of your fans saying we'd be a sideways step, now I've got a lot of respect for Brighton and they have a great deal of potential but to say that we're a sideways step is ridiculous.
All fans live in their own delusional bubble. WBA a sideways step from Brighton? :o ??? Of course it is nonsense. One is a club that has spent a large part of the last 20 years in League 1 and 2, while the other is a club who have spent most of it in the top 2 divisions. One is a mid table championship club, aiming for the play offs, the other is a mid table premier league club, currently the "best of the rest" of the clubs in England if you will (not counting Fulham who still spend like they are one of the big boys).
Our fans are just as guilty of it. Just look at when Mowbray went to Celtic. Fans were saying that was a sideways or backwards step, despite it having the potential to elevate him to one of the most sought after English managers if things had gone right (something he would never have achieved at WBA).
Fans, when it comes to their owns clubs importance, usually look at things through a very skewed lens.
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Slaven Bilic you heard it here first ;)
A top manager who would bring with him a vast amount of knowledge of good Croatian player of all ages but would he have enough time after the Euros to get the squad ready for the start of the season he's a unlikely signing But you never know.
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I wonder if Roy might have given his thoughts to the powers who to appoint has his replacement
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Wouldnt look into the bookies odds too much, we have had 3 of 4 different favourites since we've been looking.
One thing ive learnt from JP is that he makes his signings under the radar and not many things are made too public, i.e Di Matteo and Hodgson.
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Andre Villas Boas has come in out of thin air today, odds shortened to small as 20's.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager
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Now i know we won't get AVB but i'd love that! Wherever he goes next that club will do excellent
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Andre Villas Boas has come in out of thin air today, odds shortened to small as 20's.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager
AVB will not be managing a team in this country for a good while if at all. He's obviously a talented manager but he just doesn't seem suited to English football. Maybe when he has more experience that will change, but for me , he would be a big overpriced no no.
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Andre Villas Boas has come in out of thin air today, odds shortened to small as 20's.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager
Same price as Mick
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AVB will not be managing a team in this country for a good while if at all. He's obviously a talented manager but he just doesn't seem suited to English football. Maybe when he has more experience that will change, but for me , he would be a big overpriced no no.
As Ive said on here before I'd never imagine him getting the job due to the budgetary constraints at the club, but from a building a successful team over time and coaching point of view, as a mold, he is the type of 'head coach' we should be looking for.
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As Ive said on here before I'd never imagine him getting the job due to the budgetary constraints at the club, but from a building a successful team over time and coaching point of view, as a mold, he is the type of 'head coach' we should be looking for.
I cant see it but i wouldnt say no, point to prove and all that, also no high and mighty players to deal with
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From left field, Walter Smith, discuss!
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From left field, Walter Smith, discuss!
Walter Smith, now theres a new name to ponder on
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From left field, Walter Smith, discuss!
Definitely left field and probably should be left there.
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another from the left field - luis enrique
leaving roma end of this season..
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How about Neil Barnes of the band Leftfield...... seeing as they're being mentioned alot?
Nope!!? Well the Tinkerman gets my vote still.
As long as it's sorted in the next two/three weeks i'll be happy.
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the club has said they hope to be done by the end of the month. so yeah, couple of weeks. then again that was in the rag tabs
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From left field, Walter Smith, discuss!
Some folks on this board has become fed up of Roy's negative boring football so appointing Walter Smith would be even worse, in my opinion. His last stint at Rangers, although it produced four league titles, was perceived as rather negative and when they came up against Celtic, they often struggled.
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i think he probably just read the Bilic story where he has said this Euro champs will be the 'end of his Croatia story'. Maybe putting 2+2 together
This. Sorry if I got anyones hopes up all my news from Albion comes from here! :D
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Funny that Roy is slightly older than Walter Smith. Walter Smith seems so old.
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I really want Michael Laudrup, really hoping the odds get shortened and the headlines start coming!
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I reckon once roys gone at the start of next week we will see alot of things happening. Its going to be an intresting last couple of weeks in may!
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If you take a look at Sven Goren Ericsson's career resume it really is quite outstanding even eclipsing Roys. Would he be an excellent replacement for Roy and an ideal sort of coach to continue Roys good work? A good friend of Roys he would almost certainly get a strong recommendation. 40-1 looks a generous price so Ive stuck a fiver on. Any takers?
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If you take a look at Sven Goren Ericsson's career resume it really is quite outstanding even eclipsing Roys. Would he be an excellent replacement for Roy and an ideal sort of coach to continue Roys good work? A good friend of Roys he would almost certainly get a strong recommendation. 40-1 looks a generous price so Ive stuck a fiver on. Any takers?
I thought this the other day when I heard him on talksport, you forget how much he achieved before England. He even did pretty well with England in comparison to others and was unlucky at Man City.
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Sven? seriously? where's the rofl copter when you need it?!
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Sven-Goran Eriksson used to be a very good manager. Unfortunately nowadays I think there is more wine in his belly than fire.
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Sven??? That guys managerial morals ended in Nottinghamshire.
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reminds me very much of Hodgson. Overated and shrowded in myth. Achiewved a lot less than you would imagine given the accompanyig hoo ha.
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Dont want the gutless wonder Sven anywhere near our club. I swear you can, to this day, still hear the echo in my local from me screaming at the big screen when he sat on his backside with a gormless look on his face when England wilted against Brazil in the 2002 WC.
His years of being England manager wasted some of the best talent this country has seen since '66.
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Dont want the gutless wonder Sven anywhere near our club. I swear you can, to this day, still hear the echo in my local from me screaming at the big screen when he sat on his backside with a gormless look on his face when England wilted against Brazil in the 2002 WC.
His years of being England manager wasted some of the best talent this country has seen since '66.
Off topic but I can't think of anyone who would have been able to successfully utilise the golden bunch.
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reminds me very much of Hodgson. Overated and shrowded in myth. Achiewved a lot less than you would imagine given the accompanyig hoo ha.
Erikson had a small fortune at Leicester and couldn't get them out of Championship mid table. Hodgson had next to nothing with us and turned us into a mid table Premiership Team. Hodgson delivered mate - Erikson didn't and can't.
I do agree though that Erikson shouldn't be touched with a barge pole. Know a fair bit about his Leicester time. He was brilliant with sponsors and the like and the PR folks loved him but he was completely impotent on the footballing front. Not a track suit man like Hodgson - I wouldn't let him anywhere near a Conference team never mind a Premier Team.
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Erikson had a small fortune at Leicester and couldn't get them out of Championship mid table. Hodgson had next to nothing with us and turned us into a mid table Premiership Team. Hodgson delivered mate - Erikson didn't and can't.
I do agree though that Erikson shouldn't be touched with a barge pole. Know a fair bit about his Leicester time. He was brilliant with sponsors and the like and the PR folks loved him but he was completely impotent on the footballing front. Not a track suit man like Hodgson - I wouldn't let him anywhere near a Conference team never mind a Premier Team.
Let's ask Ulrika or Nancy ;) ;D
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Off topic but I can't think of anyone who would have been able to successfully utilise the golden bunch.
Had Venables stayed for a while longer we'd have had a better chance of doing better in WC '98 and Euro 2000 IMO.
When Sven was appointed, on paper, it was a great appointment but I thought the same about Capello and look what happened there.
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According to the Daily Mail, we've ¨Plunged Into Chaos¨. :o ;D
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Bilic would be an excellent manager for us...
Im pinning my hopes on Michael Laudrup too but the idea of Ole Gunnar Solksjaer interests me too
I have too say that personally I dont think AVB is out of our range...he would be the coup d'etat of managerial appointments for me
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According to the Daily Mail, we've ¨Plunged Into Chaos¨. :o ;D
Must be confusing us with some other clubs in the West Midlands ;D Easy mistake for a Mail journalist to make they get very disoriented if they are ever sent North of Watford
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How many times do I have to say this?:
There is someone at the mail with a true axe to grind against the Albion. The next story will be that everyone we have spoken to has laughed at the transfer budget on offer and walked. Every year it is the same! Anyone remember the story about Roy being unhappy last July just before we got Foster on loan and Shane Long who must have been No. 1 transfer choices?
Disregard anything that rag, the daily (hate)mail, says about West Brom!
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It is a fair bet that JP has spoken to Roy about his possible successor. As Roy has given such a major endorsement to the Dingles' capture of Solbakken in the Express and Star (see below) it wouldn't surprise me if we appointed a surprise European candidate to take over, based on Roy's recommendation.
Stale Solbakken’s shock appointment as new Wolves boss was today given an enthusiastic seal of approval by England manager Roy Hodgson.
The two were manager and captain 12 years ago when they led FC Copenhagen to the club’s first championship for eight years in Denmark.
They have remained firm friends ever since and outgoing Albion boss Hodgson admitted he was delighted and impressed by Wolves’ decision to give the 44-year-old Solbakken his chance in English football.
“I’m delighted because he is a good friend but also because I think it is an excellent appointment,” said Hodgson. “And I think it is a good, exciting move by Wolves. It’s not an appointment many would have expected from a part of Europe from which English clubs do not usually recruit.
“But I can tell Wolves fans they have hired a superb coach – Stale is a bright, young and impressive coach with good ideas and I am confident he will do well.”
It was Albion’s destruction of Wolves at Molineux which triggered the events which brought the club to yesterday’s announcement.
The sacking of Mick McCarthy followed the Baggies’ 5-1 derby defeat but the appointment of Terry Connor as interim manager has failed to yield a single victory in 12 games and brought relegation.
Hodgson was planning to speak to Solbakken during his final weekend as Albion head coach, the pair having become close when the Baggies boss took charge at Copenhagen in 2000.
That campaign finished with the club becoming champions for the first time since 1993 but Solbakken’s playing career was ended by a heart defect discovered when he collapsed in training.
“When something like that happens, it naturally brings you closer together and since then Stale and I have been good friends,” he said.
“But he was terrific captain for me, a fine footballer, and my assistant in that season at Copenhagen.
“I left after that and Stale took over and went on to have the most amazing success. Five championships in six years – that was a wonderful effort.
“He is a fine coach in my view with good ideas. I congratulate Wolves on an impressive appointment.”
Read more: http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2012/05/12/roy-hodgson-backs-stale-solbakken-as-wolves-boss/#ixzz1ue7ixxGb
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I have too say that personally I dont think AVB is out of our range...he would be the coup d'etat of managerial appointments for me
I heard he was off to Valencia or Roma. Both of which are probably more attractive than us after the Chelsea debacle.
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Didn't Megson sign Kanu?
kanu was about 40 when we signed him in fairness. i know officially he was 28, but you know nigerian passports...
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Sorry to be picky but can this thread be renamed 'next Head Coach' we aren't recruiting a Manager.
When you are a HR biff like me job titles are everything ;)
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roys gone who now? ???
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roys gone who now? ???
Hughton.
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Hughton.
I'd agree, I really hope we get him in.
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right, glad that the owl has gone, had enough of his negative football, let england have him.
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Hughton.
Hope not, his football is a bland as Roy's.
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right, glad that the owl has gone, had enough of his negative football, let england have him.
The "owl"? Uncool, dude.
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right, glad that the owl has gone, had enough of his negative football, let england have him.
I'm amazed you have said that, we have played some very good football this season.
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You've gone from how can we replace Hodgson to hating him. If you're going to WUM at least be consistent.
Sad to see Roy sitting there. Sad to see our best manager ever going into a the most thankless job in the world.
Good Luck anyway Roy.
Legendofastle two weeks ago.
Clever enough to choose an Albion related name, not clever enough to keep the same story going.
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I am apologetic to anyone not agreeing with me, i have just been waiting for this moment since roy arrived. i am glad he's gone. Onward and upward! COME ON YOU BAGGIES!!!!
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I am apologetic to anyone not agreeing with me, i have just been waiting for this moment since roy arrived. i am glad his gone. Onward and upward! COME ON YOU BAGGIES!!!!
You are showing yourself up here mate, stop being a tosser.
You may not like the bloke or his style, I have no problems with that, plenty of people have had issues with his style of play but haven't resorted to personal abuse and hatred and I am sure even his most ardent critics can respect the job he has done with us.
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You've gone from how can we replace Hodgson to hating him. If you're going to WUM at least be consistent.
Legendofastle two weeks ago.
Clever enough to choose an Albion related name, not clever enough to keep the same story going.
Well there you go again, reading into things that are not there. Is roy our best manager ever? probably yes. Is he the man to take us on with his negative football and his profile? NO. certainly not. That is why i am glad he is gone, he is a stepping stone for something bigger.
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right, glad that the owl has gone, had enough of his negative football, let england have him.
Bye Bye Dingle.
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I am apologetic to anyone not agreeing with me, i have just been waiting for this moment since roy arrived. i am glad he's gone. Onward and upward! COME ON YOU BAGGIES!!!!
You do/don't rate him, no idea to be honest as you have contradicted yourself but cut the petty comments as we don't want it on here. One thing this site does not allow is personal abuse towards players or staff, nothing to do with keeping the club sweet, its because we have that little bit of class and rise above things like that so please follow our ways or go elsewhere.
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You are showing yourself up here mate, stop being a tosser.
You may not like the bloke or his style, I have no problems with that, plenty of people have had issues with his style of play but haven't resorted to personal abuse and hatred and I am sure even his most ardent critics can respect the job he has done with us.
You are right, i hate the man, and i hate his style. That's not to say i appreciate his work for us, which i do. But now he is gone i can say my opinion thanks, Whether or not you like it i will.
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You are right, i hate the man, and i hate his style. That's not to say i appreciate his work for us, which i do. But now he is gone i can say my opinion thanks, Whether or not you like it i will.
Not anymore on here you won't. :-*
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You are right, i hate the man, and i hate his style. That's not to say i appreciate his work for us, which i do. But now he is gone i can say my opinion thanks, Whether or not you like it i will.
There's stating your opinion then what you have been doing.
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Hes gone so wont be replying to posts anymore.
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What a shame...
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From Twitter:
Football Mole ? @Football_Mole
The whisper I'm hearing tonight is that Paul Lambert will be given permission to speak to #wba about the vacant manager position
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Twitter rumours gathering pace about us approaching Paul Lambert. Can't see it myself, as I say, just rumours.
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More likely to go to the Villa I would have thought.
Would be a superb appointement though if we could get him.
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Anyway back on track i do think that the next manager has to take us to the next level which for me is being consistently in the top ten and with an outside chance of europe that for me would be progress we have finished mid table now twice running so i do not think i am expecting to much
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That football mole has hardly any followers so I wouldnt believe him personally.
The rumours are growing because Lambert, when asked if he would still be at Norwich next season, answered that "it is hard to say". Cue, people look around to see which club in the league needs a new manager and they see WBA and put 2 and 2 together.
The question you have to ask if why would Lambert leave Norwich to go to a club like ourselves? It is a sideways step. We wont spend anymore money and we have both finished mid table this year.
I think the more likely outcome may be that a club like Villa have spoken to him in the last few weeks and promised him some money to spend.
Id love him to come, but dont get your hopes up.
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I have to agree with Baggies that it would be a sideways move for Lambert to come here. But we are just about a more attractive club for him, and he's certainly got that knack of turning sow's ears into silk purses. I wouldn't mind him at all.
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apparently Tom Ross' show the goalzone reported it as well
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He has certainly got the best out of mediocre players there are no star names in their team he even got barnett to perform better thanhere however can he take us on another level and more important will he stay and build a dynasty
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He has certainly got the best out of mediocre players there are no star names in their team he even got barnett to perform better thanhere however can he take us on another level and more important will he stay and build a dynasty
Not hard really, he's a defender so let him defend and he'll put his head on anything and everything.
I think the next couple of weeks are massive for the club in getting the right man in. Lambert has done well this season and in his career so far. Also has a good record in derby games according to wiki. Signed a new deal last Summer at Norwich.
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If any managers were watching us today they would have to be impressed with the set up,the crowd and the players we have here.
We are a club with no debts,and although i am a big critic of Mr Peace i will give credit where it is due.
Now Mr Peace has to get it right,we are in a fantastic position,Roy has left us a very desirable prospect for any manager who wants a job.
It would be such a shame if all Roys good work went out of the window with a bad appointment.
I will back any manager who takes us on,but i do hope we go for one with premier league experience to carry on what has been started.
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Slaven Bilic has taken the job at Locomotiv Moscow - for those who wanted him to come.
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Can someone post some more links to the lambert rumour please
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Slaven Bilic has taken the job at Locomotiv Moscow - for those who wanted him to come.
He'd have been amazing to have.
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An early appointment is now crucial if we are to try and tie down Foster and Olsson before the vultures swoop.
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Any likely candidate watching from the stands today ?????
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Any likely candidate watching from the stands today ?????
I've been there all season mate! ;D
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Should we attempt something jaw droppingly spectacular and offer David Moyes 3 million a year for 5 years because he would keep this squad up as is without any new additions.
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Should we attempt something jaw droppingly spectacular and offer David Moyes 3 million a year for 5 years because he would keep this squad up as is without any new additions.
Everton to us is not a sidewards step, its a backwards step! ???
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Everton to us is not a sidewards step, its a backwards step! ???
Not at 15million over 5 years its not................thats my point
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surely he is already on about 3million a year, no chance of getting Moyes, he will hold out for a bigger job. would be nice though
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surely he is already on about 3million a year, no chance of getting Moyes, he will hold out for a bigger job. would be nice though
Wouldnt have thought he was on anywhere near that boing at Everton! but in any event I was just contemplating what it might take financially to lever him out of there. sure you may well be right but im asking the board have you contemplated a think big strategy. would there be an albion fan not gobsmackingly happy with Moyesy
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Can someone post some more links to the lambert rumour please
I can guarantee 100% that nobody has been offered the job.
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if we are talking big then for me it's AVB
if we are talking about how I want the Ranieri/Lambert/Rodgers
if we are talking about who I think it will be then it's Hughton
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if we are talking big then for me it's AVB
if we are talking about how I want the Ranieri/Lambert/Rodgers
if we are talking about who I think it will be then it's Hughton
AVB......his approach personality and body language worry me....seems to over complicate
the other 4......................be ok with any of them but ranieris cv must stand out
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Moyes is the strongly favoured successor to Fergie in the Old Trafford boardroom. Is just biding his time at Everton till then. It does explain why he hasn't already left Goodison Park.
He and Fergie are big buddies and it would enable Fergie to move upstairs and oversee him without any concerns of Moyes.
People may well ask why someone like Lambert might leave to come here. An extra £1m a year would be a decent reason. Paying top whack for a manager doesn't have the same knockon effect as breaking a player wage structure, and we are in a financial position to pay
around £2.5m for one of the best around. I always think the manager should be on no less than the top earning player, but with a rolling 6 month notice clause rather than a fixed term contract.
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There is no point at all even thinking about Moyes, Lambert, Rodgers etc. Simple side/backwards moves to The Albion.
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Moyes is the strongly favoured successor to Fergie in the Old Trafford boardroom. Is just biding his time at Everton till then. It does explain why he hasn't already left Goodison Park.
He and Fergie are big buddies and it would enable Fergie to move upstairs and oversee him without any concerns of Moyes.
People may well ask why someone like Lambert might leave to come here. An extra £1m a year would be a decent reason. Paying top whack for a manager doesn't have the same knockon effect as breaking a player wage structure, and we are in a financial position to pay
around £2.5m for one of the best around. I always think the manager should be on no less than the top earning player, but with a rolling 6 month notice clause rather than a fixed term contract.
It must be the only trade where the staff on more than their boss.
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There is no point at all even thinking about Moyes, Lambert, Rodgers etc. Simple side/backwards moves to The Albion.
I don't think Lambert or Rodgers if they came here would be taking a side/backwards step at all to be honest. We are a more established club in this division (yes only in our 3rd now straight season but before that we have had a few years up and down), we have a better quality of player (Foster on loan yes but hopefully permanent, Odemwingie, Brunt, Morrison, Dorrans (await the moans about that one), Olsson, Mulumbu etc) whereas no disrespect to either sets of players at either club they have massively over-achieved this season and both managers have worked wonders with the squads they have, the squads do contain some excellent players who would add something to our squad but overall i'd rather have ours. Are we in a better position to attract quality players in terms of wages/ fees/ stadium/ facilities ? i'd say yes on all counts.
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I don't think Lambert or Rodgers if they came here would be taking a side/backwards step at all to be honest. We are a more established club in this division (yes only in our 3rd now straight season but before that we have had a few years up and down), we have a better quality of player (Foster on loan yes but hopefully permanent, Odemwingie, Brunt, Morrison, Dorrans (await the moans about that one), Olsson, Mulumbu etc) whereas no disrespect to either sets of players at either club they have massively over-achieved this season and both managers have worked wonders with the squads they have, the squads do contain some excellent players who would add something to our squad but overall i'd rather have ours. Are we in a better position to attract quality players in terms of wages/ fees/ stadium/ facilities ? i'd say yes on all counts.
I absolutely agree 100% oldbury and ive got a funny feeling JP is not about to undersell us. Our stock has never been higher and we are growing a s a club again. i would not be surprised to see a big name appear in the frame for the vacancy. We have a very strong squad. Today on the counter attack we shredded arsenal at times. Outside of the three things we asked fulop to do today which unfortunately he got wrong on all counts what else did he have to do. We looked comfortable in AFCs company. A couple of seasons ago they came here beat us 3 nil and it was no more than a training game for them.
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The Lambert rumour is picking up pace but I just can't see him taking that step. Both teams finished on the same points this season and he wouldn't come in and get loads of money to spend.
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It confuses me that you are all talking about next level.. What is the next level? Qualifing for Europe? We've been mid table now for 2 years, I think we just need try to stay on our current level? I would like some answers about what you are thinking :)
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The post that has excited me the most is the one saying the Croatian manger Slaven Blic is stepping down after the Euros but who ever comes i hope he's a WO signing not a WHO.
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Its going to tougher in the Premier next season, so many teams including the ones coming up with probably better spending power than us. We could do with quick steady appointment. Lambert off to the Villa i hear.I could not see him or Rodgers leaving their clubs for us to be fair.We need somone in place by the end of this month
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We need somebody in place by the end of this week,so much to do.Ollson and Fosters situation to be sorted,team strenghtening to be discussed,scouting at euros to be done etc :o
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We need somebody in place by the end of this week,so much to do.Ollson and Fosters situation to be sorted,team strenghtening to be discussed,scouting at euros to be done etc :o
That's what Ashworth is there for, sir!
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It confuses me that you are all talking about next level.. What is the next level? Qualifing for Europe? We've been mid table now for 2 years, I think we just need try to stay on our current level? I would like some answers about what you are thinking :)
Mid-table is our next level. We need to get it out of our heads that we've ditched the yo-yo tag and are now a premiership team. Two great seasons so far but we have to build on it. Wolves had 3 seasons in the prem before going down, Bolton had 9 and they had a few years of top half finishes. Blackburn have been around for quite a while too.
If the worst was to happen and we sign an uninspiring manager, lose Olsson and Foster then next season could be a struggle. We have to look at ensuring we're consistently around the middle of the table all season and be looking to get to 40 pts earlier and earlier.
Stand still and you go backwards in this league.
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I keep reading things saying that we're in no rush to appoint anyone and it could be next month before we make a move. I hope that's not the case, as there are things to be sorted out (Olsson, Foster, assistant coaches etc) and plans/signings for next season to be discussed/implemented with the new incumbent. There will also be other clubs who may well be after some of our managerial targets. Targets who are currently employed at other clubs will be looking to have a holiday before very long too.
All things considered, therefore, I think we need to get on with it. The season's finished and we can have a free rein to approach anyone we choose, so there's no reason to hesitate.
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ok over to you jp. the seasons over lets get this sorted. lots of names mentioned, for me approach norwich about lambert. if not then theres hughton to fall back on. what surprises me is how many people would be happy with hughton but not holloway. both only have limited premier experience but i think holloways achievements in comparison to hughtons this season are easily on a par.
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I keep reading things saying that we're in no rush to appoint anyone and it could be next month before we make a move. I hope that's not the case, as there are things to be sorted out (Olsson, Foster, assistant coaches etc) and plans/signings for next season to be discussed/implemented with the new incumbent. There will also be other clubs who may well be after some of our managerial targets. Targets who are currently employed at other clubs will be looking to have a holiday before very long too.
All things considered, therefore, I think we need to get on with it. The season's finished and we can have a free rein to approach anyone we choose, so there's no reason to hesitate.
I think you'll find that this is the time of year that football clubs take annual leave so some of the parties involved in transfers and new contract negotiations are difficult to get sitting round a table together.
I wouldn't be surprised if its the beginning of July before its sorted.
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You'll probably find the Olsson and Foster situations are already being dealt with regardless of whos in charge.
Both are highly rated by the club. Would be an asset to any manager who takes the role.
I can see Olsson being tied up to a deal and the Foster deal being 90% done before a new boss comes in and 'authorises' the deal.
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im hearing vile are getting rid of ginger minge hope hes not comeing to the albion
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That's what Ashworth is there for, sir!
With our limited budget the new head honcho will surely have some input if if it is just priortising his needs.,and who the new man is may well determine whether or not Ollson or others want to stay that is why imo sooner rather than later.
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im hearing vile are getting rid of ginger minge hope hes not comeing to the albion
Are you trying to wind us up :D
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I think you'll find that this is the time of year that football clubs take annual leave so some of the parties involved in transfers and new contract negotiations are difficult to get sitting round a table together.
I wouldn't be surprised if its the beginning of July before its sorted.
I severely doubt we'd leave it till the start of pre-season to get a manager in, I imagine we'll probably be looking to get one in by the start of June.
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Big Eck back to Bloues and Hughton to us?
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Does anyone in their right mind think McLeish will come to The Hawthorns? JP would not do that to us! WOULD HE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'd rather have McLeish than Appleton who odds have shortened. To be fair, has McLeish done such a bad job at Villa with the funds he's had and massive injury problems. They're squad is as bad as I can ever remember, and he did well at blues. Winning the League Cup was the killer for them as well as their main defensive partnership being broken up through injury. He certainly wouldn't be my first choice but think McLeish is a much better manager than the prejudiced Vile fans would have people believe.
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I would rather have Rab c Nesbitt than Alex Mcleish
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I'd rather have McLeish than Appleton who odds have shortened. To be fair, has McLeish done such a bad job at Villa with the funds he's had and massive injury problems. They're squad is as bad as I can ever remember, and he did well at blues. Winning the League Cup was the killer for them as well as their main defensive partnership being broken up through injury. He certainly wouldn't be my first choice but think McLeish is a much better manager than the prejudiced Vile fans would have people believe.
If we get McLeish I will demand my season ticket money back! he's not even an option imo.
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not a snowflake in hells chance :o
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Surely Jeremy Peace would have to be committed under the Mental Health Act if he appointed that soon to be ex-seal clown as our next manager?!!
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I'd rather have McLeish than Appleton who odds have shortened. To be fair, has McLeish done such a bad job at Villa with the funds he's had and massive injury problems. They're squad is as bad as I can ever remember, and he did well at blues. Winning the League Cup was the killer for them as well as their main defensive partnership being broken up through injury. He certainly wouldn't be my first choice but think McLeish is a much better manager than the prejudiced Vile fans would have people believe.
In 4 seasons in the premier league he's only got 40 points plus once. Considering we have a smaller (vastly smaller) budget than either Blues or Villa did, that doesn't exactly bode well if we did get him.
Appleton at least might be a decent manager - no one knows, but we do know Mcleish is far from a decent one. One lucky cup win doesn't change that. Avram Grant got Portsmouth to an FA cup final and Chelsea to a champions league final but we sure as hell wouldn't want him.
Still can't see past Hughton though. There's not much out there looking at the odds list. Not too many particularly promising managers in the lower divisions either. Chris Powell might be an interesting one given he transformed Charlton from mid-table league one to winning the division with 101 points in one season, but he's got precious little experience and would be quiet a gamble.
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I honestly think that this is the biggest decision that Jeremy has had to make since he took over at the albion. Mcrelegator leaving the vile today worrys me, not least because wherever he goes theres a strong likelyhood he would want to take peter grant (who i actually think is ilthe real problem!!!) with him.
Just to throw in a name to the hat folks, what about Lee Clark?
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Mcleish has gone. oh dear. puts us maybe behind villa in the pecking order and means that he is available.
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Why are people talking about McLeish. Not a cat in hells.Stop winding me up >:(
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Why are people talking about McLeish. Not a cat in hells.Stop winding me up >:(
well i am because villa have just sacked him. I dont think he'd even be considered but i do think it will affect who we can get
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mcleish has gone. oh dear. puts up maybe behind villa in the pecking order and means that useless ginger tw*t is available
Villa will have different candidates to us. We don't really offer the likes of Lambert and Martinez anything different. They may even be able to tempt AVB.
Yes we are looking healthy and have finished above them this season but like it or not Villa are the biggest club in the Midlands and always will be unless they get relegated and we get taken over by a sugar daddy.
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mcleish has gone. oh dear. puts up maybe behind villa in the pecking order and means that useless ginger tw*t is available
hey less of the useless please :)
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hey less of the useless please :)
haha well, he's had his uses the last two seasons i suppose!
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Villa will have different candidates to us. We don't really offer the likes of Lambert and Martinez anything different. They may even be able to tempt AVB.
Yes we are looking healthy and have finished above them this season but like it or not Villa are the biggest club in the Midlands and always will be unless they get relegated and we get taken over by a sugar daddy.
Could not agree more, we are a million miles off the Vile and always will be.
Untill we get a very wealthy person to supply some wonga we will never be has attractive than the Vile.
The best chance of sending them down and making them suffer you could say we blew it when we played them a few weeks back
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I think we need to get a manager in before the end of the month, we have a lot of issues that need sorting out. Dont think we should worry about Villa they will go for Lambert who i think is still unproven in this league, same goes for Rodgers. Hopefully we will hear a bit more news. If i was JP i would get Hughton appointed by next week so he can start planning early. 8)
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Why people worry about McLeish I don't know. The bloke has relegated Birmingham twice, and came very close to relegating Aston Villa. They in the end survived by a point. I'm sure Peace isn't going to risk the future of the club by appointing McLeish.
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Jeremy Peace and Dan Ashworth have made some very good managerial appointments recently.
Why do you think they would appoint a manager who has not only got a very bad premier league record, but was just sacked by one of our fiercest rivals?
The thing that worries me.. is that candidates for our position may reassess their future now that the Villa job is open.
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This may mean nothing as it seems to of shifted daily but a mate of mine who compiles football odds for numerous bookies has texted to say their has been a big surge for Appleton today, he has gone upto 2nd favourite at a lot of places apparently.
He hasnt text about any other manager so not sure if it means anything and certainly not claiming to be ITK just passing on some info, but Appletons name hasnt really been mentioned until today has it?
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Our shortlist was drawn up long before McLeish became available, calm down.
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McLeish going muddies the waters a bit however as other posters have pointed out Villa are a very different proposition to ourselves.
In short big club fallen on hard times is the easier sell to the next coach than smaller club overachieving. Pretty much any manager at the Villa would get a free pass from even the fickle seals for just not being McLeish and moving the club in the right direction. Whereas whoever replaces Roy faces a tough task to improve on what has gone before and will have to battle against a heightened level of expectancy based on our relative success.
Finally there is less than zero chance of McLeish turning up at the Hawthorns.
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Appleton is not ready for this job. If he gets the job I would fear for our survival hopes.
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I do like Appleton and I feel for the job he's had at Portsmouth, however, there's no room for sentiment in football and as much as I'd like to see him at the Albion in the future, I'd worry if he was appointed at the moment. All I could hope for if he was appointed is that in his spell with working with Roy he learnt everything in the textbook of football management.
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I think we need to get a manager in before the end of the month, we have a lot of issues that need sorting out. Dont think we should worry about Villa they will go for Lambert who i think is still unproven in this league, same goes for Rodgers. Hopefully we will hear a bit more news. If i was JP i would get Hughton appointed by next week so he can start planning early. 8)
If you think Lambert and Rodgers are unproven then what is Hughton? Lambert would be a very good appointment for us IMO.
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Appleton is not ready for this job. If he gets the job I would fear for our survival hopes.
I feel this is the same of McInness too. After having such an experienced manager, could we put our trust in an inexperienced candidate like McInness and Appleton? Who, whilst doing okay at their current clubs, haven't excelled themselves, despite the difficult circumstances at Pompey.
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Appleton does worry me as an appointment very inexperienced as a Head Coach. I think there might have been a view within the club that Appleton could have stepped up if Roy quit in a couple of season's time but I think now is too soon and if I had to guess they will go with someone who has a little bit more experience.
Whoever is appointed I hope the fans do not damn him before a ball is kicked we all saw what happened with McLeish at Villa, it cast a cloud over the season and the negativity impacted the players. We all have personal likes and dislikes for the Head Coach role but please no more comments like if we appoint x I will cancel my season ticket.
Whoever is Head Coach we are still Albion and I am still going to be getting behind the team and leave Seals to the bed sheet protests.
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McLeish going muddies the waters a bit however as other posters have pointed out Villa are a very different proposition to ourselves.
In short big club fallen on hard times is the easier sell to the next coach than smaller club overachieving. Pretty much any manager at the Villa would get a free pass from even the fickle seals for just not being McLeish and moving the club in the right direction. Whereas whoever replaces Roy faces a tough task to improve on what has gone before and will have to battle against a heightened level of expectancy based on our relative success.
Finally there is less than zero chance of McLeish turning up at the Hawthorns.
That's not an automatic given. Big clubs in turmoil are notorious eaters of managers. If someone like Raineri, now in his 60s, wants a stable project and a stable next five years to work steadily then we'd be a worth a good look. We are not in financial turmoil and we do not need to cut our wage bill drastically and rebuild a better squad with less money.
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McLeish going muddies the waters a bit however as other posters have pointed out Villa are a very different proposition to ourselves.
In short big club fallen on hard times is the easier sell to the next coach than smaller club overachieving. Pretty much any manager at the Villa would get a free pass from even the fickle seals for just not being McLeish and moving the club in the right direction. Whereas whoever replaces Roy faces a tough task to improve on what has gone before and will have to battle against a heightened level of expectancy based on our relative success.
Finally there is less than zero chance of McLeish turning up at the Hawthorns.
Agree entirely re Mcleish and I agree with your also re the villa situation. Although I take your point Im not sure that we are a simply a smaller club overachieving. Actually I think we represent a top quality opportunity to manage an historical club with tremendous potential. I think its more to do with the person that you employ. Some coaches will be a good fit others not so good. As in the world of business top organisations dont simply advertise for someone they actively seek out the right person for the job. So yes there are coaches out there more suited to building from a blank sheet of paper with a big budget but equally there are the Roys of this world that fit into a well oiled system and extract the best from it. A case of horses for courses so to speak
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I dont think Appleton is ready for the managers job here. He is only half a season into his spell at Portsmouth and although nobody can blame him for their relegation, the fact still remains that he did nothing special at Portsmouth. If he had keep them up then maybe but I think he needs to achieve something before we consider him.
Im not reading too much into the betting exchanges at the moment though. There have been too many favourites so far. I think being sensible and analytical will tell you that Raneri may be considered having been interviewed however Hughton will be the one the club are looking at the most, unless there is somebody from left field available.
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Villa being in the market for a manager now means we have to move quickly. If we are competing with them then I think we'll come 2nd. Despite the fact that we have finished well above them in the league they are still a bigger pull.
If for instance we were in for Ranieri or AVB I think they'll be more tempted with the Villa job.
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Villa being in the market for a manager now means we have to move quickly. If we are competing with them then I think we'll come 2nd. Despite the fact that we have finished well above them in the league they are still a bigger pull.
If for instance we were in for Ranieri or AVB I think they'll be more tempted with the Villa job.
Think the very last thing we should do is compete with the Villa and get rushed into an appointment. The club should take its time and consider the possibles very carefully. If one goes to the Villa so be it. That way when we make a decision it is more likely to be a good one for both parties
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Off the Small Heath Alliance;
17:23, Monday 14 May 2012
Reliable sauce (tomato) of mine has told me that Hughton's gone for an interview at West Brom today.
Bye bye Chris
Did not get supported though.
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Off the Small Heath Alliance;
17:23, Monday 14 May 2012
Reliable sauce (tomato) of mine has told me that Hughton's gone for an interview at West Brom today.
Bye bye Chris
Did not get supported though.
Chris Lepkowski just refuted this on twitter.
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Would be disappointed with Lambert. I come from High Wycombe where he was manager at Wycombe Wanderers. His football was quite dire at times and I remember him saying words to the effect that 1-0 was a favourite score of his. Besides that, listening to a mumbler with a Glaswegian accent gets quite a strain. McLeish would be worse as the guy is defensive minded,as most Villa fans seem agreed. Apparently even when Villa were safe last Sunday, he still sent out a team not to get beat. We need a manager with vision playing expansive attractive football. Rodgers, Martinez or RDM would be my preference. But would not be too unhappy with Chris Hughton or Ranieri.
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Here's one. His team played the best football that I have seen this season. They dismantled and outplayed Manky United. He plays total football similar to Guardiola and van Haal. His name is Marcelo Bielsa and he is currently manager of Athletic Bilbao. WBA = Total football. Get him in there!
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AVB's odds cut again. From 20 to 16.
Find it strange his odds are lower for us than Villa (40).
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AVB will not be managing a team in this country for a good while if at all. He's obviously a talented manager but he just doesn't seem suited to English football ...
I agree. AVB's way too cerebral and aristocratic. He was more suited to the idea of Chelsea FC than the boots-on-pitch reality. Totally the wrong fit for WBA.
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AVB's odds cut again. From 20 to 16.
Find it strange his odds are lower for us than Villa (40).
Whos to say the club have not made contact and are seriously considering?
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Here's one. His team played the best football that I have seen this season. They dismantled and outplayed Manky United. He plays total football similar to Guardiola and van Haal. His name is Marcelo Bielsa and he is currently manager of Athletic Bilbao. WBA = Total football. Get him in there!
You being serious? The guy is HIGHLY rated in the football world, and has just took Bilbao to a Euro final, IF he were to become available, there would be much bigger clubs in Europe looking at him before he chose us.
We need to stay realistic.
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We need many years of consolidation, then we become long term morre attractive for a takeover.
Another Roy will do for me. Lets go get Sven, he can talk to Olsson
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We need many years of consolidation, then we become long term morre attractive for a takeover.
Another Roy will do for me. Lets go get Sven, he can talk to Olsson
yeah, and probably play him on the left wing
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Some interesting stuff from a lad at work..
(Dont shoot the messenger)
A lad at work has just said hes heard some strong rumours that Mowbray may be in the running again. Apparantly hes due an Interview.
What would be your thoughts on this?
I for one dont think it would happen...
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Some interesting stuff from a lad at work..
(Dont shoot the messenger)
A lad at work has just said hes heard some strong rumours that Mowbray may be in the running again. Apparantly hes due an Interview.
What would be your thoughts on this?
I for one dont think it would happen...
I have heard this too!!! :-[
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I have heard this too!!! :-[
If it were ever to happen we would need a proper defence coach, someone like Big Dave possibly.
Mind you some say his football aint been pretty to watch at the Boro
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I'd be worried the organisational side of our game that's been worked hard on would go out the window. I love Mowbray when he was here an was hurt the way he left us but if it happened I'd back him
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As like lewisant said, I too was really hurt when he jumped ship, especially after going so much on about philosophy and loyalty etc but he did give us some of the most exciting football to watch.
Though after the last year with Roy, I'll take the mid table 'boring' football as long as we stay up and sustain some stability.
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26/1 to 1 with some bookies.
Might be worth a cheeky £5.
Personally i think its going to be Hughtons job.
Football is fascinating at times.
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Tony Mowbray would take us backwards, would be a poor appointment.
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According to today's Brum mail we are closely monitoring the situation at Norwich so Lambert is a likely candidate.
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I would hope Mowbray has learned valuable lessons since hes been away. While he was here we played some of the best football I've seen at our club.
I always thought he would be a superb manager when working with better players. I can see him returning one day but I dont think now is the right time.
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Oh dear, please not Mowbray the bloke is a myth, how people can say he played good football in the premiership is beyond me, good football is winning football
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Mowbray would be a suicidal appointment.
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Cant see Mowbray happening, I'd imagine JP was as wounded as the rest of us when he went.
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Peace doesnt strike my as the type to go back and give someone another chance , so i would be shocked if Mowbray come back.
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Mowbray probably no.
I am not sure that Peace was entirely happy with the way he jumped ship after he had stuck with him through what was a pretty dire campaign. I just had a quick look at 'Boro's results and their problem was a lack of goals there were not too many 4-3 or 2-3 scorelines which littered his reign at the Hawthorns, he might have learnt a valuable lesson given that his philosophy cost him his "dream" job at Celtic.
I am generally not one for taking managers back for a second chance and in this case I think we have moved on quite a bit since Mowbray was here so not for me.
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I think it is nonesense-why not have RDM back if we are going down that road.
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I hate Mowbray
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I think it is nonesense-why not have RDM back if we are going down that road.
Completly agree, would be undoing all the hard defensive organisation that roys done, i want hughton now.
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I would just like us to push on this week and try to get something done, rumours are Kenny is gone from Liverpool and people say us, liverpool and villa will be looking down different avenues for replacements but it makes the likes of Ranieri, Martinez even slimmer than they already are to join us. Also there's the knock on affects of who they take, if Rogers, Lambert, Martinez were to go to Liverpool / Villa we'd then be competing with Wigan/Swansea/Norwich for a new coach and they will be going down similar avenues as us.
IMO we should fast track Hughton in and anybody else we want to talk to get it done soon!
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For god's sake dont go down the road of having ex-managers back. Look what happened when Giles and Atkinson came back for the second time. It dont work
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Dont know why everyone's panicing, the wheels are most likely in motion for whoever we are going to get.
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Ranieri has apparently been in talks with a few clubs but has said that he has met with the owners of Fiorentina and offered his services and that would be his ideal job if offered it.
I think he is playing a clever game of just letting everybody know he is available, our sunday league manager has stepped down so may see if Ranieri fancies that, he wants every other job!
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I think the Ranieri link was very tentative. Fiorentina is a much more likely destination or even Villa.
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Ranieri has apparently been in talks with a few clubs but has said that he has met with the owners of Fiorentina and offered his services and that would be his ideal job if offered it.
I think he is playing a clever game of just letting everybody know he is available, our sunday league manager has stepped down so may see if Ranieri fancies that, he wants every other job!
ala Owen Hargreaves
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Di Matteo was asked in his press conference about him going back to West Brom as manager, his reply -
In my life i once went back with an ex girlfriend....... it didnt work out!
Think its fair to say he wont be returning!
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I cant see Mowbray or Di Matteo coming back and personally i dont want them back.
Thats nothing against them as managers, but I feel both have moved on.
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I cant see Mowbray or Di Matteo coming back and personally i dont want them back.
Thats nothing against them as managers, but I feel both have moved on.
I think people forget Mowbray was leaving us at the end of that season whether it was to Celtic or not,things between him and JP weren't at all well and it was rumoured at the time JP wanted to sack TM around February if i remember but got talked out of it.Certainly Venus wanted out anyway.Total non starter for me.
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JP/DA have known Roy was leaving for some time now (and in my opinion long before it was officially announced) and we all know how they work. No knee jerk reactions ... planning, planning planning. If a replacement isn't on its way I would be most surprised. We no longer deal in iffs and butts.
Mowbray would not entertain coming back under JP, if my memory serves me well TM was unhappy and I believe couldn't get out quick enough. RDM comments says it all.
I have a hunch and it is only a hunch that Martinez will be our next manager. I understand that not too long ago he spent time in JP's company. JP was impressed with his intelligence. You never know it could equally be a rabbit out of the hat and not on our radar
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JP/DA have known Roy was leaving for some time now (and in my opinion long before it was officially announced) and we all know how they work. No knee jerk reactions ... planning, planning planning. If a replacement isn't on its way I would be most surprised. We no longer deal in iffs and butts.
Mowbray would not entertain coming back under JP, if my memory serves me well TM was unhappy and I believe couldn't get out quick enough. RDM comments says it all.
I have a hunch and it is only a hunch that Martinez will be our next manager. I understand that not too long ago he spent time in JP's company. JP was impressed with his intelligence. You never know it could equally be a rabbit out of the hat and not on our radar
My money is on the 'rabbit' - someone from Europe who hasn't been touted so far.
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My money is on the 'rabbit' - someone from Europe who hasn't been touted so far.
I agree.
If I were a gambling man I would be laying anyone in the current betting market who is less than 10/1.
I think it will not be anyone obvious.
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They are of no threat at all now, so it's fine. But Wo1ve5 appear to have nabbed a good coach from the mainland!?
I think we're unlikely to get a British manager due to how we're set up. We're especially unlikely to get an older British manager. So unless it's Hughton I would guess the appointment won't be a Brit at all.
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My few quid went on AVB
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Would love AVB. Also agree that we will approach a coach from the mainland who can fit straight into our system.
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Think AVB would want too much in terms of wages, was on a 'bomb' at Chelsea.
That said, only way we would have the slightest chance is if he thinks he has a massive point too prove to the english game.
I feel AVB will end up in Spain somewere.
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Not even the remotest of chances of AVB, wasting your money with that one. A bad time at Chelsea maybe but there's plenty of top clubs across Europe who'd be happy to have him. His exploits at Porto won't be forgotten that quickly.
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Owen Coyle anyone???
I wouldnt mind him at all.
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There's a rumour on twitter at present that Dalglish has left his post. I am sure we don't want this has-been!
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Owen Coyle anyone???
I wouldnt mind him at all.
I personally think he's very over rated and perhaps been found out at this level. He went on a slide with Bolton which he couldn't stop last season and it has appeared to continue with them being relegated this season. From what I've seen of Bolton this season on the TV, they have well and truly been awful. Let him carry on the job ruining Bolton.
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There's a rumour on twitter at present that Dalglish has left his post. I am sure we don't want this has-been!
Dalglish is one of the only people who I would never support as manager at the Albion. Nasty little man.
Thank god he won't be coming though ;D
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I love LOVE Dalglish as manager of the Albion. ;D
Never going to happen though. :'(
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I'd rather McLeish or Neil Lennon than Dalglish! :P
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There are times when you have to be grateful that Peace is careful with money there are mistakes that he just cannot make i.e. Dalglish. I would sooner have Warnock!!
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Everyone keeps mentioning AVB, I don't see the attraction. Failed at Chelsea with much better players than we have, I don't think he's ready for the PL yet. Could you imagine our defence of Ridgewell, Olsson, McCauley and Reid playing his high line system? Scary to even think about it. Not to mention the wages he would want, Peace wouldn't shell out that much money on someone who has only had success with one club.
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I'd rather McLeish or Neil Lennon than Dalglish! :P
..and I´d rather have Lou Macari than Dalglish.
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Owen Coyle anyone???
I wouldnt mind him at all.
Took Bolton down, wears shorts on the touchline, comes across a total bell, whats not to like?
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Tony Mowbray would take us backwards, would be a poor appointment.
Would rather have an Alex McLeish and Joey Barton 'dream team' than that lying 2-faced RAT
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I think its generally accepted by everyone that the new coach must be able to fit into our way of doing things and not the other way round. With this in mind my guess is the board will be profiling only top quality candidates who they think can pick up where Roy has left off. By that I mean being able to structure and organise the coaching and develop individuals both on and off the field with a real eye for detail. I also think the penny has dropped that If we are to remain in the PL no matter how expansive our footballing ambitions are you have to be able to defend properly or you are unlikely to survive. Bolton would be a clear example of this. Under Sam a manager with an obsession for statistics and detail Bolton never really struggled and could be gritty and defensive when required. Under Owen Coyle they have tried to expand and play a more open game and got relegated for their efforts. Swansea a very interesting team playing total football but not great defensively. My prediction is they will find it much harder as time progresses unless they defend better. Wigan a smooth easy on the eye side but unable to defend until Martinez went three at the back with the wide men dropping back in are another example.
So our next coach has to be demanding, have a real tactical brain and a particularly strong ability to organise defences? A Rafa Benitez, Sven or Ranieri type tactician would seem to make most sense.
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Keep hearing different names everyday as expected! Martin Jol the latest but can't see us paying compensation to Fulham. Also why would he leave?
My money's still Hughton and I think he would be a great choice. Appleton not for me though he is too inexperienced.
We will see eh? I'm sure Mr Peace and Co know what they are doing ;)
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Heard today that Stale Solbakken @ Wolves was highly recommended by Roy. Wonder if he mentioned him to DA as well and the dogheads nicked in for him before we had chance ???
Pure speculation on my part but you never know.
See your angle but No in my eyes. Think WBA are looking for direct PL experience or proven experience in one of the major european leagues La Liga, Serie A, Bundersliga. Success in Denmark and a failure in Germany wouldnt add up for us at this point in time.
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I'd rather McLeish or Neil Lennon than Dalglish! :P
Appointing Dogleash would truly test my resolve, dead last on my list behind Kim Jong Un.
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Wolves nick Solbakken. Villa about to nick McCarthy.
The way things are going, there will only be good managers left for us to choose from :D
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Everyone keeps mentioning AVB, I don't see the attraction. Failed at Chelsea with much better players than we have, I don't think he's ready for the PL yet. Could you imagine our defence of Ridgewell, Olsson, McCauley and Reid playing his high line system? Scary to even think about it. Not to mention the wages he would want, Peace wouldn't shell out that much money on someone who has only had success with one club.
The failure at Chelsea was because he tried to change too much, too soon, and the established names spit their dummies.
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How about Carl Robinson from MK Dons wouldn't be the first manager from there. His team showed a lot of passion and desire tonight they played well
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If we are going to go that far down id go for Powell. Robinson is too young and has done nothing that other Milton Keynes managers havent done already (ie, failed in the league 1 play offs).
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Agree his age is an issue but their last manager is now taking charge of a team in the Champions League Final
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The failure at Chelsea was because he tried to change too much, too soon, and the established names spit their dummies.
Well if he came here and tried to change too much too soon then I'd anticipate the same response from some of our players, rightly or wrongly. Only we don't have the wealth of talent that Chelsea do.
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Got to be Paolo di Canio!
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/15/west-brom-baggies-monitor-paul-lambert-situation-and-bookies-fancy-michael-appleton-return-97319-30971011/
West Brom are keeping a close eye on Paul Lambert’s situation at Norwich City - as Michael Appleton’s odds of succeeding Roy Hodgson tumble.
Canaries boss Lambert side-stepped questions about his own future following his side’s 2-0 win against Villa on Sunday - a gesture which will alert both Albion and Villa to his potential availability.
Carrow Road chief executive David McNally recently said that he would be maintaining a tight rein on expenditure.
That remit is expected to include no increases in Norwich’s current wage structure.
Lambert, however, is keen for Norwich to relax those current constraints.
Although Albion might not be deemed as a huge leap up for the ambitious Lambert, they could certainly offer greater financial resources at this stage of his career.
Whether the job would appeal to Lambert and, more so, whether Albion would seek a manager of his particular profile remains to be seen.
But as part of the process of due diligence, Albion will certainly have some interest.
Lambert was also lauded by Villa fans as a potential successor to Alex McLeish and is likely to be among the list of candidates as a potential replacement
There is no indication that the Glaswegian - who remains very close to ex-Villa Park boss Martin O’Neill - would want to uproot for either vacancy, though his most-recent comments were certainly non-committal.
McNally insisted Norwich had no plans to lose Lambert.
“We would not welcome any enquiry for our football manager or any of the club’s football players,” McNally said.
“We will do everything we can and fight this as hard as we have ever fought.
“If I was at another football club and I was looking for another manager he’d be top of my list.
“But we are focused on keeping our manager and the footballers he wants to retain at the club and to bring in better footballers to complement the club.”
Appleton, meanwhile, is another intriguing prospect after several bookmakers elevated him to second or third favourite.
The 36-year-old left his position as Albion No2 last year to take the reins at Portmouth.
His task of keeping Pompey in the Championship was undermined by the loss of 10 points due to their administration.
Despite their troubles, Appleton is regarded highly by Portsmouth fans on the south coast and was given a hero’s reception after their final game of the season.
His stock certainly remains high within Albion’s corridors of power.
Even so, there are likely to be other candidates ahead of Appleton and Lambert at this stage.
Blues gaffer Chris Hughton remains the bookmakers’ favourite. Roberto Martinez remains highly-thought of but Albion might struggle to entice him.
The Wigan boss has two years left on his current deal and would not be a cheap option
Surely Michael Appleton cannot be in the running. Very bad move if we get him.
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Got to be Paolo di Canio!
More chance of Megson coming back :D
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/15/west-brom-baggies-monitor-paul-lambert-situation-and-bookies-fancy-michael-appleton-return-97319-30971011/
Surely Michael Appleton cannot be in the running. Very bad move if we get him.
He knows the players and the way the club operates. People at the club have been must have been very impressed with his coaching skills and credentials to take the gamble. Has worked closely with Roy, if only briefly, so it would provide some continuity. He has done well at Pompey according to most of their fans.
I still think it's too early for him but it would not be a disastrous appointment in my opinion.
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i don't want to sound negative and i'd give the bloke a chance but please not appleton.... this is a job that a decent experienced manager could have now, the only experience appleton has is that west ham game
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He knows the players and the way the club operates. People at the club have been must have been very impressed with his coaching skills and credentials to take the gamble. Has worked closely with Roy, if only briefly, so it would provide some continuity. He has done well at Pompey according to most of their fans.
I still think it's too early for him but it would not be a disastrous appointment in my opinion.
I hate the way this apparent quality of "knows how the club operates" gets banded about like it means anything, so does the kitman in all fairness. Sorry but now is really not the time to be taking risks, I know they got a 10 point deduction and all that but he's got a team relegated at the end of the day (with on paper was a decent squad), they were hardly stranded at the bottom either with the deduction. He's only got 6 months managerial experience aswell! Surely if were going to take a previous player on Derek Mcinnes, who has kept a club up and has more experience under his belt would be a better pick.
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He knows the players and the way the club operates. People at the club have been must have been very impressed with his coaching skills and credentials to take the gamble. Has worked closely with Roy, if only briefly, so it would provide some continuity. He has done well at Pompey according to most of their fans.
I still think it's too early for him but it would not be a disastrous appointment in my opinion.
He needs more experience before he takes over a Prem club. I do think he'll be our manager one day, same goes for McInnes, but that West Ham 2nd half is too fresh in the memory.
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AVB's odds cut again. From 20 to 16.
Down to 10 tonight now.
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Down to 10 tonight now.
it would blow me away if we got him. no chance imo but we can hope
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it would blow me away if we got him. no chance imo but we can hope
Really AVB? I think it unlikely but assuming that he turned up at the Hawthorns do you think we have the players to deliver his style of football?
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Really AVB? I think it unlikely but assuming that he turned up at the Hawthorns do you think we have the players to deliver his style of football?
I just remember liking Chelsea again when they got him because I read up on him and he seems an exciting prospect, maybe made the step up too soon. Do we have the quality?! Wed need some different players for sure, defenders with pace.
Anyway I don't think well get him so it's neither here or there really.
I'll say it again, get Hughton or somebody in fast because it seems there could be a managerial merry go round starting soon!
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The Sun has put Roberto Martinez as our preferred choice to take over as manager. He would be a great acquisition having worked miracles at Swansea and Wigan, but with the Liverpool job likely to come up in a few days I can see us being edged out. See:
ROBERTO MARTINEZ has emerged as West Brom’s top choice to replace Roy Hodgson.
The Wigan boss was regarded as one of the favourites for the vacant Aston Villa job — but the highly-rated Spaniard, 38, has always been on Albion’s radar.
It is understood Baggies have been in contact with Wigan chairman Dave Whelan and may even have opened talks with Martinez.
Whelan said: “I’ve spoken to Roberto about the interest in him from one club — but we haven’t received any notification at all from Aston Villa."
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The failure at Chelsea was because he tried to change too much, too soon, and the established names spit their dummies.
Spot on FallOutBoy 100% agree
My main concern with him is could he manage a team that runs on such a low war chest that we do, i suppose he would have to take the job 1st to answer that.
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I think that a few of the managers in the frame for us will also be in the frame for Liverpool should Dogleish get the bullet, they will therefore resist us and veela in the hope that they get a call from the reds.
Long drawn out saga coming up.
Could do with J Henry giving Dogleish a vote of confidence.
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They just had Dave Whelan on TalkSport and he basically said he doesnt believe Martinez will go to West Brom or Villa but expects him to leave 'one day' to a bigger club.
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God how i love all these rumours.
Different manager every day.
I believe were already half way down the line to getting the man we want, wouldnt be suprised to see someone named by end of month, possibly a name not been thrown about much.
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It's getting a little tedious now, reading all the different rumours. There's not a great deal we can do to persuade anything anyway.
All I hope for is that it's a top appointment, and not an up-and-comer. Roy raised our profile, so anything short of a top manager would be moving backwards.
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I'm not really fussed about whether the new boss will have a big name or be an up and comer so to speak they just need to be the right man for the job and we have to trust JP and DA to get it right, only time will tell ultimately no matter who gets it. One thing is for sure following on from someone with the profile and experience of Roy Hodgson is going to be pretty difficult.
There aren't a lot of options out there as far as I can see and there isn't one name we've been linked with that has actually stood out for me. Its going to be a very interesting few weeks coming up.
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Re Appleton knowing the club etc etc, word of warning Terry Connor was at Wolves 13/14 years and he knew the club too......
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Re Appleton knowing the club etc etc, word of warning Terry Connor was at Wolves 13/14 years and he knew the club too......
Valid point my friend.
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i don't want to sound negative and i'd give the bloke a chance but please not appleton.... this is a job that a decent experienced manager could have now, the only experience appleton has is that west ham game
And then the valuble experience he would of learnt off Roy Hodgson during his time with the club. Although the team had a bad second half, they had a very good first 45 minutes. The team choked just as much as Appleton, he might of made a questionable decision, but the old nightmare of set pieces came back to haunt us again. That not entirely Appletons fault.
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Appletons one for the future IMO and not what we need right now.
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If you ignore the fact Appleton has any connection with West Brom, because after all, it's completely meaningless when it comes to actual ability. Then would anyone here, hand on heart, say "yup, he's the man for us" based purely off his managerial record? I very very much doubt it.
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The only reason Appleton is mentioned is because he played for us, nobody would know him otherwise, same goes with mcinnes.
Roy Keane has come into 4/1 today. Any views?
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The only reason Appleton is mentioned is because he played for us, nobody would know him otherwise, same goes with mcinnes.
Roy Keane has come into 4/1 today. Any views?
I agree to some extent, but Appleton had been working at the club in many capacities for a few years up to assistant manager, that's quite notable. Not saying it's enough for him to get the job alone but it is to his advantage.
I agree about McInnes though.
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Roy Keane has come into 4/1 today. Any views?
Yes, I have a view. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Roy Keane has come into 4/1 today. Any views?
Definitely not! A complete non starter for me.
I haven't seen anything that makes me believe he is capable of delvoping the team on or off the pitch beyond where it is now.
In fact, I am sure we would see a steady decline as soon as he arrived from players wanting away to fans questioning his methods\personality.
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I wouldn't have thought Roy Keane was a serious consideration TBH
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Apparently we've spoken to Martin jol too. And Steve Bruce, as well as ranieri and hughton. Nothing formal yet just prelim talks.
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Apparently we've spoken to Martin jol too. And Steve Bruce, as well as ranieri and hughton. Nothing formal yet just prelim talks.
That would be a huge blow to a team we aim to be following in terms of consistancy.
If we were to poach Jol from Fulham id see that as shrewd bit of business.
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The only reason Appleton is mentioned is because he played for us, nobody would know him otherwise, same goes with mcinnes.
Roy Keane has come into 4/1 today. Any views?
Yep... No f***** way ! :o
Would pay good money to see an interview process between Jeremy Peace and Roy Keane mind..
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Roy Keane is a non starter. Cant see Peace wanting to work with him
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Apparently we've spoken to Martin jol too. And Steve Bruce, as well as ranieri and hughton. Nothing formal yet just prelim talks.
Where'd you hear that?
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Dalglish sacked.
Shakes things up again.
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Roy Keane >:( no thank you. Steve Bruce >:( no thank you
Martin Jol :)yes please Roberto Martinez :)yes please
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Got a tenner on AVB at 33/1 two hours before the odds dropped to 10/1. Just a hunch!
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Got a tenner on AVB at 33/1 two hours before the odds dropped to 10/1. Just a hunch!
He has probably already had his interview
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Dalglish sacked.
Shakes things up again.
Off to villa hopefully so that's one rival and one poor cand out the way!
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Villa and Liverpool will have the pick, Lambert & Rodgers?
Us and maybe Norwich and Swansea could well be fighting for whats left
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Dalglish sacked.
Shakes things up again.
Im not sure if the managerial merry go round is great news for us.
Before the weekend, we had time to relax and do things at our own pace. With Villa and Liverpool now potentially looking at managers like Lambert and Martinez, that could in turn mean Norwich and Wigan start looking at managers like Hughton, will mean we may have to act quicker than expected.
Saw one local journalist say on his twitter that he felt Martinez would be the preferred choice for Peace. With Villa and maybe Liverpool now looking at him, our already long shot chances look even slimmer.
Hopefully Liverpool look to bigger name like AVB or Rijkaard which would stop the shake up in the league but who knows.
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Ok, mulling this over here are a few thoughts.
Out of our recent managers only Hodgson has been truly comfortable at the PL level. RdM wasn't ready and made rookie mistakes. Megson and Mowbray were simply a level above where their abilities were (not to mention Venus and Peter Grant :o)
I'd like for our new manager to have:
A. the experience of competing at the PL level, if not as manager then at least as a player who knew the league inside out.
B. Have proven his managerial talent in some way, like having achieved promotion(s) against the odds and 'over achieved' with the resources he had to work with.
Now, obviously we are not going to get an ex-Manager of the Year like Roy, so whomever we get is likely to be less experienced than Roy. But we cannot have a new RdM either that loses the plot as badly as Roberto did mid-season.
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Did anyone hear Dave Whealen say on Talk Sport this morning that his manager would not be leaving for us or the Villa but he said its possible he would go to a bigger club
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Did anyone hear Dave Whealen say on Talk Sport this morning that his manager would not be leaving for us or the Villa but he said its possible he would go to a bigger club
I didnt, but it is understandable why he would say it. He may feel Wigan could aim for a 10th place finish. If they can, then at they can finish about as high as ourselves and Villa can finish in our current situations. He may feel it is a sideways step.
I personally feel from a neutral perspective that the dwindling finances at Wigan mean that Villa and Albion are forward steps but by what level im not sure. I actually think if possible, Martinez should consider a move abroad where he could manage in a league that would allow him to achieve higher than 8th place, unless he gets an offer from a club like Liverpool.
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Hope Liverpool go for someone like Ranieri, but wouldn't surprise me if they went for Rodgers or Martinez. Villa I think will go for Lambert.
By the look of things now after the sack of Dalglish, I think we will end up with Ollie... (but Ollie and JP doesn't sound like a harmonious mix :P)
Is there some talented German/Dutch/Latin manager that wants a shot at the PL? :/
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Hope Liverpool go for someone like Ranieri, but wouldn't surprise me if they went for Rodgers or Martinez. Villa I think will go for Lambert.
By the look of things now after the sack of Dalglish, I think we will end up with Ollie... (but Ollie and JP doesn't sound like a harmonious mix :P)
Is there some talented German/Dutch/Latin manager that wants a shot at the PL? :/
Who is Ollie? the Gunnar one
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Who is Ollie? the Gunnar one
Holloway >_<
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Holloway >_<
no way! im still convinced we should get hughton, perhaps albion were too slow in acting. if its appleton ill be very displeased
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I'd personally like Michael Laudrup, good reputation in the game and hasnt done bad in his managerial career
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I don't know, if we were getting Hughton I think we would have heard something by now. Don't think we have him as first, or close to first, choice anymore.
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Holloway >_<
I agree but 90% on here dont :D
I think we should just go and get Hughton, most of us will be content with that appointment
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I agree but 90% on here dont :D
I think we should just go and get Hughton, most of us will be content with that appointment
Agreed , i think its also a case of him fitting the bill. He could become part of this club, and the building of it could be a real project and his first steady managerial job. He brings a lot of PL experience to the table albeit as an assistant.
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Agreed , i think its also a case of him fitting the bill. He could become part of this club, and the building of it could be a real project and his first steady managerial job. He brings a lot of PL experience to the table albeit as an assistant.
That's precisely why I am not overkeen personally. Yes he has potential but so did Mowbray and RDM.
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That's precisely why I am not overkeen personally. Yes he has potential but so did Mowbray and RDM.
We are shopping for managers who only have potential though. Yes we were linked with Ranieri but that looks like a red herring now. We could go for experience like Curbishley but he is old fashioned and then the only experienced coaches we can get are from abroad. If we look in this country, we are always taking a isk.
Hughtons coaching experience and relative success at 2 clubs as a head coach/manager are positives.
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I think the club probably know who they are going to appoint, but according to the Birmingham Mail they like to carry out extensive interviews and gauge what others have to say. Clear to see the club are demonstrating good diligence, compared to the Wolves at least!
Looking at the odds today, seems a lot of the odds on names have drifted, but I guess that's understandable with the Liverpool and Villa sackings.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager
Odds mainly have been cut on Chris Hughton, Roy Keane, Lee Clark and AVB.
My bet would be Hughton.
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Clear to see the club are demonstrating good diligence, compared to the Wolves at least!
Aren't we supposed to have a fantastic database arising from the meticulous research we routinely do on managers on an ongoing basis, so that we're ready to move as soon the need arises? Well, the need has arisen and other clubs may well be looking at some of the people on our short-list, so it's time to stop faffing about and get on with proper interviews and appointing someone.
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AVB: It's really hard for me to imagine AVB strutting around the Hawthorns -- something just doesn't feel right there.
Is Kenny totally out of the question for WBA? It would serve him right.
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Aren't we supposed to have a fantastic database arising from the meticulous research we routinely do on managers on an ongoing basis, so that we're ready to move as soon the need arises? Well, the need has arisen and other clubs may well be looking at some of the people on our short-list, so it's time to stop faffing about and get on with proper interviews and appointing someone.
FFS calm down luv ::)
We are notorious for not washing our dirty linen in public, all these processes you mention are probably in full swing as we speak.
CL said on his web chat that we are still on course to make an appointment by the end of the month, that'll do for me.
What's the saying? Marry in haste, repent in leisure!
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Appy is starting to get mentioned more and more now. Speeding up I think.
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Appy is starting to get mentioned more and more now. Speeding up I think.
Let's hope it's speeding up towards not appointing him then, as he really doesn't have the experience we need at this point in time.
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I fear the competition from Liverpool and Villa may kill our chances of a Premier League experienced manager.
Unless Liverpool go for Martinez, I can't see them fishing in the same pond as us but if them and Villa nick Norwich and Swansea's gaffers, we'll be under serious pressure.
I can't see us signing a 'big name'. Despite speculation, it'll all be stepping stone talk like Hargreaves and Ranieri.
I've heard Collin Tattum suggest that Blues have gotten under Hughton's skin (apparantly the bloke knows him well on a personal level) and we'll struggle to entice him.
I think we're more likely to get a foreign manager no one has heard of and for this reason I fear for the attraction of staying/ coming to Albion. I think we'll probably lose the likes of Olsson and Foster. Even Shane Long said he wants a 'big name'. A pivotal summer awaits, I just hope DA and JP's homework will pay off.
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Let's hope it's speeding up towards not appointing him then, as he really doesn't have the experience we need at this point in time.
Agree totally -- please no. It would be a huge gamble.
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I've heard Collin Tattum suggest that Blues have gotten under Hughton's skin (apparantly the bloke knows him well on a personal level) and we'll struggle to entice him.
Let's hope. How much great "dignity" can Chris Hughton have if he drops his team so easily. I understand we live in a world where money talks, but loyalty should count for something, too. Hughton needs to stay put and show that he's capable of making a commitment. I frankly wouldn't trust him as a long-term solution to the manager question if he's so willing to jump ship.
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Let's hope. How much great "dignity" can Chris Hughton have if he drops his team so easily. I understand we live in a world where money talks, but loyalty should count for something, too. Hughton needs to stay put and show that he's capable of making a commitment. I frankly wouldn't trust him as a long-term solution to the manager question if he's so willing to jump ship.
So who would you appoint then?
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Appy is starting to get mentioned more and more now. Speeding up I think.
Mentioned where?
Appy has to be about bottom of any 'lists' we have if he even makes them. Knowing the X and O's inside out is only half the job, then you have to be creative, highly intelligent, experienced, a strong leader and motivator, able to handle the media circus, and driven to win etc. It's a very demanding job which is why there are so few outstanding coaches about.
I've nothing against Appy but I simply think that this job is a number or two too big for him as things stand now.
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So who would you appoint then?
You're making the bold assumption that I know what I'm bloody talking about. ;D Have no idea. Erm, Kenny Dalglish?
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You're making the bold assumption that I know what I'm bloody talking about. ;D Have no idea. Erm, Kenny Dalglish?
Haha, apologies!
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I'm hearing pretty strong stories about AVB, so sure that one person I know has lumped £50 on him. Take that how you will ;D
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Hughton is now odds on with all bookies.
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Baggie79 do you expect an announcement regarding a new manager to come quickly now as regards to a lot of job opportunities becoming available elsewhere ?
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If anyone is looking for someone from left field how about Bernd Schuster, I posted this in March & I still think he would be a great fit for the Albion, having worked with many clubs of a similar(ish) size, (exception being Real Madrid who he won La Liga with) available, so no compo, worth a look JP/DA ;)
I personally think/hope Roy will stay, if he's not offered the England job.
If he did leave, a manager that I would love to see at the Albion is Bernd Schuster, he has massive experience & has had a lot of success throughout his career, he would be used to working in our system as he has done with other European clubs.
I think he would be a very exciting appointment for the fans & maybe able to take the club forward to new heights & I'm sure he is currently available after leaving Besiktas.
Only downside is he can be a bit volatile & outspoken especially with the media but you cant always go for the 'safe' option.
Might see if the bookies will take a bet off me, for him tomorrow! ;D
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Bernd Schuster is a very very good shout, experience, world name, available with no compensation .... Very good shout.
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Baggie79 do you expect an announcement regarding a new manager to come quickly now as regards to a lot of job opportunities becoming available elsewhere ?
I have no idea but what I would suggest is that if the appointment is very quick it will be Hughton/Appleton but if it goes for a couple of weeks I think we are talking about the bigger name managers.
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Can't understand where all this talk of AVB has come from to be honest? Not saying I wouldn't want him though!
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Bernd Schuster is a very very good shout, experience, world name, available with no compensation .... Very good shout.
Talking of German mangers, I wouldn't mind Felix Magath, now at Wolfsburg. I'm sure he expressed an interest in managing in England. He has a reputation though as a disciplinarian, and often rubs players up the wrong way. Jurgen Klopp is an obvious choice now, double winning manager of Borussia Dortmund, but he wouldn't want to leave a club just qualified for the Champions League.
Of the Dutch managers, Ronald Koeman would be an excellent choice. He has just got Feyenoord into second place, their best for years. He was being considered for the Villa job last time around.
However, especially with foreign managers, you have to look at their communication skills. They have to get their points across to the players in a strong and persuasive manner. Capello couldn't do it and I don't think AVB could, at least not in English. If there's one thing the club should have learned from Roy, it is that you need to be respected by the players. Maybe an experienced manager is therefore better if he comes across the right way with the players like Roy did.
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No problem with AVB's English at all. The communication problem he had at Chelsea was the fact that the older players didn't want to listen.
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AVB is the leading favourite with the Bookies for the Liverpool job.
However, I take great pleasure that the Bookies have him a lot more favourite for him to come to us than the Vile ;D
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Like every one else I'm getting a big buzz out of some of the names being banded about but to me it's vital that he is in place by the end of this month. VITAL
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No problem with AVB's English at all. The communication problem he had at Chelsea was the fact that the older players didn't want to listen.
Yeah he could speak English, but it was the way he spoke. But he gabbled away like an overgrown kid who'd just learned something at school. Not surprised Terry and Lampard didn't take much notice.
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The odds would suggest we've made no real movement for managers just yet, they've not much changed really so far - bar Ranieri who continually drifts, its looking like we can pretty much rule him out. Still, its not like we're in a great rush anyway. Plenty of time to decide on the right choice.
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Like every one else I'm getting a big buzz out of some of the names being banded about but to me it's vital that he is in place by the end of this month. VITAL
Chris Lepowski reckoned they will have someone appointed within the next week/ by the end of the month.
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Yeah he could speak English, but it was the way WHAT he spoke.
Or rather, what he didn't. Bottom line: this little aristocrat couldn't connect with the players.
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Sounds like AVB is the favourite for Liverpool current odds2/1
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AVB is, to me, in the same position as Roy when he came to us, slightly tarnished with the bigger Premier clubs. Perfect fit on a two year deal with us in order to prove doubters wrong at a club with lower expectations and rebuild reputation.
As regards him and Chelsea he was undoubtedly carrying out Abramovich's plans to cull an ageing squad but just went about it too quickly. I wouldn't lay the communication problem purely at his door, the senior pro's there knew there time was coming to an end and this with the need for results forced him out. I don't see the same rebellious characters at our place. My fingers remain crossed.
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AVB is, to me, in the same position as Roy when he came to us, slightly tarnished with the bigger Premier clubs. Perfect fit on a two year deal with us in order to prove doubters wrong at a club with lower expectations and rebuild reputation.
As regards him and Chelsea he was undoubtedly carrying out Abramovich's plans to cull an ageing squad but just went about it too quickly. I wouldn't lay the communication problem purely at his door, the senior pro's there knew there time was coming to an end and this with the need for results forced him out. I don't see the same rebellious characters at our place. My fingers remain crossed.
would'nt mind avb myself or failing that benitez would'nt be a bad shout did well at liverpool before falling out with the owners plenty of experience in the top flight which is what we'll need not championship managers who have only been assistants in the premier mainly /not the same thing the more i think about it benitez fits the bill /cant see liverpool having him back and he's looking to manage in this contry again snap him up jp 8)
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Benetiz's wages would be ridiculous, he'll manage a Valancia type team soon.
Some peoples expectations on here are way too high.
To name Benetiz and AVB as the next managers are HIGHLY unrealistic.
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To name Benetiz and AVB as the next managers are HIGHLY unrealistic.
I agree entirely, however us getting Hodgson last year has raised the bar for us in terms of who we believe we could potentially convince to join the club as manager. What people need to remember is that the circumstances for Hodgson were spot on and it suited everyone, I couldn't say the same about Benitez or AVB.
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Don't think that AVB's next job is going to be about money, it's about rebuilding his reputation. Perfect fit with us. With regards to rebuilding confidence in a manager look no further than Roy, 'we've done it before and we can do it again'.
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AVB is a young man that has had his first failure as a manager and I expect he will be looking for a different kind of challenge to managing us. His stock will still be high enough in the World game that he will still get a chance at a bigger club than ours very soon but possibly abroad. The circumstances are just different and to me make it extremely unlikely that he will have any interest in our job at all.
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Noted, I just have a feeling.
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AVB wouldn't "drop" to our level, I'm pretty sure. He sees himself as a "Euromanager", so he'll go off to the continent to lick his wounds and rebuild his reputation.
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I think Hughton will stay at the blues, if we're that keen on him we would of made a move by now.If we didn't get Hughton I would like us to get Gus Poyet. AVB will go to a team like Roma or Inter, and I actually think ranieri could get the Liverpool job.
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As much as I would love AVB, its just not going to happen. At first I did like the thought of Hughton, but now not so sure. I'll be happy with Gus Poyet
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I think Hughton will stay at the blues, if we're that keen on him we would of made a move by now.If we didn't get Hughton I would like us to get Gus Poyet. AVB will go to a team like Roma or Inter, and I actually think ranieri could get the Liverpool job.
how do you know we haven't?
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I am ashamed of myself but i am starting to come round to the idea of Roy Keane! I am aware i am possibly in the minority of 1!
I was thinking about this yesterday before it emerged he had gone up to 2nd favourite and his people have commented on it but i think he could be a good appointment.
He did a good job at Sunderland, got them up, kept them up, and then the next season it went a bit wrong but the 2 years before that he did very well. Ipswich was awful but he also said after he went with the best intentions but for the wrong reasons and it was a big mistake he learnt from and he rushed to get back into management. Also most managers including Lambert (Wycombe), Rodgers (Reading), AVB (Chelsea) even Roy at Liverpool have some sort of blip on their CV.
I also saw he said that the next job he had he would wait for, thats usual management speak i know but he said if he didn’t work again its because the right job didn’t come up.
I cant help but think he would come in with a point to prove, he probably knows his next job will make or break him management wise, he has the respect worldwide over as a ‘name’ and if he has learnt from his mistakes he could be a good appointment. He also only had 2 jobs but has not done the rounds with numerous clubs but he has experience of worldwide football as well premiership management.
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I think Hughton will stay at the blues, if we're that keen on him we would of made a move by now.If we didn't get Hughton I would like us to get Gus Poyet. AVB will go to a team like Roma or Inter, and I actually think ranieri could get the Liverpool job.
We're keeping our option book open and quite rightly. I'd much rather us take our time than go flooding in and appointing anybody and then regretting it if a better manager became available. Hughton might be our main target, but the future of Paul Lambert is still uncertain and therefore, and quite rightly, we should be taking our time over the appointment and not making any rash decisions which might cost us.
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I am ashamed of myself but i am starting to come round to the idea of Roy Keane! I am aware i am possibly in the minority of 1!
I was thinking about this yesterday before it emerged he had gone up to 2nd favourite and his people have commented on it but i think he could be a good appointment.
He did a good job at Sunderland, got them up, kept them up, and then the next season it went a bit wrong but the 2 years before that he did very well. Ipswich was awful but he also said after he went with the best intentions but for the wrong reasons and it was a big mistake he learnt from and he rushed to get back into management. Also most managers including Lambert (Wycombe), Rodgers (Reading), AVB (Chelsea) even Roy at Liverpool have some sort of blip on their CV.
I also saw he said that the next job he had he would wait for, thats usual management speak i know but he said if he didn’t work again its because the right job didn’t come up.
I cant help but think he would come in with a point to prove, he probably knows his next job will make or break him management wise, he has the respect worldwide over as a ‘name’ and if he has learnt from his mistakes he could be a good appointment. He also only had 2 jobs but has not done the rounds with numerous clubs but he has experience of worldwide football as well premiership management.
Are you his agent?
I can see your reasons and the way you have laid them out puts in a good argument for him.
I always think that when a manager has been out as long a he has it's for a reason.
They dont need the pressure but have probably got fed up of sitting about at home so just take a punt at another job to occupy their minds, same as Curbishly. They've lost the hunger.
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AVB wouldn't "drop" to our level, I'm pretty sure. He sees himself as a "Euromanager", so he'll go off to the continent to lick his wounds and rebuild his reputation.
what level - 4 places lower in the league than Chelsea?
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I am ashamed of myself but i am starting to come round to the idea of Roy Keane! I am aware i am possibly in the minority of 1!
I was thinking about this yesterday before it emerged he had gone up to 2nd favourite and his people have commented on it but i think he could be a good appointment.
He did a good job at Sunderland, got them up, kept them up, and then the next season it went a bit wrong but the 2 years before that he did very well. Ipswich was awful but he also said after he went with the best intentions but for the wrong reasons and it was a big mistake he learnt from and he rushed to get back into management. Also most managers including Lambert (Wycombe), Rodgers (Reading), AVB (Chelsea) even Roy at Liverpool have some sort of blip on their CV.
I also saw he said that the next job he had he would wait for, thats usual management speak i know but he said if he didn’t work again its because the right job didn’t come up.
I cant help but think he would come in with a point to prove, he probably knows his next job will make or break him management wise, he has the respect worldwide over as a ‘name’ and if he has learnt from his mistakes he could be a good appointment. He also only had 2 jobs but has not done the rounds with numerous clubs but he has experience of worldwide football as well premiership management.
Keane now 2nd favourite with many bookies. He has a mixed career as manager partial success at Sunderland abject failure at Ipswich. In both cases he had a big turnover of players and a few well publicised bust ups not our cup of tea I would guess
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what level - 4 places lower in the league than Chelsea?
Massive difference between us and Chelsea.
AVB can wait patiently and some foreign club will look at him, if Liverpool don't do first. Unfortunately, we're in no position to appoint AVB. A team which are in Europe, have a bigger transfer budget and could offer him a better wage are all at the front of the Que. He's a highly rated manager whose at the start of his managerial career, he'll learn a lot from his Chelsea failure and will look to correct that with a big powerhouse club.
We, in my opinion, could offer him nothing in terms of career progression apart from some mid table solidarity.
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I would personally be sick to see keane as our manager. The guy is a complete tw#t and he would give us a bad reputation. NO TO KEANE
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AVB is, to me, in the same position as Roy when he came to us, slightly tarnished with the bigger Premier clubs. Perfect fit on a two year deal with us in order to prove doubters wrong at a club with lower expectations and rebuild reputation.
As regards him and Chelsea he was undoubtedly carrying out Abramovich's plans to cull an ageing squad but just went about it too quickly. I wouldn't lay the communication problem purely at his door, the senior pro's there knew there time was coming to an end and this with the need for results forced him out. I don't see the same rebellious characters at our place. My fingers remain crossed.
I've kind of sent my reply to Godemwingie, rather than yourself so apologies.
I agree with what you say about Chelsea, he was obviously not liked by the ego's and they were probably the ones which got him sacked. However, I can't agree that AVB and Roy Hodgson are in a similar position. When Hodgson took over here, he need a quick opportunity to get back into football and resurrect his chances of managing England. Successfully he kept us up, and then lead us to two mid table finishes. He did his job for us, but also saves his England ambitions. This will be more than likely Roy's last job in football management.
However, AVB is at the start of his managerial career, granted he's had a failure at Chelsea, but he has the time on his hands to wait patiently for a much bigger club than ourselves with greater finances to come and appoint him. There are some bigger clubs in Europe (including Liverpool) which would jump at the chance of appointing AVB and therefore that weakens any hope we have. In my opinion, all we can offer AVB is a couple of years of mid table solidarity. We've perhaps reached our peak. He'd be carrying on the good work Roy had started. Had we been in a relegation fight, then we might have different circumstances on our hand, but I can't see anything would persuade AVB to come because in all likeliness, we're not getting into Europe, and we probably won't win a trophy any time soon.
If we do appoint AVB (a shock it will be), I'll happily allow you to choose my lottery numbers.
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Keane not interested
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2012/05/17/roy-keane-not-keen-on-albion-job/
a blessing ;D
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Although AVB is a highly unlikely appointment, I dont think he is out of our league.
Its clear from the Liverpool situation he's hardly wanted by the Liverpool fans and is already drifting in the odds. Bar tradition and being, lets be honest 'a big club', it still is a club that only finished 2 places above us with 5 more points. If this is the case and he's not wanted at Liverpool, where else is he going to be wanted in England?
I understand he can go abroad and try his trade at a top European club in some uncompetitive league but if he wanted to manage in England it's going to be hard for him to get a job at somewhere 'big', if he's not been considered by clubs like Liverpool or Villa.
The thing that makes us unattractive is the fact we don't have tens of millions to spend and are unlikely to get European future in the immediate future.
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Chris Hughton will not move to WBA.
You heard it here first.
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Chris Hughton will not move to WBA.
You heard it here first.
Neither will Martinez by the looks of it
West Brom's quest to find a new boss continues.
Roberto Martinez of Wigan remains very much on Albion’s radar.
Latics owner Dave Whelan intends keeping him – unless Liverpool come in.
Whelan has warned Albion, and Villa, they have no chance of luring him away from the DW Stadium.
“I know there is talk of him going to West Brom and talk of him going to Aston Villa but I don’t think he will go anywhere like that,” said Whelan.
“I believe we will keep him. There are much, much bigger clubs than Aston Villa and West Brom about. I’m resigned to losing him but not just yet.
“Liverpool is such a wonderful club and it’s a club I’ve always had great respect for – it is the type of club Roberto will go to in the end.”
Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/17/roberto-martinez-won-t-move-to-west-brom-or-aston-villa-dave-whelan-97319-30989404/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#ixzz1v81ZGUgr
Cant say I'm disappointed about that though!
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I would personally be sick to see keane as our manager. The guy is a complete tw#t and he would give us a bad reputation. NO TO KEANE
A massive ditto. No way do i want this man in charge
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Thanks LiamtheBaggie, no need for an apology. The point I made about Roy and AVB being in a similar position was regarding bigger Premier clubs. Roy certainly wasn't going to get a big club offer again and I don't believe AVB will either until he has proved himself capable in the Premier league. Moving abroad is a different matter and I agree he would be able to coach abroad with a top club with bigger and better names/players. If it comes off I will happily put your lottery numbers on with my winnings. :D
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No Hughton eh?!
Care to add any depth to this, without gettign yourself or anyone else into trouble. Is it a case of us going elsewhere, or him not wanting the job?
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An earlier quote re Roy Keane:
"I cant help but think he would come in with a point to prove, he probably knows his next job will make or break him management wise"
He's right - it will break him. He is a sh*t manager with awful man-management skills and with no decent track record. Unfortunately, in the process of "breaking him" we would probably get relegated. Why the hell would we take that risk ?
He shouldn't even be on a shortlist of 50 for this job. Would rather have Souness, Reid, O'Leary, or McCarthy than that tool. Not even McLeish though.
At this rate we are going to end up with potato-head Bruce.....maybe Appleton is ready after all. I would take him over all of the above names.
Bottom line is that if we pay £3m a year we can have more or less whoever we like. If we pay peanuts to get somebody who is unproven or just sh*t, then after relegation we will have wished that we had paid a premium to get a good manager.
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Chris Hughton will not move to WBA.
You heard it here first.
Really? Why do you say that?
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Any thoughts on Steve Clarke?
Probably going to be surplus at Liverpool now.
An excellent coach by all accounts.
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Massive difference between us and Chelsea.
AVB can wait patiently and some foreign club will look at him, if Liverpool don't do first. Unfortunately, we're in no position to appoint AVB. A team which are in Europe, have a bigger transfer budget and could offer him a better wage are all at the front of the Que. He's a highly rated manager whose at the start of his managerial career, he'll learn a lot from his Chelsea failure and will look to correct that with a big powerhouse club.
We, in my opinion, could offer him nothing in terms of career progression apart from some mid table solidarity.
our last managers have done really poorly at career progression.... ones England manager and the other is managing a team in the champions league final and won an fa cup - i think for AVB or any manager we are a good stepping stone to improving careers. Will a big club look at AVB after Chelsea? has he got something to prove in the premiership?
If any manager wants a challenge and to improve themselves as part of a quality organised set up that doesn't throw money at a problem then we are ideal.
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Any thoughts on Steve Clarke?
Probably going to be surplus at Liverpool now.
An excellent coach by all accounts.
He resigned yesterday after Dalglish was sacked.
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Neither will Martinez by the looks of it
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/17/roberto-martinez-won-t-move-to-west-brom-or-aston-villa-dave-whelan-97319-30989404/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Cant say I'm disappointed about that though!
"there are much, much bigger clubs than aston villa"
Not to stick up for the villa but i'd say "much, much" is a bit far fetched, there aren't many.
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Not sure about Steve Clarke, long term assistant manager or coach if he really wanted to be a number 1 somewhere he could have found a club in the lower leagues. There are some people who are not cut out to be the Head Coach - Pat Rice Brian Kidd and David Platt spring to mind. Either they know and never try or try fail and retreat to the number 2 spot at a big club.
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I tell you what if i was Keanes agent he would of annoyed me now! Ruling himself out! Two weeks ago i would of been dead against him but not sure if as i have seen that many names i am just starting to convince myself, although he does have positives!
Regarding Hughton, i actually never claim to be in the know as i know nobody at Albion but i did get told by somebody who i know at Blues last night that Hughton wont be coming, he has no reason to be biased as he is an Albion fan! I dont know if we dont want him or he doesnt want it or its all a load of rubbish and he will come but he seemed quite sure that Hughton is at Blues next season.
Bring back Bobby Gould.
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Carlos querios
Bernd Schuster
Carlos querios
Micheal laudrap
Jean tigana
Glenn hoddle
Guy roux
Morton Olsen
Christ Coleman
Non of these in the betting , any plausible?
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Carlos querios
Bernd Schuster
Carlos querios
Micheal laudrap
Jean tigana
Glenn hoddle
Guy roux
Morton Olsen
Christ Coleman
Non of these in the betting , any plausible?
I have a few opinions about Mr Coleman but I have never put him on that pedestal!
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I have a few opinions about Mr Coleman but I have never put him on that pedestal!
Well if we don't sign foster he can certainly save :D :D
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Peace needs to pull his finger out!
If we don't act soon, we're going to have Mick McCarthy snatched from under our noses by the Vile.
It's not good enough!
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The more I think about it the more I like the idea of Ray Wilkins - an excellent coach who has also managed at this level.
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Peace needs to pull his finger out!
If we don't act soon, we're going to have Mick McCarthy snatched from under our noses by the Vile.
It's not good enough!
I love our fans, never more than a minute from meltdown.
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Hoddle & Wilkins. Go get them jeremy
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our last managers have done really poorly at career progression.... ones England manager and the other is managing a team in the champions league final and won an fa cup - i think for AVB or any manager we are a good stepping stone to improving careers. Will a big club look at AVB after Chelsea? has he got something to prove in the premiership?
If any manager wants a challenge and to improve themselves as part of a quality organised set up that doesn't throw money at a problem then we are ideal.
Roy Hodgson had an impressive CV before he joined the club. After his failure at Liverpool he needed to get back into football to give him any chance of becoming the England boss. Fortunately, his quality prevailed and he lead us to two mid table finishes and he eventually became England boss. I do think Di Matteo has got lucky with the position he has found himself in to be quite honest. He was installed as Chelsea assistant manager before taking the regins off AVB. He's also aided by a very good coach in Newton, and the fact that the pool of players at Chelsea are far superior to ours. Had he not been given the opportunity at Chelsea, I would hazard a guess that he would be potentially still out of work.
The problem facing AVB if he joined us is what could he do? We can't get into Europe with our finances and winning a trophy appears quite far stretched. All we could hope for is a succession of midtable finishes and would that be enough for a big vulture to come and give him a chance? The way he stands, he's still an impressive coach and several clubs in Europe with bigger resources than ours would snap at the chance to take him.
We, in my opinion, got lucky with our appointment of Roy as it was the correct appointment for both parties at the time.
Also, your last point. Managers quite often fancy a challenge and where a challenge is available, its usually backed by money. We don't have a budget which would attract those higher tier of managers. We as fans think we're ideal, but the reality is those higher tier managers don't and thats because we can't offer them the budget to take us further.
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Peace needs to pull his finger out!
If we don't act soon, we're going to have Mick McCarthy snatched from under our noses by the Vile.
It's not good enough!
Is this serious or are you trying to wind people up?
'Good things come to those who wait'.
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Is this serious or are you trying to wind people up?
'Good things come to those who wait'.
I'm amazed people dont recognise sarchasm when they see it !
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I'm amazed people dont recognise sarchasm when they see it !
I initally took it has a mixture of sarcasm and seriousness :D
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Is this serious or are you trying to wind people up?
'Good things come to those who wait'.
Great looking forward to getting muffin the mule for xmas. ;)
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Those people who even mention AVB in the same breath as our next manager need to get real. Firstly he is taking a sabbatical, but even if he wasnt there is absolutely zilch chance of him coming to us - we are way too small. I think the same goes for Ranieri. I know we have had a couple of good seasons but that does not make us remotely attractive to that level of manager. Hopes of some people on this board are way too high imo.
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I think some fans on here are selling us a bit short, I don't believe we are as big an attraction as some teams but I reckon the way we have been progressing over the last few years & the fantastic way the club is run will not have been lost on prospective managers/coaches.
After all our last 2 managers haven't done too bad for themselves have they? & if any supposed 'big club' managers fancied taking on a brilliant project then I think they could do a lot worse then come to the Albion.
So lets not write anyone off, its like a self fulfilling prophecy, if you think & act small time you will always be considered small time.
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The problem is that there is a critical shortage of good managers about. It wouldn't surprise me if we have started to look overseas at this point, since the interesting British managers already have jobs and/or most likely will be head hunted by the Villas and Liverpools.
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Ok Timdon I'm one of those who
believe there's a hope in AVB coming. I also believe, in my opinion, that it is a realistic shout. I've outlined why. I certainly don't base the opinion on the past two years, I've been going since 1973 , so I've seen the reality of the club over those years. So who should we be aiming for in your opinion?
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Mods, is there any way of maybe resting the poll? Might be a good idea to see how people would vote now; considering the change in candidates situations mentioned.
I read up on Michael Laudrup this afternoon and his background is really impressive, however he is hardly even featuring in the betting.
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I wasnt saying that we are small time, just too small for the likes of AVB. I think we will be attractive to any manager outside the top tier (ie those with clubs, or who have recently left clubs, in the European competitions). However, that means one of:
An up and coming coach (Appleton, McInnes, Poyet etc}
A more experienced coach who has done well at Championship level and preferably at Premiership level (Hughton, Holloway etc}
A good coach from abroad who wants the challenge of a stable Premiership club (????)
AVB and Ranieri have both sampled life near the top of the Premiership, and the European football that comes with it, so it would be a big step down for them to coach West Brom. I agree that we are a good project, but just not THAT good.
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I wasnt saying that we are small time, just too small for the likes of AVB. I think we will be attractive to any manager outside the top tier (ie those with clubs, or who have recently left clubs, in the European competitions). However, that means one of:
An up and coming coach (Appleton, McInnes, Poyet etc}
A more experienced coach who has done well at Championship level and preferably at Premiership level (Hughton, Holloway etc}
A good coach from abroad who wants the challenge of a stable Premiership club (????)
AVB and Ranieri have both sampled life near the top of the Premiership, and the European football that comes with it, so it would be a big step down for them to coach West Brom. I agree that we are a good project, but just not THAT good.
Who in Europe attracts anyone?
The only names I know of and can think that are available are the likes of Michael Laudrup and Ralf Rangnick.
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Hearing Martinez has been given permission to speak to Liverpool. Possibly just part of the process but if they offer him the job that rules us out.
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Dave whelan confirmed liverpool have approached wigan.
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I recall after he was sacked AVBs previous chairman said he had warned him off going to Chelsea as he wasn't ready for the pressures of the top of the Premiership. Bearing this in mind he either goes back to Europe with the hope that a top job comes up in the next couple of years or he drops down a Premier level (IMO we're in this bracket) keeps a steady ship over the next couple of years and earns a top job. I believe keeping us steady over the next couple of years equals success in the short term. I honestly believe we can be good for one another, I believe it is a realistic hope that he comes.
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Please can someone tell me what the biggie is with Martinez??
If King Kenny got sacked at Christmas would Martinez be approached then? There would be outrage from the Liverpool fans approaching a Manager whose side is bottom of the league.
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Please can someone tell me what the biggie is with Martinez??
If King Kenny got sacked at Christmas would Martinez be approached then? There would be outrage from the Liverpool fans.
i agree, i like him. but he has proven nothing yet
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If Martinez gets the Liverpool job I hope we've played them twice before March because that's a guaranteed six points.
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'Good things come to those who wait'.
I don't think that's true when it comes to football - 'strike while the iron's hot'! :D
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We've talked about Albion making a surprise 'rabbit out of the hat' appointment; well the Vile could be about to make one themselves. From BBC website@
Former Manchester United striker Ole Gunnar Solskjaer emerges as the favourite to become the next Aston Villa manager. Solskjaer's odds have plummeted today with bookmakers across the country, coming in to around 6-4 from 25-1.
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I don't think that's true when it comes to football - 'strike while the iron's hot'! :D
What I meant by it was if we rush into an appointment, we could end up potentially regretting it if a a better profile manager comes along. Say for instance, if we rushed and appointed Appleton, and then both Hughton and Lambert resign from there jobs a week later, I'd be gutted we never held back for a while.
Potentially, Wigan, Albion & Villa all looking for new managers.
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After watching this compilation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlPnFywMFhk) Ive made my mind up! Laudrup!
I guess because I have only been watching football for the last 10 years or so I missed out on this guy, but wow! Would certainly fit with the exciting attacking philosophy at Albion.
Does anyone think he has/ or will even be interviewed?
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can see ole gunner solskjear going to villa now, apparently lerner has flew out to norway to speak to him
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Avram Grant leaving Partizan at the end of the season...
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Got talksport on these liverpool fans should realise theyre an average team, only have european place through, what are liverpool fan labelled it to me; the mickey mouse cup. This season they have become the club i disuise most. Always going on about Hillsborough
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Avram Grant leaving Partizan at the end of the season...
Just no to Agent Grant.
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What I meant by it was if we rush into an appointment, we could end up potentially regretting it if a a better profile manager comes along. Say for instance, if we rushed and appointed Appleton, and then both Hughton and Lambert resign from there jobs a week later, I'd be gutted we never held back for a while.
My point is that we shouldn't be waiting for anyone to resign. According to the club, we are always monitoring managers so that we'd be able to act swiftly and decisively in the event that we need to appoint one. That being the case, we should know who we would want on our shortlist and sh should be proactively trying to arrange an interview for them. Many of those who favoured Martinez might be disappointed tonight that we never seemingly made a move for him during the past couple of weeks.
Sometimes we seem to sit about monitoring situations and waiting for things to happen when we should be the ones taking the initiative. Maybe we are in advanced negotiations with someone, but news usually leaks out in such circumstances.
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can see ole gunner solskjear going to villa now, apparently lerner has flew out to norway to speak to him
According to interviews in Norwegian media Ole Gunnar himself says he will stay with Molde. This is the fourth PL club linked to Solskær this spring (Blackburn, Portsmouth and Wolves and now Villa). Personally I think it's just the bookies that like to harvest a few bucks.
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Let's stay on topic. This thread is about the next Albion head coach, not the delusions of Liverpool fans. ;)
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After watching this compilation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlPnFywMFhk) Ive made my mind up! Laudrup!
I guess because I have only been watching football for the last 10 years or so I missed out on this guy, but wow! Would certainly fit with the exciting attacking philosophy at Albion.
Does anyone think he has/ or will even be interviewed?
Where Hughton would be a solid appointment Laudrup would be an exciting one. Could teach our players a trick or two as when he played he was one of the best players in the world
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I am ashamed of myself but i am starting to come round to the idea of Roy Keane! I am aware i am possibly in the minority of 1!
If one has to be ashamed of wild speculation on a fan sport forum, we're all doomed. :D I'll see your Roy Keane, and raise you one Kenny Dalglish.
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Where Hughton would be a solid appointment Laudrup would be an exciting one. Could teach our players a trick or two as when he played he was one of the best players in the world
Dalglish and Hoddle were also great players -it counts for absolutely nothing as a manager. A different skill set altogether !
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Dalglish and Hoddle were also great players -it counts for absolutely nothing as a manager. A different skill set altogether !
Laudrups already managed though and done well, at Brondby and Getafe.
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Those people who even mention AVB in the same breath as our next manager need to get real. Firstly he is taking a sabbatical, but even if he wasnt there is absolutely zilch chance of him coming to us - we are way too small. ...
Getting real is no fun. As much as the image of AVB's trenchcoated self at Albion makes me think of a siamese cat on a wolf hunt, I beg to differ: small in what way? Too small in smugness? Too tiny in timidity? He's a losing coach who can't speak English football. He'd be lucky to have us.
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Dalglish and Hoddle were also great players -it counts for absolutely nothing as a manager. A different skill set altogether !
Dalglish has a 54% record as manager. That's "managery" enough for me.
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As much as I cant stand the bloke you cant argue with Dalglish manager record, wouldnt want that bloke anywhere near my club though.
I really really havent got a clue, the names being knocked around dont excite me basically because there not as good as Roy, and the ones that do excite me and are on par or better than Roy are unrealistic in my opinion
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i'm holding out for laudrup too!
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Laudrups already managed though and done well, at Brondby and Getafe.
Who? Not exactly big clubs are they?
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Dalglish has a 54% record as manager. That's "managery" enough for me.
Er....mzch lower than that this season so that average was achieved a decade ago! A bit too long ago to be relevant.
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Exactly.. Hes done well with average clubs ! Which is what he would need to do with us
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Who? Not exactly big clubs are they?
So our next managers got to have come from a big club has he? Look through our history, a lot of our most successful managers came from smaller clubs
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Er....mzch lower than that this season so that average was achieved a decade ago! A bit too long ago to be relevant.
its not just the clubs he's managed (and done very well with) he has been linked with vacancies like chelsea before. granted they didnt come off, but it shows the calibre of manager we are looking at with laudrup. and there doesnt seem to be a great deal of interest in him, go get him!!
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As much as I cant stand the bloke you cant argue with Dalglish manager record, wouldnt want that bloke anywhere near my club though.
I wouldn't mind him at all, as long as he comes chastened and having learnt a lesson about not tolerating racism. The Suarez affair is big part of what got him sacked, IMHO. It's a stain, but I'm all for seeing people rehabilitated, too.
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So our next managers got to have come from a big club has he? Look through our history, a lot of our most successful managers came from smaller clubs
Good point.
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Who? Not exactly big clubs are they?
That's the sort of comment I'd expect to see from a Villa or Liverpool fan. Getafe and Brondby are mid-level European clubs that are Europa League regulars, not exactly small. What do you expect? Ex-Barcelona and Madrid managers?
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Michael Laudrup is an excelent suggestion, out of contract (JP will like), experience at top level and with a strugggling Mallorca side, I would be quite excited by his appointment. :)
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That's the sort of comment I'd expect to see from a Villa or Liverpool fan. Getafe and Brondby are mid-level European clubs that are Europa League regulars, not exactly small. What do you expect? Ex-Barcelona and Madrid managers?
Yep - fair comment. I got that wrong.
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I really really havent got a clue, the names being knocked around dont excite me basically because they are not as good as Roy, and the ones that do excite me and are on par or better than Roy are unrealistic in my opinion
Totally agree with that comment 100%. I feel exactly the same
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I would personally be sick to see keane as our manager. The guy is a complete tw#t and he would give us a bad reputation. NO TO KEANE
completey agree with that dont want any ex mancs been down that road before :( >:(
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completey agree with that dont want any ex mancs been down that road before :( >:(
suppose that rules out Solskjaer as well then? ::)
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Giles was a ex manc , think its fair to say he did a reasonable job ;)
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All gone quiet on the western front, Lepkowski said it would heat up towards the end of this week so i just wonder if somethings going on hush hush in the Albion way. If i remember correctly it all went quiet before Hodgson got the job.
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Anyone think that Lee Clark is a serious contender. 9/2 with Labrokes now
Did very very well at Huddersfield but probably too inexperienced???
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I dont like the idea of somebody not even experienced at championship level let alone premiership
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I dont like the idea of somebody not even experienced at championship level let alone premiership
We had RDM from MK Dons so it is a road we have been down before, I know we were in the Championship at the time but I think we looked at the potential in him, personally I think we will go down the experienced road again as it worked with Roy and the inexperienced road didnt exactly work out with RDM, just my humble opinion of course.
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We had RDM from MK Dons so it is a road we have been down before, I know we were in the Championship at the time but I think we looked at the potential in him, personally I think we will go down the experienced road again as it worked with Roy and the inexperienced road didnt exactly work out with RDM, just my humble opinion of course.
Good point there, both points. I've been off work quite a bit this week and constantly listening to talksport and on this website im getting a bit impatient but i guess thats why i dont work in football!
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Hughtons gone further in front with the bookies today for what its worth. 10/11 although im starting to thinking the bookies odds means very little
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Anyone think that Lee Clark is a serious contender. 9/2 with Labrokes now
Did very very well at Huddersfield but probably too inexperienced???
I don't think he will be in contention although granted he did a good job at Huddersfield. However, his reputation inside the game has been seriously tarnished by some of his practices and the way he treated people at Huddersfield in all areas and levels of the football club. His personality is Megson-esque to the extreme and is probably the reason why no one has touched him yet despite his good record. Someone who scrutinises as thoroughly as Ashworth does will be well aware of this, hence why I don't think he will be considered.
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Lee Clarke a big NO. He would not command any respect from most of our superstar players, a little like AVB at Chelski
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Apparently Brendan Rogers has turned down the opportunity to speak to Liverpool. Obviously saving himself for us :P
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does anyone think we might be waiting until after the play off game to see if holloway fancies the job?
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does anyone think we might be waiting until after the play off game to see if holloway fancies the job?
Now that would float my boat and the 50 few others that voted for him
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does anyone think we might be waiting until after the play off game to see if holloway fancies the job?
Hope not
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Hope not
Hope so :D
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does anyone think we might be waiting until after the play off game to see if holloway fancies the job?
Gung-ho attacking football, coupled with a sieve like defensive set up would be very entertaining to watch. But we'd probably get relegated!
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Id say there is a 99% chance we would get relegated
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Chaos.http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2012/05/18/chris-hughton-riddle-as-blues-are-in-turmoil/
West Brom were today eyeing developments at Birmingham after a fresh financial setback cast further doubt on Chris Hughton’s St Andrew’s future.
Reports today claimed Blues’ parent company has again delayed releasing its accounts to the Hong Kong stock exchange despite predicting they would be published this week.
And that is certain to prompt increased uncertainty over the future of Baggies head coach candidate Hughton.
The former Newcastle chief is among the leading names on the list of contenders for the Hawthorns hot-seat having failed narrowly to land the position 16 months ago.
And increasing behind-the-scenes turmoil at the Championship club is unlikely to help Blues’ hopes of convincing the 53-year-old his future lies with them.
Hughton is known to be happy at Birmingham and feels a loyalty to the club that offered him a return to management last summer following his controversial sacking by Newcastle.
He is conscious, however, that with a transfer embargo in place while the Birmingham International Holdings’ accounts remain outstanding, his ability to build on this season’s run to the play-offs could be limited.
Sources close to the former Tottenham man have intimated he would at least be keen to listen to an approach from Albion.
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With all the big names being branded around, and knowing for a fact we've spoken to ranieri and jol, I'd be a little disappointed with hughton IMHO.
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With all the big names being branded around, and knowing for a fact we've spoken to ranieri and jol, I'd be a little disappointed with hughton IMHO.
Some sources say we have had contact with AVB too
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Some sources say we have had contact with AVB too
Not heard the AVB one but il find out that too.
Like I say, with contact of all these big names, I'd be disappointed with hughton IMO.
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When did we speak to JOL? Now if he came to the Baggies what a manager he would be for us. Some of you may not agree but football is all about oppions and as my missus says I am always right.
I think it was just prelim talks, not formal interview. Scoping the field so to speak..
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I think it was just prelim talks, not formal interview. Scoping the field so to speak..
To be fair i dont see why Jol would leave Fulham to come to us unless he dont get on with the owner
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Hope so :D
Well he does have 100% record in the premier league................1 season 1 relegation!! almost McCleishesque!!!
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My sources say AVB has been spoken to today. Odds from 14/1 dropping rapidly.
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My sources say AVB has been spoken to today. Odds from 14/1 dropping rapidly.
Thats what i heard too.What do you think now timdon
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I would be pleased with AVB
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I don't want to extinguish any bonfires with urine, but we have absolutely no chance of hiring AVB - I suppose we can dream though. ;D
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So now I appear to be in the real world with my talk of AVB. Fingers still crossed.
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I don't want to extinguish any bonfires with urine, but we have absolutely no chance of hiring AVB - I suppose we can dream though. ;D
Hold fire on your suggestion, why no chance.He would have eliminated us straight away without even thinking about talking with our representatives, on good authority he has
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Hold fire on your suggestion, why no chance.He would have eliminated us straight away without even thinking about talking with our representatives, on good authority he has
Stop trying to get my hopes up :P. Hughton will be our next head coach.
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Stop trying to get my hopes up :P. Hughton will be our next head coach.
I dont suspect he will become our manager but there has been contact.I am with you we will get Hughton and that will please a huge following
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AVB's odds on betfair don't really suggest there's too much in it. I seriously doubt we'd pay his wages or if he'd see us as a good project. I think if he ends up anywhere in England, it'll be the Liverpool job.
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Bar SkyBet, AVB is the only name in the top 10 who's odds are shortening. Maybe he has been talked to today.
(http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager)
Anybody know why SkyBet are the only bookmaker to be offering odds on Laudrup?
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Hughton was only ever mentioned as favourite so that bigger targets demands wouldn't be extortionate so I hear.
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AVB's odds on betfair don't really suggest there's too much in it. I seriously doubt we'd pay his wages or if he'd see us as a good project. I think if he ends up anywhere in England, it'll be the Liverpool job.
Yes indeed. He seems constitutionally ill-suited for West Brom on so many levels, and I would be utterly shocked if he took a job here. Just not logical. He's a continental aristocratic who spent time with an internationally famous "prestige" club in a world capital. Can we really see him going from Kings Road to High Street West Brom? What's he going to do? Pop by the Money Shop for a payday loan?
I think it would seem too big of a risk to him, also, and he's in need of a confidence-booster at this stage, isn't he? He will almost surely be headed back to continental football, where he can lick his wounds in a more familiar world. Were he to actively campaign for the West Brom job, my respect for AVB would shoot up sky-high, but he seems too cerebral and detached a figure to indicate such an enthusiasm. He's an aristocrat, after all.
If by some insane turn of events AVB got the job, I'd of course be behind him 1,000% and desperately excited (as well as a little perplexed).
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I dont see where AVB suits us either. Cant see it happening because of wages, transfer budget and the role of head coach I doubt would particularly suit him.
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I dont suspect he will become our manager but there has been contact.I am with you we will get Hughton and that will please a huge following
This newly reported financial turmoil at BirmCity gives Hughton a much more elegant and ethically palatable way to exit. He's absolved of loyalty questions if he's facing a financial straitjacket. That's good news for us.
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Bar SkyBet, AVB is the only name in the top 10 who's odds are shortening. Maybe he has been talked to today.
(http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager)
Anybody know why SkyBet are the only bookmaker to be offering odds on Laudrup?
People probably asked for odd's to be put up. He's on betfair now as well. I imagine people are betting on him through hope rather than anything being in it.
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I know it is taking its time to appoint a new manager, and I have faith we will get the right man, I just hope we don't end up with Avram Grant. He hasn't signed a new contract with Partizan and i'm sure he would want the job. Still, thats my mini worry over with.
Anyways, Come on Jezza put a smile on our faces! :)
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I dont actually think it will be AVB for numerous reasons, however i dont think its impossible.
He was very complimentary about Albion in both games last season and if he wants to work in England again (not saying he does) none of the big boys would touch him at the moment i dont think, i would include Liverpool in that too.
AVB had 6 months in England which turned out to be poor, if he thinks he needs to prove a point in this country then he will probably have to manage a lesser club, and as we are the only ones looking at the moment (as Villa look like they have Solskjaer) we may be an option if thats what he wants to do.
He may do a Roy, couple of years, build his reputation up then a Arsenal or Spurs job come up and he goes there.
As i say i think unlikely but you never know!
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Am I being blind, I cant see anywhere which states we have spoken to Jol for a fact, yet people are mentioning we have
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At last Albion79, that's exactly what I've been trying to say but perhaps less eloquently.
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I dont actually think it will be AVB for numerous reasons, however i dont think its impossible.
He was very complimentary about Albion in both games last season and if he wants to work in England again (not saying he does) none of the big boys would touch him at the moment i dont think, i would include Liverpool in that too.
AVB had 6 months in England which turned out to be poor, if he thinks he needs to prove a point in this country then he will probably have to manage a lesser club, and as we are the only ones looking at the moment (as Villa look like they have Solskjaer) we may be an option if thats what he wants to do.
He may do a Roy, couple of years, build his reputation up then a Arsenal or Spurs job come up and he goes there.
As i say i think unlikely but you never know!
After all these years we have finally become a feeder club, albeit solely with managers !! ;D
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My sources say AVB has been spoken to today. Odds from 14/1 dropping rapidly.
I am always very suspicious of people who join a forum and then only post "in the know" rumours.
I dont see why Villas Boas would come to Albion. He had won 4 trophy's in one season this time last year. One poor spell at Chelsea wont stop him getting a top at a title challenger in Europe and he would be much better off doing that instead of going to a club who's aim is to finish 10th place.
Of course it isnt impossible, but unless we get some genuine news that suggests otherwise, I dont think we should be talking seriously about Andre Villas boas.
For those interested, Dalglish is shorter odds. So is Lee Clark - sacked by a league 1 club.
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I have a feeling we're going to get Lambert.
Not based on any sort of knowledge, just got a feeling.
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Interesting talk in the locals tonight about Hughton. Birmingham have suffered another set back with their finances having still not revealed their figures and "sources close to" Hughton are now saying he would at least like the chance to speak to Albion.
I wouldnt bother betting on anybody else until he is ruled out.
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For those interested, Dalglish is shorter odds. So is Lee Clark - sacked by a league 1 club.
I am still looking for a good explanation as to why Kenny Dalglish isn't just about a perfect choice. I'm American, so I admit I have no depth when it comes to the English "soccer's" season-end managerial circus and player history, but I have yet to see any compelling, logical reasons for why he WOULDN'T be attracted. Can someone help me out here, reveal the blind spot I'm missing????? To me, the big blotch is the Suarez affair, but that doesn't seem insurmountable. Apologies in advance if there's some obvious facts I'm completely clueless about.
Perhaps I need to acquire some handy "sources" and all will be revealed. :P
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I have to say I really do like the quiet talk from Peace and Ashworth. I've heard that all players or future managers in this situation have to sign a non-disclosed agreement. Basically it means not to talk to media. Remember how days after Mick went from W*lves, Moxey and Morgan started talking to the papers and made headlines in the Express & Star about getting Steve Bruce or Curbishley as next manager. It's ironic how they've now appointed an unknown loke from Norway! :P
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Regarding Dalglish, I think he's the most vile manager I've seen in years. Personality wise I'd rather have Roy Keane or Mark Hughes. Basically, I think most neutrals agree with me that Dalglish is a bit of a scumbag. I just couldn't bring myself to support such an egotistical, arrogant, bitter manager.
Besides, I think he is dated as a manager. His bizarre transfers and team selection lost him many points last year. Every time Liverpool marginally lost out on points he always had an excuse, which if you're around the relegation zone is the last thing you want - a manager with a severe ego complex. I think most of the problem with Liverpool was that he simply didn't have a proper striker, which was his fault as he should have bought one in, and he chose Downing over Mata in the window. All these things add up and ultimately he suffered with points. It's no surprise that he under performed with Liverpool who should have got top 6 minimum. Imagine if he under performed with us...we'd be relegated.
For me, he is a big NO.
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Thats what i heard too.What do you think now timdon
I think the same. Behave yourself, it aint going to happen :D :D
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Regarding Dalglish, I think he's the most vile manager I've seen in years. ... Dalglish is a bit of a scumbag. I just couldn't bring myself to support such an egotistical, arrogant, bitter manager.
I appreciate strong stands. LOL. Anyway, your explanation makes a great deal of sense to me. Cheers.
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I have to say I really do like the quiet talk from Peace and Ashworth. I've heard that all players or future managers in this situation have to sign a non-disclosed agreement. Basically it means not to talk to media. Remember how days after Mick went from W*lves, Moxey and Morgan started talking to the papers and made headlines in the Express & Star about getting Steve Bruce or Curbishley as next manager. It's ironic how they've now appointed an unknown loke from Norway! :P
Why would you sign a non-disclosure agreement? It looks as though they've interviewed every man & his dog, can't see everybody signing one. In any case Ranyeri & Roy Keane have already admitted they've been interviewed.
TBH I think they're looking for the perfect candidate, & he just aint there.
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We don't seem to be in much of a rush compared to Villa and 'Pool !!!!!
Let's hope we don't end up competing with Wigan or Norwich as well for a manager as time ticks away and no news about approaching another club yet................
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I appreciate strong stands. LOL. Anyway, your explanation makes a great deal of sense to me. Cheers.
No problem, his interviews show how deluded he was. However, I also mentioned his footballing/on the pitch reasons which aren't good enough.
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Why would you sign a non-disclosure agreement? It looks as though they've interviewed every man & his dog, can't see everybody signing one. In any case Ranyeri & Roy Keane have already admitted they've been interviewed.
TBH I think they're looking for the perfect candidate, & he just aint there.
Are you sure? His agent doesnt think so.
Kennedy said: “I’m not aware of anything happening. Roy is doing his TV work at present and I think he is enjoying that for the moment.”
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AlbionBest, they are rushing because they have nothing to lose, if they fail, then it's not like the last manager would do much better. We have the opposite problem. We are in a great position and are overachieving where we expected to be. If we don't make the right move, then it's all for nothing.
Patience is required in this scenario
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JP out ;D. Just joking. Seriously I think were hear more in the next few days on the next "head coach" we just need to be patient 8)
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I've just seen Water Smith in the betting for the first time and got a bad feeling it's going to be him.
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In an ideal world you would look to replace Roy Hodgson with someone better, but how do you improve on a coach that's been appointed England Manager?
IMO our target next season should once again be to retain our premier league status. There are a number of candidates out there who can do that for us. We just need to get on with appointing somebody.
There are a number of player issues that need resolving, plus the aquisition of players for next season. Already Southampton & Reading are starting to improve their squads, & Blackpool/WHU will start from tomorrow.
Patience my a*rse let's get on with it otherwise we'll get left behind.
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I dont want dalglish anywhere near us
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In an ideal world you would look to replace Roy Hodgson with someone better, but how do you improve on a coach that's been appointed England Manager?
IMO our target next season should once again be to retain our premier league status. There are a number of candidates out there who can do that for us. We just need to get on with appointing somebody.
There are a number of player issues that need resolving, plus the aquisition of players for next season. Already Southampton & Reading are starting to improve their squads, & Blackpool/WHU will start from tomorrow.
Patience my a*rse let's get on with it otherwise we'll get left behind.
All very well but what if your chosen candidate is in a job and under contract? he cant just simply hand his car keys in at the front desk and jump in a taxi. last time i looked they were getting on with the job at hand.
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Looks like Villa are serious about going after Solkjaer. The rich guy financing/sponsoring Molde has spit out his dummy and threatened to withdraw his support for the club if Solkjaer leaves.
Solkjaer himself says there has been a lot of interest in him from other Premier League and Championship clubs, but he went to the meeting with Aston Villa to 'to get acquainted the club and the owner'.
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2 weeks Sunday since the news broke is surely enough for a shortlist to have been drawn up(if required).Interviews should surely start begining of nextg week appointment in a weeks time at the latest in my book,anything else smacks of indecision or split board!!
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the more i read about michael laudrup the more i get impressed by him. hopefully someone we are looking to at least talk to
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All very well but what if your chosen candidate is in a job and under contract? he cant just simply hand his car keys in at the front desk and jump in a taxi. last time i looked they were getting on with the job at hand.
They have'nt even asked to speak to anybody yet, & it does'nt have to be someone in a job. How do you know they're getting on with the job in hand?
It really depends on what your target is, if you're looking for the perfect replacement for RH, then yes it will take a long time, but I would argue that what we need is a manager that will keep us in the prem for another season (whoever we get will only be here for a short tenure anyway), & there are a number of candidates who could do that, some who are currently not in managerial positions at the moment.
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Why would our next manager only be here for a 'short tenure'?
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Devastated it looks like The Villa might grab O.G.S. I don't mean this in a really negative way but the more I think about it, the more I see Appleton returning.
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Devastated it looks like The Villa might grab O.G.S. I don't mean this in a really negative way but the more I think about it, the more I see Appleton returning.
Would be ridiculous if he returned, I just can't see it happening for another few years. Peace is usually spot-on with his appointments, so I seriously doubt he'd pick Appleton.
I have nothing against Appleton, I wish him well and perhaps one day he will be good enough to manage here. However, he's very un-tested right now. Give him a full season at least. We may as well give it to Downing if being a manager is all about 'knowing the club'.
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2 weeks Sunday since the news broke is surely enough for a shortlist to have been drawn up(if required).Interviews should surely start begining of nextg week appointment in a weeks time at the latest in my book,anything else smacks of indecision or split board!!
It's the end of the season. Everyone is holiday. Obviously movement will be slow. And even then I think you're being spoilt by the necessary quickness of the Hodgson appointment, the club has plenty of time to play with over this to fully go over all options.
It's the same with the transfer market when we'll have everyone moaning on the 3rd of July that we haven't signed everybody.
Besides you don't even know if interviews have started. Hodgson and in particular RDM were employed with basically no prior media knowledge.
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I'd like to see Ronald Koeman approached. He's just got Feyenoord into second place in the Dutch league after many years in the wilderness and was voted Dutch Coach of the Year. He has international experience and I think he has the right character to connect with British players. Of the other Dutch coaches, Gertjan Verbeek at AZ Alkmaar has done a very good job, but he might find it difficult outside his Dutch comfort zone.
I think AVB comes across poorly. He gabbles too much and doesn't seem to have a sense of humour. I can understand why he didn't make much impression with the Chelsea players. Ranieri was a far more likeable bloke and might still want to prove something in this country.
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I'd like to see Ronald Koeman approached. He's just got Feyenoord into second place in the Dutch league after many years in the wilderness and was voted Dutch Coach of the Year. He has international experience and I think he has the right character to connect with British players. Of the other Dutch coaches, Gertjan Verbeek at AZ Alkmaar has done a very good job, but he might find it difficult outside his Dutch comfort zone.
I think AVB comes across poorly. He gabbles too much and doesn't seem to have a sense of humour. I can understand why he didn't make much impression with the Chelsea players. Ranieri was a far more likeable bloke and might still want to prove something in this country.
Just a little cameo to this Ronald Koeman and his brother made their names at Michelin (don't know correct spelling) in Belgium. They then went onto greater things, Ronald scoring winner for Barc at Wembley against Parma I think but anyway. John Talbut our centre half in 68, played for Micheline and then became their manager. Who knows, wheels within wheels?
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Looks like it's going to be Hughton;
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/19/wba-to-make-a-move-for-birmingham-city-boss-chris-hughton-within-7-days-97319-30999630/
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Not surprising in the least. There just doesn't seem to be a lot of options going atm and Hughton apparently was well liked by the Albion people before Hodgson came into the picture.
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Why would our next manager only be here for a 'short tenure'?
History & apart from SAF, AW & David Moyes, how many EPL Managers have been in situ for longer then 3 years?
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I would be happy with hughton, good coach, but is he the name that will convince olson and foster to stay with the albion and can he attract players?
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Looks like it's going to be Hughton;
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/19/wba-to-make-a-move-for-birmingham-city-boss-chris-hughton-within-7-days-97319-30999630/
I think it has been Hughton all along and why the club haven't moved for anyone else.Didn't it break in one of the papers that Albion would wait a respectful amount of time before approaching Blues?
Hughton has been reported as being keen to talk to us.
I am sure we have a short list of candidates if Hughton doesn't come,remember how we got RDM and indeed Roy?
Hughton would be fine with me.
Lets face it any manager is a gamble,especially ones like OGS and Salty Bacon.
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Finally! Now we need to get him in before other clubs become manager-less
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I would be happy with hughton, good coach, but is he the name that will convince olson and foster to stay with the albion and can he attract players?
I'm not at all convince with Hughton in the slightest. I think it just shows a strong lack of ambition on the club's behalf.
Jonas WILL leave this summer if Hughton is appointed, I don't think this will affect Foster though.
I don't see his time in the Premier League as anything but underwhelming, and not convinced about Birmingham this season.
The board seem to have done little since appointing Hodgson if they're going back to their second choice from back then. It just shows that the club are happy to remain the poor relations behind clubs like Villa and even Wigan.
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I would be happy with hughton, good coach, but is he the name that will convince olson and foster to stay with the albion and can he attract players?
It does not matter who the next coach is for the most part with regard to player recruitment. A player making in a decision about is influenced by money, level that the club is operating at and what are his chances of a regular starting place are all ahead of the Head Coach.
In the specific cases of Olsson and Foster I do not think Hughton's appointment will make the slightest bit of difference. Olsson is putting himself in the shop window at the Euro's in a hope to get an attractive offer from a better club than ourselves and he was going to do that when Hodgson was here and looked likely to stay. Foster will sign if he does because he likes the club and it allows him to continue to live in Leamington whereas any other potential move would mean he would have to uproot his family.
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I'm pretty underwhelmed and frankly a touch disappointed by Hughton, I remember him being outclassed by Di Matteo every single time we played Newcastle. His last game at Newcastle when we beat them 3-1 Newcastle looked just awful and I'm not convinced where they were heading under him. I think we could do better but also admit we could do worse, I do believe however we will be involved in a relegation battle next season under him.
I don't think this is the ambitious step Olsson was after so expect to lose him and also think Morrison will feel the same after his outburst earlier in the season. Foster, who knows, we'll annoy Blues with this approach so expect them to play hardball unless we give them some bargaining chips.
Despite all I've said above I'll back Hughton to the hilt, I'm Albion through and through whether Jose Mourinho is in charge or Bryan Robson is in charge.
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Hughton would be underwhelming in my opinion.
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Would hughton be a disapointment to some fans cause we have been linked with ranieri or avb? who are above hughton in terms of being a name
Id be really pleased with hughton who seems the large majoritys favourite for the job.
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I think people are being very tough on Hughton here for me hes quite an exciting appointment he did well at Newcastle and shouldnt have been sacked. He has twenty years as a coach and 4 years as a manager and with Birmingham he has performed miracles considering the financial plight they found themselves in.
Its important we get a coach rather than an out and out manager and he fits the bill perfectly. I think people have got slightly carried away with some of the potentially unrealistic names being linked.
We should appoint a manager that benefits this club not Jonas Olsson.
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Hughton ticks a lot of boxes.First and foremost he is available,he can work on a budget and get the best out of average players.
At Newcastle and Blues he had to lose a few stars but still put in a decent showing.
Blues have had a long season,they were in Europe too,and the play offs were a game too many.
Ranieri has only worked with clubs with money and good players,RDM is better at Chelsea than with us,OGS has had about 15months as a manager in an inferior league.
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Quite a few seem underwhelmed by Hughton and yet hes running away with the poll.
Hes not my choice Holloway is but at least Hughton i feel will help keep the consolidation process going.
The way i see it at the Albion is the longer we stay in this league the better chance we become more attractive for a billionaire.
Don't get me wrong Peace has done a stirling job with his resources but he is the poorest chairman in this division so hughton i feel is closest to keeping the Hodgson brand ticking along, not an unknown like OGS
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Giles was a ex manc , think its fair to say he did a reasonable job ;)
only the first time when player/manager
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The way i see it at the Albion is the longer we stay in this league the better chance we become more attractive for a billionaire.
Exactly...... the last thing we would want :(
At least now we are run as a business not as someones toy
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Exactly...... the last thing we would want :(
At least now we are run as a business not as someones toy
I am afraid if we want to become more competitive long term we might need a toy man, hopefully he supports the Albion too
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I'm pretty underwhelmed and frankly a touch disappointed by Hughton, I remember him being outclassed by Di Matteo every single time we played Newcastle. His last game at Newcastle when we beat them 3-1 Newcastle looked just awful and I'm not convinced where they were heading under him. I think we could do better but also admit we could do worse, I do believe however we will be involved in a relegation battle next season under him.
I don't think this is the ambitious step Olsson was after so expect to lose him and also think Morrison will feel the same after his outburst earlier in the season. Foster, who knows, we'll annoy Blues with this approach so expect them to play hardball unless we give them some bargaining chips.
Despite all I've said above I'll back Hughton to the hilt, I'm Albion through and through whether Jose Mourinho is in charge or Bryan Robson is in charge.
I do not think you can draw too many conclusions about Chris Hughton on the basis of one or two poor Newcastle performances at the Hawthorns
We played badly in all our games against Swansea Norwich and Wigan this season amassing 4 points and being knocked out of the cup in the process. Therefore can we conclude Hodgson is a terrible manager and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the England job? Most WBA supporters would agree with the first part of the statement but would not agree with the conclusion.
I would look at what Hughton has achieved in difficult circumstances and hope that he can deliver the goods given a stable working environment where he can focus on getting the best out of the players.
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All this rubbish about so called names could they have done this season what Hughton as done for blues this season I don't think so
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Honestly cannot believe some of the stick that Hughton is already getting on here, just because he isn't a big name doesn't mean he's going to fail! A lot of our fans really need to get real the links with AVB and others are stuff of dreams really and are NEVER going to happen.
Hughton has been the only man for the job IMO since Roy left the guy has done absolute wonders with blues this year and can work within the constraints of our club and will be given my absolute full backing if appointed.
Give the bloke a chance.
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All this rubbish about so called names could they have done this season what Hughton as done for blues this season I don't think so
Most of the big names would not have touched Blues with a barge pole some unemployed big names would seem to be happier to sit at home counting their compensation money than take on a tough job at Birmingham or Wolves.
I do not get the excitement that surrounds OSG it seems to be a far riskier appointment than Hughton. Maybe it is a symptom of celebrity culture where media profile matters more than solid achievement working with players.
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I think since the news the last two days that Blues are in more financial trouble and have delayed their accounts (again) things have swung in our favour about Hughton. Its not 100% accurate but i was told midweek by a good Blues source that Hughton was likely to stay out of loyalty, since it now appears they really are up s**t creek i think things have changed.
I think Albion have played it well if Hughton is the one, if Blues had come out and said there money was sorted they were minted and Hughton wanted to stay loyal then we didn’t run the risk of a Championship manager rejecting us (which could of put off other potential managers) we have waited and now it seems Blues are struggling we can probably attract him.
I also like the fact we don’t make our business public, its frustrating as fans but the club know what they are doing, the last 3 appointments have all come out the blue and usually when Albion make it public they are in for somebody (player or manager) its a smokescreen for somebody else. I think we are quite respectful we don’t conduct our business in the media, Dave Whelan annoys me when he does it.
As an example for all we know we may of made an approach for say Lambert but JP don’t go on Sky or Talksport about it, 2 reasons - 1) out of respect for Norwich, if it goes public we had and they had agreed to let us talk, Norwich fans would be in uproar that there manager is basically available to not just top clubs (arguably a sideways move anyway) and 2) if the manager didn’t fit the bill, we haven’t let it known to the public we were in anyway, it means we could interview numerous managers and keep our options open. Liverpool have declared publically they want to interview 12, thats upto them but they should be more respectful of clubs managers they want to speak to as if the manager don’t get the job there he has to go back to his own club and then ask the supporters, players, etc to stay loyal to the club when it was known he was looking at going elsewhere!
Ideally we would like to keep Olsson and Foster but as somebody said, the club is bigger than them. I think as much as Olsson respected Hodgson i think there will be a number of other factors which help his decision, players like managers, they all liked RDM but they soon liked Roy too so i cant see it been the be all and end all when he decides his next move. As for Foster, i think the biggest obstacle we will have is the transfer fee, not if he likes the new manager!
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Anyone who expected a big-name of Ranieri, AVB etc is living in another world to be fair, why would they come here ?
Hughton is a highly respected coach who did an excellent job at Newcastle under difficult circumstances and has done just as good a job at blues under again difficult circumstances and having to rebuild an entire defence (except 1 player).
If players do not want to stay due to the new managerial appointment then its a case of bye thanks for being here and good luck in the future and the question of is this an excuse for moving anyhow has to be asked.
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I have to admit, I voted for Hughton and rafa in the poll, BUT that was before we had spoken to ranieri, AVB and jol. After speaking to them, I can't help but think that hughton is a step backwards, a second choice so to speak.
It's like a rich man, wanting a car, not having enough for a Ferrari so buys a Peugeot 206.
Still, if it does turn out to be hughton, I will back him, get behind him and the team, like I've always done for the Albion. But part of me still hopes that we will land a 'big name' on the same scale as Roy was.
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Hughton has always been the stand out candidate for me, ticks all the boxes. He's got plenty of experience behind him as a coach at top clubs and now has the experience needed as the main man in charge. As I said earlier in the thread I don't care who they are as long as they are the best man for the job and in my opinion I think he will be should we get him.
If any players use it as an excuse not to sign a new contract without taking the time to work with them then that is all it is an excuse and not a very good one at that.
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Problem with big names who are out of work is that especially at this time of year they will be reluctant to commit to a club like us as there will be clubs all over Europe who will consider changing managers for one reason or another and the likes of AVB and Ranieri will be high on their lists. We can't wait until August to see whats left for us to choose from. Hughton if it is him is someone who knows the Premier League well and was close to the job last time.
Jol I just cannot see why he would leave Fulham to come here so for me a total non-starter.
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Hughton would be underwhelming in my opinion.
Hugely Agree...I aint got my season ticket yet? I dont think this will convince me much!
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Problem with big names who are out of work is that especially at this time of year they will be reluctant to commit to a club like us as there will be clubs all over Europe who will consider changing managers for one reason or another and the likes of AVB and Ranieri will be high on their lists. We can't wait until August to see whats left for us to choose from. Hughton if it is him is someone who knows the Premier League well and was close to the job last time.
Jol I just cannot see why he would leave Fulham to come here so for me a total non-starter.
I agree with everything there mate.
But what I meant was If the club is sending out clear signals of the type of boss they want, by interviewing those big names, then I see chris as a last resort. If the club wanted chris and only chris, then surely they wouldn't interview 6/7 candidates first, they'd make him their first priority, then if he turns it down, go interview others.
Although I feel if he comes it will help foster to make his mind up.
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Hugely Agree...I aint got my season ticket yet? I dont think this will convince me much!
You get a season ticket just to see a manager? Wow your different. Season tickets are about seeing your beloved team playing football, regardless of who is boss. And whoever is boss, get behind them, because they'll need everyone's support.
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Hughton has done well considering the financial problems surrounding the club. However he has a squad there with a lot of Premiership experience. Any manager worth their salt would be expected to get that squad into a play off place in a league made up of some very average sides.
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We dont know if any of these candidates have been interviewed rumours are some have been 'spoken to' and thats as far as it went.
Considering Hughton was interviewed 18 months ago and also that Blues were in the play offs so we didnt want to disturb them its feasible he was top of our list and we have been waiting for Blues season to finish.
Im not usually so harsh but those who wont have a season ticket if we appoint Hughton are better off not being there.
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Im not usually so harsh but those who wont have a season ticket if we appoint Hughton are better off not being there.
Spot on. Brilliantly put mate!
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Hughton has done well considering the financial problems surrounding the club. However he has a squad there with a lot of Premiership experience. Any manager worth their salt would be expected to get that squad into a play off place in a league made up of some very average sides.
Who In the current blues squad has lots of premiership experience, other than Davies?
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Hugely Agree...I aint got my season ticket yet? I dont think this will convince me much!
Who did you vote for in the poll? I voted for Holloway but i have to say i think Hughton is possibly our safest bet to continue Roys good work. I will buy a season ticket whoever is in charge and i travel from Devon for everygame
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Who In the current blues squad has lots of premiership experience, other than Davies?
Myhill, Carr, Murphy, Caldwell, King, Zigic, Fahey, Spector, Ramage all have Prem experience.
Add Ibanez and Ridgewell who was there for half a season. That lot must average 50 Prem games between them. Compare that to the other sides in there.
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Who In the current blues squad has lots of premiership experience, other than Davies?
Zigic, King, Myhill, Carr, Ibanez, Murphy, Spector, Elliot, Fahey, Caldwell...hardly lacking is it?
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i'm not a STH but if i was i wouldn't not buy one because Hughton was appointed. Just feel a bit underwhelmed.
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You get a season ticket just to see a manager? Wow your different. Season tickets are about seeing your beloved team playing football, regardless of who is boss. And whoever is boss, get behind them, because they'll need everyone's support.
Money is tight, If Roy was in charge i would have got one. He didnt make me nervous and to be honest didnt ruin to many weekends!
If we got Hughton in then i could only see us struggling and to be frank i dont think he would push us forward.
He might prove me wrong if he comes in, but when 500quid could be spent elsewhere then i think who we get in as manager really dose has an impact on how i feel and many other fans feel!
Who did you vote for in the poll? I voted for Holloway but i have to say i think Hughton is possibly our safest bet to continue Roys good work. I will buy a season ticket whoever is in charge and i travel from Devon for everygame
On the list above the only manager who would be a good forward progression was Benitez, so i voted for him. Not going to happen, but i will be only happy with a manager who reaches the same qaulity experiance and knowledge of Roy!
To be thats Ranreri or maybe AVB but even he is not that experianced!
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Hughton is the sensible choice. To me he is the perfect fit at this current time in the clubs history. Has been my choice from the start.
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Hughton is the sensible choice. To me he is the perfect fit at this current time in the clubs history. Has been my choice from the start.
But you would agree its a step backwards from Roy?
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Well yes, pretty much any manager is going to be a step backwards from Roy. I think circumstances were very kind to us to allow us to get Hodgson in the first place and it looks like there is not going to be a manager available for another Roy type coup this time.
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Hes the cheap option! Basically!
In My Opionion, it shows a lack of Ambition from the club. He wasnt good enough before when we interview him, and now we have progressed as a club and become more established what makes him more suitable than last time!
Hes not the best we can get, and most fans know that so why are the fans behind having Hughton as manager!
I just dont get it!
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I have to admit, I voted for Hughton and rafa in the poll, BUT that was before we had spoken to ranieri, AVB and jol. After speaking to them, I can't help but think that hughton is a step backwards, a second choice so to speak.
It's like a rich man, wanting a car, not having enough for a Ferrari so buys a Peugeot 206.
Still, if it does turn out to be hughton, I will back him, get behind him and the team, like I've always done for the Albion. But part of me still hopes that we will land a 'big name' on the same scale as Roy was.
I think you need to change that sentence o "before we, the fans, spoke about those managers".
Jol and AVB WERE NEVER COMING and WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED!!!. They were concoctions of an over active imagination. Jol FFS! Yeah he was going to leave Fulham, above us in the table, regular top 10 club with better players, more ambitious summer plans and more money. Yeah he would come because we have more fans. Oh wait, they get better attendances than us nowadays. He will still come though.
AVB - this time last year the most talked about manager in the world. One bad spell at Chelsea and he all of sudden wants to take on a relegation battle in the premier league and not wait for a job in a country where he could challenge for the title (I guarantee his next job will be at a title challenger).
Ronald Koeman maybe, managing Feyernoord - one of the biggest names in Europe. A man who has never managed a club not challenging for champions league football. Much too big a name.
Michael Laudrup - who wont leave the Mediterranean unless you are offering big Rubles.
Im sorry to ran, but people really have got carried away these last few weeks. You need to all have a reality check and realise that we are a club who aim to finish 10th place and maybe get lucky in a cup without really trying. The new manager has to work on about the 15th-16th lowest budget in the league and is expected to get that to 10th place.
We wanted Martinez and considered Lambert but I think the club have realised both see us as a sideways step. Both local papers have said in the last few days Martinez has hinted he is not interested to the club. Ranieri was interviewed but he has thrown his name in every hat the last few weeks. He is currently trying to get the Fiorentina job. When the Viola fans found out, they started to protest. If a mid table club in Italy's fans are protesting about him, then why should we want him?
We were always going to be looking at a younger manager. Ole Gunner Solskjaer is a name but only has 2 seasons as a head coach - the same as Hughton. Villa are a bigger pull than us and if they are going for a manager with no experience then what choice do we have?
Hughton isnt a bad choice. He isnt exciting and he isnt a name to sign players but, reality check, players dont care about names nowadays. It's all about money - how many names did Robson attract? What Hughton has is a lot of experience and in his first 2 jobs he has taken a Newcastle side in disarray back to the premier league and left them in mid table. He then took over a Birmingam side in a similar position, selling all of their players and at the start of the season, using Chris Wood and Adam Rooney up front and managed to get them throguh a European campaign and into the play offs of the championship. 60 plus games with a threadbare squad for half a season and they still nearly got promotion. He is a playing it safe appointment. Ill be happy enough.
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But you would agree its a step backwards from Roy?
Whilst we finished in a great position again this season, few could argue that a number of our performances this season (some in games where we got good results) were pretty dire, so I don't think Hughton would be a step backwards really. Not to belittle his achievements, but I think Hodgson has achieved hero status from where we finished rather than the performances which got us there (particularly at home). I think people have been getting rather carried away over the big names who have been linked with the post (more on here than in the media it must be said) and, realistically, none of them were ever going to come to Albion.
People talk about how badly Newcastle played against us in the Championship promotion season. I don't think anything can be inferred from that - they won 30 and only lost 4 that season, both scoring more and conceding fewer than anyone else, easily winning the title by 11 points. If you remember, they had a lot of trials and tribulations then, not that dissimilar to Blues, so what he's achieved with both clubs is impressive and I think he deserves a chance with a club which has a more stable platform to work from.
If he is our No. 1 target, let's go and get him and not dither around any longer.
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Hes the cheap option! Basically!
In My Opionion, it shows a lack of Ambition from the club. He wasnt good enough before when we interview him, and now we have progressed as a club and become more established what makes him more suitable than last time!
Hes not the best we can get, and most fans know that so why are the fans behind having Hughton as manager!
I just dont get it!
Who else were we really going to get! Jesus we've always done things on the cheap it's not going to change now! Look at examples of other clubs Chelsea spending 19 million on just simply buying out a manager who lasted 8 months and the seals down the road spending in all about 10 million on big eck! big money appointments don't usually work.
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Hes the cheap option! Basically!
In My Opionion, it shows a lack of Ambition from the club. He wasnt good enough before when we interview him, and now we have progressed as a club and become more established what makes him more suitable than last time!
Hes not the best we can get, and most fans know that so why are the fans behind having Hughton as manager!
I just dont get it!
Cheap option? Blues are going to fight tooth and nail to keep him. Their fans love him. We will have to pay a wedge of compensation to get him. He isnt the cheap option - merely the safe option.
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Whilst we finished in a great position again this season, few could argue that a numner of our performances this season (some in games where we got good results) were pretty dire, so I don't think Hughton would be a step backwards really. Not to belittle his achievements, but I think Hodgson has achieved hero status from where we finished rather than the performances which got us there (particularly at home). I think people have been getting rather carried away over the big names who have been linked with the post (more on here than in the media it must be said) and, realistically, none of them were ever going to come to Albion.
People talk about how badly Newcastle played against us in the Championship promotion season. I don't think anything can be inferred from that - they won 30 and only lost 4 that season, both scoring more and conceding fewer than anyone else, easily winning the title by 11 points. If you remember, they had a lot of trials and tribulations then, not that dissimilar to Blues, so what he's achieved with both clubs is impressive and I think he deserves a chance with a club which has a more stable platform to work from.
If he is our No. 1 target, let's go and get him and not dither around any longer.
Good post, I have never really bought into this Roy is the best we can ever get stuff, he was a very effective manager, but the football was dire at times and only occasionally exciting, I think his methods are actually quite dated.
I think we can move onwards with a new manager to better things, the halcyon days under Roy may then get some perspective.
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Cheap option? Blues are going to fight tooth and nail to keep him. Their fans love him. We will have to pay a wedge of compensation to get him. He isnt the cheap option - merely the safe option.
Would have preffered a "bigger name" but after watching the Albion for nearly 20 years I can gladly live with safe ..
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Whilst we finished in a great position again this season, few could argue that a numner of our performances this season (some in games where we got good results) were pretty dire, so I don't think Hughton would be a step backwards really. Not to belittle his achievements, but I think Hodgson has achieved hero status from where we finished rather than the performances which got us there (particularly at home). I think people have been getting rather carried away over the big names who have been linked with the post (more on here than in the media it must be said) and, realistically, none of them were ever going to come to Albion.
People talk about how badly Newcastle played against us in the Championship promotion season. I don't think anything can be inferred from that - they won 30 and only lost 4 that season, both scoring more and conceding fewer than anyone else, easily winning the title by 11 points. If you remember, they had a lot of trials and tribulations then, not that dissimilar to Blues, so what he's achieved with both clubs is impressive and I think he deserves a chance with a club which has a more stable platform to work from.
If he is our No. 1 target, let's go and get him and not dither around any longer.
Best post I've read all day a voice of reason at last.
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Whilst we finished in a great position again this season, few could argue that a numner of our performances this season (some in games where we got good results) were pretty dire, so I don't think Hughton would be a step backwards really. Not to belittle his achievements, but I think Hodgson has achieved hero status from where we finished rather than the performances which got us there (particularly at home). I think people have been getting rather carried away over the big names who have been linked with the post (more on here than in the media it must be said) and, realistically, none of them were ever going to come to Albion.
People talk about how badly Newcastle played against us in the Championship promotion season. I don't think anything can be inferred from that - they won 30 and only lost 4 that season, both scoring more and conceding fewer than anyone else, easily winning the title by 11 points. If you remember, they had a lot of trials and tribulations then, not that dissimilar to Blues, so what he's achieved with both clubs is impressive and I think he deserves a chance with a club which has a more stable platform to work from.
If he is our No. 1 target, let's go and get him and not dither around any longer.
Very well put indeed
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Hes not the best we can get, and most fans know that so why are the fans behind having Hughton as manager!
How do you know he isn't the best we can get based on the criteria our clubs hierarchy has set out? We can only judge them on their performance so have to appoint them and give them a chance first. A big name doesn't guarantee anything when it comes to their ability to do a job at this club which is clearly different to jobs the likes of AVB and Ranieri have done before. They have made him their #1 target for a reason and it isn't because he's going to be cheap because he isn't going to be.
Hughton ticks all the boxes for me and that is why I will be 100% behind him as our new manager should we get him.
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Hes the cheap option! Basically!
In My Opionion, it shows a lack of Ambition from the club. He wasnt good enough before when we interview him, and now we have progressed as a club and become more established what makes him more suitable than last time!
Hes not the best we can get, and most fans know that so why are the fans behind having Hughton as manager!
I just dont get it!
Hows it a cheap option we will have to pay compensation wheras the others people have mentioned are out of work.
Fans are behind the bloke because perhaps they see the bigger picture of continuity rather than some over inflated views of some fans of where we actually stand in the football hierachy.
You say he wasnt good enough before I would argue he was especially as Peace already said it wasnt until someone of Hodgsons calibre expressed an actual interest in working in our coaching system that we decided to move away from Hughton who by all accounts impressed alot.
Everton appointed Moyes in 2002 and I remember he was appointed over 'bigger' more attractive names.
Hughton has far more experience than Moyes did then so I can see why the club seem to have choosen to approach him to be our head coach.
Do you suggest we change our whole clubs structure to appoint a manager that in your mind is a bigger name.
Our neighbours in WV has always bowed to the fans pressure of wanting marque managers and players and look where its got them.
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If indeed CH does come i wont be too disappointed,he is a steady guy not too far away from Roy's style so we wont see major changes.Ive been impressed by the miracle he performed with Blues squad this season and the fact he managed difficult players well at Newcastle.People say we out played Newcastle twice under RDM.....who won the title that season?
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But you would agree its a step backwards from Roy?
To be fair any appointment would be,thats why Roy is England manager.
The names linked other than Hughton have either worked with money or are untried and untested.
Hughton is neither of those.
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OGS is available still...Not taking the Villa Job
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OGS is available still...Not taking the Villa Job
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We are lucky Chris Hughton wont be going to Villa thats for sure has for OGS i wouldnt trust a rookie
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OGS is available still...Not taking the Villa Job
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Again just a name, I have a feeling hes going to be a very good manager but to move from Molde to a Premier League job is a big step.
He could potentially be better here than Villa because we have that Sporting Director for him to work with but it would be a big gamble.
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CH did a great job with Newcastle, would have been our manager 16 months ago but for the availability of the current England manager (ffs) and got a penniless blues team to the play-offs and a decent European adventure.
What's not to like?
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For me i think that hughton would be a perfect fit for albion. What this club need to keep doing is to continue with the evolution and not appoint someone who wants revolution..(Like AVB at Chelsea). We need to be realist and continue to take the stepping stones that have put us in such a Strong position both on and off the pitch.
If we were to appoint ranieri or coaches of a similar ilk then they will want big cheque book and will want to sign big names, this could create huge problems in the future with the dressing room and the financial fair play rules that are soon to come in to effect.... remember We will be in a much stronger position when this happens because the "sugar daddy" owners will no longer be able to just throw endless money at players and wages...
I think that hughton will be able to pick up where Roy left off, we will have a good balance of attacking football (both newcastle and Birmingham have scored a lot of goals when he has been in charge) but also he has had them organised and tough to beat.
We have to be very careful what we wish for, if we were to appoint a high profile cheque book manager we could end up going backwards... look what has happened to the Vile since they hounded O'Neil out of the club because they thought they were bigger than they really are and 6th position in the league wasn't good enough
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As I understand it in recent years we start looking for our next manager as soon as we appoint a manager.
If this is the case why haven't we made an appointment to replace Roy as we have already had
over 3 weeks to do so.
What worries me that the longer we take the less choice we will have as we have already seen Villa and Liverpool enter the race.
We only have to look at us to see that players are now coming out of contract ie Andrews and Fulop and if we want to have first choice to sign this type of player we should appoint a new manager as soon as possible.
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I think some of our fans are suffering delusions of grandeur, we finished 10th but it could've been lower, we're a team aiming to finish 10th-15th and with a small budget. Nobody has concrete evidence we've spoken to Jol ( as someone else said, why would he leave Fulham?) and AVB. Ranieri was mentioned but is it realistic, and will WBA just be a stop gap for him - IMO yes. AVB, really?! It would be a huge fall from grace for him, and again, a stop gap for his career, we'd be the one step back before the two steps forward.
So Chris Hughton. I voted for him originally and i've stuck with that all along. Somebody likened it to a rich man buying a 206 when he could get a Ferrari but I'd say this club is more 206 than Ferrari, metaphorically, the 206 would be cheaper to run, very reliable, will last a long time, wont need to spend much money, cheap insurance, the Ferrari however will keep needing more money to run properly, will be expensive to insure, if things go wrong it could cause a lot of damage, before you know it you've got a 205 from 1985 as your money has all gone whilst the 206 owner has now upgraded.
I'm babbling, my point is, Hughton suits us, he may stay with us for a while, he's not a stop gap, he has a shed load of experience as a top flight coach and had two manager roles where he's done a fantastic job in hard circumstances. For me he represents steady progression for our club rather than jumping in and throwing all our money at AVB/Ranieri and then seeing it all go tits up and we're looking for a manager mid season when it will be a lot harder to find someone.
Hughton may not be progression from hodgson (who were very fortunate to get!) but that will be difficult with our budget. People mention Lambert/Rogers but they havent done a lot more than Hughton, a lot less maybe. OGS/Laudrup unproven at this level.
Hughtons a safe pair of hands, shows progression, may see this is his first steady project as a full-coach, offers experience and maybe easiest to convince over other potential suitors for the role.
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For me i think that hughton would be a perfect fit for albion. What this club need to keep doing is to continue with the evolution and not appoint someone who wants revolution..(Like AVB at Chelsea). We need to be realist and continue to take the stepping stones that have put us in such a Strong position both on and off the pitch.
If we were to appoint ranieri or coaches of a similar ilk then they will want big cheque book and will want to sign big names, this could create huge problems in the future with the dressing room and the financial fair play rules that are soon to come in to effect.... remember We will be in a much stronger position when this happens because the "sugar daddy" owners will no longer be able to just throw endless money at players and wages...
I think that hughton will be able to pick up where Roy left off, we will have a good balance of attacking football (both newcastle and Birmingham have scored a lot of goals when he has been in charge) but also he has had them organised and tough to beat.
We have to be very careful what we wish for, if we were to appoint a high profile cheque book manager we could end up going backwards... look what has happened to the Vile since they hounded O'Neil out of the club because they thought they were bigger than they really are and 6th position in the league wasn't good enough
Summed up what i posted at the exact same time with my car analogy!
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We're not really competing with Liverpool (martinez not good enough according to their fans) and Villa (big-name charlies - OGS). We are going about our business the way we go about our business and will make a sensible appointment soon. Until then, chill!
