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« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2025, 05:30:24 PM »
I never really feel the need to comment on here but after today's debacle I can't but help saying something  I have been watching the baggies since the early 70s through good times and bad but since the appointment of Mowbray we have become totally clueless and spineless, his team selection and substitutions are mind boggling. Great servant in the past but now needs to retire and we need to bring in someone who can inspire the players and more importantly has the courage to drop (permanently) players who are well past their sell by date!!

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« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2025, 05:30:29 PM »
Absolutely atrocious.

The introduction of Swift and Grady is unforgivable.


As bad as we were first half (and we were bad) the introduction of those two at half time just made the heart sink. Any chance of getting anything out of this game went there and then. There was no point of watching anymore. If everyone else (practically) can see this there is absolutely no excuse for Mowbray.

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« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2025, 05:40:30 PM »
Abject, couldn’t care less performance from the majority
We lack bottle, we lack leadership - we have done for a number of seasons now
Too many are happy to do the bear minimum, make the easy pass and pass the responsibility onto someone else
Mowbray, the easy, cheap appointment has been a disaster. He looks forlorn and lost on the touchline - his selections and substitutions are baffling and lack any sort of logic - hopefully makes a few of you realise what an outstanding job Carlos did in getting a song out of this group

I imagine we will lose / sell Maja, Tom and probably Heggem in the summer - won’t be much left then

Will they keep Mowbray ? Given the protracted search when Carlos left I’m not sure - who will replace him - who will want to come ?

Seem to lurch from one crisis to another - thats Albion though isn’t it !

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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2025, 05:49:04 PM »


How about Bany?
Hasn’t looked anywhere near the required level so far but obviously needs a run in a settled team

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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2025, 06:04:48 PM »
Trying to be objective, I thought Coventry played the ball around well and their passing was that bit more accurate than ours. That helped them to dominate the midfield, especially first half, which gave their forwards proper support .Some credit must be given to Lampard. I know a lot of fans think its all about effort and passion, but too many of our players can´t pass accurately, and too many cases where the passing player was on a different wavelength to the receiving player. Unfortunately that happens all the time with Grant, but he`s not the only one. Coventry also worked the offside trap better than we did.   
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« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2025, 06:07:09 PM »
Sadly, when you take the handbrake off, you often roll backwards. We've done that, and are going back rapidly. Poor selections, poor organisation, poor discipline = poor results. Today was dismal and a result of all that.
I like Mowbray as a man, and am thankful for his football first time round but Corberan showed how organisation and intensive coaching is necessary with the players we have. So many looked lost

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« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2025, 06:08:57 PM »
Absolutely atrocious.

The introduction of Swift and Grady is unforgivable.

We beat ourselves is the worst thing. Cov showed that they are nothing to fear.

Coventry are not great but they’re much better than our lot.

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« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2025, 06:11:32 PM »
Coventry are not great but they’re much better than our lot.

IMO they simply wanted it more.
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« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2025, 06:26:46 PM »
Coventry are not great but they’re much better than our lot.

I disagree. We just didn't show up today apart from Heggem. Bringing on Swift and Grady then hands then the game before a ball is kicked

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« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2025, 06:40:07 PM »
The subbing was atrocious and ridiculous.

I bow my head in utter disappointment at this total collapse of a season.

I can only hope we move on from this next year when we jettison as many deadbeats as we can. Manager included.
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« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2025, 06:46:17 PM »
We lack leaders, we lack players that will stand up and be counted when it comes to the crunch and we have a manager that hasn't got a clue. That's a recipe for disaster.
I have no faith that Mowbray will be able to get a tune out of any new signings in the Summer. If he stays then I expect mid table at best next season.
A lot's been made of the fact that he hasn't had Maja but I don't feel confident that he would be able to get the best from him anyway.
Please Tony do the right thing and step down with some dignity while you still can.
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« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2025, 06:53:13 PM »
Mowbrays subs were baffling Swift was useless, Grady saved it from being worse.

But If any of us did that badly in our job we would be sacked why can't you sack players yes they have contracts but so do most people when they work well not a physical contract but there is an agreement. And if you don't meet the standards you get sacked. Is it because it isn't the transfer window that you can't sack them, these players get paid silly money so they will survive if they get sacked.

I never want to see Holgate, Bartley, Furlong, Wallace, Grady, Mowatt, Swift, Wallace, Cole, Frabotta or Wildsmith play for us again. The spine next season should be Griffiths, Heggem, Styles, Molumby, Price, Bany, Diakite, MJ if we can keep him, Fellows If we can keep him, Maja if we can keep him, Dike and Grant. I would be neutral if Furlong did stay but I feel there are better Right Backs out there, also what happened to Ajayi.
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« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2025, 06:59:51 PM »
When the camera cut to Swift and Diangana standing on the touchline waiting to come on for the second half I spat my drink out.

Utterly baffling.

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« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2025, 07:02:08 PM »
As bad as we were first half (and we were bad) the introduction of those two at half time just made the heart sink. Any chance of getting anything out of this game went there and then. There was no point of watching anymore. If everyone else (practically) can see this there is absolutely no excuse for Mowbray.


