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Title: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 26, 2011, 02:53:32 PM
Interview with the player after a England u20 training game, shows his goal as well from that game

http://www.thefa.com/video/England/Mens-U20s/2011/World%20Cup/Saido-Berahino-in-Denver
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on July 26, 2011, 03:37:56 PM
One of our elite youngsters. Good to see him getting a goal - hopefully he will get a chance to impress out on loan this year.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on July 26, 2011, 08:36:05 PM
You have to believe he is in with a chance of getting into the side during the second half of the season. Seems to be getting bigger now and to be playing under 20's having only turned 18 this year shows he is in front in his development.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kendover on July 26, 2011, 09:12:52 PM
Not 18 until next month I think  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyjop on July 27, 2011, 04:04:20 PM
Not 18 until next month I think  :o

Wow!

He really does seem to be developing very well. Hopefully we have a star on our hands
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 27, 2011, 04:42:09 PM
17 and playing in the under 20's!!! Seems like this lad has got a big future ahead of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on July 27, 2011, 04:43:09 PM
17 and playing in the under 20's!!! Seems like this lad has got a big future ahead of him.

His name sounds rather African. Are you sure he is 17?  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on July 27, 2011, 04:50:24 PM
17 and playing in the under 20's!!! Seems like this lad has got a big future ahead of him.

Take a look at this link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1227986/THE-LIST-The-50-teenage-sensations-Premier-League-history-Nos-50-41.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1227986/THE-LIST-The-50-teenage-sensations-Premier-League-history-Nos-50-41.html)

At 17 if he was going to be a major force in football then you would expect him to be playing week in week out now really.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on July 27, 2011, 05:54:09 PM
Not necessarily BB74, being only 17/18 in a premier league side leaves him with lots of time to break in to the first team.

Admittedly, if he does not break in this season then there will be some doubts over whether he will be a top striker but you can be good enough for this level and break through in your twenties. It all depends how you develop and Berahino is coming along nicely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 27, 2011, 05:20:09 PM
Been scoring loads in the reserves, and when I've seen him he's looked very impressive. What do you guys think of him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 27, 2011, 05:24:13 PM
The one goal I've seen was a cracker. England U17, I think it was.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on September 27, 2011, 05:31:06 PM
Seems like a good prospect as does kemar roofe (apologies for spelling). Has anyone heard anything about Izzy Brown? He was a kid paraded in the hawthorns when he signed last season or season before.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 27, 2011, 06:00:12 PM
Seems like a good prospect as does kemar roofe (apologies for spelling). Has anyone heard anything about Izzy Brown? He was a kid paraded in the hawthorns when he signed last season or season before.
I´ve gotta ask....... is he?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on September 27, 2011, 06:18:56 PM
I think Brown comes through next year.

As for Berahino, he has been highly thought of for a few years but im surprised he has only made the match day squad once and was not taken on the clubs pre season tour.

Players like Thorne, Mantom, Roofe etc all seem to have pushed ahead of him in the opportunity stakes and his tournament with the England u19s or 20's didnt seem to really work but hopefully this year he will get a chance to go out on loan somewhere like league 1 and we will see him start to develop.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on September 27, 2011, 06:25:30 PM
He was really poor at the U20 World Cup.  Played up front on his own which is a thankless task anyway but the way we played didnt suit his game.

Hate to draw comparisons but he reminded me alot of Ellington in terms of build, demeanor and workrate.

I'm hoping he just had a poor tournament because on thatt showing theres no way he'll break into our first team any time soon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Avonbaggie on September 27, 2011, 07:16:39 PM
What position does he play? Saw him in our squad list for the Swansea match but had no prior knowledge before that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 27, 2011, 10:01:29 PM
What position does he play? Saw him in our squad list for the Swansea match but had no prior knowledge before that.

He seems quite versatile. Think he has been playing on the wing the last few reserve games, and still getting some goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 27, 2011, 10:03:52 PM
Speaking of kids, what's up with Lateef Elford-Alliyu? Is he injured?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TLMS17 on September 27, 2011, 10:11:38 PM
I remember he was quality in Football Manager after a few years!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 27, 2011, 10:19:18 PM
Scored again today in a 3 nil win over Sunderland,our side contained Dawson and Thorne with the latter going off injured after 68 mins.Roy was there watching too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 28, 2011, 12:17:42 AM
what the hell has happened to alliyu ?

Got injured towards the end of last season when he was on loan at Tranmere, don't think he's figured at all yet this season for any of the teams including the academy so maybe still injured
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on September 28, 2011, 07:34:17 AM
Speaking of youth players in general, is anyone else disappointed at the lack of players who actually become regulars in the Albion first team.?

I know it's difficult being a premier team and the reluctance to try the kids in matches, discounting the cups, but it seems like ages since anyone came through for our team.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: brummyroader on September 28, 2011, 09:39:04 AM
Speaking of youth players in general, is anyone else disappointed at the lack of players who actually become regulars in the Albion first team.?

I know it's difficult being a premier team and the reluctance to try the kids in matches, discounting the cups, but it seems like ages since anyone came through for our team.



I think you could say that about a lot of clubs at our level as well as Championship mate, obviously there are exceptions but i would say the majority are reluctant to blood youngsters as the stakes with money in respective divisions is too high to take a punt on younger players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on September 28, 2011, 04:11:22 PM
And yet the 2 Manchester clubs do better than most!!?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 28, 2011, 04:19:54 PM
The problem is simply that to compete regularly at PL level the young players have to have talent levels that are extremely rare (on the order of 1 among thousands, probably tens of thousands). There are a lot of players without extreme talent, but they have to work years to reach a proficiency that enables them to do a job for PL teams (see McAuley etc etc).

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 28, 2011, 05:00:52 PM
I think the reserves are littered with young talent, very few 1st team players playing in the stiffs but they are top of their league, very promising I would say, many of them have moved up from junior teams to the reserves and they are still competitive, can only bode well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on September 28, 2011, 05:55:43 PM
The reserves is a start. Most teams play their youngsters in the reserves nowadays so our reserves doing well hints at the academy getting better. Villa often win the reserves league and it's no surprise that they produce so many players.

It's hard to tell how the academy is progressing as our youngsters are only just maturing into players now but I think this is a big year for them. A few of our players turn 20 in the next few months and will no longer be teenagers which can change your opinion about how young they really are. Players like Paul Downing, Romaine Sawyers, Lateef Elford Alliyu, Sam Mantom and Kayledon Brown all really have to get close to the first team or go out on loan this season like fellow age group players James Hurst and Chris Wood and impress if they are going to have a career here. To put that into perspective, Joe Mattock only a few months ago turned 21 and most had written him off a year ago.

Hopefully the players in the next age bracket like Thorne, Berahino, O Neil and Roofe also get close to the first team or a loan as they will be 19 before the season finishes and your only a youngster for so long.

We are making progress as a large number of the kids we release around that age now will have a football league career which is better than we were doing even 6 or so years ago but you just want things to speed up a bit now, be that doing something in the academy leagues and FA youth cup, doing something in the reserves or breaking into our or somebody else's first team.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 28, 2011, 06:08:11 PM
We are making progress. I have high hopes for the generation you mentioned Baggies. That team has been winning at each tier they have been playing. I am positive some of them will be able to play at the PL level. Hard to say exactly which ones yet, haven't seen enough of them all and the development paths and curves are so non-linear nearly always. But I like how comfortable they are on the ball and the way they play football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 28, 2011, 10:02:15 PM
The next step for us is getting one of youngsters to shine in the Championship,a Thorne or a Mantom.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 29, 2011, 08:44:32 AM
The next step for us is getting one of youngsters to shine in the Championship,a Thorne or a Mantom.

 ??? How about Wood
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 29, 2011, 10:41:42 AM
??? How about Wood
I tend not to class him as home grown as he came over from NZ in his later teens although im impressed and pleased at how he has done both last season and this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on September 29, 2011, 07:04:09 PM
??? How about Wood

Wood is leading the way for our other youngsters which is great news but im hoping for our other youngsters when they get a loan move to impress with their general play rather than their goals. Wood has been brilliant at scoring goals but his fans at Blues seem to concede that when you take away the goals, he hasnt looked that good. Still only a teenager but turns 20 in the next few months and if your all round play isnt good enough at 20 in that league then you have a lot of work to do if your going to be a premier league regular. His movement seems to be brilliant though because despite never appearing to be brilliant, he still gets himself into the positions to score goals which is the first rule for a striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 29, 2011, 08:42:11 PM
Zigic is back from injury now and played some part today. I doubt Wood will be getting as much time now, unfortunately
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 20, 2011, 03:27:50 PM
Good luck to him, he will be in there sqaud to face Bradford on Saturday first ever experaince of playing senior football in front on ten thousand people.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: texisonfire on October 20, 2011, 03:39:33 PM
Might be at that game as part of my course so will be interesting to see how he gets on
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on October 20, 2011, 04:16:21 PM
Hopefully he plays and does well for them - his record at youth level and reserve level is superb.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dB on October 20, 2011, 04:48:36 PM
Hopefully he plays and does well for them - his record at youth level and reserve level is superb.

Absolutely. Be very interesting to see if he can replicate it. Hope so, looks a cracking player at the minute.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 20, 2011, 10:13:10 PM
Of all our kids this is the big one for me, his record at age group levels is phenomenal, I think he'll score for fun in the lower leagues.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 20, 2011, 10:18:52 PM
I agree with that. He seems to have fitted in and excelled at every level, making the step up every time. With Wood scoring for fun at blues hopefully Saido can score in 1st team games too and we'll have home grown talent coming through sooner than later.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: katadamick on October 21, 2011, 08:35:42 AM
You can see it now big boot up front wood flicks it on berahino runs on the end of ot goal simples. Or am i dreaming  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mulumbu99 on October 22, 2011, 09:29:38 PM
Credit where credit's due, the lad was one of he few players to emerge from the latest debacle with any credit at all.  He may not have got or created many chances but he worked hard and showed a nice touch and a bit of promise for the future. What I liked about him is he seems to be a "winner". Sadly, not in the getting-three-points sense today, but in the way Mr Atkins used to label players. He kept going and going, chasing after the ball when it went out of play to get play going again while we still had a chance. He really didn't want to lose today and that is an attitude that will hopefully rub off on a few of our other players.


quote from one of there forums... played 90 mins, lost 2-1 at bradford.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mulumbu99 on October 25, 2011, 09:08:13 PM
just scored against hereford... losing 2-1.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 26, 2011, 12:33:19 PM
just scored against hereford... losing 2-1.

Is that a goal on debut? Just checked the Northampton page on the BBC and it was his second start.

Really have high hopes for this kid. Would love to see an Albion first XI with two or three regular players who have come through the academy (Berahino, Thorne and maybe Sawyers or Elford Alliyu)

On a personal note I want Romaine to do well as I taught his cousin about 12 years ago and some time later he saw me outside of school and told me to watch out for Romaine at the albion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 26, 2011, 12:46:35 PM
Is that a goal on debut? Just checked the Northampton page on the BBC and it was his second start.

Really have high hopes for this kid. Would love to see an Albion first XI with two or three regular players who have come through the academy (Berahino, Thorne and maybe Sawyers or Elford Alliyu)

On a personal note I want Romaine to do well as I taught his cousin about 12 years ago and some time later he saw me outside of school and told me to watch out for Romaine at the albion.


Berahino started on Saturday as well so it was his second game last night.

Romaine Sawyers scored in the Birmingham Senior Cup game against Redditch Utd last night.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 26, 2011, 01:07:22 PM
Berahino started on Saturday as well so it was his second game last night.

Romaine Sawyers scored in the Birmingham Senior Cup game against Redditch Utd last night.

Cheers for that. I'd noticed the first point and editted my post.

Sawyers scoring put him in mind  as I'd checked the OS earlier. Always read about the reserves and kids as I'd love to see some home grown talent coming through. Should start to see this soon as we've had academy status for quite a while now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 03, 2011, 01:32:18 PM
Loan extended until January 2nd

http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2504503,00.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 05, 2011, 04:23:52 PM
He has scored his second goal of the day.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on November 05, 2011, 05:43:34 PM
Well thats 3 in 4 I think so as long as he keeps up his goalscoring record he is moving forward. Id have liked to see him tested at league 1 rather than league 2 but there is lots of time for that to happen and more goals at this level can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 05, 2011, 07:45:43 PM
25 yarder his first one today. :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mat15(MH) on November 07, 2011, 07:58:52 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15613944.stm

His two goals are in that video. Two very nice finishes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on November 12, 2011, 04:31:50 PM
Sky Sports reporter covering the game is saying Berahino is playing very well. He is beating players down the wing and trying o chip the keeper among other things. Lets hope he climbs the divisions quick with his loan moves like Wood has because he is exciting.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2011, 01:27:27 PM
The changing of manager can't help Saido, and Northampton are really struggling. Its a shame because it sounded like he was doing well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 29, 2011, 01:47:52 PM
The changing of manager can't help Saido, and Northampton are really struggling. Its a shame because it sounded like he was doing well.
Could also work the other way as everybody will start with a clean slate so he has just as much chance to impress as anybody else there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on December 26, 2011, 07:37:08 PM
Scored in the first minute today for Northampton but they lost again. Without a win in 12 games and I dont think they have won since he signed.

Despite that, read the below link, go to "cobblers corner" and then the first thread (first sticky) which seems to be a man of the match thread.

http://www.thehotelend.co.uk/

To say the comments on Berahino are glowing would be an understatement. Best player on the pitch, unanimous MOM choice and comments that he is like a young Jermaine Defoe who will be "some player in the future".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mulumbu99 on January 02, 2012, 03:26:31 PM
just banged in one away to shrewsbury.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on January 02, 2012, 03:41:38 PM
Scoring goals in a poor side shows he really has some class! Hope to see him playing for us soon, really rate Saido!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bobcracker on January 02, 2012, 09:15:02 PM
I've seen a few of his goals on the highlights, and what stands out is the way he's taking his chances. Looks so natural, I have high hopes for the lad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on January 02, 2012, 09:21:48 PM
I'm surprised he's staying with them, 5 in 10 games for a club who've been in dreadful form and are in the relegation zone of league 2 is very impressive, and it seems its not just goals, he's skillful and very hard working.

I suppose he's going to get starts there, but at least a league one club would surely be interested. Still, they seem to be handling him well, and he appears to like it there so its not the worst idea to let him stay.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 02, 2012, 11:27:41 PM
Get him dahn the Saddlers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on January 05, 2012, 11:13:21 AM
For those that have seen him play how near is he to getting into the first team squad? From what I have read he looks like a very exciting prospect and is doing himself no harm at the moment getting 5 goals in only 10 games so far with Northampton.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on January 06, 2012, 06:50:35 AM
Had his loan extended into February.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinger1968 on January 12, 2012, 10:21:02 AM
Has to be good news. Nice to see so many of our academy players being rewarded. We must be doing something right.

http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2573575,00.html

Not sure if the link works but it's on the OS.



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 12, 2012, 10:42:57 AM
He's still only 18 and popping in the goals regularly for Northampton - a player whose development Albion fans will watch with keen anticipation. Good decision to award him a longish term contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on January 12, 2012, 11:21:30 AM
do you think he will make our first 11? i hope he does solely for his name, sounds brazilian!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 15, 2012, 12:53:32 AM
Scored again  today against high flyers Southend,looks quite strong almost like a mini Yakubu!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on February 06, 2012, 04:03:56 PM
Back at the club:

http://footytweets.com/wba/news/644305
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 06, 2012, 04:09:38 PM
and called up for the England under 19's today with Thorne

http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2601622,00.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on February 06, 2012, 09:03:15 PM
We should see if Walsall are interested. They have struggled to score goals (so i am told at work) and we can see him in a division higher.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mat15(MH) on February 08, 2012, 07:25:44 PM
http://footytweets.com/wba/news/644891?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Not going back to Northampton as he will be off to a League One club. Nice to see he will be making a step-up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on February 08, 2012, 08:08:49 PM
Thats the sort of progression he has to make. If this next spell goes well for him then the championship next season wont be out of the question and then he will be on course to find a place in our side.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: throstle on February 08, 2012, 10:34:59 PM
Going on loan to Brentford according to

http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers/breaking_news_striker_berahino_leaves_cobblers_1_3497760
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on February 09, 2012, 02:55:33 PM
Joined Brentford on loan, a step up from League 2 anyway.

http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2604912,00.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 18, 2012, 10:36:52 AM
First game for Brentford at home to Carlisle is live on Sky Sports Monday night.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on February 18, 2012, 12:10:33 PM
First game for Brentford at home to Carlisle is live on Sky Sports Monday night.

Cheers for that. This kid is really promising.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on February 20, 2012, 07:07:00 PM
Starts on the bench tonight.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: reiss on February 20, 2012, 07:19:14 PM
i would rather wacth paint dry than Brentford v Carlise
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mulumbu99 on February 20, 2012, 08:28:35 PM
screamerrrrrrrrrr.  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on February 20, 2012, 08:32:41 PM
Berinho just scored a worldy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AuxerreAlbion on February 20, 2012, 08:46:28 PM
Cracking goal from him, a nice pass for the second goal and his general play has livened-up a poor game, I'm almost looking forward to the second half.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mulumbu99 on February 20, 2012, 09:00:19 PM
wtf, another worldy  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on February 20, 2012, 09:01:26 PM
Worldy No2! Wow
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AuxerreAlbion on February 20, 2012, 09:02:55 PM
Eat my goal!
I thought his first finish was good, but that was class.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on February 20, 2012, 09:04:17 PM
wow. what an amazing second goal.

just put an extra £0 on the end of his value..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 20, 2012, 09:05:53 PM
I knew there was a reason to watch this game tonight. Can't believe I've missed them both.

Well done to the kid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 20, 2012, 09:11:37 PM
Worth a sub appearance last game or two if we're safe?

Recalling him and Wood, probably losing Cox..

Strike force of Berahino, Pete, Long, MAF, Wood ain't too shabby.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie steve on February 20, 2012, 09:24:51 PM
Two great goals and nearly the hat trick, looks a good un
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: rajesh-wba on February 20, 2012, 09:29:02 PM
Worth a sub appearance last game or two if we're safe?

Recalling him and Wood, probably losing Cox..

Strike force of Berahino, Pete, Long, MAF, Wood ain't too shabby.

No. Not yet. I think he will 'make it' at WBA, as will George Thorne. Berahino could do with playing the remainder of the season at League 1, and looking to hopefully experience Championship football next season. (Hopefully with WBA staying in the Premier League). He's only 18. I'm sure the club has high hopes for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 20, 2012, 09:38:05 PM
Worth a sub appearance last game or two if we're safe?

Recalling him and Wood, probably losing Cox..

Strike force of Berahino, Pete, Long, MAF, Wood ain't too shabby.

Whilst I would agree with your point & I'd throw Scott Allan in as well, if, as you say we were safe but I dont think Roy will do that, as it might be thought of as taking a risk & thats not in his make up. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on February 20, 2012, 09:42:13 PM
To be fair, every point counts even when safe, finishing 11th instead of 13th is an extra however much money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tim on February 20, 2012, 09:43:03 PM
great balance fab goals how good  was that second goal
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: howard62baby on February 20, 2012, 09:46:26 PM
A stunning brace for saido stepping up to the plate gets mom award well done kidda
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 20, 2012, 10:08:39 PM
To be fair, every point counts even when safe, finishing 11th instead of 13th is an extra however much money.

Of course it is but if you get a chance to play these lads in a couple of games when the pressure is off & they step up, they could save us money for transfers for other back up players & allow us to strengthen in other areas.

As I've said in other posts, you'll never know how good these kids are/can be until you throw them in against Premier opposition.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 20, 2012, 10:14:13 PM
No. Not yet. I think he will 'make it' at WBA, as will George Thorne. Berahino could do with playing the remainder of the season at League 1, and looking to hopefully experience Championship football next season. (Hopefully with WBA staying in the Premier League). He's only 18. I'm sure the club has high hopes for him.

Fair point, if, lets say 3 seasons from now we're looking at having 2 or 3 lads who have come up through the ranks and we're still at Prem level, then that in it's self will have paid for the whole system. It's nice to think our kids actually have a fuuture. We've done very very little since the Chambers twins and Justin Richards
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on February 20, 2012, 10:23:47 PM
Typed his name into twitter. Seems everyone is talking about him - he is a real prospect. h has got a swagger about him and at only 18/19 you have to believe he has got a great chance of making it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: rajesh-wba on February 20, 2012, 11:30:21 PM
Fair point, if, lets say 3 seasons from now we're looking at having 2 or 3 lads who have come up through the ranks and we're still at Prem level, then that in it's self will have paid for the whole system. It's nice to think our kids actually have a fuuture. We've done very very little since the Chambers twins and Justin Richards

I agree. I strongly believe that Thorne and Berahino will become 'PL players'.  Berahino reminds me of Jermain Defoe. Looks a very exciting prospect.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 21, 2012, 12:06:02 AM
Does anyone have any links to his goals? All i found on youtube was him Vs Australia. Cheers
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on February 21, 2012, 09:52:17 AM
http://www.griffinpark.org/forums/showthread.php?t=97488&page=6

Brentford fans are impressed with him.

Have to say having seen the goals this morning they looked top notch.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DommyKeay19 on February 21, 2012, 10:04:47 AM
"Let's just enjoy him while we can..he will go to a bigger team than West Brom in the future."

Bold claim! There are bigger teams than Westbrom?  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on February 21, 2012, 02:17:45 PM
Cracking goals but i was also very impressed with his touch and eye for a pass.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on February 22, 2012, 10:52:04 PM
goals on skysports website now

2 great finishes, one shows power and the other shows skill and class
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on February 23, 2012, 12:23:11 AM
Just watched his two latest goals. VERY impressed. Got a feeling this guy could be a great asset to the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ben1983 on February 23, 2012, 12:31:11 AM
Why isnt he, Thorne and Dawson in the team now? Hodgson out  :D

SB reminds me of Defoe!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on February 23, 2012, 10:03:57 AM
Positive reviews for this lad.

Hope he keeps his feet on the ground.

If successful on this loan spell, id consider sending him to Pompey for a month for a few games.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on February 23, 2012, 04:16:09 PM
his goals were fantastic quite excited about this chap
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on February 23, 2012, 10:43:52 PM
The Brentford fans seem to have fallen in Love  :). I hope he can carry on from where he has started and not just settle into being a normal league 1 striker. The way they are talking he was a class above every other player on the pitch and if he can do that in his teenage years it all looks good for our future. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on February 24, 2012, 12:03:41 PM
I have asked this before, how near is he to getting into the first team squad?

He is without doubt a really promising prospect but unlike some other managers who are prepared to play such talented players in the Premiership at an early age I would imagine that RH will be too cautious and reluctant to take the risk. Of course next season RH may not be at the club so in that situation the opportunity for Berahino could change favourably for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on February 24, 2012, 03:24:17 PM
It is impossible to say Bangkok. Wood and Thorne are out on loan to championship clubs so logic says they will be above him in the pecking order but if he has a good summer he might end up on the bench and then it is all down to fat and who we bring in.

With his age, their is no real rush. He could go out on loan to a championship club next season and still be on course.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on February 24, 2012, 07:33:53 PM
It is impossible to say Bangkok. Wood and Thorne are out on loan to championship clubs so logic says they will be above him in the pecking order but if he has a good summer he might end up on the bench and then it is all down to fat and who we bring in.

With his age, their is no real rush. He could go out on loan to a championship club next season and still be on course.

Also, nobody grows in a steady line. We all have our ups and downs. I don't see the need to rush these kids into our full PL squad. Let them develop as humans and as players. They will get their chance soon enough and if they are mature mentally and ready football wise it will all go so much smoother for them. As long as the kids keep growing both club and kids will win out.

We don't need some 19/20 year old kids who think they own the world because they have mad their PL debut and had a bit of success only to stop growing and end up in some kind of celebrity life style living on reputation and fame while they miss out on reaching their full potential. The football world is full of these types of 'prodigies'.
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on February 24, 2012, 09:06:41 PM

We don't need some 19/20 year old kids who think they own the world because they have mad their PL debut and had a bit of success only to stop growing and end up in some kind of celebrity life style living on reputation and fame while they miss out on reaching their full potential. The football world is full of these types of 'prodigies'.
 

I must say, that's a very sensible and mature post. Well said.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 24, 2012, 11:45:39 PM
Bit about him in Hounslow Chronicle:

http://www.hounslowchronicle.co.uk/west-london-sport/west-london-brentford-fc/2012/02/24/west-brom-striker-feared-for-his-life-109642-30398129/

SAIDO Berahino is dreaming of a career in the Premier League – but admits he was lucky to escape with his life after fleeing war-torn Burundi as a kid.

The West Brom whiz bagged a brace on his home debut in Brentford's 4-0 demolition of Carlisle in front of the Sky TV cameras on Monday night.

But the youngster knows he's fortunate not to be dead after escaping the civil war in the African country as an 11-year-old.

Heartbroken Berahino was forced to leave his family and flee for nearby Tanzania before he was granted political asylum and moved to England to be reunited with his mother and sister.

He was spotted by West Brom playing for a Sunday league side and went on to sign professional terms with the Baggies after coming through their youth system.

But the England U20 international admits his prospects were bleak back in Africa.

He said: “There was a civil war going on so I needed to escape Burundi. There was horrible stuff going on and it wasn't a nice place to be. I saw people get shot and feared for my life.

“I fled to Tanzania with one of my mum's friends – it was difficult being apart from my family.

“My mum tried to bring me here and I moved to England to meet her and my sisters when I was 11.

“It was a very frightening time, and if someone had told me then I would be playing football professionally I would've never believed them.

“It's a period in my life I want to forget because it was a bad experience.”

Berahino bagged six goals in 12 starts on loan for Northampton Town and was rewarded with a long-term deal at the Hawthorns.

Baggies boss Roy Hodgson wanted the frontman to test himself at a higher level, and he hopes his spell with the Bees can catapult him into the West Brom first-team squad.

“It was a dream [home] debut. I never thought that would happen when I came on,” he added.

“I hope I can kick on and make a name for myself. I recently signed a new contract at West Brom and doing well there is my long-term aim.

“But at the moment I'm concentrating on Brentford and hopefully the rest will take care of itself.”
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on February 25, 2012, 12:05:25 AM
^^^
I didn't know that, a very interesting story. It's awful that he had to suffer such terrible experiences in his home country, but on the positive side the fact that he has endured real hardship in his life should make him more grounded and determined to succeed than most young players who have the entire world given to them from a ridiculously young age because they're able to kick a ball better than most people. It's no surprise so many promising young players either fade into obscurity because they can't be bothered or turn out to be complete arrogant toe-rags who think they can too whatever they want (Jack Wilshere, Ravel Morrison etc).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on March 06, 2012, 09:06:13 PM
Scored again tonight against Exeter.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: reiss on March 06, 2012, 09:21:15 PM
scored again, two tonight
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 06, 2012, 09:47:46 PM
Berahino and Mantom scoring.

Fantastic night for both of them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on March 06, 2012, 09:59:12 PM
Berahino and Mantom scoring.

Fantastic night for both of them.
And for us as a club when without a regular lads we can still beat Man Ut reserves,not bad is it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 06, 2012, 10:02:48 PM
And for us as a club when without a regular lads we can still beat Man Ut reserves,not bad is it?

Not at all. I watched the game tonight and it was the first time I'd seen a few of those lads and they were very good. Especially Roofe and Nabi.

Mantom, Berhino, Thorne, Allen, D Daniels, Roofe, Nabi & Wood all seem to have promising futures providing they put the effort it which can only be good news for us as a club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on March 20, 2012, 11:43:12 PM
http://www.hounslowchronicle.co.uk/west-london-sport/allsport/2012/03/20/west-brom-striker-dropped-after-twitter-outburst-109642-30587629/

UWE Rosler revealed striker Saido Berahino was left out of the Brentford squad for tonight's defeat to Bournemouth following his Twitter rant at the weekend.

The West Brom youngster was hauled off at the break in Saturday's loss at Leyton Orient and vented his frustration on the social networking site.

However, Bees boss Rosler expects the striker to be back in training on Thursday ahead of the home game with Rochdale.

The German said: “We have addressed it [his Twitter comments] with him.

"He trained on Monday and had a meeting with West Brom today [Tuesday]. He's gone back to Birmingham and visited his mother.

“He was not in the right frame of mind to play. He has a day to think about things but will be back training with us on Thursday.”
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on March 21, 2012, 01:55:03 PM
Sounds like Saido threw his toys out of the pram. Hopefully he takes this incident as an opportunity to mature a bit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DaveWBA on March 21, 2012, 01:58:42 PM
Young lad angry about being substituted after he had a poor game, nothing wrong with that. Least he's showing a bit of passion, could have been worse atleast he didn't headbutt the manager and punch the assistant.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 21, 2012, 02:07:24 PM
All part of the learning experience really. As long as he doesn't let it happen again he will be fine but I'm sure Albion and Brentford have made it clear he has to be more professional.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AidantheBaggies on March 21, 2012, 02:10:42 PM
All part of the learning experience really. As long as he doesn't let it happen again he will be fine but I'm sure Albion and Brentford have made it clear he has to be more professional.

Agree, we all make mistakes but the most important thing is that we learn from them and move on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 21, 2012, 04:16:41 PM
Not his first show of dissent from what I know about his time with us.  Needs to grow up a bit, not a question of passion but attitude on occassions.  His only young and hopefully will learn from his mistakes as his an excellent prospect.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on March 21, 2012, 05:10:59 PM
This is the problem with twitter. It allows players who are angry after a match to share their personal opinions in a public forum. 10 years ago players would have been similar to this but they didnt have a medium to tell everybody.

He does need to learn a lesson from this though else he will have problems in his career.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on March 21, 2012, 05:41:18 PM
Not condoning it, but all it is is a young lad getting a bit frustrated and posting a silly message on the internet. Players a lot older and more in the public eye than him who should know a lot better have done much worse things.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on March 21, 2012, 10:07:39 PM

Nothing wrong in anybody making a mistake our making a bad judgment call its all part of learning  :-[
as long as you do learn from it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on April 03, 2012, 12:24:55 PM
I see that Albion have recalled Saido Behrino from his youth spell at Brentford for 'personal reason'. I wonder what those reasons are!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on April 03, 2012, 12:32:11 PM
I see that Albion have recalled Saido Behrino from his youth spell at Brentford for 'personal reason'. I wonder what those reasons are!

They are personal......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on April 03, 2012, 03:16:48 PM
They are personal......

When has any football gossip ever been personal? :D :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on April 03, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
He mouthed off on twitter after being subbed at HT, so that might have something to do with it. I really hope the reasons aren't too serious as he's very young to be dealing with trauma.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on July 31, 2012, 09:17:06 PM
http://www.wba.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=288638

Long Tips Berahino For First Team Role
   
Shane Long has tipped youngster Saido Berahino to make an impact in the first team this season, after impressing Steve Clarke in our pre season games so far.

Speaking to the Birmingham Mail Long said of the Burundi born striker who turns 19 this Friday, that he has all the qualities necessary to be a real challenger for the first team this season.

'He's a great prospect, he's a good finisher, a natural goalscorer. He's working on other aspects of his game to bring him up to that level, Saido is definitely going to add to the competition for places.'

Clarke has shown he will involve the youngsters in pre season so it's down to them to take the chance now.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on July 31, 2012, 09:29:09 PM
Just scored a brace against Stockport tonight.

I think he has big potential. Did well out on loan and wingers tend to get a chance at a younger age.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on July 31, 2012, 09:39:50 PM
Just scored a brace against Stockport tonight.

I think he has big potential. Did well out on loan and wingers tend to get a chance at a younger age.
He's a striker mate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on July 31, 2012, 09:42:17 PM
He's a striker mate.

I know but I've seen him play on the wing before - that's where I expect him to get opportunities at first.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 31, 2012, 09:46:52 PM
I know but I've seen him play on the wing before - that's where I expect him to get opportunities at first.

This kind of thinking has all but ruined Theo Walcott. Play the lad up top in the cups and as a substitute or loan him out imo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on July 31, 2012, 09:47:21 PM
I know but I've seen him play on the wing before - that's where I expect him to get opportunities at first.
Maybe your right but i cant see that myself,not sure he would be disciplined enough at the highest level to play wide.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on July 31, 2012, 09:52:26 PM
I kind of agree Jacko. Walcott and Sturride are two examples of players who have been forced out wide when really they are strikers. I just think initially, to get some experience, it wouldn't hurt to play him there for some games.

I think young pacey players get pushed out wide so they don't have to be as disciplined. It depends on what Clarke wants from his wide men.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dinkydave2003 on August 06, 2012, 11:53:46 AM
he's an out and out striker, seen him score literally hundreds  (no exaggeration) for Phoenix Utd
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on August 09, 2012, 10:23:43 PM
It seems Clarke rates him highly. With the amount of forwards we have you would think he would struggle to get inot the team but im getting the impression we might actually see a bit of him this season in a 433 formation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 10, 2012, 11:12:02 AM
If we get Lukaku in and don't lose a senior striker before the season starts then we need to look at getting him a decent loan move so he's getting games. He needs to get regular playing time to develop as a player, having seen him on video at Walsall compared to other times I've seen him he looks like he's developed physically in recent months so it looks as though he's a good prospect for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 10, 2012, 11:27:06 AM
I've always felt that you need at least 1 extra player per position.

If we assume Cox and Wood are either sold or in the case of the latter, loaned out then we could line up like this:

RF: Odemwingie
CF: Lukaku
LF: Rosenberg

SC and Ashworth made a point of saying Rosenberg can play in various positions so i think we'll see him wider.

That means Long could be utilised out wide. Fortune as back up to Lukaku. Leaving Berahino as a back up to the other wide man.

But because all our striker naturally play through the middle. I would definitely loan Berahino out if SC plans to play every other striker in the squad before him if we suffer injuries or suspensions.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 08, 2013, 02:33:08 PM
Just been announced full report here First Under 21 call up

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2013/08/08/west-broms-saido-berahino-wins-england-under-21-call-up-from-roy-hodgson/

West Brom striker Saido Berahino today received his first call-up for England Under-21s – from former Baggies boss Roy Hodgson.
Saido Berahino   

The England coach is taking charge of the under-21 side for Tuesday’s meeting with Scotland at Bramall Lane while the FA seek a replacement for the sacked Stuart Pearce.

And Hodgson has handed Burundi-born hitman Berahino his first chance at under-21 level.

The 20-year-old has played regularly for England youth sides and has been a regular member of first-team squads during the current pre-season campaign.

He made his competitive Baggies debut against Yeovil in the Capital One Cup last season.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 08, 2013, 02:35:00 PM
great potential , quick , tricky good build , this guy could be our best signing this season .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 08, 2013, 02:39:44 PM
I wouldn't think of sending him out on loan until he has had a sniff of the premier league. See what he can do first.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on August 08, 2013, 03:03:33 PM
Must have been a long, long time since one of our academy products was called up the under 21's, I wonder who was the last?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 08, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
I think it might have been Remi Moses. Others have made appearances since e.g. Dawson and Davies but they were not a product of our youth set up. It has been a long wait but I think the youth development programme is starting to bare fruit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on August 08, 2013, 03:21:39 PM
Congrats Saido, let's hope you get some time on the pitch.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 08, 2013, 03:42:44 PM
Shame Thorne got injured. if he hadn't I would have thought we'd have had 2 academy products in the u21 squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: coram_wba906 on August 08, 2013, 04:02:09 PM
Best of luck to him, he must be looking forward to his call up.
Holding on to our young talent is my worry. I was lifted by the appearance of Isaiah Brown last season, and then look what happened.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 08, 2013, 04:05:52 PM
Best of luck to him, he must be looking forward to his call up.
Holding on to our young talent is my worry. I was lifted by the appearance of Isaiah Brown last season, and then look what happened.
Difference is I don't think Saido's batch really apply, as many have professional contracts. With them we get what we want for them, without going to tribunal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on August 08, 2013, 04:10:10 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but i think Saido is already on a senior pro contract?
I do rate him and have for a while but I'm not convinced he is ready for the top flight just yet , such a shame his loan at Peterborough was cut short by injury.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 08, 2013, 04:25:06 PM
I have a sneaky feeling that at some point next season this shall become the official Saido Berahino thread..

Congratulations to him - and let's hope he continues to improve.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2013, 04:31:15 PM
I have a sneaky feeling that at some point next season this shall become the official Saido Berahino thread..

Congratulations to him - and let's hope he continues to improve.

Quicker than you think  :o

Been impressed with Saido both this pre-season and last plus the reserve games i've seen him in. Will cause defenders problems towards the end of a game if we stick him on the bench this season although a loan until Christmas may be better to help with fitness after his injury last season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 08, 2013, 04:34:28 PM
You've seen him more than me, Phil, what's he like? Do you reckon he'll be around the first team this year? More importantly, is he good enough for that stage yet or does his development need to be continued elsewhere?

Sorry for the barrage of questions  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2013, 04:39:19 PM
He's quick, nippy, not scared to take someone on, not scared to have a shot, bit raw at times I guess. Is he good enough ? time will tell to be honest, I would send him out until Christmas to get him fit but no lower than Championship and only to a club that will play him regular otherwise keep him and stick him on the bench to bring on against tiring defenders.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 08, 2013, 06:10:50 PM
Well done Saido, suffered a frustrating injury last season when he was showing real potential, I would give him a few cameo performances in the cup and last ten minutes of games. If he needs it, then send him to a Championship club for 'finishing', hope he makes the grade for us, we are over due some talent coming through.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on August 08, 2013, 09:29:07 PM
If we don't sign anyone then Berahino could be important off the bench with no Lukaku or Pete to offer impact off the bench.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WSBaggie on August 09, 2013, 12:55:41 AM
If the coaching staff rate him lets hope he gets a decent chance. He could be like an extra signing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 09, 2013, 12:17:32 PM
He needs to go out to a Championship club to play week-in, week-out until at least the Jan window to give everyone a proper idea of what he's capable of.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 09, 2013, 04:11:20 PM
He needs to go out to a Championship club to play week-in, week-out until at least the Jan window to give everyone a proper idea of what he's capable of.
why would/should the coaching staff care what we think? they'll loan him for his benefit not ours.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on August 09, 2013, 04:28:59 PM
Did i hear Arsenal were sniffing?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 09, 2013, 04:49:55 PM
Did i hear Arsenal were sniffing?

Means nothing, he's under contract and not subject to pathetic Academy rules
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 10, 2013, 10:04:35 AM
why would/should the coaching staff care what we think? they'll loan him for his benefit not ours.
I didn't say they wouldn't.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on August 28, 2013, 12:13:42 AM
What a player! Looked really good tonight! Reminded me of odemwingie, albeit at a lower level but you can only play against those in front of you. Could he be the right winger we are looking for? The team looked so balanced tonight with him and sinclair on the wings. However I very much doubt Clarke will have the balls to start him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on August 28, 2013, 07:56:54 AM
Impressive. He's obviously very two footed as his cracking 2nd goal was with his left and he took the penalty with his right. I remember seeing him score a similar cracker for Brentford with his right also.

Think age should be forgotten. Judged just on performance, and I know it was against Newport, but he would be the 1st striker picked for Saturday.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on August 28, 2013, 08:01:59 AM
I know he's come by a different route, but I still remember becoming aware of one "C. Regis" making his first impression in a league cup early round game, 2 goals against Rotherham, one a pen- and he'd apparently never taken one before so he just belted it.

Here's hoping...!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on August 28, 2013, 08:05:28 AM
just enough time left in the transfer window for some team to come and whisk him away for next to nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on August 28, 2013, 08:13:03 AM
His link up play with jones was excellent. He was our best forward player, easily better than Rosenberg and vydra. Saido has a bright future that's for sure.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on August 28, 2013, 08:16:30 AM
Didn't go last night but saw the goals this morning on SSN and his second was a beauty with his 'weaker' foot.
 
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on August 28, 2013, 08:25:09 AM
Berahino showed me more in 31 minutes(granted it was newport) then rosenberg has in the whole time he has been here. Give the kid a chance!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 28, 2013, 08:53:50 AM
I was impressed last night not only with his goals but his overall contribution. Yes it was only Newport but that didn't stop other more senior players looking poor at times the kid looked confident in everything he did and I don't think he would be phased by a bigger stage.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on August 28, 2013, 09:00:26 AM
Superb performance from Saido last night. He really impressed me in pre season and didn't disappoint last night either. As others have said it wasn't just his finishing but his around play that surprised me. His link up play, movement off the ball and probably most surprisingly, how well he could back into bigger defenders and shield the ball. For me, especially with Vydra out, I'd be tempted to stick with 433 and play Berahino and Sinclair either side of Long on Sunday. He's done himself no harm, we are a bit short of options and his confidence is sky high.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pete on August 28, 2013, 09:38:26 AM
Agree with what has been said by all but what has really impressed me by this kid is

HES HUNGRY, willing to improve and learn DAILY!

He seems to love the game and just be playing rather than wanting to just sit and collect cash! Saido will make it at our club I have a feeling in my water! ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 54hines on August 28, 2013, 09:48:07 AM
Watched the game last night, this guy was head and shoulders above anybody else, not just scoring a hat trick,(which can sometimes flatter a players overall performance ) but his lay offs and involvement in the game. Ok it was against inferior opposition but other players in our team were playing inferior opposition and they did not exactly stand out. Not getting carried away but I think this guy is worthy of giving him another run out in the first team and could help solve a few problems. How ironic having been linked with some big names if the surprise of the season comes from a player we already have.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 28, 2013, 09:55:21 AM
I thought he was terrific last night.
On the down side our chairman may view the lads performance as the perfect excuse not to dip into the transfer market for a more experienced alternative.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 28, 2013, 09:59:08 AM
just enough time left in the transfer window for some team to come and whisk him away for next to nothing.

He's on a pro contract with us so his value has just gone up after last nights performance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 28, 2013, 10:03:45 AM
I'm not one to get carried away by young players impressing in one cup game against poor opposition. However I've seen the lad a couple of times now in pre-season/cup games and he does look like he has the attributed to become a very handy player.

The first goal last night looked a decent team goal but he made a fantastic run and it was a good finish, his second goal was a special finish on what I assume is his weaker foot and he showed great composure for his penalty to secure a hat-trick. Signs are promising but he has only come up against relatively poor opponents so far, will be interesting to see how he gets on against better quality players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on August 28, 2013, 10:09:22 AM
I thought he was terrific last night.
On the down side our chairman may view the lads performance as the perfect excuse not to dip into the transfer market for a more experienced alternative.


Thats exactly what worries me
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 28, 2013, 11:03:54 AM
I really hope we see a lot more of him this season, I wouldn't play him every game but I would be happy to see him start in the Premiership as there is a lot of potential there and hopefully this will spur on the likes of Rosenberg even more as he knows Berahino is staking his claim to start. I'm really looking forward to seeing his goals tonight.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 28, 2013, 11:31:24 AM
Hopefully the more we see of him the more that people will get his name right including Albion fans singing his name. Its Berahino not Brinho, Berinho but BERAHINO  :D

He's earned a regular place on the bench for a while at least, there may come a time where he needs to be taken out of the action for a couple of weeks as some youngsters do but regular action from the bench will break him in gently without putting too much pressure on him.

Hopefully Southgate will give him his U21 debut in the next game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on August 28, 2013, 09:23:36 PM
I thought he was terrific last night.
On the down side our chairman may view the lads performance as the perfect excuse not to dip into the transfer market for a more experienced alternative.
Guess there's 2 ways of looking at it. If he is viewed as ready, then why sign someone else and freeze Saido out ? I agree that as a young player he will probably need to be taken out of the firing line at some stage during a season but he's looking good so give him full chance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 28, 2013, 09:27:11 PM
Guess there's 2 ways of looking at it. If he is viewed as ready, then why sign someone else and freeze Saido out ? I agree that as a young player he will probably need to be taken out of the firing line at some stage during a season but he's looking good so give him full chance.
If Saido's deemed ready then we have 5 strikers on the books. With the cry for a winger do we need another? especially if we play a 4-5-1 with a lone striker?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MHB WBA on August 28, 2013, 10:20:04 PM
Should start against swansea
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on August 29, 2013, 01:24:34 AM
Should start against swansea

Agreed, give him a chance Clarke. Berahino, Sinclair and Anelka up top.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on August 29, 2013, 06:16:19 AM
I reckon he'll bring him on for Long in the 82nd minute, unless we're a goal up, in which case Berahino will stay on the bench.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mannimc on August 29, 2013, 12:00:16 PM
It will be Long and Anelka, Berahino will come on for 10 mins at the end
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 29, 2013, 12:03:55 PM
If Saido's deemed ready then we have 5 strikers on the books. With the cry for a winger do we need another? especially if we play a 4-5-1 with a lone striker?

Use the term loosely. Do you really think the strikers we have are capable of scoring the goals to fire us into another top half finish? I personally don't. We may have just enough to survive but nothing more IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mannimc on August 29, 2013, 12:10:02 PM
I dont think we have enough goals to survive

I think were looking at roughly

Long 10
Anelka 8
Saido ?
Rosenburg 1-2
Vydra 8?
Morrison 5
Malumbu 3
Yacob 1
Sinclair 6?
Brunt 2
Dorrans 1 or 2

Theres not a lot of goals at all
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WSBaggie on August 29, 2013, 12:41:40 PM
I dont think we have enough goals to survive

I think were looking at roughly

Long 10
Anelka 8
Saido ?
Rosenburg 1-2
Vydra 8?
Morrison 5
Malumbu 3
Yacob 1
Sinclair 6?
Brunt 2
Dorrans 1 or 2

Theres not a lot of goals at all

Thats close to 50 goals, very generous in my opinion. Nobody thought Lukaku was going to get 17 last year so it would be nice for somebody else this season to surprise us. Long, Anelka maybe even Rosenberg or Vydra. not saying these are going to get 17 but hitting double figures would surprise me.

You haven't included any goals from our defenders who do pop up with a few as we are quite dangerous from set pieces. That could balance out the generous amount of goals you have handed Vydra or Sinclair maybe.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 29, 2013, 01:58:28 PM
I dont think we have enough goals to survive

I think were looking at roughly

Long 10
Anelka 8
Saido ?
Rosenburg 1-2
Vydra 8?
Morrison 5
Malumbu 3
Yacob 1
Sinclair 6?
Brunt 2
Dorrans 1 or 2

Theres not a lot of goals at all

Anelka should comfotably be top scorer (as the squad stands), not sure what you're basing goals from Rosenberg and Yacob on though mate  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 29, 2013, 03:04:18 PM
I dont think we have enough goals to survive

I think were looking at roughly

Long 10
Anelka 8
Saido?
Rosenburg 1-2
Vydra 8?
Morrison 5
Malumbu 3
Yacob 1
Sinclair 6?
Brunt 2
Dorrans 1 or 2

Theres not a lot of goals at all
lukaku 21
kalou 16
moses 6
anelka 9
Sinclair 6
berahino 2
vydra 7
mulumbu 3
Olsson 3
gmac 5
jones 2
mozza 5
gera 1

96     championees :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 29, 2013, 04:02:10 PM
I dont think we have enough goals to survive

I think were looking at roughly

Long 10
Anelka 8
Saido ?
Rosenburg 1-2
Vydra 8?
Morrison 5
Malumbu 3
Yacob 1
Sinclair 6?
Brunt 2
Dorrans 1 or 2

Theres not a lot of goals at all
that's 47 goals. Around what we got last year? plus it's only 3 short of the target Clarke's set. I'd be happy with that  :)

Add the couple McAuley can get from corners, Jones will probably get 1-2 too, and Saido and we can actually beat the 50 goal target!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 29, 2013, 07:47:23 PM
lukaku 21
kalou 16
moses 6
anelka 9
Sinclair 6
berahino 2
vydra 7
mulumbu 3
Olsson 3
gmac 5
jones 2
mozza 5
gera 1

96     championees :D

You left out Foster's penalty hat-trick! Silly man  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on August 30, 2013, 01:07:51 AM
Hope he at least gets some minutes on the pitch against Swansea. His confidence will be sky high,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 05, 2013, 07:22:51 PM
Saido starts for the England under 21s tonight in a game which can be discussed in the England football thread in the General Sports forum.

Came across an interview with him earlier:

Saido Berahino is aiming to continue his amazing journey on Thursday by picking up his first England Under-21 cap at the Madejski Stadium.

The in-form West Bromwich Albion striker is in Gareth Southgate’s squad to play Moldova and Finland in their opening Euro qualifiers.

And it will be the latest step on the football ladder for Berahino, who has been previously been capped by England at every level since U16.

What makes Berahino’s story even more interesting is that he only landed in England 10 years ago from the civil war-torn African nation of Burundi.

Without speaking a word of English on his arrival to these shores, Berahino admits it was football which helped him settle into his new life.

“If you had asked 10 years ago when I first came that I’d be at West Brom and playing for England now, I wouldn’t have believed you,” admitted the 20-year-old.

“It was difficult when I first went to primary school and had to have a tutor to teach me because I didn’t speak English.

“It was frustrating because I wanted to be out with the other lads and the people around the school, but I couldn’t because I didn’t speak English.

“But I learned quickly and I got respect from the other lads when I started playing.

“It’s been an amazing journey and I just want to carry on going.”

Berahino’s football skills had already been honed on the streets of Burundi’s capital Bujumbura by the time he arrived in Birmingham.

After growing up playing barefooted and with a ball made from the plastic bags found strewn on the streets, within two years of being in England he was snapped up by West Brom’s youth academy where his football education continued.

He explained: “I’ve learned a lot playing in England, because it’s a different type of game.

“In Africa, you just enjoy playing and don’t think about anything tactics-wise, it was just kicking a ball around back then.

“I was young and everyone would just play after school wherever we could find a space, we’d be out there playing, on grass, sand, wherever we could.

“That was all we had really, there were no PS3s or internet at home.

“Everyone was together where we lived and would know each other - that was where I developed my skills.

“But when I came here I had to learn about tactics and how to manage the ball in certain areas and that was the difference.”

Since making his England debut for the U16s in 2009, Berahino has experienced winning the Euro Championship in 2010 and playing in the U20 World Cup in Colombia in 2011.

Coming into this game on the back of a hat-trick for West Brom against Newport County in the League Cup last week, he is now hoping to continue his development with both club and country.

“Every day I just try and improve and I don’t want to stop learning so I’ll keep my head down and carry on doing what I’m doing,” said the former Nothampton Town, Brentford and Peterborough United loanee.

“I had a bad injury last season and my focus was just on getting back to where I was before and pushing on, both for the Under-21s and my club.

“I think I’m on the right track and I just want to carry on and progress.

“I feel like I’ve been given a second chance from where I grew up to now, so I can’t throw it away.

“I’ve got to take this chance with both of my hands and I’ve got to go for it. If I fail, that’s what’s meant to be, that’s God’s plan.”

http://www.thefa.com/england/mens-under-21s/News/2013/saido-berahino-feature-050913
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on September 05, 2013, 08:00:38 PM
Scored 13 minutes into his under 21 debut.

Shame he'll have been pushed down the order by the signings, really deserves a chance for us. Makes a mockery of our academy if even starting under 21's never get a chance, no wonder the likes of Brown leave us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on September 05, 2013, 08:05:11 PM
Made a quality finish in his debut,great to see him score.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 05, 2013, 08:22:24 PM
Scored 13 minutes into his under 21 debut.

Shame he'll have been pushed down the order by the signings, really deserves a chance for us. Makes a mockery of our academy if even starting under 21's never get a chance, no wonder the likes of Brown leave us.
Some said not to breathe too much into the Newport game because the level was much lower than what you would expect. Same here, Saido could play the full Moldovan internationals and come out on top. In reality he's not going to displace those around him (all of whom are full international players bar Anelka and Anichebe who have both served in the past) easily but if he impresses consistently then he'll get his chance.

P.S. I believe Brown is a Chelsea fan (and have just as bad if not worse habit of not using their academy) so he was going as soon as.

P.P.S I'm liking this Moldovan goalkeeper, hope the scouts keep tabs on him. :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tucka9 on September 05, 2013, 08:39:05 PM
movement, close control, always looking to get shots off don't depend on the opposition though. Owen just said what I've been thinking all summer that he reminds me of Defoe.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pattayabaggie on September 05, 2013, 08:41:29 PM
Scored 13 minutes into his under 21 debut.

Shame he'll have been pushed down the order by the signings, really deserves a chance for us. Makes a mockery of our academy if even starting under 21's never get a chance, no wonder the likes of Brown leave us.
Its only Moldova U21 lets not get carried away I think he'll be much better if he goes and spends the year in the championship personally its got to be better than sitting on the bench getting 10 minutes here and there
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 05, 2013, 09:42:13 PM
He just looks good - sharpness, skill, can engineer something out of nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on September 06, 2013, 09:07:57 AM
he oozes class and has a great first touch, last weeks game was begging for him to come on for an under par shane long
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Smooth Lad on September 06, 2013, 09:11:18 AM
I really do feel positive about Saido, like we have a really good player on our hands. Providing we keep him, time to put the leg work in and not let the likes of Chelski and Scousepool nick him for 2million net summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on September 06, 2013, 10:18:23 AM
I really do feel positive about Saido, like we have a really good player on our hands. Providing we keep him, time to put the leg work in and not let the likes of Chelski and Scousepool nick him for 2million net summer.

Not that money won't count for him, but reading about his past issues and how we as a club have looked after him & his family will count for a lot when the time comes for him to sign a new contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WSBaggie on September 06, 2013, 10:18:47 AM
Scored 13 minutes into his under 21 debut.

Shame he'll have been pushed down the order by the signings, really deserves a chance for us. Makes a mockery of our academy if even starting under 21's never get a chance, no wonder the likes of Brown leave us.

Brown left us whilst sitting on the bench at the age of 16
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 06, 2013, 10:39:33 AM
In terms of development I wouldn't send him out on loan to the Championship for the whole season he is going to learn everything he is going to learn at that level in three months the rest is just repetition and more game time. I would loan him out to the end of the year.

In January whichever striker Clarke has completely ignored (there is almost certainly will be at least one) I would ship out and bring Berahino back into the squad. The one thing we need to be absolutely clear about is the only way this club will progress is by developing its own young players and when we do have a player of potential we need to give him the opportunity to thrive here.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 06, 2013, 01:36:06 PM
Brown left us whilst sitting on the bench at the age of 16

Berahino is on a professional contract, whereas Brown was on an academy one. He probably got game-time to try to convince him to stay with us when we heard Chelsea were sniffing around.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 06, 2013, 04:42:43 PM
movement, close control, always looking to get shots off don't depend on the opposition though. Owen just said what I've been thinking all summer that he reminds me of Defoe.

Ive been saying the same thing for 2 years about the lad since I first saw him properly

Very much like defoe
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on September 06, 2013, 06:31:24 PM
Ive been saying the same thing for 2 years about the lad since I first saw him properly

Very much like defoe


Something I have always said so I will second(or third) that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on September 06, 2013, 07:14:16 PM

In terms of development I wouldn't send him out on loan to the Championship for the whole season he is going to learn everything he is going to learn at that level in three months the rest is just repetition and more game time. I would loan him out to the end of the year.

In January whichever striker Clarke has completely ignored (there is almost certainly will be at least one) I would ship out and bring Berahino back into the squad. The one thing we need to be absolutely clear about is the only way this club will progress is by developing its own young players and when we do have a player of potential we need to give him the opportunity to thrive here.

That's bang on. And it's a structural weakness of the coach/director of football split. The guy who picks the team has a short term horizon. He cares about the next game, maybe next month, but almost certainly not next season. That longer term look is the sporting director's job. The coach is measured on the immediate term only.

So he never picks the developing player, because he has no interest in trading off the present against the future. He only weighs one side of the balance.

Whereas the guy paid to have an eye on the future (sporting director) doesn't pick the team.

Seems to me, anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 06, 2013, 09:08:47 PM
The way he is performing, it would be criminal not to give him some game time. This kid is a great talent. The way he can turn a defender and finish in the blink of an eye tells me that we have some serious raw talent that we shouldn't be afraid to unleash in the last 20 minutes of a game. He's one of those match winner type players that will score for fun when confident.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 06, 2013, 09:17:53 PM
That's bang on. And it's a structural weakness of the coach/director of football split. The guy who picks the team has a short term horizon. He cares about the next game, maybe next month, but almost certainly not next season. That longer term look is the sporting director's job. The coach is measured on the immediate term only.

So he never picks the developing player, because he has no interest in trading off the present against the future. He only weighs one side of the balance.

Whereas the guy paid to have an eye on the future (sporting director) doesn't pick the team.

Seems to me, anyway.
But then why does it work so well in Europe? places like Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium where the system is common?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on September 07, 2013, 09:50:32 AM

But then why does it work so well in Europe? places like Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium where the system is common?

I don't mean that it's a fatal flaw, just a weakness.

I suspect that long termism and youth development are bigger in the whole football culture of those countries and therefore of the coach's instincts, and the kind of behavior which seems appropriate, even if it may not be totally in his direct, immediate, next game interest.

Another aspect is the million pound a place premier league money which means younger squad players don't get the chance the last few games of the season the way they used to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andzy on September 07, 2013, 09:58:57 AM
But then why does it work so well in Europe? places like Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium where the system is common?

I think it works so well in Europe because there's not the money there is in the English leagues so finishing 8th in france doesn't mean as much revenue to finishing 8th in the EPL.

But with a system of a coach/ DoF maybe the DoF should be telling the manager there's no need to be buying a player for a certain position as there's a suitable player in the academy just my thoughts though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on September 09, 2013, 06:28:46 PM
Scored again for the under 21's, equaliser away to Finland.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andzy on September 09, 2013, 07:38:44 PM
Another good display from him tonight think he needs a bit of game time see what he can do in the first team
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 09, 2013, 09:04:45 PM
But then why does it work so well in Europe? places like Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium where the system is common?
I don't know the facts but maybe they keep heir managers longer so less of a risk ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lordbaggie on September 10, 2013, 01:03:45 AM
Wake up Baggies!

This is our best forward prospect since the late 70's.

Did we send Cunningham and Regis into a lower division to " gain experience"?

No we effing didn't!

Berahino seems to be most people's no 1 "get rid" option (albeit on loan)

For me he's our no1 retain option.

Keep him and Anelka and probably Sess and any rejects come out of the rest (prob Long and Rosie no matter how harsh)

We don't want him scoring 25 in the champ - we want 10-15 in the Prem - for us!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on September 10, 2013, 07:30:44 AM
I'd consider a loan til Xmas. He's not going to get much game time with us so keep up his development. After his 2 England performances clubs will be fighting over him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on September 10, 2013, 07:52:06 AM
This just highlights what was said last week from the FA. To many foreigners and not enough english getting  games with their clubs.He should be given a run of games starting from Saturday
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on September 10, 2013, 09:03:17 AM
For me, he needs minutes on the pitch in a West Brom shirt. His touch has looked good and he's scored 5 goals this season, west brom are struggling for goals. Long looks out of sorts, the berg cant score and vydra could still be injured. Inspite of all of that i'd still like to see him start anyway, or at least be coming off the bench ahead of long and the berg
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 10, 2013, 09:11:51 AM
Berahino does demonstrate the problem faced by young players in this country. The equivalent German, Dutch, French or Spanish player would be very much part of the first team plans if they were playing for a mid table team in those countries. Here there is a debate as to whether or not to send him out on loan to a 2nd tier club because there are 5 strikers ahead of him 3 of whom were bought in this window the continental clubs could not afford that luxury in fees or wages.

I think there is a completely different mind set abroad outside the really big clubs were coaches expect to blood youngsters as part of their job whereas here  coaches expect to have 2 or 3 senior players to choose from in every position and only use young players if they have a crisis or the youngster is exceptionally talented.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on September 10, 2013, 09:14:18 AM
Wake up Baggies!

This is our best forward prospect since the late 70's.

Did we send Cunningham and Regis into a lower division to " gain experience"?

No we effing didn't!

Berahino seems to be most people's no 1 "get rid" option (albeit on loan)

For me he's our no1 retain option.

Keep him and Anelka and probably Sess and any rejects come out of the rest (prob Long and Rosie no matter how harsh)

We don't want him scoring 25 in the champ - we want 10-15 in the Prem - for us!

Big difference here is that Cunningham and Regis came to us have gained experience in the lower leagues. Cunningham in particular had a great spell at Orient so we had no need to loan him out. Regis played much non league football
Berahino needs game experience and time at a championship club will aid his development
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on September 10, 2013, 09:54:17 AM
Berahino just has to play in the next two matches!

My team would be:

Any keeper.

Jones.
McAuley.
Olsson.
Popov.

Sessignon.
Mulumbu.
Morrison.

Berahino.
Anichebe.
Sinclair.

Drastic I know....but we desperately need goals before confidence becomes a major problem. Anichebe could just provide the link-up we need to bring people like Saido, Mozzer and Sess into goal scoring opportunities.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on September 10, 2013, 10:12:09 AM
I would love to see him given a chance - 1) because he is bang in form and deserves a chance and 2) its a great incentive for the academy players to show there is a path to the first team.

As somebody else said, we need goals and he scores goals, to be fair to our strikers we have created very little first 3 league games but Saido looks like he can create something from nothing, personally i would like him even if not handed a start, on the bench and not given 5-10 minutes, give him a good half hour. I would like him to spend a bit of time with the first team, get him some game time and call it from there, if he shows he can play this level regular then he stays in the team and doesnt become the fallguy, or if he isnt quite ready, loan him out to the championship til xmas.

Saido also will lift the fans like probably no other player in our squad, he is one of ours and than in itself gives him a massive boost with the supporters.

However.......

Although dont really want him to, I do feel he will be loaned out.

The strikers we have now Vdrya, Anelka, Anichebe you would think at least 2 will play each game with the other been on the bench, and then you have Long and Rosenberg who probably one of those will be on the bench too (although i think it will be Long and Rosenberg will be loaned out) I just think Saido will be seen as the easy one to loan out which does have some logic but personally would love to see him get a chance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on September 10, 2013, 10:27:48 AM
It would be crazy to send him on loan at the moment.  We have one of the best strikers of premiership history at the club for who knows how long and this kid can learn a hell of lot training daily with him.  Hopefully he can learn by getting minutes on the pitch as well.  He is our only striker to have scored this season so by rights he should be given a chance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 10, 2013, 10:51:41 AM
I have long thought that he would be the most promising youngster coming from the academy and I will be very disappointed if the club send him out on loan again. As others have said he is bang on form and eager so why not give him an opportunity, at least from the bench.

Sadly I think the mindset of SC and the club will be to loan him out again. Why not take a chance for a change, other clubs have with their own promising youngsters coming through before they reach 21.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 10, 2013, 10:55:31 AM
Big difference here is that Cunningham and Regis came to us have gained experience in the lower leagues. Cunningham in particular had a great spell at Orient so we had no need to loan him out. Regis played much non league football
Berahino needs game experience and time at a championship club will aid his development

This just makes me laugh because it demonstrates how much the game has changed in the intervening years. We went into the season with Regis as second choice Centre Forward a player with no league experience whatsoever I don't know who the third choice was probably some callow faced 17 year old. Had we tried to do that this season the board would have gone into meltdown. If we signed Cunningham today I would guess that half our fans would be condemning him as a "Championship Player" who is unproven at this level almost regardless of how many games he had played at that level. 

It was a different world but young players got a chance because clubs were not carrying the bloated squads they do today, during the same season Albion used the grand total of 17 players throughout a season which saw us play over 50 games in league and cup a number which we have already exceeded this season to get through 3 fixtures. If Clarke is ever down to 17 Senior Pro's he will be saying that he is down to the bare bones and fretting about reinforcements during the January window. Actually the answer is play the kids because they will rise to the challenge and probably be as effective than some Senior Pro who has the hump because he is not playing in his favourite position.

Our attitude to young players as a club has to change if we are to progress.
   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on September 10, 2013, 11:26:45 AM
I think the fans attitudes have to change before the clubs can.

If we were to play Berahino for a couple of games and he didn't score, then Clarke and the club would be getting untold amounts of stick.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on September 10, 2013, 11:57:54 AM
I said earlier in the thread, loan him out till Christmas. That was because realistically I don't believe there's much chance he'll get game time till the new year, depending on injuries and poor form by the more senior players.

I do think on current form he's our number three striker at the moment though, behind Anelka and Anichebe. If I were picking the team, I'd use Saido ahead of the other three. I don't think that's likely though, so he might as well be loaned as playing in the reserves.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 10, 2013, 12:49:37 PM
He just needs to play. One way or the other. If SC is going to use him (and not just as a 10 min sub), then great. But I think SC can only use him by totally dropping Berg and possibly Long also, which i'm not sure he will do.

If that's the case, i'd loan him to the Champ until Christmas, sell Berg, Long and probably Dorrans/Brunt and bring back Saido along with one more incoming player.

Peace will have his 22 man squad and we'll actually have come attacking power in the team!

The important part here is to not be bottom 3 by christmas, as getting in players may be an issue if we are. (along those lines, I think we'll be fine. I'd be amazed if we don't finish 15th at worst)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on September 10, 2013, 01:07:39 PM
This just makes me laugh because it demonstrates how much the game has changed in the intervening years. We went into the season with Regis as second choice Centre Forward a player with no league experience whatsoever I don't know who the third choice was probably some callow faced 17 year old. Had we tried to do that this season the board would have gone into meltdown. If we signed Cunningham today I would guess that half our fans would be condemning him as a "Championship Player" who is unproven at this level almost regardless of how many games he had played at that level. 

It was a different world but young players got a chance because clubs were not carrying the bloated squads they do today, during the same season Albion used the grand total of 17 players throughout a season which saw us play over 50 games in league and cup a number which we have already exceeded this season to get through 3 fixtures. If Clarke is ever down to 17 Senior Pro's he will be saying that he is down to the bare bones and fretting about reinforcements during the January window. Actually the answer is play the kids because they will rise to the challenge and probably be as effective than some Senior Pro who has the hump because he is not playing in his favourite position.

Our attitude to young players as a club has to change if we are to progress.
 

Standaman I agree with you, it is a different game today. The point I am trying to make is that Anelka, Anchobie, Long and Vydra will be ahead of Berahino for the next 12 months if only because of the money we have paid for them (Rosenberg is a different story)
Training and sitting on the bench wont make him a better player-only playing games will. Dawson has done well out of a loan to Bolton and I still think that a 3 month minimum loan to a top end championship club will benefit all parties. Throwing him into a struggling first team wont help him.
Clarke wont play him after recruiting forwards the way he has this summer
When you say 'this makes me laugh' I presume you mean the way the game is in this era and in that respect I agree that the modern players are far too pampered and the poor dears cant play 30 games in a season let alone 50 !!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on September 10, 2013, 02:51:01 PM
Agree. A loan to the Championship with a recall option after 30 days would suit all parties i think.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 10, 2013, 04:52:37 PM
Standaman I agree with you, it is a different game today. The point I am trying to make is that Anelka, Anchobie, Long and Vydra will be ahead of Berahino for the next 12 months if only because of the money we have paid for them (Rosenberg is a different story)
Training and sitting on the bench wont make him a better player-only playing games will. Dawson has done well out of a loan to Bolton and I still think that a 3 month minimum loan to a top end championship club will benefit all parties. Throwing him into a struggling first team wont help him.
Clarke wont play him after recruiting forwards the way he has this summer
When you say 'this makes me laugh' I presume you mean the way the game is in this era and in that respect I agree that the modern players are far too pampered and the poor dears cant play 30 games in a season let alone 50 !!!!

Ultimately playing is obviously better for Berahino than not and logically a spell with a decent championship side is the most likely outcome. I find the comparison between era's laughable on two counts firstly the modern footballer is overly cosseted and secondly the approach to youth development where players are loaned out to a lower level until they are deemed ready for first team action does not seem to be delivering noticeably better young players.

If Regis was recruited today we would farm him out for a season in the Championship to see if made the grade bring him back as fourth choice striker and possibly give him the occasional twenty minute appearance as a sub. Back in the late seventies the raw Regis was given a chance and he was tearing up defences for two seasons before his 21st century equivalent would be granted a place on the bench.

I think it is a pity that he will be loaned out instead of being pushed into the first team squad. I would rectify this in January providing injuries permit by moving on the surplus strikers and bringing Berahino back into the fold.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 10, 2013, 04:57:43 PM
With the new signings then he is down the pecking order and I would rather in play in the Championship gain some more experience and hopefully get a few goals, then not at all, however training with someone like Anelka who has been a quality striker for a long time then Berahino would learn a lot from him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyfred on September 10, 2013, 05:16:41 PM
the kid should play , i have been following him for last 4 years, he is developing well , what does he have to do , he is the only player in the 1st team squad at the club who has scored a goal in proper matches this season including 2 international goals.
sometimes you have to take a chance and at the moment his confidence must be sky high and thats half the battle , put it this way he can't do any worse than the rest of the strikers in the  squad have done so far, and ok if it does not work straight off for him at least we won't be wondering  about him . then put him out on loan in january for rest of season and get him ready for another tilt next season, but i think he will surprise us all
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 10, 2013, 05:30:12 PM
the kid should play , i have been following him for last 4 years, he is developing well , what does he have to do , he is the only player in the 1st team squad at the club who has scored a goal in proper matches this season including 2 international goals.
sometimes you have to take a chance and at the moment his confidence must be sky high and thats half the battle , put it this way he can't do any worse than the rest of the strikers in the  squad have done so far, and ok if it does not work straight off for him at least we won't be wondering  about him . then put him out on loan in january for rest of season and get him ready for another tilt next season, but i think he will surprise us all

You can get arrested for that you know  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on September 10, 2013, 05:38:10 PM
As a friend of mine pointed out, also worth noting he is 20 now, not some 17 or 18 year wet behind the ears.

I think sometimes we dont give players a chance because of how young they are deemed to be, and they get labelled a bright kid, etc, its quite patronising as Saido is now 20, will of been a professional footballer for 3 x years so he has earnt his corn and deserves his chance, i think to give an insight he is 3 months younger than Lukaku! (I know Lukaku is special but its just to show that young players can be good players!)

He cant be the kid with potential forever, he has to be given the platform to develop that potential.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on September 10, 2013, 05:58:43 PM
I would love to see him given a chance - 1) because he is bang in form and deserves a chance and 2) its a great incentive for the academy players to show there is a path to the first team.

As somebody else said, we need goals and he scores goals, to be fair to our strikers we have created very little first 3 league games but Saido looks like he can create something from nothing, personally i would like him even if not handed a start, on the bench and not given 5-10 minutes, give him a good half hour. I would like him to spend a bit of time with the first team, get him some game time and call it from there, if he shows he can play this level regular then he stays in the team and doesnt become the fallguy, or if he isnt quite ready, loan him out to the championship til xmas.

Saido also will lift the fans like probably no other player in our squad, he is one of ours and than in itself gives him a massive boost with the supporters.

However.......

Although dont really want him to, I do feel he will be loaned out.

The strikers we have now Vdrya, Anelka, Anichebe you would think at least 2 will play each game with the other been on the bench, and then you have Long and Rosenberg who probably one of those will be on the bench too (although i think it will be Long and Rosenberg will be loaned out) I just think Saido will be seen as the easy one to loan out which does have some logic but personally would love to see him get a chance.

how can he be behind vdrya in the pecking order, they are approximately the same age and both scored in the lower reaches of the English game if there was a choice of who gets game time in the premiership it must be certain that the player who is sign and registered to us must be given that priority to develop
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on September 10, 2013, 06:45:03 PM
how can he be behind vdrya in the pecking order, they are approximately the same age and both scored in the lower reaches of the English game if there was a choice of who gets game time in the premiership it must be certain that the player who is sign and registered to us must be given that priority to develop

Bang on. The young man is doing more than showing promise, he is delivering.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2013, 06:47:18 PM
Yes we need to end any thought that a home produced youngster has to be behind players who have cost us money to bring in. Pick on form and what's being produced and nothing else.
Anyway Saido shouldn't be loaned out while we are still in the Capital One. He should start again in the next round against Arsenal.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 10, 2013, 07:41:30 PM
Yes we need to end any thought that a home produced youngster has to be behind players who have cost us money to bring in. Pick on form and what's being produced and nothing else.
Anyway Saido shouldn't be loaned out while we are still in the Capital One. He should start again in the next round against Arsenal.
That there is probably the best option.
SC will be aware that he is under a certain amount of pressure , most coaches then go for the "safe" option , not an untried (at prem level) player.
Play him In the cup match and if he shines , throw him on in the next maybe?
I think Clarke will look to experienced heads to get him out of trouble?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on September 10, 2013, 08:45:49 PM
I think Clarke will look to experienced heads to get him out of trouble?

He may as well, it's their abject performances that have got us where we are.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lordbaggie on September 11, 2013, 11:01:14 AM
Standaman I agree with you, it is a different game today. The point I am trying to make is that Anelka, Anchobie, Long and Vydra will be ahead of Berahino for the next 12 months if only because of the money we have paid for them (Rosenberg is a different story)
Training and sitting on the bench wont make him a better player-only playing games will. Dawson has done well out of a loan to Bolton and I still think that a 3 month minimum loan to a top end championship club will benefit all parties. Throwing him into a struggling first team wont help him.
Clarke wont play him after recruiting forwards the way he has this summer
When you say 'this makes me laugh' I presume you mean the way the game is in this era and in that respect I agree that the modern players are far too pampered and the poor dears cant play 30 games in a season let alone 50 !!!!

Yeah - he was sensational for Bolton. He's come back and is now 4th choice ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on September 11, 2013, 11:37:49 AM
I agree with you devonbaggiecjaj about why should he be behind Vdrya, but i think because we paid a supposed £1m fee for Vrdyas loan free, i would assume Clarke would be under certain pressure to play him to justify it.

I think thats the problem Saido has, because of players been signed and what they earn, cost, etc i think they will be ahead of him in the pecking order whatever their form is which isnt right.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 12, 2013, 10:27:50 AM
Loan move may benefit starlet Saido Berahino
12 Sep 2013 06:45 West Bromwich Albion: Steve Clarke talks about the future for Saido Berahino

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Steve Clarke has admitted he will have to play a cautious game with Saido Berahino.

The young Baggies striker has made a stunning impact this season, scoring a hat-trick in the Capital One Cup game against Newport before also netting two goals in as many England under-21 games during this international break.

But Clarke is mindful that the arrival of new faces – Stephane Sessegnon, Morgan Amalfitano and Victor Anichebe – during the transfer window means Berahino might be better served going out on loan.

Clarke said: “We have to be careful with Saido, he’s been out for seven months but he’s in a great place right now.

“My job is to manage him and make sure that in six months he’s still in a great place and can make contributions to whatever club he is at. Hopefully the medical staff and I can make the right decisions for Saido and he goes on to have a great career in the game – hopefully for West Bromwich Albion.

“The emergency window is open until December. I want to keep him around the squad, he deserves that for now as he’s been good for us.

“I want to keep him involved but if in five or six weeks’ time he has not had enough football then we’d have a decision to make.”




Would it not be better to loan out Anelka and keep our only goal scorer this season :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 12, 2013, 11:04:50 AM
Fair point from Clarke it is easy to forget that he has only just come back from a fairly serious knee injury and whether he is up to two games a week which is what playing Championship often means is debatable.  Although it falls on Clarke's shoulders to make sure he gets some meaningful football over the coming months. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tjmill on September 12, 2013, 12:27:37 PM
This kid looks the business. For the U21 side looked calm and lethal in front of goal and not someone we have had in our team at that young age for some time.
Hes the future of the club and I hope he gets game time rather than the likes of Amichibe and Vydra,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 12, 2013, 12:40:11 PM
It will be disappointing if he is sent out on loan again. What kind of message will that send out to him or any of the other kids at the club? You can see why Izzy Brown decided to go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 12, 2013, 12:50:56 PM
It will be disappointing if he is sent out on loan again. What kind of message will that send out to him or any of the other kids at the club? You can see why Izzy Brown decided to go.

How many loans had Izzy Brown had? None. Loaning players out to get them to improve would have had no bearing on his decision to leave the club for Chelsea. He thought he had made it by getting into our squad and then finally getting an appearance for the team. He got seduced by the club he actually supports, no doubt he is getting more money which his family/advisors would have wanted him to take and he's now even more likely to end up loaned to a club than he would have been had he remained with us.

Each youngster is different, some need time playing competitive football to develop before being ready for Premier League football. Berahino needs to play competitive games to improve, we have a decision to make as to whether a loan deal would be beneficial to him/us or whether we are willing to give him game time here. For me personally I think he should be loaned out to a decent enough Championship side until January and then re-evaluate, we can't afford to let his development stall by not giving him any game time. That was exactly what we tried to do last year when we loaned him to Peterborough but he picked up a knee injury.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 13, 2013, 10:55:00 AM
We have got the advantage now of him getting meaningful games with England u21's. That plus Capital One Cup would make it sensible to keep him for at least the next month (2 England u21 games in Oct and 2 in Nov by the looks).
As has been said, some training with the likes of Anelka and the new boys shouldn't do him any harm either - and who knows, he may get some Saturday game time....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 15, 2013, 08:44:40 AM
How did he look yesterday?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 15, 2013, 08:53:34 AM
How did he look yesterday?

In the short time he had on the pitch I thought he looked really lively, takes up some great positions & looks a real threat when he's got the ball, I know its early doors with the lad (& I'm not normally one to get carried away) but he could be a great player for us & I for one will be disappointed if he's loaned out this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 15, 2013, 09:13:18 AM
I thought Bearahino looked good when he came on. I think Steve Clarke is using him well giving him some game time towards the end of the game tiring defences and he has lots of pace and his full of confidence at the minute.  He won us the corner which lead to the goal, and I wouldn't at all send him out on loan as I think we have a real player here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on September 19, 2013, 09:51:02 AM
I'd rather us develop and give game to time Berahino rather than Vydra who will end up going back to Udinese at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 19, 2013, 07:52:06 PM
Albion boss Steve Clarke today told Championship suitors that Craig Dawson and Saido Berahino will not be leaving The Hawthorns just yet.

The Baggies head coach revealed second-tier clubs are queuing up to sign the pair on short-term deals.

But Clarke says both defender Dawson, who has attracted interest from Bolton and Middlesbrough, and striker Berahino – a Birmingham target – are part of his plans.

Clarke said: “Everybody in the Championship would take Craig Dawson and Saido Berahino.

“But they’re not going out because I like them and they’re in my plans. For the foreseeable future they’re not going out.

“That can change but, at the moment, there are no plans to let either out.

“We have been inundated with calls for both of them.”

Meanwhile, Clarke hopes striker Shane Long can make his comeback from a knee injury in Wednesday’s Capital One Cup tie at home to Arsenal.

The Ireland international has not figured since his proposed deadline-day move to Hull collapsed when the Tigers tried to renegotiate the deal.

But Clarke said the striker, who is still in talks over a new contract, has put the end of the transfer window behind him.

“There was nothing to resolve,” said Clarke.

“His response has been perfect in training. He’s a total professional and a really good guy.

“The injury is not very serious.

“He got a kick towards the end of the Ireland game and came off with 10 minutes to go and I said last week he would be doubtful for this week.

“He is still doubtful and I don’t think he will make it but, fingers crossed, he should be ready for the game at Old Trafford if not the midweek game in the Capital One Cup.

“I don’t do contracts but I know that Shane has spoken to Richard Garlick (sporting and technical director). Whether they spoke about contracts or something else I couldn’t tell you.”


http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2013/09/19/no-loans-for-albion-duo-saido-berahino-and-craig-dawson/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2013/09/19/no-loans-for-albion-duo-saido-berahino-and-craig-dawson/)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on September 26, 2013, 04:06:53 PM
Excellent again last night, hold up play was 100% better than Long and yet again proved he is a real goalscorer and a real threat.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Wbamitch on September 26, 2013, 04:40:29 PM
I thought he did ok last night, i could understand why he got took off but i still thought it was a little harsh. He rarely put a foot wrong and did try to create openings, also held his position well and tracked back effectively also. I got the impression that the occasion perhaps restricted him m expressing himself to his full potential. Delighted he got a goal which was probably the biggest positive to take from the night. He should have definately earned a chance to get more Premiership matchday experience with him being a good option on the bench. Probably better than Rosy and long at the moent.
Didnt go to the Newport game, did he play out wide then, just wondered for those who watch him more,  what is his best position?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 26, 2013, 09:28:25 PM
Fir a player with little first team experience he really has impressed me. He looks very calm and assured on the ball, is happy to take the simple option when needed and without doubt is a natural goal scorer. Not only is the lad a good finisher, his positioning looks to be instinctively good. I'm really glad he's getting game time this season as he deserves it and could turn out to be a very valuable commodity in the coming years. 4 goals in 2 starts is a superb effort, especially up against Mertesacker and Vermaelen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: CL3MO on September 26, 2013, 11:09:35 PM
Played reasonably well last night. Reminds me a bit of Defoe with his movement with the ball, as well as always looking to shoot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 28, 2013, 05:36:56 PM
How fantastic to have a young lad from our youth setup score 5 already this season and one is the winner at Old Trafford!?

Brilliant for us all.

Is his contract really up this summer? That MUST be put right as soon as possible before some buggers try to lure him away!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on September 28, 2013, 06:08:09 PM
What a player this kid is.   He just seems unfazed by the whole situation.


He is a definite starter now that Sinclair is out.


Give him a long term contract right now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 28, 2013, 06:09:15 PM
From player profile on wba.co.uk

SAIDO Berahino signed a new two-and-a-half year deal to keep him at The Hawthorns until June 2014, plus a further year's option in the club's favour, on January 10, 2012.

Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/team/player-profile/index.aspx?playerid=449744&tcmuri=41560#lwZbcY6tYp1zvOPB.99 (http://www.wba.co.uk/team/player-profile/index.aspx?playerid=449744&tcmuri=41560#lwZbcY6tYp1zvOPB.99)

So we have a years option on him still. No worries here. He deserves a rise though!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 28, 2013, 06:52:32 PM
Thanks for that SB. So we've got him tied up for 18months or so.

I still think he should be put on a 3+1 extension. 

Come the start of next season he could realistically be a starting striker for a top half prem club (us). As so he deserves a decent salary.

I expect Long and Berg to both be gone before the next season kicks off and I wouldn't be surprised to see Anelka leave also.

As so he'll have a great chance to establish himself. Also, his ability to play wide attack (was he wide attack left today, as he came on for Scott?) stands him in great stead.

Am very excited about him and Morgan creating and scoring chances for the lead striker and the hole player.

Boing Boing!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: georgespaniel on September 28, 2013, 06:57:23 PM
Watch and weep Izzy brown..it could have been you ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on September 28, 2013, 07:03:37 PM
This kid as the knack of finding space and then adding the finish, he really is an exciting prospect and it would be criminal if the Albion do not sort out a contract.
Talks are ongoing which is good news.
http://www.teamtalk.com/premier-league/8945699/Transfer-news-West-Brom-striker-Saido-Berahino-opens-talks-over-new-deal
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 28, 2013, 07:29:39 PM
What a fantastic prospect we have on our hands here. I thought he was great today, the goal he scored was fantastic and he also played well in other attacks that we had and did a good job at the other end too. Too have a number of attacking players out injured today and  for a young inexperienced player to play at Old Trafford and do so well, shows that we have a real talent here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: slugga1 on September 28, 2013, 07:42:11 PM
Very impressive, the kid has maturity beyond his years. Not only took his goal superbly but on numerous occasions in the last part of game he held possession well and made simple passes backwards rather than trying to over impress and attack. Fantastic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: woodta on September 28, 2013, 08:05:40 PM
This guy has so much potential its unreal! Its also great that that he has only come on in the last 12 months. Which means that he is tied into a professional contract and will cost a few bob for us to sell.

He really does have the potential to become an albion great. Only the right contract, the club moving forward and player commitment will make this happen.

well done saido it really does make me proud to see an albion youth coming through the ranks and smashing it with the top boys!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on September 28, 2013, 08:06:41 PM
7 goals in all competitions this season so far for the young man, and the last 2 against Arsenal and Man Utd in the space of 4 days. He must be on cloud nine right now. Hopefully shows the other young academy players you can make it here
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 28, 2013, 08:43:40 PM
What a classy little player Saido is, great attitude, great finisher and for me has stamped his place as a serious starting XI player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: John Rest on September 28, 2013, 09:48:23 PM
He moves so well.  This guy has the potential to be seriously class.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: woodta on September 28, 2013, 10:10:34 PM
Saido Berahino ?@SBerahino 10h
"Those who love money will never have enough. How meaningless to think that wealth brings true happiness!" Ecclesiastes5:10 #foodforthought

he seems to be level headed as well

Please stay like that Saido and you will go far
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on September 28, 2013, 10:20:36 PM
How does he makes those headers for such a small player! Incredible.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 28, 2013, 10:22:23 PM
That's 2 cracking finishes with his 'weaker left foot' this year. His movement and touch and ability to make something happen makes him a quality player now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 28, 2013, 11:29:41 PM
A real gem indeed.

(So happy he slipped past the kiddie nappers in Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea etc.)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 28, 2013, 11:38:53 PM
Saido Berahino ?@SBerahino 10h
"Those who love money will never have enough. How meaningless to think that wealth brings true happiness!" Ecclesiastes5:10 #foodforthought

he seems to be level headed as well

Please stay like that Saido and you will go far

Great to read a comment like from him, he comes from the same ilk of Lukaku, who could have very easily sat on Chelsea's bench last season and played the odd cup game here and there. I'm so delighted that he scored today playing some like Old Trafford clearly didn't faze him either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 28, 2013, 11:40:58 PM
Great to read a comment like from him, he comes from the same ilk of Lukaku, who could have very easily sat on Chelsea's bench last season and played the odd cup game here and there. I'm so delighted that he scored today playing some like Old Trafford clearly didn't faze him either.

Saido could have had a hattrick, never mind scoring the winner at OT as his first PL goal...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on September 29, 2013, 12:46:27 AM
going to be a legend
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on September 29, 2013, 01:29:37 AM
If this lad continues to work hard, I can see him playing for the senior England team one day.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: chipperclark on September 29, 2013, 02:35:31 AM
 :D Lukaku??? Who is he? We have our own......combination,looks like PO scores like  Lukaku!
We have a diamond in our own backyard.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on September 29, 2013, 08:12:03 AM
How does he makes those headers for such a small player! Incredible.

You don't have to be a giant to be able to head a ball, in fact some of the best headers of a ball such as our Jeff and players like Denis Law and even our Bomber were great headers of the ball and were generally only 6 foot tall or less!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: garry on September 29, 2013, 09:35:38 AM
I wonder, when Izzy Brown was watching Berahino on MOTD last night, he was thinking perhaps the move to Chelsea might have been a mistake.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 29, 2013, 09:38:00 AM
I would hope that performance has buried any talk of him going out on loan he has to be an integral part of the squad and he is ahead of several more established players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Brummie Road on September 29, 2013, 10:55:30 AM
I wonder, when Izzy Brown was watching Berahino on MOTD last night, he was thinking perhaps the move to Chelsea might have been a mistake.

Yep, from a football perspective, I'm still bemused as to why a 16 year old kid would want to leave a club who had given him playing time in the first team at Premiership level?

On the basis that the outstanding Lukaku isn't deemed good enough for the Chelsea first team, I'd suspect that Brown might struggle to catch the Special One's eye.

Back on the topic of Saido, well he fully deserves all the praise he's getting, and nice to see he appears to be a level headed lad.

Clearly though he's still very young and it's a massive step up to this level from where he was last season (not that he appears to be struggling!!) and I would imagine SC will manage him carefully, but if he continues with this form then it's a real unexpected bonus for everyone.

Also the Academy staff must be very pleased and I really hope, after the frustration of Brown's departure for relatively little financial compensation, that the club continues with it's investment into the Academy.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyfred on September 29, 2013, 01:01:23 PM
 i don't want to be smug and say i told you so but i am going to be, as i have said in previous posts in this forum, i have been watching this kid playing at various levels over the last 4 years and trust me , barring another injury that took him out for 6 months last year, he will join the ranks of the great "baggy" number 9's we have watched over the years, if he can get some reasonable game time under his belt this season, and I am hope SC will make sure of that, then watch him go next season, gentlemen I firmly believe we have a future England senior international player on our hands and my opinion is not just based on his performance this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionwarrior on September 29, 2013, 02:38:21 PM
I'm sure the Club will tie the lad up to a deal that good for all parties .... he's another one on fire at the moment.

 8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 29, 2013, 03:04:15 PM
I think SC deserves a lot of credit for having the balls to bring him on yesterday. SC has come in for a bit of criticism over recent months but he deserves praise for his inclusion of Saido this year. The thing that has struck me about Saido his how composed he is for a young kid. He plays with maturity beyond his years and while his finishing is looking to be deadly, he doesn't have a one track mind and is more than happy to pass the ball around rather than only having the Odemwingie type of directness that could be frustrating at times. I think that by the end of this season, if he stays injury free, he has the ability to be one of the first names on the teamsheet, and he really seems to have a genuine sense of gratitude to the club which is really nice to see.  As someone said earlier in the thread, I wouldn't be surprised to see him make his full England debut in the next few years, we ain't exactly flush with striking talent at international level, and this kid doesn't seem to be phased by pressure whatsoever. He just looks like he loves playing football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 29, 2013, 03:36:15 PM
a starter for the Arsenal match?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on September 29, 2013, 04:00:38 PM
a starter for the Arsenal match?

Got every chance especially if Sinclair is unfit. Although you would imagine Anelka would be busting a gut to play if he's fit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on September 29, 2013, 08:59:49 PM
Got every chance especially if Sinclair is unfit. Although you would imagine Anelka would be busting a gut to play if he's fit.

Start with Anelka and bring him on for the last 35 mins.  Anelka will tire them and then they will not cope with Berahino's pace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 29, 2013, 09:00:58 PM
think it could knock his confidence if he wasn't picked especially after the high he will be on after yesterday. think he deserves to start and see how he gets on, if he struggles then we can bring Anelka or Brunt on but he deserves his chance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 29, 2013, 09:44:16 PM
think it could knock his confidence if he wasn't picked especially after the high he will be on after yesterday. think he deserves to start and see how he gets on, if he struggles then we can bring Anelka or Brunt on but he deserves his chance.

Agree totally he has earnt his chance to start, I understand if Anelka is bought back in as he is the No.1 striker but its about playing for your place, injury and suspension can allow another player to come in stake his claim which Berahino has more than done

Id start him see whether his goalscoring form continues if it doesnt go as planned at least you have a player of Anelkas quality to bring on
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 29, 2013, 10:28:32 PM

Oh hell here we go  :(

West Bromwich Albion are working on a lucrative new deal for Saido Berahino after his winner against Manchester United at Old Trafford on Saturday.


However, the Barclays Premier League’s big guns are threatening to derail Steve Clarke’s efforts to secure the England Under 21 forward’s long-term future.

Berahino’s contract expires after this season, but talks to extend it are under way

The 20-year-old scored against Arsenal in the midweek Capital One Cup defeat by Arsenal before his heroics against United.

Both Everton and Arsenal are hovering, with Roberto Martinez instructing Everton chief scout Kevin Reeves to go to West Brom’s match against Arsenal this weekend.

Interest from the Gunners and Everton will hinder West Brom as they try to keep Berahino, who fled to England from war-torn Burundi at the age of 10 before joining Albion’s centre of excellence in 2004.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2437604/Arsenal-Everton-interested-West-Brom-striker-Saido-Berahino.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on September 29, 2013, 10:47:47 PM
I'm prepared to have my words shoved down my throat but...

I really think this lad has his head screwed on and has a sense of something greater than money and fame. His tweets say this, his demeanour says this and everything about him seems class. I think you can forget about the others- he will sign a deal for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 29, 2013, 10:56:14 PM
I'm prepared to have my words shoved down my throat but...

I really think this lad has his head screwed on and has a sense of something greater than money and fame. His tweets say this, his demeanour says this and everything about him seems class. I think you can forget about the others- he will sign a deal for us.

I believe so too, and I hope so. Saido will have a great career but he should stay with us for a season or three to grow into himself and into the league. After that he will have a decade with the big clubs (and I'm not talking Everton here).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 29, 2013, 10:57:42 PM
I think he will have gone within another 3-4 years, but only because I think he will have outgrown us.  I have no doubt that he will by then be an England star and will be with one of the "Big 6" clubs.  If he's anywhere near as good as we all know he will be, then he will go a lot further than we can take him.

In the meantime, lets see him blossom and make the most of it.  I'd hate to see him move to a big club now and waste it on the bench like Zaha and Brown are,  and like Sinclair did.  He needs game time to develop and we need to make sure that he gets it.  Anelka, Long and Rosenberg must not block his progress.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 29, 2013, 11:35:27 PM
Oh hell here we go  :(

West Bromwich Albion are working on a lucrative new deal for Saido Berahino after his winner against Manchester United at Old Trafford on Saturday.


However, the Barclays Premier League’s big guns are threatening to derail Steve Clarke’s efforts to secure the England Under 21 forward’s long-term future.

Berahino’s contract expires after this season, but talks to extend it are under way

Baggie79. Do you have any insight on the negotiations and particularly if Saido is happy to develop with us?

The 20-year-old scored against Arsenal in the midweek Capital One Cup defeat by Arsenal before his heroics against United.

Both Everton and Arsenal are hovering, with Roberto Martinez instructing Everton chief scout Kevin Reeves to go to West Brom’s match against Arsenal this weekend.

Interest from the Gunners and Everton will hinder West Brom as they try to keep Berahino, who fled to England from war-torn Burundi at the age of 10 before joining Albion’s centre of excellence in 2004.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2437604/Arsenal-Everton-interested-West-Brom-striker-Saido-Berahino.html

Baggie 79. Do you have any insight on how negotiations are progressing and particularly if Saido is happy to develop his game with us?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 30, 2013, 12:34:42 AM
I think in Berahino we have a lad who appreciates where he came from and where he is now. He has a good head on his shoulders but my worry is the head-turning that could come from the Under 21's, hopefully he will look at what he can do here and what would happen if he went to Arsenal where he would get the odd game in the Capital One cup and maybe get on the bench here and there but that's it, at Everton he may get some game time as Martinez does play youngsters more than some but would that be an improvement on what he can do here ? not for me. I'd expect us to tie him down to a new 3/4 year deal as we still have the 12 month option on him at the end of this year and then we see what happens after.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on September 30, 2013, 12:59:53 AM
I think in Berahino we have a lad who appreciates where he came from and where he is now. He has a good head on his shoulders but my worry is the head-turning that could come from the Under 21's, hopefully he will look at what he can do here and what would happen if he went to Arsenal where he would get the odd game in the Capital One cup and maybe get on the bench here and there but that's it, at Everton he may get some game time as Martinez does play youngsters more than some but would that be an improvement on what he can do here ? not for me. I'd expect us to tie him down to a new 3/4 year deal as we still have the 12 month option on him at the end of this year and then we see what happens after.

From what I've read/seen about him he seems level headed and also strongly attached to the community...  All good signs :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 30, 2013, 06:34:33 AM
gave a very mature interview to the Sky team.
Seems like a very well grounded youngster.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on September 30, 2013, 08:10:04 AM
I think in Berahino we have a lad who appreciates where he came from and where he is now. He has a good head on his shoulders but my worry is the head-turning that could come from the Under 21's, hopefully he will look at what he can do here and what would happen if he went to Arsenal where he would get the odd game in the Capital One cup and maybe get on the bench here and there but that's it, at Everton he may get some game time as Martinez does play youngsters more than some but would that be an improvement on what he can do here ? not for me. I'd expect us to tie him down to a new 3/4 year deal as we still have the 12 month option on him at the end of this year and then we see what happens after.

I would have no issues with him if he found his feet with us in the prem for the next 3-4 years and then moved onto a CL team to progress his career, that's how it should be done and not the Izzy way.

This is the time where he'll be learning a lot and playing PL football will help that and not in the backwaters of Chelsea.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbatillidie on September 30, 2013, 08:49:52 AM
Don't think it will be a case of either him or Anelka to play against Arsenal considering he came on to replace Sinclair out-wide. Anichebe was playing with an injury so maybe we will see Berahino and Anelka starting instead of Anichebe.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionwarrior on September 30, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Could just be lazy journalism ... or mischief making?

Looks to me like we have the option to keep him, he appears to be in the position to deserve a new contract ... No reason why the club don't give him one ....

He seems like a really decent lad and if things progress well will obviously move to e bigger club and the fee will reflect both his development, ability and effort the club has put into him over the years .... Seems fair all round doesn't it?

If he is motivated totally be money and perceived status there is probably nothing we can really do about it ..... but lets hope that he is what he appears to be and I've seen nothing that would appear to suggest anything other than that.

 ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on September 30, 2013, 11:04:39 AM
Not surprising if its true.. Chelski did it with Izzy Brown.
Hopefully we wont be slow in addressing the issue of and extended contract...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionwarrior on September 30, 2013, 11:39:39 AM
Think Izxzy Brown hadn't signed a contract had he? and Chelsea nipped in a paid the required £250K and off he went.  Seems a crazy rule but it's okay in the Big Boys books because nobody will play in the So called "Big 4's" youth teams and then be poached away by a contract offer from West Brom.  If we are taking Chelsea through the legal channels for more money that certainly gets my vote, not only for us but for every other middle/lower ranking PL club.

As I said before the club are in a different position with Saido and more importantly he seems, from what i've seen, to be a top young man with dare I say it integrity and loyalty in his characteristics.

 :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 30, 2013, 12:39:47 PM
He's 20 years old and on a professional contract. There's no chance any team can whip him away. His contract does indeed end this summer, but we have a +1 clause which we will obviously take up.

Even if he was out of contract he couldn't leave on a Bosman as he is under 21.

The Izzy fee hasn't been settled yet btw. It's a different issue, but his fee isn't limited to £209k as he signed pre contract papers prior to it all kciking off. But as he is under 17 he couldn't sign a "contract" so to speak.

Saido has a strong moral core it would seem. I'd be extreamly surprised if he pulls a fast one. Albion will give him a heafty wage hike and sign him on a 3+2 or something like that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 30, 2013, 04:09:06 PM
Think Izxzy Brown hadn't signed a contract had he? and Chelsea nipped in a paid the required £250K and off he went.  Seems a crazy rule but it's okay in the Big Boys books because nobody will play in the So called "Big 4's" youth teams and then be poached away by a contract offer from West Brom.  If we are taking Chelsea through the legal channels for more money that certainly gets my vote, not only for us but for every other middle/lower ranking PL club.

As I said before the club are in a different position with Saido and more importantly he seems, from what i've seen, to be a top young man with dare I say it integrity and loyalty in his characteristics.

 :D

Izzy Couldn't sign a contact (not professionally anyway) before Chelsea took him away. as he was too young for a pro contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on September 30, 2013, 09:25:51 PM
not that I know this for sure..... but ;)

Wasn't Izzy a Chelsea fan to start with... and Saido a Baggie.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 30, 2013, 10:30:38 PM
not that I know this for sure..... but ;)

Wasn't Izzy a Chelsea fan to start with... and Saido a Baggie.

Izzy was/is a Chelsea fan, which in part $wayed him.

Saido isn't really a fan of any club as far as I'm aware. Not coming to the UK till 10 I guess he wasn't brought up following anyone. BUt he's commented often enough about Albion treating him right and it feeling like home.

Id be shocked if this wasn't sorted in our favour in the next month or so.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on September 30, 2013, 10:33:19 PM
Izzy was/is a Chelsea fan, which in part $wayed him.

Saido isn't really a fan of any club as far as I'm aware. Not coming to the UK till 10 I guess he wasn't brought up following anyone. BUt he's commented often enough about Albion treating him right and it feeling like home.

Id be shocked if this wasn't sorted in our favour in the next month or so.


Hope its sooner than that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: breakfastbaggie on October 01, 2013, 12:59:54 AM
Izzy was/is a Chelsea fan, which in part $wayed him.

Saido isn't really a fan of any club as far as I'm aware. Not coming to the UK till 10 I guess he wasn't brought up following anyone. BUt he's commented often enough about Albion treating him right and it feeling like home.

Id be shocked if this wasn't sorted in our favour in the next month or so.

All Saido has ever known is the baggies.  This is home and he will likely sign a new deal for the next 3 to 4 years. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on October 01, 2013, 07:28:25 AM
It has probably been said before but it annoys me how commentators pronounce his name 'Bereenyo' (think Ronaldinho) instead of Berahino. He's not sodding Brazilian!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on October 01, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
I know. Its still early days I've seen his progress in the last two years. Very level headed lad well done to his mom and baggies backroom staff. Remember that Roy knows him and with work cup coming up?as a surprise pick like wallcott.regarding big Vic my mate is an everton fan up in lpool and he said that Vic was highly respected and didn't wat him to go.saido will sign and I think he could become a legend for us like Laurie.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on October 01, 2013, 02:15:57 PM
Arsenal and Everton already mentioned with being interested in signing him today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on October 01, 2013, 07:20:49 PM
IF he left, part of that would be our own fault. If we couldn't see what we had and what we were in a poll position to sign... then others have the option to try and get him in. 850 quid a week.... They must have known before these games he was a goer and even signed him for 3-4 seasons at a few thousand quid... why let it run to this situation. IF we lose him and if it is for 300k compensation... We can't blame the other clubs for taking advantage of a situation we created.

On the plus side... I think we will sign and pretty quickly, but it does frustrate me that we are in this position.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wolly wombat on October 01, 2013, 08:24:23 PM
Come on now, the reports linking Everton and Arsenal were in the 'Daily Mail'. I always check to see if they have managed to get the date right when I read that load of garbage.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on October 01, 2013, 10:34:50 PM
IF he left, part of that would be our own fault. If we couldn't see what we had and what we were in a poll position to sign... then others have the option to try and get him in. 850 quid a week.... They must have known before these games he was a goer and even signed him for 3-4 seasons at a few thousand quid... why let it run to this situation. IF we lose him and if it is for 300k compensation... We can't blame the other clubs for taking advantage of a situation we created.

On the plus side... I think we will sign and pretty quickly, but it does frustrate me that we are in this position.

it's funny isn't it....

I bet people would be slamming the club if it was found out we were paying a 20 yo Academy player "a few thousand quid a week" just three weeks ago...

and has anyone actually check to see if he doesn't get increased wages depending on which level he plays? (youth player are known to get bonuses for appearances)


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 01, 2013, 11:59:37 PM
Strange comments..  This is how it works... academy player has a couple of decent senior games. Press reports interest from other clubs... said player signs new deal with current club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on October 03, 2013, 09:28:31 AM
it's funny isn't it....

I bet people would be slamming the club if it was found out we were paying a 20 yo Academy player "a few thousand quid a week" just three weeks ago...

and has anyone actually check to see if he doesn't get increased wages depending on which level he plays? (youth player are known to get bonuses for appearances)

Dead right. Maybe we should give all of our academy prospects and younger players a big fat long contract now just in case they make it.

I'm sure the club will do the right thing. Must admit im pleasantly surprised with how Berahino has done. Would be great to have a player come through the ranks and make it at premiership level. Lets hope he does show us some loyalty as well. Could really be a catalyst in getting a good atmosphere back at the Hawthorns
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 03, 2013, 09:30:50 AM
If England qualify for Brazil does anyone think he coud make the squad if he scored 15 goals say
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 03, 2013, 12:28:18 PM
If England qualify for Brazil does anyone think he coud make the squad if he scored 15 goals say

If he gets 15 league goals and 1 or 2 more established lads have injuries, then yes.

But thats a fair few Ifs.... He isn't even a regular bench guy for us as yet. Lets not put too much on him and lets get him to sign a new bloody contract!  :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on October 03, 2013, 01:16:04 PM
He is a good prospect full stop.
Lets not put to much of a load on his young shoulders, give the lad time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Gaffer on October 03, 2013, 01:24:05 PM
He's a class act he ia a natural goalscorer it is clear to see that even at this stage. He and Amalfitano have come along just when we NEEDED them DESPERATELY!!

Amalfitano reminds me of Beckham at his peak (slight differences but similar in oh so many ways) and Berahinho reminds me of a young Michael Owen.

Take these pair away and we are relegated, keep these pair fit and in form and we are fine and dandy. That is how big and important these two players are to the Albion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on October 03, 2013, 02:31:29 PM
Ridiculous thing to say. Whilst they both look good players, its still very early days and we have plenty of other good players as well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 03, 2013, 02:48:14 PM
He's a class act he ia a natural goalscorer it is clear to see that even at this stage. He and Amalfitano have come along just when we NEEDED them DESPERATELY!!

I'd say it Amalfitano and Sessegnon we needed desperately rather than Berahino.

Let's not over hype the lad or put any necessary pressure or expectation on him. Let us just allow him to continue what he's been doing recently.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 03, 2013, 04:36:19 PM
He's got plenty of developing left to do yet, he's had a promising start and he's riding the crest of a wave so far this season but lets not get ahead of ourselves here with talk of 15 goals and World Cup squads.

He seems a pretty grounded young man and certainly deserves a new deal to reward him for his progress so far.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 05, 2013, 01:22:25 PM
Of all our kids this is the big one for me, his record at age group levels is phenomenal, I think he'll score for fun in the lower leagues.

Bump  8)

Keep it up Saido you'll be an absolute star if you keep your feet on the ground.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on October 05, 2013, 01:25:49 PM
Reading his latest interview its very encouraging a player with humility but also a realism of his ambitions . We need more players who have the drive to play for a top 5 club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 05, 2013, 01:32:28 PM
Bump  8)

Keep it up Saido you'll be an absolute star if you keep your feet on the ground.

"I think he'll score for fun in the lower leagues" very intuitive!  ::) 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on October 05, 2013, 04:18:37 PM
Who said the academy was pointless and a waste of money  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 05, 2013, 08:23:06 PM
Who said the academy was pointless and a waste of money  ;D

We just need to hide the lads till they've signed pro contracts! Talking of which, I'd be happy to hear Saido has signed a new one soon
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Reddiebaggie on October 06, 2013, 11:53:27 AM
Romelu lukaku's situation is the prime reason why any young striker should not look at Chelsea to further their career, Saido is at least a year behind Rom if not more so why would you go there if not for the money which he has stated on Twitter is of very little importance to him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on October 06, 2013, 12:27:38 PM
http://footylatest.com/chelsea-set-their-sights-on-5-million-west-brom-sensation/49988

Quote
Chelsea set their sights on £5 million West Brom sensation

Chelsea are reportedly making plans of pillaging the Hawthorns this winter. According to reports in The Metro, the Blues have become interested in acquiring the services of West Brom forward Saido Berahino and may make a move for him when the transfer window reopens in January.

The 20 year old has proven to be a revelation for the Baggies this season, going on to score five goals in six appearances for the club. Berahino has emerged as one of the brightest young talents on the English circuit recently and has consequently attracted the attention of a number of clubs.

It is believed that West Brom are keen on prolonging the youngster’s stay at the Hawthorns by offering him a new contract soon. However, Chelsea would be looking to test the Baggies’ resolve by offering around £5 million for Berahino, with additional offers of boosting his £850-a –week wages significantly.

The former Burundi refugee has already made it clear that he would immediately grab a chance to represent England in next year’s World Cup, should he receive a call up for the first team. That being said, a move to Chelsea would greatly enhance his prospect of playing for the Three Lions with the Blues capable of providing him with crucial big-stage experience.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 06, 2013, 12:40:55 PM
New topic created in the Transfer Forum for rumours on Saido, this one we'll try to keep for general discussion

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=12311.msg261601#new
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on October 06, 2013, 12:41:11 PM
Absolute rubbish.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2013, 12:42:39 PM
Chelsea can't even find a place in the squad for Lukaku, no chance they're going to be after Berahino (for that amount of money anyway) surely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on October 06, 2013, 01:51:43 PM
Absolute rubbish.

My thoughts exactly. How the writer of the article can deduce that Berahino has a better chance of being called up for the World Cup with Chelsea is beyond me. I wonder how much Saido's agent has had to do with this "story"?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on October 06, 2013, 01:59:48 PM
My thoughts exactly. How the writer of the article can deduce that Berahino has a better chance of being called up for the World Cup with Chelsea is beyond me. I wonder how much Saido's agent has had to do with this "story"?
I doubt its even his agent just the complete idiots at metro wanting to put a story together!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 06, 2013, 02:12:06 PM
I doubt its even his agent just the complete idiots at metro wanting to put a story together!
Then why not use Everton or Arsenal? teams actually linked to him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie Boy on October 06, 2013, 02:15:40 PM
Then why not use Everton or Arsenal? teams actually linked to him?

Because with Chelsea you get the stigma of Izzy Brown and Clarkes links to Chelsea. Its just poor journalism trying to sensationalise nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 06, 2013, 02:59:31 PM
His agents are Key Sports Management who are also the agents for amongst others Theo Walcott, Jordan Henderson and  Phil Jones. All of whom suffered from getting a "big" move a little bit too early in their careers and then failing to deliver up to the well orchestrated media hype surrounding them.  Closer to home they are the agents for James Morrison ,Chris Brunt and now ex- Baggie Izzy Brown. I sincerely hope Sadio has other sources of advice and the lad himself seems to be well grounded but I do fear the worse even if we do persuade him to sign a new contract. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on October 06, 2013, 03:31:19 PM
Yes Key Sports Management do like to get young players a move to the big clubs early on in their careers.
 
Its worrying but lets hope, for a change, that common sense prevails and he signs a new contract with us and does well and consistently scores goals and then gets the move away that he deserves with all of our blessings.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 06, 2013, 03:48:14 PM


"I think he'll score for fun in the lower leagues" very intuitive!  ::)

Was prior to his first loan... Not a prediction of his career as a whole. Context is key my friend.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on October 06, 2013, 06:57:12 PM
Seem to remember Thorne swiftly getting an improved deal after a couple of 1st team performances - maybe we've been a bit slow with Saido if he's still on £850 / week.
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: section5 on October 06, 2013, 10:06:49 PM
very good performance from saido today, looks to have took to the premier league really well hopefully we can keep his feet on the ground and not let money grabbing agents turn his head, futures looking bright boingboing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 07, 2013, 12:36:53 AM

Was prior to his first loan... Not a prediction of his career as a whole. Context is key my friend.

You gave yourself a big slap on the back for predicting Saido would score goals in "the lower leagues" not the Premier, context has a lot to answer for mukka
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 07, 2013, 05:56:21 AM
Seem to remember Thorne swiftly getting an improved deal after a couple of 1st team performances - maybe we've been a bit slow with Saido if he's still on £850 / week.

After the last few weeks it is easy to forget that at the start of the season particularly after the deadline day signings Berhahino was a long way down the pecking order. There was probably more chance of him being loaned out rather than breaking through into the first team in that context with two years left to run on his current deal there was no pressing need to throw money at a player whose chances of making it at Premier League level were no better than 50:50.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 07, 2013, 06:18:59 AM
Listening to Clarkes pre match interview yesterday he was les than impressed by Berahino's agent and more or less said so.
I'm sure the club are well aware of what they need to do here and will act accordingly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on October 07, 2013, 11:06:42 AM
How much do you think he should be on a week? I'm hearing Man U are going to offer that Januzaj 50k after one good game, crazy!!

I'd say Berahino's now is first team player, maybe not starting 11 although if he carries on he soon will be. Thinking on what first team players are on for example I'd say 20-25k is fair enough considering he's only on £850 a week! He must be in dreamland
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 07, 2013, 11:11:40 AM
10k per week maybe. Rising towards 20k depending on appearances and goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 07, 2013, 12:53:19 PM
He COULD be really good for us , on the other hand remember Neil Mellor, Rob Hulse, Micheal Rickets etc etc , they were all going to be the next...
If anyone came anywhere near 6m now id rip their arm off , yes he scored a goal against Man Utd, but so did Kenny miller ?.
id love him to stay and develop but if he has his head swayed then lets get a decent price.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 07, 2013, 12:59:15 PM
I'd put him on a performance related deal, with basic wages rising in stages over time, while appearance and goal bonuses rise with volume. Give him something to shoot for.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 07, 2013, 03:49:52 PM
Improved wages in line with lower end first team squad members, goal and app bonus and same "staying up" bonus as the others. The "staying up" bonus should be a given this year and very sizeable. That and a contract review after one or two seasons and he'd be mad to leave a club that is turning him into a star of the future.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 07, 2013, 04:08:11 PM
It is difficult balance to strike. Plainly we need to offer him enough so he is happy to commit to a three or four year deal but not so much as we end up stuck with an expensive player who has not developed as we would all hope. If he does fill his undoubted potential we all know that longer term we might struggle to hold onto him but it is absolutely critical when that time comes the club is in a strong contractual position. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies54 on October 07, 2013, 04:28:28 PM
Everyone seems keen on Saido and agree that we need to hang on to him, most are saying he is not the finished article but where do you think he needs to improve to make strides to becoming said finished article?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 07, 2013, 04:38:01 PM
Everyone seems keen on Saido and agree that we need to hang on to him, most are saying he is not the finished article but where do you think he needs to improve to make strides to becoming said finished article?

For me it's more a question of experience rather than needing to improve on anything per se. With more experience he will become a more rounded player. Hopefully he'll learn different things from each of our strikers.

He's a very exciting prospect and I'm glad he's ours.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 07, 2013, 05:38:33 PM
Everyone seems keen on Saido and agree that we need to hang on to him, most are saying he is not the finished article but where do you think he needs to improve to make strides to becoming said finished article?

There is a lot to happen in the next few years in terms of his development much of it mental as much as physical.  I hate to make comparisons with Luke Moore but at the age of 20 he looked like a real prospect but he failed to train on, often I witnessed flashes of ability when he was with us but his overall game pretty much crumbled to mediocrity by the time he left.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on October 07, 2013, 06:35:51 PM
It is difficult balance to strike. Plainly we need to offer him enough so he is happy to commit to a three or four year deal but not so much as we end up stuck with an expensive player who has not developed as we would all hope. If he does fill his undoubted potential we all know that longer term we might struggle to hold onto him but it is absolutely critical when that time comes the club is in a strong contractual position.
Tricky indeed. As we know agents have heavy influence unfortunately. Would be nice to offer say 10k then increments year by year performance related....BUT...Think we have to offer enough to avoid the agent saying 'I can get you twice that somewhere else'. Anything up to 30k I would think...he doesn't seem the type to get complacent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 07, 2013, 07:31:38 PM
Listening to Clarkes pre match interview yesterday he was les than impressed by Berahino's agent and more or less said so.
I'm sure the club are well aware of what they need to do here and will act accordingly.

Agreed!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 07, 2013, 08:13:47 PM
He COULD be really good for us , on the other hand remember Neil Mellor, Rob Hulse, Micheal Rickets etc etc , they were all going to be the next...
If anyone came anywhere near 6m now id rip their arm off , yes he scored a goal against Man Utd, but so did Kenny miller ?.
id love him to stay and develop but if he has his head swayed then lets get a decent price.

and do what with it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 07, 2013, 08:17:48 PM
and do what with it?

Take him to the hospital I would hope.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on October 07, 2013, 09:13:07 PM
After the last few weeks it is easy to forget that at the start of the season particularly after the deadline day signings Berhahino was a long way down the pecking order. There was probably more chance of him being loaned out rather than breaking through into the first team in that context with two years left to run on his current deal there was no pressing need to throw money at a player whose chances of making it at Premier League level were no better than 50:50.
See the point but he's been highly regarded at the club and on the England under 21 radar for a while now - I remember Trevor Brooking mentioning Thorne and Saido in despatches at some stage last season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on October 08, 2013, 11:34:08 PM
I'd take 6 million and lukaku for saide fare price me thinks
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 08, 2013, 11:42:42 PM
I'd take 6 million and lukaku for saide fare price me thinks
That is a total of £24 Million... that's maybe a tad over the top.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Philly88 on October 09, 2013, 07:01:30 AM
That is a total of £24 Million... that's maybe a tad over the top.

Yeah but they can pay for Izzy Brown while they're at it... With interest
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbatillidie on October 10, 2013, 08:44:33 PM
I'd take 6 million and lukaku for saide fare price me thinks

You can't seriously think that's a fair price?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on October 10, 2013, 09:31:50 PM
Didnt play tonight for the U21s...mixed blessings really...dont want his profile raised too much mire but in the other hand goals would have given even more confidence...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on October 10, 2013, 09:34:53 PM
Didnt play tonight for the U21s...mixed blessings really...dont want his profile raised too much mire but in the other hand goals would have given even more confidence...

I don't think so, San Marino were just woeful no match at all so I agree with the first part that it's a good thing Saido was rested and didn't take part in this turkey shoot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 11, 2013, 04:25:29 PM
Now Arsenal are interested according to the Independent I wish his agent would give it a rest

West Bromwich Albion striker Saido Berahino is reportedly a target for Arsene Wenger after his good start to the season with both his club and England Under-21s.
 

Arsenal have recovered from the opening day defeat to Aston Villa to sit top of the Premier League table, having gone on an eleven-match unbeaten streak in all competitions. However, striker Olivier Giroud has started 10 of those, and the Gunners look dangerously thin in attack should anything happen to the Frenchman.

Having seen Berahino score against his side in the Capital One Cup third round, in which Arsenal triumphed via a penalty shootout, Wenger has added Berahino to a list of January transfer targets that he could make a move for to strengthen their title assault.

Berahino was playing among the Baggies’ reserves come the start of the season, although he was given a chance to impress by manager Steve Clarke having scored twice in three under-21 games.

He wasted no time in announcing his arrival in the first team, netting a hat-trick on his debut against Newport County in the second round. He then went on to score the winner against Premier League champions Manchester United at Old Trafford to give West Brom their first win at the Theatre of Dreams since 1978.

Clarke is hopeful that Berahino will sign a new contract with the club, which will be a significant increase on his current £850-a-week basic salary, although West Brom are looking to tie-up the deal sooner rather than later with his current contract set to expire in the summer.

However, the board are prepared to reward Berahino for what they see is a deserving offer for his good form, and they will attempt to fend off potential suitors, including Arsenal, from taking him at the end of the season by paying a minimal compensation fee due to his young age.

Clarke gave the Burundi-born Berahino his league debut in the 1-1 draw with the Gunners last weekend, and he looks set for a long run in the Baggies first team which will go a long way to swaying his decision to remain at the club.

"He's under contract with West Brom until the end of next season, so we've got plenty of time to sort out Saido's future," said Clarke.

"He's a sensible boy. He understands that all the rewards and riches come with hard work and he has to just concentrate on his football and let other people worry about his contract situation and whatever.

"Saido has got a big future in the game and all he can do now is work hard and make sure he is still a top player in ten years' time."

Clarke will still be wary though having already suffered frustration in his bid to keep another home-grown Albion player, after Chelsea signed highly-rated midfielder Isaiah Brown in the summer – although the deal is due to go before a tribunal.



http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/transfer-news-west-brom-striker-saido-berahino-attracting-interest-from-arsenal-manager-arsene-wenger-8874635.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 11, 2013, 05:12:03 PM
He seems like he is well grounded and I get the feeling he wouldn't have his head turned by a move to a big club. Perhaps Scott Sinclair could advise of the folly of a move to a big club?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Reddiebaggie on October 11, 2013, 07:16:14 PM
He is contracted until the end of next season, unless Arsenal offer silly money he can stay at the Baggies until then on £850pw unless he signs a new contract. What have we got to lose.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sportygirlwba on October 11, 2013, 09:24:21 PM
So far this season and for the England under 21's Saido Berahino has been playing amazing!

He has scored like 5 goals in 6 games and been very creative and has been very productive in the United, Arsenal and Sunderland matches.

Many clubs will be interested in Berahaino so therefore Albion need to sign him on a longer contract so if a club does bid it will have to be a large sum of money to gem him to leave.

Heard Arsenal are already interested????!!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lordbaggie on October 11, 2013, 10:57:59 PM
FFS  can you guys not see what's in front of you? Or I'd this a lack of historical perspective? IMHO this guy has the potential to be bigger than PO and he reminds me a lot of Laurie hesitate to say so because of the pressure. But comparisons with Luke pooh do me  a favour !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 12, 2013, 12:13:08 AM
FFS  can you guys not see what's in front of you? Or I'd this a lack of historical perspective? IMHO this guy has the potential to be bigger than PO and he reminds me a lot of Laurie hesitate to say so because of the pressure. But comparisons with Luke pooh do me  a favour !

Okay if you don't like the comparison with Luke Moore  how about Nugent, Darbyshire, Lita and Vaughn who were the forwards that England under 21's took to the 2007 European Championship who at that stage of their careers were attracting rave reviews but have hardly set the world alight since for whatever reason.

 The point being is all we have seen from Sadio is a few good games it has not been sustained for a season let alone two. I do not doubt he has potential but the worse thing to do with a young player is over-hype them and mentioning him in the same breath as Cunningham and Odemwingie is certainly that. Lets see how he does over the next couple of years if he continues to develop then maybe those sort of comparisons become legitimate. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lordbaggie on October 12, 2013, 11:48:22 AM
Okay if you don't like the comparison with Luke Moore  how about Nugent, Darbyshire, Lita and Vaughn who were the forwards that England under 21's took to the 2007 European Championship who at that stage of their careers were attracting rave reviews but have hardly set the world alight since for whatever reason.

 The point being is all we have seen from Sadio is a few good games it has not been sustained for a season let alone two. I do not doubt he has potential but the worse thing to do with a young player is over-hype them and mentioning him in the same breath as Cunningham and Odemwingie is certainly that. Lets see how he does over the next couple of years if he continues to develop then maybe those sort of comparisons become legitimate.
Well I'll trust my own eyes and judgement. I knew the quality of PO inside 90 minutes. Laurie inside 20. If I'd waited 2 years he'd already have been in a plane to Madrid! This boy has the right mental makeup
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Gaffer on October 12, 2013, 12:11:40 PM
Saido is a class act you can see it a mile off, he will be a top, top, striker.

Comparisons with Cunningham are stupid though, different types of player completely. Cunningham much more skillful and explosive, Berahinho much more of a finisher. Berahino WILL be a star at an elite club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lordbaggie on October 12, 2013, 12:16:19 PM
Saido is a class act you can see it a mile off, he will be a top, top, striker.

Comparisons with Cunningham are stupid though, different types of player completely. Cunningham much more skillful and explosive, Berahinho much more of a finisher. Berahino WILL be a star at an elite club.


Both have played as striker and winger. Both lean and quick. There are differences of course but comparisons are hardly "stupid "
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Gaffer on October 12, 2013, 12:22:41 PM

Both have played as striker and winger. Both lean and quick. There are differences of course but comparisons are hardly "stupid "


If you look at Laurie's goalscoring record it is nothing compared to what Saido's will be. Saido is like a young Michael Owen his technique and sharpness in front of goal is exceptional. He won't dribble past players or look "brilliant" like Cunningham did but he has the end product, it's not manufactured it's natural.

"stupid" may be slightly strong but I don't think comparisons are fair.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on October 13, 2013, 09:33:09 AM
Some of the comments on here are absolutely stupid. Im as excited about him as most Albion fans but he's done very little at the moment and still has a lot to prove to even keep in the squad when all of our players are fully fit.

Luckily he seems more level headed than a few of our fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on October 14, 2013, 08:25:53 AM
You can tell there is no Premier League football being played at the moment cant you.  ::)

Supposed journalists/bloggers/hacks have nothing actually to write about so just keep rehashing, with minor variations, the same thing as all the others.

Nothing written so far has any more true in it than that "he is a talent" and the "Big" clubs like to over fill their rosters with "talents"

So yes, they may like what they see but actually it is doubtful they will even try.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on October 14, 2013, 08:55:03 AM
I like the lad and think he will do very well for himself but the hype over players on the back of one or two good performances is ridiculous: Saido, Townsend, Januzaj have all had stories about how they are deserving of huge pay hikes. No wonder there's players on silly wages in this league. Townsend is on 10k and had a very good England debut but suggestions he would quadruple his wages as a result is appalling. I fear that a few younger players could have their heads turned by clubs with money who won't play them because they believe their own hype.

I like Saido and I know he talks about how little money etc mean to him and I hope that lasts. He deserves more than £850 a week though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ranj on October 14, 2013, 09:31:07 AM
Townsend has been performing all season for spurs and had a pretty good run with QPR last year, at the moment he is keeping out Lamela who they paid £30 mil for, I very much doubt they would increase his wage based solely on an England performance and to quadruple his wage would still have him on less than most players that are starting for a team challenging for the title. Saido`s contract is up in the summer although we have one year extension at the clubs discretion, with the likes of Arsenal circling I think its a good idea we sign him up on a longer term contract as soon as possible, is it not the same as us wanting to sign up Amalfitano on a permanent after his brief showings for the Baggies? As for Januzaj i`m sure Moyes would not want to lose the best talent to come out of Utds academy for a long while especially with him not been able to sign anyone of note and players unsure of Utd`s credentials after Fergie.

I don`t think these decisions are based just on one or two performances but training, bedding with the team and how they conduct themselves etc.

As far as Saido goes there are a few baggies players who are applauding the change in his attitude and his new found desire to fulfill his potential as mentioned he deserves more than £850 and because it coincides with the ending of his current contract i`m sure he will get atleast 10x more.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on October 14, 2013, 12:27:02 PM
I think a lot of Baggies fans, and most sensible fans of other clubs, know a future star when they see one! All my mates support other teams but they're all raving about Saido. It'd be criminal to let him go now, he WILL be a sensational player for years to come. Just a thought on the concern of most ordinary Albion supporters....note the colossal amount of 'views' on any threads about Saido. A lot of us are worried!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on October 14, 2013, 02:05:26 PM
Its probably fairly safe to say that, baring injury, Lukaku will be a "sensational player" for years to come. Far to early to say anything like that about Berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on October 14, 2013, 02:29:16 PM
Its probably fairly safe to say that, baring injury, Lukaku will be a "sensational player" for years to come. Far to early to say anything like that about Berahino

Cracking point. Althoguh Saido looks ok, he will never be the 'world class' player some are making out.

Could be an excellent player for us, but Saido has a lot to do to live up to somebody such as Jermain Defoe, let alone Michael Owen & other greats of the modern game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies54 on October 14, 2013, 02:48:53 PM
I always thought that Saido would have been better employed staying at West Brom rather than going on loan to Peterborough, training and working with the first team squad at baggies would have perhaps toughened him up a bit.( he might even have had a couple of games at back end).

He looks an exciting prospect but he is a little bit light on the ball and gets it taken off him a tad too easy, his percentage of completed passes needs to be stepped up a bit (imho).

It is nice to have a decent player coming from the academy, both he and Izzy and who knows which one will come through next, Adil Nabi and Kemar Roofe seem to play with some consistancy....futures bright in blue and white stripes (or is that white and blue).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 14, 2013, 03:55:19 PM
Cracking point. Althoguh Saido looks ok, he will never be the 'world class' player some are making out.

Could be an excellent player for us, but Saido has a lot to do to live up to somebody such as Jermain Defoe, let alone Michael Owen & other greats of the modern game.

Never be world class? How do you know?

Modern day great Michael Owen? Not high on my list- maybe had he not been injured all the time he would have been but I doubt when asked for a great of the modern game Owen would fly from their lips.

Back to Saido, he has the potential to be great, lets see if he can fulfil that (at least in part) with the Albion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on October 14, 2013, 04:56:05 PM
Never be world class? How do you know?

Modern day great Michael Owen? Not high on my list- maybe had he not been injured all the time he would have been but I doubt when asked for a great of the modern game Owen would fly from their lips.

Back to Saido, he has the potential to be great, lets see if he can fulfil that (at least in part) with the Albion.

Not going to get into much of a debate regarding this, but at 18 Michael Owen was the hottest property in the world.

World Cup 98 for example. Berahino has a lot to do to get to this stage.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 14, 2013, 10:23:40 PM
Cracking point. Althoguh Saido looks ok, he will never be the 'world class' player some are making out.

Could be an excellent player for us, but Saido has a lot to do to live up to somebody such as Jermain Defoe, let alone Michael Owen & other greats of the modern game.


Don't know how you can make these calls so early on. The lad shows outstanding promise, you can see it a MILE off. And I think this year he is going to pull all of your trousers down. (so to speak)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on October 15, 2013, 09:03:59 AM

Don't know how you can make these calls so early on. The lad shows outstanding promise, you can see it a MILE off. And I think this year he is going to pull all of your trousers down. (so to speak)

I hope he does. As an Albion fan id like nothing more!!

Im just taking a step back & making a judgement from there. Lets not get sucked in to the typical English way of hyping up younger players too soon.

Give him time to settle, give him time to improve. Lets not slate him when things go poorly.

Sterling, Carroll, Oxlade-Chamberlain are just some of the 'next big things' we've had in this country over recent seasons. Long term form proves they are nothing more than fairly good footballers!

But heres hoping Saido can be our superstar, but dont forget to be patient! Lets wait to see if he can perform regularly for 12months or so as a minimum before we hail every move!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 15, 2013, 09:17:22 AM
From the his twitter account sounds that he will be in the U21 side tonight will be interesting to see how he gets on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Gaffer on October 15, 2013, 11:04:26 AM
Berahino is a star of the future you wait and see. As a "goalscorer" he's just got it. Yes it's putting pressure on him but class acts handle pressure and this boy will.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 15, 2013, 01:36:53 PM
regardless of all of this we should get him on a longer contract.

1)rewards progress
2) if sugar daddys come along it has to be with stupid offer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 15, 2013, 06:06:11 PM
He's just scored for the under 21-s within the opening couple of minutes.

I'm relying on Twitter but there are apparently some doubts about whether the goal is actually his.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 15, 2013, 06:47:00 PM
He's just scored for the under 21-s within the opening couple of minutes.

I'm relying on Twitter but there are apparently some doubts about whether the goal is actually his.
It's Ravel Morrison's, Saido didn't get a touch but was enough to trick the keeper who fumbled it in the wrong side of the post. He's struggling on his own up front, cant turn his man and is struggling to make space between the lines for Morrison to exploit, the one time he has was the goal. Ince isn't doing anything for me, but Zaha 's got that left wing down.

Lithuania are playing VERY defensively (as you may expect) and are limiting our chances and forcing us to play sideways, their tactics are working quite well despite the scoreline.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on October 15, 2013, 07:24:05 PM
Berahino again...top class..now **** off Arsenal and any others he is ours !!!!@!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 15, 2013, 07:25:11 PM
He's just scored a wonderful goal, no doubts about this one.

A terrific finish. Opens his body up and from an acute angle bends it around the keeper into the corner.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 15, 2013, 07:36:07 PM
Just scored his second goal of the night - a penalty sending the keeper the wrong way.

He's now been substituted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on October 15, 2013, 07:42:35 PM
I just hope we can keep him, I will be heartbroken if we lose another youngster.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 15, 2013, 07:54:26 PM
Got to start next match. This boy is flying. #goalmachine
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 15, 2013, 08:01:52 PM
I missed 10 mins so missed his first goal but in the 2nd half he had so much more space to work with, and he improved drastically. had a Good header which unfortunately was too central and another 1st time shot that could've easily squirmed under the keeper.

1st half was one sided and dull, the 2nd half was one sided and entertaining, Lithuania must've fell apart when the first subs were made when I was away because they really restricted us first half.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Gaffer on October 15, 2013, 08:28:04 PM
I just hope we can keep him, I will be heartbroken if we lose another youngster.


That's the problem I think it's inevitable we will lose him the "elite" clubs have too much pull.

I would slap one hell of a price tag round his neck though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ronnie_allen on October 15, 2013, 10:09:15 PM
Well done Saido - bit disappointed the ITV Commentator only mentioned Morrison getting two goals though  >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on October 15, 2013, 10:48:00 PM
Well done Saido - bit disappointed the ITV Commentator only mentioned Morrison getting two goals though  >:(

No surprise, par for the course especially with ITV.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 16, 2013, 12:03:06 AM
No surprise, par for the course especially with ITV.

He had a simple choice: mention west ham or West Brom and he used all of his knowledge of football and decided that he'd go with the established premier league team and talk about Morrison.  Obvious when you don't think about it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on October 16, 2013, 12:37:51 AM
Interesting that Morrison was on a hatrick but Berahino took the penalty.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ronnie_allen on October 16, 2013, 09:03:34 AM
BBC Radio 5 report this morning did the same with Under 21s. Only mentioning Ravel scoring his two. No problem with him being given the headlines, but would it have been too much trouble to spend an extra five seconds giving the full list of scorers. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbastrollers on October 16, 2013, 09:22:07 AM
BBC Radio 5 report this morning did the same with Under 21s. Only mentioning Ravel scoring his two. No problem with him being given the headlines, but would it have been too much trouble to spend an extra five seconds giving the full list of scorers.

We have a little gem - lets keep it hidden, lest  someone comes along and steals it  :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: section5 on October 16, 2013, 09:59:06 AM
we have to give him the contract he deserves, especially if he continues to be a first team regular/ squad member, he has to earn on a par with his peers so he feels valued as well, i know he's only young and we've got the years extra option but if we drag this out his head may be turned, i know its only early doors so it's a bit of a balancing act but if he continues to be around the first sixteen surely it would only merit a contract representing his new squad status
in an ideal world we sign him up on a long contract and he continues going strength to strength, there's a feel good factor around the squad and we don't want anything upsetting it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 16, 2013, 01:14:54 PM
I would very much hope we're not leaving his contract situation till January, or even worse, the summer?

A decent, but not elaborate contract, running for 4 years is needed right away, even if it pushes us over our wage allowance? Long &/or Berg will be gone by Feb, it'll even out long term.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tucka9 on October 16, 2013, 02:52:12 PM
Anyone think a good season of 10-15 goals from him (a big if at the moment) could force his way into the England squad? Rooney, Sturridge and Welbeck nailed on, which probably leaves 2 forward places up for grabs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 16, 2013, 04:54:37 PM
Anyone think a good season of 10-15 goals from him (a big if at the moment) could force his way into the England squad? Rooney, Sturridge and Welbeck nailed on, which probably leaves 2 forward places up for grabs.

He's already got about 8 or 9 I think including his U21 goals! I'd be half tempted to hide him away and play the other lads till his contract is sorted. He seems a good lad with a level head, but if he scores 6 or so by christmas his advisors are going to want huge money and some "big" club are bound to try their best to sway him.

It's an odd problem to have, you've got a great player, but you may have to not play him short-term, so that he will stay long term? I've honestly not got a firm idea how we'll handle this?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on October 16, 2013, 08:46:22 PM
Interesting that Morrison was on a hatrick but Berahino took the penalty.
Morrison didn't seem to like it as he squared up to Zaha after the pen. Not sure if Zaha was captain or not. Given that Southgate said he'd reminded them to be ruthless and not showboat at half time that could have been why they went with Saido who I assume must have been designated penalty taker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 187_homicide on October 17, 2013, 05:57:55 AM
Three Lions boss Hodgson will call up West Brom striker Saido Berahino and in-form Norwich winger Nathan Redmond from the Under-21s for England's two friendlies at Wembley next month, and may also consider West Ham's reformed bad-boy Ravel Morisson.

Great news.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/england-starlets-must-force-take-2460416#ixzz2hx4uR41x?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on October 17, 2013, 06:09:17 AM
I'm pretty certain that saido is not ready to be the england centre forward (though it's not as if england has a single really outstanding one).

I hope hodgson sees it the same way, because if saido were to go to Brazil and play, unless he were a total flop he would not start the following season for wba.

Playing in the forthcoming friendlies would be bad enough in that respect.

Not that that story in the mirror is other than speculation presented as fact.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 17, 2013, 07:50:12 AM
I'm pretty certain that saido is not ready to be the england centre forward (though it's not as if england has a single really outstanding one).

I hope hodgson sees it the same way, because if saido were to go to Brazil and play, unless he were a total flop he would not start the following season for wba.

Playing in the forthcoming friendlies would be bad enough in that respect.

Not that that story in the mirror is other than speculation presented as fact.
I'd back him to out score Wellbeck?
Sometimes you just don't know how good they can be till you put them in, Townsend anyone?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 17, 2013, 10:57:32 AM
On the one hand it is good to see a young player of ours getting recognition but equally it is a worry that the hype surrounding Berhahino is getting a little bit out of hand and long term that is not good for either the player nor the club until the contract issue is resolved.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on October 17, 2013, 11:02:21 AM
no harm in him being called up for the experience. he'll get no more than 15 mins i would think but why not get him used to the set up.  getting him a new contract is important but not urgent. The media are responsible for so much hype but the reality is that if he signs for a bigger club he wont get a look-in and his development will suffer as a result. he has years ahead of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on October 17, 2013, 11:12:57 AM
How is the progress of signing a new deal with Saido?We have to act quicker as I'm afraid that he will attract much more interest from the big clubs if he called up by England.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 17, 2013, 06:56:38 PM
I imagine we would have scheduled a meeting with Saido's people at the earliest opportunity following the game at OT.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 17, 2013, 10:51:07 PM
All seems very slow i'm afraid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 18, 2013, 06:24:36 AM
All seems very slow i'm afraid.

Its a contract that may affect the rest of a young players life so I would imagine that its not as cut and dried as we think it should be.
I would imagine that the contract will have several add ons and clauses based on how many Premier League goals he scores and how many England caps he might get at U21 and Full International level.
Add to that the release clauses that will be in there, it wont be sorted overnight.
At the end of the day the agent will want the maximum for his client and the Albion will want to be paying the minimum the can to secure his services.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 18, 2013, 09:06:02 AM
We still have the best part of two years to run on his current deal and as the previous poster noted contracts are far from straight forward so it won't get sorted quickly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on October 18, 2013, 03:47:30 PM
Not sure if anybody saw another bit in yesterdays Mirror but one of the main journalists put Saido in his World Cup squad for Brazil!

Obviously a lot can happen between now and then and important there isnt too much hype about him as he has actually only made one premiership start!

Signs are good though, he seems a sensible lad and i think he probably appreciates Albion have had a big part in his life, he has had quite a different background to most.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 18, 2013, 09:50:56 PM
Tottenham seemed to sort out Andros Townsend's contract quite quickly since his rise of form.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 18, 2013, 10:09:18 PM
Tottenham seemed to sort out Andros Townsend's contract quite quickly since his rise of form.

And?

Spurs are in a completely different situation to us, being a much smaller club the agent of Berahino will be looking for a massive pay rise for his client using supposed interest from bigger clubs to try and pressure Albion. The agent of Townsend doesn't have anything like that to pressure Spurs, also how long have they been negotiating a new deal for Townsend in comparison to us with Berahino.

I'm confident a deal will get agreed but there is no major rush for us so I don't see the need to panic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on October 19, 2013, 09:53:26 AM
Hopefully, whilst talks continue, we are 'looking after him' will ex gratia reward payments for appearances and goals !!!!!!!!

He seems a level headed young guy but the power and pull of the so-called 'big four' clubs cannot be underestimated if they come calling so the sooner we can get him on a long contract the better - remember the players all talk when they are away on international duty and heads can easily get turned.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 19, 2013, 02:15:50 PM
Januzaj contract negotiations tied up into a 5 year deal. These players all hit form at the same time as Saido. It's slow business as usual for us I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 19, 2013, 02:28:56 PM
Januzaj contract negotiations tied up into a 5 year deal. These players all hit form at the same time as Saido. It's slow business as usual for us I'm afraid.
So your argument is based on two teams in Europe with insane amounts of money to throw at them and realistically teams the player cannot improve on and in Townsend's case the team he's always supported? Whereas the whole basis of why so many larger clubs are linked is because they can give Saido more money and price us out.

Not the greatest comparison is it? I mean what else was Januzaj supposed to do after breaking into one of the largest teams in the world? go to a worse one for less money and play with worse players while probably playing just as much?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on October 19, 2013, 02:31:27 PM
Januzaj contract negotiations tied up into a 5 year deal. These players all hit form at the same time as Saido. It's slow business as usual for us I'm afraid.

Too true, I seem to recall it was mentioned that he was in talks about a contract after the Newport cup game
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on October 19, 2013, 02:38:10 PM
Well apparently, Townsend's near deal is only 16k a week, which for someone who's just launched themselves into the England starting line up and plays for Spurs is incredibly low. No reason to rush a contract and give him too big a contract too soon, he's got over 18 months left after all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mat15(MH) on October 19, 2013, 02:48:37 PM
Januzaj contract negotiations tied up into a 5 year deal. These players all hit form at the same time as Saido. It's slow business as usual for us I'm afraid.

Actually, United have been trying to sort a deal with Januzaj for a couple of months, so it's hardly quick business.

And as has been pointed out, Townsend/Januzaj are at a lot bigger clubs than us, Townsend and Januzaj in particular aren't likely to be able to join a bigger side than the one they are at.

A bit of patience is required, there was a similar fuss over McAuley and Mulumbu's deals in the summer and then they got done, plenty of time yet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on October 19, 2013, 08:55:07 PM
Did ok today in his most physical test so far , left Ridgewell a bit to open at times though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 19, 2013, 08:56:33 PM
I thought today showed that he has a long way to go before he becomes the finished article.

Couldn't really get into the game and when he did receive the ball he couldn't effect play.

Today will be a good learning curve for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Wbamitch on October 19, 2013, 09:31:40 PM
Agree with both of the above comments. I thought he actually showed decent strength in battling for and holding up the ball. Unfortunately didn't get much chance to lurk around the really dangerous areas.

Was always going to be a tough game, I personally would have gave him a rest but its a good experience for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 20, 2013, 12:33:20 AM
He struggled to get into the game today and I think we have better for the wide left position in both Sinclair and Brunt. Would like to see him given his head up front from the bench in future matches. I'm certain he won't start at Anfield next week.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on October 20, 2013, 12:14:56 PM
On the verge of a call up to the upcoming friendlys according to the mirror today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 20, 2013, 01:33:09 PM
I think he did ok Yesterday I was surprised that Clarke had started him, and I felt he may have gone for Brunt. However it would be a very good learning curve for him and he would have gained some useful experience.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 20, 2013, 01:40:04 PM
He was quiet yesterday. Although his pass for Sessegnon's first chance was sublime. A lot of out traffic went down our right side with Amalfitano, maybe we were targeting their left back, which created the illusion of Berahino not being in the game.

He's still raw. Like Lukaku was this time last season.

I suspect he is filling in for Sinclair at the moment, and would expect Sinclair to come in when he returns from injury.

I would be inclined to start Brunt against Liverpool just to take come pressure off Berahino, he's had a big couple of weeks!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on October 20, 2013, 02:06:44 PM
He was quiet yesterday. Although his pass for Sessegnon's first chance was sublime. A lot of out traffic went down our right side with Amalfitano, maybe we were targeting their left back, which created the illusion of Berahino not being in the game.

He's still raw. Like Lukaku was this time last season.

I suspect he is filling in for Sinclair at the moment, and would expect Sinclair to come in when he returns from injury.

I would be inclined to start Brunt against Liverpool just to take come pressure off Berahino, he's had a big couple of weeks!!!
Agree..cant expect too much from him...like the way he didnt try too many tricks in the England U 21 game...far more mature a player than Zaha...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyfred on October 20, 2013, 08:47:43 PM
thought he found the stoke defenders rather physical today but all part of the learning curve, he stuck at it, and will be all the better for the experience
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 30, 2013, 08:57:48 AM
Sensible deal the club has plenty of scope for increasing his pay as he progresses so we will be able to negotiate future extensions and hopefully keep him at the club at little bit longer than might otherwise be the case 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 30, 2013, 09:30:10 AM
Good news that he seems very close to signing a new deal, he deserves to be rewarded for his progress so far and it will mean if a bigger club wants him they will have to pay a big fee to get him. Hopefully he can keep up the hard work and stay in and around the squad to develop his game and ultimately make an even bigger name for himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on October 30, 2013, 12:59:31 PM
Hope his agent is sensible and the deal get's signed. He would get more than that if someone else snapped him up of course.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 30, 2013, 01:18:37 PM
Don't know how to break this to you all, but....

I think he actually wants to stay here , he is very grounded and would like to continue his progression at the baggies , whilst being paid a fair rate (of course).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 30, 2013, 03:59:07 PM
I agree that he seems settled and happy here and i've read quotes from him roughly says he feels he owes the club. Sign him up for 4+ years and let him loose on the Prem. Play the lad  upfront and he can be a starting player for up by next season. He'll only get better with Minutes on the pitch.

Long and Berg should not be getting any pitch time instead of Saido once he's signed (I think they're both good lads and i want them both to be happy elsewhere, but neither is a relaible goalscorer)

Sess, Saido, Vic and 1 other to be our attack by Sep 2014!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 30, 2013, 06:36:47 PM
I agree that he seems settled and happy here and i've read quotes from him roughly says he feels he owes the club. Sign him up for 4+ years and let him loose on the Prem. Play the lad  upfront and he can be a starting player for up by next season. He'll only get better with Minutes on the pitch.

Long and Berg should not be getting any pitch time instead of Saido once he's signed (I think they're both good lads and i want them both to be happy elsewhere, but neither is a relaible goalscorer)

Sess, Saido, Vic and 1 other to be our attack by Sep 2014!
Sess is a midfielder in the main, saido vic quaglierella and either ayew or mbokani
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 30, 2013, 09:59:25 PM
I think he will stay as long as we are stabilising in the Prem.
Everton will have to do that next season!!
I would rather have the goals coming from all over the team than one man.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 02, 2013, 07:48:40 PM
Really beginning to like this lad. Appears we have a very talented young boy on our hands and hopefully we can tie him down to this new contract sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on November 02, 2013, 07:52:02 PM
Chuck him a good contract now, good wage and all that, Can talk about what hes said all day but money talks alot today and im sure his got interest, seen enough of him to know his got a very bright future ahead of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on November 02, 2013, 09:25:10 PM
he scored a cracking goal, but mulumbu was class again.. and he's the one we cant lose
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 02, 2013, 09:27:53 PM
Berahino again showed today why he has a lot of talent and serious prospects on becoming a really talented player. The goal he scored today was pure class and I think he was also good in the attacks that we had in the second half. I'm really delighted for the young lad that he is making a big impact on our season six goals already for him is a great start. Each time I see him he gets better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 02, 2013, 09:44:37 PM
Imagine what he could do in his natural position!!  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mat15(MH) on November 02, 2013, 09:48:54 PM
Imagine what he could do in his natural position!!  ;D

He's going to have to start playing there soon, no way Clarke can justify picking any of our others strikers over him if he keeps scoring and they don't.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on November 02, 2013, 10:34:23 PM
Imagine what he could do in his natural position!!  ;D

I'm not sure if Saido is ready to play there yet for us. I like him on the wings for us atm.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on November 02, 2013, 10:37:07 PM
Clarke got it correct when he said that aside from his goalscoring its his all round game and defensive capabilities that really show what a good player he is.

He really supported Amalfitano on the right hand side today in what could have been a vary tough situation when Jones went off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 02, 2013, 10:41:47 PM
Clarke got it correct when he said that aside from his goalscoring its his all round game and defensive capabilities that really show what a good player he is.

He really supported Amalfitano on the right hand side today in what could have been a vary tough situation when Jones went off.

Agree with that, but that finish was so good, he hits it accurately, with power, but most of all, he takes the shot so early, very impressive.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on November 02, 2013, 10:45:42 PM
Agree with that, but that finish was so good, he hits it accurately, with power, but most of all, he takes the shot so early, very impressive.

I thought it wasn't that hard, but Saido made the most of a difficult ball after it bounced a bit awkward. To me it was more a Michu like finish not the hardest but expertly placed. Clive Allen used to score goals like that back in the day for Tottenham. SKP is another who had (has) a cool head in those situations. Know where to put it, concentrate on getting a good hit on the ball and shoot fast before the keeper is ready.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 02, 2013, 10:49:34 PM
I thought it wasn't that hard, but Saido made the most of a difficult ball after it bounced a bit awkward. To me it was more a Michu like finish not the hardest but expertly placed. Clive Allen used to score goals like that back in the day for Tottenham. SKP is another who had (has) a cool head in those situations. Know where to put it, concentrate on getting a good hit on the ball and shoot fast before the keeper is ready.

More of a general comment on his finishing, its the taking it so early that sets him apart.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on November 02, 2013, 10:55:50 PM
More of a general comment on his finishing, its the taking it so early that sets him apart.

Aye, and accuracy :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on November 02, 2013, 11:15:56 PM
Dont really care what else he can or cant do just give him quick accurate service in the penalty area and goalkeepers are going to be demanding overtime payments,he could well go on to be a top top goalscorer ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 02, 2013, 11:18:05 PM
Knows where the goal is from all ranges with both feet... A very exciting prospect who should be embraced into the starting XI and allowed to show what he can do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbasoprano on November 02, 2013, 11:26:39 PM
He's 20, not 16, play him every week if he is fit. Our best finisher by a mile.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 02, 2013, 11:49:02 PM
He's 20, not 16, play him every week if he is fit. Our best finisher by a mile.
Exactly Lukaku was 19? If we don't play him we could lose him to someone on mega bucks who will not play him either!  ;)
In our side he looks well! 8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 03, 2013, 08:25:26 AM
I'm not sure if Saido is ready to play there yet for us. I like him on the wings for us atm.
Can't agree, would Liverpool have played micheal Owen out wide?
Yesterday he had to sit on the bench and watch an experienced forward (who's not as good as Berahino ) start the match, then due to injury he gets on, scores but is still expected to stay wide right.
If I were him I'd have reservations about signing the contract?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on November 03, 2013, 09:49:42 AM
Can he lead the line though? I honestly don't know. Need to try him there to find out.

He has the one killer attribute that sets players like Owen, Defoe and SKP apart from average strikers - Instinct.

Watch his goal against United, and I haven't seen the goal but by the way it sounds as described by you guys sounds like it was a very instinctive goal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionwarrior on November 03, 2013, 10:21:03 AM
Looks like a smart, really decent young man.

I'm sure the club are in the process of tying him up on a long term deal, and he deserves it......

No doubt in the future, if he progresses at this rate, he will be a sought after player and will move on, (That's the way things work generally isn't it). The club will cash in and so will Saido.

I hope he stays and it's very much down to him I would think, he reminds me a little of Lukaku's attitude and comments of last season ..... integrity is often in short supply in our game and it would appear that Saido may just have that X factor
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 03, 2013, 02:44:48 PM
I'd keep him out wide for the time being to be honest with Anichebe as the main striker, yes he's 20 and he is good enough from what we've seen so far to play in this division, not going to dispute that but he is still learning at this level and the last thing he needs is the added pressure of being the main striker, getting the rubbish kicked out of him week in week out and having a few games without a goal just for people to turn round and start knocking him. The club are doing it the right way at the moment whether thats by good judgement or just good fortune (bit of both at times). Next season is the one that will make or break him at this level for me and thats the season he could become the main striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: JtheMull on November 03, 2013, 04:21:03 PM
Daily Mail saying that Hodgson is ready to call him up for the friendliest and maybe even the World Cup squad! Garlick needs to sign him up to a new deal now!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on November 03, 2013, 04:44:42 PM

I'd keep him out wide for the time being to be honest with Anichebe as the main striker, yes he's 20 and he is good enough from what we've seen so far to play in this division, not going to dispute that but he is still learning at this level and the last thing he needs is the added pressure of being the main striker, getting the rubbish kicked out of him week in week out and having a few games without a goal just for people to turn round and start knocking him. The club are doing it the right way at the moment whether thats by good judgement or just good fortune (bit of both at times). Next season is the one that will make or break him at this level for me and thats the season he could become the main striker.

I think those are all very good points, from the point of view of the player's development, It's going to be harder to maintain the longer the other strikers don't score though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 03, 2013, 06:10:34 PM
Its currently working with him out wide so why not keep him there for a while to develop his game further. I'm happy enough to see the lad come in and out of the team, no need to over do it just yet but he is doing a great job of making it very difficult for Steve Clarke not to start him regularly.

His goal yesterday was superb, found plenty of space and showed great composure with a finish any top striker would have been proud of. He must be on cloud nine at the moment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 03, 2013, 09:17:11 PM
Its currently working with him out wide so why not keep him there for a while to develop his game further. I'm happy enough to see the lad come in and out of the team, no need to over do it just yet but he is doing a great job of making it very difficult for Steve Clarke not to start him regularly.

His goal yesterday was superb, found plenty of space and showed great composure with a finish any top striker would have been proud of. He must be on cloud nine at the moment.
I agree. It's going to be good for Saido in his career to be versatile enough to play anywhere across the front 3. When he eventually goes to a bigger club and gets into the England squad, that versatility will help him. He's also scored at least 5 goals for us this season when filling a wide role - as long as he has license to come in and take up goal scoring positions which he seems to have, then I can't see the problem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 04, 2013, 07:45:26 PM
I agree. It's going to be good for Saido in his career to be versatile enough to play anywhere across the front 3. When he eventually goes to a bigger club and gets into the England squad, that versatility will help him. He's also scored at least 5 goals for us this season when filling a wide role - as long as he has license to come in and take up goal scoring positions which he seems to have, then I can't see the problem.
Maybe, but what if playing central he would have scored another 3?, this could be worth another 3-6 points already and (and I keep saying it) if he sees himself as a central striker it could influence the decision on signing the contract?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on November 04, 2013, 08:10:04 PM
He's adapted to play on the wing this season, done well there. Keep playing him there. That doesn't mean he won't ever play central. Expect him there next season really!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbastrollers on November 04, 2013, 08:28:15 PM
Maybe, but what if playing central he would have scored another 3?, this could be worth another 3-6 points already and (and I keep saying it) if he sees himself as a central striker it could influence the decision on signing the contract?

I get your point now zippy,however, I only partially agree - been held to ransom by a young whippersnapper is beyond the pale, then again he could be the striker that will make our season.
I think I will leave to  SC, thats what he is paid for ;) 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on November 05, 2013, 12:10:15 AM
According to the Daily Mirror, Monaco are after him!

Need to sign him up on a mega deal asap otherwise we will lose him for peanuts.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dubya BA on November 05, 2013, 12:25:50 AM
I bet Stoke City would love to have him right now but as for Chelsea, Arsenal or Monaco-I'm not so sure.

All the same we need to show him that we appreciate his talents. Potentially I think Saido could play at Champions League level but he already seems to have realised that you have to keep working on keeping what you have already got.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on November 05, 2013, 07:16:24 AM
I expect him to sign for us based on what I've read and heard about him but all this speculation is making me nervous right now. Hope he signs soon (this week) as it would give fans and team a boost.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on November 05, 2013, 09:20:25 AM
The hype surrounding him is ridiculous while he has done well in his appearances thus far this season he is way short of being a regular starter at a Champions League club nor is he ready for a full international debut. I really hope Roy does not call him up this week it is not in either our interests or the player's.

Given that he is getting game time here and critically there are question marks over the futures of all of the other strikers at the club with the possible exception of Anichebe his opportunities to play regularly are going to be greater with us than elsewhere. Maybe full international honours and Champions League football await him but for the next couple of years at least he will be better off continuing his development with us. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 05, 2013, 10:10:22 AM
The hype surrounding him is ridiculous while he has done well in his appearances thus far this season he is way short of being a regular starter at a Champions League club nor is he ready for a full international debut. I really hope Roy does not call him up this week it is not in either our interests or the player's.

Given that he is getting game time here and critically there are question marks over the futures of all of the other strikers at the club with the possible exception of Anichebe his opportunities to play regularly are going to be greater with us than elsewhere. Maybe full international honours and Champions League football await him but for the next couple of years at least he will be better off continuing his development with us.
Fully agree , it's way over the top and he isn't ready to be our main striker yet let alone get full honours.
I would hope Roy has more sense than to pick Saido , remember the ghost of Michael Ricketts!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies54 on November 05, 2013, 10:36:35 AM
The hype surrounding him is ridiculous while he has done well in his appearances thus far this season he is way short of being a regular starter at a Champions League club nor is he ready for a full international debut. I really hope Roy does not call him up this week it is not in either our interests or the player's.

Given that he is getting game time here and critically there are question marks over the futures of all of the other strikers at the club with the possible exception of Anichebe his opportunities to play regularly are going to be greater with us than elsewhere. Maybe full international honours and Champions League football await him but for the next couple of years at least he will be better off continuing his development with us.

At last a poster with a bit of common sense, Berahino is a good player(but by no means perfect) and one we should protecting from national vitriol should he fail at the top level, for now at least.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 05, 2013, 11:42:43 AM
Agree with Standaman's post, whilst he's made a promising start to this season, he still has a lot of developing to do before he can be considered as a first choice in my opinion and I do expect him to drop back down to the bench once Scott Sinclair returns from his injury. I like any other Albion fan want Berahino to stay and hope that in this time he keeps his feet on the ground but talk of England call ups, Champions League and these big clubs is for me, at the moment, is out doing his ability. I think he can have a successful England career in the future, he has plenty of time on his hands and hopefully he isn't rushed into the squads because he's the current flavour of the month.

Hopefully he can sign his new contract and all this hype and expectation surrounding him can ease slightly so we can allow Saido to improve his game without the burdens of our expectations.

I have to say, I'm also impressed with how Steve Clarke has handled this situation. Slamming the speculation, calming the expectation and using Berahino at times when it's appropriate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 05, 2013, 11:44:59 AM
Think he is going to be star.

He has so much talent and is big and strong with it.

Far from polished but you can see clearly through this rough diamond, better than Defoe he will be
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 05, 2013, 01:04:34 PM
Interesting comments I saw yesterday with I think it was Morrison describing him as once having a big time attitude, completely going against anything else I have seen about him since he broke into the team. Maybe that is the reason he is only just getting in the side at 20-years-old now he has apparently changed his attitude.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 05, 2013, 01:21:42 PM
Interesting comments I saw yesterday with I think it was Morrison describing him as once having a big time attitude, completely going against anything else I have seen about him since he broke into the team. Maybe that is the reason he is only just getting in the side at 20-years-old now he has apparently changed his attitude.
it's one reason he fell out at Brentford, not happy at being subbed, he took to twitter and lambasted the club and Rosler for it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on November 05, 2013, 01:30:52 PM
Its also easy to slip back into having that attitude now he is creating headlines.

This is where good management comes in to keep his feet on the ground.

The worry for me is whether his agents are pushing him towards a move or advising him to sign a contract with us and play premier league games.

I genuinely hope that he signs a long term (say 4 year contract) with us giving him performance related bonuses or pay increases along the way.   It will benefit his career in terms of development.  Lets just hope his advisors see it that way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 05, 2013, 01:33:19 PM
Interesting comments I saw yesterday with I think it was Morrison describing him as once having a big time attitude, completely going against anything else I have seen about him since he broke into the team. Maybe that is the reason he is only just getting in the side at 20-years-old now he has apparently changed his attitude.

I'm sure I've read somewhere that he's had a barney with Mulumbu who also put him back in his place.

Think it may have been in The Mirror.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 06, 2013, 02:39:09 PM
I'm sure I've read somewhere that he's had a barney with Mulumbu who also put him back in his place.

Think it may have been in The Mirror.

The hallmark of authenticity  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2013, 12:40:30 PM
Hasn't made it into the latest England squad. Must have been close though if Jay Rodriguez is in it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 07, 2013, 12:46:42 PM
Hasn't made it into the latest England squad. Must have been close drawn with straws though if Jay Rodriguez is in it.  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 07, 2013, 12:48:20 PM
He's been included in the Under 21s squad.

Apparently, Southgate asked Hodgson if he could have Berahino, Shaw and Morrison for the important qualifiers coming up.

I'm actually happy with that decision.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 07, 2013, 12:52:02 PM
I'm pleased that Berahino is in the U21 squad. I think it could be a bigger and tougher challenge for him to play in games in which England need to win rather than friendlies. I still think that he needs more time in the Premiership before he can make the step up into the full national side. If he continues to show this form then I think a call up to the senior side isn't too far off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on November 07, 2013, 12:59:56 PM
He's been included in the Under 21s squad.

Apparently, Southgate asked Hodgson if he could have Berahino, Shaw and Morrison for the important qualifiers coming up.

I'm actually happy with that decision.

If you're right that's great news. Much rather he was playing in matches that matter - real competitive football for his development. Also shows he is rated/ important in the U21 set up - there are some good players in that team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 07, 2013, 04:24:16 PM
How to pronounce his name, straight from the horses mouth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsTu5RtA21c

More.. "Berra-heino"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on November 07, 2013, 04:41:31 PM
Good decision for all involved really, an England cap would attract even more unwanted attention before his contracts signed, and for him, I think for him its an awful lot of pressure to dump on him when he was only about our 5th or 6th choice striker back in August.

If he carries on doing well for us and scoring in the league he should get given his chance in the March friendlies though, till then lets hope he keeps it up. We could feasibly have 2 players in the world cup squad this year.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on November 08, 2013, 07:33:01 PM
Very confusing im just going to call him burito to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 08, 2013, 08:30:47 PM
Peterborough fans took to calling him "Dave" during his loan spell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on November 13, 2013, 03:19:11 PM
Hope the reports on here are not true that he has refused to sign a new deal, desperate news.  Been tapped up by the big boys again, and his agent with itchy palms.  We need to push the boat out or we will lose him for peanuts yet again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 13, 2013, 03:33:47 PM
Hope the reports on here are not true that he has refused to sign a new deal, desperate news.  Been tapped up by the big boys again, and his agent with itchy palms.  We need to push the boat out or we will lose him for peanuts yet again.

Reports that he has refused to sign a new deal? Where are these, have heard nothing bar a few murmurings from the club a couple of weeks back that they were confident a deal would soon be done?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on November 13, 2013, 03:46:11 PM
Chris Lepkowski on Twitter two hours ago: "He'll sign a new deal at some point.  Contracted till 2015 so other clubs interest irrelevant in many ways."

Panic ye not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 14, 2013, 08:26:21 PM
Just scored again for the England Under 21s.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 14, 2013, 08:50:31 PM
Two good goals, looking a real talent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 14, 2013, 08:54:19 PM
Much better served playing and scoring for the under 21's tonight in a competitive fixture than sitting on the bench for the senior side for friendlies.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jasonbot on November 14, 2013, 09:14:32 PM
Just scored again for the England Under 21s.

Why cant he just keep a low profile >_>
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on November 14, 2013, 09:43:02 PM
Much better served playing and scoring for the under 21's tonight in a competitive fixture than sitting on the bench for the senior side for friendlies.

very very true....


These young talents need to play and not sit on the bench...


U21s is much better for him than Seniors

West Brom is much better for him than reserve for the reserve bench at a supposedly "Big Club".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 14, 2013, 09:47:57 PM
Scored again in stoppage time  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on November 14, 2013, 09:48:35 PM
Peace will be rubbing his hands so hard they will be smoking...thats another million on his price tag...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Blakey on November 14, 2013, 09:58:06 PM
cant wait to see tomorrows papers with more links to more top clubs please please sign the lad up don't let him be snapped up for peanuts
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 14, 2013, 10:58:21 PM
This lad signing a 4+ year contract and Albion finishing above Villa are my two goals for the season.

Starting striker for us next season. Morgan on the right, Sess in the hole and someone decent on the left.... A great attacking lineup!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on November 15, 2013, 07:06:39 AM
Sounds like he hit the woodwork twice also!! Get him up front for us!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on November 15, 2013, 10:42:22 AM
Top scorer for the under 21's is apparently Alan Shearer with 13 goals in 11 games.

I personally dont think hes ready for the first team so with 6 in 4, Saido could rival that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 15, 2013, 11:01:40 AM
The guy is an absolute gem, he finishes so easily its too natural.

I agree the lad needs to play up front as the main striker, when you have someone with that kind of finishing ability you dont play them on the wing (even though for development it could do him good).

we need to embrace the striking skills and give the lad his opportunity.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on November 15, 2013, 11:34:04 AM
I'd start him against Villa.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 15, 2013, 11:51:24 AM
The guy is an absolute gem, he finishes so easily its too natural.

I agree the lad needs to play up front as the main striker, when you have someone with that kind of finishing ability you dont play them on the wing (even though for development it could do him good).

we need to embrace the striking skills and give the lad his opportunity.
His game isn't developed enough to play up front on his own in my opinion and nor is his body.  Berahino seems to be a striker whose sharp in and around the box and has pace to play off the shoulder of defenders.  Working off a pivotal experienced striker such as Long, Anichebe or Anelka suits him best for the time being.  I wouldn't want to burden him or pressure his development by making him our focal striker.

The formation we play suits his game well, in what is a wide attacking role, I wouldn't say he is being asked to play as an 'out n' out' winger but part of a three pronged attack, where the wider players are slightly deeper than the central striker.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 15, 2013, 11:55:00 AM
im just saying he serves his chance as the main striker..

he looks strong to me, has great control and boy can he finish
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 15, 2013, 01:13:17 PM
im just saying he serves his chance as the main striker..

he looks strong to me, has great control and boy can he finish

I think he will benefit from playing the wider role that he has been for us so far, developing different parts of his game and doesn't have a centre-half kicking him all game. There is less pressure on him out wide than being the lone striker, he's certainly doing a good job there so far.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 15, 2013, 01:24:47 PM
I see his booking last night means he is suspended for Tuesdays Qualifier. I presume that there's nothing to stop Roy calling him into the senior squad though as their game is a friendly ?

Come on Roy make his day  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 15, 2013, 01:49:06 PM
Make his agents day more like, that would probably be another 10k a week added to his demands
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on November 15, 2013, 04:18:30 PM
He's banned from the u21's next game for lifting up his top to say 'RIP love u dad'. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 15, 2013, 05:11:40 PM
He's banned from the u21's next game for lifting up his top to say 'RIP love u dad'. Unbelievable.

Apparently it's a strict rule and Southgate said if he'd known he had it on he would have made him take it off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 15, 2013, 05:17:02 PM
I'm really pleased that he scored twice last night shame that he wont be able to play in the game against San Marino. That is six goals in just four appearances for the England U21s. I am really sorry to hear about the passing of his Father. I think booking players for lifting your shirt is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 15, 2013, 05:38:35 PM
I wish we'd hurry up and get a new contract sorted for the lad before the vultures start swooping!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 15, 2013, 06:57:14 PM
I think as someone else has pointed out it isn't in his agents interest for us to sell him at the moment as we wouldn't get as much due to his current situation & therefore the agents %age cut of his fee will be lower then if he was sold on a decent contract with a few years left.

(made sense to me when I was writing it)  :-[ 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 15, 2013, 07:45:12 PM
Apparently it's a strict rule and Southgate said if he'd known he had it on he would have made him take it off.

Almost as farcical as having touchline technology and not using it isn't it.... BTW, go Mr. Peace, create war....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: petethebaggie on November 15, 2013, 08:56:02 PM
I dunno. My Dad loves him and he can be right occasionally, he doesn't seem to care how old he is or whether he has Prem experience or whether we need to phase him in gently. He is probably right did Regis, Cunnigham, Robson or even Brown get managed gently? The kids got talent play him every week that simple. I am more pragmatic perhaps we should play him on the left and let Long or Anichebe lead the line, great player to have and how exciting. As someone once said the future is bright in blue and white!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 16, 2013, 03:26:05 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2508070/Saido-Berahino-wants-to-2014-World-Cup-England.html

The comments at the end, if accurate, are a big concern.




Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on November 16, 2013, 09:41:52 AM
I don't see how we could lose him for 300k. He's 20 and a pro. It's a load of garbage!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Gaffer on November 16, 2013, 10:37:52 AM
Listen, for whatever faults he has has anyone ever known Jeremy sell us short? Trust him, he won't, if Saido leaves Albion it will be for ridiculous money that will strengthen our squad considerably. If he doesn't leave we have a fantastic new prospect. Either way it is win - win.

Don't worry folks - Chill.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on November 16, 2013, 11:11:02 AM
That is spot on this is not the Albion of the early eighties.  Peace knows the importance of trying to keep Berahino but will be be held to ransom and if a move happens it will be as The Gaffer says for money that will further improve our squad as a whole.

Remember we sold one of our best young up and coming forwards in 2001 and look where that took us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies54 on November 16, 2013, 02:02:12 PM
The taking off or pulling his shirt over his head was just another part of his naivety, common sense thing would be to wait for the changing of shirts at the end nobody gets booked for it and his message would be there for all to see, he could even walk up to the camera and show the world.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fireymoosse on November 16, 2013, 08:35:21 PM
He will be gone in January :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on November 16, 2013, 10:16:53 PM
He will be gone in January :-\

So will Benteke 8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on November 17, 2013, 03:47:29 PM
He will be gone in January :-\
Hopefully the Vile will be relegated come January...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on November 17, 2013, 03:51:13 PM
Hopefully the Vile will be relegated come January...

Hopefully? How about probably?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fireymoosse on November 17, 2013, 06:37:33 PM
I really hope we can keep hold on him, alas I do believe he will be gone in January, as I doubt we can match his or his agents aspirations, hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on November 17, 2013, 06:38:33 PM
I really hope we can keep hold on him, alas I do believe he will be gone in January, as I doubt we can match his or his agents aspirations, hope I'm wrong.

Stop fishing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 17, 2013, 07:17:18 PM
How the **** will he be gone in january when he's under contract until 2015 . HOW MANY MORE TIMES !!!!

AAAAAAAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 17, 2013, 07:38:16 PM
How the **** will he be gone in january when he's under contract until 2015 . HOW MANY MORE TIMES !!!!

AAAAAAAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets put it this way mate, I don't think the the poster you've replied to will be standing on the Brummie Rd a week tomorrow (read his other post's)  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 18, 2013, 07:14:59 PM
Oh please.
Indeed mate, I've given up trying !!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 18, 2013, 07:15:45 PM
Lets put it this way mate, I don't think the the poster you've replied to will be standing on the Brummie Rd a week tomorrow (read his other post's)  ;)
Oh I hope he will be so I can administer some ;-)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 18, 2013, 10:51:02 PM
I think if someone like say, Everton, Newcastle, Southampton, West Ham wanted to try to prise him away - they would be chasing a highly promising striker who is a regular for England under 21s. 20k would probably be the starting point on wages.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on November 19, 2013, 11:30:58 AM
I think if someone like say, Everton, Newcastle, Southampton, West Ham wanted to try to prise him away - they would be chasing a highly promising striker who is a regular for England under 21s. 20k would probably be the starting point on wages.

20k ???

This is what is wrong with the English game, plays a few games, rewarded with a massive contract.

IMO Berahino hasnt shown me anything other than being a decent player, hasnt blown anyone away has he
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 19, 2013, 01:28:31 PM
20k ???

This is what is wrong with the English game, plays a few games, rewarded with a massive contract.

IMO Berahino hasnt shown me anything other than being a decent player, hasnt blown anyone away has he
Quite right , we should offer him a really small contract , that way he will still stay with us and send out the right message to others ??? ???
Back in the real world....O hara is on 40k plus , are you honestly telling me Saido should not be on the (around) 25k that the club will offer ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 19, 2013, 01:42:41 PM
Quite right , we should offer him a really small contract , that way he will still stay with us and send out the right message to others ??? ???
Back in the real world....O hara is on 40k plus , are you honestly telling me Saido should not be on the (around) 25k that the club will offer ?
I think it was more of a general term, your example of O'hara is actually backing what he said... paid a huge amount of money when in reality he's done nothing hugely out of the ordinary to warrant it. I feel it's mostly a critique of football salaries as a whole.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on November 19, 2013, 02:26:06 PM
Brunt, Anichebe, Ridewell, Morrison -- All with over 100/200 Premier League games, full internationals etc etc

The ntoe regarding O'Hara, yes we all know he isnt that good anymore, but at the point of signing, O'Hara was playing well.

He had a great year at Pompey etc. Again, he had many more appearances than the 7/8 Saido has got.

Look at Sterling from last year, Connor Wickham, Francis Jeffers etc. DO NOT BUY INTO THE MEDIA HYPE! Saido will only ever be a very good premier league player, similar mould/career to Jermaine Defoe etc.

He is no Rooney, Messi, Ronaldo etc. BY this i mean he will never be the truly 'world class' player some are bigging him up to be.

Yes he will be good, if he has half the career/goals Defoe has got then weve found a talented kid, but lets not jump the gun.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 19, 2013, 06:37:13 PM
If it was announced tomorrow that the club had signed him on a 4 year contract at 20k a week I'd be delighted.
In an ideal world of non inflated wages for footballers it would be great to sign him up on 4 or 5k and bring him through gradually but that's not going to happen.
I'd be stunned if prem clubs with a bit more cash to splash than us tried to get him but only on wages of 10k - it would be a non starter so I think they will try to lure him with 20k plus - could be comfortably more.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 20, 2013, 10:51:01 AM
Either way his next contract will make him a millionaire....

8-10k a week tops he is still a millionaire but he has to progress at the current rate and keeps his feet on the ground to earn the 20-30k level people are talking about
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 20, 2013, 11:24:10 AM
my personal opinion is that he will score a sackful of goals over the next few years.

has to be managed well too for him, but he has big characters who are top top players around him and he will learn his trade well staying and playing with us and with this group of players.

but its still early days with him, plenty of time to get a move if he keeps getting better
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on November 20, 2013, 01:33:21 PM
After the 9-0 goal fest last night I bet he regrets his booking in the previous match
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 20, 2013, 02:43:38 PM
Either way his next contract will make him a millionaire....

8-10k a week tops he is still a millionaire but he has to progress at the current rate and keeps his feet on the ground to earn the 20-30k level people are talking about


no he isn't, 20K a week gets you a million a year 8-10 K gets you roughly 400,000 or 500,000 a year.
I think your figure of 8-10K a week is in the right ball park though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 20, 2013, 03:12:31 PM
3 or 4 year contract though makes it 1.6-2 million

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 20, 2013, 03:23:09 PM
3 or 4 year contract though makes it 1.6-2 million

yes, sorry I misunderstood your post.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionwarrior on November 20, 2013, 04:22:06 PM
Newsnow rumours are suggesting his is about to sign ..... Even the BBC???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 20, 2013, 04:50:32 PM
yes, sorry I misunderstood your post.

no worries easy misunderstanding.

until he does it does it consistently over a period he isn't worth more than 10k a week





Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on November 20, 2013, 05:09:56 PM
He tweets some odd things....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liam-zuiverloon on November 20, 2013, 10:12:45 PM
After the 9-0 goal fest last night I bet he regrets his booking in the previous match

Don't think he'll regret it, a nice touch from the boy to honour his father. Disgraceful that the referee booked him
for it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on November 21, 2013, 09:19:36 AM
If the deal is as reported it is excellent deal from the club's point of view. It secures him for at least another two years and allows us to offer him new contracts as he progresses without busting the club's wage structure. Hopefully he signs and the rumours of his departure can be put to bed for the time being.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on November 21, 2013, 08:49:18 PM
Excellent news but will be happier when we have him actually singed.
Very important for both the club and the player to have him settled and continuing to develop over the next few seasons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on November 22, 2013, 01:09:02 PM
If he does turn out to be a "defoe level" player (and that's a very big if) then you have to accept he will not be playing for us in 3 years anyway

All we can do is maximise the fee we would get for him which I have every confidence the club will do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 26, 2013, 08:19:01 AM
Should have featured last night at some stage.Continuously proving his worth for the U21s hes going to become frustrated at the Albion
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on November 26, 2013, 08:24:36 AM
I think Long was knackered, i'd have liked to see Saido on after 80mins
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on November 26, 2013, 09:20:12 AM
Did anyone note the last few paragraphs of this article about a supposed Saido tweet? Hmmm ... ::)
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/article/165/9042644/-
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on November 26, 2013, 09:59:27 AM
Rather tiresome story Berahino makes a fairly random tweet "Time to be Selfish" the Twittersphere erupts with Baggies fans jumping to conclusions and giving the kid abuse. There are times I despair, those people giving him abuse should be ashamed of themselves.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 26, 2013, 10:02:07 AM
SBerahino
Wtf clearly people dont know me, do i look that immature to talk about my future on here, but thanks for the abuse. Godbless

Who are these muppets who abuse our own players all the time and people wonder why footballers don't feel affiliated to football clubs. No wonder, so many fickle twats about.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 26, 2013, 10:03:11 AM
Rather tiresome story Berahino makes a fairly random tweet "Time to be Selfish" the Twittersphere erupts with Baggies fans jumping to conclusions and giving the kid abuse. There are times I despair, those people giving him abuse should be ashamed of themselves.

Indeed mate, he could have been eating the last chocolate hobnob in the packet for all we know, yet some can wait to give him the "Izzy Brown" treatment. It's pathetic and hopefully he'll realise it's just a few no marks and sign the deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies54 on November 26, 2013, 10:19:33 AM
Indeed mate, he could have been eating the last chocolate hobnob in the packet for all we know, yet some can wait to give him the "Izzy Brown" treatment. It's pathetic and hopefully he'll realise it's just a few no marks and sign the deal.

I think you two have probably got that spot on and it was most likely a chocolate hobnob, because I think he loves his mum enough to give her his last Rolo.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on November 26, 2013, 10:22:22 AM
I think thats the downside to social networking, people can have instant access, give abuse and hide behind a keyboard.

I could be wrong but i am sure i read last night Clarke had said that Albion had expected Berahino to of signed his deal but there was a delay and it was agent related or something like that. People immediate over react and assume he is a money grabbing so and so and the abuse started.

I think he probably has a thick skin and wouldnt be too bothered by a few abusive tweets, i think the 20k plus inside the ground let him know their thoughts better than a few keyboard warriors!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on November 26, 2013, 02:59:54 PM
Hopefully just a storm in the social media teacup then - with chocolate hobnob of course!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 26, 2013, 03:21:09 PM
I was hoping it would be announced as a good news event on the day of the Villa match but not the case. Reading what Clarke said it sounds as though the club would be reluctant to increase the deal that's now in front of Saido - hope it gets done.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on November 26, 2013, 07:37:44 PM
so many plonkers about! quit messing with the guys head to these guys posting this verbal abuse
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on November 26, 2013, 08:22:52 PM
To be honest, I can't believe how naive footballers are to post daft comments like that and not expect idiots to respond with abusive comments.

Ok, it is not the scandal of the century to say "time to be selfish" and who knows what he meant, but, in the context of his situation he was stupid to post such a comment.

Of course people are free to post whatever they like, but high profile tweeters should really know better.

As for his contract situation, he is at the club till at least June 2015, with our option clause.

I don't honestly believe he'll want to be on 850 pound a week till then so a deal will more than likely be reached, probably with a get out clause or two should any large bids come in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 27, 2013, 12:03:15 AM
The BBC stated last week (20th) that a new long-term contract would be signed in the coming days whatever the number of days that could mean. They normally don't quote something unless it is pretty definite. So 7 days on and still no confirmation. Are there now more complications or problems?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on November 27, 2013, 02:42:12 PM
This fella should be getting more game time.Bringing Anechibe on at home instead was a joke
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 27, 2013, 02:52:23 PM
This fella should be getting more game time.Bringing Anechibe on at home instead was a joke

I understood the decision. We were under pressure most of the second half, clearing the ball up the pitch and it wasn't sticking it just came back at us all the time. When Anichebe came on he went some way to holding the ball up and take some of the pressure off so I certainly don't see the decision as a joke. Possibly should have had a chance to replace Long at some point in that game but he's still inexperienced but will get the chances he needs if he keeps his head straight, we have no idea how the contract speculation has affected him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: row ww on November 27, 2013, 03:30:31 PM
Think the tone has changed a little within the Club recently about Saido.Clarkes recent comment about the fact that SC himself thinks Saido has been offered a very good deal,suggests that the Club have made their final offer.He is on contract till 2015 anyway,so cant see him going anywhere else in the short Term.It seems interesting to me that he has hardly had a kick for the first Team recently,Perhaps Clarke thinks Saido is reverting back to his old ways,and is showing signs of getting carried away by his own importance a bit! Obviously I don't know,just speculation,lets hope he signs the new deal quickly,and lets see him back in the first Team again!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 27, 2013, 10:28:14 PM
Yes I was wondering if the contract situation might have influenced the fact he didn't come on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 28, 2013, 08:39:43 AM
Is it the Dingles giving him grief on tweeter 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 28, 2013, 10:05:41 AM
Is it the Dingles giving him grief on tweeter

Sadly not mate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 28, 2013, 10:28:09 AM
One of the reasons twitter is a bad thing for people like Saido. On one hand he's asking for trouble posting such cryptic messages on there and on the other some people simply shouldn't be allowed to use such sites if they can't interact with others without insulting them regardless of the situation. I know I wouldn't use sites like that if I was a footballer at a high level.

I'm still hopeful he will sign a new deal soon and that he will continue to kick on for us in time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on November 28, 2013, 11:48:25 AM
im wondering if hes stalling on a new deal, and thats the reason why we aint played much part in the last 2 games? seemed strange we needed an outlet on monday and he wasnt called upon.

hope it gets sorted soon, because this kid is special.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on November 28, 2013, 03:53:00 PM

West Bromwich Albion
18 seconds ago
Steve Clarke: '"I'm confident Saido Berahino will sign a new contract within the next 24 hours"
Full story to come at www.wba.co.uk
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on November 28, 2013, 04:15:58 PM
Brilliant news - put him in tomorrow to scare the Geordies
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tucka9 on November 28, 2013, 09:49:29 PM
Apparently a 3 and half year deal worth 20k a week, that's one hell of a pay rise.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on November 28, 2013, 10:34:01 PM
Reading between the lines the deal is already done - just waiting for headline catching press conference tomorrow.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on November 28, 2013, 10:51:03 PM
Great news if it happens.....lol.

Seriously, it's about time someone came through the system for us having invested heavily in young players. Let's hope he proves his worth.

My only concern is that the sudden leap in income may send him off the rails so to speak as it often does with young players suddenly having money to burn.

He seems quite level headed with decent family support so fingers crossed it works out for all parties.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on November 29, 2013, 08:01:50 AM
Excellent news, bring it on Saido!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 29, 2013, 09:14:27 AM
Speaking of youth players in general, is anyone else disappointed at the lack of players who actually become regulars in the Albion first team.?

I know it's difficult being a premier team and the reluctance to try the kids in matches, discounting the cups, but it seems like ages since anyone came through for our team.
Berahino and Thorne are the 1st products from the flow blown academy system developed during Ashworth's time. If we average one per year coming through into the 1st team squad from now on then that will be a significant help to the club. As has been said, there's so much competition for team spots in the premier league now, there's bound to be a very high proportion of the academy lads who never play for the 1st team.....and of course it doesn't help when clubs pinch our brighter academy talents like Izzy Brown
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on November 29, 2013, 08:44:12 PM
Im sure that 14k will be heavily dependent on a few stipulations i.e goals, appearances etc.

I maybe wrong but I could'nt see us not protecting ourselves against a sudden loss of form or second season syndrome.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pattayabaggie on December 02, 2013, 01:00:26 PM
Great news! they can start playing him now would like to see how he would get on playing in Sessegnon's role cause he is becoming a liability in front of goal (please don't mention the chelsea goal that was another terrible strike!) i reckon he could blossom in that role if he sticks with Long up top, thoughts guys ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on December 02, 2013, 01:02:02 PM
Now perhaps Clarke will think the poor wee mite is worth a shot in the starting line-up as what I saw at Newcastle, he doesn't exactly have much competition for a place in the team !!!

Well done son, you've earned it !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on December 02, 2013, 01:10:36 PM
Good news we needed a lift. As long as he doesn't become complacent we are onto a winner. Could be a real star for us, hopefully Clarke will play him more now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on December 02, 2013, 01:22:31 PM
Great news! they can start playing him now would like to see how he would get on playing in Sessegnon's role cause he is becoming a liability in front of goal (please don't mention the chelsea goal that was another terrible strike!) i reckon he could blossom in that role if he sticks with Long up top, thoughts guys ?

Agree with that 100%!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on December 02, 2013, 04:36:48 PM
I would stick with Sess in that role - he's not playing as a striker. Assuming we are playing passing football he's the player most able to take defenders on and create some problems for the opposition. Great that Saido has signed but he's fighting it out for one of the front 3 slots in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on December 02, 2013, 08:47:28 PM
Have we got an extra years option on him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on December 02, 2013, 09:25:06 PM
Have we got an extra years option on him?


Not that I can see anywhere.


Its low risk in a way for the club.  He isn't going to cripple the club financially over those 3 1/2 years should we get relegated.  These +1 contracts are designed to protect the club IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on December 03, 2013, 07:13:15 AM

Not that I can see anywhere.


Its low risk in a way for the club.  He isn't going to cripple the club financially over those 3 1/2 years should we get relegated.  These +1 contracts are designed to protect the club IMO.

According to either Lepko or Madely on twitter it is a straight 3 1/2 year deal with no option. Maybe that was the sticking point. We ALWAYS have an option in the clubs favour.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pattayabaggie on December 03, 2013, 11:39:18 AM
According to either Lepko or Madely on twitter it is a straight 3 1/2 year deal with no option. Maybe that was the sticking point. We ALWAYS have an option in the clubs favour.
Lets be honest if he develops like we think he will do then he won't be at the club in 3 1/2 years time so i wouldn't worry about the option of a extra year in the clubs favour, some of the big boys already taking a keen interest in him by the sounds of it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on December 03, 2013, 11:41:47 AM
Straight into the team for me.A consistant run of games
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on December 03, 2013, 11:42:50 AM
Lets be honest if he develops like we think he will do then he won't be at the club in 3 1/2 years time so i wouldn't worry about the option of a extra year in the clubs favour, some of the big boys already taking a keen interest in him by the sounds of it

But that extra year ensures we get full value in any sale, still that is just thinking ahead, at least we have secured our most promising striker on for the next few years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 03, 2013, 12:08:44 PM
Straight into the team for me.A consistant run of games

I think he's been managed very well so far coming in and out of the side so I see no reason to change that too much now. Its a fine balancing act we need to find, he is by no means the finished article but he needs time on the pitch to improve.

I would expect that the reason he hasn't had more game time recently is the affect the contract talks have had on him, if that is indeed the case then he doesn't have that to worry about now and should be 100% focused on improving as a player and we should benefit from that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 03, 2013, 01:12:56 PM
I think he's been managed very well so far coming in and out of the side so I see no reason to change that too much now. Its a fine balancing act we need to find, he is by no means the finished article but he needs time on the pitch to improve.

I would expect that the reason he hasn't had more game time recently is the affect the contract talks have had on him, if that is indeed the case then he doesn't have that to worry about now and should be 100% focused on improving as a player and we should benefit from that.

He has played and scored in 3 of our 4 wins this season. They need to get him into the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 03, 2013, 01:18:15 PM
I'm sure they will get him in the team I just don't think they will be throwing him in to start every game, as I said its a fine balancing act we need to find. In that period where he scored those goals he got to a point where it was virtually impossible for Clarke to leave him out, the first chance he gets he needs to get to that standard again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 03, 2013, 02:05:58 PM
Glad it's all finally done and dusted.

I'd like to see him start against Norwich and Hull, not as a lone striker but in the hole or out wide left.

An attacking 5 of Berahino, Long, Sessegnon, Gera and Amilfitano should cause those defences problems.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on December 03, 2013, 06:53:32 PM
I don't think the question of a years option is an issue at all. If he continues to progress he will have another new contract in front of him in 12 month's time, as Mulumbu did
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on January 29, 2014, 11:39:30 PM
is there a conspiracy throughout the club that restricts his time on the pitch,he hardly gets a game and is easily our best chance of a goal,in tonights express and star brunty is saying we have to be careful with him and not to play him because the expectancy might become to great for such a young player,the situation with his  time on the pitch and the predicament we are in ,is becoming beyond a joke
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on January 29, 2014, 11:43:00 PM
is there a conspiracy throughout the club that restricts his time on the pitch,he hardly gets a game and is easily our best chance of a goal,in tonights express and star brunty is saying we have to be careful with him and not to play him because the expectancy might become to great for such a young player,the situation with his  time on the pitch and the predicament we are in ,is becoming beyond a joke



How many young up and coming footballers are regularly playing for their clubs.That's nonsense
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: maximus on January 29, 2014, 11:44:54 PM


How many young up and coming footballers are regularly playing for their clubs.That's nonsense

The United lad seems to play most weeks, Januzaj.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on January 29, 2014, 11:46:44 PM
The United lad seems to play most weeks, Januzaj.


Barkley at Everton
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on January 29, 2014, 11:47:29 PM
The United lad seems to play most weeks, Januzaj.

Ross Barkley, Ravel Morrison are another 2 of the top of my head.

I would rather Saido played and either Vic or Anelka, than play Vic and Anelka together
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: valleybaggie on January 29, 2014, 11:48:13 PM
top scorer on the bench when we need to score goals to win games could you see liverpool sticking suarez on the bench for five weeks. when he's played he's looked our most potent striker  he should at least get half a game every match
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on January 29, 2014, 11:49:13 PM


How many young up and coming footballers are regularly playing for their clubs.That's nonsense
you think its nonsense that he is the best chance that we have of getting a goal,if he were at top 6 club he wouldn't play,any bottom 6 club ie us,would play him a dam sight more than we do
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 29, 2014, 11:53:04 PM
He has to be playing more from what I have seen of our strikers this season, Berahino has looked the most likely to win us games and points and the most threatening. Yet fourteen times this season he has come off the bench. He needs to be starting more games.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on January 29, 2014, 11:53:44 PM
you think its nonsense that he is the best chance that we have of getting a goal,if he were at top 6 club he wouldn't play,any bottom 6 club ie us,would play him a dam sight more than we do


I mean its nonsense we don't play him when other clubs regularly play players of the same age.Grooming and worrying about blooding him and burnout. We need him on the pitch.If you are good enough you are old enough
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dan7heman on January 30, 2014, 12:06:40 AM
The rumors are he has gone "gansta" since the contract and he's not being played due to attitude. This could all be rumor and hear'say of course.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on January 30, 2014, 12:28:09 AM
Didn't he have issues/bust up when out on loan at Brentford? Does appear to have an attitude problem which is sad when the club gave him an opportunity after escaping the civil war in Burundi.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on January 30, 2014, 12:49:00 AM
couldn't care less what his attitude is like, he is the only striker who even looks likely to put the ball in the net on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 30, 2014, 10:39:41 AM
I can only assume he is picked on performances in training and not match days which for me is wrong. Some players (at all levels) are great in training yet don't perform in matches and vice versa. He is not a kid anymore so all this talk of protecting him is rubbish IMO. Look at players like Rooney, Owen, Fowler, Wilshere, Barkley, Walcott etc. They have been thrown right in at very young ages and it's never caused them any problems.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 30, 2014, 11:17:54 AM
Ibrahimavic seems quite moody but would we give him 10 minutes here or there?
I may be wrong but it would seem if there was a fall out that kiely/downing are keeping a grudge and influencing Mel's thoughts?
Couldn't care less if he's turning up in a wolves tracksuit, with villa boots and bringing a posse of "bitches"to training with him....he's either good enough (so play him) or not (so sell him) and while we are on it if I was VYDRA I'd get a bloody shotgun and take out Clarke , kiely then downing , then sit down with Mel and say "look do you think 7 minutes every 3 matches is fair"?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyfred on February 01, 2014, 01:41:06 PM
tale of 2 managers both have 20 year olds with great prospects one coach says yes he has great potential , but we must keep him grounded and bring him along slowly other coach says get out there and play son , you will make mistakes but we will live with that as long as you learn from them and put the effort in
result one coach fighting for champions league spot and his player has a full england cap , other coach 's team is being sucked into relegation battle.
no prizes for guessing the coaches were Martinez and Clarke ( we know its Mel now but he is still probably taking advice from coaching staff , lets hope he has a different view very quickly)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 01, 2014, 01:46:58 PM
tale of 2 managers both have 20 year olds with great prospects one coach says yes he has great potential , but we must keep him grounded and bring him along slowly other coach says get out there and play son , you will make mistakes but we will live with that as long as you learn from them and put the effort in
result one coach fighting for champions league spot and his player has a full england cap , other coach 's team is being sucked into relegation battle.
no prizes for guessing the coaches were Martinez and Clarke ( we know its Mel now but he is still probably taking advice from coaching staff , lets hope he has a different view very quickly)

Barkley is on a different level to Berahino, he's been in and around the Everton first team for the best part of 4 seasons and is widely tipped to go on to become a Wayne Rooney/Steven Gerrard level player. This is Berahino's first full season with us after several lower league loans.

We're handling Saido alright, I'd like to see more of him but there is clearly something amiss in either his attitude or his application.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on February 01, 2014, 04:43:23 PM
Barkley is on a different level to Berahino, he's been in and around the Everton first team for the best part of 4 seasons and is widely tipped to go on to become a Wayne Rooney/Steven Gerrard level player. This is Berahino's first full season with us after several lower league loans.

We're handling Saido alright, I'd like to see more of him but there is clearly something amiss in either his attitude or his application.

Absolutely. The club has so far nurtured Berahino's talent and physical training to the point he is able to compete in the PL. But the next part of the training is the truly crucial one, and that is the mental approach and mental strength.

There have been signs that Berahino is far from mature which is natural at that age, but if he wants to reach his full potential he needs to grow as a human being and in his application to his profession. The club is correct in handling him with care.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on February 01, 2014, 05:05:16 PM
FFS PLAY THE KID


Regardless of attitude at the moment we NEED wins desperately and we need goals and Berahino is more likely to score them than anyone else we have. We can't afford to be p##### about.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 02, 2014, 09:11:02 AM
How much of a melt down would this site have had if we said that we were going to rely on a bloke who has 30 starts in English football, mainly for Peterborough, Brentford, and Northampton as our main striker?

The bloke clearly has some talent and we should be looking to nuture it, which we are. To expect him to be the saviour of our season is a bit unrealistic and would put significant pressure on young shoulders (which have already been suggested to be immature?)

Let the professionals deal with it ;-)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 02, 2014, 01:15:40 PM
How much of a melt down would this site have had if we said that we were going to rely on a bloke who has 30 starts in English football, mainly for Peterborough, Brentford, and Northampton as our main striker?

The bloke clearly has some talent and we should be looking to nuture it, which we are. To expect him to be the saviour of our season is a bit unrealistic and would put significant pressure on young shoulders (which have already been suggested to be immature?)

Let the professionals deal with it ;-)
It's not really relying as most of our goals have been from midfield anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 02, 2014, 06:08:05 PM
Looks very average when asked to play deep. Either play him up front or not at all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbatillidie on February 02, 2014, 06:58:38 PM
Didn't see the point of sticking him out wide and deep today. Should be Vic/Anelka with Berahino/Vydra.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on February 02, 2014, 07:07:30 PM
Didn't see the point of sticking him out wide and deep today. Should be Vic/Anelka with Berahino/Vydra.

Yep. Vydra and Berahino doesn't work. Same with Anichebe and Anelka.

Need one striker to make the runs and one to provide the assists. We have good options in this regard.

Anelka/Berahino would be my favoured partnership personally.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on February 02, 2014, 07:14:11 PM
Saido is a finisher, he has a finishers instinct. I agree with others he is going to be no use wide right. Barcelona tried Lineker wide right - it didn't work, it wouldn't have worked using Michael Owen wide right, instinctive finishers need to be playing down the middle.

Berahino needs to be part of a two man attack to get the best out of him. To do that means abandoning the three man central midfield though and unfortunately we have looked better playing that way more often than not. The fact that we have no real pace in wide areas doesn't help us either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on February 02, 2014, 09:27:11 PM
I know there is a clamour to start him all the time from a lot of fans, but I have often agreed with the policy to leave him out. I think we saw today why 3 coaches haven't seen him as a regular. The effort was there but his decision making (as you'd expect with an inexperienced player) was lacking, and Mel and Downing spent a good chunk of the first half trying to get him focused on whatever tactical instructions he was supposed to be carrying out, something they clearly didn't think he was doing. In the end they just have up with it and stuck him inside, where he could be a bit more of a free spirit and his performance did improve a little.

I have recently become a little worried about Saido. He has been brilliant this year and his rise to 1st team regular is to be commended, but I am concerned it is going to his head. Suddenly he is a big talking point, a hero for the fans and on a big new deal, it's understandable he may get a bit carried away. I first noticed against Palace in the cup that he was being very selfish, shooting when he should pass, etc. We know that he has previously had some attitude issues, and them seem to keep coming up. I'm also not sure that loads of fans constantly tweeting him all the time telling him he is amazing, should be starting etc are helping. The other players, the coaching staff and us as fans all have a job to do to help him stay on track. For me he still has an awful lot to learn and he needs to develop the selfless aspects of his game to become a regular starter.

A very talented player, who I'm sure will contribute again this year. Right now however, I think he is best coming off the bench, playing as a free spirit when we need a goal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: graka on February 02, 2014, 11:16:13 PM
need to cut him a bit of slack. a natural goalscorer who needs more minutes on the pitch be that starting or getting on from the bench. the vydra/berahino combination didn't work today but we were playing a good Liverpool team so against other teams where we create a bit more might work. if big vic could stay fit he is a good foil for saido or vydra to play off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on February 03, 2014, 09:18:24 AM
I know there is a clamour to start him all the time from a lot of fans, but I have often agreed with the policy to leave him out. I think we saw today why 3 coaches haven't seen him as a regular. The effort was there but his decision making (as you'd expect with an inexperienced player) was lacking, and Mel and Downing spent a good chunk of the first half trying to get him focused on whatever tactical instructions he was supposed to be carrying out, something they clearly didn't think he was doing. In the end they just have up with it and stuck him inside, where he could be a bit more of a free spirit and his performance did improve a little.

I have recently become a little worried about Saido. He has been brilliant this year and his rise to 1st team regular is to be commended, but I am concerned it is going to his head. Suddenly he is a big talking point, a hero for the fans and on a big new deal, it's understandable he may get a bit carried away. I first noticed against Palace in the cup that he was being very selfish, shooting when he should pass, etc. We know that he has previously had some attitude issues, and them seem to keep coming up. I'm also not sure that loads of fans constantly tweeting him all the time telling him he is amazing, should be starting etc are helping. The other players, the coaching staff and us as fans all have a job to do to help him stay on track. For me he still has an awful lot to learn and he needs to develop the selfless aspects of his game to become a regular starter.

A very talented player, who I'm sure will contribute again this year. Right now however, I think he is best coming off the bench, playing as a free spirit when we need a goal.

Both of us with the same wonderful name, both with the same opinion.

People mention his touch, but i find that one of his weakest points
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 03, 2014, 09:24:37 AM
Saido will be the next Chris Wood (or Woods if you are one of those fans who never pronounce names properly, you know who you are  :D ).

I think we jumped the gun offering him 10k a week or more depending on what you believe.

Hope I'm wrong though like I was when we signed McAuley.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 03, 2014, 10:05:06 AM
I thought he was largely lethargic yesterday when there were actually a number of reasons why he should have been looking to impress.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbadazza on February 03, 2014, 10:43:11 AM
It was mentioned on WM that in the first half they could see why he doesn't start every game....poor decision making, naive, etc....clearly a great talent but coming offthe bench as an impact player with a tiring defence is probably a good move at the mo....

if he keeps starting and it doesn't work out, it could murder his confidence as he still is young...lot of pressure for a young kid with no prem experience to be told he is our saviour this season!!!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 03, 2014, 10:44:56 AM
I think his best starting position is from the bench.
He's still learning his craft and I think the sudden exposure to national media and the talk of the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea looking at his has unsettled the lad a bit.
We shouldn't be heaping the responsibility for the way our season pans out onto his shoulders, lets get him eased into the side and back on song.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 03, 2014, 12:48:00 PM
Two things with Berahino firstly all young players suffer from a bit of inconsistency and secondly the least developed part of the game is their judgement, which tends to improve overtime (actually when it doesn't that is often the stumbling block in a players development). To some extent that is what we saw yesterday. Things did not go particularly well for him and he lost his way in the game.

I think it is easier for young players if the coach puts them into roles were they have a clear job I thought the deeper lying role yesterday required Sadio to make a decision as to when to join Vydra and when to hang back and too often he fell between two stools. Personally I would deploy him as a wide attacker with license to roam and instruct the full back not to get ahead of him. It gives him a clear mission without the need to worry overmuch about what is happening behind him. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on February 03, 2014, 06:18:47 PM
he seemed more concerned about defending and playing deep v Liverpool,i would carry on starting him as he is capable of beating his man,only him and sess in the whole squad can do this,his pace keeps the opposition on their toes and they will not commit in numbers when we use pacy forwards,this gives our midfield the upper hand,although a lot of fans not happy with berahino and vydra v Liverpool I think the presence of what they could potentially do pace wise,stopped Liverpool streaming forward at every oportunity
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 03, 2014, 06:28:34 PM
he seemed more concerned about defending and playing deep v Liverpool,i would carry on starting him as he is capable of beating his man,only him and sess in the whole squad can do this,his pace keeps the opposition on their toes and they will not commit in numbers when we use pacy forwards,this gives our midfield the upper hand,although a lot of fans not happy with berahino and vydra v Liverpool I think the presence of what they could potentially do pace wise,stopped Liverpool streaming forward at every oportunity

Amalfitano, Anelka, Jones, Sinclair & now Thievy ??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aztech on February 03, 2014, 06:33:43 PM
he seemed more concerned about defending and playing deep v Liverpool,i would carry on starting him as he is capable of beating his man,only him and sess in the whole squad can do this,his pace keeps the opposition on their toes and they will not commit in numbers when we use pacy forwards,this gives our midfield the upper hand,although a lot of fans not happy with berahino and vydra v Liverpool I think the presence of what they could potentially do pace wise,stopped Liverpool streaming forward at every oportunity

Whilst Berahino clearly has ability, his decision making yesterday was poor to say the least!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on February 03, 2014, 06:34:35 PM
Amalfitano, Anelka, Jones, Sinclair & now Thievy ??
amalfitano once v man utd,jones I will give you, Sinclair not in an albion shirt,anelka never,thievy who knows
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 03, 2014, 06:51:11 PM
amalfitano once v man utd, Please, have you not watched any other games this season

jones I will give you, Thanks

Sinclair not in an albion shirt, You stated SB & SS were the only squad players who could beat their man, Sinclair's injury problems have prevented a run in the team but I think your in a minority of 1 if you don't think he can beat a player

anelka never, His pace is still good & he certainly has the ability to go past defenders

thievy who knows>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juWKCoS17wU
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on February 03, 2014, 07:00:40 PM
Amalfitano did seem to have the ability start when he first came but seems to have lost it as the seasons gone on. Anelka I haven't seen this in any game he has played, composure on the ball may be but beat a man no way, Sinclair has done nothing in the few games he has played, Thievy looks great though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on February 03, 2014, 11:09:57 PM
Saido will be the next Chris Wood (or Woods if you are one of those fans who never pronounce names properly, you know who you are  :D ).

I think we jumped the gun offering him 10k a week or more depending on what you believe.

Hope I'm wrong though like I was when we signed McAuley.
In this day and age it had to be that sort of offer to get him to sign and ensure we get a decent price if someone does come in for him in the next 2 years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on February 04, 2014, 07:46:05 AM
Been said elsewhere but surely Saido buzzing around Big Vic would create lots of chances for the lad. I'd like to see this from the start against palace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on February 04, 2014, 10:51:20 PM
Been said elsewhere but surely Saido buzzing around Big Vic would create lots of chances for the lad. I'd like to see this from the start against palace.
I hope pepe goes for this I also think its our best option upfront
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WSBaggie on April 05, 2014, 12:24:55 AM
Well it is bizarre reading this thread after a couple of months of inactivity.

Best thing since sliced bread and now the most hated player at the club (maybe joint with Ridgewell).

Where has it all gone so wrong?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on April 05, 2014, 06:14:54 AM
Well it is bizarre reading this thread after a couple of months of inactivity.

Best thing since sliced bread and now the most hated player at the club (maybe joint with Ridgewell).

Where has it all gone so wrong?


The moment he put pen to paper on that new contract. The hunger went at that moment and he'd 'made it'.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeb-Dog on April 05, 2014, 06:45:28 AM
There was so much promise in this lad at the start of the season. Had a super start to the season but really curtailed. I've seen nothing in the second half of the season to suggest he can make it at this level. Goals have dried up and his attitude has been very poor off the field. Really needed to go out on loan and us to keep Long.

Hope the fans stick with him though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on April 05, 2014, 10:29:07 AM
Best way he could deal with this (for everybody) is to stick a couple in the back of the net and lay another on for JM today! COYB
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on April 05, 2014, 11:06:58 AM
The lad has a lot of potential and its upto him what he does with it.

He has made some mistakes, and even this week seems to of carried it on with his social media stuff, but also he is a young lad earning stupid money and he has done some stupid things, when i was his age i earnt rubbish money and did stupid things!

Its part of being young and if he has any sense he will realise what he needs to do now to be the best he can be, the last week could be the making of him, hopefully its brought him down a peg or two. Form wise i think he has been poor, but again that happens to most young players at some point, its how they bounce back.

It really is upto him, he can look back and think 'okay i was a p****k, lesson learnt and make the papers for his football talent' or he can act like that idiot at Stoke, have a comment for everything and be in the news for being an idiot rather than anything you do on the football pitch!

I hope the fans dont boo him or anything, give him another chance and see what happens, if he messes up again then judge it then, but it will be interesting to see how both Berahino and James 'Rocky' Morrison do today!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on April 05, 2014, 11:30:54 AM
The saving grace in all of this is Berahino is still young enough to learn from his mistakes but he would not be the first promising youngster to scupper his career because of an attitude problem before that career had begun. The most worrying thing about this was a comment from Chris Lepowski in a Birmingham Mail podcast was that when talking to people prior to writing the article on the dressing room bust up he couldn't find anyone at the club with a good word to say for him in which case his attitude must stink.

Hopefully he can grow up but he needs to do so quickly. How long we persevere with him remains to be seen but I suspect that if the right offer were to come in this summer we might just take the money and run. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 05, 2014, 11:47:53 AM
The lad has a lot of potential and its upto him what he does with it.

He has made some mistakes, and even this week seems to of carried it on with his social media stuff, but also he is a young lad earning stupid money and he has done some stupid things, when i was his age i earnt rubbish money and did stupid things!

Its part of being young and if he has any sense he will realise what he needs to do now to be the best he can be, the last week could be the making of him, hopefully its brought him down a peg or two. Form wise i think he has been poor, but again that happens to most young players at some point, its how they bounce back.

It really is upto him, he can look back and think 'okay i was a p****k, lesson learnt and make the papers for his football talent' or he can act like that idiot at Stoke, have a comment for everything and be in the news for being an idiot rather than anything you do on the football pitch!

I hope the fans dont boo him or anything, give him another chance and see what happens, if he messes up again then judge it then, but it will be interesting to see how both Berahino and James 'Rocky' Morrison do today!

Great that. :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on April 06, 2014, 04:23:59 PM
Did anyone catch the comments from Dean Kiely from the Beeb text commentary today?
I wonder if he had anyone particular in mind?  :-X

BBC Radio 5 live summariser Dean Kiely at Goodison ParkEverton 2-0 Arsenal

"Lukaku has detached himself from the centre-halves and has been out further wide on the right, closer to Monreal, to allow Naismith to mooch around. I couldn't help smile to myself at that goal as all of last season I saw that from him at West Brom. It was a devastating finish with the left foot. Outstanding.

"In this day and age of celebrity footballers, Romelu just wants to play football. He challenged us as coaches every day. He wants to do better. He would want to know from me each week about each goalkeeper. He will be a top-top player for many years to come."
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on April 08, 2014, 12:00:14 AM


 How long we persevere with him remains to be seen but I suspect that if the right offer were to come in this summer we might just take the money and run.

what bid do youthink we would get for him...for that golden month last year someone would have been willing to gamble 5+ but now that the truth is out what bid would we get????  What would you sell him for??  Me i'd hit a 3.5 bid IF one came in (which I doubt) . Maybe I'd live to regret it but.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albertbaggie on April 13, 2014, 08:20:43 AM
Here we go again, more bad press for the club
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/video-premier-league-star-saido-3405798
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mr taz on April 13, 2014, 08:26:32 AM
Get him out the club asap
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies_ash on April 13, 2014, 08:37:47 AM
I think it's becoming more and more apparent as to why the senior players have obviously got such a problem with him. What a farce this season is turning in to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on April 13, 2014, 08:55:46 AM
Hopefully some stupid club will come and take him away for a stupid amount. Hate the utter tool. This is what modern day football breeds. Slowly losing my passion for what used to be a wonderful sport.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on April 13, 2014, 08:59:56 AM
The club has become a laughing stock on and off the pitch this season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on April 13, 2014, 09:00:20 AM
Get him out the club asap

The problem is who will want such a player whose immaturity has seen him featured more on the front pages of the newspapers than the back pages? His ego is clearly much bigger than the ability he has shown so far,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on April 13, 2014, 09:06:12 AM
I agree. Get rid. Waste of a great talent. Ravel Morrison mark 2,

Whatever we get for him will be a good deal.  He'll be playing no higher than Championship for the rest of his career.

James Morrison didn't hit him hard enough.  Perhaps this is why the club didn't make more of the dressing room incident. The players clearly know what he's up to off the pitch.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: section5 on April 13, 2014, 09:28:03 AM
It's only laughing gas they use this stuff in hospital don't they? But obviously someone in his position should know better some friend this person was to him recording him, I have no idea why he would let someone record him I know the effect only lasts 30 seconds but as a pro footballer you should have a bit more sense about you, he's going to have to hit rock bottom to realise what an idiot he's been (saying that he won't with the amount of money he's earnt now he's "made it")
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on April 13, 2014, 09:32:14 AM
He'll probably be at QPR next season.  Barton, Morrison, he'd fit in well. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on April 13, 2014, 09:53:22 AM
The problem is that while people at the club might have known the extent of his off field issues this now breaks it into the public domain and while we might want to sell who in their right mind would buy? I am always staggered as to how footballers with really bad off field reputations seem to find a home but most of the time they at least have some sort of on field track record to make the risk worthwhile Berahino has barely got going.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on April 13, 2014, 10:04:36 AM
The problem is that while people at the club might have known the extent of his off field issues this now breaks it into the public domain and while we might want to sell who in their right mind would buy? I am always staggered as to how footballers with really bad off field reputations seem to find a home but most of the time they at least have some sort of on field track record to make the risk worthwhile Berahino has barely got going.

A couple of weeks back I was on here defending Saido after his mistake against Cardiff. Leaving the ground that day though I did say to someone that I don't think he'll amount to much.

This morning, after reading this stuff and seeing what he has been up to, I take back my defence and stand by my view of his future.

You're right, he has barely got his career going, and I for one will be amazed if he ever does.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 13, 2014, 11:11:38 AM
Problem young players have is when they get the big contracts they start moving in different circles and attract a lot of hangers on and also get the buzz from the big wages and spending money they only dreamed of having when they were younger. Clubs need to do more to prepare young players for it.

Saying that the player is old enough himself to know what he's doing and if he wants to ruin his career before he gets to 25 or so then carry on lad you're doing it right.

Needs someone in his family or his agent/ proper friend not hanger on to sit him down and lay into him otherwise he'll be another Francis Jeffers type player struggling to get a game at the likes of Accrington.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 13, 2014, 11:44:21 AM
Problem young players have is when they get the big contracts they start moving in different circles and attract a lot of hangers on and also get the buzz from the big wages and spending money they only dreamed of having when they were younger. Clubs need to do more to prepare young players for it.

Saying that the player is old enough himself to know what he's doing and if he wants to ruin his career before he gets to 25 or so then carry on lad you're doing it right.

Needs someone in his family or his agent/ proper friend not hanger on to sit him down and lay into him otherwise he'll be another Francis Jeffers type player struggling to get a game at the likes of Accrington.

I think that's justifying his behaviour - there's also lots of head strong youngsters and he's a grown man now. Sickens me that he was bought on over Anichebe. The deal has changed him, gone are his religious tweets, he's an idiot now - get rid asap he's poison.

Just looking on his twitter, who the f*** are these 'west brom' fans complimenting him?! Some people are truly pathetic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 13, 2014, 12:01:11 PM
I think that's justifying his behaviour - there's also lots of head strong youngsters and he's a grown man now. Sickens me that he was bought on over Anichebe. The deal has changed him, gone are his religious tweets, he's an idiot now - get rid asap he's poison.

Just looking on his twitter, who the f*** are these 'west brom' fans complimenting him?! Some people are truly pathetic.

Not justifying his behaviour at all in any way shape or form, he's turned into a dickhead but is not the first and won't be the last. I think clubs need to act more to try and avoid these problems, they're the ones paying massive wages to the kids so maybe they should do more to protect their asset. When you get more money and start moving in different circles heads get turned and hangers on appear and play a part in what were once sensible people turning into complete knobheads, then the money disappears when the career slides and the hangers on disappear leaving the person with no-one as the original proper friends have moved on after being pushed out in favour of the hangers on. If no-one sorts him out thats what will happen to Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Davros1582 on April 13, 2014, 12:02:18 PM
Time to cash in. I have viewed the footage and its utterly embarrassing for both him and the club. I thought we had unearthed a proper player when I saw the game against Newport but he has turned out to be another clown.

Is there anything else that can go wrong this season!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on April 13, 2014, 12:07:30 PM
Get rid >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on April 13, 2014, 12:09:49 PM
Laughing gas isnt it  ???

About as harmful as a few pints and a couple of fags!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on April 13, 2014, 12:10:09 PM
If he's not careful he'll get a reputation and then no matter how minor an incident he's involved in, the press will keep on raking things up. He may be past that point already!
He is only a kid doing what kids do and really needs someone to help mentor him and help with his direction ... but it needs to start from Saido. Come on lad you can do better than this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 13, 2014, 12:11:32 PM
Fine him two weeks wages, stick him in the reserves for the rest of the season and upto him then. Get someone like Anichebe or Cyrille to give the big rollocking he needs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on April 13, 2014, 12:13:24 PM
Fine him two weeks wages, stick him in the reserves for the rest of the season and upto him then. Get someone like Anichebe or Cyrille to give the big rollocking he needs.

Phil its laughing gas?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on April 13, 2014, 12:13:35 PM
I agree with Oldbury if he wants to mess up hes career hes going about it in the right way maybe when he looks at all hes mates going to brazil and then couple years after he ends up in league 1 he wished he done things differently.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on April 13, 2014, 12:14:45 PM
Phil its laughing gas?

Regardless mate hes attitude stinks to me and i dont think the quote " there was a long line of players waiting to knock him out " was far off, Cant stand the guy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on April 13, 2014, 12:15:01 PM
Fine him two weeks wages, stick him in the reserves for the rest of the season and upto him then. Get someone like Anichebe or Cyrille to give the big rollocking he needs.
Good shout
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 13, 2014, 12:17:10 PM
Phil its laughing gas?

We'd just lost 0-3 to Man Utd - I think most of our players were inebriated off, I wouldn't have been partying he doesn't have any passion or regards for the very club that made him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on April 13, 2014, 12:18:29 PM
Done next to nothing since the Newcastle game.................looked so promising first part of the season but now rarely a real threat.

Another home grown potential talent thinking he's made when he's done nowt in the game...................Division One/Two beckons in a few years time the way he's going. He just seems to lack the drive and professionalism now he's earnt a 'man's' contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 13, 2014, 12:19:27 PM
Phil its laughing gas?

I know mate but its not like he works down the road in a factory, he's a professional athlete which comes with responsibilities and after Kyle Walker was given stick for it he should know better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 13, 2014, 12:35:21 PM
Only laughing gas.
It's used as an anaesthetic and the pr1ck was driving. Also we had just lost 3-0.

Anyone mocking the senior pros should take note - at least they are fairly responsible.
Seems they know a thing or two about this fool.

There is no place for this in our club.

He needs to go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on April 13, 2014, 01:40:13 PM
Get rid of this c##t.

I pay my hard earned cash to watch idiots like him,it makes me sick and the attitude of modern day footballers is one of the reasons why i wont be renewing next season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on April 13, 2014, 02:29:14 PM
Supported him after Cardiff but this is inexcusable, I understand that it is meant to be only laughing gas but to get in a car and drive a long distance after puts him and more importantly others at risk.......god forbid we have another Lee Hughes moment.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on April 13, 2014, 02:35:33 PM
Supported him after Cardiff but this is inexcusable, I understand that it is meant to be only laughing gas but to get in a car and drive a long distance after puts him and more importantly others at risk.......god forbid we have another Lee Hughes moment.

It sends you light headed for 30 seconds then that is it. If he didn't drive for those 30 seconds it would have no affect on his ability to drive.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on April 13, 2014, 02:39:00 PM
I couldn't give a hoot about him, my only worry is that with every story like this his price drops by a million or so.

I would however expect much better from someone who has come from a very deprived background and been very very well looked after by the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on April 13, 2014, 02:49:45 PM
Being unfamiliar with effects of the substance in question I wouldn't want to comment on his fitness to drive or otherwise however it is indicative of a party lifestyle which is incompatible with being a highly paid athlete. He has since apologised and I for one would be happy to put it down to experience were it not for the fact that this incident seems to confirm some of our worst fears regarding his attitude. There must come a point where someone has the shape up or ship out conversation with him. I am not sure who he would pay attention to but that person needs to get hold of him and shake him.     
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on April 13, 2014, 02:51:44 PM
Has been a silly boy, but i wonder how much his so called 'Freind' got for selling this to the paper!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 13, 2014, 02:56:03 PM
Has been a silly boy, but i wonder how much his so called 'Freind' got for selling this to the paper!

The sort of hangers on he needs to get rid off who will vanish when things start going wrong and he slips down the leagues to find another mug to hang onto.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on April 13, 2014, 03:11:41 PM
It sends you light headed for 30 seconds then that is it. If he didn't drive for those 30 seconds it would have no affect on his ability to drive.

If that's the case ( & I doubt you not ) why in hell would ANY ONE use it just for a 30 sec buzz surely they could find something to do in them 30 sec, I mean in this case he was in a car with women by the sound of the voice ??? ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on April 13, 2014, 03:16:00 PM
It sends you light headed for 30 seconds then that is it. If he didn't drive for those 30 seconds it would have no affect on his ability to drive.

Mate my knowledge of this substance is poor, if he did it in a bar or at home then wouldn't erk me but sitting behind the wheel of a car and with mates like those, you've have to worry about his mindset and the hangers on that surround him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on April 13, 2014, 05:56:44 PM
It's exactly nonsense like this you'd hope our young up and coming players know to stay away from. Saido has clearly lost the plot this season, especially after signing his big new contract.

I agree with Oldbury, fine the lad and straighten him out. Remember Sessegnon was fined for drunk driving but we signed him after the fact anyway. Sadly Saido seems to have an attittude atm which is what is driving the senior pro's batty. Unfortunately Saido hasn't exactly had the best rode models at the club. Some previous players have been the epitomy of entitlement attitude.

Time to grow up, kid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on April 13, 2014, 06:04:08 PM
Couldn't give a damn if it was laughing gas or bleach he was taking in, his attitude stinks and someone needs to give him another clout. For a supposed God fearing man he has an enormous superiority complex.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 13, 2014, 06:16:31 PM
Couldn't give a damn if it was laughing gas or bleach he was taking in, his attitude stinks and someone needs to give him another clout. For a supposed God fearing man he has an enormous superiority complex.

Well said. I've said earlier I don't condone violence but the boy needs a bloody good hiding. Idiot. go on Morrison I'll hold your coat.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on April 13, 2014, 06:47:07 PM
There was many people on here who wanted him to be given a new contract. Now look at the situation . Methinks he could go the way of many others. And btw isn't it funny how one goal or two makes you an instant star. There was talk of a World Cup call up . I haven't seen much to convince me of his talent .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on April 13, 2014, 06:47:47 PM
I know saido through a friend. He's a nice kid that is young and still learning.

too many people look to pick holes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on April 13, 2014, 07:02:11 PM
Will speak in 15 years time when he has 50 caps for England and 150 goals in the top flight. Has I say 2 goals doesn't.make a great player does it .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 13, 2014, 07:04:14 PM
I know saido through a friend. He's a nice kid that is young and still learning.

too many people look to pick holes.

Well tell him a lot of us really admired his potential, were very excited by him, but if he doesn't wise up fast he is going to pi$$ it all away - whether here or elsewhere.

I would in truth rather he stayed with Albion but for God's sake we have had enough BS this season without any more of his 'learning' based antics. Maybe he isn't ready for first team action after all??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on April 13, 2014, 07:18:35 PM
Saido will be the next Chris Wood (or Woods if you are one of those fans who never pronounce names properly, you know who you are  :D ).

I think we jumped the gun offering him 10k a week or more depending on what you believe.

To early to say I told you so?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on April 13, 2014, 07:25:13 PM
Way, way too early. There were complaints about Raheem Sterlin's behaviour off the field last season and he went off the boil, now this season he's one of the best young players in the world. Berahino has the talent to be a good premier league striker, foolish to close doors on him.

As an aside he's clearly better than Chris Wood, he starts for England under 21's ahead of Danny Ings who's arguably the best striker in the championship.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggy nerd on April 13, 2014, 07:41:09 PM
I was a bit dubious about this player when he made a comment about the club following Clarkes sacking then pretended it was referring to something else.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on April 13, 2014, 07:44:01 PM
Way, way too early. There were complaints about Raheem Sterlin's behaviour off the field last season and he went off the boil, now this season he's one of the best young players in the world. Berahino has the talent to be a good premier league striker, foolish to close doors on him.

As an aside he's clearly better than Chris Wood, he starts for England under 21's ahead of Danny Ings who's arguably the best striker in the championship.

"Better than" Wood in terms of natural ability, but that alone never got anybody anywhere.  Attitude and work ethic turn good players into outstanding players.  Without those he will be nothing more than a Chopra or a Jeffers.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on April 13, 2014, 08:14:07 PM
I know saido through a friend. He's a nice kid that is young and still learning.

too many people look to pick holes.

To be honest mate people aren't having to pick holes,he is giving the ammo to his doubters all by himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WoysWunderful on April 13, 2014, 10:37:47 PM
Nas would have imparted him for a max of 30 seconds. People use them As you feel wonderful for a little bit and then it's over and done with, no comedown, no not sleing for 3 days, no being twisted the entire day after. Seems like another excuse to have a go at Sadio.

Did he even say he was going to take legal action over the Morrison incedent? Or was that just rubbish in the press?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on April 13, 2014, 10:52:47 PM
Nas would have imparted him for a max of 30 seconds. People use them As you feel wonderful for a little bit and then it's over and done with, no comedown, no not sleing for 3 days, no being twisted the entire day after. Seems like another excuse to have a go at Sadio.

Did he even say he was going to take legal action over the Morrison incedent? Or was that just rubbish in the press?

Than can you please explain to me the value of taking it. ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba1993dave on April 13, 2014, 11:25:17 PM
No doubt he has potential , but he could end up like Ravel Morrison playing in the Championship if he doesn't wise up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: chipperclark on April 14, 2014, 04:28:26 AM
 :D Nitrous Oxide (laughing gas) is fairly harmless. Scuba divers get it when they go too deep...gives a feeling of drunkeness.
Wears off fairly quickly.
Don't think he would have done himself much harm
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies37 on April 14, 2014, 07:43:59 AM
Lots of tension and anger around chez Hawthorns at the moment from fans (understandably so).

He's not doing himself any favours but he is a kid and hopefully a stern word come seasons end could have him back on the right track and see an improvement both on and off he field next year.

All this "get rid" nonsense is short sighted. This lad can easily turn this round but he needs some guidance.
If someone gave me 15k a week at 19 im not sure i'd wouldn't come off the rails just a bit.

Need a senior player/coach at the club to come and put his head straight. 
Maybe someone like Cyrille (as mentioned earlier) or a Kevin Campbell type.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albertbaggie on April 14, 2014, 08:08:26 AM
Nas would have imparted him for a max of 30 seconds. People use them As you feel wonderful for a little bit and then it's over and done with, no comedown, no not sleing for 3 days, no being twisted the entire day after. Seems like another excuse to have a go at Sadio.

Did he even say he was going to take legal action over the Morrison incedent? Or was that just rubbish in the press?
People can't keep knocking the press all the time. We have made our own headlines over the past couple of seasons. Give them the ammunition and, of course, they will use it. They aren't there to just report good news, that's what the official Albion site is for. Odemwingie, Berahino, Anelka ... just a disgrace to the shirt. With Berahino, there's still time to turn it around, if he gets his head right. I hope but doubt he will. Really long for  the days when we had proper heroes at this club, Super Kev, Super Bob, Andy Hunt etc. Even The Horse..would love a player with his commitment now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 14, 2014, 09:13:02 AM
:D Nitrous Oxide (laughing gas) is fairly harmless. Scuba divers get it when they go too deep...gives a feeling of drunkeness.
Wears off fairly quickly.
Don't think he would have done himself much harm

Nitrous Oxide, what next?
Unless someone puts a choke chain on this kid he's not worth the bother. The clubs been dragged through enough of late. Time to put a stop to it,.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on April 14, 2014, 09:19:56 AM
Nitrous Oxide, what next?
Unless someone puts a choke chain on this kid he's not worth the bother. The clubs been dragged through enough of late. Time to put a stop to it,.


I work for BOC gases.This aint no joke
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on April 14, 2014, 09:57:21 AM
Sack him. I'm all for giving people a second and maybe even third chance but this kid seems more hassle than he's worth.

Even Brentford got rid due to a bad attitude.

I know we wont sack him but I hope we've made it very clear that anything else will be punished severely. All his humble words at the start of the season seem very hollow now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on April 14, 2014, 10:10:54 AM
The only good thing to come out of this is that is happened after the Man United game and so was around 5-6 weeks ago.

Since then there has been the 'Morrison punch' stuff and hopefully that was the moment when he realised he was been a tool, i dont think anybody wants to go to work everyday knowing their work mates want to have a pop at them and by all accounts there were a fair few waiting to do it! Also i think a lot of fans reaction was good he deserved the slap for been an arrogant so and so, he didnt seem to get much sympathy and so lets just hope the penny has dropped after that.

If this 'legal high' happened since the Cardiff game i think the club would have a big decision to make as it would seem he wouldnt of learnt his lesson, but it happened a while ago and so i think he is now very close to being his last chance.

Its over to Saido, has a lot of potential, but potential with the wrong attitude means nothing, lets hope recent history is just him been a spoilt brat and he he now knows what he can and cant do to be the top footballer he can possibly be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hulsey74 on April 14, 2014, 10:16:16 AM
I have to smile reading this thread, half of the people saying get rid, are the same people that were saying give him 30k per week JP you tight ar@e!!

Perhaps, now people will start to understand why you cannot just go around giving out 4 yr contracts at 20-40k per week............ becomes a very expensive liability when it does not work out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on April 27, 2014, 09:17:26 PM
I'm surprised no one has given the lad any credit for his performance yesterday on this thread. People were quick to give him stick for his mistake against Cardiff. I thought he did well yesterday against a physical defence and with a bit of luck could have scored another. This kid is the future for us, we need to support him. Without his goals this season we'd be in big trouble.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on April 27, 2014, 09:31:14 PM
He worked hard and did well. I agree he needs support and I hope Pepe and/or one or two of the senior players can give him some support on and off the pitch. He clearly needs steering in the right direction sometimes but he certainly has talent.
I get the impression that Pepe in his selection responds to the work that people are putting in during the week so it could be that Saido has knuckled down since his couple of recent episodes.
I did think Vydra was unlucky to be left out though given his performances in the last 2 home games.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on April 27, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
played well yesterday and with the right attitude,should have done better with the 2 clear cut chances he had in 2nd half but deserves credit for his overall performance;i was surprised vydra didn't start as I think at this stage he is way ahead of berahino technically but hopefully this will come in time
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on April 27, 2014, 11:35:04 PM
Just heard Saido being referred to as 'Beraheenio' on MOTD. It's 'Beraheeno' he's not Brazilian!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 28, 2014, 08:01:50 PM
He's probably worth north of 5 mill,he's being paid thousands a day,he's still a kid and even though many might not like it,he's employed as a footballer not a role model??
Get a bit fed up of people slating him for doing nothing wrong,Morrison should shut up,on Saturday against West Ham he was in the corner,did he keep the ball??,no lost it and they broke,and laughing gas??really??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on April 29, 2014, 11:58:24 PM
He's probably worth north of 5 mill,he's being paid thousands a day,he's still a kid and even though many might not like it,he's employed as a footballer not a role model??
Get a bit fed up of people slating him for doing nothing wrong,Morrison should shut up,on Saturday against West Ham he was in the corner,did he keep the ball??,no lost it and they broke,and laughing gas??really??

I noticed that too. Morrison has been abysmal all season. Berahino has got goals and assists, crucial ones too. Berahino has great potential. A very valuable asset.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 30, 2014, 06:34:29 AM
I noticed that too. Morrison has been abysmal all season. Berahino has got goals and assists, crucial ones too. Berahino has great potential. A very valuable asset.

Difference is that Morrisson has proved that he can play in this division season on season, ok he's not pulled up any trees this season but neither have the likes of Van Persie. He's had a blip and hopefully he can get back to form for next season.
Berahino has the talent but has yet to prove that he has the disposition to perform season after season. He's a kid that needs to learn a bit of respect and humility.
That cuffing that Mozza gave him might just have been the wake up notice that he needed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on April 30, 2014, 07:18:24 AM
Difference is that Morrisson has proved that he can play in this division season on season, ok he's not pulled up any trees this season but neither have the likes of Van Persie. He's had a blip and hopefully he can get back to form for next season.
Berahino has the talent but has yet to prove that he has the disposition to perform season after season. He's a kid that needs to learn a bit of respect and humility.
That cuffing that Mozza gave him might just have been the wake up notice that he needed.

I wonder if that's the first time Mozza has been compared to Van Persie?

JM has, to be fair, been more than pants this season, but I thought he put a good shift in when he came on last Saturday.

And quite agree about him slapping Saido, seems the boy needed a reminder about not getting too big headed and JM served him notice.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DownInAlbion on May 02, 2014, 08:19:02 PM
Saido made the bench in Vice's alternative team of the premier league season

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/vices-11-favourite-players-of-the-season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on May 02, 2014, 08:41:29 PM
Not given the credit he deserves. He's scored some vital goals. 4 in our 7 wins including 3 winners. Where would we be without those goals eh?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ABaggie on May 02, 2014, 08:49:14 PM
Not given the credit he deserves. He's scored some vital goals. 4 in our 7 wins including 3 winners. Where would we be without those goals eh?
A lot higher up the table if we had a better striker!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on May 02, 2014, 08:56:21 PM
Not given the credit he deserves. He's scored some vital goals. 4 in our 7 wins including 3 winners. Where would we be without those goals eh?

Spot on.  Remove Lukaku's goals from last season and we'd have been nine points worse off.  Remove Saido's from this season and we're seven points worse off.  Scoring one game-changing goal is infinitely more valuable to us than scoring ten consolation goals, and although he's got a long way to go yet, Berahino has that knack.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ABaggie on May 02, 2014, 09:03:28 PM
Spot on.  Remove Lukaku's goals from last season and we'd have been nine points worse off.  Remove Saido's from this season and we're seven points worse off.  Scoring one game-changing goal is infinitely more valuable to us than scoring ten consolation goals, and although he's got a long way to go yet, Berahino has that knack.
What a stupid argument! Do you really think we would've played with 10 men in those games if Lukaku or Berahino hadn't played in them?
Someone else would've played in their place. With a different player it's just as likely we would've scored more as it is that we would've scored less.

Our results after Lukaku became a regular were shocking so while he scored a lot of goals he didn't actually improve the results of the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 02, 2014, 09:22:12 PM
What a stupid argument! Do you really think we would've played with 10 men in those games if Lukaku or Berahino hadn't played in them?
Someone else would've played in their place. With a different player it's just as likely we would've scored more as it is that we would've scored less.

Our results after Lukaku became a regular were shocking so while he scored a lot of goals he didn't actually improve the results of the team.

I thought that was a really interesting fact! :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on May 02, 2014, 09:23:02 PM
Do you really think we would've played with 10 men in those games if Lukaku or Berahino hadn't played in them?
Someone else would've played in their place. With a different player it's just as likely we would've scored more as it is that we would've scored less.

So if we'd fielded, let's say, Markus Rosenberg in place of Lukaku or Berahino, you think we'd have equalled or exceeded their goals tally?  It's largely a speculative argument whichever way you look at it, but the evidence isn't good.  Different players have different abilities and merits, and there's no guarantee that one will even put on target the kind of chance that another would stick in the back of the net in the blink of an eye.

You can only rate players on what they do for you.  Comparing them to imaginary Roy of the Rovers goal-machines is nothing short of risible.

Our results after Lukaku became a regular were shocking so while he scored a lot of goals he didn't actually improve the results of the team.

Exactly the point I was making about the value of game-changing goals compared to consolation goals.  So, it's such a stupid argument that you actually agree with it?   ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ABaggie on May 02, 2014, 09:41:34 PM
Exactly the point I was making about the value of game-changing goals compared to consolation goals.  So, it's such a stupid argument that you actually agree with it?   ::)

But exactly how many of those game-changing goals would not have been scored if a different striker had played in place of Berahino? The goal at Old Trafford? Any more? But there are loads of other chances that we may well have scored if Berahino hadn't been on the pitch because he may become a premiership striker if he fulfils his promise but he is nowhere near at the moment
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on May 02, 2014, 10:01:36 PM
But exactly how many of those game-changing goals would not have been scored if a different striker had played in place of Berahino? The goal at Old Trafford? Any more? But there are loads of other chances that we may well have scored if Berahino hadn't been on the pitch because he may become a premiership striker if he fulfils his promise but he is nowhere near at the moment

Yes, I agree that another striker may have scored the same goals, but then again, they may not; it's all pure speculation, and I deal strictly with the evidence in front of me.  The best way of judging a goalscorer's impact, for me, is measuring the points his goals have directly contributed to our season; it's not a perfect system by any means, and it doesn't account for might-have-beens, but nevertheless, it delivers some concrete facts to base opinions on.

Of course Saido isn't a full-fledged Prem striker yet; as I said in my initial post, he has a long way to go.  But his game-changing goals this season have been a demonstrable boon to us.  As they say, a bird in the hand...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on July 31, 2014, 03:14:56 PM
I honestly think this kid has a real bright future and, if he applies himself correctly, could get 15+ goals next season. I know he has attitude problems, but if Irvine is as good as he is being lauded when it comes to getting the best from youth, he could be our ace in the hole.
He's not the greatest footballer, but neither were Lineker or Shearer, they just had a real eye for goal. He's never going to be in their league, but could still carve out a good career if he keeps his feet on the ground IMO.

What's others thoughts, good prospect or overrated flash in the pan?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on July 31, 2014, 03:20:19 PM
Do or die season for him I think he should start showing more promise this campaign if he is to be successful, I think your right he could be more of a goalpoacher than someone who takes a man on, Over to you Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on July 31, 2014, 03:20:41 PM
Welcome to the forum Saido  ;D

The kid has talent, just needs to apply himself to be honest. Get his head down, and let the football do the talking. At the moment he goes missing alot
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on July 31, 2014, 03:24:19 PM
Welcome to the forum Saido  ;D

The kid has talent, just needs to apply himself to be honest. Get his head down, and let the football do the talking. At the moment he goes missing alot

Need the bonuses to pay for my new Range Rover! ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on July 31, 2014, 03:38:30 PM
overrated flash in the pan !
Needs to much "management" for my liking, but then I am an old fart and he's a modern footballer so its not surprising I think that way
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 01, 2014, 08:37:27 AM
As long as he shows improvement in things like decision making and can score a few more goals then I'll be happy.

 Improvement season on season is what I want/expect from young players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 01, 2014, 08:45:55 AM
Big season for him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on August 01, 2014, 08:53:00 AM
I don't see it as a do or die season. He just needs to knuckle down, work hard, keep developing as a footballer and stay out of the headlines for the wrong reasons.


Still young but I think we'll see him nail down a regular first team place if he gets his attitude right.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: talkSAFT on August 01, 2014, 08:56:11 AM
I hope the new Coach will tell him off if he gets too greedy. How many times last season did he shoot when others were in a better position?
Pepe just seemed to let players do what they want, and Bigshot just wanted goals on his CV.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on August 01, 2014, 08:59:22 AM
I don't see it as a do or die season. He just needs to knuckle down, work hard, keep developing as a footballer and stay out of the headlines for the wrong reasons.


Still young but I think we'll see him nail down a regular first team place if he gets his attitude right.
I'd agree with that but I am hoping for a solid season from him with headlines for the right reasons, hopefully a bit of maturity and competition for places will bring the best out of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 04, 2014, 08:39:42 AM
If he carries on like Saturday can't see him starting many games even if we play 451 at home with big Vic upfront and sessgnon in behind or dorrans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 04, 2014, 08:53:46 AM
If he carries on like Saturday can't see him starting many games even if we play 451 at home with big Vic upfront and sessgnon in behind or dorrans.


we need strikers.Big Vic and Berahino aint going to score the goals for us required.We just spent 10 million on a bloke we cant get a permit for and will miss the start of the season ffs.What date did we sign him again >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 04, 2014, 09:12:39 AM

we need strikers.Big Vic and Berahino aint going to score the goals for us required.We just spent 10 million on a bloke we cant get a permit for and will miss the start of the season ffs.What date did we sign him again >:(


we need strikers.Big Vic and Berahino aint going to score the goals for us required.We just spent 10 million on a bloke we cant get a permit for and will miss the start of the season ffs.What date did we sign him again >:(
I imagine Ideye will come straight in there's no excuse why he shouldn't be training on he's own.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieNick on August 05, 2014, 09:27:54 PM
The key to getting the best out of Berahino is to confiscate his mobile phone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on August 16, 2014, 07:58:14 PM
Good to see him get two goals. I felt Saido worked very hard today especially off the ball.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 16, 2014, 08:02:45 PM
He's a goalscorer and given the opportunity he will score goals.

He's not the finish product yet but he's getting there.  His awareness is something that needs to improve but I would imagine given time and a better understanding with our new players that will eventually come.

For such a young man he has great composure though. That's two excellent penalties he's taken for us when he pressure was on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wardy65 on August 16, 2014, 08:56:54 PM
Proper cool head from the spot. Wasn't a fan of Nathan Ellington, but he was a cool penalty taker & Saido seems similar.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on August 16, 2014, 09:30:39 PM
He's a goalscorer and given the opportunity he will score goals.

He's not the finish product yet but he's getting there.  His awareness is something that needs to improve but I would imagine given time and a better understanding with our new players that will eventually come.

For such a young man he has great composure though. That's two excellent penalties he's taken for us when he pressure was on.

Agreed, i also think his decision making lets him down. Whether its lack of vision, poor decision making, lack of awareness or just single mindedness he often retains the ball for too long
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 17, 2014, 08:46:49 AM
I'm quite happy for him to be that naive/unfinished/attitudinal every week.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on August 17, 2014, 09:16:15 AM
Well he's a fifth of the way to his target of double figures already. Just hope he keeps up the application which Irvine spoke about on Friday. Saido and Bobby could well become our front 2 of choice and we could reasonably hope for double figures from both.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 17, 2014, 10:30:35 AM
I think Berahino is an instinctive goal scorer and if we basically get him in and around the box there is a player that can certainly get to double figures. The question is how to get him into the team without exposing his weaknesses , he is a little bit too slight to play as a lone striker and lacks the vision to play as and number 10 (although over time this can and will improve). Personally I would play him in a 4-3-3 either side of a number 9 in front of the more defensively inclined side of the midfield and defence.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on August 17, 2014, 10:36:28 AM
I think Berahino is an instinctive goal scorer and if we basically get him in and around the box there is a player that can certainly get to double figures. The question is how to get him into the team without exposing his weaknesses , he is a little bit too slight to play as a lone striker and lacks the vision to play as and number 10 (although over time this can and will improve). Personally I would play him in a 4-3-3 either side of a number 9 in front of the more defensively inclined side of the midfield and defence.

And that is also how we'd fit in Sess, on the other side of Saido. Although where does the new winger we need fit in then?!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on August 17, 2014, 12:09:23 PM
Don't think we appreciate just how good saido is. We should make him feel loved, the guy is quality. If we'd signed him for £10million we'd be going loopy over how good he is! Reminded me of odemwingie yesterday, could really make the right wing position his own.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 17, 2014, 01:24:38 PM
Think he played well yesterday.
His movement off the ball is largely excellent, he pulls defenders out of postion and ghosts into dangerous areas just as he did for his second.
Good performance from him all around and he looked very sharp. He has clearly put a lot of effort into his preseason work, let's hope that he and the team reap the benefits over the course of the whole season.
Well done Saido.
 8).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 17, 2014, 03:14:11 PM
And that is also how we'd fit in Sess, on the other side of Saido. Although where does the new winger we need fit in then?!

I am not sure there is a way accommodating all the potential forward and wide players we might have by the window closes but I would be looking to Berahino on the pitch possibly ahead of more senior players like Sessegnon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on August 17, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Sessegnon needs a free role behind the striker. I really wouldn't want to see him anywhere else. He hasn't got the discipline to play out wide. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: robnewbold on August 18, 2014, 01:51:56 AM
May as we'll revel in the fact the we have the top scorer in the Premier League currently. Hope we can say the same ten games in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on August 18, 2014, 08:16:47 AM
For all AIs weaknesses he is thought of highly in the youth coaching circles. Hopefully what we saw on Saturday was influenced by AI and will push him onto the next level.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: NEBaggie on August 18, 2014, 08:18:11 AM
For all AIs weaknesses he is thought of highly in the youth coaching circles. Hopefully what we saw on Saturday was influenced by AI and will push him onto the next level.

It might be quite beneficial that we have a relatively (and I emphasise relatively) young squad then...?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on August 18, 2014, 08:34:56 AM
Well if long is worth over 12 million what is saido value got a player here me thinks?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 18, 2014, 08:54:15 AM
He appears to have a good future if he can introduce a bit of consistency and show he is not a dick. However,  we shouldn't put the extra weight of expectation on his shoulders and suggest he is the next saviour of WBA. Yet!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 18, 2014, 10:02:00 AM
What's his right position? Seems to play quite well on the wing but he's a natural goalscorer!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 18, 2014, 11:12:39 AM
Don't care if saido is a dick, quite interesting that many are mentioning his attitude etc what about the "seasoned"pro that thinks it's ok to slap a young player in front of the rest of the team?
Saido has it, can play, great pace and very aware for his age, willing to play wide for the team and still very dangerous, let's enjoy the future superstar.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 18, 2014, 11:35:05 AM
Don't care if saido is a dick, quite interesting that many are mentioning his attitude etc what about the "seasoned"pro that thinks it's ok to slap a young player in front of the rest of the team?
Saido has it, can play, great pace and very aware for his age, willing to play wide for the team and still very dangerous, let's enjoy the future superstar.
Lets bring back Anelka, Bednar and Odemwhingie too. Football is a team game if you don't have the respect of your fellow team mates it becomes a lot harder game. Having had a slap from a "seasoned" pro, do you think Saido has improved or regressed as a professional footballer?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 18, 2014, 04:50:57 PM
Well on the first point, ibrahimavic, ballotelli,Ronaldo and Cantona all had "attitudes" would you refuse to sign them?

On the second point, not for one second do I think the slap has had any positive effect on saido, I think he believes in his own ability and quite rightly too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 18, 2014, 04:51:40 PM
Lets bring back Anelka, Bednar and Odemwhingie too. Football is a team game if you don't have the respect of your fellow team mates it becomes a lot harder game. Having had a slap from a "seasoned" pro, do you think Saido has improved or regressed as a professional footballer?
For what it's worth I'd have anelka and pete back tomorrow .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on August 18, 2014, 05:07:38 PM
On what basis . Annelka too old , bad attitude and hasn't had a good season in 3 years . Has for the other one I am sure he burnt his bridges a long time ago . For clarity you need to remember we recued him from a nightmare at his previous club . Also  12 months before his transfer deadline antics he wanted away . Is this the type of player we need at our club . I don't think so .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 18, 2014, 05:10:32 PM
Did someone just say they would have Anelka back  :-X, appalling attitude and complete sick note for us, waste of wages that was.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 18, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
For what it's worth I'd have anelka and pete back tomorrow .
Lets hope tomorrow never comes !!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on August 19, 2014, 11:36:48 PM
deep down i miss Pete. Anelka??? DISASTER!!!!  A good few of us KNEW he would be from the day he was signed, and posted so at the time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on August 20, 2014, 10:58:44 AM
deep down i miss Pete. Anelka??? DISASTER!!!!  A good few of us KNEW he would be from the day he was signed, and posted so at the time.

In the end Both thought they were to big for the club but both players could find the back of the net. Pete goal record speaks for it self unfortunately the same cant be said about Nicko while he was a Baggie.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 20, 2014, 12:06:17 PM
I miss Odemwingie being a part of our team, appalled as I was by his attitude at the end.

Fantastic player. I'd forget every bloomin word he's said if he was back with us!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 20, 2014, 12:11:29 PM
Anelka??? DISASTER!!!!  A good few of us KNEW he would be from the day he was signed, and posted so at the time.

You "knew" nothing, you just guessed negatively and it turned out right. People have been guessing negatively on this board for the last 4 years as "knowing" stuff that never came to pass. Moose, Rainbow etc etc all "knew" we were going down and JP would never step up... getting one right out of 20 doesn't warrant an "I told you so"

In regards to Saido, if he can get at least 10 goals in the Prem this season, then he'll have paid off the accademy on his own. British, 21, scoring striker who is playing in the Prem.... Easily worth £10mill in this market, if not closer to £15m+
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on August 27, 2014, 11:15:33 PM
does anybody else think he should be starting upfront he looks our most natural goalscorer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on August 27, 2014, 11:46:46 PM
Hindsight is a great thing . All of these players have gone we should move on . Annelka was here for a meal ticket wasn't he . And the other nob wanted away 12 months before the qpr incident . So forget your odemwingie love in , it didn't last .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 28, 2014, 08:36:21 AM
does anybody else think he should be starting upfront he looks our most natural goalscorer
No. Might in time but not good enough at the minute.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 28, 2014, 09:49:39 AM
does anybody else think he should be starting upfront he looks our most natural goalscorer

In time he could be a very good striker. At the moment I think he's doing a great job out wide, really putting a shift in looking dangerous going forward and really helping out the full-back when needed.

He may be one of those strikers that suffer from not having a strike partner to feed off, if we insist on playing a lone striker I don't think he's suited to it but with that said I'm not sure we have one that is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: NEBaggie on August 28, 2014, 09:55:27 AM
I think Berahino needs a big guy playing just behind him to act as a distraction for the opposition and to knock some balls onto him. From the little I have seen, he plays off the shoulder of a defender well and I reckon that would benefit him.

Samaras or Ideye would be ideal...even Anichebe if I'm up for a debate.  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 28, 2014, 10:03:45 AM
I miss Odemwingie being a part of our team, appalled as I was by his attitude at the end.

Fantastic player. I'd forget every bloomin word he's said if he was back with us!


He has never again reached the same level he was in his first 12 months with us, looks very ordinary these days.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 28, 2014, 10:04:07 AM
Yeah I think Saido will have to develop into a SKP type of striker. Saido doesn't really have the pace to simply outrun defenders nor the speed and agility to turn them inside out. I still like him a lot and think in the right set up he could be a gem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on August 28, 2014, 10:57:21 AM
I've been very impressed with his work rate so far this season. I think if he keeps up this attitude he will go on to develop into a good player at this level.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on September 09, 2014, 06:16:41 PM
Scored twice again for England under 21's, match ongoing and unlucky to not have at least a hat trick. Up to 9 goals in 11 games for the under 21's which makes him the equal second highest scorer of all time. Only Shearer, Bent, Lampard, Milner, and Jeffers have equal or more goals. Not a bad list to be apart of Jeffers aside.

He's criminally underrated by a lot of our fans, a fantastic striking talent waiting to happen if he keeps his head and is bought on well by the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 09, 2014, 07:23:02 PM
Yes hopefully we will play a similar setup to the Sunderland game on Saturday with Saido more advanced then he has been in the two away games.
Whatever you think of him the fact is he was our top scorer last year and is, at this early stage, our top scorer this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 09, 2014, 11:17:52 PM
But will the coaching staff play him in his natural position instead of stuck out wide?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 09, 2014, 11:27:29 PM
But will the coaching staff play him in his natural position instead of stuck out wide?

It's funny you say that. My dad keeps banging on that Berahino isn't a number 10 and that he'd be better out wide. To be honest I haven't really seen much of Saido recently so I am reserving judgement at the moment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 10, 2014, 12:11:12 AM
He's a striker not a winger. Really does do my head in when he's stuck out there, not half as much as a threat as he could be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on September 10, 2014, 12:19:15 AM
Berahino is a number 9 not a number 10 or a winger. He's the type who would be best playing off another striker. For us to do that we'd have to play two up which means either 4-4-2 or 3-5-2.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 10, 2014, 08:16:44 AM
Firstly lets not get carried away by how well he does in the Under 21's. It shows he has good potential but we already know that but it just isn't up there quality wise with the Premier League, would be great to see him kick on for us while playing up front but with the system we have played so far he isn't suited to the lone striker role.

Maybe when everyone is fit the system may change to two up front but at the moment he is actually performing well for us out wide, full credit to him as his attitude has been in question in the past.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on September 10, 2014, 08:55:31 AM
Firstly lets not get carried away by how well he does in the Under 21's. It shows he has good potential but we already know that but it just isn't up there quality wise with the Premier League, would be great to see him kick on for us while playing up front but with the system we have played so far he isn't suited to the lone striker role.

Maybe when everyone is fit the system may change to two up front but at the moment he is actually performing well for us out wide, full credit to him as his attitude has been in question in the past.

Spot on, Dawson was solid for the 21's and scored a fair share, yet he's completely useless at premier league level in my opinion
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 10, 2014, 10:49:19 AM
Just found this article on the FA website. It seems as though he's got his head together a little bit more now.

http://www.thefa.com/news/england/under-21/2014/sep/player-reaction-moldova-100914 (http://www.thefa.com/news/england/under-21/2014/sep/player-reaction-moldova-100914)

Saido Berahino has refused to settle for personal accolades as he looks to fire England Under-21s to next summer’s Euro finals in Czech Republic.

The West Bromwich Albion forward bagged a brace against Moldova on Tuesday to take his tally in the group stage to nine goals in eight appearances.

It is the sort of form that has drawn praise from boss Gareth Southgate, whose team await Friday’s draw for the play-off round after topping Group One with nine wins in 10 matches.

And Berahino’s record in front of goal has put him joint third in the all-time Under-21 scoring records, just four strikes behind former Three Lions captain Alan Shearer and Francis Jeffers.

“It’s nice to hear about my record this season and hopefully I can break the total one day, but I just thank god that I’ve contributed to the team,” he told TheFA.com after the 3-0 victory in Tiraspol.

“You could see tonight that, even though there were a few changes [to the team], everyone stepped in and did their job.

“It just shows how strong we are as a group, we all gelled together and we all play together and understand each other well.

“The group is getting stronger and stronger as games are going by, so it was important that we got the victory and now we can kick on and go into the play-offs with confidence.”

After leading the line during Friday’s win over Lithuania, Berahino was switched into more of a supporting role in Moldova.

But after linking well with fellow forwards Harry Kane and Nathan Redmond, the 21-year-old admits he is more than comfortable in any of the positions.

“I’ve played on the left before for my club and I’ve played on the right, so I’m lucky enough that I can play on either side of the striker and up front if I’m required,” he added.

“I could have got four goals, but I’m happy to have got two and to contribute to the victory”

“Tonight, it was about going out there and doing what’s required for the team and I was happy to get on the scoresheet.

“I was actually disappointed with myself because I thought I had good chances, especially in the second half, to get my hat-trick.

“I could have got four really, but I’m still happy to have got the two goals and to contribute to the victory.

“I just need to make sure that I go back and work hard on the training pitch to ensure that I take every chance that comes my way.”

