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West Bromwich Albion FC Forums => West Bromwich Albion FC => Topic started by: JDWest_Brom on April 08, 2014, 10:39:02 PM
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I don't want that eejit anywhere near our club
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/04/08/tim-sherwood-linked-with-west-brom-hot-seat/
Tim Sherwood was today linked to Albion’s hot-seat – if the Baggies let Pepe Mel go in the summer.
Reports in London this afternoon claimed that the interim Spurs boss would be in the frame for The Hawthorns should Albion decide to change their head coach in the summer.
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I'm not sure how much truth there is in this but why is Sherwood an idiot? He seems like a breath of fresh air to me - a manager that says it how it is.
It's hard to tell how good a manager he is / could be though as yet he's had no chance to bring in his own players at Spurs.
IF Sherwood did come to the Albion I wouldn't be suicidal.
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No offence to TS, but I still want to keep Pepe. :-*
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No substance whatsoever to this story at present. Where are the quotes? There's a lot of water to pass under the bridge between now and the summer so it's anyone's guess who will lead us into the next campaign. Mel is under contract for next season, so unless I hear any different from official sources then it should to be Mel. The results from the final fixtures will undoubtedly be the determining factor.
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No substance whatsoever to this story at present. Where are the quotes? There's a lot of water to pass under the bridge between now and the summer so it's anyone's guess who will lead us into the next campaign. Mel is under contract for next season, so unless I hear any different from official sources then it should to be Mel. The results from the final fixtures will undoubtedly be the determining factor.
There's so many bits of stories you hear that make you think Mel won't be here next season, even today there is trhis report, there's the Sneekes comments on WM. It looks like something is going on that people are aware of in the game.
No smoke without fire???
If Mel is going to be here next season it'd be good if Jeremy Peace came out and stated as much, put an end to all the rumour mongering.
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It is pretty obvious that Sherwood is out of his depth at Spurs and he would hardly be better equipped to lead us. I might be wrong but even after being retired for 10 years he still does not have all his pro level coaching qualifications. Trading Mel for Sherwood would be a massively retrograde step.
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Our board maybe bad...but not that bad.
Tim Sherwood is not a good manager, it's not even a 'he might be suited elsewhere' type thing...if you watch him he's just not good enough, his lineups and tactics are awful.
I've said elsewhere, I'm not even a massive fan of Mel but compared to Sherwood he's like Ferguson.
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Please no. I couldn't put up with his terribly annoying accent week after week. Plus his arrogance is off the scale!
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There's so many bits of stories you hear that make you think Mel won't be here next season, even today there is trhis report, there's the Sneekes comments on WM. It looks like something is going on that people are aware of in the game.
No smoke without fire???
If Mel is going to be here next season it'd be good if Jeremy Peace came out and stated as much, put an end to all the rumour mongering.
Nothing personal Atomic but as far as I am concerned this could well be the most untruthful and damaging phrase in the English language.
For numerous reasons maybe out of jealousy, or to sound important or for financial gain etc. people will fabricate the most ridiculous, spiteful or downright malicious stories and there will always be someone who will believe them.
Once the story is out, even the most powerful slander and libel laws are unable to change the real fact that “mud sticks”.
It looks to me like the story is the musings of a journo which started here
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tim-sherwood-could-be-the-next-manager-at-west-bromwich-albion-9246169.html
Then is picked up by other rags who simply state (correctly of course but without citing where the information came from) “reports suggest”.
The journalistic equivalent of “I heard this bloke down the pub say…”
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poppy cock
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Nothing personal Atomic but as far as I am concerned this could well be the most untruthful and damaging phrase in the English language.
For numerous reasons maybe out of jealousy, or to sound important or for financial gain etc. people will fabricate the most ridiculous, spiteful or downright malicious stories and there will always be someone who will believe them.
Once the story is out, even the most powerful slander and libel laws are unable to change the real fact that “mud sticks”.
It looks to me like the story is the musings of a journo which started here
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tim-sherwood-could-be-the-next-manager-at-west-bromwich-albion-9246169.html
Then is picked up by other rags who simply state (correctly of course but without citing where the information came from) “reports suggest”.
The journalistic equivalent of “I heard this bloke down the pub say…”
The title says it all really; 'Tim Sherwood COULD be the next manager at West Brom'. Basically they've seen that there's been no 'Mel will be here next season' statement, they've seen 'Sherwood wont be here next season' and they've put 2 and 2 together and made 98.
I COULD be the next manager at West Brom. So COULD Diana Ross. The article, along with anyone who believes it as a serious piece of journalism, is mental.
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Yes please, Wouldnt stand for no rubbish and wants to play attractive football with hes team, Big thumbs up from me.
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Tim Sherwood no thanks, He shouts more rubbish than my missus does. Believe me that takes some beating. >:(
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No way absolutely now way >:( >:(
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Tim Sherwood hasn't done a bad job for Tottenham he has had some really good results for Spurs. However I'm happy with Pepe Mel and I think he is just starting to get things together looking on the basis of the last four games.
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Tim Sherwood hasn't done a bad job for Tottenham he has had some really good results for Spurs. However I'm happy with Pepe Mel and I think he is just starting to get things together looking on the basis of the last four games.
So am i of course but i think its more if we part ways over the summer which seems likely.
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The man is an absolute muppet and there’s no chance Peace would appoint such a character, so nothing to worry about.
Gets linked the day after a big win when it becomes public knowledge that he is out on his ear come the summer, stinks of his agent getting his name out there to me. No chance of him becoming our manager.
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I COULD be the next manager at West Brom. So COULD Diana Ross. The article, along with anyone who believes it as a serious piece of journalism, is mental.
If Diana Ross was manager at least we would all be singing the same tune
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If Diana Ross was manager at least we would all be singing the same tune
Aint no mountain high enough
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And here we are again talking about a new manager for the Albion........what a "memorable" season were having.
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If Diana Ross was manager at least we would all be singing the same tune
Well she released a song called The Boss.
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No ta very much, we have a good manager in Mel.
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Please no. I couldn't put up with his terribly annoying accent week after week. Plus his arrogance is off the scale!
Agreed. He rates himself 110%! He also appears to be quite confrontational with other teams/players with the quotes i've read of him.
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Hopefully we stick with Pepe Mel, and he can get Diana Ross in as one of his assistants and everyone is happy! It would be 'Supreme'! (Sorry thats awful!)
As for Tim Sherwood, its very rare i take a dislike to someone but i have with him, he reminds me on an english Di Canio, its always all about him and not in a good way, he loves the attention a bit too much!
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No, he's full of himself.
Like Clarke should have, he needs to go and do a few seasons in the lower leagues to earn his stripes.
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No, he's full of himself.
Like Clarke should have, he needs to go and do a few seasons in the lower leagues to earn his stripes.
You can say that again
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I agree with everything above, wouldnt want him anywhere near WBA. He is cocky, arrogant and not that good either.
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It is from another journalist staring at a blank page, nothing to fill it and papers to sell.
If there is no news make up your own - same with most of these transfer 'stories'.
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He also doesn't have the required badges apparently so im shocked that he is allowed to continue as Spurs boss
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Total twit..should not be allowed within wetting distance of our club.
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simple NO!
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Total ****..should not be allowed within wetting distance of our club.
Shouldn't be allowed within wetting distance of ANY club!
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Chill blokes. It's all press speculation and about as accurate as Tony Blair talking about WMD.
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I think we'd do better if we appointed Giggs.
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I'm afraid Sherwood is a big fat NO for me. An appointment that would only end in relegation. Giggs will stay at United, simple as that.
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His English and prem knowledge should be better than Mel
His honesty and attitude seems better than Clark
His passion and commitment seem better than RDM
His defensive organisation looks better than Mowbray
I wouldn't be too unhappy.
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His English and prem knowledge should be better than Mel
His honesty and attitude seems better than Clark
His passion and commitment seem better than RDM
His defensive organisation looks better than Mowbray
I wouldn't be too unhappy.
His tactical awareness is worse than mine. I'd be devastated since much of the good stuff they've done is more to the pure talent of the players than him.
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No thank you ... simple as that
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Unpredictable, outspoken manager. Jeremy Peace wouldn't hire him for those two reasons alone.
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His English and prem knowledge should be better than Mel
His honesty and attitude seems better than Clark
His passion and commitment seem better than RDM
His defensive organisation looks better than Mowbray
I wouldn't be too unhappy.
In what way? The Spurs defence is an absolute shambles. They've conceded nearly as many goals as us!
I'd also be concerned that the teams on or better than Spurs level have nearly always comfortably beat them. His success there reminds me of when Avram Grant nearly won the league with Chelsea and was a penalty kick from the champions league, yet showed how woefully out of his depth he was at Portsmouth and West Ham when he got them relegated.
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No, he's full of himself.
He is also useless - stick with Mel
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I think he's actually done a very decent job for someone who is in his first job at high level football. I don't understand those who have said he is useless. His record is pretty good.
I don't want him as next manager though because I think we need someone with more Premier League experience.
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Of the previous six Spurs managers he has the highest loss %.
That is worse than both Juande Ramos and Jacques Santini who both had unsuccessful spells at White Hart Lane.
I personally don't like Sherwood. I think Spurs have looked a poor side from what I've seen of them and I think he has an horrible arrogance for somebody who achieved so little in football management.
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I really dont know what to make of him. At times he comes across as a manager with a lot of passion and his very honest. Then Yesterday for example comes across as very arrogant and full of himself. They have had some very good results since he has been in charge and some poor ones too. I doubt we will go for him he will think he can go somewhere bigger than us most likely and I would rather have Mel in charge.
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Of the previous six Spurs managers he has the highest loss %.
That is worse than both Juande Ramos and Jacques Santini who both had unsuccessful spells at White Hart Lane.
Really? I'm surprised by that. Those two had terrible seasons. I cant remember off the top of my head but where did they finish in terms of position compared to those two. I do seem to recall a month or so ago he came out with the stats that he has the highest win record from a Tottenham manager in the Prem. Maybe they dont draw many.
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Really? I'm surprised by that. Those two had terrible seasons. I cant remember off the top of my head but where did they finish in terms of position compared to those two. I do seem to recall a month or so ago he came out with the stats that he has the highest win record from a Tottenham manager in the Prem. Maybe they dont draw many.
Yes mate. Only Glenn Hoddle has a worse percentage which borders into the 40s.
Loss percentages (all comps) of last six Tottenham managers: Sherwood 37%, AVB 20%, Redknapp 25.2%, Ramos 31.4%, Jol 30%, Santini 30.7%.
I also came across this quote yesterday: "If a club like Tottenham Hotspur judge me on results in games we've got a huge problem" - what on earth is he expecting?!
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He's outspoken and and arrogant.
JP had his fingers burnt with Sir GM so there s no way he'd go for Sherwood.
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He's outspoken and and arrogant.
JP had his fingers burnt with Sir GM so there s no way he'd go for Sherwood.
Agreed
JP wouldn't put up with that kind of character.
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Just can't see Sherwood and Albion as any sort of fit.
Now Pepe Mel and Albion, that's another matter. :)
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I'm resigned to losing Mel now.
Would Sherwood be really that bad? 5th in the form table since he took over at Spurs in December.
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I'm resigned to losing Mel now.
Would Sherwood be really that bad? 5th in the form table since he took over at Spurs in December.
If you like a gent in the ilk of Roy/Pepe then he's not the man. Dunno, he basically seems like a bit of a cock and i know Spurs fans who think he was clueless
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We always go for someone with impressive coaching credentials. He hasn't even got his pro-license. Complete non-starter. He is a complete tool.
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would rather him than a Hughton, Jol, Jones type. Young and may well feel he has something to prove after way he has been treated at Spuds!
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His results are decent but then Avram Grant did well at Chelsea as did RDM for a while. It seems more a case that the players at his disposal are good players and will win games on the strength of that rather than any tactical input from him, eventually they'd get found out like RDM at Chelsea. Particularly concerning is the fact that Spurs were thrashed by the better teams, its all well and good beating teams he has a much better team than, its his equals and betters that he needed to compete against. Given there are no teams in this league who we are much better than, that'd be a major concern.
Spurs fans also really don't think much of him and think the football is often poor. If he's to be a decent manager he needs to go away and get his coaching badges and then start below the premier league.
The one manager I would like to see us go for is Eddie Howe who's done terrific at Bournemouth but he'd cost more than nominal compensation I should think so that's an unlikely one.
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We always go for someone with impressive coaching credentials. He hasn't even got his pro-license. Complete non-starter. He is a complete tool.
Full agree...His arogance is embarrasing and him coming to the Albion would not be great for either party.
Mel wont be here next year and I can only see Malky getting the job! Reasonably cheap, had sucsess at a lower level perfect for the Albion.
Or I would go back and get the man we should have had in the first place...Thomas Schaaf
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Full agree...His arogance is embarrasing and him coming to the Albion would not be great for either party.
Mel wont be here next year and I can only see Malky getting the job! Reasonably cheap, had sucsess at a lower level perfect for the Albion.
Or I would go back and get the man we should have had in the first place...Thomas Schaaf
With Norwich saying they plan to appoint their new manager within a week....to me that means either Adams stays or its going to be Malky.
Bit of a bizarre twist in the Tan v MacKay tussle with Malky and Moody issuing apologies to Tan and agreeing a settlement (I wonder how much extra they got for making a public apology).
Seems Malky wanted a swift end to the dispute presumably as a job was in the pipeline.
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Eddie Howe and a new team wouldn't be a bad shout . He is young and hungry . The main thing is we need a massive clear out of players .
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I'd take him now, plays decent and would know who to "borrow" from spurs.
There's also
Mcinnes
Laudrap
Hughton
Rijkard
Moyes
Rangnick
Hoddle
Etc etc
There are plenty avaliable
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I'd take him now, plays decent and would know who to "borrow" from spurs.
There's also
Mcinnes
Laudrap
Hughton
Rijkard
Moyes
Rangnick
Hoddle
Etc etc
There are plenty avaliable
The 2 I would rule out are McInnes and Hoddle. The rest all have positive points.
As for Sherwood - too risky and seems slightly bonkers.
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We always go for someone with impressive coaching credentials. He hasn't even got his pro-license. Complete non-starter. He is a complete tool.
and look where that's led us to.
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Moyes is a decent option for me.He has vast experience for carrying a mid-table team(Everton,not Man Utd lol).I think his circumstances is similar with Roy Hodgson,which was sacked by a big club and seek for a new job to regain his reputation.
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Cant see Moyes joining as surely we wouldn't pay his wage. Sherwood on the other hand has done a decent job at Spurs but I cant stand him as a person. Publically slating your players is not the way to go about things.
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if we can't get Moyes what about Steve Round his second in command
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if we can't get Moyes what about Steve Round his second in command
We had a number two in Clarke and he wasn't upto it long term, not sure we can risk going for another and as Round is not high profile will this bunch accept him anyway.
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Would love Moyes if Mel goes, but I doubt we would be able to afford him.
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Eddie Howe and a new team wouldn't be a bad shout . He is young and hungry . The main thing is we need a massive clear out of players .
In his comfort zone at Bournemouth, moved out once to Burnley and didnt last long, would have to be sure he was committed to leaving again?
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Who next then?
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The bookies are currently split between Chris Hughton and Malky McKay to be our next manager. Third choice is Tim Sherwood. Other candidates with odds of 12/1 or less are Michael Laudrup, David Moyes and Neil Lennon.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom/next-permanent-manager
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I think we've got to splash the cash and pay top wages to someone who can steady our ship and work on our limited budget. That's why I have opted for David Moyes who may relish this challenge.
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It will be whoever tells Peace in the interview we don't need to spend: :D, I think it will be Hughton.
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These are the candidates off the Sky Bet website. Sorry mods think i may have double posted the topic.
I voted for Laudrup. I still think we can get someone in who can play good football. Don't think we have to go for a negative manager despite the season we have had.
Don't think Laudrup would work under within our 'football department structure' though so not holding my breath.
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My Favored managers would be:
Malky Mackay
Davis Moyes
Uwe Rosler
Sam Alllardyce
Don't think we will get any of them,they are all too strong and have an opinion for Peace.
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Whoever it is it has to be the right choice, we cannot afford to cock up this time.
It has to be someone who is willing to work the way Peace wants - that's just the way the club is.
We need stability, someone that is going to be here for a while and everyone needs to be pulling together in the same direction.
This is a more important appointment than Clarke or Mel were because if we get this one wrong we WILL go down and it'll be a hell of a struggle to come back up again.
I urge all fans regardless of your thoughts towards Jeremy Peace or Pepe Mel or your opinions on who the new manager / head coach should be, when he is appointed please back him. The club will go nowhere if it is fragmented.
Get it right Jezza!!!
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David Moyes needs to be successful at whatever club he goes to next and will want a club that has some ambition. On that basis, there's no chance at all of him coming to Albion.
As far as McInnes is concerned, if he hadn't played for us no-one would give him a second glance. It doesn't matter that he played for us, his record as a manager is all that counts and he's done nothing yet to indicate that he's up to taking on a job like this one.
I feel too disgusted at present to think about who I'd like to be here next.
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No doubt we'll pull a rabbit out of the hat again. Based on the last round of interviews I still quite fancy Schaaf, but he was ruled out so that would rule him out again this time unless we change our set up.
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I'd take Rossler or McLaren if either/neither their current teams get promoted, on the long shot that Moyes was interested I think we should make every effort to get him in.
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I urge all fans regardless of your thoughts towards Jeremy Peace or Pepe Mel or your opinions on who the new manager / head coach should be, when he is appointed please back him. The club will go nowhere if it is fragmented.
Like you backed Pepe Mel you mean?
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I would like Tim Sherwood - best Premier League win % of any Spurs manager 59% and Gareth Bale always says good things about him.
Unfortunately I think it will be Malky and probably always has been - we just didn't get him because of his settlement battle.
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Suspect it will be Jol,would prefer Petrescu, McClaren,or Moyes. Definitely think it will be somebody that has worked in the premier league/championship suspect they wont go down the overseas route. Wouldnt want Jones or Hughton!!
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I don't think that Peace will pay compensation for a head coach who is in a job, so it is likely to be Jol, Sherwood, Hughton or Mackay or Dave Jones, god help us!
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Like you backed Pepe Mel you mean?
The club was in a mess mate. From day one Pepe Mel wasn't happy with the set up he wanted his own men here Jeremy wouldn't allow it - it was only ever going to end one way. Keeping Pepe Mel would've meant the club continued to be fragmented.
I just said it as I saw it, I never once did anything against Pepe Mel personally.
Surely you can understand that no business can succeed if everybody wants different things?
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David Moyes needs to be successful at whatever club he goes to next and will want a club that has some ambition. On that basis, there's no chance at all of him coming to Albion.
As far as McInnes is concerned, if he hadn't played for us no-one would give him a second glance. It doesn't matter that he played for us, his record as a manager is all that counts and he's done nothing yet to indicate that he's up to taking on a job like this one.
I feel too disgusted at present to think about who I'd like to be here next.
Agree, he had a disaster at Bristol City and whilst he has had success at Aberdeen you really can't pick a manager just because of success in a weak Scottish league.
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Agree, he had a disaster at Bristol City and whilst he has had success at Aberdeen you really can't pick a manager just because of success in a weak Scottish league.
Man United picked Ferguson from Aberdeen. ;)
Mind you that was 1986. ::)
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Uninspiring list of choices looking at it, Moyes would be ideal for me but I don't think there is any remote chance of that happening.
Hughton-Wasted a lot of money at Norwich. Barely kept them up last season(lucky they got to play us) and was taking them down this season before getting sacked.
Mackay-Again spent a lot of money at Cardiff. Who knows whether he would have kept them up or not. Has a good reputation within the game and is supposed to be highly-rated by the board. Likes full control over transfers(unless he has Moody with him) and very in-demand, so unlikely for me.
Sherwood-Great win % at Spurs but also seemed to get on the wrong side of players, fans didn't rate him too highly. Not fully qualified, bit of a nut-job but could be the kind of bloke to come in and ruffle a few feathers. Runs his mouth too much for Peace.
Laudrup-Reputation for good football, takes cups seriously. Again, had issues with players at Swansea and felt the board there didn't back him enough, despite spending serious money in both of his summers at the club.
Jol-Did a good job everywhere but Fulham, where he contributed to putting together a squad with much the same problem as ours-ageing with a lack of pace. Break from football may have helped him?
McInnes-Rebuilding his name after poor spell at Bristol City, albeit they were a club with a lot of issues. Doing well at Aberdeen, but would any of us want a bloke who was doing well at Aberdeen if he wasn't a former player/captain of ours?
Rosler-Done well at both Wigan and Brentford. However, only just joined Wigan, so unlikely to leave quickly.
McClaren-Has a hit and miss record, but doing very well at Derby. Used to working as a "head coach" rather than a manager. Would be a good candidate but again only just joined Derby.
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McLaren would be best fit for our structure in my opinion. Structure won't change so nobody decent will be interested.
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Mackay to Norwich is almost done by the sounds of it so that one is ruled out.
Laudrup won't come here either, he said he wants to manage a big european club then return to Denmark.
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Realistically I would like Malky Mackay. I think he will come in do a good job for us. Ideally I would love us to get David Moyes I think he would be a fantastic appointment. I doubt we will get him however I was very surpsied that we managed to get Roy Hodgson. Laudrup would be someone that I would happily have too.
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Moyes or Laudrup ideally.
More than likely be Mackay though.
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First instincts would like us to get Martin Jol.
I think after a break from Fulham he may be recharged, the last season he messed up but other than that i think his track record is pretty good.
He dont take any messing, he would sort some of our mercenaries out, he plays good football, has experience and a link to the club and i think as our managers tend to have a couple of years span he would be ideal.
That said, if he is under consideration i hope the club will know they are getting the Martin Jol of pre 2013, not the 2013 version! Basically make sure he is refreshed and hungry!
Also wouldnt mind any of Laudrup or someone who plays good football and has some english management experience, i dont think the club will go for the unknown and untried again after the Clarke and Mel appointments.
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I'm sure whoever it is we can trust out board to make the right decision again.
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martin jol , knows the league , and talks great English .
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When does Ralph Rangnik enter the betting.
Who,s on watch at the london office, are peace jenkins and garlick getting skype set up yet.
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I think that Laudrup will be ruled out the minute JP speaks to Swansea boss Huw Jenkins. There were, apparently serious issues regarding Laudrup's commitment to Swansea, hence the parting of the ways.
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I wouldn't be totally against Hughton getting the job. Ideally we will go for someone more inspiring but I can't see it happening.
He wasted a lot of money at Norwich but he wouldn't be given that opportunity here. We know he's a good coach and with the extra help of a director of football (Burton) he could be a good fit.
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My money sadly is on Hughton :'(
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I must be in the minority.. but I would take Hughton.
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Moyes all day long..will do a great job for us a perfect fit.
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If you think Moyes would come to us then sadly I think you hold the club in a lot higher regard than we actually are. No chance of this happening at all.
Hughton would fit in to our structure, as would McLaren or Jol. We won't get any better than that. I'd go for McLaren if he doesn't get Derby up, not a free option but as a coach, one of the best around.
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I simply do not care who is in charge of this club next season, I've fallen out of love with the club, the people who run it and the direction we are headed. Yesterday felt worse than when we got relegated. I've travelled to every home game and the majority of away games from different parts of the country and it's not worth it any more. Who the hell is going to want to come to us now? The heart and soul of this club has been eaten up and shat out.
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I want somebody with staying power. Don't want the club in this situation in 12-18 months time AGAIN. Mel was that man, so we need somebody with vision like him but i worry the board don't have the same ambitions as the fans and forward-thinking coaches
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I'm going for a wild card here in Hoddle - would certainly fit the bill with regards to knowing our set up and the way we want to play football. Moyes too but very unlikely.
Having said that I think it will be Mackay
Whoever it is I just hope Peace doesn't F4RT around getting someone appointed. This is a major project to rebuild the team this summer and a few badly researched late signings will NOT cut the mustard Jeremy!!!!
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in garlicks statement he as said to join our current structure which is nearly complete so looks like burton is coming in because garlick as no football nous. that needs taking into consideration as most like to bring there own sidekicks in aswel.
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I put Schaaf but i'd be happy with a few up there. Schaaf was the one i wanted most in december. Now i'm thinking Schaaf again but only if his English is really good!!
I personally think it'll be a Brit. Probs Hughton - i'm impartial to that appointment although what Norwih fans say worries me and he did struggle after spending. Before Norwich i'd have probs been more than happy with him
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correct me if im wrong but didn't we have talks with Slaven Bilic before we appointed Mel.
Maybe we could go back in for him
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I simply do not care who is in charge of this club next season, I've fallen out of love with the club, the people who run it and the direction we are headed. Yesterday felt worse than when we got relegated. I've travelled to every home game and the majority of away games from different parts of the country and it's not worth it any more. Who the hell is going to want to come to us now? The heart and soul of this club has been eaten up and shat out.
The situation is hardly as bad as you portray. Clubs veer from crisis to model club on a season by season basis. Strong appointment and some decent transfers and everyone will be in love with the club again by September.
As for the list of managers, the favourites are a very uninspiring bunch, but then none of the favourites last time were anywhere near to joining either. Personally i'd like to see Eddie Howe appointed, absolutely brilliant job at Bournemouth, and was decent at Burnley too. But I doubt the club will pay anything other than nominal compensation so he's highly unlikely.
Whoever it is the club needs to make a decision inside 2 weeks. Normally it wouldn't matter so much in close season but the club needs to move quickly with the amount of big decisions to be made, not least the out of contract players.
correct me if im wrong but didn't we have talks with Slaven Bilic before we appointed Mel.
Maybe we could go back in for him
I'm pretty sure that's made up, Billic is one of the highest paid managers in the world. And that's without considering compensation for him.
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For me it has got Malkay McKay written all over it !! All of a sudden his court case against Vincent Tan gets dropped and two days later Mel has left by mutual consent!!
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in garlicks statement he as said to join our current structure which is nearly complete so looks like burton is coming in because garlick as no football nous. that needs taking into consideration as most like to bring there own sidekicks in aswel.
Surely Garlick will be sacked as being responsible for the footballing side of things ????
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Those voting for David Moyes - why do you think for a second that he'd want to come to Albion? Everyone knows we have no ambition, so what signal would it send out from him if he came to us?
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McClaren for me, and I love it if he did his first interview in a think west brom accent
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Like to see a
Flamboyant coach who would take no pooh from
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Could we add Bilic, Karl Robinson and Prosinecki to the list please.
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I simply do not care who is in charge of this club next season, I've fallen out of love with the club, the people who run it and the direction we are headed. Yesterday felt worse than when we got relegated. I've travelled to every home game and the majority of away games from different parts of the country and it's not worth it any more. Who the hell is going to want to come to us now? The heart and soul of this club has been eaten up and shat out.
This.
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I doubt JP would pay what David Moyes would want! Whose to say he wont take a short break from football with the settlement he got from Utd.
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I voted for Uwe Rosler but there isn't a chance as Jezza won't pay compensation.
Whoever they appoint, this must be done quickly. We have so many players' futures up in the air that the new guy needs to work through the summer to sort this out. As it has been clear for the last 2-3 weeks that PM was leaving by "mutual consent!", I would be shocked if JP hasn't already sounded out potential replacements.
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I doubt JP would pay what David Moyes would want! Whose to say he wont take a short break from football with the settlement he got from Utd.
We got Hodgson from Liverpool and he cant have been cheap so what's to say Moyes wont join.
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Like to see a
Flamboyant coach who would take no poo from
Peace won't allow that !
PEACE OUT !!!!
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Don't know much about him but Oscar Garcia has just resigned from Brighton & Hove Albion. He did play for Barcelona and coach their youth team as well as winning the Israeli league two seasons ago (12/13). Could be worth a shout?
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We got Hodgson from Liverpool and he cant have been cheap so what's to say Moyes wont join.
Hodgson had been sacked by Liverpool by the time Peace started sniffing about.
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Whoever it is, they have to be experienced. Every time we go for an inexperienced man, we end up either relegated or flirting with it. When we had Roy in charge, he made the players better than they were. If we're going to survive, we need that again.
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please not hughton
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Just as you thought it couldn't get any worse
http://www.leeds.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=358867
McDermott's odds slashed to take baggies job
God help us
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One positive is that this time around we should have a bit more choice as this is a much better time to be recruiting a manager. Managers don't like joining clubs half way through a season for obvious reasons. At least now the new head coach will know he gets a pre-season to work with the players. Also, a lot of managers are released from their contracts around this time so there should be a few more managers floating around looking for a job.
I think we should all just put money on it being Martin Jol again just for a laugh ;)
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Hodgson had been sacked by Liverpool by the time Peace started sniffing about.
...? and Moyes has been sacked by United, so the situation is quite similar. Like Hodgson he's got a huge payoff and won't need the money, he'll just want to get his reputation back. Why not?
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Its all well and good throwing names out there but maybe we need to take a look at the failures of the team this season and who is best qualified to fix them.
We were dreadful in defense. need someone who can coach how to defend.
We could rarely string two passes together in midfield. Need someone who isn't afraid to teach basics to a bunch of over-hyped individuals.
We were poor up front, couldn't hold up a ball to build an attack and woeful in front of goal. We need someone who can teach the importance of holding up and supporting from midfield.
There's a lot of glamour names listed but most of them have worked with expensive squads which we will never be.
The best bet for any progress would be a working man who has a track record of improving teams with small budgets rather than living off expensive signings and star names. With that being said you could probably eliminate half of the names on that list immediately.
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The more i think about it the more i warm to Jol. Unemployed, ex-baggie, a good record (minus Fulham), prob has good contacts in the game, prem experience. Plays attractive football but am i right in thinking quite good defensively too?? Yeah i've just sold it to myself!
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Once we get past the dream names you get the more likely's , i suspect McInnes will be near the top of the list as he's young , has Albion links that will please many and just had a great year in Scotland.
No doubt they will speak to people we can't tempt then come back to Our Del or Hughton or Jol.
I didn't want Mel to go and right now only McInnes could bring something new for me.
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Not on the list but how about Gus Poyet?
Future in doubt at Sunderland and has done a great job their and at Brighton.
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Once we get past the dream names you get the more likely's , i suspect McInnes will be near the top of the list as he's young , has Albion links that will please many and just had a great year in Scotland.
No doubt they will speak to people we can't tempt then come back to Our Del or Hughton or Jol.
I didn't want Mel to go and right now only McInnes could bring something new for me.
I hope it's something exciting or a clever appointment like Jol. I'm feeling very down about WBA right now as i can imagine we all are. Most of us really warmed to Mel and bought into a future with him. I wish i could just shut my laptop and stop thinking about it but unfortunately i've got blue and white running through my veins and i just can't stop thinking about how the club can get out of this mess
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The club should just get the last Head Coach shortlist out of the bin and contact the second name down.
Really can't be bothered with all this ******** again so soon.
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Given the timing of Malky's settlement with Cardiff I think its pretty certain he's either going to be manager of Norwich or us by this time next week.
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Hughton - No.
McDermott - No.
Jones - No.
Lennon - No.
Sherwood would have an authoritarian side that we need atm - but don't see it as long term stability.
Mackay - perhaps. But not known for playing free flowing football.
Laudrup - Would never join us imo. Lost interest at Swansea by all accounts.
Moyes - Doubt it.
If we want a few years stability, Id go for Jol. I'd sack off KD too and bring in new back room staff.
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If you're after a coach that will unite players, fans and coach youngster stars through the ranks - Nigel Adkins.
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Hughton - No.
McDermott - No.
Jones - No.
Lennon - No.
Sherwood would have an authoritarian side that we need atm - but don't see it as long term stability.
Mackay - perhaps. But not known for playing free flowing football.
Laudrup - Would never join us imo. Lost interest at Swansea by all accounts.
Moyes - Doubt it.
If we want a few years stability, Id go for Jol. I'd sack off KD too and bring in new back room staff.
I voted for Moyes in an ideal world situation, but old tightwad would never splash the cash enough for that to work. Jol or Laudrup decent options. Still naffed off that Mel wasn't given the chance though and I am more worried about attitudes of players than I am about the next revolving door manager.
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If you're after a coach that will unite players, fans and coach youngster stars through the ranks - Nigel Adkins.
He did superbly well at Southampton and, in the view of many, had a raw deal when they got rid of him. Moderate success so far at Reading, but he has a CV that will appeal to JP
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Please please please not Chris Hughton . Someone in the mould of Rossler or Luadrup or Steve McLaren
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If you're after a coach that will unite players, fans and coach youngster stars through the ranks - Nigel Adkins.
Good shout...
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Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski 2 hrs
Can't emphasise enough, this is not regarded as an 'attractive' job compared to 2-years ago. Word has got out, sadly
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Jonas Olson - player manager?
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Jonas Olson - player manager?
. It ends in off 8)
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Garlick will get job
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Jonas Olson - player manager?
Brunt's the closest in terms of licences, and he's the captain already too... ;)
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Dear Mr. Moyes, we will do for you post Man Utd what we did for Roy post Liverpool.
There is the sales pitch. We can but dream
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If you're after a coach that will unite players, fans and coach youngster stars through the ranks - Nigel Adkins.
Yes - an interesting shout. Was treated very badly at Southampton.
Adkins or McLaren (if Derby don't come up) would both be good candidates and have far more to offer than the dross like Hughton (nice bloke though he is).
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Dear Mr. Moyes, we will do for you post Man Utd what we did for Roy post Liverpool.
There is the sales pitch. We can but dream
Haha it's a great pitch. Trouble is he will be looking at how we've treated Pepe. As will everyone else....
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Yes - an interesting shout. Was treated very badly at Southampton.
Adkins or McLaren (if Derby don't come up) would both be good candidates and have far more to offer than the dross like Hughton (nice bloke though he is).
I'm almost certain it won't be someone who is currently employed.
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Who would come as a head coach?
You have to work with 2 coaches who you don't know but are loved by the players and someone else buys the players on your behalf.
Not a great deal
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I'm not really bothered about this managerial search to be honest. I dread to imagine what name the club are going to pluck from somewhere. Let's be honest, unless we start to make changes to this squad, the new manager will fall into the similar trap of receiving no support from the board before being sacked 16 months later because the players have slumped into their complacent, apathetic ways. And then the cycle will repeat again and another head coach gets the sack and again, and again and again..Zzzz
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I would like to see somebody from Europe again, although somebody who speaks better English and maybe who is more suited to our recent style, but I expect it to be somebody like Malkay McKay. Whatever it is, I have very little faith in the board to make the right decision based on the last 18 months where we seemed to have made bad decision after bad decision.
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Seeing as the club have clearly been planning to do this for weeks, if not months, I fully expect a swift and satisfactory appointment. We cannot afford to urine about like we did when appointing Mel.
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I just don't see a big name coming here. Our reputation is in the sh*tter right now.
I feel we will only attract a lower division manager willing to step up or someone none of us would expect.
With the budget they won't be getting and the poor level of playing staff we have, any bigger named coach would be threatening their future prospects by coming here.
Unfortunately we are now at the bottom of premiership pecking order for attractive jobs.
How I would love to be wrong but I just don't see it.
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Seeing as the club have clearly been planning to do this for weeks, if not months, I fully expect a swift and satisfactory appointment. We cannot afford to pee about like we did when appointing Mel.
It will be more like a shopping trip with my Mrs.. They will go in every shop possible only to choose the first bloody option!
Please don't interview some of the rubbish you did last time Peace.. What a waste of time.
On a second note, if the wrong appointment is made I can see a backlash of the fans.. It's like we all had beans on toast... It's a brewing!
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Doesn't matter who we have next if downing and Kiely stop there nothing will change ,it wants a complete clear out and let the new man bring in his own staff and give him a transfer kitty to bring in new better players and get rid of certain players who have done a job for us in the past but are not premier league standard
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Seeing as the club have clearly been planning to do this for weeks, if not months, I fully expect a swift and satisfactory appointment. We cannot afford to pee about like we did when appointing Mel.
What we will now see is 4 weeks worth of 'due dilegence' aka faffing.
Surely they still have all the paperwork lying around from 4 months ago to avoid having to go through the whole process again.
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Downing and Minogue still in place.
Chairman with head up ar$3, short arms and deep pockets.
Strip increasingly looking like some mint rock off blackpool prom.
And I've just heard plans for our name to be changed to Albion Antelopes
(FACT)
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The board knew that pepe wad going weeks ago , obviosly.
So if no one is not lined up or appointed shortly then turn the light off
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The Daily Mirror claim Tim Sherwood is top of our wish list.
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I know he lost tonight and I know he's probably not on the radar but I'd like to see Uwe Rosler given a go. Defensively he looked well organised and plays good football. I think every club he's been at he's improved too which would be a start. I just don't think he's that realistic though, sadly.
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The Daily Mirror claim Tim Sherwood is top of our wish list.
Wouldn't surprise me at all. Instead of turning the squad over, as needs to be done, they will bring in a screamer and shouter to kick start the squad again.
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I know he lost tonight and I know he's probably not on the radar but I'd like to see Uwe Rosler given a go. Defensively he looked well organised and plays good football. I think every club he's been at he's improved too which would be a start. I just don't think he's that realistic though, sadly.
Now that's an appointment I'd like to see. Might have trouble with Saido though, think he was at Brentford and sent him back!
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The Daily Mirror claim Tim Sherwood is top of our wish list.
The Mirror also claimed OGS had the job the day after we sacked Clarke.
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8)
Wouldn't surprise me at all. Instead of turning the squad over, as needs to be done, they will bring in a screamer and shouter to kick start the squad again.
The only screaming and shouting would be between Peace and Sherwood. He wouldn't last a month.
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i'm past caring about who our next head coach is.
Is not worth either getting excited or stressed about as we will be looking for another one with 18 months (fact in the Peace era)
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Always liked Jol. Albion connection and seems like a nice guy.... could do worse i reckon.
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Out of the list Moyes or Laudrup for me. Two very different styles but someone I think Peace and his back room will be scared sh*tless to question. More football in their left nut then any of them.....similar to how RH won them over.
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I hope it's not Mackay purely for the constant spelling mistakes on here.
:P
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england to lose every game in group stages. hodgson to get sacked with immediate effect. burton gets on phone and gets his mate back at the albion! haha
moyes wont come...i can see him going to newcastle when pardew gets the sack.
i'd like laudrup...thats good football to watch....but again he has higher ambitions than to manage a team like us.
i can see it being someone like mcinnes.
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Out of the list Moyes or Laudrup for me. Two very different styles but someone I think Peace and his back room will be scared sh*tless to question. More football in their left nut then any of them.....similar to how RH won them over.
Moyes is probably well burnt out after United (as is Jol who didn't do an impressive job with Fulham).
Laudrup seems to be a fair weather coach in the RdM mould. Not what we need. Also Laudrup wants his players to play football, which our players have demonstrated they don't want anything to do with, far too demanding of their 'skill sets'.
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Mackay? No thanks, got found out in the Prem with Cardiff - if we went down, then yes.
Jones? Don't need to explain why.
Hughton? Again, I don't need to explain why.
Sherwood? I'd give him a chance, but him and JP would be a disaster waiting to happen.
Who's left...Moyes? I don't think he'll be managing for a while yet. Laudrup? Not a prayer.
Not a lot of choice out there. Jol? Not sure, done nothing with Fulham.
If I was going to go for the leftfield, potentially Uwe Rosler.
But I don't know. I think experience is needed, but the squad needs overhauling completely.
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Moyes is probably well burnt out after United (as is Jol who didn't do an impressive job with Fulham).
Laudrup seems to be a fair weather coach in the RdM mould. Not what we need. Also Laudrup wants his players to play football, which our players have demonstrated they don't want anything to do with, far too demanding of their 'skill sets'.
I disagree mate I think Moyes will be hungry to show that he is not the idiot United and the press made him out to be. Are we the right club for him is the question for me?
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To be honest I don't care about this club anymore and I
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Right now we need a heavy weight appointment nothing left field a been there got the tee shirt coach who ain't going to take no pooh from the collection of prima donnas that are currently masquerading as professional footballers at West Brom. Personally I would go for Jol.
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Right now we need a heavy weight appointment nothing left field a been there got the tee shirt coach who ain't going to take no poo from the collection of prima donnas that are currently masquerading as professional footballers at West Brom. Personally I would go for Jol.
I wholeheartedly agree, though i do think that in many ways the club has created some of this problem. I know if I had been in a job for only five, six or so years and had seen five permanent and a couple of stand in managers come and go i may begin to feel that I have more insight to my job than the manager, and less inclined to accept yet another manager's methods or thinking. Whilst the club continues its revolving door strategy with regard to managers I cant see how it can hope to reverse the dressing room trend.
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The problem is that the club is stuck with mediocre players on big, fat contracts making them almost impossible to move on. The players know that. They know JP will fire the manager before he cuts into the squad to protect his precious 'investment'.
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>:( Someone who can show some authority over these Mamby Pamby players and kick their arses into playing for our Club.
They need sorting out big-time....So probably a Martin Jol, Curbishly type of manager.
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First instincts would like us to get Martin Jol.
I think after a break from Fulham he may be recharged, the last season he messed up but other than that i think his track record is pretty good.
He dont take any messing, he would sort some of our mercenaries out, he plays good football, has experience and a link to the club and i think as our managers tend to have a couple of years span he would be ideal.
That said, if he is under consideration i hope the club will know they are getting the Martin Jol of pre 2013, not the 2013 version! Basically make sure he is refreshed and hungry!
Also wouldnt mind any of Laudrup or someone who plays good football and has some english management experience, i dont think the club will go for the unknown and untried again after the Clarke and Mel appointments.
Look at Jol record at Fulham
under Al Fayed ownership (2 seasons) his Win-Draw-Loss percentage was 33% - 26% - 41%
then when Shahid Khan took over (13 games) it dropped to 23% - 8% - 69%
so was it the owner or the Manager???
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What about Maclaren if Derby are not promoted ?...similar appointment to RH..
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Jol, McLaren and Adkins seem to me to be the standout candidates. All wouod surely relish the opportunity to manage again in the Premiership, although McLaren might get there anyway through the play-offs.
I doubt Peace would go down the less experienced route, but if he does then Rosler seems far more appealing than Zola or McInnes, for example.
Petrescu as an outside bet if going abroad.
I'd be very happy for a prompt decision of either Jol, McLaren or Adkins as soon as the play-offs outcome is known, so that the new boss can start planning the new season right away. As we know, there is a huge amount of work to be done.
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If I were Moyes this job would appeal.
A club finishing 17th this season so anything above that next year will be seen as an improvement.
Moyes is also used to working under budget constraints, Kenwright never splashed the cash willy nilly but what they did do was buy quality and bring some of the youngsters through.
Moyes (I know its a long shot) for me so long as he doesnt bring screeech with him.
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To be honest I don't care about this club anymore and I
I like this quote, it couldn't commit for the full 90 minutes....
;)
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Oscar Garcia anyone? Added him to the poll.
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I like this quote, it couldn't commit for the full 90 minutes....
;)
I didn't know Jimmy Morrison was from Coseley
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The problem is that the club is stuck with mediocre players on big, fat contracts making them almost impossible to move on. The players know that. They know JP will fire the manager before he cuts into the squad to protect his precious 'investment'.
Have we actually got that many players, mediocre or not, on long term contract? This is not sarcasm, I'm actually not sure of the details?
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Oscar Garcia anyone? Added him to the poll.
Did you see Brighton defend the other night?
Made our lot look like Real Madrid!
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I voted for McInnes. He had a great affinity with the club and the fans here....and he's keen and ambitious. I do feel that someone with even a modicum of emotional/sentimental attachment to our club can only be beneficial. Give him a go, lets see what he's made of!
Mind you, I bet it turns out to be someone we've never heard of! :o
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Did you see Brighton defend the other night?
Made our lot look like Real Madrid!
Brighton had one of the best defensive records in the Championship this season, only conceded 40 odd goals. A bit harsh to judge them on one game.
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I Fancy Slaven Biilic he was close to coming last time but with Besitaks moving the goal posts with the compensation their packag, but who ever comes they need a decent kitty to play on the transfer market by we will see
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Brighton had one of the best defensive records in the Championship this season, only conceded 40 odd goals. A bit harsh to judge them on one game.
I think Garcia could be a good apointment, good winning mentality and plays good football.
Think the problem could be with whether players would respect him enough!
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I think Garcia could be a good apointment, good winning mentality and plays good football.
Think the problem could be with whether players would respect him enough!
Unfortunately I think the only way the players will respect a manager is if we bring in a Megson type. Mel proves nice guys finish last. Whoever comes in needs to chew up whoevers left and rubbish them out.
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The two who I would be delighted with would be Laudrup and Moyes. I think both would be great appointments but I do think both are unlikely to want the job. I would also be in favour of McLaren (who I think is made for this job), Mackay and McInnes.
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Go get Rosler
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Hello all: first post on these boards.
Would love to see Moyes at the Albion, but even if it got to the interview stage negotiations over back room staff could be sticky. The Club are saying the new HC would have to fit into the existing structure. When he went to ManU he brought in three staff with him.
For it to fit looks like club and coach have to meet each other half way. Can't see it happening with Peace in charge unless he really wants his man.
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I dont want him anyway but Moyes would be out of our league.My guess is he will go to the Villa
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The two who I would be delighted with would be Laudrup and Moyes. I think both would be great appointments but I do think both are unlikely to want the job. I would also be in favour of McLaren (who I think is made for this job), Mackay and McInnes.
Why Mackay and McInnes? Mackay had to put up with Tan I grant you, but I suspect Cardiff spent more on transfers than we did and yet they were relegated, having played attritional football for much of the season.
As for McInnes, no-one would be giving him a second glance if he hadn't previously played for us. People talk about Bristol City having been in a mess when he was there, but aren't we as things stand? Obviously the Bristol City board didn't absolve him of blame as they sacked him, having lost 18 of 28 games that season, conceding 58 goals in the process and failing to keep a single clean sheet.
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Hello all: first post on these boards.
Would love to see Moyes at the Albion, but even if it got to the interview stage negotiations over back room staff could be sticky. The Club are saying the new HC would have to fit into the existing structure. When he went to ManU he brought in three staff with him.
For it to fit looks like club and coach have to meet each other half way. Can't see it happening with Peace in charge unless he really wants his man.
Welcome Rheneas, I agree with you. Moyes will also want to go to a club that is ambitious to consistently be in the top half of the table and that clearly isn't Albion. With new, focussed owners, it could be Villa though, sad to say.
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I dont want him anyway but Moyes would be out of our league.My guess is he will go to the Villa
No so sure about out of our league (although I see exactly what you mean and you have a point). But we did get Roy Hodgson after all when he was in a similar position.
Put it this way: Yes Albion have got 'issues' as a club, but there are far more things up in the air with the Villa.
If I was any manager looking at the Albion job I'd see it as a place where I could really make my mark, if- and it's a big if- I could get certain assurances from JP re. team matters, player recruitment and budget.
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Why Mackay and McInnes? Mackay had to put up with Tan I grant you, but I suspect Cardiff spent more on transfers than we did and yet they were relegated, having played attritional football for much of the season.
As for McInnes, no-one would be giving him a second glance if he hadn't previously played for us. People talk about Bristol City having been in a mess when he was there, but aren't we as things stand? Obviously the Bristol City board didn't absolve him of blame as they sacked him, having lost 18 of 28 games that season, conceding 58 goals in the process and failing to keep a single clean sheet.
Whilst I acknowledge Tan would be a nightmare boss and was clearly interfering, Mackay's transfers were dreadful - and if you look on their boards, the majority of the Cardiff fans admit this and hold Mackay accountable to their relegation to some extent. Basically his record this season is this:
Cornelius - £8 million, 21 years old, 40k p/w
Medel - £8 million, 27 years old, 40k p/w
Caulker - £8 million, 23 years old, 60k p/w
Theopile-Catherine - £2.2 million, 24 years old, 20k p/w?
Basically he spent near £30 million and massive wages and on what? He should have been sacked from that and he was. He won't be trusted by Peace imo.
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Why Mackay and McInnes? Mackay had to put up with Tan I grant you, but I suspect Cardiff spent more on transfers than we did and yet they were relegated, having played attritional football for much of the season.
As for McInnes, no-one would be giving him a second glance if he hadn't previously played for us. People talk about Bristol City having been in a mess when he was there, but aren't we as things stand? Obviously the Bristol City board didn't absolve him of blame as they sacked him, having lost 18 of 28 games that season, conceding 58 goals in the process and failing to keep a single clean sheet.
They wouldn't be my first choice as I said but Mackay is a strong personality and a leader which I think this club needs. He was doing a decent job, Cardiff weren't in the relegation zone when he was sacked.
As for McInnes I believe he is destined for this job. The bloke oozes class and would command respect. It may be too early for him granted but the fans would back him. With someone like Burton on board it would only benefit him. AS I said it may be a year early but I think if we'd have gone down he would have been given the chance.
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Unfortunately I think the only way the players will respect a manager is if we bring in a Megson type. Mel proves nice guys finish last. Whoever comes in needs to chew up whoevers left and rubbish them out.
I doubt he takes any shiite to be honest or at least it appears that he is very much the man in charge.
I thought it really strange that he resigned after getting Brighton into playoffs and that he had only been there for one season.
He also quit previous club Maccabi Tel Aviv after only one great championship-winning season ??
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McClaren or Rosler for me.
I fear that we'll end up with MacKay or Hughton though.
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No so sure about out of our league (although I see exactly what you mean and you have a point). But we did get Roy Hodgson after all when he was in a similar position.
Put it this way: Yes Albion have got 'issues' as a club, but there are far more things up in the air with the Villa.
If I was any manager looking at the Albion job I'd see it as a place where I could really make my mark, if- and it's a big if- I could get certain assurances from JP re. team matters, player recruitment and budget.
No chance in cats hell.It's JP way or no way
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Stuart McCall has done a fantastic job at Motherwell, on a very low budget. He has done far better than Derek McInnes in my opinion.
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That rumours guy on twitter is claiming we have approached Mackay today, branding it as an EXCLUSIVE.
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Moyes or Lennon for me.
Moyes has got the track record in the Prem from his Everton days and has shown he can make relatively little go a long way. Will be angry from his time at Utd and can turn that into positive energy at the Albion.
Lennon: track record of success at Celtic (alright, I know it's only the Scottish Prem but even so there's people here talking up McInnes). Gives me the impression that he takes no s*&t from anyone and commands respect by example which is what is needed right now.
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Looking at it from a realistic angle my choice would be McInnes, with possibly Appleton as his number two. He has done a superb job at Aberdeen, obvious links with the club already, plays decent-‘ish’ football by all accounts and has the personality to crack the whip - which I think is desperately needed. It would probably also get a very disillusioned supporter base back onside, although that shouldn’t be a consideration when appointing a new head coach but is an added bonus nonetheless.
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That rumours guy on twitter is claiming we have approached Mackay today, branding it as an EXCLUSIVE.
could possibly be why he has dropped the case against wan. But to be fair he seems to of been in the background since Clarke left.
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Just had a text from my mate in Scotland and he thinks it could be Terry Butcher :o I think he has been on the whiskey already.
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Looking at it from a realistic angle my choice would be McInnes, with possibly Appleton as his number two. He has done a superb job at Aberdeen, obvious links with the club already, plays decent-‘ish’ football by all accounts and has the personality to crack the whip - which I think is desperately needed. It would probably also get a very disillusioned supporter base back onside, although that shouldn’t be a consideration when appointing a new head coach but is an added bonus nonetheless.
I love McInnes from the old Championship days, but times like these we need an appointment like JP made with Hodgson: experience, a strong approach on the training field and a track record in the Prem.
You get what you pay for. The board can count the pennies all they like over this one, but they know if they try to do it on the cheap this time they're more as likely taking the club down, and that's one bill they don't want to get.
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That rumours guy on twitter is claiming we have approached Mackay today, branding it as an EXCLUSIVE.
4 wins in 18 Premiership games after spending £30m.........mmmm seems like the type of guy we would approach.
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Why don't we appoint Steven Reid. I like the bloke but it was ridiculous the way he and other players treated Pepe Mel. Karma tends to be a bitch i hear.
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Moyes for me.
Torrid time at Utd, a chance to redeem his reputation. Would take a hard line on players
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Moyes for me.
Torrid time at Utd, a chance to redeem his reputation. Would take a hard line on players
Would he? Moyes problem at United was exactly that he didn't control the dressing room. He was used to having a good group of players at Everton who took care of the dressing room for him, in fact he counted on them being mature enough to do so. But at United the players never really took to him.
Atm we have a dressing room that clearly has split off from reality and merely a new manager will not fix it, we need new blood and a renewed hunger, not players looking to protect their turf, comfort zone and power.
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Moyes for me.
Torrid time at Utd, a chance to redeem his reputation. Would take a hard line on players
Moyes would be great but he has just be manager of the biggest football club in the world, would he now choose to be ‘head coach’ working under purse strings Peace and a glorified lawyer in Garlick? I think he will end up in the Bundesliga, was apparently keen to manage in Germany before the United job came up.
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Man Utd's dressing room and that of ours are two completely different kettles of fish.
Out of the people bandied about Moyes would be an obvious person to approach. I think he would be very good for us.
As for players being mature enough to control the dressing room, I don't believe that for one minute, players need guidance and a strong character to control them as we have seen this season where our dressing room obviously has a lot of immature selfish egotistical players. I believe Moyes would destroy the clique that has developed.
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Since Appleton left I think there's been a distinct lack of bite behind the scenes and the team have got extremely comfortable. It doesn't help that we've had a few players here a long time who seem to have set up some sort of old boys club who since Appleton went in November 2011 and then Hodgson left have had such an easy ride of it. With Clarke Downing and Keily in charge we've got worse both on the pitch and player discipline off the pitch and they certainly don't seem to show respect to others. Mel needed his back room staff in place immediately if there was going to be a shake up, not leave Downing and Keily for the players to moan to.
If Dean and Keith have 'saved us' and the players like him that suggests that a) the players were working hard for DK and KD and that they're b) dreadful at coaching. We weren't playing Mel's style and were dreadful, as had been the case for the majority of the time those two had influence on the team. Under Roy and Appleton Downing probably had no real control on how the team was set up and their influence has grown since.
As sad as I am to admit it, Odemwingie's comments about there being a 'mafia' at the club made up of old players and their mates the coaches may have a strong element of reality.
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Moyes would be great but he has just be manager of the biggest football club in the world, would he now choose to be ‘head coach’ working under purse strings Peace and a glorified lawyer in Garlick? I think he will end up in the Bundesliga, was apparently keen to manage in Germany before the United job came up.
Totally agree, he will get another decent job as the constraints of our club limit the type and quality of manager we can attract. But in a vote out of all the candidates Moyes wins hands down for me.
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Since Appleton left I think there's been a distinct lack of bite behind the scenes and the team have got extremely comfortable. It doesn't help that we've had a few players here a long time who seem to have set up some sort of old boys club who since Appleton went in November 2011 and then Hodgson left have had such an easy ride of it. With Clarke Downing and Keily in charge we've got worse both on the pitch and player discipline off the pitch and they certainly don't seem to show respect to others. Mel needed his back room staff in place immediately if there was going to be a shake up, not leave Downing and Keily for the players to moan to.
If Dean and Keith have 'saved us' and the players like him that suggests that a) the players were working hard for DK and KD and that they're b) dreadful at coaching. We weren't playing Mel's style and were dreadful, as had been the case for the majority of the time those two had influence on the team. Under Roy and Appleton Downing probably had no real control on how the team was set up and their influence has grown since.
As sad as I am to admit it, Odemwingie's comments about there being a 'mafia' at the club made up of old players and their mates the coaches may have a strong element of reality.
Sadly it does seem true!! He could still have acted professionally and not gone and done what he did.
But his words seem to hold a certain amount of truth made so much more clearer by recent events at the club.
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I am sorry but to come and manage WBA you need to be pretty desperate, the club has become a farce. Whoever it is will have to be a yes man to JP and have to accept having hands tied behind his back when it comes to player recruitment. On top of that you MUST work with Dean Kiely & Keith Downing who appear to have jobs for life at Albion.
Appleton, Downing, Phelan & Round will no doubt be considered for the reason i have listed above.
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I am sorry but to come and manage WBA you need to be pretty desperate
Come on down Dave Jones :P
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Sadly it does seem true!! He could still have acted professionally and not gone and done what he did.
But his words seem to hold a certain amount of truth made so much more clearer by recent events at the club.
True, but let's face it, we're all very angry and upset at how the club and it's staff are acting, can you imagine if we had to go and work amongst it when you're not involved in that group. Players like Anichebe I'd imagine aren't fazed because they're quiet characters. Odemwingie is an outspoken man, and ok he burnt some bridges and slated the club but he's not the kind guy who'd keep shtum if he felt he was victimised. I fear his statement about a toxic atmosphere is spot on - players recording Mel's team talks because they found them hilarious, Olsson swearing at Smethwick fans when criticised mid game, not clapping fans, racism, legal highs, wiping their arses with twenty pound notes, spitting at people. Odemwingie may have spotted this rotten core before we did and although not blameless, acting like a bellend, it's hard not to see it playing out.
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Racism?
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Experience for me so therefore bilic, warnock, Sven. At the end of the day downing runs the show and we need someone who can be respected to put their ideas across.
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Warnock?!
I suppose he'll want Alan Brazil as his number 2. ;)
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Tottenham Hotspur @SpursOfficial
The Club can announce that Tim Sherwood has left his coaching position at the Club.
I think he will be our next head coach...
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Racism?
Ermmmm... Nicholas Anelka?
Those who think Moyes would come here, let's face it he's left a job because players wouldn't respond to his coaching methods and were happy to be less than complimentary about those methods (he's not a bad manager by any account) then as soon as he leaves the players sing the praises of Giggs. Sound familiar?
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I am sorry but to come and manage WBA you need to be pretty desperate, the club has become a farce. Whoever it is will have to be a yes man to JP and have to accept having hands tied behind his back when it comes to player recruitment. On top of that you MUST work with Dean Kiely & Keith Downing who appear to have jobs for life at Albion.
You were advocating that we got rid of Pepe Mel as I recall?
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Tottenham Hotspur @SpursOfficial
The Club can announce that Tim Sherwood has left his coaching position at the Club.
I think he will be our next head coach...
I very sincerely hope not. Apart from all the other things that count against him, having to listen to a strong London accent emanating from our head coach is more than I can bear.
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Sherwood doesn't hold the required licences either I thought
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Ermmmm... Nicholas Anelka?
Thankyou, it had slipped my mind.
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- players recording Mel's team talks because they found them hilarious
Really?
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You are correct, I was not a fan of Mel as it was clear that the players had little respect for him. He appeared clueless at times, and we need a string figurehead who will sort the trash out. Will we get someone like that….of course not!!
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bit of realism needed i feel, were in a mess yes but to say no one would want the job is ridiculous certain people won't i agree but put it this way if you were in this business and was offered a job for 1.5/2 mil a year with a chance of being sacked and probably unless your really bad at it not being your fault and walikng away with compensation as well would you turn it down?
JP as took is eye of it and let people have to much power he knows that a TB coming in is the first part of putting it right, so who knows if it will be right no one we can only summise but to say this job is one no one wants is a falacy whether we like it or not
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Really?
Pete Colley for Sky Sports said a player had told him that. Chris Lepkowski also said he was going to a press conference with the Manager to a player and the player said 'give my regards to Keith'. The absolute lack of respect amongst those players is disgusting. The club told him to only speak to the media in Spanish too despite his protestations. I'd hazard a guess that was so they could pass off 'language barrier' as the reason players didn't get on board with him when they sacked him.
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Pete Colley for Sky Sports said a player had told him that. Chris Lepkowski also said he was going to a press conference with the Manager to a player and the player said 'give my regards to Keith'. The absolute lack of respect amongst those players is disgusting. The club told him to only speak to the media in Spanish too despite his protestations. I'd hazard a guess that was so they could pass off 'language barrier' as the reason players didn't get on board with him when they sacked him.
You're repeating something that someone else on here claimed to see on Sky Sports News but strangely no one else did, and it was never repeated, which is odd given Sky Sports News shows the same clips all day long.
I suspect, much like the Foster quote someone made up, that actually it never happened. Particularly as said person claimed it happened last game, and Mel's English is reasonable now.
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You're repeating something that someone else on here claimed to see on Sky Sports News but strangely no one else did, and it was never repeated, which is odd given Sky Sports News shows the same clips all day long.
I suspect, much like the Foster quote someone made up, that actually it never happened. Particularly as said person claimed it happened last game, and Mel's English is reasonable now.
It didn't claim anything. I just copied and pasted another post from another forum and said I hope this isn't true.
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No sir, it was on last night at around 7pm and I don't think it was repeated. I actually rewound the clip to make sure I'd heard it correctly and there was no doubt about it. Please don't doubt my honesty on this.
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I don't think he'll get the job because he is not from the type of mould that JP seems to prefer, but I am convinced Tim Sherwood could do a sterling job for us. He is no-one's yes man and he would certainly sort out the cliques that appear to be amongst the player ranks.
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You are correct, I was not a fan of Mel as it was clear that the players had little respect for him. He appeared clueless at times, and we need a string figurehead who will sort the trash out. Will we get someone like that….of course not!!
Exactly how is this "strong figurehead" going to sort out the "trash"? We have just seen that at the first sign of something they are not happy with half of the squad down tools and start briefing the press - as has happened up the M6 at Manchester United too). So the only answer is to find a yes man for the players - they seem to love Downing so give him the job!! Or just cut out the middle man and let the players who have been pretty close to a disgrace on numerous occasions this season run it as a co-operative - they obviously know better than anyone else!
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The betting market on the next Head Coach is still wide open. Malky Mackay still heads the list with most bookies, followed by Brian McDermott and Hughton.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom/next-permanent-manager.
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I don't think he'll get the job because he is not from the type of mould that JP seems to prefer, but I am convinced Tim Sherwood could do a sterling job for us. He is no-one's yes man and he would certainly sort out the cliques that appear to be amongst the player ranks.
The club needs a strong manager who commands respect, i'm not sure Sherwood does. He's a rent a quote who makes a lot of noises to the media but it seems he'd just get on the wrong side of too many people. There's a different between not being a yes man and just being awkward to get on with.
Not too mention he has no real footballing style and seems a school of manager who doesn't care much for the tactical side of things, something you can't get away with at a club like us who very few clubs are worse than us. Considering Spurs got hammered by most the teams better than them, that'd be a concern for us.
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How about Mcinnes with Appleton as his number 2?
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How about Mcinnes with Appleton as his number 2?
I would be happy with this arrangement.
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It puzzles me why during every managerial search, so many bring up McInnes. He's managing Aberdeen - they would struggle in the Championship. As fondly as we all remember him, he's not a top level manager.
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How about Mcinnes with Appleton as his number 2?
No thanks, just smacks of jobs for the boys to me. Don't forget that whoever comes in has to have Downing as his Number 2 (in more than one sense I would imagine!).
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While Bristol City does go against McInnes (although he kept them up against the odds in his first season) he is just the sort of strong character this squad need in all honesty , I'm pretty sure he would sort a few out if needed.
Hard to judge Scottish football but a Cup win (i think he got a managers award too) should be noted , I'm not sure on what type of football he uses but he is a winner . He would be in my top three choices and i wouldn't be surprised if he got it.
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You're repeating something that someone else on here claimed to see on Sky Sports News but strangely no one else did, and it was never repeated, which is odd given Sky Sports News shows the same clips all day long.
I suspect, much like the Foster quote someone made up, that actually it never happened. Particularly as said person claimed it happened last game, and Mel's English is reasonable now.
Plenty people saw it, as did I. So don't suggest that I've been dishonest with that when I have no reason to lie and others have seen it. He's even been asked about it since on Twitter.
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We got Mowbray from Scotland.....
McInnes would not be my first choice but I wouldn't rule him out
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Psalm Xxiii, thankyou for confirming what I saw and heard Colley say. I spent the evening fuming about it. It's correct that it wasn't repeated, or certainly the part he referred to as 'Pigeon Spanish', which I posted as 'Pigeon English' as his comment was gibberish.
At least I know now that my SKY Box is working and not just playing something in my house purely for me to see.
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No thanks, just smacks of jobs for the boys to me. Don't forget that whoever comes in has to have Downing as his Number 2 (in more than one sense I would imagine!).
the new man will bring in at least 1 of his own men and Downing will go back to the job he had with RH and SC, as in the background a bit more
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Some Aberdeen fans are worried McInnes will be heading our way. Others are pointing to Bristol City and claim that is enough to put us off.
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Psalm Xxiii, thankyou for confirming what I saw and heard Colley say. I spent the evening fuming about it. It's correct that it wasn't repeated, or certainly the part he referred to as 'Pigeon Spanish', which I posted as 'Pigeon English' as his comment was gibberish.
At least I know now that my SKY Box is working and not just playing something in my house purely for me to see.
That's ok. I've not taken it as gospel but it was definitely said on air. I see no reason Colley would lie about what a player had told him and CL has said players made flippant comments of a similar ilk so I'm inclined to believe him. Players seem to think their comments are throwaway because they'll be protected to keep them as a source. A player leaked the bust up too and with how happy they are to make comments to the media now it wouldn't surprise me if they leaked it to further fuel Mel's shortcomings in the media.
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Some Aberdeen fans are worried McInnes will be heading our way. Others are pointing to Bristol City and claim that is enough to put us off.
Personally like to see a bit more a gamble like McInnes rather than same old Hughton, Malky , Jones .
If it hadn't been for that poor second season at Bristol City after a good spell at St Johnstone added to his success at Aberdeen i think he would be right up there on the boards list.
Young , ambitious , will be keen to prove Brizzle was a one off , knows the club and our limits.
Would be close to getting the job for me.
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Personally like to see a bit more a gamble like McInnes rather than same old Hughton, Malky , Jones .
If it hadn't been for that poor second season at Bristol City after a good spell at St Johnstone added to his success at Aberdeen i think he would be right up there on the boards list.
Young , ambitious , will be keen to prove Brizzle was a one off , knows the club and our limits.
Would be close to getting the job for me.
I can't help but think McInnes represents one of our better options.
Most managers don't want to work within the clubs structure in the first place so that rules out a lot, whilst recent problems will surely make the job pretty unappealing, certainly to anyone who has a decent reputation. Which suggests really our only options will be people who need to repair their reputation - your Hughton's, or relatively inexperienced managers. Certainly not people like Schaaf who we were after in January.
He's got the kind of attitude you'd think the club needs. He did a similar job at Aberdeen last year with a massive restructuring job, and everything we know about him he wouldn't stand for cliques undermining him. Plus Peace actually likes him and presumably if there were real problems within the club, McInnes word would carry some weight.
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Mcinnes has a lengthy contract at Aberdeen so can't see us paying a compo package for him, will be out of work manager and there's plenty about.
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These group of players have proven they have a very poor attitude and need a right kick up the backside, but then they will probably go running to uncle Keith if someone comes in and upsets the precious *****. Their over inflated egos won't allow for a McInnes type that has no kind of reputation outside of Scotland.
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Why would anyone think McInnes or Jones could be even considered for the job both have failed miserably in the championship. McInnes was a good ex player at the club but at Bristol city a disaster, and Aberdeen Scottish football at best championship level. Brian Mc Dermont been mentioned ex Reading and at moment the Leeds manager hardly a expiring choice. If the club were thinking along that line Martin Jol another ex player who speaks perfect English has managed in the premiership at Spurs and Fulham on a limited budget would be a better fit for the club as if it looks like Downing is staying, Martin Jol would command the respect from players and management team left at the club and could work with the financial budget from the chairman. But whoever gets the job its important they get it right this time galvanize the fans and learn from the mistakes or we will sink faster than a battleship to the championship.
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Reckon it might be Sven this time round? Certainly fits the tried and tested mould which so many think we will go for this time.
Although he is currently employed, he was also employed (same Chinese club) when we almost offered him the role in January.
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David moyes for me, perfect job for him to get his nose back in the game aswell
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David moyes for me, perfect job for him to get his nose back in the game aswell
As much as I agree I think he would see us as below him now. He will be looking at jobs like Spurs or Newcastle when they come up, clubs with potential to go a little further if managed right. I just think we would struggle to convince anyone of his calibre to take the job although I did think the same about Hodgson at the time.
I've had a cheeky fiver on Zola, was interviewed last time and the type I think we could easily attract while being more likely to agree to work within our current structure.
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Re: David Moyes
We saw how many staff Moyes took with him to Old Trafford. David had a clean sweep of the coaching team there and bought in his own people.
I doubt he would come to us anyway even if we let him take complete control and provided him with a substantial transfer kitty.
The fact that David would have to work with Keith and Dean and would be given one coach, perhaps two with little say over transfers means he can be totally ruled out. Our reputation as a club is in tatters. The only Head Coach we will be employing is one who would walk to the ground for talks from wherever they are in the UK.
Those championing David Moyes as the next Head Coach are thinking we are something we are not and are coming across a bit dingle-esque.
We done very very well to be able to get Roy here I know, but he wanted to get himself in the frame for the England job. Lighting doesn't strike twice and IMO there is no way that Moyes will be our next Head Coach.
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After reading some of what our players behaved like under Mel part of me hopes we get a right horrible b*****d in who will give them hell and ship out the wasters over the next year or so, sadly we wont be able to get rid of them all at once but over the 3 x transfer windows i hope we ship out whoever is the power behind it all.
Reading Reids comments and also the players laughing at Mel's attempts at English in his teamtalks makes them sound like a bunch of school boys, bullys to a certain extent and its pathetic. I have no doubt there are more good than bad in our dressing room but sadly the bad ones usually have the influence.
I think they got too comfortable under Clarke and let him down, he was meant to be there mate and they got him sacked, then clearly didnt respect or give Mel a go and got him the sack too, thats why i would not object if for a season we had a Sir Gary Megson type, a disciplinarian who kicks their arses into touch, i would accept that now if it meant ridding the club of those culprits, sadly dont think it will happen.
Judging by the attitude problem i think our players will behave like idiots whoever gets it from the names banded about, they really seem to think they are something and have some sort of power, i would ask them to get their medal collections out for what they have achieved at top level football, there wouldnt be much there.
I think although us fans like Mcinnes and respect him, most our squad wouldnt have a clue who he is, Hughton seems a very nice bloke and i could see a Pepe Mel situation where the scumbags take the mick, Malky Mackay would fall possibly into the same catergory as Mcinnes, our players would probably question him as he only managed in the premiership for 4 x months. Sherwood i think would either be brilliant and as he has an ego the size of a planet himself he would either over power them and we become successful or there would be a lot of clashes. I have nothing against any of the above and wouldnt mind any of them being our manager (even Sherwood who i dont like!) its just how i think some of our players would see it, they seem to be quite picky who they bother to try and play for.
A Laudrup, Moyes or Jol type for me, experienced, respected and wouldnt take any rubbish from our divas (especially the latter two) and although i think Kiely and Downing are getting a lot of unfair stick, if they in the clique as some think, then if they have to go to make us better, then so be it.
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Reckon it might be Sven this time round? Certainly fits the tried and tested mould which so many think we will go for this time.
Although he is currently employed, he was also employed (same Chinese club) when we almost offered him the role in January.
Eriksson just chases the money nowadays, his heart doesn't seem into management at all. Which is a shame as he is actually a good, if conservative manager.
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Eriksson just chases the money nowadays, his heart doesn't seem into management at all. Which is a shame as he is actually a good, if conservative manager.
I agree, he's chased the money since his Man City days. However, money can't buy him a Premier League job and I reckon give him a standard PL wage and a chauffeur and he would be there. Not that I am championing him by the way!!
I originally voted for Schaaf but can't see that being a goer. Would be happy with McInnes and even Sherwood now. I called him an arrogant c*ck a few weeks ago, which he is but would love to see the fireworks with the 'professional' football players in the football department if he was given the role.
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I for one would be happy with Sherwood. He's had good form, and is a lot more promising than the likes of Hughton, McDermot etc.
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I said on another thread that I am warming to the idea of Sherwood, which is a complete U-Turn on my original view of the guy.
Tim seems to love the media and reckon he will be Redknapps long term media darling replacement.
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I for one would be happy with Sherwood. He's had good form, and is a lot more promising than the likes of Hughton, McDermot etc.
Just NO!
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Changed my mind. I am behind the Tim sherwood clan.
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I would be happy with this arrangement.
so would i give him a go /he,s a winner ,must have something about him people keep saying he;s only done well in scotland fair enough but even to go with his current cv few years back had st johstone turning over celtic and rangers who we all know have dominated for ever 8)
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Tim seems to love the media and reckon he will be Redknapps long term media darling replacement.
And is that what we want at our club?
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Changed my mind. I am behind the Tim sherwood clan.
Haha I have just thought the same thing, Laudrup is my first choice and Mcclaren if Derby dont go up but I think I would also be ok with Sherwood.
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And is that what we want at our club?
Not saying that, just stating what I think. I would rather have that sort of character than a Billy 'bully boy' Davies who bars all the local press.
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Steve Maclaren not on the list? :-[
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West Brom manager latest: Oscar Garcia in frame after Pepe Mel's messy exit
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/west-brom-manager-latest-oscar-garcia-in-frame-after-pepe-mels-messy-exit-9359513.html
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I agree, he's chased the money since his Man City days. However, money can't buy him a Premier League job and I reckon give him a standard PL wage and a chauffeur and he would be there. Not that I am championing him by the way!!
I originally voted for Schaaf but can't see that being a goer. Would be happy with McInnes and even Sherwood now. I called him an arrogant c*ck a few weeks ago, which he is but would love to see the fireworks with the 'professional' football players in the football department if he was given the role.
Didn't he tw@ one of his players after they lost 4-0?
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Still down in the mouth with the departure of PM but sh-t things happen.
I voted for Gary Neville be-course he comes across has a persons who understands the game inside out knows what it takes to play at the highest level, wouldn't stand by & let players rule the roost but most of all would demand 100% effort 100% of the time.
Please Please Please JP no old faces that have failed in the prem already.
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Two months ago I was told by a supposed ITK to put £10 on Dave Jones as our next manager - I told him where to go. But with the appointment of Burton I'm starting to think he may be right.
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Two months ago I was told by a supposed ITK to put £10 on Dave Jones as our next manager - I told him where to go. But with the appointment of Burton I'm starting to think he may be right.
Fits the criteria, cheap, out of work, cheap, a yes man. Sounds perfect for JP
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Its a really weird one. The list of people that fit our selection criteria and would consider working under JP must be ever shrinking.
I think if JP wants a cheap option he will go for McInnes. His association will appease the fans a little after the last few months. He has had some success. He'd know what he was letting himself in for. He might work well with KD and Keily.
I think if JP thinks about what's happened lately a bit harder then he'll realise that he needs to appoint someone that the players will respect, with some experience in the PL and an idea of how to get performances out of some fairly limited players. That's Martin Jol.
Before Clarke was appointed I wanted Laudrup to be the boss. However, I think that there is too much negative info following his spell at Swansea.
Personally, I'd like to see someone like Gary Neville or Paul Clement or maybe Eddie Howe given a go - if we are really looking for a coach who can change things and inspire people.
I would be really disappointed if it was Hughton, Jones, McKay, etc... they are all experienced yet have little (if any) success in the PL between them. Obviously not right for us. Don't think Rosler, McLaren, Dyche will leave their clubs whilst they are on the up. Don't think that we'll go for anyone who isn't English or with some relevant English experience, which takes care of Shaff, Pellegrio, etc. Moyes, no chance. Phelan, no thanks.
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Spurs sacked Sherwood so he's available free.
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Spurs sacked Sherwood so he's available free.
Go back to posts made several hours ago.
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All this talk of Scottish managers like Moyes, Mackay and McInnes but there is only one Scottish manager who can really sort this group out.
I present to you.......
Alan McNee
Poppycock!!!
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Cant see us going for a foriegn coach again! To easy for the players to say they cant understand him :P
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Cant see us going for a foriegn coach again! To easy for the players to say they cant understand him :P
Can't help but picture that sketch on Little Britain where the weight loss woman can't understand the Indian lady despite her speaking perfectly understandable English.
'You need tackle high up the pitch and no let opposition attack by sit deep. Ok?'
'Nope. Say it again Pepe.'
'Please learn to run after the ball and hard work.'
'Dont understand.'
'Put in some effort please?'
'No, going to need Keith.'
Useless a*seholes.
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Two months ago I was told by a supposed ITK to put £10 on Dave Jones as our next manager - I told him where to go. But with the appointment of Burton I'm starting to think he may be right.
burtons worked with him at Cardiff and Wednesday and apparently he will be involved in the recruitment process so jones might be a dark horse for the job, on the other hand Malkey put Burton on gardening leave at Cardiff so I'm thinking he won't be looking to get him involved.
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There is a George Graham quote somewhere. I'm paraphrasing but he said that at a new club have a look around the dressing room and remember that it is these *****s that cost the last man his job. Reading Reid's quotes for example it feels like we need a Megson type character in to look into the eyes of our playing squad.
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I'm starting to think that any of the candidates would be okay. What I don't like are the players. It's stating the obvious but if we don't recruit quality there's a serious chance we could go down, and if we went down to the Championship I don't credit half of this lot to show the skill and guts needed to get us back up.
FWIW I still think Moyes. I know there's this stuff about 'he's looking for a bigger club' but if the Albion are serious about doing their due diligence they simply must approach his agent. Nothing ventured nothing gained, and I'd like to think that phone call has already been made.
Then again, we are in the bizarro universe of JP so who knows.
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We do need someone that needs to put a bit of fear into our Squad,or at least someone they respect,like a good ex pro like Laudrap,but have a horrible feeling it will be a negative Manager that will come in.
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Really warming to the idea of Sherwood even though I stated before about not liking him! Seems the kinda guy we need! Ruffle some of the peacocks feathers
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It is reported that Terry Burton will be involved in the selection of the new Head Coach and yet he doesn't start his job until June 1. I hope he has an input before then or we could lose out on our main candidates.
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I guess June 1st isn't far away but agree that there should be a lot of work to do before then re hunting down the new manager.
Also there are several decisions to be made sooner rather than later regarding players futures....not to mention transfer targets.
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Fits the criteria, cheap, out of work, cheap, a yes man. Sounds perfect for JP
Ruled out by CL at least.
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If we are going to go for someone based on their coaching abilities what about Paul Clement?
http://www.thenational.ae/paul-clement-quietly-climbing-the-ladder
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Nigel Adkins anyone? I hear JP rates him highly.
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Lepko interviewed on Talksport on our vacancy. Worryingly didn't rule Downing out. Downing was put off by McDonough (SP) being around back in December/January hence why he was adamant he did not want the role originally. Now his position may have changed though.
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Lepko interviewed on Talksport on our vacancy. Worryingly didn't rule Downing out. Downing was put off by McDonough (SP) being around back in December/January hence why he was adamant he did not want the role originally. Now his position may have changed though.
What did he say about other possibles ?
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What did he say about other possibles ?
Ruled Jones out and Sherwood. Also spoke about RDM and said that players reported him to the board for not being hands on. Compared Clarke and Mels seasons and said they were very similar. That is all I caught of it really to be honest, missed the first bit.
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So players have a history of getting the manager the sack
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Ruled Jones out and Sherwood. Also spoke about RDM and said that players reported him to the board for not being hands on. Compared Clarke and Mels seasons and said they were very similar. That is all I caught of it really to be honest, missed the first bit.
Reported him to the board for not being hands on? Are you kidding me? He's head coach. The name even suggests that aside from training sessions and the game, they're in charge of other coaches who then train the players. How petty to report him. There's different managerial styles out there and they don't like any of them.
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nigel adkins seems appealing from a poor list. very harshly sacked from Southampton and he as managed at all levels so im sure he would soon notice any cliques in the dressing room.
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nigel adkins seems appealing from a poor list. very harshly sacked from Southampton and he as managed at all levels so im sure he would soon notice any cliques in the dressing room.
Have a lot of respect for Adkins too,we could do worse I guess.
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Steve Clarke: did a decent job at a team called West Brom until he was sacked.
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Reported him to the board for not being hands on? Are you kidding me? He's head coach. The name even suggests that aside from training sessions and the game, they're in charge of other coaches who then train the players. How petty to report him. There's different managerial styles out there and they don't like any of them.
If it makes you feel better, I remember Chelsea were having similar complaints from players.
RDM is very aloof of the team and not very approachable, making it difficult to learn his way as obviously his assistants (Eddie Newton at this time) had their own ideas that would, consciously or not, change the way they played to Robbie's original plan, In a way he'd tell the no 2 to teach "something", no2 teaches it but with subtle changes that he thinks are right (stuff like "a bit to the left" or "mark a little closer"), RDM see's them play, says their wrong but doesn't say what he wants and the cycle continues.
Kinda like Mel, The whole reason Mcdonough was telling the players what to do was because he was "interpreting" what Mel wanted.
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Ruled Jones out and Sherwood. Also spoke about RDM and said that players reported him to the board for not being hands on. Compared Clarke and Mels seasons and said they were very similar. That is all I caught of it really to be honest, missed the first bit.
Why rule Sherwood out?! He has a bit of a growing support on twitter
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Why rule Sherwood out?! He has a bit of a growing support on twitter
CL has said he is too outspoken and is one of those characters that wouldn't get on with JP. Also pointed out that JP has never appointed anyone of a fiery nature.
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If it makes you feel better, I remember Chelsea were having similar complaints from players.
RDM is very aloof of the team and not very approachable, making it difficult to learn his way as obviously his assistants (Eddie Newton at this time) had their own ideas that would, consciously or not, change the way they played to Robbie's original plan, In a way he'd tell the no 2 to teach "something", no2 teaches it but with subtle changes that he thinks are right (stuff like "a bit to the left" or "mark a little closer"), RDM see's them play, says their wrong but doesn't say what he wants and the cycle continues.
Kinda like Mel, The whole reason Mcdonough was telling the players what to do was because he was "interpreting" what Mel wanted.
Also got to wonder why RDM has not been approached since his Chelsea sacking. Still getting paid from what I can gather but if he was that good someone would have taken a punt. I'm sure Chelsea would give any move their blessing just to get him off the payroll.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-boss-tim-sherwood-sacked-3536722
Considering the Spurs players reportedly went to the board and demanded Sherwood was sacked or they'd leave, I really, really don't think he's what we need.
A strong coach yes, but you can be strong without upsetting everybody along the way as Sherwood seemed to do. It's pretty naive to go out slagging off your employer and players in public too, there's only one way that's going to end.
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If it makes you feel better, I remember Chelsea were having similar complaints from players.
RDM is very aloof of the team and not very approachable, making it difficult to learn his way as obviously his assistants (Eddie Newton at this time) had their own ideas that would, consciously or not, change the way they played to Robbie's original plan, In a way he'd tell the no 2 to teach "something", no2 teaches it but with subtle changes that he thinks are right (stuff like "a bit to the left" or "mark a little closer"), RDM see's them play, says their wrong but doesn't say what he wants and the cycle continues.
Kinda like Mel, The whole reason Mcdonough was telling the players what to do was because he was "interpreting" what Mel wanted.
this wouldn't be the same chelsea players who saw themselves as being bigger than scolari, villas boas etc - different club same problem in my opinion. Players think they are more important than the club
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Has to be someone playing expansive attractive football. I remember being very impressed by Swansea coming to the Albion under Laudrup. Also, Frank de Boer or Ronald Koeman, who are both free now, are very successful coaches playing attractive football, but expect they want a club playing in European cups. They would suit JP as they prefer developing the youth rather than big transfer fees.
I'm not sure about any of the British candidates. Sherwood is still learning, but he has a decent record and plays attractive football.
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Also got to wonder why RDM has not been approached since his Chelsea sacking. Still getting paid from what I can gather but if he was that good someone would have taken a punt. I'm sure Chelsea would give any move their blessing just to get him off the payroll.
He's picking up £130k a week for not working. Why on earth would he give that up?
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Anyone considered a player-manager, someone like, say, Luiz Suarez?!
Ok, a daft idea and a bit of a joke, but this is my first post on the Forum, and in deepest west Cornwall I'm not completely au fait with all the latest shenanigans going on around B74 (the media down here just tend to focus on Truro City!).
But seriously, I do remember us doing rather well with Jonny Giles as player-manager...
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Anyone considered a player-manager, someone like, say, Luiz Suarez?!
Ok, a daft idea and a bit of a joke, but this is my first post on the Forum, and in deepest west Cornwall I'm not completely au fait with all the latest shenanigans going on around B74 (the media down here just tend to focus on Truro City!).
No kidding; B74 is Sutton Coldfield ;)
The era of player-managers seemed to grind to a bit of a halt in the Nineties, and I think in top flight football particularly these days you need someone able to watch from the sidelines and see the bigger tactical picture. Plus our last player-manager was Brian Talbot, and that one didn't go as well as Giles ;D
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That worries me that CL refused to rule out Downing. I'm sure the players would love that appointment. We need someone with experience now.
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First let me say I am completely OOTK ( out of the know)
Based on the list of candidates we compiled and my hugely scientific ;) reasons:
got it good where he is
wants to spend big money
no premier experience
too outspoken
dream on if we can get him
will upset JP
Poor premier record
I could only come up with the following survivors....
Jol
McDermott
McIness
Downing
Phelan
and I'll throw in Wilkins and Adkins
Long shots would be McCarthy,Zola, Rosler,Garcia
I don't see us attracting European managers after the Pepe debacle and our spending habits or lack thereof will deter most of the remainder. I'm sure we could argue others could be eliminated for similar reasons but I started looking in the cupboard and it was getting low on candidates.
Can't wait for this to be over!!!
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Silly me of course theres Appleton, Mowbray and RDM :o
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Tony Popovic for me, has done wonders at Western Sydney Wanderers. Also, 6' 4" a giant of a man with a temperement to suit. Heard he's heading over there for discussions possibly at Norwich. Hope he pops into the Hawthorns for a looksy.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-boss-tim-sherwood-sacked-3536722
Considering the Spurs players reportedly went to the board and demanded Sherwood was sacked or they'd leave, I really, really don't think he's what we need.
A strong coach yes, but you can be strong without upsetting everybody along the way as Sherwood seemed to do. It's pretty naive to go out slagging off your employer and players in public too, there's only one way that's going to end.
I was warming to a Sherwood appointment until I read this Mirror story. Now, I think we should forget such an appointment and look to someone of the ilk of Adkins, McClaren or Clement.
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Tony Popovic for me, has done wonders at Western Sydney Wanderers. Also, 6' 4" a giant of a man with a temperement to suit. Heard he's heading over there for discussions possibly at Norwich. Hope he pops into the Hawthorns for a looksy.
Can't see it happening at the baggies but a good shout he will do well cutting his teeth in the championship. Tough bloke and good manager.
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Steve Clarke: did a decent job at a team called West Brom until he was sacked.
Laugh out loud
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After hearing Lepkowski on Talksport last night I'm more convinced than ever that it will be Keith Downing. I think he'd be keen on the role now and he'd be the players choice. No one else will touch us with a barge pole.
I also agree with CL that it's very unlikely we'll appoint a foreign coach this time round. I've put money on Downing to ease the pain when he's appointed.
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After hearing Lepkowski on Talksport last night I'm more convinced than ever that it will be Keith Downing. I think he'd be keen on the role now and he'd be the players choice. No one else will touch us with a barge pole.
I also agree with CL that it's very unlikely we'll appoint a foreign coach this time round. I've put money on Downing to ease the pain when he's appointed.
If that's the case, not even God can help us.
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After hearing Lepkowski on Talksport last night I'm more convinced than ever that it will be Keith Downing. I think he'd be keen on the role now and he'd be the players choice. No one else will touch us with a barge pole.
I also agree with CL that it's very unlikely we'll appoint a foreign coach this time round. I've put money on Downing to ease the pain when he's appointed.
Surely he'd already be in by now if that was the case?!
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Surely he'd already be in by now if that was the case?!
Maybe we will do the usual five weeks off faffing only to appoint Downing therafter claiming he was always number one choice of the board.
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I really hope its not Keith Downing and the club show a bit more ambition to get someone with experience at this level. I would be very very worried about next season if he does get the job.
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I really hope its not Keith Downing and the club show a bit more ambition to get someone with experience at this level. I would be very very worried about next season if he does get the job.
I would be more than worried if Downing were appointed. However i am clinging to the same - possibly delusional - hope that i am about the possible appointment of Dave Jones. And that is that even JP would not be that daft. For one thing Jp is not a stupid man (although some of the decisions he has presided over in the last 12 months are disguising that rather well) - and whilst there is generally a shocking contempt shown for the supporters by the cub which is worse now than at any time in my 40 odd years as a supporter - JP must know that an incendiary appointment like Jones or appointing someone at the heart of the shocking events of the past 18 months would be just bonkers. If nothing else it would would reduce the value of his "investment"
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Quick poll......
Dave Jones or Keith Downing? ???
Would have to be Dave for me.
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Quick poll......
Dave Jones or Keith Downing? ???
Would have to be Dave for me.
Is there a 'throw yourself off a bridge' option?
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Quick poll......
Dave Jones or Keith Downing? ???
Would have to be Dave for me.
Don't know why, instantly thought of the Eddie Izzard line, 'Cake or Death?'
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Is there a 'throw yourself off a bridge' option?
Haha!!!! Yes I'd take that one.
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Is there a 'throw yourself off a bridge' option?
cant answer that question! its like asking if you want to be shot or hanged!
and stop depressing me...am clinging to the hope that even JP wont do either of those barking mad things
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whoever gets appointed i have two pieces of advice -
dont bother doing too much unpacking and watch the door does not hit you on the backside on your way out!!
oh dear i am becoming more cynical by the day!!!
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whoever gets appointed i have two pieces of advice -
dont bother doing too much unpacking and watch the door does not hit you on the backside on your way out!!
oh dear i am becoming more cynical by the day!!!
Good sound advice for any Albion Head Coach/Manager.
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Don't know why, instantly thought of the Eddie Izzard line, 'Cake or Death?'
Death please errr no cake!! ;D
I hope its not Downing and I pray its not Jones
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One name not mentioned too much ...
Ryan Giggs.
Unlikely to feature under Van at Utd. Could bring in one coach (Scholes, Butt, Phelan etc)
Likes attacking football which we are desperately crying out for.
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Quick poll......
Dave Jones or Keith Downing? ???
Would have to be Dave for me.
Sorry but that's like asking me if I want a dog poo sandwich or a glass of cat's wee. :o
Alongside getting in a golascorer, this is the single most important signing the Club will make this summer.
There are more inspiring managers out there at the moment.
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Sorry but that's like asking me if I want a dog poo sandwich or a glass of cat's wee. :o
Alongside getting in a golascorer, this is the single most important signing the Club will make this summer.
There are more inspiring managers out there at the moment.
I'm struggling to think of any less inspiring.
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Sam Allardyce.
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Sam Allardyce.
Good point well made.
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Remi Garde has just left Lyon, did he work with Terry Burton at Arsenal?
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Solid but uninspiring: Chris Hughton, Malky Mackay, Martin Jol, Brian McDermott, Sam Allardyce, Neil Lennon
Relly uninspiring: Alan Curbishley, David Jones, Sven Goran Eriksson
Too Inexperienced/Unproven: Keith Downing, Tim Sherwood, Derek McInnes, Ryan Giggs, Gianfranco Zola, Paul Clement, Mike Phelan, Gary Neville, Uwe Rosler, Mauricio Pellegrino, Paolo Di Canio
Current poll leader: David Moyes - no chance!
My shortlist:
1) Michael Laudrup
2) Thomas Schaaf
3) Quique Flores
4) Tony Pulis
5) José Luis Mendilibar
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I would like Sherwood - Bale had good things to say about him (namely he got him in the team) and wanted him manager instead of Redknapp and has a good record.
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Mike Phelan - If you believe him he ran Man Utd's training, tactics and selection for the last 5 seasons. Don't see any other Premier League winning managers/coaches coming here.
But it will be Jones - he's been ruled out by CL so is a dead cert!!
Praying it's not Downing!
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I hope we get another Spanish manager!
I don't want to throw away my Spanish flag, cost me three quid!!!
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Mike phealan is a good shout after what I heard about him
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Mike phealan is a good shout after what I heard about him
What have you heard about him?
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If Burton wants to keep his job for a while which is what a club needs from a technical director, it would be risky appointing Dave Jones.
Given Burton's strong links with him its inevitable it would be viewed as his appointment......and if things went wrong it wouldn't be the best of starts for Burton.
Lets face it Jones failed badly at Sheff Weds - it would be a nonsensical appointment...we'd be better off looking at Stuart Gray who's taken over.
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Being realistic here, with all the free agents about there's little or no chance we will approach someone managing another club or working in the media at the moment. Add in the fact that they will have to speak good English, have experience of the Premier League and fit into our structure. Leaves you with following possibilities ...
Laudrup, Jol, Moyes, Phelan, Hughton, Mackay, Zola, Sherwood, Downing & Jones.
You may be able to add Petrescu & Prosinecki to that list, depending on their English.
Surely from this list a shortlist to improve us next year should include:
1) Laudrup
2) Jol
3) Phelan
4) Prosinecki (English dependant)
5) Moyes OR Petrescu (dependant on interest)
2 we should not consider at all are Downing or Jones. Theres only one way that will end. :'(
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I would take Sherwood or Laudrup but do not under any circumstances appoint anyone currently at the club, they all have to take their share of the blame for the car crash that was last season
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By the looks of the article on Express and Star, alot of the 'senior' players want Downing.
I think they only way this club will get rid of Downing and Kiely as coaches will be if they have the job full time and fail at it, which would probably lead to relegation.
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Obviously it wont be anyone that wants to play football :(Good Luck to the bloke who has just left us and wants to play football how it should be played
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Obviously it wont be anyone that wants to play football :(Good Luck to the bloke who has just left us and wants to play football how it should be played
My sentiments too. I'm really not excited by the prospect of going backwards to safety first (odd expression for a system that had us in a downward spiral since December 2012).
And as you say, good luck Pepe, a man on integrity and honour.
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By the looks of the article on Express and Star, alot of the 'senior' players want Downing.
Seems as good a reason not to appoint him then.
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I hope we get another Spanish manager!
I don't want to throw away my Spanish flag, cost me three quid!!!
Pep Guardiola.
Vincente Del Bosque.
Naranjito.
;)
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I voted for Moyes because I'm an optimistic sort (even for all matters Albion!). But aside from the "Chosen One" I think Martin Jol, re-energised from a shmoke and a pancake, would be a fantastic appointment purely because of his experience and Premier League success as a manager (oh, and he speaks English ???)
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Yes
Moyes - Not as convinced as some he is out of our reach. Spurs wont go for him, Newcastle might but looks like Pardew could stay. Southampton would be available if Pochetino goes to Spurs, but I think they have already hit a glass ceiling and I'm not sure he is the type of manager they would go for. Similar situation to Hodgson and look how that worked out. Won't need money as has a huge pay off from Utd and I think we would pay a bit extra to attract someone like him after seeing what Hodgson did for us. People say JP is tight but if he thinks and extra £1m for a manager will keep us up I have no doubt he will pay it. I dont think this is a certainty but I certainly think its possible.
Satisfied/Meh
Flores
Jol
Intriguing
Rossler
Howe
AN Other foreigner
No
Hughton
Mackay
Sherwood (no chance in my opinion JP will appoint someone like him)
Mcdermott
McInnes (love the guy but if he didnt play for us he wouldnt be in the top 50 for the job and that's no reason to appoint someone - see Robson for how that works out)
Zola
Curbishley
God No
Downing - We would go down
Kill me
Allerdyce
Lennon
Pretty depressing list of names out there bar Moyes and a couple of punts. Pay no attention to the bookies lists at this stage. Same names were the favourites last time and got nowhere near the job and history suggests it wont be a typical name like Jones, Curbishley, Mackay, Hughton etc
I have a hunch it will be Moyes. 11th, 10th and 8th, then 17th in our last 4 years. Potential to get back to 10th next season and with players leaving will have a chance to bring a few of his own in. Take us from 17th to 11th/9th next year it looks like he has done a great job and his reputation is restored. Take Southampton from 8th to 11th and hes failed again.
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I voted for Moyes because I'm an optimistic sort (even for all matters Albion!). But aside from the "Chosen One" I think Martin Jol, re-energised from a shmoke and a pancake, would be a fantastic appointment purely because of his experience and Premier League success as a manager (oh, and he speaks English ???)
I would like either of these two. I spite of what has happened recently, I don't think the majority of our players need reining in as such (I think this "rotten to the core" thing has been overstated partly because they couldn't be bothered after we were safe - on-one was using the word "rotten" after West Ham). But I do think they need someone with a proper track record and a bit of "weight" to reinstate the boundaries, so these two fit the bill.
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Yep, I'm hoping we go for Moyes, gives him a chance to rebuild his reputation at a club where if he finishes above 15th will be an achievment.
The only stumbling block will be David Moyes. He may not see us as a big enough fish and there was talk of him wanting to manage in Germany.
Sherwood will never be appointed, too much of a loose canon and not the amiable character that Peace will be after.
I'd take any of the following, Rossler, McClaren, Jol.
The club needs to put a smile back on its face, they have started well by appointing Burton, please dont score an own goal by appointing somebody that the fans will have a downer on from the off.
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CL has tweeted saying there has been more then 50 applicants for the job in the past 2 days...and he said the Albion job isn't attractive anymore last night :D
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Personally, I want Moyes, As last time i felt a manager suited us was when Hodgson got sacked by Liverpool and was over the moon we got him, But i feel Moyes might be looking for a bigger club and budget. Other than that i really don't know who is best suited.
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CL has tweeted saying there has been more then 50 applicants for the job in the past 2 days...and he said the Albion job isn't attractive anymore last night :D
Well that all depends on who's applied doesn't it?! ;D
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CL has tweeted saying there has been more then 50 applicants for the job in the past 2 days...and he said the Albion job isn't attractive anymore last night :D
49 .. I've withdrawn mine ;)
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If downing got the job we would only be going in one direction and it isnt up. Your likes of ridgewell,reid,morrison etc would all stay. It would be like one big downing clique. Wouldnt be good at all. I think that would be the 2nd worst outcome behind dave jones coming in.
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If downing got the job we would only be going in one direction and it isnt up. Your likes of ridgewell,reid,morrison etc would all stay. It would be like one big downing clique. Wouldnt be good at all. I think that would be the 2nd worst outcome behind dave jones coming in.
step back with drowning, need someone with fresh ideas, hopefully burton will have a good idea.
Just walked the dog having a think about it, would Pulis have seen us rise up the league if we took him on back in Jan? The palace chairman signed 8 players in Jan, doubt he would have got that support from JP.
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Personally, I want Moyes, As last time i felt a manager suited us was when Hodgson got sacked by Liverpool and was over the moon we got him, But i feel Moyes might be looking for a bigger club and budget. Other than that i really don't know who is best suited.
That's been my reasoning all along as regards the person we need.
But as for looking for a big club and big budget, the Albion don't pale at all in comparison to other Prem clubs who might be interested in him.
Newcastle: Yes a 'bigger' club perhaps, but there's no chance he'd have squillions to splash there, and there's no sign Pardew's off...yet.
Soton: Too far from Moyes's home. Wouldn't call them a 'bigger' club than Albion.
West Ham: "Bigger" then Albion maybe, but it's a bit of a poisoned chalice and too far from his home base.
Spurs: size and budget they outgun the Albion, and rumours linked him there prior to him landing the Utd job, but I dare say they'll be looking for a flash Continental coach again.
We could be a great fit for him. He's got a reputation to recapture, we've got lost ground to make up for. He did a very similar 'reboot' job at Everton to what'd be needed at the Hawthorns.
It's simply not pie in the sky to think we could get him. It's a realistic opportunity which the club have to explore.
I could only realistically see us losing out if he decided he wants a longer rest, if Spurs come calling or if, as others have said, he wants to try his hand abroad.
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That's been my reasoning all along as regards the person we need.
But as for looking for a big club and big budget, the Albion don't pale at all in comparison to other Prem clubs who might be interested in him.
