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Re: Anything England Football
« Reply #875 on: March 30, 2015, 10:01:02 AM »
I expect the usual outcome against Italy. We get beat
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« Reply #876 on: March 30, 2015, 10:12:06 AM »
this England team can give anyone a game

If we beat Italy convincingly, I might be inclined to accept that, but seriously, my opinion is that our defence is abject, and will be exposed by a top team !
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« Reply #877 on: March 30, 2015, 10:26:34 AM »
this England team can give anyone a game

If we beat Italy convincingly, I might be inclined to accept that, but seriously, my opinion is that our defence is abject, and will be exposed by a top team !

I have been saying the same for a while, we are centre back short. I rate Cahill he tends to be solid, I like the look of Clyne being the RB, Baines at times can be caught out.

Still think this England team would be a lot better had Terry still been in and around the squad.
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« Reply #878 on: March 30, 2015, 12:15:47 PM »
Cahill hasn't been himself this season, according to a lot of Chelsea fans. But then I don't think we have too many players who legitimately deserve a go there.

I'd like to see more of Stones and Chambers but it appears the latter is playing in the U21s. Not sure about Stones.
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« Reply #879 on: March 30, 2015, 12:17:42 PM »
its a terrible indictment of the current squad that players like Jagielka and Smalling are on the periphery.
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« Reply #880 on: March 30, 2015, 12:21:51 PM »
its a terrible indictment of the current squad that players like Jagielka and Smalling are on the periphery.

Are you saying they should or shouldn't be involved?

I really don't rate Smalling at this point in time. He's got years ahead of him, but personally I'm not a fan.

Jagielka is fine, but that's all he is. Fine. Nothing special.
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« Reply #881 on: March 30, 2015, 12:25:13 PM »
Not saying they should or shouldn't,

in response to someone saying we could give anyone a game, I'm just saying that IMO we need better defenders before we could give the top countries a true test
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« Reply #882 on: March 30, 2015, 12:46:52 PM »
Not saying they should or shouldn't,

in response to someone saying we could give anyone a game, I'm just saying that IMO we need better defenders before we could give the top countries a true test

I agree mate, the best way to look at it is..

If we truely believe we can go all the way in a tournament, you have to beat the best teams. When you look at the line up Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Holland etc how many of our back 4 would demand a start in their first 11?
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« Reply #883 on: March 30, 2015, 12:57:38 PM »
I agree mate, the best way to look at it is..

If we truely believe we can go all the way in a tournament, you have to beat the best teams. When you look at the line up Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Holland etc how many of our back 4 would demand a start in their first 11?

Holland are a really good example of why England should do a lot better really, their team at the world cup was nothing special but a well organised team, playing to a suitable system with a good manager is extremely difficult to beat and they were penalties from a world cup final playing the likes of Ron Vlaar! Their only genuine world class player was Robben. The defence in particularly severely lacked quality.

Of course they also show how the opposite of those things can lead to a struggle because they're struggling to get to Euro 2016 even with the expanded 24 teams that make failure almost impossible.

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« Reply #884 on: March 30, 2015, 01:01:44 PM »
Holland are a really good example of why England should do a lot better really, their team at the world cup was nothing special but a well organised team, playing to a suitable system with a good manager is extremely difficult to beat and they were penalties from a world cup final playing the likes of Ron Vlaar! Their only genuine world class player was Robben. The defence in particularly severely lacked quality.

Of course they also show how the opposite of those things can lead to a struggle because they're struggling to get to Euro 2016 even with the expanded 24 teams that make failure almost impossible.

Think you're being harsh on the Netherlands! Sneijder, Van Persie, Blind...all 'world class' players.
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« Reply #885 on: March 30, 2015, 01:11:53 PM »
Think you're being harsh on the Netherlands! Sneijder, Van Persie, Blind...all 'world class' players.

Sneijder hasn't been world class in a long time, there's a reason he was sold for 7.5m Euro's a couple of years back. Van Persie's in decline, he certainly has world class moments but Man U fans weren't too happy with him a lot of the time last season. Blind is only world class if you have an extremely low bar for such a level.

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« Reply #886 on: March 30, 2015, 02:02:00 PM »
Sneijder hasn't been world class in a long time, there's a reason he was sold for 7.5m Euro's a couple of years back. Van Persie's in decline, he certainly has world class moments but Man U fans weren't too happy with him a lot of the time last season. Blind is only world class if you have an extremely low bar for such a level.

