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« Reply #1025 on: September 03, 2015, 07:04:53 PM »
Not really. Bobby had similar sort of games, as does everyone else;

Charlton scored hat tricks against Luxembourg and USA (who we beat 10-0 and 80-1 and weren't anywhere near as competitive as they are now).
80-1?? Who scored the one?
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« Reply #1026 on: September 04, 2015, 04:50:08 PM »
so with us playing San Marino and most likely a goal feast Rooney is most likely to beat Bobby Charltons record, sad really

1 of Rooney's 48 goals have been in victories with a margin of 7+, compared to 13 of Charlton's 49....

Rooney has 6 in 16 international tournament games. Charlton had 5 in 15...

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« Reply #1027 on: September 04, 2015, 05:20:59 PM »
Ask yourself; Would Sir Bobby trade his bit of gold to keep that record?

You could argue Rooney has played more games for England in an advanced role.

Records like most goals and caps are not as special as what they were.

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« Reply #1028 on: September 04, 2015, 05:25:21 PM »
You can only score in the era that you play in.
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« Reply #1029 on: September 05, 2015, 12:24:47 AM »
Doesn't matter how many he gets, he'll never touch Greaves or Lineker or even Owen at the top of his game.
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« Reply #1030 on: September 05, 2015, 12:28:40 AM »
Greavsie...One of the better "goal hangers"

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« Reply #1031 on: September 05, 2015, 08:24:27 AM »
He'll get the record this week. It's a shame that we don't appreciate him as much as we should but the romance of football isn't what it was. I'll congratulate him for what is a great achievement.

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« Reply #1032 on: September 05, 2015, 10:39:06 AM »
He'll get the record this week. It's a shame that we don't appreciate him as much as we should but the romance of football isn't what it was. I'll congratulate him for what is a great achievement.

Its the modern thing of build them up over the top early doors only to knock them for the rest of their career.

Excellent player Rooney is
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« Reply #1033 on: September 05, 2015, 05:00:24 PM »
Its the modern thing of build them up over the top early doors only to knock them for the rest of their career.

Excellent player Rooney is

I think Rooney is massively overrated, and it's not because of this.

You look at his early career, and he had the potential to be as good as Messi or Ronaldo are. But he didn't do that. Instead, he decided (or was convinced) that working 'for the team' was the way forward, and so his own game has suffered as he has become a bit of a jack of all trades. If he had worked on his own game like Messi and Ronaldo have, instead of spending most of his early to mid-twenties carrying an overhyped United side, he could have achieved the same sort of recognition. Some people think the team comes first, but if he had fulfilled his potential, it would have been of even more benefit to both club and country.

If you watch him now, I don't think he's even as good as he was in his early career. He doesn't seem to be moving as freely or easily, and he has the first touch of a brick wall - it just bounces off. His last piece of 'magic' was now a good couple of seasons ago.

I know people still think he's fantastic, but not for me. He will probably break all kinds of records, but I think having been the first name down on the team sheet since he was a teenager (regardless of whether he should have been or not) gives him the time to do so.

He may get more goals than Charlton, but Sir Bobby has something Rooney never will; a world cup winners medal.

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« Reply #1034 on: September 05, 2015, 05:01:29 PM »
Good to see the Black Country flag and an Albion flag at the England game.

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« Reply #1035 on: September 05, 2015, 05:25:09 PM »
Rooney equals the record. Well deserved.
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« Reply #1036 on: September 05, 2015, 05:50:31 PM »
Its the modern thing of build them up over the top early doors only to knock them for the rest of their career.

Excellent player Rooney is

This is what I think also.

Rooney has always been an excellent player and he fully deserves all the plaudits when he breaks the record
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« Reply #1037 on: September 05, 2015, 05:51:38 PM »
Doesn't matter how many he gets, he'll never touch Greaves or Lineker or even Owen at the top of his game.

Agree that I don't think he is as good a striker as any of them.

However he is a better footballer than all of them
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« Reply #1038 on: September 05, 2015, 06:25:13 PM »
Agree that I don't think he is as good a striker as any of them.

However he is a better footballer than all of them

Eh?