Newcastle: Yes a 'bigger' club perhaps, but there's no chance he'd have squillions to splash there, and there's no sign Pardew's off...yet.
Soton: Too far from Moyes's home. Wouldn't call them a 'bigger' club than Albion.
West Ham: "Bigger" then Albion maybe, but it's a bit of a poisoned chalice and too far from his home base.
Spurs: size and budget they outgun the Albion, and rumours linked him there prior to him landing the Utd job, but I dare say they'll be looking for a flash Continental coach again.
We could be a great fit for him. He's got a reputation to recapture, we've got lost ground to make up for. He did a very similar 'reboot' job at Everton to what'd be needed at the Hawthorns.
It's simply not pie in the sky to think we could get him. It's a realistic opportunity which the club have to explore.
I could only realistically see us losing out if he decided he wants a longer rest, if Spurs come calling or if, as others have said, he wants to try his hand abroad.
.... and ours isn't?
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According to CL and Tom Ross some of the applicants are of "very good quality" I'd love to see that list of names.
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If Spurs or Newcastle go for him I cant see him coming to us but looking at his possible destinations
Spurs - Wont be in for him
Newcastle - Looks like Pardew will stay
Southampton - Selling there best 2 players this summer, question marks about the owners interest, in a lot of debt (clutching a bit here) but mainly because they can't really progress higher or have a better season than they just have. Would Moyes want to go somewhere in his current position where the best he can do is match the previous guy?
West Ham - Fickle fans could get on his back early, and put more pressure on him. However will spend silly money on players if he wants, London club with (ridiculously) big media profile which will keep him in the spotlight, moving to a new 60k seater stadium. IF Allerdyce does go then I can see him here
Villa - If Lambert goes then this is another option. I would expect them to be in for him, especially if they get a new owner with money to spend.
So basically if Allerdyce or Lambert go and they both want him (which I would imagine they would) I dont give us much more than 5% chance of landing him. However theres no guarantee either of them will get the sack and as it stands I think we are his best option.
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Michael Appleton has to be good value at 67/1 and 101/1.
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I highly doubt Moyes would want to move here. Hodgson wasn't as high profile as Moyes is and had the mitigating factor that he wanted the England job and his only chance was to jump straight back into management and do well.
Moyes can and almost certainly will wait for a good job to become available.
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if downing gets the job we will go down , simple as that !
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I voted for Sherwood, but I don't see it happening as he wouldn't fit in with Peace! I would be delighted with Moyes, but I don't see it happening. Failing one of these 2, I'd settle for anyone other than Downing or Jones!
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I haven't seen it corroborated elsewhere, but a Sky reporter earlier said that we were only looking for someone who isn't currently in a job. It would fit in with the Chairman's ethos of course if it is the case.
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I haven't seen it corroborated elsewhere, but a Sky reporter earlier said that we were only looking for someone who isn't currently in a job. It would fit in with the Chairman's ethos of course if it is the case.
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We will definitely go for someone who isn't currently in a job! Peace isn't going to pay compensation when there are so many freebies around!!
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We will definitely go for someone who isn't currently in a job!
Hopefully that will rule out Downing then! ;D
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step back with drowning, need someone with fresh ideas, hopefully burton will have a good idea.
Just walked the dog having a think about it, would Pulis have seen us rise up the league if we took him on back in Jan? The palace chairman signed 8 players in Jan, doubt he would have got that support from JP.
I'm pretty sure that Pulis would have improved us considerably without any backing. Our squad is arguably still stronger than Palace's even with their Jan addition. He'd have got a lot more out of our lazy lot and tightened us up at the back. This type of manager is our only hope without a massive overhaul of the playing staff. Moyes is the one we should be pulling up trees to recruit IMO.
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I hope we get another Spanish manager!
I don't want to throw away my Spanish flag, cost me three quid!!!
Nor me I blogged my flag of jack Russell in a swansea pub, sentimental value now !!
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So its going to take a possible 6 weeks to announce the new head coach.Not sure if this is good or bad
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So its going to take a possible 6 weeks to announce the new head coach.Not sure if this is good or bad
Needs to be in place 2 weeks before the start of pre-season IMOP so that is 5 weeks? Any later it will mess the clear out up and delay incomings plus we could lose some potential new players.
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I haven't seen it corroborated elsewhere, but a Sky reporter earlier said that we were only looking for someone who isn't currently in a job. It would fit in with the Chairman's ethos of course if it is the case.
Which translates to "This is total and utter speculation, I haven't the faintest."
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So after the club fired Mel the situation for our new manager will be:
1. Arbitrary management by the board
2. Rotten squad that is ready to back stab the new manager
3. Complacent players
4. Fans wanting positive football.
5. Limited squad quickly going stale
6. Disgruntled fans disillusioned with management and players
7. No money to improve the squad "unless the manager sells first"
8. Selling is not an option because we don't have anyone to sell
9. A chairman notoriously difficult to work with
So, guess what kind of head coach we will get. Forget any 'name' with ambitions. This club will not choose it's new head coach. After the Pepe Mel fiasco we will end up with someone. Whoever we end up with will no doubt by default be the "first choice candidate".
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I see our potential new head coach is on the panel for the Europa final ITV4 :)
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I think JP will wait until after the World Cup, England will get knocked out early and typical media will call for Roy to be sacked and he will come back to the Albion. :D
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I think JP will wait until after the World Cup, England will get knocked out early and typical media will call for Roy to be sacked and he will come back to the Albion. :D
Cant afford to wait until mid July.England will win the world cup :P
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Well if David Moyes was appointed our new head coach it will be the 1st time that a fans choice has been appointed since god knows when. Just hope we dont get a coach of the old prem roundabout, Young fresh & hungry
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It's been reported on WM and E&S website the appointment could take for 4 to 6 weeks!! Jesus!
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I can still see absolutely no reason why David Moyes would want to come to us. He needs his next job to be successful, so will want to go to a club that has some ambition and where he isn't expected to work with one arm tied behind his back.
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Glen Hoddle is the new favourite according to more than one bookie tonight. See Oddschecker.com
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Glen Hoddle is the new favourite according to one bookie tonight. See Oddschecker.
A man that wants to play football the Pepe Way.You know what i would not be too down about that
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A man that wants to play football the Pepe Way.You know what i would not be too down about that
Thing is, I'm Disabled and have a MAJOR problem with the guy
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It's been reported on WM and E&S website the appointment could take for 4 to 6 weeks!! Jesus!
Pre-season will mostly already be planned out so that won't be much of an issue and I would rather take time to get the right man than rush into it. Obviously the earlier it gets done the better though as there is plenty of work to do with this squad.
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Terry Burton will have a big role to play before and after.Hopefully by the time the new head coach is announced The likes of Billy are on the way to being sorted for the better
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A man that wants to play football the Pepe Way.You know what i would not be too down about that
Ask the Wolves fans what they think of Glenn Hoddle. That will tell you everything you need to know.
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Ask the Wolves fans what they think of Glenn Hoddle. That will tell you everything you need to know.
a bit like asking the Norwich fans about Chris Hughton i suppose :)
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Glen Hoddle is the new favourite according to more than one bookie tonight. See Oddschecker.com
The bookies havent got a single bit of a clue on this one, No bookie has a clue, follow betfair first of all on the odds,
I could change manager odds with a tiny bit of money on any of the sites no problem
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Ask the Wolves fans what they think of Glenn Hoddle. That will tell you everything you need to know.
You could ask Liverpool fans what they thought of Roy Hodgson.
Sometimes managers and clubs are a bad fit, sometimes they fit like hand and glove.
To be fair if you look at Wolves as a club and Hoddle and their footballing philosophies they couldn't be much more different. That was always going to be a marriage made in hell.
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The bookies havent got a single bit of a clue on this one,
True. They never have when it comes to our managerial appointments.
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So its going to take a possible 6 weeks to announce the new head coach.Not sure if this is good or bad
Good in my opinion. I would rather they do their homework and get this one right.
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we must have known at least 3 weeks ago pepe wasn't staying and we were also safe. when you consider the new head coach would also like some say in the signings of new players it is total negligence by peace and his cohorts to even think about taking that long. afterall we done this 6 months ago!! simple look at our prime targets, makay,moyes,sherwood,hughton. approach them to see who is interested then appoint the best candidate to fit into our structure. my god its not rocket science.
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Hoddle wouldn't be the worst option. Likes to play football the right way, did a decent job for England and got sacked for non-footballing reasons, and certainly knows the game. Is very hungry to get back into management and so is likely to accept the club structure.
Has a huge ego but it may have reduced through passage of time out of work. Has he been out of it too long? That might be a valid question.
As for his time at Wolves? Every manager fails at some stage. Most learn from their negative experiences. Besides, you can't polish a turd!
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I try not to be negative about potential recruits before they even cross the threshold but Hoddle has not managed anybody since his somewhat inglorious reign at the Custard Bowl ended in 2006. He claims to have many realistic offers since but he also made claims about Eileen Drewery's healing powers, there is a reason why he has not had a management job since and it is not because he is just a little bit misunderstood.
I am perplexed as to why some posters think Moyes is a realistic prospect. I see the parallels between him and Hodgson but the key difference was Hodgson wanted the England job and had to get himself back in the shop window to give himself a shot at it. There is no such imperative for Moyes, who looked spent by the end of stint at Man United and given his reputation from his Everton days he can afford to take a break and wait for something better to come along.
I think we need to get this appointment right and whilst I don't think we will ever keep a Coach for more than a few years it is important that we get this appointment right and whoever it is gets the time to lay down a real style of play which we can build on in the Swansea did with Martinez.
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"Liverpool's Brendan Rodgers prepared to offload players who have failed to make impression" (quote from today's Guardian).
That's how you improve your team and squad. Players that don't cut it get moved on, not kept on the books because they are difficult to move on. Or rather, they are not difficult to move on, but the difficulty is to try and make some sucker pay over the odds for a player who hasn't impressed. And when nobody pays over the odds, why the club ends up NOT moving the failed player on. Subsequently there is no improvement of the team and squad. Duh.
We can play change the head coach forever but until we have a functional squad it won't matter. Put a decent squad in place and I'm sure a lot of people could do a decent job. Since we lost our cutting edge we have had a championship team. If we want to survive in the Prem we need a Prem level team. No head coach can keep a Championship level team in the Prem forever.
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I voted Oscar Garcia but I think he will go to Spurs.
Uwe Rosler and Michael laudrup and Sherwood would all be fine for me (plus I think we could get them)
No way Roy is coming back - hes reached the pinnacle and will retirre when the Eng job finishes
Moyes would not come here and I dont really see why we would want him.
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Can someone name a potential candidate with a philosophy of good defending, creative midfield and attacking awareness.
If you can narrow it down to those basics then you could advise JP where to start looking.
We need someone who has b*lls to stand up to the team and a great coaching instinct. Not many of those around.
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Put it this way! It wont be someone who wants to play open attractive, attacking football as the players cant ,wont play it.
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"Liverpool's Brendan Rodgers prepared to offload players who have failed to make impression" (quote from today's Guardian).
That's how you improve your team and squad. Players that don't cut it get moved on, not kept on the books because they are difficult to move on. Or rather, they are not difficult to move on, but the difficulty is to try and make some sucker pay over the odds for a player who hasn't impressed. And when nobody pays over the odds, why the club ends up NOT moving the failed player on. Subsequently there is no improvement of the team and squad. Duh.
We can play change the head coach forever but until we have a functional squad it won't matter. Put a decent squad in place and I'm sure a lot of people could do a decent job. Since we lost our cutting edge we have had a championship team. If we want to survive in the Prem we need a Prem level team. No head coach can keep a Championship level team in the Prem forever.
Spot on. The current crop of players which the majority of the squad are made up of have been here 3+ years and when drilled well under Roy really over achieved. That's what Hodgson does, takes average teams and makes them hard to beat. Since then we've made no permanent improvements and actually lost plates that improved the squad. We need a ruthless squad assessment every post season.
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Good in my opinion. I would rather they do their homework and get this one right.
its shocking and its hopeless. it is utterly inconceivable that the decision to part company with Pepe Mel was not made several weeks ago and most of us - whilst not liking it - could see the writing on that particular wall way back. The board had the opportunity to back Mel but essentially hung him out to dry. In that case presumably the search for a new manager should have been under way - so what we are saying is that its going to take us three months to find our man. I seem to recall JP being lauded for having someone in place when he sacked RDM - thats looking more like luck than judgement right now!
oh and if all the decisions on players are being made by Mr Burton why not give him the job....oh i know its the players who are managing the team!!
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The board are clearly hoping for an early exit from the World Cup for England so they can tempt Uncle Roy back.
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Put it this way! It wont be someone who wants to play open attractive, attacking football as the players cant ,wont play it.
It won't be someone who wants to move to a style of play that does not suit the current players overnight but it does not mean that style is unattractive. Don't get me wrong I am not happy with the current players and regardless of their response to Mel's approach their level of application in the last three games is typical of their performances since they were safe by last Christmas which is pretty poor. However just replacing the players out of contract and the loanees is 8 players and that gives the new coach plenty of scope to remould the squad.
Whoever comes in the first priority is to stop us shipping in two goals a game regardless of what we do going forward that will kill us. All that will take is some organisation and drilling the basics into the players it is what Roy did and his successors have failed to do.
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Look on @DougWoodsorMole - this lad on twitter is bigtime saying it's going to be Dave Jones. Sounds pretty sure, hoping it's just the usual BS rumours on Twitter though ...
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Look on @DougWoodsorMole - this lad on twitter is bigtime saying it's going to be Dave Jones. Sounds pretty sure, hoping it's just the usual BS rumours on Twitter though ...
I really don't get why there are so many rumours about Dave Jones. That's not a dig but his name won't go away. Is there a reason why I should be concerned or is it just because he is an out of work manager. Surely the club won't be considering someone who left Sheffield Weds in Dec 2013, two places of the bottom of the championship!
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I really hope we don't get Jones. There are so many rumours because of the Terry Burton link, as well as Jones being available, cheap & British which would suit JP down to the ground! I agree though surely we won't be stupid enough to appoint him, it would be an outrage!
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Look on @DougWoodsorMole - this lad on twitter is bigtime saying it's going to be Dave Jones. Sounds pretty sure, hoping it's just the usual BS rumours on Twitter though ...
Bio states he works for the Daily Mirror so I wouldn't get too upset just yet.
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Bio states he works for the Daily Mirror so I wouldn't get too upset just yet.
I didn't see that bit .. panic over .. for now!
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Look on @DougWoodsorMole - this lad on twitter is bigtime saying it's going to be Dave Jones. Sounds pretty sure, hoping it's just the usual BS rumours on Twitter though ...
Dave Jones is not in the running for West Brom's next manager according to WM last night.
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Dave Jones is not in the running for West Brom's next manager according to WM last night.
Chris Lepkowski would back that up.
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Dave Jones is not in the running for West Brom's next manager according to WM last night.
Theres is a god!
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If we are going to have a Head Coach rather than a Manager, i would like to see someone come in who is actually going to do what the job tital means , which is improve players technically and the team working as a unit.
this is exactly what Roy did and all very good coaches do, anybody can pick a team and send it out and is what as been happening for the last 2 years.
So lets have a coach who will improve players and work with the team on the training ground.
My pick would be some one like Hoddle not someone who as just got his coaching badges.
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Would Frank Rijkaard come under that heading :) :)?
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I still think it will be Hughton. We were after him before we appointed Clarke so it wouldn't surprise me if we at least give him a interview.
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I still think it will be Hughton. We were after him before we appointed Clarke so it wouldn't surprise me if we at least give him a interview.
But if he still insists on bringing his mates along for the ride then it's a no go from the off.
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Alas , i think you might be right so lets all go back to sleep now.
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Derek McInnes' time has come.
Inspirational captain of the Club and Megson's first lieutenant - read Dave Matthews book if you need additional evidence of this.
St Johnstone were in the middle of nowhere when he was given his first managerial job. He got them into the Premier league and laid the foundations of this weekend's Cup Final and Europe next season. He saved Bristol City from a hopeless position then did not receive any essential board financial support the following season with inevitable results.
At Aberdeen he has won a trophy in his first season - that Club's first for 20 years!
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I disagree myself i think mcinnes would be a bad apointment. We think the premier league is out of his depth.
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Derek McInnes' time has come.
Inspirational captain of the Club and Megson's first lieutenant - read Dave Matthews book if you need additional evidence of this.
St Johnstone were in the middle of nowhere when he was given his first managerial job. He got them into the Premier league and laid the foundations of this weekend's Cup Final and Europe next season. He saved Bristol City from a hopeless position then did not receive any essential board financial support the following season with inevitable results.
At Aberdeen he has won a trophy in his first season - that Club's first for 20 years!
I think its far to soon for Mcinnes. I think we now need someone with plenty of premier league experience and is going to give the current crop of players a good kick up the backside. Aswell as being able to attract quality players to seriously strengthen the dross we have at the moment.
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Derek McInnes' time has come.
Inspirational captain of the Club and Megson's first lieutenant - read Dave Matthews book if you need additional evidence of this.
St Johnstone were in the middle of nowhere when he was given his first managerial job. He got them into the Premier league and laid the foundations of this weekend's Cup Final and Europe next season. He saved Bristol City from a hopeless position then did not receive any essential board financial support the following season with inevitable results.
At Aberdeen he has won a trophy in his first season - that Club's first for 20 years!
If you want someone other than from the usual suspects McInnes is your man , certainly get a few upset fans back .
Looking at it another way if we don't go for him and he turns up in the top flight as a success we will be kicking ourselves.
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I think its far to soon for Mcinnes. I think we now need someone with plenty of premier league experience and is going to give the current crop of players a good kick up the backside. Aswell as being able to attract quality players to seriously strengthen the dross we have at the moment.
I don't buy this "attract quality players" really. The players go where there is the best money/opportunity. The PL coaches with plenty of "experience" tend to be previous failures that are recycled because they have "experience" (at failing I guess). Oh for a head coach with real talent.
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Was going to say not many good coaches about but that statement is wrong. There are men who have sacrificed their principles to try and stay in a job for more than five minutes mediocre players now have the power so good luck to who ever gets job you will need it
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Was going to say not many good coaches about but that statement is wrong. There are men who have sacrificed their principles to try and stay in a job for more than five minutes mediocre players now have the power so good luck to who ever gets job you will need it
Absolutely agree with the sentiment. Our players are prime examples of the irresponsible, adolescent breed of sportsman that infests top level football. They have been a disgrace for eighteen months now and unless the next head coach is backed in standing up to them and getting them into shape then our decline will continue.
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The current speculation of who the next coach will be, maybe mildly interesting.But the way the hierarchical management team preform it will be a long drawn out process.
All 50 or so candidates need to be vetted ,sorted into who is the cheapest,who is a yes man.Who will not demand we buy expensive players.
Who will be happy working with the current dressing room and the cliques who flourish there .and can dictate what style of football we play,even if it nearly dropped us into the championship.
I only hope the selection is lead by our new Director of Football as he seems to be the only member of staff who has clue,
I think you can forget all the name banded about at the moment,it is paper talk or ITK people who are not really in the know.
I think even the directors have not got an idea at the moment.So lets look forward to 3/4 weeks of newspaper fed frenzy.Only to be totally underwhelmed when the new coach is announced.
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Betting tip ;)
Print off the list of 'candidates' on oddschecker.
Rule people in or out based on our usual methods.
Put a quid on all those left.
I won a massive £33 using this method when Pepe Mel was appointed.
I came out with a £7 net loss though! ;D
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Betting tip
Print off the list of 'candidates' on oddschecker.
Rule people in or out based on our usual methods.
Put a quid on all those left.
I won a massive £33 using this method when Pepe Mel was appointed.
I came out with a £7 net loss though! ;D
That's not a tip...it's a warning.
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Latest Odds BET365
A real change in the odds today with less money going on Downing/Sherwood but Jones was 8/1 yesterday so someone has had a largeish punt.
Show GraphDave Jones 3 Really? Would we seriously consider him? I do hope NOT
Show GraphMalky Mackay 6
Show GraphTim Sherwood 11/2
Show GraphGlenn Hoddle 7
Show GraphChris Hughton 8
Show GraphKeith Downing 10
Show GraphBrian McDermott 11
Show GraphDerek McInnes 8
Show GraphNeil Lennon 20
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Latest Odds BET365
A real change in the odds today with less money going on Downing/Sherwood but Jones was 8/1 yesterday so someone has had a largeish punt.
Show GraphDave Jones 3 Really? Would we seriously consider him? I do hope NOT
Show GraphMalky Mackay 6
Show GraphTim Sherwood 11/2
Show GraphGlenn Hoddle 7
Show GraphChris Hughton 8
Show GraphKeith Downing 10
Show GraphBrian McDermott 11
Show GraphDerek McInnes 8
Show GraphNeil Lennon 20
Its looking at tables like this thats making me depressed >:( :(
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Latest Odds BET365
A real change in the odds today with less money going on Downing/Sherwood but Jones was 8/1 yesterday so someone has had a largeish punt.
Show GraphDave Jones 3 Really? Would we seriously consider him? I do hope NOT
Show GraphMalky Mackay 6
Show GraphTim Sherwood 11/2
Show GraphGlenn Hoddle 7
Show GraphChris Hughton 8
Show GraphKeith Downing 10
Show GraphBrian McDermott 11
Show GraphDerek McInnes 8
Show GraphNeil Lennon 20
The club have said its going to take 4-6 weeks to hire a coach. These betting odds mean nothing and are irrelevant
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No smoke without fire and the name Dave Jones keeps cropping up.......He's not my choice by a long way but just have a feeling it will be him.....
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The club needs to get the fans back on side. The appointment of Jones would have the opposite effect.
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Just been watching an interview with CL on the Evening Mail website.
Some quotes...Peace is "aiming high" with this appointment "higher than Steve Clarke"...it will be an "English speaking manager".
He also said Mel was a mistake, and that Peace said no one had been approached yet.
That kind of puts Jones back in his box doesn't it? Even his strongest supporters would struggle to make him "higher than Steve Clarke". Same goes for Downing.
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No smoke without fire and the name Dave Jones keeps cropping up.......He's not my choice by a long way but just have a feeling it will be him.....
Don't think there's any fire this time. Punters just know the connection between DJ and Burton. We also made no secret that we have spoke to him during our due diligence a few times in the past. Jones's career has gone backwards since we spoke to him first a decade ago. There is no way we will go for him, Peace is not that daft.
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Just been watching an interview with CL on the Evening Mail website.
Some quotes...Peace is "aiming high" with this appointment "higher than Steve Clarke"...it will be an "English speaking manager".
He also said Mel was a mistake, and that Peace said no one had been approached yet.
That kind of puts Jones back in his box doesn't it? Even his strongest supporters would struggle to make him "higher than Steve Clarke". Same goes for Downing.
Hoddle ?
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I'd rather almost anyone than Hoddle.
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No smoke without fire and the name Dave Jones keeps cropping up.......He's not my choice by a long way but just have a feeling it will be him.....
Here is a link for everyone who believes in this ridiculous and damaging fallacy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ybLA2Ux3to
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Here is a link for everyone who believes in this ridiculous and damaging fallacy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ybLA2Ux3to
Haha. In all seriousness though, if our country and justice system was based on "no smoke without fire" then a lot of innocent people would be in prison. One of the most illogical phrases out there.
People are reading far too much into betting odds yet again.
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I wonder if Carlos Queiroz might be considered? Vastly experienced Coach who may be available after the World Cup.
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Latest Odds BET365
A real change in the odds today with less money going on Downing/Sherwood but Jones was 8/1 yesterday so someone has had a largeish punt.
Show GraphDave Jones 3 Really? Would we seriously consider him? I do hope NOT
Show GraphMalky Mackay 6
Show GraphTim Sherwood 11/2
Show GraphGlenn Hoddle 7
Show GraphChris Hughton 8
Show GraphKeith Downing 10
Show GraphBrian McDermott 11
Show GraphDerek McInnes 8
Show GraphNeil Lennon 20
I think that's the operative term. I'd bet (excuse pun) that relatively little money has been wagered as yet on this market, so even a small number of people making a bet on a particular name will skew the market.
Love the 'aiming high' quote. It gives me a bit of hope.
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Everything points towards David moyes. I think he may have applied for the job too
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Thats list is seriously depressing, however I would be surprised if it was any of those. Most of them have been 1st/2nd/3rd favourite for our managers job at some point in the last 3 years and none of them have ever got it despite the press insisting 'mackay is the favourite' 'hughton to be announced next week' 'albion to target curbishley' etc etc year after year.
The only ones I could remotely see it being on that list are Mackay or Lennon
Dave Jones - No chance, lazy journalism at best
Malky Mackay - Possible, but I think he is off to Norwich hence why his dispute with Tan was solved so swiftly.
Tim Sherwood - No way Peace would appoint someone with his personality
Glenn Hoddle - Again cant see him fitting in to our structure. I know he is a coach but has a huge ego
Chris Hughton - Could of appointed him 2 or 3 times now when his stock was a lot lot higher. Can't see why we would go back in for him now when it's plummeted.
Keith Downing - Have a slight doubt (panic) this could come off, but I don't think Peace would be stupid enough.
Brian McDermott - Can't see this at all
Derek McInnes - If he didn't play for us he wouldn't be in the top 50 for this job. How would you feel now if we were being linked with a Dundee Utd manager who previously got Peterborough relegated? Peace doesn't look at it like a fan and without that there's no reason to appoint him.
Neil Lennon - Really really hope not. As a man I think he's utterly detestable, as a manager he has proved absolutely nothing. Rather get Mcinnes even without the connection.
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Dave Jones - No chance, lazy journalism at best
Wasnt he in the final 3 with Mel though? I hope your right but Jones would be the worst case scenario closely followed by Downing getting the job. Ill take anything other then them two
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Everything points towards David moyes. I think he may have applied for the job too
I would like to see him as Albion manager, would be a great appointment for a club like us! Its simlar to Hodgson getting the job, not liked at Liverpool, next West Bromwich Boss and I never thought that would happen!
If we are unable too (and proberbly are), get him then I would hate to see a manager such as Dave Jones come in...we need a bit of stability and if we appoint somone who has taken a club down before then if we start the season with 3 losses then the fans will be panicing almost from the off and we will have another sacking on the cards.
We need to go big or go home!
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Moyes has a bigger profile than Hodgson did, not to mention Hodgson needed to get back into management for the England job. Moyes meanwhile will know that basically any side outside the top 7 would love him as manager.
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Taking as many factors as I can into account, this is who I wouldn't mind take over as head coach; picking from the top 20 on oddschecker.
Tim Sherwood - Abit of a wildcard, but I don't think he did a bad job at spurs, not sure on his position with regard to his coaching badges but i'm sure it wouldn't be much of an issue. Sounds like the club arn't interested though, and he may be off to Brighton.
Andrea Mandorlini - Looks like a promising option but I don't think the club are that keen on another foreign coach.
David Moyes - This is my preferred option, think it could be a good move for everyone involved, especially if Moyes is mentally ready to jump straight back into coaching.
Dick Advocaat - I think this is pretty unlikely to happen but wouldn't say no.
Some more options down the list below the top20 I like/wouldn't mind;
Paul Clement,
Dan Petrescu,
Uwe Rosler,
Slaven Bilic.
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Dave Jones laugh out loud, not a cat in hells chance
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Personally I find Moyes a rather boring and stiff coach. He failed at United because his idea of football is way too static and square. United have always been a very dynamic, attacking side but Moyes had no idea how to step up. Everton always were one of the "best of the rest clubs" but even if they never had serious resources to put into the team they always had a bit of muscle compared to clubs like us.
Having said that, if we are looking for a 'safe' coach to keep grinding out mid table security year in and year out Moyes would probably be a very, very safe bet. Without a shadow of a doubt there are far worse candidates out there. Also Moyes is a good, decent man which in my book is important.
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Glad some people are warming to the idea of Moysey.
I always thought his Everton were a mixed bag. They could certainly grind out a result and could get very physical, but to give him and them their due they were never anything less than disciplined and professional, and could play with some style when circumstances permitted. He made them a very balanced team.
I know Martinez has taken things up a notch, but he had Moyes's foundations to build on.
Him aside, I can't really think who would be a better fit for us. I do think Hughton comes across well as a person and I don't think he's a completely busted flush as a coach, but Norwich's inability to score last season and find a way out of that rut is a cause for concern, especially as if we don't get proper investment in our squad things could easily go that way for us.
No-one else on the list apart from Lennon inspires me really.
FWIW I think Hoddle is a bit of a latter day George Graham or Curbishley, i.e. has been good in the past but a longish time out of football and just a name bandied around almost for the sake of it.
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Derek McInnes' time has come.
Inspirational captain of the Club and Megson's first lieutenant - read Dave Matthews book if you need additional evidence of this.
St Johnstone were in the middle of nowhere when he was given his first managerial job. He got them into the Premier league and laid the foundations of this weekend's Cup Final and Europe next season. He saved Bristol City from a hopeless position then did not receive any essential board financial support the following season with inevitable results.
At Aberdeen he has won a trophy in his first season - that Club's first for 20 years!
i'm with you all the way on this young and hungry and not afraid to dish out rollockings /we have not had a proper captain since ;)
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i'm with you all the way on this young and hungry and not afraid to dish out rollockings /we have not had a proper captain since ;)
No we haven't and I think that is a big problem. We have a lack of leadership amongst the playing personnel. Moaning and going above the head coaches head is not leadership it's immaturity and probably mixed with arrogance.
The new manager needs to be someone who will pull everything together. He doesn't necessarily need to be a nasty bugger or even a hard man but he does need to command respect and assert his authority.
We need a captain, a proper one, who will be an extension of the manager on the field and who will pull people through tough times whilst also showing professionalism and loyalty off the pitch.
Someone like Hoddle I think would fit us really well where we are now, or Moyes. Both have managed at higher levels than Albion as a club and both are well respected in the game.
Someone like McInnes would be interesting and I wouldn't be opposed to him. He's cut his teeth in management and has done well. Is he ready for an Albion type job? Well it's probably the next step for him.
Whoever comes in I just hope it's not one of the has been / never was brigade or one of those coaches that has done OK in the Championship and nothing else. I'm sure it wont be.
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So far so good
Kept Brunt and Dorrans
Let go all the other dross
Shame about Billy Jones but I'm led to believe he has run down his contracts at his last two clubs and he's injury prone. He had the club where he wanted them.
Just need to keep our best players and bring in 6 good players and a really good manager like David Moyes.
Peace has been rubbish for the last 18 months but he is no fool. I think he's learn't his lesson and I'm optimistic he will get it right next season.
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I would like Moyes, but if Norwich go for Lennon I think Moyes will end up at Celtic.
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i'm with you all the way on this young and hungry and not afraid to dish out rollockings /we have not had a proper captain since ;)
I agree but not many fans seem to think a captain has a place in modern football I'm of the opinion a good'n is needed now more than ever on & off the pitch.
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Everything points towards David moyes. I think he may have applied for the job too
Fingers crossed. This would be a fantastic appointment!
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I have pondered this over the last couple of days and despaired slightly at the lack of interesting choices. Jones, Hoddle, Sherwood etc
In the end I have come up with three that would work for me. McClaren from Derby if they lose on the Play-off Final, Rosler from Wigan or McInnes.
I don't really have a favourite among the three - but if pushed I reckon McClaren would be first choice.
Having said that - I'd still prefer Pepe Mel......
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Seeing that we are looking for a Head Coach, not a manager, I'd be happy with either McClaren, Hoddle or Paul Clement, who is coaching Real Madrid and may be keen to step into a No.1 role.
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Seeing that we are looking for a Head Coach, not a manager, I'd be happy with either McClaren, Hoddle or Paul Clement, who is coaching Real Madrid and may be keen to step into a No.1 role.
I would be intrested to see what clement could do. But would you swap madrid for west bromwich? :D
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I would be intrested to see what clement could do. But would you swap madrid for west bromwich? :D
if they lose the champ final cannot see him being there next season come on athletico
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Guillem Balague ?@GuillemBalague 14m
A top Spanish manager wanted in the PL. In last 2 months Quique Sanchez Flores has had approaches from West Brom, West Ham, Newcastle
Interesting, last two months? After we had already got Mel?
Also resigned yesterday...
http://www.dubaieye1038.com/quique-sanchez-flores-resigns/
Was he not a stand out candidate in January for us? But compensation was an issue.
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Guillem Balague ?@GuillemBalague 14m
A top Spanish manager wanted in the PL. In last 2 months Quique Sanchez Flores has had approaches from West Brom, West Ham, Newcastle
Interesting, last two months? After we had already got Mel?
Also resigned yesterday...
http://www.dubaieye1038.com/quique-sanchez-flores-resigns/
Was he not a stand out candidate in January for us? But compensation was an issue.
Do we stump up huge wages for him to then have the players mafia disrespect him?
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Do we stump up huge wages for him to then have the players mafia disrespect him?
I am not sure how our players can disrespect a manager who won the Europa League a few years ago. Besides the players are being culled anyway.
Flores also is English speaking.
Not to mention he has managed players such as Aguero, Costa, Forlan, Reyes.
I would love to see some of our shower of sh*t say anything to him :D
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Guillem Balague ?@GuillemBalague 14m
A top Spanish manager wanted in the PL. In last 2 months Quique Sanchez Flores has had approaches from West Brom, West Ham, Newcastle
Interesting, last two months? After we had already got Mel?
Also resigned yesterday...
http://www.dubaieye1038.com/quique-sanchez-flores-resigns/
Was he not a stand out candidate in January for us? But compensation was an issue.
Does this mean i can keep my flag.
Lets just get Dave Jones, Chris Hughton and Malky out of the equation then i will start to breath more easily
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what an opportunity for someone with all the rubbish gone a decent amount to spend on wages , bring in your own players and the close season to work with.
what would Pepe have given for that and that's the last time i mention him, honest.
Great chance for us to start fresh.
Got a feeling he will be British, as long as its not the three you mentioned Jack i to will sleep easier.
For what its worth i would love Curbishley or Hoddle.
HERE WE GO AGAIN.
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Guillem Balague ?@GuillemBalague 14m
A top Spanish manager wanted in the PL. In last 2 months Quique Sanchez Flores has had approaches from West Brom, West Ham, Newcastle
Interesting, last two months? After we had already got Mel?
Also resigned yesterday...
http://www.dubaieye1038.com/quique-sanchez-flores-resigns/
Was he not a stand out candidate in January for us? But compensation was an issue.
I can't honestly see JP going down the foreign coach route again. I expect that if Flores ends up in the PL, he is more likely to end up at Spurs than ourselves (although we can always live in hope).
At least this summer won't be dull with the World Cup, a new kit to be unveiled >:(, new Head Coach to be announced and the potential of up to 10 new players being signed :o
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For what its worth i would love Curbishley or Hoddle.
Odd choice. Hoddle last managed in 2006, Curbishley 2008. No idea why they would be on the possibles list.
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Odd choice. Hoddle last managed in 2006, Curbishley 2008. No idea why they would be on the possibles list.
I strongly agree. They belong in another era and let them stay there. Necromancing them wouldn't do us any favours I fear.
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I reckon we are going after Paul Clement, assistant at Madrid. Top-rated coach and English; would be the good fit. If it possible nothing could happen until the champions league final is over.
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I reckon we are going after Paul Clement, assistant at Madrid. Top-rated coach and English; would be the good fit. If it possible nothing could happen until the champions league final is over.
Clement would be my choice. Good pedigree and very, very well thought of and reputedly looking for a top job somewhere, fits the profile JP has outlined.
I'd be happy with that appointment. Still wish Pepe was still here though.
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Hope Lennon is not a realistic candidate. I watched Celtic twice last season, and although he has bags of enthusiasm jumping on the touchline, the football was like watching a glorified pub team.
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Some of the names mentioned in this thread beggar belief. Neil Lennon?! Any one of us on here could win the SPL with Celtic.
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i voted for mcinnes and have always discounted tim sherwood but after listening to him talking about the cup final i have changed my mind and now think he would be a good shout.
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A real change in the odds today with less money going on Downing/Sherwood but Jones was 8/1 yesterday so someone has had a largeish punt.
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365 only priced this market the other day if so, they were after everyone else, its no suprise all other firm slowly start to copy the leading firms
Only £500 matched on betfair at the moment out of 5k on the market so nothing to get to worried about yet, until money starts pilling in
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I think it's almost certain to be a Brit and that it is also very probable that it'll be a guy with current top flight experience.
If it's a guy from the continent I'll be very surprised!
Be interesting to see if McClaren can be dragged over should Derby fail (I really really hope they don't however, QPR failing to get out of the Champ with a wage bill bigger than Atletico Madrid would be too funny!
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I voted for Jol but the more I think of it Mclaren makes a lot of sense. I think he'd come if Derby don't get up.
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Many posters keep mentioning "player power" but since Reid and Ridgewell are now off, I'm guessing that the dressing room might simmer down a little?
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West Brom are considering a shock move to make Arsenal No.2 Steve Bould their next head coach, according to The Mirror.
Terry Burton, Albion's new technical director, left his post in Arsenal’s youth system to take the job at The Hawthorns, and he is pressing the claims of his former colleague at the Gunners.
Bould, 51, is seen as manager material and the Baggies' chairman Jeremy Peace must decide whether to take the plunge. Peace is also considering the credentials of former Sheffield Wednesday manager Dave Jones.
Jones was close to getting the job in January before Pepe Mel’s recruitment.
Peace was impressed when he interviewed him, but knows the 57-year-old would not be a popular appointment among West Brom fans, given his Wolves connections, as well as the fact that he has not managed in the top flight for a decade
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenals-steve-bould-frame-west-3558181#ixzz320mLY8ub
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Steve bould. Laugh out loud. Another Steve Clarke cheap option. Absolutely no way >:(
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West Brom are considering a shock move to make Arsenal No.2 Steve Bould their next head coach, according to The Mirror.
Terry Burton, Albion's new technical director, left his post in Arsenal’s youth system to take the job at The Hawthorns, and he is pressing the claims of his former colleague at the Gunners.
Bould, 51, is seen as manager material and the Baggies' chairman Jeremy Peace must decide whether to take the plunge. Peace is also considering the credentials of former Sheffield Wednesday manager Dave Jones.
Jones was close to getting the job in January before Pepe Mel’s recruitment.
Peace was impressed when he interviewed him, but knows the 57-year-old would not be a popular appointment among West Brom fans, given his Wolves connections, as well as the fact that he has not managed in the top flight for a decade
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenals-steve-bould-frame-west-3558181#ixzz320mLY8ub
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Here we go again just as I started to feel a bit more positive about next season with the clear out of players; the appointment of Terry Burton; Chris Lepowski interview with Peace and then this news. Another few weeks of torture before we know.
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I wouldn't listen to a word that comes out of the Mirror, The Sun or any of the other main-stream newspaper rubbish.
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Here we go again just as I started to feel a bit more positive about next season with the clear out of players; the appointment of Terry Burton; Chris Lepowski interview with Peace and then this news. Another few weeks of torture before we know.
I shouldn't worry Bry. Bould is a non starter. Just the crappy London press scratching around for a story.
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I shouldn't worry Bry. Bould is a non starter. Just the crappy London press scratching around for a story.
I'm more worried about Dave Jones than Steve Bould.
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Mackay is off to Norwich so that's one less to worry about
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I'm more worried about Dave Jones than Steve Bould.
Jones? About as much chance as me!
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Mackay is off to Norwich so that's one less to worry about
Is that for certain? ive seen nothing confirmed.
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It's the Mirror who correct me if I am wrong was confidently predicting the return of Di Matteo last time out. In different circumstances I would be relaxed about Bould but right now I think we don't need someone in their first role as a Head Coach. I couldn't give a monkeys about Dave Jones former connections with the Wolves but on the other hand I would be concerned because he isn't very good.
We will have another few weeks of this to endure before it is put to bed I am fairly confident that the national press will be full of uninformed speculation
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Why do people look at the bookies? Time and time again they have proven that they A. are not in the loop B. List a lot of the "usual suspects" in the hope that plenty of people will bite the hook and spend money on *no hopers" which equals easy no risk money for the bookies!
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WBA get Terry Burton from Arsenal and then the media try and find a link. I guess it was either Wenger or Bould now to be linked with the Albion :)
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WBA get Terry Burton from Arsenal and then the media try and find a link. I guess it was either Wenger or Bould now to be linked with the Albion :)
Or Dave Jones.
As Terry Burton is apparently big mates with Jones.
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I can't honestly see JP going down the foreign coach route again. I expect that if Flores ends up in the PL, he is more likely to end up at Spurs than ourselves (although we can always live in hope).
At least this summer won't be dull with the World Cup, a new kit to be unveiled >:(, new Head Coach to be announced and the potential of up to 10 new players being signed :o
I'm not too sure. JP did say that he was looking for a top English speaking replacement (not specifically British) so I interpret that as meaning any reputable foreign coach that speaks excellent English would be considered.
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I'm not too sure. JP did say that he was looking for a top English speaking replacement (not specifically British) so I interpret that as meaning any reputable foreign coach that speaks excellent English would be considered.
Also, from the CL interview "interpretation" by CL, JP said that Clarke and Mel had been a mistakes and he wanted a coach with better merits. That puts the bar pretty high.
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I would be very surprised if Peace takes on a number two for for his number one, especially after Clarke, I would also be very surprised if Peace took on an unpopular manager such as Jones especially with the kit issue and the fans disgust with last season. It's been said that's its Peace's club and he will do what he wants which is true however when season ticket and kits sales are down then that's less profit.
I think he will go high profile and experience similar to RH.
Life is all about surprises, reckon we are due some good news
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I hope that is the case swad35. I very much doubt we will appoint Dave Jones, I think he is a very average manager really should have taken Cardiff up but never. Just read this morning about Steve Bould that would never happen either especially if Peace has said that appointing Steve Clarke was a mistake. I was very surprised when we got Roy Hodgson lets hope the club can pull something like this off again.
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My personal opinion on potential candidates known well to us fans and fit the possible interpretation of what JP wants are Moyes, McClaren and Jol. All, with the odd failures, have had reasonably successful careers in top flights of leagues in England and/or in Europe.
There are of course other less well-known but equally successful potential candidates on the Continent that could be added.
I just hope that most of the bookies current favourites don’t end up on the short-list.
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West Brom are considering a shock move to make Arsenal No.2 Steve Bould their next head coach, according to The Mirror.
Terry Burton, Albion's new technical director, left his post in Arsenal’s youth system to take the job at The Hawthorns, and he is pressing the claims of his former colleague at the Gunners.
Bould, 51, is seen as manager material and the Baggies' chairman Jeremy Peace must decide whether to take the plunge. Peace is also considering the credentials of former Sheffield Wednesday manager Dave Jones.
Jones was close to getting the job in January before Pepe Mel’s recruitment.
Peace was impressed when he interviewed him, but knows the 57-year-old would not be a popular appointment among West Brom fans, given his Wolves connections, as well as the fact that he has not managed in the top flight for a decade
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenals-steve-bould-frame-west-3558181#ixzz320mLY8ub
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Either Bould's agent has been a busy boy, or the journalists at the Mirror are bored.
This story is a complete non-starter.
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Maybe Peace has now realised that taking the cheap option re the head coach is a false economy. It very nearly cost him a huge chunk of his personal wealth if we had got relegated. Paying an upper quartile salary to attract a top head coach would be a wise investment and it wouldn't set a knock-on precedent, unlike paying very high wages to a new player signing.
If I were Peace, I would let it be known that the basic salary for the head coach is £3m, plus performance-related bonus, and that the bonus is linked directly to getting the best possible results from the budget given. No whinges about the budget being too limited, the aim is to get the most out of that budget. In other words, the head coach is judged on his coaching ability to get the most out of the resources made available to him. If successful, the head coach will be very well rewarded.
Give him a one-year rolling contract so that the cost of a future parting of the ways is capped.
The top coaches around, as opposed to the top wheeler-dealers with a cheque book, would surely be attracted to that.
And if the head coach ends up taking us to mid-table within his budget then so what if he has earned £5m for doing so? He will have deserved it and everybody is happy, and it will be self-funded out of the extra prize money.
For a club like ours, this is a model which can work very well, provided that the player budget is realistic to start with. At present, that player budget probably is realistic although its inevitably going to be well-tested this summer with so many new signings needed.
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martin jol for me , out of work had a break and takes no rubbish just what we need .
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I would be very surprised if Peace takes on a number two for for his number one, especially after Clarke, I would also be very surprised if Peace took on an unpopular manager such as Jones especially with the kit issue and the fans disgust with last season. It's been said that's its Peace's club and he will do what he wants which is true however when season ticket and kits sales are down then that's less profit.
I think he will go high profile and experience similar to RH.
Life is all about surprises, reckon we are due some good news
Unless a new head coach is prepared to work without their own backroom staff then a number 2 might be the only viable option.
We have the same issue every time the position becomes vacant.
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Also important to remember that McLaren has strong links to Derby having played for them and been there as a coach/assistant amanger previously - I don't think he'd leave to join us unless they wanted rid of him.
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You know what watching Tim Sherwood on goals on Sunday he could quite easily win me over.Pity i couldn't see him getting on with JP though.No more paly paly dressing rooms thats for sure
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The more I read and hear, the more I think Downing will get the job.
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If David Moyes does come to the Albion,it wouldnt be too dissimilar to when Hodgson joined.
Torrid time at a top club, sacked after a short amount of time,eager to show that there a quality manager. I think it would be prudent of JP to make this case if he doees talk to DM. Look at Hodgson now, most prestigious job in English football.
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The more I read and hear, the more I think Downing will get the job.
You sure do like winding me up :)
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The more I read and hear, the more I think Downing will get the job.
I was feeling very happy on this nice sunny day until I read that.
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Lets hope when the new Head coach comes in we can say thank you and a goodbye to Downing
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I actually think Steve Bould would be a decent choice. We really need more of a coach than a manager, and he's been at Arsenal for 14 years so certainly done his time.
It's hardly like getting Clarke was disaster, we finished 8th, then ok this season was going fairly poorly (though we'd still have probably at least got the points total we did) but it shouldn't put the club going off that route again. Even then Clarke was clearly messed about on the transfer front (though he takes blame for the two worst I guess). More so, whereas Clarke has mainly worked under more attritional managers, Mourinho no doubt his main mentor, Bould would surely have largely learned off Wenger where he's been since 2001. Regardless of which, Clarke's eventual sacking shouldn't mean we don't go down that route any more than sacking an established manager should mean that a club shouldn't go down that route either.
Looking at the options we've got, if we've a commitment to someone who works/worked in England, then he seems a better option than most names floating around.
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Bould would not be a bold choice, just too much of a leap of faith.
The job needs a bloke with a track record of being being to adapt to different problems, be they tactical (i.e. how do you solve Albion's mid-winter rut of indifference that we seem to fall into every year?) or with personnel (touch wood we don't have problems again with players like we did last season, but it'd need a wise head to steer a course through that sort of situation).
Even Clarke who'd seen quite a lot as number two gave me the impression of being like a rabbit in the headlights towards the end of his time.
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There's room for a club like us to take an educated guess on a former number 2, who may have what it takes to go bigger. But that is only when the club has a solid foundation and is on a forward momentum, like when SC took over from Hodgson (granted it didn't really work out, but it was worth the shot)
Now is veryu much not the time for inexperienced hands. For that reason, I vote Martin Jol
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I have said previous i would like Martin Jol, but have to say Tim Sherwood is growing on me, if there are egos in our changing rooms still, he would no doubt take them on such is his ego!
I also think due to our current status we could take on somebody inexperienced, when Roy came in, due to his career he could work with what he had and make them better, because we need pretty much a whole team numbers wise we could bring somebody in and let them start afresh to a certain extent, ie - let them get players they want for their style so there is no repeat of the Pepe Mel scenario.
I would say out our current players probably Foster, MacAuley and Mulumbu are the certain starters, others such as Olsson, Yacob and Morrison may be moved on either at their request or at the clubs and i think its upto the likes of Brunt, Dorrans, Sess and Anichebe to prove they are more than squad players, the younger lads Berahino, O' Neill, Thorne all also have the chance to make a name for themselves next season too.
Potentially its quite an exciting job, we are now an established Prem club and i just hope we get somebody who plays entertaining football.
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I have said previous i would like Martin Jol, but have to say Tim Sherwood is growing on me, if there are egos in our changing rooms still, he would no doubt take them on such is his ego!
I also think due to our current status we could take on somebody inexperienced, when Roy came in, due to his career he could work with what he had and make them better, because we need pretty much a whole team numbers wise we could bring somebody in and let them start afresh to a certain extent, ie - let them get players they want for their style so there is no repeat of the Pepe Mel scenario.
I would say out our current players probably Foster, MacAuley and Mulumbu are the certain starters, others such as Olsson, Yacob and Morrison may be moved on either at their request or at the clubs and i think its upto the likes of Brunt, Dorrans, Sess and Anichebe to prove they are more than squad players, the younger lads Berahino, O' Neill, Thorne all also have the chance to make a name for themselves next season too.
Potentially its quite an exciting job, we are now an established Prem club and i just hope we get somebody who plays entertaining football.
Trouble is, we had someone who liked to play entertaining football but the players didn't want to know. We certainly need someone strong enough to INSIST if that's the way he wants to play, which we all hope he does.
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tim and les as number 2 , loved what he said today get the young home grown players out there , and don't talk bulls--t ;)
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I think it will be an established coach, Jol is a possibility, but someone of his stature, maybe a former international coach.
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tim and les as number 2 , loved what he said today get the young home grown players out there , and don't talk bulls--t ;)
They were both fantastic. Tim sherwood believe me should be our next head coach. I will renew my ticket immediately
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Can't see the players being happy with Sherwood, most of them would be gutted that their mate Downing ain't the gaffer. In all seriousness Sherwood would be the ideal Head Coach for me.
*He would tell it as it is
* Like's to bring youth players through -(Kane,Bentaleb at Spurs)
* Not afraid to drop players
* Gets the best out of players.
With Terry Burton in aswell as DOF it could be a good team.He could also bring Les Ferdinand in and he could teach Anichebe how to shoot. ;D
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The more I read and hear, the more I think Downing will get the job.
As much as I respect Downing I hope not. These players have arguably forced two managers out and now need the law laying down. Downing will not do this and represents the softer option to the players hence their support. Peace will like the idea too as it is the cheaper option. However we need a strong manager with the contacts to bring in 10 good players to play the way he wants - Downing will not do this as good as a man he is.
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Can't see the players being happy with Sherwood, most of them would be gutted that their mate Downing ain't the gaffer. In all seriousness Sherwood would be the ideal Head Coach for me.
*He would tell it as it is
* Like's to bring youth players through -(Kane,Bentaleb at Spurs)
* Not afraid to drop players
* Gets the best out of players.
With Terry Burton in aswell as DOF it could be a good team.He could also bring Les Ferdinand in and he could teach Anichebe how to shoot. ;D
And theres one reason why Sherwood is growing on me. Sick of hearing what the players are happy with and not happy with. I've not been happy with the dross some of these overpaid, over pampered superstars have been serving up this season so someone to come and shake it up a bit will do for me.
The players have to learn to either fit in or stick a transfer request in and see where they end up as not many if any will get a bigger and better club than this one.
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And theres one reason why Sherwood is growing on me. Sick of hearing what the players are happy with and not happy with. I've not been happy with the dross some of these overpaid, over pampered superstars have been serving up this season so someone to come and shake it up a bit will do for me.
The players have to learn to either fit in or stick a transfer request in and see where they end up as not many if any will get a bigger and better club than this one.
Me too. If the players aren't happy, slap in a transfer request and get the hell out of the club at the earliest opportunity OR buckle down, act like the professionals they are supposed to be and get on with it.
The next manager needs to have an air of authority about him and Peace and his men need to back him. Any player that knocks on any door to complain about anything I'd be fining two weeks wages and reminding them who runs the club.
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As much as Sherwood is growing on me too, did I make it up or did CL already say that Sherwood would not be appointed by the board?
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I watched GOS this morning and I must say that Tim Sherwood is growing on me - I thought he was really good to listen too.
I know he has a bit of arrogance and smugness about him but I would get over that given time, but then again, I guess all managers that go onto achieve something with their careers have to have those traits about them. They won't get anywhere being a pushover.
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I watched GOS this morning and I must say that Tim Sherwood is growing on me - I thought he was really good to listen too.
I know he has a bit of arrogance and smugness about him but I would get over that given time, but then again, I guess all managers that go onto achieve something with their careers have to have those traits about them. They won't get anywhere being a pushover.
Yep,Mel wanted his boys over,peace said no,Mel backed down...now imagine mourinho/guardiola etc backing down??,me either.
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Yep,Mel wanted his boys over,peace said no,Mel backed down...now imagine mourinho/guardiola etc backing down??,me either.
It's hardly a fair comparison is it when you consider what Mourinho and Guardiola have achieved in their managerial careers.
I also have no idea what you mean about "Mel backed down".
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As well as Sherwood is coming across on TV lately, I don't think JP will see him as having the necessary experience to take us forward next season. The same can be said for Downing.
We need a head coach who can actually coach, has had some kind of success in the prem and commands respect. Jol, Moyes, McClaren and Phelan all possibly fit the bill, although I cant see us paying compensation so I'd rule McClaren out.
I was hoping for Jol in January and would still like him now, but wouldn't be too unhappy with either Moyes or Phelan.
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I guess another thing in Sherwood's favour(at least in Peace's mind) is that he doesn't have any backroom staff that he'll want to bring with him. I know Ferdinand was with him at Spurs but he was on Goals On Sunday saying he had spoke to Levy about staying there.
I'm warming to the idea of Sherwood, but I just don't think Peace will go for him.
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Sherwoods my 1st choice with Mackay 2nd!
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And theres one reason why Sherwood is growing on me. Sick of hearing what the players are happy with and not happy with. I've not been happy with the dross some of these overpaid, over pampered superstars have been serving up this season so someone to come and shake it up a bit will do for me.
The players have to learn to either fit in or stick a transfer request in and see where they end up as not many if any will get a bigger and better club than this one.
The last point is very true not many of our players in the last few years could go on to better things despite what they think, maybe mulumbu and yacob in our present team but the rest of them better stop smoking the wacky backy if they think there destining for bigger and better things.
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Sherwood would be lucky to last till Christmas. It's all well and good saying he wouldn't be a pushover etc but constantly going out to the media slagging off the club, owners, players.... It'll end very swiftly and very poorly for him. We need a head coach who's strong with a good vision, anyone can come in, slag off the players a bit and then end up getting fired. It is possible to be strong and respected. Given the problems leaking out of Spurs about Sherwood, he's exactly the opposite of what we need.
Maybe he'll learn eventually that he can't go running his mouth off to the media. But he shouldn't get that opportunity here.
His decent points return at Spurs can be deceiving too, Avram Grant did a super job at Chelsea based on that, RDM won the champions league and FA cup. Of more concern is that Spurs took repeated hammerings from teams of better quality. Considering nearly half the league is far superior to us, that doesn't bode well.
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Sherwood would be lucky to last till Christmas. It's all well and good saying he wouldn't be a pushover etc but constantly going out to the media slagging off the club, owners, players.... It'll end very swiftly and very poorly for him. We need a head coach who's strong with a good vision, anyone can come in, slag off the players a bit and then end up getting fired. It is possible to be strong and respected. Given the problems leaking out of Spurs about Sherwood, he's exactly the opposite of what we need.
Maybe he'll learn eventually that he can't go running his mouth off to the media. But he shouldn't get that opportunity here.
His decent points return at Spurs can be deceiving too, Avram Grant did a super job at Chelsea based on that, RDM won the champions league and FA cup. Of more concern is that Spurs took repeated hammerings from teams of better quality. Considering nearly half the league is far superior to us, that doesn't bode well.
How many times did he actually slag off his players and owners?
Wasn't it just the once against Chelsea?
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Tim sherwood believe me should be our next head coach. I will renew my ticket immediately
I thought your non-renewal was in principle over the disgusting way Pepe Mel was treated and so would be regardless of who comes in to replace him?
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Spoke to a couple of Spurs fans I know and they don't speak too highly of him. Tend to think he was tactically naive, mad bad subs. Can't knock his record though, and seems a breath of fresh air
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Spoke to a couple of Spurs fans I know and they don't speak too highly of him. Tend to think he was tactically naive, mad bad subs. Can't knock his record though, and seems a breath of fresh air
Sherwood isn't formally competent is he? And he has no real prior experience as manager/head coach. I very much doubt we will go for him.
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It's hardly a fair comparison is it when you consider what Mourinho and Guardiola have achieved in their managerial careers.
I also have no idea what you mean about "Mel backed down".
The point I'm making is that big managers with strbg personalities ,know what they want/need and make sure they get it,Mel didn't dig in hard enough at the start.
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The last point is very true not many of our players in the last few years could go on to better things despite what they think, maybe mulumbu and yacob in our present team but the rest of them better stop smoking the wacky backy if they think there destining for bigger and better things.
the only player in our present team who could go to a bigger and better club is foster
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Sherwood would be lucky to last till Christmas. It's all well and good saying he wouldn't be a pushover etc but constantly going out to the media slagging off the club, owners, players.... It'll end very swiftly and very poorly for him. We need a head coach who's strong with a good vision, anyone can come in, slag off the players a bit and then end up getting fired. It is possible to be strong and respected. Given the problems leaking out of Spurs about Sherwood, he's exactly the opposite of what we need.
Maybe he'll learn eventually that he can't go running his mouth off to the media. But he shouldn't get that opportunity here.
His decent points return at Spurs can be deceiving too, Avram Grant did a super job at Chelsea based on that, RDM won the champions league and FA cup. Of more concern is that Spurs took repeated hammerings from teams of better quality. Considering nearly half the league is far superior to us, that doesn't bode well.
I think he is the complete opposite tbh I think he's straight down the middle and has spoken wisely and honestly when faced with tricky questions, sandro springs to mind.
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I have just listened to an interview with Tim Sherwood on Talksport and was very impressed. He clearly has a great regard for Tottenham, could not stand the attitude of some of their players saying "some of them thought that you should just be grateful that they bothered to turn up" and "I would have got rid of those players given more time & the club would have been better for it" I have to admit I loved Megson, and I think Sherwood may be a more cultured version of Sir Gary.
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He came across very well pre-FA Cup Final on Saturday and I bet a lot of people would have been impressed with the way he handled himself. Very respectful, very honest and very likeable. Would sooner see Moyes but from a realistic point of view I've opened up to the idea of Sherwood.
What you do have to remember though is the sides Sherwood was sending out cost £100m+.
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The cynic in me would suggest that Sherwood is on a personal PR push with all his media presence of late.
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I don't want anybody with too much publicity eg Moyes, Sherwood.
Want someone under the radar, English, good coach, good football, personable but commands respect and doesn't take any rubbish.
I hope that man is Paul Clement.
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I don't want anybody with too much publicity eg Moyes, Sherwood.
Want someone under the radar, English, good coach, good football, personable but commands respect and doesn't take any rubbish.
I hope that man is Paul Clement.
Unless he has a clause in his contract, or could negotiate something, the compensation is likely to be millions. He's a fantastic shout though.
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Paul Clement is virtually identical to Steve Clarke , number 2 to big club criteria.
That leaves.
A sucssesful premiership applicants , Moyes , Laudrup, Hoddle.
Wildcards Mcinnes, Sherwood.Rosler
Premiership failures Hughton, Jol ,Jones, Mckay.
McDermott, Zola?.
English speaking foreign coaches previously linkeded Rangnick, Schaarf, Flores, Pelligrino.Petrescu,Koeman,
GIVE IN the list is endless .
Welcome Keith Downing. :-[.
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I have to say, I’m pretty surprised by the amount of people who appear to have changed their tunes on Tim Sherwood on the back of an hour plus interview on GOS. I saw the programe myself, and whilst he came across well, it still doesn’t hide the fact that the guy is far too confrontational to succeed at this football club. He clearly isn’t the type of person he would work well under our existing structure and his arrogance would rub too many people up the wrong way. We need somebody to come in and bring the togetherness back into the squad.
Aside from all this, the guy’s tactics in certain games at Spurs were questionable to say the least. They were ridiculously open for much of his tenure, playing a high line and relying on their better offensive players to get them out of trouble. Not sure that would work particularly well with our team!
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I have to say, I’m pretty surprised by the amount of people who appear to have changed their tunes on Tim Sherwood on the back of an hour plus interview on GOS. I saw the programe myself, and whilst he came across well, it still doesn’t hide the fact that the guy is far too confrontational to succeed at this football club. He clearly isn’t the type of person he would work well under our existing structure and his arrogance would rub too many people up the wrong way. We need somebody to come in and bring the togetherness back into the squad.
Aside from all this, the guy’s tactics in certain games at Spurs were questionable to say the least. They were ridiculously open for much of his tenure, playing a high line and relying on their better offensive players to get them out of trouble. Not sure that would work particularly well with our team!
Not much of a team left, so it might!
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Probably not a popular opinion but I think the Steve Bould link is an encouraging one; he is hugely regarded at Arseanl, by all accounts a stern task master but has good footballing principles and philosophies. The recent success of Arsenal’s defence has largely been attributed to his coaching and work with them as a unit. Before he was involved within the first team setup Arseanl’s defence was absolutely ridiculed from pillar to post, Mertesacker was a joke and Koscielny was a light weight defender from the French second division. However, they have evolved into one the strongest units in the league and in my opinion Koscielny has developed into one of the most accomplished centre backs in the league.
I personally think he has the required coaching nouse for the job as well as the correct temperament and personality, he has also worked under Wenger for some time and you’d imagine some of that footballing style and ethos would have rubbed off on him somewhat.
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I wonder if David Moyes has given the OK to sign Craig Gardener
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I wonder if David Moyes has given the OK to sign Craig Gardener
Nope it was Chris Hughton or Dave Jones haha :'(
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no if reade his staying it looks like downing
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no if reade his staying it looks like downing
I dont understand what you are saying
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I dont understand what you are saying
Steve Reade may be staying? Do I not like that....
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Steve Reade may be staying? Do I not like that....
What the bloke who refused to shake the hand of his coach, one of the chain gang.Great >:(
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think they are getting mixed up with Jones that's how bad clubcall are mate
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I'm still not buying this Bould stuff. He's a number two. We don't want a number two. We did that with Clarke and it didn't work. We need a proven number one, someone who has the nous, ability and track record of adapting to problems on and off the pitch, but also (thinking positively) making the most of what they've got to encourage good, points-winning football.
Sherwood I would still consider a coach who got given the Spurs job through circumstances. He's unproven in my book. And he talks too much.
Moyes for me.
I bet Jol is desperate for this gig as well. I would place him head and shoulder above most of the other names mentioned too.
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We're interestingly linked with former Liverpool captain Sami Hyypia here:
Link: Here Is The City (http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/05/19/sp-three-english-clubs-eye-up-former-liverpool-captain-for-manag/)
Hyypia was head coach at Bayer Leverkusen until April 5th.
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I would love to Moyes at our club but I seriously do think were living in dreamland if we think he would come to the Baggies. I don't think we are big enough club for him tbh.
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We're interestingly linked with former Liverpool captain Sami Hyypia here:
Link: Here Is The City (http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/05/19/sp-three-english-clubs-eye-up-former-liverpool-captain-for-manag/)
Hyypia was head coach at Bayer Leverkusen until April 5th.
Can't see their being any legs with this one although Hyypia has the right qualities to be a successful manager. I think we will go for experience as we did successfully with Roy.
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I would love to Moyes at our club but I seriously do think were living in dreamland if we think he would come to the Baggies. I don't think we are big enough club for him tbh.
Point taken, but I'm always cautious about the adjective 'big' as applied to clubs. It's possible to overestimate Moyes's current standing and underestimate our stature as a club.
I've said it before here a few days ago, but the Board have spoken previously about the need to do their due diligence when it comes to recruitment. To not at least make that initial approach to Moyes's agent would be negligent. He can only say no, but he might well say yes.
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I would love to Moyes at our club but I seriously do think were living in dreamland if we think he would come to the Baggies. I don't think we are big enough club for him tbh.
Unless he goes abroad, who bigger than us is likely to be in for him? Villa? It is remarkably like the Hodgson situation, a big payoff so no money worries, and desperately wanting to prove he's not a busted flush. We could be ideal from his point of view.
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Unless he goes abroad, who bigger than us is likely to be in for him? Villa? It is remarkably like the Hodgson situation, a big payoff so no money worries, and desperately wanting to prove he's not a busted flush. We could be ideal from his point of view.
There's potential that Southampton, Newcastle and West Ham may be in for new managers. He could easily choose any of those I've us. It all depends on whether Pottechino goes Spurs and if the other clubs sack their managers
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Unless he goes abroad, who bigger than us is likely to be in for him? Villa? It is remarkably like the Hodgson situation, a big payoff so no money worries, and desperately wanting to prove he's not a busted flush. We could be ideal from his point of view.
Tempting prospect isn't he? However like others I feel he may be an unrealistic target, although with JP saying he wants a top coach who knows?
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The one huge drawback with Moyes is our European setup behind the scenes. He's used to having a Sir Alex, Arsene Wenger style of total rule. I think we'd have to make behind the scenes adjustments to accomodate the Scot. Something which I think we'd all be willing to accept to bring him in.
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There's potential that Southampton, Newcastle and West Ham may be in for new managers. He could easily choose any of those I've us. It all depends on whether Pottechino goes Spurs and if the other clubs sack their managers
Villa, Newcastle and West Ham managers all have the support of their owners at the mimute. Lets pick the one we want before they get the dreaded vote of confidence.
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Just stuck 20 on Moyes at 25/1 i think its a good bet at those odds!
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Don't believe in the bookies but still check for some reason. Hughton is new favourite
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The one huge drawback with Moyes is our European setup behind the scenes. He's used to having a Sir Alex, Arsene Wenger style of total rule. I think we'd have to make behind the scenes adjustments to accomodate the Scot. Something which I think we'd all be willing to accept to bring him in.
He's not managed under our type of set-up before so there's no assurances he'd be bad at it. And let's face it, Roy was probably used to total control and did well here. Moyes would also let go of some of the responsibility and risk of being in total control and potentially buggering it up again. Shows some versatility, care about his reputation and being part of our rebuild could be perfect. And let's face it, if he were to be involved and pick us up for a few seasons, I'd still doubt a big big job would come in for him after his United days - success with us doesn't mean that he'd be any better at a huge club like that so in theory he could be with us for a while.
First of all we need to get him, which would be a big ask. But stranger things have happened.
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Sami Hyypia target for West Brom, Norwich and Brighton
Former Liverpool captain, Sami Hyypia, is a target for West Bromwich albion, Norwich City and Brighton and Hove Albion to fill their vacant managerial positions reports HITC Sport.
Hyypia has found himself unemployed since being sacked by Bundesliga club Bayer Leverkusen in April and the former Anfield favourite has anticipated a move to England.
Despite his sacking, his managerial record is impressive with a win percentage of 54.35% over two years in Germany, one of which was as co-manager alongside Sascha Lewandowski. During both seasons, Hyypia managed to keep Leverkusen in the hunt for Champions League football for the majority which shows his managerial calibre.
On paper, the Finnish manager seems a good fit for all the clubs mentioned, none more so than Brighton who have struggled with continuity in recent years. .
However, the lure of the Premier League could prove strong for Hyypia to resist which undoubtedly makes West Brom the favourites to secure his signature.
http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sami-hyypia-target-for-west-brom-norwich-and-brighton/ (http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sami-hyypia-target-for-west-brom-norwich-and-brighton/)
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Sami Hyypia target for West Brom, Norwich and Brighton
Former Liverpool captain, Sami Hyypia, is a target for West Bromwich albion, Norwich City and Brighton and Hove Albion to fill their vacant managerial positions reports HITC Sport.
Hyypia has found himself unemployed since being sacked by Bundesliga club Bayer Leverkusen in April and the former Anfield favourite has anticipated a move to England.
Despite his sacking, his managerial record is impressive with a win percentage of 54.35% over two years in Germany, one of which was as co-manager alongside Sascha Lewandowski. During both seasons, Hyypia managed to keep Leverkusen in the hunt for Champions League football for the majority which shows his managerial calibre.
On paper, the Finnish manager seems a good fit for all the clubs mentioned, none more so than Brighton who have struggled with continuity in recent years. .
However, the lure of the Premier League could prove strong for Hyypia to resist which undoubtedly makes West Brom the favourites to secure his signature.
http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sami-hyypia-target-for-west-brom-norwich-and-brighton/ (http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sami-hyypia-target-for-west-brom-norwich-and-brighton/)
Typical 'unemployed manager + teams who need managers = story'
No indication that any of us are talking to him at all and the line about us being more attractive to him because we are Premier League is only valid if there was a bidding war. In all likelihood he won't go to any of those clubs and if he were it would be the Championship clubs he could build his way up with.
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JP dont you dare take on Chris Hughton >:(
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JP dont you dare take on Chris Hughton >:(
Oh dear!
http://www.irishpost.co.uk/sport/chris-hughton-will-be-interviewed-by-west-brom-for-managerial-role
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Oh dear!
http://www.irishpost.co.uk/sport/chris-hughton-will-be-interviewed-by-west-brom-for-managerial-role
If he gets the gig i will pick and choose games.
I have seen somewhere now a French chap called Renard who has just relegated his team is on the list
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Oh dear!
http://www.irishpost.co.uk/sport/chris-hughton-will-be-interviewed-by-west-brom-for-managerial-role
I'm sure we will be interviewing many potential managers that would fit into the 'Oh dear' category so I wouldn't read too much into it until we get down to the last 3
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-hotseat-could-best-7142351
West Bromwich Albion’s chances of offering David Moyes a quick return to the Premier League have improved given the fact there might not be as many top-flight vacancies this summer as first thought.
It emerged yesterday that, after two days of talks between Randy Lerner and Paul Lambert, Aston Villa had decided to persevere with the Scot.
Moyes, who was sacked as Manchester United coach after overseeing the club’s worst campaign in two decades, had been linked with the position at Villa Park but that will not now be an immediate option.
Another possible destination was Newcastle but it was announced last week that Mike Ashley was not minded to get rid of Alan Pardew, despite considerable supporter unrest.
And there won’t be a vacant office at West Ham either, given the owners’ apparent happiness with Sam Allardyce.
ll of which could leave Moyes surprisingly short of Premier League options with only Albion and Tottenham currently looking for a boss.
And Moyes is way behind Mauricio Pochettino, Rafa Benitez and Frank de Boer in the White Hart Lane betting, although the odds of him taking over at The Hawthorns are admittedly slightly longer – around 25-1.
However, sources close to Moyes suggest he is interested to hear what Albion have to say and while that clearly is a long way from an agreement, or even a face-to-face meeting, it does at least offer the club the chance to pull off an even bigger coup than when they brought Roy Hodgson back into the fold following his bruising time at Liverpool.
As things stand Albion are still sorting through the 50-plus applications they have received following Pepe Mel’s departure just over a week ago.
Chris Hughton and Malky Mackay have support among some and Keith Downing is also popular, but there is very little public backing for bookies’ frontrunner Dave Jones.
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Oh dear!
http://www.irishpost.co.uk/sport/chris-hughton-will-be-interviewed-by-west-brom-for-managerial-role
C´mon JP you can do better than that, you MUST do better than that. Spent nearly 20 million on 3 attackers and still got relegated!! I just dont see why this bloke keeps getting decent posts his record is pretty poor apart from a spell at the Blues!! >:(
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A mate of mine who usually hears a few things every now and then has just told me Moyes is heading up for talks with us tomorrow... I doubt it myself but you never know.
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A mate of mine who usually hears a few things every now and then has just told me Moyes is heading up for talks with us tomorrow... I doubt it myself but you never know.
If the mail report is correct about Newcastle, West Ham and Spurs then there's not much else on in England. If he looks back further than this season we were not too far behind Everton in previous seasons
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David Moyes will have talks with us, i have heard from reliable sources.Its talks.Doesn't mean to say he will come and sign
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Moyes might have had enough of the bright lights taster of big clubs and maybe wants to come to a club like ours where he feels comfortable and expectations are low. I'll keep clutching those straws until he is 'ruled out of the running' by Chris Lepkowski.
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I'm going to put a few quid on it while I can still get odds of 25/1.
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People say Moyes worked on a budget at Everton but his budget their was still tripple ours
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Can see it now Moyes made head coach and his first signing is Lukaku back on loan , getting one over his old club .
This magic mushroom brew is quite tasty.
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I'd snap your hands of for Moyes. I think he'd do well down the Albion.
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Hopefully the reports of Moyes being interested in speaking to us are true.
Be a big big coup for us. I find it hard not get my hopes up..
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Hopefully the reports of Moyes being interested in speaking to us are true.
Be a big big coup for us. I find it hard not get my hopes up..
What reports are these?
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What reports are these?
Was posted earlier in this thread.
The Birmingham Mail Link.
"However, sources close to Moyes suggest he is interested to hear what Albion have to say and while that clearly is a long way from an agreement, or even a face-to-face meeting, it does at least offer the club the chance to pull off an even bigger coup than when they brought Roy Hodgson back into the fold following his bruising time at Liverpool."
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-hotseat-could-best-7142351
It seems West ham are also sticking with Sam (really strong reports they are about to announce his continuation)... this is interesting, I really think we have a chance now. West Ham was the only real ones I was worried about, and maybe Celtic.
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Not a chance Moyes will come to us, West Ham would be on the phone as soon as we offer a contract :D It would be a big coup but be prepared for a yes man "Chris Hughton". :-X
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Not a chance Moyes will come to us, West Ham would be on the phone as soon as we offer a contact. :D It would be a big coup but be prepared for a yes man "Chris Hughton". :-X
West Ham are about to announce Sam is staying, we will have an even bigger chance from tomorrow... :D
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Not a chance Moyes will come to us, West Ham would be on the phone as soon as we offer a contract :D It would be a big coup but be prepared for a yes man "Chris Hughton". :-X
Would you have put money on Roy Hodgson joining us?
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Would you have put money on Roy Hodgson joining us?
If I remember correctly Roy originally rejected us , Dan Ashworth in the end convinced Roy to take the job. Question is can Burton and co convince Moyes to take the job.?.
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Yes with West Ham and Villa still carrying on with their current managers we stand a better chance, I have also heard we are prepared to match what Moyes wants financially
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Would you have put money on Roy Hodgson joining us?
Different circumstances though isn't it. Moyes isn't scrambling to repair his stock ready for the England job.
I would love it to be Moyes but we already pulled off a coup with Hodgson and lightning doesn't strike twice.
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Different circumstances though isn't it. Moyes isn't scrambling to repair his stock ready for the England job.
I would love it to be Moyes but we already pulled off a coup with Hodgson and lightning doesn't strike twice.
No but he is scrambling to revive his reputation.
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No need for pessimism on this, and nothing ventured nothing gained.
I agree, getting Moysey to fit into the club's admin structure might be a stumbling block, but I think it's easy to overplay this with speculating on 'control'.
As long as he has control over the team, and has a significant say over which kinds of signing need to be made I think that's akin to what most managers have anyway.
We're an attractive proposition, in that the Board are making the right noises at least and seem to have been shocked into action. Also with so many old faces gone or going it's almost a clean slate.
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So come on David Moyes, play like Hodgson's boys, go wild wild wild!!
Would be a great step forward if we could get Moyes. Going to have a few £ at 25/1
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No but he is scrambling to revive his reputation.
I think anyone who isn't an armchair United "fan" still sees him as a competent and quality manager, just not at the very top level.
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Steve Clarke down to 16/1, haha
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Could Ranieri be another name in the frame? He was touted for the job before Mel was appointed. An interesting development on the BBC website:
Claudio Ranieri is to leave his position as coach of Monaco after two years in charge, according to the French Ligue 1 club's vice-president Vadim Vasilyev.
Former Chelsea coach Ranieri, who was appointed in 2012 when Monaco were in Ligue 2, steered the principality club to second place in Ligue 1 this season
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No but he is scrambling to revive his reputation.
Think his reputation is still almost fully intact. Fergie was always going to be a big act to follow. Moyes should never have been appointed there in the first place IMO.
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Think his reputation is still almost fully intact. Fergie was always going to be a big act to follow. Moyes should never have been appointed there in the first place IMO.
I disagree he has become a laughing stock for many and he will want to rebuild his reputation. A club like us will provide him a good opportunity to do that. I do agree though Fergie was always going to be a big act to follow.
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I think Moyes is a complete non-starter. I can't see us been anywhere near attractive enough for him.
I'd say at the moment we are at our least attractive since we came up. We have way too much building to do and not enough money to do it all at once which is going to be a massive turn off for most managers.
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I think Moyes is a complete non-starter. I can't see us been anywhere near attractive enough for him.
I'd say at the moment we are at our least attractive since we came up. We have way too much building to do and not enough money to do it all at once which is going to be a massive turn off for most managers.
Agree. It would be great if he came here though one can dream!
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Agree. It would be great if he came here though one can dream!
I think your both wrong!
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Moyes cannot possibly be described as a "complete non starter". He may or may not get offered the job, he may or may not accept the job but he's no more a non starter than any other potential head coach.
From what I read and hear one day it's Sherwood another it's Moyes another it's Hughton. Press / media are scratching around for stories by the looks of it.
No-one has any real idea who the next head coach is likely to be.
I'll do it for 30K per year, can't get better terms than that Jezza and I'd do a bloody good job as well. 8) ;D
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Steve Clarke now 12/1?????????????????????
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Steve Clarke now 12/1?????????????????????
I'd be very, very ,very surprised if we went back for an ex head coach, doesn't make any sense. I don't kn ow who would back Clarke at 12/1 but I certainly wouldn't.
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Allardyce confirmed - staying with West Ham.
http://www.whufc.com/articles/20140520/west-ham-united-statement_2236884_3845462
Good news for us.
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I think your both wrong!
I think they could be wrong too ;)
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Steve Clarke now 12/1?????????????????????
Poppycock
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Steve Clarke needs to start at the bottom.He will not walk straight into a premier job
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Allardyce confirmed - staying with West Ham.
http://www.whufc.com/articles/20140520/west-ham-united-statement_2236884_3845462
Good news for us.
Talksport aka TalkLondon will be in overdrive tonight then!
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Talksport aka TalkLondon will be in overdrive tonight then!
One of their supporters has just said they need to be in the Premier by the time they re locate to the Olympic stadium.Maybe Sam is the best bet to keep them up.They aint happy though
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Moyes cannot possibly be described as a "complete non starter". He may or may not get offered the job, he may or may not accept the job but he's no more a non starter than any other potential head coach.
From what I read and hear one day it's Sherwood another it's Moyes another it's Hughton. Press / media are scratching around for stories by the looks of it.
No-one has any real idea who the next head coach is likely to be.
I'll do it for 30K per year, can't get better terms than that Jezza and I'd do a bloody good job as well. 8) ;D
The issue with Moyes is that he had complete control of the club whilst at Everton and I fear even if we agree terms etc it will hit a stumbling block when he is told he does not have sole control over transfers, I feel he just would not work under this kind of guidelines.
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He had a bigger budget with Everton.Dont expect a top 7th finish every year for the next 10 years :D
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The issue with Moyes is that he had complete control of the club whilst at Everton and I fear even if we agree terms etc it will hit a stumbling block when he is told he does not have sole control over transfers, I feel he just would not work under this kind of guidelines.
Very true. Hopefully with bringing in such a high profile manager such as Moyes then we would allow him a bit more of a say on who comes in.
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Have you heard anything regarding Moyes Baggie79?
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Hodgson has always had control. Didn't stop him. I would have thought the club would make sacrifices to get Moyes in, as much as Moyes would make sacrifices too.
We helped Roy rebuild his reputation. I hope Moyes sees that we can help him do the same thing .
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if he gets the same say as Roy had you just never know
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I expect the talks with Moyes (If they happen) to go like this :D
JP - Ok then Mr Moyes we would like to offer you a 3 year contract as our Head Coach.
DM - Wait a Head Coach ? I thought I was going to run things as a whole as a manager.
JP- Nope sorry you will be known as a Head Coach and you will be working with Burton and Garlick.
DM - Ok right can I bring Steve Round and Jimmy Lumsden in as my assistants and possibly a loan bid for Fellani.
JP - Nope you will be working with Dean Kiely and Kieth Downing and you will have a 2 million transfer kitty but you get players on a free with high wages.
DM - Sorry Mr Peace I cannot accept these terms but thank you for showing interest in me.
JP - Sorry we could not come to a agreement ,I wish you good luck for the future.
JP - "RICHARD" get Chris Hughton's agent on the phone now !
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The club gave Hodgson way more breathing space than either RDM before him or Clarke after transfer wise. Most his signings were the players he specifically wanted, the only ones that weren't strictly his were the free transfers of McAuley and Jones which were low risk and presumably low wage moves. Not too mention we actually let him spend in january, even if it was just 2m on Ridgewell.
Though I think the bigger sticking point would be Moyes would want to bring all his own staff and get rid of a lot of the ones here, as with Man U. When Hodgson came here he didn't bring any staff and Appleton/Downing just got promoted.
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I really think he will end up as our next manager as long as he wants to get straight back in to it rather than take a break (which personally I think he will do)
For me there's far more things pointing towards it being him than not.
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Roy had worked all over the place and never did have a large train of people with him coming in as background staff. So he 'travelled light' in that sense and was adaptable.
First and foremost he was responsible for the first team. I suspect any issues of 'control' over transfer were along the lines of him having a significant final say once the scouting staff and Dan Ashworth had drawn up a list.
I'm sure Moyes (or whoever else, lest I be accused of getting ahead of myself) would be happy with that kind of set up. I also think if it was him and Steve Round coming in he'd go for that.
No manager these days can have total control of recruitment and scouting. It's far too big a job. Make executive decisions yes. But run the whole show? Perhaps only Wenger micromanages to that degree.
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Have you heard anything regarding Moyes Baggie79?
Only that it is highly unlikely due to his backroom and transfer control requests but he has been sounded out from a far. Dont forget this is our structure and he has to fit into it and not vice versa.
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I expect the talks with Moyes (If they happen) to go like this :D
JP - Ok then Mr Moyes we would like to offer you a 3 year contract as our Head Coach.
DM - Wait a Head Coach ? I thought I was going to run things as a whole as a manager.
JP- Nope sorry you will be known as a Head Coach and you will be working with Burton and Garlick.
DM - Ok right can I bring Steve Round and Jimmy Lumsden in as my assistants and possibly a loan bid for Fellani.
JP - Nope you will be working with Dean Kiely and Kieth Downing and you will have a 2 million transfer kitty but you get players on a free with high wages.
DM - Sorry Mr Peace I cannot accept these terms but thank you for showing interest in me.
JP - Sorry we could not come to a agreement ,I wish you good luck for the future.
JP - "RICHARD" get Chris Hughton's agent on the phone now !
Excellent post just shows where we are at as a club under Peace
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I expect the talks with Moyes (If they happen) to go like this :D
JP - Ok then Mr Moyes we would like to offer you a 3 year contract as our Head Coach.
DM - Wait a Head Coach ? I thought I was going to run things as a whole as a manager.
JP- Nope sorry you will be known as a Head Coach and you will be working with Burton and Garlick.
DM - Ok right can I bring Steve Round and Jimmy Lumsden in as my assistants and possibly a loan bid for Fellani.
JP - Nope you will be working with Dean Kiely and Kieth Downing and you will have a 2 million transfer kitty but you get players on a free with high wages.
DM - Sorry Mr Peace I cannot accept these terms but thank you for showing interest in me.
JP - Sorry we could not come to a agreement ,I wish you good luck for the future.
JP - "RICHARD" get Chris Hughton's agent on the phone now !
Laugh out loud :D
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I expect the talks with Moyes (If they happen) to go like this :D
JP - Ok then Mr Moyes we would like to offer you a 3 year contract as our Head Coach.
DM - Wait a Head Coach ? I thought I was going to run things as a whole as a manager.
JP- Nope sorry you will be known as a Head Coach and you will be working with Burton and Garlick.
DM - Ok right can I bring Steve Round and Jimmy Lumsden in as my assistants and possibly a loan bid for Fellani.
JP - Nope you will be working with Dean Kiely and Kieth Downing and you will have a 2 million transfer kitty but you get players on a free with high wages.
DM - Sorry Mr Peace I cannot accept these terms but thank you for showing interest in me.
JP - Sorry we could not come to a agreement ,I wish you good luck for the future.
JP - "RICHARD" get Chris Hughton's agent on the phone now !
Chillingly accurate. Oh dear.
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Only that it is highly unlikely due to his backroom and transfer control requests but he has been sounded out from a far. Dont forget this is our structure and he has to fit into it and not vice versa.
So we're already trotting out a "Downing must stay" mantra to would-be applicants? After all that's gone on last season (and going back to Nov 2012), it really beggars belief.
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I still think it will be Hughton.
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I still think it will be Hughton.
It will not be Hughton.If he didn't get the gig last time whats different now, a failed manager who got sacked,Big difference
Like Clarke champioship at best
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It will not be Hughton.If he didn't get the gig last time whats different now, a failed manager who got sacked,Big difference
Like Clarke champioship at best
If Clarke was Championship at best what was Mel ? League 1/2?
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Moyes cannot possibly be described as a "complete non starter". He may or may not get offered the job, he may or may not accept the job but he's no more a non starter than any other potential head coach.
From what I read and hear one day it's Sherwood another it's Moyes another it's Hughton. Press / media are scratching around for stories by the looks of it.
No-one has any real idea who the next head coach is likely to be.
I'll do it for 30K per year, can't get better terms than that Jezza and I'd do a bloody good job as well. 8) ;D
I would say he's a non-starter because I do not think he will even consider taking our job. As much as I would love him to come he's just completely out of our league.
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If Clarke was Championship at best what was Mel ? League 1/2?
Very funny indeed, Clarke managed to turn the fans on each other with his dross. Pepe Mel galvanized the fans with his wanting to play football with his hands tied and high and mighty waste of space footballers.No body else would have done any better in the 4 months
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The criteria for the next Albion manager:
1. currently out of work.
2. failed in previous job.
3. willing to field a team of freebies and loans.
4. accept the word of Peace, Garlick and Jenkins at all times.
If you meet this criteria, feel free to apply.
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Very funny indeed, Clarke managed to turn the fans on each other with his dross. Pepe Mel galvanized the fans with his wanting to play football with his hands tied and high and mighty waste of space footballers.No body else would have done any better in the 4 months
Spot on JR easy to knock the bloke now he's gone, Clarkes dross was sending us down!
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The criteria for the next Albion manager:
1. currently out of work.
2. failed in previous job.
3. willing to field a team of freebies and loans.
4. accept the word of Peace, Garlick and Jenkins at all times.
If you meet this criteria, feel free to apply.
Also must get on well with the crocks/'seasoned pros'.
Still all points to Downing for me. A day after early bird season ticket deadline.
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If Clarke was Championship at best what was Mel ? League 1/2?
Someone who coached a struggling side to promotion then Europa League in two seasons. What's Clarke done?
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I doubt that it will be Hughton he will have the same control/staffing issues as Moyes and with a track record that would give the club even less reason to compromise.
To some extent Hughton was less of a failure than Moyes was last season but I think it is almost academic as neither will be likely to work in our structure. For this reason I suspect that an overseas coach (one with better English perhaps than Mel) might be the most likely appointee. I cannot see the club abandoning the concept of Technical Director and Head Coach particularly after just appointing Burton into the role.
With regard to coaches failing either they will have no experience at Premier League level or they will have failed because unless they have failed they will be in a Premier League job or similar and not be available or interested in ours. Moyes is available because he failed Roy was available because he failed Jol available because he failed and so on. All coaches fail at some point.
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My money is on Jol
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Only that it is highly unlikely due to his backroom and transfer control requests but he has been sounded out from a far. Dont forget this is our structure and he has to fit into it and not vice versa.
I reckon transfer issues would be easier to reach agreement on than back room staff.
If that's going to be a sticking point for Moyes it will be for others.
Who else is available who is a) good, b) has a track record and who c) comes either alone or at most as part of a head coach + number 2 set up?
God, if only the modern equivalent of Clough and Taylor was out there...
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Not being funny but if we are serious about next season and serious about Moyes we should move mountains for the bloke and if that means sacking Kiely and Downing so he can bring in his own team so be it.
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Not being funny but if we are serious about next season and serious about Moyes we should move mountains for the bloke and if that means sacking Kiely and Downing so he can bring in his own team so be it.
Agreed totally but in our establishment's eyes, Tweedledum and Tweedledee can do no wrong; they're part of the furniture unfortunately. It's not that I don't like them AT ALL, just that they are a constant stumbling block for any prospect wanting to bring their own boys in.
TIME FOR CHANGE MR. PEACE. Great start with the cull, now keep on. Swear to God if we end up with someone like Hughton I'm off to Espanyol!!!
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The more I think about it, the more I think it will be Jol.
The person we go for has to have perm managerial experience. I just can't see us plumping for a Steve Bould character.
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Why on earth would Moyes come to us? Sorry but a non starter for me.
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Probably a long shot but I have a feeling he might have been approached before - what about Claudio Ranieri? He's just left Monaco - has excellent track record and probably wouldn't attract a top class club anymore. Sort of similar to Hodgson.
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Probably a long shot but I have a feeling he might have been approached before - what about Claudio Ranieri? He's just left Monaco - has excellent track record and probably wouldn't attract a top class club anymore. Sort of similar to Hodgson.
It would be very ambitious and I'd be all for it! Can't see it happening though, surely some big club with money will get him. Monaco to West Bromwich?
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JP dont you dare take on Chris Hughton >:(
He was taking Hughton before we appointed Roy, everything was agreed personal terms etc but then roy put his interest in the job so we cancelled talks
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i cannot for the life of me understand why JP would let a chance of a good coach slip through our hands to keep pinky and perky, are they really that good and could you imagine either turning down a job elseware if it came along.
let whoever bring in his own staff they probable will be better anyway and there is not any loyalty in football
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Hey JP is it too late to talk to Pepe Mel, I've heard he's quite good with a bit of support....
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He was taking Hughton before we appointed Roy, everything was agreed personal terms etc but then roy put his interest in the job so we cancelled talks
Failed miserably since though
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Hey JP is it too late to talk to Pepe Mel, I've heard he's quite good with a bit of support....
Still amazes me hes gone when he was the ideal candidate
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Failed miserably since though
Did good at Birmingham in between, offered him the job,he said no due to his staff not coming with + Birmingham refused and dug their heels in and we went with Clarke instead. Hughton went to Norwich and the rest is history. Really we've offered the job to him twice.
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A reliable source has informed me that Steve Clarke will be getting his job back with us after the weekend. Skybet had him at 20/1 this morning and are down to 12/1 now. Paddy power have gone from 33/1 to 14/1. Not to sure how much we should read into this, but just thought I'd put it out there. Watch this space!!
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A reliable source has informed me that Steve Clarke will be getting his job back with us after the weekend. Skybet had him at 20/1 this morning and are down to 12/1 now. Paddy power have gone from 33/1 to 14/1. Not to sure how much we should read into this, but just thought I'd put it out there. Watch this space!!
There's more chance of Messi signing for us. ;D
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A reliable source has informed me that Steve Clarke will be getting his job back with us after the weekend. Skybet had him at 20/1 this morning and are down to 12/1 now. Paddy power have gone from 33/1 to 14/1. Not to sure how much we should read into this, but just thought I'd put it out there. Watch this space!!
I would rather eat my own scrotum than this be true.
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Reliable source been on the sauce
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Hughton won't come because he demands his own back room staff. Would be the likely sticking point for many seasoned managers too.
If we are really going to attract an experienced head coach, DK and KD need to be moved on to make way for new back room staff. Simple equation really.
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I would rather eat my own scrotum than this be true.
That is hilarious, his track record was dreadful! Never in a million billion years. More likely to be Steve Bull
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Hughton won't come because he demands his own back room staff. Would be the likely sticking point for many seasoned managers too.
If we are really going to attract an experienced head coach, DK and KD need to be moved on to make way for new back room staff. Simple equation really.
I think a new head coach may be happy to keep DK as goalkeeping coach but would want to bring in a new assistant to replace KD.
I believe that the hatred of these two has come about because Mel was so well liked and supporters need somebody to blame.
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A reliable source has informed me that Steve Clarke will be getting his job back with us after the weekend. Skybet had him at 20/1 this morning and are down to 12/1 now. Paddy power have gone from 33/1 to 14/1. Not to sure how much we should read into this, but just thought I'd put it out there. Watch this space!!
I want some of what your source has been taking.
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I don't think there is any possibility that Clarke will be back. There is a rumour doing the rounds people have heard the rumour bet on Clarke odds have plummeted. Tomorrow there will be another rumour I'm thinking about starting it myself just for the craic how about David O'Leary? You heard it here first :D
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Failed miserably since though
I don't necessarily think Hughton has failed miserably since
He kept Norwich up (in the end with relative ease) in what has traditionally been called 'second season syndrome', and then after that you really have to question their transfer policy - it may be that Hughton has been part of that I don't know!
Nevrtheless at a cost of at least 13million they have acquired Van Wolfskwinkel, Hooper and Becchio (and Elmander on loan) and lost Holt/Morisson/Jackson. The latter scored 27 first season in premiership between them, 10 the second (morisson leaving half way through), their multi million pound replacements managed 8 between them (beccio being there a season and a half in that total)
If we had bought 4 strikers who cost us £over 1,5 million a goal each in the premiership since their arrival would our fingers be pointing at clarke/mel or garlick/peace. Is this Hughton not being good enough to get the best out of players, or just too much replacing with people not good enough to hit the ground running first season in the premiership
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I think a new head coach may be happy to keep DK as goalkeeping coach but would want to bring in a new assistant to replace KD.
I believe that the hatred of these two has come about because Mel was so well liked and supporters need somebody to blame.
Downing doesn't really need moving either if we want him to stay so bad, after all he worked with Keen as joint assistants during Clarke's reign.
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:D Got a feeling its going to be Martin Jol.
I would be ok with this as we would have stability and he would rule the "roost"and have control of the dressing room >:(
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Agree. It would be great if he came here though one can dream!
You Moyes fans have lost me - I just dont see the attraction...what has he done in his career that makes you think he can achieve our ambitions ?(which I see as finishing somehwere between 8th and 14th and safe by Easter + some kind of a chance of winning one of the cups).
Everton did get the league finishes but not get close to winning a cup.
I agree Everton did have a decent transfer record, but they had a bigger budget.
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You Moyes fans have lost me - I just dont see the attraction...what has he done in his career that makes you think he can achieve our ambitions ?(which I see as finishing somehwere between 8th and 14th and safe by Easter + some kind of a chance of winning one of the cups).
Everton did get the league finishes but not get close to winning a cup.
I agree Everton did have a decent transfer record, but they had a bigger budget.
What apart from finishing between 8th and 10th every season and getting close to winning the FA cup you mean?
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:D Got a feeling its going to be Martin Jol.
I would be ok with this as we would have stability and he would rule the "roost"and have control of the dressing room >:(
I would be happy with this, he's one of our Old Boys which would help him hit the ground running.
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You Moyes fans have lost me - I just dont see the attraction...what has he done in his career that makes you think he can achieve our ambitions ?(which I see as finishing somehwere between 8th and 14th and safe by Easter + some kind of a chance of winning one of the cups).
Everton did get the league finishes but not get close to winning a cup.
I agree Everton did have a decent transfer record, but they had a bigger budget.
I agree with you. I always considered that Moyes constantly under-achieved at Everton; a club with considerable stature and a far higher budget/fan-base that ours. He was quickly found out at Man Utd. I don't want him anywhere near us, but I doubt very much he'd want the job anyway, he'll wait till a 'bigger' club comes in for him. My money would be on the vile; and then he can take them down! :D
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I agree with you. I always considered that Moyes constantly under-achieved at Everton; a club with considerable stature and a far higher budget/fan-base that ours. He was quickly found out at Man Utd. I don't want him anywhere near us, but I doubt very much he'd want the job anyway, he'll wait till a 'bigger' club comes in for him. My money would be on the vile; and then he can take them down! :D
By the way, I voted for McInnes for what its worth.
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Russel Slade now linked.
Madness
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Reliable source been on the sauce
lol as is most of what people chat in transfer windows, it makes for funny reading though, there looking for attention more than anything.
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Russel Slade now linked.
Madness
Can someone tell me why ???
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Can someone tell me why ???
It's all guess work. We've been linked with about 10-15 managers since Mel has gone. Says it all really, no on ehas got a clue.
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It's all guess work. We've been linked with about 10-15 managers since Mel has gone. Says it all really, no on ehas got a clue.
I just don't understand why these type of names keep being mentioned.What warrents this guy being linked?
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I think downing Is the best option. Knows the players, is flexible with formations, selections as shown in his short tenure. Worked under hodgson Clarke and mel so obviously knows his stuff. And most importantly of all, he has the respect of Jeremy peace which helps out re transfers. He is an extremely good coach and if he had the opportunity to bring 1-2 people in to help him then I think that would be perfect.
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I have no idea why Russell Slade has been linked but he is as likely to be our next coach as David Moyes and would probably be no worse in truth. If you look at Slade's career he has over achieved operating on a shoestring budgets dragging teams that looked doomed to relegation to safety and turning Orient into promotion contenders. By comparison Moyes has had a silver spoon in his mouth and achieved very little. In some respects I would be happier with Slade than many of the bigger names routinely linked with the job.
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I think downing Is the best option. Knows the players, is flexible with formations, selections as shown in his short tenure. Worked under hodgson Clarke and mel so obviously knows his stuff. And most importantly of all, he has the respect of Jeremy peace which helps out re transfers. He is an extremely good coach and if he had the opportunity to bring 1-2 people in to help him then I think that would be perfect.
too comfortable.Needs to move on for all of our sakes
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too comfortable.Needs to move on for all of our sakes
Completely disagree, kiely an downing basically kept us up this season. The mini revival at the end of the season was down to them. If we had a better team then I'm sure they could do a good job for us. Also the perfect coach that could help them? Terry burton...
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You Moyes fans have lost me - I just dont see the attraction...what has he done in his career that makes you think he can achieve our ambitions ?(which I see as finishing somehwere between 8th and 14th and safe by Easter + some kind of a chance of winning one of the cups).
Everton did get the league finishes but not get close to winning a cup.
I agree Everton did have a decent transfer record, but they had a bigger budget.
How about only Fergie and Wenger have won Manager of the Month more times - has to be doing something right.
Also if you look back at Everton's net transfer spend it was never more than £5-6 million and in most years they took more in transfer fees than they spent. So not really used to a bigger transfer budget.
He also has a lot to prove after last season.
I'm not sure if I want him or not - but I can see the attraction.
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Russel Slade now linked.
Madness
Just another name to fuel the fire that is the media circus.
Doubt anyone will know anything until the deed is almost done.
Just sit it out and enjoy the speculation.
Plus you know Jezza wont appoint anybody until 1st July so that he doesnt have to waste a few weeks wages.
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Ranieri has just left Monaco. That is the sort of manager I would like to see at the helm.
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Ranieri has just left Monaco. That is the sort of manager I would like to see at the helm.
Was his time there successful?not being funny but i don't follow the French leagues
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I swear we've been linked with Ranieri for the last 5 managerial searches...
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I'm finding a lot of the reports are now quite amusing because its all so much of a guessing game.
This Herve Renard bloke (known as Foxy to his mates?) has recently been in charge of a relegated Ligue 1 side, and had a bad time at Cambridge Utd a few years ago. Not the man for us methinks.
Russell Slade though...has a track record of sorts in the lower leagues and has done extremely well with Orient. There's a precedent for Albion going with a manager with a reputation forged lower down the leagues (Ron Atikinson) and I'm not against giving blokes who've cut their teeth lower down a chance in the Premier. But football management is even more merciless these days, and I think it'd kill the bloke if he didn't preside over a very good start to the season.
Ranieri? No ta. If we were join to get him we should have done it before the Monaco move, and I wasn't keen on it then.