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I think most people would be happy with him (as shown by the poll). As with players you'll always get some people who expect more.
It's hardly surprising we have a vocal minority complaining, considering even the ridiculous links to AVB had some people complaining he wasn't good enough for us! These are the type of people that will genuinely never be pleased no matter who we get. They are also the type of people who moaned about Hodgson because he failed at Liverpool.
Of course any manager we get will be an initial step down - Hodgson just got appointed England manager due to his performance with the club! If we'd sacked him due to poor performance and then were looking at poorer managers, then fair enough with the complaining, but he was poached by England! There's essentially no one realistic who's a bigger name than him. Even Hodgson was unique circumstances in that he needed a job to get his name back in the frame for the England.
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A lot of the big "names" linked were purely mentioned because there was some punters who were prepared to put a few quid on even the most unlikely candidates like AVB. That is a million miles away from any of them being in the frame.
We would never have got Hodgson from Fulham and we were fortunate to pick him up on the rebound from Liverpool his appointment was a one off it was not establishing a new norm.
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Very very happy if we get Hughton, said all along. He was my preffered choice.
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Dan....I´m not so sure Hodgson was given the England job because of last seasons performance. I think it had more to do with the FA wanting an England coach, and their options were extremely limited. Realistically, it was either Roy....or an illiterate cockney media darling.
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We are renowned for running a very tight ship, we got very lucky with the appointment of Roy Hodgson due to the fact that he was out of work at the time, and we are very unlikely to be able to lure a Moyes, Jol, O'Neill, Hughes etc. to the Hawthorns whilst they are still in employment.
We are a mid table team, looking to get to 40 points as quickly as possible and trying to avoid a relegation battle.
In my view Chris Hughton fits the bill perfectly, more so than "bigger" names such as Solksjaer, Laudrup etc. who are unproven or have little experience at Premier League level.
Hughton gets my vote, a calm, intelligent, humble and diplomatic man, who has a good coaching/manergerial record and seems to get the best out of a group of good/average players.
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We do plan straight away Colin, but that does not mean we will appoint straight away. I think one thing that has emerged is that ideally we wanted to see if somebody like Martinez was available. Unfortunately, he seems to have caught the attention of Liverpool and is no longer a possible for us. Dont forget there are 2 parties in this - ourselves and the manager we try to appoint. I guess we approached Martinez early through unofficial means and his representatives told us to wait and they will get back to us. Now Liverpool are talking to us, he feels he can get a bigger club.
With Wigan and Norwich potentially looking for new managers this summer, the club might step up their search now and it appears they have with the latest news. I would imagine the approach for Hughton will be made this week and we will try to make it happen.
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CH did a great job with Newcastle, would have been our manager 16 months ago but for the availability of the current England manager (ffs) and got a penniless blues team to the play-offs and a decent European adventure.
What's not to like?
Neither of them clubs were in a comparable situation to ours now. Both were in a bit of disarray after relegation and needed someone to steady the ship. Birmingham still had some very good players.
We on the other hand aren't in disarray, in fact we have a very settled squad. Even though Newcastle were very harsh to sack him, they obviously didn't feel he was the right man once they had become relatively settled in the league and they were proven right.
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Neither of them clubs were in a comparable situation to ours now. Both were in a bit of disarray after relegation and needed someone to steady the ship. Birmingham still had some very good players.
We on the other hand aren't in disarray, in fact we have a very settled squad. Even though Newcastle were very harsh to sack him, they obviously didn't feel he was the right man once they had become relatively settled in the league and they were proven right.
You give Mike Ashley far too much credit. He bought in Kevin Keegan, Joe Kinnear, and Alan Shearer prior to Hughton. I'd hardly take him sacking him as an indicator of his quality. They finished the exact same position under Pardew as they were under Hughton when he was sacked.
Hughton is one of the best managers realistic to us. You'd think the Birmingham fans being gutted about the possibility of losing him would kind of be an indicator of that. Instead we have people deluded into thinking finishing 10th gives us a right to have the best managers in the world (and that's really no exaggeration given some of the names people still complain about).
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Hughton: excellent! He's a great fit for Albion.
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Time to go get Ollie ;)
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Time to go get Ollie ;)
Gunnar Gunnar? Or are you still banging on about Holloway? ;D
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I voted Hughton and Martinez.
Those who are unhappy with Hughton who would you have instead? Hughton is loved and respected by the fans at Newcastle and Blues, I think that should tell us something.
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Ian holloway odds are shortening , JP and Holloway working together ? Surely not :P
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Ian holloway odds are shortening , JP and Holloway working together ? Surely not :P
Considerably shortening, though he has just lost the play-off final, so its understandable.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager
Looks to be Hughton though, really the only name to of been consistently there at the top of the list.
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Anybody who wants Holloway obviously has a complete disregard for our Premiership status.
He's an underdog type manager, with an affinity for attacking and nothing else. Remember how we almost came back to draw from 3-0 down, with 9 men, at Blackpool 18 months ago?
No thanks. Couple more seasons of mid-table mediocrity will do me.
Step forward Chris Hughton.
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Oh, and the guy's a plonker.
We've built a professional reputation in recent years and Holloway, the clown, would trample all over that.
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Anybody who wants Holloway obviously has a complete disregard for our Premiership status.
He's an underdog type manager, with an affinity for attacking and nothing else. Remember how we almost came back to draw from 3-0 down, with 9 men, at Blackpool 18 months ago?
No thanks. Couple more seasons of mid-table mediocrity will do me.
Step forward Chris Hughton.
They also won at Liverpool and many other places , with a team that cost peanuts, playing entertaining football along the way, think they deserve credit for that.
If Holloway was to become our boss id be very surprised though.
Still Hughton for me.
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Holloway would have vastly better defenders, and players in general, to work with here.
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Holloway has done an incredibly job with Blackpool, that they got 39 points (which would keep you up virtually every year) on their budget was an incredible achievement. By far and away the lowest wage and transfer budget in the league. A real eye for a player - as shown this season where they've lost a load of their top players but got the likes of Ince in.
The defence whilst poor was largely as they had little money to improve it, the likes of Evatt have been since them since the days of league one.
I appreciate some people get put off by his quirky character, but when you consider it the resources he's worked with, the job he's done at Blackpool is a footballing miracle - criminally underrated as a manager I think.
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He's an underdog type manager, with an affinity for attacking and nothing else. Remember how we almost came back to draw from 3-0 down, with 9 men, at Blackpool 18 months ago?
No, because we were 2-0 down :P
Sorry, I'm a bit pedantic.
I like Holloway, but not for us.
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Paulo Sergio. ;)
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No, because we were 2-0 down :P
Sorry, I'm a bit pedantic.
I like Holloway, but not for us.
Good spot! My mistake!
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Holloway has done an incredibly job with Blackpool, that they got 39 points (which would keep you up virtually every year) on their budget was an incredible achievement. By far and away the lowest wage and transfer budget in the league. A real eye for a player - as shown this season where they've lost a load of their top players but got the likes of Ince in.
The defence whilst poor was largely as they had little money to improve it, the likes of Evatt have been since them since the days of league one.
I appreciate some people get put off by his quirky character, but when you consider it the resources he's worked with, the job he's done at Blackpool is a footballing miracle - criminally underrated as a manager I think.
its a pity he's a total bellend who believes people are interested in his pathetic , sad , emmbarrassing post matc h interviews
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They also won at Liverpool
so did Wolves ffs
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so did Wolves ffs
The only team that doesn't win at Liverpool is......Liverpool
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Holloway is a bell end of the highest order, hope he comes nowhere near our club. He needs to stick to the overachieving League 1 sides like Blackpool.
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Anybody who wants Holloway obviously has a complete disregard for our Premiership status.
He's an underdog type manager, with an affinity for attacking and nothing else. Remember how we almost came back to draw from 3-0 down, with 9 men, at Blackpool 18 months ago?
No thanks. Couple more seasons of mid-table mediocrity will do me.
Step forward Chris Hughton.
We were two nil down and lost the game 2-1. We were taking the urine with 9 men though... As the song went ;)
Wouldn't mind Holloway because most of all he is a good man. Has a disabled kid, does a lot of charity work, and for all the eccentricity he went away from football and studied on the continent and came back a successful man.
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If you want a manager for entertainment factor then by all means go for Holloway, but while we're there why don't we just pick up Mick McCarthy? He was pretty funny.
Thought not.
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If you want a manager for entertainment factor then by all means go for Holloway, but while we're there why don't we just pick up Mick McCarthy? He was pretty funny.
Thought not.
I respect Holloway for what he has done with Blackpool and I wouldn't hate to see him as manager for us. McCarthy has proven to lack imagination and is one of a multitude of limited 442 coaches that are out of work. Holloway at least has the intelligence to come up with something new.
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Slightly off topic but I have read Holloway's autobiogaphy. I thought it would have been a laugh a minute. It wssn't. He actually comes across as a very humble down to earth family man. I wouldn't fancy him here personally but some peoples comments of him are a bit disrespectful.
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I respect Holloway for what he has done with Blackpool and I wouldn't hate to see him as manager for us. McCarthy has proven to lack imagination and is one of a multitude of limited 442 coaches that are out of work. Holloway at least has the intelligence to come up with something new.
His apparent disregard for defence terrifies me. I'd be just as scared with either one as our boss!
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I'm disappointed with some of our fans to be honest and their reaction to Chris Hughton. To call him "cheap" is incredibly bizarre given the fact we will have to pay a compensation figure for him. Hughton was always the man lined up for the job, it just seemed such a perfect fit for both him and us. He'll have us organised and hopefully continue the job Roy has started. It would of been silly of the club to find a polar opposite to Roy meaning the work over the last 16 months or so would have gone to waste.
If people aren't going to renew because Hughton isn't the name they wanted then quite frankly, The Hawthorns will be better off without you. I really do think our 10Th place finish has got to the heads of some of our fans. We criticise Wolves and Villa for their delusions of grandeur but we're slowly heading into the same trap if we're not already there.
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Ollie Ollie Ollie oi oi oi.Deserves a chance at a bigger club.Football a pleasure to watch pre match and after match passionate man to listen to. Absolutely worked wonders with the resources he has, People go on about his defensive thinking, its improved.Similar footballing philosophy to Mr Mowbray i suppose
55 of us think so anyway
fortunately for those who call him a bellend you will probably get your wish him not becoming manager of West Bromwich Albion because i don't see him and Jeremy working together.
Hughton it will be.Not my choice,Lets get him in asap so he can carry on Roys good work
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I'm disappointed with some of our fans to be honest and their reaction to Chris Hughton. To call him "cheap" is incredibly bizarre given the fact we will have to pay a compensation figure for him. Hughton was always the man lined up for the job, it just seemed such a perfect fit for both him and us. He'll have us organised and hopefully continue the job Roy has started. It would of been silly of the club to find a polar opposite to Roy meaning the work over the last 16 months or so would have gone to waste.
If people aren't going to renew because Hughton isn't the name they wanted then quite frankly, The Hawthorns will be better off without you. I really do think our 10Th place finish has got to the heads of some of our fans. We criticise Wolves and Villa for their delusions of grandeur but we're slowly heading into the same trap if we're not already there.
You seem to be assuming it will be Hughton. :-\
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You seem to be assuming it will be Hughton. :-\
A good assumption to make considering its being reported we are going to make an approach soon.
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You seem to be assuming it will be Hughton. :-\
I assumed it was Hughton all along. It just seemed to be the perfect match. The likes of Ranieri, although flattering, didn't have the same feel to it. Likewise with someone like Ian Holloway, it would be a total polar opposite to Roy and I'm sure the club bared in mind that given what Roy has done for us over the last 16months it would be wise to follow those footsteps.
The fact he was also interviewed prior to Roy last season also leads me to think Hughton is not only the right man, but probably the man for the job. If we choose someone else, then I'll be surprised.
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Totally agree with Liam there. I think Hughton is the man for the job, although it isn't a dreamy appointment, i'm sure he will get the job done for us. When Roy announced he was leaving I though it would be Hughton especially if Birmingham lost to Blackpool in the Semi Final Play Off (Which I attended, supporting Blackpool of course!). I would have been over the moon with that appointment, but now all these 'huge' names have been linked with the vacancy, I can't help but feel underwhelmed. But I'm 99.832% sure Hughton would be the right figure for the job.
In Hughton we trust!
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I'd be happy with either Holloway or Hughton, both good managers in my opinion, and both with equal positives and negatives. Who ever comes in (out of these 2 ;D) will get my full support
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With one press report today suggesting that Blackburn's Steve Keane has been relieved of his managerial role the urgency for us to tie up the deal for the new manager has increased. There's now Liverpool, Vile, Blackburn and us looking for a new boss.
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Bookies seem to think it's a one horse race, i'm just worried if we don't get Hughton - say he feels as if he owes Birmingham the loyalty of one more season... just who will we go for? You've got Lee Clark who wasn't good enough for Huddersfield who've got the best striker in the lower leagues and a massive wage budget. Roy Keane who's proved to be a liability with quite awful spells at his last two clubs.. Holloway who plays for too openly for the premier league & would potentially be another Mowbray in the making. Others on the list include Appleton & Poyet who could be promising but have no PL experience. Just hope we bag Hughton as anyone else could be a disaster.
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With one press report today suggesting that Blackburn's Steve Keane has been relieved of his managerial role the urgency for us to tie up the deal for the new manager has increased. There's now Liverpool, Vile, Blackburn and us looking for a new boss.
That press report was also circulating last Thursday, Friday and yesterday. So it's nothing new. Although I agree we need to push on now.
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Hughton was always the man lined up for the job.
Oh, you work alongside DA and JP do you?
Rather a silly comment to make from a mod, especially on just a persumption.
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Oh, you work alongside DA and JP do you?
Rather a silly comment to make from a mod, especially on just a persumption.
He might be a nose tapper aswell ;D.
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Oh, you work alongside DA and JP do you?
Rather a silly comment to make from a mod, especially on just a persumption.
That is my opinion, yes.
As I said previously. There seems to be a suitable match between Hughton and the club. The match isn't there for the likes of Ian Holloway and Claudio Ranieri etc. Hughton will do well working within a budget and our structure and has a similar style to Roy Hodgson allowing him to continue the work Roy has started. A move for Holloway or Martinez in my opinion, would be a polar opposite to Roy and could possibly ruin the hard work Roy started. Plus, to my understanding he wasn't far off the job last time before we turned our attentions to Roy.
We were bound to look at other managers such as Paul Lambert etc, however, in my opinion, the man we would have looked for would always have been Chris Hughton due to his similarities with Roy, his ability to work under a budget, and the fact he won't "rock the boat".
He might be a nose tapper aswell ;D.
Nope, I'm certainly not a nose tapper :D
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I think it's been pretty obvious for a while that Hughton is the man we want, although I find it baffling that it's taken us this long to prepare an official approach. We should have made the approach the morning after Blackpool knocked them out of the playoffs.
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With one press report today suggesting that Blackburn's Steve Keane has been relieved of his managerial role the urgency for us to tie up the deal for the new manager has increased. There's now Liverpool, Vile, Blackburn and us looking for a new boss.
Not sure we will be bothered by Blackburn. Any self respecting manager would side-step that basket-case of a club.
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Not sure we will be bothered by Blackburn. Any self respecting manager would side-step that basket-case of a club.
I hope you're right. Same goes for Villa, maybe Lerner will scare potential bosses away.
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Oh, you work alongside DA and JP do you?
Rather a silly comment to make from a mod, especially on just a persumption.
I dont follow, why does being a mod mean you cant have an opinion?
Liam feels Hughton was the man they were looking at. Seeing as he has been the favourite from the start with the bookmakers (minus a small spell where Raneri had made it public he had talks), I dont think it is a silly comment to make at all.
Of course we have considered other managers, and I think this is the reason we have waited before approaching Hughton, just in case another bigger name becomes available, but if as expected we make our move for Hughton in the next few days, I think it can be taken as granted that he was always the most likely to be the person the board would go for because he is more available than Martinez.
I dont se anything "silly" in believing that. The only thing silly is genuinely believing we might get AVB!
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So to put me out of my misery then, did we not have contact with AVB's people last week?
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So to put me out of my misery then, did we not have contact with AVB's people last week?
We might have done the only people who for certain are Dan Ashworth and AVB's agent and they aren't saying anything so your guess is as good as mine. Looking at AVB's profile and our profile as a club it looks an unlikely match.
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We can all speculate what is and what has or hasn't happened but its often in the recent case of the club to pull something out of the blue. I think we all know we wouldn't be too shocked to see Hughton approached and appointed next week but I would be equally unsurprised if we do appoint someone obscure as what the Wolves did.
Also I think there's no harm in speculation on here, its a forum isnt it? So I dont know why people are having ago at each other for it.
I'm sure Ashworth and Peace have got a good idea who they want.
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I'm certainly clinging to the rabbit out of the hat appointment. But only because I've had a tenner on AVB at Ladbrokes :D
I will not be disappointed in a CH appointment.
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Not sure we will be bothered by Blackburn. Any self respecting manager would side-step that basket-case of a club.
I believe you meant `that chicken-in-a-basket case of a club´, didn´t you? ;)
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www.please-stay-hughton.com
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I have it on very good authority it will be Appleton, and to be perfectly honest, im disgusted
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I have it on very good authority it will be Appleton, and to be perfectly honest, im disgusted
I don't suppose you could elaborate could you? Without getting yourself or anyone else into trouble?
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I have it on very good authority it will be Appleton, and to be perfectly honest, im disgusted
He's at 12s. Shall I stick money on it?
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I have it on very good authority it will be Appleton, and to be perfectly honest, im disgusted
I'm all for giving people a chance but if this happened it would be downright ridiculous and seriously lacking in ambition. How many times have we seen people step up at Prem level and fail miserably?
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I have it on very good authority it will be Appleton, and to be perfectly honest, im disgusted
Jeez, he isnt even in the door yet and you're disgusted? Give the guy a chance why don;t you. :D
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I have it on very good authority it will be Appleton, and to be perfectly honest, im disgusted
If that was the case, I wouldn't be happy.
Taking on a man with 6 months experience in management ending (with a points deduction granted) in relegation with a decent squad of players. ???
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I have it on very good authority it will be Appleton, and to be perfectly honest, im disgusted
That would suck! Might bet on it to soften the blow
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If that was the case, I wouldn't be happy.
Taking on a man with 6 months experience in management
thats nearly as much as his playing experience.
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www.please-stay-hughton.com
Stay & be a martyr for BCFC, or give yourself an oportunity to get in the shop window of the EPL? Oh, and just to remind you, you're 53 years old & you may not get many more oportunities.
But hey, it's your decision.
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I had it on good authority that it was AVB so hopefully the Appleton source turns out to be equally as inaccurate...... or are they coming as a double act? ;)
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thats nearly as much as his playing experience.
I really hope you're wrong! I'm sure you do too. Uninspiring to say the least and I will moan here before it happens but if he gets it I'll back him like I would any manager but the uncertainty around our summer would snow ball
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Ian Holloway is 3rd favourite according to the odds, why the hell is lee Clark 2nd favourite cant believe people would put money on a failed league 1 manager to be our new manager.If hughton wants to stay at the blues then I would expect holloway or Appleton to get the job.
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Going around on the social networks that its Hughton.
To be announced Tuesday.
(Source - rumours)
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If it's Appleton I will be disgusted and very angry to be honest. I will also fear for our season. Please anyone in the know give me anything to say it will not be him. If we are going down that route I would rather have dereck m back!
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Ian Holloway is 3rd favourite according to the odds, why the hell is lee Clark 2nd favourite cant believe people would put money on a failed league 1 manager to be our new manager.If hughton wants to stay at the blues then I would expect holloway or Appleton to get the job.
Bit harsh saying Clark is a failed Div 1 manager,he was harshly sacked imo.
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Please can we tone down some of the vitriol currently being leveled at the suggestion that Micheal Appleton might be appointed the Head Coach. I share some of the doubts about his experience but to call is his possible appointment "disgusting" is over the top and a bit insulting to a man who has served this club in various capacities for a a decade.
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I reckon Hughton'll be our manager by the end of next week. ITK.
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Well at the moment we have it very good 'authority' that the management team for next season will be Appleton, Hughton ably assisted by AVB ;D
You have to smile Doe ya? ;D
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It is reported on good authority in the Turkish Daily Hurriyet that 'West Bromwich Albion of the English premier league have approached Igor Stikitinmabanc of Aventaclu Spor to be their new manager. Igor Bey(Mr) says 'this is a fantastic honour and completely out of the blue. West Bromwich renowned throughout the world are a club I have longed to manager'.
His contract thought to to be of 1 year duration with a option to be extended for a further 6 months is reported to be worth 45,000 Pound Sterling.
This shock appointment is after the worst season ever by Aventaclue Spor, a season when they broke their own record of losing 25 successive games and attendance's plumeted to 3,000.
The West Bromwich Chairman Mr. Peiceman said 'we have searched the planet to find a successor to Roy Hodgson. Igor fits our requirements perfectly. He is a 69 year old experienced manager, used to working with a tight budget, who through bad luck as never had players to realise his potential. West Bromwich can assist him to achieve greatness in England and at the same time benefit our club'.
Igor Stikitinmabanc as had a long and chequer career. He came to Turkey in 1955 as a refugee from Belarus initially working in the city of Bursa removing amputated limbs from the government drugs centre. Showing a aptitude for football he was spotted by the Turkish Women's Football Association and after a lengthy enquiry in which he was cleared of 'spying' on the Russian Women's Football team whilst they were showering was offered the position of 'kit cleaner'. He rapidly moved up the ladder and after the shock suicide of the manager who was found hanging up side down with both legs cut off, was offered the managers position.
Taking the women's team to the unprecedented height of 118th ranking in the women's game the chairman of Aventaclu Spor, who by coincidence was his uncle offered Igor the managers position.
Igor is expected to start his new position in December of this year once his parole is granted. He will bring his own coaching team consisting of the 'corner kick coach', the 'throw in coach', the 'back pass coach' and the head of the massage team Miss Ucandowatuwant.
He admits that he must learn English and Hindu quickly and already as picked up useful phrases from the fans on television whilst watching English games such as 'You biased b******', 'You are going to get your f****** head kicked in' and 'curry and chips you idle b******'. He feels this basic knowledge will help him in the early days of his new position.
The club in assisting Igor to settle in the West Bromwich area have, within his contract given him a 3 bedroom house in Greets Green and a 'new' Ford Cortina.
This appointment is the first of its kind when a Turkish manager as broken into the big world of English Premier league. We wish him well! ;)
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so what are we to believe?? perhaps the club are talking to Hughton and Appleton. I've wanted Applieton and i feel the club and he are suited at this moment, an Appleton appointment would worry me, i certainly wouldnt be disgusted but i would be underwhelmed.
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Think Hughton is the right man for the job.
Its important whoever gets the job has the backing from 'majority' of the supporters.
You saw how hard a job can be made if your not wanted there, i.e Mcleish at Villa.
Think Hughton is overall the fans favourite for the job and he has my backing should he get the job.
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Lets hope this topic gathers some pace this week.
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so what are we to believe?? perhaps the club are talking to Hughton and Appleton. I've wanted Applieton and i feel the club and he are suited at this moment, an Appleton appointment would worry me, i certainly wouldnt be disgusted but i would be underwhelmed.
Maybe Appy is happy to come back as assistant to head coach Hughton? Who knows, we can only speculate atm.
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Maybe Appy is happy to come back as assistant to head coach Hughton? Who knows, we can only speculate atm.
Wasnt that the issue last time, Hughton not being able to bring in his own team.ie Calderwood etc
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Wasnt that the issue last time, Hughton not being able to bring in his own team.ie Calderwood etc
No, Hodgson became available.
It was very amicable.
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If it is to be Hughton (hopefully) then let's hope he is free to assemble whatever team of assistants he wishes to have.
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What is Louis van Gaal up to these days? ;D
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If it is to be Hughton (hopefully) then let's hope he is free to assemble whatever team of assistants he wishes to have.
I think he will be allowed to this time round.
The problem last time was Appy was highly rated amongst the club, but hes no longer here.
With Keith Downing and Dean Keily being the only ones left, it leaves space for Hughton to bring in 1 or 2 of 'his own men.
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Well Roy had Terry Burton, RDM had Newton, Mowbray had Grant......
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Well Roy had Terry Burton, RDM had Newton, Mowbray had Grant......
Who did Bobby Gould have :D
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Who did Bobby Gould have :D
Stuart Pearson :P
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Well this thread is pushing the Carew thread for pages.
My money is on Hughton for the job. I just wish they'd get on with it! lol
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so what are we to believe?? perhaps the club are talking to Hughton and Appleton. I've wanted Applieton and i feel the club and he are suited at this moment, an Appleton appointment would worry me, i certainly wouldnt be disgusted but i would be underwhelmed.
I say we believe nothing and wait for the club to officially confirm who our new head coach will be. If its Appleton, although I wouldn't be pleased, he would certainly get 110% backing from me. If its Hughton then I'll be happy. If its anybody else then I'll be quite shocked.
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If that was the case, I wouldn't be happy.
Huge 'if' considering where it's come from. I read it, then disregarded it.
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I say we believe nothing and wait for the club to officially confirm who our new head coach will be. If its Appleton, although I wouldn't be pleased, he would certainly get 110% backing from me. If its Hughton then I'll be happy. If its anybody else then I'll be quite shocked.
Agreed, 2 days off work now constant checking
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I have it on good authority that nobody on here has a clue.
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I have it on good authority that nobody on here has a clue.
Are you ITK?
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My dad's friend of a friend is Mark Jenkins and he's got nothing so i really don't believe anyone claiming to be ITK
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I have it on good authority that nobody on here has a clue.
Good authority, or just common sense? ;D
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The club don't half keep things under wraps these days,frustrating i know for us fans but its for the best in the long run particularly with so many teams looking for managers at the minute.
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The club don't half keep things under wraps these days,frustrating i know for us fans but its for the best in the long run particularly with so many teams looking for managers at the minute.
It's the only way to do this kind of business really. I don't mind at all. I only hope we end up with a sensible new manager as the pickings are really slim atm. With three now cash rich clubs coming up from the championship we are increasingly becoming minnows in the PL so it is imperative that we have smart leadership so we can stay a step ahead.
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It's the only way to do this kind of business really. I don't mind at all. I only hope we end up with a sensible new manager as the pickings are really slim atm. With three now cash rich clubs coming up from the championship we are increasingly becoming minnows in the PL so it is imperative that we have smart leadership so we can stay a step ahead.
Fully agree mate.obvious i know but this appointment is vital...maybe more so than when Roy got the job.We as a club are one step away from becoming a Premiership regular imo.
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Good authority, or just common sense? ;D
Common sense of course! We all know that the club likes to keep its cards close to its chest, so the vast majority of "ITK" claims are based on absolutely nothing.
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To be honest 4 or 5 years ago there were maybe four genuine ITK guys on here who got 90% of things right(things change quickly in football remember),i think its shows how the club have changed regarding information leaking out that only one member is really on the ball these days and he doesn't post that much (partly due to hassle he unfairly got).Certainly on other sites theres no info floating about,just have to sit tight guys.
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Peace needs to pull his finger out!
If we don't act soon, we're going to have Mick McCarthy snatched from under our noses by the Vile.
It's not good enough!
I must make a formal written apology and retract my previous comments.
They were childish, irresponsible and betrayed my genuine lack of concern for the future of my beloved club, and I personally apologise to anybody who may have gotten caught up in the confusion.
Sarchasm in all it's forms is the lowest brand of humour and is a blight upon the good world of online forums.
I intend to retire back to my constituency and spend more time with my wife and family.
I would like however to give my full support to Mick McCarthy.
I sincerely hope that should he not be successful in the Aston Villa appointment, that his inevitable future venture into retro, equine based children's entertainment, shines as brightly as his illustrious football management career.
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Albion were today set for a tug-of-war over Chris Hughton as they prepare to make their move for Roy Hodgson’s successor.
The Baggies are expected to make concrete moves to replace the new England manager in the next few days.
And with Hughton still thought to be at the top of their shortlist, that could put the club on a collision course with their troubled West Midlands neighbours.
Albion still hope to make an appointment before the end of May in order to involve their new head coach in decisions over transfer targets.
Hughton is believed to have been identified as their preferred candidate after Hawthorns chiefs accepted they were unlikely to lure Roberto Martinez from Wigan, making a formal approach to Blues highly likely this week.
However, the St Andrew’s hierarchy are not expected to make things easy with 53-year-old Hughton having led them against the odds to the Championship play-offs last season.
The terms of Hughton’s contract – he is on a one-year rolling deal – should make any compensation discussions relatively straightforward.
But Blues would still attempt to keep Hughton by persuading him his future is at St Andrew’s.
Blues are seeking new owners or outside investment to end the financial turmoil that has gripped the club and left Hughton’s future in doubt.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2012/05/21/west-brom-set-for-a-battle-over-chris-hughton/
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Hughton is believed to have been identified as their preferred candidate after Hawthorns chiefs accepted they were unlikely to lure Roberto Martinez from Wigan, making a formal approach to Blues highly likely this week.
That bit seems a bit strange for me, didn't know we were so keen on martinez.
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Martinez is more inventive than Hughton, but we are not a big enough step up for Martinez.
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Martinez is more inventive than Hughton, but we are not a big enough step up for Martinez.
No Martinez is being talked up all the time by his boss Whelan because he wants to keep him for as long as possible and Martinez is a too honourable a man to break the perceived gentlemans agreement. Martinez was foolish to turn Villa down the first time he was offered it! IMO that would be a much better move for him than Liverpool FC. Im not sure he is going to get that job anyway. He finished his job at Wigan some time ago. Taken them as far as he is ever going to.
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Hughton's odds have just dropped to 1.3 on betfair, massively odd's on now. He's been hovering round just around odd's on for the past few days so this suggests somethings happening.
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Hughton's odds have just dropped to 1.3 on betfair, massively odd's on now. He's been hovering round just around odd's on for the past few days so this suggests somethings happening.
I agree just gone 2/7 on Bet365 too
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Can someone tell me what Martinez has done to get the love-in he is currently receiving from all quarters? Because if it is, as i believe to be the case, just about keeping a team in the premier league by the skin of his teeth year on year, then isn't that comparible to what Mick McCarthy was doing (and may well have done this year) at Wolves? But playing good football i hear people say. Replace Mick McCarthy with Ian Holloway then whose Blackpool did that too and only went down on goal difference on a points total that would have seen them safe any other season. I wouldn't see any of the 3 I've mentioned as progressive for West Brom, so goodness only knows why one of them is being talked up for Liverpool. I just don't get it ???
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Totally agree that Martinez's success is a bit of a myth. Potato Heads record was better with similar abilities in their respective squads. Most of the praise coming his way is Whelan generated. On top of that I'm sure they finished towards the bottom of the fair play league, not so sure they're quite the football purists some would have you believe.
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Martinez's teams play their best football when it matters the most, and twice in a row proves it's not a fluke. It is no small thing to turn over Arsenal and Manchester United when they actually are playing for something (the title and CL place) rather than catching them off guard by some fluke statistical result.
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Martinez's teams play their best football when it matters the most, and twice in a row proves it's not a fluke. It is no small thing to turn over Arsenal and Manchester United when they actually are playing for something (the title and CL place) rather than catching them off guard by some fluke statistical result.
wouldn't a very good manager having them performing consistently all through the season?
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I´ve heard no rumours here in Spain, though even if I did, I probably wouldn´t understand it. Soon as I do hear something though, I can assure you that you´ll be first to hear. ;)
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wouldn't a very good manager having them performing consistently all through the season?
Even City had a dip in form. You need a squad three teams deep (like United) to be able to keep going throughout the season without blips in form. Martinez knows that at the end of the day it is the form in the spring, March and April especially, that determines who stays up and who goes down, and his job is the same as our managers, to ensure survival.
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I agree just gone 2/7 on Bet365 too
I've backed horses at longer odds on than that - and still lost!!
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I really cannot see anyonepast Chris Hughton and he must tick the most boxesas far as the Board are concerned.
I wouldn't be too disappointed with his appointment as I think he could keep us stable which is what we need to stay at this level for a few more years to establish ourselves. Maybe not very exciting or media worthy but who cares ! :o
The only real puzzle is why we are taking so long to approach the standout candidate ?
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am i the only person who wants to see attractive football ? chris hughton is going to bring horrible championship style long ball football to the albion. The blues have looked awful this year whilst grinding out 1-0's and the like. Also, if we cast our minds back to when Hughton was manager of newcastle, yeah they were alright (and the emphasis is on alright) but all they did was hoof the ball up to that gangly idiot, andy carroll.
That's not the albion way, i want goals, goals, goals. a few 5-4's and 4-3's.
If we're going to have the boringness of mid table for a few years before we mount our title challenge, i'd at least like us to play some sexy samba football.
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I really cannot see anyonepast Chris Hughton and he must tick the most boxesas far as the Board are concerned.
I wouldn't be too disappointed with his appointment as I think he could keep us stable which is what we need to stay at this level for a few more years to establish ourselves. Maybe not very exciting or media worthy but who cares ! :o
The only real puzzle is why we are taking so long to approach the standout candidate ?
Combination of things maybe?
Manager/agent on holiday?
Or we could be trying to be really careful as to not rock the boat too much so that we can land both Foster and Hughton.
Who knows? lol
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Had some inside info Hughton will be unveiled as manager tomorrow
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Had some inside info Hughton will be unveiled as manager tomorrow
Many rumours around but I've heard nothing concrete ?
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Gone odds on with most bookmakers in the last 24 hours.
Looks as if the wheels are finally in motion...
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I'v heard a few things saying he was due to be announced this week but nothing concrete. Solid appointment if true and I like the timing ensuring we arent buying players while still trying to sort the manager out
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hope its true, but cant see anything to the end of may. hope im wrong
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am i the only person who wants to see attractive football ? chris hughton is going to bring horrible championship style long ball football to the albion. The blues have looked awful this year whilst grinding out 1-0's and the like. Also, if we cast our minds back to when Hughton was manager of newcastle, yeah they were alright (and the emphasis is on alright) but all they did was hoof the ball up to that gangly idiot, andy carroll.
That's not the albion way, i want goals, goals, goals. a few 5-4's and 4-3's.
If we're going to have the boringness of mid table for a few years before we mount our title challenge, i'd at least like us to play some sexy samba football.
To be fair,he was the leading Spurs coach in many an attractive Norf Londan team ..............
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am i the only person who wants to see attractive football ? chris hughton is going to bring horrible championship style long ball football to the albion. The blues have looked awful this year whilst grinding out 1-0's and the like. Also, if we cast our minds back to when Hughton was manager of newcastle, yeah they were alright (and the emphasis is on alright) but all they did was hoof the ball up to that gangly idiot, andy carroll.
That's not the albion way, i want goals, goals, goals. a few 5-4's and 4-3's.
If we're going to have the boringness of mid table for a few years before we mount our title challenge, i'd at least like us to play some sexy samba football.
The majority of sides in this league which have established themselves have done it on defensive organisation. Everton, Stoke and so did Bolton until they opened up under Owen Coyle and eventually found themselves relegated. Quite simply, we cannot cope with 4-4s and 5-4's every week. It's unsustainable and puts an awful lot of pressure on our midfield and strike force to produce the goods. We tried playing sexy football under Tony Mowbray and often had our stomachs tickled and that resulted in relegation.
I also think you're being incredibly harsh on Chris Hughton. They finished 11 points clear of us in that promotion season after having numerous players leave the club, it was a rebuilding job which he did successfully. His football at Birmingham has also been effective. They've played some 60+ games this season and managed to finish 4th in a tough division. I know its not a sexy name which will disappoint some fans, however, he's the safe choice.
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am i the only person who wants to see attractive football ? chris hughton is going to bring horrible championship style long ball football to the albion. The blues have looked awful this year whilst grinding out 1-0's and the like. Also, if we cast our minds back to when Hughton was manager of newcastle, yeah they were alright (and the emphasis is on alright) but all they did was hoof the ball up to that gangly idiot, andy carroll.
That's not the albion way, i want goals, goals, goals. a few 5-4's and 4-3's.
If we're going to have the boringness of mid table for a few years before we mount our title challenge, i'd at least like us to play some sexy samba football.
to be fair, blues played some lovely football last season, and was good in defence. whats wrong with winning 1-0, its 3 points isnt it.
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Also was Hughton just playing to his teams strengths? If you've got Zigic/Carrol in your team you don't play it to his feet do you?!....
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am i the only person who wants to see attractive football ? chris hughton is going to bring horrible championship style long ball football to the albion. The blues have looked awful this year whilst grinding out 1-0's and the like. Also, if we cast our minds back to when Hughton was manager of newcastle, yeah they were alright (and the emphasis is on alright) but all they did was hoof the ball up to that gangly idiot, andy carroll.
That's not the albion way, i want goals, goals, goals. a few 5-4's and 4-3's.
If we're going to have the boringness of mid table for a few years before we mount our title challenge, i'd at least like us to play some sexy samba football.
Totally unrealistic ambitions if you wish to stay in the PL. Arsenal can play sexy samba football and win consistently but not WBA. But if your happy for us to defend well and play good quality counter attacking passing football that grinds out results then OK. If its the gung ho stuff then we really have to go down and do that in the Championship. Could Chris Hughton coach that.....i would think so
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I also think you're being incredibly harsh on Chris Hughton. They finished 11 points clear of us in that promotion season after having numerous players leave the club, it was a rebuilding job which he did successfully. His football at Birmingham has also been effective. They've played some 60+ games this season and managed to finish 3rd in a tough division. I know its not a sexy name which will disappoint some fans, however, he's the safe choice.
Sorry to be pedantic, but it was 4th :P
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wouldn't a very good manager having them performing consistently all through the season?
Like Roy you mean never losing more than 2 on the spin......
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Sorry to be pedantic, but it was 4th :P
Clicked the wrong number, apologies :D
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I also think you're being incredibly harsh on Chris Hughton. They finished 11 points clear of us in that promotion season after having numerous players leave the club, it was a rebuilding job which he did successfully. His football at Birmingham has also been effective. They've played some 60+ games this season and managed to finish 3rd in a tough division. I know its not a sexy name which will disappoint some fans, however, he's the safe choice.
I wouldn't class him as a 'safe choice' personally. After all the majority of his managerial experience has come at Championship level. Whilst I am not trying to play down his title win with Newcastle, he still had an exceptional set of players for that level. I've just looked back at the side that played us on the opening day of the season. Apart from Duff the rest remained there to my knowledge. I feel that RDM's achievements with us that season surpassed that of Newcastle's. I also feel that although Blues have played plenty of games and with their backroom problems they still have a lot of Premiership experience in their squad and a play off place was more that achievable.
Any manager is a risk but for me one who has had good experience of the level we are at would be a 'safer bet'. A Curbishley for instance.
I'm open minded about the whole thing really as there is no candidate that really stands out. If we are going to go down the 'less experienced' route then I'd have liked to see us go for Lambert personally.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/8185944.stm
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am i the only person who wants to see attractive football ? chris hughton is going to bring horrible championship style long ball football to the albion. The blues have looked awful this year whilst grinding out 1-0's and the like. Also, if we cast our minds back to when Hughton was manager of newcastle, yeah they were alright (and the emphasis is on alright) but all they did was hoof the ball up to that gangly idiot, andy carroll.
That's not the albion way, i want goals, goals, goals. a few 5-4's and 4-3's.
If we're going to have the boringness of mid table for a few years before we mount our title challenge, i'd at least like us to play some sexy samba football.
They were the divsions 4th top scorers with 78 goals, at Newcastle they finished the top goalscorers. Even then keeping clean sheet's is a bizarre criticism to have of a manager.
5-4's and 4-3's get you relegated. It's extremely naive football that leads to getting those sorts of results and it doesn't work well in the end. Team's wise up to kamikaze tactics pretty quickly.
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I wouldn't class him as a 'safe choice' personally. After all the majority of his managerial experience has come at Championship level. Whilst I am not trying to play down his title win with Newcastle, he still had an exceptional set of players for that level. I've just looked back at the side that played us on the opening day of the season. Apart from Duff the rest remained there to my knowledge. I feel that RDM's achievements with us that season surpassed that of Newcastle's. I also feel that although Blues have played plenty of games and with their backroom problems they still have a lot of Premiership experience in their squad and a play off place was more that achievable.
Any manager is a risk but for me one who has had good experience of the level we are at would be a 'safer bet'. A Curbishley for instance.
I'm open minded about the whole thing really as there is no candidate that really stands out. If we are going to go down the 'less experienced' route then I'd have liked to see us go for Lambert personally.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/8185944.stm
Regardless of how good their side was, it was a side which had just been relegated from the Premier League with plenty of ego's and a heavy expectation and he successfully managed to guide them back to the Premier League at the first attempt comfortably. His job at Birmingham in my opinion, outweighs the job at Newcastle, purely down to the circumstances Birmingham find themselves under. Blues lost many players due to their relegation last season; Foster, Johnson, Dann, Ridgewell, Jerome, Gardner, Larsson, Bowyer, Ferguson, Hleb, Beausejour, Jiranek & Derbyshire and probably one or two I've forgotten about, however, with several shrewd signings he moulded a side together which was capable of with standing a heavy fixture load, entertain its fans and still finish fourth in the championship. He is also a very good coach, you don't work at Tottenham for 10 years under ten different managers if you're not a good coach. Therefore I don't think that Premier League coaching is anything new to him.
I also see him as a similar manager to Roy Hodgson. His teams won't be expansive but they'll be compact and defensively organised and he can follow on from the hard work Roy started. Any other manager of a style like Martinez or Holloway would be a polar opposite and a danger, in my opinion.
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Regardless of how good their side was, it was a side which had just been relegated from the Premier League with plenty of ego's and a heavy expectation and he successfully managed to guide them back to the Premier League at the first attempt comfortably. His job at Birmingham in my opinion, outweighs the job at Newcastle, purely down to the circumstances Birmingham find themselves under. Blues lost many players due to their relegation last season; Foster, Johnson, Dann, Ridgewell, Jerome, Gardner, Larsson, Bowyer, Ferguson, Hleb, Beausejour, Jiranek & Derbyshire and probably one or two I've forgotten about, however, with several shrewd signings he moulded a side together which was capable of with standing a heavy fixture load, entertain its fans and still finish fourth in the championship. He is also a very good coach, you don't work at Tottenham for 10 years under ten different managers if you're not a good coach. Therefore I don't think that Premier League coaching is anything new to him.
I also see him as a similar manager to Roy Hodgson. His teams won't be expansive but they'll be compact and defensively organised and he can follow on from the hard work Roy started. Any other manager of a style like Martinez or Holloway would be a polar opposite and a danger, in my opinion.
Good post Liam, agree entirely.
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Liam - i was erring on the side of caution with Hughton - but when you put it like that he's not done a bad job at all.
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The blues have looked awful this year whilst grinding out 1-0's and the like.
I didn't recall them having many 1-0 wins, so I checked and just 3 out of their 20 league wins were by a 1-0 scoreline. They did grind out a 6-0 victory at Millwall and a 4-1 win at Leeds along the way though. They also took Chelsea to a replay in the FA Cup and beat Bruges, Nacional and Maribor in the Europa League. 78 goals were scored all-told in Blues' 23 league away games. It's obviously been mind-numbing boredom all season for Blues' fans...... ::)
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After being so so close last time about the job like near enough signing the contract with everything sorted out then find out Roy wanted it how will he feel about us as a club
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After being so so close last time about the job like near enough signing the contract with everything sorted out then find out Roy wanted it how will he feel about us as a club
Dont think that will make a scrap of difference. They all understand that is just the business they are in. Well paid but not always secure or predictable.
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After being so so close last time about the job like near enough signing the contract with everything sorted out then find out Roy wanted it how will he feel about us as a club
He's a big boy, he knows how football works and that Hodgson was the better choice for the job at the time which has been fully justified now Roy's got the England job. I don't think he left talks with any problems with our club. I'm sure that won't be a problem. What will is that Blues may persuade him to stay, especially as the fans have been pretty amazing to him and there are rumours of new investment into Blues.
I just hope he sees that we're in a much better position now and that he might not get a better chance than this to manage in the Premier League with a relatively stable club.
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The only real puzzle is why we are taking so long to approach the standout candidate ?
Because for all the talk on here the new manager has already been decided as i said yesterday (but nobody believes me) Its Appleton. an appointment of Terry Connor proportions.
What the club see's in him is beyond me?
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I know RDM commented a few days ago that he wouldn't go back to WBA, but he probably had to say that given his current managerial position. However, if he doesn't get the Chelsea job, he might just find us an attractive proposition. Even if offered an interim post whilst Chelsea sorted out a 'proper' manager, this might not be as attractive as a 3 year contract at WBA. Personally, I find it incredible that a manger who has turned Chelsea into a side winning the biggest prize in European football and the FA Cup, would not be retained. OK , he will hve turned the heads of many clubs across Europe, but Albion would be foolish not to take note, given our current vacancy. After all, he knows the set up, and unless he left on bad terms with JP/DA, I think we could benefit alot from his massive extra experience.
Otherwise, I'd be happy with Hughton.
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Because for all the talk on here the new manager has already been decided as i said yesterday (but nobody believes me) Its Appleton. an appointment of Terry Connor proportions.
What the club see's in him is beyond me?
With respect Tosh........perhaps the fact that you see no strengths at all in Michael Appleton says it all
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With respect Tosh........perhaps the fact that you see no strengths at all in Michael Appleton says it all
It's not what any of us think that is the worrying part, plenty of our players like Olsson, Long and others have said they want a 'big name'. Appleton certainly isn't that and some could be quite irritated by the appointment and leave. If push came to shove, we'd all back him but i'm not sure the 'higher status' players like Olsson would and they'd soon be off.
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Because for all the talk on here the new manager has already been decided as i said yesterday (but nobody believes me) Its Appleton. an appointment of Terry Connor proportions.
What the club see's in him is beyond me?
When everything is pointing to Hughton being appointed sometime in the next few days, if you are right about Appleton you get all the brownie points from me. BUT if you are right, you should get behind the guy 100% and give him a chance.
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It's not what any of us think that is the worrying part, plenty of our players like Olsson, Long and others have said they want a 'big name'. Appleton certainly isn't that and some could be quite irritated by the appointment and leave. If push came to shove, we'd all back him but i'm not sure the 'higher status' players like Olsson would and they'd soon be off.
In my opinion, Jonas Olsson is looking for a move anyway so we could probably do good by cashing in now and looking to replace him. He has his mind on impressing in the Euro's and then earning himself a move away. Fair enough to him for that. However, we're West Bromwich Albion and we're certainly not going to start chasing 'big names' just to keep a few players happy. The reality is that those 'big names' wouldn't fancy us and we'll always be looking at the likes of Hughton, Appleton and McInnes. Another pro for Appleton is that he already knows the players inside out and I'm sure has there respect, however, if the likes of Olsson don't wish to remain because we have appointed Appleton, then we're better off letting them go and cashing in. Everybody else remains under contract and will leave when we want them to, not when they choose to.
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Can someone tell me what Martinez has done to get the love-in he is currently receiving from all quarters? Because if it is, as i believe to be the case, just about keeping a team in the premier league by the skin of his teeth year on year, then isn't that comparible to what Mick McCarthy was doing (and may well have done this year) at Wolves? But playing good football i hear people say. Replace Mick McCarthy with Ian Holloway then whose Blackpool did that too and only went down on goal difference on a points total that would have seen them safe any other season. I wouldn't see any of the 3 I've mentioned as progressive for West Brom, so goodness only knows why one of them is being talked up for Liverpool. I just don't get it ???
I agree with what you say to a degree because managers with similar budgets have done a better job in the last few years without getting the credit Martinez does for just keeping a side up every year. No doubt his style of football helps gloss over the reality of where they finish and how they finish every year.
It cant be denied however that he has done a good job at Wigan. Martinez took over a Wigan side that no longer received fresh investment from Whelan. Whelan has in the last few years actually worked on reducing debt from what I have seen. I think it was 50 million when Martinez took over and now it is about 25 million. Martinez is managing a Wigan side on a downward curve. Their budget this year is, from the figures we have seen, about the same as ours, with us having the advantage that we aren't looking to reduce debt like they are. In Martinez's 3 years, they have sold their star players every year. Cattermole, Valencia, N'Zogbia, Heskey, Bramble, Scharner, Melchiot, Diame, etc and he has replaced them with Scottish league players like McCarthy, Mccarthur, Salmon and Maloney, as well as championship players like Moses, Watson and Gomez. No doubt this summer he will lose Moses, maybe Al Habsi and maybe Rodellega. Despite this, he still keeps Wigan in the top flight every year. That cant be easy with such negative changes and how much work he must have to do.
On top of that, he does it playing good football. Any manager that has the bravery to play attractive football with a small budget and makes it works deserves more credit than a manager like Pulis who plays the percentages to keep his side up.
I think one other factor that needs to be considered is that he actually appears to make players better through coaching. You see this with Moyes. Everton start poorly every year however as the season progresses and his coaching kicks in and improves the players, the results improve and they finish the season strongly. This is the same at Wigan, who have made a habit under Martinez of finishing strongly. I think in this day and age as football in this country wakes up to what managers should be doing, people will start to notice managers who improve players through coaching.
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I agree with what you say to a degree because managers with similar budgets have done a better job in the last few years without getting the credit Martinez does for just keeping a side up every year. No doubt his style of football helps gloss over the reality of where they finish and how they finish every year.
It cant be denied however that he has done a good job at Wigan. Martinez took over a Wigan side that no longer received fresh investment from Whelan. Whelan has in the last few years actually worked on reducing debt from what I have seen. I think it was 50 million when Martinez took over and now it is about 25 million. Martinez is managing a Wigan side on a downward curve. Their budget this year is, from the figures we have seen, about the same as ours, with us having the advantage that we aren't looking to reduce debt like they are. In Martinez's 3 years, they have sold their star players every year. Cattermole, Valencia, N'Zogbia, Heskey, Bramble, Scharner, Melchiot, Diame, etc and he has replaced them with Scottish league players like McCarthy, Mccarthur, Salmon and Maloney, as well as championship players like Moses, Watson and Gomez. No doubt this summer he will lose Moses, maybe Al Habsi and maybe Rodellega. Despite this, he still keeps Wigan in the top flight every year. That cant be easy with such negative changes and how much work he must have to do.
On top of that, he does it playing good football. Any manager that has the bravery to play attractive football with a small budget and makes it works deserves more credit than a manager like Pulis who plays the percentages to keep his side up.
I think one other factor that needs to be considered is that he actually appears to make players better through coaching. You see this with Moyes. Everton start poorly every year however as the season progresses and his coaching kicks in and improves the players, the results improve and they finish the season strongly. This is the same at Wigan, who have made a habit under Martinez of finishing strongly. I think in this day and age as football in this country wakes up to what managers should be doing, people will start to notice managers who improve players through coaching.
Not difficult to see why Whelan wants to deter other clubs. Where would they be if they had dropped into the Championship 2/3 seasons ago. I agree with your view though. Below the top four or five sides the jam tomorrow days will soon be a thing of the past if they arnt already
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I agree with what you say to a degree because managers with similar budgets have done a better job in the last few years without getting the credit Martinez does for just keeping a side up every year. No doubt his style of football helps gloss over the reality of where they finish and how they finish every year.
It cant be denied however that he has done a good job at Wigan. Martinez took over a Wigan side that no longer received fresh investment from Whelan. Whelan has in the last few years actually worked on reducing debt from what I have seen. I think it was 50 million when Martinez took over and now it is about 25 million. Martinez is managing a Wigan side on a downward curve. Their budget this year is, from the figures we have seen, about the same as ours, with us having the advantage that we aren't looking to reduce debt like they are. In Martinez's 3 years, they have sold their star players every year. Cattermole, Valencia, N'Zogbia, Heskey, Bramble, Scharner, Melchiot, Diame, etc and he has replaced them with Scottish league players like McCarthy, Mccarthur, Salmon and Maloney, as well as championship players like Moses, Watson and Gomez. No doubt this summer he will lose Moses, maybe Al Habsi and maybe Rodellega. Despite this, he still keeps Wigan in the top flight every year. That cant be easy with such negative changes and how much work he must have to do.
On top of that, he does it playing good football. Any manager that has the bravery to play attractive football with a small budget and makes it works deserves more credit than a manager like Pulis who plays the percentages to keep his side up.
I think one other factor that needs to be considered is that he actually appears to make players better through coaching. You see this with Moyes. Everton start poorly every year however as the season progresses and his coaching kicks in and improves the players, the results improve and they finish the season strongly. This is the same at Wigan, who have made a habit under Martinez of finishing strongly. I think in this day and age as football in this country wakes up to what managers should be doing, people will start to notice managers who improve players through coaching.
Cracking reply Baggies.
I didn't realise the financial circumstances within which Martinez operates at Wigan were so challanging (though to be fair, I suppose selling your best players every year does indicate that).
Maybe i was being harsh on Martinez but I still prefer Hughton. It just feels a better fit to me.
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Because for all the talk on here the new manager has already been decided as i said yesterday (but nobody believes me) Its Appleton. an appointment of Terry Connor proportions.
What the club see's in him is beyond me?
A great deal of money might make up for some of your disappointment. Appleton is 25/1 on Sky Bet.
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I think Hughtons abilities speak for themselves, Newcastle fans loved him and Blues fans are letting him know what he means to them, clubs dont do that for muppets.
If we get him i think he will be a very steady appointment and i dont mean that in a disrespectful way, as much as the idea of AVB, Ranieri, etc sounds good, the fact remains when it comes to signing players we wont be spending more than probably 7m on a player or £40k a week on wages, that rules out many of the potential superstars and names so i think anybody doubting Hughton or Appleton not attracting big names will find its other factors rather who the manager is.
I think even Lambert or Martinez arent names, Barca and Real Madrid players wont be phoning up JP for a game if we got either of those like they wont be for Hughton or Appleton.
Whoever comes in isnt going to be dealing with superstars, it will be making the best out of limited resources in premiership terms and continuing / building the side and spirit we have, i would certainly fancy Hughton to do that and would have no objection if Appleton came in, everybody deserves a chance, he has as much chance of succeeding as some big name foreigner who has no experience of english football either.
Whoever comes in should get everybodys support and hopefully there wont be some Mcleish style backlash like there was at Villa if we dont get the name people want.
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Below is a Birmingham City opinion on the Hugthon situation. I found the line about the blogger not being able to remember a managers who's name is chanted so often at St Andrews quite interesting. He must be doing something right.
http://www.oftenpartisan.co.uk/archives/5453/permission-to-talk.html?
Permission To Talk
As feared, it has emerged that Chris Hughton has now become the top target of the West Bromwich Albion hierarchy to take over the Hawthorns hotseat from England manager Roy Hodgson.
Of course, this isn’t much new. It’s been in the press for a while that Hughton was likely to be a target of WBA’s as they’d approached him regarding the job before taking on Hodgson with the only stumbling block being that Chris wanted to appoint his own backroom staff – a stumbling block that was removed when Michael Appleton took on the manager job at Fratton Park.
However, that coupled with the news that emerged over the last couple of delays to the long-overdue accounts has led Blues fans to worry more over the future of the club. Hughton has been immensely popular since he has been at St Andrews and I will admit, I’ve never seen a manager have so many people chanting his name so often as I have seen Hughton’s name chanted this season.
For WBA to appoint Hughton they either have to formally approach Blues about talking to Chris, agreeing a compensation package should Hughton take the job or if those talks are refused hope that Hughton takes matters into his own hands and resigns his position. This Birmingham Mail article by Albion writer Chris Lepkowski states that WBA will be approaching Blues in the next few days.
The Blues board have an important decision to make here. They can of course refuse WBA permission to talk to Hughton but in doing so they run the risk of Hughton bringing matters into his own hands. The key will be if Chris Hughton has faith in the Blues board to deliver him what he needs to run the club, or if he thinks that the problems are now insurmountable and it may be best to get out whilst the going is good.
For me, I personally wouldn’t deny Chris Hughton the chance to move on. I’d be naturally disappointed – I hope he stays he for a while because it’s my belief that he’s helped to give back the club it’s spark and it’s soul. However, I respect him as a man and a coach and if things at Blues are as pear-shaped as some of the doom-mongers have predicted then it wouldn’t be fair on him to throw away a chance to move on somewhere where he would be better appreciated by a club’s owners.
It’s another key test for Mr Pannu and for the owners. If they can successfully rebuff WBA and convince Hughton to stay, then it’s possible that fans might think that the situation is better than it seems and some faith may be restored that things are going to be okay. If however Chris moves on – either by resignation or because the club allow WBA to speak to him I think it will get uglier for the Chinese as I think even more fans will feel betrayed by them.
This coming fortnight could be the making or breaking of our next season. If it goes well, the accounts will be filed, the embargo lifted and Chris Hughton will be planning on his next assault on the Championship. If it goes badly – well, I don’t even want to think about that right now. As ever, I will hope for the best but as has happened increasingly recently I will also be fearing the absolute worst.
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A great deal of money might make up for some of your disappointment. Appleton is 25/1 on Sky Bet.
So Sealandair, being as you're so sure im assuming you've put a lot of money down on this?! I was tempted to stake £20 on just incase you are right.
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Just done it free bet mind that's the only reason I did it so nothing to lose lol. Still think it will be Hughton though :)
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Trouble with next manager markets are that they are so volatile. An odd £50 here and there swings the odds massively. Has CH got the job 100% no. Will he get it, yes he will unless a much much bigger name comes in at the last minute but to be fair that is what happened last time.
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True Jamie which is why I can't see it being Appleton. I know he is well liked by the Albion board but for where we are now and what we are looking to do long term then he is not the right man and I'm sure Peace wouldn't do that to us anyway would he?
By the way I do like Appleton but think he is still too inexperienced at mo.
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Trouble with next manager markets are that they are so volatile. An odd £50 here and there swings the odds massively. Has CH got the job 100% no. Will he get it, yes he will unless a much much bigger name comes in at the last minute but to be fair that is what happened last time.
im comforted by this post.
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If anything this would be the ideal time for the club to take a chance on their 'long term project', Michael Appleton. The club obviously see something in him to speak of him so highly and to advance him up their coaching ladder so rapidly. The club was heading straight for relegation when RDM was sacked, it would've been too risky and too early anyway to throw him in then. So they brought Hodgson in on a short term contract knowing that his intention was to use us to re-establish himself as a top manager and get himself back in the frame for another big job (which ultimately turned out to be England) and leave at the end of his one year contract. Hodgson's objection was to shore things up - guide the team out of danger when he first arrived and consolidate us in a nice comfortable mid-table position during the precarious 'second season'. He comfortably accomplished that objective, leaving the club in the most secure position it has been for years - the club can almost be called an 'established Premiership club'.
With things so settled it could be the perfect time for Appleton to come in and do what the club thinks he can do. Portsmouth may even have been a 'test assignment' for him, an assignment he probably passed with him doing a fairly commendable job considering what a complete and utter mess Portsmouth is/was and receiving plaudits, despite them ultimately being relegated.
I also notice Appleton's odds have shortened to 10/1, on Skybet.
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Michael Laudrup: In the frame for the Liverpool job as he looks to come to England
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7765026/Laudrup-in-Liverpool-link
Seems odd Liverpool would be after Laudrup with his previous experience in management when even our own fans questioned his experience for the Albion job; if he was ever considered.
Maybe him wanting to "come to England" might mean he's after any job in England and not just Liverpool as the media have put his name to.
Regardless if he is, it seems everyones assumption its going to be Hughton who is approached.
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So Sealandair, being as you're so sure im assuming you've put a lot of money down on this?! I was tempted to stake £20 on just incase you are right.
Now at 10/1 at Sky Bet see what £20 did to the market unfortunately for you and luckily for the club it is free money you will not be seeing again probably
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Now at 10/1 at Sky Bet see what £20 did to the market unfortunately for you and luckily for the club it is free money you will not be seeing again probably
The key word being tempted, i didnt put it on...
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In my opinion, Jonas Olsson is looking for a move anyway so we could probably do good by cashing in now and looking to replace him. He has his mind on impressing in the Euro's and then earning himself a move away. Fair enough to him for that. However, we're West Bromwich Albion and we're certainly not going to start chasing 'big names' just to keep a few players happy. The reality is that those 'big names' wouldn't fancy us and we'll always be looking at the likes of Hughton, Appleton and McInnes. Another pro for Appleton is that he already knows the players inside out and I'm sure has there respect, however, if the likes of Olsson don't wish to remain because we have appointed Appleton, then we're better off letting them go and cashing in. Everybody else remains under contract and will leave when we want them to, not when they choose to.
Spot on. Couldn't agree more. We should appoint a manager that's best for the club, not on the choice of 2 or 3 players. They are paid to do their job and they do it well, but apart from giving the club a bit more of a kick to go get a top manager or a to persuade a top manager they are wanted by the players here then that's all it is, in DA & JP we trust.
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Oddschecker now showing hughton at odds as low as 1/16 ! Will be amazed if not the next manager !!
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Money on next manager markets dictates the odds because they are always worried about who has info, I did next lincoln manager 2 years ago was @ 6/1 they only let me have a max of £40 so thats all i put on and the odds went from 6/1 to Evens, got my mate to put some money on then it went from Evens to 1/10 all for £60,
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Hughton almost nailed on now at 1/5 on with some bookies. ;D
Sort By: Fav/Name oddschecker
1.33 Chris Hughton
Chris Hughton 1/4 1/3 1/4 1/4 1/5 1/4 1/4 1/5 2/7 8/25 17/100
9.0 Lee Clark
Lee Clark 8 7 8 7 15/2 7 7 6 7 17/2 34/5
15.0 Michael Appleton
Michael Appleton 14 10 12 12 12 12 12 8 10 147/10 81/10
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After some very very good posts on here I am starting to warm to the idea of having Hughton as head coach! Fingers crossed he gets some money to!
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After some very very good posts on here I am starting to warm to the idea of having Hughton as head coach! Fingers crossed he gets some money to!
I think Hughton is the PERFECT fit for us and a genuinely nice guy.
Should never have been sacked at Newcastle and has done wonders at BHm under difficult circumstances. I wasn't massively keen to start with but when you start reading a bit more about the bloke he is top class - BHm fans love him, their loss our gain!!!!
Just ticks all the boxes and will work well within our structure - appointed before the week is out IMO.
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I think Hughton is the PERFECT fit for us and a genuinely nice guy.
Should never have been sacked at Newcastle and has done wonders at BHm under difficult circumstances. I wasn't massively keen to start with but when you start reading a bit more about the bloke he is top class - BHm fans love him, their loss our gain!!!!
Just ticks all the boxes and will work well within our structure - appointed before the week is out IMO.
I think what put me of was that he aint no Roy Hodgson, hes come from the league below and isnt that big name that was not the big name that I belived we had spoken to!
However 10 years with Tottenham under alot of manager means he has alot of experiance and knowledge, did very well with newcastle and got sacked being 11th in the league. And he has done very well at birmingham!
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Whats with Lee Clarke, he should not be in any race for any team in the prem.The bloke needs to work his way up.Ideal for Blues when we get their manager.I dont want Hughton but i accept his appointment if it happens
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One of the things that impressed me about CH was that European run this season,to get that far against established teams with left over players and cheap buys says masses about him for me.Lets face it Myhill,Wood and Ibanez werent good enough for Roy but somehow CH moulded a decent team out of those and a few others.Not only that he kept the league run going too.Impressive stuff.
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Hughton does fit the clubs criteria quite well and the bloke does have a lot of experience.
As much as I think he will be named manager (100% has my backing) I have a feeling we have a suprise lined up :o
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Hughton does fit the clubs criteria quite well and the bloke does have a lot of experience.
As much as I think he will be named manager (100% has my backing) I have a feeling we have a suprise lined up :o
I feel the same. If it is Hughton I will be happy but I think we may be in for a surprise.
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this is exactly what i said to my dad and bro, peace works in mysterious ways, if hughton is the perfect candidate and all rumours/speculation point to him it probably wont be him!
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Its a good smokescreen if that is the case because if all the hype and headlines are about CH then that leaves the other candidate to go relatively unnoticed. Just wish I had an inkling so I could get rich from it!!!
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Its a good smokescreen if that is the case because if all the hype and headlines are about CH then that leaves the other candidate to go relatively unnoticed. Just wish I had an inkling so I could get rich from it!!!
It does make you wonder.
Its nearly 4 weeks since Roy was appointed England manager and you would of thought they'd of had an idea who they wanted before Blues even played the 1st leg of their play off game against Blackpool. Its been a further 2 weeks since Blues lost and you'd suspect they would of approached Blues already if they wanted Hughton (something that would of been made publicly official); but nothing has been said.
I guess you can say the same about Appleton if he was ever going to considered, which I hope not!
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For those who have a greater understanding of these things! How long till we start getting definative info about an appointment?
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I would expect it to go into next week to be honest.
Also if we do approach Blues and they let is talk to Chris Hughton, who's saying he will definetly accept our offer??? I know its very likely he will, but he has stated on many occassions he is very happy at Blues and he seems the sort of guy who would remain loyal. Of course the dire situation at Blues will no doubt help us in our bid to get him.
As some other posters have said, a surprise may well be on the cards.
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With how tight-lipped the Albion are these days we wont hear anything from Albion until its official, HOWEVER, I would expect that the leak, if there is to be one, would come from the Blues end in CH case or Pompey if it was going to be Appleton.
With nothing forthcoming up until now, my money is on a unknown person who hasnt been mentioned before now ! ;)
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Or quite simply we haven't approached anyone.
I reckon the new Wolves coach was our number one choice ;)
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Or quite simply we haven't approached anyone.
I reckon the new Wolves coach was our number one choice ;)
I would hope we have approached someone or at least sounded the current club out, IF we havent then thats unbelievable !..............I dont accept we havent already made approaches if its someone we dont know about !
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Southgate now in the running according to bodog :o
Former Middlesbrough manager Southgate is now trading at 8/1 after attracting support at 16s following his introduction to the market on Tuesday.
Southgate is currently employed by the FA as the Head of Elite development alongside Sir Trevor Brooking.
"There would be a certain symmetry were Southgate to head to The Hawthorns following Roy Hodgson's departure to the FA," said Nick Gray of Bodog.co.uk.
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Southgate now in the running according to bodog :o
Former Middlesbrough manager Southgate is now trading at 8/1 after attracting support at 16s following his introduction to the market on Tuesday.
Southgate is currently employed by the FA as the Head of Elite development alongside Sir Trevor Brooking.
"There would be a certain symmetry were Southgate to head to The Hawthorns following Roy Hodgson's departure to the FA," said Nick Gray of Bodog.co.uk.
Support from who exactly, Vile fans and Dogheads >:(
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Is Hughton really that well suited to us? One of the major stumbling blocks when we were linked to him before we got Hodgson was his insistence on bringing in his own backroom staff and that he didn't like the head coach role, he wanted to be in charge of everything.
If he does sign I hope he leaves his backroom people at Blues, Trollope and Calderwood. God help us.
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Southgate now in the running according to bodog :o
Former Middlesbrough manager Southgate is now trading at 8/1 after attracting support at 16s following his introduction to the market on Tuesday.
Southgate is currently employed by the FA as the Head of Elite development alongside Sir Trevor Brooking.
"There would be a certain symmetry were Southgate to head to The Hawthorns following Roy Hodgson's departure to the FA," said Nick Gray of Bodog.co.uk.
Could Southgate be the surprise 'rabbit out of the hat' that a number of posters have aluded to? It wouldn't be a bad appointment in my view.
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Could Southgate be the surprise 'rabbit out of the hat' that a number of posters have aluded to? It wouldn't be a bad appointment in my view.
No it wouldnt be a bad appointment it would be a dire appointment!
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Is Hughton really that well suited to us? One of the major stumbling blocks when we were linked to him before we got Hodgson was his insistence on bringing in his own backroom staff and that he didn't like the head coach role, he wanted to be in charge of everything.
If he does sign I hope he leaves his backroom people at Blues, Trollope and Calderwood. God help us.
No no no, this is a common mis-conception, we appointed RH before talks got going with CH, nothing to do with backroom staff was ever discussed, talks with CH just never got that far !
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Really dont want Southgate.
He was cluesless when he took Middlesbrough down.
Needs to stick to his admin job at the FA.
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No it wouldnt be a bad appointment it would be a dire appointment!
I couldnt agree more mate !
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I just dont think it adds up.
I know we keep things well underwraps but I think if we wanted CH THAT bad, we would have made an approach by now (for all we know we might have but im sure something would have been leaked).
If he was the man the club wanted im sure we would have spoke to him by now, and with 99.9% of the local press etc still under the impression were yet to move, has me thinking were after someone else!
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I think the club see Chris Hughton as the safe option. They have probably been waiting to see if any other candidates become available like Hodgson did last time.
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When this process started ashworth said something along the lines of...we've been looking for ages and have already looked at candidates.
What i dont get is... Why take so bloody long about it!!!
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When this process started ashworth said something along the lines of...we've been looking for ages and have already looked at candidates.
What i dont get is... Why take so bloody long about it!!!
It's been said all along that there's no rush and the club aims to have someone in by the end of the month, I don't exactly see the problem?
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Southgate had a meeting with Ashworth and Peace yesterday to discuss the EPPP project. Nothing to do with the Head coach vacancy.
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There is no "problem" other than in peoples own minds. We can only speculate as to whats happening because the club play it so close to their chests that NO-ONE knows whats happening until its a done deal.
All this speculating only leads to arguements over nothing, we should all just chill and wait for it to happen, which it will do eventually. Theres not a lot we can do about things by speculating anyway !
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When this process started ashworth said something along the lines of...we've been looking for ages and have already looked at candidates.
What i don't get is... Why take so bloody long about it!!!
Well said mate. Are they waiting for everyone to get their season tickets first? And then tell us it is Appleton? For gods sake NO NO NO
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Well said mate. Are they waiting for everyone to get their season tickets first? And then tell us it is Appleton? For gods sake NO NO NO
NAIL/HEAD/HIT
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June the 1st deadline for season tickets :D dont expect an announcement until then
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Why are you so certain it's Appleton?
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Hes just being a pessimist.
Think the worst and anything else is better. ;D
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Your comments are going to look ridiculous when it's revealed Appleton isn't our new manager
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I wouldn't be disappinted with the appointment of Appleton to be honest. Although, I would prefer Chris Hughton. Isn't there a way of employing an older coach to work alongside Appleton? I know Paul Trollope did it at Bristol Rovers, and Dougie Freedman has done the same at Crystal Palace working alongside Lenny Lawrence. Karl Robinson also worked alongside a more experienced coach in John Gorman. I would certainly warm to the Appleton appointment if we maybe got someone more experienced alongside him.
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Who actually decides on buying a season ticket based on who the manager is? :o
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Portsmouth manager Michael Appleton says he will not walk away from the financially stricken club and has vowed to "fight on until the end".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17269296
Lets just hope he sticks to his word.
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Can we change the tone please when comments are made to Sealandair. He is an Albion fan and whether you agree with his views or not, at least respect them and debate with him rather than forming an opinion of him and posting it over the board
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I wouldn't be disappinted with the appointment of Appleton to be honest. Although, I would prefer Chris Hughton. Isn't there a way of employing an older coach to work alongside Appleton?
Why though? what is the obsession with the bloke?
he seems to have gained some sort of 'cult' status for spending half his life on the physios couch?
The premier league is no place to blood new managers, and why do people think we owe him a living? he is not the first player to have his career cut short by injury? it was good the club helped him through that but surely by now enough is enough? let him cut his teeth in the lower divisions and if hes any good in 10 years time. make him an offer, but until then he is not required when it comes to first team matters.
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Why though? what is the obsession with the bloke?
he seems to have gained some sort of 'cult' status for spending half his life on the physios couch?
The premier league is no place to blood new managers, and why do people think we owe him a living? he is not the first player to have his career cut short by injury? it was good the club helped him through that but surely by now enough is enough? let him cut his teeth in the lower divisions and if hes any good in 10 years time. make him an offer, but until then he is not required when it comes to first team matters.
Dont normally say this to a Sealandair post, but I agree ;)
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Why though? what is the obsession with the bloke?
he seems to have gained some sort of 'cult' status for spending half his life on the physios couch?
The premier league is no place to blood new managers, and why do people think we owe him a living? he is not the first player to have his career cut short by injury? it was good the club helped him through that but surely by now enough is enough? let him cut his teeth in the lower divisions and if hes any good in 10 years time. make him an offer, but until then he is not required when it comes to first team matters.
I completely agree with Sealandair on this.
Knows how the club works? Terry Connor was at Wolves for a decade until he got the job there and he didn't even manage a single win.
I really don't understand the plaudits he gets from being at Pompey. They were sitting comfortably in mid table, just had their manager poached from Forest and granted they got a 10 points deduction but he came in and got them relegated with a 25% win percentage with a set of in my opinion decent enough players. They were hardly cut adrift with the deduction either.
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Why though? what is the obsession with the bloke?
he seems to have gained some sort of 'cult' status for spending half his life on the physios couch?
The premier league is no place to blood new managers, and why do people think we owe him a living? he is not the first player to have his career cut short by injury? it was good the club helped him through that but surely by now enough is enough? let him cut his teeth in the lower divisions and if hes any good in 10 years time. make him an offer, but until then he is not required when it comes to first team matters.
Because I see Michael Appleton as one of those eager to make up for what he missed out on as a player, that's why I see him doing everything to achieve and not become lazy like certain managers have in the past. I probably phrased my previous post poorly, what I meant was, I wouldn't be too disappointed with Appleton providing we have an experienced coach alongside him.
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Me three. Very disappointed if its true. Thought our board were much better than that.
Still hope it's Hughton I really do!
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Have you seen the Southgate link - I hope this is a wind up
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Yeah it's rubbish apparently! He was there yesterday with JP and DA regarding training grassroots or something like that.
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I completely agree with Sealandair on this.
Knows how the club works? Terry Connor was at Wolves for a decade until he got the job there and he didn't even manage a single win.
I really don't understand the plaudits he gets from being at Pompey. They were sitting comfortably in mid table, just had their manager poached from Forest and granted they got a 10 points deduction but he came in and got them relegated with a 25% win percentage with a set of in my opinion decent enough players. They were hardly cut adrift with the deduction either.
I do think you're being harsh. Not only did he have a ten point deduction, they also lost several of their better players. Liam Lawrence, Jan Huseklepp, the keeper Henderson, Hayden Mullins and alongside that probably one or two others. If you take the nucleus out of any squad then they're going to struggle. It would be like someone taking away Foster, Odemwingie, Mulumbu, Olsson away from us. We'd struggle without them.
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I really don't understand the plaudits he gets from being at Pompey. They were sitting comfortably in mid table, just had their manager poached from Forest and granted they got a 10 points deduction but he came in and got them relegated with a 25% win percentage with a set of in my opinion decent enough players. They were hardly cut adrift with the deduction either.
I think Portsmouth fans are better placed to make that judgement and the impression I've got from them is they think he did a good job. I admit it's difficult to assess how well he has done there under the circumstances; I do think however it is harsh though to condemn him for their relegation - when in fact he may have done extremely well to help them amass the points they did. With the players Hughton had at his disposal should he of got them promoted? I think Birmingham had a better team then Reading and Southampton.
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I think Portsmouth fans are better placed to make that judgement and the impression I've got from them is they think he did a good job. I admit it's difficult to assess how well he has done there under the circumstances; I do think however it is harsh though to condemn him for their relegation - when in fact he may have done extremely well to help them amass the points they did. With the players Hughton had at his disposal should he of got them promoted? I think Birmingham had a better team then Reading and Southampton.
It would be guesswork if we appointed Appleton though. He has 6 months experience as a football manger, I know we are not big enough to attract the likes of AVB etc but we should be looking at candidates with a proven track record (like Hughton). Lets face it, if Appleton had no Albion connection; his name would never of even been muttered.
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I would rather go for Ray Lewington - He would continue on in the same way as Roy.
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I would rather go for Ray Lewington - He would continue on in the same way as Roy.
Just gone to work with Roy at England hasn't he?
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It would be guesswork if we appointed Appleton though. He has 6 months experience as a football manger, I know we are not big enough to attract the likes of AVB etc but we should be looking at candidates with a proven track record (like Hughton). Lets face it, if Appleton had no Albion connection; his name would never of even been muttered.
Hughton has only been a manager for two and half years.
1st year - Promoted with easily the best team in the division.
2nd year - sacked.
3rd - Finished 4th with a good Birmingham team. Lost in the semis of the play-offs
Every potential appointment will be a gamble of sorts. Mourinho and Guardiola were inexperienced managers at one point ;D
By the way I would be happy with Hughton.
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Just gone to work with Roy at England hasn't he?`
Only for the Euro's I think
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Who actually decides on buying a season ticket based on who the manager is? :o
Good question!! I personally would be discouraged with an Appleton appointment but to not renew and support the team cause of the manager appointment?? One thing to be upset and disappointed but to go down the road of the Vile fans lets not go there. Being in California I would die to be able and go to the Hawthornes and support the team and have the chance to purchase a season ticket. Don't take it for granted my fellow Baggie supporters. Perhaps I'm reading to much into those comments but just thought I'd put it out there anyway.
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Hughton has only been a manager for two and half years.
1st year - Promoted with easily the best team in the division.
2nd year - sacked.
3rd - Finished 4th with a good Birmingham team. Lost in the semis of the play-offs
Every potential appointment will be a gamble of sorts. Mourinho and Guardiola were inexperienced managers at one point ;D
By the way I would be happy with Hughton.
I think that is a very vague view of Hughton's managerial career. You could easily say that Appleton is unbeaten in his entire Premiership managerial career but as with Hughton it's not the full story.
As long as we appoint the best manager in the eyes of DA and the board I am happy as they have not got much wrong so far.
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1st year - Promoted with easily the best team in the division.
2nd year - sacked.
3rd - Finished 4th with a good Birmingham team. Lost in the semis of the play-offs
He was unfairly sacked by Newcastle; they were sitting comfortably in a mid-table position. Hughton was also the man to confirm the signings of Hatem Ben Arfa and Tiote who have now progressed into class EPL players.
A good birmingham team? You mean a team which had gone into financial meltdown, lost basically all of their best players (Foster, Ridgewell, Johnson, Dann, Larsson, Gardner, Jerome etc.)? I think you're being very harsh about Hughton - ask any blues fan with a bit of sense and they'll tell you that what Hughton has achieved this season is nothing short of miraculous. Incredibly for a manager who only has a few years prior managerial experience; I feel he could really progress with us.
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Southgate being linked now! NOOOOOOO!!!!
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What kind of football does Hughton prefer,imo I only watched them when they played against us,and we sorta faced a long ball game if I remember rightly,but they did have Carrol upfront,which was a good tool to use for this style,excuse the pun.
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Appleton is still very highly regarded within the club and for very good reasons. From what I know his coaching methods are sound, he’s thoughtful, a ‘thinker’ of the game, a motivator, he’s straight with players - which they respect and has good inter personal skills. From what I know, from someone who has worked alongside him, is that he has the unique ability to strike fear into an individual yet still be well liked at the same time, he can do the arm around shoulder bit but can also dish out the hairdryer treatment.
If Appleton is appointed, which by the way I don’t think he will be (maybe next time) people have to trust the people who are making the appointment. It’s a decision that will have been highly scrutinised, these people haven’t let us down on the recruitment front for many years, and they will know Appleton’s strengths and weaknesses inside out. Whoever is appointed will be appointed in the best interests of West Bromwich Albion, so have some faith, these people know what they are doing.
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looks like things could get a little Lionel!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2148439/Birmingham-City-warn-West-Brom-Chris-Hughton.html
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looks like things could get a little Lionel!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2148439/Birmingham-City-warn-West-Brom-Chris-Hughton.html
They're hardly likely to say come and get him though are they?
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It says they will consider it hostile if we don't go through official channels, let's go through official channels then. No problem.
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Jeremy Peace v Peter Pannu ;D. Go on JP ! :P
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No no no, this is a common mis-conception, we appointed RH before talks got going with CH, nothing to do with backroom staff was ever discussed, talks with CH just never got that far !
Thats a myth so i have been told, Talks with CH got very far, he spoke with them contract talks had gone well and thats from a very good source to say the least ( im not one who has any ITK posts or anything before)
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Southgate being linked now! NOOOOOOO!!!!
Southgate did meet Peace and Ashworth but apparently it was to discuss the Elite Player Performance Plan
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Have the Daily Mail ever written anything positive about West Brom?? >:(
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Have the Daily Mail ever written anything positive about West Brom?? >:(
Even Wolves away this season we were lucky to win ;D
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The very interesting point for me would be when these comments from Blues were made. IF it was yesterday then that means they have not been approach by us therefore someone else must be in the frame.
Interesting to say the least.
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I wonder why we have not yet got someone in post. DA shot himself in the foot a little by saying we are always monitoring potential Head Coaches so when the time comes we should easily be able to knock up a short list.
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I wonder why we have not yet got someone in post. DA shot himself in the foot a little by saying we are always monitoring potential Head Coaches so when the time comes we should easily be able to knock up a short list.
If you remember back to last January we had approached/ lined up 49 different strikers too and just about got Vela on loan! Just because we identify a good fit doesnt make it a done deal that is merely the beginning, we know the wheels are in motion as talks with Ranieri were confirmed.
The big stumbling block with CH will not only be compensation for CH but also Calderwood, there is then the potential collapse of the Foster deal if we don't handle this 100% correctly, these will not be easy quick negotiations if we are set on CH.
I suppose managers are holding out for other jobs too as potentially there is Liverpool, WBA, Villa, Wigan, Chelsea and Norwich in the prem possibly having managerial vacancies coming up!!
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That article could just be a load of tosh to be fair. It's obvious they won't drive him here and give him to us. No direct quotes from the club in that article.
I think it's good the club are doing things behind closed doors but it can be frustrating for us!
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If you remember back to last January we had approached/ lined up 49 different strikers too and just about got Vela on loan! Just because we identify a good fit doesnt make it a done deal that is merely the beginning, we know the wheels are in motion as talks with Ranieri were confirmed.
The big stumbling block with CH will not only be compensation for CH but also Calderwood, there is then the potential collapse of the Foster deal if we don't handle this 100% correctly, these will not be easy quick negotiations if we are set on CH.
I suppose managers are holding out for other jobs too as potentially there is Liverpool, WBA, Villa, Wigan, Chelsea and Norwich in the prem possibly having managerial vacancies coming up!!
Isn't he out of contract the end of June? If so, compensation must be minimal and seeing as we have been given something by the FA for Hodgson then any pay outs by us would surely mean we break even in the worst case.
I understand what you are saying with regards to lining up coaches / strikers but when compiling a list of names potential Head Coaches I would have thought they will also have a section which says 'likely hood of signing with us' which would eliminate having to sound them out.
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maybe Blues want Albion t approach now so Blues get a little bit of compo.
IF Hughtons contract ends at the end of this month, Albion may have gone straight to him and said you are our first choice, but we'll deal with everything officially once you leave Blues.
I reckon Hughton is a done deal. July 1st he'll start. Thats my guess.
(We'll get someone random now!)
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He's on 12 month rolling contract and someone had previously said that would be complicated but I don't know how it works.
Someone starting July 1st would be a disaster, just over a month to prepare....
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He's on 12 month rolling contract and someone had previously said that would be complicated but I don't know how it works.
Someone starting July 1st would be a disaster, just over a month to prepare....
There's no way that would happen.
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There's no way that would happen.
Don't hold your breath.
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The situation would appear to be that Hughton is our number one choice and we would have to buy 12 months of his contract out which is £750,000. However Birmingham are digging their heals in and if they do not give permission for us to speak to him and if Hughton does not force the issue himself then frankly it is game over.
There is the added complication of our desire to sign Foster which is another good reason for not annoying the Blues board more than is strictly necessary.
All that said Birmingham remain in dire financial straits and if they have to sell players to get by and the transfer embargo continues (and that will only be lifted when the accounts are published) then a tough job has become impossible so at that stage Hughton might walk. However this might take time to unfold and I am not sure that we can afford to play the long game if it runs past the end of the month.
I am sure that whilst formal no approach has been made initial contact has been made with the Blues hierarchy and Hughton's agent. Dan and Jeremy are now weighing up their options and probably looking at plan B. However all of the above is pure speculation because unlike some clubs I could mention we get on with things quietly so if we get a setback no one knows for sure that our new coach was not our number 1 choice. Whoever takes the Villa job knows he was 2nd choice to OSG.
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And third choice to Lambert, who has just said he is happy at Norwich and doesn;t want to join Villa.
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And third choice to Lambert, who has just said he is happy at Norwich and doesn;t want to join Villa.
See another good reason for doing things quietly is that if we do not release names that we are interested in then the names concerned are not under any obligation to say anything in public either, like Lambert and Rodgers in the case of Villa and Liverpool.
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I hope we're not stalling over Hughton for the sake of £750k.
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Just to prove we are keeping it all under the radar, no one has even mentioned this name (Ralf Rangnick) at any stage yet Albion have looked at him and moved on as part of their due diligence
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/23/west-bromwich-albion-german-coach-was-considered-for-albion-post-97319-31028232/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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It's all posturing from BCFC.
The bid is only hostile if Hughton doesn't want to come to WBA, & you would think with our "due dilligence" that we would have checked that out first.
As far as Foster is concerned, it's just a question of price, there's no way he's going back to BCFC to play in the championship. There are a number of decent keepers around at the moment & no club is going to pay more than they have to, so I can't see that the price will be a problem.
Finally, the report is saying that Pannu & Carsen Yeung are becoming angry about the potential WBA bid: pretty sure JP doesn't respond well to threats either.
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As per my previous posts..
I still think theres a rabbit to be pulled out the hat.
Chris Leposwki twitter said we looked at Ragnick the german coach at the early stages, not once has he been mentioned or bookies even have him on their list.
Still think were going to be suprised by whatever appoint is made.
Personally, I feel Hughton would have been wrapped up by now IF he was the man we wanted.
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Just to prove we are keeping it all under the radar, no one has even mentioned this name (Ralf Rangnick) at any stage yet Albion have looked at him and moved on as part of their due diligence
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/23/west-bromwich-albion-german-coach-was-considered-for-albion-post-97319-31028232/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I did ;D
Who in Europe attracts anyone?
The only names I know of and can think that are available are the likes of Michael Laudrup and Ralf Rangnick.
Don't know why they didn't take it further with him to be honest. Good managerial track record in a league as close as to the Premier League you can get and studied over here at university.
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I cant see appletons name on the list? Or am i being thick? I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's who we get. I like the whole cards close to chest thing but man this is taking aaaages!
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As per my previous posts..
I still think theres a rabbit to be pulled out the hat.
Chris Leposwki twitter said we looked at Ragnick the german coach at the early stages, not once has he been mentioned or bookies even have him on their list.
Still think were going to be suprised by whatever appoint is made.
Personally, I feel Hughton would have been wrapped up by now IF he was the man we wanted.
All of JP's appointments have been a surprise IMO.
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To overlook someone with experience such as Ragnick and then keep Appleton in the frame is beyond confusing
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To overlook someone with experience such as Ragnick and then keep Appleton in the frame is beyond confusing
Just have to have faith they know what their doing quietly behind the scenes.
Mowbray-Play offs,title...lost it in Premier
RDM -Got us up and one foot in the Premier before that bad run
Roy-Got us safe,11th then 10th place finish.
Now i know all had down sides but those stats alone give me faith they know what their doing.
Patience guys.
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Anyone get that feeling that a shock apointment could be made ? I have a sneeky feeling we may go for Gus Poyet. I just cant see us getting Hughton due to the fact we want Foster. If we annoyed the blues by taking there manager then i cant seem them selling Foster to us. Foster or Hughton ? The club seem to like Martinez but he could be off to the scousers. But you never know :-\
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Anyone get that feeling that a shock apointment could be made ? I have a sneeky feeling we may go for Gus Poyet. I just cant see us getting Hughton due to the fact we want Foster. If we annoyed the blues by taking there manager then i cant seem them selling Foster to us. Foster or Hughton ? The club seem to like Martinez but he could be off to the scousers. But you never know :-\
Blues will sell Foster to whoever offers them the most money. They're a business, businesses don't do petty spite, especially ones in financial trouble who desperately need cash. Trying to get Hughton won't make any difference whatsoever to the Foster deal.
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To overlook someone with experience such as Ragnick and then keep Appleton in the frame is beyond confusing
We dont know appletons on the list though do we. We never knew about this german guy until now!
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According to AVB's agent, he is looking for a solid and durable club. What club is more solid and durable than the Good Ship Albion?!
Goncalves told romagiallorossa.com: "Liverpool and Roma? Well, what we are looking for is a [club with a] strong technical plan, that is solid and durable.
It makes sense André, just stop fighting it you hussy!
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Blues will sell Foster to whoever offers them the most money. They're a business, businesses don't do petty spite, especially ones in financial trouble who desperately need cash. Trying to get Hughton won't make any difference whatsoever to the Foster deal.
You are generally right however there is the small matter of the player who does not want to move from Leamington. QPR and Spurs would be appear to be the most likely bidders aside from ourselves the player is within his rights to turn down a move and then Birmingham would be stuck with his wages for 12 months and then he would be free to sign for us on a free (assuming we are still in the Premier League and we want him).
Plainly to get another deal together Foster will need his arm twisting so for the sake of a smooth transaction the line of least resistance is a deal with ourselves however if we plunder them for their manager they might take a tougher approach when it comes to the sale of Foster. I think we got in the first place because Blues dug their heals in at the suggestion that he joined Mcleish at Villa because of the bruising negotiations about compensation for their former manager. So it is not solely about the money relationships matter.
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How pathetic are the comments by the blue noses on the mail. I know which position I would rather be in, the fella posting albion havnt had many nights like the Carling cup semi or Europe like we've had in the last 20 years well the way your going pal you'l be lucky to have any nights of football coming up in the next 20 years.
I still think there's something brewing, if we really wanted Hughton we would dig in and offer the blues a reasonable package, but seen as we have made no official offer yet im beginning to doubt if he's our man.
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Why don't people just allow things to develop? JP and DA aren't idiots they are working on filling the vacant position best they can. From past experience we know that when things become official they are basically concluded. We simply don't negotiate through the media, so when the media reports that we have made an official enquiry for Hughton I will read it as we have succesfully negotiated his release.
Personally I think Blues will find it is damn hard to fight without money. Only real obstacle is if Hughton wants to stay with the Blues for whatever reason.
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Been reading into Ralf Rangnick's career, looks a quality appointment if we get him.
I read an article about him after Schalke played Man Utd in the Champions League in the paper and only realised it was him recently!
Definitely has my backing.
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Been reading into Ralf Rangnick's career, looks a quality appointment if we get him.
I read an article about him after Schalke played Man Utd in the Champions League in the paper and only realised it was him recently!
Definitely has my backing.
He's been ruled out.
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He's been ruled out.
Says who? The Birmingham Mail? They knows just as little as the rest of us mate. I'm certainly not ruling him out, the Mail's word isn't exactly gospel. There's just as much chance of him getting the job as Hughton, unless you can prove otherwise?
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Says who? The Birmingham Mail? They knows just as little as the rest of us mate. I'm certainly not ruling him out, the Mail's word isn't exactly gospel. There's just as much chance of him getting the job as Hughton, unless you can prove otherwise?
They know more than the average fan I'm sure. Yes, we keep our cards close to our chest but Lepkowski is a reputable journalist and he would not rule anyone out unless he had it on good authority.
P.S - I'm not Lepko ;D
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if there's one person i think i can trust in this scenario, it's Lepko. Unless someone wants to tell me who they know on the Albion board by name so we know they are telling the truth.
Lepko maybe wrong but i'm not going to rule him out as he knows vastly more than we do.
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if there's one person i think i can trust in this scenario, it's Lepko. Unless someone wants to tell me who they know on the Albion board by name so we know they are telling the truth.
Lepko maybe wrong but i'm not going to rule him out as he knows vastly more than we do.
And for others to suggest otherwise is frankly ridiculous!
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i guess heres no reason we wouldnt go back to him if hughton fails/martinez is a non starter and we cant get lambert and the board realise appleton wouldnt please the fans but i guess as things stand he's out of the running!
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I think we've been spolied a little with Hodgson. He was the right man at the right time and it happened fairly quickly. This time however, is slightly different as the person that we maybe interested in might already be employed.
I think we expect things to happen straight away just because as a club we've known for some time about Hodgson's situation. Reality is, we are relient on other factors, Hughton for example maybe playing hardball and has nothing to do with Blues, (if that's who we are actually interested in I don't know).
There is a lot of stuff we do not know at this point with many posibilities and to suggest anything else at this point is clutching at straws.
Come middle of June and we still haven't got a man in place i'll start to worry, up until then nothing really happens around the club anyway and transfers are notoriously late when a summer competition is on anyway.
Chill and enjoy the weather! ;)
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From the weekly chat Lepper does he thought it interesting to address that some of Bham's admins are in Honk Kong so there is a very short time when we are able to speak to those members due to the time difference. It's a very small but quite good point.
Also he doesn't know why Rangnick was refused but he guessed it may be either because he hasn't worked in England or that he may not speak english to a high enough standard or not at all.
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Im starting to wonder why it is taking this long to get anywhere with this. It is the summer and very little goes on in the first month after a season so we dont have to panic but it is getting close to a month since we started the search and despite a few talks with the likes of Ranieri, Rangnick and maybe Keane, we are still waiting. Im sure by the end of the month something will have happened but the longer it goes on the less time the new coach has to fit in and discuss the summer plans with Peace, Ashworth and his team.
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Im starting to wonder why it is taking this long to get anywhere with this.
Same here. Might Peace be away on holiday, which has happened in the past when there have been important issues to resolve? I am concerned that another club will come in for our main target and we'll lose out through dragging our feet. Time to bring this to a conclusion now so that we can get on with planning for next season.
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Same here. Might Peace be away on holiday, which has happened in the past when there have been important issues to resolve? I am concerned that another club will come in for our main target and we'll lose out through dragging our feet. Time to bring this to a conclusion now so that we can get on with planning for next season.
He is not on holiday, he met Southgate on Monday and even if he was, he is not on an island with no internet connection.
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Wow! Birmingham City in the league lower than the Albion, who will be there for another 12 months must have the most wonderful manager!
How can't the Albion get this giant of football to come to us? Without him we are doomed!
Yes its tongue in cheek but dear oh dear get a life! Hughton, or whatever his name is, is not the saviour. He may well be our next manager but come 2 defeats and we haven't scored a goal then it will be the same as some of the comets about RH!
Just as everything it will happen when it happens and although some of you may think you can put it all right it will be JP who does it for us so please lets talk about about the weather! ;)
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Same here. Might Peace be away on holiday,
Does JP not own a mobile phone? I know he's tight (quite rightly) but he ain't that hard up :P
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He's been ruled out.
I do agree Chris Lepkowski is a good reliable source for credible journalism however from an Albion point of view, to dismiss Ralf Rangnick and then keep tabs on Michael Appleton seems absurd.
Rangnick has been managing since 1983. So that's 29 years experience compared to Appleton's 6 months for a start. He has experience of taking over mid-table clubs and improving them as well as winning promotion to the Bundesliga at 2 different sides at the first time of asking, not to forget taking Schalke 04 to the semi finals of the UEFA Champions league last season, defeating the then current holders Inter Milan in the quarter finals; then subsequently missing out on a place in the final to Manchester United.
Compare this with Appleton's hard luck story from Portsmouth and its a no brainier :o
The guy actually came out and said he was keen on the job too!
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I doubt if Rangnick would have been ruled out because of his english as he took a year's course in English at Sussex University. But if he's managed Schalke 04 twice that's a big job. Schalke are probably the 3rd biggest club in Germany, regularly getting 60,000 crowds. He also got Hoffenheim, a small town club, up into the Bundesliga. However, he quit the last time through being burned out! If he can't handle stress, being coach of a Prem. club might not suit.
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I doubt if Rangnick would have been ruled out because of his english as he took a year's course in English at Sussex University. But if he's managed Schalke 04 twice that's a big job. Schalke are probably the 3rd biggest club in Germany, regularly getting 60,000 crowds. He also got Hoffenheim, a small town club, up into the Bundesliga. However, he quit the last time through being burned out! If he can't handle stress, being coach of a Prem. club might not suit.
Yeah, you can't be half bad at English if you read Dickens for a year and learned to be an English teacher. ;D
He left because of a post-viral fatigue syndrom apparently. Not sure whether it was related to stress.
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Have it from a very good source Ray Wilkins was at the Hawthornes yesterday (Tuesday).
The person said it looked quite official.
Any clues on this one.
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The club seems to host a lot of events where coaches or managers are in attendance so its likely it was because of something like that if he was actually there. When it comes to discussing the managerial position things will be done away from the ground and probably even away from the club itself, you often hear of talks taking place in hotels.
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I agree, especially having an extension of the boardroom in London.
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I really hope he is not coming to our club in any shape or form, if there is one bloke i cant stand its this man after his time on sky
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I agree with B_H Baggie, the ground is host to a lot of events and meetings at the moment hence why Southgate was there start of the week etc.
Only need to see a potential manager there and the press will assume hes the new favourite.
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I agree with B_H Baggie, the ground is host to a lot of events and meetings at the moment hence why Southgate was there start of the week etc.
Only need to see a potential manager there and the press will assume hes the new favourite.
I bet his odds have shortened because of his visit :D
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If he came in as a assistant head coach or something i would be very happy. he was pivotal at chelsea and very much liked by the players. who cares if you don't like him?
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If he came in as a assistant head coach or something i would be very happy. he was pivotal at chelsea and very much liked by the players. who cares if you don't like him?
Well i like him and having him at the Albion as a coach would be such a catch.I have always said him and Hoddle would be my dream team
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Did he not work under ranieri when he was at Chelsea? Ranieri head coach, Wilkins his assistant anyone?
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Well i like him and having him at the Albion as a coach would be such a catch.I have always said him and Hoddle would be my dream team
I don't get why Hoddle is well liked as a potential manager, he didnt do nothing at them over the border aka wolves. Not much with tottenham and I was too young to remember his Chelsea days. Not the right option in my mind.
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AVB's odds are dropping again, he wouldn't would he? ???
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AVB's odds are dropping again, he wouldn't would he? ???
I bloody hope so, means 500 quid comes my way :P
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Hes been ruled out at Livepool
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I bloody hope so, means 500 quid comes my way :P
You took my advice then when i told you about the little birdie.Drinks might be on you at the Devon supporters night out in Torquay then ;)
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You took my advice then when i told you about the little birdie.Drinks might be on you at the Devon supporters night out in Torquay then ;)
That'd be 500 quid gone in a night then ;D
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That'd be 500 quid gone in a night then ;D
Use it when we go to Sweden ;) by god you will need it and the rest
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Hoddle - no thanks too, Wilkins could accept in some role, but I think this is a red herring.
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Hoddle and Wilkins sounds nearly as sexy as my preferred choice Ian Holloway but i will be content if its Hughton :D
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Wilkins maybe as coach but dont even mention Hoddle, that is one bloke I hate more than Ian Holloway : >:(
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If you see somebody at the ground it actually rules them out. If he's likely to become the next manager/coach do you think he'd be wandering around the ground? It's terrific that Wilkins and Southgate are now ruled out!
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According to them lot on the mix we are interviewing Steve Clarke?
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According to them lot on the mix we are interviewing Steve Clarke?
Lee Clark has been mentioned a few times but not seen Steve Clarke mentioned anywhere
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On the plus side we haven't been paying a managers salary for nearly a month now - so that's got to be a good few quid in the piggy bank.
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Lee Clark has been mentioned a few times but not seen Steve Clarke mentioned anywhere
Its titled the Steve Clarke thread :), creator Cruyff Wulf
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Must be true then :D
He's still at Liverpool at the moment as far as I know.
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Its titled the Steve Clarke thread :) , creator Cruyff Wulf
Add a link will you mate. Dont want to spend any longer than I have to on there. ;D
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Add a link will you mate. Dont want to spend any longer than I have to on there. ;D
Sorry i am not Computer literate, i wouldnt have a clue where to start with a link.Just a few clicks and you are there.It would appear they are more ITK than us :D
Clarke left Liverpool a few weeks ago
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Must be true then :D
He's still at Liverpool at the moment as far as I know.
Quit out of loyalty for dogleash about a week ago
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He resigned yesterday after Dalglish was sacked.
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*Edit. Seriously? This post got deleted? Ridiculous. All I was showing was that it had already been mentioned about Clarke resigning. Sometimes words aren't needed to make a relevant post.
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*Edit. Seriously? This post got deleted? Ridiculous. All I was showing was that it had already been mentioned about Clarke resigning. Sometimes words aren't needed to make a relevant post.
Your post was edited because all it contained was a smiley.
It offers nothing to a discussion and is a pointless post.
Getting past a joke with people questioning mod/admin decisions so a note to all abide by the rules or lose your posting privileges.
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Define pointless: Adjective: 1.Having little or no sense, use, or purpose.
My post had a point. That point being that people on this board already had knowledge of Clarke resigning as well as those on the Mix. The most succint way of doing it was to quote the previous post regarding Clarke. No words were necessary to make my point. What was meant as a light hearted and harmless post with a very definite point got deleted and.. I can't be bothered finishing this post because it too will probably get deleted now for not being relevant or not adding anything to the discussion.
I have never questioned the actions of the mods on here in fact I think in the main you do a great job. This is definitely the best moderated forum I have ever seen. I just felt you missed the point of my post.
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Define pointless: Adjective: 1.Having little or no sense, use, or purpose.
My post had a point. That point being that people on this board already had knowledge of Clarke resigning as well as those on the Mix. The most succint way of doing it was to quote the previous post regarding Clarke. No words were necessary to make my point. What was meant as a light hearted and harmless post with a very definite point got deleted and.. I can't be bothered finishing this post because it too will probably get deleted now for not being relevant or not adding anything to the discussion.
But you have finished your post! ;D
Your post was edited because all it contained was a smiley.
It offers nothing to a discussion and is a pointless post.
Getting past a joke with people questioning mod/admin decisions so a note to all abide by the rules or lose your posting privileges.
Miserable git! I could do you job in half the time you do ;)
Clarke/Clark or whatever! No thanks! Not for us!
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Touche! But I didn't finish my point. That would have been more apt.
*ediy. Just to re-iterate: I have never questioned the actions of the mods on here in fact I think in the main you do a great job. This is definitely the best moderated forum I have ever seen. I just felt you missed the point of my post. Don't ban me. Pretty please! :D
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Please do not post one word posts, if you agree/disagree with a fellow poster please explain why instead of just 'agreed' etc.
From WestBrom.com forum rules.
and before anyone comes the smartarse by saying a smiley is not a word, you know the score so don't come the smartarse :D
Also theres one about arguing with mod/admin decisions so I suggest it is noted from this point forth.
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Would it have been better if I said 'I refer the right honourable gentleman to the comment posted a while ago'?
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Yes, much better :D
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Cool. I've moderated forums in the past and know what a thankless task it can be. But you guys do a stand up job keeping the riff raff off here and monitoring the standard of posts both in content and style.
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My word, I hope not
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Doesn't he like the drink a bit too much?
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So not really any new news today then? hoped to get home from work to a couple more pages of excitement but its just moderating stuff!
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I also continue to monitor the thread regularly for some positive movement or news. Time continues to tick by and those that need to make what is the most critical of decisions for quite a long time at B71 are either.... agonising over the options or waiting for certain other events to become clear. I feel confident they will ultimately make the right appointment/s but as it is such a critical decision it feels like its taking forever from the outside. I remain hopeful of being pleased once an appointment is announced.
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Just can't understand why they haven't yet approached Blues about Hughton. Might be linked to wanting to wait (if ever) for their finances to be published, but from an Albion point of view surely this would be the best time to go in for him, due to the amount of uncertainty surrounding the club at the minute?
The longer it goes on the more I think we are going to pull the rabbit out the hat.
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Ive got a feeling the club are more cautious on who becomes available, with the Liverpool and Villa Jobs also available ( not to mention the chelsea job) I think we dont want to make a quick decision in case a new name becomes available for instance.
I.E last season when Hodgson became available.
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AVB's odds are dropping again, he wouldn't would he? ???
Chris Lepkowski mentioned his agent was contacted by WBA on the live chat earlier, part of the due diligence and all that I guess.
Has been ruled out of the Liverpool job today too. A lot of things seem to affect the odds. A hell of a lot of money must of been put on him to make him 5th favorite with the bookies.
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Chris Lepkowski mentioned his agent was contacted by WBA on the live chat earlier, part of the due diligence and all that I guess.
Has been ruled out of the Liverpool job today too. A lot of things seem to affect the odds. A hell of a lot of money must of been put on him to make him 5th favorite with the bookies.
I think he said "I dont know if his agent was contacted early on". Nobody has said i his agent was or wasnt - only that he is not in the running and more than Pep Guardiola is.
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The tone in the local media has changed to a less certain one. At the end of last week, they were expecting an approach for Hughton in the next few days. Now we are hearing that they think he is still the main man but people like Ranieri might be back in the running and even the name of Michael Appleton is being mentioned.
The local media seem as unsure as everybody else. The club are certainly keeping things close to their chest. I wonder if the compensation for Hughton is putting us off? I think we need to expect to pay a bit for him - he wont come for free.
Hopefully we get this sorted soon but it looks like it will be next week now before we make an approach for somebody.
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The tone in the local media has changed to a less certain one. At the end of last week, they were expecting an approach for Hughton in the next few days. Now we are hearing that they think he is still the main man but people like Ranieri might be back in the running and even the name of Michael Appleton is being mentioned.
The local media seem as unsure as everybody else. The club are certainly keeping things close to their chest. I wonder if the compensation for Hughton is putting us off? I think we need to expect to pay a bit for him - he wont come for free.
Hopefully we get this sorted soon but it looks like it will be next week now before we make an approach for somebody.
People like CL are fed choice morsels of information when it suits the club. It wouldn't surprise me if the only people who truly know what is going on is JP and DA and maybe one or, at the most, two people more. That way the risk of leaks is minimized.
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The longer this goes, the more and more I see us pulling a rabbit out of the hat and going for someone who has hardly been mentioned or disappeared off the radar after initial links with the job.
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The longer this goes, the more and more I see us pulling a rabbit out of the hat and going for someone who has hardly been mentioned or disappeared off the radar after initial links with the job.
When we appointed Roy it suddenly came out and I can`t recall any news of us talking to him beforehand. The longer this goes on I get the feeling wer`e not going to approach Blues about Hughton
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The longer this goes, the more and more I see us pulling a rabbit out of the hat and going for someone who has hardly been mentioned or disappeared off the radar after initial links with the job.
I personally think the delay is because we are waiting to see how the Martinez/Liverpool situation pans out, if it materialises we will opt for Hughton, just a theory though.
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I bloody hope so, means 500 quid comes my way :P
stop thinking through your pocket :D
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We've had further talks with Ranieri according to the Birmingham Mail
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We've had further talks with Ranieri according to the Birmingham Mail
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/24/west-brom-hold-further-talks-with-claudio-ranieri-97319-31041538/ (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/24/west-brom-hold-further-talks-with-claudio-ranieri-97319-31041538/)
WEST Bromwich Albion have today held further talks with Italian Claudio Ranieri.
The 60-year-old met Baggies officials for a formal discussion at the club's London offices.
Albion held an informal chat with the out-of-work ex-Chelsea boss a fortnight ago.
Early indications were the experienced Ranieri had slipped off the radar - he has spoken to Fiorentina since his initial meeting with Albion - but he was called back for further talks today.
The latest development indicates that Albion are stepping up their search for Roy Hodgson's successor.
The club have insisted they will have someone in place by the end of the month.
Although Ranieri was called for more discussions, it is by no means an indication that he will be offered the job.
I understand there are talks planned with other candidates.
Ranieri's status as an unemployed boss makes him an easy candidate to speak to as Albion do not need to go through the procedure of asking another club for permission.
However, Albion have cast their net wide during this process - also sounding out the representatives of managers who are currently employed elsewhere.
Chris Hughton of Blues remains highly thought of by the club's hierarchy, although Albion have yet to make any formal approaches for him.
Blues have made it clear they will not welcome any approach from the Baggies.
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interesting! the biggest development yet. considering we have had a formal discussion with ranieri and none at all with hughton....
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interesting! the biggest development yet. considering we have had a formal discussion with ranieri and none at all with hughton....
We would probably need to approach Blues first in order for that to happen. Ranieri is out of contract.
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yeah but you'd have thought if hughton was 1st choice we'd have made an approach
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just a thought, but if hughton is on a rolling 12 month contract, when does the first 12 months finish and is he then technically a free agent, meaning we wouldn't need to ask blues for permission? just a thought. Wondering if this is the delay.
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just a thought, but if hughton is on a rolling 12 month contract, when does the first 12 months finish and is he then technically a free agent, meaning we wouldn't need to ask blues for permission? just a thought. Wondering if this is the delay.
I may be wrong but my understanding is as its a rolling contract it will mean he always has 12 months left on it so he wont be a free agent at all.
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I may be wrong but my understanding is as its a rolling contract it will mean he always has 12 months left on it so he wont be a free agent at all.
Yeah you are right.
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I may be wrong but my understanding is as its a rolling contract it will mean he always has 12 months left on it so he wont be a free agent at all.
Correct as the rolling contract is in the club's favour. Unless they officially release him he is still under obligation at the Blues even if he comes to the end of the 12 months.
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I personally think the delay is because we are waiting to see how the Martinez/Liverpool situation pans out, if it materialises we will opt for Hughton, just a theory though.
Personally i think the delay is not a delay, they have said from the beginning that they planned for the end of the month. we dont know if or when other managers have been contacted. Hughton may have had talks but no sources caught wind. How long did it take to find out about Rangnick? The Hughton favorite stuff maybe a screen in the first place. How are we to know?
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Ranieri excites me, a real progressive statement if we appoint him.
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ok, just misunderstood the situation
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Ranieri excites me, a real progressive statement if we appoint him.
Same. I have just not dared allow myself to hope we'd get him.
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It also shows that despite the quietness in the press the club are working to get the best candidate rather than the quickest.
If it was down to some fans we would of appointed the easiest option for the sake of speed when there really isn't a rush with a month before things move again.
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Same. I have just not dared allow myself to hope we'd get him.
Exactly the same mate, never really thought about him because I didnt think we had a chance, but he does excite me a lot!
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It's a big risk but if the owners feel he is the right man then we need to trust their judgement.
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I'll be honest I'm delighted with the way the club are going about their business. It is clear that they are doing all they can to make sure they approach and appoint the right man for the job, very little has leaked to the press but even when it has it hasn't come from our club. I would much rather it be that way than have it plastered all over the news like the OGS stuff was with Villa last week.
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Ranieri excites me, a real progressive statement if we appoint him.
Same here and him returning for formal talks shows that hes actually interested which is what worried me because I felt we might have been a back up option for him where he may not be fully behind the plans the club have.
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Nice to hear our `London Office(s)???) get a mention for once. 8)
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I'm delighted that Ranieri has came back for further talks. As pointed out above, the fact he's come back must show an obvious interest in the club and one we'd be foolish to turn down in my opinion. An important factor also if he was to be appointed, Peace must stick to his guns and not allow himself to be bullied by the name. If Ranieri is appointed and trys to force Peace's hand in the transfer market he should quite rightly refuse it. Let's carry on with what has worked so far, only with a different manager. If Ranieri doesn't agree with how we work, we should ignore him and appoint someone who accepts our approach.
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Take it with a pinch of salt folks. Afterall, Chris Lepkowski knows no more than your average fan....apparently ;) ;D
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Ranieri would be a massive coup for us, even bigger than Hodgson IMO.
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No doubt about it Ranieri is a respected top football coach with massive experience. That he is interested shows what progress we have made. Would be a superb appointment. If JP pulls this one off I tip my hat to him. The added Kudos he will bring can only help with player retention and recruitment also.
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Chris Hughton's odds of becoming the next West Brom manager are now just 4/5 with Betfair. A week or so ago Hughton was a red hot 1/14 with one bookie. This would suggest that Ranieri, or someone else, is still very much in the frame.
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His managerial record as a No. 1 is pretty bad I think - far worse than Hoddle. Would imagine he'd be an expensive assistant.
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Maybe Wilkins providing input on Ranieri?
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When his name was first mentioned I was quite pleased with the Ranieri link at the start of the month but the reaction of the Fiorentina fans a few weeks ago when they were considering naming him their manager has made me a little concerned. Why would fans of a mid table Italian club protest when presented with him as their choice? They will know more about him than us having managed most of his career in Italy - it isnt a good sign to me. Before people jump on me, I dont have any opinion on him and ive always liked him as a bloke. His past clubs list is not too bad either having managed top clubs fo years but I am a bit cautious when looking at him now.
I think these talks though means there has been no decision yet. It could be Hughton, it could be Ranieri, It could be Appleton (although id still be surprised) and it could even be somebody like Rangnick, despite him being ruled out by the local press. It really is impossible to pick now. I have no idea who to go for.
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When his name was first mentioned I was quite pleased with the Ranieri link at the start of the month but the reaction of the Fiorentina fans a few weeks ago when they were considering naming him their manager has made me a little concerned. Why would fans of a mid table Italian club protest when presented with him as their choice? They will know more about him than us having managed most of his career in Italy - it isnt a good sign to me. Before people jump on me, I dont have any opinion on him and ive always liked him as a bloke. His past clubs list is not too bad either having managed top clubs fo years but I am a bit cautious when looking at him now.
I think these talks though means there has been no decision yet. It could be Hughton, it could be Ranieri, It could be Appleton (although id still be surprised) and it could even be somebody like Rangnick, despite him being ruled out by the local press. It really is impossible to pick now. I have no idea who to go for.
Even though he got them promoted in his first season there and won 2 italian cups managing fiorentina for 4 years. They probably don't like him because he left them to take over at Valencia.
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When his name was first mentioned I was quite pleased with the Ranieri link at the start of the month but the reaction of the Fiorentina fans a few weeks ago when they were considering naming him their manager has made me a little concerned. Why would fans of a mid table Italian club protest when presented with him as their choice? They will know more about him than us having managed most of his career in Italy - it isnt a good sign to me. Before people jump on me, I dont have any opinion on him and ive always liked him as a bloke. His past clubs list is not too bad either having managed top clubs fo years but I am a bit cautious when looking at him now.
I think these talks though means there has been no decision yet. It could be Hughton, it could be Ranieri, It could be Appleton (although id still be surprised) and it could even be somebody like Rangnick, despite him being ruled out by the local press. It really is impossible to pick now. I have no idea who to go for.
God knows the Tifosi Viola are notoriously volatile it wouldn't take much for them to kick off :D
I remain skeptical about Raneiri and I am not convinced he is the right coach for us at this moment. I cannot help thinking that having managed at the highest level Raneiri would soon get frustrated by the constraints of managing a club like ours.
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I'm delighted that Ranieri has came back for further talks. As pointed out above, the fact he's come back must show an obvious interest in the club and one we'd be foolish to turn down in my opinion. An important factor also if he was to be appointed, Peace must stick to his guns and not allow himself to be bullied by the name. If Ranieri is appointed and trys to force Peace's hand in the transfer market he should quite rightly refuse it. Let's carry on with what has worked so far, only with a different manager. If Ranieri doesn't agree with how we work, we should ignore him and appoint someone who accepts our approach.
Can't disagree with that. The manager has to understand the conditions. Peace will see to that though!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLR5esEK90Q
Made me laugh this, 'diplomatic answer' from Ranieri about the Albion job when he was first considered.
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Baggies close on Chris
IN THE BAGG ... Chris Hughton
By MATT PARKER
Published: 29 minutes ago
WEST BROM want Chris Hughton as their new boss after holding a series of secret interviews in London yesterday.
The decision to go for Hughton is sure to put Baggies on a collision course with Midlands rivals Birmingham who are fiercely opposed to losing their manager.
It is now likely the clubs will lock horns in a £1million compensation battle over the 53-year-old, who is currently on a 12-month rolling contract with the Blues.
SunSport can reveal Hughton emerged as Baggies’ top choice after a dramatic day of talks in the capital.
Claudio Ranieri was there for a second interview along with two mystery overseas bosses. Wigan’s Roberto Martinez was a candidate until Liverpool made their interest in him known.
After a day of deliberation West Brom sporting director Dan Ashworth has urged chairman Jeremy Peace to make an official move.
Birmingham can now expect contact within the next 48 hours but they will be hostile to any bid.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4336948/West-Brom-close-on-Chris-Hughton-after-secret-job-interviews.html
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Hope its not Hughton.
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The sun article is pure speculation. So dan has blabbed to the papers that he's told JP to make a move for Hughton - that rings true. They've got the little story of CR being interviewed, decided it's unlikely and made up the rest. I'd be happy with CH and probably CR (few reservations) but red tops just make up stories.
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"After a day of deliberation West Brom sporting director Dan Ashworth has urged chairman Jeremy Peace to make an official move" said the Sun.
I agree with Londonbaggymike; pure speculation.
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"After a day of deliberation West Brom sporting director Dan Ashworth has urged chairman Jeremy Peace to make an official move" said the Sun.
I agree with Londonbaggymike; pure speculation.
That would be ex technical director Dan Ashworth :) No don't think that is the way it works it is in the Sun so more than likely complete bollox. Love how the details of "secret" meetings find their way into the pages of Sun and other tabloids. I will go out a limb and say they have not got a clue what is going on.
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SunSport can reveal Hughton emerged as Baggies’ top choice after a dramatic day of talks in the capital.
Claudio Ranieri was there for a second interview along with two mystery overseas bosses. Wigan’s Roberto Martinez was a candidate until Liverpool made their interest in him known.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4336948/West-Brom-close-on-Chris-Hughton-after-secret-job-interviews.html
if they know the address of our London office, they probably have a security guard/secretary/copy boy on a pushbike, watching the front door of the building......
so the "mystery overseas bosses" were actually the cleaners for the office next door :)
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It's funny that they know CR was in for a formal sit down but have no idea who these other "mystery" men are. We all know CR was called in for a formal interview so that was nothing new and so they have to add the line about a few other mystery men but can't name names?? Give me a break they are clueless!!
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just a thought, but if hughton is on a rolling 12 month contract, when does the first 12 months finish and is he then technically a free agent, meaning we wouldn't need to ask blues for permission? just a thought. Wondering if this is the delay.
A 12 month rolling contract is just that!
He's always got a contract for 12 months wether it be from Jan or August. That, I assume, is the minimum level of compensation we would have to pay.
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Secret talks ? :D
but the Sun know about them.
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Its 12 months today, tomorrow, next week and next month.
I have a 6 month one which basically means if I leave I either work six months notice or my new employer has to pay six months money to them to release me or if they want rid of me they write me a cheque for the same.
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Doesn't he like the drink a bit too much?
Does Fergie drink Earl Gray with a nose like that?
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Not so sure about the Tinkerman with the crop of footballers at his disposal
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Cloughie enjoyed a drink ;)
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I do like the Tinkerman but I'm unsure about his management style and wouldn't really know what to expect, I've wanted Hughton from the start and this has not changed for me stand out candidate and ticks all the boxes. Would be happy with either but want Hughton more.
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I can't work out how CH has been for two job interviews with us when he is still under contract at the Blues and we, reportedly, have not yet made any approach to Blues.
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Where does it say anywhere that Hughton has had two interviews with us? I've seen that we have spoken to Ranieri twice but not Hughton. I have no doubt that we would have had talks with the representatives of Hughton but not any interview without permission to speak to him officially.
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Ranieri will know the financial restraints we are under and he would have been informed at the informal chat. For him to come back for a formal interview shows he is interested. Informally we would have sold the club to him and now formally its up to him to show us he the man for the job.
If we can pay £1 million pound compensation for Hughton then why not instead use that million to tempt a higher profile unattached Head Coach by giving him a higher wage. It doesn't make sense to pay £1 million pound compensation for Hughton plus then the same again each year when we could just pay Ranieri £2 million pounds per year.
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You are quite correct B_H_Baggie. I was just about to delete my post when I saw yours.
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After interviewing CR formally now, I think Hughton will be a big step backwards. If CR is interested, and everything fits, offer it him!
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After interviewing CR formally now, I think Hughton will be a big step backwards. If CR is interested, and everything fits, offer it him!
It has to be the right thing for the club. We can't just go for a higher profile name for the sake of it we have to get the right man for the job.
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Chris lepkowski wrote last saturday that an approach for hughton will be made 'in SEVEN' days' the seven bit was later removed from the website. Strange thing, for cl to make such a statement, with a time frame? if he did not truly believe it. He went as far as to reply to comments made which accussed him of knowing nothing, he replied' i know this to be true'. Well, today is the seventh day, i hope cl is right, other than ch, and avb i dont see any other candidates, maybe holloway. Anyone notice the odemwingie bit, wants to leave apparently
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After interviewing CR formally now, I think Hughton will be a big step backwards. If CR is interested, and everything fits, offer it him!
While I do think that Ranieri would be a decent appointment I can't help feeling that Hughton is the better "fit" for the club. Ranieri has been managing some of the world's very best over the years with money for players rarely being a problem, so I do wonder how well he would work within the structure at our club. Whereas Hughton knows all about WBA and their financial constraints and is used to working within similar boundaries.
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Talk sport just mentioned he did have talks with us
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Talk sport just mentioned he did have talks with us
Link here
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/120525/wilkins-confirms-west-brom-talks-172925
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Apparently spoken to Ray Wilkins recently - Talksport,sounds authentic ::)
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Apparently spoken to Ray Wilkins recently - Talksport,sounds authentic ::)
Silly me, justnoticed a thread mentioning same :-X
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To be fair to Wilkins he is very well thought of as a coach, supposedly one of the best and most respected around and with us ultimately looking for a head coach and not a manager maybe he ticks the boxes.
Possibly Appleton (the apprentice) in as head coach with Wilkin (the master - so to speak) alongside him?
What i would say is that i am not sure it will help his or Ranieri chances them going or their representatives going public saying they have been interviewed, i dont think thats how JP rolls, he isnt like Dave Whelan who is in the media everyday for a Martinez update (apparently Whelan said he dont think Liverpool are the right club for Martinez, thats Liverpool, Villa and Us he has said that about the last week!)
I am all for him wanting to keep his manager but not sure dismissing every other club going is the way to do it!
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A head coach is a different kettle of fish though. They are still responsible for tactics and team selection and formations etc,. While RW is a good 'coach' I'd worry if he gets the job as Head Coach.
Could it be possible though that Ranieri would be head coach and Wilkins as part of the team along with Downing and Kiely?
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A head coach is a different kettle of fish though. They are still responsible for tactics and team selection and formations etc,. While RW is a good 'coach' I'd worry if he gets the job as Head Coach.
Could it be possible though that Ranieri would be head coach and Wilkins as part of the team along with Downing and Kiely?
Now you are talking
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A head coach is a different kettle of fish though. They are still responsible for tactics and team selection and formations etc,. While RW is a good 'coach' I'd worry if he gets the job as Head Coach.
Could it be possible though that Ranieri would be head coach and Wilkins as part of the team along with Downing and Kiely?
That's exactly what I thought when I read the talksport article. We would have a backroom team as long as Spurs! :D
I certainly wouldn't grumble at the double team of Ranieri & Wilkins.
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Thats what i thought Kris Boing, i couldnt see Wilkins being the main man but alongside somebody younger thats why i thought maybe Wilkins and Appleton.
I would imagine that Appletons compensation (if due any), wages and Wilkins wages would still be cheaper than Ranieri! JP will have his calculator out!
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While I do think that Ranieri would be a decent appointment I can't help feeling that Hughton is the better "fit" for the club. Ranieri has been managing some of the world's very best over the years with money for players rarely being a problem, so I do wonder how well he would work within the structure at our club. Whereas Hughton knows all about WBA and their financial constraints and is used to working within similar boundaries.
I agree with this. Perhaps Ranieri would give the club a kind of boost in our progression rather than the steady upward curve we're in, perhaps.
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Chris Hughton on talk sport now, talking about their goalkeeper, hopefully keys and gray will try to get some info
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Im gutted i didnt get chance to look at the betting markets over the past 2 days, Hughton odds dropped to 1.03 to lay, I would of had a lot of that if i had of known,
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Chris Hughton on talk sport now, talking about their goalkeeper, hopefully keys and gray will try to get some info
Not a dickie bird
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A Wilkins Ranieri dream team would tick the boxes of most on here I would imagine.
It looks feasible as well, Wilkins having had 3 years in Italy so would, I suspect, have a command of the Italian language.
mmmmm my funny bones tickling at the minute
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Chris Hughton on talk sport now, talking about their goalkeeper, hopefully keys and gray will try to get some info
Guess he would've been broadcast on the show under the condition they didn't ask him about the job?
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A Wilkins Ranieri dream team would tick the boxes of most on here I would imagine.
It looks feasible as well, Wilkins having had 3 years in Italy so would, I suspect, have a command of the Italian language.
mmmmm my funny bones tickling at the minute
I must admit i have dribbled this morning
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A Wilkins Ranieri dream team would tick the boxes of most on here I would imagine.
It looks feasible as well, Wilkins having had 3 years in Italy so would, I suspect, have a command of the Italian language.
mmmmm my funny bones tickling at the minute
Ooh don't you're making me moist!
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I think we are rightly talking to those candidates that are not attached first, there is very little point in approaching Blues haggling over compensation interviewing him again only to offer the job to someone else. If we move for Hughton it will be because he is our number one choice and we are prepared to buy out his contract and take whatever flack from comes our way even to the point of souring our relationship with Blues to the point of that any deal for Foster becomes impossible.
Personally I would prefer to spend £1m on something else wages for Ranieri or Olsson the upgrade on the academy the Ben Foster fee all ahead of compensation to Birmingham City for a good but not great coach.
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During his time commentating on Sky, I can honestly say, that Wilkins is the first man ever that has made me press the mute button, with his monotonous, droning stating-the-obvious commentary. Hopefully this is down to being bad for TV and not his all round demeanour.
Can't help thinking that we are trying to outdo ourselves with a 'luxury' gamble, that could fail massively, whereas we have a safe option just a few miles down the road
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Ranieri and Wilkins?
Oh my...
If JP and DA can pull that one out of the bag, wow!
I really would love the look on wolves fans' faces with that one!!
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During his time commentating on Sky, I can honestly say, that Wilkins is the first man ever that has made me press the mute button, with his monotonous, droning stating-the-obvious commentary. Hopefully this is down to being bad for TV and not his all round demeanour.
Can't help thinking that we are trying to outdo ourselves with a 'luxury' gamble, that could fail massively, whereas we have a safe option just a few miles down the road
I know what you mean - he's football's equivalent of cricket's Bob Willis when on TV.
However, I know several people who know Wilkins very well, and they say that his TV persona is nothing like him in real life. Which is very comforting !
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I think we are rightly talking to those candidates that are not attached first, there is very little point in approaching Blues haggling over compensation interviewing him again only to offer the job to someone else. If we move for Hughton it will be because he is our number one choice and we are prepared to buy out his contract and take whatever flack from comes our way even to the point of souring our relationship with Blues to the point of that any deal for Foster becomes impossible.
Personally I would prefer to spend £1m on something else wages for Ranieri or Olsson the upgrade on the academy the Ben Foster fee all ahead of compensation to Birmingham City for a good but not great coach.
I agree. The fact that we haven't made an approach yet suggests that he isn't our number one choice.
A Ranieri and Wilkins dream team would be fantastic IMO and show real ambition by the club.
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he talks sense does wilkins. always tactically spot on like G Nev.
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Would love Ranieri and Wilkins.
Personally I enjoy Wilkins' commentary. Monotonous, yes. But tactically very astute.
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Fantastic news if this comes to fruition. I will be well pleased.
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It's being reported as an either/or not as a joint appointment.
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It just shows how far we have come doesn't it. Id be chuffed with either! Respected managers, great contacts, im sure Roy would be positive about us too if asked.
Fingers crossed.
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Wilkins appears to be more of a 'Tracksuit' manager which would very much suit the whole head coach position.
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It's being reported as an either/or not as a joint appointment.
No it isn't.
It isn't even being reported as an 'appointment'
The reporting is that they 'have been interviewed'
There's no either/or choice to make at the moment.
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It's being reported as an either/or not as a joint appointment.
Where does it say that?
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They have both been interviewed as candidates for the job. Nowhere does it mention they will be working together or Wilkins was interviewed for an assistants position. They have both been reported as being interviewed for the head coach role.
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I doubt we'd be interviewing Wilkins in anything other than the head coach role, it's not like we're on the verge of giving Ranieri the job so I seriously doubt we'd be interviewing for his backroom staff (and surely his assistant is his decision anyway), its basically people just saying it as wishful thinking.
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you can make just a valid assumption that they 'could' be appointed as a head coach/assistant combo as a individual head coach judging by the reports.
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They have both been interviewed as candidates for the job. Nowhere does it mention they will be working together or Wilkins was interviewed for an assistants position. They have both been reported as being interviewed for the head coach role.
How do you know that? How do the reporters know? No one knows anything so they can speculate about any outcome.
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There is a manager from the Championship in the running
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There is a manager from the Championship in the running
Christopher William Gerard Hughton perhaps. ;D
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Malkay Mackay?
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Gustavo Augusto Poyet Domingez
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Does that mean not CH, DM or MA ? We are wittling it down .....
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Ian Holloway, get in
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Gustavo Augusto Poyet Domingez
Huge compensation, friends with RDM - doubt it.
Holloway or Mackay most likely.
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Poyet - OK
Mackay - maybe
Holloway - god NO!!!!
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Ollie ok
Ollie maybe
Ollie Yes please :P
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Sounds like things are moving along, and I reckon we may hear something early next week.
Some good names being mentioned and looking forward to an announcement !!
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I hope to god it isn't Holloway,another Mowbray but with a better vocabulary.
I want to see tactical knowledge on the pitch not a comedian off it.
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There is a manager from the Championship in the running
Adkins ?
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Adkins ?
He is a premiership manager isn't he?
I ignored Appleton because I consider him a League 1 manager now.
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Adkins ?
Technically isn't Adkins now premiership ;)
Am I being thick here though, Hughton has been in the frame all along and he is in the Championship??
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Technically isn't Adkins now premiership ;)
Am I being thick here though, Hughton has been in the frame all along and he is in the Championship??
Not officially until June 1st I think the date is :D
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Holloway for me all day long, great football to watch and i am sure he has learnt from his defensive frailty's.
Personality second to none, go get him JP :)
Obviously i am one of his 56 followers on here
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Holloway for me all day long, great football to watch and i am sure he has learnt from his defensive frailty's.
Personality second to none, go get him JP :)
Obviously i am one of his 56 followers on here
Personality dont win football games :o
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Personality dont win football games :o
Well he has won more than Cardiff and Brighton and i see their managers mentioned. If you watch his football there is plenty of personality shown on the pitch
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hughton seems like the best option, i'd be well happy with him in charge, the rest just dont appeal.
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I don't want that moron Holloway and his death or glory football anywhere near this club.
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Fingers crossed the Championship manager mentioned is that of Ian Holloway
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behind holloway's colourful personality there us a crafty manager. done a great job at blackpool all things considered.
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Does any one really know what is going on concerning our new manager. ITS HIM, IT COULD BE HIM, I SAW HIM AT THE HAWTHORNS, MY MATE SAW HIM DOWN THE PUB IN SMETHWICK, THE PRESS SAY ITS HIM. I am so fed up I am going to the pub in Worcester and you never know I might bump into HIM. Please JP say who it is so I can relax.
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Does any one really know what is going on concerning our new manager. ITS HIM, IT COULD BE HIM, I SAW HIM AT THE HAWTHORNS, MY MATE SAW HIM DOWN THE PUB IN SMETHWICK, THE PRESS SAY ITS HIM. I am so fed up I am going to the pub in Worcester and you never know I might bump into HIM. Please JP say who it is so I can relax.
Do yourself, and everybody a favour and read a few pages of this thread. We're interviewing people now but not rushing and not doing it all in public as it's a much better way of doing things. Read from about page 82 on and you'll get the latest rumours and gossip but it's unlikely the club will make anything official until we have a new boss in
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Holloway for me all day long, great football to watch and i am sure he has learnt from his defensive frailty's.
Personality second to none, go get him JP :)
Obviously i am one of his 56 followers on here
Being a media hogging gobsh*te is not the same thing as having personality.
I'm sure he'd be great to have a drink with (if you could get a word in between his semi-coherent ramblings), but the thought of him giving those post match cringefests every week makes me feel nauseous.
JP is not so stupid as to have him as the mouthpiece for our club.
P.S. You've either got the ability to drill defences properly or you haven't. if Wenger can't learn to do it in all this time, Ian Holloway certainly can't!
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Ian Holloway would be a disappointing appointment in my eyes for many reasons. Although he has achieved wonders at Blackpool and fair play to him, he is an eratic character and not someone who I see having a lasting relationship with Jeremy Peace. I'm fairly sure Peace doesn't want a character which will 'rock the boat' and talk out of turn, unfortunately, these are characteristics that Holloway posses. Add to that, since we appointed Roy we have come on leaps and bounds defensively. I would like to think we would remain that way. Holloway is a polar opposite to Roy and could ruin the work Roy has done over the past 16 months.
If we were in the championship, possibly yes.
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I really dont get the hatred towards Holloway, each to there own and all that but he seems a decent fair bloke who's teams play good football.
Blackpool were rubbish defensively last year and went down, Blues were good defensively and still went down so its not the be all and end all. If it was him you would think with better calibre of defenders at his disposal and lessons he has learnt himself that defensively his teams would be better.
He has done a great job at Blackpool, was poor at Leicester but did well at Plymouth and QPR, most managers have to serve their apprenticeship so at least by getting somebody like him, it will be exciting and entertaining and as long as he has learnt lessons, we should compete well again, we wont know if he has learnt his lessons until he is given a chance but the same could be said of most - Ranieri (tinkered too much) AVB (couldnt defend and ruined the spirit) yet we wouldnt rule them out.
I think he is a marmite character but for me he is usually gracious in defeat, praises his own players a lot and actually really seems to love football, i imagine he would relish the chance to come to us, wellrun, good setup, good history and also we are known for having loyal and supportive fans, he would thrive on that.
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I dislike Holloway, but only because of his media image. He has become a "caricature of himself". His background is pretty humble, especially the hand that he has been dealt with his deaf children, and in all honesty if he wasn't such a clown in front of the TV cameras he would be far more likeable.
Looking at what he has achieved in each of the last 3 seasons, with a promotion, almost surviving in the Premiership, and then failing at the last hurdle to get back up in circumstances not too disimilar to Hughton at Birmingham, he cannot be a bad manager. He is clearly a motivator, and I don't think he can be judged on failing to keep Blackpool up last year, when I think they had the lowest wage bill in the Premiership by far.
Could he achieve a lot more with a good chairman and sporting director than he could with just Oyston and the Latvian at Blackpool, and with much more money at his disposal ? The answer must be yes.
Could he attract good players to the club ? I'm not so sure.
Could he fall out with JP? Undoubtedly, unless he quits the "clown" act.
Would our fans take to him ? Like anybody - yes if he gets results.
It would be very interesting to know what Kevin Philips thinks of him.
He wouldn't be my first choice, especially after the raising of the bar with Hodgson, but I think he would make my top 6 (just !).
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I really dont get the hatred towards Holloway, each to there own and all that but he seems a decent fair bloke who's teams play good football.
Blackpool were rubbish defensively last year and went down, Blues were good defensively and still went down so its not the be all and end all. If it was him you would think with better calibre of defenders at his disposal and lessons he has learnt himself that defensively his teams would be better.
He has done a great job at Blackpool, was poor at Leicester but did well at Plymouth and QPR, most managers have to serve their apprenticeship so at least by getting somebody like him, it will be exciting and entertaining and as long as he has learnt lessons, we should compete well again, we wont know if he has learnt his lessons until he is given a chance but the same could be said of most - Ranieri (tinkered too much) AVB (couldnt defend and ruined the spirit) yet we wouldnt rule them out.
I think he is a marmite character but for me he is usually gracious in defeat, praises his own players a lot and actually really seems to love football, i imagine he would relish the chance to come to us, wellrun, good setup, good history and also we are known for having loyal and supportive fans, he would thrive on that.
The only way I could see Holloway getting at job with the baggies would be as a number two at least to begin with. Perhaps working under a very experienced coach like Roy where he could learn some of the finer points of the coaching trade. Actually he has some very strong qualities and you cant deny his teams play some lovely football but at PL level he just hasnt the tactical nouse or defensive organisation to take on the head coach role at the moment. Thing with IH is he is very much a self taught coach it would appear.
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I really dont get the hatred towards Holloway, each to there own and all that but he seems a decent fair bloke who's teams play good football.
Blackpool were rubbish defensively last year and went down, Blues were good defensively and still went down so its not the be all and end all. If it was him you would think with better calibre of defenders at his disposal and lessons he has learnt himself that defensively his teams would be better.
He has done a great job at Blackpool, was poor at Leicester but did well at Plymouth and QPR, most managers have to serve their apprenticeship so at least by getting somebody like him, it will be exciting and entertaining and as long as he has learnt lessons, we should compete well again, we wont know if he has learnt his lessons until he is given a chance but the same could be said of most - Ranieri (tinkered too much) AVB (couldnt defend and ruined the spirit) yet we wouldnt rule them out.
I think he is a marmite character but for me he is usually gracious in defeat, praises his own players a lot and actually really seems to love football, i imagine he would relish the chance to come to us, wellrun, good setup, good history and also we are known for having loyal and supportive fans, he would thrive on that.
Absolutely well said, too many on here too disrespectful of a fella who has worked marvels and given better players who knows what he could achieve.
I view other teams message boards who require managers and he doesn't get the stick some of our lot give him.Why are Albion fans any different to other supporters when we are all for the passing attacking style we have all been educated with
Lets hope he get the job but fortunately for his doubters you will get your wish because i could not see him forming the required relations with JP
Kevin Phiilips by the way always speaks highly of the man
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I wouldnt be happy with Wilkins as manager. He hasn't managed since the 90's and does not come across as that forward thinking or modern. I know we need to do due diligence, but Ray Wilkins seems to be a wasted hour to me.
Ian Holloway is too loud to manage the club. He writes a column in a national paper, is very outspoken - usually without engaging his brain, and apart from some very admirable work at Blackpool, he has an ordinary managerial record. His constant addiction to talking in the media is enough in itself to say no but he also seems too much like Mowbray in his no defence policy.
If we want premier league experience, as we heard from some quarters today, then you would think Hughton and Ranieri are the two obvious choices. Id settle for either, although my preference lies with Hughton.
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Ian Holloway would be a joke appointment, he's a self serving moron.
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Ian Holloway would be a joke appointment, he's a self serving moron.
I agree, think it would take us back to 08/09 to be honest.
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I rate Holloway, he has done a great job at Blackpool, unfortunatly his persona seems to have overshadowed his actual achievements and worth which is a shame but his own doing I guess.
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I wouldnt be happy with Wilkins as manager. He hasn't managed since the 90's and does not come across as that forward thinking or modern. I know we need to do due diligence, but Ray Wilkins seems to be a wasted hour to me.
Ian Holloway is too loud to manage the club. He writes a column in a national paper, is very outspoken - usually without engaging his brain, and apart from some very admirable work at Blackpool, he has an ordinary managerial record. His constant addiction to talking in the media is enough in itself to say no but he also seems too much like Mowbray in his no defence policy.
If we want premier league experience, as we heard from some quarters today, then you would think Hughton and Ranieri are the two obvious choices. Id settle for either, although my preference lies with Hughton.
Anyone who has the ego drive to become manager for a top club is self serving. Even Hodgson didn't become our manager because he liked our pretty blue eyes, but at the back of his mind was the England job. Holloway may be an extravert and a talker, some people don't like his style, that's fine. Dalglish is an introvert but he talks a lot of tosh too in his post match interviews. Tbh, I stopped listening to managers' 'talks' after games a long time ago, they all seem to say the most inane things more or less frequently depending on how stressed they are and personality etc.
Let's face it, it is impossible to be popular with everybody all of the time. No matter how you try some people will be sympathetic to you and others will find it harder to get along with you. That is just people being people.
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I would detest to see the media whore Holloway appointed when there are other options being interviewed.
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I just couldn't stomach him playing his "little old west brom and poor little me" card on the tele week in week out.
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I dunno, I wouldn't like it either. I didn't like Roy's "we [West Brom] are one of the little fleas in the Premier League" so I wouldn't want Holloway saying something along those lines week in and week out, but why would he? WBA is not the same as Blackpool.
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To take the pressure off him and give him an excuse when his defenders cant defend like when he was at Blackpool
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Some were with him from League one weren't they? Even we were struggling for years to put out four PL level defenders, and even now we don't if even one of the starters get injured.
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I think the most apt comparison for Holloway's PL Blackpool team was ours under Mowbray. Nowhere near genuine PL level throughout the team.
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No no no no - Mowbray spent millions and millions of pounds!
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Ian Holloway is a funny entertaining guy but I would want him no where near our hot seat.
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The main reason we had a good defence last season was the outstanding Foster, Had we not had him we may not have done half aswell, If we have Foster in goal again , even Holloway may keep some clean sheets.
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Megsons free! ;) :P
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No no no no - Mowbray spent millions and millions of pounds!
So Holloway did way better than Mowbray?
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Same end result although mowbrays failure was much more pathetic.
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The main reason we had a good defence last season was the outstanding Foster, Had we not had him we may not have done half aswell, If we have Foster in goal again , even Holloway may keep some clean sheets.
I agree about Foster. Then again we have to give credit to Roy (and DA and JP) for getting Foster in. But without MVP Foster in goal we would have had a worse season than the year before and could even have been in relegation trouble.
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Same end result.
But Holloway proved he has the rare ability to get the most out of what little there is.
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Megsons free! ;) :P
Yes! Because Megson proved that a defensive setup is the be all and end all to PL survival! :)
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I think the most apt comparison for Holloway's PL Blackpool team was ours under Mowbray. Nowhere near genuine PL level throughout the team.
Still managed to get 39 points though, much better than Mowbray and on a much, much smaller budget. Most seasons, with that tally, they would have stayed up
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We are above Holloway, sorry for saying it but we are.
Holloway got Blackpool relegated, he'll do the same to us.
If we want to be progressive then we need to look bigger than holloway, on par with Hodgson in fact.
Ranieri, AVB etc. we need to go for it.
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We are above Holloway, sorry for saying it but we are.
Holloway got Blackpool relegated, he'll do the same to us.
If we want to be progressive then we need to look bigger than holloway, on par with Hodgson in fact.
Ranieri, AVB etc. we need to go for it.
Spot on.
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Spot on.
It's okay trying to chase Ranieri and AVB but a club of our size must be realistic and have a seperate sheet of more realistic back up names. Its not always the case that the big managers will fancy joining a club of our size. If we attempted to replace Roy with a big name, but end up appointing Hughton (or someone like that) the fans must realise it isn't neccesarily a lack of ambition. Moreso because those big managers don't fancy working with us because of our size and budget.
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Still managed to get 39 points though, much better than Mowbray and on a much, much smaller budget. Most seasons, with that tally, they would have stayed up
Exactly my point. How Holloway got 39 points with the squad he had was nothing short of a miracle.
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Do yourself, and everybody a favour and read a few pages of this thread. We're interviewing people now but not rushing and not doing it all in public as it's a much better way of doing things. Read from about page 82 on and you'll get the latest rumours and gossip but it's unlikely the club will make anything official until we have a new boss in
Chill out mate. I have read every page on this thread. Who do you think it is? ;D
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In the list of criteria that the Club has for selecting our Next Manager one of the items high on the list will be
"a Manager who has had success with MULTIPLE teams"
Roy had some bad times in his career but also had multiple great performances with different teams, the last thing we would want to do is replace him with a "One Hit Wonder".
so use that test to see who passes and who doesn't...
Ranieri.... Yes
Hughton...... Yes
AVB..... Yes
Holloway.... No
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How about Ranieri and Wilkins?Worked together before at Chelsea and is it coincidence they had interviews on the same day?
Expensive yes,but maybe not much more than paying Blues compensation and we have £3m from the shirt sponsor.
Would they be interested in a club our size?Well they are aren't they?
It shows how much we have grown the last two seasons,and following names like RDM and Roy has raised our profile.
The trick now is to keep raising the bar,not lowering it.
A mid table premiership club,with a good squad of players,no debts and a good fan base.
Where is the attraction there? ;)
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That's what I am wondering. Italian football seems to be deflating - lot's of corruption scandals etc and the players they produce aren't as good as they used to be. I wonder if Ranieri simply wants to work in a saner environment (like our club :))) and with a different kind of goal (a long term steady job in a stable club) rather than bumpy rides on 'top' club roller costers. He is no spring chicken anymore.
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He has also managed some of the biggest stars in the game,probaly more so than Roy.
Not sure he could handle Pete mind. ;D
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I'm hoping we get Ranieri he's exactly the man we need at this point in time. He's a big name with a very good track record and this is the man we need to maintain our progression.
We need to stop thinking like "little West Brom" otherwise that's exactly what we'll remain.
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It's okay trying to chase Ranieri and AVB but a club of our size must be realistic and have a seperate sheet of more realistic back up names. Its not always the case that the big managers will fancy joining a club of our size. If we attempted to replace Roy with a big name, but end up appointing Hughton (or someone like that) the fans must realise it isn't neccesarily a lack of ambition. Moreso because those big managers don't fancy working with us because of our size and budget.
We've finished mid-table 2 seasons in a row, Holloway will take us into a relegation battle. His teams can't defend for toffee! Our entire team structure will disintegrate.
I actually like Holloway and am a fan of his but i honestly see us as a club as above him now. Is that bad? I see Holloway as a top end champ/lower end prem manager. Would have suited as 4 years ago. No we need to look at the next level. If Ranieri and AVB are too big a name then Laudrup, Jol, Rodgers, Martinez, Rangnick for example names (not candidates) etc.
Lets start thinking a bit bigger, we deserve it!
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Holloway to me is like Christmas lights,i like to see them......on someone elses house.
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Holloway to me is like Christmas lights,i like to see them......on someone elses house.
Lets hope its our house then :)
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let's not. I want to see those lights linked to a youtube video half way around the world where he can't get at us in any way shape or form
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As Kevin Keegan would say i would absolutely love it love it if we appointed him.I understand most of you ain't keen but 56 of us are and he deserves the chance at a bigger club in the top flight.You might all be pleasantly supprised.Right that's it for me on this topic until its starts hotting up with the media.
ollie ollie ollie oi oi oi
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I just can't. not after Mobray :'( don't trust no one who ends with "ay" and likes attacking football.
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Holloway to me is like Christmas lights,i like to see them......on someone elses house.
Christmas lights are the perfect analogy for Holloway - attention seeking, obnoxious and unnecessary.
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;D
Holloway to me is like Christmas lights,i like to see them......on someone elses house.
How true is that :-) Holloway after hodgson is 2 steps backwards,all the work di matteo and hodgson have done will be washed away!
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Holloway is not the answer. He belongs to Blackpool, the tower, illuminations, fairground, donkey rides, candy floss, rock and on and on in fact anything a little bit tacky.
We need to relax and leave it to Dan and JP. I am sure that sooner or later (probably June) they will make an announcement.
At the moment anything is just speculation and we are being driven by the next Manager odds which again is normally guesswork. Sit tight ::) ::)
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Holloway does have some support including me.Off to the beach now ;)
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How about Ranieri and Wilkins?Worked together before at Chelsea and is it coincidence they had interviews on the same day?
Expensive yes,but maybe not much more than paying Blues compensation and we have £3m from the shirt sponsor.
Would they be interested in a club our size?Well they are aren't they?
It shows how much we have grown the last two seasons,and following names like RDM and Roy has raised our profile.
The trick now is to keep raising the bar,not lowering it.
A mid table premiership club,with a good squad of players,no debts and a good fan base.
Where is the attraction there? ;)
What does good crowd base mean? We are the sixth worst supported team in the prem and we had a good season finishing tenth.
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4th best away support for season gone i think??
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4th best away support for season gone i think??
where did you read that mate?
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We've finished mid-table 2 seasons in a row, Holloway will take us into a relegation battle. His teams can't defend for toffee! Our entire team structure will disintegrate.
I actually like Holloway and am a fan of his but i honestly see us as a club as above him now. Is that bad? I see Holloway as a top end champ/lower end prem manager. Would have suited as 4 years ago. No we need to look at the next level. If Ranieri and AVB are too big a name then Laudrup, Jol, Rodgers, Martinez, Rangnick for example names (not candidates) etc.
Lets start thinking a bit bigger, we deserve it!
If you read back over my posts then you will see that I'm against the appointment of Ian Holloway. Whilst I do agree, chasing the likes of Ranieri and AVB is great and shows the ambition of the club, its not always likely that we'll end up appointing them and therefore we have to prepared for a name like Hughton to take the job.
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Holloway did irritate me in interviews when Blackpool were in the prem BUT players seem to respond to him - you don't see many lacklustre Blackpool performances.
Before he took over at Blackpool, he used to play a bit route one but he said that after being passed to death by Swansea under Martinez, he realised that was the better way so I think anything he did pre Blackpool shouldn't be considered - also shows he can watch and learn.
Considering they lost Adam and Vaughan, they've done pretty well this season (same applies to Hughton of course only more so).
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holloway, don't think so, ranieri, with or without wilkins not done a lot in 5 jobs since chelsea, hughton good bet , me i would not be unhappy to see gus poyet here, but whoever it is i hope they are somewhere between a cautious hodgson and a gung ho Di matteo, because some of the home game football last season was a bit dire in the going forward stakes that waqy we should get some good attacking football with a reasonably reliable defence , subject of course to retaining the services of foster and olsen.
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I am really surprised we have not gone for Hughton by now, experience of the premiership and done very well at Newcastle shouldn't of been sacked, his done fantastic with blues got beaten by a good Blackpool side, his home records for the teams his managed are always good, my worries for the other candidates is that they havent got any experience of working with a club our size and on our small budget. I dont really want a manager who is going to just attack as we will get out done by teams with much more technically better players.
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where did you read that mate?
Either The Bleacher Report or Talk sport. The guys that did the graph showing best value using the opta stats
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Holloway does not have the ability to pull in big name players that will get us to maintain our mid table position.
Ranieri DOES have the ability to pull in big names to help us maintain 10th, which is key.
I honestly think if we take Hughton, we WONT get Foster, because the bluenoses will dig their heels in to spite us taking their manager and sell Foster elsewhere. I would rather have Foster than Hughton, but thats my opinion
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im growing very keen on Ranieri, i think Hughton can't be happening because i'm sure it would've happened by now....
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What does good crowd base mean? We are the sixth worst supported team in the prem and we had a good season finishing tenth.
But many of the clubs with better fan bases have been long term premier league clubs.
We have been up and down like a tarts knickers.
What IS attractive about us is the set up is already there,the new man will only have to tune...or tinker. ;)
Most managers who take over at a new club do so because the club is failing.
Not many managers are lucky enough to take over a club on an upward trend.
This is why the likes of Ranieri and Wilkins are interested.
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But many of the clubs with better fan bases have been long term premier league clubs.
We have been up and down like a tarts knickers.
What IS attractive about us is the set up is already there,the new man will only have to tune...or tinker. ;)
Most managers who take over at a new club do so because the club is failing.
Not many managers are lucky enough to take over a club on an upward trend.
This is why the likes of Ranieri and Wilkins are interested.
I sure hope you're right and we can pull that off!
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on the poll there is 25 names put forward by Albion fans to be our new manager. I wonder if anyone knows how many of the poll have been approached by the Albion Board.
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Wonder also kc, how many voters would now change there mind from the original vote ??
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Ok can somebody explain how Hughton is the front runner like all the press keep saying, yet we haven't approached blues or met with the chap (that anybody know's of) yet we have met Ranieri twice and Wilkins once, surely that put's one of those 2 forward as the front runners?