England already knew that they had secured top spot in the group a play-off berth earlier this summer, following their win over Wales in Swansea.

But Berahino says the attitude instilled by Southgate and his staff, along with the stiff competition for places, means there was never any danger of the players losing their focus.

“The staff, especially the gaffer, have ensured that we’ve been professional about it, even though we’d already qualified with two games left,” he explained.

“We made sure that we finished strongly, that’s what we’ve tried to do and it’s good that we have the momentum to take into the play-offs.”


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 10, 2014, 11:19:27 AM
Good too see him scoring more goals. Hopefully he brings that back with him.

The lad should be applauded and supported massively by us, he is one of our own and from the area with a real bright future ahead of him.

Lets get behind the lad and push him on, not negatively get at him let the press do that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on September 10, 2014, 12:57:26 PM
we massively underrate saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 10, 2014, 01:04:47 PM
we massively underrate saido

Not really. I said a few weeks ago if we made him available we'd get £20 million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 10, 2014, 01:21:17 PM
I'm on the fence with him I guess.

I see the obvious potential in the lad, he has a natural eye for goal and some of his finishes have been exquisite. Clearly has no lack of self confidence which is both a pro and a con, if he is focussed with it then it is a huge advantage, but it is just as likely to cause him to tail off like last season following his signing of the contract (coincidence or not).

My qualm is whether he is ready to be a week in week out starter for us yet. I think if you play him it has to be as a striker, he isn't a winger for me, too dangerous in front of goal to play him anywhere else if you are going to play him.

I've thus far seen nothing of Brown and whilst Vic doesn't score many, his attributes in holding the ball up and bringing others into the game are clear.

It all depends on how many we play up top. If we have two up front it should be easy enough to accomodate all three for those roles with Samaras more of a winger drifting in from the left but I have always felt we look better with one up top and two attacking wingers supporting the striker with three central players.

Not sure Berahino is enough of a presence as yet to play the lone striker role.

Conundrum for AI.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 10, 2014, 01:21:49 PM
we massively underrate saido

His scoring record for us needs to improve. Until that does we are rating him correctly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on September 10, 2014, 01:57:25 PM
 For me he has to play up to as part of a duo. Either Ideye or Anichebe has to partner him.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 10, 2014, 02:26:15 PM
I think some of our fans are in never never land with him, he has yet to beat a man for as long as I can remember and has rarely affected games over the last 12 months bar the odd game here and there, he's at the age now where he should be progressing and showing positive signs in this league on a more consistent basis now, Find it hard to believe he will have a starting place when valera is fit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 10, 2014, 02:41:42 PM
I reckon he will be at a Championship club in a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 10, 2014, 02:47:26 PM
I think some of our fans are in never never land with him, he has yet to beat a man for as long as I can remember and has rarely affected games over the last 12 months bar the odd game here and there, he's at the age now where he should be progressing and showing positive signs in this league on a more consistent basis now, Find it hard to believe he will have a starting place when valera is fit.

Who has had a consistently positive affect on our games the last 12 months? We have been very poor as a team for last 9 months and others would argue longer. As for him showing positive signs in the league, in my opinion he has done that this season as he's been one of our most consistent players arguably playing out of position.

When all the new players are fit and available you are assuming we will stick to using a lone striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 10, 2014, 02:49:43 PM
I reckon he will be at a Championship club in a couple of seasons.

If you listen to most on here he will be in the Championship next season, with us.

Personally I see him as one of those young lads that has so much potential but he has to work very hard to fully realise it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 10, 2014, 03:08:58 PM
For me he has to play up to as part of a duo. Either Ideye or Anichebe has to partner him.

Start with him and Bobby, then sub whichevers getting less of a sniff for the battering ram.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on September 10, 2014, 03:17:03 PM
Not really. I said a few weeks ago if we made him available we'd get £20 million.

I'd be amazed. 12m top.  A lot of people have said Lukuku is overpriced at £28 million, yet he is only 3 months older than Saido and his record is so far ahead of Saido's they shouldn't be spoken about in the same conversation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 10, 2014, 03:28:25 PM
I'd be amazed. 12m top.  A lot of people have said Lukuku is overpriced at £28 million, yet he is only 3 months older than Saido and his record is so far ahead of Saido's they shouldn't be spoken about in the same conversation.

One word. "English".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 10, 2014, 04:43:36 PM
I find it hard to believe that a lot of our fans would rather get behind plodders or average players yet continually write off or pick faults on the likes of Berahino. OK so he is raw and has a lot to learn but the kid has great potential. Considering he'd never kicked a ball at this level before the start of last season he's done amazingly well and outshone many other higher profile players we've had. Without the important goals he scored last season we'd have gone down. All of this when played out of position on many occasions. If Brown doesn't do the business then he's our only hope goals wise.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 10, 2014, 04:48:15 PM
One word. "English".

And to us, he's home-grown in club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 10, 2014, 05:19:16 PM
The bloke has potential. It is up to him whether or not he fulfills it. Competition for a Premier league starting position should be massive and he will have to continue to earn it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba606 on September 10, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
youtube video of saido berahino https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtLA3lV7f_c
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on September 10, 2014, 10:32:26 PM
We're doing to saido what we did to odemwingie, sticking a really good threat on the wing. Honestly think if he played up front with ideye/anichebe he'd score 15+ He has got everything. A 1 in 4 record for us from the wing, we'd kill for varela/blanco/brunt to get that!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 10, 2014, 11:12:41 PM
We're doing to saido what we did to odemwingie, sticking a really good threat on the wing. Honestly think if he played up front with ideye/anichebe he'd score 15+ He has got everything. A 1 in 4 record for us from the wing, we'd kill for varela/blanco/brunt to get that!

He's not as good as Odemwingie, who could play up front on his own, but I do agree it is a waste playing the lad wide.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 11, 2014, 12:49:49 AM
He's not as good as Odemwingie, who could play up front on his own, but I do agree it is a waste playing the lad wide.

Let's hope we have real wingers in our squad now and can play and nurture Saido where he belongs. This thinking that we need players that 'can cover a lot of positions' is rubbish in my humble. We always end up with so many emergency solutions and compromises we look a mess on the pitch as a result. Proper players for proper positions please.

Saido is a different player type to PO. I see Saido as more of a SKP type to pop up and finish off a move rather than go past two or three players to take a shot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andio on September 11, 2014, 06:43:40 PM
He's wasted on the wings.

He can't play a lone role as he doesn't have much of a presence.

I honestly believe that if we played him off somebody he would get goals.

The problem is can our team set up to play with 2 up front......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 12, 2014, 11:47:25 AM
We're doing to saido what we did to odemwingie, sticking a really good threat on the wing. Honestly think if he played up front with ideye/anichebe he'd score 15+ He has got everything. A 1 in 4 record for us from the wing, we'd kill for varela/blanco/brunt to get that!
Fully agree with that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 12, 2014, 02:01:34 PM
Hodgson could be at the Everton game to look over him & Dawson

 http://www.sportinastorm.com/Premier-League/West-Bromwich-Albion/Berahino-and-Dawson-set-for-England-audition/X1Y84Z1803273?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 12, 2014, 02:05:23 PM
Hodgson could be at the Everton game to look over him & Dawson

 http://www.sportinastorm.com/Premier-League/West-Bromwich-Albion/Berahino-and-Dawson-set-for-England-audition/X1Y84Z1803273?

Might not see either, will they play???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 13, 2014, 06:17:40 PM
A bright spark in a dreary performance. Could have had a goal had Ideye managed to roll a five yard pass to him. Deserves to start against Spurs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on September 13, 2014, 06:30:48 PM
If he's any sense he'll put in a transfer request for January, I can't think of a worse team a young striker can play for. Absolutely no service at all, maybe if he has a growth spurt to 18ft he'll get on the end of some of our crosses, but until then,,,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 13, 2014, 06:31:15 PM
The only one to emerge with any credit from that farce

i didnt say poo

The word you're looking for falls victim to our swear filter.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 21, 2014, 04:28:33 PM
Very good performance today.

Think he is looking more and more polished every game. I believe he will be a massive player for us over the next few years.

As a young english striker that we produced, we need to hold him in very high esteem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 21, 2014, 04:42:35 PM
Very good performance today.

Think he is looking more and more polished every game. I believe he will be a massive player for us over the next few years.

As a young english striker that we produced, we need to hold him in very high esteem.

Toatlly agree HampshireBaggie, he gave their centre halves problems throughout.
Good strength, movement and drive.
Very mature performance today.
Keep it up young 'un.
 8).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 21, 2014, 04:52:58 PM
Good to see Irvine has faith in him. Could be a very big season for the lad, he really needs to kick on from a decent break out season and it looks like he's doing it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on September 22, 2014, 12:07:01 AM
It will be a very interesting challenge trying to keep him in the future. I can see him being very much the type the Rogers will come for if he continues his progression.
When the biggest clubs (and bigger $$) come, it can be very hard to say no to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 22, 2014, 12:10:12 AM
It will be a very interesting challenge trying to keep him in the future. I can see him being very much the type the Rogers will come for if he continues his progression.
When the biggest clubs (and bigger $$) come, it can be very hard to say no to.

He's on a long term contract, so it'll take huge money (plus the English bonus), but he doesn't (as yet) score enough to justify a huge fee. So unless he starts turning into a 15-20 goal a season guy, I think we'll keep him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 28, 2014, 08:44:42 AM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/berahino-im-in-the-best-shape-of-my-life-1968221.aspx

This is great to hear.  Also shows what knuckling down and working hard can bring to your game.

We all moaned about AI's appointment but it looks as though training is having a positive effect on players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 28, 2014, 05:24:30 PM
Carry on like this between now and January and he will be off for £20million to one of the big boys.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 28, 2014, 05:56:37 PM
Carry on like this between now and January and he will be off for £20million to one of the big boys.
p

Yes - slow down Saido!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on September 28, 2014, 07:21:38 PM
Carry on like this between now and January and he will be off for £20million to one of the big boys.

30 million if wellbeck goes for 16.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2014, 07:33:34 PM
If it wasn't for the fact England under 21's have their play off's in a couple of weeks, he'd almost certainly be in the next England squad. Hopefully he keeps up this form as he'll certainly be in the squad come November if he keeps this up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 28, 2014, 07:39:12 PM
If we provide him with chances then he will score goals in this division - his second goal today was a terrific finish. I didn't catch his first but it seemed like he had the predatory strikers instincts of being in the right place at the right time. I thought the Berahino on the pitch last season seemed like a player who had been rewarded with his new contract and then proceeded to strut along with the billy big time attitude. I don't know whether it is the coaching staff or the slap that Morrison gave him but he has been a different player over the summer this year. He looks in good shape, he's working very hard whether playing upfront on his own or occupying the wing and he seems happy and enjoying his football.

As it currently stands, he deserves to be the lone striker, Anichebe and our all time record signing are going to have to fight bloody hard in training and take the chance when it comes along because at the minute the shirt is Saido's.

Furthermore, we keep hearing about the good work of the academy and I guess we can now put Saido Berahino down as a big success.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 28, 2014, 10:27:48 PM
Getting a mention in the telegraph. Also the leading English goalscorer this season:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11127094/West-Broms-Saido-Berahino-makes-his-case-for-an-England-call-up-with-double-against-Burnley.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on September 28, 2014, 11:01:50 PM
Got a pic with him aswell:p told him he should be on the phone to hodgson
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on September 28, 2014, 11:21:12 PM
This lad has been emense! If he played for arsenal or any other big team everyone would be going mad lad like they did about januzai (who I think is extremely overrated)he needs to play for the countries first team next to sturridge with sterling! We'd murder the opposition, let's start getting him the recognition he badly deserves! Let's start a chant! "Saido for England! Duh duh duh duh duh" and over again!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 28, 2014, 11:27:57 PM
This lad has been emense! If he played for arsenal or any other big team everyone would be going mad lad like they did about januzai (who I think is extremely overrated)he needs to play for the countries first team next to sturridge with sterling! We'd murder the opposition, let's start getting him the recognition he badly deserves! Let's start a chant! "Saido for England! Duh duh duh duh duh" and over again!

Singing that never worked for Houlty, who was at the time easily in the top four English keepers.

Hodgson knows all about Berahino so will call him up when he sees fit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 28, 2014, 11:30:18 PM
tbh, i would rather he stays away from all the Johnny big times and stays hungry as long as possible
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on September 28, 2014, 11:30:46 PM
Giving him the support will boost his confidence though I got a pic with him today and told him he needs to playing for England and he said "yA think so"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 29, 2014, 08:20:02 AM
Its time he got a full England call up
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 29, 2014, 08:45:07 AM
Giving him the support will boost his confidence though I got a pic with him today and told him he needs to playing for England and he said "yA think so"

Doesn't surprise me hes someone that wouldn't be much fun to have in your company im sure, However must good strikers are arrogant and if he keeps doing the business on the pitch for us i don't really care tbh, Hes movement is first class and hes hold up play is getting better by the game also looks fitter and that's made him a few notches sharper.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on September 29, 2014, 09:19:23 AM
The more I watch him playing upfront the more he reminds me or an early Jermaine Defoe.

Not the tallest, but gets in behind the defence and his runs are quite clever.

His 2nd goal yesterday was brilliant, started his run then curved it to avoid being offside followed by a first time finish.

Keep playing the lad up front and he will score goals.

Dont know if anyone saw the stat on MOTD2 last night, but think it was something like 14 goals in 22 starts (44 appearances) and 9 goals in 11 games for Under 21s or something? If that was a top 6 english striker we would be raving about him!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 29, 2014, 01:41:20 PM
For Dawsons goal there keeper was too busy trying to push Saido away from himself than intercepting  the ball & again for Saido 1st,before the corner was taken he was pushing Saido then went to the ball leaving him in free space for a simply headi-in " Saido stepped back a yard helped create that to"

This work was paramount in the opening goals as we didn't look like scoring from open play up to that point.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 29, 2014, 09:59:16 PM
Its time he got a full England call up

I'm not quite so sure. I don't think he's that good yet. He could be the next Defoe, but if we rush him, he could go back to thinking he's a superstar again and loose all the progress he's made.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RuncornBaggie on September 29, 2014, 10:13:26 PM
I'm not quite so sure. I don't think he's that good yet. He could be the next Defoe, but if we rush him, he could go back to thinking he's a superstar again and loose all the progress he's made.

As much as he has had a good start to the season, I don't yet think that he deserves an England call up.  A little premature for me.  Give him until the end of this season (Until Christmas at least) and ten see how he is. 

Look how his performances dipped when he got the new deal.  I feel that they may dip again if he got that call.  I hope that he gets the call eventually........but not just yet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on September 29, 2014, 10:55:42 PM
When we signed all the defenders in the transfer window, I thought we would really struggle without any new proven goalscorers coming in. Although we got Ideye in, who hasn't really shown anything yet, and we know Anichebe has a very low goals to games ratio, Berahino can get us enough goals to keep us up. Let's hope he is more consistent than last season, when he drifted out of games. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 02, 2014, 11:34:01 AM
Not made it then :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 02, 2014, 11:42:41 AM
Not made it then :(

Good.
As soon as he plays for England, scores a couple, we won't be able to hang onto him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 02, 2014, 11:43:10 AM
Better to be in the U21's and play than sat on the bench for the senior squad plus the U21 game is a more important game
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on October 02, 2014, 11:46:32 AM
Better to be in the U21's and play than sat on the bench for the senior squad plus the U21 game is a more important game

Exactly that. Much better getting game time for development
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mini gaardsoe on October 02, 2014, 11:58:21 AM
It's a strong Under 21 squad with Chambers and Shaw also included, exactly how it should be. Make sure we qualify for the tournament and then every Under 21 player should be available for it in the Summer.

Berahino needed a lot more in the Under 21 game than against San Marino where he would only come off the bench for 10 minutes or so.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on October 02, 2014, 12:05:05 PM
He should be in under 21's like he is as he's not ready for the senior side yet I don't think. He will also develop more like others have said and it's a crucial game.

 Gareth Southgate really rates Berahino and I knew he wouldn't be called up for a game against San Marino who I could get a hat trick against!  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: freddy73 on October 02, 2014, 01:03:24 PM
Berahino's going to learn a lot more in the Croatia games, than even 90 mins in a 4-5-6-7 poss 8-0 shots in exercise v San Marino.
In fact every eligible U21 player should be in the U21 squad, Stirling et al.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on October 02, 2014, 01:05:23 PM
As Roy has only picked 3 strikers i suspect Saido may be promoted to the senior squad if any of them get injured this weekend or during the first of the internationals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on October 02, 2014, 03:44:52 PM
I can see Arsenal coming in for him quite soon, he's their kind of player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on October 02, 2014, 04:26:42 PM
As Roy has only picked 3 strikers i suspect Saido may be promoted to the senior squad if any of them get injured this weekend or during the first of the internationals.
I wouldn't bank on it after Hodgson's ridiculous statement today regarding why he chose Lambert over Saido! Ramblings of a mad man, could not possibly have been pre thought out, it makes no sense.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ronnie_allen on October 02, 2014, 04:54:57 PM
I can see Arsenal coming in for him quite soon, he's their kind of player.
He probably get his England cap on signing for Arsenal then before playing a game for them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Astle1968 on October 02, 2014, 05:14:46 PM
Berahino's going to learn a lot more in the Croatia games, than even 90 mins in a 4-5-6-7 poss 8-0 shots in exercise v San Marino.
In fact every eligible U21 player should be in the U21 squad, Stirling et al.

True, but he would also learn a lot more training with the full squad for a week than he would playing a U21 game.

If he turns out to be the player we hope he can we are going to lose him at some point anyway, and even if it is against teams like San Marino if he had a record of 3 goals in 5 games for the senior England side his value would be north of £20m.

Apart from anything it would just be nice to see an Albion player score and play for England.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 02, 2014, 06:54:53 PM
Don’t understand the clamour from our own fans to get him into the England squad, sure it’s nice to see one of our players being recognised but Berahino is still only 21, let him develop and build some consistency in his game without the pressures of being an England international.   We all know his ego can become a touch out of whack and we also know that his performances fizzled out badly last season, with these factors in mind let him go about his business quietly without throwing him into the pressure cooker that is the national squad solely on the back of some early season form.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on October 02, 2014, 07:23:49 PM
Don’t understand the clamour from our own fans to get him into the England squad, sure it’s nice to see one of our players being recognised but Berahino is still only 21, let him develop and build some consistency in his game without the pressures of being an England international.   We all know his ego can become a touch out of whack and we also know that his performances fizzled out badly last season, with these factors in mind let him go about his business quietly without throwing him into the pressure cooker that is the national squad solely on the back of some early season form.

Not withstanding Hodgson's gibberish I tend to agree with this.

Along with the clamour for Daws to be picked it is premature to talk about Saido being an England player. He had a good start last year and became very average. He's had a good start this year but does need to maintain it.

As for Hodgson, wouldn't it have been better for him to just say "the lad's good, but not ready yet", or even "the U21s need him more"?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on October 02, 2014, 07:42:24 PM
Not withstanding Hodgson's gibberish I tend to agree with this.

Along with the clamour for Daws to be picked it is premature to talk about Saido being an England player. He had a good start last year and became very average. He's had a good start this year but does need to maintain it.

As for Hidgson, wouldn't it have been better for him to just say "the lad's good, but not ready yet", or even "the U21s need him more"?
In a nutshell!
Saido should be allowed to develop and improve without the pressure of being a full international and Hodgson could have said as much, instead he trots out this inane drivel. I am both angry and bemused and I hope Saido and the boys are too, perfect prep for Saturday.
As someone said earlier, stick Hodgson' s nonsense on the dressing room wall.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on October 02, 2014, 07:44:19 PM
Where is this Hodgson quote? I haven't heard or read him say anything of the sort.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MHB WBA on October 02, 2014, 08:18:17 PM
Anyone going to the u21 game at the custard bowl
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: JDWest_Brom on October 03, 2014, 10:14:17 AM
If it wasn't at stupid o'clock I would have gone.

If it wasn't for the U-21 game being an important play off then I feel Berahino would have been in the England squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: freddy73 on October 03, 2014, 12:59:08 PM
"True, but he would also learn a lot more training with the full squad for a week than he would playing a U21 game.

If he turns out to be the player we hope he can we are going to lose him at some point anyway, and even if it is against teams like San Marino if he had a record of 3 goals in 5 games for the senior England side his value would be north of £20m.

Apart from anything it would just be nice to see an Albion player score and play for England"

I'm going to have to disagree with you Astle1968.
I cannot poss see how training with the full squad is going to be of more long term benefit to Berahino (not necessarily us & his transfer value I agree), than playing 2 high pressure U21 games. Now if the U21 games were also against poor opposition, then you may have a point.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on October 03, 2014, 01:30:44 PM
Can see a few teams stiffing around this young man come January especially if his banging In the goals. Peace should put out a statement that he's under contract to the Albion, Irvines comments were foolish at best keep the kid under the radar want to see the lad at the baggies for a while yet'
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 03, 2014, 02:45:43 PM
Can see a few teams stiffing around this young man come January especially if his banging In the goals. Peace should put out a statement that he's under contract to the Albion, Irvines comments were foolish at best keep the kid under the radar want to see the lad at the baggies for a while yet'

The problem with Media Comments is that they are often published out of context.

The interviewer no doubt asked him something like "so, Saido is doing well and "bigger" teams are reportedly keeping track, will you stand in his way if a chance for a big move comes along?" ..... Now AI should have skipped the question, but he's been Naive in answering it with an honest answer, basically if a top 6 team comes in then it's because Saido is getting 15+ goals for us this season and as so, he'd cost alot, but in theory, of course everyone is for sale at the right price..... That then get's reposrted as "Albion striker made avaiable".

The media guys manipulate and distort almost everything. AI has been Naive, but i wouldn't be too worried about this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yardley on October 03, 2014, 04:38:05 PM
Out of interest how much do you think Berahino is Worth? He reminds me very much of a young Defoe who at the same age in 2004 went to spurs for around 10 million (7 million plus Zamora) Defoe had scored more prem goal but had played many more games, but Berahino's u21 record wipes the floor with Defoe's. I would say if he continues to have a good season and gets between 10-15 goals he must be worth 20 million at least. If Longs worth 12 million and he is only going to get you 6-8 goals a season then Berahino must definitely be over that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 03, 2014, 04:49:32 PM
Out of interest how much do you think Berahino is Worth? He reminds me very much of a young Defoe who at the same age in 2004 went to spurs for around 10 million (7 million plus Zamora) Defoe had scored more prem goal but had played many more games, but Berahino's u21 record wipes the floor with Defoe's. I would say if he continues to have a good season and gets between 10-15 goals he must be worth 20 million at least. If Longs worth 12 million and he is only going to get you 6-8 goals a season then Berahino must definitely be over that.

At the moment it's difficult to say.... But let's say by the end of the season he has stats somewhere around the region of played 40 games, scored 18 goals (he already has 5 from 6 starts and 2 sub appearances afterall.... if his current ratio continued we'd be looking at 25 goals)

Allowing for 18 goals in all comps and maybe an England callup once the U21 playoff is resoved... Then you need to look at Long going for £12 and the Championship players going for £10-12mill.... But then Wellbeck was only £16mill, as was Mario....

I'd say Saido could be worth £16-18mill, if he were on the market. But he won't be, Albion have no need to sell and it would take an over the top bid to land him. With that in mind, we're looking at more like £20-22mill maybe? Lukaku went for £26mill and he's arguably better at this moment in time.

Either way, when you add the sales of Chris Wood, the still unsettled Izzy Brown afair and George Thorne, the Accademy is already paying for it's self, despite the very unfair rules currently in place for youth team development.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on October 03, 2014, 04:52:35 PM
Out of interest how much do you think Berahino is Worth? He reminds me very much of a young Defoe who at the same age in 2004 went to spurs for around 10 million (7 million plus Zamora) Defoe had scored more prem goal but had played many more games, but Berahino's u21 record wipes the floor with Defoe's. I would say if he continues to have a good season and gets between 10-15 goals he must be worth 20 million at least. If Longs worth 12 million and he is only going to get you 6-8 goals a season then Berahino must definitely be over that.

How much is 2004 £10 million in today's football money....?

If Shane Long goes for £12 stupid million Saido, being far younger, English and much more prolific, should easily go for several times Long money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 03, 2014, 05:24:41 PM
To believe whatever Alan Irvine says in the media will have any influence on whether Saido remains an Albion player is in my opinion naive in the extreme.
We are West Brom, if an offer comes in we will consider it and sell on our terms.
Even the worst scout for the worst team will know he is currently the top scoring English player in the Premier League and MOTD II were discussing the merits of an England call up. I would even be willing to bet Alan Shearer has heard of him  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on October 03, 2014, 05:31:14 PM

Either way, when you add the sales of Chris Wood, the still unsettled Izzy Brown afair and George Thorne, the Accademy is already paying for it's self, despite the very unfair rules currently in place for youth team development.

Bet Izzy wished he was getting first team chances with us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 03, 2014, 05:51:52 PM
Bet Izzy wished he was getting first team chances with us.

Izzy's family and agent took the quick cash. Izzy was/is apparently a Chelsea fan, so in some ways I don't blame him, but no doubt it's at least damaged his career, if not killed it.

Can't believe we've not settled it yet, but I don't beleive we have. I've certainly not read/heard anything about it?

It's a great lesson for Saido and others in our current youth teams. Moving to a "big" club is rearely the right thing to do for a youngster.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 03, 2014, 06:26:10 PM
Bet Izzy wished he was getting first team chances with us.
He's probably spending most of his time pointing out that he's a chelski player to wanna be WAGS.  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on October 04, 2014, 05:27:48 PM
Another excellent performance and his penalty was great too. When he stepped up for it I was never in doubt that he wouldn't score, his technique for penalties is very good. The way he held up the ball at times was impressive too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 04, 2014, 05:54:44 PM
Another excellent performance and his penalty was great too. When he stepped up for it I was never in doubt that he wouldn't score, his technique for penalties is very good. The way he held up the ball at times was impressive too.

Totally agree, he really has developed over the past six months. Whoever said whatever to him did a great job.

Bobby is going to have a very tough time getting that strikers role, but that's great news for WBA.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on October 04, 2014, 07:25:09 PM
How good is this guy?! Absolutely brilliant player. Honestly can't see any difference ability wise of him and lukaku who we had at the same age. Had goals to his game last year, now his all round game is superb.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbasoprano on October 04, 2014, 07:59:57 PM
Ability wise you're not far wrong but Lukaku frightened defences with just his sheer size.

Saido is doing a good job up front for us at the moment, long may it continue  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 04, 2014, 08:06:11 PM
Really impressive today. Has come back from criticism last year and worked hard to get where he is at now

Love him and hope this good form continues
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on October 04, 2014, 08:07:56 PM
Another excellent performance and his penalty was great too. When he stepped up for it I was never in doubt that he wouldn't score, his technique for penalties is very good. The way he held up the ball at times was impressive too.

We saw today who is the better bet for England !!!!  A pity Roy's head has been turned by the FA establishment mentality.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 04, 2014, 08:38:34 PM
We saw today who is the better bet for England !!!!  A pity Roy's head has been turned by the FA establishment mentality.

Saido's games in the double header against Croatia will be a far harder couple of games, plus Southgate has said time and again he wanted all those capable to be playing to put England through.

If Saido gets 18 or more and isn't in the England team, then you'll have a point, but right now it's a persecution complex.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 04, 2014, 10:04:12 PM
How good is this guy?! Absolutely brilliant player. Honestly can't see any difference ability wise of him and lukaku who we had at the same age. Had goals to his game last year, now his all round game is superb.
Yep very good striker.More of a Kevin Phillips type than Lukaku.
Same result bangs them in! :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on October 05, 2014, 01:33:47 AM
our best player today didn't stop running,needed more support from midfield
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on October 05, 2014, 07:14:24 AM
Took Roys words and shoved them back in his face. He looked miles sharper than Lambert who looked what he is , a fourth choice striker who has had little or no game time. Gravitas my a%%e more like any more statements like that and Roy should consider dignitas!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on October 05, 2014, 08:50:34 AM
Hes playing in the u21 because they need to qualify for the next stage so they need the best players that we have who are eligible to play,  His time will come thats for sure.
Plus he WILL get more time on the pitch against a better classed team.
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on October 05, 2014, 08:58:07 AM
Hes playing in the u21 because they need to qualify for the next stage so they need the best players that we have who are eligible to play,  His time will come thats for sure.
Plus he WILL get more time on the pitch against a better classed team.
 
Another point on that , hasn't he played in all the qualifiers ? ....why would take him out the biggest games of all that the Under 21's have worked towards?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 05, 2014, 11:34:06 AM
Took Roys words and shoved them back in his face. He looked miles sharper than Lambert who looked what he is , a fourth choice striker who has had little or no game time. Gravitas my a%%e more like any more statements like that and Roy should consider dignitas!!!

I thought we'd clarified these weren't genuine quotes?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 05, 2014, 03:52:55 PM
I thought we'd clarified these weren't genuine quotes?

We did, some sad act made them up and actually went to the bother of mimicking Roy's way of speaking. Impressive, in a sad way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on October 05, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
Another point on that , hasn't he played in all the qualifiers ? ....why would take him out the biggest games of all that the Under 21's have worked towards?

He is also very close to breaking the top scorer record for the England's u21 of all times
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on October 10, 2014, 03:53:04 PM
Found this video of Saido (amongst others) training for the England U21.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-B-6BqEBvg&feature=youtu.be

Saido is at 0:35, 1:02, 1:27, 1:57 and 2:38
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on October 10, 2014, 03:55:04 PM
England u21 stream for todays game

http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=284308&part=sports

mods feel free to move has i wasn't sure were to post this
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on October 10, 2014, 04:00:32 PM
Good luck for today Saido, I reckon you will get at least a brace, you are class when you want to be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 10, 2014, 05:37:24 PM
Good luck for today Saido, I reckon you will get at least a brace, you are class when you want to be.

Not sure which of these will work. But here are some streams for them, depending on where in the world you are. I'm about to watch.

http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=284308&part=sports
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on October 10, 2014, 06:21:29 PM
Croatia much the better team so far
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 10, 2014, 06:59:27 PM
Saido with the assist for the equaliser.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on October 10, 2014, 07:27:27 PM
Just won and scored a penalty
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 10, 2014, 07:28:22 PM
Now he's won and converted a Penalty, all of this while he's been a left wing forward, rather than striker, Kane of Spurs can the lead.

Saido is good and he's getting better. Get that new contract signed JP!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on October 10, 2014, 07:30:03 PM
Now he's won and converted a Penalty, all of this while he's been a left wing forward, rather than striker, Kane of Spurs can the lead.

Saido is good and he's getting better. Get that new contract signed JP!

He's set up the equalised, won a penalty and scored it. Otherwise he's not actually been involved that much.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 10, 2014, 07:35:50 PM
He's set up the equalised, won a penalty and scored it. Otherwise he's not actually been involved that much.

I'd take that each week  8) ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on October 10, 2014, 07:43:26 PM
We knew he had the talent. Now he's showing that he's got his head screwed on as well. This lad is going to go far if he keeps working hard. It won't be long until the big boys come calling. Just hope we get a fair price.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on October 10, 2014, 07:56:52 PM
He has shown that he should have the leading role on the front line of the U21,he will play even better if he play the central role.
I saw that Roy has attended the game,I think Saido will be called up by Roy very soon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 10, 2014, 08:09:37 PM
He's set up the equalised, won a penalty and scored it. Otherwise he's not actually been involved that much.
He made a few clever runs, but the through ball lacked accuracy. Gotta say though, he looked a class act. Sod the big boys, we should be trying to hang on to this lad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MICKYMEL on October 10, 2014, 08:20:30 PM
Expect big interest in summer if this form carrys on, especially if he gets full England call up
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on October 10, 2014, 08:25:48 PM
A diamond a pure diamond, lost his way for a little while, but now oozing and showing pure class.

Best English striker for more than a generation
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: simonbaggie on October 10, 2014, 08:45:19 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/football/video-1126325/Saido-Berahino-scores-outrageous-volley-brilliant-chip-training.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on October 10, 2014, 08:53:24 PM
5 year contract being discussed
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: socalbaggie on October 10, 2014, 10:09:28 PM
We knew he had the talent. Now he's showing that he's got his head screwed on as well. This lad is going to go far if he keeps working hard. It won't be long until the big boys come calling. Just hope we get a fair price.
I think we can be confident that when or if that day comes JP will get more than a fair price for him!! Add in the fact JP rightly so is irritated to say the least on the lack of return the club has seen from our most promising youngsters in recent years as the bigger clubs can snatch them up for next to nothing so you can bet JP will have that on his mind and will be looking to make up for it on the sale of Saido!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on October 10, 2014, 10:14:16 PM
Get him signed up , and then make them pay. Through the nose . If Shane long is worth 12m the sky is the limit .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on October 10, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
It would be £25 million plus for us to even think about it. As said, 5 year contract is being discussed, hopefully go through quickly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 10, 2014, 11:22:38 PM
It would be £25 million plus for us to even think about it. As said, 5 year contract is being discussed, hopefully go through quickly.

Glad to hear it, he's only signed till 2017, with no option in our favour. So if he carries on like this this season, we would in all honesty have to think about selling him, as otherwise his value drops with each passing window, to an eventual £0.

In all reality, a new contract may end up involving a release clause, but as long as that clause is £25m+ i won't mind, as that's what he's worth adn I wouldn't begrudge him a move to a chmps league club once he's got us 30+ prem goals.

Hopefully this acts as a sign to our current youth kids (Leko is it?) to stay and end up like Saido, not Izzy Brown.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on October 10, 2014, 11:26:52 PM
Shows what football has become if Berahino is worth £25mil.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Avonbaggie on October 10, 2014, 11:30:54 PM
Shows what football has become if Berahino is worth £25mil.

It's true. I'm currently available for £20,000 if anyone is interested. Once scored 2 goals in an U11's match.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 11, 2014, 12:08:20 AM
This lad is going about things the right way and is reaping the rewards

Brilliant stuff fair play Saido keep 'em coming
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on October 11, 2014, 12:24:44 AM
I think Saido is a great prospect and it's ace to have a player from the youth team come through and make a name for himself... But let's be honest with some of our 'fans' if he doesn't score a hat trick v Utd it will be 'gerrim off Irvine put Brown on' ...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on October 11, 2014, 05:36:43 AM
According to the BBC website Spuds want Saido. £15m is the fee that the Sun are guessing at.

Last season I wondered if he was as good as he seemed to think he was. This season he has come on leaps and bounds and £15m just wouldn't be enough based performances and goals so far.

Sooner or later though he is almost certain to move on, but I imagine that when he does it will be to a big club, rather than someone like Tottenham.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 11, 2014, 06:32:58 AM
According to the BBC website Spuds want Saido. £15m is the fee that the Sun are guessing at.

Last season I wondered if he was as good as he seemed to think he was. This season he has come on leaps and bounds and £15m just wouldn't be enough based performances and goals so far.

Sooner or later though he is almost certain to move on, but I imagine that when he does it will be to a big club, rather than someone like Tottenham.

I guessed they would be first out of the blocks.
I would imagine that they would be keen to play Berahino and Kane in the same team.
Wonder if Kanes been having a word in his shell like, either way we need to hang on to him for the rest of this season and hope Brown gets his act together ready for next season.
Reast assured if the right offer comes in we will have no option but to sell
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on October 11, 2014, 08:38:42 AM
£15m is just laughable for a young English goalscorer in the current climate so no a chance of that and I doubt Spuds would be big enough and rich enough to afford him if he keeps up his form.

Let's just enjoy him whilst he with us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on October 11, 2014, 09:19:15 AM
It's all good saying £15million-£30million but think about it, we'll just get free's and spend max £2-3mill on a washed up player, and peace will keep the rest, but can you think of anyone worth say £20million who would come to a non champions league team?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on October 11, 2014, 09:36:07 AM
Spuds will have to double bid for this kid just to get jps attention, and then it will be one of the top four who in the
end gets him for north of 30 million but not yet not yet
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on October 11, 2014, 10:35:19 AM
I'd say actual football ability and potential - 7-9m

The fact he is English and the fact other English players have gone for ridiculous money we should definitely be looking £20m+

Hopefully though we just keep him but I can't see happening
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on October 11, 2014, 10:46:05 AM
I'd say actual football ability and potential - 7-9m

The fact he is English and the fact other English players have gone for ridiculous money we should definitely be looking £20m+

Hopefully though we just keep him but I can't see happening

Even if he wasn't English his football ability and potential is a lot more than 7-9 million  ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 11, 2014, 11:04:56 AM
It's all good saying £15million-£30million but think about it, we'll just get free's and spend max £2-3mill on a washed up player, and peace will keep the rest.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

We operate at more than 70% wages to turn over. The signing on fees on Lescott and the other new lads, plus the fees for Bobby and co (which alone are worth in excess of £16mill net) mean we've easily spent £20mill on signing people, but yeah, JP will keep it all.... Doesn't it get boring repeating the same obviously not true stuff constantly?

In regards to Saido, If he signing a new contract, great, if not, then we may have to sell this summer, but certainly not this January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 11, 2014, 11:08:24 AM
Zzzzzzzzzzzz

We operate at more than 70% wages to turn over. The signing on fees on Lescott and the other new lads, plus the fees for Bobby and co (which alone are worth in excess of £16mill net) mean we've easily spent £20mill on signing people, but yeah, JP will keep it all.... Doesn't it get boring repeating the same obviously not true stuff constantly?

In regards to Saido, If he signing a new contract, great, if not, then we may have to sell this summer, but certainly not this January.

I thought the same...

Its getting boring now with people farting out these ridiculous posts on JP
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 11, 2014, 11:25:03 AM
At the end of the season we will have two years to run on his current deal so there is no good reason to sell in January unless there is a huge offer (£15m is not huge in this context) if he does not commit to an extended contract the clock is ticking from next summer and I would be very surprised if he is not sold. In the meantime here is youtube clip of his best bits to date
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJp7d5xIPHk
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on October 11, 2014, 11:32:53 AM
A lot of contracts these days have a buyout clause. When Saido's improved deal was sorted last year, it wouldn't be too surprising if he had a buyout figure of around £15m included in that.
I guess if a club met that, it would then depend on how the clause is viewed legally and whether or not Saido wanted to go to the club making the offer, as to whether we could keep him in that circumstance.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 11, 2014, 12:25:19 PM
A lot of contracts these days have a buyout clause. When Saido's improved deal was sorted last year, it wouldn't be too surprising if he had a buyout figure of around £15m included in that.
I guess if a club met that, it would then depend on how the clause is viewed legally and whether or not Saido wanted to go to the club making the offer, as to whether we could keep him in that circumstance.

Given his situation and how things were going at that point, i doubt he'd have a clause currently, partly due to his not setting the world alight at that point, so why would anyone envisage a huge bid? Partly also because i think Albion are very reluctant to have such clauses. Apart from Jonas being able to move to London is a european club came in, i don't know of any others we've got in players contract.

Having said that, as a negotiation point I'd expect us to agree to one in a new long term contract with Saido, otherwise i don't expect he'd sign.

All of this is idle speculation of course.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: CL3MO on October 11, 2014, 12:49:27 PM
I can't believe some of the exaggerated quotes being branded about on here. 25 million!? He's had a good start to the season, but it's only 5 goals (two of them penalties!)

I'm hoping we aren't going into a new contract already, as we made this mistake last season. His from drastically tailed off after those contract negotiations.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on October 11, 2014, 01:11:19 PM
I can't believe some of the exaggerated quotes being branded about on here. 25 million!? He's had a good start to the season, but it's only 5 goals (two of them penalties!)

I'm hoping we aren't going into a new contract already, as we made this mistake last season. His from drastically tailed off after those contract negotiations.

Calum Chambers moved to Arsenal for 16m based on 20 games. Strikers always cost a lot more than defenders and Berahino's one of the best young striker in the country. Even Zaha cost 16m and he was far from the best player in the championship that season and was always extremely patchy in form. Maybe not 25m, but if he can hit 15 goals this season it'll certainly be around there. Consider people like Troy Deeney had bids of 12m in the summer. Not too mention Shane Long, whom Berahino has already almost matched his best goalscoring season in this league.

Besides which, it'll be his all round game that'll be impressing as much as his goalscoring at the moment. His touch is excellent, he's developed into a really good player with his back to goal and keeps the ball well, and crucially for a striker his off the ball movement is superb.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: phat_vapor on October 11, 2014, 01:53:23 PM
i think jp will stick a 25-35m price tag on him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on October 11, 2014, 02:16:38 PM
If he keeps on banging in the goals then 30 million plus for s young English striker with transfer potential is peanuts in the crazy world of professional football add to that England caps then jp must be rubbing his hands with glee
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on October 11, 2014, 04:10:06 PM
Look at it this way, saw we get £25mill, who would we buy with it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 11, 2014, 05:11:26 PM
Calum Chambers moved to Arsenal for 16m based on 20 games. Strikers always cost a lot more than defenders and Berahino's one of the best young striker in the country. Even Zaha cost 16m and he was far from the best player in the championship that season and was always extremely patchy in form. Maybe not 25m, but if he can hit 15 goals this season it'll certainly be around there. Consider people like Troy Deeney had bids of 12m in the summer. Not too mention Shane Long, whom Berahino has already almost matched his best goalscoring season in this league.

Besides which, it'll be his all round game that'll be impressing as much as his goalscoring at the moment. His touch is excellent, he's developed into a really good player with his back to goal and keeps the ball well, and crucially for a striker his off the ball movement is superb.

Absolutely...for a striker movement will determine for me how good you can be, add that with some pace and good finishing ability and it makes for an exciting future of watching this lad.

I really believe he could go to the very top
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on October 11, 2014, 05:52:49 PM
Calm down, calm down, the kid has had a good start to the season, BUT £25m !!!!
What price would Raheem Sterling generate then?

I seriously think some people are losing perspective here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 11, 2014, 06:26:51 PM
Calm down, calm down, the kid has had a good start to the season, BUT £25m !!!!
What price would Raheem Sterling generate then?

I seriously think some people are losing perspective here.
£48 Million.... apparently.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 11, 2014, 07:32:45 PM
£25m easily. Its not what he is worth, its what these big clubs would be stupid enough to pay. JP will take them to the cleaners.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on October 11, 2014, 08:35:02 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-bromwich-albion-baggies-prepare-7920943
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on October 12, 2014, 11:25:02 AM
If we sold him I'd like to see demba ba
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 12, 2014, 11:36:43 AM
If we sold him I would not like to see us replace him with a 30 year old that would do us no good a a club

I have no problem with Demba Ba but not as a replacement for Berahino.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on October 12, 2014, 12:54:17 PM
Hearing a 4+1 year deal is on the cards, also worth 40k plus. Likely to sign within next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 12, 2014, 12:58:40 PM
Hearing a 4+1 year deal is on the cards, also worth 40k plus. Likely to sign within next couple of weeks.

That's a good contract for both sides, if he keeps scoring there's no chance of him seeing it out. It's all about increasing the eventual fee. God help us if/when we sell as the Internet moaners will complain no matter what happens.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: CL3MO on October 12, 2014, 02:48:08 PM
Calum Chambers moved to Arsenal for 16m based on 20 games. Strikers always cost a lot more than defenders and Berahino's one of the best young striker in the country. Even Zaha cost 16m and he was far from the best player in the championship that season and was always extremely patchy in form. Maybe not 25m, but if he can hit 15 goals this season it'll certainly be around there. Consider people like Troy Deeney had bids of 12m in the summer. Not too mention Shane Long, whom Berahino has already almost matched his best goalscoring season in this league.

Besides which, it'll be his all round game that'll be impressing as much as his goalscoring at the moment. His touch is excellent, he's developed into a really good player with his back to goal and keeps the ball well, and crucially for a striker his off the ball movement is superb.

I think at the end of last season, if he was sold for anything in between 4-5 mill, a lot of albion fans would have took that. Let's rewind two/three weeks ago, after that Everton defeat, and we were all looking at where our goals were coming from. I just find everybody branding around these ridiculous fees about a bit silly after a couple of good goals and a few well placed penalties. I have been impressed with his hold up and link up play though. I guess we'll see what his value is come January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on October 12, 2014, 04:13:52 PM
I think at the end of last season, if he was sold for anything in between 4-5 mill, a lot of albion fans would have took that. Let's rewind two/three weeks ago, after that Everton defeat, and we were all looking at where our goals were coming from. I just find everybody branding around these ridiculous fees about a bit silly after a couple of good goals and a few well placed penalties. I have been impressed with his hold up and link up play though. I guess we'll see what his value is come January.
I'm with you on this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on October 12, 2014, 07:21:03 PM
On the basis of tonight's game against Estonia, I would have had Berahino as a shoe in, Wellbeck was utterly woeful, and how does Lambert get in?

I know Saido was quite rightly saved for the U21 game, but he would do a damn sight better than Wellbeck and Lambert, lallana and the ret of them anyday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GREGMT on October 12, 2014, 09:52:22 PM
He plays for an unfashionable team so doesn't get picked, simple as.  Even in the U21 game he was required to play as a winger as Harry Kane was the target man, a position Kane doesn't even play for Spurs.

As soon as Berahino signs for a "big club" he'll be selected for England just like what happened with Bryan Robson.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 12, 2014, 10:08:23 PM
Bryan Robson played for England before he left Albion,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on October 12, 2014, 10:46:58 PM
Bryan Robson played for England before he left Albion,
factually correct, however us owd uns can cite Statham, brown, astle as players who should have got England caps aplently but were overlooked for players from more fashionable clubs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 12, 2014, 10:48:11 PM
Bryan Robson played for England before he left Albion,

I idolised Bryan and find myself doing the same a bit with Saido....

If we draw all these parallels mate Saido will make a $#1T manager!!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on October 13, 2014, 09:05:21 AM
I think at the end of last season, if he was sold for anything in between 4-5 mill, a lot of albion fans would have took that. Let's rewind two/three weeks ago, after that Everton defeat, and we were all looking at where our goals were coming from. I just find everybody branding around these ridiculous fees about a bit silly after a couple of good goals and a few well placed penalties. I have been impressed with his hold up and link up play though. I guess we'll see what his value is come January.

You may well think it's silly but thats the current market for an English goalscorer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on October 13, 2014, 10:05:52 AM
Why  there all this talk of selling the kid, WHY do we "have to sell2 him, its not like we don't have a pot to pee in like we did when we sold Robson and Cunningham where we were only surviving by selling our top players. We re on a financial "even keel" now. Don't get me wrong if silly money is offered then we should look at it but he's only been in our first team five minutes, lets get some usage out of him before we offload him to the highest bidder, and by that I mean three or four years, not half a season FFS !!. A lot can change in those years, just ask Man United.

Really gets my goat all this talk of how much he's worth and this team or that team are looking at him and preparing bids, its all going to unsettle him and this type of rubbish is adding fuel to the fire. I personally hope JP has the cahoonas to tell anyone who comes what to do with themselves, at least for the next 4 years ( or 5 if he signs his new contract )  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on October 13, 2014, 10:27:55 AM
Why  there all this talk of selling the kid, WHY do we "have to sell2 him, its not like we don't have a pot to pee in like we did when we sold Robson and Cunningham where we were only surviving by selling our top players. We re on a financial "even keel" now. Don't get me wrong if silly money is offered then we should look at it but he's only been in our first team five minutes, lets get some usage out of him before we offload him to the highest bidder, and by that I mean three or four years, not half a season FFS !!. A lot can change in those years, just ask Man United.

Really gets my goat all this talk of how much he's worth and this team or that team are looking at him and preparing bids, its all going to unsettle him and this type of rubbish is adding fuel to the fire. I personally hope JP has the cahoonas to tell anyone who comes what to do with themselves, at least for the next 4 years ( or 5 if he signs his new contract )  >:( >:( >:(

I think the contract simply increases his fee. There's no chance unfortunately that he will see out the contract. I think he will stick it out this season and next season. I don't think it's a case of wanting to sell him, but if he has a few good seasons the value will just rocket.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 13, 2014, 01:07:32 PM
I think the contract simply increases his fee. There's no chance unfortunately that he will see out the contract. I think he will stick it out this season and next season. I don't think it's a case of wanting to sell him, but if he has a few good seasons the value will just rocket.

Agreed, in the projected future where by he scores 16 this season and 20 the next and we're still midtable, then I for one can't argue with the lad moving on, we get a huge fee to invest and he gets to play at a higher level.

The concept of keeping him forever and paying no regards to his wants is unrealistic.

I'm aware at this point some droll wag will have a go about JP investing a windfall, but that's another issue.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: we8seals on October 14, 2014, 01:20:32 PM
Anyone who thinks that Saido will be in an albion shirt at the start of next season - assuming his continued improvement - is in dreamland. Its not a case of Albion wanting to sell or JP having ambition or the balls to say he is not for sale. The reality is that bigger and wealthier clubs will come calling and once his head has been turned, which it most surely will be, he will go. That is just the reality of the Premier League and our place in the natural order of things, there simply is nothing we can do about it. The best we can do is improve our league position and pay - as we have started to do - higher wages and thus reduce the number of clubs that he might go to. If one of the top 5 or 6 come for him he will be gone! But a measure of how far we have come is that it the number of British clubs he might go to is a lot smaller than it used to be!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on October 14, 2014, 01:34:01 PM
£20million and I would walk to the buying club to get the money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie82 on October 14, 2014, 01:43:02 PM
Anyone who thinks that Saido will be in an albion shirt at the start of next season - assuming his continued improvement - is in dreamland.

In that case why is Bony still playing for Swansea, are Swansea a bigger club than West Brom?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on October 14, 2014, 01:46:38 PM
In that case why is Bony still playing for Swansea, are Swansea a bigger club than West Brom?

He's not English though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albiontilidie on October 14, 2014, 01:53:34 PM
espicially with the new rulings it adds money to the players and makes all the english players move to the bigger clubs
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on October 14, 2014, 02:04:46 PM
He's not English though.

So wouldn't that make him cheaper and therefore more attractive to the bigger clubs?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on October 14, 2014, 02:17:49 PM
But a measure of how far we have come is that it the number of British clubs he might go to is a lot smaller than it used to be!

Interesting point. What is also encouraging is that the club have actually produced a player of this quality, and given the progress of O'Neil and one or two others it is evidence that the academy is beginning to produce the goods.

Like others, JP included, I have wondered if it's worth the trouble and expense, but the more youth that come through, the fewer will follow the Izzie Brown route and jump ship for a life of bench warming.

Saido has had more experience in the Premier League and consequently huge exposure, far more than his contemporaries (I guess they amay have never all played together, someone who follows the youths will tell us I'm sure, but you get my drift) who left to chase the money. They must look at him and wonder if they did the right thing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on October 14, 2014, 02:51:49 PM
So wouldn't that make him cheaper and therefore more attractive to the bigger clubs?

Wouldn't have though so with the home grown rule and the chance to have a potential star England player amongst the ranks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 16, 2014, 05:19:50 PM
£20million and I would walk to the buying club to get the money.

i'd hold out for £25m  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 16, 2014, 08:01:26 PM
£20million and I would walk to the buying club to get the money.

Seeing as Long cost £12mill and we'd have to buy a replacement. We'd be looking at £12-15mill minimum really to replace Saido. Then you're looking at signing on fee's wages and the fact that he'd probably come from abroad, so people on here would moan about him not having Prem experience.

We'll be creating real problems for ourselves if we don't get at least £25mill and I'd prefer we didn't sell at all unless Saido forces our hand.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 17, 2014, 12:54:46 PM
In that case why is Bony still playing for Swansea, are Swansea a bigger club than West Brom?

Because Liverpool weren't preapared to pay what Swansea wanted for him this past Summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on October 17, 2014, 12:57:04 PM
Seeing as Long cost £12mill and we'd have to buy a replacement. We'd be looking at £12-15mill minimum really to replace Saido. Then you're looking at signing on fee's wages and the fact that he'd probably come from abroad, so people on here would moan about him not having Prem experience.

We'll be creating real problems for ourselves if we don't get at least £25mill and I'd prefer we didn't sell at all unless Saido forces our hand.
Agree would be a big risk if he keeps up this form that is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on October 21, 2014, 12:12:17 AM
Brilliant performance tonight. Reminds me of KP at times and is vindication of the good work that we do in the academy.

Something that I can't understand is why he doesn't have the love and adoration of the crowd. Any other club that had a player that has come through the ranks, a striker and a potential England striker at that, would be adored but it doesn't seem to be that way with Saido. I don't think I've ever heard the Hawthorns join together in a song for him, not even tonight after such a good performance.

I know he had misdemeanours last season but he was and is a young guy, definitely forgivable in my eyes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 21, 2014, 12:34:52 AM
Brilliant performance tonight. Reminds me of KP at times and is vindication of the good work that we do in the academy.

Something that I can't understand is why he doesn't have the love and adoration of the crowd. Any other club that had a player that has come through the ranks, a striker and a potential England striker at that, would be adored but it doesn't seem to be that way with Saido. I don't think I've ever heard the Hawthorns join together in a song for him, not even tonight after such a good performance.

I know he had misdemeanours last season but he was and is a young guy, definitely forgivable in my eyes.
remember, folks were prepared to get rid for anything after that, some believe in the one strike system and it'll take more than a few goals to change that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 21, 2014, 06:04:17 AM
. I don't think I've ever heard the Hawthorns join together in a song for him, not even tonight after such a good performance.


Well I am 68 years old, and my family say I'm going deaf but even I joined in last night Saido,Saido Saido, Saido Saido,
BERAHINO. I can only assume you were watching on TV.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Quakes Fan on October 21, 2014, 06:42:11 AM
Well I am 68 years old, and my family say I'm going deaf but even I joined in last night Saido,Saido Saido, Saido Saido,
BERAHINO. I can only assume you were watching on TV.

I was watching 5200 miles away on an Internet stream, and I heard it loud and clear.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 21, 2014, 08:22:13 AM
Before I start let me say this is purely my personal opinion & in no way is it meant to be provocative or an attempt to get people up in arms.

I watched Saido very carefully last night & other then his goal I thought his was the worst performance of the whole team, he was lazy at times, his hold up play was poor for the most part, the couple of times he did get the ball under & shield it he elected to try & keep it against 2 or 3 defenders when a simple pass to an Albion player was on & ended up losing it.

I appreciate he's still a young lad & playing up front on your own is never easy (especially against the top teams) but for me he has a lot of improving to do if he is to become as good as many think he can, hopefully he'll mature & begin to understand football is very much a team game & as such he has to work a hell of a lot harder then he did last night.

I have no axe to grind with SB just a little realisation that he hasn't 'arrived' yet & as one of the post's above mentioned maybe this is why all our fans don't chant his name universally, if he can improve his work rate (up to him) & the coaching staff can develop his leading of the line we might just have this mega million pound player that many are waxing lyrical about, till then its very much a 'work in progress' for me   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 21, 2014, 09:06:22 AM
Before I start let me say this is purely my personal opinion & in no way is it meant to be provocative or an attempt to get people up in arms.

I watched Saido very carefully last night & other then his goal I thought his was the worst performance of the whole team, he was lazy at times, his hold up play was poor for the most part, the couple of times he did get the ball under & shield it he elected to try & keep it against 2 or 3 defenders when a simple pass to an Albion player was on & ended up losing it.

I appreciate he's still a young lad & playing up front on your own is never easy (especially against the top teams) but for me he has a lot of improving to do if he is to become as good as many think he can, hopefully he'll mature & begin to understand football is very much a team game & as such he has to work a hell of a lot harder then he did last night.

I have no axe to grind with SB just a little realisation that he hasn't 'arrived' yet & as one of the post's above mentioned maybe this is why all our fans don't chant his name universally, if he can improve his work rate (up to him) & the coaching staff can develop his leading of the line we might just have this mega million pound player that many are waxing lyrical about, till then its very much a 'work in progress' for me

Personally I'd agree with most of that.
Last night, at times, we were looking for a forward just to hold the ball up and relieve the pressure but time again it just came back at us.
I'd agree that at times his decision making was pretty poor going for the Holywood finale rather than a simple lay off, but again that is something he wil learn with time and games under his belt.
The faults that are currently in his game are, in my opinion, the faults that will reduce the number of £15m suitors (according to some posters) that will come in for him.
All that said with the right nurturing he will no doubt become hot property sooner or later.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on October 21, 2014, 09:25:41 AM
He was very isolated in the 2nd half far to much with little to no service & the time's we did get the ball up to him 2/3 defenders were all over him like a rash & with on support would lose the ball 9 times out of 10.
He's still a rough diamond but he's a diamond neither the less.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on October 21, 2014, 09:36:12 AM
Well I am 68 years old, and my family say I'm going deaf but even I joined in last night Saido,Saido Saido, Saido Saido,
BERAHINO. I can only assume you were watching on TV.

I was at the game, I am a season ticket holder. Interesting then, I sit at the back of the Brummie and didn't really hear anything - certainly not all four sides of the stadium together. Maybe there's less Berahino love inthe Brimmie! It appears there were cheers, I'm glad, I feel it's deserved.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on October 21, 2014, 09:49:42 AM
Before I start let me say this is purely my personal opinion & in no way is it meant to be provocative or an attempt to get people up in arms.

I watched Saido very carefully last night & other then his goal I thought his was the worst performance of the whole team, he was lazy at times, his hold up play was poor for the most part, the couple of times he did get the ball under & shield it he elected to try & keep it against 2 or 3 defenders when a simple pass to an Albion player was on & ended up losing it.

I appreciate he's still a young lad & playing up front on your own is never easy (especially against the top teams) but for me he has a lot of improving to do if he is to become as good as many think he can, hopefully he'll mature & begin to understand football is very much a team game & as such he has to work a hell of a lot harder then he did last night.

I have no axe to grind with SB just a little realisation that he hasn't 'arrived' yet & as one of the post's above mentioned maybe this is why all our fans don't chant his name universally, if he can improve his work rate (up to him) & the coaching staff can develop his leading of the line we might just have this mega million pound player that many are waxing lyrical about, till then its very much a 'work in progress' for me

I have to agree with this. I'm a big fan of his and it's good to see him playing through the middle. However I do think he needs someone alongside him to look after him. Granted he was left isolated at times last night but we needed the ball to stick up top to relive the pressure. I actually though Sess was poor too aside from his goal. I really think we should have brought on Ideye or Anichebe late on in the game to give us an outlet. Instead we've just dropped deeper and invited pressure. Overall you have to be happy with a point as for long periods we were second best. Not surprising when you see the quality they have on offer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on October 21, 2014, 09:50:59 AM
There will be games when he is fed constantly , last night wasn't one of those games. I thought he did well and held the ball up well on occasion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on October 21, 2014, 09:52:07 AM
He's just raw and inexperienced, as well as extremely talented.  He is still learning the game.

We have to be patient - the wait will be worthwhile!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hulsey74 on October 21, 2014, 10:14:52 AM
I have to agree with this. I'm a big fan of his and it's good to see him playing through the middle. However I do think he needs someone alongside him to look after him. Granted he was left isolated at times last night but we needed the ball to stick up top to relive the pressure. I actually though Sess was poor too aside from his goal. I really think we should have brought on Ideye or Anichebe late on in the game to give us an outlet. Instead we've just dropped deeper and invited pressure. Overall you have to be happy with a point as for long periods we were second best. Not surprising when you see the quality they have on offer.

And i agree with this too :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on October 21, 2014, 10:34:22 AM
It's really tough to criticise Saido this season. He has come on leaps and bounds from last term, when he looked disinterested and unfit much of the time.

From the first game this season he has looked sharper, fitter and more likely to score.

Don't forget it's just his second season, and he is leading the scoring charts.

Personally I was critical of him last season, I don't feel it would be at all justified this time. As someone has said, he is a diamond.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on October 21, 2014, 10:36:32 AM
They both drift in and out sess and saido but while saido is scoring i wont criticize as that's what we need to keep us in this league a goalscorer its the most important thing to have in the side, Not just in game time this season but i watched a couple clips on hes finishing in training and it really is instinctive almost defoe esk, We keep him injury free and in my eyes we got enough to cause teams problems, Successful teams in the prem have a focal point in attack swansea have Bony Saints have Pele Stoke have Adam at the moment our man is saido and he looks like scoring every game which is something will desperately missed from last seasons abysmal showings.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on October 21, 2014, 12:00:58 PM

Anybody remember the days when we worried about how we would find a striker to replace the lost goals of Odemwingie or Lukaku?  A 15 goal a season Premiership striker.   

And this one cost us NOTHING!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on October 21, 2014, 12:13:53 PM
Anybody remember the days when we worried about how we would find a striker to replace the lost goals of Odemwingie or Lukaku?  A 15 goal a season Premiership striker.   

And this one cost us NOTHING!!!

Doesn't just score against the smaller sides either. Got a gem, needs investment and patience from the fans too but could get a hatful this season. Going to need thos great through balls to continue, that's why Brunt is so valuable to the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on October 21, 2014, 12:41:00 PM
Before I start let me say this is purely my personal opinion & in no way is it meant to be provocative or an attempt to get people up in arms.

I watched Saido very carefully last night & other then his goal I thought his was the worst performance of the whole team, he was lazy at times, his hold up play was poor for the most part, the couple of times he did get the ball under & shield it he elected to try & keep it against 2 or 3 defenders when a simple pass to an Albion player was on & ended up losing it.

I appreciate he's still a young lad & playing up front on your own is never easy (especially against the top teams) but for me he has a lot of improving to do if he is to become as good as many think he can, hopefully he'll mature & begin to understand football is very much a team game & as such he has to work a hell of a lot harder then he did last night.

I have no axe to grind with SB just a little realisation that he hasn't 'arrived' yet & as one of the post's above mentioned maybe this is why all our fans don't chant his name universally, if he can improve his work rate (up to him) & the coaching staff can develop his leading of the line we might just have this mega million pound player that many are waxing lyrical about, till then its very much a 'work in progress' for me

I completely disagree. I think his anonymity for a big chunk of the game was our inability to get the ball forward via the midfield. Berahino is a striker that will thrive on service, not an Anichebe that will fight for aerial balls then hold the ball up. I don't think it is fair to criticize  SB at all as when provided with the service he needs he finished in world class style. The only criticism I would level at him would have been that he should have went to ground after being blatantly fouled in their area. We would have had a penalty if he hadn't have stayed on his feet, but that is inexperience. All in all, last night would have added value and interest rather than detract from it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 21, 2014, 01:05:07 PM
Anybody remember the days when we worried about how we would find a striker to replace the lost goals of Odemwingie or Lukaku?  A 15 goal a season Premiership striker.   

And this one cost us NOTHING!!!

I'm sure all the time and effort the academy have devoted into improving him as a player would love to hear their work described as nothing.

The cost still isn't massive, but it's not as though hes cost us absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on October 21, 2014, 01:12:06 PM
Lots of strikers are anonymous for large parts of the game - but when he was put through for our second goal there was no doubt in my mind that he would put it away.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2014, 01:21:12 PM
30 million being touted by sports chat shows, i hope we can hang on to him in Jan
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 21, 2014, 01:38:21 PM
Berahino is the real deal.  :o

I'd expect to get £25-30m for him. Next Season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 21, 2014, 01:48:06 PM
I thought he was excellent last night.

I do agree though with some of the other posters that he held the ball up well but then tried to do too much when a simpler lay off would have been better.

However he is young and is learning the game and this will come with games and experience.

A top top finisher this lad is and I think he will get 15 league goals min this season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 21, 2014, 02:20:10 PM
I completely disagree. I think his anonymity for a big chunk of the game was our inability to get the ball forward via the midfield. Berahino is a striker that will thrive on service, not an Anichebe that will fight for aerial balls then hold the ball up. I don't think it is fair to criticize  SB at all as when provided with the service he needs he finished in world class style. The only criticism I would level at him would have been that he should have went to ground after being blatantly fouled in their area. We would have had a penalty if he hadn't have stayed on his feet, but that is inexperience. All in all, last night would have added value and interest rather than detract from it.

Strangely enough I completely agree with a lot of what you've said, although, I believe nobody is above 'constructive criticism', which is what I've tried to show in my post having watched the game in the flesh last night & again the recording this morning, I've not suggested that Saido becomes an Anichebe, as sadly big Vic doesn't score enough goals, however he needs to add a much higher work ethic to his game & a better awareness of the players around him if he wants to get to the top.

Of course I was delighted with the team performance last night but just like when we win I don't think every player was brilliant & when we lose I don't become manic depressive & exclaim that all the players need to go, problem with many fans is the final result tends to sway their judgement on how the team & individuals have played, as I said, just my opinion.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 21, 2014, 03:40:26 PM
30 million being touted by sports chat shows, i hope we can hang on to him in Jan

Surviving the season is worth more to us. If he doesn't sign a new contract, then he'll only have 2 years to run by that point and maybe he'll be worth selling then (having scored 18+ goals and being in the England team).

It would take a gigantic offer for us to sell in Jan as it would risk our season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: heycreative on October 21, 2014, 04:11:24 PM
I'm expecting Liverpool will be in for him in January. They are struggle up front and he's exactly the type of player Rodgers likes. They've over spent on a lot of players in the summer, imagine they'll do the same for saido.
If not, a swap deal for ballotelli anyone? ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on October 21, 2014, 04:19:58 PM
I'm expecting Liverpool will be in for him in January. They are struggle up front and he's exactly the type of player Rodgers likes. They've over spent on a lot of players in the summer, imagine they'll do the same for saido.
If not, a swap deal for ballotelli anyone? ;)

I'd rather have a Telly Tubby.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on October 21, 2014, 11:08:38 PM
He seems to strike the ball so cleanly with either foot. He can work the channels for a goal like last night. He can poach goals AND although he hasn't produced one this season yet, he can ping it with either foot from the edge of the box.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on October 21, 2014, 11:43:37 PM
I think he's getting physically stronger too and maturing at a rapid rate. We've got a seriously good player here lads. Keeping out our record signing too!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 22, 2014, 10:19:25 AM
I completely disagree. I think his anonymity for a big chunk of the game was our inability to get the ball forward via the midfield. Berahino is a striker that will thrive on service, not an Anichebe that will fight for aerial balls then hold the ball up. I don't think it is fair to criticize  SB at all as when provided with the service he needs he finished in world class style. The only criticism I would level at him would have been that he should have went to ground after being blatantly fouled in their area. We would have had a penalty if he hadn't have stayed on his feet, but that is inexperience. All in all, last night would have added value and interest rather than detract from it.
Strange as it may seem, I'm proud that one of our players actually attempted to stay on his feet, when the easier option would've been to cheat.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on October 22, 2014, 11:04:15 AM
Strange as it may seem, I'm proud that one of our players actually attempted to stay on his feet, when the easier option would've been to cheat.

Exactly what my son said to me at the time. After years of watching Shane Long collapse when a defender looked at him it was quite refreshing to see Saido stand his ground and try to gain a fair advantage.

And two minutes later he got his reward with the goal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on October 22, 2014, 01:18:21 PM
Good player, good attitude, will be become a massive fans favourite if he keeps this up.

Fell of the rails a little bit last season, but got his act back together, and is showing what he is capable of.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2014, 01:20:58 PM
well done Odemwonga for motivating him. By far our biggest name player
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 24, 2014, 07:27:26 PM
Idiotic comment on the Birmingham mail page. I've left a comment. I get so angry at stupid short term thinking.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-baggies-need-7993383?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on October 24, 2014, 08:27:35 PM
who the bloody hell is Bill Howell ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Downunder Stripes on October 24, 2014, 08:59:50 PM
who the bloody hell is Bill Howell ???
He is the Dingles correspondent for the mail !!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on October 24, 2014, 09:38:19 PM
Idiotic comment on the Birmingham mail page. I've left a comment. I get so angry at stupid short term thinking.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-baggies-need-7993383?

then they won.... it is a troll piece just to get responses.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 24, 2014, 09:41:51 PM
then they won.... it is a troll piece just to get responses.

You would expect better from a professional newspaper wouldn't you? Just a let down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mat15(MH) on October 24, 2014, 10:01:21 PM
Bit of a strange piece for someone who is actually an Albion fan. I can, kind of, see what he means but he's not really put it the best way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on October 25, 2014, 06:42:21 AM
Alan Irvine is considering asking Ian Wright to give Saido Berahino one-on-one coaching to ensure his finishing gets even better.
The West Bromwich Albion head coach played alongside Wright at Crystal Palace in the late 80s and can see similarities in Berahino.
Wright went on to score nine times in 33 England games and for a period was Arsenal’s recorded scorer with 185 goals.

Berahino, 21, is now tipped to win his first England cap soon after having taken his Premier League tally this season to six with a fine goal against Manchester United last Monday.
Irvine said: ‘I played with Ian at Crystal Palace and Wrighty had that energy and enthusiasm and wanted to run in behind people. Saido needs to keep on doing that.
‘Ian became better as he went on, he was one who stayed behind at the end of training and practised.

‘I have spoken to Saido and said that Ian and I have chatted about him. If I feel Saido could do with a little bit of extra help, I might well (ask Wright to help out). I would be frightened what he might do with him!
'Saido has got great potential and at 21 Ian was raw. But he had real potential, what he did was kept on working at his game.
‘That’s where Saido could be, a top striker. But he needs to maintain this approach he has got at this moment.
‘The big danger would be if he gets distracted by anything else that goes on, or if he just loses that little bit of focus.’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2807173/Saido-Berahino-benefit-coached-Ian-Wright-says-Alan-Irvine.html#ixzz3H8GQJas3
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on October 25, 2014, 07:45:23 AM
Wright wasn't bad was he? If Saido gets to be as good a finisher he'll be quite a player.

Good to see him making progress this season, last year I did wonder if he had what it takes, but it is looking very much like he does.

Just hope we can hang into him for a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on October 25, 2014, 08:25:34 AM
Idiotic comment on the Birmingham mail page. I've left a comment. I get so angry at stupid short term thinking.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-baggies-need-7993383?

What a prat.

What is the point of this non-story? Its not even if its from the ususal Albion journalist. Its purely been designed to stir up emotion.

This is the type of rubbish you would expect from the Daily Star, but given its a local paper it is a terribly bad piece of "journalism".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on October 25, 2014, 08:51:50 AM
Wright wasn't bad was he? If Saido gets to be as good a finisher he'll be quite a player.

Good to see him making progress this season, last year I did wonder if he had what it takes, but it is looking very much like he does.

Just hope we can hang into him for a couple of seasons.


I've never wondered if he had what it takes ability wise, the kid is a born goalscorer, however, after the Morrison incident and various rumours about his attitude I did doubt whether he would ever be what his talent dictates he should be. Thankfully (it looks as though the kid is taking on board what he has obviously had drummed into him, Irvine has even been making positive noises about his attitude.

Berahino has that knack that you can't be taught, he gets in the right places by instinct, he was born to score goals.

I don't think he's ready to be leading England in a World Cup finals or a European Championship finals yet but England have about the easiest present qualifying group they'll ever get. Maybe now is the time to introduce the kid to international football. He's a far better centre forward than Welbeck will ever be and I doubt we'll keep him for long as long as he keeps his feet on the ground and keeps doing the right things. It'd be great to see an Albion outfield player playing for England again, the last one was Steve Hunt back in 1984. If this happens maybe I'll even start dreaming that maybe we might have a 30,000 plus home gate again and who knows maybe, just maybe pick up a cup again. Hmmm, perhaps I'm being silly now?  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on October 25, 2014, 09:45:49 AM

I think he is the most talented attacking player we have had since Koumas(Lukaku not included as he was a Chelsea player), I had real fears he would squander his abilities in the same way. Really pleased to see he has listened to someone and changed the direction he was heading in last year.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 25, 2014, 10:04:44 AM
I think he is the most talented attacking player we have had since Koumas(Lukaku not included as he was a Chelsea player), I had real fears he would squander his abilities in the same way. Really pleased to see he has listened to someone and changed the direction he was heading in last year.

Hilarious comparison!

Not in the same league
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on October 25, 2014, 10:08:52 AM
Hilarious comparison!

Not in the same league


Untrue. Sheer technical ability-wise Koumas was very, very high class. Ask Steven Gerrard.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on October 25, 2014, 10:15:01 AM
Hilarious comparison!

Not in the same league

I hope by that you mean Berahino isnt in the same league as Koumas, rather than the other way round.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 25, 2014, 10:18:23 AM
The headline for that video clip doesn't really help. He makes a good point when it comes to him clearly needing to continue to improve but I think its fairly obvious its been made to be controversial and to get people talking and they have certainly succeeded.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on October 25, 2014, 11:18:06 AM
I think he is the most talented attacking player we have had since Koumas(Lukaku not included as he was a Chelsea player), I had real fears he would squander his abilities in the same way. Really pleased to see he has listened to someone and changed the direction he was heading in last year.

Sessegnon for starters is way more talented than Koumas was. There's numerous others who fit that criteria from recent years too, namely Odemwingie and Gera.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on October 25, 2014, 11:20:09 AM
Sessegnon for starters is way more talented than Koumas was. There's numerous others who fit that criteria from recent years too, namely Odemwingie and Gera.


No.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on October 25, 2014, 11:26:42 AM

No.

What a well worded rebuttal.

Sessegnon blows Koumas out the water in natural ability. Premier league sides fear Sessegnon in a way they rarely, if ever did for Koumas. It's hilarious how overrated Koumas is by our fans, he had a few good years in the championship and did precious little bar one goal against Man United in his premier league career - he was particularly awful for Wigan. You'd expect to have at least seen a few glimpses of this supposed amazing talent like we did in the championship. Instead it turns out that at the highest level teams just weren't scared of Koumas and his natural ability didn't see him have even fleeting moments of glory like it does with Sessegnon.

Odemwingie and Gera were also both as/more skillful, but more effective players. Certainly with Odemwingie i'm wondering how anyone could possibly think Koumas was more talented? In pretty much every conceivable way Odemwingie beats him.

There's tonnes of players with terrible attitudes that still have decent top level careers based on raw natural ability, that Koumas never had a top level careers is telling he wasn't this world player of the year in waiting some of our fans think him to be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 25, 2014, 11:53:24 AM

Untrue. Sheer technical ability-wise Koumas was very, very high class. Ask Steven Gerrard.

A player that only really performed in the Championship!

Odemwingie, Gera, Kevin Phillips, Sess all proven Premiership performers of a far higher standard than the massively over rated Koumas, never understood the Koumas love in, a failed pro, defensively incompetent, selfish and petulant.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 25, 2014, 11:56:35 AM

Untrue. Sheer technical ability-wise Koumas was very, very high class. Ask Steven Gerrard.

Steven Gerrard always said he couldnt get near Koumas....

But Koumas never lived up to his ability which was a shame as he could have gone to the very top

Berahino has the potential same as Koumas did, its up to Saido to realise his
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie Boy on October 25, 2014, 12:04:26 PM
Steven Gerrard always said he couldnt get near Koumas....

But Koumas never lived up to his ability which was a shame as he could have gone to the very top

Berahino has the potential same as Koumas did, its up to Saido to realise his

Very true, if I'm correct he also said that Koumas was not very physical, a kick and he would go missing  for the rest of the match.

Berahino is a tad more physical and I think a little more of a rounded player. Hopefully he can tap into this and become an Albion legend!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on October 25, 2014, 12:04:41 PM
Steven Gerrard always said he couldnt get near Koumas....

But Koumas never lived up to his ability which was a shame as he could have gone to the very top


Berahino has the potential same as Koumas did, its up to Saido to realise his


This is the point I'm making but some people seem ignorant to that. Koumas never reached the levels his talent deserved him to but in terms of natural ability he was truly top class. Had he had the application and dedication that matched his natural ability he'd have been an England regular and one of the best players in the world.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on October 25, 2014, 12:22:36 PM
He's Welsh ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on October 25, 2014, 12:33:09 PM
He's Welsh ;)


Well, sort of Welsh - Scouse. We'd have claimed him. ;D ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on October 25, 2014, 01:19:31 PM
You would expect better from a professional newspaper wouldn't you? Just a let down.

I wouldn't class the brum Mail as professional these days with some of the rubbish they've been running lately.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on October 25, 2014, 01:29:49 PM
A player that only really performed in the Championship!

Odemwingie, Gera, Kevin Phillips, Sess all proven Premiership performers of a far higher standard than the massively over rated Koumas, never understood the Koumas love in, a failed pro, defensively incompetent, selfish and petulant.

That's the point I was making he had the potential and talent to be the best but wasted it. I'm very glad Berahinio has got control of his ego and is applying himself in a way that Koumas never did.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on October 25, 2014, 01:40:55 PM
Sessegnon for starters is way more talented than Koumas was. There's numerous others who fit that criteria from recent years too, namely Odemwingie and Gera.
Completely agree. Some people on here go on like Koumas was the next Messi. He wasn't.

He was far too good for the Championship and on his day he was a very good Premiership player, but sadly that was it. Remember the quality was less even back then. You could argue Dorrans was/is better than Koumas too - he absolutely destroyed the championship under Di Matteo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2014, 01:55:00 PM
Completely agree. Some people on here go on like Koumas was the next Messi. He wasn't.

He was far too good for the Championship and on his day he was a very good Premiership player, but sadly that was it. Remember the quality was less even back then. You could argue Dorrans was/is better than Koumas too - he absolutely destroyed the championship under Di Matteo.

Because this is the Berahino thread I won't get into how much better Koumas was than Dorrans. In fact the posts on this thread about Jason the only name mentioned who was better is Odemwingie. Who is/was also better than Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 25, 2014, 02:29:17 PM
Totally agree Odewingie was a class player he had a side to his game I don't think Berahino will ever have.

That said I think Berahino will be a much more prolific striker

Different players though would have made a great partnership
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on October 25, 2014, 07:23:56 PM
Quiet for much of today, but fair play he has the confidence and front to take and convert the penalty. Especially as Puncheon was on the floor for a good couple of mins before the kick was taken.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2014, 08:37:13 PM
Agreed very good penalty, was quiet today and should have done better from the open goal from the edge of the box which was blazed over. Still, more promising signs from the lad. I just hope someone starts scoring for Liverpool soon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on October 25, 2014, 08:46:52 PM

Well, sort of Welsh - Scouse. We'd have claimed him. ;D ;)
He was a regular in the Wales team
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 25, 2014, 08:49:59 PM
Sessegnon for starters is way more talented than Koumas was. There's numerous others who fit that criteria from recent years too, namely Odemwingie and Gera.
agree , sess is the best we have had for ages..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on October 25, 2014, 09:06:53 PM
agree , sess is the best we have had for ages..
Agreed but Sess was taken out of the game too easy today by Jedinak IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 25, 2014, 10:02:34 PM
This may sound over critical but, he needs to vary his penalty kick, wide right of the keeper every time will leave him vulnerable to the best keepers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2014, 10:09:18 PM
This may sound over critical but, he needs to vary his penalty kick, wide right of the keeper every time will leave him vulnerable to the best keepers.

Not sure about that. If you get it far enough in the corner nobody is stopping it, you can even tell a keeper where you're going to put it and he won't get it if it's far enough in the corner. I recall a video of this a few years back. Don't remember who was in it mind.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 25, 2014, 10:11:40 PM
Not sure about that. If you get it far enough in the corner nobody is stopping it, you can even tell a keeper where you're going to put it and he won't get it if it's far enough in the corner. I recall a video of this a few years back. Don't remember who was in it mind.

It was very close to being saved today, Hennesey knew where it was going.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2014, 10:13:09 PM
It was very close to being saved today, Hennesey knew where it was going.

That's my point. He knew where it was going and still didn't get it, and he's got a good reach.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 25, 2014, 10:18:47 PM
That's my point. He knew where it was going and still didn't get it, and he's got a good reach.

Don't get me wrong, he is an excellent penalty taker, but a little variety would not go amiss.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 25, 2014, 10:22:36 PM
Don't get me wrong, he is an excellent penalty taker, but a little variety would not go amiss.
Many penalty takers don't actually change all that often, to the point a German keeper (Lindegard?) actually wrote them down on a piece of paper he kept in his sock during a World Cup (2006?). Even then that doesn't guarantee it to go in or wrong guess the keeper (see Gerrard as per our game at Anfield under Clarke)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies37 on October 25, 2014, 10:38:07 PM
Many penalty takers don't actually change all that often, to the point a German keeper (Lindegard?) actually wrote them down on a piece of paper he kept in his sock during a World Cup (2006?). Even then that doesn't guarantee it to go in or wrong guess the keeper (see Gerrard as per our game at Anfield under Clarke)

That would be Jens Lehman i recall.

He famously ran out of names as the last penalty was taken but made out he actually knew playing mind games with the penalty taker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqjNFjSvHV4
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on October 25, 2014, 10:42:03 PM
Berahino went the opposite corner against Newcastle, and Newport last season anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 25, 2014, 11:37:32 PM
That would be Jens Lehman i recall.

He famously ran out of names as the last penalty was taken but made out he actually knew playing mind games with the penalty taker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqjNFjSvHV4
Knew it began with and L!!

Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 25, 2014, 11:45:53 PM
Liverpool the latest to be linked

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2807925/Liverpool-eyeing-Saido-Berahino-West-Brom-won-t-sell-star-man-25m.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2014, 11:47:10 PM
Liverpool the latest to be linked

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2807925/Liverpool-eyeing-Saido-Berahino-West-Brom-won-t-sell-star-man-25m.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

The Liverpool link worries me tbh. Hopefully they go back in for Bony, or Mario gets his shooting boots on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on October 26, 2014, 06:36:08 AM
As long as he keeps scoring - he will continue to be linked with a big club move
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on October 26, 2014, 08:14:43 AM
The papers today are full of rumours that Liverpool will bid £25m for Berahino in January and will be in a bidding war with Spurs.

I'm realistic enough to accept that we are unlikely to hold onto him beyond this season, especially for that sort of money, but what would be the point of selling him in January?  Replacing him and settling in any new strikers takes time.

It is no use getting relegated with £25m in the bank, and I sure hope that we categorically refuse to do business to sell him in January, regardless of what then happens next summer.  Securing our Premier League status is far more important, and without his goals we are far less likely to survive.

Beyond that, I think we could spend £25m pretty well and really strengthen the squad, but we must make sure that we are not doing that from the Championship.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 26, 2014, 08:27:39 AM
We won't be selling him in January.

Whether we keep him beyond this season, less sure. Personally I genuinely think he would benefit from another two seasons with us - he's still developing and with us he will always get first team.

But then of course, I WOULD say that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on October 26, 2014, 09:13:41 AM
If he keeps doing what he is doing then he will leave thats just the way it is.

He should stay the rest of this season and next season. Then see were we are at then. Moving any sooner would be a bad move for him becasue his development would stop becasue he wouldnt be in a top 4 starting 11 every week.

He will be 23 in two summers time so i think that would be a perfect time for him to move and test himself with the best

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on October 26, 2014, 09:17:07 AM
If he keeps doing what he is doing then he will leave thats just the way it is.

He should stay the rest of this season and next season. Then see were we are at then. Moving any sooner would be a bad move for him becasue his development would stop becasue he wouldnt be in a top 4 starting 11 every week.

He will be 23 in two summers time so i think that would be a perfect time for him to move and test himself with the best
I think this is what he should do... but I think he'll go next summer and sit on the bench somewhere for  a while, shame really.  Maybe try for the sell and loan back for a season dodge?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on October 26, 2014, 09:22:51 AM
Berahino went the opposite corner against Newcastle, and Newport last season anyway.

And went top right against Liverpool. Easily the best penalty taker we've got.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on October 26, 2014, 09:31:41 AM
He's not necessarily going to sit on the bench for a long time if he joined Liverpool or Spurs. With teams that create a lot of chances, he could score a lot of goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on October 26, 2014, 09:37:13 AM
If a club came in with 25million in January then I would snap their hands off.

If we reject it and Saido goes on to have a poor rest of the season then there is no way he would fetch that money in the summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on October 26, 2014, 10:27:53 AM
If a club came in with 25million in January then I would snap their hands off.

If we reject it and Saido goes on to have a poor rest of the season then there is no way he would fetch that money in the summer.

But wouldn't selling him in January massively increase our chances of being relegated?  What benefit is an extra £5m or £10m of transfer revenue if we suffer the cost of relegation as a result?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on October 26, 2014, 10:35:17 AM
If a club came in with 25million in January then I would snap their hands off.

If we reject it and Saido goes on to have a poor rest of the season then there is no way he would fetch that money in the summer.

Mate we could have 100 million in the bank but who would we attract as good as berahino? Nobody! Take his goals out and were struggling really bad,if we sold him for £25 million as you say then what? Who we going get in as good as him?  We can have all the money in the world but were still not going to attract top players!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 26, 2014, 11:31:56 AM
Chris Lepkowski on Twitter two hours ago: "He'll sign a new deal at some point.  Contracted till 2015 so other clubs interest irrelevant in many ways."

Panic ye not.

In the JP article that came out last week he made comment to Saido's rep having a meeting booked in early November. I dare say a new contract will be done by Christmas, avoiding the January panic.

Also, he means 2017. the contract is till 2017, so two years after the end of this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on October 26, 2014, 11:36:51 AM
Are contracts worth the paper there written on these days? Clauses and stubborn stars almost make them worthless don't they.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 26, 2014, 11:58:28 AM
Can we keep the transfer rumours for the transfer forum please and keep this thread for Saido himself
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 26, 2014, 12:11:17 PM
We must keep him for this and next season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: rajesh-wba on October 26, 2014, 12:35:09 PM
Saido Berahino is a good player with decent potential. But I have to say some of the fees being mentioned are OTT. For me this is an indictment of English football.
As young, English strikers are so rare they carry such a premium tag! Would a foreign team entertain purchasing Berahino for said figures mentioned? Not a chance.

He needs to continue performing the way he is and there are still areas of his game he can improve.

As for who could potentially replace him - in an ideal world I think Peace would love a scenario where players from Academy eventually replaced players who were moved on.
For that reason - it could be someone like Adil Nabi who replaces Berahino - as if we were to sell Berahino for £25m+ - teams would increase their prices. As we've seen with Tottenham and Liverpool - sometimes money in the bank isn't a great option.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 26, 2014, 12:40:05 PM
Berahino went the opposite corner against Newcastle, and Newport last season anyway.

I'm fairly sure he went keepers right in the Newcastle game, don't know about Newport
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 26, 2014, 12:47:25 PM
Extended thoughts on Saido's rise

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/much-ado-about-saido.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on October 26, 2014, 01:25:06 PM
I'm fairly sure he went keepers right in the Newcastle game, don't know about Newport

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFCjtwgKsEs
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 26, 2014, 01:31:08 PM
Are contracts worth the paper there written on these days? Clauses and stubborn stars almost make them worthless don't they.

Clauses are an issue, but i doubt there are any in his contract as they would have been mentioned by now. I'm sure any new contract would have clauses, but they will result in Albion getting £££ when/if Saido leaves.

The player getting stroppy is a risk, but all the talk over the past 6 months is how Saido has grown up and improved and isn't the kid he was before. So i think that's a limited risk also.

If he keeps up with the ways things are going he may go next summer, but only for £25mill+ and only when we are ready. I can't see the top 3 wanting him and i can't see anyone out the top 6 being able to afford him. So it's basically Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs.  We shall see.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 26, 2014, 01:31:26 PM
Extended thoughts on Saido's rise

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/much-ado-about-saido.html
Cheers for that good read.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 26, 2014, 01:32:31 PM
I thought it was a typical strikers performance yesterday.

Didn't do too much, nor did he offer much but when the opportunity arose and you needed someone to keep their calm he stepped up and did the business.

I like his attitude this season - it's refreshing. He also looks a lot leaner this season. I thought he looked a bit chubby towards the back end of last season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 26, 2014, 01:42:50 PM
Extended thoughts on Saido's rise

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/much-ado-about-saido.html

Good article mate, interesting and reasoned response. I did write a comment, but it asked me to ,log in with google and when i did that my comment was gone.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on October 26, 2014, 02:09:02 PM
Is there anyone who thinks if we are offered 25m next season he will be gone . It's a lot of money and if we have stopped up and can add to that its a nice wedge to further rebuild the side .he will go if he carrys on scoring I can state with certainty .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 26, 2014, 02:35:16 PM
At the moment both club and player are right for each other. As ever a lot depends on whether or not he signs a new contract and how he progresses during the remainder of the season. Assuming he carries on at his current level and assuming that Liverpool make Champions League and they rock up with a bid of £25m it would be tempting if he only has two years to run on his contract. However if he extends on balance the best decision for both player and club would be to wait.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on October 26, 2014, 03:22:33 PM
Any one who would be tempted to accept 25 million would be seriously short changed in my opinion. I believe to get jp to the negotiation table bids north of thirty million would be required, think about it we are a well run club wwhich dosnt need to sell player. I hope to see him in baggies top banging in the goals
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 26, 2014, 03:32:28 PM
Any one who would be tempted to accept 25 million would be seriously short changed in my opinion. I believe to get jp to the negotiation table bids north of thirty million would be required, think about it we are a well run club wwhich dosnt need to sell player. I hope to see him in baggies top banging in the goals

In an ideal world thats what would happen but if the sounds that come from the player and his representatives are that he will let his contract run down or he is unwilling to agree a new one you have to bite the bullet and start discussing fees with other clubs. When he steps up to the full England squad thats when other players will be passing messages on and sounding him out about how he feels about moving to x,y or z club etc.

At the moment realistic fee would be starting at £20m plus add ons
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 26, 2014, 03:33:53 PM
We are a well run club who has no need to sell that doesn't compete in Europe and are some way off being a side that realistically challenges for it.
Saido, if he continues to progress in the manner that he is (well played coaches  ;)) will leave our club in the future for someone bigger and,  if we continue with having shrewd chairman in place, we will get a bucket load of dosh for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 26, 2014, 06:46:49 PM
I thought JP was about to meet Berahino's agent either last week or next week?

Good thing is, he is on a longish contract so there is no need for any panic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Brummie Road on October 26, 2014, 08:57:47 PM
The one common theme in these kind of situations, and really whenever we have sold any of our higher profile players over the years, is just how strong Jeremy Peace and the Board are when it comes to negotiations.

As always with these stories, it's impossible to say how near the mark they actually are, and it's not hard to understand why the media are linking numerous strikers with Liverpool at this moment in time.

I could just imagine the prospective negotiations in the unlikely event that this story was true:

Liverpool: We want Saido and will pay you £10M

Jeremy Peace: the price is £25M plus add ons

Liverpool: No way! we'll pay you £12M and that's it

Jeremy Peace: the price is £25M plus add ons

Liverpool: Look we'll go to £15M take it or leave it

Jeremy Peace: the price is £25M plus add ons

Liverpool: You're being unreasonable, £18M and that's our final offer

Jeremy Peace: the price is £25M plus add ons

(Liverpool become increasingly desperate as none of their strikers can score and Mario's set off another firework in his bathroom)

Liverpool: Ok, make it £20M and let's bring this deal to a close, and that's it, no more negotiation

Jeremy Peace: the price is £25M with add ons

Liverpool: Ok, (exasperated Liverpool negotiator now mentally worn down) agreed.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 26, 2014, 09:12:22 PM
 ;D

I think that's quite an accurate summary. Especially with the way Liverpool have blown their money this summer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 26, 2014, 09:48:52 PM
Go do one and swivel Liverpool
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on October 26, 2014, 10:35:49 PM
Liverpool are used to blowing huge money on English players, we'd take them to the cleaners.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on October 26, 2014, 11:06:50 PM
Wonder if they'd try throw Jerome Sinclair in the deal :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 26, 2014, 11:07:37 PM
Not being funny but would you join Liverpool??

Their one and only world class player is no longer the player he was they have Sturridge who would play over Berahino aswell

Wouldn't be a good move, they had a good season last year but that was down to Suarez this year they have been found out for the poor side they are and their lack of consistency
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on October 26, 2014, 11:39:37 PM
Wonder if they'd try throw Jerome Sinclair in the deal :o

...and Yan Dhanda ;)

I would hope Jezza gives them a hard time (if they are after Berahino) after poaching our most promising youngsters previously.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 26, 2014, 11:44:24 PM
I thought JP was about to meet Berahino's agent either last week or next week?

Good thing is, he is on a longish contract so there is no need for any panic.

Nope. In his interview with the papers he stated it was some point in early November.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 26, 2014, 11:55:44 PM
Not being funny but would you join Liverpool??

Their one and only world class player is no longer the player he was they have Sturridge who would play over Berahino aswell

Wouldn't be a good move, they had a good season last year but that was down to Suarez this year they have been found out for the poor side they are and their lack of consistency

Massive club, any concrete interest and Berahino would be out of the door before it hit him. If they could agree a fee with Jezza of course.  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 27, 2014, 12:00:33 AM
Which is why his career will falter if he did move there. He would be backup for Sturridge if he goes there!!

I agree with what you are saying but it wouldn't be a good move for him in my honest
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on October 27, 2014, 07:01:16 AM
This is all speculation. Spurs and Liverpool playing poorly and struggling for goals so they need something to write about.  As for the numbers, this is just made up by journos.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on October 27, 2014, 08:12:12 AM
i can't see him going to Liverpool they have Divock Origi who they loaned out to Lillie coming back next year
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on October 27, 2014, 08:47:03 AM
i can't see him going to Liverpool they have Divock Origi who they loaned out to Lillie coming back next year

He looked pants from what i saw of him in the week against Everton.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 27, 2014, 10:45:44 AM
If a club came in with 25million in January then I would snap their hands off.

If we reject it and Saido goes on to have a poor rest of the season then there is no way he would fetch that money in the summer.

you sound like a finance director. not a football fan.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dan7heman on October 27, 2014, 10:17:00 PM
I think we all know £25mill would be enough.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 27, 2014, 11:15:35 PM
I think we all know £25mill would be enough.

No we don't.

A direct replacement would be £12-15 minimum. Selling him to make a small profit would be very short sighted. Young, British, Scoring.... Worth more than money to us and I'd be very surprised at a sale this Jan.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2014, 12:51:09 AM
No we don't.

A direct replacement would be £12-15 minimum. Selling him to make a small profit would be very short sighted. Young, British, Scoring.... Worth more than money to us and I'd be very surprised at a sale this Jan.

We'd definitely sell at £25 million. The direct replacement is Ideye, that's the Albion for you.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on October 28, 2014, 02:30:23 AM
we would HAVE to sell at 25 mil because we could not possibly make him so unhappy - I'm all for fighting player power but stopping a move to Liverpool or Arsenal is going too far and is in no-ones best interest.

aside from all of that its the right thing to do anyway - sure he may kick on and score goals all his acreer but at least 30% chance he turns out to be a flash in the pan.

Does make the 10 we paid for Brown a look a bit toppytho doesnt it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: we8seals on October 28, 2014, 08:16:08 AM
No we don't.

A direct replacement would be £12-15 minimum. Selling him to make a small profit would be very short sighted. Young, British, Scoring.... Worth more than money to us and I'd be very surprised at a sale this Jan.

cant believe that anyone thinks we will actually have a choice in whether to sell or not
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 28, 2014, 09:20:36 AM
if he keeps this form up he'll be gone next summer. really hope he doesn't go in Jan.

if he gets 15-20 goals + couple of england caps, we should easily get £25m for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: valleybaggie on October 28, 2014, 09:38:55 AM
Don't know if he will want to go in the summer he may have his head screwed on and at least have another season where he can develop and the fans will give him time and not be waiting for results straight away. I also doubt very much he'll leave for anyone in January has he's currently scoring freely for us and as anyone knows it won't matter how much we get for him you can't buy anyone decent in the January sales
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on October 28, 2014, 10:37:59 AM
Definitely wouldn't sell him at all. Whatever the money, he's a goalscorer and you don't find many of those. If we haven't progressed as a club and are no where near Europe in the next couple of seasons then I won't begrudge him a move away if he has outgrown us. It would have to be a big offer though as we are in a strong position financially.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbatillidie on October 28, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
Lets be honest there's no way we would turn down £25 million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on October 28, 2014, 11:33:58 AM
does anyone know DEFINITAVELY what minimum % of a transfer fee a player gets?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on October 28, 2014, 02:42:23 PM
It's easy to say we should not sell him no matter what the price but if a genuine big offer came in, it would be hard for a club of our size to turn down.

Going on the crazy prices paid for british players recently I would say £25million was about where that offer becomes tempting.

However, there isn't a club at the moment that I would say would be willing to splash that on him and that's why I think he will stay at least until the summer.

I would love him to stay, become and Albion legend and win a couple of trophies but sadly it don't work like that anymore and he'll be off as soon as a tempting offer comes his way, no matter how much he comes out and says different.

The risk of course of not selling is that he is a one season wonder or he gets injured and ends up like Ishmael Miller did.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on October 28, 2014, 03:15:09 PM
It's easy to say we should not sell him no matter what the price but if a genuine big offer came in, it would be hard for a club of our size to turn down.

Going on the crazy prices paid for british players recently I would say £25million was about where that offer becomes tempting.

However, there isn't a club at the moment that I would say would be willing to splash that on him and that's why I think he will stay at least until the summer.

I would love him to stay, become and Albion legend and win a couple of trophies but sadly it don't work like that anymore and he'll be off as soon as a tempting offer comes his way, no matter how much he comes out and says different.

The risk of course of not selling is that he is a one season wonder or he gets injured and ends up like Ishmael Miller did.

Exactly what I think but got called a Finance Director!  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 28, 2014, 05:10:24 PM
The risk of course of not selling is that he is a one season wonder or he gets injured and ends up like Ishmael Miller did.

Of course it's a risk, if he was 100% going to have a similar goalscoring record over the next 12 years like Defoe for a random example, then in the modern market that's worth £30mill all day long. We risk by selling him and they risk by buying him.

If you have a guy scoring 15+ Prem goals a season in your team you'd be hard pressed to go down. You'd like to go Mowbray in the defence. He's worth more here than mere money, but if he won't sign a contract (no reason to believe he won't) then we may have to sell to be prudent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on October 28, 2014, 05:20:57 PM
Why would we accept £25 million from the Scousers when they were happy to pay £50 million for Andy Carroll?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on October 28, 2014, 06:26:40 PM
Why would we accept £25 million from the Scousers when they were happy to pay £50 million for Andy Carroll?


It was £35 mil for Carroll they sold Torres for £50 mil to Chelski.


Personally think £25 mil is about right.  We'll need a good percentage of that to bring in another equivalent striker who is perhaps more proven.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 28, 2014, 08:25:34 PM
Exactly what I think but got called a Finance Director!  ;D
sell sell sell sell sell!

 :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on October 28, 2014, 11:58:03 PM

It was £35 mil for Carroll they sold Torres for £50 mil to Chelski.


Personally think £25 mil is about right.  We'll need a good percentage of that to bring in another equivalent striker who is perhaps more proven.

Ah yes that's correct, thanks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: edrob on October 31, 2014, 06:05:33 PM
He has to do it consistently over a long period to be worth the kind of money being talked about here
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 31, 2014, 07:36:10 PM
He has to do it consistently over a long period to be worth the kind of money being talked about here

That's just not true. Calum Chambers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on November 03, 2014, 10:41:00 PM
and that bizarre panic buy of Andy Carroll
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 03, 2014, 10:45:40 PM
does anyone know DEFINITAVELY what minimum % of a transfer fee a player gets?

It's dependant on their contract, but common practice is 10%, unless they hand in a transfer request, in which case it's 0% (which is the whole point of the fuss behind transfer requests/plus it's a public deceleration.

As the contract he signed was a 1st proper one after being a youth, i doubt there's anything special in it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 04, 2014, 02:40:00 PM
Strong rumours around the stadium, Said could be off in Jan for £25m+, top PL teams like Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs all sniffing, and with Brown waiting in wings, they could well accept.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 04, 2014, 02:55:21 PM
Strong rumours around the stadium, Said could be off in Jan for £25m+, top PL teams like Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs all sniffing, and with Brown waiting in wings, they could well accept.

Round the stadium? Is there a game on we don't know of?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on November 04, 2014, 02:58:04 PM
Strong rumours around the stadium, Said could be off in Jan for £25m+, top PL teams like Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs all sniffing, and with Brown waiting in wings, they could well accept.

I think we'd be daft not to accept at that kind of figure. My worry is that I can't see us reinvesting it wisely enough. I've lost faith in our scouting department over the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 04, 2014, 02:58:07 PM
If he goes in Jan and we sell him in Jan then I will not be impressed, no need to sell and we deserve more than 18 months of first team action for 10 years of input on this lads career

But football sucks dont it!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2014, 03:01:13 PM
If he goes in Jan and we sell him in Jan then I will not be impressed, no need to sell and we deserve more than 18 months of first team action for 10 years of input on this lads career

But football sucks dont it!!

I imagine that's what the 25 million is for. Berahino owes us nothing mate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
I think we'd be daft not to accept at that kind of figure. My worry is that I can't see us reinvesting it wisely enough. I've lost faith in our scouting department over the last couple of years.

They won't reinvest. Ideye will be the replacement. Albion don't do incoming business in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbasoprano on November 04, 2014, 03:07:54 PM
They won't reinvest. Ideye will be the replacement. Albion don't do incoming business in January.

It's true and that's a frightening thought. We need to keep Berahino till the end of the season or I fear the worst.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 04, 2014, 03:08:16 PM
I imagine that's what the 25 million is for. Berahino owes us nothing mate.

Yeah I see what you are saying it would just be nice to get a few years out of a player that comes through and comes good for us

£25m+ = stupid money but hard to decline
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 04, 2014, 03:26:12 PM
If Ideye is still not involved/scoring I'd like to think they'd take a gamble somewhere on a proven striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 04, 2014, 03:34:54 PM
If Ideye is still not involved/scoring I'd like to think they'd take a gamble somewhere on a proven striker.

Ideye was a proven scorer until he came here though, as was Rosenberg so we would only go for the same type of player again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on November 04, 2014, 03:54:16 PM
Soldago and 18 million I'd be happy with or 18 million and origini from Liverpool.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on November 04, 2014, 05:26:44 PM
He's going nowhere for the next 4+1 years  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on November 04, 2014, 05:50:20 PM
He's going nowhere for the next 4+1 years  ;)

Interesting so he has signed a new contract? Though I mean it does not guarantee he will stay that long, but should get some more wonga for him now if he does go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RuncornBaggie on November 04, 2014, 06:40:55 PM
Suarez signed a new contract in January......sold in the summer.  He was going whether the biting incident happened or not.  In my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 04, 2014, 07:59:50 PM
They won't reinvest. Ideye will be the replacement. Albion don't do incoming business in January.
They aint daft , if they take anywhere near 20mil for him in Jan , they will have to get somebody in ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2014, 08:24:32 PM
They aint daft , if they take anywhere near 20mil for him in Jan , they will have to get somebody in ?

Why? They've spent ten million pounds on a guy in a similar mould who cannot get in the team because Berahino is doing well.

It's possible they will get someone on loan as backup to Ideye but... Remember Earnie!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on November 04, 2014, 08:37:12 PM
Goodness there's a lot of interest in a dubious post about rumours around the stadium.

Sources please Silver?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2014, 08:41:26 PM
Goodness there's a lot of interest in a dubious post about rumours around the stadium.

Sources please Silver?

Even if it's not true these type clubs will now at the very least be monitoring him closely. There is a good chance he will repeat Bullays claim to fame later this month and then the interest will solidify.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on November 04, 2014, 08:47:02 PM
Even if it's not true these type clubs will now at the very least be monitoring him closely.

You think? Oh dear, I thought he was our little secret.

Now I am really worried.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2014, 09:43:10 PM
You think? Oh dear, I thought he was our little secret.

Now I am really worried.

Why do you need sources then?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dan7heman on November 04, 2014, 11:52:29 PM
If someone offers 25 then both I and JP should bite their arm off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 05, 2014, 05:45:43 AM
Personally don't think Saido is anywhere near ready for a big move yet (and I was one who could see talent in him even from his Northampton loan years ago).Lots of work to be done off the ball wise and one or two other areas just yet , as with making it with us I believe his turn will come  for a big move but hopefully in years to come. I hope his respect for Irvine makes Saido think twice , I really wouldn't want to see him move like Sturridge or even Lukaku and sit on someones bench.
It will be very interesting how the next few weeks go now Saido is a marked man , already he has had a bit of treatement from Palace and Leicester.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on November 05, 2014, 08:48:00 AM
Why do you need sources then?
Simply because the post from Silver Throstle stated that there were "strong rumours around the stadium" yesterday as if it were somehow authoritative.

Now, had the poster said "I was talking to a bloke in the club shop and he agrees with Jacko and me that lots of clubs are bound to be sniffing around Saido..." then that would be different, pure speculation and conjecture, as you posted. But the poster didn't, the post suggested authority, rather than speculation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 05, 2014, 09:58:08 AM
Is he really worth 25 million, in saying that we need him for the rest of the season if we want to remain in the premier league
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 05, 2014, 10:13:35 AM
Is he really worth 25 million, in saying that we need him for the rest of the season if we want to remain in the premier league

I wouldn't say he is but the market for British players is really inflated and any player is only worth wahat someone wants to pay.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on November 05, 2014, 11:26:01 AM


If Andy Caroll was worth £35 million a few years back, Sado is easy a £25mill+ player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 05, 2014, 06:00:01 PM
Now, had the poster said "I was talking to a bloke in the club shop and he agrees with Jacko and me that lots of clubs are bound to be sniffing around Saido..." then that would be different, pure speculation and conjecture, as you posted. But the poster didn't, the post suggested authority, rather than speculation.

Careful Chipper, that's far too much like common sense.

On a similar thread i'd like to speculate that I'm about to become engaged to a fun/nice supermodel. Now I've commented on it, it's bound to happen and should now be treated as fact.

The thing with the doom mongers on here is that they are constantly negative and stating dour things as fact. Time and time again it's shown up as being utter bull and no one says anything. When eventually something properly bad does go down they'll be here to say "told ya, JP is ruining us".... Say something for long enough and it'll be eventually true.

Saido will one day leave. There, it's settled. Lets now put all this hot air to rest shall we?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 05, 2014, 08:58:37 PM
Even if it's not true these type clubs will now at the very least be monitoring him closely. There is a good chance he will repeat Bullays claim to fame later this month and then the interest will solidify.
What??
buy a donkey and start tatting ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 06, 2014, 06:54:38 AM
If he keeps improving it's common sense the kid will move on.
It's obviously in the clubs interest to facilitate that improvement whilst hanging onto him as long as they can. I think to keep him grounded they need do more than cite Izzy Brown as an example of what happens when you play for the big boys.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on November 06, 2014, 08:50:11 AM

The thing with the doom mongers on here is that they are constantly negative and stating dour things as fact. Time and time again it's shown up as being utter bull and no one says anything.

What you mean like on the Graham Dorrans thread where somebody said he almost always passes the ball to the opposition and i posted some cold, hard facts that proved this simply wasn't true and it just got completely ignored?! I actually don't mind the doom mongers, i fall kind of in the middle i think but when people say things JUST to be negative it winds me up.

Back to Saido - set to be picked for the full England squad today, should add a few more million to his price for when he eventually leaves? Tie him down to a longer contract and we can laugh all the way to the bank when he probably leaves this summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 06, 2014, 10:28:15 AM
No way will the club sell in January, no chance whatsoever.  In my opinion. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on November 06, 2014, 12:37:15 PM
Been called up to the England squad! Great news for him and albion!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 06, 2014, 12:38:56 PM
Superb news, pleased for him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 06, 2014, 12:42:13 PM
Its great for him to get the recognition for his form, quite frankly if you are the highest scoring English player in the league at the time you deserve the opportunity. With any luck he will get some game time but avoid injury.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: thelawyer on November 06, 2014, 12:44:53 PM
If you had told me at the start of the millennium that a player brought through our academy and first team regular would be in the England team I would have ordered whatever you were drinking.

A proud day whatever your thoughts about international football these days.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 06, 2014, 12:46:53 PM
Well done Sadio fully derserved, a great day for this football club a double celebration too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on November 06, 2014, 12:47:15 PM
Very pleased that Saido has made the England squad.  Hopefully he'll get some game time to show what he can do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 06, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
Pleased for the lad.

Great day to be a baggie with the Bomber statue being unveiled and now news of Saido getting into the squad.

Might put my bet on now for him to score the winner aganist Scotland.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on November 06, 2014, 12:48:47 PM
I am on record as saying I didn't think he had what it takes.

More than happy to be wrong!

Well done Saido lad, congratulations.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 06, 2014, 12:50:47 PM
That's £10k added to his weekly wage, £5mill added to his eventual sale and a really huge well done to the Accademy staff.

A big day for Albion, one of our own in the England team. The days of the early-mid nineties are long gone aren't they!?!  :o 8) :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 06, 2014, 12:53:28 PM
He'll be off now in January.

And for those who think Peace will wait, I have two words... Robert Earnshaw.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 06, 2014, 12:54:04 PM
Fantastic for the lad, and credit to the academy. I bet Izzy Brown is gutted  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Astle1968 on November 06, 2014, 12:56:29 PM
Hope he gets some decent game time in at least 1 of the games. However more important for him will be training and being around players like Rooney for a week an hopefully feeling like he belongs at that level.

Also as cynical as it sounds a goal against Slovenia and good performance against Scotland would stick another £5m on his value straight away.

It's becoming inevitable he will leave (I can't see him going in January unless we get really stupid money though) so lets enjoy him while we can. Great news for us as a club, and this will also hopefully help us keep hold of the current crop coming through. I know Berahino is a year or 2 older but  he is now odds on to be playing for England at the Euro's next summer whilst Brown, Dhanda and Sinclair will probably have 5 first team appearances between them for their new clubs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 06, 2014, 12:58:05 PM
He'll be off now in January.

And for those who think Peace will wait, I have two words... Robert Earnshaw.

Peace learns from his mistakes, not a chance in hell he will go in January, I'd put everything I've got on it.

Well done Saido, richly deserved.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on November 06, 2014, 01:01:38 PM
Fantastic for the lad, and credit to the academy. I bet Izzy Brown is gutted  ;D

Had we not suffered injuries and dallied around in the transfer market last summer then I doubt Berahino would have got his chance. Fortunately he did and took it with both hands. If Brown was still with us he wouldn't have got much game time and would have been shipped out on loan by now IMO. We still seem reluctant to blood our youngsters.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Astle1968 on November 06, 2014, 01:12:35 PM
Had we not suffered injuries and dallied around in the transfer market last summer then I doubt Berahino would have got his chance. Fortunately he did and took it with both hands. If Brown was still with us he wouldn't have got much game time and would have been shipped out on loan by now IMO. We still seem reluctant to blood our youngsters.

Don't really buy this argument. Brown was the second youngest player to ever play in the PL which doesn't suggest we are not willing to blood youngsters. Yes he could of potentially played a couple more games towards the back end of that season but he was involved in the first team squad and he was barely 16 years old.

Can anyone name a player over the past 10 years that came through the youth set up and didn't get a chance and has since gone on to prove that they were good enough?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on November 06, 2014, 01:13:14 PM
Peace learns from his mistakes, not a chance in hell he will go in January, I'd put everything I've got on it.

Well done Saido, richly deserved.

Selling Earnshaw wasn't a mistake.

Not replacing him was.

If Berahino keeps on doing well until January and someone offers stupid money then he'll be off. I sincerely hope he stays though
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on November 06, 2014, 01:38:24 PM
Don't really buy this argument. Brown was the second youngest player to ever play in the PL which doesn't suggest we are not willing to blood youngsters. Yes he could of potentially played a couple more games towards the back end of that season but he was involved in the first team squad and he was barely 16 years old.

Can anyone name a player over the past 10 years that came through the youth set up and didn't get a chance and has since gone on to prove that they were good enough?

Again it was injuries that thrust Brown into the first team squad back at that time. He appeared on the bench on many occasions but only got something like 20 mins of playing time. I agree that we haven't really had anyone of note come through the ranks. Is this really down to the fact that the players are not deemed good enough or not had their chance? It would be interesting to see where Berahino would have been now had we signed a couple of decent strikers early last summer?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on November 06, 2014, 01:44:47 PM
He'll be off now in January.

And for those who think Peace will wait, I have two words... Robert Earnshaw.

I bet you're a barrel of laughs on Christmas morning.

"It's all well and good being happy now, tomorrow will be different, no presents, two words...Boxing Day"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on November 06, 2014, 02:18:51 PM
Peace learns from his mistakes, not a chance in hell he will go in January, I'd put everything I've got on it.

Well done Saido, richly deserved.

Well, at least if he does go in January then we have got 2 months notice to line up a replacement.  Although finding a replacement with the same likelihood of scoring 15 PL goals is one hell of a challenge even if willing to spend £15m.

We really need to keep him till next summer if we are to minimise the relegation risk from losing him.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on November 06, 2014, 02:23:15 PM
Very well deserved and it's fantastic to have a player come through our academy and get an England call up. Hope to see him start against Scotland.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on November 06, 2014, 02:30:38 PM
Why are people saying he will leave ,...he has got this far because if his place in our team....cant see the appeal of sitting on the bench at Liverpool or Chelsea...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 06, 2014, 02:38:11 PM
Why are people saying he will leave ,...he has got this far because if his place in our team....cant see the appeal of sitting on the bench at Liverpool or Chelsea...

40-50k appeals a week perhaps?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 06, 2014, 02:56:52 PM
Hope he gets some decent game time in at least 1 of the games. However more important for him will be training and being around players like Rooney for a week an hopefully feeling like he belongs at that level.

Also as cynical as it sounds a goal against Slovenia and good performance against Scotland would stick another £5m on his value straight away.

It's becoming inevitable he will leave (I can't see him going in January unless we get really stupid money though) so lets enjoy him while we can. Great news for us as a club, and this will also hopefully help us keep hold of the current crop coming through. I know Berahino is a year or 2 older but  he is now odds on to be playing for England at the Euro's next summer whilst Brown, Dhanda and Sinclair will probably have 5 first team appearances between them for their new clubs.

Your probably right as Dhanda is only 15/16 and Sinclair is of similiar age.

Very rare you see 17/18 year old youth players playing regularly in any top level team (minus the odd player like Sterling).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on November 06, 2014, 03:36:30 PM
Congratulations to Saido and the club for the call up!  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 06, 2014, 03:38:08 PM
Selling Earnshaw wasn't a mistake.

Not replacing him was.

If Berahino keeps on doing well until January and someone offers stupid money then he'll be off. I sincerely hope he stays though

I honestly can not see it happening.  Jeremy isn't going to render a Head Coach, who he has taken a massive gamble appointing, without his best player during what is a very difficult run in .  We might get £25M for him but the cost of relegation will be far more.  Peace knows this.

If any club bids for him in January I'd imagine Peace will turn them down flat, but there might be some sort of arrangement or gentleman's agreement in place for that coming summer.

Realistically I see only one club being interested: Liverpool.  None of the top 4 will come in for him (yet) and Daniel Levy will not want to enter into transfer negotiations with Peace in January.  And would Liverpool even break the bank for him, I'm not so sure, Sturridge is quite a similar player to Berahino in terms of attributes and how they play the game.  There is also financial fair play to consider - will clubs be so ready to part with £25-30M in the January window..

I'm actually confident he'll be an Albion player for at least another 18 months but maybe I'm being over optimistic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: else on November 06, 2014, 03:40:58 PM
A new contract this month then we sell him in the summer is what I can see happening.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on November 06, 2014, 03:52:52 PM
The gaffer admitted that 3 points in the PL is worth more than an entire cup run (including cup victory). This shows the complete emphasis by the club on Prem survival. Saido won't be going anywhere in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on November 06, 2014, 03:58:22 PM
The gaffer admitted that 3 points in the PL is worth more than an entire cup run (including cup victory). This shows the complete emphasis by the club on Prem survival. Saido won't be going anywhere in January.

It depends how much is head is turned by training with the England squad. He'll see the flash cars and the money being thrown around and I am sure he will have his head turned.

After all I wouldn't blame him.

If he doesn't go in January he will go in the summer.

The only positive of selling in January is that we might get a club (like Liverpool) who will pay that little bit more.

Whatever happens, when he goes we need to make sure we have a decent sell on clause or apperance/goal clause in there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: maximus on November 06, 2014, 04:05:21 PM
Well if anything, It means i will now watch and be interested in watching England again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on November 06, 2014, 04:29:55 PM
well done to him and the club for bringing him through.

Does anyone think that Izzy Brown might be a tad envious and regretting going to Chelsea, he would have seen more prem action with us and his turn would probably have come next season or the one after, after regular appearances for us and being in the shop window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 06, 2014, 04:49:56 PM
well done to him and the club for bringing him through.

Does anyone think that Izzy Brown might be a tad envious and regretting going to Chelsea, he would have seen more prem action with us and his turn would probably have come next season or the one after, after regular appearances for us and being in the shop window.

On 15k a week? I very much doubt it. Izzy had no affinty towards Albion, we were just a stepping stone, it's not like he was a local lad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on November 06, 2014, 04:52:55 PM
On 15k a week? I very much doubt it. Izzy had no affinty towards Albion, we were just a stepping stone, it's not like he was a local lad.

I think if Izzy had stayed, we may not have seen Berahino until next season, if at all.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 06, 2014, 04:54:14 PM
I think if Izzy had stayed, we may not have seen Berahino until next season, if at all.

Why?

They play in different positions
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on November 06, 2014, 04:58:14 PM
Why?

They play in different positions

Because at the moment we only see one or two youngsters make the squad and even then O'Neil is not picked every week.

I just think that if Izzy had stayed it may have pushed Berahino down the pecking order a little.

Not that I am complaining mind as it has worked out in the end.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 06, 2014, 05:00:25 PM
We were also heavily stocked in midfield when brown was about as well, similar to now, plenty of people that can play in the middle. Strikers not so much, especially ones that score
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 06, 2014, 05:01:55 PM
Well done Saido.
 :) :) :)
In the FULL ENGLAND squad, forget £25m for him, now worth £50m plus when you look at what Carroll was sold for!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 06, 2014, 05:31:42 PM
Absolutely delighted for him but more delighted for the club and the academy.

A success for them as well as Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 06, 2014, 05:36:30 PM
Couldn't agree more, after all the doom and gloom over the summer, at last plenty to cheer and good news around the Albion, brilliant
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 06, 2014, 05:38:05 PM
Absolutely delighted for him but more delighted for the club and the academy.

A success for them as well as Berahino.

Agree. We've come on leaps and bounds since the Mkandawire, Chambers and Oliver days.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on November 06, 2014, 06:10:01 PM
The front three for England could be Sinclair berahino with izzy brown behind. Ridiculous that all three should have broken through together for us . Could have been special for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 06, 2014, 06:11:52 PM
Absolutely ecstatic for the lad, just proves that hard work and regular game time will get you everywhere.

Perhaps he will think of that when the big clubs come calling
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 06, 2014, 06:33:02 PM
One for the statto's
when did WBAFC last have a 21 yr old getting a full england cap ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 06, 2014, 07:15:57 PM
We nearly very nearly messed this up. Playing him on the right wing. The lack of impact from Ideye and Vics injury have benefitted both Saido and ourselves. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on November 06, 2014, 07:19:04 PM
Well done Saido.
 :) :) :)
In the FULL ENGLAND squad, forget £25m for him, now worth £50m plus when you look at what Carroll was sold for!!!!

Different positions I know, but if Luke Shaw went for £30m and Lallana for £25m...PL proven goal scorers always carry a premium...its got to be £30m-plus.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Brummie Road on November 06, 2014, 07:49:57 PM
This is great news and well done to Saido, very well deserved in my view.

Great as well for the Albion, and very nice to see two Albion players in the squad and hopefully both will get a bit of time on the pitch with the two matches coming up, particularly with the one being a friendly.

From a selfish perspective I'm well pleased as, to my great surprise, I won a couple of tickets for the Slovenia match on 15 Nov in a competition so am off to Wembley for that one with my son, and the possibility of one or both of the Albion players having a run out tops it all off very well.

But great news and will add a real interest in the two forthcoming matches for all Albion fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on November 06, 2014, 08:19:38 PM
One for the statto's
when did WBAFC last have a 21 yr old getting a full england cap ?

When was the last time we had 2 players in an england squad? Could be 3 if lescott carrys on playing the way he does
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie_1 on November 06, 2014, 08:35:43 PM
Way too old but shall be getting his Name on back of the shirt.....only been waiting like 15 years to put an Albion player name on an England shirt....better late than never!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 06, 2014, 09:04:28 PM
One for the statto's
when did WBAFC last have a 21 yr old getting a full england cap ?
I'd say never, Bryan Robson was 23 when he made his England debut, and I think he was our youngest.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mig on November 06, 2014, 09:19:50 PM
Genuinely one of my proudest moments as an Albion fan. Delighted for Saido and also the club for the 10 or so years of development that have led to this. Attitude plays a hug part in making it to the top though, so Saido deserves all the praise he gets for this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dan7heman on November 06, 2014, 11:00:03 PM
All the questions regarding the academy have now been answered. Either playing for us or a sale, this one player alone has paid for the investment. Let's hope for more.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 07, 2014, 08:44:05 AM
Well done Saido , a great achievement and shows where hard work and knuckling down with talent will get you.
Good to see him heap praise on his Mother saying at times she has had to get him back on track.
A nod must be given to Irvine for encouraging him this season and IMO Steve Clarke for coming in when Saido's career was at a bit of a cross road after being sent home from Brentford , i know Clarke pushed for that loan spell at Peterborough and watched a lot of the games after including him in Pre season with us.
Academy parents  being charmed by other clubs take note!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 07, 2014, 11:47:09 AM
No way will the club sell in January, no chance whatsoever.  In my opinion.


I agree. Sell Saido and in Jan we smell relegation
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 07, 2014, 12:21:55 PM
What club would suit him.Obviously when we do loose him what club would you like to see him go to.
Arsenal would be his ideal next step for me
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 07, 2014, 12:24:43 PM
What club would suit him.Obviously when we do loose him what club would you like to see him go to.
Arsenal would be his ideal next step for me

No, never sell to one of your rivals,  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 07, 2014, 12:31:08 PM
No, never sell to one of your rivals,  8)


ok Real Madrid then :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on November 07, 2014, 12:54:13 PM
When I look at it logically, Chelsea are not in the market for a stiker at the moment, Utd are decent up front, as are Man City and Arsenal have just bought Welbeck.

For me the only logical teams would be Liverpool (given that Balotelli hasn't really done much) and Spurs (who arn't that much better than us on current form at least).

For us to get the asking price we think we deserve (when compared to Andy Carol etc) then the club buying need to be pretty desperate. The only club I can say are close to desperate are Liverpool at the minute and they do have a history of overspending.

I still think JP will want to balance the books with Ideye so I won't be surprised to see Saido go in January (as I've said on another thread), but at the same time I do understand people's arugments about him learning from the past etc.

All the articles coming from the club at the minute seem to be about him putting his head down and making sure he stays focused. To me at least, it sounds as if some of the underlying issues from last year are perhaps not fully sorted and maybe if a decent offer comes in the club maybe tempted to sell.

Of course I am purely guessing and he may stay with us for years to come and in 30-40 years time he might have a statue outside next to bomber but from what i've read and how I have interpreted it, I will be very surprised if he is here this time next year.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on November 07, 2014, 01:38:32 PM

I still think JP will want to balance the books with Ideye so I won't be surprised to see Saido go in January (as I've said on another thread), but at the same time I do understand people's arugments about him learning from the past etc.


I believe this year, unlike other years (for example last year with the sale of Long), the need to 'balance the books' isn't as great for the simple reason we used the Sky bonus money to buy Ideye. I can't see us selling Saido this Januray tbh, it would take something truly astounding for us to do so as we don't need to sell (and no £25 million isn't astounding in today's market by any means).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 07, 2014, 04:13:20 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-saido-berahino-8070866

Talks about his ambitions of playing in Europe. Knew this statement was going to come out soon anyway. I think we can hang on to him until the summer anyway
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DaveWBA on November 07, 2014, 04:37:47 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-saido-berahino-8070866

Talks about his ambitions of playing in Europe. Knew this statement was going to come out soon anyway. I think we can hang on to him until the summer anyway

Absolutely nothing wrong with that, if he gives us 20 goals this season he can disappear in the summer with our best wishes. If he proves himself he deserves every chance at the big-time. Sadly, he wont get that with us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 07, 2014, 04:40:33 PM
Absolutely nothing wrong with that, if he gives us 20 goals this season he can disappear in the summer with our best wishes. If he proves himself he deserves every chance at the big-time. Sadly, he wont get that with us.

Never said there was  :D

Hardly bad news as the Mail are posting it as on Facebook to attract readers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 07, 2014, 04:54:52 PM
It's a bit of a non story really. Obviously if he wants Champions League football he is not going to get it here so a move would be required!!

For me he still needs to do it for at least 2 seasons with us before stepping up to the next level!! If he goes to early he could stagnate at a top club.

If he goes too Spurs or Liverpool he will not get Champions League football though for me he needs to wait it out for a club like Arsenal who will be in the Champions League
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 07, 2014, 05:13:40 PM
Feet on the floor young man :)  , as pleased as i am for him you can't ignore the lack of English striker's around.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on November 07, 2014, 05:16:33 PM
Saido is nowhere near ready YET for a top 4 team & play champion league football, top 4 clubs dont have the time to bring players on thats why they go for the finished player.
He needs to play week in week out to become more consistent if he moves now to a top 4 club it will slow his development down through lack of playing time.
If he stays here & keeps banging them in he will keep his place in the England team then maybe in 2 years time then top 4 clubs in England & all around Europe will come after him.
Play the long game Saido you know it makes sense.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 07, 2014, 06:12:03 PM
Apparantly on SSN in a minute saying why he would need to leave WBA to fulfil his ambition. I understand he may leave but he has had 3 months of good form, is that enough to warrant this kind of thing ??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 07, 2014, 06:21:39 PM
Apparantly on SSN in a minute saying why he would need to leave WBA to fulfil his ambition. I understand he may leave but he has had 3 months of good form, is that enough to warrant this kind of thing ??

If 3 months good form is enough to warrant an England call up then that's also enough to warrant talks of his future ambition.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on November 07, 2014, 06:28:24 PM
Apparantly on SSN in a minute saying why he would need to leave WBA to fulfil his ambition. I understand he may leave but he has had 3 months of good form, is that enough to warrant this kind of thing ??

I believe he is a United Fan so could be a childhood dream to play for them. Don't know why you would dream of playing for a mid  table team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 07, 2014, 06:53:38 PM
What we don't see is the question asked of him, which was no doubt a very leading one. He'd be lying to say he had no intentions of leaving and i wouldn't expect that of him.

On contract till July 17 and ours till then unless we decide otherwise. Only Man U and Champions League teams  :-* will get him i honestly think and he needs 12-18 months of performing to get them to pay up. Even if he eventually left on a free 30 months from now. the 3 seasons of Prem football his goals would no doubt equal is easily worth the cost is lost income (which we'd only have to spend on replacing him)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 07, 2014, 07:11:52 PM
What we don't see is the question asked of him, which was no doubt a very leading one. He'd be lying to say he had no intentions of leaving and i wouldn't expect that of him.

On contract till July 17 and ours till then unless we decide otherwise. Only Man U and Champions League teams  :-* will get him i honestly think and he needs 12-18 months of performing to get them to pay up. Even if he eventually left on a free 30 months from now. the 3 seasons of Prem football his goals would no doubt equal is easily worth the cost is lost income (which we'd only have to spend on replacing him)

IF he signs a new contract, I'm sure it will contain clauses allowing him to leave for Champions League football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 07, 2014, 07:15:18 PM
IF he signs a new contract, I'm sure it will contain clauses allowing him to leave for Champions League football.

Agreed, with a fee in the region of £25-£35 Mill and utterly no hard feelings from me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on November 07, 2014, 07:15:57 PM
Delighted for Saido on the international call up, as a fan its great, i started going in 86-87 season when we had just been relegated so i missed our great sides and then had 16 odd years of mainly rubbish, and like probably a number of our fans on here when we had players like Micky Evans, Paul Williams, Brett Angell as our strikers if you had said one day we would have the current best young striker in England playing for us, developed by our academy and also been called up for the national team it just shows how far we have come.

I will watch England games with a lot more interest, very proud times for the player, the club and us fans.

As for his comments on Sky, just seen them and i would imagine that 99% of all footballers asked would say they want to play for top clubs, in champions league, in world cups, etc. Only Saido knows if he really means that he wants to just keep working hard and doing well for West Brom and see what happens, or if he is really already looking elsewhere, his form this season suggests the first option!

I said last season it was down to him, by all accounts he got a bit billy big balls and at that stage you either continue down that path, normally not make the most of your talent and become known as a bit of a tool (ie - Collymore) or you snap out of it and get your feet back on the ground, Saido looks like he has chose the right option so far and fair play to him, he has a natural talent for scoring goals and finishing and that cant be taught, he has worked on that along with his all round game and he looks a much better player, still a lot of work to be done but he is young and i think if he has this season and maybe next with us he should be ready to step up, its his first season of playing week in week out, worst thing he could do would be go a be a squad player at a Liverpool or Spurs, when he moves to a club like that he should be in a position to go as the main man.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 07, 2014, 08:40:20 PM
I believe this year, unlike other years (for example last year with the sale of Long), the need to 'balance the books' isn't as great for the simple reason we used the Sky bonus money to buy Ideye. I can't see us selling Saido this Januray tbh, it would take something truly astounding for us to do so as we don't need to sell (and no £25 million isn't astounding in today's market by any means).
I think so and you can only sell him once. Peace must be fuming at selling long for lower than he was sold on for!! He will hold out for the absolute MAX he can in my humble. I would say £40 million if he scores for England at least in todays crazy market.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on November 07, 2014, 10:02:15 PM
If Berahino carrys on doing what he is doing then he will leave, thats just the way it is. I really think moving now would be a bad move for him. He needs to stay this season then next season. He will then be 23 and if he is still banging the goals in he has earned his move to a top club. Weve just got to get as much cash for him as possible
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on November 07, 2014, 10:15:58 PM
So sad we have to talk of him moving on really, sums the sorry state of affairs up in our game when a lad is on form :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 08, 2014, 12:35:30 AM
I must be the only person not delighted by the call up. I'm concerned purely with Albion. I don't want him injured. Look at the Sturridge situation at Liverpool. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 08, 2014, 07:23:12 AM
Bit of misquoting going on, what Berahino actually said was;

Berahino admits that while he's happy at West Brom, his ultimate ambition is to play Champions League football.

"I have a big vision," he said, "I want to play in the Champions League and for England in World Cups and European Championships."

Asked if that means he will have to leave West Brom, Berahino didn't duck the issue.

"If that's what it comes to, then yes," he said. "But I appreciate what West Brom have done for me and I could be here for some time."

"It's just an ambition. It doesn't mean I wouldn't sign a new contract."


No one can take offense at those comments surely, its what we all would do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on November 08, 2014, 08:15:54 AM
"If that's what it comes to" says Saido, talking about the possibility of leaving Albion in order to achieve his ambitions.

Who knows, maybe it won't.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on November 08, 2014, 08:29:34 AM
Bit of misquoting going on, what Berahino actually said was;

Berahino admits that while he's happy at West Brom, his ultimate ambition is to play Champions League football.

"I have a big vision," he said, "I want to play in the Champions League and for England in World Cups and European Championships."

Asked if that means he will have to leave West Brom, Berahino didn't duck the issue.

"If that's what it comes to, then yes," he said. "But I appreciate what West Brom have done for me and I could be here for some time."

"It's just an ambition. It doesn't mean I wouldn't sign a new contract."


No one can take offense at those comments surely, its what we all would do.
the way football is run sickens me, why can't a team like Albion get into the champions league to feed this kids ambition for fooook sake there are four places up for grabs.
Good luck to the lad with his call up but he should never be allowed by club to mention moving on to achieve his ambitions major faux par by media department at the hawthornes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on November 08, 2014, 08:52:02 AM
Cheap  journalism just pick out bits from a quote and try to stir an Hornets nest, then wait for the response .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on November 08, 2014, 09:01:15 AM
Just a thought.....but Roofes a pretty decent striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 08, 2014, 09:01:57 AM
I dont think he will go this season, he has made great inroads over the last couple of months but he still has a lot more to do I think before some of the bigger clubs come in for him. I hope that he wont pick up an injury either whilst been in the England squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on November 08, 2014, 09:38:20 AM
Just a thought.....but Roofes a pretty decent striker.

Not sure he's ready yet, or to be honest, that he will ever become a Premier league standard player; 6 games at Northampton, 9 at Cheltenham - 1 goal. He's just gone to 16th place Colchester in League 1 on loan and is 22 shortly into 2015.
Regardless, he is more of a winger than an out and out striker.

I think Adil Nabi has a better chance of 'breaking though'
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 08, 2014, 10:02:43 AM
You want players that are confident in their own ability but humble enough to know they still have some way to go as Saido seems to be. I would be extremely disappointed if we had a young player like him that doesn't have the ambition to push himself and eventually play Champions League football. When all is said and done for him to get to that level of football he would have to improve much further and our club would benefit from that and of course the future transfer fee.

I can see it being a good while yet before a Champions League club makes a move for him, I can see him signing a new deal here before Christmas and leave at the earliest next summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 08, 2014, 11:19:16 AM
You want players that are confident in their own ability but humble enough to know they still have some way to go as Saido seems to be. I would be extremely disappointed if we had a young player like him that doesn't have the ambition to push himself and eventually play Champions League football. When all is said and done for him to get to that level of football he would have to improve much further and our club would benefit from that and of course the future transfer fee.

I can see it being a good while yet before a Champions League club makes a move for him, I can see him signing a new deal here before Christmas and leave at the earliest next summer.

Regretfully its a fast moving industry.

If your good enough, age doesn't even come into it, and what ever level Saido has played at he has excelled, and there is no reason to suggest he couldn't excel at the veryt highest level. MIght well turn out to be the best striker England have had for many a year, at his age he needs to keep playing with the very best.

Unfortnately all the signs are he will be leaving in January.  :-[

Everyone can see the lad is extremely ambitious, and he wants to play for a club that's challenging for trophies, not a club that doesn't take cups seriously.  :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 08, 2014, 11:30:43 AM
but con he scower on his dayboo  ??  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on November 08, 2014, 11:32:00 AM
Let's hope Jeremy's got his poker face on in Jan.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 08, 2014, 11:39:03 AM
When I look at it logically, Chelsea are not in the market for a stiker at the moment, Utd are decent up front, as are Man City and Arsenal have just bought Welbeck.

For me the only logical teams would be Liverpool (given that Balotelli hasn't really done much) and Spurs (who arn't that much better than us on current form at least).

For us to get the asking price we think we deserve (when compared to Andy Carol etc) then the club buying need to be pretty desperate. The only club I can say are close to desperate are Liverpool at the minute and they do have a history of overspending.

I still think JP will want to balance the books with Ideye so I won't be surprised to see Saido go in January (as I've said on another thread), but at the same time I do understand people's arugments about him learning from the past etc.

All the articles coming from the club at the minute seem to be about him putting his head down and making sure he stays focused. To me at least, it sounds as if some of the underlying issues from last year are perhaps not fully sorted and maybe if a decent offer comes in the club maybe tempted to sell.

Of course I am purely guessing and he may stay with us for years to come and in 30-40 years time he might have a statue outside next to bomber but from what i've read and how I have interpreted it, I will be very surprised if he is here this time next year.
Liverpool
Spurs
Everton maybe
Newcastle maybe
some italian clubs
some spanish clubs
there will be interest and we would take over 20mill imo
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 08, 2014, 11:48:46 AM
Let's hope Jeremy's got his poker face on in Jan.

I'm sure JP will get the best possible deal, and will probably be £30m plus a player (Borini?), let's just hope it's not the highest paid penalty taker Ballotelo  :o :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wimbledon baggie on November 08, 2014, 11:58:58 AM
Regretfully its a fast moving industry.

If your good enough, age doesn't even come into it, and what ever level Saido has played at he has excelled, and there is no reason to suggest he couldn't excel at the veryt highest level. MIght well turn out to be the best striker England have had for many a year, at his age he needs to keep playing with the very best.

Unfortnately all the signs are he will be leaving in January.  :-[

Everyone can see the lad is extremely ambitious, and he wants to play for a club that's challenging for trophies, not a club that doesn't take cups seriously.  :-X

Very true. Saido's emergence has been a welcome bonus. We need to do what Southampton have done and sell at a high price and replace with quality. With the likes of Liverpool and Man U struggling it really is an opportunity for the smaller 'mid table ' clubs to close the gap.

Would be great for the domestic game if Southampton managed a top 4 finish. Would give us added belief to kick on!

We could go 6th Sunday if results go our way !! Boing Boing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 08, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Liverpool
Spurs
Everton maybe
Newcastle maybe
some italian clubs
some spanish clubs

No chance Everton as they spent all their money on Rom and Newcastle are never going to be in for a £25+ mill striker.

Liverpool maybe, Spurs outside chance, but I think Saido is too rich for their blood and they have Kane anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on November 08, 2014, 02:20:41 PM
Is it just me that thinks he is overated? It seems he is getting way ahead of himself here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on November 08, 2014, 02:27:40 PM
On what evidence are people believing he will be gone in January .There is no pressure to sell him just yet ,even more so when you see our run in towards the end of the season .absolutely barmy notion .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 08, 2014, 02:57:36 PM
Is it just me that thinks he is overated? It seems he is getting way ahead of himself here.

No its not just you, I feel exactly the same way & posted such a little while back.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on November 08, 2014, 03:18:33 PM
Is it just me that thinks he is overated? It seems he is getting way ahead of himself here.

Probably but his goal scoring record overshadows a lot of flaws elsewhere in his game and the tag "highest scoring Englishman" in the premier league is a bit like "Pride of the Midlands" sounds good but in truth you have to look at the level of competition with Sturridge injured and Rooney out of the Man U side for 3 games. However if he continues to improve and bang in goals the actuality will eventually catch up with the hype. Of course it could always go the other way the hype goes to his head and it all goes pear shaped.

For further updated thoughts
 
http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/much-ado-about-saido.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 08, 2014, 04:02:44 PM
Berahino's instagram account:

"Press conference went well today, its funny how they trying to stitch me up in the papers about leaving"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on November 08, 2014, 05:38:52 PM
Is it just me that thinks he is overated? It seems he is getting way ahead of himself here.

feel the same 79. chance of not scoring in the next 5 or 6 matches would make the talk and transfer fee banded about look stupid, since when do we turn average players who have a decent 1/3rd of a season into superstars.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 08, 2014, 06:03:32 PM
I think the last game told me how good he can be.. Didn't score but ran the line well dragged defenders all over the shop.  The one thing I'm finding impressive is his hold up play he looks very strong on the ball

Long long way for the lad to go yet though needs to score on a regular basis for a couple of seasons to be classed as a serious prospect
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 08, 2014, 10:12:03 PM
No its not just you, I feel exactly the same way & posted such a little while back.
I'd agree too , backed him to come good for years but still feel there's loads of work and learning to be done. Lack of decent English forwards has bought all this early.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 08, 2014, 10:24:12 PM
I don't think he's overrated as he is what he is, a young lad learning his trade in the top division of the toughest league around. I think its more the usual case of the media over-hyping someone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 08, 2014, 10:36:44 PM
All the interviews I have heard this week sounds to me like billy big boots, no doubt agent driven. Just the way things are this day and age.25 mil snap any bodies hand off. Liverpool are desperate . God help us when he starts mingling with the stars, the rich next week

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on November 08, 2014, 10:44:24 PM
I think he's been generally level headed in his interviews and I'm sure his feet will be kept firmly on the ground by those around him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on November 08, 2014, 10:52:47 PM
All the interviews I have heard this week sounds to me like billy big boots, no doubt agent driven. Just the way things are this day and age.25 mil snap any bodies hand off. Liverpool are desperate . God help us when he starts mingling with the stars, the rich next week

The edited quotes make it look that way, the full story is a different story and he comes across level-headed. We can't stop him from having ambition! If he wanted to sit at a team who has flirted mid to lower table then he'd get complacent. He HAS to show ambition. If we want to keep players like him, then we have to match that ambition
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kamarasboot on November 09, 2014, 09:13:20 AM
The reality is he will move to whoever offers what's Peace wants and whoever offers him the most in wages. The young lad can say what he likes about ambition and professional goals, I'm sure at some level its true but unfortunately today it's a case of 'money talks'

My personal view is that he if he were to leave January or the summer he'd fall away as a player. The one thing that's helping more than anything at the moment is playing regularly, we are a side who will play him and afford him some mistakes etc. would he get that at a top top side, not too sure. I'm also not too sure he's the great striker everyone is making him out to be, more the fact he's young, English and scored a couple. I know it's wrong to compare players because it's not 'apples to apples' but I look at the top strikers out there at the moment and can't see that you'd have Saido over them.

Hope he stays and develops as a player for a couple of seasons but everyone knows how these things work. We're looking at the liverpools, Man Utd etc because of the champions league and titles - when in reality he'll end up at some one like West Ham, Everton et el because they over him 70k a week - just look at Lukaku.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 09, 2014, 04:17:59 PM
I hesitate to ask this but here goes
Is Saido really that good?
5 goals from open play,
can be anonymous for long periods.

The media are building him up for a major fall IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 09, 2014, 06:08:45 PM
I think today was a good indicator that he is much better upfront on his own rather than sharing the duties with a team mate. He has been very good all season, improving many assets of his game, whether its the timing of his runs, his upper body strength and the ability to hold up the ball and link play with his team-mates. He has without doubt excelled this season. Unfortunately, when we add an additional forward we literally negate all of his best assets, in particular when that striker is Anichebe whose primary purpose is too hold possession.

Saido is much more rounded striker in my opinion with far more attributes to his game. Anichebe is a good option to bring off the bench, that is where he'll cause the majority of his havoc. Saido, this season is the only player within our side that actually looks like scoring on a regular basis so I do get concerns when I see him either being shunted wide to accommodate others or having to drop deeper into unfamiliar territory just so we can accommodate a lump of a target man.

He has showed plenty of progress this year - progress where I now feel we should be building our midfield around him because the fact of the matter is he is the only person at this club who has the ability to get us the goals we need. For heavens sake, don't nullify him just to accommodate others who offer nowhere near enough.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Avonbaggie on November 09, 2014, 06:26:34 PM
He was poor today but probably didn't want to risk injury before the international break..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 09, 2014, 06:45:43 PM
I hesitate to ask this but here goes
Is Saido really that good?
5 goals from open play,
can be anonymous for long periods.

The media are building him up for a major fall IMO.
Doesn't matter. Calum Chambers and Luke Shaw fees mean we will get big bucks for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 09, 2014, 06:47:44 PM
I honestly thought he played well within himself with a view to linking up with the England team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 09, 2014, 06:50:44 PM
He was poor by the high standards he has set, but he wasn't in his best role and had no real chances.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on November 09, 2014, 07:57:47 PM
I hesitate to ask this but here goes
Is Saido really that good?
5 goals from open play,
can be anonymous for long periods.

The media are building him up for a major fall IMO.

He's not exactly receiving great service though is he?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 09, 2014, 08:17:09 PM
He's not exactly receiving great service though is he?
Agreed but the hype is so intense, a goal for england will see bloody hysteria break out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 09, 2014, 08:43:56 PM
Agreed but the hype is so intense, a goal for england will see bloody hysteria break out.

Its the English way, build them up to rip the pooh out of them later
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 09, 2014, 09:32:15 PM
Is it just me that thinks he is overated? It seems he is getting way ahead of himself here.
Micheal Johnson, Neil Mellor ??
Id sell tomorrow , if we get anything over 20mil and hes good , we will have a sell on and a nice profit , if he dips off , we have made a profit and some other mugs worry about the hyperwage.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 09, 2014, 10:21:04 PM
Its the English way, build them up to rip the pooh out of them later
oi"..no one had a bad word for Bullay ????
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 09, 2014, 10:31:34 PM
oi"..no one had a bad word for Bullay ????

I can think of a few  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 10, 2014, 08:24:07 AM
Hes getting no support from midfield whatsoever
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Wbahunty on November 10, 2014, 10:25:43 AM
To me, I cannot wait for the January Transfer window.

Sell him as soon as possible because I dont think he is all that he is being hyped up to be!

This post might come back to haunt me in 5-10 years but watching this season he has only one game and thats the through ball to run onto. He cannot beat a player, go past a player. Everytime a knock on or header was won he was no where near the play yesterday!

Take away the Manchester and Burnley goals the rest have been penalites and goal line tap ins! I know you have to be there to score them but he was our worst player on the pitch yesterday...offered absolutly nothing apart from a shot that stung Kruls hands and even then he nearly missed the chance as he didnt read the play!

Let him score for England get the big clubs intrsted and flog him for big bucks!

Thats the best we can hope for anyways, hes got Champions League ambitions you know!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 10, 2014, 01:03:02 PM
To me, I cannot wait for the January Transfer window.

Sell him as soon as possible because I dont think he is all that he is being hyped up to be!

This post might come back to haunt me in 5-10 years but watching this season he has only one game and thats the through ball to run onto. He cannot beat a player, go past a player. Everytime a knock on or header was won he was no where near the play yesterday!

Take away the Manchester and Burnley goals the rest have been penalites and goal line tap ins! I know you have to be there to score them but he was our worst player on the pitch yesterday...offered absolutly nothing apart from a shot that stung Kruls hands and even then he nearly missed the chance as he didnt read the play!

Let him score for England get the big clubs intrsted and flog him for big bucks!

Thats the best we can hope for anyways, hes got Champions League ambitions you know!

well done for saying what I have been thinking, the hype is amazingly over the top.
I think media are struggling for "positives" with scousers, mancs & spuds struggling
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: John Rest on November 10, 2014, 03:28:04 PM
Could have easily mistaken him for not playing yesterday.

Still, who doesn't have games like that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on November 10, 2014, 05:19:48 PM
CHAIRMAN Jeremy Peace today assures Albion supporters that the club has no plans to sell its rising England star Saido Berahino.

The 21-year-old Academy graduate forward is the talk of the Premier League after becoming the top-scoring Englishman and winning a first call to Roy Hodgson’s senior squad.

It has triggered intense speculation about the striker’s future with Berahino facing a deluge of questions about his ambitions.

But Albion have nurtured Berahino since he first arrived at the club as an 11-year-old and the Chairman today stresses that he does not see the striker’s immediate future being played out anywhere else but at The Hawthorns.

He also confirms that talks have recently begun about Berahino, who is contracted for another three years at Albion, extending his current deal commitment.

The Chairman says: “I wish to assure our supporters that Saido Berahino will not be going anywhere in January or, I hope, next summer. It is not in our minds at all to trade a footballer the club has worked so diligently to develop.

“He is contracted to play for West Bromwich Albion until at least the summer of 2017 and we are happy to sit down with him and discuss extending that commitment on terms which recognise his continuing improvement as a footballer and his growing importance to our own plans.

“We have begun that process by opening preliminary talks with Saido’s representatives.

“We are delighted that this development has now taken him all the way to the senior England squad. This reflects proudly on our club and the efforts of all the staff who have played such a key role in Saido’s progress since he arrived here as an 11-year-old.

“However, it seems to have also generated unwarranted and excitable speculation about his future - which I wish to stress remains very firmly aligned to this football club.”

 http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/chairman-clarifies-berahino-stance-2075821.aspx#rKo3Hl5UZIuDtCI9.99 (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/chairman-clarifies-berahino-stance-2075821.aspx#rKo3Hl5UZIuDtCI9.99)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 10, 2014, 06:44:07 PM
The cynics will say this is JP talking up the price. I do think the numbers being bandied about are ridiculous, but we do need to keep Saido until an adfequate replacement is in situ. I'm sure JP will be only too aware of that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on November 10, 2014, 07:02:26 PM
Seeing as he is the only player who will get over 5 goals yes we kind of need to keep him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on November 10, 2014, 07:35:57 PM
I think he is being over -hyped, but I also think it was unfair to single him out on Sunday, when he was feeding on scraps all game
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 10, 2014, 07:39:04 PM
I think he is being over -hyped, but I also think it was unfair to single him out on Sunday, when he was feeding on scraps all game


He had no support from his midfield whatsoever, his midfield were to busy passing to eachother in their own half.You watch him score for England with midfielders that pass to him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on November 10, 2014, 07:44:32 PM
They were talking on WM tonight about Berahino being interviewed stating the 'I score the goals', 'I do this and I do that' rather than thanking teammates etc for his International call up.  Can anyone confirm this?


I think the kid is talented but there are massive question marks about his attitude.  That 'billy big b******s' hasn't entirely gone away IMO.


I wouldn't take too much notice of what JP has said today.  I read his comments more along the lines of 'we dont have to sell' rather than 'we dont want to sell'. If Liverpool or anyone else offers £25mil he's gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on November 10, 2014, 08:31:09 PM

I think the kid is talented but there are massive question marks about his attitude.  That 'billy big b******s' hasn't entirely gone away IMO.


I think having abit of arrogance is good its just keeping it under controllable levels, I would imagine after last season hes learnt a lesson about how far he can take it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 10, 2014, 08:32:00 PM
The cynics will say this is JP talking up the price. I do think the numbers being bandied about are ridiculous, but we do need to keep Saido until an adfequate replacement is in situ. I'm sure JP will be only too aware of that.
Think the timing of this and JP mentioning the effort we've gone to in nurturing him, maybe reminding people, including the FA, that it can be in the interests of English football, if young players stay at the club where they are developed instead of being nabbed by the big boys in their mid teens.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on November 10, 2014, 09:51:47 PM
They were talking on WM tonight about Berahino being interviewed stating the 'I score the goals', 'I do this and I do that' rather than thanking teammates etc for his International call up.  Can anyone confirm this?


I think the kid is talented but there are massive question marks about his attitude.  That 'billy big b******s' hasn't entirely gone away IMO.


I wouldn't take too much notice of what JP has said today.  I read his comments more along the lines of 'we dont have to sell' rather than 'we dont want to sell'. If Liverpool or anyone else offers £25mil he's gone.

Saido is a lovely down to earth kid. Spent an hour in my school recently to promote sport totally voluntarily. Did a q&a session with 10 and 11 year olds and he was fab.
He thought a lot of Anelka, as he was brilliant nurturing the kids apparently. Very pleasant likeable lad who definitely wasn't billy big time.

Too many newspaper articles stir things up. Read all the quotes in context e.g. The latest he wants to leave story. He actually said I am happy to stay this year, the next but at some point I want to play champions league so I may need to move. That is on newsnow as hints he is leaving in loads of papers headlines.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 11, 2014, 12:57:49 PM
Saido missed England training today according to Sky Sports.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbasoprano on November 11, 2014, 02:01:36 PM
Saido missed England training today according to Sky Sports.

Just an extra days rest because he (apparently) played on Sunday
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 11, 2014, 08:19:33 PM
hes ok , but id sell for sure
20mil and its adios , the problem is who you get in ?

Brown could do with a run of 6 games to get his shooting boots , if he starts to work we could loan one for the rest of the season and spend in summer .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 11, 2014, 10:41:53 PM
hes ok , but id sell for sure
20mil and its adios , the problem is who you get in ?

Brown could do with a run of 6 games to get his shooting boots , if he starts to work we could loan one for the rest of the season and spend in summer .

You have answered your own question!!  If you can get 20m for a player but can't find a replacement then surely you don't sell the player in the first place
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 12, 2014, 08:45:55 AM
My friends brother plays for the academy and hes echoed the above post about Saidos attitude.

Apparntly he talks to the young lads all the time and always has time to offer advice and help.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 14, 2014, 10:02:11 PM
You have answered your own question!!  If you can get 20m for a player but can't find a replacement then surely you don't sell the player in the first place
indeed, but its going to have to be answered.
i have no doubt he will be off, its easy for anyone on here to stay refuse 20-30 mill, but when its your own money??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 14, 2014, 10:02:53 PM
Sell him for £20 million and buy another two Ideye Browns  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on November 15, 2014, 08:29:37 AM
According to today's Sun, Inter and Juventus are also interested in Saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on November 15, 2014, 08:47:36 AM
Really interesting article here about saido http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/berahino-how-it-all-started-2084894.aspx
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 15, 2014, 11:44:25 AM
According to today's Sun, Inter and Juventus are also interested in Saido


That would be a much better move for him in his development and future England potential
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 15, 2014, 01:16:18 PM

That would be a much better move for him in his development and future England potential
Also no chance of him scoring against....that's if we don't draw them in the Champion League. ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: philwba1 on November 15, 2014, 04:04:45 PM
Good piece of reading, hope he comes back from England duty the same as he seems to have gone away with a level head after last seasons shenanigans and doesn't start getting above his station again or Mozza will have to step in again  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on November 15, 2014, 04:28:14 PM
If Berahino goes, who is going to score the 10+ goals needed? Anichebe ??? Ideye ???
Teams that don't score enough goals, are going in only one direction.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 15, 2014, 05:22:36 PM
If Berahino goes, who is going to score the 10+ goals needed? Anichebe ??? Ideye ???
Teams that don't score enough goals, are going in only one direction.
Palace did fine and had one off if not THE lowest tally in the league last year. We had this conversation last year despite out scoring most of the teams around us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on November 15, 2014, 06:14:57 PM
Palace did fine and had one off if not THE lowest tally in the league last year. We had this conversation last year despite out scoring most of the teams around us.

They also conceded quite a few less too. Less than Liverpool did in fact. We are shipping 2 per game at home.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on November 15, 2014, 06:20:16 PM
Sell him for £20 million and buy another two Ideye Browns  ;D

That would happen.

Frustrating when you think Tadic and Pelle cost Southampton a combined £20m.  Plus they were both fit enough to start the season. Our scouting and recruitment has been poor for some time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 15, 2014, 06:23:12 PM
They also conceded quite a few less too. Less than Liverpool did in fact. We are shipping 2 per game at home.
and so you proved my point, its more about not conceding than scoring a tonne of goals. Id also ask how many do we ship away from home?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bishop brennan on November 15, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
Don't know if its been previously post but this is the start of the Saido era

https://twitter.com/SteveHopcroft/status/530431009620516867/photo/1

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 15, 2014, 10:33:44 PM
Really interesting article here about saido http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/berahino-how-it-all-started-2084894.aspx
An excellent insight into the player and the academy. We should cherish this kid while we can.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 15, 2014, 11:05:42 PM
Really interesting article here about saido http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/berahino-how-it-all-started-2084894.aspx

'Saido is a role model to the other boys'.

Amazing that, considering so many of our fans don't think footballers are role models (see Ched Evans thread).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 15, 2014, 11:37:38 PM
Really interesting article here about saido http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/berahino-how-it-all-started-2084894.aspx
Interesting stuff. I've always been quite impressed by Mark Harrison's views when he's written about the academy in the match programme.
I agree with the bit about the way Saido strikes the ball so cleanly - and with either foot.

Think he should be first call for direct free kicks just outside the box. Our record of working the keeper from these is pretty abysmal and it's time to change it and one or two should practice hitting the target a bit more.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 15, 2014, 11:46:46 PM
'Saido is a role model to the other boys'.

Amazing that, considering so many of our fans don't think footballers are role models (see Ched Evans thread).
Outside the profession not so much, even in the profession its avbit obscure, as they say in the Q&A:

"You can share experiences with the boys that they can touch and relate to as well. If you are talking about Wayne Rooney or someone else, they are a little bit abstract to them because they have never met Wayne Rooney. With Saido, they can touch and feel him, he’s in their environment."

Saido is a role model in same way as their dad may be, rather than a disconnected celebrity.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyfred on November 16, 2014, 11:03:28 AM
sad to say but i think if SB is going to fulfil his obvious potential as an Premiership and England star it ain't going to be with the" baggies", with the style of play and service levels that currently come from our midfield , Aguerro and Costa would struggle to get 20 goals a season, so to be honest with you if somebody does come in with the sort of money thats being talked up here we might as well take it because this is the only chance we will have of getting 20m+ for him,  because as his performances start to diminish next season which they will if the same coaching regime is in place his value will drop dramatically,at least if we do it now it means we can buy two more Ideye's to replace him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wardy65 on November 16, 2014, 06:30:45 PM
Really interesting article here about saido http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/berahino-how-it-all-started-2084894.aspx

Great read, really enlightening!
Hmm .. wonder who they're referring to when they say they recently bumped into an ex academy graduate, that joined one of the 'big clubs' & asked him if he regretted leaving the Baggies. He replied 'No, I've got my car outside.' Our coaches were left feeling ' we know who we'd rather have at the club out of you & Saido. My money's gotta be on a certain Izzy Brown.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on November 16, 2014, 08:05:51 PM
More likely to be Jerome Sinclair
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on November 16, 2014, 10:59:41 PM

Frustrating when you think Tadic and Pelle cost Southampton a combined £20m.  Plus they were both fit enough to start the season. Our scouting and recruitment has been poor for some time.
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Ronald Koeman had first hand knowledge of both. Tadic easily the best midfielder in the Dutch league last couple of years. Pelle played for him at Feyenoord, although I don't think Pelle is that special.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 16, 2014, 11:15:29 PM
Frustrating when you think Tadic and Pelle cost Southampton a combined £20m.  Plus they were both fit enough to start the season. Our scouting and recruitment has been poor for some time.

Ronald Koeman had first hand knowledge of both. Tadic easily the best midfielder in the Dutch league last couple of years. Pelle played for him at Feyenoord, although I don't think Pelle is that special.

Plus Southampton play an attacking style. Brown may score goals in their team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbastrollers on November 17, 2014, 08:11:55 AM
Great read, really enlightening!
Hmm .. wonder who they're referring to when they say they recently bumped into an ex academy graduate, that joined one of the 'big clubs' & asked him if he regretted leaving the Baggies. He replied 'No, I've got my car outside.' Our coaches were left feeling ' we know who we'd rather have at the club out of you & Saido. My money's gotta be on a certain Izzy Brown.

Watched him play for England u19 against Italy and I have to say he was outstanding!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2014, 06:41:23 PM
Starting tomorrow i am hearing?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on November 17, 2014, 06:43:45 PM
Starting tomorrow i am hearing?

Am i the only one who is scared that he will get injured against the jocks. Its their world cup final and their going to be in england's faces. I can see Saido getting kicked in the air!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2014, 06:45:56 PM
More likely to be Jerome Sinclair

His career really seems to have stalled. Hasn't been called up by England at youth level since 2012 despite being a regular and playing above his age group when he was younger. Still young, but certainly doesn't seem like he's regarded as one of this countries hot prospects anymore.

Interesting to see how Dhanda and Brown eventually go on to do too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2014, 06:47:00 PM
Am i the only one who is scared that he will get injured against the jocks. Its their world cup final and their going to be in england's faces. I can see Saido getting kicked in the air!



we always have Anichebie  :D you are right though its written in the script for him to get crocked
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: petethebaggie on November 18, 2014, 11:11:42 AM
Is he starting, I heard that he is on the 'franksie show' last night but how does anyone know if the team hasn't been announced?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on November 18, 2014, 11:18:48 AM
Am i the only one who is scared that he will get injured against the jocks. Its their world cup final and their going to be in england's faces. I can see Saido getting kicked in the air!

He should be okay so long as he steers clear of Mozza.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on November 18, 2014, 10:28:20 PM
He should be okay so long as he steers clear of Mozza.
expected him to at least get a runout, but puts lambert on who doesn't get in his club side.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on November 18, 2014, 10:30:01 PM
expected him to at least get a runout, but puts lambert on who doesn't get in his club side.

Very disappointing not to see him get some game time..............especially with donkey Lambert coming on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on November 18, 2014, 10:35:43 PM
Very disappointing not to see him get some game time..............especially with donkey Lambert coming on.
if lambert didn't play for Liverpool he wouldn't be anywhere near this England team and neither would smalling. just look at cleverly now hes not playing for man u. sorry roy but your picking players because who they play for and not on merit
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 18, 2014, 10:38:03 PM
He will be very disappointed not to have made his England tonight but it could be a good thing, should certainly keep his feet on the ground showing him he still has a way to go before he's made it to the big time. May also give him some motivation to prove Roy wrong with his performances on the pitch for us in the coming months.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashcroft19 on November 18, 2014, 10:43:08 PM
Quick, invent an Irish Grandmother, it's not to late to represent the Republic of Island :
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 18, 2014, 10:54:32 PM
I'm sure Jezzas' pleased his ex-employee didn't risk our top asset on a pointless friendly. ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 18, 2014, 11:11:02 PM
Cue a spitting of the dummy and a change of international allegiance to Burundi.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeb-Dog on November 18, 2014, 11:49:06 PM
Interesting to see how the next few months go for Saido now. Was pretty anonymous in the Newcastle game. Must keep that early form going and not slip like last season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on November 19, 2014, 05:07:40 AM
Might as well have played in the England under 21 game. What must he have thought when Lambert was sent on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2014, 08:08:48 AM
Sturridge crocked again. Will this up the ante
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 19, 2014, 08:58:50 AM
I understand the experience he would have got training with the first team for a week, but surely its pointless calling him up if hes not going to get any game time.

Stinks of Hodgson falling to media pressure to call him up. Surely would have made more sense to bring Saido on when Lambert came on?

Still dont understand how Lambert is getting anywhere near the England team as he isnt even getting game time at Liverpool.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on November 19, 2014, 09:13:08 AM
What on earth did Roy learn from bringing Lambert on for 5 mins? What a load of nonsense.
Let's face it, Lambert is never going to get a run in the Liverpool side so his England career is as good as over.
If Saido had come on for that 5 mins and not even touched the ball it would have had a million times more impact on his confidence, pride, hunger and ambition whereas now he must just feel incredibly deflated.
I know he'll get his chance and he's probably over the moon to have been in and around the squad, but it was still very poor man management from Hodgson.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 19, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
I was saying the same this morning to a guy at work, the chances are the call up and not being played has done more bad than good for Saidos confidence.

In an ideal world, hes enjoyed the small taster of international setup, and is now eager to prove to Hodgson hes worth some game time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on November 25, 2014, 07:49:11 AM
Caught speeding down the m6 at 110mph whilst under the influence of alcohol apparently, If true when will this Kid learn??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 25, 2014, 08:00:18 AM
Caught speeding down the m6 at 110mph whilst under the influence of alcohol apparently, If true when will this Kid learn??

For a God fearing person his behaviour is awful.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on November 25, 2014, 08:02:25 AM
Reports saying if found guilty could face a jail term  ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on November 25, 2014, 08:14:37 AM
I hope he does go to jail if this is true! Disgraceful behaviour who thinks he's above the law like many footballers do. He could of easily killed someone and himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 25, 2014, 08:30:36 AM
I hope he does go to jail if this is true! Disgraceful behaviour who thinks he's above the law like many footballers do. He could of easily killed someone and himself.

Someone needs to set a meeting with Saido and Lee Hughes. Topic could be 'regrets'.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 25, 2014, 08:36:11 AM
Shows the kid hasn't learnt much at all, earning mega bucks, if you're drunk get a taxi.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 25, 2014, 08:52:40 AM
Irvine will bail him out, its only fair it's reciprocal. :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 25, 2014, 08:55:19 AM
Apparently he's on bail until early December.

Probably looking at a hefty driving ban along with a fine.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 25, 2014, 09:00:34 AM
What a bellrod!!!

Seriously what is going through this kids mind when he does stuff like that!!

I hope he gets a huge ban and a huge fine. If its jail time then so be it


Stoo-stoo-stoo-stoopid!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on November 25, 2014, 09:02:54 AM
So much fuss has been made of this kid etc etc etc . Anyone stupid enough to buy him would be great . I'll personally drive him to his next club .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 25, 2014, 09:05:34 AM
So much fuss has been made of this kid etc etc etc . Anyone stupid enough to buy him would be great . I'll personally drive him to his next club .

You'll have to, he wont be able to drive himself  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on November 25, 2014, 09:19:33 AM
What an utter idiot this kid is.  He is going to ruin what could be a top career by lurching from one f*** up to the next until he ends up dropping down the leagues but that's not important to footballers like him.  He'll be playing in League 2 with a million pound in his bank account taken from us and other clubs who think can 'sort his head out'.


Sadly for us this plonker has scuppered us getting a big chunk of cash for him this January/end of season with what could be a potential prison sentence hanging over him.



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on November 25, 2014, 09:28:07 AM
Irvine virtually saying he was undroppable probably didn't help. Too big for his boots and too easily influenced.
What a waste.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 25, 2014, 09:33:09 AM
Take him out of the limelight against Arsenal. Time for Brown to have a go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on November 25, 2014, 09:36:46 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/saido-berahino-facing-drink-drive-charge-8169133 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/saido-berahino-facing-drink-drive-charge-8169133)


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on November 25, 2014, 09:40:26 AM
If I was earning thousands of pounds a week I would just pay someone to either drive my vehicle or hire a taxi/limo for occasions such as this. Driving at such a high speed as well as being intoxicated is utterly wreckless. Both offences are not acceptable, but to do both at the same time is pretty inexcusable. This lad really needs to wake up before he throws his talent away for good. He's not a lost cause but this needs to be the final wake up call. Enough.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 25, 2014, 09:42:53 AM
Take him out of the limelight against Arsenal. Time for Brown to have a go.

I think you are right, drop him

thing is the club would have known about this weeks ago and havent dropped him, might seem silly too now just because its in the public domain

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 25, 2014, 09:45:00 AM
I think you are right, drop him

thing is the club would have known about this weeks ago and havent dropped him, might seem silly too now just because its in the public domain

Maybe so, they'd have know after the United game.  Seems that this stuff just follows our club around. The kid is a bad egg, thought he had reigned it in after being smacked by Mozza, but the stupidity continues.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on November 25, 2014, 09:48:34 AM
He won't go to jail but he should get a two year driving ban and a massive fine. Silly silly boy. Maybe the FA got wind of this and that's why he didn't get a debut.

He's going to urine his career away if he isn't careful.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on November 25, 2014, 09:51:51 AM
This incident was around the time of the Man U game.  Since then he has scored 1 goal - a penalty.  I feel his performances have dropped off (could be we've gone even more defensive/long ball).  I am worried that he's lost his form, and there is no one else ready to step up and get the goals.

On top of that, its only fair to say that he must be a total idiot and that he hasn't really learned the lessons of last season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 25, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
Think he may be dropped for the Arsenal game, with Anichebe or Ideye starting.

I reckon he wasnt dropped when the club initially found out as they would have had to explain the reasoning behind it, however now the news has broke to the public, the club wouldnt need to defend the reason behind placing him on the bench.

Shame really as I thought he had really got his head down this season and was getting the rewards, seems I was wrong.

Stupid lad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 25, 2014, 10:26:52 AM
Please be careful with comments at this moment. It is SUSPICION and ALLEGEDLY. Until that changes we have to be careful what is posted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 25, 2014, 10:35:47 AM
I find it a little odd that he hasn't been charged with anything yet. I would have thought you would get charged with drink driving immediately if you provide a positive sample of breath, I'm no expert but don't see why there would be any need to delay it.

I'll leave my condemnation of him until he actually gets found guilty of an offence.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on November 25, 2014, 10:36:18 AM
If he did as is alleged then he deserves to have the book thrown at him, and not because he is a mega bucks footballer, but because anyone who commits this offence deserves it.

Driving under the influence is deadly. There is enough evidence to show that not only the perpetrators suffer but also many innocent victims.

We have had one case at this club before. We don't need another.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 25, 2014, 10:40:51 AM
He won't go to jail but he should get a two year driving ban and a massive fine.

Anyone found guilty of being over the limit and driving at 110mph should be sent to prison for at least a few weeks in my opinion. Then stick them in a room full of people who have lost loved ones due to similar actions of others, I doubt they would ever consider doing it again after that. There is no excuse to be putting lives at risk getting behind the wheel of a car going that speed while over the drink drive limit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on November 25, 2014, 10:43:42 AM
I find it a little odd that he hasn't been charged with anything yet. I would have thought you would get charged with drink driving immediately if you provide a positive sample of breath, I'm no expert but don't see why there would be any need to delay it.

I'll leave my condemnation of him until he actually gets found guilty of an offence.



Same here dropping your best player at this point in the enquiry is beyond stupid if you ask me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 25, 2014, 10:53:42 AM
Same here dropping your best player at this point in the enquiry is beyond stupid if you ask me.

Like someone else has said though, maybe we didn't drop him before as it wasn't in the press, questions would have been asked of AI. Now he can be dropped and taken out of the spotlight so it's more likely to happen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeb-Dog on November 25, 2014, 10:53:59 AM
Same here dropping your best player at this point in the enquiry is beyond stupid if you ask me.

Best Player? He's done very little since the United game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggy nerd on November 25, 2014, 10:59:54 AM
If this is found to be true... as a representative of WBA he tarnishes the whole club. Although it is not the fault of the club neutrals will look at this as a club issue.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on November 25, 2014, 11:00:57 AM
Best Player? He's done very little since the United game.

Who would you play instead.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 25, 2014, 11:13:22 AM
You do wonder what the hell he was up to north of Manchester, allegedly drunk at 4am on a Wednesday morning.

#GodIsGood
#ThisOneForYouMum
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 25, 2014, 11:21:45 AM
Who would you play instead.

The guy the club spent 10 million pound on to sit in the reserves.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on November 25, 2014, 11:53:41 AM
The guy the club spent 10 million pound on to sit in the reserves.

Same mate but would he ? The worry i have is he would go big vic up top on hes own.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on November 25, 2014, 12:12:16 PM
As an optimist at least he won't be driving to another club on transfer deadline day...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jsam on November 25, 2014, 12:23:39 PM
As BH says, it is odd that he hasn't been charged with anything. Unless he refused a breath test, he would have tested there and then and either been over the limit or not. So for now, I think it's wrong to prejudge or assume anything.

It's also wrong to prejudice any possible court case, so as Oldbury says, take care about your comments, guys.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on November 25, 2014, 12:27:24 PM
Just as ling as no one posts anything about pressure !!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 25, 2014, 12:32:05 PM
As BH says, it is odd that he hasn't been charged with anything. Unless he refused a breath test, he would have tested there and then and either been over the limit or not. So for now, I think it's wrong to prejudge or assume anything.

It's also wrong to prejudice any possible court case, so as Oldbury says, take care about your comments, guys.

Dress it up any way you like, the fact that he's been bailed to appear means he probably called the club and they sent out a £400/hr solicitor to bring his carcase back home.
A mere mortal would be in the cells until sober.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba_jd26 on November 25, 2014, 12:32:55 PM
He is stupid but I do find the situation strange, this happened over a month ago so why has he not yet been charged and it only just come out in the press.

Also the day after he was arrested, 23rd October he tweeted 'In a good place #feelingblessed #GodIsGood'
Personally I don't think i'd be in a good place the day after being arrested for drink driving.

If he's guilty I don't want him associated with our football club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 25, 2014, 12:34:56 PM
If he turns out to have done this, what a grade A prat. Considering the war torn, disadvantaged background he's come from, you would have thought he'd be much more grateful and respectful of the opportunity he's been given.

But yeah, this does seem odd. Every single traffic cop show I've seen that deals with drink driving, they're charged as soon as they've sobered up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on November 25, 2014, 01:03:13 PM
He is stupid but I do find the situation strange, this happened over a month ago so why has he not yet been charged and it only just come out in the press.

Also the day after he was arrested, 23rd October he tweeted 'In a good place #feelingblessed #GodIsGood'
Personally I don't think i'd be in a good place the day after being arrested for drink driving.

If he's guilty I don't want him associated with our football club.
Wouldn't go that far, where else will the goals come from?! I know what he did hasn't been clever but then the number of footballers that go out and do stupid things like this is larger than we'd like to think. If we were to banish players for committing this sort of act we'd be watching powerleague every week.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on November 25, 2014, 01:12:00 PM
Allegedly 110 miles an hour while drunk . What if somebody had been killed . He's got the money to pay a driver . So if guilty I hope he gets the book thrown at him .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on November 25, 2014, 01:12:38 PM
Same mate but would he ? The worry i have is he would go big vic up top on hes own.

Nailed on or even worse could be Samaras!  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on November 25, 2014, 01:21:19 PM
He is stupid but I do find the situation strange, this happened over a month ago so why has he not yet been charged and it only just come out in the press.

Also the day after he was arrested, 23rd October he tweeted 'In a good place #feelingblessed #GodIsGood'
Personally I don't think i'd be in a good place the day after being arrested for drink driving.

If he's guilty I don't want him associated with our football club.

on the first point it's possible that agents/management have probably had some form of injunction out on it stopping it from hitting the press. he hasn't been charged yet because his court date is next month which is where he probably will be charged.

as for the tweet the following day who knows what goes through footballers heads these days
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 25, 2014, 01:23:43 PM
I'm an advocate of no drink being allowed while driving, there should be a 0% limit with a small allowance for having a wine gum or something  ::)

That being said, If he was "drunk" but a tiny smidge over the limit that is one thing, bad, but not horrific. But if actually drunk that's just dreadful.

Either way, call a taxi or a driver, you earn a load!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 25, 2014, 01:38:29 PM
As an optimist at least he won't be driving to another club on transfer deadline day...

good point, well made  ;D

i was worried that backside or Liverpool might come in for him in Jan as well. This news should scupper that...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggy nerd on November 25, 2014, 02:34:02 PM
Wouldn't go that far, where else will the goals come from?! I know what he did hasn't been clever but then the number of footballers that go out and do stupid things like this is larger than we'd like to think. If we were to banish players for committing this sort of act we'd be watching powerleague every week.

Where else the goals will come from is irrelevant. Any player doing what has been alleged must be punished.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on November 25, 2014, 03:00:00 PM
Don't know all the facts but could be that elected for a blood test, which takes time for blood results to come back. He would have been bailed to return after the blood results are received  and then he would be charged with an offence. Then he gets bailed to appear at court depending on the reading.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 25, 2014, 03:10:43 PM
Don't know all the facts but could be that elected for a blood test, which takes time for blood results to come back. He would have been bailed to return after the blood results are received  and then he would be charged with an offence. Then he gets bailed to appear at court depending on the reading.

Fair point. Blood tests are usually only offered when they're only just over the limit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 25, 2014, 03:15:12 PM
How many on here have driven after drinking, I suspect I have, I also suspect more than 50% will have, probably closer to 80%. :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 25, 2014, 03:25:36 PM
How many on here have driven after drinking, I suspect I have, I also suspect more than 50% will have, probably closer to 80%. :-\

If you counter in the fact that alcohol is still in the system for 24 hours, someone who has been out on the lash until 3-4am and then got up at 9-10am and driven somewhere is still 'under the influence'.

But then im guessing IF Saido is found guilty, its because hes been drinking and then driven home.

Two totally different ends of the spectrum.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 25, 2014, 03:33:49 PM
If you counter in the fact that alcohol is still in the system for 24 hours, someone who has been out on the lash until 3-4am and then got up at 9-10am and driven somewhere is still 'under the influence'.

But then im guessing IF Saido is found guilty, its because hes been drinking and then driven home.

Two totally different ends of the spectrum.

Well not really, if know you are driving the next day, lets not all get too 'Holier than Thou' on here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on November 25, 2014, 03:36:15 PM
So much for being grateful and respectful. If he has to go to jail then so be it the kid clearly hasn't learned a lesson. Its a shame what money can do (if you let it)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on November 25, 2014, 03:40:08 PM
If you counter in the fact that alcohol is still in the system for 24 hours, someone who has been out on the lash until 3-4am and then got up at 9-10am and driven somewhere is still 'under the influence'.

But then im guessing IF Saido is found guilty, its because hes been drinking and then driven home.

Two totally different ends of the spectrum.

If you know you are going to be driving the next day you should either plan out for someone else to drive you or you dont drink knowing you are driving the following day. Its not rocket science.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on November 25, 2014, 03:58:53 PM
Allegedly 110 miles an hour while drunk . What if somebody had been killed . He's got the money to pay a driver . So if guilty I hope he gets the book thrown at him .

There can be no argument about that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on November 25, 2014, 04:04:26 PM
He's an idiot for driving at 110mph, but at his age I would have probably done the same, although my Metro shook at 70!
If he had been drinking then that goes beyond youthful exuberance and becomes totally irresponsible and unacceptable.
I hope it turns out to be incorrect and that is the reason for the apparent delay, but if he is found guilty then he should face jail and we should get rid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on November 25, 2014, 04:09:06 PM
If he's guilty then he's no better than Lee Hughes; only luckier that he didn't crash, there really isn't much difference other than luck (if true).

Out of interest, if he is guilty, would it mean definite jail time, and if so when would he be jailed I.e. this season?

As big a talent that he is, I think we should sell at the end of the season regardless.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mrmojorisin on November 25, 2014, 04:25:12 PM
First of all, all the reports talk of "suspicion" of drink driving and "allegedly" travelling at 100mph.  At this stage, he is innocent until proven guilty.  Reports also say he is to appear at a police custody suite where, I presume, they will decide whether to charge him.  Clearly he has not yet appeared in court.

If he has been speeding at between 101 and 110 mph on a motorway then the court can fine (based on earnings) and disqualify  for between 7 and 56 days or put 6 points on the licence.  If the speed was above 110 mph it is in the magistrates' discretion to increase those penalties.

If he was driving over the drink/drive limit then the punishment at the lowest end of the scale will be a hefty fine and a ban of between 12 and 16 months.  At the highest end of the scale the punishment will range from a high level community order to 26 weeks in prison plus a driving ban of between 29 and 36 months.

But, to repeat, at this stage nothing has been proven.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 25, 2014, 04:27:03 PM
First of all, all the reports talk of "suspicion" of drink driving and "allegedly" travelling at 100mph.  At this stage, he is innocent until proven guilty.  Reports also say he is to appear at a police custody suite where, I presume, they will decide whether to charge him.  Clearly he has not yet appeared in court.

If he has been speeding at between 101 and 110 mph on a motorway then the court can fine (based on earnings) and disqualify  for between 7 and 56 days or put 6 points on the licence.  If the speed was above 110 mph it is in the magistrates' discretion to increase those penalties.

If he was driving over the drink/drive limit then the punishment at the lowest end of the scale will be a hefty fine and a ban of between 12 and 16 months.  At the highest end of the scale the punishment will range from a high level community order to 26 weeks in prison plus a driving ban of between 29 and 36 months.

But, to repeat, at this stage nothing has been proven.

Nothing has been proven I agree, but the story hasn't come from nowhere.

As the old saying goes - no smoke without fire.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on November 25, 2014, 04:44:08 PM


At worse he will he get a ban and a fine.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 25, 2014, 04:46:04 PM
Yeah he won't go to jail simply for drink driving and speeding. If he killed someone then definitely.

A driving ban and a fine will be all that he gets (if guilty).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on November 25, 2014, 05:02:50 PM
I thought he had improved his attitude this season after a meeting with Irvine had put him on the straight and narrow.... Don't want to start a big discussion but wasn't Saido's form and new attitude about the only thing Irvine had earned credit for this season? I can understand him drinking I have to have several beers just to stomach 90 minutes of Irvine on a Saturday but I've the sense not to get behind a wheel.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 25, 2014, 05:28:23 PM
Nothing has been proven I agree, but the story hasn't come from nowhere.

As the old saying goes - no smoke without fire.

how do our transfer rumors work then? none seem to ever be right, or even in the same ball park as what is reported. It won't be the first time the Sun will have made up a story, either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 25, 2014, 05:42:01 PM
how do our transfer rumors work then? none seem to ever be right, or even in the same ball park as what is reported. It won't be the first time the Sun will have made up a story, either.

There is a photo of Berahino pulled over at the roadside in his Evoque. I'd say that means something. I can see where you are coming from though trying to defend our player and airing on the side of caution.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 25, 2014, 06:09:26 PM
If guilty I would expect a driving ban and fine but Polish lorry driver just got 8 weeks , fine and ban . He was three times over the limit and driving the wrong way down the M6 in a HGV., though.
If guilty he is an idiot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 25, 2014, 06:19:13 PM
There is a photo of Berahino pulled over at the roadside in his Evoque. I'd say that means something. I can see where you are coming from though trying to defend our player and airing on the side of caution.

That the picture in the Sun? Sure when I read it earlier the caption said something along the lines of Berahino wearing a hoodie in Birmingham so it wasn't from when he was pulled over.

Saying there is no smoke without fire is a little silly, its confirmed he was arrested and what for but he is a Premier League player just broken into the England squad so it wasn't going to stay quiet for long.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 25, 2014, 06:21:22 PM
Fair point. Blood tests are usually only offered when they're only just over the limit.

Unless he refused to take a breath test at the road side. Just to make it clear I'm certainly not saying that is what he has done.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 25, 2014, 06:23:16 PM
How many on here have driven after drinking, I suspect I have, I also suspect more than 50% will have, probably closer to 80%. :-\

I would imagine that many on here have driven after drinking but I guess the difference is those on here probably didn't go speeding down a motorway at 110mph whilst allegedly drunk.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 25, 2014, 06:26:19 PM
I would imagine that many on here have driven after drinking but I guess the difference is those on here probably didn't go speeding down a motorway at 110mph whilst allegedly drunk.
Or earn enough to have ten taxi's take him home if he wanted. Brainless.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 25, 2014, 06:33:22 PM
I would imagine that many on here have driven after drinking but I guess the difference is those on here probably didn't go speeding down a motorway at 110mph whilst allegedly drunk.

Allegedly speeding at 110mph whilst allegedly drunk.  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 25, 2014, 06:34:33 PM
That the picture in the Sun? Sure when I read it earlier the caption said something along the lines of Berahino wearing a hoodie in Birmingham so it wasn't from when he was pulled over.

Saying there is no smoke without fire is a little silly, its confirmed he was arrested and what for but he is a Premier League player just broken into the England squad so it wasn't going to stay quiet for long.

Ah right ok, didn't clock that about the picture being in Birmingham. Apologies.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 25, 2014, 06:40:07 PM
Allegedly speeding at 110mph whilst allegedly drunk.  ;D

Yeah, I should have put that.  :D

It seems strange that he was pulled up and yet there was no mention of him being breathlysed. Wouldn't they have mentioned that on the Police statement which was issued?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 25, 2014, 06:47:48 PM
Yeah, I should have put that.  :D

It seems strange that he was pulled up and yet there was no mention of him being breathlysed. Wouldn't they have mentioned that on the Police statement which was issued?

As he is reporting back to the Police beginning of Dec, I suspect this is far from clear cut.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on November 25, 2014, 07:54:12 PM
I would imagine that many on here have driven after drinking but I guess the difference is those on here probably didn't go speeding down a motorway at 110mph whilst allegedly drunk.

Exactly if he had brains he would be dangerous. I can't comprehend why someone who earns thousands of pounds a week can't book into a hotel if they have had a few drinks or hire a taxi. Perhaps like other he feels that he is above the law and can do what he wants. If he was over that limit and drove at over 100 miles an hour then he is completely brainless and if found guilty the club should fine him heavily. Changed his ways well we will see!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on November 25, 2014, 09:07:40 PM
With the lawyers he can afford I would imagine it's hardly unforeseeable that he could get away with it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 25, 2014, 09:34:53 PM
I probably did something like it when I was his age. I just didn't get caught.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cuckfield1704 on November 25, 2014, 09:57:25 PM
Yeah, I should have put that.  :D

It seems strange that he was pulled up and yet there was no mention of him being breathlysed. Wouldn't they have mentioned that on the Police statement which was issued?
He will have been breathalysed, its standard practice after being pulled over in these circumstances. The breathalyser has indicated that he is over the limit hence the 'suspected drink driving' statement and then SB seems to have opted for a second test which involves a laboratory and hence the delay in charging him.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Stroller on November 25, 2014, 10:13:50 PM
According to the Guardian, the club didn't find out about this until Monday!
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/25/west-brom-saido-berahino-driving-arrest (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/25/west-brom-saido-berahino-driving-arrest)

Sounds like BS to me (Albion media dept playing things with a dead bat) but if it's true the club is far less efficient than they're letting on. Can't believe they'd let a multi-million pound asset, to whom they pay a fortune each week and are allegedly seeking to give a contract worth even more, go out on a bender without keeping tabs on him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 25, 2014, 11:24:54 PM
I probably did something like it when I was his age. I just didn't get caught.

Doesn't really excuse it though, does it? Especially considering he can easily afford to get someone to drive him to wherever he needed to be, or just stay in a hotel for the night.

For someone who has come from such a disadvantaged background, he seems to have such a poor attitude. You would have thought he'd appreciate the position he's in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 25, 2014, 11:50:08 PM
Doesn't really excuse it though, does it? Especially considering he can easily afford to get someone to drive him to wherever he needed to be, or just stay in a hotel for the night.

For someone who has come from such a disadvantaged background, he seems to have such a poor attitude. You would have thought he'd appreciate the position he's in.

No, it doesn't excuse it. I merely don't feel right in criticising him myself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on November 26, 2014, 01:15:20 AM
For someone who has come from such a disadvantaged background, he seems to have such a poor attitude. You would have thought he'd appreciate the position he's in.

It doesn't necessarily work like that.  I'm not for a minute excusing what he's allegedly done - if true, there but for fortune goes another Lee Hughes - but it's not as simple as "he's got loads of money, so therefore he should be happy".  There are some things money alone won't cure.

He posted something on Twitter earlier about a person's worst enemy being their own mind; I wouldn't pretend to know Saido's mind at all, but I'd hazard a guess that when you flee your homeland at the age of ten to escape a conflict which has killed your father, you're going to be carrying more baggage than just what's in your suitcase.  Maybe that's not it, maybe I'm totally wrong, but this scandal and the ones earlier in the year have a whiff of deeper troubles to me.  Sometimes these things get planted in childhood and don't crop up until later in life; all the positive attitude in the world can't prevent it.

Of course, you don't solve these problems by playing Lewis Hamilton up the motorway in the middle of the night, and it's lucky no one was hurt or killed by what allegedly happened.  If I'm wrong and this incident really is about pure empty-headed idiocy then fair enough, throw the book at him.  But if there are demons at work, then Saido, you need to get help before you do something you can't take back.  I trust that those around him know which it is, and will act accordingly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 26, 2014, 08:10:36 AM
I probably did something like it when I was his age. I just didn't get caught.
So it makes it OK if others have done it too or is it just as bad on their account? If he, or anyone else, has done this, there is no mitigation for it whatsoever.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 26, 2014, 10:00:34 AM
According to the Guardian, the club didn't find out about this until Monday!
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/25/west-brom-saido-berahino-driving-arrest (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/25/west-brom-saido-berahino-driving-arrest)

Sounds like BS to me (Albion media dept playing things with a dead bat) but if it's true the club is far less efficient than they're letting on. Can't believe they'd let a multi-million pound asset, to whom they pay a fortune each week and are allegedly seeking to give a contract worth even more, go out on a bender without keeping tabs on him.

What do you want the club to do put a tag on him? Only so much the club can do, once he's out of work hours he can do what he wants. No one but him and whoever he was with that night knows what he was doing going up North that day so we can't come out and say he was on a bender. If he sorted his own solicitor out its entirely possible the club wouldn't know about it until the papers got in touch asking for a comment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 26, 2014, 10:24:49 AM
Has no-one considered he may have been stitched up. Done forget the police were tipped off. It doesn't take much of a spike to send you over the limit. None of us know anything about this incident, so I for one will wait till the truth comes out before deciding he has to be crucified or not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 26, 2014, 12:36:15 PM
So it makes it OK if others have done it too or is it just as bad on their account? If he, or anyone else, has done this, there is no mitigation for it whatsoever.

It's always irritating when someone either doesn't read or ignores previous responses to the same question.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 26, 2014, 12:40:28 PM
Has no-one considered he may have been stitched up. Done forget the police were tipped off. It doesn't take much of a spike to send you over the limit. None of us know anything about this incident, so I for one will wait till the truth comes out before deciding he has to be crucified or not.

Yeah Ive heard a lot about those coctails that send you over the DD limit, make you drive at 40mph over the speed limit and keep you out until 3-00am when you should be tucked up in bed because you've got training next morning  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 26, 2014, 01:27:07 PM
Yeah Ive heard a lot about those coctails that send you over the DD limit, make you drive at 40mph over the speed limit and keep you out until 3-00am when you should be tucked up in bed because you've got training next morning  ::)
The spike was just a wild theory. It's the tip off that sent an alarm off for me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stoxman on November 26, 2014, 01:45:00 PM
There were 55,000 people convicted of drink driving in the UK last year. EVERY one of those had a choice to use a taxi, get a hotel or stay at home. Whether you earn £14k per week or £14k per year you can still afford a taxi if your licence or the risk of an accident means enough to you. The suggestion that SB is especially stupid just because he is rich and famous doesn't work for me. All people make mistakes; some we get caught making and some we get away with. The difference between SB getting home without meeting the police, being arrested for drink driving or facing a charge or death by drink driving is luck, pure and simple. I have personally driven well over 100 mph and have driven over the limit (but not at the same time).  It doesn't make it right. I have more than enough money to have taken taxis when I shouldn't have driven. People make bad choices that are ridiculous in hindsight but it appears that the rich and famous are tarred as being extra stupid.  Perhaps we should run a poll that asks whether posters have ever driven whilst over the limit or over 100mph. Only those who can truthfully answer "no" to both questions can throw stones. The rest of us should just feel lucky we weren't caught...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on November 26, 2014, 01:49:26 PM
The spike was just a wild theory. It's the tip off that sent an alarm off for me.
I would assume the tip off was from someone he drove past.
At least we don't have to worry about our midfielders following suit, it's been a long time since any of them went past anyone at speed!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 26, 2014, 03:14:56 PM
It's always irritating when someone either doesn't read or ignores previous responses to the same question.
Probably as irritating as "I probably did that when I was younger but didn't get caught" posts!  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 27, 2014, 01:59:27 PM
I noticed Irvine when he spoke of Craig Gardner recently said he's got a great attitude to training and looking after himself diet-wise and is a non-drinker. He also said that a lot of Premier league players are non-drinkers these days so why put yourself at a disadvantage through drinking.

I wonder how many of our squad are non-drinkers.....we know Saido and Sess are not from drink driving episodes. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 27, 2014, 03:17:03 PM
I noticed Irvine when he spoke of Craig Gardner recently said he's got a great attitude to training and looking after himself diet-wise and is a non-drinker. He also said that a lot of Premier league players are non-drinkers these days so why put yourself at a disadvantage through drinking.

I wonder how many of our squad are non-drinkers.....we know Saido and Sess are not from drink driving episodes.

Foster comes across as a family man so im guessing hes not a big drinker.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 27, 2014, 09:44:14 PM
It doesn't necessarily work like that.  I'm not for a minute excusing what he's allegedly done - if true, there but for fortune goes another Lee Hughes - but it's not as simple as "he's got loads of money, so therefore he should be happy".  There are some things money alone won't cure.

He posted something on Twitter earlier about a person's worst enemy being their own mind; I wouldn't pretend to know Saido's mind at all, but I'd hazard a guess that when you flee your homeland at the age of ten to escape a conflict which has killed your father, you're going to be carrying more baggage than just what's in your suitcase.  Maybe that's not it, maybe I'm totally wrong, but this scandal and the ones earlier in the year have a whiff of deeper troubles to me.  Sometimes these things get planted in childhood and don't crop up until later in life; all the positive attitude in the world can't prevent it.

Of course, you don't solve these problems by playing Lewis Hamilton up the motorway in the middle of the night, and it's lucky no one was hurt or killed by what allegedly happened.  If I'm wrong and this incident really is about pure empty-headed idiocy then fair enough, throw the book at him.  But if there are demons at work, then Saido, you need to get help before you do something you can't take back.  I trust that those around him know which it is, and will act accordingly.

A TOP post...imo
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 27, 2014, 10:10:51 PM
No, it doesn't excuse it. I merely don't feel right in criticising him myself.

I am hearing a lot of broken glass from glass houses in this thread, just think back to what you did in your youth, I had a Dad to keep me straight as well.

I was lucky on a couple of occasions, and I'm not really a drinker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on November 28, 2014, 09:08:28 AM
I'm 40 odd and never done it, despite being more than partial to a drink, I have even upset friends by refusing a lift if they have had a beer.
That being said I have done many other foolish things in that time, especially when I was his age. What is frustrating though is how much emphasis he has put on him knuckling down and concentrating on his football etc.
On a side note Irvine has been quoted in the paper today that no-one at the club knew until this Monday, that he's not getting involved as it is not a football matter and the best way for him to answer his critics is to score goals.
This seems contradictory to me, as, if it is not a football matter, how can scoring goals have any impact.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 28, 2014, 07:52:46 PM
I'm 40 odd and never done it, despite being more than partial to a drink, I have even upset friends by refusing a lift if they have had a beer.
That being said I have done many other foolish things in that time, especially when I was his age. What is frustrating though is how much emphasis he has put on him knuckling down and concentrating on his football etc.
On a side note Irvine has been quoted in the paper today that no-one at the club knew until this Monday, that he's not getting involved as it is not a football matter and the best way for him to answer his critics is to score goals.
This seems contradictory to me, as, if it is not a football matter, how can scoring goals have any impact.

Whilst not trying to be a clever dick here, is it possible you could have had an alcohol content in your blood the following day driving to work etc?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 28, 2014, 08:16:02 PM
Look, I've not weighed in on this really but there is no need for either the holier than thou's or the lets defend our player at all costs brigade to fall out. Berahino is indeed lucky he's not another Luke McCormack, I imagine a few of us are. If this was dingle we'd want the book throwing at him, as it stands he will get due process which will be a ban and a fine, with possibly some awareness or community service. No chance of prison, so let's get behind him as a West Brom player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: valleybaggie on November 28, 2014, 09:50:54 PM
the only downside to irvine following most peoples opinion on here and dropping saido is he'll probably put another defensive player in the starting eleven and every team that visits our ground will be camped in our half and their goalie can pop out for a beer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 28, 2014, 11:52:08 PM
the only downside to irvine following most peoples opinion on here and dropping saido is he'll probably put another defensive player in the starting eleven and every team that visits our ground will be camped in our half and their goalie can pop out for a beer
...but not then attempt to drive himself home, because we all know what could happen.  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 13, 2014, 04:21:04 AM
Was told by someone after the match today that contract talks had broken down but not sure where that came from, anyone else heard anything?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 13, 2014, 04:25:43 AM
Was told by someone after the match today that contract talks had broken down but not sure where that came from, anyone else heard anything?
Probably wants 70k or more a week now he is in the England squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on December 13, 2014, 04:31:19 AM
Was told by someone after the match today that contract talks had broken down but not sure where that came from, anyone else heard anything?

Haven't they been put on hold until this alleged drink driving issue is resolved?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 13, 2014, 04:41:45 AM
No idea just had a text off a mate saying someone has said contract talks on hold, would make sense if it was I suppose.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stubba on December 13, 2014, 07:12:29 AM
Haven't they been put on hold until this alleged drink driving issue is resolved?
. Correct
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 13, 2014, 08:00:36 PM
Anyone think we should cash in for £20-£25m and put our faith into promoting Nabi?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on December 13, 2014, 08:06:59 PM
Anyone think we should cash in for £20-£25m and put our faith into promoting Nabi?

We don't really know anything about Nabi other than he scores in the under 21 league.

It really would be blind faith, and in football you need to be more pragmatic. Saido's goals have got us where we are, so doing what you've said would be very naive.

Send Nabi on loan to the championship
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 13, 2014, 09:05:52 PM
We don't really know anything about Nabi other than he scores in the under 21 league.

It really would be blind faith, and in football you need to be more pragmatic. Saido's goals have got us where we are, so doing what you've said would be very naive.

Send Nabi on loan to the championship

You're forgetting we should have the Berahino money to reinvest, to hopefully get a goalscorer in and take the burden off Nabi.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on December 13, 2014, 09:18:35 PM
Isn't it the case that SB is on the bench and Brown given his chance due to a big money sale in Jan. No one wants to pay 20 mill plus for an injured player and baggies preparing for life without him.

I personally would sell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on December 13, 2014, 09:27:35 PM
Who's going to buy him until the alleged drink drive issue's been sorted? If he's cleared, I think we should keep him. AI is quite rightly giving Brown Ideye game time just in case SB is found guilty.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on December 13, 2014, 10:57:14 PM
berahino should be starting especially if Valera is now starting,berahino is always a threat but has suffered recently through negative tactics and lack of service,he was the only one who could a did break villa down,brown looks presently like a waste of 10 mil
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on December 13, 2014, 11:11:25 PM
If Berahino goes, we are more or less doomed. I cannot see Ideye and  Anichebe providing the goals or movement on and off the ball up front.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 14, 2014, 12:22:09 AM
The lad is starting to become a nuisance.

Ive noticed the last 2 games that at HT, whilst all the other subs do the mini-drill with the coach, he taps a ball left to right and back again.

The way he walks around acting like Mr. Big Time is the exact reason that, for the 2nd season in a row, he bas been dropped and finds people on his back.

I think overall he is overrated but accept he is a talent. I just dont see this "wonderkid" that everybody else seems to see.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2014, 12:24:45 AM
The lad is starting to become a nuisance.

Ive noticed the last 2 games that at HT, whilst all the other subs do the mini-drill with the coach, he taps a ball left to right and back again.


The way he walks around acting like Mr. Big Time is the exact reason that, for the 2nd season in a row, he bas been dropped and finds people on his back.

I think overall he is overrated but accept he is a talent. I just dont see this "wonderkid" that everybody else seems to see.

Just like Samaras every game he is sub.

I don't think he is over-rated at all to be honest but for me looks a much better player out wide, more involved in the game than when he is isolated up top on his own.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on December 14, 2014, 12:40:02 AM
The lad is starting to become a nuisance.

Ive noticed the last 2 games that at HT, whilst all the other subs do the mini-drill with the coach, he taps a ball left to right and back again.

The way he walks around acting like Mr. Big Time is the exact reason that, for the 2nd season in a row, he bas been dropped and finds people on his back.

I think overall he is overrated but accept he is a talent. I just dont see this "wonderkid" that everybody else seems to see.

If you don't see what he brings, there are plenty of other large clubs who do. And the fact he is in the full England squad must say something. Unless, we somehow find a proven goalscorer as replacement, I can't see either Ideye or Anichebe being an adequate replacement. We just won't create or score enough and will probably be relegated.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on December 14, 2014, 12:50:06 AM
Time to cash in when Liverpool come knocking.( he will enjoy the subs bench up there )..then invest in a top central midfielder and bring Nabi and Roofe into the first team...happy days
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on December 14, 2014, 01:18:32 AM
Time to cash in when Liverpool come knocking.( he will enjoy the subs bench up there )..then invest in a top central midfielder and bring Nabi and Roofe into the first team...happy days

I don't ever see Roofe being good enough for us. Nabi on the other hand could be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on December 14, 2014, 01:24:19 AM
I don't ever see Roofe being good enough for us. Nabi on the other hand could be.
But will he be good enough to score the goals to keep us up this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 14, 2014, 03:02:25 AM
If you don't see what he brings, there are plenty of other large clubs who do. And the fact he is in the full England squad must say something. Unless, we somehow find a proven goalscorer as replacement, I can't see either Ideye or Anichebe being an adequate replacement. We just won't create or score enough and will probably be relegated.

I think Benteke & Bony would be ahead of Berahino on any of the big clubs wishlists.

I dont see Berahino scoring another 8 goals this season to take him to 15. A figure any "top-class" CF should be aiming for.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on December 14, 2014, 03:15:54 AM
Time to cash in when Liverpool come knocking.( he will enjoy the subs bench up there )..then invest in a top central midfielder and bring Nabi and Roofe into the first team...happy days

Really? Did you not notice the difference when he came on yesterday? Take his goals out and we would be in the bottom 3. Should be starting in my opinion,he is the only bloke weve got that can score goals
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 14, 2014, 03:26:37 AM
I was shocked he wasn't used as one of the wide players from the start yesterday, genuinely think he is a good option in that position but maybe there is a little more to it. I noticed him head straight down the tunnel as soon as the whistle went instead of celebrating with his teammates which was a little disappointing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on December 14, 2014, 03:41:06 AM
I was shocked he wasn't used as one of the wide players from the start yesterday, genuinely think he is a good option in that position but maybe there is a little more to it. I noticed him head straight down the tunnel as soon as the whistle went instead of celebrating with his teammates which was a little disappointing.

Saido is our most talented player, but he has looked sullen lately, which is understandable after his drunk driving nonsense. Saido really needs to grow up now and take himself in hand.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 14, 2014, 03:55:57 AM
Heard we have suspended contract extension talks....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 14, 2014, 03:56:31 AM
Saido is potentially our best forward but he continues to show signs he believes in the hype that surrounds him at the moment and, for me, is not a team player and only interested in himself. Some of his decision making remains poor,  failing to play the simple ball because he wants to do too much, and the work ethic when having lost the ball isn't great. But he is young and will hopefully learn.
He has only scored 4 goals that were not penalties in 18 appearances (16 starts), better than our other strikers, but still not as good as some would make out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on December 14, 2014, 04:45:27 AM
Saido is potentially our best forward but he continues to show signs he believes in the hype that surrounds him at the moment and, for me, is not a team player and only interested in himself. Some of his decision making remains poor,  failing to play the simple ball because he wants to do too much, and the work ethic when having lost the ball isn't great. But he is young and will hopefully learn.
He has only scored 4 goals that were not penalties in 18 appearances (16 starts), better than our other strikers, but still not as good as some would make out.

Then again he hasn't really played with proper support as a striker, also he has often been used as a winger. In a 'properly' set up attacking team he would have much more help from other players in finding chances. Keep in mind that under Irvine our team has had an extremely low offensive threat, especially in open play. There is no striker in the world that does it all by himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stubba on December 14, 2014, 05:53:14 AM
Heard we have suspended contract extension talks....
.   Where have you been the last 10 days!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on December 14, 2014, 06:05:58 AM
We are showing him hes not bigger than the club.

Hes no doubt a talented player who I still believe should have played a part in those two internationals but hes not above being dropped if his form or attitude dips.

Irvines management of this has been a positive to be fair.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 14, 2014, 06:16:11 AM
Then again he hasn't really played with proper support as a striker, also he has often been used as a winger. In a 'properly' set up attacking team he would have much more help from other players in finding chances. Keep in mind that under Irvine our team has had an extremely low offensive threat, especially in open play. There is no striker in the world that does it all by himself.
He has scored more goals under Irvine than he did under the arguably more attacking Clarke and Mel  ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2014, 06:20:58 AM
He has scored more goals under Irvine than he did under the arguably more attacking Clarke and Mel  ???


He had 9 in 36 appearances (22 as sub) before this season and has 8 in 19 (4 as sub this season)

You play a bloke and let him take penalties he scores more goals well he will by the time he has played same number of games
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 14, 2014, 06:45:02 AM

He had 9 in 36 appearances (22 as sub) before this season and has 8 in 19 (4 as sub this season)

You play a bloke and let him take penalties he scores more goals well he will by the time he has played same number of games

5 in 32 appearances in the Premier League last season (20 as sub), 7 in 16 this season (2 as sub).

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.career-history.html/saido-berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2014, 06:50:28 AM
5 in 32 appearances in the Premier League last season (20 as sub), 7 in 16 this season (2 as sub).

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.career-history.html/saido-berahino

You didn't say Premier League  ;)

But same applies, more starts, take penalties = more goals
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on December 14, 2014, 07:54:35 PM
I think Benteke & Bony would be ahead of Berahino on any of the big clubs wishlists.

I dont see Berahino scoring another 8 goals this season to take him to 15. A figure any "top-class" CF should be aiming for.
I agree the big clubs will be more interested in bony and benteke,but the only reason berahino wont score 15 is because of lack of time on the pitch if he had played at hull we would have 3 points,without his goals we would be behind Leicester,given the options he simply must start
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 14, 2014, 07:54:50 PM
Came on and played for himself on Saturday, very poor form in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 14, 2014, 08:34:42 PM
I agree the big clubs will be more interested in bony and benteke,but the only reason berahino wont score 15 is because of lack of time on the pitch if he had played at hull we would have 3 points,without his goals we would be behind Leicester,given the options he simply must start

How do you make that assumption?

If you mean by taking the penalty, i would say we wouldnt of won the penalty as Anichebe was playing in his place.

The lad has only scored in 5 games this season, and hasnt scored in 7; you have to draw a line at some point and give others a fair crack of the whip.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on December 14, 2014, 08:45:39 PM
Think its fair to give him a rest and others a chance, I started to notice a little bit of cockiness creeping back into his game the last few weeks, like hes become arrogant again.

At the start of the season it was like he had a point to prove, now hes kind of proved it, its like he is starting to feel untouchable again, was the right call to rest him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on December 14, 2014, 08:48:02 PM
Think he will be back in for QPR, Ideye looked off the pace, should have had more game time off the bench.
Would like to see him alongside Varela and Sess, because, as has been said, he is our most natural goalscorer. Think Varela could well chip in with a few though given a run in the side. Certainly looks more likely than Brunt or Dorrans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on December 14, 2014, 08:54:05 PM
 ::) He is a young lad just starting out FGS give him some time & space, he WILL make mistakes thats how he will learn & the same thing goes for Bobby in my opinion there is the making of a good strike partnership there.
Rant over. :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on December 14, 2014, 09:04:59 PM
If the club have halted contract talks then something isn't right with him.

I can see us cashing in on him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on December 14, 2014, 09:23:03 PM
::) He is a young lad just starting out FGS give him some time & space, he WILL make mistakes thats how he will learn & the same thing goes for Bobby in my opinion there is the making of a good strike partnership there.
Rant over. :D
Sorry but he is not that young and he is not just starting out he is in his 2nd season, plus it is not his first indiscretion is it. He needs to man up and take control of his career otherwise he may live to regret it.
Think the club and the fans have shown more than enough support for him, time for him to knuckle down, wind his neck in and make the most of his talent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on December 14, 2014, 09:43:02 PM
From what I can gather, the speeding's a given, if the police can prove that he was also over the limit, a custodial sentence is possible.
Why on earth would you want to continue contact negotiations with an employee in those circumstances?
I suspect Saido's got the hump because the club have taken that stance, & AI's bringing Ideye in to make sure he's up to speed if the worse happens.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on December 14, 2014, 09:58:24 PM
From what I can gather, the speeding's a given, if the police can prove that he was also over the limit, a custodial sentence is possible.
Why on earth would you want to continue contact negotiations with an employee in those circumstances?
I suspect Saido's got the hump because the club have taken that stance, & AI's bringing Ideye in to make sure he's up to speed if the worse happens.

I mentioned this to a fellow baggie over the weekend, maybe the powers above have told AI he needs to give Ideye a chance, just incase the worst happens with Berahino.

The club are right to place contract talks on hold in relation to the driving incident, wouldnt make any financial sense for the club to offer him 25-30k a week if hes going down for 6 months (unlikely).

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 15, 2014, 12:13:39 AM
I mentioned this to a fellow baggie over the weekend, maybe the powers above have told AI he needs to give Ideye a chance, just incase the worst happens with Berahino.

The club are right to place contract talks on hold in relation to the driving incident, wouldnt make any financial sense for the club to offer him 25-30k a week if hes going down for 6 months (unlikely).

I would also guess that the club are treading carefully again. We all know how the world is at this moment in time in regards to publicly backing people who do wrong.

For example; we bided our time over Anelka and i believe we are doing the same here. I'm not suggesting we'll sack him, but we are making the correct & quite frankly the only decision that should be considered.

If he gets off, we'll probably up it.
If he doesn't get off, we'll say "book your ideas up before you have your wages go up".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on December 19, 2014, 05:29:25 PM
just read on another site that the house he moved into a couple of months ago has gone up for sale and hes living in a hotel.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyfred on December 21, 2014, 11:15:30 AM
stood outside QPR ground yesterday watching players get off the coach, berahino had his hoodie up , his earphones on and did not acknowledge the fans at all, if that dont mean he will go in january if he gets the chance i don't not what does
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 21, 2014, 11:20:19 AM
According to the Sun today, Tottenham have him as a prime target for January
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 21, 2014, 12:48:30 PM
According to the Sun today, Tottenham have him as a prime target for January

Let him go if they offer £20m or more.

The lad doesnt score half as many goals as people make out. An i right in thinking he only has 1 away goal in his Albion career?

He splits the fans & probably the club; i would cash in and aim to replace. He isnt a patch on the Bentekes, Bony's, Lukaku's of this world. All who would be valued at a similar range. That says to me he is vastly overrated.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on December 21, 2014, 12:49:19 PM
According to the Sun today, Tottenham have him as a prime target for January
i have just read that, if the report is correct then he can f!!!off the ungrateful little tw-t!! Not as good as he thinks he is anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on December 21, 2014, 12:57:39 PM
For the right money I'd let him go but only if we are going to replace him with quality. I have no faith in our scouting department to do that though. I'd love us to get someone like Defoe or Lambert in on loan for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on December 21, 2014, 01:11:32 PM
For the right money I'd let him go but only if we are going to replace him with quality. I have no faith in our scouting department to do that though. I'd love us to get someone like Defoe or Lambert in on loan for the remainder of the season.
if Ted played him he'd score goals are you for real sell our best prospect for over twenty million and get Lambert on loan jp would love you
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on December 21, 2014, 01:22:05 PM
Our last two games turned when he came on. Be careful what you wish for those saying he should eff off.

Perhaps he had his hoodie up and earphones on because he's focused?! You could say those that do aknowledged the fans and have a laugh aren't taking it seriously enough.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on December 21, 2014, 01:55:30 PM
To anyone that wants us to sell Berahino,do you think that Ideye,Anichebe and Samaras will score the goals to keep us up??not a chance they will struggle to get 3 between them.

Berahino has to play every game,he is the only striker weve got who can score goals. Take his goals out and we would be in the bottom 3.

Sell him and were going down!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 21, 2014, 02:04:58 PM
Our last two games turned when he came on. Be careful what you wish for those saying he should eff off.

Perhaps he had his hoodie up and earphones on because he's focused?! You could say those that do aknowledged the fans and have a laugh aren't taking it seriously enough.

He came on yeaterday and we lost all our atacking shape & went from 2-2 to 3-2 down so that doesnt make sense?

Ideye showed ne yesterday hpw good he could be as a link up player, good geet and seems to have a good understanding with both Varela & Sess. A better all round option in my eyes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on December 21, 2014, 02:48:44 PM
Ideye showed ne yesterday hpw good he could be as a link up player, good geet and seems to have a good understanding with both Varela & Sess. A better all round option in my eyes.

So you would prefer a player who has made no impact at all and hasnt scored in the league to a bloke thats got 8 goals this season???that does not make any sense.

A striker is there to score goals and Ideye hasnt done that yet. I cant comment on yesterday's performance becasue i wasnt there but up until yesterday he hasnt offered nothing in my view.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on December 21, 2014, 03:00:16 PM
So you would prefer a player who has made no impact at all and hasnt scored in the league to a bloke thats got 8 goals this season???that does not make any sense.

A striker is there to score goals and Ideye hasnt done that yet. I cant comment on yesterday's performance becasue i wasnt there but up until yesterday he hasnt offered nothing in my view.
in all fairness until last week we hadn't seen him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 21, 2014, 03:03:30 PM
So you would prefer a player who has made no impact at all and hasnt scored in the league to a bloke thats got 8 goals this season???that does not make any sense.

A striker is there to score goals and Ideye hasnt done that yet. I cant comment on yesterday's performance becasue i wasnt there but up until yesterday he hasnt offered nothing in my view.

Of course i would prefer a bloke who has scored 8 goals. However; i would also prefer a bloke who offers more than taking penalties. Ideye has shown me in 2 games alot more fight, alot more link up, a better touch & an overall better game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 21, 2014, 03:06:35 PM
So you would prefer a player who has made no impact at all and hasnt scored in the league to a bloke thats got 8 goals this season???that does not make any sense.

A striker is there to score goals and Ideye hasnt done that yet. I cant comment on yesterday's performance becasue i wasnt there but up until yesterday he hasnt offered nothing in my view.
Nice manipulation of stats including cup goals for Berahino but not for Ideye.  Take away his penalties and he has four goals in 17 appearances and none in the last 7 (8?).

He may be a prospect but there is far too much expectation on his what appear to be relatively immature shoulders.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on December 21, 2014, 03:46:24 PM
He should see quite a bit of action over the next 4 games and I hope he's motivated by the exploits of Austin, Kane, Ings and Carol recently. All the media talk was about Saido for a while leading up to his England call-up, but now he's been overshadowed a bit by the others...wouldn't be too surprised to see him step it up a bit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on December 21, 2014, 04:19:02 PM
He came on yeaterday and we lost all our atacking shape & went from 2-2 to 3-2 down so that doesnt make sense?

Ideye showed ne yesterday hpw good he could be as a link up player, good geet and seems to have a good understanding with both Varela & Sess. A better all round option in my eyes.

I think whether Ideye stays on or not is irrelevant to the score line, the pendulum had swung well and truly in QPR's favour. The difference was that in the second half we didn't show a lot of intent in front of goal and Saido came on and showed intent and hit the bar. I'm not saying drop Ideye I'm just saying, Saido offers a threat.

I'd day Ideye looks a good player, the scuff won't help him win over the ultra-critical but ultimately Berahino offers a goal threat so maybe he should play WITH Ideye.

His stats look bad now because he's going through a drought but he just needs a break, just like Ideye does.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on December 21, 2014, 05:01:44 PM
To anyone that wants us to sell Berahino,do you think that Ideye,Anichebe and Samaras will score the goals to keep us up??not a chance they will struggle to get 3 between them.

Berahino has to play every game,he is the only striker weve got who can score goals. Take his goals out and we would be in the bottom 3.

Sell him and were going down!!!!
it's not that we want him to go, it's him that doesn't want to be here. So to me just like odemwingie and any other player that doesn't want to be here they can do one, simple as that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mat15(MH) on December 21, 2014, 05:02:15 PM
Nice manipulation of stats including cup goals for Berahino but not for Ideye.  Take away his penalties and he has four goals in 17 appearances and none in the last 7 (8?).

He may be a prospect but there is far too much expectation on his what appear to be relatively immature shoulders.

Why take away his penalties though? Surely that's manipulating the stats as well?

Don't get it, a goal is a goal. As we saw at Hull, having someone who can pop away in a penalty is massively important and I'm not sure it's something that should be used as a criticism of Berahino. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 21, 2014, 05:23:57 PM
Im not using it as a critic of him; its great at his young age he has rnoigh about him to take them.

However, its not every game you get a penalty. Saido has scored only 4 goals from open play. And a drought of 8/9 games without goal has resulted in him not starting the last 3. A totally justified & correct stance if you ask me.

Maybe 1 more game with Vic/Brown starting, then if they dont score, then Saido has his chance to again take the spot permanently.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on December 21, 2014, 05:27:22 PM
I'd play Saido wider in a couple of the festive games keeping Ideye in the middle. Varela and Sess are unlikely to play all these games and Saido is another who can offer an offensive threat from wide.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on December 21, 2014, 05:39:53 PM
I'd play Saido wider in a couple of the festive games keeping Ideye in the middle. Varela and Sess are unlikely to play all these games and Saido is another who can offer an offensive threat from wide.

I am with you on this but I have a feeling that AI thinks he can pick up one or two points over the next three games. I personally think he will get us nothing but hope to be proved wrong.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on December 22, 2014, 09:16:43 AM
Tottenham reportedly considering 25 million for SB anyone fancy a Andros Townsend plus 10 million January move?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on December 22, 2014, 09:27:15 AM
Tottenham reportedly considering 25 million for SB anyone fancy a Andros Townsend plus 10 million January move?

I would take that all day long if the opportunity came along

but it would have too be 15 million and Townsend
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on December 22, 2014, 09:35:03 AM
he can go for 20-25m for me, as long as we strengthen the first 11
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on December 22, 2014, 10:11:49 AM
12 million and Townsend, I would be happy with that deal.

Berahino has bags of potential but something isnt right.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on December 22, 2014, 10:20:37 AM
12 million and Townsend, I would be happy with that deal.

Berahino has bags of potential but something isnt right.

Perfect I'd love that to happen but we would have to use that 12 million to replace saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 22, 2014, 10:23:28 AM
Can we keep the transfer talk in the right place please

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=12311.0

If you post in here about possible transfer rumours and can't find it, before moaning at us have a look in that topic  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 22, 2014, 10:32:58 AM
I can see JP doing a loan to perm in the summer deal.
Gives us a funding stream and use of Saido till end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on December 22, 2014, 10:45:45 AM
he can go for 20-25m for me, as long as we strengthen the first 11
I agree to letting him go as I think he has flattered to deceive a bit.
Trouble is, if he goes that leaves us with only Anichebe and Ideye, which, on current form, equates to about 6 goals between now and May!
Whatever we get for Saido HAS to be invested in proven goalscorers. Forget bargain hunting and go for someone like Defoe or Adebayore, who we know can score at this level.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 22, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
stood outside QPR ground yesterday watching players get off the coach, berahino had his hoodie up , his earphones on and did not acknowledge the fans at all, if that dont mean he will go in january if he gets the chance i don't not what does

That means literally all the players will be off in January as only a small handful acknowledge the supporters off the bus, the club used to video them arriving to away grounds but their consistent ignorance towards fans and the negative comments the videos received about the players rudeness made them stop uploading them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 22, 2014, 10:48:48 AM
I agree to letting him go as I think he has flattered to deceive a bit.
Trouble is, if he goes that leaves us with only Anichebe and Ideye, which, on current form, equates to about 6 goals between now and May!
Whatever we get for Saido HAS to be invested in proven goalscorers. Forget bargain hunting and go for someone like Defoe or Adebayore, who we know can score at this level.

NO!!!!
Defoe, coasting in the states
Adebyore will get us 2 or 3 in his first games then disappear along with his bad attitude.

Both had it too good for 2 long we need hungry players with something to prove like ...................???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 22, 2014, 11:53:39 AM
You can not sell the only bloke in the team who can score goals half way through a season, especially during a season in which you are struggling.

You'd hope lessons were learnt from the window of January 2006 when let Earnshaw and Horsefield go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on December 22, 2014, 12:21:37 PM
If we can get Townsend & Joel Campbell from Arsenal I will be happy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on December 22, 2014, 03:05:23 PM
Reports have claimed the club has halted contract talks with Berahino’s representatives, but talkSPORT has been told it was the player himself who called time on the negotiations.
 
http://talksport.com/football/transfer-exclusive-liverpool-and-spurs-battle-wantaway-west-brom-star-141222129586?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on December 22, 2014, 03:20:44 PM
It wouldnt suprise me if that was the case.

In this intance however I think the club will have been the one to put in hold due to the drink driving incident.

If Saido is the one to have put them on hold, then I fully expect he will be gone in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 22, 2014, 03:20:50 PM
Reports have claimed the club has halted contract talks with Berahino’s representatives, but talkSPORT has been told it was the player himself who called time on the negotiations.
 
http://talksport.com/football/transfer-exclusive-liverpool-and-spurs-battle-wantaway-west-brom-star-141222129586?


Not good our better footballers wanting to leave.Give him the service which he dont get with us and watch him flourish
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 22, 2014, 08:06:41 PM
If we can get Townsend & Joel Campbell from Arsenal I will be happy.

Will probably end up with Andy Townsend and Sol Campbell
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on December 22, 2014, 08:16:38 PM

Not good our better footballers wanting to leave.Give him the service which he dont get with us and watch him flourish
Pretty much the law of the jungle isn't it ? Firstly does he want to leave right now or is he not signing to avoid making it more difficult for bigger clubs signing him 6 to 18 months down the line ?
We all know that players in and around the England squad are going to be moving on sooner rather than later....if he was at Spurs like Harry Kane then he probably wouldn't feel the need. Depressingly, it's hard for our club to turn the tide on this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on December 22, 2014, 08:27:44 PM
Sky sports reporting that they believe it was SB who stopped the contract talks with the club & not the club.

Looks like he's a bit miffed with AI for not starting him if thats the case & he soon changed his tune about him being the man who brought him on. :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on December 23, 2014, 07:35:49 AM
This will be the academy paying for itself, JP won't turn down a 20m deal and to be honest he shouldn't, it's how clubs like us will survive in whatever division we end up in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 23, 2014, 09:45:03 AM
This will be the academy paying for itself, JP won't turn down a 20m deal and to be honest he shouldn't, it's how clubs like us will survive in whatever division we end up in.

I agree. Impossible for the club to turn down but at the same time it will relegate us if we don't replace him with a proven Premiership goalscorer.  If we are relying on Brown Ideye and maybe another unproven import to score the goals to keep us up then selling Berahino in January could be an awful decision compared to selling him next summer.

If we could get Lambert and Townsend in January, either on loan or permanently, then I'd feel a lot happier about selling Berahino in mid-season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 23, 2014, 11:12:05 AM
It's TALKSPORT, the stories they generate themselves consistently turn out to be unsubstantiated nonsense.  Massive pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on December 23, 2014, 11:42:17 AM
It's TALKSPORT, the stories they generate themselves consistently turn out to be unsubstantiated nonsense.  Massive pinch of salt.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/transfer-rumours/2014/12/23/transfer-rumours-december-23/

other papers picking up on the story.
£25m mentioned? he'll be gone
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 23, 2014, 01:35:24 PM
You can not sell the only bloke in the team who can score goals half way through a season, especially during a season in which you are struggling.

You'd hope lessons were learnt from the window of January 2006 when let Earnshaw and Horsefield go.

We did exactly the same last year selling Shane Long..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on December 23, 2014, 01:38:21 PM
Not sure why Spurs would have him to be honest, they've got better in Kane. Liverpool could take him as a panic buy though.

Anything above £20 mill and he can leave, but that has to be reinvested in another winger and a striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 23, 2014, 01:45:08 PM
Not sure why Spurs would have him to be honest, they've got better in Kane. Liverpool could take him as a panic buy though.

Anything above £20 mill and he can leave, but that has to be reinvested in another winger and a striker.

I think they see Kane and Berahino as the future partnership.

If we sell him and buy Townsend and Lambert, that would be decent business on my view.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on December 23, 2014, 01:49:03 PM
I think they see Kane and Berahino as the future partnership.

If we sell him and buy Townsend and Lambert, that would be decent business on my view.

Not a bad shout . Ponchetino doesn't seem to like Townsend, but I'm not sure he would want to come here but we could try that as leverage in a player plus cash deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 23, 2014, 02:07:48 PM
I find it very difficult to like him as a person, he's clearly so talented he has the potential to be a very good Premier League player. Problem is he has had issues at every club he's been at on loan, caused issues here despite still being just another talented youngster trying to break through.

He's not a lost cause just yet but any offer in the region of £20m needs to be seriously considered, our problem will be replacing him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on December 23, 2014, 02:19:07 PM
I find it very difficult to like him as a person, he's clearly so talented he has the potential to be a very good Premier League player. Problem is he has had issues at every club he's been at on loan, caused issues here despite still being just another talented youngster trying to break through.

He's not a lost cause just yet but any offer in the region of £20m needs to be seriously considered, our problem will be replacing him.
I disagree I think the hardest part would be watching him flourish in another team especially the spuds with a co England striker, Would be very hard to take.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 23, 2014, 02:20:42 PM
I personally doubt that he will flourish at another club. As I said he isn't a lost cause yet but if he doesn't sort himself out he is in real danger of becoming just another talent wasted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 23, 2014, 02:30:14 PM
I disagree I think the hardest part would be watching him flourish in another team especially the spuds with a co England striker, Would be very hard to take.

As long as we spend the money wisely in January, which I have grave concerns about, I would be happy to see him go.  £20m is too good to turn down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 23, 2014, 02:36:57 PM
Alan Irvine has said today that we have had no enquiries for Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on December 23, 2014, 02:49:20 PM
Townsend would be the one that i would think would be used as bait.

I know above comments were made in jest at the rumours that get flung about but Soldado wouldn't be a bad shout as a loan or something in the interim if he became available due to Berahino's transfer.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on December 23, 2014, 03:09:08 PM
We did exactly the same last year selling Shane Long..

We will sell him on the 31st Jan at 23.59 with no chance of bringing any new players in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on December 23, 2014, 03:11:21 PM
It looks like Man Utd could be in the hunt to, With the money that's being touted & the clubs looking to sign him i dont see him being a albion player long when the window opens in January & if it down to JP wanting more ££££ for him not getting the move we will be left with a very unhappy forward.
link to utd

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/548486/Saido-swoop-Liverpool-Berahino-replace-Inter-Mario-Balotelli
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 23, 2014, 03:28:16 PM
We did exactly the same last year selling Shane Long..

Long wasn't the only striker we had last year who had scored more than a single league goal though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 23, 2014, 03:57:47 PM
Long wasn't the only striker we had last year who had scored more than a single league goal though.

My point being is that if the club receive an offer which matches their valuation then there is a track record suggesting they will accept. And I believe they would again in the case of Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 23, 2014, 04:19:55 PM
My point being is that if the club receive an offer which matches their valuation then there is a track record suggesting they will accept. And I believe they would again in the case of Saido.

JP will be salivating at the prospect of Liverpool, Spurs and Man U in a bidding war.

Puts us in a better bargaining position for player exchanges although wages will always be a problem when signing anyone from those clubs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on December 23, 2014, 04:24:54 PM
I think every player has a price and if anybody wants to pay a good one for Saido then i would sell.

I think like BH Baggie said, he has a lot of potential but i have major doubts he will fulfill it. After last seasons dramas when by all accounts he turned into a d**k, this season he seemed to be back on track, but it looks like he was a naughty lad with the driving and possibly drinking and according to Collymore (who despite being Villa is quite knowledgable) his sources within the England camp said the coaching staff and players werent impressed with Saido's billy big time attitude and thats why he got no minutes when at the time he was the best young english striker in the country.

At the moment his season is panning out same as last, he starts well, lots of talk about him and new deals, he does some stupid stuff and fades away and starts to play for himself.

There is something about him i dont particularly like and i dont know what it is, with his tough background, what he has been through to the fact he now is one of our own academy players playing in the premier league and getting called up for his country, he is one of our own and should be a hero in the fans eyes but for me personally and the way it seems with a lot of other fans, we just havent taken to him.

I wouldnt mind keeping him as long as his attitude is right (i dont just mean out of form on the pitch, all players have that) but if we got say £20m or £15m and Townsend i would take it like a shot and go and buy Jordan Rhodes, a goalscorer who  is young and seems hungry, think Blackburn also have money problems so hopefully could get him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on December 23, 2014, 04:35:55 PM
I think every player has a price and if anybody wants to pay a good one for Saido then i would sell.

I think like BH Baggie said, he has a lot of potential but i have major doubts he will fulfill it. After last seasons dramas when by all accounts he turned into a d**k, this season he seemed to be back on track, but it looks like he was a naughty lad with the driving and possibly drinking and according to Collymore (who despite being Villa is quite knowledgable) his sources within the England camp said the coaching staff and players werent impressed with Saido's billy big time attitude and thats why he got no minutes when at the time he was the best young english striker in the country.

At the moment his season is panning out same as last, he starts well, lots of talk about him and new deals, he does some stupid stuff and fades away and starts to play for himself.

There is something about him i dont particularly like and i dont know what it is, with his tough background, what he has been through to the fact he now is one of our own academy players playing in the premier league and getting called up for his country, he is one of our own and should be a hero in the fans eyes but for me personally and the way it seems with a lot of other fans, we just havent taken to him.

I wouldnt mind keeping him as long as his attitude is right (i dont just mean out of form on the pitch, all players have that) but if we got say £20m or £15m and Townsend i would take it like a shot and go and buy Jordan Rhodes, a goalscorer who  is young and seems hungry, think Blackburn also have money problems so hopefully could get him.

It's the billy big ******** attitude for me why I can't take to him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on December 23, 2014, 05:09:15 PM
Long wasn't the only striker we had last year who had scored more than a single league goal though.

Plus Shane Long would struggle to finish his dinner where as Saido will put chances away. berahinos in a different class to Long.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on December 23, 2014, 06:42:19 PM
This club and us fans have been desperate for a lad to come out of our academy for years.  One of 'us' who can translate the fans' passion onto the pitch.  This kid should be worshiped by us fans.  He's just been called up for the England squad.   Every one of us should be dreading the though of him leaving so soon. 


I'm sure he looks at Scott Sinclair as a role model.   Plenty of money, dolly piece on his arm and tramlines in his eyebrows.  Well I will be happy when you are far from this club because that is exactly what is wrong with modern footballers.  The Sky money has bred this type of footballer.  Its not too late because he is so young but I suspect he is a lost cause already and I'm sure the club will be touting him to the highest bidder.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 23, 2014, 08:16:45 PM
Its easy with him to believe speculation in the media, normally I wouldn't believe a word that comes from the TalkSport website or from that bell end Collymore but in the case of Saido everything said seems pretty believable.

Its very strange as you hear about him having attitude problems throughout his very short career so far then he goes through a patch where people come out and say he's sorted himself out and very humble and he reaps the rewards of that but then he slips into old habits again. Perhaps that is what happens when you get so much money to spend so young and possibly easily led, we see so many talented youngsters throw away potentially great careers in this way.  Coming from where he has being a refugee and going through struggles in his youth you expect he wouldn't let an ego get the better of him and he's clearly not a stupid kid either so if he does fail to meet his undoubted potential then he has no one to blame but himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on December 23, 2014, 08:37:03 PM
25 million would do then we could buy a defender and midfielder we have Nabi and Roofe coming through who will both exceed Berahino's "talent"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: valleybaggie on December 23, 2014, 08:44:35 PM
this reminds me of the season we sold the only scoring striker and the club and replaced him with no one rob earnshaw . championship here we come
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 23, 2014, 08:51:51 PM
Take away the penalties he isn't that much of a goalscoring striker as things stand, he's still in the phase of his career where he has so much more potential to fulfill. I think we wold all hope that he does that here but I don't think I'm the only one that has severe doubts about it.

I do understand the concerns about potentially not being able to replace him though but until a club makes a bid there is no decision to make. I personally don't believe that anyone will offer anywhere near what we will want for him, everything is pure speculation in the papers at the moment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on December 23, 2014, 10:51:58 PM
I can see Berahino move on before 2015 is out, but we need to hold on to him in the January window - unless we have a ready made replacement (not someone of the Ideye ilk), which I doubt very much.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyfred on December 24, 2014, 12:59:23 PM
am rapidly changing my view regarding this young man , i have championed his cause for the last couple of years,but all the reports we are listening to recently would suggest that we potentially have "could have been a good one" on our hands, we have seen plenty of young players over the years who thought they had made it , Luke Moore, Scott Sinclair just two that spring to mind, and stopped doing the things that got them to that point initially.
I think to be honest with you , if the big money bids come in and i mean 15m minimum we should take it , as long as the money is re-invested in the team, a pity we got no chance of getting our money back on Ideye because around 25m to invest in january would be good merry xmas to all
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on December 24, 2014, 06:16:41 PM
Hate too say it but I would sell aswell.

Seems his attitude problem has not gone, if we can sell and reinvest in a decent forward then ill be happy.

Thought we had a gem and waxed lyrical about him at first but have gone off him completely and have no real affinity with the guy

Coming from his background you would think he would have more humility
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on December 24, 2014, 06:33:30 PM
Mimimum of 25 mil will buy us a top quality defender and midfield captain...then bring Nabi and Roofe through..they both have more potential than SB...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 24, 2014, 06:36:40 PM
Mimimum of 25 mil will buy us a top quality defender and midfield captain...then bring Nabi and Roofe through..they both have more potential than SB...

Who's going to score the goals between January and May to keep us up?   Brown Ideye, Vic, Samares and a couple of kids?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on December 24, 2014, 07:45:00 PM
If I'm honest I don't think Saido would score that many between Jan and May either so I'm not sure he will be that missed.

As long as the money is reinvested in a quality forward then I've not issue with Saido leaving
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie_liam on December 24, 2014, 07:52:17 PM
What about £15m + Townsend/Lennon
Danny Ings and/or Rickie Lambert £3-4m ish?
And a loan signing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on December 24, 2014, 08:12:05 PM
http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2014/12/berahino-30m-west-brom-lfc-transfer-news.html?m=1

Saying here that he is going to be Liverpool's top target.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on December 25, 2014, 04:08:54 AM
His circle of friends have a lot to do with it... There's some very questionable characters he likes to associate himself with but that's probably down to where he's grown up in Birmingham
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on December 25, 2014, 01:06:49 PM
Cant wait to see Berahino hanging around Balotelli...  ;D #disaster
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbastrollers on December 25, 2014, 06:24:41 PM
Cant wait to see Berahino hanging around Balotelli...  ;D #disaster

I don't think so - If he goes to Liverpool it will be like  'passing ships'
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on December 25, 2014, 07:05:59 PM
You never get to know how good a striker is unless you provide him with chances . With our present set up chances created are few and rare . Sb may go but I can't see 25 million no way .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on December 25, 2014, 09:36:20 PM
I don't think so - If he goes to Liverpool it will be like  'passing ships'

Not sure who would want Balotelli tbh.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbastrollers on December 25, 2014, 10:23:19 PM
Not sure who would want Balotelli tbh.

Depends on how much Liverpool are prepared to lose?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on December 26, 2014, 04:09:37 AM
Irvine says in The Sun that we are braced for bids for Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on December 26, 2014, 07:58:10 AM
Irvine says in The Sun that we are braced for bids for Berahino.

That is the kiss goodbye then! Out club has gone from saying too little to far too much!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on December 26, 2014, 09:53:55 AM
If he does go for a big bid then the real question is do you trust Albion to get any quality replacements in or will then go cheap again and pocket a handsome profit ?

 >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Plastic Paddy on December 26, 2014, 10:19:46 AM
If he does go for a big bid then the real question is do you trust Albion to get any quality replacements in or will then go cheap again and pocket a handsome profit ?

 >:(

In a word NO. If SB is sold in January without a quality replacement brought in, we will most likely be relegated.

Whilst SB hasn't looked the same for the last few weeks, he is still our only real goal threat. Having said all that, if any club is willing to offer us in excess of £20M I can't see JP turning it down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on December 26, 2014, 12:36:34 PM
In a word NO. If SB is sold in January without a quality replacement brought in, we will most likely be relegated.

Whilst SB hasn't looked the same for the last few weeks, he is still our only real goal threat. Having said all that, if any club is willing to offer us in excess of £20M I can't see JP turning it down.
if any club offers anywhere like the figures banded about 20-25 million I would be shocked, hes average at best but if the albion sell him and hes not replaced we are as good as relegated, we have a history of selling strikers in January though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on December 26, 2014, 01:42:42 PM
History or not, if the lad is a bad egg and from rumours I'm hearing wants to go in Jan then I've no trouble with him going.

if he wanted too stay, sort his head out and play to his best then I see no reason to sell him right now.

However twice in a year he has been in the news for the wrong reasons one of them I find personally abhorrent (drink driving) and if thats what the lad is about after the upbringing he has had and all the 'thank god' tweets he does then I can't wait too see him gone
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dan7heman on December 26, 2014, 06:18:56 PM
I don't thnk his value will get any higher than it is now. Take 20 and run.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on December 27, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
If Berahino goes to liverpool I expect Leko to follow. Very good friends apparently.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2014, 10:45:50 AM
If Berahino goes to liverpool I expect Leko to follow. Very good friends apparently.

Nonsense.  Makes no difference whether they are friends or not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on December 27, 2014, 01:58:28 PM
Let him go now. He has done well for us but has dropped off and shows a selfish side we cannot afford. Make as much as we can before his value drops. That being said who else do we have and who will we bring in to replace him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: graka on December 27, 2014, 03:15:45 PM
still our best striker by a country mile. you don't see ideye or vic getting into the positions he did against city because his movement is far superior. ok he didn't score either but neither were easy chances. he is under contract so keep him and look to get rid of some dead wood rather than our best striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on December 27, 2014, 04:36:17 PM
Keep Saido.
If we sell up then any new replacement won't be fit enough/used to the team set up to be used before April anyway.
Allegedly.
 ;).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on December 28, 2014, 10:40:39 AM
If we get 20mil+ and Ings as a replacement, I would be very happy with that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yardley on December 28, 2014, 10:46:16 AM
Get 15 million plus Townsend off spurs and go buy Ings and get Michu on loan before palace do
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on December 28, 2014, 10:56:34 AM
Get 15 million plus Townsend off spurs and go buy Ings and get Michu on loan before palace do

WE need a midfield general more than a forward a Bobby Hope type player someone who can pick a pass
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie Boy on December 28, 2014, 11:01:46 AM
WE need a midfield general more than a forward a Bobby Hope type player someone who can pick a pass

You mean the fantastic Jimmy Morrison cant do that!!  :o ;D :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: palmaroy on December 28, 2014, 11:13:39 AM
You mean the fantastic Jimmy Morrison cant do that!!  :o ;D :D
why on earth did we let George Thorne go
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on December 28, 2014, 11:26:45 AM
why on earth did we let George Thorne go

Because he is an injured crock at a very young age. He still hasnt kicked a ball for Derby
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on December 28, 2014, 12:23:31 PM
Because he is an injured crock at a very young age. He still hasnt kicked a ball for Derby

Plus he wanted out & that for me was the best reason of all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on December 28, 2014, 12:28:18 PM
Get a decent defender and a midfielder who can tackle...bring Roofe back and give Nabi a run...he is a better player than Kane and Berahino...what are we waiting for !!!!  Oh yes of course ..we are waiting for Chelsea to come and buy them for nothing...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 12:06:57 AM
http://metro.co.uk/2014/12/28/liverpool-close-to-signing-west-brom-striker-saido-berahino-in-23-5m-transfer-deal-5001441/

This is Transfer News but is also highly relevant to what might change, and how it could be funded.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 12:08:53 AM
Metro is reporting tonight that Liverpool are going to offer £23.5m for him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on December 29, 2014, 12:09:58 AM
http://metro.co.uk/2014/12/28/liverpool-close-to-signing-west-brom-striker-saido-berahino-in-23-5m-transfer-deal-5001441/

This is Transfer News but is also highly relevant to what might change, and how it could be funded.
Rightly or wrongly I don't blame the kid! my opinion for what its worth
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 29, 2014, 12:16:56 AM
From what ive been told today by a couple of people; there is no truth in this ... Yet!

Liverpool are setting sights higher for £24m than Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on December 29, 2014, 06:45:59 AM
Metro is reporting tonight that Liverpool are going to offer £23.5m for him

I'll warm the car up
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on December 29, 2014, 08:48:12 AM
They are just talking about Berahino on Talksport with Nigel Pearson the midland correspondent also stating that Liverpool will bid 23.5m

Snap their hands off
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on December 29, 2014, 08:49:39 AM
I'll warm the car up

I best drive him up there
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on December 29, 2014, 08:49:45 AM
I'll warm the car up

I'll fight you for that pleasure  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 09:10:08 AM
no way is he worth anywhere near that. if we sell him for that and not re invest go down then god help peace
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 09:15:50 AM
For 23 million we would be stupid to not accept that kind of money, BUT we would have to buy a replacement.

No way could we go to the end of the season relying on Ideye and a half fit Anichebe.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 29, 2014, 09:18:11 AM
His agent is clearly working hard.  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darby009 on December 29, 2014, 09:24:47 AM
I am most definitely not ITK but a good few weeks ago I was told that Liverpool were going to be coming in with a bid of around £25m and willing to throw in Lambert to force the deal through.  Don't shoot the messenger but the same person told ne that Yan Dananda was off to Liverpool way before it became public
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 09:34:53 AM
I am most definitely not ITK but a good few weeks ago I was told that Liverpool were going to be coming in with a bid of around £25m and willing to throw in Lambert to force the deal through.  Don't shoot the messenger but the same person told ne that Yan Dananda was off to Liverpool way before it became public

I would take 25 million and Lambert.

Go on get someone else in on loan as back up (even someone like Sanogo), and spend about 6 million on a decent centre mid from abroad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on December 29, 2014, 09:43:11 AM
If Liverpool are going to offer silly money (20m plus) then we have to take it PROVIDING it's used for strengthening the team NOT absorbed into the accounts/money already spent etc garbage.
It COULD help towards offering a NEW MANAGER and his staff a decent incentive !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 09:51:42 AM
advanced talks i hear
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: we8seals on December 29, 2014, 09:54:01 AM
advanced talks i hear

20+ million for a bloke only good enough to warm our bench - cant be bad. then we can buy two and a half brown ideye's
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 09:55:41 AM
If its 20+ then he has to go, but JP cannot let the current "coaching" team decide where to invest that money.
We'll be inundated with Chris Baird / Big Vic clones.

Different subject, I see Samaras getting dissed by some on here, what has he done wrong?? 4-5 cameos and we're writing him off?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 29, 2014, 09:56:42 AM
advanced talks i hear
Do the talks involve any players coming our way??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 09:58:29 AM
Do the talks involve any players coming our way??



Nothing i have heard various radio stations have there been any mention of involving other players.They are discussing now on Talksport
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on December 29, 2014, 09:59:06 AM
Isn't it negotiation strategy to have the potential sold player sit the bench in the run upto a transfer. Prevents injuries and suspensions. All pre arranged and wouldn't be surprised early Jan his off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on December 29, 2014, 10:00:23 AM
25 million I'd snap their hands off! Providing we sell some more of the dead wood as well like Morrison,  Dorrans etc and maybe get 5 million. That will give us plenty money to invest... or will we?  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 10:01:00 AM
Id probably take 15 million plus Borini if that was an option.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on December 29, 2014, 10:05:32 AM
20+ million for a bloke only good enough to warm our bench - cant be bad.

Really? He is our best striker by a mile!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on December 29, 2014, 10:12:08 AM
Really? He is our best striker by a mile!

but he doesnt want to be here!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on December 29, 2014, 10:16:05 AM
Id probably take 15 million plus Borini if that was an option.

That wouldn't be a bad deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on December 29, 2014, 10:20:38 AM
Id probably take 15 million plus Borini if that was an option.

Me too, if it involves a player coming our way then please god let it be Borini and not carthorse Lambert.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 10:47:55 AM
let em keep the cash take Borini, coutinhio & lambert, rape the scousers
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 10:50:28 AM
Me too, if it involves a player coming our way then please god let it be Borini and not carthorse Lambert.

I actually think Lambert would be a decent signing for us.

But if the club does get the option of the two strikers above, I hope we would push for Borini.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 29, 2014, 10:51:10 AM
A decent player that looks like he is going to go the way of a few young players and never reach his full potential. Whether it's his attitude, lifestyle or his friends something's not right with him...personally I think it's all 3.

I'd love him to stay but only if he got his head right and started playing for the team like he was at the start of the season rather than for himself. He looks like he can't be bothered. He rarely closes down, waits for the ball to come to him rather than making moves towards the ball and when he gets decent chances as against Man City the keeper doesn't even have to make a save.

I don't think he wants to be here anymore so let's take the stupid money Liverpool will no doubt offer and use it to strengthen the playing squad.

I'd take Lambert as part of the deal as he may be a carthorse but he's a carthorse that can score at this level as he proved at Soton. A front 2 of Lambert and Ideye could work with Lambert being a more threatening version of Anichebe.

If we didn't get Lambert I'd try for Defoe as he still has it at this level and could be a good mentor for Brown Ideye to learn from.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 11:10:55 AM
A decent player that looks like he is going to go the way of a few young players and never reach his full potential. Whether it's his attitude, lifestyle or his friends something's not right with him...personally I think it's all 3.

I'd love him to stay but only if he got his head right and started playing for the team like he was at the start of the season rather than for himself. He looks like he can't be bothered. He rarely closes down, waits for the ball to come to him rather than making moves towards the ball and when he gets decent chances as against Man City the keeper doesn't even have to make a save.

I don't think he wants to be here anymore so let's take the stupid money Liverpool will no doubt offer and use it to strengthen the playing squad.

I'd take Lambert as part of the deal as he may be a carthorse but he's a carthorse that can score at this level as he proved at Soton. A front 2 of Lambert and Ideye could work with Lambert being a more threatening version of Anichebe.

If we didn't get Lambert I'd try for Defoe as he still has it at this level and could be a good mentor for Brown Ideye to learn from.

Agreed re Lambert. He knows where the back of the net is.

Re Borini - we already have plenty of non-goalscoring strikers!

Not sure Defoe is an affordable option in terms of wages. He'll be at QPR with 'Arry. 

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on December 29, 2014, 11:13:32 AM
How about sell berahino for 25 million, get in lambert for 3 million. Sign a top winger and a top attacking midfielder for 10 million each ? Suits me
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 29, 2014, 11:19:24 AM
We won't sell Berahino for £25m

We will get around £15m plus addons or a player on loan which will be a problem if he goes to Liverpool as we already have the amazing Wisdom on loan from them so that could raise it to maybe £17m at best.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 11:22:25 AM
Put wisdom in the car with Saido, get the irish lad (flanagan) down here pronto.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 11:25:39 AM
He don't want to be here. Pending court stuff over his head. Rumours of other stuff behind the scenes. Hasn't scored a goal from open play in about 3 months.

If we are offered anything near £25 mill i'd snap there hand off.

I suspect however the Ideye signing was in preperation of him going and suspect that the majority of the money won't be put back into the playing squad.

Not sure I'd fancy lambert however.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 12:00:05 PM
From what ive been told today by a couple of people; there is no truth in this ... Yet!

Liverpool are setting sights higher for £24m than Saido.

Must admit, from Suarez to Saido would be a bitter pill to swallow if you were a scouser.,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 12:02:58 PM
sell your best striker, irvine has coach.Not encouraging is it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on December 29, 2014, 01:13:43 PM
If Berahino goes, who will score the goals?? Ideye may have lots of  movement, but has he got the goal poachers instinct? I haven't seen any. Anichebe has had his opportunities but is too slow at this level, and defenders can spot a mile off what his next move is. A replacement such as Lambert, would be a step backwards. Someone who has peaked and past his sell by date.

Even if we had a top coach in charge, which sadly we haven't,  you can only work with the players you have got.
Berahino is a player who is still learning, but he has the pace and sharpness to be a top striker. If he is sold, we are as good as relegated.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on December 29, 2014, 01:29:49 PM
but he doesnt want to be here!

Maybe,but he is far from being a bench warmer. He is our best striker and on his day maybe our best player
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 01:32:42 PM
seeing Ricky Lambert being discussed
anyone think he could be a latter day Kevin Campbell

Campbell left in January 2005 on a free transfer to West Bromwich Albion, who were bottom of the Premiership.[6] He was appointed team captain shortly after his arrival and successfully led the club to Premiership survival (this was the first time that a club which had been bottom of the league on Christmas Day had survived relegation).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on December 29, 2014, 01:40:54 PM
seeing Ricky Lambert being discussed
anyone think he could be a latter day Kevin Campbell

Campbell left in January 2005 on a free transfer to West Bromwich Albion, who were bottom of the Premiership.[6] He was appointed team captain shortly after his arrival and successfully led the club to Premiership survival (this was the first time that a club which had been bottom of the league on Christmas Day had survived relegation).

If we have any ambition as a club, we should be aiming to keep our best assets, especially if they are from our own youth academy. Taking a player past his peak is just a temporary stop gap measure. We should be building for the future.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 01:52:01 PM
The kid currently has
1. had england call up (eyes opened)
2. has an ambitious high profile club / manager courting him.
3. A mega pay day in the offing
4. possible european football
5. playing with established england stars week in / week out (Sterling, Sturridge, Gerrard, Johnson, Lallana..)

whereas he could stay at a club where

1. rewards and profile are less
2. team mate punched him,
3. mentor (Anelka) got sacked (his own fault)
4. there has been 2 years of turmoil
5. likelyhood of championship football
6. is seeing the man he referred to as a father figure leaving

Where do you think he'll be, give the opportunity ??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 02:03:24 PM
At the end of the day, footballers are in it for the career and opportunites.

Saidos best chances of playing for his country, will happen if hes playing European football for a big club.

Like it or not, he has no affection for this club, sure he will thank the club for giving him the opportunity in his career, but his main priority is himself.

Something has never been right with Saido, as a academy player the fans should love him, but for several reasons hes never really become that 'fans favourite'.

Also if you take away his penalties (yes I know they still count and you still have to score them) and he hasnt really scored that many goals in open play.

If someone was to offer us 20 million plus for him, our club in our position would be stupid to not cash in. That said, we would need to replace him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bry on December 29, 2014, 02:17:01 PM
                                             Foster
New Right back      Lescott    New Centre Half       Gamboa
        £4m                                            £5m
                          Mulumbu   Morrison/Gardener
            Varela        New Mid-Field Player    Sessegnon
                                         Â£6m
                                      Lambert

And a ew Striker for  £ 10m  all from £25m + Lambert for Berahino from Liverpool
Sell off the dross to pay the new wages.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on December 29, 2014, 02:23:39 PM
At the end of the day, footballers are in it for the career and opportunites.

Saidos best chances of playing for his country, will happen if hes playing European football for a big club.

Like it or not, he has no affection for this club, sure he will thank the club for giving him the opportunity in his career, but his main priority is himself.

Something has never been right with Saido, as a academy player the fans should love him, but for several reasons hes never really become that 'fans favourite'.

Also if you take away his penalties (yes I know they still count and you still have to score them) and he hasnt really scored that many goals in open play.

If someone was to offer us 20 million plus for him, our club in our position would be stupid to not cash in. That said, we would need to replace him.
Easier said than done. Where are the goalscoring strikers who can do it at premier League level, and would want come to West Brom?? Not very many.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on December 29, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
At the money being touted we have to let SB go :'( only because that is what he wants, bigger club & all that. At this moment in time i think he isnt worth that much £££ at time to in his career.
P/S to JP Dont forget the sell on clause. ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on December 29, 2014, 03:48:49 PM
At the money being touted we have to let SB go :'( only because that is what he wants, bigger club & all that. At this moment in time i think he isnt worth that much £££ at time to in his career.
P/S to JP Dont forget the sell on clause. ;)
He may change his mind next week if we get a new coach in that motivates him in the right way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on December 29, 2014, 04:00:44 PM
He may change his mind next week if we get a new coach in that motivates him in the right way.


I thought SB & AI were best mukka's i mean he said about 6 weeks ago that he had a lot to thank AI for his great start but he never once did he thank anyone else who was involved in the last 10 years of his training.  go's to show how things can change in 6 weeks ha.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: slugga1 on December 29, 2014, 04:37:29 PM

I thought SB & AI were best mukka's i mean he said about 6 weeks ago that he had a lot to thank AI for his great start but he never once did he thank anyone else who was involved in the last 10 years of his training.  go's to show how things can change in 6 weeks ha.

Just thinking really, but I guess something like this has happened if he goes..  Liverpool put the feelers out with figures flying about a few weeks back,  leading to SB not getting as much game time..
I guess if that's the case AI is saying he will purchase the players with the funds made, hence board giving him more time (maybe he didn't have a say in some of the signings.. Prob most of them knowing our set up? )

I think anything over 20 Mill would be good business but we will urgently need another striker or 2 who knows where the net is,  lambert wouldn't be bad as a starting point,  I thibk he would score more than sb anyways to be fair if given the game time
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on December 29, 2014, 05:24:06 PM

I thought SB & AI were best mukka's i mean he said about 6 weeks ago that he had a lot to thank AI for his great start but he never once did he thank anyone else who was involved in the last 10 years of his training.  go's to show how things can change in 6 weeks ha.

Just words. Could have been written down for him to quote.

If Berahino goes, I can't see where the goals will come from.
It will be trips to Watford, Blues and the Wulfies again next season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on December 29, 2014, 07:08:13 PM
Just words. Could have been written down for him to quote.

If Berahino goes, I can't see where the goals will come from.
It will be trips to Watford, Blues and the Wulfies again next season.