Still backing Moyes, mainly because he's got form as being a safe pair of hands at a club where expectations are not overbearingly high.
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I'm finding a lot of the reports are now quite amusing because its all so much of a guessing game.
This Herve Renard bloke (known as Foxy to his mates?) has recently been in charge of a relegated Ligue 1 side, and had a bad time at Cambridge Utd a few years ago. Not the man for us methinks.
Russell Slade though...has a track record of sorts in the lower leagues and has done extremely well with Orient. There's a precedent for Albion going with a manager with a reputation forged lower down the leagues (Ron Atikinson) and I'm not against giving blokes who've cut their teeth lower down a chance in the Premier. But football management is even more merciless these days, and I think it'd kill the bloke if he didn't preside over a very good start to the season.
Ranieri? No ta. If we were join to get him we should have done it before the Monaco move, and I wasn't keen on it then.
Still backing Moyes, mainly because he's got form as being a safe pair of hands at a club where expectations are not overbearingly high.
Anyone remember his time at Yeovil
Its a joke his name can even be considered for a premier league club.Shame on the lazy journalists who cant find any decent news
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The players were not playing for Mel in those final three games he simply didn't have it in him to galvanise them or whatever you want to put down to those performances.
I'd like to think if as reported Downing and Kiely had a strong hold over tactics etc after the meeting about Mel's philosophy then Mel would have been given free reign for those final 3 games which meant nothing and a chance for him to show what he is capable of. He simply was not a strong enough character and not speaking English seems to have hindered him hugely.
I think the board certainly saw it this way. He was sacked because he proved himself to be not good enough in the end. Nothing to do with us not wanting to overhaul the squad because we are doing exactly that now without him.
They obviously weren't playing for Downing and Kiely either then.
Never mind eh.Lets hope JP gets it right for all of us next time
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In reality it should be a very short list.
I'm sure most Baggies agree that the criteria is as follows:
Experienced Premier League manager (100+ games)
Not an Ex Albion Manager
Currently unemployed
Not been out of a job for more than a few seasons
30% plus win rate in PL
I looked into it and came up with this:
MANAGER MATCHES WON DRAWN LOST WIN %
Claudio Ranieri 146 76 37 33 52%
David Moyes 461 190 129 142 41%
Ruud Gullit 104 41 26 37 39%
Martin Jol 202 75 51 76 37%
Alan Curbishley 328 108 85 135 33%
Peter Reid 227 74 60 93 33%
Stuart Pearce 104 32 26 46 31%
If this is what we are looking at them it is slim pickings with only Moyes, Ranieri or Jol of any interest to me.
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In reality it should be a very short list.
I'm sure most Baggies agree that the criteria is as follows:
Experienced Premier League manager (100+ games)
Not an Ex Albion Manager
Currently unemployed
Not been out of a job for more than a few seasons
30% plus win rate in PL
I looked into it and came up with this:
MANAGER MATCHES WON DRAWN LOST WIN %
Claudio Ranieri 146 76 37 33 52%
David Moyes 461 190 129 142 41%
Ruud Gullit 104 41 26 37 39%
Martin Jol 202 75 51 76 37%
Alan Curbishley 328 108 85 135 33%
Peter Reid 227 74 60 93 33%
Stuart Pearce 104 32 26 46 31%
If this is what we are looking at them it is slim pickings with only Moyes, Ranieri or Jol of any interest to me.
Cross Stuart Pearce off that list. Stuart is starting at Nottingham Forest on 1st June or 1st July.
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Maybe we will finally sign Ruud Gullit after turning him down as a youngster when Vic Buckingham offered him to us as a 17-18 year old lad but we declined the opportunity!!!
Id like to see us with a coach who plays attractive football, so anyone of the Dutch contingent I feel would do well here. Jol, Rijkaard or Gullit
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In reality it should be a very short list.
I'm sure most Baggies agree that the criteria is as follows:
Experienced Premier League manager (100+ games)
Not an Ex Albion Manager
Currently unemployed
Not been out of a job for more than a few seasons
30% plus win rate in PL
I looked into it and came up with this:
MANAGER MATCHES WON DRAWN LOST WIN %
Claudio Ranieri 146 76 37 33 52%
David Moyes 461 190 129 142 41%
Ruud Gullit 104 41 26 37 39%
Martin Jol 202 75 51 76 37%
Alan Curbishley 328 108 85 135 33%
Peter Reid 227 74 60 93 33%
Stuart Pearce 104 32 26 46 31%
If this is what we are looking at them it is slim pickings with only Moyes, Ranieri or Jol of any interest to me.
Take away those that won't want to work as part of our current set up. Who does that leave?
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Take away those that won't want to work as part of our current set up. Who does that leave?
Keith Downing I am afraid !!!
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All of them?
I've got no doubt if Moyes is available then compromises will be made. That doesn't mean (and nor should it in my opinion) that we will bend over and give him everything he wants but I can't believe if he was happy to join us on the condition he could bring Round in with him we would dig our heels in.
No point going in to the Peace debate but he will do what he thinks it's takes to keep us up, as evidenced by the sacking of Clarke and the near sacking of Mel after just 6 weeks. He has seen what a manager like Hodgson can do for us and the extra £1m a year he might command in wages is worth it. JP gets stick, some deserved some not but he's a businessman first and foremost on Moyes is a close to a sound investment you can get in football/at a club of our level. I cant agree with anyone who thinks IF Moyes is available on reasonable terms he wont pay that bit extra compared to someone who could be described as the cheap option.
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All of them?
I've got no doubt if Moyes is available then compromises will be made. That doesn't mean (and nor should it in my opinion) that we will bend over and give him everything he wants but I can't believe if he was happy to join us on the condition he could bring Round in with him we would dig our heels in.
No point going in to the Peace debate but he will do what he thinks it's takes to keep us up, as evidenced by the sacking of Clarke and the near sacking of Mel after just 6 weeks. He has seen what a manager like Hodgson can do for us and the extra £1m a year he might command in wages is worth it. JP gets stick, some deserved some not but he's a businessman first and foremost on Moyes is a close to a sound investment you can get in football/at a club of our level. I cant agree with anyone who thinks IF Moyes is available on reasonable terms he wont pay that bit extra compared to someone who could be described as the cheap option.
Agreed. As others have said though the deal breakers will be a) does Moysey WANT to manage the Albion, and b) do those he wants to bring on to the coaching staff fit with the existing structure.
They've said KD and DK must stay, but have they said in what capacity? If DK sticks to goalkeeping, that means KD can drop back to be a general coach like he was under Roy, rather than the number 2.
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I think Moyes is close with Chris Woods which could be an issue with the GK position. I think could find room for Round plus maybe 1 other like Lumsden is that was the only issue.
I still have a hunch we will end up with him IF he wants a job this summer. I see our only competition being Southampton and I don't think they will approach him leaving us or him hanging about waiting for a job mid season.
Would you rather join a club now, have a full pre season & over see the signing of up to 10/11 new signings or take over a club in December who have just sacked their manager because they are in the bottom 3.
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Agreed. As others have said though the deal breakers will be a) does Moysey WANT to manage the Albion, and b) do those he wants to bring on to the coaching staff fit with the existing structure.
They've said KD and DK must stay, but have they said in what capacity? If DK sticks to goalkeeping, that means KD can drop back to be a general coach like he was under Roy, rather than the number 2.
How about DK goes into a new role of collecting football into a bag at the end of someone else's training session, and KD can enjoy a new role as manager...at another club.
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Was his time there successful?not being funny but i don't follow the French leagues
They finished runners up to PSG. Only lost 4 games all season, granted with a big budget squad but Falcao had been injured for a large chunk which was a massive blow.
To anybody who is turning their nose up at the likes of Ranieri or Moyes for that matter, you need a bit of a reality check. If we managed either of them it would be naked cartwheel time.
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Monaco got the highest points total to never win the league, in their first season back. They're massively backed but as Mark Hughes showed at Man City, that's no guarantee of success.
You don't manage the standard of clubs Ranieri continuously has for the last 20 years without being a top manager. We held talks with him before Clarke but frankly i'm not sure he'd want to come here, he did a good job at Monaco and could probably get a Europe challenging team but if there's any chance of him coming here we should be seeking him out.
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I honestly think it'll be Hughton, hope I'm wrong.
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I know his name keeps cropping up but I really cant see it being Hughton at all. We may well interview him at some stage and I have no doubt he will linked countless times over the next month but I just don't see any reason at all he would get the job.
We could of offered it to him twice already and both times chose other candidates. Once he had just got harshly sacked at Newcastle and another time he had just finished a great job at Blues by taking them in to the play off's. If we didn't want him then why would we go for him now after he's just taken down a very expensive Norwich side playing some of the most boring and uninspired football in the PL.
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I know his name keeps cropping up but I really cant see it being Hughton at all. We may well interview him at some stage and I have no doubt he will linked countless times over the next month but I just don't see any reason at all he would get the job.
We could of offered it to him twice already and both times chose other candidates. Once he had just got harshly sacked at Newcastle and another time he had just finished a great job at Blues by taking them in to the play off's. If we didn't want him then why would we go for him now after he's just taken down a very expensive Norwich side playing some of the most boring and uninspired football in the PL.
I think he'll be an option if we don't get our first choice e.g. If Moyes was our first choice and we couldn't attract him here we'd go for Hughton.
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In reality it should be a very short list.
I'm sure most Baggies agree that the criteria is as follows:
Experienced Premier League manager (100+ games)
Not an Ex Albion Manager
Currently unemployed
Not been out of a job for more than a few seasons
30% plus win rate in PL
I looked into it and came up with this:
MANAGER MATCHES WON DRAWN LOST WIN %
Claudio Ranieri 146 76 37 33 52%
David Moyes 461 190 129 142 41%
Ruud Gullit 104 41 26 37 39%
Martin Jol 202 75 51 76 37%
Alan Curbishley 328 108 85 135 33%
Peter Reid 227 74 60 93 33%
Stuart Pearce 104 32 26 46 31%
If this is what we are looking at them it is slim pickings with only Moyes, Ranieri or Jol of any interest to me.
It really is this simple.... If either Jol, Moyes or Ranieri are interested in the job and we can work something out, then one of them should be our next head coach. Hopefully we have been sounding these guys out and if its a no go then we move down the list.
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Hughton is a Championship manager.He got the boot from Newcastle and Norwich because he cant handle the next level.Ok he did ok with both Newcastle and Blues but that was both in the league below us
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It really is this simple.... If either Jol, Moyes or Ranieri are interested in the job and we can work something out, then one of them should be our next head coach. Hopefully we have been sounding these guys out and if its a no go then we move down the list.
I can cope with those 3 names but not Hughton, Malky or Jones.Simple the club get my money if they choose correctly
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I can cope with those 3 names but not Hughton, Malky or Jones.Simple the club get my money if they choose correctly
For me you can add Downing, Lennon, Sherwood, Zola, Curbishley, Di Canio, Hoddle & Keane to that No list.
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Hughton is a Championship manager.He got the boot from Newcastle and Norwich because he cant handle the next level.Ok he did ok with both Newcastle and Blues but that was both in the league below us
He took Newcastle back into the Prem at the first attempt and they were something like 8th when he got the sack from them, so I'm not sure you can say he can't handle the next level....although the way Norwich performed was a worry.
I don't want him as head coach though.
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Hughton wouldn't be my choice, but if he was to get the job I wouldn't mind him going back to sign Redmond. Think he had him at Blues as well.
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Not sure of the accuracy of this site but my calculations say that Albion have spent more Net than Everton during Moyes time in charge at Goodison from 2002.
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/everton-transfers.html
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/west-bromwich-albion-transfers.html
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Not sure of the accuracy of this site but my calculations say that Albion have spent more Net than Everton during Moyes time in charge at Goodison from 2002.
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/everton-transfers.html
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/west-bromwich-albion-transfers.html
It's not really the transfer fee, its the wage budget that is important. Theirs has always been significantly more.
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Maybe Peace is waiting for McLaren
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Martin Jol makes the most sense, I'd also be very happy with him, his record overall is amazing. At 25/1 I may put 20 on it. Moyes also makes sense but seems less likely. Could be waiting on McLaren but that'd involve a severance package.
I wonder if they've considered Rosler?
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It's not really the transfer fee, its the wage budget that is important. Theirs has always been significantly more.
May be so, but they have also had a debt problem for years, Moyes coming to us is unlikely, but I would not say it was impossible.
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Although it is unlikely we will go for someone in a job already, I don't think it can be totally ruled out. We paid compensation for both Mowbray and RDM.
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Although it is unlikely we will go for someone in a job already, I don't think it can be totally ruled out. We paid compensation for both Mowbray and RDM.
This is why i have a feeling about McLaren
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Anyone considered Paul cook as next manager, up and coming manager with a bright future .Could be about the right price range too,Add him to the list .
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Anyone considered Paul cook as next manager, up and coming manager with a bright future .Could be about the right price range too,Add him to the list .
Hes a dingle along with Downing. not enough experience either.We cant be looking at league1/2 coaches surely.I cant believe the link with Russel Slade.
If we are going to continue being in this league we need more high profile with experience
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Hes a dingle along with Downing. not enough experience either.We cant be looking at league1/2 coaches surely.I cant believe the link with Russel Slade.
If we are going to continue being in this league we need more high profile with experience
Just because someone had some sort of association with the Wolves 20 years ago cannot be allowed to disqualify them for a job with us. Secondly one of the criticisms of Clarke was that he should have got experience of being the Head Coach in the lower leagues the very thing that Slade and Cook have done and now are being dammed for doing because they don't have experience in the Premier League. Nearly every half decent coach started in the lower the leagues the ones that I am most suspicious of are the ones that were parachuted in at the top by dint of them being high profile ex players with big clubs.
Cook and Slade both have a lot of hard won experience and they should not be dismissed out of hand.
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Maybe Peace is waiting for McLaren
Good shout. I think this could be the case. Perfect for us IMO.
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McLaren would be a superb manager to get.
If Moyes, Jol, McLaren and such are in contention then that will be a big thumbs up from me.
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Neil Lennon has just resigned. He must be planning to end up somewhere....
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Neil Lennon has just resigned. He must be planning to end up somewhere....
Oh dear :D
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Neil Lennon has just resigned. He must be planning to end up somewhere....
That might be a double boot in the balls for us.
Maybe Moyes would see them as a better option with European football and all.
Lennon will undoubtably be linked with us.
Boom boom.
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Are we the only Premier league team with a coach/manager?
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Lennon would be a car crash of an appointment. Not going to happen.
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Interesting developments. Moyes to Celtic nailed on IMO.
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Interesting developments. Moyes to Celtic nailed on IMO.
Isn't Moyes a Rangers man.The only pull for him there would obviously be Champions league
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Interesting developments. Moyes to Celtic nailed on IMO.
Yes I agree........with the last 10 mths of his CV not looking so great......go for a team that there will be nailed on honours. I think any job in the SPL would show lack of ambition but understandable given what the bloke has just endured.
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Isn't Moyes a Rangers man.The only pull for him there would obviously be Champions league
It would be like a little holiday for him. Moyes would win things there by default and would be taken out of the EPL glare for a while.
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Neil Lennon has just resigned. He must be planning to end up somewhere....
Oh man, i said downing and dave jones would be the worst possible coaches but now lennon's in the fold ive changed my mind.
Please no no no
To see that horrible ba##### in blue and white would put me off going up to the matches thats for sure.
I could never vocally suport a club that has neil lennon in charge
I would literally cry i think
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Isn't Moyes a Rangers man.The only pull for him there would obviously be Champions league
Thats a hell of a pull from a managers perspective though
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Please dont let WBA announce a press conference within the next 24 hours ffs !!
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Isn't Moyes a Rangers man.The only pull for him there would obviously be Champions league
Not sure but he did start his career with Celtic. If ever there is a club to easily rebuild your career it is Celtic who have no competition whatsoever in Scotland.
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Worst possible scenario for me if this, cant stand the bloke!
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Another twist could be Lennon going to Naarwich and Malky coming to us. Either way I agree, think Moyes would be keen on a return to Scotland.
Not happy.
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Can somebody tell me why there's so much dislike towards him? I know he's managed at Celtic which by default isn't the hardest of jobs, which is a reason to maybe not champion his arrival, but why the dislike?
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Isn't Moyes a Rangers man.The only pull for him there would obviously be Champions league
What for one round?
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If Lennon is appointed give the bloke a chance for christ sakes :D
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Theme for next year when he gets us into europe.Ginger wigs
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Seriously, why'd he be so bad!!?
Unproven yes but people are reacting like it'd thick mick or something
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Seriously, why'd he be so bad!!?
Unproven yes but people are reacting like it'd thick mick or something
I would not be against his appointment.Passionate bloke, touchline tracky manager
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It would be like appointing an ex villa or wolves manager for the rangers minority we have, it's big no from me would rather milky mackay came.
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He took Newcastle back into the Prem at the first attempt and they were something like 8th when he got the sack from them, so I'm not sure you can say he can't handle the next level....although the way Norwich performed was a worry.
Hughton's achievements at Newcastle and Blues are nothing to be lauded, his Newcastle squad that was promoted from the Championship contained; Fabricio Coloccini, José Enrique, Kevin Nolan, Joey Barton, Wayne Routledge, Tim Krul, Ryan Taylor, Alan Smith, Jonás Gutiérrez, Nicky Butt, Andy Carroll and Danny Guthrie.
He added Cheick Tioté and Ben Arfa in the following summer and he was sacked with the club in 11th position, yet just a few points off relegation, having seen us whack 3 past them at the Hawthorns in his last game.
Again he inherited a strong squad at Blues containing the likes of Curtis Davies, Stephen Carr, Scott Dann, Jean Beausejour, Steven Caldwell, Marlon King, Andros Townsend (loan), Jordon Mutch and Nikola Žigic. This time around he made the play offs but failed to get them promoted.
His record at Newcastle and Blues was the minimum expected for the squads they had. In my opinion he has achieved very little of note in his career in management.
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lennon must be going to Norwich i would think, certainly not here i hope were blue and white ffs
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Worst possible scenario for me if this, cant stand the bloke!
worst possible scenario!! REALLY???
I think i could come up with a dozen worse scenarios in less than 30 seconds!!
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worst possible scenario!! REALLY???
I think i could come up with a dozen worse scenarios in less than 30 seconds!!
Not a nice person by any stretch of the imagination. He celebrates a Celtic win as if they'd won the World Cup - and yet the opposition is third class. What a self conceited plonker.
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I don't want Neil Lennon anywhere near this football club.
Extremely over-rated manager and a tosser as well. No thanks.
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Lennon is a very divisive character - Marmite - there is no in-between.
A constant moaner who has won the Scottish Pub League three times with resources ten times that of any of the opposition.
I really do not want him anywhere near Albion.
Thankfully he is almost certainly Norwich bound, the Chief Executive there is an ex Celtic man who is big pals.
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Personally think the guy is an absolute tosser. Would rather appoint almost anyone else. Apart from the fact I think he has proved absolutely nothing in his career and wouldn't want him even if it was based purely on his managerial ability I cant stand the thought of us having a manager I actively dislike.
Fortunately cant see it happening. he cant be lined up to come to us as it stands. No way we could agree everything with Lennon and them him leave by mutual consent only to walk in to a job with us the next day, Celtic would want the compensation. We could however interview him at some point and I imagine we would make a couple of enquiries.
However, manager with a budget probably 10 times bigger than the rest of the league put together walks out of his job because he wants more money to spend. Doesn't sound like the kind of manager JP will be rushing to interview.
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He would certainly split the fans that's for sure
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It would be like appointing an ex villa or wolves manager for the rangers minority we have, it's big no from me would rather milky mackay came.
Never understood this Albion / Rangers love in. What they have to do with us I have no idea.
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He would certainly split the fans that's for sure
All of Pepe Mels work undone then
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I would not be against his appointment.Passionate bloke, touchline tracky manager
Touchline ban within the first month of the season, he wont get away with anything down here that he does in Scotland. Only experience he has in management is in a pathetic league with absolutely no competition, its a definite no from me.
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Hughton's achievements at Newcastle and Blues are nothing to be lauded, his Newcastle squad that was promoted from the Championship contained; Fabricio Coloccini, José Enrique, Kevin Nolan, Joey Barton, Wayne Routledge, Tim Krul, Ryan Taylor, Alan Smith, Jonás Gutiérrez, Nicky Butt, Andy Carroll and Danny Guthrie.
He added Cheick Tioté and Ben Arfa in the following summer and he was sacked with the club in 11th position, yet just a few points off relegation, having seen us whack 3 past them at the Hawthorns in his last game.
Again he inherited a strong squad at Blues containing the likes of Curtis Davies, Stephen Carr, Scott Dann, Jean Beausejour, Steven Caldwell, Marlon King, Andros Townsend (loan), Jordon Mutch and Nikola Žigic. This time around he made the play offs but failed to get them promoted.
His record at Newcastle and Blues was the minimum expected for the squads they had. In my opinion he has achieved very little of note in his career in management.
which was why I also put in my post that I don't want him as a head coach here.
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I understand being passionate about not wanting Lennon but can we stay on topic.
I just don't think being in the SPL qualifies him anymore than a championship manager. Being at a club with so much money to spend you'd better be winning titles.
That said I would be shocked if JP went that route after stressing he wants to make the right appointment this time. I would count Lennon as a non starter.
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Neil Lennon, no longer manager at Celtic means to me he is 100% sure he can walk straight into his next job, he's had the nudge nudge wink wink already. Please JP tell us its not us.
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Steve Clarke for Celtic?
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On to the football side of things Lennon would be a massive risk due to the fact the Scottish League is appalling. Basically Celtic might aswell be crowned Champions in August. I don't think he will get a PL job, most likely a Championship one (Norwich). Now with Celtic looking for a manager this might bugger up our search. Pretty sure Moyes would choose Celtic over us because they have Champions League and he could win some trophies to heal his reputation.
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Celtic/Rangers debate isn't welcome on this forum. Its clearly stated in the site rules which is why posts have been deleted.
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=48.0
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Lennon would have to be a no as he has zero Premier League experience.
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Personally I think Lennon will goto Norwich im sure he has been linked to them over the last few weeks/months anyway.
Now that Celtic are also looking for a new manager Moyes may well be tempted up there but is Celtic a bigger pull than we are now considering how poor the Scottish League is??
I wouldnt be against Lennon's appointment in the slightest but not sure he will get the job.
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Personally I think Lennon will goto Norwich im sure he has been linked to them over the last few weeks/months anyway.
Now that Celtic are also looking for a new manager Moyes may well be tempted up there but is Celtic a bigger pull than we are now considering how poor the Scottish League is??
I wouldnt be against Lennon's appointment in the slightest but not sure he will get the job.
It would be like a rehab holiday for Moyes. Walk the league get some silverware under his belt and return back to the EPL in a couple of years.
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Anybody seen Paul Clements ODDS coming down so much from around 30's to 8's on some bookies!
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Lennon would be a better choice than Hughton in my opinion.
I realise we have a strong loyalist support, but with Irish heritage myself don't surprised if I choose not to join in with the anti-Celtic rhetoric.
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Rest easy folks.Lennon is off to Brighton. Lets just go and get Sherwood
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Clements has come down a lot in the betting.Wouln't mind him at all.
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If I was to choose an untested manager, Paul Clement would definitely be my pick. He has had as good an apprenticeship as you could wish for and I'm sure he will be a success, whether that is now or in a few years, I'm not sure but his CV is impressive.
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If I was to choose an untested manager, Paul Clement would definitely be my pick. He has had as good an apprenticeship as you could wish for and I'm sure he will be a success, whether that is now or in a few years, I'm not sure but his CV is impressive.
Steve Clarke was a well thought of coach too though
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Steve Clarke was a well thought of coach too though
Slight difference i think.Clement coaching at the biggest club in the world with possibly the biggest Manager as his mentor
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Steve Clarke was a well thought of coach too though
People keep mentioning Clarke like he was a disaster which he clearly wasn't. He was far from a bad manager and undoubtedly not helped by the goings on behind the scenes with McDonough and what not. Not to mention the shambles of a transfer window (though he hardly helped that much either).
Even then Clarke shouldn't put us off getting a coach who's never managed. Clement's also a bit different, he's exposed himself to different cultures (Spain, France, England) working in different styles of set ups, different tactics, players etc. Clarke has never really been exposed to that side of things, he's generally worked under more pragmatic styles with varying success in England.
If Ranieri (or Moyes) were possible they'd be my choice, but otherwise Clement or Bould look like good options to me.
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Moyes in the news for a "scuffle" outside a bar???
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Statement due at 8am according to WM
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Statement due at 8am according to WM
Just an update or a little more?
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Good post Dan. Experienced coach would be a good appointment but there has to be an up and coming great coach somewhere. Could Clement be the one? Only downside is that he has it all at Madrid. How much do you have to coach Ronaldo and Bale etc etc. At Albion we need someone who can develop the players and make us into a reputable Premier League again
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WM reporting Hughton to be confirmed at 8 in the morning.
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Lennon would be a better choice than Hughton in my opinion.
I realise we have a strong loyalist support, but with Irish heritage myself don't surprised if I choose not to join in with the anti-Celtic rhetoric.
Personally it's not about the heritage or anti-Celtic rhetoric - I would happily sign their squad if it meant they wouldn't win the league haha. It's about Neil Lennon not being good enough in my opinion to be considered for our job. The Scottish Premier League is in a dire state of affairs with crowds tumbling and not enough money being made to keep the division competitive - partly because two clubs have held a stronghold on the game.
It is not a real test of a managers capabilities if someone is successful with either Celtic or Rangers. Achieving success elsewhere in Scotland, like McInnes has done with Scotland is in my opinion, far more worthy and deserving of being appointed the Albion boss purely because of the constraints that McInnes and other managers north of the border work under. At Celtic, those constraints are relaxed and the calibre and standard of player is far higher than any other side and winning the league is virtually a given now Rangers aren't around - even when they were though, it took the tax-man and a points deduction to eventually hand the title to Celtic. It would be too big a risk for Lennon to start learning a new way in management whilst being at the helm of our club and by new way I mean adapting to different scenarios, scenarios he wouldn't have come across too often in Scotland.
Furthermore, he is a volatile character and one who is forever willing to steer blame away from himself and onto referees - his criticism going well beyond the boundaries that are normally accepted. His repulsive manner is something I do not want our club appointing.
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WM reporting Hughton to be confirmed at 8 in the morning.
Hmmm, guess i'll stick it on. I wouldn't hate the Hughton appointment, it's a fresh start for him, however, it doesn' excite me.
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The bookies haven't reacted to this report. You can still get odds on Hughton ranging from 5/2 to 7/2 - something I wouldn't expect if there was any real substance in the report.
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The bookies haven't reacted to this report. You can still get odds ranging from 5/2 to 7/2 - something I wouldn't expect if there was any real substance in the report.
My thoughts exactly! Iwas just about to look at the odds when you posted them.
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we have said on many occasions that we will be taking a longer approach which will probably last around 3 or 4 weeks, Dont think this report is true.
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Worth lobbing a tenner on Hughton or not? ;D
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Worth lobbing a tenner on Hughton or not? ;D
I wouldn't, but the bookies would love you to. It's the easiest market possible for them - as it was last time we were looking for a head coach.
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Worth lobbing a tenner on Hughton or not? ;D
I wouldnt because if this was true the bookies would suspend bets on him.
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His price with many bookies is actually drifting!
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Surely they're just covering there backs. I reckon the 8am statement will be either the new kit or a new sponsor. I mean, who the hell is in work for 8am?! ;D
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Whatever we say about Scottish footy, its high pressure and he's had some good results in Europe, I think Lennon is on his way and the clique must be trembling
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I can't imagine a new manager being unveiled at 8am! It may be an update which would be in keeping with the 'new WBA'. Perhaps shirt or sponsorship news?
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I'd be surprised if it was to announce a new Head Coach. They said it would take 3-4 weeks so I don't know why they would have chosen somebody by now. I don't think they had short listed until this week. I suspect as others have mentioned it may be about a sponsor.
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I think it will be mclaren if qpr beat them, just a feeling nothing more would be good appointment for sure.
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Norwich have just confirmed the appointment of Neil Adams on a full time basis.
Wonder where that leaves Mackay and Lennon?
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Norwich have just confirmed the appointment of Neil Adams on a full time basis.
Wonder where that leaves Mackay and Lennon?
In the BHam Rd Maccies.
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I think it will be mclaren if qpr beat them, just a feeling nothing more would be good appointment for sure.
Would we pay the compensation though? I'd be happy with McLaren.
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Moyes in the news for a "scuffle" outside a bar???
http://www.itv.com/news/2014-05-22/ex-manchester-united-boss-david-moyes-accused-of-assaulting-man-during-lancashire-bar-fight/
Sounds like our kind of man after all, based on our last year's shenanigans!! ;)
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Sponsorship announcement
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Radio WM stirring it up with the supporters, who would of thunk it?
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Steve Clarke was a well thought of coach too though
Yes, you are right. Clement would be a gamble, no doubt. I just think out of the untested potential No.1's out there Clemence has got a bif future due to the jobs and experience he has secured so far as welll as the way he has took a "new age" approach to coaching by focusing his career strictly on coaching and management from a relatively early age, while Mourinho inherited Clarke a former player who got into coaching after a career as a player. Wenger and Mourinho are 2 examples of how these type of coaches/managers can excel rather than going with the a former player who may be a bit more close minded as to his management/coaching techniques.
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Sponsorship announcement
This, if it's an 8am briefing to coincide with the opening of the markets (I'm assuming Albion shares are still traded on the AIM or the like, so if not ignore this theory, and start quaking in yeah boots, cause it could be a manger announcement).
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I think it might still be a manager anouncement. It seems funny theyve got an announcement a day after Lennon quits. Might be reading to much into it. Oh and WBA arent traded on AIM!
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What's interesting is that the usually very twitter-active midlands journalists are nowhere to be seen on there.
The plot thickens!
Please be Martin Jol!!
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Head coach announcement wouldn't be announced that early it would be 10ish
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was just thinking of looking on twitter myself , I said all along martin jol
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............unless its Paul Clement who would have a plane to catch to wherever Madrid are preparing for Saturday??? ;) ;)
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What's interesting is that the usually very twitter-active midlands journalists are nowhere to be seen on there.
The plot thickens!
Please be Martin Jol!!
CL is on holiday.
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Apparently statement not announcement, whateve that means!
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Apparently statement not announcement, whateve that means!
The statement is ............ there is no announcement...... ;D
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Doubt its to announce a new head coach, the local journos know what the statement is, hopefully it will get leaked later tonight. Local journos are embargoed till tomorrow morning.
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Club being sold to a billionaire buyer hopefully.
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Club being sold to a billionaire buyer hopefully.
I've just seen the pigs flying overhead :D
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Club being sold to a billionaire buyer hopefully.
Qatari Billionaire Buys WBA
8:00am Newsflash
In a statement this morning it was revealed that the West Bromwich Albion has been sold to a Qatari sheik who will now relocate the club to Doha, rebrand them for the Asian market to the West Doha Camels and "adjust" the teams colours and strip to a more maroonish shade of blue (in pinstripes)..
;)
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CL is on holiday.
Don't we normally make a big signing while he's away?
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I saw Celtic twice last season under Lennon. Foregetting all the atmosphere you get from the Celtic crowd, the football was like watching a Championship outfit, with only a couple of players who stood out. We really have to do better than Lennon.
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News just in from Express & Star Lennon not in the running for Albion job which will be a relief to many
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News just in from Express & Star Lennon not in the running for Albion job which will be a relief to many
Count me amongst that number. Not concerned that he was Celtic manager, just don't think he's the man for us.
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News just in from Express & Star Lennon not in the running for Albion job which will be a relief to many
I must admit with lennon on the market i would be happy with anyone now! And i do mean anyone(jones and downing included)
"#as long as its not lennon"
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With Adams getting the Norwich job, I can see us going for Malky Mackay. He wouldn't be my first choice, but we could do a lot worse.
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With Adams getting the Norwich job, I can see us going for Malky Mackay. He wouldn't be my first choice, but we could do a lot worse.
I don’t think that will happen mate, Mackay was Norwich’s first choice and according to the press in Norfolk was offered the job but he turned it down because he didn’t want to work with a technical director. This probably rules him out of the running for our job unless he is willing to compromise for a Premier League job.
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So then for those waiting on the Head Coach announcement to decide whether they will have a season ticket next year or not I have a question for you.
Which coaches will you renew for and which ones won't you renew for?
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So then for those waiting on the Head Coach announcement to decide whether they will have a season ticket next year or not I have a question for you.
Which coaches will you renew for and which ones won't you renew for?
i wont renew if its Hughton, Malky or Jones.Anyone else i will renew.That doeesnt mean to say i wont go to games.I will pick and choose depending on performances.I cover most away games and still will because its a great day out for me
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I don't understand why Malky is highly rated. I remember listening to TalkSport and one of the presenters said he'd walk in most Premier League jobs. ???
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Please not another dour Jock like previous and what they seals have.A manager with personailty is vital
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So then for those waiting on the Head Coach announcement to decide whether they will have a season ticket next year or not I have a question for you.
Which coaches will you renew for and which ones won't you renew for?
Definitely Renew:
David Moyes
Tim Sherwood
Uwe Rosler
Sam Allardyce
Won’t Renew:
Keith Downing
Brian McDermott
Dave Jones
Anyone else I will probably renew
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If Derby get beat in their play-off game tomorrow I've got a feeling Mclaren could feature among the front runners for the job. Derby were going nowhere fast before he got the job. Certainly be good news for George Thorne if he did.
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I still hear Chris Hughton is the bookies favourite >:( why oh why is it he could waltz straight back into the premier league when hes already failed at it.My blood will be boiling if we have to put up with his brand of football after the breath of fresh air we just ousted out.If Peace appoints him he can shove his statement up his Jack Jones
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Mcclaren has 18 months left on his contract . Would Jeremy pay compo . It's doubtful isn't it .
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I still hear Chris Hughton is the bookies favourite >:( why oh why is it he could waltz straight back into the premier league when hes already failed at it.
When was the last time the bookies favourite got the West Brom job, they were way out when Mel, Clarke, Hodgson and RDM got appointed. On that basis I'm delighted Hughton is favourite.
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Will not renew if jones hughton mcdermott mckay lennon or downing
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Mclaren has got Derby playing great but the team was assembled by Clough...
If he came to us it may be a different story especially at premier league level.
I'm not saying I'd like Lennon to get the job but he would inspire some passion in to the team, You have to smile at his antics on the touchline it defiantly inspires both players and fans....
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How many season tickets are sold to date?? the right appoinment will make a world of difference
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Mclaren has got Derby playing great but the team was assembled by Clough...
If he came to us it may be a different story especially at premier league level.
I'm not saying I'd like Lennon to get the job but he would inspire some passion in to the team, You have to smile at his antics on the touchline it defiantly inspires both players and fans....
I agree.I love to see an head coach showing some passion on the touchline, Sherwood is another.It rubs off on everybody
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Anyone but Hughton or Downing.
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Lennon isn't coming to us...he is going to a team the same level as Celtric.......Cambridge Utd ...don't want that joker anywhere near the club...joke league. Still think it will be Moyes, exactly the same scenario as Hodgson
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Lennon isn't coming to us...he is going to a team the same level as Celtric.......Cambridge Utd ...don't want that joker anywhere near the club...joke league. Still think it will be Moyes, exactly the same scenario as Hodgson
Won't Moyes be going to Celtic, now that it's vacant?
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I agree.I love to see an head coach showing some passion on the touchline, Sherwood is another.It rubs off on everybody
Hughton is very passionate on the sidelines.
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Brendan Rogers is very passionate too - but not with his missus ;D ;D ;D
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Won't Moyes be going to Celtic, now that it's vacant?
I'm torn - if he does, I get £100 from my bet. Would be great to see him at Albion mind.
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Hughton is very passionate on the sidelines.
Don't make me laugh in his suit and tie
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Don't make me laugh in his suit and tie
What has suit and tie got to do with it ? , Hughton's very passionate most people know that.
Didn't Super Mel wear suit and tie ?
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Hughton is a has been and failed so say his 4 voters on here .
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Hughton is a has been and failed so say his 4 voters on here .
What's that got to do with your point on Hughton not being passionate then ?
Does wearing a suit and tie make you less able ?
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What has a coach's demeanour on the touchline got to do with anything? Is a coach who is demonstrative in his gestures good and one that is less so bad? While it might make them feel better and the fans get to see him flail his arms around and therefore he is obviously doing something I think it probably makes precious little difference to the outcome on the pitch whether the Coach jumps around the technical area or observes dispassionately from the stands.
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It harks back to that classic British issue where we'd rather have a guy who showed passion and "gave it his all" than someone reserved, quiet even, but actually good. We hold a "trier" in higher regard than someone who is laid back but delivers.
I couldn't give a flying hoot how chilled or agitated the next coach is. What I want is for him not to have hoof-ball as his prime option, keep us up and give the cups a run.
Look at it this way, would you rather have the managerial equivalent if Shane Long or Berbatov?
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People should read up on Russell slade not a bad shout just what the club need at the moment
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Shame there's not really been any solid rumours to sink our teeth into.
No Laudrop has reached a settlement with Swansea what do we think of him? I know there's rumours he's not very hands on but who knows what was going on behind the scenes there
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We seriously can't be considering Hughton???
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I see old Roy Hodgson is 33/1(a good bet)
Don't mind anybody as long as its not Downing or Jones
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Definitely NO to Laudrup. He will be skiving off in his home country for half of the season and leave his minions in charge.
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It harks back to that classic British issue where we'd rather have a guy who showed passion and "gave it his all" than someone reserved, quiet even, but actually good. We hold a "trier" in higher regard than someone who is laid back but delivers.
I couldn't give a flying hoot how chilled or agitated the next coach is. What I want is for him not to have hoof-ball as his prime option, keep us up and give the cups a run.
Look at it this way, would you rather have the managerial equivalent if Shane Long or Berbatov?
100%
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Every article I read about the situation still stresses how much the senior pros want Downing. This really isn’t healthy, if we appoint a new head coach I imagine he will appoint his own assistant, further demoting Downing to the position of either joint assistant or coach. There is no doubting that he will have to take a massive step down in terms of his influence over first team affairs, likewise the new head coach probably won’t appreciate the goalkeeping coach sticking his oar in as much as he currently does.
How will the players feel about Downing and Kiely being marginalised, how will they react to their pals influence being reduced after their ‘success’ last season - I imagine it could cause friction. For them to be given so much and then for it to (rightly) be taken away, will surely be a source of contention amongst these senior player who are seemingly championing their cases. In my opinion they need to go.
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I see Hughtons got another vote on here and Gary Thompson's piece in the Mail is encouraging the appointment because his defensive style of play will suit our footballers.
Defensive style equals no season ticket Gary
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Doe ask me why but I have a funny feeling in me water that Martin Jol will be our next Manager/Coach.
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I am not sure this is the case . It depends on the appointment, with Mel there were other issues that created the vacuum that Downing stepped into. Keily is slightly different he just goes back into the Goal Keeping coach box and that is pretty much the end of the matter. However we do need to be clear whoever is Head Coach is in charge.
A few extended thoughts on the manager search
http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/the-unusual-suspects.html
I think if we will learn from our recent mistakes. Experience and cultural fit will be prime considerations if it is a continental appointment they will have some background in English football or at the very least be fluent English speakers (no excuses on the training ground) like Rangwick.
Good blog mate! I agree with everything and I'm 100% behind us going after Jol
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Wouldn't complain at Jol at all.
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Garry Thompson's view that Hughton would be a good fit for the current squad because of his defensive way of playing shows he is totally out of touch with.
Since when have we been a defensive club? And if that's all the current squad are capable of then we need to get rid of a few more of them!
Hughton? I can't believe that he is even mentioned in the same breath as Albion! How can anyone employ a manager who has failed so dismally in the last few months?
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Who is this Bill Howell in the birmingham mail.
Is he related to Chris Hughton. Every peice he writes seems to give be how Hughton would be a good appointment.
But I can hardly see any supporters giving their blessing to what would be a dirge, dour, football style.
B,ham mail We dont want Hughton well 99.9 of us.
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Garry Thompson's view that Hughton would be a good fit for the current squad because of his defensive way of playing shows he is totally out of touch with.
Since when have we been a defensive club? And if that's all the current squad are capable of then we need to get rid of a few more of them!
Hughton? I can't believe that he is even mentioned in the same breath as Albion! How can anyone employ a manager who has failed so dismally in the last few months?
Well we're hardly pioneers of attacking football are we? For a few years now our style of football has been based on rigid defending, containment and then catching sides on the counter attack. To say we're a defensive side isn't far from the truth.
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The Albion way is the football way come what may
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Who is this Bill Howell in the birmingham mail.
Is he related to Chris Hughton. Every peice he writes seems to give be how Hughton would be a good appointment.
But I can hardly see any supporters giving their blessing to what would be a dirge, dour, football style.
B,ham mail We dont want Hughton well 99.9 of us.
is he a Blues fan because they love Chris Hughton dont they
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Well we're hardly pioneers of attacking football are we? For a few years now our style of football has been based on rigid defending, containment and then catching sides on the counter attack. To say we're a defensive side isn't far from the truth.
I don't know how old you are but I was bought up with the albion being an attractive attacking team and that has always been the albion way!
Whenever we have tried to change that, we have gone wrong...Don Howe, Bobby Gould, Buckly, Little
We should aspire to return to our roots and play the right way.
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Lets look at the notion that there is an Albion way of football
Since 2000 we have had
Megson who was not noted for free flowing football
Robson as with Megson
Mowbray Fair cop tiki taka light
Di Matteo A bit more pragmatic
Hodgson cherished defensive organisation above all else
Clarke - Mourihino light
Mel - We never got to see what his style was but lets call it progressive
So out of the last 7 coaches the majority have not been noted for playing attacking football, the only one that looked like keeping us in the Premier League throughout his tenure was Hodgson. I think saying there is an Albion way which is inherently attacking is stretching a point.
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Every club thinks they're an attacking football club. In reality virtually every club goes through periods of different styles.
As it happens I don't think Hughton would be a disaster here - it amuses me to see people not wanting him because he did a bad job this year, then wanting Jol who did a worse job with greater resources. Hughton's only bad season in management is this season, the rest have ranged from good to great.
This isn't to say he should be our main choice, but its funny, a couple of years ago I believe he topped a similar poll to this on here (comfortably as well), but an 11th placed finish and a poor finish this season and he's now unemployable apparently. Many of the same people now seem to think Hoddle or McClaren would be good options, managers who'd have elicited the same horrified reactions as Hughton is getting.
Ultimately peoples perceptions of managers change so quickly whereas their ability stays relatively constant. In 2 years maybe people will be crying out for Hughton again. This isn't to say he should be our main choice, but as one of the seven candidates we're interviewing he'll justify a position.
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I don't know how old you are but I was bought up with the albion being an attractive attacking team and that has always been the albion way!
Whenever we have tried to change that, we have gone wrong...Don Howe, Bobby Gould, Buckly, Little
We should aspire to return to our roots and play the right way.
I don't think Gary Thompson meant the comment as our playing history has been based upon defending. His comment was merely referring to the recent past and the current present - and one which is totally correct. Nice of you to only quote the bad managers though - totally ignoring Gary Megson and Roy Hodgson who had plenty of success here whilst using an approach that is different to what many would like to see.
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It would be nice to play attractive attacking football and have some success but I can't see a club with our resources being able to do this. Personally I want to see us win matches regardless of style. The only times we've looked like we belong at this level is under the more defensive managers.
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In light of the Playoff Final today, how many people would be opposed to Steve McLaren? No doubt if Derby win he wouldn't be interested but his head would be turned if they didn't. A brilliant coach and has shown his managerial ability, albeit with some blotches here and there. Just a name that hasn't been mentioned that, looking at it is a bit surprising.
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In light of the Playoff Final today, how many people would be opposed to Steve McLaren? No doubt if Derby win he wouldn't be interested but his head would be turned if they didn't. A brilliant coach and has shown his managerial ability, albeit with some blotches here and there. Just a name that hasn't been mentioned that, looking at it is a bit surprising.
I think McLaren would be a perfect fit for the role. A very good coach with top flight experience. Would we pay compensation though to get him?
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Not sure why so many would be against Hughton. I must be in the small minority who think he's actually a decent option. Last year was obviously disappointing for Norwich, but I make it 1 bad year in 5 as a full time manager.
When he first started at Newcastle they were in turmoil. Lots of issues to sort after relegation, the fans protesting against the owner and lots of high earners to deal with. He managed to get a squad together and playing well, the fans on side and took then to the title scoring plenty of goals. Although he got sacked in the second season it was hardly a disaster. They were 11th at the time and had already recorded some big results scoring plenty of goals in the process.
When he went to Blues it was another summer of turmoil. Relegation, financial troubles and a Europa league campaign to deal with. He managed to put together a squad that not only got Blues beyond the Europa League group stages but also to the Play off semi finals. A pretty good season I'd say. A fair few Blues fans will also tell you that they played some very good stuff that season as well.
In his first season at Norwich, taking over in the middle of a difficult summer that included Lambert leaving for Villa he managed to get Norwich to 11th only 5 points off of our own tally in what was a very very good season. Even last season I remember seeing Norwich play some decent stuff at times.
I think he would be a pretty good option for us. He's very much a coach which suits our structure, he can get a side relatively well organised, has in the past got some of his sides playing entertaining stuff and, important for this summer, has been at clubs where there has been a lot of change and turnover during a summer. Obviously last year was poor but I think a lot of the issues were down to poor signings. With our structure that responsibity is taken away from him a little bit.
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In light of the Playoff Final today, how many people would be opposed to Steve McLaren? No doubt if Derby win he wouldn't be interested but his head would be turned if they didn't. A brilliant coach and has shown his managerial ability, albeit with some blotches here and there. Just a name that hasn't been mentioned that, looking at it is a bit surprising.
Although I don't think that McLaren would be a bad choice he would only be even a possibility if Derby lost the play-off. Personally, I hope that situation doesn't arise. I would much rather that Derby won and QPR (a club that is a prime example of all that is rotten in football today) stayed down with the Chumps. Much rather that than QPR in the Prem again and the outside possibility of McLaren coming to us.
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We are obviously looking for a new Head Coach as opposed to a new manager, but does anyone know who precisely decides on what new players we recruit. I assume the Head Coach will have an input as will JP, but who are the other faceless members of our selection panel?
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We are obviously looking for a new Head Coach as opposed to a new manager, but does anyone know who precisely decides on what new players we recruit. I assume the Head Coach will have an input as will JP, but who are the other faceless members of our selection panel?
The player recruitment process is very much a joint effort. The club have a vast group of scouts that are coordinated by the S &T Director. They will see players who catch their eye, report back and then may be asked to go and scout them a few more times. After that a coach or the S & T Director may go and watch then to decide if they should be a target. When it comes to the transfer window, the coaches and the S & T Director will get together and discuss things such as what areas the club need to strengthen, what kind of play they need, etc. The Head Coach may well suggest a target (someone they know or someone they have watched through the clubs scouting network) or the S & T Director may suggest a few players they have picked out. Between then they decide which plays they should target, probably a few options for each position and then the club go away and try get some sorted.
That's where Chris Lepkowski's 'spinning plates' analogy comes in. We may attempt to sign 5 players for one position by making early enquiries for them in the hope that one will come off. That one may be a target that the Head Coach suggested, it may be one the club has identified and suggested. The prime example would be Vydra. It was clear that Kalou was a player Clarke wanted but when that didn't happen Vydra, who had been identified through the scouts, was the alternative.
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The player recruitment process is very much a joint effort. The club have a vast group of scouts that are coordinated by the S &T Director. They will see players who catch their eye, report back and then may be asked to go and scout them a few more times. After that a coach or the S & T Director may go and watch then to decide if they should be a target. When it comes to the transfer window, the coaches and the S & T Director will get together and discuss things such as what areas the club need to strengthen, what kind of play they need, etc. The Head Coach may well suggest a target (someone they know or someone they have watched through the clubs scouting network) or the S & T Director may suggest a few players they have picked out. Between then they decide which plays they should target, probably a few options for each position and then the club go away and try get some sorted.
That's where Chris Lepkowski's 'spinning plates' analogy comes in. We may attempt to sign 5 players for one position by making early enquiries for them in the hope that one will come off. That one may be a target that the Head Coach suggested, it may be one the club has identified and suggested. The prime example would be Vydra. It was clear that Kalou was a player Clarke wanted but when that didn't happen Vydra, who had been identified through the scouts, was the alternative.
That is how it is supposed to work, seemed to go a bit tits up last season with the influence of Dave McDonough.
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Lets look at the notion that there is an Albion way of football
Since 2000 we have had
Megson who was not noted for free flowing football
Robson as with Megson
Mowbray Fair cop tiki taka light
Di Matteo A bit more pragmatic
Hodgson cherished defensive organisation above all else
Clarke - Mourihino light
Mel - We never got to see what his style was but lets call it progressive
So out of the last 7 coaches the majority have not been noted for playing attacking football, the only one that looked like keeping us in the Premier League throughout his tenure was Hodgson. I think saying there is an Albion way which is inherently attacking is stretching a point.
Good point, but I think that makes for grim reading. The way I see it - as much as I liked Hodgson and even RDM, I think we have been at our best when we had a more attacking approach - Ron Atkinson's tenure being a very obvious example for me - yes I know it was a long time ago but that's the way I would want us to be. Of course picking our next few players will be crucial to that too, it's not like we've got Bomber, Regis or Cunningham in our squad I know.
I'd have loved to have seen us working with Pepe but that's sounding like a broken record now - what concerns me is that his sacking signifies that we are almost certainly not going down that sort of route and we are going to see more seasons of namby pamby poofy hoofy.
Final point though. If we ARE going down a more defensive route/ attack on the break, some defenders that understand their job description probably wouldn't go amiss.
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Lets look at the notion that there is an Albion way of football
Since 2000 we have had
Megson who was not noted for free flowing football
Robson as with Megson
Mowbray Fair cop tiki taka light
Di Matteo A bit more pragmatic
Hodgson cherished defensive organisation above all else
Clarke - Mourihino light
Mel - We never got to see what his style was but lets call it progressive
So out of the last 7 coaches the majority have not been noted for playing attacking football, the only one that looked like keeping us in the Premier League throughout his tenure was Hodgson. I think saying there is an Albion way which is inherently attacking is stretching a point.
So you must be a younger fan who hasn't seen the videos from the 50s 60s 70s and 80s and just seem to want to watch any old dross as long as we stay in the premier!
We have a history that spans longer that 10 years and that history is primarily attractive and attacking football.
We are not stoke or Wimbledon
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http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/the-unusual-suspects.html
Excellent blog standaman.
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loving the way Derby are playing. McLaren has to be looked at if Derby fail
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Steve Mclaren is 50_1 at boylesports , you can get them on oddschecker.
Worth a punt he ticks a lot of boxes.
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Steve Mclaren is 50_1 at boylesports , you can get them on oddschecker.
Worth a punt he ticks a lot of boxes.
He's also a "head coach" at Derby and I think he was in Dutch footie too
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Having watch todays game and seen the way he encouraged speed, pressing and youth I think McLaren would be ideal. Also imagine what a boost for Thorne it would be as well (surely he will be first choice defensive midfielder next season) - we need Peace to get his cash out and make it so. He's done it before with Di Matteo and Mowbray so it's not impossible.
Let's also not forget that he took Middlesbrough to the UEFA Cup Final and regular top 10 finishes.
Best option right now. I wonder if he would actually consider leaving Derby however?
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Also comes with his own umbrella
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Bit disappointed that Harry Redknapp isn't in the list who we could vote for. Best manager England never had.
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Bit disappointed that Harry Redknapp isn't in the list who we could vote for. Best manager England never had.
Really fits the Peace model. Can you imagine the 'January window is just for topping up' meeting?
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Steve Mclaren is 50_1 at boylesports , you can get them on oddschecker.
Worth a punt he ticks a lot of boxes.
Down to 25/1 now. I just missed out on 50/1
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Does anyone know how long McClaren is contracted to at Derby?
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Every article I read about the situation still stresses how much the senior pros want Downing. This really isn’t healthy, if we appoint a new head coach I imagine he will appoint his own assistant, further demoting Downing to the position of either joint assistant or coach. There is no doubting that he will have to take a massive step down in terms of his influence over first team affairs, likewise the new head coach probably won’t appreciate the goalkeeping coach sticking his oar in as much as he currently does.
How will the players feel about Downing and Kiely being marginalised, how will they react to their pals influence being reduced after their ‘success’ last season - I imagine it could cause friction. For them to be given so much and then for it to (rightly) be taken away, will surely be a source of contention amongst these senior player who are seemingly championing their cases. In my opinion they need to go.
I quite like the idea of there being some continuity. However, I don't care what the senior pros want. Some have already gone (Reid, Ridgewell, Gera?, Lugano?). Others will go soon - they're well into the 30s. Plus we need to sign half a squad this summer, and 4/5 of them are first XI starters. What this moment's senior pros think is completely irrelevant to a medium-to-long term plan.
Whoever comes in should base their plans on defensive resilience and organisation, but we need to be creative and have some pace and power too. Right now, we don't tick any of those boxes.
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Does anyone know how long McClaren is contracted to at Derby?
2 years left I think.
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i do wonder if we are waiting for this weekends results to see what the state of play is. McClaren and Clement both involved in important matches.
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Upon re-reading the statement, it's quite easy to interpret as Peace liking a McLaren type figure. He knows the structure, has a great CLUB record. He has the "the wally with the brolly" stigma that needs to be looked beyond. For me now it goes likes this:
McLaren
Jol
Moyes
Clement
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Bit disappointed that Harry Redknapp isn't in the list who we could vote for. Best manager England never had.
I'd be mortified if he was ever mentioned in relation to any job with us. I absolutely detest him. The guy is a cancer within football, everything the modern manager or head coach shouldn't be.
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I'd be mortified if he was ever mentioned in relation to any job with us. I absolutely detest him. The guy is a cancer within football, everything the modern manager or head coach shouldn't be.
Not even this spendaholic could prise open JP's wallet ;D ;D
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I will be delighted if we can persuade McClaren to leave Derby. He reminds me very much of Roy. He is a man of great integrity and humility - as demonstrated in his after match interview today - and he is someone with a similarly impressive track record to Roy.
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Bit disappointed that Harry Redknapp isn't in the list who we could vote for. Best manager England never had.
Surely that's a joke? Brian Clough is the best manager England never had Harry Redknapp is the most over rated manager in the country he has spent a large sum of money where ever he has been.
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Surely that's a joke? Brian Clough is the best manager England never had Harry Redknapp is the most over rated manager in the country he has spent a large sum of money where ever he has been.
....and left a number of clubs in a financial mess.
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I will be delighted if we can persuade McClaren to leave Derby. He reminds me very much of Roy. He is a man of great integrity and humility - as demonstrated in his after match interview today - and he is someone with a similarly impressive track record to Roy.
I was very much impressed with that interview as well. It oozed character.
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So you must be a younger fan who hasn't seen the videos from the 50s 60s 70s and 80s and just seem to want to watch any old dross as long as we stay in the premier!
We have a history that spans longer that 10 years and that history is primarily attractive and attacking football.
We are not stoke or Wimbledon
Regrettably I am plenty old enough to remember first hand the 60's 70's & 80's but if there was a tradition it pretty much died with the early 80's side. I remember the past but I don't live in it while we were out of the top flight football changed and our current reality is determined by our recent history.
If we ship 2 goals a game we are going down and whilst I would like us to play progressive football it cannot be done at the expensive of our defensive solidity. We can progress we don't have to be as crabby as we were at the latter stages of Clarke's reign but the new coach needs to start from where we are not where we might like to be,
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I still can't get past this with Steve McClaren.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZnoP4sUV90
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Surely that's a joke? Brian Clough is the best manager England never had Harry Redknapp is the most over rated manager in the country he has spent a large sum of money where ever he has been.
No joke, the London press keep telling me how good he is. :-X
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I still can't get past this with Steve McClaren.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZnoP4sUV90 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZnoP4sUV90)
Yeah, there's such as thing as too much honesty. ;)
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i do wonder if we are waiting for this weekends results to see what the state of play is. McClaren and Clement both involved in important matches.
June 1st when Terry Burton officially starts his role.
Also, they did say a four week appointment which I presume is based on the above.
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Regrettably I am plenty old enough to remember first hand the 60's 70's & 80's but if there was a tradition it pretty much died with the early 80's side. I remember the past but I don't live in it while we were out of the top flight football changed and our current reality is determined by our recent history.
If we ship 2 goals a game we are going down and whilst I would like us to play progressive football it cannot be done at the expensive of our defensive solidity. We can progress we don't have to be as crabby as we were at the latter stages of Clarke's reign but the new coach needs to start from where we are not where we might like to be,
Couldn't agree more.
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Regrettably I am plenty old enough to remember first hand the 60's 70's & 80's but if there was a tradition it pretty much died with the early 80's side. I remember the past but I don't live in it while we were out of the top flight football changed and our current reality is determined by our recent history.
If we ship 2 goals a game we are going down and whilst I would like us to play progressive football it cannot be done at the expensive of our defensive solidity. We can progress we don't have to be as crabby as we were at the latter stages of Clarke's reign but the new coach needs to start from where we are not where we might like to be,
Why is it I find I always agree with your posts? Spot on, again.
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Just seen an interview with Paul Clement saying he's loved the experience with Real and wants to enjoy the moment of winning the champs league but he's ready to step up now and wants to become a manager. It was definitely a "come and get me" to any club considering him and I would've thought we were.
I'm hoping the search ramps up next week. The official site said Burton officially starts on June 1st so I wouldn't be surprised if the club are at least communicating with Burton at the start of next week to narrow down the short list
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Regrettably I am plenty old enough to remember first hand the 60's 70's & 80's but if there was a tradition it pretty much died with the early 80's side. I remember the past but I don't live in it while we were out of the top flight football changed and our current reality is determined by our recent history.
If we ship 2 goals a game we are going down and whilst I would like us to play progressive football it cannot be done at the expensive of our defensive solidity. We can progress we don't have to be as crabby as we were at the latter stages of Clarke's reign but the new coach needs to start from where we are not where we might like to be,
I'm joining the "standaman" appreciation society.
Great post (as always).
From a solely personal perspective I've always been bemused by some of our supporters clinging to this "Albion way" thing like some kind of badge of honour.
To me we have to look at what has worked for us since we gained promotion under RDM and finally gained Premiership stability (on the basis that last season was hopefully a one off blip). With the key issue being the type of players we can realistically hope to attract with our resources, which are clearly limited compared to the majority of clubs at this level, and severely limited in comparison to the 6 clubs who are always in contention for the European competitions.
I feel we have to take a practical and realistically achievable perspective rather than being hamstrung by a need to play in a certain way.
Looking back over recent seasons, to me Roy Hodgson epitomised this approach and did a fantastic job, laying down the foundations for our highest ever finish in the Prem (for which Steve Clarke also obviously deserves credit as well) and for me that's why I've no problem if Albion were to appoint a new Head Coach with a reputation for emphasis on a solid defence and the counter attacking game as I can't see us surviving at this level with any other approach.
Just a personal view, and I'm happy to trust the club to do the right thing, whether it's an internal or external appointment. I thought Peace's recent statement was excellent and very reassuring and feel the appointment of Burton is an astute decision, so I feel pretty chilled about the situation to be honest.
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I feel we have to take a practical and realistically achievable perspective rather than being hamstrung by a need to play in a certain way.
Can't agree I'm afraid. Every club has an approach to the game which is deep in their DNA. Ours is about passing and attacking football. If a head coach takes us too far away from this eventually it will breed discontent - just as is currently happening at West Ham
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Can't agree I'm afraid. Every club has an approach to the game which is deep in their DNA. Ours is about passing and attacking football. If a head coach takes us too far away from this eventually it will breed discontent - just as is currently happening at West Ham
There's a balance that's needed. Our best performances under Hodgson and Clarke came when we got the ball down and passed it. There were games under both where there was far too much hoof which frankly produced sterile performances.
Which ever style we play we need pace in wide areas and up front and far more movement than we saw for most of this season.
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....and left a number of clubs in a financial mess.
Exactly! Guess who's finances are not in a mess.
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Paul Clement was interviewed after the Champions League final and confirmed he was looking for a head coach role now and felt he had served his apprenticeship. Just wonder whether now play offs and champions league is out the way we might see some more overt momentum in the hunt.
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Paul Clement was interviewed after the Champions League final and confirmed he was looking for a head coach role now and felt he had served his apprenticeship. Just wonder whether now play offs and champions league is out the way we might see some more overt momentum in the hunt.
That and Burton's arrival, I'm guessing things will move on fast in the next 2 weeks
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Just seen an interview with Paul Clement saying he's loved the experience with Real and wants to enjoy the moment of winning the champs league but he's ready to step up now and wants to become a manager. It was definitely a "come and get me" to any club considering him and I would've thought we were.
I'm hoping the search ramps up next week. The official site said Burton officially starts on June 1st so I wouldn't be surprised if the club are at least communicating with Burton at the start of next week to narrow down the short list
Apparently Burton has been in regular contact with the club concerning the new head coach I think the short list will be place by the time he starts on June 1st.
I am not sure we will promote an assistant to the Head Coach position again after Clarke whose CV was not too dissimilar to Clement's lots of experience as an assistant at big clubs where he would be working with players that are generally better than ours and no experience of being a Head Coach.
Personally I championed Clarke's appointment and thought given that the role at Albion is primarily about hands on coaching his lack of experience as a number one did not particularly matter. However as things began to unravel in the second half of his first season it was apparent that he lacked the required leadership skills to turn the situation around.
Coming back to the style debate I think Swansea are often held up as the team with a consistently attractive style that has been maintained across the reign of several managers and on resources that are not dissimilar to ours. Firstly what people tend to overlook is that Rodgers tightened them up defensively and they still don't give too much away at the back. Secondly their style was born in the third tier of English football where they would have been one of the bigger clubs and would have been able to attract the best players in that Division, something we did in the championship under Mowbray but failed to follow it through by staying in the Premier League.
We on the other hand have achieved success on the basis of the work Hodgson did with the squad it was hard working and disciplined. Under Clarke we lost our way for a whole host of reasons and then imported Mel midway through a season and he tried to change our style of play radically in the midst of a relegation scrap. Unfortunately I think that was very much a case of trying to run before we could walk.
We need to look to the next coach to build on what is here in much the same way Hughes has done at Stoke who coincidently out passed us for large parts of the final game of the season. I hope the coach starts the process of changing our style to something more progressive but not at the expense of being defensively sound.
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Well when you put it that way Standaman, perhaps the trio of McClaren, Jol and Moyes should be the faves
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Well when you put it that way Standaman, perhaps the trio of McClaren, Jol and Moyes should be the faves
I think they probably are, I also think Jol is most likely to get the job however if Moyes wanted the job it would be his.
Can't see them giving Clement a go, I think they will go tried and tested. Personally I would take Clement if not Moyes. What player wouldn't be excited to play under this young successful coach.
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I think they probably are, I also think Jol is most likely to get the job however if Moyes wanted the job it would be his.
Can't see them giving Clement a go, I think they will go tried and tested. Personally I would take Clement if not Moyes. What player wouldn't be excited to play under this young successful coach.
I'm debating putting £20 on Jol at 40/1 or £10 each on Jol and McClaren. Trouble is, McClaren hasn't even been put on sky bets market and I can't be bothered to open a new account.
Hmnnn
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i think of the names we fear the most, Hughton, Malky,Jones, Lennon etc.These guys need to be re building their stock in the Championship, apart from Lennon of course they have all failed and been sacked.I am pretty confident i dont think any of these will be our next head coach
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I'm debating putting £20 on Jol at 40/1 or £10 each on Jol and McClaren. Trouble is, McClaren hasn't even been put on sky bets market and I can't be bothered to open a new account.
Hmnnn
40/1 def worth a punt.
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I really hope we don't don't go for someone like clement. You have to remember that although they (Clarke too) have worked under the best managers.. They have also been at the best clubs with money where that manager can buy the best players on the market, it would be more criminal if they weren't successful in their roles. We need someone who can work with players in the low to middle end of the market give them belief in their abilities, can spot a player, work as a team and have some rapport with the fans too.
I'd like McCalaren, Moyes would be fantastic too but I doubt he would come.
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As others have probably already said, David Moyes would be the stand-out candidate by some distance. If he is interested in the job, I hope the club do everything in their power to persuade him to join us.
Apart from Moyes, I think Steve McClaren should be another contender if there is any any chance of him being persuaded to leave Derby following their play-off final defeat yesterday.
Paul Clement is an interesting potential candidate, and there will probably be a few rumours now he seems keen to leave Real Madrid and become a head coach in his own right. I backed the appointment of Steve Clarke at the time and think the head coach role suits an experienced assistant, even if they have not been a number one before.
However, I would be surprised if we appoint another assistant and promote them to a head coach due to the poor run of form during Clarke's last few months in charge and also because there are arguably better candidates available this time than there were when we appointed Clarke and when we appointed Pepe Mel back in January.
Whoever we appoint, I hope we move fairly quickly from now. The club have a bit more time to make the right appointment now we are in the close season, but it is vital to get the new head coach in as quickly as possible to give them an opportunity to assess the current squad and have their say on potential new signings.
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I would hope the club would have far more common sense to not write off Clement based on Clarke (who didn't even do a bad job - we did finish 8th). We weren't doing great this season but it ended up showing that off the field matters were hardly helping much either. Which even then its not like all coaches are the same. It's a bit like saying we shouldn't go for an experienced coach in case it ends like Jol did for Fulham, which would of course be ridiculous. The fact is that in the vast, vast majority of cases a manager does end up being sacked.
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I see another of Downing's Pals championing his cause to be our next head coach in the Birmingham mail... >:(
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mel-eves-west-brom-should-7169669
With the available coaches around at the moment this has to be one of the biggest no no's in the history of no no's. I've said it before, he will get us relegated. He had his chance and didn't want it.
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Downing would be a suicidal appointment. Even if you forget the relationship he has with the players (which would surely lead to them doing whatever they feel like), Downing's tactics in his short period of time as interim head coach were the worst I've seen here in my life. 3 at the back, Gera at wing-back with Amalfitano behind the striker is just one example :o The Southampton performance, his final game in charge, was the most frustrating performance of the season. Waited til the 86th minute to bring Vydra on when we'd been crying out for a change all game ???
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I would hope the club would have far more common sense to not write off Clement based on Clarke (who didn't even do a bad job - we did finish 8th). We weren't doing great this season but it ended up showing that off the field matters were hardly helping much either. Which even then its not like all coaches are the same. It's a bit like saying we shouldn't go for an experienced coach in case it ends like Jol did for Fulham, which would of course be ridiculous. The fact is that in the vast, vast majority of cases a manager does end up being sacked.
I, too, can't see the club ruling Clement out based on Clarke's tenure. Surely he has to be on the clubs 7 man shortlist as stated in the birmingham mail's article i previously posted.
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Everyone going on like Clarke was a failure, the FACT is he delivered us our best season for 30 years. It's an OPINION that it was all to do with Hodgson especially as the results were completely different I.e we struggled at home with Hodgson where as under Clarke our home form was very good, although towards the end it wasn't very good I think he gets a lot of unfair stick as if he was a failure.
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I think Steve Clarke will find it difficult finding another premier league club, he has to prove himself first and that can only happen in the championship or below.Yes we finished 8Th thanks to Lukaku.A tactically inept coach who lost his way after November 2012, some would say when the momentum of Roy's reign came to an end.
I hope they get this head coach sorted soon so i can go on holiday with my new pinstripe top on knowing we are in safe hands
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I think Steve Clarke will find it difficult finding another premier league club, he has to prove himself first and that can only happen in the championship or below.Yes we finished 8Th thanks to Lukaku.A tactically inept coach who lost his way after November 2012, some would say when the momentum of Roy's reign came to an end.I hope they get this head coach sorted soon so i can go on holiday with my new pinstripe top on knowing we are in safe hands
Very true...if Steve Clarke was as good as the national press and some people that post on here make out I'm sure clubs would be falling over each other to give him a job. All as people seem to look at is the 8th league position.
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I'm debating putting £20 on Jol at 40/1 or £10 each on Jol and McClaren. Trouble is, McClaren hasn't even been put on sky bets market and I can't be bothered to open a new account.
Hmnnn
Please refer to a great post on this forum about betting and how to cover and spread! One of the best posts ever and gave an insight of how to actually win in these situations. I ain't going to link it because if your serious then 1. You would of read it and 2. If your serious you can find it!
Just quoted you as your putting odds up so not pointed but just referring on your post :)
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I think Steve Clarke will find it difficult finding another premier league club, he has to prove himself first and that can only happen in the championship or below.Yes we finished 8Th thanks to Lukaku.A tactically inept coach who lost his way after November 2012, some would say when the momentum of Roy's reign came to an end.
I hope they get this head coach sorted soon so i can go on holiday with my new pinstripe top on knowing we are in safe hands
True! I think the Roy reign topic is over now. We were the perfect stepping stone for the end of his career, which will finish this year. He ain't our manager and has not been for some time. Our club needs to move on. Whom that will be I really cannot say!
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Please refer to a great post on this forum about betting and how to cover and spread! One of the best posts ever and gave an insight of how to actually win in these situations. I ain't going to link it because if your serious then 1. You would of read it and 2. If your serious you can find it!
Just quoted you as your putting odds up so not pointed but just referring on your post :)
I'VE TRIED I CAN'T FIND IT.
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Having thought about it and weighed up all the options, I guess you would have to say Moyes would be the ideal candidate; it'd be more a case of if he wanted it and if he was prepared to fit into our set up.
If we were going to give somebody a go without experience, then I would say Clement would be the man I would go to; but I wouldn't prefer that option as I think we need somebody with a bit of nous to organise and drill the defence as Hodgson did.
I hope we don't end up with Downing, as I just can't see that one working. I think we will go for somebody with a bit of experience, although I'd be disappointed if it was one of the current favourites.
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Having thought about it and weighed up all the options, I guess you would have to say Moyes would be the ideal candidate; it'd be more a case of if he wanted it and if he was prepared to fit into our set up.If we were going to give somebody a go without experience, then I would say Clement would be the man I would go to; but I wouldn't prefer that option as I think we need somebody with a bit of nous to organise and drill the defence as Hodgson did.
I hope we don't end up with Downing, as I just can't see that one working. I think we will go for somebody with a bit of experience, although I'd be disappointed if it was one of the current favourites.
Peace had reduced his options by committing to keeping Downing and Kiely. It may prove difficult to get a top coach to buy into that as most coaches want their own people around them as we all know...but somehow Peace sees it different.
Moyes would be my preferred option but I would be very surprised if he came.
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Peace had reduced his options by committing to keeping Downing and Kiely. It may prove difficult to get a top coach to buy into that as most coaches want their own people around them as we all know...but somehow Peace sees it different.
Moyes would be my preferred option but I would be very surprised if he came.
Totally agree. I actually think that Moyes would have some interest in coming here but the staff issue will be the stumbling block. We need a clean sweep because things just haven't worked over the last 18months.
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Not saying its true, but my friend at uni's housemate's dad is supposedly on the west brom board of directors and has said clement is imminent, fair bit of money gone down and his odds have dropped over most sites. just a heads up.
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Clement is 9/4 favourite on skybets
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Not saying its true, but my friend at uni's housemate's dad is supposedly on the west brom board of directors and has said clement is imminent, fair bit of money gone down and his odds have dropped over most sites. just a heads up.
That's quite tenuous!!
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Not saying its true, but my friend at uni's housemate's dad is supposedly on the west brom board of directors and has said clement is imminent, fair bit of money gone down and his odds have dropped over most sites. just a heads up.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/11235317.Clement_new_favourite_for_Albion_job_after_Euro_glory/
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Clement is 9/4 favourite on skybets
6/4 for the other Albion. Looks like a lots of money is going on him for the 2 most obvious teams that would get him
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Id be very happy with Clement.
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I don't think it will be Paul Clement either, but it is ridiculous that some people are writing him off just because he is a number 2. Just because Steve Clarke didn't do particularly well, doesn't mean that every number 2 will not be up to the task. An awful lot of successful managers started as a number 2. It's the same for managers of lower league teams, especially younger ones. For every manager/coach who has made the step up and failed, there is one who has proved a success. There are also plenty of managers/coaches who have had previous Premiership experience who have failed, so be careful what you wish for. In reality, we never know if someone is a good fit for us until until he has been here for a year or so, but personally I'd rather we took a chance on an ambitious young coach than go for one of the boring old farts some people are bandying about as "good, safe appointments".
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http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/11235317.Clement_new_favourite_for_Albion_job_after_Euro_glory/
Im taking it you realise this is the Brighton Albion and not us!
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I wouldn't be upset by us hiring Clement but with our recent past in mind I think the club might opt for a candidate with at least some experience as a Head Coach. Equally I would be perfectly happy with Moyes but I just don't see him being interested in the job.
As ever I wouldn't pay too much attention to the bookies odds certainly not unless someone goes odds-on on the back of some well informed reporting. To date the only real news on Clement is that he has said that he wants to break into management.
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Clement is 5/6 on with sky bet.
They must have a bit of money going on bin.
West Brom not Brighton
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Clement is 9/4 favourite on skybets
odds on @ william hill :o :o :o
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Deja v. Go back 4 months ago.
no one has a clue.
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I'd imagine there's a good chance he'd be interviewed, but that's it at this stage. I doubt we'll be rushing into any appointments.
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Clement would still have to be classed as a bit of a risk surely? I'm not against the idea of Clement thought, with what little I know of him, I think it would be a decent appointment. He has been bookies favourites for the Brighton job for a while now though.
As for other options, Moyes and Mcclaren yes, pretty much everybody else no
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Our fans love re-writing history when it comes to Steve Clarke. He is the man who has delivered us with our best season in what must be thirty years or more, he was a man who delivered an exciting brand of attacking football, some of which was being compared to the iconic team of the late seventies who played with a style and exuberance, admittedly, Steve Clarke's Albion wasn't in that class. There are a certain few that cannot wait to discredit his achievements, picking holes in his demeanour, his nationality and previously his looks. They cannot wait to discredit his achievement by either insisting it was all of Hodgson's doing, despite us playing far better football than Hodgson ever had us playing, and that we were lucky we had Lukaku - a man Steve Clarke knew well and put his faith into - that wasn't look, that was good, sensible management.
Still, he's the worst thing to ever happen to us according to some. Granted, Clarke's reign slowly petered out but it hardly improved under Corberan Pepe Mel, who some cannot wait too applaud despite having a no better record than Steve Clarke. Laughable, but as you were.
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I hope it's not Clement. We need someone with experience of English football who can work within our system. I should imagine if Clement gets the job alot of people won't renew.
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Clement must be a top quality coach or he wouldn't hold such a key role at Real Madrid. We are after all looking for a coach, not a manager. Moyes is no doubt a very good manager. Having said that I'd be happy with either.
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Cannot for the life of me think why Clement would want to leave Real Madrid!
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Would it be the first time a club has one brother as a player and the other becomes the gaffer? :o
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Cannot for the life of me think why Clement would want to leave Real Madrid!
He has heard rave reviews for the harvester up west brom.
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Our fans love re-writing history when it comes to Steve Clarke. He is the man who has delivered us with our best season in what must be thirty years or more, he was a man who delivered an exciting brand of attacking football, some of which was being compared to the iconic team of the late seventies who played with a style and exuberance, admittedly, Steve Clarke's Albion wasn't in that class. There are a certain few that cannot wait to discredit his achievements, picking holes in his demeanour, his nationality and previously his looks. They cannot wait to discredit his achievement by either insisting it was all of Hodgson's doing, despite us playing far better football than Hodgson ever had us playing, and that we were lucky we had Lukaku - a man Steve Clarke knew well and put his faith into - that wasn't look, that was good, sensible management.
Still, he's the worst thing to ever happen to us according to some. Granted, Clarke's reign slowly petered out but it hardly improved under Corberan Pepe Mel, who some cannot wait too applaud despite having a no better record than Steve Clarke. Laughable, but as you were.
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I know we have to take the bookies with a punch of salt but I can't help but check! Tony Mowbray is suddenly second fave on oddschecker? Whyyyy?
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Our fans love re-writing history when it comes to Steve Clarke. He is the man who has delivered us with our best season in what must be thirty years or more, he was a man who delivered an exciting brand of attacking football, some of which was being compared to the iconic team of the late seventies who played with a style and exuberance, admittedly, Steve Clarke's Albion wasn't in that class. There are a certain few that cannot wait to discredit his achievements, picking holes in his demeanour, his nationality and previously his looks. They cannot wait to discredit his achievement by either insisting it was all of Hodgson's doing, despite us playing far better football than Hodgson ever had us playing, and that we were lucky we had Lukaku - a man Steve Clarke knew well and put his faith into - that wasn't look, that was good, sensible management.
Still, he's the worst thing to ever happen to us according to some. Granted, Clarke's reign slowly petered out but it hardly improved under Corberan Pepe Mel, who some cannot wait too applaud despite having a no better record than Steve Clarke. Laughable, but as you were.
What exciting brand of football was that, the one where we had third lowest average possession and struggled to score?
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I know we have to take the bookies with a punch of salt but I can't help but check! Tony Mowbray is suddenly second fave on oddschecker? Whyyyy?
My mistake! I was in Brighton! Wondered why Pepe Mel was 40/1
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I know we have to take the bookies with a punch of salt but I can't help but check! Tony Mowbray is suddenly second fave on oddschecker? Whyyyy?
No he's not. He is 66/1
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My mistake! I was in Brighton! Wondered why Pepe Mel was 40/1
I was about to say! Clement's odds are now evens or lower with every bookie on oddschecker
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Our fans love re-writing history when it comes to Steve Clarke. He is the man who has delivered us with our best season in what must be thirty years or more, he was a man who delivered an exciting brand of attacking football, some of which was being compared to the iconic team of the late seventies who played with a style and exuberance, admittedly, Steve Clarke's Albion wasn't in that class. There are a certain few that cannot wait to discredit his achievements, picking holes in his demeanour, his nationality and previously his looks. They cannot wait to discredit his achievement by either insisting it was all of Hodgson's doing, despite us playing far better football than Hodgson ever had us playing, and that we were lucky we had Lukaku - a man Steve Clarke knew well and put his faith into - that wasn't look, that was good, sensible management.
Still, he's the worst thing to ever happen to us according to some. Granted, Clarke's reign slowly petered out but it hardly improved under Corberan Pepe Mel, who some cannot wait too applaud despite having a no better record than Steve Clarke. Laughable, but as you were.
I agree with most of what you say without bringing Pepe into it. The idea that Clarke was some disastrous mistake is crazy. The idea that it was all down to Hodgson's organisation and the presence of Lukaku is crazy. Clarke was obviously instrumental in getting Rom to the club and he spent half the time sat on the bench anyway. On balance the football under Clarke was more entertaining than under Hodgson. It's water under the bridge (or should be) but there's seldom a day goes by on here where Clarke's reign is not trodden down further.
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Our fans love re-writing history when it comes to Steve Clarke. He is the man who has delivered us with our best season in what must be thirty years or more, he was a man who delivered an exciting brand of attacking football, some of which was being compared to the iconic team of the late seventies who played with a style and exuberance, admittedly, Steve Clarke's Albion wasn't in that class. There are a certain few that cannot wait to discredit his achievements, picking holes in his demeanour, his nationality and previously his looks. They cannot wait to discredit his achievement by either insisting it was all of Hodgson's doing, despite us playing far better football than Hodgson ever had us playing, and that we were lucky we had Lukaku - a man Steve Clarke knew well and put his faith into - that wasn't look, that was good, sensible management.
Still, he's the worst thing to ever happen to us according to some. Granted, Clarke's reign slowly petered out but it hardly improved under Corberan Pepe Mel, who some cannot wait too applaud despite having a no better record than Steve Clarke. Laughable, but as you were.
Agree 100% mate, some people just see what they want to see. I'll remember Clarke as giving me one of, if not the best season following the Albion so far.
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And just to add to the 'was Clarke all that bad' subtext, we're also led to believe that Dave McDonaugh was trying to undermine the existing regime and make his own position stronger. And I'd bet he'd have liked to bring Lukaku back too............
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Our fans love re-writing history when it comes to Steve Clarke. He is the man who has delivered us with our best season in what must be thirty years or more, he was a man who delivered an exciting brand of attacking football, some of which was being compared to the iconic team of the late seventies who played with a style and exuberance, admittedly, Steve Clarke's Albion wasn't in that class. There are a certain few that cannot wait to discredit his achievements, picking holes in his demeanour, his nationality and previously his looks.
Absolutely agree with this. Clarke did an excellent job in his first season, no doubt about it. He lost his way in the summer of 2013, didn’t politic correctly, didn’t know his best team and didn’t show enough leadership and imagination when we found ourselves in a rut. He will learn from that experience. Doesn’t mean the likes of Clement can’t be a success.
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I hope it's not Clement. We need someone with experience of English football who can work within our system. I should imagine if Clement gets the job alot of people won't renew.
Anyone who doesn’t renew because of the new coach can do one. Pathetic attitude to supporting your club.
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Anyone who doesn’t renew because of the new coach can do one. Pathetic attitude to supporting your club.
i agree.....you support your club whatever through thick and thin. To say you won't go or renew because who we recruit as head coach ain't a true supporter. Just someone who likes to knock for knocking sake.
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Anyone who doesn’t renew because of the new coach can do one. Pathetic attitude to supporting your club.
I will continue to "support" WBA even if I don't attend every game by picking and choosing dependant on who is in charge. If its one of the regular suspects, I wont renew. If its someone who makes me think we can go somewhere then I will renew. Oh, and anyone who thinks otherwise can do one.
I'm no less a "supporter" than anyone else just because I won't be going to every game. I haven't yet renewed and wont be committing until I know who we have appointed. I don't think wanting to be entertained is too much to ask for when committing nearly a third of my annual income to tickets, travel, food, etc etc thank you very much.
Its up to the club to convince me to renew by keeping their side of the "bargain" by signing a manager/coach and players to make me want to spend my money. If they don't, then I wont be spending ( as much ). And anyway, anyone who knows me knows I don't have to justify my support of WBA to any f***er !!!
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Key to all this is in the title...
Head Coach
Not a Manager...
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Anyone who doesn’t renew because of the new coach can do one. Pathetic attitude to supporting your club.
I spend more attending two games than most people do on a season ticket, people like Greenock spend a small fortune going to matches beyond the cost of their season ticket, they are entitled to make a judgement based on the football that will be served up in front of them.
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Paul Clement would supposedly not have as many back room staff requirements and could therefore fit into our regime better than say Hughton, Moyes, Malky.
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I spend more attending two games than most people do on a season ticket, people like Greenock spend a small fortune going to matches beyond the cost of their season ticket, they are entitled to make a judgement based on the football that will be served up in front of them.
Exactly mate. Not blowing my trumpet here but I have travelled from Scotland BY SCOOTER for the last 8 years or so and to be fobbed off with mediocrity is not on. I'm not asking for Champions League but I am asking for commitment from the club to me. It is a 2 way street after all. I'm buying a product ( ie season ticket ) and its up to the club to make me spend my money. That attitude doesn't mean I "support" them any less............it just means I have priorities, more so know I have kids..........and my bones and body aint as young as it once was with all that travelling, lol
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I spend more attending two games than most people do on a season ticket, people like Greenock spend a small fortune going to matches beyond the cost of their season ticket, they are entitled to make a judgement based on the football that will be served up in front of them.
Obviously there are exceptions for those that travel the breath and length of the country, it’s obviously a wholly different commitment, but I can’t fathom the attitude of someone who say lives in Halesowen, who has to pay £350 for 19 games of PL football, yet wont because their preferred choice hasn’t been appointed.
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Obviously there are exceptions for those that travel the breath and length of the country, it’s obviously a wholly different commitment, but I can’t fathom the attitude of someone who say lives in Halesowen, who has to pay £350 for 19 games of PL football, yet wont because their preferred choice hasn’t been appointed.
Point taken but if that person from Halesowen is a student on a very low income, £350 can still be a lot of money, plus travel expenses to get to the games and time commitment as well. ......... Its all relative but I take your point.
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I spend more attending two games than most people do on a season ticket, people like Greenock spend a small fortune going to matches beyond the cost of their season ticket, they are entitled to make a judgement based on the football that will be served up in front of them.
Same here, I've spent 40 quid a game for 5 years on top of my season ticket so it costs me a small fortune a season, as far as I'm concerned travelling 250 miles round trip per home game, and more per away game gives me the right to choose to save money on the club. With a good appointment and some ambitious intent the club can win me back.
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Couple of points on Clarke and whoever we appoint.
Firstly Clarke good bad or indifferent? My view was that until we hit the post Christmas slump in his first season good but critically he seemed incapable of delivering an effective solution to the downturn in form. Exactly what was the root cause of the problem I'm not sure but no doubt some of the players' form dipped and never really recovered.
Regardless of the coach our squad will never be good enough to go through a whole season without going through a bit of a sticky patch. It was this down turn that did for Clarke and DiMatteo. It is how coaches respond to adversity and how they coax, grind or drag the necessary improvement and results from the team that really makes a difference.
From this perspective there is probably no substitute for experience which counts against someone like Paul Clement. No one can criticise him because of the style of football that he is likely to adopt because we don't know what it will be. Personally I am perplexed as to why someone would take his appointment so badly as not to renew their season ticket there might be better candidates but I am also sure there are worse.
I won't criticise anyone for going or not going to a game of football we all have our own views and personal priorities.
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Anyone who doesn’t renew because of the new coach can do one. Pathetic attitude to supporting your club.
If after interviewing every man and his dog the club decide to appoint Keith Downing then they don't deserve anyones money.
From what i've heard today its between Downing, Hughton and Dave Jones.
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Where have you heard that?
That would go against everything the club have said for the past month, and also go against ever other appointment they have made for the last 7/8 years. I'm not ITK but I can't see any way it will be any of them
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If after interviewing every man and his dog the club decide to appoint Keith Downing then they don't deserve anyones money.
From what i've heard today its between Downing, Hughton and Dave Jones.
Considering the local press say we are set to work on a seven-man shortlist this week, and Terry Burton doesn't even start until June 1, find this hard to believe
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If after interviewing every man and his dog the club decide to appoint Keith Downing then they don't deserve anyones money.
From what i've heard today its between Downing, Hughton and Dave Jones.
If JP appoints either of those his interview last week was nothing more than a smokescreen.
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For what it's worth, Paul Clement is now odds on.
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Anyone who doesn’t renew because of the new coach can do one. Pathetic attitude to supporting your club.
Cannot agree. Supporters have the right to withdraw their support if not happy with the decisions bring made by the club hierarchy. It's up to individuals to do what they see fit and it doesn't make them any less of a fan than you, just a fan with a different viewpoint.
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If JP appoints either of those his interview last week was nothing more than a smokescreen.
Quite. Blimey, the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker....
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Exactly mate. Not blowing my trumpet here but I have travelled from Scotland BY SCOOTER for the last 8 years or so and to be fobbed off with mediocrity is not on. I'm not asking for Champions League but I am asking for commitment from the club to me. It is a 2 way street after all. I'm buying a product ( ie season ticket ) and its up to the club to make me spend my money. That attitude doesn't mean I "support" them any less............it just means I have priorities, more so know I have kids..........and my bones and body aint as young as it once was with all that travelling, lol
Excellent post. Quite right too.
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Unfortunately with the way football is now, the people who don't renew it is their loss more than the clubs loss.
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I have seen many Albion managers since 1965 and not once did I say I am not going because of the manager, I may not be happy about a certain appointment the same as other fans do but I still go and will continue to for as long as my health holds out. Saying that, fans all have different opinions and it is up to them if they want to have a season ticket or not depending on the appointment of the next manager.
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I have seen many Albion managers since 1965 and not once did I say I am not going because of the manager, I may not be happy about a certain appointment the same as other fans do but I still go and will continue to for as long as my health holds out. Saying that, fans all have different opinions and it is up to them if they want to have a season ticket or not depending on the appointment of the next manager.
Very true. Majority of fans never wanted Ron Saunders or Bobby Gould but on both occasions I still renewed and I don't think we could appoint anyone as bad as those two this time.
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Malky Mackay is a good value bet at 12/1 (SkyBet) now. It's no secret that he thought of highly by the hierarchy at our club, and hasn't been "ruled out" yet like some of the unpopular choices who happen to have the same or worse odds. From what Peace has stated in the press, Mackay certainly fits the bill of what JP is aiming for.
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Another yes man to work with sweet FA then ,because that's all he'll get from this board ,no vision ,ambition or connection with the fans , they have lost the plot in my eyes ,we have no manager so who decided to sign Gardner ? Will the new boss even want that type of player ? Hardly a list of clubs beating the door down to get him , if we are signing this type of quality player we might aswell of kept Ridgewell . Peace needs to stay out of the football sude of things and concentrate on the business side of things . Rant over
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Another yes man to work with sweet FA then ,because that's all he'll get from this board ,no vision ,ambition or connection with the fans , they have lost the plot in my eyes ,we have no manager so who decided to sign Gardner ? Will the new boss even want that type of player ? Hardly a list of clubs beating the door down to get him , if we are signing this type of quality player we might aswell of kept Ridgewell . Peace needs to stay out of the football sude of things and concentrate on the business side of things . Rant over
But Ridgewell and Gardner play in different positions. If you were referring to Creswell and Ridgewell for me personally Creswell is ten times the player Ridgwell is.
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Couple of points on Clarke and whoever we appoint.
Firstly Clarke good bad or indifferent? My view was that until we hit the post Christmas slump in his first season good but critically he seemed incapable of delivering an effective solution to the downturn in form. Exactly what was the root cause of the problem I'm not sure but no doubt some of the players' form dipped and never really recovered.
Regardless of the coach our squad will never be good enough to go through a whole season without going through a bit of a sticky patch. It was this down turn that did for Clarke and DiMatteo. It is how coaches respond to adversity and how they coax, grind or drag the necessary improvement and results from the team that really makes a difference.
From this perspective there is probably no substitute for experience which counts against someone like Paul Clement. No one can criticise him because of the style of football that he is likely to adopt because we don't know what it will be. Personally I am perplexed as to why someone would take his appointment so badly as not to renew their season ticket there might be better candidates but I am also sure there are worse.
I won't criticise anyone for going or not going to a game of football we all have our own views and personal priorities.
You say it better than I can.
I love the IDEA of a coach like Clement coming in, but when all's said and done I'd be more reassured by having a coach in who's presided over getting clubs through sticky patches, knows what it's like to get discipline in a dressing room etc, and someone who can argue their corner should there be a difference of opinion with the Board. I think that can only come with experience.
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Paul Clement on talksport this evening Adrian Durham show
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The fact we have Burton In as director if football and an experienced head could help level out the inexperience of Clement as a number 1. Some guy above posted slating the fact we're signing people etc but it's not down to the head coach to bring people in. All our departments need to work in harmony but we don't have to wait for a head coach till we sign people
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What exciting brand of football was that, the one where we had third lowest average possession and struggled to score?
We scored 70 goals across his reign - not bad really is it?
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Listening to him on Talksport just, i think he seems quite settled where he is and in no real rush to leave Madrid. Although he did state it was something he wanted to do in the future as long as its the right club at the right time.
Interesting!
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Listening to him on Talksport just, i think he seems quite settled where he is and in no real rush to leave Madrid. Although he did state it was something he wanted to do in the future as long as its the right club at the right time.
Interesting!
Did Durham mention us?
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Listening to him on Talksport just, i think he seems quite settled where he is and in no real rush to leave Madrid. Although he did state it was something he wanted to do in the future as long as its the right club at the right time.
Interesting!
Have to say, I almost fell asleep in that interview.
Basically, it was an interview where nothing was said. I wonder if we've been in contact with him, there's been next to no conclusive coverage from the local media - looks like the club is playing its cards very close to its chest.
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There is no substitute for experience when times get tough. Lack of it was the biggest problem for both RDM and Clarke. They had nobody to turn do and no matter how impressive their CVs as number 2s at big clubs, we are an entirely different animal.
If we ever go down the route again of appointing somebody like Clement, then in my view it is essential that we also appoint someone who can work with them who has been there, seen it and done it. Someone like Curbishley for example is the first name to spring to mind.
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Did Durham mention us?
Only to talk generally about him moving into management. The person interviewing him mentioned something along the lines of theres a few jobs going around such as West Bromwich Albion but didn't really expand into whether he was specifically interested in the job.
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Of course we have to sign players now. We have just released eleven players ten of whom played in the first team last season, the players report back in five weeks time and our first pre-season game is six/seven weeks away.
The new head coach will have to work with what is here and there will no doubt still be time after the appointment to add a few more but time cannot stand still until an appointment is made.
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Clement is now odds on with all bookies on Oddschecker. Are the bookies putting 2 and 2 together and making 5!
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All this talk of Paul Clement and we're missing the chance to appoint a top-class coach who's currently out of work in Spain. His supporters love him, he'll plays attacking pressing football and has managed a number of clubs Albion size successfully including taking one into the Europa cup. Oh hang on - sorry forgot we just sacked him. Haven't seen a single candidate yet that would be in front of Pepe Mel in my opinion...
Come on Albion use some imagination, surprise us, bring somebody in that will really excite us (and I really don't mean David Moyes......)
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Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski
Paul Clement is unlikely to be considered as #wba boss at this stage of the club's search.
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We are desperate to have a experienced manager to fill in our head coach role in order to shake up the team.I think it would be much better to have a experienced manager to handle such big change.I'm really not prefer a "Steve Clarke type " appointment,who has no managerial experience before,especially after such a mess last season.
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Did Durham mention us?
Indeed he did and in typical Durham fashion he said why would he leave a secure job to join a club with an unsecure job
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Clement is now odds on with all bookies on Oddschecker. Are the bookies putting 2 and 2 together and making 5!
I saw that too. Really by this stage of the game the bookies are proving that they know Jacques Merde.
Lennon's odds tumbled when he resigned at Celtic.
Then when Clement was on telly on Saturday night they cut his odds.
At this rate if me and- say- 10 mates all had fifty quid with one bookie on a given manager, his odds would tumble and the rest would follow suit.
Makes me wonder whether a few out of work managers have actually tried this, in the hope that a desperate chairman somewhere might have his head turned...
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I'm convinced it's going to be Mackay. I think it would have been last time if there wasn't the issue between him and Cardiff.
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Martin Jol for me is the only realistic choice with the experience that everyone will accept
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I'm convinced it's going to be Mackay. I think it would have been last time if there wasn't the issue between him and Cardiff.
Probably the hoofiest of them all
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Martin Jol for me is the only realistic choice with the experience that everyone will accept
I'd like to see Jol or Moyes, but unfortunately we'll have to accept whoever is put in-front of us
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Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski
Paul Clement is unlikely to be considered as #wba boss at this stage of the club's search.
I can now discount one of my fancied 'runners'.
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Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski
Paul Clement is unlikely to be considered as #wba boss at this stage of the club's search.
Until the other 7 turn us down at least! ;D
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I'd like Moyes in an ideal world - well, after Pepe that is.
But you know what - I think I'd be happy with Jol right now.
And quickly. Because some of the dreadful names I'm hearing is making me cold to the marrow.
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What I'd like is an experienced manager who has experience in this kind of structure. For that reason, I'd love it to be mcClaren or Jol. I guess Jol is more likely as he's out of employment.
Mint wresting that CL has written clement off.
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Apparently the Dave Jones, Steve ROund and Paul Clement werent in the remaining seven (Told by someone ITK) Makes me wonder who actually is in the seven!
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So it looks like we'll be up against Saints for a manager. If they sell Lallana and sure then a manger is looking at a £50 million war chest at least. Any manager/head coach who likes the attacking pressing game will surely be drawn towards them. I'd say we need to move fast.
That said, I don't think we'll both be after all the same coaches / managers. Maybe 1 or 2. Definitely a better prospect for the likes of Clement
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Apparently the Dave Jones, Steve ROund and Paul Clement werent in the remaining seven (Told by someone ITK) Makes me wonder who actually is in the seven!
We could try naming the 7 for funsies!
Moyes
McClaren
Jol
Sherwood
Mackay
Hughton
Garcia
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We could try naming the 7 for funsies!
Moyes
McClaren
Jol
Sherwood
Mackay
Hughton
Garcia
Or more likely
Clement
Downing
Jones
Hughton
Downing
er, Downing
Ummm.... Hughton?
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Can't get my head around Jol, he did a terrible job at Fulham and eventually left a quality Tottenham side at the bottom of the league. Nice guy but no thanks from me. I'd personally prefer McInnes on the realistic list or get the boat pushed out for Dyche but I highly doubt that!!
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Can't get my head around Jol, he did a terrible job at Fulham and eventually left a quality Tottenham side at the bottom of the league. Nice guy but no thanks from me. I'd personally prefer McInnes on the realistic list or get the boat pushed out for Dyche but I highly doubt that!!
Oddly I'm not a massive fan of Jol but I'm starting to think go for him because of how I suspect next season's squad will be set up. We aren't going to have a Tottenham style line up for starters and that's why I think he will work.
Chicken or egg though - I think manager needs to be in before new squad, so how long are we looking at??
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Can't get my head around Jol, he did a terrible job at Fulham and eventually left a quality Tottenham side at the bottom of the league. Nice guy but no thanks from me. I'd personally prefer McInnes on the realistic list or get the boat pushed out for Dyche but I highly doubt that!!
That was Juande Ramos who left Spurs in the relegation zone, the Spurs fans were actually quite annoyed when he left if I remember rightly.
Jol's record as a manager is excellent, the start of his season with Fulham is the only time he's really done badly. People just have impossibly high expectations where seemingly they expect us to get an experienced manager who plays great football and has never failed.
I don't think we'll get Jol anyway, but he's definitely one of the best names available to a club of our size.
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Good managers can really make a difference we know , but the dross from some of our players has made me glad we have had a clear out .
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I'm convinced it's going to be Mackay. I think it would have been last time if there wasn't the issue between him and Cardiff.
I was in the directors box and Malky happened to be in their as a guest of the club whilst watching future opponents and believe me he is highly rated by Peace and Co due to what we all heard. Would not surprise me at all tbf if he was appointed.
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I was in the directors box and Malky happened to be in their as a guest of the club whilst watching future opponents and believe me he is highly rated by Peace and Co due to what we all heard. Would not surprise me at all tbf if he was appointed.
If he was in the Halfords Directors box/Chairmans suite then I'd say that is a fair indication of how they see him given most opposition or visiting managers come in the Richardson Suite and sit in the East Stand
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Oh well he will fit in with the current hoofers who didn't want to play football for Mel
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If he was in the Halfords Directors box/Chairmans suite then I'd say that is a fair indication of how they see him given most opposition or visiting managers come in the Richardson Suite and sit in the East Stand
I dont know if they were trying to impress him but it was the same day that the model of the new Halfords upgrade was displayed in the box.
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There's certainly a cloud over Malky's infamous departure from Cardiff.
I was amazed when Malky and Moody issued apologies 'to the club and especially to Vincent Tan' a couple of weeks ago.
In an interview last week Tan said "They should ask why he apologises? They should find out from him.
"Legally, I'm not supposed to say. I wish I could say. but I can't. Ask him why he apologises.
There's certainly something gone on there and it's clear it wasn't totally a case of Tan falling out with Malky over normal day to day matters.
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There's certainly a cloud over Malky's infamous departure from Cardiff.
I was amazed when Malky and Moody issued apologies 'to the club and especially to Vincent Tan' a couple of weeks ago.
In an interview last week Tan said "They should ask why he apologises? They should find out from him.
"Legally, I'm not supposed to say. I wish I could say. but I can't. Ask him why he apologises.
There's certainly something gone on there and it's clear it wasn't totally a case of Tan falling out with Malky over normal day to day matters.
Can't really hold with that, no disrespect to you at all my man.... but Tan is an out and out nutter.
Phew. Suddenly JP seems utterly kissable....