Yup, could literally have switched off as bringing Swift on is waving the white flag. I didn't expect him to cock it up quite so quickly though

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« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2025, 07:11:20 PM »
yet another spineless display, the lack of interest and application by the players today really is just not acceptable. A clear out is 2 seasons overdue and I don't expect it to change either, weekend spoilt again

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« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2025, 07:15:36 PM »
I disagree. We just didn't show up today apart from Heggem. Bringing on Swift and Grady then hands then the game before a ball is kicked

And that’s your opinion which of course you’re entitled to. Their midfield is way better than ours in my view and it showed. Where we do agree is on those half time substitutes. You are still in the game, still have eleven men and he brings those two on. Bizarrely, when the game is done and we are down to ten men, he brings two strikers on!

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« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2025, 07:20:04 PM »
And that’s your opinion which of course you’re entitled to. Their midfield is way better than ours in my view and it showed. Where we do agree is on those half time substitutes. You are still in the game, still have eleven men and he brings those two on. Bizarrely, when the game is done and we are down to ten men, he brings two strikers on!

I do agree that their midfield today was better than ours
 Partly due to Mowbray selection and Molumby being an idiot along with Mowbrays determination not to start Diakite (injury or not)


As you says the subs, both sets of them, were absolutely baffling and indefensible

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« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2025, 07:34:06 PM »
Over the last 6 games only Sheffield Wednesday has a poorer record than us out of the 24 teams in the championship.

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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2025, 07:37:03 PM »
Over the last 6 games only Sheffield Wednesday has a poorer record than us out of the 24 teams in the championship.

Sounds like Rohl has given up and wants out

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2025, 07:46:47 PM »
Right then

Many points….and maybe not all actually relevant to this particular match so if it needs moving then please do and I’m sorry
But

The pre match press conference was all about “Jed will make the bench”
That in itself should be a warning sign…
Then there’s the “great news” that senior Bartley has triggered an extension by finger pointing in at least 7 (now eight) consecutive matches .

There are some on here that actually stated Corberan left because of me not conforming with a live in for him and he read what I said on here..
Well Tony MOWATT CANNOT RUN ,hopefully all managers also read what I put and he gets the hint, seriously people have bemoaned Styles and Mulumby re how they lost their discipline but I’ll tell you know I’d take a red if forced to play with Mowatt and see Swift,Diangana and Jed sucking werthers and shuffling their tartan blankets on the bench ,whilst Diakite must have really done something bad ??

I really wanted Mowbray to work…I understand that when me and others Questioned his first proper selection with his 1-1-8 formation people said “haha,but we won”…but from that point on it hasn’t really got better has it .
Corberan walked,he was getting stale anyway
The club then offered to someone ,then retracted because the throw in coach (or something) couldn’t get a work permit…we then waited almost an additional month to get Tony’s health all clear (and by the way a bit like “match fit” felling better is not felling 100% and physically capable) then he’s come in made some baffling decisions and continues to go against what 95% of the fan base can see/hear …
It is absolutely woeful and I just can’t see how Tony can turn it around…Not this or not next season .
I can’t fault the owners for the Devon to bring him in,I was also in favour…but they absolutely have to show their credentials and at the very least should be having a final meeting early next week regardless of the “plan being next year” we have had 6 darts to get 101 or more and taken some of the flights of the days with the ridiculous selections and omissions .
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« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2025, 07:47:22 PM »
Mowbrays subs were baffling Swift was useless, Grady saved it from being worse.

But If any of us did that badly in our job we would be sacked why can't you sack players yes they have contracts but so do most people when they work well not a physical contract but there is an agreement. And if you don't meet the standards you get sacked. Is it because it isn't the transfer window that you can't sack them, these players get paid silly money so they will survive if they get sacked.

I never want to see Holgate, Bartley, Furlong, Wallace, Grady, Mowatt, Swift, Wallace, Cole, Frabotta or Wildsmith play for us again. The spine next season should be Griffiths, Heggem, Styles, Molumby, Price, Bany, Diakite, MJ if we can keep him, Fellows If we can keep him, Maja if we can keep him, Dike and Grant. I would be neutral if Furlong did stay but I feel there are better Right Backs out there, also what happened to Ajayi.

Team sports seem to be one of the few professions where you can't sack employees for underperforming. It would be a real shake up and kick up the backside for some of these players if that ever changed.

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« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2025, 07:53:57 PM »
Thing is we haven't got bad players. We just haven't got a team! It's like weve got a 20 piece jigsaw made up of 20 pieces from different jigsaws!
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2025, 07:59:23 PM »
Thing is we haven't got bad players. We just haven't got a team! It's like weve got a 20 piece jigsaw made up of 20 pieces from different jigsaws!

I do agree with this. The after effects of the Lai era.

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« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2025, 08:03:35 PM »
Thing is we haven't got bad players. We just haven't got a team! It's like weve got a 20 piece jigsaw made up of 20 pieces from different jigsaws!
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« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2025, 09:31:26 PM »
I thought Grady did fine when he came on.  Granted he only got a few minutes before he was shoved to LB, but he blocked one on the line, and was managing to get forward.  Feels harsh to lump him in with...

Swift... Words can't describe how bad a performance that was.  Cost us the 2nd and put the match out of sight - yet he still didn't put any effort in.