Surely you wouldn't turn that kind of money down for a 21 year old & if JP did how long will he sulk about not getting his dream move, Na at that price we best just let him go "with a add on if he's sold on"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on December 29, 2014, 07:26:06 PM
Surely you wouldn't turn that kind of money down for a 21 year old & if JP did how long will he sulk about not getting his dream move, Na at that price we best just let him go "with a add on if he's sold on"

How much will it cost the club if we get relegated? Can't see Ideye or Anichebe scoring the goals to keep us up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on December 29, 2014, 08:55:48 PM
How much will it cost the club if we get relegated? Can't see Ideye or Anichebe scoring the goals to keep us up.

how long will he sulk about not getting his dream move ??
Answer, Forever & who would he blame everybody but himself & that would not only affect the way he plays but others around him to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 01:04:26 AM
A move to Liverpool will do him the world of good, just look at Sturridge and Sterling. They don't mess about at Melwood, he'll shape up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 12:41:32 PM
I think someone at the club is a little angry this morning  ;D

West Bromwich Albion ‏@WBAFCofficial ·27m27 minutes ago
Ok time to clear a few things up. One final time, this Berahino to @LFC story for £23m is and always has been an entire fabrication...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 12:42:37 PM
I think someone at the club is a little angry this morning  ;D

West Bromwich Albion ‏@WBAFCofficial ·27m27 minutes ago
Ok time to clear a few things up. One final time, this Berahino to @LFC story for £23m is and always has been an entire fabrication...

yes its £23.5m
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 31, 2014, 09:52:45 AM
Firstly let me say that I don't use twitter, but, out of curiosity i went to saido's twitter account see if saido had made on comment upon AI sacking.

What i saw left me Gobsmacked and i am no prude.
a) the absolutely vile, nasty comments from "fans" towards Saido.             Disgraceful
b) Saido's apparent chaviness and apparent self importance.             You can see how the billy bigtime stuff comes about.

I will not be looking at twitter again, its shocking.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on December 31, 2014, 09:54:57 AM
Sky sports reporting that they believe it was SB who stopped the contract talks with the club & not the club.

Looks like he's a bit miffed with AI for not starting him if thats the case & he soon changed his tune about him being the man who brought him on. :o

If hes had a strop for being dropped and sulked then he wont get far in football.  He was dropped for a reason he had been poor for a few weeks.

Whats he going to do at another club if hes dropped?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 10:02:02 AM
Firstly let me say that I don't use twitter, but, out of curiosity i went to saido's twitter account see if saido had made on comment upon AI sacking.

What i saw left me Gobsmacked and i am no prude.
a) the absolutely vile, nasty comments from "fans" towards Saido.             Disgraceful
b) Saido's apparent chaviness and apparent self importance.             You can see how the billy bigtime stuff comes about.

I will not be looking at twitter again, its shocking.

That's why I no longer have an account and only look occationally like the last few days for news.

The place is full of strange people and no one really moderating, which is why I have respect to those who moderate on here because if they even get a fraction of the stuff on here as there is on twitter, then they've got their work cut out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 31, 2014, 10:09:21 AM
Last scored 20 October,  allegedly drink driving 22 October. Coincidence?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 31, 2014, 10:14:30 AM
Last scored 20 October,  allegedly drink driving 22 October. Coincidence?

I can't see anyone paying good money for a player who might be facing an imminent jail sentence
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 31, 2014, 10:29:34 AM
He was due to be interviewed by Cheshire police in early December but it all seems to have gone quiet? Appreciate it's Christmas and CPS etc. might not be the quickest but would have expected to have moved on by now?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: colinmax on December 31, 2014, 10:36:26 AM
Ignoring £19M for Chambers and £30M for Shaw how much is a young regular starting fullback in the premiership worth? Say £4M?
My worry is that Liverpool will offer £10M made up of £6M cash and Wisdom.Heaven forbid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 31, 2014, 11:22:44 AM
Ignoring £19M for Chambers and £30M for Shaw how much is a young regular starting fullback in the premiership worth? Say £4M?
My worry is that Liverpool will offer £10M made up of £6M cash and Wisdom.Heaven forbid.

Shane Long £12m rather set the tone. 

I would have thought £15m plus add-ons is about right, but any chairman who could get £11m for Curtis Davies way back in 2007/8 is going to carve out a better deal than that!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on December 31, 2014, 01:11:55 PM
yes its £23.5m


BERAHINO FEE SET TO BE REDUCED…

http://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/spurs-liverpool-could-land-west-brom-ace-for-14m?

At that price he's a keeper.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 31, 2014, 02:03:12 PM
tell em to do one!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 31, 2014, 02:08:11 PM
His attitude has stunk the place out since his England call up apparently.

Will be interesting to see how Pulis deals with him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ComebackStrodds on December 31, 2014, 02:25:14 PM
Pulis should get big Dave to stick him in the back of transit van, drive him to canock chase and give him a good beating. That might sort him out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggiesFacts on December 31, 2014, 02:32:37 PM
We can do better than Cannock Chase surely?!

I think Berahino could be in for a shock, as well as some others, should they be anything other than 100% committed to the cause under Pulis.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 31, 2014, 02:36:48 PM
His attitude has stunk the place out since his England call up apparently.

Will be interesting to see how Pulis deals with him.

i remember when Pulis took Jermaine Pennant from liverpool, at the time Pennant had a wild reputation, from outside it looked like Pulis thought he could straighten him out but after a bright start Pennant went off the rails again, (he is now playing in India via Dinglehampton)

All to say that TP will give people a chance to sort themselves out but ultimately he won't be jerked around the player has to knuckle down or face the exit. Saido would do well to note this, (if he stays)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 31, 2014, 02:38:46 PM
£15m with plenty of add-ons is something I can actually see us accepting. No big club is going to come in with £20m+ up front for him when he clearly has attitude issues although that is what we will initially push for.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 31, 2014, 02:40:32 PM
Personally I would persevere with him but not as the central striker unless its part of a strike partnership. I think he can be very effective out wide as he has shown before and the pressure would be off him somewhat out there, when up top on his own its no good having him with his back to goal he just isn't suited to it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on December 31, 2014, 02:48:13 PM
Pulis should get big Dave to stick him in the back of transit van, drive him to canock chase and give him a good beating. That might sort him out.

If Big Dave's taking him 'up' to the Chase are you suggesting he beats him with his love truncheon?
 :D :o :D :o :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 31, 2014, 02:53:08 PM
In my honest opinion Berahino believes he is too good for our club, no doubt he has been swayed by playing for England and contact with other premidonnas as well as pundits singing his praises. The constant press speculation about being sold and higher salaries with bigger clubs won't help.

What would you do at his age and being advised by an agent who is really only interested in his slice of the action.

Surely it would be better to sell him now and give Pulis the money to spend on keeping us up.

The choice is simple WBA or Berahino


Got to be Baggies ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 31, 2014, 02:54:43 PM
In my honest opinion Berahino believes he is too good for our club, no doubt he has been swayed by playing for England and contact with other premidonnas as well as pundits singing his praises. The constant press speculation about being sold and higher salaries with bigger clubs won't help.

What would you do at his age and being advised by an agent who is really only interested in his slice of the action.

Surely it would be better to sell him now and give Pulis the money to spend on keeping us up.

The choice is simple WBA or Berahino


Got to be Baggies ;)

Only sell if the price is right, in JP we trust !! or should it now be in TP we trust ??

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ComebackStrodds on December 31, 2014, 03:07:34 PM
Berahino will look like Marlon Harewood if he stays. Pulis will have him on the anichebe diet, he'll be our new and improved Fuller.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on December 31, 2014, 06:04:40 PM
I don't think his perceived attitude issues are bad enough to affect his value personally - he has bouts of immaturity which could in part be due to the course his life has taken.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pete on January 01, 2015, 06:40:57 AM
Liverpool supposedly not doing any business in January according to Rogers on SSN.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 01, 2015, 07:24:15 PM
Did a fair bit of chunterring when he came off, did not look happy. Can't see big Tony liking his Billy Big Balls attitude. Would love him to kick him into shape rather than kick him out though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 01, 2015, 07:35:50 PM
It was Sess who did all the work today, laid the goal on a plate to him.
Saido kept his cool and slotted it home. What else did he do, during the match?
Saido wasn't his "old" self.
TP will have to get him to work for the other players in the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 01, 2015, 07:40:03 PM
It was Sess who did all the work today, laid the goal on a plate to him.
Saido kept his cool and slotted it home. What else did he do, during the match?
Saido wasn't his "old" self.
TP will have to get him to work for the other players in the team.
If not move him on.There are others out there that can do it and more.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on January 01, 2015, 07:42:36 PM
Should take a leaf out of Harry Kane's book. The guy was outstanding tonight against Chelsea, he never stopped working.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 01, 2015, 07:51:38 PM
Little too much attitude when he came off for me, was swaggering and muttering and then threw away the jumper which was given him.  He even sat on his seat like a spoilt juvenile
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 01, 2015, 07:56:04 PM
Little too much attitude when he came off for me, was swaggering and muttering and then threw away the jumper which was given him.  He even sat on his seat like a spoilt juvenile

I can't wait for the day when Tony Pulis kicks his backside into gear.

He either drops the attitude or he won't play. I'm sure it will be made that simple to him.

Pulis didn't look best pleased when the camera turned to his face.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on January 01, 2015, 08:02:18 PM
I can't wait for the day when Tony Pulis kicks his backside into gear.

He either drops the attitude or he won't play. I'm sure it will be made that simple to him.

Pulis didn't look best pleased when the camera turned to his face.

Same as Liam!. Looks like the days of the Comfort Zone boys will be coming to an end.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on January 01, 2015, 08:11:33 PM
Difficult one. He has to have the same group discipline, but we don't want to push him towards the exit door, when he is by far the best finisher at the club. I cannot see our other forwards slotting away his chance today so clinically, as it was not as easy as it looked. If he hadn't scored we'd be discussing a 0-1 defeat now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ben1983 on January 01, 2015, 08:17:45 PM
Or you can look at things in a different light, he's disappointed as he wants to play?

Sometimes the media like to make a mountain out of a mole hill!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on January 01, 2015, 08:24:29 PM
Difficult one. He has to have the same group discipline, but we don't want to push him towards the exit door, when he is by far the best finisher at the club. I cannot see our other forwards slotting away his chance today so clinically, as it was not as easy as it looked. If he hadn't scored we'd be discussing a 0-1 defeat now.

Im with Alex im really torn i hope Pulis brings the best out of him hes obviously frustrated he isnt getting serious game time for us at the moment and i can understand it the problem we have is we have paid 10 mill for a similiar type player so naturally they will rotate, Im hoping he knuckles down under pulis and becomes a dominant force hes finishing really is top 4 however hes attitude is well documented i hope he does good and has a solid second peroid to the season i wouldnt want him to leave just yet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adamstv on January 01, 2015, 08:32:39 PM
That goal today may have put another million on his price tag!  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 01, 2015, 08:37:25 PM
I think, as with all the players, TP's call for 'unity' will soon come into full effect.

It's going to be shape up or ship out all round I reckon.

At last a bulldog.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on January 01, 2015, 08:45:26 PM
That goal today may have put another million on his price tag!  ;D

Why so eager to get money for him ? For a replacement that probably wont be 25% as good and prolific, Dont understand that the guy is still scoring goals for us important goals and for that hes an important member of our team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 01, 2015, 10:31:56 PM
As with a couple of previous comments, I was disappointed to see Berahino's childish behaviour when he was substituted today. It's all well and good and I can totally understand a player maybe not being happy at being hauled off but this looked like another show of complete petulance from a silly little boy. I can't make my mind up over Berahino's future. Possibly Pulis can kick his backside and get him to grow up and mature but I think the better option could well be to cash in right now while we still can.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 01, 2015, 10:40:12 PM
Could it be the Odemwingie influence from the past?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adamstv on January 01, 2015, 10:49:21 PM
Why so eager to get money for him ? For a replacement that probably wont be 25% as good and prolific, Dont understand that the guy is still scoring goals for us important goals and for that hes an important member of our team.
I don't want to get rid of him, it was meant as an ironic comment. Whilst he is a goal scorer not happy with the petulance he showed when subbed. It's a team game, disappointed or not he has to accept decisions made by management as we have to whether they are perceived as being  right or wrong
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 01, 2015, 10:49:40 PM
Could it be the Odemwingie influence from the past?

Stands a very good chance. Berahino's mind and opinions have no doubt been swayed somewhat by listening to Odemwingie and possibly other influences. Someone such as Berahino who has obviously and maybe understandably got a few issues psychologically will always be affected by the opinions of so called seniors. If he does stay, if anybody can sort his head out, I'd like to think Pulis can.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 01, 2015, 11:11:32 PM
Uncle Roy needs to have a word....grow up or forget international honours !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on January 01, 2015, 11:20:27 PM
There were rumours he didn't make his debut for Enfland because Hodgson wasn't impressed with his attitude. Only rumours though
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 01, 2015, 11:21:57 PM
Uncle Roy needs to have a word....grow up or forget international honours !

I'd like to think that maybe Roy pulled him to one side and had a good talk to Saido during the last England squad get together. This might not be enough, he strikes me as the sort of player who needs support and guidance on a daily basis, like I said before, if anyone can man-manage him and get the best out of him I think Pulis can....If it's not too late and his future away from the club is not already decided.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on January 02, 2015, 08:23:39 AM
There were rumours he didn't make his debut for Enfland because Hodgson wasn't impressed with his attitude. Only rumours though
Micky Quinn on talksport said the same. He heard that SB was annoying players with the way he was swaggering around the training camp, it was the reason he didn't get on against Scotland. Could be a crock of s......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 02, 2015, 08:29:29 AM
Micky Quinn on talksport said the same. He heard that SB was annoying players with the way he was swaggering around the training camp, it was the reason he didn't get on against Scotland. Could be a crock of s......

People probably making up rumours, or trying to add 1+1 together and getting something different. Its known to many that Berahino has an element of cockiness about him, media probably creating stories as he didnt get game time.

On the flip side, it could be 100% true as we all know, he does have an element of cockiness about him, and if the stories are true it wouldnt really come as a shock to many of us would it.

I think we will see 1 of 2 things happen with Pulis in charge, a change of attitiude from Saido, or the exit door/bench.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie82 on January 02, 2015, 10:06:45 AM
Too much is being made of his reaction to being subbed. Yes he was disappointed and shook his head whilst sitting on the bench. That's a good thing, you want players to be annoyed as not being on the pitch! Pulis should be able to bring the best out of him, but time will tell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies54 on January 02, 2015, 11:30:56 AM
Did he ever go and thank Sessegnon for laying it on for him....seemed more interested in thanking someone up in the sky.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 02, 2015, 11:32:57 AM
Did he ever go and thank Sessegnon for laying it on for him....seemed more interested in thanking someone up in the sky.
That's the first thing i saw , i think he will either improve hugely under Pulis or be gone fairly quickly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 02, 2015, 11:36:35 AM
Yeah I noticed that aswell, quick to congratulate someone up in the sky who didn't stop him drink driving and speeding in the early hours of the morning but couldn't turn round and thank a guy who teed him up for an easy goal and gave him some more limelight.

He may have scored but the guy is an arrogant, ignorant selfish boy, he needs to become a team player before he goes to any 'BIG' clubs or he will get found out very quickly
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 03, 2015, 10:09:59 AM
Don't dare sell your only goal scorer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 03, 2015, 10:15:55 AM
Don't dare sell your only goal scorer

I'd be happy to take the risk. He is more a penalty scorer than goal scorer. The money that comes in would be reinvested and TP would not see us without the required amount of strikers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 03, 2015, 10:16:53 AM
Don't dare sell your only goal scorer

UNLESS you are able to replace him with a proven goalscorer.

Jermaine Defoe anyone?    Sell Saido for £20m, buy Defoe for £6m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 03, 2015, 10:25:28 AM
Do not sell your top scorer mid season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tennant1wba on January 03, 2015, 10:46:02 AM
i would sell berahino and bid for lukaku  or  defoe  and maybe hope brown ideye comes through cant see it though really !!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 03, 2015, 10:57:59 AM
i would sell berahino and bid for lukaku  or  defoe  and maybe hope brown ideye comes through cant see it though really !!

Well, Defoe is a lot likelier than Lukaku.

Then again, Lukaku is far likelier than Brown Ideye making it in the PL!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 03, 2015, 11:27:16 AM
I do not think Everton would sell Lukaku, not unless a silly bid like £50mil was made!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on January 03, 2015, 11:37:56 AM
No way is Lukaku going to happen. Lukaku was great for us I've never seen such a talented youngster up the Albion who I truly believe could go on to be world class. Although it's about time some of our fans moved on it really is. In no way will we see Albion spend the sort of money Everton would want. With regard to Brown Ideyes criticism I realise he hasn't hit the ground running but how anyone can write off a young player from the Ukrainian league after only a handfull of starts I'll never know. Let's give the lad a fair chance shall we.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on January 03, 2015, 12:12:38 PM
Thing about Saido that strikes me is he hasn't nandled the sudden success very well at all. Look at the Laughing Gas/Drink Driving issues. That shows a certaiin level of immaturity, so, if an offer came in for say £23m and was blocked would he resent the club and sulk for the rest of the season? I don't want to see him go and It's a tough call so glad I'm not the one making it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on January 03, 2015, 12:44:31 PM
I would like to see how he goes under Pulis, one reason being, it makes sense to provide him with proper service not long balls.
From all we've read - not just from AI but the academy staff who developed him, it seems he is a good lad 90% of the time....maybe he just gets bored now and then and goes of the rails.
There's one thing for sure, Pulis won't let anyone get above their station and swan about for too long. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 03, 2015, 12:50:33 PM
We have to keep him at least for the rest of the season. He will play a big part in our 1-0 remaining games this season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on January 03, 2015, 04:51:27 PM
To stand any chance of staying up we would be foolish to let him go
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggielad82 on January 03, 2015, 05:03:26 PM
I would say Berahino is off then. Didn't celebrate or smile for anyone of his 4 goals against Gateshead today!

I don't care if we're playing Gateshead or Chelsea, you should always show a bit of joy....he didn't look interested at all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGYINTHESOUTH on January 03, 2015, 05:04:28 PM
Not a happy attitude after four goals he put in, LAST GAME FOR THE ALBION???????
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on January 03, 2015, 05:05:44 PM
Oh who cares. He's a maverick, an idiot etc etc but he scores us goals. Thats all that matters.

We are too nice as a club. Sometimes the top players are annoying but they are still top players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 03, 2015, 05:06:47 PM
Great finishing from the lad but blimey cheer up fella when you score and be happy about it.

try too hang onto him until summer then go from there I reckon
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 03, 2015, 05:09:02 PM
Let him go in the summer maybe but we cannot afford to in January.

I don't trust us as a club to replace him adequately.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on January 03, 2015, 05:10:13 PM
If he scores 10 more this season then £30m at least!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 03, 2015, 05:11:01 PM
Oh who cares. He's a maverick, an idiot etc etc but he scores us goals. Thats all that matters.

We are too nice as a club. Sometimes the top players are annoying but they are still top players.

Totally agree. A lot of top players and indeed people in other professions have some flaws. I'm not fussed what goes on off the pitch if he's doing the business on it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on January 03, 2015, 05:11:59 PM
Sell him at our peril
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on January 03, 2015, 05:19:40 PM
Imagine Liverpool and Spurs were watching very closely ...just read that Burton believes that no player is guaranteed to stay and every player has a price...Peace will not turn down 20 million..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on January 03, 2015, 05:21:06 PM
Imagine Liverpool and Spurs were watching very closely ...just read that Burton believes that no player is guaranteed to stay and every player has a price...Peace will not turn down 20 million..



Having a striker who can help keep us up I am sure is worth more than 20 million
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Marcus on January 03, 2015, 05:23:01 PM
I know he didn't smile and looks like he wants away but he put a shift in today and scored some great goals, so fair play to him.

Just a thought, but I wonder if there is any chance of selling him in Jan for a reduced value and having him loaned back to us for the rest of the season? I guess that's only possible if one of the really big boys are interested. Couldn't see Liverpool or Spurs being interested in deal like that though  :( #clutchingatstraws
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gazberg on January 03, 2015, 05:43:20 PM
Doesn't sound like hes dying to get away (from post game interview with bbc)

 "Gateshead started really bright in the first 20 minutes and passed really well, tried to play, but once we scored the first, we were confident we could get more. We wanted to kill the game off as soon as possible.

"Tony Pulis is a big character and has put his stamp on the club already, you could see that the lads were getting stuck in for him today and it is great to see us get seven goals for him today."

Hopefully he gets his head down and gets on with the rest of this season and everyone gives each othr a fresh start with TP now in the driving seat.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on January 03, 2015, 05:50:35 PM
Those people relaxed about the club selling Berahino.
Do you really think there is an adequate replacement out there who can take those chances against Prem teams?
If he is sold, just  don't come on this Forum  later in the season complaining that the club hasn't got any natural goalscorers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 03, 2015, 05:53:34 PM
Those people relaxed about the club selling Berahino.
Do you really think there is an adequate replacement out there who can take those chances against Prem teams?
If he is sold, just  don't come on this Forum  later in the season complaining that the club hasn't got any natural goalscorers.
No simple as that.We do need better up front though with him.Vic I do not feel is the one so we need to go shopping. Saido I would hang on as long as possible.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 03, 2015, 05:59:32 PM
Doesn't sound like hes dying to get away (from post game interview with bbc)

 "Gateshead started really bright in the first 20 minutes and passed really well, tried to play, but once we scored the first, we were confident we could get more. We wanted to kill the game off as soon as possible.

"Tony Pulis is a big character and has put his stamp on the club already, you could see that the lads were getting stuck in for him today and it is great to see us get seven goals for him today."

Hopefully he gets his down and gets on with the rest of this season and everyone gives each othr a fresh start with TP now in the driving seat.




Far to much over action from some supporters. Get off his back, by God we need him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on January 03, 2015, 06:12:35 PM
Sell your top scorer in January?

No for me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 03, 2015, 06:15:48 PM
Barring a massive injury or driving while banned his value isn't going to drop significantly in the second half of the season. TP needs to make it clear to him that he is valued and we will listen to reasonable offers in the summer but right now he has to stay at West Bromwich Albion - the club that gave him his breaks and pays his not inconsiderable salary.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 03, 2015, 06:21:39 PM
So I'm most definitely not one of the ITK....

But I reckon the reason he's all mopey faced is there is no WAY JP is letting him go - he knows come the end of the season it's a bigger golden goose, especially with TP nipping at his heels.

Just my poxy theory.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on January 03, 2015, 06:25:56 PM
I would like to see how he goes under Pulis, one reason being, it makes sense to provide him with proper service not long balls.
From all we've read - not just from AI but the academy staff who developed him, it seems he is a good lad 90% of the time....maybe he just gets bored now and then and goes of the rails.
There's one thing for sure, Pulis won't let anyone get above their station and swan about for too long.

I see things in a similar way. Saido has all the talent in the world but he can be his own worst enemy and trip himself up . For whatever reason Saido disappears into his own bubble now and then. It is for him to learn to not go there (mature) and for Pulis and the other players to relate to him in a way that helps him not go there.

For me it is imperative that we can keep Saido and have a healthy Saido turning up for us.  We cannot dump every single "problem" like a hot potato and get rid, we have to have the ability to sort out problems and turn things to our own advantage.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on January 03, 2015, 06:27:43 PM
So I'm most definitely not one of the ITK....

But I reckon the reason he's all mopey faced is there is no WAY JP is letting him go - he knows come the end of the season it's a bigger golden goose, especially with TP nipping at his heels.

Just my poxy theory.

Think you may be right - especially as TP has the final say on whether he stays or goes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on January 03, 2015, 07:08:43 PM
Problem is does he still want to be here?. Yes i know it was only Gateshead, but at least crack a smile!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 03, 2015, 07:13:00 PM
Problem is does he still want to be here?. Yes i know it was only Gateshead, but at least crack a smile!



Pulis said he was buzzing in the dressing room after the game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on January 03, 2015, 07:18:58 PM
buzzing why didn't he show it on the pitch ? he is either shy or moody . great goals today so show it after you score .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on January 03, 2015, 07:19:47 PM
did well today but from his body language and lack of celebration after his goals he doesn't want to be here, and if he goes in January he is now cup tied. So that wouldn't have pleased him either, but at the end of the day he got four against a  non league team!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing boing baggies on January 03, 2015, 07:22:24 PM
respect i guess  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on January 03, 2015, 07:23:36 PM
A co conversation between Jeremy Peace and Rodgers this week...

Rodgers: "Hello Mr Peace you probably know why I'm calling its to talk about Saido Berahinio"

Peace: "Hello we are not currently welcoming offers for young Saido"

Rodgers: "But we want to offer you the twenty five million you want"

Peace: " I don't know where you've got that figure from he scored 4 goals against Gateshead in the cup Saturday afternoon we now want Thirty million pounds"

Rodgers hangs up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 03, 2015, 07:24:26 PM
Problem is does he still want to be here?. Yes i know it was only Gateshead, but at least crack a smile!


Just seen the goal footage, can see what you are saying
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on January 03, 2015, 07:30:34 PM
I tell you what moving to a bigger club would be a massive mistake he sulks enough if he doesnt play now let alone if hes left on the sidelines as a Liverpool etc.

My gut feeling is he will be here until the summer if not abit longer clubs will want to see how his 'attitude' pans out under an experienced gaffer.

As for not celebrating today,abit of a non starter really even us fans were just clapping the goals in the main why watch a documentary when you can make a soap opera.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: garry on January 03, 2015, 07:34:56 PM
Looking at the highlights - he didn't smile once after scoring.
He just scored four goals in a match and looked totally disinterested ffs!
How is that even possible?
Any psychologists/psychiatrists on the site...?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on January 03, 2015, 07:45:17 PM
Looking at the highlights - he didn't smile once after scoring.
He just scored four goals in a match and looked totally disinterested ffs!
How is that even possible?
Any psychologists/psychiatrists on the site...?

No, I'm a parent and recognise the behaviour of a spoilt child not getting his own way
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 03, 2015, 07:51:17 PM
No, I'm a parent and recognise the behaviour of a spoilt child not getting his own way
What's Vic's excuse? he did exactly the same.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on January 03, 2015, 07:54:35 PM
What's Vic's excuse? he did exactly the same.

There are no excuses for that type of behaviour if what I have read is accurate.

Fans like to see their players celebrate even if they are sometimes exaggerated and over the top.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on January 03, 2015, 07:54:53 PM
None of them celebrated! Most of the fans didn't even celebrate, mostly just clapped! The stick he's getting is crazy, he just scored 4 world class goals, get off his back. Absolutely ridiculous. Also think they've been told to celebrate as a team to show the unity by pulis as every player high 5ed each other after every goal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on January 03, 2015, 07:56:45 PM
Looking at the highlights - he didn't smile once after scoring.
He just scored four goals in a match and looked totally disinterested ffs!
How is that even possible?
Any psychologists/psychiatrists on the site...?

To be honest i couldnt give a damn whether he takes his shirt off, does a klinsmann or dances like lee hughes,as long as he is banging the goals in thats all that matters

The blokes got 13 goals now,so he is obviously doing something right.

Some people just like to pick at something

As long as he is scroing goals i couldnt give a damn about anything else
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on January 03, 2015, 07:58:22 PM
There are no excuses for that type of behaviour if what I have read is accurate.

Fans like to see their players celebrate even if they are sometimes exaggerated and over the top.

No i pay my money to see my team score goals not to see a player celebrate
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 03, 2015, 07:59:19 PM
None of them celebrated! Most of the fans didn't even celebrate, mostly just clapped! The stick he's getting is crazy, he just scored 4 world class goals, get off his back. Absolutely ridiculous. Also think they've been told to celebrate as a team to show the unity by pulis as every player high 5ed each other after every goal.
wonder what his twitter account is like? I wouldn't be surprised if some people were pushing him away by having a go at him there..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on January 03, 2015, 08:00:24 PM
No i pay my money to see my team score goals not to see a player celebrate

Then somebody ought to tell the players that, would save a lot of time and bookings.

Oh, and by the way, I agree with you
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on January 03, 2015, 08:00:26 PM
Maybe he wants to stay and he's just annoyed with people selling him off  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on January 03, 2015, 08:00:37 PM
To be honest i couldnt give a damn whether he takes his shirt off, does a klinsmann or dances like lee hughes,as long as he is banging the goals in thats all that matters

The blokes got 13 goals now,so he is obviously doing something right.

Some people just like to pick at something

As long as he is scroing goals i couldnt give a damn about anything else
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 03, 2015, 08:09:20 PM
i did post on here the other day that some posts by "baggies fans" on his twitter account are a disgrace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 03, 2015, 08:09:34 PM
There are no excuses for that type of behaviour if what I have read is accurate.

Fans like to see their players celebrate even if they are sometimes exaggerated and over the top.
you do know the majority of fans BARELY celebrated at all? they just gave a small cheer and clapped. like it was Golf.

the goalscorers didn't celebrate (bar Morrison where he put his arms out for 2 seconds), the players walked to each scorer and hugged and high five'd and all that, not many smiled. Saido wasn't alone in this, but because he scored 4 his face was on screen.

In the way the team reacted to the game and to the goals, I think this was seen as a glorified training session. Which, in the end, it turned out to be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on January 03, 2015, 08:10:54 PM
Back in the days of old an handshake was how most goals were celebrated.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on January 03, 2015, 08:12:00 PM
you do know the majority of fans BARELY celebrated at all? they just gave a small cheer and clapped. like it was Golf.

the goalscorers didn't celebrate (bar Morrison where he put his arms out for 2 seconds), the players walked to each scorer and hugged and high five'd and all that, not many smiled. Saido wasn't alone in this, but because he scored 4 his face was on screen.

In the way the team reacted to the game and to the goals, I think this was seen as a glorified training session. Which, in the end, it turned out to be.

Probably because they were in shock at seeing the goals being racked up  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 03, 2015, 08:15:21 PM
The post match video of him:

He's saying "we" about Albion

He's talking of scoring as many as possible for the team for the rest of the season.

I think there's little things there showing he's not totally out the window as far as staying for the season.

I just think the lad isn't very bright and is a little moody. thus he gets into stupid situations. I guess it'll be interesting to see how the court appearance goes. For the club to stop contract talks with him is a big move.

I'd be amazed if we sell him in Jan and can only see that happening if we have X, Y, Z lined up and the £20m+ from saido is needed..... But having said that we need his goals.... He may well go in the summer. But not before.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albiondean on January 03, 2015, 08:15:38 PM
None of them celebrated! Most of the fans didn't even celebrate, mostly just clapped! The stick he's getting is crazy, he just scored 4 world class goals, get off his back. Absolutely ridiculous. Also think they've been told to celebrate as a team to show the unity by pulis as every player high 5ed each other after every goal.

Yep, me too, just clapped our goals, but out of respect for a non league side, if they had scored, i'm sure many Albion supporters would have clapped also.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 03, 2015, 08:18:16 PM
i did post on here the other day that some posts by "baggies fans" on his twitter account are a disgrace.




Totally shocking if they do. are they brain dead kids or something
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on January 03, 2015, 08:19:26 PM
He was annoyed when he came off the other day and I'm thinking maybe it was a "this is what I can do and I'm serious" sort of reaction to the goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albiondean on January 03, 2015, 08:20:19 PM
btw, if we are going to sell Berahino, why make him cup tied ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 03, 2015, 08:21:25 PM



Totally shocking if they do. are they brain dead kids or something

Very likely - the problem is if he thinks they represent the average fan...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on January 03, 2015, 08:22:31 PM
None of the goalscorers celebrated at all. A simple case of people making a mountain out of a mole hill for me, as usual.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 03, 2015, 08:24:54 PM
btw, if we are going to sell Berahino, why make him cup tied ?



That's a good point indeed, maybe he was hacked off for being played
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on January 03, 2015, 08:28:59 PM


That's a good point indeed, maybe he was hacked off for being played

Shane long left days after we lost to palace last season so i wouldnt read anything into that. Long had to miss the cup final aswell
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on January 03, 2015, 08:31:02 PM
I can only relate to when money wasn't the be all and end all to our game . The money these footballers get removes them from any loyalty or kinship to the club and fans . He ain't no different to any other kid with an attitude . Money gives them power to do what they want and creates this arrogance . He may not go in jan but he will at the end of the season . Sorry folks I can remember when players were paid not so much and there was loyalty .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 03, 2015, 08:31:57 PM
Why would you want to sell your best forward and goalscorer?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andio on January 03, 2015, 08:36:57 PM
Unfair criticism being aimed at him regarding his non celebration of goals.

I didn't celebrate the goals as much as I usually do, like most people in the stands didn't either.

It was to be expected, so why go crazy?

When Prem players score against non league opposition, they show respect and don't go running around like they have just scored the winning goal in a World Cup final, give the kid a break.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 03, 2015, 08:39:52 PM
I respected him (and others) for not making a meal out of his well scored goals.The Guys up against will never reach Prem quality but deserve respect.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIE5 on January 03, 2015, 08:42:28 PM
I really hope liverppol bid 20 million. I still don't rate him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on January 03, 2015, 08:45:19 PM
I really hope liverppol bid 20 million. I still don't rate him.

Who do you rate then?becasue there isnt a player in th sqaud that can finish like him. God you must really hate anichebe,ideye and samaras.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on January 03, 2015, 08:47:49 PM
I really hope liverppol bid 20 million. I still don't rate him.

If it was a direct choice between your assessment and TP's, I'd have to go with TP, sorry   :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 03, 2015, 08:50:31 PM
Keep him if TP wants and and and get rid of Vic and a few others. They do not cut it and will take us down not good enough simple as.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 03, 2015, 08:56:05 PM
I just had a thought about all the players who came in to the prem this summer in the £6-15mill region.

Bafetimbi Gomis - 4 goals in 20 games (and that's only helped by his brace today Vs a non-league team - "Free" transfer, but with a reported £6mill signing on fee.

Emmanuel Rivière - 2 goals in 16 games - Very nearly came to us, about £6m I think.
 
Abel Hernández - 3 goals in 9 games (but not sure why he's only played 9 times?) - £10mill after selling Long

Shane Long - 3 goals from 12 games - we know all about him. I still think selling him was good business, shame we spent it badly.

There are no doubt people I'm missing, but from the top of my head on Sakho at West Ham (8 in 14) has been the only new guy to a team who has been a success. With this in mind and defending Bobby to a degree (because he's not done any worse than these guys) I think selling Saido would be utter madness.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggielad82 on January 03, 2015, 09:01:18 PM
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't slating him for not celebrating....he scored 4 cracking goals today and put a good shift in. I was merely pointing out that he didn't look happy, the lad scored a hatrick plus 1, he should be overjoyed no matter who we were playing. Ok, maybe it was out of respect for Gateshead....but don't you shake hands before and after the game to show respect?

Anyway, I hope he doesn't go anywhere, we're going need his goals if we want to stay up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on January 03, 2015, 09:02:50 PM
Back in the days of old an handshake was how most goals were celebrated.

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Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 03, 2015, 09:05:47 PM
could he be another
"my name is Andrew Cole, not Andy Cole" personality ?

Petulant but a marvelous goal scorer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 03, 2015, 09:10:50 PM
Shane long left days after we lost to palace last season so i wouldnt read anything into that. Long had to miss the cup final aswell
TBF that was more Hull's fault for trying to be cute and missing out on him him the previous window, otherwise he'd have been there that whole time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on January 03, 2015, 09:19:00 PM
I take onboard all those that went to the game today said about why SB didn't celebrate, out of respect for inferior opposition etc.

But, if my memory serves me correctly, did he not do the same against West Ham when he scored, although he did look and point up to the sky on that occasion
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 03, 2015, 09:23:35 PM
I take onboard all those that went to the game today said about why SB didn't celebrate, out of respect for inferior opposition etc.

But, if my memory serves me correctly, did he not do the same against West Ham when he scored, although he did look and point up to the sky on that occasion
If I remember right after he scored he ran straight into a player the went off the other way wincing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on January 03, 2015, 09:25:19 PM
Id have been more worried if none of the players went to celebrate with him. I think everyone bar myhill went to him for all the goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 03, 2015, 09:44:16 PM
Id have been more worried if none of the players went to celebrate with him. I think everyone bar myhill went to him for all the goals.
Yes they did and congratulated him well enough.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ronnie_allen on January 03, 2015, 09:47:10 PM
So in effect, Saido is getting a lot of stick that he wouldn't have been getting if he didn't score four (or even one) goal today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on January 03, 2015, 09:50:18 PM
I have no problem with low key celebrations, we were playing a non league team. The least we could do was show them some respect for their endeavours.
I had been in favour of selling him but after those finishes we would lose a great talent and have no one to replace him. If he scores another 5-10 by the end of the year his value will increase dramatically and we will have the summer for a replacement if needed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggielad82 on January 03, 2015, 09:53:29 PM
Maybe he's adopted Balotelli attitude....doesn't celebrate for doing his job!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on January 03, 2015, 10:06:50 PM
So in effect, Saido is getting a lot of stick that he wouldn't have been getting if he didn't score four (or even one) goal today.

Great point!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sted1990 on January 03, 2015, 10:16:48 PM
I'm not going to read too much into today but in all honestly I think the majority of us haven't warmed to him as a man, he should be a cult hero but I've never thought about him that way, he will leave sooner rather then later and we will miss his ability on the field, but fingers crossed we find a winning formula without him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on January 03, 2015, 10:20:03 PM
From what I've read on this thread about SB's non celebration, to be fair, I haven't seen that he has received "stick" in my opinion.

In the main there have been observations, mine included, on his overall body language that has been questioned and rightly so.

He is a talent, one that we would miss if he were sold. But there must be reasons for halting contract talks with him and leaks from the dressing room about his attitude, if they are to be believed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on January 03, 2015, 10:22:45 PM
From The Guardian. Even they have picked up on potential trouble regarding Saido:

Quote
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jan/03/west-bromwich-albion-gateshead-fa-cup-third-round-match-report

(http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2015/1/3/1420301516823/West-Bromwich-Albion-v-Ga-012.jpg)

Saido Berahino bolstered his transfer value with a four-goal haul, including an 11-minute hat-trick, as West Bromwich Albion gave Tony Pulis the ideal welcome party with an emphatic victory.

The new manager at The Hawthorns now has the task of bringing a smile to the player either by rehabilitating the £23m rated striker or by cashing in on him now that his barren run is over.


etc.


Do note the pic with the players celebrating with Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 03, 2015, 10:26:20 PM
has mozza got his finger in saido's eye ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: rogerstubbs on January 03, 2015, 10:45:02 PM
What has happened with saido's speeding/drink driving case?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 03, 2015, 10:59:56 PM
What has happened with saido's speeding/drink driving case?

Gone very quiet, may not be as straight forward as some would like to believe.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 03, 2015, 11:04:35 PM
Maybe it was the team's collective way of acknowledging their guilt that their poor performances had cost AI his job and that they shouldn't be celebrating an easy win against a non league side?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 03, 2015, 11:10:17 PM
Tony Pulis said "you should go and see him in the dressing room, he's more happy in there".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30669567
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ronnie_allen on January 03, 2015, 11:18:26 PM
Just watching Match of the Day. An extremely low key celebration but in fairness, Anichibe looked every bit as miserable after he scored as well.

Brunt and Morrisson seemed happy alright. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on January 03, 2015, 11:22:21 PM
Just watching Match of the Day. An extremely low key celebration but in fairness, Anichibe looked every bit as miserable after he scored as well.

Brunt and Morrisson seemed happy alright.
.  Which pair have been told they are going ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tucka9 on January 03, 2015, 11:26:15 PM
Anyone see his photo on instagram of his match ball? message on there saying £23 million, tongue in cheek or something we don't know maybe?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 03, 2015, 11:28:40 PM
.  Which pair have been told they are going ?

Brunt and Morrison I reckon have been told they are available but don't want to go, Berahino wants to go but only at our price rather than at his price, and Anichebe fed up because he was injured again and had wanted to come off!

But I may be wrong!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 03, 2015, 11:38:06 PM
Maybe it was the team's collective way of acknowledging their guilt that their poor performances had cost AI his job and that they shouldn't be celebrating an easy win against a non league side?

The players didn't cost Irvine his job, he was an awful head coach, manager whatever. It was inevitable he would be sacked.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies97 on January 03, 2015, 11:55:21 PM
I don't think there's any problem with him not celebrating - no one bar Morrison really did - but he looked almost upset he'd scored, the other players at least smiled! Having said that, main thing of course is the goals, and from the analysis shown on motd he showed good spacial awareness, especially for the first goal just waiting at the back post for his chance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 03, 2015, 11:59:17 PM
The players didn't cost Irvine his job, he was an awful head coach, manager whatever. It was inevitable he would be sacked.

Yes, but even this squad under him has underperformed by at least 6 points.  If they hadn't, then AI would no doubt have survived for another 4-6 weeks minimum.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on January 04, 2015, 12:00:37 AM
The players didn't cost Irvine his job, he was an awful head coach, manager whatever. It was inevitable he would be sacked.

So the players don't shoulder a part of the blame even though they are the professionals who are sent out to do a job and are putting in pathetic performances.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 17GD on January 04, 2015, 12:49:52 AM
Anyone see his photo on instagram of his match ball? message on there saying £23 million, tongue in cheek or something we don't know maybe?

I noticed that. Couldn't make out the signature, wonder if it's JP lol.

Also noticed his latest tweet:

The smile on my mum face when i gave her the match ball PRICELESS, and please let me breath, im only HUMAN!! #tooquick #toojudge


It's hard not to read into things when celebrities put things out in public.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 04, 2015, 12:58:48 AM
So the players don't shoulder a part of the blame even though they are the professionals who are sent out to do a job and are putting in pathetic performances.

They were sent out with no confidence, a flawed gameplan that was ruined if the other team scored. No I actually do absolve them of all blame. Seriously.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 04, 2015, 01:22:28 AM
Tony Pulis said "you should go and see him in the dressing room, he's more happy in there".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30669567

Cheers for that, I hadn't seen it. If he'd whipped his shirt off and swung it round his head he'd have looked a right plonker. So whatever, we'll see what happens. Hope TP can manage him well and keep him happy at the hawthorns.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 04, 2015, 01:25:08 AM
Brunt and Morrison I reckon have been told they are available but don't want to go, Berahino wants to go but only at our price rather than at his price, and Anichebe fed up because he was injured again and had wanted to come off!

But I may be wrong!

Source?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on January 04, 2015, 02:01:19 AM
I know he is a problematic individual including on loan spells but those so called Albion fans giving him grief on Twitter should hold their heads in shame.

We have not produced a finisher like him for many a year I reckon and the nearest we have had in recent times was KP.

We do not have anyone at the club with his natural goal scoring ability and although Gateshead gave him plenty of space which he wouldn't get in the Premiership the finishing was still top draw.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 04, 2015, 02:26:02 AM
Source?

It's pure conjecture. Berahino was fine, they just weren't rubbing the Gateshead players faces in it. As an aside the fact Pulis tried to sign Brunt for Stoke may disappoint a few on here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 04, 2015, 02:50:37 AM
It's pure conjecture. Berahino was fine, they just weren't rubbing the Gateshead players faces in it. As an aside the fact Pulis tried to sign Brunt for Stoke may disappoint a few on here.

I can imagine TP talking about the the squad -" gone, gone, hahaha, gone, Morison and Brunt? Yeah they're about the the best we've got, keep them". Seriously, have you got a clue if you think we will get rid of them? (Not you jacko).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albertbaggie on January 04, 2015, 08:24:14 AM
It's pure conjecture. Berahino was fine, they just weren't rubbing the Gateshead players faces in it. As an aside the fact Pulis tried to sign Brunt for Stoke may disappoint a few on here.
For me, this  was exactly how it was. I couldn't even be that bothered about celebrating myself, even though I enjoyed the  goals.
In terms of Berahino, I will  be interested to see if Liverpool are genuinely interested or not. For me, he'd be another gamble, not necessarily in terms of talent but certainly  baggage. Can Rodgers take another risk? 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on January 04, 2015, 08:31:16 AM
might have been said before but just watched MOTD and none of the players who scored celebrated, just newspapers causing a bit of trouble.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: spencer Baggie on January 04, 2015, 08:53:45 AM
You're a prem player, scoring against conference opposition. Why would you celebrate?

Shout be a routine training match, as it was.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 04, 2015, 08:56:20 AM
It's pure conjecture. Berahino was fine, they just weren't rubbing the Gateshead players faces in it. As an aside the fact Pulis tried to sign Brunt for Stoke may disappoint a few on here.

That's what I think Jacko, I think they'd all decided that they weren't going to humiliate them. Although I think Brunty changed his mind when the full back tried to cut Yacob in half  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Brummie Road on January 04, 2015, 10:16:42 AM
All I see is a player who clearly has a very high transfer value (hopefully something like the £20M-£25M being talked about in the media), who scored 4 excellent goals (appreciate it wasn't against top notch opposition but you still have to knock them in) who may or may not leave the Albion at some time in the future, if at all.

He didn't smile and celebrate much yesterday for reasons we don't know? Maybe it was respect for Gateshead? Who knows? Surely the important thing is he played exceptionally well and scored 4 goals, rather than how he chooses to celebrate?

We won 7-0 and he scored 4, so all in all a good day (especially as Pulis will have learnt a lot more from the first 40 mins than he did from the rest of the match).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on January 04, 2015, 10:17:58 AM
You're a prem player, scoring against conference opposition. Why would you celebrate?

Shout be a routine training match, as it was.
.   Totally agree, to many people trying to read into something that's not there . Don't think for one minute he will be sold in this window not while we are  fighting a relegation battle . Summer could be different  when TP  wants to rebuild the squad then I think you will see a major revamp
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Stroller on January 04, 2015, 11:04:34 AM
All getting a bit silly now: http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30669567
Presumably, this is what web news people call "clickbait".  ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on January 04, 2015, 11:23:46 AM
For me it's just a personality trait.

I run an Under 14s team and one particular lad scores plenty of goals, I've never seen him smile either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mooncat on January 04, 2015, 12:04:38 PM
Have to agree - none of our players particularly celebrated, but that was hopefully more out of respect for Gateshead.
Is they'd have been doing knee slides towards the Brummie after every goal we'd have no doubt had people moaning that they've 'only scored against Gateshead' so why the OTT celebrations!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 04, 2015, 12:16:18 PM
I am not on Twitter, but do read through some of the players accounts. Saido gets a combination of praise and stick, that goes with the territiory on social networking sites. The stick he received for praising Robin Van Persie for instance was uncalled for. Fans of other clubs try to attract his attention regarding transfers, while many of ours practically  beg him to 'follow' them. Pathetic in my humble opinion.

Some time ago he tweeted something like 'nobody knows where I have been or what I have been through'. He even got stick for that. From a  quick scan of his account today, this appears to have been removed. We are all aware of his past regarding how he came to be  here, but I think there is much more to Saido than meets the eye. He has commented more than once on twitter that he can barely breathe. The lad is well paid to produce the goods under pressure and he is doing so. He is not paid to reveal his life on social media, but then I am not of his generation. I would like him to stay and fulfill his potential with us. I would also like him to get off twitter. Too many distractions from an unreal world of needy hangers on.

All the very best young man.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on January 04, 2015, 12:39:46 PM
First half I was getting v.frustrated with the lad for what to me looked like a lack of effort but the second half he really really pulled his finger out and worked very hard for the team
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 04, 2015, 12:51:54 PM
Saido is our answer to Justin Bieber. Their antics bear many similarities :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyfred on January 04, 2015, 01:15:23 PM
it may well be that we will lose the best goal scorer we have had since one Kevin Phillips, you cannot replace that sort of goalscoring ability irreguardless of the opposition it was scored against, that cheaply, circa one 10m  player Brown Ideye, who is nowhere near the mark.
hopefully TP can persude him to stay at least until the end of the season, if he still ain't happy then we will have to cash in.
i have this feeling though that selling him at this point is the best price we are likely to get for him so you would have to consider 20-25m very  carefully, providing it is all going into the transfer kitty
look at Southampton, in the summer they lost half a team but they still brought good players in at reasonable prices and they ain't strggling against relegation, it could be time for the recruiting staff to step back up to the plate and do a better job than they did in the summer, ay least it will be with TP's approval
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: palmaroy on January 04, 2015, 01:20:37 PM
In all the years of watching football I've never seen a forward stand absolutely stationary as an attack is building up.The only thing he seems good at is striking the ball,possibly with both feet.Where is there any term play
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mrmojorisin on January 04, 2015, 01:24:20 PM
In all the years of watching football I've never seen a forward stand absolutely stationary as an attack is building up.The only thing he seems good at is striking the ball,possibly with both feet.Where is there any term play

Yes, but he didn't need to move in many cases.  Gateshead stood off him and gave him plenty of space, so what should he do?  Run into a marked area?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adamstv on January 04, 2015, 01:42:53 PM
Yes, but he didn't need to move in many cases.  Gateshead stood off him and gave him plenty of space, so what should he do?  Run into a marked area?

Funny how he never moved but the ball came to him and he despatched with aplomb into the net. If you look closely that was not an easy chance, many could have ballooned it over the bar. Perhaps he can just read things better than others.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on January 04, 2015, 01:47:32 PM
I notice Anichebe didn't celebrate his goal, I wonder if that means he's off to Liverpool for £25m? Absolute garbage non story!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on January 04, 2015, 01:49:37 PM
Yes, but he didn't need to move in many cases.  Gateshead stood off him and gave him plenty of space, so what should he do?  Run into a marked area?

Exactly. He was already in a good position in a lot of space. Why would you give that up?  Anyone contradicting his decision to hold his ground in acres of space has never played football at a semi decent level.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on January 04, 2015, 01:52:22 PM
Trust the albion fans to try and find a negative out of something good, support has changed so much over the last 10 years
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 04, 2015, 01:55:50 PM
In all the years of watching football I've never seen a forward stand absolutely stationary as an attack is building up.The only thing he seems good at is striking the ball,possibly with both feet.Where is there any term play

I watched Kevin Philips do it on more than one occasion. It's called talent and can't be taught ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on January 04, 2015, 02:07:33 PM
I watched Kevin Philips do it on more than one occasion. It's called talent and can't be taught ::)

Too true.....you'll find many of the most natural goal-scorers have similar characteristics. Sometimes standing still while everyone else is scrambling about has an even better effect - of course there are those that do it well, and those who are just lazy!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mrmojorisin on January 04, 2015, 02:11:32 PM
I notice Anichebe didn't celebrate his goal, I wonder if that means he's off to Liverpool for £25m? Absolute garbage non story!

I was getting quite hopeful until I read your last four words!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jonah on January 04, 2015, 02:22:41 PM
I watched Kevin Philips do it on more than one occasion. It's called talent and can't be taught ::)

Agreed. Berahino is a natural finisher and has that intuitive ability to find space in the box. He is only going to get better. We must keep him at least until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: philwba1 on January 04, 2015, 02:32:32 PM
Dwight Gayle just scored his first goal in ages. No celebration, must be out of respect for the non league teams.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ihsaan on January 04, 2015, 03:09:19 PM
In all the years of watching football I've never seen a forward stand absolutely stationary as an attack is building up.The only thing he seems good at is striking the ball,possibly with both feet.Where is there any term play

Watch Messi play and how often he'll stand still in the box while there is movement around him before dispatching the ball when it drops his way. In fact, Saido's 3rd goal was not dissimilar to the sort of goal Messi would score where he starts the move, makes his way into space and finishes the chance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on January 04, 2015, 04:29:59 PM
Watch Messi play and how often he'll stand still in the box while there is movement around him before dispatching the ball when it drops his way. In fact, Saido's 3rd goal was not dissimilar to the sort of goal Messi would score where he starts the move, makes his way into space and finishes the chance.
are you seriously comparing berahino to messi?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 04, 2015, 04:39:04 PM
are you seriously comparing berahino to messi?
yes in what he does and in reply to Palmaroy's comment that says that he'd "never seen a player stand still in an attacking play" like it's a negative thing, when it's actually pretty common among good strikers.

He's not comparing the actual players...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 04, 2015, 04:50:53 PM
btw, if we are going to sell Berahino, why make him cup tied ?
id suggest that the F.A cup would be quite low in the consideration of a top 7 team looking to spend 20-25m on a player ?
if messi was avaliable and said i aint playing in cup games would it put people off??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggy74 on January 04, 2015, 05:31:48 PM
I sometimes I despair of our fans a young lad who has come through the system scores 4 quality goals in a comfortable win and all they do is complain that he didn't celebrate enough !

Why not enjoy a prestigious talent whilst we have him ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on January 04, 2015, 05:35:32 PM
Don't dare sell your only goal scorer

Agreed.

He may be high maintenance but we can address the issue in the summer.  Would be suicidal to do it now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbako on January 04, 2015, 06:28:34 PM
Dwight Gayle just scored his first goal in ages. No celebration, must be out of respect for the non league teams.

Surely if they are not celebrating it's the complete opposite? They feel non-league teams don't warrant celebrations...quite disrespectful if you ask me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ihsaan on January 04, 2015, 06:43:46 PM
are you seriously comparing berahino to messi?

Yes, purely in terms of their movement in this instance.

Saido's case is an odd one. We have someone who fled a war torn country to arrive in the UK, has been in the academy for 10 years, scored a hattrick on full debut and his first league goal to win at Old Trafford. He's gone on to score goals at a rate that no player we've owned has in the top flight for years, let alone any player that we've developed. All this in the climate where football is focused on instant success, there are very few opportunities for young players and we haven't developed anybody else of note. By all the above he should be a hero, yet the fans have never really warmed to him. Although every player has his price I'd be very sad to see a player of his ability go, partly just for what he represents for the academy. I don't think the West Ham fans cared about his attitude when he took his goal so cooly last week, and I bet Gateshead were more concerned by his ability to curl the ball in repeatedly than his lack of celebration.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 04, 2015, 06:55:01 PM
If I was him, I would have second thoughts about leaving anyway.
How many have left us, and have gone onto better things.
Not many, and definitely not many in the last few seasons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on January 04, 2015, 07:07:45 PM
Surely if they are not celebrating it's the complete opposite? They feel non-league teams don't warrant celebrations...quite disrespectful if you ask me.
Yes I'd agree  - pretty pointless in my book....at least smile and shake a few hands.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 04, 2015, 07:42:51 PM
Yes I'd agree  - pretty pointless in my book....at least smile and shake a few hands.

He shook hands with his teammates after every goal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on January 04, 2015, 08:31:42 PM
Without wishing to be disrespectful about his (or anybody elses) religious beliefs, he wouldn't be the first to think he had been specially chosen to be on a "mission from God".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on January 04, 2015, 08:37:12 PM
Without wishing to be disrespectful about his (or anybody elses) religious beliefs, he wouldn't be the first to think he had been specially chosen to be on a "mission from God".

Blues brothers?   ;D

The only thing that is strange about all this is the contract talks being suspended, but that could be his agent trying to push the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on January 04, 2015, 08:39:42 PM
Has anyone ever seen Sessegnon smile?

I certainly haven't.

Where's he off to, the sneaky little wotsit. ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on January 04, 2015, 10:29:58 PM
He shook hands with his teammates after every goal.
Yeah he did.I'm not trying to criticise Saido, I just agree that if this is part of a general trend of not celebrating when you score against non league opposition then it's more demeaning to the opposition rather than respectful. For 90 minutes it's 11 against 11 and status and reputations shouldn't come into it...be respectful after the game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 04, 2015, 11:16:03 PM
Has anyone ever seen Sessegnon smile?

I certainly haven't.

Where's he off to, the sneaky little wotsit. ;)

Sess has never smiled. It is said however that he once sneered.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 04, 2015, 11:18:43 PM
Dwight Gayle just scored his first goal in ages. No celebration, must be out of respect for the non league teams.

I think it shows disrepect. Shows that we are taking them for granted and we are just doing what is expected.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: palmaroy on January 04, 2015, 11:25:42 PM
I think it shows disrepect. Shows that we are taking them for granted and we are just doing what is expected.
i think it shows that they think they are some form of superior human beings.we all critics ice Morrisson but want it nice to see him show he  enjoyed scoring.So much more respectful for everybody
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on January 04, 2015, 11:42:58 PM
Dwight Gayle cupped his hand to his ear to the Dover fans today...least Saido didn't do that!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on January 05, 2015, 01:21:01 AM
I think it shows disrepect. Shows that we are taking them for granted and we are just doing what is expected.

I happen to agree, in the modern era the times players don't celebrate after scoring are usually training matches and against former teams.

If he played against me I would want to see the goal meant something. Not critising SB because I don't know his intentions but felt abit like a training match celebration.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 05, 2015, 03:09:46 AM
What's Vic's excuse? he did exactly the same.

His lips were injured.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 05, 2015, 06:39:15 AM
I notice Anichebe didn't celebrate his goal, I wonder if that means he's off to Liverpool for £25m? Absolute garbage non story!

If only  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 05, 2015, 06:44:26 AM
If I was him, I would have second thoughts about leaving anyway.
How many have left us, and have gone onto better things.
Not many, and definitely not many in the last few seasons.

Most modern day footballers move clubs for more money, that's their interpretation of 'better things'
The PIG one example, went to Man U to keep the bench warm, lost his chance of playing as an international goal keeper but no doubt had a healthy bank balance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on January 05, 2015, 07:06:52 AM
Interesting article today with quotes from Berahino.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/550217/West-Brom-Tony-Pulis-best-out-of-Saido-Berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on January 05, 2015, 07:10:27 AM
Interesting article today with quotes from Berahino.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/550217/West-Brom-Tony-Pulis-best-out-of-Saido-Berahino

Just been reading the same article. The lad is a real puzzle to me. Taken at face value his comments seem a mixture of reasonable good sense and sulky teenager.

He has surprised me this season by developing as a player to a level beyond that which I thought he could achieve. Maybe under Pulis he will develop as an adult too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 05, 2015, 08:27:32 AM
Whether or not he does stay or go, you cant deny the lad knows how to finish.

With the right manager and guidance he can go on to become a very good player, but also, the wrong move or wrong manager, and this could be the best season he has.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on January 05, 2015, 09:27:51 AM
Berahino revealed his non-celebration after his goals at the weekend were not out of respect to the non-league opposition.
 
“I was just handling business and acting professionally and that’s it,” he said.
 
“There’s no need for me to explain myself on not celebrating goals. It is what it is.
 
“I just didn’t want to celebrate and that was it.”

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There you have it , ''It is what it is'' . Whatever that means
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on January 05, 2015, 09:31:08 AM
Surely if they are not celebrating it's the complete opposite? They feel non-league teams don't warrant celebrations...quite disrespectful if you ask me.

Agreed! The "celebrating against small teams is disrespectful" argument makes no sense.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 05, 2015, 09:57:25 AM
Too big for his boots for me.
It will end one of two ways now, either he will shape up or he will be shipped out, no middle ground with Pulis.
Personally, I think he can be a big player for us, but with his current attitude it's hard to warm to him.
£20m+ = Cheerio
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on January 05, 2015, 10:24:07 AM
I sometimes I despair of our fans a young lad who has come through the system scores 4 quality goals in a comfortable win and all they do is complain that he didn't celebrate enough !

Why not enjoy a prestigious talent whilst we have him ?
I'm sure that some of our fans just look out for things to moan about, he didn't celebrate by running around the pitch and didn't have a smile on his face so bloody what.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Stroller on January 05, 2015, 10:36:11 AM
Berahino remains a truly great prospect. The best natural finisher since SKP (but doing it at a level higher than Kev was achieving when he was at Albion) and the greatest talent that Albion have produced since Bryan Robson.

I'd love to see him stay until the end of the season, scoring for fun and growing his reputation (= more £££s for the Baggies!) along the way. Pulis could do this for him. Everything depends on whether the two gel in the coming couple of weeks.

For what it's worth, I think he'll go.  :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on January 05, 2015, 10:37:45 AM
Really good player, good ability and a natural goalscorer which is difficult to find for clubs of our ilk.

I always have sympathy with youngsters thrust into the limelight for a number of reasons, from the expectations, to the media coverage also the differences in your personal life and how people must treat them. Growing up at 20/21 is a time full of mistakes and bad decisions for most people; it's the same for most people, in and out of the public eye.

If there had been no improvement from Saido during his time with us, I'd say ship him out. However he has improved, certainly on the pitch and I would say off the pitch it appears so, even if the progress is slow.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Stroller on January 05, 2015, 10:39:17 AM
I sometimes I despair of our fans a young lad who has come through the system scores 4 quality goals in a comfortable win and all they do is complain that he didn't celebrate enough !

Why not enjoy a prestigious talent whilst we have him ?

Agree 100%. The most exciting home-grown talent we've had for 30 years+ and all people do is moan! Bizarre!

Modern footie fans are a seriously negative bunch.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on January 05, 2015, 10:48:41 AM
Before his 4 goals against a non-league team many were doubting him, questioning his goal tally and pointing out he hans't really score many aside from penalties.

Now it's back to Berahino the world beater  :-\

For me, he has a raw talent and I think Pulis could be the man to stick an arm round him and guide him through it, see it out till the end of the season with the Albion. Hopefully he kicks on and keeps us up, then we will sell for probably £25mill
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 05, 2015, 10:49:48 AM
The more I think about the whole situation the more it confuses me.

Ask any football fan and they will tell you, seeing 'one of your own' come through the academy and make the 1st team is nice to see, just look at the impact Harry Kane is having with the spurs fans.

However for some reason, Berahino seems to split the fans 50/50 and people will moan about him just for the sake of moaning.

Some of the criticism he is getting on twitter is beyond pathetic from some of our so called fans.

I for one will enjoy watching some score goals and playing for us for as long as we have him. I couldnt care less if he did nothing for 70 minutes and then popped up with a goal to gain us points.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WestBromJim on January 05, 2015, 10:55:27 AM
I just think he was acting cool,,, arrogant (in a good way), this is what I do, many more to come.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 05, 2015, 10:59:56 AM
he's a very complicated person by the sounds of it. the type of player that needs more man managing than most footballers.

reading that article says he was unhappy and didn't agree with being dropped by Irvine, nothing about knowing why he was dropped.

sounds like he's becoming a bit of trouble and will be even more so as the money gets more for him.

he'll leave us at some point I don't think it'll be this window but the summer possibly
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 05, 2015, 11:13:14 AM
suspect there is an element of "I'm not celebrating with the idiots who slag me off"

The lad lives in a bubble and what he see's or his "possee" see on twatter, instagram etc is what he percieves to be "reality".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on January 05, 2015, 11:20:14 AM
Whether or not he does stay or go, you cant deny the lad knows how to finish.

With the right manager and guidance he can go on to become a very good player, but also, the wrong move or wrong manager, and this could be the best season he has.


The lads future is in his own hands all he has to do is tell TP & JP he wants to play for us or if the right calibre of club comes in for him at a price that suits the club i wish to move.

SB is a talented lad with a very bright future all he needs now is time to grow on & off the pitch.
It's all down to you SB
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 05, 2015, 11:24:08 AM
Without wishing to be disrespectful about his (or anybody elses) religious beliefs, he wouldn't be the first to think he had been specially chosen to be on a "mission from God".

he should have told the old bill he was on a mission from god when he got pulled on the M6
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on January 05, 2015, 11:31:15 AM
The more I think about the whole situation the more it confuses me.

Ask any football fan and they will tell you, seeing 'one of your own' come through the academy and make the 1st team is nice to see, just look at the impact Harry Kane is having with the spurs fans.

However for some reason, Berahino seems to split the fans 50/50 and people will moan about him just for the sake of moaning.

Some of the criticism he is getting on twitter is beyond pathetic from some of our so called fans.

I for one will enjoy watching some score goals and playing for us for as long as we have him. I couldnt care less if he did nothing for 70 minutes and then popped up with a goal to gain us points.

Perhaps we should sing it, make him feel wanted  :-*

''He's one of our own, he's of one of our ownnnnnn
 Berahino, he's one of our own! ''
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on January 05, 2015, 11:32:08 AM
he should have told the old bill he was on a mission from god when he got pulled on the M6
At least it didn't involve a car chase around the drive-in movie or shopping mall !!  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 05, 2015, 11:34:53 AM
The more I think about the whole situation the more it confuses me.

Ask any football fan and they will tell you, seeing 'one of your own' come through the academy and make the 1st team is nice to see, just look at the impact Harry Kane is having with the spurs fans.

However for some reason, Berahino seems to split the fans 50/50 and people will moan about him just for the sake of moaning.

Some of the criticism he is getting on twitter is beyond pathetic from some of our so called fans.

I for one will enjoy watching some score goals and playing for us for as long as we have him. I couldnt care less if he did nothing for 70 minutes and then popped up with a goal to gain us points.

I don't see Berahino as 'one of our own'. It doesn't feel the same as the Chambers twins, Oliver or even Lee Hughes.

I think his behaviour and attitude alienates people, certainly me anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on January 05, 2015, 11:36:46 AM
he's a very complicated person by the sounds of it. the type of player that needs more man managing than most footballers.

reading that article says he was unhappy and didn't agree with being dropped by Irvine, nothing about knowing why he was dropped.

sounds like he's becoming a bit of trouble and will be even more so as the money gets more for him.

he'll leave us at some point I don't think it'll be this window but the summer possibly

Money no doubt has contributed to his perceived attitude but he was a bit problematic before he started earning big money. It's unfortunate that he is not more humble after getting refugee status and the time and effort that the club has employed to nurture him these past 10 years into the player he is today. Perhaps Pulis, like Ferguson with Rooney, can guide him in the right way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 05, 2015, 11:51:33 AM
I don't see Berahino as 'one of our own'. It doesn't feel the same as the Chambers twins, Oliver or even Lee Hughes.

I think his behaviour and attitude alienates people, certainly me anyway.

Yeah, but its youz got the problem bruv, innit !!  Nahmean
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 05, 2015, 11:53:02 AM
Yeah, but its youz got the problem bruv, innit !!  Nahmean

Yeah bled, skillz.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hunsletbaggie on January 05, 2015, 12:26:48 PM
If we can get 25m for this kid then I think we'd be foolish to turn it down.We will have more chance of stopping up giving the money to pulis and let him bring in the people he wants than leaving it up to Saido to keep us up.
 I know scoring goals breeds confidence and hopefully if he stays he will kick on and get back to his early season form but just as good as his finishing was on sat against a conference side it was as poor against Man City on boxing day.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 05, 2015, 12:31:44 PM
My only problem with this is, if we do not sell him, then its likely hes going to end up walking away for nothing and let his contract run out.

So if we arent going to offer a contract, or hes not willing to sign one, then its either cash in and make 20million+, or risk losing for nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on January 05, 2015, 12:34:42 PM
I think the club are worried about another potential Odemwingie situation.

Given Berahino was around (all be it in the youth set up) when Odemwingie went off one, I suspect he knows he has the power.

Hopefully, the way he goes about it (should he want to move) is a little more proffessional than Odemwingie.

Hopefully his mom will keep him grounded as I'm sure his agent has been whispering in his ear about the potential money he could make on a big move.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 05, 2015, 12:43:40 PM
Some players are unfortunately just more trouble than they are worth. There is no doubting his raw talent and ability and will be an obvious loss if we do move him on. That said, we need to look at the bigger picture. Is is really worth hanging onto somebody who could end up being a major disruptive influence on the rest of the squad? The price on that damage could be far more significant that Berahino's potential worth to the club. Even more so being as we could get a large fee for him. I always remember Tranmere manager John Aldridge's words on Jason Koumas. He said something along the lines of Koumas being the best player coming through of his generation but will never make it at the top level because of his attitude. Wise words.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 05, 2015, 12:48:32 PM
Some players are unfortunately just more trouble than they are worth. There is no doubting his raw talent and ability and will be an obvious loss if we do move him on. That said, we need to look at the bigger picture. Is is really worth hanging onto somebody who could end up being a major disruptive influence on the rest of the squad? The price on that damage could be far more significant that Berahino's potential worth to the club. Even more so being as we could get a large fee for him. I always remember Tranmere manager John Aldridge's words on Jason Koumas. He said something along the lines of Koumas being the best player coming through of his generation but will never make it at the top level because of his attitude. Wise words.


 I don't mind a bit of arrogance just so long as he is performing consistently.  The lad has had a lot to deal with, some self inflicted, what certainly doesn't help him (and therefore us) is being abused on public media.

I think everyone on here should go on his twitter account and voice our support of the lad, don't let the cretins drive him away.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 05, 2015, 01:16:47 PM
He'll be driven out like Odemwingie was. People don't realise what they have until it's gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 05, 2015, 01:37:04 PM

 I don't mind a bit of arrogance just so long as he is performing consistently.  The lad has had a lot to deal with, some self inflicted, what certainly doesn't help him (and therefore us) is being abused on public media.

I think everyone on here should go on his twitter account and voice our support of the lad, don't let the cretins drive him away.

Well said.  This is an extraordinary chap who has lived an extraordinary life and is dealing with it all a lot better than some might. I really hope he finds the support and guidance he  needs - if not here then somewhere where he is appreciated.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on January 05, 2015, 01:38:42 PM

 I don't mind a bit of arrogance just so long as he is performing consistently.  The lad has had a lot to deal with, some self inflicted, what certainly doesn't help him (and therefore us) is being abused on public media.

I think everyone on here should go on his twitter account and voice our support of the lad, don't let the cretins drive him away.

I agree, everyone moans we never produce any of our own talent and when we do he is treated like s**t.

I'm not even aware of where this 'attitude' problem theory has come from, he had a bust up in the dressing room which I'd say 90% of players have in their career except unfortunatley his got out in public which should never of happened. Then obviously the speeding is just plain stupid but again I'd hazard a guess lots of people on here have either been caught speeding or drove above the limit, if there is drink involved then that is a lot worse but I have my doubts about that as he would have already been charged and I haven't read anywhere that he has.

Most kids/young adults would be a little arrogant if they were banging goals in in the Premiership its probably that confidence that got him where he is.

Lay off the lad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on January 05, 2015, 01:39:43 PM
Anyone see our Twitter respond to the BBC twitter re: Berahino? Very funny
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 05, 2015, 01:42:39 PM
Yeah.
£23, we'll get back to you.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2897264/West-Brom-s-social-media-team-enjoys-Saido-Berahino-Twitter-banter.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2897264/West-Brom-s-social-media-team-enjoys-Saido-Berahino-Twitter-banter.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 05, 2015, 02:11:22 PM
Didn't JP say that all the players wages are incentive driven, (win bonuses etc). Can't see that a bloke who scores goals would be very disruptive. I'd put up with a pain in the backside if he was helping me to get my bonus, & have done in my own workplace in the past.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 05, 2015, 02:48:57 PM
I'd put up with a pain in the backside if he was helping me to get my bonus, & have done in my own workplace in the past.

Some people will do anything for a pay rise.
Ooer.
 ;D.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 05, 2015, 03:00:34 PM
so did the match ball have £23M or £23 ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 05, 2015, 03:17:26 PM
I agree, everyone moans we never produce any of our own talent and when we do he is treated like s**t.

I'm not even aware of where this 'attitude' problem theory has come from, he had a bust up in the dressing room which I'd say 90% of players have in their career except unfortunatley his got out in public which should never of happened. Then obviously the speeding is just plain stupid but again I'd hazard a guess lots of people on here have either been caught speeding or drove above the limit, if there is drink involved then that is a lot worse but I have my doubts about that as he would have already been charged and I haven't read anywhere that he has.

Most kids/young adults would be a little arrogant if they were banging goals in in the Premiership its probably that confidence that got him where he is.

Lay off the lad.
Don't think he has been treated like Sh!t for one second.
We have supported him through his Hippy Crack shame, all of his Twitter outbursts and his DD allegations all of which came on top of a substantial pay rise.
I have never heard the crowd get on his back so not sure what this relates to.
If it is this forum, then I think he has been very well treated on here considering some of his antics.
Some may think it a good idea to cash in on him, but don't think selling him for £20m would equate to being treated like sh!t either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 05, 2015, 03:30:22 PM
Don't think he has been treated like Sh!t for one second.
We have supported him through his Hippy Crack shame, all of his Twitter outbursts and his DD allegations all of which came on top of a substantial pay rise.
I have never heard the crowd get on his back so not sure what this relates to.
If it is this forum, then I think he has been very well treated on here considering some of his antics.
Some may think it a good idea to cash in on him, but don't think selling him for £20m would equate to being treated like sh!t either.

People are talking about him having a bad attitude and this being the reason why fans are not warming to him. But then some of us wish to cash in on him. Is he a commodity?  If so then when he behaves professionally rather than emotionally when he scores it makes perfect sense to me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 05, 2015, 03:41:10 PM
People are talking about him having a bad attitude and this being the reason why fans are not warming to him. But then some of us wish to cash in on him. Is he a commodity?  If so then when he behaves professionally rather than emotionally when he scores it makes perfect sense to me.
Why is it professional not to celebrate?
He certainly celebrated his 1st hatrick for us, I remember it well, maybe more than he does.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 05, 2015, 03:59:15 PM
All i have heard on the radio today is about him not celebrating his goals and he clearly wants away blah blah.
If saido is not careful his attitude will only deter his desires
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 05, 2015, 04:03:52 PM
All i have heard on the radio today is about him not celebrating his goals and he clearly wants away blah blah.
If saido is not careful his attitude will only deter his desires

I do believe its the only reason one of the top clubs hasn't made a move for him already, with a record like his at his age the big clubs would normally be banging on the door trying to get him but so far we are told there hasn't been a single enquiry. The top clubs really do their homework on players so they will know all about his issues, its only those with exceptional potential that clubs are more likely to take a risk on and I don't think Saido is in that category.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 05, 2015, 04:23:21 PM
he's scored 5 goals in a week FFS.

everyone needs to calm down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 05, 2015, 04:25:51 PM
he's scored 5 goals in a week FFS.

everyone needs to calm down.

Four against non league opposition.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 05, 2015, 04:50:57 PM
Four against non league opposition.

and? FA Cup 3rd Round not FA Vase.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on January 05, 2015, 05:03:29 PM
Although it was against Gateshead the goals he scored were great finishes and it will do him the world of good scoring four goals. Let's hope Pulis and his staff can improve him even more and get the best out of him while he keeps his feet on the ground.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 05, 2015, 05:05:19 PM
Although it was against Gateshead the goals he scored were great finishes and it will do him the world of good scoring four goals. Let's hope Pulis and his staff can improve him even more and get the best out of him while he keeps his feet on the ground.

Hope they don't coach a forward to keep his feet on the ground, he's only short ya know  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 05, 2015, 05:17:02 PM
I hope someone is be talking to Saido about how Ravel Morrisons career is "un-ravelling" (sorry).
Apparently WHU FC are letting him go, the kid is on a downward spiral.

The pattern reminds of Jermain Beckford , such a talent, he could have had the world at his feet but,.....now loaned out from blackburn to preston !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on January 05, 2015, 06:20:01 PM
He'll be driven out like Odemwingie was. People don't realise what they have until it's gone.

"He'll be driven out like Odemwingie"  He drove himself out by getting on the wrong side of the very people who had surported him from DAY 1
Saido take note
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on January 05, 2015, 06:34:51 PM
One year before the odemwingie affair he wanted out . We gave him a rise . Sums him up perfectly .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hunsletbaggie on January 05, 2015, 06:58:17 PM
I agree, everyone moans we never produce any of our own talent and when we do he is treated like s**t.

I'm not even aware of where this 'attitude' problem theory has come from, he had a bust up in the dressing room which I'd say 90% of players have in their career except unfortunatley his got out in public which should never of happened. Then obviously the speeding is just plain stupid but again I'd hazard a guess lots of people on here have either been caught speeding or drove above the limit, if there is drink involved then that is a lot worse but I have my doubts about that as he would have already been charged and I haven't read anywhere that he has.

Most kids/young adults would be a little arrogant if they were banging goals in in the Premiership its probably that confidence that got him where he is.

Lay off the lad.
A lad who  works in our London office who is a Brentford fan told me when he was on loan at Brentford the players hated his arrogance and he use to say things like I'm a premiership player and I shouldn't be playing here it was common knowledge at the time and all the Brentford players thought he was a bell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 05, 2015, 08:19:15 PM
Sky saying we'll let him go for £20m.
Sounds like they inviting offers so either want shot or need cash.
Only good business if we can replace his goals, even if he is a bell!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 05, 2015, 08:38:59 PM
Sky saying we'll let him go for £20m.
Sounds like they inviting offers so either want shot or need cash.
Only good business if we can replace his goals, even if he is a bell!
Sky or his agent through Sky  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 05, 2015, 08:41:47 PM
Why is it professional not to celebrate?
He certainly celebrated his 1st hatrick for us, I remember it well, maybe more than he does.

I doubt it very much. I don't know about you but I prefer to celebrate in an environment where I know I am appreciated for who I am. Either he is an object of value to cash in whenever suitable or he is a part of the club. Who should he show his emotions to? He is paid to score goals and he does his job and I am sure that brings him a lot of satisfaction. Making you personally happy is not in his contact. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 05, 2015, 08:52:41 PM
I doubt it very much. I don't know about you but I prefer to celebrate in an environment where I know I am appreciated for who I am. Either he is an object of value to cash in whenever suitable or he is a part of the club. Who should he show his emotions to? He is paid to score goals and he does his job and I am sure that brings him a lot of satisfaction. Making you personally happy is not in his contact.

seems quite an astute appraisal of how his mind might be working. Do you know Saido by any chance?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 05, 2015, 08:52:54 PM
Sky saying we'll let him go for £20m.
Sounds like they inviting offers so either want shot or need cash.
Only good business if we can replace his goals, even if he is a bell!

More a case I think of if he's going to go then let's get it done and dusted quickly so that we've got time to replace him

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 05, 2015, 08:53:07 PM
I doubt it very much. I don't know about you but I prefer to celebrate in an environment where I know I am appreciated for who I am. Either he is an object of value to cash in whenever suitable or he is a part of the club. Who should he show his emotions to? He is paid to score goals and he does his job and I am sure that brings him a lot of satisfaction. Making you personally happy is not in his contact.
Priceless.
If players are no longer in the job of making fans happy, then it really is no longer our game.
He has been part of this club since he was 10 and has been supported throughout, so no he is not a cash cow in my eyes.
He is aggrieved that his contract talks have broken down so it is him making it about money not the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on January 05, 2015, 08:57:50 PM
He's certainly not a Jeff Astle or Tony Brown, to name but a few, in many, many, many ways
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 05, 2015, 09:06:48 PM
I agree, everyone moans we never produce any of our own talent and when we do he is treated like s**t.

I'm not even aware of where this 'attitude' problem theory has come from, he had a bust up in the dressing room which I'd say 90% of players have in their career except unfortunatley his got out in public which should never of happened. Then obviously the speeding is just plain stupid but again I'd hazard a guess lots of people on here have either been caught speeding or drove above the limit, if there is drink involved then that is a lot worse but I have my doubts about that as he would have already been charged and I haven't read anywhere that he has.

Most kids/young adults would be a little arrogant if they were banging goals in in the Premiership its probably that confidence that got him where he is.

Lay off the lad.

Bit of a head in the sand moment old chap.
He's treated poorly because of the shenanigans he gets up to away from the club, and the daft things he posts on twitter and face book, he thinks he's made it already. He hasn't.
He was on loan at Brantford and Northampton, sent back from both clubs due to attitude are they wrong as well?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on January 05, 2015, 09:11:29 PM
Situations like this end in tears . Take the 25 million if it comes add another 10 off our generous chairman swap ideye for fletcher another decent striker and 2 good midfielders . Hey I might be the next head coach .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 05, 2015, 09:12:11 PM
Bit of a head in the sand moment old chap.
He's treated poorly because of the shenanigans he gets up to away from the club, and the daft things he posts on twitter and face book, he thinks he's made it already. He hasn't.
He was on loan at Brantford and Northampton, sent back from both clubs due to attitude are they wrong as well?

He wasn't sent back from Northampton but hey ho. He can put anything he wants on twitter as long as he doesn't abuse the club surely? And sorry to say, he has made it. He's a regular Premier League goalscorer and is in and around the England squad.

It is a crying shame Albion fans refuse to embrace quality when we see it, over a quiet, hardworking yet talentless player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 05, 2015, 09:12:46 PM
Bit of a head in the sand moment old chap.
He's treated poorly because of the shenanigans he gets up to away from the club, and the daft things he posts on twitter and face book, he thinks he's made it already. He hasn't.
He was on loan at Brantford and Northampton, sent back from both clubs due to attitude are they wrong as well?

Exactly right, like I said in a previous post on this thread, some players are more trouble than they are worth. If Pulis thinks along the same lines and feels there is a danger of disruption to the squad and club as a whole, he should be moved on regardless of how good he is. No one individual is bigger than the club. We cant be in a position of having an immature 21 year old kid calling the shots and sulking when someone says something that he doesn't like.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 05, 2015, 09:24:39 PM
It's a very long time since I was 21, but if I'd got the national press and fans dissecting my every gesture after scoring a goal, I'm not sure I could hack it.
If this drink/drive accusation proves to be founded, then the lad's a fool to himself, & deserves everything he gets, until that's proved, he's one of us & should be supported.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 05, 2015, 09:37:53 PM
seems quite an astute appraisal of how his mind might be working. Do you know Saido by any chance?

No  :) but I am aware that talent comes at a price. I'm not advocating that we should be in the business of developing prima donnas just understanding that this youngster has a lot on his plate and needs support.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 05, 2015, 09:43:23 PM
He wasn't sent back from Northampton but hey ho. He can put anything he wants on twitter as long as he doesn't abuse the club surely? And sorry to say, he has made it. He's a regular Premier League goalscorer and is in and around the England squad.

It is a crying shame Albion fans refuse to embrace quality when we see it, over a quiet, hardworking yet talentless player.

Totally agree. Odemwingie used to get some unjust stick too. I bet the majority of our fans would rather see a Sean Flynn type than players with quality but a few flaws.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aztech on January 05, 2015, 09:44:33 PM
Totally agree. Odemwingie used to get some unjust stick too. I bet the majority of our fans would rather see a Sean Flynn type than players with quality but a few flaws.

Borja Valero!  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 05, 2015, 09:47:57 PM
Priceless.
If players are no longer in the job of making fans happy, then it really is no longer our game.
He has been part of this club since he was 10 and has been supported throughout, so no he is not a cash cow in my eyes.
He is aggrieved that his contract talks have broken down so it is him making it about money not the club.

I guess you know more about what goes on behind the scenes than me. I just see someone trying to make sense of a mercenary world where not only are you expected to do your job but also fein loyalty and play the crowd like a seasoned thespian. Some ask - I know I'm not up to it...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 05, 2015, 09:49:01 PM
Borja Valero!  ;D

I'll give you that one. :D Some players just don't work over here. He was one of them. Too cold for him I think!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on January 05, 2015, 09:54:10 PM
He wasn't sent back from Northampton but hey ho. He can put anything he wants on twitter as long as he doesn't abuse the club surely? And sorry to say, he has made it. He's a regular Premier League goalscorer and is in and around the England squad.

It is a crying shame Albion fans refuse to embrace quality when we see it, over a quiet, hardworking yet talentless player.

Agree mate, it seems lately that anything half decent at the club a lot of our fans try to create a negative out of it. Since our three mid table finishes the mindset of some fans has weirdly changed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 05, 2015, 09:54:26 PM
It's a very long time since I was 21, but if I'd got the national press and fans dissecting my every gesture after scoring a goal, I'm not sure I could hack it.
If this drink/drive accusation proves to be founded, then the lad's a fool to himself, & deserves everything he gets, until that's proved, he's one of us & should be supported.

I totally agree he needs supporting and man managing. While he is an Albion player, we should all be behind him and supportive of him. As I mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, Berahino seems to be the type of character who needs a constant arm around the shoulder and man managing. He has obviously had issues in his life that I couldn't even begin to imagine. This is where Pulis could come into his own. Berahino is a perfect example of someone who will benefit from working with more of a MANAGER rather than a head coach. I hope TP can get to the bottom of any potential problems that may or may not be brewing. TP has already said that if Berahino has got any issues, he wouldn't be the first footballer to have them. I believe TP is confident he can get to the bottom of it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 05, 2015, 09:54:48 PM
I guess you know more about what goes on behind the scenes than me. I just see someone trying to make sense of a mercenary world where not only are you expected to do your job but also fein loyalty and play the crowd like a seasoned thespian. Some ask - I know I'm not up to it...

He will have advisors & agents who have a vested interest in SAido generating transfer fees whispering in his ear constantly. they will use any ammunition they can find and Baggies fans "dissing" the lad is free fuel for them.
We the fans should be more savvy and make him feel "loved"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on January 05, 2015, 09:59:52 PM
Berahino has been through more than most of us will ever go through and for him to be scoring goals and in the england squad after going through everything says more about his attitude than anything else in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on January 05, 2015, 10:03:30 PM
he is the best natural goal scorer since super kev,with decent service and more starts he would have had more goals,and us more points,against Gateshead in the first half when they were on top,he constantly worked there back line,big vic hardly moved,considering we paid 16mil for big vic and edeye brown,20m for berahino is a steal ,so he did not celebrate much,neither did we in the stands as it was against Gateshead,also 10,000 couldn't even be bothered to turn up anyway as it was against Gateshead,the time to worry is if he scores against hull on Saturday and doesn't celebrate
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: socalbaggie on January 05, 2015, 11:08:36 PM
I'm shocked at how sensitive some fan are when it comes to players personalities and actions. When you see fans getting upset about goal celebrations or lack there of against a side like Gateshead I can't help but see how picky and fickle some fans have become because after the money we dished out on the last two "strikers" we bought and seeing the results of those purchases I just don't see how anyone can logically conclude were better off selling Saido. Saido for me at least has not done anything that makes me think we should sell him and are better off without him in the locker room or better yet the pitch. Yea the kid and that is what he is a kid has done and said some stupid things who didn't at that age it's just no one took notice because were not footballers. It's not as if he has handed in transfer requests or threatened to sit out unless certain demands are met like starting every game or playing him out of position and I haven't seen him drive up to another clubs grounds to have talks. Saido has come through our youth system and has turned out to be a good striker who can find the back of the net, better than any other striker we currently have by far!! Why sell him and bring in another Brown for instance? We got someone we know can score goals!! The old regime where I'm sure he felt he could get away with more is gone now so with TP and company coming in I think this will only help him. Why get rid of someone you know can do the job you need him to do? He is too valuable to us right now to be selling off for in my view petty reasons. As so many of us have said spending money on a player doesn't guarantee certain performances.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: howard62baby on January 05, 2015, 11:25:58 PM
Well put, he didn't do a flick flack Arab spring with a triple pike spotting with a backwards moon walk whilst machine gunning the crowd ending with a salute.he did what he's paid to do putting the ball into the net simples.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on January 05, 2015, 11:58:32 PM
I'm caught in two minds. It seems odd that you wouldn't at least smile. I mean, yes it's your job but surely there should be some sort of emotion?

The frustrating thing is that he is so close to becoming a modern day hero. Academy graduate, local lad (Post-Burundi!), goal-scorer...everything that could make him great at this club. He could move on to bigger things, and I don't think many fans would begrudge that if we as a club continue to stagnate in the lower realms of the Premier League. But it just seems like the effort is there to be likeable. And that seems strange. Surely everyone wants to be liked?

Football fans can be fickle but we can also be blind to imperfections. A little effort from Saido would go a long way to repairing any damage that has been done. Maybe a smile, a clap to the fans every now and then? Nothing much, but just to show that he cares...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 06, 2015, 12:21:15 AM
I'm caught in two minds. It seems odd that you wouldn't at least smile. I mean, yes it's your job but surely there should be some sort of emotion?

The frustrating thing is that he is so close to becoming a modern day hero. Academy graduate, local lad (Post-Burundi!), goal-scorer...everything that could make him great at this club. He could move on to bigger things, and I don't think many fans would begrudge that if we as a club continue to stagnate in the lower realms of the Premier League. But it just seems like the effort is there to be likeable. And that seems strange. Surely everyone wants to be liked?

Football fans can be fickle but we can also be blind to imperfections. A little effort from Saido would go a long way to repairing any damage that has been done. Maybe a smile, a clap to the fans every now and then? Nothing much, but just to show that he cares...

Too right, run a round... A LOT, constantly miscontrol the ball, lose possession, not be in the slightest bit clinical in front of goal. BUT, clap the fans every chance you get. "How to make friends at the Hawthorns - Shane Long circa 2011-13"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: socalbaggie on January 06, 2015, 02:41:31 AM
Too right, run a round... A LOT, constantly miscontrol the ball, lose possession, not be in the slightest bit clinical in front of goal. BUT, clap the fans every chance you get. "How to make friends at the Hawthorns - Shane Long circa 2011-13"
I love this post! To funny, very well said!  :D 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 06, 2015, 06:18:29 AM
Too right, run a round... A LOT, constantly miscontrol the ball, lose possession, not be in the slightest bit clinical in front of goal. BUT, clap the fans every chance you get. "How to make friends at the Hawthorns - Shane Long circa 2011-13"
Blimey Jacko, I thought you were having a go at your mate Brunt for a moment there. Have to say I thought he was the pick of our midfield on Saturday, but perhaps he's found his level. Loved it when he showed his angst against the guy who flattened Claudio, he almost made a tackle !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 06, 2015, 06:36:23 AM
He wasn't sent back from Northampton but hey ho. He can put anything he wants on twitter as long as he doesn't abuse the club surely? And sorry to say, he has made it. He's a regular Premier League goalscorer and is in and around the England squad.

It is a crying shame Albion fans refuse to embrace quality when we see it, over a quiet, hardworking yet talentless player.

So he's made it on the back of one average season?
I'd like to think that Albion fans do embrace quality but also like to se a tinge of humility mixed in there as well.
I dont think anybody doubts that this lad has talent but his attitude and disdain for his fellow being personally I find distasteful.
According to reports in one paper today he's turned up late three times this season on match days. That's probably why he's been benched for so long lately.
Add this to his pending court case and I think it shows overall he has little respect for authority and thinks he's above the rules that apply to other people.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on January 06, 2015, 08:19:16 AM
He has shown this season that he does have talent, but if the stories you mention are true, coupled with those stories about him being Billy big time when he was actually away with the England squad, then it does raise questions about his mentality.

Saido could go on to bigger and better things, but there is a possibility that his attitude will prevent him doing so.

I would add that I do want him to succeed. There is little doubt that at 21 he has already experienced life events beyond most of our experience, but I really do hope he doesn't reach 35 looking back on a wasted career and wondering what might have been.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 06, 2015, 08:46:04 AM
He has shown this season that he does have talent, but if the stories you mention are true, coupled with those stories about him being Billy big time when he was actually away with the England squad, then it does raise questions about his mentality.

Saido could go on to bigger and better things, but there is a possibility that his attitude will prevent him doing so.

I would add that I do want him to succeed. There is little doubt that at 21 he has already experienced life events beyond most of our experience, but I really do hope he doesn't reach 35 looking back on a wasted career and wondering what might have been.
Ian Wright has basically said this in the Sun today.
He should be having the time of his life enjoying doing something he loves, the money, the move and the England caps will come, but being labelled as moody and difficult will only hamper his chances.
Wrighty says he used to celebrate when he scored in training, which you can fully imagine him doing, bet he was a nightmare  :)
He has obviously gone on to build a great career outside of football, but says at 51 he would give anything to be 21 and scoring goals.
Hope Saido reads it and takes note of some wise words from a true legend.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ste1987 on January 06, 2015, 10:10:42 AM

I see the Daily Mail has reported that Saido has turned up late three times this season for matches.

Here's the solution - Give him Irvine's watch!  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 06, 2015, 10:42:28 AM
I see the Daily Mail has reported that Saido has turned up late three times this season for matches.

Here's the solution - Give him Irvine's watch!  :P

I said earlier that probably explains why our top scorer see's so much bench time.
He needs to learn some respect and humility in quadruple doses.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on January 06, 2015, 10:51:48 AM
All of this will stop him getting a move . They won't pay big bucks for a troublesome character . He has to change which I have doubts on . He may still be here after end of January with a bigger attitude . He needs a father figure , but hey don't we all .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on January 06, 2015, 11:01:31 AM
Aparently a court date has been set according to the twitter. But I cannot see any confirmation of it other than this:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6238858/Footballer-Saido-Berahino-will-appear-in-court-on-drink-driving-charges.html

Has anyone got a Sun account to read the full story?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 06, 2015, 11:07:55 AM
All of this will stop him getting a move . They won't pay big bucks for a troublesome character . He has to change which I have doubts on . He may still be here after end of January with a bigger attitude . He needs a father figure , but hey don't we all .

My understanding is that clubs spend a lot of time researching personality / characters and some will actually have a formal interview with prospective acquisitions. All to do with moulding a team rather than a squad of individuals.
If true as you Saido's issues (perceived or real) will limit his opportunities. That said there is always a mug like 'arry out there who will happily spend someone elses money to save his own scraggy neck.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on January 06, 2015, 11:38:36 AM
He has been with us for years , so we will know his personality /behaviour . His behaviour rhymes with his income . Big flash car loads of money equals loads of hanger ons . At the age of 21 he already has a track record of stupid antics . Hey I hope he straighten himself out . We will see .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: valleybaggie on January 06, 2015, 11:39:23 AM
really hope he knuckles down under pulis and becomes one of our best forwards ever. but also hope he dosen't turn out like koumas one of the most gifted and talented players we've had but threw it all away with his attitude and moods
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elminius on January 06, 2015, 12:31:37 PM
Confirmed drink drive charge court later this month......oooooppps!

In the daily mail freely available
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on January 06, 2015, 12:37:41 PM
Is it any wonder he has no discipline working for losers like Alan Irvine?

Tony Pulis has a track record of working with troublesome characters, some probably a lot worse than a kid who doesn't smile when he scores. I have total confidence in Pulis to get the best out of a very talented young lad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2015, 12:42:54 PM
Tis why no celebration?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies54 on January 06, 2015, 12:45:40 PM
It has come to light that he now has time keeping issues and has been late for three games including versus Man City on Boxing Day.

It will be interesting to see if he is man enough to shape up and do his job properly.  I hope he does as he is a talented player for sure.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on January 06, 2015, 12:49:26 PM
A great talent but a very troubled kid. Could become a great player or the next Koumas.

If he does go i can't see him staying at any club long.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elminius on January 06, 2015, 12:50:13 PM
Is it any wonder he has no discipline working for losers like Alan Irvine?

So all of his issues across several loan clubs and at west brom before Irivine arrived are all Irvines fault? Saido needs to look in the mirror or the bible whichever he believes in more and start growing up and yes maybe Pulis is the guiding light he needs ....... We shall see
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 06, 2015, 01:01:19 PM
Seems problems keep popping up for him doesnt it, the media not afraid to show him in bad light either.

Next few weeks could be vital for him, buck up or be gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2015, 01:05:37 PM
Tone will get him into shape and he will help keep us up. cant see anyone wanting to buy trouble at the moment
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on January 06, 2015, 01:08:18 PM
So all of his issues across several loan clubs and at west brom before Irivine arrived are all Irvines fault? Saido needs to look in the mirror or the bible whichever he believes in more and start growing up and yes maybe Pulis is the guiding light he needs ....... We shall see

It's certainly not Irvine's fault as Saido has had a few problems at other clubs as well. I'm just highlighting the fact that working under a stronger manager / head coach could benefit the lad.

On another note, I find it absolutely incredible that we have a young lad come through the academy who is a natural goalscorer at the highest level, something we've been wanting for years, and yet all people want to do is criticise him. Yes he has problems but enjoy him on the pitch while we can. Don't force another superb striker out of this club because you don't like him as a person.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 06, 2015, 01:14:01 PM
It's certainly not Irvine's fault as Saido has had a few problems at other clubs as well. I'm just highlighting the fact that working under a stronger manager / head coach could benefit the lad.

On another note, I find it absolutely incredible that we have a young lad come through the academy who is a natural goalscorer at the highest level, something we've been wanting for years, and yet all people want to do is criticise him. Yes he has problems but enjoy him on the pitch while we can. Don't force another superb striker out of this club because you don't like him as a person.

Top post. Sums up my feelings entirely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 06, 2015, 01:18:41 PM
Saido Berahino to appear in court as West Brom striker faces drink-driving charges

West Brom striker Saido Berahino is set to appear in court on charges of drink-driving.

The 21-year-old was arrested by police in October after being stopped in the early hours of one morning on the M6.

On Monday it was revealed that Berahino’s bail had been cancelled and that he will appear before magistrates later this month after being summonsed.

The England Under 21 international has been in prolific form for the Baggies this season, netting 13 times in 24 appearances for the club this season.

The forward scored four goals on Saturday as new boss Tony Pulis saw his side romp to a 7-0 home win against non-league Gateshead in the third round of the FA Cup.

Despite his goalscoring form, Berahino has occurred problems off-the-pitch at West Brom with Sportsmail revealing that the Burundi-born star has been fined by the club for reporting late on match days three times this campaign.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2898553/Saido-Berahino-appear-court-West-Brom-striker-faces-drink-driving-charges.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2898553/Saido-Berahino-appear-court-West-Brom-striker-faces-drink-driving-charges.html)

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 06, 2015, 01:19:48 PM
Someone at the club needs to set up a meeting between Saido Berahino and Lee Hughes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on January 06, 2015, 01:26:28 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-30698990

West Brom striker Saido Berahino has been charged with drink-driving.

The 21-year-old was arrested by Cheshire Police after being stopped near junction 20 of the southbound M6 in the early hours of 22 October.

He will appear before North Cheshire magistrates in Runcorn on 19 January.

The England Under-21 international has scored 13 times in 24 appearances for the Baggies this season, sparking rumours of a big-money transfer to a top Premier League club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2015, 01:32:31 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-30698990

West Brom striker Saido Berahino has been charged with drink-driving.

The 21-year-old was arrested by Cheshire Police after being stopped near junction 20 of the southbound M6 in the early hours of 22 October.

He will appear before North Cheshire magistrates in Runcorn on 19 January.

The England Under-21 international has scored 13 times in 24 appearances for the Baggies this season, sparking rumours of a big-money transfer to a top Premier League club.


Closer to his new Liverpool home
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on January 06, 2015, 01:39:12 PM
He needs to learn some respect and humility in quadruple doses.


You'd think he'd have it in droves being from where he's from and what he's been through.


Instead he probably thinks he's the second coming.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 06, 2015, 01:40:35 PM
Makes JP's decision to suspend contract talks look a great decision. Seems a bit hungrier at the moment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 06, 2015, 01:45:04 PM
It's certainly not Irvine's fault as Saido has had a few problems at other clubs as well. I'm just highlighting the fact that working under a stronger manager / head coach could benefit the lad.

On another note, I find it absolutely incredible that we have a young lad come through the academy who is a natural goalscorer at the highest level, something we've been wanting for years, and yet all people want to do is criticise him. Yes he has problems but enjoy him on the pitch while we can. Don't force another superb striker out of this club because you don't like him as a person.

From everyone of the 63 pages on Berahino on here, I cant see one single post that has criticised him. Albion fans DO NOT WANT to criticise him, some are just expressing their dismay and disappointment at his numerous examples of possible attitude problems. This is perfectly natural, it is upsetting to see a player of undoubted natural talent maybe going in the direction of throwing it all away. Every single Albion fan who has commented on here wants the best for him,for our club and for his personal demons to disappear for good. I have not heard of one single outburst against Berahino during any match. Albion fans HAVE fully supported him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on January 06, 2015, 01:49:22 PM
Well this will probably mean nobody will touch him this window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 06, 2015, 01:50:01 PM
Is it any wonder he has no discipline working for losers like Alan Irvine?

Tony Pulis has a track record of working with troublesome characters, some probably a lot worse than a kid who doesn't smile when he scores. I have total confidence in Pulis to get the best out of a very talented young lad.

Irvine worked with him for 6 months, Berahino's attitude dates much further back than that, such as when he got sent back from a loan spell at Brentford by Uwe Rosler nearly 3 years ago.  An 18 year old getting sent back from a loan spell is really poor.

Hopefully Pulis will straighten him out but this kid doesn't seem to learn from mistakes, or even think he needs to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: maccbaggie on January 06, 2015, 01:50:42 PM
What an idiot. Obviously he's only been charged at this stage and has not yet been proven guilty, but presumably that's only a matter of time. I have no respect for anyone who drink-drives and endangers other people's lives. Stupid, selfish boy.

In answer to the people who want to know why we're not all up his backside and signing his praises, this is a fairly good example of why.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on January 06, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
Makes JP's decision to suspend contract talks look a great decision. Seems a bit hungrier at the moment.

Thats a very good point. Although the driving offence will have some bearing on it, Berahinos attitude and lateness will certainly not have gone unnoticed by JP.
Why reward an arrogant and surly player who turns up late on matchdays?

It makes me even more annoyed when fans abuse Brunt and Morrison, two great clubmen and loyal servants.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Stroller on January 06, 2015, 02:11:30 PM
If Saido's in court on 19 Jan, everything will be sorted out with at least 10 days of the transfer window left... meaning that TP and Jeremy can ship him out during this transfer window and line up the necessary replacements in good time - if that is what they want to do.

Of course, if he's in jail (could get 6 months!) then they'll still have time to make alternative arrangements.

This is pure conjecture, but I'm sure the timings are significant. As I understood it, the hearing was originally slated to take place in February.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 06, 2015, 02:19:03 PM
The club needs to work with Saido to identify a suitable mentor whom Saido will respect and listen to, and to guide him how to avoid becoming the next Ravel Morrison, and how to get the best out if his career. 

Somebody like Ian Wright or Alan Shearer springs to mind.

This goes way beyond what's best for West Brom the club but if its successful then everyone wins.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on January 06, 2015, 02:21:44 PM
If Saido's in court on 19 Jan, everything will be sorted out with at least 10 days of the transfer window left... meaning that TP and Jeremy can ship him out during this transfer window and line up the necessary replacements in good time - if that is what they want to do.

Of course, if he's in jail (could get 6 months!) then they'll still have time to make alternative arrangements.

This is pure conjecture, but I'm sure the timings are significant. As I understood it, the hearing was originally slated to take place in February.

He won't go to jail if it's simply drink driving, just a driving ban and a fine...at least, that's what everyone who appears on Motorway Cops gets :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 06, 2015, 02:26:13 PM
He won't go to jail if it's simply drink driving, just a driving ban and a fine...at least, that's what everyone who appears on Motorway Cops gets :D

Not true.  Drink driving at 110 mph is a far more serious offence than just being over the limit.

A court COULD jail him, even if only for a week or two to send a clear message.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 06, 2015, 02:28:22 PM
He will more than likely be given a huge fine and a ban.

Cant see him getting jail time if im honest.

Just hope the thought of jail time might just be the wake up call the lad needs.

Seriously confuses me how someone can preach so much about faith and belief in god and humble for his opportunities, yet be so silly at the same time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 06, 2015, 02:31:33 PM
He won't go to jail if it's simply drink driving, just a driving ban and a fine...at least, that's what everyone who appears on Motorway Cops gets :D

Depends if they want to make an example of someone in the public eye. I agree, 99.9% of the time for a first drink drive offence, it would be a ban and a fine. There is the always the chance though that the courts might wish to make an example of Berahino as if to send a message out to the youngsters and impressionable people out there that this is a potentially very serious offence with grave consequences and that someone famous, in his position and who is looked up to by many should have known better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on January 06, 2015, 02:40:12 PM
Depends if they want to make an example of someone in the public eye. I agree, 99.9% of the time for a first drink drive offence, it would be a ban and a fine. There is the always the chance though that the courts might wish to make an example of Berahino as if to send a message out to the youngsters and impressionable people out there that this is a potentially very serious offence with grave consequences and that someone famous, in his position and who is looked up to by many should have known better.

In my opinion that shouldn't come into it, everyone should be treated by the justice system equally. But that's for an entirely different debate!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 06, 2015, 02:41:25 PM
Depends if they want to make an example of someone in the public eye. I agree, 99.9% of the time for a first drink drive offence, it would be a ban and a fine. There is the always the chance though that the courts might wish to make an example of Berahino as if to send a message out to the youngsters and impressionable people out there that this is a potentially very serious offence with grave consequences and that someone famous, in his position and who is looked up to by many should have known better.

Exactly - that alone should be making him think a lot more about his actions.

To be fair, the threat of jail plus all the court case publicity must also be weighing heavily on his mind and could well be the direct cause of his subsequent moody behaviour.  Any of us would feel stressed in that situation and stress affects different people in different ways.  He may be struggling to sleep, which could be a cause for being late for matches.

The sooner this is done and dusted and he can get on with his football, the better, but with the lesson well and truly learned that he risks throwing it all away.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 06, 2015, 02:42:25 PM
The club needs to work with Saido to identify a suitable mentor whom Saido will respect and listen to, and to guide him how to avoid becoming the next Ravel Morrison, and how to get the best out if his career. 

Somebody like Ian Wright or Alan Shearer springs to mind.

This goes way beyond what's best for West Brom the club but if its successful then everyone wins.

how about Big Dave Darren Moore, ok won't help him on the pitch but would probably help him a lot more off the pitch.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: maccbaggie on January 06, 2015, 02:43:33 PM
He will more than likely be given a huge fine and a ban.

Cant see him getting jail time if im honest.

Just hope the thought of jail time might just be the wake up call the lad needs.

Seriously confuses me how someone can preach so much about faith and belief in god and humble for his opportunities, yet be so silly at the same time.
The guy's an idiot. Preaches about God and then puts the lives of other people in danger due to his own selfishness and stupidity.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on January 06, 2015, 02:48:26 PM
Big Dave for mentor, whack him for a couple of hundred hours community service (enforced properly, working with kids or something), the biggest fine possible, two or three year driving ban and a six month suspended sentence.

Job done (I hate that phrase)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 06, 2015, 02:49:03 PM
He will more than likely be given a huge fine and a ban.

Cant see him getting jail time if im honest.

Just hope the thought of jail time might just be the wake up call the lad needs.

Seriously confuses me how someone can preach so much about faith and belief in god and humble for his opportunities, yet be so silly at the same time.

Just depends if he turns up at court on time  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on January 06, 2015, 02:50:38 PM
Not suprised he didnt smile the other day when he scored 4 goals knowing he had a court appearance coming up. Hopefully he will finally learn his lesson. Prehaps he needs to step away from some of his friends who might not be a great influence.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 06, 2015, 02:53:34 PM
how about Big Dave Darren Moore, ok won't help him on the pitch but would probably help him a lot more off the pitch.

there is some merit in this Big dave is a religious guy and could maybe get through to saido in a way which a relatively elderly, white, non-religous guy (AI / S.Clarke / TP / lee hughes) maybe would not. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 06, 2015, 03:00:43 PM
there is some merit in this Big dave is a religious guy and could maybe get through to saido in a way which a relatively elderly, white, non-religous guy (AI / S.Clarke / TP / lee hughes) maybe would not. Just a thought.

You beat me to it Albionic! I was just thinking that I was liking what I was reading about the Big Dave angle. I agree, if anyone can get into SB's head in a positive way and maybe relate to SB's religious side then it would be Big Dave. A nicer, more placid,caring bloke you couldn't wish to meet. Darren Moore would be perfect and I'm sure he would jump at the chance to help out in this situation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 06, 2015, 03:04:24 PM
Not suprised he didnt smile the other day when he scored 4 goals knowing he had a court appearance coming up. Hopefully he will finally learn his lesson. Prehaps he needs to step away from some of his friends who might not be a great influence.
If it is the reason that he didn't celebrate, I wish he would have come out and said so. People would have been far more supportive if he had said something along the lines of ' I have things outside of football that I have to deal with right now, which made celebrating difficult', I think we would all have understood and respected him. As it was it made him look sulky and arrogant.
That being said, now that this is in the public domain, I hope he realises that as fans we are right behind him and will support him through it.
Whatever the outcome of the court case, he has had a lucky escape in that no one was hurt, he needs to take his punishment and use it as a springboard to becoming the player and man he has the potential to be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 06, 2015, 03:04:51 PM
there is some merit in this Big dave is a religious guy and could maybe get through to saido in a way which a relatively elderly, white, non-religous guy (AI / S.Clarke / TP / lee hughes) maybe would not. Just a thought.

Great shout that is!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 06, 2015, 03:08:57 PM
If my father figure / mentor was big Dave, I would not be screwing up too much I can tell you!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 06, 2015, 04:01:41 PM
You beat me to it Albionic! I was just thinking that I was liking what I was reading about the Big Dave angle. I agree, if anyone can get into SB's head in a positive way and maybe relate to SB's religious side then it would be Big Dave. A nicer, more placid,caring bloke you couldn't wish to meet. Darren Moore would be perfect and I'm sure he would jump at the chance to help out in this situation.

Top shout that.  The perfect mentor 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Astle1968 on January 06, 2015, 04:31:07 PM
I actually think a 2 week jail term or something similar could be the best thing for him. He seems to have an attitude on him and if he 'gets away' with this it could only  make him think he's even more untouchable than he already does.

All speculation of course as none of really know the guy or how his mind works but strangely I do think a short spell inside might do him some good.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies54 on January 06, 2015, 04:45:42 PM
If I were the JP presiding in the magistrates court I would give him the maximum fine payable and the maximum jail term allowed....with the jail term being suspended for the maximum period allowed for a suspended sentence, maybe, just maybe he might be careful enough for long enough to survive until he got more sense.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 06, 2015, 04:55:42 PM
If I were the JP presiding in the magistrates court I would give him the maximum fine payable and the maximum jail term allowed....with the jail term being suspended for the maximum period allowed for a suspended sentence, maybe, just maybe he might be careful enough for long enough to survive until he got more sense.

What, Jeremy Peace is the bloke in charge of the court case?? Berahino should be ok then! ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 06, 2015, 04:56:51 PM
What, Jeremy Peace is the bloke in charge of the court case?? Berahino should be ok then! ;D

I was just thinking the same thing !   I guess that would be a bit of a conflict of interests!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 06, 2015, 05:22:16 PM
Cyrille Regis would also be an ideal mentor. Black, religious, made some mistakes but learned from them, well respected throughout the game not just at Albion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on January 06, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
I think that the bottom line is the only person that can help him is himself. Hopefully he can sort his life out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 06, 2015, 05:41:57 PM
I think that the bottom line is the only person that can help him is himself. Hopefully he can sort his life out.

This is very true no matter how good a mentor/role model you are if the person you are trying to mentor doesn't want help it won't make a sods worth of difference.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: rogerstubbs on January 06, 2015, 05:58:07 PM
As Carlo Nash ,possible new keeper coach,is a Christian ,has a long running running 140 mph speeding case together with other matters account to his profile ,he may may be able to help saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 06, 2015, 06:15:14 PM
 The truth will no doubt come out in court and what sentence he gets rather depends on the severity of the offence i.e. how much over the limit plus any other factors. If , as reported that he was travelling at 120 mph then that will not help his case. In extremis there is the possibility for a custodial sentence even for a first offence.

Setting aside the gross stupidity of his alleged actions it is worrying from the club's perspective that our rising star looks as capable of crashing and burning as shinning. Tony Pulis does have a record of working with troubled young men Etherington  and Pennant spring to mind and keeping them on the straight and narrow at least to the degree that they could make a telling contribution to his Stoke side.

Both of those players had used up lots of second chances and their careers were to a rescued by their move to Stoke. Berahino is at a stage where his indiscretions can still be discounted as part of his learning process and the club does have the option of unloading the downside risk of Berahino to another club and pocketing a substantial fee.

Assuming that he receives a non-custodial sentence the most sensible approach would be to let the coaching staff work with player and maybe a mentor such Darren Moore. If by the summer we reach the conclusion that he is more trouble than he is worth or we cannot persuade him to sign a new contract then the decision is an easy one. However as an earlier poster pointed out the change has to come from within and he has realise he is on the threshold of what could a brilliant career but he has to grow up before he blows it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies54 on January 06, 2015, 06:25:05 PM
What, Jeremy Peace is the bloke in charge of the court case?? Berahino should be ok then! ;D

  :D :D Yes I realised that just as I pressed the post button, I'm sure you know I meant Justice of the Peace.... ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 06, 2015, 06:31:17 PM
  :D :D Yes I realised that just as I pressed the post button, I'm sure you know I meant Justice of the Peace.... ::)

I knew what you meant, I just couldn't resist!  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 06, 2015, 06:53:28 PM
so much rubbish on here, hes 21 yrs of age not 14 so flip him have you all forgot what most 21 yr olds do in the real world such as mortgage ,kids responsibility to yourself and others, the bloke earns more in 2-3 yrs than most people will in a lifetime. not taking away the difficult  first  10 yrs in his life but all this religious pooh he spouts is just hypocrisy. grow up accept responsibility and drop the attidude then I may just may acknowledge him as a decent person who aspires to be something other than a closed enigma.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 06, 2015, 06:57:32 PM
21 yr olds do in the real world such as mortgage ,kids

those are one end of the scale and 21yr olds with 14 yr old attitudes are the other. SB has had an extraordinary life, you cannot judge him by the norm (average).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 06, 2015, 07:17:25 PM
He won't go to jail if it's simply drink driving, just a driving ban and a fine...at least, that's what everyone who appears on Motorway Cops gets :D

That's not the case.

I was told at work today by those who deal with such matters that if you drive above 100mph and are under the influence of alcohol then there's a posibility of a custodial sentence - my colleague at work has seen it happen to first time offenders too. They take into the account the amount of alchohol consumed, the speed in which you were driving and the dangers your actions could have caused.

If Berahino does a stretch in prison then he will have no sympathy from me. He should plead guilty, admit to the magistrates that he has made a great error of judgement and accept the punishment which comes his way. I think he may be lucky and escape a short custodial sentence.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on January 06, 2015, 07:25:01 PM
That's not the case.

I was told at work today by those who deal with such matters that if you drive above 100mph and are under the influence of alcohol then there's a posibility of a custodial sentence - my colleague at work has seen it happen to first time offenders too. They take into the account the amount of alchohol consumed, the speed in which you were driving and the dangers your actions could have caused.

If Berahino does a stretch in prison then he will have no sympathy from me. He should plead guilty, admit to the magistrates that he has made a great error of judgement and accept the punishment which comes his way. I think he may be lucky and escape a short custodial sentence.
no chance money behind him and the best lawyer they can get... will be the same as every other football a ban and a hefty fine
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 06, 2015, 08:20:47 PM
That's not the case.

I was told at work today by those who deal with such matters that if you drive above 100mph and are under the influence of alcohol then there's a posibility of a custodial sentence - my colleague at work has seen it happen to first time offenders too. They take into the account the amount of alchohol consumed, the speed in which you were driving and the dangers your actions could have caused.

If Berahino does a stretch in prison then he will have no sympathy from me. He should plead guilty, admit to the magistrates that he has made a great error of judgement and accept the punishment which comes his way. I think he may be lucky and escape a short custodial sentence.

Liam,
Can you ask if there's any significance in his bail being cancelled?
For example, could he be facing a lesser charge, where he doesn't have to attend court in person?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 06, 2015, 08:27:45 PM
so much rubbish on here, hes 21 yrs of age not 14 so **** him have you all forgot what most 21 yr olds do in the real world such as mortgage ,kids responsibility to yourself and others, the bloke earns more in 2-3 yrs than most people will in a lifetime. not taking away the difficult  first  10 yrs in his life but all this religious pooh he spouts is just hypocrisy. grow up accept responsibility and drop the attidude then I may just may acknowledge him as a decent person who aspires to be something other than a closed enigma.

kyle/shellsuit/burberry cap/7 kids /asbo etc etc
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Astle1968 on January 06, 2015, 08:45:16 PM
Any chance Swansea could sniff about if Bony goes as expected? I dont think we would sell to them if we could help it as it makes us look small as a club if we sell our best forward to Swansea, and I dont think Berahino would want to go if he had offeres from Spurs/Liverpool on the table.

I think Gomis is meant to be the Bony replacement but hes not looked great so far, and whilst I'm not saying I think it will happen I wouldnt be surprised to see him at least linked if Bony leaves
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 06, 2015, 09:04:39 PM
Liam,
Can you ask if there's any significance in his bail being cancelled?
For example, could he be facing a lesser charge, where he doesn't have to attend court in person?

Was it confirmed that his bail was cancelled? I wasn't aware of that.

I guess a prison sentence is unlikely although I wouldn't rule anything out. In any event, he would be foolish not to attend court as he has been charged.

I would expect him to receive a fine and be disqualified from driving - as he is due to appear in a magistrates court then his fine will be anything up to £5,000 which is the maximum fine permitted in the magistrates court. Fines are usually taken into account on a persons income and their ability to pay.

His ban from driving or any potential prison sentence would depend on the amount of alcohol he had consumed on the night of his offence. There are guidelines available but I'm not sure what they are off the top of my head as I don't work in a Criminal based section. He will however get a reduction off the ban providing he takes part in a driving awareness course or whatever they're called nowadays.

He would be pointless getting legal representation as he will not, regardless of his mitigation put forward, escape a driving ban but they will argue for a lesser fine and reduction in the ban.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 06, 2015, 09:18:26 PM
Was it confirmed that his bail was cancelled? I wasn't aware of that.

I guess a prison sentence is unlikely although I wouldn't rule anything out. In any event, he would be foolish not to attend court.

I would expect him to receive a fine and be disqualified from driving - as he is due to appear in a magistrates court then his fine will be anything up to £5,000 which is the maximum fine permitted in the magistrates court. Fines are usually taken into account on a persons income and their ability to pay.

His ban from driving or any potential prison sentence would depend on the amount of alcohol he had consumed on the night of his offence. There are guidelines available but I'm not sure what they are off the top of my head as I don't work in a Criminal based section. He will however get a reduction off the ban providing he takes part in a driving awareness course or whatever they're called nowadays.

He would be pointless getting legal representation as he will not, regardless of his mitigation put forward, escape a driving ban.

Hi Liam,

This is a quote from the Manchester Evening News


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West Bromwich Albion striker, Saido Berahino is set to appear in court after being arrested on suspicion of drink-driving.

Cheshire Police said a court summons was due to be issued to the, who was called up to the England senior squad in November last year.

Berahino was arrested in the early hours of October 22 after a police patrol stopped a car travelling southbound on the M6 near Warrington.

In a statement, Cheshire Constabulary said the 21-year-old's bail had been cancelled and he would instead be issued with a summons to appear at court on a date to be fixed.

The player scored four goals in Albion's 7-0 FA Cup win over Gateshead last Saturday and signed a new three-and-a-half-year contract with the Baggies in December 2013.

Berahino came to the UK from war-torn Burundi as a child with his mother, brother and sisters and settled with his family in Birmingham.

The England under-21 star was selected for the full England squad in November but was a non-playing substitute for matches against Slovenia and Scotland.

It is understood Berahino has been sent a postal requisition instructing him to appear at North Cheshire Magistrates' Court in Runcorn on Monday January 19.

A spokesman for the striker's club declined to comment on the court proceedings.

I just wondered if the sentences in blue had any significance, he was originally bailed on suspicion of drink driving, but the Cheshire police have not said what he's been charged with, & what he's got to defend at his court appearance. For Example the first sentence doesn't say he's been charged with drinking and driving.

The full article is here http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/premier-league-player-appear-suspicion-8392766? (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/premier-league-player-appear-suspicion-8392766?)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 06, 2015, 09:21:44 PM
I wonder if:

A) The speeding offence was not on a calibrated instrument so would be challengeable.

B) The alcohol offence is marginal/on count back, may be challengeable.

Hence the delay whilst prosecution likelihood was considered.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 06, 2015, 09:32:18 PM
I wonder if:

A) The speeding offence was not on a calibrated instrument so would be challengeable.

B) The alcohol offence is marginal/on count back, may be challengeable.

Hence the delay whilst prosecution likelihood was considered.

I tend to agree with you. There must be some discrepancy in the case. Your second point more likely than the first I would guess. If he was stopped on the motorway, the speed would have been checked and monitored by equipment in the patrol car, so this is likely to be accurate, as opposed to a hand held road side camera for instance. You are only usually arrested 'on suspicion' of drink driving when you are first breathalised and fail on the hand held device on the road side and are then nicked and taken to the station to blow into the intoxometer to give an accurate reading. If you are over the limit then, it is then and only then that you are arrested for drink driving. For him to still only be charged 'on suspicion' of drink driving means it could well be marginal or his defence are trying to argue the toss by trying to clear him through some technical loophole. The plot thickens!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 06, 2015, 09:33:57 PM
I wonder if:

A) The speeding offence was not on a calibrated instrument so would be challengeable.

B) The alcohol offence is marginal/on count back, may be challengeable.

Hence the delay whilst prosecution likelihood was considered.


Purely speculation on my part BP, but I suspect the speeding offence is nailed on. It's not difficult to see that someone's doing over 70 mph, & all they need is the witness statements from two policemen.
The alcohol offence has to be supported by instrumentation, & it's possible that, either the correct procedure hasn't been followed or the readings are so borderline that a prosecution would be risky.
On the other hand they may have him banged to rights.
The article from the Manchester Evening News is the least emotional & the most informative, but doesn't say he's been charged for drink driving, that's why I'm asking the question.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 06, 2015, 09:36:47 PM
I tend to agree with you. There must be some discrepancy in the case. Your second point more likely than the first I would guess. If he was stopped on the motorway, the speed would have been checked and monitored by equipment in the patrol car, so this is likely to be accurate, as opposed to a hand held road side camera for instance. You are only usually arrested 'on suspicion' of drink driving when you are first breathalised and fail on the hand held device on the road side and are then nicked and taken to the station to blow into the intoxometer to give an accurate reading. If you are over the limit then, it is then and only then that you are arrested for drink driving. For him to still only be charged 'on suspicion' of drink driving means it could well be marginal or his defence are trying to argue the toss by trying to clear him through some technical loophole. The plot thickens!
It is on suspicion as innocent until proven guilty.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 06, 2015, 09:46:11 PM
It is on suspicion as innocent until proven guilty.

I've just completed a 19 month ban for drink driving myself. I've just found my bail sheet from the night I was arrested on 23rd March 2013. After blowing 70 on the intoxometer at Cheltenham police station I was immediately charged with drink driving. When I was pulled over and failed the blow in the bag on roadside I was arrested 'on suspicion of drink driving'. Once I failed the second test I was then arrested for 'drink driving' no mention of the word suspicion. I'll post word for word the charge if anyone is interested in it in comparison to Berahino's case?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 06, 2015, 09:50:29 PM

Purely speculation on my part BP, but I suspect the speeding offence is nailed on. It's not difficult to see that someone's doing over 70 mph, & all they need is the witness statements from two policemen.
The alcohol offence has to be supported by instrumentation, & it's possible that, either the correct procedure hasn't been followed or the readings are so borderline that a prosecution would be risky.
On the other hand they may have him banged to rights.
The article from the Manchester Evening News is the least emotional & the most informative, but doesn't say he's been charged for drink driving, that's why I'm asking the question.

I would have thought if it was for a clear D/D it would have been dealt with by now.

The speeding may not be as clear cut as it may appear, may have been picked up on roadside traffic cameras as it was so early in the morning, then reported to police, all conjecture and as pointed out, a presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Avonbaggie on January 06, 2015, 09:50:39 PM
I've just completed a 19 month ban for drink driving myself. I've just found my bail sheet from the night I was arrested on 23rd March 2013. After blowing 70 on the intoxometer at Cheltenham police station I was immediately charged with drink driving. When I was pulled over and failed the blow in the bag on roadside I was arrested 'on suspicion of drink driving'. Once I failed the second test I was then arrested for 'drink driving' no mention of the word suspicion. I'll post word for word the charge if anyone is interested in it in comparison to Berahino's case?

This is right from what I can tell. Once you've provided the second sample and you are still over then they can charge you. Whether Saido was under on the second sample might explain it or whether his hotshot lawyers have come up with another technicality. The other is that he never provided a sample at all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 06, 2015, 09:52:14 PM
I just wondered if the sentences in blue had any significance, he was originally bailed on suspicion of drink driving, but the Cheshire police have not said what he's been charged with, & what he's got to defend at his court appearance. For Example the first sentence doesn't say he's been charged with drinking and driving.

The full article is here http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/premier-league-player-appear-suspicion-8392766? (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/premier-league-player-appear-suspicion-8392766?)

Thanks for that link.

The BBC are reporting that he has been charged with drink-driving so that is what he will have to defend at the Magistrates court. There is very little defence (as far as I'm aware!) for such cases unless scenarios like The Black Pearl provides have some foundation to them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 06, 2015, 09:53:08 PM
I've just completed a 19 month ban for drink driving myself. I've just found my bail sheet from the night I was arrested on 23rd March 2013. After blowing 70 on the intoxometer at Cheltenham police station I was immediately charged with drink driving. When I was pulled over and failed the blow in the bag on roadside I was arrested 'on suspicion of drink driving'. Once I failed the second test I was then arrested for 'drink driving' no mention of the word suspicion. I'll post word for word the charge if anyone is interested in it in comparison to Berahino's case?

Prat, but top man for your honesty. ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 06, 2015, 09:58:16 PM
Prat, but top man for your honesty. ;)

Absolutely. I've held my hands up, accepted my punishment, learned my lesson, that's all I can do. I lost my job and my flat over it amongst other things. When you see these anti-drink drive campaign adverts on telly, showing blokes in despair over how it has ruined their life, it is bang on, totally true. It broke me in more ways than one. Somehow I don't think SB will struggle quite as much regardless of his outcome  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 06, 2015, 10:00:52 PM
This is right from what I can tell. Once you've provided the second sample and you are still over then they can charge you. Whether Saido was under on the second sample might explain it or whether his hotshot lawyers have come up with another technicality. The other is that he never provided a sample at all.

Your last point would be a different offence altogether - Saido has been charged with drink driving.

On a more general point, I do think we should be very careful with our comments as this case is "open".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 06, 2015, 10:03:40 PM
Absolutely. I've held my hands up, accepted my punishment, learned my lesson, that's all I can do. I lost my job and my flat over it amongst other things. When you see these anti-drink drive campaign adverts on telly, showing blokes in despair over how it has ruined their life, it is bang on, totally true. It broke me in more ways than one. Somehow I don't think SB will struggle quite as much regardless of his outcome  ::)

Most people who drink do it at some point, we all make stupid mistakes in life, some we get away with, some we don't, people who take a high moral view on such things should bear that in mind. :-X

I hope your life is on the way to recovery.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 06, 2015, 10:05:35 PM
Your last point would be a different offence altogether - Saido has been charged with drink driving.

On a more general point, I do think we should be very careful with our comments as this case is "open".

I don't think anyone is saying anything untoward Liam.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 06, 2015, 10:06:38 PM
Your last point would be a different offence altogether - Saido has been charged with drink driving.

On a more general point, I do think we should be very careful with our comments as this case is "open".

Quite so, I hope I have been putting forward a hypothetical argument, which I understand is allowed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 06, 2015, 10:10:39 PM
I don't think anyone is saying anything untoward Liam.

I wasn't suggesting there was TBP - just throwing the point out there as a careful reminder.

I know of another football forum that was banned from mentioning an on-going court case of one of their players just incase they disrupted the trial etc.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 06, 2015, 10:15:11 PM
I wasn't suggesting there was TBP - just throwing the point out there as a careful reminder.

I know of another football forum that was banned from mentioning an on-going court case of one of their players just incase they disrupted the trial etc.

I know Liam, all will soon be clear.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on January 06, 2015, 10:15:28 PM
The arrest under suspicion is just to get him back to the police station, could be he refused to blow or didn't have the ability to blow ( usually for very drunk people) also when people have high readings at the side of the road they can be arrested, the arrest is just a technicality.

The bail is usually set for times when blood results are due. The person has blood taken and then get bailed pending blood test results.

Defences are very minimal and based around medical issues, police procedural issues or a fear of safety eg I had to move my car for fear of being attacked.

Likeihood of imprisonment for first offence is rare and usually comes into effect when injuries are involved or large property damage. The reading has to be very high and other factors eg speed or manner of driving.

I have no idea of SB case and his circumstances maybe totally different to what I have listed but this is a general prognoses of what could have happened.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 06, 2015, 10:33:12 PM
Most people who drink do it at some point, we all make stupid mistakes in life, some we get away with, some we don't, people who take a high moral view on such things should bear that in mind. :-X

I hope your life is on the way to recovery.

Yes, I received all the preaching from the people taking moral high ground against me. I just had to be humble. It's took a while to get back on track, but thanks, I'm slowly getting there. I used to drive for a living which made everything even worse in my case. :( Lets hope Saido learns the same lessons in life and be thankful that he will still be employed,still have a roof over his head,still have a life,unlike others faced with the consequences. Lets hope he shows a bit of humbleness too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on January 06, 2015, 10:58:07 PM
The arrest under suspicion is just to get him back to the police station, could be he refused to blow or didn't have the ability to blow ( usually for very drunk people) also when people have high readings at the side of the road they can be arrested, the arrest is just a technicality.

The bail is usually set for times when blood results are due. The person has blood taken and then get bailed pending blood test results.

Defences are very minimal and based around medical issues, police procedural issues or a fear of safety eg I had to move my car for fear of being attacked.

Likeihood of imprisonment for first offence is rare and usually comes into effect when injuries are involved or large property damage. The reading has to be very high and other factors eg speed or manner of driving.

I have no idea of SB case and his circumstances maybe totally different to what I have listed but this is a general prognoses of what could have happened.
Oh I forgot if he goes guilty first appearance he will get a reduced sentence which will rule out any custodial sentence.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on January 06, 2015, 11:06:26 PM
Apparently we've offered berahino for lennon and Townsend, would take that tbh
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tambag on January 06, 2015, 11:10:17 PM
Have we offered that to spurs or spurs to us ?

I would take it but would we be able to afford the extra wages ?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on January 06, 2015, 11:12:42 PM
50k a week wages. They'd be on a par with our top player's like Foster and Lescott for wages i think. I'd cash in on him if we were offered them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on January 06, 2015, 11:13:14 PM
 It's in mirror that we've spoke to Tottenham so we've offered it. Apparently will pay both 50k a week. Would be delighted tbh
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 06, 2015, 11:15:57 PM
Have we offered that to spurs or spurs to us ?

I would take it but would we be able to afford the extra wages ?

Its in the Daily Mirror online....

Seems we will offer both players £50k/week, which matches their current deals, and that we don't want to have to pay any cash on top. Seems about right if Berahino is worth £15m and the two Spurs players £7.5m each.

As this is Levy and Peace, the horse trading could be fun!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 06, 2015, 11:26:26 PM
Lennon was on around £53k a week last season according to http://www.tsmplug.com/football/tottenham-player-salaries-2014/

Townsend on around £40k a week according to http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/437796/Andros-Townsend-cashes-in-with-new-2million-a-year-contract-at-Tottenham

Think Lennon (possibly both) will attract interest from elsewhere. They also have to agree to come here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on January 06, 2015, 11:26:52 PM
Do this deal and then spend the whole budget on a striker!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tambag on January 06, 2015, 11:32:28 PM
I agree, fingers crossed
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 06, 2015, 11:34:32 PM
Do this deal and then spend the whole budget on a striker!!!

Do this deal (net nil), sign Defoe (say £6m) and either Crouch (say £1m) or Lambert (say £4m), which leaves plenty to sign a holding midfielder, Huth and the Japanese left back.

Sell Brown Ideye to Newcastle or Sunderland (£6m) plus Morrison or Dorrans (£4m) and we should be nicely done!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on January 06, 2015, 11:41:20 PM
How about just bidding for them? Keep Saido, and. Spend the budget on the midfield and a CB? We have samaras, Vic, Saido, ideye, Nabi brothers? No need for another, or.... Dump samaras, sell Vic cheap, ad bring in Defoe and lambert, Lennon and Dembele/Townsend/ bolasie/salah
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 06, 2015, 11:44:37 PM
How about just bidding for them? Keep Saido, and. Spend the budget on the midfield and a CB? We have samaras, Vic, Saido, ideye, Nabi brothers? No need for another, or.... Dump samaras, sell Vic cheap, ad bring in Defoe and lambert, Lennon and Dembele/Townsend/ bolasie/salah
Salah's a waste as he has his Egyptian army sentence to serve does he not?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 06, 2015, 11:55:32 PM
Thinking about it, JP won't sanction spending £6m on Defoe with very limited sell- on value.  More likely to sanction paying more for Danny Ings, which I would love to see.

Buy Lennon, Townsend, Ings and Lambert (circa £25m total)

Sell Berahino, Vic, Brown Ideye and Samares (circa £25m total)

That's the wingers and strikers sorted for net nil.

Still £30m (apparently) left.....

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 06, 2015, 11:59:04 PM
Am I being dumb or do people want us to play with two right wingers?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on January 06, 2015, 11:59:45 PM
Apparently we've offered berahino for lennon and Townsend, would take that tbh

Aren't you ITK? Have you heard anything of the sort from your source?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 07, 2015, 12:01:14 AM
Am I being dumb or do people want us to play with two right wingers?

Varela on the left - competition for places !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on January 07, 2015, 12:08:15 AM
Spurs offered Berahino

Spurs are being offered striker Saido Berahino in exchange for Andros Townsend and Aaron Lennon.

New West Brom boss Tony Pulis is willing to cash in on top scorer Berahino to fund an overhaul of his squad.

He wants two new wingers to provide pace and power down either flank and sees the Spurs pair as the answer.

Although Berahino is Albion’s top scorer this term with 13 goals and has been called up by England they have put new contract talks on hold.

The club have been frustrated by his attitude and time-keeping, and yesterday he was charged with drink-driving on the M6 in October, and will appear in court on January 19.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-news-live-latest-news-4925625

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/spurs-offered-saido-berahino-west-4928812
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 07, 2015, 12:13:27 AM
Varela on the left - competition for places !

Two England full internationals competing for a place at West Brom - happy days! Or fantasy island?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on January 07, 2015, 12:16:11 AM
What an exciting prospect, with maybe Defoe up or Ings up front. The club feels refreshed and I feel more confident that we will stay(pending signings)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 07, 2015, 12:22:00 AM
Two England full internationals competing for a place at West Brom - happy days! Or fantasy island?

Personally I would take just one of them plus Jarvis and leave more to spend on strikers ie Defoe.

I wonder whether Levy would sell Soldado as part of the deal?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on January 07, 2015, 12:22:17 AM
I'd love to see it but I can't see it being true. I will believe it when they are on the official website scarves aloft.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mat15(MH) on January 07, 2015, 12:48:55 AM
This would be awful business on our part.

As the article says, Levy would want Berahino AND cash for Lennon & Townsend. As a conservative estimate, let's say we rate Berahino at 15 million pounds. That means Spurs are valuing Townsend and Lennon as being worth that, plus they want us to pay more on top. Not a chance that happens, with other clubs in for Berahino at around the 20 million mark.

Add to that, They'd be on a combined 100k a week, Berahino's new deal was reported as 12k a week, so we'd be paying money and 10 times the wages of Berahino.

And there is also no way Peace would pay the combined wages for one of the two to be sat on the bench. .

Either of them would be a great addition as either a stand-alone deal on our part, or as part of a deal for Berahino where we get cash as well, but the mooted deal would be terrible business on our part.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on January 07, 2015, 01:02:18 AM
Articles about trade deals are almost always made up, there's regularly articles about them, but really the amount of transfers that involve a player exchange, yet alone 3 players is incredibly small. Where they do exist its usually low key players, certainly not major transfers like proposed here.

Even then there's virtually no chance we would a) sell Berahino for what amounts to about 15m, and b) Exchange him for 2 players so we receive no money, presumably use all our wages available, and are left without a sriker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 07, 2015, 01:22:31 AM
Agreed absolute fantasy from the Mirror.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 07, 2015, 08:26:13 AM
do it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 07, 2015, 08:37:10 AM
If we sell him for two wingers and a defender who will score the goals
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 07, 2015, 08:40:45 AM
If the rumour was true I would be happy to do the swap based on the belief that we would sign a replacement striker.

In reality though, cannot see such deal happening, relying on 3 players to agree to the move, more wages to pay for us, plus the expectance to have to replace Berahino still which means we would be paying 100k more a week and then the wages of a new striker, all to replace one lad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 07, 2015, 09:04:00 AM
Its not just replacing one lad though is it!! Its putting some real quality into the squad that we are lacking and using the money from him to overhaul this squad.

Lennon and Townsend would be 2 players we should be going for anyway aswell as Defoe.

If we lost Berahino and signed the above I would be ecstatic not happy
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: palmaroy on January 07, 2015, 09:12:35 AM
Amazing if we could get Lennon and Townsend.
Go the whole Hogg and get Defoe and Crouch as well.Sessegnon behind those four and one new central midfielder and Bingo we are ready to beat Birmingham in the cup
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 07, 2015, 09:14:23 AM
Its not just replacing one lad though is it!! Its putting some real quality into the squad that we are lacking and using the money from him to overhaul this squad.

Lennon and Townsend would be 2 players we should be going for anyway aswell as Defoe.

If we lost Berahino and signed the above I would be ecstatic not happy

Yeah I agree with you, they would both improve us massively, but from a JP point of view he will look at it like this.

Berahino - wages 12-15k a week
Townsend and Lennon - easily 100k a week

That means we are already spending around 85k a week more in wages, plus the need to replace Berahino, which would probably cost realistically 6-10 million for someone half decent, whos wages would also be around 50k-60k.

Just cannot see that happening if im honest, JP signing 3 players on 50k+ a week contracts in January, a month we hardly ever strengthen.

Dont get me wrong though, I would love it to happen.

If we replaced Berahino with Townsend, Lennon and say Defoe, and it only cost us wages plus around 6 million in money, I would be jumping for joy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 07, 2015, 09:19:31 AM
has anyone noticed that he's in court the day we play Everton ?

guessing he won't be involved in the squad that day
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on January 07, 2015, 09:23:56 AM
If Peace is true to his word Berahino won't be going anywhere this month.  We don't win enough games as it is without selling the only player who can score regular goals.

If this does happen then i'd rate Townsend at about 6 million and Lennon at 4 million so it would still take a sizeable transfer fee as well.

I don't think this would be a wise career move for Berahino either. He would be playing second fiddle to Harry Kane for the forward role and would end up playing out wide.

If we want to cash in then fair enough, but leave it till the summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: robbo_wba on January 07, 2015, 09:30:41 AM
No reason he shouldn't be involved.

His court appearance is in Runcorn so he's only 20 minutes or so away.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 07, 2015, 10:00:18 AM
No reason he shouldn't be involved.

His court appearance is in Runcorn so he's only 20 minutes or so away.
The ball and chain might slow him down a bit though  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 07, 2015, 10:02:24 AM
Agreed absolute fantasy from the Mirror.

as always  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: valleybaggie on January 07, 2015, 11:38:47 AM
i would be happy swaping berahino for the two spurs lads my only concern would be we're getting rid of our top scorer don't mind as long as we then buy someone to replace the goals don't want another earnshaw episode
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 07, 2015, 11:57:27 AM
Townsend & Lennon = sick notes,  don't they?

Lets go for Shaun Wright Phillips as well.

Sorry this is a BIG no for me!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 07, 2015, 12:12:28 PM
No reason he shouldn't be involved.

His court appearance is in Runcorn so he's only 20 minutes or so away.

Another excuse for being late  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 07, 2015, 01:51:38 PM
Interesting.

West Brom Academy Manager Mark Harrison has offered an insight into the aspects of Saido Berahino that fans don’t see.

The England under-21 international is being strongly linked with a move to Tottenham Hotspur, but Harrison has revealed that his focus is very much on succeeding and moving forward with the Baggies.

“What people don’t report is that on Monday afternoon he asked Darren Moore to stay out and do extra training with him. People don’t hear about that,” he told the Birmingham Mail.

Berahino has come in for a little bit of criticism in relation to why he didn’t celebrate during the FA Cup win over Gateshead, but Harrison’s comments certainly suggest he cares about improving at his current club.

“I am one of his defenders, because I am bound to be. I spoke to him on Sunday and we spoke for 25 minutes about what happened on Saturday? (with the non-celebration).”

“I had texted him straight away: ‘Why didn’t you celebrate?’”


“I won’t say what he said, but if I could, people would find his answer interesting.”

The non-celebration could have been to do with a number of things not related to the Tottenham Hotspur links, but it prompted speculation that his mind wasn’t entirely focused on West Brom.

West Brom were in complete control against Gateshead and it would have been difficult for the Baggies to get themselves pumped up in the same way as a tense and hard fought Premier League game.


What’s clear is that Harrison feels Berahino is misunderstood and he’s backing him to succeed, whichever direction his career heads in.

He’s been one of the highest scoring English forwards this season, which led to his call up to the England senior side and if he continues to work hard, whether that’s at West Brom or not, Harrison believes there’s nothing he can’t achieve.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 07, 2015, 02:17:45 PM
“I won’t say what he said, but if I could, people would find his answer interesting.”

All that will do is get fans talking even more. Either say what he said or don't say anything.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on January 07, 2015, 02:22:55 PM
“I won’t say what he said, but if I could, people would find his answer interesting.”

All that will do is get fans talking even more. Either say what he said or don't say anything.

Spot on, when I read that earlier it got me a bit angry. What's the point in saying stuff like that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on January 07, 2015, 03:06:49 PM
Exactly and makes the rest of the statement completely f****** pointless  >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbatillidie on January 07, 2015, 03:09:15 PM
Would rather keep Saido until the summer and just try to buy either Lennon or Townsend. Don't they both play on the right anyway?

Selling Saido in January is too big of a risk, regardless of his attitude he's the only goalscorer we have.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jamesa2407 on January 07, 2015, 03:12:34 PM
Really can't see this happening. It doesn't even seem like a fair/good deal for us/wba to be honest.

Berahino 23 million / Townsend & Lennon... I would want another 8-10 million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 07, 2015, 03:13:52 PM
Yes, bang on. All this does is add fuel to the fire and just increases speculation and leaves Berahino more open to criticism, the very thing that I would have thought a club statement would be trying to prevent!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on January 07, 2015, 03:19:38 PM
I've just had an interesting thought about the whole matter....but I'm not going to tell anyone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on January 07, 2015, 03:25:01 PM
Maybe I'm just a "glass half full" kind of bloke, but when I read that my thought was that Harrison was trying to be helpful and imply something positive about Saido rather than open himself up for criticism.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on January 07, 2015, 03:45:25 PM
That's how I read it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 07, 2015, 03:47:20 PM
Maybe I'm just a "glass half full" kind of bloke, but when I read that my thought was that Harrison was trying to be helpful and imply something positive about Saido rather than open himself up for criticism.

But by saying what he did, Harrison hasn't really said anything has he?! We are none the wiser for that statement. If Harrison REALLY wanted to be positive about Saido, he could have gone on to attempt to explain things, to explain how Saido really feels, explain his real thoughts. If Harrison thinks that Saido's heart is with the club and in the right place then why the hell not come out with it and say just what it is that he is not saying!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bishop brennan on January 07, 2015, 04:25:31 PM
But it was personal chat between Harrison and Saido.

I am happy for it to remain personal !!

would you want to know how many ***** I ***** last night ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 07, 2015, 04:35:22 PM
But it was personal chat between Harrison and Saido.

I am happy for it to remain personal !!

would you want to know how many ***** I ***** last night ?

But if it was just a personal chat between Harrison and Saido, then WHY THE HELL DID HARRISON BOTHER SAYING ANYTHING AT ALL!!!! As someone else posted earlier, it just makes the whole statement a complete and utter waste of time!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on January 07, 2015, 04:38:37 PM
How about soldado and townsend?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on January 07, 2015, 04:52:52 PM
But if it was just a personal chat between Harrison and Saido, then WHY THE HELL DID HARRISON BOTHER SAYING ANYTHING AT ALL!!!! As someone else posted earlier, it just makes the whole statement a complete and utter waste of time!

Perhaps he was saying it to suggest that there was nothing sinister in Saido's lack of celebration, rather there was a reason, a valid reason, that the lad  shared with him but beyond that doesn't want revealing.

My half full interpretation was, perhaps optimistically, that he was trying to be helpful to those worried by Saido's apparent sulk.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 07, 2015, 04:58:57 PM
Perhaps he was saying it to suggest that there was nothing sinister in Saido's lack of celebration, rather there was a reason, a valid reason, that the lad  shared with him but beyond that doesn't want revealing.

My half full interpretation was, perhaps optimistically, that he was trying to be helpful to those worried by Saido's apparent sulk.

Like you say,I can see how Harrison might have been trying to come across and what his intentions were, I just don't think he really enlightened anybody with anything that we didn't already know. There have already been various vague statements/comments about not reading anything into it Saido's actions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 07, 2015, 05:01:54 PM
How about soldado and townsend?

£100k a week in wages between them !!!

Not a chance.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 07, 2015, 05:26:32 PM
Soldado??? Good god no!!!!!!!!!

Could not hit a barn door.........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 07, 2015, 05:37:24 PM
I saw Eminike a few months ago and was very impressed. Spurs are sniffing around apparently........

Might be an idea that Mr Burton went to see him for real, but thoughts??????
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 07, 2015, 05:41:03 PM
Public scrutiny eh? In these kinds of circumstances everyone's opinions have an element of validity. So ultimately it often boils down to whether you can personally take to the bloke or not. Personally I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe we need to decide whether we want him as part of the family, warts and all or sell him for a fast buck. Either way I personally would appreciate it if some people got off their high horses - sorry if I am upsetting any paragons of virtue out there ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 07, 2015, 05:54:45 PM
Soldado??? Good god no!!!!!!!!!

Could not hit a barn door.........

He could before he joined Spurs - look at his record.

To be fair, so could Brown Ideye before he joined us!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 07, 2015, 05:57:56 PM
Maybe I'm just a "glass half full" kind of bloke, but when I read that my thought was that Harrison was trying to be helpful and imply something positive about Saido rather than open himself up for criticism.

That is the way I read it as well.

I suppose if you want to find a negative, you can.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: orville on January 07, 2015, 06:09:25 PM
http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7517922


looks likes a no to Townsend
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 07, 2015, 06:17:16 PM
That is the way I read it as well.

I suppose if you want to find a negative, you can.

I don't think any of the comments on this point have been at all negative about Harrison or Saido. It's just that it seems we are all no nearer really knowing anything!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 07, 2015, 06:38:55 PM
Yeah I heard it talked about that Spurs have said Townsend is not for sale he is part of their  plans.

Still think Lennon may be someone we are after though

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 07, 2015, 06:53:54 PM
I don't think any of the comments on this point have been at all negative about Harrison or Saido. It's just that it seems we are all no nearer really knowing anything!

The problem is Nathan, everyone is looking for negatives re Berahino, from the media to the fans, yes, some worrying stuff has emerged, he is a young man making a few mistakes, it may just be better to show him some support and affection, slagging his every move will drive him away when he is potentially the best Albion forward for over 30 years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 07, 2015, 07:04:00 PM
The problem is Nathan, everyone is looking for negatives re Berahino, from the media to the fans, yes, some worrying stuff has emerged, he is a young man making a few mistakes, it may just be better to show him some support and affection, slagging his every move will drive him away when he is potentially the best Albion forward for over 30 years.

Certainly agree with much of that mate, the only thing I'd like to comment on though is that I don't think everyone is actually LOOKING for negatives regarding Berahino. I think some people have reacted to the worrying stuff and have concerns but I certainly don't think people are purposely looking for problems and negatives. I think Berahino has still got the support of all Albion fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on January 07, 2015, 07:18:06 PM
Certainly agree with much of that mate, the only thing I'd like to comment on though is that I don't think everyone is actually LOOKING for negatives regarding Berahino. I think some people have reacted to the worrying stuff and have concerns but I certainly don't think people are purposely looking for problems and negatives. I think Berahino has still got the support of all Albion fans.

Well let's ALL make sure he is aware of that on Saturday
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 07, 2015, 07:22:43 PM
i think everyone just needs to grow up, realise he aint a perfect robot goal scoring machine like everyone wants him to be, get out of his personal life (or what you hear in the bullsh*t papers), understand hes human and made mistakes, realise he WILL make more mistakes like all of us have done or will do...

and get behind the kid!
would you smile if you were playing infront of a bunch of people who just speak negative about you?

we have such negative support, its shocking.

i couldn't give a damn if hes smiling, dancing, crying or doing backflips! if hes a west brom player and scoring goals... why get rid of him then moan because we aint got a bloody goal scorer?!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 07, 2015, 07:28:26 PM
i think everyone just needs to grow up, realise he aint a perfect robot goal scoring machine like everyone wants him to be, get out of his personal life (or what you hear in the bullsh*t papers), understand hes human and made mistakes, realise he WILL make more mistakes like all of us have done or will do...

and get behind the kid!
would you smile if you were playing infront of a bunch of people who just speak negative about you?

we have such negative support, its shocking.

i couldn't give a damn if hes smiling, dancing, crying or doing backflips! if hes a west brom player and scoring goals... why get rid of him then moan because we aint got a bloody goal scorer?!

I like the cut of your jib me hearty  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 07, 2015, 07:41:59 PM
I like the cut of your jib me hearty  ;)

hahaa! hes a young kid with bags of potential and he knows where the net is, like many have already said on here before

lets hope Mr. Pulis kicks him into line and takes a liking to him before any clubs put in any serious bids  ;D

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 07, 2015, 08:06:10 PM
i think everyone just needs to grow up, realise he aint a perfect robot goal scoring machine like everyone wants him to be, get out of his personal life (or what you hear in the bullsh*t papers), understand hes human and made mistakes, realise he WILL make more mistakes like all of us have done or will do...

and get behind the kid!
would you smile if you were playing infront of a bunch of people who just speak negative about you?

we have such negative support, its shocking.

i couldn't give a damn if hes smiling, dancing, crying or doing backflips! if hes a west brom player and scoring goals... why get rid of him then moan because we aint got a bloody goal scorer?!
When have the fans been negative? I haven't heard him get a single bit of stick at any game this season or last.
I think he has had fantastic support from day one regardless of his off field issues.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 07, 2015, 08:20:17 PM
When have the fans been negative? I haven't heard him get a single bit of stick at any game this season or last.
I think he has had fantastic support from day one regardless of his off field issues.

just saying from this very thread..
it seems 80% of the people on here want rid of him! when will people realise that we need points and hes the only player we have that's proved he can score goals?

i aint no genius but no goals = no wins, we need wins!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 07, 2015, 08:31:05 PM
just saying from this very thread..
it seems 80% of the people on here want rid of him! when will people realise that we need points and hes the only player we have that's proved he can score goals?

i aint no genius but no goals = no wins, we need wins!
He has disappointed a lot of people, we want him to be a home grown hero, but turns out he's just human. Don't think anyone really wants rid otherwise we would hear it on matches, people just vent their frustration on here (myself included).
I reckon he'll get a rousing reception on Saturday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 07, 2015, 08:36:03 PM
He has disappointed a lot of people, we want him to be a home grown hero, but turns out he's just human. Don't think anyone really wants rid otherwise we would hear it on matches, people just vent their frustration on here (myself included).
I reckon he'll get a rousing reception on Saturday.

Let us hope so. The best heroes IMHO are human  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 07, 2015, 08:36:19 PM
hahaa! hes a young kid with bags of potential and he knows where the net is, like many have already said on here before

lets hope Mr. Pulis kicks him into line and takes a liking to him before any clubs put in any serious bids  ;D

That comment of yours is EXACTLY what everyone else on here has said in regards to Berahino's future! NOBODY has been saying they want him out for no good reason. We all want him to get a good kick up the backside and get his act together. What you've just said is NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOVER to anything said by the 80% of people who you have accused of being negative.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Marcus on January 07, 2015, 08:37:36 PM
How about we get behind him on Saturday with a chant of :
He smiles when he wants
He smiles when he wants
Saido Berahino
He smiles when he wants  :D

Would at least show we've still got a sense of humour.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on January 07, 2015, 08:44:55 PM
just saying from this very thread..
it seems 80% of the people on here want rid of him! when will people realise that we need points and hes the only player we have that's proved he can score goals?

i aint no genius but no goals = no wins, we need wins!

I think most fans REALLY want SB to stay but IF a offer of over £20 million from liverpool or spurs does materialise i worry what his reaction on the pitch would be, has his temperament of late has let him down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 07, 2015, 09:09:47 PM
I think most fans REALLY want SB to stay but IF a offer of over £20 million from liverpool or spurs does materialise i worry what his reaction on the pitch would be, has his temperament of late has let him down.

So how would you behave? And whilst you're measuring the pros and cons spare a thought for those who might think differently. ..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: yorkshire baggie on January 07, 2015, 09:13:18 PM
Most of us would have given anything to play for our beloved football club and therefore when you see Saido earning massive wages and giving the impression he is doing us all a favour by turning out for us, it gets very annoying...score a hat trick at the hawthorns and not celebrate...just let him go, take the money and run.
Invest in someone who gives a toss. Sorry but can't abide him - the attitude stinks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on January 07, 2015, 09:20:06 PM
I saw Eminike a few months ago and was very impressed. Spurs are sniffing around apparently........

Might be an idea that Mr Burton went to see him for real, but thoughts??????

Would cost us ~£15 million. If Berahino went for mega money then sure, but doubt it otherwise.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 07, 2015, 09:23:07 PM
Most of us would have given anything to play for our beloved football club and therefore when you see Saido earning massive wages and giving the impression he is doing us all a favour by turning out for us, it gets very annoying...score a hat trick at the hawthorns and not celebrate...just let him go, take the money and run.
Invest in someone who gives a toss. Sorry but can't abide him - the attitude stinks.
so basically the reason you want to sell him is because you're jealous?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 07, 2015, 09:24:57 PM
Most of us would have given anything to play for our beloved football club and therefore when you see Saido earning massive wages and giving the impression he is doing us all a favour by turning out for us, it gets very annoying...score a hat trick at the hawthorns and not celebrate...just let him go, take the money and run.
Invest in someone who gives a toss. Sorry but can't abide him - the attitude stinks.


With regards to his wages he could be crocked next game putting him in the same job market as the rest of us.  As far as him caring for the club - relationships are a two way thing.  Who should we give a toss about? Surely not someone who judges him asguilty by default?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on January 07, 2015, 09:25:31 PM
so basically the reason you want to sell him is because you're jealous?

Not sure it's jealousy, more that people are envious of his position and disagree with how he is acting while being in that position.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on January 07, 2015, 09:43:17 PM
I am quite sure envy does not come into it . Football professionals have been getting too much money for way too long . We now accept because basically there ain't nothing we can do about it . What we disagree with is the possible ingratitude that he seems to show. The spat with james Morrison , the hippy crack episode and now this drink driving case . On top of that why the sourpuss face . People can only comment on what they see . It's up to the lad himself to get his act together .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 07, 2015, 09:50:50 PM
I am quite sure envy does not come into it . Football professionals have been getting too much money for way too long . We now accept because basically there ain't nothing we can do about it . What we disagree with is the possible ingratitude that he seems to show. The spat with james Morrison , the hippy crack episode and now this drink driving case . On top of that why the sourpuss face . People can only comment on what they see . It's up to the lad himself to get his act together .
As explained by others public relations require a different skill set to that which is needed to put a ball in the onion bag. If I want a politician I look towards Westminster - there we can find people who are happy to sell us any piece of old flannel. I like people who are qualified human beings
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on January 07, 2015, 09:57:11 PM
You may be correct . Indeed paying some one what we pay these players does not indicate they have wisdom to match their skills . We don't know the ins and outs of this situation , but one thing is clear throwing 15k a week at a 21 year old kid isn't wise . It's not the baggies or the lad who are to blame . Blame the obscene amount of money in football .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 07, 2015, 10:04:37 PM
You may be correct . Indeed paying some one what we pay these players does not indicate they have wisdom to match their skills . We don't know the ins and outs of this situation , but one thing is clear throwing 15k a week at a 21 year old kid isn't wise . It's not the baggies or the lad who are to blame . Blame the obscene amount of money in football .

Not just in football unfortunately but washing around the feet of many of those in power who are doing far less for us - but that is another story  ;) As you say, let us hope that some strategies are in place to help SB make sense of his situation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on January 07, 2015, 11:13:37 PM
So how would you behave? And whilst you're measuring the pros and cons spare a thought for those who might think differently. ..


My opinion was, the 80% posted about think the kid has great promise but at that money they would sell, thats how ive read the post What pros & cons do you mean
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 07, 2015, 11:25:05 PM
What so if we get an offer of say 20mil... Let him go?
And then whos going to score the goals we NEED?
We have a £10 million pound striker who aint done hardly anything for us (caught injuries/lack of fitness etc so fair enough)... But were not going to get a natural goal scorer of berahino's age and potential for what we can afford!

Me personally i dont fancy paying another £349 for a season ticket to watch other teams score, i want to see US score... If that means our goal scorer is arrogant/ cocky/ argumentive.... I couldnt give a damn, we go there to see football... Not to rate their personalities or goal celebrations!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 08, 2015, 12:15:10 AM
This is aimed at nobody in particular.
I think it would be a crying shame if Saido were to be sold.
Cracking talent. Young lad with the world at his feet.
Dread to think what I would have been like at his age and with his bank account.
And that's before you add in his childhood etc.
All of the best young man. Enjoy your football, don't be ruled by distractions and long may you remain an Albion player.
 8).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 08, 2015, 12:42:53 AM

My opinion was, the 80% posted about think the kid has great promise but at that money they would sell, thats how ive read the post What pros & cons do you mean

Sorry for any confusion :) I'm trying to make the point that being a team player is one thing but it can be difficult to know when it is appropriate to be mercenary with regards to his own career and development and when and how to show loyalty to what is, with the best will in the world, to all intents and purposes a fickle fan base. This is not unique to SB or us of course simply part of the cold reality of the modern world.  Not pointing fingers as much as trying to encourage understanding for someone who is struggling to make sense of a crazy lifestyle that would challenge the best of us.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: socalbaggie on January 08, 2015, 12:44:03 AM
i think everyone just needs to grow up, realise he aint a perfect robot goal scoring machine like everyone wants him to be, get out of his personal life (or what you hear in the bullsh*t papers), understand hes human and made mistakes, realise he WILL make more mistakes like all of us have done or will do...

and get behind the kid!
would you smile if you were playing infront of a bunch of people who just speak negative about you?

we have such negative support, its shocking.

i couldn't give a damn if hes smiling, dancing, crying or doing backflips! if hes a west brom player and scoring goals... why get rid of him then moan because we aint got a bloody goal scorer?!
I wrote a post yesterday in which I voiced the same opinion on this non-issue! It's not as if he has handed in transfer requests or been seen putting his hand up waving the old bird towards the fans as he walks out of the tunnel at the start of a match or on his way to the bench after being subbed. I know those are extreme examples but it goes along with the extreme reactions some are having. He has made the same mistakes any of us have made such as overreacting or saying something without thinking where later you regret ever opening your mouth and I'm sure even the most innocent of us have driven after having a bit to much to drink. Saido is no Odemwingie not by a long shot but if things continue like they are we will find ourselves in a similar situation where no matter who is at fault and if they were right or wrong in the end were losing our top goalscorer that we know for a fact can score goals. PO's actions towards the end of his time here were unforgivable. I wasn't thrilled about losing him even though those last months his performances matched his attitude but the damage was irreversible and I wanted him gone. I'll admit with the money athletes make I don't feel sorry for them when their lives become public it goes with the territory but they are not perfect and unless they are prone to committing serious felonies I could hardly care, for me its about results on the pitch so unless Saido runs a dogfighting ring, smacks his girlfriends around or becomes like OJ Simpson I want to keep him around as long as possible because his goals help us win matches, period!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 08, 2015, 07:42:14 AM
I wrote a post yesterday in which I voiced the same opinion on this non-issue! It's not as if he has handed in transfer requests or been seen putting his hand up waving the old bird towards the fans as he walks out of the tunnel at the start of a match or on his way to the bench after being subbed. I know those are extreme examples but it goes along with the extreme reactions some are having. He has made the same mistakes any of us have made such as overreacting or saying something without thinking where later you regret ever opening your mouth and I'm sure even the most innocent of us have driven after having a bit to much to drink. Saido is no Odemwingie not by a long shot but if things continue like they are we will find ourselves in a similar situation where no matter who is at fault and if they were right or wrong in the end were losing our top goalscorer that we know for a fact can score goals. PO's actions towards the end of his time here were unforgivable. I wasn't thrilled about losing him even though those last months his performances matched his attitude but the damage was irreversible and I wanted him gone. I'll admit with the money athletes make I don't feel sorry for them when their lives become public it goes with the territory but they are not perfect and unless they are prone to committing serious felonies I could hardly care, for me its about results on the pitch so unless Saido runs a dogfighting ring, smacks his girlfriends around or becomes like OJ Simpson I want to keep him around as long as possible because his goals help us win matches, period!
at last a bit of sense, pulis would be mad to sell the only player who scores goals for us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on January 08, 2015, 08:01:02 AM
Sorry for any confusion :) I'm trying to make the point that being a team player is one thing but it can be difficult to know when it is appropriate to be mercenary with regards to his own career and development and when and how to show loyalty to what is, with the best will in the world, to all intents and purposes a fickle fan base. This is not unique to SB or us of course simply part of the cold reality of the modern world.  Not pointing fingers as much as trying to encourage understanding for someone who is struggling to make sense of a crazy lifestyle that would challenge the best of us.

I think its being mercenary when the point of a move is based on not whats best for you at doing your job but whats best for your bank account.
Most people follow the later i'm afraid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on January 08, 2015, 08:13:21 AM
It'll be interesting to read the reactions on this thread if Saido bangs in a hat-trick against Hull on Saturday! Its not beyond the realms of possibility!
For what my opinions worth I'd do everything in my power to keep him at the Hawthorns, goal scorers are, and always will be, the most highly prized of footballers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 08, 2015, 08:21:58 AM
It'll be interesting to read the reactions on this thread if Saido bangs in a hat-trick against Hull on Saturday! Its not beyond the realms of possibility!
For what my opinions worth I'd do everything in my power to keep him at the Hawthorns, goal scorers are, and always will be, the most highly prized of footballers.


i totally agree
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 08, 2015, 08:41:28 AM
I think 90% of fans want to keep Berahino, just agree that he needs a guide in the right direction at times.

I would love to see him stay, score goals and became a legend here, but lets be realistic, players dont tend to stay at clubs too long anymore, especially if they are half decent.

We cant be naive when we are talking about 20-25 million pound for a player we have produced, if someone had said that to me 5 years ago I would have left and asked what drugs they were on.

20-25 million for a club like us is MASSIVE money.

Dont get me wrong, I would love to see him stay, and I will back the kid as long as hes wearing our strip, but at the end of the day he doesnt support this club and dont kid yourself if you think he would turn down a big move to stay here, because I honestly dont think he would.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 08, 2015, 10:52:07 AM
I think its being mercenary when the point of a move is based on not whats best for you at doing your job but whats best for your bank account.
Most people follow the later i'm afraid.

I agree however plenty of us are also talking about cashing in on the player. A marriage of convenience is not necessarily the warmest of relationships.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 08, 2015, 11:49:04 AM
Townsend has come out and said hes not willing to leave Spurs aswell.

Can cross that swap deal off the list.

I would like us to still be looking at Lennon though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jamesa2407 on January 08, 2015, 01:02:56 PM
Tottenham aren't willing to pay the money for him in January, Townsend doesn't want to leave spurs.

None starter for me. I think the press built it up a lot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on January 08, 2015, 06:23:00 PM
England U21 award for Berahino

Read more at: https://www.clubcall.com/west-bromwich-albion/england-u21-award-for-berahino-1754185.html?

Well done lad!!





Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on January 08, 2015, 06:23:42 PM
Saido Berahino wins England U21s Player of the Year award  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06SpcaJvk3c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06SpcaJvk3c)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on January 08, 2015, 07:26:24 PM
Saido Berahino wins England U21s Player of the Year award  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06SpcaJvk3c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06SpcaJvk3c)

A very talented chap looking happy in his job :D

Well done!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on January 08, 2015, 07:41:06 PM
Saido Berahino wins England U21s Player of the Year award  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06SpcaJvk3c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06SpcaJvk3c)

Hopefully he'll be smiling and celebrating like that on Saturday  8)

Great reward for his efforts in the 21s
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wimbledon baggie on January 08, 2015, 07:47:52 PM
Talk of £12-15m now ::)

Seems too low for me. Shane Long or Berahino?? I know which is better value.

We gotta keep this lad until he bursts onto the England scene and then he will be worth £30m+
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on January 08, 2015, 07:51:58 PM
Talk of £12-15m now ::)

Seems too low for me. Shane Long or Berahino?? I know which is better value.

We gotta keep this lad until he bursts onto the England scene and then he will be worth £30m+

There isnt a hope that JP will sell him for that sort of money!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 08, 2015, 08:06:22 PM
There isnt a hope that JP will sell him for that sort of money!

Who comes up with these figures? The Club certainly doesn't, so to all intents and purposes they are pie in the sky.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 08, 2015, 08:10:59 PM
We have him under contract till summer 2017, so that's two full seasons after this one.

Not a chance in hell he'll go for £15m and I very much doubt he'll move at all this Jan.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on January 08, 2015, 08:29:38 PM
Has Brian Clough would say "Well done young man"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 09, 2015, 06:09:29 PM
Pulis on Berahino

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-tony-pulis-not-8415563

Tony Pulis says West Bromwich Albion are keen to keep hold of top scorer Saido Berahino but the future appears less bright for Brown Ideye.

Ideye is one of a number of players Albion are keen to move on and that may not be as difficult as it sounds due to the structure of his £8.8 million summer move from Dynamo Kiev.

The majority of the record fee is based on appearances and goals but even so a move to an English club for the 26 year-old looks unlikely.

Berahino is likely to remain at The Hawthorns due to the big clubs as yet being unwilling to take a risk on the 21-year-old.

Stoke's Marc Muniesa in action with West Brom's Brown IdeyeRecord signing Brown Ideye could be moved on but a switch to an English club looks unlikely
“For everyone we’d like to keep him,” Pulis said.

“If you are asking me whether I want to sell him now, not at all because he has been absolutely first class.

“We’ve had no offers for Saido, he is scoring goals and been a pleasure to work with.

“He has been the last on the training ground every morning, been doing extra with Kempy (Dave Kemp) and Jewely (Paul Jewell), the important thing is we have to make sure he has a clear mind when he goes on the football pitch.

“You have a situation where Luis Suarez goes from Liverpool when they finished second last year and they sell him because it was the right deal for the football club.

PICTURES - Saido Berahino's career:

 Saido Berahino scores for Albion to make it 2-1 against Manchester United


“Everyone is available in every shape and form and there’s no difference about that. Saido’s been the first on the training ground every morning and the last to leave.

“What we need to make sure is he has a clear mind. We’ve had a chat about that and he’s been smashing.”

Pulis wants to bring in two signings at least.

“The chairman has been very helpful in terms of understanding that we need players in - we want players in who will improve the squad.

“It’s important we get better players in but this will be the toughest window because there isn’t long and we have to get the quality in.

“We’ve got everything here to be a Premier League club. But we need results to ensure we are.”


Three points from this
a) No offers
b) Pulis not minded to sell him
c) He is working well under the new regime

Okay it doesn't rule out Spurs or L'pool coming in with a stupid bid latter in the window but unless something happens to dramatically alter the situation Saido is staying put for the time being.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 09, 2015, 06:14:04 PM
This pretty much should kill speculation for the time being from the B'ham Mail

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-tony-pulis-not-8415563

Tony Pulis says West Bromwich Albion are keen to keep hold of top scorer Saido Berahino but the future appears less bright for Brown Ideye.

Ideye is one of a number of players Albion are keen to move on and that may not be as difficult as it sounds due to the structure of his £8.8 million summer move from Dynamo Kiev.

The majority of the record fee is based on appearances and goals but even so a move to an English club for the 26 year-old looks unlikely.

Berahino is likely to remain at The Hawthorns due to the big clubs as yet being unwilling to take a risk on the 21-year-old.

Stoke's Marc Muniesa in action with West Brom's Brown IdeyeRecord signing Brown Ideye could be moved on but a switch to an English club looks unlikely
“For everyone we’d like to keep him,” Pulis said.

“If you are asking me whether I want to sell him now, not at all because he has been absolutely first class.

“We’ve had no offers for Saido, he is scoring goals and been a pleasure to work with.

“He has been the last on the training ground every morning, been doing extra with Kempy (Dave Kemp) and Jewely (Paul Jewell), the important thing is we have to make sure he has a clear mind when he goes on the football pitch.

“You have a situation where Luis Suarez goes from Liverpool when they finished second last year and they sell him because it was the right deal for the football club.

PICTURES - Saido Berahino's career:

 Saido Berahino scores for Albion to make it 2-1 against Manchester United
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“Everyone is available in every shape and form and there’s no difference about that. Saido’s been the first on the training ground every morning and the last to leave.

“What we need to make sure is he has a clear mind. We’ve had a chat about that and he’s been smashing.”

Pulis wants to bring in two signings at least.

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“The chairman has been very helpful in terms of understanding that we need players in - we want players in who will improve the squad.

“It’s important we get better players in but this will be the toughest window because there isn’t long and we have to get the quality in.

“We’ve got everything here to be a Premier League club. But we need results to ensure we are.”


If any of the strikers are to be sold to raise funds Brown Ideye looks the most likely candidate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 09, 2015, 07:14:32 PM
Lennon in
ings in
crouch in
nzonzi in
maybe mcmannaman in

saido out
olsson out
dorrans out
maybe one of mulumbu or yacob out

not what i want , tis what i think will happen
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 10, 2015, 12:26:13 AM
I've watched the presser this is from. Ideye wasn't mentioned so why he is in at the top of the story I have no idea. He conceded everyone has a price, citing Suarez as an example. He also said ALL the lads had been superb. He said Saido was doing extra training at the end of sessions and his attitude was very good. Then again why would he say anything different?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albiondean on January 10, 2015, 02:04:06 AM
I  just cant see us selling him in this window, even if we get silly money it wont benefit us at this moment in time, ok just say we get 25 mil for him in this window, who are we going to replace him with ? and other clubs are going to know weve got all that money to spend, so their prices for any strikers are going to go up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 10, 2015, 06:07:51 PM
absolutely madness if we sell him now. will considerably increase our chances of going down.

plus if we hang on to him and he bangs in another 10 goals, we might get £30-35m for him...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM
MoM today for me. Switch off the phone JP  :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 10, 2015, 08:51:18 PM
Where on earth would we be without this kid eh? The only player on the park today with that extra little spark. Worked his socks off and deserved his goal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: benladdie3000 on January 10, 2015, 09:05:32 PM
Theres nobody to replace him. Its fine to hell him as long as it means he stays here till end of season. Hes our best player and we need 6 months to scout and find a proper replacement not a stop gap. Plus if we keep him till summer his stock will only increase and hjs goals may very well keep us up
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on January 10, 2015, 09:29:58 PM
This kid is going to be special. He oozes class! Scary to think that there are 5/6 players in the academy at the moment who are rated higher than berahino was.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on January 10, 2015, 10:25:51 PM
Saido Berahino @SBerahino  ·  1h 1 hour ago
Hope i dont make any headlines for over celebrating, joke aside though- what a strong team performance we shown today #GodIsGood
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 10, 2015, 10:31:18 PM
Saido Berahino @SBerahino  ·  1h 1 hour ago
Hope i dont make any headlines for over celebrating, joke aside though- what a strong team performance we shown today #GodIsGood

Not very holy when he is on the laughing gas or drink driving is he!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 10, 2015, 10:42:20 PM
Not very holy when he is on the laughing gas or drink driving is he!

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone...

 ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ihsaan on January 10, 2015, 11:26:38 PM
If anybody wants to think about how good this kid is, he currently has 2 more goals than Aston Villa in all competitions this season...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 10, 2015, 11:30:59 PM
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone...

 ;)

Agree, but I find Berahino a bit of a hypocrite.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 10, 2015, 11:36:08 PM
Why have you got bondage chains as your avatar?
 :o
(I know really)  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 11, 2015, 01:04:19 AM
If anybody wants to think about how good this kid is, he currently has 2 more goals than Aston Villa in all competitions this season...

I actually did lol! Brilliant!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on January 11, 2015, 02:49:41 AM
He was definitely M ot M today. The goal capped his performance, but overall alot of intelligent link up play, extremly good at working the ball in tight spaces, and has the pace to get away from defenders and markers. 
We are going to need his goals. Even if we got alot of money for him, I cannot see us finding a forward able to score his goals. They are certainly not going to come from our other forwards.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 11, 2015, 06:56:41 AM
If anybody wants to think about how good this kid is, he currently has 2 more goals than Aston Villa in all competitions this season...

Villa have almost as many red cards as goals this season!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on January 11, 2015, 08:33:10 AM
Not very holy when he is on the laughing gas or drink driving is he!
He's also not the only twenty one year old not to be a prat! He makes loads of mistakes in his personal life but we all do so give him a break.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on January 11, 2015, 08:40:02 AM
He's also not the only twenty one year old not to be a prat! He makes loads of mistakes in his personal life but we all do so give him a break.


Not quite, he needs to grow up and man up quick. If he doesn't his football career could be over before he blinks not to mention his liberty. Berahino is a class act, a real talent, I just hope he doesn't throw it all away being a naive, adolescent know all. There will be people advising him but they can't run his life for him. He talks like an idiot (his gangsta, childish rubbish) and at times he's acted the same. He needs to wise up and realise he's a man now, not a boy. The day he does that everyone, himself included benefits.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RuncornBaggie on January 11, 2015, 10:12:52 AM
No reason he shouldn't be involved.

His court appearance is in Runcorn so he's only 20 minutes or so away.

I will drop him off in trusted carriage if he is unable to drive himself........for a small fee! ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 11, 2015, 03:44:32 PM
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone...

 ;)

#TLMS
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 12, 2015, 04:58:44 PM
serious offers this week according to Durham and his sources. Durham also said hes too good for us >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 12, 2015, 05:01:29 PM
serious offers this week according to Durham and his sources. Durham also said hes too good for us >:(

Durham is a bloke who wants you to get angry/ inebriated off/ etc at him so you call up.

No serious offer will come this week, anything that comes will be after his court case next week.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on January 12, 2015, 05:03:29 PM
serious offers this week according to Durham and his sources. Durham also said hes too good for us >:(

Durham is a fool, only sauces he has are on his breakfast
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 13, 2015, 06:14:16 PM
Not only that but he is nowhere near worth 65k a week.

Giving him 65k a week will ruin him, his billy big time attitude would only be enhanced with such a wage.



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 13, 2015, 06:17:09 PM
Not only that but he is nowhere near worth 65k a week.

Giving him 65k a week will ruin him, his billy big time attitude would only be enhanced with such a wage.
just cant see us paying anyone 65k a week, and rightly so.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on January 13, 2015, 06:38:08 PM
Lennon in
ings in
crouch in
nzonzi in
maybe mcmannaman in

saido out
olsson out
dorrans out
maybe one of mulumbu or yacob out

not what i want , tis what i think will happen

I really cannot see us signing all of them. Would be great if we did
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 13, 2015, 07:24:21 PM
I really cannot see us signing all of them. Would be great if we did

I can't see us signing any of them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on January 16, 2015, 12:10:19 PM
Dan Pallett ‏@Dan_Pallett  4m4 minutes ago
Saido Berahino has pleaded guilty to drink driving at North Cheshire Magistrates Court. He's been fined £3,400 and banned for 12 months #wba
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 16, 2015, 12:21:06 PM
didn't think he was in court until Feb?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: monkey nuts on January 16, 2015, 12:21:29 PM
fair enough
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: monkey nuts on January 16, 2015, 12:22:26 PM
didn't think he was in court until Feb?

supposed to have been Monday so perhaps he's changed his plea
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on January 16, 2015, 12:23:49 PM
didn't think he was in court until Feb?

I think it was meant to Monday, club seem to have got it moved today.

http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/11730664.Premier_League_footballer_Saido_Berahino_fined_and_banned_for_Thelwall_Viaduct_drink_driving_offence/?ref=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 16, 2015, 12:29:28 PM
Lets just hope this is the last time hes in the headlines for the wrong reasons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on January 16, 2015, 12:48:29 PM
12 months is the minimum as well isn't it. So suggests he would have been on 2-3 pints or equivalent, rather than absolutely steaming.

This doesn't make it ok, but its not the reckless stupidity beyond what a lot of people have done at 21.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 16, 2015, 01:05:54 PM
I think it was meant to Monday, club seem to have got it moved today.

http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/11730664.Premier_League_footballer_Saido_Berahino_fined_and_banned_for_Thelwall_Viaduct_drink_driving_offence/?ref=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


I bet he is in big trouble with his mum!!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on January 16, 2015, 01:10:25 PM
Blessings, god is great.

 ;)

12 months ban and a £3,400 fine.

Well now that's all sorted he can crack on scoring. Nailed on to score on Monday night.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on January 16, 2015, 01:11:40 PM
Now he'll have to work the weekend in order to pay the fine.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 16, 2015, 01:28:39 PM
Now he'll have to work the weekend in order to pay the fine.

Perhaps we can organise a collection for him ;D ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on January 16, 2015, 01:37:40 PM
Let's hope he doesn't get behind a wheel while he is bloody banned .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 16, 2015, 01:42:57 PM
Let's hope he doesn't get behind a wheel while he is bloody banned .

I'll give it three months.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 16, 2015, 01:55:05 PM
Let's hope he doesn't get behind a wheel while he is bloody banned .

I would hope the club organise a chauffeur minder for him to keep him on the straight and narrow.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on January 16, 2015, 02:02:20 PM
I would hope the club organise a chauffeur minder for him to keep him on the straight and narrow.

I would hope not, at least not at anybody's expense other than his own. He has to learn a lesson and rewarding him by providing a chauffeur wouldn't help him to do that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: merson94 on January 16, 2015, 02:07:47 PM
I think it’s the wakeup call he needs in my opinion, hopefully now he'll appreciate what he’s got and start focusing on his career with us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 16, 2015, 02:23:50 PM
Lucky Lucky Boy!!

He has received his sentence now and as far as I'm concerned its case closed

Lets hope he sorts his life out and learns from his mistakes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 16, 2015, 02:45:32 PM
Absolutely, draw a line under the issue now. Fingers crossed he's learnt his lesson, he isn't the first youngster to make such a mistake and he certainly won't be the last. With any luck the only talking point about him from now on will be about his performances on the pitch.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 16, 2015, 04:36:55 PM
any idea what the bonus is for putting one in the onion bag?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on January 16, 2015, 08:12:54 PM
He can split the cost of a chauffeur with Sess now that they are both banned
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 16, 2015, 08:37:27 PM
Glad it's sorted. Needs to get his head down.

Another 10 goals and he'll get his dream move in the summer and we'll get about £35 million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 16, 2015, 10:46:12 PM
He now gets to sleep on it, and get it through his head.
He can then put the court case behind him and concentrate on his career.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on January 17, 2015, 02:13:03 PM
He now gets to sleep on it, and get it through his head.
He can then put the court case behind him and concentrate on his career.

If he wants to be the best and get international honours, he needs to change his reputation. Whether his attitude is bad or not, he has been labelled and it seems to me he has fallen behind players like Ings and Kane since he was called up. Rooney and Sturridge have millage left have and theres also Austin, before anyone else breaks through in the next few years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 19, 2015, 04:03:29 PM
Lets hope his mind is now fully focussed without the worry of his pre drink driving conviction
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on January 20, 2015, 10:47:09 AM
Read in The Sun (take it with a pinch of salt) that we are trying to extend his contract by years and more than double his wage to 50k a week. I wonder if contract talks will now begin again after his court case has now been sorted?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on January 20, 2015, 10:48:00 AM
Read in The Sun (take it with a pinch of salt) that we are trying to extend his contract by years and more than double his wage to 50k a week. I wonder if contract talks will now begin again after his court case has now been sorted?

May well be the case. Wise move to offer him a contract as we are bound to get bids in the summer. Increases his value
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on January 20, 2015, 04:35:00 PM
Peace issues Saido not for sale statement:

Peace: 'Saido can put an unhappy chapter behind him.'
ALBION chairman Jeremy Peace remains resolute over the future of Saido Berahino after welcoming signs of a fresh start by the club’s England striker.

Berahino closed an unsettling chapter in his life on Friday with his appearance at Runcorn Magistrates Court where he pleaded guilty to drink-driving charges and was banned from driving for a year and fined £3,400.

The 21-year-old striker was happy to leave behind all the media attention that has accompanied the case and focus solely once again on his football - and a recent return to top form which has seen him score six goals in three games.
 
Peace has welcomed the signs of Berahino’s sparkle returning and re-iterated his earlier view that the Academy graduate will not be considered for sale during the January transfer window.
 
"I think we are all relieved that we can now draw a line under this episode,” said Peace.
 
"The Club takes seriously the charges to which Saido pleaded guilty and as a result he will be subject to the Club’s disciplinary procedures.
 
"This unfortunate episode has been unsettling for the club generally and Saido specifically.
 
 
"What has been pleasing for everyone around the club has been the clear sign that Saido has responded positively to the arrival of Tony Pulis and a new coaching team and is displaying clear signs of showing that where it matters most – on the pitch.
 
"Tony has certainly been delighted with him and it is heartening for everyone to see a young man moving forward in the right direction again.
 
"I said in the autumn that the club had no interest in selling Saido and that remains the case. Unless Tony decides otherwise, the view will surely be that he is far too important to us to consider trading. His goals are capable of keeping us in the Premier League and would be hugely difficult to replace.
 
"I wanted to take this opportunity to clarify the position and the club’s thinking to our supporters now that Saido can put this unhappy chapter behind him."
 
Peace added: "Saido has been here from a very young age and he must realise how everyone at West Bromwich Albion has nothing but his best interests at heart.
 
"We have always looked after him and we are all genuinely pleased to see such encouraging signs that he is back on track."
   
Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/berahino-jeremy-peace-west-bromwich-albion-baggies-2215836.aspx#sqHF18cWeUl81ifM.99
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on January 20, 2015, 04:42:40 PM
Nice one JP. Like him or loathe him, it's difficult to argue against the sentiment that Saido is very important to us.

Mind you, good job I'm not in charge, I would have got rid last season as I thought he had shot his bolt. ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 20, 2015, 04:46:55 PM
A good message from the chairman.

According to the BBC Sport site [gossip - make what you will of that] it is reported that WBA are going to offer him more than double his wages. So providing its OK with his mom he will hopefully stay, and as the chairman says put this episode behind him.

Personally I would like to see two good seasons out of him and I would say that he would have earned the big money move he will no doubt get.

Lets not forget it was only late last season when he got a thumping from Mozza for not taking a ball into the corner........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on January 20, 2015, 04:52:03 PM
Peace issues Saido not for sale statement:

Peace: 'Saido can put an unhappy chapter behind him.'
ALBION chairman Jeremy Peace remains resolute over the future of Saido Berahino after welcoming signs of a fresh start by the club’s England striker.

Berahino closed an unsettling chapter in his life on Friday with his appearance at Runcorn Magistrates Court where he pleaded guilty to drink-driving charges and was banned from driving for a year and fined £3,400.

The 21-year-old striker was happy to leave behind all the media attention that has accompanied the case and focus solely once again on his football - and a recent return to top form which has seen him score six goals in three games.
 
Peace has welcomed the signs of Berahino’s sparkle returning and re-iterated his earlier view that the Academy graduate will not be considered for sale during the January transfer window.
 
"I think we are all relieved that we can now draw a line under this episode,” said Peace.
 
"The Club takes seriously the charges to which Saido pleaded guilty and as a result he will be subject to the Club’s disciplinary procedures.
 
"This unfortunate episode has been unsettling for the club generally and Saido specifically.
 
 
"What has been pleasing for everyone around the club has been the clear sign that Saido has responded positively to the arrival of Tony Pulis and a new coaching team and is displaying clear signs of showing that where it matters most – on the pitch.
 
"Tony has certainly been delighted with him and it is heartening for everyone to see a young man moving forward in the right direction again.
 
"I said in the autumn that the club had no interest in selling Saido and that remains the case. Unless Tony decides otherwise, the view will surely be that he is far too important to us to consider trading. His goals are capable of keeping us in the Premier League and would be hugely difficult to replace.
 
"I wanted to take this opportunity to clarify the position and the club’s thinking to our supporters now that Saido can put this unhappy chapter behind him."
 
Peace added: "Saido has been here from a very young age and he must realise how everyone at West Bromwich Albion has nothing but his best interests at heart.
 
"We have always looked after him and we are all genuinely pleased to see such encouraging signs that he is back on track."
   
Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/berahino-jeremy-peace-west-bromwich-albion-baggies-2215836.aspx#sqHF18cWeUl81ifM.99

If further evidence were required of TP's control of footballing issues, then look no further than that sentence from the Chairman
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 20, 2015, 06:54:24 PM
Yes and why not pay him the going rate as a striker who can score like him will cost at LEAST that!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on January 20, 2015, 09:03:46 PM
although anchibe had one of his best games v everton,i cant understand why he is still not played as the centre forward that's his best position and one that gets us the goals,to ask him to defend v everton was a waste,i can understand the thinking in anchibe trying to hold up the ball with his back to goal,but equally if berahino had played centre,morrison and brunt could have tried to play balls behind for berahino to run on to
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: orville on January 23, 2015, 12:07:04 AM
This is turning in to madness, first not for sale, but now a maybe with a big offer!!!.We cannot possibly let him go if we don't have a first class replacement already signed !!!!!!. There is no point selling him for a massive amount money then hoping to find a replacement before deadline day, as they might never arrive.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2922620/West-Brom-manager-Tony-Pulis-warns-Saido-Berahino-won-t-sold-Baggies-firepower-Premier-League-battle.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490


http://www.espnfc.co.uk/west-bromwich-albion/story/2259503/saido-berahino-wont-be-dealt-on-deadline-dayssays-west-broms-tony-pulis
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on January 23, 2015, 12:40:36 AM
This is turning in to madness, first not for sale, but now a maybe with a big offer!!!.We cannot possibly let him go if we don't have a first class replacement already signed !!!!!!. There is no point selling him for a massive amount money then hoping to find a replacement before deadline day, as they might never arrive.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2922620/West-Brom-manager-Tony-Pulis-warns-Saido-Berahino-won-t-sold-Baggies-firepower-Premier-League-battle.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490


http://www.espnfc.co.uk/west-bromwich-albion/story/2259503/saido-berahino-wont-
be-dealt-on-deadline-dayssays-west-broms-tony-pulis



Let's replace him with Ameobi lol, ameobi and Victor up front what a threat
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on January 23, 2015, 01:54:47 AM
This is turning in to madness, first not for sale, but now a maybe with a big offer!!!.We cannot possibly let him go if we don't have a first class replacement already signed !!!!!!. There is no point selling him for a massive amount money then hoping to find a replacement before deadline day, as they might never arrive.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2922620/West-Brom-manager-Tony-Pulis-warns-Saido-Berahino-won-t-sold-Baggies-firepower-Premier-League-battle.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490


http://www.espnfc.co.uk/west-bromwich-albion/story/2259503/saido-berahino-wont-be-dealt-on-deadline-dayssays-west-broms-tony-pulis

The stance from within the club has always been the same regarding Saido. They Dont want to sell him and rightly so. It would be crazy for anyone to sell their top scorer half way through the campaign. Pulis is probably getting very frustrated with answering questions about Berahinio. I've never seen a coach have to talk about one player so much during a window as Pulis has had to with Berahinio. I personally Dont think we will sell him this month I think he will go for stupid money in the summer if he hasn't signed a new deal by then. Like I said the club's stance has always been we don'twant to sell Saido but if a bigger club comes in with a ridiculous offer thats simply to good to turn down we will have to reconsider.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on January 23, 2015, 09:47:56 AM
We'd probably need two strikers to have any level of confidence in scoring goals during the remainder of the season e.g. Jordan Rhodes AND Deaney
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on January 27, 2015, 10:49:44 AM
Not posted on this yet but thought he looked well drilled on Saturday. In the second half Pulis shouted him over and I've never seen him run so fast. Went over got some instructions and ran back.

Pulis could be just what Saido needs regards man management. Get him on the straight and narrown and get him firing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 27, 2015, 10:54:21 AM
Not posted on this yet but thought he looked well drilled on Saturday. In the second half Pulis shouted him over and I've never seen him run so fast. Went over got some instructions and ran back.

Pulis could be just what Saido needs regards man management. Get him on the straight and narrown and get him firing.

I would agree with that mate, he did look more focused.

Got himself two assists aswell. He looked really pleased for Vic getting the goals.

I hope he does get his head straight, potential is there to be a very good premier league player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 27, 2015, 11:21:32 AM
He is young and still seems to be a little immature for his age too hence he seems to need one or two players and a manager who can 'put their arm around him'. I think he'll be a top player (play for a top four team) if he can settle down a bit. His technique is good, he's a natural finisher and obviously has a good focus (e.g. penalties under pressure). However, he strikes me as someone who would thrive in a partnership rather than the lone frontman (a la Shane Long) working away. Him and Vic could work in theory if they get better service and Vic stays fit (!!!!)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 27, 2015, 12:24:04 PM
Movement off the ball is very, very good.
This gives him time, space and also options.
Good eye for a pass.
Scores goals with both feet and his head.
Although not blessed with lightening pace he is still pretty quick and also stronger than he looks.
Cracking young player who I sincerely hope that we keep hold of.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on January 30, 2015, 09:43:12 PM
Saido Berahino gives West Brom a boost after edging closer to contract extension

By SAMI MOKBEL

Saido Berahino is close to signing a deal to keep him at the Hawthorns
The 21-year-old signed a three-and-half-year deal in December 2013
It would end speculation linking the England striker with a move to Liverpool and Tottenham
West Brom manager Tony Pulis views him as a vital component in his team



Saido Berahino is set to hand West Bromwich Albion a huge boost by penning a bumper new contract.
Baggies officials have held a fresh round of talks with the striker and his representatives this month over an extension.
And the Midlands club are confident Berahino, who only signed a three-and-half-year deal in December 2013, will put pen to paper sooner rather than later.

The news will end any immediate speculation regarding his future at West Brom, with Liverpool and Tottenham both chasing the hitman this month.
But the club's unwillingness to entertain offers below their £20million asking price, together with the latest round of talks has resulted in Berahino - who is expected to net an increase on his current £12,000-per-week terms - committing his future to the club.
Initial talks over a new deal were shelved earlier in the season, fuelling talk that he could be on his way of the Hawthorns.
But manager Tony Pulis views Berahino, who has broken into Roy Hodgson's England plans this season, as a vital component of his blueprint to beat the drop.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2933495/Saido-Berahino-Baggies-boost-edges-closer-signing-contract-extension.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on January 30, 2015, 09:53:07 PM
Great news if this happens. I've noticed a visible improvement in his attitude and commitment over the last couple of games. Against Everton in particular, asked to play in role that required him to constantly track Coleman, he got on with his job brilliantly, restraining his natural attacking instincts to work tremendously hard for the team. I was hoping Pulis would be the man to man-manage Saido and get him back focused and so far it seems to be working.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 30, 2015, 10:08:45 PM
I think tha "Tone" is letting Saido have a free rein, to be himself.
Under Irvine, this was stifled.
As we all know....
If you can enjoy your job, you perform better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on January 30, 2015, 10:51:21 PM
I think tha "Tone" is letting Saido have a free rein, to be himself.
Under Irvine, this was stifled.
As we all know....
If you can enjoy your job, you perform better.
He had anything but a free rein at Everton. As someone said he may as well have had number 3 on his back. Shouldn't forget he was playing well for Irvine until the England call up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 31, 2015, 01:21:11 AM
There is no way anyone has a "free" role in a Pulis side. If he does sign it is purely down to the money on offer and the fact that no bids have materialised.

Hopefully he will continue to develop and be able to play off the target man rather than as a Centre Forward to date he has not really settled into that role but with time I am sure he will adjust.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on January 31, 2015, 02:37:46 AM
There is no way anyone has a "free" role in a Pulis side. If he does sign it is purely down to the money on offer and the fact that no bids have materialised.

Hopefully he will continue to develop and be able to play off the target man rather than as a Centre Forward to date he has not really settled into that role but with time I am sure he will adjust.

you hit the nail on the head.

media beats up alot of supposed interest but reality is somewhat different
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on January 31, 2015, 11:02:50 AM
good interview in the sun today with ian wright worth a read
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 31, 2015, 11:37:37 AM
http://www.thfclatest.com/2013/01/31/berahino-interview-on-his-past-future/

WEST BROM striker Saido Berahino has made headlines on both the front and back pages this season.

Here the 21-year-old tells Ian Wright about his fledgling England career, transfer talk, a drink-driving conviction and a certain lack of goal celebrations . . .

Q — SAIDO, everyone had a say when you didn’t celebrate your four goals against Gateshead. What was the story behind that?


A — WHEN I look back, I can see how people thought I was being disrespectful but I didn’t mean anything like that to Gateshead fans, West Brom fans, either club or anyone.

I didn’t celebrate because I was carrying an injury and shouldn’t have played.

The day before I’d had a chat with the doctor, went for a scan and it had shown something. But it was the gaffer’s first game, he wanted to put out a strong team and win the game, so I played.

I was a bit vexed because I knew I wasn’t right and my mind wasn’t really there. I celebrated when I scored the next week against Hull, just as I had the week before against West Ham.

It was only after the Gateshead game, when everyone was speaking about it, that I realised how it must have seemed. But it won’t be something I do again. I will be celebrating every goal I get.

Q — THERE was also the drink-driving case. What happened there?

A — PEOPLE think I’m a crazy guy, who’s gone straight into the Premier League and let everything go to his head.

Well I can tell them I’m anything but. Yes it’s gone great, scoring goals for West Brom, being named England Under-21s player of the year and getting into the full squad.

But I’m still the same guy, it’s not suddenly gone to my head.

I made a massive mistake with the drink-driving thing, and that’s something I’ll carry with me forever.

I was going to watch Liverpool against Real Madrid but couldn’t get a ticket.

Instead I went to a bar in Manchester to watch it with some friends. I was driving back and was only over the limit by one.

That’s not to excuse what I did but just to say it wasn’t like I was way, way over the top. But it was stupid, I was in the wrong and it’s not a mistake I’ll ever make again.

Q — HOW much of an influence is your mum, Lilian, and what was it like breaking the news of your drink-driving to her?

A — MY dad passed on when I was four, my sisters are a lot older — the youngest is 32 — and it has always been me and my mum.

That’s another reason I was so gutted with the drink-driving.

I was more scared about telling her than anything else because if I play to please anyone, it’s her.

She lives with me and for her I am probably out of line all the time!

But she is always there to tell me the good things too, although she doesn’t like coming to games, she tends to stay at home because she gets too nervous.

Q — SHE must have been more delighted than anyone when you got that England call then.

A — THERE was a lot of talk saying I might get in and it was announced on my day off.

I got a call in telling me I was in and then saw Roy Hodgson’s press conference.

It was an unbelievable moment. Mum was downstairs watching the conference on telly and couldn’t believe it either.

We just both sat there and had no words.

She was at Wembley and really gutted when I didn’t play. But it was still the best time ever, just to be training with people like Wayne Rooney.

It was unbelievable.

Q — THEN the picture came out of you looking glum on the England bench.

A — I WAS delighted to get called up in the first place, obviously. It is everyone’s dream to play at Wembley and the picture of me looking fed up just happened to catch me in that millisecond.

Of course I’d have loved to get on the pitch but hopefully that day will come soon.

Q — YET just two years ago you had a terrible injury. Tell us about that.


A — I WAS on loan at Peterborough and snapped my patella. I wasn’t even on the pitch, it was in the gym.

I was just squatting when it went but I didn’t really feel it, it just swelled up. Then they found a crack and had to remove half of it from one knee.

The doctor told me it would be hard to reach what I wanted to achieve after that. I was out for nine months but these days it’s actually stronger than the other one.

Q — NOW you find yourself being linked to the likes of Arsenal, Manchester United and Liverpool. How flattering is that?

A — OF course it’s really flattering but I won’t be getting carried away. First things first.

I want to carry on my development where I am. It’s not as though I can complain about anything is it? Proving myself every time I play is all that matters right now. I want to score as many as I can for West Brom and by doing that, the rest will look after itself.

If I am doing so well for West Brom to the point that I do leave in the future, I want to make sure I am ready for it.

I don’t want to go before then. But it’s not about money — if it was I’d have signed a new deal at West Brom a while ago, because they were offering me a lot more dough.

Q — YOU’VE got two years left on your contract but what’s the state of play on a new one?

A — WEST BROM offered me a new deal two months ago and people thought they pulled out of it when the drink-driving thing came up.

But it was me who didn’t sign — why rush it? I have two years left anyway, there’s no panic. I told the chairman I wanted to make sure I was back on track, I wanted to be scoring goals and I wanted to be doing well for West Brom.

Nothing more than that.

And I want the fans to know whenever I pull on the shirt, they will get nothing less than 100 per cent from me.

Q — WHAT’S your next target then?

A — IT’S the Euros next year and that is my next aim. I’d love to think I could be in the frame for that. I have been in the England squad and I want more goals in the Premier League so I get the chance again.

It’s not out of reach — a lot of youngsters have been in the team and I’d love to be one of them.

Q — TAKE us back to your first Premier League goal at Old Trafford last season. It must have been a special moment.

A — IT was but I can’t remember what happened afterwards. My mind went blank. I cut in from the left and ‘bam’, I hit it with my left and the crowd went silent.

I remember the one against them at home this season much better. I was one on one, took two touches and it was a goal. That did me so much good, the Premier League, a big game, high-profile opponents and scoring — that’s when people seemed to start taking more notice.

Q — DO you find yourself setting higher and higher standards these days then?

A — AT the start of the season I wanted double figures by January — well I did that but not all in the Premier League, which is what I was chasing.

But I am always hard on myself. You look at Ronaldo and Messi and they score three from three chances, so it is possible. That’s what I want to do be doing.

Q — SO do you always think you could have done better?

A — I’D say so. Look at the Everton game, which was so frustrating. I was feeling good and confident but only had one shot, gave the ball away too much, and wasn’t creative enough. That took me a good day or so to get over.

I get the games put on my hard drive and watch to see how and what I could have done better.

Like the Cup game against Birmingham, I played as the number ten and wanted to see my runs, was my first touch going backwards or forwards, that sort of stuff. It does help.

Q — SO I take it you’ll celebrate every goal from now on?

A — I WILL never not celebrate a goal again, even if only with a smile. I know how important they are.

They are the commodity of what I do — and I won’t be making the same mistake again.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on January 31, 2015, 12:41:19 PM
Really good interview that is. Does seem to of realised that he's been a bit of a tool and that he needs to knuckle down and get scoring again.

Interesting to see that he stopped negotiations because he needed to get sorted. Hopefully talks will begin again now and we get him tied down to a long term deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 31, 2015, 01:03:39 PM
Interesting interview I hope it lays a few things to rest. I am absolutely sure he is not with us for the long term even if he does sign a new deal if he does make the Euro squad he will be off that summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 01:10:02 PM
"I didn’t celebrate because I was carrying an injury and shouldn’t have played. The day before I’d had a chat with the doctor, went for a scan and it had shown something. But it was the gaffer’s first game, he wanted to put out a strong team and win the game, so I played. I was a bit vexed because I knew I wasn’t right and my mind wasn’t really there."

Can't believe this is being glossed over. Very irresponsible/short-termist/poor management from Pulis there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on January 31, 2015, 01:17:25 PM
"I didn’t celebrate because I was carrying an injury and shouldn’t have played. The day before I’d had a chat with the doctor, went for a scan and it had shown something. But it was the gaffer’s first game, he wanted to put out a strong team and win the game, so I played. I was a bit vexed because I knew I wasn’t right and my mind wasn’t really there."

Can't believe this is being glossed over. Very irresponsible/short-termist/poor management from Pulis there.

Players play through injury every week. Only the weak minded use a little knock as an excuse not to play. Berahino lasted the whole 90 minutes so he couldn't be too hurt could he?

The same thing happened with Anichibe, in I think the 5th or 6th minute? He pulled up thinking he was injured. Pulis made him carry on and he ended up getting a goal and an assist.

The players mentality must have been a lot weaker under Irvine. Pulis won't stand for them acting like wimps.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andio on January 31, 2015, 01:19:58 PM
"I didn’t celebrate because I was carrying an injury and shouldn’t have played. The day before I’d had a chat with the doctor, went for a scan and it had shown something. But it was the gaffer’s first game, he wanted to put out a strong team and win the game, so I played. I was a bit vexed because I knew I wasn’t right and my mind wasn’t really there."

Can't believe this is being glossed over. Very irresponsible/short-termist/poor management from Pulis there.

He scored 4 goals (against weak opposition granted) and lasted the full 90 minutes, his injury couldn't have been that bad could it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 31, 2015, 01:20:11 PM
"I didn’t celebrate because I was carrying an injury and shouldn’t have played. The day before I’d had a chat with the doctor, went for a scan and it had shown something. But it was the gaffer’s first game, he wanted to put out a strong team and win the game, so I played. I was a bit vexed because I knew I wasn’t right and my mind wasn’t really there."

Can't believe this is being glossed over. Very irresponsible/short-termist/poor management from Pulis there.
If true (& not just Saido romancing :-\ ) it's not shone a bright light on the management, I wouldn't be happy with these comments whether true or not if I were Pulis.
However, I hope he gets a bit vexed & his mind isn't really there today after scoring 4.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 31, 2015, 01:24:58 PM
I didn’t celebrate because I was carrying an injury and shouldn’t have played.

The day before I’d had a chat with the doctor, went for a scan and it had shown something. But it was the gaffer’s first game, he wanted to put out a strong team and win the game, so I played.

I was a bit vexed because I knew I wasn’t right and my mind wasn’t really there. I celebrated when I scored the next week against Hull, just as I had the week before against West Ham.


Doesn't criticise Pulis one bit there. As people are jumping to conclusions that he is claiming he was forced to play it could easily be claimed that he wanted to play with the new gaffer in charge and played knowing he was not right.

But that doesn't make headlines.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 01:28:16 PM
I'm sorry but the doctors orders should always be prioritised, both for the good of the player and the good of the club. Clearly something had shown on a scan, and had it been aggravated during the match (luckily it wasn't), he could have ended up with a much more serious injury. That would've meant him out for key, potentially relegation-deciding Premier League matches, potentially months. This is coming from someone who thinks Berahino is a bit of a tosser and I've criticised him heavily in the past, yet on this score I don't blame him one bit. Very poor management, and I can only assume anyone who doesn't understand this must has very little understanding of human physiology.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 01:32:41 PM
I didn’t celebrate because I was carrying an injury and shouldn’t have played.

The day before I’d had a chat with the doctor, went for a scan and it had shown something. But it was the gaffer’s first game, he wanted to put out a strong team and win the game, so I played.

I was a bit vexed because I knew I wasn’t right and my mind wasn’t really there. I celebrated when I scored the next week against Hull, just as I had the week before against West Ham.


Doesn't criticise Pulis one bit there. As people are jumping to conclusions that he is claiming he was forced to play it could easily be claimed that he wanted to play with the new gaffer in charge and played knowing he was not right.

But that doesn't make headlines.
Of course he's criticising the decision to play him! "I shouldn't have played...a scan had shown something...the gaffer wanted to play me... I was a bit vexed...". He was answering the question of why he refused to celebrate... this is why! You have to completely blind yourself to what he's saying to come to any other conclusion. The only possible comeback to this is to suggest he's lying and there was some other reason for not celebrating, but in terms of what he's saying here, this is unambiguously critical of the management's decision to play him against his and the doctor's wishes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 31, 2015, 01:33:11 PM
I didn’t celebrate because I was carrying an injury and shouldn’t have played.

The day before I’d had a chat with the doctor, went for a scan and it had shown something. But it was the gaffer’s first game, he wanted to put out a strong team and win the game, so I played.

I was a bit vexed because I knew I wasn’t right and my mind wasn’t really there. I celebrated when I scored the next week against Hull, just as I had the week before against West Ham.


Doesn't criticise Pulis one bit there. As people are jumping to conclusions that he is claiming he was forced to play it could easily be claimed that he wanted to play with the new gaffer in charge and played knowing he was not right.

But that doesn't make headlines.

It does appear as though he didn't want to play following medical advice but was pressured into it one assumes by the management, seems fairly straight forward to me, no direct criticism of TP but theres definitely a finger being pointed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on January 31, 2015, 01:33:36 PM
Doctors can get things wrong too.

The medical staff at Stoke said Demba Ba's knee was shot and he failed the medical with epic proportions. Since then he's gone on to score 68 goals for 4 different clubs (passing 4 other medicals in the process).

Olsson and Koschielny have admitted they played through their injuries for 12 months. It happens everywhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 31, 2015, 01:34:11 PM
Just offering a different view as words can be twisted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 31, 2015, 01:36:04 PM
Of course he's criticising the decision to play him! "I shouldn't have played...a scan had shown something...the gaffer wanted to play me... I was a bit vexed...". He was answering the question of why he refused to celebrate... this is why! You have to completely blind yourself to what he's saying to come to any other conclusion. The only possible comeback to this is to suggest he's lying and there was some other reason for not celebrating, but in terms of what he's saying here, this is unambiguously critical of the management's decision to play him against his and the doctor's wishes.

Not blind to anything thanks, just offering a different view as the headlines only work one way for the press.

Doesn't say the gaffer wanted to play him anywhere does it ? Just says it was his first game and he wanted to put out a strong team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 01:36:47 PM
Doctors can get things wrong too.

The medical staff at Stoke said Demba Ba's knee was shot and he failed the medical with epic proportions. Since then he's gone on to score 68 goals for 4 different clubs (passing 4 other medicals in the process).

Olsson and Koschielny have admitted they played through their injuries for 12 months. It happens everywhere.
Of course things don't always turn out as the probabilities suggest, but that doesn't mean you should always take the risk if the medical advice suggests you shouldn't, because most of the time, they get it right. The argument to play against medical advice simply because sometimes you get away with it lacks all logical, rational thought.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 01:40:22 PM
Not blind to anything thanks, just offering a different view as the headlines only work one way for the press.

Doesn't say the gaffer wanted to play him anywhere does it ? Just says it was his first game and he wanted to put out a strong team.
I hate the press as much as anyone, and I also have no good reason for defending Berahino, because I think he's a nob, but theses are actual quotes which are presumably accurate. The quotes do suggest Pulis wanted to play him against his wishes, yes.

He says he "was carrying an injury and shouldn't have played". "The day before I’d had a chat with the doctor, went for a scan and it had shown something. But it was the gaffer’s first game, he wanted to put out a strong team and win the game, so I played." He then goes on to say he was "vexed" by that decision.

I'm not sure how much clearer I can make this for you?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 31, 2015, 01:43:49 PM
Depends how you choose to read it. You have chosen to take it that Pulis forced him to play yet nowhere does it say that.

You are not making anything clear at all because that can be taken in any context you choose. I have no added any words to it to make it one way or another.

It could read that it was the gaffers first game, he wanted to put a strong team out so he felt he needed to make a good impression despite not feeling right. Doesn't say that either does it , just shows how it can be read differently.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 01:46:39 PM
Depends how you choose to read it. You have chosen to take it that Pulis forced him to play yet nowhere does it say that.

You are not making anything clear at all because that can be taken in any context you choose. I have no added any words to it to make it one way or another.

It could read that it was the gaffers first game, he wanted to put a strong team out so he felt he needed to make a good impression despite not feeling right. Doesn't say that either does it , just shows how it can be read differently.
It really doesn't, the context is very clear and you don't even have to read between the lines to infer what he's "saying".

And no, it couldn't read like that because he goes on to say he was "vexed"... why would he be vexed by his own decision? And why would he not celebrate because of his own decision to play? He's answering the question of why he refused to celebrate... this is why. It's unambiguous.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on January 31, 2015, 01:47:11 PM
I didn’t celebrate because I was carrying an injury and shouldn’t have played.

The day before I’d had a chat with the doctor, went for a scan and it had shown something. But it was the gaffer’s first game, he wanted to put out a strong team and win the game, so I played.

I was a bit vexed because I knew I wasn’t right and my mind wasn’t really there. I celebrated when I scored the next week against Hull, just as I had the week before against West Ham.


Doesn't criticise Pulis one bit there. As people are jumping to conclusions that he is claiming he was forced to play it could easily be claimed that he wanted to play with the new gaffer in charge and played knowing he was not right.

But that doesn't make headlines.

I think you are quite right, perhaps naivety and / or an innocent statement can be taken out of context and legs added to it by the headline writers / seekers. We wait to see if there is a response from the club, if they think its worthwhile. Many players have pain killing injections before games every match day, its par for the course, no mention he had a pain killer so it couldn't have been that serious. He came through the game with no problem, so move on and must add to his mental strength.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 31, 2015, 01:49:29 PM
He could be vexed because he knew he made a mistake in playing knowing he was not right.

Nowhere does he claim he was forced to play. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't, we don't know anything from those comments.

I have no idea if he was or not and I cannot see how anyone can make it out either from those comments yet the press claim he was forced and people are taking the press on that headline despite slating them at other times for their sensational headlines.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 01:50:07 PM
I think you are quite right, perhaps naivety and / or an innocent statement can be taken out of context and legs added to it by the headline writers / seekers. We wait to see if there is a response from the club, if they think its worthwhile. Many players have pain killing injections before games every match day, its par for the course, no mention he had a pain killer so it couldn't have been that serious. He came through the game with no problem, so move on and must add to his mental strength.
I'd also like to make it clear this isn't a massive deal- it's done with now and he got through the game without aggravating his injury. He seems to have got over it because he's celebrated in subsequent games, so I certainly don't expect any response from the club. My point is that this is poor management from Pulis- if the doctor says he shouldn't play, and the player agrees, the manager should not play him, especially for a cup tie against Gateshead.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 31, 2015, 01:52:30 PM
The problem with modern day footballers is that they want to be wrapped in cotton wool and want the day off if they are nursing even a slight injury. Bring back the old days when men were men!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 01:52:54 PM
He could be vexed because he knew he made a mistake in playing knowing he was not right.

Nowhere does he claim he was forced to play. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't, we don't know anything from those comments.

I have no idea if he was or not and I cannot see how anyone can make it out either from those comments yet the press claim he was forced and people are taking the press on that headline despite slating them at other times for their sensational headlines.
Massively unconvinced.

It's strongly inferred to put it at its absolute mildest- he couldn't possibly have said more without outright saying Pulis played him against his wishes.

Here's the quote again for everyone to read and make their own minds up:

"I didn’t celebrate because I was carrying an injury and shouldn’t have played.

The day before I’d had a chat with the doctor, went for a scan and it had shown something. But it was the gaffer’s first game, he wanted to put out a strong team and win the game, so I played.

I was a bit vexed because I knew I wasn’t right"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 31, 2015, 01:58:04 PM
Mate, we're going round in circles, not going to change each others views. Truth may or may not come out.

I'm off to the game and hope he does it on the pitch today  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 01:59:19 PM
Mate, we're going round in circles, not going to change each others views. Truth may or may not come out.

I'm off to the game and hope he does it on the pitch today ;)
Me too! Boing Boing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pedro on February 01, 2015, 12:55:19 AM
Sat in East stand today, ball kicked out by Foster to Berahino. He fails to control it and it goes out for a throw in. Lad 3 or 4 rows in front stands up and gives him a few expletives. Now whether he was right or wrong to pick Saido out for a few words is a matter of opinion, personally i don't think it helps. But when a professional footballer turns around and tells a fan to go f**k himself and get out there if he can do any better its a sad day for all. My 2 kids were shocked not by the language but by the shear hate in his voice. I was gobsmacked to be honest, quite frankly I don give a toss whether he stays or goes anymore. After that today and some of the stuff he is coming out with I really am not sure he wants to be around. Wherever he ends up I just hope his attitude to all changes. Harry Kane was superb today, enjoying his football I thought, as for Saido, a really sad figure who really doesn't look like he wants to be there. If that's the case maybe it is time to cash in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on February 01, 2015, 01:10:45 AM
Sat in East stand today, ball kicked out by Foster to Berahino. He fails to control it and it goes out for a throw in. Lad 3 or 4 rows in front stands up and gives him a few expletives. Now whether he was right or wrong to pick Saido out for a few words is a matter of opinion, personally i don't think it helps. But when a professional footballer turns around and tells a fan to go f**k himself and get out there if he can do any better its a sad day for all. My 2 kids were shocked not by the language but by the shear hate in his voice. I was gobsmacked to be honest, quite frankly I don give a toss whether he stays or goes anymore. After that today and some of the stuff he is coming out with I really am not sure he wants to be around. Wherever he ends up I just hope his attitude to all changes. Harry Kane was superb today, enjoying his football I thought, as for Saido, a really sad figure who really doesn't look like he wants to be there. If that's the case maybe it is time to cash in.

If this is the case then it is truly shocking behaviour from Berahino. Just sums up the petulance of the bloke. Imagine if Regis, Cunningham and Batson had reacted that way when they had monkey noises chanted at them every other week? They would have had every right to react to abuse from the crowd back then in the face of that. They didn't and wouldn't have reacted though would they, they were bigger than that, better men than that. For Berahino to use such foul abuse just for one lad telling him he is pooh or suchlike is just unbelievable and inexcusable.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bombersboots on February 01, 2015, 01:12:24 AM
Sat in East stand today, ball kicked out by Foster to Berahino. He fails to control it and it goes out for a throw in. Lad 3 or 4 rows in front stands up and gives him a few expletives. Now whether he was right or wrong to pick Saido out for a few words is a matter of opinion, personally i don't think it helps. But when a professional footballer turns around and tells a fan to go f**k himself and get out there if he can do any better its a sad day for all. My 2 kids were shocked not by the language but by the shear hate in his voice. I was gobsmacked to be honest, quite frankly I don give a toss whether he stays or goes anymore. After that today and some of the stuff he is coming out with I really am not sure he wants to be around. Wherever he ends up I just hope his attitude to all changes. Harry Kane was superb today, enjoying his football I thought, as for Saido, a really sad figure who really doesn't look like he wants to be there. If that's the case maybe it is time to cash in.
It seems to me we have another case of too much to soon in Berahino,  instead of being someone who should be setting a fine example of what a 'god fairing', young high profile sportsman can be, through pure petulance, carelessness and greed he's actually a brilliant promotion of what the premier league is all about.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba606 on February 01, 2015, 01:41:17 AM
fair play to berahino did the right thing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 01, 2015, 01:45:28 AM
If this is the case then it is truly shocking behaviour from Berahino. Just sums up the petulance of the bloke. Imagine if Regis, Cunningham and Batson had reacted that way when they had monkey noises chanted at them every other week? They would have had every right to react to abuse from the crowd back then in the face of that. They didn't and wouldn't have reacted though would they, they were bigger than that, better men than that. For Berahino to use such foul abuse just for one lad telling him he is pooh or suchlike is just unbelievable and inexcusable.
They'd have been lynched... literally.

This sounds alot like give and can't take. It's OK to throw abuse at players that are trying to do a job (try going to a building site and doing this) but when one of them fights back, oh no! How awful is he!?

Also your last line is untrue. It's not just one guy is it? I wouldn't be surprised if that sort of thing has been happening multiple times for the last two seasons not only at matches but in his personal life as well.. Because fans (in the collective term) are massive D**ks.

To reply to Pedro's bit about Kane, maybe because he actually feels wanted by the fans? when was the last time the fans universally liked a player? It HAS to be about 5 years now.

Personally, If I was a player, I wouldn't sign for us... Purely because I could get as good a contract elsewhere with less D**kish fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on February 01, 2015, 01:47:41 AM
fair play to berahino did the right thing

Are you having a laugh?? How on earth can you justify Berahino abusing a supporter who pays his wages? If I'm at work and I make a mistake and my gaffer or a customer makes it known to me, I don't turn round to them and tell them to go and f*** themselves. Berahino is a disgrace if he has acted this way. The bloke is earning more money in a week than I do in a year. If he cant take a bit of criticism he shouldn't be playing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: maccbaggie on February 01, 2015, 01:51:25 AM
They'd have been lynched... literally.

This sounds alot like give and can't take. It's OK to throw abuse at players that are trying to do a job (try going to a building site and doing this) but when one of them fights back, oh no! How awful is he!?

Also your last line is untrue. It's not just one guy is it? I wouldn't be surprised if that sort of thing has been happening multiple times for the last two seasons not only at matches but in his personal life as well.. Because fans (in the collective term) are massive D**ks.

To reply to Pedro's bit about Kane, maybe because he actually feels wanted by the fans? when was the last time the fans universally liked a player? It HAS to be about 5 years now.

Personally, If I was a player, I wouldn't sign for us... Purely because I could get as good a contract elsewhere with less D**kish fans.
It's part of a footballers job to not give back abuse, it's called professionalism. That's akin to a shop assistant abusing a customer and telling them to F off.

The last time all fans have liked a player was two years ago in Gera, although virtually everyone likes Yacob and that's right now... Not exactly 5 years is it.

Although I agree that many fans are as you describe them, it's a complete myth that different clubs have different kinds of fans. The proportion of each kind of fan is more or less the same at every club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on February 01, 2015, 01:53:47 AM
They'd have been lynched... literally.

This sounds alot like give and can't take. It's OK to throw abuse at players that are trying to do a job (try going to a building site and doing this) but when one of them fights back, oh no! How awful is he!?

Also your last line is untrue. It's not just one guy is it? I wouldn't be surprised if that sort of thing has been happening multiple times for the last two seasons not only at matches but in his personal life as well.. Because fans (in the collective term) are massive D**ks.

To reply to Pedro's bit about Kane, maybe because he actually feels wanted by the fans? when was the last time the fans universally liked a player? It HAS to be about 5 years now.

Personally, If I was a player, I wouldn't sign for us... Purely because I could get as good a contract elsewhere with less D**kish fans.

If anyone can't take it is is clearly Berahino. Are you telling me that you have never shouted anything at a player in a fit of built up tension and passion? I think not. If you have never reacted to player then I question your actual support for the Albion as I do with your comment saying that Albion supporters are Dicks. You will not find a more popular set of supporters in the country than Albion. I've watched us at 78 league grounds and nobody I've ever encountered has had a bad word to say about us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bombersboots on February 01, 2015, 01:54:53 AM
They'd have been lynched... literally.

This sounds alot like give and can't take. It's OK to throw abuse at players that are trying to do a job (try going to a building site and doing this) but when one of them fights back, oh no! How awful is he!?

Also your last line is untrue. It's not just one guy is it? I wouldn't be surprised if that sort of thing has been happening multiple times for the last two seasons not only at matches but in his personal life as well.. Because fans (in the collective term) are massive D**ks.

To reply to Pedro's bit about Kane, maybe because he actually feels wanted by the fans? when was the last time the fans universally liked a player? It HAS to be about 5 years now.

Personally, If I was a player, I wouldn't sign for us... Purely because I could get as good a contract elsewhere with less D**kish fans.
So you think its ok for a pro footballer to swaear at fans? Even IF the incident happenened, any 1 in Berahinos position with an ounce of intelligence would walk away, the whole team were poor today. And if you seriously feel that way about your fellow fans, id find a new hobby.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 01, 2015, 01:57:23 AM
So you think its ok for a pro footballer to swaear at fans? Even IF the incident happenened, any 1 in Berahinos position with an ounce of intelligence would walk away, the whole team were poor today. And if you seriously feel that way about your fellow fans, id find a new hobby.
no, but if the player's sworn at first, and then returns it, as in what happened here, I don't see the issue.

I also don't think it's right for fans to swear at the players. So if they do then they are fair game to me.

And on your final point, I've said a couple times before it would be our fans that drove me away from football.. At the moment it's so high and mighty and expectant. There's no humility, no humour, no respect to the players (so why should you demand it back?), there is nothing. just 26,000 bodies surrounding the pitch with the collective mindset of a 12-year old on the internet, ready to start a fight and abuse anyone they come across but then run away and hide behind the club when they get called on it pointing at them saying how terrible they are for doing the same thing.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bombersboots on February 01, 2015, 02:03:52 AM
no, but if the player's sworn at first, and then returns it, as in what happened here, I don't see the issue.

I also don't think it's right for fans to swear at players. So if they do then they are fair game to me.
Its as simple as this ,fans are paying to be there,
Players are being paid  to be there, so one word sums that situation up, professionalism.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on February 01, 2015, 02:04:15 AM
no, but if the player's sworn at first, and then returns it, as in what happened here, I don't see the issue.

I also don't think it's right for fans to swear at players. So if they do then they are fair game to me.

He is a PROFESSIONAL footballer, earning at the moment in the region of 15 grand a week! He should be PROFESSIONAL and not react. It is his job to play football, not argue with the very people who pay his wages. I've had abuse at work but I don't tell people to f*** off and that was in a job earning a pittance. For 15 grand a week, people could call me whatever they liked.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on February 01, 2015, 03:07:50 AM
no, but if the player's sworn at first, and then returns it, as in what happened here, I don't see the issue.

I also don't think it's right for fans to swear at the players. So if they do then they are fair game to me.

And on your final point, I've said a couple times before it would be our fans that drove me away from football.. At the moment it's so high and mighty and expectant. There's no humility, no humour, no respect to the players (so why should you demand it back?), there is nothing. just 26,000 bodies surrounding the pitch with the collective mindset of a 12-year old on the internet, ready to start a fight and abuse anyone they come across but then run away and hide behind the club when they get called on it pointing at them saying how terrible they are for doing the same thing.

And you think this is any different anywhere else do you?? It's a bloody football ground, not an effing theatre with everyone giving a polite round of applause when the show finishes. Did you go to football in the eighties when there was REAL fights and abuse? It's laughable that this is what you think it is like at the Hawthorns now. Football has ALWAYS been tribal and passionate. There is less abuse of players now than at any time in the last 32 years that I've been watching the Albion. As for saying there is no humour and no respect amongst the Albion support?? I seriously don't know where you've been! You haven't been watching the same Albion as I have over the years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: brummyroader on February 01, 2015, 08:34:20 AM
I think this is a problem not just at football grounds but also in society, people give out abuse when they can not really be held accountable eg. in the stands, on Twitter etc. No problem with what Saido did, if you can't take it don't give it out. If that fan had seen Saido in the street he'd of probably been begging for a photo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on February 01, 2015, 11:39:21 AM
I think this is a problem not just at football grounds but also in society, people give out abuse when they can not really be held accountable eg. in the stands, on Twitter etc. No problem with what Saido did, If that fan had seen Saido in the street he'd of probably been begging for a photo. if you can't take it don't give it out.

Nobody has actually said that the fan who said anything 'couldn't take it'. You're missing the whole point. Us, the paying supporters, are there to watch so called professional footballers play football. No matter what gets said. In a passionate atmosphere of a football match things get said, it is not like walking down the street and shouting abuse is it. You don't here 20,000 people up Merry Hill chanting "The toilet cleaner's a w*****" or such like do you? You can't compare the two. These players are getting paid obscene amounts of money to play football and the fans are paying obscene amount of money to watch it. If I and thousnds of others are spending more money than they can really afford watching some overpaid arrogant football under performing, I've got every right to be fuming.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2015, 11:42:40 AM
Olsson, Robinson have had a go at fans both on more than one occasion.

Seems that Berahino cannot do anything these days without someone having a go at him. No he was not right to have a go but he's human and if someone keeps having a pop then in the heat of the moment you'll have a go back.

Not condoning it as he should just walk away and ignore it but he is only human.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 01, 2015, 11:46:17 AM
Sat in East stand today, ball kicked out by Foster to Berahino. He fails to control it and it goes out for a throw in. Lad 3 or 4 rows in front stands up and gives him a few expletives. Now whether he was right or wrong to pick Saido out for a few words is a matter of opinion, personally i don't think it helps. But when a professional footballer turns around and tells a fan to go f**k himself and get out there if he can do any better its a sad day for all. My 2 kids were shocked not by the language but by the shear hate in his voice. I was gobsmacked to be honest, quite frankly I don give a toss whether he stays or goes anymore. After that today and some of the stuff he is coming out with I really am not sure he wants to be around. Wherever he ends up I just hope his attitude to all changes. Harry Kane was superb today, enjoying his football I thought, as for Saido, a really sad figure who really doesn't look like he wants to be there. If that's the case maybe it is time to cash in.

Very disappointing if so but we had similar recently form the likes of Olsson (multiple times ?) and before that Kiely so hardly a first.
However, Saido does seem to keep on showing a stroppy side to him that I don't like and I think the fanbase picks up those bad vibes and despite his goals and talent does not seem a crowd favourite.
If he genuinely wants to be here and sticks around and keeps improving/scoring then there is time yet for him to be a favourite.

That said, at the moment he looks well behind Kane as an all round goalscorer and main forward; you cannot see how he would get into a top 7-8 side and would be a bench warmer at best.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 01, 2015, 11:50:21 AM
fair play to berahino did the right thing

Why ?  Not saying it was right to go over the top with personal abuse, BUT were you at the game ?

The players collectively deserved abuse for the sheer garbage for that first half hour of rubbish...............a passage of play by Spuds just after the second goal had many of us in the BRE up on our feet in sheer frustration and anger at what we had paid to watch as the team reverted to type. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on February 01, 2015, 11:52:59 AM
Olsson, Robinson have had a go at fans both on more than one occasion.

Seems that Berahino cannot do anything these days without someone having a go at him. No he was not right to have a go but he's human and if someone keeps having a pop then in the heat of the moment you'll have a go back.

Not condoning it as he should just walk away and ignore it but he is only human.

I think the difference here speaking as a third party as I wasn't the one giving out the abuse nor was I the one giving it back, is that players such as Robinson and Olsson appear to genuinely have cared for the club. This probably explains their reactions to such abuse as opposed to Berahino, who Pedro,the original poster on this point said there was sheer hatred in his voice. As I said, a football ground is a totally different environment to anywhere else. It is 'par for the course' for passionate fans to shout their frustrations out with a few choice words.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2015, 11:56:21 AM
I think the difference here speaking as a third party as I wasn't the one giving out the abuse nor was I the one giving it back, is that players such as Robinson and Olsson appear to genuinely have cared for the club. This probably explains their reactions to such abuse as opposed to Berahino, who Pedro,the original poster on this point said there was sheer hatred in his voice. As I said, a football ground is a totally different environment to anywhere else. It is 'par for the course' for passionate fans to shout their frustrations out with a few choice words.

The bloke has been crucified by Albion fans over the past few months on Twitter etc and then wakes up yesterday to papers causing more problems for him so no wonder he's a bit peeved.

Robinson cared for the club ? yes he did for a spell but thats another story.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 01, 2015, 11:56:30 AM
I think the difference here speaking as a third party as I wasn't the one giving out the abuse nor was I the one giving it back, is that players such as Robinson and Olsson appear to genuinely have cared for the club. This probably explains their reactions to such abuse as opposed to Berahino, who Pedro,the original poster on this point said there was sheer hatred in his voice. As I said, a football ground is a totally different environment to anywhere else. It is 'par for the course' for passionate fans to shout their frustrations out with a few choice words.

Without the passionate fans, good and bad elements, we have NOTHING as a club............end up like Fulhams' uncommitted 'neutrals end'.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 01, 2015, 11:57:38 AM
The bloke has been crucified by Albion fans over the past few months on Twitter etc and then wakes up yesterday to papers causing more problems for him so no wonder he's a bit peeved.

Robinson cared for the club ? yes he did for a spell but thats another story.
The Twitter bits easy, if your a professional.......KEEP OFF IT !   No reason to enter debate with people all and sundry !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2015, 11:59:23 AM
The Twitter bits easy, if your a professional.......KEEP OFF IT !   No reason to enter debate with people all and sundry !

I didn't say he had debated with anyone on there at all but why should he keep off ?

He has the same right to go on there as anyone but howwould you feel if you keep getting notifications from fans abusing you, some of the comments lately have been a disgrace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on February 01, 2015, 12:01:41 PM
Without the passionate fans, good and bad elements, we have NOTHING as a club............end up like Fulhams' uncommitted 'neutrals end'.

Exactly, The Hawthorns needs to be even more passionate, vocal and intimidating like I've said in another thread on here yesterday. Players might begin to get the message then. I don't know how these supporters moaning about fans shouting abuse coped when there was a REAL atmosphere at football grounds!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 01, 2015, 12:02:54 PM
To be fair it wasn't just one fan, as I was sat right in front of this argument there were at least 20 or 30 swearing and abusing him. It's absolutely ridiculous, people wonder why he gets moody or doesn't seem to be enjoying himself but how would a fan like it if 20 or 30 people came into their place of work and started abusing them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on February 01, 2015, 12:04:37 PM
I didn't say he had debated with anyone on there at all but why should he keep off ?

He has the same right to go on there as anyone but howwould you feel if you keep getting notifications from fans abusing you, some of the comments lately have been a disgrace.

For 15 grand a week, soon to be probably more double that, I think I might just about be able to put up with it  8)

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2015, 12:07:22 PM
For 15 grand a week, soon to be probably more double that, I think I might just about be able to put up with it  8)

I could put up with it, i'm a 45 year old bloke though used to getting grief, water off a ducks back to me and I guess you as you seem the same age or so but he's a kid learning his trade and having had a frustrating few weeks by the look of it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 01, 2015, 12:07:37 PM
For 15 grand a week, soon to be probably more double that, I think I might just about be able to put up with it  8)

He gets paid to play football, not get abused.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on February 01, 2015, 12:09:52 PM
And you think this is any different anywhere else do you?? It's a bloody football ground, not an effing theatre with everyone giving a polite round of applause when the show finishes. Did you go to football in the eighties when there was REAL fights and abuse? It's laughable that this is what you think it is like at the Hawthorns now. Football has ALWAYS been tribal and passionate. There is less abuse of players now than at any time in the last 32 years that I've been watching the Albion. As for saying there is no humour and no respect amongst the Albion support?? I seriously don't know where you've been! You haven't been watching the same Albion as I have over the years.

You say all this about it being a football ground and not a theatre and go on about the 80's, yet it offends your sensibilities when a player responds to idiots in the home fans abusing them?

He shouldn't react but its really hard to have any sympathy for the morons who abuse the players needlessly (I mean miscontrolling a ball leading to them swearing at him, really!?) and think it should be a one way street. You pay money to watch a football game. Nowhere on your ticket does it say you get a free pass to do whatever you want.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aztech on February 01, 2015, 12:10:05 PM
I could put up with it, i'm a 45 year old bloke though used to getting grief, water off a ducks back to me and I guess you as you seem the same age or so but he's a kid learning his trade and having had a frustrating few weeks by the look of it.

45 year old  :o

One hell of a paper round!  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on February 01, 2015, 12:10:19 PM
Fans are very cynical these days. I remember Colin West  getting dogs abuse following lacklustre displays with no goals. To abuse your top scorer who came through the youth system from 10yrs old and who is the clubs greatest asset is just weird! It's like people are bitter about their own lives so turn up to matches wanting make our players suffer. We are like Wolves a few years ago!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on February 01, 2015, 12:11:08 PM
To be fair it wasn't just one fan, as I was sat right in front of this argument there were at least 20 or 30 swearing and abusing him. It's absolutely ridiculous, people wonder why he gets moody or doesn't seem to be enjoying himself but how would a fan like it if 20 or 30 people came into their place of work and started abusing them.

Oh poor diddums, 20 people shouting naughty words at him. It's hardly full scale abuse is it! I've had abuse at work from customers but I haven't turned to them and told them to f*** themselves or else I would have been out the door with my P45. He is a footballer playing in a football ground for God's sake, what does he expect??!! He isn't at the Vicar's tea party is he.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albionden on February 01, 2015, 12:13:29 PM
He gets paid to play football, not get abused.

totally agree mate , as for shocking, what cantona did was shocking , not this !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2015, 12:13:58 PM
45 year old  :o

One hell of a paper round!  :P

 :D Can't all keep our youthful good looks like yourself
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 01, 2015, 12:17:00 PM
Oh poor diddums, 20 people shouting naughty words at him. It's hardly full scale abuse is it! I've had abuse at work from customers but I haven't turned to them and told them to f*** themselves or else I would have been out the door with my P45. He is a footballer playing in a football ground for God's sake, what does he expect??!! He isn't at the Vicar's tea party is he.
Maybe not but remember he was most likely frustrated already at the time, as we were losing. If he is already in a bad frame of mind then it wouldn't take too much for him to snap- he is human.

Plus I think you trivialise the 'full scale abuse'. One of the fans three rows back shouted 'I'm going to break your f***ing mums neck'. Now you may reduce that to 'diddums' but I for one would definitely react to that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 01, 2015, 12:20:48 PM
One of the fans three rows back shouted 'I'm going to break your f***ing mums neck'. Now you may reduce that to 'diddums' but I for one would definitely react to that.

Seriously? Amazed nobody twatted him.
Wonder why this was not mentioned earlier?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on February 01, 2015, 12:23:56 PM
You say all this about it being a football ground and not a theatre and go on about the 80's, yet it offends your sensibilities when a player responds to idiots in the home fans abusing them?

He shouldn't react but its really hard to have any sympathy for the morons who abuse the players needlessly (I mean miscontrolling a ball leading to them swearing at him, really!?) and think it should be a one way street. You pay money to watch a football game. Nowhere on your ticket does it say you get a free pass to do whatever you want.

No, it doesn't offend my sensibilities whatsoever. All I'm doing is trying to put it in perspective. Football grounds have always been a place where working class blokes can go for a couple of hours on a Saturday to get away from the missus and family for a bit and yes, let off a bit of steam and get passionate about their club. It has happened for 130 odd years. Why should it be now that some people are saying this is wrong?? No wonder atmosphere at football grounds appear to have been lost forever. From the age of 6 since I first went up the match I can remember fans shouting abuse. That's what happens. It's a football match.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 01, 2015, 12:25:50 PM
Seriously? Amazed nobody twatted him.
Wonder why this was not mentioned earlier?

Initially when the ball went out of play that wasn't said, it was just 'f***ing move' and the like, then when he had reacted I heard that being said, whether Berahino heard it or not I don't know, I hope not as it's embarrassing.

I would also like to say that it was the fans who had the last say, after a couple of comments Berahino did ignore the fans, so I think he is being criticised a little too much. As albionden rightly said, Cantona was shocking, not this.

For the record I do think Berahino is sometimes out of order with his actions and I do think he could mature a bit, however I don't attribute any blame to him for yesterday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on February 01, 2015, 12:30:10 PM
Maybe not but remember he was most likely frustrated already at the time, as we were losing. If he is already in a bad frame of mind then it wouldn't take too much for him to snap- he is human.

Plus I think you trivialise the 'full scale abuse'. One of the fans three rows back shouted 'I'm going to break your f***ing mums neck'. Now you may reduce that to 'diddums' but I for one would definitely react to that.

As I said before, I'm speaking as a third party as I wasn't sat in the East Stand so didn't hear it. I had no knowledge of what was actually shouted, all I've been trying to defend is that for a hundred years, fans have shouted abuse at players and that they should rise above it. This abuse on the other hand is obviously a few steps further isn't it and I'm not going to defend that whatsoever. As SmethDan said, if this was said, I'm surprised nobody slapped him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 01, 2015, 12:33:13 PM
No, it doesn't offend my sensibilities whatsoever. All I'm doing is trying to put it in perspective. Football grounds have always been a place where working class blokes can go for a couple of hours on a Saturday to get away from the missus and family for a bit and yes, let off a bit of steam and get passionate about their club. It has happened for 130 odd years. Why should it be now that some people are saying this is wrong?? No wonder atmosphere at football grounds appear to have been lost forever. From the age of 6 since I first went up the match I can remember fans shouting abuse. That's what happens. It's a football match.
Slavery happened for hundreds of years before someone stood up and pointed out it was morally wrong  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 01, 2015, 12:33:23 PM
Initially when the ball went out of play that wasn't said, it was just 'f***ing move' and the like, then when he had reacted I heard that being said, whether Berahino heard it or not I don't know, I hope not as it's embarrassing.

I would also like to say that it was the fans who had the last say, after a couple of comments Berahino did ignore the fans, so I think he is being criticised a little too much. As albionden rightly said, Cantona was shocking, not this.

For the record I do think Berahino is sometimes out of order with his actions and I do think he could mature a bit, however I don't attribute any blame to him for yesterday.

Fair play and thanks for explaining in more detail.
Much appreciated, especially as I don't get to hear crowd/player interactions from my eyrie toward the back of the Smeth'.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 01, 2015, 12:35:01 PM
Fair play and thanks for explaining in more detail.
Much appreciated, especially as I don't get to hear crowd/player interactions from my eyrie toward the back of the Smeth'.
No worries, normally I would agree with Nathan that players should try to ignore it, something which Brunt does well to be fair, I just think yesterday was OTT.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 01, 2015, 12:38:54 PM
Football supporters - quick enough to dish it out but act so precious when they get a bit back. If you can't take it then don't dish it out.

I feel quite sorry for Saido because he was our only threat in that second half yesterday, effectively having to do it by himself and it still isn't good enough for some supporters.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 01, 2015, 12:41:55 PM
Football supporters - quick enough to dish it out but act so precious when they get a bit back. If you can't take it then don't dish it out.

I feel quite sorry for Saido because he was our only threat in that second half yesterday, effectively having to do it by himself and it still isn't good enough for some supporters.

Here here, my point exactly. I do think there is a difference between complaining about players between fans and having a bit of a moan, that is a right of the paying fan. It is wrong when it progresses to actively abusing players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on February 01, 2015, 12:54:08 PM
We may as well just cash in on him because he'll never be accepted by a large number of our fans. It seems he can do no right in some peoples eyes. Always looking for the negatives and not what he actually brings to us. He's by far our best player and without him we'd have gone down last season and certainly been bottom of the pile this season. It's no wonder he's giving some back to these so called fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 01, 2015, 01:19:29 PM
Football supporters - quick enough to dish it out but act so precious when they get a bit back. If you can't take it then don't dish it out.


Always been like that and it'll never change BUT be careful what you wish for as if you taken the passion out of the ground then you are left with nothing.

Can anyone defend the players for the first half hour we they, collectively deserved and got stick from many of us during a couple of particularly dire passages of play ?  Do we just sit on our hands in silence and not care ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 01, 2015, 01:22:39 PM
I didn't say he had debated with anyone on there at all but why should he keep off ?

He has the same right to go on there as anyone but howwould you feel if you keep getting notifications from fans abusing you, some of the comments lately have been a disgrace.

I'd just block em and carry on counting my dosh, be more interested where my next top of the spec Range Rover gets delivered !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 01, 2015, 01:26:21 PM
Exactly, The Hawthorns needs to be even more passionate, vocal and intimidating like I've said in another thread on here yesterday. Players might begin to get the message then. I don't know how these supporters moaning about fans shouting abuse coped when there was a REAL atmosphere at football grounds!

Exactly, some choice language about out collective display from me and those around me drew disapproving looks form the day out, sit on hands types yesterday. Kill what's left of the passion (it's disappearing year by year s it is) and you have a theatre audience and the dear of a club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 01, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
To be fair it wasn't just one fan, as I was sat right in front of this argument there were at least 20 or 30 swearing and abusing him. It's absolutely ridiculous, people wonder why he gets moody or doesn't seem to be enjoying himself but how would a fan like it if 20 or 30 people came into their place of work and started abusing them.

As long as it's not personal that's all part of being a high profile, highly paid footballer !

Up my wage and conditions to that of a 'Berahino' and I'd gladly take the rough with the smooth !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 01, 2015, 01:32:23 PM
Maybe not but remember he was most likely frustrated already at the time, as we were losing. If he is already in a bad frame of mind then it wouldn't take too much for him to snap- he is human.

Plus I think you trivialise the 'full scale abuse'. One of the fans three rows back shouted 'I'm going to break your f***ing mums neck'. Now you may reduce that to 'diddums' but I for one would definitely react to that.

If that was said then that's gone over the top and I'd expect fellow Albion fans to get the bloke chucked out!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 01, 2015, 01:35:00 PM
If that was said then that's gone over the top and I'd expect fellow Albion fans to get the bloke chucked out!

It was that quote I am/was objecting to, as I've said before the paying fan has a right to complain but this was OTT.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on February 01, 2015, 01:56:25 PM
Fans are very cynical these days. I remember Colin West  getting dogs abuse following lacklustre displays with no goals. To abuse your top scorer who came through the youth system from 10yrs old and who is the clubs greatest asset is just weird! It's like people are bitter about their own lives so turn up to matches wanting make our players suffer. We are like Wolves a few years ago!

All stems from the amount of money modern day footballers earn for being bang average the majority of the time.

Berahino is a typical young English footballer in many respects and destined for mediocrity. Score a few goals then all of a sudden he's the best thing since sliced bread and worth £25m.

Maybe it's different for the slightly younger generation but I just can't take to him. He's another one who's off the pitch antics will see him fade into obscurity.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on February 01, 2015, 02:17:33 PM
People go to football matches for many different reasons. In the "passionate good old days" that some people are being all misty eyed about the main reason for some attending games was for a bust up. Although things have changed I still question some supporters motives since abusive behaviour comes in many different forms.

Most of those who are having a go at Saido are resentful of his talent and success and justify this petty behaviour with "if I had that much money" type whining. I agree that the greed league is wrong but it ain't Saido's fault.  He is a young chap trying to make sense of it as much as we are. Money don't bring happiness and there are plenty of examples of people being destroyed by fame and fortune - as far as I am concerned you can stick it!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: brummyroader on February 01, 2015, 03:14:25 PM
Nobody has actually said that the fan who said anything 'couldn't take it'. You're missing the whole point. Us, the paying supporters, are there to watch so called professional footballers play football. No matter what gets said. In a passionate atmosphere of a football match things get said, it is not like walking down the street and shouting abuse is it. You don't here 20,000 people up Merry Hill chanting "The toilet cleaner's a w*****" or such like do you? You can't compare the two. These players are getting paid obscene amounts of money to play football and the fans are paying obscene amount of money to watch it. If I and thousnds of others are spending more money than they can really afford watching some overpaid arrogant football under performing, I've got every right to be fuming.

Berahino was the only one who looked remotely troubling Spurs yesterday. I've seen from your other posts you say why shouldn't fans have a pop well they're more than likely the same 'fans' who moan when players go straight down the tunnel after a game, you can't pick and choose when to support the team and when not to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 01, 2015, 03:36:11 PM
Always been like that and it'll never change BUT be careful what you wish for as if you taken the passion out of the ground then you are left with nothing.

I'm not wishing for anything, I just find it hilarious when football fans dish out a sack load of abuse and then whinge whenever somebody has a pop back.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 01, 2015, 05:09:43 PM
There's no common link now between players and fans.
Years ago you could see Hartford, Robson, Cantello etc in the Sandwell Centre, they used to go in the mother in laws shop to have their suits made.
Robson used to run the Four in Hand football team on Sunday mornings, I saw Cantello get banjo'd one Friday night in The Spinney up on Charlemont.
Its us and them now, they go from the ground and get back to their big houses behind electric gates and that's it, the common touch has gone for ever.
Bomber used to live in a 3 bedroom detached house on The Broadlands Estate in Willenhall.
Willie Johnson used to catch the bus home after training, Ally Robertson was in digs on Hill Top
In those times the differential between players and fans was much closer than it is now.
That's why were so less forgiving than years ago
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: labaggies on February 01, 2015, 05:32:26 PM
There's no common link now between players and fans.
Years ago you could see Hartford, Robson, Cantello etc in the Sandwell Centre, they used to go in the mother in laws shop to have their suits made.
Robson used to run the Four in Hand football team on Sunday mornings, I saw Castillo get banjo'd one Friday night in The Spinney up on Claremont.
Its us and them now, they go from the ground and get back to their big houses behind electric gates and that's it, the common touch has gone for ever.
Bomber used to live in a 3 bedroom detached house on The Broadlands Estate in Willenhall.
Willie Johnson used to catch the bus home after training, Ally Robertson was in digs on Hill Top
In those times the differential between players and fans was much closer than it is now.
That's why were so less forgiving than years ago

Excellent post....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on February 01, 2015, 08:02:01 PM
our best player by miles,the way he is being utilised by successive mangers is not helping,he should play centre forward
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on February 02, 2015, 11:43:17 PM
On this young lad's shoulders rests our Premier League survival. He may not be the hero Albion deserves, but he's the one we need.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 03, 2015, 12:09:44 AM
He's one of our OWN, He's one of our OWWWWWNNNN. SAIDO BERAHINO HE'S ONE OF OUR OWN.

We have got to get behind this lad now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 03, 2015, 12:11:49 AM
Need to play him as the centre forward as he's wasted elsewhere.

What happens if he gets injured now !!!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebuckster on February 03, 2015, 12:12:29 AM
On this young lad's shoulders rests our Premier League survival. He may not be the hero Albion deserves, but he's the one we need.

Totally agree with this. We should sing his name loud and proud and get behind him and maybe just maybe we will get a positive reaction from him. When he scored the winner against Hull that was the first time I have heard his name being sung so loudly which is ridiculous when you consider how important he is to the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 03, 2015, 12:14:05 AM
Totally agree with this. We should sing his name loud and proud and get behind him and maybe just maybe we will get a positive reaction from him. When he scored the winner against Hull that was the first time I have heard his name being sung so loudly which is ridiculous when you consider how important he is to the team.
You're joking right? we only believe in sticks, not carrots.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebuckster on February 03, 2015, 12:17:40 AM
You're joking right? we only believe in sticks, not carrots.

I know what you mean. The lack of vocal support has been shocking at home games this season. I have a 7 year old lad that I bought a season ticket for this season and I can sense he is getting bored with the sterile ambience around the ground. On the rare occasions that we get behind the team he visibly changes and absolutely loves it. The only home game with any atmosphere this season was Villa and that was poor for a local derby.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 03, 2015, 12:27:51 AM
I know what you mean. The lack of vocal support has been shocking at home games this season. I have a 7 year old lad that I bought a season ticket for this season and I can sense he is getting bored with the sterile ambience around the ground. On the rare occasions that we get behind the team he visibly changes and absolutely loves it. The only home game with any atmosphere this season was Villa and that was poor for a local derby.

Do you sing at games?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebuckster on February 03, 2015, 12:30:26 AM
Do you sing at games?

Yes - why do you ask?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on February 03, 2015, 12:41:42 AM
After tonight...how much pressure is Berahino under?

I remember last season towards the end he kind of became our saviour (the goal against West Ham was massive). It seems as though most of our survival is pinned on him again. Lets just hope he doesn't get injured  ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 03, 2015, 12:41:54 AM
Yes - why do you ask?

Good to hear.  8).
I get behind the team too but will admit that the atmosphere is somewhat lacking and has been for some time.
I asked because there are a quite a few fans who moan about lack of atmosphere but do F all to change it.
Glad to know that you're not one who moans about a problem while not being part of the solution.
Happy cheering.
 ;D.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebuckster on February 03, 2015, 12:46:18 AM
Good to hear.  8).
I get behind the team too but will admit that the atmosphere is somewhat lacking and has been for some time.
I asked because there are a quite a few fans who moan about lack of atmosphere but do F all to change it.
Glad to know that you're not one who moans about a problem while not being part of the solution.
Happy cheering.
 ;D.

To me it is a big part of going to matches. Last season I took the little one to about a dozen games in the East Stand and couldn't handle - it was like being in church and the thought of standing up to sing would have made me feel like I was some kind of freak. So this season I returned to where I have been since I was a kid and went back to the Brummie. I am not the type to start the chanting off but I certainly don't need much encouragement to join in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 04, 2015, 08:03:27 AM
Anybody seen his Sky interview, hes wants to leave in the summer.Keep it to yourself i say
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on February 04, 2015, 08:06:10 AM
Anybody seen his Sky interview, hes wants to leave in the summer.Keep it to yourself i say

I'm sure if he worked hard,scored goals and led us to safety that none of us would begrudge him a move to a top 5 club. He just doesn't need to say these things at all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 04, 2015, 08:09:59 AM
I'm sure if he worked hard,scored goals and led us to safety that none of us would begrudge him a move to a top 5 club. He just doesn't need to say these things at all.


Trouble is if hes halfhearted with an attitude the crowd wont like it creating a bad atmosphere not helping our survival cause, to be honest i be glad when hes gone, he will always be trouble
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on February 04, 2015, 08:14:41 AM

Trouble is if hes halfhearted with an attitude the crowd wont like it creating a bad atmosphere not helping our survival cause, to be honest i be glad when hes gone, he will always be trouble

Just seen the interview, only read about it before. Saying things like "training isn't as enjoyable" and he "wants to move on to bigger things next season."

It's very poorly timed and poorly worded. You want players coming out and rallying the troops. How can he say that at the moment he needs to be focused on scoring goals for us and say he wants to leave all in the same breath.

Only a few weeks ago he was saying he needs to develop.

All he has to do is keep is mouth shut and score goals, bigger and better things will come. His attitude will stop him moving at the mo, don't think we even had an enquiry in the end in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 04, 2015, 08:16:11 AM
Anybody seen his Sky interview, hes wants to leave in the summer.Keep it to yourself i say

I dont think there was ever any doubt this would happen do you?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alfie07 on February 04, 2015, 08:20:19 AM
Just seen the interview, only read about it before. Saying things like "training isn't as enjoyable" and he "wants to move on to bigger things next season."

It's very poorly timed and poorly worded. You want players coming out and rallying the troops. How can he say that at the moment he needs to be focused on scoring goals for us and say he wants to leave all in the same breath.

Only a few weeks ago he was saying he needs to develop.

All he has to do is keep is mouth shut and score goals, bigger and better things will come. His attitude will stop him moving at the mo, don't think we even had an enquiry in the end in January.

You have a link to him saying 'training isn't as enjoyable' ? All i see is a quote from Ben Foster saying the training is 'brutal' meaning hard work. Source from sky sports.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 04, 2015, 08:34:11 AM
All he has to do is keep stum until the seasons over, he doesnt have to broadcast it now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kamarasboot on February 04, 2015, 08:37:33 AM
To be honest I think he needs to have an outstanding 2nd half of the season to get a top 5 move. By the summer targets will have changed and I can't see that he will be a priority to any of them given what we would want for him.

You'll always get this with him, as long as he does his jbob who cares. Never going to be Albion hero/legend might as well use him the same as he's using us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on February 04, 2015, 08:48:55 AM
I just don't understand the chip on his shoulder. Ok he had a tough start in life but since then he has had far more of an opportunity and support than most kids his age.
Reading his interview with Ian Wright (true legend), I hoped he had actually gained a bit of humility and begun to appreciate the fantastic chance he has, Sadly it appears not and he will just be one of those that doesn't know how to be happy.
If he keeps performing and scoring then who cares, but if he doesn't I hope either Ideye of Nabi get a chance and grasp it with both hands, maybe a spell on the bench seeing someone else take the plaudits will give him the reality check he needs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 04, 2015, 08:54:55 AM
To be honest I don't listen to the lad talk as he quite obviously is thicker than Forrest Gump!!

I wouldn't increase his wages, he doesn't deserve a new contract, straight away I'd fine him 2 weeks wages for what he has said.

The kid is unbelievably stupid..who is his agent and why isn't he keeping him in check! That is after all part and parcel of an agents role is it not
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 04, 2015, 08:56:09 AM
The quoutes I've seen aren't that bad in all honesty. Pretty much how I see it, If he keeps us up it'll mean he's scored more goals. On the back of that his value will increase and we can make mega money from his sale.