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Can't really hold with that, no disrespect to you at all my man.... but Tan is an out and out nutter.
Phew. Suddenly JP seems utterly kissable....
All I've stated is fact - Tan may be a nutter BUT Malky and Moody did issue those apologies and Tan made the comment that I've mentioned.
Here's the interview - Tan again comes across as a semi nutter but why would Malky make a public apology if he's done nothing wrong ?
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-vincent-tan-launches-stunning-7103377
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All I've stated is fact - Tan may be a nutter BUT Malky and Moody did issue those apologies and Tan made the comment that I've mentioned.
Here's the interview - Tan again comes across as a semi nutter but why would Malky make a public apology if he's done nothing wrong ?
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-vincent-tan-launches-stunning-7103377
Cheers, Adder - since read the article.... interesting and hard to take sides. Even like what Tan says here - even if he is in red!! I can see him smarting having put in money and it still turns to rat-s#1T. Surprisingly good interview.
Still, I DO like the concept of semi-nutter!!
I DO however like the
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I don't know anything about Mackay really. Other than I Cardiff done really well when getting promoted and a lot of people on here don't want him. A lot of people on here also have some funny ideas and conceptions on football/wba so I'd give the man a chance. Peace is where he is because he's good at it, so if he thinks highly of him then there's a good reason and it's a good reason to back him
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If anyone ever wanted to make the case for not letting "football people" loose with a club's cheque book they should cite the Cornelius transfer to Cardiff. £8m fee and £45k a week wages, what were they thinking? Fortunately MacKay will not be given anywhere near as much leeway if he was appointed to our post and as such I don't think he would want the role.
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Mackay would bring a terrible brand of football.
Reckon it was bad under Clarke? Add in an element of Pulis at Stoke and you'd be thinking along the right lines. The gates would start to dwindle.
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I will be as devastated as I was when Clarke got the job if Malky gets it
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This thread is comedy gold.
Steve Clarke - who delivered our most successful season in a generation - is being spoken of as if we were playing Pulis anti-football during his tenure.
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This thread is comedy gold.
Steve Clarke - who delivered our most successful season in a generation - is being spoken of as if we were playing Pulis anti-football during his tenure.
The fact that Steve Clarke was coach when we finished 8th looks good on paper and that's what will be in the records for ever more.
That fact alone hides a multitude of sins.
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Right now, I couldn't give a monkeys about the style of play.
I want solid foundations and some home wins. I leave the ground happy when we win, regardless of whether it's 1-0 or 5-0. Under Mel, we had some really entertaining games but I left utterly drunk off when drawing 3-3 with Cardiff and Spurs.
In a perfect world we'd play attractive football and win lots of games - this is the Premiership though.
I'd love to see great football but we need to get ourselves organised first. We have gone backwards as a team over the last 12 months. We need to get back to being solid.
For me, someone like MacKay would at least instil some discipline at the club and Downing/Kiely/the players wouldn't walk all over him - that would be my fear with an inexperienced manager like Clement
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Malky was the pundit for the Champ play off on Al Jazeera in the middle east at the weekend.
Offered very little insight in to the game at the start, half time or the end. He assumed QPR would win comfortably and that Derby had done well to get there mainly because of McLaren. Peter Reid was the other pundit and made him sound as though he was a bad Sunday league manager!
I haven't seen much of Cardiff to be fair but if Malky's attempt at being a pundit is anything to go by be very afraid that he will be appointed.
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Further Developments today on the Head Coach front
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Further Developments today on the Head Coach front
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/05/27/west-brom-linked-with-spanish-strikers/ At the end of this piece it says
"Albion are pressing ahead with sounding out potential signings as they zero in on a new head coach with interviews set to start in the next week.
But they are not currently looking to pursue Paul Clement, despite the Real Madrid No.2 expressing an interest in moving to England and being installed as bookies’ favourite for the Hawthorns hotseat."
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So in various media articles over the last 2 weeks we've distanced ourselves from Hughton, Lennon and now Clement.
Thats slightly encouraging although it still leaves Mackay and Downing in the running. My problem with these 2 is that currently, at best, they are championship managers. Until they prove themselves able candidates they cant be given the job of kicking us on next season.
At this moment in time we need a coach with experience and nous in the premiership. I'd be happy with any one of Moyes, Jol, McClaren or even Ranieri. We just need to convince one of them to take it on.
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Latest from Express & Star.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/05/27/west-brom-to-finalise-three-man-shortlist-for-top-job/?
The Baggies are compiling an initial seven-man list and hope to narrow down the search to a final trio by the weekend.
The three will then be interviewed by chairman Jeremy Peace – but Clement is unlikely to be among them despite being installed as odds-on favourite by bookies after helping Real win the Champions League on Monday.
Clement is understood to be interested in exploring his management options in England despite saying yesterday that he is happy in the Spanish capital.
But the Baggies are not planning to pursue the 42-year-old – brother of former Hawthorns defender Neil – at this stage.
Neither Chris Hughton nor Dave Jones, who have both been placed near the top of the bookmakers’ lists, are thought to be leading contenders while Neil Lennon, who left Celtic last week, has been ruled out.
“Working for Real Madrid is a fantastic experience and I’m very happy here at the moment,” said Clement. “My family are settled and we’d like to stay and enjoy this experience.
“But I do have ambitions to make that step up to management at some point in the near future.
“If the right club comes along at the right time then I’d like to do it.”
Hughton Lennon Jones and Clement ruled out by the looks of it.
Just add Malky to that list and i will breath more easily.He is probably the Most long ball of them all
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The thing I don't get about this, is that fans can easily see something, for example how X shouldn't be in line to be Albion manager because they only have a history of hoofball and simply aren't of a standard for a club wishing to be consistantly Prem level. Yet those involved with the club, or any club for that matter, people who live football and have nothing to do but be absorbed by football cannot see that very same point.
Is it because it's harder to disregard an option once you've met that guy and got on and "he's alright really"?
I know the people in the offices at the Albion are just people and as so will make mistakes. But in faffing over Mel and then getting that wrong (by their accounts, I wanted him to stay), then sacking him without a follow up plan and now seemingly serveying the market in an unfocused way and considering people most fans would warn to stay away from.... I don't know, it just seems that the closer people are to living within the football world, the more they become blind to what is obvious to the fans?
I'd rather a completely unknown option from the continent takes over (but who obviously speakes very good english)..... Claudio the Tinkerman being the most public version of such an option.
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The thing I don't get about this, is that fans can easily see something, for example how X shouldn't be in line to be Albion manager because they only have a history of hoofball and simply aren't of a standard for a club wishing to be consistantly Prem level. Yet those involved with the club, or any club for that matter, people who live football and have nothing to do but be absorbed by football cannot see that very same point.
Is it because it's harder to disregard an option once you've met that guy and got on and "he's alright really"?
I know the people in the offices at the Albion are just people and as so will make mistakes. But in faffing over Mel and then getting that wrong (by their accounts, I wanted him to stay), then sacking him without a follow up plan and now seemingly serveying the market in an unfocused way and considering people most fans would warn to stay away from.... I don't know, it just seems that the closer people are to living within the football world, the more they become blind to what is obvious to the fans?
I'd rather a completely unknown option from the continent takes over (but who obviously speakes very good english)..... Claudio the Tinkerman being the most public version of such an option.
I agree with you in parts but must ask what makes you so sure that these unpopular choices are serious candidates? It's all press talk and rumour and nothing concrete. How do you know we've gone about this in an 'unfocused' way? I didn't agree with sacking Mel but the action is decisive, bold and suggests that they're aware that change is needed and I find it hard to believe that sacking him as soon as the season finishes shows focus. This isn't mid season fannying about this is close season rebuilding - see Burtons appointment, Garlick being reassigned. There is absolutely nothing to suggest we are blind and unfocused in our managerial search at all.
I agree some names are worrying, but there's some valid points as to why we are linked with those people. Nothing is concrete but we will only appeal to a certain level of coach - that's why Hodgson was such a coup. And as such we will be linked with any manager of a certain level. We don't poach managers from clubs so we'll be linked to jobless ones and in the grand scheme of things jobless managers are jobless for a reason, meaning they'll worry fans.
The club are being proactive, nobody is certain of the top three candidates just like we don't know who has applied or been short listed or what. Nothing concrete has come from the club so you simply cannot allude to them not caring about fans with their search as you cannot know who's close to getting it.
As much as I liked Mel and thought he was treated badly, I am pleased the club are prepared to act on what they deem 'mistakes' than try and bodge and hide the situation. And in that vein of thought the scariest appointment would be Downing.
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A small point I know, but "X and Y are not thought to be leading contenders" doesn't actually rule them out. Someone could be fifth choice but if negotiations stall with numbers 1 to 4......
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The thing I don't get about this, is that fans can easily see something, for example how X shouldn't be in line to be Albion manager because they only have a history of hoofball and simply aren't of a standard for a club wishing to be consistantly Prem level. Yet those involved with the club, or any club for that matter, people who live football and have nothing to do but be absorbed by football cannot see that very same point.
I agree with a lot of what you say but, at this stage, we don't know for certain who is being considered by the club, rather than those mooted in the press and by bookies.
But assuming, rather pessimistically, that one of the hoofball merchants is appointed then I think we have to accept (like it or lump it) that the club, unlike us fans, will see things in other dimensions other than just the quality and entertainment value of the football. They will surely have other considerations to bring to bear in looking for a head coach, such as
- ability to work within the structure as head coach rather than manager
- ability to work with existing, non-playing, personnel
- acceptance of a limited transfer budget
- level of salary and other conditions
- ability to ensure Premiership survival (by whatever means)
- and no doubt a few more.
In short, playing style is only one of the things they will consider.
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1 week for season ticket deadline..... I want to know who will be in charge before I renew but guess zero percent that is going to happen !!!
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A bit concerning MacKay consistently doesn't get ruled out, it'd seem he's well and truly one of our main candidates. Likewise the fact Downing hasn't had anything ruling him out, I wouldn't be at all surprised if 2 of our final 3 comprised of those two.
Even aside from his horribly negative football he's really proved very little. True he got Cardiff promoted but in the premier he alongside his technical director made some very poor signings, failed to intergrate some of their quality into the squad (Odemwingie completely failed there for example), and their form had well and truly collapsed with only the win against us keeping their heads when we were desperately poor to shout about in his last couple of months there, all the signs were they would get relegated with him.
He has neither the experience we should be after, or the promise and potential of a younger coach or manager. Perhaps more concerning is even with Marshall, Caulker, and Medel playing, their defence was also a shambles, and they struggled to score. If you're going to go for a negative manager, at least go for someone who's actually proven they can keep the club up. Nothing so far suggests Malky MacKay is anything more than the next Aidy Boothroyd or Phil Brown.
Looking at Cardiff's record this season under him in his 18 games they only scored 13, conceded 28, the best thing you could say is they had 17 points from those 18 games. All this despite spending 30m+ in the summer, along with getting a few players like Caulker and Medel who he would never be able to get here.
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1 week for season ticket deadline..... I want to know who will be in charge before I renew but guess zero percent that is going to happen !!!
maybe they will extend the deadline.The right appointment will obviously encourage more sales.Have you noticed they have not said how many sold to date in relation to this time last year
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A bit concerning MacKay consistently doesn't get ruled out, it'd seem he's well and truly one of our main candidates. Likewise the fact Downing hasn't had anything ruling him out, I wouldn't be at all surprised if 2 of our final 3 comprised of those two.
Even aside from his horribly negative football he's really proved very little. True he got Cardiff promoted but in the premier he alongside his technical director made some very poor signings, failed to intergrate some of their quality into the squad (Odemwingie completely failed there for example), and their form had well and truly collapsed with only the win against us keeping their heads when we were desperately poor to shout about in his last couple of months there, all the signs were they would get relegated with him.
He has neither the experience we should be after, or the promise and potential of a younger coach or manager. Perhaps more concerning is even with Marshall, Caulker, and Medel playing, their defence was also a shambles, and they struggled to score. If you're going to go for a negative manager, at least go for someone who's actually proven they can keep the club up. Nothing so far suggests Malky MacKay is anything more than the next Aidy Boothroyd or Phil Brown.
Looking at Cardiff's record this season under him in his 18 games they only scored 13, conceded 28, the best thing you could say is they had 17 points from those 18 games. All this despite spending 30m+ in the summer, along with getting a few players like Caulker and Medel who he would never be able to get here.
Terry Burton is a long time admirer of the long ball from his wimbledon days so no doubt he will be championing Malky
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Terry Burton is a long time admirer of the long ball from his wimbledon days so no doubt he will be championing Malky
It is not the long ball that worries me as much as those stark and damning statistics.
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Just heard Durham say Malky is favourite for the Southampton job.Please let this be true.
Matt Holland also said Clement has turned us down, news to me
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"Terry Burton is a long time admirer of the long ball from his Wimbledon days" Yes this is true and also is big mates with David Jones who sources say he rates very highly as a manager and person. Not looking good is for the future if the man who is in control of the "footballing department" makes those sort of football judgements.
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"Terry Burton is a long time admirer of the long ball from his Wimbledon days" Yes this is true and also is big mates with David Jones who sources say he rates very highly as a manager and person. Not looking good is for the future if the man who is in control of the "footballing department" makes those sort of football judgements.
I think Dave Jones is more likely to encourage his players to play a better brand of football, so all is not lost :)
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All I can say is that I would prefer McKay to Downing.At least he has a bit of personality.The thought of Zdowning is causing me a helluva lot of stress at the moment.There is of course Mclaren,Sherwood,Moyes and Jol.
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Terry Burton is a long time admirer of the long ball from his wimbledon days so no doubt he will be championing Malky
I highly doubt he would have been given such a prominent role at Arsenal if he was championing long ball.
Furthemore, during his time at Cardiff and Sheffield Wednesday with Dave Jones, both of those clubs tried to play good, attractive football. It was only when Burton left Sheffield Wednesday that Dave Jones fell apart.
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All I can say is that I would prefer McKay to Downing.At least he has a bit of personality.The thought of Zdowning is causing me a helluva lot of stress at the moment.There is of course Mclaren,Sherwood,Moyes and Jol.
It has got to be one of the last four mentioned now that Clement has been ruled out. I wouldn't be against Hoddle or Adkins either.
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I highly doubt he would have been given such a prominent role at Arsenal if he was championing long ball.
Furthemore, during his time at Cardiff and Sheffield Wednesday with Dave Jones, both of those clubs tried to play good, attractive football. It was only when Burton left Sheffield Wednesday that Dave Jones fell apart.
Dave and Terry an awesome twosome then
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With Pochettino having left Southampton to go to Spurs, Southampton could well be interested in people who will be on our shortlist, so it puts some additional pressure on us to get on with appointing someone and not dithering around.
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So, just to clarify spurs get rid of their old manager after us and appoint the replacement before us?
What are the odds that saints appoint before us?
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With Pochettino having left Southampton to go to Spurs, Southampton could well be interested in people who will be on our shortlist, so it puts some additional pressure on us to get on with appointing someone and not dithering around.
Without last seasons stars to call on I don't think that job is as attractive as last season.
Hopefully Milky gets it
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So, just to clarify spurs get rid of their old manager after us and appoint the replacement before us?
What are the odds that saints appoint before us?
1-10! In other words it's a racing certainty.
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With Pochettino having left Southampton to go to Spurs, Southampton could well be interested in people who will be on our shortlist, so it puts some additional pressure on us to get on with appointing someone and not dithering around.
Sadly, dithering around is an Albion speciality.
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To me it points more and more towards Downing
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So, just to clarify spurs get rid of their old manager after us and appoint the replacement before us?
What are the odds that saints appoint before us?
. Because we have to make sure Downing is the right choice
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It could be Downing because Peace can't ever actually get anybody to say YES(to many restrictions and too low with the wages)
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To me it points more and more towards Downing
I can see it now.
'Keith was the unanimous choice amongst the board from the start of the process. Keith knows the club inside out....blah blah blah'
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Imagine Dave Jones,Terry Burton and Keith Downing what a management trio that would make.WOW I can see Premiership players lining up now to work with them.
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It's going to be Downing.
Fasten your seat belts, folks. Even though we will be going at 18mph.
Think next season is going to be worse than this one if so.
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Having digested JP's interview with CL and his subsequent statement I am convinced that he is going to surprise us all. If he was thinking about Downing he would have confirmed his appointment by now.
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It won't be Downing, in fact I can see him leaving the club.
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I haven't got a clue who's in the frame, but do think we have to be a bit more open minded in some respects.
Just a general observation, in the majority of professions / employments, we generally learn a hell of a lot more when things haven't gone well than when things go smoothly.
On that basis I wouldn't discount anyone whose last job may not have been as successful as had been hoped. It doesn't automatically make that person a failure and they may be fired up by having a point to prove and / or be wise enough to learn from past experiences.
Personally I hope the person who gets the job genuinely wants the role, rather than someone who has to be persuaded to take it, someone with a real desire to take on the Albion job, maybe a youngish Coach aiming high with Albion being the next stage, or someone whose had a tough time but has real Coaching experience and quality.
For me, I'd favour that over the same old names on the managerial merry go round, and I'd certainly have no issues with someone presently in the Championship, or lower.
If those options were not to hand, I'd have no issues with an internal appointment or a return of an ex employee (not necessarily an ex Coaching employee).
I've also no issue with style of play and believe this "Albion way" theme is a distraction and has no relevance to any Albion fan under the age of 40 (sadly I'm not in that age category, but I want effective football for WBA Fc, anything else is a bonus).
Just a few random thoughts on the subject.
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if its downing we will go down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cant see it at all . we need a new man and number 2 to freshen it up
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I cant see it being Keith Downing! He didnt get the job when Steve Clarke got the boot he wont get it now.
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Jol, Adkins, McLaren or Hoddle. I am convinced it will be from among that group of four.
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I am not sure who it will end up being, but it will not be Downing. He doesnt want it. He could have had it last time but didnt.
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Why oh why are we so slow at appointing any one or buying players linked with any one who is no one or has bee one !!! If they knew they were going to sack Pep then they should have had his replacement in mind and in place already . What happens next if the new manager don't like the players we sign before they are appointed? We are the the tail wagging the dog.
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It won't be Downing, in fact I can see him leaving the club.
I doubt he'd be first choice but if we got rejected by a few people then he'd probably get the job this time. Looking down the odd's list there's really not many realistic options available to us who you'd think the club place above him.
Still think the signs point to MacKay though, in which case it'll be another season wondering why on earth we got rid of Clarke in the first place.
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Is there any chance of Di Matteo being offered it again? There was talk of him last time, but I heard it said he would have lost compensation from Chelsea if he'd taken it then
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I see the early Saints favourite is ex Basel manager Murat Yakin - he's got a good record. Out of our reach?!
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Is there any chance of Di Matteo being offered it again? There was talk of him last time, but I heard it said he would have lost compensation from Chelsea if he'd taken it then
Never go back....why would he be any better than last time around?
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I doubt he'd be first choice but if we got rejected by a few people then he'd probably get the job this time. Looking down the odd's list there's really not many realistic options available to us who you'd think the club place above him.
Still think the signs point to MacKay though, in which case it'll be another season wondering why on earth we got rid of Clarke in the first place.
. The club made a mistake in the first place appointing Clarke and an even bigger one not sacking him at the end of last season . Malky will be just as disastrous
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I suggested Adkins at the start. It's who I'm sticking with.
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. The club made a mistake in the first place appointing Clarke and an even bigger one not sacking him at the end of last season . Malky will be just as disastrous
So after leading us to our highest premiership finish ever he should be sacked?
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So after leading us to our highest premiership finish ever he should be sacked?
Yes, also didn't you know that Mel who lets be honest hardly did anything is Corberan.
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Nobody has ruled Moyes out yet. Pleeeeeeaaassssseeeee let it be!
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I suggested Adkins at the start. It's who I'm sticking with.
Adkins would be a very good fit. Was very unfortunate to lose his job at Saints. Plays decent football, has good Premiership experience . Doesn't seem to have an ego and is likely to welcome another shot in the Premiership.
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Is there any chance of Di Matteo being offered it again? There was talk of him last time, but I heard it said he would have lost compensation from Chelsea if he'd taken it then
Doubt it was anything to do with compensation. More like the fact that our board know what he is and he is a lazy Head Coach.
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I've just checked the latest odds on Oddschecker and the top six are Clement, Mackay, Lennon, Jones, Hughton and Downing. Frankly, I will be very surprised if any of these will get the nod. The bookies will be laughing all the way to the bank! My advice to Albion fans: keep your money in your pocket.
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"Pochettino has taken his entire back-room staff to White Hart Lane with Jesus Perez (assistant head coach), Miguel D'Agostino (first team coach) and Toni Jimenez (goalkeeping coach) all following him to north London"
Source: Sky Sports (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9328272)
We can only hope that we don't compromise our chances of getting the best head coach by not giving him the opportunity to do the same, should he wish to.
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Albion sources rule out leading contenders for manager job.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-albion-sources-rule-7179265
Neither the current odds-on favourite Paul Clement, Chris Hughton, Neil Lennon, Dave Jones nor Malky Mackay are believed to be on the club’s wish-list.
Albion have not ruled out paying compensation should the right candidate become available and that in itself will increase the possibility of Aberdeen’s Derek McInnes being approached.
Keith Downing’s stock has never been higher within the dressing room and he must now have a genuine chance of getting the job.Tim Sherwood remains very much a long-shot, as does the possibility of Glenn Hoddle.
So who's left? God no please don't let it be Brian McDermott or Downing. For me the the best two would be Moyes or McClaren. I haven't renewed my season ticket yet but intend to do so. I can't help feeling if its one of the first two I mentioned how gutted I will be and how much I won't want to renew.
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Seemingly Downing will be interviewed and given Peace is a big fan I'd imagine McInnes will be close to the top contenders. Beyond those two though its hard to see any clear candidates so i'd expect a couple of suprise names in that top 3 or 4. Petrescu and Hyypia are both available, speak good English, and have good records, albeit only abroad.
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What a shower of names we have been looking at.
If it's McDermatitis or or We're Going Downing I'll get my coat now.
Seriously, Peace made a grand speech at the start of this week. He really, really needs to put his money where his PR mouth is - otherwise we are going nowhere as a club until he's gone.
I think Peace has been fantastic for us. But unless he can see things differently we are in a proper cul de sac from now on.
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I am convinced Bill Howell is on a big commission if Downing gets the job as he seems to sing his praises at every opportunity. Bill, I am sorry to tell you that you are wasting your time. Downing has got no chance.
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Bit of a long shot, but I'd love to see Frank de Boer approached. Won the Dutch league at Ajax 4 times, plays attacking passing football, used to working with the youth rather than demanding expensive signings, and was ready to go to Spurs. Otherwise, Ronald Koeman, who finished second at Feyenoord and was interested in the Villa job some years ago, is also free.
I assume Michael Laudrup has been ruled out, but I was very impressed with the football he developed at Swansea.
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With Pochettino having left Southampton to go to Spurs, Southampton could well be interested in people who will be on our shortlist, so it puts some additional pressure on us to get on with appointing someone and not dithering around.
Yes this dithering around and due diligence is annoying and frustrating when you see other clubs appointing new managers/coaches more quickly. The process can hardly claim to be successful with previous coaches not lasting long and in RH's case it was an opportunist situation. The delay will also have a knock-on effect on player recruitment.
If a new appointment is not made by next week at the latest I will be very disappointed.
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Right now there is no one to Coach, I cannot see what difference a week here or there makes. Equally as rapidly as one potential candidate that seems to giving fans nightmares is discounted another bogeyman emerges from the shadows to terrify the fans. If its' not Hughton it must be Downing or McDermott. Well it might be but equally it might not be. It seems we must have a bogeyman.
The fact that we have not completely ruled out paying compensation might open the door to McClaren or Howe or McInnes or Rosler. Sorry if any of those names frighten any of you who might be of a nervous disposition but the fact they a managing in the Championship or SPL means they are not being paid a fortune so therefore compensation is less of an issue. Of course that would make them the cheap option and therefore wholly unsuitable for such a prestigious appointment.
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Seems as usual we are hanging back and procrastinating whilst other clubs just get on with appointments. Eventually all that will be left will be a choice between Downing or Downing, perhaps that is the plan.
Excited and spurred on by the immediate aftermath of Pepes unfortunate demise, the hiring of Terry B and the culling of deadwood....but after Mr Ps, " its all my fault" speech expected some decisive action, all seems to have gone quiet again.
We seem to be adept at being invisible at time, almost encouraging the perception of our nonentity status that the gutter press believes and thrives off.
Hopefully there is a plan, a chosen candidate already lined up, hence the lack no activity,,if so, why dont we just get on with it, wonder how much due diligence time Spurs needed?
Every close season we seem to retreat into obscurity, are the last to announce sponsorships, ( even forced to play without any ), the last to officially unveil our strips, and seem very slow in the transfer market.
Am i being fair or just succumbing to the affects of the so called journalists who seem to hype everyone else in the league ( new love in with QPR already at puke level) except us ( and now of course new targets, Burnley)
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I think Mr Burton's first task will be to send Messrs Downing & Keily on their way, clearing the decks for the new Head Coach and his entourage. Thus taking the direct task away from JP and leaving his hands clean. We can but hope !
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Moyes, mclaren, qique flores and downing are the final 4.
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Moyes, mclaren, qique flores and downing are the final 4.
100% or just an opinion? Shame Downing is there!
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Moyes, mclaren, qique flores and downing are the final 4.
Cant see McClaren being there no news of an aproach from Derby side
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Cant see McClaren being there no news of an aproach from Derby side
I'd imagine we're just talking to agents at the moment anyway. However I think moyes has the job in the bag. We need moyes to being in one coach, he'll want to bring in two. I'm sure well compromise for him.
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Cant see McClaren being there no news of an aproach from Derby side
I guess with the finalising of the 3/4 we'll talk to managers next week. Burton will be involved then also
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Moyes, Mclaren, Flores, Downing.
Spot the odd one out.
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Will we see any white smoke this week
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Moyes, Mclaren, Flores, Downing.
Spot the odd one out.
Not clear where this list of names has sprung from. Is there any basis in fact or is it just speculation?
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Interesting to see that Ronald Koeman has been made the early bookies favourite for the Southampton job, but he hasn't really been mentioned as far as our vacancy is concerned. I guess that's a reflection of Southampton running with a bigger budget than us.
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Not clear where this list of names has sprung from. Is there any basis in fact or is it just speculation?
Nothing reported on any reputable media source at this stage they are four names that have not been ruled out. Here are another 4 Rosler Klinsmann Curbishley Mendilibar. You will note that it has the bogeyman a Spaniard (all short lists must have a Spainiard) a manager currently employed in the Championship and one that is ever so slightly unrealistic. In other words your guess is as good as mine.
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Anyone cosidered Van Basten.
DOing a good job at Herenveen and quite experienced as a coa h now and if anyone can get forwards scoring goals ......
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Will we see any white smoke this week
No, it will be next week probably towards the end of the week.
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No, it will be next week probably towards the end of the week.
After season ticket deadline then :)
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If it does end up being Downing then the club might want to explain why an article on the clubs official website states that Downing would remain in his current role.
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-part-company-with-pepe-mel-1547742.aspx
Hoping it won't come to this though.
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After season ticket deadline then :)
Diod you ever doubt it?
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Nothing reported on any reputable media source at this stage they are four names that have not been ruled out. Here are another 4 Rosler Klinsmann Curbishley Mendilibar. You will note that it has the bogeyman a Spaniard (all short lists must have a Spainiard) a manager currently employed in the Championship and one that is ever so slightly unrealistic. In other words your guess is as good as mine.
Pretty much as I thought. Speculation.
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If it does end up being Downing then the club might want to explain why an article on the clubs official website states that Downing would remain in his current role.
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-part-company-with-pepe-mel-1547742.aspx
Hoping it won't come to this though.
Could mean current role as pseudo head coach...
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if it was a final 3 of Flores, Moyes and McLaren i would be happy with this.
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if it was a final 3 of Flores, Moyes and McLaren i would be happy with this.
Count me in with your happy brigade
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It wont be Downing
I reckon it will be one of Moyes, McClaren, Hyypia, Jol or Ranieri
The only way it will be Downing is if we get rejected by our top 4/5 options.
JP has seen what happens when you have a top manager like Hodgson and what happens when you have inexperienced managers like Clarke/RDM. I keep hearing how tight JP is and that he will no doubt take the cheap option (despite there being no evidence for this). He is a businessman and a very good one at that. If he has Zola available for £1.5m a year or Moyes available for £3m a year I think he will go with Moyes every time.
Everything the club have said and done since the Stoke game points to a big (for us) name appointment
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Apologies if this has already been asked but here is a question for all those that think it will be Downing. Why are you so sure he actually wants the job?
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;D
I see the early Saints favourite is ex Basel manager Murat Yakin - he's got a good record. Out of our reach?!
I doubt this is likely as I understand he doesn't speak English.
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The way its going we will have no footballers left who support Downing
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Purely my opinion on this however, the club had a number of applications for the role, you would like think that the final 4 are people who have shown an interest in the club.
Peace has spoken (I think) about a quality coach/manager signing.
I think it will be Moyes. He is a big name that hasn't been ruled out. There was rumours that he was talking to us or at least his agent was.
He hasn't been linked (strongly) with the other clubs available including Celtic which would be the obvious choice.
The club will be seen as an ideal fit for him (eg RH factor). Location is another factor close to his home base.
Any money saved on compensation would go into his wages and I reckon Peace would bend over backwards to right the wrongs of last season.
I think it's him. Just feel it in my bones.
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Purely my opinion on this however, the club had a number of applications for the role, you would like think that the final 4 are people who have shown an interest in the club.
Peace has spoken (I think) about a quality coach/manager signing.
I think it will be Moyes. He is a big name that hasn't been ruled out. There was rumours that he was talking to us or at least his agent was.
He hasn't been linked (strongly) with the other clubs available including Celtic which would be the obvious choice.
The club will be seen as an ideal fit for him (eg RH factor). Location is another factor close to his home base.
Any money saved on compensation would go into his wages and I reckon Peace would bend over backwards to right the wrongs of last season.
I think it's him. Just feel it in my bones.
Moyes is fine with his terms offered, its all down to budgets etc
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Purely my opinion on this however, the club had a number of applications for the role, you would like think that the final 4 are people who have shown an interest in the club.
Peace has spoken (I think) about a quality coach/manager signing.
I think it will be Moyes. He is a big name that hasn't been ruled out. There was rumours that he was talking to us or at least his agent was.
He hasn't been linked (strongly) with the other clubs available including Celtic which would be the obvious choice.
The club will be seen as an ideal fit for him (eg RH factor). Location is another factor close to his home base.
Any money saved on compensation would go into his wages and I reckon Peace would bend over backwards to right the wrongs of last season.
I think it's him. Just feel it in my bones.
I hope your bones are right, but begs the question, if Moyes is genuinely in the frame why is it taking so long? Not saying he should be a shoe in and we need to show due diligence etc. but think we would have tied him up by now. Didn't we act pretty sharpish with Roy?
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Moyes due for talks over next few days, happy with wages and length of contract. He wants to know about our plan and if he will be able to have a say in the signings we will be making to shape the squad. Also he will be bringing in two coaches.
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Moyes will also be seeing what else is available in the market, both in the UK and abroad. He's not going to sign a 3 year deal with us only for Spurs to decide they want him a week later.
With Pardew and Allerdyce both staying, Pochettino going to Spurs and no obvious jobs for him abroad (he has previously spoken about working in Germany at some point in his career) that leaves us and Southampton as things stand. I would expect things to slowly gather pace over the next couple of weeks as I can't see him being high up Southamptons wish list and we become his only option.
Not 100% but still maintain everything points towards him being our next manager.
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Moyes due for talks over next few days, happy with wages and length of contract. He wants to know about our plan and if he will be able to have a say in the signings we will be making to shape the squad. Also he will be bringing in two coaches.
Mind me asking?
Where did you get that information?
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Mind me asking?
Where did you get that information?
Friend just text me, might be rubbish. Seems to fit in though
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I can also confirm Moyes will be having discussions with us and is fine with his own personal package being offered, don't ask me who i got it from because i cant say, a source very close.
Still a long way off but encouraging non the less
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I can also confirm Moyes will be having discussions with us and is fine with his own personal package being offered, don't ask me who i got it from because i cant say, a source very close.
Still a long way off but encouraging non the less
What did JP have when you were chattingn over that curry then? ;)
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Moyes would be a Hodgson like appointment, we would have a safe pair of hands at our club again.
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Moyes due for talks over next few days, happy with wages and length of contract. He wants to know about our plan and if he will be able to have a say in the signings we will be making to shape the squad. Also he will be bringing in two coaches.
Please Mr Peace give Moyes what he wants.
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It seems Paddy Power are in process of closing down betting on Downing. Won't even allow £2.90 as says exceeded maximum bet
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If we did manage to get Moyes i think we would all be satisfied.Am i correct?
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It seems Paddy Power are in process of closing down betting on Downing. Won't even allow £2.90 as says exceeded maximum bet
I don't understand your post I have just been on Paddy Power and they are offering 10/1
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Moyes due for talks over next few days, happy with wages and length of contract. He wants to know about our plan and if he will be able to have a say in the signings we will be making to shape the squad. Also he will be bringing in two coaches.
Seriously, you are just making this stuff up. Why bother?
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If we did manage to get Moyes i think we would all be satisfied.Am i correct?
Despite my dismay at Pepe's demise, I would see Moyes as an excellent appointment. Of course, you never can tell what's going to happen, but he would seem to be e good prospect and a bit of a coup.
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Seriously, you are just making this stuff up. Why bother?
He bothers because seriously he is not making this up
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He bothers because seriously he is not making this up
Well if that's the case then I take it back, I just can't see Moyes being interested in us. If he is then I will be over the moon.
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Well I for one would be very happy!
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Strangely, I can see why Moyes would be interested in us. He wants to rebuild his reputation and after his big pay-off, money isn't everything to him. He is aware of what it did for Roy Hodgson's career, so I can see all that.
What I don't see though is why JP would be so keen on Moyes, as it surely means a complete dismantling of the Head Coach structure to accommodate Moyes. I realise that Roy accepted it, but he was well into his 60s and was perhaps more willing to accept it.
I think JP will have to commit to the club undertaking a major sea-change in strategy to land Moyes. After his recent statement, maybe that is indeed in the pipeline?
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surely the situation is simply,
recruitment / selling / contracts is in Garlicks remit so business as usual
Coaching is in Burtons remit, so shortlisted applicants can be interviewed when he's (TB) on-board. (Jun 1st??)
Personally I would like short list to be Koemans / Moyes / Dyche.
Koemans because of his pedigree
Moyes because he's in a Roy MkII scenario
Dyche (I accept v.v.unlikely) because he would scare the pooh out of our clique and he has done wonders in his previous jobs
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Strangely, I can see why Moyes would be interested in us. He wants to rebuild his reputation and after his big pay-off, money isn't everything to him. He is aware of what it did for Roy Hodgson's career, so I can see all that.
What I don't see though is why JP would be so keen on Moyes, as it surely means a complete dismantling of the Head Coach structure to accommodate Moyes. I realise that Roy accepted it, but he was well into his 60s and was perhaps more willing to accept it.
I think JP will have to commit to the club undertaking a major sea-change in strategy to land Moyes. After his recent statement, maybe that is indeed in the pipeline?
Maybe after the way things went last season he's realised that Ashworth was something incredibly special and that without him our system struggles - certainly appears that way after last seasons showing. Maybe we need to sort out the core of the club by allowing a candidate to bring their coaches in. Would prevent and eradicate some issues we had last season with player power, clique forms, people crossing boundaries of their responsibility, head coach that has the power and ability to grab the team by the balls.
I'd suspect IF Moyes came in he'd have more of a say over transfers and day to day running of the club, but closer links for the 'footballing department' and the new role for Burton. That void between Clarke and Garlick was evident last summer and filled by a man that has been sacked for his part in transfers last summer. Could be the shake up we need. And I'm sure we can do better coach wise than KD and DK in all honesty.
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Could it spell the end for Downing? It might be a good thing really - the players need a shock to their systems
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I don't understand your post I have just been on Paddy Power and they are offering 10/1
Have you tried to bet on it then !? Bet it doesn't let you
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He bothers because seriously he is not making this up
I think you'll find he is.
Previous gems of his include "Kalou is 100% signing next week" last July (we never even had a bid accepted for him), and "Zarate is coming in for talks" (never happened).
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I think you'll find he is.
Previous gems of his include "Kalou is 100% signing next week" last July (we never even had a bid accepted for him), and "Zarate is coming in for talks" (never happened).
Give him a break, things change and in this instance he's been backed up by another poster who's heard the same thing. Talks are talks, he's not said that we should all lump £100 on Moyes immediately, and there's still a long way off. But it's encouraging especially when more than one person has information.
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Maybe after the way things went last season he's realised that Ashworth was something incredibly special and that without him our system struggles - certainly appears that way after last seasons showing. Maybe we need to sort out the core of the club by allowing a candidate to bring their coaches in. Would prevent and eradicate some issues we had last season with player power, clique forms, people crossing boundaries of their responsibility, head coach that has the power and ability to grab the team by the balls.
I'd suspect IF Moyes came in he'd have more of a say over transfers and day to day running of the club, but closer links for the 'footballing department' and the new role for Burton. That void between Clarke and Garlick was evident last summer and filled by a man that has been sacked for his part in transfers last summer. Could be the shake up we need. And I'm sure we can do better coach wise than KD and DK in all honesty.
Spot on. JP came within a hair's breadth of losing about half his fortune from the share value in recent weeks - maybe it has been just the wake-up call he needed to convince him that the model which has worked so well for a while is no longer fit for purpose.
The start of a new era? Let's hope so.
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Give him a break, things change and in this instance he's been backed up by another poster who's heard the same thing. Talks are talks, he's not said that we should all lump £100 on Moyes immediately, and there's still a long way off. But it's encouraging especially when more than one person has information.
Things don't change in an instant to the point you could say someone we haven't even agreed a fee with, yet alone wages which were a bigger issue for Kalou is "100% signing".
The whole Kalou saga last summer was a great way of weeding out wannabe in the know's. It's funny, the one guy who's information turned out to be true was the guy with information about the behind the scenes stuff about Mel which turned to be absolutely spot on, yet people still blame Downing.
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Spot on. JP came within a hair's breadth of losing about half his fortune from the share value in recent weeks - maybe it has been just the wake-up call he needed to convince him that the model which has worked so well for a while is no longer fit for purpose.
The start of a new era? Let's hope so.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't JP state we aren't going to rip up the book and start again because of one bad season?
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strange thing about Moyes and Sherwood is i was told about ten ths morning that it won't be either of them
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't JP state we aren't going to rip up the book and start again because of one bad season?
Yes he said one bad season doesn't make it a bad business model, in other words nothing will change!
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This farce yet again of dithering about an appointment is really taking the pee, this is the second time they knew they we're going to let a coach go, and they still don't have a replacement lined up, no wonder we can't attract decent players and everyone wants to leave.
Frustrating to say the least, other clubs make their mind up and go for it, but no not us, and we still end up making mistakes, it hurts us fans all the time.
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It's all pointing towards Downing. Which if the case, JP's statement last weak was as hollow as Jonathon Greening's head.
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It's all pointing towards Downing. Which if the case, JP's statement last weak was as hollow as Jonathon Greening's head.
All what is pointing toward Downing?
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Mcleish not been mentioned which is a bit of a surprise as he was before Pepe got appointed (no i don't think it would be good before anyone says) just saying as every other Tom Dick and Harry as surprised he got missed out
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The more I think about it the more I think Moyes would be interested.
For one he took the hardest job in football following Fergie at Utd.
Secondly it's a no lose situation at Albion. We have been on a downward spiral for 18 months or so. So any success we have next season would be down to the coach/manager and if we fail; then we were already doomed before he came in and he couldn't do anything to save us.
Now compare that to the Saints vacancy - they're a club on the up who've just had their best season in years and it will be really difficult to improve on that next season. But a poor season for them and the manager/coach will get the blame.
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It's all pointing towards Downing. Which if the case, JP's statement last weak was as hollow as Jonathon Greening's head.
What is 'all' pointing towards Downing? By all means complain if it is him but this constant moaning at things that not only haven't happened but are also very unlikely to are ridiculous.
If anything then everything is pointing to anyone but Downing. KD is already at the club, would require next to no contract talks, has already had a trial run in the role, is known to everyone at the club and would be cheap. We have known Mel was leaving for 2/3 months and if it was going to be Downing then he would of been appointed 2 weeks ago.
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Yes he said one bad season doesn't make it a bad business model, in other words nothing will change!
In which case there's little chance of Moyes coming
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Yet again weeks upon weeks putting together a list of canditates for JP to choose from? Its simple could be done in a day...... select a list of possibles, phone up their agent to see if a/interested, b/ happy to have our backroom staff and happy not to bring his own and c/ willing for the club to buy the players and not him. SIMPLE we are in a situation where we need a substantial amount of players to be brought (unless we wait til the end of August and panic buy) week upon weeks of bad press about the kit (simple release a picture and get it over with) astle, Pepe Mel ..... season ticket deadline Monday ...... still cant decide what to do !!! knowing how the club is run are they waiting for this pass before all the bad news is officially released..... Downing, Pin stripes and untried unknown players??
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If Southampton announce their head coach/manager before we do then i will feel a little uneasy about next season.
I suspect Burton is the one dealing with the footballers at the moment even though hes not officially with us until next week
Should never have got rid of Mel without a replacement but i suspect the same happend when we got rid of Clarke
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Interestingly, none of the top six in the betting for the Southampton vacancy have been linked with our head coach vacancy. See Oddschecker.com
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Playing Devils Advocate again, why would the club want to release good news before the cheaper season ticket deadline? You'd leave that for the supporters who'd renew regardless, then release good news to boost the number of full price tickets. I understand the flip side too obviously, but for all the slagging off the club for not acting before an early bird deadline, why should they? You want an early bird ticket, buy one. You don't and you dither, pay more.
Let's face it, if you want to watch the team next season, buy before the deadline. If you don't want to watch them, then you've got nothing to worry about any deadline. If you want to wait and see what the club does then consign yourself to paying more, simple as.
It's astonishing how often our fans imply that the club WANTS to do badly - as if we desperately want to cover up the bad news after a deadline when it's more likely that they want to progress and right some wrongs and won't let some season ticket deadline define when that decision is to be made.
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:D Love it
Que cera
Don't panick Mr Mannering
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Interestingly, none of the top six in the betting for the Southampton vacancy have been linked with our head coach vacancy. See Oddschecker.com
Its the bookies job to take money out of your pocket, a lot of this next manager fenzy is led by them.
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I don't follow the bookies when it comes to our hiring as it means nothing, just purely represents hear say and the way the money is going.
However I have had a punt on Moyes at 25/1 as I feel it is Hodgson all over again, let go buy a big club and looking to rebuild his career.
Peace got Hodgson, who as im sure no one would dare disagree was a great appointment and provided us with an unbelievable season and strength.
Moyes I think is hands down the best candidate for the job given his experience with Everton, and I feel this coup is one that will be pulled off again just as was done with Hodgson.
Sacked from Liverpool, now he is leading his country to a World Cup and has reached his career pinnacle, on the back of the success with us.
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chill its not like we look for a manager that often is it ;D
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it'll be done within the fortnight :)
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Two unbelievable options...
Option 1
" David, please come in....sit down, make yourself comfortable. I believe you have met Richard, please call me Jeremy...lets talk"
Option 2
" Keith, its all up to you now mate, off on hols, Terry will fill you in."
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Downing and Kiely could be the new Clough and Taylor.
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Downing and Kiely could be the new Clough and Taylor.
You may well be correct, it took Clough & Tylor a few years.European cup here we come
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Blimey we haven't hit June yet and the panic has begun.....
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Downing, Pin stripes and untried unknown players??
Is a very scary combination though I would hope after JP's statement, we won't be in that situation come the first game of the season. Next two months are probably the most important since we got promoted
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Should never have got rid of Mel without a replacement but i suspect the same happend when we got rid of Clarke
It was quite clear that he wasn't wanted at the club and we made the right decision in parting ways when he did.
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It's odd that a club that is supposedly is run on solid business principles, with a succession plan in place can spin out this sort of decision for so long... Especially when the new direction that a new boss will bring will be essential to summer recruitment.
It's even more amazing that it takes this long when we have explored the market and understood who is available twice in the last 6 months. (And the conclusion was Mel and Mel again!)
OK the talent pool changes as does the selection criteria. But now, 17 days after the season ended and the axe fell on Pepe (never mind when the decision was actually made) we are drawing up a list of 7 names in the frame and talking about interviewing a shortlist of 3.
Surely the previous, recent experience would have enabled them to do this more quickly, both from a process and knowing who is available perspective.
I would be all for due diligence (taking our time) and making sure we made the right selection if it actually meant anything. But, judging from December and January, taking our time doesn't mean we'll get it right, or buy into a guy and back him... it just means it takes longer.
I don't think it will be a left field choice. Peace knows he cannot afford to gamble again. He's said 'English speaking'. Various managers with a record of failure have been dismissed (in the press at least). The list will be realistic targets. The list of 7 is going to be pretty obvious isn't it?
Lets look at the list at the top of the page
Out of the picture (for one reason or another):
Hughton, Mackay, Sherwood, Lennon, McDermott, Giggs, Zola, Clement, Curbs, Pellegrino, Di Canio, Laudrup, Phelan, Jones, Neville, Eriksson, McCarthy, Allardyce, Pulis, Hoddle, Robinson, Garcia, Mendilibar (behind Mel last time), Slomka (just, just avoided relegation with Hamburg), Schaaf (Just appointed head coach at Eintracht Frankfurt), Bilic (working at Be?ikta? - why would he leave for West Brom?), Presinecki (Out of work after being sacked by Kayserispor in January).
Possibly still in the picture:
Flores (if I understand correctly he's just left Al-in), Petrescu (recently sacked by Dynamo Moscow),
That leaves...
Jol, Moyes, Rosler, McInnes , Downing and McClaren (who isn't on the list)
If Peace doesn't want to pay a release fee then it's between Jol, Moyes and Downing (NO!) with Flores and Petrescu as outsiders.
(Obviously I know nothing and I'm just working on what's in the public domain and a logical selection process.)
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Look on the bright side. Jeremy says "English speaking", so there's no chance of Paul Lambert getting the gig :D :D
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Look on the bright side. Jeremy says "English speaking", so there's no chance of Paul Lambert getting the gig :D :D
or Steve Clarke, Alex McLeish etc
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Blimey we haven't hit June yet and the panic has begun.....
Thats because, Kris, we havent been in such a massive hole that we need to dig ourselves out of before. We have to sign a new coach and 7 or 8 new players and gell them into a team to compete in the prem in less than a month. We need at least a first team up and running and firing on most cylinders by the time the pre seasons start. No good be johnny-come-latelies this time as we will definitely go down if we do.
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Sherwood it is
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I've seen a post elsewhere from someone who's known to be ITK saying that the recruitment process has currently slowed down because key people at Albion are away on holiday this week.
Also tweeted by Chris Lepkowski: "KD is on his hols, as are many others at the club. No appointment till next week."
I'm really not impressed at this. They knew they were going to be getting rid of Pepe Mel for some time and yet have still seen fit to be away at a vital time.
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Sherwood it is
. Would be happy with that
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I've seen a post elsewhere from someone who's known to be ITK saying that the recruitment process has currently slowed down because key people at Albion are away on holiday this week.
Also tweeted by Chris Lepkowski: "KD is on his hols, as are many others at the club. No appointment till next week."
I'm really not impressed at this. They knew they were going to be getting rid of Pepe Mel for some time and yet have still seen fit to be away at a vital time.
I AM impressed by it - quick, empty his locker!!!
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I've seen a post elsewhere from someone who's known to be ITK saying that the recruitment process has currently slowed down because key people at Albion are away on holiday this week.
Also tweeted by Chris Lepkowski: "KD is on his hols, as are many others at the club. No appointment till next week."
I'm really not impressed at this. They knew they were going to be getting rid of Pepe Mel for some time and yet have still seen fit to be away at a vital time.
Having dithered in January the club are in danger of doing exactly the same thing again.
They have known since February that Mel was going to go so it's not like they haven't had sufficient time to decide.
All this talk about short listing candidates and 'due diligence' in Albions terms is just starting to sound like a load of waffle now.
This point blank refusal to even consider paying compensation is a joke as well. Just further narrows down the options.
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You may well be correct, it took Clough & Tylor a few years.European cup here we come
More chance the new Chuckle Brothers
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Surely the problem is that no Manager or coach will accept the conditions that our Job has tied with it.This has happened Dec/Jan and again the last 4 weeks.I reckon we try all the names mentioned at the top of the betting and then try and save face by saying we are not interested in them.
Pepe turned us down once and we must have talked him into some sort of deal where he was just a figurehead.for 5 months.
We almost need a miracle to get a good name to agree or am I getting very negative.
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Thats 7 out of bookies top 10 ruled out leaving Downing, Hoddle, Moyes.
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This point blank refusal to even consider paying compensation is a joke as well. Just further narrows down the options.
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I think you're wrong there mate. I've seen various articles stating we are willing to pay compo this time. For what it's worth, IMO the two best people for this job are jobless anyway - Moyes and Jol. Even after those there's Sherwood and Flores who are both outta work. Laudrop too. Interested In McClaren who is of course in work
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It's funny how some are freaking out saying how much of a joke we are. It's only been 2 weeks
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Going through the bookies list and picking out people who haven't been ruled out and have more than one year of premier league experience (and not currently in a premier league job) leaves:
Moyes (though the E+S kind of ruled him out earlier)
Hoddle (as above)
McClaren
Zola
Jol
Laudrup
Coyle
Avram Grant
Ranieri
Curbishley
McLeish
Strachan
Zola strikes me as a good chance based on that list.
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It's funny how some are freaking out saying how much of a joke we are. It's only been 2 weeks
I tell you what is a joke this quote from the Birmingham Evening Mail
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-derek-mcinnes-not-7185199
"West Bromwich Albion officials are due to reconvene early next week to resume discussions over the head coach vacancy". Why next week, why not this week. What is more important for the club I really don't understand this. I'm almost lost for words.
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Could be linked to Burton being officially in post by then....or maybe a decision or two from possible managers who might have been approached already.
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I tell you what is a joke this quote from the Birmingham Evening Mail
"West Bromwich Albion officials are due to reconvene early next week to resume discussions over the head coach vacancy". Why next week, why not this week. What is more important for the club I really don't understand this. I'm almost lost for words.
Lots of good reasons initial approaches and discussions will be happening before we get to a short list we will know that each candidate is at least interested in principle. If anyone is currently in employment their clubs will be sounded out. Just because there isn't an hourly update in the Birmingham Mail does not mean nothing is happening.
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Could be linked to Burton being officially in post by then....or maybe a decision or two from possible managers who might have been approached already.
Unfortunately or fortunately we don't know what's going on at the club. There could be a whole raft of reasons why the process needs more time i.e availability of managers for discussions, Burton being involved in the process, after all his relationship with the new coach is very important and this is a massive decision with many new signings being considered, you would think that the process would involve the new coaches opinions on these new signings.
Personally not panicking yet, frustrated but IMO will be done and dusted with maybe some new players by the end of next week.
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It was the word "reconvene" that really got my goat. It sounds as if they are away on holiday or just having a break and will discuss things next week - "no rush Terry yeah see you after your holiday it will keep till then".
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48 pages of s***te and we still have no f*****g idea who its likely to be, ha ha ha
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It was the word "reconvene" that really got my goat. It sounds as if they are away on holiday or just having a break and will discuss things next week - "no rush Terry yeah see you after your holiday it will keep till then".
Actually my friend it is the traditioanl Whitsun week break and also its half term holidays round most of the West Midlands this week. I've only just got back from a 10 day break myself so yes many of the key people may well legitimately not be available for various reasons untill next week.
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I just hope we can get someone in before the World Cup. Will probably be pushing it now if they're not even meeting again until next week.
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I've seen a post elsewhere from someone who's known to be ITK saying that the recruitment process has currently slowed down because key people at Albion are away on holiday this week.
Also tweeted by Chris Lepkowski: "KD is on his hols, as are many others at the club. No appointment till next week."
I'm really not impressed at this. They knew they were going to be getting rid of Pepe Mel for some time and yet have still seen fit to be away at a vital time.
Did the club not announce it would be a 4 week appointment, 17 days ago after Pepe departed?
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Did the club not announce it would be a 4 week appointment, 17 days ago after Pepe departed?
I think they did.
I can see where all the anxious bods are coming from.
We take at least 4 weeks, Spurs take aa few days and job done.
Be interesting to see how long Southampton take to appoint their man, we then have some sort of bench mark.
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I think that it will be Martin Jol. Good odds on Sky at 40/1
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I've never known a club be as slow as the Albion for getting things done. Appointing coaches/managers, signing players; the new kit doesn't usually get released until August!! The club's decision making has been farcical for years, it wouldn't surprise me if Southampton have a new coach/manager before we do!!
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I think that it will be Martin Jol. Good odds on Sky at 40/1
Lepkowski said Jol unlikely but unable to say why for legal reasons.
Also said not all candidates spoken to - could be some truth in that Moyes rumour as he's not been ruled out anywhere like most others.
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I've never known a club be as slow as the Albion for getting things done. Appointing coaches/managers, signing players; the new kit doesn't usually get released until August!! The club's decision making has been farcical for years, it wouldn't surprise me if Southampton have a new coach/manager before we do!!
I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying but JP did say it would be a 4 week appointment. Also with Terry Burton not officially starting his role as Technical Director until 1st June and JP's quote after the departure of Pepe "incoming technical director Terry Burton will play a key role in identifying Pepe Mel's managerial successor".
I'm pretty sure things will unfold early next week.....
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Did the club not announce it would be a 4 week appointment, 17 days ago after Pepe departed?
4 weeks is too long. We supposedly have an all-encompassing database, so we should have known who would be on our shortlist at the time Pepe was sacked. Who actually applies should be almost irrelevant. Sounding out the shortlist would only take a few days and then we should have been interviewing. Tottenham sorted out their new manager in 2 weeks, over the same period, so why couldn't we? Their's was a vital appointment as well.
Having made the decision to get rid of Pepe Mel when they did, the Board then has to pull out all the stops to bring in his replacement, and not move at the same speed as a glacier because they timed the search to coincide with people going on holiday. The holidays should have been moved in the circumstances.
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Lepkowski said Jol unlikely but unable to say why for legal reasons.
Also said not all candidates spoken to - could be some truth in that Moyes rumour as he's not been ruled out anywhere like most others.
I'd just be TOO excited about Moyes- yes please - but not getting my hopes up. Wouldn't eradicate how I feel about the board's treatment of Pepe Mel but in terms of quality, bring it on. I think he would be our best fit.
I've heard a lot about Jol being out of the loop but I'd be happy with him to some extent too.
No one else excites me TBH...
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I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying but JP did say it would be a 4 week appointment. Also with Terry Burton not officially starting his role as Technical Director until 1st June and JP's quote after the departure of Pepe "incoming technical director Terry Burton will play a key role in identifying Pepe Mel's managerial successor".
I'm pretty sure things will unfold early next week.....
Chris Lepkowski @chrislepkowski · 10h
"No rush for Albion. Nothing out of the ordinary but it'll be week or so yet. #wba still at the 'is your mate single' stage in some respects"
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"Ideally Albion want to be in a position to whittle down their shortlist to three by the end of next week"
Link: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-derek-mcinnes-not-7185199)
We're in a very unusual position of needing to sign a glut of players this close season. The new head coach needs to be able to have a chance to have a proper input into that, so he needs to be in the door as soon as possible.
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4 weeks is too long. We supposedly have an all-encompassing database, so we should have known who would be on our shortlist at the time Pepe was sacked. Who actually applies should be almost irrelevant. Sounding out the shortlist would only take a few days and then we should have been interviewing. Tottenham sorted out their new manager in 2 weeks, over the same period, so why couldn't we? Their's was a vital appointment as well.
Having made the decision to get rid of Pepe Mel when they did, the Board then has to pull out all the stops to bring in his replacement, and not move at the same speed as a glacier because they timed the search to coincide with people going on holiday. The holidays should have been moved in the circumstances.
But things have changed. Richard Garlick has been moved to another department and we have Terry Burton arriving shortly, so all the previous groundwork for the database of future appointments has probably been binned. Terry Burton is know involved, so I would rather wait a little longer and appoint the right Head Coach than repeat the fiasco when Garlick was involved last Christmas.
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Better to take our time and make the right appointment than rush to appease the impatient fans amongst us. Who is to say our number one target isn't sunning himself right now? I imagine most of football have planned their holidays between end of season and start of the world cup. Relax. 8)
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I would rather wait a little longer and appoint the right Head Coach than repeat the fiasco when Garlick was involved last Christmas.
That wasn't rushed - it took the best part of 4 weeks.
Taking 2 weeks isn't rushing in football terms, some clubs appoint new managers within days because they have already researched who they want and then go out and get him.
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Chris Lepkowski @chrislepkowski · 10h
"No rush for Albion. Nothing out of the ordinary but it'll be week or so yet. #wba still at the 'is your mate single' stage in some respects"
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"Ideally Albion want to be in a position to whittle down their shortlist to three by the end of next week"
Link: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-derek-mcinnes-not-7185199)
We're in a very unusual position of needing to sign a glut of players this close season. The new head coach needs to be able to have a chance to have a proper input into that, so he needs to be in the door as soon as possible.
I read them quotes myself from Lepkowski at the time but I never read too much into it as the club stated it would be a 4 week appointment.
Lepkowski is a very good reporter and I am a Birmingham Mail reader he speaks a lot of sense and his book 'In Pastures Green' is an excellent read, but also he does speculate rather a lot.
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We have virtually a team of players to sort out, its a big job for whoever.Lets hope its announced before the world cup starts in 2 weeks.The new man and his team can do some scouting.You would would like to think most of the new recruits will be in by the end of July and not the last day of August
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But things have changed. Richard Garlick has been moved to another department and we have Terry Burton arriving shortly, so all the previous groundwork for the database of future appointments has probably been binned. Terry Burton is know involved, so I would rather wait a little longer and appoint the right Head Coach than repeat the fiasco when Garlick was involved last Christmas.
As far as I can recall, we have taken several weeks in recent years to appoint most new head coaches so not sure if Garlick has any relevance.
I have said before. This long process of due diligence has generally not been productive so I don't see what its advantage is.
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Sorry really do not understand the need to rush this through at break neck speed. Club has said it will be roughly four weeks about two weeks ago so we will get to short list next week when Burton arrives the appointment will be made the following week. The players don't report back until July so signings won't arrive until then at the earliest and we will be still in the market for players right up until the deadline regardless of when the coach is appointed. We absolutely will not be scouting players at the World Cup either than will be on our radar already or they are not we will not be swayed by a few good performances in Brazill let others make that mistake.
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It looks like it will be someone who has not been thought of or has only briefly. Using that logic I think it may be Nigel Adkins. He would be okay as well in my opinion
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Indecision. Indecisive. Unprepared.
If it was well known Mel was going, why didn't we approach Moyes immediately?
We have said we want an experienced prem manager, so that narrows it down, so why haven't we approached those 4 or 5 people.
3 -4 weeks is a farce and if people are on their holidays, get them back.
This due diligence would get me the sack. I have to advertise, get refs, interview and appoint in 3 weeks and that is delayed because I have to advertise for 2 weeks. I get hundreds of applications to sift through.
Albion know the field, know the 10 serious contenders or so, just bloody well get on with it, so we can sign players.
Would you move on a free transfer to a new company without knowing your boss? Gomes is about to sign for Sunderland, another one we've lost due to dithering.
We have friendlies in about 5 -6 weeks .....
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Sorry really do not understand the need to rush this through at break neck speed. Club has said it will be roughly four weeks about two weeks ago so we will get to short list next week when Burton arrives the appointment will be made the following week. The players don't report back until July so signings won't arrive until then at the earliest and we will be still in the market for players right up until the deadline regardless of when the coach is appointed. We absolutely will not be scouting players at the World Cup either than will be on our radar already or they are not we will not be swayed by a few good performances in Brazill let others make that mistake.
Well said and very true, best post I've read for while!!
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As far as I can recall, we have taken several weeks in recent years to appoint most new head coaches so not sure if Garlick has any relevance.
I have said before. This long process of due diligence has generally not been productive so I don't see what its advantage is.
If you have the time to do it (which despite the meltdown over how long we are taking the players are still on holiday, including ones we may buy so nobody is going to be bonding as a squad or entering transfer talks anyway) why not take your time? What do we gain from rushing an appointment for the sake of it?
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As far as I can recall, we have taken several weeks in recent years to appoint most new head coaches so not sure if Garlick has any relevance.
I have said before. This long process of due diligence has generally not been productive so I don't see what its advantage is.
But this time the club have said 4 weeks, where normally we are kept guessing and this is the reason they have put a time on it because of the reshuffle of staff.
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But this time the club have said 4 weeks, where normally we are kept guessing and this is the reason they have put a time on it because of the reshuffle of staff.
Quite right, and I imagine that they also factored in the matter of holidays, both of people at the club and also the potential candidates too. It's all well and good saying cancel the holidays, call them back, but would you seriously expect a top notch candidate to cancel his pre-booked break with the wife and kids for an interview in West Bromwich?
Similarly, it's all well and good talking about how it goes where you work, but that doesn't translate to football. Folks on here are great at talking about having football people running things at the club and not a solicitor, but then posters try to compare operating methods at their workplace to a football club. That strikes me as slightly contrary.
It's tempting to point at Spurs with their move for MP, but we aren't them, we don't have their pulling power and in my recollection with the possible exception of Johnny Giles second time around we have never just jumped into appointing a manager without some sort of selection process. And by the way, history suggests that the JG appointment on that occasion wasn't altogether successful.
The club did state, at the time that Mel went, that it would be a four week process so why get agitated half way through that time frame? Like Standaman says, just because the Birmingham Mail doesn't provide hourly updates, that doesn't mean nothing is happening.
Having said all that though, I love this thread. It's really very entertaining. Keep it up lads.
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I don't understand why people think that taking so much time is such a good thing. I think its indicative of the problems we have as a club. There are more disadvantages to taking so long than there are advantages. On the point of people not disrupting their holidays. If like Peace I was paid over £1m per year I would expect to have to cancel family holidays for my job, at least take time for phone calls, emails or video conferences while away. I know of people who earn much less who have to. Please could someone tell me what the advantages are of taking so long, where other clubs in most cases don't.
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People need to chill out. We will have a manager in place this time next week. This is closed season for all clubs.
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People need to chill out. We will have a manager in place this time next week. This is closed season for all clubs.
I cant see this time next week the following week more realistic.
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At least we aren't Villa fans creaming themselves because someone's private jet landed at Birmingham Airport. An owner who's putting no money into the club this summer, no signs of an immediate takeover, a dour manager who IF they get taken over they'll be looking to replace and if they keep will take them down, squad needing drastic improvement.
We've got it alright.
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I cant see this time next week the following week more realistic.
We're down to 7 already, it won't take long now.
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The only problem is out of the magnificent 7 only Downing will want it.
Could this time wasting be something to do with trying to get over the Cardiff and Tottenham games still
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I don't understand why people think that taking so much time is such a good thing. I think its indicative of the problems we have as a club. There are more disadvantages to taking so long than there are advantages. On the point of people not disrupting their holidays. If like Peace I was paid over £1m per year I would expect to have to cancel family holidays for my job, at least take time for phone calls, emails or video conferences while away. I know of people who earn much less who have to. Please could someone tell me what the advantages are of taking so long, where other clubs in most cases don't.
And you know this isn't happening because?
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And you know this isn't happening because?
Because they have said it will take 4 weeks from the start. If they are doing all those things whilst on holiday it shouldn't in my opinion take 4 weeks. What are the benefits of taking so long? Other clubs have sacked their managers and have appointed quicker than us. If its because we cant get anyone of any worth to take the job and when we end up with Downing we have to appear like its been an exhaustive process with no stone unturned to bring due diligence?
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The only problem is out of the magnificent 7 only Downing will want it.
Could this time wasting be something to do with trying to get over the Cardiff and Tottenham games still
He is on record as saying he didn't want the job full time back in December, why do people think he wants it now?
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Lets just get McInnes in.Big Dave Richard Snekees and Bob taylor part of his team.All having the club at heart who would want the job and affordable.If we go down we go down but we do act and portray a championship club anyway
Whilst we have we have JP in charge we will never attract a top coach.We have peaked with our current owner.Not knocking what he has done though
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Because they have said it will take 4 weeks from the start. If they are doing all those things whilst on holiday it shouldn't in my opinion take 4 weeks. What are the benefits of taking so long? Other clubs have sacked their managers and have appointed quicker than us. If its because we cant get anyone of any worth to take the job and when we end up with Downing we have to appear like its been an exhaustive process with no stone unturned to bring due diligence?
Sorry but my comment was based on you stating that if you were Peace and on holiday you'd be expecting to break that holiday to do necessary to get a coach in...I asked how you knew he wasn't doing that? But anyway football club owners/chairmen are entitled to holidays.
You say it shouldn't take 4 weeks. can I ask what experience you have in recruitment of football managers to know this?
4 weeks isn't that long really though is it? Other clubs appointing managers quicker than us is a moot point. Spurs for example made it clear that they would be interested in Pochettino if they sacked Sherwood weeks ago (while he was still manager of Southampton which must be getting close to tapping up?), so in effect the process started back then. Also Spurs is a more attractive job for a manager as is Man Utd (who also made it fairly clear who they wanted weeks before the manager joined), so the process is easier for those side
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Lets just get McInnes in.Big Dave Richard Snekees and Bob taylor part of his team.All having the club at heart who would want the job and affordable.If we go down we go down but we do act and portray a championship club anyway
Whilst we have we have JP in charge we will never attract a top coach
Yeah, let's go and appoint someone who got the sack at Bristol and appoint 3 blokes who have not got any experience staff wise.
Never attract a top coach ? What about Roy ?
Some people have a small memory.
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Sorry but my comment was based on you stating that if you were Peace and on holiday you'd be expecting to break that holiday to do necessary to get a coach in...I asked how you knew he wasn't doing that? But anyway football club owners/chairmen are titled to holidays.
4 weeks isn't that long really though is it? Other clubs appointing managers quicker than us is a moot point. Spurs for example made it clear that they would be interested in Pochettino if they sacked Sherwood weeks ago (while he was still manager of Southampton which must be getting close to tapping up?), so in effect the process started back then. Also Spurs is a more attractive job for a manager as is Man Utd (who also made it fairly clear who they wanted weeks before the manager joined), so the process is easier for those side
Peace knew that he was going to let Mel go. I'm sorry no one has convinced me that our process of obtaining a manager is the most positive it could be. With the time factor being for me one indicator that our methods are flawed.
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Yeah, let's go and appoint someone who got the sack at Bristol and appoint 3 blokes who have not got any experience staff wise.
Never attract a top coach ? What about Roy ? Some people have a small memory.
An unusual one off. both Dave and Richard have their qualifications and coached at other clubs, not sure about Bob
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Peace knew that he was going to let Mel go. I'm sorry no one has convinced me that our process of obtaining a manager is the most positive it could be. With the time factor being for me one indicator that our methods are flawed.
So you'd have been happy if we'd just quickly installed any new manager rather than taking the time to look around and see who is available with the right level of experience?
I'm sure we could have got someone from Leagues 1 or 2 really quickly but would they have been good enough?
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Other clubs appointing managers quicker than us is a moot point. Spurs for example made it clear that they would be interested in Pochettino if they sacked Sherwood weeks ago (while he was still manager of Southampton which must be getting close to tapping up?), so in effect the process started back then.
So what's the reason why we couldn't have done the same thing? The Board would have been minded to sack Pepe Mel weeks before they actually did.
Also Spurs is a more attractive job for a manager as is Man Utd (who also made it fairly clear who they wanted weeks before the manager joined), so the process is easier for those sides
That's actually an argument for it taking longer, because more people would be interested in the job. All you're saying is that those clubs already knew who they wanted when the previous manager left. With our marvellous database, why shouldn't we have been in a position to set up a shortlist before Pepe Mel was sacked?
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People need to chill out. We will have a manager in place this time next week. This is closed season for all clubs.
Not for Tottenham apparently! It'll be interesting to see how quuckly Southampton appoint someone as well.
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Peace knew that he was going to let Mel go. I'm sorry no one has convinced me that our process of obtaining a manager is the most positive it could be. With the time factor being for me one indicator that our methods are flawed.
Why? Time taken is no indication of lack of quality. We've obviously targeted a lot of people and as CL said today we've not spoken to everyone yet. Talks don't happen in the space of an hour then you write someone off. Different negotiations need to be first organised (I'd imagine a few candidates have said they'll see us after their holidays) then the interview could be a week later so depending on when they were approached and where they were when we asked it's conceivable that two weeks would be needed to get the ball rolling.
It's absolutely ridiculous to think that two weeks into a managerial hunt POST SEASON is some sign of us dithering. Hypothetically with Mel being sacked a few days after the season ended, people go on holiday, both internally and externally - it's the end of a bad season and they want to get away. Say candidate A is on holiday when we phone his people and he says I'll come and have talks when I'm back in a week and half. Bam, two weeks have passed. Candidate B, C, D, etc aren't going to be sitting there on the same day in a waiting room for the job. To sell the job to candidates will require a lot of show and tell including training facilities, ground, etc. You can't do that in less than a day.
Nobody knows what's going on at the club and the pessimists are panicking. They're not buying a loaf of bread and some eggs. They've been scrutinised all season for decisions so to me a rushed decision is more likely to be damaging than taking time getting it right. Let's face it d we are going to get a good quality coach that we all want, he ain't going to walk in the door, have tea and biscuits and sign a deal on the spot.
And moaning how we've not done a Tottenham is mad too - bigger club with more money poaches a promising coach from a smaller team, paying vast amounts of money to do so. That's like moaning that Chelsea beat us to signing a player by offering more money and being more attractive - how could they do that!
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So what's the reason why we couldn't have done the same thing? The Board would have been minded to sack Pepe Mel weeks before they actually did.
That's actually an argument for it taking longer, because more people would be interested in the job. All you're saying is that those clubs already knew who they wanted when the previous manager left. With our marvellous database, why shouldn't we have been in a position to set up a shortlist before Pepe Mel was sacked?
No it isn't when you've already let it slip out who you want. Spurs and Man Utd could pick from a pretty healthy option list, we don't have that luxury. Most managers would want to manage a side who regularly finish in the top 6 of the EPL , regularly play in Europe and have £millions to spend.
Now managers of the right quality, wanting to manage a side that consider avoiding relegation as the primary objective, with a medium sized fan base and with a history of not spending much money on players are few and far between.
I think one of the reasons we are taking our time is that we can. We don't have to rush the situation. 4 weeks is what we've been told and I'm sure we will all know something by the 2nd week of June.
Personally I'd rather we took our time and made a decent appointment.
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Now managers of the right quality, wanting to manage a side that consider avoiding relegation as the primary objective, with a medium sized fan base and with a history of not spending much money on players are few and far between.
It shouldn't be difficult to come up with a shortlist then! We should already have known who's out of our reach and who isn't.
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It shouldn't be difficult to come up with a shortlist then! We should already have known who's out of our reach and who isn't.
I'm sure there will have been a list of candidates but also a check to see who might become available during the early part of the pre season. It's then a process of going through those candidates until you get to the stage where you interview 3 or 4 which from what has been reported is pretty much where we are.
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What amazes me is that all these news papers and correspondants can tell us who we're not going to get. How about one of then pull a rabbit out of the hat and tell us who we will get
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What amazes me is that all these news papers and correspondants can tell us who we're not going to get. How about one of then pull a rabbit out of the hat and tell us who we will get
Because they have got a clue and just want to sell papers.
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Indecision. Indecisive. Unprepared.
If it was well known Mel was going, why didn't we approach Moyes immediately?
We have said we want an experienced prem manager, so that narrows it down, so why haven't we approached those 4 or 5 people.
3 -4 weeks is a farce and if people are on their holidays, get them back.
This due diligence would get me the sack. I have to advertise, get refs, interview and appoint in 3 weeks and that is delayed because I have to advertise for 2 weeks. I get hundreds of applications to sift through.
Albion know the field, know the 10 serious contenders or so, just bloody well get on with it, so we can sign players.
Would you move on a free transfer to a new company without knowing your boss? Gomes is about to sign for Sunderland, another one we've lost due to dithering.
We have friendlies in about 5 -6 weeks .....
What if the serious contenders are on holiday?
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What amazes me is that all these news papers and correspondants can tell us who we're not going to get. How about one of then pull a rabbit out of the hat and tell us who we will get
They know about as much as you and I do.
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Indecision. Indecisive. Unprepared.
If it was well known Mel was going, why didn't we approach Moyes immediately?
We have said we want an experienced prem manager, so that narrows it down, so why haven't we approached those 4 or 5 people.
3 -4 weeks is a farce and if people are on their holidays, get them back.
This due diligence would get me the sack. I have to advertise, get refs, interview and appoint in 3 weeks and that is delayed because I have to advertise for 2 weeks. I get hundreds of applications to sift through.
Albion know the field, know the 10 serious contenders or so, just bloody well get on with it, so we can sign players.
Would you move on a free transfer to a new company without knowing your boss? Gomes is about to sign for Sunderland, another one we've lost due to dithering.
We have friendlies in about 5 -6 weeks .....
Is he? As far as has been reported he will be holding talks with a number of clubs over a possible transfer; Sunderland, Swansea, West Ham, Arsenal etc. I imagine his wage demands(which was why he didn't go to Newcastle) would be more of a stumbling block for us rather than any "dithering" as you put it.
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People on twitter saying Dick Advacaat has thrown his hat in.
Would be ok with me.
What I cant get my head round is how the local journo's can find out who is not being considered.
But cant find out who is. Thats their job they must have contacts and numbers of agents , shouldn't be that difficult.
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People on twitter saying Dick Advacaat has thrown his hat in.
Would be ok with me.
What I cant get my head round is how the local journo's can find out who is not being considered.
But cant find out who is. Thats their job they must have contacts and numbers of agents , shouldn't be that difficult.
Thats been reported in The Sun this morning. That source alone is enough for me to take it with a very small pinch of salt.
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People on twitter saying Dick Advacaat has thrown his hat in.
Would be ok with me.
What I cant get my head round is how the local journo's can find out who is not being considered.
But cant find out who is. Thats their job they must have contacts and numbers of agents , shouldn't be that difficult.
Candidates will have been asked not to say anything and from the wording of their arguments local journos have been looking to Club sources for info as to who we haven't spoken to. The Big 7 probably won't be revealed either. And don't expect this final three to be publicised. It'll take a lot of work to get those names.
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Thats been reported in The Sun this morning. That source alone is enough for me to take it with a very small pinch of salt.
Never tried that, Advacaat with a pinch of salt,
thought it was supposed to be tequila , silly me !
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Horror team
"Warnocks advacaat"
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Indecision. Indecisive. Unprepared.
If it was well known Mel was going, why didn't we approach Moyes immediately?
We have said we want an experienced prem manager, so that narrows it down, so why haven't we approached those 4 or 5 people.
3 -4 weeks is a farce and if people are on their holidays, get them back.
This due diligence would get me the sack. I have to advertise, get refs, interview and appoint in 3 weeks and that is delayed because I have to advertise for 2 weeks. I get hundreds of applications to sift through.
Albion know the field, know the 10 serious contenders or so, just bloody well get on with it, so we can sign players.
Would you move on a free transfer to a new company without knowing your boss? Gomes is about to sign for Sunderland, another one we've lost due to dithering.
We have friendlies in about 5 -6 weeks .....
For all we know Moyes could of been approached weeks ago and agreed to be our new head coach.
There maybe a press conference announced in the coming weeks to announce our new head coach, new sponsor and launch the kit all at the same time to maximise publicity.
I am more than likely wrong but my point is we don't know what is happening behind the scenes.
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Never tried that, Advacaat with a pinch of salt,
thought it was supposed to be tequila , silly me !
Very good mate :)
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When we appointed Terry Burton , the club stated that he would play a major part in appointing new head coach , and that he wouldn't start his role to 1st June so quite why people are so surprised-that an appointment hadn't been made is beyond me !
Just relax and wait for the announcement that will be made in the next 2 weeks ????
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People on twitter saying Dick Advacaat has thrown his hat in.
Would be ok with me.
What I cant get my head round is how the local journo's can find out who is not being considered.
But cant find out who is. Thats their job they must have contacts and numbers of agents , shouldn't be that difficult.
Always thought that sounded like a nasty discharge you might get from an exotic disease!
Not a bad coach though. Rangers and Zenit played some nice stuff when he was there.
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How old is Dick? Steve McLarens dutch is much better
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How old is Dick? Steve McLarens dutch is much better
think he's 62 mate
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think he's 62 mate
a good old wise head.Is he available.Who was his last club?
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People on twitter saying Dick Advacaat has thrown his hat in.
Would be ok with me.
I'd be more than happy with that appointment. Highly unlikely I know but you have to admit more inspiring than some of the names bandied about.
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What's happened to Ranieri, has he been ruled out?
Had a fiver on him at 40-1, but heard nothing since ::)
Still think he would be a good choice; Steady and experienced, but unpredictable enough to keep it interesting.
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Dick Advacaat is 66 and currently managing AZ Alkmaar I think he is unlikely.
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EErrrrrrr people are on holiday....... not got a phone then and besides most managers have agents nowdays, it seems the people on holiday are all from the WBA boardroom
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Sorry really do not understand the need to rush this through at break neck speed. Club has said it will be roughly four weeks about two weeks ago so we will get to short list next week when Burton arrives the appointment will be made the following week. The players don't report back until July so signings won't arrive until then at the earliest and we will be still in the market for players right up until the deadline regardless of when the coach is appointed. We absolutely will not be scouting players at the World Cup either than will be on our radar already or they are not we will not be swayed by a few good performances in Brazill let others make that mistake.
Zuberbuhler!!!
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Zuberbuhler!!!
Always played well against the Dingles
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Always played well against the Dingles
Played in the 3 - 0 win when Hartson scored on his debut and in the massacre at the Custard Bowl in the FA Cup. :D :D :D
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Always played well against the Dingles
I always used that as proof of just how dreadful Wolves were that season, couldn't score against the most mental goalkeeper ever.
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I didn't know dick advocaat had a hat !
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Played in the 3 - 0 win when Hartson scored on his debut and in the massacre at the Custard Bowl in the FA Cup. :D :D :D
The Pie & Pint game.Fantastic when you all left your Tesco carrier bags on the seats
Anyway back to topic ah
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Dingle Dave (Jones) with Dingle Keith as his assistant............Dream Team :P :D
On a serious note, all of the people that we thought were likely to get it are being ruled out!!!
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isn't snowball out of contract at AZ now was only on short term deal
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isn't snowball out of contract at AZ now was only on short term deal
Advocart, i get it :)
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Advocaat has not renewed his contract at AZ and says he wants to go and work outside the nederlands this summer. So he might of applied.
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Advocart, i get it :)
sorry couldn't resist ;D
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Not for Tottenham apparently! It'll be interesting to see how quuckly Southampton appoint someone as well.
It will be interesting to see how much Tottenham let their new manager spend and how quickly into their season it is before they sack him? Maybe they should take more time over their appointments :-X
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Why? Time taken is no indication of lack of quality. We've obviously targeted a lot of people and as CL said today we've not spoken to everyone yet. Talks don't happen in the space of an hour then you write someone off. Different negotiations need to be first organised (I'd imagine a few candidates have said they'll see us after their holidays) then the interview could be a week later so depending on when they were approached and where they were when we asked it's conceivable that two weeks would be needed to get the ball rolling.
It's absolutely ridiculous to think that two weeks into a managerial hunt POST SEASON is some sign of us dithering. Hypothetically with Mel being sacked a few days after the season ended, people go on holiday, both internally and externally - it's the end of a bad season and they want to get away. Say candidate A is on holiday when we phone his people and he says I'll come and have talks when I'm back in a week and half. Bam, two weeks have passed. Candidate B, C, D, etc aren't going to be sitting there on the same day in a waiting room for the job. To sell the job to candidates will require a lot of show and tell including training facilities, ground, etc. You can't do that in less than a day.
Nobody knows what's going on at the club and the pessimists are panicking. They're not buying a loaf of bread and some eggs. They've been scrutinised all season for decisions so to me a rushed decision is more likely to be damaging than taking time getting it right. Let's face it d we are going to get a good quality coach that we all want, he ain't going to walk in the door, have tea and biscuits and sign a deal on the spot.
And moaning how we've not done a Tottenham is mad too - bigger club with more money poaches a promising coach from a smaller team, paying vast amounts of money to do so. That's like moaning that Chelsea beat us to signing a player by offering more money and being more attractive - how could they do that!
All this time with due diligence and quality control over 4 weeks last time got us Pepe Mel!!! By your logic if we spent two months this time we would end up with Solbakken. In addition what has changed with the managers they interviewed and considered and rejected last time that should have cut down some of the time for consideration.
And if time is not an issue with the way the club works do you hope we sign two players at the 11th hour on transfer deadline day again for over £10m? I think it is symptomatic of poor leadership and indecisiveness. It maybe that the size of our club and the restraints of chairman that we keep getting turned down by our first, second and third choice etc and that is what takes so long but its not through proficient and skilled management.
More reasons why we are taking too long http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/albions-managerial-problems-affecting-players-7186285 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/albions-managerial-problems-affecting-players-7186285)
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More reasons why we are taking too long http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/albions-managerial-problems-affecting-players-7186285
That whole article is pure speculation
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That whole article is pure speculation
The normally low levels of local media have sunk even lower today, what with the Billy Jones misleading headline also.... Very shoddy work by the local Journos
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Speculation or poor journalism people are in a world of their own if they think not having a manager won't effect who or when we sign players - yes some will sign but anyone worth there salt will refrain from signing until they know who's in charge, how they'll play etc.
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The normally low levels of local media have sunk even lower today, what with the Billy Jones misleading headline also.... Very shoddy work by the local Journos
I don't think journalists that write the articles write the headlines - that's the sub-editors. That's why headlines are always sensationalistic or don't always match the stories.
I know the Mails job isn't to help WBA but it shouldn't be harming us either. Lots of poor articles of late.
I don't really get the panic that we don't have a manager yet. Spurs got one faster than us. So what?! Spurs quite frankly will probably have people bending backwards to get their job. Man U took a while to name a manager and have done fine. It's not like nothings happening at the club. If by the same time next week, things are exactly the same then yes, it's going to be pretty frustrating.
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Whether or not he gets it is a different matter - but Dave Jones is WELL in the mix! Sigh!
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Whether or not he gets it is a different matter - but Dave Jones is WELL in the mix! Sigh!
says who?
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Has anybody noticed Dick Advocaat is suddenly 10/1.
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Has anybody noticed Dick Advocaat is suddenly 10/1.
Yeah just saw that but you never know, may mean nothing
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Yeah just saw that but you never know, may mean nothing
Got 28s earlier
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Has anybody noticed Dick Advocaat is suddenly 10/1.
Nearly all Dutch managers tend to be strong on tactics and look to play 'technical' football i.e. attacking and passing football. However, I would much prefer Frank de Boer who has now won 4 championships at Ajax. Ronald Koeman, finished second at Feyenoord, and as former top international players, both would command more respect from the players. Although Advocaat has been on the circuit for ever, he's mainly managed mid table clubs. He's a bit of a street fighter, and can rub people up the wrong way.
One excellent Dutch manger would be Bert van Marwijk, the national manger who got Holland to the last World Cup Final, but he had a bad time at Hamburg. Marco van Basten will be at AZ Alkmaar next season, but I don't think he has proven himself. And Martin Jol is still free!
One problem you won't have with a Dutch manager is communication, as they all speak English.
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The Mail is reporting that we did consider making an official approach for Steve McClaren but we were told we would be wasting our time. Another to strike off the list then! It is slowly being whittled down to Downing, unfortunately. Clement is still favourite with the bookies despite his chances being written off.
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Is he? As far as has been reported he will be holding talks with a number of clubs over a possible transfer; Sunderland, Swansea, West Ham, Arsenal etc. I imagine his wage demands(which was why he didn't go to Newcastle) would be more of a stumbling block for us rather than any "dithering" as you put it.
yes he is and yes he has.
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Although Advocaat has been on the circuit for ever, he's mainly managed mid table clubs. He's a bit of a street fighter, and can rub people up the wrong way.
Our guys, quite disgracefully, wouldn't play the high energy style required by Pepe Mel which the Southampton guys took on board very profitably for Pochetti.
So if you want to sort out our troublesome dressing room then Advocaat is your man. as a player over 500 games as a midfield enforcer in the Dutch League and has successfully managed many clubs across Europe including the then mighty Rangers and winning the UEFA Cup with Zenit and if you can hack it as a football manager in Russia, and outside Moscow too, then you can handle anything.
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Has anybody noticed Dick Advocaat is suddenly 10/1.
As the old saying goes, had more clubs than Jack Nicklaus
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As the old saying goes, had more clubs than Jack Nicklaus
With the way we get through managers it would be a match made in heaven.
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Dick Advocaat sounds like the guy we should have got in January sort things out a bit iron out some of the ego's in the dressing room and move on in a season or two. I would hope for an appointment with a bit more mileage in it now.
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Dick Advocaat sounds like the guy we should have got in January sort things out a bit iron out some of the ego's in the dressing room and move on in a season or two. I would hope for an appointment with a bit more mileage in it now.
In reality though, given that if we gat halfway decent younger coach he will probably be poached and move on in about two years max, we might be better off appointing a decent older bloke who may hang around a bit longer as he approaches the end of his career ( I know that didn't work with Roy, but they can't all be a England a Manager!).
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yes he is and yes he has.
if you mean he has signed for Sunderland can you provide a link as I can find nothing on internet about it. All I can find is what I posted earlier that he is in talks with a number of clubs.
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if you mean he has signed for Sunderland can you provide a link as I can find nothing on internet about it. All I can find is what I posted earlier that he is in talks with a number of clubs.
He hasn't. Jordi Gomez has signed for Sunderland.
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Moysey down to 10/1. Better get me skates on the the bookies.
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He hasn't. Jordi Gomez has signed for Sunderland.
Ah thanks for clearing that up....confusion over Gomis/Gomez!
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Moysey down to 10/1. Better get me skates on the the bookies.
I have a feeling that Moyes may have been told the job is his if he wants it and the delay is linked to his decision.
Hope so anyway, otherwise it all seems a bit unprofessional. If there really are that many names in the hat then holidays by WBA personnel should not delay the process.
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I have a feeling that Moyes may have been told the job is his if he wants it and the delay is linked to his decision.
Hope so anyway, otherwise it all seems a bit unprofessional. If there really are that many names in the hat then holidays by WBA personnel should not delay the process.
I've said it before but I think he will come. The interesting thing for me us that he hasn't been put forward for the other available jobs is that because:
1) he is just not rated as good enough
2) his representatives have made it clear he is unavailable taking time out or
3) he is more or less signed up and just waiting to meet Burton for face to face meeting, way forward etc.
Or am I totally blooming wrong and Downing is on his hols before he gets the job.
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I've said it before but I think he will come. The interesting thing for me us that he hasn't been put forward for the other available jobs is that because:
1) he is just not rated as good enough
2) his representatives have made it clear he is unavailable taking time out or
3) he is more or less signed up and just waiting to meet Burton for face to face meeting, way forward etc.
Or am I totally blooming wrong and Downing is on his hols before he gets the job.
or he's got the celtic gig and they are waiting to announce him and thier new kit / sponsor etc as a package.
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I really don't see Moyes going to Celtic. It won't help him rebuild his career. If he succeeds then it is only to he expected (even Lennon succeeded), and if he fails then its a massive nail in his career coffin. It certainly hasn't helped Lennon to use it as a stepping stone to a bigger job elsewhere.
If he comes to us then "success" will be getting us to 40 points, and if he fails and we get relegated then he can blame it on the Albion structure!
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or he's got the celtic gig and they are waiting to announce him and thier new kit / sponsor etc as a package.
Same could be said about us....
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Same could be said about us....
It could, I was just trying to point out that their are other options which could point elsewhere.
so why do you say I've said it before but I think he will come
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Or am I totally blooming wrong and Downing is on his hols before he gets the job.
"Keith Downing, currently No2, has expressed an interest in the job and is expected to be among those spoken to next week when Albion begin the interviewing process. The club have yet to decide on others who might, at this stage, be in the frame."
Source: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-albion-braced-derby-7191242)
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"Keith Downing, currently No2, has expressed an interest in the job and is expected to be among those spoken to next week when Albion begin the interviewing process. The club have yet to decide on others who might, at this stage, be in the frame."
Source: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-albion-braced-derby-7191242)
If he is appointed, it just confirms that there is no god.
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If he is appointed, it just confirms that there is no god.
or there is somebody with the initials JP playing at being God. If he appoints Downing it makes last seasons goings on a total farce, he may as well have appointed him last December!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Please god no not Downing, this is all very draining.
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It cant be Downing...no please not him!!
It will be a farce if he gets it...
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People are more likely to renew their season ticket before the deadline if they don't know that its downing than if he had been appointed. Now it makes sense why they are taking their time!
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Appointing Downing will be our Terry Connor moment - it would be disastrous.
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That's why its wrong to take so long to appoint the manager and no its not the local press.
"West Brom were believed to be leading the race to sign Wague, but with the club still waiting to appoint a new manager to replace the axed Pepe Mel at the Hawthorns, Norwich have stolen a march on them by making a firm offer."
Read more at: http://www.clubcall.com/west-bromwich-albion/albion-slip-behind-canaries-in-wague-race-1727252.html
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People are more likely to renew their season ticket before the deadline if they don't know that its downing than if he had been appointed. Now it makes sense why they are taking their time!
They taking their time because waiting for Terry Burton to officially start his job June 1st.
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Reasons why I'm hopeful over Moyes:
-Roy Keane is in the frame for Celtic according to reports, so I don't think that's a starter for Moyes anymore (if it ever was)
-I've said before that Moyes seems to have a pretty nice looking home in Lancs. I'd've thought that might- MIGHT- be a potential barrier to a move to Soton/ Spurs, and that Albion might be better located for this reason.
-Spurs aside I don't think there's a better English job available than the Albion. That includes Soton who seem set to have the best parts of their 1st 11 cherry picked by richer clubs.
- I've got no problem with Downing being interviewed. For a lot of jobs in all kinds of fields there are internal as well as external candidates. All part of the due diligence. To interview him is logical (although to give him the gig would be highly illogical...)
- Moyes isn't automatically top of the list for other jobs because of the Man U problems and his name isn't being chucked around much for that reason too.
- Both he and his agent have been relatively quiet regarding new jobs since his sacking so there's been little in terms of fuel for the press stories.
So IF he wants the job and the Club can accommodate his staff in the existing framework, it's a goer.
The only remaining spanner in the works that occurs to me- and you can call me daft if you like, but it's a potential issue- is if he's already signed up to go to Brazil as a TV pundit. Then again, if he's not putting in a shift behind his desk at the Hawthorns, at least he can say he's been helping to scout players.
So having said all that, if the Albion have not at least been on the blower to Moyes or his rep, then I am a Dutchman...and we'll probably end up with one running the team ;)
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I really don't see Moyes going to Celtic. It won't help him rebuild his career. If he succeeds then it is only to he expected (even Lennon succeeded), and if he fails then its a massive nail in his career coffin. It certainly hasn't helped Lennon to use it as a stepping stone to a bigger job elsewhere.
If he comes to us then "success" will be getting us to 40 points, and if he fails and we get relegated then he can blame it on the Albion structure!
I partly agree that Moyes won't benefit from going to Celtic, but not because success is easy. Far from it. Of the 13 managers in the 30 years since Billy McNeil left the first time, only 3 can be said to have had any degree of success. O'Neill (when Celtic had more money, but then so did Rangers), Strachan (but ultimately his trophies dried up) and Lennon (but didn't have Rangers to compete against in the last two seasons). Arguably O'Neil and Lennon come out with more credibility because Celtic were a shambles when each took over. But there in lies the problem for Moyes, Lennon is widely credited for leaving Celtic in good shape, all be it far from equipped to compete in Europe (though through no fault of his). Moyes would take over a team who are expected to achieve, his arrival would raise expectations as well and Celtic don't look likely to invest while they have no serious domestic competitor. Moyes could only prove himself by some measure of European success, unlikely with their current squad. Lennon was poor in Europe but has left the yardstick of a victory over Barcelona in the Celtic fan's memories. Seems to me like a poison chalice to someone who thinks he is destined to manage at a higher level.
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Reasons why I'm hopeful over Moyes:
-Roy Keane is in the frame for Celtic according to reports, so I don't think that's a starter for Moyes anymore (if it ever was)
-I've said before that Moyes seems to have a pretty nice looking home in Lancs. I'd've thought that might- MIGHT- be a potential barrier to a move to Soton/ Spurs, and that Albion might be better located for this reason.
-Spurs aside I don't think there's a better English job available than the Albion. That includes Soton who seem set to have the best parts of their 1st 11 cherry picked by richer clubs.
- I've got no problem with Downing being interviewed. For a lot of jobs in all kinds of fields there are internal as well as external candidates. All part of the due diligence. To interview him is logical (although to give him the gig would be highly illogical...)
- Moyes isn't automatically top of the list for other jobs because of the Man U problems and his name isn't being chucked around much for that reason too.
- Both he and his agent have been relatively quiet regarding new jobs since his sacking so there's been little in terms of fuel for the press stories.
So IF he wants the job and the Club can accommodate his staff in the existing framework, it's a goer.
The only remaining spanner in the works that occurs to me- and you can call me daft if you like, but it's a potential issue- is if he's already signed up to go to Brazil as a TV pundit. Then again, if he's not putting in a shift behind his desk at the Hawthorns, at least he can say he's been helping to scout players.
So having said all that, if the Albion have not at least been on the blower to Moyes or his rep, then I am a Dutchman...and we'll probably end up with one running the team ;)
I cant disagree with most of what you said apart from Downing. What don't they already know about him? Norwich and Swansea appointed from within without endless shortlists and interviews. Its not as if we are a public sector company Mr Peace doesn't have to follow any guidelines apart from general employment guidelines. He can interview 1 candidate or 50. I just think other clubs are more decisive and are better off for it.
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I don't see how JP could appoint Downing without losing face and credibility. I can't remember the exact words but did he not saying that he was looking to appoint someone better or higher profile than Clarke. If Downing fitted either of those categories he would have been appointed instead of Clarke.
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People are more likely to renew their season ticket before the deadline if they don't know that its downing than if he had been appointed. Now it makes sense why they are taking their time!
As far as i'm concerned this was always going to happen.
Forgot the talk about shortlists or club statements saying that things are going to be different it's all just talk.
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As far as i'm concerned this was always going to happen.
Forgot the talk about shortlists or club statements saying that things are going to be different it's all just talk.
It''s a bit early to make that judgement. When has Peace ever stated that things need to change and been so positive in his statements. Normally we get the typical "corporate" response, but no there is an extra 20 million+ to play for by staying up, it sounds as though he realises that we need to invest and go the same route manager-wise as our most successful time under Roy.
It's very early days to be judging the clubs vision for the next season.
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I cant disagree with most of what you said apart from Downing. What don't they already know about him? Norwich and Swansea appointed from within without endless shortlists and interviews. Its not as if we are a public sector company Mr Peace doesn't have to follow any guidelines apart from general employment guidelines. He can interview 1 candidate or 50. I just think other clubs are more decisive and are better off for it.
Point taken. In which case i can only assume that they see things in him, and saw enough when he was in charge, to want to have him as a sort of yardstick to judge other candidates by. Yeah I know it's hardly a persuasive point of mine, but like you I'm wracking my brains trying to rationalise why he might be on the shortlist.
Still no cause for real concern yet though. Even if there is some 'Downing or bust' agenda at the club (or should that be 'Downing and bust'?) I still believe in the power of social media to persuade/ force the Board into doing the right thing. I.E. if we basically say we don't want him, we don't have to have him.
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I've berated Peace mainly because I was upset about the treatment of PM and also the seeming near-deification of KD and DK, who haven't been rubbish by any means but who muddied the water in my opinion when it came to harmony in the camp (who knows for certain how much their involvement was).
But JP is bloody smart. He KNOWS our best in recent times was under Roy's direction (and most of us believe the main thing that kept that momentum going the following year was Lukaku) and he will be looking for something of the same. A great coach/ manager however you want to put the job description will galvanise any squad and get the best out of whatever he has to play with - even to the point of dealing with the egos and getting them in line. Maybe PM should have kept a few hairdryers handy....
Anyway, no doubt about it, Moyes would be ideal for us. The scenario is the same as it was with Roy, and if you look at the type of club he was with prior to Man Utd, regardless of league position, I think we are not dissimilar to Everton or Preston; good feeling of tradition, history, loyalty, passion (maybe it's because we are three of the original 12 in the football league!!)
Would Moyes want us? You can see what would be attractive..... all of the above plus the chance to cock a snoot at those who were too impatient. I'd be astounded if JP wasn't pushing this possibility as far as he could - not purely in terms of what Moyes could do for us but also in terms of how much JP's own credibility would be restored.
I hope he comes, one can only hope. Plus he lives near me; I could get a lift down with him.
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I've berated Peace mainly because I was upset about the treatment of PM and also the seeming near-deification of KD and DK, who haven't been rubbish by any means but who muddied the water in my opinion when it came to harmony in the camp (who knows for certain how much their involvement was).
But JP is bloody smart. He KNOWS our best in recent times was under Roy's direction (and most of us believe the main thing that kept that momentum going the following year was Lukaku) and he will be looking for something of the same. A great coach/ manager however you want to put the job description will galvanise any squad and get the best out of whatever he has to play with - even to the point of dealing with the egos and getting them in line. Maybe PM should have kept a few hairdryers handy....
Anyway, no doubt about it, Moyes would be ideal for us. The scenario is the same as it was with Roy, and if you look at the type of club he was with prior to Man Utd, regardless of league position, I think we are not dissimilar to Everton or Preston; good feeling of tradition, history, loyalty, passion (maybe it's because we are three of the original 12 in the football league!!)
Would Moyes want us? You can see what would be attractive..... all of the above plus the chance to cock a snoot at those who were too impatient. I'd be astounded if JP wasn't pushing this possibility as far as he could - not purely in terms of what Moyes could do for us but also in terms of how much JP's own credibility would be restored.
I hope he comes, one can only hope. Plus he lives near me; I could get a lift down with him.
Pick him up now and drive him down!
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This the list of serving managers including interim and permanent appointments during Jeremy Peaces reign as Chairman
Gary Megson (Was already in post before Peace)
Bryan Robson
Nigel Pearson
Craig Shakespeare
Tony Mowbray
Roberto Di Matteo
Michael Appleton
Roy Hodgson
Steve Clarke
Keith Downing
Pepe Mel
Makes you think ! Still hoping for some big name?
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This the list of serving managers including interim and permanent appointments during Jeremy Peaces reign as Chairman
Gary Megson (Was already in post before Peace)
Bryan Robson
Nigel Pearson
Craig Shakespeare
Tony Mowbray
Roberto Di Matteo
Michael Appleton
Roy Hodgson
Steve Clarke
Keith Downing
Pepe Mel
Makes you think ! Still hoping for some big name?
Each of those are big names to me. Granted only one of them actually did it for us but you can't deny they are big names!
Yes, I'm still hoping for a big name.
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Was di Matteo really a big name? I know he played for Chelsea but he was only really managing MK Dons, also I had never heard of Pepe Mel
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Was di Matteo really a big name? I know he played for Chelsea but he was only really managing MK Dons, also I had never heard of Pepe Mel
To be fair, Roy has become a bigger name since us, and di Matteo had greater success AFTER us too as we all well know; shouldn't have been sacked from Chelski.