I would agree with your summary of those players to be honest.

I wouldnt call Blind world class, hes a good player but not world class. He was brought in at United to be that anchor man in the middle, and hes been replaced by Carrick, and moved to left wing back.

The same would be said of the England team, Rooney and possibly Hart excluded, we dont really have many 'world class' players. We have good players but not world class.
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« Reply #887 on: March 30, 2015, 06:04:24 PM »
Seven straight wins for the England team, shows how well Hodgson is doing.
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« Reply #888 on: March 30, 2015, 10:09:42 PM »
Great win for the England U21 team as they beat Germany 3-2. Things are looking good for the future of the national team. I really think England can win some major trophies in the next few years.
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Re: Anything England Football
« Reply #889 on: March 30, 2015, 10:15:05 PM »
i wouldn't call Rooney or Hart world class.

Barcelona have 3 forwards I would rate higher than Rooney for starters
Hart is too erratic to be world class, he was ousted by the guy who is sunderlands keeper not so long ago.
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« Reply #890 on: March 31, 2015, 08:39:04 AM »
Seven straight wins for the England team, shows how well Hodgson is doing.

Yeah, against Norway, Switzerland, San Marino, Estonia, Slovenia, Scotland and Lithuania. Teams we should expect to beat.

We face anybody of quality and we lose: Uruguay, Italy, Germany and Chile over the past couple of years.
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« Reply #891 on: March 31, 2015, 09:10:41 AM »
Great win for the England U21 team as they beat Germany 3-2. Things are looking good for the future of the national team. I really think England can win some major trophies in the next few years.

Not so sure about the winning the trophy bit, but last night was a good win, over a Germany team which had some big name players in it ( Can, Ter Stegen etc)

I like the look of the Under 21 team, it has some players with good technical ability, i.e Ward Prowse, Hughes.

As a country we just need to make sure the progression of the Under 21 lads continues an they get game time in the Premier league consistantly.
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Re: Anything England Football
« Reply #892 on: March 31, 2015, 12:46:07 PM »
i wouldn't call Rooney or Hart world class.

Barcelona have 3 forwards I would rate higher than Rooney for starters
Hart is too erratic to be world class, he was ousted by the guy who is sunderlands keeper not so long ago.

Are you telling me that no great keeper goes through a sticky patch of form? Even Courtois with Chelsea looked shaky for a stage. Van der sar at United struggled midway through his spell there. Khan, who is an absolute legend for Munich and the German nation team, has gone through a similar stage in his career.

Pantilimon is an average goalkeeper at Premier league level but however good Hart's understudy was (he could have been Brad Jones level), he was always going to come into the team at that time.

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« Reply #893 on: March 31, 2015, 08:20:51 PM »
Same old England put an half decent team in front of them and we look very ordinary indeed

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« Reply #894 on: March 31, 2015, 08:36:35 PM »
Both fullbacks poor , how many times has cline given the ball away, smalling should never in a million years be anywhere near that squad, Jones same could be said. Only Jagelka and Kane take any credit so far. Utter rubbish

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« Reply #895 on: March 31, 2015, 08:39:34 PM »
Hodgson's tactics to blame as much as anything. The team has clearly been told to go direct, get Walcott running behind them. Awful tactics.

I like him and he can be an effective manager but with some people who can actually be comfortable on the ball coming through, it'll be a farce if he's given an extension on his contract. Even moreso if its before the Euro's. 3 tournaments is enough for any manager I think.

I'm all for friendly experimentation but its kind of obvious things like Jones in midfield won't work. People like  Delph are not good enough on the ball to be playing international football either, after the Euro's, the likes of Will Hughes or Ward-Prowse should be in there instead.

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« Reply #896 on: March 31, 2015, 08:47:58 PM »
Probably a good job Italy are not fielding a full strength side. Jones and Delph in midfield :o oh dear me.

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« Reply #897 on: March 31, 2015, 09:23:42 PM »
1-1, great goal by Andros Townsend. Get in.   8)
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« Reply #898 on: March 31, 2015, 09:31:01 PM »
not a bad game to be fair, had our chances to win it
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« Reply #899 on: March 31, 2015, 09:52:38 PM »
England had enough good chances to win the game. Looking good going forward.