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Ok can somebody explain how Hughton is the front runner like all the press keep saying, yet we haven't approached blues or met with the chap (that anybody know's of) yet we have met Ranieri twice and Wilkins once, surely that put's one of those 2 forward as the front runners?
How do you know we haven't spoke to CH mate?...repeating myself but the club do things very ,very discreet these days.Look at when Roy came,the press knew nothing until about a day before.Unlike Villa,Wolves and other clubs we don't do our things in public,i suspect the net has gone far wider in the search for a new Head Coach than any of us know at all.Frustrating i know but its for the best in the long run.
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ITV now,
Adrian Chiles interviewing Gareth Southgate, Peter Reid and Roy Keane for the Albion Job. :D
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How do you know we haven't spoke to CH mate?...repeating myself but the club do things very ,very discreet these days.Look at when Roy came,the press knew nothing until about a day before.Unlike Villa,Wolves and other clubs we don't do our things in public,i suspect the net has gone far wider in the search for a new Head Coach than any of us know at all.Frustrating i know but its for the best in the long run.
That's why I put in brackets that we know of, just making a point that he's front runner yet we have only openly spoke to Ranieri and Wilkins
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That's why I put in brackets that we know of, just making a point that he's front runner yet we have only openly spoke to Ranieri and Wilkins
Ranieri and Wilkins dont have jobs,Hughton does which opens a whole can of worms with Blues if we go speaking to CH in public .
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Ranieri and Wilkins dont have jobs,Hughton does which opens a whole can of worms with Blues if we go speaking to CH in public .
Like I say I just can't understand how he's meant to be the front runner
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I honestly think if we take Hughton, we WONT get Foster, because the bluenoses will dig their heels in to spite us taking their manager and sell Foster elsewhere. I would rather have Foster than Hughton, but thats my opinion
Player power is very big these days, no reason why we couldn't have both.
Ranieri & Wilkins as assistant is mouthwatering.
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The way i read it, we were interviewing in London yesterday and we spoke to Ranieri again and two other managers from abroad.............apparentley
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Please be Laudrup!
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Please be Laudrup!
Second that
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According to tonights E&S one was German coach Ralf Rangnick.
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Think the job will go to Ranieri and maybe we might get Wilkins in to help him.Ranieri would attract some decent players maybe even del piero :P
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Think the job will go to Ranieri and maybe we might get Wilkins in to help him.Ranieri would attract some decent players maybe even del piero :P
Is he still playing seems like he has been around for ages
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Is he still playing seems like he has been around for ages
He played his last match for Juventus this month
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Is he still playing seems like he has been around for ages
his agent is touting his wares around the Premier League at the moment ...or so I read
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According to tonights E&S one was German coach Ralf Rangnick.
Having read on this guy's background I really hope that the club consider him for the position as his record is impressive irrespective of how it ended at Schalke who are a big club with a large stadium and a different proposition to Albion. My only reservation is that he hasn't coached outside Germany.
As for Ranieri his record since Chelsea has been patchy and not sure if he would be a success if selected.
I don't know if others agree with me but I do thing that Hodgson's profile as a manager and getting the England job has attracted a higher calibre of candidate this time for the vacancy.
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Having read on this guy's background I really hope that the club consider him for the position as his record is impressive irrespective of how it ended at Schalke who are a big club with a large stadium and a different proposition to Albion. My only reservation is that he hasn't coached outside Germany.
As for Ranieri his record since Chelsea has been patchy and not sure if he would be a success if selected.
I don't know if others agree with me but I do thing that Hodgson's profile as a manager and getting the England job has attracted a higher calibre of candidate this time for the vacancy.
No, but he went to University over here, so he speaks very good English. I think the transition would be fairly easy considering this and his success in Germany. He's my favourite atm.
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http://www.sundaymercury.net/midlands-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2012/05/27/west-bromwich-albion-set-to-make-formal-approach-for-birmingham-city-boss-chris-hughton-66331-31052607/
ALBION will try to lure Chris Hughton away from Blues in the next 48 hours as club officials look to secure the manager to take them forward.
The Baggies board are ready to make a direct approach for the highly-regarded boss – who has long been the bookies’ favourite to land the job.
Hawthorns chiefs will seek Blues’ permission to talk to Hughton but the Championship outfit are expected to put up a stern fight to keep their man.
The difficulty for St Andrew’s bosses could be persuading Hughton that their financial crisis and ongoing transfer embargo will be ended any time soon while owner Carson Yeung faces money laundering charges in his native Hong Kong.
Those in the corridors of power at The Hawthorns are now keen to fill their vacancy and the next two days could prove crucial.
Last week extensive background work was put in and the agents of several candidates sounded out to establish whether the vacancy would appeal.
Claudio Ranieri and Ray Wilkins have both held talks with Albion’s hierarchy, while Alan Curbishley is also thought to have discussed the role.
But it would seem that Hughton is now the top target and The Hawthorns job, which offers Premier League football at a club whose finances are secure and sensibly run, could yet prove very appealing.
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http://www.sundaymercury.net/midlands-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2012/05/27/west-bromwich-albion-set-to-make-formal-approach-for-birmingham-city-boss-chris-hughton-66331-31052607/
ALBION will try to lure Chris Hughton away from Blues in the next 48 hours as club officials look to secure the manager to take them forward.
The Baggies board are ready to make a direct approach for the highly-regarded boss – who has long been the bookies’ favourite to land the job.
Hawthorns chiefs will seek Blues’ permission to talk to Hughton but the Championship outfit are expected to put up a stern fight to keep their man.
The difficulty for St Andrew’s bosses could be persuading Hughton that their financial crisis and ongoing transfer embargo will be ended any time soon while owner Carson Yeung faces money laundering charges in his native Hong Kong.
Those in the corridors of power at The Hawthorns are now keen to fill their vacancy and the next two days could prove crucial.
Last week extensive background work was put in and the agents of several candidates sounded out to establish whether the vacancy would appeal.
Claudio Ranieri and Ray Wilkins have both held talks with Albion’s hierarchy, while Alan Curbishley is also thought to have discussed the role.
But it would seem that Hughton is now the top target and The Hawthorns job, which offers Premier League football at a club whose finances are secure and sensibly run, could yet prove very appealing.
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Isn't that a similar story to what we read last Sunday morning too
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I think the club are going to keep it quiet and go for someone that hasn't been mentioned much, Its the way we have handled it in the past and i cant see it being any different this time round.
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If the Birmingham Mail journalist's are so adamant that Chris Hughton is going be our top target, its going to be him. They obviously know something, its not just speculation. I will be very very happy when Hughton is announced as our manager this week.
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I think the reason behind us not pushing blues into a desk for Hughton at the moment is JP doesn't want to upset their board and stop any potential deals for Hughton and more importantly IMO, foster.
I still really hope it will be ranieri with Wilkins as his assistant. Although I think that's fading now and Hughton will be named this week.
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i still think it will be ranieri or wilkins
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I think the reason behind us not pushing blues into a desk for Hughton at the moment is JP doesn't want to upset their board and stop any potential deals for Hughton and more importantly IMO, foster.
I still really hope it will be ranieri with Wilkins as his assistant. Although I think that's fading now and Hughton will be named this week.
You are assuming that.
A. Peter pannu will give Albion permission to speak to Hughton.
B. that Hughton wants the job.
C. Do not under estimate the feeling Hughton has for BCFC the club, its players and its fans.
D. After the McLeish debacle with the Villa i cannot see Hughton doing a similar thing.
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You are assuming that.
A. Peter pannu will give Albion permission to speak to Hughton.
B. that Hughton wants the job.
C. Do not under estimate the feeling Hughton has for BCFC the club, its players and its fans.
D. After the McLeish debacle with the Villa i cannot see Hughton doing a similar thing.
You have missed the most important assumption :-
E. Albion want to speak to Hughton
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You are assuming that.
A. Peter pannu will give Albion permission to speak to Hughton.
B. that Hughton wants the job.
C. Do not under estimate the feeling Hughton has for BCFC the club, its players and its fans.
D. After the McLeish debacle with the Villa i cannot see Hughton doing a similar thing.
The only thing I'm assuming is that a deal hasn't been forced to save difficulties in signing foster. Personally I wouldn't like Hughton here, it's a step backwards IMO. But who ever it is, including Hughton, il back 100%.
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Hughton will do what he feels is best for himself, that is the bottom line of it all. He may love Birmingham City but this is his job and we will all consider another job should it look more secure for the future elsewhere, unless you lads get a takeover and quick I don't think you would be able to keep hold of him for long especially given the job he did with you last season. As for Pannu he'll just try and get as much money out of any potential deals as possible but he's working with big constraints financially and will have his resolve tested whether it is by us or someone else when it comes to Hughton.
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You are assuming that.
A. Peter pannu will give Albion permission to speak to Hughton.
B. that Hughton wants the job.
C. Do not under estimate the feeling Hughton has for BCFC the club, its players and its fans.
D. After the McLeish debacle with the Villa i cannot see Hughton doing a similar thing.
Keep deluding yourself Wilma_carstart. The guy is very likely to be our next head coach. Some of the Birmingham fan's reactions to this is simply ridiculous - reading SHA is cringe worthy at the moment. Your club is in a mess you have sold all your best players this season. You should be thankful for the money,loans and players we have helped you out with this season - despite all that you are obviously a much bigger club than us ::).
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I dont see this love in with Hughton.Can someone enlighten me what all the fuss is about
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I dont see this love in with Hughton.Can someone enlighten me what all the fuss is about
I'm with you. No idea. Nothing special compared with other names.
Not saying I wouldn't back him, because I would, but I agree with you mate.
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I dont see this love in with Hughton.Can someone enlighten me what all the fuss is about
Exactly! Where are the quotes from Peace or Ashworth that we even want to speak to him? It is all speculation just like Arry for England
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From past history , we won't be hearing anything official from the board until the new gaffer is announced, whoever it may be.
Di-matteo came from nowhere to be announced and so did Hodgson.
We may be in for another surprise by the end of this week.
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Exactly! Where are the quotes from Peace or Ashworth that we even want to speak to him? It is all speculation just like Arry for England
Where are the quotes from JP or DA about anyone we want to talk to?
That's not the way we roll. (As young people might say while twiddling their fingers and hanging their bum out of their jeans.)
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Afternoon all. Hughton will be spoken to and very possibly be offered the job. All the work and interviewing so far has been done in case ch turns us down. If that does happen then i think ranieri, wilkins apleton et al will be in the picture, the point being we are nearing the end of this process. Someone, hopefully ch, will be installed by wednesday.
Note to the sky tv generation, being a so called big name means diddly squat, the only big name managers are those who succeed season in season out, fergie, wenger, struggling now. Ranieri would be a huge error
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Afternoon all. Hughton will be spoken to and very possibly be offered the job. All the work and interviewing so far has been done in case ch turns us down. If that does happen then i think ranieri, wilkins apleton et al will be in the picture, the point being we are nearing the end of this process. Someone, hopefully ch, will be installed by wednesday.
Note to the sky tv generation, being a so called big name means diddly squat, the only big name managers are those who succeed season in season out, fergie, wenger, struggling now. Ranieri would be a huge error
Why would anyone interview the also rans before the person they really want? Makes no sense whatsoever!
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Struggling to name any more i mean. Oh jose and pep!
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In today's Mirror a story that Villa are considering RDM. I know that RDM recently said he wouldn't go back to WBA, but given his situation at the time he had to say that. I think he would take a 3 year contract given the shabby way Chelsea are treating him now. When I floated the idea some weeks back, it was poo-pooed on here, but I think he will have learned alot since leaving the Albion. It would be ironic (one word) to see him revitalise Villa if our appointment didn't turn out so good.
Of the others Ranieri is likeable bloke and undoubtedly has some top experience. Comes down to communication skills as well. I'm less keen on Wilkins. I never hear him talk about WBA and seems too Chelsea minded for my liking. He could be using us as a stepping stone to get back in the big time.
Neither am I keen on Holloway. He's undoubtedly good for some soundbites in the Postmatch interviews, but his teams seem to lack tactical discipline. Sure, I want attacking football, as I think most right minded Albion fans do, but I also want a manager with a sound tactical base.
If Ralf Rangnick was interviewed, he's more of an unknown quantity over here, but he has managed at a very decent level in Germany. Schalke is a massive club, but notoriously difficult to manage.
If it is Hughton I would be pleased, as his track record in management is good, and I would imagine he connects well with the players. I hope however it doesn't complicate the Foster transfer. I don't see why DA can't just get that sorted anyway, as most new managers have to accept the players already on the staff.
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it will only make sense if ch turns us down, if that happens we will have a firm plan b. just look at the circus at the wolves when they got turned down
Have you ever been through the process of employing anyone? If you know the person you want then you do everything to get them. You will have a list of people that you will move onto if the first choice turns you down but you don't interview people just on the off chance.
Why would Peace go to the expense of flying Ranieri in from Italy or where he currently lives & then waste his time, Ashworths time and Ranieri's time when they have no intention of appointing him unless someone they haven't spoken to turns them down?
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Due diligence? They know all about Hughton having already interviewed him before so why not look at what's out there?
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the more I think about it the more I think they already have a name{s} in situ.
They announced the new manager would be in place by the end of the month. Thats Thursday.
So tomorrow I'd expect JP to phone Blues, ask to speak to Hughton.
'Chris don't mess about, want the job? Yes or no?
From there it's either CH or the next name on the list who probably think they have the job at the moment anyway'
Manager unveied on Friday.
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Have you ever been through the process of employing anyone? If you know the person you want then you do everything to get them. You will have a list of people that you will move onto if the first choice turns you down but you don't interview people just on the off chance.
Why would Peace go to the expense of flying Ranieri in from Italy or where he currently lives & then waste his time, Ashworths time and Ranieri's time when they have no intention of appointing him unless someone they haven't spoken to turns them down?
I refer you back to my post. Wolves!! Even ogs to villa!! Employing someone in football management is a unique task, not comparable to every day hiring and firing. Most jobs are exactly that, a job, one position, but many candidates. It pays to go through the correct procedures. Look at the wolves!!!
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Keep deluding yourself Wilma_carstart. The guy is very likely to be our next head coach. Some of the Birmingham fan's reactions to this is simply ridiculous - reading SHA is cringe worthy at the moment. Your club is in a mess you have sold all your best players this season. You should be thankful for the money,loans and players we have helped you out with this season - despite all that you are obviously a much bigger club than us ::).
Ok lets look at the facts:
who has been saying Hughton is the favourite for the job.
Hughton was interviewed 18 months ago and he got rejected / turned it down
Peace has interviewed Ranieri and wilkins + the german bloke in the last two weeks
kind of odd behaviour if you already know the person you want.
The other thing you seem to have overlooked is Hughton would want Calderwood and Trollope with him.
this would mean Peace having to make a big u turn as he wants a head coach to work with the backroom staff already in place. which was an issue the last time Hughton was interviewed.
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Ok lets look at the facts:
who has been saying Hughton is the favourite for the job.
Hughton was interviewed 18 months ago and he got rejected / turned it down
Peace has interviewed Ranieri and wilkins + the german bloke in the last two weeks
kind of odd behaviour if you already know the person you want.
The other thing you seem to have overlooked is Hughton would want Calderwood and Trollope with him.
this would mean Peace having to make a big u turn as he wants a head coach to work with the backroom staff already in place. which was an issue the last time Hughton was interviewed.
I think we wanted someone to work alongside Appleton mainly? I think that issue has now obviously changed because of Appleton moving on.
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You are assuming that.
A. Peter pannu will give Albion permission to speak to Hughton.
B. that Hughton wants the job.
C. Do not under estimate the feeling Hughton has for BCFC the club, its players and its fans.
D. After the McLeish debacle with the Villa i cannot see Hughton doing a similar thing.
The McLeish thing is irrelevant as the Albion Blues rivalry is almost nothing
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Anyone who still buys the 'due diligence' line is deluded. JP knows his Target but is not willing to pay for a head coach whilst the players are on holiday. Appointment will be made end of June; personally bored of the whole charade and intend to watch some cricket. Enjoy the summer.
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Hughton could well be the top of list, however the people we have spoken to thus far are unattached and therefore we can talk to them without agreeing compensation. We know that Hughton will cost roughly a £1m to buy out of his Blues contract so the question is the that a bigger issue than any issue that might be presented by the other candidates?
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Ok lets look at the facts:
who has been saying Hughton is the favourite for the job.
Hughton was interviewed 18 months ago and he got rejected / turned it down
Peace has interviewed Ranieri and wilkins + the german bloke in the last two weeks
kind of odd behaviour if you already know the person you want.
The other thing you seem to have overlooked is Hughton would want Calderwood and Trollope with him.
this would mean Peace having to make a big u turn as he wants a head coach to work with the backroom staff already in place. which was an issue the last time Hughton was interviewed.
I really think Blues fans should be preparing themselves for Hughton's departure. Keeping thinking of trivial reasons that could prevent him come here and realise the severity of your situation. There will be life after Hughton as long as your finances aren't too bad.
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You are assuming that.
A. Peter pannu will give Albion permission to speak to Hughton.
B. that Hughton wants the job.
C. Do not under estimate the feeling Hughton has for BCFC the club, its players and its fans.
D. After the McLeish debacle with the Villa i cannot see Hughton doing a similar thing.
This is quite frankly so delusional as to be hilarious ;D
A Albion have already spoken to CH (last time around) so know what they're getting (and vice versa) Informal contacts via agents and intermediaries make it possible to establish interest and likely terms and requirements. By the time "permission" is requested the outcome of whether a deal can be done is usually well established. So Pannu is impotent. If he refuses permission CH resigns. Simples
B Ooo - this is really tricky:
What will CH prefer?
Premiership or Championship?
Sound financial footing and management or financial precipice?
A highly successful chairman who has masterminded the Albion revival or a man who might face a lengthy spell in jail?
An opportunity to strengthen an already decent mid table Prem squad or a dwindling Championship squad and a transfer embargo until July (and perhaps beyond) And even if lifted then perhaps a need to sell or else little cash to spend
Stable ownership and management team or a possible sale of the club to "new owners" (yet more dodgy foreign businessmen?) And we all know what new owners typically do to managers appointed by the previous regime!
What would you do? It's a no brainer
C Of course throughout his playing and coaching career at Spurs and his time at Newcastle CH was known for professing his undying love for BCFC.
So it's not just a few PR words uttered to the Evening Mail's Blues correspondent.
He really feels it. Honest
D WTF What's McLeish got to do with it?
The only real question is - are Albion going to go for CH or is it someone else?
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Anyone who still buys the 'due diligence' line is deluded. JP knows his Target but is not willing to pay for a head coach whilst the players are on holiday. Appointment will be made end of June; personally bored of the whole charade and intend to watch some cricket. Enjoy the summer.
Welcome to the board.
Anyone who thinks JP would risk losing his target for the sake of one months pay is deluded. I'll stick with CL's opinions until you've got at least 10 posts.
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who has been saying Hughton is the favourite for the job.
Hughton was interviewed 18 months ago and he got rejected / turned it down
The other thing you seem to have overlooked is Hughton would want Calderwood and Trollope with him.
this would mean Peace having to make a big u turn as he wants a head coach to work with the backroom staff already in place. which was an issue the last time Hughton was interviewed.
Hughton was not turned down last time. The club were negotiating with him however he wanted his goalkeeper coach and Calderwood (buying him out from Hibs expensive). Michael Appleton and Dean Kiely were at the club and we like to keep some consistency in the back room coaches - it is the way we are run. Hodgson came available and he has a better CV.
This time around Calerwood is more available and the GK coach Watson is now with England. Furthermore, our long term coach Appleton is now in charge of Portsmouth.
The only question mark is over Trollope as we will want to keep Downing as a coach with the club but, Trollope isnt one of Hughton's long term coaches. With him only joining up with Birmingham at the start of the season, Hughton might not be as insistent that he moves with im. Bsides, Trollope has managerial experience so may have his sights on a managers job elsewhere - maybe even the vacant one left by Hughton at Blues.
None of us know what will happen in the next week and Albion fans are kidding themselves if they believe it will be as simple as saying "okay we will have Hughton". Blues could stand firm and ask for more than we are prepared to pay, or Hughton could decide that he feels loyalty to Blues, his other back room staff or maybe just not want to come as a Head Coach (it's put Martinez off Liverpool). To believe we have no chance of getting him though is setting yourself up for a big fall Wilma. Looking at it from a neutral perspective, id say we have a 60/40 chance if we go for him - more if we compensation isnt an issue.
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Second that
Me three.
Seriously, Laudrup would be a gamble Id like to see us take. Would be a massive scalp of a name to get and could get us playing some seriously attractive and attacking football.
As well as Laudrup I think Ralf Rangnick would also be a great appointment. You've only got to look at the guys CV to understand how much a success he has been; and for him to show interest in us (likewise with Ranieri), shows how far we have come in the last couple of years.
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I dont see this love in with Hughton.Can someone enlighten me what all the fuss is about
No fuss..............................just a good coach................enlightened?
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the more I think about it the more I think they already have a name{s} in situ.
They announced the new manager would be in place by the end of the month. Thats Thursday.
So tomorrow I'd expect JP to phone Blues, ask to speak to Hughton.
'Chris don't mess about, want the job? Yes or no?
From there it's either CH or the next name on the list who probably think they have the job at the moment anyway'
Manager unveied on Friday.
Think thats very close to the truth Tuamigos. If your right the most important thing for me is that CH has a proven track record of connecting with players. Think in light of the fact that the new coach is coming in to a very settled dressing room should not be underestimated. For me it would be a good choice although I wouldnt have objections to Ranieri either
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This from Newcastle online regarding Hughton;
Ignoring talking absolute balls (and if you view this forum often you will know this is a common theme) Hughton would be a very good appointment.
Still has his flaws but what inexperienced manager doesn't? He has a lot of love still from the vast majority of Newcastle fans. He played good football and can pull a team together. He will get the players and fans all pulling in the same direction and is dignity personified.
Wouldn't say this for too many ex Newcastle managers but I wish him every success in the world and reckon he will do a good job everywhere he goes, he gains respect from all that know him and will have a team wanting to do well for him as well as theirselves.
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This from Newcastle online regarding Hughton;
Ignoring talking absolute balls (and if you view this forum often you will know this is a common theme) Hughton would be a very good appointment.
Still has his flaws but what inexperienced manager doesn't? He has a lot of love still from the vast majority of Newcastle fans. He played good football and can pull a team together. He will get the players and fans all pulling in the same direction and is dignity personified.
Wouldn't say this for too many ex Newcastle managers but I wish him every success in the world and reckon he will do a good job everywhere he goes, he gains respect from all that know him and will have a team wanting to do well for him as well as theirselves.
So our only question must be - Would you have him back ???? ??? ???
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Simple - BEM feature tomorrow - pick 'em all JP
Sporting and Technical Director - Dan Ashworth (JP's confidante) :-*
Director of Football - Claudio Ranieri 8)
Manager - Chris Hughton :-[
Head Coach and PR - Ray Wilkins ;D
Assistant Coach - Alan Curbishley ::)
Goalkeeping Coach - Deano Kiely :-*
Reserve Team Coach and Reserve PR - Ian Holloway :P
Coach Driver - Steve Bruce ???
Team kit presentation and laundry - Mad Mick >:(
Leaving - Downing, and take your nephew with you, thanks for holding the fort in RH's absence but we no longer have anything for you :'(
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I'd like to think big movements would be made this week.
Starting to come to the busy weeks of the close season now with players becoming officially free after 1st June etc.
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Calm before the storm :)
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Anyone else reckon it will be Appleton next week AFTER the season ticket deadline. ;D
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Anyone else reckon it will be Appleton next week AFTER the season ticket deadline. ;D
What makes you think it will be Appleton?
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What makes you think it will be Appleton?
Well its a possibility isnt it? Highly thought of at the club, has worked with the players previously and will no doubt be cheap.
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A season in League 1 will do Appleton wonders and will show how capable a manager he is or could be, but for now the job is too soon. By all accounts though he is very well thought of by the Pompey fans so he is heading in the right direction.
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Im so fed up of reading albion about appoarch hughton.
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Im so fed up of reading albion about appoarch hughton.
If reports that Hughton has always been the No 1 choice are accurate then why do we waste time interviewing so many other possibilties? i am not convinced that CH is top of our wanted list, but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
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If reports that Hughton has always been the No 1 choice are accurate then why do we waste time interviewing so many other possibilties? i am not convinced that CH is top of our wanted list, but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
We have to do some ground work for potentials head coaches incase CH turns it down and we look like mugs like Wolves and Villa do.
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I personally feel we need an experienced manager like Roy to carry on the solid foundations that have been layed. Chris Hughton is not that man in my opinion, someone like Raneri would be ideal aslong as he knows he wont be getting a massive transfer kitty. He has said he wants a new different project now i cant for any reason see why he wouldnt come to us. Any snags could hopefully be ironed out between Raneri and Peace / Ashworth.
One thing for sure if the club appoint Claudio Raneri it would be a major step in the right direction.
Regarding Appleton, i really like him but its far too ealry for him. Another 2/3 years time may well see him turn into a very good manager.
Hughton is just not for me im afraid, im not saying he isnt a good manager but i dont think he is the 'right man'.
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First of all Chris Hughton is a very experienced coach with around 20 years behind him working his way through the ranks at Spurs and then on to Newcastle. He hasn't got all that much experience as a manager but he has done well at Newcastle managing the egos and done brilliantly at Blues considering everything that was happening there, the fact is we are looking for a head coach rather than a manager and in my opinion he would be a very good candidate for our job with the way we are structured.
Ranieri would only be a step in the right direction based on his name and experience in the game there is no doubt about that, I assume he's worked with a similar set up abroad and although he wouldn't have the funds available to him that he would have elsewhere he could be a good option.
Appleton needs experience behind him and to be fair he's been unlucky with his first appointment to suffer from such financial constraints but he can build something at Portsmouth if given the time and enhance his reputation, he's not ready for this job.
To be fair I would be happy with Hughton or Ranieri, they are the only two I think could do a good job here out of those that have been publicly linked with us.
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If reports that Hughton has always been the No 1 choice are accurate then why do we waste time interviewing so many other possibilties? i am not convinced that CH is top of our wanted list, but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
Agree with this completely. If CH is the choice then why haven't we approached Birmingham? It doesn't cost anything to approach them so why haven't we done it? It doesn't make sense to waste time and effort on backups before approaching your first choice. Yes you have a list of backups ready in case the top choice turns it down but why waste time interviewing them?
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If reports that Hughton has always been the No 1 choice are accurate then why do we waste time interviewing so many other possibilties? i am not convinced that CH is top of our wanted list, but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
Why would you not keep your options open and discuss the post with those that may be interested who are currently out of work before moving on to those currently in a job, I don't see the problem with this as I would guess we have had talks with the representatives of those currently in a job to gauge their interest anyway before making any official approaches.
We don't want to end up looking like amateurs as Wolves did with their pathetic search for a new manager, we always go so far with more than one manager like we did with Irvine and RDM and Hodgson and Hughton after them. Its all part of process to try and get the right man for the job and that takes time, if we do our homework we have less chance of looking like clowns as those lot did down the road.
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Agree with this completely. If CH is the choice then why haven't we approached Birmingham? It doesn't cost anything to approach them so why haven't we done it? It doesn't make sense to waste time and effort on backups before approaching your first choice. Yes you have a list of backups ready in case the top choice turns it down but why waste time interviewing them?
To avoid exactly the sort of embarrassing situation that wolves and now villa have got themselves into. By formulating your plans in advance hopefully the board will be pretty sure they have more than 1 and possibly 3/4 candidates that they know will accept the job if offered. Then its just a question of approaching them in the correct order. The only reason they wouldnt approach someone direct is if they are under contract so they will sound them out through their representatives. Indirectly tapping up if you like. CH fits into that group. All WBA are doing is making sure they are well prepared and they have the right people lined up. It just takes a little time. We should be thankful its fallen in between seasons.
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Agree with this completely. If CH is the choice then why haven't we approached Birmingham? It doesn't cost anything to approach them so why haven't we done it? It doesn't make sense to waste time and effort on backups before approaching your first choice. Yes you have a list of backups ready in case the top choice turns it down but why waste time interviewing them?
Because you want to determine who the best man for the job will be and you can only do that by having discussions with them in the first place. You don't want to make yourselves look like clowns moving from your first target to the next without having already done the groundwork as you have to continually start all over again if you get rejected. We have always had more than one option the last few manager getting a way down the line with Irvine and RDM followed by Hughton and Hodgson after them. It makes sense to talk to those out of work first as you don't have to worry about compensation issues, its just part of the process, you then have talks with the representatives of those already in work to see if they would be interested before making an official approach if you want to talk to them in any detail. I'm glad we are going about it this way instead of us looking like amateurish fools as other clubs have done recently.
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We can say we have spoken to people out of work and we are now moving onto speaking to people in work. Its all part of the process. Why just jump in approach CH then potentially look like clowns if it doesn't work out?
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Oh yes, I'd much rather we went round publicly asking every Tom, Dick and Harry only to be turned down, just like the Wolves.
Calm, quiet and under control. That's the way things should be dealt with.
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It would be nice to have an appointment before we reach 100 pages :)
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You are assuming that.
A. Peter pannu will give Albion permission to speak to Hughton.
B. that Hughton wants the job.
C. Do not under estimate the feeling Hughton has for BCFC the club, its players and its fans.
D. After the McLeish debacle with the Villa i cannot see Hughton doing a similar thing.
A. If Hughton wants to go he really doesn't have a choice, especially as his and Yeungs amateurish running of the club means there is actually a case for Hughton claiming Blues have breached his contract by not giving him the tools needed to do the job (i.e. the ability to recruit players).
B. He wanted it last time and is yet to rule himself out.
C. I enjoyed my first job and loved the people, sadly picking up balls on a golf range for £2.50 an hour was never going to be a long term career move.
D. We are nothing like Villa are to you and you barely register on our radar - your neaer to Coventry.
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http://betting.betfair.com/football/premier-league/how-aston-villa-chelsea-liverpool-and-west-brom-got-themselves-into-a-managerial-mess-280512-201.html
Ridiculously naive and clueless article.
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http://betting.betfair.com/football/premier-league/how-aston-villa-chelsea-liverpool-and-west-brom-got-themselves-into-a-managerial-mess-280512-201.html
Ridiculously naive and clueless article.
That article has infuriated me, how uninformed and dismissive.
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I had been warming to the idea of Hughton, but since the news of talks with Wilkins, as well as more conversations with ranieri, I've been taken by the notion of them both being at the Hawthorns.
Although I'm aware Wilkins was interviewed as a potential head coach, the chelsea links they both have make it a romantic yet ultimately unlikely match.
Ranieri would galvanise the squad and excite the fans in preperation for next season imo. We've heard from a couple of players talking about a big name (Long/Odemwingie) and if it were to be claudio as coach it might make certain players looking for pastures new think again.
Every managerial appointment is important for any club, but our stock hasn't been any higher in my lifetime, and if that means we have one chance to risk it with a name rather than one who would 'play safe' then maybe we should do that. I just get the feeling that two/three players from our first team may end up plotting a way out of the club and use the appointment as an excuse.
I'm not convinced that Hughton is as safe a bet as some think (as a manager not candidate - he's blatently one of the boards favourites).
My heart says Ranieri but my head says Hughton.
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H U G H T O N
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THIS MAN IS NAMED CHRIS Hughton, HE IS A COMIC BOOK CREATOR
(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/28010/1840253-ch_large.jpg)
THIS MAN IS NAMED CHRIS HUGHTON, HE IS A FOOTBALL MANAGER
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2010/10/26/1288108560016/Chris-Hughton-006.jpg)
WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT TO BECOME NEXT MANAGER OF WEST BROMWICH ALBION FOOTBALL CLUB ?
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That article has infuriated me, how uninformed and dismissive.
Read this just, unbelievable! Talk about lazy guesswork journalism. They couldn't of assessed the situation anymore incorrectly than they have.
The whole thing is taking so long because they want to make the right appointment twinned with the fact there is no rush. Wolves new man only technically appointed in charge today! Were yet to have the Euro's let alone pre-season.
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Mike Phelan has come into the betting now!!
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Mike Phelan has come into the betting now!!
Crikey who next??
Harry Potter, Alan Titchmarsh?!?!?!
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Mike Phelan has come into the betting now!!
Are you not the owner of Man U Mr Glazar :D
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Mike Phelan has come into the betting now!!
Is he on that coaching course today then?
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Mike Phelan has come into the betting now!!
I'd rather have Mike Bassett :o
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I'd rather have Mike Bassett :o
id rather have bertie bassett :'( :'(
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I actually enjoyed the betfair article. It don't mention loads of names we've been associated and was written as though they were desperate to put us in the same boat. What we all know and anyone who cares to think about it for two seconds is we are actually doing this right and we will have the right boss in sooner (if not later). No problem for me. Do what you do best JP and DA and keep us on the up.
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I hear the dodgy owner of Blues Carson has been refused in Hong Kong to have his frozen assets lifted.It could help force the issue now maybe, oh i dont know
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I hear the dodgy owner of Blues Carson has been refused in Hong Kong to have his frozen assets lifted.It could help force the issue now maybe, oh i dont know
would say absolutely definately jack. I wouldnt put past JP to have been waiting to see the outcome of this situation to strengthen his hand. Hes that hard nosed I suspect.
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would say absolutely definately jack. I wouldnt put past JP to have been waiting to see the outcome of this situation to strengthen his hand. Hes that hard nosed I suspect.
I'd be amazed if JP didn't have this very day circled in his diary.
Bid for Foster a week from now, once they realise they're in total financial hell.
Bid £4mill + Myhill take it of leave it and watch them squirm. They'll have no option.
Same goes for Houghtton 8) assuming we actually want him?!
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Ruthless JP to strike! Im still keen on Hughton im also keen on that german coach, looked him up sounds a good option. Ranieri or Wilkins, Ranieri seems more likely is Wilkins experienced enough as a manager? Got the day off tomorrow so will be nice if something happens
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I'd be amazed if JP didn't have this very day circled in his diary.
Bid for Foster a week from now, once they realise they're in total financial hell.
Bid £4mill + Myhill take it of leave it and watch them squirm. They'll have no option.
Same goes for Houghtton 8) assuming we actually want him?!
They can't sign Myhill due to embargo
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The article is interesting, it's more of a blog. what he got wrong though was mistaking our patience with bad running. He says that we had planned for a quick announcement with the Pool and vile (we never did) and that would be within 10 days (we said the end of THIS month)
whoever talked about the comic guy Hughton as manager.... at least the kit would look AWESOME and so would the sketches for the new stand. The Hawthorns turned into a literal fortress of solitude!
This is a loophole in their embargo ABaggie. They're technically not buying him, just trading and the sale of Foster is recorded as £4million on the books.
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I'd be happy with Hughton, done well at Blues and Newcastle and seems like a decent bloke too. Plus I feel he's more of a long term option than a Ranieri or AVB who might be more exciting appointments but would probably be off elsewhere as soon as they have some success with us. Don't want to be in this position AGAIN in a year's time! (looking for a new manager i mean, not 10th in the Premier League...)
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Hughton, Foster and Redmund 10 million see if they can turn down the money. I too think JP may have been waiting out to find out the extent of their finances. I think this next week will reveal how much poo blues are in financially.
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They can't sign Myhill due to embargo
No but we can loan him to them for next season when we complete the purchase of ben foster for a very reasonable transfer fee!
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No but we can loan him to them for next season when we complete the purchase of ben foster for a very reasonable transfer fee!
They can't loan in players while under the embargo either
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I have a feeling it is going to be Ranieri.
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I have a feeling it is going to be Ranieri.
Just a hunch??
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Just a hunch??
I'm not ITK at all, so I'm basing that statement on gut feeling. We never appoint the favourite and over the last decade each appointment has been a surprise. CR's odds are dropping again. I'm not really that fussed between CR and CH I think they will both be good in different ways but I do think appointing CR would show the footballing world we mean business and appointing a big name is the next step in 'the Albion project' IMO.
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Do 'The Sun' have some agreement with Chris Hughton to push his name as much for the Albion job as possible. Just looking at their news feed for us and it's like a bloody shrine to the bloke.
(http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/premteams/westbromwichalbion/)
Anyway the latest piece of lazy journalism suggests a decision is imminent (Don't all get too excited at once). Tell us something we don't already know!
CHRIS HUGHTON looks to have won the race to be West Brom’s new boss.
Baggies chiefs seem set to make a decision in the next 24 hours between Birmingham chief Hughton and surprise German candidate Ralf Rangnick.
Ex-Schalke boss Rangnick impressed in an interview last week and has moved ahead of Claudio Ranieri and Ray Wilkins in the pecking order.
But Hughton, 53, remains the favoured option and preparations are in hand to buy out his St Andrew’s contract for around £1million.
(http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4343447/Hughs-for-Blues.html)
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They can't loan in players while under the embargo either
Is that right Abaggie? didnt know that. Crikey their in a bigger pile of doggy doo doo than it appears. Feel sorry for the Blues fans. On the whole I think they are a decent bunch the most like us lot at WBA imo. They need to offload that Carson character asap but that wont be easy!
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Is that right Abaggie? didnt know that. Crikey their in a bigger pile of doggy doo doo than it appears. Feel sorry for the Blues fans. On the whole I think they are a decent bunch the most like us lot at WBA imo. They need to offload that Carson character asap but that wont be easy!
Seem to remember that sentence being used by Albion fans last year! ;)
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Is that right Abaggie? didnt know that. Crikey their in a bigger pile of doggy doo doo than it appears. Feel sorry for the Blues fans. On the whole I think they are a decent bunch the most like us lot at WBA imo. They need to offload that Carson character asap but that wont be easy!
As i understand it the embargo means that they cannot register any new players to play for them. That would cover loans & free transfers as well as players they want to buy.
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Seems Ranieri might be a non starter
Steve Madeley?@stevemadeley
Ranieri apparently in "advanced talks" with AS Monaco. Story to follow. #wba
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Seems Ranieri might be a non starter
Steve Madeley?@stevemadeley
Ranieri apparently in "advanced talks" with AS Monaco. Story to follow. #wba
im sure if we wanted him we'd fly him in and compete with advanced talks for ourselves
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I would rather live in West Brom than Monaco
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Association Sportive de Monaco are owned by a Russian billionaire.
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I would rather live in West Brom than Monaco
this person should be reported to the moderator as they're clearly crackers.
then again, nothing wrong with a bit of black country pride
boing boing
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So the debate will be "should we have moved faster" "maybe we werent interested enough"etc i guess we'll never know who our number one is unless we are to believe its Hughton.
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Thats my number one choice out of the running then :'(
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You never guess what.. Albion set to step up there manager search in the next 24 hours.
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You never guess what.. Albion set to step up there manager search in the next 24 hours.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralf_Rangnick
What does everybody think of Ralf Rangnick, theres his wiki for a brief outline of his career. He seems to be a very much 'thinking mans manager'. Looks a bit similar to how Hodgson works, clever, meticulous, mature. However he seems to move on after not very long with clubs, other than Hoffenheim, who currently are a similar size to our club but we have a more illustrious history. I know its been debated before but with the news Ranieri is on talks with monaco and Hughton still not approached this must put this guy back in the frame...
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2012/05/29/birmingham-city-must-not-sell-best-players-insists-manager-chris-hughton-97319-31065367/
Looks like Bosmans/frees/loans are allowed
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I don't think they are, the story looks like it's hinting that even when the embargo is lifted there is no cash for proper buys.
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I just got that feeling we will appoint a manager from abroad, but we got to be wary of this. Anyone remember Alan Perrin ? Won titles at Lyon then managed Pompey and nearly got them relegated , he was sacked 6 months into the job.
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Should set up a competition on Football Manager between all us fans whoever does the best get's a shot ;)
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He joined Lyon after managing Pompey up untiil joining pompey he had managed Troyes and took them from Non League to the Ligue 1 but at Marseille he had the same record as at Portsmouth which was very poor.
His record after Pompey was actually very very good.
He was in all fairness quite in experienced managing expectation levels I would say when he joined Pompey. Any foreign manager we will sign would be seriously vetted by the club.
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Seems Ranieri might be a non starter
Steve Madeley?@stevemadeley
Ranieri apparently in "advanced talks" with AS Monaco. Story to follow. #wba
Good I hope so because I really don't want him. Something about him I don't like and think it would be a big mistake. I must admit the name did draw me at first but having looked at his records he seems more of a journey man manager and that's not what we want. We want continuity.
Hughton is still my top choice. Hopefully we can push the boat out and get him.
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Wilkins met club officials in the Midlands last Wednesday with a view to becoming head coach rather than just an assistant role to which he has become accustomed.
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/29/west-brom-board-meets-to-discuss-mangerial-vacancy-but-no-move-for-chris-hughton-yet-97319-31065368/ (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/29/west-brom-board-meets-to-discuss-mangerial-vacancy-but-no-move-for-chris-hughton-yet-97319-31065368/)
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I would give it to Wilkins on is own over Hughton
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Do 'The Sun' have some agreement with Chris Hughton to push his name as much for the Albion job as possible. Just looking at their news feed for us and it's like a bloody shrine to the bloke.
(http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/premteams/westbromwichalbion/)
Anyway the latest piece of lazy journalism suggests a decision is imminent (Don't all get too excited at once). Tell us something we don't already know!
CHRIS HUGHTON looks to have won the race to be West Brom’s new boss.
Baggies chiefs seem set to make a decision in the next 24 hours between Birmingham chief Hughton and surprise German candidate Ralf Rangnick.
Ex-Schalke boss Rangnick impressed in an interview last week and has moved ahead of Claudio Ranieri and Ray Wilkins in the pecking order.
But Hughton, 53, remains the favoured option and preparations are in hand to buy out his St Andrew’s contract for around £1million.
(http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4343447/Hughs-for-Blues.html)
The board met last night but still no move for CH.
is he really our No1 candidate
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralf_Rangnick
What does everybody think of Ralf Rangnick, theres his wiki for a brief outline of his career. He seems to be a very much 'thinking mans manager'. Looks a bit similar to how Hodgson works, clever, meticulous, mature. However he seems to move on after not very long with clubs, other than Hoffenheim, who currently are a similar size to our club but we have a more illustrious history. I know its been debated before but with the news Ranieri is on talks with monaco and Hughton still not approached this must put this guy back in the frame...
I think Ragnick would be a great appointment. Has a great track record in Germany with plenty of experience. Often in charge of mid table sides like ourselves, not to forget excelling at Shalke, getting them to the semis of the champions league, beating the current champions inter on the way. He's also not alien to this country either, having coming to university here.
I don't think he's in the frame anymore though, as Dudleylad said he'd of been thoroughly vetted and if they feel he wasn't right for it any sense, they won't take the risk.
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I like Wilkins; I liked him as a player, intelligent & thoughtful; one of those players who made the very best of somewhat limited natural abilites, and they often make good managers. The question is why he might want it? Does he want to really test himself as a top flight manager? I think his understated nature might fit well into our setup.
Oh and that "Death Stare" (see Youtube). ;)
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"Its battery is full again. I think he gets back soon. He favors a job in the Premier League. Let's see if the Brits give a German coach a chance,"
- Dietmar Hopp(money man at Hoffenheim) said today regarding Ralf Rangnick
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If we're not going to appoint a big name I would not like some Alex McLeish/Steve Bruce hybrid bore who gets us relegated. If we're going to get relegated lets do it in style and appoint some crackpot Stale Solbakken-esque, enigmatic manager who nobody actually knows anything about. Perhaps who entertains us all with a foray into the unknown, absolutely unfathomable teamsheets and/or aesthetically pleasing football. Less defenders the better next season in my opinion.
That or I would like a well known, solid Premier League standard manager to help us push on and achieve another top half finish. I feel the candidates just simply are not there at the moment though.
Hughton, boring but would keep us up. Ranieri or Ray Wilkins, god knows. Lets just appoint the Zambia manager Hervé Renard, won the ACoN as complete underdogs. I've tried reloading saves and still can't do that on Football Manager - he must have something about him.
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I'm sure I'll be criticised, but I can't help but feel that we're now too much in the slow lane with this now. If we want Hughton, it's high time we made a move for him IMO.
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Hughton, boring but would keep us up.
Why would it/he be boring?
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Looking like AVB is going to go to AS Roma...
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Looking like AVB is going to go to AS Roma...
Thats my money down the pan then, bloody itk ers :D what do they know
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Why would it/he be boring?
Well, he's not exactly renowned for brilliant football but that is not what I was alluding to... I am just saying he is not really a big name manager who would give us a draw on high quality players, but he is not a bad manager and I doubt would see us relegated. I imagine he would consolidate us a lower midtable, but the danger of that is the only real direction to go is downwards.
Or Hughton could come in and do a fantastic job. Will he match Hodgson though? I doubt it.
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Ranieri Gone....NEXT!
Below the Top League?@tiertwofooty
France: Claudio Ranieri has been announced as the new Coach of AS Monaco. @FrenchFtWeekly
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FFS !
92 pages of the same thing.........
No-one knows f*** all, the club are'nt saying anything.
Patience dear !!!
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Ranieri just announced as Monaco coach. Which makes it all the more odd we've still to approach Blues yet, there must be a manager we're waiting on somewhere (and it appears its not Ranieri) for us to take this long to approach them. The question is who really.
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It could be that things are in place and thats why Ranieri has chosen to go to Monaco??
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Ranieri just announced as Monaco coach. Which makes it all the more odd we've still to approach Blues yet, there must be a manager we're waiting on somewhere (and it appears its not Ranieri) for us to take this long to approach them. The question is who really.
I think its Rangnick, if not Hughton.
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We dont seem to have had i have seen a car in the car park with a certain number plate of late, i do enjoy those stories
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Hmmmm the mystery goes on! You'd think hughton would be approached soon
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Hmmmm the mystery goes on! You'd think hughton would be approached soon
And Appleton too maybe?
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Not announced on their official web site though?
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We need a manager asap, or players will start getting fidgity
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We need a manager asap, or players will start getting fidgity
Why should they start getting fidgity? They are contracted to us whether they like it or not.
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Swansea could be in the market for a manager soon.
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Swansea could be in the market for a manager soon.
Or Wigan
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We need a manager asap, or players will start getting fidgity
Doubt it, they are having a nice time in Marbella.
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Doubt it, they are having a nice time in Marbella.
I wonder if our new manager is sunning himself somewhere too :D
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the players are all in the sun! its just us fans getting fidgity
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still holding out for laudrup. its going to be him. i just know it.
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Hold on tight it could be starting to move.....
Chris Lepkowski?@chrislepkowski
significant news on #wba job search to follow shortly via colleague @briandick
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Significant news coming up shortly according to Chris L on twitter.
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still holding out for laudrup. its going to be him. i just know it.
I hope so I put a fiver on him at 113/1 with Betfair :)
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What's the betting the news is "West Brom plan to approach Hughton in the next 48 hours".
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Im getting excited now!!
Steve Madeley?@stevemadeley
Ranieri to Monaco now confirmed by reliable Italian journalist. Lots of stuff seemingly happening, hopefully updates to come soon. #wba
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Why would Chris be waiting news from Brian Dick? Is he the Blues journo by any chance?
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Claudio Ranieris got the Monaco Job !!!
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Why would Chris be waiting news from Brian Dick? Is he the Blues journo by any chance?
Brian Dick is covering CL holiday, Colin Tattum is the Bluenose
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oooh come on whats the news, watching twitter like a hawk!
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Brian Dick is covering for CL while he is on holiday (thats my understanding anyway)...!
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Brian Dick is covering CL holiday, Colin Tattum is the Bluenose
Ahhhh! ok. So he's using CL's twitter account while copying himself in on the tweet?
Makes sence!
Cheers
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if its "baggies approach hughton" it will be annoying. we've known they are going to do that for days.
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/29/west-brom-claudio-ranieri-joins-as-monaco-say-reports-in-france-97319-31069424/
West Brom: Claudio Ranieri joins AS Monaco, say reports in France
By Brian Dick
May 29 2012
WEST Brom target Claudio Ranieri has become head coach of AS Monaco according to reports in France.
The 60-year-old had met with Albion twice in the last fortnight but has constantly been linked with other clubs across the world.
Monaco were the latest to be connected with the former Chelsea boss and according to the Twitter feed of French website, Frenchfootballweekly.com, the deal has been done.
If that is true Albion could be forced to step up their pursuit of Birmingham boss Chris Hughton, for whom they have not made a formal approach.
It would also leave them open to criticism for taking too long to appoint Roy Hodgson's successor if indeed the reports about Monaco are true.
Ranieri has been out of work since being sacked by Inter a couple of months ago and Albion have been looking for a new manager for four weeks.
As well as Ranieri they have spoken to Ray Wilkins, former Schalke boss Ralf Rangnick and Roy Keane among others.
What a boring story.
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/29/west-brom-claudio-ranieri-joins-as-monaco-say-reports-in-france-97319-31069424/
West Brom: Claudio Ranieri joins AS Monaco, say reports in France
By Brian Dick
May 29 2012
WEST Brom target Claudio Ranieri has become head coach of AS Monaco according to reports in France.
The 60-year-old had met with Albion twice in the last fortnight but has constantly been linked with other clubs across the world.
Monaco were the latest to be connected with the former Chelsea boss and according to the Twitter feed of French website, Frenchfootballweekly.com, the deal has been done.
If that is true Albion could be forced to step up their pursuit of Birmingham boss Chris Hughton, for whom they have not made a formal approach.
It would also leave them open to criticism for taking too long to appoint Roy Hodgson's successor if indeed the reports about Monaco are true.
Ranieri has been out of work since being sacked by Inter a couple of months ago and Albion have been looking for a new manager for four weeks.
As well as Ranieri they have spoken to Ray Wilkins, former Schalke boss Ralf Rangnick and Roy Keane among others.
What a boring story.
No way its that surely?
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is that it? it can't be.
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Wow that was the big news? We knew this at noon.
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Its taking the biscuit out of out intelliegence if thats an update
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Chris Hughton it is then??
Colin Tattum?@colintattum
significant news on #blues Chris Hughton and #wba coming up #bcfc
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i don't think that is the news. that was posted on newsnow over 2 hours ago. brian dick posted about 5 mins ago saying he is waiting for the link from b'ham mail to link to a new article.
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That updates from earlier this afternoon, the story isn't on the website yet.
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Chris Hughton it is then??
Colin Tattum?@colintattum
significant news on #blues Chris Hughton and #wba coming up #bcfc
Maybe we we finally made an approach.
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i hope the news is more than an approach! and reaction for blues would be nice!
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Aslong as it aint Hughton rules out WBA job I will be VERY happy.
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I was about to say the same thing Southampton, it must be something else
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Surely it won't just be an approach, given they've been reporting we'd approach them for a week now i'm not sure that qualifies as significant news.
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I reckon he has quit!
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Surely it won't just be an approach, given they've been reporting we'd approach them for a week now i'm not sure that qualifies as significant news.
I dont know, I would see it as pretty signicificent though if it was the case. Then we all know its fact and not just speculation about our interest.
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I reckon hes walked from blues. Or blues have turned our approach down.
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Here comes the left field appointment ...
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Anticipation.... Bet it's nowt major!
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Still awaiting link.... Could this be the day? Make or break? Or a story confirming our other targets have dropped out?
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I reckon hes walked from blues. Or blues have turned our approach down.
Cover all bases! ;D
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What kind of football journo goes on holiday this time of year? Hang your head in shame CL! :P
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Cover all bases! ;D
Well... Had to didn't I ;-)
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Rangnick emerging as leading contender
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New favourite. Wikins out. Hughton looking out of running.
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/29/west-brom-ray-wilkins-out-of-manager-contest-as-new-favourite-emerges-97319-31070933/
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/29/west-brom-ray-wilkins-out-of-manager-contest-as-new-favourite-emerges-97319-31070933/
Be over the moon with him.
I must say my heart sank when I saw Ray Wilkins name in the headline however.
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WBA put off Hughton after £2mil+ was quoted in compensation on approach for him.
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Would be very happy with Rangnick.
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impressed.....
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Never heard of him before but will read up on him now. Wonder if he will be in place by end of the month like the club said?
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Just went straight onto betfair and had him at 3-1, gutted though he was 47/1 earlier!!!
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Steve Madeley ?@stevemadeley
Germany media reporting Albion have made an offer to Ralf Rangnick
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Just went straight onto betfair and had him at 3-1, gutted though he was 47/1 earlier!!!
Im gutted too, I seen it about Ralf in the german press earlier too even posted the quotes brum mail have used, wish I bet.
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Hope they push on with this now! After reading up earlier I'd be happy
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Interesting to read he left shalke due to exhaustion syndrome.
Reading on his record. Has just over a 47% win ratio. Wouldn't be a bad appointment IMO. Better than Hughton for me.
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Rangnick's Barmy Army! ;D
I must admit, I know very little of the chap, as probably most Albion fans so at least there is a degree of the unexpected if we apoint this guy.
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No Prem experience worries me, albeit this would be an interesting appointment.
I wonder how much of this is a bluff for CH to throw the towel in at Blues and walk to us, thus avoid having to pay the £2mill compo?
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Any idea how this german guy plays his football?
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A much bigger pull than Hughton, have we got a tune for Ralf.Is he a pass and move type of Manager
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Any idea how this german guy plays his football?
go back and watch the Champs league Shalke team from last year, there's your answer
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Very interesting if this was to happen. Would be very pleased as well. An experienced manager who will hopefully keep us in this divsion if not take us further.
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I wonder how much of this is a bluff for CH to throw the towel in at Blues and walk to us, thus avoid having to pay the £2mill compo?
It's a possibility?
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£2m is a hell of a lot of compo for a hughton. i don't think he is worth that.
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dont know much about this german bloke, but will give him my full backing, if he comes our manager
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That extra £2 milliom can be used into signing Foster ;)
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Looks like we asked Blues how much for Hughton and they said £2m we replied fair enough keep him. Hopefully Rangnick joins seems to be a coach with a pedigree not dissimilar to Roy's managed some big clubs but also done well with smaller teams punching above their weight sounds ideal.
It would appear that Raneiri has landed the Monaco job so if we don't sign Rangnick then the field is looking a bit thin
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£2m is a hell of a lot of compo for a hughton. i don't think he is worth that.
It's probably for Calderwood/Trollope and the rest of the backroom staff as well.
Compo was always likely to be that amount in my opinion.
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No nothing about him but his track record seems very good!
Apparently he has turned down Anderlecht and Besiktas lately and is a big fan of the premier league and would be first german to coach a premiership team (Yep, just been reading twitter!)
And at all his jobs (with the exception of the last one which was very close) he has always won more games than he has lost, good sign!
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Had a feeling it was compensation holding up the Hughton approach. I think the club knew they would not be able to afford his fee. I expect us to get Foster now though - let them keep Butland.
Ralf Rangnick is a huge name in European coaching so if we get him it will cause a stir. Shows our stature as a club that we are getting a manager considered for some of he top jobs in Europe. About time a German managed in England.
Wanted Hughton but more than happy with Ragnick.
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ralf was linked to liverpool when roy left
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Also the German league I believe system and set up wise is the most similar too the Premier League than any other league in Europe.
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steve maddely on twitter just said, no offer has been made to anyone, but theres has been fresh contact with rangnick
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Would be very happy with Rangnick, his record sounds superb. We are unique in having a director of football set up, so we may as well utilise it by bringing in a top coach from Europe who is used to a role rather than the limited selection of managers available in England at the moment.
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Very interesting if this was to happen. Would be very pleased as well. An experienced manager who will hopefully keep us in this divsion if not take us further.
Ragnick without doubt has a far more impressive cv than CH. We would get a manager who plays football (which fits our tradition) so I can't help be pleased if we sign him. Obviously there are risks with signing him (like culture shock) but I prefer for us to take chances rather than always go for the safe bet and eventually stagnate. We do have the players to play football so I think this would fit us better than many British coaches.
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As somebody else said i wonder if this has been released to force Blues hand a bit, especially now it seems an offer hasnt actually been made to Rangnick.
I think if they are in as much s**t as made out then money talks, nobody else appears to be in for Hughton and if they are that desperate they may have to accept money for him, get the compensation fee whats offered,save his wages and get a younger upcoming cheaper manager in, basically we may be calling there bluff, just a thought.
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As somebody else said i wonder if this has been released to force Blues hand a bit, especially now it seems an offer hasnt actually been made.
I think if they are in as much s**t as made out then money talks, nobody else appears to be in for Hughton and if they are that desperate they may have to accept money for him, get the compensation fee whats offered,save his wages and get a younger upcoming cheaper manager in, basically we may be calling there bluff, just a thought.
But as others have pointed out Blues would look to fleece us if we went for both Hughton and Foster. Basically most, if not all, of our transfer money might be spent on those two so what's the point?
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Who was it on here that called for Ralf Rangnick before Roy had even left?
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Rangnick now trending on twitter. I hope we can convince him to come. Wouldnt be surprised if Villa or somebody like that make a late approach.
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Trivia
Has always professed a passionate desire to reside in a penthouse apartment in Smethwick
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralf_Rangnick
haha! Wiki editors are on the case already! I for one would am getting very excited about him after reading up. Good CV, seems to work well with mid-table clubs, no compensation. Ticks all the boxes
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For those who are interested, his style of play is attacking and passing, with an emphasis on counter attacking quickly and pressuring in defence.
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All comments along the lines of "dont want a German" will be removed. Besides, if you want one nation who know about football it has to be them
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As somebody else said i wonder if this has been released to force Blues hand a bit, especially now it seems an offer hasnt actually been made to Rangnick.
I think if they are in as much s**t as made out then money talks, nobody else appears to be in for Hughton and if they are that desperate they may have to accept money for him, get the compensation fee whats offered,save his wages and get a younger upcoming cheaper manager in, basically we may be calling there bluff, just a thought.
No this is almost certainly not a negotiating ploy not our style we would make the point but privately, for this much detail to be out in the public domain the club has briefed the media would now be very surprised if we did not make our move for Rangnick.
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This is great news IF true. To attract a Champions League semi finalist with bags of both experience and respect in Germany and who has refused jobs with the attraction of European football is incredible.
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If media has been briefed by the club, then going from past experience, we have made our choice and basically concluded negotiations.
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Why should they start getting fidgity? They are contracted to us whether they like it or not.
Like that has stopped anyone before?
Anyway hopefully it will be sorted soon 8)
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Like that has stopped anyone before?
Anyway hopefully it will be sorted soon 8)
Who are you referring to?
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Footballers in general mate.
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Das ist sehr gut! Ich bin happy! I agree with grgr if this much is out it must be close being as how quiet the club has been. If we fail for him however I fear for us due to the lack of options. Need to get a wriggle on as villa may sniff. Swansea/Wigan could soon be managerless
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I hope so too, i am quite excited about Rangnick, dont know much about him but i think thats what makes it exciting, something new and different!
what i meant about making things public, we do it with players, and normally force somebody elses hand and get the deal to suit us. Not saying we have done that with Hughton just a thought, what can understand Blues is that they can try and fleece us or fleece anyone but they dont have a pot to p**s in so there will come a point where they have to just accept whats offered to them like they did with players last summer.
As i say not saying that is the case but just was a thought and regarding Foster, based on the above, unless somebody else comes in for him it wouldnt surprise me we wait until the start of the new season or the end of the transfer window to get him, if somebody else bids for him it forces us to act but otherwise it wouldnt surprise me Blues quote us £8m of whatever, we sit tight, wait til the above dates and get him for £4-5m as they wont be in a position to turn it down.
I hope we get Rangnick and Foster and Blues sort themselves out, i dont mind the Blues and if they are as bad as made out it must be tough for the fans everytime they get something positive its sold off cheap, the fans are the ones who suffer.
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Rangnick would be a cracking appointment in my book really would show how we've risen as a club and his record is great, really hope its him ( maybe a cheeky bid for Huntelaar would be in order :D )
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http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/01/ralf-rangnick-next-liverpool-manager/
He continues: “Ralf Rangnick is a ‘German Wenger’… an empire builder and an advocate of attacking football.”
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http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/01/ralf-rangnick-next-liverpool-manager/
He continues: “Ralf Rangnick is a ‘German Wenger’… an empire builder and an advocate of attacking football.”
The more I hear about him the more he seems too good for us. I hope we snag him quickly - before someone else does.
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Fingers crossed this is true who the hell would have thought 10 years ago we would be attracting managers who made the semi finals of the champions league.
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Why do I get the feeling that Villa are going to nab him from under our noses?
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Had a feeling it was compensation holding up the Hughton approach. I think the club knew they would not be able to afford his fee.
We could easily afford it, but we're seemingly unwilling to pay it. The ball is in Hughton's court now of course - if he thinks Blues are unreasonably pricing him out of it, he might take matters into his own hands.
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http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7785641/Friday-feeling-for-Reds
"Liverpool's search for a new manager to replace the sacked Kenny Dalglish could come to a conclusion this week with an announcement expected on Friday.
Wigan's Roberto Martinez had been the front-runner for a long time, only for Swansea's Brendan Rodgers to take over as the bookmakers' favourite overnight.
The pair have been the two main candidates throughout the two-week process of whittling down potential contenders and it is now believed an announcement will be made on Friday.
Both Martinez and Rodgers returned to Britain in the last 24 hours after trips across the Atlantic but only the former had spoken to Reds principal owner John Henry, interrupting a holiday in Barbados to fly to Miami for brief talks."
Looks like we need to hurry up, Wigan or Swansea could be joining us and Villa in the same pool for managers.
I just hope DA and JP can sell The Albion to Rangnick in the same way that they did to Hodgson.
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Just had a tenner on Rangnick looking at a return of £30. I never really win bets so that means he will turn us down >:(
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If we appoint Rangrick then i hope it's for all the right reasons,ie,he made a great impression about his vision for us at his interview,that Dan has sounded him out thoroughly,and that his type of football is what Albion would expect.
Not because Chris Hughton was £2m to get.
Still haven't renewed yet Mr Peace.
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I've ordered my ticket today. Regardless of who our boss will be, I hope it's this guy though! Impressive CV. Go get him!
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I find it pretty depressing that some fans base their choice on whether to renew their season ticket or not on who our manager will be. Have some faith for goodness sake.
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I find it pretty depressing that some fans base their choice on whether to renew their season ticket or not on who our manager will be. Have some faith for goodness sake.
My sentiments exactly.
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Very interesting having read a bit about the guy - could also bring some undoubted bargains from the Bundesliga if he came !
I never expected Ranieri and it has looked Hughton all along but this guy is totally left of field so, if the management are impressed and the deal can be done, let's hope we can seal it quickly to stop other clubs sniffing (Vile !!!!).................
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My sentiments exactly.
ditto................we are at the top of our game as a club at this level so, if you can afford it and want to see YOUR club, I cannot see you wouldn't want to get your ticket ?
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ditto................we are at the top of our game as a club at this level so, if you can afford it and want to see YOUR club, I cannot see you wouldn't want to get your ticket ?
I had one a couple of seasons ago, but had to give it up due to finance troubles, now I can afford one so I've ordered it and paying Saturday. Brummie end.
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Having read up on Ralf Rangnick (from now on just Ralf) I think he looks a fantastic appointment.
If the deciding factor on a 50/50 split was CH needing £2mill to buy out contract then that's fair enough. We've a limited amount of money and i'd rather secure Ben with those funds.
Oh and he's now 10/11 to be appointed by SkyBet
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I had one a couple of seasons ago, but had to give it up due to finance troubles, now I can afford one so I've ordered it and paying Saturday. Brummie end.
Good man ! ;D
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I really hope JP can pull this off. IMO this could potentially be a huge appointment.
Onwards and upwards!
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If we appoint Rangrick then i hope it's for all the right reasons,ie,he made a great impression about his vision for us at his interview,that Dan has sounded him out thoroughly,and that his type of football is what Albion would expect.
Not because Chris Hughton was £2m to get.
Still haven't renewed yet Mr Peace.
Dear me. You holding Peace to ransom then I guess?
Just find it bizarre how people draw a s connection between the choice of a manager and decision whether to renew a season ticket.
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ive been a critic of jp in the past but with the last 2 appointments he has made as manager i will back whoever he chooses as there are not to many stand out people to takeover. hughton seems to be alot of peoples favourites but im not overly excited by him...i will trust jp has done everything right to choose our next head coach and deserves the backing off albion fans
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My ST will not be decided by who becomes our manager.I was going to the Hawthorns decades before some of you were born.
If it is Rangrick then he will get my full support.
But as i say i hope it's for the right reasons and not because Hughton would cost too much.
Hand on heart how many of you had heard of the guy before this week,and how many of you have hed to google him?
Why isn't he on the list of choices at the top of this thread.
He might be a good manager,but i think some of you go OTT a lot on people you have never heard of. lol.
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I still wouldn't rule out Hughton, why would we even ask Birmingham to speak to Hughton after we had interviews with Ralf? knowing full well what to expect with Chris considering we interviewed him a year ago. Still think the club want Chris as first choice.
Why would we risk hampering relations with Birmingham if there was a chance we were going to turn Chris down in favour of Ralf, considering we want to sign Foster.
If Chris resigned now for example, I am pretty sure who our new head coach would be.
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He was apparently on the cover of EA Football Manager 2011... He must be good ;D
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My ST will not be decided by who becomes our manager.I was going to the Hawthorns decades before some of you were born.
If it is Rangrick then he will get my full support.
But as i say i hope it's for the right reasons and not because Hughton would cost too much.
Hand on heart how many of you had heard of the guy before this week,and how many of you have hed to google him?
Why isn't he on the list of choices at the top of this thread.
He might be a good manager,but i think some of you go OTT a lot on people you have never heard of. lol.
Why would it matter or not if people haven't heard of him before? Just because someone might be more well known it doesn't make them a better candidate.
I'm thankful we have people at the club who do know people like Rangrick, and not like others who just pluck through the ordinary and obvious choices.
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My ST will not be decided by who becomes our manager.I was going to the Hawthorns decades before some of you were born.
If it is Rangrick then he will get my full support.
But as i say i hope it's for the right reasons and not because Hughton would cost too much.
Hand on heart how many of you had heard of the guy before this week,and how many of you have hed to google him?
Why isn't he on the list of choices at the top of this thread.
He might be a good manager,but i think some of you go OTT a lot on people you have never heard of. lol.
Sounded like it in your last post to be fair mate.
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If Hughton is the right manager then the club should cough up without doubt.The right manager is worth 2 million easily
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If Hughton is the right manager then the club should cough up without doubt.Thr right manager is worth 2 million easily
Thats my point in a nutshell,this appointment could make or break us.Every managerial appointment is a gamble, granted,but you shouldn't be afraid to gamble over £2m in todays game.
This decision by the club has to be because they feel it is the right appointment for us at this time,and for no other reason.
We didn't sign Jelavic over money and he is scoring like Billy o at Everton.
Rangrick likes fast passing,and thats what we like,lets be honest some of our fans were not that excited by Roys style even though he moved the club on.
Lets hope if we get Rangrick it is because he can keep the momentum going AND make us attractive to watch.
Then he would be the right appointment. ;)
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If Hughton is the right manager then the club should cough up without doubt.Thr right manager is worth 2 million easily
I couldn't agree more. £2m is a paultry amount of money by todays football standards. CH doesn't really excite me but if the club decides he's the best man for the job then they will have to pay.
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If Hughton is the right manager then the club should cough up without doubt.Thr right manager is worth 2 million easily
Best comment I've read for a while. DA and JP have a wealth of experience and the evidence seems to suggest that Hughton has always been first choice would make him my first choice; even though Rangnick is a good manager. Clubs shelling out £2mil for players these days is regarded as 'cheap'. A manager will always have a bigger influence at a club than the players in my opinion. So I can't see why compensation of £2mil is being regarded as too big a price to pay?
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I couldn't agree more. £2m is a paultry amount of money by todays football standards. CH doesn't really excite me but if the club decides he's the best man for the job then they will have to pay.
I think they do think Chris is still the best man for the job, why even ask for Birmingham for permission after speaking to Ralf. If we thought Ralf was the best man for the job after his interview why even bother asking for Chris, when we know near enough how Chris is and how an interview with him would go considering we interviewed him only a year a go, and was said to be impressed.
If we want CH we should pay the money, unless this is a ploy to try and get his price down. That said Ralf would be a decent appointment, albeit not the clubs first choice, but still decent.
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At the end of the day our last two appointments by JP have been Di matteo who did his objective in getting us up and then went on to CL glory.
Then Roy was given the nod over Hughton. We had secured the reigning manager of the year. He did his objective of premier league safety with ease and now look at him.
I am confident whoever they appoint will be the right one after considerable thought.
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I think they do think Chris is still the best man for the job, why even ask for Birmingham for permission after speaking to Ralf. If we thought Ralf was the best man for the job after his interview why even bother asking for Chris, when we know near enough how Chris is and how an interview with him would go considering we interviewed him only a year a go, and was said to be impressed.
If we want CH we should pay the money, unless this is a ploy to try and get his price down. That said Ralf would be a decent appointment, albeit not the clubs first choice, but still decent.
We've got a fairly long history with our current set- up of interviewing and scoping out tonnes of possible bosses.
Best comment I've read for a while. DA and JP have a wealth of experience and the evidence seems to suggest that Hughton has always been first choice would make him my first choice; even though Rangnick is a good manager. Clubs shelling out £2mil for players these days is regarded as 'cheap'. A manager will always have a bigger influence at a club than the players in my opinion. So I can't see why compensation of £2mil is being regarded as too big a price to pay?
What evidence? The papers? Nothing has actually come from the club to suggest who DA and JP think the right man for the job is, the bookies are good evidence of that; they change dramatically virtually every day.
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At the end of the day our last two appointments by JP have been Di matteo who did his objective in getting us up and then went on to CL glory.
Then Roy was given the nod over Hughton. We had secured the reigning manager of the year. He did his objective of premier league safety with ease and now look at him.
I am confident whoever they appoint will be the right one after considerable thought.
Roberto Di Matteo, Roy Hodgson and Ralf Rangnick. I think I have the criteria on our new management recruitment policy.
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We've got a fairly long history with our current set- up of interviewing and scoping out tonnes of possible bosses.
The only manager in a job we have approached is Chris, that just happens to be a manager we have spoke to before and know exactly what to expect. Like I said earlier, would we want to risk wetting of Birmingham if it wasn't needed considering we want Foster? There is no other manager we have approached that is currently in work, as of yet.
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If anyone is listening to Talksport tonight the German expert, Gabriel Marcotti equivalent will be talking about our Ralf on the show in a while
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If anyone is listening to Talksport tonight the German expert, Gabriel Marcotti equivalent will be talking about our Ralf on the show in a while
Nice, is it available online?
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Nice, is it available online?
Yes because thats how i am listening right now. Ian Danter Blues fan is the show presenter funnily enough
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Yes because thats how i am listening right now. Ian Danter Blues fan is the show presenter funnily enough
Ok thanks, http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/how-to-listen for anyone else interested.
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On September 22, 2011, Ralf Rangnick stepped down as Schalke's manager due to exhaustion syndrome, stating that he currently does not have "the necessary energy to be successful and to develop the team and the club"
That would be the biggest worry for myself closely followed by his lack of experience in England. At this stage I feel, we should be appointing somebody with a proven track record in England.
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That would be the biggest worry for myself closely followed by his lack of experience in England. At this stage I feel, we should be appointing somebody with a proven track record in England.
It will be interesting to hear what the German football expert has to say on Talksport this evening
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Apparently Rangnick's Schalke beat Solbakken's Koln 5-1 last August. :D
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If anyone is listening to Talksport tonight the German expert, Gabriel Marcotti equivalent will be talking about our Ralf on the show in a while
Has he been on yet mate?
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Apparently Rangnick's Schalke beat Solbakken's Koln 5-1 last August. :D
I love the bloke already. ;D
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As a lot of people have said already, we have a limited amount of money with a lot being committed to the development of the academy. So what we have left we have to spend wisely, and if that means getting Foster and Rangnick rather than Hughton and Gordon/Boruc etc then I'd personally go for the former. A keeper of Fosters quality will be a bigger asset to us than a manager and there is no guarantee that Hughton is any better or worse than Rangnick.
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Has he been on yet mate?
No will let you all know when he comes on
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Would be an extremely positive appointment. Don't think it will materialise, though. He would be aiming slightly higher than ourselves I imagine.
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@AA_Richards: @chrislepkowski Very good scout of players. Demba Ba, Obasi, Salihovic, Compper, Beck. Brought through & developed all at Hoffenheim.
Just seen this
Has a good eye for players.
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That would be the biggest worry for myself closely followed by his lack of experience in England. At this stage I feel, we should be appointing somebody with a proven track record in England.
Pep Guardiola has no experience in England either, would you turn him down? Give me someone who has done exceptional things in other great leagues like Ragnick, than someone who's done decent stuff in England like Hughton.
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No will let you all know when he comes on
Cheers got the stream on now. We need a manager who will stay for a while. I can't see us getting both Hughton AND Foster though. If I had a choice I'd go for the Goalie
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I dont get the comments where people say stuff like "lets be honest, whos even heard of him and had to google him".....yes that'd be me, i dont follow bundesliga infact i dont follow anything other than English football. That means ive heard of Ian Holloway, Paolo Di Canio, Uwe Rosler, Micheal Appleton, doesn't mean they're better choices merely because i've heard of them. He sounds like a very good manager. Having a manager that mirrors that record in the premier league with that premier league experience wouldn't even be possible for us.
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I dont get the comments where people say stuff like "lets be honest, whos even heard of him and had to google him".....yes that'd be me, i dont follow bundesliga infact i dont follow anything other than English football. That means ive heard of Ian Holloway, Paolo Di Canio, Uwe Rosler, Micheal Appleton, doesn't mean they're better choices merely because i've heard of them. He sounds like a very good manager. Having a manager that mirrors that record in the premier league with that premier league experience wouldn't even be possible for us.
I agree with this, gotta say I more excited about Rangnick than I am if we signed Hughton. Though I wouldn't overly upset with either of them
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,598721,00.html
I wont post the above link as it is too long but it is an interesting interview with Rangnick
http://www.liverpoolfcnews.net/ralf-rangnick-next-liverpool-manager/link/45925/
The above link is also too long to post but again well worth a read. I especially like Tor Kristian Karlsens line about him being the German Wenger.
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I there anything bad about Rangnick?!
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I dont get the comments where people say stuff like "lets be honest, whos even heard of him and had to google him".....yes that'd be me, i dont follow bundesliga infact i dont follow anything other than English football. That means ive heard of Ian Holloway, Paolo Di Canio, Uwe Rosler, Micheal Appleton, doesn't mean they're better choices merely because i've heard of them. He sounds like a very good manager. Having a manager that mirrors that record in the premier league with that premier league experience wouldn't even be possible for us.
The way to look at it is,we have progressed tremendously in the last 15 months under Roy.Are we going to gamble on an unkown when a manager who has managed at this level is 5 miles down the road?
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If he falls ill again he could end up leaving us again, only a few months into his spell here. He will also be looking at us as a stepping stone and no doubt has an eye on a bigger club within a few seasons but unlike many fans I dont really care about that. Two years of exciting football will do me.
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He quit in September due to exhaustion,just a month into the season that doesn't sound good but there maybe reasons outside of football i have no idea.
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To be honest, Ralf Rangnik much more encourages me than Ranieri/Wilkins, and he would be an appointment much more in line with the Continental model we have. Ranieri has had a mixed record lately. In many ways, from what I have heard the German Bundesliga is much more of a Traditional Fans league (eg standing, not all seating) than the PL, and the lower teams seem to have more of a chance of success than in the PL.
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Has anybody thought all this about us dropping intrest in Hughton could be to force his hand and resign his post
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He's German........ That's about it! ;D
I think hat's a positive, seeing how Germany are lowly creeping up on Spain and England and will soon be the biggest league i he world again ;)
He is cocky and abrasive according to somethings ive read as well. Maybe a bit of a character flaw. Expect him to lay into Stoke when we play them. Im guessing Wenger mark 2, with the Stoke fans having another reason to dislike us.
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Has anybody thought all this about us dropping intrest in Hughton could be to force his hand and resign his post
I don't think he would do that mate,he would look mighty stupid if we didn't appoint him afterwards.
The proper way is to ask the club permission to speak to him,and Albion always do things the proper way.
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I know Baggies, i was only kidding. Quess we get to sing "Albion Albion Uber alles"
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I know Baggies, i was only kidding. Quess we get to sing "Albion Albion Uber alles"
As a side issue, will we still be able to do the 'yam yam yam yam yam yam yam' chant? :o
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I'll be honest I didnt know anything about the guy but what I've been reading tonight has been very impressive.
I particularly like the fact he plays good quality attacking football which I think suits most of our better players rather than Roys style.
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Pep Guardiola has no experience in England either, would you turn him down? Give me someone who has done exceptional things in other great leagues like Ragnick, than someone who's done decent stuff in England like Hughton.
At this stage in our development, I would have reservations about Guardiola. What has he done with a team of our size and ambition? Guardiola cannot be accuarately judged as he inherited arguably the best team of all-time. That's not to say he isn't as good as what he's made out to be. Like Guardiola, Rangnick is unproven here. I would prefer somebody who is fully proven. Rangnick could turn out to be a great appointment, but that is sometyhing we'll all have to hold our breath to see. Someone like Curbishley with a decade of success through the 2000's for me would pretty much guarantee consolidation next season.
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I'll be honest I didnt know anything about the guy but what I've been reading tonight has been very impressive.
I particularly like the fact he plays good quality attacking football which I think suits most of our better players rather than Roys style.
What I do hope is that emphasis isn't on all out attack. I'd like to think that Ralf could recognised our new improve defensive foundations and find a happy medium between the two. The last thing we need to see is 8 players in the opponents half leaving our centre backs horribly exposed. I had enough of that under previous managers.
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What I do hope is that emphasis isn't on all out attack. I'd like to think that Ralf could recognised our new improve defensive foundations and find a happy medium between the two. The last thing we need to see is 8 players in the opponents half leaving our centre backs horribly exposed. I had enough of that under previous managers.
What German manager doesn't know about defence?
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He could also have a big influence with us Keeping some of our superstars as opposed to someone like hughton maybe
99 Pages i see
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What German manager doesn't know about defence?
Don't quite know how to answer that. I was referring to what I have read to today. That he advocates attacking, entertaining football. To do that, I imagine there will be a lot of fluidity and freedom in our play. It's possibe that doing this will stray certain players from their defensive roles. What I wouldn't like to see is all out attack meaning we lose the solid defensive footing we have recently found. I had enough heart attacks watching us before without going through the process again!! ;)
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Don't quite know how to answer that. I was referring to what I have read to today. That he advocates attacking, entertaining football. To do that, I imagine there will be a lot of fluidity and freedom in our play. It's possibe that doing this will stray certain players from their defensive roles. What I wouldn't like to see is all out attack meaning we lose the solid defensive footing we have recently found. I had enough heart attacks watching us before without going through the process again!! ;)
Get Tchoyi back NOW!!! ;D
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He could also have a big influence with us Keeping some of our superstars as opposed to someone like hughton maybe
99 Pages i see
How many pages did Carew get?!?
Talksport will be talking about Ralf soon apparently but theyve been saying that since 8...
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At this stage in our development, I would have reservations about Guardiola. What has he done with a team of our size and ambition? Guardiola cannot be accuarately judged as he inherited arguably the best team of all-time. That's not to say he isn't as good as what he's made out to be. Like Guardiola, Rangnick is unproven here. I would prefer somebody who is fully proven. Rangnick could turn out to be a great appointment, but that is sometyhing we'll all have to hold our breath to see. Someone like Curbishley with a decade of success through the 2000's for me would pretty much guarantee consolidation next season.
No manager guarantees consolidation, new managers are always a bit of a gamble, Curbishley would definitely be a gamble these days.
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Its all Liverpool talk at the moment like, whats new.This German sports writer knows his stuff wont be long now.This show only goes on till 10pm but if you miss it you can re listen of course
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Chelsea first then us and Ralf. not very long now
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Now Listen Now
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Get Tchoyi back NOW!!! ;D
Probably one of your predictions which won't come off :D
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Hmm well not exactly a definitive answer from the German correspondent. In summary it seems like:
- Wants a bigger club to win trophies
- Doesn't feel his style is suited to WBA (Slightly disagree but also can see what he means)
- But wouldn't rule a move to WBA out
- Goes on about Liverpool a lot
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So this German sports writers thinks we are not big enough for him.Says he still has Champions league ambitions
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If this guy is right, I hope he aint just playing us to put him in the shop window to get a bigger job like Liverpool :-X
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Iam pretty sure that it was Rangnick who wanted the Albion job and not us wanting Rangnick.
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The German correspondent on Talksport seems very unconvinced Rangnick would want the job here. He speculated his team may have leaked our offer into the media to attract other bids - from club's with higher profiles.
I have to say looking at his CV I would of thought he could easily get a better offer and I'm not sure what really attracts him to us - other than managing a Premiership club.
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I think if you take schalke out of his CV he fits us well to be honest, so maybe if he's looking to step into the PL we work for him in the same way we worked for Hodgson > England
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We have just had our bonfire p***** on well and truly by that German journo douche.
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I think if you read the general european media reaction about him, most seem to think he is too big for us and that is to tout his name about, but we dont know if they still view us as a plucky underdog or acknowledge we are now a top 10 Premiership club (officially!)
If it is to drum up better offers for him in this country then its either Villa or Liverpool Villa could be a better job than ours depending on Randys plans and Liverpool i just couldnt see offering it him.
Also it seems we havent actually offered him the job, if we had i would imagine JP and Ashworth would be very confident of getting him because i dont think they are the type who would put up with it being played out in the media only for him to reject us.
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At this stage in our development, I would have reservations about Guardiola. What has he done with a team of our size and ambition? Guardiola cannot be accuarately judged as he inherited arguably the best team of all-time. That's not to say he isn't as good as what he's made out to be. Like Guardiola, Rangnick is unproven here. I would prefer somebody who is fully proven. Rangnick could turn out to be a great appointment, but that is sometyhing we'll all have to hold our breath to see. Someone like Curbishley with a decade of success through the 2000's for me would pretty much guarantee consolidation next season.
You are joking aren't you? :o You realise Guardiola came through after managing the Barcelon reserve team? And you're rather have a manager who did alright with Charlton but hasn't been involved for the last god knows how many years.
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Which German correspondent was it? Raphael Honigstein?
If he is only using us we will need to establish it quick as our chase for a manager will go from being a quite, careful pursuit to a soap opera that we wont be coming out of with much credit.
If we can get Rangnick we will have done weel and if you look at our last 3 managers, their next step was a positive career move so we are a good place to use as a stepping stone. I think we need to act quickly now though. If Rangnick stalls for a week or more then you move on straight away and decide if your going to offer the 2 million for Hughton. Time to get our man though.
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We have just had our bonfire p***** on well and truly by that German journo douche.
You have just brightened up my evening with that post! Genius.
Couldn't have summed it up any better!
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Which German correspondent was it? Raphael Honigstein?
If he is only using us we will need to establish it quick as our chase for a manager will go from being a quite, careful pursuit to a soap opera that we wont be coming out of with much credit.
If we can get Rangnick we will have done weel and if you look at our last 3 managers, their next step was a positive career move so we are a good place to use as a stepping stone. I think we need to act quickly now though. If Rangnick stalls for a week or more then you move on straight away and decide if your going to offer the 2 million for Hughton. Time to get our man though.
Yes it was Raphael, great German name that
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Its all Liverpool talk at the moment like, whats new.This German sports writer knows his stuff wont be long now.This show only goes on till 10pm but if you miss it you can re listen of course
How do you re-listen jack?
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How do you re-listen jack?
via the listen again tab on Talksports main page
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Yes it was Raphael, great German name that
Shame, Honigstein is a good journalist. Not sure what he means by his style not being suited to us though. Short memories considering we had RDm and Mowbray before him, as well as a history dating back years of attacking managers like Ardiles, Atkinson and Buckingham.
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Has C L commented on Rangnik?getting a bit fed up with all these false dawns
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Shame, Honigstein is a good journalist. Not sure what he means by his style not being suited to us though. Short memories considering we had RDm and Mowbray before him, as well as a history dating back years of attacking managers like Ardiles, Atkinson and Buckingham.
Well done on 100 pages folks :D Lets hope we dont make a double century
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How do you pronounce this blokes name? Ra-nick? Or Rang-nick?
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Seem to be picking up some pace now with Ragnick, seems to have an impressive record though and good attacking football style.
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http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/kickoff/120529/honigstein-rangnick-would-want-bigger-club-west-brom-173235?
Audio link to the Honigstein interview
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I think we need to act quickly now though. If Rangnick stalls for a week or more then you move on straight away and decide if your going to offer the 2 million for Hughton.
I agree that we need to act quickly, but I think that means this week. No waiting around, it's time to be decisive.
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What does this Honnigstein actually know about us?
Naff all I reckon.
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Has C L commented on Rangnik?getting a bit fed up with all these false dawns
Well CL ruled him out about a week ago and I defended him and said CL knows more than you average fan so he must be right! ;D
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If the guy quit for exhaustion a year ago its not unreasonable he'd see us an ideal jump back into the game. With us the scrutiny is little and the pressure revolves around keeping us up. Going to a champions league standard club as that journo suggests he should and every game is scrutinised and there's a lot of pressure to do well.
Not to mention any manager surely looks at us and see's that it restored Hodgson from having no chance at all from the England job, to getting it in 15 months. RDM hasn't done too badly upon leaving us either.
It'd seem odd to let us leak out to the local press about going for him over Hughton if there was a significant chance he would just reject us anyway. Particularly given how quiet we've been over the whole thing.
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How do you pronounce this blokes name? Ra-nick? Or Rang-nick?
It's pronounced Ran-yick
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What does this Honnigstein actually know about us?
Naff all I reckon.
True, but I'm sure he knows about German football and Rangnick.
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Honigstein writes about German and English football for the Guardian, German papers, Sport Illustrated and others, as well as working on English, German and US TV. Usually quite level headed. I would like Rangnick now to come to us to rub it in the faces of people who think he should do better though.
What Honigstein seemed to be saying was that he felt he would not be suited as Rangnick sees himself as a coach winning trophy's - something we dont really do. To play the Wenger style of football he likes, Honigstein reckons he needs to be at a club with the players to do it which he is not sure we have (id personally argue against that as Swansea have managed to do it). He also fancies himself as an English style manager although he can work under a DOF.
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to be fair he was ruled out last week. But he came back, and i'm not saying that because I said CL knew more than us too :-[
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I would always question the motivation of a manager whose CV read's like Rangnick's turning up at the Hawthorns (stepping stone or soft option) but as long as he understands who we are and the limitations we have as a club (his English is perfect so nothing has been lost in translation) then I am happy to put my natural skepticism aside.
For extended thoughts on why we should not pay Blues £2m for Hughton see this http://tinyurl.com/btr7krt
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I would always question the motivation of a manager whose CV read's like Rangnick's turning up at the Hawthorns (stepping stone or soft option) but as long as he understands who we are and the limitations we have as a club (his English is perfect so nothing has been lost in translation) then I am happy to put my natural skepticism aside.
For extended thoughts on why we should not pay Blues £2m for Hughton see this http://tinyurl.com/btr7krt
VERY GOOD! 8)
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I'd be quite excited if Rangnick were to be appointed. He definitely has an affinity with this country as he studied over here and so will be fluent in English. That is so important, because however good he maybe as a coach, he has absolutely got to be able to get his message across, which not all foreign coaches do. He managed Schalke twice which is a notoriously difficult club to manage. Lots of boardroom wrangles etc. It is a massive club from the German Black Country (the Ruhr district)(and they play in blue and white :)). They get 60,000 crowds and he got them to the Champions League semi-final. He also got a very small club Hoffenheim, about the size of Cheltenham, into the Bundesliga. Players like Demba Ba and Sigurdsson played for them. As a german coach, you would expect him to have some of his countrymen's characteristics, of a methodical , thorough and hard-working approach, with lots of attention to detail. I would hope though he would have good english support staff who could provide the knowledge about opponents and transfer targets, as from Germany he probably won't know much about players outside the big clubs.
Although I wouldn't be unhappy with Hughton, who would probably be able to keep us in the Division. I think Rangnick could push us onto the next level. And he may help convince some of our bigger names to stay at the club.
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I would always question the motivation of a manager whose CV read's like Rangnick's turning up at the Hawthorns (stepping stone or soft option) but as long as he understands who we are and the limitations we have as a club (his English is perfect so nothing has been lost in translation) then I am happy to put my natural skepticism aside.
For extended thoughts on why we should not pay Blues £2m for Hughton see this http://tinyurl.com/btr7krt
Nice Blog. Consider it bookmarked. 8)
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I would always question the motivation of a manager whose CV read's like Rangnick's turning up at the Hawthorns (stepping stone or soft option) but as long as he understands who we are and the limitations we have as a club (his English is perfect so nothing has been lost in translation) then I am happy to put my natural skepticism aside.
For extended thoughts on why we should not pay Blues £2m for Hughton see this http://tinyurl.com/btr7krt
Really good blog, i love a good metaphor!
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Ive heard Rangnick has had a interview with us, dont know about you guys but if i wasnt interested in a job i wouldnt accept an interview let alone one in a different country so there must be some interest there from his part.
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I'd be quite excited if Rangnick were to be appointed. He definitely has an affinity with this country as he studied over here and so will be fluent in English. That is so important, because however good he maybe as a coach, he has absolutely got to be able to get his message across, which not all foreign coaches do. He managed Schalke twice which is a notoriously difficult club to manage. Lots of boardroom wrangles etc. It is a massive club from the German Black Country (the Ruhr district)(and they play in blue and white. They get 60,000 crowds and he got them to the Champions League semi-final. He also got a very small club Hoffenheim, about the size of Cheltenham, into the Bundesliga. Players like Demba Ba and Sigurdsson played for them. As a german coach, you would expect him to have some of his countrymen's characteristics, of a methodical , thorough and hard-working approach, with lots of attention to detail. I would hope though he would have good english support staff who could provide the knowledge about opponents and transfer targets, as from Germany he probably won't know much about players outside the big clubs.
Although I wouldn't be unhappy with Hughton, who would probably be able to keep us in the Division. I think Rangnick could push us onto the next level. And he may help convince some of our bigger names to stay at the club.
Let's not overstate that. Dietmar Hopp's money had far more to do with it.
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Just noticed on sky bet rangnick has gone to 10/11 and paddy power has him at 8/11 gone to the top of the betting list.
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Just noticed on sky bet rangnick has gone to 10/11 and paddy power has him at 8/11 gone to the top of the betting list.
Surely one thing that our managerial chase (and Liverpool and Villa's) has taught us is that the bookies odds mean nothing. Eventually they will get it right - around about the time we name our manager, but until then, all they are doing is reacting to the betting and the news that he is now being considered the front runner for the job. If the bookies had got it right Ranieri would have been named manager, then Hughton, then Appleton etc.
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Surely one thing that our managerial chase (and Liverpool and Villa's) has taught us is that the bookies odds mean nothing. Eventually the will get it right - around about the time we name our manager, but until ten ll they are doing is reacting to the betting and the news that he is now being considered the front runner for the job. If the bookies had got it right Ranieri would have been named manager, then Hughton, then Appleton etc.
yeah, means very little really, just fuels the speculation but its clearly nothing concrete.
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On he subject of bookies though, might be worth having a bet on Appleton while he is at 18-1. I still cant believe that he will be our next manager due to his inexperience and the fans dislike of the idea, but with Hughton's compensation appearing to be more than the club will pay and Ranieri going to Monaco, if Rangnick is only using our interest to get a tilt at the Liverpool/Chelsea/Top German club jobs, then who else is out there that the club would consider? Im starting to think that 18-1 at Paddy power might be worth a few pounds, even if there are oter managers id rather have.
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Sport Bild (like the sports section of the Sun) says that Albion have made him an offer to start immediately.
http://sportbild.bild.de/SPORT/fussball/international/2012/05/29/ralf-rangnick/west-bromwich-will-den-ex-schalke-trainer.html
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On he subject of bookies though, might be worth having a bet on Appleton while he is at 18-1. I still cant believe that he will be our next manager due to his inexperience and the fans dislike of the idea, but with Hughton's compensation appearing to be more than the club will pay and Ranieri going to Monaco, if Rangnick is only using our interest to get a tilt at the Liverpool/Chelsea/Top German club jobs, then who else is out there that the club would consider? Im starting to think that 18-1 at Paddy power might be worth a few pounds, even if there are oter managers id rather have.
Had a small bet on him at 14s a week ago. I agree who else will there be to turn to if Rangnick turns us down?
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I think I´m feeling the onset of Burn-out Syndrome. ???
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I have 2 legitimate concerns with this guy. We are at a period were we need stability at the football club after establishing ourselves in this league. No doubt this guy has a great pedigree and I think if appointed will be a great coach however he will view us as a stepping stone and if he has one good season then we will probably be in this same position next year. His health is also a concern as if he isn't up to the job and leaves us in mid January then we could find ourselves really in the deep end and all the hard work done over the past 2 years will be a waste.
I think maybe the more sensible option would be Hughton. Nothing flashy but I think he would keep us in the league and offer us some stability. If it is Ragnick i'l be over the moon but it will also be a very risky appointment. Fingers crossed that risk pays off
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I would always question the motivation of a manager whose CV read's like Rangnick's turning up at the Hawthorns (stepping stone or soft option) but as long as he understands who we are and the limitations we have as a club (his English is perfect so nothing has been lost in translation) then I am happy to put my natural skepticism aside.
For extended thoughts on why we should not pay Blues £2m for Hughton see this http://tinyurl.com/btr7krt
Great stuff.
Though at the end, put more bluntly "for those of you wondering why the Albion will not be paying £2m for Chris Hughton's services there is your answer; Jeremy Peace is no fool".
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I have 2 legitimate concerns with this guy. We are at a period were we need stability at the football club after establishing ourselves in this league. No doubt this guy has a great pedigree and I think if appointed will be a great coach however he will view us as a stepping stone and if he has one good season then we will probably be in this same position next year. His health is also a concern as if he isn't up to the job and leaves us in mid January then we could find ourselves really in the deep end and all the hard work done over the past 2 years will be a waste.
I think maybe the more sensible option would be Hughton. Nothing flashy but I think he would keep us in the league and offer us some stability. If it is Ragnick i'l be over the moon but it will also be a very risky appointment. Fingers crossed that risk pays off
If he uses us as a stepping stone then that's good enough for me because it means he has taken us higher. That will raise our profile even higher, allowing us to attract even higher profile managers & players. Surely that is better than someone with no ambition other than to keep us up?
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Sport Bild (like the sports section of the Sun) says that Albion have made him an offer to start immediately.
http://sportbild.bild.de/SPORT/fussball/international/2012/05/29/ralf-rangnick/west-bromwich-will-den-ex-schalke-trainer.html
;D This guy is the one...heard fantastic things about him...very thorough (like RH),excellent tactically,great man management skills and has a very good track record over 20 years,well respected in Germany.
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If he uses us as a stepping stone then that's good enough for me because it means he has taken us higher. That will raise our profile even higher, allowing us to attract even higher profile managers & players. Surely that is better than someone with no ambition other than to keep us up?
How much further can we go though there's only so far we'l get on the budget we have. I think the squad is almost at the maximum peak it can be. I'd be pleasantly shocked if this guy could do much better than Roy did.
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This is a link to a couple you tube videos i found of Rangnick training sessions last year with Schalke. Not to informative but thought I'd share nonetheless. Doing this on the phone hope it works!!
http://m.youtube.com/?reload=3&rdm=m1n4ps4tn#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D7RVk0GOmnb0%26feature%3Dtopics&feature=topics&v=7RVk0GOmnb0&gl=US (http://m.youtube.com/?reload=3&rdm=m1n4ps4tn#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D7RVk0GOmnb0%26feature%3Dtopics&feature=topics&v=7RVk0GOmnb0&gl=US)
The desktop version is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVk0GOmnb0
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http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1794394.html (http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1794394.html)
Interesting piece on the stress of managers. Featuring both Roy and Ralf. ;)
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ive got a funny feeling its going to be appleton, and hes just not ready yet.
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I would always question the motivation of a manager whose CV read's like Rangnick's turning up at the Hawthorns (stepping stone or soft option) but as long as he understands who we are and the limitations we have as a club (his English is perfect so nothing has been lost in translation) then I am happy to put my natural skepticism aside.
For extended thoughts on why we should not pay Blues £2m for Hughton see this http://tinyurl.com/btr7krt
Yes,every appointment is a risk,whether manager or player,but it's more risky to keep going cheap all the time.
Roy made his feelings known when he went on about can't keep living on bargains and Albions expectations are to avoid relegation every season.
Maybe the England call got him out of a sticky situation and we parted on good terms?Just a thought.
If we od get Rangnick as our next manager then both us and the dingles will have appointed unheard of foreign coaches with health problems.
No gamble there then.lol
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ive got a funny feeling its going to be appleton, and hes just not ready yet.
As much as i like the guy it would be a disaster.
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We don't actually know if the club has made an inquiry with Blues at this late stage resulting in the 2 million compensation claim but if true and if it is true that discussions have been ongoing with Rangnick then Rangnick might have reservations about accepting the position knowing that he may not be the clear cut candidate.
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i hope we get ralfy boy
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I'd be pretty excited if we got Rangnick. Apparently he plays some pretty attacking expansive football and has coached under a director of football and without one. As we know, he's done some impressive things with German sides too.
I see folks concern that he may not stick around, that we perhaps need more of a fixture here, but over the last 8 years we've had 4 different managers (during which time Wolves had one in Mick) and the one who spent the shortest spell here is possibly our most successful of Premiership times.
I'm not sure Roy was really ever going to stick around forever and we don't appoint managers on long term contracts anyway (or at least haven't been).
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I'm in the 'wait & see' camp, although I admit it is starting to hot up & get the juices flowing.
Thing is when looking for a new manager/coach you are very much governed by circumstances, when we got Roy there was no other clubs in the Prem after a manager, hence we got him without any competition, now there are other clubs with vacancies it muddies the water.
Also other things come into play especially when they get in the press/media, compensation amounts mentioned can often change peoples thoughts on a candidate.
I am confident that Jeremy Peace will do whats best for West Brom, get the right man in & we can continue our progress, if that's with a man that plays entertaining football all the better.
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If he uses us as a stepping stone then that's good enough for me because it means he has taken us higher. That will raise our profile even higher, allowing us to attract even higher profile managers & players. Surely that is better than someone with no ambition other than to keep us up?
Without major major investment that's all we will ever for players and managers both on the way up and on the way back down.
I'm happy with that
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According to a few sources this morning, this man is close to agreeing to become our next manager. Here is a profile of him.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralf_Rangnick#section_3
What do we think fellow baggies??
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According to a few sources this morning, this man is close to agreeing to become our next manager. Here is a profile of him.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralf_Rangnick#section_3
What do we think fellow baggies??
the same sources that had Hughton installed as manager about 2 weeks ago.
I'm waiting for the OS now cant be arsed with emotions
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Without major major investment that's all we will ever for players and managers both on the way up and on the way back down.
I'm happy with that
There will always be bigger clubs out there and yes most of our players and coaches will either be not really capable of making the step up or they harbour ambitions to progress. The only question is what do we get and for how long?
In Rangnick's case the answer would appear to be we get a top quality coach but for how long? If he is successful my fear is not very long although he might be wary of high profile roles given his recent illness.
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As a BIG Schalke fan, I am very excited by this! He ticks all the relevant boxes when it comes to "Head Coach". German football in general is built upon the Technical Director philosophy so to speak. However, they're generally referred to as "General Managers". Most GM's are ex players, and probably have some connection to the club - i.e. the Bayern dynasty that has been in existence for many years. Ralf is seen as one of the real up and coming younger coaches in German football, and most fans believe that he will one day go on to coach the national team. His 2 spells with Schalke were pretty good to be honest. He inherited a decent side that had been there or thereabouts for quite a few years from Juup Heynkes, but the loss of key players meant that they had to rebuild. His record with Hoffenheim is stuff of legend though! Granted, they had a bit of financial clout in comparison to some, but he took them from the thrid tier to being serious contenders for the Budesliga title in less than 4 years. He then ended up back at Schalke after Felix Magath was fired (he led Wolfsburg to the title the year before), and got them to the Champions League semi final. He helped rejuvinate Raul's career, and was building a decent side again at Schalke. Nobody really knows what the exact issue with the reason for his sudden resignation. Some say it was indeed nervous exhaustion, but others also say that he jumped ship as he could see what was coming with the subsequent loss of Rafinha and Manuel Neuer to Bayern. Anyway, I for one would embrace his appointment.
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I'm a bit confused as to why lots of fans want this rangnick. Before he was linked with the job, no one mentioned him. I've never heard of him so i cant really have an opinion, therefore it dosent make me feel excited. I would rather have someone like hughton/martinez who knows what the PL is about.
Whoever comes in, i will get behind, but this mention of a bloke i've never heard of leaves me feeling a little deflated.
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As a BIG Schalke fan, I am very excited by this! He ticks all the relevant boxes when it comes to "Head Coach". German football in general is built upon the Technical Director philosophy so to speak. However, they're generally referred to as "General Managers". Most GM's are ex players, and probably have some connection to the club - i.e. the Bayern dynasty that has been in existence for many years. Ralf is seen as one of the real up and coming younger coaches in German football, and most fans believe that he will one day go on to coach the national team. His 2 spells with Schalke were pretty good to be honest. He inherited a decent side that had been there or thereabouts for quite a few years from Juup Heynkes, but the loss of key players meant that they had to rebuild. His record with Hoffenheim is stuff of legend though! Granted, they had a bit of financial clout in comparison to some, but he took them from the thrid tier to being serious contenders for the Budesliga title in less than 4 years. He then ended up back at Schalke after Felix Magath was fired (he led Wolfsburg to the title the year before), and got them to the Champions League semi final. He helped rejuvinate Raul's career, and was building a decent side again at Schalke. Nobody really knows what the exact issue with the reason for his sudden resignation. Some say it was indeed nervous exhaustion, but others also say that he jumped ship as he could see what was coming with the subsequent loss of Rafinha and Manuel Neuer to Bayern. Anyway, I for one would embrace his appointment.
Sounds familiar for West Brom managers :)
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17GD, honestly I thought that he would both prefer to remain in the Bundasliga and even IF he wanted to come to the PL (which it turns out he does) then he would be aiming above us (ie Liverpool)
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I'm a bit confused as to why lots of fans want this rangnick. Before he was linked with the job, no one mentioned him. I've never heard of him so i cant really have an opinion, therefore it dosent make me feel excited. I would rather have someone like hughton/martinez who knows what the PL is about.
Whoever comes in, i will get behind, but this mention of a bloke i've never heard of leaves me feeling a little deflated.
I think your reading too much into this. Its just a natural reaction for most people to be optimistic about the new coach. After all we all want the Baggies to do well! Maybe your just a pessimistic cautious type of person. ;)
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I'm a bit confused as to why lots of fans want this rangnick. Before he was linked with the job, no one mentioned him. I've never heard of him so i cant really have an opinion, therefore it dosent make me feel excited. I would rather have someone like hughton/martinez who knows what the PL is about.
Whoever comes in, i will get behind, but this mention of a bloke i've never heard of leaves me feeling a little deflated.
I would say nobody mentioned him because they thought he was way out of our league. I still cannot see how we could attract someone of that calibre... However i thought the same with roy.
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it still seems too good to be true. i think we are going to be disappointed.
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So the rumour is we are baulking at paying out 2mil compo for Hughton,if correct i despair! 2 mil in the greater scheme of things in todays premier league market is absolute peanuts an asking price that should not even cause us to blink if we are to continue building and improving upon a third successive premier league season.
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So the rumour is we are baulking at paying out 2mil compo for Hughton,if correct i despair! 2 mil in the greater scheme of things in todays premier league market is absolute peanuts an asking price that should not even cause us to blink if we are to continue building and improving upon a third successive premier league season.
Its not just £2m though, you have to add the wages on top of that for the duration of his contract plus any further compensation on top for any coaching staff he may have wanted to bring with him. Then there is the point that they may genuinely see the more experienced Rangnick as a better option after interviewing him so it may not just be about money.
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Bookies have stopped taking bets on the next albion manager as of this Morning.is rangnick our man?
http://www.birminghampost.net/midlands-birmingham-sport/west-midlands-sports/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2012/05/30/bookmakers-suspend-betting-on-ralf-rangnick-for-wba-job-65233-31074894/
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Right am going to college and I will be back at 6 .If we don't get a manager when I get back I want JP out. Just joking ;D hopefully we will get more news today.
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Im awaiting something on the OS before i believe anything
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I actually think a highly organised personal character, intelligence and communication skills are nearly as high up JP,s spec sheet when he is looking for a new coach as ability on the training pitch. Its probably fair to say that this type of person is generally employed in the Bundersliga. Having spent a fair amount of time in Germany on business matters and having attended plenty of Bundersliga games you can see these sort of traits in the German people and German football. They tend to be very organised and methodical in everyday life. As with Roy I think this gives JP a comfort factor that he feels he can delegate and trust the man in charge since it appears that is the way he runs our club. If Rangnick does become our new coach for me its a very interesting appointment because there is no precedent in the PL for a German coach as far as I know. There is no doubt that a new breed of young manager/coach is emerging in the PL with a more technical approach. He might do well only time will tell. One thing that is crucially in his favour is tha fact he speaks good english...no time in the PL for lost in translation.......see Phillipe Scholari
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Here's an interesting profile of Ralphy when he was tipped for Liverpool
/http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/01/ralf-rangnick-next-liverpool-manager/ (http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/01/ralf-rangnick-next-liverpool-manager/)
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Tom Ross twitter
Peter Pannu says Blues have had no contact from any club whatsoever for Chris Hughton .. And if they did it would be refused
Maybe Rangnick is simply the prefered option.
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Tom Ross twitter
Peter Pannu says Blues have had no contact from any club whatsoever for Chris Hughton .. And if they did it would be refused
Maybe Rangnick is simply the prefered option.
Lets hope this is the case,Like many have said if the right man were to cost 2 million and we begrudged paying 2 million for possibly the right man then i would be bitterly disappointed
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Claudio Ranieri named new Monaco coach, Could we name our guy today ? seems possible.
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If Rangnick declines our offer, and Blues dont budge on CH where do we go from there?? Raneri is no longer an option, so it goes back to Wilkins and Appleton??
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Wilkins has pulled out of running according to press.
The way JP and DA work its probably no one thats been mentioned.
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I'd say we are so private in how we work the press have to resort to making allot of stuff up, hence the Blues statement.
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If Rangnick declines our offer, and Blues dont budge on CH where do we go from there?? Raneri is no longer an option, so it goes back to Wilkins and Appleton??
In that case I will dig out my old BRMB /Tony Butler prayer mat and pray it doesnt turn out to be Appleton/Wilkins. :o
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In that case I will dig out my old BRMB /Tony Butler prayer mat and pray it doesnt turn out to be Appleton/Wilkins. :o
Wasnt that the mat that won the european cup for the Vile
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Wasnt that the mat that won the european cup for the Vile
No, this is the one that was used on WBA's european adventure away at Braga, Valencia, Galatasaray, Red Star Belgrade. ;)
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No, this is the one that was used on WBA's european adventure away at Braga, Valencia, Galatasaray, Red Star Belgrade. ;)
Hail Atkinson of the Albion :D
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It would be great if we appoint someone in the next few days, just to put a stop to all the gossiping and tripe thats been printed.
Its important we get the right man, Raneri and Rangnick were two i very much wanted so i hope we can get Rangnick. Appleton although i like him alot isnt nowhere near ready to manage a PL team yet.
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Bookies have stopped taking bets on the next albion manager as of this Morning.is rangnick our man?
http://www.birminghampost.net/midlands-birmingham-sport/west-midlands-sports/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2012/05/30/bookmakers-suspend-betting-on-ralf-rangnick-for-wba-job-65233-31074894/
I wouldn't read too much into that most bookies suspend the betting on next manager markets overnight for fear of a sting. He's actuall opened up at evens on skybet this morning which suggests it's far from imminent.
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Hail Atkinson of the Albion :D
Hail the 3 A's, Hail Atkinson, Hail Addison, Hail Albion !
Those were the days eh Jack !
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Hail the 3 A's, Hail Atkinson, Hail Addison, Hail Albion !
Those were the days eh Jack !
Yes indeede. Hopefully we can start hailing Ralf soon
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Yes indeede. Hopefully we can start hailing Ralf soon
Wasnt there a kids cartoon called KING RALF ??
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Think this appointment would be great news for our young players and perhaps not so good for some of our older players. His background tends to suggest he likes developing young energetic teams. Couldnt see Scharner being kept on but you never know.
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Wasnt there a kids cartoon called KING RALF ??
Hail King Ralf :)
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This is potentially hugely exciting. They call him the German Wenger....
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Hopefully will do Mulumbu the world of good as he played Defensive Mid too.
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I really liked watching those Hoffenheim teams Rangnick coached. Very exciting football. Pete can be our Chinedu Obasi. :)
Wasnt there a kids cartoon called KING RALF ??
There was a stupid movie called King Ralph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Ralph). Ignorant, ill-mannered American goes to Britain, my favourite movie plot. ::)
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Well going on how JP and the club work, once we have made an 'official' approach to someone we can pretty much say that that person has practically signed.
However, we have heard nothing 'official' so my guess is that the press have not got a clue and are simply guessing.
I still think there is some mileage in this yet.
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Well going on how JP and the club work, once we have made an 'official' approach to someone we can pretty much say that that person has practically signed.
However, we have heard nothing 'official' so my guess is that the press have not got a clue and are simply guessing.
I still think there is some mileage in this yet.
I hope not, this is getting a tadd on the boring side now. Lets just sign someone and get it over with, maybe even JP could try his hand at management ha ha ha
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It's a bit worrying that Ralfs odds are starting to drift now with numerous bookies.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager (http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager)
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It's a bit worrying that Ralfs odds are starting to drift now with numerous bookies.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager (http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager)
Backs up my point that no-one has a clue what's going on.
I still think we will go after Hughton and this Ralf link is to test the waters and see how Hughton reacts via his representatives.
If Blues are going to play hard ball (like posted above) and Hughton is the man, I guess the club want to make dam sure that Hughton is interest enough before risking embaressment and also the Foster transfer.
As I say, this will roll on for a bit I feel.
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When all the attention was on CH I was pretty confident is wasn't him, now all the attention is on A.N. Other I think it may be CH
Does that make sense? >:(
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It's a bit worrying that Ralfs odds are starting to drift now with numerous bookies.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager (http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager)
Could just be that after that interview with the journalist last night that said he may hold out for a bigger club people stopped backing him so much?
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Really excited by the Ralf link, I hope it's true... give him whatever he wants Jeremy...!
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We certainly operate totally different to any other club, maybe that's the reason we are not media darlings. We don't make their job easy, but I personally think we do it the right way
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I like how Ralf's wiki page has him listed as manager of WBA from 2012...a keen fan or upcoming news?
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apparantly he was a guest of the clubs at the Arsenal game; http://news.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/football/premier-league/ex-schalke-chief-emerges-as-favourite-for-west-brom-post_106519.html
At least we played good, expansive, attacking football in that match! Hope somebody pointed out Fulops is 2nd choice keeper!
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It's a bit worrying that Ralfs odds are starting to drift now with numerous bookies.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager (http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager)
These markets really rely on volume of money being placed, They probably had a lot of money placed on CH, On betfair 46k has been traded on the whole market with over 35k on CH, If that type of volume is similar to bookies they are worried that if they drift CH out to far people will start placing more money which again will bring the odds back down, Probably before yesturday only small bets of £5 had been placed on any other runner in the market keeping there odds higher
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To be honest, I'd never heard of Rangnick before today, but having just looked him up, I like what I see. Very similar in stature to Hodgson, I'd say. In my experience, bookies don't suspend odds without having a decent inside track whisper at the very least, so I think he's heading our way.
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No odds suspended yet, CH was around the 1.10 mark at some points last week with near enough every bookmaker with £500 being traded at 1.03 at one point
Compared to that Rangnick odds are still a fair bit bigger, Money hasnt been big on him
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Random question and being somewhat a betting novice, what kind of pattern would we expect to happen if there were rumours that a agreement had been sorted between club and head coach?
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I would expect most of the big bookmakers to start to drop the odds very quickly down to 1/10 at least if talks start to go very well and we come out saying we are talking to him only, With some of them even closing the market, Betfair will stay open until their is an appointment with some money trading around the 1.01 mark for a little bit, but West Brom next manager is a TINY market on Betfair
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press conference 12 noon....
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It's a easy thing for odds to drift in and out, for example appelton is currently 14/1 if a 1000 people but a fiver each on his odds would shorten to odds on. I suppose you can read a little into it but don't hold your hopes just on the bookies, look at solksjaer and villa. He was 1/5 at one point.
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press conference 12 noon....
Where do you hear this from?
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Where do you hear this from?
Just about to ask the same thing. lol
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Just about to ask the same thing. lol
sounds like bulls@t nothing on o/s
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I would expect the club to remain to their word and appoint someone by the end of May.
Still think it could be anyone.
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No odds suspended yet, CH was around the 1.10 mark at some points last week with near enough every bookmaker with £500 being traded at 1.03 at one point
Compared to that Rangnick odds are still a fair bit bigger, Money hasnt been big on him
Paddy Power and Sporting Bet have suspended betting
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Paddy Power and Sporting Bet have suspended betting
is that a good fhing?
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http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2012/05/30/ralf-rangnick-leads-race-for-west-brom-hot-seat/
"Ralf Rangnick was today in pole position in the race to manage Albion following a fast-moving day of drama at The Hawthorns.
The 53-year-old German has emerged as the leading contender to replace Roy Hodgson after a whirlwind 24 hours that saw Claudio Ranieri seal his move to Monaco and the Baggies make fresh contact with Rangnick.
Albion’s interest in former front-runner Chris Hughton is understood to have cooled following informal talks with Birmingham, although the former Newcastle boss is still thought to be in the frame.
Reports from Germany late last night that Rangnick was considering a “concrete offer” from the Baggies were premature.
However, detailed talks have now taken place with the former Stuttgart, Hannover, Schalke and Hoffenheim coach, who was first revealed as a candidate by the Express & Star a week ago.
It emerged today that Rangnick watched The Baggies’ final match of the season at home to Arsenal as a guest of the club and he appears to be the front-runner with his price slashed by major bookmakers, who now make him odds-on favourite.
Rangnick has a solid CV in his homeland but has been out of work since ending his second spell at Schalke last September, citing exhaustion.
The Baggies have still not made a formal approach to Blues for permission to speak to Hughton, but they have sounded out the 53-year-old’s representatives in recent weeks and are thought to have taken soundings from St Andrew’s.
And, although Hughton remains highly-rated at The Hawthorns, the prospect of a lengthy stand-off with Blues over compensation appears to have created misgivings in the boardroom, where Rangnick’s name was already being discussed.
Hughton’s one-year rolling contract on wages of less than £1m-per-year would not present a major compensation problem for Albion.
But with Blues almost certain to reject a formal approach he could be left needing to resign to force through a move.
Ranieri, who was interviewed twice by Albion, is expected to be confirmed as Monaco’s new boss."
I'm surprised no one saw him if there's any truth in this.
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I'm surprised no one saw him if there's any truth in this.
Realistically who would have recognized him though?
I really want us to finalize this ASAP.
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is that a good fhing?
It means they're pretty convinced and that they dont think they'll be taking any money off people wanting to back other candidates imo
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cheers mate
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Seems a bit of a hot-head:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,598721,00.html (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,598721,00.html)
In an interview with SPIEGEL, Hoffenheim head coach Ralf Rangnick, 50, discusses the meteoric rise of his football team from a small-town club into a giant killer in Germany's Bundesliga, the perils of success and his occasional temper tantrums.
SPIEGEL: Mr. Rangnick, your team, TSG 1899 Hoffenheim, is the first newcomer to the Bundesliga -- the highest tier of league football in Germany -- to ever win the fall championship in its first year. Even the Times of London has celebrated this football miracle. Has it surprised you, too?
Ralf Rangnick: It's inconceivable, really. We are doing our best to understand it, and we certainly have our theories, but part of it is still a fairy tale. It's good that we now have the chance to pause for a moment, so that we don't lose perspective.
SPIEGEL: Can your team win the German championship in May?
Rangnick: In theory, yes; but no one is expecting us to. Nor is anyone saying that we have to do everything we can to capture the title.
SPIEGEL: Would doing so mean that you were releasing an evil genie from the bottle?
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Rangnick: No, but we would create unnecessary pressure and lose much of our laid-back approach in the process. What the team has achieved so far is so amazing that no one would be disappointed if we ended up in fifth place at the end of the season. VfB Stuttgart won the championship in 2007 because the team refused to think about it until the very end. They were only under real pressure once -- in the final match.
SPIEGEL: Did your team work itself into a frenzy of sorts over the course of the first half of the season? Did the young players learn quickly, or are they simply that good?
Rangnick: A bit of everything. We haven't had to worry about being relegated to a lower tier at any point in the season. With a young team, this flow can tip in the opposite direction if the team loses three times in a row. At this level, though, it still has to learn how to deal with defeats.
SPIEGEL: Such as after its 1-2 loss to FC Bayern Munich?
Rangnick: That was a bitter defeat; it was brutal. But I told my boys: "You played a fantastic game in this Champions League environment." Apart from Carlos Eduardo, none of them had ever played in front of 70,000 fans and experienced such a commotion in the days leading up to the match.
SPIEGEL: Why did you seem so agitated after that outstanding match?
Rangnick: I'm not a good loser. When I was a child, I once threw a toy fire truck at my great grandfather after he beat me at a board game. Even today, it's not a good idea to approach me if we've lost a match because we made a few mistakes.
SPIEGEL: After the final whistle in Munich, it looked as though you were blaming your defender Andreas Ibertsberger for having messed up before Bayern Munich's second goal.
Rangnick: No. Looking for scapegoats isn't our thing. Actually, I was more upset after the 4-5 loss to Werder Bremen.
SPIEGEL: Why? Your team came back from being three down and played so brilliantly that even the Bremen fans cheered them on.
Rangnick: That was precisely why I was so furious -- because the guys were spellbound by it. I stormed into the locker room after the final whistle, but nobody else came in for 10 minutes. Then, the first guy came in with Diego's jersey, the second one with Naldo's and the third with Pizarro's. I yelled: "So, do you all have your trophies now?" Then I hurled three plastic bottles through the locker room and gave the players a stiff talking-to. In Munich, there was no reason to do that.
SPIEGEL: In the Allianz Arena, home to Bayern Munich, were you amazed yourself when you saw what your team could do?
Rangnick: Well, as a coach, I certainly can't remember witnessing a match that was so intense and fast-paced. At some point, I looked at my watch and thought to myself: "What? Just 10 minutes left? How can that be?" Everything went by so quickly that we even made a mistake on the bench.
SPIEGEL: What was that?
Rangnick: We were hoping to make another substitution at the beginning of stoppage time. But we didn't get the player to the sideline in time. So, we couldn't put him in the game when the score was 1-1, and it was our own goal kick. After that, the match wasn't interrupted again until the opposing team's second goal. The substitution would probably have prevented the Bavarians from making that decisive play.
SPIEGEL: In other words, it's still a learning process for you, as well?
Rangnick: Of course. We are a learning system, and that applies to everyone.
SPIEGEL: Is this team getting close to what you would consider the ideal team?
Rangnick: In many respects, yes. Not just in the way they play, but also in how they treat each other. But what does "ideal" mean in football, anyway? Football is never the present; it is always the future. We may be at the top of the league now, but by the time training starts in early January, the question on everyone's mind will be: What next?
SPIEGEL: How fragile is the success of the past few months?
Rangnick: The greatest risk is that we allow ourselves to get carried away by the euphoria. Besides, we cannot pretend like we don't get jealous or greedy. These are human traits, and that's why we have to be careful not to upset our salary structure by suddenly making quantum leaps.
SPIEGEL: But you just signed Timo Hildebrand, who has played goalkeeper for Germany's national team.
Rangnick: In one of our first conversations, he told us that he desperately wanted to be part of our team. Our response was: "Let's see if you still feel that way when we start talking numbers." If Timo had insisted on anything even close to the sums he was paid in Valencia or to what he was offered by two other clubs, we certainly would not have signed him.
SPIEGEL: Bayern Munich's general manager, Uli Hoeness, recently speculated openly that Hoffenheim patron Dietmar Hopp is probably reaching deeper into his pockets to pay his players than he wants the world to believe.
Rangnick: I can imagine why he's saying that.
SPIEGEL: Why?
Rangnick: When we agreed to extend Sejad Salihovic's contract in October, the Bavarians quickly made him a considerably better offer. Then Salihovic mulled over the offer, which is completely normal. But the impressive part was that, two days later, Salihovic called us back and said that he wanted to stand by his word and sign right away under the terms to which we had agreed before the Bavarians made their offer. So, it isn't surprising that this would prompt Hoeness to conclude that we really upped our offer. But we didn't.
SPIEGEL: Do you expect us to believe that?
Rangnick: We asked Salihovic: "How often do you think you'll really be playing for Bayern if you're competing for a spot against people with names like Ribéry, Schweinsteiger or Altintop?" The guy is only 24, and he'll never reach the peak of his abilities anywhere else as quickly as he will with us. He can still sign that extremely lucrative contract in a couple of years.
SPIEGEL: But top international clubs would presumably put players like Carlos Eduardo or Chinedu Obasi on the pitch right away.
Rangnick: Even those guys know that their development has a lot to do with what makes Hoffenheim unique: the calm, the composure and the way we work with them. This is exactly why they came to us. We made it clear to them that we could make them better and that, as a result, they would end up in the spotlight.
SPIEGEL: You already know that you're not going to be able to hang onto these players forever, don't you?
Rangnick: It's clear to us that, if we want to keep them, we're going to have to pay them a lot more money now. But that doesn't mean we're doubling their salaries. Many people say that money isn't a problem at Hoffenheim. But that isn't the real issue. The real issue is that it's inspiring for a player like Carlos Eduardo to realize that he is becoming more complete as a football player.
Article is from 2008, mind.
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Sky Sports reporting Birmingham have not received any approach for their manager
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Sky Sports reporting Birmingham have not received any approach for their manager
Would we admit to making a formal approach? If you do that and then get put off by the price it would cost you would show that he was potentially your first choice and could put others off taking the job if they feel like they were second choice at best.
What even constitutes a formal approach? We may have had a discussion with Blues to ask how much it would cost us should we want their manager and then not bothered to ask permission to speak to him so may not seem like a formal approach to them.
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press conference 12 noon....
The press conference to formally introduce a new manager or player is usually done two or three days after the announcement.
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The press conference to formally introduce a new manager or player is usually done two or three days after the announcement.
Perhaps were going for the WOW factor :o
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Paddy Power and Sporting Bet have suspended betting
Sporting Bet dont count as a bookie ;D worse bookmaker around
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Perhaps were going for the WOW factor :o
We are cutting it fine if we are, also not a single journalist on the twitter has been invited by the looks of things. Some good press conference without the press! Unless the new bloke is being introduced to the tea lady and club shop staff? ??? ;D
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press conference 12 noon....
Where's that one come from?
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Tactical look at what Ralf's Schalke did poorly in that Champions League semi final against Man utd, if anyones interested.
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/04/26/schalke-0-2-manchester-united-tactic/
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Any developments?
I just listened to a German on talksport who said Rangnick would see us as a managerial 'step down' yet he said he still may come to us...?!
I want this saga dealt with soon either way!
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Any developments?
I just listened to a German on talksport who said Rangnick would see us as a managerial 'step down' yet he said he still may come to us...?!
I want this saga dealt with soon either way!
Was that last nights interview or has there just been another?
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The 12 o'clock press conference must have been delayed as no news yet ::)
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Just been told it will be rangnick taking over.
Source never normally wrong, but somehow I'm still sceptical about the whole thing.
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So according to Brum we have not made any approach for Hughton, interesting because they would have no reason to lie, I am sure they would loved to have said they rebuffed us if anything.
Maybe we found out about the 2 million compensation via unofficial channels and not bothered.
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We 100% approached Blues with interest into Hughton. Whether it was 'official' or not is a different (and quite irrelevant) question.
As someone mentioned on Twitter earlier today, I wouldn't be suprised if they've said something along the lines of 'steer clear of Hughton and Foster is yours'.
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Looking around the other WBA forums there is an awful lot of negativity towards the potential appointment. It seems this is the only forum where people are positive.
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We 100% approached Blues with interest into Hughton. Whether it was 'official' or not is a different (and quite irrelevant) question.
As someone mentioned on Twitter earlier today, I wouldn't be suprised if they've said something along the lines of 'steer clear of Hughton and Foster is yours'.
hope your right regaurding foster mate
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We 100% approached Blues with interest into Hughton. Whether it was 'official' or not is a different (and quite irrelevant) question.
As someone mentioned on Twitter earlier today, I wouldn't be suprised if they've said something along the lines of 'steer clear of Hughton and Foster is yours'.
Good suggestion. I wouldn't want to get into blows over Hughton and risk losing foster deal. Although the new boss might have his own options for GK other than foster.
Saying that, foster is the best keeper we can attract IMO. So keep blues sweet and get foster.
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Looking around the other WBA forums there is an awful lot of negativity towards the potential appointment. It seems this is the only forum where people are positive.
It also seems this is the only sensible forum as the others aren't as well run or have the same calibre of members as we do on here. Always said this forum is far superior than any other forum, whether that be WBA or any teams forum!
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We 100% approached Blues with interest into Hughton. Whether it was 'official' or not is a different (and quite irrelevant) question.
As someone mentioned on Twitter earlier today, I wouldn't be suprised if they've said something along the lines of 'steer clear of Hughton and Foster is yours'.
Doubt it, why would they say Foster is yours? that would be totally stupid. What if QPR bid 3m+ more for him than we did? There is no way they would have said that ever, they will wait and see for offers for him before making any decisions like that.
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We 100% approached Blues with interest into Hughton. Whether it was 'official' or not is a different (and quite irrelevant) question.
As someone mentioned on Twitter earlier today, I wouldn't be suprised if they've said something along the lines of 'steer clear of Hughton and Foster is yours'.
An informal approach has almost certainly been made however the "no formal approach" line suits all parties. The £2m compensation demand did not get into the public domain by accident so some conversations took place between the clubs.
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Perhaps were going for the WOW factor :o
Perhaps the numpty who posted that without revealing his source was expecting us to hold it at the Molyneux also ;)
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It also seems this is the only sensible forum as the others aren't as well run or have the same calibre of members as we do on here. Always said this forum is far superior than any other forum, whether that be WBA or any teams forum!
Agree 100% mate! Some of the tripe posted on others is unbelievable.
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This board is the best by a million miles but if it fails the Zone cough cough is always a useful backup.
How many boards are there anyway?
I hope whoever comes in as manager does so before the Euros, he can do some talent spotting whilst watching the games
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http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1794394.html (http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1794394.html)
Interesting piece on the stress of managers. Featuring both Roy and Ralf. ;)
Almost as if Roy was talking himself out of the England job in the interview with him at the end of that clip :D
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No manager guarantees consolidation, new managers are always a bit of a gamble, Curbishley would definitely be a gamble these days.
I disagree. It's not like Curbishley has been out of the game long enough for things to change. 3 years since he managed and the league is now arguably easier to compete in. Of course every new manager would be a risk of sorts but for me, Curbishley/Big Sam/Hodgson and other managers with similar experience would be less of a risk than the likes of AVB (who has failed already), Martinez (who is massively overrated in my humble opinion), Guardiola etc.
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The ball is very much in Ralf's court at the moment, I can't see him turning it down. His agent contacted us about the vacancy, and he's flown over here for two meetings with Ashworth and Peace. You don't do that if you're not seriously interested in the vacancy.
The fact he was at the Arsenal game also adds fuel to the fire, could be coincidence but it does make sense for him to come and check us out as he knew Roy would be leaving.
I've been told he has 100% been offered the job, I have no reason to believe this is false. It's just down to Ragnick now.
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Sooooooooo where's this press conference then???
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Sooooooooo where's this press conference then???
It was only for the tea lady ;D ;)
For those intrested she has signed a 12 month rolling contract.
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I think its safe to say there isn't any press conference and you were being wound up. If there was a press conference, us and the media would have been informed. We haven't so there isn't one.
Hopefully this is the end of any posts on this press conferece! :D
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It was only for the tea lady ;D ;)
For those intrested she has signed a 12 month rolling contract.
Oh, thank God! We looked to be nailed on certs for relaegation, but tea lady signing is good news for our chances.
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Hopefully this is the end of any posts on this press conferece! :D
Spoil Sport ;) :-*
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They are having a debate on Talksport has to why Ranieri would choose Monaco over us :D
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It was only for the tea lady ;D ;)
For those intrested she has signed a 12 month rolling contract.
performance related pay ?
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Did Monaco get promoted back to the top French league?
As for the debate of why he would choose them over us its probably more to do with our club choosing someone else instead of him.
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They are having a debate on Talksport has to why Ranieri would choose Monaco over us :D
Monaco vs Smethwick penthouses? ;D
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They are having a debate on Talksport has to why Ranieri would choose Monaco over us :D
Monanco v West Bromwich apart from the tax free earnings the stunning location and the warm weather it is close really close. ;D
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Did Monaco get promoted back to the top French league?
As for the debate of why he would choose them over us its probably more to do with our club choosing someone else instead of him.
No mid table ligue2, sorry looks like a coach interested in one last big pay day somewhere nice to live rather than footballing challenge. I will of course retract this if Monaco go on a storming run and are in the Champions League in three years time ;D
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has peace got a cunning plan so cunning that it leaves all cunning plans in the shade, [enough of black adder] is our chairman waiting to see whom liverpool, chelski and vile get as their new managers or coaches and then go after the contenders they interveiwed whom at the start would not of contemplated little old albion as an option, but with their noses so out of joint would jump at the chance to sign for us to prove those clubs wrong. cunning :)
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Monaco are owned by a group led by a Russian billionaire. I'm sure that is a factor. However there is no implication that he did indeed choose them over us.
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looks like swansea will be after a new manager soon, you watch them go straight in and get Hughton.
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looks like swansea will be after a new manager soon, you watch them go straight in and get Hughton.
if we get Ralf then i dont care.....
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looks like swansea will be after a new manager soon, you watch them go straight in and get Hughton.
Why would they choose Hughton? I would expect them to find a manager which has similar principles to Brendan Rogers and continue the footballing game they play. Someone like Gus Poyet would be far more suited to the Swansea role rather than Hughton.
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Why would they choose Hughton? I would expect them to find a manager which has similar principles to Brendan Rogers and continue the footballing game they play. Someone like Gus Poyet would be far more suited to the Swansea role rather than Hughton.
already been mentioned by a few of their fans as a replacement,
but my main point is that while we keep stalling for whatever reason it will be just our luck to be left scratching our heads when all our candidates have gone elsewhere !
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Tom Ross on Facebook:
"Ralf Rangnick is definitley on West Brom's radar.. as are others"
The mystery continues again.
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Tom Ross on Facebook:
"Ralf Rangnick is definitley on West Brom's radar.. as are others"
The mystery continues again.
Tom Ross : The font of all knowlegde. 99% of this board could have posted that!
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looks like swansea will be after a new manager soon, you watch them go straight in and get Hughton.
If Ralf is the boards unanimous choice then I couldn't care less if Swansea go straight in and get Hughton.
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Tom Ross on Facebook:
"Ralf Rangnick is definitley on West Brom's radar.. as are others"
The mystery continues again.
Tom Ross is useless for any info ive seen him post stuff that comes of the OS like its him breaking the news.
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I wouldn't pay any attention to that German journalist saying we're too little for Ragnick. Foreign fans and journalists always think their top stars are far too magnificent for anyone in England besides the top 4. Just think back to last year when all the Nigerian journalists and fans were absolutely disgusted that Odemwingie was at such a pathetic minute club and did their best to get him to Arsenal.
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/30/baggies-view-how-ralf-rangnick-became-the-favourite-for-the-baggies-job-97319-31077885/ (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/30/baggies-view-how-ralf-rangnick-became-the-favourite-for-the-baggies-job-97319-31077885/)
Baggies View: How Ralf Rangnick became the favourite for the Baggies job
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/30/baggies-view-how-ralf-rangnick-became-the-favourite-for-the-baggies-job-97319-31077885/ (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/05/30/baggies-view-how-ralf-rangnick-became-the-favourite-for-the-baggies-job-97319-31077885/)
Baggies View: How Ralf Rangnick became the favourite for the Baggies job
Thanks, Gascoigne's voice is giving anyone else a right headache last few days? ;D
West Brom say no approach, Birmingham say no approach. Lots of 'assume' and 'think' words used, comes across as all speculation to me.
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Well it wont be old CR now as he has gone to monaco. Who we will get i have not got a clue it changes every day for all i know it could be anyone from redknapp to wenger or ayone in the middle truth is nobody knows it will be a little annoying though if it turns out to be average joe now after all these weeks though
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If Ralf is the boards unanimous choice then I couldn't care less if Swansea go straight in and get Hughton.
I would prefer Ralf but if he turns us down we need a back up, so i would quite care to that extent.
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Rangnick from Schalke to West Brom is the talk of the day on Twitter...
http://www.footytwits.com/en/inglaterra/west-bromwich_152
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Anyone still think we will end up with someone else other than Ralf and Hughton.
With the Liverpool job sorted does anyone else think we may have a cheeky go for Martinez?
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Martinez won't come here,he won't work with a sporting director.
No worry though,plenty of cheap unemployed managers out there.
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Anyone still think we will end up with someone else other than Ralf and Hughton.
With the Liverpool job sorted does anyone else think we may have a cheeky go for Martinez?
No, it would be a sideways step for Martinez and Dave Whelan has always said he'd be okay with him leaving for a much bigger club, which unfortunately we are not. Not a chance i'm afraid.
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Anyone still think we will end up with someone else other than Ralf and Hughton.
With the Liverpool job sorted does anyone else think we may have a cheeky go for Martinez?
he'll probably end up at the vile, we can't compete with them, they won the european cup you know ;D
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No, it would be a sideways step for Martinez and Dave Whelan has always said he'd be okay with him leaving for a much bigger club, which unfortunately we are not. Not a chance i'm afraid.
We are a much bigger club than Wigan, only difference is they have Whelan bankrolling them.
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Rodgers confirmed as LFC boss so Swansea are sniffing for a manager now....Get Ralf in!
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I feel it should heat up in the next 24 hours, at least the Liverpool job is gone now for Ralf. I fear it could be Appleton if Ralf says no. Off to work till 9ish, hope to come home to news of a new manager for Albion....
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Apparently there are whispers going around that another surprise candidate has come into the frame so rangnick is dropping off slowly. Well known respected source from this site.
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Apparently there are whispers going around that another surprise candidate has come into the frame so rangnick is dropping off slowly. Well known respected source from this site.
I'm going slightly mad ??? :o ??? for the sake of my sanity JP please sign somebody ASP.
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Apparently there are whispers going around that another surprise candidate has come into the frame so rangnick is dropping off slowly. Well known respected source from this site.
OldburyWBA next brom manager? :D
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Apparently there are whispers going around that another surprise candidate has come into the frame so rangnick is dropping off slowly. Well known respected source from this site.
Interesting that these rumours have started since it became apparent that Rodgers is off to Liverpool. With Martinez being top of the list at the very start of this process, could we be going back in for him? I dare say Roberto will not be too pleased that Whelan went public about his interest in the Liverpool job. Then again he could end up at Swansea ???
One that we apparently spoke to and is still available but hasn't been mentioned for a while is AVB...
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Like I say, they are only whispers, could be a load of tosh. But it has come from the "said" source.
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Now the Liverpool jobs done and dusted does that leave the way clear for AVB to be appointed ahead of Ralf??
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Somethings not ringing true,if it wasn't the £2m asking price that put JP off Hughton why not move for him sooner?
If Hughton WAS the number1 choice and the perfect fit would £2m be an outrageous price to pay for another clubs manager?
If Rangnick's interview was that good the board dropped the Hughton route, then why haven't we snapped up Rangnick instead of looking again at other managerial candidates?
Dithering,we are always dithering.
Rangnick to Swansea,Martinez to Villa,????? to us.
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is it just me or does anyone else find this all this highly entertaining ;D
Rangnick seems exciting, so did ranieri, can see it being someone completely different and that no one expected.
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If Rangnick's interview was that good the board dropped the Hughton route, then why haven't we snapped up Rangnick instead of looking again at other managerial candidates?
Shall we tie Rangnick to a chair and hold him at gun point until he agrees to sign?
We've made him an offer, not our fault if he's taking his time. Can't blame him either it's a big decision for him to try his luck over here.
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We're end up with Bruce at this rate, we're doing out business very proffesionally but it's frustating because the club are not leaking any info. Got that feeling that we may go for Martinez
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Read something just that it's AVB. but can't do anything til June 1st due to last payment from Chelsea.
Not expecting that to be true. Can still see it being rangnick.
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Now the Liverpool jobs done and dusted does that leave the way clear for AVB to be appointed ahead of Ralf??
He's the only candidate who's odds have dropped across the board today. Could never see it though.
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Read something just that it's AVB. but can't do anything til June 1st due to last payment from Chelsea.
Not expecting that to be true. Can still see it being rangnick.
Only 2 days away though, we've waited this long.
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Now the Liverpool jobs done and dusted does that leave the way clear for AVB to be appointed ahead of Ralf??
you possibly might be right there.
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Martinez apparently had misgiving's about working under a director of football at Liverpool, and would cost considerably more than Hughton in compensation, and is on a huge wage (more than Hodgson was with us).
There is absolutely no chance of getting him.
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It seems to me that people are worrying now that scince the Swansea job became vacant that they might poach our targets. Reality check needed, Swansea are very small club, there welsh and have a small fanbase. We are much bigger than them, they were in league 2 8 years ago. God knows I forgot how Many up and downs we have had scince then. Let's just relax, calm down and wait for the news from the club. I feel jp has it covered he ain't stupid ( apart from the Robson appointment). It could be worse we could have a unkown manager who has never seen or heard of his team before and be in the championship with a new stand that you can't fill!
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I know you cant give your source away DudleyBaggie but was it AVB or somebody of that ilk who your contact said? Would it be a pleasant surprise if its the other person or a Bobby Gould returning surprise?!
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It seems to me that people are worrying now that scince the Swansea job became vacant that they might poach our targets. Reality check needed, Swansea are very small club, there welsh and have a small fanbase. We are much bigger than them, they were in league 2 8 years ago. God knows I forgot how Many up and downs we have had scince then. Let's just relax, calm down and wait for the news from the club. I feel jp has it covered he ain't stupid ( apart from the Robson appointment). It could be worse we could have a unkown manager who has never seen or heard of his team before and be in the championship with a new stand that you can't fill!
Two things attract managers,money and ambition.
Not countries or fan base.
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I know you cant give your source away DudleyBaggie but was it AVB or somebody of that ilk who your contact said? Would it be a pleasant surprise if its the other person or a Bobby Gould returning surprise?!
It was AVB
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Two things attract managers,money and ambition.
Not countries or fan base.
I didn't mention attraction for managers, I was just stating fact.
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Shall we tie Rangnick to a chair and hold him at gun point until he agrees to sign?
We've made him an offer, not our fault if he's taking his time. Can't blame him either it's a big decision for him to try his luck over here.
If we do can can we re enact Reservoir Dogs with JP as Mr White, DA as Mr Blue 8)
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I know you cant give your source away DudleyBaggie but was it AVB or somebody of that ilk who your contact said? Would it be a pleasant surprise if its the other person or a Bobby Gould returning surprise?!
All I was told is there's another name in the frame again. Could be bull but could be true. And AVB still definately in thoughts of JP.
That's all I know at the moment but il try and find more out.
I'm just relaying info I'm getting from him.
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All I was told is there's another name in the frame again. Could be bull but could be true. And AVB still definately in thoughts of JP.
That's all I know at the mo but il try and find more out.
I'm just relaying info I'm getting from him.
Oh please Dudley not Steve Bull he failed at Stafford Rangers......................... :D
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Oh please Dudley not Steve Bull he failed at Stafford Rangers......................... :D
No definately not Steve "tatter" Bull. :)
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We can't afford Hughton so we are going for AVB? :D
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Only 2 days away though, we've waited this long.
It makes you wonder.
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What would Swansea have over us if we were in for the same man, ok they have the mumbles
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We can't afford Hughton so we are going for AVB? :D
No compensation with AVB. Wages would be higher but that could be sorted by the fact we would have to pay no compo. Can't see him coming here though!
Got a sneaky feeling it will be Martinez. Just a hunch.
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What would Swansea have over us if we were in for the same man, ok they have the mumbles
Chequebook and ambition.
Players don't go to Liverpool for the scenery.
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I think Gus Poyet is almost made for Swansea. I expect him to go there.
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We was supposed to hear something today regarding the situation, but still nothing yet.
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No compensation with AVB. Wages would be higher but that could be sorted by the fact we would have to pay no compo. Can't see him coming here though!
Got a sneaky feeling it will be Martinez. Just a hunch.
Definitely won't be Martinez - he won't work with a Director of Football. He's made that very clear. If he doesn't go to Villa then I can't see him leaving Wigan this year.
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We was supposed to hear something today regarding the situation, but still nothing yet.
From who? Ralf?
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No compensation with AVB. Wages would be higher but that could be sorted by the fact we would have to pay no compo. Can't see him coming here though!
Got a sneaky feeling it will be Martinez. Just a hunch.
Martinez will not work with a director of football, he wants total control according to Dave Whealen
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We was supposed to hear something today regarding the situation, but still nothing yet.
I guess someone in the running for the Liverpool job fell off the wagon and told us they would consider us, if that is true then we look likely to have at least two strong candidates (not counting CH as he doesn't seem to be a first choice).
Patience, young and old Padawans. In time, clear all will be! *Yoda mode*
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From who? Ralf?
not sure. Things have gone quiet now.
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From who? Ralf?
The club is aiming for the end of the month, which is tomorrow. I think he's angsty because we've heard nothing in terms of approaches
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Martinez out of running by looks of it.
@SkySportsMobile: Roberto Martinez has pledged his future to Wigan folllowing talks with chairman Dave Whelan #WAFC #Latics
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The guy who's in for Chris Lepkowski this week in the birmingham mail said he expects further news on Rangnick within the next 24 hours on that Baggies View a few hours ago. Going quiet doesn't appear to be indicative of anything based on that. The clubs been quiet all along up to yesterday. It'd be odd if they started broadcasting their negotiations with him to the media.
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I'm off out. I'm hoping for some news for when I get back!
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The position does not seemed to have changed from yesterday. By all accounts Rangnick is our preferred candidate. We have had discussions with him and it has emerged that he attended the our last game against Arsenal so he has been on our radar for quite a while. Exactly what stage our discussions have reached is unclear but it is plain things are progressing.
I do not think it realistic to expect a candidate to emerge from left field at this stage unless of course we cannot get Rangnick. It is equally plain that whatever interest we had in Hughton has been set to one side at least for the time being there may or may not have been informal contact between the clubs but for whatever reason it looks like he is not under active consideration.
I would expect further developments in the next 24 hours but this is a complicated contract negotiation which I guess has lawyers in 2 countries working on it so things will not progress as quickly as we might like.
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I highly doubt it's avb i have a mate who is in the loop at Liverpool and he said they inquired about avb but were put off by his demands. If he's to expensive for Liverpool it can be guaranteed he's to expensive for us. Unless someone's slipped acid in JP's tea id be stunned he'd pay what avb is demanding
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Ralf Rangnick has been offered the Albion job and has a week to think about it as Dan Ashworth is off
on holiday tomorrow.Its 100% garanteed that another club will beat us to his signature as Albion continue
to prat about. I think we`ll end up with Michael Laudrup .
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I highly doubt it's avb i have a mate who is in the loop at Liverpool and he said they inquired about avb but were put off by his demands. If he's to expensive for Liverpool it can be guaranteed he's to expensive for us. Unless someone's slipped acid in JP's tea id be stunned he'd pay what avb is demanding
Why would AVB demand a load of cash? Surely he's set up for life now from his Chelsea pay off.
This job could be perfect for him, offer him a twelve month rolling contract and promise him we won't stand in his way if his stock rises whilst with us.
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Hopefully, with Liverpool set to announce Rodgers as manager and Villa saying they should have a manager by Monday or Tuesday, I dont think we will have much excuse not to get our situation sorted in the next few days. We have had a long time to sort it now and over the last week things have sped up. Having waited this long, it is time that we make the big decision now, be that getting Rangnick to commit or paying the compensation for Hughton.
Whatever the decision, I think we have done enough "due diligence" now and we need to finalise our offer to whoever we want. If we wait much longer, we will be creeping into our preparation time for next season and having had a month to decide what to do, much more time waiting can only be seen as the club struggling to get their targets in- something we were told was not going to happen with our planning.
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Yes I agree, we do risk missing out on potential transfer targets and generally getting ready for next season if we wait much longer.
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Why would AVB demand a load of cash? Surely he's set up for life now from his Chelsea pay off.
This job could be perfect for him, offer him a twelve month rolling contract and promise him we won't stand in his way if his stock rises whilst with us.
Once your used to that lifestyle then i suppose you're always looking for that big pay day. The guys only young as well so might be wanting to make as much as possible in a 10-15 year career and then sail of into the sunset.
I too think it would be a wonderful appointment for him as it's a ambitious club looking to take another step. My mate doesn't get much wrong regarding Liverpool so if they were put off then i'd be stunned if he accepted a deal here, still this is JP were talking about he'l probably manage to get him on a £3 contract with a 15 million hands off clause.
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Martinez will not work with a director of football, he wants total control according to Dave Whealen
According to Dave Whelan Liverpool had offered Martinez the job, which has turned out to be rubbish. I think it was on SSN or something.
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Ralf Rangnick has been offered the Albion job and has a week to think about it as Dan Ashworth is off
on holiday tomorrow.Its 100% garanteed that another club will beat us to his signature as Albion continue
to prat about. I think we`ll end up with Michael Laudrup .
That is so untrue its amazing.
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That is so untrue its amazing.
Are you saying we havent offered ragnick the job ?.
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It makes you wonder.
Did the club not always say they were looking to appoint a new manager by the end of the month . Well May 31st is pretty close to June 1st for me especially if it's 11.59pm!!!!!!
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Are you saying we havent offered ragnick the job ?.
I was talking about him not taking the job because Ashworth has gone off on holiday.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18270504 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18270504)
"West Brom in talks with Ragnick"
Doesn't say much but the fact that BBC have acknowledged it surely means progress is being made?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18270504 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18270504)
"West Brom in talks with Ragnick"
Doesn't say much but the fact that BBC have acknowledged it surely means progress is being made?
BBC Sport have been 24 hours behind everybody else all year. I nearly fell of my chair today when they reported the Rodgers news at the same time as everybody else.
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It seems to me that people are worrying now that scince the Swansea job became vacant that they might poach our targets. Reality check needed, Swansea are very small club, there welsh and have a small fanbase. We are much bigger than them, they were in league 2 8 years ago. God knows I forgot how Many up and downs we have had scince then. Let's just relax, calm down and wait for the news from the club. I feel jp has it covered he ain't stupid ( apart from the Robson appointment). It could be worse we could have a unkown manager who has never seen or heard of his team before and be in the championship with a new stand that you can't fill!
What does Swansea being Welsh have to do with anything? Swansea might be a small club, but they finished level on points with us last season. We're not exactly the biggest fish around either and our fan base isn't exactly massive, I'm sure Swansea has everybody outside of Cardiff in Wales supporting them. If money is available to spend, they're just as likely proposition for any manager. Especially if they were to match our budget. Their statement of intent was there to see when they agreed a £6.8million fee for Gylifi Siggurdson.
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130 pages before new managers in!!!
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I am pretty confident we will have a new manager by the end of the week,According to reports in Germany the job is Rangnick's if he wants it. Perhaps he is thinking about the job offer today and then will decide on Thursday but i could be wrong. But if Rangnick rejects the job then were back to square one :-X
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Have we appointed anybody yet ??? ?
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That list at the top of each page doesn't even have Rangnick on it, can we not get it changed ? :'( :'(
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press conference 12 noon....
you forgot to say which day ::)
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I am pretty confident we will have a new manager by the end of the week,According to reports in Germany the job is Rangnick's if he wants it. Perhaps he is thinking about the job offer today and then will decide on Thursday but i could be wrong. But if Rangnick rejects the job then were back to square one :-X
For some reason Thursday is always an important day for Albion announcements - probably because it is the regular Press Day.
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Ralf rangnick odds have gone from 5/4 all day to 1/2 on with skybet. I know it's not concrete proof but thought I would put it out there.
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Ralf rangnick odds have gone from 5/4 all day to 1/2 on with skybet. I know it's not concrete proof but thought I would put it out there.
What on earth does odds have anything to do with anything. Punters know jackall, look at how much money they have wasted on candidates that will never get the job, some managers with low odds haven't even been approached by us.
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Ralf rangnick odds have gone from 5/4 all day to 1/2 on with skybet. I know it's not concrete proof but thought I would put it out there.
Hi, first ever post but I have been looking at what is said here for a while.
My general impression is that people are placing too much emphasis on what the bookies odds are. Only one bookie was quoting on Ralf two days ago and I would wager that a number of them quoting now have not taken any money on him at all.
Even the best place to look for guidance, ie betfair, is desperately short on guidance as the liquidity there is not enormous however not long ago Ralf was quoted at 2.92 on betfair and that took the book sub 100%. That means that if the people listed are the only possibilities you could back everything for a guaranteed profit. It leads me to believe that quite possibly thee is another candidate yet to come out of the woodwork. Either that or somebody was guessing badly when putting up their lay bets.
I think either Ralf will say yes or it will be somebody that is not yet recognised as a candidate as if it was CH he would have been approached by now.
Just a view.
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That list at the top of each page doesn't even have Rangnick on it, can we not get it changed ? :'( :'(
There's no point. This poll was done weeks ago, well before Rangnick was mentioned. It's probably also the reason Claudio Ranieri only has 17 votes. Adding Rangnick to the poll would be pointless as the majority of the board have already voted.
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No need to worry about a few typos Alex it is an interesting post and I have a sneaky suspicion that there may be another candidate too, welcome to the forum.
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No need to worry about a few typos Alex it was an interesting post and I have a sneaky suspicion that there may be another candidate too, welcome to the forum.
A few whispers on twitter now about a mystery man.
Please not Bruce, please not Bruce!
Oh and welcome to the mad house Alex!
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Hi, first ever post but I have been looking at what is said here for a while.
My general impression is that people are placing too much emphasis on what the bookies odds are. Only one bookie was quoting on Ralf two days ago and I would wager that a number of them quoting now have not taken any money on him at all.
Even the best place to look for guidance, ie betfair, is desperately short on guidance as the liquidity there is not enormous however not long ago Ralf was quoted at 2.92 on betfair and that took the book sub 100%. That means that if the people listed are the only possibilities you could back everything for a guaranteed profit. It leads me to believe that quite possibly thee is another candidate yet to come out of the woodwork. Either that or somebody was guessing badly when putting up their lay bets.
I think either Ralp will say yes or it will be somebody that is not yet recognised as a candidate as if it was CH he would have been approached by now.
Just a view.
Welcome to the boards Alex. Never trust a bookie! Some of the best advice you can give to anybody. But I agree I think Rangnick has been offered the job. If he says no then Ive a sneaky suspicion that JP might have a pop at Martinez if he is available.
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Hi, first ever post but I have been looking at what is said here for a while.
My general impression is that people are placing too much emphasis on what the bookies odds are. Only one bookie was quoting on Ralf two days ago and I would wager that a number of them quoting now have not taken any money on him at all.