Bryan's fame was more to do with his playing than his managing and PM's fame was only known in Spain....
I admit I was to some extent playing the devil's advocate with that.
Or is that Advocaat..............
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Reasons why I'm hopeful over Moyes:
-Roy Keane is in the frame for Celtic according to reports, so I don't think that's a starter for Moyes anymore (if it ever was)
-I've said before that Moyes seems to have a pretty nice looking home in Lancs. I'd've thought that might- MIGHT- be a potential barrier to a move to Soton/ Spurs, and that Albion might be better located for this reason.
-Spurs aside I don't think there's a better English job available than the Albion. That includes Soton who seem set to have the best parts of their 1st 11 cherry picked by richer clubs.
- I've got no problem with Downing being interviewed. For a lot of jobs in all kinds of fields there are internal as well as external candidates. All part of the due diligence. To interview him is logical (although to give him the gig would be highly illogical...)
- Moyes isn't automatically top of the list for other jobs because of the Man U problems and his name isn't being chucked around much for that reason too.
- Both he and his agent have been relatively quiet regarding new jobs since his sacking so there's been little in terms of fuel for the press stories.
So IF he wants the job and the Club can accommodate his staff in the existing framework, it's a goer.
The only remaining spanner in the works that occurs to me- and you can call me daft if you like, but it's a potential issue- is if he's already signed up to go to Brazil as a TV pundit. Then again, if he's not putting in a shift behind his desk at the Hawthorns, at least he can say he's been helping to scout players.
So having said all that, if the Albion have not at least been on the blower to Moyes or his rep, then I am a Dutchman...and we'll probably end up with one running the team ;)
If it's true that he is a pundit at the WC then he can't be a candidate surely. Our timeframe would rule him out.
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See Brian McDermott has left Leeds
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Oh dear! McDermott leaves Leeds by mutual consent Say no more
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Looks like he's lost his job because the owner wants a coach not a manager. So that looks like he's out the reckoning . Phew !
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I just dont see Moyes coming to us. Everton are a much bigger club, as are United, so after the humiliation of the united debacle I just dont see him compounding the humiliation by joining us. We are mid table at best with a tightly controlled budget so we are perfect for either up and coming managers or run of the mill managers, not guys like Moyes. I reckon he will go abroad.
My hope is that we get someone who brings some life and excitement to our play so that we can be proud of our club once again. My worry is that Mel was that guy, but who knows.
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The problem for Moyes is United was his one shot at the big time. He has not got a reputation outside of England and nobody is going to hand him the reigns of a club in the Champions League, aside from possibly Celtic. In the short term his best chance of a route back in was the Spurs job and as far as I can tell he was not considered for it. Moyes will have to take a mid table premier league club at some point and at the moment that is either us or Southampton. Neither are particularly attractive from his perspective.
My guess he will wait until a club closer to Everton's stature needs a manager I would suggest that list includes Newcastle, West Ham and Villa. I wonder what odds you could get on all three of those clubs having their current managers this time next year? If Moyes had been out of the game for a year and needed to make a comeback we might have a chance but at the moment I don't think he will consider us.
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Brian McDermott has shortened to 5/1 with Sky Bet following his departure from Leeds. However, you can get 18/1 with Betfair. Paul Clement remains a favourite with most bookies despite being discounted by CL and others. http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom/next-permanent-manager
I would strongly advise anyone not to have a bet because the club are keeping their cards closely to their chests. Mel's name didn't slip out until very close to his appointment.
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I think McDermott was one of the names ruled out during the week.
Suppose that could change now he is out of work.
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I'm surprised Carlos Queiroz has not been linked with the job by the media - should be available after the World Cup and a vastly experienced Coach.
At the moment though, like everyone else, I really don't have a clue who we'll end up with.
I would say that some of the negative comments about Keith Downing in this thread seem very harsh.
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Brian McDermott has shortened to 5/1 with Sky Bet following his departure from Leeds. However, you can get 18/1 with Betfair. Paul Clement remains a favourite with most bookies despite being discounted by CL and others. http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom/next-permanent-manager
I would strongly advise anyone not to have a bet because the club are keeping their cards closely to their chests. Mel's name didn't slip out until very close to his appointment.
Well technically two weeks before.
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Brian McDermott another faliure.no way no chance
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Brian McDermott another faliure.no way no chance
If we're only interested in someone who's not in a job, then it's highly likely that all of the candidates will have failed somewhere or other.
I read this with interest this morning:
"Former Feyenoord coach Ronald Koeman is interested in the vacant Southampton job according to his agent. Koeman left Feyenoord at the end of the season after guiding the Rotterdam club to 2nd in the Eredivisie and a place in the Champions League next season.
The former Ajax, PSV, and Valencia coach is now looking for a job abroad, and according to his agent Guido Albers, Koeman wants to manage Southampton. The Premier League club are looking for a new coach after Mauricio Pochettino joined Tottenham this week.
Albers told the Daily Echo, “From Ronald’s point of view, it would be amazing. I think it would be a very good success for the club, but also for the Premier League to get a coach like him. He is very technical, and very offensive. His team makes goals. They scored more than any other team in Holland this season. We haven’t been approached by anybody, but he would like to work in the Premier League.”
Source: Football Oranje (http://www.football-oranje.com/ronald-koeman-interested-in-southampton-job/)
It's a shame that we don't seem to have the wherewithal, structure or whatever to attract someone like Koeman. We haven't been linked with him at all.
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Wouldn't it just have been easier to give Pepe Mel his contract period.I just have the feeling its going to be another cautious coach
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Wouldn't it just have been easier to give Pepe Mel his contract period.I just have the feeling its going to be another cautious coach
Wouldn't it though!!!!
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By being so formal and unhurried, it seems JP is saying to whoever gets the job that the club and its structure is more important than you.
I hope he's not using business management scoring systems to assess candidates- they often end up with the least threatening option, which can also be the least creative/original/individual.
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Wouldn't it just have been easier to give Pepe Mel his contract period.I just have the feeling its going to be another cautious coach
The easy option isn't always the best option though is it?
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By being so formal and unhurried, it seems JP is saying to whoever gets the job that the club and its structure is more important than you.
I hope he's not using business management scoring systems to assess candidates- they often end up with the least threatening option, which can also be the least creative/original/individual.
Isn't that what peace wants? Non - threatening? ?
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The easy option isn't always the best option though is it?
In this particular case i would say yes but i would wouldn't i, i am normally correct in my judgment of head coaches
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This is a surreal thread - Moyes or McDermott?
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In fairness it sums up nearly every Managerial search we've had for the last few years, you just never know what the club are going to do next. Like Hodgson, Moyes could be pulled out of the hat and it's not impossible for that to happen, but then at the same time most of our fans could easily envisage a underwhelming signing and i don't think it would surprise us if it turns out to be. (Anger us on the other hand >:( )
Fingers crossed and hope that some good, strong links to a good strong candidate start to leak out of the club soon, or even better appoint him
Good summary.
There are some good managers available at present for Peace to go for. Let's hope he doesn't choose one of the cheap rubbish ones who tend to be always available!
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Good summary.
There are some good managers available at present for Peace to go for. Let's hope he doesn't choose one of the cheap rubbish ones who tend to be always available!
Which ones do you have in mind?
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Which ones do you have in mind?
Moyes, Raineri, Jol, Koeman, de Boer, Petrescu, and those are just the ones out of work without mentioning those who we could get if we were willing to pay compensation.
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Moyes, Raineri, Jol, Koeman, de Boer, Petrescu, and those are just the ones out of work without mentioning those who we could get if we were willing to pay compensation.
Some damn good names there. Makes it seem almost a sin to end up with a bad next head coach. I think Peace has got his head screwed on and knows he can't f*ck up this time
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I am hoping for Jol, well respected but not too ego-driven so he could rub along with Peace ok.
Also, he spoke fondly of his old club when manager of Spurs when we beat them. That might mean SFA from some, but I think he's as genuine as anyone in the game today.
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Moyes, Raineri, Jol, Koeman, de Boer, Petrescu, and those are just the ones out of work without mentioning those who we could get if we were willing to pay compensation.
I would say all of those, appart from Jol who I think is burnt out now, would see West Brom as a step down in their careers. For that reason I struggle to see them sign for us, never mind even being truly interested in the job.
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I am hoping for Jol, well respected but not too ego-driven so he could rub along with Peace ok.
Also, he spoke fondly of his old club when manager of Spurs when we beat them. That might mean SFA from some, but I think he's as genuine as anyone in the game today.
Please now with all the stress of this let it be Jol
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Trying to make this head coach relevant. Mmmmmm just watched the Laurie Cunninggham show again on you tube. I recommend it to all. Wearing his stripes (broad) what a player what a club. It reminded me how special we are. We are the Albion! So to make this relevant, whoever the next head coach is, he better realize what a great job it is. Who T F is David Moyes?
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Bit bored by it all now.
Honestly think it will be Downing. That way, if it isn't, at least I'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Trying to make this head coach relevant. Mmmmmm just watched the Laurie Cunninggham show again on you tube. I recommend it to all. Wearing his stripes (broad) what a player what a club. It reminded me how special we are. We are the Albion! So to make this relevant, whoever the next head coach is, he better realize what a great job it is. Who T F is David Moyes?
Top man it's true, whatever happens people come and go from this club including 'fans' there will always be the lads there following us everywhere and that's what the club is all about (not had a beer) boing boing!!!
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Top man it's true, whatever happens people come and go from this club including 'fans' there will always be the lads there following us everywhere and that's what the club is all about (not had a beer) boing boing!!!
Had a few beers myself, normal Saturday for me, proud to be a baggie, lets hope the next head couch understands what a great job it is. I'm still a football romantic despite everything. Sky money and fixture changes because of TV, can't change that. we need a head coach big enough to understand the job that he is taking on, player power you're having a laff. Oh yes broad stripes please!
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Trying to make this head coach relevant. Mmmmmm just watched the Laurie Cunninggham show again on you tube. I recommend it to all. Wearing his stripes (broad) what a player what a club. It reminded me how special we are. We are the Albion! So to make this relevant, whoever the next head coach is, he better realize what a great job it is. Who T F is David Moyes?
Haha! A lot of people have lately said we're not in the same league as the likes of (sic) Everton/ Newcastle blah blah blah, but if you can stand to go back to the time we left the original first division we were easily their match. We are a great club with rich history and generally have been in the ascendance for the last twelve years or so towards our former glory.
YES we can be that good again. So you're invited for the ride Mr. Moyes, fancy a go?
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Or if not Moyes then YES, Jol.
As long as we have broad stripes ;)
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Haha! A lot of people have lately said we're not in the same league as the likes of (sic) Everton/ Newcastle blah blah blah, but if you can stand to go back to the time we left the original first division we were easily their match. We are a great club with rich history and generally have been in the ascendance for the last twelve years or so towards our former glory.
YES we can be that good again. So you're invited for the ride Mr. Moyes, fancy a go?
Well said mate, we can still mix it with the best, we have been the underdog in terms of resources for decades still ain't stopped us ay it.
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With the recent George Thorne comments and the lack of discipline at the club It makes you wonder if this may influence the decision on the head coach, we need somebody who will take no bull from these players. We all want someone who can coach a "west brom way" of football but perhaps we need someone who will take a hard line on the players.
Dick Advocaat anybody?!
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With the recent George Thorne comments and the lack of discipline at the club It makes you wonder if this may influence the decision on the head coach, we need somebody who will take no bull from these players. We all want someone who can coach a "west brom way" of football but perhaps we need someone who will take a hard line on the players.
Dick Advocaat anybody?!
Thats why the likes of Downing need to go.A totally fresh approach
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The longer the search goes on and with his lack of job offers so far really I have the feeling it is going to be Moyes
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The longer the search goes on and with his lack of job offers so far really I have the feeling it is going to be Moyes
He wouldn't take any rubbish would he. Lets just hope it's tied up soon.
In regards to Downing, when you see video clips of the squad he always looks like "one if the lads" and has banter with the players. With the ill discipline running through the club it's time to see a management team who seperate themselves a bit. It's probably become all too comfortable. Don't see why Kiely should go though
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The longer the search goes on and with his lack of job offers so far really I have the feeling it is going to be Moyes
Exactly my thinking too. Moyes has also told the BBC he thinks he was unlucky to not be given more time at Man U. His been quite of late and reading between the lines his made the statement then his drawing a line under the past 12 months as his now his ready to move on!
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Although it may not be popular,should the board appoint a trio of Steve bull,peter Odemwingie and Harold shipman,I shall still continue to support my team,why people are being villa fickleesque about it I don't get,yes we would all love guardiola but there is no guarantee even with him?
I'm not a happy clapper but think at the mo JRP is the man for us,we all make errors (he's admitted it) but let's not right anyone off yet,Ian wright was non league,gmac was from Ipswich ,micheal Owen was just a YTS and Alan shearer had a trial for us in goal??
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For those that can't see the need to appoint the right person quickly...
We have already proven that taking a long time and doing the due diligence does not necessarily result in a good decision.
Let's say that we appoint someone in 2 weeks time, as suggested.
1. The world cup will have started - which generally means a slow transfer market, especially for top players - the ones we should be looking at.
2. The poor guy will have no insight into the remnants of our squad. He'll be able to take advice, but won't know for himself, the roles that need to be filled - I'm not talking about positions more captains, free kick takers, etc. He won't have deep knowledge of the attributes of those remaining - pace, power, heading, etc.
3. Only at this point will we have a good idea on formation of the team and the recruitment priorities - even the obvious, full backs... or maybe wing backs?
4. There will be 2 weeks to sort out everything before pre-season starts. From who does what in the coaching dept to where to live.
5. There will be 4 weeks until the 1st preseason friendly, and by then we need to have a full team - every position.
6. There will be 8 weeks until the 1st game to bring together this group of strangers, and coach and drill them into a coherent team and win PL games.
This is not ideal. It makes success less likely. It puts us at a disadvantage - in terms of player recruitment (right now) and implementing systems and tactics once the season starts (with the players that are eventually bought in).
It could all be done so much better and more effectively.
The team that has finished 17th has been relegated the following season in 3 out of the last 4 years. Therefore, we have to make a really good job of this massive change we are undergoing.
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For those that can't see the need to appoint the right person quickly...
We have already proven that taking a long time and doing the due diligence does not necessarily result in a good decision.
Let's say that we appoint someone in 2 weeks time, as suggested.
1. The world cup will have started - which generally means a slow transfer market, especially for top players - the ones we should be looking at.
2. The poor guy will have no insight into the remnants of our squad. He'll be able to take advice, but won't know for himself, the roles that need to be filled - I'm not talking about positions more captains, free kick takers, etc. He won't have deep knowledge of the attributes of those remaining - pace, power, heading, etc.
3. Only at this point will we have a good idea on formation of the team and the recruitment priorities - even the obvious, full backs... or maybe wing backs?
4. There will be 2 weeks to sort out everything before pre-season starts. From who does what in the coaching dept to where to live.
5. There will be 4 weeks until the 1st preseason friendly, and by then we need to have a full team - every position.
6. There will be 8 weeks until the 1st game to bring together this group of strangers, and coach and drill them into a coherent team and win PL games.
This is not ideal. It makes success less likely. It puts us at a disadvantage - in terms of player recruitment (right now) and implementing systems and tactics once the season starts (with the players that are eventually bought in).
It could all be done so much better and more effectively.
The team that has finished 17th has been relegated the following season in 3 out of the last 4 years. Therefore, we have to make a really good job of this massive change we are undergoing.
We'll get it done within the fortnight. Any longer and it'll be suicide for all the reasons you suggest. No need to be downhearted though.
Of the excellent points you make we're not the only club in this boat.
And I'd still rather be in the Baggies position of knowing exactly where we're weak and strengthening those areas than, say, Soton who are are about to have their first team filleted of all the prime cuts, or even Leicester who are a decent Championship side but who have the mother of all slogs ahead of them regardless of who they bring in.
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For those that can't see the need to appoint the right person quickly...
We have already proven that taking a long time and doing the due diligence does not necessarily result in a good decision.
Let's say that we appoint someone in 2 weeks time, as suggested.
1. The world cup will have started - which generally means a slow transfer market, especially for top players - the ones we should be looking at.
2. The poor guy will have no insight into the remnants of our squad. He'll be able to take advice, but won't know for himself, the roles that need to be filled - I'm not talking about positions more captains, free kick takers, etc. He won't have deep knowledge of the attributes of those remaining - pace, power, heading, etc.
3. Only at this point will we have a good idea on formation of the team and the recruitment priorities - even the obvious, full backs... or maybe wing backs?
4. There will be 2 weeks to sort out everything before pre-season starts. From who does what in the coaching dept to where to live.
5. There will be 4 weeks until the 1st preseason friendly, and by then we need to have a full team - every position.
6. There will be 8 weeks until the 1st game to bring together this group of strangers, and coach and drill them into a coherent team and win PL games.
This is not ideal. It makes success less likely. It puts us at a disadvantage - in terms of player recruitment (right now) and implementing systems and tactics once the season starts (with the players that are eventually bought in).
It could all be done so much better and more effectively.
The team that has finished 17th has been relegated the following season in 3 out of the last 4 years. Therefore, we have to make a really good job of this massive change we are undergoing.
Its for all the above points that I hope our first 2/3 games of the season are against top teams becourse we will need time to gel, so let's get these games out of the way
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“@SportsTonightTV: We believe WBA had made an enquiry into David Moyes availability,
It's believed the ex Manchester United manager will take a good break.”
Just saw this on Twitter retweeted by Tancredi Palmeri, an Italian journalist who seems to have his finger on the pulse with most things. Hoping their suggesting we have made an enquiry with Moyes is true but that their belief he would rather take a break isn't.
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There are reports that although think very highly of him Derek McInnes has not made the short list due to' relative lack of managerial experience'.
This also surely means that Keith Downing will not get the job. To me he was always a non runner anyway. Although he may get an interview the board are sure to look for someone with no 'season from hell' baggage. Downing's future will depend on who gets the job but he is probably on the way out.
I am however worried who we might get. Our structure precludes someone like Dick Advocaat who would find the presence of Garlick and Burton stifling and Malky Mackay apparently turned down the Norwich job as he wasn't prepared to work with a 'Director of Football'.
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I think that Moyes is a non starter. He will wait until a 'bigger' club comes along. I think we should go for another disciplinarian with something to prove. The sooner we appoint however the better.
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“@SportsTonightTV: We believe WBA had made an enquiry into David Moyes availability,
It's believed the ex Manchester United manager will take a good break.”
Just saw this on Twitter retweeted by Tancredi Palmeri, an Italian journalist who seems to have his finger on the pulse with most things. Hoping their suggesting we have made an enquiry with Moyes is true but that their belief he would rather take a break isn't.
He's written his own article in the times today where he basically states that he's received a couple of very tempting offers from this country that he is considering, along with also considering working abroad or taking time out and watching football from all over the world. It's safe to see that if we want him, then he's probably considering it.
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There are reports that although think very highly of him Derek McInnes has not made the short list due to' relative lack of managerial experience'.
This also surely means that Keith Downing will not get the job. To me he was always a non runner anyway. Although he may get an interview the board are sure to look for someone with no 'season from hell' baggage. Downing's future will depend on who gets the job but he is probably on the way out.
I am however worried who we might get. Our structure precludes someone like Dick Advocaat who would find the presence of Garlick and Burton stifling and Malky Mackay apparently turned down the Norwich job as he wasn't prepared to work with a 'Director of Football'.
Malky worked with Ian Moody as Director of Football at Watford and Cardiff so I doubt that was the reason he didn't get the Norwich job.
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We need our new Head Coach to have something to prove and be 100% committed, rather than half-wishing he was sat in an armchair watching football on the TV. Remember that Moyes got a very big pay-off from Man U, so he doesn't need the money.
If it does end up being Moyes, and I still think we're not the best club for him to try to rebuild his reputation again, I hope he still has the required fire in his belly.
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There are reports that although think very highly of him Derek McInnes has not made the short list due to' relative lack of managerial experience'.
This also surely means that Keith Downing will not get the job. To me he was always a non runner anyway. Although he may get an interview the board are sure to look for someone with no 'season from hell' baggage. Downing's future will depend on who gets the job but he is probably on the way out.
I am however worried who we might get. Our structure precludes someone like Dick Advocaat who would find the presence of Garlick and Burton stifling and Malky Mackay apparently turned down the Norwich job as he wasn't prepared to work with a 'Director of Football'.
I think Malky turned down the Norwich job due to their relegation. Very friendly with the owners and has been seen out with them a couple of times according to a Norwich fan I know.
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I hope there's nothing in it, but I see Brian McDermott has parted company with Leeds. Whoever takes the job will have a tough task ahead, although I did read that Peace was now back on track with the Baggies. Whether this means more money for players or not, I don't know. A very tough & intriguing season ahead.
COYB
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Dick Advocaat has for most of his career would have worked within the Continental Model and therefore would not be unduly worried about working with a technical director. It is bigger issue for British coaches like Moyes and Hodgson etc...
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I hope there's nothing in it, but I see Brian McDermott has parted company with Leeds. Whoever takes the job will have a tough task ahead, although I did read that Peace was now back on track with the Baggies. Whether this means more money for players or not, I don't know. A very tough & intriguing season ahead.
COYB
I noticed he is now second favourite with some bookmakers.
Worrying.
No disrespect, but I don't think he is good enough.
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I don't understand why so many people pay attention to the bookies. All that is happening is people have seen he is free put one and one together and got five. The bookies have then lowered their odds so they aren't handing to much cash out should it be true. In this case I have no doubt its false. McDermott was ruled out last week and I still don't believe he would even be on the seven man short list we have heard so much about this past week. My heart says Moyes but my head says it will be Jol with it being the more realistic option.
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A few of JP's comments have suggested somebody with Premiership experience. This is about as much as we have to go on. The bookies odds mean nothing at the moment.
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I don't understand why so many people pay attention to the bookies. All that is happening is people have seen he is free put one and one together and got five. The bookies have then lowered their odds so they aren't handing to much cash out should it be true. In this case I have no doubt its false. McDermott was ruled out last week and I still don't believe he would even be on the seven man short list we have heard so much about this past week. My heart says Moyes but my head says it will be Jol with it being the more realistic option.
You're wasting your breath about the bookies odds! Someone could put thousands on a complete outsider with no chance of getting the job and their odds would tumble. They mean nothing.
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I have a hunch that Adkins might figure on the shortlist, or at the very least get mentioned in reports as someone who was taken very seriously at the long listing stage.
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I have a hunch that Adkins might figure on the shortlist, or at the very least get mentioned in reports as someone who was taken very seriously at the long listing stage.
I had him at 50/1 the day after Mel was released.
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'Dick Advocaat has for most of his career would have worked within the Continental Model and therefore would not be unduly worried about working with a technical director. It is bigger issue for British coaches like Moyes and Hodgson etc...'
Fair point and Advocaat, even though he is 66, is the kind of coach that likes the feel of the grass under his feet.
All that experience, national teams Belgium, Russia and two stints as the Dutch manager in addition to clubs Borussia Monchengladbach, PSV, Zenit and of course Rangers. Knows how to produce a team playing attractive and winning football and how to handle and coach players - takes no messing about at all.
Is he being considered and would he be interested ?
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'Dick Advocaat has for most of his career would have worked within the Continental Model and therefore would not be unduly worried about working with a technical director. It is bigger issue for British coaches like Moyes and Hodgson etc...'
Fair point and Advocaat, even though he is 66, is the kind of coach that likes the feel of the grass under his feet.
All that experience, national teams Belgium, Russia and two stints as the Dutch manager in addition to clubs Borussia Monchengladbach, PSV, Zenit and of course Rangers. Knows how to produce a team playing attractive and winning football and how to handle and coach players - takes no messing about at all.
Is he being considered and would he be interested ?
I hope so, and, I hope so
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A few of JP's comments have suggested somebody with Premiership experience. This is about as much as we have to go on. The bookies odds mean nothing at the moment.
So who fits into that category?
1. What classifies as Premier League experience? 10 games? 20? 30+? There is a major difference between someone such as Moyes and Mackay who got half a season.
2. What time period would JP consider? 1 year? 2 years? 3 years+?
If you said Premier League experience in last 2 years and someone who has managed over 30 games AND is available the list comes down dramatically.
If the remit is general experience over x number of years the list is huge! It does scare me slightly :-X
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I hope so, and, I hope so
Advocaat never seems to stay in a job long and doesn't really come across well in the media.
If it was to be a Dutch coach who is free at the moment, I would much prefer Frank de Boer or Ronald Koeman. They both played alot of internationals in strong Holland sides, and so would have the respect of the players,but both are excellent coaches in their own right, with strong visions of the game. They play attractive football, but both strike me as able to handle players. Another Dutch coach who is free is Bert van Marwijk, who coached Holland to the last World Cup Final. Martin Jol looked to have lost the plot at Fulham, but his overall track record both here and in Holland is good and he has the advantage of knowing our club,
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Advocaat never seems to stay in a job long and doesn't really come across well in the media.
If it was to be a Dutch coach who is free at the moment, I would much prefer Frank de Boer or Ronald Koeman. They both played alot of internationals in strong Holland sides, and so would have the respect of the players,but both are excellent coaches in their own right, with strong visions of the game. They play attractive football, but both strike me as able to handle players. Another Dutch coach who is free is Bert van Marwijk, who coached Holland to the last World Cup Final. Martin Jol looked to have lost the plot at Fulham, but his overall track record both here and in Holland is good and he has the advantage of knowing our club,
Sorry, I missed the part where I said him to the exclusion of anyone else. All I said was I hope he's ON THE LIST and that WE ARE TALKING TO HIM !!
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I am hopefull we see some white smoke this week
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I am hopefull we see some white smoke this week
Will it have blue pin stripes?
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Will it have blue pin stripes?
most likely if its the Red Arrows flying over
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Quietest day i have known on this thread. Calm before the storm.
I see Roy Keane has turned down Celtic paving the way for Steve Clarke?
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Quietest day i have known on this thread. Calm before the storm.
I see Roy Keane has turned down Celtic paving the way for Steve Clarke?
Well if anyone can lead them to second place, Steve Clarke can.
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Well if anyone can lead them to second place, Steve Clarke can.
Never know he could lead them to their most successful season in 30 years like he did with us
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I am disappointed that jezza hasn't leaked ridiculous candidates names to the press in advance of the season ticket deadline. Maybe the penny has finally dropped that we refused to be conned any longer. Then again he has 9 minutes!!!!!
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Never know he could lead them to their most successful season in 30 years like he did with us
It's possible, I liked Clarke, but another alternative view of the future is that he could take on a run where they only win half a dozen or so games in eleven months or thereabouts. Like he did with us.
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So who fits into that category?
1. What classifies as Premier League experience? 10 games? 20? 30+? There is a major difference between someone such as Moyes and Mackay who got half a season.
2. What time period would JP consider? 1 year? 2 years? 3 years+?
If you said Premier League experience in last 2 years and someone who has managed over 30 games AND is available the list comes down dramatically.
If the remit is general experience over x number of years the list is huge! It does scare me slightly :-X
Brian McDermott has prem experience with Reading - God help us !
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That's one way of looking at it, another is that we know absolutely nothing of our search and none of us really know where to start, this must be the only managerial search i've ever known be so quiet ???
No rumours, no news, no sightings from the McDonald's across the road. Nothing.
True, there's nothing is there?
....somehow feels like we are either going to get someone blindingly brilliant that they have been massaging for weeks, or a last minute sack of cack.
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Brian McDermott has prem experience with Reading - God help us !
I haven't looked back to remind myself as to why, but I recall feeling at the time that he was extremely unlucky to be sacked by Reading.
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Quietest day i have known on this thread. Calm before the storm.
I see Roy Keane has turned down Celtic paving the way for Steve Clarke?
Maybe people have stopped caring a little as it drags on and on I know just speaking for myself that ive gone past the stage of caring until some serious news comes about ie a appointment
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I do care about it a lot, and normally I like the drip-drip of rumours that get circulated.
It is a lot different this time though isn't it? That way I look at it, the silence from the Club means that they've been working their whatsits off trying to sound out the right people and arrange a proper interview schedule.
The Moyes quote about 'one or two tempting offers' has me hopeful too.
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I'm going to organise a street party if Moyes gets 'elected'.
Which is going to look weird and nobody will come because I live in Lancashire.
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I just hope this is the last time we have to do this for a while, I doubt it though, it's driving me crazy looking at every bit of news on every web site .
I am defiantly stopping it now and will listen to every sports program instead. lol.
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I'm going to organise a street party if Moyes gets 'elected'.
Which is going to look weird and nobody will come because I live in Lancashire.
I'll attend! Bit of a yomp from London, but would be delighted if Moyes is appointed!
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I'll attend! Bit of a yomp from London, but would be delighted if Moyes is appointed!
I'll get a case of Director's in then ;)
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I'll get a case of Director's in then ;)
Real ale, you are talking my language.
In all seriousness, hopefully the deafening silence is because we don't want to lose a great deal.
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Surely we will hear something the next couple of days. Wasn't it supposed to gather pace this week?
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Real ale, you are talking my language.
In all seriousness, hopefully the deafening silence is because we don't want to lose a great deal.
I actually think JP is boxing clever here. Hope to Astle that I'm right.
And in all seriousness, great real ale pub just down the road in an old bank. Might actually have that party after all and invite 'scattered' baggies along....
Come on JP, secure that deal!!!
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Don't worry, our new Head Coach can't be appointed until
he Downing returns from holiday.
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Don't worry, our new Head Coach can't be appointed until he Downing returns from holiday.
Ooffffff!!!
Funny and agonising at the same time. Cheers for that ::)
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Just out of curiousity, seeing as there is such a lack of news and rumours circulating and not much to talk about as of now, would you as fans rather have 3-4 names mistakenly strongly linked with the job (Rumours saying "imminent appointment" etc) over a few weeks or have an absolute silence as there has been during this managerial hunt?
On one hand you get excited and then dissapointed, but it passes the time and feels like theres progress being made, but on the other it's agonisingly quiet but you know that when you hear news it'll likely be genuine. Personally i prefer to have something to talk about as it makes the wait not seem so long.
I do think so. It's easy to laugh off the ludicrous press stories but when there aren't any and all you can see is tumbleweed, I personally crave the Albion equivalent of 'Heat'.
The waiting is tough I find....
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Real ale, you are talking my language.
In all seriousness, hopefully the deafening silence is because we don't want to lose a great deal.
Almost feels as if it's a done deal just waiting for something to happen/kick in before it's announced.
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The club said from the start it was 3-4 week process, its 3 weeks today since Mel left so its not really unsurprising. Presumably they'll have whittled down a final shortlist and be doing final interviews this week as always seemed to be the clubs time scale.
Its not really surprising a lack of links either - RDM, Hodgson, Clarke, and Mel (when he was actually appointed) all had little to no press coverage right up until their arrival was imminent.
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I think several people had weeks off last week (in football in general, not just at the Albion), plsu Burton has just started. I think interviews this friday or coming monday appointed mid week next week.
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Almost feels as if it's a done deal just waiting for something to happen/kick in before it's announced.
maybe your right. Lambert signed for Liverpool last week. The pictures released in the paper showed him with his Liverpool shirt shaking hands on Monday, the same day that he was in Miami with the England squad.
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Albion start talks with shortlisted candidates for manager job
Around half-a-dozen candidates understood to be on shortlist for head coach vacancy with Paul Clement still the bookies' favourite.
West Bromwich Albion have started working through the short-list for their vacant head coach role as the search for Pepe Mel’s successor gathers pace.
The Baggies are believed to have identified around half-a-dozen candidates and have already met some amid a growing sense of urgency at The Hawthorns.
With new technical director Terry Burton now in place and having started work on Monday, Albion are intent on finding the coach to head up the squad building for next season.
That process will continue for the rest of the week and while the club are tight-lipped about their preferred candidates, Real Madrid coach Paul Clement remains the front-runner, at least with bookmakers, although some sources have poured cold water on that rumour of late.
Chris Hughton, Dave Jones, Brian McDermott and Neil Lennon are also unlikely to fill the hot seat and the case for Malky Mackay should not be overstated.
That leaves former Baggie Derek McInnes in the running with Glenn Hoddle, Gianfranco Zola and Steve Round as definite possibilities.
Tim Sherwood and David Moyes are also outsiders but Moyes suggested in a Sunday newspaper that he is considering a break from the sport, while Sherwood does not have universal support.
Albion hope the picture will be much more clear by the end of the week, depending on how discussions go with those high on their short-list.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-albion-start-talks-7206305 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-albion-start-talks-7206305)
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From those I would take Derek McInnes.
Hoddle - Just no
Zola - Never understood the fuss
Round - Too Steve Clarke-esque
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Albion start talks with shortlisted candidates for manager job
Around half-a-dozen candidates understood to be on shortlist for head coach vacancy with Paul Clement still the bookies' favourite.
West Bromwich Albion have started working through the short-list for their vacant head coach role as the search for Pepe Mel’s successor gathers pace.
The Baggies are believed to have identified around half-a-dozen candidates and have already met some amid a growing sense of urgency at The Hawthorns.
With new technical director Terry Burton now in place and having started work on Monday, Albion are intent on finding the coach to head up the squad building for next season.
That process will continue for the rest of the week and while the club are tight-lipped about their preferred candidates, Real Madrid coach Paul Clement remains the front-runner, at least with bookmakers, although some sources have poured cold water on that rumour of late.
Chris Hughton, Dave Jones, Brian McDermott and Neil Lennon are also unlikely to fill the hot seat and the case for Malky Mackay should not be overstated.
That leaves former Baggie Derek McInnes in the running with Glenn Hoddle, Gianfranco Zola and Steve Round as definite possibilities.
Tim Sherwood and David Moyes are also outsiders but Moyes suggested in a Sunday newspaper that he is considering a break from the sport, while Sherwood does not have universal support.
Albion hope the picture will be much more clear by the end of the week, depending on how discussions go with those high on their short-list.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-albion-start-talks-7206305 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-albion-start-talks-7206305)
Was getting excited then. Saw that link last night.Its good it eliminates all the failed coaches
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From those I would take Derek McInnes.
Hoddle - Just no
Zola - Never understood the fuss
Round - Too Steve Clarke-esque
Round :o not a chance.They havent got a clue have they. Yes i would take Hoddle
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From those I would take Derek McInnes.
Hoddle - Just no
Zola - Never understood the fuss
Round - Too Steve Clarke-esque
I wouldn't take any of them.
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I dont know if I'm looking forward with joy or aprehension.
I'm pretty sure that the appointment will be completely left field
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For those who have doubts about McInnes (and i do with the Scottish standard) how annoyed would we be if he came back to England and did very well with somebody else ? . I'd imagine we would be kicking ourselves to be honest especially if we end up with one of the same old names for the next 18 months.
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Round - no experience on his own
Zola - perpetual fail
Hoddle - Always has BOTH eyes on Spurs, we are only a stop-gap
Oh god help us !!!
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I wouldn't take any of them.
I to would take none of those. For me after all this time waiting for an appointment to be made if it was one of those names it would be very anti climatic. Id love the club to push the boat out and bring in either Moyes Sherwood or Bilic.
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Round - no experience on his own
Zola - perpetual fail
Hoddle - Always has BOTH eyes on Spurs, we are only a stop-gap
Oh god help us !!!
Depressing really if these are being considered.
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Recent reports has said that Peace wants a experienced in premier league manager to fill in the role.Therefore McInnes and Steve Round should be a non-starter?
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If those are the final 4 god help us.
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The ONLY reason people want McInnes is because he was fondly remembered during his time here. You can't accuse the club of lack of ambition if you'd be happy with McInnes.
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Yep, rose tinted glasses for McInnes from some people here, rose tinted glasses that would soon be thrown to the ground and stamped on when it all goes tits up.
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I agree people only want Mcinnes based on his time here as a player. He hasnt done all that as a coach and has no premier league experience whats so ever. Looking at that list keeping in mind peace suggested we will aim to bring someone in with experience. that leaves only one outstanding candidate...Hoddle :'(
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None of those mentioned will be able to do the job. Much as I would love McInnes to come in and succeed, with him I'm afraid we'd have to be prepared for things to get worse (relegation), before they got better. I'd be surprised if it's any of those quoted in that list.
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Where are the Moyes ITK guys?
Devils Advocate - could Moyes be quiet about his future and saying he was considering a break to pour water on other speculation linking him (as hasn't really happened) with other jobs. We believe he was spoken to and that he was apparently happy with terms and considering options - he's not alluded to the fact he's talked to teams just had promising offers. Local papers haven't had a clue recently, and the only reason those 4 names are being touted as 'in the frame' is because they're the only ones they've not been told aren't in the running - let's face it a final 4 of Zola, Hoddle, McInnes and Round seem to have been plucked out of thin air - even if you don't want them you'd hope Hughton, Jol and others would be before some random choices.
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Sherwood for me.
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Where are the Moyes ITK guys?
Devils Advocate - could Moyes be quiet about his future and saying he was considering a break to pour water on other speculation linking him (as hasn't really happened) with other jobs. We believe he was spoken to and that he was apparently happy with terms and considering options - he's not alluded to the fact he's talked to teams just had promising offers. Local papers haven't had a clue recently, and the only reason those 4 names are being touted as 'in the frame' is because they're the only ones they've not been told aren't in the running - let's face it a final 4 of Zola, Hoddle, McInnes and Round seem to have been plucked out of thin air - even if you don't want them you'd hope Hughton, Jol and others would be before some random choices.
I was told by a mate last week who hears a few Albion related snippets every now and then that Moyes was very happy with what we offered him. I have no doubt when Moyes was speaking about receiving one or two offers that he was mulling over that we are one of those two offers.
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All of those mentioned are depressing. The very fact that hoddle is being considered suggests those at the top lack any kind of footballing knowledge. Unless I'm missing something, those names qualify Peace's statement of intent as bullsh*t, or misguided at best. Can't help but feel as a club we are going backwards (and have been since Ashworth left), and unless something changes drastically very soon, we'll be going down next season. Really lose my passion for football when such obviously stupid decisions are made by those at the top that even the fans can see coming a mile off. Still, hope I'm wrong and that Peace has got an ace up his sleeve with regards to the new head coach
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These latest reports are extremely underwhelming but exactly in line with what I am expecting. Hoddle? Oh dear we'd be mad to appoint him. McInnes? Where is the stellar record and the experience? Round? Scraping the barrel here. At least he is not a previous failure but that is as much because he is a number 2. Zola, too nice by far. His teams play well for a while then things go pearshaped.
I'd be tempted by Sherwood, not because I expect him to be a success on the contrary, but if we are to appoint some inbetween disaster we might just as well appoint someone who will kick the players arses.
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The ONLY reason people want McInnes is because he was fondly remembered during his time here. You can't accuse the club of lack of ambition if you'd be happy with McInnes.
Not the case for me , without doubt he would be a gamble but has done well in every job he has had even Bristol City until money was taken from him. Young , ambitious coach ....sooner that than the same old gang of managers linked.
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"definite possibilities"
I wouldn't get too upset just yet, a rather vague and indeterminate turn of phrase. The names in this article seem to have been conjured from a process of guess work and elimination. The club are hardly giving the local press a crumb of worthwhile information and it shows.
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Still think it should be Lennon, managed at the top level, passionate and the sort of tactical nous that he showed against Barcelona is exactly how we will get points against better teams than us which is most of the league. Saying Lennon is a bad choice is like saying Guardiola would be just because there is no domestic competition.
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Remember, these names have not been released by the club, just journo's frustrated at the club's lack of disclosure. I would be amazed if any of these were being seriously considered. Only Hoddle has any pedigree and he is years out of date.
What happened to Ranieri, has he ever been discounted? I know it would be a step down from Monaco, but surely we would have sounded him out.
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Remember, these names have not been released by the club, just journo's frustrated at the club's lack of disclosure. I would be amazed if any of these were being seriously considered. Only Hoddle has any pedigree and he is years out of date.
What happened to Ranieri, has he ever been discounted? I know it would be a step down from Monaco, but surely we would have sounded him out.
what the area
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what the area
Of course not! Who would turn their nose up at a nice flat in Smethwick, he's probably already considered it as a retirement option, I was thinking more of the lack of Champions League
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All of those mentioned are depressing. The very fact that hoddle is being considered suggests those at the top lack any kind of footballing knowledge. Unless I'm missing something, those names qualify Peace's statement of intent as bullsh*t, or misguided at best. Can't help but feel as a club we are going backwards (and have been since Ashworth left), and unless something changes drastically very soon, we'll be going down next season. Really lose my passion for football when such obviously stupid decisions are made by those at the top that even the fans can see coming a mile off. Still, hope I'm wrong and that Peace has got an ace up his sleeve with regards to the new head coach
How do you know Hoddle has been considered? There's no proof we've spoken to him in the slightest. He's just a name who hasn't been discounted. Just like my name, or your name or Alex Ferguson's name, or Gianlucca Vialli's name. Can't get mad at the club for a tiny snippet of information with no evidence of it. It'll be a case of looking at the odds and writing the names in an article.
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Of course not! Who would turn their nose up at a nice flat in Smethwick, he's probably already considered it as a retirement option, I was thinking more of the lack of Champions League
as a competition though the premier league is much more competitive than the French league.
The flat could swing the deal though
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The local journos don't seem to have any information at all about who is ON the short list. I'm hopeful of Moyes, he couldn't help but see the similarity to Roy's position on joining and leaving us.
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Off that list I would be happiest with McInnes but none of the names are half as horrific as some posters are suggesting. I cannot pretend that I am a Hoddle fan but if he is the worst option in front of us it is far from terrible.
I do not see what Sherwood brings that any of the others don't. Moyes or a coach of similar ilk was always along shot. I absolutely do not accept that failure is guaranteed with almost whoever we appoint as Head Coach.
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The List, that people keep refering to is the list that bored and frustrated journo's keep putting together based on The Other List that keeps getting compiled by the bookies.
As soon as a manager gets sacked or comes into the out of work category thats another 'favourite' to add to the list.
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Still think it should be Lennon, managed at the top level, passionate and the sort of tactical nous that he showed against Barcelona is exactly how we will get points against better teams than us which is most of the league. Saying Lennon is a bad choice is like saying Guardiola would be just because there is no domestic competition.
I'd have to agree. Lennon would be fantastic. Too many fans want a manager who they can be chums with and not a manager who can get the best out of the team. Also Lennon would give us an opportunity to hand pick the best talent from the SPL.
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Are people really seeing someone whose last football management job ended nearly 8 years ago at a well funded championship club who he didn't get promoted in 2 attempts - drawing nearly half of his games - as a good candidate for West Brom's 5th season in the PL? It really makes me wonder how low some peoples' expectations have become. I mean Glenn Hoddle FFS.
Zola and Hoddle have a track record of failure. At least Round and Sherwood have potential. None of them are good enough.
This is just the left-over list of obvious candidates who haven't been dismissed from one source or other. Surely?
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I wouldnt be disappointed with Lennon
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I'd have to agree. Lennon would be fantastic. Too many fans want a manager who they can be chums with and not a manager who can get the best out of the team. Also Lennon would give us an opportunity to hand pick the best talent from the SPL.
Handpick the best talent from the SPL? sadly the quality of the SPL means that players from there often fail in the premier league. I'm thinking Gary Hooper, Alan Hutton, Steven Davis, Steven Whittaker, Barry Fergusson, Charlie Adam etc probably only Victor Wanayama could be seen as any kind of success.
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Are the football department conducting interviews from the london offices this time.
If so , hope they have got the skype up and ready.
Still time for ragnick to throw his hat in. Tighten your seat belts my freinds this is where the fun begins and we find out how useless our local journo's are and someone totally left field gets appointed.
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I actually really like reading Chris L and Steve Madelely's reports, I trust what they say and also value their opinion. But I really think their journalism is letting them down. They seem to either a) have no idea or b) know but unwilling to say.
If it's A then I believe that is poor journalism. They are very close to the club and will no doubt have contacts in all areas on the club. As we reach the final stages of the vacancy for there to be silence from them is deafening.
If it's B then again this is poor journalism. They are not official club reporters so they should be able to speak freely if they know anything.
If the national press had more of an interest in us they no doubt would have extracted some info from somewhere that would allow us to know roughly who is in the running.
I have some sympathy that the club may have kept card close, but for the local press to ONLY report on names ruled out, and then look down the bookies list and name who hasn't been ruled out is, in my opinion, poor journalism.
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There are three lists doing the rounds it seems.
a) The bookies' lists, which appear to be a ragbag of the usual names of the usual unemployed suspects and which don't provide anything in the way of insight to me
b) The local journo's list which is mainly useful for telling me who probably won't get the job. And then they do the daft thing of cross referencing what they say with the bookies' list, which is bit like asking King Herod for advice on childcare IMO
c) The Albion Board's list, which is the one that matters. And they ain't saying anything probably until they've done the deal.
This waiting is hell for my nerves, but I fully understand why they're trying to keep it in house.
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http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/9336409/michael-laudrup-would-only-take-offer-from-big-club-in-premier-league
Michael Laudrup would only take offer from 'big club' in Premier League
Michael Laudrup has seemingly ruled himself out of the running for the Southampton and West Bromwich Albion jobs - insisting he would only now take an offer from a 'big club'.
Laudrup, who is also believed to have been offered the Granada post, admits talking to clubs in Spain and England, but does not seem enticed by the prospects currently on offer.
He now admits that unless he gets an offer from a major side in Europe he would look at other opportunities from around the world.
"I have talked to clubs in England and Spain," Laudrup told Politiken.
"I will try to not sound arrogant now, because I am not, but it has been clubs on a level where I have already been.
"I have tried smaller clubs in the two big leagues, Getafe and Mallorca in Spain and Swansea in the Premier League.
"Therefore, I do not see any reason to repeat it.
"That leaves with me two options: to wait for an offer from a big club or accept one the offers I have received from clubs outside Europe."
Laudrup admits that he does not see himself continuing as a coach until old age.
"I have decided that I will never be the kind of coach who travels from bench to bench until I turn 70 years," he admitted.
"There are coaches who do that, even Danes, for them it is a lifestyle. That is not the case for me, for me coaching is a job."
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S'alright. I don't think Laudrup is a good fit for the Albion job anyway.
Is there anyone NOT mentioned much who might be on the list?
What do people think about Adkins?
DO we realistically think it's only people out of a job, or does anyone think that JP will pay compensation this time?
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http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/9336409/michael-laudrup-would-only-take-offer-from-big-club-in-premier-league
Michael Laudrup would only take offer from 'big club' in Premier League
Michael Laudrup has seemingly ruled himself out of the running for the Southampton and West Bromwich Albion jobs - insisting he would only now take an offer from a 'big club'.
Laudrup, who is also believed to have been offered the Granada post, admits talking to clubs in Spain and England, but does not seem enticed by the prospects currently on offer.
He now admits that unless he gets an offer from a major side in Europe he would look at other opportunities from around the world.
"I have talked to clubs in England and Spain," Laudrup told Politiken.
"I will try to not sound arrogant now, because I am not, but it has been clubs on a level where I have already been.
"I have tried smaller clubs in the two big leagues, Getafe and Mallorca in Spain and Swansea in the Premier League.
"Therefore, I do not see any reason to repeat it.
"That leaves with me two options: to wait for an offer from a big club or accept one the offers I have received from clubs outside Europe."
Laudrup admits that he does not see himself continuing as a coach until old age.
"I have decided that I will never be the kind of coach who travels from bench to bench until I turn 70 years," he admitted.
"There are coaches who do that, even Danes, for them it is a lifestyle. That is not the case for me, for me coaching is a job."
Laudrup, it should not be forgotten, was SACKED by Swansea - and so was his agent. Locals say he didn't spend as much time as he should on the training ground amongst other things. So no loss!
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Laudrup is waiting for a massive club like the Villa.I aint going to loose any sleep
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Laudrup = overrated, except in his own eyes of course.
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Basically, he applied and we turned him down.
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Whilst I don't recall JP saying we will definetly appoint a manager with premiership management experience, I do strongly feel that will be the case this time around as I believe he wants someone proven for a change so we can finally have a stable management team for the next x years.
I strongly feel he will make a great effort to appoint a manager on a par with, if not better than, Roy Hodgson... with the common criteria they've all had some success in this league.
So I'm confident and expecting a manager of the following calibre to be appointed: Moyes, Jol, Ranieri (albeit Im not sure how good his English is now). There may be more I've forgotten but these only come to mind as they've all recently lots their jobs.
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I hate to say this but our reputation for turning over managers every18 months or so looks like it has finally come back to bite us. We will not attract superstar managers due to restrictions in spending and a history of issues between the board and team manager. Add to the fact we want a "coach" and that reduces our choices further.
I'd love to see the original applicants list as it was shared as being so long with lots of experience.
I believe most coaches coming here only see us as a stepping stone to bigger clubs. Its a shame but it is reality.
Chances are we will appoint someone that won't please most of us and if that happens so be it. They will have my support either way for I am a Baggie fan and this is what we do. We have seen some highs and way too many lows but that's what keeps me going. I still believe in the Albion.
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Shaun Dyche anyone???
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Shaun Dyche anyone???
not bad but no chance.
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i saw on face book, WBA Fanzone that Dyche was in the running
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Not sure if it's been mentioned but Thomas Schaaf is now Manager at Eintracht Frankfurt.
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Didn't JP say, in his "yeah, it was my fault guys, don't worry. i'll sort it" speech, that his aim was to get in "the best english speaking coach possible for us to get" (or something to that affect, i'm paraphrasing, but it was roughly that)
Therefore, Downing for example and Hoddle can't be anywhere near. Downing will probably get an interview as it's good manners if nothing else to get your internal guys.
But Hoddle and several others mentioned, Hughton for example cannot in a millions years be described as the best going. SO unless JP wants to make himself look like an backside, he must be aiming high.
Dyche, Moyes and several others are open to argument, but if I can find the quote i'm looking for, there's 0% chance of Downing and co I would have thought
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I wouldnt put anything past The Albion. Thats something that history has taught me about them, you NEVER know what they will do...............one or OFF the pitch ???
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After Mel was sacked the club said it would take 4 weeks to appoint someone. It's nearly been 4 weeks so...?
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i saw on face book, WBA Fanzone that Dyche was in the running
Apparantely it was in The Sun
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From those I would take Derek McInnes.
Hoddle - Just no
Zola - Never understood the fuss
Round - Too Steve Clarke-esque
good shout . we have got to be realistic /if he;s interviewed the most likely to work within the clubs structure ;)
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I know he had a brief spell with the Dingles, but I'd have Hoddle like a shot. He'd have us playing attractive football & would certainly have that little bit of clout when trying to attract players to the club. Tbh he hasn't got a bad track record in management & would've had a couple more years with England if he hadn't started gobbling off about non-football issues.
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I hate to say this but our reputation for turning over managers every18 months or so looks like it has finally come back to bite us. We will not attract superstar managers due to restrictions in spending and a history of issues between the board and team manager. Add to the fact we want a "coach" and that reduces our choices further.
I'd love to see the original applicants list as it was shared as being so long with lots of experience.
I believe most coaches coming here only see us as a stepping stone to bigger clubs. Its a shame but it is reality.
Chances are we will appoint someone that won't please most of us and if that happens so be it. They will have my support either way for I am a Baggie fan and this is what we do. We have seen some highs and way too many lows but that's what keeps me going. I still believe in the Albion.
I've always said it.
We're only a stepping stone for improving managers and players on the way up or has been's on the way down. Look at our recent history. Mowbray gave us all the love and togetherness speech's then does one at the first job offer. Anelka and Rosenberg all the experience in the world but not committed as they really have nothing to play for. We're not on our own the same can be said of half a dozen clubs in this league.
Its what we are
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After Mel was sacked the club said it would take 4 weeks to appoint someone. It's nearly been 4 weeks so...?
We were always told that there was a contingency plan for replacing a manager - what an absolute shambles! Well run club my backside.
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Can't get past Laud Burp's apparent sound bite, edited for your (and my) benefit......
“I don't want to seem arrogant now, because that's not the way I am........
"I could go anywhere."
Priceless. Such humility.
Also in the news tonight:
'Albion’s hierarchy have only just returned from their holidays and have scheduled in interviews this week after creating a shortlist of several candidates.
But one of those will not be former Swansea boss Michael Laudrup.'
Translates as 'we don't have a fricking clue. The Hawthorns is a gossip fortress; help....'
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So they were 99% sure Mel would be sent packing, and pretty sure we would stay up after West Ham... a months notice really of all this... so they all went on holiday?????
No way to run a chip shop, never mind a premiership football club.
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i saw on face book, WBA Fanzone that Dyche was in the running
. It has been reported that he's been short listed ,but could be his agent putting it out to force Burnley's hand. Apparently no formidable fund to spend for this seasons Premiership campaign
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I know he had a brief spell with the Dingles, but I'd have Hoddle like a shot. He'd have us playing attractive football & would certainly have that little bit of clout when trying to attract players to the club. Tbh he hasn't got a bad track record in management & would've had a couple more years with England if he hadn't started gobbling off about non-football issues.
No fossils please. (IMHO)
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. It has been reported that he's been short listed ,but could be his agent putting it out to force Burnley's hand. Apparently no formidable fund to spend for this seasons Premiership campaign
I like him, but he falls down on the premiership experience criteria.
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I know he had a brief spell with the Dingles, but I'd have Hoddle like a shot. He'd have us playing attractive football & would certainly have that little bit of clout when trying to attract players to the club. Tbh he hasn't got a bad track record in management & would've had a couple more years with England if he hadn't started gobbling off about non-football issues.
Ask the Wolves fans what they think of Glenn Hoddle - they don't rate him too highly.
Passing the ball around between your four defenders and settling for draws is not good football.
Have a read of this and check out some of their thoughts: http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?p=1708202
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So they were 99% sure Mel would be sent packing, and pretty sure we would stay up after West Ham... a months notice really of all this... so they all went on holiday?????
No way to run a chip shop, never mind a premiership football club.
I totally agree. Any other multi million £ business would not have its board go away on holiday with such a major issue at hand
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There wont be an annoucment till after June 25th.
Albion want Roy Hodgson...Heard it here first! Fails to get England out the group and the Baggies will have the man they never wanted to loose!
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All the complaining about the lack of news/gossip.
Remember in Jan, when it was a different name every day, and the whole thing seemed like a circus?
I'd rather this was done behind closed doors, professionally, with one name signed and sealed before the news is delivered - even if it it is somebody we don't want (Downing).
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There wont be an annoucment till after June 25th.
Albion want Roy Hodgson...Heard it here first! Fails to get England out the group and the Baggies will have the man they never wanted to loose!
Roy would never come back! I've been told on several occasions that he didn't even want to stay when he left, despite staying 'he would have liked to stay'. It would have taken a huge amount of change to convince him to stay, there were a few aspects of the job he wasn't overly keen on.
As an aside I'm not sure he would want a another job anyway, assuming he leaves England this summer which is far from nailed on.
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There wont be an annoucment till after June 25th.
Albion want Roy Hodgson...Heard it here first! Fails to get England out the group and the Baggies will have the man they never wanted to loose!
. No Chance! That my friend has long gone
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There wont be an annoucment till after June 25th.
Albion want Roy Hodgson...Heard it here first! Fails to get England out the group and the Baggies will have the man they never wanted to loose!
I'm not sure any of us can put up with another month waiting. If that was the plan England would go on and win the World Cup! We'd then end up with plan B - Downing....
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Whatever happens can we all please promise to never mention Downing's name on here again?
Even if he gets chosen?
He won't by the way. Oh god no no no no no no no please say he won't.
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If it's Downing I'm Emigrating
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What do people think of Swansea's decision to appoint Gary Monk? Us appointing Downing would be a similar move I think. He knows people inside the club and playing squad and has no real experience in the PL or in a managers role at all.
The only reason Swansea fans aren't going crazy is because he played for them.
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What do people think of Swansea's decision to appoint Gary Monk? Us appointing Downing would be a similar move I think. He knows people inside the club and playing squad and has no real experience in the PL or in a managers role at all.
The only reason Swansea fans aren't going crazy is because he played for them.
For Monk read McInnes?
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I have a bit more faith in the appointment than i did , now we have Burton on board i think we have a chance of someone decent.
I think it will be a coach on the Hoddle mode ( i would have him) who has a little say on players.
i don't think Moyes or managers like him fit the bill.
McClaren does ?
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If it's Downing I'm Emigrating
Where's the 'like' button?
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One question - are we totally ruling out anyone without previous managerial experience....because of Steve Clarke ? One thing..... Clarke was not a total disaster. For one he got us an 8th place finish when others might have sent us plunging quickly down.
Also, if Paul Clement or Steve Round or anyone else for that matter have the qualities, then they shouldn't be ruled out just because Clarke was ultimately deemed a failure.
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There wont be an annoucment till after June 25th.
Albion want Roy Hodgson...Heard it here first! Fails to get England out the group and the Baggies will have the man they never wanted to loose!
Sorry, mate.
Look back to page 17 and you will see I beat you to it!
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All the complaining about the lack of news/gossip.
Remember in Jan, when it was a different name every day, and the whole thing seemed like a circus?
I'd rather this was done behind closed doors, professionally, with one name signed and sealed before the news is delivered - even if it it is somebody we don't want (Downing).
professionally and the circus at the albion don't go hand in hand
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I am supprised there are not more rumours at this stage
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The rumour is nobody has turned up to be interviewed yet
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If we are note careful we might beat Southampton to an appointment. Saints talking to Ronald the dutchman koeman
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One question - are we totally ruling out anyone without previous managerial experience....because of Steve Clarke ? One thing..... Clarke was not a total disaster. For one he got us an 8th place finish when others might have sent us plunging quickly down.
Also, if Paul Clement or Steve Round or anyone else for that matter have the qualities, then they shouldn't be ruled out just because Clarke was ultimately deemed a failure.
I don't know why some on here are saying that previous Premiership experience is a criteria for JP. He certainly didn't mention it in his recent public announcement:
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/peace-the-buck-stops-with-me-1569800.aspx
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I don't know why some on here are saying that previous Premiership experience is a criteria for JP. He certainly didn't mention it in his recent public announcement:
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/peace-the-buck-stops-with-me-1569800.aspx
Wasn't it mentioned in the informal chat with Lepko?
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Surely someone has spotted somone walking into a building with Albion officials in it
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Dyche to us is being mentioned down Burnley...
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The only one coming down in the betting is Tim Sherwood.he's 4/1 or 5/1 with most bookies.Bit of a twonk but I Wouln't mind him
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I don't know why some on here are saying that previous Premiership experience is a criteria for JP. He certainly didn't mention it in his recent public announcement:
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/peace-the-buck-stops-with-me-1569800.aspx
All I can track down about this is what Chris Lepkowski said in the final minute or so of the video interview here:
B'ham Mail Video (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/video-chris-lepkowski-meeting-jeremy-7128686)
CL says he thinks we're "pitching our ambitions high" and that the new head coach will definitely be "English-speaking".
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Dyche to us is being mentioned down Burnley...
and as per why would he leave us for them i hear the cry
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and as per why would he leave us for them i hear the cry
Coyle left Burnley for Bolton when they were both in the premier, not too dissimilar.
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Surely someone has spotted somone walking into a building with Albion officials in it
Saw Sammy Chung in Poundland......
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Saw Sammy Chung in Poundland......
He must be all of 85 by now
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One question - are we totally ruling out anyone without previous managerial experience....because of Steve Clarke ? One thing..... Clarke was not a total disaster. For one he got us an 8th place finish when others might have sent us plunging quickly down.
Also, if Paul Clement or Steve Round or anyone else for that matter have the qualities, then they shouldn't be ruled out just because Clarke was ultimately deemed a failure.
I wouldn't rule out anybody without prior Premier experience as a result of Steve Clarke... I'd rule them out due to a accumulation of things.
Look at our gaffers without prior experience; Megson, Mowbray, Di Matteo. All tactically and defensively naive. As soon as we had an experienced, professional coach in (Roy), we seemed a diffent team, even with the same players.
And Clarke's 8th was down to Roy's team getting us to 4th... when Clarke started to mess with things, we badly lost our way.
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My pal just messaged me saying he's seen Steve Kean just walk into the Skoda dealership he works in near Birmingham.
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My pal just messaged me saying he's seen Steve Kean just walk into the Skoda dealership he works in near Birmingham.
Isn't he mid season in the Singapore S league and has a game in two days? I doubt we'd pay compensation to a man at a club run by the Crown Prince of Brunei who's absolutely balls.
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Would have probably taken it more seriously if it wasn't a Skoda dealership ;D
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My pal just messaged me saying he's seen Steve Kean just walk into the Skoda dealership he works in near Birmingham.
What's that got to do with this thread?
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Would have probably taken it more seriously if it wasn't a Skoda dealership ;D
He's choosing his new company car. After all JP does operate the purse strings! ;D
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Would have probably taken it more seriously if it wasn't a Skoda dealership ;D
Thats funny, he certainly aint on Rooneys salary is he.Oh hang on aint Skoda part of BMW now
Seriously.if he got the job i would be asking for my season ticket money back. Chilax and grow a sense of humour i hear you cry
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One question - are we totally ruling out anyone without previous managerial experience....because of Steve Clarke ? One thing..... Clarke was not a total disaster. For one he got us an 8th place finish when others might have sent us plunging quickly down.
Also, if Paul Clement or Steve Round or anyone else for that matter have the qualities, then they shouldn't be ruled out just because Clarke was ultimately deemed a failure.
Let's be honest, Lukaku got us to 8th...
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Let's be honest, Lukaku got us to 8th...
I still find that amazing considering he was a bit part player. Golden boot winner for me
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Let's be honest, Lukaku got us to 8th...
He was in an out of the side during the first 3 months which was our best spell. We seemed to fall away once Odemwingie lost the plot.
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Let's be honest, Lukaku got us to 8th...
I bet if you took Lukaku's goals out the points tally wouldn't drastically change. We picked up majority of our points at the beginning with him coming on in the second half. Obviously we missed his presence and goals but loosing Odemwingie was just as bigger blow IMO.
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Either we are really canny bastards or a bunch of procrastinating turds.......same result, no one has a flying feck what is going on.
More frustrating then a eunuch in a whorehouse......as someone quite beautifully posted, no coach, no tops, no team......10 days ago i was excited, now Im deflated...........................anyone who doesn't understand , welcome to West Bromwich Albion...this is our life, its our way....love it or FODTV
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Either we are really canny bastards or a bunch of procrastinating turds.......same result, no one has a flying feck what is going on.
More frustrating then a eunuch in a whorehouse......as someone quite beautifully posted, no coach, no tops, no team......10 days ago i was excited, now Im deflated...........................anyone who doesn't understand , welcome to West Bromwich Albion...this is our life, its our way....love it or FODTV
It IS our way up to a point.
There had better be a decent outcome in the next week or so, or there will be a lot of frustrated supporters......
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No socks either.
Its desperate.
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My pal just messaged me saying he's seen Steve Kean just walk into the Skoda dealership he works in near Birmingham.
Wow maybe just maybe now I may be wrong but hear me out. He may of just wanted to buy a Skoda :D
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I bet if you took Lukaku's goals out the points tally wouldn't drastically change. We picked up majority of our points at the beginning with him coming on in the second half. Obviously we missed his presence and goals but loosing Odemwingie was just as bigger blow IMO.
Bit off topic but Lukaku's goals earned up about 15 points or so, as did Berahino's this season. Basically Lukaku scored some key goals, but also lots of irrelevant ones, albeit he was still missed.
Regarding Odemwingie I think when he cares he's great, but as he showed at Cardiff he can be poor otherwise, not much we could have done really. I think the reason our previous season ended poorly was because Clarke's tactics dried up and not much else, which is why it showed this season.
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Either we are really canny bastards or a bunch of procrastinating turds.......same result, no one has a flying feck what is going on.
More frustrating then a eunuch in a whorehouse......as someone quite beautifully posted, no coach, no tops, no team......10 days ago i was excited, now Im deflated...........................anyone who doesn't understand , welcome to West Bromwich Albion...this is our life, its our way....love it or FODTV
As long as they make a good appointment, I could not give a damn about the lack of leaks.
Just think, next week, new coach, fixtures out, everything could be rosy again! ;D
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I have one contact at the club. One. They are usually tight lipped on all manner of things, but I think they are annoyed with my constant questioning. I don't normally repeat what they tell me either, but as what he's told me doesn't actually reveal too much, here you go:
All they would tell me is that there is 'one left-field candidate who stands a good chance of getting the job'.
That's it. Read in to it what you will.
I don't think he means Dennis Skinner either. (Political-based joke for you there. I'll get my coat.)
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I have one contact at the club. One. They are usually tight lipped on all manner of things, but I think they are annoyed with my constant questioning. I don't normally repeat what they tell me either, but as what he's told me doesn't actually reveal too much, here you go:
All they would tell me is that there is 'one left-field candidate who stands a good chance of getting the job'.
That's it. Read in to it what you will.
I don't think he means Dennis Skinner either. (Political-based joke for you there. I'll get my coat.)
neil lennon
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I have one contact at the club. One. They are usually tight lipped on all manner of things, but I think they are annoyed with my constant questioning. I don't normally repeat what they tell me either, but as what he's told me doesn't actually reveal too much, here you go:
All they would tell me is that there is 'one left-field candidate who stands a good chance of getting the job'.
That's it. Read in to it what you will.
I don't think he means Dennis Skinner either. (Political-based joke for you there. I'll get my coat.)
Well being as there's no rumours to enjoy I gues the next best thing is speculating on here (and not on twitter, full of a lot of morons!)
Left field - could Sherwood be considered left field? Advocaat, Hoddle, Ranieri?
It depends what left field means to these people too - left field to Albion or left field in general!?
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or right wing
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Well being as there's no rumours to enjoy I gues the next best thing is speculating on here (and not on twitter, full of a lot of morons!)
Left field - could Sherwood be considered left field? Advocaat, Hoddle, Ranieri?
It depends what left field means to these people too - left field to Albion or left field in general!?
do we even have a left field? if there is there cant be much more left..
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I have one contact at the club. One. They are usually tight lipped on all manner of things, but I think they are annoyed with my constant questioning. I don't normally repeat what they tell me either, but as what he's told me doesn't actually reveal too much, here you go:
All they would tell me is that there is 'one left-field candidate who stands a good chance of getting the job'.
That's it. Read in to it what you will.
I don't think he means Dennis Skinner either. (Political-based joke for you there. I'll get my coat.)
So left field and …..
CL says he thinks we're "pitching our ambitions high" and that the new head coach will definitely be "English-speaking".
Using the above criteria:
Rene Meaulensteen
Uwe Rosler
Frank Rijkaard
Claudio Ranieri
Its doing my head in!
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We need a Head coach not an Left fielder!!! :P
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'one left-field candidate who stands a good chance of getting the job'.
Why does 'left-field' automatically make me think of Downing?
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Was Downing a left winger
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Why does 'left-field' automatically make me think of Downing?
No mate you're confusing left field with middle of the road; hum drum, bland.
Hang on, wasn't Pepe Mel a bit left field? Is he coming back??? ;)
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All they would tell me is that there is 'one left-field candidate who stands a good chance of getting the job'.
Ralf Rangnick! :D
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No mate you're confusing left field with middle of the road; hum drum, bland.
Hang on, wasn't Pepe Mel a bit left field? Is he coming back??? ;)
What i would give, no more sleepless nights
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Sherwood now bookies favourite. Just hope it's them adding 2 and 2 and getting 7
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Sherwood now bookies favourite. Just hope it's them adding 2 and 2 and getting 7
as opposed to the other 20-odd managers the bookies have touted as odds on?
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I keep looking at Oddschecker if only cause it's a digest of the main bookies odds. They still have Paul Clement at fave. I thought he said he was happy in Madrid in the last round of interviews?
Why do I bother with the bookies? It's like asking Nick Clegg for advice on how to run a happy organisation.
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Sherwood now bookies favourite. Just hope it's them adding 2 and 2 and getting 7
I would be ecstatic with Sherwood.Spurs played some brilliant football under him.Yes he has got to calm down abit whilst being interviewed but what a passionate fella that will rub off on everbody
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Can someone tell me what "left field" means please? :D
Not what you would expect. Bit of a different appointment
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Not what you would expect. Bit of a different appointment
...Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Is it going to be Michael Palin?
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tim Sherwood and big les as number2 , could live with that . cant see it somehow :(
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I don't like the sound of this, is left field ever used in a complimentary way? (e.g Moyes is "left field" because he is a very optimistic target?)
Just what I thought. There again it is only what one person has said and let's face it we are biting at any scrap we are offered at the moment.
Moyes does sound unlikely on this basis though.
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...Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Is it going to be Michael Palin?
He's been around....
I guess Mites could be considered left field purely because its not what people would've expected
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So left field and …..
CL says he thinks we're "pitching our ambitions high" and that the new head coach will definitely be "English-speaking".
Using the above criteria:
Rene Meaulensteen
Uwe Rosler
Frank Rijkaard
Claudio Ranieri
Its doing my head in!
So none of the english speakers are actually .......
English
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Either Moyes or Sherwood should do fine, just hope they are allowed to bring in their back room staff
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tim Sherwood and big les as number2 , could live with that . cant see it somehow :(
To be honest having been firmly against Sherwood I would now take him just to end this intolerable state of limbo we are in. Out of the transfer market, no strategy, players at risk of being picked off...
I think Burton will oversee the whole operation and we will at least move on.
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Can someone tell me what "left field" means please? :D
Out of left field
unexpectedly, suddenly and surprisingly
"He just came up with it out of left field"
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On the plus side, as Hoddle is in the U.S. following England for ITV, he wont be anywhere near Smethwick anytime soon
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On the plus side, as Hoddle is in the U.S. following England for ITV, he wont be anywhere near Smethwick anytime soon
Haha! I text my mate something similar. Hopefully he's there for an extended holiday.
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Moyes also in Miami just told Radio 5 he is preparing for his next challenge
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Moyes also in Miami just told Radio 5 he is preparing for his next challenge
Catching the next flight back to us then.
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As ever the odds only reflect where the weight of money in the market and the implied probability of a 4/1 price (Paul Clement) is 20% i.e. 80% of the time it won't happen. There is no real news and as such there is no real direction in the betting market.
The 4 man short list that was mentioned in the B'ham Mail of Hoddle (14/1) McInnes (10/1) Round (33/1) and Zola (28/1) all of whom are still at seriously long odds if anyone really knew they were 4 out of even 7 it would be rational to pile on until the odds were no more than 8/1.
The betting market tells us what we know already that is that nobody has a clue.
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Here's the full tweet
@BBCSport: David Moyes to @Iandennisbbc @bbc5live in Miami: "I'm getting ready for my next challenge & looking forward to that" http://t.co/EdbeYfAs3V
Could just mean in general but doesn't sound like the man who was considering a break at the weekend. Of course, it is just a small tweet so it's a really small snippet of any conversation
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Here's the full tweet
@BBCSport: David Moyes to @Iandennisbbc @bbc5live in Miami: "I'm getting ready for my next challenge & looking forward to that"
The way it's worded certainly makes it sound like he knows what it is, but maybe I'm over analysing?!
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For me Moyes is the stand out candidate by far of those currently out of work. I'm not so sure we could convince him to come here though, even after his reputation has been damaged by his spell at United I feel he will see us as being below him.
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For me Moyes is the stand out candidate by far of those currently out of work. I'm not so sure we could convince him to come here though, even after his reputation has been damaged by his spell at United I feel he will see us as being below him.
one thing is for sure, this time last year he wouldn't be linked with us would he
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The way it's worded certainly makes it sound like he knows what it is, but maybe I'm over analysing?!
It DOES sound that way to me too. But then again I think I'm at that 'desperate' stage.
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one thing is for sure, this time last year he wouldn't be linked with us would he
Don't get me wrong I thought exactly the same about Hodgson, I still can't believe we managed to get him in when we did and this is a similar situation to then so you never know.
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Another word on Moyes.
He's fantastic IMO but as I've said, we ARE as good as Everton. Take the table success out of the equation and look at us as a club. We ARE that kind of club.
More to the point take Man Utd out of the equation and Moyes is our kind of man, grounded, realistic, determined. He's used to - in the past - a more modest spend, and making the most of the resources at his disposal.
Anyone with Moyes' career experience will want to do what he has done in the past in spades. If JP has done a good sell on this I can see a good fit.
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the fact that he's in the States suggest to me he's not in for an interview any time soon.
By saying he's getting ready for his next challenge could mean he's doing nothing for 12 months or so.
I would say him and Hoddle are not contenders
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Moyes might just have a very big garden
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the fact that he's in the States suggest to me he's not in for an interview any time soon.
By saying he's getting ready for his next challenge could mean he's doing nothing for 12 months or so.
I would say him and Hoddle are not contenders
Whos to say hes not been interviewed and offered the job already and he just chilling before he starts his new role
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Whos to say hes not been interviewed and offered the job already and he just chilling before he starts his new role
If so no need to interview another seven candidates this week is there?
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the fact that he's in the States suggest to me he's not in for an interview any time soon.
By saying he's getting ready for his next challenge could mean he's doing nothing for 12 months or so.
I would say him and Hoddle are not contenders
Didn't they do interviews by Skype last time?
When Roy got the job did we do other interviews or was he the only one approached? If they had approached Moyes and he had shown any interest would they be bothering with these other interviews?
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the fact that he's in the States suggest to me he's not in for an interview any time soon.
By saying he's getting ready for his next challenge could mean he's doing nothing for 12 months or so.
I would say him and Hoddle are not contenders
Maybe we've already made our minds up and we're just waiting for him to finish in the U.S. to make his appointment official. Hopefully (extremely hopefully) we're just crossing the i's and dotting those t's
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You mean we may have a plan b after all of course we'll be interviewing others in case
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So left field and …..
CL says he thinks we're "pitching our ambitions high" and that the new head coach will definitely be "English-speaking".
Using the above criteria:
Rene Meaulensteen
Uwe Rosler
Frank Rijkaard
Claudio Ranieri
Its doing my head in!
'Pitching our ambitions high' would suggest that the dross linked to us with the bookmakers can be discounted hopefully.
As for 'English speaking' it could be interpreted as a foreigner or a wider scope to include British contenders for the job.
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It DOES sound that way to me too. But then again I think I'm at that 'desperate' stage.
Don't worry there's 'denial' 'bargaining' and 'refusal' (downing) all to come!
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Whos to say hes not been interviewed and offered the job already and he just chilling before he starts his new role
EXACTLY what went through my head.
signed
Hopeful of Lancashire.
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Don't worry there's 'denial' 'bargaining' and 'refusal' (downing) all to come!
Funny!!! But bleak. Do I laugh or cry? :-\
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Following up on my 'left-field' comment - whilst I've always thought they'll hand it to Downing, for me left-field would suggest lower league, up and coming, not necessarily foreign. All interpretation though.
Hope I'm wrong, mind. Would love Moyes. Or Jol. Or anybody with a decent amount of managerial experience in the Prem.
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JP probably knew at least three weeks before releasing Mel who he wanted to take over and has probably sounded him out. Even allowing for the fact that his first choice turned him down, I cannot believe that seven weeks later he has not made an appointment already - but not announced it. That being the case it's my guess that our next manager is currently working in the media in Miami. A stupid assumption maybe, but everyone else is guessing too. >:(
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JP probably knew at least three weeks before releasing Mel who he wanted to take over and has probably sounded him out. Even allowing for the fact that his first choice turned him down, I cannot believe that seven weeks later he has not made an appointment already - but not announced it. That being the case it's my guess that our next manager is currently working in the media in Miami. A stupid assumption maybe, but everyone else is guessing too. >:(
Time for JP then to play the trump card and shock the media.... and also shock the supporter's club chairman:
'The lack of a manager and with only Craig Gardner signed has the club fighting not to become a ‘laughing stock’, says official fans’ Chairman John Homer.
“Every day we appear to be reading about people who are not in the running. It is frustrating and we will have to be careful that we don’t become a laughing stock in terms of our inactivity.
“There seems to be a lack of urgency, I suppose,” the Supporters Club Chairman said.'
Do you know what - I need to verify the dates - but my NAN was secretary of the supporter's club; I think some time in the fifties: anyway, no WAY would she have spouted this negativity.
I hope JP has the last laugh on the laughing stock notion....
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I like John Homer he's a good bloke that loves the club but his comments are going a little far with the laughing stock comments in my opinion. The simple fact is none of us have a clue what is happening behind the scenes, it is frustrating seeing the local press continually rule people out but give us absolutely no indication as to who might be in with a chance of the job. With that said the last few appointments have seemingly come out of nowhere.
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I like John Homer he's a good bloke that loves the club but his comments are going a little far with the laughing stock comments in my opinion. The simple fact is none of us have a clue what is happening behind the scenes, it is frustrating seeing the local press continually rule people out but give us absolutely no indication as to who might be in with a chance of the job. With that said the last few appointments have seemingly come out of nowhere.
I don't know John Homer so fair enough on that. I think the issue is the 'waiting with no news', cabin fever for us all.
I hope I am right but it feels a bit more canny this time, like JP has something up his sleeve.
Let's hope.
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Just read an article on the mail online website about Moyes in Miami. When the national media mention Moyes and jobs it's always Southampton or Celtic.
It would be one hell of a coup to get him, the pictures of him back his claim of being refreshed. Fingers crossed it's us, however roll on the negative comments from the nationals if it is. They don't like missing a story.
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JP probably knew at least three weeks before releasing Mel who he wanted to take over and has probably sounded him out. Even allowing for the fact that his first choice turned him down, I cannot believe that seven weeks later he has not made an appointment already - but not announced it. That being the case it's my guess that our next manager is currently working in the media in Miami. A stupid assumption maybe, but everyone else is guessing too. >:(
Checks the odds on Stanley Collymore. :-X
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Maybe its me but if we are waiting to appoint someone who is in the USA or away for the world cup doesn't that make things worse?
I'm assuming a new coach would want a say on new signings.
We need to buy players mold a team and hold on to the remnants of the small squad we have left. Waiting another few weeks and we will really be buggered.
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Don't worry there's 'denial' 'bargaining' and 'refusal' (downing) all to come!
JP said he wanted somebody with Premiership experience, so I think that would rule out Downing.
Moyes and Twaddle are in the States so I think that rules them out of the selection process.
The likes of Dyche, Malki, Mcinnis,Laudrup, Lennon, Hughton, already ruled out.
I have it down to three (in my head)
Jol - Sherwood - Rosler.
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Poor article from the Mail again.
Headline states 'Tim Sherwood emerges as strong contender for Albion job'. Then having read the article there is absolutely no substance to it.
I thought newspapers were supposed to report news? Anyone could have wrote that article....
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like I said previously, local press are really poor with this. Stop telling us who is ruled out, and stop reporting on odds and do you jobs of being a journo and FIND OUT who is in the frame.
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Just a thought, but do they have telephones in America? ???
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JP said he wanted somebody with Premiership experience, so I think that would rule out Downing.
Moyes and Twaddle are in the States so I think that rules them out of the selection process.
The likes of Dyche, Malki, Mcinnis,Laudrup, Lennon, Hughton, already ruled out.
I have it down to three (in my head)
Jol - Sherwood - Rosler.
When has Rosler managed in the prem? Cross him off
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Just a thought, but do they have telephones in America? ???
They might even have Skype too! That would make interviews very easy. It is 2014 and you really don't need to be in the same room as people. I work freelance for a company in London remotely and we use Skype for meetings, so to rule people out because they aren't in England would be naive!
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JP said he wanted somebody with Premiership experience
People keep stating that, but no-one seems to be able to come up with a quote or report which says as much.
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Reading in a financial mess?Adkins on his way maybe
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They used skype from their london offices last time , it was reported.I think Raneiri was interviewed this way , so probably mel, flores, schaarf etc had initial interviews th7s way.
Then if we progress we just fly them to london , taxi, wham bam thank you mam.
This is where our local journos are having problems finding out.
Still some of the reporting is total cobblers just going on oddschecker and seeing who,s getting backed and writing a peice about it is poor.
A good local journo should have contacts inside the club.After all we know who is in the running for villa, s number2.
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Whilst the fact that someone is currently in the States does not preclude them from taking part in the selection process and ultimately they are only a 9 hour flight away I suspect that World Cup media commitments in the case of Hoddle are an added complication. It doesn't rule him out but I think it just makes it a little bit less likely.
In defence of the journalists trying to cover the story it is a very tight circle of people who know what is happening and given that the interviews and discussions will held well away from club premises unless a candidate or his agent spills the beans then there is very little information to report on.
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People keep stating that, but no-one seems to be able to come up with a quote or report which says as much.
It does say it in this report
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-derek-mcinnes-not-7185199
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It's a painful wait for us all but we are nowhere near the meltdown some would suggest if we still haven't got a manager by next week. Ok it's not an ideal situation but we still have scouts and Burton working on players which only need a green light from the incoming manager when he does get the nod.
As long as it's the right man for the job that is all I am asking for and I don't mind waiting for that.
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About Moyes, I think he is taking up an offer on his return.
In all his time at Preston and Everton and then Man Utd, he hasn't budged from living in Preston. He even still goes to the same little barber's shop (might explain something there).
I'm certainly NOT saying he wouldn't move around the world for the right job, but I genuinely think there is a factor in it that he would PREFER not to shift as far away as Southampton or Celtic while he rebuilds his - unfairly damaged in my opinion - reputation. Of the two I'd say Celtic far more likely but I stand by my thoughts here.
Am I deluding myself??
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It's a painful wait for us all but we are nowhere near the meltdown some would suggest if we still haven't got a manager by next week. Ok it's not an ideal situation but we still have scouts and Burton working on players which only need a green light from the incoming manager when he does get the nod.
As long as it's the right man for the job that is all I am asking for and I don't mind waiting for that.
Agree with that, and as for the club keeping things close to their chests, it us far better that way than as has happened in the past when the list of managers approached is public knowledge and whoever finally gets the job ends up looking like third, fourth or fifth choice.
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In truth the players we have scouted and are available within our budget will be the same regardless of who we appoint as Head Coach, they may have a preferences and slightly different priorities but it won't be from a different pool of players. A week here or there at this stage does not make the slightest jot of difference.
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Moyes has already been interviewed. Was one of the first to be, earlier this week. Not sure how it went but judging on those comments he said then maybe after his little break he will be ours.
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Moyes has already been interviewed. Was one of the first to be, earlier this week. Not sure how it went but judging on those comments he said then maybe after his little break he will be ours.
How do you know he was interviewed
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Moyes has already been interviewed. Was one of the first to be, earlier this week. Not sure how it went but judging on those comments he said then maybe after his little break he will be ours.
You also stated ;
Moyes due for talks over next few days, happy with wages and length of contract. He wants to know about our plan and if he will be able to have a say in the signings we will be making to shape the squad. Also he will be bringing in two coaches.
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You also stated ;
Moyes due for talks over next few days, happy with wages and length of contract. He wants to know about our plan and if he will be able to have a say in the signings we will be making to shape the squad. Also he will be bringing in two coaches.
Yes?
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Yes?
I think they want to know how reliable your info is mate and where it has come from..... give us some music for our ears....
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I can also confirm Moyes will be having discussions with us and is fine with his own personal package being offered, don't ask me who i got it from because i cant say, a source very close.
Still a long way off but encouraging non the less
Like i said on the 28th.Moyes has had talks.The job is his if he wants it.We should know by the weekend
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Like i said on the 28th.Moyes has had talks.The job is his if he wants it.We should know by the weekend
if this is true i think 95% of us would be happy
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if this is true i think 95% of us would be happy
And the other 5% will never be happy
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Like i said on the 28th.Moyes has had talks.The job is his if he wants it.We should know by the weekend
Confer between yourselves, find out if your sources are the same, if not, we are looking good.
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Confer between yourselves, find out if your sources are the same, if not, we are looking good.
Not casting aspersions on anyone's sources, but blimey, this would be a major surprise if it turned out true.
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Not casting aspersions on anyone's sources, but blimey, this would be a major surprise if it turned out true.
you mean dispersions mate, lol.
IF true, and its a BIG IF ! .......I would be happy.
Enough said
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you mean dispersions mate, lol.
IF true, and its a BIG IF ! .......I would be happy.
Enough said
Happy enough to get you through the scooter rides down?
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I thought baggie96 looked like a bit of a wind up in the beginning. claiming ITK with very little posts. have to say, his comments have had accuracy and other ITK posters back him up.
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Please be true!
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Happy enough to get you through the scooter rides down?
The rides DOWN are not the issue, its the 300 miles ride back up stewing over yet another sh\** performance that were the issue ;D
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Happy enough to get you through the scooter rides down?
I will go pick him up
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No ITK knowledge at all but I've said all along I really think it will be Moyes. All the comments from both Moyes & the club point this way in my opinion.
Another thing is the amount of people who have been linked with the job by the media (15 people, 20 people?) all we ever hear is people being ruled out, but nobody been confirmed as in the running. If 5 people were being formally interviewed for the role then at least 2/3 of them would of got out in to the press. Instead it's just silence from the club and potential candidates and the media don't have a clue.
Another thing is on the face of it this is an appointment which needs to be made urgently but it seems as if absolutely no progress being made at all. Again to me this suggests we have a number 1 target in mind and he is open to the idea at the very least. If that's the case I think we have spoken to Moyes a week or 2 ago and everything has been put in place. We have waited until Burton is in his role and Moyes goes off for a nice 2 weeks break to the States before signing the contract on his return (wouldn't look great if Moyes took the job and then p*ssed off to the States for 2 weeks)
Throw in Peace being less active last season before announcing his 'return' a couple of weeks back (roughly around the time we would of been speaking with Moyes?) and speaking quite bullishly about the future suggests he knows whose co,ming in and the fans will be happy with it.
A lot of assumption/guess work there admittedly but I really do think it will be Moyes
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Now may be the chance to run to the bookies if previous comments on this forum are to go by.
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Don't want to make any "If it's moyes I will run down my street naked" those type of comments usually bite me on the backside :P
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I've had a gut feeling from the off that it will be Moyes. If the posters ITK are ITK then my gut will be right.
I've said before now Terry Burton is on board things will start happening, also I can see a press conference unveiling new head coach, kit and sponsor to maximise publicity for our sponsor and also it will be good publicity for the club to right all the wrongs of last season.
I feel the four week wait then will be well worth it.
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I would be very happy if Moyes gets the job.
Until such time as anything is signed, sealed, delivered and he is walked out and pictured with that Baggies scarf above his head I will reserve any happiness or judgement till that time
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So an "in the know" poster says it's going to be Moyes and this forum goes into meltdown. God we need some concrete news soon, this is getting tedious.
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I would be very happy if Moyes gets the job.
Until such time as anything is signed, sealed, delivered and he is walked out and pictured with that Baggies scarf above his head I will reserve any happiness or judgement till that time
With you there Tom. Almost fifty years supporting Albion has taught me to never celebrate until things are signed and sealed.
For those of a younger vintage, the recent games against Cardiff and Tottenham should tell you all you need to know about that.
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So an "in the know" poster says it's going to be Moyes and this forum goes into meltdown. God we need some concrete news soon, this is getting tedious.
Couple of different posters.
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So an "in the know" poster says it's going to be Moyes and this forum goes into meltdown. God we need some concrete news soon, this is getting tedious.
Meltdown? This is hardly a meltdown! Try twitter for that.
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With you there Tom. Almost fifty years supporting Albion has taught me to never celebrate until things are signed and sealed.
For those of a younger vintage, the recent games against Cardiff and Tottenham should tell you all you need to know about that.
I agree, I was gutted when the deal for Clint Marcelle didn't go through. ;D
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So an "in the know" poster says it's going to be Moyes and this forum goes into meltdown. God we need some concrete news soon, this is getting tedious.
whos said its going to be Moyes, its only been said by some that hes been interviewed and said its his decision we await.If i was Moyes i would stay well clear.
Its nearly as tedious as the Billy Jones thread :)
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If these rumours about Moyes turn out to be true and is the one wanted already then it would seem that other short-listed candidates are just making up the numbers, not something I would be happy with.
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I agree, I was gutted when the deal for Clint Marcelle didn't go through. ;D
I was too.....I really rated him at the time.
I remember him playing for Barnsley against us and was upfront with Andy Liddle...tore us apart Marcelle did that day!!
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If these rumours about Moyes turn out to be true and is the one wanted already then it would seem that other short-listed candidates are just making up the numbers, not something I would be happy with.
My point earlier about the club keeping things close to its chest.
If there is one massively favoured candidate it really devalues the others on the short list and makes them look second rate immediately.
For my money that's why Albion say nothing about who they want, who us being interviewed etc and they are right to do it that way.
Everything else us just speculation.
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If Moyes has indeed been interviewed and fancies the job, is happy with the wages and contract length and the only conditions are that he brings in coaches and has a say on wages then I would hope we are flexible enough to trust in him. Top manager despite what happened at Man Utd.
I would be chuffed to bits with this appointment. He is exactly what we need. It would go a long way to restoring my faith in the club.
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If Moyes has indeed been interviewed and fancies the job, is happy with the wages and contract length and the only conditions are that he brings in coaches and has a say on wages then I would hope we are flexible enough to trust in him. Top manager despite what happened at Man Utd.
I would be chuffed to bits with this appointment. He is exactly what we need. It would go a long way to restoring my faith in the club.
Couldn't agree more. We should be tearing up trees to make this happen. I would be delighted. Very experienced and would certainly attract new players.
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Interesting thought. He spent four or five years at Preston and then eleven at Everton (let's ignore Man U shall we).
If we DID land Moyes, given that we have turned over managers at a rate of knots in recent years, how long would we keep him for??
Be nice to have consistency wouldn't it. Maybe not for as long as Fred Everiss, but still...
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If Moyes really was close to the job, his agents would almost certainly have leaked it to the press in search of a better deal/trying to attract other attention, just like every other high manager we've been near to in the past few years - Ranieri, Rangnick, Schaaf, Mel (to an extent). It certainly isn't the club leaking that information.
I also find it odd his odds would be so high if he's actually anywhere near close to taking the job, and its been leaked out to other people. Reminds me of when we got Clarke some people were convinced we were getting AVB for a while.
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Lets hope whoever gets the gig he can have a word with George Thorne, they fed up with the saga in Derby, oh what a shame.Saga hes our players.If you want to create a saga then thats up to you Derby
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If Moyes really was close to the job, his agents would almost certainly have leaked it to the press in search of a better deal/trying to attract other attention, just like every other high manager we've been near to in the past few years - Ranieri, Rangnick, Schaaf, Mel (to an extent). It certainly isn't the club leaking that information.
I also find it odd his odds would be so high if he's actually anywhere near close to taking the job, and its been leaked out to other people.
Maybe Moyes feels more comfortable in a club of our setting and the Man Utd debacle put him off the scene forever?
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If Moyes really was close to the job, his agents would almost certainly have leaked it to the press in search of a better deal/trying to attract other attention, just like every other high manager we've been near to in the past few years - Ranieri, Rangnick, Schaaf, Mel (to an extent). It certainly isn't the club leaking that information.
I also find it odd his odds would be so high if he's actually anywhere near close to taking the job, and its been leaked out to other people. Reminds me of when we got Clarke some people were convinced we were getting AVB for a while.
Doesn't need money, needs the right club. Why would he try and get a bidding war for his services when he needs to restore his reputation. As much of a coup as it would be, he shouldn't be put on a pedestal before approaching him. We offer him a wage and contract length that he would find attractive, he takes it or leaves it.
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Alot of talk on Twitter of Sherwood having more talks today with a view if getting him appointed early next week. I hope so he will give the egos in the dressing room a much needed kick up the backside.
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Also posts on facebook suggesting its Sherwood done and dusted ??
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Also posts on facebook suggesting its Sherwood done and dusted ??
Seen that too!. But will wait till its official.
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Right then, since we've been gone:
It's emerged that Tim Sherwood has held talks with WBA. That was confirmed by local media.
Apparently due for another interview.
Be interesting to see where that one leads.
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I think the guy who posts SONS OF ALBION on facebook is Baggie79 on here, but don't quote me on that and S O A seem to be saying he's our man ! However, I could be talking out of my a***, it wouldn't be the first time or the last hee hee
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I think the guy who posts SONS OF ALBION on facebook is Baggie79 on here, but don't quote me on that and S O A seem to be saying he's our man ! However, I could be talking out of my a***, it wouldn't be the first time or the last hee hee
I think its a member on here but not baggie79. I think its someone who only comes on from time to time
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I think the guy who posts SONS OF ALBION on facebook is Baggie79 on here, but don't quote me on that and S O A seem to be saying he's our man ! However, I could be talking out of my a***, it wouldn't be the first time or the last hee hee
It's not him :)
On a sidenote, I'm really unsure about Tim Sherwood. Parts of me warm too him and others just scream I wouldn't go near him. I don't think I could put up with this smug arrogance that seems to come from him.
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Ah it's nice to have the forum back :-D ! Lots and lots on twitter saying Sherwood practically has it. Problem is lots of these rumours can be started by anybody saying they saw him, spoke to him and then it snowballs from there really.
It's quite amusing all these posts people are sarcastically posting on twitter about seeing him!
Just waiting for the "wide of the mark" Lepkowski post now!
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I don't think I could put up with this smug, arrogance that seems to come from him.
Me neither. Unless we're winning games of course.
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It's not him :)
On a sidenote, I'm really unsure about Tim Sherwood. Parts of me warm too him and others just scream I wouldn't go near him. I don't think I could put up with this smug, arrogance that seems to come from him.
I know what you mean mate, the part of me that's wants to grab the lazy players and give them a good shoeing really like Tim Sherwood, but did Fat Ron ever have to scream and shout at the 79 team ?? probably not.
However this bunch do need some home truths reading out to them don't they !!!
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Just waiting for the "wide of the mark" Lepkowski post now!
You'll be waiting a while then, as I think he's on holiday for another week!
Incidentally, it was Sons of Albion who posted incorrectly recently that Baggie Bird was no more.
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It was but within a few minutes they posted again saying it WASNT the end of Baggie bird
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I know what you mean mate, the part of me that's wants to grab the lazy players and give them a good shoeing really like Tim Sherwood, but did Fat Ron ever have to scream and shout at the 79 team ?? probably not.
However this bunch do need some home truths reading out to them don't they !!!
That's exactly how I feel. I feel like I want Sherwood because he's going to be somebody that will stand no rubbish and not allow the players to dictate terms. He'll shake up the air of comfortablity surrounding the club. The flip side to that is that his appointment will be risky - probably more risky than the appointment of Steve Clarke after Roy Hodgson left. This is a big job and should not be handed to a novice in my opinion.
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It was but within a few minutes they posted again saying it WASNT the end of Baggie bird
I didn't spot that, but you're right. However, I remain sceptical, given that he referred to Sherwood as "Sharewood"! :D
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http://dispatchesfromafootballsofa.com/2014/02/03/i-dont-believe-in-sherwood-i-just-believe-in-spurs/
This is a really good, and also very alarming read if we were to get Sherwood. I'm still open to him. That smug almost cocky attitude is often related to winners unfortunately and he might be somebody who's much better when he's on your side rather than against. We tend to always have affable characters as managers and maybe this brash, outspoken character is what the club needs. And the media will suddenly love is because he's the new 'arry in terms of his PR
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Anybody that shares any resemblance to Harry Redknapp should be kept well away from this football club ;D
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I didn't spot that, but you're right. However, I remain sceptical, given that he referred to Sherwood as "Sharewood"! :D
isn't that the indian spice people ???
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isn't that the indian spice people ???
Ah right, maybe he doesn't mean our new head coach then, but a club takeover! ;) ;D
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Anybody that shares any resemblance to Harry Redknapp should be kept well away from this football club ;D
Only in the way that he's a cockney and the media can't get enough of him! Could this one go sour in January when we only "top up" which translates as keeping the manager happy with a crappy loan signing. I'm torn on Sherwood. As in I'd really like him as head coach but there's alarm bells ringing in my mind!
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Sherwood is the wrong man at the wrong time.
We can't afford to be taking risks on unknowns at this stage. This summer is huge for us.
As I've said before you don't become a bad coach over night and that's why I'd like to see Jol given a shot.
However, I suspect Sherwood will be our man sadly.
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I didn't spot that, but you're right. However, I remain sceptical, given that he referred to Sherwood as "Sharewood"! :D
He also acknowledged that more or less immediately and said it was down to auto correct.
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Sherwood would be an interesting but risky appointment. Plenty of other names mentioned would be dull but risky. Jol would on balance be the most sensible appointment....though I still find myself hoping for Sherwood as I think he'd be prepared to leave out established names who are not pulling their weight and give a young player or two a chance.
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Sherwood gets my thumbs up.Cant be doing with the failures mentioned ie Hughton, Malky etc.They have had their chance in the top flight and need to start again lower down to build their stock again,Sherwood deserves a go now.He certainly wont be boring
OK if it goes belly up then so be it but this appointment would excite me
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So who panicked not being able to get on this site :) where did you go for 24 hours. Anyway welcome back
Appointing Tim Sherwood would be ok with me and go someway towards eliminating the disappointment of Pepe Mel leaving
Any yellow bar on Sky yet or white smoke.I await with interest
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Any appointment runs the risk of going belly up. There's no guarantees with any of our options. We've done tried and tested managers, up and coming ones, it doesn't make a difference which all points to PLAYERS being the problem. Only one guy who can sort that lot out, and that's Sherwood. imo ::)
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Sherwood gets my thumbs up.Cant be doing with the failures mentioned ie Hughton, Malky etc.They have had their chance in the top flight and need to start again lower down to build their stock again,Sherwood deserves a go now.He certainly wont be boring
OK if it goes belly up then so be it but this appointment would excite me
Me too, any of the known suspects are risky, but I would rather take a chance with a fresh, positive candidate who expects his players to WANT to play for their employers, than employ most of the other names mentioned. Then again I will be there whoever is manager, and I can understand why some supporters will vote with their feet depending on who is selected.
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When Pepe was here and Sherwood was first mentioned I was anti. Warming to the idea now though.
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I think he is exactly what we need, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKb1J9xHtZQ ;D
Bet our players are on the phone to JP, begging him to give their mate Downing the job.
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Sherwood is a long way from the ideal candidate. He is inexperienced, not good tactically and as far as I'm aware he hasn't had much involvement in player recruitment - which is a particular issue for us right now.
However, he is preferable to the list of failed carp managers. He seems to want to give youth a chance (might not have any choice with our paper thin squad). Plus he'll come with some new ideas and decent contacts. And he's not downing.
Not the worst choice, but represents a risk.
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Can't wait for Sherwood; guy wears his heart on his gillet
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I think he is exactly what we need, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKb1J9xHtZQ ;D
Bet our players are on the phone to JP, begging him to give their mate Downing the job.
Too many of them too nice too eachother he says.That was his controversial interview some slate him for.
Spot on Tim if you aint happy with a performance make sure they the ones on the pitch are aware of it.
I would be amazed if JP gives him a crack at it but one i welcome. A bold and brave decision but the right one at this time if it happens
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I don't see the problem with what he has said to the media. He wears his heart on his sleeve and will give the players a kick up the backside. I don't understand who some people want. Sherwood as reported elsewhere has the record of having the highest win percentage with spurs in their premier league history. I just hope we back him in the transfer market.
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Sherwood knew early on that he wasn't going to be keeping the Spurs job beyond the season and the players certainly knew it, I firmly believe that is why he was so outspoken and so willing to lay into his squad publicly when he felt he needed to and to be fair it did seem to work. When he gets another job I can see him being a little more diplomatic publicly though.
I am concerned about his lack of experience as a number 1 just like I was when we appointed Steve Clarke and his tactics at Spurs were baffling at times so he wouldn't be my first choice, in fact he wouldn't be anywhere near my first choice but if he gets our job I will back him fully.
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His comments were fine by me.These people are highly paid for what they do.
Footballers seem very mollycoddled if they get offended by his comments.
They seem quite tame when compared to Sir Gary's !! ;D
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I think he is exactly what we need, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKb1J9xHtZQ ;D
Bet our players are on the phone to JP, begging him to give their mate Downing the job.