We just have to ensure it's reinvested wisely
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Stroller on February 04, 2015, 09:00:58 AM
Just saw this comment on TeamTalk.com (http://www.teamtalk.com/premier-league/9698824/Premier-League-West-Brom-striker-Saido-Berahino-on-look-out-for-new-bigger-club). Very sensible:

"patsfan83 (Exeter City): 25 million!!! Another over rated over priced English player! So that must mean Harry Kane is worth 50?! He should be happy that he's playing for WBA! The sooner football follows the standards of American football the better! Get rid of all this teams buying other teams players for massive fees and get salary caps in! It seems that when an average premier league team have a player who has half a good season he is immediately priced at 30 million and linked with a bigger team! Surely they should be building a team around that player!"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on February 04, 2015, 09:01:51 AM
You have a link to him saying 'training isn't as enjoyable' ? All i see is a quote from Ben Foster saying the training is 'brutal' meaning hard work. Source from sky sports.

Didn't see that in the article but he definitely said it when i saw the interview.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 04, 2015, 09:02:19 AM
Just saw this comment on TeamTalk.com (http://www.teamtalk.com/premier-league/9698824/Premier-League-West-Brom-striker-Saido-Berahino-on-look-out-for-new-bigger-club). Very sensible:

"patsfan83 (Exeter City): 25 million!!! Another over rated over priced English player! So that must mean Harry Kane is worth 50?! He should be happy that he's playing for WBA! The sooner football follows the standards of American football the better! Get rid of all this teams buying other teams players for massive fees and get salary caps in! It seems that when an average premier league team have a player who has half a good season he is immediately priced at 30 million and linked with a bigger team! Surely they should be building a team around that player!"



excellent quote from an outsider

I hope Idye comes good in the coming weeks, Berahino what a billy big boots you are
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kamarasboot on February 04, 2015, 09:02:43 AM
I think it's partly agent driven, wouldn't be surprised if they were expectng a Move in January with someone coming in with a out off this world offer, it never did and this is almost a nod and a wink to say 'don't frget aboute guys'

Like I said In an earlier post I can't see top 5 paying what we want, especially if he has a good 2nd half to the season which fundamentally means this becomes an exercise in wages for the lad. Anther I want to acheive this, win that etc then sign for West Ham on 80k a week.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 04, 2015, 09:16:24 AM
I think Saido needs to do his talking on the pitch and he should very careful not to burn his bridges here. Unless he rattles in a least six goals between now and the of the season the big move won't happen. I am fairly certain he won't attract either of the Manchester clubs, Chelsea or Arsenal. It really leaves Liverpool or Spurs as potential suitors that might meet our valuation but he would be going to those clubs as second choice at best and both tend to play with just one up top so I can see him spending a lot of time on the bench.

From the tone of the interview I don't think there is much chance that he will be signing a new contract and he will be sold in the summer the only thing in doubt is to whom and for how much and that depends on how he performs between now and the end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on February 04, 2015, 09:18:31 AM
He's going to turn into another Odemwingie, you can just tell. If we can get a replacement lined up in the summer we should sell him for a decent price while we still can.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on February 04, 2015, 09:26:33 AM
Referring to us as 'them' says it all, can't wait to get rid in Summer and watch his career take a nose dive. He might have potential ability, but he hasn't got the right attitude, doubt that will ever change.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 04, 2015, 09:27:49 AM
Let's be honest, he's hardly had a superb season has he ?

Just 9 league goals, of which a few were penalties. If he wants the move he so craves, that needs to be at least 15 by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 04, 2015, 09:35:01 AM
anyone have a link to this please
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mini gaardsoe on February 04, 2015, 09:35:30 AM
"I’ve got to stay focused on what I’m doing right now, which is scoring the goals and keeping West Brom in the Premier League,”

Exactly what we want.

“If I can keep them in the Premier League and score as many goals as I can, I’m pretty sure the fans wouldn’t mind me pushing on and going on to bigger things.”

Correct, nobody can argue, all the pressure has been on him all season with not much contribution from elsewhere.

“He’s old school: he believes in hard work,” Berahino said of Pulis’s training regime.

“But all the lads have taken to his work well, we’ve been working together, and his main focus since he stepped in the building was to get us together working as a team."


Not got a problem with any of that to be honest.

As long as he scores Sunday, who cares?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on February 04, 2015, 09:36:17 AM
anyone have a link to this please

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/9698824/premier-league-west-brom-striker-saido-berahino-on-look-out-for-new-bigger-club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on February 04, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
Let's be honest, he's hardly had a superb season has he ?

Just 9 league goals, of which a few were penalties. If he wants the move he so craves, that needs to be at least 15 by the end of the season.

I know exactly, when you look at the likes of Kane, Ings, Austin doing just as good / better.. he is nothing special. Seems to think he is though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 04, 2015, 09:38:49 AM
frankly, I can't see anything wrong with his comments as quoted in the piece linked above.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 04, 2015, 09:40:22 AM
Like you say, as long as he keeps scoring I'm not bothered. We all know he has a chip on his shoulder and he will struggle at a 'bigger' club with that attitude.

Keep us up, cash in, move on!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on February 04, 2015, 09:48:20 AM
He's right.  I wont begrudge him a move.  I actually cant wait to see him leave.  He epitomises everything I hate about modern football.  Terrible attitude, thinks hes a gift from God.  Lots of talent but lacks humility which is shocking considering what he has been through in life.  No wonder Mozza gave him a slap.  I bet the rest of the players are queuing up.


I hope we get a lot of money for him because he will fail when he leaves.  Talent can only take you so far.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on February 04, 2015, 09:49:31 AM
Nothng wrong with his comments at all. He scores, we stay up, he goes to a champions league club, we get a lot of  cash - sounds good all round.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 04, 2015, 09:52:07 AM
He's right.  I wont begrudge him a move.  I actually cant wait to see him leave.  He epitomises everything I hate about modern football.  Terrible attitude, thinks hes a gift from God.  Lots of talent but lacks humility which is shocking considering what he has been through in life.  No wonder Mozza gave him a slap.  I bet the rest of the players are queuing up.


I hope we get a lot of money for him because he will fail when he leaves.  Talent can only take you so far.


absolutely spot on. be interesting to gauge the crowds reaction if he doesnt pull his socks up in the coming weeks, the sooner hes gone the better
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 04, 2015, 10:11:10 AM
He is a young man that courts controversy, whether that is through naivety or by design who knows.

His comments are fair enough, but they are open to interpretation and some will use it as stick to beat him with and it becomes a vicious circle that destroys.

The wise and sensible thing to do, imho, is to keep your head down and say nothing, particularly given his track record. But there again, I'm 46 years his senior, financial inferior to him, but what I have his money cant buy, experience and only age can afford that,he's got along way to go.

Good luck to him wherever he ends up, I wont shed too many tears when he leaves.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on February 04, 2015, 10:19:11 AM
With half of our goals this season and no opportunity to bring in anyone else now, we have to work with him that's for sure. I think he's a good lad but is a bit naive and immature at times to be honest. He needs someone to look after him a bit within the squad and outside of football whilst he's going up the ladder or else he could fall very quickly. Maybe  Fletcher could help him within the squad for example?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 04, 2015, 10:26:55 AM
Hardly said he wants to go or demanded to leave has he ? Another sensationalised headline exaggerating a story. Nothing wrong with anything he said. Some players want to play at the highest level and the likes of Stuart Taylor (google him if you don't know who he is) want to sit on their arses and pick up a wage without playing games
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on February 04, 2015, 10:30:27 AM
Sent back by Brentford
Question marks over his atittude and application, regularly late on matchday according to reports
Laughing Gas incident
Drink driving
Dressing room punch up
Constant comments in Press

His attitude at times is that of a lad who thinks he's better than the Club and wants out. Well I hope he scores the goals to keep us up and then leaves in the summer...regardless of how talented he is, his atittude is questionable at best and can only see persistent issues with him whilst he is here!

He needs to hope someone comes in for him though - Ings and Austin are both going to be the subject of interest in the Summer and can only really see Liverpool and Spurs at the big clubs wanting any of those three!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on February 04, 2015, 10:31:52 AM
Officially finished with this lad.

Cant stand him.

Has potential, but hugely overrated by the media & himself.

Our treatment of players like Wisdom, Ideye and others etc is terrible when they do at least put a shift in every week unlike this lad.

When he is a sub he doesnt warm up, just taps a ball side to side, walks around like he owns the place, creates fires with every word he speaks.

I hope he moves on, i hope we demand a huge fee, then i hope his career turns out like Sinclair's.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 04, 2015, 10:36:44 AM
I have no problem with anything quoted in the above linked article, it's just a pity that he seems to think he is God's gift to little old Albion.
He should be concentrating on banging the ball in the back of the net on a more regular basis, which in effect is what he has acknowledged anyway.

Would have been nice to have a youth team product with talent who wanted to stay and become part of the furniture, rather than a passing deck chair to be folded away and moved out at the end of the holiday/football season.

Nothing wrong with having ambition Saido, it's how you go about achieving your dreams that marks you as a man young fella.
Wish I had your bank balance, but don't think you'll ever find any real balance in your life. The saddest part is that you will not care so long as the money is rolling in. Oh well, take care of your mom.
 ;).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 04, 2015, 10:38:56 AM
Media overhyping it as usual

This is no different really to the quotes made a few weeks back

Of course he will go in the summer, but as long as we stay up and get a good price I doubt anyone will be that bothered.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on February 04, 2015, 10:39:31 AM
If you're good, young and English you will always be highly sought after.

But why come out with these comments 2 days after the window has slammed shut? If he kept quiet and scored more goals between now and the end of the season he would probably get bids no matter what he said. Liverpool look favourites to sign Ings on a free transfer and Spurs have tied up Kane for another 5 years. So he's running out of 'bigger' clubs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 04, 2015, 10:40:16 AM
I honestly cannot abide the lad. The attitude on him is rank awful.

I appreciate the goals he has scored, and will hopefully continue to score, this season, but beyond that I will be glad to see the back of him provided we get a decent fee as his arrogance is just unbearable.

He is 21 years of age, has another decade at the top level ahead of him, we have stuck with him through his off the field scandals and general sulks in which he has stopped performing for stages in two seasons now and he repays us with continuous talk of 'moving onto bigger and better things'.

Odious little...something.

Parallel him with Harry Kane who seems nothing but appreciative of the fact he is playing regular Premier League football and is comfortably outperforming 'Super Saido'.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on February 04, 2015, 10:41:08 AM
How many of his goals this season have been from the penalty spot? Take that away and his goals contribution is nothing to shout from the rooftops about. If he was that good the money vultures would have had him signed up well before now. If he doesn't perform in the second half of the season then no-one will want him and he'll be pleading with JP to give him a new contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on February 04, 2015, 10:50:16 AM
Has Ings or Austin come out with any comments about leaving in the Summer? I certainly havent seen them!

Has Kane been involved in any controversies off the pitch? Again, I haven't seen any!

I havent got an issue if Berahino bangs the goals in and goes to a bigger club in the Summer...I just don't see why he needs to keep talking about it!

He's another one who should leave the club a hero but won't!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 04, 2015, 10:50:41 AM
Doesn't matter what we say or do his arrogance and self belief is in his make up.
There were problems with his attitude when on loan and we now have the same problems reoccuriing.
We know he'll leave at the end of the season, but the best thing he could have done was keep schtum and get on with his game.
I think our super duper media department could do with having a word with him as well. What are they thinking to let a little dumbarse like him speak to the press without a club representative in attendance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on February 04, 2015, 11:03:17 AM
Has Ings or Austin come out with any comments about leaving in the Summer? I certainly havent seen them!

Ings contract expires in the summer.  He has already signed a precontract with David Moyes at Real Sociedad.  What's there left to talk about?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on February 04, 2015, 11:04:46 AM
Sounds like he should be kept out of the media spotlight until the end of  the season to avoid a witch hunt following his every comment/ tweet....! Alternatively, he could use some creative imagery like Eric Cantona to confuse everybody as to what he's really saying..... ha ha. Football is turning into a silly soap opera where we're spending more time discussing a few words said in interviews instead of performances on the pitch. This was the point of the Albion statement yesterday I think - basically distancing themselves from the rubbish spouted in the media regarding transfers which whipped everyone up (me included) into thinking we were about to spend a fortune on half a new squad when in reality the club were much more low key and realistic in their approaches for players (e.g. Ba or Lambert would very likely not chosen us out of half a dozen prem clubs interested then and that is just where we are as a club).

If we really look at Berahino's comments, what we don't like is that he's telling us the truth - what 21 year old footballer wouldn't want to play champions league football and have the money and adulation that accompanies it? We just don't want to hear that because it means he wants better than we can give him. If he came out and said "I love it at Albion", kissed the badge after scoring but left at the end of the season for the first big offer, nobody would bat an eyelid. What 21 year old has never said stupid, immature things or made mistakes - give the boy a break !!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 04, 2015, 11:12:19 AM
Sounds like he should be kept out of the media spotlight until the end of  the season to avoid a witch hunt following his every comment/ tweet....! Alternatively, he could use some creative imagery like Eric Cantona to confuse everybody as to what he's really saying..... ha ha. Football is turning into a silly soap opera where we're spending more time discussing a few words said in interviews instead of performances on the pitch. This was the point of the Albion statement yesterday I think - basically distancing themselves from the rubbish spouted in the media regarding transfers which whipped everyone up (me included) into thinking we were about to spend a fortune on half a new squad when in reality the club were much more low key and realistic in their approaches for players (e.g. Ba or Lambert would very likely not chosen us out of half a dozen prem clubs interested then and that is just where we are as a club).

If we really look at Berahino's comments, what we don't like is that he's telling us the truth - what 21 year old footballer wouldn't want to play champions league football and have the money and adulation that accompanies it? We just don't want to hear that because it means he wants better than we can give him. If he came out and said "I love it at Albion", kissed the badge after scoring but left at the end of the season for the first big offer, nobody would bat an eyelid. What 21 year old has never said stupid, immature things or made mistakes - give the boy a break !!


No i wont give him a break, he can say all he wants in the closed season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on February 04, 2015, 11:14:16 AM
Ings contract expires in the summer.  He has already signed a precontract with David Moyes at Real Sociedad.  What's there left to talk about?

Could you show me a link to where this has been confirmed?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 04, 2015, 11:15:33 AM
All he needs to do is keep his gob shut, bang in the goals, and the rest will take care of itself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B714LF on February 04, 2015, 11:16:14 AM
Ings contract expires in the summer.  He has already signed a precontract with David Moyes at Real Sociedad.  What's there left to talk about?

This hasn't been confirmed. I don't think so.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on February 04, 2015, 11:17:48 AM
All he needs to do is keep his gob shut, bang in the goals, and the rest will take care of itself.

Exactly...but he refuses to do so!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 04, 2015, 11:28:02 AM
Are we sure this is not an old conversation regurgitated by sky, seems to me he's saying no more than the interview he did with Ian Wright. (Which I think was published on here).
As I understand it, the club have offered to re-open talks with him about a new contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albionden on February 04, 2015, 11:33:00 AM
I've noticed a couple of times now where he has been quoted in the press referring to the club as "them" but I cant recall him being quoted as saying "us" ever !

No wonder fans don't hold him in such high regards.

IF he's worth £20 million , how much is Kane worth ??? Kane is streets ahead of our lad in many respects , on the pitch and off it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on February 04, 2015, 11:50:15 AM
Tell you what I bet he can't wait to get out of here the amount of c**p he gets off Albion fans, you never know he might end up somewhere he is appreciated.

Everyone can slag off his attitude all they want but for him to go through what he has and now be as successful as he is he must have some kind of decent head on his shoulders.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on February 04, 2015, 11:54:51 AM
I don't have a problem with what saido said but no way is he near a top 5 side, you can't even put him in the same bracket of players as Walcott, Rooney, Kane, Costa, sturridge, he just needs to work hard on improving his game and keep his comments in his head
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: labaggies on February 04, 2015, 11:56:36 AM
Far to much money, and unfortunately not a lot of intelligence....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on February 04, 2015, 11:59:59 AM
I think he will sign a new contract and be here at least another 18 months now, possibly longer as I can't see where he is going to go (unless we go down).

Liverpool need something different to Sturridge and Ings in a tribunal is a far better option than 20m on Saido I would think. Spurs seem to have cooled their interest and I think would go for Jay Rodriquez at that price; and lets face it, he is not going to Chelsea, Man City or Man Utd.

Euro 2016 is a possibility for him, but he needs to score more and change peoples perception of his attitude. I don't think his behaviour (that we know of) has actually been that bad to be honest, but his reputation is shocking rightly or wrongly.

He wont even be in another England squad anytime soon partly because of this and because as Kane has certainly moved ahead of him (plus is London based). Rooney, Sturridge and Welbeck are going nowhere, and id even pick Austin before him at the moment. This is before Rodriquez gets fit again, Ing's goes to a bigger club, and people like James Wilson who is clearly highly rated come in to contention.

I can see both sides though to be honest, I can see why he hasn't helped himself with the fans, but I can also see why he might feel like sticking his fingers up to us as well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albionden on February 04, 2015, 12:00:47 PM
probably do a Goodman and end up at sunderland or similar. .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on February 04, 2015, 12:06:26 PM
I don't have a problem with what saido said but no way is he near a top 5 side, you can't even put him in the same bracket of players as Walcott, Rooney, Kane, Costa, sturridge, he just needs to work hard on improving his game and keep his comments in his head

Quite right - I was at the Spurs game and Kane was in a completely different class.....this is no slight on Saido, just the way it is. I do think he's misguide in the fact that he thinks he'll join a top six team and be anything more than a bench warmer. If he wants to leave, then he'll try regardless of whether we stay up or not so it makes no sense to be bitter about it. If we can get 15-20 mil and he ain't happy here, we could find 3-4 exceptional additions to our squad and strengthen key areas. I would also love to see the Nabi brothers introduced to the the squad next year.........this could prove a very shewd move.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 04, 2015, 12:11:38 PM
Tell you what I bet he can't wait to get out of here the amount of c**p he gets off Albion fans, you never know he might end up somewhere he is appreciated.

Everyone can slag off his attitude all they want but for him to go through what he has and now be as successful as he is he must have some kind of decent head on his shoulders.

equally balanced out by the chip he has on both shoulders
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 04, 2015, 12:22:41 PM
Alternatively, he could use some creative imagery like Eric Cantona to confuse everybody as to what he's really saying..... ha ha.


As zee faggots with grey peas and bacon fall from zee table, zay are often gobbled by zee Staff Bull Terriers below.

 ;D ;).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 04, 2015, 12:26:43 PM
It could upset the dressing room (out of order)says steve howey
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 04, 2015, 12:35:36 PM
Tell you what I bet he can't wait to get out of here the amount of c**p he gets off Albion fans, you never know he might end up somewhere he is appreciated.

Everyone can slag off his attitude all they want but for him to go through what he has and now be as successful as he is he must have some kind of decent head on his shoulders.

Nonsense post. Had he been a more amiable character he would be revered by the fans right now, a'la Harry Kane at Spurs, but instead he has been a petulant child who has shown nothing but disdain for club and fans at regular intervals. What are people supposed to think of him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 04, 2015, 12:36:31 PM
It could upset the dressing room (out of order)says steve howey

Have or, did I miss something in terms of any bids being received for Sadio, not only during the recent January Transfer Window but any Transfer Window?

A lot of press speculation about his worth, but nothing substantial that I can recall. Personally, the way things stand with him, I think we would be fortunate to receive bids near £10m let alone £25m.

How much do you think we would realistically get for him given all his baggage?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on February 04, 2015, 12:49:59 PM
Tell you what I bet he can't wait to get out of here the amount of c**p he gets off Albion fans, you never know he might end up somewhere he is appreciated.

Everyone can slag off his attitude all they want but for him to go through what he has and now be as successful as he is he must have some kind of decent head on his shoulders.
What rubbish does he get off Albion fans? I have not heard anything negative on matchday. In fact, despite his continuous disrespect for our club, I think he has been treated incredibly well.
There are many people in this country who have been through the same or worse than him, but will never have the opportunity or support he has.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 04, 2015, 12:51:16 PM
What goes through this lads head? There is no need to be coming out with these comments at all, let alone at a time when we're scrapping to stay in the division. He's already a legend in his own mind. I hope we get shot of him this summer.

For those who wonder why we don't love Berahino like Spurs love Harry Kane, here's your answer. Typical brain dead footballer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on February 04, 2015, 12:53:39 PM
Keep your trap shut Saido and let your feet do the talking
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on February 04, 2015, 04:17:00 PM
Tell you what I bet he can't wait to get out of here the amount of c**p he gets off Albion fans, you never know he might end up somewhere he is appreciated.

Everyone can slag off his attitude all they want but for him to go through what he has and now be as successful as he is he must have some kind of decent head on his shoulders.

Well said. Where is it written that in order to score goals you have to be a paragon of virtue? One important difference between us and clubs at the top of the league is how we manage our talent. Maybe this is what Saido can see. Maybe he isn't Mr Personality maybe he has a lot to learn about life and human nature. The difference is that if he was at Liverpool, Spurs etc they would support him regardless. If we want to be a premier league club we need to start embracing our prima donna's. Or maybe we would be happier in the lower leagues?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 04, 2015, 04:24:01 PM
Embracing Prima donnas? What like Spurs booing Adebayor ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on February 04, 2015, 04:27:37 PM
I have no trouble with his views , i think he just needs to think about when he says them , if he gets the goals that keep us up and the deals right for us I'll happily wish him well at one of the big clubs but until then he needs to get his head down and think about the team not just himself . To be honest he has got a lot more to achieve with us week in week out before he starts looking elsewhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on February 04, 2015, 04:31:29 PM
Embracing Prima donnas? What like Spurs booing Adebayor ?

Yeah not quite the same but I guess shot myself in the foot there mentioning Spurs still I think my point still stands  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on February 04, 2015, 04:32:46 PM
Hey Saido! If you can read this I've no issues with you putting yourself in the 'shop window'. Why don't you start on global TV this Sunday with a couple of goals against Burnley!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 04, 2015, 04:34:35 PM
Hey Saido! If you can read this I've no issues with you putting yourself in the 'shop window'. Why don't you start on global TV this Sunday with a couple of goals against Burnley!!

He likes scoring against them. Two of his whopping 9 goal tally came against them earlier in the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 04, 2015, 04:44:11 PM
in this day and age, would it not be feasible to write into a players contract that ALL press and social media "stuff" shall be reviewed by the PR department before release. fines, warnings will follow if not observed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 04, 2015, 04:45:31 PM
I have stopped listening to what players say, positive or negative, the only talk of importance to me is what they do on the pitch. :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on February 04, 2015, 04:46:33 PM
I really hate the fact we really need this imature fool ( theres so many words i could of used) Berahino knows we need him aswell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on February 04, 2015, 04:56:41 PM
in this day and age, would it not be feasible to write into a players contract that ALL press and social media "stuff" shall be reviewed by the PR department before release. fines, warnings will follow if not observed.

I like your thinking but I guess it would have to be a universal "bringing the game into disrepute" type law otherwise it could be used as another reason not to sign for us  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 04, 2015, 06:26:04 PM
in this day and age, would it not be feasible to write into a players contract that ALL press and social media "stuff" shall be reviewed by the PR department before release. fines, warnings will follow if not observed.
Would have thought so too mate? Company I last worked for had a clause saying basically I could not slag them off to the media.
Not saying Saido is but can be sensitive in football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on February 04, 2015, 06:33:28 PM
So can he please just shut up about everything and just play football for the next four months?  Help keep us up, sell himself to these fabulous big glamour clubs, then he can go on grudgingly reasonably good terms and we'll get £30m to soothe our feelings.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wardy65 on February 04, 2015, 06:38:07 PM
To me it is a big part of going to matches. Last season I took the little one to about a dozen games in the East Stand and couldn't handle - it was like being in church and the thought of standing up to sing would have made me feel like I was some kind of freak. So this season I returned to where I have been since I was a kid and went back to the Brummie. I am not the type to start the chanting off but I certainly don't need much encouragement to join in.
Buckster, get yourself & your nipper to the back of the Brummie where we are mate, around block E8 & you can join in with us. I take my 11 year old with me & he's like your lad .. Wants to join in the songs & hates the negativity. I'll start em off .. You join in .. Simples!
Also, nice one smethdan for asking the question, because too many love to moan without ever raising their voice in support of the team themselves!
Now, to get back on topic .... So much of what Saido comes out with just seems to me to come out of the Peter Odemwingie book of Twitter quotes. The lad really seems to go out of his way to rub us up the wrong way. I'm guessing that a certain Mr Pulis will be having a quiet word! Adil Nabi, I'm convinced will be featuring very soon on the Baggies sub's bench as his 1st team chances gather momentum with every Berahino Tweet!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on February 04, 2015, 07:36:13 PM
Frankly I do hope he scores the goals to keep us up and we can then pocket about 20 million quid for him
With that plus the money in the pot we can build a super team
We have nearly cleared the decks of players now so there is plenty of room on the wage bill to really do something next year - if we stop up
Saido really does nothing to get people to like him does he
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 04, 2015, 07:49:45 PM
Why are these interviews appearing so often? I think of young English footballers like Harry Kane, Charlie Austin and Danny Ings and I never see them angling out their future. I think we're all slightly naive if we expect Saido to be our next hero, he has made it quite clear that his future lies away from West Brom and I have no qualms about that - what I do have an annoyance about is several of his poorly timed comments at a time when everybody's focus should be on securing our Premier League safety.

Saido has the potential to be a very good player but he has to realise that he is not the finished article just yet and in terms of England selection, he is, in my opinion behind both Kane and Charlie Austin. The real shame about Saido's Albion career is that he should leave this club highly regarded as our most successful academy product - instead I fear he may leave this club with people remembering his attitude and off the field troubles rather than his success on it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 04, 2015, 07:57:55 PM
Why are these interviews appearing so often? I think of young English footballers like Harry Kane, Charlie Austin and Danny Ings and I never see them angling out their future. I think we're all slightly naive if we expect Saido to be our next hero, he has made it quite clear that his future lies away from West Brom and I have no qualms about that - what I do have an annoyance about is several of his poorly timed comments at a time when everybody's focus should be on securing our Premier League safety.

Saido has the potential to be a very good player but he has to realise that he is not the finished article just yet and in terms of England selection, he is, in my opinion behind both Kane and Charlie Austin. The real shame about Saido's Albion career is that he should leave this club highly regarded as our most successful academy product - instead I fear he may leave this club with people remembering his attitude and off the field troubles rather than his success on it.

They appear so often because by now even the press by now realise that this kid is brainless and can be relied on to give them something to print.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on February 04, 2015, 08:02:17 PM
Have his new contract negotiations officially broken down now? I can only assume he's lined himself a move in the summer, knowing that signing a massive contract with us will make him too expensive. As many on the Sky Sports link have said, he'll be the next Scott Sinclair...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on February 04, 2015, 08:09:56 PM
I would have thought that other clubs would be wary of buying him due to his recent exploits and not withstanding he is a bit immature. JP will make sure he gets a lot of money for him should he go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on February 04, 2015, 10:48:32 PM
Becoming a bit too billy big boots for my liking. Also doesnt seem to be the brightest bulb in the chandelier, based on what I've read, though the media are not renowned for accurate reporting. I think previous suggestions for a mentor were spot on, as without good advice and guidance, I can see his career going downhill fast.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Matty on February 04, 2015, 11:02:10 PM
I think Lescott needs to take Berahino to one side and say, 'I've won the Premier League, won cups, played for England in tournaments; you have done nothing Saido.' It's his second season, he needs knocking down a peg or ten. Talent will only get you so far, bad attitude can finish a career just as quickly as a bad tackle. He needs to take a look at Scott Sinclair, Steve Sidwell, Scott Parker, Jack Rodwell, Victor Moses etc etc to see what can happen if you go to a big club too soon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on February 05, 2015, 02:01:40 AM
Let's be honest, he's hardly had a superb season has he ?

Just 9 league goals, of which a few were penalties. If he wants the move he so craves, that needs to be at least 15 by the end of the season.

With our midfield i think thats pretty good myself personally.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on February 05, 2015, 02:43:30 AM
lets not forget for those mentioning he will be another odemwingie, Not everything odemwingie said was false now was it ? Id love to take the side of the club every time but im not going to be that naive on anything, Always two sides to a story.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 05, 2015, 06:18:19 AM
I can only see Mozza taking him to one side and having a 'word' soon  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 05, 2015, 09:36:20 AM
I have heard most media experts having a pop at him for his arrogance and him thinking he is better than West Bromwich Albion
Micky Quinn on Talksport the latest to have a go, there is also a rumour about him being a billy big boot when with England. Get rid asap
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on February 05, 2015, 10:05:00 AM
We should have sold him in Jan. Anichebe and Ideye would have fired the goals to keep us up.  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 05, 2015, 10:12:53 AM
He will be bigger than Real Madrid in a few years
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on February 05, 2015, 10:51:25 AM
West Brom legend warns Saido on conduct

West Brom legend Ally Robertson has warned Saido Berahino not to rock the boat – after the club’s top scorer admitted he hopes to move “on to bigger things.”

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Robertson believes the 21-year-old striker risks incurring the wrath of boss Tony Pulis.

It comes after Berahino gave an interview in which he also claimed fans will give him their blessing to depart, if he scores the goals to keep the Baggies in the Premier League.

The Express & Star understands Berahino did not have permission from the club to give the interview, the contents of which was widely publicised yesterday.

And Robertson said: “I think Mr Pulis would want everyone to be giving 100 per cent and not thinking about themselves.

“The position we are in needs that – the last thing we need is someone trying to rock the boat and not doing things for the team and for Albion but for themselves.

“Albion pay his wages at this moment in time and that needs to be his priority, not thinking about where he might be going next.”

Berahino has scored 14 goals this season and was linked with moves to Liverpool and Tottenham during the January transfer window, though Albion never received an enquiry.

But in yesterday’s interview, Berahino said: “I’ve got to stay focused on what I’m doing right now, which is scoring the goals and keeping West Brom in the Premier League.

“If I can keep them in the Premier League and score as many goals as I can, I’m pretty sure the fans wouldn’t mind me pushing on and going on to bigger things.

“I’m just flattered to be linked to all these sort of teams, but I stay focused.”

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/02/05/west-brom-legend-warns-saido-on-conduct/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 05, 2015, 10:54:28 AM
He will be bigger than Real Madrid in a few years

He will become the Galácticos to the Galácticos  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on February 05, 2015, 10:54:34 AM
I would love Pulis to drop him and play Ideye, someone who actually wants to be here if it wasn't for the fact we need Saido's goals to keep us up. Can't wait for him to leave to be honest.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on February 05, 2015, 10:58:05 AM
I would love Pulis to drop him and play Ideye, someone who actually wants to be here if it wasn't for the fact we need Saido's goals to keep us up. Can't wait for him to leave to be honest.

Same, sad to state of affairs that we have to use him as a means to an end because we screwed the transfer window up. Not a great example to other players, but we have no choice.

Unless Ideye miraculously comes up good in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 05, 2015, 11:09:59 AM
Same, sad to state of affairs that we have to use him as a means to an end because we screwed the transfer window up. Not a great example to other players, but we have no choice.

Unless Ideye miraculously comes up good in the next few weeks.

Now I would really love to see that happen, get the whole stadium singing his name after a hatrick against Swansea?
He's got to come good soon!
Hasn't he??  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on February 05, 2015, 11:21:00 AM
Now I would really love to see that happen, get the whole stadium singing his name after a hatrick against Swansea?
He's got to come good soon!
Hasn't he??  :o

We said the same about Sherjill McDonald!  :D

Ideye will never make it here or anywhere else in the Prem IMO. He just doesn't look suited. He reminds me a bit of Rosenberg. Scored plenty before and after his spell here. He will score goals in another country I'm almost certain.

As for Berahino, like him or not his goals will keep us up. Lets at least get behind him whilst he's still here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MBWBA on February 05, 2015, 11:27:06 AM
As along as he knows if he performs well and scores more goals between now and the end of the season he is more likely to get the move he wants then whats the problem?

We all know that he wants the move and I for one wouldn't mind if he left after helping secure prem survival.

I recon all the players know he wants to move and some may even want him to.

His interview hasn't revealed anything we don't already know.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 05, 2015, 11:33:17 AM
I really hope it clicks for Brown instead and he can be the hero and fan favourite. Forget Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on February 05, 2015, 11:35:59 AM
Honestly can't wait for the day he is sold. To say he comes from such a poor background he doesn't sound humble or grateful at all for what we as a club have done for him.

He had an mediocre season last season and this year he's hardly set the world alight with Kane, Austin and Ings well ahead of him. Have any of these come out to the press? No. He's selfish and only interested in himself.

It's a sorry state of affairs when we all want our most successful academy player out the door in the summer, but he's brought it all on himself.

Take anything above £15 million and run.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 05, 2015, 11:56:22 AM
As along as he knows if he performs well and scores more goals between now and the end of the season he is more likely to get the move he wants then whats the problem?

We all know that he wants the move and I for one wouldn't mind if he left after helping secure prem survival.

I recon all the players know he wants to move and some may even want him to.

His interview hasn't revealed anything we don't already know.

Its not about the content of the article, as you say the interview hasn't revealed anything we don't already know, its more the timing and the Self-centeredness and selfishness that comes through.

Additionally, he gave the interview without the clubs permission which demonstrates a level of arrogance and again flies in the face of authority, which he seems to have a problem with. He also comes across at times and presents himself as being another "Special One".

Will someone tell me what this lad has achieved so far in his career, have I missed a PL leading goals scorer, a PL winner, an FA Cup Winner, a League Cup Winner, and England Cap at senior level, what?

Reading the article he does mention he is flattered at being linked to famous clubs, but how many, if any, have put a bid in for him. He is young, in-experienced and believes his own media hype, silly boy.

What about the club and his team mates and, quite frankly, without them he'd probably be nothing.

I hope he does fire the goals to keep us up, but it will only be what he is being very well paid to do. Loyalty does not appear to feature in his Lexicon.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on February 05, 2015, 12:05:30 PM
Keep us up son ,and then on your bike for as much has we can get .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 05, 2015, 12:21:06 PM
Great article from BT Sport. Spot on

http://sport.bt.com/sport-football/columnists/saido-berahino-should-take-lessons-from-harry-kane-on-fulfilling-potential-S11363959696730

They are both 21, strikers, full of goals, collecting new contracts like postage stamps and are being touted as the future of England, yet that is where the comparisons begin and end with Saido Berahino and Harry Kane.
 
Last weekend the pair shared the same pitch when West Brom played host to Tottenham yet it was young Mr Kane of Spurs who looked the real deal.
 
The cameras will be on Kane again this weekend, in the high-octane North London derby, and who would bet against the player adding to his 20-goal tally?
 
National head coach Roy Hodgson reacted to the clamour for Berahino by calling him up in the autumn in what was unbelievably bad timing considering the forward was nabbed for drink-driving shortly afterwards.
 
Since then, Hodgson has dropped heavy hints about Kane this spring, complimentary sentiments echoed by Under-21 coach Gareth Southgate.
 
Barring unforeseen circumstances, it will be Kane’s name on the England senior squad roster for the match against Lithuania at the end of March. The intriguing question is whether Berahino will have kept his place.
 
Here is a player with oodles of talent and who combines searing pace with a knack for deadly finishing.
 
The word that springs to mind on regular observation is ‘raw’. Unfortunately 14-goal Berahino comes across as someone who is already looking at further horizons and his comments about leaving The Hawthorns for a ‘bigger’ club are ill-advised at least.
 
He has grabbed more headlines for his off-pitch antics than his on-pitch exploits. Even scoring a hat-trick against Gateshead in the FA Cup turned into an example of huge grumpiness from someone who cannot handle criticism.
 
Apparently there is nothing in the rules about celebrating when you grab three goals in one match.
 
Perhaps not, but Berahino came across as a moody teenager with an attitude problem. He still lives with his mother and fully deserved a rap across the knuckles for that incident.
 
Kane, on the other hand, looks as if he is enjoying every second of his amazing elevation. He smiles, he shoots, and he can take a mean free-kick and deliver a through-ball too.
 
Hopefully he will do something special against Arsenal. Hopefully the cameras will close in on his big grin. Hopefully Berahino will watch and learn.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 05, 2015, 12:21:40 PM
Keep us up son ,and then on your bike for as much has we can get .

Isn't that what he has said he's committed to doing ?

I imagine someone from sky has phoned him asked some leading questions and the kid answered them honestly. he's been set up , FFS he's 21 and a footballer not an experienced politician.

yes, I agree he needs muzzling, but personally I blame SKY more than Saido for spinning this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 05, 2015, 12:24:17 PM
He's up for sale according to the Guardian
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 05, 2015, 12:26:18 PM
Soory, here's the Source:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11392499/Saido-Berahino-put-up-for-sale-by-furious-West-Bromwich-Albion.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on February 05, 2015, 12:36:17 PM
With his track record of opening his gob , he should have told em where to go . All it's been is disrespectful behaviour for a long time . Sooner he is gone the better .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on February 05, 2015, 12:38:44 PM
Interesting article, also the one about him playing with an injury against Gateshead. No reason to play with a face like a smacked @rse though!

Out of interest, does anyone know who is agent is? Is a big one or just one of his mates?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on February 05, 2015, 12:48:21 PM
I'd put him back were he came from, (the reserves) until he f!!!s off at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 05, 2015, 12:49:54 PM
I'd put him back were he came from, (the reserves) until he f!!!s off at the end of the season.


Totally agree, toss pots like these that are killing my affection for football, player attitude really narks me

Its a good job hes playing away from home this weekend
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 05, 2015, 12:51:21 PM
I'd put him back were he came from, (the reserves) until he f!!!s off at the end of the season.

Once we're safe then thats fine. Until then we need him firing.

Hopefully he just continues to pick up goals, if he rates himself and wants the move he will need to score more. Once we are safe, see you later pal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 05, 2015, 12:53:03 PM
I was going to say I think we should cash in, and reinvest in the team, in the summer. He thinks he's something incredible, but he isn't - what he contributes isn't worth the headaches.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 05, 2015, 12:56:09 PM
If you were TP, would you pick him for the starting eleven for Saturday's game?

I wouldn't, stage left Brown Ideye, your big chance is here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mat15(MH) on February 05, 2015, 01:06:34 PM
If you were TP, would you pick him for the starting eleven for Saturday's game?

I wouldn't, stage left Brown Ideye, your big chance is here.

I'd still pick him, and would do every week.

He's obviously got a bit of an attitude problem to say the least, but he's our only real goal threat and as nice as it would be to take the high ground with him, we need Berahino in the team and scoring goals if we are to stay up. And unfortunately, I think he knows that if you see what I mean.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 05, 2015, 01:10:26 PM
He quite clearly doesn't care about the Albion and is a proven sulker.

IMO, it would be a bigger risk playing him in his current state of mind.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on February 05, 2015, 01:33:30 PM
If pulis can keep us up without berahino really he should win manager of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on February 05, 2015, 01:42:49 PM
The kid is an ungrateful little scumbag who has forgotten that if it wasn't for West Bromwich Albion he'd most likely be a jobless plastic gangsta on some dodgy Birmingham sink estate.

He was within an inch of being thrown out by Hodgson after some appalling behaviour whilst on loan at Brentford, he was scoring goals for them but his behaviour was so unacceptable they got rid immediately. He was then nursed through a long term injury by us.

I guarantee that this little runt will not be playing top level football in five years time, in his head he's made it and that wlll mean the workrate will drop off and his talents regress.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on February 05, 2015, 02:04:06 PM
Knowing what we know now it is a pity that we didn't push the boat out during the recent transfer window and landed a top class replacement. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on February 05, 2015, 02:26:15 PM
We do seem to have a good solid bunch of pros in a dressing room who work hard and take their responsibilities seriously. Hopefully, Saido takes this in because talent is one thing, application is another. He's the sort of player that needs to feel special to give him confidence to score so provided the club play the game of building him up but reigning him back now and again I think he'll be fine.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DaveWBA on February 05, 2015, 02:28:46 PM
If he scores the goals that keep us up then for me he's earnt a shot with a better side. I expect no loyalty, why would you? He has every right to be an ambitious young man. However, as Rowley points out his attitude will undermine his ambition and he'll end up at Rotherham the season after next.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on February 05, 2015, 02:31:52 PM
I'd still pick him, and would do every week.

He's obviously got a bit of an attitude problem to say the least, but he's our only real goal threat and as nice as it would be to take the high ground with him, we need Berahino in the team and scoring goals if we are to stay up. And unfortunately, I think he knows that if you see what I mean.

If we want to win games between now and the end of the season we will have to play him.

Now the window has closed theres not much choice.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 05, 2015, 02:33:09 PM
It’s just one thing after another with this halfwit, after every misdemeanour the clubs propaganda machine churns out a new voice to pronounce his attitude is infact exemplary and he is simply misunderstood. I think it was just last week when we had some muppet from the academy whacking off in the press about his character, application and secret non celebration reasoning.  Well finally it looks like enough is enough, the club have nurtured him, developed him, stuck by him through serious injury, misbehaviours and also protected him with this constant stream of ‘Oh he is actually a lovely chap’ bulls**t.   I've had enough, I’ll be glad when he is gone.

But what a shame this has all been, as fans we have been desperate for years - decades even, for the club to produce a talent which has been grown within our own academy.   Not only that but when we finally do the player has a genuine ‘rags to riches’ story and what’s more is a striker, nothing connects fans like a true goalscorer.   Unfortunately the player concerned turns out to be an ungrateful toss pot with a huge chip on his shoulder and thinks only of one thing: himself.

More than ever, if he is to move onto ‘better things’ it’s in his best interests to produce the goods for us now but I think this could all turn very ugly before then.  If fans perceive he is not applying himself in games or if he retaliates to a bit of stick from the terraces by swinging his shoulders in a nonchalant manner, the atmosphere could really turn toxic against him.  Why couldn't he just keep his gob shut...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on February 05, 2015, 02:46:56 PM
Did he actually say 'If I keep them up'? as if he is some lone crusader, our only hope? If so he is a prize bell end.
I would seriously consider dropping him. By playing him we are just enforcing his over inflated opinion of himself.
He's a spoiled runt who thinks he's too big for our little club, well guess what bigshot I'll still be supporting this great club when your a fat, bloated faced hasbeen, lamenting your inevitable fall from grace.
Come on Ideye find your shooting boots sunshine!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DaveWBA on February 05, 2015, 02:50:06 PM
Did he actually say 'If I keep them up'? as if he is some lone crusader, our only hope? If so he is a prize bell end.
I would seriously consider dropping him. By playing him we are just enforcing his over inflated opinion of himself.
He's a spoiled runt who thinks he's too big for our little club, well guess what bigshot I'll still be supporting this great club when your a fat, bloated faced hasbeen, lamenting your inevitable fall from grace.
Come on Ideye find your shooting boots sunshine!

By not playing him we rid ourselves of the only player we have in our squad at the moment who ever looks like scoring a goal. Obviously the dream scenario is Ideye finding some form but you just can't see it happening, can you?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on February 05, 2015, 02:56:23 PM
I'm sure Mr Peace will get a nice, fat transfer fee from a big club, so Berahino can warm the reserves bench.

The lad is a ticking timebomb.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on February 05, 2015, 03:10:32 PM
By not playing him we rid ourselves of the only player we have in our squad at the moment who ever looks like scoring a goal. Obviously the dream scenario is Ideye finding some form but you just can't see it happening, can you?
I know mate that's why the transfer window was so frustrating. That being said every goal will be a bit tainted for me.
Time for a real hero now, step up Brown!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 05, 2015, 03:14:14 PM
He absolutely has to produce the goods with us if he wants the "big" move and all the off field shenanigans cannot be good for his prospects.  The only way he will get it would be to bang in at least 6 goals over the rest of the season at that point his goal scoring ability will be seen as worth the risk, anything less and the big clubs will steer clear.

Regardless of things turn out for us or him, we should ship him out this summer for the best price we can get. The catalogue of off field incidents and attitude issues is growing too long and he just does not seem to learn from his mistakes.

 I don't blame the club for trying to minimise the impact  of his attitude and persevering with him  in spite of being let down by him on a number of occasions because he is a talented player, but he does not have a unique talent unless you count the ability to do or say the wrong thing at the wrong time.

I am saddened by the way things seem to be turning out my only hope is that he knuckles down produces the goods and earns his move. That would be the best outcome for all concerned.     

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Stroller on February 05, 2015, 03:51:00 PM
Not sure what the fuss is here.

It's been an open secret that Saido will be going at the end of this season. The contract talks were halted ages ago. Nothing has changed. The only thing that's happened is that Berahino has spoken (hardly in intemperate terms) to a news outlet without the club's permission. He didn't say anything bad or suprising about either the Albion or his own ambitions.

The Baggies are happy to move him on for a pot of money. If a club had come in with a big offer last week they'd have taken it. Both parties (SB and WBA) are realistic about this.

(Sadly) I'm old enough to remember Bryan Robson's departure to ManU in the early 80s. He was courted by Utd and Liverpool for ages, and Albion offered him a pot of money to stay, but he let it be known that he wanted out, and put in a transfer request. Can't see that Berahino's situation is much different. So long as he keeps playing with a professional attitude (which he's said he'll do, and which he'll need to do in order to demonstrate to "bigger" clubs that he is the type of player that will be worth rewarding with a contract) then everything will be fine.

He could do a lot worse: refuse to play, not put in any effort etc. Many players do this in order to force a move.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 05, 2015, 04:02:17 PM
Talking about him on Talksport if anyones interested
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on February 05, 2015, 04:04:06 PM
Talking about him on Talksport if anyones interested

I'd rather listen to the neighbour's dog's opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 05, 2015, 04:04:12 PM
Lots of WBA fans bemoan the club lacking Ambishun,
Saido has expressed that he has Ambition and gets dogs abuse.

As said above at least we all know where we stand. He does the biz we likely stay up, he gets a move, everyone wins.

Muzzle him and let him do his job.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on February 05, 2015, 04:09:37 PM
Not sure what the fuss is here.

It's been an open secret that Saido will be going at the end of this season. The contract talks were halted ages ago. Nothing has changed. The only thing that's happened is that Berahino has spoken (hardly in intemperate terms) to a news outlet without the club's permission. He didn't say anything bad or suprising about either the Albion or his own ambitions.

The Baggies are happy to move him on for a pot of money. If a club had come in with a big offer last week they'd have taken it. Both parties (SB and WBA) are realistic about this.

(Sadly) I'm old enough to remember Bryan Robson's departure to ManU in the early 80s. He was courted by Utd and Liverpool for ages, and Albion offered him a pot of money to stay, but he let it be known that he wanted out, and put in a transfer request. Can't see that Berahino's situation is much different. So long as he keeps playing with a professional attitude (which he's said he'll do, and which he'll need to do in order to demonstrate to "bigger" clubs that he is the type of player that will be worth rewarding with a contract) then everything will be fine.

He could do a lot worse: refuse to play, not put in any effort etc. Many players do this in order to force a move.

I'm with you mate I honestly can't believe the backlash, the only quote I can find is this;

“If I can keep them in the Premier League and score as many goals as I can, I’m pretty sure the fans wouldn’t mind me pushing on and going on to bigger things.”

If that is giving people the hump then maybe its them with the issues not Saido. Its not as if out of no where he has thought to himself he's getting a big move people have been on about it for about 5 months.

He has not disrespected the club or nothing like players such as Robbo and Curtis Davies did. Just a shame that we have waited years for a young lad to come through the academy and now we have one the fans can't wait to get rid  :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 05, 2015, 04:10:04 PM
Talking about him on Talksport if anyones interested

Can you post a précis of what was said?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: robnewbold on February 05, 2015, 04:13:46 PM
Seeing what he has said holds no surprises for anyone who has also seen the totally idiotic sort of money the likes of Ronaldo are on.

He has said he wants to keep us up and is focused on doing so.

We have stated that if someone comes in with the right amount of money we will sell him.

Loyalty works both ways and in the current fantasy world of modern football it does not mean anything when tempted with a huge pay cheque for the player or the club.

Lets hope to goodness he stays focused and scores a plenty, because if he doesn't we are relegated.

But how id like Brown Ideye to come on after 75 minutes at Turf Moor and score a hat-trick!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 05, 2015, 04:39:24 PM
Seeing what he has said holds no surprises for anyone who has also seen the totally idiotic sort of money the likes of Ronaldo are on.

He has said he wants to keep us up and is focused on doing so.

We have stated that if someone comes in with the right amount of money we will sell him.

Loyalty works both ways and in the current fantasy world of modern football it does not mean anything when tempted with a huge pay cheque for the player or the club.

Lets hope to goodness he stays focused and scores a plenty, because if he doesn't we are relegated.

But how id like Brown Ideye to come on after 75 minutes at Turf Moor and score a hat-trick!

Melchester rovers I'm afraid ! Would be nice if dreams came true though :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 05, 2015, 04:44:20 PM
Melchester rovers I'm afraid ! Would be nice if dreams came true though :D

hah ha true. More Blackey Grey than Brown Ideye!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on February 05, 2015, 04:52:16 PM
Surely there MUST be a few talented strikers in the lower leagues who would snap our hands off to play for 'little old albion'. I really don't get this current obsession with 'premiership experience' etc. Most premiership players are hardly Messi are they? It cant be that much of a step-up to play up front for us. And enjoy every second of it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 05, 2015, 05:03:15 PM
Between 5-6 on talksport, give them a call
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on February 05, 2015, 05:09:54 PM
I wonder what tony thinks.we will know on Sunday .seriously when I think of bomber brown and what he earned this little shirt wants a good kicking . Sorry lads that's my opinion .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on February 05, 2015, 05:10:15 PM
I honestly cant wait for the summer to come along so we can sell the arrogant little tosser.  I'm beyond sick of hearing about him now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 05, 2015, 06:15:32 PM
Dare I say it?..... What about Lee Hughes?
He could tell him what can happen when you go "over the top" with anything, and the consequences.
Also he would make a good back up striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: simonbaggie on February 05, 2015, 06:24:28 PM
Alright saying sell him - needs to find someone to buy him first. If he keeps saying in the media he wants to leave, and has a lazy attitude who is going to want to pay a lot of money for him?

Liverpool look set to sign Ings
Spurs have Kane on fire / would probably go for Austin if qpr go down
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on February 05, 2015, 06:31:14 PM
Same, sad to state of affairs that we have to use him as a means to an end because we screwed the transfer window up. Not a great example to other players, but we have no choice.

Unless Ideye miraculously comes up good in the next few weeks.
.    How did we screw the transfer window up ?. Typical fans Boo a player who loves the club in Brown and want him out . Yet a player who the club have looked after, educated, housed him and his family , put him a position where he will have the wealth most people can only dream  does nothing but try and undermine the club who feed him I say don't offer him a new contract , make him see out his present one till 2017 and only sell him  when it suits the club 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiecarl on February 05, 2015, 06:42:35 PM
Alright saying sell him - needs to find someone to buy him first. If he keeps saying in the media he wants to leave, and has a lazy attitude who is going to want to pay a lot of money for him?

Liverpool look set to sign Ings
Spurs have Kane on fire / would probably go for Austin if qpr go down
Regarding saido : if his ability matched his mouth and ego , he would have been playing for a top Four side already.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on February 05, 2015, 06:51:22 PM
Crazy backlash. Sometimes I wonder if his background works against him in the eyes of some fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on February 05, 2015, 07:13:21 PM
Crazy backlash. Sometimes I wonder if his background works against him in the eyes of some fans.

For me the backlash is because this statement is the straw that broke the camels back, it's not the statement alone that has caused all this but after all of the shenanigans listed on here there has to be a point of no return with regards his actions.

Yes, other players have done silly things off the pitch (we've had our fair share!) but the continual list of off field mistakes and attitude issues coupled with the "I'm too good for you lot" statement has become too much.

I love players to be ambitious and want to move on, I don't even mind them mentioning it (occasionally) but there are ways of doing it that keeps everyone onside. Saido is too young to remember Enzo but if he wanted to see a young player enjoying his game at the Albion and then moving to a big club it wouldn't be a bad place to start!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 05, 2015, 07:23:25 PM
You really want to like an Albion natural goalscorer - how often do they come along !

However, this guy really does make it difficult to take to him with his persistent attitude problems.

Unfortunately, with our failings in the Transfer Window to bring in a competent striker, we have to rely upon this guy to knuckle down and stay on form and injury free - literally our survival is in his hands as none of the other players have the ability to hit the net regularly.

Imagine having to rely upon Vic and Ideye for a period of time ?  Might as well hold up the white flag because those two will struggle to get another 5 league goals against them.

Very sad situation and yet another feeling that we've been here before.................... >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 05, 2015, 07:25:00 PM
.    How did we screw the transfer window up ?.

Must have missed something then ?   Did we get a striker and another pacey winger/forward player in then ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on February 05, 2015, 07:44:52 PM
Crazy backlash my backside . Stick to facts . From an early age he has been looked after by the club . He was on 800 pound a week which is more than a lot of people get . This supposedly was increased to 14k a week . Not a bad rise hey . Numerous examples of bad behaviour and this is his latest example . His colour is nowt to do with it . His behaviour has . Some people don't have the values of respect for our club . I would have run a mile to play for this great club . He has been given a talent , it's time he started to repay the great way he has been treated.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiecarl on February 05, 2015, 08:04:13 PM
Crazy backlash. Sometimes I wonder if his background works against him in the eyes of some fans.
Well ,if Saido keeps his own counsel and shows a touch of humility ; instead of referring to the club as keeping "Them up" instead of  "Us UP"  , then there would be no perceived  backlash or hostility towards him.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on February 05, 2015, 09:08:30 PM
He is in desperate need of some proper media/PR coaching. He needs to learn to dodge/ignore certain questions from the press which may cause controversy. In short, he needs to start giving generic/boring/predictable answers to questions and a lot of this trouble would go away.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 05, 2015, 10:23:04 PM
He is in desperate need of some proper media/PR coaching. He needs to learn to dodge/ignore certain questions from the press which may cause controversy. In short, he needs to start giving generic/boring/predictable answers to questions and a lot of this trouble would go away.

Or better still just keep his mouth shut. Act dumb, he should be able to do that with aplomb
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 05, 2015, 10:41:36 PM
He is in desperate need of some proper media/PR coaching. He needs to learn to dodge/ignore certain questions from the press which may cause controversy. In short, he needs to start giving generic/boring/predictable answers to questions and a lot of this trouble would go away.

It's a fair point. But you would suspect that avoiding leading questions is a basic thing that is taught to young footballers.

The Journo no doubt asked him "so what happens after this season". I doubt he just starting off on that line without being asked. But as others have said, he needed to give an answer that was non committal. It's not like his agent won't be telling the top 8 clubs what they really want.

Either he has no one in his life giving him decent advice, or he's really really stupid. Probably both! It's just a huge shame, because he could easily play this differently. Still leave for a Champions League club, but leave with our blessing. This way around I'm going to end up hoping his knee explodes like Pete's the day after he goes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on February 05, 2015, 11:04:05 PM
Must have missed something then ?   Did we get a striker and another pacey winger/forward player in then ?
.    Fact! the parent club pulled the plug on the Cole deal. 2  Must have forgot about  Mr McManaman signing  3 People read into to Much press hype when players names are banded about in the papers , andalso read Bill Howells tweets on transfer deadline day we was trying to bring in another But unless you are the Chelsea's of this world with the odd millions in petty cash it's a bad time to do business ,ask Hull,Burnley, and QPR
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 05, 2015, 11:12:51 PM
.    Fact! the parent club pulled the plug on the Cole deal. 2  Must have forgot about  Mr McManaman signing  3 People read into to Much press hype when players names are banded about in the papers , andalso read Bill Howells tweets on transfer deadline day we was trying to bring in another But unless you are the Chelsea's of this world with the odd millions in petty cash it's a bad time to do business ,ask Hull,Burnley, and QPR

No, hadn't missed that but Cole was hardly the greatest after a month of trying ! Plus we NEEDED more in key areas.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on February 05, 2015, 11:27:44 PM
No, hadn't missed that but Cole was hardly the greatest after a month of trying ! Plus we NEEDED more in key areas.
.    Is that your opinion or Tony Pulis or is it the Royal We. Only I haven't heard any quote from our Manager/ Head Coach on a disappointing transfer window , matter a fact I think he got his two main targets
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on February 06, 2015, 12:23:54 AM
For me he is digging a huge hole for himself, liverpool look like they want Ings, spurs have Kane, and for a similar amount of money that we are going to want for him possibly someone like Lavezzi or Higuain will be available, he could end up not wanted by any if the big teams which would leave him stuck here. Apart from the top 6/7 teams the table can change season on season so could be hard for him to actually get a move which is an improvement on 'lil old Albion' don't bite the hand that feeds you and all that Saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albionden on February 06, 2015, 12:34:48 AM
I feel hes  burnt his bridges here and will end up having to leave , and to a club that might not be as BIG as he currently hopes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on February 06, 2015, 01:24:08 AM
I'm feeling a little irate about this fella. Where the f''k does he really see himself?! His recent form is 'up in the air' - his goal v Hull was 'blagged'.....Sess put his goal on a plate v West Ham.....and he had a 'field day' against a bunch of accountants and painters and decorators!! The more he professes his worth, the easier it is to ridicule his substance. Unfortunately off the pitch....the boy lacks class, it's a fact. Our wonderful club has taken this 'lost soul', nurtured him, supported him, encouraged him, stood by him, rewarded him, protected him and cherished him -  and this his how we're repayed! I'm not Ideye's biggest fan....however he hasn't moaned, groaned or shown any disrespect to the fans whatsoever... his situation is tough to put it mildly. He has conducted himself throughout with the upmost dignity and I sincerely hope he keeps Saido out of the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on February 06, 2015, 01:55:15 AM
I'm feeling a little irate about this fella. Where the f''k does he really see himself?! His recent form is 'up in the air' - his goal v Hull was 'blagged'.....Sess put his goal on a plate v West Ham.....and he had a 'field day' against a bunch of accountants and painters and decorators!! The more he professes his worth, the easier it is to ridicule his substance. Unfortunately off the pitch....the boy lacks class, it's a fact. Our wonderful club has taken this 'lost soul', nurtured him, supported him, encouraged him, stood by him, rewarded him, protected him and cherished him -  and this his how we're repayed! I'm not Ideye's biggest fan....however he hasn't moaned, groaned or shown any disrespect to the fans whatsoever... his situation is tough to put it mildly. He has conducted himself throughout with the upmost dignity and I sincerely hope he keeps Saido out of the team.

GREAT post and my sentiments exactly - this situation will be a BIG test of TP's management skills
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 06, 2015, 04:35:24 AM
Its going to be like this all season, he really has made a rod for his own back

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-transfer-target-saido-berahino-5113576
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 06, 2015, 08:38:52 AM
Its going to be like this all season, he really has made a rod for his own back

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-transfer-target-saido-berahino-5113576

I feel another punch up coming up in the not so distant future
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 06, 2015, 08:51:50 AM
Why do I get the feeling that this is really a media dig at Roy Hodgson. "How can you pick SB for the England squad when we have Spurs & QPR players who are so much better?" What a coincidence that both are London clubs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 06, 2015, 09:02:41 AM
I feel another punch up coming up in the not so distant future



he should be dropped with immediate effect
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jimmyj on February 06, 2015, 09:07:24 AM
To everybody saying "Drop him", "put him in the reserves" and the like....
.....who are you expecting to actually score goals instead?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 06, 2015, 09:11:55 AM
To everybody saying "Drop him", "put him in the reserves" and the like....
.....who are you expecting to actually score goals instead?

Exactly. Nobody will.

We need him in, but as soon as we're safe , he needs dropping.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on February 06, 2015, 09:12:11 AM
It's a bad state of affairs when a premier league club has only one decent goal scorer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on February 06, 2015, 09:17:54 AM
Just thinking about this . If by chance we do stop up and sell him , 2 half decent strikers come to mind Troy Deeney and Jordan Rhodes with maybe a little bit on top for a creative midfielder . Just thoughts chaps .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 06, 2015, 09:18:46 AM
I feel hes  burnt his bridges here and will end up having to leave , and to a club that might not be as BIG as he currently hopes

His progress is heading the way of our last "big fish in a little pool" went to a "big" club - Villa and now struggles to get into Hulls team
Saido take heed you could be another Curtis  :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 06, 2015, 09:20:43 AM
It's a bad state of affairs when a premier league club has only one decent goal scorer.

Top 4/6 aside can you name many teams that have 2 good goal scorers?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 06, 2015, 09:20:48 AM
His progress is heading the way of our last "big fish in a little pool" went to a "big" club - Villa and now struggles to get into Hulls team
Saido take heed you could be another Curtis  :(

He will be IMO. Attitude stinks and I can't see him at a massive club. I hope he fails dismally once he leaves us. I like nothing more than see a cocky and arrogant person on the slide.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 06, 2015, 09:26:33 AM
Why do I get the feeling that this is really a media dig at Roy Hodgson. "How can you pick SB for the England squad when we have Spurs & QPR players who are so much better?" What a coincidence that both are London clubs.

I don't think it's a dig, I think it's a fact
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 06, 2015, 09:27:15 AM
I'm feeling a little irate about this fella. Where the f''k does he really see himself?! His recent form is 'up in the air' - his goal v Hull was 'blagged'.....Sess put his goal on a plate v West Ham.....and he had a 'field day' against a bunch of accountants and painters and decorators!! The more he professes his worth, the easier it is to ridicule his substance. Unfortunately off the pitch....the boy lacks class, it's a fact. Our wonderful club has taken this 'lost soul', nurtured him, supported him, encouraged him, stood by him, rewarded him, protected him and cherished him -  and this his how we're repayed! I'm not Ideye's biggest fan....however he hasn't moaned, groaned or shown any disrespect to the fans whatsoever... his situation is tough to put it mildly. He has conducted himself throughout with the upmost dignity and I sincerely hope he keeps Saido out of the team.

Bang on! Jumped up little sod.

Where's Mozza when you need him???!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 06, 2015, 09:32:32 AM
I don't think it's a dig, I think it's a fact

Just say that then, can't imagine Harry Kane & Charlie Austin are squeaky clean either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 06, 2015, 10:06:32 AM
In one way, I'm glad Roy didn't give him a senior game for England, he's bad enough now just imagine if he'd got a full England Cap what his Hattitude would be  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 06, 2015, 10:08:35 AM
In one way, I'm glad Roy didn't give him a senior game for England, he's bad enough now just imagine if he'd got a full England Cap what his Hattitude would be  :D

You are right, he would be even more unbearable now!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: garry on February 06, 2015, 10:19:29 AM
In one way, I'm glad Roy didn't give him a senior game for England, he's bad enough now just imagine if he'd got a full England Cap what his Hattitude would be  :D
He must be one of the very few players we have who is not a senior international.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on February 06, 2015, 10:28:28 AM
Why is it always one saga after another with us. Fed up with bad blood within the camp and causing disharmony. Anelka, Odemwingie (After once being our hero), now Saido. One flipping thing after another.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 06, 2015, 10:33:36 AM
Reflecting on this situation he’s options are a little thin on the ground.  The only clubs that have the financial clout to sign Berahino are Spurs and Liverpool, while Chelsea, City, United and Arsenal simply won’t be interested. 

Will Brendon Rodgers want the hassle, Liverpool is a club that like to pride themselves on developing role models, he brought a temperamental striker in Balottelli in the summer and he has been a major flop.  Berahino and Sterling are also as thick as thieves, having known each other for a while, will Rodgers want Berahino influence corrupting his star Sterling, especially after he worked so hard to straighten out Sterling’s attitude, maybe not.  As for Spurs there’s no guarantee they will want him either, they have Kane who is a far better sort than Berahino and they may prefer to bring someone in with experience who he can learn from and who can take the burden off him.

It could just be possible that we will end up being stuck with each other.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 06, 2015, 10:39:56 AM
i can see him going to somewhere like Qatar / Abu dhabi or even china where the mega bucks are.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 06, 2015, 10:54:58 AM
i can see him going to somewhere like Qatar / Abu dhabi or even china where the mega bucks are.

He's after prestige, not money, can't see him going there. As far as I can see he's reacting to questions from the media, he's just naive in the way he answers them.
For those comparing, he's nothing like Odemwingie, he proactively slated the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 06, 2015, 11:05:30 AM
Just say that then, can't imagine Harry Kane & Charlie Austin are squeaky clean either.

Probably not no, but at least they have the nouse to just get on with their jobs and no go squawking to the papers or getting themselves in trouble every 5 minutes.
I means whats in the kids head? Rocks?
What is the mentality of a professional sportsman filming himself (or allowing himself to be filmed) doing wrong in the knowledge that it could end up in the public domain?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 06, 2015, 11:12:18 AM
This whole scenario with Berahino means that it is even more vital that our other attacking players, namely Ideye and Sessegnon start scoring.

Problem is that Berahino is a legend in his own mind, players such as Lescott and Fletcher have achieved more in their careers than Berahino ever will. So he needs to realise that he isn't the 'big man' at the club and he needs to realise that big teams won't play him.

At 20m I would rip a teams hand off and we can get a humble striker in. For the record I still maintain the abuse of him was over the top.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 06, 2015, 11:41:14 AM
This whole scenario with Berahino means that it is even more vital that our other attacking players, namely Ideye and Sessegnon start scoring.

Problem is that Berahino is a legend in his own mind, players such as Lescott and Fletcher have achieved more in their careers than Berahino ever will. So he needs to realise that he isn't the 'big man' at the club and he needs to realise that big teams won't play him.

At 20m I would rip a teams hand off and we can get a humble striker in. For the record I still maintain the abuse of him was over the top.

I can see it getting worse.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's not taken out of the firing line soon or risk another Odemwingie saga.
Our fans put up with most things, we have to, but disrespecting the club and fan base is not accepted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 06, 2015, 12:11:24 PM
As much as we need his goals I would love nothing more than too see him dropped.

Come on Ideye get your game together son so we can drop this idiot.

Im done with Berahino, goals or not id like to see him playing in the stiffs instead and then sold to anyone that will take him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Stroller on February 06, 2015, 12:17:55 PM
Listen to what Matt LeTiss has to say about modern football after the 4:00 minute mark in the following video, and then reflect on all the overblown hoo-ha and outrage about Saido on this thread. http://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2015/jan/29/matt-le-tissier-video-interview (http://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2015/jan/29/matt-le-tissier-video-interview)

He's right! Everything that is said and done gets blown out of all proportion. Saido has not said anything disrespectful or controversial. He's just told it like it is, and is going to be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 06, 2015, 12:28:11 PM
what a top bloke and not a bad player too. Tiss that is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 06, 2015, 12:33:15 PM
Listen to what Matt LeTiss has to say about modern football after the 4:00 minute mark in the following video, and then reflect on all the overblown hoo-ha and outrage about Saido on this thread. http://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2015/jan/29/matt-le-tissier-video-interview (http://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2015/jan/29/matt-le-tissier-video-interview)

He's right! Everything that is said and done gets blown out of all proportion. Saido has not said anything disrespectful or controversial. He's just told it like it is, and is going to be.

He has been disrespectful to his teammates by saying he wants to go on to bigger and better things, he clearly believes he is a big fish in a small pond when the reality is he is a talented boy but far from the finished article.

It should tell Saido all he needs to know that despite all the links that appear in the press not one club has made a bid for him, I think he's got a shock coming in the Summer as the move he will be expecting may not materialise.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 06, 2015, 12:34:58 PM
As much as we need his goals I would love nothing more than too see him dropped.

Come on Ideye get your game together son so we can drop this idiot.

Im done with Berahino, goals or not id like to see him playing in the stiffs instead and then sold to anyone that will take him

He's got us over a barrel, he knows we need to play him in the hope he does get the goals to keep us up. Like you I would like nothing more than for someone else to step up so we can drop him, he believes he is bigger than the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 06, 2015, 12:41:02 PM
I don't necessarily believe all the stuff in the press, what will be telling is how his team mates react when (if) he next scores, I'll be watching that very closely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jsam on February 06, 2015, 12:42:39 PM
I suppose you've got to remember that the lad is only 20, but his comments have made me very angry. It's not as if Berahino has come to us recently - we've nurtured him since he was a boy. We're family and he needs to respect that.

He's got a lot to learn as a footballer, but more to learn about growing up.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on February 06, 2015, 12:45:59 PM
He probably is telling it like it is, but what he's said shows a complete lack of awareness, humility and respect for others, and he did not have the permission of the club.  I'm fed up with him being the centre of attention and my club being associated with his thoughtless actions.

He's been at this club for 11 years.  Where would he be without us?  Where would he be without his team mates?

The first thing that Pulis talked about when he joined was unity.  Berahino is a destructive force.  We just need him... for now. 

I'm pretty sure Hodgson won't be picking him with all this going on and other young players more focused on their game and doing better than him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 06, 2015, 01:06:46 PM
How long should we keep needing him for?

What if he doesn't score, lets say, in the next 3 games that's Burnley (A), Swansea (H), Sunderland (A).

Do we still keep needing him or should we drop him?

I would expect him to score in 2 of those 3 games, which is roughly his scoring average so far this season, but if not, well............................
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 06, 2015, 01:25:36 PM
How long should we keep needing him for?

What if he doesn't score, lets say, in the next 3 games that's Burnley (A), Swansea (H), Sunderland (A).

Do we still keep needing him or should we drop him?

I would expect him to score in 2 of those 3 games, which is roughly his scoring average so far this season, but if not, well............................

If he's not in form he shouldn't just be persisted with. Even Lamberk down the villa is considering dropping Benteke,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 06, 2015, 01:37:03 PM
If he's not in form he shouldn't just be persisted with. Even Lamberk down the villa is considering dropping Benteke,

Totally agree.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DaveWBA on February 06, 2015, 01:38:40 PM
Had to laugh at the comparisons to Harry Kane on this thread. Based on last weekend Berahino is a shadow of the player Kane is and will be. Pace, good first touch, strong, good in the air, fantastic movement off the ball, good anticipation and a knack of scoring all sorts of goals. Berahino has none of that; Kane had it all and is only getting better. Granted life would be a lot easier being supplied by Erikson and Lamela instead of Brunt and Gardner but the difference between the two players on Saturday was massive.

Berahino isn't anywhere near as good as HE or many of US think he is. I'm worried we're as good as it will get for him as we need rid of him as soon as we possibly can.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 06, 2015, 01:39:09 PM
For starters he should be dropped for Sunday and then lets see his attitude in next weeks training
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DaveWBA on February 06, 2015, 01:41:08 PM
For starters he should be dropped for Sunday and then lets see his attitude in next weeks training

Despite my previous post, sadly we are in no position to do this.

If only we'd have signed Carlton Cole. How depressing is that?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 06, 2015, 02:14:27 PM
Stat I've just seen for league games

Saido Berahino: After scoring 7 goals in his first 9 Premier League appearances this season, Berahino has scored just 2 in the last 14
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 06, 2015, 02:17:07 PM
Funny comment as well in the presser for this week:

''TP says Saido Berahino has been on 'the naughty step - but he's OK'. #wba''
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: robnewbold on February 06, 2015, 02:20:41 PM
His slide to oblivion will be a move to Newcastle, then a loan to Scunthorpe, then he will end up selling fish and chips from a van on Scarborough sea front.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on February 06, 2015, 04:16:37 PM
His slide to oblivion will be a move to Newcastle, then a loan to Scunthorpe, then he will end up selling fish and chips from a van on Scarborough sea front.

Now your just making me hungry.  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 06, 2015, 04:29:27 PM
He will get a move, he will fail there and get loaned to a Watford or Notts Forest where he will score a few goals and get a permanent transfer to but he will end up a decent championship striker that's all if he doesn't sort his ego.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 06, 2015, 05:37:30 PM
Saido appears to have a footballers brain off the field and not one on the pitch.  Raw talent and a natural goalscorer maybe, just makes the wrong decisions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 06, 2015, 05:57:38 PM
If Saido wants to go from zero to hero and get a little respite from the fans anger with him, he desperately needs to score on Sunday imo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GREGMT on February 06, 2015, 09:37:45 PM
This is a storm in a teacup.  If he keeps us up he's done his job.  If someone is going to double his wages and play for a club in champions league next season and we receive £20 million so what?  The difference between Kane and Berahino is 1 plays with world class players and the other plays in a snail like midfield with little quality.  Until we get sharper in terms of buying better players and ruthless with ones below standard then it'll happen again and again.  The days of player loyalty are gone for good, get used to it.  This is the work of the London media, desperate to see little West Bromwich relegated instead of the West London glamour boys QPR.  They don't like the fact we've got Pulis and are desperate to unsettle the camp.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ComebackStrodds on February 06, 2015, 10:19:23 PM
Always be grateful for what you've got and never forgot where you've come from. Unfortunately Saido is probably being influenced off the pitch by hangers on. Good lad under the surface I'm sure. Hope he sorts himself out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on February 06, 2015, 10:50:39 PM
This is a storm in a teacup.  If he keeps us up he's done his job.  If someone is going to double his wages and play for a club in champions league next season and we receive £20 million so what?  The difference between Kane and Berahino is 1 plays with world class players and the other plays in a snail like midfield with little quality.  Until we get sharper in terms of buying better players and ruthless with ones below standard then it'll happen again and again.  The days of player loyalty are gone for good, get used to it.  This is the work of the London media, desperate to see little West Bromwich relegated instead of the West London glamour boys QPR.  They don't like the fact we've got Pulis and are desperate to unsettle the camp.

I cannot express how much I agree with this  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 07, 2015, 08:32:19 AM
This is a storm in a teacup.  If he keeps us up he's done his job.  If someone is going to double his wages and play for a club in champions league next season and we receive £20 million so what?  The difference between Kane and Berahino is 1 plays with world class players and the other plays in a snail like midfield with little quality.  Until we get sharper in terms of buying better players and ruthless with ones below standard then it'll happen again and again.  The days of player loyalty are gone for good, get used to it.  This is the work of the London media, desperate to see little West Bromwich relegated instead of the West London glamour boys QPR.  They don't like the fact we've got Pulis and are desperate to unsettle the camp.

I can think of a media pundit with connections not far from here, who would love to see us fail.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 07, 2015, 09:11:38 AM
Judging by his comments yesterday Pulis has got him worked out. Quick to stress that not one club made an enquiry for him in January and he is a long way to go before he's ready for a big move. All Saido has to do is let his football do the talking and if he goes on to realise his potential then his big move will come much sooner.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on February 07, 2015, 09:44:32 AM
Just watched him on Fantasy Fun on Sky Sports. The host posed a question where he said 'West Brom have a penalty shoot out in the Champions League final - hilarious who wrote these questions I know it's fantasy but come on!' And he looked genuinely annoyed at him saying that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on February 07, 2015, 11:06:34 AM
Pulis said he'd 'had a word with Saido's people' ....assume that means agent(s). They are making Saido look a bit of a dick at the moment and I'm sure Pulis will have mentioned words to that effect.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 07, 2015, 12:51:37 PM
I can think of a media pundit with connections not far from here, who would love to see us fail.

Can imagine he'll be in for a right doggin' of it live on air if the Vile go down instead.
 8).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 07, 2015, 01:58:15 PM
It is not a storm in a tea cup, its most likely going to upset the dressing room. get rid asap
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on February 07, 2015, 02:05:40 PM
Hope he is watching Harry Kane today...does his talking on the pitch and infront of RH...needs to shut up and get on doing what he is paid extremely well for...in danger of becoming Balotteli Mark 2
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 07, 2015, 02:13:52 PM
Hope he is watching Harry Kane today...does his talking on the pitch and infront of RH...needs to shut up and get on doing what he is paid extremely well for...in danger of becoming Balotteli Mark 2

Well Roy Hodgson certainly is and I know who I'd prefer as my first choice striker between the two of them if I were Roy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 07, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Lets hope hes not picked for England peg him back a peg or two
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on February 07, 2015, 02:33:55 PM
After watching Harry Kane today. .SB will be lucky to be picked to carry the kit off the England Team Bus..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on February 07, 2015, 02:54:48 PM
Kane is a different class - by miles.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on February 07, 2015, 02:55:24 PM
Hope he is watching Harry Kane today...does his talking on the pitch and infront of RH...needs to shut up and get on doing what he is paid extremely well for...in danger of becoming Balotteli Mark 2

Yeah! Kane has a great attitude. Saido would do well to take note!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: merson94 on February 07, 2015, 04:40:38 PM
Saido pretty much sums up what I don't like about modern footballers. Completely un appreciative of what he has got and has treated us so disgracefully, seeing as we took him in and looked after him for most of his life in this country and for him to talk and act like he has is so poor. If he thinks he can walk into the likes of Tottenham and Liverpool first team he must be dreaming.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: reynirver on February 07, 2015, 05:08:49 PM
If we can get £20 million for a lad who scores half of his goals from penalties than that would be amazing.

Hes just very very overrated british player like most british players are. He will have serious problems getting in starting eleven after 2-3 years at this club given that he stays and we won't be relegated.

But having said that, the guy is in his prime and could score the goals that could keep us up, and I hope he does.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on February 07, 2015, 05:34:27 PM
If Saido was foreign he'd be valued around £8million. Not simply down to talent but his age and the fact he is a striker.

Because he is English this increased to around £15million +.

It's a shame that one of the best academy products we have produced in a long time is so disliked; he conducts himself poorly though and the ill feeling from many fans' is thoroughly merited. Saido seems to be speak humbly whilst acting in a supercilious manner, add that too his driving conviction and various other misdemeanour's and this feeling has been amplified. For me his talent IS in doubt as well, I do think he is overrated, whilst having the potential to be a very competent premiership player he is not at the same level as Kane at the moment. He may become a top four player, he may not. I would happily see us make a substantial sum of money from his sale and reinvest it in the summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GREGMT on February 07, 2015, 05:42:38 PM
I think we need some perspective here.  Burnley are in a similar situation with Danny Ings.  Berahino and Ings are probably on a similar level ability wise.  They're doing a great job for teams in and around the bottom 3.  The likelihood is both will depart in the summer to new clubs.  However, one club will gain £20 million, the other compensation as he's under 24 so let's say £3 million.  Now who will have the best deal?

Why be downbeat about the situation when the kid could earn WBA a whopping £20 million?  Saying Berahino is no good is childish IMO.  Without the lad's goals we could be rock bottom right now as no-one else regularly hits the onion bag.  He has said and done some bad things but he's only young.  I don't personally know him so would rather judge on footballing ability.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 07, 2015, 06:20:00 PM
What annoyss me in this debate are the comparsions to Kane. Kane is already at a big club, so has no reason to look for an exit strategy. He is a more rounded player, but whenever they have played together in the u-21s it is Berahino who has shone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on February 07, 2015, 06:26:17 PM
What annoyss me in this debate are the comparsions to Kane. Kane is already at a big club, so has no reason to look for an exit strategy. He is a more rounded player, but whenever they have played together in the u-21s it is Berahino who has shone.

Under 21 records mean little as the opposition is mostly poor. Francis Jeffers shone for the under 21s. Craig Dawson has a great record yet he's an average player. Kane has forced himself into the first team of a big club and is shining, Tottenham are a top 6 club not a top 4 club and he wouldn't get in front of Kane. I use the comparison because I don't think he is good enough to be selected for a top 6 club let alone 4. He's at the right level at the moment if he wants a regular platform to play or he can go and do what Rickie Lambert is doing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 07, 2015, 07:03:48 PM
What annoyss me in this debate are the comparsions to Kane. Kane is already at a big club, so has no reason to look for an exit strategy. He is a more rounded player, but whenever they have played together in the u-21s it is Berahino who has shone.

There are enough similarities between the two players that it is enevitable they will be comparators I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on February 07, 2015, 08:33:28 PM
Kane is a different class - by miles.
Do's he get better service from his team mates YES
is he better in front of a camera YES
is he better in how he conducts himself in his life YES
is he a better forward NO
is he a better finisher NO
P/S HK as a better attitude to the game to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on February 08, 2015, 11:10:31 AM
Saido's unauthorized interview was an embarrassment and has resulted in him being publicly criticised by the manager, possibly fined by the club and, if we believe media stories, given a hard time by his team mates, all of which seems perfectly understandable. But it did occur to me that there is an element of double standards going on. Joleon Lescott also did an unauthorised (presumably) interview in which he was critical of the manager and suggested that he wouldnt play where the manager told him to play (albeit that most fans would agree that he was right). Yet no public telling off or fine for Lescott. I know the two situations are different, but in both cases what was said could be interpreted as arrogant or petulent or not knowing their place, yet the reactions are a million miles apart.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on February 08, 2015, 11:13:31 AM
Deserverd to be dropped
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 08, 2015, 02:24:23 PM
I think the lad did OK when he came on today. No sign of any sulking at being dropped to the bench and worked hard for the team IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2015, 02:28:16 PM
Thought he was poor and missed open goal from inside 6 yard box.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 08, 2015, 02:28:19 PM
Wasn't happy with Saido in the tunnel today, Fletcher tapped him as he went by and he completely ignored him.

But he came on today and I thought he did well..

A much better option than Anichebe, as strong as him and holds the ball up better aswell as being a goal threat.


Cant stand the lad but can't fault his effort today for the team
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 08, 2015, 02:29:43 PM
Thought he was poor and missed open goal from inside 6 yard box.

I thought he was going to rifle it home as well!

Good fingertips from the keeper but still lucky to have a man on the line to block it...thought it was a handball at first glance
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2015, 02:32:02 PM
I thought he was going to rifle it home as well!

Good fingertips from the keeper but still lucky to have a man on the line to block it...thought it was a handball at first glance

Looked like handball from the stand.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 08, 2015, 03:46:45 PM
He tried hard today good job needs better service.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 08, 2015, 04:05:16 PM
Apparently resting him because of 3 close games
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on February 08, 2015, 04:37:29 PM
I don't care about what he said outside the pitch,as long as he works hard and gives 100% on the pitch.I didn't find any attitude problem from him today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 08, 2015, 06:35:15 PM
Don't think anyone can complain about him on the pitch today and if you are then for me you are nitpicking for no reason. Did well and didn't deserve the pathetic booing when he came on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 08, 2015, 07:40:01 PM
Definite split in the fan base - some cheering, some booing and some just totally indifferent towards him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tucka9 on February 08, 2015, 09:08:16 PM
Anyone who was booing him are pathetic and an embarrassment to the club, he's just been badly advised and came out and said what every single player at this club would if they had the potential and ambition to play for a top 6 club. He worked hard missed a good chance but his movement getting in behind today to just see embarrassing balls being hoofed nowhere near him would frustrate any striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on February 12, 2015, 01:26:12 PM
No-ones posted in here yet so I thought I would be the first.

The kid was fantastic lady night, worked his socks off, linked well with the rest of the team and took his goal very well. Keep it up and let your goals do the talking. Was interesting to see him retweet Ian weight after the game with something to the effect of 'people can't twist goals' . Also read into his celebration what you will
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 12, 2015, 01:32:46 PM
Thought he played well last night.
Dropped back when needed to help out in midfield and linked well with Ideye.
Cracking finish for the second goal too.
More of the same please Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on February 12, 2015, 01:39:02 PM
He is a young KID with the world at his feet & like 99% of people he/they need  to think before they open their mouth, let your feet do your talking SB just like TP has told you
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 12, 2015, 01:57:09 PM
the smile was back on his face and he held the badge when he scored, not kissed it.Good to see
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 12, 2015, 07:06:09 PM
The guy is a natural finisher.  Sort out the other issues with his game and he could become a great player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 12, 2015, 07:08:25 PM
the smile was back on his face and he held the badge when he scored, not kissed it.Good to see

Holding and kissing the badge means nothing.

He won't be holding or kissing the badge when he gets offered £60k elsewhere.

Saying that, I thought he was very good last night, both going forward and defensively.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MulumbuPower! on February 13, 2015, 12:22:17 AM
Interesting bit about Berahino and the FA at the end of this article.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/jack-wilshere-roy-hodgson-forgives-arsenal-midfielder-and-reveals-his-own-shisha-session-10042984.html

Hodgson also revealed that Berahino, 21, who pleaded guilty to drink-driving last month, was contacted by the Football Association and reminded of his responsibilities as an England footballer by Dan Ashworth, the FA’s technical director. Berahino, a key player for the Under-21s, was selected in Hodgson’s last senior squad but is yet to make his senior debut.

Hodgson said: “It’s been dealt with. He [Berahino] has been reprimanded and as far as we are concerned the matter is closed. It is up to him to put that behind him and show with his future behaviour that he has taken the reprimand on board.”


Quite like that it was Dan Ashworth that gave him a talking to. I wonder if he had to have words with Berahino before when he was the T.D?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 13, 2015, 08:14:06 AM
Interesting bit about Berahino and the FA at the end of this article.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/jack-wilshere-roy-hodgson-forgives-arsenal-midfielder-and-reveals-his-own-shisha-session-10042984.html

Hodgson also revealed that Berahino, 21, who pleaded guilty to drink-driving last month, was contacted by the Football Association and reminded of his responsibilities as an England footballer by Dan Ashworth, the FA’s technical director. Berahino, a key player for the Under-21s, was selected in Hodgson’s last senior squad but is yet to make his senior debut.

Hodgson said: “It’s been dealt with. He [Berahino] has been reprimanded and as far as we are concerned the matter is closed. It is up to him to put that behind him and show with his future behaviour that he has taken the reprimand on board.”


Quite like that it was Dan Ashworth that gave him a talking to. I wonder if he had to have words with Berahino before when he was the T.D?

Probably, when he got returned from Brentford after 'attitude problems'.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on February 13, 2015, 09:29:25 AM
He gets a lot of reprimands doesn't he. Doesn't seem to have sunk in yet that he has responsibilities beyond his performances on the pitch.

The bloke is 21 now, I wonder if it ever will?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jTony on February 14, 2015, 12:44:22 AM
http://www.thfclatest.com/2014/02/14/berahino-i-need-to-watch-my-comments/ (http://www.thfclatest.com/2014/02/14/berahino-i-need-to-watch-my-comments/)

SAIDO BERAHINO insists he will always wear his heart on his sleeve and be honest in saying what he believes when the time is right.

The West Brom striker angered some Baggies fans by admitting he could move on to “bigger things” once Albion’s top-flight future is assured.

Berahino’s outburst saw him dropped by manager Tony Pulis but the 21-year-old took his goal tally for the season to 15 when recalled for the 2-0 midweek win over Swansea.

That record has seen the England Under-21 star being tracked by the likes of Liverpool and Tottenham.

Whatever happens in the future, he will find it hard to change but admits he needs to think more carefully about future comments.

Ahead of today’s FA Cup clash at home to West Ham, Berahino revealed: “It’s important to say what you believe. Everyone should be able to give their opinion when the time is right.

“Some might take what you say the wrong way because it can come across differently to certain people. You have to know when it’s the right time to speak your mind.

“You could say the most harmless thing and someone will always take it the wrong way. I’ve gone through that this season and last season.

“I tend to make headlines with certain comments but I don’t really take too much notice of any bad things that might be said about me.”

Pulis made his feelings known when he dropped Berahino for the draw at Burnley, before giving him a second chance at home to the Swans.

Berahino bears no grudges because he is a massive admirer of how honest Pulis is with his squad.

And ‘Bera’ can pinpoint the exact moment when every West Brom player was left in no doubt what Pulis expected when he took over from Alan Irvine.

Pulis’ straight-talking demand was made at half-time at Birmingham, where the Baggies were bidding to reach the FA Cup fifth round.

West Brom started the Midlands derby like a train with two quick goals, only to infuriate Pulis by easing off before the break.

Berahino admitted: “Lack of effort is something that would really annoy the manager.

“The most I have seen him fired up was half-time at St Andrew’s in the last round of the FA Cup.

“He said, ‘If no one wants to work for me right now, then let me know and you can come and sit next to me on the bench and don’t take any part’.
“I suppose it was a bit of a classic half-time team-talk because it forced us to put in greater effort and worked, as we won 2-1.

“He is who he is. He is one of the game’s strong characters and is not afraid to put his opinion across.

“Yes, he is old school but old school works for him as a manager. I don’t think he is ever going to change for anybody because it works and he has a great record of keeping teams in the Premier League.

“His starting point with players is total commitment. He says hard work can beat anything.

“He believes if you outwork your opponent, then you are giving it a right go and, if they beat you, then it is done through skill or a bit of flair but not hard work.”

Pulis, 57, has built a reputation on walking into clubs in deep trouble before turning them around in spectacular fashion — and has yet to be relegated as a manager.

His survival blueprint is stunningly simple — work, work and work some more and Berahino is one of those who has bought in to what last season’s manager of the year preaches.

Berahino added: “When he took over, he stressed how he wanted to get all the lads playing as a team and the need to stick together as a group, especially the way things have been going for us this season.

“He has a game-plan, wants us to stick to it and not be afraid of playing with confidence and for each other — which is the most important thing. It’s about the team, not any individual.

“What makes him one of the best? His attention to detail is spot on. In fact, his attention to everything is.”

Pulis’ impact at The Hawthorns is backed up by the stats.

Before he took over West Brom had lost seven in nine but, with him in the hotseat, they have lost just one in seven.

Berahino said: “We have tightened up considerably at the back and you can’t knock the man down for that.

“Also, in his first two games — West Ham and then Gateshead in the FA Cup — we scored eight goals, so we can’t complain there, either.

“The manager has been trying to get me to run over 13 kilometres in each match. He pointed out that the very top players — your Agueros and Messis — all run that kind of distance and he wants me to reach that level of running as well.

“If I can look back at the end of the season with 15-20 goals then it will make me a very happy man — it would make my manager a very happy man as well!

“As far as goals go, it couldn’t have gone much better for me. I planned to get into double figures, now the aim is to finish in the Premier League’s top-five goalscorers.

“It’s going to be hard for us but what puts a smile on my face is the fact I’m chipping in with goals.

“And I’m still learning — don’t forget I’m only 21.”
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on February 14, 2015, 06:02:02 AM
It's nice to see that Berahino has changed his mind and he admires Pulis very much,a win-win situation for him and the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 14, 2015, 07:46:09 AM
I'll give it three weeks before he says something daft again. Saido will never not learn. Get rid in the summer for anything more than £15m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 14, 2015, 11:53:03 AM
Berahino has just been on Soccer AM and his comments about his future in football would suggest he is now toeing the party line, which is good as it demonstrates  the lad is learning from his previous indiscretions and credit to him for that.

PS he scored a lovely goal the other night, more please
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ihsaan on February 14, 2015, 04:50:14 PM
He's the most natural finisher I've seen for us in a long long time. 16 goals in February, could well go on to hit 20-25 this season which would be a great return for a 21 year old (and justifies the lofty price tag).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 14, 2015, 05:00:44 PM
Very good finish again today, but something amiss in general play?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on February 14, 2015, 05:02:55 PM
Very good finish again today, but something amiss in general play?
I believe his passing , vision and foot work are the areas he needs to work on before talk of big moves happen . No doubting his finishing ability.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 14, 2015, 05:04:11 PM
I believe his passing , vision and foot work are the areas he needs to work on before talk of big moves happen . No doubting his finishing ability.

His awareness is a problem for me, on his heels several times resulting in moves breaking down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on February 14, 2015, 05:06:16 PM
His awareness is a problem for me, on his heels several times resulting in moves breaking down.
Agreed , the longer he abides and works with Pulis the more i believe he will improve.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nocky on February 14, 2015, 05:49:46 PM
I thought his general play was good today tbh. His finishing is undoubtedly top drawer but it's his touch and link up play that will enable him to go on to be a top player IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 15, 2015, 06:02:47 PM
His awareness is a problem for me, on his heels several times resulting in moves breaking down.
I agree with that. His finishing is second to none (well maybe 1 or 2!), but his vision still needs quite a bit of work in my view and that was apparent yesterday when I thought he was generally ineffective (apart from scoring of course), certainly compared to Bobby.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 15, 2015, 06:26:15 PM
was this an interview sanctioned by the club, strange its on thfc site
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 15, 2015, 06:28:02 PM
was this an interview sanctioned by the club, strange its on thfc site

Not sure where they got it from as no acknowledgement is given
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 15, 2015, 06:30:05 PM
Not sure where they got it from as no acknowledgement is given

erm, hope its not another indiscetion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 15, 2015, 09:47:24 PM
In fairness to Saido that is a pleasing interview. He comes across quite mature in that and seems to have a decent relationship with Pulis. I'd be more concerned if he was touting his future around again but at least he now seems to understand the emphasis of the team and not just himself.

He has been a breath of fresh air though this season. He has produced goals when we've needed them and I think his ability in general play is also improving. Granted, there are areas which need improving but he's at the moment a raw 21 year old. Personally, I don't think he's suited to being a link up man between midfield and attack but he's doing a relatively good job in that role at the moment - if he can improve and blossom in that position then he is adding another bow to his armory and a few more millions to his price tag.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on February 15, 2015, 10:18:49 PM
I agree, that appears to be a very articulate interview and much more carefully worded. He has obviously taken on board advice from TP and no doubt others looking after his interests. It's nice to see Berahino playing with smile on his face and seemingly enjoying his football. Regardless of what happens long term, this is all we can ask for, a talented player putting in 100% effort and giving his best for West Bromwich Albion and respecting the management, colleagues and the club as a whole. He genuinely seemed to be enjoying himself yesterday, as did every single one of our lads.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: JDWest_Brom on February 18, 2015, 04:26:38 PM
I believe his passing , vision and foot work are the areas he needs to work on before talk of big moves happen . No doubting his finishing ability.

I thought that until the last few games were Berahino has almost been playing as a number 10 with Ideye up top. His ability to drop off and influence play, feeding passes through to Ideye and quick 1-2's has made me look at him in a different light.

He's starting to remind me of the Kevin Phillips we had towards the end of his career but with pace, not the poacher he was at the start of his career. He is a good finisher but his overall play is a level above what I thought it was.

In an ideal world Berahino would want to be up top with somebody feeding him balls but he is more involved in this role and is proving he is our best offensive player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 19, 2015, 03:31:29 AM
I'm dying to see how the partnership between Saido and the newly resurgent Ideye develops. Saido clearly has bags of talent but is far from the finished article. If he has any sense he'll sign a new deal, knuckle down and develop for a couple of years, playing every week and then he can reassess and get his big money move.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 19, 2015, 03:32:28 AM
By the way I'm not just saying this out of naked self interest. I genuinely feel it would benefit him and his career prospects if he stayed with us another 2/3 seasons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on February 19, 2015, 04:17:00 AM
By the way I'm not just saying this out of naked self interest. I genuinely feel it would benefit him and his career prospects if he stayed with us another 2/3 seasons.
When you have a look on those big clubs' squad,you will find that none of them have a desperate need for a new striker.
Man Utd - Falcao,Van Persie,Rooney
Arsenal - Giroud,Sanogo,Akpom
Chelsea - Costa,Drogba,Remy
Liverpool - Sturridge,Balotelli,Borini
Man City - Agüero,Dzeko,Bony

Therefore they are unlikely to spend big on the striker position,I think Berahino will stay with us at least one more season,it's a good for him and the club.Here he  can  get numerous chances to play to improve and we can have a 10+ goalscorer   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on February 19, 2015, 05:59:56 AM
When you have a look on those big clubs' squad,you will find that none of them have a desperate need for a new striker.
Man Utd - Falcao,Van Persie,Rooney
Arsenal - Giroud,Sanogo,Akpom
Chelsea - Costa,Drogba,Remy
Liverpool - Sturridge,Balotelli,Borini
Man City - Agüero,Dzeko,Bony

Therefore they are unlikely to spend big on the striker position,I think Berahino will stay with us at least one more season,it's a good for him and the club.Here he  can  get numerous chances to play to improve and we can have a 10+ goalscorer

You missed Villa off your list of big clubs. :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on February 19, 2015, 08:27:46 AM
With Callum now taking over the wide right responsibilities I see Saido becoming a very very good out and out No.10 playing just behind Bobby. Exciting times ahead!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 19, 2015, 11:39:03 AM
You missed Villa off your list of big clubs. :P

Who?  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: JDWest_Brom on February 19, 2015, 01:14:28 PM
When you have a look on those big clubs' squad,you will find that none of them have a desperate need for a new striker.
Man Utd - Falcao,Van Persie,Rooney
Arsenal - Giroud,Sanogo,Akpom
Chelsea - Costa,Drogba,Remy
Liverpool - Sturridge,Balotelli,Borini
Man City - Agüero,Dzeko,Bony

With the exception of Man City the other four clubs will all be in the market for a new striker or two come the summer

Falcoa won't be signed by Man Utd and Van Persie could be ushered out.

For Arsenal only Giroud has any quality with the others being young.

Chelsea will ship out Drogba

Liverpool will want to offload Balotelli and Borini.

I can even see Spurs coming in for him to play alongside Kane.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ihsaan on February 19, 2015, 10:41:11 PM
When you have a look on those big clubs' squad,you will find that none of them have a desperate need for a new striker.
Man Utd - Falcao,Van Persie,Rooney
Arsenal - Giroud,Sanogo,Akpom
Chelsea - Costa,Drogba,Remy
Liverpool - Sturridge,Balotelli,Borini
Man City - Agüero,Dzeko,Bony

Therefore they are unlikely to spend big on the striker position,I think Berahino will stay with us at least one more season,it's a good for him and the club.Here he  can  get numerous chances to play to improve and we can have a 10+ goalscorer

And yet from those strikers only Costa and Aguero have outscored Berahino this season...16 goals by February at the age of 21 is seriously good.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbastrollers on February 19, 2015, 11:34:11 PM
And yet from those strikers only Costa and Aguero have outscored Berahino this season...16 goals by February at the age of 21 is seriously good.

And with his flourishing partnership with Brown, it is a possibility that he may be even more prolific in the last third of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 21, 2015, 06:26:42 AM
And yet from those strikers only Costa and Aguero have outscored Berahino this season...16 goals by February at the age of 21 is seriously good.
We have a very special talent worth more than 20 mill considering his age.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Astle1968 on February 21, 2015, 08:58:44 PM
Just to put it in perspective someone like Defoe who who constantly lauded as an out an out goalscorer (I think his record is over rated personally) has only scored more than 12 PL goals in a season once and Berahino is on 10 and should surpass that this season.

Id expect him to score 20+ in all comps, something Defoe has done only twice. At the same age as Berahino is now Defoe scored 10 in the league and 14 in all comps.

Im sure theres other examples but just to compare against someone else who is labelled a 'natural finisher' and has (somehow) played over 50 times for England
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 21, 2015, 09:34:52 PM
Just read Sadio picked up a slight ankle injury early on in the game today, but he still played the full 90 mins.

I really do hope the injury isn't to serious and doesn't prevent his selection for our game against Southampton next week. We need to keep him health for the remaining games of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andio on February 21, 2015, 11:41:46 PM
Just read Sadio picked up a slight ankle injury early on in the game today, but he still played the full 90 mins.

I really do hope the injury isn't to serious and doesn't prevent his selection for our game against Southampton next week. We need to keep him health for the remaining games of the season.

It was Clattermole that did it I think, dirty thug.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 21, 2015, 11:56:09 PM
It was Clattermole that did it I think, dirty thug.

Yes, Cattermole went through him from behind (no booking yet again for some reason) and he struggled limping for next ten minutes or so.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jim68 on February 22, 2015, 12:42:08 AM
Yes, Cattermole went through him from behind (no booking yet again for some reason) and he struggled limping for next ten minutes or so.
i agree  with that challenge from cattermole should have been booked but aside from that saidos passing was  shocking alot to work on yet i"m afraid a great finisher as others have said  but general play still a lot to learn but still happy with a point away from home  ;) ;) 8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 22, 2015, 07:33:11 AM
He worked hard again today and lost his bearings after that Cattermole cut down.Very special player with time on his side.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 23, 2015, 09:06:55 AM
Berahino and Brown worked well I thought. Should have took Berahino off after 65 minutes he looked either shattered or knackered.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: asa62 on February 23, 2015, 10:04:40 AM
I was watching on Saturday and was surprised cattermole got away with it . That  idiot poyet was grinning like a clown after as if to say "well done" . I was also amazed we didn't  make more of it after the match with the way they carried on about Lescott and Yacob .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 23, 2015, 10:21:21 AM
Yeah that challenge from Cattermole was a yellow card at least as it was awful, he is a dirty player he is.

Seemed to affect Berahino after that.

To see Poyet laughing over it though was a bit shameful on his part
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 23, 2015, 10:39:01 AM
Lescott didn't lay as much as a finger on a Sunderland player and got booked, Cattermole cynically chopped Berahino down from behind and got nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ihsaan on February 28, 2015, 07:35:54 PM
The kid really knows how to finish.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on February 28, 2015, 10:09:31 PM
Any news on his injury or Brown's?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 28, 2015, 11:13:12 PM
Stunning goal today. I hope to God he and Bobby will be fit for the Seals. As Pulis has said Saido has the potential to be a top player but needs 'guidance'. Needs a few seasons at the Albion playing week in week out and then if he is going to move on he can move on
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on March 01, 2015, 09:53:57 AM
Only 3 posts on here since yesterday. Had he said anything about leaving this site would have gone into meltdown. Our fans really don't appreciate how good this kid has been for us. Credit where it is due. Lets hope he scores the winner v the seals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on March 01, 2015, 10:07:36 AM
Really hope his injury is not bad

Absolutely stunning finish yesterday
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on March 01, 2015, 10:24:15 AM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/west-bromwich-albion-tony-pulis-saido-berahino-2303144.aspx#ePCw8FiJO4HW0xlR.99 (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/west-bromwich-albion-tony-pulis-saido-berahino-2303144.aspx#ePCw8FiJO4HW0xlR.99)

"He was carrying an injury and hadn't trained all week. He needed an injection"

Not fully fit but still score a stunning goal.That's why I opposed the club to sell him in winter transfer window.You can't let your goalscorer left in january,never.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on March 01, 2015, 02:18:24 PM
Only 3 posts on here since yesterday. Had he said anything about leaving this site would have gone into meltdown. Our fans really don't appreciate how good this kid has been for us. Credit where it is due. Lets hope he scores the winner v the seals.

For me I think this is because most of us are worried about the injury and whether he'll be fit for Tuesday/Saturday. I felt deflated about him after the game, not cause of his performance but because he limped off and you can see so much of our attacking flair go with him.

It was a stunning strike, which I full expect to be in the goal of the month on MOTD tonight  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 01, 2015, 02:28:29 PM
Only 3 posts on here since yesterday. Had he said anything about leaving this site would have gone into meltdown. Our fans really don't appreciate how good this kid has been for us. Credit where it is due. Lets hope he scores the winner v the seals.

I think it's mostly a few issues which I think most people would deem to be facts:

A) He's a talent, a fairly big one, according to Wiki he's got 26 goals in 67 games for us, which is 38 goals in 100 games at all Pro levels. That is a huge talent and he'll only get better over the next 3 or 4 years.

B) He's not that bright and he's obviously not got great support giving him good advice. There's been about 6 incidents over the past 3 years and I don't really blame him. Fame, money and people telling you you're great must be difficult to deal with coming from nothing.

C) He is capable of playing at a higher level and wants to.

D) He's our first youth team player to really hit the big time in a very long time.

I think all of this means he's doing a great job for us, but he won't be here for long and thus i don't think he'll ever get any real affection from the fans. Even if he were to totally fake it, if he publicly approached the fans like Bobby does, he'd be loved and most of us would wish him well when he moves onto Man City's Bench.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on March 01, 2015, 06:33:05 PM
He's got class in his finishing, no doubt about that. Just about all his goals have a touch of class about how he strikes the ball. That was a difficult shot to control especially with his left foot which seems to be only marginally weaker than his right. I was expecting it to fly over the bar.
Sky said both Saido and Bobby are being assessed re knee injuries. Hope they are wrong and it is a foot injury with Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on March 19, 2015, 02:01:55 PM
Oh well hopefully this will keep him grounded

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/03/19/albions-saido-berhaino-omitted-by-england/?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on March 19, 2015, 02:05:45 PM
He won't see it as an omission based on form/attitude he will just take it personally and think they are out to get him or something like that. Que a daft statement/interview from Saido about Hodgson/England/The FA.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on March 19, 2015, 02:08:24 PM
The penny will drop soon with Saido unless he's Balotelli-like stupid. If your attitude is pooh, you won't get where you want to be. If he grows up and wises up, there'll be plenty of opportunities for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on March 19, 2015, 02:23:38 PM
Youd think the smart thing to do was pick the strikers who have scored the most goals. Saido over Danny Wellbeck any day of the week.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on March 19, 2015, 02:26:06 PM
Given that he has been reportedly carrying an injury for some time I was quite happy for him to have been left out.

Pity he made the U21's if I am honest.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on March 19, 2015, 02:30:13 PM
Youd think the smart thing to do was pick the strikers who have scored the most goals. Saido over Danny Wellbeck any day of the week.


Welbeck is my pet hate, I think he is ****. He does get goals for England but never when it matters, against top opposition when it's needed. He would never get in a squad of mine. A flat track bully, not good enough technically at the very highest level.

Berahino has the natural ability but he's too naively arrogant at the monent, he needs to understand the bigger picture and get his head right. If he does that he can have a big future at any level. If he doesn't do that he'll waste his potential. People can only offer so much help, at the end of the day it's down to him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2015, 02:32:25 PM
I actually think he will take it on the chin and just get on with things. I would hope that Roy phoned him for a chat and pep-talk about his future England prospects.

Additionally, I would suspect his agent and TP would also be counselling and mentoring him. The best demonstration he can give Roy of his dedication and professionalism is by scoring goals from now until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Astle1968 on March 19, 2015, 05:07:54 PM
The thing is even though he is back on form you can't really argue with him being left out on merit regardless of questions over his fitness and attitude.

Rooney and Sturridge are the 2 best CF's we have by some distance. Kane is undoubtedly deserving of a call up which leaves a shoot out between Welbeck and Berahino.

Berahino's club form is definitely better than Welbecks even with his previous drought. But for whatever reason Welbeck manages to score goals at a good ratio for England whilst performing a number of other duties well. Considering Rooney or Sturridge will be playing the CF role you would rather have Welbeck in that left sided attacking role that Berahino.

Throw in Berahino going through a dry spell a couple of months back, questions over his attitude and fitness and the fact he plays for West Brom and not Arsenal and it's not a surprise.

Unless next season he can score 25 goals, or Kane drops off badly he's not going to get a look in unless one of Rooney/Sturridge/Welbeck gets injured (or he joins a top 6 club in which case he will automatically be in the squad) 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on March 19, 2015, 05:12:21 PM
Welbeck seems happier to play the wide role under Hodgson, where I'm not sure Saido would be. Sure he's done it, both under AI and TP, but I get the feeling he would be more vocal about wanting to play up top
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on March 19, 2015, 11:15:40 PM
Welbeck seems happier to play the wide role under Hodgson, where I'm not sure Saido would be. Sure he's done it, both under AI and TP, but I get the feeling he would be more vocal about wanting to play up top
I think Saido has played wide for the under 21s on occasions and I doubt even he would be too pushy about playing centrally for the full team at this stage.
Think its more that Hodgson wants to be loyal to the people who have produced the goods and Welbeck has played pretty well for him in fairness.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on March 20, 2015, 01:55:52 PM
Suspect Berahino will withdraw from the u21s, injured.  Just a guess.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on March 22, 2015, 12:21:04 PM
Suspect Berahino will withdraw from the u21s, injured.  Just a guess.

You guessed right. The Club has withdrawn him because of his foot injury.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on March 22, 2015, 12:36:11 PM
Suspect Berahino will withdraw from the u21s, injured.  Just a guess.

Any guesses as to the next euromillions?  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 22, 2015, 12:45:44 PM
Good decision to pull him out given he has had an injury since Sunderland and played through it with the help of injections, for all the abuse he gets at times at least he shows he wants to play games. Big Vic should take note.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on March 23, 2015, 12:55:26 PM
Any guesses as to the next euromillions?  :P

I got the 0-3 score on saturday too.  On a roll...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on March 23, 2015, 01:05:39 PM
I think Saido has played wide for the under 21s on occasions and I doubt even he would be too pushy about playing centrally for the full team at this stage.
Think its more that Hodgson wants to be loyal to the people who have produced the goods and Welbeck has played pretty well for him in fairness.

Welbeck doesn't score enough goals, but he is a tidy footballer in fairness and finishing aside is a better fit than Saido at this point in time for a wide role.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on March 23, 2015, 01:16:56 PM
Welbeck doesn't score enough goals, but he is a tidy footballer in fairness and finishing aside is a better fit than Saido at this point in time for a wide role.

Saido is a Predator in & around the box & with the ability to make himself  enough space to get off a shot. He needs to be playing with another player to get the best out of him.  4-3-3,  4-4-1-1 or 4-4-2 he has played in a 4-5-1 but you dont get the best out of him playing that role.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on April 16, 2015, 07:45:38 PM
Not even on the young player short list then. Does he deserve to be?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on April 16, 2015, 08:13:56 PM
Yes! pretty much single handedly kept us up, yet he gets the most stick lol. We're in trouble when he goes to a higher club unless we buy well
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on April 16, 2015, 08:19:39 PM
Yes! pretty much single handedly kept us up, yet he gets the most stick lol. We're in trouble when he goes to a higher club unless we buy well

Not quite their yet.

And this snub will either make him work harder, or, and I suspect this will be the case, make him sulk
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 16, 2015, 09:36:00 PM
Not even on the young player short list then. Does he deserve to be?

I'd wouldn't have said so. Apart from his goals, he contributes very little to the team, as witnessed by his lack of assists (and the fact he didn't put Gardner through last Saturday).

I don't think he'll be as good as he should be, and we can probably point to his attitude as the reason why.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on April 16, 2015, 10:15:05 PM
In my opinion we should sell him for decent money now if it's still on offer
Seen loads of players like this who we feel we must keep at all costs only for them to disappear after a couple of years
Talk of 25 million at Xmas was a joke
I would happily take 10 million now because in a few years time we will be lucky to get 2 million
Just my opinion
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 17, 2015, 06:04:56 AM
Great finisher, still very young, does not have many who he can look up to in this squad and is probably disliked by quite a few. We need to keep him, we have plenty of dross to get rid of. Put some quality around him and he will get us loads of goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 17, 2015, 06:36:38 AM
Still learning and seems to lack the fundamental basics to play as a team player.
All strikers have to be a little selfish but IMO this guy is all self self self.
If you try and compare him with Harry Kane, there is no comparison, Kane is light years ahead of him.
I'n not sure if Berahino has the atributes to kick on and be a top level striker in this division, would like to see him stay and develop with us, but I suspect both he and his advisers have other ideas.
If that's the case we should sell him for top dollar and spend the cash wisely on recruiting a replacement(s)
Personally I wouldn't be sorry to see any of our current strike force replaced.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 17, 2015, 08:15:54 AM
Maybe because he doesnt get decent service is why hes not fulfilling his early season potential
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on April 17, 2015, 08:27:49 AM
Maybe because he doesnt get decent service is why hes not fulfilling his early season potential

Exactly. Spot on. He'd score for fun in a decent side. This is by far the worst albion team I've seen for a long time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on April 17, 2015, 08:32:46 AM
Surround him by good players with good service, and in my opinion he would score 15-20 a season.

He is a natural finisher, in the same mould as Defoe.

Watch him move on and score goals in the premier league, I honestly believe if he does leave, and we dont replace him, we will struggle big time next year.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on April 17, 2015, 08:54:32 AM
I'm sick of all the stick his lad gets, he is "on of our own" and our only goal scorer and deserves a lot more support and praise, without him we would already be relegated. We moan at his attitude but how would you feel if every little mistake you make on the pitch you get 25,000 people giving you dogs? more than your team-mates? would you feel picked on? he isn't Messi or Ronaldo so why are we expecting so much every time? he touches the ball

For me Saido's attitude has not been a problem at all under Pulis so far. I personally feel he is working harder on the pitch and if you watch him during games he has taken on much more of a 'leader role' by communicating a lot more with the rest of he team and helping try to get TP's messages across (yes those messages may be nonsense but that isn't Saido's fault) and I think you can see TP has entrusted him with this role as when there is breaks in play you an see Saido going over and having conversations with the gaffer so for all you Pulis lovers he obviously trusts him.   

Yes his performances have dipped a little of lately but for me that is partly to do with the complete lack of service and also people are forgetting that this is his first full season as a footballer (as a starter) so there my be possible fatigue creeping in, even Harry Kane has gone off the boil recently.

Oh and for the record I wouldn't have passed to Gardner either!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on April 17, 2015, 09:20:49 AM
I'm sick of all the stick his lad gets, he is "on of our own" and our only goal scorer and deserves a lot more support and praise, without him we would already be relegated. We moan at his attitude but how would you feel if every little mistake you make on the pitch you get 25,000 people giving you dogs? more than your team-mates? would you feel picked on? he isn't Messi or Ronaldo so why are we expecting so much every time? he touches the ball

For me Saido's attitude has not been a problem at all under Pulis so far. I personally feel he is working harder on the pitch and if you watch him during games he has taken on much more of a 'leader role' by communicating a lot more with the rest of he team and helping try to get TP's messages across (yes those messages may be nonsense but that isn't Saido's fault) and I think you can see TP has entrusted him with this role as when there is breaks in play you an see Saido going over and having conversations with the gaffer so for all you Pulis lovers he obviously trusts him.   

Yes his performances have dipped a little of lately but for me that is partly to do with the complete lack of service and also people are forgetting that this is his first full season as a footballer (as a starter) so there my be possible fatigue creeping in, even Harry Kane has gone off the boil recently.

Oh and for the record I wouldn't have passed to Gardner either!

Top post mate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AidantheBaggies on April 17, 2015, 09:23:58 AM
Over-rated in my eyes. Get rid in summer if a decent bid comes in....although i cant see a top 4 club wanting him, he is nowhere near that standard.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on April 17, 2015, 09:59:20 AM
I'm sick of all the stick his lad gets, he is "on of our own" and our only goal scorer and deserves a lot more support and praise, without him we would already be relegated. We moan at his attitude but how would you feel if every little mistake you make on the pitch you get 25,000 people giving you dogs? more than your team-mates? would you feel picked on? he isn't Messi or Ronaldo so why are we expecting so much every time? he touches the ball

For me Saido's attitude has not been a problem at all under Pulis so far. I personally feel he is working harder on the pitch and if you watch him during games he has taken on much more of a 'leader role' by communicating a lot more with the rest of he team and helping try to get TP's messages across (yes those messages may be nonsense but that isn't Saido's fault) and I think you can see TP has entrusted him with this role as when there is breaks in play you an see Saido going over and having conversations with the gaffer so for all you Pulis lovers he obviously trusts him.   

Yes his performances have dipped a little of lately but for me that is partly to do with the complete lack of service and also people are forgetting that this is his first full season as a footballer (as a starter) so there my be possible fatigue creeping in, even Harry Kane has gone off the boil recently.

Oh and for the record I wouldn't have passed to Gardner either!

Very much agree with the sentiment of this post, except I would have passed to Gardner.

May explain why I never made it anywhere in the game though.....
 :).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DaveWBA on April 17, 2015, 10:31:41 AM
This is by far the worst albion team I've seen for a long time.

You lucky sod.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WSBaggie on April 17, 2015, 11:39:36 AM
You lucky sod.

;D

There have obviously been worse, but with the finances and infrastructure available it should not be how it is at the moment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on April 17, 2015, 12:36:02 PM
If he had of passed the ball to Gardner, he would have only put it into row Z........

So he passed it to the goalie instead  :(

I don't blame him personally, the lad has got an excellent shot. It was just another contributing example of how pathetic we were last week......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 17, 2015, 01:14:57 PM
He is a natural goalscorer but is that enough? What does he really offer now the goals have dried up? He doesn't close down very often and his decision making can be poor, another one who runs into crowds of players..a bit like Sess in that respect.

Berahino needs to work harder for me when we don't have the ball.

I'd prefer him to stay but we need to play to his (and Ideye's) strengths which we're not doing at the minute.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on April 17, 2015, 01:24:45 PM
He is a natural goalscorer but is that enough? What does he really offer now the goals have dried up? He doesn't close down very often and his decision making can be poor, another one who runs into crowds of players..a bit like Sess in that respect.

Berahino needs to work harder for me when we don't have the ball.

I'd prefer him to stay but we need to play to his (and Ideye's) strengths which we're not doing at the minute.


What exactly are Ideye's strengths ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 17, 2015, 01:35:31 PM


What exactly are Ideye's strengths ?

Ball played into his feet so he can run onto it, decent crosses into the box for headers like against Stoke and Burnley. He closes players down too. He does miss a few but at least he gets into those positions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: robbo_wba on April 17, 2015, 01:38:13 PM
Ball played into his feet so he can run onto it, decent crosses into the box for headers like against Stoke and Burnley. He closes players down too. He does miss a few but at least he gets into those positions.

To be fair, that does take some skill  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 17, 2015, 01:41:38 PM
To be fair, that does take some skill  :P

Yeah my bad, but you know what I mean!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on April 17, 2015, 02:06:08 PM
I feel if we played to Saido's strengths, we'd score more than if we played to Brown's.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2015, 02:10:51 PM
I feel if we played to Saido's strengths, we'd score more than if we played to Brown's.

Lets just play to someone's strengths, I'm not fussy who!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DaveWBA on April 17, 2015, 02:14:30 PM
Lets just play to someone's strengths, I'm not fussy who!

Preferably someone in Stripes, that'd make a nice change.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on April 17, 2015, 02:36:27 PM
Preferably someone in Stripes, that'd make a nice change.

Just putting the ball through into the box for anyone to run on to would be good... we can't even do that!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 17, 2015, 02:40:42 PM
I feel if we played to Saido's strengths, we'd score more than if we played to Brown's.
I thinks their strengths are fairly similar, hence why Irvine believed they couldn't play together since they were similar it made us one dimensional in our approach.

Pulis on the other hand refuses to play to either...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on April 17, 2015, 10:15:59 PM
Irvine got the best out of him earlier in the season. Doesn't look the same player to me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 19, 2015, 07:29:11 PM
he's determined to leave isn't he?

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/437395/England-and-West-Brom-ace-Saido-Berahino-s-SECOND-hippy-crack-shame
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on April 19, 2015, 07:38:12 PM
Sensationalism at its finest. I really fail to see the big deal here, its not illegal and as much as that article tries to make it out, its not really dangerous either - certainly no more than say alcohol is. Obviously its preferable he keeps on the straight and narrow but the fact the Daily Star's the only one running with this says it all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 19, 2015, 07:41:23 PM
Seems it was three months ago, not that its an excuse for him as he is a total backside but only in the news as his mate Raheem has been seen doing the same and anything to get Raheem out of the spotlight is great for his club. Amazing they share the same agent really.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 19, 2015, 09:41:39 PM
Sensationalism at its finest. I really fail to see the big deal here, its not illegal and as much as that article tries to make it out, its not really dangerous either - certainly no more than say alcohol is. Obviously its preferable he keeps on the straight and narrow but the fact the Daily Star's the only one running with this says it all.
I agree, but it doesn't bode well either?
My issue is that he's done something which he knew would get a media backlash over, and then he's repeated it which acknowledges he doesn't really care.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 19, 2015, 11:11:35 PM
I agree, but it doesn't bode well either?
My issue is that he's done something which he knew would get a media backlash over, and then he's repeated it which acknowledges he doesn't really care.
should he care about what the media says?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 19, 2015, 11:16:30 PM
should he care about what the media says?
Perhaps I worded it badly.

Berahino does care what people think; if you read some of his tweets then he's often defending his behaviour and he's also said that the media often pick at his weaknesses and build them into stories.

Personally I think this is a non-story and agree that it's harmless. I understand that it's sensationalism at it's best. However, I do find it hypocritical from Berahino that he's quick to moan about the media picking on him, and then he does something like this...again. Sure, it's pretty harmless but he knows fully well that it will cause him negativity.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ronnie_allen on April 19, 2015, 11:19:59 PM
Giving an unnamed source as saying, this is disappointing for a professional and International football had me laughing. Rubbish article. A mild anaesthetic that as was mentioned is no more harmful than a couple of pints.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 19, 2015, 11:34:27 PM
Perhaps I worded it badly.

Berahino does care what people think; if you read some of his tweets then he's often defending his behaviour and he's also said that the media often pick at his weaknesses and build them into stories.

Personally I think this is a non-story and agree that it's harmless. I understand that it's sensationalism at it's best. However, I do find it hypocritical from Berahino that he's quick to moan about the media picking on him, and then he does something like this...again. Sure, it's pretty harmless but he knows fully well that it will cause him negativity.

You could argue that it only comes up because of fan expectation. If a paper thinks it can sell a story, it will. Therefore I believe it more shows the pathetic need to dig into famous/ successful people's lives just so they can be judged by normal people (as a stereotype, women's magazines have made an industry out of this).

He was successful last season, but not the walking Jesus Kane is made out to be (which I find funny as I believe out of the 4 England hopefuls ie Saido, Ings, Kane & Austin he's the weakest player). Coming from a smaller club as well meant they had no reason to hold back negative information as they can sell to the "see, celebrities are bad" people, so they printed the first hippy crack paper (which is legal and is basically like saying "my god, Player A went to a pub!he must be castigated") . Another example is Sterling, unsurprisingly negative press has followed him ever since he DARED to not sign his life away to the Vatican of football.

Essentially, I wouldn't be surprised if all this magically disappeared once he moved...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 19, 2015, 11:37:12 PM
Giving an unnamed source as saying, this is disappointing for a professional and International football had me laughing. Rubbish article. A mild anaesthetic that as was mentioned is no more harmful than a couple of pints.
In regular amounts, alcohol is probably MORE dangerous over time due to increased risk liver failure, yes there is documentation of overdosing, but that's the case with any drug... You can die from too much Coffee, chocolate.. Even water can kill you if you drink too much!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FLETCH on April 20, 2015, 07:41:47 AM
i would sell saido ASAP. he don't look interested.

Charlie Austin is a far better "overall" player than cheebs, brown or saido when it comes to work rate and what he brings to the team.

it aint like we even getting saidos goals now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 20, 2015, 07:56:25 AM
i agree, get rid in the summer but whos going to want him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on April 20, 2015, 08:08:56 AM
Id say most teams outside the top 4 would want him, that is a complete non-story too. Don't get albion fans sometimes, seem to love hard workers who 'put a shift in' yet someone with a bit of actual technical footballing talent and a bit of arrogance to go with it (which pretty much every successful footballer has) they want to get rid. No wonder we can't move on to the next level.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on April 20, 2015, 09:36:05 AM
On the basis of one stupid incident I would not ship him out of the club but it is not one stupid incident. It is a steady drip drip of off field indiscretions that range from the relatively petty to the downright dangerous and crassly stupid.

After the first incident of being filmed using "hippy crack" which is legal and by all accounts relatively harmless he apologised and said he would learn form the experience. Twelve months on with a drunk driving case on his rap sheet he does it again. That does not seem to be someone who is learning from his mistakes.

Setting aside the tabloid moral outrage which is as others have pointed out is easily over done. The far bigger issue is his willingness or otherwise to commit to an extended contract. With two years left this summer will be his peak market value. Equally Pulis is playing him as number 10 and that is not his game but equally he is not the big target man up front that Pulisball needs.

Overall we have a young player who has put in a few eye catching performances, might not sign a new contract is a little bit too fond of the party lifestyle and the current head coach won't play to his strengths. If someone makes a good offer then the club is going to sell.

The bigger issue for both parties is if no offer is forthcoming, then what? 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on April 20, 2015, 09:46:00 AM
The only thing for me which is worth a rollocking is the drink driving, no excuse for that at all although there probably isn't many people who can say they haven't done it.

The rest is all petty stuff that people who have an agenda against him try and use when they are nothing stories in my opinion
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 20, 2015, 11:56:18 AM
Not the brightest pin in the box really is he.
Hes already banned for DD, been caught twice doing this stuff, and boasting about it on social media.
If he's trying to work his ticket he should be aware that other managers/coaches/directors read the press as well and he's not that good at painting a very good picture of himself is he?
He should be concentrating on getting himself in the papers for the right reasons not this rubbish he persists with.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ComebackStrodds on April 20, 2015, 12:13:38 PM
Don't judge him!! He was only blowing up balloons for Roman Benars coke and canapé party
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 20, 2015, 12:27:23 PM
The only thing for me which is worth a rollocking is the drink driving, no excuse for that at all although there probably isn't many people who can say they haven't done it.

The rest is all petty stuff that people who have an agenda against him try and use when they are nothing stories in my opinion



i work for a gas company, its dangerous sniffing any gas.Hes an idiot
the sooner these legal highs get banned the better
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on April 20, 2015, 12:41:05 PM


i work for a gas company, its dangerous sniffing any gas.Hes an idiot
the sooner these legal highs get banned the better

21 year old being a bit stupid with his mate. SHOCK!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 20, 2015, 12:48:58 PM
21 year old being a bit stupid with his mate. SHOCK!

Not really a shock is it?
The kids brainless
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on April 20, 2015, 12:55:11 PM
Not really a shock is it?
The kids brainless

Not doing too bad for 'brainless' especially with the life he has. A lot of people would have gone off the rails with everything he has had to put up with.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 20, 2015, 01:09:49 PM
Not doing too bad for 'brainless' especially with the life he has. A lot of people would have gone off the rails with everything he has had to put up with.
He may not be off the rails yet, but he's headed in that direction. It doesn't take much for a pro footballer to scupper his career.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 20, 2015, 01:09:54 PM
Not doing too bad for 'brainless' especially with the life he has. A lot of people would have gone off the rails with everything he has had to put up with.


He had a rough start to life granted, but so do lots of other people and don't use it as an excuse whenever it suits them.
Like I said hes a kid, and a very privledged one at that with the world at his feet.
So far hes:
Lost his driving licence for D & D
Filmed twice using drugs
Needed bitch slapping by a senior pro
Turns up late for 3 games this season
Been sent back early when sent out on loan because of attitude problems.

Poor little mite

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on April 20, 2015, 01:14:17 PM

He had a rough start to life granted, but so do lots of other people and don't use it as an excuse whenever it suits them.
Like I said hes a kid, and a very privledged one at that with the world at his feet.
So far hes:
Lost his driving licence for D & D
Filmed twice using drugs
Needed bitch slapping by a senior pro
Turns up late for 3 games this season
Been sent back early when sent out on loan because of attitude problems.

Poor little mite

Yet without him we'd probably be bottom of the table by now. I try to concentrate on what players do on the pitch rather than off it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 20, 2015, 01:19:16 PM
Yet without him we'd probably be bottom of the table by now. I try to concentrate on what players do on the pitch rather than off it.

So his behaviour should be excused at all costs?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on April 20, 2015, 01:27:15 PM

He had a rough start to life granted, but so do lots of other people and don't use it as an excuse whenever it suits them.
Like I said hes a kid, and a very privledged one at that with the world at his feet.
So far hes:
Lost his driving licence for D & D
Filmed twice using drugs
Needed bitch slapping by a senior pro
Turns up late for 3 games this season
Been sent back early when sent out on loan because of attitude problems.

Poor little mite



D & D I agree, very stupid thing to do and hopefully learnt from it but as I mentioned early not many people havent although that is no excuse.

Doing drugs? Have a day off mate, a glass of wine is probably more harmful.

Slapped in the dressing room which happens up and down the country every Saturday in a lot of dressing rooms just a shame that we had a snake in ours who made it public.

Other two I don't really know much about but Pulis says his attitude has been spot on recently so it looks like he is growing up which all you can ask, he is only human afterall not his fault the ridiculous wages players get offered
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 20, 2015, 01:55:32 PM
D & D I agree, very stupid thing to do and hopefully learnt from it but as I mentioned early not many people havent although that is no excuse.

Doing drugs? Have a day off mate, a glass of wine is probably more harmful.

Slapped in the dressing room which happens up and down the country every Saturday in a lot of dressing rooms just a shame that we had a snake in ours who made it public.

Other two I don't really know much about but Pulis says his attitude has been spot on recently so it looks like he is growing up which all you can ask, he is only human afterall not his fault the ridiculous wages players get offered

suggest you do a bit more research before coming out with daft comments like that. Mate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on April 20, 2015, 02:07:22 PM
It is the lack of thought is more worrying than the act it itself.

"I got filmed smoking hippy crack, it rained stones on my head and I had to apologise, I know lets do it again that's a good idea"

While I do think the off field stuff is a bit of a sideshow but obviously you would worry about his capacity to do something really stupid from which there is no way back. The only way we are realistically going to keep him is by putting a £40-£50k a week contract on the table and that is a big investment in a kid who we know to be a little bit flakey with the capacity to mess things up big time.
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on April 20, 2015, 02:45:11 PM
suggest you do a bit more research before coming out with daft comments like that. Mate.

I stand by the comment that one balloon of nitrous oxide isn't dangerous. Stil used in dentists isn't it?

If you're going to stand next to a can all night and keep going and going then it could be different obviously but thats the same with any legal highs i.e. alcohol
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 20, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
As no-one off here was there then who knows how long he was doing it and how often he does.

He's a professional sportsman with a reponsilibity to look after himself and gets rewarded handsomely for it whether its legal or not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on April 20, 2015, 03:38:08 PM
Don't care what he does off the pitch as long as he does something on the pitch. Which he isn't. Watched him very carefully last few games and he's offered next to nothing. Bar one battle for the ball he won very well at Palace and a bit of physicality to get through on goal, we may as well have not played a number 9 for the Astle Day game he offered so little.

You can say 'oh everyone played badly then' or 'he's not getting the service' but if you're truly a gifted player you work your balls off regardless of goal/assist contributions. Christ knows how many yards Morrison covered on Saturday. The bloke was like the Duracell bunny. Bera was like he was running on the batteries at the bottom of a drawer you put there seven years ago because you weren't sure whether the remote was buggered or not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: CovBaggie on April 20, 2015, 04:08:48 PM
It's media hype and ove-rreporting as usual. Laughing gas is administered at a dentist for crying out loud, so it's not as dangerous as the media like you to think. For it to be called a 'legal high' is quite frankly pathetic.

And the guy is 20/21 years old? Tell me what person that age hasn't done something like that - I'm 23 and have done so called legals highs many a time.

I'm not saying he shouldn't do it, and yes, he needs to be careful if he partakes in such activity as we have all found out, someone with a camera in that situation is rather lethal. But who are we to question/ridicule him? Yes, he represents our club, but if you're a parent of a younger teen or whatever age, you cannot stop your child from doing something like this - if they want to do it, they will do it. It's all about education, and in my opinion children are educated very incorrectly on this sort of topic.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on April 20, 2015, 05:07:14 PM
It's media hype and ove-rreporting as usual. Laughing gas is administered at a dentist for crying out loud, so it's not as dangerous as the media like you to think. For it to be called a 'legal high' is quite frankly pathetic.

And the guy is 20/21 years old? Tell me what person that age hasn't done something like that - I'm 23 and have done so called legals highs many a time.

I'm not saying he shouldn't do it, and yes, he needs to be careful if he partakes in such activity as we have all found out, someone with a camera in that situation is rather lethal. But who are we to question/ridicule him? Yes, he represents our club, but if you're a parent of a younger teen or whatever age, you cannot stop your child from doing something like this - if they want to do it, they will do it. It's all about education, and in my opinion children are educated very incorrectly on this sort of topic.
A dentist is a medical professional who is trained in the use of anaesthetics and there is a reason for that.

I am past caring about Sadio's off the field antics lets just get him playing football as best as he can and then let the future take care of itself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on April 20, 2015, 05:27:30 PM
It's media hype and ove-rreporting as usual. Laughing gas is administered at a dentist for crying out loud, so it's not as dangerous as the media like you to think. For it to be called a 'legal high' is quite frankly pathetic.

And the guy is 20/21 years old? Tell me what person that age hasn't done something like that - I'm 23 and have done so called legals highs many a time.

I'm not saying he shouldn't do it, and yes, he needs to be careful if he partakes in such activity as we have all found out, someone with a camera in that situation is rather lethal. But who are we to question/ridicule him? Yes, he represents our club, but if you're a parent of a younger teen or whatever age, you cannot stop your child from doing something like this - if they want to do it, they will do it. It's all about education, and in my opinion children are educated very incorrectly on this sort of topic.

Laughing gas replaces the oxygen in your body, therefore common sense tells you.. the more you take in, the more oxygen you lose... do the math

on the other hand.. i agree about the 'media hype'....

he could score 100 goals a season but until he does a stupid thing, the media wont care.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 20, 2015, 05:32:20 PM
Laughing gas replaces the oxygen in your body, therefore common sense tells you.. the more you take in, the more oxygen you lose... do the math

on the other hand.. i agree about the 'media hype'....

he could score 100 goals a season but until he does a stupid thing, the media wont care.
I believe NO2 is dangerous because there is TOO much oxygen compared to natural air (which is 70% nitrogen, 20% oxygen.)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on April 20, 2015, 09:02:07 PM
i think this thread amply shows that "we" know very little about NO2 and legal highs and just that in itself makes them them "potentially" dangerous.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on April 21, 2015, 06:16:47 AM
It's media hype and ove-rreporting as usual. Laughing gas is administered at a dentist for crying out loud, so it's not as dangerous as the media like you to think. For it to be called a 'legal high' is quite frankly pathetic.

And the guy is 20/21 years old? Tell me what person that age hasn't done something like that - I'm 23 and have done so called legals highs many a time.

I'm not saying he shouldn't do it, and yes, he needs to be careful if he partakes in such activity as we have all found out, someone with a camera in that situation is rather lethal. But who are we to question/ridicule him? Yes, he represents our club, but if you're a parent of a younger teen or whatever age, you cannot stop your child from doing something like this - if they want to do it, they will do it. It's all about education, and in my opinion children are educated very incorrectly on this sort of topic.



Its very true  :D and i agree with this point i mean take sterling recently smoking shisha if ever i have had more of an anti climax it was smoking this for show rubbish its basically a flavored e cigarette thing that people are using nowadays, Then there was Wilshere smoking a fag at an open pool in Vegas caught up in the moment maybe more stupidity than anything but again im sure its not an everyday kind of thing. I would put money on footballers at a very high level being on some much more serious stuff but there just smart about it when they want to do it.

My problem lies more with humanity how many people are willing and so quick to get there phones out film it and then sell it on rather than enjoying themselves and concentrating on there own business.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on April 21, 2015, 07:58:02 AM
This short piece is from the FRANK web site who offer advice on drugs and the effects of using drugs.

What is nitrous oxide?
Nitrous oxide is a gas with several legitimate uses, but when inhaled it can make people feel euphoric and relaxed. This happy feeling has led to it being nicknamed ‘laughing gas’. Some people also experience hallucinations.

However, there is a risk of death as a lack of oxygen can occur when using nitrous oxide. This risk is likely to be greater if the gas is consumed in an enclosed space or if a substantial amount is rapidly used.

There are three main legitimate uses of nitrous oxide:

To numb pain during medical procedures such as dental work.
In engines to increase their power output.
In catering, in whipped cream aerosol cans to prevent the cream going ‘bad’and in food packaging to prevent the food from rotting.

Nitrous oxide is a colourless gas. Some people say that it has a slightly sweet smell and taste.

 It is normally bought in pressured canisters, varying in size and depending on what it will be used for. The gas is commonly transferred to a container, e.g. a balloon, from which the gas is inhaled.

Nitrous oxide is most commonly inhaled through the mouth. Because nitrous oxide is a pressurised gas in the canister, there is a risk of harming yourself if you inhale nitrous oxide straight from the canister. This method can lead to sudden death due to a lack of oxygen and is one reason why nitrous oxide is sold to people in balloons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 21, 2015, 08:45:42 AM
This short piece is from the FRANK web site who offer advice on drugs and the effects of using drugs.

What is nitrous oxide?
Nitrous oxide is a gas with several legitimate uses, but when inhaled it can make people feel euphoric and relaxed. This happy feeling has led to it being nicknamed ‘laughing gas’. Some people also experience hallucinations.

However, there is a risk of death as a lack of oxygen can occur when using nitrous oxide. This risk is likely to be greater if the gas is consumed in an enclosed space or if a substantial amount is rapidly used.

There are three main legitimate uses of nitrous oxide:

To numb pain during medical procedures such as dental work.
In engines to increase their power output.
In catering, in whipped cream aerosol cans to prevent the cream going ‘bad’and in food packaging to prevent the food from rotting.

Nitrous oxide is a colourless gas. Some people say that it has a slightly sweet smell and taste.

 It is normally bought in pressured canisters, varying in size and depending on what it will be used for. The gas is commonly transferred to a container, e.g. a balloon, from which the gas is inhaled.

Nitrous oxide is most commonly inhaled through the mouth. Because nitrous oxide is a pressurised gas in the canister, there is a risk of harming yourself if you inhale nitrous oxide straight from the canister. This method can lead to sudden death due to a lack of oxygen and is one reason why nitrous oxide is sold to people in balloons.


working for a gas company for 30 years who manufactures this gas. That is the key, lack of oxygen
during my time with this company i have known of over 20 fatalities on the back of people abusing this gas
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on April 21, 2015, 09:20:37 AM
The thing with Berahino now is, the hype has gone.

Our best chance of getting 'stupid' money for him was in January, when to be honest we would have been silly to sell, unless a ridiculous fee came in.

He hasnt really hit the heights of late, and to be honest I couldnt see a club coming in for him in the summer for anything more than 8-10 million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on April 21, 2015, 07:30:07 PM
21 year old being a bit stupid with his mate. SHOCK!

Not shocked at all i mean if it was the 1st time i would call it STUPID but its the 2nd time after the club have spoken to him about it i'd call that defiant or at the very least sticking his 2 fingers up to the club. He shows no signs of growing up.
 :-[ A great talent who is on the verge of throwing it all away.
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on April 21, 2015, 08:00:14 PM
Not shocked at all i mean if it was the 1st time i would call it STUPID but its the 2nd time after the club have spoken to him about it i'd call that defiant or at the very least sticking his 2 fingers up to the club. He shows no signs of growing up.
 :-[ A great talent who is on the verge of throwing it all away.
Are we sure it is definitely a second 'offence' or are the media double reporting his original transgression in order to link it to Sterling?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 21, 2015, 08:34:46 PM
The thing with Berahino now is, the hype has gone.

Our best chance of getting 'stupid' money for him was in January, when to be honest we would have been silly to sell, unless a ridiculous fee came in.

He hasnt really hit the heights of late, and to be honest I couldnt see a club coming in for him in the summer for anything more than 8-10 million.
This season he's been quite streaky, a bit like Rooney where he scores in patches but is quiet elsewhere. We need Berahino to score a few more from now until the final game to keep him relevant and at a high price.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 22, 2015, 06:13:23 AM
Still be here next season, and amen to that!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 22, 2015, 10:38:04 AM
Lets not get carried away, he hasn't done anything illegal when it comes to the laughing gas stuff. He has been very stupid for having it filmed and posting it on social media but why has it taken months to come to light in the media? Wouldn't be anything to do with him having the same agent as Raheem Sterling who quite frankly looks like he's being torn apart in the news as a money hungry tosser.

There was also a big difference for me when it came to the first time Saido was filmed doing this than this one. The first incident he drove his car right after inhaling the stuff, now that was extremely stupid and could have led to him causing a major accident that could have potentially cost lives. This time he is in a house doing something that is perfectly legal even though I do think it is ridiculously stupid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on April 22, 2015, 10:44:42 AM
Saido's not the type of player that's going to create his own chances.  Get the right target man for him to play off, and some speed wingers (creating space) and the goals will come back.

We need to sort out his contract now.  I don't think we'll get a sufficiently attractive offer for him.  The cost of replacing him would be far to expensive.

Personality-wise I'd just like him to knuckle down and focus on being a professional footballer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on April 22, 2015, 03:48:15 PM
Are we sure it is definitely a second 'offence' or are the media double reporting his original transgression in order to link it to Sterling?

I could be wrong but wasn't the 1st video taken inside a car, if it is the same one i apologize
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 23, 2015, 08:42:36 AM
I hear Jacks taking Happy Hippy Crack too
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on April 23, 2015, 09:11:54 AM
I hear Jacks taking Happy Hippy Crack too

Is he still going strong or has he jumped yet  :D.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kirk on April 23, 2015, 07:10:32 PM
A year ago Berahino or Kane.... The kid has already slipped down
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 23, 2015, 07:35:41 PM
A year ago Berahino or Kane.... The kid has already slipped down
Well, take into account that in the League alone Spurs have 53 goals (Kane has 20, so less than half)... we have 32 and Saido has 12. It's about a 5% difference (37%-32%), not all that much when you consider just how many chances Spurs. SHOULD be making compared to us. It's what makes me think England's best striker this season is Charlie Austin... he's only 3 short of Kane in the league and I use the League as then we can judge by comparable competition over similar numbers of games. Taking Kane's Euro Goals into account is like giving Saido 3 games against Gateshead... it screws the fairness.

Personally, if he was fit, I'd pick Carroll over Kane as they are similar big units with mild to decent talent and are best when utilising their face, however Carroll seems to me a more naturally gifted player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on April 24, 2015, 08:11:29 PM
Is he still going strong or has he jumped yet  :D.
Went for a long walk  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on April 27, 2015, 10:43:00 AM
Berahino is looking less effective as he gets less service from the players around him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on April 27, 2015, 11:36:47 AM
When you take into account he isnt ending the season particularly well, the fact you would imagine Ings and Austin are both going to be in demand in the summer, the likes of Benteke and Falcao are likely to be in demand...you start to question who is going to want to sign Berahino???

Chelsea and Man City - No chance

Man Utd - Highly unlikely, supposedly want Benteke and will be wanting a big name to push for title

Liverpool - Supposedly very keen on Ings, rumoured to be interested in Benteke and/or Falcao - they will want proven goalscorer to help push them back into Champs League

Arsenal - Can't see it myself...they have similar players to Berahino and can't see them taking a punt.

Spurs - Maybe???

Not sure who else in England would be in the market for him...Southampton maybe, but are they going to be able to spend top dollar on him? Can't see Everton affording him.

Maybe a club will come in for him from abroad, but I wouldnt be surprised if Berahino is in for a rude awakening this summer! His off the field antics won't have helped his chances either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on April 27, 2015, 11:45:31 AM
Good, hope he stays for a few years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 27, 2015, 12:19:52 PM
Even allowing for the fact that the service to him is not great his overall contribution to the game is below what we should be accepting. He looks disinterested and his touch has been appauling recently.
McManaman and Ideye had exactly the same service but they made things happen on the pitch when they cam on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba_jd26 on April 30, 2015, 11:30:36 AM
ALBION striker Saido Berahino today announced plans to launch a foundation in his name to help the vulnerable and disadvantaged.

The Saido Berahino Foundation will be launched at a Gala benefit in London next week with the immediate aim of raising funds for charitable work both at home and overseas.

It’s a proud moment for the young Premier League footballer and it was made even better as WaterAid confirmed that Saido will become an official Ambassador for the charity. 

Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-west-brom-saido-berahino-foundation-charity-wateraid-2432015.aspx#QFqlGB8V8qcHpwFX.99

Looks like he is turning a corner. I hope he is here next season and we are able to improve the squad around him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on April 30, 2015, 11:57:12 AM
Brilliant. Well done Saido.  Hopefully the penny has dropped.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on April 30, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
good on him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on April 30, 2015, 03:16:48 PM
ALBION striker Saido Berahino today announced plans to launch a foundation in his name to help the vulnerable and disadvantaged.

The Saido Berahino Foundation will be launched at a Gala benefit in London next week with the immediate aim of raising funds for charitable work both at home and overseas.

It’s a proud moment for the young Premier League footballer and it was made even better as WaterAid confirmed that Saido will become an official Ambassador for the charity. 

Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-west-brom-saido-berahino-foundation-charity-wateraid-2432015.aspx#QFqlGB8V8qcHpwFX.99

Looks like he is turning a corner. I hope he is here next season and we are able to improve the squad around him.

Two replies to this in just under four hours, you can bet your life if he was in trouble again people would be jumping all over this thread moaning about how horrible Saido is and how they can't "connect" with him...

Good on you Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on April 30, 2015, 03:19:44 PM
Two replies to this in just under four hours, you can bet your life if he was in trouble again people would be jumping all over this thread moaning about how horrible Saido is and how they can't "connect" with him...

Good on you Saido.

So true, sad really :-(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on April 30, 2015, 03:27:51 PM
It sounds as though this is not the only charitable work he is involved in, hats off to him, well done lad
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on April 30, 2015, 03:43:33 PM
Good lad, trying to do good things for others.

With the start he had in life and the things he went through he can be a massive inspiration for other youngsters and is giving them a platform by setting up his foundation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on April 30, 2015, 04:46:05 PM
well done saido nice touch hope the project takes off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on April 30, 2015, 05:28:54 PM
It is to be hoped that this initiative gets as many column inches as his earlier indiscretions I guess it won't but never the less it is good to see. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on April 30, 2015, 08:50:37 PM
This tends to backup what people who know him well have been saying....that he is basically a good lad who has had some bad moments.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 30, 2015, 09:44:04 PM
right im going to be very controversial
would he get as much stick if he was white ??

I think its a fair question..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 30, 2015, 09:48:33 PM
right im going to be very controversial
would he get as much stick if he was white ??

I think its a fair question..

yes he would from me. Couldn't give a sh*t about the colour of his skin it's his attitude that narks me.

Just re-read my response and want to add:

Plenty of our white players get stick, don't think the stick he gets has anything to do with colour.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on April 30, 2015, 10:05:45 PM
right im going to be very controversial
would he get as much stick if he was white ??

I think its a fair question..

What's his skin colour got to do with anything?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on April 30, 2015, 10:16:47 PM
What's his skin colour got to do with anything?

Agree, pathetic. Race should never be an equation. Most of us have grown up 'clubbing, in Brum - to the most diverse and respected scene anywhere in the UK. We should be very proud and embrace our diversity on all levels. I can tell you that we are the envy of many major cities and cultures.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on April 30, 2015, 10:40:57 PM
right im going to be very controversial
would he get as much stick if he was white ??

I think its a fair question..

Really suprised you asked that Zippy.

I honestly think race just isn't an issue for 90% of people now. Easy for me to say as a white male maybe and maybe i'm just being very naive. But i think Saido is being judged on his actions, same as if he was called Sam and was ginger.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on May 01, 2015, 09:37:52 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11578182/How-Saido-Berahino-went-from-from-Burundi-to-West-Brom-and-why-hes-no-bad-boy.html

Great article IMO
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on May 01, 2015, 09:49:55 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11578182/How-Saido-Berahino-went-from-from-Burundi-to-West-Brom-and-why-hes-no-bad-boy.html

Great article IMO

I agree, cracking article. With the forming of his foundation and the sense he talks in this article it looks like he's turned a corner, long may it continue.  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on May 01, 2015, 09:52:27 PM
I agree, cracking article. With the forming of his foundation and the sense he talks in this article it looks like he's turned a corner, long may it continue.  ;D
He likes to score against Man Utd too here's hoping wink wink
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 01, 2015, 10:22:33 PM
Really suprised you asked that Zippy.

I honestly think race just isn't an issue for 90% of people now. Easy for me to say as a white male maybe and maybe i'm just being very naive. But i think Saido is being judged on his actions, same as if he was called Sam and was ginger.
I really believe that the black players get more (unfair) stick than the white players,I maybe wrong but it's how i see it
And I am a white male and not a raving lefty
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on May 02, 2015, 01:23:25 AM
I really believe that the black players get more (unfair) stick than the white players,I maybe wrong but it's how i see it
And I am a white male and not a raving lefty
I completely disagree; off the top of my head the players I can think of who get the most stick over the past 5-10 years have been:

- Suarez (foreign)
- Terry (white English)
- Barton (white English)
- Ashley Cole (mixed race, English)

I genuinely can't think of any black players who get more abuse than white/other nationalities.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on May 02, 2015, 07:47:48 AM
right im going to be very controversial
would he get as much stick if he was white ??

I think its a fair question..

It's got absolutely nothing to do with the countless misdemeanors then? Nope it's just because he's black.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on May 02, 2015, 10:48:15 AM
The narrative is a simple one from a media point of view these are young high profile athletes who earn small fortunes who are built up as role models and when they do stupid stuff it gets reported. I don't think there is a racial element. Wilshere's off field indiscretions (smoking) have been heavily reported, I shudder to think what the headlines would look like for Harry Kane if got himself into the situations that Saido has in the last twelve months.

If players conduct themselves in a professional manner there is no story when they don't it is a story. It really doesn't matter about the player's race.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Wigmore on May 02, 2015, 12:05:34 PM
It's got absolutely nothing to do with the countless misdemeanors then? Nope it's just because he's black.

Don't you  think the use of 'countless' is over the top? Not a favourite player then?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on May 02, 2015, 12:09:01 PM
No I don't and no he's not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on May 02, 2015, 12:24:52 PM
Well done young man & i hope its a resounding success  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 02, 2015, 10:18:27 PM
I completely disagree; off the top of my head the players I can think of who get the most stick over the past 5-10 years have been:

- Suarez (foreign)
- Terry (white English)
- Barton (white English)
- Ashley Cole (mixed race, English)

I genuinely can't think of any black players who get more abuse than white/other nationalities.
I actually meant in terms of our players
for instance
Berahino ..caught speeding and sucking helium (roughly speaking) and now  apparently he is billy big balls, got an attitude, doesn't deserve the shirt etc , in contrast Bednar actually done for real drugs and no one really said too much??
Odemwingie , practically created a period of continual downfall of the dingles on his own , as well as scoring umpteen goals for us in the premiership but because he was openly at another club on transfer day (as was fletcher to us) then he is satan ??
brown ..."he aye wuth 10million" etc etc etc
Vic ...He aye fit etc etc etc
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on May 02, 2015, 10:35:44 PM
Anyone going to give the kid some credit for his performance this evening? Worked hard on little to no service and showed some good maturity and work ethic and had some good and important touches
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 02, 2015, 10:38:53 PM
I actually meant in terms of our players
for instance
Berahino ..caught speeding and sucking helium (roughly speaking) and now  apparently he is billy big balls, got an attitude, doesn't deserve the shirt etc , in contrast Bednar actually done for real drugs and no one really said too much??
Odemwingie , practically created a period of continual downfall of the dingles on his own , as well as scoring umpteen goals for us in the premiership but because he was openly at another club on transfer day (as was fletcher to us) then he is satan ??
brown ..."he aye wuth 10million" etc etc etc
Vic ...He aye fit etc etc etc
What's Brunt's excuse? He's the one who's got it in the neck the most over by far the most amount of time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on May 02, 2015, 10:40:10 PM
Anyone going to give the kid some credit for his performance this evening? Worked hard on little to no service and showed some good maturity and work ethic and had some good and important touches

I said in game that he'd done a job for the team, he was one player of ours that could keep the ball when surrounded by Red. A very mature, selfless display tonight. Hopefully with Newcastles defensive issues he may be able to a grab a goal next week.

At least giving away the pen and then the follow up free kick means TP might rule him out for playing at the back  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on May 03, 2015, 08:06:29 AM
6 months ago he couldn't be relied on as a lone frontman but now you can rely on him. His hold up play and movement has improved. The goals will come back when we have some players with pace and power to support him post summer. He's the only striker we should keep anyway........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on May 03, 2015, 08:33:37 AM
worked tirelessly

fair play to the lad real team performance that was from Saido

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on May 03, 2015, 08:34:16 AM
6 months ago he couldn't be relied on as a lone frontman but now you can rely on him. His hold up play and movement has improved. The goals will come back when we have some players with pace and power to support him post summer. He's the only striker we should keep anyway........


Agreed.

Messi wouldn't score 25 goals a season if he had no support.

Put Saido in a team that creates chances and he will score goals. He is a human being not a magician.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on May 03, 2015, 08:55:49 AM
I actually meant in terms of our players
for instance
Berahino ..caught speeding and sucking helium (roughly speaking) and now  apparently he is billy big balls, got an attitude, doesn't deserve the shirt etc , in contrast Bednar actually done for real drugs and no one really said too much??
Odemwingie , practically created a period of continual downfall of the dingles on his own , as well as scoring umpteen goals for us in the premiership but because he was openly at another club on transfer day (as was fletcher to us) then he is satan ??
brown ..."he aye wuth 10million" etc etc etc
Vic ...He aye fit etc etc etc
Our own players get stick if they deserve it, for instance Brown interacts well with the fans, he may be a bit rubbish but he's also well liked.

Berahino was caught speeding massively over the limit, Odemwingie **** on us as fans and as a club, and Anichebe gets the same treatment that the likes of Brunt, Ridgewell etc got simply for being poor at times.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on May 03, 2015, 12:52:21 PM
I actually meant in terms of our players
for instance
Berahino ..caught speeding and sucking helium (roughly speaking) and now  apparently he is billy big balls, got an attitude, doesn't deserve the shirt etc , in contrast Bednar actually done for real drugs and no one really said too much??
Odemwingie , practically created a period of continual downfall of the dingles on his own , as well as scoring umpteen goals for us in the premiership but because he was openly at another club on transfer day (as was fletcher to us) then he is satan ??
brown ..."he aye wuth 10million" etc etc etc
Vic ...He aye fit etc etc etc

This whole post is offensive to suggest that supporters back or don't back players at this club due to color.
Odemwingie went out of his way to create and foster a division between himself and us, to compare him being at QPR on transfer day to Fletcher is just incredibly deceptive, PO had lost 90% or more of the fans I would think by the time he did leave, I wanted to like him, he was very good on the ball, had a great shot and wasn't afraid to unleash, but... he was an absolute twonk and that had nothing to do with his skin color.
We all want to like Berahino also, but he tests patience because his attitude off the club is that off a selfish player and not one of a hard working professional and he tests that way people feel when he openly states he wants to leave.
Players are judged on performance on and (whether people like it or not in the modern world) off the pitch. Not on skin color.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on May 03, 2015, 01:19:41 PM
I think all we ask of the players that wear the shirt is to treat the  club and fans with a bit of respect instead of doing the billy big balls like some of them do
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on May 03, 2015, 01:44:25 PM
Well played yesterday Saido, hard working overall team performance complimented by your selfless running.

It must be very diffficult to maintain interest in a game as a forward when the team defend for such prolonged periods.

And well done for setting up the foundation, hope it all works out well fella.
 8).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on May 03, 2015, 02:20:08 PM
Saido needs to fire Aidy Ward as his agent and take advice from Darren Fletcher about which agent to replace him, and also about how to conduct himself off the field.

He could be the next Harry Kane or he could be the next Michael Chopra.  His choice.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 03, 2015, 04:14:45 PM
Saido needs to fire Aidy Ward as his agent and take advice from Darren Fletcher about which agent to replace him, and also about how to conduct himself off the field.

He could be the next Harry Kane or he could be the next Michael Chopra.  His choice.
Wasn't he basically Harry Kane before Harry Kane? New, exiting striker on the block who seemed to score for fun, to the point there was public demand for him to be included in the England squad?

Charlie Austin's done better than both of them this year anyway... In comparison to the level he's playing for.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on May 05, 2015, 12:40:39 PM
Wasn't he basically Harry Kane before Harry Kane? New, exiting striker on the block who seemed to score for fun, to the point there was public demand for him to be included in the England squad?

Charlie Austin's done better than both of them this year anyway... In comparison to the level he's playing for.

Charlie Austin will soon be 26, not a fair comparison IMO
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 05, 2015, 01:49:20 PM
Charlie Austin will soon be 26, not a fair comparison IMO
why not? Austin has the LEAST PL experience out of the 3 off them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on May 05, 2015, 02:28:31 PM
why not? Austin has the LEAST PL experience out of the 3 off them.

Kane and Berahino have 4/5 years experience to gain,  then they will be at place in their careers where Austin is.

C.A. should be more mature, physically developed and a finished article than the "hot young prospects"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on May 10, 2015, 07:55:45 PM
Linked with United today.

How much are we willing to accept for ? 10m?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on May 10, 2015, 08:06:46 PM
Linked with United today.

How much are we willing to accept for ? 10m?

No chance. We couldn't replace him for that. £15m min in todays overinflated market.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 10, 2015, 08:18:56 PM
McCormack went from Leeds to Fulham for around £11m, Rhodes from Huddersfield to Blackburn for £8m

Anyone happy to accept £10m for Berahino is underselling our prize assest massively.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on May 10, 2015, 08:25:41 PM
We have been trying to sell him with a year loan back deal to us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on May 10, 2015, 08:30:38 PM
We have been trying to sell him with a year loan back deal to us.

I'm struggling to see how well that would work.
Could we get the commitment out of him during that 12 months?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on May 10, 2015, 08:35:14 PM
We have been trying to sell him with a year loan back deal to us.
Sounds fairly sensible. If Berahino is the real business then we get paid and one more year out of him. If he flops we get paid and he's not our problem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 10, 2015, 08:47:33 PM
I'm struggling to see how well that would work.
Could we get the commitment out of him during that 12 months?

I actually think it's a great deal if possible by the club. Saido will want to impress and show everyone at the new club what he can do. I don't think it's realistic that he'll not try and show his new parent club that he's a petulant sod.
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on May 10, 2015, 08:50:38 PM
We have been trying to sell him with a year loan back deal to us.
I'm struggling to think of any similar arrangements between two prem clubs - anyone know of any (assuming we are looking to sell him to another prem club) ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on May 10, 2015, 09:02:22 PM
With all this talk of Saido and this on going saga of will he/wont he stay emerging again, I think the point and question that needs to be highlighted is one of "Is he actually THAT good?". I personally think not. I know he is our prized asset at the moment but that is more down to the rest of the dross that we have in the striking department rather than Saido's actual ability. I think if we get offered anywhere in the region of 15 million we should snap it up without hesitation without any talk of loan back deals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on May 10, 2015, 09:09:39 PM
I'm struggling to think of any similar arrangements between two prem clubs - anyone know of any (assuming we are looking to sell him to another prem club) ?

Zaha?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on May 10, 2015, 09:11:07 PM
With all this talk of Saido and this on going saga of will he/wont he stay emerging again, I think the point and question that needs to be highlighted is one of "Is he actually THAT good?". I personally think not. I know he is our prized asset at the moment but that is more down to the rest of the dross that we have in the striking department rather than Saido's actual ability. I think if we get offered anywhere in the region of 15 million we should snap it up without hesitation without any talk of loan back deals.
As others have mentioned, it's a sellers market, when you've got players like McCormack and even Ideye Brown going for fairly high fees (obviously with add-ons) then I think £15 million plus a loan-back for a year is fairly doable. Remember, Man Utd are spending like crazy right now, they spent £30 million on Luke Shaw in the summer. The negotiation ball is very much in our hands and we can call the shots.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on May 10, 2015, 09:11:50 PM
We have been trying to sell him with a year loan back deal to us.

To a certain team or just offering him out to clubs with that deal in place?!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on May 10, 2015, 10:19:35 PM
We have to sell or get him to sign a new contract this summer or his stock lowers and both the club and Saido/His agents are aware of this. He wont sign a new deal so a transfer is being pushed but has anything been agreed? absolutely not, nor is it anywhere near but we are open to any offers of a certain value that is very very clear and we know what we want. With better creativity from our team he would be great for another 12 months.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on May 10, 2015, 10:33:41 PM
Zaha?
Think Palace were in the Championship (2 seasons ago) when he signed for Man U in the Jan window and was loaned back until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on May 10, 2015, 10:38:27 PM
We have to sell or get him to sign a new contract this summer or his stock lowers and both the club and Saido/His agents are aware of this. He wont sign a new deal so a transfer is being pushed but has anything been agreed? absolutely not, nor is it anywhere near but we are open to any offers of a certain value that is very very clear and we know what we want. With better creativity from our team he would be great for another 12 months.

Wonder if this means that the chances of Ideye staying are higher, there's a player in there, just needs to be picked and have creativity behind him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 10, 2015, 10:44:56 PM
I don't think its possible to sell Berahino to another Premier League club and loan him back in the same transfer window. Found this on a piece relating to the potential move for Ings to Liverpool in January where they would have loaned him straight back to Burnley until the end of the season.

Premier League rule V7 regarding transfers so simply cannot happen," he said. The rule states: "A temporary transfer to a club may not take place in the transfer window in which the transferor club acquired the player's registration."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/danny-ings-to-liverpool-burnley-insist-transfer-of-striker-simply-cannot-happen-10014254.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on May 10, 2015, 11:41:07 PM
This has always been the end game with Berahino. Either he signs a new contract or we sell this summer. The club would have to make him one of our best paid players if not our highest earner and with a kid who is still finding his way in the game and life that is a risk. With just two years remaining on his contract we don't have the luxury of delay.

We will get a decent fee and  and if we can find a decent target man and a genuine number 10 (Berahino is neither) then perhaps we may end up in a better place than we are now and the player gets his dream move and good luck to him he will need it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIE5 on May 11, 2015, 07:33:39 PM
He's been linked with city now in the mirror.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on May 12, 2015, 07:27:12 AM
If he goes to city perhaps we can have milner and dzecho in part exchange.  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 12, 2015, 08:29:58 AM
If he goes to city perhaps we can have milner and dzecho in part exchange.  :P


what about Bony
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on May 12, 2015, 08:50:19 AM
I know he doesn't seem like the brightest button in the box but surely he'll look at what moving to City did for the careers of Sinclair, Wright Phillips and Rodwell.

Mind you that depends on whether he considers his bank balance more important than actually playing football.

No doubt we'll do ok out of the move though.  Must be able to get £20mil plus out of them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on May 12, 2015, 09:44:21 AM
If he goes to City, he will be out on loan in 2 years to a newly promoted team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on May 12, 2015, 09:47:25 AM
I know he doesn't seem like the brightest button in the box but surely he'll look at what moving to City did for the careers of Sinclair, Wright Phillips and Rodwell.

Mind you that depends on whether he considers his bank balance more important than actually playing football.

No doubt we'll do ok out of the move though.  Must be able to get £20mil plus out of them.

You would think the penny would drop? I think there are 2 elements that draw a young player into this sort of move.Firstly the lure of a big pay day 3 year contract worth say £10m set for life by his mid 20's is difficult to turn down but at least as important is the players mindset. On the one hand they are not secure enough to turn the opportunity down on the grounds it might not materialise again and conversely they think they are different and will be the ones to buck the trend and breakthrough.

In Berahino's case he will barely get a kick being behind Aguerro and Bony, and  that assumes  Jovetic and Dzeko move on this summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 12, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
Trying to sell him, I heard we have had some discussions with his agent regarding a two year extension on his contract...

On another note I personally can not see either City or United being interested, I might be wrong but seems like newspaper garbage
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on May 12, 2015, 09:55:28 AM
Let's be honest - Berahino is not worth £20m ........yet. But after another goal scoring season in the Premiership with us he could no longer be regarded as a one season wonder and he could then be worth £30m plus!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 12, 2015, 09:59:38 AM
To be honest i don't think he is anywhere near good enough to play for a top 4 club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 12, 2015, 10:01:31 AM
i aint going to loose any sleep whatever happens
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on May 12, 2015, 10:33:38 AM
To be honest i don't think he is anywhere near good enough to play for a top 4 club.
Agree, but signing for one and playing for one are two completely different things.
.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on May 12, 2015, 11:57:43 AM
Let's be honest - Berahino is not worth £20m ........yet. But after another goal scoring season in the Premiership with us he could no longer be regarded as a one season wonder and he could then be worth £30m plus!

He's worth what anybody is daft enough to pay for him. We were hoodwinked into spending £6m on a stretcher case so £20m for Berahino is easily on a par.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on May 12, 2015, 11:59:39 AM
Rumours are that with the loss of Milner, Man City will be looking for English/Home-Grown players to fulfill their quota. Definitely means they could end up going for someone like Berahino has a 4th choice striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on May 12, 2015, 12:06:06 PM
With regard filling quotas, City will probably need some home-grown talent. As others have said, would be a bad move for Saido though as he will see so little game time.

He would ideally play another season as a regular somewhere however with our style of play and his contract situation, it seems unlikely to be here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DaveWBA on May 12, 2015, 12:37:18 PM
I don't particularly like the kid, nor do I think he's that good but how depressing is it to think that one of the best talents we've produced in recent times could be sold to one of the big boys just to fill a quota? Whilst potentially ruining his own development as a footballer. Sad stuff.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on May 12, 2015, 02:10:48 PM
I don't particularly like the kid, nor do I think he's that good but how depressing is it to think that one of the best talents we've produced in recent times could be sold to one of the big boys just to fill a quota? Whilst potentially ruining his own development as a footballer. Sad stuff.

Edin Dzeko has expressed a wish to stay at his palatial home in cheshire (next door to fletch) as his family is settled there. And has long been an admirer of Tony Pulis, straight swap for Saido

(yes I'm joking !)  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DaveWBA on May 12, 2015, 02:13:49 PM
Edin Dzeko has expressed a wish to stay at his palatial home in cheshire (next door to fletch) as his family is settled there. And has long been an admirer of Tony Pulis, straight swap for Saido

(yes I'm joking !)  ;)

Dzeko is bound for Wolfsburg again, Jovetic on the other hand has something to prove in the PL...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on May 12, 2015, 02:23:17 PM
Dzeko is bound for Wolfsburg again, Jovetic on the other hand has something to prove in the PL...

I would love to see Jovetic (or Negredo) at the hawthorns.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on May 12, 2015, 06:31:20 PM
I think we can believe he will no longer be with us at the start of next season. I hope City start a bidding war for him and the price keeps going up.
Peace will wring the last penny for anyone buying him.
Sooner he goes as quickly as possible to give Pulis the ammunition to start rebuilding.
No good keeping players who are not wholeheartedly behind the cause.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 14, 2015, 12:04:06 AM
I would love to see Jovetic (or Negredo) at the hawthorns.

If you do, it won't be in an Albion shirt.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on May 14, 2015, 12:05:54 AM
I would love to see Jovetic (or Negredo) at the hawthorns.

Not in a million years would those happen I'm afraid. They are top European strikers especially Negredo. The only reason Jovetic is struggling at City is because of constant injury worries as opposed to form.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on May 19, 2015, 09:14:26 AM
Put a couple of bob on the price last night.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on May 19, 2015, 09:53:19 AM
His first goal was top class. I'm pretty sure all his penalties have gone in the same corner aswell ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on May 19, 2015, 10:23:47 AM
He put himself in the shop window again. Strikes the ball so well nearly all the time. Think he's more dangerous from the edge of the box than Kane, Ings or Austin - and with either foot.

Sure he put the penalty at Anfield in the top right corner by the way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on May 19, 2015, 10:33:55 AM
I reckon we should get a minimum of £15m for SB. I wouldn't take a penny less.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 19, 2015, 10:34:05 AM
Just found out he shares an agent with Raheem Sterling - needs sacking immediately considering they're both in the newspapers about laughing gas and contract disputes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on May 19, 2015, 10:36:41 AM
Can't sell at anything less than 20 million In my eyes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on May 19, 2015, 11:21:07 AM
I still think we would be stupid to sell him.

To sell him for say 16 million, we would need to spend that much on someone who is as good a finisher as him anyway, so there wouldnt be much point.

He reminds me Defoe 10 years ago.

Great performance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on May 19, 2015, 11:21:38 AM
I hope the lad stays to finish off his education but has they say money talks, if we do sell him i'm sure JP will have a sell on clause written into it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 19, 2015, 11:29:36 AM
If we don't sell him this summer we need to do our best to get him tied down to a new deal even if it is just a year or two extension to give us a chance of maximising our profit when he does eventually leave.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on May 19, 2015, 11:35:17 AM
Over £20million easy. The best Championship strikers are valued between £10-12million.

Berahino has shown he can score goals in the top league.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on May 19, 2015, 01:18:27 PM
They are talking about Harry Kane being worth £40mil. Now I'm not saying Berahino is as good as Kane but is Kane twice the player Berahino is? I would say no! Look at the goals Saido has scored this season - outside the box, in the 6yard box, screamers, tap ins, placed shots...basically every type of goal.

To score 20 in a season for a team who has struggled is really an impressive effort...if he wants to leave, we shouldnt be selling for any less than £25mil in my opinion. Add to the fact he's English...I reckon top clubs are desperate for decent young English players, hence why we should be in a position to charge more than the norm!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 19, 2015, 02:13:33 PM
Its hard to judge , nowhere near as simple as some fans say he is worth x so we get x or else.
Is Andy Carroll worth 50Mill or would you have taken SKP on a free?
can we see in to the future, Neil Mellor , Freddie Adu and Cristpher Wreh were all going to be the next big thing .
I think if he wants to go he will, no point moaning about his agent or loyalty or game time , pure fact is that if any of us were offered to sit on our ass and get 50k a week we would?
His price will be determined by a few factors , mainly IF/who wants him , if chelsea come in wit 5 others the price goes up, if newcastle came in and they were the only ones and he was unsettled it wouldnt be that far fetched if he went for 12-14Mill
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on May 19, 2015, 05:00:58 PM
Its hard to judge , nowhere near as simple as some fans say he is worth x so we get x or else.
Is Andy Carroll worth 50Mill or would you have taken SKP on a free?
can we see in to the future, Neil Mellor , Freddie Adu and Cristpher Wreh were all going to be the next big thing .
I think if he wants to go he will, no point moaning about his agent or loyalty or game time , pure fact is that if any of us were offered to sit on our ass and get 50k a week we would?
His price will be determined by a few factors , mainly IF/who wants him , if chelsea come in wit 5 others the price goes up, if newcastle came in and they were the only ones and he was unsettled it wouldnt be that far fetched if he went for 12-14Mill

None of  those actually did anything in the premier though. The reason Berahino will be worth so much is because he has the numbers to back up his potential. A 14 goal season for a 21 year old in the premier is really quite rare. The only other people 21 or under who've scored that many in recent years that I can think of are Lukaku and Kane.

I suspect he probably will go and frankly i'd hope its well received by our fans when it does happen. We don't play a style that suits him, though the lessons he's learned about hold up play for us will be very good for him, and he'd score a load in a team that actually create chances I think. 14 of our 37 league goals is a big achievement.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 19, 2015, 06:36:59 PM
He would have done himself many favours last night with a good, selfless performance where he more than competed and held up the ball against two of the better centre halves in the country. Dan is right however; we don't play a style which suits him. He's the type of player that looks like he would thrive on chances and so far in his tenure under Pulis I can't think of too many clear cut chances that have been provided his way. I gather Pulis wants his strikers who are industrious, will work hard and are relatively big in stature - Berahino isn't that man.

Having said all that, he has kept us up again with his goals - just like he did last season. There is no doubting his game has improved but I'm a bit cautious that his value will start to drop given the length remaining on his existing deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2015, 09:23:33 AM
The contract negotiations that are opening up amongst rumours of interest from every big club in the country (same agent as Sterling draw your own conclusions) are key. If he does not sign a new deal he will go this summer all that is in doubt is the fee.

In truth all the top clubs are probably reviewing their striking options but whether Saido is on their radar is anyone's guess. I also suspect that if there is a move to a champions league level club in the pipeline his agent is aware of  then Saido won't sign. If he does sign it will probably be because the "interest" that is in the papers is not as concrete as some would have us believe.

I am not that bothered either way. If he stays and Pulis tries to shoehorn into the number 10 role behind the big target man that isn't doing him nor the team any favours but he will chip in with some goals but nowhere near as many as he would get in a more advanced role. If he goes then Pulis will have the funds to get the players in that fit his system.

Ultimately I am not sure which outcome is better for the club there are potentially difficult decisions to be made either way but unfortunately without a new contract selling starts to become the default option
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 20, 2015, 10:39:59 AM
Just been named in the Provisional squad for the UEFA Under 21 Championship this Summer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on May 20, 2015, 11:04:02 AM
All of the very best Saido.
 8).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on May 20, 2015, 12:14:48 PM
Good luck to him, am I right in saying hes only a couple goals short of the Under 21 Goalscorers record?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2015, 03:23:31 PM
Given that both Sterling and Berahino have the same agent it does smell a little fishy that they are both being connected to moves for big money
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on May 20, 2015, 06:46:17 PM
If anyone does come in for him, i'd expect it to be in the next few weeks, otherwise they'll be risking his value rocketing up even further with a good tournament in the under 21 euro's. Generally when teams have signed players from the under 21's its been before the tournament in recent times anyway, Henderson and Jones come to mind.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on May 20, 2015, 11:12:28 PM
Think Saido's future says a lot about how we are going to play going forward under TP. I don't think it's a given that Pulis always wants a big striker up front. Pre match on Monday he said he thought Saido's runs and movement would cause Terry and Cahil more problems than a big centre forward would.
If today's reports are right about us upping the money in the Saido contract offer it means Pulis wants him to stay and he's not going to make big efforts to keep him unless he plans to use him as a front line striker and get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on May 21, 2015, 12:35:08 AM
Today's rumour is Man City this is getting silly now I think his agent just needs to give it a rest,

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on May 21, 2015, 12:46:45 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3088302/West-Brom-planning-big-deal-Saido-Berahino-make-young-Baggies-striker-one-club-s-earners.html

Yesterday's daily mail suggests we are going to offer him new terms of around 50k per week to put him up there with Lescott and Foster (Fletcher aswell I'm sure although the article doesn't mention him.) This summers going to be interesting that's for sure. My prediction is we will cash in on him and use the funds for TP to make his own Mark on the squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: robnewbold on May 21, 2015, 06:38:02 AM
 Outstanding against the Landlords on Monday evening and will be difficult to keep at the Albion. Good luck to him, wish i were in his shoes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on May 21, 2015, 07:09:52 AM
There comes a natural point when we will always struggle to hold onto any young English player who is interesting any of the "top 6" clubs.   The very best we could hope for is a "sale and loan back" for a season, but realistically we just have to secure the best possible sales price and move on. It's the law of the jungle and we know where we stand.

If we can get anywhere near to £20m for him then we can replace him with a very decent striker capable of scoring 15-20 goals per season at this level, but it will almost certainly need to be a player who is either out of contract or with just a year left on his contract as we cannot afford the combination of a transfer fee plus high wages.

It isn't doom and gloom if he goes - only if we fail to replace him.  We should just wish him the best and watch him blossom elsewhere,although I sure wish that he would get rid of that agent (the same as Raheem Sterling).  If Saido listens to the right advice he will be a massive star for the next 15 years.  If not, his career could take a very different path indeed




Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on May 21, 2015, 07:11:12 AM
If anyone does come in for him, i'd expect it to be in the next few weeks, otherwise they'll be risking his value rocketing up even further with a good tournament in the under 21 euro's. Generally when teams have signed players from the under 21's its been before the tournament in recent times anyway, Henderson and Jones come to mind.

Doesn't matter when they come in for him they will probably be dealing with JP who will drag the sale out as long as he can to maximise his return
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on May 21, 2015, 08:53:09 AM
There comes a natural point when we will always struggle to hold onto any young English player who is interesting any of the "top 6" clubs.   The very best we could hope for is a "sale and loan back" for a season, but realistically we just have to secure the best possible sales price and move on. It's the law of the jungle and we know where we stand.

If we can get anywhere near to £20m for him then we can replace him with a very decent striker capable of scoring 15-20 goals per season at this level, but it will almost certainly need to be a player who is either out of contract or with just a year left on his contract as we cannot afford the combination of a transfer fee plus high wages.

It isn't doom and gloom if he goes - only if we fail to replace him.  We should just wish him the best and watch him blossom elsewhere,although I sure wish that he would get rid of that agent (the same as Raheem Sterling).  If Saido listens to the right advice he will be a massive star for the next 15 years.  If not, his career could take a very different path indeed
Unless we signed Ings or Austin which is unlikely, it's not that easy to sign someone proven who we are confident will get the 15-20 goals in the prem.
Also, if he went to another club in the prem then a loan back isn't allowed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2015, 09:32:31 AM
Today's rumour is Man City this is getting silly now I think his agent just needs to give it a rest,


How much does his agent get if a transfer goes through? bring back the day a player would look after his own dealings
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DaveWBA on May 21, 2015, 09:50:34 AM
Sterling to City - Berahino to Liverpool.

Spurs could be interested if he partners Kane well in the U21's. They'll have a lot of funds freed up from binning the likes of Soldado, Adebayor and potentially Lamela.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on May 21, 2015, 10:29:19 AM
It's the old story - he'd almost certainly become a better player staying with us for a year and playing week in week out, having to slog his way through difficult games and having the odd barren patch, but he's a young man and he'll go if he's offered mega-bucks, even if he spends two thirds of his time on the bench for the next 2 seasons.  Anyone offers less than 25m for him, we just show them clips of his goals this season- Soton, Chelsea, Man U, they don't come much better than those for skill, instinct and confidence.

Then we can buy Crouch or Lambert...  :'(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 21, 2015, 10:38:16 AM
The very best we could hope for is a "sale and loan back" for a season, but realistically we just have to secure the best possible sales price and move on. It's the law of the jungle and we know where we stand.

Its not possible for a player to move to a club in the Premier League and then be loaned to another Premier League club in the same transfer window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on May 21, 2015, 10:39:37 AM
Sterling to City - Berahino to Liverpool.

Spurs could be interested if he partners Kane well in the U21's. They'll have a lot of funds freed up from binning the likes of Soldado, Adebayor and potentially Lamela.

Only fly in that particular ointment is that his agent has hacked off the powers that be at Anfield over his handling  of the Sterling situation. Unlikely to welcome paying him a bunch of money for the replacement.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on May 21, 2015, 10:45:35 AM
Good luck to him, am I right in saying hes only a couple goals short of the Under 21 Goalscorers record?

Yep. He has 10. Alan Shearer and Francis Jeffers are tied on 13.

A good tournament and he could be on top.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on May 21, 2015, 10:49:18 AM
Its not possible for a player to move to a club in the Premier League and then be loaned to another Premier League club in the same transfer window.

We could however arrange a transfer for a year down the line, i.e. everything is put in place now, but Saido only joins the new club next year. Because he is still under contract with us it could work, and because a contract will already be signed with the new club, he definitely will go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 21, 2015, 10:57:07 AM
We could however arrange a transfer for a year down the line, i.e. everything is put in place now, but Saido only joins the new club next year. Because he is still under contract with us it could work, and because a contract will already be signed with the new club, he definitely will go.

He would be moving in the summer window even if it was put in place now, first chance of loaning him back would be the January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on May 21, 2015, 11:02:06 AM
Yes but what if Saido never leaves WBA this window, but just arranges to leave next summer? That's what I mean
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 21, 2015, 11:03:30 AM
I still don't think that is possible to be honest.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on May 21, 2015, 12:16:26 PM
Yes but what is Saido never leaves WBA this window, but just arranges to leave next summer? That's what I mean
Strong possibility i would think,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on May 21, 2015, 01:30:44 PM
Yes but what if Saido never leaves WBA this window, but just arranges to leave next summer? That's what I mean

Well that's what we're trying to avoid isnt it?! His contract is up that summer so we need him to sign a new one or leave. Surely if he agrees to join a team next season then there won't be a fee or new contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on May 21, 2015, 01:35:28 PM
Well that's what we're trying to avoid isnt it?! His contract is up that summer so we need him to sign a new one or leave. Surely if he agrees to join a team next season then there won't be a fee or new contract.

Thats what makes me think we will sell for 15/20 million this summer  :( to be honest i would rather keep him for another year then let him go for free as i doubt it would affect our transfer dealings much but i know a football club/ business would never entertain the idea and rightly so to be fair from there perspective.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on May 21, 2015, 02:07:14 PM
Yes but what if Saido never leaves WBA this window, but just arranges to leave next summer? That's what I mean

Although not technically possible - it does happen. Look at Ronaldo to Real or Suarez to Barcelona, they got one more season out of them but everyone knew they were off the next year.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Trigger on May 21, 2015, 07:16:10 PM
Tell man city, 20 mil plus Richards haha  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on May 21, 2015, 07:47:00 PM
Tell man city, 20 mil plus Richards haha  ;D

It's not up to city he is a free agent this summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on May 21, 2015, 10:29:03 PM
Doesn't matter when they come in for him they will probably be dealing with JP who will drag the sale out as long as he can to maximise his return

Unless Peace sells up before any deal is done!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on May 22, 2015, 06:24:00 AM
Unless Peace sells up before any deal is done!!

It would be in the interest of any new buyer to get JP to stay on in some capacity, even as Chairman.
I would expect that JP would at least stay on for a transition period to oversee any outstanding issues.
I think this could well be an outstanding issue.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on May 22, 2015, 06:26:04 AM
Looks like Berahino's agent is indeed making a name (not a good one) for himself, telling Liverpool that Sterling wouldn't sign for them even if they offered £900k per week.
Nice fella!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on May 22, 2015, 10:56:53 AM
It would be in the interest of any new buyer to get JP to stay on in some capacity, even as Chairman.
I would expect that JP would at least stay on for a transition period to oversee any outstanding issues.
I think this could well be an outstanding issue.

Any new owners would be a fool not to try and keep JP on in a non executive capacity.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on May 22, 2015, 11:08:39 AM
I guess it would depend if A) he wants to stay on, and B) The new owner are not fools!  :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on May 22, 2015, 01:16:11 PM
the new owners might not want to sell saido,they might be able to afford to keep him! fingers crossed its a funny old game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on May 22, 2015, 02:58:31 PM
Anyone seen Pulis' press conference?

Basically says that we won't stop Saido from leaving for a Top 4 club, if the money is right, but he (TP) feels that he hasn't finished his development here and would be delighted if he stays.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on May 22, 2015, 03:56:39 PM
Yes, watched the video earlier.
He'll go if somebody comes in for him but only if the price is right.
No real change.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 22, 2015, 04:03:02 PM
Looks like Berahino's agent is indeed making a name (not a good one) for himself, telling Liverpool that Sterling wouldn't sign for them even if they offered £900k per week.
Nice fella!

He's most likely the source of the Man City link. Doesn't seem like one of the few good agents out there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on May 22, 2015, 07:52:30 PM
There was an interesting article in the Guardian on Ward http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/21/aidy-ward-raheem-sterling-liverpool-agent

I can't see them buying Saido if that clown is involved and I'd imagine many other clubs are now wary that they're signing not just the player but his agents ego too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on May 22, 2015, 09:03:01 PM
I think TP's comments are fair enough today, if a top 4 team comes in then he can go for the right money, better than selling to a rival.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 22, 2015, 09:26:30 PM
I think TP's comments are fair enough today, if a top 4 team comes in then he can go for the right money, better than selling to a rival.

I sort of agree with it, but I also enjoyed the comments from Liverpool today regarding Stirling.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on May 23, 2015, 09:23:45 AM
I sort of agree with it, but I also enjoyed the comments from Liverpool today regarding Stirling.

Yup, but you might as well get some wedge, Stirlings agent is the same as Bera's hence why he's had all the rubbish this season too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggy nerd on May 23, 2015, 10:05:38 AM
After the final game against Arsenal, I don't think it will be long before the transfer request comes in. I have no faith that this agent will advise him in the right manner. The best thing would be for him to score goals here for a couple more years then get the big move, nobody could complain. Unfortunately I fear a big fuss all through the summer which we could do without.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on May 23, 2015, 11:15:42 AM
Knowing his agent is also Sterling's kind of makes up my mind that there will be some big todo all summer and then he we join Man City for 25m and play less than 10 games all next season.

Id like to think he cares about his career and that if he stays and scores goals for us he knows there is a huge chance he will make the full england squad for the next tournament.

I rate Berahino but if he joins one of the big boys now its quite simple money motivated and agent motivated and his career will never take off
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on May 23, 2015, 11:25:50 AM
Wouldn't it just be great to head onto newsnow and see the headline "Berahino sacks agent?" That would be refreshing. I just think the fact he hasn't signed a new contract yet and there's been constant rumours followed up by Saido himself never ruling it out means he'll be off.

But I would find it so refreshing to see him sack an agent and sign a new deal - deciding to develop his career here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 23, 2015, 11:26:33 AM
Tony Pulis in my view has said all the right things to the press in the last few days with regards to Berahino, clear he still has some developing to do and I do believe this is the place to do it for at least another season.

I know he's had his issues and a few false dawns when it comes to sorting himself out away from football but he does appear to have turned a corner, if a top 4 side came in for big money I think I could genuinely wish him well as long as he handles himself right during the negotiations and doesn't do something silly to try and force a move through like his agent has done with Sterling.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 23, 2015, 11:34:00 AM
Wouldn't it just be great to head onto newsnow and see the headline "Berahino sacks agent?" That would be refreshing. I just think the fact he hasn't signed a new contract yet and there's been constant rumours followed up by Saido himself never ruling it out means he'll be off.

But I would find it so refreshing to see him sack an agent and sign a new deal - deciding to develop his career here.

I actually think they will wait and see what develops over the summer and if no move looks likely I can see him signing a new deal with an agreement that we won't stand in his way the next season if a move presents itself potentially with the help of a minimum fee release clause.

His agent has handled things very badly for Sterling but Berahino is a different client and may be handled differently, that is the hope anyway. I was under the impression it was the club that put talks of a new deal on hold due to things going on off the pitch so we may have ourselves to blame due to the delay if he doesn't sign one now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on May 23, 2015, 02:51:50 PM
We can never be sure what sort of relationship players have with their agent. In most cases fans are quite happy to paint an agent as a master puppeteer manipulating his young charges into situations which maximise their short term earnings rather than their long term career prospects.

However the player despite his youth might be perfectly able to make his own decisions and be capable of seeing the relative benefits of the choices that are in front of him. Unfortunately even without the input from an agent  the big move is always tempting because in all fairness a player may get but one chance.

   






Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on May 23, 2015, 04:18:09 PM
We can never be sure what sort of relationship players have with their agent. In most cases fans are quite happy to paint an agent as a master puppeteer manipulating his young charges into situations which maximise their short term earnings rather than their long term career prospects.

However the player despite his youth might be perfectly able to make his own decisions and be capable of seeing the relative benefits of the choices that are in front of him. Unfortunately even without the input from an agent  the big move is always tempting because in all fairness a player may get but one chance.

   

Lewis hamilton just negotiated is own 100 million deal
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 23, 2015, 05:19:56 PM
Can someone tell me what "thinking about his career means"?

If we agree that we go to work so we can have a decent life, cant we also agree that if someone comes in and offers him 5x what is wage is then that is a "good career choice" , very easy for others to want to advise him on what THEY would like , but in the same shoes you would all be off..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on May 23, 2015, 05:32:27 PM
Can someone tell me what "thinking about his career means"?

If we agree that we go to work so we can have a decent life, cant we also agree that if someone comes in and offers him 5x what is wage is then that is a "good career choice" , very easy for others to want to advise him on what THEY would like , but in the same shoes you would all be off..

You are correct, but a career choice based on money and not regular playing time is a bad career choice. Don't get me wrong you are correct if someone offered me 4 or 5x my current wage of course I would be off...stupid not to.

It depends on your choice of do you want to get paid or get played.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 23, 2015, 06:42:57 PM
Can someone tell me what "thinking about his career "?means

At the moment he's a talented kid with a good season behind him. Wait 12 months and he'll (hopefully) be a good kid with 2 good seasons, 160 or so pro  games goals and about 60 goals (given that he has 41 from 120 so far).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saido_Berahino

He's be better off signing an improved contract with us, that has a release clause starting next summer for £25m+ to a top 4 team. Then everyone wins.

He he is short sighted and leaves now he'll get his 5 year £40k contract at Man City, do nothing, the same as Rodwell or Sinclair or any number of other ones, go out on loan, eventually sign for West Ham or someone, but never hit the heights he could do. Playing games and getting goals is 100% more important right now for him, or at l;east it should be.

Plus, if he takes "lower" paid contract, in an effort to actually play for the next 2 or 3 years, then so what? He'll earn £8mill over 5 years, rather than £11mill.... At that level does it honestly matter?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on May 25, 2015, 06:22:26 PM
Might be gone I think.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on May 25, 2015, 07:53:01 PM
Might be gone I think.

Just a hunch or heard something on the grapevine?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on May 25, 2015, 09:11:16 PM
Just a hunch or heard something on the grapevine?
Just a feeling mate could be wrong Hope I'm wrong just think there could be more drama to unfold.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 26, 2015, 01:30:35 PM
I still think Saido will be here in September.

He will want a move, but won't accept anything less than a top club. We might want to get shot, but won't accept less than £20m. The top clubs won't want to pay that for a player who is still hit and miss.

He'll end up staying here, signing a new deal so that our transfer fee is unaffected, and the club will herald it as a triumph to have kept hold of an exciting young talent.

He'll then move on in August 2016 for either £20m to a decent club (or about £12-14 million to a Newcastle or Everton if he has a bad season).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on May 26, 2015, 02:30:22 PM
I think realistically he'll only move to a top 6 club, so that leaves:

Chelsea - need to replace Drogba but I doubt they'd go for Saido
Man City - need English players but Saido wouldn't get ahead of Aguero, Dzeko or Bony. Jovetic might be off.
Arsenal - Giroud, Welbeck...they might want a third striker though Sanchez and Walcott can play that role too. Think they'd rather take from their own academy
Man United - Got rid of Falcao, getting rid of RVP. Saido is a United fan but with such a big war chest I'd think they'd look elsewhere
Tottenham - Soldado has been a dud. Where's Adebayor gone? Kane and Berahino would work well together. Most likely in my opinion.
Liverpool - Losing Sterling, Balotelli has been a dud. Sturridge is their no.1 but hasnt' been fit this season. Maybe could move but same agent so maybe that will tarnish things?
(Southampton - Pelle had a good start to the season, but fizzled out. Maybe could see this happening)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on May 26, 2015, 02:48:25 PM
Everton could be added - reported to be looking for another striker, though I can't see them stretching to £20m so soon after the £28m for Lakaku.

Also Ings will be going to one of these as he's out of contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on May 26, 2015, 06:18:00 PM
I think realistically he'll only move to a top 6 club, so that leaves:

Chelsea - need to replace Drogba but I doubt they'd go for Saido
Man City - need English players but Saido wouldn't get ahead of Aguero, Dzeko or Bony. Jovetic might be off.
Arsenal - Giroud, Welbeck...they might want a third striker though Sanchez and Walcott can play that role too. Think they'd rather take from their own academy
Man United - Got rid of Falcao, getting rid of RVP. Saido is a United fan but with such a big war chest I'd think they'd look elsewhere
Tottenham - Soldado has been a dud. Where's Adebayor gone? Kane and Berahino would work well together. Most likely in my opinion.
Liverpool - Losing Sterling, Balotelli has been a dud. Sturridge is their no.1 but hasnt' been fit this season. Maybe could move but same agent so maybe that will tarnish things?
(Southampton - Pelle had a good start to the season, but fizzled out. Maybe could see this happening)

I can see him going to any of the above and being the third or fourth choice striker with the exception of Southampton or Spurs. Only Man U Chelsea or City will spend £20m on that player Liverpool can't and Arsenal won't.

Unfortunately we won't know until those clubs start signing players unless of course he signs a new contract and we will then know the interest was largely fabricated.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on May 26, 2015, 09:09:38 PM

Also Ings will be going to one of these as he's out of contract.

I would think Austin would also be available for less than Saido, hopefully leaving him to enjoy his football with us rather than getting his head turned.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on May 26, 2015, 10:24:54 PM
I would think Austin would also be available for less than Saido, hopefully leaving him to enjoy his football with us rather than getting his head turned.
True - I hope so. Saido has the advantage of being able to slot in out wide and in the No 10 role which I'm not sure Ings or particularly Austin would be able to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on May 26, 2015, 10:47:51 PM
He certainly won't be going to a top club if he went to Southampton would he - a good season but generally just one of the bottom 12/13 who will be fighting to avoid the drop season after season.
I think that Spurs might be the only ones who might be interested in throwing cash needed for him. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on May 26, 2015, 11:04:31 PM
Big worry for me if he goes. Who realistically will provide our goals next season? Big vic will stay, adil nabi will be expected to perform, and i think Ideye will be gone. We need another big roll of the dice and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: robnewbold on May 27, 2015, 03:51:46 AM
Wouldnt include Liverpool as a top 6 Club now, descending fast.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on May 27, 2015, 07:48:06 AM
Wouldn't be that surprised if one of the Manchester clubs came in for him. Man City may look to strengthen their underbelly...they tend to go off the boil when Aguero has his usual couple of injuries per season.

Thing that concerns me is how short this summer's break is. We are now 70 days away from the first prem games of the new season. Whether Saido stays or goes will inevitably have a huge impact on what business we do this summer and what funds are available. Would be a boost to get it sorted one way or the other in the next couple of weeks...may not happen though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on May 27, 2015, 09:01:01 AM
I am not fretting on whether he stays or goes but it is pivotal to our summer. Assuming he goes it is not the end of the world. Firstly Pulisball does not rely heavily on scoring goals so the old " where are the goals going to come from? cliche barely applies. Secondly if he does go he will be replaced his replacement might not bag 14 goals but 10 would be enough. Thirdly  Ideye is a capable footballer as he has shown at times although he might not be to TP's liking and if he moves on he will be replaced as will Anichebe.

While the transfer saga might drag on the club will know whether he is staying or going quite quickly because he will either sign a new deal or he won't probably before he goes to the under 21 tournament.

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on May 27, 2015, 09:06:49 AM
I am not fretting on whether he stays or goes but it is pivotal to our summer. Assuming he goes it is not the end of the world. Firstly Pulisball does not rely heavily on scoring goals so the old " where are the goals going to come from? cliche barely applies. Secondly if he does go he will be replaced his replacement might not bag 14 goals but 10 would be enough. Thirdly  Ideye is a capable footballer as he has shown at times although he might not be to TP's liking and if he moves on he will be replaced as will Anichebe.

While the transfer saga might drag on the club will know whether he is staying or going quite quickly because he will either sign a new deal or he won't probably before he goes to the under 21 tournament.

 

Another good point on this topic, As sad as i will be to see him go will most of our summer activity be built around a solid defence ? And target men in which case we wouldn't need to fill hes goals. If that is the case the fans hoping for a top 10 finish could also have a rethink. Hopefully a couple of tricky wingers and a young hungry striker will be brought in  :-X.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 29, 2015, 04:54:26 PM
Named Players Player of the Year, well deserved in my opinion
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on May 29, 2015, 04:59:23 PM
Well done Saido!

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-striker-saido-berahino-9355776?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on May 29, 2015, 05:03:51 PM
Quite bizarre he didn't win the supporters too, by far our most important player this past year I think. Had his ups and downs but he's undoubtedly a wonderful talent. You only had to look at our goal of the season video to see his overall quality. Hopefully a good tournament at the under 21's for him now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on May 29, 2015, 08:14:08 PM
Fans are a fickle lot but this award from his team mates is a bit special.

Good on him  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on May 29, 2015, 08:15:25 PM
Everton could be added - reported to be looking for another striker, though I can't see them stretching to £20m so soon after the £28m for Lakaku.

Also Ings will be going to one of these as he's out of contract.

Straight swap for Lukaku...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on May 29, 2015, 09:54:30 PM
Straight swap for Lukaku...

I'm a big big fan of Lukaku & would love to see him back at our club but if it's a straight choice between him our Saido its Saido every time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on May 30, 2015, 09:22:11 AM
I'm a big big fan of Lukaku & would love to see him back at our club but if it's a straight choice between him our Saido its Saido every time.

Ability wise I'd say Berahino should ultimately turn out the better of the two (whether he will or not depends on him and his choices), but for us and the way we play Lukaku would be a far more effective choice than Saido. I'd certainly take him in a straight swap, I doubt Everton would go for that given the perceived risk in signing Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 30, 2015, 11:29:19 AM
Quite bizarre he didn't win the supporters too, by far our most important player this past year I think. Had his ups and downs but he's undoubtedly a wonderful talent. You only had to look at our goal of the season video to see his overall quality. Hopefully a good tournament at the under 21's for him now.

I think its a tough one, supporters often focus on what is happening at that time and his goals had dried up after a lightening start to the season whereas Morrison who was average at best for the first couple of months of the season was outstanding towards the end so he ended up getting the votes. There are also those fans that wouldn't vote for him due to his few indiscretions away from pitch, not saying its right or wrong but there are some out there that would have kept that in mind.

In fairness Saido will possibly see this award voted by the other players as better than a fan voted system as it shows how important his colleagues think he has been and when he has had reported issues with a few of them its refreshing to see.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 01, 2015, 10:02:37 AM
Everton and the Toon linked with him today
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on June 01, 2015, 11:12:35 AM
Everton and the Toon linked with him today

That would be a sideways step IMO, we should be looking to be above both of those if we have true ambition
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on June 01, 2015, 12:05:19 PM
Everton and the Toon linked with him today

I'd be amazed and disappointed if he goes to a club like that.

Especially Newcastle. They're a total shambles 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 01, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
I'd be amazed and disappointed if he goes to a club like that.

Especially Newcastle. They're a total shambles

Don't care where he goes as long as we get more than £25 million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on June 01, 2015, 01:56:03 PM
I'd be very disappointed if he chose (and we allowed him) to go to Southampton etc. The club have said they'd only sell him to a top four club and that seems reasonable.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on June 01, 2015, 02:28:58 PM
Just saying to a few friends last night , that he scored more than lukaku last year and benteke . Lukaku went for 28 million and villa reportedly want 32 million for benteke . So that's the going rate for a premier league striker .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on June 01, 2015, 02:50:02 PM
Just saying to a few friends last night , that he scored more than lukaku last year and benteke . Lukaku went for 28 million and villa reportedly want 32 million for benteke . So that's the going rate for a premier league striker .

I rate Berahino, I don't think he gets the credit he deserves at times and people seem to jump on his back quite quickly.... that said, I would swap him for Benteke or Lukaku.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on June 01, 2015, 03:10:27 PM
Don't care where he goes as long as we get more than £25 million.
we should be able to get at least six six foot five players with that kind of money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 01, 2015, 03:14:16 PM
we should be able to get at least six six foot five players with that kind of money.


Look forward to lots of set peices next season then
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on June 01, 2015, 03:40:28 PM
Firstly he doesn't need to be "linked with" many more Premier League Clubs before he has the complete set!!   

My guess is our best offer is on the table and his agent is casting around for potential better offers. I doubt a team outside the top six will be able to meet our likely fee and his wages. Although I was surprised Everton went to £28m for Lukkau last year.

Ultimately if he is not prepared to sign a new deal then his sale becomes highly likely but to get a price north of £20m then there has to be interest from one of the top 6. If Newcastle and Southampton were the only options and the money on offer was no more than £15m then I would be very tempted to tough it out but a disinterested and sulking Saido is not going to be much of an asset.

This is not an easy call.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on June 01, 2015, 04:19:37 PM
I have a feeling he could end up at Villa as a replacement for Benteke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 01, 2015, 04:20:54 PM
I have a feeling he could end up at Villa as a replacement for Benteke.


never in a million years
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on June 01, 2015, 04:23:30 PM

never in a million years
I hope you are right, but am worried he might paint himself into a corner on the promise of a top 4 club and when that doesn't materialise his agent will hawk him out to anyone with a bit of cash.
Do you say never because we wouldn't sell to Villa or he wouldn't go to Villa?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 01, 2015, 04:34:21 PM
I hope you are right, but am worried he might paint himself into a corner on the promise of a top 4 club and when that doesn't materialise his agent will hawk him out to anyone with a bit of cash.
Do you say never because we wouldn't sell to Villa or he wouldn't go to Villa?


If they offered our asking price then yes i am sure the club would accept but i doubt they match his ambition
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on June 01, 2015, 06:12:00 PM
Players blather on about ambition because they think it is more palatable than to just coming out and saying  I want more money. In general the clubs that are competing for trophies pay the biggest wages so whilst a move is painted as being about footballing reasons it is also fairly well rewarded.

A move to another club outside the top 6 would suite Berahino financially. Firstly he might squeeze £60k a week out of them and bare in mind he would probably do well to get more than that anywhere given that he is currently earning £14k a week. Secondly provided he does not have to put in a transfer request to get the move he will get a hefty signing on fee as part of the deal. Thirdly unlike a move to the top 6 club he probably continues to get game time and in two years time if all goes well he will get another move and then get another signing on fee plus a £100k+ a week.

Almost regardless of what we offer him he (and his agent) will be better off moving. Making him put a formal transfer request is about the only card we have left to play once our best offer has been rejected.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on June 17, 2015, 10:01:16 AM
Now that Man City have bid a staggering £40m for Raheem Sterling, I can see Liverpool moving up the queue of clubs who are trying to entice Berahino away from The Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 17, 2015, 10:05:35 AM
Now that Man City have bid a staggering £40m for Raheem Sterling, I can see Liverpool moving up the queue of clubs who are trying to entice Berahino away from The Hawthorns.

After all the trouble the agent the two players share has caused Liverpool I'm not too certain they will want to line his pockets even more so quickly. Also Liverpool will hold out for more than that, they know City are desperate to get home grown players in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on June 17, 2015, 11:06:08 AM
Now that Man City have bid a staggering £40m for Raheem Sterling, I can see Liverpool moving up the queue of clubs who are trying to entice Berahino away from The Hawthorns.

not while his agent stays the same, can't see Liverpool ever wanting to deal with him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on June 17, 2015, 11:07:35 AM
Now that Man City have bid a staggering £40m for Raheem Sterling, I can see Liverpool moving up the queue of clubs who are trying to entice Berahino away from The Hawthorns.

After signing Ings Liverpool need a top quality signing if they have ambitions of a top 4 finish.

I can't see him leaving this summer to be honest. He's not good enough for the big boys yet and I can't see him jumping ship to an Everton or Newcastle even if they could afford him. I hope he stays and we compliment him with a 'Crouch' type target man for him to feed off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Webby on June 17, 2015, 12:01:06 PM
If Sterling is £40/50m (which quite frankly is insane) no way should we be taking less than £25m for Saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MBWBA on June 17, 2015, 03:31:41 PM
40/50 mil for a player who's finishing is very poor is crazy! If Saido had played in the Liverpool team this season he would have bagged a lot more goals. Therefore I agree that he is worth at least 25 mil plus!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on June 18, 2015, 12:16:23 AM
The more the window slowly develops, the more I think we will keep Saido for another season, or at least until January.
I believe Liverpool chose the 'cheap option' with Ings who would be about 1/4th as cheap as Berahino, and I cannot see them getting another young, English striker in this window (surely they will go for a more experienced player and get rid of Lambert/Balotelli)
Realistically that leaves Arsenal, Man Utd and Tottenham. I believe Arsenal aren't interested as there's been absolutely no links with Arsenal, whose striker situation seems fairly solved anyway - and then there's Man Utd and Spurs.
Obviously these two could get him, but again I think they will go for others, especially with the development of Kane - I assume like Liverpool, Spurs will go after more of a 'safe bet' than a pricey youngster (Berahino).

So I think it's down to Man Utd as his most realistic destination - and I still feel they will make a big, 'proven' signing upfront such as Benzema or someone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 18, 2015, 09:32:42 AM
The more the window slowly develops, the more I think we will keep Saido for another season, or at least until January.
I believe Liverpool chose the 'cheap option' with Ings who would be about 1/4th as cheap as Berahino, and I cannot see them getting another young, English striker in this window (surely they will go for a more experienced player and get rid of Lambert/Balotelli)
Realistically that leaves Arsenal, Man Utd and Tottenham. I believe Arsenal aren't interested as there's been absolutely no links with Arsenal, whose striker situation seems fairly solved anyway - and then there's Man Utd and Spurs.
Obviously these two could get him, but again I think they will go for others, especially with the development of Kane - I assume like Liverpool, Spurs will go after more of a 'safe bet' than a pricey youngster (Berahino).

So I think it's down to Man Utd as his most realistic destination - and I still feel they will make a big, 'proven' signing upfront such as Benzema or someone.

I think you should include Man City in your list too. They are known be wanting to up their homegrown quota and if as expected they allow Dzeko and Jovetic to leave, they may well come in for Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on June 18, 2015, 12:19:58 PM
Just heard he's had to come home from the U21's with a knee injury.

Feel really sorry for the lad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on June 18, 2015, 12:24:29 PM
Big shame....and a blow for them. They have Kane and Ings but Saido was used wide a fair bit for the U21's also,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dubya BA on June 18, 2015, 12:29:57 PM
Disappointing for Saido and selfishly a bit worried for us although I don't know how bad it is yet
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on June 18, 2015, 12:44:31 PM
Bad for him, good for us.

The early murmurings are that his injury isn't too bad, which is a positive.

If he had gone on and had a stormer of a tournament, banging the goals in left right and centre - beating Alan Shearer's U21 goal record in the process, it would have been nigh on impossible to keep hold of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on June 18, 2015, 12:51:25 PM
Bad for him, good for us.

The early murmurings are that his injury isn't too bad, which is a positive.

If he had gone on and had a stormer of a tournament, banging the goals in left right and centre - beating Alan Shearer's U21 goal record in the process, it would have been nigh on impossible to keep hold of him.

Not if misses a big chunk of pre-season which could be likely. We may start the season with Ideye and Anichebe as our only forwards perish the thought.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on June 18, 2015, 01:11:41 PM
Gutted for the lad tbh, hoping he would have impressed at the tournament.

Hopefully its nothing to serious and he can have a rest before pre season starts.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on June 18, 2015, 01:29:41 PM
 some rumour saying it could be 9 month job :( which i assume means cruciate injury. I have a feeling its got to be serious if it was just a knock i doubt whether they would have sent home and called up a replacement so quickly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on June 18, 2015, 01:43:04 PM
some rumour saying it could be 9 month job :( which i assume means cruciate injury. I have a feeling its got to be serious if it was just a knock i doubt whether they would have sent home and called up a replacement so quickly.

When the club doctor uses the words recovery and rehabilitation then that suggests to me it could be a serious injury.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on June 18, 2015, 01:47:35 PM
I hope its not a bad injury, he has had a previous knee injury IIRC that kept him out for a while, hope its not the same one!

What it does mean is he won't be on the move anytime soon
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on June 18, 2015, 01:53:28 PM
When the club doctor uses the words recovery and rehabilitation then that suggests to me it could be a serious injury.

He also said he was hopeful that the injury isn't too serious.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bosh on June 18, 2015, 01:54:32 PM
I believe that a U21 squad player could only be replaced due to injury before the tournament starts. 

So rather than having someone who would miss at least one game, it would make sense to the England setup to bring in a fresh fit player who could be called upon.

Hopefully, it is just a minor knock and a few more weeks rest before the pre-season starts.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on June 18, 2015, 01:56:29 PM
Really feel for the lad you dont get many chances to break records for England's .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Big Al on June 18, 2015, 02:03:25 PM
Will be a big blow for him as he seemed to be really up for the tournament. Let's hope it is not his anterior cruciate and only a minor injury for his and the clubs sake.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 18, 2015, 04:18:44 PM
Bad news all round, any tiype of decent performance could have added up to £10 million onto his already inflated value, and my interest in the tournament has now departed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on June 18, 2015, 04:21:19 PM
Concussion being bandied around.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 18, 2015, 04:23:48 PM
Concussion being bandied around.
Thought that was John Stones.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on June 18, 2015, 04:28:08 PM
Thought that was John Stones.

Possibly. I've just Berahinos pictures with 'concussion' underneath it on facebook.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hayward1984 on June 18, 2015, 05:31:50 PM
It's a knee injury.

John Stones has concussion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on June 18, 2015, 05:43:05 PM
When do you reckon we will hear about the full extent tomorrow ? Or Monday now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on June 18, 2015, 07:27:26 PM
 Southgate has just said Saidos injury looks like a 3 week job.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on June 18, 2015, 07:33:09 PM
Great news.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 18, 2015, 09:38:13 PM
Will be good if its only a few weeks out for him but I do really feel for him missing the tournament. He genuinely seemed to want to go and do well for England and I believe he's going to be too old for the Under 21's after this tournament so he misses out on the potential goal scoring record.

ABevington ‏@ABevington11  3h3 hours ago
@GarethSouthgate says he's had 2 players in tears in past 24 hours over missing out on U21s (Berahino & Stones) - shows much they care.

Refreshing to see lads actually wanting to play in these tournaments and being upset at missing out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on June 18, 2015, 10:26:32 PM
Good for us, feel selfish saying that but thinking ahead to next season it will be much more beneficial for him to have a rest over the summer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggiesFacts on June 18, 2015, 10:32:26 PM
When the club doctor uses the words recovery and rehabilitation then that suggests to me it could be a serious injury.

Even if injured for a short period there is a recovery and rehabilitation period. Turns out it's about three weeks anyway so things could be a lot worse. Who's saying he'll be our player come September anyway!?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on June 19, 2015, 01:03:12 AM
I maybe being pessimistic, but I do have a concern over this injury. I'm probably reading too much into it, but the lack of information about the injury worries me. I really do hope I'm wrong and it's sorted quickly and he starts the season for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on June 19, 2015, 08:08:27 AM
I maybe being pessimistic, but I do have a concern over this injury. I'm probably reading too much into it, but the lack of information about the injury worries me. I really do hope I'm wrong and it's sorted quickly and he starts the season for us.
Southgate said it will take around 3 weeks, Perfect for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on June 19, 2015, 11:50:36 AM
I maybe being pessimistic, but I do have a concern over this injury. I'm probably reading too much into it, but the lack of information about the injury worries me. I really do hope I'm wrong and it's sorted quickly and he starts the season for us.
I suspect we'll find out more when he's back and the clubs medical team have had a good look at him.
Shame for the lad, hopefully, not for us though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on June 20, 2015, 10:54:19 PM
I've not been worried about losing Saido as I didn't think it would happen however with betting suspended on Austin to West Ham I can see the sides that missed out getting twitchy and we might be on the receiving end of an offer too good to refuse!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on June 21, 2015, 06:38:56 AM
His value is now up to £30m according to the Star  ;D, I bet JP is wringing his hands as we speak

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/449291/EXCLUSIVE-West-Brom-30m-Arsenal-Liverpool-Man-City-Saido-Berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on June 21, 2015, 06:49:59 AM
I think that Fletcher has had a calming influence on Berahino, seems to have told him to be patient and that he is better off developing where he is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on June 21, 2015, 08:54:04 AM
Not that I believe a word of it... but Lennon, Townsend + cash for super Saido would be too good to turn down (assumining cash figure is half decent). The sticking point is that I cant see Townsend and particularly Lennon wanting to come to the Hawthorns. Wages for these two would also be significantly higher than making Saido our top earner.


On a seperate point; with Man City desperate for English players to meet their domestic quota I can see them turning to Berahino and having to paying well over the odds - it would be a terrible more for him though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on June 21, 2015, 08:57:51 AM
I didn't think Lennon played for Spurs anymore, or is he on loan?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on June 21, 2015, 09:00:42 AM
I didn't think Lennon played for Spurs anymore, or is he on loan?

Was on loan at Everton for 2nd half of last season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SirTonyM on June 21, 2015, 06:41:13 PM
Berahino's price must be going up with him being injured. Having watched the u21s game. If Kane and Ings are valued so highly how much is Saido worth?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on June 21, 2015, 06:47:21 PM
If the Albion can hold on to him for another season with a new contract signed then the buy out clause would be near 40 million plus
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on June 21, 2015, 07:08:50 PM
If the Albion can hold on to him for another season with a new contract signed then the buy out clause would be near 40 million plus

Doubt it. He's in a fairly strong position so he wont sign anything with a 40m clause in because it could price him out of a move. If he signs, expect a clause of around £25m tops.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on June 22, 2015, 10:17:26 AM
Doubt it. He's in a fairly strong position so he wont sign anything with a 40m clause in because it could price him out of a move. If he signs, expect a clause of around £25m tops.
next season will be the first with the new Prem deal with sky and bt so a buy out of 40 million plus wouldn't be reasonable
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on June 22, 2015, 10:44:20 AM
If the Albion can hold on to him for another season with a new contract signed then the buy out clause would be near 40 million plus

Can't see his agent signing up for that one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on June 22, 2015, 10:47:00 AM
Speculation that Arsenal are interested in Saido and the fee is going up, it's now £30m.

I never cease to be amazed by some jurno's creative(?) imagination
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on June 24, 2015, 10:59:02 AM
Good news!

Berahino should be fit again by late July

SAIDO Berahino is on target to be fit for the start of the season after scans revealed no major damage to his right knee.


Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-berahino-knee-injury-england-u21-2504711.aspx#HeREGWHieVOYqrZf.99
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on June 24, 2015, 11:04:11 AM
That's a relief.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on June 24, 2015, 11:09:03 AM
good news gives him a good rest to something which he may of needed same as all youngsters.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on July 08, 2015, 10:55:13 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3154081/Saido-Berahino-splits-Raheem-Sterling-s-controversial-agent-Aidy-Ward-West-Brom-star-becoms-disillusioned.html

Berahino parts ways with agent Aidy Ward. Good lad. Wonder if Pulis had any influence on it? He spoke a few times about the people surrounding Berahino in press conferences.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sammyg on July 08, 2015, 11:05:53 PM
Great news!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 08, 2015, 11:24:32 PM
This is a positive development Ward seems to be an entirely malignant influence. Hopefully he will sign with someone who goes about their business in a low key manner. Obviously any agent has to get the best deal for his client but to engineer a move in the way Sterling has is bad for all concerned.     
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on July 08, 2015, 11:27:03 PM
This is a positive development Ward seems to be an entirely malignant influence. Hopefully he will sign with someone who goes about their business in a low key manner. Obviously any agent has to get the best deal for his client but to engineer a move in the way Sterling has is bad for all concerned.   

Yes hopefully. An interesting point I seen on Twitter was it could now open up a move to Liverpool.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on July 08, 2015, 11:29:05 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3154081/Saido-Berahino-splits-Raheem-Sterling-s-controversial-agent-Aidy-Ward-West-Brom-star-becoms-disillusioned.html

Berahino parts ways with agent Aidy Ward. Good lad. Wonder if Pulis had any influence on it? He spoke a few times about the people surrounding Berahino in press conferences.

interesting....  I was told this about two weeks ago by someone I thought was just "talking to impress" at the pub.

Basically he said that there is a "gentleman's agreement" by the Owners/Chairman of most of the Top Premier clubs, to just not talk to Ward (or any of his players).
It isn't a permanent thing but a demonstration that he doesn't actually hold all the cards....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on July 08, 2015, 11:29:28 PM
Not being involved with this guy can surely only be a good thing for Saido looking at the way this agent has gone about the Sterling stuff. Berahino will get his move all in good time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on July 09, 2015, 05:01:27 AM
Well done son.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 09, 2015, 06:25:20 AM
Well done son.

It could be a smart move on his side if he wants to engineer a move to Liverpool.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on July 09, 2015, 08:45:05 AM
haven't we reopened contract talks with Saido ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 09, 2015, 09:03:08 AM
A good move by Berahino. Perhaps Regis could be his agent?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ABaggie on July 09, 2015, 11:05:31 AM
interesting....  I was told this about two weeks ago by someone I thought was just "talking to impress" at the pub.

Basically he said that there is a "gentleman's agreement" by the Owners/Chairman of most of the Top Premier clubs, to just not talk to Ward (or any of his players).
It isn't a permanent thing but a demonstration that he doesn't actually hold all the cards....

That explains it then. Saido has simply realised that he won't get the move he wants if no one will talk to his agent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on July 09, 2015, 11:32:09 AM
I hope its a good thing, the downside is the liverpool angle.  :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on July 09, 2015, 11:49:43 AM
He is so smart, I think he will sign a new deal with the club very soon. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Watton...! on July 09, 2015, 12:23:33 PM
I dont think anyone on here would begrudge him a move to a top 6 club, i just dont want him to leave us with no replacement. he will get his move, just hope we get another season out of him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Tipton Baggie on July 09, 2015, 01:38:10 PM
I thought he'd be gone in Jan to be honest. Think another season at B71 is on the cards. Besides, what top 6 club would want him for that much money?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on July 09, 2015, 01:53:52 PM
Great move by Saido. The quicker we stand up to 'vermin' like Ward the better.

Some agents [not all] are everything that is rotten in this game..........

At least Dick Turpin wore a mask.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 09, 2015, 01:57:22 PM
Great move by Saido. The quicker we stand up to 'vermin' like Ward the better.

Some agents [not all] are everything that is rotten in this game..........

At least Dick Turpin wore a mask.

hes still learning his trade, hopfully pulis can point this out, his career will be better served bagging another 50-100 goals and maturing as a player with us rather then stunting his development.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ABaggie on July 09, 2015, 02:05:48 PM
Great move by Saido. The quicker we stand up to 'vermin' like Ward the better.

Some agents [not all] are everything that is rotten in this game..........

At least Dick Turpin wore a mask.

A bit naive if you think he won't appoint another agent. The agent is employed to get him the best deal he can. All that has happened is that Saido has realised that the best move he can get is to Liverpool. But he won't get a move to Liverpool by having a agent that Liverpool will not talk to. His new agent is probably in discussion with Liverpool as we speak.
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on July 09, 2015, 02:12:37 PM
Not naive at all. There is no doubt he will get another agent and there is no doubt he will eventually get a move to another club....the majority of agents do have a 'moral compass' - some [like Ward] don't.

My comment was not about Saido, it was referring to aggressive agents who hold clubs to ransom and then walk away trousering a big fat payment at the clubs [and fans] expense. It borders on criminality.     
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on July 09, 2015, 06:34:35 PM
Good lad, I've liked Berahino's attitude in recent times, and think that Tony Pulis has managed him very well. I think Berahino needs people like Pulis who can support him and be genuine, it's a good move.
If Berahino does want to move, and does it in a respectful manner then you can't really criticise him. I hope he doesn't tarnish his name if he does leave, and hope he continues to mature.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 09, 2015, 08:40:50 PM
Sorry to rain on the parade, but agents take a % yes.
So the quickest way for his new agent to earn some cash is.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on July 09, 2015, 08:58:40 PM
Sorry to rain on the parade, but agents take a % yes.
So the quickest way for his new agent to earn some cash is.....

Yes, I think we are all well aware of that buddy. The point people are making is that some agents behave in a more honourable way than others and we believe that Berahino has removed himself from one of the less reputable ones.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on July 09, 2015, 11:14:19 PM
Just a couple of things....

How much of the transfer away from us "reports/media speculation" was generated by Ward and NOT from Saido.

The only interview I remember with direct quotes, from Saido, were not that specific on when he wanted to move to a "Big Club"...

But that interview (and ones like it)  seem to be a Ward tactic...


Also it was reported that Saido's contract with Ward runs out in November... so regardless of their "working relationship" now, Ward is entitled to a cut of any transfer/contract Saido might sign on his own BEFORE the notice to terminate period (which would should have been a clause in the Agent contract)

So that probably means we will not see anything new on Saido for a few weeks at least.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on July 09, 2015, 11:22:44 PM
John Percy ‏@John__Percy  39m39 minutes ago
@thejonreeve Saido is expected to sign a new deal before start of the season. He's a changed man ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 09, 2015, 11:53:06 PM
John Percy ‏@John__Percy  39m39 minutes ago
@thejonreeve Saido is expected to sign a new deal before start of the season. He's a changed man ;)

As I was resigned to losing him that would be a great bit of "business" if true!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on July 10, 2015, 12:58:09 AM
Personally, I think Tony Pulis deserves credit in no short measure for the positive influence he is having on Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ABaggie on July 10, 2015, 09:20:53 AM
Just a couple of things....

How much of the transfer away from us "reports/media speculation" was generated by Ward and NOT from Saido.

The only interview I remember with direct quotes, from Saido, were not that specific on when he wanted to move to a "Big Club"...

But that interview (and ones like it)  seem to be a Ward tactic...


Also it was reported that Saido's contract with Ward runs out in November... so regardless of their "working relationship" now, Ward is entitled to a cut of any transfer/contract Saido might sign on his own BEFORE the notice to terminate period (which would should have been a clause in the Agent contract)

So that probably means we will not see anything new on Saido for a few weeks at least.

The agent is employed by the player not the other way around. The player is the one in charge. So if the agent was saying things that Saido didn't agree with then surely he would've corrected them? Which he didn't.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on July 10, 2015, 05:05:42 PM
The agent is employed by the player not the other way around. The player is the one in chargep So if the agent was saying things that Saido didn't agree with then surely he would've corrected them? Which he didn't.

Saido is a young and inexperienced footballer.  Perhaps he isn't as arrogant as some make out since he is justified in his confidence as a striker but perhaps has listened too much to  people he assumed by their age/status knew more about the business side of things. Like all of us hopefully he is on a learning curve  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on July 10, 2015, 10:00:56 PM
Personally, I think Tony Pulis deserves credit in no short measure for the positive influence he is having on Saido.

I agree, I'd like to know how much influence Fletcher is having on him too as I feel he's only been a positive influence since joining.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on July 11, 2015, 07:52:32 PM
I agree, I'd like to know how much influence Fletcher is having on him too as I feel he's only been a positive influence since joining.

Very true. I was re-watching the Chelsea home game and after Saido scores the penalty you can hear Fletcher say something like "Now you go for your hat trick, yeah? Get another"

Really good to see and hear him pushing Saido on
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on July 12, 2015, 07:57:57 PM
I think fletcher has helped the lad along with pulis, he seems to have turned a corner and hopefully stays with us!
Maybe he knows the new owner has some cash!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on July 12, 2015, 09:40:25 PM
Joined the squad on tour...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on July 15, 2015, 05:15:41 AM
Albion are supposed to be renegotiating a new contract with him and it is believed to be worth £28k per week. He would get double that at a top six club.
OK, i don't believe any player is worth that, but my point is we have an exceptional young goal scorer, shouldn't wages be based on performance and contribution rather than age?
What is the point of bringing top player's through and academy then paying peanut's when they are in demand?
How much was Kevin Phillips on in a lower division?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 15, 2015, 06:10:45 AM
Albion are supposed to be renegotiating a new contract with him and it is believed to be worth £28k per week. He would get double that at a top six club.
OK, i don't believe any player is worth that, but my point is we have an exceptional young goal scorer, shouldn't wages be based on performance and contribution rather than age?
What is the point of bringing top player's through and academy then paying peanut's when they are in demand?
How much was Kevin Phillips on in a lower division?

He would also probably spend double the amount of time sat on the bench at a top six club as well which wouldn't bode well for his international ambition.
With us he's getting game time and progressing, at a top six club he'd be a spectator apart from cup games. Ask Izzy Brown
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on July 15, 2015, 07:57:50 AM
He would also probably spend double the amount of time sat on the bench at a top six club as well which wouldn't bode well for his international ambition.
With us he's getting game time and progressing, at a top six club he'd be a spectator apart from cup games. Ask Izzy Brown

It all comes down to Money v Ambition & 8 times out of 10 Money wins
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on July 15, 2015, 09:25:25 PM
It all comes down to Money v Ambition & 8 times out of 10 Money wins

That is my point exactly. That's why Izzy went to Chelsea. We have a precocious young talent, who will one day go on to much better things.
I think offering him £28k is insulting when you probably think what Sterling and Kane are on.

Reward should be based on  contribution rather than what age you are. I understand that too much too young might send him off the rails, if that is the case then it will happen,either here or somewhere else, but a footballer has an average of 10 years at the top, injury could end his career at any moment, so you can understand why young lads want to make a fortune as quickly as possible.

If we paid him a proper wage structured in a way that pays him more per goals ratio, then we would have a better chance of keeping him longer.

Footballers want two things in life, game time and a good contract, if we could offer both to our top player's then we wouldn't lose so many.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on July 15, 2015, 10:00:08 PM
I think 35k wouldn't be unreasonable given his contribution to the team.

However 28k a week will be his basic, lots more add ons to that which I'm sure will take him upto a decent wage.

Contracts should be performance based, play well, score goals and the rewards are there
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 16, 2015, 07:19:05 PM
Hopefully he'll have a buy out clause of at least 30m maybe more?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stanthesetter on July 19, 2015, 09:11:56 AM
papers are saying Spurs are moving in for him this week, opening offer of 15 million, we'll see .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 19, 2015, 09:25:15 AM
I think 35k wouldn't be unreasonable given his contribution to the team.

However 28k a week will be his basic, lots more add ons to that which I'm sure will take him upto a decent wage.

Contracts should be performance based, play well, score goals and the rewards are there

I'm surprised you rate him at more than double what they are asking for Charlie Austin
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on July 19, 2015, 10:37:12 AM
Need to hold on to him, or were in the poo
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on July 19, 2015, 10:44:22 AM
next season will be the first with the new Prem deal with sky and bt so a buy out of 40 million plus wouldn't be reasonable

Berahino is yet to play in Europe and yet to play for England. £30millon would be too much at this stage.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 19, 2015, 11:13:34 AM
Berahino is yet to play in Europe and yet to play for England. £30millon would be too much at this stage.

Whether he's played for England or not, at his age, with his passport and his goalscoring record at the evel he has been playing, £30mil may be on the steep side but certainly not unrealistic when you compare that fee to the reported 15 million QPR want for Austin who is older and has 1 year left on his contract. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 19, 2015, 11:32:05 AM
The contract dynamics alone make Saido more valuable than Austin and even if we don't manage to extend his contract provided he has a half decent year he would be worth £15m in 12 months time, particularly if you bear in mind that because of his age we would get some compensation at the end of his contract even if he runs it down.  Based on the sort of figures being mentioned in respect of Ings he would not be worth anything less than £6m.

So £15m is way short and turning it down will be easiest decision anyone at the club will make this summer. It has to be north of £20m to even be worth contemplating and something in the region of £30m to make it tempting 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on July 19, 2015, 12:15:07 PM
Berahino is yet to play in Europe and yet to play for England. £30millon would be too much at this stage.

Man Utd payed that much for Luke Shaw and nobody batted an eyelid.

Young English goal scorer who MIGHT be very good in a few years. It will take big money for anyone to find out....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 19, 2015, 08:15:40 PM
As much as I rate him perhaps we will have to sell him to finance New signings. We can‘t compete in the market otherwise.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on July 19, 2015, 08:21:36 PM
As much as I rate him perhaps we will have to sell him to finance New signings. We can‘t compete in the market otherwise.
We won't be competing in games if we sell him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 19, 2015, 08:42:06 PM
We won't be competing in games if we sell him.

If selling him enabled us to bring in say Austin and Phillips with the money it would be a risk worth taking. He is inevitably going to leave us at some point.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies_24 on July 19, 2015, 09:31:00 PM
If selling him enabled us to bring in say Austin and Phillips with the money it would be a risk worth taking. He is inevitably going to leave us at some point.

Double edge sword though, what happens if he goes out there and smashes 25 league goals next season, all of a sudden were looking at £40 million for him. Unless someone comes in with a offer we can't turn down then we should be looking to keep him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 19, 2015, 09:50:04 PM
Double edge sword though, what happens if he goes out there and smashes 25 league goals next season, all of a sudden were looking at £40 million for him. Unless someone comes in with a offer we can't turn down then we should be looking to keep him.

No one will score 25 goals in a Pulis team and I'm pro-TP, just the way it is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on July 19, 2015, 09:53:55 PM
If we do sell him I hope it doesn't drag on too long and I hope we don't accept 15 million.

We have no need to sell him at the moment so it would take a good bid to make it worth it, and the fact he is home grown pushes his price above 20 million.

If they offer 25 million I understand that we cannot say no, but it needs to be in the sort of range.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on July 20, 2015, 09:51:31 AM
If selling him enabled us to bring in say Austin and Phillips with the money it would be a risk worth taking. He is inevitably going to leave us at some point.


No i disagree, with them two in our team less Saido i see us a weaker team. Austin is a finisher not a goal scorer.
With the standard of strikers that are available over the world that fall into our price bracket its imperative we keep Saido 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: slugga1 on July 20, 2015, 10:00:29 AM
If we do sell him I hope it doesn't drag on too long and I hope we don't accept 15 million.

We have no need to sell him at the moment so it would take a good bid to make it worth it, and the fact he is home grown pushes his price above 20 million.

If they offer 25 million I understand that we cannot say no, but it needs to be in the sort of range.


I'd rather we sold him (if we do at all)  early and have a chance to get a really decent alternative rather than be praying something scrapes through in thr last few hours. We woukd need someone pretty damn decent though to replace him which would still be a hard task in itself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on July 20, 2015, 11:03:01 AM
Can anyone name a player as good as him that we'd be able to attract if we did sell him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 20, 2015, 11:17:49 AM
I'd only sell him if we already signed Austin as a replacement and sold him for at least 25m meaning we had a further 10m to lavish on 4th choice wingers
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on July 20, 2015, 05:47:15 PM
if he has another 15-20 goal season with us, he'll be worth £40-50m next season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on July 21, 2015, 08:39:01 PM
He will be hard to replace and that's a fact.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on July 21, 2015, 08:42:22 PM
hope he is not manures secret striker!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 21, 2015, 08:52:53 PM
hope he is not manures secret striker!!!

Exactly what I thought when I read that earlier re United. A quiet deal done?  Might explain our inertia in the transfer markets as our available cash to spend may be a lot higher and our priorities very different.  A part exchange with Hernandez and Evans?

Mind you, I doubt Berahino would have played in yesterday's friendly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 23, 2015, 08:57:27 AM
All the Spuds rumours coming to the fore again
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 23, 2015, 10:32:38 AM
If he goes and Lambert comes in we're two steps behind where we were in the first place
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on July 23, 2015, 10:51:22 AM
Really hope the lad signs a new contract and stays.
Come on Saido, get scribbling chap.
 8).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 23, 2015, 09:25:18 PM
Rumour that £15m plus Lennon is being discussed
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on July 23, 2015, 09:26:55 PM
Rumour that £15m plus Lennon is being discussed

Link please
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 23, 2015, 09:31:25 PM
I can not see it myself, bit of patience and he will be playing Champions League football but not with Spuds.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on July 23, 2015, 09:33:47 PM
As he doesn't have an agent... who exactly is talking (in private of course) with Spuds?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 23, 2015, 09:39:44 PM
Link please

No internet link, only a rumour via a contact quite well connected at Tottenham
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 23, 2015, 09:41:05 PM
As he doesn't have an agent... who exactly is talking (in private of course) with Spuds?

Nobody said he was talking to Spurs - his agent situation has nothing to do with any (rumoured) contact between the two clubs
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 23, 2015, 10:50:15 PM
I'm not even going to bother engaging with this one as there's no chance.

Spurs may well want him,  they may well bid for him, but there's no chance in Hell TP lets him go cheaply and spurs cant afford him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 23, 2015, 11:04:28 PM
I'm not even going to bother engaging with this one as there's no chance.

Spurs may well want him,  they may well bid for him, but there's no chance in Hell TP lets him go cheaply and spurs cant afford him.

Is £15m plus Lennon "cheap"?   Equates to around £25m.   If we received a cash offer of £25m I suspect we would sell
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on July 23, 2015, 11:34:41 PM
The Tottenham interest is being reported in the Mirror.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 24, 2015, 12:51:35 AM
The Tottenham interest is being reported in the Mirror.

Yes whatever the when a story turns up somewhere reliable with a proper journalist's name on it then I'll take it seriously. They might be interested but at £15m we won't be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on July 24, 2015, 01:20:32 AM
Can not see him sold before new owners are named, one of our major assets. Jp will lose at least 50 million of price agreed if he sanctions this transfer. If sold after sale of club then we will all know that Peace has left us in the lerch as he wonders of with his wallet stuffed with cash.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on July 24, 2015, 02:31:21 AM
Can not see him sold before new owners are named, one of our major assets. Jp will lose at least 50 million of price agreed if he sanctions this transfer. If sold after sale of club then we will all know that Peace has left us in the lerch as he wonders of with his wallet stuffed with cash.

another pathetic stab at JP....

IF he is sold after the Sale of the Club it is the NEW owners who are profit taking not JP....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on July 24, 2015, 03:25:40 AM
Some fans must spend hours hatching their own conspiracy theories or negative ways in which to knock the man that was at the helm of the clubs most successful period in decades, a man, who could continue to take a salary of over £1m a year, a man who could pay himself dividends supported by the new TV deal, but a man who instead is sensible enough, wise enough and has Albions interests at heart, as well as his own (as we all would) and has decided he can't progress the club to the next level financially, has sort new owners, but only if they meet his expectations for progressing the club.

Sounds like a decent bloke to me.

I will be saddened by his exit from the club, but grateful for what he has achieved for the club, so he made a lot of money on the way, he has still left a viable concern and given Albion fans a roller coaster ride that many fans near and far envy, it has never been boring with JP at the helm.

Ps. Back on thread, I think Saido will sign a new contract and go on to prove himself worthy of a multi million pound transfer in the next few years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on July 24, 2015, 03:29:16 AM
Said one will definitely be gone by September 1. I just hope it's for more than £25m and that we invest a large chunk of this on a quality replacement.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on July 24, 2015, 05:23:30 AM
Said one will definitely be gone by September 1. I just hope it's for more than £25m and that we invest a large chunk of this on a quality replacement.
For me Saido is a better finisher than either of Kane, Austin, Ings, et al, and remember he has been feeding from scraps. With hopefully, a much improved service he can develop into a truly quality player, and play at a higher level than Tottenham. I think he will opt to stick with TP and learn how to become a better all round player/person, before ultimately moving on. Tottenham would be a big mistake.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 24, 2015, 06:32:16 AM
I don't think anyone will offer what we would want for him this summer and we aren't under any pressure to sell either. Keeping him this summer should be one of the clubs priorities, we need to build the side around him.

Another successful season here then next summer will be a whole new story.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on July 24, 2015, 07:16:15 AM
Imagine Berahino running riot round the bright lights of London! He would be I'm the newspapers every week.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 24, 2015, 07:40:00 AM
Some fans must spend hours hatching their own conspiracy theories or negative ways in which to knock the man that was at the helm of the clubs most successful period in decades, a man, who could continue to take a salary of over £1m a year, a man who could pay himself dividends supported by the new TV deal, but a man who instead is sensible enough, wise enough and has Albions interests at heart, as well as his own (as we all would) and has decided he can't progress the club to the next level financially, has sort new owners, but only if they meet his expectations for progressing the club.

Sounds like a decent bloke to me.

I will be saddened by his exit from the club, but grateful for what he has achieved for the club, so he made a lot of money on the way, he has still left a viable concern and given Albion fans a roller coaster ride that many fans near and far envy, it has never been boring with JP at the helm.

Ps. Back on thread, I think Saido will sign a new contract and go on to prove himself worthy of a multi million pound transfer in the next few years.
Very VERY well said ..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 24, 2015, 08:16:00 AM
I cant stand spuds, full of carbs

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 24, 2015, 08:16:52 AM
Spurs want to find the lowest price we are prepared to sell at that isn't done by offering something close to the price they absolutely know we will sell at. If they get any encouragement from either the club or player they will return with a slightly improved offers until we bite and or Berahino starts to rock the boat. If it draws a blank they will simply go away.

This summer we can tough it out but unless he signs a new deal he will be sold next year and even if he does sign a new deal he still might be but the price just goes through the roof.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: marky on July 25, 2015, 12:40:25 AM
Look.

His mum is an arsenal fan.

That's all I need to say.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 25, 2015, 11:02:27 PM
Express seem very confident that he's off to Spurs

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/593811/Exclusive-Saido-Berahino-set-to-complete-15m-move-to-Spurs
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on July 25, 2015, 11:13:40 PM
Express seem very confident that he's off to Spurs

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/593811/Exclusive-Saido-Berahino-set-to-complete-15m-move-to-Spurs
For such a confident headline that story really doesn't have much substance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 25, 2015, 11:15:51 PM
For such a confident headline that story really doesn't have much substance.
Because they know nothing more than anyone else, but can sell to Spurs fans off the headline alone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 25, 2015, 11:18:02 PM
Express seem very confident that he's off to Spurs

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/593811/Exclusive-Saido-Berahino-set-to-complete-15m-move-to-Spurs

It simply isn't happening. That article makes a bold statement, but has no substance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 25, 2015, 11:19:48 PM
For such a confident headline that story really doesn't have much substance.

Can't help thinking something is brewing, although not at £15m.   We got £9m for Curtis Davies about 7 years ago!  Do they know nothing about JP?!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on July 25, 2015, 11:32:17 PM
Can't help thinking something is brewing, although not at £15m.   We got £9m for Curtis Davies about 7 years ago!  Do they know nothing about JP?!
If I was an agent who represented a player who I knew was chucking me when our deal expires in November, I'd be doing anything I could to force a transfer through whilst I was still probably contractually obliged to deal with it and get a fee. That would probably include trying to unsettle the player, his club and encourage any interested clubs by planting lots of newspaper stories.

If a deal was this close, I doubt he would have played today or would ge tweeting tonight about looking forward to our next friendly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albertbaggie on July 25, 2015, 11:34:09 PM
If he was signing in 48 hours I'd assume Pulis might have indicated something in his post-match interview today. Joke of a paper.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on July 26, 2015, 12:04:32 AM
If I was an agent who represented a player who I knew was chucking me when our deal expires in November, I'd be doing anything I could to force a transfer through whilst I was still probably contractually obliged to deal with it and get a fee. That would probably include trying to unsettle the player, his club and encourage any interested clubs by planting lots of newspaper stories.

That, I think, is the comment closest to the truth...

Parasite of an agent and I reckon spiteful enough to just want to cause grief.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 26, 2015, 12:06:13 AM
With Jeremy Peace seemingly staying at the club then £15m seems a bit wide of the mark given previous track record of selling players especially one we do not want or need to sell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on July 26, 2015, 12:13:17 AM
Express seem very confident that he's off to Spurs

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/593811/Exclusive-Saido-Berahino-set-to-complete-15m-move-to-Spurs

Total joke..................how on earth would we sell for half his current value in this crazy market ?????
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AdelaideBaggie on July 26, 2015, 04:06:13 AM
If the story in the Express were true, Saido wouldn't have played in the Swindon friendly...journalists digging for stories or an attempt to ensure his new contract offer attracts the best price.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on July 26, 2015, 06:37:05 AM
http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/26/tottenham-to-complete-15m-saido-berahino-transfer-in-48-hours-5312932/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 26, 2015, 06:40:40 AM
They would have to add £10m just for us to have a discussion about it, also as mentioned if talks were at a stage where a deal would be done within 48 hours then no way would they have played him against Swindon and risked him getting injured.

Absolute garbage of a story.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on July 26, 2015, 06:56:49 AM
Must be the worst bit of lazy journalism I have seen, tops the lots this crazy window, someone stirring the s...t me thinks. JP reputation has not reached the smoke obviously.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on July 26, 2015, 09:28:28 AM
What planet do these journalists live on? No way will he be sold
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on July 26, 2015, 09:32:58 AM
I have to say I'm a little concerned by these reports. They appear to be so strong and quoting timescales and fee, just makes me think there is a possibility there is something in it, I sincerely hope not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 26, 2015, 09:44:34 AM
If it is cut and dried I'd be surprised that he'd be allowed to compete in the Swindon game yesterday.
Might be pie in the sky but the reports do come across as quite credible and with substance
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on July 26, 2015, 09:49:30 AM
I have to say I'm a little concerned by these reports. They appear to be so strong and quoting timescales and fee, just makes me think there is a possibility there is something in it, I sincerely hope not.

It's just lazy journalism. Do you notice how spurs constantly keep getting linked with him? Its just lazy journalists who have no idea what's going on so they are making stuff up to fill papers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on July 26, 2015, 09:53:02 AM
It's just lazy journalism. Do you notice how spurs constantly keep getting linked with him? Its just lazy journalists who have no idea what's going on so they are making stuff up to fill papers.

I do hope you are right
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alwaysbilly on July 26, 2015, 10:01:27 AM
If it is cut and dried I'd be surprised that he'd be allowed to compete in the Swindon game yesterday.
Might be pie in the sky but the reports do come across as quite credible and with substance
No chance. Pulls will not let this happen until/unless he has 2 strikers (1 capable of replacing his goals) lined up and ready to sign.
Pathetic journalism.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on July 26, 2015, 10:05:03 AM
No reason why the club should sell him anything short of 30 million, You have to weigh up what it would cost us in relegation and it would also turn us into an extremely drab side that might claw it's way to safety with a string of 1-0 wins.

Big no from me and I don't think the clubs that daft.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on July 26, 2015, 10:22:42 AM
I'd take £15mil............and Andros Townsend.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on July 26, 2015, 10:24:58 AM
Fairly relaxed with this at the moment as we all know he won't be going to Spuds for 15 million !!!!
Either 25/30 in the current market and we reinvest all of that or Saido stays to continue his development...........positive either way.......

But if he did go for 15 or we didn't revert then.  >:(. Total meltdown!!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on July 26, 2015, 10:27:32 AM
I'd take £15mil............and Andros Townsend.

How about a straight swap for Harry Kane?  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Blowee on July 26, 2015, 10:39:23 AM
They would have to add £10m just for us to have a discussion about it, also as mentioned if talks were at a stage where a deal would be done within 48 hours then no way would they have played him against Swindon and risked him getting injured.

Absolute garbage of a story.
We don't do deals in 48 hours - add another 48 days and we might get around to talking!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 26, 2015, 11:09:44 AM
You'd think the Express would learn something from ITK twitter accounts never be specific about timeframes because when it doesn't happen within the specified timescale you are a busted. For it happen in 48 hours the deal needs to be agreed by tomorrow and medical on Tuesday. I am fairly confident that it won't happen or at least not at the price quoted but we won't have to wait long to find out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on July 26, 2015, 11:17:03 AM
There is no way JP would let him go for £15m. Sterling goes for £49m, he's got to be worth in today's market around £25 to £30m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albertbaggie on July 26, 2015, 11:18:16 AM
If the fee was £15 million, he wouldn't  be going to Tottenham anyway in my opinion. One of the top four would take a punt at that price especially given the money Man City have forked out for the Fulham lad Roberts this week
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on July 26, 2015, 11:23:50 AM
How about a straight swap for Harry Kane?  ;)

Not far off on a par except that Saido has now done it for 2 consecutive seasons compared to Kane's one........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 26, 2015, 11:42:50 AM
Just picked up this from Chris Lepkowski on twitter

@chrislepkowski   
@Matt1McArdle for £15m Spurs are more likely to succeed in buying Cherno Samba than Saido. #FMjournalism


Which is quite funny when you remember the twists and turns that Chris used to perform in defence of his colleagues on other Mirror Group papers when they ran with equally fanciful stories. 

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stoxman on July 26, 2015, 11:45:41 AM
There is no way JP would let him go for £15m. Sterling goes for £49m, he's got to be worth in today's market around £25 to £30m.

As a different comparison, it appears from press reports that QPR are holding out for £15m for Charlie Austin having turned down £12m from Leicester.  Austin scored 18 goals last year compared with 20 for Saido. Austin is a full England international. Both are young, neither has been plagued with injury problems. Austin hasn't had Saido's well publicised personal issues.  To me there is little to pick between the two. If Austin is worth £15m then so is Saido.

Of course, we have JP and he could probably sell my Auntie for £1m....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on July 26, 2015, 11:49:57 AM
As a different comparison, it appears from press reports that QPR are holding out for £15m for Charlie Austin having turned down £12m from Leicester.  Austin scored 18 goals last year compared with 20 for Saido. Austin is a full England international. Both are young, neither has been plagued with injury problems. Austin hasn't had Saido's well publicised personal issues.  To me there is little to pick between the two. If Austin is worth £15m then so is Saido.

Of course, we have JP and he could probably sell my Auntie for £1m....

The way the transfer window is going we may need to play your Auntie mate :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on July 26, 2015, 11:51:23 AM
As a different comparison, it appears from press reports that QPR are holding out for £15m for Charlie Austin having turned down £12m from Leicester.  Austin scored 18 goals last year compared with 20 for Saido. Austin is a full England international. Both are young, neither has been plagued with injury problems. Austin hasn't had Saido's well publicised personal issues.  To me there is little to pick between the two. If Austin is worth £15m then so is Saido.

Of course, we have JP and he could probably sell my Auntie for £1m....

Austin is 26, 5 years older than saido. Has one year on his deal and they won't get compensation due to his age, and has a dodgy medical background. If he does for £15mill then I'd hope wed get 25million minimum for berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mb1 on July 26, 2015, 12:06:56 PM
Austin is 26, 5 years older than saido. Has one year on his deal and they won't get compensation due to his age, and has a dodgy medical background. If he does for £15mill then I'd hope wed get 25million minimum for berahino

Added to which QPR have been relegated and are in a mess financially.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mrmojorisin on July 26, 2015, 12:36:23 PM
If Saido were to go to Tottering Hipsters for £15m I would lose all faith in our club and football in general.

1. £15m is peanuts and we could not get in anyone of such quality for that amount.

2.  Why would he want to go to a club like that who are very unlikely to actually win anything (only the money of course)?

However, for those very same reasons, and the fact that - as far as we know he doesn't have an agent at the moment - I really cannot see this happening.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on July 26, 2015, 12:57:33 PM
Absolute non story. The club have publicly come out and said we wont sell SB in this window, the only thing that would change this is if they receive a stupid offer i.e. £35m +
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 26, 2015, 01:05:35 PM
As a different comparison, it appears from press reports that QPR are holding out for £15m for Charlie Austin having turned down £12m from Leicester.  Austin scored 18 goals last year compared with 20 for Saido. Austin is a full England international. Both are young, neither has been plagued with injury problems. Austin hasn't had Saido's well publicised personal issues.  To me there is little to pick between the two. If Austin is worth £15m then so is Saido.

Of course, we have JP and he could probably sell my Auntie for £1m....
why sell her??, is she over 6 ft and willing to do a job ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 26, 2015, 01:07:38 PM
Absolute non story. The club have publicly come out and said we wont sell SB in this window, the only thing that would change this is if they receive a stupid offer i.e. £35m +
however if the other "right players " were to become avaliable and we thought we could get an upswing of 2/3??
also have to say he has cost us nothing so 15m + a player or 22m is very tempting.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DroitwichBaggie71 on July 26, 2015, 03:48:43 PM
I would be happy with 15 million if we got Lennon or Townsend as well, we then managed to get Austin in with the 15 million and loaned Gnabry from Arsenal that in my opinion would be a rather good improvement but a straight 15 million deal go do one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on July 26, 2015, 04:03:10 PM
I would be happy with 15 million if we got Lennon or Townsend as well, we then managed to get Austin in with the 15 million and loaned Gnabry from Arsenal that in my opinion would be a rather good improvement but a straight 15 million deal go do one.
Totally agree. That would be nearer the mark. £15m would be an absolute steal and not something that Peace would sanction. It sounds like the London press are stirring this to the limit fired up by a desperate Spurs board.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on July 26, 2015, 04:24:28 PM
There is a Spurs fan who lives opposite me, he is from Edmonton originally, and he came for a pint with us a couple of weeks ago.
He said Spurs wanted Berahino and would offer Lennon and Townsend in exchange. Don't know where he got this info from or what he had just heard like us.
I think Pulis want's to keep Bera but at the same time also wants to build his own team.
Selling players may be the only way this can be achieved, seeing as we never offer above £5m for anyone.

We need to get in another two strikers though before we even think of selling.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 26, 2015, 04:32:12 PM
He said Spurs wanted Berahino and would offer Lennon and Townsend in exchange. Don't know where he got this info from or what he had just heard like us.

That was reported in the Mirror some months ago.

Swap deals or player exchanges to my knowledge very rarely happen so I tend to take them with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on July 26, 2015, 05:05:33 PM
If Tottenham want Saido they obviously see him as an improvement to their squad. If they wish to include two players as part of an exchange, they do not see those players as being so important to their squad. In effect what Tottenham will be saying is, "here, have two players for the price of your one, even though between them they will score less goals and cost more in combined wages".

I do not want him replaced by players which Tottenham have deemed surplus to their requirements.
Further, I do not see us agreeing terms with two players who are probably on very fat contracts already, and another who is rumoured to want circa £85K per week. I don't want Tottenham's reported £15 mill to put towards Austin either, as I believe that Bera' is a better long term prospect than him anyway, and he is already contracted to us.

May well be cheaper to offer Saido a double your money contract with added bonuses and bring in players who TP decides upon, rather than having his squad chosen for him by the powers that be at Spurs. Ultimately it depends on a combination of what young Bera wants and what JP believes he can recoup, cheaper options do tend to be to his liking though.

Over to Saido and Mr Peace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on July 26, 2015, 05:08:09 PM
That was reported in the Mirror some months ago.

Swap deals or player exchanges to my knowledge very rarely happen so I tend to take them with a pinch of salt.

Pulis once swapped Dave Kitson and Liam Lawrence for Marc Wilson.

He wanted Kitson and Lawrence out for leaking the butt in the shower to the press and Portsmouth were desperate for players at the same time.

If Spurs went for a cash + player deal I can only see it being for Lennon. They have slapped a £15m price tag on Townsend this summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on July 26, 2015, 05:12:31 PM
They can do one unless they stump up 25 million plus . What pisses me off is all these sites saying its a done deal .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bomberblueand white on July 26, 2015, 05:55:48 PM
Spurs doing it all through the press to unsettle him doesn't reflect well on them. If JP can get what he did for koumas, Curtis and kamara 15 mill will be laughed at by the board
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on July 26, 2015, 06:24:27 PM
Just picked up this from Chris Lepkowski on twitter

@chrislepkowski   
@Matt1McArdle for £15m Spurs are more likely to succeed in buying Cherno Samba than Saido. #FMjournalism


Which is quite funny when you remember the twists and turns that Chris used to perform in defence of his colleagues on other Mirror Group papers when they ran with equally fanciful stories.

I know, I always find that amusing. He always used to be very defensive, almost bordering on argumentative if you questions a journalists integrity, and yet these stories do suggest that they will print any old b*ll*cks, however fanciful, if it drums up newspaper sales and web hits.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on July 26, 2015, 06:28:16 PM
As a different comparison, it appears from press reports that QPR are holding out for £15m for Charlie Austin having turned down £12m from Leicester.  Austin scored 18 goals last year compared with 20 for Saido. Austin is a full England international. Both are young, neither has been plagued with injury problems. Austin hasn't had Saido's well publicised personal issues.  To me there is little to pick between the two. If Austin is worth £15m then so is Saido.

Of course, we have JP and he could probably sell my Auntie for £1m....

I think there are a few factors you have to take into consideration.

Charlie Austin is 25
He has 1 year left on his contract
There are questions over his medical history, having failed them in the past
He currently plays for a championship club who are in theory, with a money defecit.

Saido is 21
He has 2 years left on his deal
He scored more goals last year.

If Jordan Rhodes can move for 12-14 million, and if Man City can play 8-11 million for an 18 year old championship midfielder, then we can ask for 20 million  plus for Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on July 26, 2015, 07:27:52 PM
I think there are a few factors you have to take into consideration.

Charlie Austin is 25
He has 1 year left on his contract
There are questions over his medical history, having failed them in the past
He currently plays for a championship club who are in theory, with a money defecit.

Saido is 21
He has 2 years left on his deal
He scored more goals last year.

If Jordan Rhodes can move for 12-14 million, and if Man City can play 8-11 million for an 18 year old championship midfielder, then we can ask for 20 million  plus for Saido.

I think its been mentioned a couple of times that Saido outscored Austin in this thread. Although he did, absolutely no way are 6 cup goals (including 4 goals vs Gateshead) comparable to 4 premier league goals. Its completely ridiculous to say otherwise. Austin also had one less penalty.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on July 26, 2015, 07:29:19 PM
If Tottenham want Saido they obviously see him as an improvement to their squad. If they wish to include two players as part of an exchange, they do not see those players as being so important to their squad. In effect what Tottenham will be saying is, "here, have two players for the price of your one, even though between them they will score less goals and cost more in combined wages".

I do not want him replaced by players which Tottenham have deemed surplus to their requirements.
Further, I do not see us agreeing terms with two players who are probably on very fat contracts already, and another who is rumoured to want circa £85K per week. I don't want Tottenham's reported £15 mill to put towards Austin either, as I believe that Bera' is a better long term prospect than him anyway, and he is already contracted to us.

May well be cheaper to offer Saido a double your money contract with added bonuses and bring in players who TP decides upon, rather than having his squad chosen for him by the powers that be at Spurs. Ultimately it depends on a combination of what young Bera wants and what JP believes he can recoup, cheaper options do tend to be to his liking though.