Even the best place to look for guidance, ie betfair, is desperately short on guidance as the liquidity there is not enormous however not long ago Ralf was quoted at 2.92 on betfair and that took the book sub 100%. That means that if the people listed are the only possibilities you could back everything for a guaranteed profit. It leads me to believe that quite possibly thee is another candidate yet to come out of the woodwork. Either that or somebody was guessing badly when putting up their lay bets.
I think either Ralf will say yes or it will be somebody that is not yet recognised as a candidate as if it was CH he would have been approached by now.
Just a view.
Very good post actually. As you say, fans do tend to place too much emphasis on the odds of bookies. Welcome to the forum!
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What on earth does odds have anything to do with anything. Punters know jackall, look at how much money they have wasted on candidates that will never get the job, some managers with low odds haven't even been approached by us.
Like I said I know it's not proof I'm just putting it out there!
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Why would he have a pop at Martinez? His compo would be moe than many others and we all know how much he likes shelling out!!
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Why would he have a pop at Martinez? His compo would be moe than many others and we all know how much he likes shelling out!!
Sensible he may be HTB but when he thinks its right he is not afraid to spend particularly if he thinks he is getting value for money. Its well known he really really rates Martinez so maybe compensation would be worth it to him in this case?
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I would have thought Martinez is highly unlikely. I gain the impression that if he pushed he could have had the Liverpool job or the Villa job, this year or last. I just think he is within his comfort zone under Uncle Whelan's wing and is reluctant to leave that.
Thanks for the welcome guys.
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I could have sworn on Sky Sports earlier (ever reliable, I know) that Martinez had committed his future to Wigan according to Whelan?
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I could have sworn on Sky Sports earlier (ever reliable, I know) that Martinez had committed his future to Wigan according to Whelan?
That's right, he has. I don't think Martinez was a possibility to be honest.
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I could have sworn on Sky Sports earlier (ever reliable, I know) that Martinez had committed his future to Wigan according to Whelan?
SSN have to be taken with a pinch of salt but it was reported earlier today that Whelan said that he was staying.
How quickly things change, one Russian paper is reporting tonight that Locomotiv Moscow are sounding out candidates for their new coach. That would free up Bilic! Wishful thinking most likely.
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I still have an inkling about Hughton.
As much as RR is a risky, exciting prospect, I can't help feeling that CH and WBA would fit like a hand in to a glove.
I think CH would offer greater continuity to the RH project from the last 18 months.
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In fairness Whelan says a lot of things, the vast majority of it is rubbish.
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I could have sworn on Sky Sports earlier (ever reliable, I know) that Martinez had committed his future to Wigan according to Whelan?
Since when has the vote of confidence or commitment meant anything in football............... ::)?
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I sincerely hope the outcome isn't that we faffed around for 4 or 5 weeks and then end up with Appleton.....
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Still got this feeling Hughton will walk out on Blues
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Not looking good on ralf front apparently according to other itk posters on other boards.....
At least if we end up with Appleton at least I will win a bit of money. :'(
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If we get Appleton after 100 and so pages i think this board will go into meltdown lol.
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I sincerely hope the outcome isn't that we faffed around for 4 or 5 weeks and then end up with Appleton.....
Got a feeling it will be you know. Getting to the point now where it's all getting very boring and tedious.
Would sooner have someone like Lee Clarke over Appleton.
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I still have an inkling about Hughton.
As much as RR is a risky, exciting prospect, I can't help feeling that CH and WBA would fit like a hand in to a glove.
I think CH would offer greater continuity to the RH project from the last 18 months.
Sorry I think the time for Hughton has passed if we were going down that route we would have to make him our number one choice and we haven't. If Blues think they can hold out for £2m compensation it is because they know that Hughton will not rock the boat and resign thereby reducing the compensation due to one year's wages which will be no more than £1m.
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Got a feeling it will be you know. Getting to the point now where it's all getting very boring and tedious.
Would sooner have someone like Lee Clarke over Appleton.
Come on Redhead Its just warming up! Appleton rumours for a week or so should keep things ticking over... ;)
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I'll be really gutted now if it is not Rangnick. My ideal would be Rangnick Head Coach with Foster secured from Blues. If it were not to be Rangnick, I'd be prepared to miss out on Hughton if it meant the Blues board playing awkward over Foster. But I certainly don't want it to be AVB.
Come on Ralf (and if you're reading this), "komm nach das Traditionsverein der Black Country, - WBA - uns Zukunft, Dein Zukunft!"
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Got a feeling it will be you know. Getting to the point now where it's all getting very boring and tedious.
Would sooner have someone like Lee Clarke over Appleton.
Imagine if this was your job! :o
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What was it someone said on one of these 110 pages,
Peace will wait untill everyone renews then apoint appelton.
Now I'll support the new manger but you do get the odd fans who will say if I would have known I wouldn't have renewed etc.
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If we get Appleton after 100 and so pages i think this board will go into meltdown lol.
Probably close to 20,000 Baggie fans heads will implode...
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Come on Redhead Its just warming up! Appleton rumours for a week or so should keep things ticking over... ;)
Good god hope not! :)
In all seriousness though, Swansea and Norwich may soon be in the market for new managers so it's imperative that something happens soon now.
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Im absolutely sure its going to be Rangnick!!......well pretty sure...fairly likely....maybe...possibly...hopefully...could be....rumoured to be...might not be...pretty sure its not going to be.......no chance of it being him.
Did I just talk myself out of it?.........
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I think Appleton will be a good manager one day , but i would like to see how he rebuilds pompey in he summer on very limited resources. I think if he can get Pompey out of League 1 next season then in the future he could get a better job than Pompey. He needs to prove himself. One day he will be WBA manager but i cant see it being soon
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I think Herr Rangnick or Mr. X will be announced tomorrow, or on June the 1st.
And no, Mr. X is not Appy or CH. :P
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I think Appleton will be a good manager one day , but i would like to see how he rebuilds pompey in he summer on very limited resources. I think if he can get Pompey out of League 1 next season then in the future he could get a better job than Pompey. He needs to prove himself. One day he will be WBA manager but i cant see it being soon
Might be once we've waded through the other 47 applicants :o
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I think Rangnick will say no to us, so we'll turn back to Hughton, but this time be told 3 million and say forget it. We'll then move towards Appleton but due to personal reasons he'll reject the offer. We'll finally end up with the 'Mystery Man', Terry Connor.
I can't take this anymore. :(
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If Rangnick does go cold on us I still wouldnt rule out another approach for Hughton. We have shied away because of his compensation according to local media reports but that might change if we were to get into a potentially embarrassing situation we might decide we should pay the fee. I think the Foster situation might be causing problems for us with that move though.
I do admit I am getting to the stage now where I think we may have made a few mistakes with our search for a new manager. For a start we MAY have been a bit naive and allowed ourselves to be used as an advertising tool for a few big name managers and I think after the farce at Wolves and the way the Villa and Liverpool chases have gone with high profile problems, our boasts of doing things right might come back to haunt us if we do end up going for somebody like Appleton or even a new name from the championship who would have been some way down our first choice list.
It's now a month since Hodgson took the England job. We are running the risk of not coming out of this looking our usual composed selves.
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I think Herr Rangnick or Mr. X will be announced tomorrow, or on June the 1st.
And no, Mr. X is not Appy or CH. :P
Is he called Mr X because he always carries one of those wipe boards wherever he goes? I know who your talking about
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If Rangnick does go cold on us I still wouldnt rule out another approach for Hughton. We have shied away because of his compensation according to local media reports but that might change if we were to get into a potentially embarrassing situation we might decide we should pay the fee. I think the Foster situation might be causing problems for us with that move though.
I do admit I am getting to the stage now where I think we may have made a few mistakes with our search for a new manager. For a start we MAY have been a bit naive and allowed ourselves to be used as an advertising tool for a few big name managers and I think after the farce at Wolves and the way the Villa and Liverpool chases have gone with high profile problems, our boasts of doing things right might come back to haunt us if we do end up going for somebody like Appleton or even a new name from the championship who would have been some way down our first choice list.
It's now a month since Hodgson took the England job. We are running the risk of not coming out of this looking our usual composed selves.
I think the process we have been going through has been pretty much inevitable once we decided to go for the best manager possible (ie internationally known manager). We could have signed an Appy or Hughton weeks ago if we really had gone hard for them, but it is obvious we have been busy elsewhere.
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I think Rangnick will say no to us, so we'll turn back to Hughton, but this time be told 3 million and say forget it. We'll then move towards Appleton but due to personal reasons he'll reject the offer. We'll finally end up with the 'Mystery Man', Terry Connor.
I can't take this anymore. :(
I would look at Christoph Daum
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Is he called Mr X because he always carries one of those wipe boards wherever he goes? I know who your talking about
Sorry, Wipe Board doesn't qualify :)
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10th in the PL last season. We should be going for the best man possible. We are an attractive proposition, sound finances, transfer kitty, good squad, on the up.
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10th in the PL last season. We should be going for the best man possible. We are an attractive proposition, sound finances, transfer kitty, good squad, on the up.
Agreed. I like the fact that we have pushed as hard as we can to land a top coach, rather than fish in League One or Scotland or something.
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I'll be really gutted now if it is not Rangnick. My ideal would be Rangnick Head Coach with Foster secured from Blues. If it were not to be Rangnick, I'd be prepared to miss out on Hughton if it meant the Blues board playing awkward over Foster. But I certainly don't want it to be AVB.
Come on Ralf (and if you're reading this), "komm nach das Traditionsverein der Black Country, - WBA - uns Zukunft, Dein Zukunft!"
The board is for opinions and I dont like to attack peoples opinions but I do sometimes scratch my head at the level of analysis people manage with their thoughts.
Why please not AVB?
Yes he had a bad spell at Chelsea. He is a young manager making a mistake. What do you think about Brian Clough as a manager?
He was a great success at Derby, left and then went to Leeds, where his spell was almost identical to that of AVB's. He then went away, licked his wounds, and won the league title and 2 European cups with an unfancied Forest side.
AVB this time last year was the most talked about young manager in the World. He had just won the double, sorry Treble, sorry, QUADRUPLE! Has any manager ever done that before?
There is little point talking about him, because if he was available he would have been the man Ashworth and Peace would have gone for straight away, and we havent, but I cant believe there would be any negativity towards him if we were to get the lucky as to get him.
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We would be a great club for AVB. We'd offer him a stable platform to work for and to hone his skills, and cure him of his biggest weakness atm, personal inexperience. He needs to grow a bit older, see a bit of life, get to know human psychology and himself, before he is ready for a top club. Chelsea was simply too soon for him.
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I am noted for my extraordinary composure and also for my less notorious, but sill widely praised patience; but both of these idiosyncratic and celebrated attributes are begging to diminish. Please,please,please, for the love of God and all that is good on earth appoint someone decent Albion. I feel at this rate we will be begging Alan Irvine to take over.
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10th in the PL last season. We should be going for the best man possible. We are an attractive proposition, sound finances, transfer kitty, good squad, on the up.
I think there are 2 sides to this argument though.
On the positive, we are a club run very well, have a good track record in recent years of being a great stepping stone and if you can keep us mid table or maybe even 8th, it is seen as a big achievement (despite it being a very achievable aim). Ive heard it said that it is better to manage WBA and take the plaudits for getting them to 10th, than to take over at a club like Villa who's fans and the media expect more than mid table, despite the huge challenge of getting into the elite clubs club. Being a success at Wba is a lot easier than being a success at other clubs at the moment due to our structure developed over the last decade.
A reality though that many fans cant accept, is that where we are now is probably a ceiling for us. We finished 10th this season and 11th last season. Above us, only Fulham and Everton were not part of that mega money group of teams with huge fan bases. Everton have been there for years due to Moyes and the wages they pay and Fulham, with their London money and Al Fayed's cash, are also in a different financial league to us. We are, if you want, at a glass ceiling.
It's not impossible to keep us there and maybe we could win a cup in the next few years if we get VERY lucky or maybe even scrape a European place once, but for managers who want to win things, we arent the right place to go, and top managers want to win things. You can talk about famous and well run clubs and all that but the sad reality is that apart from targeting an against the odds league cup win (like we should), we are not in a position to fulfil the dreams of top level managers like Ralf Rangnick. It's the reason im so surprised we seem to have got this close to him and why Honigstein was saying he doubts it will happen last night.
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I think people are panicking alot more than they should be here. Lets not forget Ragnick was only linked with being again approached by Albion yesterday tea time. He hasn't as the German papers been saying offered the job, and even if he was, there still would be a lot of things to resolve, not helped by the fact he resides in a different country. Along with forward planning and personal terms it may be a while before he's appointed. If things do go wrong I'm sure the board will have a plan b or plan c.
Also, whats the rush? If appointed tomorrow whoever was in charge would not have much to do apart from possibly look at transfer targets. Pre-season is far off and the Euro's haven't even started. I'm sure if somebody wasn't to even arrive until the day before pre-season, Ashworth and the rest of the backroom staff would have everything under control and ready to handover to the new man.
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We may have been busy elsewhere, but the whole situation is frustrating, given that Dan Ashworth spends his working days monitoring and assessing the suitability and availability of both players and backroom staff for this club.
With Roy Hodgson gone for nearly a month now, surely we would have done our due diligence and interviews with free agents such as Keane :o, Ranieri, Wilkins, Herr Ralf ;), by now?
Then, for whatever reasons, if necessary, we can move on to our other targets with the inevitable contractual and compensation issues that other clubs seem to be able to negotiate.
Having said that, I am sure that the Board of Directors will again make the right decision, and I will give 100% backing to whoever becomes our new Head Coach, but after ONE month and over 110 pages, PLEASE can we have a new Head Coach?
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The board is for opinions and I dont like to attack peoples opinions but I do sometimes scratch my head at the level of analysis people manage with their thoughts.
Why please not AVB?
Yes he had a bad spell at Chelsea. He is a young manager making a mistake. What do you think about Brian Clough as a manager?
He was a great success at Derby, left and then went to Leeds, where his spell was almost identical to that of AVB's. He then went away, licked his wounds, and won the league title and 2 European cups with an unfancied Forest side.
AVB this time last year was the most talked about young manager in the World. He had just won the double, sorry Treble, sorry, QUADRUPLE! Has any manager ever done that before?
There is little point talking about him, because if he was available he would have been the man Ashworth and Peace would have gone for straight away, and we havent, but I cant believe there would be any negativity towards him if we were to get the lucky as to get him.
Agree totally with that although he did himself no favours with all that silly crouching and posturing in the technical area like he was trying to work out how to put a space rocket together. Made himself at least "look" a bit naive. Cant think that the experienced players at chelsea were too keen on that stuff. If youve got something to say get out there and give them both barrels lad! And some of his post match analysis were bizarre to say the least. Must be a decent coach though.
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I am noted for my extraordinary composure and also for my less notorious, but sill widely praised patience; but both of these idiosyncratic and celebrated attributes are begging to diminish. Please,please,please, for the love of God and all that is good on earth appoint someone decent Albion. I feel at this rate we will be begging Alan Irvine to take over.
You echo my sentiments! I always try to stay composed and think "it'll be ok" but inside im starting t get a bit panicky with the "what ifs". What if; Rangnick turns us down, Hughtons a no go, Martinez commits to Wigan, Lambert to Villa, Villa poach someone we're in for, AVB gets appointed abroad, what if - Appleton ends up here.....
As somebody else said, my head will implode and i'd worry big time, opens up a new can of worms (Olsson, Odemwingie, Foster etc!)
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Think because this has been dragging on most of us just want Rangnick to sign just for the sake of it 8)
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The board is for opinions and I dont like to attack peoples opinions but I do sometimes scratch my head at the level of analysis people manage with their thoughts.
Why please not AVB?
Yes he had a bad spell at Chelsea. He is a young manager making a mistake. What do you think about Brian Clough as a manager?
He was a great success at Derby, left and then went to Leeds, where his spell was almost identical to that of AVB's. He then went away, licked his wounds, and won the league title and 2 European cups with an unfancied Forest side.
AVB this time last year was the most talked about young manager in the World. He had just won the double, sorry Treble, sorry, QUADRUPLE! Has any manager ever done that before?
There is little point talking about him, because if he was available he would have been the man Ashworth and Peace would have gone for straight away, and we havent, but I cant believe there would be any negativity towards him if we were to get the lucky as to get him.
Baggies
Re AVB. I thought he came across really poorly when interviewed. Spoke too quickly, full of cliches and didn't sound natural to me. I admit what's more important though is how he came across to the players. But we know he didn't convince a good many of the established Chelsea players. He may have been able to convince in his native Portuguese language, seeing what he won at Porto. It's not what you know, you've got to get your points across to some seasoned profs.
Ok Rangnicks native language isn't English, but by all accounts he's pretty good in it. Also, at 53, he's going to have more authority than a 34 year old.
Please do not use the '@' as this is clased as text speak
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Think because this has been dragging on most of us just want Rangnick to sign just for the sake of it 8)
No i think its because of his calibre!
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I completely agree with Baggies thoughts! would agree with every word, as football is at the moment we are pretty much at our level, that doesnt mean we cant be ambitious but its the reality.
Any manager who came here would probably join and not greatly enhance their reputation but may prove that they can cut it in the Premiership which is why it may be a stepping stone for Ralf and even AVB to show they can manage in the premiership and move to bigger jobs when available.
As much as i like David Moyes and think he does a good job, the fact also remains he has never won a trophy as Everton manager but is constantly linked with other jobs for doing a steady job, i think thats how managers may view us, steady job until something better comes along.
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What does Swansea being Welsh have to do with anything? Swansea might be a small club, but they finished level on points with us last season. We're not exactly the biggest fish around either and our fan base isn't exactly massive, I'm sure Swansea has everybody outside of Cardiff in Wales supporting them. If money is available to spend, they're just as likely proposition for any manager. Especially if they were to match our budget. Their statement of intent was there to see when they agreed a £6.8million fee for Gylifi Siggurdson.
Agree Liam, but who did Gylifi sign for, Swansea City or Brendan Rodgers?
If I were him, I would be feeling a little short changed (from a footballing point of view) right now!
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Re AVB. I thought he came across really poorly when interviewed. Spoke too quickly, full of cliches and didn't sound natural to me. I admit what's more important though is how he came across to the players. But we know he didn't convince a good many of the established Chelsea players. He may have been able to convince in his native Portuguese language, seeing what he won at Porto. It's not what you know, you've got to get your points across to some seasoned profs.
Ok Rangnicks native language isn't English, but by all accounts he's pretty good in it. Also, at 53, he's going to have more authority than a 34 year old.
AVB's English was perfect though. He is a quarter English and has grew up speaking it in a posh neighbourhood in Porto.
Brian Clough fell out with the entire Leeds squad because he came in and couldnt get on with a new group of players. It didnt make him a bad manager.
AVB failed at Cheslea probably because he is too young to manage a club with so many senior pros but he will almost certainly go on to have a good career in management. I think that is a big problem in English football. Failure is seen as a death knell to a career. In other countries they dont see things that way.
If we think we are too big for Villas Boas we are kidding ourselves. Villas Boas would be the perfect appointment and unlike Chelsea, our players dont have the same ego's or difficult club legend personalities that so often cause headaches to new managers. Hodgson struggled at Liverpool but did well at WBA because he was dealing with a different level or player.
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AVB's English was perfect though. He is a quarter English and has grew up speaking it in a posh neighbourhood in Porto.
Brian Clough fell out with the entire Leeds squad because he came in and couldnt get on with a new group of players. It didnt make him a bad manager.
AVB failed at Cheslea probably because he is too young to manage a club with so many senior pros but he will almost certainly go on to have a good career in management. I think that is a big problem in English football. Failure is seen as a death knell to a career. In other countries they dont see things that way.
If we think we are too big for Villas Boas we are kidding ourselves. Villas Boas would be the perfect appointment and unlike Chelsea, our players dont have the same ego's or difficult club legend personalities that so often cause headaches to new managers. Hodgson struggled at Liverpool but did well at WBA because he was dealing with a different level or player.
Doesnt bode well for England then?
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Doesnt bode well for England then?
Different subject maybe but im not so sure. If anything England are a side with a level of players not as good as other nations around the world and nations that lack talent but still win things usually have good organisation. Hodgson will bring that and I think the players might respond because there is an acceptance in the England camp, as voiced by Jagielka yesterday, that they are not the best bunch of players representing a nation in these Euros.
My main wory would be about qualifying for the world cup in 2014 because England expect to beat smaller nations like usual but Hodgson may end up with too many draws.
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As much as I'd love AVB to be appointed WBA manager, and never doubt his ability, seriously? Do people actually think we could ever attract the bloke? Whilst I believe Ragnick would be well suited for us as he's a manager who has cut his trade at clubs of similar size to us in terms of league performance AVB is on a completely different level. He's an aristocrat a loof, the kind of guy who I'd expect to look at us with pity and snobbery. That a side, I doubt we could ever afford his wage demands or give him the money he'd want to spend. AVB will end up at a top European club (like Roma/ Milan/ Bayern) to re-build his reputation, not WBA.
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As I said a couple of weeks ago, yes I think we could attract AVB and I gave the reasons then. I read an article recently where AVBs people had spoken to Anderlecht and despite them not being able to afford him the figures were not out of reach.
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Agree Liam, but who did Gylifi sign for, Swansea City or Brendan Rodgers?
If I were him, I would be feeling a little short changed (from a footballing point of view) right now!
Managers convince players to sign for football clubs. He obviously has a good working relationship with Brendan Rodgers but the points remains he's about to become a Swansea City player - in a team where he knows he was a great success last season. Would Siggurdson have the same effect at Liverpool? I don't think so personally.
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As much as I'd love AVB to be appointed WBA manager, and never doubt his ability, seriously? Do people actually think we could ever attract the bloke? Whilst I believe Ragnick would be well suited for us as he's a manager who has cut his trade at clubs of similar size to us in terms of league performance AVB is on a completely different level. He's an aristocrat a loof, the kind of guy who I'd expect to look at us with snobbery. That a side, I doubt we could ever afford his wage demands or give him the money he'd want to spend. AVB will end up at a top European club (like Roma/ Milan/ Bayern) to re-build his reputation, not WBA.
I agree that I think AVB is a sign of getting a bit carried away with things but he isnt that different to Rangnick. Rangnick has a more grounded back ground but he hasnt managed a genuine underdog for over a decade now (Hoffenheim were spending huge money in the lower leagues in Germany - it is why he went there - clever career move). AVB's first managerial job was Academica De Coimbra only 2 years ago. They are both about as big as each other in the managerial heavyweight stakes.
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I think there are 2 sides to this argument though.
On the positive, we are a club run very well, have a good track record in recent years of being a great stepping stone and if you can keep us mid table or maybe even 8th, it is seen as a big achievement (despite it being a very achievable aim). Ive heard it said that it is better to manage WBA and take the plaudits for getting them to 10th, than to take over at a club like Villa who's fans and the media expect more than mid table, despite the huge challenge of getting into the elite clubs club. Being a success at Wba is a lot easier than being a success at other clubs at the moment due to our structure developed over the last decade.
A reality though that many fans cant accept, is that where we are now is probably a ceiling for us. We finished 10th this season and 11th last season. Above us, only Fulham and Everton were not part of that mega money group of teams with huge fan bases. Everton have been there for years due to Moyes and the wages they pay and Fulham, with their London money and Al Fayed's cash, are also in a different financial league to us. We are, if you want, at a glass ceiling.
It's not impossible to keep us there and maybe we could win a cup in the next few years if we get VERY lucky or maybe even scrape a European place once, but for managers who want to win things, we arent the right place to go, and top managers want to win things. You can talk about famous and well run clubs and all that but the sad reality is that apart from targeting an against the odds league cup win (like we should), we are not in a position to fulfil the dreams of top level managers like Ralf Rangnick. It's the reason im so surprised we seem to have got this close to him and why Honigstein was saying he doubts it will happen last night.
I could not have said that any better myself. I think a few fans are getting a little ahead of themselves due to the last 2 seasons. While both finishes were excellent we were still in the bottom half of the table for most of the season and at some points looked like we could have been dragged into the relegation fight (just before the custard bowl massacre we were saying it was a huge game for us as if we had lost we would have been dragged into the dogfight).
We are still operating on a very small budget which people like Ragnick and AVB haven't been used to before. Realistically with our squad and budget 10th -11th is realistically the highest we can achieve. I still expect us to be in the bottom half of the table next season and at some points look like we could get dragged into a relegation dogfight. People like AVB simply aren't interested in working under conditions like we have here and is his career really going to take a step forward if he manages to get 12th place with West Brom.
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AVB's English was perfect though. He is a quarter English and has grew up speaking it in a posh neighbourhood in Porto.
Brian Clough fell out with the entire Leeds squad because he came in and couldnt get on with a new group of players. It didnt make him a bad manager.
AVB failed at Cheslea probably because he is too young to manage a club with so many senior pros but he will almost certainly go on to have a good career in management. I think that is a big problem in English football. Failure is seen as a death knell to a career. In other countries they dont see things that way.
If we think we are too big for Villas Boas we are kidding ourselves. Villas Boas would be the perfect appointment and unlike Chelsea, our players dont have the same ego's or difficult club legend personalities that so often cause headaches to new managers. Hodgson struggled at Liverpool but did well at WBA because he was dealing with a different level or player.
Still think AVB was a poor communicator. I certainly switched off listening to him, unlike someone like Arsene Wenger. Maybe it's because he was too young, and didn't have the confidence to develop a sense of humour, at least not with the media. Of course Chelsea is an extreme example regarding what players have experienced in terms of Champions League etc., but I just find his manner off putting. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what I think, it would be what Olsson, Pete and Mozza make of him.
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The news that Lambert has quit Norwich to go to Villa should eliminate another hurdle. Things speeding up everywhere.
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I agree that I think AVB is a sign of getting a bit carried away with things but he isnt that different to Rangnick. Rangnick has a more grounded back ground but he hasnt managed a genuine underdog for over a decade now (Hoffenheim were spending huge money in the lower leagues in Germany - it is why he went there - clever career move). AVB's first managerial job was Academica De Coimbra only 2 years ago. They are both about as big as each other in the managerial heavyweight stakes.
I see you're point about AVB being somewhat inexperienced manager which lowers his current value but when I compare Ragnick to AVB I see somebody in Ragnick who is more of a coach of players. A man who takes sides that are either punching below their weight or even going nowhere and turning them into something competitive. In AVB I see a trophy winner, a manager who I believe will take charge of tops clubs to win top honors; not teams like us who want to finish two places higher next season.
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The news that Lambert has quit Norwich to go to Villa should eliminate another hurdle. Things speeding up everywhere.
Now means Norwich are also looking too though ???
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Anyone know the odds of `Next Manager´ changing to `New Manager´ on this forum in the next 48 hours?
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Now means Norwich are also looking too though ???
While Swansea has Poyet written all over it, Norwich has a distinct taste of Hughton. Chris Powell or Alan Curbishley might also fit them though.
lets hope the rumours doing the rounds are true tonight that we might havent somebody else exciting lined up. We need to get it sorted now though, it's starting to drag a little too far.
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Still think we will end up with Hughton eventually.
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Looks like Villa would have to pay compensation to Norwich for inducing Lambert to resign, but I'm not sure that we would have to pay any if he comes to us instead of Villa? Now there's a thought....
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I, and probably others, don't use other boards so if anyone can let us know what ITK posters are saying on them we'd all be very appreciative. Ta v muchly.
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laudrup hopefully!!!
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Why would Villa trade in a dour Scotsman for another one? ;D
Lambert is a hoofball merchant who I reckon will suit Villa.
Are we waiting for England to crash out of the Euros - Roy to be sacked so we can appoint him again?
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Still think we will end up with Hughton eventually.
Ive said that all along.
Always expect the unexopected with The Albion
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I doubt it matters if DA is on holiday now, all the leg work regarding who is interested in the job etc is now done, the next stage is all about JP he does the final interviews, pay structure etc. So don't everybody scream if nothing occurs today
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We knew we needed a manager before everyone else that needs a manager.Looking like Lambert will go to the Vile. With us first and last springs to mind
I dont want Hughton,Dragged on too long with him, he would have been in place by now anyway.Even Swansea fans saying they wouldnt want him because of his too long ball style.
Hopefully Rangnick for us
Bruce for Norwich but Hughton high on their list too
Holloway fav at Swansea
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Today is the day we get our new manager, I can feel it in me bones :P
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I have a feeling it will be tomorow when we announce a new manager.
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I have a feeling it might be the day after tomorrow when we announce our new coach
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If it isnt Rangnick i think it will drag on for some days yet >:(
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I have a feeling it might be the day after tomorrow when we announce our new coach
I have a feeling Liverpool, Villa,Norwich,Swansea, Chelsea will all have permanent managers before us
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I'm too old to have feelings...
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I'm not ITK at all, but I've got a feeling that Rafa Benitez is not out of the frame for us if Lambert is getting the Villa job.
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I've got a feeling that Rafa Benitez was never in the frame for our job in the first place :D
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Theres an awful lot of feelings around this morning ::)
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Its been going on so long its turned very emotional for us all
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Just said on WM that they seem to think they will know within the next half hour if Rangnick wants the job or not.
Goldberg seems quite 'aroused'
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Just said on WM that they seem to think they will know within the next half hour if Rangnick wants the job or not.
Goldberg seems quite 'aroused'
Why? has somebody Been feeling him
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There is something going on that is for sure.
Midday press conference anyone? :P
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I got a feeling, that tonights going to be a good night, yeah tonights going to be a good nighttt lalaa 8)
On a serious note, If we find out within the next hour or so if it is/isnt Rangnick, god knows who else is in the frame.
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Lets hope its all sorted with Dan being away
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BREAKING NEWS.... There will be a press conference some Time today.......or tommorow, hang on maybe Saturday but I heard probably Monday. :)
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AVB June 1st
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AVB June 1st
Noooo! Not another day without knowing!
I just can't handle the pressure! lol
Is this the mystery man I wonder? :P
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AVB June 1st
A Very Big June 1st?
You got a job interview? Birthday? Getting married?
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I am tired and exhusted with all this, or is it the heat
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Not sure on Rangnick based on what ive read on Wiki!
He seems to walk out a fair bit, has never worked in england, somehow managed to get the schalke job but didnt last very long, then eventually went back there and only lasted a few months.
Most of his success seems to be in the german 2nd division.
Not sure about this one!
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wy do people keep seeing we'll know by 'X' time ie that WM DJ saying in the next half hour, we wait half hour nothing happens! It's quite funny that we've managed to talk about it for113 pages, i predict by page 118 we will know!
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I am tired and exhusted with all this, or is it the heat
As you know the only way for a dog to get rid of heat is through it's tongue, I think you need some water my friend.
But I agree it's very exhusting.
I was hoping today was going to be the day to be honest.
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If its not Rangnick still got an inkling that JP is after Martinez despite being shot down in flames everytime I mention it!!..............Martinez is foolish IMO turning down AVFC and LFC his stock has never been higher. If hes got ambition he should go now.............one bad season/relegation at Wigan and his reputation is not in tatters but the shines gone!
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If its not Rangnick still got an inkling that JP is after Martinez despite being shot down in flames everytime I mention it!!..............Martinez is foolish IMO turning down AVFC and LFC his stock has never been higher. If hes got ambition he should go now.............one bad season/relegation at Wigan and his reputation is not in tatters but the shines gone!
I think Martinez has missed his chance now and I don't see his stock ever getting this high again as he's severely overrated as a manager. Steve Bruce did better at Wigan than he did albeit with a seemingly bigger budget. I wouldn't actually want Martinez as I simply don't rate him.
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I agree with BH Baggie, RM is the most overated manager in the PL. Wigan were awful for most of the season, they had 2 good months at the end and suddenly he is the god of football!!! Now i'm not saying he isnt a good manager, but he is very overated.
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So they say it could be someone who has suddenly put there name forward.......RDM maybe...?
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So they say it could be someone who has suddenly put there name forward.......RDM maybe...?
Who is they?
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Who is they?
We always get these random comments from reply with single figure posts.
I can't find any rumours today other than that Brian Dick guy saying he's hearing we wont hear anything till tomorrow.
Just waiting for Sealandairs "told ya so" when Appletons appointed tomorrow. I'll never question him again if that happens!
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Martinez issue with Liverpool was that he would not work with a Director of Football so that would pretty much kill his chances of working with us.
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OK, may not have used correct terminology, but was referring to ITK Posts..!
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OK, may not have used correct terminology, but was referring to ITK Posts..!
I don't think it's a new candidate but somebody said on here it was somebody well respected on these forums or something like that
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Lets be honest, if there was any more leg work to be done, then Dan wouldnt be " away", he'd be here sorting it wouldnt he !
I think its already done in terms of who, its just getting the signing done which Ashworth doesnt get involved in.
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Look.....all i did was put a name forward based on what posts i have read over the last few days......one ITK poster said someone had come in at the last minute (who apparently was very interested)....All i meant to say was could that someone be RDM.....?
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Lets be honest, if there was any more leg work to be done, then Dan wouldnt be " away", he'd be here sorting it wouldnt he !
I think its already done in terms of who, its just getting the signing done which Ashworth doesnt get involved in.
Exactly. There is a certain Portuguese fellow that due to a previous contract can't be signed until tomorrow.
:P
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Exactly. There is a certain Portuguese fellow that due to a previous contract can't be signed until tomorrow.
:P
Would love it to be AVB. Wrong job at the wrong time re Chelski imo. I think we'd suit him and enable him to get his name back 'up there'.
Plus I had a fiver on him at 20/1 ... ::)
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Look.....all i did was put a name forward based on what posts i have read over the last few days......one ITK poster said someone had come in at the last minute (who apparently was very interested)....All i meant to say was could that someone be RDM.....?
I doubt it would be him. I read a comment from him the other week when he was asked if he would be interested in a return to the club now Hodgson has gone and he said something along the lines of him once going back out with an ex-girlfriend and didn't work out well.
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Exactly. There is a certain Portuguese fellow that due to a previous contract can't be signed until tomorrow.
:P
That would be funny. His last and next Premiership game could be at the Hawthorns. :D
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I agree with Greenock, if Ashworth is going away you would imagine that the hard work is done for whoever we get.
Nowadays press conferences very rarely happen straight away, we may announce our new manager today or tomorrow but actually unveil him to the media next week as bear in mind its the weekend and then a 2 day bank holiday so it will be middle next week before any press conference could be done anyway which would probably tie in with the end of Ashworths holiday!
I would think next week Liverpool, Villa and us will all be unveiling our new managers to the media! Still got a feeling it will be Appleton.
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I doubt it would be him. I read a comment from him the other week when he was asked if he would be interested in a return to the club now Hodgson has gone and he said something along the lines of him once going back out with an ex-girlfriend and didn't work out well.
Yes, i did see that.......but maybe a change of mind.....we have all gone down that route in the past..!
It was only a thought.
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Why would Ashworth go on holiday while we are in the process of finding a new manager?
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Yes, i did see that.......but maybe a change of mind.....we have all gone down that route in the past..!
It was only a thought.
Even if RDM changed his mind why would we? we sacked him once dont forget!
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Why would Ashworth go on holiday while we are in the process of finding a new manager?
Maybe we already have the man we want!
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WM- how long is this half an hour??? :o
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Why would Ashworth go on holiday while we are in the process of finding a new manager?
Well he is only human there are very few opportunities during the year for him to take time off. I suspect that once the candidates have been identified contract negotiations will be in the hands of Mark Jenkins and Richard Garlick. It is perfectly possible for us to appoint a manager while Dan is on holiday.
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I can see this going on a while longer. Perhaps next week after the bank holiday.
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Even if RDM changed his mind why would we? we sacked him once dont forget!
That's a fair point...! but who knows with Mr Peace, he always seem to surprise us.
Let's just hope he makes an appointment soon because probably like many others my work is suffering, and i'm going stir crazy trying to keep up with all the rumours..! :P
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It'll be all the more painful if we don't today or tomorrow because then we hit a 4 day weekend which'll mean more waiting!
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All we need is Ant and Dec to say and the winner isssssssssssssssss.................................
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It'll be all the more painful if we don't today or tomorrow because then we hit a 4 day weekend which'll mean more waiting!
Thats good we might hit record pages for a thread
I must say this Manager merry go round is keeping us all interested in the close season
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Well he is only human there are very few opportunities during the year for him to take time off. I suspect that once the candidates have been identified contract negotiations will be in the hands of Mark Jenkins and Richard Garlick. It is perfectly possible for us to appoint a manager while Dan is on holiday.
The thing is though Ashworth is the one that will be directly working with the new manager more so than those two and Peace.
The only thing I can think of is that Ashworth has identified the man, met him and established that the two can work together and that the final negotiations will be concluded by those two you mention.
Although if those negotiations fail - then what? Is there a list of 3 or 4 that Ashworth has found and 'ok'ed?
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It'll be all the more painful if we don't today or tomorrow because then we hit a 4 day weekend which'll mean more waiting!
Relax, when there is a deal to be done people work holidays and use their e-mail and phones pool side.
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Maybe Dan can conclude and wrap it up by the pool
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Maybe Dan can conclude and wrap it up by the pool
pools, Germans & towels mmmmmmmm :D
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So according to @Briandick 's twitter Rangnick still favorite but Phelan and Appleton still not ruled out. But decision might not be announced till tomorrow.
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So according to @Briandick 's twitter Rangnick still favorite but Phelan and Appleton still not ruled out. But decision might not be announced till tomorrow.
Oh my, now I'm worried
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So according to @Briandick 's twitter Rangnick still favorite but Phelan and Appleton still not ruled out. But decision might not be announced till tomorrow.
Not sure about Phelan. Brian Kidd could not cut it when he left Fergie.In saying that the brolly man has done kind of ok
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Martinez issue with Liverpool was that he would not work with a Director of Football so that would pretty much kill his chances of working with us.
Dont think thats the same as DA at Albion whos the Sporting & Technical Director. Think Director of Football has overall control of football so he can influence team selection and tactics etc. DA looks after all things football EXCEPT team and tactics that is left to the coach thats his remit. DA liases on recruitment player development and all the other surrounding issues. So DA wouldnt stop Martinez joining Albion in my view.
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Oh my, now I'm worried
Definitely a dark horse :D :o
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Oh my, now I'm worried
Yeah, if that is plan B and C lets hope Rangnick says yes. But what I don't get is if Appleton or Phelan were anywhere near then we would have had to approach their respective clubs and surely this would have become public.
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Definitely a dark horse :D :o
I'd have said more like a dead donkey :'(
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So would it seem Phelan is the surprise outsider that has been mentioned?
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Will be AVB. But can't be announced til June 1st due to deal with Chelsea. From ITK source, but don't forget things could change any minute in this situation. Surprised to see Phelan linked. Didn't expect that.
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So would it seem Phelan is the surprise outsider that has been mentioned?
Thats what i heard too but i didnt want to alarm you all :)
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Not sure about Phelan. Brian Kidd could not cut it when he left Fergie.In saying that the brolly man has done kind of ok
Some people are just better as assistants: Wilkins, Peter Taylor, Brian Kidd, Peter Grant, Don Howe, list is endless, and of course Terry O'Connor lmao.
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Definitely a dark horse :D :o
No No No..............Gareth Southgate has rewritten the Oxford Concise....its Black Horse please
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Will be AVB. But can't be announced til June 1st due to deal with Chelsea. From ITK source, but don't forget things could change any minute in this situation. Surprised to see Phelan linked. Didn't expect that.
I can now confirm this man was definitely interviewed
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Even if RDM changed his mind why would we? we sacked him once dont forget!
Well, if RDM doesn't get the Chelsea or Villa jobs then coming back here wouldn't be his worst option !
I'm not sure that "going back" is the right thing to do - the factors which caused his sacking could easily repeat themselves.
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Do you mean AVB or Phelan was definitely interviewed WBAinDevon?
I dont want to get too excited about AVB being manager as just cant see it but part of me cant help think, what if it was?!!!!!
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Mike Phelan *shudders*
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Well, if RDM doesn't get the Chelsea or Villa jobs then coming back here wouldn't be his worst option !
I'm not sure that "going back" is the right thing to do - the factors which caused his sacking could easily repeat themselves.
He's got plenty to go at at the minute, Norwich, Swansea, possibly Wigan, maybe Villa if Lambert ducks out
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Do you mean AVB or Phelan was definitely interviewed WBAinDevon?
I dont want to get too excited about AVB being manager as just cant see it but part of me cant help think, what if it was?!!!!!
An extremely reliable source told me AVB was interviewed by us 2-3 weeks ago. It does kind of make sense
June 1st and all that.
I went out and put 50 smackers on it at the time :P
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Phelen although I rate highly would be disasterous in my view especially due to the negative feelings after his playing spell here.
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I can now confirm this man was definitely interviewed
AVB or MP?
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Phelen although I rate highly would be disasterous in my view especially due to the negative feelings after his playing spell here.
Maybe Townsend has his assistant :)
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AVB or MP?
The chap from Portugal
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An extremely reliable source told me AVB was interviewed by us 2-3 weeks ago. It does kind of make sense
June 1st and all that.
I went out and put 50 smackers on it at the time :P
I heard the same. Was told it was unlikely he would join though at the time, but things have progressed now and being told 1st June.
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New poll
AVB or Rangnick? :D
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Some people are just better as assistants: Wilkins, Peter Taylor, Brian Kidd, Peter Grant, Don Howe, list is endless, and of course Terry O'Connor lmao.
He's not very good as an assistant either.
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Phelen although I rate highly
Just out of interest what is it that makes you rate him so highly? The only exposure he gets is the occassional post match interview in which I think he usually sounds dour, uninspiring and to be honest thick
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Can you imagine the Cockney press and Chelski fans if we get AVB, lmfao !!
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Just out of interest what is it that makes you rate him so highly? The only exposure he gets is his occassional post match interview in which I think he usually sounds dour and to be honest not the most intelligent of blokes
Thats when Sir Alex normally looses a match
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The last time AVB heard any of our voices we were singing sacked in the morning! oops.
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My jaw dropped when I saw Mike Phelan. If he was to be appointed it would be a massive disappointment in my opinion. To go from the likes of Ranieri and Rangnick and then appoint Mike Phelan would be rather underwhelming. I'd much rather us go and appoint Chris Hughton rather than Phelan.
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Maybe Townsend has his assistant :)
Please stop this. You are making me depressed with the thought. :(
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My jaw dropped when I saw Mike Phelan. If he was to be appointed it would be a massive disappointment in my opinion. To go from the likes of Ranieri and Rangnick and then appoint Mike Phelan would be rather underwhelming. I'd much rather us go and appoint Chris Hughton rather than Phelan.
Holloway or Phelan? :D
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The last time AVB heard any of our voices we were singing sacked in the morning! oops.
Sly!
FWIW, put a quid on AVB. Do it quickly, and you can get 60s.
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If AVB wants to come back to England and prove his name, then we would be the obvious choice, the steady job. Liverpool now having Rodgers, Villa looking like Lambert, out of the jobs available - Swansea, Norwich and Us i would say we are the most appealing prospect. Also you cant really see any more manager go rounds unless Redknapp went to Chelsea but cant see it.
If AVB wants to go europe then he will probably have pick of some huge clubs but if he wants England we may be the ones!
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Please stop this. You are making me depressed with the thought. :(
Both still looking for a payday?
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Sly!
FWIW, put a quid on AVB. Do it quickly, and you can get 60s.
Welcome home hope your back for transfer deadline day too :)
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Apparently his coaching methods are similar to Roys, strong matchlike drills etc.
Hes been SAF's assistant since 2008 so much have something especially as SAF decided to promote him rather than bring someone in when Queiroz left.
Your observation of being dour is one downside however.
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By the way where has Dan gone on Vacation, Portugal maybe?
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Sly!
FWIW, put a quid on AVB. Do it quickly, and you can get 60s.
Odds are dropping. I got 20s.
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Sly!
FWIW, put a quid on AVB. Do it quickly, and you can get 60s.
Where you getting that Mart? I managed to get him at 20's about a week ago
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Apparently his coaching methods are similar to Roys, strong matchlike drills etc.
Hes been SAF's assistant since 2008 so much have something especially as SAF decided to promote him rather than bring someone in when Queiroz left.
Your observation of being dour is one downside however.
Phelan would be a sodding disaster.
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It would appear our new manager is not part of the poll
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Holloway or Phelan? :D
Bloody hell. Git ;D
Holloway by the way. I just can't imagine Mike Phelan as a manager to be honest.
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Phelan is obviously very knowledgeable but I just dont see him as a leader of men and we need a leader of men. Would be a very dodgy direction to go and open to ridicule IMO
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Yes hes 20/1, its Ragnicks to turn down in which case AVB will be offered it, nothing new, nothing ITK about it, the papers have been so full of rubbish for weeks.
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It would appear our new manager is not part of the poll
Thats a teaser as neither AVB, Rangnick or Micky Phelan are on there! Haha!
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Stuck a tenner on when it was 50/1 :P
If it is AVB, i'd be very happy both with the appointment, as well as a bulging wallet :D
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If AVB wants to go europe then he will probably have pick of some huge clubs but if he wants England we may be the ones!
We MAY be the ones, yes. And Father Christmas MAY be real. And Liverpool MAY get into the top 4 next season, And,,,,,,,,,,ok you get my drift !!!
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Guess you had to be quicker then! ;D
Oddschecker is showing for AVB:
64 Betfair
40 Betfred
33s with BlueSQ, 888, bet365 and Victor.
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If our new manager turns out to be AVB I will be shocked and to coin a footballing phrase (thread already going for this) over the moon son over the moon.
AVB would be perfect WBA
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We MAY be the ones, yes. And Father Christmas MAY be real. And Liverpool MAY get into the top 4 next season, And,,,,,,,,,,ok you get my drift !!!
At least there is a chance Father Christmas may be real, Liverpool in the top 4 though! Fantasy stuff!
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Phelan would be a sodding disaster.
I agree but only because of the deepness of feeling from fans in my view.
I cant stand the bloke but still rate him highly..would I want him at the club...No.
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Guess you had to be quicker then! ;D
Oddschecker is showing for AVB:
64 Betfair
40 Betfred
33s with BlueSQ, 888, bet365 and Victor.
Tempted to open a bet fair just for this! William hills odds are appalling.
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Not sure if it's already been mentioned (can't be arsed to trawl through the pages) but a press conference is due at 2pm tomorrow. Apparently, by no means confirmed.
Also, not sure if it's been covered, but I imagine it has something to do with tomorrow being the 1st June.
Just saying.
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Not sure if it's already been mentioned (can't be arsed to trawl through the pages) but a press conference is due at 2pm tomorrow. Apparently, by no means confirmed.
Also, not sure if it's been covered, but I imagine it has something to do with tomorrow being the 1st June.
Just saying.
1st June was mentioned, the press conference is a new one on me. Exciting now!
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Are we really interested any more in who actually will be our next coach or has this descended into a simple attempt to break the page record and be the first to break the news when it arrives. Ive got this sad vision of hundreds nee thousands of baggies fans camped at their computer screen surrounded by empty pizza boxes whilst furiously flicking through the 25 windows open on the desktop for the golden nugget of information................i need to go and lie down
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Maybe Rangnick was waiting to see what happened with the Liverpool and Villa jobs?
I just hope he wasn't looking at Norwich or Swansea too...
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Are we really interested any more in who actually will be our next coach or has this descended into a simple attempt to break the page record and be the first to break the news when it arrives. Ive got this sad vision of hundreds nee thousands of baggies fans camped at their computer screen surrounded by empty pizza boxes whilst furiously flicking through the 25 windows open on the desktop for the golden nugget of information................i need to go and lie down
Nobodies interested in who the new head coach is.
You can tell that by the 116 pages of posts ;D
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Are we really interested any more in who actually will be our next coach or has this descended into a simple attempt to break the page record and be the first to break the news when it arrives. Ive got this sad vision of hundreds nee thousands of baggies fans camped at their computer screen surrounded by empty pizza boxes whilst furiously flicking through the 25 windows open on the desktop for the golden nugget of information................i need to go and lie down
You obviously weren't around for Yellowstepsgate.
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AVB's odds plummeting.
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You obviously weren't around for Yellowstepsgate.
that was a very long pre-season
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AVB's odds plummeting.
Is that why its gone quite on here, everyones rushed out
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1st June was mentioned, the press conference is a new one on me. Exciting now!
Oh my god can it be happing? We are going to chose a manager. But now the question is who?
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AVB's odds plummeting.
Thats your fault
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that was a very long pre-season
And to think, people are now stressing about the delay on our managerial appointment, a good few weeks before they can actually do anything with the squad or new acquisitions anyway.
If this is a sign of expectations for the season, I am going to resign from the internet.
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Can someone confirm this is now a record page thread
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You obviously weren't around for Yellowstepsgate.
Oh now you've done it! Talk about opening the flood gates! ::) :P
Will this site be able to cope once the news is out of our new head coach?
Personally, I still think we'll all end up disapointed! Not about the site about our new coach. :)
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And to think, people are now stressing about the delay on our managerial appointment, a good few weeks before they can actually do anything with the squad or new acquisitions anyway.
If this is a sign of expectations for the season, I am going to resign from the internet.
success breeds expectation i guess, we've over achieved the last 2 seasons with 11th and 10th place finishes
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Can someone confirm this is now a record page thread
No, it's not:
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?action=stats
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Oh now you've done it! Talk about opening the flood gates! ::) :P
Will this site be able to cope once the news is out of our new head coach?
Personally, I still think we'll all end up disapointed! Not about the site about our new coach. :)
Thats probably where Phelan comes into it :)
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success breeds expectation i guess, we've over achieved the last 2 seasons with 11th and 10th place finishes
Dont agree JP I think we over achieved at all. Think we just got what we deserved for all the hard work and progress we have made particularly with developing the playing squad. But I grant you it took the appointment of a different class of coach to pull it all together. Dont see why we cant stay where we are were good enough quality wise with potential to get better
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20s down to 14s now on sky bet
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AVB down to 10s on hills. Down to 39/10 on 32red. 14s on sky bet.
Cheers DJ, got him at 20s when you said!
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Anyway isn't AVB more suited to the villa with those initials
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"We got him the sack, but now he's back, walking in a Boas wonderland!" ;D
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AVB coming in with most bookies about every 20 minutes at the moment.
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Got him at 33 on bet365 :D
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Not a huge fan of AVB if im honest. Not sure he is suited to english football.
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"We got him the sack, but now he's back, walking in a Boas wonderland!" ;D
LMAO............How funny would that be singing that at home 1st match of the season possibly against Chelski.
:P :P :P
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Dont agree JP I think we over achieved at all. Think we just got what we deserved for all the hard work and progress we have made particularly with developing the playing squad. But I grant you it took the appointment of a different class of coach to pull it all together. Dont see why we cant stay where we are were good enough quality wise with potential to get better
perhaps over achieved isn't the right word/term
last season it showed with a quality manager what we can with the team, a team that RDM had been struggling with.
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Here you have a prime example of what a little rumour on the internet can do to bookies odds.
Lesson: Don't pay any attention to them.
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AVB should stick to trance. Football management is a bit different.
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"We got him the sack, but now he's back, walking in a Boas wonderland!" ;D
LOVE that
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AVB still 33/1 on BetVictor if you're sharpish. Falling EVERYWHERE though. Presumably because of the backing from everyone on here!
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Dropped to 7's, hard not to get a little excited even though it really doesnt mean anything ;)
33's are now gone
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Sticking to the facts we are still in talks with Rangnick who I guess is our first choice. If that falls through we will have a plan B. Our plan B is not AVB he would be plan A. If Rangnick falls through then it is much more likely to be Appy than AVB.
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Sticking to the facts we are still in talks with Rangnick who I guess is our first choice. If that falls through we will have a plan B. Our plan B is not AVB he would be plan A. If Rangnick falls through then it is much more likely to be Appy than AVB.
We will get relegated with Appy
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Anyone else starting to feel we've let this drag on far too long, and as a result we may now suffer the consequences?
I'd love us to wrap up Rangnick now as he seems a very good manager. However, if that fails then we may be in real trouble.
With Lambert most likely going to Villa, that leaves Swansea AND Norwich looking for managers. These 2 teams are very close to us in size which means they can compete with us.
What if one gets Hughton, paying the £2 million...then who do we look for if Rangnick turns us down?
We're then left with the likes of Appleton and Holloway, which personally I think would be a disaster...and it's all down to stalling.
I pray to god Rangnick joins us, otherwise it looks like we're in trouble unless a random Rangnick character turns up from the blue!
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Anyone else starting to feel we've let this drag on far too long, and as a result we may now suffer the consequences?
I'd love us to wrap up Rangnick now as he seems a very good manager. However, if that fails then we may be in real trouble.
With Lambert most likely going to Villa, that leaves Swansea AND Norwich looking for managers. These 2 teams are very close to us in size which means they can compete with us.
What if one gets Hughton, paying the £2 million...then who do we look for if Rangnick turns us down?
We're then left with the likes of Appleton and Holloway, which personally I think would be a disaster...and it's all down to stalling.
I pray to god Rangnick joins us, otherwise it looks like we're in trouble unless a random Rangnick character turns up from the blue!
History would suggest Norwich or Swansea are a million miles from us but i suppose its the Cheque book that counts at the and of the day
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AVB now at 5's, are they getting all there info from here? ;D
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Sticking to the facts we are still in talks with Rangnick who I guess is our first choice. If that falls through we will have a plan B. Our plan B is not AVB he would be plan A. If Rangnick falls through then it is much more likely to be Appy than AVB.
At last, some realism. Of course, AVB would be first choice. He is one of the top coaches in Europe. Didnt work out for him at Chelsea, but he is outside our league by a country mile
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At last, some realism. Of course, AVB would be first choice. He is one of the top coaches in Europe. Didnt work out for him at Chelsea, but he is outside our league by a country mile
So was Roy...
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At last, some realism. Of course, AVB would be first choice. He is one of the top coaches in Europe. Didnt work out for him at Chelsea, but he is outside our league by a country mile
Stop spoiling the fun ;D
It's better to dream about who we could bring in rather than poo your pants about who we might end up with :P
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Talk about fever pitch I have just seen someone post that that there is a rumour of a press conference tomorrow at 2pm. For pities sake next there will be a rumour about a rumour. Get a grip and stop betting AVB you are terrifying the bookies with your mighty £10 wagers they are running away now as short as 5/1 (the sniveling cowards)
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Odds flying down everywhere, i have 1 hour i cant get on the internet and the odds drop massive amount and can only get 20/1 now
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Its gone quite on here.Have you all rushed to the bookies
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Talk about fever pitch I have just seen someone post that that there is a rumour of a press conference tomorrow at 2pm. For pities sake next there will be a rumour about a rumour. Get a grip and stop betting AVB you are terrifying the bookies with your mighty £10 wagers they are running away now as short as 5/1 (the sniveling cowards)
Blimey, who had a poo on your pancake this morning?! ;D
IIRC, this used to be a messageboard, where fans could post opinions, and could also post about news they had heard, which would then be discussed with other fans.
I haven't been around for a long time, due to the quite evident loss of it's once great sense of humour, but I presumed that was still the premise of this place? Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
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Its gone quite on here.Have you all rushed to the bookies
Think the server went down for a bit
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Finally back on! Server went for me. Any more newsDJ?
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Its gone quite on here.Have you all rushed to the bookies
Quiet before the storm...
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AVB now at 5's, are they getting all there info from here? ;D
6/1 on Stan James
10/1 on Skybet
16/1 on Paddy Power
Aye up the censors been at it again ::)
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Blimey, who had a poo on your pancake this morning?! ;D
IIRC, this used to be a messageboard, where fans could post opinions, and could also post about news they had heard, which would then be discussed with other fans.
I haven't been around for a long time, due to the quite evident loss of it's once great sense of humour, but I presumed that was still the premise of this place? Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
People post continuous pooh it gets removed, you know that. If that means the 'humour' goes so be it.
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6/1 on Stan James
10/1 on Skybet
16/1 on Paddy Power
Aye up the censors been at it again ::)
9-1 with Boylesports. Ralf Rangnick is 8/15
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We will get relegated with Appy
Roy Hodgson to Micheal Appleton.........absolutely no disrespect to anyone but that crushingly underwelms me so I have to agree
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So, can we leave the bitching about how this board is run and stick to the topic then please.
People are free to come and go from this board as and when they like. If people want a board full of pooh then I suggest they chose another. Yes we are strict and thats what seperates us from others, banter, jokes are fine but when that one/two posts turn into half or a full page of 'witty' stuff its deflects from the topic and ruins a thread hence why posts get removed. We don't remove anything because we don't like the poster or we don't like the post, we do it to keep the board tidy and smooth running.
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It seems as though we are down to four; Rangnick, Appleton and Phelan who have been mentioned by the local media, and AVB who hasn't been mentioned by the media at all but the rumour mill keeps on turning.
I think the next day and a half are going to be crucial. I just hope it's Rangnick or the surprise of AVB, because Appleton or Phelan would be an absolute disaster.
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It's better to dream about who we could bring in rather than poo your pants about who we might end up with :P
yes, but it seems to be one extreme or the other. Some people are piling their money on AVB (the dream), whilst others are fearing we will end up with Appleton and get relegated (pooing their pants). The point I was making is that we will inevitably end up with a good coach who will keep us up (realism)
Far be it from me to stop people dreaming. I like a dream myself but if its to be AVB I will have died and gone to heaven.
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yes, but it seems to be one extreme or the other. Some people are piling their money on AVB (the dream), whilst others are fearing we will end up with Appleton and get relegated (pooing their pants). The point I was making is that we will inevitably end up with a good coach who will keep us up (realism)
Far be it from me to stop people dreaming. I like a dream myself but if its to be AVB I will have died and gone to heaven.
I'm 99.99999999% sure it won't be appy, how ever much of a great guy he is, it's the wrong time of him to manage us.
Be interesting if anything gets said before this 2pm presser tomorrow, or if the club will spring a surprise.
Still positive it will be rangnick, but part of me now is thinking it could be AVB.
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if the shortening of AVB's odds is partly from here!
I think we'd be surprised at how much influence fans' message boards have.
On a similar note, if you're reading this JP/DA, get on with it! We're going mental over here!
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yes, but it seems to be one extreme or the other. Some people are piling their money on AVB (the dream), whilst others are fearing we will end up with Appleton and get relegated (pooing their pants). The point I was making is that we will inevitably end up with a good coach who will keep us up (realism)
Far be it from me to stop people dreaming. I like a dream myself but if its to be AVB I will have died and gone to heaven.
So Tim if we end up with Ralf a sort of half way house could we class that as a wet dream!!? I just hope we have learnt the lesson that the PL really is no place for novices al Appleton. We need to take note of the debacle down the road when Moxeys infamous "not a job for a novice" quote turned into a job for Terry Conner.....and well we all know the rest. If that happened to us I would be mortified and ashamed all at the same time
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I'm 99.99999999% sure it won't be appy, how ever much of a great guy he is, it's the wrong time of him to manage us.
Be interesting if anything gets said before this 2pm presser tomorrow, or if the club will spring a surprise.
Still positive it will be rangnick, but part of me now is thinking it could be AVB.
Haven't seen anything anywhere that would convince me that this rumour about the 2pm press conference tomorrow is actually happening.
Really hoping for Rangnick or AVB, not only because they are the best candidates but I stand to win a fair bit of money if one of them gets the job! Appleton will be a disaster and Phelan a nightmare appointment. I'm still fairly confident it will be Ralf.
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dont see why AVB wouldnt come to us when he knows that we are superior to Chelsea
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17246547
;D
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I'm 99.99999999% sure it won't be appy, how ever much of a great guy he is, it's the wrong time of him to manage us.
Be interesting if anything gets said before this 2pm presser tomorrow, or if the club will spring a surprise.
Still positive it will be rangnick, but part of me now is thinking it could be AVB.
Didn't you also say this?
'Will be AVB. But can't be announced til June 1st due to deal with Chelsea. From ITK source, but don't forget things could change any minute in this situation. Surprised to see Phelan linked. Didn't expect that.'
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if the shortening of AVB's odds is partly from here!
I think we'd be surprised at how much influence fans' message boards have.
I think it is from here, but from a few people putting some bets on after hearing a rumour about him. The same thing happened with Appleton, someone 'itk' said it would've been him, a few people here but a bet on him, and he quickly went from 25/1 to something like 10/1. Next manager betting is so volatile all it takes it a few bets to shorten someone's odds dramatically, probably because all the bookies are worried about people having inside information.
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dont see why AVB wouldnt come to us when he knows that we are superior to Chelsea
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17246547
;D
Brilliant. I think after all the years of having to be realistic we may have to start thinking bigger as fans. Top ten premier league, well run club, stadium expansion. Its a solid platform for any manager, peace protects our players being poached which would be a major plus for a prospective manager. I think we have the respect of the premier league now, established and never favourites for relegation.
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Our superstar footballers need a name they can look up to.Unffortuanately Appy is not that name
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Didn't you also say this?
'Will be AVB. But can't be announced til June 1st due to deal with Chelsea. From ITK source, but don't forget things could change any minute in this situation. Surprised to see Phelan linked. Didn't expect that.'
I did yes. Just relaying things I've heard/read. Still not convinced about it myself, and can still see it being rangnick.
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I think it is from here, but from a few people putting some bets on after hearing a rumour about him. The same thing happened with Appleton, someone 'itk' said it would've been him, a few people here but a bet on him, and he quickly went from 25/1 to something like 10/1. Next manager betting is so volatile all it takes it a few bets to shorten someone's odds dramatically, probably because all the bookies are worried about people having inside information.
Wasn't is sealandair that said it would be appy?
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Ive convinced myself it wont be Appleton, no offence but what we need is someone with experience not necessarily some one that knows everybody down to the laundry lady buy first name.
I'm sure once Appy's served his apprenticeship he will get a good shot here. Not just yet.
I do hope it's either Rangnick or AVB, but like I said earlier I expect Hughton to be rolled out soon.
Not ITK but just got one of those feelings that seems so prevalent today ;)
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Would it be easier to employ a player coach...............I would put Steven Reid in charge
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Just listening to H&J on Talksport at the mo, they are having another Guest / German Correspondent on the show later to specifically discuss Ralf and West Brom. Could be an interesting listen
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Would it be easier to employ a player coach...............I would put Steven Reid in charge
If we do that we will get relegated. Am i the only one that dont want Hughton on here, i would rather have Appy
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Would it be easier to employ a player coach...............I would put Steven Reid in charge
Speechless... :D
Hughton or Rangnick, AVB is just wishful thinking, never going to happen.
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Would it be easier to employ a player coach...............I would put Steven Reid in charge
Defeating the object of having an experienced head coach then doesn't it. If we was to g down that line then I'd say appy was way ahead in the pecking order.
Just 2 names in the running for me now.
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Wasn't is sealandair that said it would be appy?
Yes, I believe it was, he seemed extremely certain of it as well. He most likely heard that Appleton was being considered and he exaggerated it.
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I don't think there hasn't been a manager that hasn't been labelled as a nailed-on cert by at least someobdy on here. Let's just be patient, there's no need to mislead people - the vast majority of people (if not all) on here are in the same boat in that in reality they don't have a clue what's going on behind the boardroom doors. Myself very much included!
Let's just hope this is over asap.
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I don't think there hasn't been a manager that hasn't been labelled as a nailed-on cert by at least someobdy on here. Let's just be patient, there's no need to mislead people - the vast majority of people (if not all) on here are in the same boat in that in reality they don't have a clue what's going on behind the boardroom doors. Myself very much included!
Let's just hope this is over asap.
My sentiments exactly.
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AVBs record at Porto P51 W45 D4 L2 W%88.24
Rangnicks record at Hoffenhiem P166 W79 D43 L44 W%47.59
But which is best.............theres only one way to find out..................................FIGHT
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I don't think there hasn't been a manager that hasn't been labelled as a nailed-on cert by at least someobdy on here. Let's just be patient, there's no need to mislead people - the vast majority of people (if not all) on here are in the same boat in that in reality they don't have a clue what's going on behind the boardroom doors. Myself very much included!
Let's just hope this is over asap.
No lets drag it out a little longer, i like all the bull poo.Its an amusing read :D
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Appy verses Phelan. Who would you want
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If we all go to our local bookies and put a pound on Ashley Turner (me) to be the next WBA manager, Ill be the bookies facourite for a day.
I reckon they'll give you good odds too.
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Appy verses Phelan. Who would you want
Appy.
Just because he has some form of managerial experience.
Phelan is an assistant, end of.
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Appy verses Phelan. Who would you want
A rope!! ;D
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Paul Lambert has fallen out with Norwich. Rumoured link with Villa. Peace and Ashworth, go and get him quick!
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It seems a pre-requisite to be a successful and (sometimes) popular Albion Manager you only need to have the right name!
The first letter of your FIRST name must be higher up the alphabet (or level) than the FIRST letter of your surname.
Look at the last 50/60 years, Vic Buckingham
Jimmy Hagan
Alan Ashman
Johnny Giles
Ron Atkinson
Osvaldo Ardiles
Tony Mowbray
Roberto de Matteo
Roy Hodgson
Chris Hughton, Mike Phelan, AVB, not in the running, but R Rangnick or Kenny Dalglish who knows??
Over to you J.P.
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Paul Lambert has fallen out with Norwich. Rumoured link with Villa. Peace and Ashworth, go and get him quick!
BREAKING NEWS!
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FFS stop talking about Phelan and Appy it will cause me to have nightmares :'(
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Paul Lambert has fallen out with Norwich. Rumoured link with Villa. Peace and Ashworth, go and get him quick!
Not a chance if Villa want him, not that i would want him anyway
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Just listening to H&J on Talksport at the mo, they are having another Guest / German Correspondent on the show later to specifically discuss Ralf and West Brom. Could be an interesting listen
"Ragnick is too good for Vest Bromvich, vee do not know Vest Bromvich in Deutschland". That's basically all he'll say.
Appy verses Phelan. Who would you want
Appleton. Phelan is an assistant and has been one for 17 years, if he was good enough/had the right skills to be a manger then he'd have became one somewhere by now. Appleton progressed through Albion's coaching hierarchy very quickly and managed to become a manager somewhere where he did fairly well, shows he has some ability and potential. Also I win £500 if it's Appleton.
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Paul Lambert has fallen out with Norwich. Rumoured link with Villa. Peace and Ashworth, go and get him quick!
Too fractious for JP
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Managed to put £5 on AVB @ 16/1.
There's a left field appointment coming from somewhere and this wouldn't surprise me one bit.
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"Ragnick is too good for Vest Bromvich, vee do not know Vest Bromvich in Deutschland". That's basically all he'll say.
Appleton. Phelan is an assistant and has been one for 17 years, if he was good enough/had the right skills to be a manger then he'd have became one somewhere by now. Appleton progressed through Albion's coaching hierarchy very quickly and managed to become a manager somewhere where he did fairly well, shows he has some ability and potential. Also I win £500 if it's Appleton.
If you win that £500 you should give it to the Samaritans because they will need extra staff to cope with our lot phoning them :'(
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Paul Lambert has fallen out with Norwich. Rumoured link with Villa. Peace and Ashworth, go and get him quick!
Lambert good manager not the right personality for WBA IMO
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And yet another day goes by without f*** all from the club and another 10 pages of drivvel on here. ha ha ha ha ::) :P ::)
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And yet another day goes by without f*** all from the club and another 10 pages of drivvel on here. ha ha ha ha ::) :P ::)
Im sure its been said a number of times that there will be a press conference tomorrow at 2pm
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Surprised that most people so far don't think that Lambert would be a good fit for us. He's done a fantastic job with Norwich and if he goes to Villa (which looks entirely likely) I think he'll do a good job (unfortunately). I suppose we'd be better off with a foreigner who has no practical experience of English football though eh?
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Im sure its been said a number of times that there will be a press conference tomorrow at 2pm
Whoever said that is winding you up. If there was a press conference tomorrow one of the journalists would have mentioned it. The press conferences after all meaning the press need to be invited.
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Im sure its been said a number of times that there will be a press conference tomorrow at 2pm
there was supposed to be one yesterday at midday! just someone being stupid! as the saying goes little things please little minds.
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Mr Hawkesby just said Ralf is on his way to the Albion, i think hes jumping the gun slightly.
They will be chatting to the German Sports writer anytime now
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Talksport now talking about Ralf
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Managed to withstand posting in this for 120 pages... I need some sort of promotion.
Either way, it spring to my mind that what winds people up the most, at least on here, is people who forget to include the magical phrases; "I think" or "Someone I know thinks" or "I hope" or "Maybe it could be".
If someone does actually know something, definate or not, that information and the person will almost always get abused and twisted and lord knows what else. There's plenty of social media noticeboards to spread all that on, and it's safer and less damaging to do so on there than it is to dump it on here. This is to just solely discuss (and even make sence of) what others are saying.
If you wish to be a journalist, go do it elsewhere. :P
...Of course, that's just my opinion. ;)
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German chap saying its more likely now, a little more optimistic than his interview of Tuesday
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Apologies.Its was a different German sports writer to that of the one on Talksport Tuesday.
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Surprised that most people so far don't think that Lambert would be a good fit for us. He's done a fantastic job with Norwich and if he goes to Villa (which looks entirely likely) I think he'll do a good job (unfortunately). I suppose we'd be better off with a foreigner who has no practical experience of English football though eh?
It depends who the the guy with the English football experience is and who the Johnny Foreigner is. Having experience of English football doesn't automatically make a manager superior to a foreigner with no experience with it.
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hope its ralfy and he consolidates us as the big dogs of the midlands for years to come
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It depends who the the guy with the English football experience is and who the Johnny Foreigner is. Having experience of English football doesn't automatically make a manager superior to a foreigner with no experience with it.
I completely agree. In this case, the guy with English football experience has an excellent recent record. He's off to Villa though now so we can probably stop discussing him.
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ah, still nothing more concrete, guess ill go back to work and come back later, then work tomorrow and expect the boardto be in meltdown by about 2.30 if this press conference is true!
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I'm still finding all this rather exciting!
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I reckon we should wait until after the Euros.... Some more managers will be around then mind you every team in the Prem seems to need 1 at the minute and this place would also go into meltdown if we did wait
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I reckon we should wait until after the Euros.... Some more managers will be around then mind you every team in the Prem seems to need 1 at the minute and this place would also go into meltdown if we did wait
Hopefully the new manager will be at the Euros talent spotting
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I'm still finding all this rather exciting!
I am finding it amusing people's reactions are great
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has any of our past managers EVER signed ANYONE from the Euros....................anyone whose any good that is !
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The German sports writer really sold the idea of appointing Rangnick. Said he likes to play very offensive football and creates quite entertaining teams to watch. Also said he is very focused on coaching individuals to make them into better players and likes individual players to express themselves as much as they can (ever man to themselves).
Below is an interview with Ralf Rangnick in English I found on the BBC in the lead up to the Champions League semi final with Man Utd.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/13193669
Puts any worries about his English to bed.
Also a good piece on Schalke too and the relationship between fans and club with some more about Rangnick.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/13193665
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has any of our past managers EVER signed ANYONE from the Euros....................anyone whose any good that is !
I'm still waiting for us to sign Turkeys Umit Davala after his amazing World Cup 2002. I thought he would be a great signing for our début in the Premier League! ;D
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Thanks for the link Critical Baggie
His English is very good & he comes across well to so players would have no problem understanding him in training
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has any of our past managers EVER signed ANYONE from the Euros....................anyone whose any good that is !
I think the last player we signed who played in the last major international tournament was Pascal Zuberbuhler who had a 'special' world cup in which he became the only goalkeeper in the tournament's history to play in all his team's matches and not concede a goal in regular play (Switzerland went out on penalties). Switzerland must have been up against some very bad strikers.
I'm still finding all this rather exciting!
Me too, it's very interesting with there being constant twists and turns. Usually this time of year there'd be nothing Albion related going on, so at least we have something to talk about.
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Just been looking up Gelsenkirchen where Schalke are based looks very similar to the Black Country to be honest.
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So, would people prefer Rangnick or AVB? If this AVB link is even true!
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So we could be following the trend of the new manager season.
Lambert last game versus Villa - joins Villa
Rodgers last game versus Liverpool - joins Liverpool
AVB last game versus WBA - ?
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So we could be following the trend of the new manager season.
Lambert last game versus Villa - joins Villa
Rodgers last game versus Liverpool - joins Liverpool
AVB last game versus WBA - ?
If it's not AVB it will be Mick McCarthy though :-X
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There is absolutely zero chance of AVB being our manager next season. Feel free to quote me on that. It just wouldn't happen.
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So, would people prefer Rangnick or AVB? If this AVB link is even true!
Rangnick for me.
The more I find out about him the more convinced I am that he fits the role we are looking to fill.
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There is absolutely zero chance of AVB being our manager next season. Feel free to quote me on that. It just wouldn't happen.
He was nailed on to be Roma coach but zemen just named as their head coach so you never know....
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Just been looking up Gelsenkirchen where Schalke are based looks very similar to the Black Country to be honest.
Correct he will feel right at home.We have more canals though
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I think the last player we signed who played in the last major international tournament was Pascal Zuberbuhler who had a 'special' world cup in which he became the only goalkeeper in the tournament's history to play in all his team's matches and not concede a goal in regular play (Switzerland went out on penalties). Switzerland must have been up against some very bad strikers.
Me too, it's very interesting with there being constant twists and turns. Usually this time of year there'd be nothing Albion related going on, so at least we have something to talk about.
I did say "ANYONE WHO WAS ANY GOOD" mate ! ::)
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He was nailed on to be Roma coach but zemen just named as their head coach so you never know....
Seems you have to be a heavy smoker to become Roma manager.
I'm 99% sure it won't be AVB, just can't see it happening, beyond us in my opinion. Unless JP holds him at gunpoint with contract and pen.
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Why wouldnt AVB want to come to a team that on its day can beat the current European Champions !! :P :P
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Just been looking up Gelsenkirchen where Schalke are based looks very similar to the Black Country to be honest.
Have they got a tipton? ;D
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WE WANT RANGNICK
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Norwich rejecting Lambert's resignation is the latest twist in the managerial merry go-round. Could force Villa to look elsewhere.
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Norwich rejecting Lambert's resignation is the latest twist in the managerial merry go-round. Could force Villa to look elsewhere.
Will just force them to pay compensation. They are suckers and will pay it. They love paying compensation for rubbish managers.
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Ottmar Hitzfeld?
Currently coaching the Swiss national team...weird eh???
Great experience.
Tactically flawless.
Cool under the Cosh.
Been there seen it, and done it.
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Norwich rejecting Lambert's resignation is the latest twist in the managerial merry go-round. Could force Villa to look elsewhere.
Love it!! In what other industry does someone walk in and says I am resigning and the employer says no you can't? All that it means is that villa will have to pay Norwich for breach of contract i.e 12 months pay. Lambert is off to Villa so they will not be sticking their noses into any deal we may have lined up.
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Some german reporter who was just on sky sports news said rangnick played very defensive??? I thought he was the german arsene wenger??
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Still no decision! Getting slightly fed up...
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Some people really are impatient. Maybe people would be happier if the club just made Steve Bruce Head Coach the second Hodgson was announced as England manager, rather than doing something ridiculous like taking the time to identify the best and most suitable man for the job.
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Still no decision! Getting slightly fed up...
Why don't you send a text to Rangnick and tell him to make his mind up already.... Some things are out of the club's hands you know.
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I have a feeling i my waters that it will be a surprise and somebody from left field.
I appreciate that is not much good. Sorry
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I have a feeling i my waters that it will be a surprise and somebody from left field.
I appreciate that is not much good. Sorry
I dont know anything, but i got a feeling were in for another twist.
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Whoever it is, we need to be behind them 100%, and throw all our support at the new manager and the team, fill the stadium and cheer on the mighty Baggies.
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Im pretty open minded to most names but please not Mike Phelan,im still not over his performances for us as a player.
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Simon Cox just said he's never heard of Ralph, fair enough but he hadn't heard of Schalke either!
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Simon Cox just said he's never heard of Ralph, fair enough but he hadn't heard of Schalke either!
With any luck he won't be here next season anyway.
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I am starting to get a bad feeling about this. The way it's dragging on I think it's clear things ain't going well trying to get someone in. I fear Appleton will be of boss and frankly I dread to think of the reaction
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The club are clearly taking their time for a reason,I for one would be the first to moan if they made a knee jerk reaction in appointing someone.....If us fans realise its one of the most important appointments for years then im damn sure those that run the club think the same....Have faith!!!
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Simon Cox just said he's never heard of Ralph, fair enough but he hadn't heard of Schalke either!
Unfortunately he didn't come across as the sharpest tool in the box !
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I am starting to get a bad feeling about this. The way it's dragging on I think it's clear things ain't going well trying to get someone in. I fear Appleton will be of boss and frankly I dread to think of the reaction
thanks for killing my mood. :(
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Some people really are impatient. Maybe people would be happier if the club just made Steve Bruce Head Coach the second Hodgson was announced as England manager, rather than doing something ridiculous like taking the time to identify the best and most suitable man for the job.
Let's wait and see who is actually our manager before we say that he's the best and most suitable man for the job.
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I doubt it is only in the club's hands. The people we are interested in and want for the job might well have other offers, and also probably need some personal time to consider offers etc before they make decisions that affect their lifes for possibly years to come.
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Whoever it is, we need to be behind them 100%, and throw all our support at the new manager and the team, fill the stadium and cheer on the mighty Baggies.
...or we could use the` Big Club´ mentality, and hound the b*gger out. Think big...THINK BIG!!! ;D
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This is bloody brilliant. Her Majesty's government should make JP head of MI5 and DA head of MI6 - these guys surely know about covert ops and need to know! Holding talks now with Paul the alien in area 51. Viva the baggies!
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Let's wait and see who is actually our manager before we say that he's the best and most suitable man for the job.
He might not be, but thanks to the club actually taking their time to TRY and get the best man available, there's more chance he will be than there would be if the club just knee-jerked went and got anybody.
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I am starting to get a bad feeling about this. The way it's dragging on I think it's clear things ain't going well trying to get someone in. I fear Appleton will be of boss and frankly I dread to think of the reaction
No news isn't always bad news
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Some people really are impatient. Maybe people would be happier if the club just made Steve Bruce Head Coach the second Hodgson was announced as England manager, rather than doing something ridiculous like taking the time to identify the best and most suitable man for the job.
There's been more than enough time to have sorted this out now. Things are proceeding at a snail's pace. It's mind-boggling that people are talking about the danger of us making a knee-jerk appointment 30 days after Hodgson was appointed England manager, especially considering our supposedly much-vaunted database. Aren't we supposed to be keeping tabs on managers all the time for when the need arises? On that basis, we ought to have known who was on our shortlist from Day 1.
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They were just talking about the 'manger merry go round' on talksport, the clubs mentioned: Swansea, Norwich, Chelsea, Aston Villa and Liverpool. Has our search for a manger gone on so long that a national radio station has forgotten about us or maybe it's just talksport being talkshit?
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They don't know anything, as in there are no stories or gossip coming out of the club and therfore nothing to talk about. so we get overlooked.
Can I ask what is the record amount of pages for a thread? as its been mentioned a few times
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They don't know anything, as in there are no stories or gossip coming out of the club and therfore nothing to talk about. so we get overlooked.
Can I ask what is the record amount of pages for a thread? as its been mentioned a few times
probably scott carson :D
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http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/kickoff/120531/tony-woodcock-ralf-rangnick-podolski-and-kagawa-173425
Tony Woodcock seems to think Roy may well have put Rangnick's name forward.
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They don't know anything, as in there are no stories or gossip coming out of the club and therfore nothing to talk about. so we get overlooked.
Can I ask what is the record amount of pages for a thread? as its been mentioned a few times
If you discount the General Transfer Thread where any old rubbish gets chucked (131 pages) and the dingle-watch thread which again any old rubbish to discuss the tat from down the road then this thread is next on the list and is the most for one item. I think it could actually overtake both of those if no decision is made by the club in the next couple of days
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Im pretty open minded to most names but please not Mike Phelan,im still not over his performances for us as a player.
Did he ever perform as a player for us because all i saw when he got on the pitch was a passenger
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I have reset all votes to 0 and narrowed it down to 5 names. Different names will be added at request.
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Interesting to see people still want Hughton after the names mentioned.
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Interesting to see people still want Hughton after the names mentioned.
2 votes per Member..... he just getting peoples 2nd vote ;)
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2 votes per Member..... he just getting peoples 2nd vote ;)
Sos I couldn't set it back to 1 vote- i'll try again.
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Some people really are impatient. Maybe people would be happier if the club just made Steve Bruce Head Coach the second Hodgson was announced as England manager, rather than doing something ridiculous like taking the time to identify the best and most suitable man for the job.
Dan was giving it the big'en saying that we are always scouting next potential head coaches,he openly admitted that we are always shortlisting. Once the England job became available he would have upped the search just incase Roy was offered the job. There is no need for the search to take this long when really upon Roy's departure we should already have a pretty good idea who we want to take the reins. No real case for defending him IMO.
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Interesting to see people still want Hughton after the names mentioned.
It isnt who you want, it's who you think it will end up being. Or have I read it wrong...?
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It isnt who you want, it's who you think it will end up being. Or have I read it wrong...?
That's the beauty of it...
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Who voted for Appy- do you want him or do you think he will end up as our manager?
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I expect AVB and Rangnick to walk away with the poll as they're the top two candidates on there.
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I have reset all votes to 0 and narrowed it down to 5 names. Different names will be added at request.
It says who will be the next West Brom Manager - you can vote twice.
Firstly, its a Head Coach position not Manager and secondly its asking a direct question which requires one answer but you can answer twice? ???
Oh well, I'll go with it, I picked AVB and RR.
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I expect AVB and Rangnick to walk away with the poll as they're the top two candidates on there.
Yeah but Hughton or Appy could still get the job- not forgetting Wilkins...
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I expect AVB and Rangnick to walk away with the poll as they're the top two candidates on there.
Remember the question is who you think 'will be next manager' not 'who you want'.
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Who voted for Appy- do you want him or do you think he will end up as our manager?
He was my second option. It appears we've spoken with Rangnick so you could class him as first choice. If we were truly interested in AVB, a man of his standing would of been spoken to at the very first second the position became available. If we can't get Rangnick then it would be a lockdown between Hughton and Appleton in my opinion. With Hughton appearing to be an expensive option, that left me with Appleton.
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Don't see the point in voting for AVB because he is out of our league in my opinion. Therefore, I will opt for Rangnick and Hughton as my two candidates.
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Just been looking up Gelsenkirchen where Schalke are based looks very similar to the Black Country to be honest.
The similarities between West Brom and Gelsenkirchen are many. The Ruhr District stretches for miles and is coal and steel. In both areas football and beer are the main passions. Both clubs play in blue and white. And the main rivals Wolverhampton and Dortmund both play in black and yellow/gold.
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AVB and RR for me. People saying AVB out our league, I agree, but still had solid info it will be him.
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It says who will be the next West Brom Manager - you can vote twice.
Firstly, its a Head Coach position not Manager and secondly its asking a direct question which requires one answer but you can answer twice? ???
Oh well, I'll go with it, I picked AVB and RR.
I know it's confusing but I started this topic ages ago- I can't do anything about the 2 votes because it doesn't allow you to reset it but thank for voting.
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I know it's confusing but I started this topic ages ago- I can't do anything about the 2 votes because it doesn't allow you to reset it but thank for voting.
You can edit the question though ;)
HEAD COACH cough cough.
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:D Meh my fingers are too tired- I'm going to sleep now.
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AVB and RR for me. People saying AVB out our league, I agree, but still had solid info it will be him.
When you said you had information about AVB, did you mean appointed/ or available from June 1st?
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The similarities between West Brom and Gelsenkirchen are many. The Ruhr District stretches for miles and is coal and steel. In both areas football and beer are the main passions. Both clubs play in blue and white. And the main rivals Wolverhampton and Dortmund both play in black and yellow/gold.
All good but you arn't really expecting Rangnick to shove his stuff in a plastic carrier and toddle off down the Birmingham Rd to his nice tidy 2 bed semi in Smethwick are you. No im pretty sure JP and DA gave him a nice Merc assisted ride tour of Roman Rd or Lady Byron lane whilst his missus pops into Touchwood
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When you said you had information about AVB, did you mean appointed/ or available from June 1st?
got told it will be AVB. but can't be announced til June the 1st.
I have no reason to doubt the source, but I agree with other posters on here about him being out our league, I still think it will be ralf. But AVB has been mentioned a lot in the last 24 hours.
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is it DJ emmlee?! I like his little comeback cameo got us all riled up and then buggered off. I interpreted his posts as he was proving a point at how easy it was to manipulate the bookies odds and not that he had any inside info on AVB, i may have read it wrong though....
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got told it will be AVB. but can't be announced til June the 1st.
I have no reason to doubt the source, but I agree with other posters on here about him being out our league, I still think it will be ralf. But AVB has been mentioned a lot in the last 24 hours.
Mainly on here and fuelled by mainly your posts ;) You have single handedly got the bookies turtling! ;D
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I think although we all want to know who it will be and its exciting, tense, etc we cant criticise the club as it stands for taking their time, there are no players to work with until Jul. Although it will be good for planning if they were on board now, the manager will no doubt have an idea type of players who we wants, i imagine we will have some sort of representation at the Euros scout wise and at any other tournaments taking place.
If we say had the top 3 of 1)AVB, 2)Rangnick, 3) Hughton (just an example) if we spoke to AVB he says he is interested but weighing up his options and will let us know in a couple of weeks, we put in contact with Rangnick and Hughton similar things, there would be no point us appointing Hughton two weeks ago when our top choice AVB for example becames available and wants the job tomorrow, there is no training, matches, etc so i think we can afford to wait for the right man if thats we are doing.
If it comes out AVB and Rangnick both were say by the phone waiting for the call to say they had the job and we then unveil Carlton Palmer then we can have a moan but at the moment i would hope we are waiting for the best man for the job rather than rush into one further down our hit list.
Saying that it will be great when its finally announced, still think it will be Appleton.
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I think although we all want to know who it will be and its exciting, tense, etc we cant criticise the club as it stands for taking their time, there are no players to work with until Jul. Although it will be good for planning if they were on board now, the manager will no doubt have an idea type of players who we wants, i imagine we will have some sort of representation at the Euros scout wise and at any other tournaments taking place.
If we say had the top 3 of 1)AVB, 2)Rangnick, 3) Hughton (just an example) if we spoke to AVB he says he is interested but weighing up his options and will let us know in a couple of weeks, we put in contact with Rangnick and Hughton similar things, there would be no point us appointing Hughton two weeks ago when our top choice AVB for example becames available and wants the job tomorrow, there is no training, matches, etc so i think we can afford to wait for the right man if thats we are doing.
If it comes out AVB and Rangnick both were say by the phone waiting for the call to say they had the job and we then unveil Carlton Palmer then we can have a moan but at the moment i would hope we are waiting for the best man for the job rather than rush into one further down our hit list.
Saying that it will be great when its finally announced, still think it will be Appleton.
Carlton Palmer why has no one suggested him before. He was great on come dine with me so the players would be well fed
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if its Appleton after all this time and all this "due f***** dilligence" i will be more inebriated off at this club than when Alan Buckley became manager, a serious chance to progress thrown into the world of the unknown. Lets see how he does with a fresh start in League one first. I'm a very optimistic fan, some folk may call me a "happy clapper" but i would lose that positive nature if he's appointed. However, when it came to kick off mid august i'd back him 100% till he proves me not to....
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Mainly on here and fuelled by mainly your posts ;) You have single handedly got the bookies turtling! ;D
Go me! I did put a bet on him earlier :)
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is it DJ emmlee?! I like his little comeback cameo got us all riled up and then buggered off. I interpreted his posts as he was proving a point at how easy it was to manipulate the bookies odds and not that he had any inside info on AVB, i may have read it wrong though....
Him as well as another I can't mention.
Like I say, never normally wrong, but won't believe until I see it announced on OS.
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All good but you arn't really expecting Rangnick to shove his stuff in a plastic carrier and toddle off down the Birmingham Rd to his nice tidy 2 bed semi in Smethwick are you. No im pretty sure JP and DA gave him a nice Merc assisted ride tour of Roman Rd or Lady Byron lane whilst his missus pops into Touchwood
No, that wasn't my point. I'm just saying that the environment around Schalke i.e. the Ruhr District reminds me alot of the Black Country, and that the Schalke Dortmund rivalry reminds me alot of the WBA Wolves rivalry.
I'm not saying that will matter alot to Rangnick, but he will be familiar with passionate football supporters.
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If it really is going to be announced on June 1st, then I find it very unlikely that it will be Appleton because Portsmouth have already told us they will be hostile to any attempt to get him and they would definitely want compensation. I think there would have been more in the media for this reason.
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If it really is going to be announced on June 1st, then I find it very unlikely that it will be Appleton because Portsmouth have already told us they will be hostile to any attempt to get him and they would definitely want compensation. I think there would have been more in the media for this reason.
It's 100% definately not Appleton.
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If it really is going to be announced on June 1st,
sorry but where did the 1st come from, I thought the club said BEFORE the end of Month not IN the next month.
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sorry but where did the 1st come from, I thought the club said BEFORE the end of Month not IN the next month.
Well considering its the last day of the month today, it won't be announced in this month. From past experience we usually do our announcements on a Thursday, and tommorow seems to be no different.
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Well considering its the last day of the month today, it won't be announced in this month. From past experience we usually do our announcements on a Thursday, and tommorow seems to be no different.
is that actually true?!
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is that actually true?!
What? About announcements on a Thursday, as far as I can remember I think it is yes, anyone know if this is?
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What? About announcements on a Thursday, as far as I can remember I think it is yes, anyone know if this is?
Yeah that basically
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What? About announcements on a Thursday, as far as I can remember I think it is yes, anyone know if this is?
That would be all well and good, if tomorrow was Thursday ;D
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That would be all well and good, if tomorrow was Thursday ;D
I've just realised that, don't know where my days are going!
I still expect the presser tommorow :)
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i don't know why but I have got this feeling it will be appleton, hence my vote
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watched that little interview on bbc with Rangnick.......must say very good first impressions. also went on about schalke.....what a beautiful stadium 65000 very impressive and they have 95000 sporting club members!......something for us to aspire to id say
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Right, I'm off for the night! Let's hoping tomorrow lives up to its big hype so far! Got a very good feeling it will. COYB!
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watched that little interview on bbc with Rangnick.......must say very good first impressions. also went on about schalke.....what a beautiful stadium 65000 very impressive and they have 95000 sporting club members!......something for us to aspire to id say
Do you have a link?
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I've just been on some German websites and the more I read about Rangnick, the more I like. My main worry is that Albion are certainly not the only club interested in him. He has already turned down Anderlecht and Beskitas, both regulars in Europa/Champions league. Hertha Berlin are very keen on him. And he has been linked with Cologne and Bayer Leverkusen. The big positive is that he is very keen on working in England. There again, the longer this drags on, the more chance is that some other Prem. clubs start sniffing around.
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I hope and think it'll be Rangnick. It would be an exciting summer, seeing how he and Ashworth shape the squad.
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Do you have a link?
His English is better than mine. They,ll never understand him in Gornal. The link is earlier on the thread go back a few pages :)
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That would be all well and good, if tomorrow was Thursday ;D
i was thinking today was wednesday too so thats about as significant as an insignificant thing
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What I don't understand is that we've seemlessly looked acrosss the entire globe and looked at managers like Gus Poyet (who I really don't rate) when we haven't looked at Owen Coyle. His contract at Bolton runs out on June 30th and I have always admired his abilities at finding great players and general man-management skills especially. There is no question about whether he would want to come to us, is there?
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What I don't understand is that we've seemlessly looked acrosss the entire globe and looked at managers like Gus Poyet (who I really don't rate) when we haven't looked at Owen Coyle. His contract at Bolton runs out on June 30th and I have always admired his abilities at finding great players and general man-management skills especially. There is no question about whether he would want to come to us, is there?
As far as i know we haven't told anyone who we have looked at and who we haven't looked at. How do you know?
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http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/kickoff/120531/tony-woodcock-ralf-rangnick-podolski-and-kagawa-173425
Tony Woodcock seems to think Roy may well have put Rangnick's name forward.
Imagine Roy saying Ralf Ragnick. :D
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Imagine Roy saying Ralf Ragnick. :D
He rolls his R's these days so it would sound pretty damn cool
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Imagine Roy saying Ralf Ragnick. :D
Great post! ;D
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Limb, on, a, out (make a sentence using these words)
Using all my intellectual insight, reading approx 98% of the posts on this thread (over what seems like a lifetime), trusting my hunches, checking all media speculation & generally having a damn good guess, I have come to this conclusion.
RR was a guest of WBA at our last home game, I believe he was offered the job after that game following great work from DA, he probably asked for some time to think about it but came back quickly & agreed to be the new Baggies boss.
The club was sold to him (not literally) by JP, DA & the board on the merits of a solid project needing to be taken forward to the next level, he could not have failed to be impressed by the overwhelming support by the fans for the outgoing manager & that in my mind was the clincher.
Forgive my Romanticism & I'm not being conceited but a job like manager/head coach of West Brom is one that some folk can only dream of.
Ralf Rangnick WILL be our new manager - probably named tomorrow ;)
(you heard it here 263rd)
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Limb, on, a, out (make a sentence using these words)
Using all my intellectual insight, reading approx 98% of the posts on this thread (over what seems like a lifetime), trusting my hunches, checking all media speculation & generally having a damn good guess, I have come to this conclusion.
RR was a guest of WBA at our last home game, I believe he was offered the job after that game following great work from DA, he probably asked for some time to think about it but came back quickly & agreed to be the new Baggies boss.
The club was sold to him (not literally) by JP, DA & the board on the merits of a solid project needing to be taken forward to the next level, he could not have failed to be impressed by the overwhelming support by the fans for the outgoing manager & that in my mind was the clincher.
Forgive my Romanticism & I'm not being conceited but a job like manager/head coach of West Brom is one that some folk can only dream of.
Ralf Rangnick WILL be our new manager - probably named tomorrow ;)
(you heard it here 263rd)
You could be correct and what may have delayed it couldve been Liverpool and Villa losing their managers as everybody needs to find the best, most high paying jobs for themselves...
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I'm hearing Norwich will go after Hughton when Lambert goes.
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My last word on AVB if he is to be our Head Coach well done to all concerned because it is the best kept secret ever. No fleet street journalist or any of locals have even picked up any hint that this is on the cards. Lets see what the morning brings. ;D
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I don't think I've commented yet and I'm not ITK, so this isn't worth much, but two items strike me as interesting.
1) While it would be nice to have the head coach is as soon as possible it's not really needed as the head coach isn't pivotal in signing players under our system and indeed almost everyone in football is currently on their holidays (inc all our players) and will be for a few weeks, so there's no rush at all in that respect.
2) Very well done and alot of respect to the top brass at Albion for keeping this all under wraps. Assuming (granted it's a moderate sized assumption) we get RR, AVB or an impressive 3rd party, then we've gone about things in a professional manner and have aimed HIGH with our appointments.
When certain members snipe and play games saying it'll be Appleton (despite my respect for him) it's obviously just not true, unless they believe some mass conspiracy is going on and we're wasting the time of top coaches throughout Europe for the fun of it.
We've gone about our business the right way and we deserve to get a good result from our work. For fans it's frustrating, especially with the negative types and idle gossip mongers, but no one can doubt Albion have done brilliantly in the last 2 seasons and we've zero reason to believe the ride is over!
...... Oh, and 1 more thing. Is that press conference actually booked for Friday or was that another rumour?
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My personal scale of happy to unhappy...
Happy with:
Rangnick
AVB
Ish:
Hughton
Unhappy:
Phelan
Appleton
Done by phone for first time so apologies in advance if structured badly! Literally causing me a lack of sleep thinking the Head Coach position through!
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What I don't understand is that we've seemlessly looked acrosss the entire globe and looked at managers like Gus Poyet (who I really don't rate) when we haven't looked at Owen Coyle. His contract at Bolton runs out on June 30th and I have always admired his abilities at finding great players and general man-management skills especially. There is no question about whether he would want to come to us, is there?
Are you his agent or his Dad?
He's just taken Bolton down FFS
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Rumours continue to link us with AV-B, but the seven months he spent in England cost Chelsea an incredible £32 million! I doubt we would offer a contract much more than £2m a year so are these rumours just 'pie in the sky' and wishful thinking on the part of some of our fans? This is the report in the Daily Mail.
Andre Villas-Boas has been paid a staggering £12million in compensation for being fired by Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich.
The Stamford Bridge club confirmed the Portuguese coach, who lasted just seven months, has now settled his claim with them, after being sacked in March.
No wonder he's smiling!
Villas-Boas is free to work again after Abramovich agreed to the settlement terms and he is expected to take charge at Roma during the summer.
Abramovich’s hire-and-fire approach has now cost the Champions League winners £76m in five years on management and coaching staff.
The figure of £64m, detailed in Chelsea’s latest accounts, took the pay-offs of Jose Mourinho, Avram Grant, Luiz Felipe Scolari and Carlo Ancelotti into consideration.
Chelsea also had to fork out a £10m ‘transfer fee’ when they hired Villas-Boas after he won the treble in his first season with Porto.
It means the total bill for Villas-Boas, including his £125,000-a-week salary, stands at £32m for just seven months’ work.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2152902/Andre-Villas-Boas-pockets-12m-early-Chelsea-exit-Roman-Abramovichs-spending-spirals.html#ixzz1wVgdBxkg
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If i were a gambling man then i would go for Rangnick.
Hughton would be my choice though.We need stability,a manager who would last more than one season and has prem experience.
Hughton ticks those boxes.
If not either of them then Butch Wilkins i would accept.
AVB isn't going to happen and the names w are interviewing means we are going for an experienced coach which rules out Appy.
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I still think its CH 8)
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DudleyBaggieFan, any truth in the new name in the frame - Eidur Gudjohnsson?
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DudleyBaggieFan, any truth in the new name in the frame - Eidur Gudjohnsson?
He has never coached has he, so it sounds highly unlikely. My extensive researches have uncovered little but if appointed he won't be late for training
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2838478/Landlady-reveals-how-Eidur-Gudjohnsen-romped-with-Vanessa-Perroncel.html
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Odds this morning at 7am- Ralf Rangnick-8/11|Chris Hughton- 9/4|Andre Villas-Boas- 8/1!
June 1st
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Will today be the day we finally get our New Head Coach ?
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Will today be the day we finally get our New Head Coach ?
Maybe,Just Maybe...
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He has never coached has he, so it sounds highly unlikely. My extensive researches have uncovered little but if appointed he won't be late for training
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2838478/Landlady-reveals-how-Eidur-Gudjohnsen-romped-with-Vanessa-Perroncel.html
The Eidur Gudjohnsen reference is a bit of an in joke on this sight about someone who said he was coming and it didn't happen. It turns up every transfer window.
For my money, I'd be very happy with Ralph, happy but with concerns with AVB and have a feeling today's the day.
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Odds this morning at 7am- Ralf Rangnick-8/11|Chris Hughton- 9/4|Andre Villas-Boas- 8/1!
June 1st
16/1 being offered for AvB on betfair and nobody is taking it.
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The Eidur Gudjohnsen reference is a bit of an in joke on this sight about someone who said he was coming and it didn't happen. It turns up every transfer window.
For my money, I'd be very happy with Ralph, happy but with concerns with AVB and have a feeling today's the day.
Gotcha. Did Vanessa Perroncel start this rumour about him coming?
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I love this forum I really do, but Im not going to bother reading this topic anymore. My reason behind it is every page scince about 103 are the same. Let's just wait and see what happens. I know it's frustrating but will have a new manager sooner rather than later. We all want the same for our beloved club and whoever the manager is we shall give our entire support.
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Can we not have any more sniping at other members and in jokes about a certain Icelandic Footballer. I resisted the temptation yesterday so I expect others to do the same
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I think JP knows the man he wants and knows he can get him at anytime but being JP is saving on wages. :o
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I love this forum I really do, but Im not going to bother reading this topic anymore. My reason behind it is every page scince about 103 are the same. Let's just wait and see what happens. I know it's frustrating but will have a new manager sooner rather than later. We all want the same for our beloved club and whoever the manager is we shall give our entire support.
Franko people have to have somewhere to let off steam and this is the place they do it. Obviously there isnt going to be much variation until someone is appointed.......then there wont be much variation........see my meaning?
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Its all very secretive at the Albion. All i hear about on the radio is other clubs but ours that need a manager and names mentioned
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Can we not have any more sniping at other members and in jokes about a certain Icelandic Footballer. I resisted the temptation yesterday so I expect others to do the same
This forum appears to be very civilised and one that I am pleased be here to listen to views and contribute. As a newcomer I don't feel the slightest bit intimidated by sniping. I trust that you will let me know directly if anything I have said is considered to be sniping.
As for "in jokes", I don't fully understand what the joke is and somebody kindly partially explained it but is a bit harsh to try to stop people having their fun is it not?
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Can we not have any more sniping at other members and in jokes about a certain Icelandic Footballer. I resisted the temptation yesterday so I expect others to do the same
Oh No No NO!
A transfer window without reference to Eidur Gudjonsen is like xmas without a tree, Easter without an egg or New Years Eve without getting drunk!
It is a tradition, part of the British way of life!
He expects it and I think he secretly likes it!
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That's how I saw it too Alex. I was explaining not sniping.
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You see I'm just confused now :-[
Are we talking about Gudjohnsen for the head coach or coming as a player? :o
Anyway! Ralf Rangnick ;)
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That's how I saw it too Alex. I was explaining not sniping.
I am not sure who it was aimed at tbh. Your explanation was most helpful should it have been that.
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What's the most we've ever paid another club compo to get their manager? Did we pay Hibs any for Mowbray?
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Think we had to pay a small amount for Mowbs and Venus.
I said from the first couple of weeks after we were 'looking' that i had a feeling Hughton wasnt the man we wanted.
Personally, I think its Ragnicks job to take now, with the whole being at the Arsenal game etc etc.
The AVB situation and the little cameo role from DJ Emjee yesterday sent this board into overdrive, which was quite amusing to watch..
If nothing is announced today can see it being till wednesday, not sure some people on here can cope that long in all honesty. ;D
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I feel its another 5 days of not knowing.Enjoy your holiday folks.Dont let this spoil your few days off :D
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I feel its another 5 days of not knowing.Enjoy your holiday folks.Dont let this spoil your few days off :D
Holiday?! Not all of us ill be cheffing all weekend whilst Cornwall gets invaded!
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Holiday?! Not all of us ill be cheffing all weekend whilst Cornwall gets invaded!
Have they had run to the sun yet?
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Have they had run to the sun yet?
This weekend
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This weekend
I am surprised (but delighted) that no one is toughting Rafa Benitez. He's obviously not wanted back at Liverpool and would probably want to still work in the Premiership.
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I am surprised (but delighted) that no one is toughting Rafa Benitez. He's obviously not wanted back at Liverpool and would probably want to still work in the Premiership.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him being the shock rabbit out of the hat that JP and DA are good at pulling. Think about it - a Champions League winner, free agent, under the radar, keen to work in England again. Always very hard to go back to Liverpool but compared to the latest Dalglish era his record before he was sacked wasn't so bad after all, and it was while the club was in financial turmoil.
Hmm......
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If we had any chance of Rafa, im sure Villa would have spoke to him also.
Villa are a more attractive club than us whether we like it or not.
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If we had any chance of Rafa, im sure Villa would have spoke to him also.
Villa are a more attractive club than us whether we like it or not.
I think we all know the Vile are more attractive and probably always will be unless we win the European Cup
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The Longer this goes on the more i will accept Appleton and Downing ::)
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i really hope i return from work later to news of a new manager....cant take the suspense!
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Benitez turned the Villa down last year saying they hadn't got enough in the transfer kitty. Don't think this will have changed.
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starting to think that brian dick guy cant get anywhere near the club, not even as close as lepkowski
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i really hope i return from work later to news of a new manager....cant take the suspense!
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that an announcement will happen today.Like i say it will be next week earliest
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Page 126 of the West Bromwich Albion head coach hunt.
Some members of Westbrom.com forum have decided that the anticipation of an announcement is too much to handle and have taken to eating their own arm.
It’s been days since any real information regarding the new head coach and as a result we have seen an increase in silly, none necessary posts and drivel.
OldburyWBA has gone into hiding as he has developed a nervous twitch from continuingly pressing the post delete button. Rumours that he has been seen sitting naked somewhere in a field rocking back and fourth repeating the word ‘delete’ over and over have been described by a local journalist as ‘wide of the mark’.
As an act of desperation DJ Emjee was called in, in an attempt to defuse the situation, however this backfired massively when half the population of West Bromwich called into their local bookies to place bets on the imminent signing of AVB.
Standman tried to calm the situation further by not talking about Eidur Gudjonsen however this seemed to anger a few of the members who actually like to see his name at least once a year on the forum.
Finally, WBAinDevon tried to reassure everybody by claiming this won’t happen until next week at the earliest, sadly, a lot of member are still expecting a 2pm press conference.
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Well, looks like AVB is out of the running and Ralph appears to be dragging his heels.
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/06/01/west-brom-andre-villas-boas-rumours-are-wide-of-the-mark-97319-31091837/
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haha, quality. i need to stop posting opinions and my own drivel
That is a poorly written piece of journalism there, i dont expect he knows anymore than us and when he knows, we'll know.
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haha, quality. i need to stop posting opinions and my own drivel
It's only a joke mate, nowt personal to anyone.
I have enjoyed this thread to be honest.
Looks like it is going to be at least next week before we hear anything. Shame really, but as long as we get the right man I will be ok with it.
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It's only a joke mate, nowt personal to anyone.
I have enjoyed this thread to be honest.
Looks like it is going to be at least next week before we hear anything. Shame really, but as long as we get the right man I will be ok with it.
oh yeah i didnt take it personal, i just know when i got home yesterday and there was 10 new pages i thought 'something mustve happened' and it wasnt really anything just us lot going insane! im thankful i have a busy 4days ahead or this would be a nightmare!
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Things changing yet again. AVB a no and ralf looking unlikely by the day.
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Things changing yet again. AVB a no and ralf looking unlikely by the day.
lol At this rate it'll be Hughton.
We're turning into Wolves! ;D
I'm still confident we'll pull something out of the hat. Fingers crossed.
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I'm still confident we'll pull something out of the hat. Fingers crossed.
That is my hope. Wouldn't it just be Albion if the Head Coach was announcecd as someone, who as of yet, has not been discussed in the press or on the messageboards.
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lol At this rate it'll be Hughton.
We're turning into Wolves! ;D
I'm still confident we'll pull something out of the hat. Fingers crossed.
Just been told that ralf is still in the frame, but he is majorly dragging his heels. Oh and now I've been told the 2pm presser isn't happening, here's to waiting another day I guess.
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Over 4 weeks now, what a joke! If I did the at work, I'd be up to me neck in it! Ashworth looks stupid now when he said he already had a list of potential targets, if he did it wouldn't of took this long. We need to hurry as qpr have put a 5 million offer in for foster. I believe if we don't redemn the services of foster for next season it's going to be a long season.........
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Just been told that ralf is still in the frame, but he is majorly dragging his heels. Oh and now I've been told the 2pm presser isn't happening, here's to waiting another day I guess.
I wonder why? Is he waiting for an offer from elsewhere? If so from who?
I thought the 2pm press conference was a made up joke anyway?
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Can't see anything happening personally until DA is back off holiday.
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I wonder why? Is he waiting for an offer from elsewhere? If so from who?
I thought the 2pm press conference was a made up joke anyway?
nobody knows why he is holding back. And I had it on good authority about the presser later on today, but that's changed now.
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I guessed Appleton. The club likes him, he won't cost a fortune, and unlike everyone else it seems, he doesn't think he's too good for us.
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nobody knows why he is holding back. And I had it on good authority about the presser later on today, but that's changed now.
Ahh ok. Cheers. I just assumed (wrongly) that it was an inside joke. Apologies.
Guess we just need to sit tight and hold our breath.
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Ahh ok. Cheers. I just assumed (wrongly) that it was an inside joke. Apologies.
Guess we just need to sit tight and hold our breath.
We could be for a while yet.
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Surely in this modern age it doesnt matter if DA is on holiday, iphones/pads etc. And if he is and the club cant do anything whilst he is then that is awful.
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I would of thought that too. But don't we wait on deals normally till JP gets back from holiday? So would we do the same for DA?
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I must admit i am getting frustrated now.its going to get embarrassing if we aint carefull.
We were the first club needing a manager and we knew mid April.Its looking like both Swansea and Norwich will announce before we will
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I would of thought that too. But don't we wait on deals normally till JP gets back from holiday? So would we do the same for DA?
But I can understand us waiting for JP as he is the major controller of the club.
I don't understand DA going on holiday at this time of year anyway given that a) there was a possibiliy roy was going and b) potential transfers.
So could it be that we are holding things up rather than Ralf?
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I agree Quakes, i think it will be Appleton.
He wants to prove himself, he has some managerial experience, he knows the setup, he knows the players, JP and Ashworth love him, he is a football man and by all accounts well respected as a coach which it would appear it was what we are after.
I would prefer others ahead of Appleton but certainly dont think its the disaster some people have made out if he is appointed.
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I must admit i am getting frustrated now.its going to get embarrassing if we aint carefull.
We were the first club needing a manager and we knew mid April.Its looking like both Swansea and Norwich will announce before we will
Me too, but just have to be patient, we won't end up like wolves did with TC. Just sizing up the best candidates, I think we're waiting on ralf to be fair, the ball is in his court, nothing the club can do about it.
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How long should we as a club be prepared to wait for an answer? He is obviously holding out for a better offer from a bigger club. I say give him until the end of next week, if he still hasn't signed, move on to other targets.
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How long should we as a club be prepared to wait for an answer? He is obviously holding out for a better offer from a bigger club. I say give him until the end of next week, if he still hasn't signed, move on to other targets.
I don't know whether he is to be fair, or If is he sorting out with his family and organising the move over here. Don't forget he can't just relocate as he doesn't live in England, he's got to get visas etc and get stuff shipped over once he had found somewhere here. Just a waiting game I think now.
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/06/01/west-brom-andre-villas-boas-rumours-are-wide-of-the-mark-97319-31091837/2/
Latest from Birmingham Mail AVB rumours dismissed. Looks like we are still set on Rangnick but discussions still ongoing. There must be a point where we cut to the chase here is our best offer yes or no but a few days here or there are not going to kill us.
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How long should we as a club be prepared to wait for an answer? He is obviously holding out for a better offer from a bigger club. I say give him until the end of next week, if he still hasn't signed, move on to other targets.
The thing is Norwich seem to be mentioning Hughton a lot so for me, as i've been saying the whole time, we need to push on
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Everyone thats getting worked up just calm down.
We all know DA and JP don't let us down with these decisions :D
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Everyone thats getting worked up just calm down.
We all know DA and JP don't let us down with these decisions :D
Agreed, however when you've got a fair bit of money on the market you sort of want a positive conclusion ASAP.. :-*
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/06/01/west-brom-andre-villas-boas-rumours-are-wide-of-the-mark-97319-31091837/2/
Latest from Birmingham Mail AVB rumours dismissed. Looks like we are still set on Rangnick but discussions still ongoing. There must be a point where we cut to the chase here is our best offer yes or no but a few days here or there are not going to kill us.
Can't believe people were falling for this in the first place
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Everyone thats getting worked up just calm down.
We all know DA and JP don't let us down with these decisions :D
How are Pompy reacting to possibly loosing their manager
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If we've made Rangnick an offer, is it any wonder he is taking his time? its not purely a football decision is it? He has to think about family etc, just because he is taking his time does not mean that he is holding out for other jobs. He has to be certain that West Brom is right for him and vice versa, I'd rather he took his time to make the best decision rather than rushing into the job and ending up getting sacked in 6 months time with us bottom of the league. Can't believe people are getting so worked up, the players aren't back for pre-season for another fortnight or more yet.
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How are Pompy reacting to possibly loosing their manager
Not much if any talk of it. If someone does bring it up I tell them to stop being ridiculous because it won't happen. :P
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I can't believe after all the hype yesterday, i will admit i got excited, that there is nothing in AVB!
All the ITK posters leading us on!
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/06/01/west-brom-andre-villas-boas-rumours-are-wide-of-the-mark-97319-31091837/2/
Latest from Birmingham Mail AVB rumours dismissed. Looks like we are still set on Rangnick but discussions still ongoing. There must be a point where we cut to the chase here is our best offer yes or no but a few days here or there are not going to kill us.
This is the same Birmingham Mail that said we had looked at Rangnick and decided against him dont forget....
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This is the same Birmingham Mail that said we had looked at Rangnick and decided against him dont forget....
Yes come back CL all is forgiven
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Yes come back CL all is forgiven
It was CL who ruled Rangnick out!!! :D
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It was CL who ruled Rangnick out!!! :D
Was just about to put that! I guess it shows how close the club plays its card's to its chest.
I honestly think the appointment could be anybody, I just hope we're put out of our misery soon.
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Its got CH written all over it :)
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Its got CH written all over it :)
Noooooooo hes boring.Would rather have Appy
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I just think all us lot on here would make either good journalists or good Politicians................who else could write 128 pages of inane drivel without actually saying anything worthwhile or acheiving anything..............LMFAO 8) :P :D
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Can't see anything happening personally until DA is back off holiday.
I thought Baggie79 posted the other day saying it wasn't true that Ashworth was going on holiday?
If we've faffed around for this long and things are now being held up by Albion staff holidays, it's shameful really.
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Noooooooo hes boring.Would rather have Appy
Not sure what you're inferring by saying that Hughton is boring, but Appleton is hardly Mr Personality if that's what you're referring to!
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I just think all us lot on here would make either good journalists or good Politicians................who else could write 128 pages of inane drivel without actually saying anything worthwhile or acheiving anything..............LMFAO 8) :P :D
I was just thinking exactly the same, 128 pages of pure speculation and still none of us are any the wiser!!
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I thought Baggie79 posted the other day saying it wasn't true that Ashworth was going on holiday?
If we've faffed around for this long and things are now being held up by Albion staff holidays, it's shameful really.
Did he? Wasn't aware of that.
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This is the same Birmingham Mail that said we had looked at Rangnick and decided against him dont forget....
You beat me to it! I was going to make the same point.
I have to say that for a club which claims to constantly monitor both potential managers and players, it doesn't seem to speed up the process of appointing or signing them. Perhaps their approach to this process needs reviewing.
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Steve Clarke will be available shortly it seems. He was interviewed by the baggies was he not?
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Did he? Wasn't aware of that.
I might have misunderstood what he meant. In response to:
Quote from: the rainbow turn east on May 30, 2012, 06:41:06 PM
Ralf Rangnick has been offered the Albion job and has a week to think about it as Dan Ashworth is off
on holiday tomorrow.
Baggie79 said:
"That is so untrue its amazing"
And then followed it up with:
"I was talking about him not taking the job because Ashworth has gone off on holiday"
So he may have meant that Ashworth has gone on holiday, but that it's not an obstacle to appointing Rangnick/someone. Or he might not be implying anything of the sort! Hopefully Baggie79 will clarify things himself at some point! :)
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Patience is a virtue.
I would rather it take a couple of months and get the right man, than appoint somebody immediatly who may be a mistake.
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Gotta be honest, im gettin fed up of all this now.
People have moaned in the past that we have rushed into decisions and gone for cheap options.
Others moan that this is taking too long!
The other thing is the weight of expectation. Dont get me wrong this is one of the most important appointments that the club has had to make in a number of years. But given this fact im actually happy that we're taking our time.
I know there are other teams looking for managers but i really dont think we have to worry about any of them tbh!
I have been one of the most critical and sceptical people over the last few years regarding the running of the club through JP, However......The club have happily proved me wrong. The security, strength and schrewd nature of our setup gives me faith and also confidence to just sit tight and wait.
One thing ive learned as a baggie os not to expect anything. If we expect we will be dissapointed. If we have faith in those that have done us proud then we will continue to go forward. whoever we appoint theres a chance we wont be happy such was the success and profile of Roy, so we have to be prepared to accept the boards decision.
Were getting there but understand in reality were not big enough yet to expect.
Never thought i would say this EVER! But in JP & DA We trust.
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What exactly is the rush anyway? id imagibe that not much will be going on at the club with the squad till after the euros.
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What exactly is the rush anyway? id imagibe that not much will be going on at the club with the squad till after the euros.
As we haven't appointed someone a month after we knew Hodgson was going, it can't reasonably be claimed that anything has been done in a rush, whatever happens now. Other than instances where caretakers have been put in charge close to the end of a season, I can't recall the last time a club took as long as this over appointing a new manager.
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What exactly is the rush anyway? id imagibe that not much will be going on at the club with the squad till after the euros.
could lose olsen and foster where as a good manager might help tem realise they want to stay with us
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could lose olsen and foster where as a good manager might help tem realise they want to stay with us
If they intend to stay they will know that in their own minds anyway.
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could lose olsen and foster where as a good manager might help tem realise they want to stay with us
Exactly, a name like Ralf and not Appy could make the world of difference in players decision making
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i think a lot of players like that father figue relationship with the manager
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I'd be happy with Rangnick or Hughton. Failing that, I'd go for Mowbray.
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I'd be happy with Rangnick or Hughton. Failing that, I'd go for Mowbray.
You being serious re Mowbray?
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IMO Ralf Rangnick is looking an excellent candidate, appears to have a great CV experience at securing top league status and push for europe, plus also he fits into the 'head coach' continental style we have at the albion.
be very excited by his appointment
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One thing is absolutely crystal clear, how ill informed the "local" press really are, they only know what little scraps they are fed and without any chattering players or manager meetings they are clueless. Solution by E&S/Mail ... regurgitate the same old tripe day in day out
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You being serious re Mowbray?
For sure. Cup semi and promotion with the Championship trophy during his short tenure.
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For sure. Cup semi and promotion with the Championship trophy during his short tenure.
And an utterly pathetic and needless relegation.
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For sure. Cup semi and promotion with the Championship trophy during his short tenure.
Sorry but Mowbray is really really not the answer. Did well in his time here but we have moved on significantly since Tony 'mr loyalty' Mowbray. No thanks.
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For sure. Cup semi and promotion with the Championship trophy during his short tenure.
Whats he done since?
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One thing is absolutely crystal clear, how ill informed the "local" press really are, they only know what little scraps they are fed and without any chattering players or manager meetings they are clueless. Solution by E&S/Mail ... regurgitate the same old tripe day in day out
you're so right, it has been laughable some of the articles i have read, some through newsnow prove how little these people know about our club. just one journo pinching some scraps of another journo as 99% of their readers wouldnt really know any different
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I’m sold on Rangnick being a exciting appointment.
I’ve always thought it would be Hughton, and still do.
Forget AVB, he won’t be coming to the Hawthorns.
Wilkins, Appleton? Hmmmm….Not for me.
Mowbray would be my third option. But lets hope it doesn’t come to that.
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Mowbray? Am I seriously reading suggestions of Mowbray?!
The man valued playing pretty football over staying up. I want the man nowhere near our football club. He failed to get promotion with a squad that should have walked the Championship.
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Make of this what you will as it is from BBC
1438:
With one managerial position filled, speculation moves to the other vacancies. BBC Sport's Saj Chowdhury on Twitter: "Ralf Rangnick has yet to hear anything from West Brom regarding the vacant manager's position."
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This 2 o'clock press conference to announce AVB seems a bit delayed??
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This 2 o'clock press conference to announce AVB seems a bit delayed??
It's been moved until 2 o'clock tomorrow
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We have, and always will under JP, played our cards so close to our chest that the first we will know who it is will be when he is on the Hawthorns pitch with the Albion scarf above his head in the obligatory photo shoot.
Chillax. Has JP let us down recently?
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It's been moved until 2 o'clock tomorrow
And then 2pm Wednesday if nothing happens :)
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It's been moved until 2 o'clock tomorrow
:D
JP and DA working on a Saturday? Hmmmm! :P
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This 2 o'clock press conference to announce AVB seems a bit delayed??
Was said on Another page that the AVB deal is off and the presser isn't happening.
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We have, and always will under JP, played our cards so close to our chest that the first we will know who it is will be when he is on the Hawthorns pitch with the Albion scarf above his head in the obligatory photo shoot.
Chillax. Has JP let us down recently?
No, but he is due to drop a pollock and we are overdue to make a bad appointment!
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Just heard Mick Shannon on Sky Sports news quote, "Roy Hodgson did a great job at West Ham".
We can't even get a proper mention on the national press!!
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Off? It was never on
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Off? It was never on
It was, sadly on football manager.
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Was said on Another page that the AVB deal is off and the presser isn't happening.
Hahahaha, it was never bloody on, thats what made it amusing!! 2 oclock press conference that no one told the press about ;D
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Just heard Mick Shannon on Sky Sports news quote, "Roy Hodgson did a great job at West Ham".
We can't even get a proper mention on the national press!!
Nice touch to extract revenge by spelling his name wrong. That'll teach the ass!
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I'm happy to wait if it is for the right manager.
If I'm waiting all this time for Appleton to be appointed - not sure how I'll react.
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AVB and RR odds drifting. Holloway odds shortening.
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AVB and RR odds drifting. Holloway odds shortening.
Has you know Holloway is my first choice.Yes get in :D
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Has you know Holloway is my first choice.Yes get in :D
We WILL go down
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They're just odds people.
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Has you know Holloway is my first choice.Yes get in :D
Really? You should let us know more ;) :P
It is funny how actually no one has a clue what is going on, whatever is going on WBA have done a good job of keeping it secret
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We WILL go down
If we go down we go down in style.Lets face it whilst we have a poor chairman we will always fluctuate
I aint knocking peace, he does a great job with his resources
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Lets all go and put a few quid on Holloway like we did with AVB yesterday :D
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There are only two serious candidates according to the latest offs - RR, who is favourite, and CH. The rest are 'also rans'.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager
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This thread is becoming like Channel 5 you know its going to be sh!te but you still keep flicking on to it just in case! ;D
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Can we add Ollie to the poll again please :D
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Whatever manager we get, can we get him on a very long contract please?
Not sure I can handle another managerial search in a years time ;D
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did i miss the 2 o clock press conf??
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Was said on Another page that the AVB deal is off and the presser isn't happening.
The AVB deal was never on. Whoever's telling you that was having you on, as they also were with the press conference. Who organises a press conference without telling the press, and who does that without having an appointment imminent? Someones having fun at various members expense (literally judging by the amount of people throwing money away betting on AVB yesterday).
As it is i'd be very disappointed if we didn't get Rangnick now, his pedigree blows the other likely candidates out the water. I'd be bemused if it took us over a month to end up with Hughton or Appleton. Even then there's a significant chance Norwich will use their compensation from Lambert to get Hughton.
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did i miss the 2 o clock press conf??
The conference was just to let everyone aware Holloways odds are shortening
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There are only two serious candidates according to the latest offs - RR, who is favourite, and CH. The rest are 'also rans'.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager
This just shows how stupid next manager markets are, apparently Ranieri is 484/1 to get the Albion job ;D
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Welcome to the official WestBrom.com bookies thread :D
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36 posts of a record. im tired of this a bit. i just hope the right guy gets it. i guess its not beyond the realms off possibility that it could happen on this long weekend but i guess its unlikely so more waiting for us!
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:'( we probable wont know for a while yet folks the main man is on holiday so dont hold your breath,
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Regardless of when the announcement is made, this will break the record by a mile, when the new gaffer is named this thread will go into mellllllltttttdddoooowwwwnnnn :o
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Regardless of when the announcement is made, this will break the record by a mile, when the new gaffer is named this thread will go into mellllllltttttdddoooowwwwnnnn :o
Na, everyone will go once we have a name confirmed. Well until someone spots Carew on the Hawthorns carpark.
I think it's safe to say we won't hear anything about the new man until 6th June at the earliest. :o
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Thing is if we get to many posts just talking about the number of posts in the topic and not actually discussing the topic then it will be significantly lower #deletebutton
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Lets get the record number of posts and leave it to JP and DA
Why? They've had long enough :D
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Just wish they'd issue a statement if they don't intend announcing anything until next Wednesday. At least we'd know something!
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Just wish they'd issue a statement if they don't intend announcing anything until next Wednesday. At least we'd know something!
But that would imply we've made a decision.
I think the reason we are waiting is because the club are waiting for answers from potential interested parties.
As someone as said, this Ralf guy has got to pick up his entire life and move, that's not easy for anyone regardless of the money aspect.
My personal feeling is that Ralf will turn us down and we will eventually be forced to speak to Blues. I just hope it's not too late before he's got a choice between us and Norwich/Swansea.
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I'd like to imagine that the current main two targets are Ralf Rangnick and Chris Hughton... if that is the case, I'd then expect that we would have agreed something already with Ralf, and then currently be negotiating any potential fees with Chris Hughton.
Only because, I fear Birmingham will be trying to guess our target list and will definately want Hughton if Ralf falls through. In which case, they can then start charging us more. Instead, if Ralf turns us down or something doesn't work out, we could then quickly switch the Birmingham and Hughton without them raising the price.
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My personal feeling is that Ralf will turn us down and we will eventually be forced to speak to Blues. I just hope it's not too late before he's got a choice between us and Norwich/Swansea.
i think he'd choose us over swansea and norwich (even though i dont want him to!)
any body think its worth waiting until after the euro's to see if theres any national coaches available, i know its cutting it a bit fine for the new season but i cant think of anybody out there good enough for us
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ARGGGHHHH cant take anymore >:( Been checking boards, newsfeeds, for a month now. Please for the sake of my mental health (and a good summer) can we resolve this WBA ?
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i think he'd choose us over swansea and norwich (even though i dont want him to!)
any body think its worth waiting until after the euro's to see if theres any national coaches available, i know its cutting it a bit fine for the new season but i cant think of anybody out there good enough for us
Leave sorting out all the contracts to Dan. What manager might be available then if his team fails in the Euros, dont say Hodgson
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i think he'd choose us over swansea and norwich (even though i dont want him to!)
any body think its worth waiting until after the euro's to see if theres any national coaches available, i know its cutting it a bit fine for the new season but i cant think of anybody out there good enough for us
Absolutel not!The longer a ship is rudderless the more chance of sailing out of control onto the rocks!!
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I'm begining to think that JP & DA have been captured by pirates in the Indian Ocean.
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You are right....I think I got the ones !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=errwLVgHpXY&feature=related
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my own opion is that ralphs been made an offer and will sleep on it for a few days hopefully will be named manager next week
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I'd like to imagine that the current main two targets are Ralf Rangnick and Chris Hughton... if that is the case, I'd then expect that we would have agreed something already with Ralf, and then currently be negotiating any potential fees with Chris Hughton.
Only because, I fear Birmingham will be trying to guess our target list and will definately want Hughton if Ralf falls through. In which case, they can then start charging us more. Instead, if Ralf turns us down or something doesn't work out, we could then quickly switch the Birmingham and Hughton without them raising the price.
H U G H T O N
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my own opion is that ralphs been made an offer and will sleep on it for a few days hopefully will be named manager next week
He's sleeping on it for a few days? Is he in a coma?
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I can't see Swansea going for Hughton - they like appointing managers who will carry on with the same brand of football. Thats why they went for Rodgers and why Graeme Jones seems to be their top target at the moment.
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I'm begining to think that JP & DA have been captured by pirates in the Indian Ocean.
God help the pirates in that case
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Do people really think that just because the press say 'rumours are far off the mark' and 'theres been no contact' etc that its true? Of course it isn't. As soon as Hodgson accepted the England job DA and his team would have put their feelers out. I don't for once moment believe that we haven't contacted AVB & Rangnick. Lets be honest, do you really think that Ashworth wouldn't have contacted someone like AVB who is not in a job. Come on. Just because nothing has been leaked doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Calm the f*** down people.
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Do people really think that just because the press say 'rumours are far off the mark' and 'theres been no contact' etc that its true? Of course it isn't. As soon as Hodgson accepted the England job DA and his team would have put their feelers out. I don't for once moment believe that we haven't contacted AVB & Rangnick. Lets be honest, do you really think that Ashworth wouldn't have contacted someone like AVB who is not in a job. Come on. Just because nothing has been leaked doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Calm the f*** down people.
Think thats pretty much correct mate,patience is the key on this vital appointment.
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So how did that news conference go?
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Do people really think that just because the press say 'rumours are far off the mark' and 'theres been no contact' etc that its true? Of course it isn't. As soon as Hodgson accepted the England job DA and his team would have put their feelers out. I don't for once moment believe that we haven't contacted AVB & Rangnick. Lets be honest, do you really think that Ashworth wouldn't have contacted someone like AVB who is not in a job. Come on. Just because nothing has been leaked doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Calm the f*** down people.
On the other hand, although WBA are playing their cards close to the chest, doesn't mean to say that others will. Seems strange that nothing's come out.
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I wanted to vote for A N Other but his name wasn't there >:(
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Any more posts not actually discussing the topic but just trying to get the post count up will be removed, simples.
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Any more posts not actually discussing the topic but just trying to get the post count up will be removed, simples.
Sure this is not just an excuse to get the thread count up again?.. :-X...
My personal opinion on the current all gone quiet situation is that the job has been offered to someone. Im guessing that person is indeed Mr Rangnick and he has been given time to think that over because for a foreign coach leaving his home country that is a big decision that needs to be considered with family. Not such a big issue if it where UK coach. Whilst that is in process no doubt his agent is working on some of the loose details to finalise the deal. If he accepts all good if not Im sure the club will know their next move. Tricky appointment because JP is looking for top quality at the right price as always and that takes time.
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Sure this is not just an excuse to get the thread count up again?.. :-X...
My personal opinion on the current all gone quiet situation is that the job has been offered to someone. Im guessing that person is indeed Mr Rangnick and he has been given time to think that over because for a foreign coach leaving his home country that is a big decision that needs to be considered with family. Not such a big issue if it where UK coach. Whilst that is in process no doubt his agent is working on some of the loose details to finalise the deal. If he accepts all good if not Im sure the club will know their next move. Tricky appointment because JP is looking for top quality at the right price as always and that takes time.
Wondered how long before the smart comments ;)
As for the topic I still think its between Ralf and Hughton but I agree that someone has been offered the job and we are just awaiting a reply but knowing how Peace works then I wouldn't be surprised if he is working on Blues over the compensation.
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Wondered how long before the smart comments ;)
As for the topic I still think its between Ralf and Hughton but I agree that someone has been offered the job and we are just awaiting a reply but knowing how Peace works then I wouldn't be surprised if he is working on Blues over the compensation.
Agree its a tricky one to call because we have on paper two outstanding candidates who could and should do an excellent job at WBA. I saw an interview off a link with Rangnick and was impressed with his persona he seemed very intelligent and switched on. On the other hand Hughtons quiet get on with it style I think is attractive to millionaire players with big egos. Its a really tough call this one im having trouble but im going to say Rangnick only because i get the feeling he might be the better tactician and for a smaller club on a budget like us we need the smarts sometimes like Roy had.
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Ralf wouldn't apply for a job in England if he hadn't considered his family. I dont know if he has kids, but he had an english education at uni level, perhaps he may feel that would be a good move for them.
Have we broke the record yet?
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Not sure if this was posted or mentioned but came across this on Twitter:
Saj Chowdhury ?@SajChowdhury
Ralf Rangnick has yet to hear anything from West Brom regarding the vacant manager's position #bbcsportsday
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Ralf wouldn't apply for a job in England if he hadn't considered his family. I dont know if he has kids, but he had an english education at uni level, perhaps he may feel that would be a good move for them.
Have we broke the record yet?
Very true,you never apply for a job if you havent considered everything.you apply cause you want the job.
if albion have offered him the job he would only have to take time on the offer because he is considering the terms offered.
And knowing albion our offer is less then he wants!
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Any more posts not actually discussing the topic but just trying to get the post count up will be removed, simples.
Do you mean me?
I thought the comment relevant.
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Wondered how long before the smart comments ;)
As for the topic I still think its between Ralf and Hughton but I agree that someone has been offered the job and we are just awaiting a reply but knowing how Peace works then I wouldn't be surprised if he is working on Blues over the compensation.
I've just ticked Rangnick and Hughton so does this mean I've won.
Seriously though just by vote alone 24% of Baggies thing Villas Boas will be the new Manager as opposed to less than 18% thinking it will be Hughton, thats amazing as I could never see AVB even coming to West Bromwich unless he brought another team here to play us. It looks like hope is fading amongst the support for Hughton.
The announcement must be made soon. I would imagine after the Bank Holidays in time for the Euro's so Wednesday, Thursday next for me which should just give JP time to count and bank the season ticket profits he's made.
Michael Appleton get your suit cleaned Only joking
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Not sure if this was posted or mentioned but came across this on Twitter:
If true what the hell are we waiting for roy to get the chop from england?
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I would imagine (and hope) that Albion has made an offer for Rangnick and the ball's in his court. Sure, to make a move to another country you would want a bit of time to consider. The other possibility is that he is looking at what other offers he might get. I've been checking the German media regularly over the last few days, and the posts linking him to us are all from 2-3 days ago when allegedly WBA made him an offer as reported in Sport Bild and other media. However, I haven't spotted any new links to German clubs since then. Hertha Berlin were after him, but they have now appointed another coach. I think Cologne and Bayer Leverkusen were linked before. However, Rangnick seems to want to come to England. I wonder if he is waiting to see if he gets other Prem. club offers.
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Tweet ....tomorrow's @ExpressandStar Ralf Rangnick's spokesman speaks about Albion. #wba”
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Well don't underestimate the issue of his family also wanting or not wanting to move to another Country, which doesn't speak their native language....
Sorry what is his family situation?
Do they speak English (we know he does)?
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I would imagine (and hope) that Albion has made an offer for Rangnick and the ball's in his court. Sure, to make a move to another country you would want a bit of time to consider. The other possibility is that he is looking at what other offers he might get. I've been checking the German media regularly over the last few days, and the posts linking him to us are all from 2-3 days ago when allegedly WBA made him an offer as reported in Sport Bild and other media. However, I haven't spotted any new links to German clubs since then. Hertha Berlin were after him, but they have now appointed another coach. I think Cologne and Bayer Leverkusen were linked before. However, Rangnick seems to want to come to England. I wonder if he is waiting to see if he gets other Prem. club offers.
Yeah, wouldn't surprise me if he is waiting for the Villa situation to settle before making his decision.
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Tweet ....tomorrow's @ExpressandStar Ralf Rangnick's spokesman speaks about Albion. #wba”
Will be interesting, I'm guessing it's more likely to be a 'brush off' rather than saying his man is going to get the job in the next week.
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From reading the last thirty-forty pages of this thread I would suggest certain forum members are heavily involved in the exchanges and are looking to influence the market to strengthen their position...
I now think it may be Appleton and thus will be over the moon if it's Rangnick.
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If Appy was anywhere near being a first choice we would have signed him by now. In my book he is the known quantity we go for after having exhausted all other possibilities, and it seems to be a lengthy list.
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God help the pirates in that case
If JP captured by pirates in the Indian Ocean I don't think HM Govt will come to his rescue.
Instead leave it to JP to negotiate with his captors.
At the end of it JP will have secured Ben Foster on a five year deal - for no fee.
Plus full fishing rights for the Indian Ocean.
You heard it here first.
And you can get 1 million to 1 at Ladbrokes - so stick a quid on it now!
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Tweet ....tomorrow's @ExpressandStar Ralf Rangnick's spokesman speaks about Albion. #wba”
In other words; it'll be a no. :(
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In other words; it'll be a no. :(
I was getting my hopes up but I fear the worst as well.
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I would imagine (and hope) that Albion has made an offer for Rangnick and the ball's in his court. Sure, to make a move to another country you would want a bit of time to consider. The other possibility is that he is looking at what other offers he might get. I've been checking the German media regularly over the last few days, and the posts linking him to us are all from 2-3 days ago when allegedly WBA made him an offer as reported in Sport Bild and other media. However, I haven't spotted any new links to German clubs since then. Hertha Berlin were after him, but they have now appointed another coach. I think Cologne and Bayer Leverkusen were linked before. However, Rangnick seems to want to come to England. I wonder if he is waiting to see if he gets other Prem. club offers.
If that's the case I hope he gets 'the other' job.
If he's not 100% committed he's always going to be looking at jumping ship when the first opportunity arises.
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They say you should never assume. Well Blues are adamant that no contact has been made for Hughton. OK, but if Albion wanted Hughton to be the next coach they have had plenty of time so assume its a no go. Appleton is simply not experienced enough. AVB will want champions league. Rangnick appears to have been courted some time back and was reported to be at the last home game. Is he our no1 target, my gut feeling is that he is in the frame but maybe since circumstances changed with Wigan I have a sneaky suspicion that JP is trying to lure Martinez. I don't read anything into Dave Whelan's bluster about now staying and only going to a big club, we are a vastly bigger club than Wigan with good facilities training wise which would impress most coaches and yet more being spent on training and ground improvements. Albion would be a very good move for Martinez and it may be that this is the man that JP wants ... but I could be wrong
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maybe since circumstances changed with Wigan I have a sneaky suspicion that JP is trying to lure Martinez. I don't read anything into Dave Whelan's bluster about now staying and only going to a big club, we are a vastly bigger club than Wigan with good facilities training wise which would impress most coaches and yet more being spent on training and ground improvements. Albion would be a very good move for Martinez and it may be that this is the man that JP wants ... but I could be wrong
hmmmm wishful thinking at best.
Nothing has really changed in the circumstances between us and Wigan.....
and frankly Martinez would not be my 1st, 2nd, 3rd or even 4th choice to came to us.
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They say you should never assume. Well Blues are adamant that no contact has been made for Hughton. OK, but if Albion wanted Hughton to be the next coach they have had plenty of time so assume its a no go. Appleton is simply not experienced enough. AVB will want champions league. Rangnick appears to have been courted some time back and was reported to be at the last home game. Is he our no1 target, my gut feeling is that he is in the frame but maybe since circumstances changed with Wigan I have a sneaky suspicion that JP is trying to lure Martinez. I don't read anything into Dave Whelan's bluster about now staying and only going to a big club, we are a vastly bigger club than Wigan with good facilities training wise which would impress most coaches and yet more being spent on training and ground improvements. Albion would be a very good move for Martinez and it may be that this is the man that JP wants ... but I could be wrong
I don't think Martinez would come to us anyway because he likes to be an absolute English type manager. He likes to have full control from the 16 year olds up and he wouldn't get that here
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They say you should never assume. Well Blues are adamant that no contact has been made for Hughton. OK, but if Albion wanted Hughton to be the next coach they have had plenty of time so assume its a no go. Appleton is simply not experienced enough. AVB will want champions league. Rangnick appears to have been courted some time back and was reported to be at the last home game. Is he our no1 target, my gut feeling is that he is in the frame but maybe since circumstances changed with Wigan I have a sneaky suspicion that JP is trying to lure Martinez. I don't read anything into Dave Whelan's bluster about now staying and only going to a big club, we are a vastly bigger club than Wigan with good facilities training wise which would impress most coaches and yet more being spent on training and ground improvements. Albion would be a very good move for Martinez and it may be that this is the man that JP wants ... but I could be wrong
Baggyjohn welcome! I feel I am about the only one on this board who has championed this and everytime I bring it up I get shot down in flames!! It may well be and even likely that Martinez will not find his way to the Hawthorns but I agree. I too have had this suspicion that JP has had his eyes all along on Martinez and that he has from day 1 been his No 1 target. It would not surprise me at all if he has been throwing bread on the water in that direction although I do feel with the current silence that someone has been offered the job! I also agree 100% with your comment on Whelan I think all of his bluster has been a deliberate attempt to put people off. Martinez would be well advised to consider where he is having on the face of it turned down! two massive jobs
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How good is your German?
http://www.welt.de/newsticker/dpa_nt/infoline_nt/schlaglichter_nt/article106407443/Rangnick-wird-Trainer-bei-West-Bromwich-Albion.html
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looks very promising
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How good is your German?
http://www.welt.de/newsticker/dpa_nt/infoline_nt/schlaglichter_nt/article106407443/Rangnick-wird-Trainer-bei-West-Bromwich-Albion.html (http://www.welt.de/newsticker/dpa_nt/infoline_nt/schlaglichter_nt/article106407443/Rangnick-wird-Trainer-bei-West-Bromwich-Albion.html)
Encouraging..,it says he will be the new coach for the baggies.
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I am struggling to find the source article which was by this publication. "Hannover Allgemeine Zeitung" http://www.haz.de/
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This is the Google translation. No mention of press conference.
Berlin - Ralf Rangnick is for information «Hannover Allgemeine Zeitung 'new coach of the England football first division West Bromwich Albion. The 53-year-old will take over for the new season, the successor of Roy Hodgson, who has moved to the position of the English national team, the paper wrote. Rangnick who resigned last September because of burnout as head coach of Bundesliga side FC Schalke 04. After a rest, he had but recently signaled that they want to return to the coaching job.
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The Welt is one of their top daily papers so that does sound more than promising.............
Hail King Ralf ? ;)
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This is the Google translation. No mention of press conference.
Berlin - Ralf Rangnick is for information «Hannover Allgemeine Zeitung 'new coach of the England football first division West Bromwich Albion. The 53-year-old will take over for the new season, the successor of Roy Hodgson, who has moved to the position of the English national team, the paper wrote. Rangnick who resigned last September because of burnout as head coach of Bundesliga side FC Schalke 04. After a rest, he had but recently signaled that they want to return to the coaching job.
This seems to be suggesting that the source is the "Hannover Allgemeine Zeitung" (Hannover General newspaper), but I can't see anything on the football pages of its website (it may have printed something, of course, which hasn't yet appeared on the website):
Link: Hannover Allgemeine Zeitung football pages (http://www.haz.de/Nachrichten/Sport/Fussball/Uebersicht)
Edit: Can see that Alex has already posted something along similar lines - apologies
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There's a lot of German newsfeeds coming through on twitter but can't understand/translate any of them unfortunately.
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Full article.
http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/article106407521/Ralf-Rangnick-soll-Trainer-in-England-werden.html (http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/article106407521/Ralf-Rangnick-soll-Trainer-in-England-werden.html)
The extra stuff is just background that we already know.
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There's a lot of German newsfeeds coming through on twitter but can't understand/translate any of them unfortunately.
Copy and paste the text into here:
Link: Google Translation (http://translate.google.com/?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en)
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This one :
http://sport.t-online.de/presse-ralf-rangnick-wird-trainer-bei-west-bromwich-albion/id_56891474/index
SAYS:
Ralf Rangnick is for information of the "Hannover Allgemeine Zeitung," new coach of the English first division side West Bromwich Albion. The 53-year-old to the new season is therefore the successor to Roy Hodgson to take, who moved to the post of England coach.
Rangnick who resigned last September because of burnout as head coach of FC Schalke 04. After a rest, he had but recently signaled that they want to return to the coaching job.
Several bids turned down
Supposedly, Rangnick offers of RSC Anderlecht and rejected by Besiktas Istanbul and now decided to offer from West Brom. Hodgson was in the club last season in tenth place in the Premier League out before he took over the national team.
Besides Rangnick led West Brom to succeed also talks with former Chelsea coach Claudio Ranieri, who has since signed for AS Monaco. Also, Ray Wilkins, assistant coach most recently at Chelsea and Birmingham coach Chris Hughton were considered candidates for the office.
The first German head coach in the Premier League
Rangnick would be the first German head coach in the Premier League. In the Bundesliga side Schalke also in charge of the Schwabe VfB Stuttgart, Hannover 96 and 1899 Hoffenheim. Rank Nick desire to work again in England, was well known. After high school he had studied on the island and played for amateur side FC Southwick.
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Copy and paste the text into here:
Link: Google Translation (http://translate.google.com/?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en)
Or post a link, so i can translate the text. ;)
Here is the original "HAZ" article: http://www.haz.de/Nachrichten/Sport/Fussball/Uebersicht/Rangnick-zieht-es-auf-die-Insel
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Copy and paste the text into here:
Link: Google Translation (http://translate.google.com/?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en)
Cheers.
Seem to be reporting the same as the above article.
Hopefully we might find out more in the Express & Star article later on today.
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Full article.
http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/article106407521/Ralf-Rangnick-soll-Trainer-in-England-werden.html (http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/article106407521/Ralf-Rangnick-soll-Trainer-in-England-werden.html)
The extra stuff is just background that we already know.
It does say "is apparently supposed to be coach at West Bromwich Albion" which suggests that Welt is taking it with a pinch of salt to a certain extent at present.
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It does say "is apparently supposed to be coach at West Bromwich Albion" which suggests that Welt is taking it with a pinch of salt to a certain extent at present.
The HAZ article sounds fairly confident it's a done deal, assuming I'm interpreting Google Translate's Engrish correctly:
In Hanover, he still enjoys great popularity since he was ten years back in 96, the first League has done. Now Ralf Rangnick moved to the English Premier League. After HAZ information of the 52-year-old in the coming season is West Bromwich Albion take on, in tenth last season on the island.
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Get the feeling the news is beginning to break here bearing in mind they are a little ahead of us. Makes sense to me. The silence tended to indicate that someone had been offered the job. If correct the first German to coach in the PL and in the UK for how long if ever!!........and a pat on the back to JP for securing the services of another quality experienced coach. The question will be can he find his feet quickly. He would have pre season which is the real bonus........we shall wait and see if this unfolds
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Does look like the German Media think it is a done deal here's hoping.
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Ralf might be on the phone to Ben Foster as we type !
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To polish the English in the article a bit.
"Nach HAZ-Informationen wird der 52-Jährige in der kommenden Saison West Bromwich Albion übernehmen, vergangene Spielzeit Tabellenzehnter auf der Insel."
According to information from HAZ, the 52 year old will take over West Bromwich Albion, last season's 10th placed team in England.
The article goes on to say that he had a health scare (close to burn out) but is now fit again and hungry for success.
Hope it's true :)
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Already thought it would be Ralf, this is as good as confirmation for me. VERY VERY happy with this appointment.
:D :D :D
Now just Foster and Olsson to go!!
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From the Birmingham Mail this morning:
THE uncertainty surrounding the identity of West Brom’s new manager is set to continue into next week as Albion still search for Roy Hodgson’s successor. Another quiet day passed at The Hawthorns with German Ralf Rangnick remaining the most likely man to take over.
However, sources in Germany suggest the former Schalke and Hoffenheim boss is cooling on the idea and the longer negotiations drag on the less easy it is to be optimistic about the man they call ‘The Professor’ bringing his enlightened methods to the Black Country.
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/06/02/west-bromwich-albion-uncertainty-surrounds-search-for-new-manager-to-replace-roy-hodgson-97319-31097575/ (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/06/02/west-bromwich-albion-uncertainty-surrounds-search-for-new-manager-to-replace-roy-hodgson-97319-31097575/)
I wonder who his "sources in Germany" are.
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Is it just me or does the BMail sound a bit snotty about Ralph?
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That Birmingham Mail article makes it sound like it will be Appleton.
Poyet would command a similar fee to Hughton, so I can't see how he'd be in the frame?
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Is it just me or does the BMail sound a bit snotty about Ralph?
The local papers seem way out of the loop on the whole manager thing so far............
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Is it just me or does the BMail sound a bit snotty about Ralph?
I think that article was just written before the Hannover paper published.
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From the Birmingham Mail this morning:
THE uncertainty surrounding the identity of West Brom’s new manager is set to continue into next week as Albion still search for Roy Hodgson’s successor. Another quiet day passed at The Hawthorns with German Ralf Rangnick remaining the most likely man to take over.
However, sources in Germany suggest the former Schalke and Hoffenheim boss is cooling on the idea and the longer negotiations drag on the less easy it is to be optimistic about the man they call ‘The Professor’ bringing his enlightened methods to the Black Country.
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/06/02/west-bromwich-albion-uncertainty-surrounds-search-for-new-manager-to-replace-roy-hodgson-97319-31097575/ (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/06/02/west-bromwich-albion-uncertainty-surrounds-search-for-new-manager-to-replace-roy-hodgson-97319-31097575/)
I wonder who his "sources in Germany" are.
I suddenly get the feeling that we're not as in control of the new manager situation as we were led to believe.
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Birmingham Mail copy probably filed last night for publication this morning. Although they do quote "German Media Sources" saying completely the opposite to what has been published this morning. Confused? I certainly am
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I think that article was just written before the Hannover paper published.
I agree probably the BM had nothing concrete so they speculated on what they knew and figured things had cooled. Could of misread this which would be embarrassing, bad week for CL to be on holiday as he is the one who is closest to whats going on through club channels. We shall see.
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I suddenly get the feeling that we're not as in control of the new manager situation as we were led to believe.
Who knows. Sounds to me like Brian doesn't know any more than we do. The HAZ article appeared online 30-45 minutes before the Mail article, but the Mail article doesn't have any new information. It could have been written last night.
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New App for baggies in the offing? I think that the local rags are being mischievous,especially as the vile are sorted.
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Rangnicks Agent said:
Laut Rangnicks Berater Oliver Mintzlaff gibt es aber bislang keinen Vollzug. «Ich kann lediglich bestätigen, dass es Gespräche gab, eine Entscheidung steht noch aus», sagte er. http://www.stern.de/sport/fussball/rangnick-soll-trainer-bei-west-bromwich-werden-1835576.html
Oliver Mintzlaff: "I can only confirm, that there have been talks, but no decision has been made yet"
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Who knows. Sounds to me like Brian doesn't know any more than we do. The HAZ article appeared online 30-45 minutes before the Mail article, but the Mail article doesn't have any new information. It could have been written last night.
Mail does not publish online ahead of hard copy edition so the Mail article would have been filed yesterday evening for publication today. Not sure about the German sources but fairly certain at least some of them would be written after the Mail article was put to bed.
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I dont think the media have more of a clue than us on this one or if they do they cannot say, Chris L is normally in the loop but obviously with him being off it makes it difficult for the new bloke to step in for a week and get information.
Albion dont tend to do their business in public, Liverpool did theirs a lot by announcing who they wanted to interview, Villa has been played out in the media whether they wanted it or not with Lambert quitting, and Norwich and Swansea have only been looking a day or two.
Its never been the clubs nature to make it public who we were after, it rarely happens with Players either, we get linked a lot but its very rare for us to confirm out interest in anyone, even with RDM it appeared it would be Mcinnes or Irvine, in came RDM out the blue, last time we thought it was Hughton and then out of nowhere in came Royston and thats why the fact it appears to be public about Rangnick makes me think knowing Albion we have somebody else in the frame.
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Rangnicks Agent said:
Laut Rangnicks Berater Oliver Mintzlaff gibt es aber bislang keinen Vollzug. «Ich kann lediglich bestätigen, dass es Gespräche gab, eine Entscheidung steht noch aus», sagte er. http://www.stern.de/sport/fussball/rangnick-soll-trainer-bei-west-bromwich-werden-1835576.html
Oliver Mintzlaff: "I can only confirm, that there have been talks, but no decision has been made yet"
thanks for that. with the news leaking from the German press and the non denial from his agent i am guessing that this could just be "pending" official news from WBA FC............we shall see
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To the mods/admin
I know this is a record for a thread but can you 'out' the member who has posted most times? ;)
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waiting for local press to say that german reports stating rangnick has joined WBA as head coach are 'wide of the mark'
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Seeing as the deal is reported as confirmed in a German paper, I would of thought that the odds would have shortened significantly as a precaution. The fact Hughton is still as short with some bookies concerns me. I know they have not been the best judge to date if they had any reason to believe he had the job wouldn't they have responded?
I just don't know what to think any more.
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Hi everyone,
I am a supporter of Ralf Rangnick's former club Hannover 96. I can only congratulate you of getting this excellent manager (if he finally comes to West Bromwich). He is one of the best managers in Germany with a modern football philosophy. Moreover, half of the Bundesliga would be glad to have him as a manager, thus, he has a high reputation. He often stated that he would like to join the Premier League and now it looks like he can do so.