Exactly what we don't need if you really think the players are a problem. I'm not sure how people think such an idea could possibly work, if you upset the players at any club and lose the dressing room, you'll be sacked very swiftly.
Quite how some people seem to think that the players are all horrible people who apparently won't do anything, so getting someone who slags the team off openly in public is suddenly going to make them better!? The team needs a good coach, not someone to just go in and shout at a few people to fit some warped views of reality our fans because of the frankly bizarre obsession with Mel that's seen everyone not Mel come in for massive criticism.
Rather the truth is more likely to be the players concerns (at least to some extent) over Mel's style were legitimate, as unthinkable as this may be for some people. I'm not sure why people refuse to believe this given there were even people on here questioning how the team could possibly play basically the opposite style of football to what its used to, mid-season, with grossly unsuited players.
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Sherwood knew early on that he wasn't going to be keeping the Spurs job beyond the season and the players certainly knew it, I firmly believe that is why he was so outspoken and so willing to lay into his squad publicly when he felt he needed to and to be fair it did seem to work. When he gets another job I can see him being a little more diplomatic publicly though.
I am concerned about his lack of experience as a number 1 just like I was when we appointed Steve Clarke and his tactics at Spurs were baffling at times so he wouldn't be my first choice, in fact he wouldn't be anywhere near my first choice but if he gets our job I will back him fully.
That's a very fair assessment BH. But who is out there that could do a better job? It really is down to what players are available and their attitude. When Mel came in we did not do any better than Clarke?
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I think its a member on here but not baggie79. I think its someone who only comes on from time to time
I think you mean Albion61.
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I think its a member on here but not baggie79. I think its someone who only comes on from time to time
Definitely not me mate, just need to look at my avatar to see I'm not on Facebook!!
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Also for those who keep referring to Sherwood's win percentage, Avram Grant has a higher win percentage for chelsea (And was a penalty kick from winning the champions league) than Ancelloti, AVB, Mourinho this time round, and Benitez....
It's not a great measure of somebody when they've managed under a season. RDM for example had a good short term effect at Chelsea but quickly became exposed the next season, I doubt many would have him back here despite the fact he's actually won the champions league.
Also of thought is the fact he also lost 10 of his 28 games at Spurs, a hell of a lot for them. The fact they took a few thrashings and were basically comfortably beaten by every team better than them is perhaps of the greatest concern, and probably displays his lack of tactical ability.
If we are to go for him it'll be a huge gamble. He has some positive sides to him certainly, but there's a lot pointing that it would be a disastrous appointment. His column about his admiration for Hodgson and how he learned from him would give me some hope, but there's absolutely nothing at Spurs who really looked very disorganised, to suggest that admiration translates to anything real on the training ground.
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Well folks, for what it's worth I make a daily visit to the Oddschecker site. The betting on the Albion manager is still the old unreliable index of myth and speculation.
But the odds for relegation from the Prem makes interesting reading. We are a steady 3/1 to go down across all the major bookies apparently..............
Only shorter odds exist for Burnley, QPR and Leics.
Yes, I know, a lot can and will change over preseason, but still it gives plenty of food for thought.
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Really confused why people think he would be good, he took a good spurs team and finished 5th, hardly any premiership coaching experience and we have some big egos here, gives cringe worthy interviews and if I remember JP interview I have learnt from my mistakes and will appoint someone with premier experience ........ cheap option, happy to have no say on transfers and has no back room staff to bring with him. Last season was bad and this already getting worse!!!
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That's a very fair assessment BH. But who is out there that could do a better job? It really is down to what players are available and their attitude. When Mel came in we did not do any better than Clarke?
I have no idea, the only one I saw as a stand out candidate was Moyes but that was always going to be ambitious and I understand him not being too interested in our job right now. You never really know how someone will suit the job until they do it, every appointment is a risk. We have to trust the club to make the right appointment and to be fair to them the only one they have got badly wrong in recent years was Mel.
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Trouble is I said Moyes had not been offered the job earlier in the week and this was confimed today by the local media but I could not say who it was going to be as even the board don't know yet and I would bear that in mind with anything you hear.
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Well folks, for what it's worth I make a daily visit to the Oddschecker site. The betting on the Albion manager is still the old unreliable index of myth and speculation.
But the odds for relegation from the Prem makes interesting reading. We are a steady 3/1 to go down across all the major bookies apparently..............
Only shorter odds exist for Burnley, QPR and Leics.
Yes, I know, a lot can and will change over preseason, but still it gives plenty of food for thought.
I know it is going a little off topic but we have no manager, the squad needs a lot of work doing to it over the summer and we were very lucky to avoid relegation last season. I would have had us as odds on favourites to go down alongside Burnley purely based on the way things stand.
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I have no idea, the only one I saw as a stand out candidate was Moyes but that was always going to be ambitious and I understand him not being too interested in our job right now. You never really know how someone will suit the job until they do it, every appointment is a risk. We have to trust the club to make the right appointment and to be fair to them the only one they have got badly wrong in recent years was Mel.
Yes Moyes was my first choice. The only other one I can think of who is available is Jol if we going for experience.
As you say you never know how it will go. Last season just about everything went wrong which more or less could have gone wrong.
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His column about his admiration for Hodgson and how he learned from him would give me some hope, but there's absolutely nothing at Spurs who really looked very disorganised, to suggest that admiration translates to anything real on the training ground.
Some of their defending, in particular against us, with a far better squad than us was particularly worrying and resembled nothing of Roy Hodgson's style. To sum up, it was messy and as you said, disorganised.
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Steve mclaren ticks all the boxes.
I think I read that we made an enquiry but were told he is going nowhere.
JP should grow a pair and make an official approach and if he is worried about compo, we have thorn to barter with.
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Trouble is I said Moyes had not been offered the job earlier in the week and this was confimed today by the local media but I could not say who it was going to be as even the board don't know yet and I would bear that in mind with anything you hear.
To be honest I'd be more than happy if he's not as nailed on as it appears. And I really hope we opt for Jol
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What about Steve Bruce? Southampton sniffing, doesn't he live in Birmingham? I mean if we are considering the likes of Sherwood...
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I suspect Sherwood would bring an intial impact , not convinced to be honest and being 3 -0 down to a struggling Albion side with a team of superstars doesn't bode well for me.
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I suspect Sherwood would bring an intial impact , not convinced to be honest and being 3 -0 down to a struggling Albion side with a team of superstars doesn't bode well for me.
Spot on. Not for me thanks.
I'd still opt for Jol - also don't mind the Steve Bruce suggestion personally.
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Whoever does get the job we should all get behind him
I'd be pleased if it's Sherwood , he did well in his short time at
Spurs and wasn't afraid to give the younger players a chance.
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I'd be very pleased if Tim Sherwood was to be our new Head Coach.
I think he's exactly what we need to shake the club up and find his honesty, enthusiasm and passion for the game very refreshing.
I've got nothing against the likes of Martin Jol, but would really like to see Albion be "brave" and go for someone with a real point to prove and desire to make a name for themselves rather than a Coach who's been on the managerial merry-go-round for years and is considered a "safe bet".
Just a personal viewpoint and it certainly wouldn't be the end of my world if we end up with Jol, but would very much like to see a lively "full on" Coach like Sherwood get the job.
In common with everyone else, I've absolutely no idea if there is any truth behind the speculation linking Tim Sherwood with Albion, but would be very pleased if he ends up here.
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So it went down to the final three. Sherwood, Clement and Downing. If we look at the bookies odds they made it to the final interview stage. Listened to a Bookie on radio last week saying these markets are so volatile but they have their sources. New head coach this week and looks like Tim is on his way
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Personally, I would not be too bothered with a TS appointment! Certainly, I would not be jumping for joy and rejoicing with excitement but I'm sure most would agree that there were many other choices that would be far worse than TS! I also don't doubt for a minute that most any realistic prospect we could have a chance of hiring would have let down and disappointed a large segment of fans for a variety of on the most part legitimate reasons so odds are any appointment can be considered a "risk"! I think TS did just fine at Spurs and I say that because I feel it was going to be a real struggle for him from the start and most likely was going to be replaced at the end of the season. He was promoted from a coach to manager mid season so unless he succeeded where other more experienced managers before him failed he was going to be gone anyway. It has to be difficult to win over the locker room if the players feel you got the job on default. So with an uphill climb from day 1 winning 14 of 28 matches with a 1.65 point per game average I think he could have done a lot worse.
Right now I just want the club to get the head coach appointment over with so we can move on with putting this team together. TS is not my first choice but I would be content and without a doubt we could have done a whole lot worse!!
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One thing I will say having looked at Spurs results he did well in quite difficult circumstances.
Remember they sold an outstanding player who is looking "World Class" the players he was left with still managed 5th. He also brought the younger players through.
We lost an "outstanding" player replaced with also-rans,used 2 managers and survived by our underpants.
He could (if we get him) be very good with proper support.
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Good post SoCal. Sums up what most of us think. We have lots to do and 8 players to sign. He will have to hit the ground running but he is young and hungry, takes part in coaching the team and has something to prove. As you say let's get it over and done with
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Ok ok you are all doing a great job convincing me. Maybe I'm wrong about Sherwood...
I sulked after PM and then felt a bit peeved that the Moyes thing was little more than hope. Let's 'ave 'im and see what happens.
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What about Steve Bruce? Southampton sniffing, doesn't he live in Birmingham? I mean if we are considering the likes of Sherwood...
Seriously? Can't stand Bruce he did well last year with Hull but other then that he has done nothing to impress me he also has the personality of a damp rag.
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Right now I just want the club to get the head coach appointment over with so we can move on with putting this team together. TS is not my first choice but I would be content and without a doubt we could have done a whole lot worse!!
It's Sherwood's team that worry me ever so slightly: Les Ferdinand and Steffen Freund together with Chris Ramsey who I've never heard of. Also I think that our old friend Clive Allen is in there too. Not over excited about our prospects , I'd rather have someone with Albion in them: Jol or McInnes.
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If it's Sherwood at least it isn't a "safe pair of hands" appointment. He's either a loudmouthed idiot or the next Brendan Rodgers (his own opinion, clearly). Coming round to it a bit myself; he was a decent, tough player at the top level, so he'll get the players respect.
Always thought Les Ferdinand was a decent, level headed guy, wouldn't mind if he came too.
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It's Sherwood's team that worry me ever so slightly: Les Ferdinand and Steffen Freund together with Chris Ramsey who I've never heard of. Also I think that our old friend Clive Allen is in there too. Not over excited about our prospects , I'd rather have someone with Albion in them: Jol or McInnes.
I couldn't agree more. Anyway, I'd be extremely surprised if Sherwood came here...he's had too much of a taste of a 'big' club, he wont want to come to the Albion now.
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It's Sherwood's team that worry me ever so slightly: Les Ferdinand and Steffen Freund together with Chris Ramsey who I've never heard of. Also I think that our old friend Clive Allen is in there too. Not over excited about our prospects , I'd rather have someone with Albion in them: Jol or McInnes.
Could be wrong but I suspect it would be just Sherwood and Ferdinand we'd take on
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For what it's worth Sherwood is now slightly odds on with some bookies, according to Oddschecker. My little fiver has clearly had a major impact on the odds. >:(
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Slight tangent,
However, whoever the Head Coach, I'd really like the club to bring in Kevin Phillips as a specialist striking coach. Feel our youngsters could learn a lot from him and he's a real pro.
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Slight tangent,
However, whoever the Head Coach, I'd really like the club to bring in Kevin Phillips as a specialist striking coach. Feel our youngsters could learn a lot from him and he's a real pro.
He playing now charity match ITV3
He is good the actors etc are.....................LOL! :o
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Hopefully the next 48 hours will put us out of our misery. Interesting to see CL's article in the morning. Probably read 'Albion close to appointing new head coach' as with Mel the players don't have a clue who is coming in. Most just back from hols and waiting for the Sky sports breaking news banner. They heard about Mel around the same time as the rest of us.
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Slight tangent,
However, whoever the Head Coach, I'd really like the club to bring in Kevin Phillips as a specialist striking coach. Feel our youngsters could learn a lot from him and he's a real pro.
Nice idea. Great player, really liked him. Seems a top bloke too.
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Sherwood is a recipe for disaster on so many levels.
Just a few things that concern me:-
Publically criticising players, I know some will say some of our players need dressing down but to do this in the public arena is never advisable, he did this on several occasions in his short tenure at Spurs, drawing criticism from many within the game like Gary Lineker.
Coaching. Keep hearing people talk about what a great coach he is? Where is the evidence for this? The man hasn’t even obtained the relevant badges yet. And why hasn’t he - he retired from playing almost ten years ago.
Abrasive nature, again people seem to have warmed to him because he shows “pash’unâ€. To be honest I thought he looked like a mug last season in his post match interviews, wearing your heart on your sleeve is all very well but I like to see the man in charge calm and collected, not spouting the first emotive statement that comes into his head. I can see public bust ups between him and the board being inevitable.
Personally, I can’t see him getting the job but if he does I’ll back him and wish him all the best but I have big doubts.
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Slight tangent,
However, whoever the Head Coach, I'd really like the club to bring in Kevin Phillips as a specialist striking coach. Feel our youngsters could learn a lot from him and he's a real pro.
I thought he'd been offered a coaching role at Leicester ?
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I thought he'd been offered a coaching role at Leicester ?
Yes your right he has.
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I've got no issue with managers criticising players as a group, in fact at times it's a good thing and I think Steve Clarke should have done it more than once. I'm not keen on criticising individual players in public - the only one I heard Sherwood criticise was Sandro and that was in response to a direct question.
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Exactly what we don't need if you really think the players are a problem. I'm not sure how people think such an idea could possibly work, if you upset the players at any club and lose the dressing room, you'll be sacked very swiftly.
Quite how some people seem to think that the players are all horrible people who apparently won't do anything, so getting someone who slags the team off openly in public is suddenly going to make them better!? The team needs a good coach, not someone to just go in and shout at a few people to fit some warped views of reality our fans because of the frankly bizarre obsession with Mel that's seen everyone not Mel come in for massive criticism.
Rather the truth is more likely to be the players concerns (at least to some extent) over Mel's style were legitimate, as unthinkable as this may be for some people. I'm not sure why people refuse to believe this given there were even people on here questioning how the team could possibly play basically the opposite style of football to what its used to, mid-season, with grossly unsuited players.
Got to say, I have some sympathy with this argument..Personally, I think the appointment of Tim Sherwood would be a car crash.
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Got to say, I have some sympathy with this argument..Personally, I think the appointment of Tim Sherwood would be a car crash.
Have you any suitable alternatives in mind ?
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I see Southampton have interviewed Ronald Koeman who I think would be a first rate appointment. He has managed in the Champions League and has a solid track record managing good clubs.
I think Sherwood would be a better choice than many names mentioned. The football would be watchable and he strikes me as a good motivator. Would have been interesting to hear his interview with JP. Both men talk in a very honest , cards on the table way. Wouldn't take much for one to stand up and leave the room. The fact they still seem to be talking means it might click.
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Whose to say he'll upset the dressing room . He managed bigger ego's at Spurs and got them their biggest win percentage in the prem. think he's big enough to handle some of our prima doners
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I see Southampton have interviewed Ronald Koeman who I think would be a first rate appointment. He has managed in the Champions League and has a solid track record managing good clubs.
I think Sherwood would be a better choice than many names mentioned. The football would be watchable and he strikes me as a good motivator. Would have been interesting to hear his interview with JP. Both men talk in a very honest , cards on the table way. Wouldn't take much for one to stand up and leave the room. The fact they still seem to be talking means it might click.
Exactly, JP is not one for appointing a loose canon so if Sherwood gets it I'm sure his management and media style will have been discussed and considered.
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Hopefully the next 48 hours will put us out of our misery. Interesting to see CL's article in the morning. Probably read 'Albion close to appointing new head coach' as with Mel the players don't have a clue who is coming in. Most just back from hols and waiting for the Sky sports breaking news banner. They heard about Mel around the same time as the rest of us.
I believe CL is currently on holiday so he won't be releasing a article in the morning.
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Exactly, JP is not one for appointing a loose canon so if Sherwood gets it I'm sure his management and media style will have been discussed and considered.
Like he did with Pepe?
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Pepe didn't carry the slight worries of being arrogant / controversial in any way.....there were no grounds for us to doubt that he would do anything other than his best for the club and players ..... and he left with no suggestion of going against that.
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Like he did with Pepe?
. Pepe was hardly a loose cannon more of a pussy cat who got walked over by the senior players
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. Pepe was hardly a loose cannon more of a pussy cat who got walked over by the senior players
Sorry. I'm still smarting over PM - yes I know I should be fine with it by now. It's not relevant on here maybe, but - four months - it's not fair to the guy.
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I'm just happy with any post that contains the sentence "at least its not Downing"
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Pepe was hardly a loose cannon more of a pussy cat who got walked over by the senior players
Let's not go back over all of this again - the club undermined him from the start and Downing/Kiely, unwittingly or deliberately, added to that rather than helping him.
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Let's not go back over all of this again - the club undermined him from the start and Downing/Kiely, unwittingly or deliberately, added to that rather than helping him.
Pepe Mel is the reason above all why I will not entertain those two T%%Y$%$$% any more. I used to like Kiely too. There is no room for back stabbing in football.
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Sorry. I'm still smarting over PM - yes I know I should be fine with it by now. It's not relevant on here maybe, but - four months - it's not fair to the guy.
Why should you, or anyone else who wanted him to stay, be fine with it now? If it was wrong/unfair/despicable then (which it was), the passage of time doesn't somehow magically make it right.
If we don't end up with someone better, and none of those being frequently mentioned seem to be an unequivocal improvement, then it'll fester even more in my mind. The fact remains that there are several things about the club which are unattractive to coaches who might otherwise be candidates, which I assume is why Koeman, for example, isn't also in the frame for us.
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Why should you, or anyone else who wanted him to stay, be fine with it now? If it was wrong/unfair/despicable then (which it was), the passage of time doesn't somehow magically make it right.
If we don't end up with someone better, and none of those being frequently mentioned seem to be an unequivocal improvement, then it'll fester even more in my mind. The fact remains that there are several things about the club which are unattractive to coaches who might otherwise be candidates, which I assume is why Koeman, for example, isn't also in the frame for us.
I can't argue with it at all mate. I'm VERY unhappy still with PM leaving us. Ultimately it is why I cannot totally get on with the idea of any replacement. I really believe losing Pepe was appalling and a massive opportunity missed.
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Have you any suitable alternatives in mind ?
Don't know who else is in the frame.
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Why should you, or anyone else who wanted him to stay, be fine with it now? If it was wrong/unfair/despicable then (which it was), the passage of time doesn't somehow magically make it right.
If we don't end up with someone better, and none of those being frequently mentioned seem to be an unequivocal improvement, then it'll fester even more in my mind.
Spot. On.
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With managers like Koeman, it is important that they can keep a profile in Europe, and being in the Champions league or Europa league is important. I assume he thinks there is some potential for Southampton. However, I would like to think we have considered him.
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Paddy Power odds at 23.30 have Sherwood at 5/6, Clement 6/1 and Downing at 9/1. Will we have confirmation today ?
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Paddy Power odds at 23.30 have Sherwood at 5/6, Clement 6/1 and Downing at 9/1. Will we have confirmation today ?
Anyone else feel uninspired by this. I want to like Sherwood but just can't convince myself.
Clement would be interesting but why is he still on bookies lists when I thought the club had said no and Downing, well any second man like him who has seen the demise of two managers in the same season and still keeps is job well it beggars belief.
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Sherwood would be OK imo, young manager,pride hurt, looking to build a reputation within the game.
As I've said numerous times we're a stepping stone club for players and managers on the way up and on the way down so we should embrace what we have when e have it.
I still have a sneaky suspicion that somebody else is in the frame beside Sherwood. Not like the club to leave us believing they only have one alternative.
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I doubt it'll be Sherwood. His lack of a large staff makes him appealing, but I'd be shocked if JP Wwent with someone unproven. I'd say Jol or someone similar. One if the other two or three being interviewed and lurking in the shadows currently
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Anyone else feel uninspired by this. I want to like Sherwood but just can't convince myself.
Clement would be interesting but why is he still on bookies lists when I thought the club had said no and Downing, well any second man like him who has seen the demise of two managers in the same season and still keeps is job well it beggars belief.
Totally uninspired but, unlike bookies usual form it has to be apart from Sherwood - wrong.
Clement is not getting it for reasons rehearsed ad nauseum here, Downing has no chance and is there as a token gesture.
Sherwood is up front but seems to me mainly on the back of getting his team back from 0-3 at The Hawthorns a few weeks ago. I agree with the recent Coach post that there is someone else lurking in the left field and BTW its a baseball term referring to the vast area of the park usually patrolled by one man and where the ball rarely goes.
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I believe Sherwood is only so short in the odds because that is the only interview which has been leaked. At this stage nobody knows any of the others. It could well end up being Sherwood but I don't think it's a certainty yet.
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It would be good to get an official sniff of something today
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We need a top drawer coach who can get the best out of the players we have and those who we bring in, not someone who is going to upset everyone, get sacked in 6 months and leave us in the s***.
Is Sherwood a top drawer coach on the training field? I don't know the answer to that but we can't afford for him to be half as volatile as he was at Spurs else it really will be goodnight for us this season.
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Sherwood is the wrong coach at the wrong time. This club is in a right mess and we need an experienced head. A coach who has experience in dealing with difficult dressing rooms and characters. IMO Sherwood wouldn't last 6 months.
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Sherwood is the wrong coach at the wrong time. This club is in a right mess and we need an experienced head. A coach who has experience in dealing with difficult dressing rooms and characters. IMO Sherwood wouldn't last 6 months].
No change there then with our head coaches
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Sherwood is the wrong coach at the wrong time. This club is in a right mess and we need an experienced head. A coach who has experience in dealing with difficult dressing rooms and characters. IMO Sherwood wouldn't last 6 months.
Dick Advocaat is your man.
OK Van Basten, Neeskins, Klivert, Van Nistelroy, Van Bommel etc may just be better players that we are likely to attract but if you can handle the Dutch dressing room I can't imagine that The Hawthorns would take too long to sort out.
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Id like to see someone more experienced.
I cant really see past Jol at the min, I think he would be a superb appointment.
I still think there could be case for Hoddle, fits the structure we entertain with a head coach, would develop and improve our players technically.
Forget what he did at Wolves, he was a football man at a historically 'Huff and Puff' side.
I dont know if he is even under consideration but Hoddle would be a 'left field' appointment for me.
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If we can't get a savvy, experienced, no-nonsense British manager, then I'd like to see us go dutch.
Any of the blokes available (Koeman, de Boer, Advocaat, Jol) would get my backing. Koeman especially. The Ajax connection is irresistible. And look at some of the blokes he's played and worked with.
Unfortunately, I get the feeling that top draw Dutch managers command a big wage and don't mind calling a spade a spade....
....which might count against them unless JP really has turned over a new leaf.
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Sherwood is the default favourite for post because none of the other candidates have been confirmed. He is almost certainly not the only person under consideration. Whoever gets the job will not be as disastrous as their detractors paint them nor will they be as gloriously successful as their more enthusiastic supporters suggest. All potential candidates are flawed and I could make a coherent argument for or against any appointee even Moyes.
Specifically in the case of Sherwood
Pluses
1. English based so understands the Premier League
2. Deemed good enough at Spurs to be put in charge at least on an interim basis
3. Reputation for playing attacking football
4. Is likely to ruffle a few feathers on the playing staff
5. Wants to encourage young players e.g. Kane and Bentaleb
Minuses
1. Tactically limited tardiness in taking coaching qualification might indicate a lack interest in tactics
2. Naive defensively although his Spurs sides got 7 clean sheets to our 3 during his period in charge.
3. Outspoken and criticises the players in public which is fine as an occasional shock tactic and one that Clarke might have tried but if done too frequently is likely to turn players off as turn them on.
4. Not deemed good enough to take on the Spurs job full-time.
5. Limited experience as a Head Coach.
Regardless of who is appointed I will be neither underwhelmed or overjoyed.
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Hope to have a made a decision by Wednesday with a contract tied up quickly apparently.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/09/tim-sherwood-still-favourite-as-west-brom-close-in-on-new-head-coach/
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Sherwood is the default favourite for post because none of the other candidates have been confirmed. He is almost certainly not the only person under consideration. Whoever gets the job will not be as disastrous as their detractors paint them nor will they be as gloriously successful as their more enthusiastic supporters suggest. All potential candidates are flawed and I could make a coherent argument for or against any appointee even Moyes.
Specifically in the case of Sherwood
Pluses
1. English based so understands the Premier League
2. Deemed good enough at Spurs to be put in charge at least on an interim basis
3. Reputation for playing attacking football
4. Is likely to ruffle a few feathers on the playing staff
5. Wants to encourage young players e.g. Kane and Bentaleb
Minuses
1. Tactically limited tardiness in taking coaching qualification might indicate a lack interest in tactics
2. Naive defensively although his Spurs sides got 7 clean sheets to our 3 during his period in charge.
3. Outspoken and criticises the players in public which is fine as an occasional shock tactic and one that Clarke might have tried but if done too frequently is likely to turn players off as turn them on.
4. Not deemed good enough to take on the Spurs job full-time.
5. Limited experience as a Head Coach.
Regardless of who is appointed I will be neither underwhelmed or overjoyed.
But maybe Sherwood is the most likely to be either a fantastic success or a complete disaster sacked by Xmas. That's why I'm surprised to see him being talked up, I would have thought JP would be desperate for a safe pair of hands like Jol.
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Decision on Wednesday. Contract to sort out on Thursday. Probably Friday for an announcement.
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Its all coming from the Dingle Expresso, whats happened to the reporting from the Mail
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I just hope we all get behind who ever gets the job, it will be a big task to gel what will be a new team together without having to deal with us fans getting on his back.
The longer this saga go's on the less time he will have with the squad bonding.
I'm at the point were i just wont the appointment done & dusted, i think i feel this way be-course i brought into the Pepe Mel thing big time :'(
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But maybe Sherwood is the most likely to be eithera fantastic success or a complete disaster sacked by Xmas. That's why I'm surprised to see him being talked up, I would have thought JP would be desperate for a safe pair of hands like Jol.
It is impossible to say. I am not even sure that Jol or Advocate who seem to be the best of the of the "safe pair of hands" brigade are available. Neither probably need the money both could earn at least as much as international coaches without the hassle of the day to day running of a Premier League club and in truth managing Albion does not add anything to their CV's.
I am surprised that Jol in particular has not been more strongly linked with ours or Southampton's position and I suspect that is because he is not particularly interested and is either happy to retire or looking for a different challenge outside English football.
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We can all focus on the new top when this is put to bed :D
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If we are to have a Dick as head coach I'd prefer it was his name and not his nature.
No to Sherwood from me.
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Its all coming from the Dingle Expresso, whats happened to the reporting from the Mail
Joke ay they.
Leps on his jollies and no one can be bothered finding owt out.
But the express and dingle dont tell you any anything we dont know they just follow the bookies , who also haven't a clue.
Still waiting for someone who have not been mentioned.
Mclaren for me.
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I can't see Jeremy Peace being able to work with Tim Sherwood. If he is the next head coach he'll be gone by Christmas.
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The odds for Steve Clarke are dropping. Some people must like throwing money down the drain.
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If we are to have a Dick as head coach I'd prefer it was his name and not his nature.
No to Sherwood from me.
The word on the street is that DA was interviewed by Albion at the weekend...what a catch that would be...bring it on!
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The word on the street is that DA was interviewed by Albion at the weekend...what a catch that would be...bring it on!
Which street? ;)
Anyway, I'd take him over Sherwood definitely, but I'd still love to know who else is on our list.
An appointment in the Roy mould, but he's no spring chicken. Medium term appointment at best? Still no reason to say no though if he gave the best interview, and what's more he HAS got a very good track record.
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The word on the street is that DA was interviewed by Albion at the weekend...what a catch that would be...bring it on!
What street was that Sessamy?
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The odds for Steve Clarke are dropping. Some people must like throwing money down the drain.
if that happened i would give my ticket to charity
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Which street? ;)
Anyway, I'd take him over Sherwood definitely, but I'd still love to know who else is on our list.
An appointment in the Roy mould, but he's no spring chicken. Medium term appointment at best? Still no reason to say no though if he gave the best interview, and what's more he HAS got a very good track record.
Dan Ashworth?
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What street was that Sessamy?
Polldaddy.com
Weekend rumours suggested former Netherlands boss Dick Advocaat could also be interviewed for the job as Baggies officials weigh up their options. The 66-year-old left AZ Almaar at the end of last season
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Seems strange that Advocaat odds is really going backwards 20/1-33/1.
He obviously don't want it.
So,lets hope Sherwood gets it because if he don't the only one left is Master Downing and that is frightening
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I would advocate Advocaat :P ;D
Getting him would be a major coup....
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Seems strange that Advocaat odds is really going backwards 20/1-33/1.
He obviously don't want it.
So,lets hope Sherwood gets it because if he don't the only one left is Master Downing and that is frightening
Let's see who else is on the shortlist first before we assume Sherwood. Agents, club insiders and journos will start to talk soon enough.
Anyway FWIW the Advocaat story is here. Is TribalFootball a site anyone looks at/ trusts?
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/ex-az-boss-advocaat-set-west-brom-talks-4025672 (http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/ex-az-boss-advocaat-set-west-brom-talks-4025672)
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Whoever it is needs to be a strong character to sort the player mafia out. Someone who will kick major backside if need be.
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Advacaat was mentioned by the Sun about a week ago.
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Advacaat was mentioned by the Sun about a week ago.
fabulous. means it's a definite then.
sherwood maybe. jol maybe
mckay no
hughton no
lennon no
jones no
mcleish no
it's easier to say who i don't want. agree with sentiment that Mel was one i bought into. Needs a good appointment for me to move on. Will want whoever to do well, but i am worried.
Has Peace met Paul Daniels or Dynamo? He needs to pull a rabbit out of the bag...
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I'm not convinced that Sherwood will get it. We always seem to have what looks like a more or less done deal only for a change to happen at the last minute and a then a not yet mentioned candidate rears his head from nowhere.
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I know we're supposedly looking for someone who's experienced, but bringing in a 66 year-old would be stretching things IMO. What kind of drive will someone have who's been everywhere and done most of it? Having never worked in England before, would that be what we want in terms of experience, and would Advocaat be willing to move to England? I would imagine the thing he'd be looking forward to most is putting his feet up!
Experience is one thing, but we need someone who's got something to prove as well and so has fire in his belly.
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I know we're supposedly looking for someone who's experienced, but bringing in a 66 year-old would be stretching things IMO. What kind of drive will someone have who's been everywhere and done most of it? Having never worked in England before, would that be what we want in terms of experience, and would Advocaat be willing to move to England? I would imagine the thing he'd be looking forward to most is putting his feet up!
Experience is one thing, but we need someone who's got something to prove as well and so has fire in his belly.
a last payday maybe, another Phealan
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Well DA was manager in Scotland for 4 years so why not manage in England, he's about the same age as RH I think so he would be a great appointment. Go get him JP.
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Seems strange that Advocaat odds is really going backwards 20/1-33/1.
He obviously don't want it.
So,lets hope Sherwood gets it because if he don't the only one left is Master Downing and that is frightening
No it doesn't "obviously mean he doesn't want it". It just means less people have put money on him recently and more money has gone on other people.
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I'm pretty sure that CL ruled Jol out a couple of weeks back but couldn't say why. Can anyone confirm this? Is Jol still on 'Gardening Leave' perhaps?
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Got to say I'm amazed at the amount of support for Sherwood. I think the guy would be an absolute car crash appointment.
He did on okish job at Spurs with the best squad they have had in decades. His man management skills appear to be awful. It's all very well saying look at what he did with someone like Adebayor but he completely froze out players like Soldado, Paulinho, Sandro, Capoue and we cant afford to have 2/3+ players out of the team because the managers fallen out with them.
Tactically he is probably the worst manager in the league. His overall record at Spurs is half decent, but Spurs are better that the majority of teams they play against each week so telling them to 'go out there and play' will often bring a a result against Fulham, Stoke, Hull etc. His record against the top 4 last season looks like this
Arsenal 2-0 Tottenham
Tottenham 1-5 Man City
Chelsea 4-0 Tottenham
Tottenham 0-1 Arsenal
Liverpool 4-0 Tottenham
Played 5, Lost 5, For 1, Against 16
So whenever he came up against a side with better players he had no idea what to do tactically, how to set the team up, how to counter opposition strengths. Unfortunately for us we play a team with stronger players most weeks and there's probably only going to be 2/3 teams in the league we can comfortably say we have better players than.
Chuck in his comments on not believing in holding midfielder's as an example, plus the fact he loves to talk in the media and would likely clash with Peace and I would rather take almost anyone else. I appreciate the argument saying our dressing room needs shaking up a bit but having someone in charge seemingly on the basis they have criticise there players in public repeatedly and have nothing/little else to offer doesn't seem a great idea to me.
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Got to say I'm amazed at the amount of support for Sherwood. I think the guy would be an absolute car crash appointment.
He did on okish job at Spurs with the best squad they have had in decades. His man management skills appear to be awful. It's all very well saying look at what he did with someone like Adebayor but he completely froze out players like Soldado, Paulinho, Sandro, Capoue and we cant afford to have 2/3+ players out of the team because the managers fallen out with them.
Tactically he is probably the worst manager in the league. His overall record at Spurs is half decent, but Spurs are better that the majority of teams they play against each week so telling them to 'go out there and play' will often bring a a result against Fulham, Stoke, Hull etc. His record against the top 4 last season looks like this
Arsenal 2-0 Tottenham
Tottenham 1-5 Man City
Chelsea 4-0 Tottenham
Tottenham 0-1 Arsenal
Liverpool 4-0 Tottenham
Played 5, Lost 5, For 1, Against 16
So whenever he came up against a side with better players he had no idea what to do tactically, how to set the team up, how to counter opposition strengths. Unfortunately for us we play a team with stronger players most weeks and there's probably only going to be 2/3 teams in the league we can comfortably say we have better players than.
Chuck in his comments on not believing in holding midfielder's as an example, plus the fact he loves to talk in the media and would likely clash with Peace and I would rather take almost anyone else. I appreciate the argument saying our dressing room needs shaking up a bit but having someone in charge seemingly on the basis they have criticise there players in public repeatedly and have nothing/little else to offer doesn't seem a great idea to me.
I have to agree with this. I don't want Sherwood either. I'd rather have RDM or Clarke back than Sherwood. We don't need an abrasive manager to shake things up IMO. We need someone who commands respect from the off. A higher profile sort with good experience. The likes of Jol or McLaren for me.
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a last payday maybe, another Phealan
With bucket loads from, amongst others, Rangers and winning the UEFA Cup with Zenit (sponsored by oil giant Gaspron) believe me Dick Advocaat doesn't need a last payday. He probably could finance most of our transfers himself.
He just loves football and as I've said on here previously a really outstanding coach, knows a player from a poser, gets right in the face of any troublemakers and would be a tremendous coup for Albion.
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I'm pretty sure that CL ruled Jol out a couple of weeks back but couldn't say why. Can anyone confirm this? Is Jol still on 'Gardening Leave' perhaps?
He stated 'legal reasons' from what I can recall.
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Talking of Dutch managers, Clarence Seedorf has just been given the flick by AC Milan.
Any takers? He speaks far better english than Tim Sherwood at least...
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What happened to all the ITK’s claiming Moyes was due second round of talks and was liking the deal we offered... Oh dear.
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What happened to all the ITK’s claiming Moyes was due second round of talks and was liking the deal we offered... Oh dear.
These people are needed even if its false info, gave me a lift for a while anyway
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What happened to all the ITK’s claiming Moyes was due second round of talks and was liking the deal we offered... Oh dear.
To be fair I think there was only two of them, and it did sound credible at least
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These people are needed even if its false info, gave me a lift for a while anyway
How is it useful in any way to give out false information and pretend to be "ITK"?
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Well DA was manager in Scotland for 4 years so why not manage in England
Because the Scottish Prem isn't really comparable to the English Prem?
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Sherwood is now 1/3 with Betfair. They must be fairly confident.
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Sherwood seems somewhat imminent, there's been a few thousand put on him over the last few hours on betfair and his odds have dropped to 2/5. I've seen peoples odds go lower and still not get the job, but usually when they're that low it does indicate that the person is very close to the job.
Given there's not really any information from press today that wasn't revealed on Friday/Saturday it'd suggest something more than just opportunists driving the odds anyway. Won't be too surprised if its announced later tonight or tomorrow morning.
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Because the Scottish Prem isn't really comparable to the English Prem?
It was at that time with Celtic in the UEFA Cup Final and Rangers the semi finals of the Champions League.
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How is it useful in any way to give out false information and pretend to be "ITK"?
I am sure they rely on others even more ITK
There must have been some legs in what these folk had to say
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I am sure they rely on others even more ITK
There must have been some legs in what these folk had to say
I'm very confident in saying that whatever chance there was of Moyes coming, it was very minimal. To say he was happy with terms offered when he wasn't offered anything is false.
Anyway, it's irrelevant now. It's looking more and more likely to be Tim Sherwood. Definitely an interesting appointment which could go either way for me. I'm warming to the idea but still cautious and slightly concerned that we'll be looking for another new Head Coach in 12-18 months.
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I'd be concerned we will be looking for a head coach in 12 months because it takes us longer than that to appoint one...
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Sherwood 1/3 odds on what ever that means.Never had a bet in my life
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Sherwood 1/3 odds on what ever that means.Never had a bet in my life
You get £1 back for every £3 you put on, so he's a clear favourite.
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You get £1 back for every £3 you put on, so he's a clear favourite.
We've had this scenario before though.
Alan Irvine prior to RDM being announced
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Chris Hughton prior to Hodgson being announced.
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Can never understand why people take the bookies odds as clear indication the bookies know something. They know nothing and don't pretend to, it simply reflects where the money is going. If 50 people here put £2 on Jol in the next hour his odds would drop. People would see his odds drop and then bet themselves causing his odds to drop further. The media would then see this and publish stories saying Jol is in the fame causing even more people to bet. Because this market is potentially open to abuse (i.e some people somewhere will know 100% who the manager is before it is announced, such as JP, the manager, agents, board members) the bookies are very careful on the odds they offer and will slash them dramatically at the slightest bit of interest shown in 1 particular candiate.
If Sherwood was imminent they would close the market. The fact he is 1/3 doesn't mean he isn't coming but it certainly doesn't mean he 100% is.
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Can never understand why people take the bookies odds as clear indication the bookies know something. They know nothing and don't pretend to, it simply reflects where the money is going. If 50 people here put £2 on Jol in the next hour his odds would drop. People would see his odds drop and then bet themselves causing his odds to drop further. The media would then see this and publish stories saying Jol is in the fame causing even more people to bet. Because this market is potentially open to abuse (i.e some people somewhere will know 100% who the manager is before it is announced, such as JP, the manager, agents, board members) the bookies are very careful on the odds they offer and will slash them dramatically at the slightest bit of interest shown in 1 particular candiate.
If Sherwood was imminent they would close the market. The fact he is 1/3 doesn't mean he isn't coming but it certainly doesn't mean he 100% is.
You're wasting your breath trying to explain it. To some the bookies odds are gospel. We could all put thousands on Ronald McDonald taking over and he'd become favourite.
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You're wasting your breath trying to explain it. To some the bookies odds are gospel. We could all put thousands on Ronald McDonald taking over and he'd become favourite.
If the odds reflect nothing of reality how come the bookies make so much money? That's why I don't bet.
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Not really true, extreme sudden drops in odds usually tell you something. When Mel was actually appointed for example there was absolutely nothing in the press that he was even being spoken to again, it was only when his odds rapidly dropped that people realised, and then surprise, he ended up being officially announced within a couple of hours.
Obviously you can't take the odds as certainties of what's going to happen, but you can infer from some movements in odds that there's some inside knowledge driving them.
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If the odds reflect nothing of reality how come the bookies make so much money? That's why I don't bet.
Because statistically 92% of people lose at betting and bookmakers compile a book that is always in their favour. If (for example) they bet to 115% over-round that means they'd pay out £100 to every £115 taken therefore leaving them a profit on a race / event.
If they bet under-round (example 90%) that means you'd be able to win by backing every competitor in an event and any decent bookie isn't stupid enough to bet under-round. They'd go bust in no time.
The 8% that do win at betting really know their stuff and they know how to work the percentages in their favour.
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You're wasting your breath trying to explain it. To some the bookies odds are gospel. We could all put thousands on Ronald McDonald taking over and he'd become favourite.
I'd sooner have him than some of the names mentioned
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HURRY UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not really true, extreme sudden drops in odds usually tell you something. When Mel was actually appointed for example there was absolutely nothing in the press that he was even being spoken to again, it was only when his odds rapidly dropped that people realised, and then surprise, he ended up being officially announced within a couple of hours.
Obviously you can't take the odds as certainties of what's going to happen, but you can infer from some movements in odds that there's some inside knowledge driving them.
Point taken, but at the same time he's the one name that's been confirmed as having spoken to us so far, so there's been some money put on him as people react to that news, and the bookies' odds drop as they try to cover their backs.
I hope that's the case anyway. I just don't want the bloke in the job. At all.
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One bookmaker has Alan Irvine as third favourite behind Sherwood and Clement. He seems to have come out if nowhere. He almost got the job when RDM was appointed and is currently working with Everton's academy. May well be nothing in it but it's an interesting name to suddenly crop up.
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Irvine another un inspiring looser
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Prediction appointment will be announced Thursday start of the World Cup good time to bury bad news lol then next the good old line some on here fall for cannot buy any one during the World Cup as no one else do.
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Irvine another un inspiring looser
Made an absolute calamity of the job at Sheffield Wednesday. He's regarded as one of the worst managers in their history. At the same time he was very condescending towards them.
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Irvine was moyes no 2 at preston.
Perhaps moysey wanted irvine and the club have had a rethink.
Clutching at straws.
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Irvine another un inspiring looser
So who doesn't want Sherwood now?
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Horror thought.
Downings got the job, because no one wants it,
We need a new no2 Irvine.
Screeeeaaaaaaaaam.
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If I remember rightly Irvine turned down the job here (the club denied this but it was reported by the local journalists that he basically did) then we got RDM today. The luckiest escape in the clubs recent history, who knows were we'd be if we'd got him in that season in the championship. His career plummeted afterwards.
He's probably only just been added to the market which is why his odds are relatively low at the moment.
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A source on newsnow claiming that Sherwood has been offered the job but the stumbling block is that Baggies haven't agreed to him bringing Les Ferdinand as coach.
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Les Ferdinand as coach? He would be third choice striker :o
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Now we are definitely going round in circles!
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A source on newsnow claiming that Sherwood has been offered the job but the stumbling block is that Baggies haven't agreed to him bringing Les Ferdinand as coach.
Here we go again. For goodness sake let the man have his number 2! I like Les Ferdinand.
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What street was that Sessamy?
James Turner...
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For me any new manager\head coach needs to be able to bring his own assistant in. Half the time a manager is only as good as his assistant.
If he isnt allowed to bring his own people in I can see him lasting 6 months tops if Sherwood gets the job
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To be fair I think there was only two of them, and it did sound credible at least
Fairly new to all of this, but I was under the impression he was contacted first but turned us down.
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So we spend several weeks searching for a new manager to replace Clarke and get it hopelessly wrong in appointing Mel. If after another round of searching we end up with Sherwood then you really have to wonder whether the club knows what it is doing. There must be better candidates out there. Are we really that unattractive? Is it down to wages, transfer budget, the ready made back room staff? Who knows. Appointing Sherwood would be as underwhelming for me as appointing Mel was. I really hope this doesn't happen.
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So we spend several weeks searching for a new manager to replace Clarke and get it hopelessly wrong in appointing Mel. If after another round of searching we end up with Sherwood then you really have to wonder whether the club knows what it is doing. There must be better candidates out there. Are we really that unattractive? Is it down to wages, transfer budget, the ready made back room staff? Who knows. Appointing Sherwood would be as underwhelming for me as appointing Mel was. I really hope this doesn't happen.
In a nutshell.
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To be honest if Tim Sherwood is the answer then I'd much rather us do a complete and utter u-turn and re-appoint Steve Clarke.
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So we spend several weeks searching for a new manager to replace Clarke and get it hopelessly wrong in appointing Mel. If after another round of searching we end up with Sherwood then you really have to wonder whether the club knows what it is doing. There must be better candidates out there. Are we really that unattractive? Is it down to wages, transfer budget, the ready made back room staff? Who knows. Appointing Sherwood would be as underwhelming for me as appointing Mel was. I really hope this doesn't happen.
. I hope sherwood gets it and I hope he's allowed to bring in who he wants. Exactly the same mistake peace made with Pepe mel who was never given a chance. It's going to be downing because peace won't get rid of him. What's the point interviewing people when they won't come and work with Jeremy's yes man.
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Can't get the title of Chiles' book out of my mind
We Don't Know What We're Doing
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To be honest if Tim Sherwood is the answer then I'd much rather us do a complete and utter u-turn and re-appoint Steve Clarke.
If Sherwood is the answer then they haven't been asking the right questions.
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It does make you wonder - if we end up with Sherwood then what have the Club been doing for five weeks ? Sherwood could have been in from week one as he's a very low profile candidate and it's not as if we would have to wait upon him as he would for someone like Roy..........
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I've got to say I'm not inspired by the thought of Tim Sherwood taking the job it would be the same kind of reaction for me as when Steve Clarke got the job. I just wish for once we could do all this messing around quickly we looked for a new head coach 4 months ago we must be looking at the same old faces again now so what's taking so long we have a team to rebuild and nothing will get done while the world cup is on leaving us very short of time to recruit.
with amount of players we are going to need we should be signing them now and getting them all jelled into the existing team during pre-season.
Also while im on a rant what's with the obsession of keeping Dean Kiely and Keith Downing let them go and let the new head coach bring in his people imho its why we cant attract a bigger name to the club well that and the £5 transfer budget
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To be honest if Tim Sherwood is the answer then I'd much rather us do a complete and utter u-turn and re-appoint Steve Clarke.
Happy to give anybody a chance but Sherwood has disaster written all over it.
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Happy to give anybody a chance but Sherwood has disaster written all over it.
Agreed, Sherwood would not be progression, he would be an unacceptable risk IMO
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Agreed, Sherwood would not be progression, he would be an unacceptable risk IMO
agreed massive risk we do not know what we will get. the guys got bags of Prem experience as a player but as a coach nothing. If he gets the job he will give it everything he is a leader, I wouldn't pick him but if Jeremy does I'm right behind him..
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I fully expect Sherwood to get the job (just a gut instinct) although i do think talk on Twitter of him being offered the job and it could be scarves held aloft tomorrow are a little far fetched.
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Whoever we appoint will be a risk. At least Sherwood hasn't got a load of failed managers posts behind him like most of the others in the Bookies lists.
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Don't know who else is in the frame.
Of course but with the ones mentioned none really stand out.
We will see soon enough now I hope so the club can get on with the recruitment.
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Tim Sherwood to be appointed this week . Got to be ! CL is on holiday ;D
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According to the E&D still 2 other candidates to be interviewed . My money is on Bill & Ben!!
Seriously though how do they know there is 2 to be interviewed and who are they??
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Dick advocat was rumoured to be one according to the e&s
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Think we need to remember that we're looking for a 'coach' and not a 'manager' like old times. Sherwood is well known for being on the training ground and hopefully he'll bring Ferdinand with him. Could imagine him turning Big Vic into a goal machine.
Sherwood and Ferdinand are like Yin and Yang. One's loud, honest, frank, tough tackling midfielder, Ferdinand is quietly understated goalscorer. Perfect 'coaching' team. Know the league in its current state, English and, as we saw at Spurs like to see youth bought through. Hopefully Sherwood can convince Thorne and Mulumbu to stay as well, especially someone who knows that DM position well.
Think TS would be a top appointment.
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All the people who are against Sherwood ought to put things in perspective. Look at some of the realistic alternatives:
Dave Jones
Keith Downing
Chris Hughton
Alan Irvine
Malky Mackay
Neil Lennon
Brian McDermott
Derek McInnes
I don’t think any of these are any better than Sherwood and in my opinion he is better than most of them. I just hope that the board allow him to bring in Ferdinand.
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We need to break the mould. It's time for downing to go. Any new coach coming in needs to be able to bring in his own man. This is getting very frustrating
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We need to break the mould. It's time for downing to go. Any new coach coming in needs to became to bring in his own man. This is getting very frustrating
Agreed.
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Just been listening to Sherwood interviews from this season and I must admit I'm warming to him. He clearly is passionate about the game and doesn't suffer players who aren't in it for the team. Maybe he is just what we need. Every appointment is a risk so why not Sherwood? It would ruffle a few feathers but after last season perhaps we need a coach to come in with enthusiasm and put a few players in their place. I don't think he'd take any messing but would be great to play for if you bought into his philosophy.
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I'm really not buying the idea that Sherwood has been offered the job and that bringing in a coach could be a sticking point. It's an easy story to fabricate for someone who knows very little about us as a club.
Back room staff was an issue when Mel came so it's an easy assumption for someone to make now. However, I very much doubt it will be an issue this time around. The scenario is very different. For starters, Clarke and Keen are now both off of the wage bill which frees up the money for a new member of staff. This wasn't the case when Mel was appointed. Secondly, every head coach we have had since RDM arrived and our structure changed has been allowed a coach at some stage. RDM had Newton and Mafe which was slightly different but since Roy the structure has been the same. Downing is Joint Assistant Head Coach, Kiely is goalkeeping coach and there is room for a Head Coach and one assistant. Roy started with Appleton but was allowed Burton once he left, Clarke had Keen and Mel eventually had Gomez. I really can't see it being an issue unless Sherwood or whoever it is wants more than one coach to come with him, which I can't see happening.
So before people start moaning about the club messing Sherwood around they should maybe think about whether it would actually be an issue.
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Happy to give anybody a chance but Sherwood has disaster written all over it.
I agree, this would be an abysmal appointment? I would even go as far as saying, that if Sherwood is appointed, we will be looking for another head coach by November.
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I agree, this would be an abysmal appointment? I would even go as far as saying, that if Sherwood is appointed, we will be looking for another head coach by November.
Ronny don't be rash. It will run til Christmas.
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Ronny don't be rash. It will run til Christmas.
you're both talking tosh. be in post until Feb 1st.
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I agree, this would be an abysmal appointment? I would even go as far as saying, that if Sherwood is appointed, we will be looking for another head coach by November.
So realistically who would you want?
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you're both talking tosh. be in post until Feb 1st.
That'd be funny if it wasn't so true ;D
One of the major problems I can envisage with Sherwood, is him criticising players in public when results inevitably go tits up for us (this will happen due to his lack of experience and tactical know how). So instead of going in and "ruffling a few feathers", to quote a number of posts on this subject, he will probably alienate himself and make things worse then ever.
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;D I think Sherwood is the man for the job for the following reasons.
1. He has a point to prove after being shown the door at Spurs.
2. Has a good knowledge of the game and would be a good "coach".
3. Would not take any s%$t from the players.
4. Would play entertaining, attractive, attacking football.
5. Is highly recommended by people who have played and been coached by him.
6. Is passionate about the game, can only rub off on our inept players.
7. Would attract players who appreciate his enthusiasm and drive.
I think he should be given a 2 year contract and take the risk.....we don't want any Jones, Curbishley, Hughton has beens. :o
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So realistically who would you want?
Realistically I would take McInnes & Jol over Sherwood any day of the week.
Damn.. I would even take Hughton over Sherwood!!
We need an experienced coach and not one that could go all guns blazing in the dressing room at the first sign of trouble
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This is taking so long, really beginning to think JP is counting the days down to June 24-only 14 to go now.
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I couldn't even begin to count the number of posts I read last season that rightly criticized how a lot of the players just didn't seem to play with any desire or heart, just going through the motions on the pitch which is a big slap of the face to the club that pays their wages and an insult to ALL fans especially ones that pay good money to attend and travel to matches! Some posts even suggested dropping these senior regular starters for the younger and hungrier players that want to prove themselves which is a fair suggestion!
So weeks go by with no hint were anywhere close to hiring our next head coach and suddenly for the first time were told regardless if true or not that the club is on the verge of making an appointment and the name were given one could argue all day the merits of his football knowledge ie. tactics ect. but one thing we do know for sure without a doubt is that he has zero tolerance for any player that does not go out and give 110% for every second their on the pitch and expects a team atmosphere where equally each person in the locker room plays with a desire to win and if you don't you can be lazy and have your attitude on the bench. But this is the one thing that seems to be the biggest gripe people have with TS! I don't recall TS calling out specific names again and again and even if he had by no means does it mean that it will continue with us!
Players are coddled too much and should be called out more often especially if they are out going through the motions and not giving their best it shouldn't ever be tolerated! He may not end up here and if he does it's certainly not a given that his interviews will carry the same tone here as they did at Spurs.
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Good post "SoCal". I would hope we are looking for someone who has the balls to stand up to the players. I just watched his interview again and he came across as someone that doesn't stand for lack of discipline and is committed to succeeding with whatever bunch of players he has. We could do a lot worse!
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I think we have to be realistic and admit that we will be in the position of looking for a new manager every 12-18 months.
If Sherwood (or any other manager) comes in here and does a sterling job even with the restrictions that the club will place on him his stock will increase and he'll move upwards in a very short space of time, if he fails then he's out the door.
The cycle begins again
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I think Sherwood was keen to stand up for himself at Spurs. It could have been easy for a group of well paid international players, a lot foreign, to look down on Sherwood as he was appointed from within. Sherwood quickly made it clear that he wanted the job and didn't want to be seen as a temporary appointment. Was it arrogance or was it Sherwood making it clear that he was in charge and wanted the job full time ?
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It's been 29 days today since Pepe Mel was sacked. Even those who were happy for the club to take 3-4 weeks over this must be starting to get twitchy over how long it's taking now.
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It's been 29 days today since Pepe Mel was sacked. Even those who were happy for the club to take 3-4 weeks over this must be starting to get twitchy over how long it's taking now.
No. Not at all. I'd rather the club took it's time and made the best choice from the options.
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The Twitter account for BBC WM Sport 95.6 understands no one has been offered head coach role yet. Other candidates to be spoken to today.
So if that's true we are no where near yet. At least another week away. And then there is all the mindless haggling over backroom staff etc.
My opinion of JP has changed dramatically in the last 12 months. We've gone from being a well run club to one that's an absolute shambles.
No coach, no squad, no sponsor, no kit, no direction at all. And yet a whole board room full of over paid suits doing jack all.
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No. Not at all. I'd rather the club took it's time and made the best choice from the options.
Have you considered that the delay might be a consequence of the restrictions we may be placing on the appointment, which are making it unattractive to the best candidates, potentially leaving us to appoint someone from the remaining group who a majority of fans aren't in favour of?
They had plenty of time to analyse the information in our marvellous database and decide who their preferred candidates were before Pepe Mel even left, so what exactly do they need another 29 days+ to do (apart from swan around on holiday for a week of course)?
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No. Not at all. I'd rather the club took it's time and made the best choice from the options.
that just doesn't wash with me. JP knew he was going to get rid of Mel before he was sacked. he should have been sounding people out and lining them up before the end of the season. taking all this time means that the club has been poorly organised in getting a new coach in. there are only a finite number of options after all.
we've not had a FT coach for over 6 months, the club needs to get on with it.
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Have you considered that the delay might be a consequence of the restrictions we may be placing on the appointment, which are making it unattractive to the best candidates, potentially leaving us to appoint someone from the remaining group who a majority of fans aren't in favour of?
They had plenty of time to analyse the information in our marvellous database and decide who their preferred candidates were before Pepe Mel even left, so what exactly do they need another 29 days+ to do (apart from swan around on holiday for a week of course)?
yes I have considered that I also understand that the club said it will take about 4 weeks which isn't quite up yet.
I didn't realise you were part of the recruitment process and know how long it's going to take, you should have said earlier. When has the club said it's going to take another 29 + days??????
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that just doesn't wash with me. JP knew he was going to get rid of Mel before he was sacked. he should have been sounding people out and lining them up before the end of the season. taking all this time means that the club has been poorly organised in getting a new coach in. there are only a finite number of options after all.
we've not had a FT coach for over 6 months, the club needs to get on with it.
Oh so sorry for having my own opinion. In future I'll run everything past you first to see if it "washes with you".
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Oh so sorry for having my own opinion. In future I'll run everything past you first to see if it "washes with you".
don't be childish. we just have differing opinions. isn't that what messageboards are all about?
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Its going to be a panic decision i can feel it in my bones
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that just doesn't wash with me. JP knew he was going to get rid of Mel before he was sacked. he should have been sounding people out and lining them up before the end of the season. taking all this time means that the club has been poorly organised in getting a new coach in. there are only a finite number of options after all.
we've not had a FT coach for over 6 months, the club needs to get on with it.
Agree and as I have commented on before this 'due diligence' turned up the likes of Clarke and others who ended up being effectively sacked. It's hardly a successful approach in taking time over the appointment.
In addition it is more than likely that some prospective candidates have been unable to accept the conditions imposed by JP which will inevitably result in the official announcement of the appointment being their first choice or words to that effect.
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The Twitter account for BBC WM Sport 95.6 understands no one has been offered head coach role yet. Other candidates to be spoken to today.
So if that's true we are no where near yet. At least another week away. And then there is all the mindless haggling over backroom staff etc.
My opinion of JP has changed dramatically in the last 12 months. We've gone from being a well run club to one that's an absolute shambles.
No coach, no squad, no sponsor, no kit, no direction at all. And yet a whole board room full of over paid suits doing jack all.
It won't take another week. As was reported in the local press yesterday, the plan was to be interviewing candidates over the weekend, Monday and Tuesday before making a decision early on Wednesday and appointing later that day or Thursday.
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Have you considered that the delay might be a consequence of the restrictions we may be placing on the appointment, which are making it unattractive to the best candidates, potentially leaving us to appoint someone from the remaining group who a majority of fans aren't in favour of?
They had plenty of time to analyse the information in our marvellous database and decide who their preferred candidates were before Pepe Mel even left, so what exactly do they need another 29 days+ to do (apart from swan around on holiday for a week of course)?
They said it would take around 4 weeks which is nearly up and as they made that statement at the beginning knowing holidays would happen then you can assume they took that into account.
I don't feel the restrictions on the role are putting anyone off, we had 50+ candidates apply for the job in the first week. Given that some of those would be on holiday too a week can turn into two quite easily. Coupled with the fact no real movement was going to happen until Burton started 9 days ago. We knew Hodgson was going and it took this long to hire Clarke.
So everyone chill out. There's no real exceptional stand out candidate - if Moyes thinks he's a higher level than us who's fault is that? He's got a point. He wouldn't be a coup of a signing if he wasn't deemed out our bracket. So without a stand out candidate available I'd rather we not just panic appoint someone. We have to get this right this time and with nobody particularly exciting out there for us we need to make sure we see candidates a few times and really know they'll be the right person.
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And sorry but saying the club is a shambles for 'no sponsor and no kit' is so unbelievably stupid it's untrue - WE HAVE A KIT. It was designed last September. It's done, dusted, signed off, completed. It just hasn't launched. Why is that an issue? Why is the fact it hasn't launched in the first week of June a problem? It's not.
Sponsor? How do you know we haven't got one? Do you work for the club? What difference does it make? We spent two seasons without one and everyone loved not having a sponsor on the shirt. And again why does it matter to you that we haven't announced anything about a sponsor? Are you going to moan when that's launched too? Ridiculous.
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yes I have considered that I also understand that the club said it will take about 4 weeks which isn't quite up yet.
29 days is 4 weeks+1 day by my reckoning.
I didn't realise you were part of the recruitment process and know how long it's going to take, you should have said earlier. When has the club said it's going to take another 29 + days??????
Read what I wrote again - I meant 29+ days from when they sacked Pepe Mel.
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I cannot in all seriousness tell you how any appointment will turn out. I do not understand the negativity that surrounds some of the candidates nor for that matter the halo effect attached to others well in this particular instance Moyes.
Two years ago there was a clamour to appoint Hughton (Peace was heavily criticised for not paying the compensation) now he is seen as a failure and a disastrous appointment. On the other hand if we had appointed MacClaren instead of Clarke at that point in time I am fairly sure that he would have been viewed in a similar light to Hughton now. In the interim one has endured a down swing in fortunes and the other a revival. Neither are a better or worse Coach than they were two years ago but our perception of them has changed dramatically.
Moyes when he went to United was seen as the ultimate safe pair of hands appointment yet he presided over one of the biggest footballing failures in Premier League history, in relative terms finishing seventh with United is bigger failure than getting Norwich relegated.
I think the point I am trying to make is our judgement is formed not on first hand experience of the coaches concerned but on perceptions gleaned from the media or results which may or may not be a true reflection of that Coach's worth. Based on results last season the best coach we had was Downing, yet he would be regarded as a disastrous appointment. Ultimately I am prepared to suspend judgement on any appointment we don't really know how anyone will respond to the challenges that they will encounter specifically at the Hawthorns.
Whoever we appoint I wish them well and they have my backing. To get on a new Head Coach's back from the outset is pointless and aside from having the dubious privilege of telling the world "I told you so" there seems very little point in being negative about any particular appointment.
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And on a brighter note...........the club are messing about sorting out a manager very shortly they will be messing about again trying to sort out some players.
Ahhhhhhh deep joy.
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I can smell smoke, its coming from a compost corner
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We will just have to wait and see before moaning.
We might appoint a top coach not mentioned, major shirt sponser, a new assistant coach.
Probably be though. :'(.
Downing, irvine, shirt sponsers poundland.
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We will just have to wait and see before moaning.
We might appoint a top coach not mentioned, major shirt sponser, a new assistant coach.
Probably be though. :'(.
Downing, irvine, shirt sponsers poundland.
Sleepless nights
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:D Has anyone thought that if Roy has a poor World Cup......he can come back home to us as he is much appreciated and loved here? :-*
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:D Has anyone thought that if Roy has a poor World Cup......he can come back home to us as he is much appreciated and loved here? :-*
No chance. Once Roy leaves England he will retire.
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We've had this scenario before though.
Alan Irvine prior to RDM being announced
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Chris Hughton prior to Hodgson being announced.
Funny how Irvine dropped back into the fold yesterday. Most likely on the back of this comment. Just shows how daft the whole betting process is.
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Whoever we appoint I wish them well and they have my backing. To get on a new Head Coach's back from the outset is pointless and aside from having the dubious privilege of telling the world "I told you so" there seems very little point in being negative about any particular appointment.
There's not much point having this forum if expressing views about such things is pointless. If speculating about potential incoming coaches/players is pointless and reacting after they come in is pointless, it doesn't really leave us much to talk about does it?!
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So from the sounds of it we probably won't be appointing anyone this week either. How can we take so long to do anything? If you include the few weeks before hand where the club knew they were going to ditch Mel, it will have been the best part of 2 months the club have had to plan this. Due diligence? More like due dithering.
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I can smell smoke, its coming from a compost corner
Compost Corner!
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We last done this detailed due diligence faffing in January. I know five months is a long time in football but not much has changed really in the Managerial round about. I hope we haven't gone over old ground again and had the same conversations with the same people.
Can't understand what the hold up is really if there are only a few extra people to speak to from five months ago.
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Compost Corner!
We use to sing that at the back of the bummie in the early 80s
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At the end of the day we wont get rid of Downing for whatever reason and no other wants to work with whats in place already so just accept its going to be Downing
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As we had one of the top 30 best paid squads in world football according to the CIES Football Observatory (probably not right now as we only have 13 players) you'd have thought that we'd have been able to attract a pretty high-profile, manager with a successful track record and relevant experience.
Our self-imposed selection criteria mean that we punch below our weight in attracting top managers.
The head coach model worked well for us previously, but I think that the club has developed to a stage where it is much more difficult to apply this model without having really significant transfer funds and squad size.
I think the time we're taking over the decision is excessive too.
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At the end of the day we wont get rid of Downing for whatever reason and no other wants to work with whats in place already so just accept its going to be Downing
I don't buy this 'there's a hold up as Sherwood wants to bring Ferdinand' stuff. It is a quiet time to try and fill newspapers.
The due diligence process is probably taking longer as the 'system' did not work the last time, in fact the last twice and getting it wrong this time means almost certain relegation.
As for Downing was not he 'temporarily promoted' when Clarke and Keen were sacked so could he not just go back to his previous job and leave Sherwood/Advocaat or whoever to appoint their own No.2 ?
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We use to sing that at the back of the bummie in the early 80s
I used to stand at the back of the Brummie in the early 80s. Before that we were in the Smethwick Corner, but after the Leeds game my dad decided that the Brummie would be better.
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Waiting for Jol to sort out his compo claim with Fulham then he can be appointed, that is the problem with the 'out of work' guys, their contracts are so complex, that an agreement has to be done with their previous clubs to 'buy out' their compo claims.
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Waiting for Jol to sort out his compo claim with Fulham then he can be appointed, that is the problem with the 'out of work' guys, their contracts are so complex, that an agreement has to be done with their previous clubs to 'buy out' their compo claims.
In the know or having a guess?
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We use to sing that at the back of the bummie in the early 80s
I'm not sure you ought to be advertising where you used to sing that on here Jack.
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Good post Standaman. While I agree with all you have said, I cant help feeling a little frustrated with the Board and the position we are in. Despite the popular opinion that we are a small fish in a big pond and we do extremely well on little resources this could be debated. Admittedly these are figures from the 2012-13 season. They make interesting reading.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/01/premier-league-accounts-club-by-club-david-conn?CMP=twt_gu
WBA Accounts for the year to 30 June 2013
Ownership: Majority owned by the chairman, Jeremy Peace.
Turnover: 15th in league, £70m (up from £67m in 2012)
Gate receipts: £7m
Merchandising: £3m
TV and media: £53m
Other commercial income: £7m
Wage bill: 15th highest, £54m (up from £50m in 2012)
Wages as proportion of turnover: 77%
Profit before tax: £6m (up from £0.4m in 2012)
Net debt: n/a
Interest payable: Nil
Highest paid director: Unnamed, £1,341m (Jeremy Peace is the executive chairman)
WAGE BILLS TURN OVER HIGHEST PAID DIRECTOR
Manchester City: £233m £271m Unnamed: £426,000 John MacBeath was the acting chief exec
Manchester Utd: £181m £363m £1.327m unnamed David Gill was the chief executive during the
year before resigning)
Chelsea: £179m £260m Unnamed, £1.383m (Ron Gourlay is the chief executive)
Arsenal: £154m £283m Ivan Gazidis: £1.825m
Lverpool: £132m £201m Unnamed, £1.035m (Ian Ayre is the managing director)
Tottenham: £96m £147m Daniel Levy £1.658m
QPR: £78m £61m Directors of the holding company were not paid
Aston Villa: £72m £84m £251,000 to unnamed director Paul Faulkner is the chief Fulham: £67m £73m Unnamed, £810,000 (Alastair Mackintosh is the chief exec
Everton: £63m £86m No directors were paid; chief executive Robert Elstone is not a director
Newcastle Utd: £62m £96m Unnamed, £177,000 (Derek Llambias was the managing director)
Stoke City: £60m £67m Unnamed, £642,000 (Tony Scholes is the chief executive)
Sunderland: £58m £76m Unnamed, £535,000 (Margaret Byrne is the chief executive)
West Ham: £56m £91m Unnamed, £1.6m (Karren Brady is the executive vice-chairman)
West Brom: £54m £70m Unnamed, £1,341m Jeremy Peace is the executive chairman)
Norwich City: £51m £75m £1.716m paid to unnamed director David McNally is the chief executive)
Swansea City: £49m £67m Huw Jenkins, £250,000
Southampton: £47m £72m £2.129m paid to Nicola Cortese
Reading: £46m £59m Not disclosed
Wigan: £44m £56m Chief executive Jonathan Jackson is paid but salary not disclosed
Everton for instance has a wage bill of only £9million more than us and Swansea spend £5million less than us and they buy players like Bony.
My real point is that I hear excuses that its because we don’t have the resources that other clubs have and this necessitates the due diligence we see and kinds of managers we can approach. It seems to me that it is as much to do with the personalities of the board as well.
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Probably a good time to put your money on one of the other candidates. Sherwood is 1 of 6 on the shortlist which explains his price but you can now get the rest at very good prices.
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I'm not sure you ought to be advertising where you used to sing that on here Jack.
fabulous. great spot! had me in stitches.
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As for Downing was not he 'temporarily promoted' when Clarke and Keen were sacked so could he not just go back to his previous job and leave Sherwood/Advocaat or whoever to appoint their own No.2 ?
That ought to have happened with Pepe Mel, but didn't of course. It's no secret that I think we ought to have a complete clear-out of coaches this time around and start afresh with some new ideas and no possible player/coach cliques to undermine the head coach. However, I'm less bothered about Kiely remaining as GK coach if that's all he does.
Put it another way - if the club insist that Downing, Kiely or whoever have to stay, who do those coaches report to? It can't be the head coach if he doesn't have a say in whether they stay or go. If it isn't him, doesn't that put an unwelcome and unhelpful barrier in place from the outset? If they do report to the head coach, then it should be his decision as to whether they stay or not.
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Good post Standaman. While I agree with all you have said, I cant help feeling a little frustrated with the Board and the position we are in. Despite the popular opinion that we are a small fish in a big pond and we do extremely well on little resources this could be debated. Admittedly these are figures from the 2012-13 season. They make interesting reading.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/01/premier-league-accounts-club-by-club-david-conn?CMP=twt_gu
WBA Accounts for the year to 30 June 2013
Ownership: Majority owned by the chairman, Jeremy Peace.
Turnover: 15th in league, £70m (up from £67m in 2012)
Gate receipts: £7m
Merchandising: £3m
TV and media: £53m
Other commercial income: £7m
Wage bill: 15th highest, £54m (up from £50m in 2012)
Wages as proportion of turnover: 77%
Profit before tax: £6m (up from £0.4m in 2012)
Net debt: n/a
Interest payable: Nil
Highest paid director: Unnamed, £1,341m (Jeremy Peace is the executive chairman)
WAGE BILLS TURN OVER HIGHEST PAID DIRECTOR
Manchester City: £233m £271m Unnamed: £426,000 (John MacBeath was the acting chief executive)
Manchester Utd: £181m £363m £1.327m unnamed (David Gill was the chief executive during the year before resigning)
Chelsea: £179m £260m Unnamed, £1.383m (Ron Gourlay is the chief executive)
Arsenal: £154m £283m Ivan Gazidis: £1.825m
Lverpool: £132m £201m Unnamed, £1.035m (Ian Ayre is the managing director)
Tottenham: £96m £147m Daniel Levy £1.658m
QPR: £78m £61m Directors of the holding company were not paid
Aston Villa: £72m £84m £251,000 to unnamed director (Paul Faulkner is the chief executive)
Fulham: £67m £73m Unnamed, £810,000 (Alastair Mackintosh is the chief executive)
Everton: £63m £86m No directors were paid; chief executive Robert Elstone is not a director
Newcastle Utd: £62m £96m Unnamed, £177,000 (Derek Llambias was the managing director)
Stoke City: £60m £67m Unnamed, £642,000 (Tony Scholes is the chief executive)
Sunderland: £58m £76m Unnamed, £535,000 (Margaret Byrne is the chief executive)
West Ham: £56m £91m Unnamed, £1.6m (Karren Brady is the executive vice-chairman)
West Brom: £54m £70m Unnamed, £1,341m (Jeremy Peace is the executive chairman)
Norwich City: £51m £75m £1.716m paid to unnamed director (David McNally is the chief executive)
Swansea City: £49m £67m Huw Jenkins, £250,000
Southampton: £47m £72m £2.129m paid to Nicola Cortese
Reading: £46m £59m Not disclosed
Wigan: £44m £56m Chief executive Jonathan Jackson is paid but salary not disclosed
Everton for instance has a wage bill of only £9million more than us and Swansea spend £5million less than us and they buy players like Bony.
My real point is that I hear excuses that its because we don’t have the resources that other clubs have and this necessitates the due diligence we see and kinds of managers we can approach. It seems to me that it is as much to do with the personalities of the board as well.
Just to add...
According to this article we were 117th best paid sports team in the world and 28th best paid football team.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2647860/Manchester-City-squad-cost-1bn-assemble-cost-311m-buy-Sergio-Aguero-Yaya-Toure-Co.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2647860/Manchester-City-squad-cost-1bn-assemble-cost-311m-buy-Sergio-Aguero-Yaya-Toure-Co.html)
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So we have a 6 man list.Who are the other 5
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So we have a 6 man list.Who are the other 5
Good question anyone ITK?
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I am definitely in the know about this. I can confidently say the other 5 are...
A N Other 1
AN Other 2
AN Other 3
AN Other 4
AN Other 5
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I am definitely in the know about this. I can confidently say the other 5 are...
A N Other 1
AN Other 2
AN Other 3
AN Other 4
AN Other 5
Come on does no one has a clue?
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Someone stated Koeman talks at S'oton have stalled and he's been approached by us.
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HERE WE GO AGAIN :D
Wheres the fabled 6 man list come from?
and SOMEONE has stated we've approached Koeman
Literrary Gold ;D
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HERE WE GO AGAIN :D
Wheres the fabled 6 man list come from?
BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27777861
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BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27777861
Interesting and the new man can bring his own coaching staff in!
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Come on does no one has a clue?
Lucky dip. I will go for no3
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This is getting pathetic now. Im usually calm on these sort of things but ive said time and time again to friends that if we dont have a head coach in place by tomorrow evening (before the world cup begins) then its a absolute joke.
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Will this thread make 100 before we appoint
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With the statement that 'the new head coach will be able to bring in his own coaching staff' does that mean the beginning of the end for Downing and Kiely?
Unless its a double whammy and those two are the new coaches!
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With the statement that 'the new head coach will be able to bring in his own coaching staff' does that mean the beginning of the end for Downing and Kiely?
Unless its a double whammy and those two are the new coaches!
Where is that statement? i havent seen it
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BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27777861
Pat Murphy states in this link
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The more I think about it, the more I like the thought of big Dick (so to speak).
If for nothing else, the players that would be interested in playing for us, because of his name above the door.
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So we have a 6 man list.Who are the other 5
Pugh (perhaps a joint appointment!), Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble and Grub
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Interesting and the new man can bring his own coaching staff in!
Allegedly!
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Pat Murphy states in this link
I don't believe that for a minute. I still think whoever comes in will really have to fight for the right to bring his own man in with him. Downing and Kiely should of been sacked a month ago when Mel went.
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Someone's made a Football manager journey of Tim Sherwood at West a Brom and apparently in July 2015 we get Djeko in on a free and spent £42m in the 2016/17 season. Nobody ever use Football manager as a benchmark for transfers again ;)
Just finished the video and Mancini takes over from Sherwood who is now manager of Israel. Hilarious.
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Its rumoured that Hodgson has spoken highly of Sherwood to the powers
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He certainly as
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I don't believe that for a minute. I still think whoever comes in will really have to fight for the right to bring his own man in with him. Downing and Kiely should of been sacked a month ago when Mel went.
Every head coach has been able to being someone in, maybe not a team of people but there hasn’t been one who hasn’t brought in at least one assistant or coach.
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Every head coach has been able to being someone in, maybe not a team of people but there hasn’t been one who hasn’t brought in at least one assistant or coach.
Pepe Mel! his only assistant was a translator from a local language school.
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Pepe Mel! his only assistant was a translator from a local language school.
Was it Gomez Mel brought in?
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Pepe Mel! his only assistant was a translator from a local language school.
He had David Gomez.
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That 6 man list will go down to a possible 3 of Sherwood, Hughton, Downing.
Pathetic, cheap, unimaginative, short term and shows the adventure of this 'Head Coach' role only appeals to second rate managers or first team coaches who fancy a bigger role picking a team.
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He had David Gomez.
Ahh yes he did (brains addled )
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That 6 man list will go down to a possible 3 of Sherwood, Hughton, Downing.
Pathetic, cheap, unimaginative, short term and shows the adventure of this 'Head Coach' role only appeals to second rate managers or first team coaches who fancy a bigger role picking a team.
Hughton has been ruled out on multiple occasions by the local media. Lets face it the only person we know who is certainly under consideration is Sherwood that is it the rest remain a mystery.
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That 6 man list will go down to a possible 3 of Sherwood, Hughton, Downing.
Pathetic, cheap, unimaginative, short term and shows the adventure of this 'Head Coach' role only appeals to second rate managers or first team coaches who fancy a bigger role picking a team.
and how do you know that?
Lets wait for the trial before we have a hanging
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There's not much point having this forum if expressing views about such things is pointless. If speculating about potential incoming coaches/players is pointless and reacting after they come in is pointless, it doesn't really leave us much to talk about does it?!
Not at all the sceptic in me just won't allow me to write off any qualified coach as a disaster in waiting nor embrace them as Corberan. I do not see the club as being perpetual crisis but I have seen club's engulfed by a wave of negativity on the basis of one particular appointment that strikes the wrong note with the fans McLeish at Villa stands out in my mind, where in truth McLeish was no better or worse than Lambert or anyone of half a dozen coaches Villa might have appointed. I would prefer to damp down the flames of unrealistic expectation either way.
Personally I don't believe the hype surrounding coaches in general but that is just me I know I am completely at odds with most fans on this and many other topics.
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That 6 man list will go down to a possible 3 of Sherwood, Hughton, Downing.
Pathetic, cheap, unimaginative, short term and shows the adventure of this 'Head Coach' role only appeals to second rate managers or first team coaches who fancy a bigger role picking a team.
Hughton has already been ruled out and there's no way in a million miles Downing will get the job - I'd put my mortgage on it. I reckon there are one or two names on that list that are left field and we might be surprised as they haven't been thought of or mentioned in the media yet, a bit like how the Mel and Schaaf links caught us all out on the hop.
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I really hope its Tim Sherwood, we need someone like him to give the players a kick up the backside unlike Mel who was too nice.
We need someone with PL experience, another foreign manager would be a huge risk.
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So we have now gone from a possible midweek appointment to 'by the end of the week'.
The club should have known who they wanted a day after the season finished seeing as though they wanted Mel out just after they appointed him.
I don't think the club reslise just how much work needs to be done this summer.
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I really hope its Tim Sherwood, we need someone like him to give the players a kick up the backside unlike Mel who was too nice.
We need someone with PL experience, another foreign manager would be a huge risk.
Tim Sherwood has about has much PL experience has PM had that being the case iv'd have sooner we stuck with PM. ???
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I really hope its Tim Sherwood, we need someone like him to give the players a kick up the backside unlike Mel who was too nice.
We need someone with PL experience, another foreign manager would be a huge risk.
What if the players go running off to Uncle Keith though and then he goes running to Jezza.
Problem is with our set up is that there is no ownership in these roles. The Head Coach probably has to check with his boss if it is ok to rollock one of his players.
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I think Dingle Keith maye be gone soon. Sherwood im sure would bring Les Ferdinand and Chris Ramsey with him.
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I really hope its Tim Sherwood, we need someone like him to give the players a kick up the backside unlike Mel who was too nice.
We need someone with PL experience, another foreign manager would be a huge risk.
If we needed to employ someone on the basis of kicking players up the backside we could just hire a very angry horse.
What's needed is someone with more extensive experience of management than Sherwood.
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You mean like Dingle Keith who will put his arms around the players and protect them from the nasty supporters whenever they don’t put a shift in???
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Whoever it is, even if not a fans favourite, needs to be given a fair chance in the job before we start berating them.
I wouldn't mind it being Sherwood, but I'm suspicious that his name is at the forefront of all reports coming out of there. Maybe paving the way for the 'left field' appointment
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Ronald Koeman WOW! Wouldn't he be fantastic?
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Ronald Koeman WOW! Wouldn't he be fantastic?
Not got any Premier League experience though...
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Its rumoured that Hodgson has spoken highly of Sherwood to the powers
Makes sense, Sherwood speaks highly of Roy in this piece for the Independent. Never a Sherwood fan but he comes across well in this and it actually reads like an interview for the West Brom job -
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/tim-sherwood-world-cup-2014-column-what-i-learnt-from-roy-hodgson-and-why-adam-lallana-raheem-sterling-and-jack-wilshere-should-play-against-italy-9504116.html
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Its rumoured that Hodgson has spoken highly of Sherwood to the powers
It was also rumoured 2 years ago that Hodgson spoke highly of Clarke.
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Why are people getting so worked up over not signing any players? ??? We can't buy any players until July 1st anyway, plus will there really be any transfer activity from any clubs whilst the world cup is on? The only signings teams are making are out of contract players. People need to relax a little and just go with the flow, we have a couple of months until the season starts anyway.
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The only place we'll be FLOWING devon is into the championship if we dont hit the ground running in terms of new players actually forming a TEAM, rather than 5 or 6 from last year and 4 or 5 complete strangers. That , my friend, is a recipe for disaster.
The sooner we can get any new signings integrated into the TEAM, and the structure of the team, the better.
JP at the moment looks like Nero fiddling while Rome burns >:(
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Why are people getting so worked up over not signing any players? ??? We can't buy any players until July 1st anyway, plus will there really be any transfer activity from any clubs whilst the world cup is on? The only signings teams are making are out of contract players. People need to relax a little and just go with the flow, we have a couple of months until the season starts anyway.
... and what has been the foundation of our recruitment process over the last few years... out of contract players. Think you've answered your own question.
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The only place we'll be FLOWING devon is into the championship if we dont hit the ground running in terms of new players actually forming a TEAM, rather than 5 or 6 from last year and 4 or 5 complete strangers. That , my friend, is a recipe for disaster.
The sooner we can get any new signings integrated into the TEAM, and the structure of the team, the better.
JP at the moment looks like Nero fiddling while Rome burns >:(
I understand what your'e saying mate, but we don't know what'll happen when the new head coach is appointed, for all we know they could have one massive burst of activity and get everything done within two weeks, like many people say i don't want us to to go down but i think theres not much point worrying about something which we can't control.
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... and what has been the foundation of our recruitment process over the last few years... out of contract players. Think you've answered your own question.
To be honest, if we learned anything from last season i would hope i don't think we'll be doing that again.
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It was also rumoured 2 years ago that Hodgson spoke highly of Clarke.
Clarke was a good appointment. The whole club was a shambles last season, unfair to blame Clarke who was sacked too early.
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Terry Butcher is available now 8) :o
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Not got any Premier League experience though...
Excuse me!
Teams managed:
1997–1998 Netherlands (assistant)
1998–2000 Barcelona (assistant)
2000–2001 Vitesse
2001–2005 Ajax
2005–2006 Benfica
2006–2007 PSV Eindhoven
2007–2008 Valencia
2009 AZ
2011–2014 Feyenoord
I will settle for no prem experience.
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In the know or having a guess?
Sumissing
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Clarke was a good appointment. The whole club was a shambles last season, unfair to blame Clarke who was sacked too early.
Clarke was never the right appointment and he should have been sacked at the end of last season
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Terry Butcher is available now 8) :o
thats the biggest laugh i have had on here in years, never in a million years
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Sherwoods blue and white pinstripe army!
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We finished 8th under Clarke. It's funny how most the same people who give Mel a let off based on off the field matters are generally the same people who seem to think Clarke was all to blame for everything. It's such nonsense to give Hodgson the credit for what Clarke did, if that's the case why did Moyes do so badly at Man Utd, should we blame Ferguson for that?
Clarke on the face of things probably deserved to be sacked when he was, but he was definitely not a bad appointment. He was messed around as much as anyone by the going's on behind the scenes, messed around on signings he didn't even want (though he certainly must take blame for the two worst, Anelka and Sinclair), and I find it unlikely we'd have done any worse than we ended up doing - we certainly were a lot more solid under him than we were after he left, and didn't concede set pieces every game.
This article I find quite worrying about Sherwood:
http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/28/tottenham-coach-les-ferdinand-insists-holding-midfielders-are-a-waste-of-time-4280699/
Maybe goes someway to explaining why they lost every game to teams better than them.
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I think Dingle Keith maye be gone soon. Sherwood im sure would bring Les Ferdinand and Chris Ramsey with him.
Not certain about Ferdinand as i thought when the pair of them were on with Kammy on the Sunday morning it was said that Spurs were looking for a position for him.
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We finished 8th under Clarke. It's funny how most the same people who give Mel a let off based on off the field matters are generally the same people who seem to think Clarke was all to blame for everything. It's such nonsense to give Hodgson the credit for what Clarke did, if that's the case why did Moyes do so badly at Man Utd, should we blame Ferguson for that?
Clarke on the face of things probably deserved to be sacked when he was, but he was definitely not a bad appointment. He was messed around as much as anyone by the going's on behind the scenes, messed around on signings he didn't even want (though he certainly must take blame for the two worst, Anelka and Sinclair), and I find it unlikely we'd have done any worse than we ended up doing - we certainly were a lot more solid under him than we were after he left, and didn't concede set pieces every game.
This article I find quite worrying about Sherwood:
http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/28/tottenham-coach-les-ferdinand-insists-holding-midfielders-are-a-waste-of-time-4280699/
Maybe goes someway to explaining why they lost every game to teams better than them.
He (Clarke) had more than a year longer at it than Pepe Mel.Pepe Mel was never given a chance.Clarke is totally to blame for us nearly going down not the fella who had nothing to work with
Oh and we finished 8th because of Lukaku.Clarke will not get another job in the premier league unless he brings a team up
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I must say I am not that impressed with the thought of appointing Sherwood, as whilst on the surface his very short record may appear impressive, it was on the back of a players 'revolt' against AVB. And thus that short impetus probably inflates what his true input was.
Plus the fact he had the common sense of using adebayor, who really wanted to put one over AVB as well.
Once the 'honey moon' was over it seems he then lost quite a lot of the dressing room, and the results started to falter, so I not sure we should be eyeing another 'novice' manager on the cheap, as these cheap options seem to be costing us dearly :o
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He (Clarke) had more than a year longer at it than Pepe Mel.Pepe Mel was never given a chance.Clarke is totally to blame for us nearly going down not the fella who had nothing to work with
Oh and we finished 8th because of Lukaku.Clarke will not get another job in the premier league unless he brings a team up
There was a lot of talk about Lukaku being a flop, he'd been massively unimpressive in English football. Even if the ridiculous notion of us only doing well because of Lukaku was true (and it's not, he only started 20 games), Clarke deserves great credit for putting him back on track as possibly Europe's best young striker.
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Clarke was never the right appointment and he should have been sacked at the end of last season
JP did the right thing allowing Clarke more time , what he got wrong was allowing Mcdonough to pull the strings on the majority of transfers . For instance Clarke had nothing to do with Lugano signing , I'm also pretty sure if Clarke hadn't been in charge we wouldn't have got Lukaku in the first place . Your constant Clarke bashing is getting a bit tiresome Jack , Mel should still be here IMO but at the same time i don't see teams beating his door down and am i right in saying he didn't get the Malaga or Espanyol job's ? . We will never know if Mel's style would have worked although i suspect not on the nature of the soft goals conceded and the number Betis let in too during his spell. To be honest both Clarke and Mel are long gone , time to start moving on whoever gets the gig.
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All signs point to Sherwood, for what its worth he was at the ground today. Being shown around perhaps?
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All signs point to Sherwood, for what its worth he was at the ground today. Being shown around perhaps?
Is that a fact
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6 people interviewed, all told to keep it quiet. 5 do it, 1 doesn't. If he can't manage that how can he manage a Premier League football team?
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Waiting with interest to see who else is on the shortlist.
All the evidence tells me so far is that either Sherwood was spotted going in to the interview or that someone in his camp has briefed the press, or that a journo asked the Albion outright about S and they didn't deny it.
Nothing really points to a 'done deal' for him until I hear otherwise.
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Is that a fact
There is a picture of him on the Sons of Albion Facebook page with JP. However being at the ground doesn't really mean much does it?
I imagine most of the candidates will have been there in the last day or two.
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There is a picture of him on the Sons of Albion Facebook page with JP. However being at the ground doesn't really mean much does it?
I imagine most of the candidates will have been there in the last day or two.
Mind you there is a debate now about whether the photo is at Albion. And looking again I don't think it's JP after all.
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I've had a look at the picture, it could well be genuine. There is a metal bar in the bottom of the picture as the camera looks down on the dugout area. This matches up with the corporate boxes in the Halfords as they have metal bars on the barriers outside the corporate boxes. The only thing that puts me off is that A) the dugout is in the sun which I don't think ever happens there and B) the dugout looks too big. It could easily be from Spurs, but could well be at the Hawthorns.
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That looks too bulky to be JP for my money.
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That looks too bulky to be JP for my money.
It's just his pockets are getting heavier ;D
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Doesn't look like either JP or Share Woods to me.
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Clarke was never the right appointment and he should have been sacked at the end of last season
There's only one Stevie Clarke, only one Stevie Clarke :D
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There's only one Stevie Clarke, only one Stevie Clarke :D
One Tim Sherwood theres only one Tim Sherwood
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TBH the more I read about him the more I'm warming to him.
At least he's got a bit of personality about him and seems to interview well, he can talk the talk just hope he can walk the walk
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Doesn't look like either JP or Share Woods to me.
Looks like Richard Garlick on the right
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That picture is garlick and jol/advocaat surely!
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For what it's worth Ronald Koeman's agent has confirmed that Koeman is on holiday and has not had any discussions with WBA.
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The final three was Sherwood,Hughton,Dyche. according to the Mail.Dyche would be the preferred choice followed by Sherwood(if nothing else he seems to think he's good
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If the Daily Mail is actually right (and I can't help but feel its probably conjecture with the other 2 names aside from Sherwood just guessed) surely Dyche would be by far and away the best option if he was actually interested?
I actually think Hughton would probably do a decent job here, his problems at Norwich seemed mainly related to poor recruitment which would be taken out of his hands here. It's funny, he topped a poll like the one on this thread when we got Clarke, and now he'd be seen as a disaster.
Sherwood would be by and away the biggest gamble and the least Jeremy Peace appointment going. He must be a brilliant interviewer to get this far.
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I really hope its Tim Sherwood,
We need someone with PL experience
I've never seen such a contradictory post in all my life.
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If the Daily Mail is actually right (and I can't help but feel its probably conjecture with the other 2 names aside from Sherwood just guessed) surely Dyche would be by far and away the best option if he was actually interested?
I actually think Hughton would probably do a decent job here, his problems at Norwich seemed mainly related to poor recruitment which would be taken out of his hands here. It's funny, he topped a poll like the one on this thread when we got Clarke, and now he'd be seen as a disaster.
Sherwood would be by and away the biggest gamble and the least Jeremy Peace appointment going. He must be a brilliant interviewer to get this far.
Agree with the above , always felt he was on a loser at Norwich going in after 3 attacking years under Lambert albeit mainly in the lower levels. One bad job doesn't make him a bad manager .
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Nigel pearson Sky/Talksport presenter and Albion fan has just said Tim Sherwood will be annouced our new head coach in the next 24 hours
That will do for me.Get in.All the best Pepe Mel
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He (Clarke) had more than a year longer at it than Pepe Mel.Pepe Mel was never given a chance.Clarke is totally to blame for us nearly going down not the fella who had nothing to work with
Oh and we finished 8th because of Lukaku.Clarke will not get another job in the premier league unless he brings a team up
I've never seen someone go to such lengths to vilify a manager who produced our most successful season in thirty years all so he can defend someone who's record with us ended up being worse than the man he replaced. I remember seeing a statistic during the close season saying that if we had taken away the goals of Lukaku we would have ended up finishing around 15th spot and that too would have been a successful season.
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I've never seen someone go to such lengths to vilify a manager who produced our most successful season in thirty years all so he can defend someone who's record with us ended up being worse than the man he replaced. I remember seeing a statistic during the close season saying that if we had taken away the goals of Lukaku we would have ended up finishing around 15th spot and that too would have been a successful season.
Lets just all get behind Tim Sherwood now Liam.
Clarke is long gone thank god.If you look at my posts when he first came i said he wouldnt last.Some people just take to different coaches in different ways.I never abused Clarke at a game might i ad only on here
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Tim Sherwoods blue and white pin stripe army!
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Tim Sherwoods blue and white pin stripe army!
No more Spanish flags just English :)
I will still follow Pepe Mels career though
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Nigel pearson Sky/Talksport presenter and Albion fan has just said Tim Sherwood will be annouced our new head coach in the next 24 hours
That will do for me.Get in.All the best Pepe Mel
This for me will be as underwhelming as the appointment of Mel. I honestly thought we may pull something good out of the bag this time. How deluded I must be. We are either totally unattractive or the powers that be really don't have a clue what they are doing.
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The final three was Sherwood,Hughton,Dyche. according to the Mail.Dyche would be the preferred choice followed by Sherwood(if nothing else he seems to think he's good
That really does make grim reading.
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Who were you expecting Mourinho? Guardiola?, Ferguson out of retirement maybe?
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I assume Downing will be on his way and Ferdinhand will be on his way too
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I assume Downing will be on his way and Ferdinhand will be on his way too
If it is Sherwood then there is one space vacated by Gomez.
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I have every confidence that Sherwood will be a top class appointment and that he will quickly silence his critics.
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If it is Sherwood then there is one space vacated by Gomez.
For some reason i cant see Downing and Sherwood getting on so my guess is Downing will leave
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They must be a different breed on facebook cant see any post not welcoming our Tim.Possibly 50/50 on here
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The pictures are too poor to know for sure. It could be Peace but the bald guy may actually have a bit of hair and may be too chubby to be Peace, although he is chubbier than he was a few years ago. The other man does look like Sherwood but it's still hard to tell. Could well be Garlick or someone else entirely.
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For some reason i cant see Downing and Sherwood getting on so my guess is Downing will leave
I think that's your choice rather than view given your large number of posts on Downing , personally I'd be looking to keep him in a role just in case things go wrong.
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This for me will be as underwhelming as the appointment of Mel. I honestly thought we may pull something good out of the bag this time. How deluded I must be. We are either totally unattractive or the powers that be really don't have a clue what they are doing.
Can we let this one manage a game before we judge him on anything? No, ok let's start looking for the next one then.
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The pictures are too poor to know for sure. It could be Peace but the bald guy may actually have a bit of hair and may be too chubby to be Peace, although he is chubbier than he was a few years ago. The other man does look like Sherwood but it's still hard to tell. Could well be Garlick or someone else entirely.
I think its John Simpson our press officer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GvPCAkhARc
First guy that introduces Mel in the press conference. Would make sense him showing Sherwood around.
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I think that's your choice rather than view given your large number of posts on Downing , personally I'd be looking to keep him in a role just in case things go wrong.
If you look when Clarke was sacked i was all for giving Downing the job then.Its time he moved on and we had a completely fresh approach.If it goes belly up then so be it but i am excited with Tim Sherwood and his backroom staff and a different artmosphere, a better one just like when Mel was here
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If you look when Clarke was sacked i was all for giving Downing the job then.Its time he moved on and we had a completely fresh approach.If it goes belly up then so be it but i am excited with Tim Sherwood and his backroom staff and a different artmosphere, a better one just like when Mel was here
As i said IF it's TS i'd be looking to keep Downing involved somewhere , especially with TS being a novice.
Many argue Downing got us out of trouble last year.
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Sherwood was the third favourite choice on here. Considering Moyes and Laudrup were always out of reach we can't really complain at this appointment.
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Can we let this one manage a game before we judge him on anything? No, ok let's start looking for the next one then.
. Hear hear ! Give the guy a chance
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Sherwood was the third favourite choice on here. Considering Moyes and Laudrup were always out of reach we can't really complain at this appointment.
Didnt really take much notice but you are correct. Maybe more than 50/50 then
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I hope so. I put £50 on it the other day!!
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The final three was Sherwood,Hughton,Dyche. according to the Mail.Dyche would be the preferred choice followed by Sherwood(if nothing else he seems to think he's good
Another invention of a news starved press.
If Dyche was this close to the Albion job - and I hope to heavens that he is not BTW - why would he a few days ago bid a measly £1m to take away one of our now very thin squad and so make his next job even harder ?
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I can't help but think we're taking a massive gamble with our Premier League future in appointing him.
I thought the job was crying out for a steady pair of hands.
There appears to have been an absolute dirge in candidates anyway so whoever was appointed would have came with baggage of some sort.
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And sorry but saying the club is a shambles for 'no sponsor and no kit' is so unbelievably stupid it's untrue - WE HAVE A KIT. It was designed last September. It's done, dusted, signed off, completed. It just hasn't launched. Why is that an issue? Why is the fact it hasn't launched in the first week of June a problem? It's not.
Sponsor? How do you know we haven't got one? Do you work for the club? What difference does it make? We spent two seasons without one and everyone loved not having a sponsor on the shirt. And again why does it matter to you that we haven't announced anything about a sponsor? Are you going to moan when that's launched too? Ridiculous.
You can criticise the club and be a supporter too. they are not mutually exclusive.
1. We might HAVE (not sure why you used capitals there? but I have done the same) A KIT. But the fact is we have read conflicting Press Releases which have indicated we are getting a NEW KIT. This has been handled poorly.
2. If its ready why not release it? People won't buy the OLD KIT, if they know a NEW KIT is coming. The sooner you release the NEW KIT the more sales you make. Chelski have been doing it for years.
3. If we have got a sponsor, let's get on with it and update the fans that it is all in hand. Better communications with the fans, leads to greater loyalty and inclination to spend more money on the club. Why defend the club for delaying any announcement? Of course we all know that a sponsor ISN'T LINED UP . It wasn't so long ago we had NO SPONSOR AT ALL.
4. Do you think that over the last 12 months, the commercial department, whose salaries add up to over £3- £4m, have given value to the club? No. If the fans can't scrutinise the board's decisions on messageboards what hope do we have?
I don't see the problem in criticising the club, if they haven't delivered.
Whoever the sponsor, coach, or kit is, I will support the decision of the board.
But for the love of god GET ON WITH IT!!!!
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I would be happy with this appointment, we need strong characters to sort out some of our players and Sherwood and Ferdinand are certainly that type.
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I would be happy with this appointment, we need strong characters to sort out some of our players and Sherwood and Ferdinand are certainly that type.
Me too, young, hungry and a bit of character.
I think it would be a decent appointment.
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Sherwood it is.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-vacancy-tim-7248125
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Has something come out in the past hour or something? Everyone is talking like he has basically got the job.
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Sherwood it is.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-vacancy-tim-7248125
Answered my question as I was writing it! This is a top appointment.
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I would be happy with this appointment, we need strong characters to sort out some of our players and Sherwood and Ferdinand are certainly that type.
I agree. I would support them 100%. I think they could be successful. However big question mark remains on whether Sherwood can set us up to be difficult to beat, but also install imagination up front.
I'd prefer Sherwood to most.
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This has softened the blow of Pepe Mel leaving.Welcome Tim.Now lets all get behind him ;D
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I'm still hoping its not true.
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I will be glad to see us get someone appointed and I will support Sherwood if/when he is announced but I do have some quite reservations about him. His record at Spurs was very good and his reputation as an academy coach was a decent one.
However, there are still big question marks over his man management and his ability to set up against 'better sides' (of which we face a lot more than Spurs). Spurs got torn apart in all of their games against stronger sides, mainly because of Sherwood insistence on playing a high defensive line. I always worry whether his outspoken nature will cause a lot of problems.
He's far from a dreadful appointment, but there is a fair amount for him to prove too.
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I'm still hoping its not true.
I doubt it mate , trouble is who else was there ?
Didn't even seem to get linked with that many this time , can't help feeling this will end in tears.
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Huge gamble if correct,
Lets get behind him if he joins
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Sumissing
Not looking like a great guess right now mate. ;)
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I doubt it mate , trouble is who else was there ?
Didn't even seem to get linked with that many this time , can't help feeling this will end in tears.
True, maybe best of a bad bunch, I will get behind him and the team but as you say I can’t see this ending well for so many reasons.