Over to Saido and Mr Peace.

Most players that we, or other clubs like us, sign, will be surplus to the requirements of their club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: spyro on July 26, 2015, 07:39:22 PM
Why would we want both Townsend and Lennon,  when they both play in the exact same positions
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on July 26, 2015, 07:42:44 PM
Most players that we, or other clubs like us, sign, will be surplus to the requirements of their club.

Yes, I am aware that we don't dine at the top table thank you.

The point I was making was that if they want to improve their squad with our player, I do not want payment to come in the form of what they deem to be their dross.

Preferably, I do not want their players or their payment though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 26, 2015, 08:02:29 PM
To contemplate selling Berahino this window we need to be a lot better off than if we don't. £15m plus Lennon or Townsend does not look like an improvement particularly when even armed with the additional funds we are not guaranteed to land a top class striker as a replacement.

If there is any chance we can sign him up on a longer contract I think we should hang on to him, with a good season next year we still be able to pick up at least £15m next year even with just 12 months to run on his contract.

The longer the window goes and the sillier prices seem to get the less inclined I am to sell given how difficult it is to attract genuine quality to the Hawthorns 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mb1 on July 26, 2015, 08:22:00 PM
Why would we want both Townsend and Lennon,  when they both play in the exact same positions

Townsend plays left and Lennon on the right.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 26, 2015, 08:54:43 PM
Townsend plays left and Lennon on the right.

Townsend has played right wing in every England appearance in an era when we are still since John Barnes crying out for a left winger. So I can't have that mate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on July 27, 2015, 08:29:03 AM
http://www.thetottenhamway.com/2015/07/27/premier-league-striker-on-tottenhams-list-but-will-cost-at-least-25m/?

Premier League striker ‘on Tottenham’s list’ but will cost at least £25m
by Dan Kilpatrick - July 27, 2015 6:00 am

A reliable source dampens the Berahino chatter.

There’s been loads of talk this weekend about Saido Berahino. The West Brom striker has long been linked to Spurs but the latest talk seems to have originated from the Express, which claimed on Saturday Berahino will complete a £15m move to Spurs in the next 48 hours. Hope you’ve kept Monday free, guys!

he Express isn’t a bastion of truth but the author of the ‘exclusive’, London-based Neil Fissler who professes to the ‘Prime Minister of rugby gossip’ and claims to have ‘more scoops than an ice cream van’, is adamant his information is correct:

Jesus Christ West Brom fans are worse than Villa for whinging about a story that will turn out to be correct.

— Neil Fissler (@neilfissler) July 26, 2015


Don’t let Fissler’s confidence fool you, however. Reliable Telegraph journalist John Percy, a bloke with his ear to the ground at goings-on at both Tottenham and West Brom, says there have been no bid for Berahino.

Percy admitted the England U21 forward was on Tottenham’s ‘list’ but stressed he wasn’t first choice and would revealed the 21-year-old would cost at least £25m.

Percy isn’t unimpeachable but he’s way more reliable than the Express or Fissler, so I would recommend trusting his version of the Berahino situation.

If it is how he says it is, Spurs aren’t signing Berahino this summer. There’s no way Daniel Levy would sanction a £25m deal, particularly for a player who isn’t the first choice of Mauricio Pochettino and / or Paul Mitchell.

Berahino would be a good fit for Spurs – he’s young, Premier League-proven, English and versatile – but Levy has already said Spurs will target players in the ‘£10-15m’ bracket this summer, making the likes of Timo Werner or Clinton N’Jie far more likely targets.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on July 27, 2015, 08:32:28 AM
There's no way he'd be sold for £15 million. I'm not saying he won't be sold, because there's a good possibility that he will, however £15 million doesn't really help us and I think we could easily squeeze £5-10 million more.
Just thinking about it with logic means the chances of him going for £15 mill is stupid. The Spurs journo may think Levy is some kind of 'deal master' but he obviously hasn't met Jeremy Peace either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on July 27, 2015, 11:23:35 AM
The Spurs journo may think Levy is some kind of 'deal master' but he obviously hasn't met Jeremy Peace either.

Peace vs Levy, its like the unstoppable force vs the immovable object  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on July 27, 2015, 11:28:04 AM
Peace vs Levy, its like the unstoppable force vs the immovable object  :D
The seller will always win as long as they don't have to sell. Look at Bale going to Real - Levy won in the end but as usual he wasted the family silver. £25m with a sell on clause on Berhanio is a fair and proper price in today's silly market!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on July 27, 2015, 01:24:30 PM
John Percy has stated on Twitter that Berahino is on Spurs list but a long way down it and it would take an offer of at least 25 million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on July 27, 2015, 01:48:04 PM
Seriously cannot see him going to Spurs before the season starts. The initial price is a joke and in reality, if he is an ambitious player then surely he would hold out for a club that stands a realistic chance of getting into the Champions league - not the 'Thursday night Channel 5' Cup.

Spurs would be a bad move for him, but I can seriously see him in an Arsenal shirt in years to come [sadly].
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 27, 2015, 02:08:01 PM
as saido effectively has no agent i cant see him going anywhere, as he would be foolish to negotiate without one
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on July 27, 2015, 02:11:28 PM
Still 6 weeks left to negotiate a deal. I can see this going through late on.

Something like £15m + Aaron Lennon (they want £9m for him) + a young player on loan for 12 months.

A West Brom representative could act as an mediator to help Berahino agree a good personal package.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on July 27, 2015, 02:15:06 PM
Still 6 weeks left to negotiate a deal. I can see this going through late on.

Something like £15m + Aaron Lennon (they want £9m for him) + a young player on loan for 12 months.

A West Brom representative could act as an mediator to help Berahino agree a good personal package.

Would much prefer Andros Townsend.

Someone told me the other day that Lennon was going to the vile, with Grealish going the other way. Seemed well informed but I will emphasise that I am not ITK, or profess to be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fentbaggie on July 27, 2015, 06:36:52 PM
My mate - who's a massive Spurs fan - told me back in January when the Lennon/Townsend deal for Berahino first surfaced, that it'd be a bad deal for us.

He watches them week in week out and says Lennon is quick - but 9 out of 10 times has no end product (cross or pass) - and Townsend is a one trick pony for whom any decent oppo manager can effectively snuff out of the game by nullifying that one 'trick' in his game.

As a Spurs fan - he'd be perfectly content to see them both move on.  "They both had lot of potential which has never really been fulfilled" is his summary.

He's a decent footy 'analyst', doesn't talk rubbish, so my thoughts are while it sounded a potentially decent deal back in January, now we leave well alone unless it's £25m+.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on July 27, 2015, 10:49:59 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/11766017/Tottenham-plan-10m-Saido-Berahino-bid-but-West-Brom-want-25m.html

Opening bid £10m? nice joke...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on July 27, 2015, 10:53:15 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/11766017/Tottenham-plan-10m-Saido-Berahino-bid-but-West-Brom-want-25m.html

Opening bid £10m? nice joke...

 ;D

Utterly laughable journalism !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 27, 2015, 11:26:08 PM
The Mail and Mirror are both saying pretty much the same thing, although one refers to £15m and the other refers to £20m.   

Something looks to be brewing - is there a buyout clause that we don't know about and his scum agent is stirring it up?

For me it's very simple.  If he's to be sold then it needs to happen quickly so that we can get in a replacement. 

If it's £30m cash then it's an immediate yes. 

If it's £25m cash or £25m inc player exchange then it's got to be Lennon or Dembele.

If it's less than £25m then he stays. £25m is the opening price but a deal must be completed within 7 days.   A bidding war starting at £25m would of course be welcome.  Arsenal will jump in and they won't be the only ones.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on July 27, 2015, 11:33:45 PM
;D

Utterly laughable journalism !

It might not be laughable journalism albionbest. Whereas Neil Fissler's ridiculous story on Berahino being a Spurs player by Tuesday was of course laughable, Matt Law is only saying that Spurs are going to make a bid of ten million for him.

If this story is true however, it is pretty disgraceful on Spurs part as they know in the current market that is nowhere near even a compromise bid when we are quoting closer to 25 million.

I have heard a few times now that they are looking (sensibly if you ask me) in the 10-15 million pounds range. If this is the real policy at Spurs this summer, even attempting to bid for Berahino is clearly an attempt at unsettling the player rather than actually trying to purchase him this summer. Berahino at this stage has 2 years left on his deal, and is 21 years of age. If he has another 20 goal season next year, he is guaranteed to fetch over 20 million with ease next summer so this is a rather dirty chase from Spurs who seem to be conducting their business in the media rather than via official channels.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 27, 2015, 11:37:46 PM
It might not be laughable journalism albionbest. Whereas Neil Fissler's ridiculous story on Berahino being a Spurs player by Tuesday was of course laughable, Matt Law is only saying that Spurs are going to make a bid of ten million for him.

If this story is true however, it is pretty disgraceful on Spurs part as they know in the current market that is nowhere near even a compromise bid when we are quoting closer to 25 million.

I have heard a few times now that they are looking (sensibly if you ask me) in the 10-15 million pounds range. If this is the real policy at Spurs this summer, even attempting to bid for Berahino is clearly an attempt at unsettling the player rather than actually trying to purchase him this summer. Berahino at this stage has 2 years left on his deal, and is 21 years of age. If he has another 20 goal season next year, he is guaranteed to fetch over 20 million with ease next summer so this is a rather dirty chase from Spurs who seem to be conducting their business in the media rather than via official channels.

It has Aidy "Scumbag" Ward written all over it

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 28, 2015, 12:28:32 AM
Matt Law is not a complete fool (unlike some) so he's been fed the story. Plainly Spurs are briefing that there is an interest in an attempt to get a bite from the player. The problem is they are now making a £10m bid about twenty four hours after they were supposed to have signed the player for £15m. Whoever is doing the briefing is making the journalists look like idiots and fool them for swallowing it.

This is really simple anything less than £20m and we wouldn't even bother talking to them really they have not got a prayer at the sort of numbers they are talking about and  they can keep their roster of over paid over priced under achievers who in probability don't want to put in a shift at somewhere like the Hawthorns. So cash plus player does not work either.

Either put or shut up or preferably just feck off
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on July 28, 2015, 01:07:11 AM
£10M plus Lennon, Townsend and dembele? Not for me but just putting it out there?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on July 28, 2015, 01:28:16 AM
Rest easy all there has been absolutely no contact from spurs regarding Berahino. No enquiry nor a bid. I'd be amazed if he wasn't still with us at the end of the window considering the club want to build around the likes of him and Fletcher. As has been mentioned in local media he is due to have contract extension talks in the near future.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on July 28, 2015, 01:57:14 AM
Rest easy all there has been absolutely no contact from spurs regarding Berahino. No enquiry nor a bid. I'd be amazed if he wasn't still with us at the end of the window considering the club want to build around the likes of him and Fletcher. As has been mentioned in local media he is due to have contract extension talks in the near future.

Yes I think the following is the reason we are seeing all this...

It has Aidy "Scumbag" Ward written all over it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on July 28, 2015, 08:00:43 AM
£10M plus Lennon, Townsend and dembele? Not for me but just putting it out there?

No chance of all 3 being involved. They value Lennon at £9m, Townsend at £15m and Chelsea were linked with Dembele for £12m a couple of months ago.

The only one who would be open to a move would be Lennon. Townsend and Dembele are more big headed and wouldn't agree personal terms.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on July 28, 2015, 08:08:25 AM
It has Aidy "Scumbag" Ward written all over it

Except for the fact that Aidy Scumbag Ward is reportedly no longer representing him, unless of course you mean that Ward is stitching us and Saido up via the press in some kind of post employee hissy fit.

It was reported some time ago by the agent himself that their contract expires in November, and that they are no longer working together. He stated that anybody wanting to know the reasons why should ask Saido. There are several links to this effect on this very thread.

Unless Saido has appointed a new agent in the mean time, or Aidy Scumbag Ward and Saido were pulling a fast one, then he currently doesn't have an agent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: orville on July 28, 2015, 10:00:59 AM
Except for the fact that Aidy Scumbag Ward is reportedly no longer representing him, unless of course you mean that Ward is stitching us and Saido up via the press in some kind of post employee hissy fit.

It was reported some time ago by the agent himself that their contract expires in November, and that they are no longer working together. He stated that anybody wanting to know the reasons why should ask Saido. There are several links to this effect on this very thread.

Unless Saido has appointed a new agent in the mean time, or Aidy Scumbag Ward and Saido were pulling a fast one, then he currently doesn't have an agent.

Maybe he is due a cut of the fee if sold before November.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on July 28, 2015, 10:13:46 AM
Maybe he is due a cut of the fee if sold before November.

He may indeed be due a cut.

But if Saido is as unhappy with Ward's previous efforts as seems to be the case by not renewing with him (as far as we are aware), to my mind ongoing contractual obligations would be further reason to sit tight until his former agent's deal had fully expired.

Having said that, you never know what goes on in the minds of others.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: orville on July 28, 2015, 10:19:20 AM
Might have nothing to do with Saido, could just be Ward stirring up as much ^%$£ as he can.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on July 28, 2015, 10:23:22 AM
Might have nothing to do with Saido, could just be Ward stirring up as much ^%$£ as he can.


Second half of my first sentence..... :).

"....unless of course you mean that Ward is stitching us and Saido up via the press in some kind of post employee hissy fit".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: orville on July 28, 2015, 10:32:14 AM

Second half of my first sentence..... :).

"....unless of course you mean that Ward is stitching us and Saido up via the press in some kind of post employee hissy fit".


Yes mate that was my thought, but more stitching Saido up, than us, and a last chance to get something out of his contract with Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on July 28, 2015, 10:47:00 AM
West Bromwich Albion ‏@WBAFCofficial 

Ok, this is getting silly now. So let us make it clear. There has been NO bid for Saido. That's it. Carry on everyone
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 28, 2015, 10:50:26 AM
Fair play to the club for stating no bids have been made but to be honest I would rather they not say anything, people will expect them to comment on all speculation now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on July 28, 2015, 11:59:30 AM
West Bromwich Albion ‏@WBAFCofficial 

Ok, this is getting silly now. So let us make it clear. There has been NO bid for Saido. That's it. Carry on everyone

that pretty much confirms it is his EX parasite agent stirring it up....

If there was anything really from the Spurs end (actual deal making interest) they would not have used the word "silly"..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 28, 2015, 06:06:31 PM
Fair play to the club for stating no bids have been made but to be honest I would rather they not say anything, people will expect them to comment on all speculation now.

Yes that is the danger but the tone of the tweet probably reflects the exasperation of the club's media department. On Monday they are being asked to respond to the weekend's  piece of nonsense in the Express and no doubt they patiently explain to any f**kwit journalist that cares to call that there has been no offers and nor would the club welcome an offer. The locals duly publish said denial and by teatime the whole episode is put to bed.

However the National Press which must be like working with a the cast of the living dead print at least three or four utterly laughable stories on Tuesday morning. Cue more calls to confirm Monday's denial. I think the tweet shows remarkable restraint.

If I were working in the club's media er...maybe not such a good idea.  8) 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on July 29, 2015, 04:01:55 PM
I cannot see anyone making a bid for him in this window as our (very public) valuation of him is a lot higher than most teams would be willing to pay for him.  I doubt we'd let him go for anything less than £25m and can only see Man City splashing that sort of money on someone who has had 1 or 1 and a half good seasons.  Can't see anyone else meeting our valuation right now.

I'm certain he'll be here at the end of the window. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigCyrille1975 on August 01, 2015, 12:59:05 PM
Spurs now odds on with multiple bookies to sign Saido this window. :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 01, 2015, 01:12:25 PM
Spurs now odds on with multiple bookies to sign Saido this window. :(

Just reflects the weight of money that has gone on following the flurry of stories from last weekend. There are no other parties being mentioned so all the money that is in that market has one place to go or stay at WBA which I think at 11/4 is the best bet.   There have been no bids and if they start at £15m they will be rebuffed with a half decent season we could get that next year with just 1 year left on his contract.

If we really start to throw a lot of money around the chances increase that we will Saido at the end of the window to balance the books but it won't be for £15m or anything close to it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 01, 2015, 02:16:46 PM
8m for Chester, 3m Lambert, 5m for Marshall...

writing on the wall  is starting to worry me...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 01, 2015, 02:19:11 PM
8m for Chester, 3m Lambert, 5m for Marshall...

writing on the wall  is starting to worry me...

Me too. JP will look to balance the books. What's the betting we end up with a very little if no net spend?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 01, 2015, 02:23:50 PM
Me too. JP will look to balance the books. What's the betting we end up with a very little if no net spend?

He wont take the risk on losing out on the big TV money next season. You don't gamble by selling your prized asset now and risk losing out on the massive pay day next summer. I personally believe we will keep him, he will sign a new deal that will include a fair release clause should a team in Europe want to buy him in future.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on August 01, 2015, 02:32:19 PM
Berahino is going nowhere. No need for concern.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 01, 2015, 02:42:03 PM
Berahino is going nowhere. No need for concern.


totally agree, not worried one little bit
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sted1990 on August 01, 2015, 02:49:43 PM
Those odds of 11/4 on him staying look HUGE to me! Very tempted to back it as I feel he will stay for one more season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 01, 2015, 02:54:08 PM
Those odds of 11/4 on him staying look HUGE to me! Very tempted to back it as I feel he will stay for one more season.

Its at 2/1 at the moment, I expect some will have lumped a few quid on it when it was 11/4 knocking it down a bit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on August 01, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Those odds of 11/4 on him staying look HUGE to me! Very tempted to back it as I feel he will stay for one more season.


They are huge. Lambert and Berahino guarantee us a good 30 goals which will ensure a mid table finish certainly which will automatically progress us as a team / club. Berahino's value will increase further. It doesn't make sense business-wise to sell him now. Since when was Jeremy naive in business?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 01, 2015, 02:59:15 PM

They are huge. Lambert and Berahino guarantee us a good 30 goals which will ensure a mid table finish certainly which will automatically progress us as a team / club. Berahino's value will increase further. It doesn't make sense business-wise to sell him now. Since when was Jeremy naive in business?

For me its far too big a gamble to sell him now for what would turn out to be a small profit in comparison to the new TV deal which you would seriously put at risk by selling him. Peace desperately needs this club to be in the Premier League to sell it off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on August 01, 2015, 03:07:50 PM
For me its far too big a gamble to sell him now for what would turn out to be a small profit in comparison to the new TV deal which you would seriously put at risk by selling him. Peace desperately needs this club to be in the Premier League to sell it off.


If Berahino scores 20 goals next season which is perfectly possible with Lambert as a perfect foil and he behaves himself courting no controversy he could go for serious, serious money next summer to one of the "elite" clubs, especially as he qualifies as English.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 01, 2015, 03:43:52 PM
Just to clarify my earlier remarks about Saido being sold to balance the books at the end of the window nothing that has happened to date would require us to do that. In both the Chester and Lambert cases the deals are structured with a number of add-ons so that we are not faced with an immediate £11m cost and at least some of the cost gets kicked down the road until the player has proved to be successful. 

If for instance we were to buy Phillips and Austin for a combined £25m and make a three more purchases in the £5m to £10m range (again depending on how they were structured) which would take our net spend north of £40m you have to think that Berahino would probably be sold.

Personally I would prefer to do without Phillips and Austin and keep Berahino. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on August 01, 2015, 03:47:59 PM
Just to clarify my earlier remarks about Saido being sold to balance the books at the end of the window nothing that has happened to date would require us to do that. In both the Chester and Lambert cases the deals are structured with a number of add-ons so that we are not faced with an immediate £11m cost and at least some of the cost gets kicked down the road until the player has proved to be successful. 

If for instance we were to buy Phillips and Austin for a combined £25m and make a three more purchases in the £5m to £10m range (again depending on how they were structured) which would take our net spend north of £40m you have to think that Berahino would probably be sold.

Personally I would prefer to do without Phillips and Austin and keep Berahino.


There is no way we will sign Austin now we've landed Lambert.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 01, 2015, 04:17:41 PM

There is no way we will sign Austin now we've landed Lambert.

I'm inclined to agree with you but I was just using him as an example of the sort of money that I meant when I was talking about throwing money around earlier.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 01, 2015, 04:26:24 PM

They are huge. Lambert and Berahino guarantee us a good 30 goals which will ensure a mid table finish certainly which will automatically progress us as a team / club. Berahino's value will increase further. It doesn't make sense business-wise to sell him now. Since when was Jeremy naive in business?

The appointments of both Mel and Irvine were very naive. They were huge risks that most could see were going to end in disaster. We were very lucky not to have been relegated under both.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on August 01, 2015, 10:59:13 PM
The People is reporting that Man City will next week bid for Berahino who is still a target for Spurs and Newcastle. It is inevitable that he will go and I expect us to get close to our rumoured asking price of £25m
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 01, 2015, 11:15:37 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-city-eye-saido-berahino-6178755


The Baggies forward has been courted by Spurs and Newcastle this summer, but following a 4-2 loss at Stuttgart, Manuel Pellegrini wants to add to his striking options
 
Manchester City are set to gazump their rivals and sign Saido Berahino, reports Neil Moxley in the Sunday People.

And, after the debacle in Stuttgart last night, the ­arrival of the West Brom striker cannot come soon enough.

Raheem Sterling and Co were on the receiving end as the pressure was cranked up on boss Manuel Pellegrini ahead of next weekend’s big Premier League kick-off.

Albion fielded enquiries from the Etihad this week, with the Champions League qualifiers asking to be kept abreast of interested rivals amid reports that Newcastle were set to make a bid.

Spurs are long-standing admirers of the frontman, too, but news that moneybags City are now in the hunt should ensure they win the race for the 21-year-old, who scored 14 Premier League goals last season.

It is understood the Baggies want a fee in the region of £25million for the England Under-21 star.

But one target who is now off City’s radar is Everton’s John Stones, leaving Manchester United and Chelsea to fight it out for the England defender


If the above has any truth in it which of course it may not this really is a game changer. Spurs are one thing but City are a whole different kettle of fish. Although I do laugh that the obvious solution to shipping four goals is to go out and sign a striker I think they might want to try and get Lescott back.

Frankly this truly knackers what was starting to look like a reasonable summer. Even armed with £25m in this current fevered market there is no guarantee we will get a replacement of similar quality
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 01, 2015, 11:19:13 PM
The People is reporting that Man City will next week bid for Berahino who is still a target for Spurs and Newcastle. It is inevitable that he will go and I expect us to get close to our rumoured asking price of £25m

The Mirror have it also stating that City have enquires about him this week. In a way any interest from City will at least push his price through the roof, forget about them reportedly wanting £25m they will want well over £30m if they are involved.

I believe he would be better off staying here for another season to improve a little further then the big boys will be swooping for him next summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 01, 2015, 11:41:25 PM
The Mirror have it also stating that City have enquires about him this week. In a way any interest from City will at least push his price through the roof, forget about them reportedly wanting £25m they will want well over £30m if they are involved.

I believe he would be better off staying here for another season to improve a little further then the big boys will be swooping for him next summer.

I think it's inevitable that he will be gone shortly. I agree that it's more likely to be £30m-plus with City involved.  My worry is that he will warm the bench at City but that's not our problem once they've coughed up.

The big issue is of course what we would do with £30m available to replace him. Apart from Charlie Austin for £15m, who else out there should be on our target list?


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 01, 2015, 11:46:10 PM
That is why goal scorers are worth their weight in gold as they are so bloody hard to find and we have already come to realise this summer our standing in the game when it comes to attracting top players is still very low.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2015, 11:52:25 PM
No panic.
We have Lambert, Ideye, Anichebi . All waiting to step forward.
Take Man city's money and run.
He will be a small fish in a big pool, there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 01, 2015, 11:52:43 PM
That is why goal scorers are worth their weight in gold as they are so bloody hard to find and we have already come to realise this summer our standing in the game when it comes to attracting top players is still very low.

Agreed.  That's what really worries me. We could have to really gamble on a foreign striker with no PL experience.

I'd probably rather go for Austin and Hernandez

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on August 01, 2015, 11:57:15 PM
In many ways, the two significant clubs (Man City & Spurs) that seem to
be courting Saido, probably work in our favour. Option A - join the 'nearly men' of Spurs and more than likely become a 'nearly man'......or option B - join a club in City, where he will more than likely end up frustrated as nothing more than a great prospect of a bench warmer......however these success buying self indulgents will more than likely pay over the odds to offer him the privilege!! Surely the only real move forward for him would be United or Arsenal.....the only teams I believe where he would truly flourish and grow. It a bit of cat and mouse really - if he goes to the two clubs previously mentioned, money is likely to me the main motive. You could argue that he has the chance of a league winners medal at City....well 'bravo' if he only starts 9 games that season!! I like the lad but worry that a big enough bid from either team would only leave one winner.......us!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 02, 2015, 12:20:50 AM
In many ways, the two significant clubs (Man City & Spurs) that seem to
be courting Saido, probably work in our favour. Option A - join the 'nearly men' of Spurs and more than likely become a 'nearly man'......or option B - join a club in City, where he will more than likely end up frustrated as nothing more than a great prospect of a bench warmer......however these success buying self indulgents will more than likely pay over the odds to offer him the privilege!! Surely the only real move forward for him would be United or Arsenal.....the only teams I believe where he would truly flourish and grow. It a bit of cat and mouse really - if he goes to the two clubs previously mentioned, money is likely to me the main motive. You could argue that he has the chance of a league winners medal at City....well 'bravo' if he only starts 9 games that season!! I like the lad but worry that a big enough bid from either team would only leave one winner.......us!

I'm not sure that would "worry" me. Saido can look after himself.   My worry is how we replace his goals, even with £30m in the bank.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 02, 2015, 12:32:34 AM
If he goes, it's a spanner in the works.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on August 02, 2015, 12:41:27 AM
If he goes, it's a spanner in the works.

Try starting with Austin and Phillips, then have a think about how many goals anther 7-10 mil may buy ya!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 02, 2015, 12:44:18 AM
Saido's development as a player will come to a juddering halt if he goes anywhere that will not give him the game time he will get here. Financially it is a no-brainer for him but even that is short term they will pay a hell of a lot more for him if he has another good season with us and particularly if he signed a new deal. I am sure he will move eventually to a top team but the closer he is to the finished article he is when he goes the better chance he will have to succeed and the better deal he will be able to cut when he goes.

From the club's perspective even if we are able to get £30m for him not only is there a lack of obvious targets but as soon as the selling club knows we have the money and are truly desperate to sign a striker the price goes up. Remy and Austin and that's it for the English market, Rhodes perhaps otherwise we are heading overseas. There are strikers available particularly if we are prepared to throw £15 to £20m at the problem but frankly at this point I would much rather keep Saido.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 02, 2015, 01:54:39 AM
Try starting with Austin and Phillips, then have a think about how many goals anther 7-10 mil may buy ya!
Money means nowt. We know what Saido can do in our team. Anybody else is just a gamble. Leave it much later, then it becomes a desperate and expensive gamble.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 02, 2015, 02:24:19 AM
Keep Saido for this season. If he gets 20-25 goals in all comps his value will only go higher and we'll sell then. Apparently we will even get cash for him when his contract runs out like Burnley did with Ings. His goals and thus our staying are worth the money easily for us.

Him an TP seem to get on great, TP talks about him in a very active way, I doin he'd sell Saido unless the money was massive and like Standaman says, at that point you may a well keep the in house talent.

I believe Spurs and Man city want him, but all this talk of it being a done deal and it being as good as done is bull In my opinion. I expect Saido to be playing for us come September.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 02, 2015, 02:49:30 AM
 OK while someone with better research skills than me could probably prove one way or the other...

I just have the feeling that the "person/group" who first reported this Man City link was also the same person/group to initially fire up Spurs public interest in Saido (and then fan the flames)..

AND was also the main proposer of the "Sterling out of Liverpool" campaign....

So who exactly is pushing this along....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on August 02, 2015, 07:33:55 AM
I was confident that we could keep him out of the clutches of Spurs and Newcastle but Man City and their resources are a different monster. As soon as an offer meets our valuation then he's off and Man City are more likely to do that. He won't care about his development. He'll quadruple his wages.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pete on August 02, 2015, 07:53:44 AM
Surely it depends on OUR ambition of what the club want & not the money he is currently worth. 

If Albion want to be in Europe (dont care how) then dont sell him unless you can replace the goals with a £10 million striker (Idey to step up?) and then utilise the extra £15-20 million on the team  :-X .

Or

Keep the bloke, let him score for fun whilst finishing learning his trade and do what Spurs did with Bale, his price rocketed in 1 season to an extortionate price!

Option B every day!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 02, 2015, 07:54:20 AM
If we were to get anything around the £30 million mark mabye we could look toward bids on Austin and N'Doye, perhaps even considering Ideye as a part exchange. Anichebe I think will prove an unmovable item in every sense of the word.  Personally I'd prefer for Berahino to stay as I think there will be a productive partnership there with Lambert.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on August 02, 2015, 08:07:56 AM
I was confident Saido would be with us next season, but the Man City link concerns me. Not least beacuse it comes from Neil Moxley who is usually pretty accurate about all things Albion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 02, 2015, 08:44:08 AM
I think if Man City come-a-knocking it would probably be a once in a lifetime opportunity that SB could not turn down.

All the other clubs reportedly interested I think the club and SB could resist, but not City I fear.

Does anyone know if there are any City players that they want to get rid of that we could potentially include in a deal? Preferably, strikers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 02, 2015, 08:57:30 AM
If City do want him and he goes then he can kiss goodbye to any hope of going to the Euro's next year. He needs game time and if he goes there he will end up like Bony and never play.

My personal opinion is that just like the Spurs story it's a load of nonsense. These stories seem to break in the papers every Sunday morning and have no basis whatsoever. Must be a slow news week...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Xpresso on August 02, 2015, 09:04:07 AM
Swap deal for Bony maybe? £20m plus Bony, now that sort of deal is right up JP's street.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 02, 2015, 09:08:06 AM
If City do want him and he goes then he can kiss goodbye to any hope of going to the Euro's next year. He needs game time and if he goes there he will end up like Bony and never play.

My personal opinion is that just like the Spurs story it's a load of nonsense. These stories seem to break in the papers every Sunday morning and have no basis whatsoever. Must be a slow news week...

To be fair I think there is substance to the story exactly as it is written, they have an interest and have been asked to be kept informed of any developments with other clubs and quite frankly there probably won't be anything to tell them.

If they firm up their interest we will struggle to hold on to him but I would like to see us hold very firm and keep him until next summer at least.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 02, 2015, 09:12:05 AM
I was confident that we could keep him out of the clutches of Spurs and Newcastle but Man City and their resources are a different monster. As soon as an offer meets our valuation then he's off and Man City are more likely to do that. He won't care about his development. He'll quadruple his wages.

I don't think they would meet our valuation this summer if they made any bids as JP will play hard ball as he knows how important this season is and you don't want to risk selling your prized asset when there is a massive TV deal at stake. It's ok having millions in the bank but it's hard enough to get players in for our budget without them suddenly costing a few million more as they know you have the cash from that sale.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Blowee on August 02, 2015, 09:32:37 AM
Would really like him to stay and have a great season scoring a hat full of goals. We would inevitably lose him next summer but could plan for a whole year how to replace him. Hopefully there would be plenty of bidders and the fact that he would only have one year left on his contract wouldn't affect the price by too much. On the other hand if we get a silly bid this week - £30m plus I would sell. He's only one player - he could get injured in our first game - he may be ineffective this year. We could sign Austin and Philips with the cash and still have change to take a punt on another semi-proven player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on August 02, 2015, 09:40:16 AM
I agree with Floydy, Neil Moxley is usually pretty good when it comes to Albion (and midlands football in general)

If City come calling i think he will go, they can pay what we appear to want without batting an eyelid, its another level in terms of class and football too, Spurs will probably have another nearly season as usual and Newcastle are no better than us.

I know City need to sign players for their British quota, does anybody know if they sign somebody then loan them back, does that qualify? I wondered if they signed Berahino, loan him back for a year, we get £25m and him for another season, City fill their quota and have a player playing every week, he gets the incentive of if he has another good season he can rival their first team and gives him more chance for the Euro's.

All the above said, i dont want him to go, just thinking of possible positives if he does.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 02, 2015, 09:54:56 AM

I know City need to sign players for their British quota, does anybody know if they sign somebody then loan them back, does that qualify? I wondered if they signed Berahino, loan him back for a year, we get £25m and him for another season, City fill their quota and have a player playing every week, he gets the incentive of if he has another good season he can rival their first team and gives him more chance for the Euro's.

All the above said, i dont want him to go, just thinking of possible positives if he does.

I believe it is against the rules for a Premier League player to be sold and then loaned to another Premier League club in the same transfer window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on August 02, 2015, 09:55:08 AM
I agree with Floydy, Neil Moxley is usually pretty good when it comes to Albion (and midlands football in general)

If City come calling i think he will go, they can pay what we appear to want without batting an eyelid, its another level in terms of class and football too, Spurs will probably have another nearly season as usual and Newcastle are no better than us.

I know City need to sign players for their British quota, does anybody know if they sign somebody then loan them back, does that qualify? I wondered if they signed Berahino, loan him back for a year, we get £25m and him for another season, City fill their quota and have a player playing every week, he gets the incentive of if he has another good season he can rival their first team and gives him more chance for the Euro's.

All the above said, i dont want him to go, just thinking of possible positives if he does.

No, that can't happen. The player counts towards the team he is registered to play for. So if he's on loan to us, he counts towards our home-grown rule. EDIT: also what B_H has said is correct, si the above paragraph is a moot point

If City come in, someone needs to have a word because he's not going to displace Aguero or Bony, though they have got rid of Dzeko and Jovetic, so maybe going there as a no. 3 striker is a possibility.

Either way he's better off with us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 02, 2015, 09:57:39 AM
Would really like him to stay and have a great season scoring a hat full of goals. We would inevitably lose him next summer but could plan for a whole year how to replace him. Hopefully there would be plenty of bidders and the fact that he would only have one year left on his contract wouldn't affect the price by too much. On the other hand if we get a silly bid this week - £30m plus I would sell. He's only one player - he could get injured in our first game - he may be ineffective this year. We could sign Austin and Philips with the cash and still have change to take a punt on another semi-proven player.

On the subject of the potential price with just a year remaining on his contract next summer I truly believe that if he is still here when the deadline passes he will sign a new deal quite quickly to make him one of our highest earners. I expect any new deal to have some kind of release clause added for next year but one that would hopefully suit both parties.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 02, 2015, 10:00:01 AM
At the end of the day, we have no reason to sell him at the minute and therefore have no need to put a valuation on him for someone to meet. If people want to put offers in they can, we can't stop them, but we have no need to accept them. If someone is stupid enough to put a really silly offer in though. ...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 02, 2015, 10:02:08 AM
On the subject of the potential price with just a year remaining on his contract next summer I truly believe that if he is still here when the deadline passes he will sign a new deal quite quickly to make him one of our highest earners. I expect any new deal to have some kind of release clause added for next year but one that would hopefully suit both parties.
I struggle with the concept of release clauses. The value of the clause rarely reflects the value of the player at the time the clause is invoked.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Big Al on August 02, 2015, 10:07:53 AM
At the end of the day it will depend on what the player wants, just like Sterling but hopefully in a less public way. Man City desperately need home based players for Chumps League, they are not going to buy dross for that.
The decision will depend on the players desire to develop or earn money, it will be a tough choice for him. If he stays and gets a career threatening injury he loses if he has a great season then he will have a bigger choice of club and wages.
 Jovetic at City is a prime example of a player spending two years on the bench or in the stands then moving on, waste of two years playing time but a wealthy man.
Could Berahino be the next Wayne Bridge ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Blowee on August 02, 2015, 10:17:59 AM
I struggle with the concept of release clauses. The value of the clause rarely reflects the value of the player at the time the clause is invoked.
Accepted but the release clause is a minimum value that the seller puts on something - if the clause is triggered a auction can follow and the player is then sold to the highest bidder. If it means we get to keep Saido for another season with the ability to command a good fee next summer but he gets to sign a contract that pays him what he is worth without losing the flexibility to move on easily then it suits both parties.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Noty Bromway on August 02, 2015, 10:25:13 AM
Yeah Citys home grown quota is the worry, they have Hart, Clichy, sterling, delph and wright so need three more by my calculations  :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 02, 2015, 10:30:39 AM
A release clause basically is a pre agreed price for the player once a buyer triggers the clause the choice is then down to the player. Obviously a player can be sold less than the clause at the clubs discretion and the player would still be a free agent if the contract expires.

The best we can hope for is that we tough this window out get him to sign a deal with a release clause in at say £35m he trebles his earnings this year and doubles them again next year when one of the bigger clubs triggers the release clause. Unfortunately City seem to have a pressing need for home grown talent and they have let Jovetic go and seem to be close to agreeing a deal to sell Dzeko to Roma so they also need for a striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MBWBA on August 02, 2015, 10:36:14 AM
A release clause basically is a pre agreed price for the player once a buyer triggers the clause the choice is then down to the player. Obviously a player can be sold less than the clause at the clubs discretion and the player would still be a free agent if the contract expires.

The best we can hope for is that we tough this window out get him to sign a deal with a release clause in at say £35m he trebles his earnings this year and doubles them again next year when one of the bigger clubs triggers the release clause. Unfortunately City seem to have a pressing need for home grown talent and they have let Jovetic go and seem to be close to agreeing a deal to sell Dzeko to Roma so they also need for a striker.
The key word in your statement is 'need'. They need a striker, they need to fill their quota. We don't need to sell, so we have the upper hand in this case surely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on August 02, 2015, 10:42:38 AM
With them moving on Jovetic and Dzeko they have room in the squad for an English forward.

They already have 4 English players needed for the Champions League quota so they're not too desperate. It would just do them a favour to bring in another English qualified player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 02, 2015, 10:45:14 AM
We don't need to sell, so we have the upper hand in this case surely.
A seemingly advantageous position can soon change if a player becomes unsettled and/or hands in a transfer request.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MBWBA on August 02, 2015, 11:24:59 AM
A seemingly advantageous position can soon change if a player becomes unsettled and/or hands in a transfer request.
I wouldn't be surprised if he has an unwritten agreement in place that if a so called 'top 4 club' bids big enough he can go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RogerBadoo on August 02, 2015, 11:26:32 AM
I just don't see him not moving. With City interested and Spurs as well I am sure he'll be gone come September. The big question for me is how much and do we avoid leaving it until the final day and end up with Ideye, Vic and Lambert. I would sell big and sell early.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on August 02, 2015, 11:40:38 AM
Accepted but the release clause is a minimum value that the seller puts on something - if the clause is triggered a auction can follow and the player is then sold to the highest bidder. If it means we get to keep Saido for another season with the ability to command a good fee next summer but he gets to sign a contract that pays him what he is worth without losing the flexibility to move on easily then it suits both parties.

It doesn't work like that, the minimum fee cannot be rejected by the selling club so everyone would just bid the minimum as anything above that would not be needed. Then it would be up to the player who he wants to join and the club would have no influence on this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 02, 2015, 11:53:24 AM
There is a deadline to register players for the champions league I think  - anyone know when this date is as it would influence when Man City would ideally like to buy Saido if reports are true. If its going to happen I think the sooner the better as it could well effect His performances early season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: graka on August 02, 2015, 12:09:14 PM
I hope he stays and signs a new contract but I can see his head being turned by city. I would hope we also have looked into suitable replacements and there price to avoid the price being pumped up if we do pick up a big windfall. The one similar player I like and who would be available is Dwight Gayle from palace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MBWBA on August 02, 2015, 12:16:14 PM
I hope he stays and signs a new contract but I can see his head being turned by city. I would hope we also have looked into suitable replacements and there price to avoid the price being pumped up if we do pick up a big windfall. The one similar player I like and who would be available is Dwight Gayle from palace.

Who else do you think fits into the same kind of player category at Bera?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 02, 2015, 12:34:39 PM
30 million min and loan him back for a season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigCyrille1975 on August 02, 2015, 12:35:39 PM
There is a deadline to register players for the champions league I think  - anyone know when this date is as it would influence when Man City would ideally like to buy Saido if reports are true. If its going to happen I think the sooner the better as it could well effect His performances early season.

Player must be registered by midnight September 1st to be eligible for group stages.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on August 02, 2015, 12:41:57 PM
30 million min and loan him back for a season

It's been established that Premier League clubs can't do those types of deals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 02, 2015, 12:46:26 PM
most city fans i read saying hes not good enough for them, third divison what only 10 years ago, maybe more
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 02, 2015, 12:48:34 PM
most city fans i read saying hes not good enough for them

If they think that then fine by me, presumably they wont be too upset if he doesn't go to them.
 :).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on August 02, 2015, 12:55:45 PM
£30M please, the sterling deal has boosted the price of young English players even more, city can't complain it's their own fault. So £30M to match their bid for Bony plus the fact Saido is young and English.

Use that £30M for Austin, Remy and Phillips please
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 02, 2015, 12:59:48 PM
£30M please, the sterling deal has boosted the price of young English players even more, city can't complain it's their own fault. So £30M to match their bid for Bony plus the fact Saido is young and English.

Use that £30M for Austin, Remy and Phillips please


Absolutely spot on
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 02, 2015, 01:14:55 PM
most city fans i read saying hes not good enough for them, third divison what only 10 years ago, maybe more

In all honesty, at this time, I would have to agree with them and that's another reason why he should stay with us and complete his footballing education
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on August 02, 2015, 01:20:00 PM
Sold Jovetic and Dzeko on the verge of joining Roma.

Aguero injury prone and Bony has looked out his depth for them.

Don't be surprised as that'll leave them with 2 strikers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 02, 2015, 01:23:52 PM
most city fans i read saying hes not good enough for them, third divison what only 10 years ago, maybe more

And I agree with them, surely man city can sign a striker who has already played in the champions league such as benzema? Instead of going for a striker from a lower/bottom 6 striker from a premiership team for about the same amount
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on August 02, 2015, 01:25:38 PM
And I agree with them, surely man city can sign a striker who has already played in the champions league such as benzema? Instead of going for a striker from a lower/bottom 6 striker from a premiership team for about the same amount

 crucial thing is saido is english!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MICKYMEL on August 02, 2015, 01:34:33 PM
IF Saido goes and IF we could prize away Austin and Phillips  with the proceeds would that be a bad deal??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on August 02, 2015, 02:02:40 PM
IF Saido goes and IF we could prize away Austin and Phillips  with the proceeds would that be a bad deal??
I'd be fairly pleased with that. We'd effectively be swapping a solid goalscorer for one with a very similar record, plus a proven winger.
I think our problem for the past two seasons is our over-reliance on both Berahino and Sessegnon for any attack/goals, which needs to be gradually phased out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 02, 2015, 02:12:04 PM
£30M please, the sterling deal has boosted the price of young English players even more, city can't complain it's their own fault. So £30M to match their bid for Bony plus the fact Saido is young and English.

Use that £30M for Austin, Remy and Phillips please

Yep, works for me.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 02, 2015, 02:13:05 PM
IF Saido goes and IF we could prize away Austin and Phillips  with the proceeds would that be a bad deal??

I think it would be a poor deal. Berahino for me should be measured against Luke Shaw, a full back. Saido is a proven PL goalscorer, gotta be worth more than Shaw. Phillips has had 3 good months and Austin has only done it for one season. I'm not sure many Albion fans realise quite how good a player we have on our hands here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 02, 2015, 02:14:33 PM
I hope he stays and signs a new contract but I can see his head being turned by city. I would hope we also have looked into suitable replacements and there price to avoid the price being pumped up if we do pick up a big windfall. The one similar player I like and who would be available is Dwight Gayle from palace.
I agree about Gayle, and cannot believe what I read somewhere today, about him going on loan to Fulham !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 02, 2015, 02:24:18 PM
IF Saido goes and IF we could prize away Austin and Phillips  with the proceeds would that be a bad deal??

IF it were to happen I don't think it would be a BAD deal, but I don't necessarily think it would be a GOOD deal in the longer term either.

To my mind Saido is already a better all round player than Austin, plus being younger he has more time for further improvement.

As for Phillips, while he has his attributes I honestly believe that he is over hyped.

(This post was self edited after reading it back   :) )
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on August 02, 2015, 02:37:06 PM
Got to keep him , would be foolish to sell him. Give him a new contract 50 or 60 grand a week should do as that would be the sort of contract that a Austin or similar would want. Under pulis he's got his head sorted and I believe that he will be a good bet for twenty goals this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 02, 2015, 03:57:39 PM
Heard the wolley with the brolley might be after him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 02, 2015, 04:06:55 PM
Heard the wolley with the brolley might be after him?

Why would he want to go there?
That's not a step up from us.
Having said that I bet old JP is rubbing his fingerless gloves together, just what we want. A bidding War  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 02, 2015, 04:55:53 PM
It's been established that Premier League clubs can't do those types of deals.
was zaha loaned back to palace in the champiship or the Prem?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 02, 2015, 05:01:17 PM
was zaha loaned back to palace in the champiship or the Prem?

I think Zaha was loaned back when Palace got back to the Premier League but the rule is a player can't be sold to a Premier League club and then loaned to a Premier League club in the same transfer window.

The rule states: "A Temporary transfer to a club may not take place in the Transfer Window in which the Transferor Club acquired the Player's registration."
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 02, 2015, 05:06:09 PM
I think it would be a poor deal. Berahino for me should be measured against Luke Shaw, a full back. Saido is a proven PL goalscorer, gotta be worth more than Shaw. Phillips has had 3 good months and Austin has only done it for one season. I'm not sure many Albion fans realise quite how good a player we have on our hands here.

I think we all know how good he is, and I would love nothing more than to have a great season out of him, but the rumours have started now and the player will eventually become unsettled regardless. So we now have to start considering options....Saido will leave us unfortunately, because he is that good. We have to make the most of having him around now, but we also have to think about life without Saido.......

I thin
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 02, 2015, 05:14:49 PM
Heard the wolley with the brolley might be after him?

Mclaren is a whalley not a wolley, that what he puts on his head to make him look a bigger whalley.  :P :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 02, 2015, 05:18:19 PM
Why would he want to go there?
That's not a step up from us.
Having said that I bet old JP is rubbing his fingerless gloves together, just what we want. A bidding War  :D

Trouble it is not a bidding war is it? It's Newcastle scratching around with a bid and Man City with a proper bid game over. We need Chelsea or Man United to get involved for it turn into a bidding war. I have to say Chelsea looked pretty toothless without Costa today and United are short of a striker. By tomorrow that will be in the Mirror :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on August 02, 2015, 05:20:41 PM
Mclaren is a whalley not a wolley, that what he puts on his head to make him look a bigger whalley.  :P :P

I thought he was a Wally
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIE5 on August 02, 2015, 07:21:09 PM
That fissler reporter still admant that he's going spurs and that we want fazio aswel.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 02, 2015, 08:54:51 PM
I'd ask for £35 million, and then say it's dependent on us getting Phillips and Austin (or another striker). Maybe then City would send a player out on loan to somebody to grease the wheels a bit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: graka on August 02, 2015, 11:37:13 PM
Who else do you think fits into the same kind of player category at Bera?
young,pacey,goalscorer and English not many more, maybe afobe ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 03, 2015, 06:19:47 AM
young,pacey,goalscorer and English not many more, maybe afobe ?

TBH I was hoping and praying we'd snatch this kid
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 03, 2015, 07:06:22 AM
just heard on Talksport a Manchester news sports writer say hes not expecting them to move for Berahino unles they get him for next to nothing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 03, 2015, 07:08:07 AM
Probably realise that they have paid way over the top for Sterling and are looking to recoup their layout with a cut price bargain..... tight wads!

Its not as though they cannot afford him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 03, 2015, 07:34:16 AM
just hear on Talksport a Manchester news sports writer say hes not expecting them to move for Berahino unles they get him for next to nothing

They obviously don't know JP
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 03, 2015, 08:49:05 AM
TBH I was hoping and praying we'd snatch this kid

Me too, and not just because it would really upset them down the road.  Really rate this lad
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 03, 2015, 09:11:21 AM
I expect Berahino to sign a new contract shortly, I also expect him to move on in 18/24 months, I think he has learned a lot from Stirlings mistakes and the good influences of Fletcher and Pulis.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Cantello on August 04, 2015, 10:09:01 AM
Anyone else get the feeling we're being buttered up ready for bad news?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/should-west-brom-sell-saido-9784413 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/should-west-brom-sell-saido-9784413)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on August 04, 2015, 10:29:41 AM
Anyone else get the feeling we're being buttered up ready for bad news?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/should-west-brom-sell-saido-9784413 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/should-west-brom-sell-saido-9784413)

Personally I think the Mail is a God awful rag that is publishing increasing numbers of these fluff pieces consisting of speculation, gossip or basic fantasy nonsense. I wouldn't believe them if they told me the sun would rise tomorrow.

Having said that though, if the money is right, he'll go, new contract negotiations or not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: joeymayo on August 04, 2015, 10:36:32 AM
Said this in previous posts regarding the Birmingham Mail, its owner is the Mirror Trinity Group, and its editorial policy to follow its natural leader - The Daily Mirror. A lot of posters continually comment about how tosh some of the stories are. If its in the Mirror it will be in the Mail - and if its in the Mail then it will be in the mirror.
Trinity Mirror own a lot of regional newspapers around the country, they harp on about how they follow the Labour party and looking after the working man. Have a look where the Birmingham Mail is now produced. There is a print plant and regional offices but the majority of the work is now done in India and sent back via wire to print here.
Hypocrites
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 04, 2015, 10:57:01 AM
Happy Birthday Saido.
22 today.
 :).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 04, 2015, 11:20:51 AM
I think Man City are in watch this space mode, if anyone makes a bid of 25m plus they become active if not leave Saido where he is and come in during next window / next year.

This gives them opportunity to watch his progression and look at other options, they will only take the plunge if absolutely necessary to stop their competitors getting him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MBWBA on August 04, 2015, 11:26:13 AM
I think Man City are in watch this space mode, if anyone makes a bid of 25m plus they become active if not leave Saido where he is and come in during next window / next year.

This gives them opportunity to watch his progression and look at other options, they will only take the plunge if absolutely necessary to stop their competitors getting him.

This makes the most sense. I still think United may test the water later in the window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 04, 2015, 11:35:36 AM
Anyone else get the feeling we're being buttered up ready for bad news?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/should-west-brom-sell-saido-9784413 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/should-west-brom-sell-saido-9784413)

No I think it's the mail who just have nothing Vetter to report
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on August 04, 2015, 11:37:12 AM
Whilst the Birmingham Mail is definitely a rag, I can't help but agree with them on this. Don't get me wrong, I don't want Berahino to go, but if he did I don't think it would send us down. Pulis will not be dependant on him and will have it sufficiently covered.
Can't remember the Mail asking the same thing about Villa coping without Benteke, perhaps that's because they knew the answer.  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stoxman on August 05, 2015, 08:24:41 PM
most city fans i read saying hes not good enough for them, third divison what only 10 years ago, maybe more

I would agree with them.  Having won the PL league, their next ambition must be to win the Champion's League. With the backing they have had, that must be the goal.  To achieve that they must realistically look to beat the best in Europe. When you look at top, top strike forces, Berahino just looks completely out of place.

Barca: Messi, Suarez, Neymar
Real Madrid: Ronaldo, Benzema
B Munich: Lewandowski, Muller
PSG: Ibrahimovich, Cavani
Man City: Aguero, Bony, Berahino

Of course, all teams have back up players who can play cup games and easier games to give stars a rest but honestly, is Berahino the sort of standard that Man City should be aiming for if they want to be Galacticos...?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 05, 2015, 08:36:24 PM
Spuds are desperate for a striker. Man Utd have put another bid in for Kane.

I can see Kane to Manu for £45m

Saido to Spuds for £25m

Then we go for Austin & Phillips for £25m

Job done. :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2015, 08:38:48 PM
Spuds are desperate for a striker. Man Utd have put another bid in for Kane.

I can see Kane to Manu for £45m

Saido to Spuds for £25m

Then we go for Austin & Phillips for £25m

Job done. :)

There is no way Peace would let Berahino go for £25 million if Kane has just fetched 45, especially not to the team who received the 45.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 05, 2015, 08:39:38 PM
we cant afford to sell whatever the figure
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 05, 2015, 09:34:51 PM
Spuds are desperate for a striker. Man Utd have put another bid in for Kane.

I can see Kane to Manu for £45m

Saido to Spuds for £25m

Then we go for Austin & Phillips for £25m

Job done. :)

Job done but bit of botch. Undersells Saido over values the Phillips part of the deal and probably leaves us with a less effective squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 05, 2015, 09:43:24 PM
Interesting that the Birmingham Mail are reporting that he have had no contact from any club as of yet for the lad despite all the reports last week.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 05, 2015, 09:53:39 PM
Yeah I see they can't make up their mind which way to report so they can pretend to be "in the know"

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/saido-berahino-looks-set-stay-9799396?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 05, 2015, 09:58:59 PM
Yeah I see they can't make up their mind which way to report so they can pretend to be "in the know"

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/saido-berahino-looks-set-stay-9799396?

So basically no news is news. The headline makes it sound like he will be signing a new contract or something.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on August 05, 2015, 10:18:59 PM
I understand them reporting the story in fairness to them. Yes they have been awful this summer (the Dennis Praet contradictory stories being a classic example), but there have been lots of stories in the Sunday newspapers GUARANTEEING that a big is about to be made for between 10-15 million, only for everything to go quiet.

The local newspaper has a duty to report the stories like this and put to bed the complete and utter lies that the national newspapers are printing to sell newspapers and get internet hits in the increasingly competitive market.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 05, 2015, 10:22:33 PM
Another load of drivel from Bill Howell. The only thing I believe from his reports is the date.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 05, 2015, 10:29:36 PM
Another load of drivel from Bill Howell. The only thing I believe from his reports is the date.

His reports seriously make me miss Chris Lepkowski.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion07 on August 05, 2015, 10:40:07 PM
His reports seriously make me miss Chris Lepkowski.
I like him personally, seems good humoured and interacts well with supporters. Fact is though that the club are incredibly tight with information nowadays and the state of the newspaper industry means the Birmingham Mail as a whole has become more of a clickbait style website. The reporters are being forced to produce articles when there is really no actual news to report on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 06, 2015, 12:13:37 AM
The facts of the Berahino story have not changed throughout the summer.

1. Club does not want to sell and is eager to extend contract.
2. Player has two years left on his contract.
3. Player is in the process of getting a new agent
4. No bids received for the player.

 I'm hard pressed to spin that out to much of an article that reports developments because frankly there aren't any developments. In the absence of news I could fall back on that journalistic ploy to fill column inches the opinion piece. So here goes....

I don't think the Albion should sell Saido.

There you go.

I know it isn't quite as exciting as Saido to Spurs in 48 hours (240 hours and counting but what they heck what's a few hundred hours between friends) but I think it has integrity.

I have sympathy with the devil in this case because Bill Howell knows it's a none story because there is no story unless some bugger puts a bid in. However because the nationals keep running the story his editor will be at him to give him 250 words on the Berahino situation which is not a situation that has changed at all in the last 48 days let alone the last 48 hours or since he wrote the last piece of fluff on the subject.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2015, 11:17:50 AM
on a spuds website rumoured that hes been seen at their training facilities
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on August 08, 2015, 11:21:56 AM
They are apparently close to agreeing a free for Cameroon striker Clinton Njie, who is currently at Lyon. Would appear he may be the striker they are closing in on. I'd imagine any Saido rumours are their fans seeing the Rondon news and assuming it means we must be selling Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 08, 2015, 11:30:13 AM
I'd imagine any Saido rumours are their fans seeing the Rondon news and assuming it means we must be selling Saido.

Same as the majority of our fans by the look of it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on August 08, 2015, 11:33:39 AM
I don't get why people think he's going. We've been after a big name striker all summer to pair with him;gignac, ba, austin. We only signed lambert as we know one of big vic/ideye will be gone. If we didn't get lambert we'd be left with 3 strikers when one of vic/ideye is sold.Again, if saido leaves were back down to 3 strikers so would need to buy again!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 08, 2015, 11:37:57 AM
I don't get why people think he's going. We've been after a big name striker all summer to pair with him;gignac, ba, austin. We only signed lambert as we know one of big vic/ideye will be gone. If we didn't get lambert we'd be left with 3 strikers when one of vic/ideye is sold.Again, if saido leaves were back down to 3 strikers so would need to buy again!

How do you know that we weren't looking to replace with Saido with Gignac, Ba or Austin?  Get one of those in (or now Rondon) and then we can sell Saido?   It's perhaps just taken longer than anticipated.   The potential sale of the club may also have been a factor.  If that was completed then no need to sell Saido, but if not then we do?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 11:42:38 AM
on a spuds website rumoured that hes been seen at their training facilities

They would have to agree a fee for that to happen which they haven't so that's aload of bull on their part.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 08, 2015, 11:46:30 AM
They would have to agree a fee for that to happen which they haven't so that's aload of bull on their part.

Perhaps Odious has told him to get down to London and wait in the car park.  :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 11:57:10 AM
Perhaps Odious has told him to get down to London and wait in the car park.  :-X

Not that old chestnut.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 08, 2015, 12:19:56 PM
It is vital that the club remains in this league next season to get our slice of the pie when the new tv deal kicks in next summer. You can't gamble that by selling your biggest asset unless you are forced to like Villa were with Benteke and Delph. If anything I can see the club being a little looser with the purse strings than usual to do all they feel they can to guarantee that we remain with the big boys next season.

Money talks, no one can deny that but he is worth so much more to this club than the rumoured fees banded about in the press this summer. We are under no pressure to sell so I'm not concerned by the speculation, most of it being driven by our own supporters right now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 08, 2015, 12:39:54 PM
It is vital that the club remains in this league next season to get our slice of the pie when the new tv deal kicks in next summer. You can't gamble that by selling your biggest asset unless you are forced to like Villa were with Benteke and Delph. If anything I can see the club being a little looser with the purse strings than usual to do all they feel they can to guarantee that we remain with the big boys next season.

Money talks, no one can deny that but he is worth so much more to this club than the rumoured fees banded about in the press this summer. We are under no pressure to sell so I'm not concerned by the speculation, most of it being driven by our own supporters right now.

I think this pretty much sums it up.  The amount of money it would take for us to cover our risk in losing him would represent too  sizeable a risk to all but the richest of clubs (who probably don't need him except for home grown quotas). 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2015, 02:44:58 PM
done deal i am hearing from a tottingham fan i know :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 08, 2015, 02:48:29 PM
done deal i am hearing from a tottingham fan i know :(
with the greatest respect, I'm not going to believe "a fan". is he reliable?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 08, 2015, 02:49:53 PM
with the greatest respect, I'm not going to believe "a fan". is he reliable?
Specially after that result! Taking the pee and his retort was Saido done deal?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2015, 02:50:09 PM
IF and its a bif IF he does go then we know it will be a fee that more than benefits us as we don't want to sell and we rarely sell anyone we don't want to unless its for a massive fee and we also have to take into account the fact that the player himself maybe isn't very willing to sign a new deal so in that case now would probably be the best time to sell for the best price we can.

Would hope he does stay and sign a new deal but not always as simple as that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2015, 02:51:39 PM
Specially after that result! Taking the pee and his retort was Saido done deal?


he works for the same company as me and matchdays at the lane in corporate, he knows it winds me up so hopefully hes on the windup
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on August 08, 2015, 02:58:15 PM
Like I'm sure has been said, if he goes, he'll go on our terms - a hefty fee which is really weighted in our favour. We don't need to sell, Saido isn't angling for a move. Hopefully we keep him but if he leaves, then it will be because there's an offer too good to turn down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: matt_home1 on August 08, 2015, 03:35:58 PM
Maybe we are showing Saido that we are ambitious, thus he will sign a new contract
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on August 08, 2015, 03:43:57 PM
Like I'm sure has been said, if he goes, he'll go on our terms - a hefty fee which is really weighted in our favour. We don't need to sell, Saido isn't angling for a move. Hopefully we keep him but if he leaves, then it will be because there's an offer too good to turn down.

A good summing up there MarkW  :)

As Saido is our prize asset it is no wonder that we get jittery about losing him, leaving us wide open to rumours and wind ups.

Without being disrespectful to the other players, once we bring in a bit more competition for his talent the pressure will diminish for both him and the fans.

I think TP knows that it would be in everybody's interest for him to keep developing with us for a while.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: amathews3416 on August 08, 2015, 11:25:42 PM
This maybe my paranoia but I'm 99% sure that Berahino will be sold this window.

baggie79 said last Spring that if he doesn't sign a contract this Summer that the club would look to move him as his value would go down once he has a year left on his contract.  He has yet to sign a contract and doesn't look like it is in the works.

Pulis had this interview today where he certainly didn't rule out selling him - https://audioboom.com/boos/3449907-tony-pulis-talks-to-ian-wright-about-saido-sale

Now I'm hearing rumblings on Spurs forums that one of their top ITK (apparently this guy is the equivalent of baggie79)  is claiming Berahino is done to them.  He has supposedly has a good track record of calling transfers well before it reaches the press.

Finally, the most glaring evidence is the money we've spent thus far and breaking the transfer record on Rondon.  Just my guess, but I'm thinking a sale for Berahino has been agreed and we are keeping it quiet in order to get all of our targets bought so clubs don't inflate prices once they know we have funds from the sale. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 08, 2015, 11:37:44 PM
This maybe my paranoia but I'm 99% sure that Berahino will be sold this window.

baggie79 said last Spring that if he doesn't sign a contract this Summer that the club would look to move him as his value would go down once he has a year left on his contract.  He has yet to sign a contract and doesn't look like it is in the works.

Pulis had this interview today where he certainly didn't rule out selling him - https://audioboom.com/boos/3449907-tony-pulis-talks-to-ian-wright-about-saido-sale

Now I'm hearing rumblings on Spurs forums that one of their top ITK (apparently this guy is the equivalent of baggie79)  is claiming Berahino is done to them.  He has supposedly has a good track record of calling transfers well before it reaches the press.

Finally, the most glaring evidence is the money we've spent thus far and breaking the transfer record on Rondon.  Just my guess, but I'm thinking a sale for Berahino has been agreed and we are keeping it quiet in order to get all of our targets bought so clubs don't inflate prices once they know we have funds from the sale.

I think you are spot on.   I don't have any problem with it as long as the price is right, although I do think that a bidding war would work very much in our favour,

If we sell for £25m then we can make a lot of squad improvements and be stronger all round.  We have to be realistic.  A gem like Berahino is always going to be impossible to hold onto.





Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 11:52:59 PM
This maybe my paranoia but I'm 99% sure that Berahino will be sold this window.

baggie79 said last Spring that if he doesn't sign a contract this Summer that the club would look to move him as his value would go down once he has a year left on his contract.  He has yet to sign a contract and doesn't look like it is in the works.

Pulis had this interview today where he certainly didn't rule out selling him - https://audioboom.com/boos/3449907-tony-pulis-talks-to-ian-wright-about-saido-sale

Now I'm hearing rumblings on Spurs forums that one of their top ITK (apparently this guy is the equivalent of baggie79)  is claiming Berahino is done to them.  He has supposedly has a good track record of calling transfers well before it reaches the press.

Finally, the most glaring evidence is the money we've spent thus far and breaking the transfer record on Rondon.  Just my guess, but I'm thinking a sale for Berahino has been agreed and we are keeping it quiet in order to get all of our targets bought so clubs don't inflate prices once they know we have funds from the sale.

That's not true at all they haven't even made an enquiry let alone a bid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 09, 2015, 12:20:13 AM
I have always thought that if there was little or no chance of signing a new contract he would be sold this summer. I hoped that we would retain him and I have thought in the absence of any serious interest to date we might have him for this season even without him signing a new deal.

In these matters I suggest that it is best to follow the money and that provides the answer. At this point assuming Rondon signs we are have net spend of  little over £22m and we don't need to sell Berahino to balance the books. However if as suggested that we have not given up on Phillips (£8m) we are still in line to buy Marshall (£5m) plus a Centre Back and a Central Midfielder (remember we tried to sign Diaby) even at conservative estimate that could account for another £23m.

Assuming we can sell Sess Gamboa Pocognoli plus one of Ideye or Anichebe we generate £8 to £14m which still leave our net spend at over £30m that seems a bit rich for us so I reluctantly conclude that we will sell Saido. Personally I would move heaven and earth to keep him ditch Phillips cover one of the other positions with a loan but the inescapable conclusion is the more we spend on players the more likely we are to sell Saido.   


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieblood on August 09, 2015, 12:30:47 AM
Saido is a brilliant finisher.

If spurs can waste 27m on soldado and 30m on lemela they can pay 30m for bera.

If bera had the same quality around him like kane,  eg erikssen, he'd score more than him imo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 09, 2015, 12:44:50 AM
I have always thought that if there was little or no chance of signing a new contract he would be sold this summer. I hoped that we would retain him and I have thought in the absence of any serious interest to date we might have him for this season even without him signing a new deal.

In these matters I suggest that it is best to follow the money and that provides the answer. At this point assuming Rondon signs we are have net spend of  little over £22m and we don't need to sell Berahino to balance the books. However if as suggested that we have not given up on Phillips (£8m) we are still in line to buy Marshall (£5m) plus a Centre Back and a Central Midfielder (remember we tried to sign Diaby) even at conservative estimate that could account for another £23m.

Assuming we can sell Sess Gamboa Pocognoli plus one of Ideye or Anichebe we generate £8 to £14m which still leave our net spend at over £30m that seems a bit rich for us so I reluctantly conclude that we will sell Saido. Personally I would move heaven and earth to keep him ditch Phillips cover one of the other positions with a loan but the inescapable conclusion is the more we spend on players the more likely we are to sell Saido.   

That £30m does coincide with the extra £30m+ we have earned on TV rights for the last 3 years. That extra £90M plus stringent transfer restraints over the last several years has put us in a position where JP has finally found faith in a manager and has been happy to invest in the man in charge. No way will JP jeopardise his investment and will pump in more money than ever before as he needs this extra TV money and market values are rising. Things will crash eventually but in the meantime, we will see our transfer record broken time and time again, while we are in the Prem and while Pulis is doing his job.

JP has literally, reshaped the club around TP, with the releases of Burton, Day etc, Pulis is bringing in who he wants and JP is backing him. Rightfully so in my opinion. JP has kept things ticking over and now he has finally realised that when you get a Hodgson or a Pulis, you back them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 09, 2015, 12:51:36 AM
I really do wish people would stop putting 2 and 2 together only to get 5. Yes we are signing a striker for a high fee but that doesn't mean anything. We are signing rondon to play alongside Saido not as a replacement. Like I've said before we have received no bids for berahinio from any team Man City or Spurs included.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: amathews3416 on August 09, 2015, 12:53:41 AM
I really do wish people would stop putting 2 and 2 together only to get 5. Yes we are signing a striker for a high fee but that doesn't mean anything. We are signing rondon to play alongside Saido not as a replacement. Like I've said before we have received no bids for berahinio from any team Man City or Spurs included.

I suggest you listen to Pulis' interview from earlier today in regards to Berahino.  Wasn't exactly reassuring that he won't be sold and said that if a deal suits all parties involved it would be done.  Nobody is taking one piece of evidence based off the Rondon transfer and saying that means he is leaving, but I would suggest there is more than ample enough evidence that he will be on his way out this transfer window. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 09, 2015, 12:59:13 AM
I suggest you listen to Pulis' interview from earlier today in regards to Berahino.  Wasn't exactly reassuring that he won't be sold and said that if a deal suits all parties involved it would be done.  Nobody is taking one piece of evidence based off the Rondon transfer and saying that means he is leaving, but I would suggest there is more than ample enough evidence that he will be on his way out this transfer window.

Mate Pulis has always been of the attitude of "every player has a price but ofcourse we want to keep certain players if possible" Berahinio is no different. You can suggest for me to listen to this and that but I'm telling you amongst others that this is how things are now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 09, 2015, 01:26:42 AM
I don't think Peace is suddenly finding money that doesn't exist to back Pulis, he has never spent income before he has got it I doubt whether he would start now, besides which if he wants to sell the club the next set of results had better not be spoilt by a rash of red ink or by  loading more liabilities onto the balance sheet.

The additional TV money also has to fund an ever increasing wage bill and assuming that the club manages a profit roughly equal to the £10m that it made last year it is that money that will fund both the growth in wages and fees. Can that be pushed to cover a £30m headline net spend? Yes but £40m or £50m less likely. I am not saying that Saido will be sold but the probability grows as our own spending rises and if we were to get another striker (we are still being linked with Doumbia) it would grow considerably.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 09, 2015, 01:31:04 AM
I suggest you listen to Pulis' interview from earlier today in regards to Berahino.  Wasn't exactly reassuring that he won't be sold and said that if a deal suits all parties involved it would be done.  Nobody is taking one piece of evidence based off the Rondon transfer and saying that means he is leaving, but I would suggest there is more than ample enough evidence that he will be on his way out this transfer window.
Irvine said the same things a just under a year ago,what he says is irrelevant, as he just stating the obvious fact that if someone pays stupid money then he's yours.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2015, 03:09:40 AM
I don't think Peace is suddenly finding money that doesn't exist to back Pulis, he has never spent income before he has got it I doubt whether he would start now, besides which if he wants to sell the club the next set of results had better not be spoilt by a rash of red ink or by  loading more liabilities onto the balance sheet.


He has to loosen the purse strings a little in my opinion. Let's not forget the last two summers were pretty much completely wasted when it comes to recruitment and we are still trying to fix that mess. Then you have to take into account the fact we need to be a Premier League club for him to get his big payday. I'm certainly not saying he'll be going mad splashing the cash by any means and I expect we'll be trying our hardest to get some money back from players that aren't going to feature like Gamboa, Pocognoli and potentially Sessegnon and Ideye too so we don't have to sell our biggest asset just yet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2015, 03:12:08 AM
This maybe my paranoia but I'm 99% sure that Berahino will be sold this window.

baggie79 said last Spring that if he doesn't sign a contract this Summer that the club would look to move him as his value would go down once he has a year left on his contract.  He has yet to sign a contract and doesn't look like it is in the works.

Pulis had this interview today where he certainly didn't rule out selling him - https://audioboom.com/boos/3449907-tony-pulis-talks-to-ian-wright-about-saido-sale

Now I'm hearing rumblings on Spurs forums that one of their top ITK (apparently this guy is the equivalent of baggie79)  is claiming Berahino is done to them.  He has supposedly has a good track record of calling transfers well before it reaches the press.

Finally, the most glaring evidence is the money we've spent thus far and breaking the transfer record on Rondon.  Just my guess, but I'm thinking a sale for Berahino has been agreed and we are keeping it quiet in order to get all of our targets bought so clubs don't inflate prices once they know we have funds from the sale. 

How are we supposed to negotiate a new contract with him if he is currently between agents?

Pulis couldn't possibly rule out a transfer. He knows the score, everyone has their price but the question is will someone offer us a price we find acceptable?

As for the money being spent, most transfers are structured in a way that you don't pay the full fee in a lump sum so our potential transfer record with Rondon isn't likely to be as much as the club will make out just like Ideye. Then consider that we have been making a profit the last few seasons so there is some leeway there although admittedly most of that will be eaten up by wages. There will be other players we will actively seek to sell to help us try and balance the books before we let our main asset leave.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2015, 03:25:57 AM
I still firmly believe he will still be here when the window closes. I expect a club or two may come in for him late on but I would also expect it to take an absolutely massive bid for us to let him go and I'm talking North of £30m as he's worth much more to us at the moment.

I think once the window closes he will agree a new contract to give him a big pay rise for now but I expect any deal will have a minimum fee release clause that will hopefully suit all parties. Then he can concentrate on improving as a footballer and then earn his big move in the not too distant future.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 09, 2015, 07:13:23 AM
Somethings going on I think hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 09, 2015, 07:22:03 AM
Don't forget that our latest accounts showed a £14m profit and there's no reason why that couldn't go into the transfer kitty on top of this year's allocation. Having said that, we're still after other players so selling Berahino can't entirely be ruled out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: buzzingbaggie on August 09, 2015, 07:34:24 AM
I wouldn't be surprised either way, but hope he stays as we have the makings of a top 8 strike force with him.

How does berahino not having an agent affect him talking to other clubs?

Some chat on Spurs forum saying it's a deal and to be announced after the weekend.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on August 09, 2015, 08:56:39 AM
Saido going is down to £££££ plain & simple both for himself & the club.
I wonder if the anonymous buyer of the club suspended himself till after the season had started to save ££££ in transfer fee's & told JP that they would back a certain sized war chest. ??? Just a thought.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adamstv on August 09, 2015, 09:34:16 AM
If Everton are wanting £34m for Stones it is up to a club to pay it if they want him. I don't know how long he has left on his contract on a like for like basis I think berahino is worth £30m in this market.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on August 09, 2015, 09:49:10 AM
£25m and snap their hands off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 09, 2015, 09:55:33 AM
Saido Berahino is staying at West Bromwich Albion.
FACT!

I know this to be true because a very strange thing happened this morning, bear with me as I take you on a little journey.

Rather than partaking of my usual morning tipple of Nescafe with Demerara, I opted for the cleansing qualities of Green Tea. While brewing said Tea the bag split open spilling leaves into the boiling cauldron.

Undeterred I drank it anyway, but when I looked into the bottom of the cup the leaves had fallen into the shape of Berahino’s smile.
 :o.

Being related to the fairy folk on the Irish side of the family (I am sure that at least one of them will have kissed the Blarney Stone too), I took this as a good omen!
 8).

Don’t knock it gents as I have about as much chance of being right on this one as any of you.
 :) ;).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on August 09, 2015, 10:13:01 AM
I have always thought that if there was little or no chance of signing a new contract he would be sold this summer. I hoped that we would retain him and I have thought in the absence of any serious interest to date we might have him for this season even without him signing a new deal.

In these matters I suggest that it is best to follow the money and that provides the answer. At this point assuming Rondon signs we are have net spend of  little over £22m and we don't need to sell Berahino to balance the books. However if as suggested that we have not given up on Phillips (£8m) we are still in line to buy Marshall (£5m) plus a Centre Back and a Central Midfielder (remember we tried to sign Diaby) even at conservative estimate that could account for another £23m.

Assuming we can sell Sess Gamboa Pocognoli plus one of Ideye or Anichebe we generate £8 to £14m which still leave our net spend at over £30m that seems a bit rich for us so I reluctantly conclude that we will sell Saido. Personally I would move heaven and earth to keep him ditch Phillips cover one of the other positions with a loan but the inescapable conclusion is the more we spend on players the more likely we are to sell Saido.   

That is how I think at the moment. However I don't think Sess, Gamboa, Poco and one of Ideye or Anichebe will fetch 8m!
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieblood on August 09, 2015, 10:24:30 AM
Surely the donkeys on blackpool beach are knackereda
 in this weather suerly a deal can be done for anichebe.

Then again a half dead donkey is still fitter than sicknote.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 09, 2015, 10:32:32 AM
That is how I think at the moment. However I don't think Sess, Gamboa, Poco and one of Ideye or Anichebe will fetch 8m!

I was going on an average £2m each except for Ideye who I would hope to get £6m for.  If we accept that fees in general have gone up a gear this summer then I would hope we could realise that type of money if we can't then it is another factor pointing to the sale of Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on August 09, 2015, 10:41:04 AM
I was going on an average £2m each except for Ideye who I would hope to get £6m for.  If we accept that fees in general have gone up a gear this summer then I would hope we could realise that type of money if we can't then it is another factor pointing to the sale of Berahino.

I don't think its miles off. £2m for Sess is probably true, but Gamboa and Poco only cost 2m and its clear they have no future here so nobody is going to pay us that much. Expect we would accept loses with those two.   

Ideye is a strange one. If he really didn't cost much more than a couple of million with a load of add ons, then I don't think we can expect anything else in return. Depends on the truth behind his '10m' tag.  The rumours of Qatar in January were about 3-4m though I think.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 09, 2015, 11:04:45 AM
I accept that I know very little when it comes to the financial side of football as probably most don't either.

But surely:

Chester - 8
Lambert - 3
McClean - 1.5
Rondon - 15
Gnabry - loan

Even if those are maximums and we shaved a few million off. You're still talking 25 million. I'd have expected 25-30 million would be our kitty for this summer excluding outgoings.

Dorrans - 3
Mulumbu - free (freeing up wages)
Davidson - free

And some youth players, which is Irrelevant keeps us on 20 plus.

So if we was to get in around 8 for Anichebe, Brown, Gamboa, Pocognoli and Sess, assuming not all will be sold. That would theoretically take us back down to around 15, so far. So it's possible with outgoings we could keep Saido and still have a decent sum in the kitty for 1 or 2 more.

A loan for liverpools left back, Fazio if out of favour could be a cheap option.

I don't expect to see many big signings IF Rondon does come through though.

Once again, this is all me lying in bed with media figure calculations.

Just thought I would share it with you all

One thing I would like to add is why is there an obsession over transfer fees. If Rondon was 4-6 million he would automatically a cheap option and poor signings.

I get the intent, but we've saw QPR, Norwich and Fulham to name a few throw money on unknown players and been relegated. Proves that a lot of people love seeing money spent regardless who it's on. I still think McClean is our best signing from a footballing point of view.




Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 09, 2015, 11:17:27 AM
I seem to remember that the numbers banded around when Pulis signed were £15m available for the January window and £30m for this summer. Now he hardly spent in the first window leaving him with £40m + to use this summer. Anyone else remember reading these amounts at the time?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on August 09, 2015, 11:26:28 AM
I seem to remember that the numbers banded around when Pulis signed were £15m available for the January window and £30m for this summer. Now he hardly spent in the first window leaving him with £40m + to use this summer. Anyone else remember reading these amounts at the time?


I do but I thought it's was £30m over the 2 windows and we only spent 5 in January, leaving £25m for this window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 09, 2015, 12:01:17 PM
I accept that I know very little when it comes to the financial side of football as probably most don't either.

But surely:

Chester - 8
Lambert - 3
McClean - 1.5
Rondon - 15
Gnabry - loan

Even if those are maximums and we shaved a few million off. You're still talking 25 million. I'd have expected 25-30 million would be our kitty for this summer excluding outgoings.

Dorrans - 3
Mulumbu - free (freeing up wages)
Davidson - free

And some youth players, which is Irrelevant keeps us on 20 plus.

So if we was to get in around 8 for Anichebe, Brown, Gamboa, Pocognoli and Sess, assuming not all will be sold. That would theoretically take us back down to around 15, so far. So it's possible with outgoings we could keep Saido and still have a decent sum in the kitty for 1 or 2 more.

A loan for liverpools left back, Fazio if out of favour could be a cheap option.

I don't expect to see many big signings IF Rondon does come through though.

Once again, this is all me lying in bed with media figure calculations.

Just thought I would share it with you all

One thing I would like to add is why is there an obsession over transfer fees. If Rondon was 4-6 million he would automatically a cheap option and poor signings.

I get the intent, but we've saw QPR, Norwich and Fulham to name a few throw money on unknown players and been relegated. Proves that a lot of people love seeing money spent regardless who it's on. I still think McClean is our best signing from a footballing point of view.

I agree with a lot of that particularly the sentiments about fees and players.

The issue is as I see it is that the Pulis shopping list has 4 positions on it Goal Keeper (Marshall?) Winger (Phillips?) Centre Back (unknown) and Central Midfield (unknown). None of those seem to be coming in at less than £5m equally we are still being linked with forwards in the £10m bracket.

In addition the "bomb squad" is still here which would suggest that there is hardly a scramble for their signatures. On the other hand we know we can sell Saido. Ultimately only time will tell but I would have thought when we get a net spend of more than £30m it starts to become more likely
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andzy on August 09, 2015, 12:04:23 PM
The fact of the matter is that we haven't spent £25 million its already been stated that the fee of £3 million for Lambert is a small down payment and the rest based on apperances and goals.

Every deal we do will be like this the £15 million for Rondon will most likely be say £7 million down now and the rest staged.

I see no reason as to why we would need to sell Berahino for financial reasons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 09, 2015, 12:20:40 PM
I agree.

I think a centre half wouldn't be vital unless one leaves freeing more money up.

I don't see us signing Philips unless it's on the last day and QPR have no choice to take 6 million or whatever we offer. I would have thought with McClean seemingly a better player than what we thought, along with McManaman who's like a new signing and Gnabry, then wing areas could arguably be covered.

I think Cardiff will sell after their cup game to elongate another game he's suspended for us.

We'll see what happens I suppose. Let's hope that Rondon goes through first.

I think whatever happens, when you look at what we've let go so far, our squad is much better than last season.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 09, 2015, 12:21:16 PM
The fact of the matter is that we haven't spent £25 million its already been stated that the fee of £3 million for Lambert is a small down payment and the rest based on apperances and goals.

Every deal we do will be like this the £15 million for Rondon will most likely be say £7 million down now and the rest staged.

I see no reason as to why we would need to sell Berahino for financial reasons.

I read from a reliable source that the Chester deal was less than £5 mill up front, so guess £4.5m to start and than Lambert was more like £1.5 up front. So to date we've only spent about £6mill. But it's important to note we have to expect to have all the clauses and finance accordingly.

I'd be surprised by Albion if we have Lambert, keep Saido and get in Rondon as that's 3 starting strikers, with Bobby as 4th choice. That's a stronger striking unit than the Pete/Long/Lukaku season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on August 09, 2015, 01:08:37 PM
Your right knave but you missed out McLean . So maybe 7.5 million plus rondo. Makes 22.5 roughly . Is there money for more ?. We will see .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andzy on August 09, 2015, 03:33:50 PM
Your right knave but you missed out McLean . So maybe 7.5 million plus rondo. Makes 22.5 roughly . Is there money for more ?. We will see .

Rondon won't be £15 million up front so I would guess makes it around £15 million net spend on transfers so far
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 09, 2015, 04:36:21 PM
I understand that we have various contingent liabilities in the deals but given that we don't know what triggers them nor the value it is impossible estimate their impact but you cannot work on the basis that they are not going to be paid at some point, the club certainly won't. Equally there maybe clauses in our outbound deals. Admittedly the headline number is flawed but at least it is consistent and  the long and the short of it is the more that we spend the more likely Saido is to be sold.

All that said I do not think we are in that position yet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on August 09, 2015, 04:45:06 PM
I understand that we have various contingent liabilities in the deals but given that we don't know what triggers them nor the value it is impossible estimate their impact but you cannot work on the basis that they are not going to be paid at some point, the club certainly won't. Equally there maybe clauses in our outbound deals. Admittedly the headline number is flawed but at least it is consistent and  the long and the short of it is the more that we spend the more likely Saido is to be sold.

All that said I do not think we are in that position yet.

Agreed, look at crystal palace for example, a similar club to ours, they have spent a lot of money but are not suddenly having to sell bolasie?  West ham also? Leicester? Sunderland? None of these teams have had star names to sell to spend money (unlike Swansea or villa) so why can't we?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 09, 2015, 04:50:48 PM
Agreed, look at crystal palace for example, a similar club to ours, they have spent a lot of money but are not suddenly having to sell bolasie?  West ham also? Leicester? Sunderland? None of these teams have had star names to sell to spend money (unlike Swansea or villa) so why can't we?

Maybe they have a more reckless attitude when it comes to going into debt.  Doesn't mean that we have to follow them over the cliff edge...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on August 09, 2015, 04:51:20 PM
Agreed, look at crystal palace for example, a similar club to ours, they have spent a lot of money but are not suddenly having to sell bolasie?  West ham also? Leicester? Sunderland? None of these teams have had star names to sell to spend money (unlike Swansea or villa) so why can't we?

I'm fairly sure all of those you've listed have rich benefactors. Leicester do - their owners left the ground via helicopter that landed on the centre circle! Obviously West Ham do. Palace have got a rich chairman, and I don't know about Sunderland but they've often outspent us.

Swansea are more like us, and they sold Bony in January for about £30 million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on August 09, 2015, 05:32:13 PM
I don't know about Sunderland but they've often outspent us.

Swansea are more like us, and they sold Bony in January for about £30 million.

Sunderland's owner is the American billionaire Ellis Short; they're definitely not short of a few bob.  As for Swansea, it could well be argued that the difference in fortunes between us and them in recent seasons is down to us pursuing a policy of keeping "key players" at all costs - often until they'd lost their form, got too old or too comfortable - whereas Swansea saw the merit in accepting silly, overpriced bids for their best players and reinvesting wisely.  (I don't blame Albion for this policy, because "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is usually a pretty sound principle, but Swansea took the calculated risk and it's paid off for them).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on August 09, 2015, 05:38:52 PM
Sunderland's owner is the American billionaire Ellis Short; they're definitely not short of a few bob.  As for Swansea, it could well be argued that the difference in fortunes between us and them in recent seasons is down to us pursuing a policy of keeping "key players" at all costs - often until they'd lost their form, got too old or too comfortable - whereas Swansea saw the merit in accepting silly, overpriced bids for their best players and reinvesting wisely.  (I don't blame Albion for this policy, because "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is usually a pretty sound principle, but Swansea took the calculated risk and it's paid off for them).

Without wanting to go too far off topic, who would say has been a 'star' (to the extent Bony or Ben Davies has been for Swansea) for us? I really can't think of many.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on August 09, 2015, 06:24:37 PM
Without wanting to go too far off topic, who would say has been a 'star' (to the extent Bony or Ben Davies has been for Swansea) for us? I really can't think of many.

A few players since 2010 I think we could potentially have offloaded for a handsome profit if sold at their peak of their form:

Odemwingie, definitely if sold in summer 2011 or maybe even 2012
Mulumbu, certainly at any point up to 2013
Morrison, again up to 2013
Olsson often seemed to be the subject of the occasional rumour/link away

That's not to suggest that any or all of these players should have been moved on; again, I understand the club having wanted to keep hold of the guys who had the biggest impact for us, and there's nothing to say the offers would have come in, or that we could have found adequate replacements.  But when Swansea caught a whiff of the interest in players like Joe Allen and Scott Sinclair - who probably had a comparable impact to the Albion names above - they took the gamble, and in hindsight they made the right decision.  (That's before you even factor in a top signing like Bony).

To bring it back on topic, I think the club has more or less the same choice to make with Saido now.  Would love him to stay and grow as a player, especially with his whole career ahead of him, but if any of the big clubs get so desperate that they're willing to cough up an insane amount, then we'd be mad not to take it and reinvest.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 09, 2015, 11:31:33 PM
Big decision for the club if a mega offer comes in. Transfer fee's will go up again next year but let's be honest, a club like ours can't afford to turn down £25m if that sort of offer is made
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieblood on August 10, 2015, 12:52:13 AM
It's very sad to say but the likes of swansea now have better scouting networks than us.

Why we didn't we go for signings like gomis and ayew i'll never know.

It cannor be money as we get virtually the same tv monry than swansea and more gate receipts.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on August 10, 2015, 01:16:16 AM
It's very sad to say but the likes of swansea now have better scouting networks than us.

Why we didn't we go for signings like gomis and ayew i'll never know.

It cannor be money as we get virtually the same tv monry than swansea and more gate receipts.

The reality is that only one club can get a player, and this window has proven we often only find out about a signing being done until right at the last second (Chester, Rondon etc). So really we as fans don't know who we are in for, so it is extremely harsh to criticise the club for bot going for players, when in actual fact you don't know if we did or not! For what it's worth, I seem to recall us being linked with both Gomis and Ayew, at various points in the last 12 months.

I agree Swansea's scouting does seem a bit better than ours, but we haven't kicked a ball yet. Maybe Gnabry and Rondon will be world beaters?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 10, 2015, 01:27:40 AM
It's very sad to say but the likes of swansea now have better scouting networks than us.

Why we didn't we go for signings like gomis and ayew i'll never know.

It cannor be money as we get virtually the same tv monry than swansea and more gate receipts.

In our defense though I'm sure other clubs such as Villa, Norwich, Sunderland, look at us and think "we should of gone in for the likes of Fletcher, Lescott, Rondon," it's the same for every club. Apart from last summer I don't really think our scouting network can be knocked. Yes we have had flops but doesn't everyone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 10, 2015, 03:16:37 AM
Big decision for the club if a mega offer comes in. Transfer fee's will go up again next year but let's be honest, a club like ours can't afford to turn down £25m if that sort of offer is made

Quite frankly I would be extremely disappointed if we accepted anything less than £30m for him. We have the likes of Luke Shaw going for £30m, Raheem Sterling £49m and if reports are to be believed Chelsea will make another offer for John Stones of around £30m in the coming days. We have a young, English and proven Premier League goal scorer that has just as much potential as those I've listed in my opinion so why should we sell ourselves short?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 10, 2015, 05:29:30 AM
Quite frankly I would be extremely disappointed if we accepted anything less than £30m for him. We have the likes of Luke Shaw going for £30m, Raheem Sterling £49m and if reports are to be believed Chelsea will make another offer for John Stones of around £30m in the coming days. We have a young, English and proven Premier League goal scorer that has just as much potential as those I've listed in my opinion so why should we sell ourselves short?
Agreed ! , and there is no way that JP will sell us short in any transfer deal, least of all with Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on August 10, 2015, 05:33:39 AM
Quite frankly I would be extremely disappointed if we accepted anything less than £30m for him. We have the likes of Luke Shaw going for £30m, Raheem Sterling £49m and if reports are to be believed Chelsea will make another offer for John Stones of around £30m in the coming days. We have a young, English and proven Premier League goal scorer that has just as much potential as those I've listed in my opinion so why should we sell ourselves short?
totally agree because if he continues his progress this kid will be fetching  possible  £50-60m in a few years time if the prices for top young British players continues at the current rate ,players like saido don't come along very often so why sell ourselves short.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 10, 2015, 09:30:10 AM
It's very sad to say but the likes of swansea now have better scouting networks than us.

Why we didn't we go for signings like gomis and ayew i'll never know.

It cannor be money as we get virtually the same tv monry than swansea and more gate receipts.

I know people don't like facts to get in the way of a good moan but here goes

1. Actually Swansea's match day revenue was £2m greater than ours for the last available report and accounts and their total revenue was about £10m greater than ours largely due to the merit payments their higher league finish generated. 

2. Sorry the world and his wife knew about Gomis and Ayew who were plying their trade in Ligue 1 all you need is someone to nip over to France to have a quick look. One of the things Swansea themselves acknowledge they need to improve is their scouting.

3. Swansea have also benefited from massive transfer fees and compensation for the services of Brendan Rogers whilst some of their signings have been notable they have a lower net spend on fees than we do.

4. Gomis wanted £80k a week at the start of last season and Swansea cut a deal which gave him an £8m signing on fee and £40k a week. Ayew has bust their wage cap. Whether we were interested in either player I don't know maybe Gomis but almost certainly not Ayew who is way too similar to Saido.

Good for Swansea they have signed some decent players but so what?? It was not all rosy Gomis took time to settle. He was bought in anticipation of Bony leaving but that didn't happen until January by which time Gomis was openly talking about moving on because he wasn't playing.

The plain truth is that any team coming out of the Championship providing they survive the first season and they are run half competently are in the same boat as us and given the right circumstances might be substantially better off than us.

Saido is the first player we have had that could generate the type of fee that if used wisely could make a major impact on our squad for years to come. Hopefully we don't sell him yet but when we do I hope nobody complains when we sign a couple of "free" transfers to like Gomis or Ayew to replace him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 10, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
All I've seen since the Rondon transfer business is that Saido is off. Quite frankly it's doing my nut in. He won't be going anywhere for another 12 months. Big year ahead of him forcing back into that England squad for the euros.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 10, 2015, 10:07:33 AM
I know people don't like facts to get in the way of a good moan but here goes

1. Actually Swansea's match day revenue was £2m greater than ours for the last available report and accounts and their total revenue was about £10m greater than ours largely due to the merit payments their higher league finish generated. 

2. Sorry the world and his wife knew about Gomis and Ayew who were plying their trade in Ligue 1 all you need is someone to nip over to France to have a quick look. One of the things Swansea themselves acknowledge they need to improve is their scouting.

3. Swansea have also benefited from massive transfer fees and compensation for the services of Brendan Rogers whilst some of their signings have been notable they have a lower net spend on fees than we do.

4. Gomis wanted £80k a week at the start of last season and Swansea cut a deal which gave him an £8m signing on fee and £40k a week. Ayew has bust their wage cap. Whether we were interested in either player I don't know maybe Gomis but almost certainly not Ayew who is way too similar to Saido.

Good for Swansea they have signed some decent players but so what?? It was not all rosy Gomis took time to settle. He was bought in anticipation of Bony leaving but that didn't happen until January by which time Gomis was openly talking about moving on because he wasn't playing.

The plain truth is that any team coming out of the Championship providing they survive the first season and they are run half competently are in the same boat as us and given the right circumstances might be substantially better off than us.

Saido is the first player we have had that could generate the type of fee that if used wisely could make a major impact on our squad for years to come. Hopefully we don't sell him yet but when we do I hope nobody complains when we sign a couple of "free" transfers to like Gomis or Ayew to replace him.

Very well put. 

Having to sell a superstar player for a big fee when the big boys come knocking is inevitable, even if the club's finances are healthy.  It is just not worth trying to keep an ambitious player who is good enough to sign for a much bigger club once they want to move.

The challenge is in replacing them.  The reality is that it will almost always be done by signing players who are near the end of their contract. We cannot replace a £25m striker on low wages by paying out a £25m transfer feer AND pay high wages for a proven striker.  The only answer is to replace by paying out a low transfer fee and accepting that we have to pay high wages.  That way, we can possibly buy two players, maybe even three players, and strengthen in other areas.

Timing also has a lot to do with it.  Saido leaving at the end of the transfer window is a nightmare unless we have already bought his replacement, so that we are not left high and dry.  To me, it looks like we are buying Rondon on the basis that (a) if we keep Saido then we look very strong upfront, and (b) if we lose Saido then we are well catered for.   I think if Saido stays then it will be Brown Ideye  who leaves late in the transfer window.

     

   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: buzzingbaggie on August 10, 2015, 04:52:18 PM
A guy called OGY who is 'apparently' in the know at spurs suggest berahino will be signing for them.
Again 'apparently' this is his record,

"OGY won't reveal his source but it's obviously someone at the club. Amongst other things he's correctly told us in advance all of the summer 7 signings confirmed and what order they were coming in, that AVB would be our new manager when the odds were still long enough to make some cash off it, that Poch was confirmed as our new manager before it was announced and that Gareth Bale would win the player awards double and that's just off the top of my head from the last couple seasons. Obviously he's not right 100% of the time because information that's true when it's told can become wrong later in football as there's so many variables (e.g. Willian) but if you want to just sit around refreshing sky sports until a transfer is 100% confirmed why do you read the transfer talk section on the forum? We're here to discuss potential incomings and hopefully pick up a bit of info along the way'

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 10, 2015, 04:55:52 PM
Ogy Ogy Ogy oi oi oi
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on August 10, 2015, 05:01:35 PM
The thing is if Spurs or any club come in for Saido, they are going to have to pay top money, JP has his critics but there are few who negotiate like him, gone are the days when we sell to pay the wage bill that month!

I think we all want Berahino to stay but every player has a price, i wouldnt imagine Albion would even bother returning the call unless there was £25m on the table, if he goes it will be on our terms. I imagine any bid from spurs would be dependant on them shifting Soldado and Adebayor or they get a big bid for Kane.

As stated i really hope Saido stays but sometimes money talks, if we did sell him i would straight away go and put a bid in for Afobe from the Wolves, he looks the nearest thing to Saido and with players like Lambert and Rondon around him, he could really improve as i think Saido will if he stays.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on August 10, 2015, 05:08:05 PM
I think there possibly is some level of talks/negotiations ongoing between the Albion and Spurs and/or others regarding Saido, it would be perfectly understandable and unsurprising if this was so. Pulis was quoted in the Daily Express today as saying "Never say never in football because you don't know what's around the corner" when questioned about Saido leaving. This is an obvious answer to such a question but one that also leaves the possibility of him going. I still think it will be more than likely in January if at all this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 10, 2015, 05:10:09 PM
I think whatever happens is going to be a win - win for us.

I mean if we can get an extra £25m to spend on another 2-3 players of similar quality to Rondon then it wont be the end of the world.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on August 10, 2015, 05:17:53 PM
I think whatever happens is going to be a win - win for us.

I mean if we can get an extra £25m to spend on another 2-3 players of similar quality to Rondon then it wont be the end of the world.

Agreed. We are in a good position and how refreshing that it now the Albion who are able to be calling the shots in any negotiations! I don't think that has ever happened before!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on August 10, 2015, 05:18:02 PM
I think whatever happens is going to be a win - win for us.

I mean if we can get an extra £25m to spend on another 2-3 players of similar quality to Rondon then it wont be the end of the world.

Some might say we've already spent the money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 10, 2015, 05:34:09 PM
Some might say we've already spent the money.

I don't think we have.  A £14m profit last year plus increased TV money suggests we haven't pre-spent it. 

I think what we have done is very prudent.  We know Saido will be gone either this year or next year, and with Lambert and Rondon we have bought two players to supplement him as our strikers, and if he leaves then we've got two goal scoring strikers in already and can go out and buy another one.  Contrast that with selling Saido at the end of the window with no replacements in place......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on August 10, 2015, 06:03:36 PM
If it's going to happen get it done soon, less disruption and actually gives us time to spend the cash, transfer deadline day sale would be the nightmare scenario
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on August 10, 2015, 07:23:33 PM
If Saido was playing for Liverpool and a club was to try and pry him away they would be paying 40 million +.
Now I am not saying we have to hold on for that much, but anything around 15-20 should be completely rebuffed and if someone wants him they should have to pay 25-30million + a % of future profits if he is sold again to hep cover if he goes on to become a mega star.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 10, 2015, 07:30:01 PM
If Saido was playing for Liverpool and a club was to try and pry him away they would be paying 40 million +.
Now I am not saying we have to hold on for that much, but anything around 15-20 should be completely rebuffed and if someone wants him they should have to pay 25-30million + a % of future profits if he is sold again to hep cover if he goes on to become a mega star.

No club in their right mind would pay that much and potentially give more to us. 20 with add ones to the total tune of 25 is a best case scenario.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on August 10, 2015, 10:53:33 PM
No club in their right mind would pay that much and potentially give more to us. 20 with add ones to the total tune of 25 is a best case scenario.

If we sell Berahino, we will certainly not get his quality back. Probably another Anichebe.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 11, 2015, 12:40:56 AM
No club in their right mind would pay that much and potentially give more to us. 20 with add ones to the total tune of 25 is a best case scenario.

Totally undervalued. See Luke Shaw, see Andy Carroll, better yet see Raheem Sterling. I wouldn't take a penny less than £35 million. How much would you value Harry Kane at?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Vassassin on August 11, 2015, 12:44:18 AM
Totally undervalued. See Luke Shaw, see Andy Carroll, better yet see Raheem Sterling. I wouldn't take a penny less than £35 million. How much would you value Harry Kane at?
Totally agree Jacko, absurd if he goes for less than 35 in this crazy market
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 11, 2015, 12:50:06 AM
Ok.. I have been told by someone who has been surprisingly accurate this summer...

There is a serious plan to unite Harry Kane & Saido in a team....

but that team is not Spurs (and not this window)

Expect Man Utd to throw money at both in January and next summer....

Well that is what he says
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 11, 2015, 01:00:37 AM
Ok.. I have been told by someone who has been surprisingly accurate this summer...

There is a serious plan to unite Harry Kane & Saido in a team....

but that team is not Spurs (and not this window)

Expect Man Utd to throw money at both in January and next summer....

Well that is what he says

Could well be plausible, but in a year's time he will only have a year left on his contract and £15m could well be tops then. 

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 11, 2015, 01:06:02 AM
Could well be plausible, but in a year's time he will only have a year left on his contract and £15m could well be tops then.

Which is why I reckon he will sign a new contract but with a hefty release clause (known to be acceptable)

I think Kane is going to be the harder player to get.. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 11, 2015, 01:28:33 AM
Which is why I reckon he will sign a new contract but with a hefty release clause (known to be acceptable)

I think Kane is going to be the harder player to get..

agree 100%

dont think kane will go now. if he's got any sense.

at spurs he'll be the man. at man u he'll be waiting for the granny shagger to get injured.

think berahino is making all the right noises too. sensible for them both to stay and try and get a place in the euro squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 11, 2015, 01:34:55 AM
don't think SB did himself any favours tonight. should have had at least 1.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lukeb on August 11, 2015, 01:54:37 AM
Looked good I thought. Seems to have filled out a bit and looked stronger on the ball, made some good runs in behind and his touch (other than a couple of chances) looked decent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: spyro on August 11, 2015, 02:44:39 AM
hope berahino goes to arsenal i think he flourish there if they dont get benzema
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 11, 2015, 08:01:09 AM
sell him at our peril, the only one who looked half decent last night
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on August 11, 2015, 08:08:37 AM
he looked fitter and stronger than last season, chased everything and did a lot of tracking back last night. build a team around him not without him.
in 2 yrs time he will be worth minimum £40m if he progresses and continues scoring.
bonkers if we sell him and the club should be offering him a very lucrative contract to keep him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 11, 2015, 08:09:32 AM
he should easily be our highest paid
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 11, 2015, 08:23:32 AM
agree 100%

dont think kane will go now. if he's got any sense.

at spurs he'll be the man. at man u he'll be waiting for the granny shagger to get injured.

think berahino is making all the right noises too. sensible for them both to stay and try and get a place in the euro squad.

Brilliant!!!!

Spurs are looking at a striker called N'Jie apparently so I am wondering if SB is on their radar.....they can always buy two of course.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 11, 2015, 08:24:12 AM
he looked fitter and stronger than last season, chased everything and did a lot of tracking back last night. build a team around him not without him.
in 2 yrs time he will be worth minimum £40m if he progresses and continues scoring.
bonkers if we sell him and the club should be offering him a very lucrative contract to keep him.

no way he'll still be here in two years time.
In fact I'll be surprised if he's here in two weeks
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 11, 2015, 08:28:37 AM
I thought he didnt do too badly last night.

Worked hard for the team, and could have had a couple, also tracked back very well for the challenge on Sagna.

His finish for the goal which was offside was also superbly put away.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on August 11, 2015, 08:38:56 AM
no way he'll still be here in two years time.
In fact I'll be surprised if he's here in two weeks
That's where the clubs real ambition will be seen, he should be offered a contract that makes him one of our top earners. he's still young enough to develop while on good money before he moves onto bigger things and fulfils his ambitions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 11, 2015, 09:31:08 AM
That's where the clubs real ambition will be seen, he should be offered a contract that makes him one of our top earners. he's still young enough to develop while on good money before he moves onto bigger things and fulfils his ambitions.

The club will offer him a new contract I'm sure but our absolute best offer is still a fraction of what he could potentially earn at Spurs let alone City. Ultimately a young player of real quality is not going to stick around chasing scraps with us when there is a chance of playing in front Silva and Toure or even Ericksson.

We might keep him this window but thereafter we are on borrowed time contract or no contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on August 11, 2015, 09:38:29 AM
I thought he didnt do too badly last night.

Worked hard for the team, and could have had a couple, also tracked back very well for the challenge on Sagna.

His finish for the goal which was offside was also superbly put away.

He was an absolute cut above the rest of our team which is worrying
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on August 11, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
He was an absolute cut above the rest of our team which is worrying

You think he was a cut above Lambert last night? For me Lambert was the better of the two.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 11, 2015, 10:34:36 AM
You think he was a cut above Lambert last night? For me Lambert was the better of the two.

I thought he was our best player on the pitch if im honest.

Lambert worked hard and had some good touches, he will only get better the longer he plays with the rest of the lads.

For me though, the only way we were going to score last night would have either been through Berahino, or because of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 11, 2015, 10:42:32 AM
Stood out like a sore thumb last night. Head and shoulders above the rest, Lambert was the only one who got close.

Willing to run at them, some great touches and willing to battle. Sadly, stuck on the wing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RogerBadoo on August 11, 2015, 11:29:03 AM
Agree - Berahino looked class last night. I have a sinking feeling he'll be gone in three weeks. We will miss him but at the same time we still need a lot of new faces and maybe this is the price we'll have to pay.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 11, 2015, 11:36:46 AM
if he does go i hope its Arsenal ( that would please his mother) and not their neighbours after reading some of their comments about little ole Albion
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Webby on August 11, 2015, 12:29:40 PM
Strong, good with the ball at his feet and his finishing is really top drawer... Imagine how good he could be with some real quality around him. Wish him the best when he moves on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 11, 2015, 07:09:16 PM
Looked better than Sterling but missed the first third of the game seemingly not knowing how to get involved (Poor management and team set up). Seem to recall had a good opportunity he fluffed but is still improving and will be a huge loss when we cash in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 11, 2015, 07:34:46 PM
Looked better than Sterling but missed the first third of the game seemingly not knowing how to get involved (Poor management and team set up). Seem to recall had a good opportunity he fluffed but is still improving and will be a huge loss when we cash in.

Or maybe just not having had much time with his new strike partner to get much of an understanding ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 11, 2015, 09:14:04 PM
Or maybe just not having had much time with his new strike partner to get much of an understanding ?
Pulis can admit to it. 😉
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 11, 2015, 09:24:03 PM
Pulis can admit to it. 😉

Just pointing out the alternatives, you were very keen to point things like this out around this time last season if I remember.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 11, 2015, 10:33:57 PM
Just pointing out the alternatives, you were very keen to point things like this out around this time last season if I remember.
And people weren't prepared to accept defeat to Man City then either. It is a nice alternative, just not one shared by our head coach.  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 11, 2015, 10:41:25 PM
And people weren't prepared to accept defeat to Man City then either. It is a nice alternative, just not one shared by our head coach.  ;)

Oh, so its all down to Pulis this time then but previously it wasn't down to the Head Coach.

I hope you are going to be consistent this season again in pointing out comments especially the potentially libelous ones made about Pulis that you were so keen to point out about Irvine, got to be honest not seen much of it yet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 12, 2015, 06:52:18 AM
Oh, so its all down to Pulis this time then but previously it wasn't down to the Head Coach.

I hope you are going to be consistent this season again in pointing out comments especially the potentially libelous ones made about Pulis that you were so keen to point out about Irvine, got to be honest not seen much of it yet.
You seem to think I'm having a go at Pulis. I'm not. I'm realistic enough to understand that getting a  result against Man City whether it be this year or last is some achievement given the massive gap in quality between the players. More than happy for libellous comments to be pointed out however, as Pulis himself has admitted to it, suggesting poor team management against Man City isn't libellous.  ;)

Anyway,  this is supposed to be about Berahino!

Que sera sera.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie_1 on August 12, 2015, 08:35:03 AM
Spurs on the verge of signing Clinton N'jie.....let's hope!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 12, 2015, 09:31:09 AM
I would be more concerned that City might be looking at him as opposed to Spurs.

City only have two strikers on the books at the moment (Bony and Aguero) and its clear they will sign at least 1 more striker, add to that that Saido is english and it makes it a little more realistic.

Wouldnt be the best move for Saido if it did come to light.

I believe he will be hear for the reaminder of the season, just depends if we are able to tie him down to a new contract or not by then.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 12, 2015, 09:31:53 AM
If Berahino is to be stuck out on the wing this season then we may as well cash in now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 12, 2015, 09:36:17 AM
If Berahino is to be stuck out on the wing this season then we may as well cash in now.

It would save me putting my foot through a seat to, Would be the worst decision the club has made for a long time problem is no one would say boo to pulis from chairman to players as there all scared stiff.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on August 12, 2015, 09:45:14 AM
problem is no one would say boo to pulis from chairman to players as there all scared stiff.

I have to ask Bob, how do you know that?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 12, 2015, 10:05:23 AM
You seem to think I'm having a go at Pulis. I'm not. I'm realistic enough to understand that getting a  result against Man City whether it be this year or last is some achievement given the massive gap in quality between the players. More than happy for libellous comments to be pointed out however, as Pulis himself has admitted to it, suggesting poor team management against Man City isn't libellous.  ;)

Anyway,  this is supposed to be about Berahino!

Que sera sera.

No I don't seem to think you are having a pop at Pulis I think its obvious you are albeit going the clever way of doing it as in other topics over the past few months. I also didn't say the poor management comment was libelous as you also know.

You know what i'm getting at exactly and I hope you continue to point out what you think are libelous comments about Pulis as you did previously about Irvine as we do miss things.

As for Berahino if he leaves us to go to one of the big clubs then he will be a bit part player filling in for others and maybe getting in for Cup games, he would be better off staying here for another year at least.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on August 12, 2015, 10:33:46 AM
If Berahino is to be stuck out on the wing this season then we may as well cash in now.

I agree, be like another odemwingie situation when we put him on the wing to accommodate Long even though he was our best finisher
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 12, 2015, 12:56:11 PM
As soon as the window closes, he'll sign a new 4 year deal on a massive wedge, and we'll trumpet it as keeping hold of our best player.

Then next season he'll move for a massive wedge to sit on somebodies bench.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggielad82 on August 12, 2015, 01:16:02 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3195046/Tottenham-hoping-complete-signing-Saido-Berahino-West-Brom-holding-25m-striker.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Getting bored of all this now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on August 12, 2015, 01:24:06 PM
If spuds want him then they pay the price but has to be more than 30 mill with a 50% transfer sell on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 12, 2015, 01:49:46 PM
18 million they are having a laugh, now cough up or do one spuds
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: monkey nuts on August 12, 2015, 02:05:23 PM
18 mil plus Townsend maybe but not 18 mil on it's own
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on August 12, 2015, 02:07:21 PM
18 mil plus Townsend maybe but not 18 mil on it's own

We're well stocked for wingers. £24 million plus Dembele.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 12, 2015, 02:37:07 PM
Reading reports they seriously think they will get him for 18 million. all they want to do is unsettle him.
They say they have no issues with his terms, how do they know. he might want to join the 100k club.bugger off spurs >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on August 12, 2015, 02:48:10 PM
Reading reports they seriously think they will get him for 18 million. all they want to do is unsettle him.
They say they have no issues with his terms, how do they know. he might want to join the 100k club.bugger off spurs >:(

You could imagine a scenario where they know exactly how much he wants because they've already tapped him up.

The lad has on occasion appeared naive enough to have been talking with them directly on the quiet.

This story is coming from somewhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 12, 2015, 02:54:08 PM
This story is coming from somewhere.

He's got rid of Aidy Ward as his agent. This man has now potentially lost out on a big pay day for himself with Saido reportedly due to the way he handled Sterling, he will also know the lad has had his issues with his own fans so it wouldn't surprise me if it was all his doing just to unsettle Berahino, Albion and to an extent us fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 12, 2015, 03:18:49 PM
I'm sure he made enough money on the sterling deal to be in good stead.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 12, 2015, 03:20:40 PM
Absolutely but if I were him I would still be a little miffed about adding a couple of million more  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 12, 2015, 03:23:07 PM
I'm sure he is, clever guy really as well as a trouble maker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 12, 2015, 03:24:20 PM
You could imagine a scenario where they know exactly how much he wants because they've already tapped him up.

The lad has on occasion appeared naive enough to have been talking with them directly on the quiet.

This story is coming from somewhere.

Yeah the ever reliable Daily Mail.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: monkey nuts on August 12, 2015, 03:25:53 PM
We're well stocked for wingers. £24 million plus Dembele.
we're still in for Phillips so we want one more
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 12, 2015, 03:28:19 PM
we're still in for Phillips so we want one more

Pulis seems to see Phillips as more than just a winger though, he sees him as someone who can play through the middle too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on August 12, 2015, 03:46:42 PM
Berahino is the best finisher that we know of, i.e. when up against Ideye and Sick Vic, that may not be the case with Rondon and Lambert so, whilst I wouldn't advocate putting Saido on the wing, if it pays dividends then crack on. Better to have 3 players scoring 10+ (which is feasible) than 1 scoring 20.
Berahino himself may not be as easy going though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 12, 2015, 04:00:41 PM
You could imagine a scenario where they know exactly how much he wants because they've already tapped him up.

The lad has on occasion appeared naive enough to have been talking with them directly on the quiet.

This story is coming from somewhere.

The agent that he is getting rid of will know what terms Saido was asking for at West Brom before they put his new contract talks on hold and has probably leaked that to Spuds.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on August 12, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
Yeah the ever reliable Daily Mail.

Good point.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 12, 2015, 04:37:57 PM
The agent that he is getting rid of will know what terms Saido was asking for at West Brom before they put his new contract talks on hold and has probably leaked that to Spuds.

What Saido is currently getting in wages and what he is looking for are almost irrelevant to any deal.  He will have no difficulty agreeing personal terms with Spurs.

This has all to do with what JP will accept as an appropriate transfer fee.  I'm sure its £25m or no deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on August 12, 2015, 04:40:44 PM
This has been dragging on for ages . If he does go we need time for replacements . 19 days and counting .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 12, 2015, 04:43:43 PM
What Saido is currently getting in wages and what he is looking for are almost irrelevant to any deal.  He will have no difficulty agreeing personal terms with Spurs.

This has all to do with what JP will accept as an appropriate transfer fee.  I'm sure its £25m or no deal.

Not when the article quotes that personal terms would be no problem, that's clearly designed to unsettle the player. As you said JP will have a figure in mind of what he wants and I would be surprised if he goes for less than £22 million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 12, 2015, 05:06:56 PM
Not when the article quotes that personal terms would be no problem, that's clearly designed to unsettle the player. As you said JP will have a figure in mind of what he wants and I would be surprised if he goes for less than £22 million.

I think it can be taken as read, and can always be taken as read, that Saido will be very happy with what he earns wherever and whenever he leaves us.  If he's worth £20m-plus then the wages will reflect that.

I cannot believe that JP would even accept £22m.  Have you forgotten his deals for Davies and Kamara?!  Based on those deals I'm sure JP will either hold out for £25m or drive a very hard bargain on a player exchange for a player which TP might want.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 12, 2015, 05:24:10 PM
Failure to sign a new contract before January means our position has shifted extraordinarily in terms of holding the aces. Come January clubs will be well enough stocked and will leave his contract further run down. If not sold now he won't move until next summer when we'll be looking to get £15m.

Kane's got 4 years left on his deal. Shaw had 4 years left on his when he joined United. That's why their values are/were so high.

£25m now would be brilliant.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 12, 2015, 05:33:25 PM
This has dragged on because the press has been speculating about it all summer but as yet there has been no official bid. I don't know whether Spurs are leaking bids to the press until such time that the magic number is mentioned and Albion pick up the phone and beg for the money ::)

Spurs are reported to be on the verge of buying Clinton Njie from Lyon whether this damps down the speculation remains to be seen
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 12, 2015, 05:37:46 PM
I'd suggest (Mowbray style) that having Saido as the opening player on the "red card" interview article would imply the mood at the Albion is that he's not expecting to be leaving anytime soon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ABaggie on August 12, 2015, 05:54:47 PM
I can see this becoming another Carlton Cole situation...

17.55 on 1st September, Saido is sat in the canteen of Tottenhams training ground waiting for his transfer to be confirmed. His phone rings & he sees it is Richard Garlick.

"Saido, Sorry, but Lionel has decided that he owes the Barcelona fans some loyalty and he wont be joining us. You will have to come back"

  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on August 12, 2015, 10:10:28 PM
Always sad to see a player we've nurtured through our Academy leaving, but especially given his goal scoring ability. Against City you could also see his class on the ball. I hope we do our best to keep hold of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 12, 2015, 10:34:08 PM
Failure to sign a new contract before January means our position has shifted extraordinarily in terms of holding the aces. Come January clubs will be well enough stocked and will leave his contract further run down. If not sold now he won't move until next summer when we'll be looking to get £15m.

Kane's got 4 years left on his deal. Shaw had 4 years left on his when he joined United. That's why their values are/were so high.

£25m now would be brilliant.

Not at all mate. You ain't factoring in that we would still be due millions in compensation due to Saido' age when we signed him. We are in a position of strength, potential buyers are not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 12, 2015, 10:50:07 PM
Does he want to be a Baggies' icon/hero?
If so, he just has to sign on the bottom and play to his known potential.
He can join the likes of Kevan, Astle, Hope, Bomber, Sneekes, and Super Bob.
Does he want that or the lure of filthy lucre?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 12, 2015, 11:08:25 PM
Does he want to be a Baggies' icon/hero?
If so, he just has to sign on the bottom and play to his known potential.
He can join the likes of Kevan, Astle, Hope, Bomber, Sneekes, and Super Bob.
Does he want that or the lure of filthy lucre?

A bit unfair.  The game has changed.  In those pre-PL days there was no ceiling for a club like West Brom, hence the likes of Derby, Forest and others won the league.  These days it's really impossible to deny any player the only realistic chance they have to play in the Champions League, which clubs like ours are effectively shut out from.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on August 12, 2015, 11:58:21 PM
Does he want to be a Baggies' icon/hero?
If so, he just has to sign on the bottom and play to his known potential.
He can join the likes of Kevan, Astle, Hope, Bomber, Sneekes, and Super Bob.
Does he want that or the lure of filthy lucre?
He's not an Albion fan, so I doubt he wants to be a hero. Look at Chris Brunt too, here nearly 10 years, works his socks off weekly and sometimes gets booed.

If he moves to a better club, it's not just about the money, he also gets a platform to play for England and win trophies, whereas with us that isn't so easy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 13, 2015, 12:01:43 AM
i reckon he'll stay if we offer him £50k a week + 4 year contract. best for all parties.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieblood on August 13, 2015, 01:51:37 AM
25m should be the least we accept for bera.

Spurs wssted more than on each of soldado and lemela.

But, should he go i wouldn"t be happy on relying on rondon, brown and vic to score the goals to keep us up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on August 13, 2015, 08:46:51 AM
25m should be the least we accept for bera.

Spurs wssted more than on each of soldado and lemela.

But, should he go i wouldn"t be happy on relying on rondon, brown and vic to score the goals to keep us up.

You forget Lambert...and Rondon is very highly rated!

Lets face it, if Berahino goes, we won't be able to bring in a proven premier league goalscorer (unless we could get Austin, and I'm not sure one season classes you as a provem prem scorer) so need to hope Rondon and Lambert do the business for us!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 13, 2015, 09:25:46 AM
West Brom transfer news: Tottenham Hotspur to end Saido Berahino interest

Source:-http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-transfer-news-tottenham-9846198?

We can but hope!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tambag on August 13, 2015, 09:40:24 AM
How can something end - when no bid was ever received in the first place.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on August 13, 2015, 09:51:57 AM
biggest thing for me when are the club going to really sit him down and offer him a new contract. They could have ended all this spurs talk weeks ago by offering him the new contract which he fully deserves.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 13, 2015, 09:59:55 AM
biggest thing for me when are the club going to really sit him down and offer him a new contract. They could have ended all this spurs talk weeks ago by offering him the new contract which he fully deserves.
I suppose it comes down to your definition of deserves or expects. Sacking your agent during negotiations suggests that there is a problem on Sadio's side of the table and not the club's.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hayward1984 on August 13, 2015, 10:15:01 AM
biggest thing for me when are the club going to really sit him down and offer him a new contract. They could have ended all this spurs talk weeks ago by offering him the new contract which he fully deserves.

Difficult to offer him a contract whilst he has no agent.

As soon as he gets one, fingers crossed it's CYRIL  ;), they'll be offering him £40-50k but he will probably want a release clause in there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 13, 2015, 10:34:47 AM
From the BBC gossip page:

The north London side are confident of signing West Bromwich Albion striker Saido Berahino, 22, but are unwilling to meet the £25m asking price. (Daily Mail)

How can you be both confident of buying something and at the same time not willing to pay the price for it?  Maybe they're waiting for the Boxing Day sales?  Or planning to wait until JP is out of the shop and swapping the prices between Vic and Berahino and hoping that the kid on the till doesn't notice?

From what I can tell Spud's have been thinking they could buy him for £10m... then £12m... then £15m... then £18m... and all the time they haven't actually made an offer.  Maybe they just think they'll pump numbers into the press until it gets JP so excited he picks up the phone and talks to them about it?

In all honesty - if I was in JP's position - I wouldn't be contemplating selling Berahino during this window.  I think the prices next summer will be a significant step up again.  I think that Berahino will be a better and more established player by then.  I would be trying to tie him to a new contract in the autumn, and if it doesn't get signed then January normally equates to stupid prices.  I think by January we'll be looking at £30-35m for him.  I'd be very surprised if Berahino is still with us by September 2016.  (I think the only way that would happen is through injury or if something goes really wrong for him this season.)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 13, 2015, 10:46:45 AM
Surely they(spurs) are fully aware we have Jermey Peace in our ranks. some of the press obviously think hes a pussy cat
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 13, 2015, 10:53:44 AM
From the BBC gossip page:

The north London side are confident of signing West Bromwich Albion striker Saido Berahino, 22, but are unwilling to meet the £25m asking price. (Daily Mail)

How can you be both confident of buying something and at the same time not willing to pay the price for it?  Maybe they're waiting for the Boxing Day sales?  Or planning to wait until JP is out of the shop and swapping the prices between Vic and Berahino and hoping that the kid on the till doesn't notice?

From what I can tell Spud's have been thinking they could buy him for £10m... then £12m... then £15m... then £18m... and all the time they haven't actually made an offer.  Maybe they just think they'll pump numbers into the press until it gets JP so excited he picks up the phone and talks to them about it?

In all honesty - if I was in JP's position - I wouldn't be contemplating selling Berahino during this window.  I think the prices next summer will be a significant step up again.  I think that Berahino will be a better and more established player by then.  I would be trying to tie him to a new contract in the autumn, and if it doesn't get signed then January normally equates to stupid prices.  I think by January we'll be looking at £30-35m for him.  I'd be very surprised if Berahino is still with us by September 2016.  (I think the only way that would happen is through injury or if something goes really wrong for him this season.)

This is just the BBC rehashing the "story" from the Daily Mail that never seemed to have any substance whatsoever.

Totally agree with everything you've said in the rest of your post.

Also, I might have imagined it but I'm sure I read somewhere that if Berahino signed a new contract before October/November he would have to give a percentage to his old agent. If that is true then I would think that is why there is no movement on a new contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 13, 2015, 10:55:28 AM
Surely they(spurs) are fully aware we have Jermey Peace in our ranks. some of the press obviously think hes a pussy cat

You are forgetting that Daniel Levy is in charge of Spurs so infinitely better at doing deals than JP and quite frankly we should hand over Berahino to Spurs for the good of football, the commonwealth and her majesty the queen.

National press is a joke when it comes to WBA.

And in other news, is FieryMoose back?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on August 13, 2015, 11:38:03 AM
Daniel Levy v Jeremy Peace 
Who is your £££ when it comes to doing deals than 
mines on JP
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 13, 2015, 11:47:41 AM
Daniel Levy v Jeremy Peace 
Who is your £££ when it comes to doing deals than 
mines on JP

Mine too.  By a country mile.



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 13, 2015, 12:26:54 PM
This is just the BBC rehashing the "story" from the Daily Mail that never seemed to have any substance whatsoever.

Totally agree with everything you've said in the rest of your post.

Also, I might have imagined it but I'm sure I read somewhere that if Berahino signed a new contract before October/November he would have to give a percentage to his old agent. If that is true then I would think that is why there is no movement on a new contract.

That's exactly the point. Id expect Saido to sign a new contract i November/December and for that contract to have a release clause in, activatable as of next summer for a "reasonable" fee (circa £25m maybe?).

In that situation everyone wins.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Watton...! on August 13, 2015, 02:13:19 PM
Seriously tempted to take skybets 3/1 on him still being here end of the window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 13, 2015, 03:31:03 PM
Daniel Levy v Jeremy Peace 
Who is your £££ when it comes to doing deals than 
mines on JP

Isn't Levy the guy who spent the £100m from Bale without making any noticeable improvement to their squad?  Negotiated great prices for the likes of Lamela... £30m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 13, 2015, 03:51:01 PM
Seriously tempted to take skybets 3/1 on him still being here end of the window.

Personally I think that's great odds. He won't go anywhere
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on August 13, 2015, 04:24:45 PM
You are forgetting that Daniel Levy is in charge of Spurs so infinitely better at doing deals than JP and quite frankly we should hand over Berahino to Spurs for the good of football, the commonwealth and her majesty the queen.

National press is a joke when it comes to WBA.

And in other news, is FieryMoose back?
What  a load of twaddle Levy sells well and reinvests less and badly like Everton. Their fans are going mad.Give me JP any day of the week. In fact if JP was at a bigger club he would do very well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 13, 2015, 05:31:26 PM
What  a load of twaddle Levy sells well and reinvests less and badly like Everton. Their fans are going mad.Give me JP any day of the week. In fact if JP was at a bigger club he would do very well.

Not for me to say but I fear you may have overlooked the sardonic intent of Londonbaggymike's post.

EDIT: spellcheck corrected.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 13, 2015, 06:36:01 PM
Not for me to say but I fear you may have overlooked the sardonic intent of Londonbabbymike's post.

Cheers buddy, saves me pointing it out!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on August 13, 2015, 09:46:44 PM
Does he want to be a Baggies' icon/hero?
If so, he just has to sign on the bottom and play to his known potential.
He can join the likes of Kevan, Astle, Hope, Bomber, Sneekes, and Super Bob.
Does he want that or the lure of filthy lucre?

Very naive fella. We can all harp on about how he would progress by staying a baggie and becoming a legend - however, unfortunately the financial climate dictates otherwise. For instance, Saido could profess his undying love for all that is blue and white, sign a 5 yr contract, then we receive a 40 million pound bid from Man Utd after he's produced another 20 goal season - he'd politely be ushered out of the door with thanks as he kicks and screams!!

I really believe that the boy is sensible, and knows that eventually his talent will allow him to reach the top. My only concern is the timing, as I would sincerely hate to see his talent go to waste. Ultimately, another strong season for us will increase his stock value in every sense of the word.......a move could see him reduced to far less game time, and facing stagnation in a team that he isn't quite ready for yet.

A question that many would argue is, 'he's confident and backs his ability'....rubbish. He may well do, but this isn't my point - it's about his long-term success. Let's face it, how many of our 'big sales' of recent years have gone on to rip trees up?

In an ideal world, he would have a great new contract with a relatively high buy out clause - leaving him to focus on becoming a great striker in the knowledge he'll have the game time to achieve his goals.

I accept he may well go......I just know he'd be so much better prepared if the above factors were realised.

Another 20 goal season and I'll wish him all the very best of success for ever more - if he stays for the next few years = Legend!

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on August 14, 2015, 12:09:11 AM
Its quite a big season for Saido.

I dont know the exact stats but i think since Pulis came in (not including the Gateshead game) i think out his 20 goals last season he scored 5 or 6 from January onwards?

However his all round game improved massively under Pulis, his knowledge, workrate, just overall he has become a better player.

The thing is at the moment he is viewed as a goalscorer, thats why he has a big price tag, however this season if he stays i would think he will be used out wide quite a lot, again doing a good job but his goals record will dry up a lot.

We have Rondon, Lambert and Ideye or Anichebe (assuming one of those will be sold) realistically none of those can play anywhere other than as a striker (maybe Lambert playing a bit deeper) so it means accomodating Berahino elswhere.

 I am not saying Berahino wont ever play upfront, i think he will but i dont think it will be his settled position and as a natural goalscorer, i think thats where he should play, but because i dont think he will do that, regardless of new contract or not, i dont think as it stands Berahino this time next year will be (a) be valued at £25m and (b) anywhere near the England squad.

In my opinion its a big call, does he stay and become a better all round player or go and do what he does best - score goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: spyro on August 14, 2015, 12:27:03 AM
Its quite a big season for Saido.

I dont know the exact stats but i think since Pulis came in (not including the Gateshead game) i think out his 20 goals last season he scored 5 or 6 from January onwards?

However his all round game improved massively under Pulis, his knowledge, workrate, just overall he has become a better player.

The thing is at the moment he is viewed as a goalscorer, thats why he has a big price tag, however this season if he stays i would think he will be used out wide quite a lot, again doing a good job but his goals record will dry up a lot.

We have Rondon, Lambert and Ideye or Anichebe (assuming one of those will be sold) realistically none of those can play anywhere other than as a striker (maybe Lambert playing a bit deeper) so it means accomodating Berahino elswhere.

 I am not saying Berahino wont ever play upfront, i think he will but i dont think it will be his settled position and as a natural goalscorer, i think thats where he should play, but because i dont think he will do that, regardless of new contract or not, i dont think as it stands Berahino this time next year will be (a) be valued at £25m and (b) anywhere near the England squad.

In my opinion its a big call, does he stay and become a better all round player or go and do what he does best - score goals.
lambert will be on the bench once rondon comes in we surely cant play two target men up top
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 14, 2015, 03:13:54 AM
lambert will be on the bench once rondon comes in we surely cant play two target men up top

I think you are possibly right, but I can see us playing two target men particularly if we are chasing a game against opposition of similar quality and status as us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 14, 2015, 05:32:55 AM
Its quite a big season for Saido.

I dont know the exact stats but i think since Pulis came in (not including the Gateshead game) i think out his 20 goals last season he scored 5 or 6 from January onwards?

However his all round game improved massively under Pulis, his knowledge, workrate, just overall he has become a better player.

The thing is at the moment he is viewed as a goalscorer, thats why he has a big price tag, however this season if he stays i would think he will be used out wide quite a lot, again doing a good job but his goals record will dry up a lot.

We have Rondon, Lambert and Ideye or Anichebe (assuming one of those will be sold) realistically none of those can play anywhere other than as a striker (maybe Lambert playing a bit deeper) so it means accomodating Berahino elswhere.

 I am not saying Berahino wont ever play upfront, i think he will but i dont think it will be his settled position and as a natural goalscorer, i think thats where he should play, but because i dont think he will do that, regardless of new contract or not, i dont think as it stands Berahino this time next year will be (a) be valued at £25m and (b) anywhere near the England squad.

In my opinion its a big call, does he stay and become a better all round player or go and do what he does best - score goals.


But if he goes to Spurs with Kane up front, he will be pushed out wide in a similar way to us, but its right that if he stays here and that happens here he will not be the hot property and crave the same attention as he is now doing. On balance I think it is right time to sell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: buzzingbaggie on August 14, 2015, 06:21:21 AM
Its quite a big season for Saido.

I dont know the exact stats but i think since Pulis came in (not including the Gateshead game) i think out his 20 goals last season he scored 5 or 6 from January onwards?

However his all round game improved massively under Pulis, his knowledge, workrate, just overall he has become a better player.

The thing is at the moment he is viewed as a goalscorer, thats why he has a big price tag, however this season if he stays i would think he will be used out wide quite a lot, again doing a good job but his goals record will dry up a lot.

We have Rondon, Lambert and Ideye or Anichebe (assuming one of those will be sold) realistically none of those can play anywhere other than as a striker (maybe Lambert playing a bit deeper) so it means accomodating Berahino elswhere.

 I am not saying Berahino wont ever play upfront, i think he will but i dont think it will be his settled position and as a natural goalscorer, i think thats where he should play, but because i dont think he will do that, regardless of new contract or not, i dont think as it stands Berahino this time next year will be (a) be valued at £25m and (b) anywhere near the England squad.

In my opinion its a big call, does he stay and become a better all round player or go and do what he does best - score goals.


The right time to maximise profit. I hope he stays and if his values decreases as his goals do but he still makes a contribution to the team as he did last season I would be happy with that.

It comes down to motives, does peace want to make a profit (we're a business) or does he want to build a strong team (we're still a football club).

Flip a coin for r me if spurs or whoever stump up the cash he's gone, I hope they dont but understand if they do why we would accept.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 14, 2015, 06:40:12 AM
lambert will be on the bench once rondon comes in we surely cant play two target men up top
It certainly wouldn't have been Lambert's intention to swap Liverpool's bench for ours. He moved purely because he wasn't starting games at Liverpool and took a pay cut for that reason.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on August 14, 2015, 07:28:05 AM
The last time we had a brilliant striker and stuck him on the wing it all went a bit sour. He's brilliant running off the last man and scores goals - if he stays he has to play up front in my humble!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 14, 2015, 08:52:14 AM
The last time we had a brilliant striker and stuck him on the wing it all went a bit sour. He's brilliant running off the last man and scores goals - if he stays he has to play up front in my humble!

Totally agree - lukaku being signed short ruined Pete long term. Pete could have been our best ever striker in the prem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 14, 2015, 08:56:37 AM
Totally agree - lukaku being signed short ruined Pete long term. Pete could have been our best ever striker in the prem.

To be fair I think it was more the signing of Shane Long the season after Odemwingie scored 15 goals that started it all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on August 14, 2015, 09:21:54 AM
I don't think Lambert has to be just a target man. He's got a good touch and good vision and could play behind the main target of Rondon, with Berahino left to his own devices at will.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Watton...! on August 14, 2015, 10:41:45 AM
Totally agree - lukaku being signed short ruined Pete long term. Pete could have been our best ever striker in the prem.

Pete still is the best striker we've had in the prem
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on August 14, 2015, 11:33:39 PM
Pete still is the best striker we've had in the prem

Got to agree - shame it ended on a sour note. As a person and pro, Lukaku and his conduct was a different class. For this he has my respect.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mac on August 15, 2015, 08:50:18 AM
So Tottenham think they can get Saido for £15m. Not a chance when they value Dembele at the same amount. Double it and your close.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on August 15, 2015, 09:34:08 AM
So Tottenham think they can get Saido for £15m. Not a chance when they value Dembele at the same amount. Double it and your close.
Jeez, have they not even made their £15 million bid yet. How long does it take to prepare a bid? Especially one where you know the response will be to laugh in your face. Farcical.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 15, 2015, 09:56:33 AM
I read an article last night saying Spurs were going to start by bidding £15m, looks like it takes them longer to prepare bids than we do. It also says they are confident they can get him for £20m, I would like to know where that confidence is coming from as they have clearly never dealt with Jeremy Peace before.

It would be interesting to know where these journalists are getting their figures from, all talk of £15m bids and Albion wanting £25m for him. Are they just plucking numbers out of thin air?

I would be pretty angry if we accepted anything less than £30m for him at this stage.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Plastic Paddy on August 15, 2015, 10:08:51 AM
I will be glad when the transfer deadline is closed and the constant speculation regarding Saido ends. However, if he does end up leaving there is not a hope in hell that JP will sell for £15m.

As a comparison, Everton have rejected a bid of £26m for John Stones from Chelsea who is of a similar age to Saido and has made fewer first team appearances!

We also appear to be in a good financial position whereby the club doesn't have to sell which can only help push the price up!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 15, 2015, 11:24:49 AM
It is pure speculation as to what Albion might accept but it is pretty obvious someone from the Spurs side is briefing the London media because the story just doesn't go away. I don't know whether it is an attempt to unsettle the player to undermine our position but the longer this goes on I guess the harder the attitude will be when a bid does materialise.

The one chip that Spurs have is that we might covet some of their players e.g. Fazio but a player swap is always fraught the two clubs have to agree a valuation on two players and the player moving in other direction has to agree to the move. My view is that unless Spurs get a bid in and it is north of £20m this is just not happening and the longer it drags on the less likely we are to cut a deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on August 15, 2015, 11:46:00 AM
Spurs have signed Clinton Njie from Lyon, so surely they will not be after Saido now?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on August 15, 2015, 12:13:34 PM
With saido leaving his agent in October can't see him agreeing to join another team until he's got a new agent. So if a deal does go through it will be peace who sanctions it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on August 15, 2015, 12:15:45 PM
Spurs have signed Clinton Njie from Lyon, so surely they will not be after Saido now?
Great news, they spent £11 million on Njie who is also a young striker. If they truly did value Berahino at £15 million then I think it's a solid assumption that this ends their interest.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on August 15, 2015, 12:27:09 PM
Sky reported last week that Spurs want to sign both Berahino & Nije.

Adebayor will be shipped out and Soldado is on the verge of going back Spain.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 15, 2015, 12:33:12 PM
Sky reported last week that Spurs want to sign both Berahino & Nije.

Adebayor will be shipped out and Soldado is on the verge of going back Spain.

Soldado's departure was confirmed yesterday.   Adebayor will be gone by end of the transfer window.

Isn't Nije a winger?

Anyway, bottom line is that Spurs have overall freed up a lot of cash in transfer fees and wages. No excuse for them not offering the asking price for Berahino.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 15, 2015, 12:34:51 PM
Sky reported last week that Spurs want to sign both Berahino & Nije.

Adebayor will be shipped out and Soldado is on the verge of going back Spain.

Even if that is the case they will struggle to get shot of Adebayor until late on in the window and the money they have paid for a young lad that has a far less impressive goal scoring record as well as less experience than Saido shows how pathetic the valuation of him is rumoured to be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 15, 2015, 02:41:22 PM
I think the noises coming from Pulis suggests that he knows Berahino will be going this transfer window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 15, 2015, 05:08:11 PM
I think the noises coming from Pulis suggests that he knows Berahino will be going this transfer window.
Not if he keeps missing sitters.
1 on Monday and again today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 15, 2015, 05:33:32 PM
I think the noises coming from Pulis suggests that he knows Berahino will be going this transfer window.

We have to make sure of a net spend of £0.

Seriously if we need to sell him to bring in a couple of quality midfielders then it would be worth doing IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: spyro on August 15, 2015, 05:49:26 PM
Hope he leaves for the sake of his own career
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 15, 2015, 05:51:56 PM
We have to make sure of a net spend of £0.

Seriously if we need to sell him to bring in a couple of quality midfielders then it would be worth doing IMO.

Yep, plus someone to replace him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 15, 2015, 06:17:31 PM
Another terrible miss today. Still don't think anyone will meet Jeremy's asking price.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 15, 2015, 06:22:11 PM
Another terrible miss today. Still don't think anyone will meet Jeremy's asking price.

Fine ...... He stays so win-win
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 15, 2015, 10:21:17 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-expect-land-west-broms-6259154#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Erm £100k/week.........wtf? They been on the booze?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 15, 2015, 10:34:12 PM
It needs sorting one way or the other, they either put up and pay what we want or he stays and signs a new deal. We can't risk his contract running down and us losing him for peanuts
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 15, 2015, 10:36:00 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-expect-land-west-broms-6259154#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Erm £100k/week.........wtf? They been on the booze?

How could personal terms be "agreed" before a price has been agreed between the clubs?  He can't even talk to them until the two clubs have agreed.

Utter nonsense.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 15, 2015, 10:38:42 PM
It needs sorting one way or the other, they either put up and pay what we want or he stays and signs a new deal. We can't risk his contract running down and us losing him for peanuts

Agree, I honestly feel he will be gone before the window shuts. I just hope its sooner than later so we can spend the money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on August 15, 2015, 10:41:35 PM
I think the writing is on the wall. Berahino will go for £20m plus and my crystal ball also tells me that TP will be able to re-invest the money immediately and, judging by his after match comments, he has his replacement (s) lined up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 15, 2015, 11:02:19 PM
I think the writing is on the wall. Berahino will go for £20m plus and my crystal ball also tells me that TP will be able to re-invest the money immediately and, judging by his after match comments, he has his replacement (s) lined up.

I'm now keen that he goes.  Not in any way a slur on him, but we clearly need to strengthen and evolve in too many areas where we lack sufficient quality.  The money from his sale is essential to finance this, and with Rondon, Lambert and inevitably one more striker to come in, we will have enough up front.

Hope a deal happens this week at close to £25m.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on August 15, 2015, 11:34:07 PM
It's now about squeezing out the add-ons  for international appearances etc, I'm afraid.  I'd say he's off to Spuds.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on August 15, 2015, 11:42:29 PM
Absolute rubbish . He is only on 15 k a wheel at the moment . Where do they get 100k a week .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on August 16, 2015, 12:08:05 AM
How could personal terms be "agreed" before a price has been agreed between the clubs?  He can't even talk to them until the two clubs have agreed.

Utter nonsense.
I don't give the story much credibility, but it's fairly common that players have most of their personal terms 'agreed' before potentially even a bid comes in. Spurs will know through his agent roughly what he'd want and he'll know what they are willing to give him.

It will be the same for any of our targets. They will all know roughly what their deal will be already, even though some may never come off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 16, 2015, 12:17:12 AM
I don't give the story much credibility, but it's fairly common that players have most of their personal terms 'agreed' before potentially even a bid comes in. Spurs will know through his agent roughly what he'd want and he'll know what they are willing to give him.

It will be the same for any of our targets. They will all know roughly what their deal will be already, even though some may never come off.

It is illegal to talk to another club's player, either directly or through his agent, until the current club has given its permission.

Furthermore, Berahino currently does not have an agent
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on August 16, 2015, 01:00:19 AM
It is illegal to talk to another club's player, either directly or through his agent, until the current club has given its permission.

Furthermore, Berahino currently does not have an agent
It is supposed to be illegal but they all do it. Every club does it, even us. Do you really think the likes of Rondon, Chester or Lambert didn't know what we might put on the table, or at least their representatives anyway.

This kind of discussion with agents happens all day every day with clubs and is a huge part of their job. Also, Berahino DOES have an agent, and a very busy one at that. Yes, he was put off by his involvement in the Sterling deal and is potentially looking to change when their agreement ends on November, but until that point he is still represented by his existing agent, who is probably desperate to get a move pushed through so he can get the chance to get the pay out he is likely to be entitled to contractually.

In any event, Saido could easily be represented by another agent at the same time. Lots of players, although mainly foreign players, have several agents at one time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 16, 2015, 03:50:33 AM
He will definitely have someone still working on his behalf as the deal with the management group runs until November as mentioned. Even though it is illegal to hold talks with players through their agents without permission it clearly happens, they let their agents know the kind of figures they are dealing with.

I would still be surprised of someone met our valuation of him this summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on August 16, 2015, 05:16:13 AM
I think Berahino is gone. I think the deal will be somewhere around the 22 million mark with some add ons and it will be to Tottenham who I suspect have the most interest.
I am not overly pleased with that outcome, because he does guarantee goals, but.. I think he will want to move, but Tottenham is a strange one, they should have the cattle to play Champions League, but they keep missing the mark. The Bale sale went horrible wrong for them with what they picked up and I think they will effectively turn an 80 million sale into about 40 million return by the time they are done.
With the pairing of Berahino and Kane on a regular basis I think Roy and all England supporters will be over the moon.

The question is, what do we do with the funds, because for my mind we need to reinvest and seek an equivalent striker in not only goals, but also in style to help compliment Rondon. I don't see a Rondon + Ideye or Rondon + Anichebe comination working.

I don't know the answer to who, but perhaps it is better to look to bring a player like Kagawa back to the prem. He has loads of talent and was certainly under utilized in his last year at Man United.
He would cost a packet, but if we are looking at 10 million for some of the names bandied around I would prefer a few more quid and get a real quality player if we are losing a real quality player.

2 Phillips do not equal a Berahino in my mind (not even close)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stucost1 on August 16, 2015, 06:28:59 AM
I think it best for Saido that he goes if I am honest. We certainly will not play to his strengths. I know it is only two games in but it must be frustrating for a striker to feed off scraps. Our game calls for two big strikers who can control it and bring other people into the game, this is not Saido. Yes he has had two clear cut chances in those games to score, I think if these fell to Richie or Solomon perhaps they might have notched. So it is probably best for both parties.

I got the sense yesterday when he came back on to the pitch to clap the fans that, that was the last we would see of him. I do think if given the chance to develop he will be a fine player at Spurs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 16, 2015, 06:39:00 AM
Like you I think Saido is gone already,  but I just don't think that Spuds is the right club for him. I can see him in an Arsenal or Man U shirt quite easily but I am puzzled as to why he would want to go to a thursday night channel 5 side.....

Tottenham are very good at paying big prices for players and not getting the best out of them.....Soldado??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jharman292 on August 16, 2015, 06:47:02 AM
For me, the signs have been starting to turn all week towards him leaving and i would actually be very surprised now if he stays beyond this summer. I am a huge fan of Berahino but have concluded i would be happy to take the money and wish him well. There are numerous reasons for this.

Firstly, he will never play in his best position under Pulis, meaning that his biggest strength of running in behind defenders will never be used. If he is too play in the hole or on the wing, there are better options out there who are more accustomed to the role.

Secondly, we need the money. Im not sure the budget that TP has but if it is anywhere near spent then we need to sell because there is still major work to be done this summer. Biggest priority for me being a creative central midfielder which in the modern game, cost money.

I really do hope that he goes with the fans blessing. The kid has been at the club since he was 9, worked all the way up, scored a bag of goals for us and will now make us a chunky profit. This is the exact reason we have invested so much into the academy, hopefully there are plenty more to follow in his footsteps.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 16, 2015, 07:29:44 AM
If its all true, £100k a week in his pocket and the bright lights of Landan, the kid will be tipped over the edge
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 16, 2015, 09:02:22 AM
With Pulis also lauding the amount of dealing to be done in the next few weeks you can only see Berahino one way and probably a winger (Lennon) and centre back (Fazio) coming this way as part of the deal.
Maybe?  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on August 16, 2015, 09:03:37 AM
With Pulis also lauding the amount of dealing to be done in the next few weeks you can only see Berahino one way and probably a winger (Lennon) and centre back (Fazio) coming this way as part of the deal.
Maybe?  :o

In one of the articles on newsnow (which could be total tosh) it states that we want a cash-only deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 16, 2015, 09:15:04 AM
It is illegal to talk to another club's player, either directly or through his agent, until the current club has given its permission.

Furthermore, Berahino currently does not have an agent

Until any club talks serious money (25 ish) then he goes no where and he cannot negotiate any 'wage'.
However, his prolonged post match acknowledgement of the fans yesterday may give us our first real signs we might be losing him?
If we do sell him then ALL money must be reinvested as most would be needed for a replacement as we don't have a striker any where near his skill set in the squad let alone replacing his goals!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 16, 2015, 09:23:22 AM
It is illegal to talk to another club's player, either directly or through his agent, until the current club has given its permission.

Furthermore, Berahino currently does not have an agent

Its illegal to drive more than 30 MPH in a built up area but how many people do it?
I think it's very naive to believe that 'tapping up' doesn't go on.
I think you'll find that Berahino still has representation as well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 16, 2015, 09:28:50 AM
If I was Berahino I would be begging Tottenham to stump up the money. They are a step up from West Brom but with somewhat less expectation than a Manchester team or Chelsea/Arsenal. Under Pulis, at the minute, he doesn't look like we will play a style of football that will allow him to flourish and he will have opportunity  (so long as they can hold on to him ) to play with and forge a partnership with Harry Kane which could not only benefit Saido but England too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 16, 2015, 09:29:37 AM
Its illegal to drive more than 30 MPH in a built up area but how many people do it?
I think it's very naive to believe that 'tapping up' doesn't go on.
I think you'll find that Berahino still has representation as well.

Seems like it's me who is naive!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on August 16, 2015, 09:36:09 AM
This isnt going away is it. I rate berahino but if someone came in with 20 million plus id sell him! Its too much money for us to turn down
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on August 16, 2015, 09:54:42 AM
I am surprised Arsenal don't seem to have any kind of interest, he's exactly their sort of player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 16, 2015, 09:57:58 AM
I am surprised Arsenal don't seem to have any kind of interest, he's exactly their sort of player.

I agree, especially with Welbeck being injured.   Maybe they will jump in once they know we are ready to do a deal with Spurs
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on August 16, 2015, 10:02:22 AM
Why are we even negotiating at under £30 mill. Barmy
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on August 16, 2015, 10:04:21 AM
Why are we even negotiating at under £30 mill. Barmy

Could it be because the squad really does need an overhaul and Saido is our only real saleable asset?

And he doesn't want to stay of course.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 16, 2015, 10:10:09 AM
Could it be because the squad really does need an overhaul and Saido is our only real saleable asset?

And he doesn't want to stay of course.

I think that's spot on.  It's correct that we don't have to sell, but an awful lot of rebuilding can take place with even £20m extra.

If we don't sell then whilst we retain a player whose goals would just about keep us up, there is no chance of the playing style changing.   If we sell him, then TP can bring in enough fresh faces to give us hope of a better playing style. 

I'd only be worried about selling him now if we hadn't already signed Rondon and Lambert.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on August 16, 2015, 10:24:35 AM
I think that's spot on.  It's correct that we don't have to sell, but an awful lot of rebuilding can take place with even £20m extra.

If we don't sell then whilst we retain a player whose goals would just about keep us up, there is no chance of the playing style changing.   If we sell him, then TP can bring in enough fresh faces to give us hope of a better playing style. 

I'd only be worried about selling him now if we hadn't already signed Rondon and Lambert.

It's also quite possible that Spurs feel they have us over a barrel to some degree. There doesn't appear to be a stampede of buyers for Saido, not having a real big money backer we do need to sell to buy, and like I said, who else do we have that will bring in big(ish) money. Vic? Brown? Joleon? There is no one.

It's pretty clear that this story has legs, and my feeling us that Saido is open to going there. If no one else steps in for him then in my view they hold all the cards because we really do need the money to try to rectify the bloody awful, unbalanced, disjointed mess our squad has become over the last three or four years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 16, 2015, 10:30:02 AM
Very good post. He is a young lad and have no doubt all this speculation is playing with his head. You don't know if someone is speaking to him behind the clubs back. Last season he would have buried hose two chances. Look how Seansea have invested the Bony money. Big two weeks for Saido and the club. If he does go let's hope he gets a good reception when he comes back. Has been a true professional over the last 8 months
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 16, 2015, 10:32:39 AM
Trying to pick the signs out of the swirl of speculation is difficult. Plainly it is naive to think that players are not aware of the personal terms on offer at other clubs because the first call that is made when a club is interested in signing a player is to that player's agent not his club

I think for the first time I do believe that there is something in this Spurs story but quite how far they are prepared to go remains to be seen. At £20m they are still short of any realistic valuation but as I said before there are players at Spurs who we might be interested in so some sort of deal might be possible.

Equally I no longer believe that the player's development will be hampered by leaving on the contrary he has to get away from Pulisball to blossom, which saddens me but that is how it looks to me at the moment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 16, 2015, 10:45:18 AM
Still no bids for Saido you can all calm down now and stop worrying about media speculation for the time being Atleast :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on August 16, 2015, 11:13:37 AM
Still no bids for Saido you can all calm down now and stop worrying about media speculation for the time being Atleast :P

While it's comforting to hear that no bids have been received, it doesn't really address the concerns that the Spurs stories haven't quietened down at all in fact the opposite nor that it is quie possible that Saido has been tapped up either directly or through his outgoing agent.

Time will tell I guess and the truth will out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 16, 2015, 11:20:15 AM
Why is everyone "convinced" that Berahino is "sold"? He won't go for under £30m, and nobody has tabled an offer yet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 16, 2015, 12:32:03 PM
If he does go it will be for a few players and cash. If Spurs do want him then Townsend, Fasio or Lennon could be part of the deal
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ranvir wba90 on August 16, 2015, 12:46:40 PM
Can see berahino leaving and lennon or townsend coming in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2015, 01:02:35 PM
Wish people would stop going on about player exchanges. They hardly ever happen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jharman292 on August 16, 2015, 01:07:34 PM
It doesn't have to be a player exchange as such, just a willingness to discuss a move for one of their players with more of an open mind.

For example, a reduced fee for Fazio. Sure if there are Spurs players we are interested in, they will be discussed in any negotiations.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 16, 2015, 02:44:07 PM
Out of interest how many goals from open play has Berahino scored under Pulis?

I think he is wasted in a Pulis side myself. He needs a move. Yestetday he looked like his mind was elsewhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 16, 2015, 03:02:32 PM
It is supposed to be illegal but they all do it. Every club does it, even us. Do you really think the likes of Rondon, Chester or Lambert didn't know what we might put on the table, or at least their representatives anyway.

This kind of discussion with agents happens all day every day with clubs and is a huge part of their job. Also, Berahino DOES have an agent, and a very busy one at that. Yes, he was put off by his involvement in the Sterling deal and is potentially looking to change when their agreement ends on November, but until that point he is still represented by his existing agent, who is probably desperate to get a move pushed through so he can get the chance to get the pay out he is likely to be entitled to contractually.

In any event, Saido could easily be represented by another agent at the same time. Lots of players, although mainly foreign players, have several agents at one time.
correct 100%
player a gets a phone call that says "hi, this is in no way an official approach but just for clarification , should you decide to move in the future what wage would you be looking at and what level of club do you think would best further your career ?"

to me I would sell , cost nothing , maybe had his head turned a little (and that doesnt normally bode well) and I think we may almost start to over rely on him , I dont want a situation like Delph where he is Corberan , then judas, then messiah , then judas , sell now (and you guys wont like this) use the players that we have upfront because they are good enough , keeping the cash for the future .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on August 16, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
I'm starting to think that he will be on his way. Clearly Tottenham are feeding stories to the press about their interest in him and as we get closer to the transfer window shutting, they will have to make a move for somebody soon if they want to challenge the big 5.

It's just the fee I don't get. How can Spurs hope to get him for a fee in the region of 15 million when Charlie Austin and Jordan Rhodes are being rated at similar (despite being older) and Luke Shaw and John Stones have been valued at 30 million over the last few months.

If we get 25 million I accept that's a good fee, but we will need to reinvest it very quickly as we do not have a forward in a similar mould to Berahino who is quick, skillful and can play in a wide attacking role when needed.

Hopefully we have planned for the eventuality that he leaves.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 16, 2015, 03:40:01 PM
Another young forward to replace him. James Wilson comes to mind
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 16, 2015, 07:47:42 PM
Intresting twitter update from Steve Madeley


Steve Madeley @smadeley_star
I'm assured the Berahino situation remains unchanged. Fairly clear Spurs have an interest, but so far no bid or even enquiry.And considering Albion have been in touch with senior Spurs officials re Fazio, there's been ample opportunity for Saido enquiry.


Reading between the lines there it sounds like the club is getting a little inebriated off with the press campaign to unsettle the player which would not suggest a plan is in place which involves the sale of Saido nor that a Spurs bid would be welcomed

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 16, 2015, 07:47:56 PM
Best player by a million miles yesterday - there came a point in the second half yesterday where I felt sorry for him.

His all round games seems to be coming on leaps and bounds, he was the only player who actually managed and looked comfortable with the ball, constantly retaining possession and at times carrying us 30 yards down the pitch. Just a shame that nobody else appears to be on his wave length. He knows he missed a sitter and that would have capped off his game. If we are going to survive then we will rely on him to score goals - with Rondon an unknown quality so far I really hope we hold off for another season. Although, I wouldn't begrudge the lad if he wanted to move for the sake of his career - he'll get much better service elsewhere.

The defensive side of his game has improved a lot too. Great work ethic to go with his ability. Hopefully we're seeing him mature.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on August 16, 2015, 08:16:33 PM
The deal may happen at £22m + Fazio in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on August 16, 2015, 09:07:40 PM
Best player by a million miles yesterday - there came a point in the second half yesterday where I felt sorry for him.

His all round games seems to be coming on leaps and bounds, he was the only player who actually managed and looked comfortable with the ball, constantly retaining possession and at times carrying us 30 yards down the pitch. Just a shame that nobody else appears to be on his wave length. He knows he missed a sitter and that would have capped off his game. If we are going to survive then we will rely on him to score goals - with Rondon an unknown quality so far I really hope we hold off for another season. Although, I wouldn't begrudge the lad if he wanted to move for the sake of his career - he'll get much better service elsewhere.

The defensive side of his game has improved a lot too. Great work ethic to go with his ability. Hopefully we're seeing him mature.
most comfortable player when he's got the ball in the team yesterday ,you just notice small things that he's improved on especially his defensive duties. he will be the dogs bollox whereas the rest of the team were just bollox really.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Cleobury_WBA on August 16, 2015, 09:17:32 PM
I think Saido will be on his way to Spurs IF they can agree the right price. JP knows how valuable his asset his and he is not a man to back down. I can see him being annoyed about the rumours and figures being bandied about in the media, when there hasn't been an official approach yet. I think this will make him even more determined to stick to his guns regarding his valuation. Personally I think £25m is an acceptable bid. Hopefully that money can buy us at least 3 decent replacements.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 16, 2015, 10:18:15 PM
Saido is quality.
Some will not realise what we have until he has gone.
The same supporters will then moan that we should never have let him go when he comes back with another club.
 :(.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: graka on August 16, 2015, 10:48:35 PM
I think if we are going to play him out wide then perhaps a move is best for both party's. 18 mill plus dembele should do it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on August 17, 2015, 08:11:55 AM
You think he'll go i think he will stay
the one thing that is i'm sure of is he's missed two goals that 99 times out of a 100 he would have buried & thats down to all this speculation about him moving to this team or that its doing MY head in let alone Saido's
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: we8seals on August 17, 2015, 08:15:27 AM
You think he'll go i think he will stay
the one thing that is i'm sure of is he's missed two goals that 99 times out of a 100 he would have buried & thats down to all this speculation about him moving to this team or that its doing MY head in let alone Saido's

the speculation might have played a part in the miss on Saturday, but so did not giving him a sniff of the ball in the right areas for 90 mins.

I would not sell him given an option, however if we are not going to play him in the position that will get the best from him we might as well trouser the 20million
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 17, 2015, 08:54:59 AM
If Raheem Sterling is worth £49m, I'm puzzled as to why many seem to regard Berahino as "only" being worth £25m? Does what club it is that's selling a player make any difference? If so, it shouldn't.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: the other AJ on August 17, 2015, 12:04:31 PM
Raheem isn't worth$49m, the team that bought him were prepared to pay that sum as they don't have to quibble over finances in their position.

I dare say that if Citeh were interested in Berahino (hypothetically), JP wouldn't have to play too much hard ball to get a decent $25m+ fee.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 17, 2015, 12:56:37 PM
If I was him I'd want out now.

I'd want to go somewhere I was going to play in my position, that tried to play football, with decent footballers around me.

And that's without taking the money into account.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on August 17, 2015, 01:13:19 PM
Saido is quality.
Some will not realise what we have until he has gone.
The same supporters will then moan that we should never have let him go when he comes back with another club.
 :(.

It was a seriously bad error to let Dorrans & Mulumbu go too. Gardner and Morrison are utter powder puff in comparison. I'm hanging all my hopes on Rondon and Gnabry now....but will he pick both? Saido's bound to go now, lets just pocket the cash and get it over with.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Tipton Baggie on August 17, 2015, 01:14:24 PM
Fazio and lennon on the way bera to sign for spurs this week....according to the radio
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 17, 2015, 03:31:06 PM
Fazio and lennon on the way bera to sign for spurs this week....according to the radio

V poor deal for Albion.  Wouldn't  want either of them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 17, 2015, 03:32:43 PM
V poor deal for Albion.  Wouldn't  want either of them.

Agreed. I wonder how much cash we'd be getting as part of that?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 17, 2015, 03:39:04 PM
Fazio and lennon on the way bera to sign for spurs this week....according to the radio


what radio?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 17, 2015, 03:40:28 PM
V poor deal for Albion.  Wouldn't  want either of them.

Agreed squad players at best and we already have too many of them!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 17, 2015, 03:49:01 PM
V poor deal for Albion.  Wouldn't  want either of them.
Gutted if we took those non performing Spuds cast offs and let our only goalscorer - English at that - go unless there was a load of cash as well.

ENGLISH YOUNG and Goal scorer = massive premium in the market !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 17, 2015, 03:55:34 PM
Regarding Federico Fazio:

Southampton 2 v 2 Spurs

"Federico Fazio, 5 -- Looked vulnerable against the pace of Sadio Mane, who even nutmegged him in the second half, and was beaten in the air by Pelle when Southampton scored their second goal. A performance that leaves Spurs supporters wondering just exactly what are Fazio's strengths".

Oh dear.

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/tottenham-hotspur/367/blog/post/2416910/federico-fazio-and-ben-davies-errors-plague-tottenham (http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/tottenham-hotspur/367/blog/post/2416910/federico-fazio-and-ben-davies-errors-plague-tottenham)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bomberblueand white on August 17, 2015, 04:03:10 PM
Man U fans saying they had Saido scouted on Sat. Would take 25 mill off them and have Wilson on season loan
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 17, 2015, 04:10:09 PM
Man U fans saying they had Saido scouted on Sat. Would take 25 mill off them and have Wilson on season loan


Anywhere for the right price but spuds, Man ure would be his dream move, his heads gone i wont loose any more sleep
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 17, 2015, 04:27:27 PM
Man U fans saying they had Saido scouted on Sat. Would take 25 mill off them and have Wilson on season loan

I'd take Wilson on loan regardless of whether United buy Saido.

I can see a United deal involving Evans in part exchange, with Wilson on loan.  With the right amount of cash on top that's a far better deal than Fazio and Lennon in my view
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 17, 2015, 04:52:57 PM
I'd take Wilson on loan regardless of whether United buy Saido.

I can see a United deal involving Evans in part exchange, with Wilson on loan.  With the right amount of cash on top that's a far better deal than Fazio and Lennon in my view

I agree its a better deal, but I wouldn't take it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 17, 2015, 07:19:35 PM

what radio?

Must have been Radio GaGa
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 17, 2015, 07:54:10 PM
Saido is quality.
Some will not realise what we have until he has gone.
The same supporters will then moan that we should never have let him go when he comes back with another club.
 :(.

I fear you may be right   >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on August 17, 2015, 09:56:33 PM
Got my fingers and toes crossed that TP has managed to get some sense in the lad to have another season with us!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: graka on August 17, 2015, 10:23:56 PM
How bout this for a scenario. Swap saido for dembele and Townsend. Sign Phillips and go with this in midfield and up top


   Gnabry.                                      fletcher.                 Dembele.                       Townsend


                                                                    Phillips

                                                                   Rondon
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 17, 2015, 10:35:01 PM
Transfers where players are included very rarely happen, can't remember the last time it did to be honest. I think it should be a straight cash deal if he goes.

I'm seeing articles now stating Chelsea are set to bid £30m for John Stones but Everton want £40m yet some of our fans would be happy to take £20m for Saido, we are going to massively sell ourselves short if we let him go for that kind of money. Its just a shame he didn't have an extra year on his current contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on August 17, 2015, 10:48:30 PM
How bout this for a scenario. Swap saido for dembele and Townsend. Sign Phillips and go with this in midfield and up top


   Gnabry.                                      fletcher.                 Dembele.                       Townsend


                                                                    Phillips

                                                                   Rondon

That would be joyous....never going to happen!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 18, 2015, 12:19:30 AM
That would be joyous....never going to happen!

Joyous and relegated. No bite.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 18, 2015, 06:03:06 AM
Joyous and relegated. No bite.

Jacko, I have to say, you talk more sense than anyone on this forum. The most measured and accurate comments
across all topics. Except Mr Brunt of course !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 18, 2015, 06:26:54 AM
How bout this for a scenario. Swap saido for dembele and Townsend. Sign Phillips and go with this in midfield and up top


   Gnabry.                                      fletcher.                 Dembele.                       Townsend


                                                                    Phillips

                                                                   Rondon

Townsend strongly linked to joining up with dim Tim down the road
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MBWBA on August 18, 2015, 06:40:14 AM
United looking for sell on value and won't get that with Pedro. But Bera would be a sensible buy for them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on August 18, 2015, 07:43:48 AM
Joyous and relegated. No bite.

Good point, it's a bit nice. Maybe swap Fletch for Yacob and it's getting there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 18, 2015, 10:17:57 AM
It feels like we're being trolled by the B'ham mail again.  I'd file this one in the same bin as the 'Why Albion Must Buy Joey Barton' article last week:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/west-brom-comment-baggies-must-9876461 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/west-brom-comment-baggies-must-9876461)
Quote
West Brom comment: Why the Baggies MUST sell Saido Berahino

West Brom simply have to sell Saido Berahino .

The club’s marquee player should depart as soon as possible with a pat on the back from the club and a head full of dreams.

And let’s not forget the small matter of £25m, because when it all comes down to it, sadly that is what football is all about.

The Baggies have invested a considerable amount of time and money into Berahino since he joined them as a youngster.

The club have taught him his trade and watched him flourish into an England under-21 international coveted by some of the country’s best clubs.

Tony Pulis has spoken of his desire to keep the striker who still has plenty of time left on his current deal.

Whilst they don’t actually need to sell him, realistically they have to.

The nearer he does get to his contract ending, the further the risk of him leaving for nothing, or a lot less than he is worth.

This is the best time to sell Saido and deep down everyone at the club knows it.

It may leave a bitter taste in the mouth should he depart, but I think on reflection fans will realise that it was a solid and inevitable piece of business.

The reality of football now is that players don’t stay at the clubs they love. There are exceptions, but they are always a rarity.

A club of West Brom’s size and capabilities are some way off being able to offer Berahino the European football he will very soon believe he should be playing.

He wants a chance to mix it with the best and prove his worth, ultimately, he won’t do that at The Hawthorns.

What the fans don't need is the same speculation year in year out, arguably with smaller transfer fees associated with them.

He owes a huge debt of gratitude to the club, I am sure he know that and will always hold a place in his heart for the fans and staff.

The youngster has done a lot of commendable charity work off the pitch that which doesn’t always get the attention it deserves.

The headlines have always been dominated by the more controversial elements of his behaviour

Tony Pulis has stated that he has been as good as gold since he arrived as manager and one hopes for his sake that the past is well and truly behind him.

That is where Albion will be soon too, behind him. All good things must come to an end, and from a business point of view this will end very well for Albion.

It is the youth team progression that many clubs dream of, from youngster to first-team, from first-team to England international.

And then, the big money move.

Albion fans should not feel cheated, they should wish the youngster well and celebrate a tremendous return on their investment.

If Albion were a team higher up in the league, their young starlet would not be heading for the exit door, the reality is though that they aren’t, and he is.

Tony Pulis needs to be canny once again in the next couple of weeks to make sure adequate business is done to help Albion progress as a Premier League team.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 18, 2015, 10:22:54 AM
Looks like The Birmingham Mail are his agents
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 18, 2015, 11:02:36 AM
The Mail story also seems to misunderstand that there is a 3rd option regarding his contract. It's not just sell him now or lose out on millions. He could sign a new one with a release clause. That way it's win win for the club and Berahino. Personally i think that's what will happen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SirTonyM on August 18, 2015, 02:08:07 PM
If Saido leaves, not sure who will score :(
Think it's a big loss!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on August 18, 2015, 04:04:44 PM
WEST Bromwich Albion have today rejected an offer for Saido Berahino from Tottenham Hotspur.

Chairman Jeremy Peace commented: “We have no interest in selling Saido which is what I have told Daniel Levy.

“I know we are living in an age where no club can say ‘never’ about the possibility of selling a player.

“However, the prospect of selling Saido is simply not on our agenda.

“We are going forward with Saido very much in our plans and still striving to add players to improve the balance of our squad.”

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-saido-berahino-tottenham-hotspur-2629078.aspx#7cauWcMrt9VleYkF.99 (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-saido-berahino-tottenham-hotspur-2629078.aspx#7cauWcMrt9VleYkF.99)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dan7heman on August 18, 2015, 04:05:10 PM
Talksport just annouced we have rejected a bid from the Spuds and have no interest in selling? ...Get that price up JP!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionsteve on August 18, 2015, 04:05:50 PM
Bid from Spuds rejected on OS

www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-saido-berahino-tottenham-hotspur-2629078.aspx

Opening salvo in price war I suspect. Also lets other prospective bidders know they'll have to pay.

Quite clever to do it this way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 18, 2015, 04:06:05 PM
here we go, I would expect man city & man utd to jump in now :-(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 18, 2015, 04:13:09 PM
Not like we weren't expecting a bid. Will be interesting to see how it pans out and how Saido himself reacts to it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionsteve on August 18, 2015, 04:14:01 PM
Good. If he's going to leave let's maximise the return we get for him. 

If Sterling's £49M and Stones more than £30m then getting more of the big teams outbidding each other ensures we can afford the rebuilding that we so drastically need. (Albeit some of it done already).

Saido would most likely have been gone next year anyway so providing we use the money wisely I have no problem with him going now for a hefty sum.  Lambert and Rondon should be able to score enough between them to keep us up, but who's to say we won't buy someone else to score as well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on August 18, 2015, 04:18:11 PM
Let him go for minimum of £25m. Remember Saido's off field antics? It's only a matter of time before he does something else.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 18, 2015, 04:18:38 PM
We can't sell yet. Not until the 1st of Sept.  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pie on August 18, 2015, 04:24:25 PM
Personally I think we should keep him for another year, even if it means less money at the end of it. He is a level above anyone else we have and anyone else that would come to the club so may as well make the most of it whilst we can.

I'm glad Peace has come out and stated our ambition to keep him, at least this will put his price up much more than the papers are reporting.

£15m is an absolute joke in comparison to fees paid by other clubs for young English talent.

Andy Carroll at £35m (and that being a few seasons ago now) justifies this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 18, 2015, 04:26:25 PM
WEST Bromwich Albion have today rejected an offer for Saido Berahino from Tottenham Hotspur.

Chairman Jeremy Peace commented: “We have no interest in selling Saido which is what I have told Daniel Levy.

“I know we are living in an age where no club can say ‘never’ about the possibility of selling a player.

“However, the prospect of selling Saido is simply not on our agenda.

“We are going forward with Saido very much in our plans and still striving to add players to improve the balance of our squad.”

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-saido-berahino-tottenham-hotspur-2629078.aspx#7cauWcMrt9VleYkF.99 (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-saido-berahino-tottenham-hotspur-2629078.aspx#7cauWcMrt9VleYkF.99)
Albion are being rather hypocritical here, because we usually get narky if other clubs reveal prospective deals when we're trying to buy someone. We don't usually go public in these circumstances ourselves, so I can only assume that, rather than trying to discourage would-be bidders, Mr Peace is trying to start a bidding war for Berahino if, indeed, there are other clubs sufficiently interested to be considering a bid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 18, 2015, 04:29:16 PM
Afraid I am resigned to him going now, sadly !

JP has to maximise the fee (obvs)  and we have to trust in TP investing it wisely, the problem is where do we find a creative, hard working midfielder in the JonJo Shelvey / Charlie Austin mould??? Because thats what TP will be after IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 18, 2015, 04:29:29 PM
Albion are being rather hypocritical here, because we usually get narky if other clubs reveal prospective deals when we're trying to buy someone. We don't usually go public in these circumstances ourselves, so I can only assume that, rather than trying to discourage would-be bidders, Mr Peace is trying to start a bidding war for Berahino if, indeed, there are other clubs sufficiently interested to be considering a bid.

That was my first thought. No other need to make any kind of public statement in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: weareblueweare white on August 18, 2015, 04:32:00 PM
15M is an insult in today's market, Spurs need to double it at least
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 18, 2015, 04:41:29 PM
15M is an insult in today's market, Spurs need to double it at least

JP getting a taste of him own medicine I see.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 18, 2015, 04:42:09 PM
I think he's gone I don't blame him either unfortunately and if it was another club apart from mine I would encourage the lad to put pressure on the chairman.

He's a waste on the wing if that's what our Welsh wizard wants to do see if we can get 25 million and move on.

Counterproductive for the club if we are not going to utilize him correctly on the pitch or cash in personally.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 18, 2015, 04:43:11 PM
Albion are being rather hypocritical here, because we usually get narky if other clubs reveal prospective deals when we're trying to buy someone. We don't usually go public in these circumstances ourselves, so I can only assume that, rather than trying to discourage would-be bidders, Mr Peace is trying to start a bidding war for Berahino if, indeed, there are other clubs sufficiently interested to be considering a bid.

Not in the least bit I think it is fair game. If Spurs wanted to do this quietly they shouldn't have been briefing the press for the last month. If we are to sell him then we need to get top dollar and £15m isn't remotely close to that and to get the sort of fee that could justify his sale we probably need one of the Manchester clubs to get involved.

I have long held the opinion that a lot of the money being spent this summer is going to be offset by Saido's sale. The truth is we are not shifting the surplus players and if we are going to head north of £50m spend then Saido going becomes inevitable. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 18, 2015, 04:47:34 PM


I will be very disappointed if Saido is sold 15+ goal a season strikers are not cheap or easy to find. He is by far our most exiting player on the pitch.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on August 18, 2015, 04:48:29 PM
after the watford game my mind was changed good luck to him if he goes at least i hope he gets used the right way and spurs would be a decent team for him to join..think the most we can possably get is 25m at a push
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 18, 2015, 04:49:33 PM
15M is an insult in today's market, Spurs need to double it at least

Is that definitely the amount of the bid rejected? Its all about negotiation and this is the first step, you don't do what most of our fans expect us to when trying to sign a player and go straight in with the asking price.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on August 18, 2015, 04:52:25 PM
Man Utd could do with a striker. Rooney's lost half a yard and plays deeper nowadays. I'd rather he went there, think it'd be great for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on August 18, 2015, 05:05:11 PM
He needs to move desperately for his career, he will only stand still playing for us - i'd fancy him to ultimately have a better career than Kane if he does get a move to Spurs.

Hopefully we can get at least £25m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on August 18, 2015, 05:07:37 PM
We just need to make sure we get a good fee for him. Berahino clapping the crowd after the game, and his hard working performances at the start of this season, seems to be sending a message that he would like to be sold.

With fee's how they are though, we should not budge for less than 20 million and personally I feel, with add ons, we should be looking at 25 million.

20 goals last season, 9 goals the season before, and only just turned 22. He is homegrown and can play as a loan stirker or out wide and still has 2 years left on his contract.

If Blackburn want 12-13 million for Jordan Rhodes, Fulham can get 11 million for Patrick Roberts, QPR want 15 million for Austin (with 1 year left on his contract) and Everton want 35-40 million for John Stones, I dont think we are talking daft asking for 20 plus million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbatillidie on August 18, 2015, 05:08:22 PM
If Andre Gray is going for £9 million and Everton can turn down £30 million for Stones there's no way in hell we should settle for anything less than 30.

All of the spending we have done so far to ensure we stay in the league will have been pointless if we sell our top goalscorer. We don't know how Rondon is going to do and will be lucky to get 5 goals out of Anichebe and Ideye combined.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on August 18, 2015, 05:26:59 PM
The Guardian are reporting that the bid that has been turned down may actually have been 18 million. Id imagine that would have been instalments based but it gives me more hope we could get 25 million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on August 18, 2015, 05:30:58 PM
I can see Spurs coming back and offering a player or two as a makeweight.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on August 18, 2015, 05:32:41 PM
£30 million or townsend + 23 mill or no deal for me
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on August 18, 2015, 05:34:36 PM
If you put your house on the market for 250 grand and someone offered 150 (or even 180) you wouldn't even bother talking to them.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 18, 2015, 05:36:40 PM
Personally I would only accept Andros Townsend as part of a deal. Not interested in Lenno or Dembele, or any other member of that team that wish to unload to be honest. 23 + Andros has to be bare minimum, but I still think that we are selling ourselves short.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 18, 2015, 05:39:18 PM
Bid from Spuds rejected on OS

www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-saido-berahino-tottenham-hotspur-2629078.aspx

Opening salvo in price war I suspect. Also lets other prospective bidders know they'll have to pay.

Quite clever to do it this way.

Just waiting for Man United and Newcastle to enter the bidding war to get the price up........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 18, 2015, 05:42:32 PM
It would leave us rondon, Lambert, anichebe, Brown as strikers with gnabry, mcclean, macca, Gardner, mozza as wingers, Far from a great squad ain't it but under pulis on a results based business I'm sure we could get to 15th safely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 18, 2015, 05:47:00 PM
It would leave us rondon, Lambert, anichebe, Brown as strikers with gnabry, mcclean, macca, Gardner, mozza as wingers, Far from a great squad ain't it but under pulis on a results based business I'm sure we could get to 15th safely.

You're assuming that we wouldn't go out and buy with the proceeds.  And Anichebe and/or Brown will be off, either on loan or sold
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggy74 on August 18, 2015, 05:48:14 PM
If you put your house on the market for 250 grand and someone offered 150 (or even 180) you wouldn't even bother talking to them.


How about if you was really happy with your house and wasn't looking at moving , but someone knocked your door an wanted to buy it for roughly half the market value ? 👀
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 18, 2015, 05:50:32 PM
Peace showing who is boss here and that we don't need to sell. Also making it clear that we are investing in team and will only sell if it's a very bigger offer. Probably inebriated off with all the speculation but he is a very cleaver man
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 18, 2015, 05:55:22 PM
If you put your house on the market for 250 grand and someone offered 150 (or even 180) you wouldn't even bother talking to them.
We've often been accused of making derisory offers for players during Peace's tenure, so we can't complain when it happens in reverse.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 18, 2015, 05:55:37 PM
15 million is a laughable bid really considering the English market and how much certain players how gone for/valued at.

Me personally I'd want at least double that or very close to that with add ons galore. It'll be interesting to see how Berahino reacts to this news.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on August 18, 2015, 06:00:30 PM
ESPN reporting he wants the move.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 18, 2015, 06:05:46 PM
Are spurs going to pay 20 million plus ? I have my doubts.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggy74 on August 18, 2015, 06:11:56 PM
We've often been accused of making derisory offers for players during Peace's tenure, so we can't complain when it happens in reverse.

Not complaining they can bid want they want , but he IS our player and we are entitled to demand more than market worth because of this , personally I would be surprised to see him go for less than £30 million
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 18, 2015, 06:19:53 PM
ESPN reporting he wants the move.

Do ESPN ever get anything right?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 18, 2015, 06:21:35 PM
ESPN reporting he wants the move.

Of course he wants the move.  Why wouldn't he? But he's got 2 years left on a contract he signed only last year so he's not calling the shots.   

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 18, 2015, 06:28:14 PM
Do ESPN ever get anything right?
They're also reporting that: "Berahino has previously admitted his desire to play at the highest level possible". You'd hope that he'd be looking above and beyond Spurs then on that basis!  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Wigmore on August 18, 2015, 06:29:50 PM
Looks like JP has started playing hardball, with an update issued in his name. Has Levy met his match?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on August 18, 2015, 06:35:49 PM
Has the 2 little meerkats say , weel be back . 25 million might be a bit more pursuavive for Jeremy . Hope it's done soon because I think we still need goals .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 18, 2015, 06:37:27 PM
I don't think the bid is derisory it is an opening bid if they had come in with £20m we would have rejected it equally our bids for players always start on the low side nobody ever offers the asking price unless it is written into the players contract and even then there is no harm in trying to get a player for less. Nobody thinks we would accept it not even Spurs but they have got to test the water. If they are given any encouragement at that price it gets done quite quickly but otherwise they move on to another target or chip away until they get a bite.

Its' nothing personal its' just business and when we are talking about the unique talent that is a professional footballer pricing is not hard and fast it is a strange market where value and worth is subjective pricing is bound to be poles apart and settled by hard boiled negotiation.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on August 18, 2015, 06:41:58 PM
https://vine.co/v/emigXwQXxKl

Tony's thoughts on 15 million
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGYINTHESOUTH on August 18, 2015, 07:39:51 PM
If the player wants to go and the albion get there worth of him you let him go  and wish him good luck. If not you get a player who does not want to play for the club and start handing in transfer requests and all the tantrums that go with it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: graka on August 18, 2015, 08:36:20 PM
Joyous and relegated. No bite.
if you actually retain and pass the ball you don't need to bite.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 18, 2015, 08:39:23 PM
To put Spurs offer into perspective Bristol City have offered 9million for someone called Gray from Brentford  :o.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 18, 2015, 09:23:02 PM
I think 25m and we start talking so until then it's garbage....

The big worry is HOW DO YOU REPLACE 20 GOALS A SEASON ????
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 18, 2015, 09:30:54 PM
We have no intention of selling listen to Mr Peace. He is the daddy  :D :
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on August 18, 2015, 10:04:49 PM
Saido could have been the top goal scoring under 21 England striker in history if not for injury this summer.
with English players bringing top money & clubs willing to sign them for their future potential £25 mil to me seems cheap as chips He,s worth at least has much has Sterling
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 18, 2015, 10:09:28 PM
The most annoying thing with this is that Berahino has been available all summer, for the right price.

Completley ridiculous to leave it until this late in the window. Will still be going on on deadline day with Jim White wetting himself no doubt.....

If he does go it will take a large chunk of any fee to replace him. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 18, 2015, 11:32:36 PM
if you actually retain and pass the ball you don't need to bite.

Tell that to Mowbray. Who I loved by the way, still my favourite Albion manager, but we could have 70% possession in them days. I stand by it, that front 6 posted earlier would get relegated from the Premier League 9 seasons in every 10: a group of individuals not a team. Back to Berahino I believe Peace coming out in the press means you're looking north of John Stones money before a deal is done.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 18, 2015, 11:44:24 PM
If the player wants to go and the albion get there worth of him you let him go  and wish him good luck. If not you get a player who does not want to play for the club and start handing in transfer requests and all the tantrums that go with it.

Peace will be delighted if he hands in a transfer request, forgoes any pay-off he's due. Fan's turn against him rather than the club. Win win.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 18, 2015, 11:45:10 PM
£15million? So he is the same level as Ross McCormack then  ;D

I think we all realise he will be gone, and if it is to spurs then Kane and Saido will be good for the England national team, so fair play to him if he does go, he is good enough to play for spurs.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 18, 2015, 11:46:56 PM
Tell that to Mowbray. Who I loved by the way, still my favourite Albion manager, but we could have 70% possession in them days. I stand by it, that front 6 posted earlier would get relegated from the Premier League 9 seasons in every 10: a group of individuals not a team. Back to Berahino I believe Peace coming out in the press means you're looking north of John Stones money before a deal is done.

North of John Stones money? So you reckon about the same price as benteke then?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 18, 2015, 11:50:47 PM
North of John Stones money? So you reckon about the same price as benteke then?

Yes, what you lose in 3 years of Premier League record as opposed to 1 and a half you get back in his Passport and age. £32-35 million. I keep coming back to it in my mind: He's GOT to be worth more than Luke Shaw.  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 18, 2015, 11:53:38 PM
For what it's worth, odds on club after September transfer window is:
Spurs 4/9
Albion 13/8
Man Utd 20/1
Man city 20/1
Newcastle 20/1
Arsenal either 16/1 or 33/1 depending on betting firm
Villa 33/1
Everton 33/1
Liverpool 25/1 or 33/1
Southampton 33/1
AC Milan 40/1
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 18, 2015, 11:55:51 PM
For what it's worth, odds on club after September transfer window is:
Spurs 4/9
Albion 13/8
Man Utd 20/1
Man city 20/1
Newcastle 20/1
Arsenal either 16/1 or 33/1 depending on betting firm
Villa 33/1
Everton 33/1
Liverpool 25/1 or 33/1
Southampton 33/1
AC Milan 40/1


You can rule out these teams.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 19, 2015, 12:01:56 AM
Couldn't you see him at arsenal considering they need a striker and not much chance of benzema?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 19, 2015, 12:15:24 AM
Yes, what you lose in 3 years of Premier League record as opposed to 1 and a half you get back in his Passport and age. £32-35 million. I keep coming back to it in my mind: He's GOT to be worth more than Luke Shaw.  ;D

I agree with your valuation, but the added factor to consider is the attitude of a player who has set his heart on a move.  If we hold out for £30m and there is no taker now, then I think we will have to offer him a new contract on £60k/week with a £30m buyout clause in order to keep him in the right frame of mind to perform for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on August 19, 2015, 12:37:20 AM
Haven't heard a peep from saido about transfer speculation maybe he thinks the spuds are not a step up from little insignificant west brom. I think he might stay and sign new deal with buy out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 19, 2015, 12:57:31 AM
I agree with your valuation, but the added factor to consider is the attitude of a player who has set his heart on a move.  If we hold out for £30m and there is no taker now, then I think we will have to offer him a new contract on £60k/week with a £30m buyout clause in order to keep him in the right frame of mind to perform for us.

sorry but how do we know this other than from some Spurs friendly media blogs?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 19, 2015, 06:12:19 AM
sorry but how do we know this other than from some Spurs friendly media blogs?

I'm not saying that he has, just that it is a factor to consider if he has.

Sorry - should have made that clearer.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on August 19, 2015, 06:21:25 AM
Wonder how Saido is going to handle the situation now that a bid has definitely come in. Will he be mature, keep his mouth shut and get on with it or will the dummy get thrown out of the pram.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 19, 2015, 07:26:26 AM
Think he always knew that things would be happening and bids would be coming in. TP will have had a word in his ear before now and imagine he will just get on with it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 19, 2015, 07:39:37 AM
I think Saido has learnt some hard lessons in the last 12 months, added to which are the positive influences of Pulis and Fletcher.

I think he has grown up and will keep his head down until the outcome is arrived at.

Well, I hope so anyway  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 19, 2015, 07:39:53 AM
Wonder how Saido is going to handle the situation now that a bid has definitely come in. Will he be mature, keep his mouth shut and get on with it or will the dummy get thrown out of the pram.

Probably pop down to BOC and get himself a bumper cylinder of Nitrous Oxide
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 19, 2015, 07:50:36 AM
Probably pop down to BOC and get himself a bumper cylinder of Nitrous Oxide


My lot wont be encouraging him unless he has a medical certificate
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 19, 2015, 08:01:04 AM
I am resigned to losing him but I can see why clubs are not exactly queuing up for him at the moment. He had a good season for us last year when he scored 14 league goals and 6 more in the cup. He only became a regular in the first team half way through the previous season, and he clearly has potential, but I cannot help but think that if we encourage him to stay for one more season and play to his strengths then he will be worth more like £40m than the £25m we seem to be holding out for. The lad is class, there is no doubt about that, and his salary should reflect that. One more good season out of him and I would want to let him go to watch 'one of our own' become a world class player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 19, 2015, 08:16:33 AM
In a better team who pass the ball to him on a regular basis he will excel, hes better than tottingham
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 19, 2015, 08:19:28 AM
Agreed. I can see him doing well at Arsenal or Man ure to be honest, but not the spuds........... he will regret that move.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 19, 2015, 08:36:02 AM
I think another season with us would probably develop him more as a player, at that time he would definitely be attractive to one of the very top clubs. As has been said before, we would need to offer him a competitive contract with a buy-out clause to negate his personal risks.
On the other hand, if he failed to live up to his potential, his value would drop & WBAFC would lose out.

IMO it would cost WBAFC around £1 to 1.5 million a year to keep him (with a new contract worth around £2.5 million a year), with the risk that we might not recover the cost. Offset that against our expected performance throughout the season with and without him.

Personally, I think Saido has the potential to perform at a higher level than THFC, & I think he would be wise to stay with us for another season, but now a bid has been made for him, the ultimate decision maybe out of his hands
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 19, 2015, 08:42:50 AM
If he wants to get into the squad for the Euros then he needs regular games. He will get regular games with us....not so sure he would be as regular at Spurs or anyone else. Also his overall game has vastly improved under Pulis and I would expect it to continue like that.

Still think he'll be here on Sept 2nd.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 19, 2015, 08:43:02 AM
I think Spurs would be the best move for the kid, he would get game time under a progressive coach and form a partnership with Harry Kane which in years to come might get transferred straight to the national team. However they are not a Champions League club they pay more than us but not as much as Man City so are they his dream move? I'm not sure.

Turning down a £15m offer is not pricing him out of a move and hopefully it strikes the player as a bit of a half hearted attempt to get him. I would hope at this point his head is not turned by the prospect and therefore we should be able to maintain our tough stance with Spurs 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ronnie_allen on August 19, 2015, 08:57:12 AM
If he wants to get into the squad for the Euros then he needs regular games.

True to an extent, but there does seem to be a bit of a tendency for players who have played well at a mid-level Premier League club not getting a sniff of an England cap until they are actually signed by one of the top six, even though they may be getting a lot less first team football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 19, 2015, 09:29:44 AM
True to an extent, but there does seem to be a bit of a tendency for players who have played well at a mid-level Premier League club not getting a sniff of an England cap until they are actually signed by one of the top six, even though they may be getting a lot less first team football.

I broadly agree with that, although Hodgson has had him in the squad before, when it seemed it was attitude rather than ability that kept him out of the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 19, 2015, 09:31:37 AM
I think we will see new headline in next day or so. ' Albion offer Saido bumper new contract offer'.   if he stalls on that, then hes a Gonner I feel.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on August 19, 2015, 09:39:22 AM
If he & Kane would make a good pairing perhaps we should have made a £15 mill bid for him, i wonder what the spurs fans would think  :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: apple on August 19, 2015, 09:40:36 AM
Hed definitely get a chance if he stays and plays well, although l think hes off. Lets face it theres not many English centre forwards in the PL who havent got an England cap. If we dont need to sell, they should name a price and tell them to put up or shut up. Although they didnt make a bid till yesterday this has dragged on for the last 6 weeks and its time to draw a line under it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 19, 2015, 09:43:51 AM
all this is distruptive we are not firing on all cylinders. i can understand TPs frustration. this window needs to be closed by the start of play in the month of august
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 19, 2015, 09:50:07 AM
If he & Kane would make a good pairing perhaps we should have made a £15 mill bid for him, i wonder what the spurs fans would think  :-\

That is a very good idea.


Counter offer for Kane offering the same, lets see how they react to that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 19, 2015, 09:57:07 AM
I think Man United could well go for Kane.  They are desperate for more fire power up front and looks like they will lose out to Chelsea re Pedro.

If Chelsea offer Spurs less for Kane than Spurs think Kane is worth then they will be in exactly boat as we are with them re Berahino.  See how they like it!

This window has a lot of twists and turns ahead.  If Saido goes to Tottenham I think he will end up partnering Austin, not Kane!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 19, 2015, 10:42:05 AM
i am reading now that he wants to leave on some newsnow titles , has he officialy come out and said this.
Have these people spreading rumours got it in for WBA
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 19, 2015, 10:44:14 AM
Tell that to Mowbray. Who I loved by the way, still my favourite Albion manager, but we could have 70% possession in them days. I stand by it, that front 6 posted earlier would get relegated from the Premier League 9 seasons in every 10: a group of individuals not a team. Back to Berahino I believe Peace coming out in the press means you're looking north of John Stones money before a deal is done.
Imagine what 70% possession could do with a Lukaku,  Odemwhingy,  Berahino leading your line rather than Bednar, Miller, Beattie or Moore.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 19, 2015, 10:49:46 AM
Imagine what 70% possession could do with a Lukaku,  Odemwhingy,  Berahino leading your line rather than Bednar, Miller, Beattie or Moore.
Agreed but, once you get to that kind of percentage, many start calling your playing style "tippy-tappy"!  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 19, 2015, 10:55:17 AM
i am reading now that he wants to leave on some newsnow titles , has he officialy come out and said this.
Have these people spreading rumours got it in for WBA

Just poor online publications making things up, to my knowledge Saido has said absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 19, 2015, 10:56:53 AM
This from the Evening Standard

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-remain-confident-of-signing-saido-berahino-as-club-prepares-second-bid-for-west-brom-star-a2916576.html



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 19, 2015, 11:00:24 AM
This from the Evening Standard

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-remain-confident-of-signing-saido-berahino-as-club-prepares-second-bid-for-west-brom-star-a2916576.html


just add another 8 million evening standard
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on August 19, 2015, 11:04:59 AM
I think £25million is a fair price and would sell.

EDIT: I meant 25.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on August 19, 2015, 11:09:22 AM
i am reading now that he wants to leave on some newsnow titles , has he officialy come out and said this.
Have these people spreading rumours got it in for WBA
His reaction at the end of the Watford game suggests he knows it's a distinct possibility.
Let's face it, while Tottenham offer little in terms of Europe or in fact winning anything, they are a bigger club and are not threatened with relegation, so he is bound to want to go.
Wish he was going to a top 4 club though, would love to see him really kick on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on August 19, 2015, 11:25:11 AM
To be fair if he does go i could understand the Spurs move.

He would go there, play most weeks rather than be a squad player at a City or United and if he has a good couple of seasons he will then go to a City, Arsenal or United as a first team player.

Spurs are a step up from us but still not a elite club but i am sure his wage packet will be a lot more healthy!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on August 19, 2015, 11:50:30 AM
The press are just guessing that Saido wants the move, it's a safe guess, I think I probably would if I were him too to be honest. I have no problem with him wanting to move as long as he doesn't push the subject. We are in the driving seat, if we don't get offered a good deal by anybody he stays here, if we get offered a good deal (£25,000,000 minimum in my opinion) then he will undoubtedly leave, and I wouldn't begrudge him that at all, he is already our best player by some distance and he will have a very bright future if he applies himself. Hope he stays, but I am very doubtful that he will.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 19, 2015, 11:54:45 AM
If we sell for anything less than 30 million i'll be very disappointed. I'm resigned to see him leaving but it has to be for the right price and for the best of the club. Would we be able to reinvest that money in time though?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 19, 2015, 11:57:10 AM
Its definitely a safe guess he would want the move. Spurs are a step up there is no doubt, with that said I actually think he'll be selling himself short and he could do better but its unfortunate theirs is the only offer on the table as things stand.

I still believe we should be looking at much more than £25m though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on August 19, 2015, 12:10:13 PM
He will go but i believe we will get 25m for him.

A good deal all round. He will go with our best wishes, tottenham is a step up for him and a chance for European football not a relegation fight.

I just hope we replace him quickly, and with someone like austin, but i fear bigger fish will be in for him than us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: amathews3416 on August 19, 2015, 12:29:55 PM
Apparently Pochettino wants to play him as a Wide Forward on the left and sees him in the same mold as he used Jay Rodriguez at S'Hampton.  I imagine he would get a good amount of game time at that position and than would supplement Kane up top in Cup games.  I think he will get just as many games there as he would with us, if I'm being honest.  Pulis has already came out and said that he learned his lesson after the Man City game and will only play one Striker against the big clubs.  That striker will most likely be Lambert or Rondon, someone that can hold the ball up and allow others into play. 

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 19, 2015, 12:31:23 PM
I know the £25million figure is being banded about but I actually think £30million should be the figure, young English striker who scored 20 goals last season, Spurs wouldn't let Kane go for anything less than £50million so why should we let Saido go for half that amount?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pie on August 19, 2015, 12:36:57 PM
I think we need to be getting £30 + for him if he does go.

We are not a club that is in debt, and he has 2 years left on his contract.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 19, 2015, 12:50:41 PM
I think we need to be getting £30 + for him if he does go.

We are not a club that is in debt, and he has 2 years left on his contract.

Yes, 30 quid isn't much  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 19, 2015, 01:08:04 PM
I think we need to be getting £30 + for him if he does go.

We are not a club that is in debt, and he has 2 years left on his contract.

especially if chelsea end up paying £40m for Stones
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pie on August 19, 2015, 01:21:27 PM
Yes, 30 quid isn't much  ;D

whoops  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 19, 2015, 01:27:17 PM
It was a seriously bad error to let Dorrans & Mulumbu go too. Gardner and Morrison are utter powder puff in comparison. I'm hanging all my hopes on Rondon and Gnabry now....but will he pick both? Saido's bound to go now, lets just pocket the cash and get it over with.

i agree. would hope for £25m + add ons
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on August 19, 2015, 01:46:49 PM
With regards to his contract is it two years with a one year option?
If so I'd hold on to him for the season unless 30 mill plus is agreed
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on August 19, 2015, 01:56:00 PM
It was a seriously bad error to let Dorrans & Mulumbu go too. Gardner and Morrison are utter powder puff in comparison. I'm hanging all my hopes on Rondon and Gnabry now....but will he pick both? Saido's bound to go now, lets just pocket the cash and get it over with.
A little off-topic and I agree that Mulumbu is far better than Gardner. However, Dorrans was/is nowhere near Morrison in terms of ability. For the past few seasons, Morrison has been a consistent performer, with various managers choosing him over Dorrans and for good reason. That's very unfair trying to lump Morrison in with Gardner...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 19, 2015, 03:52:27 PM
If I understand it correctly, Saido's current contract is worth around £20k per week to him. It would be a massive statement of confidence in Saido to offer him a new contract which would cost the club around £1 million per year for every £20k per week increase, & additionally lose between £15million & £20million in transfer fees which they would recover if he were to be sold.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on August 19, 2015, 04:20:52 PM
I think it is now a case of not if but when,and we should be looking to get the highest price and looking for a replacement.
Although he has great potential he also has a temperament that could see him become the next Lee Hughes or Jason Koumas.
No good keeping an unhappy player, his form will be affected and we won't get half the money for him in the future.

Football is a team game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 19, 2015, 04:32:17 PM
With regards to his contract is it two years with a one year option?
If so I'd hold on to him for the season unless 30 mill plus is agreed

No there isn't an option he's just got two years left. Not that I think that matters, we should be looking for £30m+ in my view.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on August 19, 2015, 04:36:42 PM
If we were to sell Saido, why on earth would we sell for anything less than the £40m Spurs want for Harry Kane? The same Harry Kane who only has one good year behind him in the Premier League - Saido has had two good years and still looks like he's improving with every game.

If it was up to me I wouldn't sell him at any price, with the financial rewards coming to Premier League clubs next summer it really isn't worth it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 19, 2015, 04:39:52 PM
If we were to sell Saido, why on earth would we sell for anything less than the £40m Spurs want for Harry Kane? The same Harry Kane who only has one good year behind him in the Premier League - Saido has had two good years and still looks like he's improving with every game.

If it was up to me I wouldn't sell him at any price, with the financial rewards coming to Premier League clubs next summer it really isn't worth it.

Sadly though Spurs are obviously a step up from us yet alone the attraction of moving to London. As I understand it Spurs haven't placed a second bid in for Saido yet but every player has their price just look at the likes of Bale and Ronaldo to name a couple. Every club in the world has players they would rather keep to build around but sadly it doesn't always work like that. Even the likes of Manchester United/Liverpool with their club size and history even they have to sell their star players if the right offer for them come in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 19, 2015, 04:40:20 PM
If it was up to me I wouldn't sell him at any price, with the financial rewards coming to Premier League clubs next summer it really isn't worth it.

I agree 100% providing he doesn't spit his dummy out over it, once they make it clear they want out it isn't worth keeping them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 19, 2015, 05:26:22 PM
Do we know if there are enough funds in the kitty to address the deficiencies in the squad without the sale of Berahino? Are we pinning our hopes on shifting Ideye, Sess, Poco, Vic and Gamboa?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 19, 2015, 06:02:43 PM
Apparently Spurs have made a second bid.
http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnation.com/2015/8/19/9177931/tottenham-hotspur-transfer-news-rumors-saido-berahino-second-bid
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 19, 2015, 06:02:57 PM
Steve Madeley @smadeley_star
Albion have heard nothing more so far from Spurs on Berahino but they know a second bid is coming. They just don't know when. #wba
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 19, 2015, 06:24:55 PM
Surely spurs won't want him playing for us in the carling cup.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbastrollers on August 19, 2015, 06:27:05 PM
Those who think we should hold out for £30 - £40 mill, I am afraid are not thinking this

situation through. Only if another big club ie Man.U or Arsenal enter a bidding war will

we hope to get £30 mil, otherwise we are left with an unhappy player come the end  of

the transfer deadline with 12 months on his contract come the next transfer period and

to make matters  worse we will have 3 quality strikers competing for 2 possibly 1 place.

No the best Peace can do is £23m or at a stretch £25m ASAP to give us time to balance

our squad with a quality CM, a goalie and possibly a defender with a bit of pace!!.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 19, 2015, 06:39:46 PM
Do we know if there are enough funds in the kitty to address the deficiencies in the squad without the sale of Berahino? Are we pinning our hopes on shifting Ideye, Sess, Poco, Vic and Gamboa?

I certainly think we are counting on something coming in for the players you mention although I think selling Ideye is a false economy. To get a player that is better for the 4th striker spot you will probably have spend more than you might get for Ideye. At the moment there is no pressing need to sell Saido but with potentially another £20m of deals in the pipeline you do have to wonder.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on August 19, 2015, 06:43:56 PM
Do spurs really think he's only half the player Benteke is?

We need to get £25 million at the very least
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DutchBaggies on August 19, 2015, 06:52:18 PM
25 million minimum plus nominal sell on fee depending on what we receive.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 19, 2015, 06:58:02 PM
Do spurs really think he's only half the player Benteke is?

We need to get £25 million at the very least

Now we know how other clubs feel when we put silly bids in for their players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 19, 2015, 06:59:09 PM
Those who think we should hold out for £30 - £40 mill, I am afraid are not thinking this

situation through. Only if another big club ie Man.U or Arsenal enter a bidding war will

we hope to get £30 mil, otherwise we are left with an unhappy player come the end  of

the transfer deadline with 12 months on his contract come the next transfer period and

to make matters  worse we will have 3 quality strikers competing for 2 possibly 1 place.

No the best Peace can do is £23m or at a stretch £25m ASAP to give us time to balance

our squad with a quality CM, a goalie and possibly a defender with a bit of pace!!.

Surely £23m is seriously UNDERVALUED in the current marketplace ? Young, English, scores at the top level ?
How much do you think it will take to replace his goals for starters ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 19, 2015, 06:59:53 PM
If we were to sell Saido, why on earth would we sell for anything less than the £40m Spurs want for Harry Kane? The same Harry Kane who only has one good year behind him in the Premier League - Saido has had two good years and still looks like he's improving with every game.

If it was up to me I wouldn't sell him at any price, with the financial rewards coming to Premier League clubs next summer it really isn't worth it.

Contract scenarios were completely different with regards to Kane.

Is Saido better than Pedro? If he goes this window it'll be for more than the Spaniard. It's all subjective. £25m is a good deal in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 19, 2015, 07:18:23 PM
Those who think we should hold out for £30 - £40 mill, I am afraid are not thinking this

situation through. Only if another big club ie Man.U or Arsenal enter a bidding war will

we hope to get £30 mil, otherwise we are left with an unhappy player come the end  of

the transfer deadline with 12 months on his contract come the next transfer period and

to make matters  worse we will have 3 quality strikers competing for 2 possibly 1 place.

No the best Peace can do is £23m or at a stretch £25m ASAP to give us time to balance

our squad with a quality CM, a goalie and possibly a defender with a bit of pace!!.


It really depends on Saido's motivation for moving. If it's to improve himself, then I think another season with us would do him no harm, & he is likely to be a better player & therefore more valuable as a result.
On the other hand, if the motivation for the move is more money & the draw of the bright lights of London, then you're right we would have an unhappy player &, by attempting to keep him, missed the opportunity to turn a valuable asset into cash.

From a purely financial point of view, all of the risk is with the FC, if Saido stays, we forgo a transfer fee of between £15million & circa £25million and would have additional costs for his new contract.
Personally, I see him as a "work in progress"& another year would probably increase his value, but if he doesn't make the anticipated progress or sustains a bad injury, WBAFC loses big time.
As I said on a previous post, if he stays with the club, & it's at TP's request, JP will have provided massive support to his manager. The money involved is far bigger than the Rondon signing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on August 19, 2015, 07:24:30 PM

It really depends on Saido's motivation for moving. If it's to improve himself, then I think another season with us would do him no harm, & he is likely to be a better player & therefore more valuable as a result.
On the other hand, if the motivation for the move is more money & the draw of the bright lights of London, then you're right we would have an unhappy player &, by attempting to keep him, missed the opportunity to turn a valuable asset into cash.

From a purely financial point of view, all of the risk is with the FC, if Saido stays, we forgo a transfer fee of between £15million & circa £25million and would have additional costs for his new contract.
Personally, I see him as a "work in progress"& another year would probably increase his value, but if he doesn't make the anticipated progress or sustains a bad injury, WBAFC loses big time.
As I said on a previous post, if he stays with the club, & it's at TP's request, JP will have provided massive support to his manager. The money involved is far bigger than the Rondon signing.

In all honesty, with our style of play, I'm not sure that he will become a better player here. I would have thought that playing in a Spurs team would bring him on far more that playing for us in a defensive shape.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 19, 2015, 07:25:58 PM
Supply and demand.
They have 1 striker they want ours we name the price and they either pay or bugger off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on August 19, 2015, 07:35:48 PM
A little off-topic and I agree that Mulumbu is far better than Gardner. However, Dorrans was/is nowhere near Morrison in terms of ability. For the past few seasons, Morrison has been a consistent performer, with various managers choosing him over Dorrans and for good reason. That's very unfair trying to lump Morrison in with Gardner...
Morrison had a good last season but the one before that he was useless.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 19, 2015, 08:11:38 PM
It feels like we're being trolled by the B'ham mail again.  I'd file this one in the same bin as the 'Why Albion Must Buy Joey Barton' article last week:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/west-brom-comment-baggies-must-9876461 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/west-brom-comment-baggies-must-9876461)

Utter, utter garbage...............has it be written by a Spuds fan ?   >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 19, 2015, 08:49:36 PM
Do spurs really think he's only half the player Benteke is?

We need to get £25 million at the very least

Villa wouldn't have sold him for the price they did had it not been the release clause. The value of a player isn't that straight forward, with Saido we lose his goals and that could potentially cost us a place in the Premier League and the riches that come with it. That needs to be taken into account but at the same time would selling him allow us to rebuild in such a short space of time? Club in a tough spot, may come down to what Saido has to say because if he makes it clear he won't sign a new deal then any future windows bids for him will only be lower than what we can push for now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on August 19, 2015, 09:01:59 PM
I hope JP realizes that Spurs (Daniel Levy) are using tactic number  1 in the negotiators handbook in coming in with a ridiculously derisory £15 million offer for Berahino. That way, if Spurs add on a few million in their next offer, it will appear they are making a reasonable compromise.  Albion have said we don't need to sell him anyway as he is on a long-term contract. Only if a completely daft offer came in, which would be more than Spurs are willing to pay!.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 19, 2015, 09:32:47 PM
Saido knows if he stays he will get a new contract/payrise also he seems to be well under the wing of Pulis and becoming a far better all round player for it. Worst case scenario if he stays is if we got relegated then somebody would sign him anyway best case scenario he further enhances reputation and improves.

That and the fact he doesn't have an agent and spurs do to have the financial clought to force the deal. I doubt he will go and I also don't think he will rock the boat if he doesn't go as he knows eventually he will. And why rush to be the next Scott Sinclair or Victor Moses?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 19, 2015, 09:48:00 PM
I think it's a safe bet that Saido does currently have an agent working on his behalf. I expect it just means that should he move this window the firm he's binned off will still be entitled to a slice of the pie so to speak.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 19, 2015, 10:20:51 PM
I think it's a safe bet that Saido does currently have an agent working on his behalf. I expect it just means that should he move this window the firm he's binned off will still be entitled to a slice of the pie so to speak.

sadly I think that is true and I think this initially was driven (spitefully) by his soon to be ex agent.

all the initial media/blog reports (weeks ago) of Spurs interest, all were generated out of the same group of "tame" writers who perpetuated the Stirling media storm...

That is why we kept getting the "48 hours till he signs" rubbish... It is just sad that Spurs are now following up on something they didn't really start themselves (and explains the low-ball offer made).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbafeever on August 19, 2015, 10:47:57 PM
In one way it is a good thing he is leaving because we need to give other players a chance and we should get 25-30mil from him to spend on getting a better central midfield and defence . Thoughts? ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 19, 2015, 10:56:20 PM
This is a business.
You don't get bigger and better by getting rid of your best employee.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on August 20, 2015, 12:26:31 AM
In one way it is a good thing he is leaving because we need to give other players a chance and we should get 25-30mil from him to spend on getting a better central midfield and defence . Thoughts? ::)

Who do we need to give a chance? He is our best player so should play
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: amathews3416 on August 20, 2015, 01:10:48 AM
I hope JP realizes that Spurs (Daniel Levy) are using tactic number  1 in the negotiators handbook in coming in with a ridiculously derisory £15 million offer for Berahino. That way, if Spurs add on a few million in their next offer, it will appear they are making a reasonable compromise.  Albion have said we don't need to sell him anyway as he is on a long-term contract. Only if a completely daft offer came in, which would be more than Spurs are willing to pay!.

Not sure where you get he is on a long term contract.  He has two years remaining, which is not long in the footballing world and if we don't get him to sign a new one he will go for substantially less money next summer.  That Spurs offer also was 18 and not 15 million as originally quoted in the media.  Honestly, I see this ending in the 22-23 million price range and us selling.  Might drag on for a week or so as Peace is not going to want to look silly after his strongly worded statement and than turn around and sell a couple days later. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 20, 2015, 07:05:36 AM
In one way it is a good thing he is leaving because we need to give other players a chance and we should get 25-30mil from him to spend on getting a better central midfield and defence . Thoughts? ::)

who said he is leaving?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on August 20, 2015, 07:15:43 AM
Isn't what JP actually said summed up as "very player is available for the right money, pay it and he's yours"?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on August 20, 2015, 07:21:37 AM
sadly I think that is true and I think this initially was driven (spitefully) by his soon to be ex agent.

all the initial media/blog reports (weeks ago) of Spurs interest, all were generated out of the same group of "tame" writers who perpetuated the Stirling media storm...

That is why we kept getting the "48 hours till he signs" rubbish... It is just sad that Spurs are now following up on something they didn't really start themselves (and explains the low-ball offer made).

Seriously? You seem to be implying that Spurs have bid as a result of rumours in the press that they were going to.

So they are trying to buy Saido not because they want him but they have been pressured into it by the media.

Sounds a little unlikely.

Or are you suggesting that Spurs made a low bid because they don't really want to sign him but felt they needed to make a offer, again because of the media pressure.

Sounds equally unlikely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie_liam on August 20, 2015, 08:06:15 AM
@MaiIFootball: "All due respect to Spurs, but until a big club comes I'll stay here. I've more chance of trophies here." - Berahino. http://t.co/Ef2dvjKvdW
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 20, 2015, 08:18:36 AM
@MaiIFootball: "All due respect to Spurs, but until a big club comes I'll stay here. I've more chance of trophies here." - Berahino. http://t.co/Ef2dvjKvdW

ah ah dont believe that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on August 20, 2015, 08:19:32 AM
wishful thinking from some prankster!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jwilkes90 on August 20, 2015, 08:33:36 AM
@MaiIFootball: "All due respect to Spurs, but until a big club comes I'll stay here. I've more chance of trophies here." - Berahino. http://t.co/Ef2dvjKvdW

It's a joke account. Read the other tweets @MaiIFootball: "The last club I'd play for is Spurs. I asked the chairman myself to reject the bid." - Arsenal fan Saido Berahino. http://t.co/0p48lDGIDd
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 20, 2015, 08:38:40 AM
Quite amusing though, and possibly true....... [as in he might win more trophies here!]
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 20, 2015, 08:42:18 AM
It's a joke account. Read the other tweets @MaiIFootball: "The last club I'd play for is Spurs. I asked the chairman myself to reject the bid." - Arsenal fan Saido Berahino. http://t.co/0p48lDGIDd

Saido is a man utd fan. Told the kids that when he came to our school.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 20, 2015, 08:52:46 AM
Fact is that he would do well at Man U as well, and with LVG having several doors shut in his face I anticipate that they will become interested soon..... 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 20, 2015, 08:53:50 AM
all i can think of his mother wont forgive him :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 20, 2015, 08:58:03 AM
Fact is that he would do well at Man U as well, and with LVG having several doors shut in his face I anticipate that they will become interested soon.....

If Man U do become interested, I think the prospect of that may hasten Spurs pursuit and a bid more acceptable to JP.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 20, 2015, 09:10:47 AM
I think we need to be putting a deadline on this. If he is to be sold we need adequate time to spend the money. That is unless any sale will balance what we have already spent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 20, 2015, 09:16:54 AM
a move to Man U now they have lost out on Pedro would be more acceptable, tottingham think they own the place and own the player already
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 20, 2015, 09:35:47 AM
I wouldn't begrudge him a move to Man Utd at all as long as they came up with the money for him that we want.

Don't want him at Spurs, they will win nothing, and won't even qualify for the Champions League.

If he leaves us it has to be a team that can be challenging for honours otherwise its a sideways step as Spurs are as unlikely to win anything as we are.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 20, 2015, 10:24:49 AM
I wonder when we will hear "Saido has picked up a knock in training, and will not be available"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 20, 2015, 10:54:33 AM
One denial from JP and everyone on here is resigned to losing Berahino.  Who are the cynical ones again?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 20, 2015, 12:22:09 PM
One denial from JP and everyone on here is resigned to losing Berahino.  Who are the cynical ones again?

Your title under threat ????
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 20, 2015, 12:36:10 PM
a move to Man U now the have lost out on Pedro would be more acceptable, tottingham think they own the place

I wouldn't mind him going to Man U for £25m+, that would be acceptable as he'd obviously love that.

That aside, I'd keep him this summer, give him a wage boost and then sell him next summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on August 20, 2015, 12:53:46 PM
I wouldn't mind him going to Man U for £25m+, that would be acceptable as he'd obviously love that.

That aside, I'd keep him this summer, give him a wage boost and then sell him next summer.

But what if he has a howler of a season and gets 5 goals? Cash in while we can I say. We have seen the young English striker who is the next best thing time and time again and their career just nosedives.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 20, 2015, 01:00:12 PM
Southampton reportedly wanting £30M for Mane, we should be asking for no less for Saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on August 20, 2015, 01:05:03 PM
But what if he has a howler of a season and gets 5 goals? Cash in while we can I say. We have seen the young English striker who is the next best thing time and time again and their career just nosedives.

I think this is a relevant point but do they fail as they moved to a big club too soon? I may be wrong but I feel an early move has affected some of our younger players in England!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 20, 2015, 01:07:36 PM
But what if he has a howler of a season and gets 5 goals? Cash in while we can I say. We have seen the young English striker who is the next best thing time and time again and their career just nosedives.

I agree. He will need the service to score goals which I doubt he'll get here. He's scored very few since Pulis came in. Cashing in now would allow us to address other areas.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 20, 2015, 01:09:46 PM
Tottenham and Manchester United are both in the hunt for Dynamo Moscow striker Aleksandr Kokorin, according to the Times.

I wonder if this is a ploy by Spurs or are they looking for 2 x strikers?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 20, 2015, 01:10:54 PM
But what if he has a howler of a season and gets 5 goals? Cash in while we can I say. We have seen the young English striker who is the next best thing time and time again and their career just nosedives.

It is a gamble, but according to Howell before he left, we can claim a fee for Saido even when his contract runs out (like Burnley did with Ings). I've not double checked that.

Given that we may get £25m for him now, and we may get about £6m at  tribunal like Burnley did, then I'd take that £19m and see it as worth it for Saido to score his goals, at a low wage in the Prem.

He has talent and it's not a game based solely on one thing that can be sussed out. He's not world class, but he is bloody good and I'd keep him short of a great offer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 20, 2015, 01:49:42 PM
I think a large part of this will come down to how Saido reacts.

If he doesnt kick up a fuss, doesnt ask to talk to TP of JP, and doesnt mention the spurs offer, then I can see him staying here.

If he does ask to be allowed to speak to Spurs, then I can see us trying to get a good deal for ourselves.

One thing is for sure, this will go down to the wire.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 20, 2015, 02:56:49 PM
Tottenham and Manchester United are both in the hunt for Dynamo Moscow striker Aleksandr Kokorin, according to the Times.

I wonder if this is a ploy by Spurs or are they looking for 2 x strikers?

Hope so.
The thing is there's no other suitor in for Berahino except Spurs. Now, apart from the money why would he want to go there? They won't win the league, we have as much chance as they do of winning a cup, can't see them getting into Europe. This time next year I think they could be struggling to hold onto Kane.
If Berahino can be persuaded to sign a contract extension with us, add a release clause into that, score another 20 goals this season then the likes of the biog boys may well come calling. Carear wise I don't think a move to Spurs is necessarily a wise one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 20, 2015, 03:19:05 PM
Hope so.
The thing is there's no other suitor in for Berahino except Spurs. Now, apart from the money why would he want to go there? They won't win the league, we have as much chance as they do of winning a cup, can't see them getting into Europe. This time next year I think they could be struggling to hold onto Kane.
If Berahino can be persuaded to sign a contract extension with us, add a release clause into that, score another 20 goals this season then the likes of the biog boys may well come calling. Carear wise I don't think a move to Spurs is necessarily a wise one.

He won't score another 20 goals this season IMO. He'll either not get the service or be played out wide. Selling him now will be our best opportunity to get silly more for him I reckon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 20, 2015, 03:50:23 PM
I think we need to be putting a deadline on this. If he is to be sold we need adequate time to spend the money. That is unless any sale will balance what we have already spent.
We are good with deadlines.  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 20, 2015, 04:25:15 PM
We are good with deadlines.  :)

Our Tone loves deadline day
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scruffy Stan on August 20, 2015, 04:37:17 PM
The thing is there's no other suitor in for Berahino except Spurs. Now, apart from the money why would he want to go there? They won't win the league, we have as much chance as they do of winning a cup, can't see them getting into Europe. This time next year I think they could be struggling to hold onto Kane.
He may reckon he'll get better service, be able to enjoy himself a lot more on the pitch, will therefore look better for future moves. It may not all be about money and immediate trophies.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 20, 2015, 04:48:44 PM
He may reckon he'll get better service, be able to enjoy himself a lot more on the pitch, will therefore look better for future moves. It may not all be about money and immediate trophies.

Agreed. He'll also have more chance of an England spot playing for Spurs than if he stays with us. He'll score less and his value will decrease playing under Pulis IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 20, 2015, 04:58:19 PM
If he moves to spurs he will be moving to a team in the Europa cup who play in London  who will finish in the top 6 and be on very good money to do it, and with a bit of luck could win fa cup or league cup.

If he stays here he will be on lower money playing for a team in the midlands who are most likely going to finish no higher than 12th and almost no chance of winning a cup.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 20, 2015, 05:21:09 PM
I don't but he will score less goals therefore be worth less,Austin scored more than him last season and is valued at around 15million  and already plays down south, how come Spurs haven't snapped him up.
IMO Berahino is a far better player and is improving all the time he is a clever footballer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hayward1984 on August 20, 2015, 05:34:49 PM
5 of Austin's goals were against us!

He also scored about 5 pens!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ukar1 on August 20, 2015, 05:38:35 PM
Agreed. He'll also have more chance of an England spot playing for Spurs than if he stays with us. He'll score less and his value will decrease playing under Pulis IMO.
Yeah right.. Another dig at a manager we are lucky to have.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 20, 2015, 06:02:07 PM
Yeah right.. Another dig at a manager we are lucky to have.

Glad you agree. How many league goals from open play did Saido score under Pulis? It's a fact that Pulis teams don't score many goals. How will Saido benefit from that?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 20, 2015, 06:02:46 PM
5 of Austin's goals were against us!

He also scored about 5 pens!

How many of Saido's goals were penalties?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 20, 2015, 06:08:28 PM
How many of Saido's goals were penalties?
Assuming we keep Saido i think Lambert and  Rondon would make better strike partners than Ideye and Sick note.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: spyro on August 20, 2015, 06:16:33 PM
Yeah right.. Another dig at a manager we are lucky to have.
its true though
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on August 20, 2015, 06:50:55 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34003704

Pochettino after a new striker apparently!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 20, 2015, 06:57:12 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34003704

Pochettino after a new striker apparently!
There are plenty of strikers on the London Underground. :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on August 20, 2015, 09:17:24 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34003704

Pochettino after a new striker apparently!

I think they are talking about Berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 20, 2015, 09:35:55 PM
I think they are talking about Berahino

I haven't seem the full interview he gave but...

I believe he had already been asked about Saido

and then clearly said "we have the different target(sic)"

So is Saido the back up option for them now?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 20, 2015, 10:16:24 PM
I just saw an unedited version of the interview and he clearly uses "different" in his response to a Saido question.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 20, 2015, 10:23:45 PM
I haven't seem the full interview he gave but...

I believe he had already been asked about Saido

and then clearly said "we have the different target(sic)"

So is Saido the back up option for them now?

If Tottenham won't pay the price then they don't get Saido - very simple.  The fact that no increases offer was received today speaks volumes.

I suspect Levy wants Austin as the cheaper option.

Either that or they know United are about to bid for Kane which would be a game-changer for them.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbatillidie on August 20, 2015, 11:20:22 PM
I'm sure they will have back-up plans to Berahino but he's clearly their number 1 target
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 20, 2015, 11:54:35 PM
I'm sure they will have back-up plans to Berahino but he's clearly their number 1 target

funny only the media seem to think that... if they really wanted him (number 1 target)  the deal would have already been done by now...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on August 21, 2015, 12:18:52 AM
I just hope they don't leave it until the final couple of days of the transfer window before making the big bid for Saido as that would put us in a difficult position.

I still have some doubts that Spurs will pay what we want anyway but it would be typical if they leave it until te last minute before they make tier bid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 21, 2015, 12:40:58 AM
It is funny that Spurs are talking up "other" targets and saying that they won't be held to ransom like if we aren't careful we will blow the deal. We don't want to sell and we don't need to sell so it is empty posturing the only thing that will change the landscape is either a £20m plus bid or the player coming out and demanding a move. I don't think Spurs are going to go over the top with a bid they have spent most of the summer unloading expensive mistakes from two season ago and I doubt they will be in a hurry to go down that path again
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 21, 2015, 03:21:22 AM
I expect talk of other targets at this stage is just posturing from Spurs. It's clear they want him but don't want to pay the big money we demand for him, they will already have been in the ear of whoever is currently representing Saido trying to get him to hand in a transfer request.

We can't allow ourselves to get into a position where we have no time to get a replacement in so if a move happens it needs to happen very soon. It will be interesting to see how it develops. I'm hopeful he won't try and force a move and will continue to just get on with his job for us while it plays out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 21, 2015, 06:46:39 AM
Agree with the poster who said the fact they didnt bid yesterday is telling, Levy is as stern as Peace so i could see them moving on to other targets.

Im not overly fussed on the situation to be honest, If he stays no doubt we will carry on using him out of position and it benefits neither us or our coffers so im not overly bothered unfortunately.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 21, 2015, 07:31:36 AM
I've seen speculation of an imminent £22m bid coming today, and that Saido may have to force the deal by requesting a transfer and giving up his bonus so that the £3m shortfall on the £25m we require will be made up by Saido (giving up his bonus) rather than by the club.   That looks to me to be a very likely outcome.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on August 21, 2015, 08:13:35 AM
From the point of view of the club, I think we should keep him for 1 more season. Rondon needs time to adapt, it is difficult for him to shoulder the goalscorer role in the first year in England.

For the play himself, I think he should stay 1 more season too. I think some big clubs, e.g Man Utd will find a new striker next season, Saido has he ability to play for a club which is bigger than Spur.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on August 21, 2015, 08:53:21 AM
For what its worth, my opinion is that Saido isn't 25 million pounds worth of talent and I would happily swap him for both Austin and Phillips
If we could squeeze Jedenik from Palace in aswell I think we would have a great deal
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ukar1 on August 21, 2015, 09:13:35 AM
Agreed re that.Saido is good of course but I don't think he is all that.
I would rather have a 32 year old Kevin Phillips if such an animal was available... Now Phillips was the best forward ive seen at Albion for so many years..ah well I can dream.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 21, 2015, 09:34:21 AM
Steve Madeley @smadeley_star
Pulis confirms Fazio is at the training ground for a medical but says the deal has no bearing on Berahino. Story to follow... #wba
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 21, 2015, 09:57:04 AM
Glad you agree. How many league goals from open play did Saido score under Pulis? It's a fact that Pulis teams don't score many goals. How will Saido benefit from that?

he scored 7 league goals under Pulis (no pens 1 freekick)and 7 league goals under Irvine (3 pens)

we scored 20 league goals under Pulis and 18 league goals under Irvine.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 21, 2015, 10:03:57 AM
he scored 7 league goals under Pulis (no pens 1 freekick)and 7 league goals under Irvine (3 pens)

we scored 20 league goals under Pulis and 18 league goals under Irvine.

So Saido bagged 10 goals from open play, which given the game time iinvolved makes Ideye look entirely reasonable.  - Statistics ay, gotta love em !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 21, 2015, 10:31:41 AM
So Saido bagged 10 goals from open play, which given the game time iinvolved makes Ideye look entirely reasonable.  - Statistics ay, gotta love em !
Not sure what your point is, but yes stats can be misleading.

I was using the stats in response to another poster who seemed to suggest that under Pulis Berahino would struggle for goals when stats show he scored more under him than Irvine as we did as a side.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 21, 2015, 10:43:51 AM
he scored 7 league goals under Pulis (no pens 1 freekick)and 7 league goals under Irvine (3 pens)

we scored 20 league goals under Pulis and 18 league goals under Irvine.

It's more than I thought under Pulis to be honest. The point I was trying to make originally is that I can see him being shifted out wide to accomodate either Lambert or Rondon which IMO will mean less goals from him.

P.S. Sorry to be pedantic but he did score 1 penalty v Chelsea under Pulis.  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 21, 2015, 10:57:36 AM
It's more than I thought under Pulis to be honest. The point I was trying to make originally is that I can see him being shifted out wide to accomodate either Lambert or Rondon which IMO will mean less goals from him.

P.S. Sorry to be pedantic but he did score 1 penalty v Chelsea under Pulis.  ;D

Yes sorry you are right!

 I think you may be right about him being used as a wide man but I might be wrong but doesn't he play there for England U21's and is close to being the record scorer? so it's not as if he is new to the role.

I would also hope that our attacking options will be more fluid in the way that Odemwingie, Long and Gera used to interchange positions during a game. I do appreciate that that is harder to do in a 4-4-2 than a 4-2-3-1 though.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 21, 2015, 11:12:40 AM
Sorry, I wasn't clear, I was attempting to put some factual substance to the argument that Saido isn't really that exceptional.

If you accept that Saido scored 10 goals from open play, (which is not shabby for a 22 year old) and he was playing for a lot more minutes than Ideye, Is there a case to support selling Saido??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 21, 2015, 11:17:01 AM
It's more than I thought under Pulis to be honest. The point I was trying to make originally is that I can see him being shifted out wide to accomodate either Lambert or Rondon which IMO will mean less goals from him.

P.S. Sorry to be pedantic but he did score 1 penalty v Chelsea under Pulis.  ;D

Berahino has scored two in our last 12 competitive matches (same as Anichebe and Gardner  :o). Both against Chelsea, one of which a penalty.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on August 21, 2015, 11:25:46 AM
Yes sorry you are right!

 I think you may be right about him being used as a wide man but I might be wrong but doesn't he play there for England U21's and is close to being the record scorer? so it's not as if he is new to the role.

I would also hope that our attacking options will be more fluid in the way that Odemwingie, Long and Gera used to interchange positions during a game. I do appreciate that that is harder to do in a 4-4-2 than a 4-2-3-1 though.

I agree with all of this. I said on here the day we signed Rondon that if he stays we may have to get used to seeing Berahino in a wide position to accommodate our two new forwards. This isn't necessarily a negative thing. Like you say, a sign of an above average forward player is one that can be flexible and fluid in his positional play and drop in and cover when needed. Berahino is arguably our most hard working player, certainly not afraid to track back either when required. His general body language and work rate has improved 100% since TP arrived. His worth to the side and his reported value is far more than for just goals alone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 21, 2015, 11:55:33 AM
I agree with all of this. I said on here the day we signed Rondon that if he stays we may have to get used to seeing Berahino in a wide position to accommodate our two new forwards. This isn't necessarily a negative thing. Like you say, a sign of an above average forward player is one that can be flexible and fluid in his positional play and drop in and cover when needed. Berahino is arguably our most hard working player, certainly not afraid to track back either when required. His general body language and work rate has improved 100% since TP arrived. His worth to the side and his reported value is far more than for just goals alone.

The problem for me is that we are moving our best striker from his best position to accommodate others. Saido is more than capable of playing out wide but for me isn't as effective as we've seen before. He's much better as an out and out striker. We did the same thing with Odemwingie shifting him out wide to accommodate Long. Again he did a good job there but it took an edge and goals out of his game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on August 21, 2015, 11:59:01 AM
The problem for me is that we are moving our best striker from his best position to accommodate others. Saido is more than capable of playing out wide but for me isn't as effective as we've seen before. He's much better as an out and out striker. We did the same thing with Odemwingie shifting him out wide to accommodate Long. Again he did a good job there but it took an edge and goals out of his game.

See I'd tend to disagree. I think Berahino has all the makings of a great inside forward, cutting in off either flank (I'd assume the left). His chance against Man City came from running past Sagna.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 21, 2015, 12:02:15 PM
The problem for me is that we are moving our best striker from his best position to accommodate others. Saido is more than capable of playing out wide but for me isn't as effective as we've seen before. He's much better as an out and out striker. We did the same thing with Odemwingie shifting him out wide to accommodate Long. Again he did a good job there but it took an edge and goals out of his game.
I'm with you on this, but hope
a) we keep saido
b) one at least of  Gnabry / mcLean, macmanamanananan come good and fill the wide role.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 21, 2015, 12:04:48 PM
See I'd tend to disagree. I think Berahino has all the makings of a great inside forward, cutting in off either flank (I'd assume the left). His chance against Man City came from running past Sagna.

Indeed, he has scored a number of his goals for us and England U21's cutting in from the right / left and curling or firing the shot round or low past the keeper into the far post.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 21, 2015, 12:59:36 PM
 ''If [Raheem] Sterling can go for £50 million, this lad [Berahino] is worth at least £25 million.'' quote from Johnny Giles.

Source:- http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/08/21/johnny-giles-comments-on-west-broms-saido-berahinos-valuation/

It is from HITC though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ronnie_allen on August 21, 2015, 03:13:21 PM
''If [Raheem] Sterling can go for £50 million, this lad [Berahino] is worth at least £25 million.'' quote from Johnny Giles.

Source:- http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/08/21/johnny-giles-comments-on-west-broms-saido-berahinos-valuation/

It is from HITC though.

Not reading the article - but Giles did say that on a radio slot for Ireland's national talk radio station yesterday on a regular weekly slot he has.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 22, 2015, 10:27:06 AM
Whos the one with the flu bug then ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 22, 2015, 11:22:16 AM
I just hope they don't leave it until the final couple of days of the transfer window before making the big bid for Saido as that would put us in a difficult position.

I still have some doubts that Spurs will pay what we want anyway but it would be typical if they leave it until te last minute before they make tier bid.

We are doing to Spurs with Berahino what QPR are doing to us with Phillips.
If you want him now pay up or risk him staying or going elsewhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on August 23, 2015, 12:32:59 PM
Berahino not in squad today.

Hes a going to
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 23, 2015, 12:37:32 PM
I would imagine we have seen the last of him in a baggies shirt.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 23, 2015, 12:37:45 PM
Must admit that this pretty much confirms that he's off. Unless it's a last minute injury then I doubt he'll be an albion player by the end of the week.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 23, 2015, 12:49:00 PM
Was happy to play but TP said he's not in the right frame of mind.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 23, 2015, 12:50:38 PM
Was happy to play but TP said he's not in the right frame of mind.

Happy to play but not in the right frame of mind? What, he should be unhappy to play?

I don't like weaseling TP should tell it like it is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 23, 2015, 12:52:25 PM
Not really that bothered, get the money and move on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 23, 2015, 01:02:13 PM
Rumours floating about deal agreed for 22million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 23, 2015, 01:07:57 PM
Pulis said on Friday that he'd have no problem at all in playing Berahino and yet today Berahino's now not in the right frame of mind....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 23, 2015, 01:09:07 PM
Refused to play.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 23, 2015, 01:11:33 PM
I wonder if this is why the Fazio deal fell through? We we either renegotiating the deal or moving on to other targets with the additional money coming our way. As much as I like Saido if the deal allows us to bring in 2 or 3 New players then makes sense.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on August 23, 2015, 01:13:06 PM
TP dodged a TV reporter's specific question as to why Berahino is not in the squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2015, 01:17:35 PM
Refused to play.

Virtually every other rumour is that he wanted to play.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darby009 on August 23, 2015, 01:18:42 PM
Rumours that a deal to Man Utd has been agreed and it Wouldn't surprise me if it was True.

Apparently he is Man Utd fan and after spud unsettled him leaking there interest to the press for over a month  hi hope Utd nick him off them. Also if I was Albion I would refuse to deal with spuds over this. Wouldn't be surprised if Evans and Wilson included in the deal
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 23, 2015, 01:22:19 PM
Virtually every other rumour is that he wanted to play.

Sorry I'm pretending to be ITK know there  :D, Just my take on it I guess we won't know the truth.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 23, 2015, 02:31:16 PM
£20m with Evans permanent and Wilson loan would do the job. Then go for Phillps and midfielder. Best we can hope for
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 23, 2015, 02:34:42 PM
Very telling that he is off today not even in todays squad
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 23, 2015, 02:40:12 PM
Ive no doubt in my mind that a deal has been agreed somewhere and he is off.

Im hoping a deal to Utd is done rather than Spurs personally. Think he would excel at Old Trafford, if he doesnt go there now though expect him to be bought by them for twice the price off Spurs in 2-3 years time
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 23, 2015, 03:12:15 PM
Ive no doubt in my mind that a deal has been agreed somewhere and he is off.

Im hoping a deal to Utd is done rather than Spurs personally. Think he would excel at Old Trafford, if he doesnt go there now though expect him to be bought by them for twice the price off Spurs in 2-3 years time
I think so to mate! 22 mil is nowhere near enough.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 23, 2015, 03:28:35 PM
I think it will be madness to let Saido go to Tottering Hotspots.  It would be a bad move for him, money aside, to go to a team that are going nowhere.

For us, unless the money is really exceptional - around £30+m - we lose our star player and likely replace him with ageing has beens or never wasses.  We should be building a team around him, even if it is only for a year or two.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 23, 2015, 03:45:07 PM
I think it will be madness to let Saido go to Tottering Hotspots.  It would be a bad move for him, money aside, to go to a team that are going nowhere.

For us, unless the money is really exceptional - around £30+m - we lose our star player and likely replace him with ageing has beens or never wasses.  We should be building a team around him, even if it is only for a year or two.

Double his wages, a move to London, more chance of winning a cup, potential European football and more chance of an England call up. A very bad move for him indeed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tennant1wba on August 23, 2015, 03:52:48 PM
let him go bring on phillips and have go at getting afobe off the dingles  😀
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 23, 2015, 04:32:37 PM
I wonder if this is why the Fazio deal fell through? We we either renegotiating the deal or moving on to other targets with the additional money coming our way. As much as I like Saido if the deal allows us to bring in 2 or 3 New players then makes sense.

That VERY much depends on the quality of players brought in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: weareblueweare white on August 23, 2015, 04:36:01 PM
I think it will be madness to let Saido go to Tottering Hotspots.  It would be a bad move for him, money aside, to go to a team that are going nowhere.

For us, unless the money is really exceptional - around £30+m - we lose our star player and likely replace him with ageing has beens or never wasses.  We should be building a team around him, even if it is only for a year or two.
If they come up with silly money for him and it suites us then I don't mind where he goes.
The priority if we're going to let him go is we get a silly fee and re-invest it to strengthen the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 23, 2015, 04:38:46 PM
If no deal has been agreed, him not playing today weakens our negotiating position significantly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on August 23, 2015, 04:50:32 PM
If no deal has been agreed, him not playing today weakens our negotiating position significantly.

Doesn't seem to me to make a scrap of difference to our negotiating position. What will be interesting, if no deal has been struck before Tuesday, is whether he will be picked against Port Vale and (in that competition) cup tied.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on August 23, 2015, 04:51:07 PM
£20 million plus Evans  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on August 23, 2015, 05:13:42 PM
£20 million plus Evans  ;)
........And Wilson on loan !! ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sted1990 on August 23, 2015, 05:16:29 PM
I don't wamt Wilson. He isnt raved about, won't offer much.

I'd rather Hernandez but I know that's very unlikely!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on August 23, 2015, 05:29:28 PM
£20 million plus Evans  ;)

Are you saying you know something or are you just musing?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 23, 2015, 05:30:34 PM
Don't know where the Man Utd rumours have come from. No media substance either
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tennant1wba on August 23, 2015, 05:37:29 PM
ive just been told man utd by a good source who is in with the back room staff but mentioned ashley young and evans with a deal !!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on August 23, 2015, 05:38:37 PM
ive just been told man utd by a good source who is in with the back room staff but mentioned ashley young and evans with a deal !!!!

Ashley Young is a first team player at United my friend. Not a chance
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on August 23, 2015, 05:39:36 PM
ive just been told man utd by a good source who is in with the back room staff but mentioned ashley young and evans with a deal !!!!
Ashley young played very well last season and we can't afford his wage. No chance for this one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 23, 2015, 05:41:29 PM
ive just been told man utd by a good source who is in with the back room staff but mentioned ashley young and evans with a deal !!!!

Same Ashley Young thats on £118k a week ? Think you need to check your sources again.

I'd go for the Worcester next time instead of the ketchup.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 23, 2015, 05:43:13 PM
Same Ashley Young thats on £118k a week ? Think you need to check your sources again.

I'd go for the Worcester next time instead of the ketchup.
He's got some brown he's got some brown he's got some brown.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 23, 2015, 05:43:38 PM
Are you saying you know something or are you just musing?

He literally hasn't got a clue outside of what he reads in the press and on twitter.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on August 23, 2015, 05:49:23 PM
He literally hasn't got a clue outside of what he reads in the press and on twitter.

I thought I'd be fair and give him the chance to explain before reaching a conclusion (that will otherwise probably  be much like yours)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on August 23, 2015, 05:53:23 PM
He literally hasn't got a clue outside of what he reads in the press and on twitter.

We do have some fantasists on this forum
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 23, 2015, 05:58:57 PM
We do have some fantasists on this forum

Trust me it's not just the forum, Pubs are bad for attention seekers to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on August 23, 2015, 06:02:35 PM
We do have some fantasists on this forum

I always struggle understanding those text speak abbreviations like LOL and IMHO and OHAC but the one that puzzles me on this forum is ITK. Does it mean "I talk Kobblers"?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andio on August 23, 2015, 06:05:33 PM
I always struggle understanding those text speak abbreviations like LOL and IMHO and OHAC but the one that puzzles me on this forum is ITK. Does it mean "I talk Kobblers"?

In the know.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on August 23, 2015, 06:08:45 PM
In the know.

I suppose I should have added LOL to avoid the possibility that my post would be taken literally!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andio on August 23, 2015, 06:16:29 PM
I suppose I should have added LOL to avoid the possibility that my post would be taken literally!

haha, yes  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbatillidie on August 23, 2015, 06:16:36 PM
ive just been told man utd by a good source who is in with the back room staff but mentioned ashley young and evans with a deal !!!!

He's already signed a new 3 year deal this summer, absolutely no chance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on August 23, 2015, 06:22:40 PM
Might sound bizarre but I think we are actually better off without Berahino.

To explain, I think we looked much better today playing 4-5-1 with two recognised winger and a focal point up top in Rondon who can seemingly play that lone striker role very well. In order to be of any attacking threat I feel it is imperative that we have wingers on there who can get to the by-line and whip in a cross, both McLean and to a greater extent McManaman looked good today doing this for us, we also need someone to link midfield to attack, Morrison did this very well today, and we need a striker who we can play it up to who will keep the ball and is capable of holding it up and scoring goals, which we seem to have found in Rondon. Now my point is Berahino does not fit into this system unless you play him out of position out wide or in attacking midfield, where you will nullify his goalscoring threat or upfront on his own which he wouldn't play anywhere near as well as Rondon has today.

To me it would make sense to take the money now and invest it in a winger and a centre back because we look much better in a 4-5-1 system. If we kept hold of Saido, Pulis would feel the need to squeeze him in every week which would likely lead to 4-4-2 and us looking as disjointed as we did against City/Watford. As much as the guy is quality, I just don't think he suits what Pulis is looking to put in place here.

To add to this, and further evidence my point, we looked no where near as effective when Lambert came on and we had two up top as we did prior to that with Morrison in the AM role and Rondon on his own with the two proper wingers on the flanks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 23, 2015, 06:37:54 PM
There is no way Young is coming. Some people spread some unbelievable carp!! As another poster said ihe signed a new deal and is playing well. Where does it say he is going to Man Utd
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Noty Bromway on August 23, 2015, 07:37:18 PM
Pulls saying it's not 1 club in for him but 15....to me means it's all about how much jp can squeeze now...he's gone I'm afraid 😢
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 23, 2015, 07:40:03 PM
Pulls saying it's not 1 club in for him but 15....to me means it's all about how much jp can squeeze now...he's gone I'm afraid 😢

Yeah, and going on past experience I am dreading what replacements we sign with the money we get for Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 23, 2015, 07:40:40 PM
When did Pulis say that ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Noty Bromway on August 23, 2015, 07:41:54 PM
 Jellavic and Barton  :'(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Noty Bromway on August 23, 2015, 07:42:33 PM
When did Pulis say that ?

It's on o/s explaining his absence
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 23, 2015, 07:50:51 PM
Doesn't say 15 clubs are in for him but it's the speculation linking him to everyone.  Would say there will be Spurs making a bid and then one or two others ready to move in and make bids this week
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on August 23, 2015, 08:09:53 PM
Two people very very close to Saido have told me he's gone, apparently on close to 80k a week.  It's a shame but I think we all knew it was going to happen deep down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 23, 2015, 08:13:06 PM
You've been chatting to his mum on Facebook  :)

Seriously it is sad but hope we make the most of the money. Fee and destination by any chance ??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 23, 2015, 08:14:15 PM
I wish this saga would just hurry up and come to an end so we know what position we find ourselves left in. It's going to do no good for either Saido or the club. If Spurs want him then the message is simple - stump up the cash or fvck off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 23, 2015, 08:17:13 PM
Spot on mate, sort of wish City or Utd had come in over summer. They just pay above the going rate and that's it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on August 23, 2015, 08:21:20 PM
Well if he's going or gone good luck to the Boy,but JP better invest that money on the team
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on August 23, 2015, 08:25:47 PM
Well if he's going or gone good luck to the Boy,but JP better invest that money on the team
agree but lets hope it is invested and not a recuperation exercise.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 23, 2015, 08:29:41 PM
Yes good luck to the lad is right. If it was any of us we would do the same, he has conducted himself well. TP is confident there will be a few coming in so we must be investing. We do need a quick striker. For those who didn't rate Vardy can you imagine the damage him and Rondon would do
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 23, 2015, 08:31:11 PM
Need to hear more tomorrow or Tuesday get it done aswel as Bobby if we can find a club and move on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 23, 2015, 08:34:52 PM
Seems like his head has been turned but he can't go anywhere until someone stumps up the money!
When they do then are Albion going to revest it in the team or just balance the books?

Make no mistake, replacing 15-20 goals won't be easy and could cost us our Premiership place if we fail to do so.
A massive week coming up, a week that will dictate our season. Let's hope the Club get it right !

Sad thing is that Rondon looks like he could have been just the spearhead neede to partner Berahino and also take some of the goalscoring burden off him!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 23, 2015, 08:36:17 PM
That's potentially £30m coming in if those are done. Most of which we could spend as we made a massive profit last year and have a few more to shift. I think Albion will try to agree fee's before it is public knowledge about the fee for Saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2015, 08:38:44 PM
It will be £undisclosed whatever it is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 23, 2015, 08:43:43 PM
Just noticed that John Stones played today for Everton. Now his head must really be turned but he still plays
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 23, 2015, 08:45:04 PM
It will be £undisclosed whatever it is.

And if it is given as undisclosed and we fail to invest adequately to replace then that will be a kick in the teeth for us fans.........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Watton...! on August 23, 2015, 08:45:41 PM
Just noticed that John Stones played today for Everton. Now his head must really be turned but he still plays

Don't think they really have a choice but to play him, they lack centre halves at the moment
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 23, 2015, 08:47:37 PM
Don't think they really have a choice but to play him, they lack centre halves at the moment

And we have a lack of goalscorers !!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 23, 2015, 08:54:36 PM
Just noticed that John Stones played today for Everton. Now his head must really be turned but he still plays

We are not involved with Stone though, otherwise that would be a potential road crash.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 23, 2015, 08:59:20 PM
Yes our top penalty taker is rested as his head isn't right or is it because he's stuck in a hotel negotiating his transfer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 23, 2015, 09:06:57 PM
Double his wages, a move to London, more chance of winning a cup, potential European football and more chance of an England call up. A very bad move for him indeed.
Spurs supporter?  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 23, 2015, 09:10:59 PM
Don't think they really have a choice but to play him, they lack centre halves at the moment

Or is it that he is genuinely not for sale at any price?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 23, 2015, 09:16:22 PM
If Saido is sold to Spurs this week JP will look really foolish after his statement.

The only way to explain himself would be to show he was sold for BIG money. I know we "undisclose" stuff, but this one needs to be stated.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on August 23, 2015, 09:20:47 PM
Well if we get the £25m that is being mooted as the asking price, that would be £7m more than they offered. I guess JP is stating the club position in the absence of a technical director who would usually handle that side.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andzy on August 23, 2015, 09:26:53 PM
The people that are suggesting we have to spend the money its already been spent, they will use the same old excuse that we ran out of time to make it look like we tried.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 23, 2015, 09:29:30 PM
If Saido is sold to Spurs this week JP will look really foolish after his statement.

The only way to explain himself would be to show he was sold for BIG money. I know we "undisclose" stuff, but this one needs to be stated.

It doesn't.

It will give other clubs an indication of what money we have available and clubs will want some of that cake. Whatever the fee is for Berahino should be kept behind closed doors otherwise we lose our bargaining position in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on August 23, 2015, 09:49:02 PM
The people that are suggesting we have to spend the money its already been spent, they will use the same old excuse that we ran out of time to make it look like we tried.

That is exactly what i think aswel. Hope im wrong though
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MICKYMEL on August 23, 2015, 10:08:40 PM
I don't want Saido to go but looks more and more likely. Great finisher and penalty taker , needed that today ! Would be an excellent partnership him and rondon BUT it's clear he's close to going.
Doom and gloom merchants need to get a grip though. All this we can't replace his 20 goals a season. What??
He has had 1 season doing that, not 3 or 4 seasons. Plus half last seasons total was penalties and a 4 goal haul against Gateshead.

Good player, one of our own and all that but for the greater good we will be ok
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on August 23, 2015, 10:26:44 PM
Double his wages, a move to London, more chance of winning a cup, potential European football and more chance of an England call up. A very bad move for him indeed.

Bang on mate, shame a few didn't appreciate him while he was here. Wish him the best and he will be getting a standing ovation for me next time he is at the Albion, praying it will be in a blue and white shirt but it looks inevitable now he will be gone
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 23, 2015, 11:02:59 PM
I don't think Saido would be a great partner for Rondon or Lambert, he is not a number 10. He can play as an out and out striker or a wide attacker in a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 and as such could work with Rondon or Lambert but playing up with another striker is not his game.

 If we can get the right players in from the money he brings in then I wouldn't be too distressed about him leaving but I hope this does not happen at the death.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 23, 2015, 11:04:27 PM
Shame, but seen enough today to suggest that if the money is re-invested in replacement for Olsson, and with another winger/striker, we'll be ok.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 23, 2015, 11:26:01 PM
Shame, but seen enough today to suggest that if the money is re-invested in replacement for Olsson, and with another winger/striker, we'll be ok.
I agree shame but that is today's football.One positive is we have Lambert and Rondon and hopefully another attacking player brought in so we are not relying so much on one player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on August 24, 2015, 05:58:05 AM
To be honest i can't say i blame Saido. When he first came into our first team he was on £8k pw. When he became the hottest young property in the EPL, Peace upped his wages to £20k pw.
Peace said it was in the lad's best interest as giving young player's too much too soon could send them off the rails.
Absolute b*******. As usual Peace is trying to get something for nothing again, but people on here will still say good old Jezza, he is looking out for the lad.
I wonder if Spurs pay Harry Kane £20k pw in case any more might go to his head?  :D

Saido has probably seen us sign Lambert and Rondon and pay them double or treble what he is earning.
Not saying we would keep him if we paid top dollar, all players want to play at the highest level like the CL, but bloody hell, £20k pw is an insult for someone of his talent.
Maybe he would have had a big rise if he had signed a new deal, but once again Peace has shut the stable door after the hoss as bolted.

By the way, if Saido goes Peaces outlay this window will be around zero.

If he signs Austin and Phillips with the money fair enough, but i'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 24, 2015, 06:28:58 AM
Better to let him go, grab the cash, get Phillips.
The way we played yesterday the only available position for Berahino is out wide and that would deflect from the real strengths in his game.
If we can use the cash to strengthen the midfield and defence then let him go with our blessings.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 24, 2015, 07:15:02 AM
I agree with the last couple of posts, Saido is a good player and could be very good in time however we need a number 10, creative midfielder to drop off the forward and make things happen. Dembele would be a good one? With the Saido money we might be able to recruit a couple more players to add balance to this still unbalanced squad.

It was about six months ago when Saido went off the boil after claiming he wanted to leave got bigger and better things , I'm not sure we'll miss him as much as some think ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2015, 08:02:07 AM
really getting on my breasts now this, its time to go, heads gone my ass
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 24, 2015, 08:04:33 AM
I don't want Saido to go but looks more and more likely. Great finisher and penalty taker , needed that today ! Would be an excellent partnership him and rondon BUT it's clear he's close to going.
Doom and gloom merchants need to get a grip though. All this we can't replace his 20 goals a season. What??
He has had 1 season doing that, not 3 or 4 seasons. Plus half last seasons total was penalties and a 4 goal haul against Gateshead.

Good player, one of our own and all that but for the greater good we will be ok

They still need to be put in the back of the net though.

They all count whether they are penalties, 40 yard volleys, or 2 yard tap ins.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 17GD on August 24, 2015, 09:33:06 AM
To be honest i can't say i blame Saido. When he first came into our first team he was on £8k pw. When he became the hottest young property in the EPL, Peace upped his wages to £20k pw.
Peace said it was in the lad's best interest as giving young player's too much too soon could send them off the rails.
Absolute b*******. As usual Peace is trying to get something for nothing again, but people on here will still say good old Jezza, he is looking out for the lad.
I wonder if Spurs pay Harry Kane £20k pw in case any more might go to his head?  :D

Saido has probably seen us sign Lambert and Rondon and pay them double or treble what he is earning.
Not saying we would keep him if we paid top dollar, all players want to play at the highest level like the CL, but bloody hell, £20k pw is an insult for someone of his talent.
Maybe he would have had a big rise if he had signed a new deal, but once again Peace has shut the stable door after the hoss as bolted.

By the way, if Saido goes Peaces outlay this window will be around zero.

If he signs Austin and Phillips with the money fair enough, but i'm not holding my breath.

In a manner I agree, but saying he deserves 20k pw is precisely what's wrong with the world. Footballers are vastly overpaid and when people say they deserve it, it further panders to their massive egos. Personally I think the MLS has it right - players are paid around 30-40k per year plus bonuses related to performance, and one star player is paid the most (several million per year). Players would soon start working harder to play and score.

Don't mean to sound pedantic but Saido was on £800pw to begin with and that increased to 14k pw before his latest payrise. I imagine Spurs took into account how mature Kane is, as other clubs do when dealing with players. There must be a streak in Saido (as we've perhaps seen) that seems a little immature.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 24, 2015, 10:37:41 AM
Several posters are missing the point here.

Yes, footballers are massively overpaid, but only because of mugs like us who shell out to pay for Sky and BT packages.

If someone is "only" paying £20k but knows that they could earn £60k a week somewhere else then why wouldn't they want it?  Each and every one of us would surely do the same!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 24, 2015, 10:40:47 AM
Doesn't really matter if we agree or not, the going rate for a decent forward in the EPL  is around £40-60k per week. If we don't pay the going rate we risk losing the player. If he does leave, we're certainly going to have to pay £40-60 k per week to replace him.

What is an insult, IMO, is the report on "Newsnow" this morning that Spurs think they can get him for £40k per week, I don't think they will, it leaves the door open for ManU or possibly Arsenal, & there he'd be a better fit IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 24, 2015, 10:45:46 AM
21 year old who has talent and wants to go to London to play for a half decent team and the chance to get into Europe and possibly win a cup, No shock here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on August 24, 2015, 10:47:36 AM
Well we're trying to get him to sign a new contract, so surely we're offering a decent wage to try and tie him down?