I am pretty excited how this story is going to develop. If you have any deeper questions regarding Ralf Rangnick I am trying to answer them.
Kind regards
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Hi everyone,
I am a supporter of Ralf Rangnick's former club Hannover 96. I can only congratulate you of getting this excellent manager (if he finally comes to West Bromwich). He is one of the best managers in Germany with a modern football philosophy. Moreover, half of the Bundesliga would be glad to have him as a manager, thus, he has a high reputation. He often stated that he would like to join the Premier League and now it looks like he can do so.
I am pretty excited how this story is going to develop. If you have any deeper questions regarding Ralf Rangnick I am trying to answer them.
Kind regards
Guten Morgan, Ich Heibe (not got that funny s/b button) Liam :D
Welcome to the board and thank you for that insightful post. If he so highly rated in Germany, has he never been considered for their national team? And what are the chances he would leave, if Joachim Loew left after these upcoming Euro's?
Danke. Auf Wierdersehn.
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Hi everyone,
I am a supporter of Ralf Rangnick's former club Hannover 96. I can only congratulate you of getting this excellent manager (if he finally comes to West Bromwich). He is one of the best managers in Germany with a modern football philosophy. Moreover, half of the Bundesliga would be glad to have him as a manager, thus, he has a high reputation. He often stated that he would like to join the Premier League and now it looks like he can do so.
I am pretty excited how this story is going to develop. If you have any deeper questions regarding Ralf Rangnick I am trying to answer them.
Kind regards
Welcome, are there any clubs in the Bundesliga who need a coach that might make him an offer thus wrecking our chances of signing him?
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Hi everyone,
I am a supporter of Ralf Rangnick's former club Hannover 96. I can only congratulate you of getting this excellent manager (if he finally comes to West Bromwich). He is one of the best managers in Germany with a modern football philosophy. Moreover, half of the Bundesliga would be glad to have him as a manager, thus, he has a high reputation. He often stated that he would like to join the Premier League and now it looks like he can do so.
I am pretty excited how this story is going to develop. If you have any deeper questions regarding Ralf Rangnick I am trying to answer them.
Kind regards
Welcome aboard mate.
Most of us seem pretty excited about this appointment and I for one really hope it comes off.
Unfortunately (for the reason of news only!) We have a 4 day weekend this weekend for the Queen's diamond (60 years) jubilee so news on this side of the channel will be slow to break with everyone on holiday. So please keep us informed on anything that comes out in Germany. Cheers.
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You can still get even money on RR with Paddy Power. Bookies are no fools and wouldn't offer such generous odds if it was a done deal.
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You can still get even money on RR with Paddy Power. Bookies are no fools and wouldn't offer such generous odds if it was a done deal.
Odds on with all other bookies though. But the market changes so quickly and is twitchy to small ammounts of money being placed it's not really a good indicator, as we've seen recently.
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Hi Hannover, thanks for your interest in West Brom,what are your opinions on the possibility of this appointment and the general consensus of the German press, and is it deemed very likely to happen.
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Never trust a bookie. The amount the odds have fluctuated just shows how little they actually know. I've given up!
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Guten Morgan, Ich Heibe (not got that funny s/b button) Liam :D
Welcome to the board and thank you for that insightful post. If he so highly rated in Germany, has he never been considered for their national team? And what are the chances he would leave, if Joachim Loew left after these upcoming Euro's?
Danke. Auf Wierdersehn.
Guten Morgen, ;)
even he is highly rated in Germany, there were no considerations that he could manage the national team (of course some newspaper debated his name, but these were more speculations), because since 2006 (after the Jürgen Klinsman era) Joachim Löw is doing quite well. Consequently, there was no need to talk about this option. Especially, if you consider today's statement of the DFB (German Football Association) that Löw will stay even if Germany screw up during the European Championship.
But there is one name often discussed, who could follow after Löw: It is Jürgen Klopp (Manager of our league winner Borussia Dortmund).
Nevertheless, for me "Ralf Rangnick" was the inventor of this new German football philosophy, which is followed (of course every manager has his own style) by some young football managers today. In earlier days, he got the moniker "football professor", due to his meticulous working style.
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The more i hear about Ralf the more excited i become about the possibility of him being our head coach....I just hope come next week im not bitterly dissapointed!
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Welcome, are there any clubs in the Bundesliga who need a coach that might make him an offer thus wrecking our chances of signing him?
There are some clubs, but most "top-clubs" have already their manager. Bayern München, Dortmund, Schalke, Hamburg, Wolfsburg etc. The only top club, which has no real manager is Bayer Leverkusen. But, Leverkusen said that they want to go in the next season with the current inexperienced manager. Hence, Ralf Rangnick has to wait if he wants to obtain a job at a top club.
Nonetheless, it often was Rangnick's dream to go in the Premier League, therefore I could also imagine that he would refuse a "Bundesliga top club offer", if he has the chance to go in the PL.
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on sky sports germany at the bottom off the screen running across like it does on sky UK watching it now
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on sky sports germany at the bottom off the screen running across like it does on sky UK watching it now
Whats running across???
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Hi Hannover, thanks for your interest in West Brom,what are your opinions on the possibility of this appointment and the general consensus of the German press, and is it deemed very likely to happen.
I also cannot see into the future, therefore I would rely on the recent quote of the Stern:
Rangnicks Agent said:
Laut Rangnicks Berater Oliver Mintzlaff gibt es aber bislang keinen Vollzug. «Ich kann lediglich bestätigen, dass es Gespräche gab, eine Entscheidung steht noch aus», sagte er. http://www.stern.de/sport/fussball/rangnick-soll-trainer-bei-west-bromwich-werden-1835576.html
Oliver Mintzlaff: "I can only confirm, that there have been talks, but no decision has been made yet"
In my opinion the HAZ (my home town newspaper :D ) was too fast in announcing a fixed transfer, but in general their press reputation is high. So the Stern statement looks like the most recent.
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about Ralf joining the baggies i can pick up sky germany on my TV just put it on and it was running across the bottom off sky sports germany
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I also cannot see into the future, therefore I would rely on the recent quote of the Spiegel:
In my opinion the HAZ (my home town newspaper :D ) was too fast in announcing a fixed transfer, but in general their press reputation is high. So the Spiegel statement looks like the most recent.
I understood from my German language teacher that the Hannover dialect is the purest in Germany, the equivalent to "Oxford" English and that you consume the most tea per head in Germany.
So Ralf will be at home with the tea, however he may have a problem with our local dialect ;)
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Hi everyone,
I am a supporter of Ralf Rangnick's former club Hannover 96. I can only congratulate you of getting this excellent manager (if he finally comes to West Bromwich). He is one of the best managers in Germany with a modern football philosophy. Moreover, half of the Bundesliga would be glad to have him as a manager, thus, he has a high reputation. He often stated that he would like to join the Premier League and now it looks like he can do so.
I am pretty excited how this story is going to develop. If you have any deeper questions regarding Ralf Rangnick I am trying to answer them.
Kind regards
Wilkommen auf dem brett.
Entschuldigen sie miene schlechte Deutsch ich versuche die sprache zu lernen.
Ich habe schon lange bewundert Deutschen Fussball.
Rangnick wurde excel bei West Brom.
Hoffentlich entscheident sich unser trainer sein.
(Basically welcomed the chap to the board ,and having watched German football in the past stated i though Rangnick would excell here if he comes and hope he does)
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I think we're finally reaching the end of the next manager saga. If the German media are confident enough to run the story I suspect it might be true. Just need to wait the three days it will take the OS to confirm it now.
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Its all over Twitter, well the German side that he's agreed to take over.
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I think we're finally reaching the end of the next manager saga. If the German media are confident enough to run the story I suspect it might be true. Just need to wait the three days it will take the OS to confirm it now.
3 days? You're joking.
We've got a four day weekend, add the usual 3 days that takes us to Saturday at the earliest but that's the weekend so expect the press conference at 2 o'clock a week on Monday!
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We can thank our Royal Family for our manager not being announced today then :P
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3 days? You're joking.
We've got a four day weekend, add the usual 3 days that takes us to Saturday at the earliest but that's the weekend so expect the press conference at 2 o'clock a week on Monday!
Your right early July announcement then :D
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What's the latest? Is Rangnick finally ours?!
Someone confirm it's killing me!
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I think we're finally reaching the end of the next manager saga. If the German media are confident enough to run the story I suspect it might be true. Just need to wait the three days it will take the OS to confirm it now.
Basically, I guess all the media running this announcement refer to the HAZ. Therefore, if the HAZ statement is not true, the rest is neither true. ;)
Wilkommen auf dem brett.
Entschuldigen sie miene schlechte Deutsch ich versuche die sprache zu lernen.
Ich habe schon lange bewundert Deutschen Fussball.
Rangnick wurde excel bei West Brom.
Hoffentlich entscheident sich unser trainer sein.
(Basically welcomed the chap to the board ,and having watched German football in the past stated i though Rangnick would excell here if he comes and hope he does)
Thank you for your warm welcome. I appreciate this.
I understood from my German language teacher that the Hannover dialect is the purest in Germany, the equivalent to "Oxford" English and that you consume the most tea per head in Germany.
So Ralf will be at home with the tea, however he may have a problem with our local dialect ;)
I did know that we talk the purest dialect (and even if you do not know it, you will realize it pretty soon, especially if you talk to the southern Bavarians ;) ), but I did not know that the tea consumption here is the highest in Germany. Learning never stops. :D
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By googling 'Ralf Rangnick' and changing the search filter to most recent, there seems to be a lot of talk on German Forums and Twitter accounts. Nothing Official as of yet but looks promising!
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=ralf+rangnick&hl=en&tbo=1&output=search&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:h&sa=X&ei=WvrJT5D9J4fE0QX6-simAQ&ved=0CAcQpwUoAQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=209b33b240045ae3&biw=1280&bih=687
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Odds really shortening on Skybet. Do they know something? :o
1/4
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Odds really shortening on Skybet. Do they know something? :o
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i think at putting £4 on to win £1 means they probably do :D
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Odds really shortening on Skybet. Do they know something? :o
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Coral have suspended betting.
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Ralf Rangnick wird wahrscheinlich bald sein Comeback als Trainer geben und alles spricht für ein Traineramt in England bei West Bromwich, welche ihren vorherigen Trainer an die Nationalmannschaft verloren haben.
Wahrscheinlich is the key word.... "probably" lol if one word could describe us when it comes down to securing a deal, "probably" would be it ;D
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These are just reactions to the local speculation I'd guess.
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they should now its on sky gemany part of sky bet but i got evens this morning
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about Ralf joining the baggies i can pick up sky germany on my TV just put it on and it was running across the bottom off sky sports germany
Let's hope it's more accurate than our sky sports "understands" stories.
It's dragging on a bit too much, but then what's new.
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is it just me or does Google Translate convert West Bromwich to West Ham!!!
Ralf Rangnick wird wahrscheinlich bald sein Comeback als Trainer geben und alles spricht für ein Traineramt in England bei West Bromwich, welche ihren vorherigen Trainer an die Nationalmannschaft verloren haben
Ralf Rangnick will probably soon be a comeback as a coach and everything speaks for coaching positions in England at West Ham, who have lost their former coach of the national team.
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Let's hope it's more accurate than our sky sports "understands" stories.
It's dragging on a bit too much, but then what's new.
Sky Sports Duetschland versteht...
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ich fuhle, dass es entspannend ist! Jedoch ist es nicht total gemacht!
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ich fuhle, dass es entspannend ist! Jedoch ist es nicht total gemacht!
Touché
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haha, i feel that this is exciting, but it isnt totally done(did a-level german a few years back, but cant remember if everything is absolutely right)
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If JP captured by pirates in the Indian Ocean I don't think HM Govt will come to his rescue.
Instead leave it to JP to negotiate with his captors.
At the end of it JP will have secured Ben Foster on a five year deal - for no fee.
Plus full fishing rights for the Indian Ocean.
You heard it here first.
And you can get 1 million to 1 at Ladbrokes - so stick a quid on it now!
Hahaha.
Just been reading the Lambert story to Villa. Think they have got an amazing manager. Anyone else think its unusual that 2 mangers of the newly promoted teams have been scooped up to manage bigger jobs within a year? Think it shows that the difference between the Premier League and Championship is narrowing all the time. Although I think Ralf would be a fantastic appointment, Appleton did a pretty good job at Portsmouth in the circumstances and its pretty apparent that it was their financial crisis what effectively relegated them. I'd be willing to have Appleton back while the same players and back room staff are here and help him out while he gets experience.
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I read all these articles. Even sky sports Germany refers to the HAZ ("Hannoverschen Allgemeinen Zeitung"): http://www.sky.de/web/cms/de/premier-league-rangnick-zieht-es-wohl-auf-die-insel.jsp
So as I stated earlier: There is just one article saying Rangnick is going to West Bromwich. The rest of the media is copying and pasting...
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Hahaha.
Just been reading the Lambert story to Villa. Think they have got an amazing manager. Anyone else think its unusual that 2 mangers of the newly promoted teams have been scooped up to manage bigger jobs within a year? Think it shows that the difference between the Premier League and Championship is narrowing all the time. Although I think Ralf would be a fantastic appointment, Appleton did a pretty good job at Portsmouth in the circumstances and its pretty apparent that it was their financial crisis what effectively relegated them. I'd be willing to have Appleton back while the same players and back room staff are here and help him out while he gets experience.
I think I'll reserve judgement until this time next year
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I read all these articles. Even sky sports Germany refers to the HAZ ("Hannoverschen Allgemeinen Zeitung"): http://www.sky.de/web/cms/de/premier-league-rangnick-zieht-es-wohl-auf-die-insel.jsp
So as I stated earlier: There is just one article saying Rangnick is going to West Bromwich. The rest of the media is copying and pasting...
How realiable is HAZ for sport? I've never considered reading their paper before :-\
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How realiable is HAZ for sport? I've never considered reading their paper before :-\
Since it is my home town newspaper, I read this newspaper pretty often.
So in general, it is pretty reliable. But I guess every newspaper has some stories, which do not appear true afterwards. It is hard to define the credibility of this newspaper. But, I will try to do so: If there are in average 10 articles in sports for my home club Hannover 96, then 7-8 become true afterwards.
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I can just hear the chant now (To the Mancini song).
Ralf Rangnick wo o o, Ralf Rangnick wo o o
He comes from Germany to manage the Baggies
Ralf Rangnick wo o o
:D
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I can just hear the chant now (To the Mancini song).
Ralf Rangnick wo o o, Ralf Rangnick wo o o
He comes from Germany to manage the Baggies
Ralf Rangnick wo o o
:D
To live in Dud-er-ley :D
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Since it is my home town newspaper, I read this newspaper pretty often.
So in general, it is pretty reliable. But I guess every newspaper has some stories, which do not appear true afterwards. It is hard to define the credibility of this newspaper. But, I will try to do so: If there are in average 10 articles in sports for my home club Hannover 96, then 7-8 become true afterwards.
I'm not going to get my hopes up. It feels like it won't happen to me.
But I really want it to happen. :-\
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To anyone annoyed by the seals appointing Lambert quicker than we have appointed anyone remember:
1) They've probably been looking longer than us - we all knew McLeish was going to be sacked by Easter or before even.
2) Lambert was evassive about being Nowich's manager straight after the last game of the season - done deal already?
So don't lose heart Baggies fans!
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Even Die Welt have copied the HAZ story now :-\ http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/article106407521/Ralf-Rangnick-soll-Trainer-in-England-werden.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
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http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/article106407521/Ralf-Rangnick-soll-Trainer-in-England-werden.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
Allerdings ist nach Informationen von Welt Online weder bei Rangnick noch beim Klub aus der Premier League eine Entscheidung gefallen, ob es zu einer Zusammenarbeit kommt. Beide Parteien haben bislang nur ihre jeweiligen Vorstellungen ausgetauscht. Vor Montag oder Dienstag wird es demnach wohl zu keinem Ergebnis der Verhandlungen kommen.
This article is referring to the HAZ, but has additional information, as highlighted above.
Short translation: According to Welt Online information, no decision has been made yet (either from Rangnick or West Bromwich). The results of the negotiations between both parties are not likely to be announced before Monday or Tuesday .
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To anyone annoyed by the seals appointing Lambert quicker than we have appointed anyone remember:
1) They've probably been looking longer than us - we all knew McLeish was going to be sacked by Easter or before even.
2) Lambert was evassive about being Nowich's manager straight after the last game of the season - done deal already?
So don't lose heart Baggies fans!
They only appointed Lambert so fast because they had the money to throw at Norwich to get Lambert and the lack of sense to actually do so.
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hello to everyone
when all the rumours are true, then i can congratulate you guys . You will get one of the best german coaches. Iam a Schalke04 supporter.
I will watch some of your games in the future to see how Ralf is doing
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hello to everyone
when all the rumours are true, then i can congratulate you guys . You will get one of the best german coaches. Iam a Schalke04 supporter.
I will watch some of your games in the future to see how Ralf is doing
Welcome.
If they are true and Ralf does come I think most of us here will be very happy. Fingers crossed. Maybe he'll bring some gems from the bunderleiga?!
I just want it to become official so we can put this to rest!
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hello to everyone
when all the rumours are true, then i can congratulate you guys . You will get one of the best german coaches. Iam a Schalke04 supporter.
I will watch some of your games in the future to see how Ralf is doing
Welcome friend :)
Well this really is beginning to have an international flavour, if we get Ralf-brilliant, if not at least we've made some new friendships, hope you German guys stay with our forum as its always good to hear opinions from other countries football fans,
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Welcome to you hannover96 and 1germanguy, thank you for sharing your thoughts and information with us. What is Rangnick's family situation - even though he has ambitions do work in the English Premier League, might family issues prove an obstacle to him coming over here?
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I really hope that Ralf will be a long term vision for us. Help us build the club into a top half premier league team, possibly even a cup win. Tie him down on a 4 year deal Albion! (well an albion style 4 year deal, 1 year plus 3 in the clubs favor. ;D ;D
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Something to ponder from an ESPN article:
"'The main reason I made this choice (becoming manager of Hoffenheim) were the working conditions' Rangnick says today. 'If the set- up at Hoffenheim had been the same as at so many other clubs, I wouldn't have considered the offer for a second.'
What he means by ''set-up'' were not so much the financial conditions, because there had also been money at Schalke. (While Rangnick was coach there, he bought Kevin Kuranyi for 7m Euros and lured Fabian Ernst away from Bremen.) Rather, he was given free rein and didn't have to answer to anyone."
Source: ESPN (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=609078&sec=europe&root=europe&cc=5739#)
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all i know is that he has two sons , Kevin (17) and David (13) who are Schalke supporters. I dont think there will be any issues
with the family. It was always his dream to work in the premier league and after his little downtime, he said in german tv some
weeks ago that hes full of power again and ready for a new club. He would be the first german coach in the PL and i cant imagine that he would refuse that great offer
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Welcome to you hannover96 and 1germanguy, thank you for sharing your thoughts and information with us. What is Rangnick's family situation - even though he has ambitions do work in the English Premier League, might family issues prove an obstacle to him coming over here?
Of course, I do not have the required insights into the Rangnick family, however, I reckon this shouldn't be a difficulty, because Rangnick talks in the media so often about his dream becoming a manager in the PL. If he would have any concerns joining the PL, I assume his diction would be more cautious.
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Welcome 1germanguy and hannover96 to the forum. I would like to know if Ralf plays attacking or defending football. What Roy brought to us was both and worked brilliantly. I have a feeling Ralf will do well following in the footsteps of the new England manager.
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all i know is that he has two sons , Kevin (17) and David (13) who are Schalke supporters. I dont think there will be any issues
with the family. It was always his dream to work in the premier league and after his little downtime, he said in german tv some
weeks ago that hes full of power again and ready for a new club. He would be the first german coach in the PL and i cant imagine that he would refuse that great offer
Thank for your response. I must admit I had never heard of him until he was linked with Albion, because I don't really follow European football (either the European leagues or the Champions (sic) league) but, the more I read about him, the more I'm warming to him. Despite some articles talking about him being arrogant and a know-it-all, I thought he came over very well in the English interview before the Champions league semi-final that someone posted the link to the other day.
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Of course, I do not have the required insights into the Rangnick family, however, I reckon this shouldn't be a difficulty, because Rangnick talks in the media so often about his dream becoming a manager in the PL. If he would have any concerns joining the PL, I assume his diction would be more cautious.
That makes good sense - thank you.
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Hey Baggies,
can't believe this is happening. I'm really happy for you. If rumours are true you made it to hire one of the best managers of the Bundesliga. As Hannover96 already stated he's pure class and I'm quite sad at the time because he won't be available for my club, Schalke 04 FC, anytime soon.
He resigned as Schalke manager in september last year due to a burnout syndrome. That was pretty frustrating for Schalke fans since he had a special bond with the club and the fans. When he first came to Schalke for the 2004/05 season we finished runner-up. He was fired by former general manager Assauer because they didn't get along quite well. So his first stint at Schalke was pretty succesfull but pretty short, too. He then moved on to become manager of Hoffenheim. He led them from third division to the Bundesliga straight away. In Hoffenheim's first Bundesliga season they managed to finish on top at the end of the first half of the season but couldn't hold it and finished 7th at the end. The first half of the season has shown a Hoffenheim team that was just amazing. Quick passing, counter attacking and a high pressing defense. The best performance I've ever seen when it comes to quick transition play. Just brilliant. But they couldn't keep the pace and became more and more vulnerable at the back (they've been vulnerable at the back all season long but failed to score goals in the second half of the season).
When he came to us for a second short stint last year you could see right away the changes. We trashed Inter in the CL but went out of the tournament when we met a much better side (Man Utd.) in the semis. And then he resigned.
Ralf Rangnick speaks fluently English. He spent a year in England as a student in the late 70s. So language won't be a problem (he's got quite a German accent though). He's a big fan of the EPL and his managerial style will be having a big impact on the league. His philosophy has always been very offensive minded. High pressing, quick passing, quick vertical play, quick transition. He likes his players to chase the ball by 2 or 3 forcing the opponent to quickly give away the ball. Furthermore he's really into quick feeted and fast wingers. You see, he's really fokussing on playing the game in a straight way. No long balls, keeping the ball on the ground.
Unfortunately his teams were always a bit vulnerable at the back. But if you want to see spectacular football you've got the right manager. I dare to say you'll finish in the top ten next season.
I'll follow you next season to see how he'll be doing. Congrats and have good time.
A royal blue supporter (which means Schalke 04) from Germany.
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Great to see all this positive things being said from the German guys popping up on the forum.
I have to admit I am hoping it is true now, I will be disappointed if it isn't.
I'm looking forward to some gems coming in from the Bundesliga, the next Cisse perhaps? ;D
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Yep reports coming from Ex-club Hannover that they are proud of Rangnick being appointed as Premier League manager for WBA
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Hey Baggies,
can't believe this is happening. I'm really happy for you. If rumours are true you made it to hire one of the best managers of the Bundesliga. As Hannover96 already stated he's pure class and I'm quite sad at the time because he won't be available for my club, Schalke 04 FC, anytime soon.
He resigned as Schalke manager in september last year due to a burnout syndrome. That was pretty frustrating for Schalke fans since he had a special bond with the club and the fans. When he first came to Schalke for the 2004/05 season we finished runner-up. He was fired by former general manager Assauer because they didn't get along quite well. So his first stint at Schalke was pretty succesfull but pretty short, too. He then moved on to become manager of Hoffenheim. He led them from third division to the Bundesliga straight away. In Hoffenheim's first Bundesliga season they managed to finish on top at the end of the first half of the season but couldn't hold it and finished 7th at the end. The first half of the season has shown a Hoffenheim team that was just amazing. Quick passing, counter attacking and a high pressing defense. The best performance I've ever seen when it comes to quick transition play. Just brilliant. But they couldn't keep the pace and became more and more vulnerable at the back (they've been vulnerable at the back all season long but failed to score goals in the second half of the season).
When he came to us for a second short stint last year you could see right away the changes. We trashed Inter in the CL but went out of the tournament when we met a much better side (Man Utd.) in the semis. And then he resigned.
Ralf Rangnick speaks fluently English. He spent a year in England as a student in the late 70s. So language won't be a problem (he's got quite a German accent though). He's a big fan of the EPL and his managerial style will be having a big impact on the league. His philosophy has always been very offensive minded. High pressing, quick passing, quick vertical play, quick transition. He likes his players to chase the ball by 2 or 3 forcing the opponent to quickly give away the ball. Furthermore he's really into quick feeted and fast wingers. You see, he's really fokussing on playing the game in a straight way. No long balls, keeping the ball on the ground.
Unfortunately his teams were always a bit vulnerable at the back. But if you want to see spectacular football you've got the right manager. I dare to say you'll finish in the top ten next season.
I'll follow you next season to see how he'll be doing. Congrats and have good time.
A royal blue supporter (which means Schalke 04) from Germany.
Thanks for the kind words royal blue!
What are the reports like in Germany? Do they think he's still in negotiations with WBA or do they think he has the job?
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Welcome to all those from Germany.
One question, could you please tell us the correct way to pronounce his name as I have heard many different variations.
Thanks
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Welcome Schalke04FC and thank you for the information. It's great that German fans are taking the trouble to come here and post how much they rate Rangnick. Albion have a strong tradition for playing entertaining football, so it sounds like he would tick that particular box.
It will be a big let-down for many if this doesn't happen now - HAZ would have a lot to answer for!
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most are saying comfirmed wba manager now!!
http://www.goal.com/de/news/968/transfermarkt/2012/06/02/3143319/ralf-rangnick-%C3%BCbernimmt-wohl-das-ruder-bei-west-bromwich
Ralf Rank Nick takes over the helm probably at West Bromwich Albion
Ralf Rangnick, who resigned in September last year as coach of Schalke 04 because of a burn-out condition is, well before a commitment to West Bromwich Albion.
02.06.2012 12:19:00
By Alexander Brinkmann
More on: Schalke 04, West Bromwich, Ralf Rangnick
Schalke coach Ralf Rangnick ex-
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Hanover. Just over nine months was Ralf Rangnick back as coach of FC Schalke 04. The reason for burn-out. Now, according to information paves the Hannover Allgemeine Zeitung, a change in the English Premier League. There is Rangnick take over the coaching job at West Bromwich Albion.
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Yep reports coming from Ex-club Hannover that they are proud of Rangnick being appointed as Premier League manager for WBA
Do you mean from the club itself? Do you have a link for that?
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Welcome 1germanguy and hannover96 to the forum. I would like to know if Ralf plays attacking or defending football. What Roy brought to us was both and worked brilliantly. I have a feeling Ralf will do well following in the footsteps of the new England manager.
He loves attacking football! However, I guess he could change his style in certain situations. For instance, I do not believe that he would start with 3 strikers against Man City, Chelsea, Man United etc. ;)
When he worked at my home club, we were in the 2nd Bundesliga and in his first season, he was able to bring us in the Bundesliga with a mediocre side (after so many years missing) with an attacking style, which was awesome. Look at the standings of season 2001/2002, we scored 93 goals and achieved 75 points: http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/2bundesliga/spieltag/2-bundesliga/2001-02/0/0/spieltag.html
The next season in the Bundesliga he had to adapt his attacking style a little bit, because the lack of quality in our defense didn't allow us to maintain the attacking style. And in the years after he left our club, he was also successful and well-known for this attacking football. Imagine, he led Hoffenheim from the 4th division into the Bundesliga and in the first season of the Bundesliga, he was able to catch the "Herbstmeisterschaft". A term referring to the half of a season, before the winter break occurs (not known in England, but we in Germany have a break during the winter). This means he was on the first position after 17 games of 34.
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Yep reports coming from Ex-club Hannover that they are proud of Rangnick being appointed as Premier League manager for WBA
Is this new or just the HAZ article?
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Welcome 1germanguy and hannover96 to the forum. I would like to know if Ralf plays attacking or defending football. What Roy brought to us was both and worked brilliantly. I have a feeling Ralf will do well following in the footsteps of the new England manager.
hes a coach who wants his team to operate and not just to react. Pressing is the key word in his work. At Schalke we played quite often
4-1-3-2 .
Thank for your response. I must admit I had never heard of him until he was linked with Albion, because I don't really follow European football (either the European leagues or the Champions (sic) league) but, the more I read about him, the more I'm warming to him. Despite some articles talking about him being arrogant and a know-it-all, I thought he came over very well in the English interview before the Champions league semi-final that someone posted the link to the other day.
i can say that hes not arrogant. hes really calm and friendly. not a freak like Mourinho. He was called "professor" from the german media
and that describes him very well. Hes a down-to-earth- guy (dont know if thats correct english :) )
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A very warm welcome and big thank you to the German and more specifically Schalke supporters for the great input and insight into Ralf. I must say I'm very excited IF the news is true that he'll be appointed. Great to see the club appointing somebody who's a bit out there and giving them the chance to succeeded in England. Not that we should worry with the wonderful track record and achievements he has had over the years.
From all what has been said it looks like Ralf will endear himself with the fans immediately if his philosophy is to play offensive, attacking, attractive football.
Glück Ralf!
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Hey Baggies,
can't believe this is happening. I'm really happy for you. If rumours are true you made it to hire one of the best managers of the Bundesliga. As Hannover96 already stated he's pure class and I'm quite sad at the time because he won't be available for my club, Schalke 04 FC, anytime soon.
He resigned as Schalke manager in september last year due to a burnout syndrome. That was pretty frustrating for Schalke fans since he had a special bond with the club and the fans. When he first came to Schalke for the 2004/05 season we finished runner-up. He was fired by former general manager Assauer because they didn't get along quite well. So his first stint at Schalke was pretty succesfull but pretty short, too. He then moved on to become manager of Hoffenheim. He led them from third division to the Bundesliga straight away. In Hoffenheim's first Bundesliga season they managed to finish on top at the end of the first half of the season but couldn't hold it and finished 7th at the end. The first half of the season has shown a Hoffenheim team that was just amazing. Quick passing, counter attacking and a high pressing defense. The best performance I've ever seen when it comes to quick transition play. Just brilliant. But they couldn't keep the pace and became more and more vulnerable at the back (they've been vulnerable at the back all season long but failed to score goals in the second half of the season).
When he came to us for a second short stint last year you could see right away the changes. We trashed Inter in the CL but went out of the tournament when we met a much better side (Man Utd.) in the semis. And then he resigned.
Ralf Rangnick speaks fluently English. He spent a year in England as a student in the late 70s. So language won't be a problem (he's got quite a German accent though). He's a big fan of the EPL and his managerial style will be having a big impact on the league. His philosophy has always been very offensive minded. High pressing, quick passing, quick vertical play, quick transition. He likes his players to chase the ball by 2 or 3 forcing the opponent to quickly give away the ball. Furthermore he's really into quick feeted and fast wingers. You see, he's really fokussing on playing the game in a straight way. No long balls, keeping the ball on the ground.
Unfortunately his teams were always a bit vulnerable at the back. But if you want to see spectacular football you've got the right manager. I dare to say you'll finish in the top ten next season.
I'll follow you next season to see how he'll be doing. Congrats and have good time.
A royal blue supporter (which means Schalke 04) from Germany.
What an insightful post and welcome to the board. You're more than welcome on here to comment on our performances etc if you've watched us. Will certainly do the club well to expand our support into Germany!
We've had managers previously who placed their emphasis on attacking football and we kind of forgot that the defensive side exsisted. Roy Hodgson, our previous manager, took away some of that attacking flair in favour for some defensive organisation and fortunately for us, it was successful and we were guided to 11th and 10th place finishes. We were often criticial of the football we played so it might be nice to try the offensive style of play with better players. Roberto Di Matteo had us playing good football with results until he appeared to lose interest and discipline with the side. I do hope that if he's appointed, he recognises our improved defensive foundations and doesn't chuck them into the recycle bin.
Everything I hear about Ralf Rangnick just warms me to him. I really do hope we appoint him.
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Question to our German friends - did Hoffenheim spend a lot of money on players during their rise to success?
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Welcome to all those from Germany.
One question, could you please tell us the correct way to pronounce his name as I have heard many different variations.
Thanks
Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL3ukmX7OEU
Right in the beginning of the vid (first seconds).
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Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL3ukmX7OEU
Right in the beginning of the vid (first seconds).
Fantastic! Thank you, let's hope he now joins the club :)
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hes a coach who wants his team to operate and not just to react. Pressing is the key word in his work. At Schalke we played quite often 4-1-3-2 .
I must admit I've always been quite fond of that formation, although some Albion fans have become obsessed that it has to be 4-5-1 and nothing else could possibly work.
i can say that hes not arrogant. hes really calm and friendly. not a freak like Mourinho. He was called "professor" from the german media and that describes him very well. Hes a down-to-earth- guy (dont know if thats correct english :) )
Don't worry, your English is just fine! I picked up about him being regarded as arrogant from the ESPN article (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=609078&sec=europe&root=europe&cc=5739#)
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Apologies for the 20 questions, but what are his man-management skills like? Does he form close partnerships with his players or is there the chance that somewhere along the line he'll fall out with them? Also, what has his relationship been like with the chairman of previous clubs? Our chairman (Jeremy Peace) is quite ruthless and appears to be quite tight with the purse strings, he certainly won't spend over the odds on player. That's why we brought in the sporting and technical director to oversee player recruiment etc - will Ralf be able to work alongside that?
Apologies for the four or five questions in one post!
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Question to our German friends - did Hoffenheim spend a lot of money on players during their rise to success?
Yes they did, otherwise it wouldn't be possible to come from the 4th division to the Bundesliga. But nonetheless, it was not the money which allowed Hoffenheim to play such a great role in the Bundesliga (the budget was pretty low compared to Bayern, Schalke and other clubs). It was Rangnicks achievement to form an awesome attacking side.
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shalke 04 is now my german team.
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Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL3ukmX7OEU
When was that programme broadcast - he got a great prolonged round of applause from the audience there?! It's a pity that you can't get online audio translation yet! ;D
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http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/7791967/Rangnick-joins-Baggies-Report
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When was that programme broadcast - he got a great prolonged round of applause from the audience there?! It's a pity that you can't get online audio translation yet! ;D
it was in february. His first interview after his downtime
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Welcome to all the German fans who have popped up on the board.
I have just 1 question for you guys no doubt I think were getting a great manager (if he signs the dotted lines) I was just wondering how his teams are set up defensively. I'v heard he plays great football which excites me but under our last manager we really worked on the defensive side of the ball (something which has taken us pretty much 10 years to figure out how to do in the premier league). We have had managers in the past who liked to play football but the big downfall was the defensive side of the ball as unfortunately if you can't defend in the premier league as we have found out then it generally means the team will get relegated.
Just wondering if you guys could expand on how he likes his teams to set up defensively.
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Yes they did, otherwise it wouldn't be possible to come from the 4th division to the Bundesliga. But nonetheless, it was not the money which allowed Hoffenheim to play such a great role in the Bundesliga (the budget was pretty low compared to Bayern, Schalke and other clubs). It was Rangnicks achievement to form an awesome attacking side.
As LiamTheBaggie has indicated, without wanting to re-open a debate that has divided Albion fans a lot over the years, let's just say that our Chairman doesn't like to pay large transfer fees for players, preferring to rely on picking up cheaper "gems" based on an extensive scouting system. This has served us quite well, although I think it's dangerous to keep relying on being able to do that.
It's encouraging, therefore, that Rangnick was able to achieve what he did despite Hoffenheim not having a massive budget. Although we've finished 11th and 10th in the past 2 seasons, our budget is one of the smallest in the Premier League and is likely to continue that way.
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RR is now 1-5 on to become our new coach/manager. Looks very likely now.
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Yes we have a very small budget.
Our strength is in the fact that our scouting system is so good at the moment. We've uncovered some quality players with little money.
I suspect we can continue though under another manager.
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It's already confirmed in Germany, waiting for it to be announced in England now.
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One thing I am worried about is IF he gets the job, our backline may need a bit of improvement if he wants to play his style of football to the max.
Our centre backs don't have much pace and our fullbacks are more suited to aerial attacks rather than pass and move.
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So is this 100% done/signed?
Like Rodgers yesterday at Liverpool, just needs to dot the i's and t's?
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In case anyone is worried about this "burn-out" which caused Rangnick to leave Schalke, it wasn't merely psychological - he had serious physical problems:
"When he checked with the doctors, they also discovered concrete physical causes which had led him into exhaustion: an untreated glandular fever, a weakened immune system, extremely poor blood values. This high burden came after five exhausting years in Hoffenheim and unintentionally rapid return to work at Schalke in March 2011. Physical and mental stressors rocked up. Rangnick had indeed granted no breaks"
Source: Google translation from http://meinschalke.jimdo.com/2012/03/19/ralf-rangnick-wieder-zur%C3%BCck-im-tv/ (http://meinschalke.jimdo.com/2012/03/19/ralf-rangnick-wieder-zur%C3%BCck-im-tv/)
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TeamTalk are reporting the deal is done.
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/7791967/Rangnick-joins-Baggies-Report (http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/7791967/Rangnick-joins-Baggies-Report)
Won't believe it 'till it's on the Albion site though, would be a massive coup for us.
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It's already confirmed in Germany, waiting for it to be announced in England now.
Everything seems to be hinged on the HAZ report, with other reports adding "probably", "supposedly" etc. I'd like to see some other reports which are more definitive and not just quoting the HAZ report before I start to believe it.
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TeamTalk are reporting the deal is done.
That just looks to be picking up on these German reports though and doesn't come across as being definitive at all.
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Yes they did, otherwise it wouldn't be possible to come from the 4th division to the Bundesliga. But nonetheless, it was not the money which allowed Hoffenheim to play such a great role in the Bundesliga (the budget was pretty low compared to Bayern, Schalke and other clubs). It was Rangnicks achievement to form an awesome attacking side.
And it's actually not that easy to get promoted that rapidly just by spending tons of money. Look at Red Bull Leipzig, they failed again to promote to the 3rd division.
What Hoffenheim and Rangnick did, was just excellent scouting and excellent tactical work.
They brought in Carlos Eduardo for 7m Euro, sold him later on to Rubin Kazan for 20m (funny story: Rangnick told him that Hoffenheim is a big city with 1.5m inhabitants to make him move to Germany. In fact, it's a village).
They brought in Luiz Gustavo for 1m, sold him later on to Bayern for 20m - he's now a regular starter for the Bavarians.
They brought in Demba Ba for 3m - now one of the top scorers in the PL.
Another interesting story: When they bought Sigurdsson (now Swansea player), Rangnick said he never heard of him before. It was a suggestion of his son who went to an English college and had seen him play for Reading.
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Just said on Talksport that news coming out of Germany is RR has accepted WBA's offer.
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I see Baggie79 is around - what news from our side of things, mate?
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In case anyone is worried about this "burn-out" which caused Rangnick to leave Schalke, it wasn't merely psychological - he had serious physical problems
Maybe, but he's had a decent amount of time off to rest and presumably he feels healthy enough to work again, so I'm optimistic he'll be okay.
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Question to our German friends - did Hoffenheim spend a lot of money on players during their rise to success?
I'm sorry for the late answer but it's been quite a while that I've written in English and it takes some time.
As for your question: yes, Hoffenheim actually spent a lot of money to work their way into the Bundesliga. But to be fair EPL clubs have higher revenues than their German counterparts. I know WBA aren't big spenders.
Here you can check out the transfers that were done by Hoffenheim when Ralf was the manager.
Zugänge means Players coming in, Abgänge means players leaving the club.
On top of the page you can pick the seasons.
On the right side you can see the amount of money spent for each player (in € -> 1 € = 0,80 GBP)
http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/tsg-1899-hoffenheim/transfers/verein_533_2007.html
Last year at Schalke 04 Ralf didn't get the occasion to spend big money because we just didn't have it. Ralf wasn't quite amused about it since we sold Manuel Neuer to Bayern and got tons of money for him. But we're high in debts so we just had to put it all into that to reduce the debts.
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http://www.teamtalk.com/west-bromwich-albion/7791967/Rangnick-joins-Baggies-Repor
"Former Schalke and Stuttgart boss Ralf Rangnick has agreed to become West Brom's new manager, according to reports in Germany.
Albion held talks with Rangnick last month as they continued their search to find Roy Hodgson's successor.
And the 53-year-old is believed to have agreed a deal to take the managerial reins at The Hawthorns, having first met with Albion officials when a guest for the final home Premier League game against Arsenal on May 13.
Compensation was not an issue as Rangnick has been without a club since leaving Schalke eight months ago because of exhaustion.
He nudged ahead of Birmingham boss Chris Hughton after it emerged Blues were looking for around £2million in compensation.
Rangnick had two spells at Schalke, leading them to the semi-finals of the Champions League in 2010-11, in addition to a four-year stint at Hoffenheim."
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Welcome German Baggy - we'll be able to set up a German branch of the Albion Supporters Club at this rate! ;D
What Hoffenheim and Rangnick did, was just excellent scouting and excellent tactical work.
They brought in Carlos Eduardo for 7m Euro, sold him later on to Rubin Kazan for 20m (funny story: Rangnick told him that Hoffenheim is a big city with 1.5m inhabitants to make him move to Germany. In fact, it's a village).
They brought in Luiz Gustavo for 1m, sold him later on to Bayern for 20m - he's now a regular starter for the Bavarians.
They brought in Demba Ba for 3m - now one of the top scorers in the PL.
Ah, that will be music to our Chairman's ears!
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Maybe, but he's had a decent amount of time off to rest and presumably he feels healthy enough to work again, so I'm optimistic he'll be okay.
I was trying to be positive rather than negative about his illness - he says he's fighting fit again now and raring to go.
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I'm sorry for the late answer but it's been quite a while that I've written in English and it takes some time.
As for your question: yes, Hoffenheim actually spent a lot of money to work their way into the Bundesliga. But to be fair EPL clubs have higher revenues than their German counterparts. I know WBA aren't big spenders.
Here you can check out the transfers that were done by Hoffenheim when Ralf was the manager.
Zugänge means Players coming in, Abgänge means players leaving the club.
On top of the page you can pick the seasons.
On the right side you can see the amount of money spent for each player (in € -> 1 € = 0,80 GBP)
http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/tsg-1899-hoffenheim/transfers/verein_533_2007.html
Last year at Schalke 04 Ralf didn't get the occasion to spend big money because we just didn't have it. Ralf wasn't quite amused about it since we sold Manuel Neuer to Bayern and got tons of money for him. But we're high in debts so we just had to put it all into that to reduce the debts.
Many thanks to you and the other German posters for taking the trouble to do this. It would probably take me all week to write the above in German, but then again I only studied it for a year at school and that was more than 35 years ago! I'm off to look at the link you posted now.
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I think it might not be true still.
I know everyone is reporting it but there hasn't been anything solid to go by yet..
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Chris Lepkowski - "#wba insist there is nothing to report and no change at moment. German media still speculating. In any case, talks in final throes"
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Chris Lepkowski - "#wba insist there is nothing to report and no change at moment. German media still speculating. In any case, talks in final throes"
And that will bring us all back down to earth for the time being.
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And that will bring us all back down to earth for the time being.
Not sure exactly what "talks in final throes" means but to me that sounds like crossing the t's and dotting the i's. Fingers crossed we're close to an announcement now.
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Chris Lepkowski - "#wba insist there is nothing to report and no change at moment. German media still speculating. In any case, talks in final throes"
Sounds like this could still go pear-shaped then - it's happened with us before, although "final throes" is a much more positive statement about our discussions with him than has been made over the past few days in the UK regarding Rangnick.
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i think its done. but we wont get a official announcement until next week
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i think its done. but we wont get a official announcement until next week
What makes you say that? The Bank holiday?
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What makes you say that? The Bank holiday?
If we've chosen who we want, we need to make sure we get him now without further delay. Bank holidays should be irrelevant in the circumstances.
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1/6 now on skybet,hope someone knows more than us
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Apologies for the 20 questions, but what are his man-management skills like? Does he form close partnerships with his players or is there the chance that somewhere along the line he'll fall out with them? Also, what has his relationship been like with the chairman of previous clubs? Our chairman (Jeremy Peace) is quite ruthless and appears to be quite tight with the purse strings, he certainly won't spend over the odds on player. That's why we brought in the sporting and technical director to oversee player recruiment etc - will Ralf be able to work alongside that?
Apologies for the four or five questions in one post!
all i can say that hes a teamplayer who always had a good relationship to his players. Never heard anything bad about his man-management skills or any disputes with players. Hes someone who always supports young and talented players.
In Hoffenheim he had a dispute with the owner of the club , Dietmar Hopp who sold gustavo to Bayern although Rangnick
wanted to keep him at Hoffenheim.
I think he will talk to your chairman about new transfers etc. and whats possible before he signs the contract, so i dont expect any
problems concerning that.
Trust me, hes a great guy and you will like him as much as we did in Schalke
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Apologies for the 20 questions, but what are his man-management skills like? Does he form close partnerships with his players or is there the chance that somewhere along the line he'll fall out with them? Also, what has his relationship been like with the chairman of previous clubs? Our chairman (Jeremy Peace) is quite ruthless and appears to be quite tight with the purse strings, he certainly won't spend over the odds on player. That's why we brought in the sporting and technical director to oversee player recruiment etc - will Ralf be able to work alongside that?
Apologies for the four or five questions in one post!
man-mangement: It's been said he couldn't handle the big names in his teams and at one point in the future he would be falling out with them. I think that's not right. When he came to Schalke last year Raúl and him didn't quite click. So there was this rumour about Raúl leaving because of Ralf. But to be fair Ralfs was implementing a style of play that was completely the opposite of Raúl's past team play. Raúl isn't a player who loves to pressure the opponent. But in the end everything worked out and they got along.
Ralf loves to work with young talents, developing them into really good players. He's not a Mourinho, he's rather reserved but still highly rated within the teams he managed. Lewis Holtby, a young German talent -> his father is a former English Service Man, was crying when Ralf announced he's leaving.
As for the relationship with the board: Ralf has his own mind and he strongly believes in his philosophy. He was falling out with our former gerneral manager Assauer because he sensed that he was not respected. In Hoffenheim Ralf left because he was fed up with the general management and its influence in the transfers. They just sold the most important player of the team to Bayern (Gustavo) without consulting Ralf. They just sold him and Ralf got to know the news by a journalist. That was just annoying and Ralf felt it's time to leave. Well, Ralf likes to have a say in the transfers. But I really think he learned a lot from the past. He said last year that when he started working as a manager he wanted to do it all. But that was so time consuming that he had to let go a bit and assign someone else to do do the scouting, physical therapy for the players etc. Today he just focuses on the job.
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man-mangement: It's been said he couldn't handle the big names in his teams and at one point in the future he would be falling out with them. I think that's not right. When he came to Schalke last year Raúl and him didn't quite click. So there was this rumour about Raúl leaving because of Ralf. But to be fair Ralfs was implementing a style of play that was completely the opposite of Raúl's past team play. Raúl isn't a player who loves to pressure the opponent. But in the end everything worked out and they got along.
Ralf loves to work with young talents, developing them into really good players. He's not a Mourinho, he's rather reserved but still highly rated within the teams he managed. Lewis Holtby, a young German talent -> his father is a former English Service Man, was crying when Ralf announced he's leaving.
As for the relationship with the board: Ralf has his own mind and he strongly believes in his philosophy. He was falling out with our former gerneral manager Assauer because he sensed that he was not respected. In Hoffenheim Ralf left because he was fed up with the general management and its influence in the transfers. They just sold the most important player of the team to Bayern (Gustavo) without consulting Ralf. They just sold him and Ralf got to know the news by a journalist. That was just annoying and Ralf felt it's time to leave. Well, Ralf likes to have a say in the transfers. But I really think he learned a lot from the past. He said last year that when he started working as a manager he wanted to do it all. But that was so time consuming that he had to let go a bit and assign someone else to do do the scouting, physical therapy for the players etc. Today he just focuses on the job.
Sounds ideal for our situation then not much money but a great scouting department and a savvy owner. George Thorne must be creaming his pants at this appointment
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Just tried to lay £500 on Paddypower, REFUSED. :P
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A big welcome to our friends from Germany :)
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I think he probaly has agreed to be our manager , but He wont sign the contract until next week.
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Big decision for Ralf and his family though assuming they all come to England, considering he got kids at age's that probably would not want to move. There is no big rush for us to appoint at the moment, so have probably give him the time to decide, hence the time its taking. Not really worth giving him a harsh deadline considering we are in no rush really, its more likely going to have a negative effect.
If he does decide not to come to us I think our back-up plan would be to get on the phone straight to Birmingham, I hope Ralf though does choose us, I think he would be a nice fit and ideal reading what has been written by these fans from Germany (thanks allot), and also seems to be the clubs no1 choice.
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the thought of him wanting to bring up young players excites me, we have a number in the squad who may be given a chance next season ;D
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im hoping that ralf will sign as his chapions league experience shows what a capable coach he is! also thanks to our german friends for their information :D
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Chris Lepkowski - "#wba insist there is nothing to report and no change at moment. German media still speculating. In any case, talks in final throes"
isn't he on holiday?
so how would he know other than third hand.
Also i reckon he is out of the loop at the club at the moment... he has seemed to have had not too good a record so far
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Welcome German Baggy - we'll be able to set up a German branch of the Albion Supporters Club at this rate! ;D
Yes, another German Invasion :o
I think it just shows that there a lot of people in Germany who have the highest respect for Rangnick, because he's dedicated, smart, quiet, but not without charisma. When he left Hoffenheim, I think it was not just because they sold Gustavo but because he felt mistreated as they didn't even inform him. A lof of people had respect for that decision. Actually Hoffenheim are one of the most hated clubs in Germany because of their sugar daddy (not the sheik-type but still...), however, that didn't affect the sympathy for Rangnick at all.
Anyways, for me this would be like a dream come true: He's one of my favourite managers and WBA are my favourite English club. Fingers crossed, see you.
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Latest from Chris Lepkowski via twitter " WBA still insist no one has been 'offered' the job. Excuse my cynicism but I'm smiling as I type that.....all about interpretation"
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man-mangement: It's been said he couldn't handle the big names in his teams and at one point in the future he would be falling out with them.
That won't affect us anyway, we don't have any 'big names'.
Welcome Germans by the way, great English, it's embarrassing that us Brits can only just about speak our own language let alone another.
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Latest from Chris Lepkowski via twitter " WBA still insist no one has been 'offered' the job. Excuse my cynicism but I'm smiling as I type that.....all about interpretation"
Its good that we come out and say we have not offered him the job even if we have, if he turns turn us down we can go get Hughton and say he was always our number 1. :D
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That won't affect us anyway, we don't have any 'big names'.
Welcome Germans by the way, great English, it's embarrassing that us Brits can only just about speak our own language let alone another.
Speak for yourself, I talk Gibberish all the time & perfect Flemish when I'm drunk :P
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Latest from Chris Lepkowski via twitter " WBA still insist no one has been 'offered' the job. Excuse my cynicism but I'm smiling as I type that.....all about interpretation"
So are we saying something like this is going on?
JP - So Ralf, what would your response be if we offered you the job?
RR - I don't know, I'd have to think about it.
JP - OK, have a few days thought and let us know what your respsone would be if we offered you the job.
FEW DAYS LATER
RR - Hi JP, thanks but no thanks.
JP then tells the press that no one has been offered the job and it would be technically true.
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the thought of him wanting to bring up young players excites me, we have a number in the squad who may be given a chance next season ;D
Yes, that was actually the reason we appointed him when our last manager Magath left (or was kicked out due to his controversial transfer plan or as I call it not having a fecking clue who to bring in). We have a pretty young squad with very young homegrown talents and other young talents we brought in (Höwedes - CB and German International, Matip - CB and Cameroon International, Draxler - Left Winger and German International, Papadopoulos CB and DM - Greek International and a freakin' beast, watch him at the Euros) and big stars (Huntelaar, Farfan). When Ralf was appointed he immediately brought in the young players into the starting line-up. So he really is into young talents that he can turn into big players. But that's the downside: he relied to much on young players. The first games of last season were spectacular but we completely played out of balance. He installed Papadopoulos (then 19) as Defensive Midfielder (DM) and ignored the better solution on that position Jermaine Jones (US International and former Blackburn player). The matches were always a bit of run and gun and nice to watch (high score line games). I think he would've eventually adapted his approach because the way we played in the beginning it would've been impossible to succeed. But we'll never know because of his illness.
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Latest from Chris Lepkowski via twitter " WBA still insist no one has been 'offered' the job. Excuse my cynicism but I'm smiling as I type that.....all about interpretation"
What's the saying? Never believe anything until it's been officially denied!
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He's sleeping on it for a few days? Is he in a coma?
thanks for the sarcastic welcome but i still think im right he l be ours ,if it fits him,by wenesday.seems to be a perfect fit hope it goes through.
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thanks for the sarcastic welcome but i still think im right he l be ours ,if it fits him,by wenesday.seems to be a perfect fit hope it goes through.
It was only a joke.
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It was only a joke.
You're a disgrace Pigeons. ;D
Anyway looking at all the odds they are extremely short now. He better get the job now.
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Hi, another german Schalke supporter just wants to congratulate you, if Ralf joins your club. He's one of the best german managers and I think that an EPL club of your reputation will work best for him to get a fresh start.
Some of you asked if he is able to recruit some of the germans gems for your side. Well, I really hope so, because the youth facilities in germany improved a lot the past 10 years and there are some really hot prospects around. It would be interisting to see how young german talents adopt to Premier League Football and in general I would say that germans talents have the best price-performance ration in Europe.
I don't know much about your transfer budget, but some good (and somewhat realistic) prospects are Esswein (Nürnberg / Attacking Midfielder Left), Chandler (Nürnberg, Full Back Right), Kirchhoff (Mainz, Central Defender), Clemens (Köln, Attacking Midfielder Right), Beister (Hamburg, Attacking Midfielder Right), Baumann (Freiburg, Goal Keeper), Prib (Fürth, Central Midfield), Sararer (Fürth, Attacking Midfielder Right).
There are some elder player as well like Baumjohann (Schalke) who needs to get some first team football to resume their career and if you need a new goal keeper you have the agony of choice in 1./2. Bundesliga ;)
I wish you all the best in your next season and hopefully Ralf get an agreement with your club.
PS: If you have some spare time than watch Inter vs Schalke. It was one of the first matches since his return to Schalke last year. Legendary stuff!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhzgfd_inter-milan-v-schalke-04_sport?start=4
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Hi, another german Schalke supporter just wants to congratulate you, if Ralf joins your club. He's one of the best german managers and I think that an EPL club of your reputation will work best for him to get a fresh start.
I don't know much about your transfer budget, but some good (and somewhat realistic) prospects are Esswein (Nürnberg / Attacking Midfielder Left), Chandler (Nürnberg, Full Back Right), Kirchhoff (Mainz, Central Defender), Clemens (Köln, Attacking Midfielder Right), Beister (Hamburg, Attacking Midfielder Right), Baumann (Freiburg, Goal Keeper), Prib (Fürth, Central Midfield), Sararer (Fürth, Attacking Midfielder Right).
Welcome, Stan, and thank you for taking the trouble to provide this information. I haven't checked, but I can't recall that we've ever signed a German player from a German club, so that might be a first for us should it happen. Uwe Rosler played for us some years ago, but that's another story!
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5-2 in Milan was a great result Stan, if he come to us, hope we get results like that !!
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Are their any reports yet that aren't solely based on the HAZ article?
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Hamburg have a great relationship with Rangers (or the football club formerly known as...) so may I be the first to suggest a little mutual agreement that if Schalke fans are willing to keep an eye on us and support us, we can get a little friendship going?
I for one am salivating at the thought of having a highly efficient German in charge of the club. Here's to the Schalke 04 vs West Brom CL final 2014.
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Nice to see so many German friends coming to speak with us, I hope you will all stay in touch and adopt West Bromwich Albion as your English team, so much more tasteful than the Manchester and London clubs. ;D
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He hasn't even agreed to the job yet.
I feel some people are getting too excited. Sorry, but I don't think it'll happen. I really want to be proved wrong but seeing as Albion have denied the reports it might not happen.
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JP deserves another HUGE pat on the back if he pulls this off! Really exciting news, the thought of Dawson, Thorne, Hurst, Wood etc having a potential starting spot next season really brings a smile to my face :)
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JP deserves another HUGE pat on the back if he pulls this off! Really exciting news, the thought of Dawson, Thorne, Hurst, Wood etc having a potential starting spot next season really brings a smile to my face :)
we would get slaughtered if we put all of those out at the same time :o
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Are their any reports yet that aren't solely based on the HAZ article?
german kicker (very serious paper) of today:
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/intligen/startseite/569740/artikel_rangnick-steht-vor-engagement-bei-west-bromwich.html
their article is not based on the HAZ rumour.
cliffs:
- Rangnick rejected an offer from RSC Anderlecht on tuesday and an offer from Besiktas Istanbul last week
- kicker says that they have their own information that Rangnick has a serious offer from West Bromwich Albion
- Rangnicks consultant Oliver Mintzlaff confirms that Ralf is in conversations with West Bromwich but no decision is made yet
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Welcome, Stan, and thank you for taking the trouble to provide this information. I haven't checked, but I can't recall that we've ever signed a German player from a German club, so that might be a first for us should it happen. Uwe Rosler played for us some years ago, but that's another story!
Well, you have an austrian player as I've seen, which is not too far away from Germany;)
In general I wondered for many years why it is that no EPL club wants to sign german talents? You hire french, spanish and italian talents for lots of money, but you'll get some hot prospects in Bundesliga as well for lesser money.
BTW, I know that lots of english football fans rate Marko Marin (Chelsea) very high, but he is one of the most overrated footballer in recent years. I suppose he will have no impact for Chelsea.
5-2 in Milan was a great result Stan, if he come to us, hope we get results like that !!
You are guaranteed to see some entertaining matches as well :). The first time he was at Schalke we played some boring, but successful football with a well organised defence. As he took over we played the best football to watch for many years.
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The first time he was at Schalke we played some boring, but successful football with a well organised defence. As he took over we played the best football to watch for many years.
sounds familiar....
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JP deserves another HUGE pat on the back if he pulls this off! Really exciting news, the thought of Dawson, Thorne, Hurst, Wood etc having a potential starting spot next season really brings a smile to my face :)
We'd have the youngest team in the Championship the following season if these lads were thrown in together.
Solid Premier teams cant afford to have too many inexperienced players in the team at the same time....just ask the vile
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I may be wrong but I have a funny feeling that we will still get Hughton ;)
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JP deserves another HUGE pat on the back if he pulls this off! Really exciting news, the thought of Dawson, Thorne, Hurst, Wood etc having a potential starting spot next season really brings a smile to my face :)
Let's not get too carried away at the prospect of young players suddenly appearing in the side next season. It all depends on if they're good enough and I'm not sure that any of the above are (with the exception of Dawson).
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I almost forgot about it: thanks for the warm welcome on here. I'd love to see the deal happening because I truly believe it would do good if a German manager succeeded in the EPL. I always had a feeling that Bundesliga players and managers are a bit underrated in England (that's probably because German clubs didn't win anything in the past 10 years).
And something just came into my mind again. When Germans talk about managers nowadays there's always the term Konzepttrainer involved which means managers having a clear concept of their style of play. Ralf Rangnick is pretty much the father of that kind of idea in Germany. He said that he learnt from Milan's manager Arigo Sacchi and Valeriy Lobanovskyi (manager of Dynamo Kiev and the national team of the USSR), both having an enormous impact on modern football. He highly rates the idea of defending and attacking as a Team which means each player has to run a lot, like really a lot.
In Germany Borussia Dortmund dominated the Bundesliga for the last couple of years. When Ralle (that's how we call him at Schalke) was asked about Dortmund in the last summer he highly praised manager Jürgen Klopp who is the man behind Dortmund's current success. Last year there was endless discussions about our own financial situation and how we can get out of the dilemma (over 200 mill. in debt). Dortmund found themselves in the same spot some years ago and when Klopp came into the club he installed his own system step by step (using predominately young players and make them run like hell). And I think Ralf was so much impressed by Dortmund's achievements that he took them as a bench mark and he was going to "revolutionize" my club. Dortmund's (Klopp's) style of play is very similar to Ralf's image of an ideal football concept but Klopp took it to another level. High aggressiveness and high pressure on the opponent over 90 minutes. Dortmund's players are like a hungry wolf pack constantly chasing the ball and running all the time (off and on the ball). But with Raúl and some other players on the team it was quite hard to implement such a style.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ralf (if he signs the contract) implemented the same type of style at WBA and got rid of older players. I usually watch only the big teams in the prem and I can't really say there's a team having that kind of aggressiveness (which doesn't mean it's bad giving the fact that Dortmund completely messed up the CL last season due to playing stupidly and inefficiently and Chelsea as the CL winner).
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Blimey it's nice to see some football fans with a brain, very useful insight Schalke, thanks a lot!
God forbid you ever have the misfortune to talk to Liverpool fans, they're moronic.
He obviously sounds very ambitious, but at the same time seems to want to build a club around his plans which I think we need at the moment to push us forward as a club. Do you think he'd want to use us as a stepping stone to better things? Or would he be happy to build up a relationship with the club and fans?
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a big thanks to the German lads for their input.
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Thank You to hannover96 and 1germanguy for your info. It's now clear that he likes attacking football. I just hope he doesn't go too attacking against a team like QPR or Reading and leave the defence vunerable. Mind you we do need some more/new defenders.
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Thanks to our German friends on here I'm liking what I hear about Ralf Rangnick.
Although Germany have been our main rivals in International football I have always had a respect for their never-say-die spirit, amazing workrate and their will to win.
If Rangnick can bring in those qualities to the Albion as well as the type of football our German friends have said he plays then I'm sure we'll be happy and successful.
Come on JP lets get it done.
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Thanks to our German friends on here I'm liking what I hear about Ralf Rangnick.
Although Germany have been our main rivals in International football I have always had a respect for their never-say-die spirit, amazing workrate and their will to win.
If Rangnick can bring in those qualities to the Albion as well as the type of football our German friends have said he plays then I'm sure we'll be happy and successful.
Come on JP lets get it done.
It's odd how all us England fans have a fierce rivalry with the Germans but they could not give a damn about us!
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sounds great until he decides to cry off tired again.
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It would be wonderful to see modern football at The Hawthorns again, I really suffered at times last season.
I'm still battling with myself not to get my hopes up that we do get "Ralle" :) he is exactly the kind of coach I haven't dared dream we could get. Hoping against hope we do get him, but resigned we might end up with someone of far less talent and imagination >_<
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It's odd how all us England fans have a fierce rivalry with the Germans but they could not give a damn about us!
They didnt really care when they thumped us in the last World Cup?
Also they weren't that bothered when we tonked them 5-1 in 2001?
I'll be amazed if they were bothered about us but maybe they'll tell us otherwise.
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I love the way our German friends are talking about the bigger picture, puts some of our fans to shame and shows them up for the short termists they are.
Hopefully the deal gets sealed and we continue to be educated by their superior atitude, application and vision.
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sounds great until he decides to cry off tired again.
The guy was ill and were it not for that illness I am fairly sure he would be still at Schalke and nowhere near the Albion job
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sounds great until he decides to cry off tired again.
You needn't worry about that happening since it's going to be Appleton, right?
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They didnt really care when they thumped us in the last World Cup?
Also they weren't that bothered when we tonked them 5-1 in 2001?
I'll be amazed if they were bothered about us but maybe they'll tell us otherwise.
They don't see us as a rival like we do them. Of course they were bothered about the above, but to them we are just another team. Argentina on the other hand...
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Blimey it's nice to see some football fans with a brain, very useful insight Schalke, thanks a lot!
God forbid you ever have the misfortune to talk to Liverpool fans, they're moronic.
He obviously sounds very ambitious, but at the same time seems to want to build a club around his plans which I think we need at the moment to push us forward as a club. Do you think he'd want to use us as a stepping stone to better things? Or would he be happy to build up a relationship with the club and fans?
He's very ambitious. As it was already discussed on here, Ralf's called "professor" by some medias. And that's not a compliment because he used to stand out from his manager colleagues. He's never been a good player and never made it to play for a Bundesliga club. Instead he decided to go to university and become a teacher (PE). He's very intelligent and 10-15 years ago that was something new in Germany. Considering the football branch it was kinda irritating and maybe intimidating to have a manager that was actually highly educated. However he became famous when he explained on German TV the advantages of having a back four (LB,CB,CB,RB) and zonal defense. At that time German club sides still played with 3 defenders at the back and one sweeper (libero) and the opponent was marked man to man which was completely out of fashion. The result of Ralf's media appearence: he was laughed at by the media and by his fellow managers. Germany was simply not ready yet and so he was called the professor.
Considering his 5 years at Hoffenheim (small club, small town) it shows he loves to build a club's structure and loves to have a real influence on the team (not implying that WBA need a structure nor a new build-up). So it'd say it all depends on what Mr. Peace can offer him. And I don't mean the salary but the club's prospect in the future. If Mr. Peace is happy with the current situation, Ralf will most likely say no. You finished 10th last season with a small budget. It's a challenge to grab a EL spot but it's not impossible. Ralf is very well linked in Germany and I bet he'll try to lure some German talents to WBA. Ralf needs to have the feeling of being respected and recognised. If the board makes important decisions and goes over Ralf's head then he'll look for a way out. I really can see him stay longterm if the conditions fit him.
On the other side I think no one could blame him if the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool etc. offered him the manager job and he would leave (that doesn't sound right - correct me please). But that's just too far away in the future to tell.
I haven't watched many games of WBA in the past (well actually none or I just don't remeber - sorry). But with Ralf as a manager I'll definetely support WBA (and Arsenal) and who knows where this will lead to.
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The more I read the more I want RR as new manager.
Sounds exciting, he has a very good pedigree and standing but one thing that comes across is he wants to be the boss and make the major decisions re transfers etc.
I was thinking how does this fit in with Dan Ashworth?
Although I really now want RR in as manager I really do not want Ashworth to be forced out somehow, he has done wonders for this club
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They don't see us as a rival like we do them. Of course they were bothered about the above, but to them we are just another team. Argentina on the other hand...
its offtopic but i can say that matches against England and the Netherlands are the most important games for every german football fan .
These matches are always special
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Thank's again to you German lads. Quality material coming from you guys & it really does make you hope it happens!
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As Schalke 04 in the next manager forum just said, he feels Ralf would want to be respected and not have decisions go over his head. From what I can make out that would be similar to how Roy would see working with a club and he got on fine with the whole Sporting Director in place.
Peace may not give him much money to play with but I don't think many decisions will be done without Ralf around, hence no transfers before we get him (or anyone else for that matter) in.
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Rangnick has worked with a Director of football before you know, it'll be identicle to Ashworth's relationship with Hodgson. As long as Dan doesn't start buying guys behing Ralf's back then it'll be rosy
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its offtopic but i can say that matches against England and the Netherlands are the most important games for every german football fan .
These matches are always special
Well I got told ;) Just contradicts what sports journalists, some bloggers and other Germans say.
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Would just like to echo the thanks to you guys for coming on here and giving us your thoughts. It's been pretty amazing to get an insight and your English is perfect.
I think the Bundesliga is the best run league in the world and there's lessons we should all be taking from the teams there. I really hope we're lucky enough to get Ralf on board, would be exciting times.
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I just think in Peace and Ashworth we can trust them to make the right decision, I've enjoyed reading the thread and seeing the opinions of the fans, especially the Germans.
I am quite excited by the prospect of RR so will be very satisfied with the appointment if that's who we end up with.
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Thank's again to you German lads. Quality material coming from you guys & it really does make you hope it happens!
i really hope this happens. Ralf at West Bromwich, our german internationals Podolski and Mertesacker at Arsenal. Hummels
is linked to ManU. Iam really looking foward to the new PL Season
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Also the Shalke Fan said this
But I really think he learned a lot from the past. He said last year that when he started working as a manager he wanted to do it all. But that was so time consuming that he had to let go a bit and assign someone else to do do the scouting, physical therapy for the players etc. Today he just focuses on the job.
I think that's why him and Dan will work well together.
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They don't see us as a rival like we do them. Of course they were bothered about the above, but to them we are just another team. Argentina on the other hand...
Oh, yes we do. Not only that I love watching the matches against England but also the build up before the kick-off (especially english media). In fact we do not really care about friendlies. What matters is the wc and the euros. I have to admit (and it's really true) I forgot about the defeat against England in Munich (couldn't watch the game because I was abroad but noticed the result) and when I stumbled over the result accidentally a few years later I was totally surprised but didn't care since it was just a friendly. We rate you very high because many Germans feel attracted by the english/british way of life (except the royal stuff - I don't really get that), especially the language and your laid back attitude are appealing to me. On the other hand it seems that this is just a one way street.
Apart from England our biggest rivals in football would be the Netherlands and Italy (the team against we always lose in tournaments), maybe Argentina as well. Spain are getting more and more annoying since we lost out to them in the euros and the wc. But England, that's special.
Edit. It's a rivalry but probably for us different since we won all the important matches since 1966. I can imagine you "hating" (too strong) the German side as we don't really like Italy.
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Edit. It's a rivalry but probably for us different since we won all the important matches. I can imagine you "hating" (too strong) the German side as we don't really like Italy.
Yes, we won all the important matches - like the '66 final...
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I know this topic has gone off on a tangent, but I think its perhaps worthwhile. Do people in Germany recognise West Brom? Or has our image/reputation risen since talk of Ralf Rangnick joining us?
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Oh, yes we do. Not only that I love watching the matches against England but also the build up before the kick-off (especially english media). In fact we do not really care about friendlies. What matters is the wc and the euros. I have to admit (and it's really true) I forgot about the defeat against England in Munich (couldn't watch the game because I was abroad but noticed the result) and when I stumbled over the result accidentally a few years later I was totally surprised but didn't care since it was just a friendly. We rate you very high because many Germans feel attracted by the english/british way of life (except the royal stuff - I don't really get that), especially the language and your laid back attitude are appealing to me. On the other hand it seems that this is just a one way street.
Apart from England our biggest rivals in football would be the Netherlands and Italy (the team against we always lose in tournaments), maybe Argentina as well. Spain are getting more and more annoying since we lost out to them in the euros and the wc. But England, that's special.
Edit. It's a rivalry but probably for us different since we won all the important matches. I can imagine you "hating" (too strong) the German side as we don't really like Italy.
Certainly not a one way street, I love some german food and beer, Spargel Season in the Rhine valley ;)
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I know this topic has gone off on a tangent, but I think its perhaps worthwhile. Do people in Germany recognise West Brom? Or has our image/reputation rose since talk of Ralf Rangnick joining us?
I know we have just complimented our German frieends on their english - but reputation rose/ surely risen ;D
sorry pedant :(
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I know this topic has gone off on a tangent, but I think its perhaps worthwhile. Do people in Germany recognise West Brom? Or has our image/reputation rose since talk of Ralf Rangnick joining us?
I'm a baggie because of my uncle (and the Hawthorns :D). But when I talk about WBA with my friends they aren't interested. United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, maybe Tottenham - the rest is irrelevant. For most football fans the Bundesliga is enough. If they are interested in foreign football, it's all about Barca, Real, United, etc. Nobody cares about Stoke City although Robert Huth is a very important player for them. But if Rangnick really joins the baggies, I think the interest might grow, like for example if they get a good result against Chelsea, German media will write about it à la "Rangnick beat Chelsea". But as of now WBA, Stoke, Villa, Wigan etc. don't exist in the mind of a German. Sad but true.
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Certainly not a one way street, I love some german food and beer, Spargel Season in the Rhine valley ;)
I second this, great culture, friendly people, boobs shown on the TV all day long ;D. Had some very good times in Germany on holiday. I would say the most impressive thing however is the way the football is run over there. Far cheaper ticket prices and as a result more fans watch their games (in the stadium) than any other league in Europe. Hopefully we will follow this example as we expand the hawthorns and reduce ticket prices.
I have been impressed by the knowledgeable debate over our prospective new manager. It has been superb to get a real firsthand insight into Ralf and his brand of football.
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They don't see us as a rival like we do them. Of course they were bothered about the above, but to them we are just another team. Argentina on the other hand...
Club not country :D
Germanys arch enemies are the Netherland followed by your "unsuccessfully" country ;).
But nowadays it's not as intense as it was in the 80/90s. Especially WC 90 in Italy was immense. Good old times :)
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well i've worked for the day and come back to this it's not what i expected at all. All you German fans have put amazing posts up not just about Ralph/WBA but football in general and if we get this guy as manager, and maybe even if we don't, i feel i might just have to follow the Bundesliga next year!
To me it all sounds like its all in place, probably some complications due to this long bank holiday weekend but i'm feeling pretty optimistic now, can't wait to see him in place...
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Whoever comes in has got loads to do. If what you read is true we will need a new spine of the team. A tough season lied ahead I fear
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I second this, great culture, friendly people, boobs shown on the TV all day long ;D. Had some very good times in Germany on holiday. I would say the most impressive thing however is the way the football is run over there. Far cheaper ticket prices and as a result more fans watch their games (in the stadium) than any other league in Europe. Hopefully we will follow this example as we expand the hawthorns and reduce ticket prices.
I have been impressed by the knowledgeable debate over our prospective new manager. It has been superb to get a real firsthand insight into Ralf and his brand of football.
Thirded, lovely people, had some great trips to Germany.
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Let's not get too carried away at the prospect of young players suddenly appearing in the side next season. It all depends on if they're good enough and I'm not sure that any of the above are (with the exception of Dawson).
Thorne has looked pretty good in the prem games when he's appeared - seems he had one dodgy game against Cardiff and left doubts in some minds. Very good prospect.
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Reports on twitter says ralph has signed but nothing official web site yet?
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Dan Ashworth will have been heavily involved in the discussions to offer RR a Contract. I am quite sure that RR is under no illusions as to where Dan Ashworth sits in this Club of ours and will have been told how both JP and DA see the partnership working.
I would hope that RR joins us with his eyes wide open and embraces that working relationship that has proved very successful for us in recent years. Please don't underestimate the role Dan Ashworth has played in the success of our Football Club.
This is the "next level" some of us have talked about, well done to WBA if they pull it off. ;D ;D
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well i've worked for the day and come back to this it's not what i expected at all. All you German fans have put amazing posts up not just about Ralph/WBA but football in general and if we get this guy as manager, and maybe even if we don't, i feel i might just have to follow the Bundesliga next year!
It's a great league. The crowds are loud and the football is exciting. It's too bad you didn't get a chance to see Rangnick's Hoffenheim side -- very exciting stuff. I just wish I had a favourite club. I can't pick one at random. ???
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sounds great until he decides to cry off tired again.
When's Appleton signing then?
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Damn, dragged on so long I know I'm going to miss the news with going on Holiday tomorrow; hope it drags on another week so I'm here for the news when I get back ;D
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When's Appleton signing then?
I know, I'm looking forward to that also.
Albion are cheap, slow and not trying... did you not hear?! We're still playing Port Vale and Grimsby and Walsall....
Welcome to all the German visitors, hope you'll stay for the party When/If Ralf signs.
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News on RR coming up on SSN, "What Albion have to say". Probably a denial of job offer.
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We have not offered the job to anyone according to SSN.
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We have not offered the job to anyone according to SSN.
That's probably just a technicality. We won't officially offer until we're certain he'll say yes. Once he's told us he wants it we'll officially offer it.
Plus, Sky just make stuff up and are inept. Didn't they claim QPR offered us £5mill for Foster earlier?!
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On their iPhone app they say he is the new manager! I was just saying what they said not what I think about it.
For what it's worth, I think the job's his if he wants it, and we'll find out after the jubilee weekend.
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just read an article 'claiming' ralf rangnick met with the club before the arsenal game! and that german reports say it is already a done deal.
my opinion is id be very happy if this is true
hughton a step backwards for me and mowbray, laughable.
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just read an article 'claiming' ralf rangnick met with the club before the arsenal game! and that german reports say it is already a done deal.
my opinion is id be very happy if this is true
hughton a step backwards for me and mowbray, laughable.
If he met at the arsenal game then this surely has to be the longest manager race nearly 4 weeks. Just to iron out a contract?
I hope he signs he looks like he has a good track record & will bring something different to us as a club!
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If he met at the arsenal game then this surely has to be the longest manager race nearly 4 weeks. Just to iron out a contract?
I hope he signs he looks like he has a good track record & will bring something different to us as a club!
As far as I understand it's true that RR was invited to the Baggies around 11/12th May and was present at the game against Arsenal.
Sorry I don't have the link to the article but will try and find it if required but I'm sure it has been posted earlier in this thread.
All good things come to those who wait!
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im sick of flippin waiting, as we drift on without a rudder we are in danger of losing our best players
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im sick of flippin waiting, as we drift on without a rudder we are in danger of losing our best players
We are not drifting without a rudder. I simply don't get why people panic?
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I have some great times in Germany. Two stand out ones for me were the German beer festival in Munchen and the World Cup. German people were superb and the organisation was outstanding. Visited the old Bayern Munich stadium and since then have always kept an eye out for their results. Would be good to have a manager that could link the two top leagues!!
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6 of us toured germany for the world cup and it totally changed our opinion. What a great country and people. Had the best trip ever. Im even considering moving to frankfurt with work. So a huge welcome to our new friends.
Hope rr signs and you stay with us.
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I must admit i had never heard of Ralf Rangnick until a couple of weeks ago when i saw that he had been interviewed on the first occasion.Thanks to our friendly German visitors who took the time to visit and give information not onl of Ralf but of Schalke and the Bundesliga my view of both is much clearer.
I am very impressed with what i have heard about Ralf so far,but i have to say the longer this drags on the more chance he has of getting a better offer elsewhere.
I hope the interest in our club in Germany will continue if the worst happens as i am sure some of our fans will know take an interest in the Bundesliga.
Just to let you know what type of club Ralf would be joining should he decide to come to the Hawthorns.
West Bromwich Albion;
One of the original 12 founder members of the English Football League.
The first club to win the FA Cup with an all English side,later repeated.
The first English club to score over 100 League goals in one season.
Joint shared highest number of goals scored in an English top flight game.-12
First and only club to win promotion and the FA Cup in the same season.
First British club to tour and win in both Russia and China.
Until the 1970's we had won the cup more times than United,City,Liverpool,and Chelsea as well as most
others.
Despite being a modest size capacity club today,in the past our record gates have been 64,000 for a cup
and 60,000 for a league game.
Our last 40,000+ game was in the 1970's after which our capacity was reduced ??? :(
The one thing that sets us aside from most clubs is our tradition of playing fast,exciting football and
keeping the ball on the ground.Something that we have been doing for over 60 years when it impressed
none other than Ference Puskas and the Hungarian press when we played Honved in Brussels.
Any manager who takes over at Albion is expected to continue this tradition,even in bad times.
Being 57 soon i have seen the good and the bad.
Hope this helps.
WE ARE ALBION. :)
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I must admit i had never heard of Ralf Rangnick until a couple of weeks ago when i saw that he had been interviewed on the first occasion.Thanks to our friendly German visitors who took the time to visit and give information not onl of Ralf but of Schalke and the Bundesliga my view of both is much clearer.
I am very impressed with what i have heard about Ralf so far,but i have to say the longer this drags on the more chance he has of getting a better offer elsewhere.
I hope the interest in our club in Germany will continue if the worst happens as i am sure some of our fans will know take an interest in the Bundesliga.
Just to let you know what type of club Ralf would be joining should he decide to come to the Hawthorns.
West Bromwich Albion;
One of the original 12 founder members of the English Football League.
The first club to win the FA Cup with an all English side,later repeated.
The first English club to score over 100 League goals in one season.
Joint shared highest number of goals scored in an English top flight game.-12
First and only club to win promotion and the FA Cup in the same season.
First British club to tour and win in both Russia and China.
Until the 1970's we had won the cup more times than United,City,Liverpool,and Chelsea as well as most
others.
Despite being a modest size capacity club today,in the past our record gates have been 64,000 for a cup
and 60,000 for a league game.
Our last 40,000+ game was in the 1970's after which our capacity was reduced ??? :(
The one thing that sets us aside from most clubs is our tradition of playing fast,exciting football and
keeping the ball on the ground.Something that we have been doing for over 60 years when it impressed
none other than Ference Puskas and the Hungarian press when we played Honved in Brussels.
Any manager who takes over at Albion is expected to continue this tradition,even in bad times.
Being 57 soon i have seen the good and the bad.
Hope this helps.
WE ARE ALBION. :)
Great post 8)
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i just wish the board would get their arses in gear and try to sign ben foster before someone else does, we dont need to wait for a new manager as we know what we are getting and we know he,s happy living in the midlands and as far as we know happy at our club, to miss out on him would be a major blow >:(
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im sick of flippin waiting, as we drift on without a rudder we are in danger of losing our best players
Don't understand why you'd say were drifting without a rudder? DA & JP are not going anywhere! Most players are on R & R and all are under contract so they cannot leave or even have approaches without any prior approval or negotiation.
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Tom Ross - Twitter
"As I understand it...Ralf looks like he Won't be Baggies boss..dont know why yet ????"
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Tom Ross - Twitter
"As I understand it...Ralf looks like he Won't be Baggies boss..dont know why yet ????"
He goes on to say that we are looking at another target yet the German press say he has it.
Never know how ITK Ross is though.
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Tom Ross - Twitter
"As I understand it...Ralf looks like he Won't be Baggies boss..dont know why yet ????"
I stopped reading after 'Tom Ross'
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I would just like to add my thanks for the information and the effort put in by the German lads.
Very much appreciated and should Ralf become our manager which is looking likely i for one am excited about next season.
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None of the press are ITK in my view especially with how much we keep our cards close to our chest.
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Great Post Divine Wind, i am like you dont know a lot about Ralf but the German people posting on here have brought me upto date on him and their football and i will certainly be paying more attention in the future, sounds a great league!
Welcome and thanks once again to the German posters, your english comes across better than mine!
On the facts Divine Wind, you forgot to mention the main attraction of WBA, the one that sets us apart from every other club - Highest ground above sea level! During the 90's that was our claim to fame!
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Don't understand why you'd say were drifting without a rudder? DA & JP are not going anywhere! Most players are on R & R and all are under contract so they cannot leave or even have approaches without any prior approval or negotiation.
player heads can be turned by the likes of spurs and newcasle while they dont have that reassureing pat on the back from a good manager.
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He goes on to say that we are looking at another target yet the German press say he has it.
Never know how ITK Ross is though.
OK it's Tom Ross, but why would he go out on a limb and say he will not be our next manager, when just about everyone else is saying he will be? Must admit, I'm a bit worried now.
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'he ay coming'
According to quite a few folk on the twitter.
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i just hope its not Hughton
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Ah damn it! I was starting to like these German folk on here but now we're going to have to put up with Portuguese men now supporting Villas Boas! ???
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Appletons barmy army ? :-X. Lol this is getting annoying now. Or has a shock name come into the mix ?
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Tom Ross on Twitter:
German media say Ralf will take over.. But I know Baggies are still looking at another target.. Maybe they are undecided ??
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Must admit this is doing my head in now. Was really excited about Ralf. Where now? Come on Albion, get the finger out
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If its not Ralf it must be an even more impressive name maybe
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Tom Ross on Twitter:
German media say Ralf will take over.. But I know Baggies are still looking at another target.. Maybe they are undecided ??
Not quite the same as 'he ay comin' i would suggest :P
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player heads can be turned by the likes of spurs and newcasle while they dont have that reassureing pat on the back from a good manager.
Makes very little difference the players are away from the club and their agents are getting busy, manager or no manager this would be happening. The players cannot go anywhere without a bid being accepted by the club.
On the latest news report we have had contradictory reports throughout this process and all the club has ever said is we are in discussions with various parties. I do not give this latest report anymore credence than those that said that he is definitely coming. I am fairly certain that Rangnick is our number one choice but if that does not materialise then there is a plan B.
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if we dont get ralf il support the team where he ends up :D
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This speculation is like a rash- it's annoying, never ending and it's sticks to you!
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Twists occurin' every day in this managerial hunt.
If it isn't Ralf, I'd like to think it's some other obscure person no one has thought of - now that'd be a surprise!
If it's Appleton though... I don't know how I'll react.
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Tom Ross on Twitter:
German media say Ralf will take over.. But I know Baggies are still looking at another target.. Maybe they are undecided ??
It's high time the Board stopped faffing about, made a decision and appointed a new incumbent.
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Makes very little difference the players are away from the club and their agents are getting busy, manager or no manager this would be happening. The players cannot go anywhere without a bid being accepted by the club.
On the latest news report we have had contradictory reports throughout this process and all the club has ever said is we are in discussions with various parties. I do not give this latest report anymore credence than those that said that he is definitely coming. I am fairly certain that Rangnick is our number one choice but if that does not materialise then there is a plan B.
And that could be why Ross knows we are looking at another option, in case Ralf, after talking things over with his family, says no thank you.
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Not quite the same as 'he ay comin' i would suggest :P
We are looking at other targets well that is quite likely until our first choice says yes. Hardly a definitive no. Okay we now have a fact Tom Ross is a tit. ;D
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Seeing as though there's very little info about this in our own language, would anyone care to translate this: http://www.goal.com/id-ID/news/1108/sepakbola-inggris/2012/06/03/3145307/ralf-rangnick-tangani-west-bromwich-albion?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Twists occurin' every day in this managerial hunt.
Really? It's now been 33 days since we knew Hodgson was leaving and very little that we're aware of has happened during that time.
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Seeing as though there's very little info about this in our own language, would anyone care to translate this: http://www.goal.com/id-ID/news/1108/sepakbola-inggris/2012/06/03/3145307/ralf-rangnick-tangani-west-bromwich-albion?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
This is what google makes of it:
Ralf Rangnick Handle West Bromwich Albion
West Bromwich did not issue a compensation fund for Ralf Rangnick not deal with the club since leaving Schalke.
Ralf Rangnick, the former Schalke and Stuttgart coach, replacing Roy Hodgson as a trainee West Bromwich Albion. Bild reported Rangnick agree deal with West Brom Faced Islam after meeting the club over for the final match saw The Hawthorns against Arsenal, 13 May. West Brom do not have to pay compensation, because Rangnick is unemployed since leaving Schalke eight months ago.
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Was there not an article in the sun yesterday claiming that we hadn't offered ralf the job? Perhaps Tom Ross has based his comment on that?
Or maybe AVB is back in the frame? :-\
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This is what google makes of it:
Ralf Rangnick Handle West Bromwich Albion
West Bromwich did not issue a compensation fund for Ralf Rangnick not deal with the club since leaving Schalke.
and
"Ralf Rangnick, former coach of Schalke and Stuttgart, replacing Roy Hodgson as coach of West Bromwich Albion.
Bild reported Rangnick agrees deal with West Brom after meeting club officials after watching the last match against Arsenal The Hawthorns, 13 May.
Rangnick Schalke handle twice, and had led the Royal Blues to the Champions League semi-final 2010/2011. Achievement is the best in the Bundesliga club Hoffenheim when juggling is not reckoned to be a great team."
So nothing new.....
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Seems there is a strong possibility that Ralf is either stalling or having major doubts. Maybe a manager who is keen to build something here would be a better option now..
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This is what google makes of it:
Ralf Rangnick Handle West Bromwich Albion
West Bromwich did not issue a compensation fund for Ralf Rangnick not deal with the club since leaving Schalke.
Ralf Rangnick, the former Schalke and Stuttgart coach, replacing Roy Hodgson as a trainee West Bromwich Albion. Bild reported Rangnick agree deal with West Brom Faced Islam after meeting the club over for the final match saw The Hawthorns against Arsenal, 13 May. West Brom do not have to pay compensation, because Rangnick is unemployed since leaving Schalke eight months ago.
Clearly we are getting militant about the deal!
This seems to be a Malaysian rehash of HAZ. (The Bild article was based on this.)
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Seems there is a strong possibility that Ralf is either stalling or having major doubts. Maybe a manager who is keen to build something here would be a better option now..
The Chairman has been pretty good himself at stalling over the years (brinkmanship has been a word used on a number of occasions), though, so who knows what's going on. Even info from the ITKers seems to have dried up, or what's going to happen is so awful that they can't bring themselves to reveal it because of "shooting the messenger" syndrome!
However, whoever we appoint will no doubt be the only person who was offered the job and will be the unanimous choice of the Board....
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Ive gone from Saying who the hell is RR to being really excited about his arrival
(if it happens)
The German poster have given us all a great account of RR managerial back ground ,the way he takes a big interest in the youth setup so much so that ill be really disappointed if we don't sign him now.If it turns out not to be RR i cant think of one other manager getting me this excited out of all the other candidates we are talking about at this moment in time,
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We're assuming that ralf is the one stalling In all this.
Perhaps JP has another card up his sleeve and is delaying due to the possibility of a different man being available?
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this.is.horrible, will he? wont he? id say more unlikely now tbh, having major doubts following this renewed scepticism.
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Ive gone from Saying who the hell is RR to being really excited about his arrival
(if it happens)
The German poster have given us all a great account of RR managerial back ground ,the way he takes a big interest in the youth setup so much so that ill be really disappointed if we don't sign him now.If it turns out not to be RR i cant think of one other manager getting me this excited out of all the other candidates we are talking about at this moment in time,
My sentiments entirely Geoff. Which is why I'll be pretty devastated if it all falls through
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Latest tweet from Chris Lepkowski: "Nothing has changed since yesterday's German reports...which were a bit premature"
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Hmm not sure what to make of that from Lepko.
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If it's Appleton though... I don't know how I'll react.
Annoyed and conned I think !!!!!
Why on earth would a Premier club in our position appoint an Appleton ? We would be in Wolves laughable territory.
Hughton would be a gamble but at least you could make a case out if we had gone and got him weeks ago. After all this messing about even Hughton would seem a massive disappointment as we should have got him in right away if he was so highly rated by the club.
The hope, after waiting so long, is that we will get a quality man fitting of our ambition to improve year on year and Ralf seems to tick that box. Nobody really seems to know at present so hope is all we have !
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A previous poster commented that with the supposed snippets coming from the direction of the club that no one has yet been offered the job, it could be the perfect excuse for JP if RR doesn't become the new coach/manager.
If an offer has indeed been made and there are problems, my guess is that it relates to our set up involving DA as Technical Director. But we are all still in the dark about what is actually going on.
It is very frustrating with the length of time that this is dragging on with other clubs making quicker moves to get new managers and with the uncertainty over players both leaving and signing.
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We'll need to amend the poll again if Tom Ross is right :P
I like how we're going about it actually. I know its frustrating but we seem to be holding out for the best man / biggest name we can get. Which is what we did last time and that turned out well enough. In recent years JP really has turned the screw regarding all decisions made at the club which is important for a club of our stature.
My only concern with this policy is the number of people in football we must urine off. Every time we buy a player, and now when it comes to manager recruitment too it would seem. Just hope we dont burn bridges, merely take alternative routes ;)
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Seeing as though there's very little info about this in our own language, would anyone care to translate this: http://www.goal.com/id-ID/news/1108/sepakbola-inggris/2012/06/03/3145307/ralf-rangnick-tangani-west-bromwich-albion?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
It says 'he ay coming' ;) ;D
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Hmm not sure what to make of that from Lepko.
That Tom Ross and Ze German reports from yesterday are a little wide of the mark and that we are still in talks with Rangnick, I would suggest.
Calm.
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It says 'he ay coming' ;) ;D
wanna bet :P
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This is what google makes of it:
Ralf Rangnick Handle West Bromwich Albion
West Bromwich did not issue a compensation fund for Ralf Rangnick not deal with the club since leaving Schalke.
Ralf Rangnick, the former Schalke and Stuttgart coach, replacing Roy Hodgson as a trainee West Bromwich Albion. Bild reported Rangnick agree deal with West Brom Faced Islam after meeting the club over for the final match saw The Hawthorns against Arsenal, 13 May. West Brom do not have to pay compensation, because Rangnick is unemployed since leaving Schalke eight months ago.
There ya go, that's cleared that up ::)
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wanna bet :P
I already have, nice little earner for me if RR does become the next Head Coach.
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Tom Ross - Twitter
"As I understand it...Ralf looks like he Won't be Baggies boss..dont know why yet ????"
That would be the same Tom Ross that announced we had signed Rowan Vine after a game one Saturday afternoon?
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Toms also tweeted.... German media say Ralf will take over.. But I know Baggies are still looking at another target.. Maybe they are undecided ??”
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Folks, if you want to translate pages just use Google Chrome. It does it automatically. By far the best browser out there as well.
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talk sport,Just repeting what we allready now
Rangnick 'set for Baggies'
Former Stuttgart and Schalke boss Ralf Rangnick has agreed to become West Brom's new manager, according to reports in Germany.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11698/7792189/Rangnick-set-for-Baggies-
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I wouldn't worry about a lot of these reports from our side, the club is on lockdown and probably bar the board and DA nobody really knows anything apart from what they fed by the club.
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I imagine we're keen not to say much in case the deal doesn't come off and we can still save face and say we got our "first choice" rather than have it known that whoever we appoint is at best second choice. Kind of like when we appointed RDM straight after Irvine allegedly turned us down, still to this day its not clear what actually happened there.
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The bookies appear to be as confused as the fans as to whether or not RR will be appointed. Latest odds range from 1-8 with Ladbrokes to 1-2 with Sky Bet. The best bet at the moment is 'keep your money in your pocket!!'
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Got a strong feeling we are about to approach Birmingham for Hughton, I think Ralf would have decided by now.
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The bookies appear to be as confused as the fans as to whether or not RR will be appointed. Latest odds range from 1-8 with Ladbrokes to 1-2 with Sky Bet. The best bet at the moment is 'keep your money in your pocket!!'
And just wait. We want the right man ( BUT NOT APPLETON )
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Got a strong feeling we are about to approach Birmingham for Hughton, I think Ralf would have decided by now.
Thats what I think too, had a feeling for a couple of days we would go back in for him.
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Got a strong feeling we are about to approach Birmingham for Hughton, I think Ralf would have decided by now.
i hope not i will be very deflated considering i never wanted hughton in the first place
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Thats what I think too, had a feeling for a couple of days we would go back in for him.
I also read something from someone I have always trusted, I would be very happy if we do get Chris, just as much as I would if we got Ralf. It might also be what Tom Ross was alluding too, I think he is worried more than anything, he wants us to get Ralf as much as the next person. He just don't want us taking Chris.
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This is the latest news on Ralf Rangnick and WBA from newspaper Bild (it's the German equivalent of The Sun)
Rangnick–Berater Oliver Mintzlaff zu BILD am SONNTAG: „Ich kann bestätigen, dass es gute Gespräche zwischen West Brom und Ralf Rangnick gegeben hat. Aber eine Entscheidung steht noch aus.“
Rangnick agent Oliver Mintzlaff to Bild on sunday: "I can confirm that there was good talks between West Brom and Ralf Rangnick. But a decision is yet to make".
There's also the information given that Ralf had been invited to West Bromwich in may (according to the Guardian which you probably already know).
I know it's nothing new but as many of you have already written on here. It might not be Ralf Rangnick who is hesitating. It's an important decision for your club and I can truly understand that the chairman needs to take some time in order to check all the options available.
And I have to say maybe it wasn't quite fair to "invade" your forum and get your hopes up high. But the media reports from yesterday made it quite clear that the deal is almost done and dusted. It's like Christmas when you wish for a new car and instead you get a pony (just in case the new manager would be less terrific).
Thank you divine wind. Your post made me quite curious to get more informations about West Bromwich Albion. Really interesting to read. I didn't know all that before. So really big thanks.
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I have to smile at some of the on the face of it German fans visiting our boards to share their views on the situation regarding our search for a new coach?? ::)
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If he can sign players like Sigurdsson then we NEED him!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1307654/Gylfi-Sigurdsson-completes-6m-Reading-Hoffenheim.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1307654/Gylfi-Sigurdsson-completes-6m-Reading-Hoffenheim.html)
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Got a strong feeling we are about to approach Birmingham for Hughton, I think Ralf would have decided by now.
Could be set to make an approach within the next 48 hours will be the repeat headline again tomorrow ;)
I still wouldn't be disappointed to get Hughton but the more I hear about Rangnick the more impressive he sounds.
To end up with an Appleton or Phelan from this point would be a major kick in the teeth.
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I must admit i had never heard of Ralf Rangnick until a couple of weeks ago when i saw that he had been interviewed on the first occasion.Thanks to our friendly German visitors who took the time to visit and give information not onl of Ralf but of Schalke and the Bundesliga my view of both is much clearer.
I am very impressed with what i have heard about Ralf so far,but i have to say the longer this drags on the more chance he has of getting a better offer elsewhere.
I hope the interest in our club in Germany will continue if the worst happens as i am sure some of our fans will know take an interest in the Bundesliga.
Just to let you know what type of club Ralf would be joining should he decide to come to the Hawthorns.
West Bromwich Albion;
One of the original 12 founder members of the English Football League.
The first club to win the FA Cup with an all English side,later repeated.
The first English club to score over 100 League goals in one season.
Joint shared highest number of goals scored in an English top flight game.-12
First and only club to win promotion and the FA Cup in the same season.
First British club to tour and win in both Russia and China.
Until the 1970's we had won the cup more times than United,City,Liverpool,and Chelsea as well as most
others.
Despite being a modest size capacity club today,in the past our record gates have been 64,000 for a cup
and 60,000 for a league game.
Our last 40,000+ game was in the 1970's after which our capacity was reduced ??? :(
The one thing that sets us aside from most clubs is our tradition of playing fast,exciting football and
keeping the ball on the ground.Something that we have been doing for over 60 years when it impressed
none other than Ference Puskas and the Hungarian press when we played Honved in Brussels.
Any manager who takes over at Albion is expected to continue this tradition,even in bad times.
Being 57 soon i have seen the good and the bad.
Hope this helps.
WE ARE ALBION. :)
thank you for all the informations about Albion. All you guys are really friendly and i start feeling very comfortable on this
board. Even if Ralf will not sign a contract , what i dont expect, i will follow the baggies in the future on their way. I also hope
we all have some fun together on that board during the Euro.
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Could be set to make an approach within the next 48 hours will be the repeat headline again tomorrow ;)
I still wouldn't be disappointed to get Hughton but the more I hear about Rangnick the more impressive he sounds.
To end up with an Appleton or Phelan from this point would be a major kick in the teeth.
I know, please no. That just doesn't bare thinking about. Let Appleton prove him self as a manager/head coach before we appoint him.
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I'd be quite underwhelmed with Hughton now as well to be honest, I mean he's a decent manager who'd do a solid job here, but he only has less than half a seasons experience managing in the premier league anyway, so its not like that's much of a factor to choose him. Unless he turns us down Rangnick is surely more worthy of a choice.
Going for Hughton seems to be a bit too cagey, its a safe choice, but then the club viewed Alan Irvine as a safe choice after Mowbray - and if his record since is anything to go by, that'd have been an absolute disaster and the cautiousness could have cost us.
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thank you for all the informations about Albion. All you guys are really friendly and i start feeling very comfortable on this
board. Even if Ralf will not sign a contract , what i dont expect, i will follow the baggies in the future on their way. I also hope
we all have some fun together on that board during the Euro.
I suspect you will have more fun in the Euro's than we will! ;D
Nice to see the views of our German friends, please keep posting. ;)
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i hope not i will be very deflated considering i never wanted hughton in the first place
I simply want the best man for the job, I'm not too bothered about their reputations in the game. The only people that will have a good idea about who is the best fit for the job are those that have to make the decision. I certainly wouldn't be disappointed to get Hughton, I think he is a very good coach but at the same time Ralf Rangnick seems a very interesting proposition so either would do for me.
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If it was to be Hughton, I'd still be happy too, but I'm intrigued to know what Rangnick would bring to the party now, so I hope it's him. None of the other people we're being linked with do anything for me.
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If it was to be Hughton, I'd still be happy too, but I'm intrigued to know what Rangnick would bring to the party now, so I hope it's him. None of the other people we're being linked with do anything for me.
Still think Roberto Martinez might just be in the mix somewhere........just a hunch
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I know, please no. That just doesn't bare thinking about. Let Appleton prove him self as a manager/head coach before we appoint him.
where did this phelan link come from /doesn't bear thinking about awful >:(
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i see Hodgson is working his magic with England now. So glad we got rid of the boring man. What does he do with a squad of international quality players? two banks of four and wingers that aren't allowed to attack. Finally the whole country will see what we've had to put up with...oh i forgot most of the seals on here loved him for bringing 'stability'
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i see Hodgson is working his magic with England now. So glad we got rid of the boring man. What does he do with a squad of international quality players? two banks of four and wingers that aren't allowed to attack. Finally the whole country will see what we've had to put up with...oh i forgot most of the seals on here loved him for bringing 'stability'
Two wins, two clean sheets. Need I say more?
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i see Hodgson is working his magic with England now. So glad we got rid of the boring man. What does he do with a squad of international quality players? two banks of four and wingers that aren't allowed to attack. Finally the whole country will see what we've had to put up with...oh i forgot most of the seals on here loved him for bringing 'stability'
If the man that comes in does as well as Roy then i for one will be very very happy...Roy did what he could with limited resource as our manager....Or would you prefer lovely pretty pretty football and be in the championship under Mowbray?
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i see Hodgson is working his magic with England now. So glad we got rid of the boring man. What does he do with a squad of international quality players? two banks of four and wingers that aren't allowed to attack. Finally the whole country will see what we've had to put up with...oh i forgot most of the seals on here loved him for bringing 'stability'
In all fairness their hardly international standard players are they?
Roy was hardly going to go in there and sprinkle some magic dust when you look at what he's got to work with.
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i see Hodgson is working his magic with England now. So glad we got rid of the boring man. What does he do with a squad of international quality players? two banks of four and wingers that aren't allowed to attack. Finally the whole country will see what we've had to put up with...oh i forgot most of the seals on here loved him for bringing 'stability'
If it wasn't for Hodgson taking over when he did, I'm fairly certain we would have competed last season in the championship and continued our yo-yo tradition. He has also lead us to our most successful Premier League finish so how can you possibly grumble at his achievements and several thrilling victories which weren't boring, so how can you grumble?
Also, he has probably the worst squad of England footballers to date. He'll make them over achieve. There is no way with that squad England will win any competition and therefore organisation and knowing your roles will be vitally important if we're to progress anywhere in the tournament. 2 wins & 2 clean sheets = perfect start.
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i see Hodgson is working his magic with England now. So glad we got rid of the boring man. What does he do with a squad of international quality players? two banks of four and wingers that aren't allowed to attack. Finally the whole country will see what we've had to put up with...oh i forgot most of the seals on here loved him for bringing 'stability'
If you cant appreciate the defensive side of the game in the same way as the offensive side of the game then how can you fully appreciate the game......... ???
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is there any actual source to these 'he ay coming' rumours. Looked through twitter and non at all.
As far as im concerned we are at the same state as yesterday.
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i see Hodgson is working his magic with England now. So glad we got rid of the boring man. What does he do with a squad of international quality players? two banks of four and wingers that aren't allowed to attack. Finally the whole country will see what we've had to put up with...oh i forgot most of the seals on here loved him for bringing 'stability'
He made us hard to beat, he's doing the same with England. That English squad is dire, half of them are missing with injury and the rest think the world owes them something. It wont be Spanish flair rife football, but we'll be harder to beat. Without Roy we'd have got relegated both seasons, give the man some respect.
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I thought that this thread was about the next manager, not the previous one. Hopefully this will all be sorted by next Wednesday
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is there any actual source to these 'he ay coming' rumours. Looked through twitter and non at all.
As far as im concerned we are at the same state as yesterday.
There was something from Tom Ross on there this morning but nothing else. Not sure how ITK Tom is when it comes to Albion matters to be honest.
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Looks like he was reacting to the twitter rumours that have no source or substance.
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Hughton would be a very underwhelming appointment after we have had RR dangled in fron of our noses.
I hope and still think it will be the professor.
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Hughtons odd are shortening , a very safe option if we go for him but not a exciting one.
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Looking at Ralf's philosophy - total football (both attack and defence), bringing through the youngsters (fits beautifully with our academy), and working with limited resources, it is easy to see that he would be a perfect fit for us. If it doesnt happen, I think virtually any appointment will seem underwhelming. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
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i'd be pretty gutted if it didn't come off!
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Hughtons odd are shortening , a very safe option if we go for him but not a exciting one.
I've stopped caring about odds. As was seen the other day a small amount of money affects them massively. Usually only when betting suspended does it mean anything - except it was yesterday by quite a few bookies and it meant nothing!
Still really hope we get RR!
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Hughtons odd are shortening , a very safe option if we go for him but not a exciting one.
he has said no / been overlooked before by the club. he like everyone else has read about Raneiri, wilkins the german chap etc all being interviewed for the job. now taking that into account what makes you think he would consider any approach for him. even if which i doubt BCFC gave albion permission.
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he has said no / been overlooked before by the club. he like everyone else has read about Raneiri, wilkins the german chap etc all being interviewed for the job. now taking that into account what makes you think he would consider any approach for him. even if which i doubt BCFC gave albion permission.
He would be mad not to for a start, does he really want to stay at a club in turmoil? and being interviewed before is just as much as a positive than it is a negative.
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Love your loyalty Wilma but seriously, do you think Albion in the Prem or Blues in Champ is the most appealing?
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Hughtons odd are shortening , a very safe option if we go for him but not a exciting one.
They haven't shortened massively which suggests its just people acting to the speculation (which so far appears baseless), likewise with Rangnick's odd's lengthening.
We also saw the effects that a bit of baseless speculation from a couple of posters on here had on the AVB odds, down from over 30/1 just about everywhere to 8/1.
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Love your loyalty Wilma but seriously, do you think Albion in the Prem or Blues in Champ is the most appealing?
This is getting strange now isnt it. Reports yesterday saying hes signed, even forcing Sky to post an article on their iphone app saying 'Rangnick Joins baggies'.
And now today its back to the uncertainty. I wonder now if it is RR holding things up, sorting moving his life over to this country and set up etc, or if its JP holding out because hes found a 'more suitable' candidate instead of RR.
I still think RR will be announced wednesday (first day after the bank holiday).
Im getting quite worried now too, but will stay patient and have full trust in the board whoever we appoint, suitable candidates obviously.
COYB
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If someone better than Rangnick comes up then I don't mind. The only person in the media who's been mentioned is AVB. We aint going to be holding up stuff for Appleton are we?
That said anyway I think AVB will be up for another top job in Europe soon so I can't see him coming here.
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Tom Ross ?@thegoalzone
Sometimes in my business you hear things OFF THE RECORD so you know what might be happening but can't say
Wonder if he has heard Blues are losing their manager...
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Tom Ross ?@thegoalzone
Sometimes in my business you hear things OFF THE RECORD so you know what might be happening but can't say
Wonder if he has heard Blues are losing their manager...
Maybe he has heard the bogs are being changed at St Andrews but wants it to be kept secret.
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Tom Ross ?@thegoalzone
Sometimes in my business you hear things OFF THE RECORD so you know what might be happening but can't say
Wonder if he has heard Blues are losing their manager...
Ive seen that aswell the guy gets on my nerves he never has any "New" news he just retweets and blogs stuff he seen elsewhere....Ive seen him announce "breaking News" which has been reported on the OS an hour before....
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Thanks to the great insights from German guys on the Forum. Hope you stick with the Forum and WBA!
I'm more than convinced that Rangnick is the right man for WBA. The structure of having a Director of Football/general manager will be normal for him. He may have had problems with the manager whilst at Schalke, but personality clashes can happen anywhere. I'm sure DA would involve him 100% in the recruitment of new players. If the present delay is down to Rangnick, then it may be wanting assurances about future recruitment policy at WBA.
He may also be waiting if there are other offers, but it would probably have to be a massive Bundesliga club to tempt him. Bayer Leverkusen may be on the lookout, but they strike me as being more of a company team, albeit well financed, rather than what the Germans call a "Traditionsclub" e.g. Schalke or Borussia Dortmund. I don't think he can be watching the Prem. league situation with the Liverpool and Villa jobs now filled. We would be a more attractive proposition than Norwich or Swansea.
If the delay is from Albion's side, you'd hope it would be for some phenomenal candidate. To be honest, I don't know who that would be. Rangnick ticks all the boxes. Plays attractive attacking football and has had success with it.
Whilst not wishing to ailienate the other German fans, (Gruess euch alle!), Schalke does seem to have alot in common with Albion. I travel alot in the Ruhr district, just a larger version of Black Country. You see S04 (Schalke 04) car stickers everywhere, they are blue and white, and fierce rivals of Dortmund who are black and yellow/old gold. Although Dortmund are somewhat more successful than their black/old gold counterparts in the Black Country.
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Ive seen that aswell the guy gets on my nerves he never has any "New" news he just retweets and blogs stuff he seen elsewhere....Ive seen him announce "breaking News" which has been reported on the OS an hour before....
Even Chris L's latest tweets probably hinting about Hughton. I think Tom Ross also knows more about Birmingham than 99.9% of people on here.
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Rumours all over twitter saying we have made an official approach for Hughton.
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There were rumours that Norwich want Hughton to replace Lambert,I would be happy with Hughton but it will not be a exciting appointment. Hughton teams play the same way as a Roy Hodgson team. And hearing how good rangnick is, its making me feel disapointed if we go for hughton. Its like on christmas day when you are expecting a PS3 but you get a WII instead. Its ok but nothing special ;D
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Even Chris L's latest tweets probably hinting about Hughton. I think Tom Ross also knows more about Birmingham than 99.9% of people on here.
99.9% of Blues fans probably know more about Birmingham than those on here so i Just dont trust Tom`s so called "info"
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99.9% of Blues fans probably know more about Birmingham than those on here so i Just dont trust Tom`s so called "info"
I was talking about more about the insides of Birmingham rather than general knowledge on the club, Tom has some good contacts at Birmingham. If you dont want to believe his info then don't, I am sure whatever happens will become clearer soon.
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Let's all move onto licking CH's ass now then ::)
RR is old news and to be honest we didn't really want him did we ;)
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I was talking about more about the insides of Birmingham rather than general knowledge on the club, Tom has some good contacts at Birmingham. If you dont want to believe his info then don't, I am sure whatever happens will become clearer soon.
Not a dig at you mate by any means i just dont believe anything that comes from Ross he never has any breaking news even when it is about Blues for him to say "Off the record" to me is complete rubbish at the end of the day hes a journalist so why would he not circulate what he knows especially as this news would be better for his club if it were in the open!
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Not a dig at you mate by any means i just dont believe anything that comes from Ross he never has any breaking news even when it is about Blues for him to say "Off the record" to me is complete rubbish at the end of the day hes a journalist so why would he not circulate what he knows especially as this news would be better for his club if it were in the open!
I know, no worries. Its just one of them wait and see things.
Let's all move onto licking CH's ass now then ::)
RR is old news and to be honest we didn't really want him did we ;)
I have always wanted Chris, I think he was the majority that wanted him on the first poll? Prior to the Ralf coming to light. I think either Ralf or Chris would be a great appointment.
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Rumours all over twitter saying we have made an official approach for Hughton.
That's just people pretending to know stuff, when all they've done is just look at the odds, and the rumours continue to lower the odds. If people actually knew that he'd been approached he still wouldn't be at 2/1. As I said earlier its like when people on here decided that AVB was definitely going to be manager because his odds were dropping. Which completely ignored the fact his odds only dropped so much because of a baseless rumour on here causing the odds to drop in the first place.
Reading Chris Lepkowski's recent tweets and it seems pretty much nothing has changed since yesterday. No further, no closer.
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Let's all move onto licking CH's ass now then ::)
RR is old news and to be honest we didn't really want him did we ;)
Im very happy with either.
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Can't honestly see Hughton looking favorably on us now after all the news reports about the likes of Rangnick and Ranieri over the last few days/weeks. Also if Rangnick is still on the radar then surely he will be a firm first choice.
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i dont want Hughton, never has. safe and boring. i want a bit of a wow factor. RR please!
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Rangnick may have knocked us back ? which could be a reason if we approach Blues.
I was hoping for Rangnick as he sounds like his teams play with some flair, which is what I like to see.
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i dont want Hughton, never has. safe and boring. i want a bit of a wow factor. RR please!
A tad harsh perhaps. He will continue the steady work that Hodgson started, he is not my first choice but Hughton is a decent manager. However it would feel like a let down after we've had the Rangnick carrot dangled infront of our faces.
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If AVB has been spoken too on 2 occasions then maybe we are staling because clearly we would want him as first choice , and before anyone says no chance why would he bother with the second meeting??
Additionally we would have sounded out a list like, ralf, AVB, Hughton, Martinez + a couple of others and lead with the words IF we were to offer what package would you be looking for , that way we choose when and how we offer and we don't look like the villa ..
Now please relax because our club study managers and players a lot more than others and they do honestly know what they are doing ;)
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If AVB has been spoken too on 2 occasions then maybe we are staling because clearly we would want him as first choice
I really thought we had finished with the AVB fantasy. It is an absolute non starter. Still hoping for Ralf myself. That's my dream.
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Cant see the appeal of AVB to be honest. Chelsea were a shambles under him, couldnt defend for their lives and went on to win the FA cup and Champions League after he was sacked.
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Rangnick may have knocked us back ? which could be a reason if we approach Blues.
Yep, can't see any other explanation for now turning to CH (if indeed we have). Big 'if'.
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not a huge fan of hughton, much rather someone who is relatively high profile abroad to prove himself. rangnick please please please peace!
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Out of interest who would you have in an ideal world? AVB or Rangnick?
Now i'd rather have Ralf by a million miles, if RDM can manage a club better than him then what good will he do here??
The club is open for business over the bank holidays... so I would hope we see a decision officially ASAP! I will be absolutely over the moon if its Ralf.
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Feeling a bit underwhelmed if it is to be Hughton, as I was before Rangnick even came into the equation. I shouldn't have got my hopes up either!
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Thanks to the great insights from German guys on the Forum. Hope you stick with the Forum and WBA!
I'm more than convinced that Rangnick is the right man for WBA. The structure of having a Director of Football/general manager will be normal for him. He may have had problems with the manager whilst at Schalke, but personality clashes can happen anywhere. I'm sure DA would involve him 100% in the recruitment of new players. If the present delay is down to Rangnick, then it may be wanting assurances about future recruitment policy at WBA.
He may also be waiting if there are other offers, but it would probably have to be a massive Bundesliga club to tempt him. Bayer Leverkusen may be on the lookout, but they strike me as being more of a company team, albeit well financed, rather than what the Germans call a "Traditionsclub" e.g. Schalke or Borussia Dortmund. I don't think he can be watching the Prem. league situation with the Liverpool and Villa jobs now filled. We would be a more attractive proposition than Norwich or Swansea.
If the delay is from Albion's side, you'd hope it would be for some phenomenal candidate. To be honest, I don't know who that would be. Rangnick ticks all the boxes. Plays attractive attacking football and has had success with it.
Whilst not wishing to ailienate the other German fans, (Gruess euch alle!), Schalke does seem to have alot in common with Albion. I travel alot in the Ruhr district, just a larger version of Black Country. You see S04 (Schalke 04) car stickers everywhere, they are blue and white, and fierce rivals of Dortmund who are black and yellow/old gold. Although Dortmund are somewhat more successful than their black/old gold counterparts in the Black Country.
Hmmmm..............really. Im not so convinced as you. Seems to me they might be "German fans" located a little closer to home?..................... ;)
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i want ralf and i want him now
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Hmmmm..............really. Im not so convinced as you. Seems to me they might be "German fans" located a little closer to home?..................... ;)
why?
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Can't honestly see Hughton looking favorably on us now after all the news reports about the likes of Rangnick and Ranieri over the last few days/weeks. Also if Rangnick is still on the radar then surely he will be a firm first choice.
Dont work like that Dave as long as the guy your talking to isnt publically 2nd choice. Hence why WBA deny anything and keep everything confidential. The final choice is then always the first choice.
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i still think RR will be our man nothing has happened today and will not happen until next week ,i really have my heart set on him and have faithin JP and DA to take the club forward and with all respect i dont think CH would do that
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i still think RR will be our man nothing has happened today and will not happen until next week ,i really have my heart set on him and have faithin JP and DA to take the club forward and with all respect i dont think CH would do that
Think Chris Hughton would make a fine WBA coach
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i still think RR will be our man nothing has happened today and will not happen until next week ,i really have my heart set on him and have faithin JP and DA to take the club forward and with all respect i dont think CH would do that
Agree, I think CH would keep us stable but maybe we will stagnate a little. However, he will not take us forward IMO.
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I would have been happy with Hughton before but now i have got excited about Rangnick.
My only concern about Rangnick would be is that if he takes this long to decide,taking it for granted it's his decision we are waiting on,it might not be,then how long would he be likely to stay as our manager.
We have to think about long term not someone for a season.
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I would have been happy with Hughton before but now i have got excited about Rangnick.
My only concern about Rangnick would be is that if he takes this long to decide,taking it for granted it's his decision we are waiting on,it might not be,then how long would he be likely to stay as our manager.
We have to think about long term not someone for a season.
I agree with this, except part of me thinks well even if it is for a season if we kick on and progress as well as this season then we are in a stronger position to recruit a better manager for the long term. If hodgson has not come in for the one season (ok and a half) then I doubt we would be talking about Rangnick now as a possibility.
If Ralf comes in and takes us a stage further then who knows who we may attract next season or the season after especially with the stadium expansion completion. This really is a massive chance for the club to move up to the next level. Leave behind the clubs similar to us like and make our way towards the likes of Villa, Everton, Sunderland ect.
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The need to sort it out! It shouldnt have took this long, the FA were in touch with Albion in march that Roy could be an option!
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I had understood that Ralf was interviewed at the same time as Raneiri and Wilkins so if, as I suspect, he was made an offer then the time for him to accept has probably elapsed. I also reckon that if it was proposed to approach Hughton/Birmingham that would have been done weeks ago.
My feeling is that it will be somebody of good reputation that nobody has mentioned yet. Much like Ralf was a few days weeks ago.
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Hmmmm..............really. Im not so convinced as you. Seems to me they might be "German fans" located a little closer to home?..................... ;)
Why would you think that? I hope that comments like yours don't drive them away when many of us appreciate them taking the trouble to post here.
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I had understood that Ralf was interviewed at the same time as Raneiri and Wilkins so if, as I suspect, he was made an offer then the time for him to accept has probably elapsed. I also reckon that if it was proposed to approach Hughton/Birmingham that would have been done weeks ago.
My feeling is that it will be somebody of good reputation that nobody has mentioned yet. Much like Ralf was a few days weeks ago.
Martinez available again?
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Why would you think that? I hope that comments like yours don't drive them away when many of us appreciate them taking the trouble to post here.
Well for a start one of the posts I read earlier was copied virtually word for word from an official press release I had seen earlier somewhere with a bit of ad libbing....is that enough?
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Martinez available again?
Or Benitez
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Or Benitez
I can do that too. Or Laudrup
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I can do that too. Or Laudrup
Yep - good shout
Can't help thinking that both of them could be the "dark horse". Both free agents and both have very good track records. Laudrup has been completely off the radar by not managing in England, while Benitez was of course a Champions Leagus winner with Liverpool. Either of them could be up JP's sleeve,
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I've been out all day, has something actually happened or are we just all making up stories to fill the void?!
If we've (unofficially) offered the job to Ralf and he wants the weekend to think it over and talk with his family then isn't that fair enough?
Apart from the German Sun shooting off saying it was a done deal too early has anything of any weight actually been said?
We're in no rush. I want it sorted too, but i'd rather we got the right man and were certain he wanted to be with us.
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Well for a start one of the posts I read earlier was copied virtually word for word from an official press release I had seen earlier somewhere with a bit of ad libbing....is that enough?
They came across pretty authentic to me. Sure, they may have been quoting something from their media, but that doesn't make them invalid. Why would they want to not be for real? You're not suggesting they are agents on behalf of Birmingham City?
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Its got CH written all over it :)
I still say it has
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They came across pretty authentic to me. Sure, they may have been quoting something from their media, but that doesn't make them invalid. Why would they want to not be for real? You're not suggesting they are agents on behalf of Birmingham City?
Im not saying anything Alex other than Im a bit sceptical about their authenticity thats all.
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Im not saying anything Alex other than Im a bit sceptical about their authenticity thats all.
apart from sore finger i dont see what they would get from pretending to be 04 fans, besides the english was to good to be blues fans
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Why would you think that? I hope that comments like yours don't drive them away when many of us appreciate them taking the trouble to post here.
The admins can easily tell from their IP addresses.
Would be a silly and pointless wind-up though.
I'm still confused as to whether anything has actually happened today. I've read the last 5 pages and can't see anything. Are we just wound up and gossiping?
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Well for a start one of the posts I read earlier was copied virtually word for word from an official press release I had seen earlier somewhere with a bit of ad libbing....is that enough?
Are you kidding me? Seriously? So, you're suggesting I'm not German. I posted an article from troday. Here's the link which I forgot in my previous post.
http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/ralf-rangnick/comeback-in-der-premier-league-24456506.bild.html
This is the date and time of that article: 02.06.2012 — 23:12 Uhr. And now I understand your response on my post. I didn't know that Bild was just copying some other stuff. I just found an article by Welt Online from yesterday
«Ich kann lediglich bestätigen, dass es Gespräche gab, eine Entscheidung steht noch aus», sagte er.
which is the exact statement from the Bild article. I didn't read the Welt article until now.
I'm a big fan of Ralf Rangnick and his work and I just meant to help. That's all. Besides you could easily tell that I'm not English because of my mistakes in English grammar.
So, und wenn du das jetzt verstehen kannst, sehr schön, dann bist du nämlich in der Lage Deutsch zu lesen. Herzlichen Glückwunsch dazu.
Edit. Damn it, I forgot the link for the Welt article.
http://www.welt.de/newsticker/dpa_nt/infoline_nt/sport_nt/fussball_nt/article106407631/Rangnick-soll-Trainer-bei-West-Bromwich-werden.html
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I've been out all day, has something actually happened or are we just all making up stories to fill the void?!
If we've (unofficially) offered the job to Ralf and he wants the weekend to think it over and talk with his family then isn't that fair enough?
Apart from the German Sun shooting off saying it was a done deal too early has anything of any weight actually been said?
We're in no rush. I want it sorted too, but i'd rather we got the right man and were certain he wanted to be with us.
Nothing new in the German media today. If he definitely had said no to an offer, the German media would probably have leaked it.
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hey guys,
no worries, iam just a normal football fan from germany who was just excited when i read that a really great coach could
get a job in the english premier league. He would be the first german and thats something special. I never followed the PL
regularly, just some of the big matches. Now i have a real reason to watch it more often. I thought some of you guys
never heard the name Ralf Rangnick before, so i registered here to tell you what i know. Thats all
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Are you kidding me? Seriously? So, you're suggesting I'm not German. I posted an article from troday. Here's the link which I forgot in my previous post.
http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/ralf-rangnick/comeback-in-der-premier-league-24456506.bild.html
This is the date and time of that article: 02.06.2012 — 23:12 Uhr. And now I understand your response on my post. I didn't know that Bild was just copying some other stuff. I just found an article by Welt Online from yesterday
which is the exact statement from the Bild article. I didn't read the Welt article until now.
I'm a big fan of Ralf Rangnick and his work and I just meant to help. That's all. Besides you could easily tell that I'm not English because of my mistakes in English grammar.
So, und wenn du das jetzt verstehen kannst, sehr schön, dann bist du nämlich in der Lage Deutsch zu lesen. Herzlichen Glückwunsch dazu.
Don't listen mate, we appreciate you and other German fans contributions, am hoping very much we get Rangnick now...
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No offence meant to any of the German guys on here. Your info has been very good to ehar. I very much hope we get Ralf now that we've read up on him. Although i am now tempted to just avoid this for a day or two and hopefully it'll be over by then.
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Hmmmm..............really. Im not so convinced as you. Seems to me they might be "German fans" located a little closer to home?..................... ;)
Nearly 150 pages and this is comfortably the worst post. Congratulations.
Apologies to our friends from Germany for this utter garbage.
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Our German friends are indeed German and not wind up merchants from down the road.
I would never divulge any confidential emails or ips on here but they are all based in Deutschland.
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Our German friends are indeed German and not wind up merchants from down the road.
I would never divulge any confidential emails or ips on here but they are all based in Deutschland.
Thankyou for that. Was right to be sceptical though ;)
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We've had plenty of wind-up merchants in the past no denying it. :D
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Phil stop checking! Nothing is going to happen tonight. Enjoy the party.
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Nearly 150 pages and this is comfortably the worst post. Congratulations.
Apologies to our friends from Germany for this utter garbage.
You obviously havn't read the posts closely enough but dont worry your apology is accepted.
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Why are we getting so hung up on whether the Germans are German? If they're German - great welcome aboard If they're dingles - Terry Connor fiasco. If they're seals - enjoy lambert and next year's relegation battle. If they're bluenoses - we'll have your manager if we want him and you know it.
Let's stick to the matter in hand.
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Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski
Significant update on #wba managerial situation in Monday's Birmingham Mail
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Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski
Significant update on #wba managerial situation in Monday's Birmingham Mail
It'll be nothing...
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I reckon its Hughton back as favourite for the job, ready to make another approach or have made another approach. The fact Rangnick's odds have been drifting and Hughton's have shortened dramatically doesn't suggest it's good news on the Rangnick front sadly.
If its not Rangnick it'll be anti-climatic that's for sure.
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It'll be nothing...
Probably that Albion expect a manager to be in place by the end of June.
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Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski
Significant update on #wba managerial situation in Monday's Birmingham Mail
If it's "west brom to approach hughton in next 48 hours" I'm going to stop reading anything to do with this and wait for my cousin to text me!
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.....or Baggies given permission to speak to Emile Heskey.
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I agree that it'll probably be something that makes Hughton favourite for the job, hopefully it isn't Rangnick pulling out altogether :(
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A Very Big development. Albion Very close to new Boss. A Veritable Bargain.
(taps nose)
So Here It Turns Exciting.
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You obviously havn't read the posts closely enough but dont worry your apology is accepted.
It should be you doing the apologising and you had no justification for being sceptical. People are copying and pasting stuff from web pages all the time.
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Haha, i like it London Baggy, capital letters spelling AVB!
I just wonder if there are any available managers out there with AVB initials, nobody springs to mind!
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Haha, i like it London Baggy, capital letters spelling AVB!
I just wonder if there are any available managers out there with AVB initials, nobody springs to mind!
Don't want to get your hopes up. Check out the last phrase. Just inebriated and doodling! Definaty not ITK.
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Very good, i hadnt noticed last part! The AVB rumour was nice (for the bookies!) i still have this feeling it will be Appleton!
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Rangnick may have knocked us back ? which could be a reason if we approach Blues.
I was hoping for Rangnick as he sounds like his teams play with some flair, which is what I like to see.
This might be one reason why earlier reports (if true) coming out from the club that no offer has yet been made could be used to cover up any possible rejection by RR.
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Very good, i hadnt noticed last part! The AVB rumour was nice (for the bookies!) i still have this feeling it will be Appleton!
If it's not RR then we'll get Hughton. £2m compo is nothing in real terms for a position as important as head coach, people who think JP would balk at that need to look at what we paid for Long, Brunt and wages for PO, YM and zolly. Seriously does anyone think compo is holding us back from Hughton if we want him?
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If it's not RR then we'll get Hughton. £2m compo is nothing in real terms for a position as important as head coach, people who think JP would balk at that need to look at what we paid for Long, Brunt and wages for PO, YM and zolly. Seriously does anyone think compo is holding us back from Hughton if we want him?
Seriously we would be barking mad to pay £2m for Hughton when all that he has to do is resign and it would be a year of his current wages £1m maximum. I also think there must be a candidate out there somewhere who is unattached and at least as good as Hughton.
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Seriously we would be barking mad to pay £2m for Hughton when all that he has to do is resign and it would be a year of his current wages £1m maximum. I also think there must be a candidate out there somewhere who is unattached and at least as good as Hughton.
£2m or £1m it doesn't matter. The point I'm making is the compo isn't an issue. If we want him we will get him. If we want someone else we'll go for them. But if CH is preferred then we'll throw the cash into the pot.
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According to it 'we have drawn a line under Chris Hughton' will be in the Brum mail later
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According to it 'we have drawn a line under Chris Hughton' will be in the Brum mail later
You heard something or is that just your opinion?
My bet is that Chris Hughton has expressed an interest in talking to us or something like that.
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Lufthansa are running a 20% off all flights promotion during June and JP is doing cartwheels around the London Office..................think it will just confirm Albion are getting closer to their man.
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Ok some news regarding Ralf Rangnick in foreign press, from what I can gather.
Apparently Ralf had asked to be given one week decision time for our job because he is interested/possible candiate for the Belgium National team.
"The German coach who reached the half final of the Champions League with Schalke 04 would be very interested in the idea of conducting our Devils to the World Cup in Brazil. One time courted by Anderlecht finally opted for John van den Brom , Rangnick also enjoys the benefit of a Premier League club West Bromwich Albion. It would, however, requested a reflection period of one week. Probably time to see if the Belgian Federation takes into consideration his candidacy."
(translated)
http://www.rtbf.be/sport/football/diablesrouges/detail_ralf-rangnick-candidat-pour-les-diables?id=7780551
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Ok some news regarding Ralf Rangnick in foreign press, from what I can gather.
Apparently Ralf had asked to be given one week decision time for our job because he is interested/possible candiate for the Belgium National team.
"The German coach who reached the half final of the Champions League with Schalke 04 would be very interested in the idea of conducting our Devils to the World Cup in Brazil. One time courted by Anderlecht finally opted for John van den Brom , Rangnick also enjoys the benefit of a Premier League club West Bromwich Albion. It would, however, requested a reflection period of one week. Probably time to see if the Belgian Federation takes into consideration his candidacy."
(translated)
http://www.rtbf.be/sport/football/diablesrouges/detail_ralf-rangnick-candidat-pour-les-diables?id=7780551
What a twist that is, the current caretaker manager, Marc Wilmots, may not get the job because our old manager, Roy, beats his team at Wembley, so that Ralf Rangnick gets the job instead. :-X
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My guess would be his week to think about it will be over weds and he's had a few days already. And maybe Saturday he was swaying towards a yes hence the reports then England went and won an perhaps it opened up a new door for him and he stalled?
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Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski
#wba have opted against pursuing Hughton any further. Full story to follow on http://www.birminghammail.net #bcfc #blues
If Ralf doesn't come also then who is next..?
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Get your finger off that button sealandair ::)
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Get your finger off that button sealandair ::)
"told ya so" typed in a reply box for weeks! ;)
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Birmingham City have been handed a huge close-season boost after West Bromwich Albion drew a line under their pursuit of Chris Hughton.
The Blues boss had been on Albion’s list of potential managerial candidates since the departure of Roy Hodgson.
Albion stopped short of going all out to get Hughton when overtures were made last week.
However, it is understood the Baggies made a more strident approach for the Blues boss over the weekend.
That gesture would have been met with a fairly robust stance by a St Andrew’s hierarchy who are desperate to keep hold of the 53-year-old.
Acting chairman Peter Pannu, Blues owner Carson Yeung’s right-hand man, has steadfastly maintained that Blues are determined to keep hold of Hughton.
For whatever reason the Baggies have now called off their pursuit of Hughton and are now looking elsewhere as time is pressing on and with other Premier League vacancies emerging.
Ralf Rangnick, most recently the Schalke O4 coach, has had several rounds of talks with Albion.
He was also a guest of the club for Albion’s final game of the season against Arsenal.
Reports in Germany on Saturday suggested that Rangnick was the firm favourite to become Hodgson’s replacement - with some national titles even suggesting he was due to be unveiled as the new boss.
The situation was muddied with counter-reports, also in Germany, claiming that he would not be taking on the role.
As yet there is no clear indication whether he wants the job.
Other names in the frame include former Baggies No2 and current Portsmouth boss Michael Appleton, along with Manchester United coach Michael Phelan.
Ex-Chelsea boss Andre Villas-Boas’ odds have also dropped, as have those of one-time RCD Mallorca coach Michael Laudrup, who is now third favourite with some bookmakers.
As for Blues, because of their perilous financial state Hughton has been touted as ripe for the picking.
Yeung and Blues parent company Birmingham International Holdings Limited are in financial trouble.
Yeung’s request to overturn an assets freeze verdict, imposed in December in relation to allegations of money laundering, was rejected.
And he is due in court again on Monday to contest claims that he has defaulted on loans of around £15 million, set against his property, that were taken out to support BIHL and Blues.
Also, of course, Blues remain under a Football League transfer embargo due to BIHL’s continual failure to lodge their year’s accounts to June 2011 with the Hong Kong Stock Exchange.
But Pannu, who proved himself up for a scrap when Alex McLeish walked out for Aston Villa, recommended to Yeung and the board that Hughton should be appointed a year ago.
And he has made it clear that Blues would always be hostile to any kind of approach for their manager.
Hughton has formed a very tight-knit backroom unit at St Andrew’s, with Colin Calderwood as assistant manager and Paul Trollope as first team coach.
*ALBION insist there have been no offers tabled for key midfielder Youssouf Mulumbu, despite claims that he has held talks with Spurs and Newcastle.
Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2012/06/04/west-brom-give-up-fight-to-land-birmingham-city-boss-chris-hughton-97319-31107345/#ixzz1wo7NWO8T
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The thought of appleton and phlean being head coach gives me knightmares. I mean come on,all the work done over the past few years would be flushed down the toilet.please no!
Avb would be great but its not going to happen!
Ralf or laudrup id be over the moon with. I liked laudrup from the start.
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Oh how we laughed at the dingles!
Even the happy clappers/keep the faith/trust DA & JP squad must be getting a little tetchy now.
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If Ralf has been offered the job & accepted, its no problem writing other candidates off, Hughton may well have said if you dont want me I'm going to Norwich, no biggy imho
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If Ralf has been offered the job & accepted, its no problem writing other candidates off, Hughton may well have said if you dont want me I'm going to Norwich, no biggy imho
Ralf HAS NOT accepted.
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Always had a bad feeling about this 'delay' in getting a manager in and now things are starting to look desperate if Ralf's not coming in.................Appleton and Phelan !!!!! Not worth even thinking about and would take the club backwards undoing all the good work of the past few seasons - McInnes will be mentioned next !
Come JP sort it out as the current squad are in limbo let alone the shaping of next season's squad.
Regarding Hughton. Surely, if we had really wanted Hughton we would have a approached a month or so ago and found out if he was ineterested and what the 'buy-out' amount would be ? If we knew that and it's just that we won't pay the money then we'll get what we deserve as a penny pinching two bit outfit. Let's hope it's all a smokescreen and Ralf arrives this week.
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Ralf HAS NOT accepted.
And you know that HOW exactly?
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Always had a bad feeling about this 'delay' in getting a manager in and now things are starting to look desperate if Ralf' not coming in.................Appleton and Phelan ! Not worth even thinking about and would take the club backwards undoing all the good work of the past few seasons - McInnes will be mentioned next !
Come JP sort it out as the current squad are in limbo let alone the shaping of next season's squad.
Regarding Hughton. Surely, if we had really wanted Hughton we would have a approached a month or so ago and found out if he was ineterested and what the 'buy-out' amount would be ? If we knew that and it's just that we won't pay the money then we'll get what we deserve as a penny pinching two bit outfit. Let's hope it's all a smokescreen and Ralf arrives this week.
Who is Hughton? Do you mean Chris Hughton?
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Who is Hughton? Do you mean Chris Hughton?
New man in the frame ! ;)
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And you know that HOW exactly?
Do we have a Head Coach appointed and confirmed as in place?
No!
Everyman and dog knows he hasnt accepted otherwise there would have been an announcement from the club.
::)
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All we need now is the names of Steve Bruce and Alan Curbishley to enter the frame and we are back to square one !
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I see Laudrup's name has entered the frame! Would love it to be him or RR!
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can't believe that was the big news in the bham mail.....
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I see Laudrup's name has entered the frame! Would love it to be him or RR!
Not sure what Laudrup's achieved as a coach ?
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so do we think the clubs search has just gone tits up or is there this left field appointment on the way? has it been a smoke secreen and it will be Appleton? (i would have thought any approach for him would go public Portsmouth's end). Have we thrown all our eggs into the Ralf basket? If JP and DA are smart enough to not go backwards and employ Phelan or Appleton then who next?
I'm always an optimistic but i am starting to get worried. To be honest the mail article has changed little from the weekend other than that we won't be using Hughton to fall back on.
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And you know that HOW exactly?
By the application of common sense. More to the point why do you think he has accepted?
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Do we have a Head Coach appointed and confirmed as in place?
No!
Everyman and dog knows he hasnt accepted otherwise there would have been an announcement from the club.
::)
Circumstances may be delaying the announcement, try not to jump in with both feet, as you might find every man & his dog stood there laughing.
Patience is a virtue, of which some on this site have none!
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With AVB being mentioned, and everyone else that we want dropping like flies, i'm going to be desparately disappointed if phelan or appy are appointed. Cant help but feel its heading in that direction. And whats worse is, we knew 2 weeks before any other managerless team that we were going to need a new boss.
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By the application of common sense. More to the point why do you think he has accepted?
Read my post! it started with the word IF & common sense loses out to FACT everytime
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Gut instinct is that if RR isn't announced in the next 48hrs he wont be coming and with the apparent reluctance to pursue Hughton we are back to square one.If this is the case then imo its a real botch job on the clubs behalf as it will mean that despit all the clubs much touted and hyped prepped work we are no nearer anew headman than the day it was announced RH was leaving.To appoint Appleton,Phelan,Curbishley,Bruce etc would then to me smack of desperation!! Lot of ifs buts and maybes just hoping my guts wrong!!!!
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Circumstances may be delaying the announcement, try not to jump in with both feet, as you might find every man & his dog stood there laughing.
Patience is a virtue, of which some on this site have none!
When Villa appointed Lambert they confirmed it with a one liner on their webiste.
'Aston Villa can confirm Paul Lambert has been appointed as the clubs next Manager'
Why on earth would we delay an announcement? Oh yes, its bank holiday and the website editors may charge us double time to update the site today!
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The worst part about this waiting is the worry we will end up with the likes of Appleton or Phelan .
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Read my post! it started with the word IF & common sense loses out to FACT everytime
Apologies, I didn't think anybody would pose a question that assumed that Ralf has accepted when he clearly has not.
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By the application of common sense. More to the point why do you think he has accepted?
Because the only reports confirming our new manager have been from Germany and regarding Ralf.
Because the club are always shockingly late when announcing done deals, probably to avoid any last minute poaching (in other words they will wait before all the paperwork is done unlike Villa with Lambert.)
Because I really want it to happen, ;) and have had my hopes raised and refuse out of stubborn-ness to accept any other candidate who would be a massive let down to have our job, until I hear that Ralf has officially REFUSED the job. ;D
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The worst part about this waiting is the worry we will end up with the likes of Appleton or Phelan .
Why do people have an anti towards Phelan. He has been a key part of one of the most successful clubs in Europe over the past few years has he not?
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I don't get what everyone thinks the rush is?
I know there are other jobs for managers to take, but I've every confidence that JP and DA are working on it, and that they'll have the right man in place in good time. I believe we are a bigger draw than Swansea or Norwich so any prospective manager will hold out I he thinks he's in with a chance?
The squad are either readying themselves for the euros or sunning themselves on the beach. Whilst I'm sure they're interested who the boss will be, I don't think they're running around looking for a new club because we haven't appointed someone.
Can we not just calm down, wait and see, and enjoy being disappointed at a major tournament once more??
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the sense of panic quickly spreads it seems, as long as the person is appointed in the next 2-3 weeks itll be ok. swansea and norwich are none the wiser either!
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I think the panic is worse than usual because the club have finally made some progress in the PL and this appointment is key to both our progress and keeping our best players at the club. In addition to trying to sign Foster.
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Why do people have an anti towards Phelan. He has been a key part of one of the most successful clubs in Europe over the past few years has he not?
The same would have been said about Brian Kidd, but that failed.
I think a club like ours should at least be able to attract a manager who has at least manged top level football.
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My concern is that we've known about the fact that we would need a new head coach since the end of April and here we are 5 weeks later still no further forward, and with respect looking as if we may be taking a backward step with some of the current candidates being mentioned.
Why everone keeps on about AVB god only knows he was discounted over a week ago, common sense would also dictate that with £12m in his back pocket he's unlikely to turn up at the bus station in Sandwell.
Phelan and Appleton?, Phelans been a no2 at Man U for a few years (some may say all his life) when they step out of Sir Alex's shadow they normally fall flat on their face Ala Brian Kid, Ricky Sbragia.
Appletons had half a season or so at a relegated club, not his fault but lacks the experience of standing on his own two feet.
The only outstanding candidate that's been linked is Ralph, and if reports are correct that the Albion are still looking for options that would suggest to me that they are worried that this fellow will not take the job, especially as he's being considered for the national job.
So for the next few days be prepared for all sorts of flotsam and jetsome being linked with the club.
The fact that according to Dan, 'we are always looking for the next manager' looks like hollow words at the moment.
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If its official, and we have drawn a line under the pursuit of Chris Hughton, that says to me that they are confident of getting who they want to take the job. Who that is God only knows.... and Jeremy Peace.
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the sense of panic quickly spreads it seems, as long as the person is appointed in the next 2-3 weeks itll be ok. swansea and norwich are none the wiser either!
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Not quite panic but genuine concern.
Why lump Swansea and Norwich in with us ? They have only just lost their managers and are not as established as us so we should be way ahead of both of them.
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If its official, and we have drawn a line under the pursuit of Chris Hughton, that says to me that they are confident of getting who they want to take the job. Who that is God only knows.... and Jeremy Peace.
Thats a good point to be fair
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I don't get what everyone thinks the rush is?
I know there are other jobs for managers to take, but I've every confidence that JP and DA are working on it, and that they'll have the right man in place in good time. I believe we are a bigger draw than Swansea or Norwich so any prospective manager will hold out I he thinks he's in with a chance?
The squad are either readying themselves for the euros or sunning themselves on the beach. Whilst I'm sure they're interested who the boss will be, I don't think they're running around looking for a new club because we haven't appointed someone.
Can we not just calm down, wait and see, and enjoy being disappointed at a major tournament once more??
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs...
The fact of the matter is that we do not know either way what decision RR has made.
It will be a major disappointment if he decides not to come to WBA, but there are other Head Coaches out there who are more than capable of filling the vacancy.
The Board have shown us that they know what they are doing ever since the day that they sacked Bryan Robson...
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Apologies, I didn't think anybody would pose a question that assumed that Ralf has accepted when he clearly has not.
No worries Alex :) thing is, me & 99. whatever percent of people on this forum are not privy to how negotiations are going, we don't really know who all the candidates are, many fans are anxious & it is very frustrating but I was trying to put a 'what if' slant on things.
Its common knowledge that DA has been away on holiday, what if they were waiting to announce the new man in a conference being flanked by JP & DA, what if the new man is discussing moving to a different country with his family, what if all the I's need dotting & the T's need to be crossed.
WBA do things differently to other clubs, very professionally in my humble, yes I'm a happy clapper, glass is always well over half full (no apologies) but regardless of optimism I believe JP will get the right man for Albion.
Jeremy Peace, Dan Ashworth & the board have had a taste of the honey over the last couple of seasons, they would need to be pretty stupid to make an appointment that will destroy all that good work.
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Surely the fact that AVB has already pocketed £12m from Chelsea should increase his chance of coming here? Money should be a far lower priority for him, and it's a "project" right up his street.
Is he going to land a job at the moment which pays as well as Chelsea? No. If he's not earning for the next year or two while waiting for a big job, then surely he might as well take an attractive project like Albion now.
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My concern is that we've known about the fact that we would need a new head coach since the end of April and here we are 5 weeks later still no further forward, and with respect looking as if we may be taking a backward step with some of the current candidates being mentioned.
Why everone keeps on about AVB god only knows he was discounted over a week ago, common sense would also dictate that with £12m in his back pocket he's unlikely to turn up at the bus station in Sandwell.
Phelan and Appleton?, Phelans been a no2 at Man U for a few years (some may say all his life) when they step out of Sir Alex's shadow they normally fall flat on their face Ala Brian Kid, Ricky Sbragia.
Appletons had half a season or so at a relegated club, not his fault but lacks the experience of standing on his own two feet.
The only outstanding candidate that's been linked is Ralph, and if reports are correct that the Albion are still looking for options that would suggest to me that they are worried that this fellow will not take the job, especially as he's being considered for the national job.
So for the next few days be prepared for all sorts of flotsam and jetsome being linked with the club.
The fact that according to Dan, 'we are always looking for the next manager' looks like hollow words at the moment.
From what I have read they knew that RH was to be offered the England job as early as February/March but kept it confidential so as to not disrupt our season until we were absolutely safe so if true that makes the situation even worse in terms of the time finding a replacement.
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I am not sure what the big concern is over the Birmingham Mail article, its pretty much what we knew anyway, it was reported last Tuesday that Hughton was not likely hence Rangnick name been mentioned a lot, todays article pretty much says the same.
By the sounds we may have made another attempt the weekend (hence Tom Ross tweet as well as the Bham Mail) but i would say either -
a) we really werent that fussed about Hughton, he was an option but he wasnt 'the man' as we were led to believe (the club havent ever commented to be fair) we have known for 5 weeks now that Roy was going, Hughtons season ended 4 weeks ago and i am sure if we were that desperare for him then we would meet the £2m supposed asking price as it football terms thats a pittance.
b) its a big smokescreen and he will be our manager!
The club have played this very close to their chest, there has not been one quote from us regarding an actual candidate, even the Ranieri stuff came from his end, it must be frustrating for the local media as they possibly know more than they can let on but they are just fed snippets what they can actually publish.
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I guess we knew about Hodgson weeks before end of season, if not months.
I consider it unacceptable we have not appointed by now. If rangnick was there v arsenal why wait 5 weeks and now risk losing him.
We're penny pinching. Just get it done peace and if we appoint appleton, wait for the backlash.
The end of hughton as candidate must mean someone else is lined up.... Or we must be confident someone accepted....
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Or is our tactic to first discreetly line up a high quality replacement for Foster so that we can then pounce for Hughton without fear of it knackering a deal for Foster?
McGregor, Green or the PIG perhaps?
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The problem with us knowing Roy was going was we couldn't really approach anyone as the cat would easily have been out of the bag.
For me as long as it's sorted before the Euros kick off I'll be happy.
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Not quite panic but genuine concern.
Why lump Swansea and Norwich in with us ? They have only just lost their managers and are not as established as us so we should be way ahead of both of them.
they arent that far ahead of us, and thats unfair we've only been in this league one more season than they have! doesnt put us lightyears ahead.
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The problem with us knowing Roy was going was we couldn't really approach anyone as the cat would easily have been out of the bag.
For me as long as it's sorted before the Euros kick off I'll be happy.
It wouldn't have let anything put the bag, afterall Roy was out of contract. We should have been looking around actively anyway.
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The same would have been said about Brian Kidd, but that failed.
I think a club like ours should at least be able to attract a manager who has at least manged top level football.
Brendan Rogers seems to have succeeded as working as a No. 2 I have also rated Steve Clarke, a highly sought after No. 2 who may one day manage in his own right.
Phelan or Clarke would do me.
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I guess we knew about Hodgson weeks before end of season, if not months.
I consider it unacceptable we have not appointed by now. If rangnick was there v arsenal why wait 5 weeks and now risk losing him.
We're penny pinching. Just get it done peace and if we appoint appleton, wait for the backlash.
The end of hughton as candidate must mean someone else is lined up.... Or we must be confident someone accepted....
Totally agree about Rangnick, and maybe the reasons will come out if he ever comes.
I also find it unacceptable that they have decided against Hughton now, surely the board knew Blues would fight tooth and nail to keep him, so they could have dropped the interest in him weeks go.
If this was Wolves we would be takin the mick left right and centre, and we are supposed to be "always looking at the next manager". It's been two months now and, although admittedly its out of season, we are looking a bit desperate if Ralf decides not to come, and let's face it it would appear he's had five weeks to think about it.
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I would love to take a break for a few days from this managerial hunt but I can't avoid it as one of my family is bound to tell me if anything happens.
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Totally off topic & in an attempt to lift the doom & gloom.............drum roll!!!!!!!
Joey Barton got punched in the face last night ;D ;D ;D
That'll be moved :D
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First of all, at the moment, I am not being critical of JP and our manager hunt,yet, but, I do start to wonder if our due diligence produces the desired outcome, mostly because it is so ponderous that we are not able to move decisively either in this managerial hunt or on occasions on transfers, there is a phrase "paralysis by analysis", if this drags on much longer, I think it is reasonable to suggest that this is the case.
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My concern is that we've known about the fact that we would need a new head coach since the end of April and here we are 5 weeks later still no further forward, and with respect looking as if we may be taking a backward step with some of the current candidates being mentioned.
Why everone keeps on about AVB god only knows he was discounted over a week ago, common sense would also dictate that with £12m in his back pocket he's unlikely to turn up at the bus station in Sandwell.
Phelan and Appleton?, Phelans been a no2 at Man U for a few years (some may say all his life) when they step out of Sir Alex's shadow they normally fall flat on their face Ala Brian Kid, Ricky Sbragia.
Appletons had half a season or so at a relegated club, not his fault but lacks the experience of standing on his own two feet.
The only outstanding candidate that's been linked is Ralph, and if reports are correct that the Albion are still looking for options that would suggest to me that they are worried that this fellow will not take the job, especially as he's being considered for the national job.
So for the next few days be prepared for all sorts of flotsam and jetsome being linked with the club.
The fact that according to Dan, 'we are always looking for the next manager' looks like hollow words at the moment.
I think Rangnick has been on our radar for a while and Hughton was most definitely someone we were interested in. Part of the delay was Birmingham being involved in the play-offs and we could not move on Hughton. The other consideration was that Raneiri emerged as a potential candidate and we did spend time exploring that possibility which obviously came to nothing when he chose the cosmopolitan delights of Monte Carlos over the more down to earth charm of the Black Country :)
It would appear we have settled on Rangnick as our preferred candidate but he is at the top end of the potential candidates we could attract so by definition he will not be short of options therefore it might take time.
While we are pursuing Rangnick I agree all sorts of names will be linked because undoubtedly the club has a plan b because I do not think they can count on landing Rangnick. What is equally plain is the club has kept the whole search process very quite so most speculation is completely uninformed.
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I think Rangnick has been on our radar for a while and Hughton was most definitely someone we were interested in. Part of the delay was Birmingham being involved in the play-offs and we could not move on Hughton. The other consideration was that Raneiri emerged as a potential candidate and we did spend time exploring that possibility which obviously came to nothing when he chose the cosmopolitan delights of Monte Carlos over the more down to earth charm of the Black Country :)
It would appear we have settled on Rangnick as our preferred candidate but he is at the top end of the potential candidates we could attract so by definition he will not be short of options therefore it might take time.
While we are pursuing Rangnick I agree all sorts of names will be linked because undoubtedly the club has a plan b because I do not think they can count on landing Rangnick. What is equally plain is the club has kept the whole search process very quite so most speculation is completely uninformed.
Rangnick was here on 13th May for the Arsenal game, so wether he was offered the job then or not, he's had almost four weeks to make up his mind wether to accept or not if the job was offered.
So I would speculate he either hasn't been offered the job or he's playing JP along.
Having said that JP doesn't come accross as the sort of guy you could mess about.
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Ok a synopsis of this fantastically entertaining on running saga - The Search For A New WBA Coach
Roy gets the England job leaving WBA short of a top quality coach. WBA put the feelers out according to their current availability list to a host of eligible candidates to see if they have an interest.
Once done they compile a short list of coaches that they think are the ones worth pursuing particularly the ones out of contract or out of work. Those under contract are put to one side for a moment.