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5 weeks for that. What a joke still making the same mistakes
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Just posted the question on the official westbrom.com twitter about Tim Sherwood.
I asked people to retweet if they would be happy with his appointment.
In just under ten minutes it's received 26 Retweets so far.
Follow us if you don't already - @westbromcom
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Until Sherwood is officially appointed I'm still holding out hope for Neil Lennon.
Easily the most impressive candidate. The Scottish and Ginger Mourinho
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Why did we get rid of Mel to bring in Sherwood?
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Why did we get rid of Mel to bring in Sherwood?
Good point Pepe Mel should have been given his contract period.I am sure the players would agree now :)
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Why did we get rid of Mel to bring in Sherwood?
The Mel thing has gone now the same with Clarke. Lets forget all that and concentrate on supporting the new guy whoever he is. There is nothing to be gained by constantly bellyaching and / or going over old ground.
IF Tim Sherwood IS the man, get behind him and the club. If supporters are fighting the club opposing teams are going to be 1-0 up before we kick off.
Get behind the club, make the Hawthorns a venue teams don't want to come to. Together we can all go forward, if we're divided we have no chance.
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Why did we get rid of Mel to bring in Sherwood?
We got rid of Mel because he wasn't any good.
At least Sherwood will have the balls to stand up to some of our players.
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Why did we get rid of Mel to bring in Sherwood?
Because the players were revolting ;D
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Because the players were revolting ;D
Interesting indeed :)
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As i said IF it's TS i'd be looking to keep Downing involved somewhere , especially with TS being a novice.
Time for a fresh, new start on the coaching front in my view. Downing's relationship with the players is too comfortable and cosy. His continuing presence led to Pepe Mel being undermined and we could end up with coaching factions and a toxic atmosphere at the club if we're not very careful. Downing's had a good run but, after such a narrow scrape last season, I think it's time to shake things up now and for him to go and try to prove himself somewhere else.
Many argue Downing got us out of trouble last year.
I've seen some argue that, but I haven't seen that it was many.
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Why did we get rid of Mel to bring in Sherwood?
Is a fantastic question that we will never know the answer to. There's a number of us pretty mad that he didn't get a proper chance, but I DO think Atomic is absolutely right in that we have to behind WHO(Tim)EVER comes in and properly unite.
The biggest asset this club has is its passionate supporters. We DO need to all look forward now.
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I think my decision not to renew will be vindicated should the worst happen and Sherwood is appointed.
Never mind, chances are he'll only be here for 18 months or so.
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The Mel thing has gone now the same with Clarke. Lets forget all that and concentrate on supporting the new guy whoever he is. There is nothing to be gained by constantly bellyaching and / or going over old ground.
IF Tim Sherwood IS the man, get behind him and the club. If supporters are fighting the club opposing teams are going to be 1-0 up before we kick off.
Get behind the club, make the Hawthorns a venue teams don't want to come to. Together we can all go forward, if we're divided we have no chance.
I think Mel was the right man just the wrong time similar to Valero. Still sore for me the way Mel was treated.
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Get behind the club, make the Hawthorns a venue teams don't want to come to. Together we can all go forward, if we're divided we have no chance.
I don't recall you practising what you preach when Pepe Mel was here! :P
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I think my decision not to renew will be vindicated should the worst happen and Sherwood is appointed.
Never mind, chances are he'll only be here for 18 months or so.
Thats a long time for JP
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I think Mel was the right man just the wrong time similar to Valero. Still sore for me the way Mel was treated.
That's fine I understand that and I know you are not the only one.
Now, though, it's time to let it go. Nothing will change the past but we can all affect the future. That's what we have to concentrate on now.
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I don't recall you practising what you preach when Pepe Mel was here! :P
Ah ah nice one :)
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Sherwood it is.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-vacancy-tim-7248125
The headline is categorical enough, but the wording of the article seems less so to me. There often seems to be a disparity between the headline and the body text in the local sports stories, because they're written by different people. In this instance, the article says "No one has yet been offered the job but the interview process is now complete and Albion are confident of naming their man", whatever that means!
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Why did we get rid of Mel to bring in Sherwood?
Maybe Mel was too soft? I hope if this is confirmed that Sherwood proves to be another Megson type appointment, to come in and sort the dressing room out. it sounds like he might be that type of coach.
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I don't recall you practising what you preach when Pepe Mel was here! :P
It got to the stage where Mel's position was untenable it would've done no good to keep Mel at the club.
I would rather not keep going over this though, it's done and dusted, there is no benefit at all in keep going on about it.
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Time for a fresh, new start on the coaching front in my view. Downing's relationship with the players is too comfortable and cosy. His continuing presence led to Pepe Mel being undermined and we could end up with coaching factions and a toxic atmosphere at the club if we're not very careful. Downing's had a good run but, after such a narrow scrape last season, I think it's time to shake things up now and for him to go and try to prove himself somewhere else.
I've seen some argue that, but I haven't seen that it was many.
Each to their own , as one of the Mel brigade there really isn't much point debating with you.
There's no proof his presence undermined Mel , the players themselves did that.
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Why did we get rid of Mel to bring in Sherwood?
I really dont get this Mel love in? I get that he had a rough ride but the bloke was like a deer in headlights. He showed no evidence that he was anygood
Your replacing him with a bloke who has been at a top 6 premier league side and got there highest ever premier league win ratio. Surely thats a step forward from Mel
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I think Mel was the right man just the wrong time similar to Valero. Still sore for me the way Mel was treated.
With you on that. Mel should have been treated better and we should still have him at the helm.
However we are where we are and we have to move forward from here, whoever the new man is.
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I really dont get this Mel love in? I get that he had a rough ride but the bloke was like a deer in headlights. He showed no evidence that he was anygood
Your replacing him with a bloke who has been at a top 6 premier league side and got there highest ever premier league win ratio. Surely thats a step forward from Mel
If Tim Sherwood was a German called Tim Schermüd people would be drooling over the potential appointment. :D
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Why did we get rid of Mel to bring in Sherwood?
because Mel was tactically naive and apparently unable to change the attitude of lethargy that had established itself within the dressing room. Sherwood has of yet much to prove but i do feel he wont stand idly by and watch the shenanigans of last season re emerge. I for one would much rather have him in charge than the Hughtons, McKays, and other of the safe pair of hands ilk.
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The headline is categorical enough, but the wording of the article seems less so to me. There often seems to be a disparity between the headline and the body text in the local sports stories, because they're written by different people. In this instance, the article says "No one has yet been offered the job but the interview process is now complete and Albion are confident of naming their man", whatever that means!
Steve Madeley's said nothing, not sure I am confident in the Mail when CL's not there.
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Your replacing him with a bloke who has been at a top 6 premier league side and got there highest ever premier league win ratio.
People keep quoting this win ratio stat, but not mentioning that Tottenham also lost 10 times whilst he was head coach, and it should have been 11 times if we hadn't given away a pathetic goal at the end.
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Really still can't believe the Mel love in either. We have a new coach, young with something to prove, now lets stop all the moaning and get behind him. He will take no rubbish, demand 100% and will take part in coaching, give team talks and gain respect. 8 or 9 players to sign so lets me optimistic FFS.........COYB
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Lads it's a new start . If its sherwood then let's get behind the chap . We need a fresh start and it's now up to Jeremy to back him and let's see some half decent signings .4 fullbacks a centre half a bloody good winger and somebody who knows where the net is . Let's have a little look at a certain Romulu , if he ain't gone already .
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People keep quoting this win ratio stat, but not mentioning that Tottenham also lost 10 times whilst he was head coach, and it should have been 11 times if we hadn't given away a pathetic goal at the end.
3 pathetic goals to be honest , Sherwood's quote about not believing in Centre Midfielders worries me along with a few other bits.
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agreed Charliemike, can you see the board if we sign Adebayor....
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Mel is and was marvellous for galvanizing the fans and bringing back an atmosphere but fullly behind our Tim now.I would definitely have renewed my ticket on the back of this but i did anyway
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Each to their own , as one of the Mel brigade there really isn't much point debating with you.
Let's just say I don't easily forgive people being despicably treated. It's not the fault of the new head coach at all, but I blame everyone who was close to it for it happening, and that includes Downing and Kiely. I'll be mortified if both of them are kept on. Downing certainly has to have a significant share of the blame for our pathetic playing record since November 2012, not to mention the fact that we've barely been able to take a decent corner throughout his time here.
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I think by Christmas we will know whether this pending appointment was good enough, just about the time we will continue the search for another manager. By then we should have interviewed everyone in football.
To be honest, we have 10 players to bring in capable enough of competing in the prem, that's probably more important than the coach who puts them on the pitch.
I do think Sherwood maybe brought in to bring the youth through though.
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Very disappointed personally. Yes you could say Sherwood is young, ambitious, has fresh ideas, decent playing career, respected in the industry for his methods, commands discipline. But is this what WBA need? A bloke who is out spoken, will more than likely upset some if not most of the players, has little managerial experience, is unproven, says stupid things to the press, has no ideas to turn it around when in a run of bad results, imo won't be able to handle the pressure of a relegation dog fight, won't attract any new players looking to develop their career.
When he slagged Spurs players off after losing to Chelsea he won't be able to do that at the albion because we are miles away from the quality of Spurs. We don't have a strong enough squad for him to pi*s off our best players. He talks about not playing the players who aren't proud to wear the badge, well fu*k me what a fu*k up that will be at our club. Once he's fell out with Sess, Olsson, Yacob, Berahino, who's he going to play!?
If he turns it around then i'll be happy as Larry, but I just can't see him lasting. He'l be gone by Jan. While he's here i'll support him but fu*k me i'm annoyed we're taking a risk on a number 2 AGAIN. When will we learn!?
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Well, at least maybe with a pre-season behind him Sherwood may have a bit more organisation about him than appeared to be the case at Spurs.
Teams like us live and die by organisation though. You simply cannot expect to go out and win games whilst being unorganised, its absolutely critical to any relegation fearing team. Teams like Spurs will win games on the strength of individual talents, though not against the very top teams, we won't have that luxury. Hopefully the failure against technically better teams will have changed his views about defensive midfielders.
Also quite concerned just how poor the Spurs defence ended up going after AVB left when they were once very solid. I realise scoring goals was a problem for them and he did well changing that, but it mirrors a very similar problem we had here after Clarke left that the defence became exceedingly poor.
Still his commitment to younger players is admirable, it'll be nice to see some trust the likes of Berahino over inferior older players, whilst someone so un-Peace like must surely have showed themselves in an extensive interview process to have a bit more behind them than a sound bite and a love for 4-4-2.
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I still don't think Sherwood will even want the Albion job. He's had a taste of success with a top 6 club. Whoever is appointed by JP will be in for a very hard slog just to stay in the Premier League next season. We desperately need another top class striker, a winger, a couple of half-decent midfield play-makers, and a couple of good full-backs. That's half a team....and knowing us they're all going to have to be short term loanees. Would Sherwood accept that sort of prospect? I personally doubt it.
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I still don't think Sherwood will even want the Albion job. He's had a taste of success with a top 6 club. Whoever is appointed by JP will be in for a very hard slog just to stay in the Premier League next season. We desperately need another top class striker, a winger, a couple of half-decent midfield play-makers, and a couple of good full-backs. That's half a team....and knowing us they're all going to have to be short term loanees. Would Sherwood accept that sort of prospect? I personally doubt it.
Sorry to dissapoint you mate, but he does, and he's got it.. ::)
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I still don't think Sherwood will even want the Albion job. He's had a taste of success with a top 6 club. Whoever is appointed by JP will be in for a very hard slog just to stay in the Premier League next season. We desperately need another top class striker, a winger, a couple of half-decent midfield play-makers, and a couple of good full-backs. That's half a team....and knowing us they're all going to have to be short term loanees. Would Sherwood accept that sort of prospect? I personally doubt it.
and how is he going to get another top 6 job? by proving himself at the Albion maybe
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I think Tim Sherwood is exactly what we need, and really hope the media speculation about an imminent appointment turns out to be true.
As for other issues discussed on the thread, I feel some of the critical comments about Keith Downing are both unfair and unjust and descriptions of "Dingle Downing" are desperately pitiful about a hard working dedicated long term employee who played a key role in our survival and unfortunately is an easy target for some to take their frustration out on.
Jeremy Peace made the recent statement on the official site, reflecting on the issues of last season and the aspirations for the future and let's judge the clubs actions on the back of that statement as we get nearer to the start of the season, not in early June.
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Sherwood wasn't my choice but if it's him I'll back him all the way.
Yeah he's been a bit mouthy, but he'll have learned a lot through his mistakes. And the Albion will be less of a media spotlight for him than Spurs. Fewer chances to make gaffes.
If he brings Les Ferdinand in with him they you get the added nous of one of the best Premier League era strikers, which can only be a good thing to help our attackers.
That said, I will only start to feel cautiously optimistic about things if and when we get some decent signings in and have a settled first 11 by the end of August.
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Very disappointed personally. Yes you could say Sherwood is young, ambitious, has fresh ideas, decent playing career, respected in the industry for his methods, commands discipline. But is this what WBA need? A bloke who is out spoken, will more than likely upset some if not most of the players, has little managerial experience, is unproven, says stupid things to the press, has no ideas to turn it around when in a run of bad results, imo won't be able to handle the pressure of a relegation dog fight, won't attract any new players looking to develop their career.
When he slagged Spurs players off after losing to Chelsea he won't be able to do that at the albion because we are miles away from the quality of Spurs. We don't have a strong enough squad for him to pi*s off our best players. He talks about not playing the players who aren't proud to wear the badge, well fu*k me what a fu*k up that will be at our club. Once he's fell out with Sess, Olsson, Yacob, Berahino, who's he going to play!?
If he turns it around then i'll be happy as Larry, but I just can't see him lasting. He'l be gone by Jan. While he's here i'll support him but fu*k me i'm annoyed we're taking a risk on a number 2 AGAIN. When will we learn!?
You don't sound very supportive!
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Also quite concerned just how poor the Spurs defence ended up going after AVB left when they were once very solid. I realise scoring goals was a problem for them and he did well changing that, but it mirrors a very similar problem we had here after Clarke left that the defence became exceedingly poor.
Line was too high, we'll be in big trouble, we did score 3 against them...
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I think by Christmas we will know whether this pending appointment was good enough, just about the time we will continue the search for another manager. By then we should have interviewed everyone in football.
To be honest, we have 10 players to bring in capable enough of competing in the prem, that's probably more important than the coach who puts them on the pitch.
I do think Sherwood maybe brought in to bring the youth through though.
Can't see us bringing in anything like ten new players.
By my reckoning we currently have 15 senior pros and has JP talked in the past of an ideal squad size of 21 ? The U21's like O'Neil, Roofe etc then make that up to 25.
So six signings - two strikers, three full backs and probably a central defender.
No more midfield players we already have 8 in our current 15: Brunt, Dorrans, Thorne, Sessegnon, Mulumbu, Yacob, Morrison and Gardner.
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Well I'm pleased if it is to be Sherwood. I think he is passionate, I think he cares and I think he's confident. That's Pepe Mel with confidence. Look at the realistic alternatives. I think what we have to worry about more is him being poached if he does well with us. That's our dilemma, most managers we appoint will fail as we don't have the resources of others and if they succeed we don't have the resources to keep them. Come on lets get behind him. perhaps all the doubters will feel better when we sign some players. That may give a better indication of the upcoming season.
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Mel is and was marvellous for galvanizing the fans and bringing back an atmosphere but fullly behind our Tim now.I would definitely have renewed my ticket on the back of this but i did anyway
Was that Mel though?
In my view it was more down to the fact everybody got behind the underdog who was having a rough time. Mel didnt really do anything, people just wanted to see him do well because he seemed a decent bloke and was getting screwed over by the players and the club.
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Well I have to say that I'm not overwhelmed but then again I wasn't by RDM or Clarke.
I will give TS my full support and I earnestly hope he brings Les Ferdinand with him.
The club needs a major lift and TS / Terry Burton & LF as a united team will have a far better chance of achieving a step change than Pep was allowed.
Let them quickly bring in some new faces (hopefully a marquee one) on the playing staff quickly and we will hopefully see a significant buzz around the place.
Anyone take Rio for a year, with MUFC paying his wages!
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I am quite happy with this really. Sherwood was my second choice after Moyes and I am far happier having Tim Sherwood than Chris Hughton. I'm not too concerned with him been outspoken I think a lot of our players have had an easy ride for a long time now and last season caught up with them.
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If you ask me, we should have bought in a manager this time around, complete with his own coaching staff. We should have had one vision, one path on which to set the club. Then we could have bought in a young assistant manager to learn the ropes, and revert to the current set-up when we were in a healthier place.
It sounds as though we have so many people working against each other rather than with each other, and no universal vision (which used to come from Dan Ashworth). Maybe we should have taken a step back to go forward again.
As for Sherwood, it strikes me that he thinks tactics are those little mints. He doesn't seem defensively sound, and doesn't seem to recognise problems with his own team unless they are glaringly obvious. And I still don't think he is qualified, is he?
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Couple of things to take in to account.
It's not just TS. Its Burton + Sherwood + (Ferdinand?) + Downing. Together I think that's a viable team moving forwards.
I also think it's a shrewd appt in that we've (the fans) been crying out for a manager that connects with the fans for quite a while.
TS will speak his mind, but I think as long as he can become a little more diplomatic, his honesty will be a big hit with the fans. Rather that than the media trained, boring hits like Steve Clarke, RDM etc.
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I'll support the bloke, but I think this is going to end in catastrophe. I'll give it until half way through the transfer window until he and JP have a falling out.
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I'll support the bloke, but I think this is going to end in catastrophe. I'll give it until half way through the transfer window until he and JP have a falling out.
that long, huh?
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I'll support the bloke, but I think this is going to end in catastrophe. I'll give it until half way through the transfer window until he and JP have a falling out.
Mel wouldn't hurt a fly and JP fell out with him so I'm not sure what kind of manager you would like?
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Thats a long time for JP
To be fair, in his time as chairman (12 years), if you do not take into account "caretaker " managers hasn't he only dismissed 5 managers of which two were this season? (Megson, Robson, Di Matteo, Clarke and Mel). Mowbray walked to Celtic and Hodgson England?
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Couple of things to take in to account.
It's not just TS. Its Burton + Sherwood + (Ferdinand?) + Downing. Together I think that's a viable team moving forwards.
I also think it's a shrewd appt in that we've (the fans) been crying out for a manager that connects with the fans for quite a while.
TS will speak his mind, but I think as long as he can become a little more diplomatic, his honesty will be a big hit with the fans. Rather that than the media trained, boring hits like Steve Clarke, RDM etc.
I'd like to think he has learned from his Tottenham experience. Can't help thinking that he spoke out like he did because he knew he was a dead man walking for several months. If he wants a career in management, and he's only 45, then he will know that he's got to address his outspokenness in order to progress. Maybe Ferdinand will advise him in that respect, because its his job as well which will be on the line.
It goes worry me though that Sherwood doesn't yet have his coaching badges. These are mandatory after a period of grace and I suspect yes already had that grace at Tottenham. Its possible of course that he is doing them right now.
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I could be going mad, but I think the wording of the Birmingham Mail headline article has been changed from Sherwood "will be the new Baggies boss" to Sherwood "is set to be the new Baggies boss", which introduces more doubt into it IMO.
Meanwhile, the E&S is running a story saying that we haven't decided on anyone yet:
Link: Express & Star (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2014/06/10/no-new-albion-boss-yet-club-insists/)
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I'd like to think he has learned from his Tottenham experience. Can't help thinking that he spoke out like he did because he knew he was a dead man walking for several months. If he wants a career in management, and he's only 45, then he will know that he's got to address his outspokenness in order to progress. Maybe Ferdinand will advise him in that respect, because its his job as well which will be on the line.
It goes worry me though that Sherwood doesn't yet have his coaching badges. These are mandatory after a period of grace and I suspect yes already had that grace at Tottenham. Its possible of course that he is doing them right now.
It doesn't bother me in the slightest whether he has coaching badges or not. These badges are a bit like exam passes they mean bugger all in reality and certainly don't mean you will be good in any particular job.
See the voting list at the top of the page, practically all of them will have their coaching badges yet half of them couldn't coach a fly to buzz round pooh.
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http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2014/rene-girard-held-unsuccessful-west-brom-talks/
Havent heard this name before
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For all you doubters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foYXM3_yaR4&feature=youtu.be
Tell me how this attitude won't help our team.
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I'll support the bloke, but I think this is going to end in catastrophe. I'll give it until half way through the transfer window until he and JP have a falling out.
The Manager and the Chairman have differing Agendas and are always going to clash. The Manager wants certain players with costs secondary and the Chairman has to keep the Club solvent. There have been plenty of examples in recent years of other Clubs getting into severe difficulties through the Manager's uncontrolled spending. However much the manager mumps that is not going to happen at Albion whilst JP is here and for all his other faults we should be thankful for that.
As far as I am aware the only manager Albion have had in JP's time who was on speaking terms with him when he left was Roy and someone will now probably come on here and disabuse me of that.
So the same will happen with Sherwood - if it is he - and as others have said it is just a matter of how long the harmony lasts.
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For all you doubters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foYXM3_yaR4&feature=youtu.be
Tell me how this attitude won't help our team.
Got to confess sounds like the kicking attitude we need...
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The Manager and the Chairman have differing Agendas and are always going to clash. The Manager wants certain players with costs secondary and the Chairman has to keep the Club solvent. There have been plenty of examples in recent years of other Clubs getting into severe difficulties through the Manager's uncontrolled spending. However much the manager mumps that is not going to happen at Albion whilst JP is here and for all his other faults we should be thankful for that.
As far as I am aware the only manager Albion have had in JP's time who was on speaking terms with him when he left was Roy and someone will now probably come on here and disabuse me of that.
So the same will happen with Sherwood - if it is he - and as others have said it is just a matter of how long the harmony lasts.
You're right there will doubtless be tension over spending but I would assume there would be discussions on this at the late stages of the recruitment. Reading between the lines I think Peace wants to see more return on the academy investment. Now that there are a few more possibles for breaking through obviously Berahino, Thorne, but also O'Neil, Adil Nabi, if hopefully fully fit , possibly Garmston. It could be JP sees Sherwood as someone that will be happy to buy into that
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If it is Sherwood I think my main question to ask is why it's taken so long as usual, he was one of the first names to be linked with the post and it's not like we have had to talk to a club etc, could have been done a lot quicker IMO. That said I hope we find out at some point who the other 5 members of the shortlist were
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I think the Brum Mail have changed their headline, which definitely makes it sound less sure than a few hours ago. I really hope this doesn't go past tomorrow!!
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People keep quoting this win ratio stat, but not mentioning that Tottenham also lost 10 times whilst he was head coach, and it should have been 11 times if we hadn't given away a pathetic goal at the end.
Didn't he have the worst loss ratio as any Spurs manager in recent times as well? Sure I heard that stat on the radio recently, not many draws I guess.
Something like a 42% loss ratio...
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If it is Sherwood I think my main question to ask is why it's taken so long as usual, he was one of the first names to be linked with the post and it's not like we have had to talk to a club etc, could have been done a lot quicker IMO. That said I hope we find out at some point who the other 5 members of the shortlist were
as the rene girard link shows.. of course we've had to talk to clubs for various other applicants.
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True, maybe best of a bad bunch, I will get behind him and the team but as you say I can’t see this ending well for so many reasons. What are you on about "Best of a bad bunch" suppose we could have made a move for Kenny Jacket . Young,Enthusiastic,Succesfull some folk could moan for England
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Didn't he have the worst loss ratio as any Spurs manager in recent times as well? Sure I heard that stat on the radio recently, not many draws I guess.
Something like a 42% loss ratio...
He won 58% so he'd have to have drawn no games.
Just checked and he has a loss ratio of 27%. Which is by no means the worst. Hoddle has 44%, Ramos has a loss rate of 40% and Jol of 33%
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Having a look through the various articles about Sherwoods imminent appointment, there is actually very little that actually suggest it will be him. Both local papers have articles that state the club have to offer it to anyone, and neither have said for sure that Sherwood will be offered the job (despite a very defiant and misleading Birmingham Mail headline).
All the articles say is that he impressed in his interview and we hope to make a decision tomorrow, but they all stop short of saying that he will be offered the job. He may well get it but there seems to be an assumption it's his already which is far as I can tell is based on very little genuine information.
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i thought we were after a coach with premiership experience that must now mean a couple of games, i will get behind whoever we appoint. but a good manager his someone who gets a team to play well when its in a slump not when its doing well . time will tell .but the even bigger point this summer is peace to part with the cash and get quality in otherwise we are doomed before we start
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Quick...being discussed on talkpoo now.
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He won 58% so he'd have to have drawn no games.
Just checked and he has a loss ratio of 27%. Which is by no means the worst. Hoddle has 44%, Ramos has a loss rate of 40% and Jol of 33%
Win ratio of 50%, he lost 10 games from 28 which is more than 27%
Played 28
Won 14
Drawn 4
Lost 10
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In follow up to my previous post I have another concern over the rumours. Every news outlet that thinks it will be Sherwood has also stated that we will make a decision tomorrow. If the club don't decide until tomorrow, how could they possibly know who we will choose?
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Sorry everyone...the interview was with some bloke from the Daily Stale. No news here..nothing to learn...please move on.
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No more midfield players we already have 8 in our current 15: Brunt, Dorrans, Thorne, Sessegnon, Mulumbu, Yacob, Morrison and Gardner.
So, apart from Brunt, who would our other wide players be from that little lot?
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Whilst I don't want him, of course I'd support Sherwood fully if he were to get the job.
I can't help but feel for all his short-comings, he often hides it under the veil of "I'm passionate and don't like dossers" approach. Whilst I agree with this idea, obviously there's more to football management than that.
In the two games we played against him last year we drew twice, and he had a far superior team. So, he had players who were lazy? Guess what, so did we.
In the first game under Downing we went 5 at the back and it was a bit unorthodox. I remember we went 1-0 down due to a sublime Eriksen free-kick, but that was their only chance for the entire game, whilst we squandered various (Vydra on a 1 vs 1, Lugano sliding in and Gera sliding in too). So basically whilst we were poor in terms of quality, it was clear Downing (yes, Downing!) strategically out-classed Sherwood and stopped Spurs from any real attacks, even though they did get lots of possession.
The second game with Mel was completely different, there were loads of chances and either team could have won it. However, the defending for the 1st and 2nd goals from Sherwood was atrocious. They were very similar and both times the defenders were completely disorganised. His response? Claiming they "started the game at 1-0 down" as if our first goal wasn't his fault, and has how he "thought he'd win it at 3-0 down". Sorry but I don't buy into him.
Basically, he's a good character but he hasn't got the ability to be a good manager at this level.
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Whilst I don't want him, of course I'd support Sherwood fully if he were to get the job.
I can't help but feel for all his short-comings, he often hides it under the veil of "I'm passionate and don't like dossers" approach. Whilst I agree with this idea, obviously there's more to football management than that.
In the two games we played against him last year we drew twice, and he had a far superior team. So, he had players who were lazy? Guess what, so did we.
In the first game under Downing we went 5 at the back and it was a bit unorthodox. I remember we went 1-0 down due to a sublime Eriksen free-kick, but that was their only chance for the entire game, whilst we squandered various (Vydra on a 1 vs 1, Lugano sliding in and Gera sliding in too). So basically whilst we were poor in terms of quality, it was clear Downing (yes, Downing!) strategically out-classed Sherwood and stopped Spurs from any real attacks, even though they did get lots of possession.
The second game with Mel was completely different, there were loads of chances and either team could have won it. However, the defending for the 1st and 2nd goals from Sherwood was atrocious. They were very similar and both times the defenders were completely disorganised. His response? Claiming they "started the game at 1-0 down" as if our first goal wasn't his fault, and has how he "thought he'd win it at 3-0 down". Sorry but I don't buy into him.
Basically, he's a good character but he hasn't got the ability to be a good manager at this level.
Maybe. We're about to find out it would seem.
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The biggest problem i se with appointing Tim Sherwood is his lack of pedigree or experience. I actually struggle to see what in terms of experience or nouse he brings to the drawing board that (for example) Steve Clarke didnt bring.
As for the players - I believe the expression is 'you earn respect, not demand it'> Hodgson had enough about him to say been there, done that I've earned it, just because Sherwood may shout loud doesn't mean he will get the same
really feel given the squad/position we are led to believe we are in a coach that on the balance of powers probably has earned the right to be called head coach os what we need
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The Obvious choice in my mind based on some of the criteria set by club was go try for Moyes. A safe pair of hands, many years experience in this league and one could go on and on. However, was likely a long shot that appears like it's not going to happen. For some bizarre nagging reason the whole sensible, safe and possible great appointment of Moyes just didn't and still doesn't excite me. Maybe it's just the many appointments over the years have dulled the whole experience combine with knowing what the appointment would likely bring.
Is Sherwood the curve ball? He appears to have a reputation of a good coach, which fits with the club structure. He does lack premiership managerial and coaching experience over a sustained period. He appears to want the job. He is a proven winner as a player and appears to have a real desire, passion and straight forward direct style . He bizzarely reminds me of a young scot who went on to gain a lot of managerial experience and didn't do too bad. The more I consider the options that were realistic the more I am warming to this likely appointment. Any appointment is a risk and if Sherwood get the opportunity this is definately not the usual safe appointment by peace but I think it will be quite exciting.
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It doesn't bother me in the slightest whether he has coaching badges or not. These badges are a bit like exam passes they mean bugger all in reality and certainly don't mean you will be good in any particular job.
See the voting list at the top of the page, practically all of them will have their coaching badges yet half of them couldn't coach a fly to buzz round poo.
It only bothers me that he doesn't have his coaching badges because its an FA requirement, and if he doesn't get them soon then the club cannot continue to employ him in the head coach role and we would be back to where we started!
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I've had a couple of private txt's early this morning in Australia saying that Tim Sherwood will be appointed today.
I'm not an ITK guy but I believe that it will be the case after receiving these messages.
I'm in 2 minds about Tim but I think that he will sort the dressing room out and bring the youngsters on.
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Appointing Sherwood will not be the 'safe pair of hands' many posters allude to, but one of the success stories in the Premiership during the past few years have been Swansea City, who have gone down the same route that we are planning. They recently appointed a long serving player, Gary Monk, as their manager and prior to that they gave the job to Roberto Martinez, also a player at the time, and to Brendan Rogers, who had been sacked by Reading. We all know how revered Martinez and Rogers are now in the league and in 12 months time I can see us struggling to keep hold of Sherwood because of the success he will have brought us.
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If it is "Timmy Boy" at least he will feel right at home with our new kit, which looks identical to the Spuds from 3 feet away...
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Give the guy a break... He's won a premier league title! I trust his youth policy and his team selections, turned Tottenham from rubbish to decent within 2 weeks!! I'm sure he can manage a few prima donna's!
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Win ratio of 50%, he lost 10 games from 28 which is more than 27%
Played 28
Won 14
Drawn 4
Lost 10
It's widely reported his win ratio is 59% so it seems your stat includes cup games of which he won 1 drew 1 and lost 4. Not quite sure how you lose 4 cup games, were Spurs still in Europa League then?
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Im amazed that JP would appoint Sherwood, still hoping its all rubbish.
Can anyone in favour if him provide a decent list of 4/5 plus points for him? And actual tangible qualities not just things like he's young or hungry or English or got something to prove.
From what I can see
Pro's
Seems happy to play youngsters, although perhaps worryingly seems to do this even when he has far better senior players available
Cons
No tactical skills
Has been absolute battered any time he has faced a team better than his
Falls out with numerous players, seemingly without reason
Loves to talk in the media
Massive massive ego
Most worryingly for me is what many seem to think is a big plus in that he is happy to bollock the players jn public. Personally I see that as throwing them under a bus and covering for yourself, aka the sam allerdyce. Look at the top managers like Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho*, Rodgers etc. how many times do you hear them slagging there players off in public?
*Unless Mourinho has an issue with a particular player. He will always protect/defend the group as a whole though
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I do feel Sherwood wont be as outspoken as what he was with Tottenham. He knew his days were numbered which gave him a lot more freedom to be more outspoken. I doubt he will go very far if he has that approach with us so I think he wont be as outspoken. Spurs were still in the Europa league when he took over.
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Talk about divided opinion. That's includes myself one minute for him, next against.
For what it counts IMO, half a season running a team worth 100 million does not give him the vital experience we need to take us forward. Would love to know the others closely considered so we can compare.
However the next West Brom coach will get my 100% support.
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If we appoint sheer wood it will be the biggest car crash this club has ever had, and will show what contempt the owners of our beloved club have for us.
The guy has no real experience of running a team, and lost the dressing room at spurs quicker than Gazza downs a pint.
Sorry if this happens, then we are in for the worst period of history this club has ever seen, he is just a loud mouthed cockney wide boy, for which no player has any respect for.
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If we appoint sheer wood it will be the biggest car crash this club has ever had, and will show what contempt the owners of our beloved club have for us.
The guy has no real experience of running a team, and lost the dressing room at spurs quicker than Gazza downs a pint.
Sorry if this happens, then we are in for the worst period of history this club has ever seen, he is just a loud mouthed cockney wide boy, for which no player has any respect for.
The worst period this club has ever seen? Really? Is that what you really think? Were you around when DonHowe was in charge, or when we went from title challengers to relegated in the 1980s? When we dropped into the old third division with Bobby Gould the best we could attract? When Little was manager?
Get a grip.
Sherwood may or may not be appointed, he may or may not turn out well since no appointment is a nailed on certainty to succeed, but Albion's worst period ever? I don't think so.
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If we appoint sheer wood it will be the biggest car crash this club has ever had, and will show what contempt the owners of our beloved club have for us.
The guy has no real experience of running a team, and lost the dressing room at spurs quicker than Gazza downs a pint.
Sorry if this happens, then we are in for the worst period of history this club has ever seen, he is just a loud mouthed cockney wide boy, for which no player has any respect for.
That has to be the worst anti post i have ever seen against anybody new coming to our club.
Get behind the bloke, i am sure you will be pleasantly supprised.He is people third choice on this board.The other 2 were never going to come here
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This is the infamous picture of 'Peace and Sherwood'.
Guy on the right looks like Garlick to me and the guy on the left looks like Pepe Mel / Jol!
(https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/p526x296/10170793_10152456930273794_4818240862151522682_n.jpg)
(https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/p526x296/10458357_10152457046008794_4938297774910459992_n.jpg)
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If he is appointed then we all just need to get behind the bloke simples.
The powers that be are in a far better postion to judge someone based on interviews and recommendations.
Im sure people think we are going to attract someone of huge international and domestic ilk when the truth is we wont.
I am underwhelmed by what could be Sherwoods appointment but hell im going to give him an opportunity and a chance to do his job and get behind him 100%
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The worst period this club has ever seen? Really? Is that what you really think? Were you around when DonHowe was in charge, or when we went from title challengers to relegated in the 1980s? When we dropped into the old third division with Bobby Gould the best we could attract? When Little was manager?
Get a grip.
Sherwood may or may not be appointed, he may or may not turn out well since no appointment is a nailed on certainty to succeed, but Albion's worst period ever? I don't think so.
Ok let my emotions go into overdrive there a little, perhaps I should have said in recent history, however we may be having a debate about something which is just rumour monte ring, I hope
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Im amazed that JP would appoint Sherwood, still hoping its all rubbish.
Can anyone in favour if him provide a decent list of 4/5 plus points for him? And actual tangible qualities not just things like he's young or hungry or English or got something to prove.
From what I can see
Pro's
Seems happy to play youngsters, although perhaps worryingly seems to do this even when he has far better senior players available
Cons
No tactical skills
Has been absolute battered any time he has faced a team better than his
Falls out with numerous players, seemingly without reason
Loves to talk in the media
Massive massive ego
Most worryingly for me is what many seem to think is a big plus in that he is happy to bollock the players jn public. Personally I see that as throwing them under a bus and covering for yourself, aka the sam allerdyce. Look at the top managers like Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho*, Rodgers etc. how many times do you hear them slagging there players off in public?
*Unless Mourinho has an issue with a particular player. He will always protect/defend the group as a whole though
I'm not completely in favour and I can name enough pros:
- English manager, brings an end to the ridiculous media slating we got for appointing Mel, means the players can't immediately claim they don't understand him and ignore him. If Mel's lack of language skills is blamed for his problems, this can be, despite your protestations, be a plus for Sherwood given circumstances.
- Not scared to bollock players. Again something listed as a negative can easily be a positive given our clubs circumstances. Discipline at the club is at an all time low. Mel was 'too nice' for our squad. When quoted as saying he 'felt like a supply teacher' and his players saying he 'wouldn't be there long' is it any surprise that he would speak out and assert some authority. I'd rather we have a coach who doesn't take rubbish off the squad. They're a football team not a group of mates.
- Has a good league record with Tottenham which is distorted by number of games but for all the stick he gets for being beaten by teams better than his he's got that record off the back of no experience. Ok he's not got vast experience and I'd have liked more, but there is talent there. Not many people stroll into a job like that AND perform well - Meulesteen was apparently some fantastic coach that was waiting in the wings and he was dreadful, and Clement is untested as number 2. Regardless of what can be said about 'oh Albion going for number 2s again' it fits our set up - we want a COACH not a manager and number 2s are by and large excellent coaches. He may be a 'number two' but he's a number two who's stepped up - more than you can say about Clement who's got less experience but people jizzed over.
- Plays youth players: could be essential to our squad this season bringing people up to the first team given depleted numbers. Might start keeping players at the club instead of losing them to the big boys. I'm sure like a lot of us Peace is frustrated at money on the academy being wasted, this may stop that.
- he's probably the best option out there that wants to come to us - sounds a bit of a crappy pro point but would you rather we have some bargain basement uninspiring, been around the block and done bugger all coach or someone who may be vocal and full of himself but has some ambition. Again you state 'he's driven' isn't a pro but it is. Clarke was about as enthusiastic as a ER waiting room and Mel was too soft and calm. I want a manager who thinks he's good and tries to hit those standards than someone who bumbles along in a job and then slowly fades off. Brian Clough was full of himself and not exactly the best tactician but when you believe you're good and have drive you make it.
I'd like to hear pros and cons about a manager that don't cover personality and approach to jobs - other than experience how would you differentiate anyone on our shortlist?
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That has to be the worst anti post i have ever seen against anybody new coming to our club.
Get behind the bloke, i am sure you will be pleasantly supprised.He is people third choice on this board.The other 2 were never going to come here
I'm sorry but I thought this was a forum for fans to express their view, and all I am doing is expressing my concern.
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I note we have yet to offer the job to anyone but are no going to proceed on contract terms.
This is now where people start getting 'ruled out the running' due to the fact that they want x,y and z as coaches.
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This is the infamous picture of 'Peace and Sherwood'.
Guy on the right looks like Garlick to me and the guy on the left looks like Pepe Mel / Jol!
(https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/p526x296/10170793_10152456930273794_4818240862151522682_n.jpg)
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That bald dome on the left...wait...no...I've seen it before.
Surely it's not.....Brian McDermott??????
Or could it be having failed to get Moysey we've tempted Wilf McGuinness out of retirement? :o
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I'm sorry but I thought this was a forum for fans to express their view, and all I am doing is expressing my concern.
I only said worst anti post i didnt say you couldnt post it.Like you say its a free for all on here.Get behind the bloke.We are all in it together
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i thought we were after a coach with premiership experience that must now mean a couple of games, i will get behind whoever we appoint. but a good manager his someone who gets a team to play well when its in a slump not when its doing well . time will tell .but the even bigger point this summer is peace to part with the cash and get quality in otherwise we are doomed before we start
He has been a Premier League coach for some time, just not a head coach, so could argue that he has required experience.
Time will tell, I guess.
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It's tim
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its quite clearly Garlick!
as for the other fellow, he may be something to do with the pitch.
I am confident that this photo is nothing to do with the head coach vacancy
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I only said worst anti post i didnt say you couldnt post it.Like you say its a free for all on here.Get behind the bloke.We are all in it together
I would find it very hard to give someone I have no faith in my full backing, we need to appoint someone with the proper requisite experience, however fell our recent fumbling and hysterics of the last couple of seasons may go against us.
I must stop this feeling of doom, however I find it difficult to find any positives at our club at the moment, however am hopeful we can put an end to this 'minor blip' in our history if we just appoint the right guy, whoever that is!!!
Come on chairman, please no penny pinching, go for it, and who knows you might then get the value you are seeking to sell the club for.
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I'm not completely in favour and I can name enough pros:
- English manager, brings an end to the ridiculous media slating we got for appointing Mel, means the players can't immediately claim they don't understand him and ignore him. If Mel's lack of language skills is blamed for his problems, this can be, despite your protestations, be a plus for Sherwood given circumstances.
- Not scared to bollock players. Again something listed as a negative can easily be a positive given our clubs circumstances. Discipline at the club is at an all time low. Mel was 'too nice' for our squad. When quoted as saying he 'felt like a supply teacher' and his players saying he 'wouldn't be there long' is it any surprise that he would speak out and assert some authority. I'd rather we have a coach who doesn't take rubbish off the squad. They're a football team not a group of mates.
- Has a good league record with Tottenham which is distorted by number of games but for all the stick he gets for being beaten by teams better than his he's got that record off the back of no experience. Ok he's not got vast experience and I'd have liked more, but there is talent there. Not many people stroll into a job like that AND perform well - Meulesteen was apparently some fantastic coach that was waiting in the wings and he was dreadful, and Clement is untested as number 2. Regardless of what can be said about 'oh Albion going for number 2s again' it fits our set up - we want a COACH not a manager and number 2s are by and large excellent coaches. He may be a 'number two' but he's a number two who's stepped up - more than you can say about Clement who's got less experience but people jizzed over.
- Plays youth players: could be essential to our squad this season bringing people up to the first team given depleted numbers. Might start keeping players at the club instead of losing them to the big boys. I'm sure like a lot of us Peace is frustrated at money on the academy being wasted, this may stop that.
- he's probably the best option out there that wants to come to us - sounds a bit of a crappy pro point but would you rather we have some bargain basement uninspiring, been around the block and done bugger all coach or someone who may be vocal and full of himself but has some ambition. Again you state 'he's driven' isn't a pro but it is. Clarke was about as enthusiastic as a ER waiting room and Mel was too soft and calm. I want a manager who thinks he's good and tries to hit those standards than someone who bumbles along in a job and then slowly fades off. Brian Clough was full of himself and not exactly the best tactician but when you believe you're good and have drive you make it.
I'd like to hear pros and cons about a manager that don't cover personality and approach to jobs - other than experience how would you differentiate anyone on our shortlist?
But the Pro's there are basically..
He's English
He shouts at his players/balls them in public
Plays young players
Wants to be a manager
Sorry but that's nowhere near enough for me to warrant being a premiership manager.
I would be looking for things like
Proven track record with a lower mid table club and over achieving in one of Europe's top 5/6 leagues
Proven experience as a 'solid' Premiership manager
Proven experience of having a good eye in the transfer market (this won't be solely down to him but he will have a big input)
Proven experience of taking existing group of players and improving them
Demonstrated good tactical nous, numerous examples of implementing a specific game plan against better opposition to get a result.
Ego in check enough to work with the constraints that come with our job, happy to realise that they are 1 piece in a larger jigsaw that contributes to the running of our club.
Young upcoming manager from a lower league with a proven track record over 2/3 years (Dyche, Rossler, Howe)
Happy to work with in a relatively low profile manner to avoid falling out with JP
Now there's not many managers who tick all of those boxes but there's plenty who tick some. I don't want the guy but broken down like that you could argue someone like Curbishley ticks pretty much every box. Advocaat ticks a large number of them. Sherwood ticks absolutely none of them. Again since when has English, happy to bollock players & played 2 young players for 4 months at Spurs been good enough to get any premiership job? Sherwood couldn't keep his mouth shut at Spurs and seemed to think he was to big for that job, you honestly think he's going to be happy in a more withdrawn role with us? I know our dressing room needs shaking up but when he sends out a woefully under prepared side with no time tactical plan what so ever to get beaten by Everton 4-0 3 weeks in to the season and then responds by slagging off the players in the media and questoining their commitment how do you feel that will go down in the dressing room (and for the record im on the players side in that scenario)
We have finally established ourselves as a prem club but after last season this is the biggest appointment we have had to make for a very long time. Any manager is always going to be a gamble but Sherwood seems to be a much larger one than we need to take. I'm not saying we will definitely go down or Sherwood is definitely a failure but just at this stage with our set up I think he is the completely the wrong man.
Lastly negative comments towards Sherwood don't mean myself or anyone else isn't getting behind him or the club or that we wont be singing his name on the opening day next season if he is appointed. We just don't think he is the right man for us.
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That pic looks like solsjier (spell?) but could well be sherwood, garlick or my uncle George.
I am on the fence with sherwood, would be a bit hypocritical if the club saying we have learnt from previous mistakes and then appoint someone with so little experience, yes he done well but so do so. Did Matteo when he went to Chelsea.
Much prefer someone who would command respect for what he's actually done over time as a manager, we need respect in out dressing room more than ever.
Id love to know who the shortlisted managers are.
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I think Sherwood is a coach with a positive mindset and goes out to win games. At Spurs he had players who were as good as any in the League and maybe naively he felt he was able to go toe to toe with the other big clubs. His record with the same group of players was better than the much admired AVB who also presided over a couple of notable drubbings at the hands of the bigger clubs and he was a much more defensively minded coach. All that said he will need to adapt to the players he is likely to have available to him at the Hawthorns but that is true of any coach we might appoint.
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What's with all the "rollocking players in public" obsession with Sherwood? I only remember him doing this in relation to one player, and we don't know the background. Sure, he criticised the team's performance once or twice, but to me that's fair enough if they have played badly. It's just honest. We as fans don't like it when our head coach comes out with the usual old double speak after a poor performance, so we can't have it both ways. To me he seems a strong character, and I think we need that at the present time (strong does not necessarily equate with confrontational). He also comes across as intelligent, likes to play attacking football, is ambitious, plenty of positives.
And besides, I've never met a Tim in my entire life who wasn't sound as a pound :D
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Am at a total loss to understand who the managers with proven lower premier league sides that people want are given that the ones that have been relegated arent wanted, long time out the job e.g Hoddle ,Curbishley arent wanted, Ranieri Advocaat etc only manage the better teams in any given league, Moyes and Laudrup were hardly realistic targets to my mind that only leaves Jol who amassed a whopping great 6% of the vote in this thread!!!!! ??? ???
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The Express and dingle are now reporting that the club hopes to sort a contract out within the next 24 hours so i doubt anything will happen today. More then likely tomorrow or Friday now by the sounds of the things.
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It's widely reported his win ratio is 59% so it seems your stat includes cup games of which he won 1 drew 1 and lost 4. Not quite sure how you lose 4 cup games, were Spurs still in Europa League then?
Yes, just checked, they got knocked out by Benfica.
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Yes, just checked, they got knocked out by Benfica.
Thats right because the incident im about to post in the link below happened in that match.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU4wBcFgZyM&list=PLHccYxMggO5gCtgAHaNXnz9LLiQ9ByKfa
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But the Pro's there are basically..
He's English
He shouts at his players/balls them in public
Plays young players
Wants to be a manager
Sorry but that's nowhere near enough for me to warrant being a premiership manager.
I would be looking for things like
Proven track record with a lower mid table club and over achieving in one of Europe's top 5/6 leagues
Proven experience as a 'solid' Premiership manager
Proven experience of having a good eye in the transfer market (this won't be solely down to him but he will have a big input)
Proven experience of taking existing group of players and improving them
Demonstrated good tactical nous, numerous examples of implementing a specific game plan against better opposition to get a result.
Ego in check enough to work with the constraints that come with our job, happy to realise that they are 1 piece in a larger jigsaw that contributes to the running of our club.
Young upcoming manager from a lower league with a proven track record over 2/3 years (Dyche, Rossler, Howe)
Happy to work with in a relatively low profile manner to avoid falling out with JP
Now there's not many managers who tick all of those boxes but there's plenty who tick some. I don't want the guy but broken down like that you could argue someone like Curbishley ticks pretty much every box. Advocaat ticks a large number of them. Sherwood ticks absolutely none of them. Again since when has English, happy to bollock players & played 2 young players for 4 months at Spurs been good enough to get any premiership job? Sherwood couldn't keep his mouth shut at Spurs and seemed to think he was to big for that job, you honestly think he's going to be happy in a more withdrawn role with us? I know our dressing room needs shaking up but when he sends out a woefully under prepared side with no time tactical plan what so ever to get beaten by Everton 4-0 3 weeks in to the season and then responds by slagging off the players in the media and questoining their commitment how do you feel that will go down in the dressing room (and for the record im on the players side in that scenario)
We have finally established ourselves as a prem club but after last season this is the biggest appointment we have had to make for a very long time. Any manager is always going to be a gamble but Sherwood seems to be a much larger one than we need to take. I'm not saying we will definitely go down or Sherwood is definitely a failure but just at this stage with our set up I think he is the completely the wrong man.
Lastly negative comments towards Sherwood don't mean myself or anyone else isn't getting behind him or the club or that we wont be singing his name on the opening day next season if he is appointed. We just don't think he is the right man for us.
So based on what you want in a manager you'll be hard pressed to find one who wants to come here and not be wanted by better clubs either. Sadly we have to go with the few people who want to manage us (risky up and comers with no experience), decent foreign managers looking to manage in the UK, who obviously lack experience here (we tried that remember?)and people who aren't wanted by other clubs with more money (managers with currently poor reputations). And I'll think you'll find that's exactly who we've been linked with.
If a manager has what you ask for he sure as hell isn't going to come to us.
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If it is to be Sherwood, after initial doubts i have actually really come round to the idea.
I hope he cuts out some of the 'look at me' type stuff, thats what got my backup about him but i have no problem with what his managerial approach was at Spurs.
I like the fact he did say what he did, Spurs are a big club, they had just missed Champions League the season before, spent £100m and with the players they had you would expect better of them, they had already got AVB the sack and so good on him ruffling a few feathers with overpaid premadonnas, hopefully he comes in and does it with us too.
Sherwood will have time to put his own stamp on the team, i have no idea why there is criticism its take 5 x weeks, i have no doubt we could of appointed a manager the day after Pepe Mel went but i would rather we spoke to people, sussed out whats what and did it that way, we havent lost any points the last five weeks, half the squad had gone anyway and as far i can tell from transfers we dont seem to be missing out on anybody. Now is the time to assess things and make sure we get it right and if the powers that be (which includes a experienced football man in Burton) think Sherwood is the best man then so be it.
I think judging on his Spurs approach we will be attacking and entertaining, thats what i want, we will lose games because we are in the bottom 1/3 of the worst teams in the league, but if we have a go and lose then so be it, nobody likes losing but its the reality of the greed league. I would hope Sherwood himself has learnt from his time at Tottenham and with a good preseason with the players lets hope it can work, from what we know about him he dont take any messing and controls the dressing room which is exactly as it should be with a manager / head coach, Hodgson was like it, Clarke started that way and seemed to lose his way and Pepe Mel whether through language problems, lack of respect, or whatever it was never seemed to have control.
Hopefully we will be seeing players wearing the shirt who like Sherwood have a point to prove, i have no doubt any bad apples will soon be shifted out because Sherwood needs this to work for him as much as we do for us, i think his reputation before taking the Spurs job was very high, he was talked about a lot, now its probably 50/50, if he messes up at Albion he probably wont be getting a good job again any time soon, so he needs this to work.
As for the Downing hatred i just dont get it at all, RDM, Hodgson and Clarke have all seen fit to promote him through the ranks, i have never heard one current or ex player or staff say a bad word about him, he seems to get things done with little fuss. I see he is blamed for the problems last season, without a doubt he has to take some of the blame, but were people praising him for us having our best 3 seasons in 30 years prior to that? I think the players had too much power, thats upto the head coach to sort, Downing has never been our official head coach, it seems Clarke lost his way with the players and Pepe never got given a chance by the players, always Downing did was step us over Xmas and then again towards the end of the season if reports are to be believed. I think he was probably in a very awkward position, if he had ignored the request and just did what Pepe Mel told him, chances are we would be in the Championship and both Pepe Mel and Downing would be out of a job with failure on their CV, as it happens Pepe Mel can say on his CV he reached his goal of keeping us up and we remain a premiership club.
I dont like the players attitude last season as much as most but there is no evidence of a dressing room revolt or revolution with Downing the orchestra, it could of been that way, or it could of been an amicable thing that players liked Pepe Mel but couldnt understand his methods and he may of himself realised that we didnt have the players to play the way he wanted so to give the club the best chance he passed it over, if thats the case fair play to Pepe for doing so but also the people who made the appointment have questions to answer. If Downing was the evil puppetmaster people think i would imagine he would of been chopped a while ago? If a new coach requests that Downing and Kiely are removed then that has to be considered but if they are happy to work together, whats the issue?
Because the club keep things so close the their chest we all make a lot of assumptions but i think sometimes it snowballs with no real evidence.
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Wouldn't it be funny if they announced someone else in a couple of days after the pages of TS we've just covered....
Ok maybe not so funny.
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I wouldnt say its Downing hatred.Its the fact we have now struggled to perform and win many games for the last 2 years.Like someone said we cant take free kicks and corners properly and Downing is a coach
A fresh approach with a new team is needed
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Wouldn't it be funny if they announced someone else in a couple of days after the pages of TS we've just covered....
Ok maybe not so funny.
Make an announcement in a couple of days? Don't be daft :D
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Wouldn't it be funny if they announced someone else in a couple of days after the pages of TS we've just covered....
Ok maybe not so funny.
Always expect the unexpected with The Albion
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Wouldn't it be funny if they announced someone else in a couple of days after the pages of TS we've just covered....
Ok maybe not so funny.
Be even more funny if its Hughton :)
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Be even more funny if its Hughton :)
Funny? dont you mean terrifying?
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Wouldn't it be funny if they announced someone else in a couple of days after the pages of TS we've just covered....
Ok maybe not so funny.
It's happened before. Alan Irvine was all due to be appointed until the board changed their mind and decided RDM 'blew their socks off'.
Chris Hughton was all ready to go, it was reported and given the sames odds as TS now before Roy Hodgson made a u-turn and decided he wanted the job.
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So based on what you want in a manager you'll be hard pressed to find one who wants to come here and not be wanted by better clubs either. Sadly we have to go with the few people who want to manage us (risky up and comers with no experience), decent foreign managers looking to manage in the UK, who obviously lack experience here (we tried that remember?)and people who aren't wanted by other clubs with more money (managers with currently poor reputations). And I'll think you'll find that's exactly who we've been linked with.
If a manager has what you ask for he sure as hell isn't going to come to us.
yes but as I said I don't expect a manager to have all of those things, but I can't believe we would appoint someone who has absolutely none of them.
Managers who realistically 'could' be interested in our job and who I would rather have than Sherwood would include Jol, McClaren, Rossler, Advocaat, Curbishley, Ranieri, Hyypia (pre Brighton appointment) Clement, and pretty much anyone else who has been linked. In fact probably only Mackay and Hughton of the names linked would be below him on the list
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My question to all would be do you trust uncle roy?
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My question to all would be do you trust uncle roy?
context?
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context?
I think in that he apparently has suggested/recommended Sherwood to us.
My reply to that would be Ferguson recommended Moyes for Utd and McLeish for Villa
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not much of that white puffy stuff in the atmosphere yet then
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I think in that he apparently has suggested/recommended Sherwood to us.
My reply to that would be Ferguson recommended Moyes for Utd and McLeish for Villa
I love Roy for what he did for us, I have serious reservations about TS, but I don't know the guy and presumably Roy does, so benefit of the doubt. "TS's pinstripe army" has a certain je ne sais quoi about it
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My question to all would be do you trust uncle roy?
Implicitly.
And FWIW I think that had Hughton got the gig back then there's an even chance he'd have still been here.
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context?
well he gave Burton glowing reference as the right man for the job and as also gave sherwood is backing and spoke very highly of him so it may work may not work but I'll give him the benefit for 2 reasons uncle Roy and I want him to succeed because whoever gets it needs our backing whether he's your choice or not
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If I was in the decision making hierarchy of a football club as secretive about their dealings as the Albion, I'd be tempted to eventually leak the name of an 'almost certain to be appointed' head coach to the press/bookies in the final 48 hours which would make them favourite, then bet on and hire one of the 12/1 shots in the last few hours myself. Only joking. We'll most likely end up with Sherwood by the looks of it.
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I think in that he apparently has suggested/recommended Sherwood to us.
My reply to that would be Ferguson recommended Moyes for Utd and McLeish for Villa
Has it been confirmed that Hodgson has actually recommended Sherwood to us?
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My question to all would be do you trust uncle roy?
Yes, and lets face it if TS has an ounce of sense then he'll have contacted Roy and asked what it's like to work in our structure and what things are like on a day to day basis. We've gone through a rough patch and TS (as gung ho as some make him out to be) will want success with his next role (be it with us or anyone else). R
If Roy told him it in black and white and he's still keen then that can only be a good thing, unless he's really gung ho of course :P
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A couple of people are suggesting the announcement could be imminent. I doubt that myself.
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Jorge Jesus, Benfica Manager is suddenly second favourite at William Hill at 6/1
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Jorge Jesus, Benfica Manager is suddenly second favourite at William Hill at 6/1
Silver fox, big hair. Does he speken the lingo
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Silver fox, big hair
Thank you :D You're not too bad yourself
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Jorge Jesus, Benfica Manager is suddenly second favourite at William Hill at 6/1
Jezza has just probably made his mind up and placed a bet on him himself. Jokes :)
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This is the same guy who Sherwood had a touchline argument with in the Europa league last season. The guy lacks any class. If some of you are worried about how Sherwood will conduct himself then god help you with this guy he is worse. Take a look at the video I posted on the previous page or so and just look at how he treats his own staff. I can't see any problems now I'm very confident it will be Sherwood. It goes to also show the media's confidence that they've more or less gave time scales as to when he will be appointed suggesting the next 24 to 48 hours etcetera.
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Jorge Jesus, Benfica Manager is suddenly second favourite at William Hill at 6/1
That was me. I went into my local bookies and had a fiver on the first name that came into my head.
Sorry for skewing the market. ;)
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See Mancini has just left Galatasary.........interesting :o
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See Mancini has just left Galatasary.........interesting :o
Definitely a no to Mancini. He's lazier on the training ground than Michael Laudrup - and that's saying something!
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I'm sorry but ive seen a few people on Twitter suggest it aswell so I need to ask but do people seriously believe we could ever get Mancini? I know he is a good manager don't get me wrong but we wouldn't pay his wage I'm sure he wouldn't want to work with us and our restrictions and quite simplyyou dont go from winning the premier league title with Manchester city to tthen go onto win the Turkish cup just to end up with West Bromwich Albion. I dont mean to sound disrespectful to people because it's their opinion and their ideas at the end of the day but I think a touch of realism is needed.
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I don't think we would have a cat in hells chance in fact I hope we don't have a cat in hells chance.
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I would suggest Jesus and Irvine have been interviewed - can't see why they would be so high in the betting otherwise.
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Jezza turns down Jesus.
God help us ! :D
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Would rather take Ranieri over Mancini.
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Well we know for sure that neither of the people in the photo is Jesus.
His hair is much longer and he has a beard.
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Well we know for sure that neither of the people in the photo is Jesus.
His hair is much longer and he has a beard.
Like this?
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/EMP-5897686.jpg)
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Some big names being banded about now.
Jeremy wants more of the club.
New shirt sponser to be announced shortly.
Intriguing.
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Some big names being banded about now.
Jeremy wants more of the club.
New shirt sponser to be announced shortly.
Intriguing.
Mancini hasn't been linked it's more of wishful thinking on other people's part. I'm confident the job is Sherwoods. Unless you know any different ofcourse? Where have you heard the shirt sponsor will be announced shortly?
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Southampton mentioned on Sky Sports News,concerning Mancini,
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Has anything heard anything at all about Jesus other than his odds dropping? This is the sort of calibre I would of thought we would have been in for (although I would of said it's out of our reach in all honesty) but it's a strange one to come from absolutely nowhere when Sherwood seemed close to being appointed. However wasn't there talk of a 'left field appointment' a week or so ago?
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I was not being serious.
But mancini has gone straight into the betting markets aswell as jesus#(does hail mary).
Shirt sponser stands a good chance of being named shortly. Jezza wants more of the club.
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Has anything heard anything at all about Jesus other than his odds dropping? This is the sort of calibre I would of thought we would have been in for (although I would of said it's out of our reach in all honesty) but it's a strange one to come from absolutely nowhere when Sherwood seemed close to being appointed. However wasn't there talk of a 'left field appointment' a week or so ago?
Someone probably mentioned his spat with Sherwood and thought 'ah, he's not on the list'. Then on he goes and people think 'ah, new name, let's put a quid on'. More money trickles on and then the odds shorten. Bit like how Irvine got on the list.
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Someone probably mentioned his spat with Sherwood and thought 'ah, he's not on the list'. Then on he goes and people think 'ah, new name, let's put a quid on'. More money trickles on and then the odds shorten. Bit like how Irvine got on the list.
That's exactly what's happened. Im still hopeful it will be Sherwood the sooner the announcement is made the better...saying that we will start stressing over transfer targets then :P
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Every news outlet is stating that we have whittled it down to a three-man shortlist with Sherwood leading the race. Confuses me how all the journos (seem to) know that Sherwood has made it, but there is nothing stating the other two candidates. How do you get one and not the other two?
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Double wammy head coach and shirt sponsor at the same time i have heard
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Double wammy head coach and shirt sponsor at the same time i have heard
Let's hope so. That would be some good positive news for a change. I'm just sick of this long wait and speculation now. I still doubt it will be today though.
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Double wammy head coach and shirt sponsor at the same time i have heard
you reckon bud :D
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you reckon bud :D
Its in my wind :)
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I would suggest Jesus and Irvine have been interviewed - can't see why they would be so high in the betting otherwise.
B*&er me, that's what I call doing your due diligence. Do you think Bhudda, Mohammed and Zoroaster were interviewed via the psychic Skype line too?
Jesus is a superb man manager, but I think we need someone as hard as...erm...nails is our dressing room right now. Plus he has no Premier League experience.
Might perform miracles though, which given our transfer budget would be a...er.... hell of a bonus.
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There won't be any announcement today. It's gone too late to get the maximum publicity.
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There won't be any announcement today. It's gone too late to get the maximum publicity.
Pepe Mel was announced about 7pm.
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Pepe Mel was announced about 7pm.
Pepe Mel was announced in the evening.
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Pepe Mel was announced in the evening.
That maybe so, but there could be a joint new sponsor and new Head Coach announcement. The sponsor will obviously demand as much publicity as possible.
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That maybe so, but there could be a joint new sponsor and new Head Coach announcement. The sponsor will obviously demand as much publicity as possible.
The mother of all press conferences!
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Expecting someone Albion? ;D
http://www.wbashop.co.uk/MARIUS-GILET-JCK (http://www.wbashop.co.uk/MARIUS-GILET-JCK)
(http://www.wbashop.co.uk/filedepository/productimages/leisurewear/menswear/2013-14/thumbnails/marius%20gilet%20%20600_420_420_130916033210.jpg)
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Its in my wind :)
thought so :D
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Expecting someone Albion? ;D
http://www.wbashop.co.uk/MARIUS-GILET-JCK (http://www.wbashop.co.uk/MARIUS-GILET-JCK)
(http://www.wbashop.co.uk/filedepository/productimages/leisurewear/menswear/2013-14/thumbnails/marius%20gilet%20%20600_420_420_130916033210.jpg)
Im sure that will suit Sherwood.
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Just announce the new manager ffs!
Then I can get on with the serious business of checking the transfer rumours thread every half hour instead!!!!
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Just announce the new manager ffs!
Then I can get on with the serious business of checking the transfer rumours thread every half hour instead!!!!
Yes i wonder what the most important thread wil be after this one.Fixtures next
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Yes i wonder what the most important thread wil be after this one.Fixtures next
Transfers without a doubt.
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Definitely transfers most important as it doesnt matter who we play with the squad we currently have, we couldnt beat the skin off a rice pudding !!! BUT we'd still beat the Wolves :P :P
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B*&er me, that's what I call doing your due diligence. Do you think Bhudda, Mohammed and Zoroaster were interviewed via the psychic Skype line too?
Jesus is a superb man manager, but I think we need someone as hard as...erm...nails is our dressing room right now. Plus he has no Premier League experience.
Might perform miracles though, which given our transfer budget would be a...er.... hell of a bonus.
Would need to bring the twelve disciples with him and Peace would never allow that! ???
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He would never come to West Brom anyway as we couldnt find 3 wise men and a Virgin !!!
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DOESN'T ANYBODY KNOW ANYTHING. I'M DOING MY FRUIT HERE!
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DOESN'T ANYBODY KNOW ANYTHING. I'M DOING MY FRUIT HERE!
Despite what ANYONE comes on here and makes out to the contrary...........NO ONE KNOWS F*** ALL..........unless you are JP in disguise.
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DOESN'T ANYBODY KNOW ANYTHING. I'M DOING MY FRUIT HERE!
Mmmm. Brain. Hurting.
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Lips are sealed tighter than Jeremy's wallet!
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The brum mail are going to look like right planks if its not timbo.
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Just imagine if Downing is announced... I expect there would be a full scale riot
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Transfers without a doubt.
Oh totally agree. We've gotta moan about sumin!
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According to the independent the 3 in the running are Sherwood, Sean Dyche and Chris Hughton.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tim-sherwood-in-pole-position-to-take-west-brom-job-after-holding-talks-with-baggies-chief-9530299.html
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Off the back of that story, I quite liked this 'factoid'....
Sherwood finds a replacement
In what was his final game in charge of Tottenham, in one of the funniest moments of the season, Sherwood invited a fan to take his place in the White Hart Lane dugout towards the end of the 3-0 victory over Aston Villa. Sherwood then directed the supporter to his own seat and gave the fan his famous gilet to wear. Sherwood explained afterwards: 'That guy sits up there every week I'm here, and he's telling me: 'Get him off he's rubbish, he's an embarrassment, he's this, he's that', so I invited him down to show what he can do. He half-bottled it at first but in the end he took it up.'
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Despite what ANYONE comes on here and makes out to the contrary...........NO ONE KNOWS F*** ALL..........unless you are JP in disguise.
I'm long haired, brown eyed! jogging suit wearer! Whom loves war and never been in love?
I'm obviously JP in disguise :)
Tim it is..... Or maybe not?
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Just imagine if Downing is announced... I expect there would be a full scale riot
Yeah. That'd be like going from Jesus to Jud....
er, I'll just get me coat then.
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This was a reply I got from a spurs fan when I asked him about Sherwood
"You can expect a manager to talk self serving balls, little or no tactics and him to be embarrassing on the touch line,
Dim doesn't believe in defensive midfielders so don't expect a balanced side and his interviews will be full of British cliches.
I don't think I've ever hated a spurs manager more."
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He would never come to West Brom anyway as we couldnt find 3 wise men and a Virgin !!!
Not in West Bromwich!
It's getting a bit boring now really. If the final 3 are Sherwood, Dyche and Hughton then i'd love to rule out Hughton, either of the other 2 would be great. I guess Dyhe would be the best but it would be weird to jump ship from Burnley. I'd have thought if we'd approached a manager from another club it would've leaked by now
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This was a reply I got from a spurs fan when I asked him about Sherwood
"You can expect a manager to talk self serving balls, little or no tactics and him to be embarrassing on the touch line,
Dim doesn't believe in defensive midfielders so don't expect a balanced side and his interviews will be full of British cliches.
I don't think I've ever hated a spurs manager more."
I got told something the same by another spurs fan. But i've seen other Spurs fans who wanted to keep him. Marmite springs to mind
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I got told something the same by another spurs fan. But i've seen other Spurs fans who wanted to keep him. Marmite springs to mind
Yes you are right, he is already splitting our fan base and he isn't even our manager yet.
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Yes you are right, he is already splitting our fan base and he isn't even our manager yet.
Splitting maybe, about 70/30 in favour I reckon, and no manager would get 100% approval.
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Ancelotti ? :)
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I still hope it's not Tim. Given the three who are supposedly in the running, I'd go Dyche, Sherwood, Hughton
I'm very suprised Sherwood got this far, but i'd still rather him then hoofball Hughton!
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I'm done predicting who and when it will be now getting bored of it all now. I still think it will be Sherwood but god knows when he will be confirmed.
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One thing I like about Tim is that he is a winner and a leader, he doesn't like to lose and frankly he's not used to it. He will get the respect of the players from a footballing point of view, none of them are better than he was. He captained a side to a Premier title, he is a natural leader. I also think he's smart enough to learn from his time at Spurs and temper his style. Great players don't necessarily make good managers but with Tim he's a leader, it might be too big a risk fore some but I'm right behind him COYB.
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Basically this will drag on for another few days or even a week, wouldn't surprise me if its longer. Then Sherwood will come in, rebuild the squad a bit before the players turn against his brash personality and complain to Keith Downing.
He in turn will complain to JP and at the first drop in form Sherwood will go making way for another ridiculous length of time before the new man came in. This is getting worse too. Below is the list of time between the previous man leaving and the new appointment. (Under the Peace era I add):
Robson took 14 days to be appointed
Mowbray: 25 days
Di Matteo: 14 days
Hodgson: 6 days
Clarke: 25 days
Mel: 26 days
New Man: 31 days (and running)
So we can see from this that since Clarke the precedent has been to take a ridiculous amount of time to appoint someone. Excusing Mowbray (could be a specific reason for his length) the first four Peace appointments were done within a two week period whereas the last three have taken an average of 4 weeks- double the length.
First four average- 14.75 days
Last three average- 27.3 days (still rising)
Arguably the first four appointments were more successful too which begs the question of this 'due diligence' claim and diatribe that they continually come out with. This is the longest we have had to wait for a new appointment in the Peace era and the longest we have had to wait for an appointment since Bobby Gould was appointed in 1991 (48 days :o).
Back during the Hodgson era there was a story circulating that Dan Ashworth always had contingency plans should a manager depart for any reason and had people lined up. This explains the 6 day appointment of Roy Hodgson. So my question is: what has happened to this? Why is it that we have gone from an efficient body in terms of appointments to a buffering bunch of buffoons?
To conclude with a bit of context. During our time without a head coach Tottenham have had time to sack their manager and reappoint, as a result of this Southampton had a vacancy and they are becoming ever more likely to pip us to the post. Transfers (the freebies) are spinning around and moving here, there and everywhere. We have a total of 3 senior defenders, 2 senior forwards in a squad that is desperately in need of a major overhaul and we are piddling around spending over a month hiring a head coach. This is in addition to being notoriously late to reveal the new kits. Will we dawdle over transfers too like we did last summer?
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This was a reply I got from a spurs fan when I asked him about Sherwood
1. "You can expect a manager to talk self serving balls, little or no tactics and him to be embarrassing on the touch line,
2. Dim doesn't believe in defensive midfielders so don't expect a balanced side and his interviews will be full of British cliches.
3. I don't think I've ever hated a spurs manager more."
1. Seem to have more of a Megson type attitude and manner on the touchline. We've seen that before so that'll be like old times for some.
If he gets it wrong tactically he'll have to change it. And Terry Burton as a backup figure instills confidence for us fans.
Talking balls? Hopefully he talked all of that out of his system last season. In quieter moments this bloke seems honest and no cliche-monger.
2. Well he's got two decent defensive midfielders on their day in Mulumbu and Yacob, so if we keep hold of them he can use them. If grit, determination, a no-nonsense attitude, and a will to do his best are British cliches, then this bloke seems to have them in spades. And that's no bad thing.
3. Well each to his own, but surely TS has to take his place in that queue behind George Graham and Christian Gross.
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I appreciate it was a different league but I remember talking to Stockport fans when we appointed Megson there was a lot of hatred against the man for the way he dealt with things, outspoken, tactics, upset players and fans. I am sure there was a divide of Albion fans when we appointed him as manager and look what he did for us.
Sherwood seems to have the same types of opinion from Spurs fans and in some ways goes about dealing with certain situations similar to Megson.
If Sherwood is appointed as our New Head Coach he is here to get results and his win ratio at White Hart Lane was not a bad one .If his man mangement style gets results at the Hawthorns I do not think many fans will be complaining.
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According to the independent the 3 in the running are Sherwood, Sean Dyche and Chris Hughton.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tim-sherwood-in-pole-position-to-take-west-brom-job-after-holding-talks-with-baggies-chief-9530299.html
Please not Hughton
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First and foremost, Spurs fans are the most ridiculous I have ever come across. They constantly want a new manager no matter who it is in charge. Harry and AVB both delivered very good seasons and they were happy to boot them out. Sherwood did a rock solid job with a squad that needed time and I think he advertised a forward thinking, modern British coach who gives youth a chance. He's excellent and would be a top appointment.
However, what concerns me is that the main 'news' about him being favourite comes from the Birmingham Mail- a paper that was so far off the Albion manager trail for the last 3 appointments that I cannot at all be confident that Sherwood is in the frame. The bookies have gone 1/8 at best, so he is heavy heavy favourite, but so was Pepe Mel before Albion hit a snag in negotiations. From memory, aside from Pepe Mel (Spanish media leaked his name very early to Albions fury), Albions appointments have so often come from left field. Roberto Di Matteo was manager of none other than the mighty MK Dons (not even in the betting for our position!) and Steve Clarke had never even managed.
Personally I think Tim would be a fantastic coup for us but I'd be amazed if Southampton didn't interview him too- he fits their bill (young, bright coach like Pochettino) and their excellent youth system and I worry that they will pinch him.
We managed to get a Premier-league proven manager who was not given a fair chance at a top club, in need of rebuilding his reputation. Roy Hodgson.
I still think David Moyes is in the race.
Like Roy, no top 6 side will touch him, he organises his teams well, knows the Premier League inside out, and can work within a moderate budget. He has to have a stint at a club to rebuild his reputation, and our club fits that perfectly.
But hey, that's just my thought process. We've all been badly wrong before I'm sure!
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Would love to share your belief about Moyes (unless based on knowing something concrete?).
His interview in the Guardian on Saturday about wanting to manage a Champions league club nipped it in the bud for the Albion though.
As for Soton, I think Sherwood's in their mix as far as the bookies go, but they may well go down the foreign coach route.
Either way, I think I'd rather be in the Albion's position than Soton's. Have a funny feeling that next season might not be so happy for them (mainly based on all the vultures circling over their squad).
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To be fair to Sherwood he got the best out of Adebayor last season.....probably the biggest name at Spurs after he was frozen out by AVB. Like other people mentioned, he doesn't seem scared to blood young players(Kane) which should send a message to our youngsters that there is an opportunity here rather than jumping ship the minute a top five club comes knocking
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What's the general feeling coming from Southampton? I see Mancini has shot up to pretty much joint fav with Koeman. If Mancini gets it then hopefully we could sneak in for Koeman.
I've almost convinced myself its Sherwood now and read so much about him it'll almost be a bit weird if he doesn't get it!
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First and foremost, Spurs fans are the most ridiculous I have ever come across. They constantly want a new manager no matter who it is in charge. Harry and AVB both delivered very good seasons and they were happy to boot them out. Sherwood did a rock solid job with a squad that needed time and I think he advertised a forward thinking, modern British coach who gives youth a chance. He's excellent and would be a top appointment.
However, what concerns me is that the main 'news' about him being favourite comes from the Birmingham Mail- a paper that was so far off the Albion manager trail for the last 3 appointments that I cannot at all be confident that Sherwood is in the frame. The bookies have gone 1/8 at best, so he is heavy heavy favourite, but so was Pepe Mel before Albion hit a snag in negotiations. From memory, aside from Pepe Mel (Spanish media leaked his name very early to Albions fury), Albions appointments have so often come from left field. Roberto Di Matteo was manager of none other than the mighty MK Dons (not even in the betting for our position!) and Steve Clarke had never even managed.
Personally I think Tim would be a fantastic coup for us but I'd be amazed if Southampton didn't interview him too- he fits their bill (young, bright coach like Pochettino) and their excellent youth system and I worry that they will pinch him.
We managed to get a Premier-league proven manager who was not given a fair chance at a top club, in need of rebuilding his reputation. Roy Hodgson.
I still think David Moyes is in the race.
Like Roy, no top 6 side will touch him, he organises his teams well, knows the Premier League inside out, and can work within a moderate budget. He has to have a stint at a club to rebuild his reputation, and our club fits that perfectly.
But hey, that's just my thought process. We've all been badly wrong before I'm sure!
I would think we were one of the teams who approached Moyes but I really don't think he is in the race now.
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I find Moyes's opinion that he should be managing a Champions League club a bit strange considering he's only managed in it for one season in which Man U had a relatively easy group. He did a good job at Everton but even they had a few scares under his reign. Yes I think he would be successful here, but I also think he is under the impression this job would be beneath him.
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I find Moyes's opinion that he should be managing a Champions League club a bit strange considering he's only managed in it for one season in which Man U had a relatively easy group. He did a good job at Everton but even they had a few scares under his reign. Yes I think he would be successful here, but I also think he is under the impression this job would be beneath him.
I think along those lines as well.
He could be waiting a good while for another club with an expectation like that.
He needs to do a Roy and re-build as he undoubtably can do. With us or a foreign side?
But I doubt Barca or the Madrids etc will look at him?
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White smoke today folks
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White smoke today folks
And shirts.
Hey our shirts were white for the 68 final.... just a thought....
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do i not do like white.Especially smoke and material
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do i not do like white.Especially smoke and material
No. Cup run would be ok though ;D
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its going to be emotional :)Hold on to your seats folks
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Just hope Peace doesn't use start of World Cup to be a good day to bury bad news and wheel out Keith Downing
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I find Moyes's opinion that he should be managing a Champions League club a bit strange considering he's only managed in it for one season in which Man U had a relatively easy group. He did a good job at Everton but even they had a few scares under his reign. Yes I think he would be successful here, but I also think he is under the impression this job would be beneath him.
Personally I don't see it quite that way. I think there's more of a 'been there, done that' kind of feel in his comments. Albion might be a bit too much like Everton mk 2 for him, whereas he seems to want to try different things.
Good luck to him, but I really hope for his sake he doesn't do a Curbishley and sit out of the game TOO long.
As for TS, I've gone from doubting him as a candidate to accepting him if he's the one. Taken for all in all, if every man in the coaching staff and the admin do their proper jobs now we have a fighting chance.
Come on you Baggie Boys.
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http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/12/tim-sherwood-remains-in-talks-with-west-brom/
"Sherwood emerged as the No.1 choice of chairman Jeremy Peace following the completion of interviews, but a deal must be ironed out along with agreement on a backroom team."
HERE WE GO AGAIN!
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http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/12/tim-sherwood-remains-in-talks-with-west-brom/
"Sherwood emerged as the No.1 choice of chairman Jeremy Peace following the completion of interviews, but a deal must be ironed out along with agreement on a backroom team."
HERE WE GO AGAIN!
Now there's a surprise. :-[
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Why dont Downing just resign.He will easily get a job in the lower leagues, i get the feeling hes holding us back
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Why dont Downing just resign.He will easily get a job in the lower leagues, i get the feeling hes holding us back
Would you resign from a job where you're seemingly untouchable, everyone is your mate to the point they disrespect others and come to you with their problems, and you've got no accountability.
If he was as instrumental in our games as he is being given credit for, he should go based on that dreadful performance.
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Different day same 5hit.
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White smoke today folks
Only if someone sets fire to JP
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Only if someone sets fire to JP
Thats what i meant, from the barrell
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Thats what i meant, from the barrell
Both of them !!
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No news today yet again folks by the looks of things...wake me up when there's some news.
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http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/12/tim-sherwood-remains-in-talks-with-west-brom/
"Sherwood emerged as the No.1 choice of chairman Jeremy Peace following the completion of interviews, but a deal must be ironed out along with agreement on a backroom team."
HERE WE GO AGAIN!
Depends what the sticking point is. I assume JP has said something like "We've got a use for your mate Les, but Clive Allen can keep his fat a£@e parked down in London."
That'd be fair.
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Let's bare in mind the print deadline for that article is yesterday afternoon before meltdown starts
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What the hell were they talking about in the last few interviews?! You'd think wages may have been discussed if there'd have been more than one interview. This is now starting to eat into my mind and my work! Sneaking onto here and twitter when the boss leaves the room! He's a baggies fan and my best mate so let's hope he doesn't have an account here or i'm boned.
Well the article said in the next 24 hours when you consider it was released online at 7am then you'd hope it'd be today. Probs clash with the World Cup and there'll be no coverage!
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What the hell were they talking about in the last few interviews?! You'd think wages may have been discussed if there'd have been more than one interview. This is now starting to eat into my mind and my work! Sneaking onto here and twitter when the boss leaves the room! He's a baggies fan and my best mate so let's hope he doesn't have an account here or i'm boned.
Well the article said in the next 24 hours when you consider it was released online at 7am then you'd hope it'd be today. Probs clash with the World Cup and there'll be no coverage!
Don't think wages is the issues. It's that same argument - backroom staff. Sacred Kev and Dean must have a job afterall.
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Don't think wages is the issues. It's that same argument - backroom staff. Sacred Kev and Dean must have a job afterall.
Don't mind our GK coach staying in but if this persistence on Downing staying costs us first choices (whoever the board deem them to be) then just get rid, shock the players even more.
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Before everyone starts blaming Downing and Kiely and assumed that this is going to cause some huge standstill in negotiations I think we need to look at this logically. Surely 'reaching an agreement over backroon staff doesn't definitely mean there is an issue? I think it's just a bit of a throw away comment personally. 'Reaching an agreement' could simply mean arranging a deal with that member of staff, maybe deciding what title they take within the set up, maybe even Sherwood deciding who it is he wants to bring with him.
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If the sticking point is backroom staff again then its downright disgraceful.
I appreciate what Downing and Kiely have done for us I really do but its time for a change in the setup and the new man should be allowed to bring his own first team coaches in.
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Is Dingle Keith some sort of god?? He must be because he is untouchable, the players probably call him Uncle Keith. Whoever comes in will have to watch there back with him around that’s for sure. Furthermore did he sign a 30 year contract with the club, I must have missed that!!!
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Que the 'Sherwood ruled out of the running' headline from the local press.
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Before everyone starts blaming Downing and Kiely and assumed that this is going to cause some huge standstill in negotiations I think we need to look at this logically. Surely 'reaching an agreement over backroon staff doesn't definitely mean there is an issue? I think it's just a bit of a throw away comment personally. 'Reaching an agreement' could simply mean arranging a deal with that member of staff, maybe deciding what title they take within the set up, maybe even Sherwood deciding who it is he wants to bring with him.
Quite right too! For the sake of our collective blood pressure maybe we should all hold off slaughtering JP, KD, DK etc until we actually know for definite what's happening. Don't forget that the people at the E&S don't really know anything, they are just speculating on the stage they think the process is at.
Oh, and of course they do like to stir don't they!
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Before everyone starts blaming Downing and Kiely and assumed that this is going to cause some huge standstill in negotiations I think we need to look at this logically. Surely 'reaching an agreement over backroon staff doesn't definitely mean there is an issue? I think it's just a bit of a throw away comment personally. 'Reaching an agreement' could simply mean arranging a deal with that member of staff, maybe deciding what title they take within the set up, maybe even Sherwood deciding who it is he wants to bring with him.
A good point. Let's hope it's just a case of tying up loose ends today. Would love to see an appointment by the close of play today
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Its the bit that says albion have a back up plan.
Is this a downing irvine combo..
Why do I think something nasty round the corners coming. Suppose its just being an albion supporter.
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Why do I think something nasty round the corners coming.
I have exactly the same feeling. Brace yourselves folks!
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i am nervous that our process is finishing just as the world cup starts.... bury the bad news behind other big headlines.
deliberate? or as an earlier poster said, something to hide behind?
what do you reckon, news released at 11:00pm Saturday to coincide with the England game?
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i am nervous that our process is finishing just as the world cup starts.... bury the bad news behind other big headlines.
deliberate? or as an earlier poster said, something to hide behind?
what do you reckon, news released at 11:00pm Saturday to coincide with the England game?
Honestly? Bury the bad news? How many Albion fans do you know who wouldn't notice who had been appointed manager, were it to happen today, until the World Cup was over?
Do you think that as everyone is coming home from Rio people in the Black Country will be saying "right then, anything happen at Albion over the last four weeks?".
Good grief.
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After reading most of the afore mentioned quotes I really can see why Socer AM had us down as doom and gloom merchants
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Honestly? Bury the bad news? How many Albion fans do you know who wouldn't notice who had been appointed manager, were it to happen today, until the World Cup was over?
Do you think that as everyone is coming home from Rio people in the Black Country will be saying "right then, anything happen at Albion over the last four weeks?".
Good grief.
thanks for your valued contribution chipperfan.
i was implying that the club could release the 'bad' news, on the day when all media, local and national, will be focused on England. If Albion fans were not happy and wanted to voice their opinion, they would get short thrift in the media (e.g. talksport) because it would all be England.
call it humour, call it having a laugh, call it negative. call it an opinion or a comment....
Blimey. Excuse me for putting my jokey opinion across.
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thanks for your valued contribution chipperfan.
i was implying that the club could release the 'bad' news, on the day when all media, local and national, will be focused on England. If Albion fans were not happy and wanted to voice their opinion, they would get short thrift in the media (e.g. talksport) because it would all be England.
Blimey. Excuse me for putting my opinion across.
I may be wrong but I get the feeling you didn't entirely mean it when you said my contribution was valued? :D
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I may be wrong but I get the feeling you didn't entirely mean it when you said my contribution was valued? :D
Valued at....
not a lot !
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Told you 100 pages before we appoint
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Mancini? :o
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No news today guys >:(
@smadeley_star: No movement at Albion today. Sounds like the talks with Sherwood are ongoing and they still hope to announce something before weekend. #wba
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no white smoke today folks.Lets just keep calm now
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Valued at....
not a lot !
I am desolate.
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This is getting silly now!
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no white smoke today folks.Lets just keep calm now
A few hours ago you said there would be white smoke!
This is becoming a borderline farce now. Looks like we're not going to appoint anyone this week now.
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They will announce when they are ready too...
Why its being labelled a farce is beyond me!
Its 1.27pm for gods sake
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They will announce when they are ready too...
Why its being labelled a farce is beyond me!
Its 1.27pm for gods sake
It's also more than 4 weeks since Mel was sacked mate, probably at least 6 weeks since the board knew we would need a new Head Coach this summer. Any due diligence could have been sorted a long time ago.
To be in this position with Sherwood as number one choice (who has also been available for 4 weeks) is becoming a bit of a joke to be honest. It's early in the summer but the longer it goes on the shorter time we have to improve the squad.
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This is a travesty. It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham. (Woody Allen)
Joking apart it is becoming a farce.
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A few hours ago you said there would be white smoke!
This is becoming a borderline farce now. Looks like we're not going to appoint anyone this week now.
more in hope
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Next season theme.Clowns again
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I may be wrong but I get the feeling you didn't entirely mean it when you said my contribution was valued? :D
lol. I'm very sincere - I definitely valued it Chipper (not for long, mind you) :)
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God I wish our season tickets were made of paper so I could rip it up because this is a joke and a farce and a disgrace. I hate JP for making plastic cards that can be easily replaced for a small fee, the money grabbing fiend. We could have signed Aguero by now if the person who doesn't make transfer decisions had been in three weeks ago. We are going to get relegated down three divisions because we are so bad.
Everyone looking forward to the World Cup? :)
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A few hours ago you said there would be white smoke!
This is becoming a borderline farce now. Looks like we're not going to appoint anyone this week now.
I've just sent a courier round to the Hawthorns with a chiminea and a bag of charcoal...
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I am sure Tim is on a world cup panel somewhere, maybe we have to wait until mid July for his annoucement :)
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The only odds that are shortening on oddschecker are for Steve Clarke!
Whats that I can hear? oh its the circus music.
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The only odds that are shortening on oddschecker are for Steve Clarke!
Whats that I can hear? oh its the circus music.
Any of JP's ex Managers/Head Coaches have got no chance whatsoever. Don't know why people even bother putting a bet on them.
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Steve Clarke he who gets on with Keith and Dean and pals.A match made in heaven for Mr Peace.
I would need restraining if that happened
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The only odds that are shortening on oddschecker are for Steve Clarke!
Whats that I can hear? oh its the circus music.
Circus music because his odds have dropped very mildly whilst Sherwood is still the massive odds on favourite?
What next, complaining because someone on twitter claims we're selling Foster and Mulumbu for a 100k each?
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I just dont see it as being a problem, you need too take this due diligence with a pinch of salt.
Due diligence to me means explore every avenue available and then make a choice based on those explorations. Some of the people who we may have wanted to chat too would not have been able to do so until the summer then there is the holiday situation with many people only getting the chance to go on holiday in the close season so the last 2 weeks have only really been the available times to speak to people.
Someone will be appointed and again judging by our setup having a new manager in will not make a huge difference to who we sign player wise and then you have the World Cup which will mean many players wont be available until the tournament ends.
I just dont share the same view that we have to move quickly, apart from Spurs and Man Utd on the manager front no one else has unless they are lower league and those sorts of managers will not interest us anyway
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Circus music because his odds have dropped very mildly whilst Sherwood is still the massive odds on favourite?
What next, complaining because someone on twitter claims we're selling Foster and Mulumbu for a 100k each?
Where's your sense of humor. Or does it take as long as JP to make a decision for it to sink in with you?
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Where's your sense of humor. Or does it take as long as JP to make a decision for it to sink in with you?
This is not a joking matter, if we don't appoint a manager before the magical World Cup cut off date then the Hawthorns explodes or something. ITK.
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Where's your sense of humor. Or does it take as long as JP to make a decision for it to sink in with you?
You're the one who seems upset and thinks it somehow reflects badly on the club that Clarke's odds have slightly dropped.
I'm pretty sure for everyones talk of being a laughing stock, no one outside the club neither knows much or cares about our hunt for a head coach.
It's also hilarious how Downing has somehow been blamed by those with a chip on their shoulder over Mel over this on the previous pages for this delay. It's just as likely, probably more likely actually that any delay in getting Sherwood is down to the terms in his contract (given the club will probably want a break option again after a season) than bringing in coaches.
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Well Keiths new job is available David oldfield as left his post
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Well Keiths new job is available David oldfield as left his post
Same rate of pay less hastle he should jump at the chance
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You'd think so wouldn't you lol
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Why? He isn't the one who gets the stick on match days when things go wrong it's the head coach and the players? He is in close with the first team on the same ammount of money as the under 21 coach and by the sounds of things the first team players kiss the ground he walks on. I certainly wouldn't drop down a position.
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Live right now from Dudley Port.
Black smoke from West Bromwich indicates that no decision has yet been made.
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Live right now from Dudley Port.
Black smoke from West Bromwich indicates that no decision has yet been made.
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Thats coming from the Triplex foundry
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reports coming through that negotiations between peace and sherwood have broken down.
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reports coming through that negotiations between peace and sherwood have broken down.
Come to the fore Chris Hughton
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reports coming through that negotiations between peace and sherwood have broken down.
Where are they coming through? Nothing on newsnow or Twitter or on here for that matter.
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Thats coming from the Triplex foundry
Bagnall Street, Tipton that fire is. Coaches have been set on fire I believe.
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Where are they coming through? Nothing on newsnow or Twitter or on here for that matter.
We have a scaremonger in our midst :-[
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Where are they coming through? Nothing on newsnow or Twitter or on here for that matter.
Coming through someone's backside by the sounds of it!
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I understand Adrian chiles has now applied, and they are also attempting to get big Ron back as his assistant
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I did say many weeks ago (in jest) that Roy was a good bet, as time goes by i'm wishing I had put a tenner on it, Italy 5- Engerland 0 on saturday and we'll have him back in place by monday !
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I did say many weeks ago (in jest) that Roy was a good bet, as time goes by i'm wishing I had put a tenner on it, Italy 5- Engerland 0 on saturday and we'll have him back in place by monday !
Roy is going to retire when he leaves the England job. Roy's a journeyman Manager and probably has fond memories of clubs but has no loyalties to any of them IMO. If he left England and wanted a job rather than retire then he would have plenty of offers from around Europe. Don't see why we would be top of his list.
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reports coming through that negotiations between peace and sherwood have broken down.
Yes this is what I have heard. Not surprised really - this is a very different club to Spurs, things that Sherwood will not be used to.
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Yes this is what I have heard. Not surprised really - this is a very different club to Spurs, things that Sherwood will not be used to.
Heard from where?
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Yes this is what I have heard. Not surprised really - this is a very different club to Spurs, things that Sherwood will not be used to.
From where and whom? Not a tap online.
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Sherwood better sign now. I've just bought and tried on this new gear.
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Sherwood better sign now. I've just bought and tried on this new gear.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp8OOlJCUAEVsuk.jpg)
i got a new top with his name on the back
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Dont mean owt, but theirs a photo of timbo on twitter down the england test match sitting next to stephen finn.
Like I said dont mean owt, except that heavy conversations with the football department are not happening at present.
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I have heard the hold up are his coaching badges, hes obviously doing his theory at Lords
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I've heard that he's demanding 2 cups of tea at half time, JP can't stretch to that.
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If it's true it further backs my decision not to invest in a season ticket again. Last season was a farce and started to feel like a chore last season as it was. I will await for some official word from the local media but it sure doesn't sound good by the sounds of things.
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Bagnall Street, Tipton that fire is. Coaches have been set on fire I believe.
Bit harsh on Kiely and Downing...
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp8N7rNIcAAsiXE.jpg)
Thats not Sherwood.
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Steve clarke 2nd fav all over bookies ffs.
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Steve clarke 2nd fav all over bookies ffs.
i ll tell you what, ill tell you what >:(
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That's not sherwood and stop panicking about Clarke
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People pay way too much attention to the bookies.
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Oh dear, this thread is getting a little tedious
People whacking on about how vindicated they feel about not renewing (by the way why do those that haven’t renewed bang on about it so much, you haven’t renewed, never mind, move on) based on the fact that two posters, who are hardly seen on this board, have said that ‘reports’ are indicating the deal has collapsed – although in a day and age of the internet, 24hr news and twitter no one has actually been able to find these ‘reports’. Furthermore a Sherwood look-a-like has been spotted at a cricket match.. Oh, when I say look-a-like I mean some bloke with same colour hair, anyway that also must point to a collapse in negotiations.
Come on.
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Oh dear, this thread is getting a little tedious
People whacking on about how vindicated they feel about not renewing (by the way why do those that haven’t renewed bang on about it so much, you haven’t renewed, never mind, move on) based on the fact that two posters, who are hardly seen on this board, have said that ‘reports’ are indicating the deal has collapsed – although in the day and age of the internet no one has actually been able to find these ‘reports’. Furthermore a Sherwood look-a-like has been spotted at a cricket match.. Oh when I say look-a-like I mean some bloke with same colour hair, anyway that also must point to a collapse in negotiations.
Come on.
I'm half tempted to close it to be honest for now, not much new that can be confirmed and seems plenty of pointless posts to try and get us to 100 pages so we'll keep an eye on it and remove the rubbish for now.
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People really need to stop paying attention to the bookies. Our market is so small all you need is a couple of idiots who fancy affecting the market with a stupid name to put a couple of quid and there you have it mission accomplished. Clarke will not be returning I'd bet my house and savings on that.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp8N7rNIcAAsiXE.jpg)
Thats not Sherwood.
Which one? :)
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Does anybody actually know whether or whether not the negotiations with Sherwood have actually broken down?
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Heard from where?
I have heard it from a colleague who does usually seem to know what is going on. I can't say it is definitely true but as somebody else had posted the same thing on here I thought I would mention it.
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If we had appointed a head coach a fortnight ago who would he have been coaching?
Relax 8)
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If it's true it further backs my decision not to invest in a season ticket again. Last season was a farce and started to feel like a chore last season as it was. I will await for some official word from the local media but it sure doesn't sound good by the sounds of things.
Don't hang about too long.
According to the Club website 16,000 season tickets have already been sold so lots of supporters do have faith that JP has a plan and that it will all come together for next season. As someone else has already said...relax.
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Chinese whispers!!!
Can anyone tell me when there was any kind of official announcement either that we were going to appoint Tim Sherwood or that we were not going to appoint anyone else? I suggest that even if the Board is in discussions with Sherwood there is nothing to say they are not also in discussione with one or more others as well.
Is it likely that JP and the board have all their eggs in one basket?
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i remain to be convinced JP has a basket :D :D
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i remain to be convinced JP has a basket :D :D
But why is everyone so convinced that he hasn't?! I don't recall any evidence at all either way, just days upon days of rumours.
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"To be announced within the next 48 hours"
"To be announced within the next 24 hours"
"No announcement today, hopefully tomorrow....."
Seriously at what point does all this end? The last two appointments have followed a similar trend. No wonder people are starting to loose the will to live with it all.
Will be nicely topped off if they end up giving it to Downing now...
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I for one just read whats on here about who may be coming in and sit back at wait , rush in get the wrong man and make another mess or take your time and hope this time we get it right , simples ;)
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"To be announced within the next 48 hours"
"To be announced within the next 24 hours"
"No announcement today, hopefully tomorrow....."
Perhaps I missed the announcements but what club officials actually said these things and when?
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But why is everyone so convinced that he hasn't?! I don't recall any evidence at all either way, just days upon days of rumours.
Seems it's far easier to be negative than positive.
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Perhaps I missed the announcements but what club officials actually said these things and when?
The people who are paid to report factual news.
The club wont comment as it's not in their nature to update supporters.
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The people who are paid to report factual news.
The club wont comment as it's not in their nature to update supporters.
But if there are no comments from the club, then how do we know it's factual news rather than speculation?
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I know CL is away on holiday but the other local journos who cover our Club can't be too highly thought of as they are not even fed scraps of info. They don't appear to be doing much digging either to find out exactly what is going on.
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The people who are paid to report factual news.
Or should that be 'The people who are paid to sell newspapers or any old body who feels like it on Twitter' (or God forbid) even this forum!
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The Real Netherton Baggie
June 12, 2014 10:09 am
The year is 2050 and travel to the moon is as easy as going to Spain, the average car does 700 miles to the gallon,train time to London 5 minutes and Albion are still in talks with Tim Sherwood.
Oh,I almost forgot, in 2050, The Dingles went out of business 20 years ago.
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My Downing senses are tingling :o
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My Downing senses are tingling :o
Downing senses? Are you trying to tell us that as a boy you were bitten by a radioactive Downing and since then have developed incredible Downing like powers?
Can you swing from building to building on a gossamer thread of goal netting? Do you shoot football cliches from up your sleeves?
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Downing senses? Are you trying to tell us that as a boy you were bitten by a radioactive Downing and since then have developed incredible Downing like powers?
Can you swing from building to building on a gossamer thread of goal netting? Do you shoot football cliches from up your sleeves?
Brilliant. Want to recreate the old TV cartoon theme tune now.
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If the combination of my mathematics and the Express and Dingles reports are correct, both a long shot - Tim Sherwood should be named head coach at some point during the night!
Seriously now - what do people think will come first, England's first WC game or us naming a new boss?
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Downing senses? Are you trying to tell us that as a boy you were bitten by a radioactive Downing and since then have developed incredible Downing like powers?
Can you swing from building to building on a gossamer thread of goal netting? Do you shoot football cliches from up your sleeves?
Jeremy Peace would make an awesome villain
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Jeremy Peace would make an awesome villain
How true! "Peace by name, evil by nature".
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If the combination of my mathematics and the Express and Dingles reports are correct, both a long shot - Tim Sherwood should be named head coach at some point during the night!
Seriously now - what do people think will come first, England's first WC game or us naming a new boss?
England going out of the World Cup?
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If the combination of my mathematics and the Express and Dingles reports are correct, both a long shot - Tim Sherwood should be named head coach at some point during the night!
Seriously now - what do people think will come first, England's first WC game or us naming a new boss?
Tempted to say that JP will most likely wait until darkness falls before fluttering down from the roost on his leathery wings to call a press conference.