Either way, he'll end up on more than he is on now,it's just a case of who is his employer. Will be interesting to see if he gets a run out tomorrow. Maybe TP will think there'll be less pressure? Though if he's cup tied that could be the loss of a bargaining chip in inflating his price.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Xpresso on August 24, 2015, 01:03:49 PM
Starting to hear talk of a move to Man Utd for Saido, with Evans part of a swap deal.

Now that wouldn't surprise me at all. Always thought that was where he wanted to go.

http://www.retrounited.com/united-in-talks-with-berahino-defender-to-move-other-way/? (http://www.retrounited.com/united-in-talks-with-berahino-defender-to-move-other-way/?)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 24, 2015, 01:44:43 PM
Starting to hear talk of a move to Man Utd for Saido, with Evans part of a swap deal.

Now that wouldn't surprise me at all. Always thought that was where he wanted to go.

http://www.retrounited.com/united-in-talks-with-berahino-defender-to-move-other-way/? (http://www.retrounited.com/united-in-talks-with-berahino-defender-to-move-other-way/?)

i'd be very worried if we swapped our top goalscorer for another CB  :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on August 24, 2015, 01:50:23 PM
really getting on my breasts now this, its time to go, heads gone my ass

He didn't say that at all. It was Pulis who told him his head wasn't in the right place. Pulis even said Berahino was happy to play.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on August 24, 2015, 02:02:25 PM
Say we sell Saido for £35m, we would not have made any financial gain if you factor in our signings this transfer window. If we are selling him and I hope we don't, it should be for 35-40 million. It's a real chance to invest in the future. Little old Albion are being played here by the bigger clubs with bigger pockets.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on August 24, 2015, 02:27:24 PM
i'd be very worried if we swapped our top goalscorer for another CB  :(

Obviously we'd get some money on top about 20mil I'd say that would be a good deal, then we go sign Austin for 13m
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2015, 02:31:32 PM
I would prefer to see him go to Man ure or Arsenal TBH,and after yesterday I would not be advese to seeing a CB as part of the deal, but I would like to see the money invested down at QPR for Austin and Phillips........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 24, 2015, 02:39:07 PM
I would prefer to see him go to Man ure or Arsenal TBH,and after yesterday I would not be advese to seeing a CB as part of the deal, but I would like to see the money invested down at QPR for Austin and Phillips........

I'd love to see him go anywhere but Spurs.  They deserve to lose out.

Evans, Phillips, Austin, Marshall and a CM in will be ideal.  Depends on us shifting several though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 24, 2015, 02:55:55 PM
John Percy @John__Percy
West Brom striker Saido Berahino to hand in transfer request in a bid to force Spurs move #wba #coys via @Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/11820083/Saido-Berahino-will-hand-in-transfer-request-to-secure-Tottenham-move.html

If he does, can't wait to see the back of him. Pay us the £25m and you can have him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2015, 03:00:37 PM
Need him off the books to be honest, it is an unwelcome distraction down at the club. We just need to have the money and move on. He is a great player but we were always going to lose him.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 24, 2015, 03:08:35 PM
It says Spuds are 'preparing a bid'.  It took them 2 months of paper talk to come up with the 1st one.  So I guess we'll see them in January.

Straight bat time - with both Saido and Spurs.  Meet our expectations and there's a deal.  Otherwise nothing is happening.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGYINTHESOUTH on August 24, 2015, 03:14:46 PM
Told you last week this would happen, Transfer request to be put in and all the tantrums that go with it, club will probably have to sell 2-3 mill short of there valuation to get rid off, Cheers saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2015, 03:16:34 PM
Iread somewhere that if we get 322m then Saido does not get a £3m bonus, so it still works out to be £25m in the bank. Anyone know if this is right?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on August 24, 2015, 03:23:29 PM
Iread somewhere that if we get 322m then Saido does not get a £3m bonus, so it still works out to be £25m in the bank. Anyone know if this is right?

Players have a loyalty payment written into their contract. If a player hands in a transfer request and moves clubs they say goodbye to that loyalty payment (which may be the £3m you read about.)

West Brom may accept a lower transfer fee with saving on the loyalty payment. As you say, £22m in + keeping the loyalty payment figure may well equal the asking price. (That's assuming the asking price is £25m and the loyalty bonus is £3m)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2015, 03:24:04 PM
the gutter press are to blame for this, making it up half the time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 24, 2015, 03:28:09 PM
Players have a loyalty payment written into their contract. If a player hands in a transfer request and moves clubs they say goodbye to that loyalty payment (which may be the £3m you read about.)

West Brom may accept a lower transfer fee with saving on the loyalty payment. As you say, £22m + keeping the loyalty payment figure may well equal the asking price.

That's correct.  As long we get our £25m then who cares whether Berahino is contributing £3m of it?

Spurs are sh*ts but I dare say we will end up doing exactly the same with Matt Phillips later this week!


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: nick_wba on August 24, 2015, 03:30:16 PM
Apparently a deal £20mil deal has been agreed between Spurs and Palace for Bolasie. Anyone reckon that will have any effect/anything to do with the Saido deal?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 24, 2015, 03:32:09 PM
Just want him out now and gone.

wouldnt accept anything less than £25m for him though.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 24, 2015, 03:33:26 PM
So much for Tones peps talks to him.
Obviously the money talks louder.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 24, 2015, 03:35:18 PM
Peace didn't blink when Curtis Davies put in his transfer requests.  Of course the difference was he had more time to play with both in terms of length of contract and within the transfer window. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 24, 2015, 03:38:23 PM
Nothing new in this once a player here's of a better deal he,s off i only hope Man U pip Spurs to him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 24, 2015, 03:38:59 PM
Apparently a deal £20mil deal has been agreed between Spurs and Palace for Bolasie. Anyone reckon that will have any effect/anything to do with the Saido deal?

Yes, we should be asking for more money if they are spending £20m on Bolasie.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: amathews3416 on August 24, 2015, 03:40:01 PM
Is John Percy a reputable WBA reporter or is this a reporter sensationalizing a story to sell papers?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2015, 03:40:46 PM
whats the betting all we hear is undisclosed fee
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 24, 2015, 03:40:51 PM
Is John Percy a reputable WBA reporter or is this a reporter sensationalizing a story to sell papers?

He is one of the better ones in my opinion.

Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star  23m23 minutes ago
Checking out report Saido Berahino is set to hand in transfer request. No reason at all to doubt it, though. @John__Percy well-placed. #wba
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 24, 2015, 03:41:13 PM
So much for Tones peps talks to him.
Obviously the money talks louder.

Isnt that a given anyway in modern day football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: amathews3416 on August 24, 2015, 03:41:31 PM
Say we sell Saido for £35m, we would not have made any financial gain if you factor in our signings this transfer window. If we are selling him and I hope we don't, it should be for 35-40 million. It's a real chance to invest in the future. Little old Albion are being played here by the bigger clubs with bigger pockets.

You are crazy if you think we will get anywhere near the fee you are talking of.  This will end up in the 20-25 million range.  Player has rumored to be turning in transfer request and only has two years remaining on his contract.  We recoup as much as we can now or wait until the next TW or Summer and sell him for much less. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2015, 03:43:42 PM
if any player hands in a tranfer request when he has spent the entire summer learning our drills and formations and it leaves us with no time to get a replacement i would send him to Alan Irvines garden
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 24, 2015, 03:45:40 PM
John Percy is a well respected journo, so I accept that it's most likely true... but my question is how?

Who would have told John Percy this information? 

- Would Saido have phoned him personally?
- Would it be Berahino's agent - last I heard he didn't speak to him?  (Presumably if Saido has is contracted to his agent until some point in the autumn, and he doesn't talk to the agent, then he's cut a deal between the existing agent and another agent to share their cut?)
- Could it be someone from Spuds that's told Percy this?
- Maybe it's someone in the WBA hierarchy leaking - and that would mean that Saido has made a threat and people know about it?

None of this makes much sense to me.  I think he must be going, and don't really mind anymore.  I would rather it wasn't spuds though (don't want their snide tactics to be successful).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 24, 2015, 03:46:59 PM
Say we sell Saido for £35m, we would not have made any financial gain if you factor in our signings this transfer window. If we are selling him and I hope we don't, it should be for 35-40 million. It's a real chance to invest in the future. Little old Albion are being played here by the bigger clubs with bigger pockets.


It's a difficult one Jimmy.

I don't think you can factor in the signings we have made or are about to make, they will have been provided for independently of any income we may get from the sale of Berahino.
As I see it, Berahino is a "work in progress", who may or may not go on to greatness. At the moment there is around £20 - 25 million on the table for him, if he has a fantastic season this time that figure could be greater. On the other had, he could have a mare, or get injured, or another up and coming forward could become "flavour of the month", which would see his value drastically reduced.

Additionally, there is his value to the team to consider, would we be as effective without him? Does he bring a positive or a negative element to the dressing room?

From previous contributors to this topic, his wages costs are allegedly not very high (in comparison to the going rate for EPL forwards), but if we are to retain him they would have to increase substantially. As, indeed they would have to for a replacement.

For what it's worth, it's my opinion that TP sees Saido's potential as this creative player we are all crying out for, the goals will come from Rondon & Lambert. It's the prospect of becoming a complete footballer that Saido might find attractive & would certainly add to his value. The next 7 days will be very interesting.

Footnote!

In the light of what's happened since 4:00pm today, Saido sees his future away from WBA, just a question of how much can we get now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2015, 03:47:51 PM
John Percy is a well respected journo, so I accept that it's most likely true... but my question is how?

Who would have told John Percy this information? 

- Would Saido have phoned him personally?
- Would it be Berahino's agent - last I heard he didn't speak to him?  (Presumably if Saido has is contracted to his agent until some point in the autumn, and he doesn't talk to the agent, then he's cut a deal between the existing agent and another agent to share their cut?)
- Could it be someone from Spuds that's told Percy this?
- Maybe it's someone in the WBA hierarchy leaking - and that would mean that Saido has made a threat and people know about it?

None of this makes much sense to me.  I think he must be going, and don't really mind anymore.  I would rather it wasn't spuds though (don't want their snide tactics to be successful).


exactly, he can do one but preferbly to Peterborough
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 24, 2015, 03:49:20 PM
If he doesn't go, he will have egg on his face, the same as Odemwonga who also tried to engineer a move.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on August 24, 2015, 03:51:14 PM
Please remember that is only reported that he might be going to hand in a request. There's no reports to say he has done. I'll reserve judgement on this saga once it's done and dusted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 24, 2015, 04:00:00 PM
Please remember that is only reported that he might be going to hand in a request. There's no reports to say he has done. I'll reserve judgement on this saga once it's done and dusted.

But add the fact that Pulis dropped SB because SB's "head wasn't in the right place" then this rumour looks correct. If so, then it was TP who was being straight and Saido who was being the weasel if he claimed he was happy to play while simultaneously trying to force a move away.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 24, 2015, 04:00:19 PM
Please remember that is only reported that he might be going to hand in a request. There's no reports to say he has done. I'll reserve judgement on this saga once it's done and dusted.

Official & Rejected.

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-berahino-transfer-request-2643793.aspx
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 24, 2015, 04:01:35 PM
Nailed on leaver now then, big money and he's gone. Nobody likes a rotten egg
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 24, 2015, 04:02:07 PM
Official & Rejected.

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-berahino-transfer-request-2643793.aspx

Not surprised in the least the transfer request was rejected. Saido is playing a silly game here with the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on August 24, 2015, 04:02:13 PM
WEST Bromwich Albion have received a written transfer request from Saido Berahino.

The request has been rejected and the club’s position remains unchanged from that outlined in the statement from Chairman Jeremy Peace of August 18.

There will be no further comment.

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-berahino-transfer-request-2643793.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-berahino-transfer-request-2643793.aspx)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 24, 2015, 04:03:11 PM
Nailed on leaver now then, big money and he's gone. Nobody likes a rotten egg

And what if there is no big money bid? Will Saido have a long stint with the u-21s?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 24, 2015, 04:04:12 PM
Its a difficult one as both clubs are clearly playing hard ball. All that will do is delay the move when we really need him gone asap if we are to re-invest any of the cash.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on August 24, 2015, 04:07:26 PM
to be fair saido needs to go, I don't think he will fit in to the syatem that the manager wants and what we want. where does he fit in a 4231 rondon and lambert are the better options for me, Take 25 mill spend on a ATM, CB, RB, and LB and I think we will look stronger than we would with Saido in the team, and I for one would have no problems with Saido leaving, plus he wont get 5-10 goals in this WBA team so sell him now I would say.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on August 24, 2015, 04:11:23 PM
I hope he don't end op at Spurs
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: robbo_wba on August 24, 2015, 04:13:02 PM
to be fair saido needs to go, I don't think he will fit in to the syatem that the manager wants and what we want. where does he fit in a 4231 rondon and lambert are the better options for me, Take 25 mill spend on a ATM, CB, RB, and LB and I think we will look stronger than we would with Saido in the team, and I for one would have no problems with Saido leaving, plus he wont get 5-10 goals in this WBA team so sell him now I would say.

Saido can certainly play in any of those front 4 positions and give us more threat than Lambert. And why wouldn't get 5-10 goals? He got 15 last season in the same team. There's no doubt he will be a big loss for us, if we can hold onto him I would be delighted, but don't expect us to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2015, 04:13:31 PM
Really does need to go now... we don't need a 'Billy big boots' at the club.....

We have looked after him and his mom since he was 9.... thanks Saido......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on August 24, 2015, 04:14:17 PM
I hope he don't end op at Spurs
could work out well for England though a partnership that plays together every week Kane and Berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 24, 2015, 04:16:19 PM
Just as a matter of interest, if Saido's in the squad for tomorrow night, is he cup-tied, or does he have to play?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on August 24, 2015, 04:17:06 PM
could work out well for England though a partnership that plays together every week Kane and Berahino
or him and rooney at utd
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2015, 04:17:54 PM
could work out well for England though a partnership that plays together every week Kane and Berahino

Its a thought but if Kane has another stellar season how long will he remain at the spuds?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 24, 2015, 04:18:08 PM
Really does need to go now... we don't need a 'Billy big boots' at the club.....

We have looked after him and his mom since he was 9.... thanks Saido......

Tbf that was probably the argument the agents used on Saido... "But think about your mom, you will be able to buy her that house and she will never have to worry about money again..."
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nocky on August 24, 2015, 04:18:13 PM
WEST Bromwich Albion have received a written transfer request from Saido Berahino.

The request has been rejected and the club’s position remains unchanged from that outlined in the statement from Chairman Jeremy Peace of August 18.

There will be no further comment.

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-berahino-transfer-request-2643793.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-berahino-transfer-request-2643793.aspx)

This statement is simply a negotiation tactic by the club. If we cave into the request Spuds will know they can get him on the cheap. He'll be gone before the window closes, hopefully at the £25m we want and with enough time for us to bring in replacements.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on August 24, 2015, 04:19:07 PM
Not sure why people are making out he's doing it for the money, he needs to move to develop. We don't play a style that will develop any young footballer with technical ability. Certainly not a forward like Berahino. Get 25m and he should go with all our blessing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 24, 2015, 04:20:24 PM
Stuff England
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on August 24, 2015, 04:21:00 PM
Just as a matter of interest, if Saido's in the squad for tomorrow night, is he cup-tied, or does he have to play?

You have to enter the field of play to be cup tied, I believe :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on August 24, 2015, 04:21:57 PM
He obviously does not want to be here anymore so cash in on him. The fans will be on his back if he plays.
People expecting loyalty from him must realise that there is no loyalty anymore.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2015, 04:23:31 PM
Not sure why people are making out he's doing it for the money, he needs to move to develop. We don't play a style that will develop any young footballer with technical ability. Certainly not a forward like Berahino. Get 25m and he should go with all our blessing.

Do you honestly think money is not at the forefront of his mind?

He was developing quite nicely last season before 'little voices' started to put ideas in his head...... he gave it all away with that one interview he did.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 24, 2015, 04:25:01 PM
Once a player hands in a transfer request, it's very rare for any good to come out of that situation before the player ends up leaving. Along with leaving him out yesterday, it's weakened our bargaining position, so we need to agree a deal asap, use the money on the targets we need it for and then get on with with trying to progress our season, bearing in mind that we're bottom of the league after 3 games.

For Berahino to hand in a transfer request is reprehensible really, given everything that the Club's done for him, but the damage is now done and he needs to go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2015, 04:26:33 PM
talking about this on Talksport now, durham saying we dont play him and wont sell him not making sense
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on August 24, 2015, 04:26:37 PM
Saido can certainly play in any of those front 4 positions and give us more threat than Lambert. And why wouldn't get 5-10 goals? He got 15 last season in the same team. There's no doubt he will be a big loss for us, if we can hold onto him I would be delighted, but don't expect us to.
He can play in those 4 front positions but he wont get 5-10 goals on the wing, and cant see him being the focal point that we need from a lone striker, and he wont be worth the 25 million next season will he? I am not saying I don't want him and he is a bad player as he is a bloody good player, I think now is the time to cash in, no now is the only time we can cash in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggy nerd on August 24, 2015, 04:29:39 PM
After the final game against Arsenal, I don't think it will be long before the transfer request comes in. I have no faith that this agent will advise him in the right manner. The best thing would be for him to score goals here for a couple more years then get the big move, nobody could complain. Unfortunately I fear a big fuss all through the summer which we could do without.
Well it took longer than I expected but it was inevitable.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 24, 2015, 04:32:09 PM
You have to enter the field of play to be cup tied, I believe :)

Bring him on in the 90th minute just for the abuse and to cup tie him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on August 24, 2015, 04:36:25 PM
You'd think he'd give us a bit of respect and loyalty after everything we've done for him and his family.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 24, 2015, 04:36:57 PM
He obviously does not want to be here anymore so cash in on him. The fans will be on his back if he plays.
People expecting loyalty from him must realise that there is no loyalty anymore.


There's no loyalty anywhere any more, loyalty is a two way street. If Saido wasn't good enough or didn't fit in, he would have been moved on. Just look at Liam O'Neil this afternoon. The players know they are just commodities to be bought & sold.
It's just there's a protocol to follow & Saido's not followed it, he's either allowed himself to be manipulated or chosen to ignore constructive advice.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on August 24, 2015, 04:39:51 PM
You'd think he'd give us a bit of respect and loyalty after everything we've done for him and his family.

No such thing as loyalty anymore in football mate!. Wont be helped by his agent chirping in his ear 'You (we) will get a better deal at a bigger club son'.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Groovephil on August 24, 2015, 04:40:30 PM
I just want £20m for him and Townsend and Lennon  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on August 24, 2015, 04:41:40 PM
I wonder if JP is playing hard ball just to bump up the transfer fee. He's the master of shrewd deals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on August 24, 2015, 04:41:51 PM
I just want £20m for him and Townsend and Lennon  :D

Don't know why you'd want those pair, I would rate Mcmanaman and McLean above both.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 24, 2015, 04:42:39 PM
Don't know why you'd want those pair, I would rate Mcmanaman and McLean above both.

Me too, I prefer players that are looking upwards, rather than down. In terms of their careers. Townsend won't be too bad I guess, but Lennon no thanks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on August 24, 2015, 04:42:47 PM
im hoping now that we sell and move on quickly last thing we want is him here after transfer window is shut
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: nick_wba on August 24, 2015, 04:42:53 PM
Once a player hands in a transfer request, it's very rare for any good to come out of that situation before the player ends up leaving. Along with leaving him out yesterday, it's weakened our bargaining position, so we need to agree a deal asap, use the money on the targets we need it for and then get on with with trying to progress our season, bearing in mind that we're bottom of the league after 3 games.

For Berahino to hand in a transfer request is reprehensible really, given everything that the Club's done for him, but the damage is now done and he needs to go.

'Everything the club has done for him'?? What is that meant to mean? What have we actually done for him? Yeah we gave him a chance, simply because he was absolutely good enough to play in the first team. If anything I'm not sure what we've actually done for him apart from potentially hinder his career when he's asked for a move. He's not thrown his toys out the pram, he's not refused to play for us, he's not driven down to London in his Range Rover to force a move. I don't get this soppy 'there's no loyalty in football' sentiment. Yeah we gave him his chance, but so would any other team nationwide if he was on their books. It's his career, he wants to move, we'll get the market value for him, let him go. Best of luck Saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2015, 04:43:08 PM
talking about this on Talksport now, durham saying we dont play him and wont sell him not making sense

Half the time Durham doesn't make sense to be honest......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2015, 04:43:54 PM
Bring him on in the 90th minute just for the abuse and to cup tie him


He will most likey refuse to play but thats what i would do bring him on in the last minute
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 24, 2015, 04:46:48 PM
We've seen it too often before. In fairness from his point of view he'll be going to a club that will only enhance his England chances as they create more chances than we do, they have more chance of winning something and the extra wages always help when a career in this sport is so short.  He wont think he owes us anything after his goals helped keep us in the league the last two years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on August 24, 2015, 04:48:03 PM
'Everything the club has done for him'?? What is that meant to mean? What have we actually done for him? Yeah we gave him a chance, simply because he was absolutely good enough to play in the first team. If anything I'm not sure what we've actually done for him apart from potentially hinder his career when he's asked for a move. He's not thrown his toys out the pram, he's not refused to play for us, he's not driven down to London in his Range Rover to force a move. I don't get this soppy 'there's no loyalty in football' sentiment. Yeah we gave him his chance, but so would any other team nationwide if he was on their books. It's his career, he wants to move, we'll get the market value for him, let him go. Best of luck Saido

I think 'everything we have done for him' is more in reference to the amount of money/time we have spent on coaching him and looking after him since he was nine years old, not a small investment I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 24, 2015, 04:48:09 PM

He will most likey refuse to play but thats what i would do bring him on in the last minute

Would be good if he did refuse, at least we'll be able to fine him then like Brighton have reportedly done to one of their players and it will make him look the bad guy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2015, 04:50:06 PM
'Everything the club has done for him'?? What is that meant to mean? What have we actually done for him? Yeah we gave him a chance, simply because he was absolutely good enough to play in the first team. If anything I'm not sure what we've actually done for him apart from potentially hinder his career when he's asked for a move. He's not thrown his toys out the pram, he's not refused to play for us, he's not driven down to London in his Range Rover to force a move. I don't get this soppy 'there's no loyalty in football' sentiment. Yeah we gave him his chance, but so would any other team nationwide if he was on their books. It's his career, he wants to move, we'll get the market value for him, let him go. Best of luck Saido

Are you serious?

Signed him up when he was 11? Looked after him and his family [who had fled the civil war in Burundi] financially, and developed him to the standard he is today.......no, you're right, we haven't done much for him at all have we!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 24, 2015, 04:50:22 PM
Personally i am so disappointed in Saido.

This club changed his life, and he hasnt even got the respect to wait for his move.

He was always going to leave but all he has done is cost the club that has brought him on so much, potientially 4-5million off his price tag.

Thanks for nothing Mr.Berahino.

I dont blame him for wanting the move ... but a little respect please...

I wanted him to go on and achieve his dreams now im sat here hoping he goes for £25million flops and sits on the bench whilst N'Jie and Kane rule the forward line for the spuds.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 24, 2015, 04:50:33 PM
Do you honestly think money is not at the forefront of his mind?

He was developing quite nicely last season before 'little voices' started to put ideas in his head...... he gave it all away with that one interview he did.....

Money will be a big factor. Then again so will playing for a bigger and better side, moving to London, more chance of an England call up and playing in a side that doesn't hoof the ball up to you all the time. He's also got more chance of winning something and playing in Europe. The kid is ambitious so I can't see a problem. We need the money to plug the massive gaps we have in our squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on August 24, 2015, 04:52:14 PM
No issue with him going at all, would prefer he stayed but these things happen.

The club will do well out of it, would imagine in excess of £20m, looking at the way we play now, he wouldnt be played in his most effective position so makes sense to sell when the value is high.

From his point of view, it was reported last week he would have to hand in a transfer request to move as it meant he gave up his bonus, maybe thats why he did it.

I would imagine he will earn a lot more money but also go to a bigger club, with bigger ambitions who play good football and have a coach who is known for giving a younger players a chance, if he does well there he can get a move to a even bigger club.

Also apparently he was happy to play yesterday unlike other players we had in the past who handed in transfer requests (allegedly) As of yet he hasnt been a d**k like Odemwingie, so if he goes, good luck to him.

Whether we like it or not, football is business, if we didnt want him we would have no qualms about bombing him out or showing him loyalty (eg - Poconogli) its just the way it is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on August 24, 2015, 04:52:24 PM
If Berahino is only valued at £18m today by interested clubs then he'll surely be worth that in 12 months' time and we will,have had another season out of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: nick_wba on August 24, 2015, 04:53:03 PM
Are you serious?

Signed him up when he was 11? Looked after him and his family [who had fled the civil war in Burundi] financially, and developed him to the standard he is today.......no, you're right, we haven't done much for him at all have we!

We didn't do it out of charity, we did it because he had something we wanted, he could kick a ball and he could make us money. Yeah, I'm sure the Albion would have helped him and his family out if he came over with no skills or no athletic ability... 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on August 24, 2015, 04:54:35 PM
We didn't do it out of charity, we did it because he had something we wanted, he could kick a ball and he could make us money. Yeah, I'm sure the Albion would have helped him and his family out if he came over with no skills or no athletic ability...

He is only as good as he is now because of our scouts, coaches, academy set up and nurturing. If he had gone to another club who knows where he'd be now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 24, 2015, 04:55:13 PM
If Berahino is only valued at £18m today by interested clubs then he'll surely be worth that in 12 months' time and we will,have had another season out of him.

Not with only a year left on his contract in 12 months time he wont. Without a new contract being signed his value will only decrease after this window closes regardless of his form.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2015, 04:57:51 PM
If Berahino is only valued at £18m today by interested clubs then he'll surely be worth that in 12 months' time and we will,have had another season out of him.

Its probably academic now to be honest, not sure what the reaction would be if he took to the pitch again. For me he has crossed a line and has put himself in the same position as Odemwonga.....

I do hope he goes on to achieve great things, but he is not exactly going about it in the right way.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on August 24, 2015, 04:58:03 PM
Do you honestly think money is not at the forefront of his mind?

He was developing quite nicely last season before 'little voices' started to put ideas in his head...... he gave it all away with that one interview he did.....

He'll get paid more, play with better players, get more opportunities, and actually play in a style that suits him. Honestly, I struggle to see what you or anyone thinks we offer him that he wouldn't get better elsewhere.

I support the club and even I wouldn't want to stay if I were Berahino! Chance to become an international striker, scoring lots of goals, or play isolated alone up front or as a defensive winger having balls hoofed at you or having to chase it into the corner. There's only one style that will improve him there.

We get the same OTT reaction on here those very rare times we actually have a player good enough to actually play for much better teams than ours. No one on here would do anything different.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 24, 2015, 05:00:59 PM
He is only as good as he is now because of our scouts, coaches, academy set up and nurturing. If he had gone to another club who knows where he'd be now.

I'm only as good at what I do now due to the training and time spent on me at my first company. Did that bother me when I got the opportunity to move on and better myself and career. Not at all. I'm sure almost everyone else on this board could say the same. Why would a footballer think any differently?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FLETCH on August 24, 2015, 05:01:03 PM
get rid and get Charlie Austin... simple
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on August 24, 2015, 05:04:18 PM
I'm only as good at what I do now due to the training and time spent on me at my first company. Did that bother me when I got the opportunity to move on and better myself and career. Not at all. I'm sure almost everyone else on this board could say the same. Why would a footballer think any differently?

It's not really the same thing, you were certainly not more or less brought up by your first employers as Saido has been. I am not saying he shouldn't want to better himself, and if I was in his shoes I'd definitely want the move too. I personally would just show a bit a lot more respect to the club who have raised me and had such a major input in my ability.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2015, 05:04:55 PM
I agree with you Dan, but he is not yet a proven 20 goal a season player - he only scored 14 last year in the PL..... I refer to my previous posts, I really want him to do well and I can seriously see him as one of our main strikers at the next World Cup..... but his comments about bigger clubs and handing in transfer requests is a tad disrespectful in my book.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 24, 2015, 05:08:53 PM
I agree with you Dan, but he is not yet a proven 20 goal a season player - he only scored 14 last year in the PL..... I refer to my previous posts, I really want him to do well and I can seriously see him as one of our main strikers at the next World Cup..... but his comments about bigger clubs and handing in transfer requests is a tad disrespectful in my book.....

I don't think there is any doubt that he is far from the finished article yet and has plenty of room for development, if we are all honest he will probably develop further at a club who plays a more expansive game than we do providing he plays regularly. As for the comments he's made, this is a kid who will have several people in his ear chirping away and like most kids he'll be relatively easily led.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2015, 05:12:43 PM
We didn't do it out of charity, we did it because he had something we wanted, he could kick a ball and he could make us money. Yeah, I'm sure the Albion would have helped him and his family out if he came over with no skills or no athletic ability...

What an absurd comment. Of course we didn't do it out of charity, he was spotted at an early age and the club invested in him financially. Another club may have picked him up, or they may not have done and he could still be living in Newtown [no offence to Newtown]. You may know better but I am quite sure that when he was 11 years old the club were not seriously thinking 'we could make a few quid on this kid in 10 years time'.....

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 24, 2015, 05:22:55 PM
I got no quarms furthering he's career he's been brilliant for us best striker I have seen for us, I don't wish him luck but I understand he's ambition and business decision.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ukar1 on August 24, 2015, 05:26:48 PM
I got no quarms furthering he's career he's been brilliant for us best striker I have seen for us, I don't wish him luck but I understand he's ambition and business decision.
You can't have been watching Albion a long time then..!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on August 24, 2015, 05:27:33 PM
Apparently a deal £20mil deal has been agreed between Spurs and Palace for Bolasie. Anyone reckon that will have any effect/anything to do with the Saido deal?
if that's true they will go after phillips for about £9m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 24, 2015, 05:30:16 PM
Saido owes us nothing. It is a two way street if he hadn't made the grade he would not have been given a professional contract, all the players that he joined the academy with have been let go and that's a lot of broken dreams so I wouldn't expect a young player to get to dewy eyed about the club.

It is a pity that it couldn't have been handled better but such is life. The transfer request takes away the option of just toughing it out for this window and selling next year if he won't sign a contract. I hope that we don't just roll over to Spurs but I suspect a public burning of bridges is calculated to force the issue, I absolutely do not trust the player to roll up his sleeves and get on with it if the deal does not happen.

Sell at best and move on. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 24, 2015, 05:37:46 PM
Very disappointed in the lad...........the Loandon papers and Spuds have succeeded in unsettling him.

However, he goes nowhere until the vile Cockney upstarts come up with the market value of a young Premiership goalscoring ENGLISH striker.

How much would they ask for one-season wonder Kane ?  Well that's what they need to put up for Berahino.............
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: amathews3416 on August 24, 2015, 05:41:42 PM
In my opinion, Peace has always intended to sell SB this transfer window or in January.  All of this grandstanding on the official site with announcing the transfer request and bid rejections is for him to have SB and Spurs be the fall guys to the fans and not the chairman looking to cash in his prized asset.  Looks like it's working to a T, as it appears a lot of the fans want SB to f' right off now due to this. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 24, 2015, 05:42:17 PM
Personally i am so disappointed in Saido.

This club changed his life, and he hasnt even got the respect to wait for his move.

He was always going to leave but all he has done is cost the club that has brought him on so much, potientially 4-5million off his price tag.

Thanks for nothing Mr.Berahino.

I dont blame him for wanting the move ... but a little respect please...

I wanted him to go on and achieve his dreams now im sat here hoping he goes for £25million flops and sits on the bench whilst N'Jie and Kane rule the forward line for the spuds.

I doubt RESPECT is even in his vocabulary !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 24, 2015, 05:42:54 PM
Bye-rahino. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2015, 05:43:10 PM
Saido owes us nothing. It is a two way street if he hadn't made the grade he would not have been given a professional contract, all the players that he joined the academy with have been let go and that's a lot of broken dreams so I wouldn't expect a young player to get to dewy eyed about the club.

It is a pity that it couldn't have been handled better but such is life. The transfer request takes away the option of just toughing it out for this window and selling next year if he won't sign a contract. I hope that we don't just roll over to Spurs but I suspect a public burning of bridges is calculated to force the issue, I absolutely do not trust the player to roll up his sleeves and get on with it if the deal does not happen.

Sell at best and move on.

You make a good point Standaman, for every Saido there are a thousand broken dreams. I just think he could have handled himself better..... that comes with age I guess
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 24, 2015, 05:46:25 PM
'Everything the club has done for him'?? What is that meant to mean? What have we actually done for him? Yeah we gave him a chance, simply because he was absolutely good enough to play in the first team. If anything I'm not sure what we've actually done for him apart from potentially hinder his career when he's asked for a move. He's not thrown his toys out the pram, he's not refused to play for us, he's not driven down to London in his Range Rover to force a move. I don't get this soppy 'there's no loyalty in football' sentiment. Yeah we gave him his chance, but so would any other team nationwide if he was on their books. It's his career, he wants to move, we'll get the market value for him, let him go. Best of luck Saido

Are you for real ? The Club has done a lot for him and his family plus seen him through a catalogue of 'judgement errors' despite him dragging the name of our Club across the front of the tabloids.

Yes, Spuds are a bigger Club but they are not one of the BIG FIVE that will challenge for honours.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 24, 2015, 05:48:22 PM
I'll wait until it's made official that he has handed in a transfer request until I have my day on the matters.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on August 24, 2015, 05:49:41 PM
I'll wait until it's made official that he has handed in a transfer request until I have my day on the matters.

I said the same but it's official:

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-berahino-transfer-request-2643793.aspx
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ben_westbrom on August 24, 2015, 05:50:05 PM
I'll wait until it's made official that he has handed in a transfer request until I have my day on the matters.

On the official site mate:

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-berahino-transfer-request-2643793.aspx
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 24, 2015, 05:50:16 PM
Bye-rahino. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

As long as:


Don't underestimate that last one, we'll only realise what we had once he's gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 24, 2015, 05:52:24 PM
We've seen it too often before. In fairness from his point of view he'll be going to a club that will only enhance his England chances as they create more chances than we do, they have more chance of winning something and the extra wages always help when a career in this sport is so short.  He wont think he owes us anything after his goals helped keep us in the league the last two years.

So how do we replace those goals as we wave him off and wish him well ?   :-[
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 24, 2015, 05:54:37 PM
Shame it has to end this way! The club have nurtured him and gave him his big chance in the game. For me we need to get rid asap now. We don't need players who want to leave in the dressing room. I'd rather cash in while we still have the chance to get 20 million plus. Sell him now and reinvest the money straight back into the squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 24, 2015, 05:55:08 PM
He could have gone without any animosity but has now made it very difficult for himself.

If the offer isn't right then Peace will make an example of him and let him stew till the window reopens. It's obviously not beneficial for either party to do that but if Peace chooses to dig his heels in....



 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 24, 2015, 05:56:45 PM
Shame it has to end this way! The club have nurtured him and gave him his big chance in the game. For me we need to get rid asap now. We don't need players who want to leave in the dressing room. I'd rather cash in while we still have the chance to get 20 million plus. Sell him now and reinvest the money straight back into the squad.

We cannot afford to sell him cheap as we NEED TO REPLACE HIM - some don't seem to realise how many goals we will miss !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 24, 2015, 05:58:14 PM
As long as:

  • We get the market rate
  • The club spend the money and not just balance the books
  • We, somehow, bring a goal scorer in to replace the goals

Don't underestimate that last one, we'll only realise what we had once he's gone.

If Tottenham don't pay what he's worth, he's burnt his bridges. He better be begging them to up their bid to an acceptable level.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 24, 2015, 06:16:48 PM
We cannot afford to sell him cheap as well NEED TO REPLACE HIM - some don't seem to realise how many goes we will miss !

I didn't say we should sell him cheap.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wimbledon baggie on August 24, 2015, 06:22:50 PM
Spurs are the buying club so in a sense they hold more power in the negotiations with the window closing soon. They have guessed that JP is bluffing and that he wants to sell and reinvest the money before the window closes. With this move they have probably knocked £5m off the price. Would not be surprised if Saido gets a golden hello bonus of £2m for handing in his transfer request if the price gets reduced.

We should not wring our hands over this. Look at what happened to Southamptons players over the last 3 transfer windows. We should reinvest some of the money to pick up the best young academy talent in the Midlands and see if we can unearth more Saidos. It is the future for clubs our size.

How many senior goals has SB actually scored for us? 20-22? I hope he goes on to become a major player and gets sold for £50m and that JP had the sense to include a sell on clause!! We can then say at least we were part of his development.

Onwards
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on August 24, 2015, 06:23:59 PM
How many of Bershino's 14 goals last season were from the spot and how many of his goals from open play were in the Premier League?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mooncat on August 24, 2015, 06:32:55 PM
We already know that Charlie Austin is available for 15m so sell Saido for £22m+ and get him in ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on August 24, 2015, 06:49:16 PM
We already know that Charlie Austin is available for 15m so sell Saido for £22m+ and get him in ?

No, don't agree. I think we'd do better going after a creative midfielder who can score as well! Phillips or Antonio, or that Dutch lad (I've forgotten his name). Rondon will score goals for us.....given the right service.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on August 24, 2015, 06:51:00 PM
Bye bye Berahino. No sleep will be lost from me. Rate him on the pitch but off it he's exactly what I hate about modern footballers.

Compare his attitude to Charlie Austin. Bangs the goals in in the Premier League his club gets relegated but does he complain? Not a word and is playing in the Championship and still scoring goals with maximum effort. I know who I'd rather see in the Stripes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on August 24, 2015, 06:53:43 PM
You are crazy if you think we will get anywhere near the fee you are talking of.  This will end up in the 20-25 million range.  Player has rumored to be turning in transfer request and only has two years remaining on his contract.  We recoup as much as we can now or wait until the next TW or Summer and sell him for much less.

More goals then Benteke last season, younger and British. He went for £32m so it's not totally bonkers to ask for the price I suggested.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on August 24, 2015, 06:55:39 PM
Just get rid but take as much money of those spuds as possible. And watch his career go down the swanny not all about money son
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on August 24, 2015, 06:58:12 PM
I honestly could not give a flying f if he goes, I believe Rondon is a better player and £12-15m cheaper. tbf it looked as though he would play on the wing most of the season so another reason to get rid. Not a knee jerk reaction just a good deal for all involved!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 24, 2015, 06:59:26 PM
Just get rid but take as much money of those spuds as possible. And watch his career go down the swanny not all about money son

Why will that happen? There is a whole host of attractions money aside for wanting to join Spurs. Good luck to him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 24, 2015, 07:08:28 PM
Why will that happen? There is a whole host of attractions money aside for wanting to join Spurs. Good luck to him.

He will follow a long line of English footballers who will go on to achieve nothing in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 24, 2015, 07:11:46 PM
I don't begrudge him for wanting to move to another club but I don't like the way he hands in a transfer request. I would have thought he would have had a bit more respect about him than that but unfortunately I'm not surprised.

I don't like the way Spurs have acted throughout the summer so I would be reluctant to sell to them on principle - as soon as someone offers £25million then I would sell - hopefully with plenty of additional clauses too for goals and England appearances.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 24, 2015, 07:17:16 PM
He will follow a long line of English footballers who will go on to achieve nothing in my opinion.

He'll achieve nothing by staying here either IMO. When is the right time to move for him? He may have a poor season here and his stock will fall. He may as well get his move now whilst he is in demand.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albionden on August 24, 2015, 07:40:58 PM
Sell up and move on.  £18M-£20M is a lot of money for an ENGLISH striker who cant head a ball.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 24, 2015, 07:43:48 PM
Sell up and move on.  £18M-£20M is a lot of money for an ENGLISH striker who cant head a ball.

Hilarious comment. Although £35 million for Andy Carroll says you might be onto something  :o

I'm indifferent to Berahino as I was to Odemwingie regards off the pitch behaviour, as long as he scores goals then up to a point I don't care about his personality. I presume we'll get close to £30 million despite the transfer request anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on August 24, 2015, 07:46:21 PM
This deal could be a very good opportunity for us. If we in effect get anything near £25 million for him then just go and pay QPR £9-10 million for Phillips. That leaves us potentially with around £15 million that we could spend on Austin if Tone feels he needs another striker. Alternatively, that's £15 million to spend in other positions. Personally I like what I saw of Rondon yesterday and he's not even fully fit yet. Got a feeling he'll be a very good striker for us and it won't be long until the bigger clubs come calling for him!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on August 24, 2015, 07:56:00 PM
Of all the players in the last few years we thought were worth good money, how many have gone on to do better things?
Hughes Kamara and Koumas,  were sold at the right time before they had a bad spell and their worth fell. So do we take a chance on keeping an unhappy player with the hope he will still score the goals to give us a decent season and be able to sell him for even more or will he have a stinker of a season, bring unrest to the dressing room and be sold for a fraction of his present value next close season?
I would hold out till the weekend and take what we can get and spend the money strengthening the squad with creative midfielder the priority.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Payney_WBA on August 24, 2015, 07:57:25 PM
Honestly couldn't care less about selling Bera. Has had his moments but has never excited me in the same way that Odemwingie (for example) did.

I also think that if he did stay, we would be in danger of changing our system to accommodate him. This club has never been very good with one superstar. Against Chelsea was probably the most dangerous we have looked going forward in over a year.

Get as much as we can for him and move on. He is far, FAR from irreplaceable.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ukar1 on August 24, 2015, 07:59:00 PM
Honestly couldn't care less about selling Bera. Has had his moments but has never excited me in the same way that Odemwingie (for example) did.

I also think that if he did stay, we would be in danger of changing our system to accommodate him. This club has never been very good with one superstar. Against Chelsea was probably the most dangerous we have looked going forward in over a year.

Get as much as we can for him and move on. He is far, FAR from irreplaceable.

My thoughts entirely.. Well put.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2015, 08:04:11 PM
My thoughts entirely.. Well put.
plus 2,
14 goals, how many pens, if we get 22m, we have done well IMO, I think the big fish will soon become another "what happened to"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on August 24, 2015, 08:05:14 PM
Honestly couldn't care less about selling Bera. Has had his moments but has never excited me in the same way that Odemwingie (for example) did.

I also think that if he did stay, we would be in danger of changing our system to accommodate him. This club has never been very good with one superstar. Against Chelsea was probably the most dangerous we have looked going forward in over a year.

Get as much as we can for him and move on. He is far, FAR from irreplaceable.
agree with this fully using the saido money could help us move on and get the players we need aslong as we carry on playing the formation we did against chelsea as it suits the players we have
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 24, 2015, 08:24:10 PM
Of all the players in the last few years we thought were worth good money, how many have gone on to do better things?
Hughes Kamara and Koumas,  were sold at the right time before they had a bad spell and their worth fell. So do we take a chance on keeping an unhappy player with the hope he will still score the goals to give us a decent season and be able to sell him for even more or will he have a stinker of a season, bring unrest to the dressing room and be sold for a fraction of his present value next close season?
I would hold out till the weekend and take what we can get and spend the money strengthening the squad with creative midfielder the priority.

Surely GOALS would then be the priority?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albionden on August 24, 2015, 08:24:46 PM
Hilarious comment. Although £35 million for Andy Carroll says you might be onto something  :o

I'm indifferent to Berahino as I was to Odemwingie regards off the pitch behaviour, as long as he scores goals then up to a point I don't care about his personality. I presume we'll get close to £30 million despite the transfer request anyway.


I'd love us to get £30M but unless any of the "other 15 clubs" who are supposed to be interested  put an offer in, we'll be stuck with a take or leave it from Spurs .......... Ideally MANU bid big money and CHELSKI try to rub their noses in it again
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Astle1968 on August 24, 2015, 08:25:59 PM
Have to say I find some of the comments incredible and more than a little cringe worthy.

Berahino owes us absolutely nothing. If anything its the club/fans that owe him for practically keeping us up last season after the mess we made of the pitch.

If we had decided to randomly take pity on him and his mother as a young kid who had never played football before, homed him, schooled him and educated him and then by some miracle last year he turned in to a decent footballer who decided to leave as soon as he could play the game I could understand. As it is we paid him do be good at football, and he was a lot better at football than the money we paid him.

Since being at the club he has cost us around £2m (?) in wages and saved us from relegation which earned us over £100m. He will also bring in another £25m now which will pay for the academy which produced him to run for 8 years. So what exactly does he owe us?

On a side note Liam O'Neill has come through a similar route to Berahino, would no doubt dearly love to stay at the club and be around the first team squad. After spending a year out with a serious knee injury he comes back to full fitness and we sell him to Chesterfield as soon as he can run again. Where is our 'loyalty' to this player. Theres about 10 comments on this forum about him leaving, because nobody is really bothered because he isn't good enough.

Yes of course Berahino has been a prat at times and naive at others. The only thing he has done that was seriously wrong was the drink driving which is completely inexcusable. The other things don't really endear him to fans but are not that bad in the scheme of things.

I'd rather him stay although I think Rondon has to play and Berahino doesn't really fit in a 451 system unless you marginalise him like we did with Odemwingie.

Good luck to the guy, I hope he does well for Spurs and more importantly England as it would be great to see a West Brom product scoring in a world cup or notching 30 league goals. I hope he grows up a little but it's easy to forget he's a young man, he wont be the first person in or out of football to mature and grow in a decent adult and I hope he does.

Some people on here need to get a grip. Unless your under the age of 15 you shouldn't really be getting angry at a guy for wanting to further himself at a bigger club. Does anyone here think Phillips should stay at QPR and help them back up? Should Marshall stay at Cardiff? Should Dorrans have stayed at Livingstone? We would expect all those players to leave and join us to play at a better level an Berahino to Spurs is no different.

He's never had the same level of hero status as someone like Big Dave and I wont be cheering or applauding when Spurs come to play us, but I certainly wont be booing either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 24, 2015, 08:26:23 PM
Sell up and move on.  £18M-£20M is a lot of money for an ENGLISH striker who cant head a ball.

Dear me, why would you want to give away our only really saleable asset?
That's not a lot of money in the current climate and how much do you think we will have to pay out to replace those goals?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 24, 2015, 08:27:21 PM
plus 2,
14 goals, how many pens, if we get 22m, we have done well IMO, I think the big fish will soon become another "what happened to"

If we get 22m we will have not done well at all, as he is worth around the 30m mark on todays market.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 24, 2015, 08:31:04 PM
No, don't agree. I think we'd do better going after a creative midfielder who can score as well! Phillips or Antonio, or that Dutch lad (I've forgotten his name). Rondon will score goals for us.....given the right service.

Rondon looks good but we have yet to see if he can score goals at this level.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2015, 08:31:43 PM
22m / 30m ??? He is worth what we can get, whatever this turns out to be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 24, 2015, 08:34:18 PM
Have to say I find some of the comments incredible and more than a little cringe worthy.

Berahino owes us absolutely nothing. If anything its the club/fans that owe him for practically keeping us up last season after the mess we made of the pitch.

If we had decided to randomly take pity on him and his mother as a young kid who had never played football before, homed him, schooled him and educated him and then by some miracle last year he turned in to a decent footballer who decided to leave as soon as he could play the game I could understand. As it is we paid him do be good at football, and he was a lot better at football than the money we paid him.

Since being at the club he has cost us around £2m (?) in wages and saved us from relegation which earned us over £100m. He will also bring in another £25m now which will pay for the academy which produced him to run for 8 years. So what exactly does he owe us?

On a side note Liam O'Neill has come through a similar route to Berahino, would no doubt dearly love to stay at the club and be around the first team squad. After spending a year out with a serious knee injury he comes back to full fitness and we sell him to Chesterfield as soon as he can run again. Where is our 'loyalty' to this player. Theres about 10 comments on this forum about him leaving, because nobody is really bothered because he isn't good enough.

Yes of course Berahino has been a prat at times and naive at others. The only thing he has done that was seriously wrong was the drink driving which is completely inexcusable. The other things don't really endear him to fans but are not that bad in the scheme of things.

I'd rather him stay although I think Rondon has to play and Berahino doesn't really fit in a 451 system unless you marginalise him like we did with Odemwingie.

Good luck to the guy, I hope he does well for Spurs and more importantly England as it would be great to see a West Brom product scoring in a world cup or notching 30 league goals. I hope he grows up a little but it's easy to forget he's a young man, he wont be the first person in or out of football to mature and grow in a decent adult and I hope he does.

Some people on here need to get a grip. Unless your under the age of 15 you shouldn't really be getting angry at a guy for wanting to further himself at a bigger club. Does anyone here think Phillips should stay at QPR and help them back up? Should Marshall stay at Cardiff? Should Dorrans have stayed at Livingstone? We would expect all those players to leave and join us to play at a better level an Berahino to Spurs is no different.

He's never had the same level of hero status as someone like Big Dave and I wont be cheering or applauding when Spurs come to play us, but I certainly wont be booing either.

A very good and level headed post indeed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on August 24, 2015, 08:37:10 PM
If we get 22m we will have not done well at all, as he is worth around the 30m mark on todays market.

He's not worth anywhere near £30mil not when you can get players twice as good for half the money anywhere elsewhere on the planet.

I do agree though that because of the stupid prices that other young English footballers are going for it seems the going rate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: throstle on August 24, 2015, 08:40:25 PM
We should play him tomorrow and get him cup tied.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 24, 2015, 08:44:16 PM
He's not worth anywhere near £30mil not when you can get players twice as good for half the money anywhere elsewhere on the planet.

I do agree though that because of the stupid prices that other young English footballers are going for it seems the going rate.

No football player is worth their valuation, but it is what it is. In todays climate if we sell him for anything less than 30m, I think we have sold ourselves short.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 24, 2015, 08:44:49 PM
He's not worth anywhere near £30mil not when you can get players twice as good for half the money anywhere elsewhere on the planet.

I do agree though that because of the stupid prices that other young English footballers are going for it seems the going rate.

You answered your own post there.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on August 24, 2015, 08:48:47 PM
There is no way that we could accommodate Rondon, Lambert and Berahino in the same side and all of them would expect to play on a regular basis.

It was inevitable that he would leave us sooner rather than later, he virtually said as much on a couple of occasions last season.

Shame he felt the need to hand in a transfer request but at least he hasn't driven down to London and parked up in the White Hart Lane car park...yet!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on August 24, 2015, 08:52:37 PM
I wouldn't bother getting another striker I would go for a top class playmaker and watch Rondon bang in the goals, that's where I feel should be our top priority, if we could re invest 25M on the positions we require we will be a strong force, stronger than with berahino IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 24, 2015, 09:11:38 PM
I see the club have rejected his transfer request.
Welcome to JP's world Mr Levy and Saido  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on August 24, 2015, 09:14:07 PM
Bye Saido wish you all the best i will check if you score everyweek just dont do it to us.Rondon time we will be fine.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 24, 2015, 09:15:52 PM
We need to sell for the right price £25M seems fair. In my opinion we will never get anywhere near £30M for him. Unfortunately I think he will end up at Spurs. I think he will do well there.

I honestly thought he'd get his head down and prove himself in this league with us for another season and then move on.

I don't wish him any ill but I won't cheer his name either.

And for those asking he scored 4 pens for us last season. Sunderland, Palace, Liverpool and Chelsea. I'm not sure why it make a difference that some of his goals were pens ...they don't appear to be that easy to score for some of our players!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 24, 2015, 09:18:11 PM
Time to let him go.
Get the right price and get Phillips or Antonio in plus a decent centre back
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on August 24, 2015, 09:20:52 PM
The transfer request and the loyalty bonus. 2 of the strangest things in football.

There are many things I don't understand about modern football, but these are two of the hardest to understand. Both are mutually damaging to player and club.

Berahino has no doubt handed in a transfer request, as this way he waives his loyalty bonus will be lost and it makes it easier for a club to excuse him leaving. I would not be surprised if the cub have actually told him that he has to hand in a transfer request if he wants the make his move easier, so that they don't have to pay the "loyalty bonus" that many clubs pay.

But how does a transfer request help Berahino? He has now gone "all in", as if he does not get his move, he could end up finding himself on the fringes of the squad, at odds with the fans and still stuck at the club like Odemwingie. It would have made more sense for him to have said just in private that he wants the offer to be accepted, as we have proved in the past with players like Odemwingie that we are not scared of keeping a player if we do not get the offer we want. It is principle.

Then I have to question the club. Why do we have a loyalty bonus? What is the point? Have we told Berahino he has to make a transfer request to forgo his loyalty bonus as happens elsewhere? What benefit is there in revealing on the official website that he has handed in a transfer request? Surely we have just made our position very difficult as Tottenham now know that we will have to sell. It almost makes me believe what some broadsheet journalists have said in recent weeks. Apparently we have been open to an offer for Berahino for the last 6 months, maybe hinting the club felt he was over rated and not worth the hassle.

It just shows how confusing, full of shady double dealings and detached from what the fans want it to be that modern football now is.

A depressing situation all round.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on August 24, 2015, 09:30:23 PM
I do want to add one thing though. I've seen a few posts on the forum on the different Saido threads with some people raising fair counter points that Saido has no reason to be "loyal" to us, as we would have got rid of him had he not made the grade and we are hardy being charitable in paying for him to play for us now.

What I disagree with however, is that meaning fans should feel he is right to hand in a transfer request. We as a set of fans owe Berahino nothing. Hardly any player is owed anything by any set of fans. Maybe Totti at Roma, Bull at Wolves and the likes of Brown at Albion in years gone by. Most of the time however, both player and club are looking after themselves and only themselves. They will jump at a better offer, be that a better salary or a better player if he comes along.

So if Berahino is now getting stick for handing in a transfer request at the age of 21 by the fans who pay his wages, tough s***. We are the only people who lose here. I could not give two s**** about the player really or the realities of football. Football is passionate, and that's why so many mugs will pay 40-50 quid for a ticket, 100 quid for a home and away shirt and 120 quid a month for a sky and BT subscription.

You get criticism? Suck it up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on August 24, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
we should have bought his mom a house in Solihull he would have never have left.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 24, 2015, 09:48:45 PM
The transfer request and the loyalty bonus. 2 of the strangest things in football.

There are many things I don't understand about modern football, but these are two of the hardest to understand. Both are mutually damaging to player and club.

Berahino has no doubt handed in a transfer request, as this way he waives his loyalty bonus will be lost and it makes it easier for a club to excuse him leaving. I would not be surprised if the cub have actually told him that he has to hand in a transfer request if he wants the make his move easier, so that they don't have to pay the "loyalty bonus" that many clubs pay.

But how does a transfer request help Berahino? He has now gone "all in", as if he does not get his move, he could end up finding himself on the fringes of the squad, at odds with the fans and still stuck at the club like Odemwingie. It would have made more sense for him to have said just in private that he wants the offer to be accepted, as we have proved in the past with players like Odemwingie that we are not scared of keeping a player if we do not get the offer we want. It is principle.

Then I have to question the club. Why do we have a loyalty bonus? What is the point? Have we told Berahino he has to make a transfer request to forgo his loyalty bonus as happens elsewhere? What benefit is there in revealing on the official website that he has handed in a transfer request? Surely we have just made our position very difficult as Tottenham now know that we will have to sell. It almost makes me believe what some broadsheet journalists have said in recent weeks. Apparently we have been open to an offer for Berahino for the last 6 months, maybe hinting the club felt he was over rated and not worth the hassle.

It just shows how confusing, full of shady double dealings and detached from what the fans want it to be that modern football now is.

A depressing situation all round.

The practice stems from the days when footballers wages were measured in thousands per year rather than thousands a week and there was no such thing as freedom of contract. If a player did not request a transfer he was given 5% of the fee to compensate for the disruption to his life. However if a player handed in a transfer request he automatically lost the 5%.

The practice persists today which is plain crazy when players earn vast quantities of money and are much more in control of the own careers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 24, 2015, 09:54:32 PM
Does the fact that we've turned down a transfer request alter anything?

If we had accepted the request we would still be in the position where someone has to make an acceptable offer.

Someones obviously advising Berahino but I don't get the purpose of it myself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 24, 2015, 10:12:43 PM
We can't control the buyers' market and what they offer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on August 24, 2015, 10:18:31 PM
Does the fact that we've turned down a transfer request alter anything?

If we had accepted the request we would still be in the position where someone has to make an acceptable offer.

Someones obviously advising Berahino but I don't get the purpose of it myself.
Agreed - I don't think it changes anything other than probably making him less popular with supporters if he does stay. As you say, we'll only sell him if we get a good offer regardless of whether he's asked for a transfer or not and regardless of whether we accept the transfer request or not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 24, 2015, 10:29:25 PM
All the transfer request does is say 'come and get me'. Won't lower his price, won't make us sell him any cheaper, burns some bridges with fans and players alike. Until whoever offers us what we want (and that's by no means an unreasonable figure) he's going nowhere. Silly bugger's fate lies in the hands of Tottenham offering us what we want. If they don't he better be happy rotting.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on August 24, 2015, 10:34:56 PM
Honestly couldn't care less about selling Bera. Has had his moments but has never excited me in the same way that Odemwingie (for example) did.

I also think that if he did stay, we would be in danger of changing our system to accommodate him. This club has never been very good with one superstar. Against Chelsea was probably the most dangerous we have looked going forward in over a year.

Get as much as we can for him and move on. He is far, FAR from irreplaceable.
It's also the first time we've played with two genuine wingers for God knows how long.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 24, 2015, 10:42:43 PM
If he doesn't go, he will be a mill stone around our necks.
He wants away, so let him go and move on.
Forget the money. He is worth more just to stop the upset around him.
Sell him to a National league side.
Let him know that he is just a football player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 24, 2015, 10:44:37 PM
Or just let him rot in the stiffs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on August 24, 2015, 10:52:28 PM
Or just let him rot in the stiffs.
That solution doesn't help any party at all, most of all the Albion...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on August 24, 2015, 11:01:45 PM
He's not worth anywhere near £30mil not when you can get players twice as good for half the money anywhere elsewhere on the planet.

I do agree though that because of the stupid prices that other young English footballers are going for it seems the going rate.

Unless their team is in financial trouble I'd expect a La Liga or Bundesliga striker who scored 14 goals last season in a struggling team would cost a healthy amount. Not many people Berahino's age knocking in goals in the top leagues at all. Even fewer who are actually more prolific than him.

Spurs paid 10m for N'Jie who's the same age and has 7 goals in 37 games in France for example.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 24, 2015, 11:03:59 PM
Or just let him rot in the stiffs.

why?  A transfer request is just a public acceptance he wants to move. We value him more than 18 million and a club has not met that valuation, i would be very suprised if Spurs are the only club to make an approach. JP knows he will get more in  the winter window regardless of the transfer request or sale this week.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 25, 2015, 06:19:21 AM
The transfer request and the loyalty bonus. 2 of the strangest things in football.

There are many things I don't understand about modern football, but these are two of the hardest to understand. Both are mutually damaging to player and club.

Berahino has no doubt handed in a transfer request, as this way he waives his loyalty bonus will be lost and it makes it easier for a club to excuse him leaving. I would not be surprised if the cub have actually told him that he has to hand in a transfer request if he wants the make his move easier, so that they don't have to pay the "loyalty bonus" that many clubs pay.

But how does a transfer request help Berahino? He has now gone "all in", as if he does not get his move, he could end up finding himself on the fringes of the squad, at odds with the fans and still stuck at the club like Odemwingie. It would have made more sense for him to have said just in private that he wants the offer to be accepted, as we have proved in the past with players like Odemwingie that we are not scared of keeping a player if we do not get the offer we want. It is principle.

Then I have to question the club. Why do we have a loyalty bonus? What is the point? Have we told Berahino he has to make a transfer request to forgo his loyalty bonus as happens elsewhere? What benefit is there in revealing on the official website that he has handed in a transfer request? Surely we have just made our position very difficult as Tottenham now know that we will have to sell. It almost makes me believe what some broadsheet journalists have said in recent weeks. Apparently we have been open to an offer for Berahino for the last 6 months, maybe hinting the club felt he was over rated and not worth the hassle.

It just shows how confusing, full of shady double dealings and detached from what the fans want it to be that modern football now is.

A depressing situation all round.

So lets get this right!
You think the club tell him to put in a transfer request?
But the club have turned his transfer request down.
As a conspiracy theory it does seem to fall down at the first examination  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darby009 on August 25, 2015, 07:34:04 AM
why?  A transfer request is just a public acceptance he wants to move. We value him more than 18 million and a club has not met that valuation, i would be very suprised if Spurs are the only club to make an approach. JP knows he will get more in  the winter window regardless of the transfer request or sale this week.

I am not usually ITK and don't care if anyone believes me or not but I have it on Very good authority that Manchester United are in for him and have been talking to the club.

just thought I would share this, but at least having another potential suitor could help push the price us and maybe help bring in jonny evans
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2015, 07:55:20 AM
I am not usually ITK and don't care if anyone believes me or not but I have it on Very good authority that Manchester United are in for him and have been talking to the club.

just thought I would share this, but at least having another potential suitor could help push the price us and maybe help bring in jonny evans


i am also hearing the same, fingers crossed its not spuds
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 25, 2015, 08:20:02 AM
I am not usually ITK and don't care if anyone believes me or not but I have it on Very good authority that Manchester United are in for him and have been talking to the club.

just thought I would share this, but at least having another potential suitor could help push the price us and maybe help bring in jonny evans

ITK  ;D Half the country already know this its been banded about in the papers since Yesterday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 25, 2015, 08:35:29 AM
If he doesn't go, he will be a mill stone around our necks.
He wants away, so let him go and move on.
Forget the money. He is worth more just to stop the upset around him.
Sell him to a National league side.
Let him know that he is just a football player.

I would imagine JP has made his statement to give him & TP an opportunity to have a "man to man" with Saido, if they can't convince him that his immediate future lies with us, he will be allowed to leave. IMO TP has put it on the "back burner" until after tonight's game. It's just inconceivable that the FC would lose the opportunity to make between £18 & 25 million on the sale.
Saido's action, in handing in a transfer request, has put the ball firmly into the FC's court.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darby009 on August 25, 2015, 09:29:53 AM
ITK  ;D Half the country already know this its been banded about in the papers since Yesterday.

If you notice I am not claiming to be ITK (but hey don't let that stop you being sarcastic eh). Also if you wish to go back through my posts you will see that I also mentioned this some time ago well before it hit the press ... But hey who cares about facts
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on August 25, 2015, 09:49:25 AM
ITK  ;D Half the country already know this its been banded about in the papers since Yesterday.

But of course, even though it may be likely we still don't know that it is true do we?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2015, 09:54:36 AM
If you notice I am not claiming to be ITK (but hey don't let that stop you being sarcastic eh). Also if you wish to go back through my posts you will see that I also mentioned this some time ago well before it hit the press ... But hey who cares about facts

I think your point is that Man ure have been talking to the club, as opposed to the general speculation fueled by the media to sell their rags that 'Man U are interested', along with a lot of other clubs probably.

To date we only know that Spuds have been in contact.

If true, then it has got a deal with Jonny Evans written all over it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2015, 11:06:05 AM
Tottenham are desperate for a striker on the back of all their calls to talksport last night. 30 million please.
They never get it right in the transfer market do they
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2015, 11:15:03 AM
I heard a bit of that last night. I thought Collymore had a good point regarding Daniel Levy and how rubbish he is at transfers. I cannot remember all of them now but the players they have bought recently that they have subsequently let go for half the price is scandalous to be honest. Paulinho and Soldado are two for starters.... He spent the Bale money like a kid in a sweetshop!

Regardless of you view on Saido, he really shouldn't go to Spuds...... the place is a graveyard for talent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ukar1 on August 25, 2015, 11:16:04 AM
Talksport. Lol !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2015, 11:23:01 AM
Also enjoyed listening to Durham being all nicey nicey with Jamie Carragher like they were bessie mates. It wasn't so long ago that Durham suggested Carragher was a 'bottler' and Jamie phoned up and offered him out live on air...and he wasn't joking!!!!!

Anyone else remember that?

Keeping on the subject - Saido for Man U all day for me... but to be honest he would be best suited to Arsenal and I wish they would go for him because that would be perfect for him..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 25, 2015, 11:27:34 AM


Keeping on the subject - Saido for Man U all day for me... but to be honest he would be best suited to Arsenal and I wish they would go for him because that would be perfect for him..

Watched Arsenal last night, just dont think Saido is quick thinking enough for them, but I think ManU would be a better fit for him than THFC.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 25, 2015, 11:39:51 AM
I heard a bit of that last night. I thought Collymore had a good point regarding Daniel Levy and how rubbish he is at transfers. I cannot remember all of them now but the players they have bought recently that they have subsequently let go for half the price is scandalous to be honest. Paulinho and Soldado are two for starters.... He spent the Bale money like a kid in a sweetshop!

Regardless of you view on Saido, he really shouldn't go to Spuds...... the place is a graveyard for talent.

Lamela's deal was worth £30m.  Benchmark set.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2015, 12:06:33 PM
Talksport. Lol !


no better for me
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 25, 2015, 03:09:28 PM
Rejected a 22m bid just
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on August 25, 2015, 03:10:21 PM
Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star

Albion reject a second bid from Tottenham for Saido Berahino.

Checking out the value of Spurs' second bid, but it has been rejected straight away by Albion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elminius on August 25, 2015, 03:12:46 PM
Telegraph reporting it as 22m. No surprise this comes after Saidos transfer request and thus his 3m loss of his bonus payment = 25m !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 25, 2015, 03:13:23 PM
Spurs are messing about and one of the bigger clubs will offer what we want with no drama.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on August 25, 2015, 03:14:57 PM
Spurs are messing about and one of the bigger clubs will offer what we want with no drama.

Hope so! would love to see Spurs fail to sign him trying to do so on the cheap.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 25, 2015, 03:15:22 PM
Clock ticking i do hope he dosen't go to Spurs they have handled this really badly using the press to try and get a player on the cheap.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on August 25, 2015, 03:15:48 PM
Spurs are messing about and one of the bigger clubs will offer what we want with no drama.

I hope so. We wont turn down 25 million. Man utd will pay that no problem.

We dont know what clubs are in for him but when he goes i hope its united.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on August 25, 2015, 03:18:37 PM
Spur will have no choice but pay 25m for him on deadline day.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2015, 03:21:23 PM
Hope so! would love to see Spurs fail to sign him trying to do so on the cheap.

Like we do with all of our transfers? The boot is on the other foot now. It seems OK for us to offer £5m for Phillips when QPR want £10m. Spurs are hardly going to go straight in with a £25m bid are they?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 25, 2015, 03:26:28 PM
Even a official club statement..

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-berahino-tottenham-hotspur-2646148.aspx

West Bromwich Albion can today confirm the Club have rejected a second offer from Tottenham Hotspur for Saido Berahino.

Albion Chairman Jeremy Peace said: "Our position remains unchanged. The sale of this player is not on our agenda."

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 25, 2015, 03:27:30 PM
NOT ON OUR AGENDA !!

Now perhaps the doubters will see the light. Another cracker of a statement from JP. That'll do for me
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 25, 2015, 03:31:13 PM
Like we do with all of our transfers? The boot is on the other foot now. It seems OK for us to offer £5m for Phillips when QPR want £10m. Spurs are hardly going to go straight in with a £25m bid are they?
Good point - plenty of our fans regard other clubs as being unreasonable for doing this, but think that it's marvellous when we do it!

Peace has said: "the sale of this player is not on our agenda", but he's digging a bit of a hole for himself saying that when we eventually do sell him. The scenario of Berahino not being sold during this transfer window and then disruptively sulking his way through to the next one doesn't bear thinking about really after what happened with Odemwingie.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba1993dave on August 25, 2015, 03:32:14 PM
He will go, no doubt about it. JP is just trying to start a bidding war. The big boys will get desperate as Tuesday approaches. I would hold out for 30m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 25, 2015, 03:32:45 PM
Now perhaps the doubters will see the light. Another cracker of a statement from JP. That'll do for me
What doubters? Do you really think Berahino will just shrug his shoulders and say "OK then I'm fully motivated and raring to go for Albion" any time soon, if ever again?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 25, 2015, 03:33:53 PM
The big boys will get desperate as Tuesday approaches.
The big boys who have the wherewithal to sign almost anyone they want you mean? Why will they become desperate?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2015, 03:34:44 PM
Not on our agenda until they receive the right offer more like.....

If he is not going to be sold then he could have a run out tonight couldn't he?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SirTonyM on August 25, 2015, 03:35:19 PM
While i have not been JP's biggest fan, watching the meltdown from spurs fans over this rejected bid is worth it :) We need to sell him as he doesn't want to stay but we know Spurs want him and have the money so why not get more.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on August 25, 2015, 03:38:07 PM
I hope so. We wont turn down 25 million. Man utd will pay that no problem.

We dont know what clubs are in for him but when he goes i hope its united.
wheres all this man utd are after him...nothing reported anyway only hearsay
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 25, 2015, 03:38:43 PM
If he is not going to be sold then he could have a run out tonight couldn't he?
Do you imagine that he'll want to play tonight?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba1993dave on August 25, 2015, 03:39:11 PM
The big boys who have the wherewithal to sign almost anyone they want you mean? Why will they become desperate?

Just look at Man United and Arsenal, short on strikers need more home grown players perhaps. And if they both lose this weekend it may lure them into bidding for Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 25, 2015, 03:39:21 PM
The big boys who have the wherewithal to sign almost anyone they want you mean? Why will they become desperate?
Why will we?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on August 25, 2015, 03:42:03 PM
Won't bother again
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2015, 03:42:27 PM
He will go, no doubt about it. JP is just trying to start a bidding war. The big boys will get desperate as Tuesday approaches. I would hold out for 30m.

We'll be even more desperate when we have no time left to reinvest the money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba1993dave on August 25, 2015, 03:44:13 PM
We'll be even more desperate when we have no time left to reinvest the money.
True, get ready for Carlton Cole to replace Saido on deadline day. :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 25, 2015, 03:44:42 PM
We'll be even more desperate when we have no time left to reinvest the money.
Exactly right. We've got previous for this of course (c.f. Earnshaw)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2015, 03:44:56 PM
Do you imagine that he'll want to play tonight?

He probably won't but he is an employee of the club and if he really isn't going to be sold and JP is telling the truth then he should be given a run out, regardless of how he feels.

I don't fancy coming to work on a regular basis, but I do and I don't have a choice in the matter...... 

But we all know he's off anyway so its academic.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 25, 2015, 03:45:32 PM
Just look at Man United and Arsenal, short on strikers need more home grown players perhaps. And if they both lose this weekend it may lure them into bidding for Saido.
You think those clubs are basing their transfer strategies on whether or not they lose on Saturday?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 25, 2015, 03:46:06 PM
We'll be even more desperate when we have no time left to reinvest the money.
If that was the case then i think Peace would have accepted 22million, Spurs will meet the asking price but probably on deadline day so i assume any deals we are in for are either separate from a deal for Saido or Peace is gambling which i doubt.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2015, 03:46:23 PM
Good point - plenty of our fans regard other clubs as being unreasonable for doing this, but think that it's marvellous when we do it!

Peace has said: "the sale of this player is not on our agenda", but he's digging a bit of a hole for himself saying that when we eventually do sell him. The scenario of Berahino not being sold during this transfer window and then disruptively sulking his way through to the next one doesn't bear thinking about really after what happened with Odemwingie.

I agree. I don't see why we have to release such statements. JP will look a bit of a t*t when Spurs or whoever do put in an offer acceptable to us and we accept. He has to go now either way. If not we'll have a sulking player who will be no use and whose value will decrease.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on August 25, 2015, 03:47:19 PM
This is a difficult one because time is running out in this window. Do we continue to play hard ball waiting for the right money and therefore give ourselves little time to re-invest, or do we give in early costing ourselves £3-5m, maybe more, but give ourselves more time in the window to spend some money?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 25, 2015, 03:48:38 PM
I agree. I don't see why we have to release such statements. JP will look a bit of a t*t when Spurs or whoever do put in an offer acceptable to us and we accept. He has to go now either way. If not we'll have a sulking player who will be no use and whose value will decrease.
Just saying "West Bromwich Albion can today confirm the Club have rejected a second offer from Tottenham Hotspur for Saido Berahino" would have been sufficient in the circumstances.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 25, 2015, 03:48:49 PM
Like we do with all of our transfers? The boot is on the other foot now. It seems OK for us to offer £5m for Phillips when QPR want £10m. Spurs are hardly going to go straight in with a £25m bid are they?

But we don't work behind the scenes for weeks on end to unsettle players we are interested in, like Tottenham have done. Phillips, for example, is not worth £10 million so our position here is just normal business sense. Saido is worth far more than £20-22 million based on his age, record, previous similar trades etc.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 25, 2015, 03:50:26 PM
But we don't work behind the scenes for weeks on end to unsettle players we are interested in, like Tottenham have done.
We've been being linked with Phillips, Marshall etc for weeks, how's that any different to what Spurs have done?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2015, 03:50:41 PM
If that was the case then i think Peace would have accepted 22million, Spurs will meet the asking price but probably on deadline day so i assume any deals we are in for are either separate from a deal for Saido or Peace is gambling which i doubt.

I think Peace will be happy with this. He will see a Berahino sale as a way to balance the books IMO. I can't see us gambling money we haven't got in the hope that we move him on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba1993dave on August 25, 2015, 03:53:15 PM
You think those clubs are basing their transfer strategies on whether or not they lose on Saturday?

It does happen, we lost to Swansea under Clarke. Next day (Deadline Day) bought Anichebe for 6 million and Sess for 6 million. Not just us either, Arsenal lost 8-2 to United few days later they spent a bit on deadline day. Bad results before deadline day does seem to make managers/chairmans panic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 25, 2015, 03:54:23 PM
I agree. I don't see why we have to release such statements. JP will look a bit of a t*t when Spurs or whoever do put in an offer acceptable to us and we accept. He has to go now either way. If not we'll have a sulking player who will be no use and whose value will decrease.

True!

Until Saido puts in a second transfer request then...............

"reappraise our position............."
"best interests of the Football Club to sell Saido"

All sorts of spin to get round it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 25, 2015, 03:54:39 PM
We've been being linked with Phillips, Marshall etc for weeks, how's that any different to what Spurs have done?

Spurs have leaked all these little stories about their interest (and low offers) and obviously contacted Saido behind the clubs back, when the club hasn't AFAIK even put an official price on his transfer or even expressed an interest in selling. From what I can see we haven't spoken to Phillips people to unsettle him but have been upfront in our dealings with QPR.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2015, 03:55:19 PM
I am actually quite convinced that all the plans are in place already.

Once SB is sold, then we release the cash to QPR for Phillips and Austin. QPR know this and are just waiting - its just a matter of Spuds actually stumping up, but they will. I am quite sure TP is cute enough to get his targets sorted so that there is no last minute rush....... I am not seeing too many other clubs linked to these two.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2015, 03:56:12 PM
But we don't work behind the scenes for weeks on end to unsettle players we are interested in, like Tottenham have done. Phillips, for example, is not worth £10 million so our position here is just normal business sense. Saido is worth far more than £20-22 million based on his age, record, previous similar trades etc.

I doubt the unsettling is all down to Spurs. There will be Berahino himself, agents, other players etc giving talking to the press in a way of engineering a move whether we agree with it or not. It happens all the time. Don't forget we've made bids for Phillips, Antonio and Marshall and been linked with them almost every day in the press. How is that any different to what Spurs have allegedly done?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: amathews3416 on August 25, 2015, 03:56:31 PM
At this point, it is more than about the money.  Peace wants to send a message to all the "bigger" clubs out there that we won't roll over when dealing with our prized assets. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on August 25, 2015, 04:01:50 PM
He will see a Berahino sale as a way to balance the books IMO. I can't see us gambling money we haven't got in the hope that we move him on.

We do not have any reason to think that it is necessary to sell Berahino in order to balance the books.

Do you think the club  statement that his sale was not on the club's agenda was for the supporters' benefit? I doubt it. Spurs have shown their hand and gone public, others may not have done. JP knows but we don't know who those other (if any) interested clubs are. His statement said to those clubs that we don't need to sell (to balance the books or for any other reason) so if you want him you'll have to up your game and bid big..or you can forget it.!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: amathews3416 on August 25, 2015, 04:02:55 PM
We do not have any reason to think that it is necessary to sell Berahino in order to balance the books.

Do you think the club  statement that his sale was not on the club's agenda was for the supporters' benefit? I doubt it. Spurs have shown their hand and gone public, others may not have done. JP knows but we don't know who those other (if any) interested clubs are. His statement said to those clubs that we don't need to sell (to balance the books or for any other reason) so if you want him you'll have to up your game and bid big..or you can forget it.!

Not sure where you get the idea that Spurs have gone public.  The only club I see plastering announcements on their official site is us. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2015, 04:03:58 PM
its not as if we are going to go bust if we spend 25 million now is it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: slugga1 on August 25, 2015, 04:04:10 PM
It's good that we are in a position to stand firm.. Love him or hate JP has got our club financially in the right place. Hats off to him for that and for playing hardball,  let's get as much as we can atleast.. What will it take? 28m would be my guess..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2015, 04:05:34 PM
He appears to be hot property, so we can hold firm. Its not like we are desperate for the cash is it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2015, 04:06:27 PM
no way is he worth over 20 million i hear you cry, tottingham fans :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 25, 2015, 04:06:39 PM
Some reports that the offer was well below 22 million little wonder if this is the case we turned it down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 25, 2015, 04:11:59 PM
Just need to make sure the money is spent well. For me Phillips and Austin would be ideal.

Do we hold on to sell Berahino and then it may be a case they get poached ? Or do we go and buy them first?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 25, 2015, 04:17:49 PM
That's if we do look to reinvest the money.

I can only see us replacing Saido if Ideye leaves too.

Can easily see us going into September with Rondon, Lambert, Ideye and Vic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on August 25, 2015, 04:23:10 PM
Where does Austin play if rondon is playing ?.cant see the 2 playing together .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 25, 2015, 04:26:54 PM
I do wonder how much Spurs can actually afford? Whatever they might like to think, they're not in the same financial ballpark as Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and the Manchester clubs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on August 25, 2015, 04:34:33 PM
I do wonder how much Spurs can actually afford? Whatever they might like to think, they're not in the same financial ballpark as Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and the Manchester clubs.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-leagues-richest-owners-how-6233348 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-leagues-richest-owners-how-6233348)

I am sure they can afford the 25m price tag.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on August 25, 2015, 04:35:24 PM
Where does Austin play if rondon is playing ?.cant see the 2 playing together .

I agree. I can't really see another striker coming in now, especially not a striker such as Austin who would be thought of as being 'first choice'. We already have Rondon and Lambert jostling for what in the majority of games will be just one place in the starting 11. If we do somehow manage to move on Anichebe or Ideye before the close of the window then maybe we would bring in another squad/back up striker for a nominal fee but I definitely think we have seen the end of big money strikers being bought in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 25, 2015, 04:35:55 PM
Where does Austin play if rondon is playing ?.cant see the 2 playing together .

Exactly, I can't see any space for him in the squad.  I don't think he'll be on our list. 

The only forward I could see us being interested in would be someone who can play a wide/supporting role.  Like... Victor Moses maybe borrowed from Pulis' mate Mourinho. 

Or maybe someone young to bring through - i.e. an investment - such as the swiss guy we were supposed to be interested in or Afobe.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 25, 2015, 04:36:46 PM
Just out of interest,  where has the £25M price tag come from? Gets quoted a lot but why?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2015, 04:38:11 PM
That's if we do look to reinvest the money.

I can only see us replacing Saido if Ideye leaves too.

Can easily see us going into September with Rondon, Lambert, Ideye and Vic.

That's how I see it too. For me we need to utilise any of Saido's money on brining in quality elsewhere in the side. Without this money do we have sufficient to spend to cover these issues?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wodenson46 on August 25, 2015, 04:40:33 PM
Well if you are going Saido thanks for the effort the entertainment and the goals.

 I sincerely hope you go on and have a successful and happy life and a successful career in the game, playing international football for England

However I also hope that the rest of your goals come from playing with one of the great European clubs and not the bunch of self important cockney jids called tottenham hotspur. This is a club who in this instance. and who regularly in the past seem to use the Londoncentric press to unsettle and tap up potential signings before ever contacting the other club or making a firm offer.

If, against some very good advice from people who know and understand far more than you or I, you do sign for these arrogant north Londoners, I do hope you realise that you are only ever going to be a support for their own golden boy Kane. If he turns out to be a one season wonder like so many other hyped up london players, you will become the scapegoat for their the press and their fans, who in general I have found to be less knowledgeable and understanding about players from other English clubs than the average garden slug. 

So Mr Beharino, once more thank you and good bye. May you never get a goal against the Albion. Other than that all the best son.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2015, 04:41:05 PM
We do not have any reason to think that it is necessary to sell Berahino in order to balance the books.

Do you think the club  statement that his sale was not on the club's agenda was for the supporters' benefit? I doubt it. Spurs have shown their hand and gone public, others may not have done. JP knows but we don't know who those other (if any) interested clubs are. His statement said to those clubs that we don't need to sell (to balance the books or for any other reason) so if you want him you'll have to up your game and bid big..or you can forget it.!

The question for me is lets say we have a budget of £30m to spend this summer. If we sell Berahino as well for £25m will we reinvest this money or use it to cover what we have spent? Let's face it to address the big problems we still have in the squad is going to take a fair bit of money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jimmyj on August 25, 2015, 04:42:36 PM
Exactly, I can't see any space for him in the squad.  I don't think he'll be on our list. 

The only forward I could see us being interested in would be someone who can play a wide/supporting role.  Like... Victor Moses maybe borrowed from Pulis' mate Mourinho. 

Or maybe someone young to bring through - i.e. an investment - such as the swiss guy we were supposed to be interested in or Afobe.

I expect us to go for Afobe if Berahino goes. Perfect replacement for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on August 25, 2015, 04:46:35 PM
Not sure where you get the idea that Spurs have gone public.  The only club I see plastering announcements on their official site is us.

Fair point. I should have said that the Spurs bids are a mattar of public knowledge. That doesn't invalidate the main thrust of my argument though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on August 25, 2015, 04:49:43 PM
The question for me is lets say we have a budget of £30m to spend this summer. If we sell Berahino as well for £25m will we reinvest this money or use it to cover what we have spent? Let's face it to address the big problems we still have in the squad is going to take a fair bit of money.
Well yes , but it is a question. As I said we have no reason to suppose any particular answer such as that it is necessary to sell Berahino to balance the books. It is possible indeed quite probable that we have the funds to achieve all of our plans without selling Berahino and that is the message JP is wanting to give to all potential buyers .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbastrollers on August 25, 2015, 04:51:07 PM
Where does Austin play if rondon is playing ?.cant see the 2 playing together .

Exactly Charliemike, imo we are after Phillips, it is unfortunate that he played a blinder against Wolves, because I think we will have to pay nearer to 10 mill in this new climate, depenedent on the Saido situ.
Austin I can't see it, his wage claims will be a stumbling block for us, we would have to sell both Anichebe and Ideye for us to even contemplate Charlie Austin. Having said  that Anichebe is ideal  to come on for 20 - 30mins.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2015, 04:54:44 PM
Well yes , but it is a question. As I said we have no reason to suppose any particular answer such as that it is necessary to sell Berahino to balance the books. It is possible indeed quite probable that we have the funds to achieve all of our plans without selling Berahino and that is the message JP is wanting to give to all potential buyers .

I'd like to think we have a sufficient budget to cover what we'd planned and need to do. However if Saido is sold I hope we spend this additional 'bonus' money to further improve our squad as opposed to using it to cover the initial outgoings.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on August 25, 2015, 04:56:55 PM
 As a parallel to the Saido saga i see  in the other soap opera John Stones has now handed in a transfer request. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on August 25, 2015, 04:58:31 PM
According to the Sky sports reporter just it was £22m but in installments and Albion rejected it flat out.

It said we dont think there is enough time to get a replacement and would only be looking at around £30m.

Good gamesmanship as we clearly would have a list of targets and we are just ensuring the bidding war (if there is one!) goes up!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 25, 2015, 05:16:46 PM
According to the Sky sports reporter just it was £22m but in installments and Albion rejected it flat out.

It said we dont think there is enough time to get a replacement and would only be looking at around £30m.

Good gamesmanship as we clearly would have a list of targets and we are just ensuring the bidding war (if there is one!) goes up!
I haven't seen the Sky report, but I'm not sure I follow - are they claiming that we're saying that there isn't enough time to get a replacement now but, if someone pays £30m, we don't care whether we can get a replacement or not?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2015, 05:18:15 PM
John Stones has now handed in a transfer request. Pleased to see its not just Saido...... kids today eh????
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on August 25, 2015, 05:20:21 PM
The presenter said they had a bit more information on Berahino, i presume they will turn it into a full report later.

I get the impression we are saying the right things to get the price up, basically saying we dont want to sell as we cant replace him this late in the window (though i think Rondon was the replacement) but also saying every player has a price and so to buy him people will have to pay top whack - £30m!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 25, 2015, 05:28:39 PM
Last I heard on SSN was the bid was £18m rising to around £21m. That is just not acceptable.

Couple of points:

Someone asked where £25m figure came from and I've wondered this- to me it seems to be an arbitrary figure that fans (and press) have latched onto.

If he doesn't get sold he will play and he will try his best as he will be in the shop window because Utd and Arsenal will almost certainly be looking for strikers (as well as Spurs) come January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 25, 2015, 06:23:44 PM
If he doesn't get sold he will play and he will try his best as he will be in the shop window because Utd and Arsenal will almost certainly be looking for strikers (as well as Spurs) come January.
Can you be sure of that, it didn't happen with Odemwingie?!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 25, 2015, 06:31:47 PM
Can you be sure of that, it didn't happen with Odemwingie?!
This is a big season for Saido he has to prove he is no one season wonder and also a place in the euros to fight for.
Should he stay he would be very silly to throw a strop and also slow down his development.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on August 25, 2015, 06:36:12 PM
I get the impression that in order for us to achieve their £22m offer then the Spuds would have to win the Premiership, FA Cup and the European Championship. If we don't budge from our reported £25m asking price then the Spuds would probably happily go abroad and spend more on an inferior player. Stick to your guns JP.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: slugga1 on August 25, 2015, 06:37:59 PM
This is a big season for Saido he has to prove he is no one season wonder and also a place in the euros to fight for.
Should he stay he would be very silly to throw a strop and also slow down his development.

I don't think he would be a prat about it, apart from the obvious incident he's handled himself reasonably well for a young lad. That said I think he will be gone by end of window and good luck to him, just hope we can get our targets through the door before hand.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 25, 2015, 06:41:12 PM
Can you be sure of that, it didn't happen with Odemwingie?!

Yes but Odemwingie had the brain of a newt and the ego of a king
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 25, 2015, 06:42:39 PM
John Stones has now handed in a transfer request. Pleased to see its not just Saido...... kids today eh????

If he goes Evans goes to Everton so we will have to look elsewhere for another centre back
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pete on August 25, 2015, 06:50:31 PM
STERLING went for 49 Million, I wouldnt care what Spuds asked for I would hold out for nearer £35.  Reason, would they sell KANE for £22 million?

Would they fekk!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 25, 2015, 07:01:34 PM

A lot of spuds fans comparing him to the pedro fee. Which is completely irellivent as Pedro will be over 30 when his contract is up and his value will only decrease from now. But another couple of decent seasons for Saido and his value will increase.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 25, 2015, 07:10:06 PM
If he goes Evans goes to Everton so we will have to look elsewhere for another centre back

Yeah, it is chain reactions like this that makes the transfer windows so annoying in these days when the Prem is so stratified and hierarchical.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2015, 07:13:01 PM
STERLING went for 49 Million, I wouldnt care what Spuds asked for I would hold out for nearer £35.  Reason, would they sell KANE for £22 million?

Would they fekk!

Sterling is twice the player Berahino IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on August 25, 2015, 07:15:08 PM
Sterling is twice the player Berahino IMO.
Sterling has pace, I don't see any technical ability in him, to be honest I would say Berahino is better at finishing and is a better technical player
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2015, 07:18:42 PM
Sterling has pace, I don't see any technical ability in him, to be honest I would say Berahino is better at finishing and is a better technical player

Sterling can certainly beat a man and has scored around 18-20 Prem goals which is not a bad return for a winger. Despite all the stick he has taken he has started very well at City. I hope he continues to develop along with Berahino as England desperately need players like this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pete on August 25, 2015, 07:38:07 PM
Sterling is twice the player Berahino IMO.
Thats your opinion, BERAHINO scored more goals in a poorer side and IMO is more technical than Stirling. Whilst Stirling has blistering pace he is not as clinical as Saido.

Sterling can certainly beat a man and has scored around 18-20 Prem goals which is not a bad return for a winger. Despite all the stick he has taken he has started very well at City. I hope he continues to develop along with Berahino as England desperately need players like this.
He has played in a better team so will get more chances, more of the ball & more support. Berahino is a player that is flying in a "Relatively" poor squad that is fighting relegation.

How much would Spuds sell Kane for? 

Just wandering because they are "similar"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2015, 07:46:19 PM
Thats your opinion, BERAHINO scored more goals in a poorer side and IMO is more technical than Stirling. Whilst Stirling has blistering pace he is not as clinical as Saido.He has played in a better team so will get more chances, more of the ball & more support. Berahino is a player that is flying in a "Relatively" poor squad that is fighting relegation.

How much would Spuds sell Kane for? 

Just wandering because they are "similar"

It is my opinion that Sterling is a much better player and perhaps also the opinion of Pellegrini who has decided to buy him and not Berahino. I don't see Berahino going to a top 4 side whereas Stirling already is.

As for price Spurs are going to try and get him as cheap as possible. I don't see anything wrong with that. We try it all the time when buying players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pete on August 25, 2015, 07:56:55 PM
It is my opinion that Sterling is a much better player and perhaps also the opinion of Pellegrini who has decided to buy him and not Berahino. I don't see Berahino going to a top 4 side whereas Stirling already is.

As for price Spurs are going to try and get him as cheap as possible. I don't see anything wrong with that. We try it all the time when buying players.
Would KANE get into the top 4 sides?

I understand that they are trying to get him as cheap as possible but we are not under any rush to sell & I for one believe he is worth more.

Again just my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2015, 08:03:25 PM
Would KANE get into the top 4 sides?

I understand that they are trying to get him as cheap as possible but we are not under any rush to sell & I for one believe he is worth more.

Again just my opinion.

I would think Kane is a more attractive proposition at the moment than Berahino. We may not be in a rush to sell but I think we have to now. If not we end up with an unhappy player on our books. I hope we get it done ASAP to give us chance to reinvest the money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pete on August 25, 2015, 08:16:28 PM
I would think Kane is a more attractive proposition at the moment than Berahino. We may not be in a rush to sell but I think we have to now. If not we end up with an unhappy player on our books. I hope we get it done ASAP to give us chance to reinvest the money.
Fair play but we cant let him go too cheap especially in todays market!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: spyro on August 25, 2015, 08:37:43 PM
You can't even compare sterling and berahino completely different players
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on August 25, 2015, 08:53:28 PM
We' ll done the West Brom board and JP. English goalscorers with Prem experience are at a Premium. Only let him go, if a daft offer come in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 25, 2015, 10:50:41 PM
He might do well there and get snapped up by a proper "Big Club" like Arsenal. :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 25, 2015, 10:59:27 PM
He might do well there and get snapped up by a proper "Big Club" like Arsenal. :D

I'm not sure I trust Rondon and Lambert to get the goals to keep us up...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 25, 2015, 11:02:41 PM
I'm not sure I trust Rondon and Lambert to get the goals to keep us up...
Well yes there is that.
Not wishing him to leave it is his choice unfortunately that is today's football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 25, 2015, 11:14:50 PM
You can't even compare sterling and berahino completely different players
But the value to the selling clubs is.
You can only sell them once.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on August 25, 2015, 11:29:20 PM
I'm not sure I trust Rondon and Lambert to get the goals to keep us up...

Lambert has shown he can score more than Ideye at this level. And Rondon had been a 1 in 2 striker in other top level leagues. Pulis got Palace to 11th in the league with Cameron Jerome up front who scored 2 goals in the whole season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Blowee on August 25, 2015, 11:38:30 PM
Not sure goals are a big part of the plan - not conceding seems to be the target. 10 or so narrow wins and the odd draw will achieve the ambition of the club. Not going to be an attractive season but I guess that's what you get from TP. He certainly saved us from the alternative of Championship football last season but the price is watching a team of central defenders and wingers playing at being full backs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aztech on August 25, 2015, 11:44:55 PM
Lambert has shown he can score more than Ideye at this level. And Rondon had been a 1 in 2 striker in other top level leagues. Pulis got Palace to 11th in the league with Cameron Jerome up front who scored 2 goals in the whole season.

Lambert scored more than Ideye playing with better players, I don't see him getting the goals for us.

In fact I would say he is very poor,  I don't know how he managed to stay on the pitch tonight.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: apple on August 26, 2015, 12:54:05 AM
I think its clear hes going to go, its just a question of how much we can screw spurs for. the spurs fans are that worked up, levys going to a look a right prick if he doesnt meet Jezzas demands
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 26, 2015, 01:14:44 AM
Pretty much reconciled to the fact that he will more than likely be on his bike but surely we all want him to go to Arsenal if he does go just to destroy the whining Spurs melts and their #FreeBerahino nonsense. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 26, 2015, 01:35:58 AM
Lambert scored more than Ideye playing with better players, I don't see him getting the goals for us.

In fact I would say he is very poor,  I don't know how he managed to stay on the pitch tonight.

Lambert needs minutes in his legs there was a dig at his preseason involvement with Liverpool in a recent press conference, and tonight he was played in the no. 10 role when he is plainly a no. 9, his role will be back-up to Rondon I would imagine this year.  As for Saido, I hope he stays whether it's against his will or not. Same as I always hoped Odemwingie could resolve his issues with the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 26, 2015, 01:38:30 AM
Few points on the deal.

1. £25m asking price, no idea where that has come from the press have speculated that is what we are asking but why would we  put a price on an asset that we don't want to sell? Better to let Spurs just keep bidding rather give them any indication that are getting close.

2. Levy is as hard boiled negotiator Peace both will want to drive a hard bargain so don't expect this to happen quickly unless Peace gets a price he likes.

3. The Spurs press briefings were running for at least a month before a low bid was received this has no doubt inebriated off the club and now it is out in public Albion are quite happy to comment on it in public. We might have gone in with a low bid for Phillips but we have not been actively briefing the media in an attempt to unsettle the player.

4. Ultimately I think the club is prepared to risk having a sulking Saido because otherwise they would have cut a deal by now.

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 26, 2015, 06:23:26 AM
Few points on the deal.

1. £25m asking price, no idea where that has come from the press have speculated that is what we are asking but why would we  put a price on an asset that we don't want to sell? Better to let Spurs just keep bidding rather give them any indication that are getting close.

2. Levy is as hard boiled negotiator Peace both will want to drive a hard bargain so don't expect this to happen quickly unless Peace gets a price he likes.

3. The Spurs press briefings were running for at least a month before a low bid was received this has no doubt inebriated off the club and now it is out in public Albion are quite happy to comment on it in public. We might have gone in with a low bid for Phillips but we have not been actively briefing the media in an attempt to unsettle the player.

4. Ultimately I think the club is prepared to risk having a sulking Saido because otherwise they would have cut a deal by now.

 

Levy and JP are poker players, the first one to blink will lose

Poor little might appears to be a little disgruntled because he hasn't got his own way

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/08/26/report-saido-berahino-angry-over-blocked-tottenham-transfer-spur/?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Vassassin on August 26, 2015, 07:09:39 AM
I think Berahino is a brilliant footballer and is also a very good athlete, whereas Sterling is a brilliant athlete and also a very good footballer. IMHO Berahino is worth more than Sterling will ever be worth, BUT he is not in the shop front of the big 4 as they will only sign big name/ticket strikers, which to me is a fairly safe managerial bet. Wingers on the other hand do not really affect the reputation of the manager as much, and usually they are paying crazy prices, for quite a few of them, with no real risk to the manager's reputation (eg Di Maria scenario).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wabooz on August 26, 2015, 07:29:10 AM
I honestly believe Berahino offers nothing beyond finishing ability, which even then he can have a nightmare from close range e.g. Watford

Ironically sterling offers everything but finishing, which he is shocking at.

Think about it, does saido get on the ball a lot? No. Does he hold it up? No. Does he provide chances via potential assists? No. Does he defend from the front? No. Does he dribble well? No. Does he pass well? No. Does he have good vision? No. Can he take free kicks? Possibly. Is he lightning quick? No, not slow but not rapid. Is his movement anything special like aguero? No.

He's overrated and over hyped, has a long way to go if he's going to become a top player, and without a strong manager to keep him in line he has an attitude problem too!

Don't get me wrong, he's valuable because he knows where the net is if given chances, but he's not top class overall in ability or attitude. Defoe is a finisher, he was always overlooked when it mattered.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ukar1 on August 26, 2015, 07:57:28 AM
I honestly believe Berahino offers nothing beyond finishing ability, which even then he can have a nightmare from close range e.g. Watford

Ironically sterling offers everything but finishing, which he is shocking at.

Think about it, does saido get on the ball a lot? No. Does he hold it up? No. Does he provide chances via potential assists? No. Does he defend from the front? No. Does he dribble well? No. Does he pass well? No. Does he have good vision? No. Can he take free kicks? Possibly. Is he lightning quick? No, not slow but not rapid. Is his movement anything special like aguero? No.

He's overrated and over hyped, has a long way to go if he's going to become a top player, and without a strong manager to keep him in line he has an attitude problem too!

Don't get me wrong, he's valuable because he knows where the net is if given chances, but he's not top class overall in ability or attitude. Defoe is a finisher, he was always overlooked when it mattered.

Good post..spot on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 26, 2015, 08:00:52 AM
I honestly believe Berahino offers nothing beyond finishing ability, which even then he can have a nightmare from close range e.g. Watford

Ironically sterling offers everything but finishing, which he is shocking at.

Think about it, does saido get on the ball a lot? No. Does he hold it up? No. Does he provide chances via potential assists? No. Does he defend from the front? No. Does he dribble well? No. Does he pass well? No. Does he have good vision? No. Can he take free kicks? Possibly. Is he lightning quick? No, not slow but not rapid. Is his movement anything special like aguero? No.

He's overrated and over hyped, has a long way to go if he's going to become a top player, and without a strong manager to keep him in line he has an attitude problem too!

Don't get me wrong, he's valuable because he knows where the net is if given chances, but he's not top class overall in ability or attitude. Defoe is a finisher, he was always overlooked when it mattered.

Absolutely this.

I can't understand the 'Berahino was the best player on the pitch' lines that get thrown about. He can score but very rarely have I seen him do anything else that has made me think, wow he's good. But hey he scored a few for us, could score more elsewhere but he has tendencies to be completely anonymous for long periods.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Vassassin on August 26, 2015, 08:09:44 AM
Finishers = goals, goals = wins. Sterling is a headless chook, even has the hairstyle to match, also dare I say it is one footed.
Berahino wins teams games, just like Defoe would have if ......
End of the day, IMHO Sterling is an unbelievably good athlete that was nurtured into a footballer because of his speed, Berahino was only ever going to become a footballer because of his ability to read the game, be in the right place, finish on either side of his body, or his head, take responsibility for penalties/free kicks and convert them. It is not practical to compare out and out strikers, but if we were to then Zlatan only does what Berahino does, difference is he is doing it a lot better and has been doing it for a lot longer. Berahino to me is the spring lamb the farmer is looking to sell, not realizing that it may become the prized bull in a couple of years. Sterling will only get s l o w e r as the years go by and his value to the lower division team he will find himself at will come into question. The Championship and League 1 are full of Sterlings of the past.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 26, 2015, 08:22:36 AM
I have to agree with Vassassin. At the beginning of last season Berahino used to properly annoy me with his attitude towards the game and the team but clearly had the talent to score goals. West Brom could not afford an individual not pulling his weight and to be fair that side of his game has improved under Pulis (no surprise) but average players can be taught that . He has a  talent you can not teach you need to exploit. That comes at a premium.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 26, 2015, 08:32:42 AM
I still don't think we'll miss him as much as some people are making out
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 26, 2015, 08:37:40 AM
Finishers = goals, goals = wins. Sterling is a headless chook, even has the hairstyle to match, also dare I say it is one footed.
Berahino wins teams games, just like Defoe would have if ......
End of the day, IMHO Sterling is an unbelievably good athlete that was nurtured into a footballer because of his speed, Berahino was only ever going to become a footballer because of his ability to read the game, be in the right place, finish on either side of his body, or his head, take responsibility for penalties/free kicks and convert them. It is not practical to compare out and out strikers, but if we were to then Zlatan only does what Berahino does, difference is he is doing it a lot better and has been doing it for a lot longer. Berahino to me is the spring lamb the farmer is looking to sell, not realizing that it may become the prized bull in a couple of years. Sterling will only get s l o w e r as the years go by and his value to the lower division team he will find himself at will come into question. The Championship and League 1 are full of Sterlings of the past.

To do that he'd need to change species, so it's highly unlikely  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on August 26, 2015, 08:42:26 AM
To do that he'd need to change species, so it's highly unlikely  :P


Just need to change bull for ram and you're OK :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 26, 2015, 08:50:11 AM
I'm starting to think he won't be leaving this window now.
Last night, it was glaringly obvious that we need a number 10 & I'm not sure we will get one before the window closes
IMO TP sees Saido in that role, & I could see a situation where JP & TP convince Saido to stay with a promise that he can leave in January, (possibly supported by a new contract with a release clause)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 26, 2015, 08:53:45 AM
I still don't think we'll miss him as much as some people are making out
I don't think we will miss him in our current team. We don't exploit his talent, we get him to work.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DroitwichBaggie71 on August 26, 2015, 09:10:23 AM
I Like Berahino BUT

If we can get Austin and Phillips in with the Money from Berahino I will drive him to Spurs myself.

He's not going to score 20 goals again for us that I'm sure of now he has spat his dummy out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on August 26, 2015, 09:10:52 AM
After lat nights performance , I think we are all fed up . Against 3 rd division , yes third tier opponents we still play a defensive mode with no flar at all . We. Are now spending decent money but are we giving it to the right man .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WD40 on August 26, 2015, 09:13:05 AM
Some say we already have the right man........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 26, 2015, 09:31:53 AM
I still don't think we'll miss him as much as some people are making out



i tend to agree
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 26, 2015, 09:33:06 AM
I still really rate Berahino.

While I understand forums are a place for all to air their views, I really cannot get my head around some that I have read on this thread.
Only offers goals? Utter billhooks.

Technically very sound player with great movement off the ball.
He makes angles, provides team mates with options and offers an outlet.

Quality player.
Just an opinion though...........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: robbo_wba on August 26, 2015, 09:36:00 AM
I think last night showed just how much we missed him; his pace, his quality on the ball, and his finishing.

If he goes, we HAVE to bring in another striker who is a natural goalscorer/poacher, i.e Charlie Austin. If Rondon gets injured I would have little faith in Lambert (after last night) and Ideye (after every game) scoring enough goals to keep us up.

Unless the offer is silly money, we should just keep him for another 2 years, and when his contract runs out we'd still get around £10m for him through tribunal anyway like Danny Ings.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TonyWBA on August 26, 2015, 10:02:02 AM
I'm not sure about this "myth" that Berahino has pace. He has one attribute and that is finishing, I'm be more than happy to drive Berahino to Tottenham....especially as he has no license  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 26, 2015, 10:04:38 AM
Top player easily top eight striker, Not so sure we would replace him as we have four strikers still.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 26, 2015, 10:05:36 AM
I think last night showed just how much we missed him; his pace, his quality on the ball, and his finishing.

If he goes, we HAVE to bring in another striker who is a natural goalscorer/poacher, i.e Charlie Austin. If Rondon gets injured I would have little faith in Lambert (after last night) and Ideye (after every game) scoring enough goals to keep us up.

Unless the offer is silly money, we should just keep him for another 2 years, and when his contract runs out we'd still get around £10m for him through tribunal anyway like Danny Ings.

Or once teams figure out Rondon can only score with his right foot and start pushing him on to his left to finish...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: spyro on August 26, 2015, 10:09:36 AM
I honestly believe Berahino offers nothing beyond finishing ability, which even then he can have a nightmare from close range e.g. Watford
 
Ironically sterling offers everything but finishing, which he is shocking at.7

Think about it, does saido get on the ball a lot? No. Does he hold it up? No. Does he provide chances via potential assists? No. Does he defend from the front? No. Does he dribble well? No. Does he pass well? No. Does he have good vision? No. Can he take free kicks? Possibly. Is he lightning quick? No, not slow but not rapid. Is his movement anything special like aguero? No.

He's overrated and over hyped, has a long way to go if he's going to become a top player, and without a strong manager to keep him in line he has an attitude problem too!

Don't get me wrong, he's valuable because he knows where the net is if given chances, but he's not top class overall in ability or attitude. Defoe is a finisher, he was always overlooked when it mattered.
that's cause you don't understand football, berahino is class has class movement, can finish and hold the ball up. Just because he doesn't dribble like messi doesn't mean he isn't good
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: spyro on August 26, 2015, 10:14:33 AM
I Like Berahino BUT

If we can get Austin and Phillips in with the Money from Berahino I will drive him to Spurs myself.

He's not going to score 20 goals again for us that I'm sure of now he has spat his dummy out.
he won't score 20 goals for us, cause pulis. Is the most defensive manager in the league
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 26, 2015, 10:26:54 AM
that's cause you don't understand football, berahino is class has class movement, can finish and hold the ball up. Just because he doesn't dribble like messi doesn't mean he isn't good

I agree

Think his hold up play is excellent and he is very strong, his movement is excellent and he can finish. everything you need from a top striker.

Will we miss him?? Yes of course, we will be a weaker team without him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on August 26, 2015, 10:29:21 AM
He ain't gone yet .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 26, 2015, 10:30:16 AM
he won't score 20 goals for us, cause pulis. Is the most defensive manager in the league

I agree. He'll be worse off by staying here, playing out of position and chasing hoofed balls all day. A Pulis side must be terrible to play in for anyone with any real talent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 26, 2015, 10:35:35 AM
Amy Lewis ‏@SkySportsAmy  3m3 minutes ago
Spurs are understood to have reservations about a 3rd bid for Berahino & are considering other options. Transfers 1115 on @SkySportsNewsHQ
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 26, 2015, 10:38:57 AM
Amy Lewis ‏@SkySportsAmy  3m3 minutes ago
Spurs are understood to have reservations about a 3rd bid for Berahino & are considering other options. Transfers 1115 on @SkySportsNewsHQ

The only reservation they have is paying what is requried, they are playing a game that we are not playing. Dont bid for him again then and you will have no chance of getting him.

Im sure by now we have told them what we want and they still come back with derisory offers which are not market value
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on August 26, 2015, 10:40:54 AM
Amy Lewis ‏@SkySportsAmy  3m3 minutes ago
Spurs are understood to have reservations about a 3rd bid for Berahino & are considering other options. Transfers 1115 on @SkySportsNewsHQ
Just a tactics in the negotiation process, I am sure they will come back with a new bid.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 26, 2015, 10:51:04 AM
Berahino only scores goals? Well that's more than any of the other strikers we have got can do  ;D I couldn't care less if he is a greedy footballer who has no skill and can't hold the ball up as long as he puts it in the net, which is what he does do.

Strikers score goals, goals win matches. Saido is a match winner so anything under £25mill and we aren't interested
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on August 26, 2015, 11:06:08 AM
Berahino only scores goals? Well that's more than any of the other strikers we have got can do  ;D I couldn't care less if he is a greedy footballer who has no skill and can't hold the ball up as long as he puts it in the net, which is what he does do.

Strikers score goals, goals win matches. Saido is a match winner so anything under £25mill and we aren't interested

Would be a fair point, if the original point was at all true.

Saying the only attribute Saido has is finishing is lazy and just flat out wrong. He is by far the most complete footballer we have, his touch, movement, vision, hold-up play and finishing are all excellent, he is one of the most complete strikers I have ever seen at the club (granted I have only been going 20 years), that's no mean feat for a 21 year old.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on August 26, 2015, 11:10:45 AM
Berahino only scores goals? Well that's more than any of the other strikers we have got can do  ;D I couldn't care less if he is a greedy footballer who has no skill and can't hold the ball up as long as he puts it in the net, which is what he does do.

Strikers score goals, goals win matches. Saido is a match winner so anything under £25mill and we aren't interested
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I agree with your post the only way i would sell him is if some club came in with a  :o offer & not until.
Young/English/Goal Scorer in the premiership  :-* JP holds all the cards & on a long contract to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 26, 2015, 11:21:40 AM
Comment from the E and S.
I  understand the London club’s bid, while worth a potential £21m, was so installment-driven and littered with add-on clauses it only further aggravated an increasingly tense stand-off between two of the hardest negotiators in English football.

Albion dismissed the offer out of hand as the down-payment was so paltry it would have left the club all-but empty handed in the search for a replacement.

Spurs may as well look elsewhere because with offers like that they are wasting everyone's time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 26, 2015, 11:23:03 AM
Comment from the E and S.
I  understand the London club’s bid, while worth a potential £21m, was so installment-driven and littered with add-on clauses it only further aggravated an increasingly tense stand-off between two of the hardest negotiators in English football.

Albion dismissed the offer out of hand as the down-payment was so paltry it would have left the club all-but empty handed in the search for a replacement.

Spurs may as well look elsewhere because with offers like that they are wasting everyone's time.

Thought they were one of the so called big clubs?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 26, 2015, 11:24:22 AM
Thought they were one of the so called big clubs?

Seems like their chairman is more tight fisted then Peace!!.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on August 26, 2015, 11:25:01 AM
Funny how a lot of the people who are saying "he's rubbish anyway" weren't very vocal with their opinions before the transfer request. Fickle beyond belief.

He's the best player we've produced in decades, if he does go good luck to him, but I hope he doesn't. We need him, who else is going to score? The lord and saviour Rondon who couldn't score past sodding Port Vale? Rickie Lambert before he picks up his pension? Sick Vic?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 26, 2015, 11:28:38 AM
Comment from the E and S.
I  understand the London club’s bid, while worth a potential £21m, was so installment-driven and littered with add-on clauses it only further aggravated an increasingly tense stand-off between two of the hardest negotiators in English football.

Albion dismissed the offer out of hand as the down-payment was so paltry it would have left the club all-but empty handed in the search for a replacement.

Spurs may as well look elsewhere because with offers like that they are wasting everyone's time.

Sounds to me a bit like a game that Tottenham are playing out in front of their fans, knowing their bids will be rejected but being able to claim they made a serious effort (most of them will fall for the big £22 million headline), probably then go for a cheaper overseas option.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on August 26, 2015, 11:37:01 AM
I hope he goes to United as in the press today. It will serve Spurs and Levy right for messing with Saido's head and blatant tapping up in thee bid to unsettle him and get him on the cheap. Spurs have come out of this very badly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Vassassin on August 26, 2015, 11:49:09 AM
Talking out of turn here being an Aussie but, if Berahino was utilized as a true number 10, playing behind Rondon or Lambert or Vic for the next 2 seasons, then we may develop a stand out forward that would be in prime condition to fill Rooney's spot in the English team. He needs to be further developed (imho) playing regularly with a brute forward as a partner to allow him to express all his talents. Spuds will run him into the ground chasing a beyond their grasp glory that they can only dream about. If he went to a big 4, then the pine bench would become his best friend, and the glory seeking fans of that club will give their team a standing ovation at seasons end and be left bewildered come Euros or WC time as to why England can't do so well. Imperative for many reasons why the lad should stay a Baggie. My opinion only
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on August 26, 2015, 12:01:11 PM
Levy should be mindful that Spurs fans could turn a bit nasty if they lose out on Berahino to another club after all this media cafuffle.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 26, 2015, 12:48:43 PM
Spurs reported to be close to signing Heung-Min Son (winger/forward) from Bayer 04 Leverkusen whether this is in addition to or instead of Saido remains to be  seen but there are also reports that they reluctant to come back with a third bid.

I am sorry but that is pretty low rent from Spurs having mounted a whispering campaign all summer stuck in two low bids and encouraged the player to make a transfer request they need to stump up the money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2015, 12:52:36 PM
Spurs reported to be close to signing Heung-Min Son (winger/forward) from Bayer 04 Leverkusen whether this is in addition to or instead of Saido remains to be  seen but there are also reports that they reluctant to come back with a third bid.

I am sorry but that is pretty low rent from Spurs having mounted a whispering campaign all summer stuck in two low bids and encouraged the player to make a transfer request they need to stump up the money.


Its a disgrace given the paltry way they reportedly wanted to set the fee up with low down payment and add ons
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on August 26, 2015, 01:03:18 PM
I am sorry but that is pretty low rent from Spurs having mounted a whispering campaign all summer stuck in two low bids and encouraged the player to make a transfer request they need to stump up the money.

Is that that much different to our public pursuit of Matty Phillips?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 26, 2015, 01:16:40 PM
I saw Van Gaal on Sky last night saying that they weren't going to sign another striker before the window closes. Unless the entire interview was a joke, it seems he has plans to play Fellaini in a more attacking role than usual.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 26, 2015, 01:20:57 PM
Is that that much different to our public pursuit of Matty Phillips?

We put a bid in early summer it was rejected I don't think we have fed the media anything since. The only people that keep banging on about Phillips are fans. On the other hand it was fairly obvious that Spurs were actively briefing London journalists weeks before they submitted a bid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pie on August 26, 2015, 01:23:07 PM
Steve Madeley indicating on Twitter that Peace statements that we do not want to sell are genuine, and we will only even think about selling if a BIG offer comes in.

He says WBA would rather keep Berahino for another year and get less money out of it at the end for the service he can give us (which is what I wanted, posted a couple of weeks ago). Obviously Bera has now handed in request, I think we can still prove to him that sulking will not be for the good of his career if he does stay.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on August 26, 2015, 01:28:27 PM
any player that hands in transfer request and doesnt want to play for us get the best money we can and get rid no player is bigger than the club...dont want to see.him in an albion top again dont care how good or bad he is
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 26, 2015, 01:35:02 PM
any player that hands in transfer request and doesnt want to play for us get the best money we can and get rid no player is bigger than the club...dont want to see.him in an albion top again dont care how good or bad he is
The fact a player as put in a transfer request should not be a reason for selling him cheap, check out the  E and S the offer from Spurs was an insult.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pie on August 26, 2015, 01:40:06 PM
any player that hands in transfer request and doesnt want to play for us get the best money we can and get rid no player is bigger than the club...dont want to see.him in an albion top again dont care how good or bad he is

As said above by someone else, Dawson handed in a transfer request, do you never want to see him in an albion top again?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 26, 2015, 02:01:47 PM
As said above by someone else, Dawson handed in a transfer request, do you never want to see him in an albion top again?

Exactly.  And Dawson was frustrated at not getting first team football, which to me is a good reason for wanting to leave
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 26, 2015, 02:11:35 PM
Talking out of turn here being an Aussie but, if Berahino was utilized as a true number 10, playing behind Rondon or Lambert or Vic for the next 2 seasons, then we may develop a stand out forward that would be in prime condition to fill Rooney's spot in the English team. He needs to be further developed (imho) playing regularly with a brute forward as a partner to allow him to express all his talents. Spuds will run him into the ground chasing a beyond their grasp glory that they can only dream about. If he went to a big 4, then the pine bench would become his best friend, and the glory seeking fans of that club will give their team a standing ovation at seasons end and be left bewildered come Euros or WC time as to why England can't do so well. Imperative for many reasons why the lad should stay a Baggie. My opinion only


Shared by me as well mate, & it seems by his ex u21 Manager, Gareth Southgate. Must admit, I'm surprised GS has expressed an opinion, I thought "Country Managers" would have been impartial.
Allegedly, Spurs would offer Saido £50k per week, which would make a 4 year contract worth about £6million £10million (sorry, got the maths wrong)to him, if we were to offer a similar contract, with a release clause, that would take the financial aspect out of the equation. Like you, I think Spurs only see him as a short term solution, & wouldn't develop him as a player, that's why their bid is (allegedly) performance staged. (If he doesn't deliver they've got him for less).
In my opinion, Saido would be best served by staying put & letting WBAFC & England coaching staff improve him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: nick_wba on August 26, 2015, 02:20:26 PM
Steve Madeley indicating on Twitter that Peace statements that we do not want to sell are genuine, and we will only even think about selling if a BIG offer comes in.

He says WBA would rather keep Berahino for another year and get less money out of it at the end for the service he can give us (which is what I wanted, posted a couple of weeks ago). Obviously Bera has now handed in request, I think we can still prove to him that sulking will not be for the good of his career if he does stay.

Looks to be exactly the same as the Morgan Schneiderlin to Spurs saga in 2014. They pursued him all summer, unsettled him, he handed in a transfer request, it was refused and the move eventually broke down. It was thought he wouldn't play again but he did, got his head down and had another blinding season which ended in a big money move to Utd.
He obviously knew sulking wouldn't get him anywhere and carried on playing as good as he could. If the move to Spurs doesn't happen for Saido, I really hope he follows the same path, it's for everyone's benefit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pie on August 26, 2015, 02:29:24 PM
Looks to be exactly the same as the Morgan Schneiderlin to Spurs saga in 2014. They pursued him all summer, unsettled him, he handed in a transfer request, it was refused and the move eventually broke down. It was thought he wouldn't play again but he did, got his head down and had another blinding season which ended in a big money move to Utd.
He obviously knew sulking wouldn't get him anywhere and carried on playing as good as he could. If the move to Spurs doesn't happen for Saido, I really hope he follows the same path, it's for everyone's benefit.

Great post, I genuinely think this would be the best option for him. Stay, develop, move to a better club than spurs next year.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 26, 2015, 03:27:51 PM
any player that hands in transfer request and doesnt want to play for us get the best money we can and get rid no player is bigger than the club...dont want to see.him in an albion top again dont care how good or bad he is

Why do some people seem to think that him handing in a transfer request means he's somehow going to sulk and not perform for us?

He may be happy to play for us even though he's handed in a transfer request, just that he would prefer to play at a slightly higher level, in Europe, with a slightly better chance of wining cups, and maybe getting into Champions League.

I fully expect to see him line up against Stoke on Saturday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 26, 2015, 03:30:12 PM
few games without a goal and berahino gets promoted back to the lone striker role scores a couple all will be forgotten.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alwaysbilly on August 26, 2015, 03:36:09 PM
Why do some people seem to think that him handing in a transfer request means he's somehow going to sulk and not perform for us?

He may be happy to play for us even though he's handed in a transfer request, just that he would prefer to play at a slightly higher level, in Europe, with a slightly better chance of wining cups, and maybe getting into Champions League.

I fully expect to see him line up against Stoke on Saturday.
Me too, he will need to show he is a good pro and get his head down. he should stay and wait for his chance at a big club where he will have a chance of progressing into european football and international levels.
Spurs are also rans always have been
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 26, 2015, 03:46:07 PM
In my opinion, Saido would be best served by staying put & letting WBAFC & England coaching staff improve him.
Is our general style of play and formation going to improve him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 26, 2015, 03:48:39 PM
Why do some people seem to think that him handing in a transfer request means he's somehow going to sulk and not perform for us?

He may be happy to play for us even though he's handed in a transfer request,
He might, he might not - either are possible. We might find out which it is after 6.00pm next Tuesday!

No-one really knows but him, his agent and his partner/close relatives probably.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 26, 2015, 04:05:20 PM
He might, he might not - either are possible. We might find out which it is after 6.00pm next Tuesday!

No-one really knows but him, his agent and his partner/close relatives probably.

What agent?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 26, 2015, 04:10:18 PM
all very quite today, levy just about to email another bid i suspect
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 26, 2015, 04:19:25 PM
What agent?

He gave Aidy Ward notice of termination, but the notice period doesn't run out till November
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 26, 2015, 04:27:27 PM
Is our general style of play and formation going to imrpove him?

Only my opinion, but I think TP sees him as the creative player that we don't have at the moment. Whatever your opinion of TP, he is a pragmatist, & will put a side out to get a positive result with the resources he's got. At the moment, Saido's not on board, & so he's not part of that resource. I would hope that TP & JP are working with him & his advisors to get them all on board. If they can, then yes, I could see an improvment in his all-round game. IMO he has the capacity to be so much more than just a striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 26, 2015, 04:47:50 PM
Is our general style of play and formation going to improve him?

Agreed. If he has a poor season with us (which under the current style of play is possible) his stock will take a beating. We should cash in now and go and buy the 4/5 centre halves we desperately require.  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on August 26, 2015, 05:22:20 PM
He will improve at West Brom.  Feeding off scraps and making something of nothing are a strikers stock in trade.  As Vassassin and others have pointed out other aspects of his game can also be worked upon developing a versatility that could stand him in good stead in the future. His emotional development can only improve also by a sympathetic understanding of the pros and cons of the career he has chosen. I think both TP and JP for that matter can help him to understand pragmatism  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on August 26, 2015, 05:23:12 PM
I'm not sure I trust Rondon and Lambert to get the goals to keep us up...

Both need time to adapt and get up to speed, i think they will come good.

That said if Saido goes i would hope we sign someone like Austin, you can't really have too many strikers in this league.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 26, 2015, 05:31:27 PM
Both need time to adapt and get up to speed, i think they will come good.

That said if Saido goes i would hope we sign someone like Austin, you can't really have too many strikers in this league.

I agree with all of that, but the issue isn't the strikers I feel, It's the lack of ammo we're giving them.

A quality left winger is a must for me, otherwise we're in trouble.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 26, 2015, 06:02:04 PM
It would be nice to think, if the Spurs thing doesn't come off, that it has been explained to him that another good season with us may result in a Euros selection next summer. A decent performance on that stage could result in any number of suitors showing an interest. All depends on how ambitious he is, I suppose.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 26, 2015, 06:47:17 PM
Sounds like his rehabilitation into the side is going well....

Link: Saido Berahino nears West Brom exit as he cuts ties from the club on social media (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/saido-berahino-nears-west-brom-6326121)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on August 26, 2015, 06:52:11 PM
Sounds like his rehabilitation into the side is going well....

Link: Saido Berahino nears West Brom exit as he cuts ties from the club on social media (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/saido-berahino-nears-west-brom-6326121)
That is plain stupidity and will not give him any leverage, only hate from the Albion fans. I get handing in a transfer request and remaining silent, that is the professional way to do things, but alienating yourself before you leave is not a good move.

If you look at Morgan Schneiderlin, he did a similar thing last season and was practically begging to go to Spurs, but Southampton resisted. In the end he had a great season, signed for Man Utd who are bigger and probably earns more money, everyone's a winner.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 26, 2015, 07:06:11 PM
Sounds like his rehabilitation into the side is going well....

Link: Saido Berahino nears West Brom exit as he cuts ties from the club on social media (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/saido-berahino-nears-west-brom-6326121)


A bit daft really, all it means is he wont see anything that the official site and dirivatives publishes on twitter, unless he blocks them, they will still see all his tweets.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 26, 2015, 07:09:37 PM
And to think we thought his agent was the cause of his bellendery.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on August 26, 2015, 07:37:48 PM
Funnily enough, Tottenham are meant to be signing a 23 year old Korean striker from Leverkusen for 30 million Euros. Surely this would squash their interest in Berahino? They also spent £11 million on a winger last week, so I couldn't see them getting three very expensive players. If so, it would realistically rule Spurs out of the chase.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on August 26, 2015, 07:46:58 PM
Who knows what's going on with him? I would assume he is off and we are more than likely talking to more than just the spuds, with a view to a deal!
As he has removed himself from our official Twitter, does that mean that we may have got a deal for him but it's not out in the open yet? Does it mean he is just being a douche again?
One things for sure, we going to find out in the next few days!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on August 26, 2015, 07:48:45 PM
Spurs forum says a third bid of 23m plus add ons has been made. Maybe right, maybe be bullshine.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggiesFacts on August 26, 2015, 07:53:38 PM
Can't wait to get this ungrateful child out of our club. His attitude stinks. He has absolutely no affinity with our support and there are reasons why.

If I were to bet on it, I'd say a move to one of the Manchester clubs for £26m-£28m on deadline day.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on August 26, 2015, 08:11:31 PM
Can't wait to get this ungrateful child out of our club. His attitude stinks. He has absolutely no affinity with our support and there are reasons why.

If I were to bet on it, I'd say a move to one of the Manchester clubs for £26m-£28m on deadline day.

Personally dont think he's good enough for the Manchester clubs. Think Spurs will come back with £25m and we will sell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on August 26, 2015, 08:14:08 PM
Keep the brat for another year no means no Danial. If he plays silly buggers there will be no interest from anyone, keeps his head down has a good season then let the toss pot go for as much money as possible win win for Albion
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on August 26, 2015, 08:17:05 PM
im passed fxxxxxg caring. wba will exist long after this child minded tool has disappeared.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 26, 2015, 08:19:49 PM
I reckon his mums taken his crayons and phone off him now for being a bad boy
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on August 26, 2015, 08:26:34 PM
And to think we thought his agent was the cause of his bellendery.
I'm not sure if bellendery is an actual word... but it's a like from me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on August 26, 2015, 08:27:48 PM
Hope he stays for another season, head and shoulders above anyone in the squad.

Can't believe grown men are throwing their toys out the pram because he's unfollowed us on Twitter, it is comedy gold  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on August 26, 2015, 08:29:24 PM
If it is true that Spurs are going to move on from him, it is a very important lesson to young footballers. Spurs spent 4 weeks tapping him up in the media before putting in 2 offers they knew would not be accepted in the current market.

To then move on after such a long period of tapping up should me a reminder to players that they should not "over-play" their hand and should just be more patient with their careers.

If he is as good as he thinks he is, he will continue to score the goals he did last season and will become a genuine 25 million striker, wanted by champions league clubs. His antics over the last week however will not be good for his development.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 26, 2015, 08:59:27 PM
Funnily enough, Tottenham are meant to be signing a 23 year old Korean striker from Leverkusen for 30 million Euros. Surely this would squash their interest in Berahino? They also spent £11 million on a winger last week, so I couldn't see them getting three very expensive players. If so, it would realistically rule Spurs out of the chase.

Lots of Spurs fans suggesting that will force our hand as a smoke screen. Are they really that stupid?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on August 26, 2015, 09:21:05 PM
Interesting that Spurs are now saying that they may move on, I don't think that'll force through the deal!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34069477
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 26, 2015, 09:47:06 PM
He gave Aidy Ward notice of termination, but the notice period doesn't run out till November

I expect he will still have someone representing him with Ward getting a slice of the pie should he move.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on August 26, 2015, 09:48:52 PM
Interesting that Spurs are now saying that they may move on, I don't think that'll force through the deal!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34069477

We try those tactics and it need works for us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 26, 2015, 09:51:32 PM
We try those tactics and it need works for us

If that is their intention then it won't work for them either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on August 26, 2015, 10:11:08 PM
I know it's easy to get irritated by Bera's attitude, but the club need to keep focussed on what Albion's interest is. We need goal scorers and creative players. Since TP has come in, we seem to have become more defensive minded, with still talk of more central defenders and another keeper coming in. Surely after 120 minutes Port Vale it must be obvious we have a problem scoring. Only 2 goals in 4 games. Bera can score goals. It's a very important skill in football. If he is to go, we have to get top dollar for him, and we have to be able to replace those goals somehow. If it gets to the last day and we don't have an adequate replacement lined up, we have to hold on to him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 26, 2015, 10:28:27 PM
The deal will go through on deadline day for £25m with Spurs being given special dispensation to conclude the deal after 18:00.

Thats what my moneys on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 26, 2015, 10:31:37 PM
I'd sell him tomorrow for 22/23 and go get Phillips or Gray.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 26, 2015, 10:56:39 PM
Will be in the squad sat and will have signed a new contract next week
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 26, 2015, 10:57:52 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/3iidua/wba_you_got_levyd/?utm_content=coys&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Apparently we've been 'reverse Levy'd' (which sounds like a complicated sexual manouver) and will be forced to lower our price so we don't miss out. Did they miss the part where we said we don't want to sell?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on August 26, 2015, 11:21:08 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/3iidua/wba_you_got_levyd/?utm_content=coys&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Apparently we've been 'reverse Levy'd' (which sounds like a complicated sexual manouver) and will be forced to lower our price so we don't miss out. Did they miss the part where we said we don't want to sell?
Half the fans on reddit are yanks anyway so I wouldn't take much notice. Besides, Levy is massively over-rated by Spurs fans, yes he's had the likes of Modric/Bale in but he also paid £30 million for Lamela and co.
You're very right in saying we don't need to sell Berahino, so if that makes Spurs 'win' then it's a very nice defeat.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 26, 2015, 11:22:57 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/3iidua/wba_you_got_levyd/?utm_content=coys&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Apparently we've been 'reverse Levy'd' (which sounds like a complicated sexual manouver) and will be forced to lower our price so we don't miss out. Did they miss the part where we said we don't want to sell?

Sounds more like they are trying to comfort themselves and are in total denial that once more the only person that Levy has shafted are their own fans.  We on the other hand are waiting patiently :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: amathews3416 on August 26, 2015, 11:43:48 PM
Spurs are in the process of selling Erik Lamela to Inter and Son is supposed to be his replacement.

From all indications, Spurs will still want to sign SB.  Has deadline day written all over it. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on August 27, 2015, 08:35:36 AM
Lots of Spurs fans suggesting that will force our hand as a smoke screen. Are they really that stupid?

Yes obviously they are.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mikehy on August 27, 2015, 08:44:22 AM
I know I am in the minority but I think we should sell. If you take out goals against lower clubs like Newport and Gateshead plus penalties I don't think his goal scorning is exceptional. Think we could get better with 22 million
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 27, 2015, 08:46:11 AM
I agree he is over rated, but who else have we got up front to partner Rondon? We need a "goal hanger".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on August 27, 2015, 08:46:54 AM
I hope that we can move on SB before deadline day, we need time to get a replacement as we don't want to have a panic deadline day again and get players in that are a waste of money. This whole saga is getting monotonous now SB obviously had a self destruct button, the club have supported him from his tragic beginnings and the hippie crack and drink driving situation's and for what loyalty, I know that people say that there is none in football but SB needs to sort himself out as if he goes to Spurs and the bright lights of London and steps out of line the press down there will hang him out to dry. If they have offered £23 million with add ons take the money now to give us a chance to get in good replacements well before Tuesdays deadline.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 27, 2015, 08:47:55 AM
get rid hes trouble, the supporters will turn on him. what a tit for unfollowing his employer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 27, 2015, 09:10:06 AM
I hope that we can move on SB before deadline day, we need time to get a replacement as we don't want to have a panic deadline day again and get players in that are a waste of money. This whole saga is getting monotonous now SB obviously had a self destruct button, the club have supported him from his tragic beginnings and the hippie crack and drink driving situation's and for what loyalty, I know that people say that there is none in football but SB needs to sort himself out as if he goes to Spurs and the bright lights of London and steps out of line the press down there will hang him out to dry. If they have offered £23 million with add ons take the money now to give us a chance to get in good replacements well before Tuesdays deadline.

As I understand it, they have offered £22 million including add-ons, but the add-ons are performance & appearance related , so they're not really add-ons, they're conditions. The base value is unacceptable to us. They would have to change their position quite dramatically for us to show any interest at all, if my understanding of the THFC offer is correct.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on August 27, 2015, 09:20:28 AM
I hope that we can move on SB before deadline day, we need time to get a replacement as we don't want to have a panic deadline day again and get players in that are a waste of money. This whole saga is getting monotonous now SB obviously had a self destruct button, the club have supported him from his tragic beginnings and the hippie crack and drink driving situation's and for what loyalty, I know that people say that there is none in football but SB needs to sort himself out as if he goes to Spurs and the bright lights of London and steps out of line the press down there will hang him out to dry. If they have offered £23 million with add ons take the money now to give us a chance to get in good replacements well before Tuesdays deadline.
I agree,we are in danger of overplaying our hand here.  We need a couple of days to sort out other deals properly, not while players are on the motorway on Monday night.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on August 27, 2015, 09:22:11 AM
As I understand it, they have offered £22 million including add-ons, but the add-ons are performance & appearance related , so they're not really add-ons, they're conditions. The base value is unacceptable to us. They would have to change their position quite dramatically for us to show any interest at all, if my understanding of the THFC offer is correct.

Fair enough but do we want to keep a player who clearly does not want to play for us?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 27, 2015, 09:35:21 AM
Fair enough but do we want to keep a player who clearly does not want to play for us?

there is a difference between handing in a transfer request and not wanting to play for a team. Yes he'd like to be allowed to leave but I'm sure if he is still here after the window shuts he will be professional enough to get his head down and play...after all wasn't it Pulis who decided he wasn't right to play against Chelsea rather than Berahino himself?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 27, 2015, 09:37:12 AM
there is a difference between handing in a transfer request and not wanting to play for a team. Yes he'd like to be allowed to leave but I'm sure if he is still here after the window shuts he will be professional enough to get his head down and play...after all wasn't it Pulis who decided he wasn't right to play against Chelsea rather than Berahino himself?

Agree he will be fine, its in his best interests to be professional if he does not get his move. Dawson also had a transfer request rejected.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on August 27, 2015, 09:42:13 AM
there is a difference between handing in a transfer request and not wanting to play for a team. Yes he'd like to be allowed to leave but I'm sure if he is still here after the window shuts he will be professional enough to get his head down and play...after all wasn't it Pulis who decided he wasn't right to play against Chelsea rather than Berahino himself?

Berahino has a major attitude problem as we have seen in the past and he would be more likely in my opinion to throw his toys out of the pram than be professional and get his head down and play, he is a disruptive influence at the club and no doubt in the dressing room and needs moving on now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: staticboy on August 27, 2015, 09:47:45 AM
If you would be professional to carry on playing for your team when the window shuts. Why would you un-follow them on Twitter?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 27, 2015, 09:49:44 AM
Fair enough but do we want to keep a player who clearly does not want to play for us?

Have you ever been in a situation where you stubbornly refused to do something because you didn't think it would work for you. Then someone persuaded you to give it a go, & hey!, it did work for you.
If the alleged reports are true, Saido would be offered a deal at THFC which would be worth around£10 million to him, he'd be mad not to be attracted by that.
On the other hand, with the amount of money we're spending this window, I would think we could offer him a similar package, with a release clause, which would take the reward component out of the equation.
Which then brings us on to his personal development, we have to convince him that he would be better served by staying with us, something his ex u21 Manager Gareth Southgate, suported yesterday. To get into the international set-up he needs to be playing regularly. With us, he'd be the first name on the team sheet, I'm not sure that would be the case at THFC.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 27, 2015, 09:52:12 AM
If you would be professional to carry on playing for your team when the window shuts. Why would you un-follow them on Twitter?

I'm not sure he did, Twitter's pretty insecure.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on August 27, 2015, 09:54:09 AM
If you would be professional to carry on playing for your team when the window shuts. Why would you un-follow them on Twitter?

Great point he clearly has no interest in playing for us. I also forgot the mention the Gateshead FA Cup match where he refused to celebrate his goals. Get as much as we can urgently and say good riddance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on August 27, 2015, 09:58:04 AM
Great point he clearly has no interest in playing for us. I also forgot the mention the Gateshead FA Cup match where he refused to celebrate his goals. Get as much as we can urgently and say good riddance.

That was because he was injured and didn't want to play against a lower league/non-league team when we should have been able to get by without him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 27, 2015, 09:59:03 AM
Great point he clearly has no interest in playing for us. I also forgot the mention the Gateshead FA Cup match where he refused to celebrate his goals. Get as much as we can urgently and say good riddance.
Berahino has a major attitude problem as we have seen in the past and he would be more likely in my opinion to throw his toys out of the pram than be professional and get his head down and play, he is a disruptive influence at the club and no doubt in the dressing room and needs moving on now.

Who says he has a major attitude problem? Not according to Pulis he doesn't.

it's was reported at the time that he didn't celebrate the goals against Gateshead as he was being "professional" and didn't want to rub it in. Anichebe didn't celebrate his either or the 2 he got against Brum..does he not want to play for us either then?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 27, 2015, 10:03:55 AM
Who says he has a major attitude problem? Not according to Pulis he doesn't.
That would be the same Pulis who said in last Friday's press conference that there was no problem at all with Berahino and then left him out of the squad on Sunday?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 27, 2015, 10:06:57 AM
That would be the same Pulis who said in last Friday's press conference that there was no problem at all with Berahino and then left him out of the squad on Sunday?


spot on, Saido is an attitude  problem
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 27, 2015, 10:10:17 AM
Who says he has a major attitude problem? Not according to Pulis he doesn't.

it's was reported at the time that he didn't celebrate the goals against Gateshead as he was being "professional" and didn't want to rub it in. Anichebe didn't celebrate his either or the 2 he got against Brum..does he not want to play for us either then?

There's none so blind as they who will not see.
What do you expect Pulis to say? That he's a complete and utter tosser.
He's a young kid with loads of spare cash so his mindset is automatically adjusted.
We sent him out on loan, he was sent back with 'attitude' problems.
He's been nurtured by the club from a young age so there should be a degree of loyalty and understanding somewhere.
He goes on the lash, gets a driving ban, does the illegal high shenanigans asks for a move throw dummy out of pram blah blah blah!
He want's to go so we need to get the best price for him and let him go.
If we don't get ready for a repeat performance in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on August 27, 2015, 10:15:04 AM
As stated there have been examples of his poor attitude since making his name at the club, which has caused bad publicity for us. He clearly thinks that he can do what he wants and is not bothered about getting the club such poor publicity.
Move him on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on August 27, 2015, 10:22:46 AM
Hopefully Mozza will take him aside and give him a thick ear at some point during this tawdry saga.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 27, 2015, 11:05:46 AM
There's none so blind as they who will not see.
What do you expect Pulis to say? That he's a complete and utter tosser.
He's a young kid with loads of spare cash so his mindset is automatically adjusted.
We sent him out on loan, he was sent back with 'attitude' problems.
He's been nurtured by the club from a young age so there should be a degree of loyalty and understanding somewhere.
He goes on the lash, gets a driving ban, does the illegal high shenanigans asks for a move throw dummy out of pram blah blah blah!
He want's to go so we need to get the best price for him and let him go.
If we don't get ready for a repeat performance in January.

Apart from handing in a request all the things you mention happened before Pulis came in, since then his attitude has apparantly been very good and it's not just Pulis saying it though is it? A number of times players said that his attitude had changed and that he was more popular in the dressing room  than before.

Why would people say things that aren't true? They could just say nothing at all.

There might be none so blind as they who will not see, but equally there are none so guillable as those who will believe anything as gospel.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 27, 2015, 11:12:44 AM
That would be the same Pulis who said in last Friday's press conference that there was no problem at all with Berahino and then left him out of the squad on Sunday?
Things can change in 2 days.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 27, 2015, 11:20:48 AM
Wanyama has now unfollowed Southampton on twitter.
Common link? They're both Spurs targets.
Twitter's not very secure?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 27, 2015, 11:39:21 AM
Things can change in 2 days.
It was you who was claiming there's no problem with his attitude, not me!  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 12:11:58 PM
Lots of Spurs fans suggesting that will force our hand as a smoke screen. Are they really that stupid?

Have you seen the wanabee z lister idiot on Twitter with his #FreeBerahino and calling us a tin pot club at every turn ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on August 27, 2015, 12:53:26 PM
Have you seen the wanabee z lister idiot on Twitter with his #FreeBerahino and calling us a tin pot club at every turn ?
There seems to be an awful lot of underhand business coming out of that club. They clearly know how to unsettle him and have already cost us one or three points in my humble against Chelsea. Maybe this is why TP aludes to a "messy window" that he can't wait to close so we can get on with the season? >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 27, 2015, 01:16:58 PM
It was you who was claiming there's no problem with his attitude, not me!  :)

Wasn't it Pulis who decided that he couldn't play not Berahino himself, so there might not have been a problem from Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 27, 2015, 01:24:46 PM
Wasn't it Pulis who decided that he couldn't play not Berahino himself, so there might not have been a problem from Berahino.
If Pulis feels that he can't play Berahino, then that's a problem in my book and must stem from something that Pulis has observed in Berahino's actions and/or general demeanour.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on August 27, 2015, 01:26:56 PM
Have you seen the wanabee z lister idiot on Twitter with his #FreeBerahino and calling us a tin pot club at every turn ?
You know the more I think about this the more I think it is bang out of order and someone needs to get on top of it and stamp it out.  Given Saido's personal family history I personally think that this is nothing short of psychological abuse. This from a club that is always ready to take the moral high ground when similar ethnic issues are levelled against them. Hypocrisy or what?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on August 27, 2015, 01:28:50 PM
As stated there have been examples of his poor attitude since making his name at the club, which has caused bad publicity for us. He clearly thinks that he can do what he wants and is not bothered about getting the club such poor publicity.
Move him on.

He also caused a bit of bother at Northampton and Brentford. Not forgetting him walking round like Billy big balls when he linked up with England.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 27, 2015, 02:07:31 PM
If Pulis feels that he can't play Berahino, then that's a problem in my book and must stem from something that Pulis has observed in Berahino's actions and/or general demeanour.

I have given this some thought and assumed it's to stop Berahino doing something stupid and keep him out of the lime light. After the window closes I would expect it to be back to normal if he is still here. Clearly he is a young lad and easily influenced, post the window closing the biggest influence will be TP and the team and he should return back on the straight and narrow.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on August 27, 2015, 02:07:48 PM
He also caused a bit of bother at Northampton and Brentford. Not forgetting him walking round like Billy big balls when he linked up with England.

Not heard anything about this or saw any story at all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 27, 2015, 02:28:43 PM
Not heard anything about this or saw any story at all.

I remember hearing that, some of the senior squad made comments about how he thought he was something special.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 27, 2015, 02:30:09 PM
There were quite a few comments about at the time including if I remember some from local journos, not sure.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 27, 2015, 04:12:16 PM
He's another Odemwingie in the making sadly, get rid. Ticking time bomb.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 27, 2015, 06:18:57 PM
Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star 56s57 seconds ago

BREAKING: Jeremy Peace has met Saido Berahino and told him he will not be leaving in this transfer window. #wba
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 27, 2015, 06:25:34 PM
Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star 56s57 seconds ago

BREAKING: Jeremy Peace has met Saido Berahino and told him he will not be leaving in this transfer window. #wba

Very interesting to see how it develops from here !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MICKYMEL on August 27, 2015, 06:32:42 PM
Truly shocked he's staying. Means no Austin but does it hamper other deals?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on August 27, 2015, 06:36:15 PM
Fantastic news!! Thats another season secured in the league whatever. Hoping to see him start Saturday!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 27, 2015, 06:41:43 PM
Same delighted get him in the team Saturday, Life goes on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 27, 2015, 06:43:56 PM
Still think he will go if Spurs or some other club meet our valuation. Interesting times, win win for us either way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 27, 2015, 06:44:21 PM
Club statement in full

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-berahino-2651741.aspx


Talks held with striker today

CHAIRMAN Jeremy Peace today ruled out the prospect of Saido Berahino leaving Albion during this summer’s transfer window.

Peace met with the 22-year-old striker at the Club's training ground this afternoon following two rejected bids for the player from Tottenham Hotspur.

Peace said: “I have informed Saido that he will not be transferred during this summer window and that he is staying at the club.

“As I have made clear from the moment Tottenham lodged their first bid for Saido on August 18, selling our top goalscorer was never on our agenda this summer.

“Our plans have always been based on Saido being part of our squad for the 2015-16 season.

“But there are two other good reasons why he will not be sold.

“Firstly, had we ever entertained the notion of selling him we have not received an offer anywhere near attractive enough from Tottenham Hotspur.

“Not only have the offers been too low as a valuation of the player, but they have been based on stage-payments and add-ons over a long period which do nothing to reflect Saido’s ability and potential.”

The Chairman was also critical of the timing of Tottenham’s bids, beginning as they did with only two weeks remaining of the summer transfer window.

Peace added: “I have the greatest respect for Daniel Levy but he must surely appreciate we would have needed to replace Saido had he left and no consideration of that position has been reflected by Tottenham’s strategy.

“It has contributed to our completing our last two games without a key player.

“I have spoken to Saido and of course I have sympathy for him. He has been unsettled and distracted by all this and I understand that.

“But I have strongly advised him to put this behind him and get back to what he does best which is to work hard for the team and score goals for Albion.”


Colours well and truly nailed to the mast. Very difficult for him to be sold now unless Spurs come in with a bid of a completely different magnitude
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on August 27, 2015, 06:44:46 PM
Don't mess with JP.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 27, 2015, 06:45:27 PM
Up to Saido now to show Spurs were wrong to haggle over a few million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on August 27, 2015, 06:47:10 PM
Right trundle on spuds, total disruption and unprofessional on your part. I hope your a striker short now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on August 27, 2015, 06:53:51 PM
Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star 56s57 seconds ago

BREAKING: Jeremy Peace has met Saido Berahino and told him he will not be leaving in this transfer window. #wba

You have to ask yourself why this has leaked from a watertight club? It's all part of the game the two clubs are playing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 27, 2015, 06:57:10 PM
You have to ask yourself why this has leaked from a watertight club? It's all part of the game the two clubs are playing.
It's on the os
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 27, 2015, 06:57:37 PM
You have to ask yourself why this has leaked from a watertight club? It's all part of the game the two clubs are playing.

It hasn't leaked it's an official statement. I like your info mate but if Jezza says he's staying then that'll do for me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on August 27, 2015, 06:59:57 PM
Its all up to the player now! Up to him to show us is he a man or is he a boy!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 27, 2015, 07:00:38 PM
Anybody think Berahino will listen to JP??
Yeahh like hek
Wonder how long before we get another strop and we look to get rid in January?

PS
Hope we get Phillips
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 27, 2015, 07:04:07 PM
Anybody think Berahino will listen to JP??
Yeahh like hek
Wonder how long before we get another strop and we look to get rid in January?

PS
Hope we get Phillips
If he throws a strop for half the season he can kiss goodbye to making the squad for the euros.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 27, 2015, 07:04:42 PM
Anybody think Berahino will listen to JP??
Yeahh like hek
Wonder how long before we get another strop and we look to get rid in January?

PS
Hope we get Phillips

Makes no sense for him to do anything other than knuckle down, he's not a name like Tevez so cannot risk the elite group of clubs he wants to get in to turning elsewhere because of his attitude.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on August 27, 2015, 07:04:57 PM
So we won't be buying any strikers will we .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on August 27, 2015, 07:07:08 PM
So we won't be buying any strikers will we .


If he's playing for an England place we won't need one
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 27, 2015, 07:08:10 PM
Maybe drawing a line under this is Peace's way of stopping other clubs from holding out for extra cash for our targets.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Xpresso on August 27, 2015, 07:10:42 PM
Great statement from JP, showing up Spurs and Daniel Levy as real cheapskates in this affair.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on August 27, 2015, 07:17:39 PM
tit for tat, spurs say they are looking else where then JP makes a statement telling the world and spurs he is staying, for me I think there is a bit of poker being played here and Levy and Peace are waiting for each other to bluff.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on August 27, 2015, 07:19:13 PM
He ain't going anywhere
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 27, 2015, 07:19:44 PM
Pots and Kettles spring to mind. What are the chances of us trying to poach some other teams best player on the cheap with little time for them to find a replacement eh?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 27, 2015, 07:20:19 PM
Thought the depth Peace has gone into describing the deal offered by Spurs was pretty good . Outlined just a poor offer . Move on , nothing to see here
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 27, 2015, 07:22:19 PM
He ain't going anywhere

Didn't 'Trev' the Shed' say something similar regarding Ardilles?

"This boy from the Black Country will break their fingers".

Can't imagine JP doing the same somehow, liked his statement though.
 :).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: macc_baggie on August 27, 2015, 07:23:47 PM
It hasn't leaked it's an official statement. I like your info mate but if Jezza says he's staying then that'll do for me.

I don't think he meant leaked in that sense.

My assumption would be that Peace has said it to essentially make a point to Spurs. The point being, unless you offer us the circa 25 mil that has been mooted, up front and not drib drab add ons, then he won't be moving.

It also qualms the media speculation and should help keep the focus on the football as opposed to constant transfer speculation.

I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on August 27, 2015, 07:29:49 PM
Can someone please reply to the "Peace has been reverse Levy'd" Spurs forum informing them that they've have in fact been Peace'd

Levy vs Peace, this is truly a Clash of the TIGHTans  :D


Ah ah Spurs message boards comical
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 27, 2015, 07:31:28 PM
Can someone please reply to the "Peace has been reverse Levy'd" Spurs forum informing them that they've have in fact been Peace'd

Levy vs Peace, this is truly a Clash of the TIGHTans  :D

LOL like that  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on August 27, 2015, 07:34:32 PM
Can someone please reply to the "Peace has been reverse Levy'd" Spurs forum informing them that they've have in fact been Peace'd

Levy vs Peace, this is truly a Clash of the TIGHTans  :D



Which bald eagle will land
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: orville on August 27, 2015, 07:41:48 PM
It shows what a good job JP as done for this club, we are in a position now we can't be push around by so called "bigger clubs". We are financially sound and don't after sell our prized assets to make ends meet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 27, 2015, 07:43:10 PM
I'll tell you straight up, this is just a response to Spurs tactics. If somebody offers 30m or close to, Berahino will be gone by Tuesday night. Doubt he will end up at Spurs as I don't think they can afford to meet his asking price without sacrificing other positions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on August 27, 2015, 07:44:10 PM
You have to love Jeremy. He is a God amongst men.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on August 27, 2015, 07:44:51 PM
I hope he still goes but not to Spurs
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 27, 2015, 07:45:27 PM
I'll tell you straight up, this is just a response to Spurs tactics. If somebody offers 30m or close to, Berahino will be gone by Tuesday night. Doubt he will end up at Spurs as I don't think they can afford to meet his asking price without sacrificing other positions.

For sure, not much has changed really. Spurs fans piling on the pressure on Levy now, will he crack? Was a very clever statement.

Whatever happens, even if Berahino still leaves. Peace has won, will mean we got what we want.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on August 27, 2015, 07:47:42 PM
I don't care if he stays or goes. JP is doing his absolute best for Albion, and if Saido ws half as committed he'd be twice the player he is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on August 27, 2015, 07:57:02 PM
Win win move from JP  , either Spurs stump up or another club gazumps them or Saido stays with TP behind him and an eye on the euros.Great move from JP.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 27, 2015, 08:01:40 PM
For sure, not much has changed really. Spurs fans piling on the pressure on Levy now, will he crack? Was a very clever statement.

Whatever happens, even if Berahino still leaves. Peace has won, will mean we got what we want.

Of course he will have. £25m better off and no time to reinvest it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yardley on August 27, 2015, 08:01:56 PM
I think JP will keep him and then offer him a 50k per week contract with a £30 million buy out clause. That way saido gets the money he would have got at Spurs and a potential move in the next window if he stays focussed and plays well. And there will be no messing around with bids. Would be similar to the benteke deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: macc_baggie on August 27, 2015, 08:05:10 PM
I think JP will keep him and then offer him a 50k per week contract with a £30 million buy out clause. That way saido gets the money he would have got at Spurs and a potential move in the next window if he stays focussed and plays well. And there will be no messing around with bids. Would be similar to the benteke deal.

And the Bony one.

Signed a new contract over the summer with an acceptable release clause in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 27, 2015, 08:05:52 PM
I agree with all of that, but the issue isn't the strikers I feel, It's the lack of ammo we're giving them.

A quality left winger is a must for me, otherwise we're in trouble.

Yes. It's a supply thing for sure.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dubliner on August 27, 2015, 08:09:51 PM
Guardian piece with a load of unattributed guff about how unhappy Spurs are -

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/27/west-bromwich-albion-saido-berahino-tottenham-hotspur?CMP=share_btn_tw
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lib on August 27, 2015, 08:23:49 PM
I have ever growing respect for JP. That's how arrogant top 6 clubs and their owners should be handled.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 27, 2015, 08:30:19 PM
Probably get 10 million in January as we won't want to let him go on a free.

I'm glad he's staying as takes some weight of rondons shoulders and gives him time to settle.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 27, 2015, 08:32:01 PM
great stuff by the club.

And Spurs were the first ones putting out the feelers in the press weeks ago about Berahino.

Surely if they had been talking for weeks prior to the bid they would have known what we wanted so to bid only 2 weeks before the window closes and not bid what we wanted was doing exactly what they wanted to do...unsettle the player!

He stays and knuckles down and scores goals and I guarantee he will be at a Top 4 club next summer with not even a murmur from me he will have deserved his move, but to goto Spurs who will win as much as we will this season and finish what 5-6 places above us is nothing more than a sideways step....move to a top4 club Saido and not the also-rans that Spurs are
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 27, 2015, 08:33:47 PM
Probably get 10 million in January as we won't want to let him go on a free.

I'm glad he's staying as takes some weight of rondons shoulders and gives him time to settle.

He still has 2 years. I think he will sign a new contract anyway if he stays, maybe with a release clause.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 27, 2015, 08:40:22 PM
He's not going to want to be on 15k for the next 2 years. He'll sign a new contract if he's not sold.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on August 27, 2015, 08:41:30 PM
Any think the statement is a part of negotiation strategy ? He will still be sold on deadline day.

After all it's difficult to hold a player who is desperate to leave.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on August 27, 2015, 08:49:39 PM
He's not going to want to be on 15k for the next 2 years. He'll sign a new contract if he's not sold.
Goes without saying that will happen as they don't need a disgruntled player I think he'll go January myself. Best thing he can is shopwindow himself by scoring. Been a hard month for the club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on August 27, 2015, 08:50:35 PM
Well done JP and his Everton counterpart Bill Kenwright for digging in their heels and rejecting pressure from key players and their agents to move on to probably more lucrative deals. When players sign contracts they should adhere to them apart from exceptional circumstances or with the permission of their parent club. Club power should always rule over player/agent power.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alwaysbilly on August 27, 2015, 09:02:57 PM
Well done JP and his Everton counterpart Bill Kenwright for digging in their heels and rejecting pressure from key players and their agents to move on to probably more lucrative deals. When players sign contracts they should adhere to them apart from exceptional circumstances or with the permission of their parent club. Club power should always rule over player/agent power.
Lets hope this is something WBA and Everton can look back on and say they have started a trend on - so called bigger clubs (Spurs lol) or the real top 4 (never spurs) being told NO, for the benefit of the player to carry on progressing, get England caps and be ready to step up to Champions League and actually benefit our England team. In the meantime performing well and entertaining our clubs, rather than rotting on the bench and never seeing an England call up again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mig on August 27, 2015, 09:13:18 PM
Honestly, I think we should sell him. Don't get me wrong, i think Saido is brilliant and in an ideal world would never dream of selling him. But this isn't an ideal world and I can only see this ending badly for us and potentially him.

Firstly, I don't begrudge him the move. There's a pride you get when an academy player makes it through the system that I never had the chance to experience before. Genuinely proud of him and the club. He could have done an Izzy Brown or Jerome Sinclair and left us for more money before he kicked a ball for the first team. The way I see it, he kept us up last year and arguably the year before that so really has paid any debt that we might think he owes us.

Spurs are bigger and better than us. It is a genuine step up. The league is becoming more competitive and so yes, it's harder for Spurs to make Europe than previously. But they are still probably 6th best in the Prem and have a better shot than most. And if anyone thinks we can make Europe, just look at how we have started. I'd rather he went to United and I believe he is good enough to succeed there but why stay here for another relegation fight. Whether he sees Spurs as a long-term move or a stepping stone, it is progress for him.

That brings me to my next point which is more about us than Saido. If he wants out, which we know he does, it will likely have a negative impact on his performances. Even if it doesn't, Pulis-ball hardly creates chances for him. So if he stays, he scores fewer this season than last. This means his value goes down, even if we stay up. And on that note, maybe I'm a pessimist, but I really think we are in one hell of a fight to retain prem status this year. Say we go down and look to sell next Summer, what would we get? £12 million, maybe £15m? So in my mind, whether we get £22m, £25m, this transfer window will see us get the biggest offers for Saido we will ever get.

Truly sad to say this but now is the time for him to go, and if he does, I will always be pleased to see him score (as long as it's not against us).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on August 27, 2015, 09:30:00 PM
Honestly, I think we should sell him. Don't get me wrong, i think Saido is brilliant and in an ideal world would never dream of selling him. But this isn't an ideal world and I can only see this ending badly for us and potentially him.

Firstly, I don't begrudge him the move. There's a pride you get when an academy player makes it through the system that I never had the chance to experience before. Genuinely proud of him and the club. He could have done an Izzy Brown or Jerome Sinclair and left us for more money before he kicked a ball for the first team. The way I see it, he kept us up last year and arguably the year before that so really has paid any debt that we might think he owes us.

Spurs are bigger and better than us. It is a genuine step up. The league is becoming more competitive and so yes, it's harder for Spurs to make Europe than previously. But they are still probably 6th best in the Prem and have a better shot than most. And if anyone thinks we can make Europe, just look at how we have started. I'd rather he went to United and I believe he is good enough to succeed there but why stay here for another relegation fight. Whether he sees Spurs as a long-term move or a stepping stone, it is progress for him.

That brings me to my next point which is more about us than Saido. If he wants out, which we know he does, it will likely have a negative impact on his performances. Even if it doesn't, Pulis-ball hardly creates chances for him. So if he stays, he scores fewer this season than last. This means his value goes down, even if we stay up. And on that note, maybe I'm a pessimist, but I really think we are in one hell of a fight to retain prem status this year. Say we go down and look to sell next Summer, what would we get? £12 million, maybe £15m? So in my mind, whether we get £22m, £25m, this transfer window will see us get the biggest offers for Saido we will ever get.

Truly sad to say this but now is the time for him to go, and if he does, I will always be pleased to see him score (as long as it's not against us).

Excellent, realistic post. With our current playing style he will need to make his own chances.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 27, 2015, 09:49:29 PM
It is a strong statement. It makes it clear that Spurs have not offered anything anywhere near what we would deem acceptable and quite frankly they haven't come out of it looking that well after essentially tapping him up via  the press for a month or so.

If he stays then it is in his best interests to get his head clear and then really knuckle down for us. He needs to continue to do well to eventually get a move that I definitely wouldn't begrudge the lad, if he doesn't his development stalls and he will struggle to get a big move down the line.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 27, 2015, 10:27:10 PM
Yes. he has to be moved out. Not "Moved on" as is said.







Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 27, 2015, 10:45:27 PM
Both he and Kane will be a Man Utd by the start of next season....

If Spuds had truly wanted Saido, with their resources, he would have already been signed.

I'm still to be convinced that this wasn't a mess created by media speculation (instigated by his ex agent) for which Levy has only tried to profit from an "unsettled player".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Cleobury_WBA on August 27, 2015, 10:54:49 PM
Good statement from JP and an admirable stance. Still not completely convinced that Saido will stay. Spurs are allegedly only one of several suitors. If United or City come in with £25m on Tuesday then, for all the posturing about not having time for replacements, I think he will go. And I'm certain there is a list of targets drawn up for just this exact scenario. Hopefully not Carlton Cole though! ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SirTonyM on August 27, 2015, 11:15:07 PM
Excellent, realistic post. With our current playing style he will need to make his own chances.

Didn't have a problem last season with this manager.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 28, 2015, 03:08:39 AM
Lets be realistic, a player of his age has some success at this level and he's always going to be a wanted man. He's rightfully ambitious and there is no doubt a move to Spurs would be very appealing and that is without taking a massive pay rise into account. As supporters I think the vast majority would wish him well if he were to move on to better things providing the club benefit from it substantially. Let's remember he's a young lad that isn't really living in the same world as we are, he'll have a little entourage following him around telling him all the things he wants to hear playing to his ego while many of them will encourage a move as they will try to profit from it themselves in some way.

Saido also has to remain realistic and realise that if a club isn't willing to pay what we demand for him then there is nothing he can do to force a move. It's in his best interests to get his head right and knuckle down for us if he's still our player when the deadline passes, if he comes into the side and starts scoring goals that big move will happen sooner rather than later. If he sulks then his development will stall and he'll be lucky if the opportunity to better himself comes around again.

It looks clear that Pochettino really does want to add him to his Spurs side so at the very least I can see them making one final move for him but so far Daniel Levy has been shown up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 28, 2015, 04:42:51 AM
Quote
"I know clubs like City & Chelsea get slated for throwing their vast wealth around... but clubs like West Brom need to take a long hard look at themselves at the greed involved in asking/demanding dis-gust-ing amounts of money for what is, after all, a decent enough (but no more) England U-21 player.
THIRTY MILLION POUNDS?? Just 'because there are some super rich c**nts out there prepared to pay that, doesn't make it any less disgraceful that clubs ask for that... but maybe we are just as bad asking for 80+million for Bale??"

That is the funniest thing I have read in a while :)


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 28, 2015, 07:32:19 AM
Excellent, realistic post. With our current playing style he will need to make his own chances.

Isn't that what good strikers do anyway?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 28, 2015, 07:39:46 AM
"I know clubs like City & Chelsea get slated for throwing their vast wealth around... but clubs like West Brom need to take a long hard look at themselves at the greed involved in asking/demanding dis-gust-ing amounts of money for what is, after all, a decent enough (but no more) England U-21 player.
THIRTY MILLION POUNDS?? Just 'because there are some super rich c**nts out there prepared to pay that, doesn't make it any less disgraceful that clubs ask for that... but maybe we are just as bad asking for 80+million for Bale??"

Just seen this on a Berahino thread in a Spurs forum, so why should we give up our prized asset for a top 6 team to snatch for a low free? What a "dis-gust-ing" attitude these London clubs have, maybe if they didn't just throw money at every talented player the prices wouldn't be so high in the first place?

Also worth noting its a bit rich for a Spurs fan to say that we're wrong for demanding a large fee when they'd likely demand double our 25 million pricetag for ol' 'Arry Kane  ::)

The most amusing thing here of course is Peace has never named a price and never does.  Quite the opposite, he is said he is not for sale. The media speculate and fans that are gullible enough will allow their strings to get pulled, get enraged and type angry messages on forums.  You have to pity them really.  All we know really is that what Levy has offered so far has not been enough even to raise Peace's eyebrow.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on August 28, 2015, 08:05:07 AM
Pochettino now likening it to a failed love affair... Berahino's the only one he loves... well chum, if you take "the one" to Burger King on your first date, don't be surprised if it doesn't work out for you.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 28, 2015, 08:32:42 AM
fair play to both us and Everton for not giving into the big bully boys. obviously heads of our clubs want a piece of next seasons millions
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on August 28, 2015, 08:37:59 AM
fair play to both us and Everton for not giving into the big bully boys. obviously heads of our clubs want a piece of next seasons millions
yes well played Peace and Kenwright - standing up to the London football mafia. It is the time factor as much as anything we woiuld have not had enough time to bring in Austin and Phillips. Levy knew the price all the way through and took Peace for an idiot. He will now have to pabic buy again to placate the long suffering Spurs Fans. The extra £2m we wanted for Saido will now look cheap.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 28, 2015, 09:11:18 AM
a loose lose for us according to some spuds fans :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: we8seals on August 28, 2015, 09:12:15 AM
I would still not be surprised if both SB and Stones were sold before the end of the window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on August 28, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
a loose lose for us according to some spuds fans :o

A loose lose ? What is one of them
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: robbo_wba on August 28, 2015, 09:23:28 AM
Probably get 10 million in January as we won't want to let him go on a free.

I'm glad he's staying as takes some weight of rondons shoulders and gives him time to settle.

Let's get this clear, Saido won't be going on a free. If his contract runs out in 2 years, we will get a sizeable compensation fee from which ever club he moves to, probably around £8-10m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 28, 2015, 09:27:30 AM
The £25m price tag was put on Saido by the media not the club. At no point has anyone from the club stated a price the line has been we don't want to sell but obviously if someone puts in a massive bid that might change. In a world where good championship strikers are going for £10m without ever having played in the Premier League let alone scored £25m for one of the best young strikers in the league is not by any means massive. I now cannot see Saido being sold to Spurs this window.

Obviously the danger is that Saido having been unsettled by the whole saga sulks, I think that is very unwise he is not so well established that his reputation would be undiminished by a poor season. Spurs will move on and won't return unless he has at least a decent season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Uncle Peter on August 28, 2015, 09:29:10 AM
If he stays he'll sign a new contract, mainly because he's on peanuts (relatively speaking of course) upping his salary from £15k to £?? Per week, it'll also have a sizeable buy out clause. Club won't lose out on this at all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 28, 2015, 09:46:12 AM
My conspiracy theory

JP,                Saido you ain't going son

SB,               but, but,

JP,               no listen, you aint going now, because the nice Arab  / Yank from Manchester wants you but at      xmas, so we're going to bump your cash up, put a nice release clause in your contract and come   xmas you and Mom can go house hunting in Cheshire.

SB,              but, but,

JP,                listen son, you are not going to Laandan, you are going to manchester, now do what Tone wants, Roy will be watching you, this time next year you will be with one of the biggest clubs in the world, in the champions league, earning mega- bucks and BTW in the england squad, not playing for the club who want you for peanuts and pay on the never- never,

SB, i'll have to ask me mum, but I like the sound of it boss !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on August 28, 2015, 10:01:27 AM
What goes a round comes around, the top 6 clubs take all the young potential from the rest of league, which makes the quality of other teams lower and then the likes of Saints and West Ham can't get into the Europa League group stages it will affect the UEFA co-efficient which in turn will only mean 3 prem clubs get into the champions league. They then become a lot poorer.

I believe at the moment Italy are only 4 points behind us, if they have a good run again in the CL or Europa League and the English clubs fail miserably again they will overtake England.

I am aware that taking our players can make them better so they win it, but to be honest I prefer my version as they do need Europa league teams to perform better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 28, 2015, 10:05:10 AM
Great stuff by JP but you do worry about Saido's attitude, how long is he going to be sulking over all this...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 28, 2015, 10:06:57 AM
Great stuff by JP but you do worry about Saido's attitude, how long is he going to be sulking over all this...

He can't really afford to, he needs to show his potential suitors and Roy that he's a mature, diligent player.

that said .......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Halesowen12 on August 28, 2015, 10:23:19 AM
Spurs have signed Heung Min-Son from Leverkusen, do they still need Saido? IMO he just needs to get his head down and leave in Jan or next summer when a team like United come knocking
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 28, 2015, 10:28:15 AM
This is where Roy Hodgson as England manager has a massive role to play.    He can tell Saido that he can be a key player for England at the Euros next year, really put himself in the shop window for a top club, and get his dream move,  BUT he has to first show that he has matured and has knuckled down, AND needs to be playing every week and not sitting on the bench at a bigger club.

The club should now be offering him a new £60k a week contract, commensurate with a £25m-£30m player, and include a £30m buy-out clause next summer.

A win-win all round, but if Saido has a problem with being told this by Peace or Pulis,  then a few wise words from Uncle Roy could go a very long way to moving things forward.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: monkey nuts on August 28, 2015, 10:28:56 AM
Spurs have signed Heung Min-Son from Leverkusen, do they still need Saido? IMO he just needs to get his head down and leave in Jan or next summer when a team like United come knocking

they looked at this fellow before as replacement for Bale so more of a winger probably to replace Lamela
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on August 28, 2015, 10:30:25 AM
I suspect that he will sulk, his head will have been turned, and he will not have anything like the successful season that he had last year. And when we do eventually sell him, it will be for less than 25 million. Yes,I had a peak into the future, before anyone asks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 28, 2015, 10:32:37 AM
I suspect that he will sulk, his head will have been turned, and he will not have anything like the successful season that he had last year. And when we do eventually sell him, it will be for less than 25 million. Yes,I had a peak into the future, before anyone asks.

I completely agree I can see the same happening. Especially if we move him from his best position to accommodate Rondon. He will score less and his stock will fall IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bomberblueand white on August 28, 2015, 10:38:08 AM
My conspiracy theory

JP,                Saido you ain't going son

SB,               but, but,

JP,               no listen, you aint going now, because the nice Arab  / Yank from Manchester wants you but at      xmas, so we're going to bump your cash up, put a nice release clause in your contract and come   xmas you and Mom can go house hunting in Cheshire.

SB,              but, but,

JP,                listen son, you are not going to Laandan, you are going to manchester, now do what Tone wants, Roy will be watching you, this time next year you will be with one of the biggest clubs in the world, in the champions league, earning mega- bucks and BTW in the england squad, not playing for the club who want you for peanuts and pay on the never- never,

SB, i'll have to ask me mum, but I like the sound of it boss !






Now that is proper ITK  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 28, 2015, 11:32:54 AM
In one respect I'm glad that both us and Everton have dug their heels in over player transfers.
The players are happy to sign deals one week then as soon as somebody else comes in and offers a few bob more they want to up and go.
Fair play to both clubs.
The flip side is that you could be left with a stroppy little git that throws his toys out of the pram.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on August 28, 2015, 11:51:07 AM
It'll be interesting to see how this pans out. He'll either play out of his skin for us to keep himself in the shop window for his 'dream move', or else he'll lose interest, and form, and devalue himself......the club must be gambling on the former or we'll potentially lose millions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 28, 2015, 12:53:02 PM
Told ya......................going nowhere, not for sale............but did you believe me.

This has restored my faith in JP after the Alan f****g Irvine scandal
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on August 28, 2015, 01:11:35 PM
Told ya......................going nowhere, not for sale............but did you believe me.

This has restored my faith in JP after the Alan f****g Irvine scandal

Time will tell whether this is a JP smoke screen or not!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 28, 2015, 01:33:21 PM
no smoke, its official for me.JPs bollox are at stake if hes sold now without a replacement
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 28, 2015, 01:58:45 PM
Pulos press conference covers a good bit about Saido. He wasn't at the meeting and doesn't know what's been said nor has he read the Chairmans statement. Very very strange and things may be tense behind the scenes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 28, 2015, 01:59:01 PM
my head is spinning now Pulis comes out with i cant guarantee he wont be sold >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 28, 2015, 02:00:59 PM
my head is spinning now Pulis comes out with i cant guarantee he wont be sold >:(

You can't 100% guarantee anything. Someone comes in with a stupid offer then you accept it, doesn't mean you want to sell but at times it makes more sense to sell if the amount offered is way and above.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 28, 2015, 02:03:54 PM
now sky are saying pulis is saying he wont be leaving this window, E&S got it wrong have they?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 28, 2015, 02:08:29 PM
Pulos press conference covers a good bit about Saido. He wasn't at the meeting and doesn't know what's been said nor has he read the Chairmans statement. Very very strange and things may be tense behind the scenes

I've just watched it, there is a chance that things are tense behind the scenes, but I think TP's more frustrated with the "Transfer Window" system, than he is with WBAFC. His problem is, there are so many "balls in the air" he can't plan anything. Can't believe he hasn't been briefed by JP about his meeting with Saido, or isn't up to speed with the progress on transfers. I think the comment he made was just a straight bat answer to a journo's question.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on August 28, 2015, 02:08:46 PM
Saido doesn't want to play for us, that's what everyone who is delighted with Peace's stance seems to be forgetting. He doesn't want to play for us, so his performance will be half hearted, so Pulis won't pick him. Who wins? Does anyone really think he will now buckle down and play out of his skin for us. Dream on. It's Saido we are talking about, not Steven Gerrard
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 28, 2015, 02:10:16 PM
Saido doesn't want to play for us, that's what everyone who is delighted with Peace's stance seems to be forgetting. He doesn't want to play for us, so his performance will be half hearted, so Pulis won't pick him. Who wins? Does anyone really think he will now buckle down and play out of his skin for us. Dream on. It's Saido we are talking about, not Steven Gerrard


well if saido wants to play for england in france i am sure he will perform
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 28, 2015, 02:11:13 PM

well if saido wants to play for england in france i am sure he will perform

If he does play and If he does score I bet we get the Gateshead Sulk
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: orville on August 28, 2015, 02:17:07 PM
If he sulks about with a bad attitude, that will not help him get his dream move toa big club. I'm sure they will watch how he handles this in his play.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on August 28, 2015, 02:23:01 PM
If he doesn't go, then he will probably be offered a fat new contract with a buy out clause at whatever, maybe 30m, this will be made fairly public, then he will have it all to play for, and as long as our Jimmy doesn't stick one on him again, it will work for all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 28, 2015, 02:25:08 PM
Saido doesn't want to play for us, that's what everyone who is delighted with Peace's stance seems to be forgetting. He doesn't want to play for us, so his performance will be half hearted, so Pulis won't pick him. Who wins? Does anyone really think he will now buckle down and play out of his skin for us. Dream on. It's Saido we are talking about, not Steven Gerrard

I don't really care if he wants to play for us or not, I want him to play for him. I want him to get better at what he does game after game. If he does, we will see the benefit & so will he. IMO that's what TP was getting at.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 28, 2015, 02:26:28 PM
Perhaps Pulis wanted the Saido cash to buy a few and this has dented his transfer plans. We will never know what's going on but they have backed him so far and imagine by Tuesday we will have spent £40m which is huge in Albion terms. He is about 3 players short of a decent squad let's hope he gets them. An in form Saido with our other striking options would make for a decent season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 28, 2015, 02:38:57 PM
Few nails hit on the head by posters on here.

1. He wants a big move, he can't afford to sulk and play badly - none of the big clubs will want him if he doesn't perform.

2. He wants to play for England, he has to perform.

3. He wants the move to Tottenham then they have to pay what we want. There's literally nothing he can do to push that transfer through. Sulking, deleting club off twitter, playing badly, etc gets him no closer to the exit.

I, like others, don't care if he doesn't want to play for US this season, but the be all and end all is he HAS to play and HAS to perform for himself if nobody else. Failure to do so means he's no good to anyone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 29, 2015, 12:22:30 AM
Why are Spurs fans still obsessing over this?  The paranoia is well and truly setting in... http://www.tottenhamhotspur-mad.co.uk/feat/ed11/pulis_is_a_hypocrite_869132/index.shtml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 29, 2015, 12:34:13 AM
Why are Spurs fans still obsessing over this?  The paranoia is well and truly setting in... http://www.tottenhamhotspur-mad.co.uk/feat/ed11/pulis_is_a_hypocrite_869132/index.shtml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

It is a shame that there is no option to comment on that colossal piece of excrement. That in a nutshell is why I hate the Internet- all you need to get your opinions out there is a keyboard and a connection, unfortunately you don't need a brain.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Noty Bromway on August 29, 2015, 08:22:37 AM
It is a shame that there is no option to comment on that colossal piece of excrement. That in a nutshell is why I hate the Internet- all you need to get your opinions out there is a keyboard and a connection, unfortunately you don't need a brain.

agreed....this is one season I really hope we beat them, and if saido is here we do it with a hat trick from him  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 29, 2015, 08:52:49 AM
Why are Spurs fans still obsessing over this?  The paranoia is well and truly setting in... http://www.tottenhamhotspur-mad.co.uk/feat/ed11/pulis_is_a_hypocrite_869132/index.shtml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

For me, the Fazio comparison argument doesn't stand up. They want Fazio to leave the club to free up his wages, we want to retain Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on August 29, 2015, 09:23:15 AM
Why are Spurs fans still obsessing over this?  The paranoia is well and truly setting in... http://www.tottenhamhotspur-mad.co.uk/feat/ed11/pulis_is_a_hypocrite_869132/index.shtml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The first part is right. Pulls is a hypocrite for saying Spurs are treating him like a lump of meat because when you put a value on a person, you turn them in to a commodity. We will do exactly the same when deciding x player might be worth x, but is not worth y.  Comparing us and spurs and spurs and Madrid is funny though. We might just manage a couple of UEFA cup games in the next 5 years, but spur will not win the League or European Cup.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 29, 2015, 09:36:40 AM
be interesting to see if hes in the squad today, hopefully not because with our fanbase all it will do is knock his confidence and make him wanna leave even more after the boo's our fans give out to our players.

Was at the cup game against port vale, in my normal season ticket seat and there were so many 'fans' who only turned up because it was a tenna and constantly boo'd Mclean (and thats someone who wants to play for us!) along with boo'ing and shouting abuse at rondon/lambert etc just because they didn't score..

from where i sit, our 'support' is bloody embarrassing with the constant moaning and shouting abuse at our own players its a disgrace and if Saido is in the squad and gets that treatment, it will only make him worse.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 29, 2015, 10:14:24 AM
It is a shame that there is no option to comment on that colossal piece of excrement. That in a nutshell is why I hate the Internet- all you need to get your opinions out there is a keyboard and a connection, unfortunately you don't need a brain.

You have to register on the forum and then comment in the topic about that story.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 29, 2015, 10:42:44 AM
The first part is right. Pulls is a hypocrite for saying Spurs are treating him like a lump of meat because when you put a value on a person, you turn them in to a commodity. We will do exactly the same when deciding x player might be worth x, but is not worth y.  Comparing us and spurs and spurs and Madrid is funny though. We might just manage a couple of UEFA cup games in the next 5 years, but spur will not win the League or European Cup.
I don't see that Pulis is a hypocrite.  Firstly, Pulis surely says the players he wants and the club deals with fees, contracts etc - so I don't think that Pulis will be playing the game of how much a player is worth etc.  Secondly, there is a massive difference between how Spurs have treated Berahino, ( ie press whispering campaign for weeks to unsettle him, making derisory bids and, possibly, in some way encouraging him to put in a transfer request) and the Fazio saga.

The article itself is hypocritical, basically saying that because they were muscled out over Bale it gives them the right to use similar tactics against other clubs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2015, 11:40:21 AM
Savage encouraging Berahino to cause disruption to engineer a move, what a tit. I use to have time for Savage too
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 29, 2015, 11:43:27 AM
Savage encouraging Berahino to cause disruption to engineer a move, what a tit. I use to have time for Savage too

Saw that myself, not sure there isn't a litigation issue here "incitement"?. Needs an apology at the very least.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 29, 2015, 11:50:10 AM
I don't see that Pulis is a hypocrite.  Firstly, Pulis surely says the players he wants and the club deals with fees, contracts etc - so I don't think that Pulis will be playing the game of how much a player is worth etc.  Secondly, there is a massive difference between how Spurs have treated Berahino, ( ie press whispering campaign for weeks to unsettle him, making derisory bids and, possibly, in some way encouraging him to put in a transfer request)
Is what's been happening with Marshall not similar?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on August 29, 2015, 12:15:28 PM
Saw that myself, not sure there isn't a litigation issue here "incitement"?. Needs an apology at the very least.

There isn't any case for litigation if its the same article I have read.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 29, 2015, 01:26:28 PM
Is what's been happening with Marshall not similar?
yes and no, for example, Marshall hasn't been ordered by a media outlet to hand in a transfer request...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on August 29, 2015, 01:43:42 PM
Savage encouraging Berahino to cause disruption to engineer a move, what a tit. I use to have time for Savage too

Like saying that Tottenham is nearer to Birmingham than West Brom ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2015, 03:29:32 PM
enough is enough, hes a so called professional footballer. get rid. lets hope we have replacements
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 29, 2015, 04:10:08 PM
enough is enough, hes a so called professional footballer. get rid. lets hope we have replacements

Id only get rid for the right amount in the right structure. I'm not up for rewarding Spurs for how they've acted.

Saido get deal with it like a pro. I think TP is the best best for doing that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 29, 2015, 09:12:42 PM
A Spurs fan mate of mine has heard that Spurs have lodged a further bid this evening.  Wouldn't surprise me at all after Spurs' showing tonight
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on August 29, 2015, 09:24:22 PM
A Spurs fan mate of mine has heard that Spurs have lodged a further bid this evening.  Wouldn't surprise me at all after Spurs' showing tonight

Spurs? Aren't they one of the little teams we are ahead of?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 29, 2015, 09:30:17 PM
Spurs? Aren't they one of the little teams we are ahead of?

That's them.  Small club that thinks its a big club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 29, 2015, 09:35:46 PM
Still don't agree about him being rested due to all that's going on. Lescott and Stones played and were professional. Should have been in the bench. Coming on today would have been perfect for him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 29, 2015, 09:40:11 PM
Still don't agree about him being rested due to all that's going on. Lescott and Stones played and were professional. Should have been in the bench. Coming on today would have been perfect for him

But that's the difference.  Lescott and Stones have acted professionally. Berahino has acted like a prat.  Is naive and very poorly advised.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on August 29, 2015, 10:02:12 PM
I still think, even after Peace's statement, that Berahino will be gone this window.
All Peace has to say is we had an offer that was too good to turn down and that the player was too unsettled to stay, putting the blame at Spurs door.
Too late to spend all the money and the books are instantly balanced.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieblood on August 29, 2015, 10:06:19 PM
Imo berahino, who i know is young, epitomises all that is wrong with society.

He was given a chance and future by us and does he show he is gratitude, does he f??k.

Unfollowing us on twitter just shows what a pr??k he is.

And all those who blame his agent, should remember if they were so easily led at 22.

I'm 43 now and i still hold the boss who gave me my first proper job in high esteem.

Berahino will be found out this season like kane has been.

Both were unknown quantities last season but now will be marked men.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on August 29, 2015, 10:12:35 PM
Still don't agree about him being rested due to all that's going on. Lescott and Stones played and were professional. Should have been in the bench. Coming on today would have been perfect for him
agree totally, I take it he's still picking up his wages whilst sulking, maybe the clubs should charge players £50 thousand if they put in a transfer request because lets face it so far the only losers are albion who've done nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on August 29, 2015, 10:22:37 PM
It doesn't matter what his personal thoughts or ambitions are, whilst he is employed by WBA he has a duty to perform for WBA as and when required.

If he is unable to do so then he should forfeit the rather handsome salary that he earns in our employment, a king's ransom in Burundi, I suspect?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on August 29, 2015, 10:24:03 PM
Still don't agree about him being rested due to all that's going on. Lescott and Stones played and were professional. Should have been in the bench. Coming on today would have been perfect for him

Precisely! Why are the club making excuses for him?. He is still being paid by the club so he should knuckle down and get on with it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 29, 2015, 10:25:32 PM
£14k a week is still a lot of money so we have paid him £28k for doing nothing over the last few weeks. He didn't play at home to Chelsea and we missed a penalty which he would ha e scored from had he put the club first and not himself. Got a feeling there is a lot more going on behind the scenes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiecarl on August 29, 2015, 10:35:57 PM
be interesting to see if hes in the squad today, hopefully not because with our fanbase all it will do is knock his confidence and make him wanna leave even more after the boo's our fans give out to our players.

Was at the cup game against port vale, in my normal season ticket seat and there were so many 'fans' who only turned up because it was a tenna and constantly boo'd Mclean (and thats someone who wants to play for us!) along with boo'ing and shouting abuse at rondon/lambert etc just because they didn't score..

from where i sit, our 'support' is bloody embarrassing with the constant moaning and shouting abuse at our own players its a disgrace and if Saido is in the squad and gets that treatment, it will only make him worse.
Mate , when you get somebody as petulant and lacking in humility as him ... do you think he gives  a stuff , of what you think , or any negative feedback  from the crowd ?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: spyro on August 29, 2015, 10:57:15 PM
£14k a week is still a lot of money so we have paid him £28k for doing nothing over the last few weeks. He didn't play at home to Chelsea and we missed a penalty which he would ha e scored from had he put the club first and notuhh himself. Got a feeling there is a lot more going on behind the scenes
he did want to play though
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: spyro on August 29, 2015, 10:58:51 PM
agree totally, I take it he's still picking up his wages whilst sulking, maybe the clubs should charge players £50 thousand if they put in a transfer request because lets face it so far the only losers are albion who've done nothing wrong.
they do charge money if they put in a transfer request
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on August 29, 2015, 11:21:09 PM
I do worry that we have turned down offers for Saido. Look at Kane, he's gone off the radar. I fear Berahino wil do the same.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 29, 2015, 11:53:52 PM
Jonathan Pearce opened his motd commentary saying he'd been told Spurs pursuit of Berahino has ended.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 29, 2015, 11:57:41 PM
Beat me to it, Jacko.

Can't see JP selling now after the last statement. Would look foolish otherwise.

Hopefully the international break will give the club and Saido chance to get back on track.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 30, 2015, 12:02:16 AM
Beat me to it, Jacko.

Can't see JP selling now after the last statement. Would look foolish otherwise.

Hopefully the international break will give the club and Saido chance to get back on track.

I think Man United will be in for him very shortly. Can't see him going to Spurs now. Am unsure whether we are better off letting him go.  If it means we can sign 2-3 much needed players then we may well be best cashing in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on August 30, 2015, 12:07:29 AM
Puts it into perspective when its claimed he's not in the right frame of mind to play when Bolassie plays for Palace after the death oh his father.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on August 30, 2015, 12:17:27 AM
Puts it into perspective when its claimed he's not in the right frame of mind to play when Bolassie plays for Palace after the death oh his father.
Indeed. Then there's Lescott and Stones, both very professional today and did well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Noty Bromway on August 30, 2015, 04:51:25 AM
Indeed. Then there's Lescott and Stones, both very professional today and did well.

Things don't add up to me, I feel we are keeping him away to protect him in case we do sell him for silly money, truth and time tells all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 30, 2015, 07:44:08 AM
His difficult early life, and growing up without a father seem to contribute to Saido's apparent immature behaviour compared with Stones whose upbringing in UK may have been much more settled. I think we will regret not selling him now and would be very surprised with some of the top teams strugging for goals we dont get another offer before deadline.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 30, 2015, 07:44:58 AM
Still think there is going to  be a final twist in this one or is Pulis playing silly buggers? If he is staying 'end of' then he has to put it behind him and move on just like Stones
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 30, 2015, 08:07:19 AM
Personally I think he'll go
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 30, 2015, 08:51:44 AM
United and Arsenal, as well as Spurs, have a shortage of strikers.  I am convinced he will be sold by Tuesday for nearer £30m than £25m.   United most likely
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on August 30, 2015, 08:53:22 AM
Personally I think he'll go

I agree he will go on Tuesday but not to Spurs, but to Man Utd with Wilson coming on loan to us, and this will give us the cash to get Phillips and/or Austin.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 30, 2015, 09:05:19 AM
I still don't see anyone offering us the money we would want. I don't think him not playing is going to help portray a professional attitude to potential suitors, I notice Wanyama is doing the same with the common link between the two being Spurs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 30, 2015, 09:06:24 AM
I agree he will go on Tuesday but not to Spurs, but to Man Utd with Wilson coming on loan to us, and this will give us the cash to get Phillips and/or Austin.

Would be very happy with that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 30, 2015, 09:08:16 AM
I still don't see anyone offering us the money we would want. I don't think him not playing is going to help portray a professional attitude to potential suitors, I notice Wanyama is doing the same with the common link between the two being Spurs.

Spurs are a disgrace.  He also "unfollowed" his club. Levy needs to change his ways.

Would love to see them lose Kane late in transfer window !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on August 30, 2015, 09:10:13 AM
if we got a proper offer of 21/22m today i would sell him otherwise we could come to regret this as i think if he plays we will either change formation to 442 which doesnt suit us at all or he play on the wing again...get the money and improve the squad where we need it now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 30, 2015, 09:15:26 AM
Him unfollowing the club on social media just proves he is still a petulant child despite the great strides he had taken to shake off that kind of tag. I don't blame him for having his head turned, a lot of it comes from Spurs just tapping him up and he probably has plenty of hangers on in his ear trying to get him to do all he can to force a move to earn money or some kind of notoriety off his name.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 30, 2015, 09:17:14 AM
if we got a proper offer of 21/22m today i would sell him otherwise we could come to regret this as i think if he plays we will either change formation to 442 which doesnt suit us at all or he play on the wing again...get the money and improve the squad where we need it now

I think it's too late for that now. If a move was going to happen allowing us to use some of the funds to improve our squad further it had to happen early last week at the latest. There isn't enough time to utilise the potential funds now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 30, 2015, 09:24:10 AM
I think it's too late for that now. If a move was going to happen allowing us to use some of the funds to improve our squad further it had to happen early last week at the earliest. There isn't enough time to utilise the potential funds now.

Normally I would agree with your comment, but this has been brewing for so long now that I'm quite sure the club will be ready to do several deals contingent on SB being sold.  SB deal needs to be done today or tomorrow though.

Phillips, Austin/Hernandez and one or two other nice surprises hopefully....


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 30, 2015, 10:40:06 AM
Spurs are under pressure to sign. They have an average squad this year and Kane saved them last season. Levy could stump up he money today or tomorrow but would depend on us bringing in a few players and that's never easy. Never say never but .....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 30, 2015, 11:02:32 AM
Him unfollowing the club on social media just proves he is still a petulant child despite the great strides he had taken to shake off that kind of tag. I don't blame him for having his head turned, a lot of it comes from Spurs just tapping him up and he probably has plenty of hangers on in his ear trying to get him to do all he can to force a move to earn money or some kind of notoriety off his name.

Do you think these great strides were more a case of just keeping his head down for a few months with him knowing full well someone would come in for him? He then chose to throw his toys out the pram again?

Spurs brought it on themselves by leaving it too late. He's been available all summer for the right price.

Man Utd are making Hernandez available for transfer so they could come in with a late bid I suppose.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieblood on August 30, 2015, 03:04:23 PM
Levy is levy he thinks he's dr evil from the austin piwers films.

What surprised me though was pochetino coming out and saying chasing the ungrateful one is liking being in love with a woman you cannot have.

Wtf, your club made an offer which was rejected but he continues chasing him with these kind comments in the press.

For someone who couldn't do a motd interview 18 months ago he"s fooooking william shakespeare now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 30, 2015, 04:31:03 PM
I think it's too late for that now. If a move was going to happen allowing us to use some of the funds to improve our squad further it had to happen early last week at the earliest. There isn't enough time to utilise the potential funds now.

Totally agree although I can still see us selling him. JP will be happy to pocket the money to cover some of what we've spent already.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2015, 05:08:41 PM
Totally agree although I can still see us selling him. JP will be happy to pocket the money to cover some of what we've spent already.

The money we have spent only has to balance (if it's required at all) within the financial year, so JP can sell in January for an inflated price and balance the books, admitted, its unusual for JP to operate that way, but he is adapting to a new way of working.

Of course, if we are heading for a higher than normal finish, he may fund some of the new signings from that and keep Berahino.

We are in unchartered territory already with this seasons spending.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on August 30, 2015, 05:10:33 PM
If we don't sell him by tomorrow there's no way Albion will be able to get someone in for a reasonable price. The team selling will have saido shaped dollar signs rolling round their eyes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 30, 2015, 05:31:25 PM
If we don't sell him by tomorrow there's no way Albion will be able to get someone in for a reasonable price. The team selling will have saido shaped dollar signs rolling round their eyes.
That will depend on issues Jimmy 1. Finances of selling club.2. Have we alternatives 3.Time runs out for selling clubs as well. Just three I can think of!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 30, 2015, 05:38:33 PM
That will depend on issues Jimmy 1. Finances of selling club.2. Have we alternatives 3.Time runs out for selling clubs as well. Just three I can think of!

Well we know the prices of Austin & Gayle. I imagine we may try for one of them if Berahino does go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 30, 2015, 06:04:30 PM
Having just watch United against Swansea there is a team in bad need of a striker and if they panic on Tuesday we could be in for an unpleasant surprise and I don't think for a moment we will replace Saido if that is the case.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie_liam on August 30, 2015, 06:07:14 PM
Would be very happy with that.

Snap your hand off at this deal!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on August 30, 2015, 06:10:18 PM
Having just watch United against Swansea there is a team in bad need of a striker and if they panic on Tuesday we could be in for an unpleasant surprise and I don't think for a moment we will replace Saido if that is the case.

Exactly my thoughts. I would not be suprised one bit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 30, 2015, 06:20:34 PM
Exactly my thoughts. I would not be suprised one bit.

Although we could replace him with Hernandez

Don't forget we've been talking a lot with United recently re Evans.   Very unlikely that Berahino's situation will not have been mentioned
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on August 30, 2015, 06:23:39 PM
I would think and hope the club have enough sense they will be trying to buy strikers now and essentially try and get a deal set up for a replacement, then if Berahino isn't happening, we can always back out of that deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on August 30, 2015, 07:23:06 PM
Rooney is poor recently, I think man utd may go for Berahino on deadline day.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on August 30, 2015, 09:24:37 PM
Tottenham still want at least two more players before the summer transfer window closes on Tuesday, with the club ready to again bid for Saido Berahino. As well as the West Bromwich Albion forward, Spurs want a central midfielder, preferably Southampton’s Victor Wanyama and intend to make a formal bid.

From the telegraph
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 30, 2015, 09:26:32 PM
Tottenham still want at least two more players before the summer transfer window closes on Tuesday, with the club ready to again bid for Saido Berahino. As well as the West Bromwich Albion forward, Spurs want a central midfielder, preferably Southampton’s Victor Wanyama and intend to make a formal bid.

From the telegraph

No use to us unless it happens tomorrow. We have to have time to spend the money
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 30, 2015, 09:49:20 PM
The club will/would have set up a few deals and agreed fees for replacements already, when (because he will) Saido goes, we will then sort personal terms and medicals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 30, 2015, 11:22:21 PM
I can't really see him playing for us again.
His attitude is wrong.
Who ever gets him will have big, big trouble.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 31, 2015, 12:37:37 AM
If it is Spurs it is going to take a bid that is far higher than anything they have come up with to date and without relying on countless add on clauses to get it to it's full value. In short they have to completely capitulate before it is going to happen. Another club might enter the fray but unless that happens my guess is that Saido stays. There may be deals in the pipeline which are contingent on us selling him but I wouldn't count on it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 31, 2015, 03:41:44 AM
Rooney is poor recently, I think man utd may go for Berahino on deadline day.

Two chances  yesterday for Rooney couldnt take as they came on his left foot, Saido much better better on his left could have scored both. Saido with Rooney playing deeper could be good for them but no real indication they will go for that. Personally I think it would be a good deal for all parties at the right price.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: amathews3416 on August 31, 2015, 04:43:05 AM
It appears Javier Hernandez is off to Bayer Leverkusen.  United down to Rooney up top. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 31, 2015, 06:05:19 AM
It appears Javier Hernandez is off to Bayer Leverkusen.  United down to Rooney up top. 

If this is true United must have a deal lined up subject to the other club getting reinforecments. There is a reasonable chance that might be us!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 31, 2015, 06:48:29 AM
I very much doubt Man Utd would sign a relatively inexperienced striker as a key part of their season, maybe as an additional  striker. They will want Champions League experience.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on August 31, 2015, 07:54:47 AM
Silly bollo could have gotten into England squad if he just put his head down and let his football do the talking
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 31, 2015, 08:19:17 AM
Yes was the ideal opportunity for him. Look who's been selected, Vardy the only one showing a bit of form
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on August 31, 2015, 08:20:52 AM
Silly bollo could have gotten into England squad if he just put his head down and let his football do the talking

Just goes to show, he's not Corberan, he's just a naughty little boy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 31, 2015, 08:51:40 AM
It looks like United are signing the next big thing to come out of France Anthony Martial from Monaco. Cannot see them doing that and coming in for Saido although having let Hernandes go they still look short of strikers
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on August 31, 2015, 09:09:45 AM
Whoevers got in his head , it's pathetic when you look at other footballers who are moving on or asking for a move and their professionalism fair play to them but this baby has burnt his bridges.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on August 31, 2015, 09:28:44 AM
"Baby" is the right word - he's very young for his age, his face is still changing - seeing him at the start of the season was like seeing a teenage nephew you haven't seen for a few weeks and, wow, he's actually got a jawline now and he might even start shaving soon!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 31, 2015, 10:10:00 AM
is what he's said/done off the pitch really a big issue if he stays and scores us goals?

too many 'adults' on here being so petty because saido needs to 'grow up', yet everyones on here salking because he would rather get paid triple to do the same job he's doing now but actually be challenging to play in Europe etc

NONE of the people on here slating him because he wants to move, would stay at their current company if another company came in and offered them atleast triple the wages.... its only the same, give the kid a break

if he goes, good luck to him.. if not we need to get behind him when he does play
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 31, 2015, 10:16:01 AM
is what he's said/done off the pitch really a big issue if he stays and scores us goals?

too many 'adults' on here being so petty because saido needs to 'grow up', yet everyones on here salking because he would rather get paid triple to do the same job he's doing now but actually be challenging to play in Europe etc

NONE of the people on here slating him because he wants to move, would stay at their current company if another company came in and offered them atleast triple the wages.... its only the same, give the kid a break

if he goes, good luck to him.. if not we need to get behind him when he does play

Well said, people have to accept its the way of the modern footballing world, yes Berahino could have behaved better, but which one of with £'s floating in front of our eyes and aspirations fulfilled would have behaved much better.

Berahino will leave sooner or later, just enjoy the goals why we have them and the transfer bonus when he goes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 31, 2015, 10:23:49 AM
If he stays no one will have any problem with him. It's all that's going on at the moment that makes people a little bemused
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 31, 2015, 10:36:54 AM
Well said, people have to accept its the way of the modern footballing world, yes Berahino could have behaved better, but which one of with £'s floating in front of our eyes and aspirations fulfilled would have behaved much better.

Berahino will leave sooner or later, just enjoy the goals why we have them and the transfer bonus when he goes.

I'm not sure it's about the money though. Nobody knows for sure what he's on now or what Spurs would offer him, but allegedly, he's on £14k per week with us now & Spurs are reportedly offering circa £50k per week. With the money we are spending this summer, I think we could and would easily match that (it would cost us £1.8million per year of his contract).
I'm not even sure he's behaving that badly, unfollowing the FC on twitter is no big deal, it just means he wont see the tweets that official wba send out, they can still see his tweets. As far as I'm aware, he's available to play, it's TP that's decided his head's not right, & won't play him.
I think it's fair to say that he wants the move, & by handing in the transfer request, he has forgone an alleged £3million loyalty bonus. I imagine he saw that as an indirect way of reducing the price that WBA are asking for him.
According to the press today, Spurs are about to make a third bid, IMO anything over £20million cash would secure a deal for them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2015, 10:43:01 AM
is what he's said/done off the pitch really a big issue if he stays and scores us goals?

too many 'adults' on here being so petty because saido needs to 'grow up', yet everyones on here salking because he would rather get paid triple to do the same job he's doing now but actually be challenging to play in Europe etc

NONE of the people on here slating him because he wants to move, would stay at their current company if another company came in and offered them atleast triple the wages.... its only the same, give the kid a break

if he goes, good luck to him.. if not we need to get behind him when he does play


He could stay focused and get selected like John Stones who is younger but oh no toys out his pram. get rid asap
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on August 31, 2015, 10:47:05 AM
SkyBet is reporting that Berahino is 1/2 to stay at The Hawthorns, while he is 13/8 to join Spurs and 14/1 to move to Man Utd.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 31, 2015, 10:52:41 AM
SkyBet is reporting that Berahino is 1/2 to stay at The Hawthorns, while he is 13/8 to join Spurs and 14/1 to move to Man Utd.

It would be suicide for us to let him leave now as I cannot see how we would get a goal scoring replacement in at such short notice - besides Peace has stated on record he's staying !

We saw on Saturday just how hard it is for this team to score goals - we need a natural goal scorer with can get us 15-18 in a season to avoid being in the relegation mix most of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 31, 2015, 10:56:50 AM
It would be suicide for us to let him leave now as I cannot see how we would get a goal scoring replacement in at such short notice - besides Peace has stated on record he's staying !

We saw on Saturday just how hard it is for this team to score goals - we need a natural goal scorer with can get us 15-18 in a season to avoid being in the relegation mix most of the season.

We have already identified that Austin is our replacement according to Telegraph. (this has come from John Percy, not sure we have any better journo at the moment.)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 31, 2015, 10:57:59 AM
We have already identified that Austin is our replacement according to Telegraph.

Seems a totally different type of player more in the mold of the strikers we already have to me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on August 31, 2015, 11:00:15 AM
Seems a totally different type of player more in the mold of the strikers we already have to me.

I think phillips will be berahinor replacement. Austin just an extra striker in. Also think we will go for moses as well
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on August 31, 2015, 11:11:47 AM

He could stay focused and get selected like John Stones who is younger but oh no toys out his pram. get rid asap

Jon Walters didn't play against us because of the bids from Norwich, Wanyama didn't play this weekend either. Look at Stones midweek against Barnsley, he was all over the place - it can make a difference.

If he stays and doesn't get his head down or put the effort in then get on his back, harsh to do so now in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 31, 2015, 12:35:38 PM
We have already identified that Austin is our replacement according to Telegraph. (this has come from John Percy, not sure we have any better journo at the moment.)
Man U are looking at Austin.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: amathews3416 on August 31, 2015, 02:35:27 PM
Man U are looking at Austin.

Nah, that was just a silly rumor.  Looks like they are signing Martial from AS Monaco for really big money.  I think that will eliminate them from contention to sign Saido.  Really just comes down to Spurs at the moment and I don't see them trumping up the cash to get the deal over the line. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pelada on August 31, 2015, 04:29:23 PM
Anyone heard anything about whether Arsenal might come in under Spurs noses?

They are a side who do need a different option to Giroud and especially pace up front. Lot of Gooners on Twitter were calling for a bid for Saido. Long shot maybe.

Villa are being linked with a bid for Austin as well as us- given they only really have Gestede, that would not come as a surprise. Would love Phillips and Austin but Hoilett is on a free so perhaps he might be more likely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 31, 2015, 05:15:39 PM
Man U need more than 1,Spurs need at least one (Kane could go) arsenal need 1 and Man city like shopping
Plenty time left and plenty set up ready to go pending one phone call

Phillips
Ledley
Lingaard
+ 2 surprises

Out
Ideye vic ollson escort
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2015, 05:29:28 PM
Man U need more than 1,Spurs need at least one (Kane could go) arsenal need 1 and Man city like shopping
Plenty time left and plenty set up ready to go pending one phone call

Phillips
Ledley
Lingaard
+ 2 surprises
Out
Ideye vic ollson escort

Bit like the mystery house then :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andio on August 31, 2015, 10:27:38 PM
Man Utd have signed Martial.

#ASMonaco officially confirmed to Canal+ that striker Anthony Martial was transferred to #MUFC for a total fee of €80m.

So doubt Saido will be going there now?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RogerBadoo on August 31, 2015, 10:37:17 PM
Very surprised if Saido gets a move at this stage. Spurs seem to have cooled interest. Puzzle will be does he start once back in the squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 01, 2015, 12:46:11 AM
Man Utd have signed Martial.

#ASMonaco officially confirmed to Canal+ that striker Anthony Martial was transferred to #MUFC for a total fee of €80m.

So doubt Saido will be going there now?

That's over £50m that might emptied even United's coffers I guess that has closed one door to Saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2015, 06:30:45 AM
I'm part hoping he goes if we are really after Philips and Austin.
If he stays I'd expect to see him start out wide which isn't his best position.
Might be better to cash in now and get what we need to fit into the Pulis way, seen enough of square pegs into round holes thus far.,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 01, 2015, 08:36:09 AM
That's over £50m that might emptied even United's coffers I guess that has closed one door to Saido

I don't see why not TBH. They are still woefully short of strikers and were supposed to have been tabling a £230m bid for Neymar the other week.......so they still have the cash to splash.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 01, 2015, 09:53:01 AM
Just heard that Arsenal are interested......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 01, 2015, 09:54:21 AM
Just heard that Arsenal are interested......

Where from Overseas?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 09:54:48 AM
Just heard that Arsenal are interested......


Please anyone but spuds, that would really turn their fans against Levy

Saido would flourish in a passing team like Arsenal
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 01, 2015, 09:56:55 AM
Where from Overseas?

Was on one of the many transfer threads on Twitter but one of the better ones.   Seems to be linked to Oxlade Chamberlain possibly going to Turkey
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on September 01, 2015, 09:59:57 AM
Was on one of the many transfer threads on Twitter but one of the better ones.   Seems to be linked to Oxlade Chamberlain possibly going to Turkey

Cant see the ox going to Turkey. Atleast I hope he doesn't he is in my fantasy team  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 01, 2015, 10:00:19 AM
Was on one of the many transfer threads on Twitter but one of the better ones.   Seems to be linked to Oxlade Chamberlain possibly going to Turkey

Interesting, I have said a couple of times that he would do better at Arsenal than the spuds...... I hope it comes off for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 01, 2015, 10:01:09 AM
Was on one of the many transfer threads on Twitter but one of the better ones.   Seems to be linked to Oxlade Chamberlain possibly going to Turkey

It was on @soccer_sauce
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mikehy on September 01, 2015, 10:03:31 AM
Cant see the ox going to Turkey. Atleast I hope he doesn't he is in my fantasy team  :P
I Thought the Turkish window closed last night
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on September 01, 2015, 10:05:42 AM
I Thought the Turkish window closed last night

Couldn't tell you mate. Although this Arsenal rumour is hardly from the most reliable of sources.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on September 01, 2015, 10:14:49 AM
I Thought the Turkish window closed last night

Yeah it did.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2015, 12:05:59 PM
I wonder if his drivers got the engine running?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on September 01, 2015, 12:11:03 PM
I wonder if his drivers got the engine running?

Atleast he wont be doing a Odemwingie as he cant legally drive.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieblood on September 01, 2015, 01:23:27 PM
Talksport just reported that their source says bera to spurs is on.

Imo spurs need a striker badly and they've just seen martial go to man utd for 36m so bera looks reasonable at 25m.

If he goes offer qpr 15m plus olly and sick note for austin and phillips.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 01:25:22 PM
Talksport just reported that their source says bera to spurs is on.

Imo spurs need a striker badly and they've just seen martial go to man utd for 36m so bera looks reasonable at 25m.

If he goes offer qpr 15m plus olly and sick note for austin and phillips.


cant see it now unless all metioned are in helicopters, Moose on the same radio station said its not going to happen
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on September 01, 2015, 01:26:48 PM
Talksport just reported that their source says bera to spurs is on.

Imo spurs need a striker badly and they've just seen martial go to man utd for 36m so bera looks reasonable at 25m.

If he goes offer qpr 15m plus olly and sick note for austin and phillips.

They've just signed the chap from leverkusen so they dont need a striker badly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 01:28:24 PM
are we all going to love and get behind him if he doesnt leave :-*
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 01, 2015, 01:31:54 PM
Yes.
Albion player until he leaves.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieblood on September 01, 2015, 01:32:06 PM
Yeah they've signed Son but imo oriental players blow very hot and cold in the prem.

Plus, if they can pay 18m for an unproven player like son they can pay 25m for bera.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on September 01, 2015, 01:32:44 PM
Harry Redknapp reckons Berahino will go to Spurs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 01, 2015, 01:33:32 PM
Harry Redknapp reckons Berahino will go to Spurs.
Did his dog tell him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: orville on September 01, 2015, 01:34:23 PM
Harry Redknapp reckons Berahino will go to Spurs.

Lets hope not before the replacements have sign for us then
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 01, 2015, 01:36:05 PM
are we all going to love and get behind him if he doesnt leave :-*

You'd hope we'd all get behind him but there's bound to be a few who won't.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on September 01, 2015, 01:37:56 PM
Did his dog tell him?

His dog wrote it down but Harry couldn't read it. His brief read out aloud for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 01, 2015, 01:38:02 PM
Did his dog tell him?

The's the one that does all the deals you mean
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2015, 01:40:32 PM
are we all going to love and get behind him if he doesnt leave :-*

Is he going to be professional and fully committed?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 01, 2015, 01:42:11 PM
Is he going to be professional and fully committed?

If he isn't then he can kiss a future move to a bigger club goodbye.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 01:42:58 PM
Harry Redknapp reckons Berahino will go to Spurs.


he been saying that since May, he obviously knows how Levy works
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2015, 01:43:35 PM
Harry Redknapp reckons Berahino will go to Spurs.

Was that through the car window?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 01:44:16 PM
If he isn't then he can kiss a future move to a bigger club goodbye.


and of course playing for England.Give him a fortnight to get his head over this
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Halesowen12 on September 01, 2015, 01:48:54 PM
Was that through the car window?

lol someone's had a bet!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 01, 2015, 01:59:25 PM
Sky saying West Brom have restated Berahino definitely not being sold!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Halesowen12 on September 01, 2015, 02:20:04 PM
Berahino now 1/6 to stay at WBA following a flurry off bets in last few mins according to SkyBet
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on September 01, 2015, 02:26:38 PM
With the deadline a 6pm I'd have thought we'd have heard something by now if a move had a chance of happening. Not often a deal comes out of absolutely nowhere with just over 3 hours to go on deadline day. Certainly not a multimillion pound deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 01, 2015, 02:28:42 PM
We wouldn't allow a deal like this to go through without having a replacement lined up. With such little time left I don't think much will be happening that we don't already know about. I'd say it's safe to say he's staying.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on September 01, 2015, 03:50:19 PM
John Percy ‏@John__Percy  9s9 seconds ago
West Brom have rejected a THIRD bid from Spurs for Saido Berahino today #wba #coys.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 01, 2015, 03:54:37 PM
Spurs have made another bid for Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 01, 2015, 03:56:00 PM
Well done JP + TP get your head down now Saido bigger clubs will look at you if you repeat last seasons form.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 01, 2015, 03:59:50 PM
Personally I don't think Saido will ever be good enough for a top 4 side. I can't see him replicating his previous goal tallys for us as he'll be played out of position plus we don't create many chances. He'll be in and out of the side and his stock will fall. We've missed a trick by not offloading him now whilst the going is good and allowing us to reinvest the money on 2/3 players in positions we desperately need to strengthen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 01, 2015, 04:05:10 PM
Personally I don't think Saido will ever be good enough for a top 4 side. I can't see him replicating his previous goal tallys for us as he'll be played out of position plus we don't create many chances. He'll be in and out of the side and his stock will fall. We've missed a trick by not offloading him now whilst the going is good and allowing us to reinvest the money on 2/3 players in positions we desperately need to strengthen.

433 or 442 or 4411 don't agree, he is a versatile forward able to make goals for his team mates & himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 01, 2015, 04:07:11 PM
433 or 442 or 4411 don't agree, he is a versatile forward able to make goals for his team mates & himself.
....should he be suitably motivated to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 01, 2015, 04:07:59 PM
Personally I don't think Saido will ever be good enough for a top 4 side. I can't see him replicating his previous goal tallys for us as he'll be played out of position plus we don't create many chances. He'll be in and out of the side and his stock will fall. We've missed a trick by not offloading him now whilst the going is good and allowing us to reinvest the money on 2/3 players in positions we desperately need to strengthen.

I agree entirely. It's ridiculous turning down a 3rd bid for Saido. We are now left stuck with a half-hearted player who obviously wants to leave, therefore we aren't going to have the same Saido as we had last season. We are now going to be short of quality in areas that we desperately needed to improve upon. The funds from Saido would have freed up plenty enough for the final pieces of the jigsaw to be completed today. We have already got Rondon and Lambert in, perfectly adequate to cover the loss of Saido and Bobby without the probability of yet another replacement (Phillips/Austin) coming in. We have tried to out do Spurs but we have just ended up selling our club short in the long run I think.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 01, 2015, 04:08:45 PM
Personally I don't think Saido will ever be good enough for a top 4 side. I can't see him replicating his previous goal tallys for us as he'll be played out of position plus we don't create many chances. He'll be in and out of the side and his stock will fall. We've missed a trick by not offloading him now whilst the going is good and allowing us to reinvest the money on 2/3 players in positions we desperately need to strengthen.

So you think we should have given him away on the cheap to Spurs?  Why on earth would we do that?  My understanding is that due to the nature of the add-ons in the first two offers we would probably have only ever seen about £17m!

Spurs have not only screwed this up but they really have messed the player around. They never had any intention of paying anything like the asking price so tried the unsettling route


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on September 01, 2015, 04:08:53 PM
....should he be suitably motivated to.

Doesn't your heart bleed for these poor underpaid footballers who sulk when they can't have their own way?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: palmaroy on September 01, 2015, 04:09:41 PM
433 or 442 or 4411 don't agree, he is a versatile forward able to make goals for his team mates & himself.
i personally don't think Pulis rates him that much.He has been talking him up to get his value up.Where can he play in our team now(bench I would have thought)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ihsaan on September 01, 2015, 04:10:16 PM
Do people really think Saido would lack motivation to play well for us in a European Championship year? He knows that if he gets 15+ goals again he'll be in that squad and pushing for a start.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 01, 2015, 04:11:16 PM
I agree entirely. It's ridiculous turning down a 3rd bid for Saido. We are now left stuck with a half-hearted player who obviously wants to leave, therefore we aren't going to have the same Saido as we had last season. We are now going to be short of quality in areas that we desperately needed to improve upon. The funds from Saido would have freed up plenty enough for the final pieces of the jigsaw to be completed today. We have already got Rondon and Lambert in, perfectly adequate to cover the loss of Saido and Bobby without the probability of yet another replacement (Phillips/Austin) coming in. We have tried to out do Spurs but we have just ended up selling our club short in the long run I think.

You would like to think that TP & JP both acted in the interests of WBAFC.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on September 01, 2015, 04:11:30 PM
I still think there is a chance it could happen, and i hope we have some replacements if it does.
If it doesn't it will be very interesting to see how he reacts.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 04:11:53 PM
so they have matched our valuation but its just too late, they have been into him all summer.Its their fault they only have one striker
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 01, 2015, 04:14:38 PM
Doesn't your heart bleed for these poor underpaid footballers who sulk when they can't have their own way?
No it doesn't but, if it's what happens, Berahino wouldn't be the first by any stretch of the imagination. He's done a few things in the past couple of years that don't fill me with confidence that he's got his head screwed on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 01, 2015, 04:15:40 PM
You would like to think that TP & JP both acted in the interests of WBAFC.

Yes, I'd like to think so but I think the club may have overplayed the importance of Saido when you look at the bigger picture. If you look at my previous posts on Saido, I have been very complementary about him since Pulis has arrived. His attitude and work rate have improved tremendously. I think though that we could have matched the quality of Berahino PLUS improved the quality in other areas of the pitch with the money raised from his sale.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 01, 2015, 04:16:31 PM
Berahino is a world class finisher, the rest of his game falls below that standard, but, given time, he could yet be playing on the biggest stages of Europe, but he needs to get his head down and play for his club and himself, I think he will be fine, there are some good heads around him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 01, 2015, 04:25:18 PM
Delighted with this. As always. Don't sell your best players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 01, 2015, 04:25:55 PM
Yes, I'd like to think so but I think the club may have overplayed the importance of Saido when you look at the bigger picture. If you look at my previous posts on Saido, I have been very complementary about him since Pulis has arrived. His attitude and work rate have improved tremendously. I think though that we could have matched the quality of Berahino PLUS improved the quality in other areas of the pitch with the money raised from his sale.

Nathan, I'm not sure what the bigger picture is until close of play tonight, if where we are now is the bigger picture, then maybe cashing in on Saido could have been advantageous for us. On the other hand, we may be close to a marque signing that would make retaining Saido the most sensible thing to do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on September 01, 2015, 04:27:01 PM
Delighted with this. As always. Don't sell your best players.

Will his head be right to play? i hope so or we are stuffed, and might aswel of let him go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 01, 2015, 04:31:07 PM
....should he be suitably motivated to.

If he wants to play for England he will have to Oh & if he wants bigger pay days in the future.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 01, 2015, 04:33:14 PM
Will his head be right to play? i hope so or we are stuffed, and might aswel of let him go.

NO !!!
why would we let him go at less than our valuation at this late time?
The spuds have tried to take it to the brink and JP has quite rightly decided that having the cash in the bank is of absolutely no use to the football club, whereas a part functioning Saido would be, (obv a fully functioning SB would be desirable).
It appears spuds have screwed up and therefore SB stays with us, this isn't JP's fault, whereas no LB and CMF may well be!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 01, 2015, 04:34:28 PM
If he wants to play for England he will have to Oh & if he wants bigger pay days in the future.
Inhaling weird substances would put both of those at risk, but that didn't stop him....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 01, 2015, 04:34:34 PM
Nathan, I'm not sure what the bigger picture is until close of play tonight, if where we are now is the bigger picture, then maybe cashing in on Saido could have been advantageous for us. On the other hand, we may be close to a marque signing that would make retaining Saido the most sensible thing to do.

I'd love you to be right, I really would. I just can't see us splashing out more mega money until we get some mega money back in the club's coffers, i.e. the sale of Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2015, 04:38:42 PM
Seems a 4th and final bid has gone in
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 01, 2015, 04:40:25 PM
Stay firm JP F um off
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on September 01, 2015, 04:40:46 PM
Seems a 4th and final bid has gone in
I thought the second and third were final bids!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 01, 2015, 04:41:24 PM
Seems a 4th and final bid has gone in

If we buckle at this stage and fail to have replacements in hand (almost 100% guaranteed too late!) we are relegated IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Halesowen12 on September 01, 2015, 04:41:57 PM
I think he would reject any bid unless it was stupendous out of principle now, get your head down Saido and do what you do best
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on September 01, 2015, 04:42:29 PM
Reported to be 23 million get stuffed Spurs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 01, 2015, 04:42:49 PM
If we buckle at this stage and fail to have replacements in hand (almost 100% guaranteed too late!) we are relegated IMO.

I'd hope JP and TP know this. Wonder how much the 3rd and 4th bids are for. Are we reaching £25m? £30m?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 01, 2015, 04:43:19 PM
Rejected apparently.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2015, 04:44:08 PM
I'd hope JP and TP know this. Wonder how much the 3rd and 4th bids are for. Are we reaching £25m? £30m?

According to Sky not much difference between the 3rd and 4th bids which was around the £23m mark
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on September 01, 2015, 04:44:13 PM
BBC WM Sport 95.6 ‏@sportbbcwm  2m2 minutes ago
UPDATE : #wba We understand from our colleague @patmurphybbc that #coys offered £5m upfront with the rest in instalments and incentives.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RogerBadoo on September 01, 2015, 04:44:36 PM
How much clearer can we be £25m and the boy is yours. £23m no deal. How stupid is Daniel Levy. Honestly leaving this close to the window closing as well - we can sign nobody now.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2015, 04:45:15 PM
BBC WM Sport 95.6 ‏@sportbbcwm  2m2 minutes ago
UPDATE : #wba We understand from our colleague @patmurphybbc that #coys offered £5m upfront with the rest in instalments and incentives.

Embarassing offer that is
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on September 01, 2015, 04:45:53 PM
BBC WM Sport 95.6 ‏@sportbbcwm  2m2 minutes ago
UPDATE : #wba We understand from our colleague @patmurphybbc that #coys offered £5m upfront with the rest in instalments and incentives.

I hope that's a typo, otherwise I fear for Levy's sanity
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 01, 2015, 04:45:59 PM
So you think we should have given him away on the cheap to Spurs?  Why on earth would we do that?  My understanding is that due to the nature of the add-ons in the first two offers we would probably have only ever seen about £17m!

Spurs have not only screwed this up but they really have messed the player around. They never had any intention of paying anything like the asking price so tried the unsettling route

Lets say he rejects a new contract and walks away at the end of it. We may get some compensation at a tribunal but nowhere near the figures Spurs have reportedly offered.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sammyg on September 01, 2015, 04:46:18 PM
5M  :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on September 01, 2015, 04:46:25 PM
TP has gone home according to SkySports transfer centre on their webpage where it mentions the 3rd/4th bid of £23M
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Topman on September 01, 2015, 04:47:05 PM
They way they were talking on SSN it sounds like they think he'll go. If we sell with no replacements coming in, I'll cut my card in half and I'll wash my hands of the club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on September 01, 2015, 04:47:58 PM
Embarassing offer that is
quite easy for peace to reject this!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbastrollers on September 01, 2015, 05:01:47 PM
It appears Levey is desperate for Saido - At the moment his 3rd final offer contains £5m down and the balance in incentives. As others have said, easy for Peace to reject, however, I feel fairly confident that a 4th final offer will arrive with £15m down £8-10m in incentives, which peace will accept.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2015, 05:02:42 PM
@sportbbcwm
UPDATE : #wba We understand from our colleague @patmurphybbc that #coys offered £5m upfront with the rest in instalments and incentives.

There is NO WAY we would ever sell for that kind of payment.  We'd have to get a replacement with £5m and if we got relegated due to lack of goals the cash the following season(s) would mean nothing due to the bumper Premiership payday next year. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RogerBadoo on September 01, 2015, 05:03:22 PM
They better hurry up then...as we need to sign several players....

It has the feel of the day we let Earnshaw and Horsfield leave and made no time for incomings.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on September 01, 2015, 05:06:09 PM
SERIOUS?

Saido Berahino ‏@SBerahino  1m1 minute ago
Sad how i cant say exactly how the club has treated me but i can officially say i will never play Jeremy Peace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: NiallWBA on September 01, 2015, 05:06:48 PM
Sad how i cant say exactly how the club has treated me but i can officially say i will never play Jeremy Peace. @SBERAHINO     oh my goodness
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2015, 05:07:57 PM
Sad how i cant say exactly how the club has treated me but i can officially say i will never play Jeremy Peace. @SBERAHINO     oh my goodness

Shocking and aimed at getting his own way
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on September 01, 2015, 05:08:24 PM
He'll be playing in 2 weeks
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on September 01, 2015, 05:08:35 PM
Let him go, don't want to see him wear our shirt again, no loyalty at all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 01, 2015, 05:09:14 PM
Spurs just played their final card.

It won't work imo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2015, 05:09:20 PM
Shame he's upset but there's no way we could let him go for that kind of offer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sammyg on September 01, 2015, 05:09:33 PM
Absolute clown, let him rot
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on September 01, 2015, 05:10:03 PM
5 million upfront and the rest in add ons is an insult
If someone offered 5 million upfront for Harry Kane and 30 million in add ons would Spurs jump at it. I think not !!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on September 01, 2015, 05:10:24 PM
I wonder if it's genuine or not.

Either way the official line from the club will be that he was hacked, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on September 01, 2015, 05:10:38 PM
Saido saying he aint going play on twitter
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RogerBadoo on September 01, 2015, 05:11:01 PM
Clearly Spurs have agreed terms with him etc - he is probably in London now. This is Spurs problem and they have handled it terribly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 05:12:00 PM
shocking comment berahino rot in the unders
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 01, 2015, 05:12:29 PM
We need to get medieval on him. Should be hanged, drawn and quartered. Send his entrails to Levy
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on September 01, 2015, 05:12:41 PM
Sad how i cant say exactly how the club has treated me but i can officially say i will never play Jeremy Peace. @SBERAHINO     oh my goodness
Needs to remember who has been paying his wages since he was a kid, absolute idiot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on September 01, 2015, 05:12:50 PM
I'd take the 20 million hit and watch him rot for 18 months or however long he's got left on his contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 01, 2015, 05:13:03 PM
He'll be in the squad against Southampton.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on September 01, 2015, 05:13:14 PM
'will never play Jeremy Peace', as in he would never try to out-do Peace?

or

'will never play(,) Jeremy Peace', with the comma missing, meaning he will never play (for us I assume)?

or

'will never play Jeremy Peace', as in star as Jeremy Peace in the film biopic of JP's life...


You need to make things more clear Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 01, 2015, 05:14:21 PM
Sad how i cant say exactly how the club has treated me but i can officially say i will never play Jeremy Peace. @SBERAHINO     oh my goodness

And that is why spurs offered 5 mil and the rest in installments because he has a reputation of being a d**k.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on September 01, 2015, 05:14:40 PM
When his contract expires he will still be under 24 so we will get a good fee for him.

Let the cumt rot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 01, 2015, 05:15:26 PM
Grow up Saido  :o your only making yourself look like a pratt.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MICKYMEL on September 01, 2015, 05:15:39 PM
Saido needs to learn how to write properly. Makes little sense, but Spurs are as much to blame.
Really want to beat them now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 01, 2015, 05:16:49 PM
Odious little pooh. F*ck off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 01, 2015, 05:17:22 PM
Love ya mom. God is good.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on September 01, 2015, 05:17:48 PM
'will never play Jeremy Peace', as in he would never try to out-do Peace?

or

'will never play(,) Jeremy Peace', with the comma missing, meaning he will never play (for us I assume)?

or

'will never play Jeremy Peace', as in star as Jeremy Peace in the film biopic of JP's life...


You need to make things more clear Saido.
:o
Now that would be something.

The issue for Berahino is that he cannot simply 'rot' as it where. As much as it harms us, it harms himself some more. He looks massively unprofessional, doesn't get his 'shop window' etc and is still very young in his career.

If you look at Odemwingie, as bad as his attitude was, he could afford 6 months out of the game, as I believe he was about 31 at the time. Berahino is 22 and needs to be playing for himself more than anyone else...you have to wonder what goes on in his mind?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on September 01, 2015, 05:17:59 PM
Just unfollowed him on Twitter. That will teach him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 01, 2015, 05:19:19 PM
Let him rot. 

No way should we ever sell him to Spurs.

If he wants to go on strike then he's killed his career.  His problem.

I will be disgusted if JP caves in here. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on September 01, 2015, 05:19:37 PM
I don't mean to be rude to you but i think we all know exactly what he means...


*edit* apologies, obviously just clocked that your comment was satirical  ;D Thought you were defending Saido at first glance

It was. But, to me, it does read far more like: 'I would never try and play Peace because he is such a shrewd old operator', than: 'Jeremy Peace, I would like to posit to you that I will play for West Bromwich Albion no more'.

He's 22, not 12!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 01, 2015, 05:19:46 PM
I agree entirely. It's ridiculous turning down a 3rd bid for Saido. We are now left stuck with a half-hearted player who obviously wants to leave, therefore we aren't going to have the same Saido as we had last season. We are now going to be short of quality in areas that we desperately needed to improve upon. The funds from Saido would have freed up plenty enough for the final pieces of the jigsaw to be completed today. We have already got Rondon and Lambert in, perfectly adequate to cover the loss of Saido and Bobby without the probability of yet another replacement (Phillips/Austin) coming in. We have tried to out do Spurs but we have just ended up selling our club short in the long run I think.

After these latest developments from Saido I think that above post I made at 4.07 this afternoon will be proved to be spot on. There is NO point keeping a player who wants to move regardless of how good a player is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on September 01, 2015, 05:21:29 PM
Even Collymore thinks he's a tw**.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on September 01, 2015, 05:22:04 PM
Stupid little bollo let him rot in the reserves twonk
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 05:22:31 PM
even if he plays for us again he will get my fingers, god i am livid >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on September 01, 2015, 05:23:09 PM
why dont he just keep his head down and gob shut hope he getting some stick now !!!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 01, 2015, 05:23:37 PM
I agree entirely. It's ridiculous turning down a 3rd bid for Saido. We are now left stuck with a half-hearted player who obviously wants to leave, therefore we aren't going to have the same Saido as we had last season. We are now going to be short of quality in areas that we desperately needed to improve upon. The funds from Saido would have freed up plenty enough for the final pieces of the jigsaw to be completed today. We have already got Rondon and Lambert in, perfectly adequate to cover the loss of Saido and Bobby without the probability of yet another replacement (Phillips/Austin) coming in. We have tried to out do Spurs but we have just ended up selling our club short in the long run I think.

After these latest developments from Saido I think that above post I made at 4.07 this afternoon will be proved to be spot on. There is NO point keeping a player who wants to move regardless of how good a player is.

I couldn't agree more. JP likes to come out on top every time regardless. We are now stuck with a player who doesn't want to be here and IMO is not a fit for a Pulis side anyhow. Great business.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on September 01, 2015, 05:23:43 PM
fuming....id rather watch anichebe now than that tw*t
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on September 01, 2015, 05:23:59 PM
He was obviously going to be Odemwingie Mk 2. Ungrateful little runt.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 01, 2015, 05:24:07 PM
I agree entirely. It's ridiculous turning down a 3rd bid for Saido. We are now left stuck with a half-hearted player who obviously wants to leave, therefore we aren't going to have the same Saido as we had last season. We are now going to be short of quality in areas that we desperately needed to improve upon. The funds from Saido would have freed up plenty enough for the final pieces of the jigsaw to be completed today. We have already got Rondon and Lambert in, perfectly adequate to cover the loss of Saido and Bobby without the probability of yet another replacement (Phillips/Austin) coming in. We have tried to out do Spurs but we have just ended up selling our club short in the long run I think.

After these latest developments from Saido I think that above post I made at 4.07 this afternoon will be proved to be spot on. There is NO point keeping a player who wants to move regardless of how good a player is.

The 4th bid was £5 million down. So what do you think the 3rd was?? You aren't spot on, we'll get more than that via tribunal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 01, 2015, 05:24:18 PM
Let him rot then, we moan about money ruling football then even the fans sell out when the going gets tough! :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on September 01, 2015, 05:25:24 PM
Anyone see his tweet?

https://twitter.com/SBerahino/status/638744042772299776

That is the link where Saido said.

Quote
Sad how i cant say exactly how the club has treated me but i can officially say i will never play Jeremy Peace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on September 01, 2015, 05:26:52 PM
I'm just glad, if he stays, that we can rest safe in the knowledge that Morrison will sort him right out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 01, 2015, 05:28:22 PM
So, it's not looking like we've got him or a replacement. This is what can so easily happen when it all goes down to the wire and it gives us a very big headache.

Pulis will be apoplectic in every respect.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 01, 2015, 05:28:39 PM
I'm just glad, if he stays, that we can rest safe in the knowledge that Morrison will sort him right out.

Lock them in a room together. That'll sort him out.  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbako on September 01, 2015, 05:29:10 PM
Lets face it, the club have done absolutely nothing for this kid. It wasn't as if, as refugees to this country, he and his family were supported by the club when he signed for us. It wasn't as if he was supported academically and financially by the club as a teenager. It wasn't as if this club nurtured him as he developed as a footballer. It wasn't as if the club gave him his big break in English football. He owes this club absolutely nothing....


...Ooooh, hang on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on September 01, 2015, 05:29:23 PM
I'm genuinely still in shock at his tweet.

This is the first thing he's done which I think is unforgivable.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 05:30:11 PM
what car park/cafe is he sat in. i assume hes in London
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on September 01, 2015, 05:30:21 PM
I'm genuinely still in shock at his tweet.

This is the first thing he's done which I think is unforgivable.

Peter O all over again
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies_24 on September 01, 2015, 05:30:49 PM
Let him sit in the reserves for 2 years, by that point hel be 24 with a huge attitude problem and no club will touch him with a barge pole. If he'd have got on with it for 6 months and done the job he could have been looking at an England call up and a move in January silly boy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 01, 2015, 05:31:18 PM
Saido you need to learn how to handle your disappointment just like stone has.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 01, 2015, 05:32:06 PM
Needs stringing up by the balls
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 01, 2015, 05:32:40 PM
We have to make sure as fans we don't fall into the same trap we did with Odemwingie, he must be allowed to be reintegrated into the squad. He's having a tantrum, but he will soon calm down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SirTonyM on September 01, 2015, 05:33:32 PM
He doesn't play for peace he plays for West Bromwich Albion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on September 01, 2015, 05:35:24 PM
silly silly boy - he should stick it out & keep quiet, let his football do the talking - he can do better than Spurs!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 05:35:26 PM
we have hung him out to dry spuds fans :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 01, 2015, 05:35:41 PM
We have to make sure as fans we don't fall into the same trap we did with Odemwingie, he must be allowed to be reintegrated into the squad. He's having a tantrum, but he will soon calm down.

Spot on Jacko, well said.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 01, 2015, 05:36:02 PM
We have to make sure as fans we don't fall into the same trap we did with Odemwingie, he must be allowed to be reintegrated into the squad. He's having a tantrum, but he will soon calm down.
Agree ,Pulis is the best man to get him going again too..soon have an arm around him and telling the press he's been treated bad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on September 01, 2015, 05:37:19 PM
Spent a long time listening to Raheem Sterling's manager.
This is such poor form. The club could (but won't sit him in the twos for the period of his contract and I believe still get something at the end. He MUST understand that we as a club put a lot into him, he didn't get there all by himself, the clubs put faith in a player and help provide a lifestyle. Berahino is not that far behind Kane (in a better side he might be equal or in front), the club has a right to demand appropriate compensation, it is the way it works, clubs do not have to do take it in the proverbial because a bigger club shows interest. West Brom should not ever let itself be bullied by another club anywhere in the world. Liverpool showed this with Sterling and got fair compensation. Would Berahino or any other play offer to give back their wages if they play like rubbish? Will Lamela give Tottenham the difference in transfer fees if they lose on him? No of course not.
Saido signed a new contract and that provides security and bargaining power to both sides, he is acting like a petulant child of the worse kind.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 01, 2015, 05:38:04 PM
We have to make sure as fans we don't fall into the same trap we did with Odemwingie, he must be allowed to be reintegrated into the squad. He's having a tantrum, but he will soon calm down.

He's tittering on the edge 2000 he needs to keep his head down & his gob shut.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2015, 05:39:01 PM
We have to make sure as fans we don't fall into the same trap we did with Odemwingie, he must be allowed to be reintegrated into the squad. He's having a tantrum, but he will soon calm down.

Without raking over all that stuff again (threads can be found elsewhere  :D ) Odemwingie did a bit more than one tweet and carried it on. Saido needs to shut it and get his head down, let his football do the talking now before his attitude turns him into the next Michael Ricketts or Francis Jeffers
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on September 01, 2015, 05:39:35 PM
We have all done and said thing in the heat of the moment that we regret, Sadio is a spoilt, pampered, petulant young man who isn't getting his own way. I think he alludes in his tweet to promises made to him by JP, which is reminiscent of PO, is there substance to that or is it coincidence or copy cat?

I know one thing is for sure, no one will be a winner if this situation isn't resolved if he is still here after 6:00pm tonight.

I can see the PFA getting involved and acting in a conciliatory role between the club and the player.

In the long run, unless this dispute is resolved, everyone will lose out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ericlegrisly on September 01, 2015, 05:40:45 PM
Even Spuds fans not sure they want that kind of negativity at the club now. Good work Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 01, 2015, 05:40:55 PM
What a little runt. That's being kind, what a naff sport we have when players who earn thousands a week have the nerve to say that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on September 01, 2015, 05:42:12 PM
We have to make sure as fans we don't fall into the same trap we did with Odemwingie, he must be allowed to be reintegrated into the squad. He's having a tantrum, but he will soon calm down.
what trap is this, we can get by without him he deserves all the flak coming his way because he's a knob.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on September 01, 2015, 05:42:41 PM
Collymore reckons Albion could sack him but keep his registration. Not sure about this, i'm not into legalities.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Tipton Baggie on September 01, 2015, 05:43:15 PM
F*** him back off burundi. Ungreatfull s*** would be in is if it wernt for JP
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on September 01, 2015, 05:43:33 PM
If he doesn't settle down and keeps disrupting then it's his own fault when we give it back to him as fans !

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 05:43:57 PM
Collymore reckons Albion could sack him but keep his registration. Not sure about this, i'm not into legalities.



i am all for this
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 01, 2015, 05:44:27 PM
For someone who claims to be religious, he seems to be totally devoid of humility, which isn't a good sign that these particular cracks can easily be papered over.

At least, for the time being, it's distracted us from getting frustrated by the lack of signings today though!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on September 01, 2015, 05:44:49 PM
this is going to be a lose lose lose for everyone
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on September 01, 2015, 05:45:04 PM
We have all done and said thing in the heat of the moment that we regret, Sadio is a spoilt, pampered, petulant young man who isn't getting his own way. I think he alludes in his tweet to promises made to him by JP, which is reminiscent of PO, is there substance to that or is it coincidence or copy cat?

I know one thing is for sure, no one will be a winner if this situation isn't resolved if he is still here after 6:00pm tonight.

I can see the PFA getting involved and acting in a conciliatory role between the club and the player.

In the long run, unless this dispute is resolved, everyone will lose out.

Football is the big loser. Ridiculous behaviour by the likes of Berahino and Adebyor (he wants Spurs to pay up his contract - £5m - and he'll walk away to sign for West Ham) is seriously damaging how ordinary working stiffs like me view the game.

I haven't renewed this season, and today's petulant nonsense from this stupid spoilt child makes me think I made absolutely the right decision.

Right at the minute I can't see me ever putting any more money over the turnstile and into the pockets of bell ends like him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ben1983 on September 01, 2015, 05:46:24 PM
Well said Chipperfan

Our game is gong to pot, today is like a circus!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on September 01, 2015, 05:46:34 PM
The tweet is quite confusing I read it as he doesn't want toe play for us whilst jp is still chairman????? If he does mean this we should get on the phone to levy and tell him to up his bid!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on September 01, 2015, 05:47:21 PM
Simple no play no pay, balls in your court you little pooh.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 01, 2015, 05:47:45 PM
this is going to be a lose lose lose for everyone

Which is exactly why we should have taken the money and run. Even at £20m we could have strengthened the squad with that. He will never play for a big club. Spurs are his limit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wodenson46 on September 01, 2015, 05:47:58 PM
Grow up and stop behaving like a prima donna - you aint that good yet and refusing to play will do you no good at all.
Spuds aint havin ya this time so deal with it and keep taking your ridiculous salary for kicking a bladder of wind about for the Albion for another few months. You have a contract to honour and supporters to respect.

A further word of advice DO NOT bugger about with the Black country supporters son! They see you behaving right then they will respect you for it and your reputation rises. Keep tweeting like a prat and you will get treated like a prat and eventually end up at some no hope backwater sitting on the bench and thinking."if only I had learned my trade properly I could have been a star and not a splinter arsed has-been nobody wants anymore who cant get a game.

Act like a man sometimes and you might even grow up to be one. Oh and stick ypur phone up your jacksie before it really gets you into some bother     
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on September 01, 2015, 05:48:41 PM
I could understand Berahino if spuds offered 23 million and we turned them down, but surely even he must see that 6 million down and the rest on never never is not only an insult to albion but to him as well.
It shows the arrogance of levy to even table this bid and spuds fans should be ashamed of him!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 01, 2015, 05:49:40 PM
Why oh why with the club obviously knowing he wanted to leave and knowing his past actions and attitude did we not just sell him to Spurs when they made their £23 million bid a couple of hours ago, regardless of whatever the payment arrangements were. It makes no sense at all. This could be the final nail in the coffin now. What we are left with is a a squad short on the players Pulis wanted, a disruptive influence, more negative publicity. Absolute joke from the Albion yet again. When will we ever learn? I think we may well see Pulis walk from this and who could blame him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on September 01, 2015, 05:49:48 PM
Interesting that under his twitter name he has "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul",  nice quote, one of my favourites is "practice what you preach".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on September 01, 2015, 05:49:55 PM
Which is exactly why we should have taken the money and run. Even at £20m we could have strengthened the squad with that. He will never play for a big club. Spurs are his limit.
How much of the £20m would have got up front?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on September 01, 2015, 05:50:04 PM
Let him go. If he plays well at Spur, he will do the same thing again and ask spur to allow him to join a top 4 club, let him become the next Adebayor.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: amathews3416 on September 01, 2015, 05:50:11 PM
I still think there will be one final bid from Spurs.  The whole situation feels a bit orchestrated to me. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ericlegrisly on September 01, 2015, 05:50:28 PM
I could understand Berahino if spuds offered 23 million and we turned them down, but surely even he must see that 6 million down and the rest on never never is not only an insult to albion but to him as well.
It shows the arrogance of levy to even table this bid and spuds fans should be ashamed of him!

Completely right - Spurs (Levy) are the wrong 'uns in this and are taking the proverbial. Damage done now though and I'm not sure how a happy ending comes after all this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 01, 2015, 05:50:38 PM
this is going to be a lose lose lose for everyone

Afraid you're right.
Just amazed that Saido couldn't see that Spurs offer (if true) was totally unacceptable, & that by keeping his head down, he could have had an eqivalant or better move later in his career.
Somebody's clearly got his ear, & I'm not sure it's his agent. (Can't see that an agent would have advised that tweet)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on September 01, 2015, 05:51:04 PM
Which is exactly why we should have taken the money and run. Even at £20m we could have strengthened the squad with that. He will never play for a big club. Spurs are his limit.

But we were only offered £5 million up front. No club would accept that at this time for Berahino. Accept that and any club will know that you only have to unsettle one of our players to buy them for peanuts. Think about it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on September 01, 2015, 05:51:39 PM
I had a moan at Peace about not giving him a bigger rise, now i can see why he didn't. Staff at the club must know what he's like.
If he take's on Peace,and he has publicly named him on a social network, then there is only going to be one winner.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 01, 2015, 05:52:01 PM
Probably self destroying his chances of playing for a top 5 club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Groovephil on September 01, 2015, 05:52:21 PM
For me I'd ruin his career now. 2 years no football. Forget the money, sometimes it's just about the principle.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 17GD on September 01, 2015, 05:52:32 PM
Mark my words, he is saying this and naming JP publicly in order for the club to sack him, making him a free agent to get away and sign for Spurs. He's taken a leaf from Anelkas book.

silly, silly boy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 01, 2015, 05:52:37 PM
Which is exactly why we should have taken the money and run. Even at £20m we could have strengthened the squad with that. He will never play for a big club. Spurs are his limit.

Levy know what our price was so how is it our fault they keep coming back short of that, should we have dipped our cloth caps to them & said thank you very much for taking one of england's brightest forward in years off our hands for less than we wanted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 01, 2015, 05:52:51 PM
what trap is this, we can get by without him he deserves all the flak coming his way because he's a knob.
We are a lot better off with him on board when the dusts settled , get performances and a better fee for him . We can go the other way like with Pete and achieve nothing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on September 01, 2015, 05:53:40 PM
We need to publish the exact details of the Spurs offer(s) at 18.01 if they are as ridiculous as we are saying. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on September 01, 2015, 05:53:46 PM
Which is exactly why we should have taken the money and run. Even at £20m we could have strengthened the squad with that. He will never play for a big club. Spurs are his limit.

There is more at stake than that and the 20 million was constantly reported as being staggered and not giving us any real clout for now.

If he did refuse to pay I am sure he could just be constantly fined his wages by the club, so I hope he is really ready to stick that out and train with the Underage team. He would be missing top level football for 2 years, he would be missing all opportunities around national selection and he wouldn't be getting paid and when he did go somewhere it would be at a reduced wages hoping he could regain form.

Makes his comments seem extremely daft and now he needs to go back in the club and hope the lads want to play football with him anyway..

Amazing what a couple of small sentences can do, if he had shut up and just said he is contracted to West Brom and whilst that is the case he will continue to give his all he would have won admirers everywhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on September 01, 2015, 05:54:02 PM
Isn't this exactly what Schneiderlin did when he was told he couldn't go to Tinpottenham? Common denominator?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on September 01, 2015, 05:54:49 PM
BTW.. don't forget the Andy Carroll fee...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on September 01, 2015, 05:56:59 PM
Yes Loxley, he did a childish tweet then was happy playing for them within a few weeks, albeit he seems mentally stronger compared to Berahino.

£5 million could barely replace Anichebe, let alone Berahino. It will be very interesting how TP deals with Berahino now, for all his reputation, TP has been very relaxed with him and treated him well. I hope he gives him a right b0llocking  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MBWBA on September 01, 2015, 05:57:17 PM
QPR have done the same thing with their players they value at a certain price, but you don't Phillips and Austin complaining in public. He has the right to be upset and angry with the situation but annoying the fans can only make things worse for him. The club can try and spin it in a positive light but when he turns his back on the club we all love there will be problems.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andio on September 01, 2015, 05:57:35 PM
What a spoilt brat. We are now stuck with a player who clearly doesn't want to play for us and with a big attitude problem.

Marvellous  :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on September 01, 2015, 05:59:12 PM
How our greats would turn in their graves (Astle, Allen Et AL) Not fit to lace their boots.
Tw*t
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 01, 2015, 05:59:19 PM
What an immature little man......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SirTonyM on September 01, 2015, 06:00:03 PM
So Rondon and Anichibe and Lambert.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 01, 2015, 06:00:06 PM
After that tweet he has no support from me at all anymore

Surely if he refuses to play we can refuse to pay him

Stick him in the stiffs for 2 years and ruin his career!!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on September 01, 2015, 06:00:58 PM
I'm sure the owner, manager and everyone else at the club will be seething at Sadio's comments.

I'm sure his peer group will go along way to sorting him.

The owner and the manager, on the other hand, will have to be level headed and have a measured response to his petulance and take the appropriate disciplinary action.

All we fans can do is rant, rave and let off steam at him and understandably so, I'm just relieved it is the owner and manager that will resolve this issue in the short and medium terms.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on September 01, 2015, 06:02:32 PM
Window is now closed...
We should have it confirmed very soon that we have not done any business to close the window
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on September 01, 2015, 06:02:43 PM
After that tweet he has no support from me at all anymore

Surely if he refuses to play we can refuse to pay him

Stick him in the stiffs for 2 years and ruin his career!!
fully agree
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: amathews3416 on September 01, 2015, 06:03:27 PM
He may play for us again, but he sure as hell is not going to sign a new contract and we'll have to sell him for half the fee next Summer or in the January transfer window.  Everybody is applauding Peace here, I think he messed it up royally. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on September 01, 2015, 06:03:52 PM
I love Jeremy Peace!

What a stupid footballer, all he had to do was get on with playing football and then we sell him in January. His tweet today shows how stupid footballers actually are.

And as for Spurs, if they had offered £25mill then he would have gone there
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 01, 2015, 06:03:59 PM
Hopefully Morrison lays the smackdown again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on September 01, 2015, 06:04:45 PM
He may play for us again, but he sure as hell is not going to sign a new contract and we'll have to sell him for half the fee next Summer or in the January transfer window.  Everybody is applauding Peace here, I think he messed it up royally.

We will still get 10m plus through a tribunal
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on September 01, 2015, 06:05:04 PM
He may play for us again, but he sure as hell is not going to sign a new contract and we'll have to sell him for half the fee next Summer or in the January transfer window.  Everybody is applauding Peace here, I think he messed it up royally.

Sometimes it's about the principle though, we agree the deal on the cheap then it shows every big club that they can do it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on September 01, 2015, 06:05:10 PM
Just listened to Thierry Henry talking about him. "He should respect the club, the fans..."

He has more class in his little finger than Berahino will ever have in his entire body.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2015, 06:05:18 PM
Even Collymore thinks he's a tw**.

He is........................and so is Saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on September 01, 2015, 06:05:47 PM
Maybe Saido should be directing his anger at the chairman/club who courted him in the media for months, unsettled him, convinced him to put in a transfer request, then failed spectacularly to actually offer the going rate for such a player when he needed them to.........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 01, 2015, 06:06:01 PM
Window is now closed...
We should have it confirmed very soon that we have not done any business to close the window

No it isn't.
So long as a deal has been agreed in principle and submitted to the Premier League clubs can still negotiate and ratify until 8pm tonight.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on September 01, 2015, 06:08:30 PM
Just listened to Thierry Henry talking about him. "He should respect the club, the fans..."

He has more class in his little finger than Berahino will ever have in his entire body.

couldnt agree more mate
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: brummyroader on September 01, 2015, 06:10:04 PM
It's only the club and us fans that will miss out. Should've sold when his value was at his highest now we have a player that doesn't fit how we want to play.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on September 01, 2015, 06:11:36 PM
If the whole episode has shown us something it is that you should always take the money like Swansea and Southampton in recent years. There are lots of good players out there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WD40 on September 01, 2015, 06:12:56 PM
So we should have sold him now for 5/6 mil with no guarantee of more ???
I'd rather watch him rot
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 01, 2015, 06:13:14 PM
http://vine.co/v/ejwtHVV3zuJ (http://vine.co/v/ejwtHVV3zuJ)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on September 01, 2015, 06:13:42 PM
If the whole episode has shown us something it is that you should always take the money like Swansea and Southampton in recent years. There are lots of good players out there.
yes but we wouldn't have signed any
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on September 01, 2015, 06:14:37 PM
I do think that, watching and listening to Sky they are over sensationalising the issue with Sadio, it adds to the drama and makes for good viewing. All that Jim White is saying is that Sadio has said he won't play for West Brom again, which is not entirely accurate. But we all believe the hype.

He hasn't directly said he won't play for West Bromwich Albion again, people have interpreted as that and they may be correct, but we will have to wait and see how this saga develops.

ps thanks very much DL, who is now saying its our fault for disclosing the bids, joker!!

The only person talking sense on this situation is Jamie Redknapp, who blames DL, but he has an axe to grind hasn't he?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 01, 2015, 06:15:43 PM
Lets be fair, the spuds tried to get him on the cheap and they came up against an immovable force..... how long has this move been talked about and they could still not get it sorted. Pathetic.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on September 01, 2015, 06:21:39 PM
"Sky sources understand that the deal to take Saido Berahino to Spurs failed to happen simply because the West Brom chairman Jeremy Peace refused to do business.

Tottenham are known to be surprised that Peace chose to make Spurs’ four bids public and made the process personal.

The disappointment felt in north London from the failure to get the deal over the line has been compounded by a belief that both the player and the West Brom manager Tony Pulis wanted the deal to happen.That feeling has been strengthened by the player’s tweet this afternoon suggesting he won’t play for the Baggies again.

We believe negotiations between the two clubs started as long as four months ago and that Spurs received encouraging signs from the Hawthorns throughout the summer."


Don't know it's true or not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 01, 2015, 06:22:22 PM
£5 million down payment.
 :P.

If Saido is going to complain about the way ANY club has acted throughout this affair, he should direct his ire towards Tottenham Hotspur.

He may have decided that he will never 'play' JP, but Levy has definitely played HIM and seemingly failed in his attempt to 'play' JP.

Now lad, tuck your nuts up and get on with it.

IT is a thing called life.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on September 01, 2015, 06:23:53 PM
Sky sources understand that the deal to take Saido Berahino to Spurs failed to happen simply because the West Brom chairman Jeremy Peace refused to do business.

Tottenham are known to be surprised that Peace chose to make Spurs’ four bids public and made the process personal.

The disappointment felt in north London from the failure to get the deal over the line has been compounded by a belief that both the player and the West Brom manager Tony Pulis wanted the deal to happen.That feeling has been strengthened by the player’s tweet this afternoon suggesting he won’t play for the Baggies again.

We believe negotiations between the two clubs started as long as four months ago and that Spurs received encouraging signs from the Hawthorns throughout the summer.

http://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre/ (http://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre/)
Don't know it's true or not.
Sounds like Tottenham PR spin to me. It makes everyone look like the good guys and Peace as an evil villain, even making Berahino look innocent in all of this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 01, 2015, 06:24:25 PM
I do think that, watching and listening to Sky they are over sensationalising the issue with Sadio, it adds to the drama and makes for good viewing. All that Jim White is saying is that Sadio has said he won't play for West Brom again, which is not entirely accurate. But we all believe the hype.

He hasn't directly said he won't play for West Bromwich Albion again, people have interpreted as that and they may be correct, but we will have to wait and see how this saga develops.

ps thanks very much DL, who is now saying its our fault for disclosing the bids, joker!!

The only person talking sense on this situation is Jamie Redknapp, who blames DL, but he has an axe to grind hasn't he?
DO says we disclosed the bids and adds the snippet that TP wanted to sell. The bloke is a joke who has spent all summer courting the press to do his bidding and finally came upon his match who slapped him and his poor behaviour.  How many other negotiations regarding our bids or players have made it into the press under JP?



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 01, 2015, 06:25:37 PM
"Sky sources understand that the deal to take Saido Berahino to Spurs failed to happen simply because the West Brom chairman Jeremy Peace refused to do business.

Tottenham are known to be surprised that Peace chose to make Spurs’ four bids public and made the process personal.