WBA hold formal interviews for their preferred choices. Top of the list Claudio Ranieri. We get close but faced with choice between Sutton Coldfield and Monaco on more money understandably we lose out. No2 choice Ralf Rangnick offered the job and may or may not have turned it down. Probably has other options but has a desire to coach in the PL. Will have been on more money in the Bundersliga than WBA will be able or willing to pay. Other people were given a formal interview Ray Wilkins, Steve Clarke, Alan Curbishly but the club defer them permanently or for now.
Running along side this are potential candidates under contract top targets possibly Chris Hughton and Roberto Martinez both well regarded but both will command hefty compo. Martinez seems intent on bigger things and Hughton has very recently been ruled out. Either he doesnt want to come to WBA or WBA dont want to pay the compo because they feel better value can be had elsewhere.
So where are the club now. They really want a top quality coach but with Albion tapping on the glass ceiling from consecutive 11th/10th finishes this is easier said than done with a shortage of candidates.
One or two outsiders that could possibly figure Benitez, Erikkson just for for example or the Baggies have to go down the ladder where there are endless possibilites Appleton, Malky Mckay, Lee Clark, Mike Phelan tc etc
Next chapter eagerly awaited.
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/06/04/west-brom-ranf-rangnick-in-running-for-belgian-national-team-97319-31109510/
West Brom: Ralf Rangnick in running for Belgian national team job
By Chris Lepkowski
Jun 4 2012
West Brom target Ralf Rangnick has emerged as a potential managerial candidate for the Belgian national team.
Marc Wilmots is currently the interim coach but the Belgium FA are looking for a more experienced boss.
The German has been interviewed several times by Albion, who have remained in dialogue with him over the course of the week.
The Baggies are waiting to find out whether he would be willing to move to England.
Sources in Belgium suggest the FA are in no rush to appoint a new boss but the very fact that Rangnick is being considered could hasten Albion's decision to try to force the issue.
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Rangnick was here on 13th May for the Arsenal game, so wether he was offered the job then or not, he's had almost four weeks to make up his mind wether to accept or not if the job was offered.
So I would speculate he either hasn't been offered the job or he's playing JP along.
Having said that JP doesn't come accross as the sort of guy you could mess about.
No offers on or around 13th May first stage of the courtship very much come and have a look no commitment from either party. My guess is we have been in serious discussions since Raneiri took the Monaco job and we stopped talking to other potential candidates which is about a week. Hughton has not been a serious contender since initial contact was made with Blues about a fortnight ago.
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Top of the range Mercedes with number plate RR1 spotted at the Hawthorns. Suitcases scattered across the back seat. Birmingham mail opened to the property section in the passenger seat.
:P
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Top of the range Mercedes with number plate RR1 spotted at the Hawthorns. Suitcases scattered across the back seat. Birmingham mail opened to the property section in the passenger seat.
:P
Quick, tell sky.
They'll have an "understands" report before you know it.
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Top of the range Mercedes with number plate RR1 spotted at the Hawthorns. Suitcases scattered across the back seat. Birmingham mail opened to the property section in the passenger seat.
:P
funny you should say that... :o
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I'm 100% behind the club but this process is really starting to get frustrating. I do wonder what the alternative looks like if RR doesn't take the job. I'd join the majority if we end up with somebody like Phelan etc
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Steve Clarke has come into the frame from nowhere......The plot thickens!!!
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alan buckley
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I wouldn't be averse to Steve Clarke, he's an excellent coach, arguably the best around. Zero managerial experience would be the obvious concern.
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Steve Clarke has come into the frame from nowhere......The plot thickens!!!
Rodgers let him go a couple of days ago.
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Clarke would smack of desperation - no experience, big risk, and seemingly no real interest in the number one job. He's a coach.
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I think Clarke was actually interveiwed if I remember correctly? Probably further down our list but if Ralf turns us down I think I'd rather have Clarke than Whelan or Appleton. Best of a bad bunch to be honest.
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apptleton would be a disaster would kill the albion...... wouldnt attract anyone.
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i just wanted this sorted, regardless of who it is. losing patience and getting fed up of caring so much.
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What a mess this appears to be. Where we go from here is anyones guess.
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I hope the club has got a concrete target now they have ruled hughton out. Don't want us ending up like the wolves last season, although I can't see that happening.
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What a mess this appears to be. Where we go from here is anyones guess.
i dont think it does we are only making it sound like a mess on here as the club have not said a word about anything.....I like this i think its far more proffesional than aiaring all our dirty wasing in public!
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I am curious why the club (presumably) has announced via the press that we are not pursuing CH seeing that it has kept everything completely secret up to now.
What do you think?
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What a mess this appears to be. Where we go from here is anyones guess.
MICHAEL LAUDRUP!!!!! ;)
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I am curious why the club (presumably) has announced via the press that we are not pursuing CH seeing that it has kept everything completely secret up to now.
What do you think?
Maybe a warning to stay away and Foster is yours, in today's game i think this one would be more than likely.
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i just wanted this sorted, regardless of who it is. losing patience and getting fed up of caring so much.
In any business there are key roles, you identify suitable candidate(s) but on occasion, for reasons beyond your control, the appointment becomes problematic.
That's no reason to panic and just appoint anyone just to fill the role is it?
Yes it is a little frustrating that the issue has not yet been resolved but even more reason to keep a clear head and focus on making the best decision for the club, and if that unfortunately takes a little longer than anticipated then so be it.
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Would people rather wait a week and get the right man or get just anyone now to stop the panic. As Mr Winner would say "Calm down dear"
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The problem for me is that Ralf was to turn down the job this time next week, considering we've drew a line under Hughton, then who do we look to? The names mentioned such as Appleton and Phelan are nowhere near in the same league as Ralf Rangnick. I still have faith that we can pull it off but it just seems to be the slowest process in history and I'm normally quite patient.
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singing eye eye APPY APPY eye
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paddypower ?@paddypower
BREAKING: We've suspended betting on Christ Hughton to become the next Norwich manager after a flood of bets this morning.
If its Appleton he'll get my full backing from day one as will whoever does take over but I can't deny it will be a big disappointment
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Or is our tactic to first discreetly line up a high quality replacement for Foster so that we can then pounce for Hughton without fear of it knackering a deal for Foster?
McGregor, Green or the PIG perhaps?
that would smack of albion trying to do things on the cheap again. foster is a priority, pay the going rate for a top top goalie or go for a second rater for free!!!
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The problem for me is that Ralf was to turn down the job this time next week, considering we've drew a line under Hughton, then who do we look to? The names mentioned such as Appleton and Phelan are nowhere near in the same league as Ralf Rangnick. I still have faith that we can pull it off but it just seems to be the slowest process in history and I'm normally quite patient.
For a club like us to get the very best manager we can was always going to take time mate.As Baggie79 says keep calm!
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paddypower ?@paddypower
BREAKING: We've suspended betting on Christ Hughton to become the next Norwich manager after a flood of bets this morning.
If its Appleton he'll get my full backing from day one as will whoever does take over but I can't deny it will be a big disappointment
Agreed we should support however gets the post but If it goes to Appleton I only see one outcome and that is struggle. Just dont think he has enough experience yet. RDM got us promoted and still got fired when it all went Pete Tong. If we have to go back down the ladder then we should at least go for a man with some solid league experience like a Mckay or a Hollaway
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It won't be Appleton
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Getting a bit twitchy now.
Hughton heavily linked with Norwich now (guess they are prepared to go down the compo route), and now RR being linked with other jobs... I don't like the guys attitude though... done well in German, but the stress of a managing in a foreign country, with a mid to lower league team, potentially losing some of their top players, will be at the same level or higher levels of 'exhaustion' for him.
I'll say it again, we need someone in before Euros, or players will be getting nervy about their future and our ambitions... see Mulumbu already....
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Getting a bit twitchy now.
Hughton heavily linked with Norwich now (guess they are prepared to go down the compo route), and now RR being linked with other jobs... I don't like the guys attitude though... done well in German, but the stress of a managing in a foreign country, with a mid to lower league team, potentially losing some of their top players, will be at the same level or higher levels of 'exhaustion' for him.
I'll say it again, we need someone in before Euros, or players will be getting nervy about their future and our ambitions... see Mulumbu already....
Dont worry about the players they will be going nowhere unless the club wants it to happen. All our best players bar Ollson and Thomas have got 2 years or more on their contracts.
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Just seen something about Laudrup to Swansea. I would like us to be looking into Laudrup and seeing if we could get him here.
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Just wondering, if CH had wanted to come here (assuming the job was going to be his) all he had to do was resign at bloose.
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For a club like us to get the very best manager we can was always going to take time mate.As Baggie79 says keep calm!
I know mate, and I'm prepared to give it time. My major concern is that is Ralf suddenly decides that the job is not the job he's looking for. Considering we've ruled out Hughton (and he appears Norwich bound), who else do we turn to? The other names mentioned aren't very inspiring to say the least. The best one out there after him is probably Michael Laudrup and I'm quite surprised he hasn't been mentioned in many newspapers to date to be honest.
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I think we just need to be calm,rangnick must be very close to being our manager because we have ruled hughton out. This stupid bank holiday is slowing things down. :(
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I'm prepared to wait for the right candidate like a lot of you but what if Hughton goes to Norwich, Laudrup to Swansea and Ragnick to Belgium, where does that leaves us?
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Just seen something about Laudrup to Swansea. I would like us to be looking into Laudrup and seeing if we could get him here.
I would have liked to see us at least offer him an interview. Apparently the board discussed him but he hasn't been interviewed, or if he has they've done very well to keep it quiet.
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Gotta keep the faith people. I expect an announcement on Wednesday. Wish the Queen would have been a bit more considerate with her Jubilee. I mean whats 60 years of rule compared to West Bromwich Albion?
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What about BERND SCHUSTER ?
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The former Real Madrid boss most noted achievement was winning the La Liga title in his first season at the
Bernabeu while playing an attractive style of football , much in demand by the fans after suceeding a certain
defensive coach in Fabio Cappello in July 2007 . Two excellent seasons at the little known spanish club Gatafe
landed Schuster the Real job , but he was on his way out of the spanish capital come December 2008 has yet
to return .
"OVER TO YOU JEREMY PEACE"!!!!!!!!
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If it`s Appy and you knew, it raise your hand.....
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If it`s Appy and you knew, it raise your hand.....
Put a fiver on at 20/1 so that if it is, I get something out of it. Hope not though....
Cannot see him attracting players...
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If Hughton goes to Norwich, we will have a constant reminder of what 'could have been' all season, that will put more pressure on the new manager... whoever if may be
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I can't really see that the Bank Holiday has anything to do with the delay. After all many shops and businesses are working as normal. Surely a football club in the biggest league in the World wouldn't let a couple of Bank Holiday days get in the way of their business.
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I can't really see that the Bank Holiday has anything to do with the delay. After all many shops and businesses are working as normal. Surely a football club in the biggest league in the World wouldn't let a couple of Bank Holiday days get in the way of their business.
Well said that man. The wheels are in motion Mr Peace is not telling and he is quite right not to because if he did there would be even more nervousness and disrest in the camp.
While the lack of massive funds may be disappointing the acumen of Peace is not. Trust him.
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I still think we have a good chance of getting Rangnick. It takes time to make a decision to move countries especially when you have settled kids etc. Clearly there are a few things he would want to iron out with Peace before making a decision like the transfer kitty/policy and wages etc and whether he and the club share ambitions.
I'm skeptical about the Belgium national job links for Rangnick as he's apparently wanted to work in the Premier League for years, but if he does take the Belgium job, I think it will be a rabbit out of JP's hat. Someone like Laudrup or Schuster. Surely with all these managers we could have pursued turning to Appleton would be a sign of desperation?
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Just checked the odds (as I'm an idiot at the moment- thankyou West Brom!) and RR is still odds on favourite with most Bookies. Not a lot of movement in the market.
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Just checked the odds (as I'm an idiot at the moment- thankyou West Brom!) and RR is still odds on favourite with most Bookies. Not a lot of movement in the market.
The betfair exchange gives you a much better idea, forget what the bookies do, their volume is tiny in comparison. http://sports.betfair.com/Index.do?mi=105705446&ex=1&origin=MRL
You will see that he is odds against which many punters would argue are the right odds given that he may have been offered the job and may still be thinking about it.
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Does ditching the Chris Hughton situation clear the path for someone else to accept the job?
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Does ditching the Chris Hughton situation clear the path for someone else to accept the job?
It could mean anything really. The best thing would be an assurance from RR but it could also mean we got wind of Norwich's approach and just wanted to distance ourselves so that we don't look like we've lost out to them.
I've been trying to find out about the Belgian national team boss link with RR. Didn't find too much other than a story on a Belgian website (newspaper?) where he was mentioned last in a long and rather prestigious list - Louis Van Gaal auch Lothar Matthäus, Otto Pfister und Ralf Rangnick.
Not sure that there's much in this.
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It could mean anything really. The best thing would be an assurance from RR but it could also mean we got wind of Norwich's approach and just wanted to distance ourselves so that we don't look like we've lost out to them.
I've been trying to find out about the Belgian national team boss link with RR. Didn't find too much other than a story on a Belgian website (newspaper?) where he was mentioned last in a long and rather prestigious list - Louis Van Gaal auch Lothar Matthäus, Otto Pfister und Ralf Rangnick.
Not sure that there's much in this.
Looks alphabetically last to me! ;D
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Looks alphabetically last to me! ;D
Didn't think of that and you're probably right; however, Eric Gerets (Morrocan national team coach) seems to be favourite and those are big reputation names in the list with RR.
Here's the link if anyone's interested. (Open it in chrome as it needs translating.)
http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.deutsch/sport/120604_Wilmots%2BGerets%2BRangnick%2B
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Didn't think of that and you're probably right; however, Eric Gerets (Morrocan national team coach) seems to be favourite and those are big reputation names in the list with RR.
Here's the link if anyone's interested. (Open it in chrome as it needs translating.)
http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.deutsch/sport/120604_Wilmots%2BGerets%2BRangnick%2B
Eric Gerets was the hardest sticker to get in the Mexico 86 Panini Album. Completely irrelevant but i'll always remember aquiring Eric Gerets to complete the full book of stickers!
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Eric Gerets was the hardest sticker to get in the Mexico 86 Panini Album. Completely irrelevant but i'll always remember aquiring Eric Gerets to complete the full book of stickers!
So you're saying Belgium have no chance of getting Gerets? :D
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Thank Christ its not Hughton :)
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I think i might go and put 500 on Holloway, create some hysteria :D
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There seems to be a slightly different slant to the Rangnick situation from the German media. I've got teletext from ARD satellite(like the German BBC) on and it says (translating),
Rangnick by West Brom in waiting room. Rangnick is by WBA despite publicised discussions, not the first choice for the Coach position. According to The Birmingham Mail West Brom have tried unsuccessfully to pay off Birmingham City for Chris Hughton. However, the efforts of the Throstles failed.
This says to me that we have prioritised Hughton, but it didn't come off, and we're putting Rangnick on hold. If that is the case I hope we are doing everything to finalise terms with RR, but he might be a bit put out not being the first choice. No mention in the Teletext about the Belgian job which could also a bit of a signal from RR to hurry up.
Unless there's something we don't know about Rangnick, he does seem the stand out candidate, and I wish we would go in and finalise the deal as otherwise he's going to get pretty much hacked off with waiting.
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There seems to be a slightly different slant to the Rangnick situation from the German media. I've got teletext from ARD satellite(like the German BBC) on and it says (translating),
Rangnick by West Brom in waiting room. Rangnick is by WBA despite publicised discussions, not the first choice for the Coach position. According to The Birmingham Mail West Brom have tried unsuccessfully to pay off Birmingham City for Chris Hughton. However, the efforts of the Throstles failed.
This says to me that we have prioritised Hughton, but it didn't come off, and we're putting Rangnick on hold. If that is the case I hope we are doing everything to finalise terms with RR, but he might be a bit put out not being the first choice. No mention in the Teletext about the Belgian job which could also a bit of a signal from RR to hurry up.
Unless there's something we don't know about Rangnick, he does seem the stand out candidate, and I wish we would go in and finalise the deal as otherwise he's going to get pretty much hacked off with waiting.
German press are basically saying Ralf is not number one choice now, after its came to light we tried to get Chris Hughton at the weekend via Birmingham Mail. Seen a few articles about it.
I agree I hope we are trying to get Ralf now as much as we can.
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I don't know what to think about this. We must have really wanted Hughton badly if it is true. Most on here would prefer RR to CH based on their CVs. What I think might be happening is that the Germans are discovering that WBA has tighter secuity than the NSA and are resorting to raiding our local press for stories that our local press will then raid them for. With everyone running round in circles nothing meaningful will come out until JP decides to inform us.
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The way i see it working is something like this...
Ralf is our number one choice. We have offered him the job and are waiting on his decision.
Hughton was our back up and we sounded out Blues the weekend in way of a contingency.
Reports both here and in Germany are reporting different elements of this to give their own slant on it.
Let's just hope we have a back up for the back up. And potentially a back up for the back up, back up ;D
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The way i see it working is something like this...
Ralf is our number one choice. We have offered him the job and are waiting on his decision.
Hughton was our back up and we sounded out Blues the weekend in way of a contingency.
Reports both here and in Germany are reporting different elements of this to give their own slant on it.
Let's just hope we have a back up for the back up. And potentially a back up for the back up, back up ;D
Back up back up back up is appleton
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People need to chill out. It was only a few days ago that we thought Ralf certainly had the job - indeed, this is also what I heard from a very ITK person at WBA.
We'll have to wait and see. I think all the panicking is causing people to think up new situations for the managerial position etc. - everyone let's forget it and see if there's any progress later in the week 8)
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Back up back up back up is appleton
How much longer will we have to wait to hear? It cant be Appleton, JP would not do that to us would he. I am sure he would not like to hear the anger aimed at him over such a stupid appointment.
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All we are hearing is the little snippets the press are gathering.
Albion never air their washing in public,unlike the weem gooin to do this and that attitude, of our poor neighbours from Molineux.
I think most of us said nothing would happen until after the bank holiday.
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no one really knows anything, do they? i havent now and never will listen to gossip and unfounded rumours untill someone is actually at the hawthorns in a press conference sitting there with jp. i wont believe anything i read on here or anywere else!!
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All we are hearing is the little snippets the press are gathering.
Albion never air their washing in public,unlike the weem gooin to do this and that attitude, of our poor neighbours from Molineux.
I think most of us said nothing would happen until after the bank holiday.
Well said divinewind. Anybody remember the mockery made of our neighbours antics a few months ago? That all came from them releasing information so be careful what we wish for.
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There seems to be a slightly different slant to the Rangnick situation from the German media. I've got teletext from ARD satellite(like the German BBC) on and it says (translating),
Rangnick by West Brom in waiting room. Rangnick is by WBA despite publicised discussions, not the first choice for the Coach position. According to The Birmingham Mail West Brom have tried unsuccessfully to pay off Birmingham City for Chris Hughton. However, the efforts of the Throstles failed.
This says to me that we have prioritised Hughton, but it didn't come off, and we're putting Rangnick on hold. If that is the case I hope we are doing everything to finalise terms with RR, but he might be a bit put out not being the first choice. No mention in the Teletext about the Belgian job which could also a bit of a signal from RR to hurry up.
Unless there's something we don't know about Rangnick, he does seem the stand out candidate, and I wish we would go in and finalise the deal as otherwise he's going to get pretty much hacked off with waiting.
The report in the German news may be just their slant on the situation.
It could be totally the other way round with Rangnick wanting time to think it over and we approached the Blues incase he says no.
I wouldn't read to much into that particular report.
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hope its rangnick, listened to Tony Woodcock on talk sport he said he rated him vey highly speaks very good english and is always in england watching matches , also said he is a very goodcoach and works well improving players . never mind the rest hes our man. I also read last week that they wanted to finalise the position before DA went on holiday last week so i can only assume thats where we are at (fingers crossed).
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hoping we'll have news tomorrow, i'm going to leave my footytwits on all day in the hopes that we hear something!
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Does anyone reckon that Rangnick would be a big enough appointment for the club to encourage Olsson to sign a new contract? As his interviews have probably suggested he would have if Roy stayed on.
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Does anyone reckon that Rangnick would be a big enough appointment for the club to encourage Olsson to sign a new contract? As his interviews have probably suggested he would have if Roy stayed on.
I don't know.
I don't really care that much either. Olsson is a vital player but it's not up to him who he'll respect as manager.
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Didn't think of that and you're probably right; however, Eric Gerets (Morrocan national team coach) seems to be favourite and those are big reputation names in the list with RR.
Here's the link if anyone's interested. (Open it in chrome as it needs translating.)
http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.deutsch/sport/120604_Wilmots%2BGerets%2BRangnick%2B
I'm not sure this has come up yet, but in this article there's something interesting in it about Rangnick and WBA.
Doch Entscheidungen standen noch aus, denn auch Bayern München und der britische Premier League-Verein West Bromwich Albion meldeten Interesse an.
Nach Angaben der Sportredaktion der flämischen Tageszeitung De Morgen habe der 53jährige jeweils um eine Woche Bedenkzeit gebeten, denn er warte auf Meldungen aus Belgien.
It says that Bayern Munich and WBA have shown interest in Ralf. According to Flemish newspaper De Morgen the 53year old requested one week respectively (each for Bayern and WBA) to think about it since he's waiting for news from Belgium.
Bayern Munich indeed are looking for a new head-coach. Uli already confirmed that. But not for the next season but for the 2013/2014 season. I know that Uli and Ralf did have some arguments in the past when Ralf was at Hoffenheim and competed with Bayern for the Herbstmeisterschaft. Uli called him arrogant and the arrows were sent from both sides. But Uli's not in charge anymore for the operational business at Bayern. However, he's has still major influence on appointing a new manager.
I was checking the mentioned Belgian website and there was nothing on it. Well, this one week time for consideration could be the reason why WBA haven't announced anything yet. It's obvious that the board wants to be prepared in case Ralf rejects the offer and they have to look for other potential candidates.
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Surely the fact that AVB has already pocketed £12m from Chelsea should increase his chance of coming here? Money should be a far lower priority for him, and it's a "project" right up his street.
Is he going to land a job at the moment which pays as well as Chelsea? No. If he's not earning for the next year or two while waiting for a big job, then surely he might as well take an attractive project like Albion now.
110% what I said at work...
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As commented on vital football this to me sums everything up in a nutshell and we will only know when they want us to know
"Basically nobody but the Albion board know what is going on, and everyone else is chasing their own tails to create news."
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Surely the fact that AVB has already pocketed £12m from Chelsea should increase his chance of coming here? Money should be a far lower priority for him, and it's a "project" right up his street.
Is he going to land a job at the moment which pays as well as Chelsea? No. If he's not earning for the next year or two while waiting for a big job, then surely he might as well take an attractive project like Albion now.
At the minute AVB is damaged goods much like Roy was went he left Liverpool. WBA is the perfect opportunity for him to shine up his CV again. Give him a twelve month rolling contract and all he needs to do is guide us to a top 10 finish then one of the big clubs in Europe will be in for him.
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I'm not sure this has come up yet, but in this article there's something interesting in it about Rangnick and WBA.
It says that Bayern Munich and WBA have shown interest in Ralf. According to Flemish newspaper De Morgen the 53year old requested one week respectively (each for Bayern and WBA) to think about it since he's waiting for news from Belgium.
Bayern Munich indeed are looking for a new head-coach. Uli already confirmed that. But not for the next season but for the 2013/2014 season. I know that Uli and Ralf did have some arguments in the past when Ralf was at Hoffenheim and competed with Bayern for the Herbstmeisterschaft. Uli called him arrogant and the arrows were sent from both sides. But Uli's not in charge anymore for the operational business at Bayern. However, he's has still major influence on appointing a new manager.
I was checking the mentioned Belgian website and there was nothing on it. Well, this one week time for consideration could be the reason why WBA haven't announced anything yet. It's obvious that the board wants to be prepared in case Ralf rejects the offer and they have to look for other potential candidates.
Thanks for trying to keep us updated.
The first we were told about Rangnick requesting a week to decide was last Wednesday, so will hopefully hear something by midweek.
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I'm not sure this has come up yet, but in this article there's something interesting in it about Rangnick and WBA.
It says that Bayern Munich and WBA have shown interest in Ralf. According to Flemish newspaper De Morgen the 53year old requested one week respectively (each for Bayern and WBA) to think about it since he's waiting for news from Belgium.
Bayern Munich indeed are looking for a new head-coach. Uli already confirmed that. But not for the next season but for the 2013/2014 season. I know that Uli and Ralf did have some arguments in the past when Ralf was at Hoffenheim and competed with Bayern for the Herbstmeisterschaft. Uli called him arrogant and the arrows were sent from both sides. But Uli's not in charge anymore for the operational business at Bayern. However, he's has still major influence on appointing a new manager.
I was checking the mentioned Belgian website and there was nothing on it. Well, this one week time for consideration could be the reason why WBA haven't announced anything yet. It's obvious that the board wants to be prepared in case Ralf rejects the offer and they have to look for other potential candidates.
Danke schoen S04
Now I'm confused as I thought RR was waiting on West Brom for decision. It's disappointing if Ralf is seriously considering the Belgian job. Some might fancy their chances at a national team job, but alot of coaches would prefer a chance to manage a club in the Prem. We shall see. Looking at the article in De Morgen, the Belgian job has a longer shortlist than the Albion job. Depends I suppose on what is a shortlist. I didn't realise Bayern were being linked. For alot of coaches that would be a no brainer as they are obviously one of the top clubs in Europe. However, it's probably more complicated than that. There's alot of politics around Bayern and their board are less patient than most. I'm still optimistic
that given Rangnick's undoubted interest in English football, there can be a meeting of minds with JP/DA.
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End of last week his spokesman said they would be talking with west brom on Tuesday I don't thing anything as changed since then so fingers crossed.
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Hm, yes I got confused by the Belgian link since it mentioned some interest in "Ralle" by Bayern München, I didn't understand it, so I had to check on the internet if Heyncke was still BM manager (I wondered if I had missed him leaving or something). But it explains all this confusion (WBA yes/no/other options yes/no) if BM want Rangnick later, you simply don't scoff at clubs of BM's stature if they want you as manager.
My guess is that Rangnick, by some distance, is the most qualified candidate we have for the job as our new manager, so we have decided it is worth the gamble to wait for him.
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My guess is that Rangnick, by some distance, is the most qualified candidate we have for the job as our new manager, so we have decided it is worth the gamble to wait for him.
My guess too..... his CV means we would be utter Dingles not to at least let it play out....
....and we would be mad to not have also had a Plan B working as quietly as possible in the background (which has muddied the waters)
I see people getting upset/depressed/excited/elated all on the strength of Press reports in Germany being put through Google Translate by members of the MEDIA and published in England and then the Germany Press putting those English articles back through Google Translate to update their original stories...... :o
End of last week his spokesman said they would be talking with west brom on Tuesday I don't thing anything as changed since then so fingers crossed.
exactly :)
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Damage Limitation Exercise...Olsen and Mulumbu offered player/manager roles. :P
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Hm, yes I got confused by the Belgian link since it mentioned some interest in "Ralle" by Bayern München, I didn't understand it, so I had to check on the internet if Heyncke was still BM manager (I wondered if I had missed him leaving or something). But it explains all this confusion (WBA yes/no/other options yes/no) if BM want Rangnick later, you simply don't scoff at clubs of BM's stature if they want you as manager.
My guess is that Rangnick, by some distance, is the most qualified candidate we have for the job as our new manager, so we have decided it is worth the gamble to wait for him.
I think that Bayern thing is absolutely garbage. Heynckes is still there and right now there are many other options for Bayern. Plus it's really early to discuss the new manager for the after next saison. Ralf is a quality manager, no doubt about that but with Ralf's absence the circus just moved on and new managers popped up in the Bundesliga. And Uli Hoeneß brought up names like Pep Guardiola (yeah right, as if the Spaniard came to München and learnt our difficult language).
As for the Belgian job, hhmm, I don't know. The less stressful job might be appealing but compared to a post in the Prem it's far less shiny.
As for the media, especially the there and back between German and English media, it reminds me of that kid's game Chinese whispers where the first person whispers Ralf is in for the job at West Brom and the last person shouts out Ray's got a new haircut. So I keep my fingers crossed and I'll be patient and as soon something new comes up from the German side, I'll try to update you.
@Alex: bitte schön und gern geschehen.
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Latest tweet from Chris Lepkowski
Still a lot of optimism that RR will be next boss. Things seem to be moving in right direction
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Latest tweet from Chris Lepkowski
Still a lot of optimism that RR will be next boss. Things seem to be moving in right direction
fingers crossed :D shut those mol mixers up
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Have to say a big thank you to all the German guys once again. Your collective insight on this topic has proven invaluable. I hope, whatever happen and whoever our next manager turns out to be, you stick around on the board and maybe keep a spot in your heart for the baggies.
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Latest tweet from Chris Lepkowski
Still a lot of optimism that RR will be next boss. Things seem to be moving in right direction
ya beat me to it! All sounds ok i think everybodies panicking
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I think that Bayern thing is absolutely garbage. Heynckes is still there and right now there are many other options for Bayern. Plus it's really early to discuss the new manager for the after next saison. Ralf is a quality manager, no doubt about that but with Ralf's absence the circus just moved on and new managers popped up in the Bundesliga. And Uli Hoeneß brought up names like Pep Guardiola (yeah right, as if the Spaniard came to München and learnt our difficult language).
As for the Belgian job, hhmm, I don't know. The less stressful job might be appealing but compared to a post in the Prem it's far less shiny.
As for the media, especially the there and back between German and English media, it reminds me of that kid's game Chinese whispers where the first person whispers Ralf is in for the job at West Brom and the last person shouts out Ray's got a new haircut. So I keep my fingers crossed and I'll be patient and as soon something new comes up from the German side, I'll try to update you.
@Alex: bitte schön und gern geschehen.
Uhh....would your name be Ralf by any chance? ;)
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I think that Bayern thing is absolutely garbage. Heynckes is still there and right now there are many other options for Bayern. Plus it's really early to discuss the new manager for the after next saison. Ralf is a quality manager, no doubt about that but with Ralf's absence the circus just moved on and new managers popped up in the Bundesliga. And Uli Hoeneß brought up names like Pep Guardiola (yeah right, as if the Spaniard came to München and learnt our difficult language).
As for the Belgian job, hhmm, I don't know. The less stressful job might be appealing but compared to a post in the Prem it's far less shiny.
As for the media, especially the there and back between German and English media, it reminds me of that kid's game Chinese whispers where the first person whispers Ralf is in for the job at West Brom and the last person shouts out Ray's got a new haircut. So I keep my fingers crossed and I'll be patient and as soon something new comes up from the German side, I'll try to update you.
@Alex: bitte schön und gern geschehen.
How good is your English? Better than about 80% of the people on this board !! Better than mine now I come to think about it !! It's great to get your information and opinions - thanks very much. I can see a relationship developing between West Brom fans and Schalke fans :D
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Tomorrow's the day, I can feel it in me waters. Oh hang on a minute, it's gin. I can feel it in me gin!
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Latest tweet from Chris Lepkowski
Still a lot of optimism that RR will be next boss. Things seem to be moving in right direction
Fingers crossed, I think the'l be talks between us and Ralf tomorrow hopefully meaning we can wrap it up Thursday or Friday to then be confirmed on the o/s by the middle of July.
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Out of interest, was it Ralf that signed Raul and Huntelaar?
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How good is your English? Better than about 80% of the people on this board !! Better than mine now I come to think about it !! It's great to get your information and opinions - thanks very much. I can see a relationship developing between West Brom fans and Schalke fans :D
From your use of colloquialisms and sentence construction and after having met and worked with German, Swiss, Dutch people, I believe you are either English living in Germany or have a parent who is a natural English speaker?
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From your use of colloquialisms and sentence construction and after having met and worked with German, Swiss, Dutch people, I believe you are either English living in Germany or have a parent who is a natural English speaker?
Praise indeed! ;D
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If we were ever interested in Hughton I cannot understand why we have ruled ourselves out. (although personally I'm not sure he is the right man).
Norwich appear to now be in the driving seat to sign Hughton.
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/06/05/west-brom-latest-on-search-for-the-new-manager-97319-31115274/
im not sure if this is new but it says th june at the top, saying very much rests on Rangnicks decision and theres no panic within the club. And if it fails with Ralf then theres the next bracket of managers of Appleton, Poyet, Clarke and Curbishley. Laudrops mentioned but only because his odds have dropped.
From everything we've read does it really sound like RR is a man who would want to work in an international regime? Sounds like he likes a project with a club. I've noticed we're all running out of steam on this topic!
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By the sounds of it RR doesn't appear to be overly enthusiastic about taking over, which is not a very good sign. We surely don't want someone who is dithering about whether or not he wants the job - we want someone full of enthusiasm.
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looks like Ralph is saying, don't call us we'll call you.
The 'second string' mentioned hardly enthuse the pallet! :(
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I think you guys are being pessimistic, I know if I got offered a job in Germany I'd want a week to think about it. And I'm 30 years younger than him with no family and now the chance of a job closer to home has come up it's thrown a new curve ball.
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My only worry is if he rejects us where do we go ? Laundrup will probaly wait for a bigger job. Gus Poyet is a good young manager but lacks experiance same goes for Appleton. I would take Poyet as manager but only if he brought someone with him to help him out like a Ray Wilkins or who ever.
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I think you guys are being pessimistic, I know if I got offered a job in Germany I'd want a week to think about it. And I'm 30 years younger than him with no family and now the chance of a job closer to home has come up it's thrown a new curve ball.
Would you want 5?
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/06/05/west-brom-latest-on-search-for-the-new-manager-97319-31115274/
I'm sorry but that article is just a quick mash together of old news and half rumour and guessing.
It sounds more like our Mr. Lepkowski has his nose out of joint as he seems to be completely out of the loop at the Club at the moment (actually through this whole process).
While he previously has been a sensible and knowledgeable reporter about the club I think he is feeling the pinch and has lost/been excluded from what happening so while trying not to betray his ignorance he has throw this little bit out there to cause some unrest.
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My only worry is if he rejects us where do we go ? Laundrup will probaly wait for a bigger job. Gus Poyet is a good young manager but lacks experiance same goes for Appleton. I would take Poyet as manager but only if he brought someone with him to help him out like a Ray Wilkins or who ever.
Trying to stay optimistic but how long do we wait ? If Ralf rules himself out then, if no Hughton (still not sure WHY we have ruled him out ???), then I really do fear for us with the poor candidates left....... :(
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Trying to stay optimistic but how long do we wait ? If Ralf rules himself out then, if no Hughton (still not sure WHY we have ruled him out ???), then I really do fear for us with the poor candidates left....... :(
I'd love to hear a rational explanation as to why we have ruled Hughton out at this stage. He's now top of Norwich's wanted list, and that is quite understandable in view of his track record. I don't buy into the theory that we haven't persued Hughton because we don't want to rock the boat in our bid to sign Foster.
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It can only be because we have heard positive news from Ralf. I can't think JP would rule out or second choice without having our first choice secured. I think its just a case of waiting for an announcement.
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I'm sorry but that article is just a quick mash together of old news and half rumour and guessing.
It sounds more like our Mr. Lepkowski has his nose out of joint as he seems to be completely out of the loop at the Club at the moment (actually through this whole process).
While he previously has been a sensible and knowledgeable reporter about the club I think he is feeling the pinch and has lost/been excluded from what happening so while trying not to betray his ignorance he has throw this little bit out there to cause some unrest.
From CL on twitter:
@chrislepkowski: Essentially waiting to find out what RR's decision is
Followed by (when asked if RR has been offered the job):
@chrislepkowski: ha. If he says yes then yes he has been. If he says no then it'll be claimed he hasn't.... #alanirvinesyndrome
Nose well out of joint if you ask me.
Seems like we are waiting on Ralf for a decision though.
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I'd love to hear a rational explanation as to why we have ruled Hughton out at this stage. He's now top of Norwich's wanted list, and that is quite understandable in view of his track record. I don't buy into the theory that we haven't persued Hughton because we don't want to rock the boat in our bid to sign Foster.
To be honest if CH was that set on joining us he would have forced the bloose board's hand and tendered his resignation.
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From CL on twitter:
@chrislepkowski: Essentially waiting to find out what RR's decision is
Followed by (when asked if RR has been offered the job):
@chrislepkowski: ha. If he says yes then yes he has been. If he says no then it'll be claimed he hasn't.... #alanirvinesyndrome
Nose well out of joint if you ask me.
Seems like we are waiting on Ralf for a decision though.
The key is - HOW LONG DO WE WAIT ?
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I feel as each min passes by that he will not take the job. If we have not heard anything by wednesday night we can assume i believe thats thats a no
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He might already have said yes but we don't want to announce it yet for fear of overshadowing the jubilee celebrations. #KingRalf
But as others have said, maybe he's made his decision hence the Hughton statement.
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Do we know when DA is back off holiday, it may just be that the club won't announce it without JP & DA to flank RR at the press conference, that's what I'm hoping anyway!!!
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Seems like Lepko is having a strop because the club are not forthcoming with information.
I feel sorry for him I really do.
Have people thought we may not have approached Hughton because due to our last two league finishes more established managers are now seriously interested.
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I'd love to hear a rational explanation as to why we have ruled Hughton out at this stage. He's now top of Norwich's wanted list, and that is quite understandable in view of his track record. I don't buy into the theory that we haven't persued Hughton because we don't want to rock the boat in our bid to sign Foster.
Apparently I read somewhere that we are still fond of hughton, but JP doesn't want to pay compensation for his back room staff so that's why we've ruled him out. Think it was from a blues version if CL.
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Seems like Lepko is having a strop because the club are not forthcoming with information.
I feel sorry for him I really do.
Have people thought we may not have approached Hughton because due to our last two league finishes more established managers are now seriously interested.
I hope that is the case. Nothing against CH but we should be aiming higher. My gut feeling is that he is/was the favourite and we've been put off by the compensation.
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I think that Bayern thing is absolutely garbage. Heynckes is still there and right now there are many other options for Bayern. Plus it's really early to discuss the new manager for the after next saison. Ralf is a quality manager, no doubt about that but with Ralf's absence the circus just moved on and new managers popped up in the Bundesliga. And Uli Hoeneß brought up names like Pep Guardiola (yeah right, as if the Spaniard came to München and learnt our difficult language).
As for the Belgian job, hhmm, I don't know. The less stressful job might be appealing but compared to a post in the Prem it's far less shiny.
As for the media, especially the there and back between German and English media, it reminds me of that kid's game Chinese whispers where the first person whispers Ralf is in for the job at West Brom and the last person shouts out Ray's got a new haircut. So I keep my fingers crossed and I'll be patient and as soon something new comes up from the German side, I'll try to update you.
@Alex: bitte schön und gern geschehen.
Who said Germans had no sense of humour :)
Vielen dank fur ihre eingabe freund :)
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Was hoping for news already, but nothing so far..
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Ray hat einen neuen Haarschnitt!
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To be honest if CH was that set on joining us he would have forced the bloose board's hand and tendered his resignation.
Would he have though?He was favourite to join us last time then had the rug pulled from under him by Roy.
Once bitten twice shy i reckon.
He wouldn't touch us with a barge pole now i fear.
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Well if we dont get Ralf at least we'll all be fluent in German
Sie kommen auf Baggies!
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Followed by (when asked if RR has been offered the job):
@chrislepkowski: ha. If he says yes then yes he has been. If he says no then it'll be claimed he hasn't.... #alanirvinesyndrome
Nose well out of joint if you ask me.
I'm not sure why the above tweet should be regarded as indicative of anyone's nose being out of joint. The club has done this before so that they can trot out their "not offered to anyone else....unanimous choice" mantra.
Finding a new manager is starting to drag on so long now that you'd need Tolkein to blog it.....
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Apparently I read somewhere that we are still fond of hughton, but JP doesn't want to pay compensation for his back room staff so that's why we've ruled him out. Think it was from a blues version if CL.
There's always a tight-wad theme running through everything that we do. It helps on some occasions and hinders on others. If we end up with someone like Appleton, Phelan etc because we wouldn't pay reasonable compensation for Hughton and his chosen backroom team, it would be shameful IMO.
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I am very much in favour of the job JP and DA has done , but isn't it frustrating that we haven't got a manager yet!! If they don't land their man soon ( assuming that it is RR) then he will go and the only viable alternative (CH) will be at Norwich , and we will be left with the has-beens , never was' , and incompetents left on the managerial merry-go-round.
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There's always a tight-wad theme running through everything that we do. It helps on some occasions and hinders on others. If we end up with someone like Appleton, Phelan etc because we wouldn't pay reasonable compensation for Hughton and his chosen backroom team, it would be shameful IMO.
I watched the Full Throstle again on Sunday,and it brought home how poor we were and how broke just 15 years ago.
I am one of Peaces biggest critics,but he plans not just for next season but the next THREE seasons in adavance,and takes into account how spending now would affect us as a club in the future.
I think we should be thankful that we will never go back to being a poorly run club.
Lets wait until we see who the new manager is first.If we aren't happy then we can have a go at him.
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The one thing that does worry me sometimes about us is how long we take to do business sometimes. This manager will he come or wont he reminds me a little like us chasing Hargreaves last summer. Everyone knew he was not coming yet the club would not cancel the deal but waited for him to go elsewhere. I can see the same kinda thing happening here
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There's always a tight-wad theme running through everything that we do. It helps on some occasions and hinders on others. If we end up with someone like Appleton, Phelan etc because we wouldn't pay reasonable compensation for Hughton and his chosen backroom team, it would be shameful IMO.
Here's the tweet I was referring too.
@JamesNursey: #WBA also keen on #BCFC Hughton but the problem I've heard is Peace's refusal to pay compensation for backroom staff Calderwood and Trollope
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My only worry is if he rejects us where do we go ? Laundrup will probaly wait for a bigger job. Gus Poyet is a good young manager but lacks experiance same goes for Appleton. I would take Poyet as manager but only if he brought someone with him to help him out like a Ray Wilkins or who ever.
I think the compensation would be the same or even more than Hughton so for me to risky, rather use that compensation money to pay wages for a proven manager like Laudrup.
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im pretty sure ive heard swansea are considering laudrup. i would hope he is someone who as at least been approached for talks incase ralf says no
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Hoping for Rangnick of course like most people are...
but my cheeky 10 quid punt on Laudrup at 80-1 would be the most welcome twist of the managerial rollercoaster to date if it were to come off!
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I think Michael Laudrup would be a great choice,brought through youth and played good attacking football at Brondby,Getafe and Mallorca.
He worked wonders keeping Mallorca in the league when relegation looked certain.A great name and I am sure he would bring a good style of football to the club.
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There is much comment here about odds as indicators, so for those that like looking at those, Steve Clarke is looking strong atm.
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Now he seems to be in the frame for the Belgium job I can see him going for i if it is offered to him. Normally I wouldn't see a country like Belgium as much of a threat, but right now they have the potential to become one of the best teams in international football.
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they're 44th below the ROI and one place above Scotland, great team that
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Now he seems to be in the frame for the Belgium job I can see him going for i if it is offered to him. Normally I wouldn't see a country like Belgium as much of a threat, but right now they have the potential to become one of the best teams in international football.
I think it all depends on the ££££ he is offered Belgium are a good side but not world beaters,He has always expressed a desire to manage in the EPL so i cant see anything other than money tempting him otherwise.
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I think it all depends on the ££££ he is offered Belgium are a good side but not world beaters,He has always expressed a desire to manage in the EPL so i cant see anything other than money tempting him otherwise.
Do you thinks that it is £s? We are all different but if I was prone to stress/burn out then I would take a minor National side in preference to an EPL side, as nice as we baggies are.
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Do you thinks that it is £s? We are all different but if I was prone to stress/burn out then I would take a minor National side in preference to an EPL side, as nice as we baggies are.
Personally i think it is,as when you are a National coach the pressures i think are still equal you may not have as many games but the media foccus is there more than ever which many managers say contributes to stress levels far more than the games themselves.
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i personally think national coaching is more stressfull than EPL managing. International managing, you have a lot to live up too, a lot of pressure on your shoulders to deliver in tournaments etc.
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i personally think national coaching is more stressfull than EPL managing. International managing, you have a lot to live up too, a lot of pressure on your shoulders to deliver in tournaments etc.
At least, that is the case in England. I expect it's the same in every country though.
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i personally think national coaching is more stressfull than EPL managing. International managing, you have a lot to live up too, a lot of pressure on your shoulders to deliver in tournaments etc.
We can only wonder.
The prime International job for a stress prone character ought to be Denmark who are the happiest people in the world, allegedly. However Belgium have lower expectations so it could be a close call.
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they're 44th below the ROI and one place above Scotland, great team that
International rankings mean nothing, in the rankings England are 7th at the moment, yeah right!
Belgium have players like : Mingolet, Vertonghen, vermaelen, Kompany, Fellaini, Witsel, HAZARD, Mertens, Defour, Dembele and Lukaku.
they are all fairly young/in their prime - and I said they have the potential to be a great team, which they undeniably have.
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I am very much in favour of the job JP and DA has done , but isn't it frustrating that we haven't got a manager yet!! If they don't land their man soon ( assuming that it is RR) then he will go and the only viable alternative (CH) will be at Norwich , and we will be left with the has-beens , never was' , and incompetents left on the managerial merry-go-round.
There are plenty of viable alternatives. I wouldn't call any of Laudrup, Benitez or Clarke has beens, never was or incompetents!
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So quiet, no news.... Too quiet? :-\
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International rankings mean nothing, in the rankings England are 7th at the moment, yeah right!
Belgium have players like : Mingolet, Vertonghen, vermaelen, Kompany, Fellaini, Witsel, HAZARD, Mertens, Defour, Dembele and Lukaku.
they are all fairly young/in their prime - and I said they have the potential to be a great team, which they undeniably have.
And they got beat be a team ranked higher, so what's your point?
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has anyone checked his wiki recently?
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has anyone checked his wiki recently?
Means nothing I'm afraid. It's not linked to a credible source and anybody can edit Wikipedia.
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From your use of colloquialisms and sentence construction and after having met and worked with German, Swiss, Dutch people, I believe you are either English living in Germany or have a parent who is a natural English speaker?
I'm not an expat nor are my parents English. I'm really 100% German with all the good and bad that comes with it, like in a manual - being good at engineering, the love for punctuality (true), not having any sense of humour (in fact never laughed in my entire life - not true) and of course the passion for invading something even if it's just an English football board (well, better than my grandfather's generation did ;)). I'm just kidding I'm not good at engineering but my father is.
I have studied in English (Sweden) though a few years ago and became friends with a lot of English folk. And I really love the English language and I love football. I read a lot about the Prem (mostly Arsenal stuff so far) and I check my posts before sending them to avoid spelling mistakes. And I have to say it's getting better and better with every post written on here (haven't written in English for a while).
As for the new article posted, nothing has changed. One interesting thing though. There were several talks between Ralf and the board which clearly indicates to me that Ralf is the top dog (I didn't know that before). I'm still optimistic because you just don't turn down a manager job in the EPL. But it's a big step for him and his family that needs time to think, especially when you have just come out of illness. He bought a house in Backnang (near Stuttgart) just a few years ago and his eldest son went to boarding school in England. Ralf only has one thing that stands in his way of being called a great great manager: he has never won a big title. He won the DFB Pokal (German cup) last year with us but when he took over we had already reached the final. Plus the opponent was a second division team (Duisburg) and we kicked them out of the Olympia stadium in Berlin (5:0 - olé, olé). If you want to be among the Greatest you have to win something.
As for Raúl and Huntelaar. No, Ralf took over in March 2011 and both were Magath (our former manager) transfers.
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And they got beat be a team ranked higher, so what's your point?
Probably that they need a better manager :P
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I am very much in favour of the job JP and DA has done , but isn't it frustrating that we haven't got a manager yet!! If they don't land their man soon ( assuming that it is RR) then he will go and the only viable alternative (CH) will be at Norwich , and we will be left with the has-beens , never was' , and incompetents left on the managerial merry-go-round.
gingaprince - Is that you Hughesy?
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gingaprince - Is that you Hughesy?
Nah, it has to be Sir Gary - once a Baggie, always a Baggie. I think that may be his way of hinting he's an available manager.
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And they got beat be a team ranked higher, so what's your point?
I'm talking about how they have the POTENTIAL to be good in a couple of years with a good manager. Not right now!
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I see that former Arsenal favourite Dennis Bergkamp has been installed as the bookies' favourite to take the helm at Swansea. He is, I believe, now assistant manager/coach at Ajax. I wonder if he is in JP's thoughts at all!
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I'm not an expat nor are my parents English. I'm really 100% German with all the good and bad that comes with it, like in a manual - being good at engineering, the love for punctuality (true), not having any sense of humour (in fact never laughed in my entire life - not true) and of course the passion for invading something even if it's just an English football board (well, better than my grandfather's generation did ;)). I'm just kidding I'm not good at engineering but my father is.
I have studied in English (Sweden) though a few years ago and became friends with a lot of English folk. And I really love the English language and I love football. I read a lot about the Prem (mostly Arsenal stuff so far) and I check my posts before sending them to avoid spelling mistakes. And I have to say it's getting better and better with every post written on here (haven't written in English for a while).
As for the new article posted, nothing has changed. One interesting thing though. There were several talks between Ralf and the board which clearly indicates to me that Ralf is the top dog (I didn't know that before). I'm still optimistic because you just don't turn down a manager job in the EPL. But it's a big step for him and his family that needs time to think, especially when you have just come out of illness. He bought a house in Backnang (near Stuttgart) just a few years ago and his eldest son went to boarding school in England. Ralf only has one thing that stands in his way of being called a great great manager: he has never won a big title. He won the DFB Pokal (German cup) last year with us but when he took over we had already reached the final. Plus the opponent was a second division team (Duisburg) and we kicked them out of the Olympia stadium in Berlin (5:0 - olé, olé). If you want to be among the Greatest you have to win something.
As for Raúl and Huntelaar. No, Ralf took over in March 2011 and both were Magath (our former manager) transfers.
Tack so myckert - ich denke ;D Es tut mir leit dass ich spreche kein Deutch ;)
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Some quite interesting tweets from Steve Madeley just, basically said he had spent the day contacting potential managers / agents and the standard response was
'i dont think i / my (client) will get the job'!
he then said that all fingers point to Rangnick but thats getting quieter and quieter too!
I suppose bank holiday probably hasnt helped but according the media there seems to be loads of twists and turns, the club arent saying anything which i think is good rather than conducting our business in the media and it will also be a complete surprise when the dream team of Alex McLeish and Terry Connor are announced!
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Yes, very curious what the backup plan is if Rangnick turns us down. Somehow it would strike me as strange if the club went through all the hoopla of restarting the circus again to appoint a new manager, also I doubt we will go for one of the usual suspects. My guess :P is that Mr Creative Solution X (waiting in the wings) will be announced quite promptly if RR decides against us.
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I usually look at all the posts on a variety of subjects but at the moment (probably like everyone else) I'm obsessed with this manager business. I suppose it must end sometime but it is soo frustrating not knowing a damn thing. Tomorrow anyone?
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Yes, very curious what the backup plan is if Rangnick turns us down. Somehow it would strike me as strange if the club went through all the hoopla of restarting the circus again to appoint a new manager, also I doubt we will go for one of the usual suspects. My guess :P is that Mr Creative Solution X (waiting in the wings) will be announced quite promptly if RR decides against us.
I think Mr Creative Solution X would be the club's 'long term project' Michael Appleton.
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Whoever gets the job one thing is for certain.Football brings people and countries together better than any politician or religion.
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I think Mr Creative Solution X would be the club's 'long term project' Michael Appleton.
I think more likely to be Clarke or Benitez
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I usually look at all the posts on a variety of subjects but at the moment (probably like everyone else) I'm obsessed with this manager business. I suppose it must end sometime but it is soo frustrating not knowing a damn thing. Tomorrow anyone?
Tomorrow shall be the day!
I BELIEVE in tomorrow :D
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Ok, who's fiddled with wiki?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralf_Rangnick
Come on, own up :P
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I think more likely to be Clarke or Benitez
Benitez? That's very optimistic.
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Ok, who's fiddled with wiki?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralf_Rangnick
Come on, own up :P
I wonder how long it's going to stay like that ;D
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I wonder how long it's going to stay like that ;D
A quick lookup on the ip address that did the last edit of the page reveals it was updated by someone in Wolverhampton
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Actually just off Hillfields Rd in Stourbridge.
According to http://en.utrace.de/ip-address/92.237.236.174
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WBA have offered him the job last wednesday and Ralf requested one week to think about it. The decision will be made by Ralf by the end of the week.
http://www.rp-online.de/sport/fussball/international/england/rangnick-kuendigt-entscheidung-an-1.2859973
The source is very reliable and the article is the latest news. The statement comes directly from Ralf's agent and is from tonight.
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WBA have offered him the job last wednesday and Ralf requested one week to think about it. The decision will be made by Ralf by the end of the week.
http://www.rp-online.de/sport/fussball/international/england/rangnick-kuendigt-entscheidung-an-1.2859973
The source is very reliable and the article is the latest news. The statement comes directly from Ralf's agent and is from tonight.
Ok so, perhaps a decision may be made by tomorrow?
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I heard Ralf Rangnick was spotted near our London offices today. I'm not sure how reliable the source is, but still, I heard it.
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I heard Ralf Rangnick was spotted near our London offices today. I'm not sure how reliable the source is, but still, I heard it.
Makes a change from the hawthorns or MacDonalds!
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after a week of been frustrated i feel we will get a decision very soon, even if he rejects us atleast we know where we stand.
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Ok so, perhaps a decision may be made by tomorrow?
Possibly so. It says "bis zum Ende der Woche" which means by the end of the week and not at the end of the week. I'm a bit struggling here with my English. But the decision could be announced tommorow.
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In local dialect it would be "eeze gorra mek iz maarnd up baa tha wikend"
(Schalke, we have a local dialect that when spoken properly cannot be understood by anyone from outside the area which is a place called "the black country" thanks to the heavy industry smog that used to hang over us in the late 1800's onwards - steel mills, foundries etc etc).
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after a week of been frustrated i feel we will get a decision very soon, even if he rejects us atleast we know where we stand.
Yes and what we'd end up standing in would probably be rather smelly and unsanitary if he does! ;D
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Ralf Rangnick will decide until the end of this week, if he takes West Bromwich Albion's offer to become their new manager. #WBA
Rangnick's agent Oliver Mintzlaff: "WBA ensured us time for consideration until the end of the week. We will make a decision then."
Rangnick's agent also confirmed that WBA have offered him a contract ready to sign last Wednesday. #WBA
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In local dialect it would be "eeze gorra mek iz maarnd up baa tha wikend"
(Schalke, we have a local dialect that when spoken properly cannot be understood by anyone from outside the area which is a place called "the black country" thanks to the heavy industry smog that used to hang over us in the late 1800's onwards - steel mills, foundries etc etc).
It means: He's going to make his mind up by the weekend. Am I right? Took me some time.
Edit. It's of course until the end of this week. I thought by the end of the week means the same.
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You are totally correct "arr kid" (my brother).
Kayp out the oss road (don't get trampled by a horse on your walk home) :)
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He will have told the club his decision today. No announcement tomorrow and we will be investigating other avenues.
Here's hoping he said yes!
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He will have told the club his decision today. No announcement tomorrow and we will be investigating other avenues.
Here's hoping he said yes!
Did you read the quote? He has until the weekend. So still few days until things really develop.
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You are totally correct "arr kid" (my brother).
Kayp out the oss road (don't get trampled by a horse on your walk home) :)
Absolute genius mate, made me belly laugh.
Also cheers to all the German lads on here, all the input is much appreciated and my Schalke shirt is on it's way.
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Did you read the quote? He has until the weekend. So still few days until things really develop.
Not only did I read the quote, I downloaded the article and did my own translation and this is what popped out:
Rangnicks consultant Oliver Mintzlaff said "We will make a final decision by the end of this week", on Tuesday evening.
The article states TUESDAY evening. It is the end of the week that he was given, hence my comment.
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Isn't it stating he (the consultant) made the comment on a tuesday evening. Which is today. Which is why the tuesday evening bit occurs outside the speech marks, because they're not attributed to the consultant.
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Just to Echo Baggie79's comments, thanks Schalke04FC and your fellow German posters who have given us invaluable info, it is much appreciated. 8)
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Isn't it stating he (the consultant) made the comment on a tuesday evening. Which is today. Which is why the tuesday evening bit occurs outside the speech marks, because they're not attributed to the consultant.
Or clarifying for the reader that Tuesday is the end of the week cooling off period?
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You can tell we're getting desperate for info when we're arguing over whether its a week from the offer or the end of this week lol.
For what its worth CL just tweeted 'Every chance. I tend to think if it was a no it would have come by now' when asked his opinion.
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Lol.
Didn't see the CL tweet. Hope he's right.
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I honestly think we have already received, or expect to receive a favourable response as we have released info to the local media saying we won't be pursuing Hughton.
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I honestly think we have already received, or expect to receive a favourable response as we have released info to the local media saying we won't be pursuing Hughton.
I thought that when I heard that.
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I honestly think we have already received, or expect to receive a favourable response as we have released info to the local media saying we won't be pursuing Hughton.
If your right Southampton all I can say is he better be good.......its taken long enough!! Actually on a more serious note it will be a very interesting appointment. how will a German coach adapt to the PL?. Its probably recognised as the best technical league in Europe. Ive been to a few Bundersliga games, great atmosphere but like watching paint dry at times as the teams cancel each other out. What Ralph will make of the 100mph PL is anyone guess!!
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i also think that DA went away for a weeks holiday last wenesday,think its more than a coincidence he comes back wenesday or thursday hence the week of "thinking about it"
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If your right Southampton all I can say is he better be good.......its taken long enough!! Actually on a more serious note it will be a very interesting appointment. how will a German coach adapt to the PL?. Its probably recognised as the best technical league in Europe. Ive been to a few Bundersliga games, great atmosphere but like watching paint dry at times as the teams cancel each other out. What Ralph will make of the 100mph PL is anyone guess!!
Are you sure? Bundesliga is the highest scoring league out the main leagues in Europe, its by far the most similar to the premier league in terms of speed than any of the other european leagues.
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If your right Southampton all I can say is he better be good.......its taken long enough!! Actually on a more serious note it will be a very interesting appointment. how will a German coach adapt to the PL?. Its probably recognised as the best technical league in Europe. Ive been to a few Bundersliga games, great atmosphere but like watching paint dry at times as the teams cancel each other out. What Ralph will make of the 100mph PL is anyone guess!!
No manager who has won the premier league has had previous experience of managing in the premier league before they joined the club they won it with and no English manager has ever won the premier league. Therefore having a German manager with no previous experience must mean..... :D
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Tomorrow shall be the day!
I BELIEVE in tomorrow :D
Tomorrow never comes :P
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Are you sure? Bundesliga is the highest scoring league out the main leagues in Europe, its by far the most similar to the premier league in terms of speed than any of the other european leagues.
Well I can only base my view on the games ive been to Dan cant I?. Mostly Bayern but also Cologne and Dusseldorf. Have to say watching the Bundersliga is nothing like watching the PL for me since German teams from what I have seen always retain possession and discipline and dont move the ball forward and as directly at speed as PL teams are more likely to do. The stats I couldnt tell you about I never look at stats!
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Ok, who's fiddled with wiki?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralf_Rangnick
Come on, own up :P
Me, got bored lol! Couldn't resist, hence my post earlier saying has anyone checked his wiki lately? :P :-D
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WBA have offered him the job last wednesday and Ralf requested one week to think about it. The decision will be made by Ralf by the end of the week.
http://www.rp-online.de/sport/fussball/international/england/rangnick-kuendigt-entscheidung-an-1.2859973
The source is very reliable and the article is the latest news. The statement comes directly from Ralf's agent and is from tonight.
The same article is copied in other German papers. Really seems as if the ball is in Ralf's court. Having looked on a couple of Belgian sites, it looks like they can't make up their minds whether to stick with their temporary national coach. They were having an online poll on one. Perhaps we should flood the site with votes in favour of keeping the present coach. ;)
Thanks again S04. Drucken wir die Daumen (press the thumbs rather than crossing fingers)
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If your right Southampton all I can say is he better be good.......its taken long enough!! Actually on a more serious note it will be a very interesting appointment. how will a German coach adapt to the PL?. Its probably recognised as the best technical league in Europe. Ive been to a few Bundersliga games, great atmosphere but like watching paint dry at times as the teams cancel each other out. What Ralph will make of the 100mph PL is anyone guess!!
That's just not right. The best league in terms of technical skills is by far the Primera Division in Spain. The Bundesliga is compared to EPL much more tactical and imo even technically ahead of the EPL. Michael Mancienne said that each team wants to build up the game from the back by passing and keeping the ball even the smaller ones whereas in the EPL especially the small teams use long balls to succeed.
Jermaine Jones and Michael Bradley said the same thing when they were interviewed and asked about the differences between the two leagues. The Teams just go at each other. The pace is much higher in the EPL, so I think the football is purer and for me more interesting to watch. Sometimes it just looks like the Premier League teams just ignore the briefings before the game. They constantly attack.
Ralf Rangnick is a quality coach with lots of experience. He'll do fine in the EPL otherwise your chairman and the board wouldn't have picked him. Basically the game remains the same. There's no big difference between Germany and England. 11 guys and one ball. The only difference is pace and the player's physis. And pace is not a thing that hinders you from coaching well.
@Alex1: nice one. I push my thumbs for you.
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The same article is copied in other German papers. Really seems as if the ball is in Ralf's court. Having looked on a couple of Belgian sites, it looks like they can't make up their minds whether to stick with their temporary national coach. They were having an online poll on one. Perhaps we should flood the site with votes in favour of keeping the present coach. ;)
Thanks again S04. Drucken wir die Daumen (press the thumbs rather than crossing fingers)
The Rangnick to Belgium link seems quite loose from what I've seen. Just one of a lot of names being mentioned.
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For what its worth, Ralf Rangnick has excellent attributes on FM2012!
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That's just not right. The best league in terms of technical skills is by far the Primera Division in Spain. The Bundesliga is compared to EPL much more tactical and imo even technically ahead of the EPL. Michael Mancienne said that each team wants to build up the game from the back by passing and keeping the ball even the smaller ones whereas in the EPL especially the small teams use long balls to succeed.
Jermaine Jones and Michael Bradley said the same thing when they were interviewed and asked about the differences between the two leagues. The Teams just go at each other. The pace is much higher in the EPL, so I think the football is purer and for me more interesting to watch. Sometimes it just looks like the Premier League teams just ignore the briefings before the game. They constantly attack.
Ralf Rangnick is a quality coach with lots of experience. He'll do fine in the EPL otherwise your chairman and the board wouldn't have picked him. Basically the game remains the same. There's no big difference between Germany and England. 11 guys and one ball. The only difference is pace and the player's physis. And pace is not a thing that hinders you from coaching well.
@Alex1: nice one. I push my thumbs for you.
Whats not right? You seem to be echoing pretty much what im saying schalke. I think by technical skills maybe you are referring to individual players perhaps? My comments are referring to the team style of the league. Other than that I think we are saying the same thing!
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I think Rangnick agent's quotes ('...end of the week') are pretty much a hint for all interested parties not called WBA: if you want to have him, you'll have to make a decision in the next few days. I don't know who is adressed by this (probably Belgium FA) but - as far as we know - he has already turned down Anderlecht and Besiktas. German top clubs (Bayern, Dortmund, Schalke, Gladbach) don't need a new manager for the next season. And there are no other rumours and I don't see any other big European clubs trying to get him (which?). Belgium NT is a great team with some great names, ready for the WC '14, so that could be an interesting job, but I don't think he's really a serious option for them. I think we'll be fine.
(http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/championsleague/1104/Bilder/ralf-rangnick-jubel-514.jpg)
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No manager who has won the premier league has had previous experience of managing in the premier league before they joined the club they won it with and no English manager has ever won the premier league. Therefore having a German manager with no previous experience must mean..... :D
OH MY GOD YOU'RE RIGHT! If you get the bus fuelled up, I'll get the blue and white streamers!
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I've added Rangnick's managerial honours to his wikipedia page. Pretty suprised it wasn't already there, as it's pretty extensive. Took me a while.
Anyway, it's pretty impressive for a potential Albion boss.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralf_Rangnick#Managerial_Honours
Every club he's been at he has to an achievement to point to and seemingly therefore a record of success.
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I've added Rangnick's managerial honours to his wikipedia page. Pretty suprised it wasn't already there, as it's pretty extensive. Took me a while.
Anyway, it's pretty impressive for a potential Albion boss.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralf_Rangnick#Managerial_Honours
Every club he's been at he has to an achievement to point to and seemingly therefore a record of success.
Sorry to add more work, but we've already decided he'll win the Premier League next season, keep up!:P
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Whats not right? You seem to be echoing pretty much what im saying schalke. I think by technical skills maybe you are referring to individual players perhaps? My comments are referring to the team style of the league. Other than that I think we are saying the same thing!
You're right, I should have been more precise. By technical skills I mean both the individual quality and the style the teams play in Spain. In Spain the approach of the game is so different to the EPL and the Bundesliga. They pass and pass and pass. And if they don't know where to put the ball they pass even more until the spectateurs start to throw up. And that's not only Barcelona. Even small clubs can "outpass" you. It's really not fun to watch when a midtable club like Bilbao can dominate the game with their passing. I had to experience that myself this season. It was really eye opening. The quality of stopping and controlling the ball and the passing was superb. Even the defenders are so skillful. Valencia last year the same thing. We only went on to the next round in CL because we were physically stronger and bullied our way through.
Besides that we pretty much share the same opinion about EPL and Bundesliga. I'm sorry, I should have stressed that. But I think a manager who's done pretty well in a very tactical league like the Bundesliga can do well too in a league where tactis aren't that important. Pace is just one element in the game. Plus Ralf's footballing mind set is very much dominated by attacking and pace.
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He's going to' do a Clough I tell ya.
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If appointed,I wonder if he will bring his own coaching staff?. Downing and Kiely have been brilliant for this club so i hope they are kepted on in some capacity.
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Can we get to 200 pages?!?!
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If appointed,I wonder if he will bring his own coaching staff?. Downing and Kiely have been brilliant for this club so i hope they are kepted on in some capacity.
I do worry about Kiely though; only because Carson just seemed to get worse when he was here. And he does have some puzzling tweets now and then. In my curiosity over this subject I checked twitter and Kiely was having a binging session with #keepstrongdeano after every round of drinks.
Downing has been great, hope he stays.
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i'm still on 80 pages!!! :-)
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Can we get to 200 pages?!?!
Let's sincerely hope not!
Think this has been the most drawn out appointment process in my time following the club. I'm only 32. Any older baggies recall anything that supersedes this?
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Can we get to 200 pages?!?!
I believe the answer to that is no. 8)
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This has become somewhat of an obsession of late, everytime i get a break at work the first thing i do is get my iphone out and hit this topic, well, refresh this topic, get home after work, aptop on and hope for good news.
Im really caught up in the RR hysteria now and i'd be very disappointed if he says no
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You're right, I should have been more precise. By technical skills I mean both the individual quality and the style the teams play in Spain. In Spain the approach of the game is so different to the EPL and the Bundesliga. They pass and pass and pass. And if they don't know where to put the ball they pass even more until the spectateurs start to throw up. And that's not only Barcelona. Even small clubs can "outpass" you. It's really not fun to watch when a midtable club like Bilbao can dominate the game with their passing. I had to experience that myself this season. It was really eye opening. The quality of stopping and controlling the ball and the passing was superb. Even the defenders are so skillful. Valencia last year the same thing. We only went on to the next round in CL because we were physically stronger and bullied our way through.
Besides that we pretty much share the same opinion about EPL and Bundesliga. I'm sorry, I should have stressed that. But I think a manager who's done pretty well in a very tactical league like the Bundesliga can do well too in a league where tactis aren't that important. Pace is just one element in the game. Plus Ralf's footballing mind set is very much dominated by attacking and pace.
Ive never been to a La Liga game so your one up on me there. Think the one thing about Spanish football is the fluidity of the tactics and the quick slow quick change of pace that marks out latin football which makes them difficult to play against sometimes. Man Utd seemed to find this against Bilbao in the CL. I think it will be good for the PL to have a German coach. If Ralph Rangnick decides to join WBA there will be a lot of interest in him and how he gets on.
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If appointed,I wonder if he will bring his own coaching staff?. Downing and Kiely have been brilliant for this club so i hope they are kepted on in some capacity.
He would almost certainly have to retain coaches with intimate knowledge of the club and the lesser known players in the Prem. Outside the UK, television concentrates on the usual top 6 clubs. It would be too much for a team of complete outsiders to start without solid advice around them. They would need to know about transfer targets and opponents, the attributes of Stoke City, Joey Barton etc.
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I know the stats suggest this is the longest .com thread, but has it beaten the old Kevin Phillips thread from the old forum?
That thread was mammoth and went on for months after he departed (for obvious reasons). A Luke Moore thread was also notorious.
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I think I started the Moore thread :)
Still no news on the manager front?!
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Colin Tattum ?@colintattum
I understand that, yes, highly likely Chris Hughton will become the new Norwich City manager. More tomorrow #blues #bcfc #ncfc
Chris Hughton set to become Norwich manager, according to Collin Tattum on the twitter.
I pray that Ralf accepts our job.
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Colin Tattum ?@colintattum
I understand that, yes, highly likely Chris Hughton will become the new Norwich City manager. More tomorrow #blues #bcfc #ncfc
Chris Hughton set to become Norwich manager, according to Collin Tattum on the twitter.
I pray that Ralf accepts our job.
So how, exactly, will Birmingham have gained anything by not allowing CH to come to us?
Seems to be all about the payment of compensation for CH's back-up team.
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So how, exactly, will Birmingham have gained anything by not allowing CH to come to us?
Seems to be all about the payment of compensation for CH's back-up team.
I suppose it's just important that Birmingham didn't lose anything. For all we know Norwich have paid the Blues asking price whereas we wouldn't.
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The club must be pretty sure that Rangnick wants the job, hopefully my view is that Rangnick was offered the job last week but because DA ment to be on Holiday he was given a extra week to think about the job, and it would give him time to talk to his family about moving over here. This then makes us look good because were not forcing him straight away to sign the contract, its a big thing to move country and its not one you can make in a day. And with us ruling Hughton out i am pretty sure the club are doing everything they can to get ralfie on board 8)
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I've heard two completely unconnected sources claim tonight that Roy Keane is the plan B if RR declines the job. One of those sources is usually ITK.
God help us if it's true!
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No offense but ITK people aren't always correct, in my view it's about 50/50.
That said, I wouldn't know who it is...surely there's someone out there.
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No offense but ITK people aren't always correct, in my view it's about 50/50.
That said, I wouldn't know who it is...surely there's someone out there.
I'm sure as hell hoping that it's not true -and that we won't even find out if RR takes the job!
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I've heard two completely unconnected sources claim tonight that Roy Keane is the plan B if RR declines the job. One of those sources is usually ITK.
God help us if it's true!
yes, after going through pages and pages of discussion about various candidates, we have all settled on one. If it doesnt happen, we are going to be so disappointed, especially as there doesnt seem to be another top class alternative on the radar. Keep on hoping that we will be put out of our misery soon and can start looking forward to the new season, what is going on with transfers etc.
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If appointed,I wonder if he will bring his own coaching staff?. Downing and Kiely have been brilliant for this club so i hope they are kepted on in some capacity.
I don't think that he brings his own coaching staff with him. As he moved from Hoffenheim to Schalke he only took Markus Gisdol to Schalke who stayed at the club as the new manager (Stevens) arrived. He also engaged a new fitness coach (a former track & field athlete) who remained at Schalke, too.
It could be that he brings in someone from Germany but I'm pretty sure that most of your existing staff will stay.
I'll keep my fingers crossed that RR will become your next manager!
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I still keep thinking about the significance of the solitary announcement on Monday that we will not be pursuing CH. There could be 2 elements to this.
Firstly we have offered the job to someone (hopefully RR) and the club are confident of a positive response whilst sorting out precise details of the contract.
The second possible reason is diplomacy in the hope that we will have a good chance of getting Foster.
Of course it could all go pear-shaped!
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I still keep thinking about the significance of the solitary announcement on Monday that we will not be pursuing CH. There could be 2 elements to this.
Firstly we have offered the job to someone (hopefully RR) and the club are confident of a positive response whilst sorting out precise details of the contract.
The second possible reason is diplomacy in the hope that we will have a good chance of getting Foster.
Of course it could all go pear-shaped!
Pretty sure its official (Albeit by everyone but the club!) that RR has been offered the job...
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There are two very strong candidates (if a Plan B is required) who only get cursory mention on here.
Both would be highly acceptable to JP and the Albion (and to most supporters) but in both cases there are certain things that would have to take place before they might become available (and those things might not happen)
Still they might represent excellent options.
I'm not going to tempt fate by mentioning their names.
All I will say is that sometimes the answer is so obvious it's staring you in the face.
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There are two very strong candidates (if a Plan B is required) who only get cursory mention on here.
Both would be highly acceptable to JP and the Albion (and to most supporters) but in both cases there are certain things that would have to take place before they might become available (and those things might not happen)
Still they might represent excellent options.
I'm not going to tempt fate by mentioning their names.
All I will say is that sometimes the answer is so obvious it's staring you in the face.
Needlessly cryptic, highly suspect you have NO new information.
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I don't buy the "we publically turned down CH to show Blues that we are good guys and they will give us Foster" argument. If it were true, I would whole-heartedly support as I think keeping Foster is that important. However, common sense doesn't support it:
1. If CH is leaving Blues anyway, why would they care whether it was to Albion, Norwich or anywhere else? It would be different if CH was deciding between Albion or staying at Blues but if the only question is where he is going and what compensation is payable, Blues would as happily take our money as anyone elses.
2. It is a similar story with Foster. If QPR/Spurs whomever offers the best deal to Blues and the best deal to Foster, he will go there. Blues aren't in a position to say "we will take £2m less from Albion because they were jolly good enough to pull out of CH race". Equally, they can't tell Foster "you have to go to Albion for £20k a week less than Spurs because we have an agreement".
We may still get Foster but I personally don't think it will have a jot to do with us pulling out of CH hunt.
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Sorry about the long post but after 160 pages I figured I'd chime in. Hope i dont bore you!!
Personally I feel that RR will be named our new Head Coach tomorrow (Wednesday) if not then, Friday at the latest!! Now I have nothing to back this up just my gut feeling. Once I read the news that we were dropping any interest we might have had in CH and that we were not going to pursue him I felt that the club was pretty convinced RR would accept our offer!! I see no other reason that for weeks there was pretty much no reliable information on who we were or were not pursuing then suddenly shortly after we all learn that RR was truly a serious candidate and had possibly even been offered the job this report comes out ruling out CH. We did not suddenly learn anything new about CH which would have prompted us to rule him out of the running now as opposed to two weeks ago. We were already familiar with CH having already sat down with and interviewed him prior to the Hodgson appointment, we knew BCFC were going to want a nice sum for compensation not only for CH but assistants too so I was asking myself why now have we removed him as a target. I convinced myself that it was because we're quite convinced of what RR answer will be!!
Also, and forgive me if I'm wrong about this but wasn't it about the same time that RR became a real serious candidate around the same time CR took up his new manager post. IF my timeline is right about that I feel we went ahead and let CR go without making an offer because the club had made the decision then that we were going to go after RR and that we felt this was our man! Another thing that has me optimistic (for once) is that this is not JP and DA first time around the block. I just can't imagine for a second that they would blow this head coach appointment.
We all agree that this is big, no this is a huge decision that I feel will either make or break our chances of really establishing ourselves in the EPL. I think that word "established" is used to loosely by some. We have only 2 seasons, yes they were successful seasons but we have a ways to go still as I'm sure many will agree! Just look and Swansea and Norwich first year up and one or both were level on points with us so it is not like we're performing miracles although being an Albion fan it does feel like it. But we must push on, and no doubt JP and DA know this and I can't imagine that they will blow this. One other thing to mention once they knew Hodgson was going I think they started thinking big, big for us anyway. Evidence of that was inviting RR to the Hawthorns for the Arsenal match. As much as I read posts saying Appleton or similar type names can you really honestly feel that JP would hold a press conference announcing Appleton or similar type name? I think recently that each appointment has been better than the last and an RR appointment I think would be bigger and in a lot ways better than RH, although i was perfectly happy with him. If anyone is still under the illusion that Appleton still has a chance I ask why if JP didn't trust him to save us after RDM why would he now suddenly think he is capable? I can see JP holding a press conference appointing not only the first German Coach in the EPL but one with quite an impressive record!! This appointment not only would be big in helping us improve next year and perhaps push on but has the potential to really introduce WBA to those who have no idea who we are as our new German friends have stated. No doubt the media will make a big deal about the appt. of the first German Head Coach/Manager to the EPL so WBA will receive a lot of free exposure and no doubt we will be followed if for no other reason to see how RR is doing! Not only would we benefit from RR as a football team but the positive side effects could be equally beneficial.
Now that I expressed my thoughts after 160 pages no doubt Appleton will be announced Thursday at 2pm by JP! As for the posters from Germany I must echo what a lot of my fellow WBA fans have already mentioned! I have really enjoyed your posts and appreciate the effort in sharing your knowledge and information with us! Let's hope that the too good to be true candidate becomes a reality!!
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AHHHHHH!!!! $%&?@£!!! I CAN@T BELIEVE WHAT I HAVE JUST SEEN! STEVE CLARKE IS FAVOURITE FOR THE JOB ON SKYBET!
2/1 on :D
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This is why we shouldn't take ages in situations like this. Getting the job done faster would have meant Ralf Rangnick would be discussing the transfer budget with JP NOW!
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AHHHHHH!!!! $%&?@£!!! I CAN@T BELIEVE WHAT I HAVE JUST SEEN! STEVE CLARKE IS FAVOURITE FOR THE JOB ON SKYBET!
Not a bad shout IMO.
His managerial and coaching carear have seen him at Chelsea, Newcastle, Liverpool and West Ham, all top flight clubs.
I'd sooner let some one like him have a go rather than appoint Appy for old times sake.
Anyway its only bookies talk at the minute.
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Not a bad shout IMO.
His managerial and coaching carear have seen him at Chelsea, Newcastle, Liverpool and West Ham, all top flight clubs.
I'd sooner let some one like him have a go rather than appoint Appy for old times sake.
Anyway its only bookies talk at the minute.
Yeah I'd rather have him than Appy but I've got a feeling ooohooo that Rangnick might take the Belgium job.
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So how, exactly, will Birmingham have gained anything by not allowing CH to come to us?
Seems to be all about the payment of compensation for CH's back-up team.
We don't want/need a back up team, Norwich do.
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This is why we shouldn't take ages in situations like this. Getting the job done faster would have meant Ralf Rangnick would be discussing the transfer budget with JP NOW!
As this is the biggest decision our club will ultimately make this year, I am glad they do not rush into it but take their time to make the correct appointment.
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Back to where we were with Ralf, according to Zeit
Rangnick will decide this week on offer from West Brom
Berlin (dpa) - Coach Ralf Rangnick wants according to his adviser "to the end of this week," about a possible involvement in the Premier League club West Bromwich Albion decide. After the English club last Wednesday, "a signature-ready offer" was made, the 53-year-old had asked for a one-week cooling. This had been promised by his club side also explained Rank consultant Nick Oliver Mintzlaff.
http://www.zeit.de/news/2012-06/05/nachrichtenueberblick-dpa-nachrichtenueberblick-sport-05224406
An offer last Wednesday, former mentions of 7 days to decide, and a decision by the end of this week does not quite square up but then again appointing manager press comment never does but perhaps it means a decision today.
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Someone either lumped big on Clarke last night or Sky are just trying to draw attention to the market. I do really rate Clarke as a coach, I'm sure he's had lots of exposure to carrying out managerial duties behind the scenes. He seemed to be pulling a lot of the strings when he was second to Zola at West Ham.
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Someone either lumped big on Clarke last night or Sky are just trying to draw attention to the market. I do really rate Clarke as a coach, I'm sure he's had lots of exposure to carrying out managerial duties behind the scenes. He seemed to be pulling a lot of the strings when he was second to Zola at West Ham.
Skybet don't need to take much money as an excuse to chop their odds, but the others that are quoting so far this morning are following suit and talking him shorter. Still 3/1 on betfair and better with Victor.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom-specials/next-permanent-manager
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So it looks like Norwich are willing to cough up for Hughton, cough cough
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What about Zola and Clarke, now that would be something, always rated Zola when he was at West Ham, he saved them that season and got them playing great football, then Gold & Sullivan did the dirty on him.
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What about Zola and Clarke, now that would be something, always rated Zola when he was at West Ham, he saved them that season and got them playing great football, then Gold & Sullivan did the dirty on him.
Steve Clarke did the majority of the tactics, formation, organisation and team selection at West Ham, may as well appoint him as a manager.
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AHHHHHH!!!! $%&?@£!!! I CAN@T BELIEVE WHAT I HAVE JUST SEEN! STEVE CLARKE IS FAVOURITE FOR THE JOB ON SKYBET!
If DA is on holiday and he sits in on the interviews how can Clarke have had an interview
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If DA is on holiday and he sits in on the interviews how can Clarke have had an interview
Sat by the pool together?
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Birmingham City give Norwich permission to speak to their manager, Chris Hughton - BBC WM report
That proves that CH was available if we wanted him.
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Birmingham City give Norwich permission to speak to their manager, Chris Hughton - BBC WM report
That proves that CH was available if we wanted him.
Theres something gone on that we obviously dont know about, either Norwich have agreed to pay the compensation package that Blues want before speaking to Hughton or our board were never that serious about Hughton from the start.
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RR optimism grows after this report in today's Mail
ALBION expect to announce their new head coach by the end of this week – with Ralf Rangnick due to reveal his intentions imminently.
The Baggies are in the final throes of their process to find Roy Hodgson’s successor.
Their intention is to have the new man on board by the close of play on Friday, if not earlier.
Rangnick remains the favourite for the job.
The ex-Schalke 04 boss has been interviewed several times for the position and was given several days cooling off period following the last round of talks last Wednesday.
Oliver Mintzlaff, his consultant, said an offer was made last week, although Albion deny this.
Mintzlaff said: “An offer was made and we will meet up this week for a final decision.
“West Bromwich Albion gave us time for consideration. We will make a decision then.”
What is clear is that Rangnick is very keen to work in England, although he was linked with the Belgian vacancy this week.
Other potential candidates include Alan Curbishley, Portsmouth’s Michael Appleton, Steve Clarke and Brighton’s Gus Poyet.
As yet neither Portsmouth nor Brighton have fielded any approaches from Albion for their respective bosses.
But sources closer to home are still suggesting Rangnick remains the front-runner for the post.
Former Cologne and England footballer Tony Woodcock is very close to the German football scene following his spells in the Bundesliga as a player and, more recently, as an observer.
He feels Rangnick would be an ideal appointment should he opt to become Albion’s next boss.
“He’s very successful as a manager in Germany,” said Woodcock, who still spends a lot of time in his one-time homeland.
“It’s an unusual choice for an English club to make maybe because they don’t tend to go for Germany bosses but it’s a very bold and interesting one.
Like any managerial appointment it would be a risk but that’s what the business is about.
“Rangnick is very highly thought of in Germany.
“He brought a lot of success when he was manager at Hoffenhiem and completely transformed the team with some exciting players who weren’t very well known at the time.
“It didn’t go too well at Schalke but I think it’s a transition which would work.
“He speaks perfect English and has followed English football for many years.
“He’ll know a lot of football people in England and I’m sure Roy Hodgson would recommend him as a successor.
“If he is to get the West Brom job I think he’d be very successful.”
Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/06/06/west-brom-baggies-to-announce-new-boss-this-week-97319-31122443/2/#ixzz1wzzKo8zh
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its all getting a bit tedious now :-X
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That sounds promising, we must have someone waiting in the wings who we can call upon if Rangnick turns us down. Clarke would make sense as he's unemployed.
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its all getting a bit tedious now :-X
Absolutely, i will settle for Rab C Nesbitt now
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I didnt want Hughton but if its all down to money and Norwich are prepared to pay then that just shows our ambitious chairman confims his wealth
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Re Steve Clarke, he could be a good second choice, his odds have plummeted over night, but, as we've all seen the bookies mean very little in all honesty.
I dont think that mail article is anymore positive or negative, its nothing than whats been said the last few days, we're obviously still playing our cards very close to our chest
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Issues with Hughton
1. Would not resign at Blues (although must have threatened it for Norwich to be given permission to talk so quickly)
2. Wants to bring his own staff which is rightly a big no no at the Hawthorns
3. 1 & 2 makes compensation an issue
4. Being passed over last time gets the whole thing off on the wrong foot.
Ralf remains favourite for the role and if not Ralf we will no doubt have a plan B and that has never been Chris Hughton so there is no sense in talking as if we have in someway missed out on him.
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I'd be happy with Ralph or Clarke :)
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Tom Ross mentioned something on twitter about us approaching Hughton last week but we could not agree terms so Blues turned us down.
I was hoping it would be sorted either way today.
I can see it being another Hargreaves situation where we are being used to get his name about. Hope I am wrong.
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Issues with Hughton
1. Would not resign at Blues (although must have threatened it for Norwich to be given permission to talk so quickly)
2. Wants to bring his own staff which is rightly a big no no at the Hawthorns
3. 1 & 2 makes compensation an issue
4. Being passed over last time gets the whole thing off on the wrong foot.
Ralf remains favourite for the role and if not Ralf we will no doubt have a plan B and that has never been Chris Hughton so there is no sense in talking as if we have in someway missed out on him.
Sensible post, clearly we never truly wanted hughton or we would have had him by now.
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So could Clarke be plan B? Rather him than Appleton/Poyet. Must be a good coach and we have to remember the set up here, he's not manager so when people point towards the likes of Kidd not being able to step up, it's not quite the same. I like him as a plan B but i still have my heart set on Rangnick.
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So Delia shouts to CH lets be havin you
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. Clarke would make sense as he's unemployed.
and CHEAP...................a number two who has never been a number one. Let's hope it don't come to this totally uninspiring option.
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Sensible post, clearly we never truly wanted hughton or we would have had him by now.
Why would be make an approach as late as last weekend then ?
It we cannot get Ralf then Hughton would be the only real decent alternative looking at the poor candidates left.
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and CHEAP...................a number two who has never been a number one. Let's hope it don't come to this totally uninspiring option.
Could not agree with you anymore. I would rather have Mick or Eck
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Could not agree with you anymore. I would rather have Mick or Eck
I wouldn't go that far !!!! :o
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Why would be make an approach as late as last weekend then ?
It we cannot get Ralf then Hughton would be the only real decent alternative looking at the poor candidates left.
So you can have direct discussions with him rather than just his representatives. We don't really know who the other genuine candidates are, nothing has been leaking out from the club and is reflected by the local media coverage during the whole saga. There are always other alternatives, not many of us had heard much about Ralf before he was heavily linked with the job.
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Clarke could be a very good option.Like Rogers he worked and presumably learnt when working with Mourinho,and of the newer/younger generation he seems to me to be nearer to the Hodgson philosophy off organised, structured football. I am staggered as to why the reaction to his possible appointment should differ vastly to that of Rangnick who has achieved a lot less than Clarke in the English league ::)
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Clarke is like Hughton was before him, labeled as an assistant and no more because he has done such a good job in that position and never been given the chance as a number one. You just never know whether they are capable of being a success in the main job as Hughton has proven he can after being given the opportunity by Newcastle.
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We are trying to move up a rung of the ladder, Steve Clarke will not inspire potential foreign players which is where we are likely to do our shopping.I will be bitterly disappointed if it were to happen.He hasnt exactly pulled up any trees with his past few assitant jobs has he. He didnt get the job at West Ham and he wasnt considered at Liverpool
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This is why we shouldn't take ages in situations like this. Getting the job done faster would have meant Ralf Rangnick would be discussing the transfer budget with JP NOW!
nobody discusses the transfer budget with JP other than JP, Ralf would be told what he has no more no less
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We are trying to move up a rung of the ladder, Steve Clarke will not inspire potential foreign players which is where we are likely to do our shopping.I will be bitterly disappointed if it were to happen.He hasnt exactly pulled up any trees with his past few assitant jobs has he. He didnt get the job at West Ham and he wasnt considered at Liverpool
Plus he's tainted with the 'Dalglish effect' from last season when King Kenny and his staff were disgraceful during the Suarez affair and the dealings with the media absolutely shocking.
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Breaking news on sky sports....... Birmingham give permission for Hughton to talk to Norwich!!'
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if its clarke its clarke lets just get behind him. would rather it was ralfy though
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Breaking news on sky sports....... Birmingham give permission for Hughton to talk to Norwich!!'
Obviously prepared to pay the compo. JP wasn't Shimples
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We are trying to move up a rung of the ladder, Steve Clarke will not inspire potential foreign players which is where we are likely to do our shopping.I will be bitterly disappointed if it were to happen.He hasnt exactly pulled up any trees with his past few assitant jobs has he. He didnt get the job at West Ham and he wasnt considered at Liverpool
Hmmm ... makes sense. Maybe Clarke is plan B or C?
An aside; We've had some good Clark(e)s over the years though haven't we?
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Norwich are getting compo for lambert so its not costing them anything.
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Obviously prepared to pay the compo. JP wasn't Shimples
We are most definitely the paupers of the Premier league, to be where we are on the finances we have is nothing short of a miracle
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Norwich are getting compo for lambert so its not costing them anything.
That's like saying that you have got a £500 Christmas bonus and will spend it on a new tv, so the tv cost nothing.
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Love it:
However, I imagine the calmest person in all this is Jeremy Peace. Whilst we all stomp our feet demanding an appointment, he is no doubt feeling quite relaxed and in control. Whilst we pace and prowl, I can imagine him stoking his cat Blofeld style as he knows his plan is coming together.
http://blogs.birminghampost.net/sport/2012/06/albion-manager-search-continue.html
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We are most definitely the paupers of the Premier league, to be where we are on the finances we have is nothing short of a miracle
I'm sure JP has a spare £2m to spend on managers compo, I would suggest the staff just don't think Hughton is worth £2m. Which I would agree with.
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Norwich are getting compo for lambert so its not costing them anything.
Last I heard they may not get any compensation for him as it stated in his contract that he should be allowed permission to speak to any Premier League club that may be interested in him yet they denied him permission to speak to Villa, he then resigned as they had breached his contract.
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Love it:
However, I imagine the calmest person in all this is Jeremy Peace. Whilst we all stomp our feet demanding an appointment, he is no doubt feeling quite relaxed and in control. Whilst we pace and prowl, I can imagine him stoking his cat Blofeld style as he knows his plan is coming together.
http://blogs.birminghampost.net/sport/2012/06/albion-manager-search-continue.html
It's funny because it's true ::)
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We are most definitely the paupers of the Premier league, to be where we are on the finances we have is nothing short of a miracle
In simple terms though, why pay £2m for a second choice when our stand out first choice costs nothing? Even if the first choice doesn't agree terms (which i think he will) you'd be miffed at paying over the odds for someone you didn't really want, wouldnt you?
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I'm sure JP has a spare £2m to spend on managers compo, I would suggest the staff just don't think Hughton is worth £2m. Which I would agree with.
Not just that, then there is the fact that Hughton would want his own backroom team and we appear to want to keep the likes of Kiely and Downing and that would cost even more money. Add that to the fact we never made a serious move for him it suggests that Rangnick or someone else was our top choice all along its just that very little has leaked to the press.
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Its quite likely Liverpool, Villa, Norwich, Swansea will all have managers in place before we do and who wanted one first again
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and CHEAP...................a number two who has never been a number one. Let's hope it don't come to this totally uninspiring option.
The big point that many posters seem to be missing about Steve Clarke is that he is a coach, not a manager. With many clubs, that would be a huge obstacle because he would not have a Director of Football to absorb much of the managerial role. With us, Dan Ashworth is one of the best in the business, and would enable CLarke to get on with what he does best - coaching. In many ways, provided that we retain the current system under DA, Clarke, Hughton and Wilkins would be the best-qualified British coaches to work within such a system. Indeed, there will be numerous managers out there who would have turned their noses up at our vacancy because they don't want to work under a Director of Football. I for one would prefer to keep that structure as we have proved that its a model which can work with the right Chairman and the right Director of Football.
I would see Clarke as a backwards step ONLY if we were asking to fill a Manager role. But as Head Coach its a different position altogether and should be recognised as such.
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The big point that many posters seem to be missing about Steve Clarke is that he is a coach, not a manager. With many clubs, that would be a huge obstacle because he would not have a Director of Football to absorb much of the managerial role. With us, Dan Ashworth is one of the best in the business, and would enable CLarke to get on with what he does best - coaching. In many ways, provided that we retain the current system under DA, Clarke, Hughton and Wilkins would be the best-qualified British coaches to work within such a system. Indeed, there will be numerous managers out there who would have turned their noses up at our vacancy because they don't want to work under a Director of Football. I for one would prefer to keep that structure as we have proved that its a model which can work with the right Chairman and the right Director of Football.
I would see Clarke as a backwards step ONLY if we were asking to fill a Manager role. But as Head Coach its a different position altogether and should be recognised as such.
But since his Chelsea days wherever he has been looks like faliure to me.
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I think Clarke might be going to Celtic to replace Alan Thompson as first team coach, I read it somewhere , think it was on a Celtic forrum which is normally very reliable.
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Its quite likely Liverpool, Villa, Norwich, Swansea will all have managers in place before we do and who wanted one first again
Doesnt mean anything, preseason hasnt started yet! Rodgers would have been too expensive for us, Lambert again probably too expensive and wouldnt have come to us anyway, 50/50 on here for Hughton and would have been uproar if we had gone for Wigans assitant as our manager anyway so a quick appointment aint necessarily the right one. If we get our number 1 choice by the end of this week and more than 2 months before the season starts whats the problem??
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I've heard two completely unconnected sources claim tonight that Roy Keane is the plan B if RR declines the job. One of those sources is usually ITK.
God help us if it's true!
I wonder if they are as ITK as those who said Curbs, AVB and Hughton were all coming. I'm not having a dig but I don't believe anyone is truly ITK on here. There's probably around 20 people in the whole country who know what's truly going on and in their positions they won't be giving out sensitive info or posting it on message boards.
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I wonder if they are as ITK as those who said Curbs, AVB and Hughton were all coming. I'm not having a dig but I don't believe anyone is truly ITK on here. There's probably around 20 people in the whole country who know what's truly going on and in their positions they won't be giving out sensitive info or posting it on message boards.
Has anyone noticed how well Roy gets on with Adrian of late, maybe Mr Chiles knows something we dont
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That's like saying that you have got a £500 Christmas bonus and will spend it on a new tv, so the tv cost nothing.
No it's more like selling your telly for £4m then buying a new one for £2m. Still quids in I bet.
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considering we supposed to have someone lined up its funny how every club in the premiership who lost their manager after us have already got someone else in before us
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considering we supposed to have someone lined up its funny how every club in the premiership who lost their manager after us have already got someone else in before us
No rush my friend, only a few unsettled footballers at the club
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considering we supposed to have someone lined up its funny how every club in the premiership who lost their manager after us have already got someone else in before us
JP is a sly fox. Don't worry - things will work themselves out.
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Just glad I won't be hearing the name Chris Hughton again to be honest!
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Marc Wilmots appointed Belgium manager according to a lot of Belgium folk on twitter, surely this may secure Rangnick ? Edit he is interim manager but may have been given it for the long term
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Marc Wilmots appointed Belgium manager according to a lot of Belgium folk on twitter, surely this may secure Rangnick ?
Marc Wilmots to Red Devils to World Cup 2014 pilots
Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 24:16
(Reuters) Marc Wilmots (43) is the new coach of the Belgian national football team. The successor Georges Leekens signed for two years, as did the Royal Belgian Football Association announced.
Foriegn press.. and loads of it.... Im getting excited....
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Stuck a tenner on Ragnick this morning (got evens on paddypower)
Seems like all the other candidates/jobs are going, soon he'll be our only option.
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Marc Wilmots appointed Belgium manager according to a lot of Belgium folk on twitter, surely this may secure Rangnick ? Edit he is interim manager but may have been given it for the long term
Seems hes the new long term manager.
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Well the only stumbling block with Ralf seems to have now gone, lets hope he says yes now.
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No other obstacles now to crown Ralf as king ! :D
unless its personal reasons, ie family.
Hope we can now get this sorted and hopefully expect an announcement from us sooner rather than later.
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Cant wait for all the 'I told you so' posts if Ralf gets the job ::)
By the way "I told you so" :-*
Oh, don't jinx it. It's too early to say something.
Ralf might be reading it right now and thinking, well, I'll be teaching you all a lesson. :)
Official statement by Ralf: I was going to take the job at West Bromwich Albion and everything was just perfect until I read a post from dont ask me to choose luv. Then I completely changed my mind. Bäm, in your face to all the I told you so sayers. ;)
It's a good sign that Marc Wilmots was appointed new manager in Belgium. Great guy (Schalke 04 legend). One option less for Ralf. Ralf already turned down Besiktas and Anderlecht. But he also said he doesn't have to work as manager by the 1st of july (statement was in the German Kicker article yesterday). He'll only say yes if the job fits him. However I'm still very positiv about it.
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Who is steve clarke? 2nd favourite
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Has anyone noticed how well Roy gets on with Adrian of late, maybe Mr Chiles knows something we dont
And if he did do you think Mr Chiles would say anything 8)
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Who is steve clarke? 2nd favourite
Was Liverpool assisstant last season, and Chelsea before that. Good coach.
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Was Liverpool assisstant last season, and Chelsea before that. Good coach.
West Ham nearly went down, liverpool failed last season.What makes him a good coach
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West Ham nearly went down, liverpool failed last season.What makes him a good coach
That's unfair to be honest because we can do that for any manager, or we could give you some of the jobs where Steve Clarke has appeared to be a success. West Ham made the mistake of keeping hold of Avram Grant, and Liverpool failed because Dalglish spent millions and millions on average players. You can't hold Clarke accountable for Liverpools failures last season.
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Please god not Steve Clark. We can't afford to mess about hiring completely inexperienced managers.
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Please god not Steve Clark. We can't afford to mess about hiring completely inexperienced managers.
Wouldn't really be a manager, the job title will be head coach and like Hughton he has plenty of experience in that respect. He certainly wouldn't be my first choice but I wouldn't rule him out based on his experience so far, it took Newcastle to give Hughton a chance and he's been a success so far so there isn't anything to suggest that Clark couldn't be if given the chance.
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No it's more like selling your telly for £4m then buying a new one for £2m. Still quids in I bet.
Doubt they will get £4m from Villa and equally doubt they will need to pay that much to Blues if as it seems Hughton is prepared to resign. Any way completely irrelevant now as it never was going to be Hughton.
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Ralf Rangnick with Steve Clarke as his no 2 would be good, Steve Clark on his own would be very underwhelming but i do like him as a coach.
Hope Ralph will be appointed soon, if he didnt want the job he would have said by now one would have thought.
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Chris Lepkowski: Stilecardmelter - I think, the way things are (and from things I'm hearing), yes I can see this being stretched out into next week
I hope not.
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Wouldn't really be a manager, the job title will be head coach and like Hughton he has plenty of experience in that respect. He certainly wouldn't be my first choice but I wouldn't rule him out based on his experience so far, it took Newcastle to give Hughton a chance and he's been a success so far so there isn't anything to suggest that Clark couldn't be if given the chance.
I think the job title thing is a bit misleading. For all intents and purposes he'll be a manager. A typical coach isn't in charge of deciding tactics, making subs, choosing players to sign\let go, making decisions during a game and about players, etc.
I'm not against coaches taking on a manager role but it's usually done as a temporary thing that turns permanent or after a few years learning the trade in the lower leagues.
True, he might be a success, but he could also be a Terry Connor. :o
We can't afford to take the risk in my opinion.
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Chris Lepkowski: Stilecardmelter - I think, the way things are (and from things I'm hearing), yes I can see this being stretched out into next week
I hope not.
oh ffs. i'm back at work next week.
if it goes into next week, then that means ralf must have said no?
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Has anybody thought that maybe Rangnick's terms for leaving Schalke including a period where he could not take charge of another team? And maybe this doesn't expire until July 1? Or maybe even August 1?
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oh ffs. i'm back at work next week.
if it goes into next week, then that means ralf must have said no?
You'd guess so, with him having already had 10 days to consider it and with his agent claiming a decison will be made by the end of this week.
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Comment From MJ
Chris, do you believe Ralf Ragnick will say Yes?
Chris Lepkowski: MJ...if pressed, I'd say unlikely
Chris Lepkowski: MJ, I should add, that is only my own personal view. Nothing to suggest that's the case at this stage
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Has anybody thought that maybe Rangnick's terms for leaving Schalke including a period where he could not take charge of another team? And maybe this doesn't expire until July 1? Or maybe even August 1?
He quit, this type of agreement would not have been drawn up as he would have turned his back on the original contract and the terms he would have been due. And he left 9 months ago anyway.
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This is that much of a melodrama it feels like the famous dream storyline in Dallas....
One day soon I'll wake up, realise that Harry Redknapp was offered the England job and that Roy is still our manager and has been tied down to a 3 year deal...
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Some time soon the club is going to have to say theres the deal take it or leave it.Imo we are suffering from a bout of HARGREAVES SYNDROME i.e put your name out there in order to try and attract a better offer.I really feel that if RR truly wanted the job he would have signed on the dotted by now,i can see a whole omlette full of eggs landing on our face shortly.
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If RR says no, would anyone take Gus Poyet ? Dont think Brighton would step his way and compo would most likely be 2 million.
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He quit, this type of agreement would not have been drawn up as he would have turned his back on the original contract and the terms he would have been due. And he left 9 months ago anyway.
He quit, yes, due to exhaustion. But he would still have had to negotiate his was out of his contract (or lawyers, agents would). Because the exit was not to go to another club, Schalke could have insisted that he wait so long before taking another job, as a safeguard against him doing so and them missing out on compensation.
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The twist and turns of this saga are still very exciting but now becoming very tedious! Can't wait for the Euros now so I can finally cast my mind to something else for a change!
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Quite an interesting article on Steve Clarke, gives an insight into his philosophies and the way he works, quite impressive really..
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/02/04/2336725/there-are-not-many-footballers-who-dont-like-working-with
On another note I remember Mourinho lauding him and articulating why he would become such a good manager but I can't find this article at the moment..
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I said the other day it reminds me of the Hargreaves deal. I have no idea what we are planing at. It's looking like a shambles if I am honest. Pay the money and get hughton before its to late! Starting to get angry with Albion over this
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He quit, this type of agreement would not have been drawn up as he would have turned his back on the original contract and the terms he would have been due. And he left 9 months ago anyway.
He only took a break when he announced he had no energy left to manage the team. To be precise he was signed off work. Later on the contract was canceled and Ralf received a compensation payment by the club.
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Quite an interesting article on Steve Clarke, gives an insight into his philosophies and the way he works, quite impressive really..
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/02/04/2336725/there-are-not-many-footballers-who-dont-like-working-with
On another note I remember Mourinho lauding him and articulating why he would become such a good manager but I can't find this article at the moment..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/3023300/West-Hams-new-assistant-coach-Steve-Clarke-was-good-enough-to-manage-Chelsea-Football.html
Getting the coaching structure right is the most important thing if you want success on the field. Gianfranco Zola, the new manager, needed support from a man with experience and intelligence. Steve is that man.
I spoke to Steve after everything was done. I had one question for him: "Are you happy?" "Yes," he said. That was good enough for me. Don't look back, move on.
Steve and I worked very well together at Chelsea, won many trophies, and I think he is ready for more. In fact, this is what I think about Steve Clarke: if, at this moment, he had the chance to manage a club, even a big club like Chelsea, he would be ready for that. He is that good.
He is an intelligent guy and always looking to improve. He is very open to co-operation and learning. He has a good relationship with the players, knows how to handle them. I think he is much, much better than many managers who are in charge of teams at the moment.
So, while he has the capability to be a manager in his own right, I think he is happy with his move to West Ham. Even though he is not the No?1 in the structure, he is working closely with a friend – not just a friend, but a brother, because that is how close his relationship is with Franco.
Franco needs Steve because he does not have his experience of being on the training pitch, working with the players, with the methodology of coaching, with training organisation. With them working together they can do good things.
Of course, I'm not a West Ham fan, but with Steve having this responsibility there, I want them to succeed. Steve is a really top coach and a really top man.
For me, my work with Chelsea was made fortunate by having a good relationship with coaches. I am like this at Inter too. I am very open. The door of my football thoughts and methodology is open to the coaches of the youth team, the scouts, my fitness coach.
As the manager of a big structure you are responsible for the formation of these younger coaches. For example, there is another coach at Chelsea, Brendan Rogers, who was coach of the reserves. He is also ready for the next step.
I think it is important for British clubs to keep developing British coaches. It helps the future of the national teams.
I see that Chelsea have appointed Ray Wilkins as a coach. I think it is good that they have kept a British influence at the club.
Steve and Franco started their partnership against Newcastle yesterday. It is hard to understand the difficulties of Newcastle because they are a very big club. But after Bobby Robson left they were no longer the same.
They have never achieved the success that their investment deserved. They have to ask themselves why because they cannot get a top manager now. If they find the answer to that, success is sure to follow.
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If RR says no, would anyone take Gus Poyet ? Dont think Brighton would step his way and compo would most likely be 2 million.
He was my first choice and still is but i have a doubt as to whether he could see himself fitting in with our current structure.
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I said the other day it reminds me of the Hargreaves deal. I have no idea what we are planing at. It's looking like a shambles if I am honest. Pay the money and get hughton before its to late! Starting to get angry with Albion over this
Why get angry? Why should we stump up the money for Hughton and his backroom staff while probably paying to get rid of a couple of ours already in place when he is clearly not the number 1 target we have in mind?
You see it as a shambles as you haven't got a clue what is going on just like the rest of us and to a certain extent even the press who don't seem to have been given any information at all.
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If RR says no, would anyone take Gus Poyet ? Dont think Brighton would step his way and compo would most likely be 2 million.
I would bite your hand off for this to happen over some other names mentioned of late
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/3023300/West-Hams-new-assistant-coach-Steve-Clarke-was-good-enough-to-manage-Chelsea-Football.html
That's the one!
Cheers.
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Why get angry? Why should we stump up the money for Hughton and his backroom staff while probably paying to get rid of a couple of ours already in place when he is clearly not the number 1 target we have in mind?
You see it as a shambles as you haven't got a clue what is going on just like the rest of us and to a certain extent even the press who don't seem to have been given any information at all.
I agree. I don't think it's a shambles, certainly not of the Wolves variety. We're just keeping our cards close to our chest, which is exactly what Wolves didn't do. I think what's frustrating people is seeing other clubs snap up managers and just a panic that we might end up with a poor choice.
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If RR says no, would anyone take Gus Poyet ? Dont think Brighton would step his way and compo would most likely be 2 million.
Comp would be around the same as CH's was, so I would say that its not likely now, although I'm sure he is someone the club have considered, possibly even spoken to as well.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/3023300/West-Hams-new-assistant-coach-Steve-Clarke-was-good-enough-to-manage-Chelsea-Football.html
and when he left chelsea in 2008 whats he done since, coached clubs that have always eneded up under fire.Thanks but no thanks
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I said the other day it reminds me of the Hargreaves deal. I have no idea what we are planing at. It's looking like a shambles if I am honest. Pay the money and get hughton before its to late! Starting to get angry with Albion over this
Chill your boots - You have no idea what is going on.
JP and DA run the club sound, I for one am sure they are doing the right thing and we will get the right man that suits the club.
The most annoying thing for me is every fifteen minutes I am checking on this flamin site to see if anything has happened!!
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The only reason there are 164 pages of people complaining (I know it's not all 164/or everbody) is because the media usually publish anything going on inside a club people are used to know what is going on basically. In our case let's be honest other than JP and maybe DA no-body has a clue what is going on hence people get mad about unkwowns and decide to spout rubbish.
Personally couldn't care less, Albion will eventually appoint someone for whatever reasons/situation they feel is best and I will look forward to a summer of Euro's. I'm far more excited for those than our next manager.
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Chill your boots - You have no idea what is going on.
This sums up everything perfectly :D
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Comp would be around the same as CH's was, so I would say that its not likely now, although I'm sure he is someone the club have considered, possibly even spoken to as well.
Spending 2 millioin on the right coach/manager is just as important as buying a 2 million striker
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Spending 2 millioin on the right coach/manager is just as important as buying a 2 million striker
If not more important, and apparently the figure has turned out to be allot less than 2million figure that was banded about.
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I said the other day it reminds me of the Hargreaves deal. I have no idea what we are planing at. It's looking like a shambles if I am honest. Pay the money and get hughton before its to late! Starting to get angry with Albion over this
why? how is it a shambles when we are waiting for a decision from Rangnick, not the other way around. You say shambles, I say your fickle.
Just because we don't advertise EVERYTHING we do so you don't know what is happening then apparently that means they aren't doing their jobs. I'd advise you stick to yours as you dont make a good pundit
Spending 2 millioin on the right coach/manager is just as important as buying a 2 million striker
Not when it isn't neccessary...
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Spending 2 millioin on the right coach/manager is just as important as buying a 2 million striker
100% agree with you. But it seems that paying for a manager is not a route the board want to go down
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The only reason there are 164 pages of people complaining (I know it's not all 164/or everbody) is because the media usually publish anything going on inside a club people are used to know what is going on basically. In our case let's be honest other than JP and maybe DA no-body has a clue what is going on hence people get mad about unkwowns and decide to spout rubbish.
Personally couldn't care less, Albion will eventually appoint someone for whatever reasons/situation they feel is best and I will look forward to a summer of Euro's. I'm far more excited for those than our next manager.
Not convinced JP and DA are in control of the situation this time,after all one or other or both said they expected the new man to be in place by the end of May,now heading into 2nd week of June and still no hand on the rudder
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I am thinking Rangnick will take the job, just a matter of hours.
...I hope! ::)
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Not convinced JP and DA are in control of the situation this time,after all one or other or both said they expected the new man to be in place by the end of May,now heading into 2nd week of June and still no hand on the rudder
Have you seen direct quotes from JP or DA about what they expected? I've not been online that much so may be out of the loop a little but I've seen absolutely nothing from either of them.
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I am thinking Rangnick will take the job, just a matter of hours.
...I hope! ::)
We are or most of us anyway are clinging on to this thought but its fainting by the day
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I dont think we can criticise the club because they havent said anything during the whole process about any candidate and they dont have too either, everything is speculation. We are not a club that does our business in public, we dont constantly send out press releases with updates, thats why i feel a bit for the people covering the Albion as their job is to report whats happening and if the club dont give them much it must be very frustrating.
I personally think the longer it goes on its unlikely to be Rangnick, if i was the club i would set a deadline and not let it keep dragging on, not because we have to panic or we are desperate, but there comes a point when you say okay lets move on. I am not saying that should be today or anything, probably within the next couple of weeks because i think thats more than enough time for anybody even if moving countries, etc to decide if they want it.
I am all for us being patient and waiting for the right man but i would also be concerned if somebody has been offered the job that they are dragging their heels to see what else is available, again its only media speculation but Ralf was supposedly waiting to hear on Belgium, Bayern Munich and with things maybe being a bit uncertain at Spurs and no doubt other big clubs across Europe he is possibly keeping his eye on those positions, and he has every right too but if that is the case (not for one minute saying it is) as a club i dont we should wait forever and that why i would say we want an answer by say middle of June either way so as a club we can move on.
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I believe most of us including me will be glad when this is all over. One moment there is optimism followed by the opposite. CL for example today in his Birmingham Mail article suggests RR is favourite then makes an informal comment elsewhere that his gut feeling is that RR will not accept.
From what I have read if RR has been offered the job, the stumbling block seems to be family related and one of his sons not wanting to leave Germany.
It is reported by his agent that the club offered him the job last week but then I read in another article of the club denying this. With this conflicting information I am more inclined to believe the German side as I reckon JP doesn't want to lose face if RR turns down the offer.
It is also interesting that the club expects to have a new manager by this weekend so this coincides with comments again from Germany requesting time to consider before making a decision by the end of this week. It would also suggest that they have someone else lined up should RR not accept and Steve Clarke's name is now being bandied around. I can't imagine that a well established manager/first team coach would accept being second choice hence the worrying reference to names not generally popular with the fans.
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hardtobeat, it's not as simple as "it's gone over so they dont know what they are doing" We wanted to speak to Hughton but Birmingham got in the way to try and keep him, Ranieri obviously asked for time to consider his options before taking the Monacco job. Rangnick has done the same (delaying i mean, not the going for another job) Taking into acount that apparrently we've talked to about 8 managers according to the news (probably more) then it's easy to see where the time is going.
mean it's got to be difficult to juggle all that, transfers, contract details, what the players are doing etc. You also have to remember this is the first time we've had to look for a manager of this high a standard with such slim pickings without one falling into our laps a la Hodgson.
finally i'll reitterate - We are waiting for Rangnick, not the other way round.
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your last line Hunnington says exactly what i am saying the club is not in control of the situation RR is unusual for Jp as whether you like him or not he usually seems to have things in hand this time i'm not convinced.
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I am thinking Rangnick will take the job, just a matter of hours.
...I hope! ::)
If we don't hear anything in the next couple of days from the Albion then IMO we can say goodbye to Rangnick and start our search again.
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How long does Rangnick want.Surely when he was at the Hawthorns for the Arsenal game the club would have made it known he was wanted
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Hold on a moment I've been offered a job in a different country to that which I have worked in for the whole of my life so far so I'm going to make sure I accept the job within hours to appease the fans of that club... Not to mention uprooting a family etc from their native country.
I don't think so. The people with itchy feet need to get realistic. Anyone in football is the same as us in everyday life when it comes to accepting another job.
Give the bloke time, it sounds like he's ment to give his decision by Friday and I'm sure he will.
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And nobody should bother trying to compare us to other clubs, Villa and Liverpool appointed swiftly by throwing money at the problem something we can't do. You just have to look at these clubs previous appointments to see that they aren't exactly the model teams to follow when it comes to new managers.....
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Give the bloke time, it sounds like he's ment to give his decision by Friday and I'm sure he will.
Agreed. If anything this makes me believe he is seriously looking at this role and that he is taking the offer seriously.
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i know we've had a bit of a laugh at some of the bookies antics over the duration of the manhunt but skybet have surpassed themselves today from being the only major player to go odds against Rangnick they've shortened him monumentally to 1/3!! Has Jp jhad the nod and increased the transfer kitty?!! ;D
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And nobody should bother trying to compare us to other clubs, Villa and Liverpool appointed swiftly by throwing money at the problem something we can't do. You just have to look at these clubs previous appointments to see that they aren't exactly the model teams to follow when it comes to new managers.....
couldnt agree more now you put it like that
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I wish i could have a job offer that gave me a month to decide
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And nobody should bother trying to compare us to other clubs, Villa and Liverpool appointed swiftly by throwing money at the problem something we can't do. You just have to look at these clubs previous appointments to see that they aren't exactly the model teams to follow when it comes to new managers.....
Why can't we throw money at the problem? Ralf is still my number one choice, but for as an important position such as manager shouldn't we be willing to spend?
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Why can't we throw money at the problem? Ralf is still my number one choice, but for as an important position such as manager shouldn't we be willing to spend?
I imagine that we could ... we choose not to.
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Why can't we throw money at the problem? Ralf is still my number one choice, but for as an important position such as manager shouldn't we be willing to spend?
Being willing to spend and being able to spend are two vastly different things.
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Now, there is talks of Mike Phelan for the job. Just get it over with!
http://www.footytwits.com/en/trend/wba_152
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Now, there is talks of Mike Phelan for the job. Just get it over with!
http://www.footytwits.com/en/trend/wba_152
I wouldn't take much notice if I were you.
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Now, there is talks of Mike Phelan for the job. Just get it over with!
http://www.footytwits.com/en/trend/wba_152
'Talk' and it's exactly that. Surely you've supported Albion long enough to know that we aren't the usual media attention seeking club you find in the Premier League.
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Comp would be around the same as CH's was, so I would say that its not likely now, although I'm sure he is someone the club have considered, possibly even spoken to as well.
That kind of compensation to a Championship club should not be any kind of issue to a club of our current standing !
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Now, there is talks of Mike Phelan for the job. Just get it over with!
http://www.footytwits.com/en/trend/wba_152
If anything he is more of a leg end at Norwich
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Just wish they'd announce Rangnick so we could get this over with...
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Some very encouraging news on the BBC website:
The Belgium Football Federation (KBVB) have confirmed that Marc Wilmots has signed a two-year deal to become permanent coach of the national team.
This means that RR is no longer in the frame and could become our next manager very soon!
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Just wish they'd announce Rangnick so we could get this over with...
Same mate. Thing is if he hasn't made a decision what can we do?
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Some very encouraging news on the BBC website:
The Belgium Football Federation (KBVB) have confirmed that Marc Wilmots has signed a two-year deal to become permanent coach of the national team.
This means that RR is no longer in the frame and could become our next manager very soon!
Have you just come home from work :D
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Have you just come home from work :D
Haven't seen this info posted before, but I may have missed it.
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I imagine that we could ... we choose not to.
EXACTLY, we could always do a lot more than we ever appear to do.
Steve Clarke would be the height of penny-pinching..........
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EXACTLY, we could always do a lot more than we ever appear to do.
Steve Clarke would be the height of penny-pinching..........
Who do we need to pay for RR?
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EXACTLY, we could always do a lot more than we ever appear to do.
Steve Clarke would be the height of penny-pinching..........
Did you know that Steve Clarke was the highest paid assistant manager in Premiership history?
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Did you know that Steve Clarke was the highest paid assistant manager in Premiership history?
'assistant' being the operative word.............
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If were going to take a gamble on anyone id rather us take it on laudrup! At least he would appeal to alot of players.or even bergkamp. I mean what top player would be attracted if appleton was manager?
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Haven't seen this info posted before, but I may have missed it.
its just that that information was posted around 10.00am this morning mate ! ;)
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If were going to take a gamble on anyone id rather us take it on laudrup! At least he would appeal to alot of players.or even bergkamp. I mean what top player would be attracted if appleton was manager?
I seriously doubt players join based on the managers playing career. Bryan Robson was one of England's greatest ever players and didn't attract anything better than Megson.
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I personally think we should've done what we did last time this happened, which was to take the site down. (http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=34.0) :P
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its just that that information was posted around 10.00am this morning mate ! ;)
Apologies, I missed this one. In any event, it must be good news for us. I am very hopeful that RR will join us. I hope he does because I've put money on him to do so :D :D
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Hold on a moment I've been offered a job in a different country to that which I have worked in for the whole of my life so far so I'm going to make sure I accept the job within hours to appease the fans of that club... Not to mention uprooting a family etc from their native country.
I don't think so. The people with itchy feet need to get realistic. Anyone in football is the same as us in everyday life when it comes to accepting another job.
Give the bloke time, it sounds like he's ment to give his decision by Friday and I'm sure he will.
a good common sense post mate!
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Whoo hooooo i bring good news :D
HULL have offered their managers job to Steve Bruce!!! ;D
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Whoo hooooo i bring good news :D
HULL have offered their managers job to Steve Bruce!!! ;D
That's not good news for me I might see his big ugly moose head around town!
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It would hilarious to see the reaction of this board if we announced Mcleish as manager (well it wouldn't be funny but you get the point).
It's starting to feel like Ralf maybe stringing us along. I understand it's a big decision for him but seen as he was a guest for the Arsenal game i guess we have been showing serious interest in him for around 5 weeks now. Fingers crossed the reports are true that we will hear by the end of the week but if this drags into next week it's smacks of another Hargreaves situation.
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That's not good news for me I might see his big ugly moose head around town!
catapult practice ;D
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Anybody within want the job, Downing?
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It would hilarious to see the reaction of this board if we announced Mcleish as manager (well it wouldn't be funny but you get the point).
It's starting to feel like Ralf maybe stringing us along. I understand it's a big decision for him but seen as he was a guest for the Arsenal game i guess we have been showing serious interest in him for around 5 weeks now. Fingers crossed the reports are true that we will hear by the end of the week but if this drags into next week it's smacks of another Hargreaves situation.
We could turn all those boring Roy masterminded 1-0 wins into boring McCleish 0-0 draws..... ;)
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Hi there folks! First post for me on here! I just wanted to say that if and when Steve Clarke is appointed then I think we should assume that he is hungry for the job and has interviewed well. He has worked with some top players so it shouldn't be assumed that he'll put off potential big signings. He will need our full support.
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Hi there folks! First post for me on here! I just wanted to say that if and when Steve Clarke is appointed then I think we should assume that he is hungry for the job and has interviewed well. He has worked with some top players so it shouldn't be assumed that he'll put off potential big signings. He will need our full support.
He is a good football man and baggies fans tend to give people a chance. But a lot will be privately underwelmed.
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He is a good football man and baggies fans tend to give people a chance. But a lot will be privately underwelmed.
I think many will be publicly and violently underwhelmed!!
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I think many will be publicly and violently underwhelmed!!
Me included but it doesnt mean i wont go and support my team but i wont be happy until he were to prove otherwise, a little like Hodgson trying to win the press over
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Well the Belgium job has been taken. Not by Ralf.
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Hi there folks! First post for me on here! I just wanted to say that if and when Steve Clarke is appointed then I think we should assume that he is hungry for the job and has interviewed well. He has worked with some top players so it shouldn't be assumed that he'll put off potential big signings. He will need our full support.
This is surely a wind up? I trust peace, but i think this would be pushing it a little too far.
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5 more pages of panic!
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This is surely a wind up? I trust peace and all but that would be like walking in on the mrs in bed with three blokes and her saying nothing happened!!
I don't see the analogy to be honest. If he comes he'd be as big a risk as most other potential candidates - including Rangnick who most people would be gutted to miss out on even though they had never heard of him a week ago. If Steve Clarke gets the job then he has the potential to be a great manager. More importantly, a great West Brom manager. I think we must admit that as fans most of us don't have the best access to knowledge about who is respected within the football world.
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After just establishing ourselves in the premier league finishing tenth there is absolutly no way the jeremy peace we know would throw away (at best make a massive gamble) all that hard work by appointing a guy who has never managed, let alone managed in a top league. Will be ralfs number two if anything.
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After just establishing ourselves in the premier league finishing tenth there is absolutly no way the jeremy peace we know would throw away (at best make a massive gamble) all that hard work by appointing a guy who has never managed, let alone managed in a top league. Will be ralfs number two if anything.
Isn't RR seen as a top notch coach? Wouldn't need Clarke as part of the set up.
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Isn't RR seen as a top notch coach? Wouldn't need Clarke as part of the set up.
What i meant is that if we are considering him it will surely be for a lesser role than manager.
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Well the Belgium job has been taken. Not by Ralf.
Sweet...good news...
As england always say at this time of year " bring on the Germans!"
Or "German" as the case maybe
:D
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We all need to remember we are employing a head coach and not a manager. Clarke fits the bill. Hope it is RR though.
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I don't see the analogy to be honest. If he comes he'd be as big a risk as most other potential candidates - including Rangnick who most people would be gutted to miss out on even though they had never heard of him a week ago. If Steve Clarke gets the job then he has the potential to be a great manager. More importantly, a great West Brom manager. I think we must admit that as fans most of us don't have the best access to knowledge about who is respected within the football world.
I dont see a problem with Steve Clarke as a coach. He has a superb record at the top of the game. But there is a big difference between a No1 and a No2. Its how he would handle all the sh.t that goes with the top job. Thats where all the pressure is and some can deal with it and some cant. If you have been an assistant for a long time it usually means you dont really have the ambition and drive to take all that on and overcome it. I dont want to pour cold water on him but I think its a valid point.
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We all need to remember we are employing a head coach and not a manager. Clarke fits the bill. Hope it is RR though.
He doesnt fit my bill but who am i. Can someone tell me where his super record at the top come from.He had a decent time at Chelsea with the special one but hes failed ever since
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He doesnt fit my bill but who am i
a little dog
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This from twitter:
@WBAFCofficial: Work on the ticket office phone system will continue over night & we will post an update in the morning. Apologies for any inconvenience
I hope Ralf hasn't been ringing the ticket office by mistake!
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Who got the Belgium job then, cant see any news.
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This from twitter:
@WBAFCofficial: Work on the ticket office phone system will continue over night & we will post an update in the morning. Apologies for any inconvenience
I hope Ralf hasn't been ringing the ticket office by mistake!
People asking for refund heard its Appleton for manager
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Who got the Belgium job then, cant see any news.
The chap who was in it for the England game
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Who got the Belgium job then, cant see any news.
Gary Willmotts
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He doesnt fit my bill but who am i. Can someone tell me where his super record at the top come from.He had a decent time at Chelsea with the special one but hes failed ever since
I think that is a bit unfair. He has a lot of experience of coaching at top clubs and The Special Ones record was exemplary. To imply he is not a top coach just cannot be right. I sense your just miffed because you just cant deal with the thought of RR not being apponited and him being appointed rather than looking at his background objectively
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With the Belgium job sorted, i can see RR being appointed by the weekend, just a hunch no inside info.
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Gary Willmotts
What did happen to Gary Wilmotts
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With the Belgium job sorted, i can see RR being appointed by the weekend, just a hunch no inside info.
If there is any appointing to be done it sounds like hes the one appointing us
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What did happen to Gary Wilmotts
He's managing Belgium!
Seriously, I've no idea Mr Grimsdale.
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steve clarke now favorite (10/11) with skybet. Seriously who is betting on the guy to get his odds down??
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steve clarke now favorite (10/11) with skybet. Seriously who is betting on the guy to get his odds down??
Jeremy Peace, the sly fox will cover his wages this way!! :)
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If RR is out of the running then I would expect the club to have a word in the ear of CL. So far this has not happened, so there is still hope.
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i dont think for a minute that we ever went for CH the blues have let Norwich talk to him without a fight.RR for me will be gutted if its not
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steve clarke now favorite (10/11) with skybet. Seriously who is betting on the guy to get his odds down??
ITK's
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ITK's
Absolute tosh, fingers crossed it is. The blokes not even been mentioned for Norwich or Swansea so i don't believe for a minute
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Absolute tosh, fingers crossed it is. The blokes not even been mentioned for Norwich or Swansea so i don't believe for a minute
We will see Mr Russell.
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We all need to remember we are employing a head coach and not a manager. Clarke fits the bill. Hope it is RR though.
We're hiring a manager in all but name - there's a huge difference between a coach and manager\head coach\boss\gaffa\whatever you want to call him. By that reckoning Terry Connor would fit the bill. :o
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We will see Mr Russell.
Yes we will see Woof Woof
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Can i put Ian Holloways name forward again, he aint been mentioned for a while :)
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We're hiring a manager in all but name - there's a huge difference between a coach and manager\head coach\boss\gaffa\whatever you want to call him. By that reckoning Terry Connor would fit the bill. :o
No were not. Were employing a coach who has a remit to deal with all things football on and around the training pitch and on match days. All other management aspects on the football side are dealt with by DA and the two men will liase together where the roles meet. But you are right to be cautious with your comparison with TC. A classic example of an assistant who couldnt make the step up. Clarke? he may be able to he may not.....thats the clubs call
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Can i put Ian Holloways name forward again, he aint been mentioned for a while :)
And that's the way I like it. Not for me.
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No were not. Were employing a coach who has a remit to deal with all things football on and around the training pitch and on match days. All other management aspects on the football side are dealt with by DA and the two men will liase together where the roles meet. But you are right to be cautious with your comparison with TC. A classic example of an assistant who couldnt make the step up. Clarke? he may be able to he may not.....thats the clubs call
My view exactly. Mourinhio speaks very highly of him and I read an article/interview with Kieron Dyer about him - all very positive.
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If Clarke is that good how come he hasn't had a crack before now ?
He was assistant to Mourinho, while he was there Chelsea were outstanding.
He had a go with West Ham as number two, not so good there
And at Liverpool not too good there either.
He's never been a number one, so what has he got to improve us ?
Dissaster waiting to happen in my opinion.
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Just remember most managers have to be given a chance/a club takesa a risk on them somewhere. I think I read an article the other day saying no English clubs seem to want to do it (unlike clubs in Spain which reguarly recruit managers from lower leagues) which is why the same old rubbish (Bruce, McLeish etc) get the top jobs.
The club will do what is best for the club in good time. Simple as.
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Oh, don't jinx it. It's too early to say something.
Ralf might be reading it right now and thinking, well, I'll be teaching you all a lesson. :)
Official statement by Ralf: I was going to take the job at West Bromwich Albion and everything was just perfect until I read a post from dont ask me to choose luv. Then I completely changed my mind. Bäm, in your face to all the I told you so sayers. ;)
It's a good sign that Marc Wilmots was appointed new manager in Belgium. Great guy (Schalke 04 legend). One option less for Ralf. Ralf already turned down Besiktas and Anderlecht. But he also said he doesn't have to work as manager by the 1st of july (statement was in the German Kicker article yesterday). He'll only say yes if the job fits him. However I'm still very positiv about it.
Es gemeint war ironisch sein Schalke04FC, just like your reply ;) sadly its seems to of dissapeared, maybe somebody thought Ralf was reading the posts on here & didnt want to take a chance, oh well just a bit of fun. ;D
I really do hope Ralf Rangnick comes to West Brom but if he does'nt there's another German coach I've mentioned in previous posts, Bernd Schuster, now he's probably not even been on our radar but what do you think of him as a potential WBA head coach?
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If Clarke is that good how come he hasn't had a crack before now ?
He was assistant to Mourinho, while he was there Chelsea were outstanding.
He had a go with West Ham as number two, not so good there
And at Liverpool not too good there either.
He's never been a number one, so what has he got to improve us ?
Dissaster waiting to happen in my opinion.
Totally agree. A big risk and a big no from me.Is potato head still available
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if jp wants to get in our good books he will move mountains to get ralfy
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if jp wants to get in our good books he will move mountains to get ralfy
That's a big if!
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Are we back to that time of week when we can say the club usually announce things on a thursday?
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I would rather a head coach who is determined to succeed here, than one who isn't convinced he wants to manage us. Obviously if we can get those assurances from Rangnick that he is up for the challenge,I hope we get him, however, if he has major doubts perhaps someone like Clarke would be a preferable alternative. Clarke is indisputably good at coaching and we all know we operate differently to other clubs which may mitigate any of his potential shortcomings.
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Are we back to that time of week when we can say the club usually announce things on a thursday?
Yes......probably that the new range of summer t shirts are available to purchase in the club shop and online from 14.99
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Guess what, its Thursday tomorrow.Announcement day
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Guess what, its Thursday tomorrow.Announcement day
Second fixture on the Scandinavian tour?
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what do people think of carl robinson? always articulate and seems v popular with his players.
would prefer him to appleton at this stage...
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what do people think of carl robinson? always articulate and seems v popular with his players.
would prefer him to appleton at this stage...
Has always been my preferred choice from the start. Wonderful reputation in the game as a very forward thinking manager that plays very good technical football.
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Like many people have said, we finished 10th last year.
We need to build on that, so anyone from lower leagues would be a no go, we need to attract better players and encourage our current players to stay... RR fits the bill
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I've been out today and naively hoped to return to find this having been resolved. Should have known better.
So we now know that we never seriously went after Hughton. If we wanted him, the compensation should have been no object - it was small in football terms. We're going to look a bit silly now if Rangnick turns us down, as Clarke is a risk compared to Hughton IMO and, therefore, would be an indication of a cheap appointment being made, rather than him being the best candidate. Fingers crossed for Rangnick then....
As for people lauding the policy of retaining existing coaches when a new head coach comes in, this flies in the face of what normally happens. The guy where the buck stops should be completely free to appoint whatever backroom team he wants, as it's his neck that's going to be on the block. The backroom coaching team should be a footballing decision made by the head coach, end of story. Jobs for the boys shouldn't come into it.
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I've been out today and naively hoped to return to find this having been resolved. Should have known better.
So we now know that we never seriously went after Hughton. If we wanted him, the compensation should have been no object - it was small in football terms. We're going to look a bit silly now if Rangnick turns us down, as Clarke is a risk compared to Hughton IMO and, therefore, would be an indication of a cheap appointment being made, rather than him being the best candidate. Fingers crossed for Rangnick then....
As for people lauding the policy of retaining existing coaches when a new head coach comes in, this flies in the face of what normally happens. The guy where the buck stops should be completely free to appoint whatever backroom team he wants, as it's his neck that's going to be on the block. The backroom coaching team should be a footballing decision made by the head coach, end of story. Jobs for the boys shouldn't come into it.
How many pages have we progressed :D
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Karl Robinson is a good manager but he is no where near ready for the Premier League, If we were in the Championship then yes i would have him but were in the Premier League and we cant afford to give a job to young manager with very little experiance. No doubt though he will be in Premier League in a few years time.
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How many pages have we progressed :D
I can tell you that having been through them all: 9. As that sounds like a certain German word, let's hope it's not an omen! ;D
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Jeremy Peace can do what he likes when he likes.
He`ll say he hasnt put up season ticket prices so stop moaning.
Ive got to say that some of these Albion fans sound like a load of moaning mini`s.
Just let Jeremy Peace and Dan Ashworth get on with it.
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There's a huge difference between taking on a potentially good manager (Clark) and a proven potentially good manager.
I don't think any Premiership club should ever be the first club for any manager. Everyone has to start somewhere, but it should be anywhere but the Premiership, the risk is just too big. Instead, potential managers should work for their status instead of going on hearsay.
Even Rodgers had to begin somewhere (Watford) and he failed at Reading...we can't risk someone like Clark, or Appleton for that matter.
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I've just tweeted:
@MikeReed30: Steve Clarke left Liverpool! Ooeer hope that doesn't mean what I think it does!
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Jeremy Peace can do what he likes when he likes.
He`ll say he hasnt put up season ticket prices so stop moaning.
Ive got to say that some of these Albion fans sound like a load of moaning mini`s.
Just let Jeremy Peace and Dan Ashworth get on with it.
He'll do what he wants, he'll do what he wants
Jeremy Peace he'll do what he wants....
;D
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I've just tweeted:
@MikeReed30: Steve Clarke left Liverpool! Ooeer hope that doesn't mean what I think it does!
I'm afraid it does............Brendan Rodgers doesn't want him :o
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I'm afraid it does............Brendan Rodgers doesn't want him :o
Lol!
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I'm afraid it does............Brendan Rodgers doesn't want him :o
Thought he had already left. The last cast off we had from Liverpool did well at least.
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It's probably going to end up being Clarke :)
I'm not actually devastated though - this could potentially be a very good appointment.
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http://www.thecelticnetwork.com/2012/06/04/steve-clarke-on-the-verge-of-joining-celtic/ I mentioned this earlier.
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He'll do what he wants, he'll do what he wants
Jeremy Peace he'll do what he wants....
;D
Tipton ?
Enough said!!!!!
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Clarke was leaving liverpool anyway so it probaly dosent mean anything.
The thought of seeing steve clarkes miserable mush on the touchline really worries me.
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Watch Clarke's odds drop now
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Es gemeint war ironisch sein Schalke04FC, just like your reply ;) sadly its seems to of dissapeared, maybe somebody thought Ralf was reading the posts on here & didnt want to take a chance, oh well just a bit of fun. ;D
I really do hope Ralf Rangnick comes to West Brom but if he does'nt there's another German coach I've mentioned in previous posts, Bernd Schuster, now he's probably not even been on our radar but what do you think of him as a potential WBA head coach?
I know it was tongue-in-cheek (es war ironisch gemeint :)). I just couldn't resist. As for Bernd Schuster, his name sometimes comes up when a job in the Bundesliga needs to be filled. He had a terrible last stint with Besiktas even though he had good players at his disposal (at least that's what a I heard). But tbh I haven't really followed him so I can't really say. Plus there aren't any rumours about him and WBA, I guess.
@WorcsWBA: that was really nice (Nein!).
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celtic looks agood fit for clarke.i think we can expect RR to bring his own staff if he gets the job ,would be a brave man to turn up on his own. keep the faith and our fingers crossed.
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what do people think of carl robinson? always articulate and seems v popular with his players.
would prefer him to appleton at this stage...
Karl is another who plays the game the right way, I'm all for giving up and coming managers a go but on this occasion I think we can aim a bit higher ?
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Obviously an excellent young coach with huge potential but probably would do better taking a Championship job first......Big step to the Prem
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Danny Kelly on Talksport just said Holloway is back in the running, yes yes yes
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Danny Kelly on Talksport just said Holloway is back in the running, yes yes yes
Ive always thought you were Ian Holloways love child anyway so your reaction is predictable..... ::)
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Ive always thought you were Ian Holloways love child anyway so your reaction is predictable..... ::)
If i remember before the poll was tampered with he had another 58 love children ;)
Go put a few quid on Ian folks :Ds
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Olly
Olly
Olly
No!
No!
NO!!!
Now if we had a vacancy for village idiot that would be different.
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Holloway or Clarke = Holloway for me ;D
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Holloway or Clarke = Holloway for me ;D
= relegation
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Hopefully Ralf has made his mind up, would like to see us crack on with appointing someone so we can look to strengthening our team.
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Just seen this on Express & Star website
"West Bromwich Albion plan to appoint their new head coach by the end of this week – with leading contender Ralf Rangnick also set to decide his future before the weekend.
West Brom’s hunt for Roy Hodgson’s successor entered its sixth week today with the club remaining tight-lipped on the search.
But there were clear indications today that the process is entering its final stages – and Rangnick’s agent claimed last night that another meeting is planned with Albion in the next few days.
Agent Oliver Mintzlaff said: “West Bromwich Albion gave us time for consideration. An offer was made and we will meet up this week for a final decision.”
While Albion insist no formal offer has been made, the club are known to have held several meetings with the 53-year-old. But it is understood they still have alternative candidates in mind.
Sources close to former Charlton and West Ham boss Alan Curbishley, ex-Baggies No.2 Michael Appleton and Brighton manager Guy Poyet, who have all been mentioned as potential candidates, have privately played down the links.
Liverpool assistant boss Steve Clarke, who looks set to be surplus to requirements at Anfield under new boss Brendan Rodgers, and Manchester United No.2 Mike Phelan have both been sounded out."
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2012/06/06/west-brom-closer-to-naming-new-manager/
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Go put a few quid on Ian folks :Ds
Sorry but even winning a few quid wouldn't ease the pain of Ian 'look at me' Holloway.
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Just seen this on Express & Star website
"West Bromwich Albion plan to appoint their new head coach by the end of this week – with leading contender Ralf Rangnick also set to decide his future before the weekend.
West Brom’s hunt for Roy Hodgson’s successor entered its sixth week today with the club remaining tight-lipped on the search.
But there were clear indications today that the process is entering its final stages – and Rangnick’s agent claimed last night that another meeting is planned with Albion in the next few days.
Agent Oliver Mintzlaff said: “West Bromwich Albion gave us time for consideration. An offer was made and we will meet up this week for a final decision.”
While Albion insist no formal offer has been made, the club are known to have held several meetings with the 53-year-old. But it is understood they still have alternative candidates in mind.
Sources close to former Charlton and West Ham boss Alan Curbishley, ex-Baggies No.2 Michael Appleton and Brighton manager Guy Poyet, who have all been mentioned as potential candidates, have privately played down the links.
Liverpool assistant boss Steve Clarke, who looks set to be surplus to requirements at Anfield under new boss Brendan Rodgers, and Manchester United No.2 Mike Phelan have both been sounded out."
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2012/06/06/west-brom-closer-to-naming-new-manager/
More rubbish from the press, how do they know when ralf will make his mind up ? his had talks with us and we have offered it to him why would we hold more talks ?, Dont believe for a second we have spoke to gus poyet, bull.
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Ralf's agent said he'll make his mind up by the weekend, not the E&S.
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I know it's frustrating but i think Albion are acting in a very professional manner,not like the mouthy gits down the road who keep giving statements to the press every day,and then looking fools.
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Surely we can attract a better manager than Holloway, and one who's less of a ****.
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I'm not against Clarke, a very expirienced and sought after coach in the premiership.
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I'm not against Clarke, a very expirienced and sought after coach in the premiership.
It looks as if he's heading to Celtic. A RR and Clarke partnership at Albion would be a perfect match.
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I've been watching the odds on Betfair.
Steve Clarke has been backed down to 2 to 1 ON from odds against in the past hour.
RR has drifted from even money to 3/1.
Speculation perhaps, but big market moves.
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Holloway is a grade A clown. No thank you.
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If RR is due another meeting with club this week, I cant see him coming all this way to say no. Can you?
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I know it's frustrating but i think Albion are acting in a very professional manner,not like the mouthy gits down the road who keep giving statements to the press every day,and then looking fools.
Well said mate. Couldn't agree more it was laughable the mess those idiots made of it.
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I still think it will be Ralf. Just a hunch but I think if we were getting the big knock back it would have happened by now.
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oddschecker has most bookies , Clarke 1/2 for the job RR is out to 2/1 with some
It smacks that even the bookies aint got a clue, that must be 6 different odds on favourites theyv'e had !
As with previous appointments that J.P. has made, the first we will hear will be the news of who has taken the job.
We could still be in for a surprise, and the agony of the wait will all be worth it !
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I'm not against Clarke, a very expirienced and sought after coach in the premiership.
You'd rather have him than Hughton?
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I think Hughton will be elsewhere, I'm still hoping its RR.
Clarke is very similar to Hughton in certain ways, done his time as a high level coach.
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I've been watching the odds on Betfair.
Steve Clarke has been backed down to 2 to 1 ON from odds against in the past hour.
RR has drifted from even money to 3/1.
Speculation perhaps, but big market moves.
Backed to 1.4 and not on small volume either. Perhaps Mr Russell will believe me now when I said it was ITK's.
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You'd rather have him than Hughton?
Not really a fair comparison since we have not made an approach and wont be making an approach for Hughton. If we had then of course most would plump for Hughton
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Backed to 1.4 and not on small volume either. Perhaps Mr Russell will believe me now when I said it was ITK's.
He is off to Celtic and a number 2 where he belongs. Ollie Ollie Ollie Oi Oi OI
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He is off to Celtic and a number 2 where he belongs. Ollie Ollie Ollie Oi Oi OI
I don't see the excitement of Holloway!
Can someone enlighten me as to why he would be a step forward!
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I don't see the excitement of Holloway!
Can someone enlighten me as to why he would be a step forward!
Well, he's done pretty incredible things with Blackpool considering their budget.
However, I don't think we'd hire him as he strikes me as a bit of a control freak...
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I don't see the excitement of Holloway!
Can someone enlighten me as to why he would be a step forward!
And can someone enlighten me why i should be excited about a number 2 in clarke who has failed wherever he goes apart from his time with the special one.
I know Holloway is not everyones cup of tea, most in fact.I just love listenting to the bloke,he makes me happy just like watching his football brand.He is a motivator and we would win more home games which is where i spend most of my money.I would rather struggle watching his brand than a dour Hughton or Clarke brand, simples ;)
Good night all
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He is off to Celtic and a number 2 where he belongs. Ollie Ollie Ollie Oi Oi OI
Never going to happen Jack your going to have to keep spending your Christmas in Blackpool!
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Still hoping Ralph chooses to coach us if im honest....
Be an anti-climax for me if its anybody else...
Come on Ralph ...."Albion Albion Uber alles Uber alles in der welt"
"kommen Sie hier zu einem club mit tradition Kultur und Geschichte Ralph" ;)
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Backed to 1.4 and not on small volume either. Perhaps Mr Russell will believe me now when I said it was ITK's.
There are very few people who are genuinely "ITK" about our current situation and I would suggest the only ones who are certain about our position are Mr Peace, Mr Ashworth and Mr Rangnick. Unless those three are purely responsible for the market moves I would suggest it's simply punters piling money on the RR alternative as it has been well documented that Clarke is in the frame.
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There's multiple options and there all possible/decent
1 ralf
2 ralf and Steve Clarke
3 AVB ( spoke to us twice, if not interested why go London twice?)
4 an unknown foreign ex France,ex Spanish To work with dan
5 dan Ashworth , ray Wilkins and Steve Clarke
6 micheal laudrap
7 Any of roger lemere, jean tigana , Steve mclaren, lotthar matteus.
I still have faith
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Laudraup for Swansea , Clarke for ys.... A good 6 weeks work. :-\
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another day of coming home from work to pages of speculation. We're all repeating ourselves looks like ralf has till friday so i guess we'll all be repeating ourselves again tomorrow! I dont really know how id feel about steve clarke - massively underwhelmed but not over worried?!
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I don't understand where all the negativity is coming from, why is everyone feeling so pessimistic about Ralf?
If it was a no I would have thought it would have come by now. If he's due for talks tomorrow or Friday that indicates to me that he's meeting with us to finalise things.
Keep the faith, Ralf is coming.
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I don't understand where all the negativity is coming from, why is everyone feeling so pessimistic about Ralf?
If it was a no I would have thought it would have come by now. If he's due for talks tomorrow or Friday that indicates to me that he's meeting with us to finalise things.
Keep the faith, Ralf is coming.
This may sound like a stupid question - but do you know whether they're holding talks in person (In England?) or by technological communications?
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oddschecker has most bookies , Clarke 1/2 for the job RR is out to 2/1 with some
It smacks that even the bookies aint got a clue, that must be 6 different odds on favourites theyv'e had !
As with previous appointments that J.P. has made, the first we will hear will be the news of who has taken the job.
We could still be in for a surprise, and the agony of the wait will all be worth it !
The bookies base their odds off where the money goes. They don't care if someone has no chance for the job, if money gets put on them the odds will come in. Getting a few dozen people to all bet £20 each on Terry Connor and watch his odds shift.
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We need a spy keeping tabs on Albion's London offices. We can then all fleece the bookies. :D :D
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The bookies base their odds off where the money goes. They don't care if someone has no chance for the job, if money gets put on them the odds will come in. Getting a few dozen people to all bet £20 each on Terry Connor and watch his odds shift.
Are you ITK ? :D
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I don't understand where all the negativity is coming from, why is everyone feeling so pessimistic about Ralf?
If it was a no I would have thought it would have come by now. If he's due for talks tomorrow or Friday that indicates to me that he's meeting with us to finalise things.
Keep the faith, Ralf is coming.
Thats the way i see it why would he fly over just to say no thanks.
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Thats the way i see it why would he fly over just to say no thanks.
Who said he was flying in? A meeting can be conducted on the phone or over the net. All we know is that he will be speaking to JP or DA or both.
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Yes this is my question - how do we know they're meeting in person?
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Apologies if this has been mentioned, my mobile wont load certain pages. But according to express and star, the new head coach should be named by end of this week. I was hoping for AVB. Looks like i'm going to be disappointed.
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Who said he was flying in? A meeting can be conducted on the phone or over the net. All we know is that he will be speaking to JP or DA or both.
Not with the Albion's phones it can't. Not if the fiasco with the ticket office phones today is anything to judge by.
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Not with the Albion's phones it can't. Not if the fiasco with the ticket office phones today is anything to judge by.
In fact maybe that's been the problem. Ralf keeps getting to 3 in the queue and getting cut off :P
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Not with the Albion's phones it can't. Not if the fiasco with the ticket office phones today is anything to judge by.
That was Ralph trying to get in touch with JP about what time his flight to East Midlands airport was landing, and if he could get more legroom on his Ryanair flight.
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id like to get RR but if not poyet and clarke wouldnt be a bad plan B ;D
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Who said he was flying in? A meeting can be conducted on the phone or over the net. All we know is that he will be speaking to JP or DA or both.
I guess its all down to interpretation,the agent was quoted as saying we will meet up this week.
I never considered that to mean phone or some other form of communication.
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I think Hughton will be elsewhere
I know that, but he could have been here.
I'm still hoping its RR.
Me too. It'll be such a big let down if it isn't.
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I would seriously be disappointed with Steve Clarke.
Still holding out for RR.
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I would seriously be disappointed with Steve Clarke.
Still holding out for RR.
This. Hoping we get good news tomorrow.
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Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski
#wba turn to Steve Clarke after Ralf Rangnick drops out of running http://bit.ly/KSIvuT #wbafans
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As one or two others have mentioned, it is assumed that RR has been in the running since the Arsenal game and possibly before that if approached and sounded out. If a decision still can't be made after such a period of time then it would suggest that RR has reservations more than just family issues as surely those issues would have been discussed at length and a decision made on by now.
I am not confident in him accepting but hope to be proved wrong.
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Oh dear :(
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Never wanted rangnick anyway, Steve Clarke's barmy army :-\
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Its just become a complete Joke! Why are we going for a bloke who has never been top of the tree!
SIX WEEKS!
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Time for us to shift to another ass to kiss.
Roll on the 'I didn't want RR anyway' posts. ::)
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Ralph's history by the looks of it
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Its just become a complete Joke! Why are we going for a bloke who has never been top of the tree!
SIX WEEKS!
Why did Newcastle do that when they appointed Hughton? Its a head coach role, he has the top level experience in a coaching role so could be a genuine surprise package if we get him that is.
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oh dear dear please not clarke
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if this is true then i am seriously p*ssed off.
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Why did Newcastle do that when they appointed Hughton? Its a head coach role, he has the top level experience in a coaching role so could be a genuine surprise package if we get him that is.
Always look on the bright side of life ay ;)
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i have nothing against Clarke but Rangnick seemed exciting. Nice to meet you German guys shame all your posts were for something that aint happening
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why is RR out of the running
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I think we could do a lot worse than Clarke, lets at least give him a chance if he's the man.
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As one or two others have mentioned, it is assumed that RR has been in the running since the Arsenal game and possibly before that if approached and sounded out. If a decision still can't be made after such a period of time then it would suggest that RR has reservations more than just family issues as surely those issues would have been discussed at length and a decision made on by now.
I am not confident in him accepting but hope to be proved wrong.
As I typed this last post, another poster confirmed my fear.
Perhaps the club should have read this better in its dealings with RR and not allowed it to be strung out this long.
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oh dear dear please not clarke
Gutted right now. Hope CL is wrong. Clarke is not the step up in any way shape or form. From Roy to this is not even nearly the right direction. Thank god I'm at the cricket all day Saturday with a load of dingles - no abuse there then!
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Does it actually confirm that RR is out, and if so why?
I'm warm to Clarke - contacts a plenty at Chelsea and maybe his mate Jose can help us out with a loan or two!
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Why did Newcastle do that when they appointed Hughton? Its a head coach role, he has the top level experience in a coaching role so could be a genuine surprise package if we get him that is.
SIX WEEKS and we go for the CHEAP OPTION. Booted out by Liverpool due to not being involved in Rodger's plans and we pick up the little scraps from the big club!
We picked up the big scraps when we got Hodgson.
Its disgraceful how long it has taken, we will never know the truth but when Norwich get there manager almost in less than a week what has taken us six weeks!
You will see alot of players jumping ship if he is chosen! Not big enough, and to be quite frank without Wikipedia we wouldnt know much abaout Ralf and Steve so shows how big a name they are to us baggies!
He hasnt been appointed and hopefully he wont!
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i'm a peace and DA fan and generally quite happy with the running of the club but if we have just waited 6 weeks for Hodgson to be replaced by Clarke then i am seriously underwhelmed.
I will give him my backing 100% but, well i'm speechless.
All this talk of RR, Ranieri, AVB (true or not) and we finally get our man - Steve Clarke.
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Always look on the bright side of life ay ;)
I'm passed caring to be completely honest with you. Whoever we get in I'll give them a fair chance, I wasn't excited by Mowbray or RDM but they didn't do too badly for us. I would have preferred someone with experience as the number 1 but with our job title being head coach I'm not so sure it is a vital attribute to have.
Lets face it whoever we got in has an extremely tough challenge on their hands to keep up the good work that Roy put in.