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« Reply #1039 on: September 05, 2015, 07:21:37 PM »
100% record in qualification and off to Euro 2016, fantastic. Hodgson has done a cracking job in this qualification campaign. I really think we'll have a good tournament next year.
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« Reply #1040 on: September 05, 2015, 07:31:15 PM »
100% record in qualification and off to Euro 2016, fantastic. Hodgson has done a cracking job in this qualification campaign. I really think we'll have a good tournament next year.

It wasn't exactly a top group was it?

And we won't have a good tournament. Just the usual disappointment.
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« Reply #1041 on: September 05, 2015, 07:47:07 PM »
Rooney been spoken about as a footballing god. How many of his goals have come against smaller nations like San Marino or the Faroe Islands?

Scored against countries that didn't even exist is bobby charltons day. His record against te big boys and in the major tournaments is abhorrent. Not in the same league as sir bobby charlton in my eyes
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« Reply #1042 on: September 05, 2015, 08:09:18 PM »
Rooney been spoken about as a footballing god. How many of his goals have come against smaller nations like San Marino or the Faroe Islands?

Scored against countries that didn't even exist is bobby charltons day. His record against te big boys and in the major tournaments is abhorrent. Not in the same league as sir bobby charlton in my eyes
Spot on.How many goals would Bobby Charlton scored against the Minnow teams

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« Reply #1043 on: September 05, 2015, 08:43:01 PM »
Eh?

Whats the Eh? for??

surely its not hard to understand what I am saying?

Owen, Lineker and Greaves we all better out and out strikers than Rooney but he is by far the better all round footballer than all of them
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« Reply #1044 on: September 05, 2015, 08:58:49 PM »
Not seen anyone say Rooney is a footballing god, please point this out.
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« Reply #1045 on: September 05, 2015, 10:18:35 PM »
Couple of points

Rooney is the closest we currently have to world class, you may not like him but he can play football
Roy deserves a fair crack , he should get the semis of the next tournament
Replacement , difficult?, pullis, monk,bergkamp,could go safe or could go leftfield, I'd like Wenger
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« Reply #1046 on: September 05, 2015, 10:22:34 PM »
Spot on.How many goals would Bobby Charlton scored against the Minnow teams

Except loads of Bobby Charlton's goals were in thrashings. 13 of his 49 in 7+ goal wins. Compared to 1 for Rooney. The difference is teams like Mexico don't get thrashed 9-0 now. Works both ways. Charlton might not have played against the same sides but he also played a lot of games against teams who are now good who were absolutely hopeless back in the 60's.

If you want to talk about goals at tournaments, then of everyone to have scored 40 goals for England, Rooney (6 in 17) still has the second best ratio behind Lineker (10 in 18), with Charlton (5 in 15), Owen (6 in 19), and Greaves (1 in 7).

Couple of points

Rooney is the closest we currently have to world class, you may not like him but he can play football
Roy deserves a fair crack , he should get the semis of the next tournament
Replacement , difficult?, pullis, monk,bergkamp,could go safe or could go leftfield, I'd like Wenger

If England are insistent on having an English manager they'd be better off keeping Hodgson than the English replacements. I presume Pardew would be pushed as frontrunner which just about says it all. Maybe Monk or Howe will reach the level wanted eventually but both need to prove themselves a fair but more just yet. How many young managers like those two do you see go the way of Owen Coyle?
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« Reply #1047 on: September 06, 2015, 07:51:43 AM »
Makes me laugh when people talk about goals in major tournaments. What about major goals in major tournaments. Notably a certain brace someone scored in a certain semi final some time ago.

Rooney hasn't scored a single goal in a major championship in the knockout stages.

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« Reply #1048 on: September 06, 2015, 07:54:30 AM »
Makes me laugh when people talk about goals in major tournaments. What about major goals in major tournaments. Notably a certain brace someone scored in a certain semi final some time ago.

Rooney hasn't scored a single goal in a major championship in the knockout stages.


Which sort of leads me onto - Rooney never scores when it really matters, the biggest stages at the most important times. That's what sorts out the greats from the goods. They deliver when it REALLY matters.

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« Reply #1049 on: September 06, 2015, 11:16:10 AM »
Interesting article from Four Four Two linked below which compares Rooney and Charlton.
For those interested in statistics it is well worth a few minutes of your time.
Interestingly although Charlton has a much more impressive World Cup record, 32 of his goals came from 71 friendlies compared to Rooney’s 14 from 41.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/wayne-rooney-vs-bobby-charlton-whos-got-best-england-scoring-record
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