The disappointment felt in north London from the failure to get the deal over the line has been compounded by a belief that both the player and the West Brom manager Tony Pulis wanted the deal to happen.That feeling has been strengthened by the player’s tweet this afternoon suggesting he won’t play for the Baggies again.

We believe negotiations between the two clubs started as long as four months ago and that Spurs received encouraging signs from the Hawthorns throughout the summer."


Don't know it's true or not.

I see that the Spurs propaganda machine is kicking in.
If negotiations have been going on for four months, they will have known that any price would need to amount to more than a £5 mill' down payment.
idiots.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on September 01, 2015, 06:32:12 PM
This is biggest f****** shambles in the history of English football. Closely followed by the Odemwingie saga. Thank the gods we have ostracised our best player and will have to make do with a DECIDELY average side. *sarcasm*. I'm angry.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on September 01, 2015, 06:34:36 PM
Sounds like Levy calling on his media links.  I'm sure if Peace had said 'Tony I've just sold your star player, now here's £5 million for you to build a team with' Pulis would have been far from happy. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 01, 2015, 06:35:02 PM
Pulis wanted to sell him ? Sneaky press from spurs or the truth ? I swear I heard Pulis say he wanted him to stay last week  :-\.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2015, 06:38:33 PM
The bloke is a bellend.

There is talk about reintegrating him into the team?

They can carry on - but I'll be making my thoughts known. A poisonous, arrogant little ****.

I still don't want us to sell him - I want us to be petulant and let him rot in the reserves - just like we should have done with Odemwingie.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 01, 2015, 06:39:24 PM
Does anyone know what a typical down payment on a transfer is, percentage wise? Paying in installments is not unusual as I understand it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on September 01, 2015, 06:39:59 PM
Pulis wanted to sell him ? Sneaky press from spurs or the truth ? I swear I heard Pulis say he wanted him to stay last week  :-\.
That is what I heard as well. Spurs trying to bend the truth for their fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2015, 06:41:01 PM
I get the impression from all the goings on that Saido had his head turned by a few people (no pooh Sherlock I know  :D ) whol told him exactly the deal on the table. He saw how his mate Raheem played it and how it got him his move plus Robbie Savage's wise words at the weekend on causing problems and towards the end thought doing that might swing it but it failed.

I guess he may (no idea, purely hypothetical) have received an inkling from our club that he would be allowed to go at a certain price so built his hopes up. Pulis built his hopes up at what he thought he was getting to spend hence his comments about bringing 3-4 players in

BUT and its the biggest issue of all NO-ONE expected Daniel Levy to act like an asshole and made derisory up front offers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2015, 06:41:52 PM
It's only the club and us fans that will miss out. Should've sold when his value was at his highest now we have a player that doesn't fit how we want to play.

How can you possibly do that when;
a) only one club puts in an offer
b) that offer is derisory
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on September 01, 2015, 06:42:30 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/493424/Southampton-are-slammed-as-Spurs-target-Schneiderlin-tweets-his-fury-at-club (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/493424/Southampton-are-slammed-as-Spurs-target-Schneiderlin-tweets-his-fury-at-club)

Last summer Morgan Schneiderlin did the similar thing, he blamed his club(Southampton) on twitter after he was unable to join Spur .

But after that he still played for Southampton and finally being sold to Man Utd this summer for £24m.

Take this as a reference, we have to let Sadio plays and if he plays well, we will receive a bigger offer from other club next summer without doubt.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on September 01, 2015, 06:43:02 PM
Pulis wanted him gone, that says everything for me. Get rid in January and get phillips and a striker in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on September 01, 2015, 06:43:31 PM
The bloke is a bellend.

There is talk about reintegrating him into the team?

They can carry on - but I'll be making my thoughts known. A poisonous, arrogant little ****.

I still don't want us to sell him - I want us to be petulant and let him rot in the reserves - just like we should have done with Odemwingie.

Don't you see the hypocrisy in this statement. Letting him rot would be just as petualant as you think saido has been.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2015, 06:48:09 PM
Don't you see the hypocrisy in this statement. Letting him rot would be just as petualant as you think saido has been.

Yes. I saw it. And I'm not particularly bothered.

If he doesn't want to play then let him rot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on September 01, 2015, 06:49:35 PM
Why should we bow down to these clubs ? We valued him £25million and they didn't come up to that figure on four occasions ,why should we just except it ,and has for him to treat the club with disrespect then let him rot . A club who gave him an education , a club who gave him a chance in life what some of of these migrants in the news can only ever dream of ,the kind of money people will never see in a lifetime A club that put a roof over his mother and families head Yes !  Put him up in A club house . YOU are ungrateful , greedy , .........!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pauly414 on September 01, 2015, 06:50:11 PM
Now the knob head want's to go on strike, let him strike, pay him nothing. I hope he never wears the shirt again. >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on September 01, 2015, 06:51:42 PM
Wouldn't be surprised at a month loan to a championship side if he persists. Let him simmer down and get his mind on his game. As things stand, for all I applaud Peace protecting the club's main asset, no one benefits by fans getting on his back.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on September 01, 2015, 06:52:36 PM
Now the knob head want's to go on strike, let him strike, pay him nothing. I hope he never wears the shirt again. >:(
Where have you seen this?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 01, 2015, 06:52:46 PM
We out and out told Spurs what we would sell for, and they didn't offer it. Not many clubs give you a clue of their selling point.

As for SB (I refuse to type his name) I'm sick to my stomach we gave him Astles shirt. He's a disgrace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2015, 06:54:42 PM
Peace revealed that the final day of transfer business did not pass without Tottenham making two further attempts to sign Albion’s top scorer from the 2014-15 campaign, Saido Berahino.

The striker has been the subject of two previous rejected bids from Albion’s Premier League rivals. Tottenham’s third and fourth attempts met the same fate today.

Peace said: “We have a key player who has been very unsettled by antics which were designed to get him out of our club cheaply.

"Those tactics have continued despite my making our position clear in my first conversation with Daniel Levy on this subject in mid-August.

“I said selling Saido so late in the window was not on our agenda.

“Tottenham’s offers failed substantially to reflect Saido’s true value while the timing made no allowance for our own recruitment of a suitable replacement for a proven Premier League goalscorer.

“Saido has been unsettled to the point where our Head Coach has not felt able to select him for our last three games.

“We are now left with the task of repairing the damage created by this unfortunate episode.”


Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-baggies-peace-2663498.aspx#ThP07ly0Ttvmf3Kp.99
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pauly414 on September 01, 2015, 06:55:21 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9975297/west-brom-reject-third-tottenham-bid-for-saido-berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 01, 2015, 06:55:31 PM
I wonder how much of this is Levy being petulant in return and stirring things up knowing full well Jeza was bound to turn him down? He's now managed to seriously unsettle one of our key players for the rest of the season and makes us one less threat to his team going forward?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 06:57:52 PM
Have you seen the spuds shirt with Berahino on it ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on September 01, 2015, 07:01:59 PM
Have you seen the spuds shirt with Berahino on it ;D
Yeah some daft cow on Facebook 😂
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 07:07:57 PM
Where is he then Arry
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on September 01, 2015, 07:11:14 PM
The point is Berahino is very unhappy with the way Albion and Peace have treated him, well Saido just think for one minute if Spurs had really wanted you then they would have agreed to Albion's terms. Also the club looked after him and nurtured him into what he is today but the spoilt brat shows not one ounce of loyalty to the club and Peace in particular. I do not care whether I would want to see him in an Albion shirt again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on September 01, 2015, 07:18:09 PM
Jezza should ask Saido to put in writing to him that he will not play for him again. Saido hasn't got the guts........would be
hillarious to see Jezza then advise him that his wages will not be paid until he decides otherwise, not to mention his nice juicy fine for breaching social media rules.

The terms offered by Spurs were simply not good enough, and too late in the day to allow for replacements. The petulant little sod needs a reality check and needs to understand the ways of the world.

He's dumb and disrespectful to all of the fans who have spent their hard earned wages to follow the team and support him to the hilt.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on September 01, 2015, 07:28:10 PM
this is going to be a lose lose lose for everyone

Not true.

I've won £60 on him still being at West Brom.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 01, 2015, 07:30:27 PM
Levy screwed Berahino's brain up and then only wanted to pay 5 mill up front, because he knew that he unsettled the player.
A gutter dealer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on September 01, 2015, 07:33:51 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/493424/Southampton-are-slammed-as-Spurs-target-Schneiderlin-tweets-his-fury-at-club (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/493424/Southampton-are-slammed-as-Spurs-target-Schneiderlin-tweets-his-fury-at-club)

Last summer Morgan Schneiderlin did the similar thing, he blamed his club(Southampton) on twitter after he was unable to join Spur .

But after that he still played for Southampton and finally being sold to Man Utd this summer for £24m.

Take this as a reference, we have to let Sadio plays and if he plays well, we will receive a bigger offer from other club next summer without doubt.

The difference with MS is southampton hit the ground running and had a good season. It made it a lot easier for him to be happy.

Also, the £5m up front is red herring like already mentioned. How much was guaranteed and how much was speculative is the issue. If it was £5m now, followed by £5m for the next 3 years then £20m for certain plus 'realistic' incentives isn't at all bad in my opinion. Either way, the club deemed it not good enough I guess.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2015, 07:39:22 PM
I hope we have a good cup run culminating at Wembley, then drop the little git for the final.
Bet that would mash his head up
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on September 01, 2015, 07:40:43 PM
Not true.

I've won £60 on him still being at West Brom.

Perhaps you could put it towards the spoilt brats fine for degrading the club and its supporters again on social media.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on September 01, 2015, 07:45:10 PM
Bera needs to learn he has just been played by the spuds money man! If reports of 5m down are true, I for one would be mightily p***ed off that was all they were willing to put down! Whoever is advising him has stitched him up! Obviously thought they could mug Mr Peace off, wrong wrong and wrong again.
The kid is going to have to pull up trees for the fans to get back on side now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on September 01, 2015, 07:48:40 PM
Perhaps you could put it towards the spoilt brats fine for degrading the club and its supporters again on social media.

I'm going to buy chips with it.  Lots of chips! 

Actually skybet will probably get it back over the next few weeks...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on September 01, 2015, 07:51:33 PM
Bera needs to learn he has just been played by the spuds money man! If reports of 5m down are true, I for one would be mightily p***ed off that was all they were willing to put down! Whoever is advising him has stitched him up! Obviously thought they could mug Mr Peace off, wrong wrong and wrong again.
The kid is going to have to pull up trees for the fans to get back on side now.

He has burnt his bridge's with me and as far as I am concerned I cant wait to see him go in January
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on September 01, 2015, 07:55:49 PM
He has burnt his bridge's with me and as far as I am concerned I cant wait to see him go in January
why wait till January, id urine myself if we loaned the tool to a championship club, how about mk dons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2015, 07:56:34 PM
He should be upset with Daniel Levy not Jeremy Peace - if Levy hadn't made such a derisory, insulting offer then Berahino would most likely be a Tottenham player now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2015, 07:57:09 PM
why wait till January, id urine myself if we loaned the tool to a championship club, how about mk dons.

We tried loaning him out before and he was sent back to us because of his attitude.

Of course, everything is Jeremy Peace's fault.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Marcus on September 01, 2015, 08:00:07 PM
If he had half a brain he'd realise that because Spurs couldn't palm Adebayor off on anyone they were never going to be able to structure a deal that was acceptable to WBA. No point blaming wicked uncle Jeremy.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dubya BA on September 01, 2015, 08:00:18 PM
No one like's this situation so we can all agree on that and blame has already been apportioned depending on your opinion to Peace, Levy, Saido or whoever.

I can't agree though that Saido rotting in the reserves is good for anyone. Surely it's best for everyone to get on with doing what they do.

The most important relationship is between Saido and the supporters of our club. Saido needs to play well and we need to support him well. If both those things happen then we will all be happy whether he stays or goes at the next transfer window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Downunder Stripes on September 01, 2015, 08:02:39 PM
Loan him out to Walsall for the rest of 2015 ( reality check )
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on September 01, 2015, 08:06:29 PM
A Southampton fans take on transfer deadline day (from bbc sport) - for Morgan Schneiderlin read Saido Berahino

Despite unnecessary drama from certain quarters, Saints retained both Sadio Mane and Victor Wanyama. The Kenyan midfielder would do well to heed boss Ronald Koeman’s advice and learn from Morgan Schneiderlin. With application, he too can do better than a move to Spurs next summer. Overall though, a day of positives for supporters of Southampton.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on September 01, 2015, 08:06:50 PM
No one like's this situation so we can all agree on that and blame has already been apportioned depending on your opinion to Peace, Levy, Saido or whoever.

I can't agree though that Saido rotting in the reserves is good for anyone. Surely it's best for everyone to get on with doing what they do.

The most important relationship is between Saido and the supporters of our club. Saido needs to play well and we need to support him well. If both those things happen then we will all be happy whether he stays or goes at the next transfer window.

Yes but he also needs firstly to apologize to the club and its supporters for his pathetic outburst on twitter. And no TP I won't have this rubbish about how he needs protection. He needs to grow up and realise that he has a responsibility towards the club that pays his wages and have supported him fully after his previous misdemeanors.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2015, 08:06:55 PM
No one like's this situation so we can all agree on that and blame has already been apportioned depending on your opinion to Peace, Levy, Saido or whoever.

I can't agree though that Saido rotting in the reserves is good for anyone. Surely it's best for everyone to get on with doing what they do.

The most important relationship is between Saido and the supporters of our club. Saido needs to play well and we need to support him well. If both those things happen then we will all be happy whether he stays or goes at the next transfer window.

Tell him to apologise for the immature tweet then.

He needs to look at what he has, look at what he had and who helped him get what he has - West Bromwich Albion Football Club

Supporters of this club have backed him through his mistakes as well as his goals. The club have backed him after he was sent back from Brentford being being a brat, backed him after his immaturity with Nitros Oxide, getting himself and the club publicity for the wrong reasons and then there's his drink driving of course so I think plenty of people have been patient with him and now because it hasn't worked out as he was no doubt told by the cockerneys and others how it would work out he has to grow up, get on with what he is paid to do and above all either explain his tweet or apologise for it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 08:06:59 PM
Loan him out to Walsall for the rest of 2015 ( reality check )


i tend to agree, loan him out.hes a bad un
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 01, 2015, 08:07:01 PM
I wouldn't want to play for a club that think I'm only worth £5 million to them
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on September 01, 2015, 08:11:31 PM
Tell him to apologise for the immature tweet then.

He needs to look at what he has, look at what he had and who helped him get what he has - West Bromwich Albion Football Club

Supporters of this club have backed him through his mistakes as well as his goals. The club have backed him after he was sent back from Brentford being being a brat, backed him after his immaturity with Nitros Oxide, getting himself and the club publicity for the wrong reasons and then there's his drink driving of course so I think plenty of people have been patient with him and now because it hasn't worked out as he was no doubt told by the cockerneys and others how it would work out he has to grow up, get on with what he is paid to do and above all either explain his tweet or apologise for it.
Bang on, this club has been excellent to him. Including Pulis, who needs to come down harder on him after this episode and remind him that he has to earn his respect.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on September 01, 2015, 08:14:05 PM
I understand that there is no loyalty in football on any front (other than from fans to a club), so I don't expect players to be "loyal" or feel that grateful unless there are special circumstances.

What I do however expect is that there is a certain amount of respect there, baring in mind that these footballers are earning vast sums of money for very little, purely because fans are prepared to pay £40-£50 quid for tickets, £120 a month on a TV subscription and hundreds on club merchandise, travel, food etc on home and away games.

Saido Berahino comes across as having no respect at all for the fans. He has had a few twitter outbursts now and this latest one, when it was obvious he had to stay, shows the contempt in which he holds the fans, especially the tweets he later deleted.

The kid is a brat - he does not deserve hero worship I will not boo him, but I will never sing his name while he wears out shirt.

I am glad we made a stand.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on September 01, 2015, 08:20:51 PM
Prize bell end, totally detached from reality. Disrespecting the bloke who gave him everything he has, including his latest massive payrise, the club and above all the fans.
JP really gone up in my estimation, principle over money. Bravo JP.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on September 01, 2015, 08:22:06 PM
I'm going to buy chips with it.  Lots of chips! 

Actually skybet will probably get it back over the next few weeks...

Great don't forget the giant chip on Berahino's shoulder!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on September 01, 2015, 08:29:25 PM
Glad the club stuck to their principles but we seem to have another Odemwingie situation on our hands again.

Disappointed that he felt the need to hand in a transfer request but more so of his childish reaction in not being able to force through the move.

He was happy enough to sign the contract so should be prepared to honour it, hopefully Pulis will be able to talk him round or failing that maybe Mozza will have a word?

He really needs to accept the current situation, knuckle down and earn his move away either in January or next Summer.

If he does that I am sure that both parties will be satisfied and I for one will be pleased to see him and his attitude go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on September 01, 2015, 08:29:56 PM
its going to be very interesting what happens next,if he wont play he wont get paid his value will also drop
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 01, 2015, 08:30:04 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9975297/saido-berahino-threatens-to-never-play-for-jeremy-peace-again-after-west-brom-block-tottenham-move

Henry and Redknap talk about it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ianbrown9999 on September 01, 2015, 08:30:12 PM
I'd loan him out to a Russian team, see how they like him over there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on September 01, 2015, 08:33:17 PM
Came from another country where his family suffered. Nutured and look after through all his issues, now this. Hang your head in shame
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on September 01, 2015, 08:33:30 PM
Poor old saido you need a good kick up the backside you bollo. Well done JP in showing who the boss is. Saido JPS bitch
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on September 01, 2015, 08:36:09 PM
Poor old saido you need a good kick up the backside you bollo. Well done JP in showing who the boss is. Saido JPS bitch

Hahaha! Albion should take Berahino off his shirt and put that on the back.

Wearing number eighteen, JP's Bitch. Hilarious.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on September 01, 2015, 08:36:20 PM
its going to be very interesting what happens next,if he wont play he wont get paid his value will also drop
JP knows his value will drop, but took that risk to stick to his principles, which I think is fantastic. I really hope da do Rondon and Lambert can do enough to keep him out. I don't care if his price goes down, this club is worth more than money to me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2015, 08:38:08 PM
I understand that there is no loyalty in football on any front (other than from fans to a club), so I don't expect players to be "loyal" or feel that grateful unless there are special circumstances.

What I do however expect is that there is a certain amount of respect there, baring in mind that these footballers are earning vast sums of money for very little, purely because fans are prepared to pay £40-£50 quid for tickets, £120 a month on a TV subscription and hundreds on club merchandise, travel, food etc on home and away games.

Saido Berahino comes across as having no respect at all for the fans. He has had a few twitter outbursts now and this latest one, when it was obvious he had to stay, shows the contempt in which he holds the fans, especially the tweets he later deleted.

The kid is a brat - he does not deserve hero worship I will not boo him, but I will never sing his name while he wears out shirt.

I am glad we made a stand.

What are the deleted tweets? First I've heard of these.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 01, 2015, 08:39:59 PM
JP knows his value will drop, but took that risk to stick to his principles, which I think is fantastic. I really hope da do Rondon and Lambert can do enough to keep him out. I don't care if his price goes down, this club is worth more than money to me.

Same mate I hope it's a case of us and him not having to compromise and let him feck off in January.

That being said if results go bad in September I'd be tempted to just chuck him back in then it's up to the fans what they want to do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on September 01, 2015, 08:45:33 PM
Spurs fans are as upset as some of us about their dealings. These are a couple of extracts from one of their forums
http://www.thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/summer-2015-transfer-window-discussion-thread.13285/page-1466

"Everyone is wise to Levy's methods. Football is awash with money from the new TV deal. That's why Peace could turn round & say "pay us what we value our player at, or f#ck off Daniel". On SSN, the reporter at Albions ground said that the final bid was Little more than the 3rd bid. If we lost out on our number 1 (& only) target because Levy refused to meet an asking price that was set several months ago when we first enquired about his availability, then we should have bowed out graciously some time ago, & looked elsewhere for a second striker or been prepared to meet the asking price. Peace has even said that he told Levy that an 11th hour deal was not in their plans, so it shouldn't come as a shock to Levy that they refused to take less money at the 11th hour"

"It seems Jeremy Peace has been the suicide bomber of the transfer window here and really has put Levy in the sh#tter

Levy didn't account for the fact there would be a chairman out there more belligerent than him who is willing to have left the window with no money and an upset striker"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on September 01, 2015, 08:50:55 PM
5Live had it down to a tee, this new TV deal has meant that clubs like Southampton, West Brom and Everton will no longer be held to ransom for their prized assets.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BewdleyBaggie on September 01, 2015, 08:52:27 PM
why wait till January, id urine myself if we loaned the tool to a championship club, how about mk dons.
  Kiddy Harriers for me.  It'd be close to home, I wouldn't want to separate him from his mum.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on September 01, 2015, 08:56:27 PM
No one can blame Jeremy Peace for this, he said he had no interest in selling Berahino,but would if Spuds paid £25m.
Is there anything wrong he did there?
A player under contract to a club isn't valued at what another club think's he is worth but what he is worth to his club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on September 01, 2015, 09:05:41 PM
What are the deleted tweets? First I've heard of these.

I saw a few tweets retweeted today including Berahino saying something about everyone thinking they don't feel he is mature enough to talk and yet now it isn't there. Did anyone else see those tweets?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on September 01, 2015, 09:18:02 PM
I saw a few tweets retweeted today including Berahino saying something about everyone thinking they don't feel he is mature enough to talk and yet now it isn't there. Did anyone else see those tweets?

yeah i saw them, they were from his last dolly throwing session i think.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on September 01, 2015, 09:20:27 PM
Thanks sessegod, it makes sense. Shows how immature he is. He has never learnt his lesson.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 01, 2015, 09:24:20 PM
BBC were saying that he is not a very popular squad member and he may be disruptive in the dressing room, but there are plenty of strong characters who will keep him inline.

He is clearly a very foolish young man, needs a father around it seems.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2015, 09:27:15 PM
BBC were saying that he is not a very popular squad member and he may be disruptive in the dressing room, but there are plenty of strong characters who will keep him inline.

He is clearly a very foolish young man, needs a father around it seems.

I'm sure Mozza will oblige by duly twatting him one occasionally
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on September 01, 2015, 09:28:04 PM
BBC were saying that he is not a very popular squad member and he may be disruptive in the dressing room, but there are plenty of strong characters who will keep him inline.

He is clearly a very foolish young man, needs a father around it seems.

Morrison for one...nice right hook might help cool him down  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on September 01, 2015, 09:29:47 PM
loan him to arsenal to cheese spurs off  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 01, 2015, 09:31:02 PM
Well done Jezza.

More balls than anyone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on September 01, 2015, 09:31:29 PM
Lol beat me to it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 01, 2015, 09:37:59 PM
I don't think he will be very popular at the training ground.
A few crunch tackles and elbow digs?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dubya BA on September 01, 2015, 09:44:36 PM
So now the Daily Star is saying that he is going on strike on the basis of his admittedly silly tweet:

Sad how i cant say exactly how the club has treated me but i can officially say i will never play Jeremy Peace

Not even good English but my interpretation is not that he will 'go on strike'.

It's hard to be sure (as I say because it's badly written but I would say that it more likely means that he won't be playing out of loyalty to Peace not that he won't play.

If he does happen to refuse to play then he would be in breach of contract and lose his wages. That would be the same as going on strike.

I doubt that he would be that stupid.

As I said before it's about the supporters  and that's who he would be letting down.

He does needs to apologise and then he needs to be available for selection.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on September 01, 2015, 09:48:19 PM
5Live had it down to a tee, this new TV deal has meant that clubs like Southampton, West Brom and Everton will no longer be held to ransom for their prized assets.
.   Good point well made.Why should we ? Hope Tone backs the club on this one
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 01, 2015, 09:49:30 PM
I hope that your interpretation is right Dubya BA.
Edit....
His heart wont be playing for JP but it will be playing for for WBA.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on September 01, 2015, 09:52:50 PM
BBC were saying that he is not a very popular squad member and he may be disruptive in the dressing room, but there are plenty of strong characters who will keep him inline.

He is clearly a very foolish young man, needs a father around it seems.
I think we can assume this is a given.
TP alluded to it a few weeks back, that before he arrived he wasn't really part of 'the group'. Also, the SSN reporter outside our ground today said that a WBA staff member said that he wasn't particularly well liked...it says a lot about his character.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 01, 2015, 09:53:31 PM
So now the Daily Star is saying that he is going on strike on the basis of his admittedly silly tweet:

Sad how i cant say exactly how the club has treated me but i can officially say i will never play Jeremy Peace

Not even good English but my interpretation is not that he will 'go on strike'.

It's hard to be sure (as I say because it's badly written but I would say that it more likely means that he won't won't be playing out of loyalty to Peace not that he won't play.

If he does happen to refuse to play then he would be in breach of contract and lose his wages. That would be the same as going on strike.

I doubt that he would be that stupid.

As I said before it's about the supporters  and that's who he would be letting down.

He does needs to apologise and then he needs to be available for selection.

Is that right? If it is, then good so he should.

Interesting to see how this will play out. Surely the boy is not foolish enough to cut his nose/ value off by not playing. It's potentially PO all over again... who of course has had a shining career since.

Come on, Bera, don't cry into your boots. I'm pretty sure that isn't what your dad would have wanted.
If you plan to go, go with some style. Listen to Thierry Henry, who should be a beacon to you. All you're doing now just tarnishes everything you have achieved.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2015, 09:56:37 PM
 For a kid who came to this country with absolutely nothing and is such a god loving person you would think he would be eternally grateful for what he has without the greed for more. Not saying he shouldn't always aim for more and better but he shouldn't be greedy for it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 01, 2015, 09:56:48 PM
He could be the next Ravel Morrison, a young starlet whose attitude stops him from reaching the heights of his potential.

He needs to keep his head down and realise that Spurs didn't want him that much or they would have put a serious bid in for him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on September 01, 2015, 09:56:55 PM
Refusing to play equals work refusal, which would mean he won't get paid. What good would that do him?

Albion have invested alot of time and  money in him when you look at how he has been brought through the WBA Academy. If Albion were just trading on a recent purchase,  Peace would have had less of case for sticking to his principles.     

He will have to swallow his pride, say sorry and knuckle down and use probably his only skill, playing football.  It would be absolutely pointless for him going on strike.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 01, 2015, 10:01:41 PM
He ain't Regis. He ain't Cunningham. He ain't Batson.

 >:( :( :'(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 01, 2015, 10:02:58 PM
I don't begrudge the lad wanting to move on to earn more / play in Europe etc but his attitude absolutely stinks. I know the game has changed blah blah blah (almost invariably for the f***ing worse by the way - no that is not just blind nostalgia) but he has behaved disgustingly - make no bones about it. Not fit to wear the shirt or lace the boots of an Astle, Allen or Richardson. Should have his head stuck on a pike outside the ground (only semi joking  ;))
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 01, 2015, 10:09:39 PM
Id get him in the dressing room with Pulis, Fletcher and Bomber Brown.

I'd get them to give him the 'pull your act together son' chat, slap round the face, and get on with it until we can ship him out.

If he gets us 10 goals between now and Jan, job done. Then he can pi$$ off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 01, 2015, 10:11:20 PM
I think young Saido should be asking himself why only Spurs showed any interest and even then weren't prepared to risk cash on him without It being de risked by multiple clauses?

He should also ask himself why none of the clubs he aspires to play for appear to be willing to touch him with a massive barge pole.

The answer is nothing to do with West Bromwich Albion or Jeremy Peace, the answer is in th bathroom mirror - the same answer that got him physically ejected from his loan spell at Brentford, caught inhaling god knows what and then banned from driving for being under the influence.

From a tough start in life he's been given everything by our club and would do well to remember this. Where was Daniel Levy, his agent and all the other hangers on then?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: palmaroy on September 01, 2015, 10:12:44 PM
He ain't Regis. He ain't Cunningham. He ain't Batson.

 >:( :( :'(
He ain't very popular
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies_24 on September 01, 2015, 10:13:37 PM
Id love to be a fly on the wall when he is called into Pulis's office and ripped a new one to then be told he has to go to the chairman's office to explain himself. I bet he'l wake up feeling a very silly boy tomorrow and I hope the club make an example of him that they won't be held to ransome by a player.  Such shortsightedness  on his behalf, if he'd have got his head down and worked hard for 6 months he would have been looking at an England call up and who knows maybe a move to the top 4 instead his career now belongs in the hands of Pulis and Peace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on September 01, 2015, 10:14:28 PM
I think young Saido should be asking himself why only Spurs showed any interest and even then weren't prepared to risk cash on him without It being de risked by multiple clauses?

He should also ask himself why none of the clubs he aspires to play for appear to be willing to touch him with a massive barge pole.

The answer is nothing to do with West Bromwich Albion or Jeremy Peace, the answer is in th bathroom mirror - the same answer that got him physically ejected from his loan spell at Brentford, caught inhaling god knows what and then banned from driving for being under the influence.

From a tough start in life he's been given everything by our club and would do well to remember this. Where was Daniel Levy, his agent and all the other hangers on then?

Top post. I hope Berahino reads it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 01, 2015, 10:24:07 PM
I bear no grudge towards Saido even though I think he is being a bit childish.

However I hope Spurs' wheels come off this season and Levy finds a bit of an embarrassing itch in his pants area. That's me being childish.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 01, 2015, 10:40:53 PM
been very gutted about the whole saido thing, personally i want him in our squad..regardless of what some of you say the kids got bags of potential and i can only see him getting better

keep reading about spurs making/preparing new bids for him was making me nervous because i wanted him to stay (i couldnt give a damn about what hes said, done, his attitude, what drugs he likes, how fast he drives his car - no one is perfect, he just seems to get caught doing the things most other humans do)

 i dont hold a grudge for what he said because none of us REALLY know whats gone on behind the scenes.. he should of just kept quiet but if i was in his shoes id probably slate a club for holding me back to - i know most of you would do the same even if you are all angels and deny it :)

he's obviously still a west brom player at the moment, until i pay his wages.. i couldnt give a damn what he says or does

if he stays until the end of the season or jan and gets played...could we all be abit more mature instead of lowering to his level and appreciate any goals he scores for us?

our support is sh*t as it is with the constant boo'ing of certain players at every single game we play - how on earth do you expect our players to want to play for us when most of em get hurled abuse by their own fans? lol

realistically we need him in the squad asap, scoring goals then just maybe someone will jump in for him jan or the next summer window and offer a decent amount of money for him, let him make amends by scoring us goals, we let him leave to whoever pipes up with the money.. everyones a winner

atm we got no saido who WILL score goals regardless if you like him or not... and also lost out on 20 odd mill (he might be big bad JP, but he cost himself out of over 20 MILL for a player who dont wanna be here.. guess saidos sitting at home laughing whilst were all here getting worked up over him)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 01, 2015, 10:42:54 PM
I agree entirely. It's ridiculous turning down a 3rd bid for Saido. We are now left stuck with a half-hearted player who obviously wants to leave, therefore we aren't going to have the same Saido as we had last season. We are now going to be short of quality in areas that we desperately needed to improve upon. The funds from Saido would have freed up plenty enough for the final pieces of the jigsaw to be completed today. We have already got Rondon and Lambert in, perfectly adequate to cover the loss of Saido and Bobby without the probability of yet another replacement (Phillips/Austin) coming in. We have tried to out do Spurs but we have just ended up selling our club short in the long run I think.

After these latest developments from Saido I think that above post I made at 4.07 this afternoon will be proved to be spot on. There is NO point keeping a player who wants to move regardless of how good a player is.

Nathan, it is impossible to predict what may happen to Berahino over the next few months. however he ought to bear in mind just how badly Spurs valued him and his future performances, their offer ought to be seen as an insult to him and his ability, it also shows that they really didn't want him that much.

As for WBA we will survive without the derisory offer from Spurs, some of us may be disappointed with the total number of incomings and yes we may need more in some areas but we have generally bought in proven players with quality, premiership experience and a few years in their legs to address the problems of an ageing defence, it may also be that our strikers will score the goals needed. We still have the January window ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 01, 2015, 10:47:26 PM
been very gutted about the whole saido thing, personally i want him in our squad..regardless of what some of you say the kids got bags of potential and i can only see him getting better

keep reading about spurs making/preparing new bids for him was making me nervous because i wanted him to stay (i couldnt give a damn about what hes said, done, his attitude, what drugs he likes, how fast he drives his car - no one is perfect, he just seems to get caught doing the things most other humans do)

 i dont hold a grudge for what he said because none of us REALLY know whats gone on behind the scenes.. he should of just kept quiet but if i was in his shoes id probably slate a club for holding me back to - i know most of you would do the same even if you are all angels and deny it :)

he's obviously still a west brom player at the moment, until i pay his wages.. i couldnt give a damn what he says or does

if he stays until the end of the season or jan and gets played...could we all be abit more mature instead of lowering to his level and appreciate any goals he scores for us?

our support is sh*t as it is with the constant boo'ing of certain players at every single game we play - how on earth do you expect our players to want to play for us when most of em get hurled abuse by their own fans? lol

realistically we need him in the squad asap, scoring goals then just maybe someone will jump in for him jan or the next summer window and offer a decent amount of money for him, let him make amends by scoring us goals, we let him leave to whoever pipes up with the money.. everyones a winner

atm we got no saido who WILL score goals regardless if you like him or not... and also lost out on 20 odd mill (he might be big bad JP, but he cost himself out of over 20 MILL for a player who dont wanna be here.. guess saidos sitting at home laughing whilst were all here getting worked up over him)

Yep
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 01, 2015, 10:53:53 PM
He was perfectly happy here until after two derisory offers from Spurs. We made it clear what we wanted and said at £25m he could go. Spurs deliberately offered dreadful deals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 01, 2015, 11:00:14 PM
He was perfectly happy here until after two derisory offers from Spurs. We made it clear what we wanted and said at £25m he could go. Spurs deliberately offered dreadful deals.
Just to unsettle him?
To upset our club?
He and we have to rise above their gutter level.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albionden on September 01, 2015, 11:00:49 PM
So now the Daily Star is saying that he is going on strike on the basis of his admittedly silly tweet:

Sad how i cant say exactly how the club has treated me but i can officially say i will never play Jeremy Peace

Not even good English but my interpretation is not that he will 'go on strike'.

It's hard to be sure (as I say because it's badly written but I would say that it more likely means that he won't won't be playing out of loyalty to Peace not that he won't play.

If he does happen to refuse to play then he would be in breach of contract and lose his wages. That would be the same as going on strike.

I doubt that he would be that stupid.

As I said before it's about the supporters  and that's who he would be letting down.

He does needs to apologise and then he needs to be available for selection.



just got back from work thought I'd look to see how this clowns latest antics have been received... there IS doubt he can be that stupid... how does he think this looks to any potential buyers ??? It's hardly going to endear him to anybody...                                 

Well done JP for not rolling over and havin your belly tickled
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 01, 2015, 11:02:21 PM
just got back from work thought I'd look to see how this clowns latest antics have been received... there IS doubt he can be that stupid... how does he think this looks to any potential buyers ??? It's hardly going to endear him to anybody...                                 

Well done JP for not rolling over and havin your belly tickled

I don't want to picture that.  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 01, 2015, 11:05:18 PM
Pulis is seasoned enough and wise enough to see all this for what it is as far as Saido is concerned.

It's unsettled him, all that focus will go to most peoples' heads. He is a kid at the end of the day with a lot of media attention on him. If anyone can get his head screwed back on again I think TP can do it (mind you he's going to be feckin busy for a few months as it is).

Would I have wanted to be where he is at his age, even with all the money and 'glory' that attracts?
No, I really wouldn't.

Fame can burn you out. Saido I hope you get the right advice and take it....

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboy74 on September 01, 2015, 11:05:47 PM
What a tit!  Ruined his career in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 01, 2015, 11:10:43 PM
I wonder if Roy Hodgson has yet been in touch with him tonight to provide him with some much needed wise advice
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 01, 2015, 11:12:32 PM
What a tit!  Ruined his career in my opinion.

no chance on earth, how can you think that?

all hes gotta do is get himself the sack and he can go to spurs for F all, bang a few goals for them, everyone except west brom fans forgets all about what hes done, forgives him... happy saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 01, 2015, 11:13:53 PM
I wonder if Roy Hodgson has yet been in touch with him tonight to provide him with some much needed wise advice
I suspect Roy is a man of integrity and respect and will be disgusted by SB's behaviour.
I hope he does talk to SB, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Big Dave and Cyrille should "have a word"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 01, 2015, 11:18:21 PM
no chance on earth, how can you think that?

all hes gotta do is get himself the sack and he can go to spurs for F all, bang a few goals for them, everyone except west brom fans forgets all about what hes done, forgives him... happy saido.

Not true. If he gets himself the sack for gross misconduct, resulting in a loss for the club, we could sue him to recover our loss from having had to fire him.  This happened to Chelsea's Adrian Mutu who they sacked over a cocaine problem which meant he was now worthless.  They sued him (I think) for £18m and it made him bankrupt.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bombersboots on September 01, 2015, 11:18:28 PM
Id get him in the dressing room with Pulis, Fletcher and Bomber Brown.
I'd get them to give him the 'pull your act together son' chat, slap round the face, and get on with it until we can ship him out.

If he gets us 10 goals between now and Jan, job done. Then he can pi$$ off.
Absoloutly bang on! To me he seems just another below average intelligence,highly paid player whos ego actually outweighs ability, he's talented no doubt,but not of the kind that puts me on the edge of my seat on a Saturday. He's slowly becoming a s#'t Odemwingie
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on September 01, 2015, 11:20:15 PM
Even from his own 'selfish' point of view, this 'strike' makes little sense.

He's 22, all he needed to do was wait one more season, possibly even until January to get a move. He'd have 12 months left next summer and would be far more powerful. I really doubt we'd have let him run his contract down and go for free. Now he has created lots of negativity, has an even worse reputation and is a national laughing stock...it's just stupidity.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 01, 2015, 11:26:16 PM
Has he been watching "Danny and the human zoo"?
Has he bowled a "googly", and b*ggered it up?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on September 01, 2015, 11:31:50 PM
Sad how i cant say exactly how the club has treated me but i can officially say i will never play Jeremy Peace

From a PR spin / Saido trying to mend fences (in a few days time) at least the "wording" of this twit can be slanted...

Play exactly what?

Mind Games, Financial wheeling and dealing, Poker?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 01, 2015, 11:33:58 PM
play FOR Jeremy Peace.
dot. dot.dot.
It would be the Albion.
He can lie.  lol
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 01, 2015, 11:42:20 PM
Sad how i cant say exactly how the club has treated me but i can officially say i will never play Jeremy Peace

From a PR spin / Saido trying to mend fences (in a few days time) at least the "wording" of this twit can be slanted...

Play exactly what?

Mind Games, Financial wheeling and dealing, Poker?

If he tries to pass off his pooh grammar as some profound statement about he meant wouldn't play games or try to outsmart Peace he'll go further down my estimation to the small part of my brain I reserve solely for hatred towards Villa fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on September 01, 2015, 11:45:17 PM
He ain't Regis. He ain't Cunningham. He ain't Batson.

 >:( :( :'(
no he's a greedy modern day footballer,shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as these Albion legends
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 01, 2015, 11:46:54 PM
Even from his own 'selfish' point of view, this 'strike' makes little sense.

He's 22, all he needed to do was wait one more season, possibly even until January to get a move. He'd have 12 months left next summer and would be far more powerful. I really doubt we'd have let him run his contract down and go for free. Now he has created lots of negativity, has an even worse reputation and is a national laughing stock...it's just stupidity.

... and immaturity.

It's a bit sad really. Even the gods themselves fight in vain against stupidity. The only thing that can fix this is Saido himself. He needs to grow up, which doesn't mean to throw his toys around as soon as he doesn't get what he wants the way he wants it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dubya BA on September 02, 2015, 12:01:33 AM
Interesting how so many talented players seem to have questionable attitudes.

Saido needs an attitude adjustment -no arguments there but let's be clear about the rest of it....

He is a massive talent and he is OURS.

How long before such a talent comes through our youth academy?
When will we ever be able to afford to buy in such talent for £25m? (please allow for inflation)

My point being that now we have told Spuds where to go, what are we going to do with our home grown prize player?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 02, 2015, 12:39:14 AM
I'm going to be a bit controversial.....

It sticks in the throat but I think we should offer him a new contract. It will benefit all.

Offer him £60k a week on a new 3-year deal.  A buyout clause to be included which entitles him to move to ANY club which offers £25m or more in either the January 2016 or summer 2016 transfer windows, provided (a) that the offer is received at least 4 days before the expiry of the transfer window, and (b) at least 75% of the £25m fee is payable upfront without any conditional add-ones, ie the last 25% is simply deferred, and (c) we waive any sell-on fee.

With a bit of luck he is gone in January 2016 and all parties are happy.  In the interim he is completely motivated to earn himself a move.

BUT

Part of the deal is that he must apologise unreservedly to the club and to the fans, so that he can get his head down with as little flak as possible.

I cannot see any better way out the hole for all concerned.

 


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albionden on September 02, 2015, 12:52:35 AM
It is impossible for this moron to keep his gob shut , as he has proved on a number of occasions ( how many chances do we have to give him ). this thread is just winding me up now, I'm off to bed . Perhaps things will be better in the morning . I ain't holdin me breath.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 02, 2015, 01:11:10 AM
It's been well discussed about how much the club has taken care of him after arriving as a refugee all those years ago. He has history with clubs he's been loaned out to and of course the off-field antics. His attitude stinks, a very ungrateful little s**t who doesn't recognise the transformation from a poverty stricken, war torn background to become a major Premiership player with all the money that comes with this.

Incidentally, does anyone know the history of how the club discovered him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on September 02, 2015, 01:24:09 AM
Im curious...what did he do when he was on loan to get sent back? General bad attitude or something specific?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on September 02, 2015, 01:28:02 AM
I reckon JP really wanted to sell him but there was really no proper bid to sell him into -

I m really proud of JP for how hes handled this from start to finish.

 i predict SB hits the skids now - hope we make him train with the reserves for a few weeks - we do ok without him,  and two years from now becomes a forgotten has been/never was. - i really dislike this person
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on September 02, 2015, 01:29:43 AM
Id get him in the dressing room with Pulis, Fletcher and Bomber Brown.

I'd get them to give him the 'pull your act together son' chat, slap round the face, and get on with it until we can ship him out.

If he gets us 10 goals between now and Jan, job done. Then he can pi$$ off.
I don't see that happening unless we get lots of penalties. He is not this wonder striker everyone makes out. Yes he has talent but you need more than one good season to prove it. I think we should have sold him at 22 million, i doubt we'll get anything near that again in the next 12 months.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SirTonyM on September 02, 2015, 01:34:22 AM
Sadly still the best striker at the club :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sidsockett on September 02, 2015, 02:59:05 AM
Sad how i cant say exactly how the club has treated me but i can officially say i will never play Jeremy Peace

From a PR spin / Saido trying to mend fences (in a few days time) at least the "wording" of this twit can be slanted...

Play exactly what?

Mind Games, Financial wheeling and dealing, Poker?

I think there could be some comedy gold over the next few days; with Berahino's agent/advisers realising he's dropped an absolute b*****k and them coming up with some 'creative' explanations as to what he really meant in his tweet ...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on September 02, 2015, 04:44:44 AM
Sadly still the best striker at the club :(

He hasn't gone on strike yet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 02, 2015, 04:53:31 AM
Sadly still the best striker at the club :(
Not convinced by that , not in the lone role anyway....think that will be Rondon.
Like to be a fly on the wall when he walks into the changing wall after showing himself up , imagine there will be some serious jibbing going on. ;D
There's some bigger names in our squad now , id hope he shows a bit of respect to the likes of Evans , Fletcher , Lambert , Rondon etc..by getting his head down and working hard.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on September 02, 2015, 05:18:01 AM
Quote
Sad how i cant say exactly how the club has treated me but i can officially say i will never play Jeremy Peace

Anyone thinking that these words can even begin to be slanted is kidding themselves.

It is factual that Berahino wanted out, he handed in a transfer request for a reason.
The first part of the tweet indicates without doubt he is unhappy with that club..
If he wanted to say the club had been showering him with love and he felt on top of the world... he could write that, but being sad that he "cant say exactly how the club has treated me" is an indication he feels the club has treated him poorly.

The line about officially stating he will not play cannot be twisted to say he won't play games or even more ridiculous that he won't play cards/tic-tac-toe etc, it can only be a statement that he will stand out and not play for the club.

It should now be very easy for the club. Continue to dock him 2 weeks wages for every time he sends a tweet like this or doesn't put in at training or doesn't arrive or refuses to play in the reserves etc. At 10,000 a week that is 500,000 a year salary he is missing, when you consider that this would almost certainly be more about money than joining a 'big club', then this is going to start hurting him quickly.

I think the essence is that Berahino is still on a pittance compared to any other player netting his sort of goal tally. He should be on a minimum of around 40,000 a week and I would bet Spurs were comfortably offering at least that much and i suspect closer to 50-60,000 a week. He will be looking at the fact this has probably cost him 2,000,000+ a year for each year he stays and a serious injury and it would be over.

However... Put your head down and earn a new contract with the proper buyout clauses. If you want a buyout clause, you need to insist it is in your contract lad and if not,.. then it is your manager you need to have a word with.

Someone pointed out that there are bigger names in the dressing room now and whilst I don't really rate a couple of them that highly, that statement is still correct and they should be more than equipped to let Saido know where he stands.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 02, 2015, 07:00:17 AM
Think that tweet has killed he's hopes of the euro's, Will spuds come back in for him ? I have my doubts especially if he doesn't play until then.

Going to be a messy one this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 02, 2015, 07:18:35 AM
I'm going to be a bit controversial.....

It sticks in the throat but I think we should offer him a new contract. It will benefit all.

Offer him £60k a week on a new 3-year deal.  A buyout clause to be included which entitles him to move to ANY club which offers £25m or more in either the January 2016 or summer 2016 transfer windows, provided (a) that the offer is received at least 4 days before the expiry of the transfer window, and (b) at least 75% of the £25m fee is payable upfront without any conditional add-ones, ie the last 25% is simply deferred, and (c) we waive any sell-on fee.

With a bit of luck he is gone in January 2016 and all parties are happy.  In the interim he is completely motivated to earn himself a move.

BUT

Part of the deal is that he must apologise unreservedly to the club and to the fans, so that he can get his head down with as little flak as possible.

I cannot see any better way out the hole for all concerned.

 


Nothing controvertial with that, I agree with you.

He needs to be motivated and we need to have the right clauses in his contract if they are not already there.

Whilst I do admire JP for his stance over this [£5m as an initial down payment is an absolute insult] SB is a talent and should be paid accordingly.

Once he has grown up and started shaving perhaps he will realise what a prat he has been, and also what sound advice he received from his agent.......

And yes, an apology to the people who pay his wages would be nice........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 02, 2015, 07:21:55 AM
Sad how i cant say exactly how the club has treated me but i can officially say i will never play Jeremy Peace

From a PR spin / Saido trying to mend fences (in a few days time) at least the "wording" of this twit can be slanted...

Play exactly what?

Mind Games, Financial wheeling and dealing, Poker?

Certainly not Scrabble.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2015, 08:43:25 AM
In the cold light of day, in financial terms, the Berahino saga has probably not been too costly to us. In reality, if the reports are correct, we turned down an up-front offer of £5million with performance related add-ons which we may or may not have got, & we're left with an unsettled player who is probably one of the lowest paid in the first team squad.
If, as it appears now, the surprises were dependent on the sale of Berahino, they wen't going to happen anyway, on the other hand, we were possibly a bit naive in thinking Spurs would come up with a cash deal, after two failed attempts with a structured bid.

Moving on though, if I were TP, I'm not sure, I'd want to spend a disproportionate amount of my time bringing Berahino back into the fold, & I think I'd tell him that, & put the outcome of his future firmly back in his hands.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 02, 2015, 08:44:02 AM

Nothing controvertial with that, I agree with you.

He needs to be motivated and we need to have the right clauses in his contract if they are not already there.

Whilst I do admire JP for his stance over this [£5m as an initial down payment is an absolute insult] SB is a talent and should be paid accordingly.
Once he has grown up and started shaving perhaps he will realise what a prat he has been, and also what sound advice he received from his agent.......

And yes, an apology to the people who pay his wages would be nice........


Very sensible. Fans need to get behind him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 17GD on September 02, 2015, 08:49:01 AM
Please stop with the 'we need to pay him more money' rubbish. The boy is an  arrogant little leech and needs bringing down. He has a contract and he has signed it, regardless as to whether he now feels differently or that he has been hard done by. He out of any footballer should appreciate what he has, considering where he comes from.

He is clearly disliked by some, if not many in the changing room, can you imagine they're going to let him get away with this? I think not.

I can see one or two mistimed tackles flying in, if he is granted training with the full squad.

He is human, yes. But he is meant to be a professional, this tweet was clearly premeditated and he has been on a downward spiral for sometime.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 08:55:08 AM
Once he has grown up and started shaving perhaps he will realise what a prat he has been, and also what sound advice he received from his agent.......

And yes, an apology to the people who pay his wages would be nice........


Very sensible. Fans need to get behind him.


He has burnt his bridges for me.hes trouble I will Never boo him or never cheer him. i hope he doesnt play for our first team again
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 02, 2015, 08:55:44 AM
no chance on earth, how can you think that?

all hes gotta do is get himself the sack and he can go to spurs for F all, bang a few goals for them, everyone except west brom fans forgets all about what hes done, forgives him... happy saido.

Even if he was sacked we could withhold his registration and stop him from joining another club until the end of his contract.

And for the record I believe he has ruined himself here, what big club in their right mind would take him knowing how he acts, then there is the billy big boots around the england camp last season and the fact that only Spurs came in for him and it starts to paint a picture of a player who has ability but whose attitude and personality will stop him making it at the very top, Spurs recruitment department are hardly known for their GREAT buys. Arsenal, Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea he will never play for because he doesnt have the right attitude or personality to make it. He will end up at Stoke or West Ham in 3 years time can see it already

He will become a 4th choice striker somewhere and a few loans out (see Victor Moses)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 02, 2015, 08:59:59 AM
Even if he was sacked we could withhold his registration and stop him from joining another club until the end of his contract.

And for the record I believe he has ruined himself here, what big club in their right mind would take him knowing how he acts, then there is the billy big boots around the england camp last season and the fact that only Spurs came in for him and it starts to paint a picture of a player who has ability but whose attitude and personality will stop him making it at the very top, Spurs recruitment department are hardly known for their GREAT buys. Arsenal, Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea he will never play for because he doesnt have the right attitude or personality to make it. He will end up at Stoke or West Ham in 3 years time can see it already

He will become a 4th choice striker somewhere and a few loans out (see Victor Moses)

Agree Tom west ham, stoke a team of that ilk beckons at best.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on September 02, 2015, 09:08:18 AM
A lot of blame for this fiasco must rest with his agent (isn't he the same one who engineered Raheem Sterling's disruptive move to City?) and that waste of space pundit Robbie Savage, who openly encouraged Berahino to cause trouble in order to get a move.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2015, 09:11:18 AM
I think the best thing we can do, for West Bromwich Albion Football Club, is to support the lad.  Sacking him, letting him rot in the reserves, booing him - NONE of those will put the club in a stronger position.  The best thing we can do is get a fit Berahino banging the goals in for us and sell him for a high fee in January or the summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 09:12:30 AM
i like savage but he should be binned for this, as for agents what a cushy number they have.I hope one day clubs refuse to deal with them.Go back to the good old days when a manager of the selling club would act on his behalf
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 02, 2015, 09:12:43 AM
I think the best thing we can do, for West Bromwich Albion Football Club, is to support the lad.  Sacking him, letting him rot in the reserves, booing him - NONE of those will put the club in a stronger position.  The best thing we can do is get a fit Berahino banging the goals in for us and sell him for a high fee in January or the summer.

Support him? Just to get it thrown in our faces again in the next few months.

I'm firmly in the let him rot camp. How many chances can someone get to mug us off?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on September 02, 2015, 09:17:41 AM
None of this will affect the little idiot one little bit, in his own mind ( maybe poisoned by Odemwingie ) he is bigger than the club and make not doubt about there are people out there who will look after him in legal matters for a cost. Has if yesterday wasn't bad enough with the so called surprises signing for us we now have this idiot starting to play up. No wonder I feel DEPRESSED :(

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 02, 2015, 09:18:18 AM
I'm actually not angry at this whole debacle. He's been a brat for years, has a poor attitude and can't keep his mouth shut, breaks the law and I hope he gets the reception he deserves. He needs to learn a lesson.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 02, 2015, 09:18:38 AM
Even if he was sacked we could withhold his registration and stop him from joining another club until the end of his contract.

And for the record I believe he has ruined himself here, what big club in their right mind would take him knowing how he acts, then there is the billy big boots around the england camp last season and the fact that only Spurs came in for him and it starts to paint a picture of a player who has ability but whose attitude and personality will stop him making it at the very top, Spurs recruitment department are hardly known for their GREAT buys. Arsenal, Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea he will never play for because he doesnt have the right attitude or personality to make it. He will end up at Stoke or West Ham in 3 years time can see it already

He will become a 4th choice striker somewhere and a few loans out (see Victor Moses)

If he's good enough it wont make one iota of difference, somebody will sign him, maybe a big club.
Man City signed Sterling after his out burst
Balotelli had a scrap with Mancini and ended up at Liverpool
Rooney's had his outburst at Man U
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2015, 09:20:59 AM
None of this will affect the little idiot one little bit, in his own mind( maybe poisoned by Odemwingie ) he is bigger than the club and make not doubt about there are people out there who will look after him in legal matters for a cost. Has if yesterday wasn't bad enough with the so called surprises signing for us we now have this idiot starting to play up. No wonder I feel DEPRESSED :(

I didn't want to be the first one to say that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on September 02, 2015, 09:31:20 AM
I have just read this on another site.


Do you know his Mother even went to the club to discuss it?  :o :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Cantello on September 02, 2015, 09:33:17 AM
The word "contract" means absolutely nothing to these kids does it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on September 02, 2015, 09:37:29 AM
He won't be getting my backing regardless of how talented he may be. Yet again, it's the fans that get mugged off.

Slowly falling out of love with football and the Albion, too much money, too many idiots.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on September 02, 2015, 09:43:35 AM
Sadly the modern money fueled greed league claims another victim and all us fans want is someone who wants to wear the shirt
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: apple on September 02, 2015, 09:45:32 AM
What a fiasco, l cant see where we go from here. How are the other players going to react to him and, will the fans ever forgive him, l cant see it. Jeremy Peace was 100% right not to sell at the terms mentioned, but weve now got one hell of a mess on our hands. lts going to be an interesting few days, thank God for the international break. ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 02, 2015, 09:45:51 AM
Pulis is the right bloke to get Saido onside again , he knows how to play the press too.
Get him playing and scoring again , then if the deal is right sell him in Jan or next Summer.
 I've personally had enough of him now , trouble is never far away with him even going back to his loan spells at Brentford and Posh .
Get the price , get him gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2015, 09:49:42 AM
Support him? Just to get it thrown in our faces again in the next few months.

I'm firmly in the let him rot camp. How many chances can someone get to mug us off?

As I said, I'm talking about what's best for West Bromwich Albion.  I mean, I really don't care if he mugs us off in January - if he's scored 10 goals before then or if he brings in a decent transfer fee then, as a club, that's better for us.  I'm sure we'll all get over him leaving.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 02, 2015, 09:53:09 AM
He quite literally now should play ball. It is in our interests that he puts a few in for us... but if he doesn't, his dreams of Champions League and even more tangibly dreams of England will just disappear.

Time to be a big boy Saido and tough it out for the year.
You know Lukaku only wore our shirt for one season but he left in style and for me will always be a Baggie because of that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 02, 2015, 09:53:22 AM
I genuinely thought he had grown up under Pulis, a few told me I was misguided (WorcsWBA mainly!).How right you all were.

I was sure he'd just get his head down and play to keep himself in the shop window until either Jan or next Summer and then move on. Not get on twitter spouting rubbish.

He needs to apologise to the club and us fans.

He also needs to accept that we would have let him go if Spurs hadn't been so underhand, it wasn't us stopping him going anywhere it was Spurs putting in derisory bids and expecting us to almost give him away.

Whether we offer him a new contact on better money with a buy out clause and whether he would sign it is a side issue for me.

He needs to get on with playing for the club he is contracted to, put in the performances and show that he has the ability to play at a higher level consistently and that way clubs may turn a blind eye to his obvious character flaws.

Will he?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 10:04:01 AM
Just heard on Talk Sport a spuds fan say he can understand why levy wanted to pay 5 million up front and see how it goes :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on September 02, 2015, 10:05:55 AM

He has burnt his bridges for me.hes trouble I will Never boo him or never cheer him. i hope he doesnt play for our first team again
fully agree dont want to see him in an albion shirt again
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 02, 2015, 10:07:13 AM
If he's good enough it wont make one iota of difference, somebody will sign him, maybe a big club.
Man City signed Sterling after his out burst
Balotelli had a scrap with Mancini and ended up at Liverpool
Rooney's had his outburst at Man U

Sterling just wanted to go but I dont remember him throwing his toys out of the pram and tweeting the chairman of Liverpool directly telling them he can officially say he will not play, nor do I remember Rooney doing that either. No they have got on with their games and got their heads down.

Balotelli on his day is better than anything Berahino can produce but he also has a bad attitude, bombed out of every club for being an idiot now probably earning less money than he has been and lets face it on his last chance at a decent club again and in need of growing up, Berahino could do with realising that if he hadnt made those tweets, accepted the fact that Spurs were not really after him or rated him highly enough to match our valuation of him and instead got his head down and produced another 20 goal season he would most definitely get a move too a top top club and not Spurs who are in the same bracket as we are as in they wont finish top4 and are as likely as winning something as us.

Somebody will sign him but it wont be a big club and lets say for one minute he is signed by a big club like I said he will become a 4th choice striker who will be brought in not for talent or persona but for quota's and then loaned out to several clubs and becoming their problem for the season.

The lad has ruined himself here and he will have no support from me

Id let him rot, he hasnt cost us anything as he came through the academy so we are not in theory losing anything by not selling him.

Yes this may seem harsh on the lad but its about time some players were taught lessons the hard way, if he doesnt want to play then he doesnt want to get paid, he cant do any other job whilst contracted to us or sign for anyone else so he will be destroying his own career.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 10:10:42 AM
I have just read this on another site.


Do you know his Mother even went to the club to discuss it?  :o :o



what waiving and pointing her brolley
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 02, 2015, 10:10:59 AM
fully agree dont want to see him in an albion shirt again
While I understand where you are both coming from all that will do is make the club look bad and lower his value which goes against the very reason JP wouldn't let him go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 02, 2015, 10:12:38 AM
As the window has closed and this is the Transfer Forum the Saido debate on his actions has been moved to the main board

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=2906.0
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 02, 2015, 10:14:33 AM
I genuinely thought he had grown up under Pulis, a few told me I was misguided (WorcsWBA mainly!).How right you all were.
None of us could have known how he would react but, once he'd asked for a transfer, his previous childish and disruptive behaviour made me suspicious that he might not be capable of being adult and professional enough to handle the transfer not going through. That's proven to be the case so far and now the club has a difficult task on its hands.

Ultimately, however, what happens going forward is primarily up to Berahino. He needs to learn, quickly, that childish tantrums, in addition to inhaling dodgy substances and speeding convictions, can only harm his standing in football and could potentially prevent bigger clubs coming in for him one day. He needs to get his act together quickly, otherwise it'll be him who loses out in the long run, as well as us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on September 02, 2015, 10:15:20 AM
I'm just waiting for PFA Chiwf Exec Gordon Taylor to stick his nose in and back SB...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on September 02, 2015, 10:21:04 AM
Different sport obviously but Roger Federer was known to a petulant angry kid on court before he became a class act. How many of us can say we haven't said or done things we ought to regret. Shame it's all so public with Twitter.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 02, 2015, 10:27:30 AM
Different sport obviously but Roger Federer was known to a petulant angry kid on court before he became a class act. How many of us can say we haven't said or done things we ought to regret. Shame it's all so public with Twitter.
I certainly have , but then I learnt from it and didn't do it again...and again ..and again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 02, 2015, 10:30:22 AM
Different sport obviously but Roger Federer was known to a petulant angry kid on court before he became a class act. How many of us can say we haven't said or done things we ought to regret. Shame it's all so public with Twitter.

Its right in the balance for me mate, On one hand the kid has high potential excuse the pun who is the last to leave the training ground most days and constantly wants to improve. The other side is he is racking up quite a rap sheet in terms of ill discipline and poor attitude and has the ability to alienate a dressing room very sharpish indeed.

Will follow hes career with interest just out of curiosity but if i had to make a call at this moment in time i think he will reach the levels of a mid table team for how long im unsure but very few if any England caps as they just wont want to entertain hes sort of character.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 02, 2015, 10:32:57 AM
Different sport obviously but Roger Federer was known to a petulant angry kid on court before he became a class act. How many of us can say we haven't said or done things we ought to regret. Shame it's all so public with Twitter.
Some of us learn by our mistakes. Others never will.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on September 02, 2015, 10:35:42 AM
For me, the kid will never make it as a top class striker.

He has had more than enough chances to learn from his mistakes, messed up on all his loan moves, took a beating from Mozza, drink driving, hippie crack, then the whole transfer and twitter malarky.

There is a right way to go about things and he hasnt done it. Look at Austin for a prime example, kept his mouth shut when people were questioning his fitness and just got on with his football.

This is the exact reason he never got a chance with the England team whilst there, his attitude is that of a spoilt little brat who expects to get his own way.

He has an arogance about him which is disgusting, I would happily watch him rot in the reserves just to waste a year of his career, the boy thinks he deserves the world, but hasnt got the attitude to get anywhere near were he should be.

He will always be a short trip away from his next episode.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on September 02, 2015, 10:37:42 AM
You could put a different spin on the tweet he could be saying he's not going to play peace like he played levy....I doubt it though  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 02, 2015, 10:38:11 AM
For me, the kid will never make it as a top class striker.

He has had more than enough chances to learn from his mistakes, messed up on all his loan moves, took a beating from Mozza, drink driving, hippie crack, then the whole transfer and twitter malarky.

There is a right way to go about things and he hasnt done it. Look at Austin for a prime example, kept his mouth shut when people were questioning his fitness and just got on with his football.

This is the exact reason he never got a chance with the England team whilst there, his attitude is that of a spoilt little brat who expects to get his own way.

He has an arogance about him which is disgusting, I would happily watch him rot in the reserves just to waste a year of his career, the boy thinks he deserves the world, but hasnt got the attitude to get anywhere near were he should be.

He will always be a short trip away from his next episode.



Well said, Them last two paragraphs are hard hitting for anyone who has ability but not the correct attitude.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on September 02, 2015, 10:39:38 AM
I can't excuse anything he did but Albion are a better team with him in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on September 02, 2015, 10:41:54 AM
 fully support peace , everton had a similar situation the difference being their player stones is a grown up and not a  spoiled brat.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 10:42:18 AM
I'm just waiting for PFA Chiwf Exec Gordon Taylor to stick his nose in and back SB...



is he the only one so far to back him because lets face it hes pretty much going too anyway
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 02, 2015, 10:44:26 AM
I can't excuse anything he did but Albion are a better team with him in.

Team is the key word here,

I reckon this could galvanise our team (minus SB !), the professionals and longer term players will not like this one bit and will want to prove a point IMO (I hope)

TP can go 1 of 2 ways with this,
a) I've tried you clearly don't respect the club, colleagues, me, so see you later, or
b) silly boy, you need loving i get it, we will make it all ok for you,

I know which one my money is on !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on September 02, 2015, 10:45:53 AM
The game is littered with former " superstars ", who can't get a game for love nor money, Adebayour and Balotelli to name but two. I hope he goes the same way. JP has put his principles ahead of his wallet and has my full respect for it.
However much this little nark earns or wherever he plays, he will always be a bitter, arrogant, self pitying, bell-end.

Come on Rickie and Ronnie, show the little no-mark how real professionals behave and condemn him to what he deserves to be - tomorrow's chip paper!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 02, 2015, 10:46:24 AM
As far as I'm concerned because of that tweet he's worthless to us now. He's alienated the fans and even if he does manage to get back into the side he won't be the same player as most of the fans will be on his back straight away. With that in mind I personally hope the club look into the legality of it all and look at potential breach of contract so that we can sack him and withhold his registration so he's effectively unemployed for two years and make a real statement to the ungrateful young footballers out there that have their heads turned. Can't see it happening though in reality.

Its a shame as I truly believe our whole transfer window relied on us selling him. It would have allowed Pulis to make another couple of moves in the market but Spurs decided they thought they could do what we often do and try to get him on the cheap but employed some very underhand tactics and they should be embarrassed.

There are no winners here, without that tweet the situation could have potentially been salvaged but not now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on September 02, 2015, 10:47:14 AM
what's this about his mum going to the club to try and get the move happening
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 02, 2015, 10:48:59 AM
I am torn. On one level I would be quite happy for him to rot in our reserves for two years just to prove the point that no player is bigger than the club. However that doesn't really help us, the reason why I wanted to keep him remains the same he is our best finisher and with a decent season will be worth a substantial fee even if he has just one year left on his contract.

The question is having thrown his toys out of the pram will his focus return? It has to if he want's that big move then he has to play and play well. The reality is he is he is here at least until January so he needs to get on with things as best as he can.

Finally he does need to ask why Spurs were so keen to pay the bulk of the fee in add-on's. The answer is that he has a reputation for being unprofessional and Spurs were rightly trying to hedge their bets in case the whole thing fell apart because of his billy big balls attitude.

As an aside I would say that the next time that Spurs tap up a player via the media they really do need to be prepared to pay the asking price like City did with Sterling otherwise it leaves the player in a somewhat awkward position.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 02, 2015, 10:49:24 AM
As far as I'm concerned because of that tweet he's worthless to us now. He's alienated the fans and even if he does manage to get back into the side he won't be the same player as most of the fans will be on his back straight away. With that in mind I personally hope the club look into the legality of it all and look at potential breach of contract so that we can sack him and withhold his registration so he's effectively unemployed for two years and make a real statement to the ungrateful young footballers out there that have their heads turned.

Its a shame as I truly believe our whole transfer window relied on us selling him. It would have allowed Pulis to make another couple of moves in the market but Spurs decided they thought they could do what we often do and try to get him on the cheap but employed some very underhand tactics and they should be embarrassed.

There are no winners here, without that tweet the situation could have potentially been salvaged but not now.

I would love that more than leaving him to rot in the stiffs!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 02, 2015, 10:49:44 AM
what's this about his mum going to the club to try and get the move happening

What a tit!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 10:50:39 AM
waiving her brolley no doubt
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on September 02, 2015, 10:51:42 AM
what's this about his mum going to the club to try and get the move happening
Just a thing I saw from another site. Don't know how true but the chap who posted it is usually reliable with his comments.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 02, 2015, 10:52:03 AM
I would love that more than leaving him to rot in the stiffs!

I doubt there is enough there to do it legally unfortunately.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 02, 2015, 10:53:40 AM
Needs to knuckle down otherwise he will end up at just a different club on the same level for 10 million or so in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 10:55:04 AM
Needs to knuckle down otherwise he will end up at just a different club on the same level for 10 million or so in January.


i would take 10 million now for him, the disruption this is going to cause. it could be our downfall
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 02, 2015, 10:56:14 AM
Needs to knuckle down otherwise he will end up at just a different club on the same level for 10 million or so in January.

Who is going to pay that kind of money for an unprofessional whiny little bitch like this? Even Spurs were only willing to put £5m down up front as they know all the issues he's had in the past so didn't want to risk much on him.

He's effectively worthless to us now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2015, 10:56:18 AM
Amazing how we're complaining about Berahino being childish but at the same time want to ruin his career or have him rot in the reserves for 2 years as some kind of retaliation\punishment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2015, 10:57:25 AM
Who is going to pay that kind of money for an unprofessional whiny little bitch like this? Even Spurs were only willing to put £5m down up front as they know all the issues he's had in the past so didn't want to risk much on him.
Spurs were still willing to pay £23m, the installments were spread out over 5 years.   The money was still getting paid unless you're saying the deal was £5m and the entire rest of it was based on his behaviour or how he plays?  You don't get a new iphone on contract and say your phone is only worth £39 because that's what you had to put down on it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 02, 2015, 10:57:45 AM
Amazing how we're complaining about Berahino being childish but at the same time want to ruin his career or have him rot in the reserves for 2 years as some kind of retaliation\punishment.

he knee jerked, so are the fans !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 02, 2015, 10:59:35 AM
Amazing how we're complaining about Berahino being childish but at the same time want to ruin his career or have him rot in the reserves for 2 years as some kind of retaliation\punishment.

He's ruined his own career with that tweet. He needs to look in the mirror and realise that big clubs wont take the risk on him for big money because of his own reputation not anything the club have done and he's made that 10x worse yesterday. Pulis said he needed protection, like most young players he's been protected far too much from the real world.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on September 02, 2015, 11:00:16 AM
put him in trainning with the kids till grows up .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2015, 11:00:44 AM
he knee jerked, so are the fans !
True, it's not surprising either.  We love the club and to have someone behave like Berahino is a bit like being slapped in the face and it's easy to take it personally.  He's an employee with no loyalty and wants only what's best for him.  The club needs to make the best of a bad situation here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 11:01:28 AM
he knee jerked, so are the fans !


i wouldnt call it knee jerk on the fans part, hes consistant in causing trouble
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Red Socks on September 02, 2015, 11:02:54 AM
"Not chase the money" what is this kid taking? From what I have seen of your team you have just as much potential as Spurs, and thats from a Wolves fan  8) Good footballer but no respect for a club who have made him into a decent player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2015, 11:03:06 AM
He's ruined his own career with that tweet. He needs to look in the mirror and realise that big clubs wont take the risk on him for big money because of his own reputation not anything the club have done and he's made that 10x worse yesterday. Pulis said he needed protection, like most young players he's been protected far too much from the real world.
He hasn't ruined anything though.  He's made a stupid tweet that will be completely ignored by any buying club.  Players have done far worse than that and moved to bigger clubs.  In a way it's just wishful thinking that'll he'll come unstuck and then we can say "ha, remember it was better at Albion!". 

He's young, he'll score goals, and come January he'll be off for £15m to a bigger club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 02, 2015, 11:03:41 AM
put him in trainning with the kids till grows up .

Wouldn't want him poisoning other youngsters minds.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 02, 2015, 11:05:12 AM
Yeah i just used that figure as a rough idea, Maybe a six or so million pound move to Norwich or someone like that if he dont book hes ides up. I just wonder if he is going to burn all hes bridges with us before leaving.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 02, 2015, 11:07:16 AM
For me its obvious what has happened.

Spurs turn his head with delusions of grandeur, they make him put in a transfer request, then when they think they have us over barrel they meet JP who flatly refuses and rightly so the derisory offer made. They then get him to tweet what he did effectively alienating him from the fans and the club and bringing his stock down so that come January they get him for 10-12 million less just to get him out of the club.

Levy has played well here.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 02, 2015, 11:08:24 AM
Loan to Bujumbura rovers (capital of burundi) might be what is required here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 02, 2015, 11:11:08 AM
He hasn't ruined anything though.  He's made a stupid tweet that will be completely ignored by any buying club.  Players have done far worse than that and moved to bigger clubs.  In a way it's just wishful thinking that'll he'll come unstuck and then we can say "ha, remember it was better at Albion!". 

He's young, he'll score goals, and come January he'll be off for £15m to a bigger club.

His reaction to not getting his own way was childish and downright pathetic. He's now got a lot of fans against him, fans that have already done all they can to overlook his previous indiscretions of which there have been a fair few.

I've already said it there are no winners after all of this, we have a player who clearly won't give his all and even if he did a lot of supporters will be on his back from the off and that will have a negative affect on his game. Only Spurs made offers to our knowledge and they were absolutely pathetic, he needs to ask himself why Spurs were only willing to pay £5m up front for him. Spurs have not come out of this well either looking very amateur in their dealings.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 02, 2015, 11:11:58 AM
For me its obvious what has happened.

Spurs turn his head with delusions of grandeur, they make him put in a transfer request, then when they think they have us over barrel they meet JP who flatly refuses and rightly so the derisory offer made. They then get him to tweet what he did effectively alienating him from the fans and the club and bringing his stock down so that come January they get him for 10-12 million less just to get him out of the club.

Levy has played well here.......

What will they do in January offer £1m up front and expect us to accept it? Will be the same situation again then in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 02, 2015, 11:12:33 AM
Who is going to pay that kind of money for an unprofessional whiny little bitch like this? Even Spurs were only willing to put £5m down up front as they know all the issues he's had in the past so didn't want to risk much on him.

He's effectively worthless to us now.

Man City paid a lot more for Sterling
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 02, 2015, 11:13:25 AM
Shame they didn't want Saido then.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2015, 11:28:14 AM
His reaction to not getting his own way was childish and downright pathetic. He's now got a lot of fans against him, fans that have already done all they can to overlook his previous indiscretions of which there have been a fair few.

I've already said it there are no winners after all of this, we have a player who clearly won't give his all and even if he did a lot of supporters will be on his back from the off and that will have a negative affect on his game. Only Spurs made offers to our knowledge and they were absolutely pathetic, he needs to ask himself why Spurs were only willing to pay £5m up front for him. Spurs have not come out of this well either looking very amateur in their dealings.
I agree, he's been pathetic and childish, and that the bids were laughable, and that turning them down is the correct thing to do - Spurs have behaved appallingly.  I just don't see how being equally as childish with Berahino is going to do West Bromwich Albion any good.

Sticking him in the reserves or sacking him will do nothing but lower his value to the club.  Playing him, and getting him scoring goals will increase his value and help us survive.  If you put a logical hat on it's obvious what the best option for Albion is, no matter how distasteful it is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on September 02, 2015, 11:30:11 AM
I agree, he's been pathetic and childish, and that the bids were laughable, and that turning them down is the correct thing to do - Spurs have behaved appallingly.  I just don't see how being equally as childish with Berahino is going to do West Bromwich Albion any good.

Sticking him in the reserves or sacking him will do nothing but lower his value to the club.  Playing him, and getting him scoring goals will increase his value and help us survive.  If you put a logical hat on it's obvious what the best option for Albion is, no matter how distasteful it is.

what we need is for Spurs to really struggle to score goals now and have a terrible run upto the January window, that will put the pressure on Levy to get the deal done and JP will be in a better position.

if Spurs have a good run however and Saido is still in a strop we don't have much of a bargaining tool
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnwilliamso20 on September 02, 2015, 11:36:17 AM
For me its obvious what has happened.

Spurs turn his head with delusions of grandeur, they make him put in a transfer request, then when they think they have us over barrel they meet JP who flatly refuses and rightly so the derisory offer made. They then get him to tweet what he did effectively alienating him from the fans and the club and bringing his stock down so that come January they get him for 10-12 million less just to get him out of the club.

Levy has played well here.......

I can't imagine Peace doing business with Spurs (unless the fee is what he wants) purely out of principle.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 02, 2015, 11:39:18 AM
Pat Murphy has said we plan on fining him and he has a meeting with Pulis and other key figures on Friday to try and get him back on board.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 11:40:43 AM
just realised we are above the mighty spuds in the league
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 02, 2015, 11:46:29 AM
Spurs were still willing to pay £23m, the installments were spread out over 5 years.   The money was still getting paid unless you're saying the deal was £5m and the entire rest of it was based on his behaviour or how he plays?  You don't get a new iphone on contract and say your phone is only worth £39 because that's what you had to put down on it.

A phone and a footballer can't be compared the way you're saying. He's our asset, and we'd sell him to use the sale money elsewhere. Would you sell me your phone for a tenner, leave yourself without a phone but be happy to get the rest of the money for it in half a decade? No you'd want the money to spend elsewhere on a replacement, and ten quid won't get you a phone.

Spurs £23m bid had conditions based around Saido's appearances and where they finished in the league. So to use your phone based analogy, would you sell me your phone for a tenner, and I'll pay you the rest of it, over five years, if I run out of texts and call time every month?

For all intents and purposes, if we sold him for £5m up front, he didn't make enough appearances, got injured and his career ended, and spurs didn't make it to Europe, we'd have lost OUR player for £5m. That's appalling business. You cannot claim Berahino is still worth £23m unless ALL of Spurs criteria are met. And NONE of them are in our control.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 02, 2015, 12:06:21 PM
Do Palmyra have a team we could loan him out to?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 02, 2015, 12:08:09 PM
We'll still get well over 20M for Berahino IF he is sold in January. Even if we run his contract down we're in for about 10M from a tribunal, possibly more so we  are going to get at least double that in January. He'll be playing again in the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on September 02, 2015, 12:13:54 PM
What if he's sold two years in, do we lose out on all the clauses which haven't been met ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on September 02, 2015, 12:15:06 PM
Let's hope everyone involved keeps their traps shut till Friday at least.  I hope the following will then happen:

He then has to make some sort of public apology, however muted, even just a retraction, say he didn't know the details of Spurs bids or something, there was a misunderstanding.  A fine is really irrelevant.

Then we can offer him a new contract on higher wages with a publicly stated buy out clause like Benteke had.

He can then shut up and play football till January or next summer and demonstrate that he is actually as good as he thinks he is, then Spurs (or maybe Arsenal, or Man U) will buy him then.

And for anyone who is accusing him of being childish - well he is still really a child isn't he, and he may look back with shame one day on a lot of things as most of us old folk do.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on September 02, 2015, 12:23:53 PM
I agree, he's been pathetic and childish, and that the bids were laughable, and that turning them down is the correct thing to do - Spurs have behaved appallingly.  I just don't see how being equally as childish with Berahino is going to do West Bromwich Albion any good.

Sticking him in the reserves or sacking him will do nothing but lower his value to the club.  Playing him, and getting him scoring goals will increase his value and help us survive.  If you put a logical hat on it's obvious what the best option for Albion is, no matter how distasteful it is.
You are forgetting that he is the one who's stated he will not play and if he sticks to that, what do you suggest we do?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2015, 12:26:29 PM
A phone and a footballer can't be compared the way you're saying. He's our asset, and we'd sell him to use the sale money elsewhere. Would you sell me your phone for a tenner, leave yourself without a phone but be happy to get the rest of the money for it in half a decade? No you'd want the money to spend elsewhere on a replacement, and ten quid won't get you a phone.

Spurs £23m bid had conditions based around Saido's appearances and where they finished in the league. So to use your phone based analogy, would you sell me your phone for a tenner, and I'll pay you the rest of it, over five years, if I run out of texts and call time every month?

For all intents and purposes, if we sold him for £5m up front, he didn't make enough appearances, got injured and his career ended, and spurs didn't make it to Europe, we'd have lost OUR player for £5m. That's appalling business. You cannot claim Berahino is still worth £23m unless ALL of Spurs criteria are met. And NONE of them are in our control.
I think you're getting mixed up a bit there.  I agree that we shouldn't have sold him but you can't say Berahino is only 'worth' £5m to Spurs because that was the up front cost is.  I don't know, and neither does anyone else, what the exact break down of the addons were.  It was mentioned that the bulk of the money was to be paid in installments over 5 years so it's somewhere between £5m and £23m.  If Berahino's career had ended next year then we would still be due any installments.  If you buy a car on finance and write it off you still have to pay the finance installments. 

Using the fact that Spurs only bid £5m up front cash seems a very weird stick to beat Berahino with, there's plenty of others.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 02, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
You are forgetting that he is the one who's stated he will not play and if he sticks to that, what do you suggest we do?

Different times, but didn't Bryan Robson once pull a similar stunt (going on strike) to "engineer" his move to Man U?
By and large we forgave him!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2015, 12:29:50 PM
You are forgetting that he is the one who's stated he will not play and if he sticks to that, what do you suggest we do?
There's nothing we can do in that case, you can't drag him onto the pitch. 

I'm simply pointing out that both our and Berahino's aims are inline for the next few months.  I'm disagreeing with the notion, that regardless of what Berahino says\does, that we should punish him by sticking in the reserves as it is not the best move for the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 02, 2015, 12:32:36 PM
There's nothing we can do in that case, you can't drag him onto the pitch. 

I'm simply pointing out that both our and Berahino's aims are inline for the next few months.  I'm disagreeing with the notion, that regardless of what Berahino says\does, that we should punish him by sticking in the reserves as it is not the best move for the club.

I agree but neither is ostracising Poc / gamboa / sess best for the club, but its happened.
Don't be surprised if Mr Obstinant leaves him out to pasture.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2015, 12:33:41 PM
Different times, but didn't Bryan Robson once pull a similar stunt (going on strike) to "engineer" his move to Man U?
By and large we forgave him!
Schneiderlin did the same last year to Southampton.  Wanted a move to Spurs (nice track record they have), and he tweeted about having 6 years destroyed.  He knuckled down and has now got a move to Man Utd for £27m.

Interesting comment from him...

Quote
“So I started training, I took pleasure in touch the ball, I really needed to play football, and I was made to play against Liverpool. At Anfield, all fans of Southampton applauded me and my name was chanted. It has warmed my heart. I knew then that I would spend the season at Southampton.”

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2015, 12:34:15 PM
I agree but neither is ostracising Poc / gamboa / sess best for the club, but its happened.
Don't be surprised if Mr Obstinant leaves him out to pasture.
I totally agree.  I wouldn't be surprised at all. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mrmojorisin on September 02, 2015, 12:49:29 PM
Do Palmyra have a team we could loan him out to?

They have had a terrible transfer window!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 12:53:15 PM
i am hearing hes been given time off ffs until monday >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on September 02, 2015, 12:54:58 PM
i am hearing hes been given time off ffs until monday >:(

Seems so.

matt maher @mjmarr_star
Understand Berahino has been given extra time off by Tony Pulis. Now not due to report back until Monday. #wba
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2015, 01:02:24 PM
Let's hope everyone involved keeps their traps shut till Friday at least.  I hope the following will then happen:

He then has to make some sort of public apology, however muted, even just a retraction, say he didn't know the details of Spurs bids or something, there was a misunderstanding.  A fine is really irrelevant.

Then we can offer him a new contract on higher wages with a publicly stated buy out clause like Benteke had.

He can then shut up and play football till January or next summer and demonstrate that he is actually as good as he thinks he is, then Spurs (or maybe Arsenal, or Man U) will buy him then.
And for anyone who is accusing him of being childish - well he is still really a child isn't he, and he may look back with shame one day on a lot of things as most of us old folk do.


If he hadn't done the tweet yesterday, I would agree with your proposal. Now, however, it's difficult to see how a new contract with an increase in pay wouldn't be seen as a reward for bad behaviour.
IMO he needs to withdraw his threat not to play, & the FC needs to give him time to re-integrate, with a review of the situation in January.

The London press are now saying Spurs 4th bid was a £25million cash bid, if true, it could be the refusal of that which "tipped" Berahino over the edge.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on September 02, 2015, 01:03:42 PM
What if he's sold two years in, do we lose out on all the clauses which haven't been met ?

pretty much, just like the deal we bought Ideye in on, his former club will lose out on some
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 01:10:55 PM
Spurs were still willing to pay £23m, the installments were spread out over 5 years.   The money was still getting paid unless you're saying the deal was £5m and the entire rest of it was based on his behaviour or how he plays?  You don't get a new iphone on contract and say your phone is only worth £39 because that's what you had to put down on it.

Well put. I agree with this entirely. So what if we only had £5 million up front. As you say, we would still had his full value eventually. If it left us short on the readies to pay up front for a replacement, there would have been nothing stopping the Albion offering similar payment methods to QPR for example would there, i.e. £3 million up front for Phillips with another £5 million to follow. That would be far too sensible of a way to deal with it for the Albion though wouldn't it. Made us look a bunch of clowns yet again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on September 02, 2015, 01:12:15 PM
The London press are now saying Spurs 4th bid was a £25million cash bid, if true, it could be the refusal of that which "tipped" Berahino over the edge.
All well & good but there just wouldn't have been time for us to get 3 or 4 other players in though!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 02, 2015, 01:16:06 PM
I don't understand why Peace is getting the stick here, regardless of all the talk that no discussions have been had over the Summer it now seems they have been talking for around 4 months, surely during that time Peace had told Levy how the deal would have to be done (ie: upfront payment). If Spurs were unable or unwilling to do so then they should have said. Levy tried to pull a fast one and failed, all the venom should be added in that direction and the direction of whoever was filling Saido's head with his future wage and especially whoever got him to issue that tweet which any sensible person would have known was never going to work.

I'm not a massive fan of Peace but blame is not there for me. Yes he may have told Saido he would be allowed to go but not in a deal that sees us get only £5m upfront, not a chance especially as we were hoping to use that money for other deals which were supposedly in place.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2015, 01:17:30 PM
All well & good but there just wouldn't have been time for us to get 3 or 4 other players in though!
It wouldn't surprise me if they came in with that at the end but as you say, it didn't leave us any time to get a replacement.  But then there's some fans who think we shouldn't be playing him anyway so therefore Peace must have been wrong to not sell.

I think Peace has played this perfectly well, he's shown he won't be bullied (we knew that anyway though lol).  The blame for all this lies with Spurs trying to get Berahino on the cheap.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on September 02, 2015, 01:21:15 PM
There's nothing we can do in that case, you can't drag him onto the pitch. 

I'm simply pointing out that both our and Berahino's aims are inline for the next few months.  I'm disagreeing with the notion, that regardless of what Berahino says\does, that we should punish him by sticking in the reserves as it is not the best move for the club.
Agree that if he offers a heartfelt apology (he's done that before though, addressed to JP personally, as it was he who was attacked, and to the fans for bringing the club into disrepute, then he should be allowed to try to regain his place. My honest opinion though would be that any apology will be out borne out of self pity and not genuine regret.
So, I still hope Rondon and Lambert perform well enough to keep him out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 02, 2015, 01:22:35 PM
Looking at Spurs related twitter and forums Levys getting a lot of flak about paying the going rate for players , seems Saido isn't the only player they left high and dry.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 02, 2015, 01:25:12 PM
Let's hope everyone involved keeps their traps shut till Friday at least.  I hope the following will then happen:

He then has to make some sort of public apology, however muted, even just a retraction, say he didn't know the details of Spurs bids or something, there was a misunderstanding.  A fine is really irrelevant.

Then we can offer him a new contract on higher wages with a publicly stated buy out clause like Benteke had.

He can then shut up and play football till January or next summer and demonstrate that he is actually as good as he thinks he is, then Spurs (or maybe Arsenal, or Man U) will buy him then.

And for anyone who is accusing him of being childish - well he is still really a child isn't he, and he may look back with shame one day on a lot of things as most of us old folk do.

I agree with you and think this is the way forward.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on September 02, 2015, 01:47:04 PM
This is currently Levy's wikipedia;

Daniel Levy (born 8 February 1962) is a businessman and the current chairman of Premier League football side Tottenham Hotspur and has been since 2001. Levy is known for bargaining with players which causes Tottenham to lose out on targets [Saido Berahino].

 ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 02, 2015, 02:02:07 PM
Well put. I agree with this entirely. So what if we only had £5 million up front. As you say, we would still had his full value eventually. If it left us short on the readies to pay up front for a replacement, there would have been nothing stopping the Albion offering similar payment methods to QPR for example would there, i.e. £3 million up front for Phillips with another £5 million to follow. That would be far too sensible of a way to deal with it for the Albion though wouldn't it. Made us look a bunch of clowns yet again.

I think the polar opposite and that Spurs are the ones looking like clowns.

Infact we have acted very well through this whole saga.

Have you stopped to think that perhaps we did ask QPR about structured payments for Phillips and Austin as you have suggested only to be told no, and thats why we couldnt sell Saido with the terms offered by Spurs.

If aswell Spurs last bid was £25million it was far too late in the day for us to sort out the replacements, that price has been the price pretty much all summer, trying to bargain with us and then offering us what we want at the last minute is not good enough and makes Spurs look like cowboys...but judging by their transfer business the last few years its no suprise.

Why people are using this to beat the club with is beyond me, we dont have to sell to anyone unless its at a price acceptable to us....

Why do we look like clowns?? Please enlighten us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 02, 2015, 02:02:37 PM
Let's hope everyone involved keeps their traps shut till Friday at least.  I hope the following will then happen:

He then has to make some sort of public apology, however muted, even just a retraction, say he didn't know the details of Spurs bids or something, there was a misunderstanding.  A fine is really irrelevant.

Then we can offer him a new contract on higher wages with a publicly stated buy out clause like Benteke had.

He can then shut up and play football till January or next summer and demonstrate that he is actually as good as he thinks he is, then Spurs (or maybe Arsenal, or Man U) will buy him then.

And for anyone who is accusing him of being childish - well he is still really a child isn't he, and he may look back with shame one day on a lot of things as most of us old folk do.

Agree with everything you say except the part about him being a child. He is 22 years old and was plucked from obscurity by WBA. He could still be an unknown in this country, but he has been lucky and is now living a life that few of us can only dream about. A lot of 18 year old 'men' died in the trenches in both world wars so that we can enjoy the freedom we have today, so no he is not a child - he is a spoilt selfish brat who will one day look back and regret his actions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies_24 on September 02, 2015, 02:03:20 PM
Something really needs to be looked at with how Spurs go about their business. No coincidence that Schneiderlin last year and Berahino & Wanyama all resorted to using the same tactics to engineer a move. I'm glad Peace has stood up the Leavy and told him where to shove it. I wouldn't wish injury on anyone but I'd pay good money to see Levy's face if Kane were to go down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on September 02, 2015, 02:03:48 PM
Daniel levy is the man to blame. He  pushed it too far and too late to do a deal. If he had the 25 mill to spend at 5.40, then he should have made the offer a couple of hours earlier!
I reckon he didn't really want to buy berahino otherwise why would he spend 22 million a day before if he knew that berahino was his top target.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on September 02, 2015, 02:20:29 PM
Anyone else looking forward to us beating Spurs 1-0, Saido with the winner?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 02, 2015, 02:29:02 PM
In the Mail, it is reported that Spurs offered 25m cash, not 5m up front. Make of that what you wish.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 02, 2015, 02:32:25 PM
In the Mail, it is reported that Spurs offered 25m cash, not 5m up front. Make of that what you wish.

I read somewhere that the initial offer was £5m up front, with staged payments based on performance etc, with the final payment being due in 2020. If the very final offer was £25m up front then Spuds should have tabled that earlier in the day, and not with 20 minutes to go. If they did table £25m as their final offer then I can see why it was turned down, because it was too late for us to get players in....... I would have done the same as JP.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on September 02, 2015, 02:40:42 PM
Anyone else looking forward to us beating Spurs 1-0, Saido with the winner?
NO!!! looking forward to beating them but not with that mouthy spoilt brat anywhere near the squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darby009 on September 02, 2015, 02:44:05 PM
In the Mail, it is reported that Spurs offered 25m cash, not 5m up front. Make of that what you wish.

I believe the £25m cash refers to the fact that it would have been an all cash deal and not a player part exchange.... It was still £5m initially then the rest spread over a number of years
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 02, 2015, 02:48:18 PM
Peace throwing stones in glass houses. The result an unhappy player whose value is already less than 25m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 02, 2015, 02:50:28 PM

If he hadn't done the tweet yesterday, I would agree with your proposal. Now, however, it's difficult to see how a new contract with an increase in pay wouldn't be seen as a reward for bad behaviour.
IMO he needs to withdraw his threat not to play, & the FC needs to give him time to re-integrate, with a review of the situation in January.

The London press are now saying Spurs 4th bid was a £25million cash bid, if true, it could be the refusal of that which "tipped" Berahino over the edge.


So what if it was
If JP had sold him at that late time in the window it would have been us Albion fans & TP going F---ing CRAZY at JP. F--K Spurs & their fans
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on September 02, 2015, 03:05:13 PM
So what if it was
If JP had sold him at that late time in the window it would have been us Albion fans & TP going F---ing CRAZY at JP. F--K Spurs & their fans

I'm also in the "so what if it was?" camp. Spurs have, allegedly, been in negotiation with Albion for FOUR months. they will have known for a long, long time what would be required to make the deal happen, and yet we are now told that they waited until twenty minutes of the transfer window remained to come up with it.

Appalling behavior and they were quite rightly rebuffed by JP.

One could peculate that their strategy all along  has been to unsettle Berahino and so hope to force Albion's hand for a cheaper sale. Well hard luck Levy, some folks break and bend, JP is the other kind.

As for Berahino, he has been played, well and truly, and what's more they, Spurs, have left him hanging out to dry. I feel no sympathy however, as someone said, he's not a child. there are plenty who by his age have an actual proper job and are supporting a family of their own, not spending time tweeting pictures of their abdominals, getting inebriated and sulking because they can't get their own way.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 03:09:04 PM
Peace throwing stones in glass houses. The result an unhappy player whose value is already less than 25m.

I tend to agree with this. We obviously had deals lined up for yesterday,Pulis publicly said as much,players no doubt hanging on right up until the last minute for that call from the Albion. Even if the deal with Spurs was struck at 5.40, we would have had until 8pm to finalise paperwork for new signings providing everything was in place by 6. Peace playing stubborn trying to be the clever big man has ruined everything. Spurs were being crafty, yes, but don't anyone tell me Peace wouldn't have done or attempted to do exactly the same.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on September 02, 2015, 03:13:44 PM
I tend to agree with this. We obviously had deals lined up for yesterday,Pulis publicly said as much,players no doubt hanging on right up until the last minute for that call from the Albion. Even if the deal with Spurs was struck at 5.40, we would have had until 8pm to finalise paperwork for new signings providing everything was in place by 6. Peace playing stubborn trying to be the clever big man has ruined everything. Spurs were being crafty, yes, but don't anyone tell me Peace wouldn't have done or attempted to do exactly the same.

Lot of speculation in there in rubbishing JP.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 02, 2015, 03:22:02 PM
My point was more aimed at how Peace structures deals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 03:26:27 PM
Anyone else looking forward to us beating Spurs 1-0, Saido with the winner?


Lets hope we beat them 1-0 and Berahino is no where to be seen
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 02, 2015, 03:33:42 PM
I tend to agree with this. We obviously had deals lined up for yesterday,Pulis publicly said as much,players no doubt hanging on right up until the last minute for that call from the Albion. Even if the deal with Spurs was struck at 5.40, we would have had until 8pm to finalise paperwork for new signings providing everything was in place by 6. Peace playing stubborn trying to be the clever big man has ruined everything. Spurs were being crafty, yes, but don't anyone tell me Peace wouldn't have done or attempted to do exactly the same.

Dont agree with it at all..

We are not the bad guys here Spurs are

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 03:33:47 PM
Peace throwing stones in glass houses. The result an unhappy player whose value is already less than 25m.


who gives a toss.we stood our ground and not let the bigger bullies bully us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on September 02, 2015, 03:52:03 PM

who gives a toss.we stood our ground and not let the bigger bullies bully us
there not bigger than us,just got a richer owner things can change
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 03:53:46 PM
there not bigger than us,just got a richer owner things can change


i think they are as a fan base and have the edge on history, god knows how they are planning to fill a 60000 stadium though
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2015, 03:55:01 PM
So what if it was
If JP had sold him at that late time in the window it would have been us Albion fans & TP going F---ing CRAZY at JP. F--K Spurs & their fans

I'm actually coming round to thinking that we should have taken the money, even putting aside the Berahino outburst, we may not have been able to spend it yesterday, but a cash deal would have given us money in the bank ready for January, and £14k per week off the wage bill.
If there was a bid of £25million cash up front, on reflection, IMO we should have taken it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 03:56:48 PM
Dont agree with it at all..

We are not the bad guys here Spurs are

But what I'm saying is wouldn't Peace do exactly the same if he was attempting to seal the deal for such a player? Of course he would. We did the same thing with Ideye for one, we've just done it again for Evans. X amount up front then the rest in complexed installments. It isn't just Spurs, we are exactly the same when it comes to negotiating deals. If we all had an educated guess how all this was going to pan out then why the hell couldn't the Albion see it? We are as much to blame as Spurs..........in my opinion!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 02, 2015, 03:59:06 PM
If we had accepted the final bid and not signed replacements there would have been uproar.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 04:01:05 PM
Lot of speculation in there in rubbishing JP.

Just as much speculation in my post as most other posts on here to be honest. None of us know what happened so why is my speculation worse than anyone else's? Who is to say Berahino isn't right with what he says when he has come out with that cryptic tweet about Peace and the club?? We don't know do we but people have still been speculating and rubbishing Saido and I haven't seen you post and accuse people of rubbishing him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 04:02:39 PM
if you want your blood to boil then Durham is taking about it  on Talksport now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 02, 2015, 04:03:32 PM
If we had accepted the final bid and not signed replacements there would have been uproar.

He could be rendered useless now in any case.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 04:04:41 PM
If we had accepted the final bid and not signed replacements there would have been uproar.

I agree but 'speculating' I would guess that we had players lined up to sign even at that late stage who were just hanging on for the Saido deal to go through.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2015, 04:10:16 PM
But what I'm saying is wouldn't Peace do exactly the same if he was attempting to seal the deal for such a player? Of course he would. We did the same thing with Ideye for one, we've just done it again for Evans. X amount up front then the rest in complexed installments. It isn't just Spurs, we are exactly the same when it comes to negotiating deals. If we all had an educated guess how all this was going to pan out then why the hell couldn't the Albion see it? We are as much to blame as Spurs..........in my opinion!

Nathan, Sorry, but it's horses for courses.
If a FC wants to move a player on they may well listen to offers for a structured deal. For Spurs to compare our friendly bid for Fazio with their hostile bid for Berahino is totally wrong. They wanted to move Fazio on, we didn't really want to lose Berahino & made it clear on more than one occasion that we would only be tempted with an up front cash deal of around £25million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 04:15:55 PM
Nathan, Sorry, but it's horses for courses.
If a FC wants to move a player on they may well listen to offers for a structured deal. For Spurs to compare our friendly bid for Fazio with their hostile bid for Berahino is totally wrong. They wanted to move Fazio on, we didn't really want to lose Berahino & made it clear on more than one occasion that we would only be tempted with an up front cash deal of around £25million.

I accept that but you can't blame Spurs or anyone else for 'chancing their arm' and testing the waters. It's up to the Albion to be savvy and streetwise enough to manage the whole negotiation episode and deal with it accordingly and not to end up in the bloody big mess we have found ourselves in now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: slate on September 02, 2015, 04:20:23 PM
I accept that but you can't blame Spurs or anyone else for 'chancing their arm' and testing the waters. It's up to the Albion to be savvy and streetwise enough to manage the whole negotiation episode and deal with it accordingly and not to end up in the bloody big mess we have found ourselves in now.

I think that we have been savvy and streetwise with this. Spurs knew how much he would cost and presumably the structure of the deal but decided to mess around. Peace told Berahino that he would not leave several days before the deadline.

How do you think this could have been handled differently? I think we got this spot on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 02, 2015, 04:23:51 PM
I accept that but you can't blame Spurs or anyone else for 'chancing their arm' and testing the waters. It's up to the Albion to be savvy and streetwise enough to manage the whole negotiation episode and deal with it accordingly and not to end up in the bloody big mess we have found ourselves in now.

4 months in discussion, first bid what a week ago ? I would expect somewhere along the line Peace told them what it would take to make the deal happen, Levy either failed to understand or just ignored it hence the situation we are in now.

Our possible deals using that money would have depended on the money being paid up front.

Only one party at fault here - Daniel Levy

Its not comparable to compare deals we do with the same sort of structured deals as we will let the selling club know what we are offering and they like us have a choice of whether to accept it or not, they in the past have done, we didn't.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 04:25:00 PM
I think that we have been savvy and streetwise with this. Spurs knew how much he would cost and presumably the structure of the deal but decided to mess around. Peace told Berahino that he would not leave several days before the deadline.

How do you think this could have been handled differently? I think we got this spot on.

How can we have got it spot on?! I could see this scenario coming a mile off. We have now got our multi million prized asset effectively going on strike and now potentially worthless. Yes, brilliant Albion. Spot on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on September 02, 2015, 04:26:40 PM
I accept that but you can't blame Spurs or anyone else for 'chancing their arm' and testing the waters. It's up to the Albion to be savvy and streetwise enough to manage the whole negotiation episode and deal with it accordingly and not to end up in the bloody big mess we have found ourselves in now.
everton had  a similar situation but their player hasn't spat his dummy out, imo if spurs failed to meet our  valuation you can't blame the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2015, 04:27:05 PM
I accept that but you can't blame Spurs or anyone else for 'chancing their arm' and testing the waters. It's up to the Albion to be savvy and streetwise enough to manage the whole negotiation episode and deal with it accordingly and not to end up in the bloody big mess we have found ourselves in now.

IMO it all hinges on this alleged £25million cash bid right at the death, if that's correct, I've already said that IMO, we missed a trick & should have taken the money.
On the other hand, if the final bid was still structured, (all the comentators said it was, & Spurs wouldn't give Pat Murphy an answer when he asked what the initial payment was), I think we took the correct course of action.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 02, 2015, 04:28:27 PM
How can we have got it spot on?! I could see this scenario coming a mile off. We have now got our multi million prized asset effectively going on strike and now potentially worthless. Yes, brilliant Albion. Spot on.

We may have well offered our anal ring to Levy if you had your way!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: slate on September 02, 2015, 04:29:19 PM
How can we have got it spot on?! I could see this scenario coming a mile off. We have now got our multi million prized asset effectively going on strike and now potentially worthless. Yes, brilliant Albion. Spot on.

Well of course he isn't worthless as you put it. He has time on his contract and although he has behaved like a tool, he is still a good footballer. Again, how would you have handled it differently?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 02, 2015, 04:30:12 PM
IMO it all hinges on this alleged £25million cash bid right at the death, if that's correct, I've already said that IMO, we missed a trick & should have taken the money.
On the other hand, if the final bid was still structured, (all the comentators said it was, & Spurs wouldn't give Pat Murphy an answer when he asked what the initial payment was), I think we took the correct course of action.

Saw a post earlier elsewhere that five live mentioned the final bid was £1.5m upfront more than the previous bid they made
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 02, 2015, 04:30:42 PM
To expect that amount of money up front was never going to happen. Peace made his stance, fair enough to him but I think it's a wrong hypocritical one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 02, 2015, 04:31:27 PM
IMO it all hinges on this alleged £25million cash bid right at the death, if that's correct, I've already said that IMO, we missed a trick & should have taken the money.
On the other hand, if the final bid was still structured, (all the comentators said it was, & Spurs wouldn't give Pat Murphy an answer when he asked what the initial payment was), I think we took the correct course of action.

If the final offer was cash in full we were still right to turn it down as it left us absolutely no time to bring in other players. The offer came at 17.40hrs...... Levy has known our position for months but in typical London fashion thought that we would greatfully accept his offer because we were desperate... but we didn't and we are not.

Regardless of what you think of JP, he did the right thing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2015, 04:32:30 PM
In the Mail, it is reported that Spurs offered 25m cash, not 5m up front. Make of that what you wish.
The Daily Mail doesn't even quote a source for it.  It's nonsense.  Spurs said their offer was more than £5m up front and the guy on the radio asked them to get back with how much it was and he'll put it out there.  They never got back.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 04:34:05 PM
bemused by anyone not defending Peace on this one. There is only one person to blame on this one and its Levy.Listen to Talksport or 5Live all top pudits i have heard are saying the same
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 02, 2015, 04:34:39 PM
To expect that amount of money up front was never going to happen. Peace made his stance, fair enough to him but I think it's a wrong hypocritical one.


Why ever not?

Thats how it used to happen, but now we tend to put so many clauses in just to avoid the CUF situation. Levy wanted him on the very cheap but picked on the wrong club. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2015, 04:35:07 PM
Saw a post earlier elsewhere that five live mentioned the final bid was £1.5m upfront more than the previous bid they made

My understanding, supported by a number of commentators, was the final bid was around £5million up front with the remaining payment structured & performance related. If that's the case, WBAFC took the correct action in turning the bid down.
On the other hand, the Daily Mail are claiming this morning that the final bid was a lump sum offer of £25million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 04:35:39 PM
We may have well offered our anal ring to Levy if you had your way!

I'm simply playing devil's advocate!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 02, 2015, 04:35:53 PM

Why ever not?

Thats how it used to happen, but now we tend to put so many clauses in just to avoid the CUF situation. Levy wanted him on the very cheap but picked on the wrong club.

Answered your own question.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2015, 04:36:14 PM
I tend to agree with this. We obviously had deals lined up for yesterday,Pulis publicly said as much,players no doubt hanging on right up until the last minute for that call from the Albion. Even if the deal with Spurs was struck at 5.40, we would have had until 8pm to finalise paperwork for new signings providing everything was in place by 6. Peace playing stubborn trying to be the clever big man has ruined everything. Spurs were being crafty, yes, but don't anyone tell me Peace wouldn't have done or attempted to do exactly the same.

Peace may well have tried the same thing.  The point about the timings is true though.  If Spurs had a fee agreed at 5:40pm then we would have 20 minutes to get our deals sorted and the signatures through.  It was never going to happen.

Peace hasn't ruined anything, he's been perfectly solid and consistent throughout.  The blame here lies at Spurs' door.  And I'm normally one to criticise Peace but, in this case, he's done nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2015, 04:36:37 PM
Levy has done the same trying to upset Southampton with Wyama, if thats what hes called.
He has a history of this
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 02, 2015, 04:38:11 PM
But what I'm saying is wouldn't Peace do exactly the same if he was attempting to seal the deal for such a player? Of course he would. We did the same thing with Ideye for one, we've just done it again for Evans. X amount up front then the rest in complexed installments. It isn't just Spurs, we are exactly the same when it comes to negotiating deals. If we all had an educated guess how all this was going to pan out then why the hell couldn't the Albion see it? We are as much to blame as Spurs..........in my opinion!

It's the X amount that's important.  If you're buying someone for £10m and offer £8m up front, the rest in installments and addons then fair enough.  But Spurs were offering FIVE million on a player that was worth £25m.  A joke of an offer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2015, 04:44:18 PM
If the final offer was cash in full we were still right to turn it down as it left us absolutely no time to bring in other players. The offer came at 17.40hrs...... Levy has known our position for months but in typical London fashion thought that we would greatfully accept his offer because we were desperate... but we didn't and we are not.

Regardless of what you think of JP, he did the right thing.

I am actually a huge fan of JP, so much so, that I think he would instantly see that £25million in the bank would give us a terrific competitive advantage in the January transfer window, even if we had no time to spend it this time. That's why I have my doubts about the Daily Mail story.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 02, 2015, 04:46:05 PM
Answered your own question.

Not really Scooby,

Levy has known for months what the situation was and had the option...... he always knew that it was going to be a deal with the majority of cash up front.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 02, 2015, 04:53:10 PM
We said it'll take £25m to land him and they didn't offer it. Even if they did offer £25m cash as a last minute offer, the answers no every time. We said weeks ago £25m, we said after two failed bids last week we don't have time to get adequate replacements in and it was a no. If they'd opened with that offer or the second offer he'd be in a Spurs kit now.

It's not like we've made them guess how much to offer, we told them straight up and when they stalled and waited weeks we said no. We can't be held to blame here.

Given we didn't want to sell whoever suggested making an offer that was in some way hinged on him performing well and making X amounts of appearances is again stupid. Who would sell their prized asset for a fifth of the value and be ok with potential revenue coming in if it goes ok? I wouldn't walk into Dolce & Gobana, give them twenty quid for a suit and the rest of the money if it got me a job/laid five years down the line.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wobbs68 on September 02, 2015, 04:54:50 PM
There are possibly 3 people to blame.  Levy as he knew what Peace wanted but never offered it (or if he did it was too late).  Berahino for trying to put pressure on the club at the last minute even though Peace had talked to him last week to explain the situation.  Possibly whoever Berahino's new agent is for potentially misguiding him

Peace has done the absolute right thing for the club, who come first.  Berahino is supposed to be a professional who earns much more money than any of us will ever see.  He should behave like one.  He will still make his fortune.  No thought or respect for our club or fans whatsoever.  I may have felt a bit sorry for him if we blocked a move to a proper big club challenging for trophies etc who had offered the value up front in time so that we could replace him but no, this is Tottenham who ruin footballers careers and Saido was just going for the big cash and bright lights, not to further his footballing career.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 02, 2015, 04:55:12 PM
We said it'll take £25m to land him and they didn't offer it. Even if they did offer £25m cash as a last minute offer, the answers no every time. We said weeks ago £25m, we said after two failed bids last week we don't have time to get adequate replacements in and it was a no. If they'd opened with that offer or the second offer he'd be in a Spurs kit now.

It's not like we've made them guess how much to offer, we told them straight up and when they stalled and waited weeks we said no. We can't be held to blame here.

Given we didn't want to sell whoever suggested making an offer that was in some way hinged on him performing well and making X amounts of appearances is again stupid. Who would sell their prized asset for a fifth of the value and be ok with potential revenue coming in if it goes ok? I wouldn't walk into Dolce & Gobana, give them twenty quid for a suit and the rest of the money if it got me a job/laid five years down the line.

Exactly! Well said.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 1954 on September 02, 2015, 04:55:30 PM
It was reported on Talksport this lunchtime that the spurs offer was  worth up to £23m including the add ons. The initial down payment was £6m with other instalments payable over several years ( presumably over the length of the contract they were to give Saido). No one knows how much of the total fee was guaranteed & how much was add ons that potentially might never be paid. My own guess would be something like £18m guaranteed.
The Daily Mail talk of £25m in cash refers to the fact that there was no player exchange in their offer & that the whole amount finally due would all be paid in cash but over 5 years.
For me Peace has done nothing wrong (I hope Pulis agrees!) & Levy is the one to blame for attempting to get our man on the cheap.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2015, 04:56:17 PM
Talksport now saying it wasn,t a £25million cash offer, just £6million base figure


http://talksport.com/football/saido-berahino-latest-tottenham-deal-collapsed-when-they-offered-just-ps6m-front-talksport? (http://talksport.com/football/saido-berahino-latest-tottenham-deal-collapsed-when-they-offered-just-ps6m-front-talksport?)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 02, 2015, 05:02:30 PM
I'm actually coming round to thinking that we should have taken the money, even putting aside the Berahino outburst, we may not have been able to spend it yesterday, but a cash deal would have given us money in the bank ready for January, and £14k per week off the wage bill.
If there was a bid of £25million cash up front, on reflection, IMO we should have taken it.


Which bid would you have accepted the the one with less than 1 hour of the window open or the other cheaper ones with about 2 hours left. I mean we can do 3 deals in that time can't we. ::)
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 02, 2015, 05:31:32 PM
How many clubs do people think are sat on cash reserves of £25m?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on September 02, 2015, 05:41:24 PM
How many clubs do people think are sat on cash reserves of £25m?
I'd say top 4 maybe top 6 looking at this years business!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 02, 2015, 05:46:09 PM
I'd say top 4 maybe top 6 looking at this years business!

And you think all clubs are paid up in full?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 02, 2015, 05:52:20 PM
It is very simple we did not want nor need to sell Saido. So to make us change our mind Spurs needed to make a too good to turn down offer.

In a world where even half decent Championship strikers are changing hands for £10m and United have just spent £36m on a 19 year old Ligue 1 striker with an 8 goals in 30 games record with more to come if he is successful, what price a proven Premier League goal scorer? Hands up  if you think the answer is £5m with additional payments subject to various add-on clauses spread over 5 years to a total of £25m. No I thought not. If he was a success by the time Spurs had finished paying for him the chances are he would have been playing at a big club like Arsenal

If the deal had been structured as £20m guaranteed with say £5m subject to appearances maybe Spurs and Saido would have grounds for complaint but it wasn't. I concede it is messy and Peace is getting brickbats from the fans that generally give him brickbats but it would have been a hell of a lot worse had he accepted a terrible offer from Spurs. 

Just for the sake of clarity all transfers are paid in installments over varying lengths of time and only a fraction of the fee is paid up front as cash. The issue is what proportion of the fee guaranteed compared to the total fee and what was subject to add on clauses and how long those clauses took to fulfill. Still looking to see if Saido is getting picked for Spurs in four years time before we can finalise our budget is a nonsense.   

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on September 02, 2015, 06:00:01 PM
After the initial dust has settled and I have listened to the speculation over what happened, I can safely say the spuds money man is definitely a selling guru but a p**s poor buyer!
Well done JP for telling them to do one with the pittance they wanted to put down ( should that actually be the case)
SB where do I start with you, seems to have had a good attitude over the majority of the window, has been put in a situation by Spurs, no doubt about it at all! Then has a spoilt kid meltdown at the last minute when he knows he is staying!
I was 21 once and most likely would feel the same as SB if this had happened to me over the summer, someone says they want you make all the right noises most likely spoke to player via agent or whatever, then don't follow through on their word! Upsetting/unsettling are the words that come to mind to me, I do feel sorry for the lad promised everything gained nothing, what he needs to do now is get his head clear, get back in training and score and create goals! This will earn him a big money move and most likely with a better club than the spuds, he needs to learn from this mess and build on it as a man.
As for the spuds, thought you could come and mess with the little old Albion in the Midlands??? Hahahahaha should of done your home work on our jezza and how we run our club mate, made yourself look a bit stupid with your failed bids!
I hope he gets his head sorted and scores a Hat full against your team!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dubliner on September 02, 2015, 06:03:26 PM
David Hytner nails it in this longish piece in the Guardian. Levy is the villain here, nobody else -

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/sep/02/tottenham-daniel-levy-transfer-chase-saido-berahino-west-brom?CMP=share_btn_tw   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Big Al on September 02, 2015, 06:03:49 PM
I think that once JP had said he would not be sold in this window and spoke to Saido to tell him that there was no going back whatever the deadline day offer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 06:23:11 PM
I think that once JP had said he would not be sold in this window and spoke to Saido to tell him that there was no going back whatever the deadline day offer.

That makes sense if only we weren't still being told that the club were still actively seeking 3 or 4 more players on deadline day. The way the club made public their statements on this, it appeared to everyone that we were in for our targets regardless of the Saido deal. This was obviously not the case was it! Albion then try to cover up and gloss over this blatant act of bulls**t by trying to blame Spurs for everything. Very convenient. Some people can't see the wood for the trees.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 02, 2015, 06:30:54 PM
That makes sense if only we weren't still being told that the club were still actively seeking 3 or 4 more players on deadline day. The way the club made public their statements on this, it appeared to everyone that we were in for our targets regardless of the Saido deal. This was obviously not the case was it! Albion then try to cover up and gloss over this blatant act of bulls**t by trying to blame Spurs for everything. Very convenient. Some people can't see the wood for the trees.

If we advertise the  fact our dealings hinge on Berahino being sold it makes Spurs think we're desperate to sell and pushes up the prices of said targets. I think you're lost in the woods fella.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2015, 06:35:21 PM

Which bid would you have accepted the the one with less than 1 hour of the window open or the other cheaper ones with about 2 hours left. I mean we can do 3 deals in that time can't we. ::)

My post was in response to yours, on the news in the Daily Mail that a bid of £25million cash was on the table at the death, & yes if that had been the case, I would have taken it, & so I suspect, would JP. Even if we couldn't have spent it yesterday, it would have given us a terrific advantage in the January window.
In the event, it turns out that wasn't the case, so it's just hyperthetical.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BewdleyBaggie on September 02, 2015, 06:38:22 PM
There are possibly 3 people to blame.  Levy as he knew what Peace wanted but never offered it (or if he did it was too late).  Berahino for trying to put pressure on the club at the last minute even though Peace had talked to him last week to explain the situation.  Possibly whoever Berahino's new agent is for potentially misguiding him

Peace has done the absolute right thing for the club, who come first.  Berahino is supposed to be a professional who earns much more money than any of us will ever see.  He should behave like one.  He will still make his fortune.  No thought or respect for our club or fans whatsoever.  I may have felt a bit sorry for him if we blocked a move to a proper big club challenging for trophies etc who had offered the value up front in time so that we could replace him but no, this is Tottenham who ruin footballers careers and Saido was just going for the big cash and bright lights, not to further his footballing career.
He's a headstrong young man, so in my opinion there's always the chance he could have ignored any common sense advice from anyone, including his own advisors.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on September 02, 2015, 06:42:12 PM
How any so called Albion fan can be blaming the club for this I don't know . It didn't go through because Spurs didn't offer the amount that the club wanted . Wether this was in instalments of upfront we will never no . 6m up front then the other 17 to 19 in instalments isn't enough . I'm totally with my club on this one . Has for sb , he can clean boots for the rest of the season for all I care . The club have brought him through the ranks and have made him what he is now .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 06:46:37 PM
If we advertise the  fact our dealings hinge on Berahino being sold it makes Spurs think we're desperate to sell and pushes up the prices of said targets. I think you're lost in the woods fella.

I'm not lost anywhere. I'm quite happy with my opinions,views and choices and glad I'm not wasting another penny on the Albion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on September 02, 2015, 06:47:15 PM
Nose, spite, face comes to mind.

Sort it out tone, get him playing, get him scoring, get US scoring.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 06:51:45 PM
If we advertise the  fact our dealings hinge on Berahino being sold it makes Spurs think we're desperate to sell and pushes up the prices of said targets. I think you're lost in the woods fella.

Contradicting yourself there aren't you. How would it make Spurs think we are desperate to sell when you have stated clearly that the club did the right thing by making it clear Saido wasn't for sale at any price?? You are getting confused with what you've previously posted just in attempt to have another pop at me. It's not me that's lost in the woods!  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 02, 2015, 07:00:53 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3219819/Saido-Berahino-forgiven-starts-scoring-Jeremy-Peace-blame-letting-fiasco-happen.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Is this guy an Albion fan at all?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 02, 2015, 07:07:41 PM
If the rumours of Spurs up front money being only £5m - £6m then it's a no brainer...total insult to us and Berahino. Surely it should be easy to make even Saido see this.

We know that if Man U came in for Harry Kane they'd want a minimum £30m up front plus add-ons. No way is he worth that much more than Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 02, 2015, 07:12:10 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3219819/Saido-Berahino-forgiven-starts-scoring-Jeremy-Peace-blame-letting-fiasco-happen.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Is this guy an Albion fan at all?

Errr NO, It's the Daily Mail justifying their own position, both the Mail & Mirror are trying to justify Spurs stance. Wasn't it the Mail who claimed Spurs had bid £25million cash at the death. Other corespondents say it was still a structured bid.
I suspect the article in the Guardian is probably closer to the truth.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TLMS17 on September 02, 2015, 07:22:14 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3219819/Saido-Berahino-forgiven-starts-scoring-Jeremy-Peace-blame-letting-fiasco-happen.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Is this guy an Albion fan at all?
Think he is, he's not a mail writer and the words he uses such as "keeping us up" why say us if he's not a fan
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 07:24:51 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3219819/Saido-Berahino-forgiven-starts-scoring-Jeremy-Peace-blame-letting-fiasco-happen.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Is this guy an Albion fan at all?

Why question this bloke's allegiance to the Albion just because he has opened his eyes and seen that this view point is more than credible? His view on this matter is exactly how I see it too. Albion fans are allowed to take their blinkers off sometimes you know and look at the bigger picture rather than just blindly sit and defend the club against others no matter what. There is no point listening to anything the club publicly come out with ever again. It's been a summer of false dawn statements, contradictions and total utter bulls**t.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on September 02, 2015, 09:39:41 PM
Why question this bloke's allegiance to the Albion just because he has opened his eyes and seen that this view point is more than credible? His view on this matter is exactly how I see it too. Albion fans are allowed to take their blinkers off sometimes you know and look at the bigger picture rather than just blindly sit and defend the club against others no matter what.

Sorry but most of the opinion in that "blog" sounds like it was paid for (up front with cash) by Levy himself.....

I'm not saying mistakes were not made by the club but Spurs are clearly culpable in this mess....

and are repeat offender in this window, Wanyama...

There is no point listening to anything the club publicly come out with ever again. It's been a summer of false dawn statements, contradictions and total utter bulls**t.

It maybe your opinion but I really am struggling to give you any credence...... oh forget it  :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 09:49:09 PM
Sorry but most of the opinion in that "blog" sounds like it was paid for (up front with cash) by Levy himself.....

I'm not saying mistakes were not made by the club but Spurs are clearly culpable in this mess....

and are repeat offender in this window, Wanyama...

It maybe your opinion but I really am struggling to give you any credence...... oh forget it  :-X

No credence? Really? So what about the hype and tripe over the takeover public announcements and statements? What about the public statements about how active we were going to be and just what we was going to be doing in the last week of the transfer window? All rubbish to try and appease and please the supporters only to be followed by back tracking and hiding and conveniently covering up and overshadowing the flawed comments by having Levy there to blame for Saido. It's a joke. Why can't anyone on here see it? We've been fed a load of b******s all summer long.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 02, 2015, 10:16:32 PM
No credence? Really? So what about the hype and tripe over the takeover public announcements and statements? What about the public statements about how active we were going to be and just what we was going to be doing in the last week of the transfer window? All rubbish to try and appease and please the supporters only to be followed by back tracking and hiding and conveniently covering up and overshadowing the flawed comments by having Levy there to blame for Saido. It's a joke. Why can't anyone on here see it? We've been fed a load of b******s all summer long.
Nathan.
With the take over it was "rumoured Chinese?" They have had a big "Correction" over there with finance. Not surprised it fell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 10:25:41 PM
Nathan.
With the take over it was "rumoured Chinese?" They have had a big "Correction" over there with finance. Not surprised it fell.

I totally accept that, I'm not for one minute blaming the club for it falling through. What I'm trying to get across though is the way the club went about their press releases and official comments. It was a bloody circus! The same has applied with this transfer window. If the club wants to avoid criticism then it would have been best to say nothing instead of making statements that just weren't factual. I stand by my word that it IS the case that if it wasn't for Mr. Levy then the Albion would be taking so much criticism and abuse for their handling of the transfer window. Just look at the posts on the transfer rumour thread on the day of the deadline. I was on there all day. Things were getting very heated and fans getting very irate all day up until the Spurs/Levy affair and the Saido tweet at around 5pm. All of a sudden there was a common enemy to gang up on and the the woes and faults of the Albion were all of a sudden forgotten about.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 02, 2015, 10:27:59 PM
No credence? Really? So what about the hype and tripe over the takeover public announcements and statements? What about the public statements about how active we were going to be and just what we was going to be doing in the last week of the transfer window? All rubbish to try and appease and please the supporters only to be followed by back tracking and hiding and conveniently covering up and overshadowing the flawed comments by having Levy there to blame for Saido. It's a joke. Why can't anyone on here see it? We've been fed a load of b******s all summer long.

Would you care to remind me how much we've just spent and where that expenditure ranks in our records?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 02, 2015, 10:30:14 PM
Nathan.
With the take over it was "rumoured Chinese?" They have had a big "Correction" over there with finance. Not surprised it fell.

I quite agree.

Furthermore...
I think Peace has done his utmost best this window and I think we are massively improved in this area on the last couple of years.
His tenacity over Saido was absolutely spot on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 10:42:28 PM
Would you care to remind me how much we've just spent and where that expenditure ranks in our records?

Yes, and?? That's not the issue I'm raising though is it! I'm blatantly referring to the press releases and public statements that the club have made. Read my posts thoroughly,that is what I'm being critical of.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 02, 2015, 10:45:46 PM
We've responded to Spurs through professionally worded statements in relation to them doing their shady business via the Daily Mirror.

It's not hard.

The best piece I've seen on this whole saga is the Saints man linking the speculation linking Spurs with both Saido & Wanyama and the identical subsequent managed incidents of both players trying to engineer cheap moves.

I couldn't be prouder of our club, just like Saints and Everton fans should be of theirs. **** Spurs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 02, 2015, 10:47:09 PM
Yes, and?? That's not the issue I'm raising though is it! I'm blatantly referring to the press releases and public statements that the club have made. Read my posts thoroughly,that is what I'm being critical of.

Trouble is though, when Peace maintained radio silence some time ago, he got lambasted by loads of people. Damned if you do and damned if you don't?? I think he expected more from the window TBH but it just didn't come off.

Let's see how ambitious the club is come May time, eh and not jump up and down like headless bleeding chickens.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 02, 2015, 10:50:06 PM
Trouble is though, when Peace maintained radio silence some time ago, he got lambasted by loads of people. Damned if you do and damned if you don't?? I think he expected more from the window TBH but it just didn't come off.

Let's see how ambitious the club is come May time, eh and not jump up and down like headless bleeding chickens.

In some eyes Albion can do no right, they always leave just about enough worm like wriggle room to engineer themselves into a position where they can criticise the whatever we do.

Anti Albion fans.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 02, 2015, 10:52:59 PM
Contradicting yourself there aren't you. How would it make Spurs think we are desperate to sell when you have stated clearly that the club did the right thing by making it clear Saido wasn't for sale at any price?? You are getting confused with what you've previously posted just in attempt to have another pop at me. It's not me that's lost in the woods!  8)

Oh dear. Been busy so only just come back to this. Your post suggested we as a club had made out our deals were independent of Berahino in affect a lie and are now using Spurs as a cover up. I then posted the ramifications of us not going about things in this way. No contradiction at all. What I believe about the way we handled things overall and my reply to your post are not linked. I'm not having a pop at you just adding to the debate. You on the other hand seem to be attempting to undermine me through sheer belligerence. Pointless debating with you  fella.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 02, 2015, 10:53:28 PM
Sense....

http://tbrfootball.com/spurs-unsettled-just-berahino-wanyama-pursuits-duo/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 10:54:55 PM
Trouble is though, when Peace maintained radio silence some time ago, he got lambasted by loads of people. Damned if you do and damned if you don't?? I think he expected more from the window TBH but it just didn't come off.

Let's see how ambitious the club is come May time, eh and not jump up and down like headless bleeding chickens.

Yes, it is catch 22 at times I agree. I just think though if the club publicly get our hopes up with official statements that they know there is no guarantee of honouring, then silence would have been the best option. I know some fans don't like silence, I can understand frustration with that, but at least with that the club can't be accused of giving false hope and therefore appearing to be inaccurate!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 02, 2015, 10:57:01 PM
We've spent £30m and declined to sell a good player in a pathetically low value deal.

What more do you want?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 02, 2015, 11:01:02 PM
I totally accept that, I'm not for one minute blaming the club for it falling through. What I'm trying to get across though is the way the club went about their press releases and official comments. It was a bloody circus! The same has applied with this transfer window. If the club wants to avoid criticism then it would have been best to say nothing instead of making statements that just weren't factual. I stand by my word that it IS the case that if it wasn't for Mr. Levy then the Albion would be taking so much criticism and abuse for their handling of the transfer window. Just look at the posts on the transfer rumour thread on the day of the deadline. I was on there all day. Things were getting very heated and fans getting very irate all day up until the Spurs/Levy affair and the Saido tweet at around 5pm. All of a sudden there was a common enemy to gang up on and the the woes and faults of the Albion were all of a sudden forgotten about.
Yes but the Club can only go forward on " concrete" doable  comments.Everyone wants to know what is going on but there are so many "Issues" and "Players" in the mix. My view is Spurs are totally at fault and this is the cause of all our aggro.I hope WBA NEVER do business with Levy in charge again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bry on September 02, 2015, 11:01:32 PM
Yes, it is catch 22 at times I agree. I just think though if the club publicly get our hopes up with official statements that they know there is no guarantee of honouring, then silence would have been the best option. I know some fans don't like silence, I can understand frustration with that, but at least with that the club can't be accused of giving false hope and therefore appearing to be inaccurate!
What were you hoping for then from all this mis-information the club have put out?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 11:05:41 PM
Oh dear. Been busy so only just come back to this. Your post suggested we as a club had made out our deals were independent of Berahino in affect a lie and are now using Spurs as a cover up. I then posted the ramifications of us not going about things in this way. No contradiction at all. What I believe about the way we handled things overall and my reply to your post are not linked. I'm not having a pop at you just adding to the debate. You on the other hand seem to be attempting to undermine me through sheer belligerence. Pointless debating with you  fella.

The contradiction I was referring to wasn't that, it was that a couple of day's ago you rightly had an opinion that the Albion were correct in making it clear to Spurs that Saido was going nowhere regardless. Then you say the Albion were in a way purposely releasing false statements to make it appear to Spurs that we we were not desperate to sell him, therefore not inflating the price tag of our potential targets. You already said though that Spurs had been told that Saido was not going to be sold, so Albion would't achieve anything by calling Tottenham's bluff over this would they. The Albion had no need to be clever with their statements to fool Spurs. The Albion could have been totally upfront about there not being any transfer activity and at least we would have been able to accept that. No offence intended with my earlier post Jacko, I love our little debates  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 02, 2015, 11:25:25 PM
Sense....

http://tbrfootball.com/spurs-unsettled-just-berahino-wanyama-pursuits-duo/
Should Levy be charged with bringing the game into disrepute?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 02, 2015, 11:32:41 PM
What were you hoping for then from all this mis-information the club have put out?

Well for a start bringing in the 3 or 4 players that club spent the final week publicly stating would be the case would have been good. Like I say, Saido and Levy have taken the heat out of this not happening. My final word on the subject now....and I won't bite on any further debate on the matter. :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 02, 2015, 11:33:34 PM
The contradiction I was referring to wasn't that, it was that a couple of day's ago you rightly had an opinion that the Albion were correct in making it clear to Spurs that Saido was going nowhere regardless. Then you say the Albion were in a way purposely releasing false statements to make it appear to Spurs that we we were not desperate to sell him, therefore not inflating the price tag of our potential targets. You already said though that Spurs had been told that Saido was not going to be sold, so Albion would't achieve anything by calling Tottenham's bluff over this would they. The Albion had no need to be clever with their statements to fool Spurs. The Albion could have been totally upfront about there not being any transfer activity and at least we would have been able to accept that. No offence intended with my earlier post Jacko, I love our little debates  ;D

Can't find the post mate so will take your word for it. On topic I'm delighted the spoilt little sod has stayed, give Pulis 2 minutes with him in the showers he'll soon be back in the stripes  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 02, 2015, 11:43:00 PM

This was so close to being a fantastic transfer window. Had we sold Saido for £25m and been able to buy the extra 3-4 players needed it would have been almost perfect (most of us wanted some full backs).

As a result of the Saido deal falling through it is still a very decent transfer window and we just have a few missing jigsaw pieces to slot on and a few to get rid of, whether that's in January or next summer.

Tony Pulis has only been here 8 months. He has completed a 75% overhaul of an ageing and very unbalanced squad.  Two more transfer windows and we will have a very strong squad with far more pace and width than last year.

If Saido has to be sold to finance it then so be it.  We will all need to move on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 03, 2015, 12:01:25 AM
This was so close to being a fantastic transfer window. Had we sold Saido for £25m and been able to buy the extra 3-4 players needed it would have been almost perfect (most of us wanted some full backs).

As a result of the Saido deal falling through it is still a very decent transfer window and we just have a few missing jigsaw pieces to slot on and a few to get rid of, whether that's in January or next summer.

Tony Pulis has only been here 8 months. He has completed a 75% overhaul of an ageing and very unbalanced squad.  Two more transfer windows and we will have a very strong squad with far more pace and width than last year.

If Saido has to be sold to finance it then so be it.  We will all need to move on.

Great post.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bry on September 03, 2015, 12:17:24 AM
Well for a start bringing in the 3 or 4 players that club spent the final week publicly stating would be the case would have been good. Like I say, Saido and Levy have taken the heat out of this not happening. My final word on the subject now....and I won't bite on any further debate on the matter. :-X
I dont recall the 'club" doing anything of the sort. It was Pulis who hinted he hoped for some transfers!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 03, 2015, 12:28:07 AM
'Transfer rebel Saido Berahino ordered to stay away from West Brom' -  Daily Star

Hilarious!!!  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SirTonyM on September 03, 2015, 01:04:35 AM
In simple terms.
Spurs want player
Player is under contract at west brom
Spurs bid lower than he's valued by club
West Brom don't want to sell him....
The end :)

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on September 03, 2015, 07:08:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWgg20IqibM

Peace and Levy?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 03, 2015, 10:03:53 AM
Looks like he's going Awol by the looks of things on Twitter.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 03, 2015, 10:04:22 AM
Unless it's a short break until Monday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 03, 2015, 10:14:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWgg20IqibM

Peace and Levy?
Has anyone noticed the barcode shirt toward the right hand side, bottom of the screen, in the crowd scene.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 03, 2015, 10:21:13 AM
Looks like he's going Awol by the looks of things on Twitter.

Is that a private jet he's on, must have money to burn.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 17GD on September 03, 2015, 10:28:55 AM
Must be off on an overnight stay seeing how he has that important meeting tomorrow...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba58 on September 03, 2015, 10:30:08 AM
There is no point listening to anything the club publicly come out with ever again. It's been a summer of false dawn statements, contradictions and total utter bulls**t.

This isn't really true. The thing the club have been most vocal about this window is keeping Saido, which is exactly what they have done.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on September 03, 2015, 10:34:25 AM
Must be off on an overnight stay seeing how he has that important meeting tomorrow...

Its been put back to Monday according to reports...however, you'd think he might want to keep a low profile and not rub everyone's noses in it!!!

The sooner this kid is out the club, the better!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 03, 2015, 10:34:46 AM
Looks like he's trying to get sacked.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 03, 2015, 10:37:48 AM
Honest to God, this guy needs knocking down a few pegs, or preferably out cold.

F*ck him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 03, 2015, 10:39:46 AM
Honest to God, this guy needs knocking down a few pegs, or preferably out cold.

F*ck him.

Yeah keep him out now, Reserves at best doing laps.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 03, 2015, 10:41:41 AM
Morrison i hope this is winding you up like us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on September 03, 2015, 10:47:46 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SBerahino/status/639359910015311872/photo/1

Berahinos latest tweet

Going on his jollies on some private jet by the looks of it. Please can we let this #### rot
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on September 03, 2015, 10:49:03 AM
He sure likes to provoke people, why not just lie low for a few days?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on September 03, 2015, 10:52:40 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SBerahino/status/639359910015311872/photo/1

Berahinos latest tweet

Going on his jollies on some private jet by the looks of it. Please can we let this #### rot
arrogant little c!!! i wished i could bump into him!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on September 03, 2015, 10:52:55 AM
I don't care if it has a detrimental effect on the performance of the club this season, there is no way I want him back in the team!

Clearly not bothered or unfazed by any of what has happened last few days. He's got time off...if he wants to go away, none of us can stop him...but to post it out there like this, and rub everyones nose in it, is just unforgiveable.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 03, 2015, 11:01:45 AM
There's some European matches on tonight, he's possibly off to one of those, but the picture is very provocative, & clearly there is no remorse.
I suspect he's angling for a dismissal, but if he is, it's a very risky strategy, it would be a very brave EPL club who would take him on. Not only because he is very volatile, but the political fallout would be a nightmare.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 03, 2015, 11:02:23 AM
In simple terms.
Spurs want player
Player is under contract at west brom
Spurs bid lower than he's valued by club
West Brom don't want to sell him....
The end :)

It really is that simple.

I dont get what Spurs have got too be angry about, he is OUR player we dont want to sell and even if we will accept a bid they never matched what we wanted or how we wanted to be paid.

If they had met all of our stipulations they would have the player.

The only people who should be angry is us as a club, we never encouraged any offers, infact we openly said we will not be selling him this summer. turning down 2-3 bids was proof that we were not interested in selling.

I would say what Spurs have done all summer is pretty much tapped up Berahino, if they did bid at the last minute then surely they already had a deal agreed with the agent and the player but without permission to speak to the player from us then they have done so illegally.

Spurs have done it to other clubs aswell, Southampton last year and this year and us so they have history of it.

Yes payments are structured but we didnt accept the bid no matter how structured it was, what is the issue Spurs have other than throwing their toys out of the pram because the last 2-3 years transfer business for them has made them out to be small time and not able to bully clubs like they probably could 5-10 years ago

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on September 03, 2015, 11:08:52 AM
The difference between Stones and Berahino is ridiculous.

Two young lads wanting a move, one gets his head down and carries on playing, the other has thrown literally every toy out the pram and seems like a grade A ****.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 03, 2015, 11:12:47 AM
Anyone seen this tweet from McAuley??

https://twitter.com/G23mcauley/status/639377304163098625

 ;D ;D

I would say its a definite dig at Berahino and if so thats class!!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on September 03, 2015, 11:23:50 AM
Never Booed a Baggie in my 46 years of watching....but if he walks out on to the pitch I  doubt I will be able not to...don't want him anywhere near our club again...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 03, 2015, 11:25:38 AM
Never Booed a Baggie in my 46 years of watching....but if he walks out on to the pitch I  doubt I will be able not to...don't want him anywhere near our club again...

Do you know, that is exactly how I feel as well, arrogant little tosser!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 03, 2015, 11:31:41 AM
someone is going to nutt him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 03, 2015, 11:35:23 AM
Quality,

good luck tonight boys
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 03, 2015, 11:38:01 AM
Never Booed a Baggie in my 46 years of watching....but if he walks out on to the pitch I  doubt I will be able not to...don't want him anywhere near our club again...

Exactly the same here. I'm not even angry at him he's pathetic, I hope he gets both barrels from the fans.

Look at Wanyama's latest comments after his unsettling by Spurs:

http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/sports/2015/09/03/wanyama-is-now-a-focused-happy-saint/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 03, 2015, 12:04:48 PM
Can't really say I am in the least bothered by the Berahino photo.

Bloody hell, you'd think he'd been pictured wiping his back side on the shirt or something a la cash boy Ridgewell.

As for his original tweet it was the action of an immature little man which has consciously or otherwise served to provoke exactly what it has. Vitriol, spite, hatred and venom within the support base while bringing attention to himself.

And once again people are dancing to his tune and further publicising him.

Just let him get on with it, comeuppance has a nasty habit of kicking one in the rollocks when one least expects it.

Bothered by this?
He doesn't appear to be, so in similar vein not a single ounce of f(k do I give.
Have your weekend away Saido, put your toys back in the pram and get on with your job on your return.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 03, 2015, 12:10:50 PM
Just hope JP backs TP's judgement on this now.

With new players to integrate into the squad & games coming thick and fast after the international break, can't imagine TP would be happy to have to spend time trying to bring Berahino back into the fold, especially when he clearly doesn't want to co-operate.

Now the transfer window has closed, I imagine the options are limited, but some tough decisions will need to be made over the next few days for the good of WBAFC.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on September 03, 2015, 12:39:53 PM
Can't really say I am in the least bothered by the Berahino photo.

Bloody hell, you'd think he'd been pictured wiping his back side on the shirt or something a la cash boy Ridgewell.

As for his original tweet it was the action of an immature little man which has consciously or otherwise served to provoke exactly what it has. Vitriol, spite, hatred and venom within the support base while bringing attention to himself.

And once again people are dancing to his tune and further publicising him.

Just let him get on with it, comeuppance has a nasty habit of kicking one in the rollocks when one least expects it.

Bothered by this?
He doesn't appear to be, so in similar vein not a single ounce of f(k do I give.
Have your weekend away Saido, put your toys back in the pram and get on with your job on your return.
Spot on.  He's grown up (well, not grown up) in a strange bubble given both his family history and the way young footballers with potential are cossetted.  He'll have to play if he wants away, it's a simple as that.  No-one's going to buy him in Jan if he hasn't been playing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on September 03, 2015, 01:12:05 PM
Spot on.  He's grown up (well, not grown up) in a strange bubble given both his family history and the way young footballers with potential are cossetted.  He'll have to play if he wants away, it's a simple as that.  No-one's going to buy him in Jan if he hasn't been playing.

But it isn't as simple as that, is it? While his stupid head is still on, he will only be putting in half effort, someone else will be in his chosen position, meaning more huffs, Pulis will see all this and won't select him, and we are left with a potentially good player with a poor attitude and the fans getting on his back, sitting on the sidelines watching his own career go down the plughole. Not really very easy to see a solution. The original and best solution was for him to come out the next day, admit he was a prat, and apologise (again). But he didn't and any apology now will be completely insincere. Not really simple at all. You seem to be suggesting that he will walk into the team, an assumption Saido maybe shares, but it won't be the case, especially with TP at the helm.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 03, 2015, 01:17:27 PM
But it isn't as simple as that, is it? While his stupid head is still on, he will only be putting in half effort, someone else will be in his chosen position, meaning more huffs, Pulis will see all this and won't select him, and we are left with a potentially good player with a poor attitude and the fans getting on his back, sitting on the sidelines watching his own career go down the plughole. Not really very easy to see a solution. The original and best solution was for him to come out the next day, admit he was a prat, and apologise (again). But he didn't and any apology now will be completely insincere. Not really simple at all. You seem to be suggesting that he will walk into the team, an assumption Saido maybe shares, but it won't be the case, especially with TP at the helm.

To be honest, as far as I am concerned, he can rot with the youth for two years, yes its a loss to the club, the fans and JP, but there are bigger principles involved here, if you love West Brom, you have to take a stand against this abhorrent, arrogant human being.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: marky on September 03, 2015, 01:19:09 PM
Hows Nabi? Is he ready? 

I think we cant possibly play Saido now - its his doing, we will end up with less money in the end but there we are.

Can you imagine him taking a pen against the Villa? 

<cant look>
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on September 03, 2015, 01:19:57 PM
But it isn't as simple as that, is it? While his stupid head is still on, he will only be putting in half effort, someone else will be in his chosen position, meaning more huffs, Pulis will see all this and won't select him, and we are left with a potentially good player with a poor attitude and the fans getting on his back, sitting on the sidelines watching his own career go down the plughole. Not really very easy to see a solution. The original and best solution was for him to come out the next day, admit he was a prat, and apologise (again). But he didn't and any apology now will be completely insincere. Not really simple at all. You seem to be suggesting that he will walk into the team, an assumption Saido maybe shares, but it won't be the case, especially with TP at the helm.

And quite right that he shouldn't walk straight back into the team. He seems to be showing contempt for the club and the fans. He doesn't deserve a place in the team - his attitude is a disgrace.

If G-Mac's photo earlier was a dig at Berahino, which I would imagine it was, it has to raise doubts as to whether they will want him back in the dressing room!

Lets hope someone comes and takes him off our hands in January!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 03, 2015, 01:25:33 PM
Don't panic lads that photo's not taken a jet. He's in a caravan at Prestatyn
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 03, 2015, 01:30:43 PM
Hows Nabi? Is he ready? 

I think we cant possibly play Saido now - its his doing, we will end up with less money in the end but there we are.

Can you imagine him taking a pen against the Villa? 

<cant look>
Nabi's in India for Dehli Dynamos for 3 months. Playing with malouda, riise and Roberto Carlos (Carlos is player manager)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 03, 2015, 01:31:58 PM
To be honest, as far as I am concerned, he can rot with the youth for two years, yes its a loss to the club, the fans and JP, but there are bigger principles involved here, if you love West Brom, you have to take a stand against this abhorrent, arrogant human being.

I love West Brom and have loved the goals he's scored to keep us in this division over the last 2 years. I couldn't give a monkeys what goes on off the pitch. It will be down to good management to get him back playing and doing the business for us. If not we'll end up with another Odemwingie situation which was handled badly and benefited no one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 03, 2015, 01:44:35 PM
I love West Brom and have loved the goals he's scored to keep us in this division over the last 2 years. I couldn't give a monkeys what goes on off the pitch. It will be down to good management to get him back playing and doing the business for us. If not we'll end up with another Odemwingie situation which was handled badly and benefited no one.

I understand where you are coming from, but for me, its beyond that, he will just upset the rest of the squad, isolate him for everyone else's benefit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 03, 2015, 01:46:14 PM
Nabi's in India for Dehli Dynamos for 3 months. Playing with malouda, riise and Roberto Carlos (Carlos is player manager)

thats interesting as Delhi Dynamo's have a tie up with Rotterdam, I wonder if this is part of the work done last year by the deputation we sent to india?
I notice that Dynamo's are "owned" by DEN a digital TV company, who no doubt would like a presence in the premier League ......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 03, 2015, 01:46:40 PM
Just hope JP backs TP's judgement on this now.

With new players to integrate into the squad & games coming thick and fast after the international break, can't imagine TP would be happy to have to spend time trying to bring Berahino back into the fold, especially when he clearly doesn't want to co-operate.

Surely this is what management is all about, it's up to Pulis to use his man management skills to integrate him back into the fold and to get the best out of him.  I'm a million miles from being a Pulis fan but for all his faults he has had previous success in getting some troublesome personalities to knuckle down and perform.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 03, 2015, 01:52:34 PM
I understand where you are coming from, but for me, its beyond that, he will just upset the rest of the squad, isolate him for everyone else's benefit.

For me I could see this situation coming. Had it not I don't think he would have hit the heights of previous seasons either playing in a Pulis side. It was a big mistake not selling him especially as we still have big gaps in the squad that needed addressing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on September 03, 2015, 02:02:35 PM
Paul Merson feels sorry for Berahino because he's only young...he's 22 for crying out loud. It's not as if he's some idiot 16 year old.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 03, 2015, 02:04:27 PM
Paul Merson feels sorry for Berahino because he's only young...he's 22 for crying out loud. It's not as if he's some idiot 16 year old.


John Stones is only 20
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 03, 2015, 02:05:02 PM
Quote from: smethwickw link=topic=2906.msg412320#msg412320date=1441284682
For me I could see this situation coming. Had it not I don't think he would have hit the heights of previous seasons either playing in a Pulis side. It was a big mistake not selling him especially as we still have big gaps in the squad that needed addressing.
I partly agree but selling for so little up front and with so little time to work would have been madness , Spurs for me are in the wrong....they wanted Saido on the cheap basically.
Lets say we sold Saido at the last and couldn't get anybody in, this board and others would be in meltdown against JP. Pulis will turn  Saido around im sure.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 03, 2015, 02:10:30 PM
He should be living life on the quiet at the moment letting it blow over.

He must surely realise that fans were going to find his recent tweet provocative.

The bloke is an arsehole. Complete arsehole.

Fair play to Gareth McAuley - cracking response  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: marky on September 03, 2015, 02:14:29 PM
Nabi's in India for Dehli Dynamos for 3 months. Playing with malouda, riise and Roberto Carlos (Carlos is player manager)

thats encouraging.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 03, 2015, 02:15:36 PM
He should be living life on the quiet at the moment letting it blow over.

He must surely realise that fans were going to find his recent tweet provocative.

The bloke is an arsehole. Complete arsehole.

Fair play to Gareth McAuley - cracking response  :D

I can only imagine that if GMac & Brunty are taking the pi55, the vast majority of the dressing room will be fairly anti SB as well. He is going to be a lonely kid and need some real nurturing to get re-integrated (if its possible) after this. is TP that nurturing / caring individual ?

Jermaine Pennant is only case I can think of where it was turned around by TP & his team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on September 03, 2015, 02:22:01 PM
For all his idiocy off the pitch, a fit Berahino in the goals is what I want to see for the Albion. Dont care who scores them only care if you can and right now he is the player I have most faith in to score. (Not saying I dont have faith in Rondon & Lambert but you understand, he is just better).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on September 03, 2015, 02:28:14 PM
Can only imagine what a guy like Gmac who made it the way he did thinks of Berahino's antics!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BelfastBaggie on September 03, 2015, 02:36:02 PM
Cracking response from G Mac.

Although, If Saido needs an example of someone who sorted themselves out after ostracizing themselves from a team and fanbase, he can look no further than the man in the middle of that picture.

From not turning up for international duty, pretending he is injured, and evidently showing he didn't care, Lafferty has totally turned it around and won the Northern Irish fans back. I sincerely hope Saido can do the same
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on September 03, 2015, 02:41:10 PM
I really don't understand why some people think he's better than Rondon ?! What is this opinion based on ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: macc_baggie on September 03, 2015, 02:44:09 PM
Frankly I think there's a little overreaction to the latest tweet and the prior one but that's just my opinion.

I really don't care what he does, if he wants to act like a child I won't lose any sleep over it. He's been removed from 1st team duties whilst he's being a fool, so isn't impacting on performances. Yes the dressing room might be upset, but I hardly imagine it's preventing them from carrying on.

Let him sulk, get him back in the team when he's done, hopefully he'll score a few and we can still sell him for 25m.

As for the principle? Don't buy it. Getting rid of Anelka for making anti semetic gestures was done on principle and rightly so. Berahino just wants out and voices his views in a spectacularly immature manner.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 03, 2015, 02:49:19 PM
Kicked out of Brentford for arguing with Rosser.

Inhales nitrous oxide, denies driving under its influence.

Banned for 12 months for drink driving.

Tells the club he'll never play for them again.

He is a young man, but he's a complete and utter clown.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbastrollers on September 03, 2015, 03:03:44 PM
Kicked out of Brentford for arguing with Rosser.

Inhales nitrous oxide, denies driving under its influence.

Banned for 12 months for drink driving.

Tells the club he'll never play for them again.

He is a young man, but he's a complete and utter clown.

I am afraid Young man - you purport to be a Christian?!,but is this the kind of witness you want the World to see?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on September 03, 2015, 03:06:01 PM
Personally i would not let him anywhere near the first team for the immediate future, if at all.

This isnt the first time he has fallen foul with his attitude, its about the 6th, he is not a teenager anymore, he is a 22 year old man.

Most people deserve a 2nd chance, sometimes a 3rd but this idiot just keeps throwing it back in peoples faces, we probably all know somebody like it, i would imagine the dressing room probably just think 'here we go again' and i would imagine he has very little respect from his colleagues which is a big deal, you dont have to like somebody but you can respect them.

When you have people such as Fletcher and Evans who have 'made it' at the biggest club in the world, got loads of medals, i wonder what they make to such a spoilt brat.

As i say i hope he is nowhere near the team, i think even before any of this he would of been played out wide anyway so why not use one of our actual wingers there instead.

I think his attitude is so poor he is the sort who possibly wouldnt try for the team if he was picked, again making it all about him. Only Pulis will know that by seeing him each day, but also i think Pulis values a siege mentality, fans and players together, certainly at home, and i think Saido will be given a very hostile reception by a lot of fans and that does not bode well for the 'altogether now'

For what its worth, similar to the Odemwingie situation, i doubt the club have dealt  with it perfectly  but the fact remains, he is our player to sell and if teams dont pay what we want, then tough. I think the difference is Odemwingie and Saido went public with quite ridiculous stances and it immediately makes you take the clubs side more than the players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 03, 2015, 03:14:35 PM
At 22 i......

- Had a mortgage
- Was getting married
- Had a responsible job
- Was trusted to travel the country seeing big customers

He's pathetic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on September 03, 2015, 03:41:20 PM
Kicked out of Brentford for arguing with Rosser.

Inhales nitrous oxide, denies driving under its influence.

Gets smacked by Morrison and falls out with the dressing room over his arrogance.

Banned for 12 months for drink driving.

Tells the club they will be thankful when he 'keeps them up.

Tells the club he'll never play for them again.

He is a young man, but he's a complete and utter clown.

Added a few more, you missed a few out!  :o

Seriously, did Balotelli have this many scandals aged 22? I know he had stuff like "handed out cash to the public" but this wasn't really negatives.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on September 03, 2015, 03:56:05 PM
I don't get this age thing. I have met plenty of pensioners who are still spoilt brats as far as I am concerned and I am sure we can think of a whole bunch of celebrities with fame, wealth and therefore supposed "success" yet with the personality of a juvenile.  Unless we are fully able to understand the importance of business relationships and in SB's case the point that he is useless with out the support of his team mates we will always be "a work in process".

Unlike some of the angels I have seen posting I was definitely an irritating sh!t at his age and I am sure there are plenty who would say I still am. Fortunately I didn't have the world at my feet in the same way as his guy. He screws it up and he has the rest of his life to regret it. Some people can get their heads around this sort of stuff earlier in life than others. Like the rest of us maybe he just isn't cut out for the life of a premier league footballer. If so then it is a shame because he has talent but hasn't learned how to apply it. Something the academy needs to look at perhaps, although I personally think the only real answer will come once the greed league finally eats itself and we can get back to football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SirTonyM on September 03, 2015, 04:21:02 PM
I love the albion (and i totally understand passions running high because we love the club) but with all that's happening in the world you do think "who cares" about Berahino's strop...If he chooses to stay away fine, If he wants to apologize and work hard and play again over time then fine.
The passion, sense of injustice and feelings might be better served elsewhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 03, 2015, 04:38:05 PM
I love the albion (and i totally understand passions running high because we love the club) but with all that's happening in the world you do think "who cares" about Berahino's strop...If he chooses to stay away fine, If he wants to apologize and work hard and play again over time then fine.
The passion, sense of injustice and feelings might be better served elsewhere.

This one works two ways.

Berahino could think looks what's happening with the world and where I have come from. Maybe I should be a bit more grateful for the position I'm in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on September 03, 2015, 04:49:59 PM
Dont think its about age or celebrity, think its about respect and learning from your mistakes.

I have made mistakes like everyone else but you learn from them, become a bit more mature and been a footballer shouldnt be an excuse for no morals and no respect.

If Berahino had a few discretions you get by, but it seems every few months there is something negative about him, you can only give people so many chances, the penny has to drop.

I rate him as a footballer but i am fedup  and bored s***less of his constant stupid behaviour and attitude. If he comes back scores a few goals, doesnt get a move again, acts a b***end again do we just repeat the cycle?

There is a reason a big club didnt touch him with a bargepole and he has just confirmed it with his latest antics.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on September 03, 2015, 04:57:06 PM
Interesting take, not sure if this guy is genuine or not or his 'inside' information is real…

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/28015/can-peace-break-out-in-big-time-saido-berahino-saga/#Hl1QtQqcxJu2VwP6.99
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 03, 2015, 04:58:35 PM
Unless my eyes deceive me it looks like Mrs Berahino's little boy favours leg waxing.
What on earth is that all about with a chap?

Crikey if that's the rage then I really am getting old.
Pampered and cosseted indeed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 03, 2015, 05:02:04 PM
I'm sure a couple will still defend him and blame peace.

For me I don't want him wearing the shirt again, Theres only so much disloyalty a player can show without making us look like complete mugs if we put him back in.

An apology written by a solicitor won't mend this relationship, The blokes a tw.t and by all sounds needs another slap.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 03, 2015, 05:11:55 PM
Stop having a go at him.
He is only worth 5 million, according to Levy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 03, 2015, 07:15:59 PM
Kicked out of Brentford for arguing with Rosser.
Beckham and fergie ..

Inhales nitrous oxide, denies driving under its influence.
Not illegal, next

Banned for 12 months for drink driving.
Bad, but not on his own, Hughes was far worse

Tells the club he'll never play for them again.
Never actually said those words

He is a young man, but he's a complete and utter clown.
22 millionaire, most would do similar?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 03, 2015, 07:23:32 PM
I'm annoyed that he didn't go about it very well, but I'm also understanding that if he was desperate to stay here but someone offered 40m ( up front) then we would have forced him out?
I care nothing about him going on a plane, i would be surprised if he only went on a plane to annoy Albion fans, I'm also surprised that people are saying Morrison should slap him, the same Morrison that spoke down of the club last year when interviewed prior to a Scotland match?
People keep saying he has an attitude, he's tried nitrous oxide wow, he loves his mom and he has obviously showed a level of application to get where he is, Merson, Adams,Hughes,Barton etc are a lot worse but treated much better

Anyway, why so much fuss about our second choice striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on September 03, 2015, 07:38:19 PM

Nonsense, Beckham has been a career professional - with literally no attitude problems throughout.

Hughes wasn't 'far worse' as they both drunk drove, it was chance that Hughes killed someone/Berahino didn't - you can't just say "bad but not on it's own", it's a disgusting thing to do and ruins lives.

He basically did say he didn't want to play for the Albion again, if we aren't pedantic then it means he will never play for Peace, who will own the club for the forseeable.

Most PL footballers are millionaires these days, aged 22 (look at Stones) - most do not act as badly as he does.

Stop making excuses for him, that is the reason why he's such an arsehole already as people like Ian Wright and Robbie Savage tell him hes doing the right thing etc, it's BS.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 03, 2015, 07:45:01 PM
Nonsense, Beckham has been a career professional - with literally no attitude problems throughout.

Hughes wasn't 'far worse' as they both drunk drove, it was chance that Hughes killed someone/Berahino didn't - you can't just say "bad but not on it's own", it's a disgusting thing to do and ruins lives.

He basically did say he didn't want to play for the Albion again, if we aren't pedantic then it means he will never play for Peace, who will own the club for the forseeable.

Most PL footballers are millionaires these days, aged 22 (look at Stones) - most do not act as badly as he does.

Stop making excuses for him, that is the reason why he's such an arsehole already as people like Ian Wright and Robbie Savage tell him hes doing the right thing etc, it's BS.

Not making excuses
Beckham ( you said he fell out with Rossler) fell out with fergie, doesn't make either right wrong or bad
You say that Hughes was bad luck? No both of them were stupid doing what they did , no luck involved, but one had much worse consequences
You say that the other players act better than he does ?, well the press report regularly on young footballers doing all sorts of things , there is also plenty unheard of, if you sit back and analyse what he has "actually" done or said , the list isn't that long.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on September 03, 2015, 07:53:54 PM
This whole sorry saga is just going to go on and on. It's only going to end up with him going eventually. I'll be glad when he's gone and we can all move on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Stroller on September 03, 2015, 07:56:11 PM
Today's tweet is a bit more innocent when you see the fuller picture. 
Inside:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN92cftWIAAi0hW.jpg)
Outside:
(http://www.sistersonthefly.com/app/webroot/userfiles/170/module_photo_gallery/images/large_21196.jpg?width=700&height=700)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on September 03, 2015, 08:18:13 PM
If i remember correctly,when the brat was called up to the full England squad by uncle Roy,i think it was around the same time of his driving offence and Roy wasn't aware of it was he? Would he have been called up if he had known, i wonder.Or should Bera have told Roy himself or was it nothing to do with England.I suppose its an honesty thing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on September 03, 2015, 08:29:16 PM
Interesting take, not sure if this guy is genuine or not or his 'inside' information is real…

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/28015/can-peace-break-out-in-big-time-saido-berahino-saga/#Hl1QtQqcxJu2VwP6.99

The Secret Footballer is reputed to be Dave Kitson, and his info is indeed genuine.  Good article and insight into the situation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies_24 on September 03, 2015, 08:41:21 PM
Had he have come out like Wanyama and said he is now focusing his attentions on getting back into the team and apologising for his tweet citing it down to frustration, I think most would have forgiven him. The fact this hasn't happened and now with this new picture makes me hope the club make him train on his own for 2 years and his career goes down the pan like it deserves.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on September 03, 2015, 10:01:08 PM
Interesting take, not sure if this guy is genuine or not or his 'inside' information is real…

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/28015/can-peace-break-out-in-big-time-saido-berahino-saga/#Hl1QtQqcxJu2VwP6.99

The best sentence in that report....

It was the sort of picture that most people wish was of themselves, including footballers, but it was also the sort of picture that a lot of people, including footballers, take one look at and say to themselves: “What a big time cock.”

 ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on September 03, 2015, 11:04:00 PM
The best sentence in that report....

It was the sort of picture that most people wish was of themselves, including footballers, but it was also the sort of picture that a lot of people, including footballers, take one look at and say to themselves: “What a big time cock.”

 ;D
more like small time prick
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 03, 2015, 11:28:00 PM
I was fortunate enough to meet Ben Foster when he visited my workplace today. When I enquired about his opinion on Saido, his reply was extremely negative, and he stated it would've been better if he had just 'knuckled down'. So there's at least one team mate not best pleased about him. :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: garry on September 04, 2015, 12:05:45 AM
He needs to ask himself just one question: Do I want to have any chance of playing for England next year in Euro 2016?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 04, 2015, 05:28:54 AM
I don't think he's even considered it. More than likely, he's probably too upset about missing out on the mega bucks that Spurs were going to pay him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 04, 2015, 06:12:32 AM
I woke up this morning and found that he is still a w@nker! ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 04, 2015, 06:56:28 AM
Saido Behrainho owes this football club far more than it owes him. So far in his short career he has not coveted himself well off the field. In stark contrast to someone like Tyrone Mings. Who is proof being a young, wealthy footballer doesn't act as an excuse to act like a brain dead moron.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on September 04, 2015, 07:26:15 AM
I woke up this morning and found that he is still a w@nker! ;D
when you wake up tomorrow you will probably think the same. and you would be correct.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 04, 2015, 07:43:51 AM
Saido Behrainho owes this football club far more than it owes him. So far in his short career he has not coveted himself well off the field. In stark contrast to someone like Tyrone Mings. Who is proof being a young, wealthy footballer doesn't act as an excuse to act like a brain dead moron.

I agree with you Scooby, but I said this the other day and got some adverse comments back from folk who I suspect don't know the full story of SB.

When he leaves us I think he will turn out to be a 'big time charlie' TBH. Lets just say that I am looking forward to reading his account of recent events in his autobiography his mum will no doubt write........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 04, 2015, 08:44:23 AM
Sending "him" on his holidays was a mistake in my opinion he should have been treated no difference to the likes of Stone,Matty phillips,Charlie Austin to name a few who had their dream of more £££££ being sweeped away at the end of the transfer window   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: nick_wba on September 04, 2015, 08:48:28 AM
I agree with you Scooby, but I said this the other day and got some adverse comments back from folk who I suspect don't know the full story of SB.

When he leaves us I think he will turn out to be a 'big time charlie' TBH. Lets just say that I am looking forward to reading his account of recent events in his autobiography his mum will no doubt write........

I was one of them, and I do know the full SB story, but I still really don't understand why he owes the club?

Yes he came over here from Africa on his own, but it wasn't like the Albion went over to Burundi to play machine gun preacher, scouted a load of kids playing on dirt football pitches, paid for them to fly over to England for a trial and gave a few of them contracts. He had already moved to Birmingham, he was already playing kids Sunday League football, he already had a home and a life in Birmingham the time he joined the academy - he would have been treated no differently to any other young kid trying to make it. If he wasn't good enough, he would have been thrown off the conveyor-belt just like any other kid without any regard for where he came from. Why does he owe us? This is all getting completely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on September 04, 2015, 08:49:41 AM
Sending "him" on his holidays was a mistake in my opinion he should have been treated no difference to the likes of Stone,Matty phillips,Charlie Austin to name a few who had their dream of more £££££ being sweeped away at the end of the transfer window

Phillips & Austin have never actually asked to leave QPR. Unlike Berahino & Stones.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 04, 2015, 08:54:15 AM
Sending "him" on his holidays was a mistake in my opinion he should have been treated no difference to the likes of Stone,Matty phillips,Charlie Austin to name a few who had their dream of more £££££ being sweeped away at the end of the transfer window

If it hadn't been international week, I don't think TP would have given him leave. I just don't think he wanted Berahino around during a less busy period.
I still think Berahino's angling for the sack, I think he'll be told in no uncertain terms on Monday, that's not going to happen. He will be allowed to leave, possibly in January, but on JP & TP's terms.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 04, 2015, 08:55:17 AM
Then we will have to beg to differ Nick, I get your point about picking him from a sunday league team etc, and had he been no good he would have been discarded, but after the support and training he has received in his 11 years with us, I think he could and should have been a lot more respectful about the club in the press.

We all know what a talent he is and we all know he is destined for bigger and better things, and until recently I suspect that the majority of us were fully behind him, but not any more.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on September 04, 2015, 09:06:02 AM
Is he even that good???   Dont you think him scoring 20 last year was just one of those weird statistical aberrations that happens sometimes?  I dont think he would have scored 10 goals this year, either with spurs or us. His all round play is nothing special
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on September 04, 2015, 09:10:05 AM
Phillips & Austin have never actually asked to leave QPR. Unlike Berahino & Stones.
dont believe these were genuine transfer requests more being told to ask so they wouldnt be entitled directly to their 5% of the fee thus reducing the club wanting to buys costs in real terms allowing them to compensate the players at a later dat.e
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 04, 2015, 09:17:58 AM
dont believe these were genuine transfer requests more being told to ask so they wouldnt be entitled directly to their 5% of the fee thus reducing the club wanting to buys costs in real terms allowing them to compensate the players at a later dat.e


I agree but they acted like pro's when their moves didn't materialize was the point i was trying to make  :-[ sorry for not making that clear
Don't know if i have now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: harrowbaggie on September 04, 2015, 09:39:42 AM
looks like the boy has finally removed the offensive tweets !!

https://twitter.com/SBerahino

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sammyg on September 04, 2015, 09:42:08 AM
He's got some making up to do, hat trick against villa , an apology, and plenty of goals , then he gets his move in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 04, 2015, 09:42:43 AM
Is he even that good???   Dont you think him scoring 20 last year was just one of those weird statistical aberrations that happens sometimes?  I dont think he would have scored 10 goals this year, either with spurs or us. His all round play is nothing special

He actually only scored 14 in the PL, the other 6 were in the cup and that included 4 against Gatershead that he famously did not celebrate.

However, I can think of a few goals he has taken under pressure, particularly against Man U where his class shines through... personal opinion only. Like a lot of our strikers really, with the correct service he could have scored a lot more........ 

Needs a slap though... where's Mozza when you need him?? 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 04, 2015, 09:44:35 AM
Good article from the secret footballer which offers an interesting insight into the saga quite long so I won't post it in it's entirety.

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/28015/can-peace-break-out-in-big-time-saido-berahino-saga/

An interesting view is that Pulis wanted shot of him at £23m but Peace vetoed it. From what we now know that only £5m of that was guaranteed we could hardly spend,  the other £18m that was performance related given that our current Head Coach doesn't trust the player's temperament.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 04, 2015, 10:04:34 AM
I wonder if the full details of the offer will ever be leaked out to the public.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 04, 2015, 11:07:54 AM
Just my opinion.
To those who question his temperament I fully understand where you are coming from.
To those who question his talent I still say he is quality.

Saido Berahino has not said that the support base is full of w@nkers. He has voiced his frustrations very immaturely via the medium of social media. However, having stated that he has been immature I personally believe there has been a massive over reaction to his Tweets, especially the one from yesterday. Hopefully there will be an apology to both the club and supporters now that he has removed said Tweets, although in all honesty this would carry no weight with many.

The kid appears to have two major talents in life. Getting up people’s noses and playing football. Hopefully he can give the Vic’s stick a rest to allow the talent which I would dearly love to see come to its fruition at the Albion a chance to do the talking.

F(kin’ man up Saido, stop acting the tw@t and resume your career with some semblance of humility towards your employer and those who cherish the club and the game’s traditions.

Ball’s in your court as far as I am concerned chap, what’re you going to do with it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on September 04, 2015, 11:14:27 AM
We all know that we are all waiting for this spoiled twonk to be out the way .unfortunately he knows he will have to come back in the team . Prospects of getting him out the way will only bear fruit if he is playing . Players that are potential millionaires don't need to accept punishment do they?.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 04, 2015, 11:22:18 AM
I hope that Rondon performs to his max, and SB is basically surplus to requirements.

Rondon with Lambert (who I personally do not rate) & Vic as support should be good enough IF we are able to get the ball to them in the right manner.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 04, 2015, 11:32:48 AM
I hope that Rondon performs to his max, and SB is basically surplus to requirements.

Rondon with Lambert (who I personally do not rate) & Vic as support should be good enough IF we are able to get the ball to them in the right manner.

Agree with you on that. I have a bit of sympathy with Lambert because to me he is an out and out No9 and I think he is being asked to perform a role that he is not comfortable with. He will score for sure....... 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 04, 2015, 11:45:23 AM
so the idiots been hitting delete then
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 04, 2015, 11:46:33 AM
The short article below made me laugh and probably sums up the media industry regarding both Berahino and the transfer window in general.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/berahino-rumours-stop-about-four-hours (http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/berahino-rumours-stop-about-four-hours)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on September 04, 2015, 11:48:26 AM
I hope that Rondon performs to his max, and SB is basically surplus to requirements.

Rondon with Lambert (who I personally do not rate) & Vic as support should be good enough IF we are able to get the ball to them in the right manner.

Totally agree! I still firmly believe Rondon could be a fantastic signing for us, and I'd like to see him supported/supplied by Gnabry and/or Sess.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: townster on September 04, 2015, 12:30:35 PM
This is my first post on the subject as I am still angry over the actions of the player so sorry if these mirror anybody else's views. Undoubtably a talent on the pitch he has proved to be nothing more than a complete to$$er off it, he makes as many headlines in the news tabloids as he does on the back pages where his name should be, something that the club has frowned upon with previous players ,he should feel full force of every action available to the club. with Saido its only ever been about Saido WBA has come a very poor second to the kid who if it wasn't for us could well of found himself hanging of the back of a truck in Calais trying to find his way to the UK. I see grown men at the Albion who don't earn  in a year what this idiot earns in a week or a fortnight, but are grateful for what they have in life, this to$$er will never have anything in common with us although he should have as if it wasn't for the likes of us paying hard earned cash through the turnstiles and the club taking a chance on a scrawny refugee he would never have got to where he is in life. Saido needs to remember that its a long way between the gutter and the stars, and it looks like those laboutin loafers are going to get covered in $hit because he will always be in the gutter with the attitude he has, shame he could of been a legend but now he will always be known as a complete <unt
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on September 04, 2015, 12:33:38 PM
This is my first post on the subject as I am still angry over the actions of the player so sorry if these mirror anybody else's views. Undoubtably a talent on the pitch he has proved to be nothing more than a complete to$$er off it, he makes as many headlines in the news tabloids as he does on the back pages where his name should be, something that the club has frowned upon with previous players ,he should feel full force of every action available to the club. with Saido its only ever been about Saido WBA has come a very poor second to the kid who if it wasn't for us could well of found himself hanging of the back of a truck in Calais trying to find his way to the UK. I see grown men at the Albion who don't earn  in a year what this idiot earns in a week or a fortnight, but are grateful for what they have in life, this to$$er will never have anything in common with us although he should have as if it wasn't for the likes of us paying hard earned cash through the turnstiles and the club taking a chance on a scrawny refugee he would never have got to where he is in life. Saido needs to remember that its a long way between the gutter and the stars, and it looks like those laboutin loafers are going to get covered in $hit because he will always be in the gutter with the attitude he has, shame he could of been a legend but now he will always be known as a complete <unt


That about sums it up. I couldn't add anything to that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on September 04, 2015, 12:55:43 PM
looks like the boy has finally removed the offensive tweets !!

https://twitter.com/SBerahino

Yes looks like he has taken both his original tweet and the plane tweet down. I would suggest that after hearing all the abuse coming his way from the media, ex pros (not fans because I don't believe he gives a hoot about us) and the PFA his tiny brain may have realized that he has been a pillock
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: palmaroy on September 04, 2015, 01:04:52 PM
This is my first post on the subject as I am still angry over the actions of the player so sorry if these mirror anybody else's views. Undoubtably a talent on the pitch he has proved to be nothing more than a complete to$$er off it, he makes as many headlines in the news tabloids as he does on the back pages where his name should be, something that the club has frowned upon with previous players ,he should feel full force of every action available to the club. with Saido its only ever been about Saido WBA has come a very poor second to the kid who if it wasn't for us could well of found himself hanging of the back of a truck in Calais trying to find his way to the UK. I see grown men at the Albion who don't earn  in a year what this idiot earns in a week or a fortnight, but are grateful for what they have in life, this to$$er will never have anything in common with us although he should have as if it wasn't for the likes of us paying hard earned cash through the turnstiles and the club taking a chance on a scrawny refugee he would never have got to where he is in life. Saido needs to remember that its a long way between the gutter and the stars, and it looks like those laboutin loafers are going to get covered in $hit because he will always be in the gutter with the attitude he has, shame he could of been a legend but now he will always be known as a complete <unt
ftp://i agree with every word.Good Post
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on September 04, 2015, 01:21:11 PM
This is my first post on the subject as I am still angry over the actions of the player so sorry if these mirror anybody else's views. Undoubtably a talent on the pitch he has proved to be nothing more than a complete to$$er off it, he makes as many headlines in the news tabloids as he does on the back pages where his name should be, something that the club has frowned upon with previous players ,he should feel full force of every action available to the club. with Saido its only ever been about Saido WBA has come a very poor second to the kid who if it wasn't for us could well of found himself hanging of the back of a truck in Calais trying to find his way to the UK. I see grown men at the Albion who don't earn  in a year what this idiot earns in a week or a fortnight, but are grateful for what they have in life, this to$$er will never have anything in common with us although he should have as if it wasn't for the likes of us paying hard earned cash through the turnstiles and the club taking a chance on a scrawny refugee he would never have got to where he is in life. Saido needs to remember that its a long way between the gutter and the stars, and it looks like those laboutin loafers are going to get covered in $hit because he will always be in the gutter with the attitude he has, shame he could of been a legend but now he will always be known as a complete <unt

come on, say what you really mean...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 04, 2015, 01:29:43 PM
This is my first post on the subject as I am still angry over the actions of the player so sorry if these mirror anybody else's views. Undoubtably a talent on the pitch he has proved to be nothing more than a complete to$$er off it, he makes as many headlines in the news tabloids as he does on the back pages where his name should be, something that the club has frowned upon with previous players ,he should feel full force of every action available to the club. with Saido its only ever been about Saido WBA has come a very poor second to the kid who if it wasn't for us could well of found himself hanging of the back of a truck in Calais trying to find his way to the UK. I see grown men at the Albion who don't earn  in a year what this idiot earns in a week or a fortnight, but are grateful for what they have in life, this to$$er will never have anything in common with us although he should have as if it wasn't for the likes of us paying hard earned cash through the turnstiles and the club taking a chance on a scrawny refugee he would never have got to where he is in life. Saido needs to remember that its a long way between the gutter and the stars, and it looks like those laboutin loafers are going to get covered in $hit because he will always be in the gutter with the attitude he has, shame he could of been a legend but now he will always be known as a complete <unt


in a nutshell
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: townster on September 04, 2015, 01:31:26 PM
come on, say what you really mean...
are you trying to imply I have held back a little or that there  is something more to my view ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on September 04, 2015, 01:36:08 PM
are you trying to imply I have held back a little or that there  is something more to my view ???
just an old joke, that's all  :-*
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: townster on September 04, 2015, 01:41:16 PM
just an old joke, that's all  :-*
that's ok but I do believe he's an obnoxious little $hit  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 04, 2015, 01:41:30 PM
i will say it again. i hope we dont see this t--ser wearing a first team shirt ever again
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on September 04, 2015, 01:50:53 PM
I hope he never wears albions or an England shirt again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: macc_baggie on September 04, 2015, 02:09:31 PM
Correct me if i'm wrong - have the club ever have a "let's take on particularly disadvantaged children over others policy"? (seriously if he was deliberately brought in by the club due to his background then fair enough)

If they didn't then Saido was scouted as was any other kid with talent at a young age. He shouldn't be any more grateful than any other youngster that's come through our ranks, just because of his past. He would have got to the position he's in due to his talent.

Doesn't excuse his actions mind, but I don't see why he has to owe us more than any other of our players from the youth ranks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on September 04, 2015, 02:12:01 PM
Best way to deal with him in the short term is to make him train and play with the kids considering he's acted like one (coulple of weeks).

Next few months he needs to be ignored a little more - by fans anyway, to ensure he doesn't get what he craves - attention!

Get rid in Jan or summer as he's good but he ain't as good as he currently thinks he is and with his attitude this makes him more hassle than he's worth in my view - Spurs seemed to agree considering the downpayment plan!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 04, 2015, 02:20:23 PM
Odemwingie thought he was bigger than 'little ole' West Brom' this creep feels the same.
He'll end up in a similar situation to Pete, sideways move then obscurity.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: nick_wba on September 04, 2015, 02:43:49 PM
Odemwingie thought he was bigger than 'little ole' West Brom' this creep feels the same.
He'll end up in a similar situation to Pete, sideways move then obscurity.

I just can't see that happening, he's good enough to play for a top 4 team and I really think he will.

He's just retweeted an emoji tweet from Ian Wright. Annoys me no end how that pratt can ever condone such childish behaviour
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on September 04, 2015, 02:44:01 PM
Correct me if i'm wrong - have the club ever have a "let's take on particularly disadvantaged children over others policy"? (seriously if he was deliberately brought in by the club due to his background then fair enough)

If they didn't then Saido was scouted as was any other kid with talent at a young age. He shouldn't be any more grateful than any other youngster that's come through our ranks, just because of his past. He would have got to the position he's in due to his talent.

Doesn't excuse his actions mind, but I don't see why he has to owe us more than any other of our players from the youth ranks.
were on here as anyone said he owes us more than any other of our kids who have come through the ranks? i havent seen it. he is an ungrateful little git and i would feel the same about any other player coming through the ranks if they behaved the way he has. he as a privileged lifestyle and just abuses the people who have given him that lifestyle.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 04, 2015, 02:45:27 PM
I was one of them, and I do know the full SB story, but I still really don't understand why he owes the club?

Wasn't a racially motivated comment. I'd say the same with Kane and Spurs. Albion had faith in him and played him before anything else. So yes, he certainly owes the club more than vice versa. Which is quite funny because he needs the club more than we need him in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on September 04, 2015, 02:47:24 PM
Correct me if i'm wrong - have the club ever have a "let's take on particularly disadvantaged children over others policy"? (seriously if he was deliberately brought in by the club due to his background then fair enough)

If they didn't then Saido was scouted as was any other kid with talent at a young age. He shouldn't be any more grateful than any other youngster that's come through our ranks, just because of his past. He would have got to the position he's in due to his talent.

Doesn't excuse his actions mind, but I don't see why he has to owe us more than any other of our players from the youth ranks.
some of us don't see it like that .lets go to basics . This lad has been at the Albion 11 years . This is his 3rd full seasonin the first team so his career is in its enfancy . For the first 8 years of being with us I would say a lot of time and input has gone in from the club . Since he has made the big time his antics have been of a spoilt brat . There were problems when he was loaned out , we had the stupid laughing gas incident and then of course his drink driving conviction . He's been on the naughty step last year and there are rumours that he ain't all that well liked in the dressing room , particularly from the senior players there . So all in all this spoiled brat does owe the club , because in any other profession he would have had the sack .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on September 04, 2015, 02:52:26 PM
What gets my up my nose in all this is that Spurs aren't all that great are they? OK, so he'd get a bit more cash each month. If Kane got injured, or even sold to one of the mega-clubs, they'd be struggling. (PS, I wouldn't want to wish injury on Kane).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on September 04, 2015, 02:52:46 PM
You'd think his background would make him a little more thankful for the position he is in now, which despite the point that it could have been any other club, is factually all because of West Bromwich Albion FC. Our scouts, coaches, managers, chairman, other players, fans, etc, have all combined to put him in this position.

Instead of thanking the imaginary bloke in the sky for everything that he has and then treating those who really put him here (fans, club) with contempt and utter disrespect, maybe he should take a small dose of reality, look himself in the mirror and assess the real reasons he actually is where he is.

Doesn't mean he has to want to play for us forever, just means he should show a bit more humility and that he is actually grateful for the extremely fortunate position he is currently in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on September 04, 2015, 03:05:17 PM
Am I the only one to feel sorry for poor Saido and all the stick he's getting?  :(

We need to support him I feel, this is a tough time for the kid. He's been excellent for us the past year, let's not forget that. Pulis will sit him down and get him back on board.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 04, 2015, 03:14:45 PM
Am I the only one to feel sorry for poor Saido and all the stick he's getting?  :(

We need to support him I feel, this is a tough time for the kid. He's been excellent for us the past year, let's not forget that. Pulis will sit him down and get him back on board.

Is that a wind up?

I'm sure poor Saido had time to reflect on his private jet to wherever yesterday.

I do actually believe TP will talk him straight for the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: slugga1 on September 04, 2015, 03:19:43 PM
Am I the only one to feel sorry for poor Saido and all the stick he's getting?  :(

We need to support him I feel, this is a tough time for the kid. He's been excellent for us the past year, let's not forget that. Pulis will sit him down and get him back on board.

I felt sorry for him,  when he first had a strop but after 20 seconds realised he is an ungrateful little what's name..  Then after the plane pic he became from a little what's name, to an arrogant,  little $hit.

The thing is the first tweet was instinctive and hot headed, the pic was a conscious decision to wind up the club and fans.  He can F right off now in my eyes. 
I'm sure he will play again and will get his move but I can't forgive his behaviour now. I hope we get loads for him then he goes down the pan somewhere else. Karma.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 04, 2015, 03:23:45 PM
Am I the only one to feel sorry for poor Saido and all the stick he's getting?  :(
Yes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 04, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
Am I the only one to feel sorry for poor Saido and all the stick he's getting?  :(

We need to support him I feel, this is a tough time for the kid. He's been excellent for us the past year, let's not forget that. Pulis will sit him down and get him back on board.



He can go and join your mate Alan in the garden :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 04, 2015, 03:33:51 PM
Odemwingie thought he was bigger than 'little ole' West Brom' this creep feels the same.
He'll end up in a similar situation to Pete, sideways move then obscurity.

Odemwingie from what I remember wanted a longer contract, we didn't offer it him so he wanted to go somewhere that would offer him that which happened to be QPR. He was talented enough to find a club even after his contract expired but got drunk and tweeted garbage. SB just decided he's too big for us and wanted more money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on September 04, 2015, 03:52:29 PM
Am I the only one to feel sorry for poor Saido and all the stick he's getting?  :(

We need to support him I feel, this is a tough time for the kid. He's been excellent for us the past year, let's not forget that. Pulis will sit him down and get him back on board.

A tough time is struggling to find a job whilst having bills to pay and mouths to feed...or families trying to flee war torn countries.

Berahino has a life most of us could only dream of...professional footballer, earns more in a year than many do in a lifetime, the glamour, the lifestyle...yet at the age of 22 hes thrown his toys out the pram and shown complete disrespect to the club who have helped get him to this stage, and to the supporters who have chanted his name week in week out!

He deserves every ounce of stick that he gets!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 04, 2015, 03:53:20 PM
Snake on a plane, he may well be regretting his actions now, especially when he has got so much criticism from the professional ranks, but, who knows, to be honest, he is such an arrogant little tw@t, he may just be doing what he thinks is best for him.

If he comes out and apologises and gives 100%, I will tolerate him until he is sold.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on September 04, 2015, 03:56:49 PM
remember even his fellow pros at west brom took the pee out of him by tweeting their own picture on a plane
If anything he must realize everyone is against him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 04, 2015, 04:00:07 PM
remember even his fellow pros at west brom took the pee out of him by tweeting their own picture on a plane
If anything he must realize everyone is against him


Apart from his Mum and agent
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Stroller on September 04, 2015, 04:09:45 PM
Quote
He [Berahino] left long-time agent Aidy Ward, who hit notoriety for his role in Raheem Sterling's £49million move to Manchester City this summer, to join the Stellar Group - a firm fronted by agents David Manasseh and Jonathan Barnett, who were at the centre of Gareth Bale's world-record transfer to Real Madrid.

The split with Ward was amicable but Berahino felt the change was necessary to facilitate his wish to leave the Hawthorns.

Indeed, Stellar are known to have close links with Tottenham, in particular Daniel Levy - seemingly paving the way for a move to north London.
Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3220144/Saido-Berahino-blame-failed-West-Brom-Tottenham.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3220144/Saido-Berahino-blame-failed-West-Brom-Tottenham.html)
According to the article, Aidy Ward had lined up bids from Man City and Newcastle, and would probably have got the deal across the line. Sounds like Stellar cocked it up, for whatever reason, by failing to engineer the situation to everyone's satisfaction.

No wonder Saido got frustrated when the move collapsed! He should have stayed with Ward. Now he's stuck with agents that are too close to Spurs, which may narrow his options. If Levy goes cold on dealing with Albion, then Saido is in a corner.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 04, 2015, 04:17:57 PM
Am I the only one to feel sorry for poor Saido and all the stick he's getting?  :(

We need to support him I feel, this is a tough time for the kid. He's been excellent for us the past year, let's not forget that. Pulis will sit him down and get him back on board.

Can I ask why you feel sorry for him?

Not on a wind-up, just interested in trying to see the other side of the coin.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on September 04, 2015, 04:22:11 PM

Apart from his Mum and agent

And me.
He's an asset to the club and like any other player will be backed on the pitch by me.
When he leaves which he will like all other players I move on and give support to who ever takes his place
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 04, 2015, 04:31:48 PM
One thing I did notice from the Snake on a Plane pic, Saido is loosing his hair very quickly, he may not want to play Peace, but he will soon be competing on the baldy stakes!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on September 04, 2015, 04:40:57 PM

Apart from his Mum and agent
I think this is quite telling and it is a pity if he hasn't anyone who understands his needs and that he can turn to and trust with his professional issues.

When it comes to tantrums I find some of the responses to his behaviour a little hypocritical.

Just an opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 04, 2015, 04:45:53 PM
Look at how Odemwingie was treated by the fans after his outburst. It was detrimental to the side as results proved. The best we can do as fans is support the side regardless of whether he plays or not. Booing isn't going to help anyone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Northfield-Baggie on September 04, 2015, 05:43:25 PM
In regards to the plane pic, Berahino may aswell as held an Albion shirt up and set it on fire.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 04, 2015, 06:59:45 PM
He's not as stupid as he clearly tries to make out. The picture he posted yesterday was looks as though it was intended to alienate himself from the supporters even further although it was hardly necessary, him subsequently removing the pictures will have been done after being told to by his advisors as it made him look bad personally.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on September 04, 2015, 07:00:21 PM

Apart from his Mum and agent

Don't forget God  :-*
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 04, 2015, 07:04:56 PM
Look at how Odemwingie was treated by the fans after his outburst. It was detrimental to the side as results proved. The best we can do as fans is support the side regardless of whether he plays or not. Booing isn't going to help anyone.

Its just a shame he had to make that tweet essentially threatening to strike. If it hadn't been for that the situation was fairly easily retrievable with regards to getting him back in the team and playing but as you point out now him being in the squad will be detrimental to the team at least for an initial period.

I personally think the best action from a supporter standpoint is to completely ignore him personally if you can and just get fully behind the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 04, 2015, 08:03:31 PM
In regards to the plane pic, Berahino may aswell as held an Albion shirt up and set it on fire.
Please. Explain how a pic of someone on a plane can possibly be the same as setting fire to a shirt?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on September 04, 2015, 08:21:43 PM
Can I ask why you feel sorry for him?

Not on a wind-up, just interested in trying to see the other side of the coin.

I feel he had his heart set on playing for Spurs and had his dream disappear so he reacted badly but he is still a kid and he will learn from this. Pulis will get him to play.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 04, 2015, 08:34:10 PM
I feel he had his heart set on playing for Spurs and had his dream disappear so he reacted badly but he is still a kid and he will learn from this. Pulis will get him to play.

He's not a kid, he's a 22 year old man
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Northfield-Baggie on September 04, 2015, 08:56:39 PM
Please. Explain how a pic of someone on a plane can possibly be the same as setting fire to a shirt?

It's not someone. It's Saido 'Ballotelli' Berahino. I think most people see the absolute disregard and arrogance that picture expressess and disrespect to Albion fans everywhere after his infant performance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 04, 2015, 09:01:47 PM
He's not a kid, he's a 22 year old man

I'd argue that point, he's a 22 year old kid
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 04, 2015, 09:03:47 PM
I'd argue that point, he's a 22 year old kid

Fair point but i'd argue he's just a spoilt brat who happens to be 22, came to this country with nothing and so should be happy with what he's got.

Its a pity that footballers don't want to move to win trophies anymore, money seems more important to them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on September 04, 2015, 09:35:45 PM
Here's what Gareth Southgate had to say http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3222374/Gareth-Southgate-trusts-Manchester-United-develop-James-Wilson-England-21s-boss-hails-Saido-Berahino-potential.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 04, 2015, 09:38:20 PM
Here's what Gareth Southgate had to say http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3222374/Gareth-Southgate-trusts-Manchester-United-develop-James-Wilson-England-21s-boss-hails-Saido-Berahino-potential.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

I.e, not a lot!

Berahino appeared to suggest via social media he would not play for the club again after the Baggies denied him a deadline-day move to Tottenham.

'You speak as you find people and Saido was super for us,' he added.

'We enjoyed his personality and his football for us. He has a lot of potential.

'I'm sure he will sort things out with West Brom, I'm sure he will play for Tony and get on with him.'
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: macc_baggie on September 04, 2015, 10:41:57 PM
were on here as anyone said he owes us more than any other of our kids who have come through the ranks? i havent seen it. he is an ungrateful little git and i would feel the same about any other player coming through the ranks if they behaved the way he has. he as a privileged lifestyle and just abuses the people who have given him that lifestyle.

There were  few comments that related that with his unbringing in Burundi and escape from the civil war there, that suggested that because of that he owes us more than usual.

I don't disagree for a second that he's behaviour is a big middle finger up at a club that have supported him from a young age. I just feel it shouldn't be related to anything other than him being a bit of a n*b, rather than his background.

I think everyone on here can agree that his actions are reprehensible.

some of us don't see it like that .lets go to basics . This lad has been at the Albion 11 years . This is his 3rd full seasonin the first team so his career is in its enfancy . For the first 8 years of being with us I would say a lot of time and input has gone in from the club . Since he has made the big time his antics have been of a spoilt brat . There were problems when he was loaned out , we had the stupid laughing gas incident and then of course his drink driving conviction . He's been on the naughty step last year and there are rumours that he ain't all that well liked in the dressing room , particularly from the senior players there . So all in all this spoiled brat does owe the club , because in any other profession he would have had the sack .

I agree in any other profession he would have (or at least should have) had the sack by now. Sadly professional football is a different kettle of fish - the value of players as liquid assets is too high to be able to sack them and treat them like you or I would be in the workplace (Anelka is a bit of an exception for being mind bendingly stupid).

Sadly it's a business now, players are treated like assets, and thus a lot of them probably have less attachments to the club as they might have 15-20 years ago. Changing times changing attitudes, and not really for the better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on September 04, 2015, 10:58:03 PM
Odemwingie, Anelka and Berahino - we are masters of signing prats of the first order. Poor JP has had a lot of sh.t. to sort out. No wonder he spends so much time abroad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 04, 2015, 11:15:58 PM
Odemwingie, Anelka and Berahino - we are masters of signing prats of the first order. Poor JP has had a lot of sh.t. to sort out. No wonder he spends so much time abroad.
Pete got three against the dingles and represented a great return on what we paid
Anelka was world class
Said one cost nowt, scored loads and will return a min of 15-20m profit

We ain't done to bad
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BRIAN on September 05, 2015, 12:03:07 AM
I would let Pulis try and reason with him. He is too valuable to throw into the reserves etc. We can sort him out without some of the suggestions mentioned. He will know how stupid he has been a d hopefully will buckle down and continue with WBA. There is no point in throwing a good player on the scrapheap, so let's get his mind back on track so that he can be the player we know he can be. When he returns to 1st team duty please don't  treat him like someone who has killed someone. He is human after all. Has anyone found out when he was pictured in that plane, if it was a plane?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on September 05, 2015, 12:18:19 AM
Pete got three against the dingles and represented a great return on what we paid
Anelka was world class
Said one cost nowt, scored loads and will return a min of 15-20m profit

We ain't done to bad
Anelka world class? was he?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on September 05, 2015, 12:22:05 AM
I would let Pulis try and reason with him. He is too valuable to throw into the reserves etc. We can sort him out without some of the suggestions mentioned. He will know how stupid he has been a d hopefully will buckle down and continue with WBA. There is no point in throwing a good player on the scrapheap, so let's get his mind back on track so that he can be the player we know he can be. When he returns to 1st team duty please don't  treat him like someone who has killed someone. He is human after all. Has anyone found out when he was pictured in that plane, if it was a plane?
doesn't deserve to be sorted out he is a tw!t end of! well he does deserve to be sorted out but not the way you mean!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 05, 2015, 12:25:44 AM
Too much vitriol.
Let the process through management sort him out.
If, as we all can see he is too far up himself, he should be made aware that he is only worth 5 million a year according to his "hero" Levy.
Then he will be sent down the road of "past it" footballers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on September 05, 2015, 01:59:42 AM
I think the real thing that separates Saido from the aforementioned players is....I believe that his antics have cut deeper into the flesh of Albion supporters that any other. We all bought into his 'story' and the struggles both he and family have faced, and were (to some extent) proud that the 'Albion family' have nurtured him and evolved his talents and were proud to call him 'one of us'. His plane photo just finally hit home just what a little prick he is. I'm certainly not in the deluded bracket - and appreciate we may well get a substantial sum when he leaves....it's just such a shame it will be with a sour taste in our mouths. I don't think it is unfair to say that his actions (understandably) will be regarded as treacherous towards the fans that spent so much energy and time in supporting him. I just think he's a jumped up little crunt, and the sooner we get a few goals out of him, smile and patronise him, then get shot in the Jan window the better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 05, 2015, 06:09:42 AM
Anelka world class? was he?

Not when he was here he wasn't.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 05, 2015, 07:15:44 AM
Odemwingie, Anelka and Berahino - we are masters of signing prats of the first order. Poor JP has had a lot of sh.t. to sort out. No wonder he spends so much time abroad.
What do these three have in common in their backgrounds that made them turn into first class, classless, ars*holes?
Just asking like
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 05, 2015, 08:16:33 AM
Too much vitriol.
Let the process through management sort him out.
If, as we all can see he is too far up himself, he should be made aware that he is only worth 5 million a year according to his "hero" Levy.
Then he will be sent down the road of "past it" footballers.

Spurs were willing to pay Berahino £100k a weeek? No wonder he went balistic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 05, 2015, 08:38:27 AM
Spurs were willing to pay Berahino £100k a weeek? No wonder he went balistic.

What's that got to do with it?
He signed a contract at the Albion for whatever he was on a week.
If he or his advisers were unhappy with the contract they shouldn't have signed it.
About time somebody stood up to these primadonas, there's rules in life for them as well as us mortals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: apple on September 05, 2015, 08:59:44 AM
   This whole fiasco has been underhandedly conducted by spurs from the start. lt was common knowledge that they were after him about 2mths ago,yet a bid was not recieved until 10days before the window was shutting
   As he is under contract to us, and the bids were turned down, it is surely illegal for them to have offered him anything, tottenham should be bought to book if that is the case, yet l doubt they will.
   Personally, l think it is going to be impossible to sort this mess out amicably, as l cant see the supporters ever forgiving him, l think he has to go ASAP.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 05, 2015, 09:02:08 AM
I still don't think he is going to play. He might be a great finisher and is working hard on his all round game but where does he fit into the way (we suspect) Pulis is going to play? In my opinion, we are likely to set up defensively with Rondon a lone striker, Lambert will feed off him if he chooses to play two up front and we have Gnarby/McManaman/McClean wide. Pulis doesn't suffer idiots lightly, preferring disciplined professionals and a good team ethic. Berahino might find himself lucky to make appearances off the bench.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 05, 2015, 09:16:01 AM
What's that got to do with it?
He signed a contract at the Albion for whatever he was on a week.
If he or his advisers were unhappy with the contract they shouldn't have signed it.
About time somebody stood up to these primadonas, there's rules in life for them as well as us mortals.

I was being flippant, but........

FC's put players on contracts not only to give the player some security, but also to give the player a value. Berahino's current contract is allegedly £14,000 per week until July 1st 2017. As someone else has said, the players are considered assets of the FC, & it appears that WBAFC capitalize the players wages, and then write down the value over the period of the contract, For example if we give a player a contract worth £40k per week over a 4 year period, the player is worth £8million the first year, £6million the second year and so on.
Based on Berahino's current contract, his value is about £1.4million, however, we were allegedly about to offer him an improved contract, which would probably been equivalant to the Spurs offer, which I understood was around £50k per week & I guess they would have offered him a 4 year deal. So that would have put his value at around £10million. Obviously, these figures only represent the values a buying club would have to pay to buy out the contract, the selling club would add additional values to the transfer fee, depending on "market forces".
Sorry it's a bit long winded, but I just wanted to demonstrate that your argument of a player seeing out his contract just doesn't hold water, if it suits the club to sell it will. It just didn't suit WBAFC to sell at this time, wether, it was the correct decision remains to be seen.

As far as Berahino is concerned, he's not going to be bothered about how much his transfer fee is, but if he can see an increase in wages from £14k per week to £50k per week he's going to want a piece of the action, & I can see why he went into a strop. Personally, I think he went about it totally the wrong way, & caused himself and the FC more problems that it solved.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 05, 2015, 09:21:08 AM
I still don't think he is going to play. He might be a great finisher and is working hard on his all round game but where does he fit into the way (we suspect) Pulis is going to play? In my opinion, we are likely to set up defensively with Rondon a lone striker, Lambert will feed off him if he chooses to play two up front and we have Gnarby/McManaman/McClean wide. Pulis doesn't suffer idiots lightly, preferring disciplined professionals and a good team ethic. Berahino might find himself lucky to make appearances off the bench.


Take all that on board, but if WBA freeze him out, we're not going to sell him. It's my bet that WBA will do everything they can to protect the integrity of the Chairman.
I can't see us getting £25million for him now anyway, but we have to get a deal that's seen as a win for the Chairman
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mo on September 05, 2015, 09:39:19 AM
Am I the only one to feel sorry for poor Saido and all the stick he's getting?  :(

We need to support him I feel, this is a tough time for the kid. He's been excellent for us the past year, let's not forget that. Pulis will sit him down and get him back on board.

This must be a wind up surely ?

I didn't like Berahino the person anyway now I cannot bear to look at him. Can't think of too many players I can say that about in going up there for 30 years.

This has nothing to do with money for me now it's the principle. I will take a very dim view of it if we integrate him back into the squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on September 05, 2015, 09:56:48 AM
What are the odds of him signing a new and improved contract in a few weeks /months time?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on September 05, 2015, 09:57:44 AM
I can't see him ever playing for us again, how must the players feel?

I was saying yesterday i fear for his safety if he is seen out and about.
Ok he had set his heart on a move, but everyone has disappointments in life and they get over them. His move will come eventually.
But to do what he did in the first instance was totally naive and unjustified, he behave like a small child who dropped an ice cream.
What he did after on the jet was nasty and  calculated to alienate him from the club and fans even more. What does he think it is going to achieve? If he doesn't play for us he doesn't play for anyone.

He wasn't at the front of the queue when they gave the brains out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on September 05, 2015, 09:59:33 AM
I would let Pulis try and reason with him. He is too valuable to throw into the reserves etc. We can sort him out without some of the suggestions mentioned. He will know how stupid he has been a d hopefully will buckle down and continue with WBA. There is no point in throwing a good player on the scrapheap, so let's get his mind back on track so that he can be the player we know he can be. When he returns to 1st team duty please don't  treat him like someone who has killed someone. He is human after all. Has anyone found out when he was pictured in that plane, if it was a plane?

Maybe Pulis can be good cop to Peace's bad cop, but I really hope we can manage without him.  Having said that, even if its off the bench he can help get us points, but we really do need to sell him in Jan.  Unforunately, Spurs/whoever will be aware of this.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 05, 2015, 10:06:25 AM
I think we all know that if we are going to get real money for SB then he needs to play again, and give it a week or two there will be a big love in, a few carefully worded statements from both the club and his mum, and he will play for us again..........

Personally I am surprised he didn't do an Odemwonga and drive down to White Tart lane on deadline day...... oh wait a minute, he's banned for drink driving!

Silly me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 05, 2015, 10:43:19 AM

Personally I am surprised he didn't do an Odemwonga and drive down to White Tart lane on deadline day...... oh wait a minute, he's banned for drink driving!


He really is a prat of a person isn't he? It's not like my vitriol against him is revenge for "hurting" Albion, he's done about 5 things that make him a prat and he's only just turned 22.

We really do need rid of him, it's a huge shame Spurs didn't offer £30mill max, full of incentives and £10m upfront. Then we'd have saved face and sold him, everyone wins.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 05, 2015, 10:55:12 AM
He really is a prat of a person isn't he? It's not like my vitriol against him is revenge for "hurting" Albion, he's done about 5 things that make him a prat and he's only just turned 22.

We really do need rid of him, it's a huge shame Spurs didn't offer £30mill max, full of incentives and £10m upfront. Then we'd have saved face and sold him, everyone wins.

Agreed

I suspect the fact that he is banned is the only thing that stopped him driving down there TBH......his mum could have taken him I guess  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 05, 2015, 11:23:02 AM
Am I the only one to feel sorry for poor Saido and all the stick he's getting?  :(

We need to support him I feel, this is a tough time for the kid. He's been excellent for us the past year, let's not forget that. Pulis will sit him down and get him back on board.

Defo a wind up or a touch of insanity  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 05, 2015, 11:28:13 AM
Why the sarcasm about Berahino's Mum?

When Berahino had the meeting with JP, it's likely that JP would have invited him to bring a witness to the proceedings, as he doesn't have an agent looking after his interests at the moment, wouldn't his Mum be the obvious choice?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 05, 2015, 11:30:28 AM
What are the odds of him signing a new and improved contract in a few weeks /months time?

Its what I expect, 3-4 year deal with a release clause of £25-30 million.

Its fairly obvious now that Berahino had his heart set on a move to Spurs since he got the new agent, he will go in the next 12 months, we just now need to get best value out of the little runt in terms of goals and money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 05, 2015, 11:33:11 AM
Why the sarcasm about Berahino's Mum?

When Berahino had the meeting with JP, it's likely that JP would have invited him to bring a witness to the proceedings, as he doesn't have an agent looking after his interests at the moment, wouldn't his Mum be the obvious choice?

He does have an agent, he got rid of Aidy Ward and now has the Stellar Group looking after him. I don't know why so many assume he hasn't had any representation all summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 05, 2015, 11:38:25 AM
Its what I expect, 3-4 year deal with a release clause of £25-30 million.

Its fairly obvious now that Berahino had his heart set on a move to Spurs since he got the new agent, he will go in the next 12 months, we just now need to get best value out of the little runt in terms of goals and money.

Agree with that. All parties need this for the happy ending.

His mum will be happy too ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 05, 2015, 11:38:59 AM
Its what I expect, 3-4 year deal with a release clause of £25-30 million.

Its fairly obvious now that Berahino had his heart set on a move to Spurs since he got the new agent, he will go in the next 12 months, we just now need to get best value out of the little runt in terms of goals and money.

To be honest, it's essential, we're far too vulnerable at the moment, if his alleged wages of £14k per week are correct.
If we can put him on a contract worth about £40-50k per week, it would almost eliminate an offer for more money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on September 05, 2015, 12:58:26 PM
Its what I expect, 3-4 year deal with a release clause of £25-30 million.

Its fairly obvious now that Berahino had his heart set on a move to Spurs since he got the new agent, he will go in the next 12 months, we just now need to get best value out of the little runt in terms of goals and money.

I don't think he will sign a new deal now. If no clubs were willing to pay £25m in the summer window I can't see them offering that much in January.

If somebody offers £18-20m with the majority coming up front I can see the club accepting.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 05, 2015, 01:09:46 PM
I don't think he will sign a new deal now. If no clubs were willing to pay £25m in the summer window I can't see them offering that much in January.

If somebody offers £18-20m with the majority coming up front I can see the club accepting.
Depends on what his "performance" on the pitch is like from now on?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 05, 2015, 01:11:07 PM
Can't see him signing a new deal and I ain't fussed, Get him out of the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 05, 2015, 01:14:26 PM

Take all that on board, but if WBA freeze him out, we're not going to sell him. It's my bet that WBA will do everything they can to protect the integrity of the Chairman.
I can't see us getting £25million for him now anyway, but we have to get a deal that's seen as a win for the Chairman
Good players will be sold even when not playing or on form.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 1954 on September 05, 2015, 02:22:29 PM
I was being flippant, but........

FC's put players on contracts not only to give the player some security, but also to give the player a value. Berahino's current contract is allegedly £14,000 per week until July 1st 2017. As someone else has said, the players are considered assets of the FC, & it appears that WBAFC capitalize the players wages, and then write down the value over the period of the contract, For example if we give a player a contract worth £40k per week over a 4 year period, the player is worth £8million the first year, £6million the second year and so on.
Based on Berahino's current contract, his value is about £1.4million, however, we were allegedly about to offer him an improved contract, which would probably been equivalant to the Spurs offer, which I understood was around £50k per week & I guess they would have offered him a 4 year deal. So that would have put his value at around £10million. Obviously, these figures only represent the values a buying club would have to pay to buy out the contract, the selling club would add additional values to the transfer fee, depending on "market forces".
Sorry it's a bit long winded, but I just wanted to demonstrate that your argument of a player seeing out his contract just doesn't hold water, if it suits the club to sell it will. It just didn't suit WBAFC to sell at this time, wether, it was the correct decision remains to be seen.

As far as Berahino is concerned, he's not going to be bothered about how much his transfer fee is, but if he can see an increase in wages from £14k per week to £50k per week he's going to want a piece of the action, & I can see why he went into a strop. Personally, I think he went about it totally the wrong way, & caused himself and the FC more problems that it solved.
I don't think wbafc capitalise player's wages. I believe the club only capitalise the transfer fees of the players they buy e.g. if a player is bought for £8m on a 4 year contract the £8m is written off in the Profit & Loss Account at £2m per year. If a player is signed on a free transfer nothing is capitalised
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on September 05, 2015, 05:58:07 PM
He's back on Monday..i wonder if his mom will be in the office with him when Pulis tears him a new one!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 05, 2015, 06:25:36 PM
He's back on Monday..i wonder if his mom will be in the office with him when Pulis tears him a new one!
Does not need that.Needs pointing out in a calm way he needs to get his head sorted and performances on pitch on an upward plane as he is going nowhere for 2 years.
His choices are.
1.He does it on £14k a week performs or gets stuck in the reserves.
2.He signs a new contract on £40k a week with a release clause.
Only problem with the latter is if he signs and plays like an ass.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 05, 2015, 07:38:24 PM
Does not need that.Needs pointing out in a calm way he needs to get his head sorted and performances on pitch on an upward plane as he is going nowhere for 2 years.
His choices are.
1.He does it on £14k a week performs or gets stuck in the reserves.
2.He signs a new contract on £40k a week with a release clause.
Only problem with the latter is if he signs and plays like an ass.

He wont get the move,obviously.
No-one wants to hire a slacker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 05, 2015, 07:39:57 PM
Does not need that.Needs pointing out in a calm way he needs to get his head sorted and performances on pitch on an upward plane as he is going nowhere for 2 years.
His choices are.
1.He does it on £14k a week performs or gets stuck in the reserves.
2.He signs a new contract on £40k a week with a release clause.
Only problem with the latter is if he signs and plays like an ass.

The stupid tweet and recent unbalanced behaviour doesn't exactly strengthen Saido's bargaining position does it. Who would trust him now?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on September 05, 2015, 07:41:40 PM
Does not need that.Needs pointing out in a calm way he needs to get his head sorted and performances on pitch on an upward plane as he is going nowhere for 2 years.
His choices are.
1.He does it on £14k a week performs or gets stuck in the reserves.
2.He signs a new contract on £40k a week with a release clause.
Only problem with the latter is if he signs and plays like an ass.

That's his Catch 22
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 05, 2015, 08:10:59 PM
Then 1. is best let him rot.In 2 years he will be worth feck all but then he was when he came.
Awful man terrible attitude not worth a light.

At the hospital I work at I asked a fellow worker about a "volunteer".They wear red shirts,he is there all day meal times serving patients.
I asked who is this Gentleman.
Told the hospital put him right and wanted to give something back.
Not paid goes in and does it 5 days a week.
Just saying.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 05, 2015, 08:49:59 PM
I don't think wbafc capitalise player's wages. I believe the club only capitalise the transfer fees of the players they buy e.g. if a player is bought for £8m on a 4 year contract the £8m is written off in the Profit & Loss Account at £2m per year. If a player is signed on a free transfer nothing is capitalised

The transfer fee, as you rightly say is amortised over the duration of the contract. As far as I know, wages have to be identified separately, by player, under the FC's obligations to meet the FFP conditions, & are not listed under "expenses" as they would be in "normal" businesses.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 05, 2015, 08:52:09 PM
Does not need that.Needs pointing out in a calm way he needs to get his head sorted and performances on pitch on an upward plane as he is going nowhere for 2 years.
His choices are.
1.He does it on £14k a week performs or gets stuck in the reserves.
2.He signs a new contract on £40k a week with a release clause.
Only problem with the latter is if he signs and plays like an ass.

I would hate it if we were to reward him with a new deal given his petulant behaviour.

What sort of message does that send out?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on September 05, 2015, 09:22:42 PM
Then 1. is best let him rot.In 2 years he will be worth feck all but then he was when he came.
Awful man terrible attitude not worth a light.

At the hospital I work at I asked a fellow worker about a "volunteer".They wear red shirts,he is there all day meal times serving patients.
I asked who is this Gentleman.
Told the hospital put him right and wanted to give something back.
Not paid goes in and does it 5 days a week.
Just saying.

Having been engaged in volunteer work myself over the past ten years or more I have come to the following conclusion. Who is it that benefits from such virtuous behaviour? The answer is the agency that doesn't employ them! Also, many of the people working in this environment of slave labour are not of white Anglo Saxon decent.

The way to show gratitude to people who actually give a damn is to give a damn yourself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 05, 2015, 09:24:53 PM
I would hate it if we were to reward him with a new deal given his petulant behaviour.

What sort of message does that send out?
I agree Liam.
I would do option 1 and see how how he does? At the end of I want best for WBA as you.
Another Luke Moore ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 05, 2015, 09:32:28 PM
I agree Liam.
I would do option 1 and see how how he does? At the end of I want best for WBA as you.
Another Luke Moore ?

In fairness I think he has the hard work and ability that Luke Moore didn't have.

No doubting that Berahino works hard to improve his game

he's just a complete and utter ****
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 05, 2015, 09:34:48 PM
Having been engaged in volunteer work myself over the past ten years or more I have come to the following conclusion. Who is it that benefits from such virtuous behaviour? The answer is the agency that doesn't employ them! Also, many of the people working in this environment of slave labour are not of white Anglo Saxon decent.

The way to show gratitude to people who actually give a damn is to give a damn yourself.
Ten years St John
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 05, 2015, 09:36:30 PM
In fairness I think he has the hard work and ability that Luke Moore didn't have.

No doubting that Berahino works hard to improve his game

he's just a complete and utter ****
To himself as us! He needs to work as others before him have done.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yamaka on September 05, 2015, 09:45:01 PM
Ten years St John
I knew there was a reason I had time for you  ;) I take it that you get my point then.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 05, 2015, 09:51:13 PM
I knew there was a reason I had time for you  ;) I take it that you get my point then.
Yes.There should not have been a need for me.
An the upside it added to my CV
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 05, 2015, 09:58:20 PM
Anelka world class? was he?
Without doubt, Real Madrid , Liverpool, Man City , arsenal, add up the transfer fees etc.
The guy was a world class footballer, he declined due to non football reasons, a bit like hoddle
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on September 05, 2015, 11:00:09 PM
utter disgrace if we offer him a new deal and pay rise...instead of giving him extra time off he should have been in for training on his own and shown whos boss
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mrmojorisin on September 06, 2015, 02:15:05 AM
Give him anew contract increasing wages to £50k a week.  Then next time he does something stupid and gets fined a couple of weeks wages it will cost him more  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on September 06, 2015, 07:56:31 AM
Sensible idea to give him the new contract, would prefer a £30 mill release clause but he probably wouldn't sign it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on September 06, 2015, 08:20:37 AM
Does it not strike anyone else as ridiculous, all this talk of paying him more?

To begin with, he is  merely a moderately talented footballer with an eye for a goal, but Christ alive you would imagine he was the next Messi the way the lad regards himself.

Secondly, he is already receiving something like £60k per month. Think about that for a moment. A moderately talented 21 year old being paid £60k per month and feeling entitled not only to more but also to insult his employers and those who pay to watch him ply his trade.

This foolish young man has chosen to walk the path trodden by Odemwingie, he has made that choice fully aware of the outcome that PO got. A sideways move and a dead end career awaits. Berahino has chosen that because he cares nothing for Albion, he cares nothing for his team mates, he cares nothing for the supporters who idolise him. He only cares about the filthy lucre. He is giving a very good impression of being a grasping, greedy, selfish buffoon.

I have stood and sung his name, I have cheered him and urged him on, and he has repaid my faith and loyalty by shoving it back down my throat.

No more for me. Yesterday I was at Stourbridge watching rugby with my grand daughter. That will be my Saturday sport fix going forward. Berahino has put the final nail in the coffin of my love for football. He will never stop me loving Albion but the Albion I love has gone, vanished under a mountain of money and the game it seems is now played by spoilt ungrateful young men with absolutely no grasp of real, normal life.

Berahino bleats about how horrid his employer is to him, and then two days later tweets a picture of himself sitting aboard a hired private jet en route to the south of France for a little holiday. I fly economy myself when I can afford it. I work around 55 hours a week and earn less in a year than poor Saido does in a month. How many of you earn more a year than he does a month? How many of you hire jets when you fancy a quick trip to the Med?

Football has elevated itself into a ridiculous, meaningless stratosphere of financial stupidity. For some reason that now totally baffles me we, the supporters, buy into the idea that the game is important and that the idiots that play it are somehow significant. It isn't important, and turds like Berahino could hardly be less significant.

I'm opting out of the collective fantasy. Cheers Saido, you've done what a succession of women failed to do, ended my romance with football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 06, 2015, 08:23:33 AM
utter disgrace if we offer him a new deal and pay rise...instead of giving him extra time off he should have been in for training on his own and shown whos boss

I agree with your sentiments, but we need to be pragmatic and maximise the chances of him leaving in January for a fair price in the best interests of the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on September 06, 2015, 08:29:19 AM
I would be very reluctant to give him a new contract with bigger wages and even a release clause at the moment.

From his words (interview earlier this year when he told of his ambitions - dont have no issue with that) to his then stupid actions with his tweet, he is a loose cannon and i dont think you can trust him.

If we give him a new contract now and a £30m release clause, god knows what the extra wages will do to his ego, but also some club has to meet that release clause. Saido has just had a decent season, he is young, english and scores goals but only 1 club made any sort of effort to get him and they were hardly desperate too if the size of their offers are anything to go by. None of the big clubs came in for him and just a hunch but i would think his attitude may be part of that, the last weeks actions will of done nothing to change that opinion either.

On the playing side, i think even if he does play he wont get anywhere near last seasons goals because he wont be played as a out and out striker, he will be a wide man so his value will drop there too.

If Pulis wants his to play, i  would say work your balls off, get back into the team, and make a gentlemans agreement come January that for say £20 - £25m if somebody offers it, you can go. Sadly i think Saido is still a very immature kid and if he does play i wouldnt be surprised if he didnt try as hard as he should or plays for himself, at that point your left with a big earner on a long contract who nobody wants, its rewarding him for being a p***k.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 06, 2015, 08:38:02 AM
Does it not strike anyone else as ridiculous, all this talk of paying him more?

To begin with, he is  merely a moderately talented footballer with an eye for a goal, but Christ alive you would imagine he was the next Messi the way the lad regards himself.

Secondly, he is already receiving something like £60k per month. Think about that for a moment. A moderately talented 21 year old being paid £60k per month and feeling entitled not only to more but also to insult his employers and those who pay to watch him ply his trade.

This foolish young man has chosen to walk the path trodden by Odemwingie, he has made that choice fully aware of the outcome that PO got. A sideways move and a dead end career awaits. Berahino has chosen that because he cares nothing for Albion, he cares nothing for his team mates, he cares nothing for the supporters who idolise him. He only cares about the filthy lucre. He is giving a very good impression of being a grasping, greedy, selfish buffoon.

I have stood and sung his name, I have cheered him and urged him on, and he has repaid my faith and loyalty by shoving it back down my throat.

No more for me. Yesterday I was at Stourbridge watching rugby with my grand daughter. That will be my Saturday sport fix going forward. Berahino has put the final nail in the coffin of my love for football. He will never stop me loving Albion but the Albion I love has gone, vanished under a mountain of money and the game it seems is now played by spoilt ungrateful young men with absolutely no grasp of real, normal life.

Berahino bleats about how horrid his employer is to him, and then two days later tweets a picture of himself sitting aboard a hired private jet en route to the south of France for a little holiday. I fly economy myself when I can afford it. I work around 55 hours a week and earn less in a year than poor Saido does in a month. How many of you earn more a year than he does a month? How many of you hire jets when you fancy a quick trip to the Med?

Football has elevated itself into a ridiculous, meaningless stratosphere of financial stupidity. For some reason that now totally baffles me we, the supporters, buy into the idea that the game is important and that the idiots that play it are somehow significant. It isn't important, and turds like Berahino could hardly be less significant.

I'm opting out of the collective fantasy. Cheers Saido, you've done what a succession of women failed to do, ended my romance with football.

What an excellent post, couldn't agree more (except the Rugby bit  ;) )
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 06, 2015, 08:39:02 AM
JP has shown again he is no fool , any contract would be stacked in our favour and offered for good reason.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 06, 2015, 08:40:02 AM
Does it not strike anyone else as ridiculous, all this talk of paying him more?

To begin with, he is  merely a moderately talented footballer with an eye for a goal, but Christ alive you would imagine he was the next Messi the way the lad regards himself.

Secondly, he is already receiving something like £60k per month. Think about that for a moment. A moderately talented 21 year old being paid £60k per month and feeling entitled not only to more but also to insult his employers and those who pay to watch him ply his trade.

This foolish young man has chosen to walk the path trodden by Odemwingie, he has made that choice fully aware of the outcome that PO got. A sideways move and a dead end career awaits. Berahino has chosen that because he cares nothing for Albion, he cares nothing for his team mates, he cares nothing for the supporters who idolise him. He only cares about the filthy lucre. He is giving a very good impression of being a grasping, greedy, selfish buffoon.

I have stood and sung his name, I have cheered him and urged him on, and he has repaid my faith and loyalty by shoving it back down my throat.

No more for me. Yesterday I was at Stourbridge watching rugby with my grand daughter. That will be my Saturday sport fix going forward. Berahino has put the final nail in the coffin of my love for football. He will never stop me loving Albion but the Albion I love has gone, vanished under a mountain of money and the game it seems is now played by spoilt ungrateful young men with absolutely no grasp of real, normal life.

Berahino bleats about how horrid his employer is to him, and then two days later tweets a picture of himself sitting aboard a hired private jet en route to the south of France for a little holiday. I fly economy myself when I can afford it. I work around 55 hours a week and earn less in a year than poor Saido does in a month. How many of you earn more a year than he does a month? How many of you hire jets when you fancy a quick trip to the Med?

Football has elevated itself into a ridiculous, meaningless stratosphere of financial stupidity. For some reason that now totally baffles me we, the supporters, buy into the idea that the game is important and that the idiots that play it are somehow significant. It isn't important, and turds like Berahino could hardly be less significant.

I'm opting out of the collective fantasy. Cheers Saido, you've done what a succession of women failed to do, ended my romance with football.
Come on Chipper, please do note let this little scrote tarnish your love for the Baggies. In any collective there are bad apples, but we do have a core of decent honest players. You and I have seen quite a few undesirables turn up over the years, but we have come this far, and as always we have one or two in the dressing room who will "get his head on straight". Hopefully he will be gone in January, and Nabi will be given an opportunity in his place.In the meantime if your head is not for turning, get yourself down to D-K.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on September 06, 2015, 08:45:05 AM
Does it not strike anyone else as ridiculous, all this talk of paying him more?

To begin with, he is  merely a moderately talented footballer with an eye for a goal, but Christ alive you would imagine he was the next Messi the way the lad regards himself.

Secondly, he is already receiving something like £60k per month. Think about that for a moment. A moderately talented 21 year old being paid £60k per month and feeling entitled not only to more but also to insult his employers and those who pay to watch him ply his trade.

This foolish young man has chosen to walk the path trodden by Odemwingie, he has made that choice fully aware of the outcome that PO got. A sideways move and a dead end career awaits. Berahino has chosen that because he cares nothing for Albion, he cares nothing for his team mates, he cares nothing for the supporters who idolise him. He only cares about the filthy lucre. He is giving a very good impression of being a grasping, greedy, selfish buffoon.

I have stood and sung his name, I have cheered him and urged him on, and he has repaid my faith and loyalty by shoving it back down my throat.

No more for me. Yesterday I was at Stourbridge watching rugby with my grand daughter. That will be my Saturday sport fix going forward. Berahino has put the final nail in the coffin of my love for football. He will never stop me loving Albion but the Albion I love has gone, vanished under a mountain of money and the game it seems is now played by spoilt ungrateful young men with absolutely no grasp of real, normal life.

Berahino bleats about how horrid his employer is to him, and then two days later tweets a picture of himself sitting aboard a hired private jet en route to the south of France for a little holiday. I fly economy myself when I can afford it. I work around 55 hours a week and earn less in a year than poor Saido does in a month. How many of you earn more a year than he does a month? How many of you hire jets when you fancy a quick trip to the Med?

Football has elevated itself into a ridiculous, meaningless stratosphere of financial stupidity. For some reason that now totally baffles me we, the supporters, buy into the idea that the game is important and that the idiots that play it are somehow significant. It isn't important, and turds like Berahino could hardly be less significant.

I'm opting out of the collective fantasy. Cheers Saido, you've done what a succession of women failed to do, ended my romance with football.

Magnificent post, this is exactly how I feel after yesteryear's of watching truly great players at The Hawthorns with loyalty and love for the club, players such as Tony Brown, who this money grabbing one season wonder cannot hold a candle to. Like you this has destroyed my love of the game that I have watched for over 50 years. I will always love my club, West Bromwich Albion but I feel that if I go to support them with Berahino still at the club I will be betraying my true feelings. So I am going to watch some grass roots football and rugby, played still by people who love the game. Also we have a young grandson so we will be spending more Saturday afternoons with him rather than wasting time and money going to support a mercenary who only cares about himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on September 06, 2015, 08:53:59 AM
To be honest Berahino means nothing to me now. How ever the club can benefit at his expense all the better. he has talent but he's a loser given that he will achieve far less than what his natural ability suggests that he should.

I'm on the clubs side on this one, do what is best for West Bromwich Albion. naughty word Berahinho I don't care if he's begging on the streets. He's an immature, twonk to put it bluntly and however many do-gooders can try and help him, fine. For me he's been given a fantastic opportunity in life but he's too stupid to take it - his fault, his look out - **** him!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 06, 2015, 09:20:57 AM
I agree with your sentiments, but we need to be pragmatic and maximise the chances of him leaving in January for a fair price in the best interests of the club.

Agree 100%, if we "let him rot", we may as well have taken Spurs offer, we would have got £20 odd million over time.

Problem is, it does give the message that he was rewarded for bad behaviour.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 06, 2015, 10:08:18 AM
Does it not strike anyone else as ridiculous, all this talk of paying him more?

To begin with, he is  merely a moderately talented footballer with an eye for a goal, but Christ alive you would imagine he was the next Messi the way the lad regards himself.

Secondly, he is already receiving something like £60k per month. Think about that for a moment. A moderately talented 21 year old being paid £60k per month and feeling entitled not only to more but also to insult his employers and those who pay to watch him ply his trade.

This foolish young man has chosen to walk the path trodden by Odemwingie, he has made that choice fully aware of the outcome that PO got. A sideways move and a dead end career awaits. Berahino has chosen that because he cares nothing for Albion, he cares nothing for his team mates, he cares nothing for the supporters who idolise him. He only cares about the filthy lucre. He is giving a very good impression of being a grasping, greedy, selfish buffoon.

I have stood and sung his name, I have cheered him and urged him on, and he has repaid my faith and loyalty by shoving it back down my throat.

No more for me. Yesterday I was at Stourbridge watching rugby with my grand daughter. That will be my Saturday sport fix going forward. Berahino has put the final nail in the coffin of my love for football. He will never stop me loving Albion but the Albion I love has gone, vanished under a mountain of money and the game it seems is now played by spoilt ungrateful young men with absolutely no grasp of real, normal life.

Berahino bleats about how horrid his employer is to him, and then two days later tweets a picture of himself sitting aboard a hired private jet en route to the south of France for a little holiday. I fly economy myself when I can afford it. I work around 55 hours a week and earn less in a year than poor Saido does in a month. How many of you earn more a year than he does a month? How many of you hire jets when you fancy a quick trip to the Med?

Football has elevated itself into a ridiculous, meaningless stratosphere of financial stupidity. For some reason that now totally baffles me we, the supporters, buy into the idea that the game is important and that the idiots that play it are somehow significant. It isn't important, and turds like Berahino could hardly be less significant.

I'm opting out of the collective fantasy. Cheers Saido, you've done what a succession of women failed to do, ended my romance with football.

An excellent post. The game has gone (and been gone for a while). The discussions about style and this manager and that manager and success or failure that litter this forum generally boil down to whether you accept the poor state that football has got itself into. I used to enjoy going to football as a social occasion where I could get behind a group of blokes who meant something to me and were generally proud to represent an area of the community. The football itself wasn't too important and it didn't matter if they won or lost so long as it remained enjoyable (although winning was more fun) and even when they did lose you could be proud of the effort that was put in.

We have a forum on the Calais Crisis where people are suggesting that we can not provide the resource to support people fleeing persecution and death but yet we are happy to support paying footballers £60k+ a week to kick a bag of air around in the name of West Bromwich Albion. Seems screwed up somewhere?

There are good characters in the game and I am aware of many who,  quietly,  do lots of charity work and support their communities  (without being led by their clubs) so I do still have some faith but I'd feel better as a supporter of West Brom if we took a stand against scroats like Berahino. Might be a case of biting of your nose to spite your face because some less morally scrupulous team will take him on but I'd hang him out to dry.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: slate on September 06, 2015, 10:20:12 AM
Excellent post Chipper. You've just written down exactly what is in my head. You just missed the monkeys clapping cymbals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 06, 2015, 10:44:10 AM
Personally I see him as an asset of the club, and I will leave it in JP's hands to use and abuse him as he see's fit in order to maximise the return on the ungrateful little scrote.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 06, 2015, 10:58:09 AM
I think one of the worst things is the fact most of would have happy and pleased to see him  go on to higher things next season after hopefully having another good 9 months with us , in fact if he had kept quiet after Spurs failed bids im sure he would still have had good will with us.
I understand his frustration not that I ever thought Spurs were the right club for him or that he was ready to move, I  personally don't band him with Odemwingie as he was older and left several clubs under a cloud....,.Saido's just a naive daft product of modern day football and i think his only saving grace is most of us already knew that and at the end of the day he is one of our own....stupid , arrogant but still one of our own.
Booing him will get us nowhere , I can't say I will be supporting him but if he does well then the club does too and he most likely goes for a good fee in Jan or the Summer.
A common sense approach is needed from all , the only person he has damaged is himself....lets face it going to the Euros look distant now for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 06, 2015, 11:20:27 AM
Football is business. A club like ours just has to patch up and maximise our return on Saido....surely we want to be able to strengthen the squad and club further once he's gone ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BRIAN on September 06, 2015, 11:33:52 AM
All members who post blaming the modern attitudes of players and the style of football played should look at themselves and answer this question. Do you subscribe to SKY or any other money making broadcasters? If so, you have only yourselves to blame. SKY has ruined all sport let alone football. Before they started we were satisfied with what we could get on our TVs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 06, 2015, 11:44:26 AM
All members who post blaming the modern attitudes of players and the style of football played should look at themselves and answer this question. Do you subscribe to SKY or any other money making broadcasters? If so, you have only yourselves to blame. SKY has ruined all sport let alone football. Before they started we were satisfied with what we could get on our TVs.

A lot of truth in what you say, I cancelled Sky ages ago, but the gravy train will keep running.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 06, 2015, 11:47:04 AM
I entirely understand Chipper's views and the obscene amounts money knocking around the game, but the truth is over the last 40 years the money that players and earned fans has diverged and football has become it's own reality.

The market dictates what Albion pay players and we simply cannot opt out. If we want even the modest talents within our squad we have to pay the going rate and that means they get paid between £1m and £2.5m a year. Very few people earn that kind of money and hardly any in their 20's. However I could have said the same when we were paying between £250,000 and £750,000 7 years ago in the Championship. If you are football fan you either accept that as the reality or you don't there is no point in making the comparison between what players earn and "normal" people do nor has there been for a long while.

One would hope the players who have the great good fortune to earn these vast sums have the humility and the wisdom to not squander it nor bite the hand that feeds them. Regrettably wisdom and humility are not traits that are often associated with young men nor do they go hand in glove with the focus required to make it as professional footballer. Hence we have this thread about Saido although we don't have the same discussion about other members of the squad which is easy to overlook in these circumstances.

All that said it feels wrong to reward Berahino with a new contract, but we have to find a way out of a messy impasse. Letting him rot in the reserves is fine in principle but that is cutting our nose off to spite our face. Like it or not he still is a player of some talent and probably the best finisher we have on our books and as such we should at least try to get him back onside,  until we can sort out an exit which works for all parties. A new contract with an exit clause might be the best way to achieve that but it does stick in the craw.


   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 06, 2015, 11:56:35 AM
I entirely understand Chipper's views and the obscene amounts money knocking around the game, but the truth is over the last 40 years the money that players and earned fans has diverged and football has become it's own reality.

The market dictates what Albion pay players and we simply cannot opt out. If we want even the modest talents within our squad we have to pay the going rate and that means they get paid between £1m and £2.5m a year. Very few people earn that kind of money and hardly any in their 20's. However I could have said the same when we were paying between £250,000 and £750,000 7 years ago in the Championship. If you are football fan you either accept that as the reality or you don't there is no point in making the comparison between what players earn and "normal" people do nor has there been for a long while.

One would hope the players who have the great good fortune to earn these vast sums have the humility and the wisdom to not squander it nor bite the hand that feeds them. Regrettably wisdom and humility are not traits that are often associated with young men nor do they go hand in glove with the focus required to make it as professional footballer. Hence we have this thread about Saido although we don't have the same discussion about other members of the squad which is easy to overlook in these circumstances.

All that said it feels wrong to reward Berahino with a new contract, but we have to find a way out of a messy impasse. Letting him rot in the reserves is fine in principle but that is cutting our nose off to spite our face. Like it or not he still is a player of some talent and probably the best finisher we have on our books and as such we should at least try to get him back onside,  until we can sort out an exit which works for all parties. A new contract with an exit clause might be the best way to achieve that but it does stick in the craw.


 

Slightly off topic, but...........
I agree entirely, the game has moved from a parochial position with a Football Club being attached to a local community & some local lads playing for the team, to an elite product, transmitted across the globe.
IMO, the main downfall of the parochial game, was the hooliganism associated with clubs in the 70's & 80's. If it hadn't been for Sky & the EPL I think the game in the UK would have died.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 06, 2015, 12:09:04 PM
Looks like he will get a wage rise.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-prepared-offer-saido-9998517?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 06, 2015, 12:19:52 PM
Spoilt brat 1 Football 0

I can see why the club have to do this but its just wrong and sends the message to others what to do to get it all your own way.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 06, 2015, 12:37:02 PM
Looks like he will get a wage rise.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-prepared-offer-saido-9998517?

Unfortunately it is merely reporting the People story gone are the days that the Birmingham Mail brings us news about the club.

The Berahino stand off is the end of an evolutionary process which has seen power shift from clubs to players. Many on here reference Bomber and Astle Albion stalwarts and the days of the one club player in the 70's but in many instances the player simply did not have a choice. If a club didn't want to sell a player they priced him out of a move regardless of their contractual status.

The Bosman ruling changed everything in 1995. It also coincided with the globalisation of the sport and the experiential increase in TV revenues. Football is the hottest TV ticket on the planet and as such it generates masses of cash. There are four potential beneficiaries. Media Companies the governing bodies (Uefa etc..) Clubs and the players. I am hard pressed to choose who I think would be the more deserving recipient of the windfall, but the players might not be the worst option. 

It is just unfortunate they don't have the grace to even acknowledge their good fortune and pursue the cash with an intensity of a pig hunting truffles. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on September 06, 2015, 12:52:02 PM
Jeff Astle said that  he was on 80 quid a week at the Albion. I have read George Best's book and he said United had a wage cap and the most he earned there was 200 quid a week, while Charlton and Law were on a bit more.
A good wage in those day's indeed, but nothing like the obscene money they get now for doing a job they love.

Ideye Brown probably made over a million just from his transfer in and out, without his wage.
Madness.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on September 06, 2015, 01:04:55 PM
As a fan I have the same emotions as most regarding Berahino.

However, West Bromwich Albion is a business and emotion has little sway in the commercial world.

Let management calm him down, reintegrate him, let his peer group play its part (good help him), give him a new and improved contract and sell him at the first available opportunity, at the right price of course. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: apple on September 06, 2015, 01:10:43 PM
  l know football is awash with fools and money but who in their right minds is now going to pay £25 million pounds for somebody with such a stinking attitude. if l was a Tottenham fan l certainly wouldnt want him anywhere near my team.
  l fear that to give him a huge pay rise and a new contract with a high release clause, we are going to be stuck with the little tw*t for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 06, 2015, 01:36:15 PM
  l know football is awash with fools and money but who in their right minds is now going to pay £25 million pounds for somebody with such a stinking attitude. if l was a Tottenham fan l certainly wouldnt want him anywhere near my team.
  l fear that to give him a huge pay rise and a new contract with a high release clause, we are going to be stuck with the little tw*t for the foreseeable future.

Balotelli keeps getting these moves on big money. There will always be a taker for any player with a bit of talent no matter what they do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 06, 2015, 01:40:38 PM
Jeff Astle said that  he was on 80 quid a week at the Albion. I have read George Best's book and he said United had a wage cap and the most he earned there was 200 quid a week, while Charlton and Law were on a bit more.
A good wage in those day's indeed, but nothing like the obscene money they get now for doing a job they love.

Ideye Brown probably made over a million just from his transfer in and out, without his wage.
Madness.

I used to go to the Hawthorns with my Grandad who was a straight forward chap who never let the facts get in the way of an argument. Back in the 1970 what footballers earned was rarely the cause for much debate however the fact that Alan Clarke who had transferred from Leicester to Leeds it was reported that he would earn £150 a week and I guess he would be one of the better paid players in the game.

 For some reason this enraged my Grandad who now thought all footballers earned £150 a week for 90 minutes work (training didn't seem to count in his eyes) and therefore were harangued accordingly. I probably should apologise to Bomber and the rest of 1970/71 team as they probably weren't earning half of that and that bloke that used to shout "£150 quid a week for that rubbish" at them really didn't know what he was talking about. ;D

The point is that that was 40 years ago the world is different there was a lot less money in the game and all money is worth less because of inflation. To put into context the £150 per week player of 1970 would need to be earning £3750 a week to keep pace with wage inflation. Everything else is down to the Bosman ruling and the sheer weight of money flowing through the game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 06, 2015, 01:43:12 PM
I guess it's a case of getting him in the meeting tomorrow if he turns up and trying to resolve the issue, Where he can play until January at least and contribute to the club without being poisonous on the dressing room.

I would be amazed if he stayed and signed a new contract but a lot will depend on he's attitude in tomorrow's meeting.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: garry on September 06, 2015, 02:05:07 PM
The problem is that whenever he plays now and misses a 'sitter' everyone will be claiming a deliberate miss.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 06, 2015, 02:09:31 PM
The problem is that whenever he plays now and misses a 'sitter' everyone will be claiming a deliberate miss.


Yes your right, someone who sits near me was claiming that the misses against Man City & Watford were deliberate. If they were, then he's a better player than I had him down for. :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zac on September 06, 2015, 02:20:32 PM
Refuses to play for our chairman and then could be potentially earning a new contract. What a crazy world we live in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 06, 2015, 02:25:44 PM
Don't know if anyone has seen this but it sounds like Saido will end up playing for us again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34167785

Striker Saido Berahino will return to play for West Brom again, players' union boss Gordon Taylor has said.

Berahino hinted he would not represent the club under chairman Jeremy Peace after a move to Tottenham was blocked.

The England Under-21 international, 22, was given extra time off and is due to meet Baggies officials on Monday.

"We made contact with the club and player and are very hopeful the matter will be resolved," Taylor told BBC Radio 5 live's Sportsweek.

Berahino was the subject of four bids from Spurs over the summer and has been left out of the team for the last three matches.

Taylor, PFA chief executive since 1981, also called for the transfer window to be closed before the start of the new season, using the example of the uncertainty surrounding Everton's John Stones.

England international Stones, 21, had a transfer request rejected by the Toffees, who also refused three bids - including one of £30m - from Premier League champions Chelsea for the defender.

"To have the window open once the season starts has created some very frenzied activity and left a lot of good players who should have been on the pitch not playing," said Taylor, 70.

"John Stones had to cope with a lot as Everton - as was their right - wanted to keep him.

"We have fought long and hard to have players literally free. But that comes at the end of their contract and before that happens it needs two clubs to agree."
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 06, 2015, 02:26:19 PM
Refuses to play for our chairman and then could be potentially earning a new contract. What a crazy world we live in.

So true pal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 17GD on September 06, 2015, 02:34:01 PM
Just read that he may get a new contract. If he does and it includes a pay rise, I will be boycotting all Albion games until he goes. I won't allow myself to contribute towards the pay of a sulking leech when the world is in he state it's in.

Some peope are simply despicable and i refuse to be linked with them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 06, 2015, 02:54:53 PM
The purpose of the new contract will be to get the £25m buy-out clause into it...which will make the position clearer to Spurs etc.
I know it seems very bad timing for him to get a pay rise but you could say he'll be getting what he is worth to us as a player now i.e. the rate for a genuine premier league goal scorer. It might stick in the throat to say it but his performances last year mean he now 'deserves' to be on a higher pay rate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 06, 2015, 03:55:16 PM
I'm going to refuse to go into work tomorrow in hope that work will offer me a new contract with better pay.

Somehow, I reckon they'd sack me instead...

It'll be a sad day when we start bowing down to spoilt brats.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on September 06, 2015, 03:56:39 PM
Let him play this season and scores for us, then sell him at £25m next summer, a win-win situation ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 06, 2015, 04:05:29 PM
Let him play this season and scores for us, then sell him at £25m next summer, a win-win situation ?

When he's got 12 months left on his contract?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 06, 2015, 04:07:00 PM
I honestly have no idea why anyone is surprised about him being reintegrated and getting a new contract. It was the only way this was ever going to shake out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on September 06, 2015, 04:20:30 PM
I honestly have no idea why anyone is surprised about him being reintegrated and getting a new contract. It was the only way this was ever going to shake out.

It's the only way WBA get the maximum out of this. All this 'let him rot' talk means he'd be getting paid to do nothing and we'd lose him for whatever the compensation would be next summer.

This way, Pulis says 'work ARD, score us goals and you may get your move in January, if not, you'll get it next summer."

We get goals, finish higher and potentially 25 million when he goes.

Anything else is illogical.

Doesn't change the fact that as a person he is a complete d*ck though! Thing is, i don't watch Albion to see nice people, i watch us in the hope of wins and entertainment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: garry on September 06, 2015, 04:23:05 PM
I'm going to refuse to go into work tomorrow in hope that work will offer me a new contract with better pay.

Somehow, I reckon they'd sack me instead...

It'll be a sad day when we start bowing down to spoilt brats.
I can remember many occasions where a work-mate has got a job at another company purely as a lever to get a pay rise at his existing one. Hands in his notice and they offer him a pay rise to stay.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 06, 2015, 04:29:56 PM
I can remember many occasions where a work-mate has got a job at another company purely as a lever to get a pay rise at his existing one. Hands in his notice and they offer him a pay rise to stay.
Has to be good and not a pain in the backside though?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 06, 2015, 04:51:23 PM
If it hadn't been for the petulant tweets then keeping him and giving him a new contract with a fair release clause was the best case scenario, it probably still is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on September 06, 2015, 05:25:48 PM
The purpose of the new contract will be to get the £25m buy-out clause into it...which will make the position clearer to Spurs etc.
I know it seems very bad timing for him to get a pay rise but you could say he'll be getting what he is worth to us as a player now i.e. the rate for a genuine premier league goal scorer. It might stick in the throat to say it but his performances last year mean he now 'deserves' to be on a higher pay rate.
This was always likely to happen if he didn't go - objectively he was due a pay rise anyway, but having a publicly stated get out clause means Spurs- or whoever- can't do any "canny" haggling, they just have to pay up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sted1990 on September 06, 2015, 06:05:16 PM
When he's got 12 months left on his contract?

We have a years option in our favour
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 06, 2015, 06:20:22 PM
I honestly have no idea why anyone is surprised about him being reintegrated and getting a new contract. It was the only way this was ever going to shake out.
Purely the best way to move on for both parties , if the press/ talkshite want to make a big deal out of the potential contract thing then clearly they still don't know JP very well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 06, 2015, 06:45:24 PM
We have a years option in our favour

I'm fairly sure we don't.

We only have a straight 18 months, but as he'll be under 24 when the contract ends, as he was our academy graduate we remain the ability to have a fee for him, even at contract end.

Ings is an example of this for £6-8mill I believe.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 06, 2015, 06:48:10 PM
Could anyone post a link to say when he's contract is up please.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on September 06, 2015, 07:06:59 PM
It's okay saying give him a new contract but does anybody trust saido to deliver his side of things.

Not just down to him being a tool but the way we play and where he is likely to play (out wide) I would be shocked if he got 10 goals this season let alone 20. After his best season and as good as he is likely to do for us and at a time when bigger clubs have to get more English talent not one big club came in for him, why would they next season when he probably won't of done as well?

He is not a 18 year old wonder kid, he is a 22 year old with a bad reputation and although a good player he isn't a great player and whether he likes it or not there isn't a queue to sign him.

bigger clubs are in the spotlight more than us and I would think clubs will be aware of his attitude in the past when he got sent back from clubs, to his off the field antics (even when in the England squad by all accounts he was a billy big time according to a few journalists at the time) and i wonder imagine they are weighing up his potential with the hassle and not rushing to sign him.

Keep him on his current contract (not exactly a pittance) if he has a great few months then clubs will want him anyway and pay 20m plus, if we give him a new deal now we risk having a spoilt brat on massive wages who based on past experience will do something stupid again this season yet again reducing the likelihood of clubs wanting to sign him.

The difference between balotelli  and saido is mario has done it at champions league and world cups, admittedly too infrequent but to do it at that level anytime clubs feel the risk is worth it,  at the moment saido clearly isn't seen that why judging by the lack of interest.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 06, 2015, 07:08:12 PM
Could anyone post a link to say when he's contract is up please.

He's under contract until 2017.

He signed a three and a half year deal in 2013.

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/saido-signs-new-contract-1204017.aspx
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on September 06, 2015, 07:12:12 PM
Purely the best way to move on for both parties , if the press/ talkshite want to make a big deal out of the potential contract thing then clearly they still don't know JP very well.
You are right it is probably the best deal for the club, but the thought of him giggling and high fiving his cronies, in honour of his (perceived) victory, just makes me more angry.
I want him to regret his actions and suffer consequences not get rewarded.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 06, 2015, 07:27:08 PM
You are right it is probably the best deal for the club, but the thought of him giggling and high fiving his cronies, in honour of his (perceived) victory, just makes me more angry.
I want him to regret his actions and suffer consequences not get rewarded.

I agree unfortunately that's not how it goes when you are of value to the company/club.

Going to be so frustrating all this drama to see him being stuck out on the wing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 06, 2015, 08:11:21 PM
It's okay saying give him a new contract but does anybody trust saido to deliver his side of things.

Not just down to him being a tool but the way we play and where he is likely to play (out wide) I would be shocked if he got 10 goals this season let alone 20. After his best season and as good as he is likely to do for us and at a time when bigger clubs have to get more English talent not one big club came in for him, why would they next season when he probably won't of done as well?

He is not a 18 year old wonder kid, he is a 22 year old with a bad reputation and although a good player he isn't a great player and whether he likes it or not there isn't a queue to sign him.

bigger clubs are in the spotlight more than us and I would think clubs will be aware of his attitude in the past when he got sent back from clubs, to his off the field antics (even when in the England squad by all accounts he was a billy big time according to a few journalists at the time) and i wonder imagine they are weighing up his potential with the hassle and not rushing to sign him.

Keep him on his current contract (not exactly a pittance) if he has a great few months then clubs will want him anyway and pay 20m plus, if we give him a new deal now we risk having a spoilt brat on massive wages who based on past experience will do something stupid again this season yet again reducing the likelihood of clubs wanting to sign him.

The difference between balotelli  and saido is mario has done it at champions league and world cups, admittedly too infrequent but to do it at that level anytime clubs feel the risk is worth it,  at the moment saido clearly isn't seen that why judging by the lack of interest.

Its a really tricky one, keep him on the same contract and try to sell at Christmas, or stick him on an improved deal and risk an expensive dead weight around the squad.

I don't envy those making the decision.

Maybe a new contract with severe performance related terms.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on September 06, 2015, 08:22:41 PM
Personally I don't care any more.

The turd has finished it for me.

Cheers Bellendarinho.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 06, 2015, 08:31:44 PM
Personally I don't care any more.

The turd has finished it for me.

Cheers Bellendarinho.

Do you know that's about the way I feel
Fek him,all I want is for WBA to optimise their return on him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on September 06, 2015, 08:42:51 PM
Under no circumstances should this turd get a pay rise after what he's done.  You cant reward people for being petulant.


It would smack the faces of the fans who contribute to his wages.  Should rot in the reserves until his contract expires.  We'll see what that does to his career.


We don't need the money not with the amount that's coming in through TV in the next few years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WoysWunderful on September 06, 2015, 08:44:50 PM
Aslong as he scores goals he can say what he wants as far as I'm concerned

more £££ for us when he goes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 06, 2015, 08:53:58 PM
Aslong as he scores goals he can say what he wants as far as I'm concerned

more £££ for us when he goes

Really ? Tough one that, I understand gone are the days when players care about the club however someone who clearly doesn't want to play for the club and is an arrogant little so and so like Berahino is dangerously close to taking us for a mug I think.

If he was being played as a striker under a more attacking manager I wouldn't care less as I know he would get us wins however I fail to see how he is so valuable under pulis.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 06, 2015, 08:54:30 PM
You are right it is probably the best deal for the club, but the thought of him giggling and high fiving his cronies, in honour of his (perceived) victory, just makes me more angry.
I want him to regret his actions and suffer consequences not get rewarded.
He'll be back for a few sessions in the Pulis naughty chair - he's also not guaranteed a place in our starting line-up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on September 06, 2015, 10:13:08 PM
I am also not very happy to hear he may get a new contract/pay rise BUT at least it will mean the club is back in control of his future (that is why I doubt he will sign).

The 25 mill buyout clause will be written to specify that offers, like the one made by Spurs, can not be considered and Saido will not be able to crumble/rage/dummy spit about them not being accepted. (which I think a large chunk of this is about)..

Truth is that even if he is sell him in January at 10-15 mill (cash up front), it would be better than the deal that Spurs offered.... so people saying we won't get as much for him as his contrart winds down are not quite correct.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 06, 2015, 10:57:05 PM
I am also not very happy to hear he may get a new contract/pay rise BUT at least it will mean the club is back in control of his future (that is why I doubt he will sign).


He will sign simply because he loses much too much money if he doesn't. Any money he isn't earning now is money he has to earn later and even if he goes to another club and if he gets better pay, he will just be making up for the money he lost earning less for two years (which is a long time in a players career). Since Saido is obviously money driven he will sign the new contract even if he hates it. JP knows exactly where he has him which is why Saido threw his toys.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on September 06, 2015, 10:58:13 PM
so he says he doesn't want to play  for us, ridicules himself worldwide and possibly gets a huge pay rise. how the hell are you supposed to teach right from wrong if that's the example the club sets.
if this is the reward we give that twonk then the club can do one for me.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 07, 2015, 01:42:14 AM
Cryptic instagram post in the last hour. I think it's meant to be contrite but who knows? Public apology in the next 48 hours imo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 07, 2015, 03:17:14 AM
Interesting comments from Pulis in the Daily Mail, not sensing all that much support from him to the chairman but it's possibly me reading too much into it. I can't post all of the article off my phone but hopefully the link works and someone can add the content later.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3224352/Saido-Berahino-wants-reach-push-limits-wise-insists-West-Brom-boss-Tony-Pulis.html

There are days when Saido Berahino politely knocks on the manager's door at West Brom's training ground and offers to make Tony Pulis a nice cup of green tea.

Pulis takes a pastoral, fatherly role towards Berahino's welfare, and whenever the forward can be dragged off the training pitches they often sit down for an hour or so to discuss the game.

It is there they discuss his future, Berahino's burning desire to play for one of the biggest clubs in the Barclays Premier League and his ambitions to become an established England international.


So what happened in those chaotic, final few hours of the transfer window that provoked Berahino to send a tweet claiming that he would never play for West Brom's chairman Jeremy Peace again?

'Saido wants to test himself at the highest level, to push himself to his limits, against and with the top players in this country,' revealed Pulis in his first interview since Peace went to war with Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy.

'Every sportsman should be allowed the opportunity to better themselves in life, to be ambitious and not to settle for the comfort zone. Saido's problem has been how he he's gone about it, and how he has been manipulated into situations that have put him in such a bad light.


'Respect has to be earned and Saido has to learn that lesson. West Brom have nurtured Saido's career for over a decade, the people in the club and on the terraces have supported him, and given him the platform from which he stands today.

'They deserve the utmost respect and at times unwillingly he has shown them little. Do I think he's meant it? Of course not, but he has to grow up and wise up to the fact that people at West Brom have supported him right from the beginning of his career.'

West Brom's owner was pulling the strings on transfers from his home in Jersey and would not budge, even when Levy offered the really big money. The Spurs chairman had more than met his match.


In the weeks leading up to the close of the window, Berahino was distracted by the constant speculation about Spurs' interest.

Pulis was forced to take him out of the West Brom team for the draw at Watford on August 15 and again the following week against Chelsea. At the time, Pulis insisted the player's head 'wasn't right'.

Pulis added: 'I spoke to Saido and told him not to get involved in anything else but football, but again - unfortunately - he didn't listen. By handing in a transfer request, he only antagonised the whole situation.

'Saido listens to the last person who speaks to him and does things that are not reflective of him. He also brought his mum in one day to have a meeting with Jeremy and I don't think that helped.'

On deadline day there was a further twist when Tottenham threw in winger Andros Townsend and central defender Federico Fazio as part of a package. Pulis added: 'I made it clear on the fee I felt acceptable. At the end there was talk of two other players being part of the deal as well but the final say went with the chairman.'


Berahino simply wanted to get away, to further his ambitions after knuckling down last season when Pulis arrived at the club to help keep them in the Premier League.

His goals, particularly during a purple patch in February, confirmed his class and the big boys have been after the England Under 21 striker ever since. Spurs were first in the queue.

'I gave an honest appraisal of Saido, and told (Tottenham's head of recruitment) Paul Mitchell, that given both chairman's reputations, I would expect it to be a long hard battle, if Spurs come back.

'Once Saido is focused he is a decent lad and a good player. He said they would make a bid and I told him it was up to Jeremy and Daniel to do a deal.

'I will always be honest about a player, I will tell them the truth. Does it mean I want him to move? No, but I won't cut a player up by being dishonest. If I thought they were not up to a certain standard I would give an honest opinion.'

Berahino is expected back in training on Monday, returning to West Brom for the first time since Pulis told him to spend a few days away to help clear his head.

The provocative tweet from a private jet did not improve Pulis's mood, but he is convinced his striker needs more guidance.


'It's almost like he is influenced by the last person who talks to him. He lacks real mentors in his life. He lost his dad very early and I believe that played a pivotal part in his behaviour.

'There should be mentors in academies, more ex-senior players involved with the youngsters, to mix with them, integrate and tell them about their experience of the game and their careers — they could play a big part.'