However in, I think, the words of Graham Chapman, this is all getting a bit silly. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't an announcement tomorrow afternoon. Assuming they can come to an agreement of course.
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Tempted to say that JP will most likely wait until darkness falls before fluttering down from the roost on his leathery wings to call a press conference.
However in, I think, the words of Graham Chapman, this is all getting a bit silly. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't an announcement tomorrow afternoon. Assuming they can come to an agreement of course.
...or if it's Dave Jones probable announcement around 11.00 on Saturday evening.
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if its dave jones i,m cancelling my season ticket ent going up the baggies to see that dingle there
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A quick question for one of the admins...
Are these frequent and drawn out manager searches good for the future and growth of this forum?
I am assuming at times like these a lot more potential new members find the site, sign up and start contributing? Surely this can only be a good thing going forward.
As stressed as some people are getting this thread does make some very enjoyable/funny reading.
However, saying all that I do hope a decision is reached as soon as possible like everyone else on here!
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Youre absolutely spot on. I live in India so only access to info has been these threads. They have been essential since the ides of March when we were in Pepe Meltdown and staring disaster in the face. (I am a Pepe fan by the way)
With all the awfully biased reporting about the club last season , the endless procrastination from the Club itself and a total lack of realisation from the top that the fans are actually important, these threads have been the only way to keep ones sanity at times.
All our opinions vary, be a boring world if they didnt, but we all have one thing in common...the best interests of the club at heart for our kids and for the future.
We are the people who put the boing in 'never boring"
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A quick question for one of the admins...
Are these frequent and drawn out manager searches good for the future and growth of this forum?
I am assuming at times like these a lot more potential new members find the site, sign up and start contributing? Surely this can only be a good thing going forward.
As stressed as some people are getting this thread does make some very enjoyable/funny reading.
However, saying all that I do hope a decision is reached as soon as possible like everyone else on here!
The problem isn't with the forums it's with how quickly members get frustrated - if you take out every post that says 'this is a joke/disgrace/farce' and every post that says '______'s odds are changing on oddschecker' then we'd have about 50 pages on this topic. Not having a topic at all wouldn't be good for new users because they're coming here to get news. The admins do a damn good job as it is and apart from policing every single post, these topics are a necessary evil.
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...or if it's Dave Jones probable announcement around 11.00 on Saturday evening.
Dave Jones and Downing together the mouth waters
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The problem isn't with the forums it's with how quickly members get frustrated - if you take out every post that says 'this is a joke/disgrace/farce' and every post that says '______'s odds are changing on oddschecker' then we'd have about 50 pages on this topic. Not having a topic at all wouldn't be good for new users because they're coming here to get news. The admins do a damn good job as it is and apart from policing every single post, these topics are a necessary evil.
Ha ha, to be honest Psalm you do have a point.
However, I would say that some of your responses are the funny ones I was referring to in my original post.
For what it's worth, fair play to you for answering so many of those "joke/disgrace/farce" posts with a lot of realism\common sense and humour.
Keep it up - it is making this whole process a lot more bearable!
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The thing is, PsalmXXIII, that people getting frustrated too soon is you're opinion rather than a fact. I think this is day 32 since Pepe Mel left so those who are frustrated have every right to be now.
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Hopefully this doesn't play out like the Blackpool saga at the beginning of 2013... Oyston took them all around the houses twice, and Ince took the job after previously saying he wasn't interested!
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Hopefully this doesn't play out like the Blackpool saga at the beginning of 2013... Oyston took them all around the houses twice, and Ince took the job after previously saying he wasn't interested!
Like jeremy did with pepe mel last time.
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Hopefully this doesn't play out like the Blackpool saga at the beginning of 2013... Oyston took them all around the houses twice, and Ince took the job after previously saying he wasn't interested!
Incidentally, anybody fancy having Oyston as chairman in place of Jezza? Nope, thought not.
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Hopefully this doesn't play out like the Blackpool saga at the beginning of 2013... Oyston took them all around the houses twice, and Ince took the job after previously saying he wasn't interested!
Are you saying Peace will take us around the houses twice then we'll get Moyes who previously said he wasn't interested? Thought so! And you're ITK? Excellent!
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Todays the day surely!!
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Todays the day surely!!
Cant see it, its all gone quite over there
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@ Psalm - I did initially think that Moyes would be the man, and that it would be an excellent appointment, so disappointing that it doesn't seem to be the case.
I followed the Blackpool saga quite closely for months, and it was quite unbelievable what went on during that time.
It was a running joke that he would disappear until the transfer window was over in January, so that the new manager couldn't spend any money, and they would have to make do with loan signings again.
However, it transpired that it would be exactly like that, and as an outsider following, I felt pretty bad for the fans.
It seems that he has ensured that it's been possible to siphon out the majority of the parachute money, whilst the fans suffer year on year.
Still, at least they're never in danger of turning into another Pompey...
I've only been following for a week or so, but I've seen a lot of posts that are very similar in tone to those on the Blackpool board, and can only imagine how frustrating it is having to go through the wringer while only hearing chinese whispers for weeks.
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@ Psalm - I did initially think that Moyes would be the man, and that it would be an excellent appointment, so disappointing that it doesn't seem to be the case.
I followed the Blackpool saga quite closely for months, and it was quite unbelievable what went on during that time.
It was a running joke that he would disappear until the transfer window was over in January, so that the new manager couldn't spend any money, and they would have to make do with loan signings again.
However, it transpired that it would be exactly like that, and as an outsider following, I felt pretty bad for the fans.
It seems that he has ensured that it's been possible to siphon out the majority of the parachute money, whilst the fans suffer year on year.
Still, at least they're never in danger of turning into another Pompey...
I've only been following for a week or so, but I've seen a lot of posts that are very similar in tone to those on the Blackpool board, and can only imagine how frustrating it is having to go through the wringer while only hearing chinese whispers for weeks.
Not even sure it's Chinese whispers more like North Korean silence! Nothing from the club and local news outlets using Oddschecker to tell us who's top of the list of people someone bet £2 on. As much as fans are frustrated at the club giving updates very few clubs do release statements on their targets especially with other clubs looking for managers who could scupper deals. Slating the club for not shouting from the rooftops is silly - almost every other clubs manager speculation is leaked by a newspaper not te club.
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@ Psalm - I did initially think that Moyes would be the man, and that it would be an excellent appointment, so disappointing that it doesn't seem to be the case.
I followed the Blackpool saga quite closely for months, and it was quite unbelievable what went on during that time.
It was a running joke that he would disappear until the transfer window was over in January, so that the new manager couldn't spend any money, and they would have to make do with loan signings again.
However, it transpired that it would be exactly like that, and as an outsider following, I felt pretty bad for the fans.
It seems that he has ensured that it's been possible to siphon out the majority of the parachute money, whilst the fans suffer year on year.
I've only been following for a week or so, but I've seen a lot of posts that are very similar in tone to those on the Blackpool board, and can only imagine how frustrating it is having to go through the wStill, at least they're never in danger of turning into another Pompey... ringer while only hearing chinese whispers for weeks.
Sick of hearing that one to be honest (know you are saying it in jest). Pompey had a good ride, trips to the San Siro, FA Cup win, great squad full of internationals. Now they are having a nice time in League two visiting proper football grounds with proper fans.
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Sick of hearing that one to be honest (know you are saying it in jest). Pompey had a good ride, trips to the San Siro, FA Cup win, great squad full of internationals. Now they are having a nice time in League two visiting proper football grounds with proper fans.
And I wouldnt swap places with them one bit
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Not even sure it's Chinese whispers more like North Korean silence! Nothing from the club and local news outlets using Oddschecker to tell us who's top of the list of people someone bet £2 on. As much as fans are frustrated at the club giving updates very few clubs do release statements on their targets especially with other clubs looking for managers who could scupper deals. Slating the club for not shouting from the rooftops is silly - almost every other clubs manager speculation is leaked by a newspaper not te club.
Bad wording by me, and I just meant that it was weeks of conjecture, with nothing of substance ever getting out. As you say, clubs don't really do 'updates', and normally just make announcements when something newsworthy is about to, or has happened.
Sick of hearing that one to be honest (know you are saying it in jest). Pompey had a good ride, trips to the San Siro, FA Cup win, great squad full of internationals. Now they are having a nice time in League two visiting proper football grounds with proper fans.
Well, only partly in jest, because I have a soft spot for them after spending a large part of my working life based in Pompey.
I can't count myself as a proper fan, so don't know how many of them would feel that the success would have been worth them going to the wall, which they very nearly did.
With a bit of luck, it will all be resolved today, and things will kick on from there.
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Could today finally be the day?
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http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/13/west-brom-prepared-to-allow-tim-sherwood-to-bring-his-own-staff/?
Both Les Ferdinand and Chris Ramsey are set to join Sherwood at the club if, as expected, he agrees a deal to take over the Baggies.
Ramsey has already met the Hawthorns hierarchy along with Sherwood while former England striker Ferdinand, who is currently on holiday, is also being lined up for a role on the Albion staff.
The trio worked together at Tottenham and look set to be reunited barring a late breakdown in contract negotiations.
The decision to allow Sherwood two of his own favoured lieutenants is a break with recent tradition for Albion and will inevitably raise doubts over the role of Keith Downing, although the former caretaker boss is expected to be named as Sherwood’s No.2.
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Could today finally be the day?
Well if it isn't then I will go from a "due diligence" fan to a "this is turning into a joke" type of fan.
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Looks promising. Just get it done Albion!
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Get it done today so I can collect my winning bet from the bookie! Sadly, it's only £12.50 profit, but I'll re-invest it on a World Cup bet :D
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Why does Downing have to be a number 2? Why can't the new head coach pick his own assistant? Surely forcing someone to work with an assistant coach they've not met is counter productive? Mel wasn't allowed one either.
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Why does Downing have to be a number 2? Why can't the new head coach pick his own assistant? Surely forcing someone to work with an assistant coach they've not met is counter productive? Mel wasn't allowed one either.
Beggars belief, how can he be lauded as such a good coach when players he is coaching get progressively worse?
I can put up with the timeframe, takes as long as it takes, but this Downing must stay thing baffles me. Can anyone give any good reason behind this thinking because I'm at a loss?
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There's got to come a time where Downing feels a burden and gets embarrassed that the club get into a disagreement with potential candidates because of him.
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There's got to come a time where Downing feels a burden and gets embarrassed that the club get into a disagreement with potential candidates because of him.
Its called doing the right thing. Something Downing cant be familiar with.
Surely he'd get another coaching job elsewhere.
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I have defended Downing quite a lot because i think he seems to be being made the scapegoat for last season, yet people dont seem to wish to praise him for seasons previous when we did well, basically dont praise him for good things, but slate him for bad things. RDM, Hodgson and Clarke all promoted him and i find it hard to believe those promotions would of been forced on them?
Also whatever the rights and wrongs, we got a decent points return under Kiely and Him over Xmas and also if reports are to be believed, it was those two who got us over the line and kept us up so i think he should be shown some respect and praised instead of been blamed for everything thats gone wrong, he deserves some of the flak without a doubt because of the coaching side such as Set pieces, etc, but i think it was Clarke who said the players were driving him mad because they worked on stuff all week long and went it came to games, they just didnt do it, that to me is the players, not the coaches. Also Downing has never signed a player for us as far as i know, he is in charge of coaching whatever the head coach / 'football department' put in front of him.
That said, i also would imagine if as rumoured it is insisted he is Sherwoods Number 2 then he must start to feel uncomfortable, if Sherwood is bringing in his own team then he will be friends with them, trust them, worked with them, etc before and yet there is a bloke who is his assistant by default really which isnt fair on Sherwood, Downing or the players. I could understand the insistence in a way for Downing to be kept on under Pepe Mel as he couldnt speak English, didnt know a lot about the Premier League and with an experiment like that it made sense to have a safe pair of hands, with Sherwood its different, he is bringing 2 or 3 of his people and unless he has requested Downing be his assistant then i cant see the point.
I can understand wanting to keep Downing at the club, i think if all goes t**ts up then its good to have that steady safe pair of hands who can step in, and its worked for other clubs in the past having 'a boot room' so to speak, it would appear Downings strengths and Coaching and players seem to like him, whether he could work jointly with the Academy and First Team on a coaching basis so there is a smooth progression up from them i dont know, or something like that has a purpose, but to be kept on in quite a senior role such as Assistant Manager because the club insist on it must be uncomfortable for all parties.
Again the above is a lot of rumour at the moment but if Downing does leave i hope he is given some respect for stepping up when needed.
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Sherwood has agreed terms and they're sorting terms with Les Ferdinand and Chris Ramsay who are both joining his backroom team when the deal is agreed. That's what Steve Madeley has tweeted. So we could assume if that is what has been discussed over the last 48 hours, we could get an announcement today/tomorrow. Ferdinand's on holiday but i guess they're Skyping and phoning
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Les could be a very useful asset to have especially for our mis firing strikers
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Les could be a very useful asset to have especially for our mis firing strikers
Yes.
Hope he brings his boots
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Sherwood has agreed terms and they're sorting terms with Les Ferdinand and Chris Ramsay who are both joining his backroom team when the deal is agreed. That's what Steve Madeley has tweeted. So we could assume if that is what has been discussed over the last 48 hours, we could get an announcement today/tomorrow. Ferdinand's on holiday but i guess they're Skyping and phoning
Wouldnt there agents just sort out the deal anyway?
Ferdinand would get in our starting 11 with our strikers
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Steve madeley just tweeted this
Now being told Albion are still considering alternatives to Sherwood. Might just be trying to rattle his cage, but interesting. #wba
:o
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Like I said last week, lways expct the unexpected at the Albion
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Steve madeley just tweeted this
Now being told Albion are still considering alternatives to Sherwood. Might just be trying to rattle his cage, but interesting. #wba
:o
I'm still not 100% convinced that Sherwood is actually the number one choice.
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New head coach set to be appointed today at West Brom
West Brom: Tim Sherwood not the only name in the frame as Baggies Head Coach hunt nears a conlusion
West Bromwich Albion remain confident of appointing their new Head Coach later today.
But it now appears to be a two horse race, rather than a straight appointment of Tim Sherwood.
Sherwood was expected to have been unveiled by now but there have been rumours of an impasse over the financial terms offered to his backroom team.
Les Ferdinand and Chris Ramsey both worked with Sherwood at Tottenham Hotspur.
It was clear from the outset that Sherwood would want to continue that partnership at his next job.
It would appear plenty of negotiation still needs to take place with Jeremy Peace keen to protect the existing coaching staff of Keith Downing and Dean Kiely.
The exit of Under-21 Coach David Oldfield to MK Dons offers no more than a chink of light with regards to Peace's ability to manoeuvre. Oldfield's role rarely touched the senior ranks and his salary won't come to anything like that wanted by Ferdinand or Ramsey.
Intriguingly, Albion are insistent that another name remains in the frame.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-tim-sherwood-not-7264107 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-tim-sherwood-not-7264107)
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I dont think he is first choice either, I still think that there is more to this saga
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@smadeley_star - Steve Madeley
Delay in Sherwood appointment seems to be over terms for Ferdinand and Ramsey. Sherwood happy with his own deal. #wba still confident.
Peace has decided that Sherwood is the man he wants. This, I suspect, means they will get past this snag, although it's frustrating. #wba
Now being told Albion are still considering alternatives to Sherwood. Might just be trying to rattle his cage, but interesting. #wba
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Wy do I get a feeling that Rene Girard is the other name and the left field one??
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Knowing our luck Hughton is probably the other man
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-head-coach-latest-7263977
Weird, there must be several articles at the same time...
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I think the club are saying there is another contender in for the job to possibly rush Sherwood into signing. If there is another contender and should that other contender take the job at the expense of Sherwood then obviously he will remain unemployed and looking for another management job elsewhere. I may be totally wrong but it does sound like scare tactics on the clubs part. If there was someone else waiting in the wings ready to take the job from under Sherwoods nose im sure we would of heard of it a couple of days ago. Either way it does now sound as though we will hear something later on this afternoon.
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I have defended Downing quite a lot because i think he seems to be being made the scapegoat for last season, yet people dont seem to wish to praise him for seasons previous when we did well, basically dont praise him for good things, but slate him for bad things. RDM, Hodgson and Clarke all promoted him and i find it hard to believe those promotions would of been forced on them?
Also whatever the rights and wrongs, we got a decent points return under Kiely and Him over Xmas and also if reports are to be believed, it was those two who got us over the line and kept us up so i think he should be shown some respect and praised instead of been blamed for everything thats gone wrong, he deserves some of the flak without a doubt because of the coaching side such as Set pieces, etc, but i think it was Clarke who said the players were driving him mad because they worked on stuff all week long and went it came to games, they just didnt do it, that to me is the players, not the coaches. Also Downing has never signed a player for us as far as i know, he is in charge of coaching whatever the head coach / 'football department' put in front of him.
That said, i also would imagine if as rumoured it is insisted he is Sherwoods Number 2 then he must start to feel uncomfortable, if Sherwood is bringing in his own team then he will be friends with them, trust them, worked with them, etc before and yet there is a bloke who is his assistant by default really which isnt fair on Sherwood, Downing or the players. I could understand the insistence in a way for Downing to be kept on under Pepe Mel as he couldnt speak English, didnt know a lot about the Premier League and with an experiment like that it made sense to have a safe pair of hands, with Sherwood its different, he is bringing 2 or 3 of his people and unless he has requested Downing be his assistant then i cant see the point.
I can understand wanting to keep Downing at the club, i think if all goes t**ts up then its good to have that steady safe pair of hands who can step in, and its worked for other clubs in the past having 'a boot room' so to speak, it would appear Downings strengths and Coaching and players seem to like him, whether he could work jointly with the Academy and First Team on a coaching basis so there is a smooth progression up from them i dont know, or something like that has a purpose, but to be kept on in quite a senior role such as Assistant Manager because the club insist on it must be uncomfortable for all parties.
Again the above is a lot of rumour at the moment but if Downing does leave i hope he is given some respect for stepping up when needed.
Not blaming him for all that has gone wrong, as you say he does not sign players, he does however coach them, therefore think it is fair to question if he is actually any good at it if the performances decline.
I'm all for continuity provided we are showing consistent improvement, if not then all involved have to be open to question.
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Knowing our luck Hughton is probably the other man
Coughs under his breath
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Said it all along.. Welcome to WBA Neil Lennon
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If i am wrong about my previous post i would love to know who the other contender for the job is. It amazes me how the club keep these things so quiet. We are currently on the day when all could potentially be revealed yet we dont know who the other remaining contender is.
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England going out of the World Cup?
England WINNING the world cup !
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@smadeley_star - Steve Madeley
Delay in Sherwood appointment seems to be over terms for Ferdinand and Ramsey. Sherwood happy with his own deal. #wba still confident.
Peace has decided that Sherwood is the man he wants. This, I suspect, means they will get past this snag, although it's frustrating. #wba
Now being told Albion are still considering alternatives to Sherwood. Might just be trying to rattle his cage, but interesting. #wba
I got an SMS earlier this morning Australia time saying the same thing from an acquaintance whom I posted about earlier this week. It was hoped that it would of been sorted yesterday but now some certain contractual terms are being fought out. It is believed to be about the coaching team and whom is responsible for what etc.
Obviously this is what the delay is and it's very understandable for all parties. These contracts have to be very precise.
I would do the very same in any contract I'm asked to sign in the past and have been stung by not being concise and doing my due diligence.
You may ask for a certain caveat to be added then based on that an employer will add an addition which can change the whole make up of a contract.
I've experienced it many times and also been given ultimatums of other candidates or contractors whom are being considered etc.
It's all part of the game and a sad truth.
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Lets hope its because of Downings pay-off
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Steve Madeley â€@smadeley_star
My feeling is the Sherwood deal will still end up being done, including Ferdinand and Ramsey. But it's suddenly become complicated.
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Steve Madeley â€@smadeley_star
My feeling is the Sherwood deal will still end up being done, including Ferdinand and Ramsey. But it's suddenly become complicated.
and we all know the reason behind that dont we Keith
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and we all know the reason behind that dont we Keith
How is Downing having any effect on the delay? We've agreed to take on Ferdinand and Ramsey but the hold up's with their contracts by the looks of it.
Aren't they still both employed by Spurs? We may well have to pay compensation for them if they are.
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Downing shouldn't even be part of the conversation. We need a fresh start and clean slate. Hand downing the U21 roles or he can pack his bags.
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and we all know the reason behind that dont we Keith
It doesnt sound as though the problem is Downing or Kiely in this instance surprisingly. It sounds as though Sherwood is happy with his contract but is holding out for better terms for Ferdinand and Ramsey.
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Steve Madeley â€@smadeley_star
My feeling is the Sherwood deal will still end up being done, including Ferdinand and Ramsey. But it's suddenly become complicated.
Sort of supports what I've been hearing! But I'm sure it will come to an amicable arrangement. I'd rather that all parties are happy in the end so everything is clear and the focus can switch to the next 2 months of getting us back in a position to be competitive.
It would not surprise me if these delays are also about what the investment needed for us to be competitive also. And we all know that those talks will take time :)
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If the problem lies in Downing having to be his No.2 though then Downing is the problem.
Its like an arranged marriage at the Albion
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If the problem lies in Downing having to be his No.2 though then Downing is the problem.
Its like an arranged marriage at the Albion
Its been reported this morning that isnt the problem. Sherwood is apparently holding out for better deals for his coaching staff.
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Three scenarios:
1. Downing/Kiely situation causing a problem.
2. Sherwood in the frame for Saints job
3. FA not giving Sherwood any more dispensation to get his coaching badges.
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Alex Richards @AA_Richards · 7m
Understand Tim Sherwood move to #WBA could be scuppered by Daniel Levy. Despite sacking him, he wants compensation for he & Les Ferdinand.
He works for the Mirror.
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Alex Richards @AA_Richards · 7m
Understand Tim Sherwood move to #WBA could be scuppered by Daniel Levy. Despite sacking him, he wants compensation for he & Les Ferdinand.
He works for the Mirror.
Interesting. I dont see how that would work if they are no longer employed by Spurs.
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Interesting. I dont see how that would work if they are no longer employed by Spurs.
if spurs put sherwood on gardening leave he would still be being paid by the club there for spurs can demand compensation if i understand the rules around gardening leave
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Its been reported this morning that isnt the problem. Sherwood is apparently holding out for better deals for his coaching staff.
TS would not be able to have any bearing on an individual's personal terms. Each individual would not be able to share these terms otherwise it would be gross misconduct in any employment contract.
It could only be as simple as are you happy or not.
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TS would not be able to have any bearing on an individual's personal terms. Each individual would not be able to share these terms otherwise it would be gross misconduct in any employment contract.
It could only be as simple as are you happy or not.
But he wouldnt have to sign his contract until he was satisfied that his back room staff got what they wantesd too.
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But he wouldnt have to sign his contract until he was satisfied that his back room staff got what they wantesd too.
Agreed
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When Sherwood was shown the door by Spurs they mentioned a break point in the contract (same as us with Pepe). So there shouldn't be any compensation or gardening leave issue.
The salary for his staff sounds more plausible.
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Where is Steven B When you need him? :o
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And in from the left comes Brian McDermott ......
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Said it all along.. Welcome to WBA Neil Lennon
We can dream
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jp i am sure is fully aware of the term gardening leave
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And in from the left comes Brian McDermott ......
Hope so, I'd win £104. I'd actually prefer him to Sherwood too. I can't see it happening though unfortunately.
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Hope so, I'd win £104. I'd actually prefer him to Sherwood too. I can't see it happening though unfortunately.
Another failure of a manager/head coach.No thanks
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If we can't afford to pay Ferdinand and Ramsey what they want surely the simple solution would be to offload an unnecessary member of staff to fund their wages. If only we had a coach at the club who isn't necessary...
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Hope so, I'd win £104. I'd actually prefer him to Sherwood too. I can't see it happening though unfortunately.
You may win £104 pound but you'd lose a lot more money on a wasted season ticket, anti-depressants and a pair of rose-tinted spectacles
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Where is Steven B When you need him? :o
What happened to that fella? Disappeared completely
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And in from the left comes Brian McDermott ......
Zola maybes!
Hopefully we can just announce Sherwood soon. This is getting boring.
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What happened to that fella? Disappeared completely
probably had enough, liked a drink maybe he just drunk somewhere
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Alex Richards @AA_Richards · 7m
Understand Tim Sherwood move to #WBA could be scuppered by Daniel Levy. Despite sacking him, he wants compensation for he & Les Ferdinand.
He works for the Mirror.
Wouldn't surprise me if this were true at all. Levy is probably the most Jeremy Peace like of the other chairman in the league.
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Alex Richards,
He is a freelance from Stourbridge, supports Wo1ve5. Used to work with him in a pub. Im unsure what source he has but he is quite knowledgeable
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Alex Richards @AA_Richards · 7m
Understand Tim Sherwood move to #WBA could be scuppered by Daniel Levy. Despite sacking him, he wants compensation for he & Les Ferdinand.
He works for the Mirror.
Sorry impossible! LMfAO
The counter claim would be huge! As then he would be agreeing to the fact that he should not of been sacked! And as TM's stats showed he was very successful So every lawyer in the world would clamber for that.
Remember also every one of the staff removed would be able to counter on that claim and show precedent.
Come on the rags showing the class of people they employ.
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Sorry impossible! LMfAO
The counter claim would be huge! As then he would be agreeing to the fact that he should not of been sacked! And as TM's stats showed he was very successful So every lawyer in the world would clamber for that.
Remember also every one of the staff removed would be able to counter on that claim and show precedent.
Come on the rags showing the class of people they employ.
Surely it depends if Sherwood is still being paid? Not uncommon for a manager or head coach to get the sack but still take the money that they were entitled to. RDM took Chelsea for a small fortune 18 months after he left and I'm pretty sure he was sacked and not placed on gardening leave.
If Sherwood is still being paid for the last 12 months of the deal he originally signed, then I think Levy has a right to claim compensation.
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If they're still employed by Spurts (even on gardening leave) then we would have to get their permission from Spuds before talking to the individuals. At that point its normal practice to agree any compensation that is applicable. Can't see this being a surprise or the cause of current problems.
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The club are not lying they do have a second candidate so it is not a plan to rush Sherwood along it is genuine. He needs to be really careful and get this agreed because he is close to blowing a chance to be a full time Premiership manager. The lines from around the club seem to be changing every five minutes so it should be a fun evening.
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The club are not lying they do have a second candidate so it is not a plan to rush Sherwood along it is genuine. He needs to be really careful and get this agreed because he is close to blowing a chance to be a full time Premiership manager. The lines from around the club seem to be changing every five minutes so it should be a fun evening.
Thanks for the update Baggie79 - does the second candidate have a name?
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The club are not lying they do have a second candidate so it is not a plan to rush Sherwood along it is genuine. He needs to be really careful and get this agreed because he is close to blowing a chance to be a full time Premiership manager. The lines from around the club seem to be changing every five minutes so it should be a fun evening.
I think we all know Mancini made it known he'd love to work with Keith Downing and would even do the job for free for the opportunity.
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Second candidate? Plan b if TS doesn't sign or a candidate on equal footing, I suppose we may never know who the mystery coach is.
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The club are not lying they do have a second candidate so it is not a plan to rush Sherwood along it is genuine. He needs to be really careful and get this agreed because he is close to blowing a chance to be a full time Premiership manager. The lines from around the club seem to be changing every five minutes so it should be a fun evening.
79, would you be happy if the second option was appointed?
who would you prefer? TS or option 2?
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79 The afore mentioned members are all pussy footing around.
Plain and simple.............who's the second candidate.
You know it will go no further than this board
;)
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I think we all know Mancini made it known he'd love to work with Keith Downing and would even do the job for free for the opportunity.
lol Mancini and Downing, nearly spat me drink out. :D . Lets just hope this saga ends tonight.
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79, would you be happy if the second option was appointed?
who would you prefer? TS or option 2?
I would personally go TS because he has Prem experience and a very good record as well but this is just my personal opinion.
Whoever it is you can guarantee the club will comment he was always the first choice candidate :P
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I would personally go TS because he has Prem experience and a very good record as well but this is just my personal opinion.
Whoever it is you can guarantee the club will comment he was always the first choice candidate :P
Sounds like most of us will be disappointed then when no2 choice is announced.Its the french geeza
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Is the 2nd candidate Downing?
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Is the 2nd candidate Downing?
He has had prem experience
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He has had prem experience
Is Benitez still in a job - he wants to come back to England, maybe its him :o
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Oh god it'll be some absolute liability with no premier league experience like Simeone or Guardiola.
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I don't fancy Herve the swerve! Lets have Timmy
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Can't see us going foreign, especially after the Mel disaster. 2nd choice probably be underwhelming someone like Steve bloody Round. Bit a bit gutted if we miss out on Sherwood he is just what we need. :(
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Herve Renard looks like Dr Christian!
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Baggie79 do you still expect there to be a announcement tonight whether it be Sherwood or the second candidate?
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Herve Rennard was mentioned a lot during the process but Rene Girard, the current Lille manager, stated earlier on the week he had been spoken to but the club had decided on another target. Every chance he may be the second option? Does anyone know if he speaks English? He's certainly an experienced coach.
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Is Benitez still in a job - he wants to come back to England, maybe its him :o
His family still live on the wirral i understand and Pepe Mel wasnt a disaster, he kept us up with his hands tied behind his back
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Hope so, I'd win £104. I'd actually prefer him to Sherwood too. I can't see it happening though unfortunately.
Over a week ago, I threw £50 on Sherwood.......looking forward to this announcement!!
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Baggie79 do you still expect there to be a announcement tonight whether it be Sherwood or the second candidate?
No not at the moment, if there is one it will be late I would imagine but we have done that before.
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I would personally go TS because he has Prem experience and a very good record as well but this is just my personal opinion.
So do you know who the second choice is? Has he not got Prem experience then?
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Baggie79 do you know who the 2nd candidate is? If you do, i assume you cant say.
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He clearly knows who it is because he said he would prefer TS. Most people in Baggie79s position can't give to much away only little pieces here and there because they are told not to dish it out all the while by their source. If they were to constantly tell people they would ruin the relationship with their source then receive no inside information. Thanks for the information Baggie79 as always it's much appreciated.
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There have been no significant moves in the betting market this afternoon to indicate there is a second candidate. If there was one then I am sure the bookies, who have contacts everywhere, would have had a sniff.
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He clearly knows who it is because he said he would prefer TS. Most people in Baggie79s position can't give to much away only little pieces here and there because they are told not to dish it out all the while by their source. If they were to constantly tell people they would ruin the relationship with their source then receive no inside information. Thanks for the information Baggie79 as always it's much appreciated.
Plus if or when they fall through they get slatted to death. ::) :-[
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There have been no significant moves in the betting market this afternoon to indicate there is a second candidate. If there was one then I am sure the bookies, who have contacts everywhere, would have had a sniff.
No wonder ITK poster are getting tight lipped with posts like this.
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No wonder ITK poster are getting tight lipped with posts like this.
Exactly my thoughts. It's certainly going to be a stressful couple of days by the sounds of it folks.
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I can't see the point in so-called ITK posters saying that they know who the second candidate is and then not stating who he is. I might just as well say that I know who he is but that I am not telling you. Pointless. >:(
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I can't see the point in so-called ITK posters saying that they know who the second candidate is and then not stating who he is. I might just as well say that I know who he is but that I am not telling you. Pointless. >:(
He didn't come here to say 'I know who it is but I'm not telling.' He merely confirmed that there's another candidate and that it's not some ploy by the club to force a deal.
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I can't see the point in so-called ITK posters saying that they know who the second candidate is and then not stating who he is. I might just as well say that I know who he is but that I am not telling you. Pointless. >:(
Really though? What would be the point in him telling us the second candidate? It would only cause a meltdown anyway because either 1) people aren't impressed or 2) they are impressed and he didn't get the job.
He's confirming there is in fact a serious second candidate and thank god he has said no more than that...
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Said it all along.. Welcome to WBA Neil Lennon
Apparently he's in line to earn £30,000 a week tax free to manage in the UAE.
Compared to that, JP's standard offer of £250 a week, a flat in Carter's Green, use of the club Fiat Panda and an account at the local Happy Shopper convenience store doesn't seem so appealing.
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Apparently he's in line to earn £30,000 a week tax free to manage in the UAE.
Compared to that, JP's standard offer of £250 a week, a flat in Carter's Green, use of the club Fiat Panda and an account at the local Happy Shopper convenience store doesn't seem so appealing.
I would snap your hands off for that deal
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Please can we not have debate about the ITK posters Baggies 79 has been kind enough to share something with us if anyone has heard anything please do feel free to post and members are free to make of it what they will. For what it is worth I would not be surprised at all if there is a second viable candidate waiting in the wings
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My mates just told me that it's all over west brom fan zone that Ferdinand flew back from his holiday and both are at the training ground as we speak. I doubt it but you never know.
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Am I the only one not really too concerned at the moment?
If our new head coach signs today or next week, surely the majority of the work will start toward the end of the world cup anyway?
Surely most of the scouts and planning would be done for new signings anyway?
I personally feel that Sherwood is the wrong man for this job however if we are taking our time to make sure it's right for all parties then surely this is a good thing?
It shows that all parties are not going into this blind and cannot accuse the other of not being down the line.
Last thing I want to happen is for us to have our hand forced by one thing or another, it needs to be right for the club.
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I know im dreaming but Mancini would be a hell of coup...I couldn't see him coming though
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I would snap your hands off for that deal
I might be tempted, but the sticking point might be the Panda for me. And Keith Downing would have to move into the spare room. As Head Coach I would have to get the master bedroom (and also first choice on what we watch on telly).
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I know im dreaming but Mancini would be a hell of coup...I couldn't see him coming though
Indeed it would, but I think there's more chance of us getting Henry Mancini with the Pink Panther as his number 2 than the great Roberto.
But you never know on this strangest of days... ;)
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Am I the only one not really too concerned at the moment?
If our new head coach signs today or next week, surely the majority of the work will start toward the end of the world cup anyway?
Surely most of the scouts and planning would be done for new signings anyway?
I personally feel that Sherwood is the wrong man for this job however if we are taking our time to make sure it's right for all parties then surely this is a good thing?
It shows that all parties are not going into this blind and cannot accuse the other of not being down the line.
Last thing I want to happen is for us to have our hand forced by one thing or another, it needs to be right for the club.
I'm not, whatever the issues are they need to be ironed out at the beginning otherwise they will only come back to bite us on the backside at some point down the road. A day or two will not make the slightest bit of difference to what happens in the coming months. I am almost a complete coach agnostic in that I am not sure whoever we are ever likely to appoint will transform our prospects for good or bad. If it is Sherwood fine if the mystery candidate also fine, probably.
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Is Dave Jones working as a consultant to the board again with this appointment?
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It is without doubt a complete and utter farce now, Peace said the other day he had learnt lessons, really what ones were those, how to totally urine off any coach before he gets appointed, all the fans, and the entire playing and non playing staff, this is now beyond a crisis. :-\
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Just got back in from work to see who the new manager is. Oh, it's still going on. I assume if we have to turn to the second choice it will probably drag on into next week.
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Just got back in from work to see who the new manager is. Oh, it's still going on. I assume if we have to turn to the second choice it will probably drag on into next week.
No if we miss out we'll have to restart the process and do all of the due diligence, another 32 days.
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Just got back in from work to see who the new manager is. Oh, it's still going on. I assume if we have to turn to the second choice it will probably drag on into next week.
it better now i can't take another week of this its spoiling the world cup for me
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No if we miss out we'll have to restart the process and do all of the due diligence, another 32 days.
i,ll kill jp if it takes another 32 days lol >:(
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Assume for a minute that we announce our new head coach next Friday.
Can those who are really upset with us 'dragging things out' explain the damage it will cause the club?
Because I really cannot understand what difference it makes if we appointed someone two weeks ago or next week. Given that a world cup is on and players arn't due back to pre season for a few weeks, I don't see what 'work' can be done in this time that isn't already going on.
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You can just see it now can't you.
After Peace has just about inebriated off every decent coach available, we will end up with some poor unsuitable sole who will be expected to have us in the top ten on a shoestring, signing 30+ of age journeymen players or inexperienced loaness no one else wants, keeping the chuttle brothers (Downing & Keily) on.
Then come November he will get the sack.
JP then coming out and saying we will get it right this time, then taking until February to appoint another unknown, who can't sign anyone because JP didn't want to spend any money so he deliberately took until after the transfer window, and then he will be sacked because we will be close to being relegated or worse, relegated.
Sorry but it is now becoming a soap opera every season, where you know what's coming next.
Or maybe, we have got it all wrong, he appoints someone like Moyes and gives him money to spend, oops sorry got sunstroke then....
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Assume for a minute that we announce our new head coach next Friday.
Can those who are really upset with us 'dragging things out' explain the damage it will cause the club?
Because I really cannot understand what difference it makes if we appointed someone two weeks ago or next week. Given that a world cup is on and players arn't due back to pre season for a few weeks, I don't see what 'work' can be done in this time that isn't already going on.
The damage it does is it shows the club in a bad light and will make players think twice and not join a club that appears to be rudder less and just drifting along. We need an appointment soon just to steady the ship even at this time of year!
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You can just see it now can't you.
After Peace has just about inebriated off every decent coach available, we will end up with some poor unsuitable sole who will be expected to have us in the top ten on a shoestring, signing 30+ of age journeymen players or inexperienced loaness no one else wants, keeping the chuttle brothers (Downing & Keily) on.
Then come November he will get the sack.
JP then coming out and saying we will get it right this time, then taking until February to appoint another unknown, who can't sign anyone because JP didn't want to spend any money so he deliberately took until after the transfer window, and then he will be sacked because we will be close to being relegated or worse, relegated.
Sorry but it is now becoming a soap opera every season, where you know what's coming next.Or maybe, we have got it all wrong, he appoints someone like Moyes and gives him money to spend, oops sorry got sunstroke then....
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Its happened only one season
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I'm not, whatever the issues are they need to be ironed out at the beginning otherwise they will only come back to bite us on the backside at some point down the road. A day or two will not make the slightest bit of difference to what happens in the coming months. I am almost a complete coach agnostic in that I am not sure whoever we are ever likely to appoint will transform our prospects for good or bad. If it is Sherwood fine if the mystery candidate also fine, probably.
but surely the head coach is THE most important person as far as running the 1st team goes and the appointment will inevitably affect the teams performance next season (granted it's difficult to say what the effect will be for a particular choice)
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Now confirmed that there will be no news today!
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Steve Madeley has just said that no appointment will be made today. Maybe over the weekend though.
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Steve Madeley has just said that no appointment will be made today. Maybe over the weekend though.
This weekend or a random week within the next year?
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So come on all you optimists tell me all the positives about the new manager being announced over the weekend or maybe next week. Convince me this is about due diligence and not that our terms are not attractive enough that we have to go further down our list of candidates as usual.
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So basically our top 2 candidates have less than 6 months Prem experience between the pair of them.
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It is without doubt a complete and utter farce now, Peace said the other day he had learnt lessons, really what ones were those, how to totally pee off any coach before he gets appointed, all the fans, and the entire playing and non playing staff, this is now beyond a crisis. :-\
Have you bugged his office? How is he peeing off coaches? It's a farce because it's taking a while? It's not mid season it's post season. Think for a minute, if he takes this long but gets a manager who does well with us and we do much better next season than last will you give a damn about how long this appointment has taken? No. If the manager he brings in gets us on a cup run and we play some lovely attractive football will you come on here and slate how long it took? If the answer is no, don't do it now.
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Exasperated.
Despondency has set in.
What were the lessons learned from the December/January due diligence?
Mutley, do something!
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Just out of interest why and how do you know it's peaces fault there is another chairman involved in all this who is far more of a bellend
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A bit frustrating but i dont understand the panic.
Hasnt it been already reported that Sherwood has agreed terms and its sorting out his backroom staff, one of whom is allegedly on holiday (Ferdinand)
We messed up the appointment in the season and got it wrong, now is the time where we can take our time and make sure we get it right, the players arent due back until July, as far as i know we havent missed out on any signings because hardly anybody is signing anyone anyway and as we dont know who our new coach is, we dont know who they want.
We could of probably appointed a manager on May 13th - Dave Jones, Keith Downing, Carlton Palmer, etc there are loads looking for jobs, there are also 700 players on free transfers since last season, we could of signed 100 of them no problem but surely we are at a stage and level as a club where we need to take our time and not undo the good work done previous.
Last year was rubbish, no glossing that one up, but previous seasons our system has worked just fine and the powers that be have acknowledged the mistakes made last season and personally i think based on the job done overall, they deserve the chance to get it right again.
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As I have mentioned previously, the Club can easily put an end to the exasperation expressed in this forum by giving regular updates on their search for a new Head Coach. Obviously, they don't need to be specific but an indication of progress will appease so many people. After appointing the new Head Coach the club's next priority should be the appointment of a decent public relations officer. But I doubt JP will sanction this as he is the god!
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As I have mentioned previously, the Club can easily put an end to the exasperation expressed in this forum by giving regular updates on their search for a new Head Coach. Obviously, they don't need to be specific but an indication of progress will appease so many people. After appointing the new Head Coach the club's next priority should be the appointment of a decent public relations officer. But I doubt JP will sanction this as he is the god!
you mean like what they release to the press? after all suddenly the E&S is getting all these updates when beforehand they had nothing whatsoever. Them saying something for the sake of it would be completely pointless unless you'd prefer a statement like "WBA can officially announce that we have spoken to people, one of whom may or may not be the next manager." I can guess that thanks... It's a total waste of their time and ours.
I prefer clubs to be specific in what they say, not to talk without speaking. If they don't want to be specific, let the journalists try and figure it out. It's their job after all.
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The damage it does is it shows the club in a bad light and will make players think twice and not join a club that appears to be rudder less and just drifting along. We need an appointment soon just to steady the ship even at this time of year!
Players look at the amount of zeros in the contract before they look at who is coaching them, especially at our level.
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Procrastinating bull..........we set the bloody benchmark for dilly bloody dallying.
No kit, no sponsor, no coach, no players.......all around us are signing, we are day dreaming , and we will sleepwalk into another sodding fiasco of a season.
However if we appoint Tiny Tim, launch the （ hopefully Nigerian template）pinstripes, showcase Tata as our sponsors, and start to sign some half decent players in the very near future, then all the above negativity will disappear as fast as a Dingles Cup run.
Welcome to the Sandwell version of EuroDisney.....Peaces World......no one has a clue what's going to happen but we are all there for the ride. God help us.
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Procrastinating bull..........we set the bloody benchmark for dilly bloody dallying.
No kit, no sponsor, no coach, no players.......all around us are signing, we are day dreaming , and we will sleepwalk into another sodding fiasco of a season.
However if we appoint Tiny Tim, launch the （ hopefully Nigerian template）pinstripes, showcase Tata as our sponsors, and start to sign some half decent players in the very near future, then all the above negativity will disappear as fast as a Dingles Cup run.
Welcome to the Sandwell version of EuroDisney.....Peaces World......no one has a clue what's going to happen but we are all there for the ride. God help us.
. Calm down ! Everything will fall into place . We will get our coach in place in the next couple of days The strip and sponsor are in place and finally Nobody's doing business until the World Cup is over so take Achilles pill and Enjoy the football
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. Calm down ! Everything will fall into place . We will get our coach in place in the next couple of days The strip and sponsor are in place and finally Nobody's doing business until the World Cup is over so take Achilles pill and Enjoy the football
We're supposed to be fielding 2 teams, in simultaneous friendlies, 2 days after the world cup finishes. Stoke have signed 4 players so far - 3 on frees.
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JP clearly waiting until this thread hits 100 pages before making an announcement. Nearly there guys. Keep on posting the negative crazy rubbish and it will happen soon.
Me I'll just enjoy my beer in the sun watching the World Cup.
Keep it up.
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If the back up option has no PL experience, could it be Mcinnes? Peace likes him and he's repaired his reputation a bit at Aberdeen. I'd prefer him over Sherwood if it was the case.
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Whilst I understand these things take time and we don't want to rush out and appoint just anyone, I find it really hard to believe that after several weeks of looking for someone the name we come up with is Sherwood. There must have been a lot of 'dross' candidates interested.
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If the back up option has no PL experience, could it be Mcinnes? Peace likes him and he's repaired his reputation a bit at Aberdeen. I'd prefer him over Sherwood if it was the case.
Although it struck me as unlikely, Dyche has been mentioned as being in the final three - also no prem experience as yet.
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JP clearly waiting until this thread hits 100 pages before making an announcement. Nearly there guys. Keep on posting the negative crazy rubbish and it will happen soon.
Me I'll just enjoy my beer in the sun watching the World Cup.
Keep it up.
Keep the apathetic, JP apologist, crazy rubbish coming.
JP needs to be reassured that the can keeping feeding us proles with fodder. We'll accept whatever.
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The only anxiety I feel is that I just want to know the answer.
Apart from that I'm pretty relaxed. It's a World Cup year. Transfer business will be a bit slow anyway, even if we had a HC in harness.
My guess is that when whoever it is is installed, one of the first items of business will be to go through the list of possible transfers (and transfers in progress) which TB and RG should- SHOULD- have drawn up if they know their jobs and they know what's good for them.
A few more bulletins or updates from the Club wouldn't go amiss though, out of courtesy to the fans (dream on with JP I know...)
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Calm down ! Everything will fall into place . We will get our coach in place in the next couple of days The strip and sponsor are in place and finally Nobody's doing business until the World Cup is over so take Achilles pill and Enjoy the football
We're supposed to be fielding 2 teams, in simultaneous friendlies, 2 days after the world cup finishes. Stoke have signed 4 players so far - 3 on frees.
Take your boots if you are going to one of them.
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Really don't buy all of this 'World cup year so transfer business is slow rubbish', its just an excuse. Not every player in the world is at the World Cup and if it is supposedly slow then how did the Fabregas and Sagna deals go thorough today as did the Luiz deal as this magical World Cup is on. Stoke are racing through the transfers.
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Keep the apathetic, JP apologist, crazy rubbish coming.
JP needs to be reassured that the can keeping feeding us proles with fodder. We'll accept whatever.
What, exactly, in my post is "JP apologist"? And while you're thinking about that try taking a breath now and again and your posts might be readable.
Chill out. There is nothing we can do. There has been a hold up - might be with us or it might be with spurs - not a lot seems to be happening with transfers at the moment so where are we falling behind.
My point was that as soon as five minutes goes by without an appointment there are people, quite literally, screaming that it is all JP's fault; lack of ambition blah blah blah. These things actually do take time. Just chill out and let's see what happens.
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Ryan Giggs hasn't got a lot of EPL managerial experience.
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Sorry guys cant see what all the fuss is about.
Correct me if I am wrong but so far;
We have a number 1 and number 2 candidate.
Terms have been agreed with No 1 (Sherwood) so he is happy to work under the terms and conditions agreed with him.
It has been muted that he will be allowed to bring in his own assistants.
The stumbling block is the amount that the assistants will be paid.
That stumbling block may/may not be overcome.
If not we move onto number 2.
It will be sorted when JP is happy with the deal and not until.
having said all that if after all this time he appoints a complete dog I will be as pi$$ed as everybody eldr
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If the back up option has no PL experience, could it be Mcinnes? Peace likes him and he's repaired his reputation a bit at Aberdeen. I'd prefer him over Sherwood if it was the case.
Terry Butcher?
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What, exactly, in my post is "JP apologist"? And while you're thinking about that try taking a breath now and again and your posts might be readable.
Chill out. There is nothing we can do. There has been a hold up - might be with us or it might be with spurs - not a lot seems to be happening with transfers at the moment so where are we falling behind.
My point was that as soon as five minutes goes by without an appointment there are people, quite literally, screaming that it is all JP's fault; lack of ambition blah blah blah. These things actually do take time. Just chill out and let's see what happens.
I don't worry about things i can affect. We just have different perspectives. However, your 5 minutes is 5 weeks (officially) on Monday.
And if you could try to be less condescending your posts might be readable.
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BBC Sport's Pat Murphy said: "I understand there's a substantial gap between West Brom's offer and what Ramsey and Ferdinand expect.
"Sherwood's perfectly happy with his terms and contract but he won't budge over what he believes is a derisory offer to Ramsey and Ferdinand."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27777861
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BBC Sport's Pat Murphy said: "I understand there's a substantial gap between West Brom's offer and what Ramsey and Ferdinand expect.
"Sherwood's perfectly happy with his terms and contract but he won't budge over what he believes is a derisory offer to Ramsey and Ferdinand."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27777861
The longer this goes on I think the less likely it is to happen.
To have an argument at this stage over wages is not the best start to a convivial working relationship is it?
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The longer this goes on I think the less likely it is to happen.
To have an argument at this stage over wages is not the best start to a convivial working relationship is it?
I agree. I've said it before on here.....he won't come to us. Candidates with experience of working for clubs at the level of Spurs are not going to be happy with us in the long term. We cant afford those sorts of terms and conditions.
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From what I understand Sherwood is playing ball with Jeremy. He wants to come and we want to him, that goes without saying. Ferdinand and Ramsey were on a fair bit at Spurs and are expecting something similar, sadly we don't have their budget so they won't get that.
The second candidate is a very experienced manager but hasn't got any Prem experience.
As it stands, it still looks like Sherwood.
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From what I understand Sherwood is playing ball with Jeremy. He wants to come and we want to him, that goes without saying. Ferdinand and Ramsey were on a fair bit at Spurs and are expecting something similar, sadly we don't have their budget so they won't get that.
The second candidate is a very experienced manager but hasn't got any Prem experience.
As it stands, it still looks like Sherwood.
Strikes me they're very lucky boys to have the chance to walk straight into another job at a Premier League club so soon. They're better off taking what's been offered. They can always play hardball over numbers when they've got a bit of success under the belts and have a stronger bargaining position.
They'll hardly be on the minimum wage now would they? :P
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The longer this goes on I think the less likely it is to happen.
To have an argument at this stage over wages is not the best start to a convivial working relationship is it?
Its a shame that they didn't have this conversation 3 weeks ago.
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Its a shame that they didn't have this conversation 3 weeks ago.
But everyone was on holiday!
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I'm not sure why people say he's playing "hard ball" they're just trying to thrash out terms and it's taking longer than they thought?! It's frustrating but slating the club is harsh, we don't know what Ferdinand and Ramsay are asking for, maybe it's ridiculous?!
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Strikes me they're very lucky boys to have the chance to walk straight into another job at a Premier League club so soon. They're better off taking what's been offered. They can always play hardball over numbers when they've got a bit of success under the belts and have a stronger bargaining position.
They'll hardly be on the minimum wage now would they? :P
I agree - they are no longer at Spurs and this management team are not going to get another job like that. It's not as if we are trying to lure them from another club - unless it really is 'derisory' they should think about taking it because I can't see them getting a much better job.
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Strikes me they're very lucky boys to have the chance to walk straight into another job at a Premier League club so soon. They're better off taking what's been offered. They can always play hardball over numbers when they've got a bit of success under the belts and have a stronger bargaining position.
They'll hardly be on the minimum wage now would they? :P
I totally agree with this. We can't be messed about much more by this impasse. I hope the negotiations continue over the weekend, but if nothing is resolved by early next week then we should move on to Plan B.
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I'm not sure why people say he's playing "hard ball" they're just trying to thrash out terms and it's taking longer than they thought?! It's frustrating but slating the club is harsh, we don't know what Ferdinand and Ramsay are asking for, maybe it's ridiculous?!
Surely the club would have known what these guys wanted during the due diligence process?
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Surely the club would have known what these guys wanted during the due diligence process?
I dunno, thinking logically that wouldn't have happened till everything was agreed with Sherwood, which it would appear happened yesterday maybe the day before, remember that's two people to agree terms with that may not have been available straight away. It's not going to happen overnight. They probably want to think about it too, it could involve moving, apparently Les Ferdinand was on holiday so may not have been available straight away. I'm just as frustrated as you guys though I'm just trying to put some perspective on it
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I'm not sure why people say he's playing "hard ball" they're just trying to thrash out terms and it's taking longer than they thought?! It's frustrating but slating the club is harsh, we don't know what Ferdinand and Ramsay are asking for, maybe it's ridiculous?!
Well I was going by Pat Murphy's use of the word 'derisory' and to give him his due, he's a well-informed jour no who knows Midlands football like he knows the english language. If he uses that word then it's to indicate an impasse.
They also indicated as much on this evening's Five Live sport bulletin, the story being that S was happy personally but that he was sticking up for his mates.
I say again: if Les and the other one don't like it they should either just swallow their pride and realise a good thing when it lands in their laps, or get looking for another job.
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And there you have it ..............
BBC Sport's Pat Murphy said: "I understand there's a substantial gap between West Brom's offer and what Ramsey and Ferdinand expect.
"Sherwood's perfectly happy with his terms and contract but he won't budge over what he believes is a derisory offer to Ramsey and Ferdinand."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27777861
Pat Murphy
BBC Radio 5 live
"There's a stand-off between Tim Sherwood and the West Brom chairman Jeremy Peace.
"I understand it will have to be Mr Peace who blinks first if Sherwood is to take the job. He won't come unless he brings with him Ramsey and Ferdinand, his trusted coaching staff.
"West Brom are known to be one of the lowest payers of staff salaries in the Premier League, and the chairman's being consistent here. But that stubbornness means he may miss out on his number one choice."
It's now or never JP :'(
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Well I was going by Pat Murphy's use of the word 'derisory' and to give him his due, he's a well-informed jour no who knows Midlands football like he knows the english language. If he uses that word then it's to indicate an impasse.
They also indicated as much on this evening's Five Live sport bulletin, the story being that S was happy personally but that he was sticking up for his mates.
I say again: if Les and the other one don't like it they should either just swallow their pride and realise a good thing when it lands in their laps, or get looking for another job.
If the offers derisory, which lets face it is very feasible when it comes to us, then it's not hard ball, he just want fair terms for them. Fair enough
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we don't know what Ferdinand and Ramsay are asking for, maybe it's ridiculous?!
After all, we've got a good track record of being reasonable! ;D
I do hope we're offering them what they're worth....
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We can't be messed about much more by this impasse.
You seem to be assuming that we're being messed about, rather than doing the messing about. Peace does have previous for doing this kind of thing, you know.
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Why oh why! doesn't JP like dealing and paying for back up staff ? Suppose if the untouchables weren't there we would have no problem obvious he only wants two not four .So are Kielly and Downing holding the club back ?
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"West Brom are known to be one of the lowest payers of staff salaries in the Premier League, and the chairman's being consistent here. But that stubbornness means he may miss out on his number one choice."
Which is presumably why we don't get linked with some coaches who might otherwise come to a club of our stature. As it stands, they wouldn't touch us with a bargepole.
What lessons have we supposedly learned exactly?
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Stand off between JP and Sherwood already ......? ???
Oh dear .
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Strikes me they're very lucky boys to have the chance to walk straight into another job at a Premier League club so soon. They're better off taking what's been offered. They can always play hardball over numbers when they've got a bit of success under the belts and have a stronger bargaining position.
They'll hardly be on the minimum wage now would they? :P
No I agree they're better off taking it. But before people accuse JP of penny pinching, he isn't. They wanted astronomical wages for assistant managers/coaches.
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If the offers derisory, which lets face it is very feasible when it comes to us, then it's not hard ball, he just want fair terms for them. Fair enough
But my reading of the report is that he is playing hardball. Murphy's saying that JP has to "blink first", That's pretty strong stuff, effectively indicating that S is saying 'offer my mates more money or it's off. Take us or leave us.'
'Fair terms' is also a very relative phrase in this instance. All joking aside, these two blokes are not exactly going to be receiving working Tax Credits to top up their incomes.
Of course JP could always give em what they want on condition that the patented "Jeremy Peace Review Clause" is inserted into the contracts, giving him the choice of giving them the flick at a suitable juncture SANS PAYOFF.
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How many managers will we miss out on before the penny drops,
Anyone worth his salt would want his own men.
And does anyone actually think that the under 21 coach thought about loyalty when MK Dons came knocking.
Keeping second rate coaches for stability is a nonsense,sorry i would pay them off like Clark and Mel didn't they work with them when it all went pear shaped.
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Too many of our supporters are panicking and worrying. Calm down!
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Why not give the two backroom staff Sherwood wants 10% more than they asked for if we finish 8th, what they asked for if we finish 4th from bottom and half what they asked if we go down! Surely there is enough in the kitty for that. What concerns me is that I don't think Sherwood has grasped exactly what money constraints the will have to work under at West Brom. Not just for his back up staff but for the purchase off players too.
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Why not give the two backroom staff Sherwood wants 10% more than they asked for if we finish 8th, what they asked for if we finish 4th from bottom and half what they asked if we go down! Surely there is enough in the kitty for that. What concerns me is that I don't think Sherwood has grasped exactly what money constraints the will have to work under at West Brom. Not just for his back up staff but for the purchase off players too.
And this is exactly why I can't see him being appointed. He and JP just would not get on.
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Why not give the two backroom staff Sherwood wants 10% more than they asked for if we finish 8th, what they asked for if we finish 4th from bottom and half what they asked if we go down! Surely there is enough in the kitty for that. What concerns me is that I don't think Sherwood has grasped exactly what money constraints the will have to work under at West Brom. Not just for his back up staff but for the purchase off players too.
. Good point well made ,but I would have thought transfer kitty and policy would have been discussed at the interview
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. Good point well made ,but I would have thought transfer kitty and policy would have been discussed at the interview
You would like to think so. But obviously not the kitty for backroom staff!
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And how do you know it wasn't
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And how do you know it wasn't
if it had been discussed perhaps either side would have realized it wasn't going to work before it got to this stage. It seems obvious!
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Not as obvious as is being reported why don't someone ask levvy what he's wetting about at for a change trying to get his own back I'd say
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And there you have it ..............
BBC Sport's Pat Murphy said: "I understand there's a substantial gap between West Brom's offer and what Ramsey and Ferdinand expect.
"Sherwood's perfectly happy with his terms and contract but he won't budge over what he believes is a derisory offer to Ramsey and Ferdinand."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27777861
Pat Murphy
BBC Radio 5 live
"There's a stand-off between Tim Sherwood and the West Brom chairman Jeremy Peace.
"I understand it will have to be Mr Peace who blinks first if Sherwood is to take the job. He won't come unless he brings with him Ramsey and Ferdinand, his trusted coaching staff.
"West Brom are known to be one of the lowest payers of staff salaries in the Premier League, and the chairman's being consistent here. But that stubbornness means he may miss out on his number one choice."
It's now or never JP :'(
And there you have it ladies and gents the very reason why Coaches have been told to work with Downing and Kiely because there cheap.
Im sure your all aware of the saying "you pay peanuts you get monkeys"
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Why is everything such a struggle with JP. Mel was going to take the job around Christmas and then the terms were changed and we waited for another 3 weeks before an appointment was made. We cannot afford to wait for another period like that.
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And there you have it ladies and gents the very reason why Coaches have been told to work with Downing and Kiely because there cheap.
Im sure your all aware of the saying "you pay peanuts you get monkeys"
Not in the least surprise.................it's not as if we are going after the best either is it !
Yet, even when the Club have taken a pathetic amount of time of a mediocre appointment at best, we still have to sour it with petty 'small time' issues.
After the length of time and amount of talks, you would have thought that we would have found out the costs in the first few weeks of this mob who are currently jobless!
So we miss out on Sherwood ( no big deal to me but obviously the preferred choice of the Club and Peace), then what ?
The shambles of the last season seem to be carrying on it the summer regardless of Peace's PR spin last month.
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It seems that Albion still want Downing as No.2 - WHY ?
Why are the Club obsessed with him ? He seems too close to the players clique for my liking.
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I see that Ronald Koeman has agreed terms to become Southampton manager. No job there therefore for Tim and his two sidekicks. My guess is that they'll all agree terms with us before the weekend is over.
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That's a good thing they can't use that vacancy as a stick to beat us with now.this might move a little quicker now , by the end of the weekend I think
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Sherwood has never been linked with Southampton or thought to be under consideration by the board down there. I hope the club can resolve any issues with Sherwood before the start of the week.
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Sherwood is looking a gift horse in the mouth here. He’d be damned lucky to get another Prem club after his services and as for Ferdinand and Ramsey they won’t have any sort of employment without Sherwood. I hope we move on.
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To those of you worried as to why some are worried that the appointment won't be made until next week. It's already been reported the clubs hierarchy are worried we are going to miss out on transfer targets the sooner we get the head coach in the better.
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i really cannot see that this is the basis for a successful relationship, Smacks of, I want you Tim, but i'm indifferent about your team, very reminiscent of the Pepe mel scenario.
If either side are truly committed they would compromise, If not resolved in next couple of days draw a line under it and move on.
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My thoughts are if the Sherwood issue falls through then how would you feel if you werethen approached to take over, knowing you were not the favoured coach. Second choice and only got it because of our cheaper options. I'd turn it down out of principal but I know football is not like that.
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I ask this in all seriousness. If you have paid your money to renew your season ticket and want to cancel and get your money back, can you do this up until the season starts ? I'm honestly thinking of asking for my money back as I'm beginning to worry, not panic, just worry.
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but surely the head coach is THE most important person as far as running the 1st team goes and the appointment will inevitably affect the teams performance next season (granted it's difficult to say what the effect will be for a particular choice)
I think the impact of coaches in general is overstated and if you look at coaches with any sort of track record in the game very few are always successful and it is virtually impossible to predict the outcome when a new coach is appointed. The difference between any two coaches we are ever likely to appoint is marginal at best. Equally whether coach a or b is appointed today tomorrow or next week makes less than zero difference.
If we have made an offer to Sherwood and it falls down for whatever reason it is no big deal move on to whoever the next name on the list. I cannot make a case for employing Ferdinand or Ramsey other than that Sherwood wants them and there is no argument for paying an assistant coach more than we would otherwise want to certainly it is not worth taking a single penny out of the player budget.
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If sherwood doesn't get it I'd be tempted to try to tempt Felix Magath from Fulham.
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Sherwood has never been linked with Southampton or thought to be under consideration by the board down there. I hope the club can resolve any issues with Sherwood before the start of the week.
I beg to differ. I have certainly read somewhere that he was under consideration at Southampton. In any event Sherwood is in no position to hold us to ransom. He is very much a wet behind the years Premiership manager. Having said that I have been impressed by what he's done at Spurs and hope he does come to us.
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This is all so depressing and so predictable, was so optimistic a couple of weeks ago, now all I see is a repeat of last season, I think the Sherwood appointment is perfect for us as a club, but not in entirety for our Chairman.
But then why does a mid table championship club need such a big background staff anyway.? Wim doomed!
Of course if we appoint TS in the next few hours forget the above paragraphs,
Time to step to the plate Peace, come on take a chance, JFDI
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there is no argument for paying an assistant coach more than we would otherwise want to certainly it is not worth taking a single penny out of the player budget.
It could be taken out of the share-purchasing budget! :D
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Using Pat Murphy's emotive words JP certainly will not 'blink first' - the relationship with Sherwood would be doomed from the start.
It is not going to happen. We need to move on and quickly.
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It seems that Albion still want Downing as No.2 - WHY ?
Why are the Club obsessed with him ? He seems too close to the players clique for my liking.
Kachinnngggg.
Because he will work for what JP wants to pay and wont rock the good ship Albion.
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I wish I could work for some of you, negotiating a pay deal would be a piece of urine.
Can I have a million quid a week, not start until after midday and get match days off? No problem!
A "derisory" offer to one might just be a "reasonable" offer for a club our size. No one here knows what the terms being discussed are but the usual suspects are using it as a tool to criticise Peace.
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It seems that Albion still want Downing as No.2 - WHY ?
Why are the Club obsessed with him ? He seems too close to the players clique for my liking.
Keith Downing would not be No.2 - JP approved the principle of Chris Ramsey coming as part of Team Sherwood.
JP wants Downing and Dean Kiely to stay as he wants continuity. The next man in be it Sherwood or whoever will be here say 18 months - if successful he'll be poached by someone else and if not will be on his way. What happens then to see things through and ease in the next man ?
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I wish I could work for some of you, negotiating a pay deal would be a piece of pee.
Can I have a million quid a week, not start until after midday and get match days off? No problem!
A "derisory" offer to one might just be a "reasonable" offer for a club our size. No one here knows what the terms being discussed are but the usual suspects are using it as a tool to criticise Peace.
The thing that worries me about this is not so much that there is a difference between what the club and the assistant coaches concerning salaries but someone associated with the deal has gone to the press and used the word "derisory" while negotiations are still in progress. If you want to get a deal do not insult the other party in public because nothing hardens a position than the use of emotive language. Personally I would take the deal off the table and wish all concerned good luck finding a Championship club to meet their demands.
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Wouldn't it be lovely if West Brom get a head coach today and England win tonight....
About the post above - just take the extreme words with a "pinch of salt." He's a journalist he has to make things sound more juicy. It's likely that he thinks they're worth more than what we offered, and Pat Murphy has interpreted that as derisory. It's obvious that something went out to journalists about negotiations being ongoing due to an agreement needing to be reached between us and the assistants, you can see from the reports that all journalists are using different adjectives. He used derisory.
Have you ever listened to Pat Murphy? He's annoying as hell!
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I have no issue with the club wanting to appoint Sherwood on there own terms. He might be first choice, but he has done nothing that means he can hold us to random. This a bigger opportunity for him than it is for us, he'd be a fool to throw a genuine chance at a Premier League club, I can't see another club going for him at this stage of his career, he should be snapping our hands off.
I was hoping we would turn to someone else anyway, because I think he'd be a massive risk and far from the ideal fit most believe him to be. But after all this messing around I think it's even less likely to work.
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Wouldn't it be lovely if West Brom get a head coach today and England win tonight....
About the post above - just take the extreme words with a "pinch of salt." He's a journalist he has to make things sound more juicy. It's likely that he thinks they're worth more than what we offered, and Pat Murphy has interpreted that as derisory. It's obvious that something went out to journalists about negotiations being ongoing due to an agreement needing to be reached between us and the assistants, you can see from the reports that all journalists are using different adjectives. He used derisory.
Have you ever listened to Pat Murphy? He's annoying as hell!
Very much what I thought when I heard it...
Not going to garner as much interest if he writes an article that says 'Sherwood is happy with his deal, and we just need to iron out a few of the financial details with the 2 guys he is bringing with him'
Got to glam it up, so that people will talk :)
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Normally there is a tipping point in failing negotiations where one of the parties will say "no, that's it, I'm off" and walk away.
You sense that's a point JP doesn't shirk from ordinarily and I wonder if the fact that he apparently reached that point with Pepe and then reversed his decision with consequences we all know might make him play even harder ball this time around.
However I also wonder whether the stories in the press via Pat Murphy are based on a leak or his conjecture, and if it is via a leak from one of the parties to the negotiations and is an attempt to rattle someone's cage.
Whatever the case, the appointment will happen when it does and it's not going to hurry along because I want it to.
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I have no issue with the club wanting to appoint Sherwood on there own terms. He might be first choice, but he has done nothing that means he can hold us to random. This a bigger opportunity for him than it is for us, he'd be a fool to throw a genuine chance at a Premier League club, I can't see another club going for him at this stage of his career, he should be snapping our hands off.
I was hoping we would turn to someone else anyway, because I think he'd be a massive risk and far from the ideal fit most believe him to be. But after all this messing around I think it's even less likely to work.
Completely agree.
Another novice, only this time someone who thinks he is better than he is.
Got sacked after only a handful of games in charge, wow really inspiring.
Sounds like some fans are really clinging on to some false hope.
Sherwood is NOT our man, just as Mel before him was a chance and Clarke before him, seems our heirachy have learned nothing from our last two mistakes.
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Dick Advocaat,,, come on down !
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Completely agree.
Another novice, only this time someone who thinks he is better than he is.
Got sacked after only a handful of games in charge, wow really inspiring.
Sounds like some fans are really clinging on to some false hope.
Sherwood is NOT our man, just as Mel before him was a chance and Clarke before him, seems our heirachy have learned nothing from our last two mistakes.
I totally agree. Sherwood is not the right man IMO. Why can the likes of Swansea get Laudrup and Southampton in for Koeman? Are they really much bigger than us?
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I can understand an incoming manager wanting to bring in an assistant, but when it has been made clear that Downing and Keilly will be staying a third party should never have been in the frame. We can argue until we are blue in the face but the untouchables are going nowhere. I think that basically all JP has done is say if you bring two assistants they must share one salary. Accept it now Tim or walk away !
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I can understand an incoming manager wanting to bring in an assistant, but when it has been made clear that Downing and Keilly will be staying a third party should never have been in the frame. We can argue until we are blue in the face but the untouchables are going nowhere. I think that basically all JP has done is say if you bring two assistants they must share one salary. Accept it now Tim or walk away !
Again agree, seems some fans have been worn down by our chairman in accepting third rate coach's. Just what on earth has Cockney Jim Driftwood done that inspires some of our fans, he lost the respect of most of the Spurs dressing room ffs in record time.
Come on Baggies fans, don't settle for novices, we need someone decent at long last just like our chairman said he would, not someone who has coached for a handful of games, then wants to bring his cockney mafia with him, doomed from the start.
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Pat Murphy is a big wolves supporter .
I know he is a well respected bbc sports reporter but unless he knows for a fact that our wage offer was derisory , I dont think he should be making claims on national radio.
We might be a bit apart in wage negotiations or maybe something else , but derisory is a big statement from mr murphy.
I am not impressed with Sherwood anyway , think we should be aiming for more experience.
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Pat Murphy is a big wolves supporter .
I know he is a well respected bbc sports reporter but unless he knows for a fact that our wage offer was derisory , I dont think he should be making claims on national radio.
We might be a bit apart in wage negotiations or maybe something else , but derisory is a big statement from mr murphy.
I am not impressed with Sherwood anyway , think we should be aiming for more experience.
At last a large number of fans now voicing their opinion, we DON'T want Sherwood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Okay I concede that the word "derisory" might not be a direct quote and is likely to be a bit of poetic license from journalist with a story to enhance but the principle is the same. There is no point in being held to ransom by any coach we are ever likely to appoint, move on. I would quite happily pay more to the next guy just to make the point but then again I'm just a sick puppy ;)
I totally agree. Sherwood is not the right man IMO. Why can the likes of Swansea get Laudrup and Southampton in for Koeman? Are they really much bigger than us?
Interestingly Gary Monk is Swansea's manager which might tell you something about Laudrup and Koeman's CV is not without blemish either nor has he managed in England yet. Big names but a lot of their reputation stems from the fact that they were world class players rather than anything they have done as coaches.
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Tight lid on info at The Hawthorns. I know we complain about not getting crumbs of comfort from JP but maybe he is a good poker player.
Wouldn't surprise me if the appointment he announces is 'none of the above'. And maybe, just maybe, after his big speech it will be a very pleasant surprise.
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Tight lid on info at The Hawthorns. I know we complain about not getting crumbs of comfort from JP but maybe he is a good poker player.
Wouldn't surprise me if the appointment he announces is 'none of the above'. And maybe, just maybe, after his big speech it will be a very pleasant surprise.
Fingers crossed!
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Tight lid on info at The Hawthorns. I know we complain about not getting crumbs of comfort from JP but maybe he is a good poker player.
Wouldn't surprise me if the appointment he announces is 'none of the above'. And maybe, just maybe, after his big speech it will be a very pleasant surprise.
Unfortunately, I don't think there is 'a very pleasant surprise ' in this debacle!?
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Unfortunately, I don't think there is 'a very pleasant surprise ' in this debacle!?
Cannot remember the last time pleasant surprise and Albion were used together.....
Remember being pleasantly surprised when we signed andy Johnson out of the blue once and when Jason Roberts resigned a new contract....
Cannot think of any more? 3-0 and 5-1 vs wo1ve5?
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The other poll has the majority voting for Moyes, what would your vote be now?
It seems common agreement that above candidates are ones left....
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i thought i started the main head coach topic???
I certainly edited the poll after the topic had been started!
Anyway i would have amended the poll to show those three if i could (but not A.N Other). I think a poll to see who everyone would chose from the final 3 (4 inc Downing) would be interesting.
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Sherwood for me without a doubt
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Sorry where's Zola come from?
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Sherwood for me.
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Tight lid on info at The Hawthorns. I know we complain about not getting crumbs of comfort from JP but maybe he is a good poker player.
Wouldn't surprise me if the appointment he announces is 'none of the above'. And maybe, just maybe, after his big speech it will be a very pleasant surprise.
Yeah probably Owen Coyle or Terrry Butcher :o
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Jol for me
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I picked Sherwood because I've been talking myself into for what seems like all summer! I also picked Sherwood because Jol isn't in that list.
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Firstly if we are voting from the 'final 3' how can there be another?
Secondly I have gone for Dyche. Can't understand how so many people prefer Sherwood over Dyche but then it's all about opinions isn't it.
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Folks, we only need one topic about the Head Coach so its all being merged into one, unfortunately we can't have two polls so at present there is none sorry but we've already got a topic heading for 100 pages so another is not needed.
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With the Terry Burton connection, I'm surprised this man hasn't emerged as a contender.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/10254718/Tony-Adams-I-would-manage-Arsenal-but-only-if-I-could-build-a-new-team.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/10254718/Tony-Adams-I-would-manage-Arsenal-but-only-if-I-could-build-a-new-team.html)
Apparently, he's desperate to get back into coaching in the EPL, & would give us a good 2 to 3 years before he moved on to Arsenal, he also wouldn't have any baggage, & I suspect he could be prepared to work with our existing coaches.
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Some of the names being mentioned really are underwhelming including that of Sherwood. We need experience this time around. Granted Moyes may be out of reach but surely someone like Jol isn't. I'm sure we could prise McLaren away from Derby if we really wanted to.
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In the words of delia Come on Sherwood lets be having you. FFS sort it out Allbion even if it means paying Downing off
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Folks, we only need one topic about the Head Coach so its all being merged into one, unfortunately we can't have two polls so at present there is none sorry but we've already got a topic heading for 100 pages so another is not needed.
parameters have changed. We've gone from 20 to 2/3 candidates.
sorry oldbury, greatest respect but not agree
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Is it possible to re introduce the few that remain in the runnings poll please
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Is it possible to re introduce the few in the runnings poll please
Apart from TS is there any other names, someone mentioned Zola, where is that from?
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parameters have changed. We've gone from 20 to 2/3 candidates.
sorry oldbury, greatest respect but not agree
No problem, don't expect everyone to agree but we don't need multiple topics on the same subjects. Maybe quick pm to ask us to edit the poll that was running and we could sort something that way but we don't need two.
If someone wants one created with confirmed names then we can have that one on.
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Is that final 3 nailed on then. Because most of what the local journos have written so far has been wide of the mark and guesswork.
Then theres the report we have a contingency option. This could be someone who is totally cr@p but agrees to work within the parameters of Peaces plan.
Its also possible that someone who was in the final 3 wednesday has changed their mind now they know timbo is the favourite.
My head hurts.
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Pat Murphy is a big wolves supporter .
I know he is a well respected bbc sports reporter but unless he knows for a fact that our wage offer was derisory , I dont think he should be making claims on national radio.
We might be a bit apart in wage negotiations or maybe something else , but derisory is a big statement from mr murphy.
I am not impressed with Sherwood anyway , think we should be aiming for more experience.
He's a big Albion fan - not wolves.
Whether our offer was derisory or not is something I can't comment on but as mentioned previously, I would imagine there is a touch of emotive language to get people talking and over-reacting to such news.
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He's a big Albion fan - not wolves.
Whether our offer was derisory or not is something I can't comment on but as mentioned previously, I would imagine there is a touch of emotive language to get people talking and over-reacting to such news.
Thats news to me
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No problem, don't expect everyone to agree but we don't need multiple topics on the same subjects. Maybe quick pm to ask us to edit the poll that was running and we could sort something that way but we don't need two.
If someone wants one created with confirmed names then we can have that one on.
I think we should have a smaller poll, with no A.N Other name. If we have that then the 90% who voted for other names could just vote for that.
Will be interesting to see who everyone favours with smaller number of options that include originally unfavoured choices. But Dyche and Zola are not confirmed candidates are they?
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Albion have every right to hold to their guns regarding Ferdinand and Ramsey.
We are a club of tight resources who have to spend our money wisely - we cannot afford to start paying excessive salaries to individuals whose coaching abilities I have concerns over - are both Ferdinand and Ramsey qualified coaches? It seems to me as though Sherwood is angling for a job for his mates. At the end of the day, Sherwood isn't going to get another Premier League job any time soon so he might be looking a gift horse in the mouth here.
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I agree a smaller poll with just Sherwood s name on it. Nobody has a clue who no 2 is do they
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I think we should have a smaller poll, with no A.N Other name. If we have that then the 90% who voted for other names could just vote for that.
Will be interesting to see who everyone favours with smaller number of options that include originally unfavoured choices. But Dyche and Zola are not confirmed candidates are they?
The only candidate I know that is in for the job is Tim Sherwood - I haven't heard any other name coming from the local media - there is apparently another candidate but nobody knows who he is.
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Its the French Geeza i reckon
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In the words of delia Come on Sherwood lets be having you. FFS sort it out Allbion even if it means paying Downing off
Clearly the snag isn't that the new Head Coach has to work with Keith Downing. It seems that JP was OK with Chris Ramsey coming in and by no stretch of the imagination would there be joint first team coaches
Keith Downing will not be the new Head Coach and he will not be paid off. There is no need, apart from JP's understandable desire for continuity and 'cover', he is surely going into the position David Oldfield has just vacated.
Everyone needs to get over their Keith Downing complex and focus on the possibilities now that the Sherwood episode seems to be over.
Jol or Advocaat will do for me.
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In the words of delia Come on Sherwood lets be having you. FFS sort it out Allbion even if it means paying Downing off
Albion aren't going to be held to ransom and nor they shouldn't over two individuals whose coaching careers are more or less none existent.
If Tim Sherwood is going to be appointed alongside Les Ferdinand then I actually pray and hope to the lord that we keep Keith Downing. He might have helped save us last year and I reckon he might need to do it again if we apppoint Sherwood.
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No white smoke yet then
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This from the Mail online this morning:
West Bromwich Albion will remain in talks with Tim Sherwood over the weekend with the hope of naming the former Spurs boss as their new Head Coach on Monday at the latest.
The Hawthorns hierarchy had been confident of appointing their new Head Coach before the weekend.
Sherwood appears happy with his lot and by all accounts is relishing the task of rebuilding the club.
But talks with the 45-year-old dragged on over terms offered to his backroom staff.
Sherwood wants Les Ferdinand and Chris Ramsey by his side and the financial packages offered to one, or indeed both, have been dismissed.
Albion are saying nothing of this hitch and are adamant that Sherwood is not their only candidate and that the quest to replace Pepe Mel has become a two-horse race with an unknown candidate.
That has certainly spooked the bookies who rather bemusingly yesterday installed sacked coach Steve Clarke as the second favourite, still some way behind Sherwood it has to be said.
It would appear plenty of negotiation still needs to take place with Jeremy Peace keen to protect the existing coaching staff of Keith Downing and Dean Kiely.
He will not want to pay a new team of coaches significantly more than those in situ for many years.
The last comment is a thought I'd had myself. Maybe the most diplomatic way around this is, as others have said, to get the new blokes in on the same wage, but to give them chance to live up to their sense of their own worth by offering win bonuses.
How much would it be worth if they could win us the Carling Cup within three years?
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At last a large number of fans now voicing their opinion, we DON'T want Sherwood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ideally we'd have Ancelotti, but the point is we get the best from who is available at the right terms for us....which could be Sherwood. If you don't want him who do you want ??
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Why don't we just pay them all more. The backroom staff that is.Pay Downing the same as Sherwoods two men. Surely Kiely is just the goalkeeping coach and could have separate terms How much are we talking? An extra £1million? If it is around that much its neither here nor there in a turn over of £70m plus.
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Why don't we just pay them all more. The backroom staff that is.Pay Downing the same as Sherwoods two men. Surely Kiely is just the goalkeeping coach and could have separate terms How much are we talking? An extra £1million? If it is around that much its neither here nor there in a turn over of £70m plus.
Urm yeah, that's the attitude that probably gets teams in trouble. £1 mill is a lot!
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Why don't we just pay them all more. The backroom staff that is.Pay Downing the same as Sherwoods two men. Surely Kiely is just the goalkeeping coach and could have separate terms How much are we talking? An extra £1million? If it is around that much its neither here nor there in a turn over of £70m plus.
Ok then but where does it stop? Do we put the tea lady on the same wage?
No chance should we bow down to some very inexperienced coaches apparent ludicrous wage demands
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I do get the feeling we have been here before, top manager in discussions for days, neither side will back down.
Next day someones number 2 is appointed.
Get ready for Chris Hughton everybody.
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Ok then but where does it stop? Do we put the tea last on the same wage?
No chance should we bow down to some very inexperienced coaches apparent ludicrous wage demands
It's football they should be used to ludicrous wage demands. We'll pay it eventually.
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It's football they should be used to ludicrous wage demands. We'll pay it eventually.
I think that's where we set ourselves aside from other clubs. We seem to have some form of morals when it comes to the money side of it (granted we don't have countless millions available to spend anyway)
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Why don't we just pay them all more. The backroom staff that is.Pay Downing the same as Sherwoods two men. Surely Kiely is just the goalkeeping coach and could have separate terms How much are we talking? An extra £1million? If it is around that much its neither here nor there in a turn over of £70m plus.
Were you ever the financial advisor to Portsmouth FC?
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Don't keep winding me up with the name of Chris hughton
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I think ultimately it boils down to this for every pound we spend on Assistant(s) is a pound less we spend on players. I don't think I can see a coherent argument for that trade off. Chris Ramsey is a well respected coach who has a track record stretching back decades working with the FA and I would venture he might be the coaching brains behind the outfit. I am not sure what Ferdinand brings to the party as I am not entirely sure as to his level of qualification, he was a great striker but being a great player and coaching are two very different things.
Without knowing who the alternative is it might be difficult to judge if this is a good or a bad thing but I for one would not think it is the end of the world if we can n't get Sherwood
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Imagine that you are the "other one". You see all the publicity which says that TS and co are first choice and you are second choice but if you hang about you might just get the job if they don't want it. What do you do? I guess some people would tell 'em to stuff it. Then again if you were in a post already you might have nothing to lose except pride by just waiting and seeing.
But then of course if actually you were secretly the number one candidate and the club was awaiting your decision or for something to happen that would clear the decks and make it possible for you to say yes..maybe you and the club would be quite content to let everybody prattle on about derisory offers to Ts's buddies for a while.
So,just a thought to pass the time away ..is TS really number 1 or just a decoy to keep the press, the bookies and the punters amused while the other bloke gets sorted?!
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I think ultimately it boils down to this for every pound we spend on Assistant(s) is a pound less we spend on players. I don't think I can see a coherent argument for that trade off. Chris Ramsey is a well respected coach who has a track record stretching back decades working with the FA and I would venture he might be the coaching brains behind the outfit. I am not sure what Ferdinand brings to the party as I am not entirely sure as to his level of qualification, he was a great striker but being a great player and coaching are two very different things.
Without knowing who the alternative is it might be difficult to judge if this is a good or a bad thing but I for one would not think it is the end of the world if we can n't get Sherwood
He probably believes that he deserves a premium salary for being a Member of the British Empire ::)
Plus running a helicopter to get from A to B does not come cheap these days... ???
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JP made a statement a few weeks ago about making mistakes and that they have learnt from them.
He didn't specifically say what those mistakes were but most people presumed it was the Anelka stuff etc etc.
He also said they would correct those mistakes.
So what if one of those mistakes was getting rid of Clarke?
Clarke also said that he has unfinished business here.
I think it's unlikely but it's worth mentioning :)
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Don't keep winding me up with the name of Chris hughton
Understand people's trepidation about CH, but if you take last season at Norwich out of the equation, he did a good job under hard circumstances at Blues, and was rock solid (and a title winning manager) with Newcastle and by common consent harshly sacked there.
I'm 50-50 on him for those reasons, but yeah I'll admit that the inability to do anything positive with all those new Norwich signings last season is a blot on his copybook.
Still wouldn't be the end of the world with him though IF we bought properly to replenish the squad and he really, really proved that he'd learned from the Norwich era.
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And re appointing Clarke would be an even bigger mistake than appointing him in the first place. Just to reiterate no Clarke. No hughton and no downing. Oh and no Malky
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And re appointing Clarke would be an even bigger mistake than appointing him in the first place. Just to reiterate no Clarke. No hughton and no downing. Oh and no Malky
What about Zola?
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Just a general question but would people prefer Sherwood or Mackay?
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I wouldn't say no to a Clarkey return. He did a good job here, we can only dream of finishing 8th again. My first choice would be someone with the same philosophy as Mel but we know that isn't going to happen.
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Just a general question but would people prefer Sherwood or Mackay?
. Are you trying to tell us something. Sherwood hands down
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Urm yeah, that's the attitude that probably gets teams in trouble. £1 mill is a lot!
Well if you think a million is a lot in premiership football then your living in cloud cuckoo land. Remember £1m shared between Les Ferdinand and Chris Ramsey and Downing means that they would all be being paid approximately a £million pounds less than Mr P pays himself. I think they are just as important to results on the pitch as Mr P is. £350000 each isn't is that much for a club in the premiership. There is being careful with the clubs money and unrealistic of being able to achieve staying in the Prem. Perhaps Mr P is correct to spend as he does to be a mid tabled Championship club and just keeps his fingers crossed behind his back every time we scrape premiership survival.
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What about Zola?
. I would prefer him over the names mentioned
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Just a general question but would people prefer Sherwood or Mackay?
I'd say Sherwood is a much better option than Mackay because he has actually managed a big club like Spurs with big egos and got some very decent results. Mackay is unproven in the Premier League and plays negative football and I think the football under Sherwood would be a bit more attacking.
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. Are you trying to tell us something. Sherwood hands down
Not at all but something has been sticking in my mind, I was told a couple of weeks ago that one of the managers ruled out by the media was still involved in the process and might be turned to if we didn't get the number one choice. Peace rates Mackay very highly indeed, I was lucky enough to be in the directors box when JP was talking to him and I have never seen JP kiss ass so much.
He wouldn't be my choice but it would not surprise me if we did turn to him at some point if others fall through.
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Never mind coaches.....pretty soon we're going to have to get some actual footballers! >:(
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Not at all but something has been sticking in my mind, I was told a couple of weeks ago that one of the managers ruled out by the media was still involved in the process and might be turned to if we didn't get the number one choice. Peace rates Mackay very highly indeed, I was lucky enough to be in the directors box when JP was talking to him and I have never seen JP kiss ass so much.
He wouldn't be my choice but it would not surprise me if we did turn to him at some point if others fall through.
Any idea if the end game is in sight with all this?
Mackay for me. Top up and coming manager treated terribly at Cardiff.
Not sure what the issue with his backdoom staff is though.
Dick Advocaat would be my pick out of all the names mentioned for me.
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And re appointing Clarke would be an even bigger mistake than appointing him in the first place. Just to reiterate no Clarke. No hughton and no downing. Oh and no Malky
Well I'm afraid Devon you're narrowing down your options.
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Not at all but something has been sticking in my mind, I was told a couple of weeks ago that one of the managers ruled out by the media was still involved in the process and might be turned to if we didn't get the number one choice. Peace rates Mackay very highly indeed, I was lucky enough to be in the directors box when JP was talking to him and I have never seen JP kiss ass so much.
He wouldn't be my choice but it would not surprise me if we did turn to him at some point if others fall through.
Although yesterday you said they had no prem experience so that would rule out Mackay, unless there's more than 1 back up?!
I'd rather have Sherwood than Mackay, something exciting about it. Throw Dyche in the mix though and I'd be happy with him!
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Although yesterday you said they had no prem experience so that would rule out Mackay, unless there's more than 1 back up?!
I'd rather have Sherwood than Mackay, something exciting about it. Throw Dyche in the mix though and I'd be happy with him!
I'm pretty sure that I never said that!
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I'm pretty sure that I never said that!
I don't think you did either. :D
You've posted a comment and everybody has spun what you said. :D
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I'm pretty sure that I never said that!
You did say of the two you would prefer Sherwood because he has prem experience.
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You did say of the two you would prefer Sherwood because he has prem experience.
And a very good record was the remainder of that line...
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I'm pretty sure that I never said that!
Sorry mate i don't know why I thought that? Definitely didn't spin anything more just made a simple mistake! In that case Mackay is well in the mix!
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And a very good record was the remainder of that line...
yeah just checked again and was about to edit my post. Won't bother now as you've pointed it out. Cheers (wicket by the way- under review)
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Are we going for 200 pages then ????? :o
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yeah just checked again and was about to edit my post. Won't bother now as you've pointed it out. Cheers (wicket by the way- under review)
No worries mate. I bloody missed that as I was quoting the remainder of Baggie79's post. ;D
Cheers Mike! ;D
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Have no fear you guys who dont want Sherwood.He will still be our new head coach :D
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Twitter is rife with Dyche rumours FWIW! Coming from Burnleh fans
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Twitter is rife with Dyche rumours FWIW! Coming from Burnleh fans
another one with no experience but i would prefer him over the usual suspects
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Twitter is rife with Dyche rumours FWIW! Coming from Burnleh fans
Quite odd really nothing on any of their web sites to suggest
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Twitter is rife with Dyche rumours FWIW! Coming from Burnleh fans
Only seen 1 or 2 comments, not exactly rife!
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Only seen 1 or 2 comments, not exactly rife!
If you search Dyche and Burnley it's starting to build. Perhaps rife was the wrong word! I'm getting all "Pat Murphy" with my posts!
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Twitter is rife with Dyche rumours FWIW! Coming from Burnleh fans
Wouldn't mind Dyche given what he's done, but we've all seen good managers who had something good going at a club and who've made a 'bigger' move that turned out to be the wrong one, leading to both the club and manager's career heading south.
Owen Coyle's an example.
So if we did end up with Dyche I'd be happy, but I'd have my fingers, toes and eyes crossed that he (and we) make it.
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not a betting man but couldn't resist a fiver on Dyche at 66/1 on bet victor.
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I know we shouldn't trust the bookies odds, bla, bla, bla and all that. Just saying that Alan Irvine's odds have shortened a lot with several bookies very recently, for what it's worth.
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not a betting man but couldn't resist a fiver on Dyche at 66/1 on bet victor.
Just done the same, I think it could anybodys at the moment
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The problem here remains KD.
JP for some reason wants to protect him and keep him on, yet we are all too aware that the club needs freshening up, including the training staff.
KD won't become U21 coach, I believe we'll give it to somebody who used to be academy coach at Kiddy Harriers (Bogdan?) - though KD stepping down to develop youngsters seems like the natural step to take.
As for Alan Irvine - looks like the 'left-field' comment my contact made has some legs ...
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Irvine might have been interviewed for the under21 post.
Or perhaps as an assistant to unconfirmed head coach if downings taking the u21 gig.
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Still hopefull the whole TS is going to fall through and we might get someone half decent.
Apart from the fact I dont rate the guy at all as a manager and cant see what positive attributes he brings another big concern has always been that I just dont see him and JP working out for longer than 18 months. Now he hasn't even started yet but theres already some sort of standoff byt the looks of it with both sides digging their heels in. What happens in january or even next month when Sherwood wants to bring in a £6m CF and JP offers him £4m but no more to spend. TS isnt the sort of man to quietly accept that and move on without comment and JP isnt going to start throwing money around to appease a manager.
As I say I hope it falls through anyway but even more so after the latest developments
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Still hopefull the whole TS is going to fall through and we might get someone half decent.
Apart from the fact I dont rate the guy at all as a manager and cant see what positive attributes he brings another big concern has always been that I just dont see him and JP working out for longer than 18 months. Now he hasn't even started yet but theres already some sort of standoff byt the looks of it with both sides digging their heels in. What happens in january or even next month when Sherwood wants to bring in a £6m CF and JP offers him £4m but no more to spend. TS isnt the sort of man to quietly accept that and move on without comment and JP isnt going to start throwing money around to appease a manager.
As I say I hope it falls through anyway but even more so after the latest developments
What, based on Sherwood being happy with his deal but his mates not? How's that TS's fault?
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Whoever comes in as the new head coach will have something to prove. Put it another way, if they don't have something to prove, then would we want them anyway? We need a coach who's got a well-lit fire in his belly.
Now consider Sherwood for a minute. Whatever job he goes to next is vital for his future coaching career as, otherwise, his stock goes well down. Therefore, if you were him you'd want to surround yourself with people you know and trust. That really isn't an unreasonable thing to want to do.
Therefore, this continuity rubbish with Downing and Kiely is always going to restrict our options, because any coach who has something to prove will regard his chances of success as being reduced by not being able to choose who he works with and, consequently, is more likely to wait for another opportunity elsewhere where that restriction isn't in place. In my view, this is an important lesson which Peace doesn't seem willing to learn. In fact, following on from all that spin, I can't say I've noticed anything at all.
If Ramsey has years of experience, then he clearly does deserve to be paid more. If Downing and Kiely are on a pittance compared to other coaches in the Prem, that isn't the fault of Ferdinand and Ramsey, so it may be the case that those saying their demands are ridiculous and ludicrous could be being unfair.
I'm well tired of Downing and Kiely being an issue, one way ot another, every time we need to appoint a new head coach. All coaches have a shelf life and I think that Downing in particular has reached that at Albion. If he has any ambition (fire in his belly) he should be wanting more anyway, if he's up to it, even if means going elsewhere to get it.
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If the talk of Sherwood's staff wanting more than what our current backroom staff are on (or, it's rumoured, possibly more than the amount above the current backroom staff wages that they were offered) then I think Peace is entitled to stand his ground. The new backroom staff will come in and do the same roles as the current staff, and there is no hard evidence that they will be an improvement, so why should they get more?
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Still hopefull the whole TS is going to fall through and we might get someone half decent.
Apart from the fact I dont rate the guy at all as a manager and cant see what positive attributes he brings another big concern has always been that I just dont see him and JP working out for longer than 18 months. Now he hasn't even started yet but theres already some sort of standoff byt the looks of it with both sides digging their heels in. What happens in january or even next month when Sherwood wants to bring in a £6m CF and JP offers him £4m but no more to spend. TS isnt the sort of man to quietly accept that and move on without comment and JP isnt going to start throwing money around to appease a manager.
As I say I hope it falls through anyway but even more so after the latest developments
That's normal tenure for an Albion manager
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Now he hasn't even started yet but theres already some sort of standoff byt the looks of it with both sides digging their heels in.
This happens in pretty much every negotiation that Peace has with anyone before it eventually gets resolved (or not), doesn't it? Again, I would love to know exactly what lessons he reckons he's learned?
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What, based on Sherwood being happy with his deal but his mates not? How's that TS's fault?
Where did I say anything about it beings anyonesf fault?
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If the talk of Sherwood's staff wanting more than what our current backroom staff are on (or, it's rumoured, possibly more than the amount above the current backroom staff wages that they were offered) then I think Peace is entitled to stand his ground. The new backroom staff will come in and do the same roles as the current staff, and there is no hard evidence that they will be an improvement, so why should they get more?
You could turn this round and say more fool Downing and Kiely for being willing to be paid under the odds. You could also say that, if they were as good as some make out ("saved our season..." etc) then they should be able to walk into a better paid job somewhere else, which shows no sign of happening.
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I thought the issue is regarding the wages of the two potential coaches Sherwood would like to bring in ?
Correct me if I'm wrong on that as I've been busy elsewhere ,but if that is the case what's a wage issue for them got to do with Downing and Kiely ?
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I thought the issue is regarding the wages of the two potential coaches Sherwood would like to bring in ?
Correct me if I'm wrong on that as I've been busy elsewhere ,but if that is the case what's a wage issue for them got to do with Downing and Kiely ?
Someone on another forum has stated that Downing has refused to take David Oldfields u21 position and this is holding the deal up. Not sure how long Downing had left on his contract but supposedly earning £250,000 a year.
There wont be room for Downing, Ferdinand, Kiely and the other guy.
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So according to Jim White & Nigel Pearson on twitter - Tim Sherwood has walked away from negotiations
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Someone on another forum has stated that Downing has refused to take David Oldfields u21 position and this is holding the deal up. Not sure how long Downing had left on his contract but supposedly earning £250,000 a year.
There wont be room for Downing, Ferdinand, Kiely and the other guy.
Sorry to be a pedant but the post on the other forum stated Ferdinand and Ramsay had been offered £250,000 a year which higher than the £150,000 a year Kiely and Downing earn. Peace thought that increase was sufficient but they want closer to the £400,000 they were on at Spurs.
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Alan Irvine to be named manager according to E and S.
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F*** off! Its going to be Alan Irvine.
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Alan Irvine?
HAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHHAAH.. WOW.. Jesus.
Steve Madeley @smadeley_star · 3m
Albion will name Alan Irvine as head coach in the next 48 hours. Story to follow online shortly. #wba
Alan flipping Irvine... Alan f*cking Irvine
Holy moley... Someone wake me up please?
Ok, I guess hes ours now I will back him.. but wow. That long wait for this.
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CL is saying Irvine
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Laughable, utterly laughable.
An horrific appointment. A man who failed at Sheffield Wednesday and Preston.
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Certainly is left field
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Absolutely laughable appointment, glad I've not gone for a season ticket, absolute joke!
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Oh.my.god
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Sweet baby Jesus of Nazareth!!! Laughing and stock spring to mind.
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Jaysus, where did that one come from. All that spiel from JP just hot air.
We'll be going through all this again in January
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5 weeks for Alan Irvine. Southampton get Ronald Koeman and we get Alan Irvine. Alan f*cking Irvine.
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What a shambles. The ***** in charge are taking us for mugs.
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$#1T $#1T $#1T $#1T $#1T $#1T $#1T
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Haha no, this has to be a joke? Right? This isn't happening?
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Any get behind that appointment at all, going to lump money on us to go down, terrible! So angry.
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Joke. Simple as that. A pure joke.
Going down hill.
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Worst day as an albion supporter.
Totally utterly gutted
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Desperately underwhelmed. :(
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If that is right JP can do one as far as I'm concerned. Rubbish. Please don't anyone patronise me to say 'get behind him', I'd only get behind Irvine to push him off a cliff.
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Let's hope it's just a ploy to get Sherwood running back to negotiations.
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So 33 days of "due diligence" brings us to Alan Irvine as being the best coach available - you couldn't make it up. :'(
I wonder if some people wish they'd been a bit more vocal about keeping Pepe Mel at the club now....
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We are a laughing stock. Theres only one Alan Irvine!.... ffs sigh
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If this is true, I hope those saying "be patient...it's not a farce...due diligence" etc. about taking 5 weeks are eating their words. Alan Irvine...good grief. See you next season Dingles.
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Let's hope it's just a ploy to get Sherwood running back to negotiations.
Ha ha, yeah that'd work.
"Oh so you're dating the ugly bloke now? Best of luck."
My most angry time supporting the Baggies ever. I'm putting a shed load of money on us to go down.
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Doesn't matter who who we appoint. We still have the same back room staff. So it will still be the same as before.
But this has to be a joke. Just shows how we are run, we are a business, there to make money, we aren't and never will be run as a football club wanting to better ourselves.
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Holy sh*te it's official.
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Little old tinpot Albion strike again.
I'd hope the people who always back the club now start to see it for what it is.
The club have managed to further alienate supporters. Dragged the whole process out for a month and given it to someone who was no doubt the cheapest option.
We will be stinking the Premier League out next year.
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I never imagined that I could be this underwhelmed!
Maybe if we welcomed back Bobby Gould.
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http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-will-be-new-albion-head-coach-1643678.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-will-be-new-albion-head-coach-1643678.aspx)
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Just going to get my popcorn. Congrats to all of you loyal fans who were so keen to show your loyalty to Jeremy with your early season ticket purchases.
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Oh my god it's official. I don't believe it.
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I feel sick...
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New thread here folks to discuss the appointment:
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=13829.0