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Anyone like to contribute to my losing bet on RR? :-[ :-[
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Nothing says RR has turned us down but sounds adamant he could be announced by tomorrow evening...
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Does it actually confirm that RR is out, and if so why?
I'm warm to Clarke - contacts a plenty at Chelsea and maybe his mate Jose can help us out with a loan or two!
RDM had contacts at Chelsea but that didn't help us
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WEST Bromwich Albion will turn their attentions to Steve Clarke after Ralf Rangnick dropped out of the running to be the next head coach.
The 48-year-old left Liverpool earlier today. He had been Kenny Dalglish's first-team coach.
The Baggies initially had German ex-Schalke boss Rangnick in mind for the gaffer's role.
Yet Albion maintained all along they had not offered him the job - a claim countered by Rangnick's consultant Oliver Mintzlaff.
I understand Rangnick's head was turned by the Belgian national team vacancy, which was filled by interim coach Marc Wilmots earlier this morning.
Whether that altered the dynamics of those discussions is unclear but Albion have swiftly moved onto Scotsman Clarke, whose odds have been tumbling for two days.
News of Clarke's potential appointment will be met with a mixed reaction among Albion fans, although the club's basis for wanting to recruit him has some logic.
Although Clarke is recognised more for his coaching credentials, the Baggies' job is effectively a head coach's role rather than a conventional managerial position.
Many of the traditional 'manager' responsibilities are handled by sporting and technical director Dan Ashworth.
The Hawthorns hierarchy will have been impressed by Clarke's coaching pedigree.
He is one of several current top flight coaches to come through Chelsea's network.
Others include new Liverpool boss Brendan Rogers, present Stamford Bridge No2 Eddie Newton and Paris Saint-Germain coach Paul Clement.
Clarke, an ex-Scotland international defender, has 14-years experience on the touchline, having being recruited by Ruud Gullit to be Newcastle United assistant manager in 1998.
He managed the club in a caretaker capacity for one game following Gullit's resignation.
From there Clarke moved to Chelsea, spending some time coaching the youth team.
He became Jose Mourinho's right-hand man following the Portuguese manager's arrival in 2004.
There he remained until 2008, before moving to West Ham, serving under Gianfranco Zola.
He left Upton Park by mutual consent two years later, before pitching up alongside Kenny Dalglish on Merseyside following Roy Hodgson's sacking last January.
Clarke's departure from Anfield was announced at tea-time, with new boss Brendan Rogers expected to bring in his own men.
It will also pave the way for further discussions with Albion tomorrow, with a view to him being unveiled as Hodgson's successor.
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/06/06/west-bromwich-albion-turn-to-steve-clarke-97319-31130174/ (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/06/06/west-bromwich-albion-turn-to-steve-clarke-97319-31130174/)
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Cue JP saying we got our first choice lol.
Will give whoever is appointed my backing, but a 6 week process that ends with appointing someone who has just been effectively dismissed elsewhere seems poor. Especially in light of moves made by other clubs (much more swiftly) in that period.
I hope it's a success or I can see Steve Clarke and the Board (JP) coming under heavy criticism over this quite quickly.
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Why did Newcastle do that when they appointed Hughton? Its a head coach role, he has the top level experience in a coaching role so could be a genuine surprise package if we get him that is.
Hughton was rare...Look at Kean, Connor, Sbragia, Queiroz, off the top of my head, all failed.
Bar Hughton which successful coach-to-manager has ever been successful in their FIRST year of management?
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I'm utterly speechless. 6 weeks in and we're down to our main target being someone who's only ever been an assistant and one who's only been successful at one club at that (in circumstances where it's pretty hard to fail. You couldn't make it up. And to think we deried the Wolves board for presiding over a shambles. Absolutely pathetic. >:(
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dont rule RR yet, lepowski has said a lot of things hat havent come true
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Does it actually confirm that RR is out, and if so why?
I'm warm to Clarke - contacts a plenty at Chelsea and maybe his mate Jose can help us out with a loan or two!
From the mail article:
The Baggies initially had German ex-Schalke boss Rangnick in mind for the gaffer's role.
Yet Albion maintained all along they had not offered him the job - a claim countered by Rangnick's consultant Oliver Mintzlaff.
I understand Rangnick's head was turned by the Belgian national team vacancy, which was filled by interim coach Marc Wilmots earlier this morning.
Whether that altered the dynamics of those discussions is unclear but Albion have swiftly moved onto Scotsman Clarke, whose odds have been tumbling for two days.
Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2012/06/06/west-bromwich-albion-turn-to-steve-clarke-97319-31130174/#ixzz1x3Q30y39
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why is RR out of the running
He probably wanted to be paid for working for us - always a problem with our Chairman.
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Totally deflated with this news - I did fear it as today went on. >:(
Feels cheap and nasty - a number two yes man for Peace ; a figurehead that will attract no-one within the player ranks.
Also pi88sed off with Rangnick for apparently stringing us along for a week or so..........
Surely Hughton would be the better fit and ato see him go to Narwich will just about put the icing on the cake for us.
How many weeks since we knew we would lose Hodgson and Clarke is all we could muster !!!!!!!!!
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SIX WEEKS and we go for the CHEAP OPTION. Booted out by Liverpool due to not being involved in Rodger's plans and we pick up the little scraps from the big club!
We picked up the big scraps when we got Hodgson.
Its disgraceful how long it has taken, we will never know the truth but when Norwich get there manager almost in less than a week what has taken us six weeks!
You will see alot of players jumping ship if he is chosen! Not big enough, and to be quite frank without Wikipedia we wouldnt know much abaout Ralf and Steve so shows how big a name they are to us baggies!
He hasnt been appointed and hopefully he wont!
Its disgraceful that we have taken our time to try and get the right man for the job giving him the chance to make a massive decision to uproot his family to another country. As for Clarke I have no issue with him other than a lack of experience as the number 1 but I'm sure Newcastle fans thought the same when they appointed Hughton but he hasn't done too badly for himself.
Maybe the cheap option was the best option, we wont know until whoever gets the job has a fair chance but they have a tough act to follow from Roy. I feel whoever we get in is on to a loser from the off given the names some of our fans got their hopes up about signing and turning their noses up at the likes of Hughton.
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Who was the last coach to step up as their first main job at this level and be successful?
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a figurehead that will attract no-one within the player ranks.
Its only money that attracts players these days despite what they say when they sign for a new club.
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RDM had contacts at Chelsea but that didn't help us
Very true plus Clarke left Chelsea ages ago and was always NUMBER TWO without any real pull !!!
When does this April Fool end ?
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Well if Clarke takes over then of course i will support him %110 but think it's a bit of a gamble, not exactly as if he has been hounded by other clubs to take over, highly rated 2nd in commands are well known and he's not one of them from MY knowledge.
If we can't have RR then i deffo would have gone for Hughton and his team, just pay the extra couple hundred grand or whatever it is and get some proven personnel in.
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6 weeks = steve clarke.
i still don't know what to say.
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Speechless.
I really can't be arsed to comment, just like the board can't be arsed to show any kind of ambition.
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Hughton was rare...Look at Kean, Connor, Sbragia, Queiroz, off the top of my head, all failed.
Bar Hughton which successful coach-to-manager has ever been successful in their FIRST year of management?
How many of those were given the role of head coach rather than manager?
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Bar Hughton which successful coach-to-manager has ever been successful in their FIRST year of management?
We haven't got a year to waste with this guy such is the critical stage our club is at !
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Knew this would happen, absolutely awful that we drop out of the Hughton race and then lump for someone with no managerial experience whatsoever. Not happy at all.
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Will still and always get behind the team, but I'm disgusted if this is how it ends up. Six weeks concluded with Steve Clarke. Absolute shambles. >:(
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I'm fuming if this is true, club moved years under Hodgson - simple reason was because he was a vastly experience manager. Steve Clarke has never managed at any level, may be a good coach but can I ask how the hell is going to the managing side? DA? Oh yeah he also has vast managing experience, doesn't he??!! >:(
Done on the cheap & smacks of desperation!!
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Well if Clarke takes over then of course i will support him %110 but think it's a bit of a gamble, not exactly as if he has been hounded by other clubs to take over, highly rated 2nd in commands are well known and he's not one of them from MY knowledge.
If we can't have RR then i deffo would have gone for Hughton and his team, just pay the extra couple hundred grand or whatever it is and get some proven personnel in.
What appointment wouldn't be a risk? They all start with a clean slate as soon as they walk into the training ground for the first time. Fans were desperate for a big name and it looks like they haven't got it.
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I'm sure Newcastle fans thought the same when they appointed Hughton but he hasn't done too badly for himself.
Indeed not. He could have been here but for one person being tight beyond reason.
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I feel whoever we get in is on to a loser from the off given the names some of our fans got their hopes up about signing and turning their noses up at the likes of Hughton.
To be fair, most were more than happy with Hughton initially and as back-up but he didn't excite as much as the 'German Project' !
How I would love Hughton now !!!!!!
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Why has everybody got a downer on Clarke ? . He's a man with a wealth of experience who's worked under big named managers, and after all that's what the job title is Head Coach Ragnik no prem knowledge think he could be just the man . ;D
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Its only money that attracts players these days
Oh that's OK then as Peace is noted for his generosity.....
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Try and keep your feelings to yourself folks, you are fuelling the fire for those on the mix ;) ;D
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Well, gutted. But I expected it after a while.
We just have to get on with it now. I am happy with Steve Clarke - he was said to be very interactive as an assistant manager and first team coach so I don't think coaching will be a problem; apparently, he's fond of playing the game on the ground based on pass-and-move ideals - he is also noted for his knowledge of the defensive side of the game.
I know it's already been posted here but this is a very good read if you're not convinced:
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/02/04/2336725/there-are-not-many-footballers-who-dont-like-working-with
I think we should give him a chance personally :)
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What appointment wouldn't be a risk? They all start with a clean slate as soon as they walk into the training ground for the first time. Fans were desperate for a big name and it looks like they haven't got it.
All appointments are a risk but somebody with no first team coaching/managing (take your pick) experience is a significantly larger risk. Of course there could always be those kind of risks that pay off however i feel that the club is at such a crucial and critical balance currently it is not a risk worth taking.
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Hey just think he could bring dalgleish as his number 2
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To be fair, most were more than happy with Hughton initially and as back-up but he didn't excite as much as the 'German Project' !
How I would love Hughton now !!!!!!
People got their hopes up over a big name to follow up from Roy. Whoever we get has a very tough act to follow, I understand concerns over Clarke but I can't say I will be disappointed with him should we get him in all honesty. We may need to post the number to the Samaritans on here for some.
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So we're all in favour then? ;D
Got to say, love the timing of this release. You can almost hear CL thinking 'right the flak's going to fly with this one, so i'll post it at 11pm and log off for the night' :P
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Fans were desperate for a big name and it looks like they haven't got it.
big name = experience (usually).
are we not entitled to a desire a big name? rangnick isn't a big name but his record holds up. I don't necessarily want a big name, but i want a manager with at least some experience and a decent record.
after so many years of relegation and promotion we are finally in our best position we have been for years and might make an awful appointment.
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this might just be paper talk :-X
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I would have been annoyed by them appointing Lee Clarke but at least he's had management experience which is more than can be said for Steve. I really hope he can prove me wrong but I feel we're in for a long painful season.
I honestly thought we were striving to move up as a club and showing our ambition by approaching someone with the calibre of Rangnick but now It seems we're determined to be another club looking for the diamond in the rough.
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Actually warming to the idea, he's worked with top class players, He knows the prem inside out and has worked under mourinho ;D come on guys lets give him a chance we could have landed a gem. Glad this is coming to a end.
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People got their hopes up over a big name to follow up from Roy.
Not me - I would have been happy with Hughton who was easily within our reach. I can't believe there are so many people who will defend the Chairman come what may.
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Feck.........
Am properly annoyed and have a horrible feeling now about the season to come.
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Calm down rr has given us the run around looking for better offers fact so peace and co have now turned around and said you have messed us about long enough were moving on bye I wonder whether it might be rr having a change of heart in the next 24 hours not us?
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Samaritans - 08457 90 90 90
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big name = experience (usually).
Experience doesn't always = success.
I accept that people have an issue with him not having experience as a number one but I'm happy enough for us to give him an opportunity if they think he is the right man for the job if Rangnick has ruled himself out.
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Let's face it. A club like ours will never attract top coaches unless they only want to use us (RH?) to prove themselves or aim for something higher.
Our set up and JPs reputation in the game will deter many.
Underwhelmed by the potential appointment and the way the club has handled the appointment of a new manager puts them on a par with our neighbours now. Of course there could yet be a further twist to this saga.
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Got to say I'm very disappointed especially after being linked with a manager of Rangnick's calibre for so long, It is certainly a massive gamble hiring someone with literally no managerial experience ( yes i know we want a head coach and he has a coaching experience ) - Who knows though it could pay off, but after 6 weeks of waiting it seems very very anti- climatic to say the least.
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Cue Olsson and Mulumbu leaving... no Bundesliga talent coming in...Optimism drained.
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Actually warming to the idea, he's worked with top class players.
Yes and Liverpool did so well last season didn't they (5 more points than us and scoring 2 more goals)? But, of course, the bad things were all Dalglish's fault and the good things were entirely down to Clarke. Silly me. The same must have been true at West Ham where Clarke was unfairly sacked no doubt.
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Touch wood a kick up the backside for RR!
No offer from Belgium and WBA looking elsewhere!
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It's not as bad as people think, just remember, as has been retweeted by CL himself:
stories have been massively incorrect over the last few years. Don’t panic Baggies just wait and see! #wba"
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Yes and Liverpool did so well last season didn't they (5 more points than us and scoring 2 more goals)? But, of course, the bad things were all Dalglish's fault and the good things were entirely down to Clarke. Silly me. The same must have been true at West Ham where Clarke was unfairly sacked no doubt.
Even Brendan 'who?' Rodgers couldn't wait to boot such a great coach out of the 'Pool.
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Touch wood a kick up the backside for RR!
No offer from Belgium and WBA looking elsewhere!
Clutching at straws but im clutching at those straws with everything i have!!
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CL has said that going on betting odds, not on any knowledge, no one has said Ralf has denied us or we have left Ralf alone, RR is still in with a massive shout.
"out of the running" doesn't mean Ralf has ruled himself out, it means the bookies have raised his odds.
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If its Clarke I'm going to be gutted.
and that the biggest understatement I've said all year.
I hope Jeremy has more sense than that
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Not me - I would have been happy with Hughton who was easily within our reach. I can't believe there are so many people who will defend the Chairman come what may.
I'm just supporting the club I love. If you go through all of my posts in this thread you will see that I have said all along that no one stood out for me as a candidate so I'm happy to go with whoever we get whether that be Clarke, Roy Keane, Gareth Southgate or whoever else you want to add into the mix as no-one has actually been appointed yet.
We have been extremely lucky with Hodgson and lets not forget quite a few on here wanted him sacked at points last season.
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i still think it just could be rumour ;)
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Clutching at straws but im clutching at those straws with everything i have!!
No one seems to know what is going on in all honesty, the local press have been out of the loop as much as everyone else has so far.
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Even Brendan 'who?' Rodgers couldn't wait to boot such a great coach out of the 'Pool.
He will no doubt want his own staff in place, something that restricts us when we insist on keeping people like Appleton (until we let him go), Downing and Kiely in place.
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I still hold hope for RR, the B'ham Mail article seemed to give very little away and no proof as to whether RR has actually rejected us or not.
However, I will be utterly disgusted if we end up with someone like Clarke, not because of his abilities whatever they may be, but because we have been strung along for so long and passed up the opportunity of getting CH seemingly because we couldn't get RR sorted quick enough or wouldn't pay the compensation to Birmingham City.
I'm pretty deflated now.
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Gotta be honest, im gutted.
If SC is appointed i will back him 100% and give him a fair chance but i just cant help feeling somewhat deflated and any optimism and excitement for the new season is slowly draining. However, RR may have thought he was bigger than the club and his lack of decision might've been too much for JP?
Season Ticket already renewed so lets hope for the best. Boing Boing!
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I am afraid from what I am hearing from a Liverpool fan itk is that his removal from there today after offering his resignation before br was appointed is no coincidence Albion looking to act fast before Celtic swoop
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In a previous life Phil must have been a Spartan at the battle Thermopylae judging how he's fighting against the masses here lol. To be fair what he's saying is spot on though.
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Quote fromJose Mourinho
"This is what I think about Steve Clarke: if he had the chance to manage a club, even a big club like Chelsea, he would be ready for that. He is that good,” Mourinho has said
Could work out you never know! Someone has to take the plunge one day, if we employ him we can only support him and time will tell if he's got what it takes to not be someones number 2 and step up
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Disappointed in JP and DA who are usually so assured.
Glad I'm no longer in a position to get a season ticket.
Uninspired, cheap and frankly a pathetic appointment given the other candidates available.
Should this appointment go ahead then there will be a mass exodus of players and a few months after mocking the wolves we'll have it thrown back in our faces.
We need more than a 'coach'. There has to be a level of managerial know how. Clarke, as a number 2 so far in his career, does not have this.
Truly awful appointment if it happens.
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Will be seriously hacked off if this is true. However, nothing yet confirmed on German media sites where this would definitely be news given the headlines we've seen over the last week. Rangnick must have been seriously interested to have several interviews and visit the Arsenal match. If he wants to manage in the Prem. he shouldn't assume that a Top 6 club is going to appoint him at some stage, so maybe this was his chance to gain a foothold in the Prem. Fingers crossed there's a twist in the tail of this saga.
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Still hoping RR signs, but the way this has been dragging on doesn't exactly give you the feel RR is kicking the door in to get a chance at the Hawthorns.
Clarke to me seems just as good a candidate as Hughton, and miles and miles better than the old recycables. Remember that outside of Robson JP hasn't got it seriously wrong when picking a coach for us.
Clarke as the new man wouldn't worry me, he might be a cracking coach for us, he might not. Nobody can know until we have given him a chance, so absolutely no point in panicking before we have an idea what he wants to do. Now if we picked some old recycable like Bruce eg I'd be deeply depressed.
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If it is Clarke it will be interesting to see who he brings in as his No 2
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Not very impressed. Don't think that this would encourage any investment in our club and it certainly wont inspire Olson to stay. Lacks ambition on the Boards side. Just hanging around for whoever we can get without paying compensation.
I guess he'll be a lot cheaper than anyone else we would have had, so more money to pay for replacements for the players we're about to lose.
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Quote fromJose Mourinho
"This is what I think about Steve Clarke: if he had the chance to manage a club, even a big club like Chelsea, he would be ready for that. He is that good,” Mourinho has said
Could work out you never know! Someone has to take the plunge one day, if we employ him we can only support him and time will tell if he's got what it takes to not be someones number 2 and step up
I bet he really had a chance to manage with Mourinho's ego ! He was probably just his 'yes' man as I cannot see where Jose has taken him with him around Europe ?
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To be honest I completely understand why people would be underwhelmed by the appointment should he get the job, you are going from such an experienced manager in Hodgson to someone who has only ever been an assistant or first-team coach. With that said some of our fans wanted Hodgson to be sacked earlier in the season.
There isn't much to the actual story from the Brum Mail though, it will be interesting to see what happens in the next couple of days.
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Are we to assume Clarke would work with Downing as his no 2?
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He will no doubt want his own staff in place, something that restricts us when we insist on keeping people like Appleton (until we let him go), Downing and Kiely in place.
BUT, if Clarke was such a good coach then surely someone like Rodgers, who is so inexperienced, would do everything possible to hold on to him ?????
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If it is Clarke it will be interesting to see who he brings in as his No 2
The other coaching staff are already in place, Downing and Kiely. SC won't bring in someone else, he will have to work with what he has already got.
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I think most people are disappointed because they think we were simply were unwilling to pay the compensation for Hughton - who seems less of a risk then Clarke. I don't that is true. The compensation would have been minimal and completely within our reach as a premiership club. I believe the reason we didn't pursue him was because of the insistence of bringing his own staff with him. I don''t think we have any desire to replace our existing staff - who have served us well. I doubt very much Clarke will bring anyone with him and if he does it will most likely only be one person who may well be out of contract.
The guy has a wealth of coaching experience and like it has already been mentioned we are looking for a head coach not a manager. He seems to tick a lot of boxes - despite having never being a number one at a club. Hughton has only managed 2 and half seasons in his career.
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BUT, if Clarke was such a good coach then surely someone like Rodgers, who is so inexperienced, would do everything possible to hold on to him ?????
Depends if Clarke wanted to stay and work with Rodgers though. Do you know for sure that it was Rodgers that wanted him out?
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Are we to assume Clarke would work with Downing as his no 2?
Mouth-watering !!!!
Really does show us as a forward thinking team that players will want to join eh ?
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Another point about Clarke, seems the coaches that have worked under/studied Mourinho have had some of the magic dust stick to them (Rodgers, Newton, Pardew). Let's hope Clarke is similar, that is probably why we are giving him the chance to try how a #1 position works for him (if we do).
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I'm going to hang onto the last shred of optimism that it is RR. Maybe the club are trying to speed his decision making process up by applying pressure by looking elsewhere and releasing nuggets of information to the local journo's. Maybe their hoping this panic's Ralf into making a decision.
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The other coaching staff are already in place, Downing and Kiely. SC won't bring in someone else, he will have to work with what he has already got.
There should be room to bring someone else in. We lost Appleton and he was only replaced in the short-term by Terry Burton.
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The Baggies initially had German ex-Schalke boss Rangnick in mind for the gaffer's role.
Yet Albion maintained all along they had not offered him the job - a claim countered by Rangnick's consultant Oliver Mintzlaff.
I understand Rangnick's head was turned by the Belgian national team vacancy, which was filled by interim coach Marc Wilmots earlier this morning.
Whether that altered the dynamics of those discussions is unclear but Albion have swiftly moved onto Scotsman Clarke, whose odds have been tumbling for two days.
His head is no longer turned by the Belgian job though as its been filled. So surely would alter the dynamics in our favor now.. not against us?!
I still would only take this new rumour with a pinch of salt, as no news yet from RR or Germany is good news i suppose
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Further tweets from CL suggests he's sure and Steve madely says the same. Big profile of Clarke in tomorrows E&D.
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I must say it is fascinating seeing people's heads imploding on here. And all of it based completely on projections and unfounded speculation.
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Just wondered the other guy at liverpool kean is it? Ex west ham has he been kept on or might he come too ?
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If CL is saying he is sure, I reckon that is that. I would so have liked RR after everything I'd heard. Oh well, back to the grindstone.
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The point of my post was to show how sure the journals are. Please don't take the p mate.
No it's not aimed at you fella, it's the 'profile of Clarke bit' !
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this doesn't make sense, why has it taken 6 weeks to get sc? i'm not convinced its true. we may be on the verge of building a new spine of the team and is SC really the answer, we need to replace foster olsson mulumbu scharner andrews thomas and possibly peter. can't see this is the answer.
I'm getting a little worried for the new season.
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I have got to be fair to Steve Clarke here, he is getting a slating for not been a 'name' yet reading through this topic since it started, until 10 days ago i am pretty sure most of the posters hadnt heard off Rangnick or knew little of him, myself included.
Managers / Coaches do attract players to a certain point, but wages talk. We could have Jose Mourinho in charge but if we can only Didier Drogba £40k a week, he aint coming to join us simple as that, no matter how much he likes the manager.
Albion with the way we are setup and run dont attract the big name players, superstars, the finished article, etc we sign a lot players with a point to prove who probably need coaching and guidance and i would imagine thats why somebody like Clarke is likely to get the job as he can improve those players, Mulumbu and Olsson werent stars when they joined, they may be now but if they go there will be other players we discover who with the right coaching can become the next Mulumbu and Olsson.
After reading about him Rangnick had massive appeal but if its not to be him and it is Clarke, so be it, he has done his apprenticeship at number 2, he has earnt the right to have a crack at a top job, he was worked with some of the best players in the world on a day to day basis on the training pitch and thats what Albion seem to be looking for so why not give him the chance.
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The Lepkowski/Madeley propaganda machine is going to go into overdrive! How dare anyone question this imminent appointment.
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I think steve clarke is an brill choice get him quick as paul ince is down to 40/1 :P
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I bet he really had a chance to manage with Mourinho's ego ! He was probably just his 'yes' man as I cannot see where Jose has taken him with him around Europe ?
Well in the same article it states Clarke would have lots of ideas and oppose Mourinho with differing views etc. Read up a bit it's poor to just make up assumptions to be needlessly negative. I'm just trying to put a positive spin on things whats the point in getting down, lifes hard enough as it is!
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I have got to be fair to Steve Clarke here, he is getting a slating for not been a 'name' yet reading through this topic since it started, until 10 days ago i am pretty sure most of the posters hadnt heard off Rangnick or knew little of him, myself included.
Managers / Coaches do attract players to a certain point, but wages talk. We could have Jose Mourinho in charge but if we can only Didier Drogba £40k a week, he aint coming to join us simple as that, no matter how much he likes the manager.
Albion with the way we are setup and run dont attract the big name players, superstars, the finished article, etc we sign a lot players with a point to prove who probably need coaching and guidance and i would imagine thats why somebody like Clarke is likely to get the job as he can improve those players, Mulumbu and Olsson werent stars when they joined, they may be now but if they go there will be other players we discover who with the right coaching can become the next Mulumbu and Olsson.
After reading about him Rangnick had massive appeal but if its not to be him and it is Clarke, so be it, he has done his apprenticeship at number 2, he has earnt the right to have a crack at a top job, he was worked with some of the best players in the world on a day to day basis on the training pitch and thats what Albion seem to be looking for so why not give him the chance.
Exactly what I was thinking.
It's a risk to appoint either manager. Nonetheless, I think Steve Clarke is a slightly more interesting and safer project - he knows the premier league very well and is apparently very interactive in training sessions - good with players too.
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No it's not aimed at you fella, it's the 'profile of Clarke bit' !
Coaching wise his profile is probably much more impressive than CL champion RdM's resume was when he joined us. Since Clarke has never been a head coach none of us knows how he will perform. He might take to it like a duck to water, he might not, but nobody knows until we have seen him in action. No point in hitting the self destruct button before we have a clue how he will do.
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Odds tumbled on oddschecker, showing that Clarke is virtually certain.
A cheap option. Hughton was a risk and paid off for Newcastle, there is no guarantee that Clarke will do the same.
Looks like a yes man that Peace and Ashworth can move around.
Seriously disappointed in 6 weeks of labour brings us this.
£2m for Hughton doesnt seem to bad now!!!
10th in the league last year, and this is a step forward?
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I think steve clarke is an brill choice get him quick as paul ince is down to 40/1 :P
You joke, but if SC turns hs nose up at the 3 bags of scratchings and bottle of pop JP is offering we might well be left with someone like him.
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3 year deal at a million a year according to the sun
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4358719/Steve-Clarke-will-land-West-Brom-job.html
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CL's tweet presumably linked to comments from the club is that RR is out of the running.
This seems to continue the club's pretext that RR hasn't been offered the job when we hear to the contrary and can only be construed as worded in that way now for damage limitation and loss of face reasons.
I fear an exodus of players following.
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absolutely gutted after not having had the best night. pretty much as sealandair said it would be a few weeks back, and despite my normal optimism, im really really fearing the worst for next season now. if after 2 seasons we are coming crash back down to the fizzy pop league then it shows we need more efficiency from the board. i cant see us going upwards now, maybe its just heat of the moment but i know our neighbours at villa park and the mol will be loving this, and that is painful.
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im really not happy with this news and will start the pre season and new season on a downer with less expectation and hope than the last 2 seasons :(
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Also people slating Albions handling off the whole thing i am surprised at, we have not once in the last 6 weeks confirmed one rumour or interview so we havent a clue who was the target, until 10 days ago it was all Hughton yet turns out by all accounts we never even spoke to him, then last 10 days it was Rangnick who the news broke from his end.
If after we appoint whoever we appoint and come out with the usual he was our number 1 choice and then Ranieri says he was offered, Curbishley says he was, Rangnick says he was, then we look at idiots and its a blatant lie about the new manager been number one choice but at the moment we dont know who number 1 choice is as the club havent officially commented!
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a million a year on 3 year deal for someone who has never been manager of a team before... a very big risk :(
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if we wanted a cheap option id rather us go for someone like curbishley
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i dont see why people should be outraged, we literally have no idea what it will be like. it's just a bit "meh". could go one way could go the other, not like we have a "bad manager" if we get him, it's unkown. For me theres no reason to be optimistic/pessimistic. We'll have to wait and see. It's not inspiring but it's not as bad as Appleton/McInnes or someone like that IMO
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I'm reasonably happy, we are recruiting a 'head coach' not an old fashioned, all encompassing old school manager. Clarke is thought to be if not the best one of the best coaches working in the Prem. Makes sense to me.
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if we wanted a cheap option id rather us go for someone like curbishley
Seriously???
Now you are just being silly.
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Seriously???
Now you are just being silly.
no im not, done a great job at charlton and i wouldnt have minded him anyway
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no im not, done a great job at charlton and i wouldnt have minded him anyway
Hasn't managed in 6 years. Wouldn't fit in our system etc.
Anyway I digress if he is appointed he will get my full support. The primary attribute we are looking for in our new head coach is an excellent coaching ability and from reports I have read I would suggest he has that. Only time will tell if he succeeds or not in the meantime all we can do is support the man who's appointed.
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"But the former Schalke boss fell out of the running days ago and has been linked with the vacant Belgium job.
That cleared the way for Clarke, who has worked alongside Ruud Gullit at Newcastle, Jose Mourinho at Chelsea, Gianfranco Zola at West Ham plus Dalglish, and will now be looking for his own No 2."
Says Rangnick fell out of the running days ago and has been linked with the vacant Belgium job... but this is now filled, so maybe he will come to us and say yes.. or we will go back in for him now the Belgium job is out of his mind.
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Hasn't managed in 6 years. Wouldn't fit in our system etc.
Anyway I digress if he is appointed he will get my full support. The primary attribute we are looking for in our new head coach is an excellent coaching ability and from reports I have read I would suggest he has that. Only time will tell if he succeeds or not in the meantime all we can do is support the man who's appointed.
im not that happy with clarke ' if appointed ' but will back him 100%
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http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hibernian/205551-video-steve-clarkes-full-interview-with-friday-night-football/
30 minute video interview of Steve Clarke for anyone interested.
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Let's be honest though, if we believed EVERYTHING the news said we'd have had a manager by now as apparently we've offered the position about three times. Lepko said RR was out of the running in the first place but then he turns out to be right in the mix, then he apparently is out of the running.
I think this may be putting x and y together but we aren't shown the answer.
I don't know where to stand at the moment. I'm very confused atm and so going to bed. Hope to have some more information tomorrow
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Overall, would be happy with Clarke. Never really got the CH thing and RR was a nice pipe dream whilst it lasted. As previously mentioned, he has worked with world class players and managers and loads of exp in the prem. onwards and upwards i say.
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To me, Clarke is FAR the better appointment than all out of Poyet, Rodgers (personally hate the football), and Hughton. Of course, I perhaps would've liked Ralf Rangnick but it was always going to be a decision in the balance, that we perhaps had no hope of controlling.
Either way, nothing's been settled yet, only media stories. We'll have to see what happens.
I hope that there's still hope for Ralf Rangnick, and if not, settle for Clarke.
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Blues had a Scot, then Villa... and now its our turn lol
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Well there's not much out there if Rangnick is out the race it has to be said, very dissapointed we've missed out on him. Clarke is far from the most inspiring appointment - my concerns aren't really to do with profile, more based on the history of coaches within the premier league - Sammy Lee, Les Reed, Steve Kean, Chris Hutchings, Terry Connor... Generally the worst managers ever to manage in the league are coaches who've been overpromoted and are simply incompetent at the level of management.
I suppose the one saving grace here is that the head coach job takes some control away, but still enough of an impact (making the decisive decisions, and deciding which players to pursue) that a bad appointment can prove disastrous.
Still, the odds now suggest he's basically got the job, so we'll wait and see. Ashworth has proven good for us before and he's really gone out on a limb here. Frankly i'm surprised if we're going for someone with no managing experience that Appleton wasn't given the job. At least he know's the club.
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Let's be honest though, if we believed EVERYTHING the news said we'd have had a manager by now as apparently we've offered the position about three times. Lepko said RR was out of the running in the first place but then he turns out to be right in the mix, then he apparently is out of the running.
I think this may be putting x and y together but we aren't shown the answer.
I don't know where to stand at the moment. I'm very confused atm and so going to bed. Hope to have some more information tomorrow
Agree, this whole managerial media speculation has just about gone beyond a farce, i was very very happy with the idea of RR and was singing JP and DA praises, however now thats been thrown up in the air now, im just completely fed up now, bed is the only option.
By the time i wake SC will probably managing norwich and or blues or who knows, the way its going at the moment
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To be fair, having just done a little bit of reading and watching the video that was posted, I have probably been a bit hasty with the jokes (which were delivered in frustration re: RR more than disappointment with SC). If it is Steve Clarke, he will get my backing (as would anyone else).
Good night all. See you on the rollercoaster tomorrow! :-*
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suppose all we can do now, is keep quiet and give JP and DA our backing that they will do the best for our club. I think that is the last i will say on this topic, im done with it!
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Im not convinced about this the guy, he will have my backing but if he was that good he would have surely been offered a 'head coach position' now, the track record of coaches working as the main guy isn't great the only one that I can think that has worked has been Hughton. I'm not entirely convinced the club has taken the best stance by keeping everyone out of the loop and there has been radio silence. I dont think we should have blabbed about it like our dear neighbors but a nugget of information would have been appreciated especially considering iv just spent £500 watching the team next season and this appointment doesn't exactly fill me with great excitement.
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Done some reading and watched that video Clarke definitely isnt as terrible an appointment as some think, it'sall doom and gloom here. Sounds like he's difinitely a good coach and gets my backing. I am gutted its not RR and deflated about that but SC isnt a disaster but certainly a gamble.
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If it is Clarke it will be interesting to see who he brings in as his No 2
He won´t need one being as most of the posters consider him sh*t anyway, since the rumour started. Not that I care, as I voted for him from the start. The downside is my interest in learning German has just gone down the bog. :D
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http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/02/04/2336725/there-are-not-many-footballers-who-dont-like-working-with
Few interesting quotes about Clarke:
“He likes to be at the heart of things when it comes to organising sessions. At West Ham, he would be in first thing in the morning planning out his sessions and would know what the team needed to do to improve.
“The manager and him will work together but he will control the session. He is the head coach."
"Clarke is able to get footballers playing to their maximum potential"
“Most of the players I know loved his sessions. He likes to play the ball on the ground with quick passing and play at a high tempo."
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Blimey, this is risky, I'll back him but I'm nervous. The proposed pay is a bit ridiculous considering he's never managed before. I've never managed before. The worst thing about the Sun article was seeing 'Mulumbu wants out' splashed across the article.
Here's to a nerve-racking off season, and a farewell to our German friends.
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Blimey, this is risky, I'll back him but I'm nervous. The proposed pay is a bit ridiculous considering he's never managed before. I've never managed before. The worst thing about the Sun article was seeing 'Mulumbu wants out' splashed across the article.
Here's to a nerve-racking off season, and a farewell to our German friends.
In fairness I doubt that Sun article is particularly trustworthy, I seriously doubt we'd give him a 3 year deal. It'll probably be a 12 month rolling contract as always - the only reason Hodgson's wasn't was due to him wanting to be available for England.
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Further tweets from CL suggests he's sure and Steve madely says the same. Big profile of Clarke in tomorrows E&D.
The same E&D that said yesterday that Clarke had been sounded out of the process?
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Oddly mcinness has come from nOwhere to 3rd favourite ahead of Appleton but seems it'll be Clarke
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CL's tweet is no co-incidence. The club had reportedly given RR until Wednesday to make a decision and his agent stated that a decision would be made by the end of the week. Either the club lost patience and were not prepared to consider any longer or RR gave his definite answer yesterday of no.
I believe that the club will be economical with the truth when announced. Just waiting now for the official unveiling of Clarke (if confirmed) with the usual words spouted out of "we are delighted" and with added comments of him being the club's main target when we know virtually for a fact that he wasn't.
Is there still hope of a further twist involving RR unlikely as it seems now?
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CL's tweet is no co-incidence. The club had reportedly given RR until Wednesday to make a decision and his agent stated that a decision would be made by the end of the week. Either the club lost patience and were not prepared to consider any longer or RR gave his definite answer yesterday of no.
I thought for a minute you were going to suggest that the Club has asked CL to put out this "Story" to force RR hand.
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very very worried now, players wanting out, seems a rookie manager will take over, and plus we will be playing with pretty much the same crop of players for a 3rd year running..... here's to a year of struggle (I knew it was too good to be true)
Call me negative but I'm saying it here first, we are in trouble
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I'm saying it here first, we are in trouble
We are not in any Trouble until we actually appoint a new Head Coach.....
but I understand and agree with your sentiment :(
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I have 2 season tickets which cost over £5000 and my gut feeling is to say why bother, 6 weeks and the best we can bring to the club is SC? But the fact is I've been an Albion supporter and watching them since 1955 and I know I'll be in my seat at the first home game, just feel the fans have been let down. Hope they prove me wrong.
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so typical Albion, get your hopes up...... and all that
It was all too good to be true, next year will be back to normal, loosing to the villa and all that
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we had a chance to appoint a top boss here, 10th perm side, good stable board, good reputation for playing football, great fans and history, and they turn to a bloody coach , if we get him it will almost be a terry connor job I feel
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As if to take the proverbial just that little bit more, AVB just got named new Albion boss on my FM save file.
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There are couple of points I would like to make firstly this appointment and the process surrounding it does not make this club a laughing stock. It has been through and professionally conducted during a part of the year where there is no real urgency to appoint a coach (in case nobody noticed the players are either at the Euro's or on holiday so there is no bugger to coach at the moment).
Secondly we tried to land Rangnick and failed well nobody could accuse of aiming low there. He is one of the top coaches in Germany and if he didn't fancy coming to the Albion it is because he figures there might be a better opportunity just around the corner. In his case he might be right (Spurs perhaps??).
If as it seems likely according press reports that we appoint Steve Clarke then it is because the board think he is the best man for the job from the available pool. On football matters I am prepared to back Dan Ashworth's judgement over any poster on this forum.
Clarke has an excellent reputation as a Coach he is not an old style gaffer and will fit with the way the club is run. The teams he has coached have generally played attractive passing football. We don't how he will do as a Head Coach and there are more experienced options out there (Mick McCarthy Steve Bruce and Alan Curbishley) but to assume he cannot do the job is just plain wrong.
With regard to players coming or going Clarke has an excellent reputation in the game. Even Simon Cox might have heard of him which is more than you could say for Rangnick or maybe that is indicative of how little attention players pay to who the man in charge is. The bottom line is that players are really only concerned about one maybe two things money and whether or not the coach picks them. If who the coach is mattered then players would tend to follow coaches from club to club which is not the case by and large. Money talks in football and whoever the coach is there is no more money available to pay wages so in really it makes no difference aside from the fact that we did not waste any resources on paying compensation for a manager currently in employment.
If reports are true that Clarke will be earning a £1m a year at the Hawthorns we have indeed got ourselves a bargain because I believe that he was being paid £1.6m a year at West Ham so cheap no, competent maybe.
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There are couple of points I would like to make firstly this appointment and the process surrounding it does not make this club a laughing stock. It has been through and professionally conducted during a part of the year where there is no real urgency to appoint a coach (in case nobody noticed the players are either at the Euro's or on holiday so there is no bugger to coach at the moment).
Secondly we tried to land Rangnick and failed well nobody could accuse of aiming low there. He is one of the top coaches in Germany and if he didn't fancy coming to the Albion it is because he figures there might be a better opportunity just around the corner. In his case he might be right (Spurs perhaps??).
If as it seems likely according press reports that we appoint Steve Clarke then it is because the board think he is the best man for the job from the available pool. On football matters I am prepared to back Dan Ashworth's judgement over any poster on this forum.
Clarke has an excellent reputation as a Coach he is not an old style gaffer and will fit with the way the club is run. The teams he has coached have generally played attractive passing football. We don't how he will do as a Head Coach and there are more experienced options out there (Mick McCarthy Steve Bruce and Alan Curbishley) but to assume he cannot do the job is just plain wrong.
With regard to players coming or going Clarke has an excellent reputation in the game. Even Simon Cox might have heard of him which is more than you could say for Rangnick or maybe that is indicative of how little attention players pay to who the man in charge is. The bottom line is that players are really only concerned about one maybe two things money and whether or not the coach picks them. If who the coach is mattered then players would tend to follow coaches from club to club which is not the case by and large. Money talks in football and whoever the coach is there is no more money available to pay wages so in really it makes no difference aside from the fact that we did not waste any resources on paying compensation for a manager currently in employment.
If reports are true that Clarke will be earning a £1m a year at the Hawthorns we have indeed got ourselves a bargain because I believe that he was being paid £1.6m a year at West Ham so cheap no, competent maybe.
Standaman you make some very interesting and valid points. Perhaps one of the reasons why many people on this forum, myself included, are rather hesitant to welcome the appointment is that whilst we have heard of Clarke and seen his face on the box he isn't someone who has appeared regularly in television interviews. Once he starts appearing in front of the cameras then I am sure that we will warm to him. Like Brendan Rogers Clarke is one of the 'Special One's' Chelsea lieutenants. Up until about 18 months or so ago when he joined Swansea not many people had heard of Brendan Rogers. Now, according to many, he is the best thing since sliced bread. I am hoping that in 18 months time we will be singing the praises of Clarke in the same way.
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We, as supporters, must back JP and DA's judgment whoever they appoint. They have the best interest of the club at heart. Players do not. If Mulumbu and Olsson want away then let them go, there will be many happy to replace them, and I trust DA on his past record to find them. There have been many names mentioned as potential managers for the club, and most of them have a history of previous failure. I would be amazed if RH has not been party to any shortlist of candidates that have been considered for the job. If the choice is SC then so-be-it, and PLEASE ..... do me a favour lets not be concerned about what the Dingles and Vile think ............... Feck em.
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CL has said that going on betting odds, not on any knowledge, no one has said Ralf has denied us or we have left Ralf alone, RR is still in with a massive shout.
"out of the running" doesn't mean Ralf has ruled himself out, it means the bookies have raised his odds.
Pardon me but to me it means, he's out of the running! Gone/History/Crashed and Burnt.
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i'm a peace and DA fan and generally quite happy with the running of the club but if we have just waited 6 weeks for Hodgson to be replaced by Clarke then i am seriously underwhelmed.
I will give him my backing 100% but, well i'm speechless.
All this talk of RR, Ranieri, AVB (true or not) and we finally get our man - Steve Clarke.
trawled through all the responses on getting up and hearing the news and this is it for me.
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Gutted. Don't get me wrong, il back him. But I think that's relegation a dead cert next season.
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Based on what?
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Quite underwhelming really
He might be a good choice, time will tell.
As soon as he resigned from Liverpool you knew he was coming to Albion.
To be fair, I don't think it will effect the players attitudes too much, most are swayed by the pound signs. Olsson will go regardless, Peter always wants out, mulumbu thinks he's a world-beater, so from that point of view it's fairly academic.
The only problem may be attracting players to the club.
It strikes me that Clarke may have always been in line, but conveniently gets publicised once season tickets ave been sold, or I may be being cynical.
I'll support regardless, and let's be honest, anyone without a proven record is a risk, but like I said, very underwhelmed by it.
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I am surprised by some of the negative comments here about SC and I urge you to do some reading about him as at the moment some just don't appreciate how good he is.
I see a bright future with Mr Clarke
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I am surprised by some of the negative comments here about SC and I urge you to do some reading about him as at the moment some just don't appreciate how good he is.
I see a bright future with Mr Clarke
Only first team coaching experience? Sorry but this smacks of desperation because we have no one else lined up. Puts DA "short list of candidates' to Shame. I will back Clarke but not very optimistic about it. I fail to see the big hype around him in all honesty.
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Well, I have been working from home all week, checking out this thread about every half hour, composing posts and then not bothering to send them as it was pretty obvious no-one really had a clue what was going on (so I wasn't actually working much tbh ;))
If it's Clarke as now seems also certain, I think that could be very interesting, some hotshot continental was always going to be unlikely given our current status - we're not really established, no sugar daddy etc.
He was a good solid player, he's done his time coaching, seems well respected, and if he's a bit dour, so what? So's Fergie, so's Moyes, and after all that forced Jubilee Joy, dour sounds OK to me. What do we want, Ken Dodd??
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Only first team coaching experience? Sorry but this smacks of desperation because we have no one else lined up. Puts DA "short list of candidates' to Shame. I will back Clarke but not very optimistic about it. I fail to see the big hype around him in all honesty.
The fing is that EPL managers don't come out of the womb. Mourinho started his career as an interpreter and has never kicked a ball. I expect you would have concerns about him too if he had never acted as manager.
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West Brom are NOT the club to protest about their manager(unlike Wolves, Blackburn or Chelsea). I completely agree with Standaman and Aiexlsyd- Well Said. JP and DA have got the last FOUR or even FIVE appointments right, although the person on here who was 'glad' to get rid of Hodgson' would beg to differ. It's sad though that papers like the Daily Mail (online) are following and trusting what the bookies say. And most of what the bookies say comes off here so effectively the Daily Mail are trusting our 'reliable sources' that most of the time aren't that reliable. I know he's left Liverpool but it doesn't mean he WILL come here as No.1. It could mean that he goes to Norwich or Swansea or here as a No. 2. In all, I think Steve Clarke would be an interesting appointment for us. To most people on here he is the underdog of managers in the PL so if he does well and gets us up to 10th then it's well worth it. But I am annoyed that it took us six weeks to come to this conclusion or any conclusion.
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I just don't see how a bloke like Clarke can be a step upwards from Roy and our last season finish. It's down hill if anything. This won't stop me going to games anyway due to season ticket purchase! Let's just hope this guy proves me wrong, but I don't think he will.
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I just don't see how a bloke like Clarke can be a step upwards from Roy and our last season finish. It's down hill if anything. This won't stop me going to games anyway due to season ticket purchase! Let's just hope this guy proves me wrong, but I don't think he will.
If your expectation is somebody better than Roy then you are bound to be disappointed whoever gets appointed.
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If your expectation is somebody better than Roy then you are bound to be disappointed whoever gets appointed.
Am I really? Ranieri? AVB? Rangnick? And we end up with plan F. Even hughton, who I don't rate, is better than him.
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Total shock and dismay >:( a cheap number 2 never managed and done feck all.Sacked by xmas because we are bottom of the league. utterly and totally underwhelmed.What a load of tosh.Go prove me wrong tight wad
Exactly. if Jose loved him so much he would have snapped him up long before now
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I have said it time and time again, we are due a bad appointment and this will be it. JP & DA can't get it right every time.
If Jose loves Clarke so much why is he not on his coaching team at Real or why did he not take him to Inter? Surely if he is that good he could adapt to various leagues.
I'm more underwhelmed now that when Robson was appointed.
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God can people please calm down. Deep Breathing...... and in..... and out. I'm not going to worry you with the odds but read my last post. Calm and Reassuring.
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Are people ignoring the fact that Clarke has been coaching in and around the premiership longer than Hodgson and Hughton combined?
People, including me, were happy with Hughton who has a total of 6 months expirience as a manager in the prem but years as a number two.......not much difference really.
Hodgsons strong point was on the training pitch, Steve Clarkes strong point is no different.
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While Clarke could be a gem of an appointment and turn out to be a masterstroke, hiring someone with some question marks over them and who the fans are unsure of can be a bit of a dangerous game to play. Imagine if we played like we had sometimes at home last season under an inexperienced manager. We'd get a lot of fans saying he didn't know what he was doing and that he wasn't capable, whilst the same criticisms weren't leveled at Hodgson, as he had a proven record.
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I must be the only one who's actually pleased with this appointment!
Very good reputation within the game - for me Rangnick was a bigger gamble, no EPL experience and to be honest he never actually seemed like he wanted to come here.
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Gobsmacked and deflated.I will give him 12 games
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The other coaching staff are already in place, Downing and Kiely. SC won't bring in someone else, he will have to work with what he has already got.
For his backroom staff not to be his choice would be completely and utterly wrong. Our keepers seemed to be going backwards rather than forwards prior to Fosters's arrival (and he brought his abilities with him), whilst Downing has only been a first team coach for a short period of time and remains unproven.
Having slept on it, I don't feel any better about it being Clarke (if that's who it turns out to be). Hughton has more proven experience and the only reason he isn't here is because the Chairman is a cheapskate. We'll probably never know what happened with Rangnick, but I'd love to find out.
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Im prepared to give Clarke a chance if he gets the job. The guy has been coaching in the premiership for years so knows what it's all about - that expirience will stand him in good stead. He was also the highest paid assistant manager in the UK at one point.
Lest we forget, Hughton was a strong favourite to get the job amongst fans yet only has six months expirience as a premiership manager yet years behind him as a coach which has stood him in good stead.
The Brian Kidds of this world failled because they couldn't deal with the more intricate things like transfers and negotiation - this isn't a problem here as the support structure is in place.
Whilst not a big name so to speak i can see why he's in the running. We are looking for stability and he would ensure that the training regime Hodgson based his success on is continued, if you remember Mourinhio's Chelsea coached by Clarke it was disciplined and hard to beat, very similar to Roy's style.
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Let us not forget that JP appointed Mowbray based on a small spell in charge of Hibs and RDM after just one season managing in League 1. I'm not excited by this appointment but he must have impressed in the interview(s) and we must remember we are appointing a head coach not a manager.
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Have been away since Friday so havent been able to keep up with the board and just read through a good 20+ pages to catch up.
Wouldnt be impressed with Clarke as its a gamble in terms of no management experience but he has worked as a asssistant for a LONG time.
That said, id be underwhelmed in regards to some of the names we have been linked with, the Ranieri's the Ragnicks etc etc.
Id give him my support but hell be starting the job already facing an up hill battle to win some of the fans over.
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Same dour boring football at home i suspect
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Same dour boring football at home i suspect
The same dour football that brought us our joint most successful season in 25 years+
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Now i know why our superstar players want out
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Now i know why our superstar players want out
Are you going to put anything behind your posts or just keep spouting negative one liners?
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Like Brendan Rogers Clarke is one of the 'Special One's' Chelsea lieutenants. Up until about 18 months or so ago when he joined Swansea not many people had heard of Brendan Rogers. Now, according to many, he is the best thing since sliced bread. I am hoping that in 18 months time we will be singing the praises of Clarke in the same way.
Rodgers not wanting to keep him at Liverpool is interesting then.
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The same dour football that brought us our joint most successful season in 25 years+
I can put up with dour football for a season or 2 but to bring in someone who has never man managed to play it. Like i say i will give it to Novemebr before the serious hounds come out
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Rodgers not wanting to keep him at Liverpool is interesting then.
Im not sure if that is a fact to be honest, he resigned when Dalglish got sacked out of loyalty to his old boss but this was rejected - the fact a manager was installed may of opened the door for him to leave like he wished.
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We, as supporters, must back JP and DA's judgment whoever they appoint.
There seem to be so many people who think fans should roll over and have their tummies tickled by the Chairman no matter what he does. Things which are less than optimal should always be questioned and criticised if necessary.
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I can't see us keeping Olsson, mulumbu or PO now. Oh well. Onwards and upwards ay! ;-)
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I can put up with dour football for a season or 2 but to bring in someone who has never man managed to play it. Like i say i will give it to Novemebr before the serious hounds come out
So even if we are doing well people are going to cry like little babies if they are not getting what they deem as "good football"??
Explains Megson getting booed when we beat the eventual champions Norwich 1-0........
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I can't see us keeping Olsson, mulumbu or PO now. Oh well. Onwards and upwards ay! ;-)
Another sweeping negative statement with no substance whatsoever.
There is nothing remotely reliable linking either PO or YM to a move anywhere - its paper/internet trash talk. Regarding Olsson, he wants to leave at the end of the season regardless.
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As soon as he resigned from Liverpool you knew he was coming to Albion.
Has he resigned or has he been let go because Rodgers doesn't want to keep him?
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Has he resigned or has he been let go because Rodgers doesn't want to keep him?
He resigned when Dalglish went out of loyalty but was told to wait.....
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I'm frankly embarrassed reading some of the comments on here, some of you sound like Dingles.
I'm actually quite happy with Clarke, he is a top coach, has worked with and can handle some 'big name' footballers (and the ego's that go with them), he will have also learnt much from a manager like Mourinho and also likes to play football the right way.
Think this appointment could be an absolute master stroke.
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He was also the highest paid assistant manager in the UK at one point.
Presumably because Chelsea pay stupid wages to everyone?
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I'm frankly embarrassed reading some of the comments on here, some of you sound like Dingles.
I'm actually quite happy with Clarke, he is a top coach, has worked with and can handle some 'big name' footballers (and the ego's that go with them), he will have also learnt much from a manager like Mourinho and also likes to play football the right way.
Think this appointment could be an absolute master stroke.
Finally some sanity........Good post but you are wasting your time - some have made their minds up because their ego's are not being stroked by a percieved "big name".
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Well said. We have been spoilt by having a head coach in charge of the calibre of Roy Hodgson. I Am underwhelmed with the news but the guy will have my backing 100 percent.
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Not my first choice by a country mile, but i'll support him even so. He will need everyones support and i expect every Albion fan to give him a fair chance, the guy deserves a chance!!!
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Presumably because Chelsea pay stupid wages to everyone?
It was at West Ham.
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Another sweeping negative statement with no substance whatsoever.
There is nothing remotely reliable linking either PO or YM to a move anywhere - its paper/internet trash talk. Regarding Olsson, he wants to leave at the end of the season regardless.
I'm sorry, didnt realise this was a positive talking forum only :P . I'm giving my opinion, which is what forums are for. Just merely stating that we might of had a chance in keeping them IF we got an experience HEAD coach. Not an inexperienced FIRST team coach.
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I'm frankly embarrassed reading some of the comments on here, some of you sound like Dingles.
I'm actually quite happy with Clarke, he is a top coach, has worked with and can handle some 'big name' footballers (and the ego's that go with them), he will have also learnt much from a manager like Mourinho and also likes to play football the right way.
Think this appointment could be an absolute master stroke.
I agree out of some of the names mentioned at the start he isnt that bad, No expierence, every manager has to start out somewhere, He has worked under some excellent managers with a lot of good high profile players, I think this could work out alright, us fans just need to give him time ( like half a season) I feel for him if we lose our first two games
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I'm frankly embarrassed reading some of the comments on here, some of you sound like Dingles.
I'm actually quite happy with Clarke, he is a top coach, has worked with and can handle some 'big name' footballers (and the ego's that go with them), he will have also learnt much from a manager like Mourinho and also likes to play football the right way.
Think this appointment could be an absolute master stroke.
So what has he done to be awarded the tag of top coach then in your opinion.Most of the teams hes been involved with have struggled. If he was a top coach he would most likely be in spain with his special one
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It was at West Ham.
Ah right, my bad. They sacked him in the end of course ("mutual consent" is invariably a euphemism for being sacked).
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Now i know why our superstar players want out
So our better players want our because they dont want to work with someone who has coached some of the best players in the World.
Just doesnt make sense really.
Its true I am disapointed that we seem to have not been able to get Rangnick but if his heart fully wasnt in it then just like the players above its thanks but no thanks.
Our system means in general we dont need a manager we need a tracksuit coach, Hodgson was this and so is Clarke but not with the same man management experience.
Its a risk no doubt but one you have to put the faith in DA and JP as they rarely get appointments wrong.
I just worry with comments like 'ill only give him so many games etc.' that our fans will hound a bloke out before he gets near the job.
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This general response is incredible!
People are making Steve Clarke out to be some novice that has never been involved in the game?! Whilst I understand the concern with him having never been a 'Head Coach' / Manager, the man has masses of experience within the Premier League and is highly rated by many - including Mourinho. He has more experience than most of the 'preferred' candidates from this board - give the bloke a chance FFS. >:(
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So what has he done to be awarded the tag of top coach then in your opinion.Most of the teams hes been involved with have struggled.
Liverpool were abysmal last season for a club of their stature. Had it been anyone else than Dalglish at the helm, whoever it was would have been lynched.
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I'm sorry, didnt realise this was a positive talking forum only :P . I'm giving my opinion, which is what forums are for. Just merely stating that we might of had a chance in keeping them IF we got an experience HEAD coach. Not an inexperienced FIRST team coach.
Based on rubbish internet rumours that two players might want to leave, both of which have been quashed.
Be negative if you want, but at least base it on something.
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I just hope if he doesn't get off to a good start some of our fans will go down the blackburn route with the steve kean trouble we need to all get behind the guy
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Ah right, my bad. They sacked him in the end of course ("mutual consent" is invariably a euphemism for being sacked).
Yep and the season after he and Zola finished in a comfortable position yet left West Ham went down.
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Am I overwhelmed? No. Am I optimistic? Yes.
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So what has he done to be awarded the tag of top coach then in your opinion.Most of the teams hes been involved with have struggled. If he was a top coach he would most likely be in spain with his special one
Chelsea, struggled?
Liverpool had a poor season last year, but anyone who watched them will note that they looked organised, well drilled and played their best football in years. Their failings were down to poor finishing and spending too much on average players. Ill add that their two centre backs improved massively by the way, Skertl in particular has come on leaps and bounds.
I'll give you West Ham but things were pretty rotten behind the scenes when he was there.
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im also sorry to sound negative , i think we all got carried away with ourselves,back to reality and depression .it was good while it lasted.lets hope we can get ron wylie as his number 2
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Chelsea, struggled?
Liverpool had a poor season last year, but anyone who watched them will note that they looked organised, well drilled and played their best football in years. Their failings were down to poor finishing and spending too much on average players. Ill add that their two centre backs improved massively by the way, Skertl in particular has come on leaps and bounds.
I'll give you West Ham but things were pretty rotten behind the scenes when he was there.
As i said previously, he will bring continuity in the similar way to Hodgson that he coaches and sets up which is exactly what we need.
His main problem, which is evident here, is that his name doesn't massage a football fans ego.
Im astounded that people are writing off an expirienced coach yet advcate the appointment of Holloway in a role he has never worked in before and would quite frankly be unable to.
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Until it is announced on www.wba.co.uk, it has not happened yet.
What you guys really need to consider is that he is coming in as Head Coach. And as he is undoubtly a brilliant coach, who has coached under fine managers and with world class players, he can bring a wealth of knowledge to our team, especially to the youngsters like Thorne/Woods etc.
We still have Ashworth running most of the show, who is the backbone of the club.
I for one think IF (and it is 'if', nobody here is best buds with JP now) we hire Clarke, I for one believe he will maintain the mid table level we have at the moment, and as a youthful 26 year old fan of the Albion, this is the best level of football I have seen, and want to continue to see.
Ashworth controls the signings, so we will not change our methods of signing players. Signing Clarke also will not hinder our chances to sign players. If Olsson/Mulumbu/Odemwingie go, im sure Ashworth has his phone ready to sign 3 players of equal potential.
Stay caly my fellow Baggies, wear the stripes with pride and relax
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Now i know why our superstar players want out
;D Legends in their own lunch time.
Let them go, on our terms.
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As a coach he has won
FA Cup, League Cup (Twice), Premier League (Twice)
League Finishes as Coach - 13, 1, 1, 2, 2, 9, 17, 6, 8
Good record if you ask me
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Until it is announced on www.wba.co.uk, it has not happened yet.
What you guys really need to consider is that he is coming in as Head Coach. And as he is undoubtly a brilliant coach, who has coached under fine managers and with world class players, he can bring a wealth of knowledge to our team, especially to the youngsters like Thorne/Woods etc.
We still have Ashworth running most of the show, who is the backbone of the club.
I for one think IF (and it is 'if', nobody here is best buds with JP now) we hire Clarke, I for one believe he will maintain the mid table level we have at the moment, and as a youthful 26 year old fan of the Albion, this is the best level of football I have seen, and want to continue to see.
Ashworth controls the signings, so we will not change our methods of signing players. Signing Clarke also will not hinder our chances to sign players. If Olsson/Mulumbu/Odemwingie go, im sure Ashworth has his phone ready to sign 3 players of equal potential.
Stay caly my fellow Baggies, wear the stripes with pride and relax
Yet another great post - balance and reason.
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If he was a top coach he would most likely be in spain with his special one
Do you know for sure Jose didn't want to take him or could it possibly be that Clarke has never wanted to uproot his family and take them abroad, it isn't as simple as you would have people believe.
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While he is not the glamour appointment we would of wanted, the board have done more than enough to earn my trust. The structure we have is the manger at west brom is little more than a coach; scouting, buying decisions are made by DA, he can't even bring in his own back room staff. IMO this is why Chris Hughton was ruled out as well as the compensation level.
Thanks Dudley lad for his credentials I could not find them any where, I doubt we could of found a more decorated coach/manager for the job.
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Just reading through some posts, thanks for reminding me why I try and stay away from the forum. So so so negative!!!
BAGGIESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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Just reading through some posts, thanks for reminding me why I try and stay away from the forum. So so so negative!!!
BAGGIESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Stay away? its the best comedy on earth
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Until it is announced on www.wba.co.uk, it has not happened yet.
What you guys really need to consider is that he is coming in as Head Coach. And as he is undoubtly a brilliant coach, who has coached under fine managers and with world class players, he can bring a wealth of knowledge to our team, especially to the youngsters like Thorne/Woods etc.
We still have Ashworth running most of the show, who is the backbone of the club.
I for one think IF (and it is 'if', nobody here is best buds with JP now) we hire Clarke, I for one believe he will maintain the mid table level we have at the moment, and as a youthful 26 year old fan of the Albion, this is the best level of football I have seen, and want to continue to see.
Ashworth controls the signings, so we will not change our methods of signing players. Signing Clarke also will not hinder our chances to sign players. If Olsson/Mulumbu/Odemwingie go, im sure Ashworth has his phone ready to sign 3 players of equal potential.
Stay caly my fellow Baggies, wear the stripes with pride and relax
Judging by the pantomime that has been the last month i doubt whether we have 3 suitable replacements lined up unless it is Groucho,harpo and Gummo!!!
That said Clarke is no bad choice IMO,his style comes across as as near to Hodgson as you are likely to get.I am just annoyed and flabbergasted that despite all the posturing and spin froom the club how prepared they are and have all bases covered for such times as these it has taken so long and now seems so hurried to appoint somebody that i would imagine was available as soon as Dogleash was sacked >:(
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Am I overwhelmed? No. Am I optimistic? Yes.
That describes my feeling about this possible appointment pretty well.
If you look at the way we do things I am very intrigued by the potential of Clarke to finally get the chance to shake off his assistant manager/first team coach tag. Only thing going against him for me is lack of experience in the number 1 role. I just hope people give him a fair chance should he be appointed but I get the feeling many will just be waiting for a run of two or three defeats to complain about him.
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Steve Clarke is a top notch coach. Last season with Liverpool they played some marvelous stuff while being pretty tight at the back. They simply couldnt finish off a reasonable percentage of the huge amount of chances they created.
My only concern is does he have the tactical knowledge in order to influence games?
I think it would be a good appointment. He must be hungry to be given the chance to be number 1. I say give him a chance.
Oh and I mentioned Steve Clarke back on page 59. ;D
Mr Ashworth - give me a call if you need any further help. ;) :D
Any thoughts on Steve Clarke?
Probably going to be surplus at
Liverpool now.
An excellent coach by all accounts.
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From Ralf to Steve, from a BMW to a Skoda, from Caviar to Tuna.I totally understand some are deflated but we should all unite behind whoever becomes head coach.I dont want to sit in atmospheres like the season before last, not pleasant.I just hope if it is Steve Clarke he gets a kind fixture list
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Just a few points, people saying why has Mourinho never took Clarke elsewhere, it may be to do with the fact he has since managed in Italy and Spain, i Clarke is an Engish/Scottish coach, its a completely different game plus i have no idea whether he speaks the lingo, i bet if Jose came back here he would want him.
Also when Mourinho first joined Chelsea the first thing he did was make Clarke his assistant, now love him or hate him Jose seems to know what he was doing, i would imagine with the budgets Chelsea had available they could of picked pretty much any number2 they wanted but they chose Clarke, he stayed for years in what was Chelseas most succesful team, he doesnt get all the credit but played a big part.
I think the first things Zola and Dalglish did at West Ham and Liverpool was get Clarke in, now i have moaned about Liverpool on here a few times but there is no doubting King Kenny would of gone with people he trusted when he went back, so the fact he turns to Clarke says a lot.
As for Rodgers not keeping him, nobody knows the ins and outs but i would guess that Rodgers himself is a manager and a great coach, he has taken his entire Swansea backroom team so where would Clarke fit in as he doesnt need him. Rodgers will want to make his own mark on the team and by removing any exisiting links to Dalglish he is doing that, i think Clare leaving is not a reflection of his ability, just somebody new wanting to do their own thing.
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wow 180 pages, and to be fair i've read them all but first time i have commented,
couple of points, yes i am underwhelmed but will get my 100% backing as i am an
ALBION fan,
I think it was worcs who said sarcastically about Rodgers not wanting him in his coaching staff if he is that good well he as taken HIS own staff with him as most people do so that kind of answers that one,
none of us will know who we actually wanted and i have no doubt if it is Clarke he may well not have been first choice but he definately was one we spoke to in the due diligence so for all we know could certainly have been one in the frame
nothing as come out the club because we do our business properly (whether that's good or bad that we fans never hear anything is another debate) but that's how we do it,
and lastly we have no idea how he will do but we are ALBION and he deserves our backing whether we like it or not and he will get mine because managers come and go but us fans don't we SUPPORT the TEAM
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Another point...
Some of you on here were defending RR, saying that he is stalling on the decision to join us based on uprooting his family from his home country to here. Maybe the reason why Clarke never went is because he ALSO was placed in the same predicament, and did not want to uproot his family to a different country
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when you look at some of the coaches available like laudrup,rogers,lambert and rangrick then appointing clarke will make me feel underwhelmed and smack of being the cheap option if we liked hughton but wouldnt pay the compo. however im sure he as good connections and will back him but i do feel this is a big mistake. did we receive any compo from the fa for roy?? i know he only had months left on his contract but im sure our palms would have been greased in some way!!
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I can only echo what Monkey Nuts just said.
Come on Albion fans! We aren't the vile - we don't alienate our managers. Let's have some faith in what is a very experienced and well thought of coach!
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Regarding timing of this, Clarke may well of been more in the running than we thought over the last six weeks, by all accounts he resigned three weeks ago when Dalglish went so that would of alerted Albion then, no coincidence it was only officially confirmed yesterday he had left Liverpool and by the end of the day we were supposedly in, i would shocked if within the few hours of him leaving Liverpool to last nights news that we spoke to him for the first time, i would imagine we spoke to him when it became clear he was leaving Liverpool and then when confirmed yesterday we made our move, Albion dont make decisions in a few hours!
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From Ralf to Steve, from a BMW to a Skoda, from Caviar to Tuna.I totally understand some are deflated but we should all unite behind whoever becomes head coach.I dont want to sit in atmospheres like the season before last, not pleasant.I just hope if it is Steve Clarke he gets a kind fixture list
Caviar most overrated and overpriced food in the world no wonder Jp shied away!! ;D
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I'm a little confused as to why there is no official comment from RR's agent saying that he's said no to us. He was quick enough to quote that he'd been offered it so surely he'd want to strike first to avoid the WBA spin machine saying SC was always our first choice.
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I still believe Hughton is the first choice but we aren't prepared to stump up the cash. Clarke for all his coaching experience would be a huge gamble and certainly the cheap option.
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Interesting that Clarke has more game experience than Ragnick, has won more as part of a coaching set up than Ragnick and probably has more of a reputation in the game than Ragnick, yet this appointment would be seen as disastorous.
Hes not my first choice, but should he get the job then im in the 'Steve Clarkes Barmy Army'.
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I agree with that actually Spike, the way Albion are it still wouldnt surprise me that its Albion playing smokescreens, release to the press that we have somebody lined up so basically forcing things Ralfs end either way, if he wants to work in England i would say we are his best bet unless something happens at Spurs.
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It is all speculation until it is announced on the official site
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It is all speculation until it is announced on the official site
I do hope its just speculation because i am gutted tired confused depressed and drained but he will get my full support
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when you look at some of the coaches available like laudrup,rogers,lambert and rangrick then appointing clarke will make me feel underwhelmed and smack of being the cheap option if we liked hughton but wouldnt pay the compo. however im sure he as good connections and will back him but i do feel this is a big mistake. did we receive any compo from the fa for roy?? i know he only had months left on his contract but im sure our palms would have been greased in some way!!
I'm sure that Clarke hand his notice in when dog leash left Liverpool, but it was refused. The only reason we have spoken to him for free/small fee is because typical JP. He gets a well respected manager/coach for nothing through sheer opportunism that Rodgers has bought in his own back room staff to Liverpool.
I have seen some where possibly the sun that he is on a million pound plus a season with us. Not really the cheap option when we could of bought from the lower leagues.
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Im gutted...not because we are appointing him but i put £70 on 6/7 different managers and not one of them was Steve Clarke!!
Note to self: never listen to rumours they cost you money!!!
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Im gutted...not because we are appointing him but i put £70 on 6/7 different managers and not one of them was Steve Clarke!!
Note to self: never listen to rumours they cost you money!!!
Its still speculation, its not 100% yet. Your money may still be safe!
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What this process makes a mockery of is DA's 'We've always got a list of targets available' strategy.
Really? Because if that's true then based on what we're likely to end up with you might want to re-think the strategy.
Part of me was clinging to the hope that this might just be a smokescreen, but alas, it appears not.
Worse still, the crowd won't give him any breathing room. A more established 'head coach/manager' and there would have been a level of confidence. Lose our first three league games and panic sets in, crowds will drop, Clarke sacked and the whole sorry process starts again.
But wait, I'm sure we'll have another list ready ....
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Not a last gasp appointment if this report is to be believed.
Clarke interviewed 2 weeks ago.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2012/06/07/will-steve-clarke-be-new-west-bromwich-albion-boss/
If it is to be Clarke I hope we give him a fair shot, we dont want to turn into bloose or vile.
I was looking forward to RR but it would appear he believes his own publicity machine and obviously JP isn't willing to wait for him to decide so JP decided for him.
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stevie clarkies blue and white army. at least it rymes
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Jesus, 12 pages since 7.00 last night & I've read through them all (as I had the previous 168), so have oddschecker called a press conference for 2.00 to announce the new WBA manager? because as far as I know the club haven't.
It seems that speculation/rumour is having the same affect as the midday sun to some on here!
The people who make the decision on our new head coach are doing exactly what is required to get the right man, not the cheapest option, the right option, please don't under estimate the intelligence of JP, DA, et al, they will do whats right for West Brom regardless of what some on here think.
We run a tight ship at the Albion (we have to, we have no sugar daddy) but it is far from rudderless, we are docked in port & the sailors have all gone ashore for leave.
Chillax people, judgement day will be here soon enough.
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Its still speculation, its not 100% yet. Your money may still be safe!
I said it in jest mate, Albion always cost me money.
For what its worth once the dust settles all the attention on here will then switch to how everyone disagrees with whoever we sign on the pitch, that will then take over until end of August with a few 'will we be relegated' threads, then when/if we start off half decent all will be rosy again, sound familiar?? ;D
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Nope. I woke up the morning and the idea of Steve Clarke still seems as bad as it did yesterday.
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Now for a few pages of transfers :) Charlie Adam to follow Steve anybody
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It staggers me how irrational people can be over the possible appointment of a coach to do the job of a coach.
Come on people, get some perspective - it's not life or death here.
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Obviously I'm a bit underwhelmed due to the calibre of managers we have spoken to but if Clarke is our man then I am 100% behind him.
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We should all be grateful, Swansea might get Berkamp.A number 2 without any prem managerial experience. Would you want Berkamp over Clarke?
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We should all be grateful, Swansea might get Berkamp.A number 2 without any prem managerial experience. Would you want Berkamp over Clarke?
Some would, because his a 'name', although that counts for naff all in my book
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/7545954/West-Ham-to-consider-giving-Steve-Clarke-Zola-managers-job-in-the-summer.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/7545954/West-Ham-to-consider-giving-Steve-Clarke-Zola-managers-job-in-the-summer.html)
Seems Clarke is more than just a number two.........
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/7545954/West-Ham-to-consider-giving-Steve-Clarke-Zola-managers-job-in-the-summer.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/7545954/West-Ham-to-consider-giving-Steve-Clarke-Zola-managers-job-in-the-summer.html)
Seems Clarke is more than just a number two.........
Good luck in trying to convince his doubters :D
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Good luck in trying to convince his doubters :D
Im not even going to bother, im just backing my view up.
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If it is Clarke I look forward to hear the Chairman explain why he appointed someone with zero managerial experience, was not exactly a successful No.2, and who last season was partly responsible for one of Liverpools most unsuccessful seasons in the Premier League. Always the cheap option, I'm surprised it's not Terry Connor
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If it is Clarke I look forward to hear the Chairman explain why he appointed someone with zero managerial experience, was not exactly a successful No.2, and who last season was partly responsible for one of Liverpools most unsuccessful seasons in the Premier League. Always the cheap option, I'm surprised it's not Terry Connor
Cheap?
Google Steve Clarke.
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To be honest not my first choice but i would have gone for our Derek over Steve and he is a manager not a number 2.Did well to keep Bristol up and i am sure would have introduced Big Dave a favourite into our system somewhere. I would be more happy with Derek McInnes and so too most of the fans i am sure.Also i thought he got on well with current board
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If we wanted cheap we would have gone for Appleton or the Clown Holloway!!!
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To be honest not my first choice but i would have gone for our Derek over Steve and he is a manager not a number 2.Did well to keep Bristol up and i am sure would have introduced Big Dave a favourite into our system somewhere. I would be more happy with Derek McInnes and so too most of the fans i am sure.Also i thought he got on well with current board
a case of heart ruling head!
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a case of heart ruling head!
Yes but he would have got more time from some of the clubs supporters.Unfortunately having read most boards now unless the fixtures are kind to Steve he will have a bumpy road and the atmosphere at the Hawthorns wont be best pleasant
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Can someone assure me the brand of football will be pleasing on the eye.I know i don't give the bloke a chance at the moment but i could warm to him if we play with some flare especially at home
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To be honest not my first choice but i would have gone for our Derek over Steve and he is a manager not a number 2.Did well to keep Bristol up and i am sure would have introduced Big Dave a favourite into our system somewhere. I would be more happy with Derek McInnes and so too most of the fans i am sure.Also i thought he got on well with current board
Whether loved by the fans or getting on well with the board are not the criteria for appointing a new head honcho.As for Big Dave we all loved his attitude as a player but i fail to see exactly what he would bring to the table at the moment.
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Can someone assure me the brand of football will be pleasing on the eye.I know i don't give the bloke a chance at the moment but i could warm to him if we play with some flare especially at home
He's known for improving the Liverpool defence - but also I heard somewhere that he's a great believer in playing the game on the ground based on pass-and-move ideals. No doubt he's had some influences since working with Ruud and José.
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Can someone assure me the brand of football will be pleasing on the eye.I know i don't give the bloke a chance at the moment but i could warm to him if we play with some flare especially at home
Who knows? This whole episode smacks of desperation. It could be a masterstroke; it could be a disaster.
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Whether loved by the fans or getting on well with the board are not the criteria for appointing a new head honcho.As for Big Dave we all loved his attitude as a player but i fail to see exactly what he would bring to the table at the moment.
Big Dave has to start somewhere a bit like Steve being a manager i suppose.Put him with the youth to work his way through the ranks
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If it is Clarke I look forward to hear the Chairman explain why he appointed someone with zero managerial experience, was not exactly a successful No.2, and who last season was partly responsible for one of Liverpools most unsuccessful seasons in the Premier League. Always the cheap option, I'm surprised it's not Terry Connor
On the other hand, he helped Chelsea win the Premiership and the FA Cup numerous times.
Sick of reading peoples negative thoughts and comments.
He aint even been appointed and hes getting slated already. Wasnt his fault Dagliesh spent stupid money on average players.
At the end of the day, Clarke is a COACH, we are looking for a HEAD COACH not a manager.
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One of my biggest worries about Clarke's impending appointment is that our overseas contingient won't be able to understand his broad Scottish accent ;D ;D ;D
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Yep I feel the need to echo what some are saying.
Stop getting on his back already and being so negative - if we're positive, we might actually get somewhere.
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Ray Harford (RIP) was a long time assistant manager and coach - he did a brilliant job for us.
Heres hoping history repeats (apart from the buggering off bit).
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Whilst he's a good coach he has zero experience of being the main man. You can dress the role up how you want but Clarke has never done this role before. What's that famous Moxey quote, "No job for a novice"?
I'm underwhelmed and I would be surprised if Clarke has always been our second choice throughout this six week process. Seems to me that all our eggs were in Ralf's basket and Clarke is simply best of the rest - I would prefer him to Appleton or, god forbid, Phelan.
I'm keeping an open mind and if Steve gets the job he deserves a good crack at it. Judge him at Christmas at least.
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Has there been any news of a press conference called to anounce anything.
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Big Dave has to start somewhere a bit like Steve being a manager i suppose.Put him with the youth to work his way through the ranks
Smacks of a job for a jobs sake.Not saying your wrong but dont think it will happen here as the youth structure seems to be well established and i dont think Dave would bring any great technical expertise to the table?
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For all we know, he might have been the favourite from the start, but being tied to Liverpool (when KD was still manager) meant it was hard to 'poach' him.
We then looked at Ralf etc, (and as rumours suggest we HAVENT offered him the job) and we went along with interviewing Ralf (who may have been second choice.)
Kenny then got the boot, Clarkes resignation was denied meaning we would continue to look elsewhere as it wouldnt be possible to have him as manager.
Then Rodgers is appointed and Clarke isnt needed/wanted and leaves, paving the way for us to make a move for the man we 'originally wanted'.
Just a thought.
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Let's get something straight here - Steve Clarke can't be compared with Terry Connor. They've had completely different experiences as coaches, the former enjoying much more success and premier league experience.
I can't understand the mass negativity for Clarke - the bloke's an honest and hard working guy who really relishes the chance to manage at a higher capacity than he has already. We have to give him a chance!
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The thing that I'm clinging to (desperately!) is that there are no direct quotes from anyone, anywhere. The club haven’t said anything, it all looks like it could just be press speculation still (PLEASE!!!!!)
I think though that because there is no football at all until tomorrow, people are also getting bored and have nothing to write about, so it probably just seems to be taking longer with more and more speculation coming out every day. When we got rid of RDM we needed to make a swift appointment. This time around, realistically, what difference does it make if there is someone appointed today or in four weeks time? There’s nothing they can really do is there?
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For all we know, he might have been the favourite from the start, but being tied to Liverpool (when KD was still manager) meant it was hard to 'poach' him.
We then looked at Ralf etc, (and as rumours suggest we HAVENT offered him the job) and we went along with interviewing Ralf (who may have been second choice.)
Kenny then got the boot, Clarkes resignation was denied meaning we would continue to look elsewhere as it wouldnt be possible to have him as manager.
Then Rodgers is appointed and Clarke isnt needed/wanted and leaves, paving the way for us to make a move for the man we 'originally wanted'.
Just a thought.
You scripting Jp's press conference speech!!???
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Just a bit for those asking what he has won and saying he is unsuccesful number 2, he wasnt the manager so he doesnt get the credit and rightly so but he was part of a coaching team which won with Chelsea -
Premier League - 2004–05, 2005–06
FA Cup - 2006–07
Football League Cup - 2004–05, 2006–07
FA Community Shield - 2005
As well as a Champions League Semi final.
At Liverpool he was part of the coaching team -
Carling Cup - 2011-2012
FA Runners Up - 2011-2012
This with arguably the worst liverpool team in recent years (just because they paid inflated prices for players dont make them great!)
Now Clarke wasnt single handely responsible for the above but it shows he has been involved heavily with successful teams, certainly not claiminig if he is appointed that he is Corberan as none of us know if he will be good or rubbish but i think keeping a bit of perspective lets give the bloke a fair chance, not 3 games and then turn on him or just assume we are going back to the Championship!
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Whilst he's a good coach he has zero experience of being the main man. You can dress the role up how you want but Clarke has never done this role before. What's that famous Moxey quote, "No job for a novice"?
I'm underwhelmed and I would be surprised if Clarke has always been our second choice throughout this six week process. Seems to me that all our eggs were in Ralf's basket and Clarke is simply best of the rest - I would prefer him to Appleton or, god forbid, Phelan.
I'm keeping an open mind and if Steve gets the job he deserves a good crack at it. Judge him at Christmas at least.
Thanks for the sensible post.
Just reading through this thread and reaction on twitter there seems to be two extremes: you're either deadset against the appointment or you're Steve Clarke's biggest fan. I really get wound up by people who deride and patronise those who have the nerve to look at the appointment critically. Why can't you be in the middle, where you can question the appointment objectively, but at the same time give Steve Clarke your support.
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Goodbye Foster,Olsson,Mulumbu,and Odemwingie.
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You scripting Jp's press conference speech!!???
Just trying to make sense of it all.
I still think it will be neither RR of SC, got a feeling this is a massive smoke screen.
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Pardon me but to me it means, he's out of the running! Gone/History/Crashed and Burnt.
Says who? You're going on CL and the Brum Mail.
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Goodbye Foster,Olsson,Mulumbu,and Odemwingie.
Care to elabourate or are you just going to post rubbish?
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On the other hand, he helped Chelsea win the Premiership and the FA Cup numerous times.
Sick of reading peoples negative thoughts and comments.
He aint even been appointed and hes getting slated already. Wasnt his fault Dagliesh spent stupid money on average players.
I can see what you're saying here, but RDM was sacked by us for underachieving, yet he has gone on to win two major trophies with Chelsea. Chelsea are a top team, with top players. We, sadly, are not.
If you're saying Liverpool have average players, then what does it make our players really? Our top transfer was £6m for Long. I'm guessing (with the exception of Carragher who's getting on a bit) no Liverpool player would shift for under £10m.
For me, SC isn't exactly the face of confidence. If he is appointed, I will be disappointed, but will reserve judgement until he has had a number of games.
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Thanks for the sensible post.
Just reading through this thread and reaction on twitter there seems to be two extremes: you're either deadset against the appointment or you're Steve Clarke's biggest fan. I really get wound up by people who deride and patronise those who have the nerve to look at the appointment critically. Why can't you be in the middle, where you can question the appointment objectively, but at the same time give Steve Clarke your support.
Bang on, for me if he gets the job it just smacks of desperation and poor organisation on JP and DA's part (something I thought I would never say) but obviously he gets my full support.
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Goodbye Foster,Olsson,Mulumbu,and Odemwingie.
Can't understand this - Clarke has worked with much bigger players than some of the managers being mentioned so where does this notion of our players leaving come from?
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I get that its a coach we want not a manager. But the Head Coach is still the number one man that talks to the players and explains his decisions and what he wants to do. He wont be able to hide behind the line "because the manager says so". So the players need to respect him and believe he knows what he's doing. I just dont think that will happen with our senior players.
It's a lot easier to be an assistant manager than the man at the top, where the buck stops.
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This with arguably the worst liverpool team in recent years (just because they paid inflated prices for players dont make them great!)
So, as the main coach, what input did he have into the signings Liverpool made? Would Dalglish have signed them without Clarke's input? This is important, because his responsibility with regard to players that come in would increase with us and we don't have much money to play with due to our prudent financial approach/penny-pinching (delete as appropriate)?
People seem to be putting all the bad things at the clubs Clarke has been at down to whoever the manager was and all the good things down to Clarke, which is unbalanced of course.
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Just a bit for those asking what he has won and saying he is unsuccesful number 2, he wasnt the manager so he doesnt get the credit and rightly so but he was part of a coaching team which won with Chelsea -
Premier League - 2004–05, 2005–06
FA Cup - 2006–07
Football League Cup - 2004–05, 2006–07
FA Community Shield - 2005
As well as a Champions League Semi final.
At Liverpool he was part of the coaching team -
Carling Cup - 2011-2012
FA Runners Up - 2011-2012
This with arguably the worst liverpool team in recent years (just because they paid inflated prices for players dont make them great!)
Now Clarke wasnt single handely responsible for the above but it shows he has been involved heavily with successful teams, certainly not claiminig if he is appointed that he is Corberan as none of us know if he will be good or rubbish but i think keeping a bit of perspective lets give the bloke a fair chance, not 3 games and then turn on him or just assume we are going back to the Championship!
Whilst that is a very good record, it has come with big clubs with huge budgets and many world class players. Even at West Ham they had the same. We are a different kettle of fish.
If we were in the Championship or just been promoted I'd say it would be a decent appointment. However we are looking to maintain or build on our last two successful seasons. Many coaches have stepped up a level to become the main man at this level but I can't think of many that have had success.
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As much as I think Clarke is a good coach and I respect him as such greatly. In the position we're in this would be the wrong appointment. If we had just been promoted and were looking for a manager then it is definitely the sort of appointment we should make.
We've been in the Premiership for a few years now and are looking to consolidate. Now is not the time to be taking risks on unproven managers. Clarke may turn out to be a master stroke and do brilliantly for us. But we should be in the position now where we don't have to take such risks. We've already missed out on Rodgers, Lambert and Hughton all will some track record as a manager.
As much as I want Clarke to succeed, I can see this appointment being the reason that contributes significantly to us going down. It's a big risk to appoint him at this juncture.
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I have put Clarkes record up there for those saying he has been unsuccesful and won nothing, whoever the club was, his record shows he has won things but without a doubt he probably has his faults as well and if he did play a part in poor signings then that is obviously a negative.
I think as somebody put not long ago, there needs to be middle ground, i have put the positives about Steve Clarke what i can see to counter those who appear to think by appointing him we may as well just be entered into next years Championship fixtures already!
None of us know if he is going to be any good or rubbish, we dont know if he can manage, how he will handle the pressure, there has to be something between we have got the perfect manager and will now rival Man City to we will be playing Barnsley next season! That something is a chance, people saying the crowd will turn if we dont have an easy start, etc, like probably most people on here, personally he wouldnt of been my first choice but i am not the one who whose reputation is decided by these appointments, JP and Ashworth are. If he is appointed lets give him a chance at least, he doesnt join been a failed manager anywhere so we cant say its a negative appointment and we cant say its the best appointment because as with most things, we just dont know!
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We've been in the Premiership for a few years now and are looking to consolidate. Now is not the time to be taking risks on unproven managers. Clarke may turn out to be a master stroke and do brilliantly for us. But we should be in the position now where we don't have to take such risks. We've already missed out on Rodgers, Lambert and Hughton all will some track record as a manager.
Excellent points. It could work out, but it's a bigger risk than going with an experienced manager.
To be honest, it's good that we haven't rushed to appoint any old bloke, but I do feel quite wound up that other clubs have just gone and got on with appointing a manager and we're still playing guessing games.
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Not exactly breaking news but.....
Sky Sports News?@SkySportsNews
SKY SOURCES: West Brom set to name Liverpool's former assistant manager Steve Clarke as Roy Hodgson's replacement within next 24 hours #SSN
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Rubbish Apointment (if it happens), took the fans money from season tickets got a new sponser who have paid millions and stumped for the free option that to be frank is the biggest gamble out of all the names quoted on here over the last 180 odd pages!
Not at all happy, dont see how he will move us forward, the names he will bring in wont be that pleasing and you will see alot of our best players jumping ship!
Looks to me that Mr Peace enjoys getting those Parachute payments!
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Not exactly breaking news but.....
Sky Sports News?@SkySportsNews
SKY SOURCES: West Brom set to name Liverpool's former assistant manager Steve Clarke as Roy Hodgson's replacement within next 24 hours #SSN
Ha Ha Sky sources :D
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Rubbish Apointment (if it happens), took the fans money from season tickets got a new sponser who have paid millions and stumped for the free option that to be frank is the biggest gamble out of all the names quoted on here over the last 180 odd pages!
Not at all happy, dont see how he will move us forward, the names he will bring in wont be that pleasing and you will see alot of our best players jumping ship!
Looks to me that Mr Peace enjoys getting those Parachute payments!
Are you Mystic Meg otherwise how the hell can you predict all the above BEFORE he is even appointed?? I try not to get wound up on here but sometimes its impossible, some replies on here are ridiculous at best!!
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Ha Ha Sky sources :D
Its a step up from Sky Sports understands.... ;D
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Rubbish Apointment (if it happens), took the fans money from season tickets got a new sponser who have paid millions and stumped for the free option that to be frank is the biggest gamble out of all the names quoted on here over the last 180 odd pages!
Not at all happy, dont see how he will move us forward, the names he will bring in wont be that pleasing and you will see alot of our best players jumping ship!
Looks to me that Mr Peace enjoys getting those Parachute payments!
Free? Cheap? Clarke was on £600k at Chelsea and £900k at West Ham plus they paid Chelsea £1m to get him.
Can people engage brain before posting please, it's getting tedious.
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So much for the cheap option. :o
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Rubbish Apointment (if it happens), took the fans money from season tickets got a new sponser who have paid millions and stumped for the free option that to be frank is the biggest gamble out of all the names quoted on here over the last 180 odd pages!
Not at all happy, dont see how he will move us forward, the names he will bring in wont be that pleasing and you will see alot of our best players jumping ship!
Looks to me that Mr Peace enjoys getting those Parachute payments!
All managerial appointments carry a risk, some just do not work out, Rangwick would have carried risk as he is unproven in the Premiership, sometimes you just have to accept that some people make better decisions than the fans would, JP and DA have made their choice, what ever that is, its probably a decent one.
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Steve Clarke will have my full backing but does not mean I have to like it!
We finished 10th last season, club on a "feel good" factor fantastic opportunity to appoint a person with a proven track record. SC has only done it as an assistant big gamble! I will blame JP 100% if this goes wrong but hopefully we will be praising him for a inspired appoinment. We live in hope!
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I'm waiting to hear from our German friends to see if they have read the same in there papers
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i just really do wonder now if the reduction in season ticket prices has played its part. i cant help but think it has been a financial factor and we've been taken for mugs. we all know how much $$$$ helps you in this league.
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Hes not my choice, but he gets my backing.
The positive of Clarke over Ragnick is how knows the premiership inside out and knows what it takes to succeed.
Ragnick would have been a bigger gamble than Clarke in some respect (Yes i understand Ragnick has experience as a manager etc etc).
With whats available in terms of managers/coaches, I dont think its as bad as it seems.
Think the whole linking with the 'big european names' has made this look worse than it actually is.
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Free? Cheap? Clarke was on £600k at Chelsea and £900k at West Ham plus they paid Chelsea £1m to get him.
Can people engage brain before posting please, it's getting tedious.
Roy was about to get a 1.5million pound a year deal if he had signed for us!
Hes cost us nothing and his wages in respect to what we could have paid are very very low!
Cheap Option....Brains In Gear
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Totally under-whelmed and disappointed in the whole thing. All this b/s about us having a list ready of managers/players to choose from and we choose this guy who looks to all intents and purposes as the last option. No one can convince me we were waiting for him to get the sack at Liverpool in order to appoint him.
Having said all that, I wish him well and will be there cheering the lads on in the new season but sorry, the whole thing has left me with a bitter taste in my mouth. Yet again WBA have spurned a gilt edged golden opportunity to do something big and have fiddled and fuddled and let the chance go by.........very sad day for the future of WBA in my opinion, and thats all it is MY opinion.
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Are you Mystic Meg otherwise how the hell can you predict all the above BEFORE he is even appointed?? I try not to get wound up on here but sometimes its impossible, some replies on here are ridiculous at best!!
I agree. There is no way a lot of the comments along the lines of 'our best players will jump ship' or 'Clarke won't be able to attract players' etc etc can be backed up by facts. I am all for constructive criticism but a lot of fans here just spout rubbish based on their personal fears, opinions and conjecturerather than genuine analysis based on facts. There have been a few posters posting sensible and intelligent posts, but for each one of them there seems to be five or ten rubbish posts completely lacking in any substance in reality. Sure, everybody are entitled to opinions, but there are people on this planet convinced it is flat.. ie, not all opinions are equal.
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Roy was about to get a 1.5million pound a year deal if he had signed for us!
Hes cost us nothing and his wages in respect to what we could have paid are very very low!
Cheap Option....Brains In Gear
Yes, but Roy's gone and there is no other realistic name i would believe worth that sort of deal.
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People can say what they like on this board without the language of course. Can those who are in favour just take on board to those that are not and stop writing off what they say as clueless, it might be those come the end of the season saying i told you so
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Free? Cheap? Clarke was on £600k at Chelsea and £900k at West Ham plus they paid Chelsea £1m to get him.
Can people engage brain before posting please, it's getting tedious.
You cant blame some of our fans to be honest mate, i know some comments are beyond negative and stupid but the fact we didn't approach martinez, hughton or in my opinion go in for lambert (although he has a history of unloyalty) only begs questions to be asked, it is a gamble because he hasnt managed before but i will give him my full backing and hopefully the risk pays off, hes doing something right to be a coach at these top clubs.
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Wiil be very disappointed if we appoint Clarke,we are aim to be a established club in the premier league,we are not the newly-promoted team,a experienced manager is better for us.
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Anyone else thing there might be a bit of a double-act coming in? Maybe Clarke and McCinnes experience/youth type thing, DM as boss with SC there to give vital advice and guidance. Think I'd be more happy with that than just Clarke. Mostly though, I think I'm just trying to find positives.
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Anyone else thing there might be a bit of a double-act coming in? Maybe Clarke and McCinnes experience/youth type thing, DM as boss with SC there to give vital advice and guidance. Think I'd be more Halley with that than just Clarke. Mostly though, I think I'm just trying to find positives.
I think your just clinging on to hope!
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Anyone else thing there might be a bit of a double-act coming in? Maybe Clarke and McCinnes experience/youth type thing, DM as boss with SC there to give vital advice and guidance. Think I'd be more Halley with that than just Clarke. Mostly though, I think I'm just trying to find positives.
Clarke, Downing and Kiely im guessing!
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Clarke, Downing and Kiely im guessing!
The dream team
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Exactly what I was about to post. :D
The Dream Team to take us down more like.
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To be fair we have had a good run aint we :D
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I think all of this is comparative.
Personally in terms of experience I don't see much more on rogers, lamberts or hughton's cv than isn't on clarke's. Each of those have managed at best ONE whole season in the premiership. Yet seemingly we would have been happy with them.
When Ray Wilkins name was in the frame there was lots of positive comments - but when was the last time he managed a club in any division, let alone the premiership. He has generally been a number 2, but some people on here were lauding him. Now a different number 2 is on the radar who has a wealth of permiership experience and we are all doom and gloom.
Personally I don't get it. I think every name mentioned has had a risk attached to it. I think that Steve Clarke is as good or as bad as any other name mentioned. His cv shows he is held in positive regard as he keeps landing good coaching roles. With our director of football it may be a great fit.
I can undersand people not being overwhelmed but i for one wouldn't be underwhelmed if he was appointed.
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Steve Clarke;Pro's -worked with big name players and managers.Scottish..Fam..ilia with premier league.
Cons -No eperience as a No1
Would have preffered CH myself.
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Totally under-whelmed and disappointed in the whole thing. All this b/s about us having a list ready of managers/players to choose from and we choose this guy who looks to all intents and purposes as the last option. No one can convince me we were waiting for him to get the sack at Liverpool in order to appoint him.
Having said all that, I wish him well and will be there cheering the lads on in the new season but sorry, the whole thing has left me with a bitter taste in my mouth. Yet again WBA have spurned a gilt edged golden opportunity to do something big and have fiddled and fuddled and let the chance go by.........very sad day for the future of WBA in my opinion, and thats all it is MY opinion.
I don't understand this fiddle and fuddle argument. Looks to me our list was very ambitious and rightly so. What were we supposed to do, put guns to peoples heads and make them sign for us? Clarke is most likely the best of the rest we could get (I trust DA's judgement), but then why not at least try for the Ranieris and Rangnicks seeing the other options were quite a ways off the top coaches?
It has cost us nothing and we will have our coach for the new season. And you never know, Clarke might be top coach for us, a LOT of people will have egg on their faces if that happens. Personally I think it will happen.
It amazes me how strong the "name recognition" instinct is in people- if people haven't heard of someone then that means he is rubbish. Erm, no, that is just poor logics.
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Totally under-whelmed and disappointed in the whole thing. All this b/s about us having a list ready of managers/players to choose from and we choose this guy who looks to all intents and purposes as the last option. No one can convince me we were waiting for him to get the sack at Liverpool in order to appoint him.
Having said all that, I wish him well and will be there cheering the lads on in the new season but sorry, the whole thing has left me with a bitter taste in my mouth. Yet again WBA have spurned a gilt edged golden opportunity to do something big and have fiddled and fuddled and let the chance go by.........very sad day for the future of WBA in my opinion, and thats all it is MY opinion.
agree, youve got it in one. we knew it was going to be a big summer and i bet JP in his heart of hearts does not want this guy, but wants to save some cash. look all round the other boards now, people are saying we will struggle big time. this is far from a feel good factor and i feel it is trying to be overly optimistic to see the major positives in this one; there are very few.
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Nobody had heard of Rangnick but nearly all wanted him, everybody has heard of Clarke yet about half the people don't.
The site keeps going down like just before when Di Matteo was appointed, I feel the appointment is imminent.
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Nobody had heard of Rangnick but nearly all wanted him, everybody has heard of Clarke yet about half the people don't.
The site keeps going down like just before when Di Matteo was appointed, I feel the Disappointment is imminent.
Just wanted to correct your mistake!
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Would any of you take McInnes or Appleton now then :D
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Zing! Very good.
Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love Clarke to be successful at the Albion. To take us on to the next level, Hell! I'd be happy staying at the same level. Mid-table obscurity. But this is a backwards step after Roy. A big backwards step!
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Looks like its Clarke ......sky sports saying he will be named as next West Brom manager within the next 24 hours!
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Would any of you take McInnes or Appleton now then :D
Hand on heart?
No
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Would any of you take McInnes or Appleton now then :D
In conjunction with a really experienced assistant. Like Dougie Freedman has got Lenny Lawrence.
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In conjunction with a really experienced assistant. Like Dougie Freedman has got Lenny Lawrence.
This is exactly what I've suggested.
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Looks like its Clarke ......sky sports saying he will be named as next West Brom manager within the next 24 hours!
Is that Sky Sports saying or Sky Sports understanding?
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Looks like it is Clarke then.
Am I excited by the prospect of him managing the Albion - not really.
His coaching credentials are hard to fault and I guess that there aren't that many better number 2s around. But a number 2 IS what he has been with NO managerial experience at all. OK we call it a "head coach"
This is a big gamble IMO and I really hope it pays off.
Probably a better option than McInnes or Appleton though.
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But I can't think of any suitable names at the moment. Besides Jeremy Peace wouldn't pay for an experienced assistant I feel.
I would say when we appoint Clarke he would need to bring one person in as his assistant. Hopefully he will bring somebody in who is experienced.
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I posted on the Blues forum about CH that we have bigger fish to fry, What a prat I am.
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To be fair we have had a good run aint we :D
Your negativity is compelling.
By the way did your ITK info and little birdie get it right? Arh right, didn't think so and never did
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Oh no someone who has worked with some of th best players in the world and is regarded as a very good coach, I am not prepared to even give him a chance! JP what are you doing?! You want us to get relegated don't you! It's obvious. How dare we not appoint someone with a big reputation as being a no 1 or a manager... I will never watch Albion again..
People AMAZE me, I really hope some of you apply for new jobs in the coming months and get them and then everyone there doesn't even give you a chance before you walk through the door.
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steve lee stood outside hawthorns on sky sports news, saying it was ranieri, then rangnick, then hughton but albion couldn't afford deal and now we have apparently gone for Clarke only because he was released yesterday...
that's what the guru steve lee says......
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But I can't think of any suitable names at the moment. Besides Jeremy Peace wouldn't pay for an experienced assistant I feel.
I would say when we appoint Clarke he would need to bring one person in as his assistant. Hopefully he will bring somebody in who is experienced.
He has Downing, part of the dream team
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steve lee stood outside hawthorns on sky sports news, saying it was ranieri, then rangnick, then hughton but albion couldn't afford deal and now we have apparently gone for Clarke only because he was released yesterday...
that's what the guru steve lee says......
Qaulity News, to all those saying he isnt the Cheap Option!
4th Choice!
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steve lee stood outside hawthorns on sky sports news, saying it was ranieri, then rangnick, then hughton but albion couldn't afford deal and now we have apparently gone for Clarke only because he was released yesterday...
that's what the guru steve lee says......
He is correct in what he says. We are the laughing stock
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appointing a number 2 as our number 1 :'( it's a ridiculous decision, all my love for JP and DA is evapourating with this appointment, I can't believe it
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Bet most of your were thinking how pathetic all those England fans were slagging Roy before he had even managed a single game and now your doing the same. Swear this is like being dumped on a Wolves or Villa forum, some of you need to get a grip
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He is correct in what he says. We are the laughing stock
Must be true then if Steve from Sky Sports says so......get a grip!
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We'll see who's laughing at Christmas. Yes, it could be the vile but it could be us - this managerial appointment brings with it a sense of mystery as well as risk. The mystery intrigues me because we don't really know what Clarke will bring to the table as a coach rather than an assistant; styles of play etc.
I for one am excited and am ready to get behind the man. He's an honest bloke, no doubt with a point to prove!
Good luck Steve :) You'll need it with some of the miserable fans here.
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Bet most of your were thinking how pathetic all those England fans were slagging Roy before he had even managed a single game and now your doing the same. Swear this is like being dumped on a Wolves or Villa forum, some of you need to get a grip
I agree after seeing the article on the Bham mail re our fans reactions i think its very important we dont end up like villa wolves and blackburn fans - we have to trust what jp and da have done and for the structure in the club they obviously think he's the number one choice.
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appointing a number 2 as our number 1 :'( it's a ridiculous decision, all my love for JP and DA is evapourating with this appointment, I can't believe it
yet we would have had chris hughton, who is rated because Newcastle had the balls to appoint a number 2 as their number 1.
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I feel honoured, some Wolves fan has quoted my post about wanting AVB and then mocked it...
Funny that, considering one of our previous managers has gone onto win two major trophies and one has gone on to manage England.
Yeah, it's strange how I was hoping for another top appointment to continue our run in the PL! Why on earth didn't I suggest someone like Steve Bruce, Mic Mac or even TC?! :-*
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Would any of you take McInnes or Appleton now then :D
No - it would just be more jobs for the boys, which we seem to have more than enough of at the club already.
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Our managers tend to have a knack for proving the majority of people wrong, RDM, Mowbray, Hodgson, and even Robson to a certain extent by pulling off the Great Escape against all odds!
Hope Steve Clarkes the same, the majority of my mates who support different teams seem to think it could work so I'm holding my judgement for a while yet. Also looking forward to potentially seeing some decent, entertaining, passing football over the next year too!
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The reason why some of fans are angry is because we were linked with high profile managers such as AVB and Rangnick, being realistic we were never going to get them.I like managers who want to prove a point to the world like Hodgson and now Clarke. I think Clarke will be a big success here and i think many people on here will look very silly. Actually looking forward to the new season now 8)
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yet we would have had chris hughton, who is rated because Newcastle had the balls to appoint a number 2 as their number 1.
They were in the Championship with the best squad the Championship is likely to see. Less of a gamble to them then IMO.
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Bet most of your were thinking how pathetic all those England fans were slagging Roy before he had even managed a single game and now your doing the same. Swear this is like being dumped on a Wolves or Villa forum, some of you need to get a grip
My View On It All:-
Couldn't get Raneri, he stumped for a second divsion french team instead of coming to WBA in hte premier league. Show that we couldnt sell ourselves as a decent prospect or stump up the cash!
Rangnick decided that also WBA is not the right move for him, and dispite being very highly rated and experiance at getting average teams in the leagues towards the top end we dicided to let him slip!
Chris Hughton wasnt that expensive but the Albion didnt want to stump up any money for a new manager and within 2 days of Norwich being managerless they swoop and he looks set to sign.
Steve Clarke gets paid £750,000 to leave Liverpool, WBA love the feel of a heavy wallet in there back pocket from record sponser deals and season ticket sales and decide to sign a manager or has never managed to become there head coach!
Six Weeks and its come down to us signing a manager who has never been a manager!
Rubbish!
yet we would have had chris hughton, who is rated because Newcastle had the balls to appoint a number 2 as their number 1.
Newcastle were in turnmoil when the put Hughton in charge, the fans wanted the chairman out they had been relgated! Tony Christie could have got newcastle promoted that season...anyone could there team was premier league standard still.
Hughton wasnt a risk, the chairman didnt want to invest any more money into the club and Hughton was the cheap option...he was more than willing to take the step up...but lets be honest why is he not still manager at Newcastle! Not good enough, got sacked and Pardue has taken them to the next step!
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I think what Steve Lee says is the biggest load of rubbish I have heard in a good while. Shows total lack of knowledge of our system.
I cant believe some of our fans fall for it.
Rangnick - Didnt want it by the looks of it
Hughton - May have wanted it but 2 million is steep for someone who still only has 6 month premier league experience.
Ranieri - Decided to go to Monaco
Clarke resigned yesterday and we are due to appoint today or tomorrow hardly suggests we have just gone after him because hes been released only.
If I was the club I would be sending a correspondence to Sky regarding his comments.
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I don't understand this fiddle and fuddle argument. Looks to me our list was very ambitious and rightly so. What were we supposed to do, put guns to peoples heads and make them sign for us? Clarke is most likely the best of the rest we could get (I trust DA's judgement), but then why not at least try for the Ranieris and Rangnicks seeing the other options were quite a ways off the top coaches?
I agree although I also dream of having living in a mansion and driving a Ferrari!
Fact is without paying big wages and a huge transfer kitty we are never going to attract any top managers. Hodgson needed to repair his reputation quickly and financially probably didn't need the money hence why he came here. We have to face facts that we cannot and won't compete with the majority of the clubs in this league (even the likes of Swansea and Norwich to some degree) therefore we will always have to settle for second best.
I just hope that we use the money that we have saved on players, Foster especially.
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Wouldnt have been my first choice but i like the fact Clarke is hands on training ground wise,im fully behind him if and when he does get the job.If indeed he does get the job i think two or three decent signings would get us all excited again.Give him a chance.
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at least we know who the next England manager will be when roy retires.
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Wouldnt have been my first choice but i like the fact Clarke is hands on training ground wise,im fully behind him if and when he does get the job.If indeed he does get the job i think two or three decent signings would get us all excited again.Give him a chance.
Good point, the word Coach is something he is very good at, I really hope it works out if it is him.
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I see alot of our fans have shown themselves up not only on here but on the Birmingham Mail website.
Embarrasing. Our fans used to be better than this. Pathetic.
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I'll just reiterate my point.
This is not a step forward. It is a very big gamble. Why not approach Hughton who has a proven track record, and fork out £2m. Seems very petty.
Clarke will get benchmarked against what Hughton does at Norwich, and the 'what-if' brigade will be out in force.
Let's make no mistake, this guy probably wasn't even in our top 5 candidates 6 weeks ago
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I'm disappointed by the embarrassing actions of some of our supporters. I'm surprised you haven't gone up The Hawthorns and started protesting! To slate the clubs ambition is also rather comical, we had numerous discussions with both Ranieri and Ragnick. Ranieri decided that the lifestyle and oppurtunity of Monaco was too hard to resist and Rangnick must obviously feel there's a better opporutnity elsewhere. How is it our fault they haven't signed?
The process might have gone on for 6 weeks but we tried to get the best appointment possible for the club. We're a very a small club in this league and some of our fans need to recognise this and not become too focused on our league finishes. Just because we finished 10th doesn't automatically make us attractive. It's about what we will pay managers and what budget they have available. Quite rightly, we should stick with the approach which has served us well over the past couple of years.
After those ambitious options had gone who else was left? AVB? Not a cat in hells chance and those which believe it too be true are probably deluded. He'll have a more attractive offer elsewhere. Rafa Benitez? Again, not a cat in hells chance. The next pool of managers were the likes of Appleton, McInnes & Holloway which were lambasted on here for not having enough experience. We turned to a man who has 13 years or more Premier League experience.
I'm disappointed we never got Rangnick, but I'm aware that we tried our best to be ambitious, but we have to realise we're a small fish in this league. It wasn't for the want of trying but these "upper bracket"managers can get much better offers elsewhere. Steve Clarke is again a safe appointment in my opinion, not brilliant, but certainly not as bad as been made out on here.
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this time next year we will all be worried because some big club is trying to poach our stevie
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Lets get the facts from JP what the hell as gone on. We the fans deserve to know the truth. I will give Clarke a chance but they are Albion fans saying they want their season ticket money back. But has I said we want a full statement from JP.
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I just wont this saga over with, i'm not bothered if we call him Head coach or Manager lets get who ever JP gets to sign ASP. :-[ :-[ :-[
Still no news from our German friends
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He is correct in what he says. We are the laughing stock
How are we a laughing stock?
Shall we appoint Holloway and let everbody laugh at us in 12 months time when he'd have took us down? We tried to be ambitious, we were turned down, and moved onto the next experienced man in the next pool of coaches.
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Lets get the facts from JP what the hell as gone on. We the fans deserve to know the truth. I will give Clarke a chance but they are Albion fans saying they want their season ticket money back. But has I said we want a full statement from JP.
Let them have it, absoloute jokers.
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Some of you are forgetting he worked at the Chelsea academy, this will bond well with us because we have the likes of Allan,Thorne,Daniels coming through, Am sure the likes of Dorrans and Morrison and Allan will be happy with this appointment ;D
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hes worked behind the scenes at some big clubs, so it could work
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Lets get the facts from JP what the hell as gone on. We the fans deserve to know the truth. I will give Clarke a chance but they are Albion fans saying they want their season ticket money back. But has I said we want a full statement from JP.
Why??? If Clarke signs we have appointed a very experienced coach. If some Albion fans want their season ticket money back the club should as we dont want those type of fans supporting the club anyway.
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some of the reactions on here are well over the top.
losing our star players? nonsense.
i am really underwhelmed by this appointment but its not the end of the world.
I was left speechless last night and i am still disappointed. But i don't think its a terrible appointment, just underwhelming and uninspired.
100% behind the boards decision and Clarke if it is him.
Disappointed it took 6 weeks to sort out though.
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I'm just glad this search is over.
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It's so funny when people try to make facts up to fit the terrible story they (for what seems really sadistic reason,) want to believe.
If Steve Clarke comes, one of the best things that will happen will be that some of the expectations of the club will shoot right down. Of course, JP and DA might get some flack for it, but they haven't not taken it on behalf of their decisions before.
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I'm just worried that he's Scottish and his names sounds a bit like Steve Kean! :D
Guess we have to trust JP and DA. They haven't let us down so far in appointments, even if it has the outward appearance of a rush job. Of course, it may well not be!
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some of the reactions on here are well over the top.
losing our star players? nonsense.
i am really underwhelmed by this appointment but its not the end of the world.
I was left speechless last night and i am still disappointed. But i don't think its a terrible appointment, just underwhelming and uninspired.
100% behind the boards decision and Clarke if it is him.
Disappointed it took 6 weeks to sort out though.
Generally I agree with this. He's a managerial enigma. He could be great, could be awful...it's just a big risk and after months of speculation his name is a bit underwhelming. Nonetheless he'll be supported.
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What narks me is all this bullshine we are fed by WBA about the backroom staff and Ashworth have this list of people who we monitor and draw up lists of people available etc etc and then we sign a nobody in managerial terms who only became available 3 days ago when we wanted a manager 2 fuggin months ago FFS !
Totally underwhelmed but will receive my support.
Another massive golden opportunity to take the next step and do something big and really set a standard, instead wba are a laughing stock taking the cheap option.
Stinks of letting Cantello/Cunningham go in terms of chance missed by the club to build something big.
Pathetic in my opinion. If you disagree fine but anyone MUST see the gamble that this is..................... that didnt need to be taken !
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Joke of a signing IF TRUE. I am still holding out for us actually appointing a manager. I still hope and believe it will be Ralf.
I can fully understand people wanting there season ticket money back, I simply cannot see our players staying and us signing Foster under Clarke.
HOWEVER - You have to look at the track record of our signings, the board always seem to make the right decision with the manager, they know more than us as fans about the footballing profession.
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I will give Clarke a chance but they are Albion fans saying they want their season ticket money back.
If anyone wants a refund for their season ticket based on the potential decision to appoint Steve Clarke as manager then let them have it, I want people around me that are going to support the team no matter who is in charge. Anyone else can do one as far as I'm concerned.
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Why??? If Clarke signs we have appointed a very experienced coach. If some Albion fans want their season ticket money back the club should as we dont want those type of fans supporting the club anyway.
I don't understand why you'd want your money back - after all, the ticket was purchased with the knowledge we had no manager.
On the other hand, appointing a very experienced coach is great, if he is to be a coach. He isn't though, he's going to be the manager\head coach. In that respect we're hiring a very inexperienced person for the role.
This "he's a coach so he'll do well for us as we don't have a manager we have a head-coach" is silly. It doesn't matter what you call the guy at the top, he's the one making the decisions come match day. Up until now he hasn't had to do that.
I'd more rather have him than Connor, but Connor was a very experienced coach, with great knowledge of the club, knew all the players, and look what happened.
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What narks me is all this bullshine we are fed by WBA about the backroom staff and Ashworth have this list of people who we monitor and draw up lists of people available etc etc and then we sign a nobody in managerial terms who only became available 3 days ago when we wanted a manager 2 fuggin months ago FFS !
Totally underwhelmed but will receive my support.
Another massive golden opportunity to take the next step and do something big and really set a standard, instead wba are a laughing stock taking the cheap option.
Stinks of letting Cantello/Cunningham go in terms of chance missed by the club to build something big.
Pathetic in my opinion. If you disagree fine but anyone MUST see the gamble that this is..................... that didnt need to be taken !
To be fair he was first interviewed over two weeks ago and he's just negotiated his exit from Liverpool so it's not like we rushed into it.
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Hughton - May have wanted it but 2 million is steep for someone who still only has 6 month premier league experience.
I've seen suggestions that the compensation figure is much less than that (not ITK myself).
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How are we a laughing stock?
Shall we appoint Holloway and let everbody laugh at us in 12 months time when he'd have took us down? We tried to be ambitious, we were turned down, and moved onto the next experienced man in the next pool of coaches.
There is just as much chance of going down with Clarke, an unproven head coach ;)
Holloway as been a head coach/manager for how many years now?
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I see many of those slagging Clarke off are those who were saying Roy should go in January.
Bless the new Prem fans we've acquired and there over expectant rants.
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I can fully understand people wanting there season ticket money back, I simply cannot see our players staying and us signing Foster under Clarke.
Why? He's worked with much bigger names than Foster etc.
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Generally I agree with this. He's a managerial enigma. He could be great, could be awful...it's just a big risk and after months of speculation his name is a bit underwhelming. Nonetheless he'll be supported.
I don't think anyone would say otherwise. It is underwhelming and a big risk but at the same time no one is a guaranteed success. Whoever gets it needs support, anyone saying they want their season ticket money back are more than welcome to it in my opinion as we will be better off without them there.
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I reckon he may well do a cracking job, did we attract players under Hodgson that we wouldn't attract under Steve Clarke?
I'm sure the likes of Ridgewell MacAuley etc would still have signed for the Albion.
Give him a chance, he comes with a great reputation and if Jose Mourinho thinks he would make a top manager I'm willing to trust his judgement.
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There is just as much chance of going down with Clarke, an unproven head coach ;)
Holloway as been a head coach/manager for how many years now?
There is, but we are hiring a man who has worked with the best. Won every title their is to win in this country. We're also hiring a man with Premier League experienced. What does Holloway have? I'd feel much safer with Clarke than I would a lunatic like Holloway.
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I'm disappointed by the embarrassing actions of some of our supporters. I'm surprised you haven't gone up The Hawthorns and started protesting! To slate the clubs ambition is also rather comical
I for one am growing a bit tired of all the put-downs being posted about those who are unhappy with this prospective appointment, particularly when the put-downs come from mods. I thought that all views were supposed to be welcomed, as long as they weren't insulting or offensive? One rule for one and one for another it appears.....
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Also fans which want a refund on their season ticket if he is appointed? That's actually a good thing in my opinion. Supporters are what are needed, not folk which are throwing hissy fits with their over the top reactions.
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I for one am growing a bit tired of all the put-downs being posted about those who are unhappy with this prospective appointment, particularly when the put-downs come from mods. I thought that all views were supposed to be welcomed, as long as they weren't insulting or offensive? One rule for one and one for another it appears.....
Nothing wrong with reasoned posts voicing concerns, it's the posters running around screaming like little girls that is getting short shrift.
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Every manager could be a risk, we picked up a Roy Hodgson who was shot with confidence a man who was broken you could say. We took the risk of appointing him, the media were saying he would not return to managment for a good year and would not be up to a relegation battle but look at him now. Some fans may not like him but i hope we give him a chance. I am looking forward to see what players he brings in and what style of football he plays. A lot of Liverpool fans on twitter have said he was the one who organised there defence, am i right to say they had one of the best defences last year on stats ?
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To be fair he was first interviewed over two weeks ago and he's just negotiated his exit from Liverpool so it's not like we rushed into it.
I never knew he was interviewed 2 weeks ago, how do you know that ?
Even so, he would have been bottom of any list we had at that time. I just see it as alost opportunity that WBA have a track record of all the way through thier history. We keep being handed these chances and dont take them up. Its so frustrating the club do this poor mans option every time !
We were a better team than Man U in the late 70's but wasted the chance to become a really great team.
This reminds me of just such an opportunity that the club have let go. It annoys me so much it really does.
This guy is a mnassive gamble that the club DIDNT need to take.
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I for one am growing a bit tired of all the put-downs being posted about those who are unhappy with this prospective appointment, particularly when the put-downs come from mods. I thought that all views were supposed to be welcomed, as long as they weren't insulting or offensive? One rule for one and one for another it appears.....
Well, it is quite embarassing. Just as it would be if say "too many" people were over the top positively. ;D
Although, it has to be said that THAT occurence would be even more comical. :-X
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I for one am growing a bit tired of all the put-downs being posted about those who are unhappy with this prospective appointment, particularly when the put-downs come from mods. I thought that all views were supposed to be welcomed, as long as they weren't insulting or offensive? One rule for one and one for another it appears.....
Here here.I have noticed who gets his support The boys with red and blue letters the politcally correct gang
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It's so funny when people try to make facts up to fit the terrible story they (for what seems really sadistic reason,) want to believe.
If Steve Clarke comes, one of the best things that will happen will be that some of the expectations of the club will shoot right down. Of course, JP and DA might get some flack for it, but they haven't not taken it on behalf of their decisions before.
That is a very valid point. Us fans had started to get ideas above our station regarding league position vs income. We have been punching above our weight and the appointment of a lesser manager has brought a lof fans expectations (mine included) crashing down. A very shrewd appointment it seems as if we had appointed a Rangnick or Ranieri etc a lot of fans would have been expecting us to achieve even more. That on our budget we aren't really capable of achieving.
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Any manager we appoint would be a gamble -
Rangnick - never worked in this country
AVB - not succeeded in this country
Hughton - had a half season in the premier league got sacked
Holloway - One season resulting in relegation from the premier league
Appleton, Mcinnes - Got less than 6 months of been managers in this country
Clarke - never been a manager
All the above have been linked with us and i personally feel all could do a good job, however they all are a gamble, we struck gold with Roy with the timing but other than that our appointments tend to be gambles and they usually pay off, we arent going to get Fergie, Redknapp, Moyes, Jol, Mancini, Wenger, ONeill etc to the Albion and they are the only proven managers in the Premiership.
Rodgers and Lambert both have potential to be great managers (and i think they will do well in the new jobs) but at this stage they have only had one season in the Prem, that dont make you proven, also the clubs they have gone to are bigger than us and pay better than us so we didnt have a chance of getting them.
The only other proven manager was Martinez but it would appear that Liverpool and Villa couldnt get him so you have to say he was out of our league, whether we like it or not.
90% of the appointments and signings we make are gambles, they have to be but most have a point to prove and usually succeed.
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A lot of it is down to expectation levels. Whoever we got had some massive shoes to fill and with our couple of mid table finishes I think some were hoping we would kick on a bit when it comes to signing more well known players and many assume we wont be able to attract them with Clarke as boss. The reality is we are still well in the lower half of the table when it comes to signing players regardless of who the manager is, they all go where the money is these days and we aren't exactly known for throwing it around.
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This reminds me of just such an opportunity that the club have let go. It annoys me so much it really does.
It's just my personal opinion really, that the club, this time, never actually had the opportunity to take. If anything, THIS is the best opportunity, more so than getting the like of Appleton or Hughton.
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Very underwhelmed and I'm annoyed it's taken this long to come to this decision.
However, I'll be 100% behind the bloke. And those who aren't can sod off down the seal sanctuary as far as I'm concerned. We're not Villa fans so don't act like one.
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the politcally correct gang
You take the political cake. Oh~ :-X :P
(Yes, I have been waiting for this opportunity.)
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Is it actually official?
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Is it actually official?
No thank god
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Is it actually official?
No, not yet. Just a huge amount of speculation and media. We shall see. ;)
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I for one am growing a bit tired of all the put-downs being posted about those who are unhappy with this prospective appointment, particularly when the put-downs come from mods. I thought that all views were supposed to be welcomed, as long as they weren't insulting or offensive? One rule for one and one for another it appears.....
Where are the insults and what was offensive in any of the mods posts?
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Fantastic appointment, Steve Clarke is a great coach and remember we are looking for a head coach not a manager, people sayin we won't hold on to players is unreal, there not world beaters and he's worked with much bigger players, no one has ever said a bad thing about him. Clarke knows the premiership more than rangnick? Get behind him instead of slagging him off before hes even got the job!
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There is, but we are hiring a man who has worked with the best. Won every title their is to win in this country. We're also hiring a man with Premier League experienced. What does Holloway have? I'd feel much safer with Clarke than I would a lunatic like Holloway.
He's not won the titles - he's the coach. How much input did he have at Chelsea? Is he responsible for it? How come he didn't do so well at Liverpool? You can't claim the good things at Chelsea as a plus point without accepting how poor Liverpool were. Appointing someone who has never picked a formation for match day as your manager. Brilliant.
I'm not happy with this appointment - once again we take the cheap way out. If we lose Mulumbu, Olsson, Pete, don't sign Foster, and we don't get replacements who are as good as they are, then next year we are going to struggle massively. The only thing we can hope is the newly promoted teams struggled as so Norwich\Swansea with their new managers.
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Here here.I have noticed who gets his support The boys with red and blue letters
Daft thing to say,each of us have our own views.Im 50/50 on Clarke......im convinced he needs slightly bigger names or it wont work under him.Do you have a problem with the mods/admin Jack Russell?
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I for one am growing a bit tired of all the put-downs being posted about those who are unhappy with this prospective appointment, particularly when the put-downs come from mods. I thought that all views were supposed to be welcomed, as long as they weren't insulting or offensive? One rule for one and one for another it appears.....
Fans wishing to have refunds on their season tickets if Clarke is appointed? It's kind of embarrassing really isn't it? If you read the rest of my post you will see, that I said Clarke isn't a brilliant appointment, I'm disappointed but I'm not over reacting with a downpouring of negative drivel. I'm willing to give Clarke a chance and support him.
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While Steve Clarke is not my ideal choice...
Have i missed something as nowhere have i heard Ebenezzer state in a press conference that he is the new coach.
Page after page of speculation tripe and now hysteria...
Im amazed at how easily some of us fall for the rumour and then display righteous indignation when nothing has happened...
Im still holding out for Ralph, but if its not him whoever gets the job will have my backing..
Because having watched the tripe under Saunders,Wylie,Gould,Little,Buckley etc nothing we have these days is that bad!
Reading some of the comments on here confirms why i dont come on here very often...
And i call Vile fans arrogant!
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I'm not happy with this appointment - once again we take the cheap way out. If we lose Mulumbu, Olsson, Pete, don't sign Foster, and we don't get replacements who are as good as they are, then next year we are going to struggle massively. The only thing we can hope is the newly promoted teams struggled as so Norwich\Swansea with their new managers.
That's still a huge if. I wonder if Ralf would've had more of a chance keeping players here, I for one am not so certain.
Either way, I'm not so sure the head coach as a role has much say in it either...
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I see many of those slagging Clarke off are those who were saying Roy should go in January.
Bless the new Prem fans we've acquired and there over expectant rants.
Probably something to do with the dross they were watching at the time
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Couldn't be more disappointed.
I wonder what the boards criteria was, remember we "always" looking to the future for managers, especially as Hodgson was on a short term contract.
They have shot themselves in the foot here.
Be it if they went for the man they wanted with unrealistic transfer budgets / wages? That is still their fault for identifying that person without thinking of the demands / clubs expectations.
If there criteria was to get a cheaper number 2 that will have very little inspiration for fan or player pulling power in a stage where we have finished in the top half of the EPL twice running....... absolutely shocking.
Have we outgrown our backing? Have we reached our peak?
Anyone on here care to disagree with me I would love to have some counter arguments.
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why is everyone stressing over players leaving they are under contract, the squad dont need changing at all, and with a bloke being expieranced with working with bigger players than our current lot, whats wrong?
also moaning about the cheap option, RDM, hodgson, megson? How bad have they done... What was you expecting guardilola
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Daft thing to say,each of us have our own views.Im 50/50 on Clarke......im convinced he needs slightly bigger names or it wont work under him.Do you have a problem with the mods/admin Jack Russell?
No only an ex mod :)
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@lepko Question for football fans: Have #wba #avfc #wwfc #bcfc (#blues ) ever started a new season all with new bosses in charge?
Good question - anyone have an answer? :P
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That's still a huge if. I wonder if Ralf would've had more of a chance keeping players here, I for one am not so certain.
Either way, I'm not so sure the head coach as a role has much say in it either...
Totally agree, half the players would never have heard of rangnick, so why do people think he would keep players here more than Steve Clarke?
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No only an ex mod :)
Then take it out in PM with him.
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Couldn't be more disappointed.
I wonder what the boards criteria was, remember we "always" looking to the future for managers, especially as Hodgson was on a short term contract.
They have shot themselves in the foot here.
They will have only shot themselves in the foot if he is appointed and isn't a success, no one knows how he will get on if he gets the job.
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Right then... so:
Affordable - check
Experience - sort-of-check
Popular - double check (http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/02/04/2336725/there-are-not-many-footballers-who-dont-like-working-with)
Good. Sorted. ;D
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Probably something to do with the dross they were watching at the time
10th wasn't it?
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A world class manager wouldn't be able to propel us any further than what we have already achieved. With the money we spend we have to think outside the box in order to progress; targeting the likes of Rangnick and Clarke suggest that's what we have tried to do in this process. The likes of Hughton would either of seen us stabilize or get worse in my opinion.
Do some people here even enjoy supporting West Brom? Clarke could well be successful and Ragnick may have been a disaster. The only people who can really speculate who is more likely to succeed, with any authority, are those who were involved in the interview process.
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Totally agree, half the players would never have heard of rangnick, so why do people think he would keep players here more than Steve Clarke?
Because of his record and experience as a boss.
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He's not won the titles - he's the coach. How much input did he have at Chelsea? Is he responsible for it? How come he didn't do so well at Liverpool? You can't claim the good things at Chelsea as a plus point without accepting how poor Liverpool were. Appointing someone who has never picked a formation for match day as your manager. Brilliant.
I'm not happy with this appointment - once again we take the cheap way out. If we lose Mulumbu, Olsson, Pete, don't sign Foster, and we don't get replacements who are as good as they are, then next year we are going to struggle massively. The only thing we can hope is the newly promoted teams struggled as so Norwich\Swansea with their new managers.
He was part of a collective coaching group with guided Chelsea to the title. That includes all their physios and fitness staff which help guided Jose and his players to league titles. Liverpool had a rather awkward season if we're honest, they played some very good football but their failure to put the ball in the net is whats let them down. They very much dominated sides at Anfield, however, their failure to score goals cost them. I'd also add Dalglish spending millions and millions and millions on average footballers also played a part in their failure last season. Although, they did win the league cup...
Your second point is something which needs to be discussed at a later date if that actually happens.
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Then take it out in PM with him.
I am not here to cause trouble with anyone.Just to vent my frustration that all.
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It could turn out to be a great signing. BUT the simple fact is that it is probably the most risky.
Yes he worked at Chelsea under Jose... just like the new liverpool manager.
Yes he is highly rated as a coach.
But has there every been any manager appointed to a top ten premier league club as their first post that has succeeded?
I really do hope it is not Clarke, but if it is then I will back him to the hilt like any other manager. It still does not stop the (hopefully) short term disappointment.
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I do wish some posters would get off their high horse.
People are allowed to critically analyse this appointment, and so they should.
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Why??? If Clarke signs we have appointed a very experienced coach. If some Albion fans want their season ticket money back the club should as we dont want those type of fans supporting the club anyway.
Why? I will tell you why. Clarke only became available 3 days ago so JP must have known Rangnick had turned us down or has he? Why dont the club come clean and tell us. I will support Clarke if he is the man and will support the club,but after everything we have heard about other coaches or managers we have spoken to why as it only taken 3 days to get Clarke. I would like to know the truth!!!!!!
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If there criteria was to get a cheaper number 2 that will have very little inspiration for fan or player pulling power in a stage where we have finished in the top half of the EPL twice running....... absolutely shocking.
Have we outgrown our backing? Have we reached our peak?
Technically we finished 11th the season before last so it hasn't been successive top half finishes but even so I understand your frustration. As for reaching our peak I believe we probably have without more financial backing, we have overachieved the last couple of seasons in reality.
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I am not here to cause trouble with anyone.Just to vent my frustration that all.
You do sound like a frustrated little man in all fairness
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They will have only shot themselves in the foot if he is appointed and isn't a success, no one knows how he will get on if he gets the job.
Ultimately you judge an appointment on success correct.
Do you think the boards plan of "pre-planning" has been a success? I am judging their system not the man.
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If Mulumbu,Olsson,Odemwingie want to leave because of the manager then good riddance to the lot of them. Wait a minute Didier Drogba is on a free, steve clarke knows him. Drogba to the baggies :P Of course am just joking :'(
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Because of his record and experience as a boss.
Steve Clarke had the backing of a lot of top managers in the premiership, mourinho arguably the best manager in the world said he was the man who should have replaced him at Chelsea he was that highly rated.
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Couldn't be more disappointed.
I wonder what the boards criteria was, remember we "always" looking to the future for managers, especially as Hodgson was on a short term contract.
They have shot themselves in the foot here.
Be it if they went for the man they wanted with unrealistic transfer budgets / wages? That is still their fault for identifying that person without thinking of the demands / clubs expectations.
If there criteria was to get a cheaper number 2 that will have very little inspiration for fan or player pulling power in a stage where we have finished in the top half of the EPL twice running....... absolutely shocking.
Have we outgrown our backing? Have we reached our peak?
Anyone on here care to disagree with me I would love to have some counter arguments.
No i agree we have reached our peak (not in a negative way), it would be simply astonishing for a club that pay our kind of wages and fees to get into Europe, i have been delighted with the past two season league positions, going into every game i expect nothing and have been delighted with the clubs effort Hodgson was a great manager and he worked wonders this season, how can we push on when we are working with limited finances unless an Arab takes us over we are going to be looking at mid table along with 10 other teams in this league. Some of our fans expected us to beat wigan, norwich, swansea etc at home and said if we didnt win these what chances have you got of staying up ?, funny old world everyone can beat everyone.
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Because of his record and experience as a boss.
What, his isolated minor-regional german trophies, his one lower-major domestic cup (which was practically given to him, as he only managed the final game, and even THAT was against a team in the second division), and his one apparence in the Champions League, where also all of that was already done for him, but struggled as the high fell against Manchester United.
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Where are the insults and what was offensive in any of the mods posts?
I've sent you a PM, as continued discussion of this is off-topic really.
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I do wish some posters would get off their high horse.
People are allowed to critically analyse this appointment, and so they should.
But comments like we're doomed, we're getting relegated, and I want my season ticket money back are hardly 'critical analyse' they're , well, idiotic to be frank
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Ultimately you judge an appointment on success correct.
Do you think the boards plan of "pre-planning" has been a success? I am judging their system not the man.
No idea what work goes into it behind the scenes so I can't really judge the system. All I can go by is our previous appointments that all worked out reasonably well and would have been using the same system they have used this time.
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Steve Clarke had the backing of a lot of top managers in the premiership, mourinho arguably the best manager in the world said he was the man who should have replaced him at Chelsea he was that highly rated.
So that's what the king of the sound bite said. Everything the special one says should be taken with a pinch of salt. The risks associated with signing someone who has never. Een a number one are massive - too big.
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But comments like we're doomed, we're getting relegated, and I want my season ticket money back are hardly 'critical analyse' they're , well, idiotic to be frank
And thats the point I was making...
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I am not here to cause trouble with anyone.Just to vent my frustration that all.
In that case mate I'd stop the bitching and start posting decent like you normally do.For what its worth I'm a bit let down, I got carried away with the Rangnick, AVB, Ranieri lines but whoever else gets the job you have to give them a fair chance. I notice you a big Holloway fan, theres no way he would be on my list yet if he had got our job I'd be behind him from the start and giving a fair go not slaughtering the bloke before the jobs even taken. Not all us Mods/admin think the same regardless of red or blue writing.
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And thats the point I was making...
Me too.......
(As an ex mod ;D )
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10th wasn't it?
Yes 10th.Best finish in the premier league
i suppose i grew up watching the late seventies side could be an issue why i have a problem with the football most likely to be served next season.Swansea played some lovely stuff with probably inferior players.Steve Clarke is a dour Scot which will most likely rub off on the way we play next season.I cant really see him inspiring our superstars but i will hold my hands up if i am wrong.Lets just see this time next you who will be the one saying i told you so.
I am sure if we fstay up all will be forgiven
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But comments like we're doomed, we're getting relegated, and I want my season ticket money back are hardly 'critical analyse' they're , well, idiotic to be frank
No, they're not. But I have also seen legitimate observations dismissed completely out of hand.
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I suppose appointing Clarke is a return to our structure.
He seems a good coach by all means and hopefully it will work.
Ability to motivate players perhaps an issue. We won't know until he is here. Can he give that half time speech to turn a game in our favour?
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What, his isolated minor-regional german trophies, his one lower-major domestic cup (which was practically given to him, as he only managed the final game, and even THAT was against a team in the second division), and his one apparence in the Champions League, where also all of that was already done for him, but struggled as the high fell against Manchester United.
Champions league semi finalist. Brought Hanover all the way through the leagues. Mate you might want to moderate your tone as well that sounded like a bit of a rant and somewhat uncalled for.
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Swansea played some lovely stuff with probably inferior players.
I'd rather play golf than have to watch that dross again. But then again, I've always liked the 'Holloway tactic'. ;D
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I don't think I'm going to comment on any more Albion related issues just stick to the general sports threads etc...
SOME (not all) people's reactions are quite frankly insane. We are talking about real life, real peoples decisions not some text based game (ala FM) where if you want something to happen it will. RR's family could have said we are not moving to England, Rainieri felt he could probably do better and get more money (like most people who apply for normal jobs may also feel).
Football to some extent is in it's own little world no doubt about it, but people are still involved as are emotions, greed, ambition. People may well be underwhelmed by something but to react how some are is just baffling.
Support the new head coach, if he's rubbish then he's rubbish, if he's good then people will be eating their words. Just take the news like you would any other, on the chin get on with your life and wait to see what happens in the new season.
Now I'm off to enjoy a summer of Euro fun ;D
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Well hes not been appointed yet, but seems almost as nailed on as Hughton was last time :D
Seriously if Ralf did put us off so he could look in to the Belgian job then a) he aint 100% up for it and b) it serves him right .
Sometimes its better to go with apettite rather than flair , bit like Hodgsons team set up ??
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Champions league semi finalist. Brought Hanover all the way through the leagues. Mate you might want to moderate your tone as well that sounded like a bit of a rant and somewhat uncalled for.
Not at all, just a small list. I never though Rangnick had such a good pedigree as some thought, really. At least, not so much higher than Clarke that we should be worrying as much as we are. :P
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I hope it isn't to be honest but I'll get behind him, we aren't Blackburn!
Just a little underwhelming but I rangnick said no there's not really anyone left
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That's still a huge if. I wonder if Ralf would've had more of a chance keeping players here, I for one am not so certain.
Either way, I'm not so sure the head coach as a role has much say in it either...
But it's possible. A new manager that's learning the ropes might take the current Albion team and do alright in the Prem. Keep us clear of the bottom at least. A team without all the star players and a manager who has never picked a starting 11. That's going to struggle.
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I wouldn't worry about Clarke not attracting names. Names cost money, something we don't have. Despite what people think we are not a big club. Clarke doesn't excite me but neither do the majority of the other names banded about. Probably the best available to suit our tight budget.
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But it's possible. A new manager that's learning the ropes might take the current Albion team and do alright in the Prem. Keep us clear of the bottom at least. A team without all the star players and a manager who has never picked a starting 11. That's going to struggle.
It's a wonder then whether that could be one of the downfalls of the head coach system, as maybe the big name men who would antice them to stay put wouldn't want to work where they don't have control of the money. I don't know if we could attract the calibre 'manager' that would improve the club with this system. I guess it's just about trying to get the balance right really, and people will have different definitions about where that is.
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Well here goes... First post!
I as well as many others have been reading, watching and dreaming of our potential new manager/head coach.
I have no idea where this will end or even when, but as no name has been mentioned directly from the club I am not going to draw my own conclusion from media hype.
I do hope it gets solved soon as do most others on here as I can then sit back and watch the player signing merry go round in a few weeks time!
Whoever we get and whatever league we end up in, I will always be an Albion fan!!
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Nothing wrong with reasoned posts voicing concerns, it's the posters running around screaming like little girls that is getting short shrift.
I'm actually a bit shocked to see so many posters and Albion fans freaking out like this. W T F?
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Couldn't be more disappointed.
I wonder what the boards criteria was, remember we "always" looking to the future for managers, especially as Hodgson was on a short term contract.
They have shot themselves in the foot here.
Be it if they went for the man they wanted with unrealistic transfer budgets / wages? That is still their fault for identifying that person without thinking of the demands / clubs expectations.
If there criteria was to get a cheaper number 2 that will have very little inspiration for fan or player pulling power in a stage where we have finished in the top half of the EPL twice running....... absolutely shocking.
Have we outgrown our backing? Have we reached our peak?
Anyone on here care to disagree with me I would love to have some counter arguments.
This is something I am also critical of. They should know what top-rated managers/head coaches expect, Ranieri being the perfect example. Naivety?
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It's a wonder then whether that could be one of the downfalls of the head coach system, as maybe the big name men who would antice them to stay put wouldn't want to work they they don't have control of the money. I don't know if we could attract the calibre 'manager' that would improve the club with this system. I guess it's just about trying to get the balance right really, and people will have difference definitions about where that is.
It's not just the manager who has to persuade them to say, it's JP. He has to make it known that we're pushing on, we're aiming higher, we want to achieve something and that we're ambitious. The clubs ambitions need to match those of the players - currently they don't.
All the signs JP is sending out with this appointment is that we're still doing things on the cheap and just trundling along is good.
This is a hugely risky appointment, ignore the job title - it's irrelevant. Clarke has never picked a starting eleven nor managed a side. He might be great - it still doesn't mean it isn't a huge risk.
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I'm actually a bit shocked to see so many posters and Albion fans freaking out like this. W T F?
Signing a man who has never managed a football team, while the bulk of our star players want away with a board that doesn't want to spend money. Yeah, can't see why anyone would be concerned.
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It's not just the manager who has to persuade them to say, it's JP. He has to make it known that we're pushing on, we're aiming higher, we want to achieve something and that we're ambitious. The clubs ambitions need to match those of the players - currently they don't.
All the signs JP is sending out with this appointment is that we're still doing things on the cheap and just trundling along is good.
This is a hugely risky appointment, ignore the job title - it's irrelevant. Clarke has never picked a starting eleven nor managed a side. He might be great - it still doesn't mean it isn't a huge risk.
Well, in this case, for the least amount of risk, Hughton was probably the least risky, and most probably (because of Birmingham) cost more. However, I can't help but still see Clarke as having a bigger name than him.
I'm not sure. It is a risk, but we need to take them I guess to sustain and improve the club, as we can't really do anything else to secure that. :-X
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I love how people assume he wasnt our first target.
We havent come out with any quotes from Ashworth/Peace etc stating at any point that 'insert name' is the man we want.
All the Hughtons, Ranieris, Ragnicks have been from media or agent work.
Only comment weve made is that we HAVENT offered Ragnick the job.
So for people to say Clarke is 'last resort' or 'lack of amibtion' really is naive of some fans as for all we know he could have been the man we signalled our intentions on from the word go!
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I love how people assume he wasnt our first target.
We havent come out with any quotes from Ashworth/Peace etc stating at any point that 'insert name' is the man we want.
All the Hughtons, Ranieris, Ragnicks have been from media or agent work.
Only comment weve made is that we HAVENT offered Ragnick the job.
So for people to say Clarke is 'last resort' or 'lack of amibtion' really is naive of some fans as for all we know he could have been the man we signalled our intentions on from the word go!
I'd suggest that if Clarke was indeed our first choice it wouldn't have taken over a month to make the appointment.
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I have to say I was certainly more excited about the appointments of Mowbray, RDM and Roy. The first two had management experience, were exciting young prospects and were making noises in the game.
To be honest I'm a bit bemused by it all. First team coach at a poor Liverpool side where the manager got the sack for underachieving, left West Ham by 'mutual consent' after the side just about avoided relegation and was part of a coaching team at Chelsea over 5 years ago, in another era for the club really. He's never managed a side himself.
Still, lets see how he does, it might turn out to be a master stroke.
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also moaning about the cheap option, RDM, hodgson, megson? How bad have they done... What was you expecting guardilola
To be fair, RDM and Mowbray were both very bright young attractive prospects who were making noises in the game as coaches at a lower lever. They were being warmly touted around in the media as future managerial stars before they even came to us. As far as Roy goes, sure I suspect we got him relatively cheap for a guy of his stature in the game, but I doubt he was on pennies.
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Signing a man who has never managed a football team, while the bulk of our star players want away with a board that doesn't want to spend money. Yeah, can't see why anyone would be concerned.
Where is the proof the bulk of our stars want away? There is a lot of talk and wishful thinking, but that is normal with football players. Clarke if nothing else is a pro through and through. What remains to be seen is if he is cut out for leadership, but why wouldn't he? All we can do is give him a chance, but to freak out over imagined possibilities and worst case scenarios before they are even close to happening is madness frankly. People seriously need to get a grip on reality here.
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I'd suggest that if Clarke was indeed our first choice it wouldn't have taken over a month to make the appointment.
It's not like we're being pressed for time. :P
The only thing where time is against us perhaps is players wanting to move anywhere. But, then again, most players are on their holidays or at other competitions, not currently training and looking to move.
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I love how people assume he wasnt our first target.
Why else would it take us 6 weeks to do what other clubs manage to do in a few days? Perhaps the hard disk failed on the machine containing our database of coaches that we're regularly maintaining.....
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It doesn't matter who the manager / head coach is. It doesn't matter who the players are. It doesn't matter who the chairmen and directors are. We are Albion fans, and we should support the club no matter what.
If Steve Clarke is to be our new manager, we should all accept that, stop spitting the dummies out or throwing the toys out of the pram, and get on with it.
If we start going on like Blackburn..."You're not good enough for us, you're not a big enough name, we're going to protest every game"...then we will go like Blackburn.
People are so concerned about people leaving. Who is really going to make an offer for Olsson or Odemwingie that we cannot refuse? Mulumbu is under contract until 2015, and there will be few clubs prepared to pay what we want for him. And Foster wants to stay in the Midlands, not just the Premier League. That means us or Villa, and Villa have Shay Given.
Just deal with who our manager is / will be, and start hoping for his success, otherwise you will be a reason for our failure.
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Why? I will tell you why. Clarke only became available 3 days ago so JP must have known Rangnick had turned us down or has he? Why dont the club come clean and tell us. I will support Clarke if he is the man and will support the club,but after everything we have heard about other coaches or managers we have spoken to why as it only taken 3 days to get Clarke. I would like to know the truth!!!!!!
He was interviewed 2 weeks ago!
But dont let the facts get in the way of a good rant
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It's not just the manager who has to persuade them to say, it's JP. He has to make it known that we're pushing on, we're aiming higher, we want to achieve something and that we're ambitious. The clubs ambitions need to match those of the players - currently they don't.
All the signs JP is sending out with this appointment is that we're still doing things on the cheap and just trundling along is good.
This is a hugely risky appointment, ignore the job title - it's irrelevant. Clarke has never picked a starting eleven nor managed a side. He might be great - it still doesn't mean it isn't a huge risk.
he has - Newcastle as caretaker manager - lost 5-1 to man u.............
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Also, please don't forget to keep other team's appointments elsewhere (http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?board=19.0), please.
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How can you not be frustrated that it's taken 6 weeks to get a manager, one who nobody really wanted at the start with the worst part being no explanation as to why we haven't appointed any of the other candidates? That is why people are frustrated.
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How can you not be frustrated that it's taken 6 weeks to get a manager, one who nobody really wanted at the start with the worst part being no explanation as to why we haven't appointed any of the other candidates? That is why people are frustrated.
I'd only be frustrated if the wait would have effected us in any way. As far as we can tell for the moment, there's no sign of that. Managers and head coaches come and go, leave and get taken, but, the time you have should always be used to it's maximum. At least, in my view. :)
Perhaps it's just the need of everyone for news and information. People are hungery for it.
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Another thing that is worth noting: all these posters whinging about our fans reaction being akin to the Villa's and Blackburn's fans reaction....can you not think of any better examples? after all, their fans were right. Both managers in question did a thoroughly awful job and the fans were proved right.
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I'd suggest that if Clarke was indeed our first choice it wouldn't have taken over a month to make the appointment.
Maybe he was and he hasnt techincally become 'available' until the other day when he officially left.
If we had approached L'pool whilst he was still there he would have cost us, where as waiting for them to appoint a new manager who didnt want him as his assistant left us a clear run at him.
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Another thing that is worth noting: all these posters whinging about our fans reaction being akin to the Villa's and Blackburn's fans reaction....can you not think of any better examples? after all, their fans were right. Both managers in question did a thoroughly awful job and the fans were proved right.
Don't forget Sammy Lee, Les Reid and Terry Connor.
For every Hughton that succeeds you have eight or nine that don't.
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Another thing that is worth noting: all these posters whinging about our fans reaction being akin to the Villa's and Blackburn's fans reaction....can you not think of any better examples? after all, their fans were right. Both managers in question did a thoroughly awful job and the fans were proved right.
Pardew ??
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Another thing that is worth noting: all these posters whinging about our fans reaction being akin to the Villa's and Blackburn's fans reaction....can you not think of any better examples? after all, their fans were right. Both managers in question did a thoroughly awful job and the fans were proved right.
That's a good point, and although I'd probably put a tiny fraction of the poor performance being caused by a few of the fans themselves, I'd also say that the people in charge of those clubs have, for the large part, been detested by their fans. At least here, we've had a rather nice grace period where Jeremy Peace and co have essentially been like God. :P :-X
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Maybe he was and he hasnt techincally become 'available' until the other day when he officially left.
If we had approached L'pool whilst he was still there he would have cost us, where as waiting for them to appoint a new manager who didnt want him as his assistant left us a clear run at him.
I'd like to believe that, I'm just not sure I can.
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Maybe he was and he hasnt techincally become 'available' until the other day when he officially left.
If we had approached L'pool whilst he was still there he would have cost us, where as waiting for them to appoint a new manager who didnt want him as his assistant left us a clear run at him.
Come on, wake up and smell the coffee, you don't really believe Clarke has been the unanimous and number one target from the start do you?
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Pardew ??
Possibly. He did have managerial experience, though.
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I'd like to believe that, I'm just not sure I can.
Something tells me we won't know any of the truth for quite a long while. Damn I hate secrecy. I'd bank that most of the media does as well, but a select few are used to it by filling the gaps with nonsence.
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Yes 10th.Best finish in the premier league
i suppose i grew up watching the late seventies side could be an issue why i have a problem with the football most likely to be served next season.Swansea played some lovely stuff with probably inferior players.Steve Clarke is a dour Scot which will most likely rub off on the way we play next season.I cant really see him inspiring our superstars but i will hold my hands up if i am wrong.Lets just see this time next you who will be the one saying i told you so.
I am sure if we fstay up all will be forgiven
I agree with you regarding his character or the impression he gives at least. He does indeed seem a dour type, that was my one reservation on him when I heard he was linked and he doesn’t really inspire you as a ‘leader of men’. However I have formed much of this impression based mostly on his touchline demeanour and you rarely see him give interviews, so again it’s hard to form any other opinion.
However to counter this and what has filled me with confidence is the high regard in which his training methods are thought of. His sessions sound exhilarating, exciting and innovative, he also renowned for organising, disciplining sides and making sure they are well drilled. Players improve under his guidance and although at Chelsea they played rather functional football his own footballing philosophies are somewhat more exciting. Although the tone of his voice and his body language may leave a dour impression his coaching certainly won’t and I’m sure anyone who has worked with Mourinho so closely for 3 years will have learnt something about inspiring individuals and galvanising team spirit. As well as this he was a disciplined defender so you’d hope our recent improvement in that department will continue (although Mowbray was a blood and guts defender so that might be a weak point to make!)
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Come on, wake up and smell the coffee, you don't really believe Clarke has been the unanimous and number one target from the start do you?
I dont for one second believe he was the number 1 target from the off, but im trying to make sense of it (assuming he was the number 1 choice).
No doubt we'll be told he was the number one target if he gets the job.
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Maybe he was and he hasnt techincally become 'available' until the other day when he officially left.
If we had approached L'pool whilst he was still there he would have cost us, where as waiting for them to appoint a new manager who didnt want him as his assistant left us a clear run at him.
Can't believe we have to hope Liverpool were going to sack Kenny, a new manager gets appointed and then decides to get rid of his assistant all to get our first choice.
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Wasn't Clarke an extremely well paid assistant? Expensive compensation until he left.
Don't get me wrong I still don't think he was our first choice though - but he may well have been a leading contender, the change of circumstances may have confirmed it for him.
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Don't forget Sammy Lee, Les Reid and Terry Connor.
For every Hughton that succeeds you have eight or nine that don't.
But that is true of managers as well. Very, very few people succeed long term as managers. Obviously we all knew that if Rangnick turned us down the next candidate would pale in comparison, but people freaking out before the training camp even has started is clearly over the top.
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It doesn't matter who the manager / head coach is. It doesn't matter who the players are. It doesn't matter who the chairmen and directors are. We are Albion fans, and we should support the club no matter what.
If Steve Clarke is to be our new manager, we should all accept that, stop spitting the dummies out or throwing the toys out of the pram, and get on with it.
If we start going on like Blackburn..."You're not good enough for us, you're not a big enough name, we're going to protest every game"...then we will go like Blackburn.
People are so concerned about people leaving. Who is really going to make an offer for Olsson or Odemwingie that we cannot refuse? Mulumbu is under contract until 2015, and there will be few clubs prepared to pay what we want for him. And Foster wants to stay in the Midlands, not just the Premier League. That means us or Villa, and Villa have Shay Given.
Just deal with who our manager is / will be, and start hoping for his success, otherwise you will be a reason for our failure.
You're right that we're fans and should support the club no matter what, but we're also customers. And as a customer you should have the right to complain if you're not happy with something.
Like I said last night, the more I learn about him the more I'm swayed, but if others feel differently than surely they have the right to air those views on a message board. However 'idiotic' they may be.
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Wasn't Clarke an extremely well paid assistant? Expensive compensation until he left.
Don't get me wrong I still don't think he was our first choice though - but he may well have been a leading contender, the change of circumstances may have confirmed it for him.
Media reports currently that Clarke might be on £1 million per season. I remember reports about Hodgson being on £1.5 Million, so I don't expect it to make that much difference. Just the media, though. :P
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Something tells me we won't know any of the truth for quite a long while. Damn I hate secrecy. I'd bank that most of the media does as well, but a select few are used to it by filling the gaps with nonsence.
Yeah, you're right. I just wish there was slightly more transparency. If Clarke was the first choice then fair enough, but if he wasn't , tell us the truth and don't lie to us. It'll be an interesting press conference, that's for sure.
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Yeah, you're right. I just wish there was slightly more transparency. If Clarke was the first choice then fair enough, but if he wasn't , tell us the truth and don't lie to us. It'll be an interesting press conference, that's for sure.
Don't you remember the Roy conference? :P It's the only one I've ever seen where the media left with less information than they came in with. ;D
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There doesn't seem to be a football club out there nowadays who don't land their 'first choice'.
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There doesn't seem to be a football club out there nowadays who don't land their 'first choice'.
That's true. I'd wonder if Mowbray, RDM or even Hodgson were our fist ports of call.
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Can't believe we have to hope Liverpool were going to sack Kenny, a new manager gets appointed and then decides to get rid of his assistant all to get our first choice.
What has that got to do with anything?
What matters is if DA and JP think Clarke is up to the job, and they clearly seem to have come to that conclusion having interviewed a lot of very experienced people over the last few weeks. All the rest, this board's, and the media's, speculation about Hughton et al simply remains speculation. All we can do is respect DA's and JP's judgement in this case, until we can see for ourselves what Clarke's plans and methods are.
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People saying that the club should offer an explanation as to why other candidates weren't approached/appointed are wrong...Clearly Clarke wasn't our first choice and he most likely knows this so it would be wrong to explain the reasons as to why the other four/five candidates weren't appointed!
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Another thing that is worth noting: all these posters whinging about our fans reaction being akin to the Villa's and Blackburn's fans reaction....can you not think of any better examples? after all, their fans were right. Both managers in question did a thoroughly awful job and the fans were proved right.
Disagree mate,i thought Mcleish was doing a fantastic job...
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People saying that the club should offer an explanation as to why other candidates weren't approached/appointed are wrong...Clearly Clarke wasn't our first choice and he most likely knows this so it would be wrong to explain the reasons as to why the other four/five candidates weren't appointed!
Well, the club don't really have to to us because, sadly, as a business, they don't have a responsibility to us. It's staying in the Premier League which is the most risky thing to lose. I think we'll have to leave any issues to internal matters within.
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Think we also need to remember that Wilkins was interviewed also, who in my eyes isnt too much different to Steve Clarke.
Maybe that is the mold of appointment we were looking at.
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Keep calm and carry on, eh?
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Some people clearly forget that we aren't looking for a 'manager' we are looking first and foremost for a 'coach' and there is no doubting that Steve Clarke is a very good coach. One of the reasons we haven't gone for Hughton during our last two managerial searches was his insistance on having full control of transfers etc we have JP and DA to handle that.
Steve Clarke has done all of his coaching work in the Premier League and was second in command to Jose Mourinho during Chelsea's most successful period of the last decade. He wont suddenly be thrown into a whole new world of football management with us, he will be allowed to coach, continuing on from what Hodgson started and sticking to what he is best at.
As a coach he obviously has something about him and shouldn't be immediately doubted. He may not have been first choice but I don't see how it is a 'poor' appointment. Afterall, as a coach he has won two PL titles, an FA Cup and three League Cups in the last decade. Can anyone seriously expect us to appoint a current 'manager' with a record like that?!
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What has that got to do with anything?
What matters is if DA and JP thinks Clarke is up to the job, and they clearly seem to have come to that conclusion having interviewed a lot of very experienced people over the last few weeks. All the rest, this board's, and the media's, speculation about Hughton et al simply remains speculation. All we can do is respect DA's and JP's judgement in this case, until we can see for ourselves what Clarke's plans and methods are.
It was in response to someone's thought about how he could have been our number 1 choice and it taking so long.
I'd like us to have hired a manager who has well, managed. Someone to see us through the tricky 3rd season, especially if we're going to be losing players.
If we were bringing him on board purely as a coach I'd be over the moon, we're not, he's going to be the manager. He's going to be responsible for team selection, tactics, all the stuff he has never been responsible before. All the while we're struggling to hold on to our team.
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Some people clearly forget that we aren't looking for a 'manager' we are looking first and foremost for a 'coach' and there is no doubting that Steve Clarke is a very good coach. One of the reasons we haven't gone for Hughton during our last two managerial searches was his insistance on having full control of transfers etc we have JP and DA to handle that.
Steve Clarke has done all of his coaching work in the Premier League and was second in command to Jose Mourinho during Chelsea's most successful period of the last decade. He wont suddenly be thrown into a whole new world of football management with us, he will be allowed to coach, continuing on from what Hodgson started and sticking to what he is best at.
As a coach he obviously has something about him and shouldn't be immediately doubted. He may not have been first choice but I don't see how it is a 'poor' appointment. Afterall, as a coach he has won two PL titles, an FA Cup and three League Cups in the last decade. Can anyone seriously expect us to appoint a current 'manager' with a record like that?!
Cracking post, echo'd everyone of my thoughts.
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Some people clearly forget that we aren't looking for a 'manager' we are looking first and foremost for a 'coach' and there is no doubting that Steve Clarke is a very good coach. One of the reasons we haven't gone for Hughton during our last two appointments was his insistance on having full control of transfers etc we have JP and DA to handle that.
Steve Clarke has done all of his coaching work in the Premier League and was second in command to Jose Mourinho during Chelsea's most successful period of the last decade. He wont suddenly be thrown into a whole new world of football management with us, he will be allowed to coach, continuing on from what Hodgson started.
As a coach he obviously has something about him and shouldn't be immediately doubted. He may not have been first choice but I don't see how it is a 'poor' appointment.
No. We're looking for a manager. Let's not kid ourselves and try to dress this up as the 'right' thing. I know people want to make it look like everything is great but let's stop trying to equate an assistant with what the manager does.
The role we have and what other clubs typically have only differs on the scouting and signing players side.
Put it this way, Mourinho is a great manager yes? What did he do at Chelsea? Why is he a great manager? What was he doing that Clarke wasn't doing?
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He's going to be responsible for team selection, tactics, all the stuff he has never been responsible before.
I'd imagine though he's certainly had his own views and ideas about how to do these things, and I imagine one of the bad things for him before, was trying to understand how the manager wanted to play, and then coaching the players to play that way. This time round, there won't be any communication issues, how we want to play will be taught exactly that.
IF he gets the job. :P
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Why is he a great manager? What was he doing that Clarke wasn't doing?
The role we have and what other clubs typically have only differs on the scouting and signing players side.
Answered your own question? :P
Also, the finance side I'd imagine was partially done by the manager. We have Dan Ashworth who (so we're told) is purely responsible for that.
Team selections and tactical methods, I'd like to think that in a truely great set up, would have an equal amount of input from ALL coaches to the decision maker, who is often the manager. In this set up, the head coach is the decider. So, the only difference from before is that he gets to say "yes" to a player ready to be signed and to decide on a way to play football.
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I'd imagine though he's certainly had his own views and ideas about how to do these things, and I imagine one of the bad things for him before, was trying to understand how the manager wanted to play, and then coaching the players to play that way. This time round, there won't be any communication issues, how we want to play will be taught exactly that.
IF he gets the job. :P
That's great. I've got views and ideas on how to do those things. Can I have the job? We're still signing a person who has no experience managing. Sign him up as coach? Brilliant appointment. Signing him up as manager, incredibly risky. There's plenty of proof that it's not an easy step up - it's why managers start off at the lower leagues and work their ways up.
If it was just a case like the one you state then Terry Connor would have done a decent job for Wolves, as it was, he was worse than Mick.
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No. We're looking for a manager. Let's not kid ourselves and try to dress this up as the 'right' thing. I know people want to make it look like everything is great but let's stop trying to equate an assistant with what the manager does.
The role we have and what other clubs typically have only differs on the scouting and signing players side.
Put it this way, Mourinho is a great manager yes? What did he do at Chelsea? Why is he a great manager? What was he doing that Clarke wasn't doing?
No. We are looking for a new head coach. Ever since Di Matteo and possibly even the latter stages of the Mowbray reign we have operated with DA as technical director thus meaning we don't have an out and out manager. The role of the coach is primarily to coach the players, can you argue with Clarke's record as a coach? Personally, I don't think so.
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That's great. I've got views and ideas on how to do those things. Can I have the job? We're still signing a person who has no experience managing. Sign him up as coach? Brilliant appointment. Signing him up as manager, incredibly risky. There's plenty of proof that it's not an easy step up - it's why managers start off at the lower leagues and work their ways up.
If it was just a case like the one you state then Terry Connor would have done a decent job for Wolves, as it was, he was worse than Mick.
It is risky. But, I think it's a risk we either must take, or would be a fool not to take.
After all, no one ever moves up anywhere, clubs or people, without taking risks. I feel that, perhaps apart from one name on offer, that this was one of the better risks to take.
Pure managers would probably be even more risky, as they'd want to get their greedy spending mitts on the money to splash it out here and there.
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No. We're looking for a manager. Let's not kid ourselves and try to dress this up as the 'right' thing. I know people want to make it look like everything is great but let's stop trying to equate an assistant with what the manager does.
The role we have and what other clubs typically have only differs on the scouting and signing players side.
Put it this way, Mourinho is a great manager yes? What did he do at Chelsea? Why is he a great manager? What was he doing that Clarke wasn't doing?
Couldn't agree more - people sem to be trying to sugar coat it by saying we only need a coach. The role he will have will have more responsibilty, pressure and visibilty that he's had before. He may sink he may swim (I hope the latter).
Brian Kidd had an equal if not better record, just because he's coached Chelsea doesn't mean he'll be a great manager - I just hope he doesn't change the way he works because he's now the main man.
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Answered your own question? :P
Also, the finance side I'd imagine was partially done by the manager. We have Dan Ashworth who (so we're told) is purely responsible for that.
Team selections and tactical methods, I'd like to think that in a truely good set up, would have an equal amount of input from ALL coaches to the decision maker, who is often the manager. In this set up, the head coach is the decider. So, the only difference from before is that he gets to say "yes" to a player ready to be signed and to decide on a way to play football.
By that logic are you saying the only stuff Mourinho does that makes him great is scouting and signing players? Finance doen't really come into it, if you watch any of the fly on the wall documentaries, like the one on QPR, you'll see the manager has very little input into finance.
Obviously the manager's job is more involved then. Mourinho has this reputation because he's good, where ever he's been, and it must extend to more than assigning scouts. If Clarke was so great, why didn't Liverpool do well? You can't say "he was one of the reasons why Chelsea were great, but it wasn't his fault Liverpool were rubbish".
It's a big risk no matter which way people try and paint it. Just hoping things turn out ok because "head coach" and "coach" are similar phrases is crazy.
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Clarke is no spring chicken. He is a seasoned pro and I'm sure he knows all about the X's and the O's and team selection etc. But is he imaginative and intelligent enough to actually lead when things are tough? Nobody knows and the only way to find out is to give him a go. And I'd rather roll the dice on someone like Clarke than go with a known quantity who has proven to be limited.
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No. We are looking for a new head coach. Ever since Di Matteo and possibly even the latter stages of the Mowbray reign we have operated with DA as technical director thus meaning we don't have an out and out manager. The role of the coach is primarily to coach the players, can you argue with Clarke's record as a coach? Personally, I don't think so.
theres no arguing with his record as a coach - thats not the point. Kiely's one of our coaches - how many times do you think he picked the tactics and starting 11 last season? There's a BIG difference between the man running the training sessions and the man running the team.
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It's a big risk no matter which way people try and paint it. Just hoping things turn out ok because "head coach" and "coach" are similar phrases is crazy.
Of course it's a risk, we couldn't avoid taking one, it seems. I would like to think of "head coach" as a nice compromise between manager and coach. This is why Roy was a very good head coach, as it was noticeable he always got on the field to coach himself, where as RDM got involved far less, at least as far as I can remember.
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theres no arguing with his record as a coach - thats not the point. Kiely's one of our coaches - how many times do you think he picked the tactics and starting 11 last season? There's a BIG difference between the man running the training sessions and the man running the team.
Firstly, I'd think that Downing would be a better choice for tactics than Kiely. One's a goalkeeping coach. :P
On the flip side, Clarke has been as far in that direction as a coach can go at the top level for quite some time.
Nether-the-less, we'll have to see how the risk pays off.
IF he gets the job. #Dejavu
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Couldn't agree more - people sem to be trying to sugar coat it by saying we only need a coach. The role he will have will have more responsibilty, pressure and visibilty that he's had before. He may sink he may swim (I hope the latter).
Brian Kidd had an equal if not better record, just because he's coached Chelsea doesn't mean he'll be a great manager - I just hope he doesn't change the way he works because he's now the main man.
Let's put this manager/coach thing to bed.
We are looking for a HEAD coach. i.e. someone to coach the players but also to pick the team and organise the tactics. No one can reasonably deny that Clarke is a great pick for the former, it is his total lack of experience with the latter that is causing concern.
We will no doubt see how he does but we have no real evidence to base our opinions on at the moment. That is why we have to go for a gut instinct and most seem to feel that it is a massive risk i.e. poor decision.
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No. We are looking for a new head coach. Ever since Di Matteo and possibly even the latter stages of the Mowbray reign we have operated with DA as technical director thus meaning we don't have an out and out manager. The role of the coach is primarily to coach the players, can you argue with Clarke's record as a coach? Personally, I don't think so.
No. And if we were hiring Clarke as a coach I'd be over the moon. Honestly, it's a little embarrassing all this clinging on to "we don't need a 'manager' we need a coach" business.
A manager has a set of responsibilities. Chief of these is setting up how the team plays, who plays and where, what tactics we use, how we line up, subs. All the stuff we see managers doing - up until now Clarke hasn't dealt with that. He's been told what the players need to do and has been very good in getting them to do it.
Can you list the responsibilities of both "manager" and "coach"? Like how Mourinho and Clarke split things up? Because I fail to see how with a Mourinho and Clarke to choose from our ideal choice would be Clarke as he'd be most well suited and Mourinho would be skilled in things we wouldn't need.
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Clarke is no spring chicken. He is a seasoned pro and I'm sure he knows all about the X's and the O's and team selection etc. But is he imaginative and intelligent enough to actually lead when things are tough? Nobody knows and the only way to find out is to give him a go. And I'd rather roll the dice on someone like Clarke than go with a known quantity who has proven to be limited.
Why is "proven to be limited" our only other option?
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I'd rather take a risk on a fantastic coach with no "managerial" experience, than taking a risk on an actual manager who's likely to want more power of the team and club than he's allowed. There's more chance of harmony and success with the former, I feel.
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Let's put this manager/coach thing to bed.
We are looking for a HEAD coach. i.e. someone to coach the players but also to pick the team and organise the tactics. No one can reasonably deny that Clarke is a great pick for the former, it is his total lack of experience with the latter that is causing concern.
We will no doubt see how he does but we have no real evidence to base our opinions on at the moment. That is why we have to go for a gut instinct and most seem to feel that it is a massive risk i.e. poor decision.
I agree. I would just argue that picking the team, organising the tactics and all that stuff is absolutely vital. It's why the managers who do it right (Mourinho) are valuable, and the ones who do it wrong (Terry Connor) are valueless.
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I think saying the role is head coach, and Steve Clarke is a great coach so there'll be no issue is a bit of a falacy. How many times has Steve Clarke picked a starting 11? How many times has Steve Clarke been responsible for tactics? How many times has Steve Clarke given team talks? How many times has Steve Clarke been responsible for making substitutions to change a game? All these things are so important leading up to, and during match days, that I do think the distinction is an important one.
Look at Appleton's one game in charge against West Ham. And he by all accounts is a great coach.
I'm not saying it won't work. I hope it does. I just think dismissing concerns that he's only coached and not managed as irrelevant is foolish.
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I agree. I would just argue that picking the team, organising the tactics and all that stuff is absolutely vital. It's why the managers who do it right (Mourinho) are valuable, and the ones who do it wrong (Terry Connor) are valueless.
I seem to remember, on here at least, that most disassociated with RDM because of this matter. Now he was a manager. :-X
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Couldn't agree more - people sem to be trying to sugar coat it by saying we only need a coach. The role he will have will have more responsibilty, pressure and visibilty that he's had before. He may sink he may swim (I hope the latter).
Brian Kidd had an equal if not better record, just because he's coached Chelsea doesn't mean he'll be a great manager - I just hope he doesn't change the way he works because he's now the main man.
Spot on - Head Coach is vastly different to a general coach - if this wasn't the case then I am prity sure Appy would have got it.
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I'd rather take a risk on a fantastic coach with no "managerial" experience, than taking a risk on an actual manager who's likely to want more power of the team and club than he's allowed. There's more chance of harmony and success with the former, I feel.
Why? Why don't you think Clarke would feel the same frustration as our past managers? They weren't annoyed because it was a power thing - they were annoyed because it limits your abilities to shape the team. Why would Clarke be any different? If he thinks we need to have a better option in midfield but is told that he can't have one why would he be fine with that?
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At least sky haven't managed to find any idiots / lunatics at the hawthorns to embarrass us. Just seen the interviews and they all came across pretty well. No one buzzin yet no one ranting. No fuel for the dingles and seals on the national media.
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theres no arguing with his record as a coach - thats not the point. Kiely's one of our coaches - how many times do you think he picked the tactics and starting 11 last season? There's a BIG difference between the man running the training sessions and the man running the team.
He is nothing like Kiely, who is a goalkeeping coach. Clarke's last job was first team coach. I am not pinning my hopes on the fact that his last few job titles sound similar, every job is different. But there is a very obvious reason why we didn't choose the likes of Chris Hughton when we were looking for our last two managers.
Having worked at Chelsea, Newcastle and Liverpool as a coach and having played over 300 games for Chelsea I'm sure he can adapt to deal with the pressure placed on him by 22,000 at the Hawthorns every Saturday pretty comfortably. It has been said over and over that DA has a large say in the transfers/finances so Clarke will not have full control - probably the best way to deal with someone experiencing new things.
Its understandable that people feel a little underwhelmed with whoever we now appoint given that Rangnick is off the radar, but lets not make ourselves into the same laughing stock that the Villa were last season. Clarke has never gotten anyone relegated and his record of winning competitions speaks for itself - do people really think he has never helped pick a team or organise tactics before? I fail to see how this is a poor appointment.
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Why? Why don't you think Clarke would feel the same frustration as our past managers? They weren't annoyed because it was a power thing - they were annoyed because it limits your abilities to shape the team. Why would Clarke be any different? If he thinks we need to have a better option in midfield but is told that he can't have one why would he be fine with that?
No, it's more that the big decisions are more of a matter of opinion. All of the coachs can give you all of the chances, ratings, and likelihoods of things happening in matches, but really there's very little, other than expierience, to know how good a "manager" someone will be.
I don't feel we could attract someone who will suit that role as people want because of the system we have. Really, I feel we sacrifice the power that people have for the financial security. And to me, personally, there is nothing more risky than risking your financial security.
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If appointed this is a massive gamble by JP and DA in my mind.
SC is a very experienced coach at first team level with lots of prem experience granted (as a no.2). However being in the main seat is very different to that of number 2. Anyone who gets promoted to actually be in charge or made responsible for something can no doubt vouch for this. I don't really care for the semantics of Head Coach / Manager. This is a very risky appointment whichever way it's dressed up, however this is a change from the usual suspects and I just hope JP and DA have got it right. I hope all fans get behind SC if he is the new man in charge as a divided fanbase will set us back more than anything else.
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No, it's more that the big decisions are more of a matter of opinion. All of the coachs can give you all of the chances, ratings, and likelihoods of things happening in matches, but really there's very little, other than expierience, to know how good a "manager" someone will be.
I don't feel we could attract someone who will suit that role as people want because of the system we have. Really, I feel we sacrifice the power that people have for the financial security. And to me, personally, there is nothing more risky than risking your financial security.
You only risk financial security by what you spend. You don't need to have a head coach role to do that. It's not the manager that signs the cheques. From all the interviews I've seen the reason we have the system we do is because of continuity. Traditionally a manager might bring with him his own scouting team. They'd build up knowledge of players and teams, then if the manager left all that knowledge goes with them. We don't, that knowledge stays with us. It's nothing to do with not wanting to let a manager spend. It isn't Champ Man.
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Im sure Ashman, Hagen and Atkinson were underwelming appointments at the time considering these three were appointed from the lower leagues.
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He is nothing like Kiely, who is a goalkeeping coach. Clarke's last job was first team coach. I am not pinning my hopes on the fact that his last few job titles sound similar, every job is different. But there is a very obvious reason why we didn't choose the likes of Chris Hughton when we were looking for our last two managers.
Having worked at Chelsea, Newcastle and Liverpool as a coach and having played over 300 games for Chelsea I'm sure he can adapt to deal with the pressure placed on him by 22,000 at the Hawthorns every Saturday pretty comfortably. It has been said over and over that DA has a large say in the transfers/finances so Clarke will not have full control - probably the best way to deal with someone experiencing new things.
Its understandable that people feel a little underwhelmed with whoever we now appoint given that Rangnick is off the radar, but lets not make ourselves into the same laughing stock that the Villa were last season. Clarke has never gotten anyone relegated and his record of winning competitions speaks for itself - do people really think he has never helped pick a team or organise tactics before? I fail to see how this is a poor appointment.
TBF goalkeeping coach or not - if you looking at the structure of his coaching qualifications he will have covered both outfield and Goalkeeping to get his full 'B' or 'A' licenses, However you can see the point - yes he has to be given a chance and I hope he takes it with both hands - but I truely beleive people are under estimating the jump between coaching the team and running the team just because the job title is 'Head Coach'.
I hope he deals with the expectation, but lets not forget he's worked 3 vastly bigger clubs, with vastly bigger resources - I'm sure he has had some input into tactics - but not all on his own shoulders. When we go on a run of 6,7,8 games without a win all the pressure will be on him - he never had to deal with it at Chelsea and during the bad runs and Liverpool and Newcastle I hardly heard his name mentioned - because it falls to the manager/head coach/director of pass and move or whatever name you wish to call it.
That is a massive step up. Not necessarily a bad appointment, but lets not dismiss concerns that in my view are valid ones.
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To leave the country as I did last Sunday expecting to come back with Ralf Rangnick appointed and see what has devolved over the past few days is demoralizing and disappointing at the very least.
Here I was thinking we were going to take a step forward and get somebody in who's record wouldn't just match Hodgson's but provide us with platform to take the club on to the next level.
To see Steve Clarke on the verge of being appointed is really heartbreaking and worrying at the same time. Yes there was a risk in appointing Ralf but to appoint somebody with 0 games as a manager makes me sick.
If this as expected happens, fine; I'll be there next year to support the team. I'm just worried if Clarke doesn't win over the fans quickly, it could prove to be a very difficult year coming up.
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You only risk financial security by what you spend. You don't need to have a head coach role to do that. It's not the manager that signs the cheques. From all the interviews I've seen the reason we have the system we do is because of continuity. Traditionally a manager might bring with him his own scouting team. They'd build up knowledge of players and teams, then if the manager left all that knowledge goes with them. We don't, that knowledge stays with us. It's nothing to do with not wanting to let a manager spend. It isn't Champ Man.
However, employing a coach who probably has not ever gone to suggest and want players to sign would be good for the relationship between "manager/headcoach" and the board. After all, it wouldn't suprise me if JP/DA wanted full control of this matter, with no chance of any grumblings anywhere. As a coach, he'll play with what he has, I'd imagine.
We'll just have to see how Clarke, IF he gets the job, can cope with it. No doubt it is a risk, what with the extra responsibilities, but if he indeed has been lauded as potential for the job, he's the best risk to take in my view.
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Steve Clarke then. At least that's sorted, let's get on with it now!
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It seems like Ralph has done a U turn with regards to the job so the club can hardly appoint someone who doesnt want it.
We move on to the next candidate which by all accounts seems Steve Clarke.
The fact is the club keeps their cards close to their chest and they may well have spoke to him about the vacancy just as much as Rangnick.
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Steve Clarke then. At least that's sorted, let's get on with it now!
Hold your horses, nothing's actually happened yet! :P ;)
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I'd rather take a risk on a fantastic coach with no "managerial" experience, than taking a risk on an actual manager who's likely to want more power of the team and club than he's allowed.
The fact that our club is set up unusually (for this country) doesn't make it optimal or unquestionable of course.
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TBF goalkeeping coach or not - if you looking at the structure of his coaching qualifications he will have covered both outfield and Goalkeeping to get his full 'B' or 'A' licenses, However you can see the point - yes he has to be given a chance and I hope he takes it with both hands - but I truely beleive people are under estimating the jump between coaching the team and running the team just because the job title is 'Head Coach'.
I hope he deals with the expectation, but lets not forget he's worked 3 vastly bigger clubs, with vastly bigger resources - I'm sure he has had some input into tactics - but not all on his own shoulders. When we go on a run of 6,7,8 games without a win all the pressure will be on him - he never had to deal with it at Chelsea and during the bad runs and Liverpool and Newcastle I hardly heard his name mentioned - because it falls to the manager/head coach/director of pass and move or whatever name you wish to call it.
That is a massive step up. Not necessarily a bad appointment, but lets not dismiss concerns that in my view are valid ones.
I'm not dismissing the valid concerns of people who believed all along it was risky to appoint someone unproven at the top level. It is a risk appointing someone unproven but its calculated and there is evidence to suggest that he could become a success, afterall we hired Hodgson whilst pretty much everyone in the country was critisising him and look how that turned out.
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If I hear this one more time I'm going to shoot somebody. ::)
Just to confirm we are looking for a head coach not a manager.
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Aah but a head coach falls somewhere in between being a coach and a manager. With a lot more responisibilty than a normal first team coach. Which some people fail to grasp.
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To leave the country as I did last Sunday expecting to come back with Ralf Rangnick appointed and see what has devolved over the past few days is demoralizing and disappointing at the very least.
Here I was thinking we were going to take a step forward and get somebody in who's record wouldn't just match Hodgson's but provide us with platform to take the club on to the next level.
To see Steve Clarke on the verge of being appointed is really heartbreaking and worrying at the same time. Yes there was a risk in appointing Ralf but to appoint somebody with 0 games as a manager makes me sick.
If this as expected happens, fine; I'll be there next year to support the team. I'm just worried if Clarke doesn't win over the fans quickly, it could prove to be a very difficult year coming up.
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That's a big worry for me too. Things could get ugly quickly, especially considering the fixture list compilor seems to be a wolves fan with the opening games we get every year.
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Mmhm:
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@liam_ridgewell
Just heard Steve Clarke to get the job. Sounds like a good one to me. Worked at some great clubs and done well. #bringonthenewseason
That's Liam Ridgewell alright, first word from anyone to do with the club. Don't know if they know too much, if anything either. ;D
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:o :o :osorry i just cant get exited about SC been at with thge albion to long and have seen appointments like this many times ,feel like i was having a bike for xmas and my mom got me a pair of roller skates
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Mmhm:
Ridgy 6 ?@liam_ridgewell
Just heard Steve Clarke to get the job. Sounds like a good one to me. Worked at some great clubs and done well. #bringonthenewseason
What was that about players not thinking he is a big name. :-*
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This is my first post on the site.
Iv been watching the discussions for the last few days now, excited about the new appointment.
I cant make head nor tail of why we would take such a gamble on an unproven manager. The club have slowly been progressing forward since the Megson days but this seems completely bonkers to me. SC has struggled at all clubs hes been at to my knowledge with the exception of Chelsea and lets be fair anyone can coach the likes of Robben , Drogba and co
If we were going down this route why not go for Appleton who knows the players and club well. When I heard the name SC my heart sunk I can just see Steve Keen or TC all over again. Its all well saying the fans need to get on with it and im sure we will once the season starts but dont you think we deserve more after all these years of not complaining.
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I'm not dismissing the valid concerns of people who believed all along it was risky to appoint someone unproven at the top level. It is a risk appointing someone unproven but its calculated and there is evidence to suggest that he could become a success, afterall we hired Hodgson whilst pretty much everyone in the country was critisising him and look how that turned out.
My biggest concern with SC isn't he ability as a footballing person but actually the resources he'll get - he's come from clubs where player investment isn't an issue, something that may frustrate him here.
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I'm not dismissing the valid concerns of people who believed all along it was risky to appoint someone unproven at the top level. It is a risk appointing someone unproven but its calculated and there is evidence to suggest that he could become a success, afterall we hired Hodgson whilst pretty much everyone in the country was critisising him and look how that turned out.
That's not true. Roy had loads of sympathy and Liverpool got an awful lot of flack for the way he was treated. To say everyone was critcising him is misleading.
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He may be unproven as a manager but Rangnick is unproven in the Premiership. Clarke has plenty of experience of this division he will know it inside out.
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From Liam Ridgwell's twitter: 'Just heard Steve Clarke to get the job. Sounds like a good one to me. Worked at some great clubs and done well. Bring on the new season.'
Mmhm:
Ridgy 6
@liam_ridgewell
Just heard Steve Clarke to get the job. Sounds like a good one to me. Worked at some great clubs and done well. #bringonthenewseason
That's Liam Ridgewell alright, first word from anyone to do with the club. Don't know if they know too much, if anything either. ;D
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He may be unproven as a manager but Rangnick is unproven in the Premiership. Clarke has plenty of experience of this division he will know it inside out.
Yes, it seems very much a case of "pick your poison". Almost every appointment e could've made has some sort of huge drawback, really. ;)
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He may be unproven as a manager but Rangnick is unproven in the Premiership. Clarke has plenty of experience of this division he will know it inside out.
in all fairness then the same applies to Guardiola, and I know who i'd want out of Steve and Pep.....
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He may be unproven as a manager but Rangnick is unproven in the Premiership. Clarke has plenty of experience of this division he will know it inside out.
You're comparing apples and oranges there.
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:'(so why did none of the clubs he worked with make him no.1 if he did such a great job ,sorry im gutted.we are in the best position wev e been in for generations and take on somebody that to say the least is a gamble we didnot have to take
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What was that about players not thinking he is a big name. :-*
Well he's not stupid - would you really expect him to post:
Steve Clarke interesting. Might do a half decent job. Goodbye youssuf and Pete. #terminatemycontractmrpeace
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Let's hound him out before he's even got here, it worked wonders with Villa and McLeish.
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I cant make head nor tail of why we would take such a gamble on an unproven manager. The club have slowly been progressing forward since the Megson days but this seems completely bonkers to me. SC has struggled at all clubs hes been at to my knowledge with the exception of Chelsea and lets be fair anyone can coach the likes of Robben , Drogba and co
Really? Many top coaches reckon the better the player the harder they are too coach as they will pick up on any areas where that coach lacks ability and exploit it.
As my statistics show earlier hes had success at all clubs even West Ham.
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:'(so why did none of the clubs he worked with make him no.1 if he did such a great job ,sorry im gutted.we are in the best position wev e been in for generations and take on somebody that to say the least is a gamble we didnot have to take
Which other gamble would you have liked to take? :)
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Let's hound him out before he's even got here, it worked wonders with Villa and McLeish.
Ok then, I'll go to dunelms and get the bedsheets.
What time we meeting and where? ;D :-*
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Well he's not stupid - would you really expect him to post:
Steve Clarke interesting. Might do a half decent job. Goodbye youssuf and Pete. #terminatemycontractmrpeace
So he must be lying then? He could of just chosen to say nothing if he didn't rate him.
Ha the response you suggested would have been more funny though - plenty of our players are on twitter there is still time for that response.
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What was that about players not thinking he is a big name. :-*
I'd call that creeping round the new boss to try and get a place in the team. He's not guaranteed a start.
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I'd call that creeping round the new boss to try and get a place in the team. He's not guaranteed a start.
One of the few who is actually. No cover at LB other than Mattock.
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How would this appointment be ANY different than a Appleton appointment? I mean you could even make the argument that at least Appleton has a couple dozen games being "the man" in charge!!! The rationalizing is a joke too that he will be a head coach not manager, good try!! Not buying into that for a second for the same reasons others have stated. But I feel this is Appleton +, only difference is he has been the number two at larger clubs than Appleton! Joke, uninspiring appointment and after six weeks and multiple talks/interviews with much much bigger names (CL, RR) I am just down and very bummed out about this, really have a hard time even thinking about it right now! Now with all that said you would not find me in the streets or car parks protesting or not attending games if I was there, but I am deflated! What a downer!!!!
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Hasn't Mattock been released? As the only left back at the club he's near enough guaranteed to start.
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I like the optimism but the reality of it is SC has no experience as a manager at any level.
I cant remember any assiastant in the premier league cutting the mustard. Maybe Hughton at a push but lets remember Newcastloe did sack him so he cant have been all that great.
Steve Keen, Brian Kidd, Steve Maclaren are just a few I can think off and TC :(
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Interesting perspective from the Mix...
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Originally Posted by StefanWolves
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=7233.4250
Potential meltdown of monumental proportions.
Can't see why....he fits their model perfectly and this is the way they've been moving for years, so maybe the fans aren't as keen on the structure as they pretend.
There must be some reason why Clarke hasn't managed a club before because he's had offers.
Could it be that he only wants to concentrate on football operations and not all the other associated junk that a manager is expected to deal with?
Albion would fit him perfectly, where they control everything except how the first team plays.
I have to say, it's the right model to go with.
Many managers aren't qualified to deal with anything more than football coaching, but seem to want to be involved in everything over the heads of people who've got professional qualifications.
There's no other sport or business that operates like that, even rich club owners appoint professionals to do the bits they can't do....but for English football we have this traditional view that some bloke who's good at picking a football team is the best person to run everything, even if he hasn't got a GCSE and has never had a chance to do such a wide-ranging job.
I always remember reading about Martin O'Neill at Villa, convincing Randy Lerner to put him in charge of the entire football operations budget with no Directors above him. He overspent the budget and then went back to ask for an advance on next years budget, which he received on condition that he brought it back into the black by selling some players, or bringing in younger players on lower wages with a future resale value...just to keep the books balanced on paper. That's basic management for any business, even if it's a corner shop.
He didn't do that, just selling one player (Davis to Rangers for a measly £4mill) and then went back to Lerner the next summer to request even more funding.
Lerner allegedly said "Why have you come to me again Martin, you are the budget holder who agreed the deals and you've not managed it...sell some players".
O'Neill walks out 5 days before the season starts complaining of a lack of funding, which he'd personally $$$$ed up himself, leaving them with £110 million debt and a wage/income ratio of 88%.
Why should any club put a bloke with no financial morals, brains or responsibility in charge of tens of millions of pounds, when he can just turn round and walk out without a care in the world?
O'Neills response was that he took them to 6th place and he was happy. So take all the credit, none of the blame and leave the business in ruins when you leave?
It's financial suicide and they haven't recovered from it yet. Unless Lambert can turn dirt into gold, I reckon Lerner will be walking away in a year or so, he'll see no future and no way of getting them back into the money.
If Albion have got the right structure and safeguards to protect their business, maybe Steve Clarke has just been waiting for a club like that to come along so he only has to do what he's good at and leave the rest to people who actually know what they're doing? Maybe he's never wanted to be a "manager" but just wants to be a 1st team Head Coach?
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Personally I think this is a risky appointment but one which could prove to be a successful one. If appointed he will have my full support. Besides, as much as I wanted Ralf I will trust the footballing accumen of those chosen to appoint our next manager over my own limited knowledge of the game.
Onwards and upwards!
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So he must be lying then? He could of just chosen to say nothing if he didn't rate him.
Ha the response you suggested would have been more funny though - plenty of our players are on twitter there is still time for that response.
Where did I suggest he's lying. Just that no one in their right mind would slag off their boss on a public forum.
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i hope if it is clarke he'll surprise us all but the only worry i've really got is if the speculation about certain players wanting to go is true. if we lose mulumbu, ollsen and pete aswell as foster not staying thats the whole spine of the side gone and whoever would come in will have a very hard task of finding replaceements .
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Where did I suggest he's lying. Just that no one in their right mind would slag off their boss on a public forum.
Joey Barton would ;D
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:'(so why did none of the clubs he worked with make him no.1 if he did such a great job ,sorry im gutted.we are in the best position wev e been in for generations and take on somebody that to say the least is a gamble we didnot have to take
We tried to get a much more attractive coach in both Ranieri and Ralf Rangnick. It appears they've both turned us down and we've choosen Steve Clarke out the next crop of manager. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have Steve Clarke over the likes of Michael Appleton, Derek McInnes and Ian Holloway.
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Joey Barton would ;D
Lol!
But I covered that possibility with the phrase "in their right mind" !
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We tried to get a much more attractive coach in both Ranieri and Ralf Rangnick. It appears they've both turned us down and we've choosen Steve Clarke out the next crop of manager. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have Steve Clarke over the likes of Michael Appleton, Derek McInnes and Ian Holloway.
Yeah, there was a reason we were looking overseas for a new manager (Head coach).
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"We tried to get a much more attractive coach in both Ranieri and Ralf Rangnick. It appears they've both turned us down and we've choosen Steve Clarke out the next crop of manager. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have Steve Clarke over the likes of Michael Appleton, Derek McInnes and Ian Holloway."
Please explain why Clarke over Appleton who knows all the players and the club?
McInnes who has managerial experience and saved BC from what looked like certain relegation
Holloway who has worked wonders with Blackpool on a low budget and also provides entertainmet
Clarke is bottom of the list
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I just think in my opinion not that it matters really. Is that i'm a little disappointed with the Hughton thing i think he would have done a great job for us. But onwards and upwards the chairman has been good with the previous choices so i think you have to keep an open mind on this one and see what happens after a few games or so. Mr Clarke would not be my choice i agree with some of the comments on here but ALL Baggies fans must stick together and go with it otherwise we could become a Villa
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typical albion the cheapest and worst option
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Sick of sky regurgitating the same story every second. Want a confirmation already :P
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I must admit to feeling totally underwhelmed by this appointment if it happens.
I know any manager is a gamble but this is a huge one.
As i posted earlier he has worked with top players and managers and has great knowledge of the premier league,but a number 2 isn't a number one.
I still remember how excited i was when Don Howe left Arsenal to become our manager.Great coach,poor manager.
I must say that i feel we have gone for an easy option.
But if Clarke does accept the post he will get my full support.
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I just think in my opinion not that it matters really. Is that i'm a little disappointed with the Hughton thing i think he would have done a great job for us. But onwards and upwards the chairman has been good with the previous choices so i think you have to keep an open mind on this one and see what happens after a few games or so. Mr Clarke would not be my choice i agree with some of the comments on here but ALL Baggies fans must stick together and go with it otherwise we could become a Villa
I agree with what you are saying but at times I feel as fans we are overly nice and that sometimes stops us having our say. Extremely risky and poor appointment
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http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hibernian/205551-video-steve-clarkes-full-interview-with-friday-night-football/ (http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hibernian/205551-video-steve-clarkes-full-interview-with-friday-night-football/)
Interview with SC from a couple of years ago talking about wanting to be a manager. Interesting stuff. Couldn't watch the whole thing but he said he'd feel suited for a premier league job and was ready to take the leap into management, but the main pull for him to go to any club would be to be given time,
just food for thought i guess..
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"We tried to get a much more attractive coach in both Ranieri and Ralf Rangnick. It appears they've both turned us down and we've choosen Steve Clarke out the next crop of manager. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have Steve Clarke over the likes of Michael Appleton, Derek McInnes and Ian Holloway."
Please explain why Clarke over Appleton who knows all the players and the club?
McInnes who has managerial experience and saved BC from what looked like certain relegation
Holloway who has worked wonders with Blackpool on a low budget and also provides entertainmet
Clarke is bottom of the list
Quite simply, down to experience, which many of the members on this board and across other sources were crying out for. Michael Appleton has only had a short stint has a coach in the premier league, granted he would have learnt lots off Roy Hodgson but I think its certainly too early for him to make his bow into Premier League management.
Derek McInnes hasn't even coached a side in the Premier League and I don't think it was a certain relegation either to be frank. He was appointed in October, and was given around 6 or 7 months to save them from relegation. He managed to do that in the final couple of weeks.
Ian Holloway is just too an erratic character for the board in my opinion. He might have worked wonders at Blackpool and I don't doubt that, his achievements there have been fantastic. However, Blackpool were defensively shocking, and under Roy in the last 16 months we have recently discovered our defensive foundations. I would hate to see those chucked away in favour of Holloway who would be a polar opposite to Roy. Also, I don't think he would get along with JP very well. He seems very much a character who will 'rock the boat'.
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"We tried to get a much more attractive coach in both Ranieri and Ralf Rangnick. It appears they've both turned us down and we've choosen Steve Clarke out the next crop of manager. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have Steve Clarke over the likes of Michael Appleton, Derek McInnes and Ian Holloway."
Clarke is bottom of the list
Please explain why Clarke over Appleton who knows all the players and the club?
Appleton has been a low level coach for less than five years and six months as a manager which ended in relegation. Clarke has been a high level coach in several good teams and is highly regarded in his field.
McInnes who has managerial experience and saved BC from what looked like certain relegation
McInnes did a great job at BC and will be considered in the future if he carries on, but his career is still very much in its infancy and had he not played for us would be baulked at.
Holloway who has worked wonders with Blackpool on a low budget and also provides entertainmet
The first problem is that alot of the entertainment he provides involves people laughing at him and the small club he works for - he thrives on more or less taking the **** out of himself and the club he is at. wouldn't fit into our structure, had 10 months as a prem manager and barely won a game in the second half of that season.
Clarke has one thing none of the above posess, 13 years top flight coaching expirience.
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Quite a lot of hypocrisy here. I keep reading the same thing, "not happy with this appointment" or "fuming", but yet these people still end their posts with "however he still gets my backing, 110%". I'm not sure if these fans are intentionally trying to boggle my mind, surely if you're "not happy" or "fuming" at his appointment he will never receive your "110% backing". I guess you are just trying to cover your own backs so you can eventually start the "told you so" posts if the going gets tough. I can see him being successful at the Albion and continuing exactly where Roy left off. I am also now off to enjoy the Euro's with a clear mind and so pleased this is all finally over!
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Well he's not stupid - would you really expect him to post:
Steve Clarke interesting. Might do a half decent job. Goodbye youssuf and Pete. #terminatemycontractmrpeace
As if good old Youssuf and Pete (not 'Mulumbu' and 'Odemwingie' of course, we're on first name terms with these lads) care about anything more than how much money they're getting and if they're played or not.
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I like the optimism but the reality of it is SC has no experience as a manager at any level.
I cant remember any assiastant in the premier league cutting the mustard. Maybe Hughton at a push but lets remember Newcastloe did sack him so he cant have been all that great.
Steve Keen, Brian Kidd, Steve Maclaren are just a few I can think off and TC :(
RDM didnt do too bad last season stepping up from assistant
McClaren is a success, he had the top job in English football and has been very successful abroad
Mourinho was a translator (originally)
Brendan Rodgers
Carlos Quirez
Stuart Pearce? (jury out)
Brian McDermott
It can happen chaps....
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typical albion the cheapest and worst option
It has been stated on this thread that Clarke was one of the highest paid coaches in the PL last season.
Why would we waste money compensating Blues for a manager we have never wanted?
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As if good old Youssuf and Pete (not 'Mulumbu' and 'Odemwingie' of course, we're on first name terms with these lads) care about anything more than how much money they're getting and if they're played or not.
I don't think you understood what I've written. Try it again without being angry and you will see that it is a suggested post for Liam Ridgewell that he wouldn't post about his own boss. LR is probably on first name terms with them and you should think before posting.
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It has been stated on this thread that Clarke was one of the highest paid coaches in the PL last season.
Why would we waste money compensating Blues for a manager we have never wanted?
If it was just Chris Hughton then I believe we would have paid some compensation, I believe it was more to do with paying for his 3 backroom staff and sacking/ paying off our own and thats why we went elsewhere, just my opinion of course!
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It has been stated on this thread that Clarke was one of the highest paid coaches in the PL last season.
Why would we waste money compensating Blues for a manager we have never wanted?
£600k a year at Chelsea, £900k a year at West Ham with £1m compensation to get him, £750k a year at Liverpool.
I wish i was that cheap.
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Please explain why Clarke over Appleton who knows all the players and the club?
Appleton has been a low level coach for less than five years and six months as a manager which ended in relegation. Clarke has been a high level coach in several good teams and is highly regarded in his field.
McInnes who has managerial experience and saved BC from what looked like certain relegation
McInnes did a great job at BC and will be considered in the future if he carries on, but his career is still very much in its infancy and had he not played for us would be baulked at.
Holloway who has worked wonders with Blackpool on a low budget and also provides entertainmet
The first problem is that alot of the entertainment he provides involves people laughing at him and the small club he works for, wouldn't fit into our structure, had 10 months as a prem manager and barely won a game in the second half of that season.
Clarke has one thing none of the above posess, 13 years top flight coaching expirience.
The point that is being missed is that at least all of these have experience of being in charge of a team. Clarke has zero experience in management. Undoubtldly he is highly though of as a coach but so were the others I mentioned. I wish Steve all the best and will get behind him but there is no hididing this is extemely risky, cost effective and has a high possibility of failing where as a manager with experience could have at least steadied the ship. Brian Kidd is in my opinion the best number 2 around, however when he was manager at Blackburn look what happened.
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The point that is being missed is that at least all of these have experience of being in charge of a team. Clarke has zero experience in management. Undoubtldly he is highly though of as a coach but so were the others I mentioned. I wish Steve all the best and will get behind him but there is no hididing this is extemely risky, cost effective and has a high possibility of failing where as a manager with experience could have at least steadied the ship. Brian Kidd is in my opinion the best number 2 around, however when he was manager at Blackburn look what happened.
It is a gamble, but one worth taking in my humble opinion.
For every Brian Kidd there is a Brendan Rogers, Brian Macdermott etc etc.
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Firstly if players want to leave because of this appointment (which I think is complete rubbish), good riddance. Clarke has worked and got a very good reputation with players who are a lot better than our players, so if these players think they are too good for Clarke then they can go the same way as; Koumas, Kamara and Davies. Go for ridiculous fees and sit on the subs bench somewhere.
Secondly the fans who want a season ticket refund because of it, please go and get one. Because that isnt what being a supporter is all about and The Hawthorns will be a better place without you. We stick with them through thick and thin, it is easy to support us and attend when we are finishing 10th and if you are going to give up on them as soon as you dont agree with a decision you are better off staying away.
Am I under-whelmed? Yes I think I am to be honest, it is a massive massive gamble and if the worst was to happen it could set us back at least 3 years but no one has a clue how it will work out but there has been some ridiculous posts on here to be honest, things like; 'relegation is a dead cert' :-\ .
Were not Villa, Wolves or Blackburn. Albion fans are a class above those so lets not make silly comments like that and get 100% behind the decision, Im not saying it is a good appointment and can understand concerns but on the other hand no one has the right to say we are certs for relegation and 'doomed' when theres no evidance Clarke will fail or failed before.
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The point that is being missed is that at least all of these have experience of being in charge of a team. Clarke has zero experience in management. Undoubtldly he is highly though of as a coach but so were the others I mentioned. I wish Steve all the best and will get behind him but there is no hididing this is extemely risky, cost effective and has a high possibility of failing where as a manager with experience could have at least steadied the ship. Brian Kidd is in my opinion the best number 2 around, however when he was manager at Blackburn look what happened.
AVB (many peoples favourite) never played professional football and worked as a scout before Porto gave him a chance, he's only managed two sides and one of those he failed at and yet everyone would be delighted if we had of appointed him.
Instead we appoint a man who has over 600 professional appearances, and has spent over a decade coaching in the PL, as Rowley says Clarke has more going for him than he does against him. A very calculated gamble.
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he could be awful and take us down a la steve kean
or he could be fantastic and take us to europe
no one has a clue
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he could be awful and take us down a la steve kean
or he could be fantastic and take us to europe
no one has a clue
Agree, we have no idea how he will do which is worrying and exciting in equal measure.
Personally I think he'll be gone by end of December.
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The point that is being missed is that at least all of these have experience of being in charge of a team. Clarke has zero experience in management. Undoubtldly he is highly though of as a coach but so were the others I mentioned. I wish Steve all the best and will get behind him but there is no hididing this is extemely risky, cost effective and has a high possibility of failing where as a manager with experience could have at least steadied the ship. Brian Kidd is in my opinion the best number 2 around, however when he was manager at Blackburn look what happened.
But were not hiring a manager we are hiring a Head Coach?. Understandable that in general the feeling is of a little disappointment considering that he has not been a No 1 anywhere. It is difficult for people to look and see past achievements as comfort for how he might do.
However as PL football coaches go he has few equals. He would be right up there with the best of them. A great football brain Im sure so I would expect us to be highly organised as we were under Roy. My biggest question will be around his ability to step back and command respect and when on occasion it is needed lose his rag with the players. As a Head Coach you cant get to pally pally or you will find it too difficult when this time comes. And it surely will on the back of some dodgy results or the super inflated ego of a player who thinks he is indispensible.
That said If he can overcome this and prove he has the man management skills this will turn out to be another inspired appointment IMO.
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he could be awful and take us down a la steve kean
or he could be fantastic and take us to europe
no one has a clue
i'd settle for somewhere in between
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It is a gamble, but one worth taking in my humble opinion.
For every Brian Kidd there is a Brendan Rogers, Brian Macdermott etc etc.
Maybe if its your first year in the Prem a risk worth taking but for a club with any aspirations its stupid in my opinion. Let a lower team take a chance on him and if it works out then we can approach them from there. I cant see how someone who has never managed at any level can walk in to a top 10 job in the premiership.
Last season he was at Liverpool who were highly unexiting and had a bad season, prior to that I believe he was at West Ham who got releghated . We are not talking about a young rising star here.
I echo my thought for every 1 success as making the step up from assistant to manager there are 10 failures. This is why teams now are extriemly reluctant to do it. in Premiership years. i remember Rhoder, TC, Keen, Maclare Kidd just to mention a few
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Personally I think he'll be gone by end of December.
Why?
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Maybe if its your first year in the Prem a risk worth taking but for a club with any aspirations its stupid in my opinion. Let a lower team take a chance on him and if it works out then we can approach them from there. I cant see how someone who has never managed at any level can walk in to a top 10 job in the premiership.
Last season he was at Liverpool who were highly unexiting and had a bad season, prior to that I believe he was at West Ham who got releghated . We are not talking about a young rising star here.
I echo my thought for every 1 success as making the step up from assistant to manager there are 10 failures. This is why teams now are extriemly reluctant to do it. in Premiership years. i remember Rhoder, TC, Keen, Maclare Kidd just to mention a few
He wasn't at West Ham when they went down.
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Why?
Snapped up by Chelsea to replace RDM!
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so why did none of the clubs he worked with make him no.1 if he did such a great job.
That's a reasonable question to ask. For example, Liverpool have preferred Brendan Rodgers to Clarke. They might be proved wrong of course.
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The more you read into clark and talk to liverpool fans it doesnt seem such a bad appointment!
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It'll be interesting to see what style he plays really, he's known as a very good defensive coach and widely praised for that so hopefully our good defensive record from this season should continue.
Liverpool and Chelsea fans seem to love him so he must have done something right.
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He wasn't at West Ham when they went down.
Sorry it was when Zola got sacked :o
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That's a reasonable question to ask.
Chelsea were allways going for a big name, he was heavilly linked to take charge of West Ham but not sure why it didn't come to fruition, he wanted out of Liverpool due to loyalty to Dalglish.
I have no idea, but he obviously now thinks it's time to make the step up.
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Sorry it was when Zola got sacked :o
Got sacked very harshly......
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:'(so why did none of the clubs he worked with make him no.1 if he did such a great job
Liverpool, have just appointed a former Chelsea coach who has had one full season managing in the PL.
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As much as dont think its a 'amazing signing' Im not totaly against it.
He has bags of experience and has worked with some of the best players and coaches about.
He gets my backing.
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On the bright side it seems JP has learnt when to pull the trigger finger and id it don't work out he will be gone with plenty of time for our situation to be improved.
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Lets all just relax
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I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have Steve Clarke over the likes of Michael Appleton, Derek McInnes and Ian Holloway.
So would I (with bells on), but we could have got Hughton and I'm intrigued to find out (if we ever do) why we didn't get Rangnick. A number of people would have fancied Laudrup too, although he'd arguably be even more of a gamble.
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How many of us even thought of Clarke before yesterday. Be Honest. I for one was saying all along it would be Hughton or Rangnick, am I shocked YES. Would like to know the reason why Rangnick turned us down and when.
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Got sacked very harshly......
He seems to have a habbit of being the coach where people get sacked.
Harsh or not im only dealing with facts
I am extremiely bewildered by this appointment. Hes living of comments made about 7 years ago made by Mourinho who thought so highly of him he decided not to take him with him.
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I don’t know about a clear out of players, I think we need a clear out of supporters!!!
Some of the reaction on this forum is quite frankly disgraceful, some people are acting like Steve Clarke is 16 years old and has no experience of football!!! He has worked under top managers (Jose Mouriniho, Ruud Gullit & Zola) and has 13 years experience within football, most of that in the premier league. No one can blame JP and DA, Raneri wanted to go to Monaco and it sounds as if Rangnick was string us along. If Steve Clarke wants to come here, then im 100 per cent behind him, and I expect every another Albion fan to do the same, criticize him if the football is poor and were bottom of the league but give him a fair chance, if you don’t your no better than the Villa mob!!!
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He seems to have a habit of being the coach where people get sacked.
Harsh or not I'm only dealing with facts
I am extremely bewildered by this appointment. Hes living of comments made about 7 years ago made by Morin who thought so highly of him he decided not to take him with him.
I totally disagree and a little research completely dilutes your "facts", but your opinion is your prerogative.
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Oh how we laughed at Wolves and the shambles that precluded their non-appointment. Sadly I can't help but feel that several chickens have come home to roost.
When RH left I remember telling friends, of the non-Albion supporting variety, that we would already have the situation well in hand and that an appointment would be made before too long which would continue to take the club forward.
I'm afraid that I simply cannot see that SC's will do that, he may well be a good coach but the job that he's taking on requires some managerial experience in my view. He will be exposed to a whole range of pressures, not least of which will be the need to sort out a number of tricky positions regarding playing staff.
I had hoped that the next 'manager' would be someone who would attract players, inspire confidence and continue to build on the achievements of the last few years. Unfortunately I don't think that this will be the case. Will better class players be persuaded to come to a mid table club by his appointment?
What's more it's OK saying if some players take umbridge at the apparent lack of ambition then we're better off without them. The key question is where do we find and then attract their replacements from and will SC's appointment help us to do this?
Of course we'll all continue to support our beloved Baggies and come next May I really hope to have egg on my face but at the moment it's clear, from the very many comments, that the fans are less than inspired, I hope that the players don't feel the same.
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It'll be interesting to see what style he plays really, he's known as a very good defensive coach and widely praised for that so hopefully our good defensive record from this season should continue.
Liverpool and Chelsea fans seem to love him so he must have done something right.
I think its important to carry on the good defensive progress made by Roy, rather him than Holloway and Martinez where we just go back to the mowbray days of going gun ho.
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Liverpool, have just appointed a former Chelsea coach who has had one full season managing in the PL.
They have appointwed him after proving himself in the championship and Premier League as a MANAGER not a coach. Its a totally different kettle of fish.
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Let's hope that even before the ink on his contract is dry he sorts out the signing of Ben Foster.
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Two things that could tip people over the edge on here.
1. he brings in Dalgleish as his assistant.
2. He turns up to his first press conference clutching a clipboard.
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Lets all just relax
I have relaxed and still don't feel overly happy....
Really uninspired....
Norwich sort it in 6 days, we take 6 weeks. Pfft.
However, Clarke deserves full backing. Just can't help feel we've made a mistake not appointing hughton....
Can we reach 200 pages?
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Please explain why Clarke over Appleton who knows all the players and the club?
Appleton has been a low level coach for less than five years and six months as a manager which ended in relegation. Clarke has been a high level coach in several good teams and is highly regarded in his field.
McInnes who has managerial experience and saved BC from what looked like certain relegation
McInnes did a great job at BC and will be considered in the future if he carries on, but his career is still very much in its infancy and had he not played for us would be baulked at.
Holloway who has worked wonders with Blackpool on a low budget and also provides entertainmet
The first problem is that alot of the entertainment he provides involves people laughing at him and the small club he works for - he thrives on more or less taking the **** out of himself and the club he is at. wouldn't fit into our structure, had 10 months as a prem manager and barely won a game in the second half of that season.
Clarke has one thing none of the above posess, 13 years top flight coaching expirience.
I agree with all of this. If we were appointing any of the above, I would be even more annoyed! If we couldn't get Rangnick, we should have got Hughton, IMO, which we could have done.
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After reading nearly 200 pages of the thread, all i can say about Steve Clarke about taking over is that give the bloke a chance before biting his head off before the man walks through the door, i heard about it last night that rangnick turned us down. Of course i'm underwhelmed by the possible appointment of Clarke as Head Coach, but by the way some of our fans go on about how bad the appointment is and how we do it on the cheap, some of you need to get a bloody grip on reality.
Some of the sane posters on here are actually realistic about what we are, A premier league team which has been punching above its weight. Then we all of a sudden appoint hodgson and he leads us to 11th and 10th place finishes and most of our *fans* think wer'e world beaters, Well guess what, we AREN'T whether we like it or not wer'e a small fish in a big pond regardless of what position we finish in and nothing will change that.
Also people seem to think we can just chuck money here, there and everywhere, Once again, we CAN'T, if it were up to some fans who ran the club, than we'd be bankrupt and then we would have NO club to support, and i'm pretty sure fans would not want that eithier, In all reality Clarke could be a masterstroke or he can be a disaster, that all depends if we get behind him, I for one hope we don't turn out like Blackburn but if people are just going to throw their toys out the pram because the guy we appoint is not a big name, then go support the seals cause we don't need you here. Unlike some people on here, i will enjoy the season as it goes, at least some of us has to be optimistic unlike half if not most posters on here concentrate on the negativity side of things. I bet if he gets us into europe, people will still rant and rave about him not being good enough.
Rant over but it just annoys me so much that half of this topic is just rubbish and drivel spouted and just the same thing being echoed over and over again.
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So would I (with bells on), but we could have got Hughton and I'm intrigued to find out (if we ever do) why we didn't get Rangnick. A number of people would have fancied Laudrup too, although he'd arguably be even more of a gamble.
I've just seen that Norwich have also agreed compensation for 3 of Hughton's backroom staff which wouldn't have been needed with us. Paul Trollope, Colin Calderwood & his chief scout. We already have the backroom team sorted and we don't need a scout as we already have the scouting system. That would be my reasoning behind us turning away from Hughton.
We were always chasing Rangnick and it will not surprise me to see him join a much bigger club. Unfortunately, that was always the case.
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I think if people spend 5 minutes of their time to read up on him (like they had to when they hadnt heard of Ragnick) then they would see it isnt such a bad appointment.
Great reputation in the game with weatlh of experience, yes he doesnt have managerial experience but were not after a manager were after a coach, which he has more than enough of.
You all say Eddie Newton is the brains behind RDM's success, and hes a coach!
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AVB (many peoples favourite) never played professional football and worked as a scout before Porto gave him a chance, he's only managed two sides and one of those he failed at and yet everyone would be delighted if we had of appointed him.
I wouldn't - I've never taken to the guy! Getting him was always cloud cuckoo land anyway.
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They have appointwed him after proving himself in the championship and Premier League as a MANAGER not a coach. Its a totally different kettle of fish.
Clarke has far more experience than Rodgers did when he took the decision to move into management. He also learnt well from Mourinho as did Clarke.
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I totally disagree and a little research completely dilutes your "facts", but your opinion is your prerogative.
Please tell me which fact is wrong
Never Managed a team at any level
Was At West Ham when Zola got sacked
Was at Liverpool when Kenny got sacked
Mourinho has never hired him again despite having 2 jobs since then
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Interesting perspective from the Mix...
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Originally Posted by StefanWolves
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=7233.4250
Potential meltdown of monumental proportions.
Can't see why....he fits their model perfectly and this is the way they've been moving for years, so maybe the fans aren't as keen on the structure as they pretend.
There must be some reason why Clarke hasn't managed a club before because he's had offers.
Could it be that he only wants to concentrate on football operations and not all the other associated junk that a manager is expected to deal with?
Albion would fit him perfectly, where they control everything except how the first team plays.
I have to say, it's the right model to go with.
Many managers aren't qualified to deal with anything more than football coaching, but seem to want to be involved in everything over the heads of people who've got professional qualifications.
There's no other sport or business that operates like that, even rich club owners appoint professionals to do the bits they can't do....but for English football we have this traditional view that some bloke who's good at picking a football team is the best person to run everything, even if he hasn't got a GCSE and has never had a chance to do such a wide-ranging job.
I always remember reading about Martin O'Neill at Villa, convincing Randy Lerner to put him in charge of the entire football operations budget with no Directors above him. He overspent the budget and then went back to ask for an advance on next years budget, which he received on condition that he brought it back into the black by selling some players, or bringing in younger players on lower wages with a future resale value...just to keep the books balanced on paper. That's basic management for any business, even if it's a corner shop.
He didn't do that, just selling one player (Davis to Rangers for a measly £4mill) and then went back to Lerner the next summer to request even more funding.
Lerner allegedly said "Why have you come to me again Martin, you are the budget holder who agreed the deals and you've not managed it...sell some players".
O'Neill walks out 5 days before the season starts complaining of a lack of funding, which he'd personally $$$$ed up himself, leaving them with £110 million debt and a wage/income ratio of 88%.
Why should any club put a bloke with no financial morals, brains or responsibility in charge of tens of millions of pounds, when he can just turn round and walk out without a care in the world?
O'Neills response was that he took them to 6th place and he was happy. So take all the credit, none of the blame and leave the business in ruins when you leave?
It's financial suicide and they haven't recovered from it yet. Unless Lambert can turn dirt into gold, I reckon Lerner will be walking away in a year or so, he'll see no future and no way of getting them back into the money.
If Albion have got the right structure and safeguards to protect their business, maybe Steve Clarke has just been waiting for a club like that to come along so he only has to do what he's good at and leave the rest to people who actually know what they're doing? Maybe he's never wanted to be a "manager" but just wants to be a 1st team Head Coach?
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Personally I think this is a risky appointment but one which could prove to be a successful one. If appointed he will have my full support. Besides, as much as I wanted Ralf I will trust the footballing accumen of those chosen to appoint our next manager over my own limited knowledge of the game.
Onwards and upwards!
Having read that piece I've been talked round by a dingle I think. Bit of balance to the 'we're doomed' posts.
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I have relaxed and still don't feel overly happy....
Really uninspired....
Norwich sort it in 6 days, we take 6 weeks. Pfft.
However, Clarke deserves full backing. Just can't help feel we've made a mistake not appointing hughton....
Can we reach 200 pages?
We have taken our time on this one, didnt want to rush things and get the wrong man now did we
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I've just seen that Norwich have also agreed compensation for 3 of Hughton's backroom staff which wouldn't have been needed with us. Paul Trollope, Colin Calderwood & his chief scout. We already have the backroom team sorted and we don't need a scout as we already have the scouting system. That would be my reasoning behind us turning away from Foster.
We were always chasing Rangnick and it will not surprise me to see him join a much bigger club. Unfortunately, that was always the case.
Thats nails it - Hughton wanted his own scout and that doesn't fit.
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I don't think there was a hope of getting Hughton here if he wanted to keep his supporting cast. One of the priorities that is evident here is that the head coach is just a member of staff, he doesn't get to adjust the hierarchy below him, except perhaps his number two.
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he wanted out of Liverpool due to loyalty to Dalglish.
Unless him and Dalglish are bosom buddies, there's very little in the way of loyalty in football these days. Dalglish couldn't really expect anything else than the sack after how Liverpool did and Clarke was unlikely to get paid as much elsewhere as he was at Liverpool, so falling on his sword for Dalglidsh would be a stange move, unless Clarke is mega-rich and money is no object! ;D
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Please tell me which fact is wrong
Never Managed a team at any level
Was At West Ham when Zola got sacked
Was at Liverpool when Kenny got sacked
Mourinho has never hired him again despite having 2 jobs since then
I didn't say the statements are wrong, i was challenging your interpretation of them and suggested you dig a bit deeper like i have done and learn a bit more about how he works and the opinions of him from supporters of clubs he's worked for.
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There is a lesson to be learnt here for WBA.
In a time when social networking is so prevalent and the news cycle is 24/7, WBA need to learn how to play the communication game better.
I think a lot of the disrespect shown towards SC, and certainly my own disappointment at hearing the news, stem from frustration at a lack of communication from the club. Relying instead on tit-bits from the local media often repeating the same story time and again.
I'm not saying that we need to know every detail, but a couple of statements along the way would have helped instead of this media/supporter black out.
We do a lot of things very well, communication isn't one of them.
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We have taken our time on this one, didnt want to rush things and get the wrong man now did we
Olli Olli Olli..........................................and 57 disappeared ;)
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Unless him and Dalglish are bosom buddies, there's very little in the way of loyalty in football these days. Dalglish couldn't really expect anything else than the sack after how Liverpool did and Clarke was unlikely to get paid as much elsewhere as he was at Liverpool, so falling on his sword for Dalglidsh would be a stange move, unless Clarke is mega-rich and money is no object! ;D
Liverpool have no front-runners to replace Dalglish
16 May 12 23:45
By Ben Smith
BBC Sport
Liverpool's owners are keen for the club's new manager to be in place for at least four to five years, but there is no front-runner at this stage.
Tom Werner and John W Henry have begun the search for the Reds' fourth boss in two years after sacking Kenny Dalglish and have a number of names in mind.
The new boss is likely to get a transfer budget of more than £30m.
Intermediaries acting for the club have spoken with Andre Villas-Boas, but he is unlikely to get the job.
The Portuguese was sacked by Chelsea in March.
Former Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez is also not thought to be in the running. The Americans are known to have been impressed by Wigan manager Roberto Martinez but no talks have taken place.
Wigan chairman Dave Whelan has often spoken of his admiration for the Anfield club and it is thought he would be willing to grant the Spaniard permission to discuss the post with Henry and Werner.
Liverpool's owners Fenway Sports Group (FSG) are keen to appoint a replacement at the earliest possible opportunity.
Dalglish left for Spain on a planned family holiday on Wednesday night. His wife Marina wrote on Twitter: "Really sad day for us a family but we all remain LFC fans. All so proud of Kenny."
On Wednesday, sources close to Henry were keen to stress the American owners do have a clear vision for the future of the club and are likely to appoint three senior directors in the coming weeks.
Meetings have been held with a number of potential directors of football, including Johan Cruyff and former Barcelona sporting director Txiki Begiristain, while they have also spoken to at least one candidate to fill the chief executive's role.
Henry and Werner are also thought to be close to appointing a new director of communications to replace Ian Cotton.
While the departure of Dalglish has left something of a power vacuum at Anfield, FSG felt they had to act given Liverpool's failure to challenge for a Champions League qualifying place, a clear target at the start of the season.
Liverpool's most recent annual report revealed that the club's prolonged absence from the competition had cost the club a minimum of £30m in revenue each year.
While the owners were encouraged by the Carling Cup victory in February, the first silverware since 2006, it could not cover up the failings of a poor Premier League campaign.
Steve Clarke, Dalglish's assistant, has handed in his resignation out of loyalty to the 61-year-old Scot.
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Clarke has far more experience than Rodgers did when he took the decision to move into management. He also learnt well from Mourinho as did Clarke.
I completely agree but Liverpool did not jepordise there future by taking that initial plunge, they let a championship side do it for them as we should be doing. Liverppol learnt from there mistake of letting Roy Evans have the job.We are in a possition where we dont need to risk it thats why this is so risky and stupid. No one even knows what the guys style of play is. He may not even now himself
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I've just seen that Norwich have also agreed compensation for 3 of Hughton's backroom staff which wouldn't have been needed with us. Paul Trollope, Colin Calderwood & his chief scout. We already have the backroom team sorted
I don't agree that we have the backroom team sorted at all. If we insist on Downing and Kiely being part of the package, it will be adding insult to injury. The composition of the backroom team (excluding scouts) should be up to the new incumbent. That's how football works.
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Olli Olli Olli..........................................and 57 disappeared ;)
We didnt get your choice either then
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I have relaxed and still don't feel overly happy....
Really uninspired....
Norwich sort it in 6 days, we take 6 weeks. Pfft.
However, Clarke deserves full backing. Just can't help feel we've made a mistake not appointing hughton....
Can we reach 200 pages?
If Norwich want to throw 2 million at an average manager and his back-room staff then good for them. No way is Hughton worth 2 million unless your club is one where 2 million is just loose change, I'm glad Hughton isn't coming here.
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One of the priorities that is evident here is that the head coach is just a member of staff, he doesn't get to adjust the hierarchy below him
Which is completely and utterly wrong, wouldn't you agree? Who gets the chop if things go badly? Whoever carries the can has to be able to assemble the team around him that he wants.
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There is a lesson to be learnt here for WBA.
In a time when social networking is so prevalent and the news cycle is 24/7, WBA need to learn how to play the communication game better.
I think a lot of the disrespect shown towards SC, and certainly my own disappointment at hearing the news, stem from frustration at a lack of communication from the club. Relying instead on tit-bits from the local media often repeating the same story time and again.
I'm not saying that we need to know every detail, but a couple of statements along the way would have helped instead of this media/supporter black out.
We do a lot of things very well, communication isn't one of them.
Brilliant Post mate
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Which is completely and utterly wrong, wouldn't you agree? Who gets the chop if things go badly? Whoever carries the can has to be able to assemble the team around him that he wants.
No, the director of football/head coach system has done us far more good than bad over the past few seasons.
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I don't agree that we have the backroom team sorted at all. If we insist on Downing and Kiely being part of the package, it will be adding insult to injury. The composition of the backroom team (excluding scouts) should be up to the new incumbent. That's how football works.
Well If that's the case I'm very surprised that both Downing and Kiely haven't received their marching orders already. If Steve Clarke joins, I'm sure he'll work with Downing and Kiely if he doesn't fancy bringing anybody in with him. We already have a scouting system which works well, we shouldn't change the way that works for any manager. The only changes that should be made is the type of player we recruit. That will come from the head coach.
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Which is completely and utterly wrong, wouldn't you agree? Who gets the chop if things go badly? Whoever carries the can has to be able to assemble the team around him that he wants.
I believe we've found another major difference between a 'manager' and a 'head coach'! ;D
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i'd like to give you an analogy.
In my job im a second chef and have been for about 6 years, currently in my 3rd job as second chef and ive done a good job in every single place. I choose not to be a head chef because i enjoy just running shifts and being in charge of a team of chefs and not having to do rotas, stocktakes, orders, invoices etc thats not to say i dont want to step up one day and be a head chef. So just because ive never been a head chef but had good experience as a 2nd does that mean id never make a good head chef? I couldve started off as a head chef doing pub grub, and worked my way up but i see it as learning my trade and ive done it in 3 different places.
My point is, he has learnt his trade really really well and he is a risk as he's never done it before but sometimes people need to take risks. It could be seen as a more long term project. How long would Ralf/AVB/Ranieri stuck around? Clarke may want to build his own legac and make a name for himself here, and WBA may want a head coach who will bring stability to the club and fit in with the structure. He strikes as a hands on coach kind of guy and what we may need in this structure.
It could go tits up! But it could work out. I'd like to see more constructive criticism here, and i welcome it and enjoy reading insightful posts. Not just another person saying 'cheap option BLAH'
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No, the director of football/head coach system has done us far more good than bad over the past few seasons.
The job is far easier though when somebody else is going to carry the can for your own mistakes
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The job is far easier though when somebody else is going to carry the can for your own mistakes
Ultimately he is responsible, he just has valuable experience and assistance in certain areas which will allow to focus more on the practical aspects of coaching. Doesn't sound too bad to me.
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I believe we've found another major difference between a 'manager' and a 'head coach'! ;D
So Downing and Kiely just carry on ad infinitum (or until they choose to leave) regardless of how good or bad they are? It makes no sense at all to me. We insisted that Appleton had to be part of the furniture, but then he left of his own accord anyway. We are limiting the number of people who would be willing to come to the club as head coach by insisting on things such as this.
Does anyone serious believe that there aren't better coaches than Downing and Kiely around?
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West Brom defender Liam Ridgewell on Twitter: "Just heard Steve Clarke to get the job. Sounds like a good one to me. Worked at some great clubs and done well. ?#bringonthenewseason"
All those players who also must be so underwhelmed ::)
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I have had a rant but it wont make any difference, now lets get the appointment over with tomorrow, make Clarke the Head Coach, and lets get on with life.
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I have to admit being very disappointed with Steve Clarke . It stinks of Albion doing things on the cheap . I cant see this satisfying the want-away players in the squad
At this moment in time , we have replaced a very experienced manager with a 'rookie' , released a couple of key members of the squad , have other key members actively looking to leave and lost out goalkeeper!!
I could be off to bet365 to invest in relegation!!
TRYING HARD TO KEEP THE FAITH!!
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Bit underwhelmed and concerned that we are replacing the most experienced manager we have had in recent years with an unproven one BUT he is an experienced coach at this level and with plenty of euro experience as well so happy to give him a go before I start hanging people.
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I have read post after post and am in absolute amazement at this appointment
Can someone please please tell me on what grounds we would hire someone with no Managerial experience at any level.
At West ham when Zola was sacked
At Liverpool when Kenny was sacked
Since Chelsea has had no success.......
Even if it was Phelen you could kind of justify it with a link to the club
Can someone help me out here
All the responces are about Rodgers doing it but this was a championship club tht took him on with nothingto loose.
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I have read post after post and am in absolute amazement at this appointment
Can someone please please tell me on what grounds we would hire someone with no Managerial experience at any level.
At West ham wen Zola was sacked
At Liverpool wen Kenny was sacked
Since Chelsea has had no success.......
Even if it was Phelen you could kind of justify it with a link to the club
Can someone help me out here
All the responces are about Rodgers doing it but this was a championship club tht took him on with nothingto loose.
in my post further up the page ive tried to put my positive spin on it. Also look at RDM before he was with us he had one years experince at MK dons if he wasnt an amazing former chelsea creative midfielder we'd have been up in arms about it.
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I can understand it may restrict potential managers if it is insisted we keep Downing and Kiely but aside from that why is it assumed that they are rubbish coaches?
Since those two have been on the coaching staff we have won promotion, finished 11th and finished 10th, without doubt other people have probably had bigger parts to play in that too (RDM, Newton, Hodgson) but they have played their part and so bit disrespectful to assume they are rubbish because they are not big names.
Kiely moved into coaching from playing and since coaching Carson has got back into the England squad (whether right or wrong, lack of options, etc fact remains he did) and Foster last season was one of the best keepers in the league, again you cant say thats all down to Deano but he worked with him everyday.
Also Downing has worked his way up from the academy and with the reserves in which time the likes of Dawason, Mulumbu and Dorrans have impressed and got into the first team picture and with Thorne, Mantom, Berainho, Daniels all looking promising and appearing to be close to first team action i would say his coaching cant of been too bad.
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Bit underwhelmed and concerned that we are replacing the most experienced manager we have had in recent years with an unproven one BUT he is an experienced coach at this level and with plenty of euro experience as well so happy to give him a go before I start hanging people.
So hanging people is allowed but my post about if I hear a certain phrase again I'll shoot somebody isn't? Hmmmmmm.
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I still can't understand why Rangnick has been ruled out?
If the guy didn't want the job surely his agent would of come out and make it public but nothing has been said at all?
Just seems ludicrous its been 6 weeks and we get this as our 'Plan B'. Shocking.
However regarding Clarke, the more I think about it, the more I think it would be a better fit, however I still have doubts about his leadership, charisma and experience to be head coach. I could imagine him to be a very good trainer but from the footage someone linked earlier, his interview nearly sent me to sleep.
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So hanging people is allowed but my post about if I hear a certain phrase again I'll shoot somebody isn't? Hmmmmmm.
No idea what post you're on about as i'm away but I haven't said I am going to hang anyone whereas you seem to have been making a case for something different so i'd stick to the topic.
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I still can't understand why Rangnick has been ruled out?
If the guy didn't want the job surely his agent would of come out and make it public but nothing has been said at all?
Just seems ludicrous its been 6 weeks and we get this as our 'Plan B'. Shocking.
However regarding Clarke, the more I think about it, the more I think it would be a better fit, however I still have doubts about his leadership, charisma and experience to be head coach. I could imagine him to be a very good trainer but from the footage someone linked earlier, his interview nearly sent me to sleep.
In fairness if someones taking so long to decide on the job it probably hints that they don't really want it and they're treating it as a last resort. You don't want a head coach who's not enthusiastic to be there and thinks they've lowered themselves to join that role. The thing was beginning to look like Hargreaves last summer, just hanging on as long as humanly possible till someone else came in for him.
At least Clarke will presumably want to be here.
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Lets get the facts from JP what the hell as gone on. We the fans deserve to know the truth. I will give Clarke a chance but they are Albion fans saying they want their season ticket money back. But has I said we want a full statement from JP
that'll be a first if we get a straight answer!!
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I still can't understand why Rangnick has been ruled out?
If the guy didn't want the job surely his agent would of come out and make it public but nothing has been said at all?
Just seems ludicrous its been 6 weeks and we get this as our 'Plan B'. Shocking.
However regarding Clarke, the more I think about it, the more I think it would be a better fit, however I still have doubts about his leadership, charisma and experience to be head coach. I could imagine him to be a very good trainer but from the footage someone linked earlier, his interview nearly sent me to sleep.
Deeply concerning, Uncharismaticm, unexperienced, unactractive appointment.
I will give him every chance but my heart sank when I heard the news.
JP AND THE BOYS did well delaying it till after we all bought our season tickets.
Now all to look forward to is the mass exodus of our stars
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Deeply concerning, Uncharismaticm, unexperienced, unactractive appointment.
I will give him every chance but my heart sank when I heard the news.
JP AND THE BOYS did well delaying it till after we all bought our season tickets.
Now all to look forward to is the mass exodus of our stars
This sort of idea really is ridiculous. Players aren't going to stay or leave because we go Rangnick. As it happens Clarke has a good reputation and i'm sure the players will ask friends about him and get a good response. But in general people aren't going to stay or leave based on how high profile the manager is - unless he has a horrific reputation that is, which isn't the case.
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I still can't understand why Rangnick has been ruled out?
If the guy didn't want the job surely his agent would of come out and make it public but nothing has been said at all?
Just seems ludicrous its been 6 weeks and we get this as our 'Plan B'. Shocking.
However regarding Clarke, the more I think about it, the more I think it would be a better fit, however I still have doubts about his leadership, charisma and experience to be head coach. I could imagine him to be a very good trainer but from the footage someone linked earlier, his interview nearly sent me to sleep.
yes, but mowbrays interviews were great and he took us down!
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I dont know why but i got a feeling that someone else might come into the mix, if he was having talks today then surely he may have been appointed by now. So then a press confrence would of been called for friday. I would be happy with Clarke but i still feel that the club might talk to someone else.It was the same with Hughton last year.
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I dont know why but i got a feeling that someone else might come into the mix, if he was having talks today then surely he may have been appointed by now. So then a press confrence would of been called for friday. I would be happy with Clarke but i still feel that the club might talk to someone else.It was the same with Hughton last year.
The Bookies have stopped taking bets
Ridgewell has tweeted the appointment
Wake up!! Its not a bad nightmare this is real
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I dont know why but i got a feeling that someone else might come into the mix, if he was having talks today then surely he may have been appointed by now. So then a press confrence would of been called for friday. I would be happy with Clarke but i still feel that the club might talk to someone else.It was the same with Hughton last year.
AVB?
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I dont know why but i got a feeling that someone else might come into the mix, if he was having talks today then surely he may have been appointed by now. So then a press confrence would of been called for friday. I would be happy with Clarke but i still feel that the club might talk to someone else.It was the same with Hughton last year.
Has Clarke actually been spotted with West Brom Representatives?
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Stop it guys, we'd all like someone with "number 1" experience but its Clarke, it must be. Everything points towards Clarke
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Reading through this thread is extremely depressing, so much negative drivel. Steve Clarke has been respected as an outstanding coach for a long time. Mourinho had stated that he well make a top manager (not a bad endorsement), he enjoyed success at West Ham leading them to 9th and was very much more than a back stage number two (Zola was very inexperienced at the time), so highly thought of that he was the highest paid assistant manager in the premiership! Dalglish took him to Liverpool, another very big job and Liverpool averaged 2 points a game under Dalglish / Clarke once one Roy Hodgson was sacked. He has a reputation for bringing through young players, for wanting to play the game in a positive and attack minded style. Above all he is at home on the training pitch, working with players day in and day out which is what we need from a head coach and he is emmersed in the Premiership, he understands the demands of the league which is important.
The last time I can remember so many fans moaning about a new managerial appointment "on the cheap" was when the board appointed some unknown bloke called Gary Megson and look at how that worked out.
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The main reason I'm feeling deflated with the latest PRESS SPECULATION that RR as turned us down was my hope of him not only improving all the lads at the Albion at all levels but the fresh lads from Germany i was hoping he would bring with him.
I'm holding out until its official RR is out of the running or in it.
Still nothing off our German poster. ???
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Steve Clarke ?? ::) Yes that gets me excited, he has a resume of.................nothing, so since its not that he would be appointed upon then what ? I am sorry but I am really disappointed in the way this has been handled and the time we have taken and then we came up with this !
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Stop it guys, we'd all like someone with "number 1" experience but its Clarke, it must be. Everything points towards Clarke
What makes you come to that conclusion
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Has Clarke actually been spotted with West Brom Representatives?
Presumably someone has spotted him with them outside McDonalds.
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Am no ITK thank god :) and i am happy with Clarke. But like i said,last year it was all pointing to Hughton intill the very last moment. So we should not rule anything out. What happens if Clarke rejects us? You just never know in football. p.s am not a clarke hater am just saying we shouldnt rule anything out intill Clarke signs on the dotted line :D
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Anybody elses odds shortening today?
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Steve Clarke ?? ::) Ye that gets me excited, he has a resume of.................nothing, so since its not that he would be appointed upon then what ? I am sorry but I am really disappointed in the way this has been handled and the time we have taken and then we came up with this !
These kind of responses are depressing, look him up. He doesn't have nothing he just has never been a number 1.
Wish these negative posts were coming across as educated and informed as some of the positive ones. I'm yet to see a level headed post here.
I'm not saying it's a positive appointment but at least make a point like the guy who said about him being at clubs when Kenny/Zola were sacked
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Stop it guys, we'd all like someone with "number 1" experience but its Clarke, it must be. Everything points towards Clarke
No it doesn't; he's not even on our poll for next manager ;D
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So hanging people is allowed but my post about if I hear a certain phrase again I'll shoot somebody isn't? Hmmmmmm.
I assume it was more to do with the lack of context in the post. Just the luck, really, if we deleted every post that was worth nothing in here, this thread would be no where near page 100, let alone 200.
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Anybody elses odds shortening today?
Downings!
I just said everything points towards Clarke as in; CL reports, Ridgewells tweet, the odds, the press but having said that last week i though Rangnick was our new manager because of press reports so you never know things may change a la Hughton last year.
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Having read the report from bbc sport I feel kind of bad and at the same time disappointed not because I think Steve Clarke would make a bad coach but because I I've been reading on here that so many people are underwhelmed with the possible decision.
If I and the other German posters hadn't come on here, you wouldn't have had any expectations about a potential Rangnick appointment. So, I just want to say sorry for loading you up emotionally from my part. There's no news from German media though.
Having said that it's always a risk to appoint a man who only used to be a number 2 (that sounds weird). But imo it's worth a shot. You never know before how he'll be doing. It can work out, it can be a total disaster. I know 6 weeks for appointing a manager/headcoach is a long time but it shows me that your board didn't want to rush things and think carefully about it. Plus I really liked the way the chairman and the board handled it. Supporting a club myself where nearly everything leaks to the public I'd rather have the approach of WBA.
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Deeply concerning, Uncharismaticm, unexperienced, unactractive appointment.
I will give him every chance but my heart sank when I heard the news.
JP AND THE BOYS did well delaying it till after we all bought our season tickets.
Now all to look forward to is the mass exodus of our stars
What do you want for 349 quid?? You've got the best set of players we have ever had, Clarke by all accounts likes the ball to feet so we could well have attractive football next season, and we have now got 3 months to assemble a squad to move forward next season and retain our premiership status. You need to get back to reality, our goal will be to finish 17th or above again this season, any top manager will not be happy with that so we have to look at the next level and this appointment is what DA/JP see as the best fit for WBA moving forward. Just because the name underwhelms you now, you haven't got a clue what he is like as a person or coach so why the constant knocking, if Ashworth has scouted him half as much as he does a player before we sign them then he obviously see's something in him, judge after the season starts instead of bitching because we aint got a so called BIG name that you demand because we finished 10th ONCE in the premiership!
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Meanwhile...
Christian Machowski
?@ChristianMcr
Ralf Rangnick's agent has told @SPORTBILD this afternoon, that Rangnick has turned down West Brom's offer. #wba
Swiftly followed by:
Chris Lepkowski
@chrislepkowski
Well there you go. No surprise. Someone is telling porkies... #youdecide #wba
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Having read the report from bbc sport I feel kind of bad and at the same time disappointed not because I think Steve Clarke would make a bad coach but because I I've been reading on here that so many people are underwhelmed with the possible decision.
If I and the other German posters hadn't come on here, you wouldn't have had any expectations about a potential Rangnick appointment. So, I just want to say sorry for loading you up emotionally from my part. There's no news from German media though.
Having said that it's always a risk to appoint a man who only used to be a number 2 (that sounds weird). But imo it's worth a shot. You never know before how he'll be doing. It can work out, it can be a total disaster. I know 6 weeks for appointing a manager/headcoach is a long time but it shows me that your board didn't want to rush things and think carefully about it. Plus I really liked the way the chairman and the board handled it. Supporting a club myself where nearly everything leaks to the public I'd rather have the approach of WBA.
Don't feel bad. You and the other German posters have been a breath of fresh air to the site and I think everybody would agree that you're more than welcome to remain on the site and follow us as a club and comment on our matchday discussions. If we're all being honest, we all thought Ralf was the only man possible for the job and we all got slightly carried away. You and the other German posters remained intelligent with your posts on the site and your English has als been very good. I would love nothing more than to see you, and the other posters following the club throughout next season and beyond. Your good conduct on here has probably earned Schalke a couple more fans.
Danke!
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I'd get behind this Clarke guy if he's appointed, I hope we all will. But I do hope Rangnick gets the job. I hadn't heard of him but his record isn't half bad. The Belgium position has gone to someone else now so that has to be a positive for us.
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Having read the report from bbc sport I feel kind of bad and at the same time disappointed not because I think Steve Clarke would make a bad coach but because I I've been reading on here that so many people are underwhelmed with the possible decision.
If I and the other German posters hadn't come on here, you wouldn't have had any expectations about a potential Rangnick appointment. So, I just want to say sorry for loading you up emotionally from my part. There's no news from German media though.
Having said that it's always a risk to appoint a man who only used to be a number 2 (that sounds weird). But imo it's worth a shot. You never know before how he'll be doing. It can work out, it can be a total disaster. I know 6 weeks for appointing a manager/headcoach is a long time but it shows me that your board didn't want to rush things and think carefully about it. Plus I really liked the way the chairman and the board handled it. Supporting a club myself where nearly everything leaks to the public I'd rather have the approach of WBA.
i will diffo be following shalke 04 from now on, cheers fella
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I'd get behind this Clarke guy if he's appointed, I hope we all will. But I do hope Rangnick gets the job. I hadn't heard of him but his record isn't half bad. The Belgium position has gone to someone else now so that has to be a positive for us.
Look up ^^^^^^
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I'd get behind this Clarke guy if he's appointed, I hope we all will. But I do hope Rangnick gets the job. I hadn't heard of him but his record isn't half bad. The Belgium position has gone to someone else now so that has to be a positive for us.
Not a great job of reading recent posts their mate! Look up!
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I'm very much divided at the minute.
On one hand, the appointment is underwhelming considering some of the names we were linked with and seemingly how close we came to getting Rangnick. I accept he also would have been a risk with no Premier League experience, but I don't think he'd be as big a risk as Clarke is.
Clarke is clearly a good, or very good coach, which in some ways is suited to our system. However, his lack of experience in the N01 role is a concern for me at a time when we've just come off having an experienced coach/manager who worked wonders. For all of Clarke's good coaching skills, we don't know what he's like tactically, what style of play, team-talks, substitutions that he will be required to deal with should he become head coach.
Potentially, this could prove to be a master-stroke should Clarke be able to mix to his evident abilities as a coach with the rest of the roles that the senior job entails. However, if he can't, then this appointment will be shown up as the huge risk it is in comparison to someone like Rangnick or Hughton.
I think there has been some very valid concerns over him raised on this thread, I think we've all had our expectations heightened by what we achieved under Roy and who we were linked with for this job, e.g Rangnick, Ranieri and AVB. What I don't think is valid is people saying that we're going to lose all of our "star" players because of this appointment.
Olsson has seemingly had his heart set on moving for some while, we're no nearer to getting Foster than we were when Roy was in charge, and to be honest I do doubt the validity of the quotes surrounding Odemwingie and Mulumbu.
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Steve Madeley ?@stevemadeley
Rangnick's agent has told German media he turned Albion down. Albion say he was never offered the job. Anyhow, it will be Clarke. #wba
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I'm very much divided at the minute.
On one hand, the appointment is underwhelming considering some of the names we were linked with and seemingly how close we came to getting Rangnick. I accept he also would have been a risk with no Premier League experience, but I don't think he'd be as big a risk as Clarke is.
Clarke is clearly a good, or very good coach, which in some ways is suited to our system. However, his lack of experience in the N01 role is a concern for me at a time when we've just come off having an experienced coach/manager who worked wonders. For all of Clarke's good coaching skills, we don't know what he's like tactically, what style of play, team-talks, substitutions that he will be required to deal with should he become head coach.
Potentially, this could prove to be a master-stroke should Clarke be able to mix to his evident abilities as a coach with the rest of the roles that the senior job entails. However, if he can't, then this appointment will be shown up as the huge risk it is in comparison to someone like Rangnick or Hughton.
I think there has been some very valid concerns over him raised on this thread, I think we've all had our expectations heightened by what we achieved under Roy and who we were linked with for this job, e.g Rangnick, Ranieri and AVB. What I don't think is valid is people saying that we're going to lose all of our "star" players because of this appointment.
Olsson has seemingly had his heart set on moving for some while, we're no nearer to getting Foster than we were when Roy was in charge, and to be honest I do doubt the validity of the quotes surrounding Odemwingie and Mulumbu.
Best post yet i'd say
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Don't feel bad. You and the other German posters have been a breath of fresh air to the site and I think everybody would agree that you're more than welcome to remain on the site and follow us as a club and comment on our matchday discussions.
I agree entirely - stick around guys, if you can bear it!
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We didnt get your choice either then
Sadly not JR I was firmly in the Hughton camp thought he would be a great fit for us. Looks like JP was true to form.....the numbers didnt add up. A bit underwelmed that we are appointing someone without any Head Coach experience but he has my support.
Perhaps we could start a Steve Clarke Appreciation thread as a way of letting go of our fading hopes :'(
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Not a great job of reading recent posts their mate! Look up!
Well it's quite hard, they are posted every 9 seconds. So it looks like its Clarke. Like I say, i'll get behind him but i'm not overly pleased. Especially with the other names that have been linked over the last few weeks
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Mods are getting a bit post removal happy.
Fair enough you had already posted CL's tweets. But there was more to my message than the tweet. Never mind.
Let's get behind Clarke is how the removed one finished. Please leave this one as I'd like the sentiment posted.
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Steve Madeley ?@stevemadeley
Rangnick's agent has told German media he turned Albion down. Albion say he was never offered the job. Anyhow, it will be Clarke. #wba
Well he would say that wouldnt he irrespective of the truth. His client is paying him!
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Steve Madeley ?@stevemadeley
Rangnick's agent has told German media he turned Albion down. Albion say he was never offered the job. Anyhow, it will be Clarke. #wba
someone is telling porkies, and i kinda wanna know who!
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RR turned us down, the club are now playing dum and Clarke will be our number one choice from the begining.
Shame as I was hoping RR would say yes.
Better get used to Clarke :(
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RR may have said no, but I'm happy to give my support to Clarke!
I just hope he does well at his step up!
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This sort of idea really is ridiculous. Players aren't going to stay or leave because we go Rangnick. As it happens Clarke has a good reputation and i'm sure the players will ask friends about him and get a good response. But in general people aren't going to stay or leave based on how high profile the manager is - unless he has a horrific reputation that is, which isn't the case.
I'm not sure if they will leave because of Clarke, but to say player's don't leave based on who a manager is is wrong - it's all about the future plans of the club. If a player's ambitions don't match the club, they'll be off. We've sent out the "doing it on the cheap" signals, hardly going to make players like Olsson and Pete say "hey, we want to be part of this, we could achieve something".
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I would also like to say a big thank you to Schalke04FC & the other German lads for there input, its been refreshing to read what your thoughts & insight on the PROFFESSER were.
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Meanwhile...
Christian Machowski
?@ChristianMcr
Ralf Rangnick's agent has told @SPORTBILD this afternoon, that Rangnick has turned down West Brom's offer. #wba
Swiftly followed by:
Chris Lepkowski
@chrislepkowski
Well there you go. No surprise. Someone is telling porkies... #youdecide #wba
Here we go the usual.................we will never get anything near the truth from Peace as his spin machine will go into overdrive now after six weeks of nothing and not even reassuring the fans. We'll not get a decent response as to why Clarke, a number two, has been chosen after so long and at such a vital time for the Club.
I could quite understand if we were appointing at Championship level but we are not and this stinks of a Peace 'Yes Man'.
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At the end of the day, we have always under JP (and should continue to do so in my opinion) done our business in private. All the stuff in the press at the minute is agent talk and speculation. Did we offer RR the post? Only the board and RR truely know (but it is in the best interest of RR for his agent to suggest that it we did).
If Clarke is appointed, there is no point bitching about it, nobody on here can influence it/change it, nor do they know the full circumstances behind any of the negotiations be it with Blues over Hughton, RR , or Sir Alex at Man U.
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I am still expecting a twist in this. This has gone on too long for us to settle with Clarke.
Or am I clutching at straws?
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It's exciting to see a long-time respected No. 2 get a chance at the driver's seat in the Premier League. Yes, we'll be into firmly into the world of terra incognita http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_incognita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_incognita). That's a country I don't mind visiting, myself.
A Clarke appointment could be hugely interesting, and it could be a disaster. It's a little hard to imagine Steve Clarke merely husbanding the team back to 10th place. We're either going to up our game, or hello nPower. At least that's how my confused tea leaves read to me. But I will say this: this is all going to be a lot of fun to watch. He very well knows that from the beginning, he's going to have a lot to prove, both to players and fans. He'll be trying to survive. How can we not give the bloke a fighting chance? Are we really so above the need to believe in the impossible?
My big hope is that Clarke helps bring a drive to win and a stout fighting heart to Albion.
Look, folks. We're not the most fashionable team in the world. We were never going to land an AVB or some fancy trenchcoat-wearing rock star manager. But more than any other Premier team at the moment, as I see it, we carry the hopes and dreams of underdogs everywhere in England. So, it's time to raise your hopes and to dream big and to fight for the impossible.
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Here we go the usual.................we will never get anything near the truth from Peace as his spin machine will go into overdrive now after six weeks of nothing and not even reassuring the fans. We'll not get a decent response as to why Clarke, a number two, has been chosen after so long and at such a vital time for the Club.
I could quite understand if we were appointing at Championship level but we are not and this stinks of a Peace 'Yes Man'.
He we go the usual slander of JP based on zero facts.
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I am still expecting a twist in this. This has gone on too long for us to settle with Clarke.
Or am I clutching at straws?
Clutching I think mate! :D
Everyone kept saying they expected it to be someone out of left-field, well that's we got!
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I'm not sure if they will leave because of Clarke, but to say player's don't leave based on who a manager is is wrong - it's all about the future plans of the club. If a player's ambitions don't match the club, they'll be off. We've sent out the "doing it on the cheap" signals, hardly going to make players like Olsson and Pete say "hey, we want to be part of this, we could achieve something".
And the signals were massively different when they joined the club? ::)
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Didn't someone say we normally have Thursday press conferences, obviously the bank holiday put paid to that.
So whos going to start page 200 then
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Look, folks. We're not the most fashionable team in the world.
Obviously not the most fashionable area in the world either. (http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=8179.0) :P ;D
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Don't feel bad. You and the other German posters have been a breath of fresh air to the site and I think everybody would agree that you're more than welcome to remain on the site and follow us as a club and comment on our matchday discussions. If we're all being honest, we all thought Ralf was the only man possible for the job and we all got slightly carried away. You and the other German posters remained intelligent with your posts on the site and your English has als been very good. I would love nothing more than to see you, and the other posters following the club throughout next season and beyond. Your good conduct on here has probably earned Schalke a couple more fans.
Danke!
Thank you very much for your kind words. Sportbild just released the report. It just says "after careful consideration Ralf has decided not to take the offer from Westbromwich". No reasons mentioned in the report. I don't know what he's waiting for or who's right in this game. Maybe he'll talk about it later. I must say that Westbromwich Albion more and more grew on me. And as a Schalke supporter I am already use to suffer (we're famous for our first class bottling when it comes to titles), so that won't be a problem to me. Plus we have the same background (coal and steel). I'll stick around, keep reading on here and I will start watching "Brommie" matches.
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Let's hope there is talk of a TRansfer Warchest to back the new Head Coach when it's eventually announced (yawn !) but I doubt it - I bet it's all about getting the best from the squad and bringing through players. All well and good but when we have forked out for quality we can see the difference to when we have 'made-do' in previous Premiership stints. We needed to keep the spine of the team (plus Foster) and bring in more quality to supplement them but now I fear the new guy will be encouraged to use mostly what we have whilst the Chairman rubs his hands with glee.
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Clutching I think mate! :D
Everyone kept saying they expected it to be someone out of left-field, well that's we got!
You're probably right. I just don't believe it's taken six weeks to land Clarke. No matter what the club might tell us!
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Thank you very much for your kind words. Sportbild just released the report. It just says "after careful consideration Ralf has decided not to take the offer from Westbromwich". No reasons mentioned in the report. I don't know what he's waiting for or who's right in this game. Maybe he'll talk about it later. I must say that Westbromwich Albion more and more grew on me. And as a Schalke supporter I am already use to suffer (we're famous for our first class bottling when it comes to titles), so that won't be a problem to me. Plus we have the same background (coal and steel). I'll stick around, keep reading on here and I will start watching "Brommie" matches.
come back during the course of the new season, we might need all the support we can get
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Are we sure that we have not got a lot of dingles posting on here i have never heard such negative nonsense written by some people in all my life
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You're probably right. I just don't believe it's taken six weeks to land Clarke. No matter what the club might tell us!
Don't believe a word what they say, its all lies
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Seeing as Jose loves Steve so much maybe we can have some Real players on loan please? :D
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Are we sure that we have not got a lot of dingles posting on here i have never heard such negative nonsense written by some people in all my life
Have you read other boards, this is quite mild in relation
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Have you read other boards, this is quite mild in relation
Yes, this is one of the more sensible boards.
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Seeing as Jose loves Steve so much maybe we can have some Real players on loan please? :D
Did he loan any to Liverpool and West Ham, there is your answer
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Did he loan any to Liverpool and West Ham, there is your answer
Steve Clarke wasn't main man there though was he, there is your clue.
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Steve Clarke wasn't main man there though was he, there is you clue.
bugger, you got me there :D
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Hope there is a change of heart before he's appointed.....How very very dissapointing.
An opportunity to kick on from two great finishes in the league and this is a very backward step in my opinion.
Id rather have given a young hungry up and coming younger manager who has at least cut his teeth at being a number one.
The bloke looks a right misery, never smiles.......give me Holloway over this clown , at least we would see some exciting times.
Got a very bad feeling about this appointment, why couldn't we do better, was thinking of getting a season ticket, I won't be doing so now.
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The bloke looks a right misery, never smiles....
Except when he does: http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article824848.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Liverpool+v+Chelsea+-+Premier+League
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Are we sure that we have not got a lot of dingles posting on here i have never heard such negative nonsense written by some people in all my life
I don't think anyone is doing cartwheels over this one mush
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I don't think anyone is doing cartwheels over this one mush
I don't really think there was one person we could've really gotten in who would've. :P
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Hope there is a change of heart before he's appointed.....How very very dissapointing.
An opportunity to kick on from two great finishes in the league and this is a very backward step in my opinion.
Id rather have given a young hungry up and coming younger manager who has at least cut his teeth at being a number one.
The bloke looks a right misery, never smiles.......give me Holloway over this clown , at least we would see some exciting times.
Got a very bad feeling about this appointment, why couldn't we do better, was thinking of getting a season ticket, I won't be doing so now.
It took an age to highlight the word clown using my phone and when I finally manage words fail me.
Whatever Clarke is he is not a clown and is more than likely the next head coach of West Bromwich Albion Football Club. We are all entitled to our opinion I know but there is no need for that. That's what they do down the road. Remember you're a baggy.
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Hope there is a change of heart before he's appointed.....How very very dissapointing.
An opportunity to kick on from two great finishes in the league and this is a very backward step in my opinion.
Id rather have given a young hungry up and coming younger manager who has at least cut his teeth at being a number one.
The bloke looks a right misery, never smiles.......give me Holloway over this clown , at least we would see some exciting times.
Got a very bad feeling about this appointment, why couldn't we do better, was thinking of getting a season ticket, I won't be doing so now.
To call the guy a clown is out of order, I'm sure we'll get by without this kind of support.
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I'm not sure if they will leave because of Clarke, but to say player's don't leave based on who a manager is is wrong - it's all about the future plans of the club. If a player's ambitions don't match the club, they'll be off. We've sent out the "doing it on the cheap" signals, hardly going to make players like Olsson and Pete say "hey, we want to be part of this, we could achieve something".
There is no coach we could appoint that would alter what we are and critically how much money we have to spend on players wages. It is wages that are the players main concern and everything else is just window dressing and PR fluff. The players are not going to stick around to be part of something special if there is another half a million on offer down the road.
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Hope there is a change of heart before he's appointed.....How very very dissapointing.
An opportunity to kick on from two great finishes in the league and this is a very backward step in my opinion.
Id rather have given a young hungry up and coming younger manager who has at least cut his teeth at being a number one.
The bloke looks a right misery, never smiles.......give me Holloway over this clown , at least we would see some exciting times.
Got a very bad feeling about this appointment, why couldn't we do better, was thinking of getting a season ticket, I won't be doing so now.
At last somome else who would prefer Holloway, i wouldnt say Clarke was a clown like some call Holloway a clown though. Talking of clowns did anyone see holloway at Bolton
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Sorry if I've missed this earlier but am I right in saying Clarke is having more talks today?
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I think it is a very good appointment and one that I can say I am looking forward to. Top coach as he is regarded by most in football.
Difference is if he was a manager who had to deal with the club from top to bottom then yes I may have more reservations but basically he will pick the team and take training and all the rest will be done by Ashworth and Peace.
Good luck Steve!!
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Also just having read the last 20 pages there really are some Albion fans who really have got disillusions of grandeur about our club. We are not viewed as a big club by the football world so why would anyone expect us to get big name managers and players is beyond me. Anyone slating the appointment before a ball has been kicked needs to take a look at themselves and maybe form an opinion after we see what he can do rather than just guess?
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Also just having read the last 20 pages there really are some Albion fans who really have got disillusions of grandeur about our club. We are not viewed as a big club by the football world so why would anyone expect us to get big name managers and players is beyond me. Anyone slating the appointment before a ball has been kicked needs to take a look at themselves and maybe form an opinion after we see what he can do rather than just guess?
I couldn't agree more. Great post.
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It seems like everyone's chilled out now we've got to 200 pages.
Maybe that was the driver for the outpouring of feeling 8)
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May I add another twist.
What if Clarke turns us down, then what? :o
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As far as I can make out the only irrefutable criticism that has been levelled of Steve Clarke is that he has never been a Head Coach. So lets get Mick McCarthy or David O'Leary or Alex McLeish all of whom have a far greater level of experience than Steve Clarke.
I think you will find that McLeish has won trophies both him and McCarthy have managed international teams and O'Leary guided Leeds to the Champions League. CV's which probably stand comparison with our last manager okay all of them have been sacked recently or not so recently in the case of O'Leary but then again Roy had been dismissed by Liverpool prior to joining us.
For those of you with short memories here are a few comments that greeted Roy's appointment again before a ball had been kicked.
Hodgson wasn't my choice at all I wanted Jol or Hughton. I was perfectly happy when Hughton was 1/20 with the bookmakers, within no time we appointed Hodgson who like McLaren is a "never was" apart from one good season with Fulham. Can see this all going wrong.
I really want to believe this is a good appointment, but I have read so many bad things about Hodgson's methods and style that I don't think I have ever been more concerned about a new manager.
I Think it is going too far myself. Hodgson is not as obselete as betamax but I still haven't got over us losing de Matteo (HD quality rather than DVD though) but hey as PB says we have to get behind the new boss.
Totally peeded off with this appointment i got a feeling theres is going to be alot of booing sunday afternoon.
gawd help us
think you will find Hughton would have had much more experience than RDM.
Anyway i was not happy with Hodgson but i am warming to him.Even more so if we beat the Dings
In fairness there was nowhere near the negativity surrounding Roy's appointment compared to the suggestion that Steve Clarke becomes our new Head Coach but nevertheless there were plenty of doom mongers to be found in March 2011.
In short give the guy a chance do not prejudge him and you never know we might be pleasantly surprised.
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My first positive on Clarke, he may well bring out the best in our up and coming youngsters and he will be able to understand what Allen and Dorrans say
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i was in a pub earlier and saw skysports on the screen and they had west brom fans on reacting to the impending appointment - i didnt hear what they said - i hope they didnt sound like vile, brum, scum and bburn fans.
I DO NOT WANT MY CLUB TARNISHED - I PREACH THE WBA WAY OF GETTING BEHIND EVERY PERSON IN THE CLUB.
I would be sickened if what they were saying was bad. We are West Brom, we are a great club, We love our team, players, coach - whoever that may be.
Everyone loves West Brom even when they are not fans, we have a humour that cannot be matched anywhere in the leagues.
Lets keep it that way,
COME ON YOU BAGGIES
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I am still expecting a twist in this. This has gone on too long for us to settle with Clarke.
Or am I clutching at straws?
Cue Lee Clark stepping in from behind the door when they eventually (probably in about 2 years time) decide to call the press conference to unveil the new 'Head Coach'.
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Already posted on fans reaction on SSN. They were sensible and a credit to us. One bloke said it was the cheap option. But no dingle / seal over-reaction.
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Already posted on fans reaction on SSN. They were sensible and a credit to us. One bloke said it was the cheap option. But no dingle / seal over-reaction.
Great i'm really pleased to hear that - i filled myself with dread when i saw it.
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Also just having read the last 20 pages there really are some Albion fans who really have got disillusions of grandeur about our club. We are not viewed as a big club by the football world so why would anyone expect us to get big name managers and players is beyond me. Anyone slating the appointment before a ball has been kicked needs to take a look at themselves and maybe form an opinion after we see what he can do rather than just guess?
I wouldn't call Ralf Rangnick or Chris Hughton big name managers,but they are managers.
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I wouldn't call Ralf Rangnick or Chris Hughton big name managers,but they are managers.
Yes and we couldn't attract them either, sort of proves the point doesn't it?
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My first positive on Clarke, he may well bring out the best in our up and coming youngsters and he will be able to understand what Allen and Dorrans say
Good to see your moving on
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May I add another twist.
What if Clarke turns us down, then what? :o
We get Mike Phelan
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Steve clarke what a joke really am unimpressed with this.
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Slaven Bilic the Croatia manger is stepping down after the Euros could we all wait that long IF HE WAS AVALIBLE
I Know it wont happen but i can dream carn't i.
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Slaven Bilic the Croatia manger is stepping down after the Euros could we all wait that long IF HE WAS AVALIBLE
I Know it wont happen but i can dream carn't i.
He already agreed to join Lokomotiv Moscow didn't he?
I am happy with Clarke after reading about him.
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It took an age to highlight the word clown using my phone and when I finally manage words fail me.
Whatever Clarke is he is not a clown and is more than likely the next head coach of West Bromwich Albion Football Club. We are all entitled to our opinion I know but there is no need for that. That's what they do down the road. Remember you're a baggy.
Knee jerk reaction to hearing the news, got to wish the guy the best , but it still smacks of a cheap appointment and not someone who I would have gone for.
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So, what kind of football philosophy should we expect should Clarke get The job?
And more importantly is he a suit or trackie kind of guy? :D
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He already agreed to join Lokomotiv Moscow didn't he?
I am happy with Clarke after reading about him.
I mist that bit of news addy :-[ Thanks
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I'm warming to the idea of Clarke coming having initially thought it was a pretty ordinary appointment. I think he's probably got a hunger and drive that will surprise one or two and matched with his Premier league knowledge it could be an inspired choice. However, I'm not totally ruling someone else coming as all the rumours surrounding him seem to be following the same pattern as all the others who've been mentioned.
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I felt ok about Clarke until I just saw a pic of Hughton sat behind a huge canary :(
I guess Delia's pockets are deeper than ours.
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Ooooops - looks like we'll have to change the Poll again, it doesn't say Clarke and Rangnick is still well out in front. No comment from the Club as yet, panic ensues. :o :o :o
It won't be Hughton anyway and Bruce looks as if he's gone, Lambert and Rodgers have gone to massive Clubs who have won the European Cup and old Roberto has gone back to his Dad at Wigan. :P :P :P
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I felt ok about Clarke until I just saw a pic of Hughton sat behind a huge canary :(
I guess Delia's pockets are deeper than ours.
how many times it's not about the money it's about the backroom staff,
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I'm still underwhelmed but i am coming round to the idea. It is entering into the unknown a bit but i like that.
No one knows what formation, tactics, type of football, team selection, signings, and personality we are getting. I am quite excited about finding all these out.
I am not commenting again on this topic until we have an official appointment.
Tired of waiting, speculating, discussing etc etc. Just want it done and over with so we can crack on.
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As he's on the poll is AVB being mentioned by anyone other than me or has he been completely, totally and unequivocally ruled out?
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Is our search for a new manager being complicated by our needs of a director of football working above them. Could it be that CH did not like working with this approach ?
Look at the new Liverpool appointment they wanted the new manager to work under a director of football however the new manager said NO ! He is the manager and he is in charge and he will live or die by his decisions.
I just think the current system has limited our options by knowing they may not be fully in control of the system?
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As he's on the poll is AVB being mentioned by anyone other than me or has he been completely, totally and unequivocally ruled out?
In a different league unfortunately.
In terms of preference's other than Clarke; after all that's happened the only name that's still out there who we'd be able to get would be Michael Laudrup.
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A terrible appointment. Championship here we come. I think Peace has bottled as he now realises the longer you stay in the premiership the more it costs in transfer fees and wages to just stay still.
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Is our search for a new manager being complicated by our needs of a director of football working above them. Could it be that CH did not like working with this approach ?
Look at the new Liverpool appointment they wanted the new manager to work under a director of football however the new manager said NO ! He is the manager and he is in charge and he will live or die by his decisions.
I just think the current system has limited our options by knowing they may not be fully in control of the system?
Spot on. It certainly narrows down the options. I guess it has worked for us so far but I guess we've never been in this position before. Hodgson only came here to restore his reputation with one eye on the England job.
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i really am quite underwhelmed by the decision after interviewing some top class managers we end up here..
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A terrible appointment. Championship here we come. I think Peace has bottled as he now realises the longer you stay in the premiership the more it costs in transfer fees and wages to just stay still.
what a load of tosh! you earn more money by being in the premiership! the guy has not even started and your saying we will be relegated. just another handwringer.
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is there any possibility that hes being bought in as Ralf's No2 ??
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is there any possibility that hes being bought in as Ralf's No2 ??
the thought had crossed my mind but i think it was in desperation
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AVB's no.2? Ok I'll stop it now and move on.
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the thought had crossed my mind but i think it was in desperation
His agent has said RR has now turned down the job.
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I think it was always going to be a step backwards after the quality of Roy but if they appoint Clarke it will be more like a giant leap.I'm not afraid to say it like some but we will never really advance further untill we get rid of JP he has taken us as far as he can.
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Spot on. It certainly narrows down the options. I guess it has worked for us so far but I guess we've never been in this position before. Hodgson only came here to restore his reputation with one eye on the England job.
Lots of managers refuse to work within our set-up. I know for a fact that 6 managers turned us down before RDM was appointed.
It's probably one of the reasons we don't spout off to the press about who we're interviewing etc - it's not good publicity for the club or the potential candidates for the public to know who's turned us down, and likewise who we've not invited back for a second interview.
I, for one am a fan of how we work and am optimistic about the future!
Just hope all of this negativity doesn't affect the new coach's start!
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And the six to turn us down were?
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And the six to turn us down were?
looks like he forgot that fact :D
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Is our search for a new manager being complicated by our needs of a director of football working above them. Could it be that CH did not like working with this approach ?
Look at the new Liverpool appointment they wanted the new manager to work under a director of football however the new manager said NO ! He is the manager and he is in charge and he will live or die by his decisions.
I just think the current system has limited our options by knowing they may not be fully in control of the system?
I think it seriously limits our options, BUT, it gives a stability that should not be underestimated.
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One thing i dont get is that people slating JP and Ashworth for choosing Clarke saying lacks ambition, cheap option, etc if Rangnick turned us down what else are they meant to do?
Whether we offered it him or he turned it down, either way he isnt coming so we move on, Ranieri went to one of the biggest names in Europe on probably quadruple the salary we could give him, Hughton never happened due to supposed compensation but reading a few things it appears JP wasnt that keen and i am quite sure if he was he would of paid the Compo, he did it with Mowbray and RDM when he really wanted them so if we really wanted Hughton i think he would of paid. Rangnick turned us down so not much you can do, so i dont know what else we could of done.
I think after those 3 whoever we got there would of been some sort of backlash but its where we are as a club, we arent one of the big names and we dont may massive wages!
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Have the Club said anything yet?
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And the six to turn us down were?
I don't know the 6 although it's common knowledge that Irvine was one of them (bet he regrets that decision now!) it's similar to the current situation - it appears we offered RR the job, but this will be denied by the club, and Clarke will be billed as the number one choice. Who's to say the job hasn't been offered to others?
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I must admit I thought Irvine was overlooked but you could be right. I have to say personally that I'm right behind JP in the vast majority of what he does.
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Pressed post a bit early.. Regarding Peace and no announcements etc I can't see a problem in this, you only have to look at the Wo1ve5, to see what opening your mouth does. If Clarke does get the job I don't even think we'll hear the old ' always no1 choice' line, simply that circumstances changed.
Going on further in relation toJP taking us as far as he can then surely this can only be claimed when he's consolidated us as a mid table and upwards for another couple of seasons.
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If Clark turns out to be a poor appointment that takes us down - I'm not saying he will and I'm hopeful he'll be a success - who takes responsibility for that? Yes he will be sacked but there will never be any consequences for Ashworth despite most of the footballing decisions being his responsibility.
I'm still extremely underwhelmed by this appointment if and when it happens. I'm not angry, just disappointed to be honest. I think in some way it's a reality check for us as supporters. We were all hoping to attract a big name, Ranieri, Rangnick, even AVB, but I think Clark being appointed has hit home with a lot of supporters and probably brought us down to earth with a bit of a bump.
My biggest concern is the lack of experience of being the number one. I can see the arguments in his favour that he has over a decade of coaching experience at the top level of English football, and that someone has to give him a chance somewhere down the line, much like Hughton at Newcastle. But I do feel this is too big a gamble for us to take in a crucial crossroads season for us. Every appointment is a gamble in some respects but appointing a man who has never taken charge of more than one game as a number one is a big one for us.
Although I'm very much on the fence and feeling anxious about this appointment, I will back him and give him time as we all should as supporters.
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Having had the best part of a day to digest the news I'm starting to come round to the idea of Clarke. His last two clubs, West Ham and Liverpool, have an excellent record of bringing through promising young players and presumably Peace/Ashworth see in Clarke someone who is keen to work closely with the academy (in which so much time and money has been invested). This is our future and we need someone who'll be on board with that.
One thing's for sure, he will need our full support from the off. Poisonous atmospheres like the ones at Blackburn and Wolves last year are a sure recipe for relegation, once the real negativity sets in it's almost impossible to reverse. We're bigger and better than that.
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I dont have a problem with appointing Clarke as I genuinely believe he's as good an appointment as we could get to work within the parameters set by the club.
My gripe is that it has taken us six weeks to get this far when the likes of the vile and norwich can identify and appoint their guys in a few days.
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n excellent record of bringing through promising young players and presumably Peace/Ashworth see in Clarke someone who is keen to work closely with the academy (in which so much time and money has been invested). This is our future and we need someone who'll be on board with that.
All well and good but none of the young generation from the Youth set up look remotely anywhere near able to cut it at this level..........
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My gripe is that it has taken us six weeks to get this far when the likes of the vile and norwich can identify and appoint their guys in a few days.
But we have a different system, one which is not widespread in the English game, and identifying the right person for that may take time.
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Come back Buckley all is forgiven. I can see the Grimsby rejects lining up to play for us in div 1.
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All well and good but none of the young generation from the Youth set up look remotely anywhere near able to cut it at this level..........
It's true that nobody's exactly burst onto the scene yet but Thorne seems to be highly rated within the club and others like Berahino and Donervon Daniels are apparently very promising. But they will need some game time here and there and maybe Clarke has indicated he'd be willing to do that.
I'm not saying it's necessarily going to work but I get the impression that it would be important to Peace/Ashworth. There's always a lot about the academy in the matchday programme, the club seem to be very proud of it.
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Although I'm very much on the fence and feeling anxious about this appointment, I will back him and give him time as we all should as supporters.
Yes, I would like to join the fence sitters too. I have my doubts. But I will give him the opportunity to win me over. Part of me is very disappointed that, for whatever reason, we missed out on Ralf. But life goes on and I'll give the new head coach my support until we reach the point when he is clearly failing. By that I mean we get relegated. But let's give him a chance, hope we see some good, fast paced football, and a well drilled team capable of holding their own in this league (as we did with Roy, but with a little more flair, especially at home). The optimist in me is quite excited, although tbh I'm like that with every new manager, as I think most of us are.
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But we have a different system, one which is not widespread in the English game, and identifying the right person for that may take time.
Come on, we've been hanging on the response from one man for this length of time.
It smacks at lack of professionalism at the very least.
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I don't know the 6 although it's common knowledge that Irvine was one of them (bet he regrets that decision now!) it's similar to the current situation - it appears we offered RR the job, but this will be denied by the club, and Clarke will be billed as the number one choice. Who's to say the job hasn't been offered to others?
Irvine claimed he was offered the job, it's not true though - the local journo's still take the mick out of him.
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i agree with you albion best two years ago young paul downing got young player of the year know he has been let go we keep putting money into it but no players get a few games in the first team we are hoping george thorn will but he will proberbly dissapear aswell i am dissapointed with the appointment of steve clarke but nothing surprises you at west brom
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some of you on here really wind me up! step backwards,no ambition,relegation etc,etc please. the bloke hasnt even been confirmed yet. if he is may i suggest we get behind him and give him a chance? if he is appointed i hope no one who sits by starts giving him grief and booing him cause if they do they will be getting a right mouthful of me.
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Come back Buckley all is forgiven. I can see the Grimsby rejects lining up to play for us in div 1.
that really is a pathetic statement.
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Irvine claimed he was offered the job, it's not true though - the local journo's still take the mick out of him.
Yes, but as we know, the local journo's aren't always right..
And anyway; they only know what the club "want" them to know.
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If Clark turns out to be a poor appointment that takes us down - I'm not saying he will and I'm hopeful he'll be a success - who takes responsibility for that? Yes he will be sacked but there will never be any consequences for Ashworth despite most of the footballing decisions being his responsibility.
I'm still extremely underwhelmed by this appointment if and when it happens. I'm not angry, just disappointed to be honest. I think in some way it's a reality check for us as supporters. We were all hoping to attract a big name, Ranieri, Rangnick, even AVB, but I think Clark being appointed has hit home with a lot of supporters and probably brought us down to earth with a bit of a bump.
My biggest concern is the lack of experience of being the number one. I can see the arguments in his favour that he has over a decade of coaching experience at the top level of English football, and that someone has to give him a chance somewhere down the line, much like Hughton at Newcastle. But I do feel this is too big a gamble for us to take in a crucial crossroads season for us. Every appointment is a gamble in some respects but appointing a man who has never taken charge of more than one game as a number one is a big one for us.
Although I'm very much on the fence and feeling anxious about this appointment, I will back him and give him time as we all should as supporters.
goodpost mate. i agree we all got carried away with the managers we thought we could get. cant help feeling we are in for our usual struggle .dont honestly know if i would have renewed my season ticket if id known,but know i have i will join you on the fence
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goodpost mate. i agree we all got carried away with the managers we thought we could get. cant help feeling we are in for our usual struggle .dont honestly know if i would have renewed my season ticket if id known,but know i have i will join you on the fence
take it back and get a refund, read the season ticket renewal post as you will see most of us will be there no matter who the manager/head coach is or what division we are in.
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that really is a pathetic statement.
I think we should accept some of the bitter posts on here for a bit,so many people upset about how this has been panning out,funny thing is are we really surprised being Albion fans,its what makes us so unique putting up with everything that has happened since the day I supported them.
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I have to say I am so fed up with Albion. I really hoped we would aim higher. I will support him as I would any manager but I fear for us. A yes man, little transfer budget and he had probably been told to bring through the youth. I love the Albion but they have really made me fed up.
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Well i'v just spoken to a mate who's an avid Liverpool fan and he thinks we have got a steal. He said Clarke made the defense a lot more organised and tough to break down, he also said those within the club thought very highly of him. I must admit im a little underwhelmed by this appointment I think some of it is from all the great things I have read and heard about Ralf and some probably wanting us to get in someone of Roy's experience. I will defiantly give the guy a chance and I hope we really get behind the guy (if he's appointed) as we saw a bad atmosphere such as down the road and up at Blackburn makes things 10 times worse than it really is.
My only worry is the technical side of things, this is where Roy really stood out as he often out thought other managers. No doubt the guy is a quality and well respected coach but has he got the tactical nouse to succeed in the Premier League, i guess only time will tell.
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I dont have a problem with appointing Clarke as I genuinely believe he's as good an appointment as we could get to work within the parameters set by the club.
My gripe is that it has taken us six weeks to get this far when the likes of the vile and norwich can identify and appoint their guys in a few days.
Delayed due to the season ticket deadline though perhaps? ;)
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how many times it's not about the money it's about the backroom staff,
I'm not convinced.
If Hughton was unhappy about the role as head coach and not manager then surely he would have made that plain at the interview he had last year. That being the case, why did we need to approach him again this time, if he'd already made it clear that he didn't like our structure?
I think the £2million was a sticking point. Peace walked away, calling Bham's bluff, expecting the price to drop. Norwich steamed in.
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Oh, is this still happening? Thought it was all a bad dream.
The guy needs to get off to a flyer this season else hiss first 'Head Coach' job will be over before Xmas. The fans won't give him the time that an established 'manager' would have been given.
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In Jeremy we trust...
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I think the £2million was a sticking point. Peace walked away, calling Bham's bluff, expecting the price to drop. Norwich steamed in.
Chris Lepkowski has (re)tweeted several times that the compensation for Hughton was quite a bit less than £2m. It does seem that the sticking point was with the backroom staff.
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The thing was when he was interviewed last time he would have only wanted to have brought in Calderwood this time he wanted his own first team coach and an head scout.
The Head Scout one would have been a serious issue considering Ashworths role at the club.
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The thing was when he was interviewed last time he would have only wanted to have brought in Calderwood this time he wanted his own first team coach and an head scout.
The Head Scout one would have been a serious issue considering Ashworths role at the club.
You would think there would have been a workaround if this was the case.
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Oh, is this still happening? Thought it was all a bad dream.
The guy needs to get off to a flyer this season else hiss first 'Head Coach' job will be over before Xmas. The fans won't give him the time that an established 'manager' would have been given.
Very true, its my biggest concern. If our fans got on Roys back with the bad run of results we had early 2012 what chance has Clarke got if he has a bad start. I fear for the bloke really if things don't go well. Might need a new 'Next Manager' thread with how ruthless Peace can get come 6 months later.
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Who is to say Hughton didnt want to budge and wanted his Head Scout incharge of recruitment?
It so easy for fans to blame the club without looking at the logistical reasons why certain managers werent fancied this time.
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Chris Lepkowski has (re)tweeted several times that the compensation for Hughton was quite a bit less than £2m. It does seem that the sticking point was with the backroom staff.
I think the club were correct in not appointing Hughton, Calderwood, Trollope, (who reportedly fell out with Ben Foster) and Ewan Chester. I for one would rather have Ben Foster signed this Summer, rather than be in a potential position of apppointing either Hughton and losing Foster. Foster will no doubt be here longer then the next manager/head coach.
Whether Steve Clarke, is the 'correct' appointment. Only time will tell. But I sure as hope, he gets the full support of Albion fans.
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I'm overwhelmed with the number of times underwhelmed has been used. If I never see the word again, I´ll feel ....uhh....whelmed???
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Very true, its my biggest concern. If our fans got on Roys back with the bad run of results we had early 2012 what chance has Clarke got if he has a bad start. I fear for the bloke really if things don't go well. Might need a new 'Next Manager' thread with how ruthless Peace can get come 6 months later.
Arnt we stating the obvious though. The same would apply to any manager its the football world we live in. The bigger issue for me is not the coach but the squad of players. How are we going to strengthen this summer and move it on. This is the crucial factor. Stand still and you will struggle, improve and we have a squad capable of finishing 17th or better with or without SC
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Who is to say Hughton didnt want to budge and wanted his Head Scout incharge of recruitment?
It so easy for fans to blame the club without looking at the logistical reasons why certain managers werent fancied this time.
Good point DL. I'd like to add I do like the ethos of the club of promotion from within the football club and a continuity of coaches. If we appointed Hughton + his staff, we would have had to pay off Downing and Kiely aswell. Would the likes of Trollope/Calderwood then have stayed if Hughton was to leave in 18 months (average lifespan of a head coach/manager). I'm not so sure.
The club has worked to instill a structure of keeping a tight knit club and offering continuity. Maybe we did set our sights high, i.e Rangnick. But nothing has been lost. The appointment of replacing Hodgson has taken place in the close season. had we appointed someone four weeks ago, it wouldn't have made much of a difference. I'm sure the club have exhaused all the possibilities, and carried out their due dilligence, in seven weeks. If Clarke, after all of that process, was near the top of the list, then we have to ultimately accept that.
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Come back Buckley all is forgiven. I can see the Grimsby rejects lining up to play for us in div 1.
We all have something to bring to this discussion, however from now on what I think you should bring is silence.
i agree with you albion best two years ago young paul downing got young player of the year know he has been let go we keep putting money into it but no players get a few games in the first team we are hoping george thorn will but he will proberbly dissapear aswell i am dissapointed with the appointment of steve clarke but nothing surprises you at west brom
Why should George Thorne disappear? He's already made more of an impact than any Albion youngster has for a young time. He already has played a few games for the first team, and has impressed during them. He's had a spell at Portsmouth where he was very impressive and he's captaining the England under 18 team.
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Who is to say Hughton didnt want to budge and wanted his Head Scout incharge of recruitment?
It so easy for fans to blame the club without looking at the logistical reasons why certain managers werent fancied this time.
Chris Lepkowski (if to be believed) stated that we were willing to pay the compo for Hughton but not for his backroom staff. That to me suggests that it was down to money and not the fact that we didn't want or need them. After all we are a man down after Appleton left. CL has classed it as a half hearted attempt by us to aquire him. I still believe he was our no.1 choice.
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Chris Lepkowski (if to be believed) stated that we were willing to pay the compo for Hughton but not for his backroom staff. That to me suggests that it was down to money and not the fact that we didn't want or need them. After all we are a man down after Appleton left. CL has classed it as a half hearted attempt by us to aquire him. I still believe he was our no.1 choice.
It wasn't just compo for the backroom staff though, it was compo to the coaches we'd have to let go and employing another scout we don't actually need.
In addition didn't Paul Trollope come to blows with Ben Foster last pre season just before he joined us?
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Clarke's first real test will be to fight off the opposition from QPR to sign Ben Foster. Hopefully, that deal is already tied up apart from a few loose ends, but if Foster did opt for QPR then Clarke would surely have failed his first major test in the eyes of the fans.
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Who is to say Hughton didnt want to budge and wanted his Head Scout incharge of recruitment?
It so easy for fans to blame the club without looking at the logistical reasons why certain managers werent fancied this time.
Why would blues have someone in charge of recruitment ? :D
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Why would blues have someone in charge of recruitment ? :D
For after they have totted up the accounts? ;)
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Clarke's first real test will be to fight off the opposition from QPR to sign Ben Foster. Hopefully, that deal is already tied up apart from a few loose ends, but if Foster did opt for QPR then Clarke would surely have failed his first major test in the eyes of the fans.
I doubt Clarke will have any real influence on this one especially as BF knows the club now. Like I posted on another topic, the coach is there to coach. Surely Ashworth and JP are the men to make this happen. The man with the purse strings is key.
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Just read through our version of War and Peace - some of you should be headline writers at the Sun :o
Steve Clarke (and the Albion Board) probably deserve a little more respect than many have shown in this thread.
He has been in coaching roles for over 14 years, handling some world class players along the way at Newcastle, Chelsea, West Ham and Liverpool, all of which are bigger and more successful clubs than ourselves.
And we are currently looking for a new Head Coach ...... this appointment actually just might work :-X
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If its Clarke let him get on with coaching , and let Ashworth and Peace get on with running the football club,they haven't done a bad job the last few years
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I was underwhelmed when we appointed Gary Megson in 2000 and so were many other fans. High profile appointments do not always succeed. So lets all get right behind the new manager, sorry Head Coach.
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Too be honest, in the past i have mentioned his name a few times as making a good manager in the past to friends. However cant help feel disappointed after having such a head start on other teams in getting a new manager, we ended up clarke.
I would have perfered hughton purely beacuse hes not done a bad job in charge of teams. However lets give him a chance..best of a bad bunch left for us.
Accept and support!!!
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Just read through our version of War and Peace - some of you should be headline writers at the Sun :o
Steve Clarke (and the Albion Board) probably deserve a little more respect than many have shown in this thread.
He has been in coaching roles for over 14 years, handling some world class players along the way at Newcastle, Chelsea, West Ham and Liverpool, all of which are bigger and more successful clubs than ourselves.
And we are currently looking for a new Head Coach ...... this appointment actually just might work :-X
at last a brilliant sensible post!!
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Clarke's first real test will be to fight off the opposition from QPR to sign Ben Foster. Hopefully, that deal is already tied up apart from a few loose ends, but if Foster did opt for QPR then Clarke would surely have failed his first major test in the eyes of the fans.
In what way could that be seen as a failure by SC! Not even got his feet under the desk yet!
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It may well be that Foster will not want to play under someone who has only previously held secondary roles at clubs.
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Just read through our version of War and Peace - some of you should be headline writers at the Sun :o
Steve Clarke (and the Albion Board) probably deserve a little more respect than many have shown in this thread.
He has been in coaching roles for over 14 years, handling some world class players along the way at Newcastle, Chelsea, West Ham and Liverpool, all of which are bigger and more successful clubs than ourselves.
And we are currently looking for a new Head Coach ...... this appointment actually just might work :-X
Trouble is can he pick the best players, be man enough to drop out of form players and motivate the side?
Time will tell but if he can't we will be in a bit of trouble.
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It may well be that Foster will not want to play under someone who has only previously held secondary roles at clubs.
Cant see that Royhan. Players talk and it is well known amongst them that SC is very well liked and admired as a coach. And were talking about top top players here. So i would imagine that SC will be warmly received by the players.
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It may well be that Foster will not want to play under someone who has only previously held secondary roles at clubs.
Players would play for a chimpanzee if you pay them enough. From what I gather Foster is a family man and very settled in the area. I am sure wages won't be a problem either. The size of the transfer fee will be though IMO.
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Coaching career - Steve Clarke - Wikipedia
Newcastle United
In 1998 Clarke joined Newcastle United as assistant manager to Ruud Gullit, his former boss at Chelsea. Clarke was caretaker manager following Gullit's resignation, taking charge of one match, a 5–1 (1–1 HT) defeat against Manchester United. For that game, Clarke reinstated Alan Shearer and Rob Lee to the team.
Chelsea
After a stint in charge of the youth teams at Chelsea, Clarke was promoted to the position of assistant manager when José Mourinho was appointed manager in the summer of 2004.
Clarke was a part of the coaching set-up which saw Chelsea win two Premier League titles, an FA Cup and two League Cups over three seasons under Mourinho. During this period he completed his UEFA Pro Licence in 2006
When Mourinho departed from Chelsea in September 2007, his services were retained by Avram Grant, although Henk ten Cate was brought in as another assistant coach. Both Grant and ten Cate left the club at the end of the 2007–08 season.
BBC Sport and The Times both reported then that although Clarke remained on the Chelsea coaching staff, he would be looking to pursue opportunities to become a manager in his own right. Chelsea assured Clarke of his status, citing his loyalty, popularity amongst the club's supporters and work in the aftermath of Mourinho's departure.
West Ham United
On 12 September 2008 Clarke handed in his resignation to Chelsea, hoping to move to West Ham to be assistant to former Chelsea teammate Gianfranco Zola. Chelsea initially rejected his resignation, demanding compensation worth two years of Clarke's salary. After a deal was agreed between the clubs, Clarke became West Ham's first-team coach on 15 September.
West Ham finished ninth in the Premier League in the 2008–09 season, earning Clarke and Zola extended contracts that made Clarke the highest paid assistant manager in the league. The club struggled during the next season, however, narrowly avoiding relegation. In June 2010, not long after the dismissal of Zola as manager, Clarke left the club by mutual consent.
Liverpool
On 10 January 2011, Clarke was appointed first team coach at Liverpool by Kenny Dalglish, after Dalglish had replaced the dismissed Roy Hodgson two days before. Clarke was credited (alongside Dalglish) for turning Liverpool's season around, having a points average of around 2 points per match from his arrival, coupled with an improved defensive record. On 12 May 2011, Clarke, as well as manager Dalglish, signed a three year contract to remain in his current role as first team coach.
On 14 May 2012 Clarke offered his resignation to Liverpool following the sacking of manager Dalglish and Liverpool's 8th place finish in the 2011–12 Premier League. The club declined the offer but on 6 June 2012 following the appointment of new manager Brendan Rodgers, Clarke left the club.
Let's not get too dis-heartened about this so early...
Admittedly, Steve Clarke is not a name many Albion supporters would have mentioned to take over the reigns from Roy, nor one that too many had heard of prior to the last couple of days progression in our hunt for a new head coach.
Based on the above from Wikipedia, and a few articles (below) I genuinely think we may have a real prospect on our hands here.
Both as a player and a coach he has been successful throughout his 24 years in the Premier League, winning the FA cup, League cup and UEFA cup as a player with Chelsea, and then coaching his old club to back to back Premier League titles, two League cups and the FA cup too.
Most recently, he won the League cup with Liverpool last season, a team that finished just above us, even with the £50 million waste of talent Kenny Dalglish managed to squander away!
He has worked with top talent throughout his coaching career and has testaments across Europe from players he has worked with and all seem to say the same thing, he is fantastic at what he does.
Oh, and not to mention a few recommendations from Ruud Gullit, Bobby Robson, Steven Gerrard, and some Portuguese fella called Mourinho to back himself up with...
The Scot is on record as saying he has ambitions to be a Premier League manager, and his greatest fan is the world’s most celebrated coach. “This is what I think about Steve Clarke: if he had the chance to manage a club, even a big club like Chelsea, he would be ready for that. He is that good,” Mourinho has said.
He has been seeking a Head Coach / Managerial appointment for a while now, so lets give this chap a chance, get behind him like we always do with any newcomer to the Hawthorns, and he may just seize his opportunity and make something special of us next season.
Some may call this overly optimistic, but I for one will have a lot of faith if we land Steve Clarke, got a feeling he'll do a job, given our fantastic support there is no reason why we can't continue to build on what we have achieved over the last 4/5 seasons!
Boing Boing!
Some old but promising articles below on his previous appointments if anybody's interested...
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/02/04/2336725/there-are-not-many-footballers-who-dont-like-working-with
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/sep/15/westhamunited.chelsea
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there is some right arrogant gits on here tonight, some of you lot sound just like the scousers who were slaughtering hodgson at liverpool before he had a chance now some of you are doing the same. unbelievable!!! our supporters dont behave like this some of you want to get over yourselves >:(
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Players would play for a chimpanzee if you pay them enough. From what I gather Foster is a family man and very settled in the area. I am sure wages won't be a problem either. The size of the transfer fee will be though IMO.
I think Peace will try to cut a deal that pays in instalments. Blues need the dosh and this will enable JP to spread the hit and keep the cashflow on track
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Don't worry i'm winning the euro lottery tomorrow buying the albion and appointing Guardiola as "head coach" ;D
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Clarke appeared from nowhere as a candidate, but I'm increasingly optimistic about it. His experience as a coach is exceptional, his endorsements by several top managers are very impressive, and he is very well regarded by many of the world-class players he has coached.
I have faith in DA and JP that they've made a wise choice. Our structure of a Head Coach working under DA looks perfect for Clarke to realise his potential. As a result, I don't think his lack of managerial experience is going to be a problem.
He is regarded as a coach who specialises in organised defence, so should build perfectly on Roy's work, making us hard to beat. That's the biggest factor in Premiership survival. He has some very talented attacking players at his disposal, and he inherits a well-balanced squad.
His contacts in the game at bigger clubs should help in recruiting players, especially loan signings.
I really think that this could be an inspired appointment.
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ive grown much more optimistic and happy as they day has gone on with the more ive read and heard about him. hope others come round and give him a chance
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I wouldnt be too hard on the negative posters, it;s a knee jerk reaction. It's been a long and anxious few weeks. I think a lot of us were looking forward to Ralf because of his reputation and that it would be something a bit different. When it didnt happen, people's natural reaction is disappointment. I was one of them. Then when it became obvious who it was going to be, it felt like we were getting second best and had sold ourselves short. It wasnt nearly as glamorous or different as Ralf would have been. I, like some others, have calmed down a bit now and, while I'm not over the moon, the more I think about it, the more positive I begin to feel. He is a very good coach by all accounts, experienced, likes to play football the right way, and is popular with players, all of which is promising. He may well be the man to carry on Roy's work, none of us know yet. Let's wait and see how it goes and make our judgement when we see his team play, keep an open mind, and support him until such time as it is no longer deserved. if we are the great supporters we all think we are. let's not judge the man before he is even announced - it really shows no class and we are surely better than that.
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Am I right that NO appointment has yet been made?
and ALL of the information we have so far, is a variety of snippets from Chris Lepkowski (+ reworked by others)
and so far in this process he has shown himself to be totally out of the Loop with the club.
He may well be proved correct BUT he seems to have been actively making comments designed to get the "Over the Top" responses that we have had.
A week ago we were all sure it was Ralf....
the week before CL was saying it was CH.
???
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Am I right that NO appointment has yet been made?
and ALL of the information we have so far, is a variety of snippets from Chris Lepkowski (+ reworked by others)
and so far in this process he has shown himself to be totally out of the Loop with the club.
He may well be proved correct BUT he seems to have been actively making comments designed to get the "Over the Top" responses that we have had.
A week ago we were all sure it was Ralf....
the week before CL was saying it was CH.
???
It's Clark.
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It's Clark.
can you provide a link to the Official announcement....
or authentic statement from the club as I'm in Australia it is easy to miss them.
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Am I right that NO appointment has yet been made?
and ALL of the information we have so far, is a variety of snippets from Chris Lepkowski (+ reworked by others)
and so far in this process he has shown himself to be totally out of the Loop with the club.
He may well be proved correct BUT he seems to have been actively making comments designed to get the "Over the Top" responses that we have had.
A week ago we were all sure it was Ralf....
the week before CL was saying it was CH.
???
BBC sport headlines say Clarke to become WBA head coach. If the BBC know then have the club released a statement? When is the press confence to announce the new head coach?
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BBC sport headlines say Clarke to become WBA head coach. If the BBC know then have the club released a statement? When is the press confence to announce the new head coach?
You mustn't forget, the BBC is just as unreliable as many other sources of media, especially when it comes to sport.
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You mustn't forget, the BBC is just as unreliable as many other sources of media, especially when it comes to sport.
So my question is how do we know that Clarke is our new head coach :o
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So my question is how do we know that Clarke is our new head coach :o
I've been asking the same thing
seem to be the only source is CL
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I'm sure Steve Clarke will be giving us 100% to ensure our and his success: this will be a big move for him at a very important time for us.
I'm sure all on this site will agree it's essential that he gets the support he needs from us.
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And the six to turn us down were?
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I know of 2 1 is obvious unfair to name the other 1
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I must admit I have never supported the appointment of any manager/coach as much as in the case for Rangnick. I thought he would take Albion to a new level bringing in some state of the art Bundesliga experience, we could steal a march on alot of the Prem rivals. We may never know why he turned Albion down but it must have been a close thing as he had to think about it along time. I'm not going to criticise JP/DA for giving it time, because he was the outstanding candidate. It may be because Rangnick realised he wasn't going to get the funds for players, but JP has always been very honest about what the club of our size can budget for.
Because the hopes of alot of Albion followers have been knocked, Clarke has got a tough act to follow. He will find, rightly or wrongly, that if results are poor, he will have an uphill struggle.
Once again I don't blame JP/DA for having to resort to Clarke, as our realistic options were limited after Rangnick fell away. However, I think they could improve the mood of alot of supporters, if they now pull out all the stops to secure Ben Foster!!
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can you provide a link to the Official announcement....
or authentic statement from the club as I'm in Australia it is easy to miss them.
Do You Live Under A Stone!
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I've been asking the same thing
seem to be the only source is CL
Nothing Offical...but everywhere says that he will be annouced as in the next 24 hours!
Sky sports outside wba today said that it will be annouced aswell!
Its Clarke!
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Clarke is not officially announced but it is all over the UK media with a degree of certainty that was never associated with Rangnick I would be very surprised if Clarke is not our new Head Coach.
I still cannot understand why people are so negative about this appointment. Clarke is a first rate coach he has no less experience than Hughton had when he took over at Newcastle in far worse circumstances than Clarke will inherit here. Why should he not be successful?
For whatever reason Rangnick turned us down and if he goes onto manage a big team elsewhere well he will be proved right if he is still trying to find his way back into the game in three years time like Curbishley well maybe we will not look like such a terrible option either way good luck to the man.
With regard to Hughton. I would be amazed if there was not some sort of informal dialogue with his agent. Frankly if his agent did not speak to us he would not be doing his job properly. If the message came back that Hughton might be interested but only if he could bring his posse of assistants with him then at that point our interest quickly cooled. We would have to sack our current staff (thereby paying them off) or bloat the backroom staff to accommodate everyone. Chris Hughton was certainly not worth that level of dislocation.
I am not in the least bit disappointed in the appointment it is not without risk but there is never a risk free appointment.
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Do You Live Under A Stone!
No.... we have things called "Houses" here.... :D
unlike you we have progressed from caves :P
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Clarke is not officially announced but it is all over the UK media with a degree of certainty that was never associated with Rangnick I would be very surprised if Clarke is not our new Head Coach.
I still cannot understand why people are so negative about this appointment. Clarke is a first rate coach he has no less experience than Hughton had when he took over at Newcastle in far worse circumstances than Clarke will inherit here. Why should he not be successful?
For whatever reason Rangnick turned us down and if he goes onto manage a big team elsewhere well he will be proved right if he is still trying to find his way back into the game in three years time like Curbishley well maybe we will not look like such a terrible option either way good luck to the man.
With regard to Hughton. I would be amazed if there was not some sort of informal dialogue with his agent. Frankly if his agent did not speak to us he would not be doing his job properly. If the message came back that Hughton might be interested but only if he could bring his posse of assistants with him then at that point our interest quickly cooled. We would have to sack our current staff (thereby paying them off) or bloat the backroom staff to accommodate everyone. Chris Hughton was certainly not worth that level of dislocation.
I am not in the least bit disappointed in the appointment it is not without risk but there is never a risk free appointment.
We're a man down in the coaching department anyway since Burton left, so we only would have had one extra coach.
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http://blogs.birminghammail.net/westbromwichalbion/2012/06/steve-clarke-albion-boss.html
Latest blog from Chris Lepkowski. Not sitting on the fence says it will be Clarke with none of the usual hedging of bets where the outcome is in doubt.
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Do You Live Under A Stone!
but on a more serious note....
I only get to see what is online for News as we obviously don't get the amout of Media you do reporting on this (TV, radio)
and most of the Online News feeds are giving multiple versions of basically the same story BUT all seemingly sourced from only one place and that isn't the Club.
Also with the time difference I will now probably have to go through the day here with nothing new (while you are all asleep) and all the action will happen (if any) when I'm asleep.
and you question why I need to confirm details...................
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We're a man down in the coaching department anyway since Burton left, so we only would have had one extra coach.
And a head scout we have no need for and why should we pay for a spare coach in any event?
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I've warmed to Steve Clarke after some initial disappointment on Rangnick's withdrawal. Looks like he has been waiting a long time for this chance, and it's very forward thinking that we're the ones to give him the opportunity.
Onward and Upward. BOING BOING!
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First thoughts... bit of a drab appointment, reminded me of steve keane, tony adams, paul hart, TC and these guys just stepping into management in the prem. Hope he fits in well and does a good job of course.
Good do with looking less miserable all the time ;D looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp!
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First thoughts... bit of a drab appointment, reminded me of steve keane, tony adams, paul hart, TC and these guys just stepping into management in the prem. Hope he fits in well and does a good job of course.
Good do with looking less miserable all the time ;D looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp!
Has ten years more experience than all of those.
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Clarke's first real test will be to fight off the opposition from QPR to sign Ben Foster. Hopefully, that deal is already tied up apart from a few loose ends, but if Foster did opt for QPR then Clarke would surely have failed his first major test in the eyes of the fans.
you forgot to add it will also be his fault if Olsson, Pete and Mulumbu leave and if we dont sign a 20 goal a season striker as replacement ::)
Good luck SC if you sign, looks like you might need a bit
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Im expecting the announcement today that hes our new boss.
If not announced today then maybe were not as advanced with him as some of the press might say.
Only time will tell. I expect it to be SC now and hes gets my full backing.
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can you provide a link to the Official announcement....
or authentic statement from the club as I'm in Australia it is easy to miss them.
Liam Ridgewell tweeted yesterday that the players have been told it's Clarke.
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Liam Ridgewell tweeted yesterday that the players have been told it's Clarke.
Didn't he say he had heard? Nothing about the players being told ::)
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I'd like to add I do like the ethos of the club of promotion from within the football club and a continuity of coaches.
Slightly off-topic for this thread, although it does affect who is and isn't a candidate for the role, but who evaluates the performance of these coaches? Is Ashworth stood on the training ground watching what they do day-in, day-out? If not, does the head coach have to feed back on them? If the latter, it's an odd kind of set-up where the head coach evaluates the performance but isn't allowed to decide whether they stay or go.
Additionally, the chances are that any coaches we keep on in these circumstances (excluding the GK coach) are likely to leave before they ever get a shot at being head coach anyway (c.f. Appleton).
Ultimately, in my view, you should always be looking to get the best coaches you can, regardless of whether it's a head coach or lower level coach and, if the head coach is expected to work with these other coaches and be responsible for how well the players are coached overall, the team of coaches (possibly excluding positional coaches) should be for him to choose.
The arrangement we have smacks of penny-pinching more than anything else to me.
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Didn't he say he had heard? Nothing about the players being told ::)
It depends who he heard it from doesn't it really?! But you're right - I was incorrect to say that the players had been told. What Ridgewell said was ambiguous: "Just heard Steve Clarke to get the job".
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Ridgewell was simply just relaying rumours hes heard, he could have said the same last week about Ragnick or the same the week before about Hughton.
Id be massively suprised now if it werent SC.
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It depends who he heard it from doesn't it really?! But you're right - I was incorrect to say that the players had been told. What Ridgewell said was ambiguous: "Just heard Steve Clarke to get the job".
I assume he has just heard from reports, if the players had officially been told I would expect more of them would have been spreading the news on Twitter as well, not just Ridgewell.
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Jonas on radio 5 this morning saying it was a good appointment
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I just cannot fathom Jp's thinking ??? having appointed several fairly inexperienced managers/coaches and watched us yo yo he then appoints a safe pair of hands that steady the good ship Baggies and steer her into calmer waters only to then go back to the untried?
Now i happen to think SC may just be a good appointment,it may also go very very wrong but one thing is certain is that Jp has taken one helluva gamble at a time when it was probably unnecessary to do so >:(
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Looks a done deal then. Got to say not impressed, but I will give him a chance like I do with every new player or coach :)
And the more I read and hear it does sound an interesting appointment.
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I just cannot fathom Jp's thinking ??? having appointed several fairly inexperienced managers/coaches and watched us yo yo he then appoints a safe pair of hands that steady the good ship Baggies and steer her into calmer waters only to then go back to the untried?
Now i happen to think SC may just be a good appointment,it may also go very very wrong but one thing is certain is that Jp has taken one helluva gamble at a time when it was probably unnecessary to do so >:(
Does this seem likely? JP is anything other than a reckless gambler. The worst thing that could happen to WBA and therefore JP' s investment is that we lose our hard won Premier League status, JP would need to be convinced that any new coach would be capable of keeping us in the League.
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Does this seem likely? JP is anything other than a reckless gambler. The worst thing that could happen to WBA and therefore JP' s investment is that we lose our hard won Premier League status, JP would need to be convinced that any new coach would be capable of keeping us in the League.
Which is where JP is aiming. To just keep us in the premiership because it would cost too much money to push on to the next level. Money we haven't got. So, it's a shrewd appointment on his behalf. Squashing everbodies expectation in one foul sweep.
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After the some of the names mentioned, Rangnick, Ranieri et al, SC does seem a little underwhelming.
However having read more about him, including Mourinho's positive endorsement of his talent, I would defer to those who have actually worked with the bloke, know something of the running of top level football clubs on a day to day basis and actually rate him quite highly.
JP has obviously taken his time and kudos to the club for signalling the measure of our ambition by being associated with some top class coaches. It may be that the main target moved away from us and Clarke is plan B, but if RR did turn us down it doesn't seem to have been an easy decision.
Personally I'm feeling more optimistic than I was when i first heard, so, by the time the first day of the season comes round I'll be sure to boinging away as usual.
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its done
WBAFCofficial ?@WBAFCofficial
Albion delighted to announce Steve Clarke as new Head Coach. The 48-year-old Scot has today signed a two-year contract. #wba #steveclarke
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Welcome aboard Steve, best of luck.
100% support.
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Lock this thread now please!! Can't bare to look at it any longer ;D
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Welcome Steve - good luck
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Here we go, onwards and upwards.
Come on Stevie boy!