At Stoke, Pulis worked with the club's former players, such as Denis Smith and Alan Durban, to guide the young players as they progressed through the academy.

Berahino is a first-team player now, and Pulis will be considering his options regarding the striker ahead of Saturday's fixture with Southampton.

Most of West Brom's players are on international duty and Pulis knows some members of a tightly-knit group will find it difficult to accept Berahino's return.

Pulis added: 'It will be difficult to integrate Saido into this group. His attitude will be questioned. The lads are very honest and hardworking and Saido will have to show that in abundance.

'The supporters will also be looking for a player who wears their badge with commitment and honesty. They are extremely proud of this famous club and will want to see Saido showing the respect they deserve.'



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on September 07, 2015, 05:44:01 AM
Does anyone believe that Spurs threw in Townsend and Fazio as part of the deal on the last day? First i have heard of it. Fazio didn't come over terms so how could they "throw" him in?

The media always like to show the big clubs in a favourable light.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 07, 2015, 06:32:23 AM
Does anyone believe that Spurs threw in Townsend and Fazio as part of the deal on the last day? First i have heard of it. Fazio didn't come over terms so how could they "throw" him in?

The media always like to show the big clubs in a favourable light.

That part of the article is in inverted commas so is a quote attributed to Pulis.
So yes I believe there were two players offered in the exchange, not sure if it was Fazio and Townsend but it would appear that two players were offered in part ex.
Pulis is basically saying he wanted the deal but the Chairman had other ideas.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: garry on September 07, 2015, 08:07:04 AM
Nice quote from Pulis in The Daily Mail:
'The supporters will also be looking for a player who wears their badge with commitment and honesty. They are extremely proud of this famous club and will want to see Saido showing the respect they deserve.'
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 07, 2015, 08:10:41 AM
Nice quote from Pulis in The Daily Mail:
'The supporters will also be looking for a player who wears their badge with commitment and honesty. They are extremely proud of this famous club and will want to see Saido showing the respect they deserve.'
While some aren't keen on Pulis for football reasons for me you couldn't have a better bloke to handle this situation with Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies_24 on September 07, 2015, 08:14:15 AM
Impressed what Pulis had to say in that piece, thought it was very honest and showed Saido that his antics won't be put up with whilst still offering a helping hand to get him playing football again. If there is one thing that has come out of this mess I think Pulis has handled it very well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 07, 2015, 08:17:01 AM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/9982156/west-bromwich-albion-manager-tony-pulis-ready-to-re-integrate-saido-berahino

Was this a sly dig at JP as well with the Shane Long quote? :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 07, 2015, 08:25:17 AM
Interesting comments from Pulis in the Daily Mail, not sensing all that much support from him to the chairman but it's possibly me reading too much into it. I can't post all of the article off my phone but hopefully the link works and someone can add the content later.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3224352/Saido-Berahino-wants-reach-push-limits-wise-insists-West-Brom-boss-Tony-Pulis.html


I've just looked on Newsnow & none of the other papers ran this story yesterday, I'm just wondering why Tony Pulis would want to give an exclusive interview to the Daily Mail?
The whole episode doesn't make sense to me. For some time now, it's been pretty obvious that Berahino is a "high maintenance" player, & a decent offer from another club would be enough to temp us to move him on.
I thought the offer from Spurs would be attractive to JP, but he was was backing TP, who felt he could get more out of him.
If the reverse is the case, then JP clearly isn't supporting his manager in football isssues................here we go again!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on September 07, 2015, 08:25:35 AM
Dont always agree with some of Pulis's football but i always think he comes across as a decent honest bloke and that interview confirms that.

If anybody can sort Berahino out it will be him, i bet he must be even more gutted as since Pulis came in it looked like progress was made, then he has hit outburst, i bet Pulis takes things like that quite personal.

I dont know but the fact Pulis was willing to sell him was so Saido did get the chance to play higher but also he probably knew at some stage, Saido would play the idiot again and he is now left with an extra job of trying to get him back within the squad, said it before but Pulis prides himself on the all in together, got each others backs, etc approach so last thing you need is some jumped up helmet messing things up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 07, 2015, 08:27:03 AM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/9982156/west-bromwich-albion-manager-tony-pulis-ready-to-re-integrate-saido-berahino

Was this a sly dig at JP as well with the Shane Long quote? :-\

I didn't understand that either, Pulis wasn't even here at the time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on September 07, 2015, 08:41:50 AM
Pulis is a clever man manager.....Peace is bad cop, Pulis is good cop at least until Bera is sold.

There is also an element of Pulis having a not so subtle dig at Peace focusing on £s all the time. He's a financier and owner so what do people expect.

I think when the dust has settled, you'd hope the club also consider how all of this was handled and whether they could've pushed a deal to benefit all sides (more) because I'm not sure there will be any winners here, unhappy player, unhappy fans, reduced value, deal with Spurs looking off?

Berahino better score some goals if/ when he's back!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 07, 2015, 09:02:39 AM
There is no doubt Pulis actively wanted to sell Berahino and the whole "you can never say never" routine throughout the summer was trying to tease out an acceptable bid. Unfortunately for both player and manager Spurs came in with a bid that was structured in such a way that it only gave the club £5m guaranteed with the remainder being subject to add-on's which would have taken up to 5 years to pay out. It was never the sort of deal which could have used to go out spend £20m even if the headline figure was even more than that.

I suspect Pulis told Berahino don't rock the boat son and you will get your move. It worked for both parties Berahino despite being our best striker never really fitted into the Pulisball tactics and was seen by the manager as high maintenance but was the club's most valuable asset and as such could generate the money for Pulis to spend.

Berahino lashing out is in part due to the manager telling him one thing and the owner not bowing to the inevitable when the terrible offer finally arrived. You will note that it was Peace not the club nor the manager that Berahino attacked on twitter.

The interview with Neil Ashdown in the Mail (which is unusual in it's self) is Pulis getting in his retaliation in first and making sure Berahino is the fall guy here which is an easy sell to the fans and getting his excuses in early in case the whole things heads even further south.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 07, 2015, 09:46:56 AM
The bit I found funny was where Pulis said that 'he also bought his mum in one day to have a meeting with Jeremy and I don't think that helped'  ;D

The more I think about it the less chance I can see of him any sort of meaningful carear here, the fans will absolutely rip the pish out of him for one thing.
Not to mention what the boys in the dressing room will say

Anybody think Pulis is setting him up here?  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on September 07, 2015, 09:59:21 AM
I wonder if he has turned up for 'work' this morning? Can't imagine much productivity from him on the training ground if indeed he is there. More like a day in isolation in the headmaster's office.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 07, 2015, 10:21:29 AM
What I don't understand is, on the final day of the window, Jezza was in Jersey, and Pulis left the ground at 3ish. ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 07, 2015, 10:26:40 AM
What I don't understand is, on the final day of the window, Jezza was in Jersey, and Pulis left the ground at 3ish. ???

Jezza only has to give the yes/ no answer and others (I presume Garlick) do the dealings/ paperwork etc
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 07, 2015, 10:27:29 AM
Unfortunately for both player and manager Spurs came in with a bid that was structured in such a way that it only gave the club £5m guaranteed with the remainder being subject to add-on's which would have taken up to 5 years to pay out.
Do we actually know this? I've seen Daniel Levy referring to incremental payments being standard, which I'm sure they are, so do we know that all but £5m of these were conditional add-ons?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 07, 2015, 10:32:31 AM
I see Tone's taking him and his mum out for dinner

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/09/07/tony-pulis-to-take-saido-berahino-and-his-mum-out-to-dinner-for-a-good-chat/?

Do they still do the toys with the 'Happy Meals'?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 07, 2015, 10:40:03 AM
Do we actually know this? I've seen Daniel Levy referring to incremental payments being standard, which I'm sure they are, so do we know that all but £5m of these were conditional add-ons?

I'm not sure that they were all conditional add-ons, but as I understand it, the deal was structured. If, as reported, we wanted to use the cash to get Phillips &/or Austin from QPR, it's unlikely they would have accepted a structured deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 07, 2015, 10:47:00 AM
There is no doubt Pulis actively wanted to sell Berahino and the whole "you can never say never" routine throughout the summer was trying to tease out an acceptable bid. Unfortunately for both player and manager Spurs came in with a bid that was structured in such a way that it only gave the club £5m guaranteed with the remainder being subject to add-on's which would have taken up to 5 years to pay out. It was never the sort of deal which could have used to go out spend £20m even if the headline figure was even more than that.

I suspect Pulis told Berahino don't rock the boat son and you will get your move. It worked for both parties Berahino despite being our best striker never really fitted into the Pulisball tactics and was seen by the manager as high maintenance but was the club's most valuable asset and as such could generate the money for Pulis to spend.

Berahino lashing out is in part due to the manager telling him one thing and the owner not bowing to the inevitable when the terrible offer finally arrived. You will note that it was Peace not the club nor the manager that Berahino attacked on twitter.

The interview with Neil Ashdown in the Mail (which is unusual in it's self) is Pulis getting in his retaliation in first and making sure Berahino is the fall guy here which is an easy sell to the fans and getting his excuses in early in case the whole things heads even further south.

The way the article(s) read, TP is also having a dig at the chairman, not normally a good career move. I'm not one of TP's biggest fans, but I don't think we need further upheaval right now. I'm really surprised TP gave the interview, & for me,it's worrying.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 07, 2015, 10:53:06 AM
I'm not sure that they were all conditional add-ons, but as I understand it, the deal was structured. If, as reported, we wanted to use the cash to get Phillips &/or Austin from QPR, it's unlikely they would have accepted a structured deal.

 i think it was about the time TP left the training ground that Charlie Austin tweeted something along the lines of "staying at Rangers" in a positive manner, 

I would conjecture that JP / TP had agreed that if SB deal wasn't concluded by 3:30, this would not leave time to get "other" deals done, so at 3:15 it was a call from WBA to say sorry charlie, problems at this end (knob-head Levy playing silly buggers, so we can't do it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 07, 2015, 11:45:19 AM
Do we actually know this? I've seen Daniel Levy referring to incremental payments being standard, which I'm sure they are, so do we know that all but £5m of these were conditional add-ons?

We don't know absolutely for certain and I am only going on what has been reported in the media but I am sure the deal was heavily weighted towards add-ons and the vast bulk of the fee would only be triggered if Saido did well for Spurs. Not a problem if other clubs would sell us players on the same basis but it plainly makes the deal more complicated and at the tail end of the window makes the task near impossible.

I think it is generally accepted that Spurs made four offers including a player swap which featured Fazio who had already turned down our terms.

 It is pincer movement on the one hand the manager wants to unload the player and the buying club knows this, the manager does not play the player "because he's head's not right" owner sees the writing on the wall cuts the best deal possible spends money that he doesn't have on replacements and keeps fingers crossed that Saido delivers the goods for Spurs and get's everyone out of jail. Remember that is the young man that everyone at the club thinks has a bit of an attitude problem.

Only thing is that is not the way JP rolls. If what it has happened the way I think it might have TP won't last the season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on September 07, 2015, 12:31:11 PM
It appears to me that TP appears to be making Peace the guilty party here. Hang on Tony its his club if the offer was not good enough it is within JP rights to reject it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 07, 2015, 12:50:00 PM
The article doesn't seem like a Pulis dig at anyone. He's just narrating what happened last Tuesday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on September 07, 2015, 12:56:29 PM
i find this bit interesting,
'There should be mentors in academies, more ex-senior players involved with the youngsters, to mix with them, integrate and tell them about their experience of the game and their careers — they could play a big part.'

not sure if the club do have this in place, I know Darren Moore is involved in some capacity. at the same time Berahino is no longer part of the academy, this could be where having a coach involved in first team that was an ex player perhaps might work.

Its very clear that Berahino is very immature maybe even more than that. yes he's had a hard upbringing with losing his dad and fleeing his country of birth but at the same time since the age of around 12 he's pretty much had everything handed to him on a plate which I think is what makes his attitude what it is.

I doubt he'd get the kind of 1 to 1 he does with Pulis at Spurs. he appears to be very fragile mentally which will only hold him back from reaching the levels that he wants to reach

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 07, 2015, 12:58:26 PM
The article doesn't seem like a Pulis dig at anyone. He's just narrating what happened last Tuesday.

That's what I thought too. Mind you I have been known to be wrong!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 07, 2015, 01:03:37 PM
The article doesn't seem like a Pulis dig at anyone. He's just narrating what happened last Tuesday.

There are two articles, both published around 10:30 last night, on this one there is a reference to the Shane Long sale, which took place before TP came here. To me, that's a dig at the Chairman.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3224406/Saido-Berahino-play-West-Brom-Tony-Pulis-plans-striker-mum-good-chat-dinner.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3224406/Saido-Berahino-play-West-Brom-Tony-Pulis-plans-striker-mum-good-chat-dinner.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 07, 2015, 01:06:49 PM
Certainly don't think this has done wonders for Pulis and peaces relationship especially the meat comment and Shane long transaction  ???.

Let's hope the meeting goes better tonight because I personally haven't taken much positivity out of any of the articles this morning surrounding the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 07, 2015, 01:15:16 PM
Think he is just trying to put Berahino's side ie. He sold Long so his explanation about not enough time for a replacement doesn't wash. Not a dig at all as Pulis does not know the facts of the deal. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pie on September 07, 2015, 01:21:28 PM
Pulis and Peace ar eboth clever enough to have come up with this plan to get Berahino back on side, even if it means Pulis playing against Peace in this manner. TP makes Saido think that its all Peace's fault and he is on his side, play well for me and you will get your move in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 07, 2015, 01:23:04 PM
Pulis playing politics in public won't help his position in the long term, subtle yet repeated digs at JP won't be going unnoticed either, especially after he was backed to the tune of £32million this summer (5th highest net spend in the league) and given more autonomy in the transfer market than any other Albion manager in the last decade.

Hopefully the beginning of the end - wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 07, 2015, 01:26:33 PM
Pulis and Peace ar eboth clever enough to have come up with this plan to get Berahino back on side, even if it means Pulis playing against Peace in this manner. TP makes Saido think that its all Peace's fault and he is on his side, play well for me and you will get your move in January.

Thats how I see it too,
SB had decided JP was bad cop, so encourage that and convince SB (and Ma) that TP has the lads interests at heart and is the good cop.
Somehow think SB ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer and will be "managed" by Tone, for as long as Tone can be arsed.
Conclusion SB goes Jan window or if not TP will !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 07, 2015, 01:31:54 PM
I have heard of conspiracies but this sounds a bit far, I think Pulis is genuinely unhappy at the moment whether my hunch is right or wrong.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 07, 2015, 01:33:05 PM
Thats how I see it too,
SB had decided JP was bad cop, so encourage that and convince SB (and Ma) that TP has the lads interests at heart and is the good cop.
Somehow think SB ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer and will be "managed" by Tone, for as long as Tone can be arsed.
Conclusion SB goes Jan window or if not TP will !

Pulis was talking about Berahino not being used as 'meat' weeks ago before all this boiled over, its been evident for some time that Pulis wanted to sell him and use the money for other targets.  If you think this is some sort of good cop / bad cop routine they have concocted between themselves you are sadly mistaken, Pulis is clearly politicking.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 07, 2015, 01:35:17 PM
Pulis playing politics in public won't help his position in the long term, subtle yet repeated digs at JP won't be going unnoticed either, especially after he was backed to the tune of £32million this summer (5th highest net spend in the league) and given more autonomy in the transfer market than any other Albion manager in the last decade.

Hopefully the beginning of the end - wishful thinking.

I think when JP appointed TP, he knew he was not getting a yes man, I can not see this affecting their working relationship, fortunately ;D, I think their is an honesty between the two men, differences in thought are accepted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on September 07, 2015, 01:45:24 PM
Pulis and Peace ar eboth clever enough to have come up with this plan to get Berahino back on side, even if it means Pulis playing against Peace in this manner. TP makes Saido think that its all Peace's fault and he is on his side, play well for me and you will get your move in January.

Have to say this is what I thought too
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 07, 2015, 02:15:25 PM
I see Tone's taking him and his mum out for dinner

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/09/07/tony-pulis-to-take-saido-berahino-and-his-mum-out-to-dinner-for-a-good-chat/?

Do they still do the toys with the 'Happy Meals'?


been seen outside Mcs carrying his box
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on September 07, 2015, 03:02:27 PM
I see Tone's taking him and his mum out for dinner

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/09/07/tony-pulis-to-take-saido-berahino-and-his-mum-out-to-dinner-for-a-good-chat/?

Do they still do the toys with the 'Happy Meals'?

 ;D ;D That would be a waste of time, he'd throw them out of his pram. We should forget all this molly coddling with Berahino. He is a well paid 'professional'. We should fine him and warn him that unless he grows up and acts like a grown adult he will be demoted to the reserves for the rest of his contract . We will still get a fee for him because of his age once his contract runs out. Alternatively, we could  invite  him to buy out his contract out for £25m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 07, 2015, 03:11:36 PM
I think when JP appointed TP, he knew he was not getting a yes man, I can not see this affecting their working relationship, fortunately ;D, I think their is an honesty between the two men, differences in thought are accepted.

So long as Pulis keep us in this league and JP doesn't sense that that position is in any danger Pulis will remain as manager as long as he wants to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 07, 2015, 03:15:35 PM
I've been thinking about this and given
a) he has been raised solely by his Mom and no doubt spoilt rotten by her,
b) he has had an exceptionally fortunate youth and no doubt again had everything he wants provided to him on a plate,

Its not that surprising that he is a egocentric, spoilt brat and whenever things do not go his way he throws a strop, I said after the drink driving incident that a Big Dave / Cyrille type of character should have been ear-marked to mentor him. Maybe TP is that mentor lets hope so because if not the next strop is not going to be far away.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 07, 2015, 03:31:10 PM
Took part in the full training session today according to Sky, started at 2pm and ended just before 3.30pm.

Nice full days work there for the lads not on international duty
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 07, 2015, 03:34:56 PM
I would imagine TP will take a firm line with Berahino, tell him in no uncertain terms that behaving like he has, makes it less likely to get a move than more likely, as his behaviour will put off certain suitors and JP will dig his heels in and demand top dollar, knowing he will get a tribunal fee after two years anyway.

Some of that of course is bluff, but, Berahino is clearly impatient, rotting in the stiffs for two years is not what wants.

The only real solution for both sides is for Berahino to keep his head down and play for a move, anything else makes little sense for all parties.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 07, 2015, 04:17:40 PM
Took part in the full training session today according to Sky, started at 2pm and ended just before 3.30pm.

Nice full days work there for the lads not on international duty

Amazing stuff mate, Off on a 12 hour hour shift for peanuts.Crazy world some people live in and the money they earn.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 07, 2015, 04:31:03 PM
Hope Pulis wears a suit tonight and not he's tracksuit and cap.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on September 07, 2015, 04:44:32 PM
I would have thought most of us on here would like to say more than allowed . I bring it down to spoiled brat that wants a kick up the derrière.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 1954 on September 07, 2015, 05:23:34 PM
I would imagine TP will take a firm line with Berahino, tell him in no uncertain terms that behaving like he has, makes it less likely to get a move than more likely, as his behaviour will put off certain suitors and JP will dig his heels in and demand top dollar, knowing he will get a tribunal fee after two years anyway.

Some of that of course is bluff, but, Berahino is clearly impatient, rotting in the stiffs for two years is not what wants.

The only real solution for both sides is for Berahino to keep his head down and play for a move, anything else makes little sense for all parties.
Surely if Saido's contract was run down he would then be a free agent & we would not be eligible for any "tribunas fee"?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 07, 2015, 05:29:05 PM
Surely if Saido's contract was run down he would then be a free agent & we would not be eligible for any "tribunas fee"?

Due to his age we would. Same thing happened to Danny Ings when he left Burnley for Liverpool
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIE5 on September 07, 2015, 06:29:37 PM
My heart bleeds for saido having to work for two hours today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on September 07, 2015, 06:33:52 PM
My heart bleeds for saido having to work for two hours today.

You don't know the half of it, he's on overtime as he's out with the boss tonight as well, hardly life 'enit
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on September 07, 2015, 07:40:53 PM
Some of the quotes from tonight:

"Please sir, before entering you must take your cap off"

"Saido, you can only have a pudding if you finish your greens"

"Mrs Berahino, you have to understand that your son needs to work really aaaard to get back in the team"

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 07, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
whats on the menu
Starters
Green Peace soup
Main
Hot Spuds
Desert
Humble Pie
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 07, 2015, 07:45:26 PM
Has he had the back of his legs slapped yet?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on September 07, 2015, 08:35:51 PM
I think TP is doing the right thing, and has the best chance of getting Saido back to doing what he does best. Of course it was stupid what he did, but it was done on the spur (sorry bout that!) of the moment after a disappointment, and how many people can say they always react to disappointments in a controlled and correct way. Once Saido gets this out of his system, he will be the most prolific scorer at the club. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stoxman on September 07, 2015, 08:38:03 PM
As an alternative view, Saido just might have an argument or two in his favour:

He is our best player. In many jobs, the best person gets paid the most. If I looked around the dressing room and saw Lescott, Fletcher etc earning not saw more than me but tens of thousands more than me every week I might be annoyed. They only seem to be paid more because they have played at the top for years. When judged objectively on contribution over the last season (rather than over their time at Utd, City etc), Saido did as much or more and should be paid as much or more. Should he have been behind Brunt, Morrison, etc? Chances are that he earned less than Ideye, Sess or Vic despite contributing more than all of them. If we carried more bricks, stacked more shelves or sold more cars than our work mates, we would be upset if we earned less than them. He would also look at the U21s and see the likes of Harry Kane on £45k per week and wonder why he earns a third of that just because he is at Albion. His league and U21 record is as good as Kane so why earn a third of what Kane earns?

Also, we hear rumours that TP had sanctioned a move for him. Maybe he felt let down; even betrayed.

I know this isn't a popular view. He earns a fantastic salary by the standards of most Albion fans but maybe some will take it as food for thought. Also, money is all relative. If you told someone in Chad or Mozambique that you were quiting your £15k per year job because a fellow worker was earning £25k a year for doing the same job, they would be astonished as £15k is more than many will see in a life time. Whether it is £15k per week or £15k per year, if you feel cheated you feel cheated...

Awaiting abuse....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alwaysbilly on September 07, 2015, 08:45:26 PM
As an alternative view, Saido just might have an argument or two in his favour:

He is our best player. In many jobs, the best person gets paid the most. If I looked around the dressing room and saw Lescott, Fletcher etc earning not saw more than me but tens of thousands more than me every week I might be annoyed. They only seem to be paid more because they have played at the top for years. When judged objectively on contribution over the last season (rather than over their time at Utd, City etc), Saido did as much or more and should be paid as much or more. Should he have been behind Brunt, Morrison, etc? Chances are that he earned less than Ideye, Sess or Vic despite contributing more than all of them. If we carried more bricks, stacked more shelves or sold more cars than our work mates, we would be upset if we earned less than them. He would also look at the U21s and see the likes of Harry Kane on £45k per week and wonder why he earns a third of that just because he is at Albion. His league and U21 record is as good as Kane so why earn a third of what Kane earns?

Also, we hear rumours that TP had sanctioned a move for him. Maybe he felt let down; even betrayed.

I know this isn't a popular view. He earns a fantastic salary by the standards of most Albion fans but maybe some will take it as food for thought. Also, money is all relative. If you told someone in Chad or Mozambique that you were quiting your £15k per year job because a fellow worker was earning £25k a year for doing the same job, they would be astonished as £15k is more than many will see in a life time. Whether it is £15k per week or £15k per year, if you feel cheated you feel cheated...

Awaiting abuse....
Well said, key word here is 'relative' - applies in all works of life.
We all need to get over this quickly and get behind the team and Saido so he gets us the goals again.

Sum it up - Ideye Sess and Anichebe all paid a lot more, but Saido kept us up so they can still earn top dollar.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BewdleyBaggie on September 07, 2015, 10:33:18 PM
Does anyone believe that Spurs threw in Townsend and Fazio as part of the deal on the last day? First i have heard of it. Fazio didn't come over terms so how could they "throw" him in?

The media always like to show the big clubs in a favourable light.

This guy has the two players as a loan only.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/09/07/report-west-brom-missed-out-on-fazio-and-townsend-pulis-left-fru/?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on September 07, 2015, 11:14:18 PM
As an alternative view, Saido just might have an argument or two in his favour:

He is our best player. In many jobs, the best person gets paid the most. If I looked around the dressing room and saw Lescott, Fletcher etc earning not saw more than me but tens of thousands more than me every week I might be annoyed. They only seem to be paid more because they have played at the top for years. When judged objectively on contribution over the last season (rather than over their time at Utd, City etc), Saido did as much or more and should be paid as much or more. Should he have been behind Brunt, Morrison, etc? Chances are that he earned less than Ideye, Sess or Vic despite contributing more than all of them. If we carried more bricks, stacked more shelves or sold more cars than our work mates, we would be upset if we earned less than them. He would also look at the U21s and see the likes of Harry Kane on £45k per week and wonder why he earns a third of that just because he is at Albion. His league and U21 record is as good as Kane so why earn a third of what Kane earns?

Also, we hear rumours that TP had sanctioned a move for him. Maybe he felt let down; even betrayed.

I know this isn't a popular view. He earns a fantastic salary by the standards of most Albion fans but maybe some will take it as food for thought. Also, money is all relative. If you told someone in Chad or Mozambique that you were quiting your £15k per year job because a fellow worker was earning £25k a year for doing the same job, they would be astonished as £15k is more than many will see in a life time. Whether it is £15k per week or £15k per year, if you feel cheated you feel cheated...

Awaiting abuse....
Your logic is based on "In many jobs" and football is anything but a typical job, as seen by the potential pay-rise and holiday rather than getting the sack which would be a standard response for such behaviour.
By the same token, the reason why he doesn't get paid more is because he is in the footballing industry, which allows for unusual wages at the same time.

For instance, right now there will be a wonder-kid in the Dutch 3rd division or something on £1k p/w, who would be a top championship player - but he is on 10 X less than the average championship player. The main two reasons why he's underpaid would be due to A) A bad agent. B) His age.

I believe the reason Berahino is on £14k p/w is because he signed that deal at a young age and possibly bad negotiating with Peace.
In short, I agree with you; in terms of his performance last year, he should be on more money. However as pointed out, he is in an industry when talent doesn't always get paid most.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 08, 2015, 12:01:51 AM
I'm sure he was more than chuffed when his weekly wage jumped from hundreds of pounds a week to 14,000. He just wasn't patient enough to wait for his deserved reward from OUR club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 08, 2015, 09:18:21 AM
Morrison will have a few words i hear :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 08, 2015, 09:33:29 AM
Your logic is based on "In many jobs" and football is anything but a typical job, as seen by the potential pay-rise and holiday rather than getting the sack which would be a standard response for such behaviour.
By the same token, the reason why he doesn't get paid more is because he is in the footballing industry, which allows for unusual wages at the same time.

For instance, right now there will be a wonder-kid in the Dutch 3rd division or something on £1k p/w, who would be a top championship player - but he is on 10 X less than the average championship player. The main two reasons why he's underpaid would be due to A) A bad agent. B) His age.

I believe the reason Berahino is on £14k p/w is because he signed that deal at a young age and possibly bad negotiating with Peace.
In short, I agree with you; in terms of his performance last year, he should be on more money. However as pointed out, he is in an industry when talent doesn't always get paid most.

I thought the club binned his new contract offer when he got charged with drink driving.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pie on September 08, 2015, 09:38:28 AM
Seems as though he is back in training and getting on with it according to BBC sport.

I just want this to be over with as soon as possible now. Let him play and hopefully score a few then he can move on in January for a good fee, then we can bring in a couple of players to make up for it.

But... I would like to hear some sort of apology from him before the game at the weekend.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 08, 2015, 09:42:34 AM
I thought the club binned his new contract offer when he got charged with drink driving.

He was due to sign an improved contract, but that got put on hold after his previous misdemeanour. ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 08, 2015, 10:10:06 AM
In terms of contract he was on a youth contract which was paying £800 a week when he made his first team debut. This was quickly replaced with a £14k a week contract which is his current deal and as such he is likely to be the lowest paid member of the squad. However there has always been a question mark over his temperament and there is probably a view in the club that he needs careful management and they will try not to give him too much too soon so there is always a carrot of a better contract to be earned for good behavior.

This strategy seemed to be well founded given his tail off in form at the end of his first season and an attitude problem that lead to Morrison cuffing him round the ear. He started the following season well and there was a new and improved contract in the works as he progressed to the fringes of the full England squad. Obviously we then had the drink drive incident and an unauthorised interview which was pretty much a "come and get me" plea. The contract negotiations were quietly binned.

Having performed under Pulis I think the club would have been more than happy to give him a new deal but unfortunately the whole summer saga has derailed that. It is a mess we have a player who resents the way he has been treated but he has not earned the clubs trust because of his behavior. Getting Saido in a place where you would be comfortable committing to a long term big money contract that his talent deserves is something we may never do. The trouble is other people in football know this too hence the reluctance of Spurs to cough up a fee and the lack of interest from the top clubs.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on September 08, 2015, 10:10:45 AM
This guy has the two players as a loan only.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/09/07/report-west-brom-missed-out-on-fazio-and-townsend-pulis-left-fru/?

I've seen that a few times now. Only 1 Spurs player would have been allowed to join on loan. The other (I'm guessing Fazio) would have to be a permanent deal.

I would have jumped at that deal if I was Pulis. So I can see why he was left disappointed. Bringing in Townsend in the short term would mean the deal for Phillips wouldn't have been needed. That reported £5million up front could have gone to Marshall instead of getting Lindegaard on a free. Plus Pulis would have had the 2 center backs he had been chasing for weeks/months in Fazio and Evans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 08, 2015, 10:17:09 AM
I've seen that a few times now. Only 1 Spurs player would have been allowed to join on loan. The other (I'm guessing Fazio) would have to be a permanent deal.

I would have jumped at that deal if I was Pulis.
So I can see why he was left disappointed. Bringing in Townsend in the short term would mean the deal for Phillips wouldn't have been needed. That reported £5million up front could have gone to Marshall instead of getting Lindegaard on a free. Plus Pulis would have had the 2 center backs he had been chasing for weeks/months in Fazio and Evans.

All of our players have relegation clauses in their contracts which are then marked down wage wise should the much dreaded happen.

Fazio initially agreed to this relegation clause but threw a spanner in the works following his medical, and therefore became a none starter for us.

This was widely reported at the time of our initial interest.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pie on September 08, 2015, 12:51:53 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/9983149/saido-berahino-must-respect-west-brom-says-james-morrison

Mozza Interviewed on Berahino. Im sure he can "guide" him with another right hook  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on September 08, 2015, 04:45:47 PM
Mulumbu has just tweeted something about this.. Looks like there's a few in house problems
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 08, 2015, 04:48:39 PM
Yes he says,
they are all talking about respect, isn't that from both ends??

I Imagine he is saying punching someone isn't very respectful, not a lot of love for Mozza there methinks!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 08, 2015, 04:49:41 PM
I think there's a bit of bitterness coming our way. Saido should be showing this club a bit of respect, this club gave him the chance in the first place and has given him a few more since.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 08, 2015, 06:11:37 PM
Yes he says,
they are all talking about respect, isn't that from both ends??

I Imagine he is saying punching someone isn't very respectful, not a lot of love for Mozza there methinks!

Mulumbu may be a bit bitter at his own treatment by the club, let go when he had generally done well for the club, not altogether a surprise.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 08, 2015, 06:46:58 PM
Mulumbu has just tweeted something about this.. Looks like there's a few in house problems
And followed up with a further tweet confirming that it is not West Brom related but an issue with his National team  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 08, 2015, 06:58:37 PM
And followed up with a further tweet confirming that it is not West Brom related but an issue with his National team  ;)

Quite relieved at this news to, When I read it I just thought things are going to hit the fan this season as is the same with one team very year, Complete self destruction.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on September 08, 2015, 07:43:33 PM
Two sides to every story ....
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/berahino-deserves-praise-criticism-actions-102601562.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 08, 2015, 08:10:19 PM
Two sides to every story ....
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/berahino-deserves-praise-criticism-actions-102601562.html
The right and wrong side? This falls into the latter!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 08, 2015, 08:11:10 PM
Two sides to every story ....
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/berahino-deserves-praise-criticism-actions-102601562.html

Only skimmed it, fact remains if Saido hadn't tweeted and kept his issues in house then all of this could have been avoided. He has no one to blame for the criticism other than himself, in saying he wouldn't play for Peace again of course he is disrespecting the club, teammates and us supporters.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on September 08, 2015, 10:58:16 PM
Yes he says,
they are all talking about respect, isn't that from both ends??

I Imagine he is saying punching someone isn't very respectful, not a lot of love for Mozza there methinks!

Just checked twitter and it appears that Mulumbu retired from international football a few days ago so it makes sense that Mulumbu is speaking about the Congolise national football team. He has always had problems with him as they are so unprofessional.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 08, 2015, 11:19:32 PM
It will all be OK in the morning! 8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 09, 2015, 01:30:42 PM
So according to Garlick, Saido was doing his own negotiations with RG and JP.....poor lad...any wonder he had a twitter rant at the end of it (not excusing it though).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 09, 2015, 02:20:57 PM
Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3220144/Saido-Berahino-blame-failed-West-Brom-Tottenham.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3220144/Saido-Berahino-blame-failed-West-Brom-Tottenham.html)
According to the article, Aidy Ward had lined up bids from Man City and Newcastle, and would probably have got the deal across the line. Sounds like Stellar cocked it up, for whatever reason, by failing to engineer the situation to everyone's satisfaction.

No wonder Saido got frustrated when the move collapsed! He should have stayed with Ward. Now he's stuck with agents that are too close to Spurs, which may narrow his options. If Levy goes cold on dealing with Albion, then Saido is in a corner.

From said article:
"In his attempts to engineer a move, the striker took the decision to switch representation.

He left long-time agent Aidy Ward, who hit notoriety for his role in Raheem Sterling's £49million move to Manchester City this summer, to join the Stellar Group - a firm fronted by agents David Manasseh and Jonathan Barnett, who were at the centre of Gareth Bale's world-record transfer to Real Madrid.

The split with Ward was amicable but Berahino felt the change was necessary to facilitate his wish to leave the Hawthorns.

Indeed, Stellar are known to have close links with Tottenham, in particular Daniel Levy - seemingly paving the way for a move to north London".

Well, from what RG said during the Assembly interview it sounds like somebody is full of pooh somewhere along the line then.

Either he was represented or he wasn't.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on September 09, 2015, 02:29:58 PM
From said article:
"In his attempts to engineer a move, the striker took the decision to switch representation.

He left long-time agent Aidy Ward, who hit notoriety for his role in Raheem Sterling's £49million move to Manchester City this summer, to join the Stellar Group - a firm fronted by agents David Manasseh and Jonathan Barnett, who were at the centre of Gareth Bale's world-record transfer to Real Madrid.

The split with Ward was amicable but Berahino felt the change was necessary to facilitate his wish to leave the Hawthorns.

Indeed, Stellar are known to have close links with Tottenham, in particular Daniel Levy - seemingly paving the way for a move to north London".

Well, from what RG said during the Assembly interview it sounds like somebody is full of pooh somewhere along the line then.

Either he was represented or he wasn't.

I'm not sure what Garlick or the club would have to gain by lying about Berahino representing himself???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on September 09, 2015, 02:41:08 PM
I suppose it would be perfectly possible to retain an agent to check details/legal issues etc on the understanding that you do the face to face stuff... with your mum???!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 09, 2015, 02:53:27 PM
I'm not sure what Garlick or the club would have to gain by lying about Berahino representing himself???

I never said that RG was lying Ash, merely that somebody is at best being economical with the truth.
The reporter of the Daily Mail's linked article perhaps?

Either way it seems either pretty stupid or supremely arrogant of Saido to represent himself when negotiations will involve seasoned campaigners such as Peace and Levy.

Who knows, maybe Saido really is that arrogant and stupid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 09, 2015, 03:05:58 PM
According to RG, there weren't any negotiations to negotiate. WBA told Spurs on 4 occasions "Saido's not for sale". WBA have got to agree to sell first.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 09, 2015, 03:35:41 PM
According to RG, there weren't any negotiations to negotiate. WBA told Spurs on 4 occasions "Saido's not for sale". WBA have got to agree to sell first.

I know that, which is why I posted "when negotiations will involve" for if negotiations actually began, as opposed to "when negotiations did involve"...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 09, 2015, 03:54:53 PM
I know that, which is why I posted "when negotiations will involve" for if negotiations actually began, as opposed to "when negotiations did involve"...

Not wishing to be pedantic here, but if the terms of the sale could have been agreed between WBA & THFC, it was only Saido's personal terms which would have needed negotiating. Now I accept that he could have missed out on additional items in his personal contract, such as appearance & promotional rights & pensions, but it would have been perfectly possible for him to have negotiated his personal terms.

Where agents come into their own, is in acting as a go-between for the selling and buying clubs, & paving an amicable way for the sale to happen, that facility wasn't there in this case.

It seems to me that THFC tried to take advantage of that situation: JP (God bless him) played a straight bat  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on September 09, 2015, 04:42:52 PM
Two sides to every story ....
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/berahino-deserves-praise-criticism-actions-102601562.html
This doesn't tell both sides it just supports one, but to clarify a couple of points. I would suggest that "the vast majority of people" have not publicly criticised their boss. I know what would happen if I did.
It also talks a lot about his terrible experiences as a child, but didn't our wonderful club, fronted by Jeremy Peace, offer him the best possible way out of that situation.
To say that he didn't insult the club, the players or the fans is absolute guff. He threatened never to play again because he didn't get out, how more insulting can he be!
Still no apology either???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 09, 2015, 05:17:49 PM
One thing that's confusing me that i will discuss with my mates in the boozer on Saturday.

I saw an interview after or before maybe the Waford match i think were Pulis said he doesn't want saido to go and that he thinks it would be bad for hes development so i ask what changed hes mind to then wanting him to go ?.

If i had to have a stab in the dark i would say that pulis wanted to add maybe another winger maybe antonio or phillips to the team but surely letting him go on deadline day without anyone else coming in would of been a travesty as Garlick and Peace have said.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 09, 2015, 05:56:18 PM
One thing that's confusing me that i will discuss with my mates in the boozer on Saturday.

I saw an interview after or before maybe the Waford match i think were Pulis said he doesn't want saido to go and that he thinks it would be bad for hes development so i ask what changed hes mind to then wanting him to go ?.

If i had to have a stab in the dark i would say that pulis wanted to add maybe another winger maybe antonio or phillips to the team but surely letting him go on deadline day without anyone else coming in would of been a travesty as Garlick and Peace have said.

Pulis kept him out of the side to keep him injury free IMO pending a sale. I'd also like to know why Pulis came out with the garbage about signing the so called 'surprises'. If he was banking on Saido going to do this then why not just say exactly that or nothing at all. He got a lot of peoples hopes up and some may think that there was additional money in the kitty to spend without the sale of Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 09, 2015, 06:18:03 PM
Pulis kept him out of the side to keep him injury free IMO pending a sale. I'd also like to know why Pulis came out with the garbage about signing the so called 'surprises'. If he was banking on Saido going to do this then why not just say exactly that or nothing at all. He got a lot of peoples hopes up and some may think that there was additional money in the kitty to spend without the sale of Saido.

If he'd said we need to sell Saido to get the targets in we want then it would have led to dodgy bargaining to get Saido for Eff All.... oh, waiiiiitt..........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 09, 2015, 06:22:15 PM
I don't find fault with TP in all this; he said many times he thought the window should close at the start of the season which I wholeheartedly agree with. I'm glad too that JP had the stones to say no to Levy...

We are still seen as a pushover club and until we dig our heels in and stand up to the 'bigger' clubs we won't get anywhere.

I'm probably one of the very few who thinks we did good business in this window...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 09, 2015, 06:29:28 PM
I don't find fault with TP in all this; he said many times he thought the window should close at the start of the season which I wholeheartedly agree with. I'm glad too that JP had the stones to say no to Levy...

We are still seen as a pushover club and until we dig our heels in and stand up to the 'bigger' clubs we won't get anywhere.

I'm probably one of the very few who thinks we did good business in this window...

Time will tell but we haven't addressed many of the deficiencies within the squad. We've strengthened areas that arguably didn't need strengthening yet ignored the major problems. We seem to have bought in more squad fillers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 09, 2015, 06:35:09 PM
Time will tell but we haven't addressed many of the deficiencies within the squad. We've strengthened areas that arguably didn't need strengthening yet ignored the major problems. We seem to have bought in more squad fillers.

It's a fair comment well put  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 09, 2015, 06:48:51 PM
I don't find fault with TP in all this; he said many times he thought the window should close at the start of the season which I wholeheartedly agree with. I'm glad too that JP had the stones to say no to Levy...

We are still seen as a pushover club and until we dig our heels in and stand up to the 'bigger' clubs we won't get anywhere.

I'm probably one of the very few who thinks we did good business in this window...

I think we did good business but there is still work to be done but its not an easy fix for us and will take a couple of windows to complete. The money we do get for Saido will help as its not easy to move players on when no-one else wants them either. I guess if you asked Pulis what other areas he wanted to work on then there would be a few but given how close we are to our ceiling then not easy. No-one wanted Saido to go but the only way we could have done more was if Saido went.

As for Saido there was a comment earlier about his personal terms needing negotiating, I would bet those details had already been discussed and Saido knew exactly what was on offer hence the transfer request.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on September 09, 2015, 08:22:01 PM
I see the Saido transfer money to be a similar turning point that the Hughes deal was in 2001.

We are in need for a overhaul and the money will allow us to do it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Stroller on September 09, 2015, 08:43:56 PM
Why we should all celebrate Saido Berahino’s transfer tomfoolery, article:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/sep/09/why-we-should-celebrate-saido-berahino-and-his-transfer-tomfoolery#comment-59121565 (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/sep/09/why-we-should-celebrate-saido-berahino-and-his-transfer-tomfoolery#comment-59121565)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on September 09, 2015, 09:41:16 PM
Biggest load of rubbish I've ever read and I've read some rubbish.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 09, 2015, 10:46:55 PM
Not wishing to be pedantic here, but if the terms of the sale could have been agreed between WBA & THFC, it was only Saido's personal terms which would have needed negotiating. Now I accept that he could have missed out on additional items in his personal contract, such as appearance & promotional rights & pensions, but it would have been perfectly possible for him to have negotiated his personal terms.

Where agents come into their own, is in acting as a go-between for the selling and buying clubs, & paving an amicable way for the sale to happen, that facility wasn't there in this case.

It seems to me that THFC tried to take advantage of that situation: JP (God bless him) played a straight bat  ;)

No problem with JP's stance this end whatsoever and no need for you to explain the difference between terms of transfer and contract negotiations either, but thanks all the same.  :).

Regards Saido representing himself I would suggest that as I implied earlier, probably not in the lad's best interests.

'If' he is focussed then I trust him with a ball at his feet. However, the lad quite clearly can't even manage his own Tw@tter account, let alone an in depth transfer/contract negotiation at this juncture.

Saido may have a promising future career as an agent in his own right, but perhaps not just yet.
 ;).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 10, 2015, 08:00:50 AM
Had Saido got an agent there would be dark mutterings on here about their malign influence. However in this instance an agent might have helped Saido manage the situation better, and certainly persuaded his client not to hand in a transfer request when there was a wholly unacceptable bid from Spurs.

 The transfer request signals that the player wants to leave and is very much the last resort and should only be used when the two clubs are not that far apart but have hit an impasse. Saving the selling club 5% of the fee helps but it also undermines their negotiating position.

Equally the agent would have done the leg work and talked to the club the whole thing is a lot less personal. Saido could have got on with playing and if the deal fell through could have trotted out the line that he was flattered by Spurs interest but is happy at the Hawthorns.

Agents are often painted as the villains of the piece but having players doing things for themselves seems to be a lot worse certainly in this case.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on September 10, 2015, 09:19:02 AM
Why we should all celebrate Saido Berahino’s transfer tomfoolery, article:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/sep/09/why-we-should-celebrate-saido-berahino-and-his-transfer-tomfoolery#comment-59121565 (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/sep/09/why-we-should-celebrate-saido-berahino-and-his-transfer-tomfoolery#comment-59121565)

Shocking article!

"And yet, as someone who struggles to feel offended by almost anything a footballer does, with a few exceptions, I find myself intensely relaxed about Berahino tweeting something drama-queeny..."

So as someone who does not get offended, you find yourself sat their unoffended?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 10, 2015, 09:19:22 AM
Had Saido got an agent there would be dark mutterings on here about their malign influence. However in this instance an agent might have helped Saido manage the situation better, and certainly persuaded his client not to hand in a transfer request when there was a wholly unacceptable bid from Spurs.

 The transfer request signals that the player wants to leave and is very much the last resort and should only be used when the two clubs are not that far apart but have hit an impasse. Saving the selling club 5% of the fee helps but it also undermines their negotiating position.

Equally the agent would have done the leg work and talked to the club the whole thing is a lot less personal. Saido could have got on with playing and if the deal fell through could have trotted out the line that he was flattered by Spurs interest but is happy at the Hawthorns.

Agents are often painted as the villains of the piece but having players doing things for themselves seems to be a lot worse certainly in this case.

Saidi does have an agent - Jonathan Barnett's outfit who also acted for Bale and Modric when they left Spurs.  That agency has a good relationship with Spurs.  He is also liable to pay Aidy Ward, his former agent, a cut of anything which would have come up before
November when the notice period expires under that contract.   I suspect that will include a cut of Saido's imminent new contract.

It is a misconception that Saido didn't have an active agent while all this was going on. He was being advised all the way.



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbastrollers on September 10, 2015, 10:08:35 AM
Saidi does have an agent - Jonathan Barnett's outfit who also acted for Bale and Modric when they left Spurs.  That agency has a good relationship with Spurs.  He is also liable to pay Aidy Ward, his former agent, a cut of anything which would have come up before
November when the notice period expires under that contract.   I suspect that will include a cut of Saido's imminent new contract.

It is a misconception that Saido didn't have an active agent while all this was going on. He was being advised all the way.
Well that worked out well -  Saido could not have done without their advise?!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 10, 2015, 10:19:57 AM
Gets even better!

Quote
As Spurs tried to sign Saido Berahino, the striker’s driver left him stranded to sign for Coventry



By Benjamin Newman
September 10, 2015
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As Spurs tried to sign Saido Berahino, the strikers driver left him stranded to sign for Coventry
The Coventry Telegraph have revealed a brilliant story regarding Saido Berahino’s failed move from West Brom to Tottenham on transfer deadline day.

Amid all the commotion of Tottenham’s repeated bidding for the 22-year-old Baggie, plus Berahino’s crazy tweet claiming he’d never play for Jeremy Peace ever again, the footballer had pressing mobility problems on deadline day.


Berahino is currently banned from driving after he admitted to drink-driving earlier in the year. According, the forward has a driver, Lateef Elford-Alliyu.

In a twist, as Spurs were trying to sign Berahino, Elford-Alliyu was signing for Coventry City.

The Coventry Telegraph claim that Elford-Alliyu dropped Berahino off at training in the morning, before he was given “permission” to drive on to Coventry in the player’s Range Rover Sport to sign on with the Sky Blues.

As the day unfolded, Elford-Alliyu received a frantic call from his former Baggies team-mate when it looked like Berahino could move to Tottenham. The article closed out by saying:

It left Elford-Alliyu in the tricky position of trying to conclude his own deal while believing he could jeopardise his employer’s £25m dream move.

In the end, however, Berahino rang to say that no permission had been forthcoming and Alliyu was free to seal his own deal.


http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/transfers/as-spurs-tried-to-sign-saido-berahino-the-strikers-driver-left-him-stranded-to-sign-for-coventry/? (http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/transfers/as-spurs-tried-to-sign-saido-berahino-the-strikers-driver-left-him-stranded-to-sign-for-coventry/?)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 10, 2015, 10:22:11 AM
Why we should all celebrate Saido Berahino’s transfer tomfoolery, article:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/sep/09/why-we-should-celebrate-saido-berahino-and-his-transfer-tomfoolery#comment-59121565 (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/sep/09/why-we-should-celebrate-saido-berahino-and-his-transfer-tomfoolery#comment-59121565)

How do these hacks get jobs?!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on September 10, 2015, 10:25:11 AM
Why we should all celebrate Saido Berahino’s transfer tomfoolery, article:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/sep/09/why-we-should-celebrate-saido-berahino-and-his-transfer-tomfoolery#comment-59121565 (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/sep/09/why-we-should-celebrate-saido-berahino-and-his-transfer-tomfoolery#comment-59121565)
What absolute guff!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 10, 2015, 10:28:15 AM
Gets even better!


http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/transfers/as-spurs-tried-to-sign-saido-berahino-the-strikers-driver-left-him-stranded-to-sign-for-coventry/? (http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/transfers/as-spurs-tried-to-sign-saido-berahino-the-strikers-driver-left-him-stranded-to-sign-for-coventry/?)

LOVE that!!! P155 up and brewery springs to mind....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2015, 10:40:10 AM
Probably saved him from a sky interview in the Spurs car park
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on September 10, 2015, 10:51:24 AM
Still no apology from the scrote either. Shouldn't be near the 1st team without one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 10, 2015, 11:36:51 AM
Probably saved him from a sky interview in the Spurs car park
Still no apology from the scrote either. Shouldn't be near the 1st team without one.

Both true I think.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 17GD on September 10, 2015, 04:09:44 PM
All that money and can't afford a taxi or train to London!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2015, 05:12:32 PM
Still no apology from the scrote either. Shouldn't be near the 1st team without one.
Pulis seemed to be at pains to point out that Saido's issue was with JP not with the club, players or supporters.
Personally think we should back Pulis' handling on this - if he chooses to pick Saido Saturday or he's on the bench, just get behind the team. Don't think it should go to the Odemwingie category ...no shouts of 'Berahino is a w****r'
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 10, 2015, 05:23:16 PM
Saidi does have an agent - Jonathan Barnett's outfit who also acted for Bale and Modric when they left Spurs.  That agency has a good relationship with Spurs.  He is also liable to pay Aidy Ward, his former agent, a cut of anything which would have come up before
November when the notice period expires under that contract.   I suspect that will include a cut of Saido's imminent new contract.

It is a misconception that Saido didn't have an active agent while all this was going on. He was being advised all the way.

Then why did Garlick say he didn't have representation or did I mishear what he said on the Q&A video?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 10, 2015, 05:28:20 PM
Getting boring this fiasco now role on Saturday game of footy being played out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on September 10, 2015, 05:42:51 PM
Hope Saido has it in him to play some football Saturday, might need taking out the limelight and slowly reintroduced to the team. Pulis will have to be careful with him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sted1990 on September 10, 2015, 05:54:36 PM
He will be booed on Saturday imo...will be interesting to see if he reacts
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 10, 2015, 06:49:20 PM
He will be booed on Saturday imo...will be interesting to see if he reacts

I bet his mom's in the dug out just in case
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Cleobury_WBA on September 10, 2015, 09:41:01 PM
You just know he is going to come off the bench on Saturday and score the winner!

When he has scored a couple of goals (hopefully also against Villa next week!) I'd be surprised if there was any booing. At the end of the day, we need him scoring.

I think he'll be gone in January, if he can score 4 or 5 before then then I'll take it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 11, 2015, 07:41:39 AM
Then why did Garlick say he didn't have representation or did I mishear what he said on the Q&A video?

Garlick said he represented himself in his discussions with us.  It doesn't mean that he didn't have an agent advising him or representing him in any discussions with Spurs (which legally shouldn't have been happening anyway unti, the two clubs had agreed a fee).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 11, 2015, 08:50:41 AM
Garlick said he represented himself in his discussions with us.  It doesn't mean that he didn't have an agent advising him or representing him in any discussions with Spurs (which legally shouldn't have been happening anyway unti, the two clubs had agreed a fee).

The "tapping up rule" is a joke and more frequently observed in the breach which is why nobody ever complains directly to the FA about (whining in the media doesn't count) If he has representation for the purpose of the deal it would have made sense for the agent to handle both sets of discussions but whatever the kid's an idiot and there is a point that there is no level of help can rescue him from his own stupidity.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on September 11, 2015, 10:19:17 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34218827 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34218827)

"West Brom manager Tony Pulis says striker Saido Berahino is available and in contention for selection for Saturday's match with Southampton."

He may be the only fit striker!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 11, 2015, 10:35:47 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34218827 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34218827)

"West Brom manager Tony Pulis says striker Saido Berahino is available and in contention for selection for Saturday's match with Southampton."

He may be the only fit striker!
And lambert
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on September 11, 2015, 10:51:43 AM
And lambert

Supposedly (and unbelievably) Lambert still isn't fully fit as he was so unfit at Liverpool
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 11, 2015, 01:18:22 PM
Supposedly (and unbelievably) Lambert still isn't fully fit as he was so unfit at Liverpool


I blame Lambert unprofessionalism for allow himself to fall so far behind in his fitness >:( 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 11, 2015, 01:18:43 PM
I was furious with him, but, I have calmed down a bit now, I will not boo him provided he gives 100% on the pitch, if he does that, it's hard not to show him some support.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on September 11, 2015, 01:29:40 PM
I was furious with him, but, I have calmed down a bit now, I will not boo him provided he gives 100% on the pitch, if he does that, it's hard not to show him some support.
I will find it very easy not to show him any support. I stick by what i have said before he shouldnt be anywhere near the squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 11, 2015, 01:34:23 PM

I blame Lambert unprofessionalism for allow himself to fall so far behind in his fitness >:(

There's a big difference between being 'fit' and being 'match fit'. It's not his fault he didn't get much game time at Liverpool. The thing that angers me is the fact we've bought in yet another player who is not ready to hit the ground running.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 11, 2015, 02:11:58 PM
As a team or a club I don't see what we gain by giving Saido abuse and as such I won't boo him. If he is in the team I support the team if the club is bigger than anyone player then our support of the the team shouldn't  be diminished by the inclusion of any given player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on September 11, 2015, 02:17:20 PM
As a team or a club I don't see what we gain by giving Saido abuse and as such I won't boo him. If he is in the team I support the team if the club is bigger than anyone player then our support of the the team shouldn't  be diminished by the inclusion of any given player.

Agreed, I don't like what he has done one bit BUT booing him can only have detrimental effects. When Odemwingie came on as a sub and got boo'd, he ended up just shooting wildly out of frustration from 30 yards.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 11, 2015, 02:23:30 PM
It will be interesting to see the reaction if he comes off the bench and scores.... both his reaction and the crowd......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on September 11, 2015, 02:51:57 PM
It will be interesting to see the reaction if he comes off the bench and scores.... both his reaction and the crowd......

I'm not going to be there, but if I were, and he scored...well I wouldn't celebrate out of respect to his desire to be playing for someone else.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 11, 2015, 03:19:56 PM
Garlick said he represented himself in his discussions with us.  It doesn't mean that he didn't have an agent advising him or representing him in any discussions with Spurs (which legally shouldn't have been happening anyway unti, the two clubs had agreed a fee).

I don't think it was related to  Saido but Garlick also said on that video that players are almost getting agents to compete against each other to get the best deal for them without actually being signed up to them. He also said that with the timing of the transfer request coinciding with the first bid from Spurs for people can read into that what they like so to speak.

I personally think its clear he had someone in his ear but he may not be officially signed up with anyone just yet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 11, 2015, 03:38:34 PM
If they have someone acting for them but not in an official capacity does that mean they unofficial person can legally hold talks with Spurs?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 11, 2015, 03:43:19 PM
The world of football is very murky. They won't have done anything official but nothing stopping them discussing potential figures with someone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WoysWunderful on September 11, 2015, 04:16:39 PM
Am I the only one who hasn't taken this personally? As far as I'm concerned as soon as he plays again this saga is over and he's back to being the best Albion player I've seen in my lifetime (24 years old)

I've said much worse things on social media about my work, as I imagine a few on here have
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 11, 2015, 04:55:56 PM
Am I the only one who hasn't taken this personally? As far as I'm concerned as soon as he plays again this saga is over and he's back to being the best Albion player I've seen in my lifetime (24 years old)

I've said much worse things on social media about my work, as I imagine a few on here have
With all due respect, I don't think the media give a toss about what we say about work.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on September 11, 2015, 05:16:02 PM
I bet James mcLean think's it's the best thing that could have happened.  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on September 11, 2015, 06:27:03 PM
I'm not going to be there, but if I were, and he scored...well I wouldn't celebrate out of respect to his desire to be playing for someone else.
I wouldn't care who scored to be honest as long as we win. one question though..... , if he scores the 90th min winner against villa next week will you celebrate????  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on September 11, 2015, 06:39:37 PM
Am I the only one who hasn't taken this personally? As far as I'm concerned as soon as he plays again this saga is over and he's back to being the best Albion player I've seen in my lifetime (24 years old)

I've said much worse things on social media about my work, as I imagine a few on here have
mate I aint being funny here but if he is the best Albion player you have ever seen I really do feel sorry for you. And I am saying that because of all the truly great Albion players I have seen over the 50 years I have been going to the games. He doesn't deserve to mentioned in the same breath!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 11, 2015, 06:51:34 PM
mate I aint being funny here but if he is the best Albion player you have ever seen I really do feel sorry for you. And I am saying that because of all the truly great Albion players I have seen over the 50 years I have been going to the games. He doesn't deserve to mentioned in the same breath!!!

Was thinking the same thing myself, surely we've had more accomplished players in the last 14 or so years; Phillips, Kanu, Odemwingie etc.  Don't get me wrong, Berahino is a quality footballer and has the potential to carve himself a fantastic career but we've had far superior players in the last decade or so.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bry on September 11, 2015, 06:54:58 PM
Am I the only one who hasn't taken this personally? As far as I'm concerned as soon as he plays again this saga is over and he's back to being the best Albion player I've seen in my lifetime (24 years old)

I've said much worse things on social media about my work, as I imagine a few on here have
I agree with you mate. Perhaps to all those on Berahino's case he should have been a bit smarter and said all the things Delph did I love the club blah blah. If he didn't get the move no one would have been the wiser if he did he wouldn't care a jot. Perhaps he should just apologize with his fingers crossed behind his back then bugger off in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on September 11, 2015, 07:16:49 PM
mate I aint being funny here but if he is the best Albion player you have ever seen I really do feel sorry for you. And I am saying that because of all the truly great Albion players I have seen over the 50 years I have been going to the games. He doesn't deserve to mentioned in the same breath!!!

I couldn't agree more. Berahino has the potential to be a good player, but that's all it is at the moment.
In the last few years Odemwingie was streets ahead of Berahino, and going back a bit further Kevin Phillips was a far superior finisher, and also contributed more outside the box.  At 24 years of age surely you must remember those two.

It's such a shame that people who think the likes of Berahino are top players can't go back to see the likes of Cunningham, Regis, Bomber, the King, Chippy Clark etc etc, and not just short youtube clips, but seeing them live in full flow, on a muddy pitch, when the likes of Norman Hunter and Chopper Harris were after them
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albionden on September 11, 2015, 07:51:30 PM
I couldn't agree more. Berahino has the potential to be a good player, but that's all it is at the moment.
In the last few years Odemwingie was streets ahead of Berahino, and going back a bit further Kevin Phillips was a far superior finisher, and also contributed more outside the box.  At 24 years of age surely you must remember those two.

It's such a shame that people who think the likes of Berahino are top players can't go back to see the likes of Cunningham, Regis, Bomber, the King, Chippy Clark etc etc, and not just short youtube clips, but seeing them live in full flow, on a muddy pitch, when the likes of Norman Hunter and Chopper Harris were after them


add willie Johnston to that .....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on September 11, 2015, 08:11:12 PM
Am I the only one who hasn't taken this personally? As far as I'm concerned as soon as he plays again this saga is over and he's back to being the best Albion player I've seen in my lifetime (24 years old)

I've said much worse things on social media about my work, as I imagine a few on here have

At 24 surely you must remember the likes of Lukaku, Super Kev and Odemwingie all Three of those were streets ahead of Berahinio.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on September 11, 2015, 08:29:51 PM
Needs to put up or shut up now...only one full season at the top level and still an awful lot to prove until he has actually made it!

At the moment he is only as good as his last game and all I can remenber is THAT miss at Vicarage Road...even Mother Berahino could have tucked that one away... :-X

Just do it and then do one... ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 11, 2015, 08:32:05 PM
Has the little scrote issued a formal appology yet or is that seen as being beneath him, and as for those of you saying 'he's the best Albion player you've ever seen'  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on September 11, 2015, 10:41:11 PM
hes the best player ive seen in the last 2 years,fantastic finisher 2 major flaws he has at the moment he is rubbish in the air,and cant really beat a man,not as good as odenwingie was
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 11, 2015, 11:00:09 PM
I've never got this 'best player I've ever seen play for Albion' come from people my age. He's nothing special at all, and he's certainly not likeable.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 11, 2015, 11:56:32 PM
hes the best player ive seen in the last 2 years,fantastic finisher 2 major flaws he has at the moment he is rubbish in the air,and cant really beat a man,not as good as odenwingie was
So what you're saying is he's rubbish at everything apart from finishing. Might explain the lack of interest this summer. :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on September 12, 2015, 12:08:37 AM
I think it's a bit petty saying Odemwingie was far better than Berahino, as how I remember it, he was of a similar quality. In their best seasons, Odemwingie got 15 goals, Berahino got 14...not really much in it.

What I can remember however is that when Odemwingie was played on the wing, he did not defend and was lazy, whereas Berahino is a fairly useful, hard-working winger.

I find it a bit laughable that some people are saying how Berahino hasn't been one of our better players in the past 20+ years. In my lifetime the only players who I can think of on his level for us have been Odemwingie, Phillips and Lukaku. It's a pretty good bracket to be in with, and we do still need him, or at least the money. Making out that he's borderline average is wrong, he's a very good player hence the money that is associated with him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 12, 2015, 07:49:03 AM
 >:(
So what you're saying is he's rubbish at everything apart from finishing. Might explain the lack of interest this summer. :D

I'd question his finishing as well tbh, I can think of two 'sitters' he's missed so far this season.
A true £25m striker would have scored the header against Watford and slammed the one he flunked against City.
I think we're just desperate for a hero, hopefully Rondon can fill that void
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 12, 2015, 08:01:18 AM
>:(
I'd question his finishing as well tbh, I can think of two 'sitters' he's missed so far this season.
A true £25m striker would have scored the header against Watford and slammed the one he flunked against City.
I think we're just desperate for a hero, hopefully Rondon can fill that void
All strikers miss chances even sitters....Lakaku £28m doesn't bury every chance that comes his way and he's missed some sitters in his time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on September 12, 2015, 08:15:23 AM
>:(
I'd question his finishing as well tbh, I can think of two 'sitters' he's missed so far this season.
A true £25m striker would have scored the header against Watford and slammed the one he flunked against City.
I think we're just desperate for a hero, hopefully Rondon can fill that void

If Rondon has a good season this year he will be pushing to move to a "big" club next summer, wonder what his release clause is?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on September 12, 2015, 10:45:36 AM
All strikers miss chances even sitters....Lakaku £28m doesn't bury every chance that comes his way and he's missed some sitters in his time.


Correct. I've seen Messi miss from about two yards out more than once and no-one can tell me he doesn't score enough goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on September 12, 2015, 10:57:38 AM
Interesting that he has not been picked to start today. Perhaps his attitude is still not right and no apology, so perhaps not too surprising
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 12, 2015, 11:06:10 AM
Interesting that he has not been picked to start today. Perhaps his attitude is still not right and no apology, so perhaps not too surprising

Is he definitely not starting today?

When it comes to the lack of an apology he probably doesn't even think he has anything to apologise for.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sted1990 on September 12, 2015, 11:11:46 AM
Interesting that he has not been picked to start today. Perhaps his attitude is still not right and no apology, so perhaps not too surprising

How do you know he's not starting?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbasoprano on September 12, 2015, 11:59:39 AM
I think it's a bit petty saying Odemwingie was far better than Berahino, as how I remember it, he was of a similar quality. In their best seasons, Odemwingie got 15 goals, Berahino got 14...not really much in it.

What I can remember however is that when Odemwingie was played on the wing, he did not defend and was lazy, whereas Berahino is a fairly useful, hard-working winger.

I find it a bit laughable that some people are saying how Berahino hasn't been one of our better players in the past 20+ years. In my lifetime the only players who I can think of on his level for us have been Odemwingie, Phillips and Lukaku. It's a pretty good bracket to be in with, and we do still need him, or at least the money. Making out that he's borderline average is wrong, he's a very good player hence the money that is associated with him.

Odemwingie could change games and frighten teams all on his own, I don't ever get the sense Saido does or ever could do that.

I hope he comes out and apologies, then gets his head down and starts again. I can't see our fans letting him now though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sted1990 on September 12, 2015, 12:16:32 PM
Odemwingie could change games and frighten teams all on his own, I don't ever get the sense Saido does or ever could do that.

I hope he comes out and apologies, then gets his head down and starts again. I can't see our fans letting him now though.

He should have apologised by now, but the fact the he hasn't doesn't suprise me
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 12, 2015, 12:25:56 PM
What's the general consensus as to how we treat the little ball bag?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 12, 2015, 12:35:57 PM
What's the general consensus as to how we treat the little ball bag?

He's bound to get some stick from supporters. Personally I'll be ignoring him and I hope that any stick he does get it happens before kick off just for people to get it out of their system, getting on his back during the game and for a while wont be helping the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 12, 2015, 12:51:42 PM
He said that he didn't want to play for JP, he didn't say that he didn't want to play for WBA.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 12, 2015, 12:53:06 PM
Is he definitely not starting today?

When it comes to the lack of an apology he probably doesn't even think he has anything to apologise for.

He probably doesn't, dopey get. It would be the VERY best thing for his career if he did though - well, that and actually putting a shift in from now on until, say, January!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 12, 2015, 12:54:18 PM
Never mind that he doesn't want to play for JP. Surely not taking us into consideration, he should be out ot play for himself!

It's his career that will go down the pooper if he doesn't get a grip.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 12, 2015, 12:54:56 PM
What would you do if...big IF he apologised over the speaker system?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on September 12, 2015, 01:03:41 PM
What would you do if...big IF he apologised over the speaker system?


That would take real balls and make such a statement. I'd admire him if he did that. He won't though, he's too arrogant you can see it a mile off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on September 12, 2015, 01:18:58 PM
Just watching Stones for Everton against Chelsea great game from him....can't remember any stupid comments from that lad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: labaggies on September 12, 2015, 04:28:51 PM
A standing ovation from some supporters for Berahino!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2015, 05:24:11 PM
A standing ovation from some supporters for Berahino,

 Cannot afford to ostracise him like we did Odemwingie. Anyone who boos Saido cannot possibly complain about the quality of Pulis' football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 12, 2015, 05:27:50 PM
Berahino treats the fans like mugs again then gets a heros reception when he comes on. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on September 12, 2015, 05:30:59 PM
Nailed on to score winner at Villa

Get yeah money on it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 12, 2015, 05:33:19 PM
At least Saido can run and control the ball.
The only "anti" Pulis method player on the pitch.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on September 12, 2015, 05:37:35 PM
Berahino treats the fans like mugs again then gets a heros reception when he comes on. Unbelievable.
Completely pointless booing him as he is this club's major asset. His record  shows he's lethal as a goalscorer, something we don't know yet about Rondon in the Prem League. If we end up alienating him further, then it would have been  pointless trying to keep him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 12, 2015, 05:38:51 PM
Completely pointless booing him as he is this club's major asset. His record  shows he's lethal as a goalscorer, something we don't know yet about Rondon in the Prem League. If we end up alienating him further, then it would have been  pointless trying to keep him.
Too much sense there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 12, 2015, 05:57:13 PM
He has acted like a mong but. He has played two good seasons for us and his goals kept us up.
And he is on £14k a week for a Prem 22 year old?
So all in all it is a bit this and that.
And I for one will support him if he is doing what he employed to do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 12, 2015, 06:01:30 PM
He has acted like a mong but. He has played two good seasons for us and his goals kept us up.
And he is on £14k a week for a Prem 22 year old?
So all in all it is a bit this and that.
And I for one will support him if he is doing what he employed to do.
We are Baggies. Not individual performers since the likes of Astle, Brown, Hope, Cunningham, Willie and Super Bob etc.
They were players who wanted wanted to play for us and show how football and the Albion mixed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 12, 2015, 06:19:57 PM
Based on what I saw today, can see why he wanted to go!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 12, 2015, 06:28:14 PM
Based on what I saw today, can see why he wanted to go!

I don't think anyone blames him for wanting a move. But it's how he handled himself that's the issue.

I can't imagine any of the players enjoy playing for us at the moment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 12, 2015, 06:30:25 PM
A standing ovation from some supporters for Berahino,

you obviously wasnt at the game then, the whole stadium stood up and applauded him!
nah, mature ;) cant slate saido for being immature then expecting the whole of our fanbase being immature and booing someone who plays for us.
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on September 12, 2015, 06:30:29 PM
I wouldnt of boo'ed him anyway, i wasnt planning on giving him any reaction but i think he got a better reaction than most thought because the fans had had the life sucked out of us and he gave a lift as at least he can do something exciting on the pitch, even if Pulis probably tells him not too!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2015, 06:34:04 PM
I wouldnt of boo'ed him anyway, i wasnt planning on giving him any reaction but i think he got a better reaction than most thought because the fans had had the life sucked out of us and he gave a lift as at least he can do something exciting on the pitch, even if Pulis probably tells him not too!


I couldn't wait for him to get on within 10 minutes of the game starting, at least he could control the ball.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on September 12, 2015, 06:44:01 PM
you obviously wasnt at the game then, the whole stadium stood up and applauded him!
nah, mature ;) cant slate saido for being immature then expecting the whole of our fanbase being immature and booing someone who plays for us.

 no they didn't, I for one and all the people around me didn't , we didn't boo either we just chose to ignore the tw!t.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2015, 06:45:15 PM
you obviously wasnt at the game then, the whole stadium stood up and applauded him!
 nah, mature ;) cant slate saido for being immature then expecting the whole of our fanbase being immature and booing someone who plays for us.

No they didn't, it was a mixed reception all round, some booed, some stood and cheered, a few started singing his name and plenty stood or sat in silence especially once Lambert had gone off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 12, 2015, 06:48:53 PM
Clearly sent out a message today to the overpaid pricks who play for (or will play for) our club. Act like a dick, get a heroes welcome. I didn't boo him, I didn't applaud him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 12, 2015, 06:55:38 PM
Clearly sent out a message today to the overpaid pricks who play for (or will play for) our club. Act like a dick, get a heroes welcome. I didn't boo him, I didn't applaud him.

I agree. The reception he recieved was shocking to be frank after his behaviour. But hey, our fans embark on a mexican wave and the conga when relegated.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 12, 2015, 07:00:18 PM
We are Baggies. Not individual performers since the likes of Astle, Brown, Hope, Cunningham, Willie and Super Bob etc.
They were players who wanted wanted to play for us and show how football and the Albion mixed.
Yes but there is no point in getting on his back.
He and we need him to perform.
We get the cash he gets a move.
Best option all round. If he gets some goals all good.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on September 12, 2015, 07:01:29 PM
can understand not booing him but to sing his name was cringe worthy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on September 12, 2015, 07:05:15 PM
can understand not booing him but to sing his name was cringe worthy.
Yes, definitely. I think only a few booed, which is their choice. But singing his name? It only fuels the ego. He disrespected the club, so why did he get a heroes welcome?!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbako on September 12, 2015, 07:06:17 PM
There's quite a few analogies you could make for some of our fans' reaction. I suppose it's like your missus cheating on you and then welcoming her back with roses and a slap up meal. Most peculiar.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 12, 2015, 07:28:37 PM
By the time Berahino arrived we were just desperate for something anything to cheer. Nothing to be gained by booing him but I was surprised by the crowds response
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbako on September 12, 2015, 07:34:53 PM
By the time Berahino arrived we were just desperate for something anything to cheer. Nothing to be gained by booing him but I was surprised by the crowds response

I completely agree. That said, cheering him is almost saidomasochistic...sorry.

I would have loved him to come on to deathly silence. That would have been an incredibly powerful message to him and other parasites that are infesting this great game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 12:20:03 AM
Again cheering him had nothing to do with the state of the game or him deserving a hero's welcome. It was to drown out the loud and pathetic boos. Purely reactionary.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on September 13, 2015, 08:14:28 AM
I would never boo one of our players during the game but singing his name was embarrassing, fans of every club I know are ridiculing us and saying we have no respect for ourselves.... Shameful.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 13, 2015, 08:32:41 AM
I didn't applaud him, I didn't boo him.
He's nothing to me!
The fans that stood and applauded him have about as much respect for themselves as Berahino does.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albertbaggie on September 13, 2015, 08:42:18 AM
Absolute joke that people applauded this guy who has still not apologised  to supporters  and  would have done so by now if he had any intention of doing so.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tucka9 on September 13, 2015, 09:44:11 AM
As he was walking off at the full time whistle he was muttering and ffing and blinding, the lad has no respect.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on September 13, 2015, 10:20:32 AM
Set to snub a new contract  ? ...........

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/792092871?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on September 13, 2015, 11:04:27 AM
I was glad he come on but didn't clap or sing his name.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 13, 2015, 11:08:22 AM
Amazing reaction to a bloke who doesn't want to be here.

No point booing odemwingie when he returns to hawthorns.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 13, 2015, 11:55:20 AM
There was a bit of 'heated debate' between anti and pro Berahino factions near me in the Smeth'.

Glad to say that as far as I am aware it did not come to blows.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on September 13, 2015, 12:10:35 PM
As somebody has already points out some will boo Odemwingie and sing Berahino's name which sums it up
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 13, 2015, 12:15:05 PM
Can we cut the slagging off and petty name calling of other fans please, keep that for Facebook and the like, not on here. Any more "happy clapper" and "doom monger" stuff along with "morons" or "divvys" will be gone
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 13, 2015, 12:18:13 PM
For someone who had a few days off and during that time had apparently learnt some 'respect' it was lovely to see him sprint straight off the pitch and down the tunnel with no acknowledgment to the supporters who, on the whole, had given him a warm welcome.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 13, 2015, 12:30:26 PM
I couldn't bare to look at him at half time, parading about on his own playing keepy uppy whereas the others were playing keep ball.

I ignored him but couldn't believe my ears when i heard folk singing his name. If that is our approach we may as well re-sign Odemwingie and forget that happened too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on September 13, 2015, 03:15:07 PM
I didn't see it because I had fallen asleep by then,but some fans by me said that fletcher could have played him in in the final minute but elected not to do so,i applauded when he came on[my mrs woke me up] as I think if we him encourage him he will try and score goals.ie why not use him,like he uses us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 03:52:47 PM
I didn't see it because I had fallen asleep by then,but some fans by me said that fletcher could have played him in in the final minute but elected not to do so,i applauded when he came on[my mrs woke me up] as I think if we him encourage him he will try and score goals.ie why not use him,like he uses us

Fletcher was just not good enough, the passage of play you describe he held the ball too long them passed to Rondon instead, a decent attacking midfielder would have put Berahino through, nothing to do with choosing not to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 13, 2015, 04:01:13 PM
I didn't see it because I had fallen asleep by then,but some fans by me said that fletcher could have played him in in the final minute but elected not to do so,i applauded when he came on[my mrs woke me up] as I think if we him encourage him he will try and score goals.ie why not use him,like he uses us
Gardner had the chance to lay him in pretty much unmarked yet chose to shoot himself , I suspect that frustrated Saido too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 13, 2015, 04:04:16 PM
I can't believe our fans reaction to him. Anybody who applauded him yesterday, congratulations, you've completely sold your soul to the Premier League devil.

Who is probably Fred the Red.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 04:05:28 PM
I can't believe our fans reaction to him. Anybody who applauded him yesterday, congratulations, you've completely sold your soul to the Premier League devil.

Who is probably Fred the Red.

Hardly, we've risen above it all for the good of the CLUB. What happened with Odemwingie set us back 2 seasons, what was that Einstein quote?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 13, 2015, 04:21:10 PM
Hardly, we've risen above it all for the good of the CLUB. What happened with Odemwingie set us back 2 seasons, what was that Einstein quote?

He should have been given the same message that Odemwingie had; that his attitude would not be tolerated. Whether that was with silence or booing is what should have been the debate.

The best thing for our club would be that Saido gets a rocket and reacts to it, plays well and scores goals; or that we sell him for a lot of money. With everything he has heard from Pulis and our fans over the last 48 hours, he should now know it doesn't matter how much of a cock he acts, or how little respect he shows the people who pay his wages, he gets away with it.

Has he even been fined for his tweets? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2015, 04:55:55 PM
He should have been given the same message that Odemwingie had; that his attitude would not be tolerated. Whether that was with silence or booing is what should have been the debate.

The best thing for our club would be that Saido gets a rocket and reacts to it, plays well and scores goals; or that we sell him for a lot of money. With everything he has heard from Pulis and our fans over the last 48 hours, he should now know it doesn't matter how much of a cock he acts, or how little respect he shows the people who pay his wages, he gets away with it.

Has he even been fined for his tweets? I don't think so.

Because that worked out so well?  :-\

Think it's football supporters that need to get the message. This is a job, they don't care about the clubs, stop getting misty eyed about the past when it wasn't a business and get on with supporting the shirt, whoever is in it. I'll bawl the likes of Gardner out on here, but when he comes down my corner of the Brummie to take a corner he gets full support.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 13, 2015, 05:00:45 PM
Any one see him rolling up the leg of his shorts to hide the badge? Also did he lift his shirt up at full time to obscure the badge? Both being reported/suggested elsewhere
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on September 13, 2015, 05:02:34 PM
Because that worked out so well?  :-\

Think it's football supporters that need to get the message. This is a job, they don't care about the clubs, stop getting misty eyed about the past when it wasn't a business and get on with supporting the shirt, whoever is in it. I'll bawl the likes of Gardner out on here, but when he comes down my corner of the Brummie to take a corner he gets full support.
Not often I say this about your posts Jacko but this one is a excellent post. :o Footballers and loyalty are a rare commodity.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 13, 2015, 08:18:41 PM
For someone who had a few days off and during that time had apparently learnt some 'respect' it was lovely to see him sprint straight off the pitch and down the tunnel with no acknowledgment to the supporters who, on the whole, had given him a warm welcome.
I dont think him clapping the crowd would help?
I think everyone has an opinion , but it is all based on what people THINK they know and what they have been told.
for me i still dont actually see what he has done that his so bad although I am clever enough to understand that some fans dont like .

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on September 13, 2015, 08:21:44 PM
I can't believe our fans reaction to him. Anybody who applauded him yesterday, congratulations, you've completely sold your soul to the Premier League devil.

Who is probably Fred the Red.
its about time that our fans accepted the fact that once we get a good player especially a goal scorer if he is wanted by bigger club he is going,thats the way the satanic premier league works,just ask southanpton,i for one will never boo an albion player,yes berahino is a bell end but just wants to better himself[there cant be many forwards who would relish playing behind the ball,feeding off scraps all season],I applauded him purely to encourage him to score a goal,his first few touches were the only decent bit of football I witnessed all afternoon from our team,and our best chance of getting anything in any game we play,lets leave him out then play achibe or lambert instead and by next may we will all get salvation in the championship
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on September 14, 2015, 09:09:53 AM
its about time that our fans accepted the fact that once we get a good player especially a goal scorer if he is wanted by bigger club he is going,thats the way the satanic premier league works,just ask southanpton,i for one will never boo an albion player,yes berahino is a bell end but just wants to better himself[there cant be many forwards who would relish playing behind the ball,feeding off scraps all season],I applauded him purely to encourage him to score a goal,his first few touches were the only decent bit of football I witnessed all afternoon from our team,and our best chance of getting anything in any game we play,lets leave him out then play achibe or lambert instead and by next may we will all get salvation in the championship
No problem with him wanting to better himself, its the way he as gone about it thats the problem, Also if he had have gone lambert or anichebe wouldhave had to play, his first few touches were the only decent bit of football all afternoon? Did you not see johnny evans? he was different class to anyone else on the pitch!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on September 14, 2015, 12:15:50 PM
Couldn't understand the amount of cheering and clapping. I just stood there, flicked the v's. I'm not one to boo but came close.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 14, 2015, 01:14:42 PM
Because that worked out so well?  :-\

Think it's football supporters that need to get the message. This is a job, they don't care about the clubs, stop getting misty eyed about the past when it wasn't a business and get on with supporting the shirt, whoever is in it. I'll bawl the likes of Gardner out on here, but when he comes down my corner of the Brummie to take a corner he gets full support.

It might be a job. They might not care about the clubs. I'm not getting misty-eyed about people kissing the badge; Paul Robinson did that and look how that ended up.

All I ask is that they show a bit of respect, or at least restraint, when representing our club. I don't think that's too much to ask; Brunt, Morrison, et al manage it. Act with dignity and class. And if you don't, then you should be pulled up on that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 14, 2015, 01:18:43 PM
Did he even get fined for he's tweet ?.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on September 17, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Surprised it hasn't been mentioned already but the guy's face on the team photo is quite the picture. Reminiscent of a kid who has just been told he isn't allowed a bag of Haribo.  ::)

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/12029161_10153627550466810_2117449011_n.jpg?oh=c1eca96a58117f9f66f60a25c7a19605&oe=55FCE144)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on September 17, 2015, 01:00:40 PM
Surprised it hasn't been mentioned already but the guy's face on the team photo is quite the picture. Reminiscent of a kid who has just been told he isn't allowed a bag of Haribo.  ::)

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/12029161_10153627550466810_2117449011_n.jpg?oh=c1eca96a58117f9f66f60a25c7a19605&oe=55FCE144)

There is a few players who hardly look happy, rondon for example. Plus there were a few pictures Saido posted of him messing around during the photo session, I'm not reading anything into this picture, there were likely a number of pictures taken and I reckon he pulled a different face in each one and this one just happened to be the best picture of the 'team'
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stoxman on September 18, 2015, 02:23:24 PM
Yes, definitely. I think only a few booed, which is their choice. But singing his name? It only fuels the ego. He disrespected the club, so why did he get a heroes welcome?!

For me, I support the Albion and everything in the interests of the Albion cause. Anything that helps Albion I will support. If we needed V*lla to win to keep us up, I would cheer for V*lla.  If supporting Berahino means that we get a few goals from him and a better price when we sell, I will support him.  Mine is a blind love for the club and perhaps that makes me a sucker but for 90 mins each week, I suspend all reason.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 19, 2015, 12:07:35 PM
For me, I support the Albion and everything in the interests of the Albion cause. Anything that helps Albion I will support. If we needed V*lla to win to keep us up, I would cheer for V*lla.  If supporting Berahino means that we get a few goals from him and a better price when we sell, I will support him.  Mine is a blind love for the club and perhaps that makes me a sucker but for 90 mins each week, I suspend all reason.

and you my friend... is the reason i believe we do still have a few decent supporters! if only everyone could think the same, people are too busy caring about footballers personal lives, bad mouth the players on the pitch, then wonder why the players don't applaud our support after a game -- who in the right mind would put up with immature fans hurling abuse at them for 90 mins then go and applaud them for it at the end of the game?!

if saido is employed by west bromwich albion, im backing him and cheering him on all the way. regardless of his actions off the field.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on September 19, 2015, 12:24:30 PM
I dont think because people didnt like the fact a bloke on £15k a week who turns round and says how badly he is treated and wont play again (then doesnt apologise) means they arent decent supporters.

I dont really care about what players do off the pitch that much, with Saido he has had many off the field discretions but i dont remember fans booing him or hurling abuse, i dont think the fans love him like say a Astle, Regis, Taylor, etc but i think thats because he doesnt come across as a particulary likeable person (what we see) and its hard to idolise modern day footballers in general.

Personally i didnt boo him but didnt applaud him when he came on, but doesnt mean i dont support the Albion, i will cheer any goals he scores the same as i would any player but i wont give too much respect to a bloke who shows such little respect in return.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 19, 2015, 02:12:06 PM
and you my friend... is the reason i believe we do still have a few decent supporters! if only everyone could think the same, people are too busy caring about footballers personal lives, bad mouth the players on the pitch, then wonder why the players don't applaud our support after a game -- who in the right mind would put up with immature fans hurling abuse at them for 90 mins then go and applaud them for it at the end of the game?!

if saido is employed by west bromwich albion, im backing him and cheering him on all the way. regardless of his actions off the field.

THAT. He is Albion til he leaves, that's it. And he gets my full backing as they all do regardless of whether he is a total kn8b or not, until he leaves. He probably won't get the continued admiration from me that I have for Lukaku, but that's more about their respective attitudes and professionalism.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 19, 2015, 02:13:13 PM
I dont think because people didnt like the fact a bloke on £15k a week who turns round and says how badly he is treated and wont play again (then doesnt apologise) means they arent decent supporters.

I dont really care about what players do off the pitch that much, with Saido he has had many off the field discretions but i dont remember fans booing him or hurling abuse, i dont think the fans love him like say a Astle, Regis, Taylor, etc but i think thats because he doesnt come across as a particulary likeable person (what we see) and its hard to idolise modern day footballers in general.

Personally i didnt boo him but didnt applaud him when he came on, but doesnt mean i dont support the Albion, i will cheer any goals he scores the same as i would any player but i wont give too much respect to a bloke who shows such little respect in return.

Great post.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on September 19, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Time for him to become a fan favourite again by sticking it to the villa today, come on lad
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Webby on September 19, 2015, 05:09:14 PM
Good lad
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 19, 2015, 05:39:06 PM
Diego Costa utter cnut. Chelsea fans love him.

Viva Saido!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on September 19, 2015, 05:53:27 PM
He certainly seemed pleased to score.

What did he do at full time? It looked like he was heading over to the fans with his shirt?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 19, 2015, 07:09:04 PM
He certainly seemed pleased to score.

What did he do at full time? It looked like he was heading over to the fans with his shirt?
He lobbed his shirt in as did Fletcher, nicest thing to see was Saido's big grin as he did it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on September 19, 2015, 08:26:09 PM
He lobbed his shirt in as did Fletcher, nicest thing to see was Saido's big grin as he did it

That's good to hear. Little gestures like that will really help for the time that he remains with us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 19, 2015, 10:21:22 PM
Did I hear the crowd singing his name after he scored?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 19, 2015, 10:28:24 PM
Did I hear the crowd singing his name after he scored?

They was singing it last week mate when he came on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 19, 2015, 10:32:44 PM
Sounded louder and better then.
Worth it when he scores.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 20, 2015, 08:20:57 AM
I still think he's a King Cnut. Still no apology.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: slate on September 20, 2015, 08:27:26 AM
He performed well yesterday and scored the winner against the Villa, at their place.

Now is the perfect time to let all the bitterness go...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on September 20, 2015, 08:55:18 AM
Wasn't happy and really didn't want to like him again. However just scored the winner at villa park and did the boing boing in front of the holte end so all is forgiven  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 20, 2015, 09:04:37 AM
I still think he's a King Cnut. Still no apology.

I'd take him signing a new contract with a PROPER buyout clause & a pay rise for him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on September 20, 2015, 09:10:05 AM
Looked overweight and didn't play that well I didn't think. Stuck his foot out to get the deflected goal and put in some good corners. Apart from that nothing special. Much more to do before he turns things round.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on September 20, 2015, 09:30:40 AM
Looked overweight and didn't play that well I didn't think. Stuck his foot out to get the deflected goal and put in some good corners. Apart from that nothing special. Much more to do before he turns things round.

Did you not see after the game when he took his top off? Hardly overweight.

As somebody else said, he may not have apologised but he did score the winner and boing boing'd in front of the villa fans!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 20, 2015, 08:07:29 PM
Some players (very few) have the happy knack of being in the right place at the right time, I'm coming round to thinking Saido is one of these whether its luck, hard work or a skill I have no idea, but long may it continue.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on September 20, 2015, 08:34:31 PM
Still a t**t, but at least he is still our t**t!

He will go, but if he earns his money from now until January, or better still next Summer, he can go wherever he and his mum like   :-*
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 20, 2015, 09:27:44 PM
The transfer saga is over at least for the time being. Provided he gets his head down between now and whenever he leaves I will be just delighted to see him turn in solid performances and score a few goals. I think his best position might be as a wide attacker arriving in the box from one of the wings which makes him difficult to mark played with the right players behind the striker he could very effective
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 20, 2015, 10:38:30 PM
The transfer saga is over at least for the time being. Provided he gets his head down between now and whenever he leaves I will be just delighted to see him turn in solid performances and score a few goals. I think his best position might be as a wide attacker arriving in the box from one of the wings which makes him difficult to mark played with right players behind the striker he could very effective
Thierry henry style?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 20, 2015, 10:58:48 PM
Thierry henry style?

In the style of Thierry Henry but I am afraid we can only dream of players of his quality  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on September 21, 2015, 12:49:23 AM
Its a thin line between hero and villain.

Can you imagine if his deflection had not found the net??

I actually dont think JM's original shot would have gone in (keeper and Lescott had it covered between them) but JM would not have been happy if his goalbound shot had been deflected away into a goal kick.

I think Berahino's flick went exactly where he intended so it was great skill, but risky!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieblood on September 21, 2015, 01:28:47 AM
I don't know why bera was taking the corners.

Never seen that before.

I thought that brunt must have a problem but he took them after bera went off.

I'd prefer our best finisher to be at the end of corners not taking them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: socalbaggie on September 21, 2015, 04:25:39 AM
I don't know why bera was taking the corners.

Never seen that before.

I thought that brunt must have a problem but he took them after bera went off.

I'd prefer our best finisher to be at the end of corners not taking them.
Along with you and every other fan I was thinking the same thing. The best explanation I could come up with was that TP wanted to mix things up and present a different look to our corners due to Lescott's recent departure. Of course in reality that probably has nothing to do with it but sounded good to me.  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 21, 2015, 05:49:43 AM
Has he ever scored from a corner, his heading is not good. I though his delivery was good.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on September 21, 2015, 06:30:44 AM
Has he ever scored from a corner, his heading is not good. I though his delivery was good.

Burnley Home last season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sammyg on September 21, 2015, 07:24:09 AM
Burnley Home last season

Weren't that ideye? Berahino scored against villa away from a corner last year didn't he ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on September 21, 2015, 07:43:02 AM
You are right sammyg he did score against the Vile from a corner
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 21, 2015, 10:21:36 AM
Weren't that ideye? Berahino scored against villa away from a corner last year didn't he ?

Burnley at home.  Ideye's was away.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on September 21, 2015, 11:08:48 AM
Has he ever scored from a corner, his heading is not good. I though his delivery was good.

Yeah, he's got a couple, as people have said Burnley at home and Villa away. His heading may not be great at all but he's in such good positions that his heading doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on September 21, 2015, 01:46:46 PM
Fletcher explains why Berahino is taking corners :

AND SAIDO’S TAKING CORNERS NOW?

"Because he puts in a fantastic delivery, Once he did it in training the balls were fantastic. You find that with forward; Robin van Persie took them at United. They're good strikers of the ball and I think they know where the ball is dangerous to score.

"People might say they should be scoring but when you're moving up big defenders then they are the ones who are going to get on the end of the crosses.

"He was a wide attacking midfielder today and putting in fantastic crosses. If the delivery is good we've got players that can get on the end of them and get you goals.


http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-darren-fletcher-villa-2700854.aspx
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on September 21, 2015, 01:51:56 PM
Fletcher explains why Berahino is taking corners :

AND SAIDO’S TAKING CORNERS NOW?

"Because he puts in a fantastic delivery, Once he did it in training the balls were fantastic. You find that with forward; Robin van Persie took them at United. They're good strikers of the ball and I think they know where the ball is dangerous to score.

"People might say they should be scoring but when you're moving up big defenders then they are the ones who are going to get on the end of the crosses.

"He was a wide attacking midfielder today and putting in fantastic crosses. If the delivery is good we've got players that can get on the end of them and get you goals.


http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-darren-fletcher-villa-2700854.aspx

I have no problem with it and think we will get more out of a good delivery than we will from having Saido in the box. Our corners have been far too poor for too long.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 21, 2015, 02:41:26 PM
I have no problem with it and think we will get more out of a good delivery than we will from having Saido in the box. Our corners have been far too poor for too long.

Ahem !! highest number of assists, that taker of poor corners !

When a certain party see's your comment, he will be on your case, you have been warned !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on September 21, 2015, 04:50:28 PM
The amount of poor corners we put in without pace are unreal. About time we changed it around
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 21, 2015, 05:09:01 PM
I still can't understand that we don't have a wide man on the opposite side to the corner which is to be taken.
The amount of balls which go over there (either by defence or attack) is surprising.
It isn't just the Albion, either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BRIAN on September 21, 2015, 06:27:08 PM
Droitwich, I advocated that 60 years ago. In those days and later still, foreign teams often employed it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 21, 2015, 07:46:07 PM
I have moved on at the time I would have gone for him if I saw him but a winner against them fookers has just about done the job  :D.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieblood on September 21, 2015, 10:15:54 PM
In my eyes Saido Berahino has redeemed himself with the winner at the villa, until the next time he throws his toys out of the pram.

It was the first win i've seen at that s@ithole despite man visits.

We were in the witton upper and loved seeing our fans celebrate when we scored and at the end when our players went over to our fans.

I particulary liked mcClean cup his ear at the vile fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: macc_baggie on September 22, 2015, 11:14:14 AM
Berahino's delivery is as good as Brunts, so for me it makes sense for him to take corners.

He isn't an imposing aerial threat, and it means brunt isn't utterly out of position if the opposition break. Whilst you want your strikers sniffing around in the box for any knock downs, you'd like to trust in the ability of most Premier League players to be able to score from 6 yards out with out being a designated striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 22, 2015, 01:31:28 PM
Berahino's delivery is as good as Brunts, so for me it makes sense for him to take corners.

He isn't an imposing aerial threat, and it means brunt isn't utterly out of position if the opposition break. Whilst you want your strikers sniffing around in the box for any knock downs, you'd like to trust in the ability of most Premier League players to be able to score from 6 yards out with out being a designated striker.

Exactly. Look at Russell Martin's goal vs Liverpool - chest control and a nice finish from a Premier League centre half. You'd hope Evans could do that.

The other benefit of having Saido on corners is Brunt can either patrol the edge of the area and use his decent long shot on any balls that are headed out. Or he could come short to cross. Or he could go into the box and use his height to get on the end of the corner; he's a fairly useful header-er of the ball - we used to (and still do a bit) use his height vs opposition full backs to win headers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 22, 2015, 02:35:31 PM
Exactly. Look at Russell Martin's goal vs Liverpool - chest control and a nice finish from a Premier League centre half. You'd hope Evans could do that.

The other benefit of having Saido on corners is Brunt can either patrol the edge of the area and use his decent long shot on any balls that are headed out. Or he could come short to cross. Or he could go into the box and use his height to get on the end of the corner; he's a fairly useful header-er of the ball - we used to (and still do a bit) use his height vs opposition full backs to win headers.
I've been surprised at how good Brunty is in the air, there have been a number of times when he has cleared well at the back stick with a good header.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 22, 2015, 05:13:17 PM
I've been surprised at how good Brunty is in the air, there have been a number of times when he has cleared well at the back stick with a good header.

Watch all four of our defenders warm up against Everton. I've made a habit of it to see who's ready to play and every warm up they line up and are dealt high balls to head away while everyone drifts up and back with whoever goes for the header. Brunt always leads that line when I've watched them and he does very well in the air.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tipton baggie 80 on September 24, 2015, 05:05:33 PM
Off topic, but seeing as the last 2 posters mentioned it, Brunt has been good in the air since he's been here. When on the wing he was always the outlet from goal kicks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 24, 2015, 08:45:51 PM
Pulis really does love him don't he, Was saying again today how sorry he feels for him and how bad he's life's been.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyfred on September 25, 2015, 03:11:14 PM
Has he ever scored from a corner, his heading is not good. I though his delivery was good.
the only decent corners we have had all season we have enough players who can score from corners if the delivery is decent , I hope he carries on taking them
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 25, 2015, 05:34:00 PM
Pulis really does love him don't he, Was saying again today how sorry he feels for him and how bad he's life's been.

But not all tactics are played out on the pitch....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on September 26, 2015, 10:16:52 AM
See old dim tim rates Jack the lad at 60 million what is saido Worth
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Webby on September 29, 2015, 02:20:06 PM
I genuinely feel so sorry for him and don't blame him for being angry at not getting a move.

Surrounded by frankly a load of pooh when he is miles better than the rest of the team who get paid more than him!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on September 29, 2015, 03:39:26 PM
I genuinely feel so sorry for him and don't blame him for being angry at not getting a move.

Surrounded by frankly a load of rubbish when he is miles better than the rest of the team who get paid more than him!

You can tell he looks a class above
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on September 29, 2015, 03:58:05 PM
You can tell he looks a class above

Yep! He might be a bit of a bell-end but we're going to miss him when he goes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 29, 2015, 04:31:26 PM
Its going to be interesting seeing him in a top side, he may well turn out to be a very good player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on September 30, 2015, 07:00:13 AM
He is already a very good player , a true natural finisher and should aim higher than Spurs. Without him, you really wonder where we'd consistently score from without him. Rondon is a good leader of the line but doesn't look prolific, Lambert is past premier league standard and pace by the looks of it, Anichebe is just useless and our midfield aren't allowed to break the rigid line to get forward much.

Keeping Saido scoring is the key, still , in spite of three windows of knowing we needed width, pace and goals .....arggh
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on October 03, 2015, 11:49:42 PM
didn't watch the game today ,why was he taken off,injury or not tracking back,or to defend a nil nil with 30 mins to go?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on October 04, 2015, 12:10:07 AM
didn't watch the game today ,why was he taken off,injury or not tracking back,or to defend a nil nil with 30 mins to go?

That is the question we would all like to know the answer too! Took off at half time with no explanation. Even the commentary team were dumbfounded by it. Saido is the only player on the pitch who we can use as an outlet when under the cosh, it was scandalous to take him off. Someone had to make way for golden boy Gardner though didn't they! As soon as that substitution was made I knew it was game over. If we can all see that why oh why can't Pulis? 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on October 04, 2015, 01:48:23 AM
He is already a very good player , a true natural finisher and should aim higher than Spurs. Without him, you really wonder where we'd consistently score from without him. Rondon is a good leader of the line but doesn't look prolific, Lambert is past premier league standard and pace by the looks of it, Anichebe is just useless and our midfield aren't allowed to break the rigid line to get forward much.

Keeping Saido scoring is the key, still , in spite of three windows of knowing we needed width, pace and goals .....arggh

Incorrect. Obviously the key is to play for 0-0 which is why you substitute Saido for Gardner. There is no need for width, pace or goals when you play for 0-0.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smudger 2007 on October 04, 2015, 01:58:31 AM
That is the question we would all like to know the answer too! Took off at half time with no explanation. Even the commentary team were dumbfounded by it. Saido is the only player on the pitch who we can use as an outlet when under the cosh, it was scandalous to take him off. Someone had to make way for golden boy Gardner though didn't they! As soon as that substitution was made I knew it was game over. If we can all see that why oh why can't Pulis?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smudger 2007 on October 04, 2015, 01:59:37 AM
Must admit I felt exactly the same when saw the change. Game over surrender
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on October 04, 2015, 08:33:02 AM
Dont agree with how he went about it but i really Saido gets himself a move away in January if Pulis is in charge.

Berahino is a d**khead off the pitch but he can change, he also is young, english and scores goals, the longer he stays with us that will be coached out of him and so for the sake of his career hope he goes because we will eventually grind him down to our level, ie - works ard but lacks quality.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on October 04, 2015, 08:41:45 AM
Dont agree with how he went about it but i really Saido gets himself a move away in January if Pulis is in charge.

Berahino is a d**khead off the pitch but he can change, he also is young, english and scores goals, the longer he stays with us that will be coached out of him and so for the sake of his career hope he goes because we will eventually grind him down to our level, ie - works ard but lacks quality.

I dont i personally hope he amounts to nothing when he leaves us but then its up to him to prove haters like me wrong.

From a career perspective and i say this taking off my Albion goggles he needs a move, This current set up is no good for him and hes game.

Same goes with Gnabry and chester really like that Hull fan said on here, Under Pulis and playing around poor players there game wont develop or mature it will just stay the same or probably move backwards.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 04, 2015, 10:21:35 AM
I dont i personally hope he amounts to nothing when he leaves us but then its up to him to prove haters like me wrong.

From a career perspective and i say this taking off my Albion goggles he needs a move, This current set up is no good for him and hes game.

Same goes with Gnabry and chester really like that Hull fan said on here, Under Pulis and playing around poor players there game wont develop or mature it will just stay the same or probably move backwards.

In short anyone with any flair or talent get out before they are crushed by Pulisball. Fair enough.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on October 04, 2015, 10:55:33 AM
Favorited Ian Wrights comments from last night about him leaving and that he should want to leave  :D what a prat he gets anyway with murder with us, Doesnt realize he is putting off other clubs though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 04, 2015, 11:38:58 AM
The way Pulis is misusing him, he deserves to go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieblood on October 04, 2015, 12:09:02 PM
Saido  bambino's antics in the last transfer window cost him a place in the England squad imo.

He's a mile better than head down and run ings.

Saido is a class finisher but a t wat as a person.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiecarl on October 04, 2015, 12:22:39 PM
The way Pulis is misusing him, he deserves to go.
He does need to move ,however if the move transpires in January would you trust pulis to spend the Berahino money wisely ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 04, 2015, 12:59:12 PM
He does need to move ,however if the move transpires in January would you trust pulis to spend the Berahino money wisely ?
He would buy more defenders !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on October 04, 2015, 01:04:52 PM
He would buy more defenders !

Or more players to sit on the bench  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 04, 2015, 01:16:42 PM
Favorited Ian Wrights comments from last night about him leaving and that he should want to leave  :D what a prat he gets anyway with murder with us, Doesnt realize he is putting off other clubs though.

Ian Wright, that font of knowledge ? bigged his son up for years and wheres he now ? playing in the league for over the hill or never good enough players.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jimmyj on October 05, 2015, 09:49:40 AM
Ian Wright, that font of knowledge ? bigged his son up for years and wheres he now ? playing in the league for over the hill or never good enough players.

Whats that got to do with anything? if a father can't big up his son, who the hell can?
What he said regarding our play and Berahino was spot on. I agree completely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxbbyuFmh-A
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on October 05, 2015, 09:54:00 AM
Whats that got to do with anything? if a father can't big up his son, who the hell can?
What he said regarding our play and Berahino was spot on. I agree completely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxbbyuFmh-A

Wrighty is a knob, but in this instance the was spot on!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on October 05, 2015, 09:56:46 AM
He is spot on with what he says here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 05, 2015, 01:41:25 PM
Ian Wright, that font of knowledge ? bigged his son up for years and wheres he now ? playing in the league for over the hill or never good enough players.

What has his son got to do with anything?  Father bigging up his own son is hardly a crime or a surprise. I heard what Wright said and he was spot on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 05, 2015, 02:23:28 PM
Ian Wright is not the font of all footballing knowledge and like a lot of ex pro's on the punditry circuit offers more by the way of entertainment than insight but even a blind squirrel will sometimes find the nuts. In this instance he's nailed it. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnnyg on October 05, 2015, 10:49:17 PM
Wrighty talk a lot of rubbish sometimes, but in this case, he is 110% spot on.
Oldbury, you totally missed and misconstrued his point.
Surprised at you !!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 05, 2015, 10:58:27 PM
Run, Saido, Run!!!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 05, 2015, 11:54:53 PM
Run, Saido, Run!!!!!!
No more, no less.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on October 05, 2015, 11:56:29 PM
Pulis has turned him into a defensive winger. You have to laugh.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 06, 2015, 11:19:50 AM
i wont deny him a move to a team that will play to his strengths
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 06, 2015, 01:44:58 PM
i wont deny him a move to a team that will play to his strengths

No one would have denied him a move anyway as long as the money was right, couldn't care less how another club would play him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on October 18, 2015, 05:50:22 PM
Linked with a January move to United
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 18, 2015, 07:29:10 PM
Good luck to the lad where ever he goes, after all the Pulis style of play that has been dumped on him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: rajesh-wba on October 18, 2015, 08:27:45 PM
Can you really blame him for wanting to move? He's serverley hampered in a Pulis team and it's no surprise he pushed for Tottenham and to play with likes of Kane, Eriksen, Lamela etc. He feeds off scraps here and I also feel Pulis would prefer to "cash in". He's a good player with potential to be very good. Question marks over his attitude - but having never met the bloke its hard to say what he is like as a person. Only those who have played with him and worked with him will know. I'm sure Euro 2016 is a motivational factor behind his reasoning to leave - if it was about money - surely he'd have signed a new contract already?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on October 18, 2015, 08:32:51 PM
Linked with a January move to United

Would be delighted for him if that came off.  We'd also get a properly structured decent transfer fee, unlike those cheapskates at White Hart Lane

And then I guess we could go out and buy three more centre backs
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 18, 2015, 11:30:41 PM
Would be delighted for him if that came off.  We'd also get a properly structured decent transfer fee, unlike those cheapskates at White Hart Lane

And then I guess we could go out and buy three more centre backs

Id be happy for him to move to Man U in Jan, but short of us being on 25+ points and easily staying up I wouldn't want him to be leaving us till the summer. In a very poor team he's scoring 1 in 2 currently. That would be expensive to replace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on October 18, 2015, 11:50:37 PM
I'd like him to stay at the Albion, be played in areas where he is a threat, and be provided with the ammunition to score lots of goals for us.
 8).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on October 19, 2015, 12:42:20 AM
If he leaves on good terms & like a proper pro i for one would wish him best of luck
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 19, 2015, 07:58:24 AM
To benifit his career its best he goes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on October 19, 2015, 08:19:49 AM
Would like to see him go to Man U or Arsenal TBH...too talented for us and he would flourish at the right club.....my only concern is who is going to score for us post January?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 19, 2015, 09:00:14 AM
My only concern is who is going to score for us post January?

That's the reason he wont leave till the summer I think.

He should get an England Cap by then, get 15+ league goals and we get our £20m+ (one on year left on contract by that point, but even if his contract runs out totally, we'll be due a level of compensation as Burnley were with Ings. I've not checked this, but it apparently true according to Howells a few months back).

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on October 19, 2015, 09:10:55 AM
That's the reason he wont leave till the summer I think.

He should get an England Cap by then, get 15+ league goals and we get our £20m+ (one on year left on contract by that point, but even if his contract runs out totally, we'll be due a level of compensation as Burnley were with Ings. I've not checked this, but it apparently true according to Howells a few months back).

Just found this article about the Ings Fee and how the tribunal works.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/10/transfer-tribunal-danny-ings-liverpool-burnley

A proven premier league striker and 3rd best scorer for the England under 21 squad could easily be valued at 20+ million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on October 19, 2015, 09:20:58 AM
Regardless of peoples opinions on the lad, without his goals we would be doomed.

Arguably kept us up last year, and this year has already scored 2 goals which have earned us 6 points.

He will blossom at the right team with the right service.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 19, 2015, 11:48:09 AM
Would like to see him go to Man U or Arsenal TBH...too talented for us and he would flourish at the right club.....my only concern is who is going to score for us post January?



who else but do do ron ron :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 19, 2015, 11:55:37 AM
Regardless of peoples opinions on the lad, without his goals we would be doomed.

Arguably kept us up last year, and this year has already scored 2 goals which have earned us 6 points.

He will blossom at the right team with the right service.

Just found this article about the Ings Fee and how the tribunal works.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/10/transfer-tribunal-danny-ings-liverpool-burnley

A proven premier league striker and 3rd best scorer for the England under 21 squad could easily be valued at 20+ million.

Cheers for that Boing Flyer, I agree Mister AT, the only thing that'll get in his way is him being a big head, of which theres a chance.

In an attack minded team, played in the right place he'll score 15-20/25 goals a season for the next decade I'd say. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 19, 2015, 01:30:22 PM
I am sure his sale will be back on the agenda in January as I am convinced Pulis wanted to sell as much as Saido wanted to leave. Personally I wouldn't blame an attacking player wanting to move on from the Hawthorns as their career is going to be enhanced by working with just about any coach other than Pulis.

Did he go about things the right way? No, but let's not beat about the bush we would be looking a bit short of firepower without him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 22, 2015, 01:39:18 PM
I had it on good authority today that Pulis was convinced Berahino would be leaving on deadline day and we had 4 Premier League players waiting to be signed on deadline day, all deals had to be pulled when the offer for Berahino came in was unfavourable.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on October 22, 2015, 02:01:44 PM
I think you can put your money on two of those being Phillips and Austin..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 22, 2015, 07:35:53 PM
I think you can put your money on two of those being Phillips and Austin..

Dodged a bullet with Austin. Phillips an interesting one though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on October 24, 2015, 09:43:15 PM
Who do we get in when Berahino makes the 'almortain' transfer out in January?
I tend to think we need to get a similar style in, needs to have some pace and a cool finish, the difference is... probably needs to be a non-Englishman as that prices are just too high.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on October 24, 2015, 10:20:22 PM
Who do we get in when Berahino makes the 'almortain' transfer out in January?
I tend to think we need to get a similar style in, needs to have some pace and a cool finish, the difference is... probably needs to be a non-Englishman as that prices are just too high.
I'd have thought it would be the same targets as the summer, basically Austin and Phillips? I believe we could get them for around £25 million, which would be funded by Berahino. With Austin you get the goals (although I think his overall game isn't as good as Saido's and he may struggle in a Pulis side with little chances) - and with Phillips you get a proper out/out winger.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on October 24, 2015, 11:28:56 PM
I hope it isn't Austin for the point you made.
I don't know that Austin is well suited to our game plan and I am not  convinced he would be fit enough to play the role the striker has to under Pulis. I tend to think his body could break down.

I would like to see us look out to the continent. I mean we have all these clubs across Europe constantly beating up on English sides in European competition or at least holding their own against the likes of Arsenal, Man City and co, with players that would cost 1/2 as much as an Austin.

Probably out best players of the last 15 years  imo (Gera) is a perfect example of wha we need (though a striker version), someone who can take on and plant the ball in the back of the net from a half chance and also someone with pace.

As mentioned.. I just think we should be going for non-Brittish players perhaps, it seems to work well for the rest of Europe (and Arsenal).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on October 25, 2015, 12:12:09 AM
The issue with looking outside of Britain is that generally it's more risky, and usually Pulis doesn't go for that and likes to play it safe (see Ideye and Rosenberg for instance, two 'goalscorers' who generally flopped). Of course when it works you could get an Odemwingie, but that is the risk.
I'd say Rondon was an exception because he was known and we got him because of a freak rule implemented by the Russian government.

I'm not saying I disagree with you, the continent has done us good (and bad) over the years, but as I say Pulis is usually one to focus on British playing footballers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on October 26, 2015, 08:09:46 AM
Afobe at Wolves , untried at premier but similar pace and finishing to Bera and can definitely score. Him and Philips might be decent?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 26, 2015, 02:59:28 PM
I hope it isn't Austin for the point you made.
I don't know that Austin is well suited to our game plan and I am not  convinced he would be fit enough to play the role the striker has to under Pulis. I tend to think his body could break down.

I would like to see us look out to the continent. I mean we have all these clubs across Europe constantly beating up on English sides in European competition or at least holding their own against the likes of Arsenal, Man City and co, with players that would cost 1/2 as much as an Austin.

Probably out best players of the last 15 years  imo (Gera) is a perfect example of wha we need (though a striker version), someone who can take on and plant the ball in the back of the net from a half chance and also someone with pace.

As mentioned.. I just think we should be going for non-Brittish players perhaps, it seems to work well for the rest of Europe (and Arsenal).

ive never understood why people say this about Charlie Austin??

What exactly is this based on?

His last 4 seasons have produced 46, 40, 37,36 game appearances across all comps with league appearances being 41, 40, 31, 35 so I dont get why people think he is a player of limited fitness

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on October 26, 2015, 05:27:58 PM
ive never understood why people say this about Charlie Austin??

What exactly is this based on?

His last 4 seasons have produced 46, 40, 37,36 game appearances across all comps with league appearances being 41, 40, 31, 35 so I dont get why people think he is a player of limited fitness

He is out with a hamstring now and I know when he failed the medical at Hull he had recent hamstring issues also. I suspect the doctors assessed his hamstrings as being at high. It may be as simple as they believe the bio-mechanics of the way he runs is such that it greatly increases the risk of hamstrings. It may have had nothing to do with hamstrings of course, I am just giving a possibility based on people who do suffer hamstrings can often suffer recurring issues.

Whatever it is, he has failed previously failed a medical when supposedly fit, that does make people wonder what Hull seen in their screening.

Now in Pulis's game plan he would be expected to run harder for longer than he previously has and if (again if) there are any question marks over him, I think our game plan would risk aggravating them.


Now he may never suffer another injury again of ocurse.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 26, 2015, 06:10:32 PM

Whatever it is, he has failed previously failed a medical when supposedly fit, that does make people wonder what Hull seen in their screening.

David Sullivan at West Ham made some comments about him in the Summer where he said he had been told he failed the medical at Hull as he didn't have any ligaments in his knee. I may be wrong but I'm sure that is the same as Paul Robinson when he was with us and he went on to fail medicals at a couple of clubs because of it, I certainly don't remember him having any major knee injuries because of it though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 26, 2015, 06:20:20 PM
As I see it, players have to be insured. If an insurance company as much as has a whiff of doubt, they won't go near it. It then comes down to an individual club taking a gamble. On his wages....???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 27, 2015, 08:51:58 AM
Yep insurance will be the clear issue for any potential move for Austin.

Getting back to Saido though he hasn't done himself any favours with his behaviour in the last window. Only Spurs were showing a real interest then and even they were desperate to get him on the cheap, most likely due to his previous reported issues. Now we are approaching a window that will be the last opportunity to get some half decent money money for him but I can only see it going the same way again with a club wanting him but not offering the money we would demand. In my opinion there was no winner once he threw his toys out of the pram, had that not happened a new contract with a minimum fee release clause was the clear way to go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on October 28, 2015, 07:30:29 PM
Alternatively, clubs tend to panic buy more in Jan (Defoe at 33 was reportedly  14m!). Berahinho scores goals and goal scorers are important to teams who need help in Jan. we might get a few clubs sniffing around which would put up his price, good considering he has no buy out clause.

Personally, I'd like him to stay until summer so we can properly (try to) replace him. He and Rondon could work well together over time and if like to see them playing off one another .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 28, 2015, 08:56:18 PM
Alternatively, clubs tend to panic buy more in Jan (Defoe at 33 was reportedly  14m!). Berahinho scores goals and goal scorers are important to teams who need help in Jan. we might get a few clubs sniffing around which would put up his price, good considering he has no buy out clause.

Personally, I'd like him to stay until summer so we can properly (try to) replace him. He and Rondon could work well together over time and if like to see them playing off one another .

Nonsense. Defoe was 32 and there is no way in this earth they paid that much. Altidore went as part of the move so I'd be amazed if they parted with more than the 6m Toronto splashed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on October 28, 2015, 09:07:59 PM
With the big tv money next season there will be some epic panic buys in January and it's definitely going to be a sellers market, if we have 25+ Points I would be inclined to cash in and throw in Big Vic for a bit of luck money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on October 29, 2015, 01:40:38 PM
I don't think he will score many goals by January,down to how he is utilised in our style of play,only Tottenham majorly interested last time,he doesn't assist many goals too,i think teams will think twice before parting with 25 mil  as they all did last time ,when he was in better form too
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on November 05, 2015, 03:51:25 PM
Saido will be disappointed to miss out on the squad with Sturridge, Welbeck, Walcott and Ings all out injured.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on November 05, 2015, 06:07:24 PM
Pulis has turned him into a defensive winger. You have to laugh.

He doesn't work hard enough defensively to be that. Has been anonymous for entire games recently. Lazy, overweight and can't be arsed. Thank god he scores deflections, penalties and one yard tap ins after fouling the goalkeeper to inflate his goal record enough for us to sell him.

When he's working hard he's a good player, but for we're carrying him right now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on November 05, 2015, 06:30:25 PM
I'd take Townsend and £10m in January. He's no good to us now. Wants out and his performances show that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on November 05, 2015, 06:37:25 PM
He doesn't work hard enough defensively to be that. Has been anonymous for entire games recently. Lazy, overweight and can't be arsed. Thank god he scores deflections, penalties and one yard tap ins after fouling the goalkeeper to inflate his goal record enough for us to sell him.

When he's working hard he's a good player, but for we're carrying him right now.

He's been very good defensively this season, tracking back a lot. Best player in the squad in my opinion
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on November 05, 2015, 08:18:03 PM
He's been very good defensively this season, tracking back a lot. Best player in the squad in my opinion

He's been absolutely abysmal! Terrible against City, woeful against Villa and downright shocking at Selhurst Park. He' s been by far the worst player in the team and I have no idea why TP starts him very week.

The club don't need him or his goals and should sell him in January/Summer. Use the money and buy a quality midfielder.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2015, 08:26:42 PM
Saido is getting a rough ride at the minute, the boy is a striker being asked to do a job. He's technically excellent, our best penalty taker and I'd rather a gilt edge chance fell to him than anyone else in the squad, these qualities are why he keeps getting picked despite his obvious shortcomings as a midfielder. Also he's the last person I'd drop for a game against one of the top sides. Loves the spotlight does SB.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on November 05, 2015, 08:46:35 PM
He's been absolutely abysmal! Terrible against City, woeful against Villa and downright shocking at Selhurst Park. He' s been by far the worst player in the team and I have no idea why TP starts him very week.

The club don't need him or his goals and should sell him in January/Summer. Use the money and buy a quality midfielder.
everyone was terrible v city,he won us the 3 points at villa and everyone was terrible v palace too,he is our most gifted player by a mile,even v Leicester last week he chased the keeper down on a number of occasions he is living off scraps at the moment and being asked to play defensively too,if you would rather start gardner or lambert then im glad you aint pulis
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on November 05, 2015, 08:49:21 PM
He doesn't work hard enough defensively to be that. Has been anonymous for entire games recently. Lazy, overweight and can't be arsed. Thank god he scores deflections, penalties and one yard tap ins after fouling the goalkeeper to inflate his goal record enough for us to sell him.

When he's working hard he's a good player, but for we're carrying him right now.
it was the most calculated deflection ive ever seen then,and no way did he foul the 6ft 5 keeper who had use of 2 hands
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on November 05, 2015, 09:44:12 PM
He's been absolutely abysmal! Terrible against City, woeful against Villa and downright shocking at Selhurst Park. He' s been by far the worst player in the team and I have no idea why TP starts him very week.

The club don't need him or his goals and should sell him in January/Summer. Use the money and buy a quality midfielder.

please can i have what your on
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on November 05, 2015, 10:08:52 PM
Everyone can have an opinion and I know some won't agree with me but since the whole transfer fiasco I've watched him closely. I just don't think he's driven or motivated enough for us at the moment. He doesn't track back, or even push forward and pressure keepers and defence with any degree of regularity.

That criminal run against Leicester was a great example when he had McClean wide open to the left, begging for the ball in space,  Rondon ahead of him, and he ran it forward into trouble, got tackled then made no attempt to win it back.

He can finish given half a chance, but he doesn't do enough around the park. Watch him for the next few games and although I WANT him to play a blinder, expect to be underwhelmed. I've not turned on him for his bellendery during the window, I've just never understood those who rate him 'the best player on the pitch' when he's done next to nothing all game. Score some goals son and prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on November 05, 2015, 11:18:23 PM
He's been absolutely abysmal! Terrible against City, woeful against Villa and downright shocking at Selhurst Park. He' s been by far the worst player in the team and I have no idea why TP starts him very week.

The club don't need him or his goals and should sell him in January/Summer. Use the money and buy a quality midfielder.

Do you know what Football is? cant tell if your post is serious or sarcasm, but if you are being serious how on earth can you say we dont need his goals? 

what teams in the world dont need a players goals?!  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 06, 2015, 06:20:53 AM
his goals are needed but overall his performances have been pretty poor.
Looks like he's had one kebab too many to me as well.
He wants out so we should maximise any offer we can for him, whether that be straight cash or cash plus player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on November 06, 2015, 07:47:25 AM
definately get rid of him in Jan. He's done well but I'm not sure his value will get much more than it is now as he has limitations to his attitude and game overall which I think will prevent him ever being top class (champions legaue/ England regular) - maybe I'll be proven wrong but his all round game, especially his awareness is sometimes lacking and he's a bit 'head down' ( in the way kids are when they play football).

Get around £25m one way or another and we'd be laughing 

Maybe he'll start trying again in December............closer to the window?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on November 06, 2015, 08:50:40 AM
When SB made his infamous 'never play again for JP again' comment, I believe he meant the word 'play' to infer as in a committed performance like in previous seasons. He has certainly carried out this threat by being anonymous in matches to the extend I have forgotten he is on the pitch at times. My worry is that JP sees keeping SB as a guarentee that will keep us in the Premier, a view I dont share. I think Pulis wants rid but if offers come in and JP insists on £25m I can see a repeat of the August debacle. I think SB sees a move as vital if he is to force his way into Roy's Euro plans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 06, 2015, 10:35:29 AM
When SB made his infamous 'never play again for JP again' comment, I believe he meant the word 'play' to infer as in a committed performance like in previous seasons. He has certainly carried out this threat by being anonymous in matches to the extend I have forgotten he is on the pitch at times. My worry is that JP sees keeping SB as a guarentee that will keep us in the Premier, a view I dont share. I think Pulis wants rid but if offers come in and JP insists on £25m I can see a repeat of the August debacle. I think SB sees a move as vital if he is to force his way into Roy's Euro plans.

I think he needs to get back to scoring a few goals if he is to force his way into Roy's Euro plans. Today would be nice, Saido.  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on November 06, 2015, 10:44:39 AM
He is a good player but if he wants his move I really can't see anybody spending what Peace wants on a player who's been mostly average this year and an attitude that stinks, if I was scout or manager of any club thinking about him I would recommend looking elsewhere. I heard Newcastle were thinking about him but would they match his own inflated ambitions?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 06, 2015, 11:52:15 AM
Think he's suffering from our setup with Yacob and Fletcher in CM. We are low on creativity and aren't going to carve out many one on one opportunities for him. His main strengths are finishing off one on ones and shooting ability from in and around the box. We are not seeing much of either of those.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on November 06, 2015, 01:06:45 PM
http://www.talkfootball.co.uk/guides/football_legends_ian_wright.html


Ian Wright scored 64 goals in three seasons under George Graham's Arsenal who were super defensive (lowest scorers in the league in at least one of those seasons). Point being, if Saido was half as good as he thinks he is, he'd score in a defensive set up.

Either
1) he's not as good as he thinks he is (and one or two others) or
2) he's not applying himself enough

Which ever of the two, if someone offers big money, we should get rid and but a couple players who will give their all...............and have some quality in the final third
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on November 06, 2015, 01:45:52 PM
Or.......

3) George Graham's defensive Arsenal team which went on to win the top flight title, was better than the current Tony Pulis defensive team, and thus better able to support Mr Wright appropriately as and when opportunity allowed

4) Ian Wright was rarely if ever played out of position or asked to 'do a job'

5) Title winning Geroge Graham was a better tactician than Tony Pulis

6) Depending upon perspective all/some of the above and perhaps many more.....

We could be here all day  :).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: we8seals on November 06, 2015, 01:47:06 PM
http://www.talkfootball.co.uk/guides/football_legends_ian_wright.html


Ian Wright scored 64 goals in three seasons under George Graham's Arsenal who were super defensive (lowest scorers in the league in at least one of those seasons). Point being, if Saido was half as good as he thinks he is, he'd score in a defensive set up.

Either
1) he's not as good as he thinks he is (and one or two others) or
2) he's not applying himself enough

Which ever of the two, if someone offers big money, we should get rid and but a couple players who will give their all...............and have some quality in the final third

whilst accepting Saido is a long way from the quality - and maturity - of the Ian Wright playing for Arsenal in that period i think you are comparing apples with oranges. ( a polite way of saying thats cobblers!)!
That Arsenal side is light years away from our current side and Wright was played right up top as an out and out goalscorer, doubting his ability in the final third flies in the face of all the evidence i have seen. Saido has not started a single game as the focal point of our attack. I for one think that he is a natural goalscorer and thats his best position. Whether thats the best place for him in our TEAM right now is another debate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 06, 2015, 02:45:19 PM
off topic, apologies,

i've always been amazed that given George grahams record, no took a punt on him (despite the money issues).

Is there some sort of football ostracizing thing at play?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 06, 2015, 03:20:13 PM
off topic, apologies,

i've always been amazed that given George grahams record, no took a punt on him (despite the money issues).

Is there some sort of football ostracizing thing at play?
Leeds and Spurs did and he didn't really pull up any trees at either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 06, 2015, 05:10:16 PM
He has been poor more often than he's shone this season and quite simply doesn't deserve the England call up. We'll regret not trying to negotiate with Spurs and on his current performances and with just 18 months left on his contract come January £25m simply will not happen.

The bidding clubs will be at a distinct advantage and Spurs deadline day will not be bettered in my opinion. That is unless he turns into a goal machine again.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on November 06, 2015, 05:58:48 PM
Time for a rest for young saido needs to get his fitness levels up, give the lamb a chance looked good against Leicester. FEED THE LAMB AND HE WILL SCORE
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 06, 2015, 06:27:28 PM
Leeds and Spurs did and he didn't really pull up any trees at either.
once again failing memory gets me, thanks for that Senor
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on November 06, 2015, 08:27:23 PM
Just a quick question, would you rather a striker who runs around all day and works his socks off but never looks like scoring, equalling 0 points OR someone who may not work as hard but have the naxk to be in the right place at the right time to score important goals equalling for example 9 points? I know which I prefer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on November 06, 2015, 10:51:55 PM
This is boring me now, I hope he does one in January . Kfc here he comes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aztech on November 07, 2015, 04:52:51 PM
Just a quick question, would you rather a striker who runs around all day and works his socks off but never looks like scoring, equalling 0 points OR someone who may not work as hard but have the naxk to be in the right place at the right time to score important goals equalling for example 9 points? I know which I prefer

So called top premier league striker who cannot head a ball  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on November 07, 2015, 05:09:23 PM
I make a prediction. Saido will never be transferred to a team who are above us in the league at the time of the transfer. He is never going to be top notch because his attitude and application on a consistent basis are not anywhere near what is needed in a top striker, and for this reason he will not attract the top clubs. We will eventually regret not taking the silly Spuds offer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on November 07, 2015, 05:22:33 PM
I make a prediction. Saido will never be transferred to a team who are above us in the league at the time of the transfer. He is never going to be top notch because his attitude and application on a consistent basis are not anywhere near what is needed in a top striker, and for this reason he will not attract the top clubs. We will eventually regret not taking the silly Spuds offer.

At that time it wasn't silly money though was it ? It was a p8ss take when you consider what he achieved over the past two seasons and how the market for strikers, especially young English ones has gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on November 07, 2015, 05:27:06 PM
whilst accepting Saido is a long way from the quality - and maturity - of the Ian Wright playing for Arsenal in that period i think you are comparing apples with oranges. ( a polite way of saying thats cobblers!)!
That Arsenal side is light years away from our current side and Wright was played right up top as an out and out goalscorer, doubting his ability in the final third flies in the face of all the evidence i have seen. Saido has not started a single game as the focal point of our attack. I for one think that he is a natural goalscorer and thats his best position. Whether thats the best place for him in our TEAM right now is another debate.

I agree with what you're saying, of course Arsenal were a better team and Wright was a better player. However my point was that if Saido is as good as he  and others seems to think he is , he should still score goals in a defensive team. Apparently he missed a sitter today so we might now have a striker who doesn't seem to work or score? He's got s lot to learn still ! His value seems to be going down with every game?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on November 07, 2015, 05:27:54 PM
At that time it wasn't silly money though was it ? It was a p8ss take when you consider what he achieved over the past two seasons and how the market for strikers, especially young English ones has gone.
Personally I think it was silly money. We will never get a better offer imo. What he had achieved in the last 2 seasons was good but not outstanding on the football pitch, accompanied by petulance and poor behaviour off it. Hardly a glowing reference. I think he is just too much of a risk for any top club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on November 07, 2015, 05:57:08 PM
Personally I think it was silly money. We will never get a better offer imo. What he had achieved in the last 2 seasons was good but not outstanding on the football pitch, accompanied by petulance and poor behaviour off it. Hardly a glowing reference. I think he is just too much of a risk for any top club.

I disagree.  Spurs were a disgrace with the way they approached it, with such a small down payment which would have left us with no cash to buy a replacement.

It was an "offer" which the club had no alternative but to reject.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on November 07, 2015, 06:01:13 PM
End of the day, he's easily still the best striker we have at the club.
He's the one that will regularly score goals - IF PLAYED UP FRONT - in a and around the box.
Poor attitude yes but until the likes of Rondon, Lambert and, hmm, Vic (!) start coming up with the goods and scoring regularly and hitting 15 ish a season then he's all we have really.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on November 07, 2015, 06:35:03 PM
I disagree.  Spurs were a disgrace with the way they approached it, with such a small down payment which would have left us with no cash to buy a replacement.

It was an "offer" which the club had no alternative but to reject.
No, we don't disagree. I agree with everything you say but, poor though the proposed structure of the offer was, I don't think that we will ever get £20 million for him, let alone £25 million. Now you could argue that £15 million upfront would be better that Spurs's offer, with some justification, but I think that's about the maximum we will ever get.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on November 07, 2015, 08:08:18 PM
No, we don't disagree. I agree with everything you say but, poor though the proposed structure of the offer was, I don't think that we will ever get £20 million for him, let alone £25 million. Now you could argue that £15 million upfront would be better that Spurs's offer, with some justification, but I think that's about the maximum we will ever get.

I'd take £15m cash for sure. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 07, 2015, 08:34:57 PM
Okay so he missed a sitter today but what striker doesn't miss a few every now and again.  I don't disagree with those who advocate we sell him in the summer, his contract situation will dictate that we do but like it or not he is still our biggest asset and we are entitled to a decent sum.   Lets not forget he is still only 22, is English and is more than capable of scoring 20 odd goals in a half decent side.  As for those wishing him away in January, what if Rondon was to get injured? That would leave us with Lambert and Vic to fill the void.. no thanks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 07, 2015, 10:32:55 PM
It was an awful miss but looking at the replay he simply over-ran it a touch and ended up trying to adjust his heading position at the moment the ball reached him....he seemed to be caught out by the curl on the ball on from Dawson.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 07, 2015, 10:37:49 PM
I actually think it shows how much better they are starting to operate together.

I think I saw some real connections happening today, and pity me because I had to sit in the Neanderthal man end....

I freaking hope I'm right there....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 08, 2015, 09:42:58 AM
It was an awful miss but looking at the replay he simply over-ran it a touch and ended up trying to adjust his heading position at the moment the ball reached him....he seemed to be caught out by the curl on the ball on from Dawson.

personally I thought he bottled it, mind he's only a young boy (hes 22  :o) and maybe he was afraid of hurting his head with that nasty hard ball.
Some of the view points on this board do make me smile.
Harry Kane is 22, Eric Dier is 21, Danny Ings is 23, Oxlaide Chamberlain is 22, all young men but light years ahead of Berahino is terms of developement, ability and attitude.
How long will his 'admirers' keep using 'he's only a young man' as an excuse for his below parr performance?
If spuds or anyone else offer the money that's being mentioned then providing Pulis is allowed to bring in a suitable replacement then we should snap their arms off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on November 08, 2015, 10:47:57 AM
Yesterday's miss was pretty shocking but his heading ability has always been the weakest part of his game. In general his form has been poor this season, that said I really don't buy the fact that in November he is somehow still suffering physically from the games he missed in August.

Ultimately there will be a parting of the ways but I am afraid his stock is falling by the week, we will be lucky to get £15m for him in January and if his current form persists even less by the summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on November 08, 2015, 11:44:31 AM
Said he wouldn't play for peace again and looks like he's keeping his word. I'd play vic a head of him at the moment
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 08, 2015, 01:05:18 PM
I disagree.  Spurs were a disgrace with the way they approached it, with such a small down payment which would have left us with no cash to buy a replacement.

It was an "offer" which the club had no alternative but to reject.

You honestly believe that? TV revenues on the up, profits on the up... We'd have had enough to make a good offer for someone. Instead we got stuck with a want away who has been very indifferent. Ultimately he has had one fantastic season. That is all.

Jeffers, Heskey, Ricketts...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 08, 2015, 01:27:09 PM
I feel that his value to other clubs is going down.
Which is really a boost to our own squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on November 08, 2015, 02:04:51 PM
You honestly believe that? TV revenues on the up, profits on the up... We'd have had enough to make a good offer for someone. Instead we got stuck with a want away who has been very indifferent. Ultimately he has had one fantastic season. That is all.

Jeffers, Heskey, Ricketts...

Yes, I honestly believe that.  You overlook the fact that we had already bought several players.  Cash flow is important and it wasn't there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 08, 2015, 02:27:24 PM
Okay so he missed a sitter today but what striker doesn't miss a few every now and again.  I don't disagree with those who advocate we sell him in the summer, his contract situation will dictate that we do but like it or not he is still our biggest asset and we are entitled to a decent sum.   Lets not forget he is still only 22, is English and is more than capable of scoring 20 odd goals in a half decent side.  As for those wishing him away in January, what if Rondon was to get injured? That would leave us with Lambert and Vic to fill the void.. no thanks.

I agree with this.

Saido is a bit of a knob but he is our best bet for scoring goals and unfortunately that makes him far too valuable to us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 08, 2015, 04:50:31 PM
personally I thought he bottled it, mind he's only a young boy (hes 22  :o) and maybe he was afraid of hurting his head with that nasty hard ball.
Some of the view points on this board do make me smile.
Harry Kane is 22, Eric Dier is 21, Danny Ings is 23, Oxlaide Chamberlain is 22, all young men but light years ahead of Berahino is terms of developement, ability and attitude.
How long will his 'admirers' keep using 'he's only a young man' as an excuse for his below parr performance?
If spuds or anyone else offer the money that's being mentioned then providing Pulis is allowed to bring in a suitable replacement then we should snap their arms off.
Well you share the views of Shearer and Ian Wright who should know a bit about heading a ball but in my opinion are not great analysts of the game. Each to his own but for me he just overran it a shade and adjusted awkwardly at the last moment.....a better header of the ball would have timed it/adjusted that bit better. I guess this is why Rondon is always going to be preferred to Saido as the main focal point with his added height and better heading ability.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 08, 2015, 05:12:04 PM
Yes, I honestly believe that.  You overlook the fact that we had already bought several players.  Cash flow is important and it wasn't there.


I don't overlook it, I just believe we would have been able to make a reasonable down payment on someone if Beraihno went. You cannot categorically say the funds weren't there, likewise I can't say they were. But previous accounts suggest that we'd have enough.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 08, 2015, 07:45:44 PM


I don't overlook it, I just believe we would have been able to make a reasonable down payment on someone if Beraihno went. You cannot categorically say the funds weren't there, likewise I can't say they were. But previous accounts suggest that we'd have enough.

I think it's pretty obvious the funds weren't there or we'd have accepted the low ball down payment and signed the other 3 players Pulis had lined up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 08, 2015, 08:59:52 PM
I think it's pretty obvious the funds weren't there or we'd have accepted the low ball down payment and signed the other 3 players Pulis had lined up.

Who were, and at what cost? Potentially signing one player, ball park figure of £10m with a down payment of £5m, is completely different to signing 3.

We could have commanded Adebayor as part of the deal on a season long loan paying no fee and a fraction of his wages. We had outs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 08, 2015, 09:07:50 PM
Who were, and at what cost? Potentially signing one player, ball park figure of £10m with a down payment of £5m, is completely different to signing 3.

We could have commanded Adebayor as part of the deal on a season long loan paying no fee and a fraction of his wages. We had outs.

This isn't football manager mate, Adebayor is a player Albion wouldn't touch with a barge pole.

I will clarify my point, Pulis thought he needed 3 players to account for the loss of Saido, everything was in place to sign these players hence Pulis remaining at the training ground all day. Then Peace rejected Spurs derisory offer and Pulis went home. It makes it pretty obvious that the funds were not in place for Pulis to do the business he felt we needed to do if we were to lose Saido Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 08, 2015, 09:29:20 PM
This isn't football manager mate, Adebayor is a player Albion wouldn't touch with a barge pole.

I will clarify my point, Pulis thought he needed 3 players to account for the loss of Saido, everything was in place to sign these players hence Pulis remaining at the training ground all day. Then Peace rejected Spurs derisory offer and Pulis went home. It makes it pretty obvious that the funds were not in place for Pulis to do the business he felt we needed to do if we were to lose Saido Berahino.

That's three players though. I'd be willing to bet there was money there for one, which my original point I put across to someone else.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on November 08, 2015, 10:45:41 PM
That's three players though. I'd be willing to bet there was money there for one, which my original point I put across to someone else.

But the one might have not been a striker, and we needed a striker if Saido was to be sold.   There would have been uproar if we had sold Saido and spent money on just a midfielder, and understandably so.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 09, 2015, 04:06:08 AM
But the one might have not been a striker, and we needed a striker if Saido was to be sold.   There would have been uproar if we had sold Saido and spent money on just a midfielder, and understandably so.

If you look back to the original point it was regarding a replacement for Berainho. You've skewed it into three players, now one who might not even be a striker...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on November 09, 2015, 07:37:57 AM
If you look back to the original point it was regarding a replacement for Berainho. You've skewed it into three players, now one who might not even be a striker...

I've reached the conclusion that you don't seem to understand how the football money world works, or how this club operates within it to stay solvent.

We know that TP had 3 players lined up to buy if the Saido sale money came through.  It didn't, because the Spurs "offer" only contained a tiny amount up front, which was not enough to enable us to cash flow the up front payment on his intended replacement.  My point is that the amount of up front cash from Spurs may only have been enough to buy one of the other two targeted players, who probably weren't strikers, leaving us without Saido and without a striker replacement.

Really not sure what's so hard to grasp about that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 09, 2015, 07:53:33 AM
I've reached the conclusion that you don't seem to understand how the football money world works, or how this club operates within it to stay solvent.

We know that TP had 3 players lined up to buy if the Saido sale money came through.  It didn't, because the Spurs "offer" only contained a tiny amount up front, which was not enough to enable us to cash flow the up front payment on his intended replacement.  My point is that the amount of up front cash from Spurs may only have been enough to buy one of the other two targeted players, who probably weren't strikers, leaving us without Saido and without a striker replacement.

Really not sure what's so hard to grasp about that.

And you believe Peace would allow a first team squad of 25 fully fledged professionals? 3 players were never going to replace one. Even if Spurs gave us £25m up front. Clearly we both are lacking in certain areas.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on November 09, 2015, 10:26:05 AM
I have always felt that Pulis wanted to sell Saido but for obvious and well documented reasons it didn't happen. I also think he would have liked to unload Gamboa, Pocognoli and Sessegnon. Had all those players had gone I think we might have seen 3/4 bought it in one of whom would have been a striker.

There is no point in giving Pulis a 25 man squad we have a 23 man squad at least 4 of whom have barely kicked a ball in anger  this season we really don't need to paying another couple of people to watch from the stands.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 11, 2015, 03:11:21 PM
Here we go, the saga continues.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3313837/Saido-Berahino-s-future-doubt-West-Brom-striker-stalling-new-deal.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on November 11, 2015, 03:37:38 PM
Rehashed article all about nothing to fill type.
Nothing new whatsoever.
The only here we go again in this instance is that started by horny handed, itchy fingered 6 toed journo's.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 11, 2015, 03:58:07 PM
you who buy these rags keep them in a job
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on November 11, 2015, 04:42:23 PM
Well you share the views of Shearer and Ian Wright who should know a bit about heading a ball but in my opinion are not great analysts of the game. Each to his own but for me he just overran it a shade and adjusted awkwardly at the last moment.....a better header of the ball would have timed it/adjusted that bit better. I guess this is why Rondon is always going to be preferred to Saido as the main focal point with his added height and better heading ability.

I saw it yesterday for the first time. IMO he tried to place the ball, if he'd just ran on, it would have gone in. When I heard the Shearer comment, I thought he was close to a clash of heads, but there was no-one near him. No way did Saido bottle that, it was an error of judgement that's all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on November 12, 2015, 05:26:09 AM
So SB stalling on new contract - hardly a surprise - every Albion fan and his dog knew that would happen.  Need to get rid and let Pulis get the players he wants in Jan. If the entertainment value does not then improve then the door revolves again!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fentbaggie on November 12, 2015, 10:56:43 AM
Just have to say - As much as us Baggies have had a go at Saido Berahino recently, I've just posted this on my Facebook page but think everyone on here should have a read too...

I work for a charity called Kids 'n' Cancer and we are currently desperately raising funds to send 2 year old Alexander Vinson, who has developed a rare form of brain tumour, to the US for Proton Therapy treatment (this is what our charity does).

I tweeted Alex's picture and JustGiving link out to hundreds of influential and celebrity Twitter accounts during yesterday evening - from Prince Harry and President Obama to Ant & Dec - and the ONLY one so far to have retweeted and liked it (within an hour of tweeting) was our Saido!

Credit where credits due - good on you Saido, you're still a kid yourself, but you're also a true gent.

Incidentally - and not sure if Admin will allow this link or not - but if any of my fellow Baggies here can please follow Saido's lead - Alex's JustGiving page is at http://tinyurl.com/q8gbrd4
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 12, 2015, 11:11:36 AM
Well done Saido and well done you Fentbaggie, really hope we can help this family win the biggest fight they will ever face.
Cannot begin to imagine what they are going through.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 12, 2015, 02:41:08 PM
So SB stalling on new contract - hardly a surprise - every Albion fan and his dog knew that would happen.  Need to get rid and let Pulis get the players he wants in Jan. If the entertainment value does not then improve then the door revolves again!

a non story according to Brummie Mail.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/saido-berahino-real-story-west-10432042
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on November 13, 2015, 02:12:53 PM
Simple question, very tricky to answer, is his head in it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 15, 2015, 09:57:16 AM
Newcastle reportedly interested as well.
That's what we need, a few teams interested so that we can get the price up.
Not sure why he'd want to go to Newcastle though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 15, 2015, 07:03:57 PM
Newcastle reportedly interested as well.
That's what we need, a few teams interested so that we can get the price up.
Not sure why he'd want to go to Newcastle though.

 broon ale, chips and slags.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on November 15, 2015, 08:27:10 PM
Jesse Lingard called into the England Squad.  Saido well down the pecking order now.  All down to attitude and application.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on November 15, 2015, 09:20:23 PM
Newcastle 20m?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 15, 2015, 11:40:30 PM
15 tops.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on November 15, 2015, 11:46:51 PM
15 tops.

I think we will get at least £20m in January for him. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FLETCH on November 16, 2015, 08:03:01 AM
need to get him out ASAP now.... he will just pull other people down.... id rather see someone put in 100% effort even if not as good over all as saido than him being a bellend about it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 16, 2015, 08:06:24 AM
Another footballer who wont be welcome back
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on November 16, 2015, 09:43:04 AM
need to get him out ASAP now.... he will just pull other people down.... id rather see someone put in 100% effort even if not as good over all as saido than him being a bellend about it.

Though i hate what he did on on facebook & in the media over his transfer i can now understand why if he's only on £15.000?  a week (bet big rons on more than that)  but he could have handled it far better.
I would surgest to him that He buckles down in training & concentrate on his football.
I would also suggest to the club that they offer the lad a proper contract with a weekly wage to match, i would hope he would sign & then "Maybe" his England career might be resurrected. 

Just because we brought him through from the age of 11 till doesn't mean we don't have to pay him the going rate. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 16, 2015, 11:54:06 AM
whatever we get I just hope it's used for some creativity.

I do think his value will have dropped since August but January is usually the silly season as far as transfers go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 16, 2015, 02:32:43 PM
the Toon can have him. championship football for both hopefully
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 17, 2015, 10:07:30 AM
I think we will get at least £20m in January for him. 

We will do very well to get that kind of money for him now with his current contract situation and the fact he seems to look less interested in playing by the game. Our only hope of getting £20m+ was him signing a new deal with a minimum release clause with him in good form, after his twitter outburst it left the situation with absolutely no winners.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieblood on November 17, 2015, 09:19:52 PM
He's disgrace.

I was so proud when he got into the England squad and so disappointed when he didn't come on.

Now his disgusting attitude and fat belly have denied him a certain couple of caps with all the injuries.

Even the likes of Ings have got a cap now whilst fatboy bottles simple headers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on November 18, 2015, 05:23:58 AM
The quite reliable John Percy of The Telegraph is reporting today that Chelsea have added Saido Berahino to their list of striker targets and are considering a £20million bid in January.
Berahino, the West Bromwich Albion forward, has emerged as one of the strikers on Chelsea’s shortlist for the New Year as the Premier League champions prepare to strengthen their squad.
With Radamel Falcao expected to depart Stamford Bridge when the transfer window reopens, Jose Mourinho is planning to recruit at least one new striker and there is growing support behind a move to sign Berahino. See more:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/12002046/Chelsea-transfer-news-West-Broms-20m-Saido-Berahino-added-to-Stamford-Bridge-transfer-targets.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on November 18, 2015, 07:04:33 AM
Thats it now, his head will be gone. Once 'spoilt brat' knows Jose is interested he will be all over the place. Lets just hope that Chelsea make a sizeable payment up front and not look for a Littlewoods catalogue payment plan. 

Sell and move on
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2015, 08:03:19 AM
and some still sing his name
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on November 18, 2015, 08:44:13 AM
Thats it now, his head will be gone. Once 'spoilt brat' knows Jose is interested he will be all over the place. Lets just hope that Chelsea make a sizeable payment up front and not look for a Littlewoods catalogue payment plan. 

Sell and move on

I disagree, if anything, we will get more out of Saido in the coming months with this strong rumour out there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 18, 2015, 08:48:05 AM
I disagree, if anything, we will get more out of Saido in the coming months with this strong rumour out there.

I hope you are right. It might give him the impetus to start playing again to get a move anywhere' never mind to Chelsea.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on November 18, 2015, 09:22:25 AM
Should never sell to a relegation rival ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on November 18, 2015, 09:25:33 AM
£20 million for Berahino !? This would be highway robbery! Sell, sell, sell! You won't get a better offer than that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on November 18, 2015, 09:27:32 AM
The quite reliable John Percy of The Telegraph is reporting today that Chelsea have added Saido Berahino to their list of striker targets and are considering a £20million bid in January.
Berahino, the West Bromwich Albion forward, has emerged as one of the strikers on Chelsea’s shortlist for the New Year as the Premier League champions prepare to strengthen their squad.
With Radamel Falcao expected to depart Stamford Bridge when the transfer window reopens, Jose Mourinho is planning to recruit at least one new striker and there is growing support behind a move to sign Berahino. See more:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/12002046/Chelsea-transfer-news-West-Broms-20m-Saido-Berahino-added-to-Stamford-Bridge-transfer-targets.html
If he goes there I don't see him getting much game time. Him and Izzy could share a bench though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 18, 2015, 09:40:22 AM
£20 million for Berahino !? This would be highway robbery! Sell, sell, sell! You won't get a better offer than that.
Despite issues he got 14 prem goals last year in a side not noted for creating lots of chances....he's young English so no it's not highway robbery.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aztech on November 18, 2015, 10:23:52 AM
£20 million for Berahino !? This would be highway robbery! Sell, sell, sell! You won't get a better offer than that.

"You won't get a better offer than that".

Shouldnt that be:

"We won't get a better offer than that".  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on November 18, 2015, 10:26:18 AM
£20 million for Berahino !? This would be highway robbery! Sell, sell, sell! You won't get a better offer than that.

More evidence that you are not a WBA fan.

All your posts are to winde posters up.

Your username is obvious you are here to take the pi55.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on November 18, 2015, 10:27:28 AM
Should never sell to a relegation rival ;)


Simple the best reply ever posted. :D :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on November 18, 2015, 10:34:22 AM
More evidence that you are not a WBA fan.

All your posts are to winde posters up.

Your username is obvious you are here to take the pi55.

I just ignore him M666EYS and I wish others would too. His comments are worded to cause reaction and he thrives on 'bites'. He must be off school today - he should be in double maths......

He is a complete clown.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on November 18, 2015, 10:47:40 AM
Depending on the structure of the payments, I can't see West Brom turning down £20m+ in January. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on November 18, 2015, 11:10:13 AM
Depending on the structure of the payments, I can't see West Brom turning down £20m+ in January.

I can see us taking that too, particularly if there is a reasonable cash up front element to the deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on November 18, 2015, 11:34:06 AM
As much as I would like the Chelsea link to be true at £20m I cannot see it happening. His form has been so poor I doubt any of the bigger clubs would be interested. I think his best hope of a move will be somewhere like Newcastle and the fee is likely to be in in the £10m-£15m range. Personally I would take it he isn't going to sign a new contract and at the moment is doing nothing to justify being offered one and such won't be missed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on November 18, 2015, 12:17:15 PM
I would be surprised if Chelsea or one of the real top boys were in for him.

Prior to this season he had two good seasons, is young, english and scores goals which apparently is what everyone wants and still the only club to show a real interest were Spurs and they werent exactly desperate to get him!

Whatever it is there seemed to be something holding the big boys back going for him when you would think he ticks most boxes, this season will of done little to make him more appealing to them either.

I said in the summer Spurs would of been ideal for him, a young vibrant team who attack and create chances but dont have the pressure of being a Man United or Chelsea player, sadly for him Spurs didnt want him that much and i think he is going backwards under us and realistically he will end up at a Newcastle or West Ham.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 18, 2015, 12:59:03 PM
Unfortunately I can’t see this Chelsea story being true, probably just his agent trying to stir a bit of interest before January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2015, 01:20:28 PM
he most likely taking part for celeb fat club in Jan anyway
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on November 18, 2015, 04:16:34 PM
He's disgrace.

I was so proud when he got into the England squad and so disappointed when he didn't come on.

Now his disgusting attitude and fat belly have denied him a certain couple of caps with all the injuries.

Even the likes of Ings have got a cap now whilst fatboy bottles simple headers.

Apparently them few days spent with England was exactly the reason he didn't and won't be called up for a good while.

Senior pros wernt fans of he's.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on November 18, 2015, 11:36:37 PM
His head has got as big as his backside and if we can get 20 plus million for him I'd take it no problem. The boy is a bit of a dick if you ask me, an ungrateful pleb
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sparky123 on November 19, 2015, 04:29:05 PM
Talking to a bloke who knows a bloke type of thing he reckons Burundi lad is not on 2016 calender
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2015, 04:50:44 PM
Talking to a bloke who knows a bloke type of thing he reckons Burundi lad is not on 2016 calender

thats common knowledge that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on November 19, 2015, 09:06:13 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/saido-berahino-gunning-arsenal-after-6855194



Saido Berahino gunning for Arsenal after working on fitness over the international break


Saido Berahino has Arsenal in his sights this weekend after trainng daily in the international break to lose weight and sharpen up.

Berahino has not scored for over a month and missed a costly free header at Manchester United in West Brom's 2-0 loss.

Baggies boss Tony Pulis has been critical of the forward's fitness since his collapsed deadline day move to Spurs.

But the £25million-rated forward, 22, came in everyday last week for extra gym and ball work in a bid to add to his three goals this term.

And Hawthorns coach Ben Garner reckons both Berahino and Albion can reap the benefits ahead of Arsenal's visit on Saturday.

"Tuesday's session, that's the best I've seen Saido in training since I've come to the club," said Garner, who joined in October from Crystal Palace.

"He looked really sharp, he looked hungry and he was excellent, which is great.

"He was in all of last week, he didn't have any days off so he trained every day, worked really hard and showed a good attitude towards it.

"Because it's competition for places, I think it's every player's responsibility to be as fit as they possibly can be to make the best of their ability.

"Saido has got wonderful talent, but it's up to him to be in peak physical condition to make the most of that talent."


He remains uncapped after a controversial 12 months in which he has been punished for drink driving and also threatened to go on strike when a move to Spurs collapsed.

But Garner insisted: “With Saido, he's got as good a chance as anyone of being in that squad for the summer because if he gets in the team and plays well and scores goals he's as good as any young English forward.

"The chance is there for him if he takes it here at West Brom.

"If Saido can hit good form here and play well and score goals, then I'm sure he’ll be straight back in the frame for the England squad.

"What Roy Hodgson has done with the England team, he has selected a lot on form which in some ways is right because it rewards good form and it rewards those doing well in the league at the time.

"It keeps all the English players motivated because they know 'if I'm doing well I'm going to get an opportunity'."

.......................................................................................


Fairplay Saido, funny how no one picked up on this story, sure if it was something bad everyone would be all over it. Seems like most people would rather have players 'who put a shift in' rather than someone with natural class, no wonder we struggle to progress.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 19, 2015, 10:39:12 PM
Funny how no-one picked up on this story?? That's not a story...it's a novel. ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on November 20, 2015, 07:37:44 AM
Still shouldn't start against any of the big teams. Only play him at home against teams where 3 points is the aim.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on November 20, 2015, 08:56:49 AM
Maybe the little mug realises that he can forget about a move to a top club or getting in the England squad if he doesn't improve his fitness and start scoring goals again!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on November 20, 2015, 01:27:37 PM
Let's not forget Saido needs us in the short term if 1) he wants a big money move and 2) if he wants to play for England (which would also help his big money move).

I think he'll be one of those players who one day looks great but goes missing for a bit on plenty of others because his head isn't screwed on right to be a top top player. The comments above were clearly aimed at reminding Saido why he needs to work harder (1 and 2 above). I'd say it looks like he's starting at the weekend and this is intended to get him going a bit.............I'd still take £20m+ and replace him with a couple of players who will be more consistent and add more to the team all round.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on November 20, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
If we could sell him for £20mil and replace him with Matt Phillips and Charlie Austin, I'd take that every day of the week!!!

Berahino shouldn't be in a position where in November, he needs to do extra work to get his fitness up to where it needs to be! The lad has serious talent, but does he have the necessary brains to apply himself?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 20, 2015, 01:40:33 PM
Still shouldn't start against any of the big teams. Only play him at home against teams where 3 points is the aim.

What a great way to strangle his valuation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on November 20, 2015, 01:51:40 PM
What a great way to strangle his valuation.

What's most important for the club right now is to get results and avoid relegation. They're not here to act as a platform for a player to inflate his asking price.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 20, 2015, 02:37:15 PM
What's most important for the club right now is to get results and avoid relegation. They're not here to act as a platform for a player to inflate his asking price.

We're not in danger of relegation. He's always going to be worth a starting place.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on November 20, 2015, 03:02:20 PM
I know he's been a right t*t but he's still our only real matchwinner. We need to get behind him and not crucify him. He'll be another Odemwingie. We won't realise what we have until he's gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on November 20, 2015, 03:59:49 PM
I know he's been a right t*t but he's still our only real matchwinner. We need to get behind him and not crucify him. He'll be another Odemwingie. We won't realise what we have until he's gone.

It doesn't matter if we get behind him or not - he seems to do what he wants! Our support counts for pretty much naff all with him - if his head is in the game, he will perform...if it isn't, he doesn't bother! To be out of shape come November is poor to say the least!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on November 20, 2015, 05:44:24 PM
Always the same, like before when everyone loved Long but wanted rid of Odemwingie when only one of them was actually a good footballer and could win us games and the other just ran.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on November 21, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
A fit and firing Berahino in a team that utilises his abilities is an asset. However he is not in form is not fully fit according to Pulis and nor is the team set up in a way that gets the best out of him. At this moment in time he does not justify his place in the team.

We are now at the point where he has to leave the club to rescue his career and we need to sell him before last season' s form is just a distant memory and we will struggle to get any sort of fee for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
A fit and firing Berahino in a team that utilises his abilities is an asset. However he is not in form is not fully fit according to Pulis and nor is the team set up in a way that gets the best out of him. At this moment in time he does not justify his place in the team.

We are now at the point where he has to leave the club to rescue his career and we need to sell him before last season' s form is just a distant memory and we will struggle to get any sort of fee for him.

You make in depth and interesting posts, but you've become the ultimate naysayer on here. It's not all doom and gloom, and while I disagree entirely with your point the highlighted parts just aren't true. Firstly WBA do not care one jot about SB's career unless it is here with us, and rightly so. Secondly, he will not lose value due to form, his value will reduce only as his contract runs down. What the club need to do is convince the lad to re-sign.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on November 21, 2015, 03:07:33 PM
I'd bet at least half of the premier league would 'rescue Saido from his West Brom Hell'!  :) Hopefully he scores 4 or 5 in the next month and we can get rid of him for a good fee in January.  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on November 21, 2015, 09:15:11 PM
He may not be playing well but at least he has learnt to take the ball to the corner flag in the last few minutes to wind down a game ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on November 21, 2015, 11:06:00 PM
You make in depth and interesting posts, but you've become the ultimate naysayer on here. It's not all doom and gloom, and while I disagree entirely with your point the highlighted parts just aren't true. Firstly WBA do not care one jot about SB's career unless it is here with us, and rightly so. Secondly, he will not lose value due to form, his value will reduce only as his contract runs down. What the club need to do is convince the lad to re-sign.

I know that Berahino's career is not an issue for the club but the fact that it looks stalled here i.e. not in the team and no obvious spot in the current set up will do nothing to lessen his desire to leave. Unless he signs a new deal then the contract situation will force our hand but not being in the limelight and being out of form is going to do nothing for the fee that he will generate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on November 22, 2015, 02:08:29 PM
not even in the starting line up l cant see anyone coming in for him in the transfer window,especially at 20m,if Morrison stays fit and pulis adopts the 5 in midfield approach like today,and it worked he might not start many games at all
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 22, 2015, 03:23:41 PM
I will be amazed if a top club comes in for him with his attitude, it stinks. get rid asap
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: keithowba86 on November 22, 2015, 09:03:31 PM
Add Saido to the Spurs team and they win the league!! 20 million well spent I think they'd argue...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on November 22, 2015, 10:05:31 PM
Ok.. I have been told by someone who has been surprisingly accurate this summer...

There is a serious plan to unite Harry Kane & Saido in a team....

but that team is not Spurs (and not this window)

Expect Man Utd to throw money at both in January and next summer....

Well that is what he says

I've been told that this is still what is the plan..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 22, 2015, 10:37:02 PM
I've been told that this is still what is the plan..

And where does Martial who is a better player than either fit into this masterplan?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on November 22, 2015, 11:04:41 PM
And where does Martial who is a better player than either fit into this masterplan?

What? .... you reckon they wouldn't want all three on the books




Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 22, 2015, 11:28:49 PM
I don't think they'd touch Berahino with yours mate.  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on November 23, 2015, 12:29:01 PM
Can saido get to 50 goals in the premier league before His 23 rd birthday  and how many does he need?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on November 23, 2015, 12:31:51 PM
He's got 22 goals in the Premier League. 44 in all League competitions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 24, 2015, 08:55:56 AM
Chelski bound?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 24, 2015, 01:57:16 PM
Man U, Spuds, Chelsea all mentioned, bet Jezza's getting quite excited now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieblood on November 24, 2015, 02:26:22 PM
Talking of jezza, i wonder if he deducted the cost of the shirt and big numbers from brunt's wages.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on November 24, 2015, 02:31:07 PM
For those if you with the Sky Sports football app (sorry can't paste the article here) there's a thoroughly pointless article about Berahino 'growing up' on there that's well worth a read merely for it's humour value.

Claims he's learnt to appreciate the need to get things back on track and that he worked hard in training last week. Oh fab, maybe he can work hard on the pitch too once in a while.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieblood on November 24, 2015, 05:01:53 PM
The bloke is a disgrace and he never learns and these words are more empty words.

I bet he's tucking into 2 extra large pizzas as  i write.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 24, 2015, 06:09:12 PM
I'm getting thoroughly bored with him. Loan him to Walsall.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on November 24, 2015, 08:25:16 PM
Start him up front. Best player in the squad!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on November 25, 2015, 12:43:04 AM
Get rid in January otherwise Jessa will have to go to Addis and invest in a stadium top for him mister legend backside
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 25, 2015, 06:17:39 AM
Start him up front. Best player in the squad!

 :D I did laugh  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 25, 2015, 07:35:38 AM
Start him up front. Best player in the squad!

Hi Saido. God is good.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on November 25, 2015, 08:48:47 AM
For those if you with the Sky Sports football app (sorry can't paste the article here) there's a thoroughly pointless article about Berahino 'growing up' on there that's well worth a read merely for it's humour value.

Claims he's learnt to appreciate the need to get things back on track and that he worked hard in training last week. Oh fab, maybe he can work hard on the pitch too once in a while.
He´s got to get in the team first. If anywhere near right physically and in the head he would start for me in the central striking position.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on November 25, 2015, 09:00:41 AM
He´s got to get in the team first. If anywhere near right physically and in the head he would start for me in the central striking position.

And there lies the problem!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on November 25, 2015, 09:26:24 AM
Hi Saido. God is good.

Lol. He's been a prat a couple of times but that's just part of growing up, I know I've been one on many occasions but I cant see how anyone who has watched him over the last two and a half years can doubt his ability, fantastic finisher of a ball and without him we would have been playing championship football either last season or this season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: palmaroy on November 25, 2015, 09:48:41 AM
What does he actually provide for the team.Theres very little pace,no awareness of when to pass the ball ,pathetic attempt at tracking back,the annoying look on his face must bring the team spirit down 20%.  He does take a very good penalty though,perhaps he is worth 20 million
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 25, 2015, 10:30:13 AM
he will excel in the right team but not here under our brand, shame really. he needs to go in Jan
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 25, 2015, 11:40:19 AM
he will excel in the right team but not here under our brand, shame really. he needs to go in Jan

I agree. He needs to go asap while his stock is fairly high. Another couple of seasons on the wing under Pulis and he will just be another one of those English striker that failed to cut the mustard.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on November 25, 2015, 01:53:34 PM
Wasn't a lot of hate on here for Saido after Villa away, and we call Villa fans fickle... ::)

The kid hasn't got a chance, ostracised by the Head Coach and ridiculed by fans, just like a certain Mr Odemwingie who we still miss to this day.

Saido will be missed when he's gone. Can't wait until we have to rely on Rickie Lambert to score the goals to keep us up! :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on November 25, 2015, 02:11:49 PM
Perhaps we've taken it personally that a kid we gave an amazing chance to aged 10 and then we developed for 10 years has apparently treated the club like a stepping stone and at times disregarded the fact that it's not peace but about 30,000 others that he owes? Respect cuts both ways after all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on November 25, 2015, 03:35:20 PM
I think that the more we can play without him the better for us.because in his head he's at some so called big club.just use him now and again bring him down to earth then sell him in Jan and get players who want to play for us.what about trying NABI instead?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on November 25, 2015, 03:45:32 PM
Perhaps we've taken it personally that a kid we gave an amazing chance to aged 10 and then we developed for 10 years has apparently treated the club like a stepping stone and at times disregarded the fact that it's not peace but about 30,000 others that he owes? Respect cuts both ways after all.
spot on
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on November 25, 2015, 04:00:05 PM
Perhaps we've taken it personally that a kid we gave an amazing chance to aged 10 and then we developed for 10 years has apparently treated the club like a stepping stone and at times disregarded the fact that it's not peace but about 30,000 others that he owes? Respect cuts both ways after all.

Bang on! The lad hasn't treated anyone at the club with any respect, and has time after time shown a shocking attitude with not an ounce of gratitude or humility! I really don't care if it is to the detriment of the playing side of things - I will be happier once he has gone!

I reckon he could break into your nans home and pooh on her dinner, and still some would come out and support him!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on November 25, 2015, 05:37:06 PM
Bang on! The lad hasn't treated anyone at the club with any respect, and has time after time shown a shocking attitude with not an ounce of gratitude or humility! I really don't care if it is to the detriment of the playing side of things - I will be happier once he has gone!

I reckon he could break into your nans home and pooh on her dinner, and still some would come out and support him!

He has done a couple of stupid things as a young lad that's about it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on November 25, 2015, 06:56:42 PM
Wasn't a lot of hate on here for Saido after Villa away, and we call Villa fans fickle... ::)

The kid hasn't got a chance, ostracised by the Head Coach and ridiculed by fans, just like a certain Mr Odemwingie who we still miss to this day.

Saido will be missed when he's gone. Can't wait until we have to rely on Rickie Lambert to score the goals to keep us up! :o

I think your last bit about him being missed is spot on (when hes on form) I dont agree about him being ostracised infact Pulis has had little choice given his attitude.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 25, 2015, 07:20:54 PM
We now seem to play over half the match without him.
We haven't really suffered, so does he justify a start at the beginning?
I don't think so.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 25, 2015, 07:32:33 PM
He's out of form. Needed to score the Watford and Man United goals at the very least. Still an excellent player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on November 25, 2015, 07:48:18 PM
He's out of form. Needed to score the Watford and Man United goals at the very least. Still an excellent player.
Yes, he is out of form, and, at the moment, doesn't deserve to be in the starting 11. But his loss of form is at least partly down to being overweight, uninterested, sulking, and having a poor work rate. Sort out these things and the form may return and he will get his move.
Conversely, continue the way he is at the minute and there isn't a snowflakes chance of a move to a bigger club than us, not a snowflakes chance of his form returning, and not a snowflakes chance of us getting a big fee for him.
Given his previous form, I reckon the second option is the more likely, don't you?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 25, 2015, 07:53:45 PM
Not sure I agree when people pintpoint the blame away from the likes of Berahino and Odemwingie and turn it towards the fans. Lets face it, the reason both of them get a raw deal from supporters is because both have acted like complete and utter pricks and embarrassed the football club and themselves.

If both of them had used Twitter appropriately and not as some medium to slag off the chairman, previous head coaches, team-mates and fans then the fans would have welcomed them both. The reason both are becoming or became untenable here was problems of their own making.

Both had the potential to be firm favourites here, one had achieved legendary status but both ruined it out of selfishness, stupidity and greed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on November 25, 2015, 08:05:05 PM
Not sure I agree when people pintpoint the blame away from the likes of Berahino and Odemwingie and turn it towards the fans. Lets face it, the reason both of them get a raw deal from supporters is because both have acted like complete and utter pricks and embarrassed the football club and themselves.

If both of them had used Twitter appropriately and not as some medium to slag off the chairman, previous head coaches, team-mates and fans then the fans would have welcomed them both. The reason both are becoming or became untenable here was problems of their own making.

Both had the potential to be firm favourites here, one had achieved legendary status but both ruined it out of selfishness, stupidity and greed.
I agree with most of that, I admit odemwingie made matters worse after the event but I think there's more to it than what we know regarding the qpr saga, someone surely allowed him to go down there and he did make himself look a tit but the club isn't innocent in that fiasco.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on November 25, 2015, 08:21:34 PM
I accept he's messed up a few times but people are saying that they hate him and that which is a joke! I'm sure I saw somewhere Astle went on strike after the 1970 World Cup as he wanted more money, thank god the fans forgave him!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 25, 2015, 08:26:44 PM
still quite a few singing his name in the smethwick on saturday i heard
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 25, 2015, 09:02:19 PM
I agree with most of that, I admit odemwingie made matters worse after the event but I think there's more to it than what we know regarding the qpr saga, someone surely allowed him to go down there and he did make himself look a tit but the club isn't innocent in that fiasco.

Not so much a problem with that

But to openly criticise team mates, coaches, chairman, fans and previous head coach on Twitter? Very poor and after what happened in January then he left himself with no position here really.

He was also bloody awful when he returned - his performance at Norwich where he constantly shot on sight summed him up.

He's done nothing since leaving us anyway and if Berahino doesn't book his ideas up and start growing up then he too will follow a similar path.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on November 25, 2015, 09:11:20 PM
I accept he's messed up a few times but people are saying that they hate him and that which is a joke! I'm sure I saw somewhere Astle went on strike after the 1970 World Cup as he wanted more money, thank god the fans forgave him!

I certainly don't hate him, I just feel the same indifference about him as he seems to feel about the fans and club. The best thing for everyone is to flog him for as much money as possible as soon as possible. He doesn't want to be here and the fans will never take to him now. Good luck to him , he's got the potential to be very good but I'd rather see a couple of hungry wide players come in.  You can't mention him and Astle in the same breath by the way as people or players!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 26, 2015, 10:57:37 PM
Tells you all you need to know when the manager who has backed him pretty much 100% through all of his issues knowing the quality he has recently came out and said he has lost focus and fitness. That is the only reason he has been out of the team in my opinion, a fully fit and fully focused Berahino is in the starting XI every week even if it is out wide or tucked in behind Rondon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on November 27, 2015, 10:11:37 AM
Tells you all you need to know when the manager who has backed him pretty much 100% through all of his issues knowing the quality he has recently came out and said he has lost focus and fitness. That is the only reason he has been out of the team in my opinion, a fully fit and fully focused Berahino is in the starting XI every week even if it is out wide or tucked in behind Rondon.
But the point is that he isn't fully fit and fully focused, and there is no sign that it's about to change any time soon. It may never change, at least not while he is on our books. I expect him to be spending a lot more time on the bench in the immediate future, and rightly so in his current form/state of mind.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 27, 2015, 10:15:02 AM
pathetic really,Hes got a 10 year career in football. hes going about it in the wrong way. whos advising him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 27, 2015, 10:24:50 AM
pathetic really,Hes got a 10 year career in football. hes going about it in the wrong way. whos advising him
The voices in his head. ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 27, 2015, 11:21:39 AM
The voices in his head. ;)


whats his name.Frank?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on November 27, 2015, 11:49:53 AM


It does make me smile the criticism he gets for drinking and having fun. 15 years ago it would of been the norm for a young football player to have a beer. Even when Robo was our manager it was encouraged and that's not even 10 years ago.

Not impressed with his attitude the last few games seems to have let his form and fitness go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 27, 2015, 11:58:46 AM

It does make me smile the criticism he gets for drinking and having fun. 15 years ago it would of been the norm for a young football player to have a beer. Even when Robo was our manager it was encouraged and that's not even 10 years ago.

Not impressed with his attitude the last few games seems to have let his form and fitness go.

Thursday night up Walsall would be like an Albion bonding session. Albrechtson, Davie and Quashie were regulars always followed by some youth players and other first teamers.

You would then see them all in number 1 pizza at about 2am.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 27, 2015, 12:00:22 PM
where they on the gas too and loosing their driving license
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on November 27, 2015, 01:55:38 PM
I don't think anyone has a problem with Berahino having a drink......I watched him a couple of years ago under Clarke in a pre-season vs Walsall and he looked the business, like a young Ian Wright ( I honestly thought that then). Since then, he's progressed but he's had recurring problems;

1) inhaling nitrus oxide on camera
2) drink driving (whilst reportedly driving 100mph on the M6)
3) acting very petulantly/ strangely after scoring 4 goals against Gateshead in the cup (remember the non-celebration)
4) Being very clear on a couple of occasions that WBA were simply a stepping stone to a bigger/ better club
5) Rumours (yes, rumours but smoke without fire?) that he thought he was a bit bigger than he is in the England set up
6) Rumours that the other Albion players have had to bring him down a peg or two (Morrison's punch)
7) Handing in transfer requests before making it clear  he didn't want to play for WBA again (or Peace which amounts to the same thing considering Peace is custodian of the club on behalf of the fans who Berahino really serves)
8) He seems overweight and dis-interested this season

In spite of all of the above, he's scored goals, important goals so I continue to think he's a good player who could become very good.

We've all done silly things when we were younger - I did anyway but I did my best to work hard at my job and show the others I worked with respect - even when in a mess after late nights.

Perhaps Berahino's PR consultant isn't as good as other players but all of the above adds up to a player who I can't see working his balls off for the club which game him a chance in the game for the past 12 years and who have made him (until last summer perhaps) one of the most in-demand forwards around - that doesn't happen without a massive team of people to help him do it..........

I genuinely like him as a player and I think he's probably not a bad lad overall but he seriously needs to look at himself, grow up a bit and push on - probably away from WBA and leaving WBA with a healthy sum to reinvest following our 12 years of developing him..............
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on November 27, 2015, 02:04:48 PM

It does make me smile the criticism he gets for drinking and having fun. 15 years ago it would of been the norm for a young football player to have a beer. Even when Robo was our manager it was encouraged and that's not even 10 years ago.

Not impressed with his attitude the last few games seems to have let his form and fitness go.

We used to team many of the 1st teamers up the "Steering Wheel" of a saturday night or in pubs in the surrounding area, Jeff was a regular up the "jingles" & Robo was a "Bird in Hand" man
For Players then it was taken has the normal behavior by them & the club (no mobile phones with cameras ) but not now
I think its his mouth that's got Saido into trouble with the supporters.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on November 27, 2015, 05:01:47 PM
Man Utd loaned James Wilson out, as they have two strikers only, I think they will sign Berahino in January .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on November 27, 2015, 06:08:08 PM
Plenty of saintly characters on here who clearly never made any mistakes when they were in their early 20's.

If every footballer who made themselves look a tit early on their career was bombed out of their clubs, we wouldn't have a game to watch there would be no one left!

Saido owes us nothing, we are an employer to him nothing more. If he wants to progress in his career then good on him, I wish some of our other players had his ambition and that's a point that Pulis has made that I firmly agree with.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 27, 2015, 08:11:00 PM
I don't think anyone has a problem with Berahino having a drink......I watched him a couple of years ago under Clarke in a pre-season vs Walsall and he looked the business, like a young Ian Wright ( I honestly thought that then). Since then, he's progressed but he's had recurring problems;

1) inhaling nitrus oxide on camera
2) drink driving (whilst reportedly driving 100mph on the M6)
3) acting very petulantly/ strangely after scoring 4 goals against Gateshead in the cup (remember the non-celebration)
4) Being very clear on a couple of occasions that WBA were simply a stepping stone to a bigger/ better club
5) Rumours (yes, rumours but smoke without fire?) that he thought he was a bit bigger than he is in the England set up
6) Rumours that the other Albion players have had to bring him down a peg or two (Morrison's punch)
7) Handing in transfer requests before making it clear  he didn't want to play for WBA again (or Peace which amounts to the same thing considering Peace is custodian of the club on behalf of the fans who Berahino really serves)
8) He seems overweight and dis-interested this season

In spite of all of the above, he's scored goals, important goals so I continue to think he's a good player who could become very good.

We've all done silly things when we were younger - I did anyway but I did my best to work hard at my job and show the others I worked with respect - even when in a mess after late nights.

Perhaps Berahino's PR consultant isn't as good as other players but all of the above adds up to a player who I can't see working his balls off for the club which game him a chance in the game for the past 12 years and who have made him (until last summer perhaps) one of the most in-demand forwards around - that doesn't happen without a massive team of people to help him do it..........

I genuinely like him as a player and I think he's probably not a bad lad overall but he seriously needs to look at himself, grow up a bit and push on - probably away from WBA and leaving WBA with a healthy sum to reinvest following our 12 years of developing him..............
But only one of those items listed above is bad?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on November 27, 2015, 09:33:24 PM
Man Utd loaned James Wilson out, as they have two strikers only, I think they will sign Berahino in January .
from what my mate been sayin I think utd are going after lakaku (spelling)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 28, 2015, 03:33:45 PM
The lower leagues are full of players who had the top within reach but let it go due to off the pitch stuff, not all about ability these days, its about the whole package. Biggest problem is they get so much money at an early age and think they've reached the top when all they've done is become a big fish in an average team.

Short career, get your head down for what 15 years ? earn the money then you can act like a spoilt brat for the rest of your life living off your past glories.

Saido is the latest in a long line, not the first and certainly won't be the last of them. He's still a young lad learning his trade and needs to start realising it and earning a place in the side instead of expecting it. His last few performances have been woeful so no surprise he's not been involved.

As for playing out wide, he's done it many times here even before Pulis came and will no doubt do it for his next club when he eventually moves on. Part of football, you do it for the team.

I have no problem with someone wanting to better themselves if its for his career. Problem I have is the way they go about it, pooh on those on your way up, they'll be the ones enjoying your fall from grace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieblood on November 29, 2015, 12:16:18 PM
I read on teletext that houllier (the one who took the vile for about £6m  in compo) said to jamie carragher when he was young "don't go to nightclubs now buy one when you retire."

Berahino should listen to advice like that.

At rate he's going the only use we'll have for him is having a pie contest between him and lambert at half time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on December 01, 2015, 04:11:28 PM
From a poster on another WBA forum who is known to be ITK.


He'll be gone in January IMO.

Letting himself go physically (overweight, again).

Doing all he can behind the scenes to leave.

Time to cash in and replace with someone who gives a damn about the club.

He's been at it again with two major behavioural issues in the past 2 weeks. I can't go into details.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 02, 2015, 12:13:35 PM
I try my best to take as little notice as possible in what so called ITK people say to be honest no matter how good their source is as people have agendas, issues can be blown up or played down depending on what they want to achieve. When it comes to Saido I'll judge him on what I see and its clear to me he's let himself go and its no good to anyone, I'm amazed that he doesn't realise how quickly his career has nosedived and its all his own doing.

I'll be amazed if anyone decent takes a punt on him in January for a price we would find acceptable.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on December 02, 2015, 12:16:01 PM
I try my best to take as little notice as possible in what so called ITK people say to be honest no matter how good their source is as people have agendas, issues can be blown up or played down depending on what they want to achieve. When it comes to Saido I'll judge him on what I see and its clear to me he's let himself go and its no good to anyone, I'm amazed that he doesn't realise how quickly his career has nosedived and its all his own doing.

I'll be amazed if anyone decent takes a punt on him in January for a price we would find acceptable.

Saido seems to be one of those characters who will never see fault in himself and will always have someone to blame.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on December 02, 2015, 12:27:41 PM
Saido seems to be one of those characters who will never see fault in himself and will always have someone to blame.
Maybe when he's a friendless, bankrupt, bloated, alcky lamenting what might have been. Until then, you are right, it will be everyone's fault but his own.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 02, 2015, 12:30:37 PM
I try my best to take as little notice as possible in what so called ITK people say to be honest no matter how good their source is as people have agendas, issues can be blown up or played down depending on what they want to achieve. When it comes to Saido I'll judge him on what I see and its clear to me he's let himself go and its no good to anyone, I'm amazed that he doesn't realise how quickly his career has nosedived and its all his own doing.

I'll be amazed if anyone decent takes a punt on him in January for a price we would find acceptable.

Agreed. IF the rumours that Spurs will offer Townsend plus cash for a deal worth £25M come to fruition I'd bite there hands off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 02, 2015, 01:01:27 PM


It's going to be interesting to see what happens, I think he will be gone for a decent sum.

I saw an interesting stat about him earlier (not checked it out): The only player younger than Berahino to score more than twice in the Premier League last season was Sterling who scored 7 times to Berahino's 14 and also has the best shot to conversion ratio for this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on December 04, 2015, 11:00:10 AM
None of the off field stuff with Berahino is terrible it is just the sheer volume of rubbish that he seems to get himself involved with that adds up to a less than professional attitude.

Fortunately providing a player has some talent football will keep throwing them another chance look at Joey Barton and Ravel Morrison for instance and Berahino is a saint by comparison. Yes he has had a bad few months but a lot of clubs will view that as an opportunity to get a good player at a decent price and turn them around.

January will be interesting but I think a deal will be done with someone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on December 04, 2015, 11:10:58 AM
Has Berahino started his last game for us?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 04, 2015, 12:35:03 PM
You never know... Berahino may behave himself this week just to showcase himself to spuds.
That is why I have chosen him to score for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mooncat on December 04, 2015, 12:49:43 PM
IMHO he won't start tomorrow, think that Rondon and Lambert are ahead of him on form at the moment, and TP can always trot out the 'his head wasn't right' line as justification
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on December 05, 2015, 08:56:30 PM
I think we'll be lucky to see £15m for him, unless there's an element of truth in this

http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/05/has-saido-berahino-just-dropped-a-hint-hes-set-for-manchester-united-transfer-5546911/?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 05, 2015, 09:26:20 PM
I think we'll be lucky to see £15m for him, unless there's an element of truth in this

http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/05/has-saido-berahino-just-dropped-a-hint-hes-set-for-manchester-united-transfer-5546911/?

I think United is his likeliest destination, and he is a known United fan

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Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on December 06, 2015, 12:05:19 AM
Well United / Chelsea and Spurs need more goals in their side.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 06, 2015, 12:55:58 AM
Looked raring to go in his bloody snood today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 06, 2015, 07:24:48 AM
He didn't appear to be amongst the subs warming up at half time to me?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on December 06, 2015, 11:45:54 AM
He didn't appear to be amongst the subs warming up at half time to me?
He probably had to pop across the road for a not-so-happy meal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 06, 2015, 12:05:12 PM
Regardless of his ability, he doesn't deserve to be in the starting 11 on merit.

We have shown we can get results without him.



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on December 06, 2015, 08:20:49 PM
He probably had to pop across the road for a not-so-happy meal.

Didn't v arsenal either tbf
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 06, 2015, 08:35:38 PM
Didn't v arsenal either tbf

Couldn't be bothered obviously. Any team that buys him is taking an incredible risk.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on December 07, 2015, 10:01:30 AM
Just shows the depth of English strikers that Saido will be in the squad for France if he joins big club and has a good ten minutes for them and if he had a good fifteen minutes he'll probably start. Feel so sorry for Roy if this Muppet gets anywhere near team
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on December 07, 2015, 10:20:05 AM
He won't be going for the same money that we were asking last Summer that's for sure.
If he's planning on seeing his contract out here and moving for free he'll look like a bouncy castle when he does go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 07, 2015, 12:48:19 PM
Just shows the depth of English strikers that Saido will be in the squad for France if he joins big club and has a good ten minutes for them and if he had a good fifteen minutes he'll probably start. Feel so sorry for Roy if this Muppet gets anywhere near team

Roy knows about Saido's problems, probably more than any of us. I would suggest Roy won't pick Saido for England unless the lads attitude improves.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on December 07, 2015, 05:30:14 PM
I think we'll be lucky to see £15m for him, unless there's an element of truth in this

http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/05/has-saido-berahino-just-dropped-a-hint-hes-set-for-manchester-united-transfer-5546911/?

Maybe but the screenshots in this article appear to be from a parody account.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on December 07, 2015, 06:39:54 PM
Plying for the under 21's tonight at West Ham along with Gnabry and Gamboa
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on December 07, 2015, 08:21:01 PM
He won't be going for the same money that we were asking last Summer that's for sure.
If he's planning on seeing his contract out here and moving for free he'll look like a bouncy castle when he does go.

Agreed which is why we should have taken the money even with the staged deal Spuds offered. I think it was pretty obvious how things were going to pan out if he stayed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on December 07, 2015, 10:47:29 PM
Why do some still idolise him? I'm baffled.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on December 07, 2015, 11:27:18 PM
Agreed which is why we should have taken the money even with the staged deal Spuds offered. I think it was pretty obvious how things were going to pan out if he stayed.


That staged deal was laughable from a wealthy premier league club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on December 08, 2015, 12:22:01 AM
Why do some still idolise him? I'm baffled.
I am with you on that one!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on December 08, 2015, 12:35:44 AM
what do you reckon his transfer value is now?, what with his lacklustre form so far this season, not playing (even as a sub) and his contract rolling down.

somewhere in the 10-15 mio range from someone who is desperate AND who thinks they can sprinkle magic dust over him to get him back to scoring form.

There is NO WAY a top 6 club is going to be interested in him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 08, 2015, 12:48:28 AM
We won't sell for less than £25 million.

January is when clubs are desperate and they saw how little we needed to sell him by our stance on deadline day.

I've got no doubt Pulis wants to sell but Peace will not consider a lower bid than he turned down 3 months ago.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on December 08, 2015, 06:12:05 AM
We won't sell for less than £25 million.

January is when clubs are desperate and they saw how little we needed to sell him by our stance on deadline day.

I've got no doubt Pulis wants to sell but Peace will not consider a lower bid than he turned down 3 months ago.

I think he'd rather do that than loose him for nothing next year
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on December 08, 2015, 06:14:28 AM

That staged deal was laughable from a wealthy premier league club

It's they who will be laughing. They won't be paying anywhere near the origional asking price IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on December 08, 2015, 07:03:25 AM
Due to his age he can't leave on a free even when his contract expires, it will be a similar scenario as Danny Ings where Burnley will get a hefty 'development' fee despite him leaving on a free.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 08, 2015, 09:01:56 AM
Due to his age he can't leave on a free even when his contract expires, it will be a similar scenario as Danny Ings where Burnley will get a hefty 'development' fee despite him leaving on a free.

Absolutely correct. If reports are to be believed, Spurs offered us around £20 million (even if it was all heavy add on's) so we can prove his market value and he scored 14 premier league goals last year so he can also be compared to those at that age with a similar goal scoring record.

Media reports are suggesting Danny Inngs will go for around £10 million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 08, 2015, 09:21:25 AM
Why do some still idolise him? I'm baffled.

I see a young man who is trying his best to overcome his personal troubles and has made mistakes along the way. From his own twitter account after the spurs game:

Great team spirit from the lads today, best display of football at home this season so far. #OnToTheNextOne #boingboing #Godwin

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on December 08, 2015, 09:24:10 AM
Absolutely correct. If reports are to be believed, Spurs offered us around £20 million (even if it was all heavy add on's) so we can prove his market value and he scored 14 premier league goals last year so he can also be compared to those at that age with a similar goal scoring record.

Media reports are suggesting Danny Inngs will go for around £10 million.


The only problem is if he continues not to feature much for the next 18 months the tribunal will look at him as a mid table squad player rather a regular starter who is scoring goals for fun and you can forget £10m. It really is not in our best interests to let this drag on unless he is in the team and playing well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on December 08, 2015, 09:35:01 AM
I see a young man who is trying his best to overcome his personal troubles and has made mistakes along the way. From his own twitter account after the spurs game:

Great team spirit from the lads today, best display of football at home this season so far. #OnToTheNextOne #boingboing #Godwin

He also came out gushing about how he was grateful to be allowed to play in the Under 21s last night...

Call me cynical, but could it be he is trying to improve his public image to help seal a move away in January? He has rarely come out with such tweets before!

I'm afraid I have no confidence in him to be sincere or genuine - maybe he will change, and for his own sake I hope he does, but from his past antics, I can't believe that he has all of a sudden turned over a new leaf!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on December 08, 2015, 09:43:36 AM
He also came out gushing about how he was grateful to be allowed to play in the Under 21s last night...

Call me cynical, but could it be he is trying to improve his public image to help seal a move away in January? He has rarely come out with such tweets before!

I'm afraid I have no confidence in him to be sincere or genuine - maybe he will change, and for his own sake I hope he does, but from his past antics, I can't believe that he has all of a sudden turned over a new leaf!

In all seriousness that's exactly what he needs to do genuine or not he needs to show that he has a learning side to him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on December 08, 2015, 09:51:10 AM
In all seriousness that's exactly what he needs to do genuine or not he needs to show that he has a learning side to him.

That is true, and if the penny has finally dropped for him, fair play...but it would take a lot more than a few tweets for me to change my opinion of him!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on December 08, 2015, 09:59:43 AM
He scored for the under 21's in a 2-1 defeat.
Happy to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope that these tweets are a genuine attempt to re-build bridges. I'm far to long in the tooth not to err on the side of caution though. If he is still here in February, and happy to be so, then that will be the true test.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 08, 2015, 10:04:16 AM
His couldn't care less attitude, shown by his lack of effort when he has played, his weight gain, his non appearance when the subs warm up at half time etc, is I think because he believes that he is just treading water until a big club comes and rescues him in January. He seems to believe the talk of Chelsea, Man Utd etc nonsense in the papers. However, it seems clear to me that this ain't going to happen, either because the bids don't meet our valuation or because other clubs will be put off by his attitude. Then what happens? Personally, I don't give a monkeys if he wants to earn £15k a week for the next 18 months and then signs for some Championship club on a free, which is what I can see happening unless Saido changes his ways very quickly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on December 08, 2015, 10:09:43 AM
He also came out gushing about how he was grateful to be allowed to play in the Under 21s last night...

Call me cynical, but could it be he is trying to improve his public image to help seal a move away in January? He has rarely come out with such tweets before!

I'm afraid I have no confidence in him to be sincere or genuine - maybe he will change, and for his own sake I hope he does, but from his past antics, I can't believe that he has all of a sudden turned over a new leaf!

Your Cynical.  ;D

So am I.
I think its better that we ship him out, re-invest the money and move on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 08, 2015, 10:12:32 AM
Call me cynical, but could it be he is trying to improve his public image to help seal a move away in January? He has rarely come out with such tweets before!

Not cynical at all, let his football do the talking anything else is just words. He got his head down and scored in an U21 game that's a start. I would go as far to suggest Berahino should look to McLean who has also been controversial but has let his football do the talking and the fans are warming to him. Especially now we can see his fiery nature on the pitch not just off it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on December 08, 2015, 11:03:19 AM
If is a very long two lettered word.

If he switches on.
If he gets his head down.
If he can be arsed.
If he tries.
If he scores.
If he signs a new deal.
If he retains his value.
If he is sold.

If is often the prefix for three other words…… if - only he had.
If only he had switched on…………
If only he had got his head down………. etc.

I am still a huge fan of this lad’s current talent and believe in his future potential.
Sadly I can see it all ending in tears for both him and us.
Such a pity.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on December 08, 2015, 11:07:23 AM
If is a very long two lettered word.

If he switches on.
If he gets his head down.
If he can be arsed.
If he tries.
If he scores.
If he signs a new deal.
If he retains his value.
If he is sold.

If is often the prefix for three other words…… if - only he had.
If only he had switched on…………
If only he had got his head down………. etc.

I am still a huge fan of this lad’s current talent and believe in his future potential.
Sadly I can see it all ending in tears for both him and us.
Such a pity.


I have wondered whether he might move sideways to a lower league premiership club, he's a good player if you can get him on side.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on December 08, 2015, 11:43:39 AM
I have 2 theories as to why he is not being played
1.A deal is done with someone
2.We don't want to play him as other suitors may realize that he is not as good as he thinks he is
Either way he needs to be gone in January
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 08, 2015, 11:51:57 AM
I have 2 theories as to why he is not being played
1.A deal is done with someone
2.We don't want to play him as other suitors may realize that he is not as good as he thinks he is
Either way he needs to be gone in January

or maybe it's because he's done nothing to justify selection.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on December 08, 2015, 11:55:08 AM
Saido Berahino ‏@SBerahino  15 hours ago
Was great for me to be allowed to play u21s and get 90minutes under my belt tonight, sad there unbeaten run has ended though!!

Looked like that he was happy to play.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hunsletbaggie on December 08, 2015, 12:23:46 PM
We won't sell for less than £25 million.

January is when clubs are desperate and they saw how little we needed to sell him by our stance on deadline day.

I've got no doubt Pulis wants to sell but Peace will not consider a lower bid than he turned down 3 months ago.
Wouldn't count on it we have seen what a pigs ear Peace made of the Wingie transfer QPR offered 3 million turned it down 6 months later we accept 2.5 million from Cardiff and how many appearances did he make in that 6 months 2 was it plus his wages we were paying.Peace is stubborn and not as clever as some make out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on December 08, 2015, 12:24:37 PM
Saido Berahino ‏@SBerahino  15 hours ago
Was great for me to be allowed to play u21s and get 90minutes under my belt tonight, sad there unbeaten run has ended though!!

Looked like that he was happy to play.

If he isn't matchfit, its not going to help his chances of a move in January. I'm afraid I can't see past ulterior motives for him tweeting!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 08, 2015, 12:25:27 PM
Peace has an asset worth @£100m, he's a damn sight cleverer than I am !!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on December 08, 2015, 12:30:18 PM
No offence to Saido but I don't think he is as clever (read shrewd) as some of you are making out. We all know he tweets whatever's popped into his head, why would these tweets now be any different.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 08, 2015, 12:39:01 PM
No offence to Saido but I don't think he is as clever (read shrewd) as some of you are making out. We all know he tweets whatever's popped into his head, why would these tweets now be any different.
Agent maybe, so that he can start to rebuild his image a bit and fool other clubs into thinking that he is a good lad with a good attitude, rather than the fat petulant knob that he really is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on December 08, 2015, 12:46:14 PM
If he was so pleased to play for the under 21's why does he sit on the bench for the first team with a petulant sulking face for 90 minutes. Just sacrasm from a right petulant pratt who I hope never plays for our club again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 08, 2015, 12:50:29 PM
i also read that as sarcasm !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 08, 2015, 01:36:46 PM
I have 2 theories as to why he is not being played
1.A deal is done with someone
2.We don't want to play him as other suitors may realize that he is not as good as he thinks he is
Either way he needs to be gone in January
Or TP set the precedent last time around and not playing/selecting him 'because his head wasn't right' due to the transfer speculation and there is already just as much speculation going around before the window even opens
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 08, 2015, 02:16:19 PM
Trouble is he believes what is written in the press - ie that Chelsea and Man Utd are going to be battling it out for his signature in January. He will be in for a bit of a shock when it doesn't happen. I dread to think where his head will be then. No doubt some other petulant reaction.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on December 08, 2015, 02:44:28 PM
Another 18 months of this and he will be playing in the Championship it wasn't very long ago that Tom Ince was being hailed as the next big thing and that is where he is now. Something has to give and I think the January window will hopefully see the end of the saga either an offer will come in and he moves on or nothing is forthcoming and he buckles down to earn his ticket out of here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on December 08, 2015, 02:49:38 PM
Another 18 months of this and he will be playing in the Championship it wasn't very long ago that Tom Ince was being hailed as the next big thing and that is where he is now. Something has to give and I think the January window will hopefully see the end of the saga either an offer will come in and he moves on or nothing is forthcoming and he buckles down to earn his ticket out of here.

This has been suggested for a couple of years now and he doesn't seem to be doing it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 08, 2015, 02:50:41 PM
If I were to go through the previous pages of this thread I would find several very very negative posts about this bloke and i am still yet to clap him/cheer his name since the deadline day fiasco.

Within those pages I would also find a number of posts from others who praised him and backed him; I would like to know where we stand on him now?

I am bored of him. I am sick of him. We do not need him, not half as much as thinks anyway. Yes has given us 6 points this season but his overall contribution hasn't been great.

Please JP, sell this overrated little boy and move on. I would glady move for a Andre Gray/Callum Wilson type of player over him.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/480134/Saido-Berahino-West-Brom-Tottenham-Hotspur-Premier-League-Tony-Pulis-Benched
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 08, 2015, 03:21:19 PM
Wouldn't count on it we have seen what a pigs ear Peace made of the Wingie transfer QPR offered 3 million turned it down 6 months later we accept 2.5 million from Cardiff and how many appearances did he make in that 6 months 2 was it plus his wages we were paying.Peace is stubborn and not as clever as some make out.

Mis-management from Clarke and the response of the fans gave JP little choice with Odemwingie.

Seen a few posts this afternoon saying "he does this", "he thinks that", none of us know what the lad is thinking, it's just our perception of him.

On his day he's arguably our best player, the crime will be if he leaves the club in the same manner as St Pete.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on December 08, 2015, 04:20:59 PM
Mis-management from Clarke and the response of the fans gave JP little choice with Odemwingie.

Seen a few posts this afternoon saying "he does this", "he thinks that", none of us know what the lad is thinking, it's just our perception of him.

On his day he's arguably our best player, the crime will be if he leaves the club in the same manner as St Pete.

Agree with the bold print entirely and I would still love for him to fulfill his potential in an Albion shirt (If of course he has not already done so.......)

It would be good if he could do this by acting in a manner which alters people's perspectives too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 08, 2015, 04:29:29 PM
Agree with the bold print entirely and I would still love for him to fulfill his potential in an Albion shirt (If of course he has not already done so.......)

It would be good if he could do this by acting in a manner which alters people's perspectives too.

Oh ye who still have hope !! It ain't going to happen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on December 08, 2015, 04:32:08 PM
Oh ye who still have hope !! It ain't going to happen.

I still believe in the Tooth Fairy too.

Mind you, she does owe me quite a bit of money.....  :) ;).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 08, 2015, 04:46:56 PM
I still believe in the Tooth Fairy too.

Mind you, she does owe me quite a bit of money.....  :) ;).

Tooth fairy is ok, nothing wrong with that. I'm a believer myself. But Saido fulfilling his potential with us and behaving in an appropriate manner is a fantasy too far
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on December 09, 2015, 03:57:49 AM
Sell for anything above 15m if anyones stupid enough to pay it

and actually pay enough up front to make it worthwhile...


...not the 1 million up front and then possible performance and appearance payments to make it up to 15m or some figure they pull out of the air to make it sound like they are paying a lot.....

and we have to just hope they play him for us to get anything
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 09, 2015, 05:24:51 AM
Who are these so-called Albion supporting T**ts  who keep feeding legend-backside on Twitter ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on December 09, 2015, 09:51:31 AM
Who are these so-called Albion supporting T**ts  who keep feeding legend-backside on Twitter ?
According to the telegraph Berahino has liked a series of tweets criticising his club, utter bell end who will never learn the sooner he is gone the better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on December 09, 2015, 10:44:30 AM
Get rid as soon as the window is open Mr Peace but make sure you don't hamstring your manager by not replacing this twonk
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 09, 2015, 12:15:53 PM
Maybe his tweets about playing for U21's weren't sarcastic after all. Shan has called him "enthusiastic" when he didn't have to say anything at all about him.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-u21s-boss-james-10567935


Still hope we can get decent money for him in January.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on December 09, 2015, 07:23:53 PM
Get rid as soon as the window is open Mr Peace but make sure you don't hamstring your manager by not replacing this twonk

At the moment it is debatable as to how much we would miss him his form has slipped that badly. It might be better to promote Adil Nabi to the bench and bank the money for the summer rather than try to scramble round the January window to find a suitable replacement 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on December 09, 2015, 08:48:23 PM
Quote
At the moment it is debatable as to how much we would miss him his form has slipped that badly. It might be better to promote Adil Nabi to the bench and bank the money for the summer rather than try to scramble round the January window to find a suitable replacement 

Problem with that is that we will lose 30% of the money in Corporation Tax.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 09, 2015, 10:11:23 PM
Problem with that is that we will lose 30% of the money in Corporation Tax.

Doubt it - Corporation Tax rate is only 20%!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on December 10, 2015, 12:14:14 AM
I think in hindsight, Pulis has played a blinder with Berahino.
He was our star asset. Is he any more? Personally I think Evans is. We've proven this season, unlike the past two years that we are not dependent on Berahino, and we can win without him and score goals.
Pulis massaged his ego, got him playing again on Pulis' terms, when and how he wanted, and now the 'player power' has shifted from Berahino who has had a poor season, all the while it hasn't really harmed us.

We're now in a position where he doesn't know if he's wanted at Spurs etc, so he can't misbehave as much. And to get his big move, he has to perform and put in effort, otherwise he will become a generic Pulis striker who has a very average career and doesn't play for England.

I assume our agenda hasn't changed, if a firm offer comes in, he will go - otherwise he stays and has to earn his praise as he's lost a lot of quality this year.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on December 10, 2015, 12:17:51 AM
Personally I don't think he was being sarcastic. It doesn't matter anyway, Pulis/Peace are in charge and have handled the situation well. He needs to start playing/scoring again for his own selfish stake as the team has proven to move on without him, all the while he becomes less attractive to other clubs. The power has definitely shifted to us from the summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 10, 2015, 08:03:45 AM
Been consistently in the papers this week for liking tweets parodying his situation at the club and also tweets suggesting he's moving in January, soon as we can get rid of this overrated brat and get some decent players in his place the better for West Bromwich Albion

Mark my words, if this attitude and stories are genuine he'll never amount to anything, if the full support and empathy of TP and the chance of being in the Euros squad still isn't enough to even tempt him to make an effort then this kids more trouble than he's worth

Sell for anything above 15m if anyones stupid enough to pay it

I fear if his attitude and sulking affect his opportunities in the future the clueless media will portray us as the bad guys for snatching his big move away and the blame will lie with us in their eyes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on December 10, 2015, 10:53:43 AM
I presume that "not talking to Spurs" does not mean ignoring an electronic communication with a proper offer?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on December 10, 2015, 11:58:08 AM
Seems like newspapers inventing a half story ? Would JP or Garlick really say in advance that we are not prepared to talk to Spurs ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 10, 2015, 12:30:54 PM
I think in hindsight, Pulis has played a blinder with Berahino.

Although I’m not going to criticise Pulis on this matter, I must say I fail to see how anyone has played ‘a blinder’ in regards to the current Berahino situation.  The simple fact is that we have one of our most talented players out of shape, under performing and disinterested, his value has plummeted and there are already worrying indications that he is about kick up another almighty s*** storm come January if/when things don’t go his way.  There's nothing blinding about this tale; just a pathetic waste of talent, time, energy and resource...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on December 10, 2015, 12:50:17 PM
Although I’m not going to criticise Pulis on this matter, I must say I fail to see how anyone has played ‘a blinder’ in regards to the current Berahino situation.  The simple fact is that we have one of our most talented players out of shape, under performing and disinterested, his value has plummeted and there are already worrying indications that he is about kick up another almighty s*** storm come January if/when things don’t go his way.  There's nothing blinding about this tale; just a pathetic waste of talent, time, energy and resource...
All down to one person, the player himself .
For me Pulis did brilliant for him by opening the door for him to return to the fold and supporting him in the press 100% , the fact that he's lost interest means Pulis had no choice but to bench him and look elsewhere. At the minute there isn't one player i'd drop for Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on December 10, 2015, 12:52:57 PM
I would rather we made a stand against clubs cherry picking players that they want and trying to get them on the cheap or with derisory offers.

I would sooner after Berahino's outburst with him not getting his move that he did become a wasted talent, perhaps it will set a precedent for other players in future that you cant do this as all you will affect is your own career.

Yes we have invested money in his upbringing but it hasnt cost us any transfer fee so for me it wouldnt bother me if he became a nobody in football.

He should have acted professionally and with a level of maturity, he may well have got his move, still been playing and scoring...instead he is benched and playing in the stiffs and wasting his career through petulance.

Stand by the club in this situation all day long
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on December 10, 2015, 01:09:09 PM
Although I’m not going to criticise Pulis on this matter, I must say I fail to see how anyone has played ‘a blinder’ in regards to the current Berahino situation.  The simple fact is that we have one of our most talented players out of shape, under performing and disinterested, his value has plummeted and there are already worrying indications that he is about kick up another almighty s*** storm come January if/when things don’t go his way.  There's nothing blinding about this tale; just a pathetic waste of talent, time, energy and resource...

One person to blame for this...Berahino!!! If he can't be professional and act in a proper manner, then he is wasting his own talent!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 10, 2015, 02:54:00 PM
One person to blame for this...Berahino!!! If he can't be professional and act in a proper manner, then he is wasting his own talent!

Agree with you 100%. 

Some of the stuff I've heard today about his attitude inside the training ground leads me to believe he will definitely be gone in January, foul attitude.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on December 10, 2015, 03:27:02 PM
Berahino seems to be prepared to sacrifice his career to spite JP.  Having an inflated opinion of himself I think he thinks he is capable of picking up his form  immediately he has a change of shirt. This will not happen and if does move in January I cant seem him have a successful time wherever he plonks his inflated backside. In years to come he will surely look on this last 6 months and think what a pratt he has been.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on December 10, 2015, 04:29:04 PM
Good finisher , not nearly as good a player as he or others like to make out though imo.
Passing , movement and awareness still lacking at times .
Sad to say but i believe this current side is moving towards better things under  TP and Saido is falling away from it , its not hard to imagine him falling down the league's in years to come either.
I was one of the first on here to say we finally have a kid good enough and was proud to see him come from his loan spells to scoring for us and the Under 21's but this attitude issue has never seemed far away even in the early days.
Personally had enough of these incidents and if you can't play for TP when he supports you after everything then what hope is there?
If the offers right and in plenty of time I'd sell , hopefully not to Spurs though!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: joeymayo on December 11, 2015, 10:42:57 AM
For the club its obviously a win win situation. We either get what we want in transfer value both in terms of money and availability to spend it when we want (therefore no staged payments) or we sit and let his contract run down.
JP knows the rules - even if he left at the end of his contract we would be due a fee in respect of his development from youth to present day (Burnley have a similar problem with Danny Ings) and this would probably be decided by a tribunal.
I double whether SB is classed as a significant asset within the clubs structure as he has come through the ranks so in the clubs trading figures it can only work out positively.
I respect the clubs stance here (even though the kid is very talented), petulance just shows you up for what you truly are - a spoilt child, other clubs will look on - they may have to wait to even get hold of him and unless someone hits the magic 25m fee he will probably be staying where he is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 11, 2015, 10:54:00 AM
Agree with you 100%. 

Some of the stuff I've heard today about his attitude inside the training ground leads me to believe he will definitely be gone in January, foul attitude.

Pulis is the Express and Star today praising his attitude and revealing Berahino asked to play for the under 21's, not exactly a foul attitude.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on December 11, 2015, 11:40:40 AM
Pulis is the Express and Star today praising his attitude and revealing Berahino asked to play for the under 21's, not exactly a foul attitude.

What do you expect him to say, the lads a plank?
We don't want to be putting off any potential suitors.
Whichever way you dress it up Berahinos shennanigans on twitter says more about him than turning out for the U21 does.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 11, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
What do you expect him to say, the lads a plank?
We don't want to be putting off any potential suitors.
Whichever way you dress it up Berahinos shennanigans on twitter says more about him than turning out for the U21 does.

He could of chose to say nothing. It also explains why Berahino tweeted that he was allowed to play for the U21 which out of context appeared sarcastic was nothing of the sort as he asked to play.

Why does liking a few tweets say more then what he does on the pitch?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on December 11, 2015, 12:44:35 PM
He could of chose to say nothing. It also explains why Berahino tweeted that he was allowed to play for the U21 which out of context appeared sarcastic was nothing of the sort as he asked to play.

Why does liking a few tweets say more then what he does on the pitch?

At the moment he isn't even getting on the pitch
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 11, 2015, 01:00:20 PM
At the moment he isn't even getting on the pitch

His form had been poor prior to being dropped so I agree he has been deservedly dropped for footballing reasons not what he tweets about.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on December 11, 2015, 01:38:13 PM
What do you expect him to say, the lads a plank?
We don't want to be putting off any potential suitors.
Whichever way you dress it up Berahinos shennanigans on twitter says more about him than turning out for the U21 does.


Kind of agree yes it's like TP on Chester saying there's no issue with what he said but behind closed doors I would be almost certain that he let rip.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie953 on December 11, 2015, 03:45:33 PM
Just read the following from 'Arry'  ;D
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/12/11/harry-redknapp-tells-saido-to-shut-up/

Harry Redknapp tells Saido to 'shut up'

Former Premier League manager Harry Redknapp has told West Brom striker Saido Berahino to ‘shut up and start performing.'

The former Spurs boss criticised the 22-year-old’s actions on Twitter.

Redknapp reckons Berahino’s behaviour on social media will put clubs off signing him and has told him to focus on scoring goals rather than spouting off.

The forward hasn’t started the last four games for Albion and has been an unused substitute for the past two.

This week he went on a tonque-in-cheek spree of ‘liking’ tweets by fans telling him to leave the club and joking he was being kept hostage in chairman Jeremy Peace’s basement.

Redknapp said: “What Saido Berahino should do is shut up and start performing. Liking Twitter posts suggesting he will leave West Brom for Tottenham or Chelsea in January makes him look bad".

“He can’t get in West Brom’s team at the moment".

"If he starts scoring goals, people will take notice of him in the best way, rather than every time he opens his mouth spouting off about what he’s going to do next.”

If ‘liking’ those tweets is the striker’s way of telling other clubs he is disillusioned at the Hawthorns, then Redknapp thinks it won’t work.

He said: “The fact Berahino keeps going on Twitter every five minutes will put clubs off him, if anything".

“Managers will look at it and think ‘Do I really need this hassle all the time? What if he doesn’t like me? How will I control him?"

The former Portsmouth boss, whose last job was at Queens Park Rangers, compared Berahino to one of Villa’s young stars.

He said: “It’s the same for Jack Grealish at Aston Villa. Stop getting sidetracked and start dedicating yourself to playing football

Berahino has been dedicated in recent weeks. He came into training every day of the international break – sometimes on his own – and played for the under-21s on Monday night.

But his actions on social media, which have landed him in hot water before, suggest he is growing increasingly frustrated at being left on the sidelines.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 13, 2015, 08:48:08 PM
Saido who?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on December 13, 2015, 09:00:16 PM
Saido who?

I actually think we'd have more points on the board had he played regularly this season. Rondon couldn't hit a cows backside with a banjo. He runs around a lot so he'll be a cult hero here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 13, 2015, 09:05:20 PM
I actually think we'd have more points on the board had he played regularly this season. Rondon couldn't hit a cows backside with a banjo. He runs around a lot so he'll be a cult hero here.

Rondon doesn't get many chances to convert so has to make the most of them.  I really think he and Berahino would have been a real handful for defences if they had been able to develop a partnership together
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on December 13, 2015, 09:15:12 PM
I actually think we'd have more points on the board had he played regularly this season. Rondon couldn't hit a cows backside with a banjo. He runs around a lot so he'll be a cult hero here.
Not while Saido isn't interested , missed a few sitters himself as well.
Rondon needs to improve his finishing but his overall game suits us much better than Saido's.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on December 13, 2015, 11:28:27 PM
Reckon he's already been sold and so won't play him for risk of injury?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 13, 2015, 11:38:02 PM
Reckon he's already been sold and so won't play him for risk of injury?

I very much doubt we would waste a place on him on the bench if we were determined to protect him by keeping him off the pitch altogether
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on December 13, 2015, 11:41:20 PM
Reckon he's already been sold and so won't play him for risk of injury?

Seriously though, who would buy him right now?
Mentally he just doesn't look up to it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 13, 2015, 11:50:51 PM
Seriously though, who would buy him right now?
Mentally he just doesn't look up to it.

United, Chelsea, Newcastle, Spurs, Villa, Sunderland
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on December 13, 2015, 11:55:32 PM
United, Chelsea, Newcastle, Spurs, Villa, Sunderland
Surely the only teams he'd want to go to out of those are United, Chelsea and Spurs? The other three called all be relegated and are a step backwards.

Regarding the three bigger teams, would they really buy him? He seems too risky with his personality, it's a tough one to call.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 14, 2015, 12:06:33 AM
Surely the only teams he'd want to go to out of those are United, Chelsea and Spurs? The other three called all be relegated and are a step backwards.

Regarding the three bigger teams, would they really buy him? He seems too risky with his personality, it's a tough one to call.

Newcastle look to have turned the corner, but the reality is that if he went to any club which then got relegated he would probably end up being sold anyway.  I agree though that Sunderland and Villa would be unattractive to him although they may help to get the price up.

I think any of the four could take a punt on him. Some of them are used to an Adebayor or a Costa....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on December 15, 2015, 06:18:04 AM
Looks like somebody thinks his value is on the wain already

http://www.gibfootballshow.co.uk/2015/12/west-brom-10-5m-rated-star-set-for-january-exit/?

 :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 15, 2015, 09:18:13 AM
Looks like somebody thinks his value is on the wain already

http://www.gibfootballshow.co.uk/2015/12/west-brom-10-5m-rated-star-set-for-january-exit/?

 :)

Am stiill seeing £20-25 million being bandied around though. Also plenty of paper talk about Chelsea and Man utd making bids, which no douby Saido is reading while he is eating his cream cakes. Dream on, Saido, it ain't going to happen you muppet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 15, 2015, 09:27:07 AM
scored for the U21's again last night as did McManaman.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-u21s-3-swansea-10600451

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on December 15, 2015, 02:40:27 PM
Get rid asap, give him away for free for all I care. Ungrateful sod >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yardley on December 15, 2015, 02:51:13 PM
Swap him for Townsend plus 15 million, get Phillips and Austin
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on December 15, 2015, 02:58:58 PM
Pulis is the Express and Star today praising his attitude and revealing Berahino asked to play for the under 21's, not exactly a foul attitude.
he should be told he's playing for the under 21s even if the spoilt brat doesn't want to, hes getting paid and he needs to get fit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2015, 03:38:37 PM
Fletcher in one of those teammate pen pics has stated Saido is the best trainer at the club.

None of the noises made by anyone suggest he's lazy or has an attitude problem... Possibly positive public spin for the benefit of a sale, but that is extremely cynical of me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 15, 2015, 08:36:08 PM
went to watch the U21's last night.. saido's attitude and work rate was first class.

people are going to dislike him regardless, because he aint in the first team scoring goals.. people want him gone again, makes me laugh - rondon missed a sitter against liverpool when we were 2-1 up which would of sealed it for us, with saidos confidence 99% he would of put it away!

would much rather watch a player who couldnt give a toss what people say and always scoring goals for us than watchin a bloke with a lovely personality not scoring anything.

its a football club, we watch the football... a nice personality dont win us games ffs.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on December 15, 2015, 08:58:43 PM
went to watch the U21's last night.. saido's attitude and work rate was first class.

people are going to dislike him regardless, because he aint in the first team scoring goals.. people want him gone again, makes me laugh - rondon missed a sitter against liverpool when we were 2-1 up which would of sealed it for us, with saidos confidence 99% he would of put it away!

would much rather watch a player who couldnt give a toss what people say and always scoring goals for us than watchin a bloke with a lovely personality not scoring anything.

its a football club, we watch the football... a nice personality dont win us games ffs.

He was also full of smiles and seemed relaxed when warming up on Sunday - pity he wasn't on for the 'Rondon' chance as I'm sure eh would have buried that as he's still by far the best striker and goal scorer at the Club. If/when we sell then we have to replace those goals somehow. Imagine how many more points we could get with this team if we had a clinical finisher up top ?

Compare that to the 'ghost' that is Big Vic. Never even saw him warming up once during the match!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 15, 2015, 09:06:04 PM
Fletcher in one of those teammate pen pics has stated Saido is the best trainer at the club.

None of the noises made by anyone suggest he's lazy or has an attitude problem... Possibly positive public spin for the benefit of a sale, but that is extremely cynical of me.
Correct
Some just like to assume there is an attitude.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 15, 2015, 09:15:36 PM
He was also full of smiles and seemed relaxed when warming up on Sunday - pity he wasn't on for the 'Rondon' chance as I'm sure eh would have buried that as he's still by far the best striker and goal scorer at the Club. If/when we sell then we have to replace those goals somehow. Imagine how many more points we could get with this team if we had a clinical finisher up top ?

Compare that to the 'ghost' that is Big Vic. Never even saw him warming up once during the match!

exactly my thoughts, i dont have an issue with keeping or selling him.. my worry is what pulis does with the money if we do sell him. he has so much faith in the likes of rondon that i cant see him going for another striker.. comes to something when we break our record signing to buy a striker and its our defenders who score our goals in our last game  :-[
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2015, 09:37:42 PM
It doesn't matter who scores the goals, there was a stat floating round saying we'd have stayed up with the results we would have garnered last season if you took away all Berahino's goals.

I haven't got a problem with his off the pitch behaviour in the slightest but he's not a lone striker in any sense of the word and Rondon is.

I'd like us to try 2 up front against Bournemouth and Newcastle and it's safe to say I want Saido to be partnering Rondon. Lambert despite having an impact against West Ham isn't good enough especially when we have Berahino as the alternative.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 16, 2015, 09:07:14 AM
went to watch the U21's last night.. saido's attitude and work rate was first class.

people are going to dislike him regardless, because he aint in the first team scoring goals.. people want him gone again, makes me laugh - rondon missed a sitter against liverpool when we were 2-1 up which would of sealed it for us, with saidos confidence 99% he would of put it away!

would much rather watch a player who couldnt give a toss what people say and always scoring goals for us than watchin a bloke with a lovely personality not scoring anything.

its a football club, we watch the football... a nice personality dont win us games ffs.

The Berahino of last season may well have put it away but I can't see the Berahino of this season doing it. He's on the bench for a reason..he's been poor both in workrate and missing sitters. Rather have a player that works for the team and misses than one who does nothing for the team and misses.
 Prefer them both to be scoring obviously though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on December 16, 2015, 09:20:54 AM
My theory is for what its worth is that Saido is happy and smiling because the deal is done and he knows he is on his way. We are not playing him because if he gets crocked the deal goes west....

I have no evidence to support this but I cannot work out why we are not fielding such a talent like his, even as a sub.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 16, 2015, 05:22:47 PM
My theory is for what its worth is that Saido is happy and smiling because the deal is done and he knows he is on his way. We are not playing him because if he gets crocked the deal goes west....

I have no evidence to support this but I cannot work out why we are not fielding such a talent like his, even as a sub.

The trouble with this theory is that, if right, why would we play him in the under 21's? There is just as much chance of him getting injured, possibly more when you consider the risk of some uppity youngster wanting to make a name for himself by taking out a "big name*









Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on December 16, 2015, 06:41:17 PM
The trouble with this theory is that, if right, why would we play him in the under 21's? There is just as much chance of him getting injured, possibly more when you consider the risk of some uppity youngster wanting to make a name for himself by taking out a "big name*
I agree.

Although he's a talent, he's also mentally weak as a footballer - as seen by his attitude and this can affect his physical ability (the misses, the weight gain of previous years etc). It's unfair to compare Berahino when he's fully contempt to when he's miserable, the two are very different players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 16, 2015, 07:22:01 PM
I agree.

Although he's a talent, he's also mentally weak as a footballer - as seen by his attitude and this can affect his physical ability (the misses, the weight gain of previous years etc). It's unfair to compare Berahino when he's fully contempt to when he's miserable, the two are very different players.

Haha, assume you meant "content", but nice Freudian slip. He does seem to be either contemptuous or miserable these days
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 16, 2015, 09:10:16 PM
The trouble with this theory is that, if right, why would we play him in the under 21's? There is just as much chance of him getting injured, possibly more when you consider the risk of some uppity youngster wanting to make a name for himself by taking out a "big name*

The thing is that if he is on his way then he needs to be match fit and ready for whoever buys him.  I think it's a done deal and that he's needing to do the bare minimum to be ready to play in early January
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on December 17, 2015, 07:58:55 AM
The trouble with this theory is that, if right, why would we play him in the under 21's? There is just as much chance of him getting injured, possibly more when you consider the risk of some uppity youngster wanting to make a name for himself by taking out a "big name*

As someone else has said, he still needs to be match fit.......... if it is a done deal then its a risk playing him full stop, but he needs to be fit. However, you are right, some uppity youngster could take him out. However, I still cannot think of any other reason as to why he is not featuring in the first team, can you?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 17, 2015, 08:06:21 AM
As someone else has said, he still needs to be match fit.......... if it is a done deal then its a risk playing him full stop, but he needs to be fit. However, you are right, some uppity youngster could take him out. However, I still cannot think of any other reason as to why he is not featuring in the first team, can you?

he's been poor when he has featured.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on December 17, 2015, 08:47:53 AM
He doesn't work as a lone frontman. When he's come on as part of a two striker attack, he's looked poor , off the pace and overweight (again) - enough said. I hope a deal is done so it can be concluded quickly to enable us to replace him with a player who will add something this season because I don't think he will............other than problems perhaps?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 17, 2015, 10:04:41 AM
he's been poor when he has featured.
Yep, that's the reason. No need to look any deeper imo
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on December 17, 2015, 11:11:58 AM
Yep, that's the reason. No need to look any deeper imo

Scored the only goal against Villa and was man of the match according to the BBC, and also netted against Sunderland in Big Sam's first game, so not easy.... technically responsible for 6 of the 20 points we have this season. Is scoring in the under 21's and doing well. Has been asked to play out of position in the first team on a number of occasions....... poor? Really?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 17, 2015, 11:20:35 AM
Scored the only goal against Villa and was man of the match according to the BBC, and also netted against Sunderland in Big Sam's first game, so not easy.... technically responsible for 6 of the 20 points we have this season. Is scoring in the under 21's and doing well. Has been asked to play out of position in the first team on a number of occasions....... poor? Really?

yes really. Villa was Sept 19th Sunderland was 17th October...2 months ago.done bugger all in the odd sub appearance since then. looks bored and uninterested.
Glad he's been scoring for U21's maybe he could/should try applying himself to first 11 matters now then.
All this "asked to play out of position" stuff is nonsense he plays/played wide right for England U21s and was close to breaking the goal scoring record....so hardly alien territory for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 17, 2015, 11:24:59 AM
Scored the only goal against Villa and was man of the match according to the BBC, and also netted against Sunderland in Big Sam's first game, so not easy.... technically responsible for 6 of the 20 points we have this season. Is scoring in the under 21's and doing well. Has been asked to play out of position in the first team on a number of occasions....... poor? Really?

Don't buy the out of position claim, he's played out wide through most of his career just as often as he's played as an outright striker possibly more. When he goes he will no doubt play there again for his next club, bit like the claims about Odemwingie who played wide before he came, left and played wide again for others.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on December 17, 2015, 12:53:36 PM
All entitled to our opinion but to just dismiss him as 'poor - end of story' beggars belief......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on December 17, 2015, 01:27:13 PM
Don't buy the out of position claim, he's played out wide through most of his career just as often as he's played as an outright striker possibly more. When he goes he will no doubt play there again for his next club, bit like the claims about Odemwingie who played wide before he came, left and played wide again for others.

Although familiar with wide positions both Odemwingie and Berahino's best postions for us were down the middle. They both scored goals regularly in that position yet both shifted wide for Long and Rondon. I'd be a bit miffed personally.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 17, 2015, 01:38:10 PM
Although familiar with wide positions both Odemwingie and Berahino's best postions for us were down the middle. They both scored goals regularly in that position yet both shifted wide for Long and Rondon. I'd be a bit miffed personally.

I'm sure a few of those that like stats can show us some for where they played during which games and the games where they have scored goals.

Did'nt Odemwingie play wide when he scored his hat-trick at the wolves ?

Bit miffed but perfectly happy to play there after going, no doubt Saido will also
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on December 17, 2015, 03:20:44 PM
Scoring a goal dosn't mean a player has had a good game and played well.

On top of that, the Sunderland goal was a tap into an open goal from about 2 yards out following a goalkeeper error and the Villa goal was sticking out his leg and from a Morrison shot and flukely deflecting it in. Hardly a brilliant case for Berahinos ability there.. Unless if there are Spurs scouts reading this forum, in which case, he's amazing, please please dont pay £25 million for him  ;)

You have to be there to score them though...regardless.

We all know that the lad is talented and has gone a bit wayward this season. Without his contribution for the two goals you mention we would be 4 points worse off and a little more nervous. He is still the best striker we have so it is frustrating not seeing him get a game, and my simple question was why? Not sure I agree with the simple answer of 'poor' but its all about opinions.

No doubt he will be sold in January and no doubt he will come back and haunt us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on December 17, 2015, 03:23:11 PM
You know, I think I need to make a trip to the opticians.

While I realise he hasn't been up to the pace of games during his appearances, he doesn't look particularly over weight to me.
In fact on top of his Albion training sessions he is often pictured doing extra training at the gym.

In my honest opinion his hold up play is better than given credit for.
He is stronger on the ball than he looks but perhaps needed to bulk up a bit to give him more off the mark power in his sprinting.

I think he may be hitting the weights far more than he is hitting the pizza, and may now have over done it a bit.

Reading some of the posts on here you'd think he was a proper blubberwot.
Berahino may be carrying a couple of extra pounds but he is NOT fat.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on December 17, 2015, 04:25:01 PM
Scoring a goal dosn't mean a player has had a good game and played well.

On top of that, the Sunderland goal was a tap into an open goal from about 2 yards out following a goalkeeper error and the Villa goal was sticking out his leg and from a Morrison shot and flukely deflecting it in. Hardly a brilliant case for Berahinos ability there.. Unless if there are Spurs scouts reading this forum, in which case, he's amazing, please please dont pay £25 million for him  ;)

People argue that Brunt deserves selection due to his set piece delivery even when he's not playing well. I'd rather have a goalscoring Berahino in the side than a workhorse like Rondon who's finishing has left a lot to be desired.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 17, 2015, 09:05:01 PM
People argue that Brunt deserves selection due to his set piece delivery even when he's not playing well. I'd rather have a goalscoring Berahino in the side than a workhorse like Rondon who's finishing has left a lot to be desired.

he could scored 100 goals a season and most baggies 'fans' would want him gone cause they dont approve of his attitude... would understand if they pay his wages but they cant seem to realise that the only way he affects the fans is by scoring goals and helping us get points which makes us happy!

stuff his attitude, whilst he's employed by west bromwich albion we need to show him support and hope he gets in the squad and scores a few for us  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 17, 2015, 09:23:03 PM
If he's fat how many of you would be him over 20 yards?
If he has such a bad attitude , how many of you have actually seen it first hand ?
If he is so out of form what do you base that on?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 18, 2015, 10:53:00 AM
All entitled to our opinion but to just dismiss him as 'poor - end of story' beggars belief......

Obviously you don't think we are all entitled to our opinions otherwise why would mine "beggar belief"?

I can't believe anyone who's seen him play this season can think he's been anything other than poor.

If he'd been performing remotely well surely he would be in the starting 11 or getting game time off the bench?

A switched on & focused Berahino is a great thing , sadly we haven't seen that this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on December 18, 2015, 11:57:02 AM
I heard from an ex pro talking at an event a couple of weeks ago and the topic of Berahino came up. The pro in question happens to be fairly close with Pulis and Kemp and had spoken with the latter not too long before.

The suggestion was that despite Pulis putting in a huge effort to get him back on side with everyone, it's still very obvious that he doesn't want to be here. I'd guess myself that his selection (or lack of) is simply because we don't see the point, or have the confidence or trust, in picking a player who has made it clear he would like to leave.

I can't say if it's true but it's hardly a surprise. This isn't some ITK whisper, it was said to room full of people at an event so I can't see why someone would make it up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on December 18, 2015, 12:21:24 PM
I heard from an ex pro talking at an event a couple of weeks ago and the topic of Berahino came up. The pro in question happens to be fairly close with Pulis and Kemp and had spoken with the latter not too long before.

The suggestion was that despite Pulis putting in a huge effort to get him back on side with everyone, it's still very obvious that he doesn't want to be here. I'd guess myself that his selection (or lack of) is simply because we don't see the point, or have the confidence or trust, in picking a player who has made it clear he would like to leave.

I can't say if it's true but it's hardly a surprise. This isn't some ITK whisper, it was said to room full of people at an event so I can't see why someone would make it up.

Who's the Ex Pro? Big Dave by any chance?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 18, 2015, 12:31:57 PM
I heard from an ex pro talking at an event a couple of weeks ago and the topic of Berahino came up. The pro in question happens to be fairly close with Pulis and Kemp and had spoken with the latter not too long before.

The suggestion was that despite Pulis putting in a huge effort to get him back on side with everyone, it's still very obvious that he doesn't want to be here. I'd guess myself that his selection (or lack of) is simply because we don't see the point, or have the confidence or trust, in picking a player who has made it clear he would like to leave.

I can't say if it's true but it's hardly a surprise. This isn't some ITK whisper, it was said to room full of people at an event so I can't see why someone would make it up.

Shouldn't be a problem divulging the source then?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 18, 2015, 12:36:41 PM
I heard from an ex pro talking at an event a couple of weeks ago and the topic of Berahino came up. The pro in question happens to be fairly close with Pulis and Kemp and had spoken with the latter not too long before.

The suggestion was that despite Pulis putting in a huge effort to get him back on side with everyone, it's still very obvious that he doesn't want to be here. I'd guess myself that his selection (or lack of) is simply because we don't see the point, or have the confidence or trust, in picking a player who has made it clear he would like to leave.

I can't say if it's true but it's hardly a surprise. This isn't some ITK whisper, it was said to room full of people at an event so I can't see why someone would make it up.

A lot of guesswork, suggestions and hearsay going on there for something more than an ITK whisper. The only people ITK are Berahino & Pulis.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on December 18, 2015, 12:36:58 PM
he could scored 100 goals a season and most baggies 'fans' would want him gone cause they dont approve of his attitude... would understand if they pay his wages but they cant seem to realise that the only way he affects the fans is by scoring goals and helping us get points which makes us happy!

stuff his attitude, whilst he's employed by west bromwich albion we need to show him support and hope he gets in the squad and scores a few for us  :P
I think it's safe to say that if he scored 100 goals in a season he would be embraced by pretty much all Baggies fans. The fact is, he is not.
Why is fans in inverted commas?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on December 18, 2015, 12:40:09 PM
Strangely enough I bumped into Big Dave on a night out , he was in Slug and Lettuce Birmingham with some of his pals a few weeks back. Such a nice bloke and was willing to discuss the Albion for a good ten minutes, even offered to get a pint in.

He mentioned Berahino and said whilst he is talented he just needed to apply himself more, he noted that he was desperate to get back in the team but thought it was more to get himself in the window.

He also told me Gamboa is one of the most naturally talented players we had, and the nicest bloke you could meet. He seemed really sorry for him and said we would really be losing out letting him go , just a shame that Pulis didnt take to him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on December 18, 2015, 01:24:29 PM
    I do appreciate and understand your point and its hard not to be results orientated in a sport of such fine margins. However Im not sure it is strictly true to attribute Berahinos 2 goals = 4 points better off. Just my opinion but
      • Sunderland game - If Berahino was not on the pitch would there have not have likely been another player picking up the same set piece position to then eventually tap it in from 2 yards?
      • If Berahino was not on the pitch and that position was filled by 'player X' (probably Sess but w.e). Its almost impossible to measure his potential contribution to the game he was not involved in. Maybe Sess scores a hattrick against Sunderland, maybe he gets sent off, gives away a penalty and we get stuffed? Who knows. Maybe Berahino stuffed up some passes that player X would have completed which would have led to a goal? I just think theres so many variables to attribute a victory with an individual player, unless if they have an absolute worldy and carry the team from start to finish.
       

I do understand the Brunt argument but I feel one slight difference is that Brunt regularly and consistently puts in quality set piece deliveries, lots of which do not get rewarded with the finish. If Berahino was constantly hitting impressive shots on target I would be more sympathetic to his situation.[/list][/list]

Brunt's delivery isn't great all of the time and if Berahino hit the target every time then there is no way he'd still be here. The fact that Berahino is a wanted man and none of our other players seem to be speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on December 18, 2015, 02:07:09 PM
Strangely enough I bumped into Big Dave on a night out , he was in Slug and Lettuce Birmingham with some of his pals a few weeks back. Such a nice bloke and was willing to discuss the Albion for a good ten minutes, even offered to get a pint in.

He mentioned Berahino and said whilst he is talented he just needed to apply himself more, he noted that he was desperate to get back in the team but thought it was more to get himself in the window.

He also told me Gamboa is one of the most naturally talented players we had, and the nicest bloke you could meet. He seemed really sorry for him and said we would really be losing out letting him go , just a shame that Pulis didnt take to him.

Ive said this for a while, he has not had a chance here and it will be our loss when he goes on to be a quality player elsewhere

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on December 18, 2015, 02:07:21 PM
Shouldn't be a problem divulging the source then?
I can't remember his name now to be brutally honest, he was a bit before my time. I knew who he was at the time but it hasn't stuck with me, it was more what he said that was interesting. I think he was ex Spurs amongst others, probably late 70s or during the 80s.

Like I said, I can't really say myself if it's true or not. I don't know the guy at all and I am certainly not in a position to have listened in to his conversations with our senior coaching staff, I just thought it was an interesting point to add to the debate. I certainly wouldn't start making assertions that this is absolutely 100% the way things are, just seemed like a view point that was worth noting.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on December 18, 2015, 10:36:06 PM
 ??? Berahino wants to leave I can tell you that and i don't claim to be ITK.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on December 18, 2015, 11:07:42 PM
??? Berahino wants to leave I can tell you that and i don't claim to be ITK.

His actions on & off the pitch surgest nothing but that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 19, 2015, 12:07:03 AM
Seems like Hiddink wants to sign either Vardy or Berahino and I doubt Vardy will be going anywhere in January...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 19, 2015, 12:07:34 AM
Seems like Hiddink wants to sign either Vardy or Berahino and I doubt Vardy will be going anywhere in January...

Here's the link

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/6813174/Guus-Hiddink-urges-Chelsea-bosses-to-buy-him-an-England-striker-like-Jamie-Vardy-in-January.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on December 19, 2015, 03:16:48 AM
Here's the link

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/6813174/Guus-Hiddink-urges-Chelsea-bosses-to-buy-him-an-England-striker-like-Jamie-Vardy-in-January.html

If Hiddink is only going to be there for 6 months I very much doubt that Abramovich will want to hand him 20/25 million to spend on a striker that the next permanent manager that they get in the summer may very well not rate and not play. We have seen it before with Chelsea they sign good level premier league quality strikers and don't play them enough or give them a far chance. Diego Costa has been useless for weeks now it was only the Leicester game which Loic Remy was given a fair chance. If Berahino does leave in January (which I suspect he will) I can see it being to someone more like Tottenham or Manchester United. Another reason which I think this rumour regarding Hiddink seeking a "English striker" is not only is that very unrealistically specific but the article is also coming from the sun newspaper which to be quite frank I wouldn't wipe my backside with because I wouldn't want to put my backside through the drama of having that rubbish next to it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 19, 2015, 07:54:32 AM
If Hiddink is only going to be there for 6 months I very much doubt that Abramovich will want to hand him 20/25 million to spend on a striker that the next permanent manager that they get in the summer may very well not rate and not play. We have seen it before with Chelsea they sign good level premier league quality strikers and don't play them enough or give them a far chance. Diego Costa has been useless for weeks now it was only the Leicester game which Loic Remy was given a fair chance. If Berahino does leave in January (which I suspect he will) I can see it being to someone more like Tottenham or Manchester United. Another reason which I think this rumour regarding Hiddink seeking a "English striker" is not only is that very unrealistically specific but the article is also coming from the sun newspaper which to be quite frank I wouldn't wipe my backside with because I wouldn't want to put my backside through the drama of having that rubbish next to it.

I wouldn't disagree with most of that, but since when have Chelsea been concerned with getting value for money?   Also, do we care at all whether he gets a proper chance at Chelsea if we have been paid what our club deems to be a fair price for him?

Personally I hope that he goes to Man United, (a) because it's not Spurs who behaved appallingly in the summer, (b) because I despise Chelsea and all that they stand for, and (c) because they tend to do their transfer business properly.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pete on December 20, 2015, 04:20:53 PM
We wont get anywhere near the £20 million mark for BERAHINO. Cant get in the Albion side for toffee & £20 million we thought we would get at the end of last year?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 21, 2015, 11:14:01 PM
We wont get anywhere near the £20 million mark for BERAHINO. Cant get in the Albion side for toffee & £20 million we thought we would get at the end of last year?

Spurs about to "re-open talks" with us according to the Telegraph tonight.  Now wait for Chelsea, Man United and Newcastle to bid the price up, possibly Arsenal as well with Welbeck out for another 2 months

I wouldn't be surprised to see us get £25m.  A perfect scenario for JP
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on December 22, 2015, 02:34:50 AM
Spurs about to "re-open talks" with us according to the Telegraph tonight.  Now wait for Chelsea, Man United and Newcastle to bid the price up, possibly Arsenal as well with Welbeck out for another 2 months

I wouldn't be surprised to see us get £25m.  A perfect scenario for JP

This time they will have to actually offer (& pay) some money for him...

instead of the "maybe we pay you, if we actually decide to play him and he scores more goals than the rest of the team combined" offer they made in Summer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 22, 2015, 07:18:01 AM
This time they will have to actually offer (& pay) some money for him...

instead of the "maybe we pay you, if we actually decide to play him and he scores more goals than the rest of the team combined" offer they made in Summer

Exactly.  Levy won't get away with trying that tactic again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 22, 2015, 12:00:57 PM
Spurs about to "re-open talks" with us according to the Telegraph tonight.  Now wait for Chelsea, Man United and Newcastle to bid the price up, possibly Arsenal as well with Welbeck out for another 2 months

I wouldn't be surprised to see us get £25m.  A perfect scenario for JP
I take the opposite view. Really don't think there is any chance of Chelsea, Man Utd, or Arsenal coming in for him, and Newcastle probably won't want to enter a bidding war. The only possibility that I can see is Spuds, and given what happened last time, I wouldn't hold your breath for the mythical £25 million as it isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on December 22, 2015, 12:53:07 PM
I had to smile yesterday it was reported in one paper that Man U were undecided if they wanted Berahino or Vardy!
mmm decisions decisions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 22, 2015, 12:54:06 PM
I take the opposite view. Really don't think there is any chance of Chelsea, Man Utd, or Arsenal coming in for him, and Newcastle probably won't want to enter a bidding war. The only possibility that I can see is Spuds, and given what happened last time, I wouldn't hold your breath for the mythical £25 million as it isn't going to happen.

Only one way to find out I guess!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 22, 2015, 12:56:11 PM
I had to smile yesterday it was reported in one paper that Man U were undecided if they wanted Berahino or Vardy!
mmm decisions decisions.

Well, one would cost £50m but probably isn't even for sale, while the other is £20m to £25m and definitely is for sale!

I really cannot see Vardy leaving Leicester until the summer at the earliest....

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 22, 2015, 02:14:44 PM
Well, one would cost £50m but probably isn't even for sale, while the other is £20m to £25m and definitely is for sale!

I really cannot see Vardy leaving Leicester until the summer at the earliest....

 

One is also about 6 years younger than the other and has the ability to develop further if he sorts himself out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on December 22, 2015, 02:19:37 PM
One is also about 6 years younger than the other and has the ability to develop further if he sorts himself out.
and one has a really bad attitude
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 22, 2015, 02:31:26 PM
The other hasn't exactly been a saint but coming through non league and working your way up through the leagues can have its advantages rather than starting at a big club earning good money straight away.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 22, 2015, 03:14:44 PM
The other hasn't exactly been a saint but coming through non league and working your way up through the leagues can have its advantages rather than starting at a big club earning good money straight away.

I think he appreciates now what he has got, having worked so hard to get there, unlike the other one!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on December 22, 2015, 03:18:18 PM
I think he appreciates now what he has got, having worked so hard to get there, unlike the other one!

I wouldn't say Berahino doesn't appreciate what he has with us, so much as he appreciates that he can get even more elsewhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 22, 2015, 05:00:28 PM
Ones a dirty pub player the other a spoilt brat. I wouldn't spend millions on either. This is all that is bad about the Greed League.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: JDWest_Brom on December 22, 2015, 05:17:04 PM
Berahino, like a lot of young English players enjoy being a football player more than they enjoy playing football. They just want the money and the trappings.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 22, 2015, 05:21:59 PM
Ones a dirty pub player the other a spoilt brat. I wouldn't spend millions on either. This is all that is bad about the Greed League.

A Chrsitmas miracle has just happened  :o

I agree with you  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 23, 2015, 09:41:10 AM
Ones a dirty pub player the other a spoilt brat. I wouldn't spend millions on either. This is all that is bad about the Greed League.

Very difficult to argue with that unfortunately.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on December 23, 2015, 12:56:18 PM
Well, one would cost £50m but probably isn't even for sale, while the other is £20m to £25m and definitely is for sale!

I really cannot see Vardy leaving Leicester until the summer at the earliest....

£50mil for Vardy??? Calm down!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on December 23, 2015, 07:19:03 PM
I heard the name Zak Clough mentioned the other day at Bolton?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 23, 2015, 09:12:43 PM
£50mil for Vardy??? Calm down!!!

If Leicester were to agree to sell him in January, that's what it would take (unless he has a buyout clause that hasn't been disclosed).  They don't need to sell, they won't want to sell, and the unique chance for Leicester to win the PL or qualify for CL will mean that he will take some prising away.

Chelsea and Man City want him, and to them money is no object.  He's English as well which adds a premium.  If he was to move on January it would be for closer to £50m than £40m. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 23, 2015, 09:16:38 PM
Nobody will sign 29 years old Jamie Vardy at even 30 Million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 23, 2015, 10:16:56 PM
Nobody will sign 29 years old Jamie Vardy at even 30 Million.

I think you will be surprised
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 24, 2015, 02:17:37 PM
I know for a fact that Berahino has been wetting off many of the coaching staff and players in recent months, he has the swag and the attitude around the place of someone who has no interest in performing for West Bromwich Albion, not an assumption.  We need to sell in January while he still has some value and while the bigger clubs have a limited number of striking targets available, the pool for them will become bigger in the summer window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on December 24, 2015, 02:28:48 PM
I know for a fact that Berahino has been wetting off many of the coaching staff and players in recent months, he has the swag and the attitude around the place of someone who has no interest in performing for West Bromwich Albion, not an assumption.  We need to sell in January while he still has some value and while the bigger clubs have a limited number of striking targets available, the pool for them will become bigger in the summer window.

I agree but will we replace him? We will have to pay over the odds ourselves for anyone decent in January unless their contracts are running out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on December 24, 2015, 02:32:52 PM
I agree but will we replace him? We will have to pay over the odds ourselves for anyone decent in January unless their contracts are running out.
would gladly blow the lot on phillips and Austin, I rate saido but he's giving us nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 24, 2015, 02:43:03 PM
I agree but will we replace him? We will have to pay over the odds ourselves for anyone decent in January unless their contracts are running out.
Berahino has barely been playing so is it really that vital we replace him with quality right now, why not promote Nabi and then wait for the summer to find a real replacement.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on December 27, 2015, 03:54:05 AM
We have to get rid ASAP, he is dragging the club down. If JP does not strike a deal SB's antics in the summer could be minor compared with this time. i predict he would go on strike, not turn up for training and almost be prepared to ruin his reputation completely to get back at the club, such is his misguided attitude. He could then almost become unsaleable. Sell him quick and listen to the cheers from the dressing room. A bit OTT some may think but its all about opinions and perceptions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 27, 2015, 08:49:07 AM
Don't get me wrong, I still think he is a Cock but having reflected about the last 12 months I have some sympathy for Berahino.

I've never thought he was as talented as he thinks he is but that with some work could go on and become a quality player as he has a natural goalscorers instinct and was arguably the best finisher at the club. This time last year he had been nurtured through the club for years and was first name on the team sheet and fast becoming our greatest asset and was getting called up for England squads. What is he now?

Clearly he doesn't fit Pulisball and whilst we should have been setting ourselves up to play to his (and our) strength we appear to have chosen the dark side and identified our strength as defending and scoring from set pieces; bringing the big men up from the back (the special team in American Football terms) to score our goals. We should have been issuing hands of warnings to clubs (which Peace did?) and not telling him he could leave (which Pulis did?). Teams that do well in the Premier League generally do so because they score goals, Leicester are (were?) top of the table playing to the strengths of a pub player, our best years we played to the strengths of Odemwhingy or Lukaku.

The future for Berahino will only be rosy, as I see it, under two circumstances.  He leaves (at a price much lower than we have probably already turned down for him) or Pulis goes and we start playing to his strengths again. Bye bye Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on December 27, 2015, 09:10:56 AM
There was a point where I could see him being reintegrated into the team but the longer he has been benched the less it has looked like this will happen. I hope we sell him next month he is doing nothing for us.  Pulis will possibly buy a replacement or not it makes no difference either way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on December 27, 2015, 09:37:02 AM
He's had no form for over two months - longer?  I really hope he's off in Jan. Any decent money for him would be good simply because we can reinvest in someone who has more desire to play. Yes he has qualities but he could be one of these strikers who looks promising but fades away badly in his mid-twenties because he's not committed enough?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on December 27, 2015, 10:41:07 AM
Pulis wanted a targetman in the summer to fill the one up front role so on the odd occasion when Berahino has played he's been either out wide or in midfield.

He is a pain up the ar*se but you can't leave your only goalscoring threat out the team and expect to score goals.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on December 27, 2015, 12:56:55 PM
Hindsight is a great thing and all but this blokes attitude sucks. He wants to move to spuds so he can get in England team for Euros but when deal breaks down he throws his dummy out of pram.he's put on weight and his touches yesterday were woeful I'd play vic before this pooh
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on December 28, 2015, 12:44:52 AM
Hindsight is a great thing and all but this blokes attitude sucks. He wants to move to spuds so he can get in England team for Euros but when deal breaks down he throws his dummy out of pram.he's put on weight and his touches yesterday were woeful I'd play vic before this pooh

Honestly think the guy's a looser with talent - ok I've said it. Obviously doesn't look after himself and has and attitude that precedes his talent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 28, 2015, 07:15:26 AM
He's been a fool to himself in the way he acted like a petulant child after the Spurs move didn't happen. He appears to have regressed to the type of behaviour that saw his loan move at Brentford cut short, he really hasn't been advised very well.

I would be surprised if we manage to get a fee anywhere near what we want after his antics in the summer and the fact he can't get in the side anymore let alone score goals to put him in the shop window. I can genuinely see everyone losing out with us being lumbered with him until his contract ends which wouldn't have been a bad thing had he been performing well for us but he is just stagnating now and not developing as he should have been. He should be held up as an example to everyone showing how a difficult upbringing shouldn't hold you back from your dreams but instead he's currently the stand out example to youngsters to show how quickly things can go pear shaped if you act like a dick.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2015, 08:34:40 AM
He's been a fool to himself in the way he acted like a petulant child after the Spurs move didn't happen. He appears to have regressed to the type of behaviour that saw his loan move at Brentford cut short, he really hasn't been advised very well.

I would be surprised if we manage to get a fee anywhere near what we want after his antics in the summer and the fact he can't get in the side anymore let alone score goals to put him in the shop window. I can genuinely see everyone losing out with us being lumbered with him until his contract ends which wouldn't have been a bad thing had he been performing well for us but he is just stagnating now and not developing as he should have been. He should be held up as an example to everyone showing how a difficult upbringing shouldn't hold you back from your dreams but instead he's currently the stand out example to youngsters to show how quickly things can go pear shaped if you act like a dick.
Shafted by the current management and behaving like the spoilt kid that he is.  He is 22 and has spent 12 years of his life in the bubble that is football (following however many years of a life that few on here could comprehend). Fast becoming a future England star to be told by Pulis he can leave and who no longer picks him because he doesn't suit his style of play. (Equally stitched up by Tottenham who thought he could be bought on the cheap with Pulis indicating he was surplus to requirements). Football is hard but should be building a team around him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2015, 09:01:52 AM
Shafted by the current management and behaving like the spoilt kid that he is.  He is 22 and has spent 12 years of his life in the bubble that is football (following however many years of a life that few on here could comprehend). Fast becoming a future England star to be told by Pulis he can leave and who no longer picks him because he doesn't suit his style of play. (Equally stitched up by Tottenham who thought he could be bought on the cheap with Pulis indicating he was surplus to requirements). Football is hard but should be building a team around him.

I'm not sure that he was "shafted by current management". I suspect his behaviour and attitude left them with no choice.  Spurs disgracefully messed his head, trying to force a cheap transfer but it's not them who have to pick up the pieces.  They never had any intention of paying what they knew it would take to buy him.  Is very hard to build a team around a player with a bad attitude who is determined to leave at the next window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2015, 09:19:46 AM
I'm not sure that he was "shafted by current management". I suspect his behaviour and attitude left them with no choice.  Spurs disgracefully messed his head, trying to force a cheap transfer but it's not them who have to pick up the pieces.  They never had any intention of paying what they knew it would take to buy him.  Is very hard to build a team around a player with a bad attitude who is determined to leave at the next window.
Told you can leave and played out of position in a Pulis style of team is pretty much being shafted as a forward in my opinion. I am not in anyway condoning his subsequent actions but chicken and egg spring to mind. Good excuse for Pulis though.  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mo on December 28, 2015, 09:21:27 AM
When all is said and done whatever we think of him he scores goals . I think the problem Pulis has is he simply doesn't know where to fit him into his system . So we sell him can we trust Pulis to sign a player to replace him who scores goals and will fit in system . I wouldn't be surprised to see Peace dig his heels in on this one .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2015, 09:40:59 AM
Told you can leave and played out of position in a Pulis style of team is pretty much being shafted as a forward in my opinion. I am not in anyway condoning his subsequent actions but chicken and egg spring to mind. Good excuse for Pulis though.  ;)

Being told you can leave doesn't mean that you can leave for next to nothing.  Still requires the buying club to make an acceptable offer.  He wasn't being granted a free transfer! 

Being played out of position is a different issue, but Berahino clearly cannot play the lone striker role.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on December 28, 2015, 12:22:33 PM
Lambert and Berahino upfront at home for the next couple would be a good idea I think.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2015, 12:37:51 PM
Told you can leave and played out of position in a Pulis style of team is pretty much being shafted as a forward in my opinion. I am not in anyway condoning his subsequent actions but chicken and egg spring to mind. Good excuse for Pulis though.  ;)

Told you can leave probably depending on receiving a certain offer which given the one from Spurs and their pathetic upfront payment was not part of the deal. Also the playing out of position is again wrong as this is a player who has spent most of his career at all levels out wide as well as upfront including under previous Head Coaches at this club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2015, 01:17:30 PM
Told you can leave probably depending on receiving a certain offer which given the one from Spurs and their pathetic upfront payment was not part of the deal. Also the playing out of position is again wrong as this is a player who has spent most of his career at all levels out wide as well as upfront including under previous Head Coaches at this club.
So neither statement wrong ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2015, 01:20:40 PM
So neither statement wrong ;)

I didn't say they were wrong statements just not as clear cut as you would like it to appear by putting your little slant on it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2015, 01:31:45 PM
again wrong
;)

Under TP told he can leave and played (occasionally ) out of his best position.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2015, 01:34:19 PM
;)

Under TP told he can leave and played (occasionally ) out of his best position.

Oh dear forgive me I DID say the word WRONG, maybe I should have just put TWISTED instead  ;)

Yeah, told he can leave but would depend on a decent deal being offered. Spurs didn't do that and I wouldn't expect any club who don't need the money to accept a poor deal like that.

So now he has only played "occasionally" out his best position ? Same as with other coaches both for us and the England U21 then ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on December 28, 2015, 04:07:40 PM
According to reports on Sky, TP said that there's things go on at clubs that the general public don't know about and that Berahino is lucky to be on the bench.
Not sure what the idiot has done now but I would say his days are numbered for sure
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on December 28, 2015, 04:11:16 PM
According to reports on Sky, TP said that there's things go on at clubs that the general public don't know about and that Berahino is lucky to be on the bench.
Not sure what the idiot has done now but I would say his days are numbered for sure

Surely we'd be better off getting Nabi on the bench in that case.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on December 28, 2015, 05:29:20 PM
I heard the players went out up town on the urine a few weeks ago for christmas and Berahino got absolutely lashed and embarrassed his self and started to have a go at other players.

Don't know how true though
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: matt_wba912 on December 28, 2015, 05:40:19 PM
I heard the players went out up town on the urine a few weeks ago for christmas and Berahino got absolutely lashed and embarrassed his self and started to have a go at other players.

Don't know how true though

Thing is with Saido all the rumours that go around show he's clearly s bit thick and fancies himself but none of the stories are truly bad...just a silly young lad

I'm not going to make apologies for the lad, he's clearly gifted but he has the potential to be his own worst enemy and its down to him to correct that.  At the same time though nothing he has done really sounds any different to any of the modern premier league footballers

Long and short of it is he's our most talented player but the longer this goes on the more likely everyone loses out.  He needs to leave for the benefit of everyone
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2015, 05:58:53 PM
Came on and played better today, looked a lot more interested than recently.

There are rumours he has had an issue in the last week and was lucky toeven be on the bench. I think the parting of the ways is very close and hopefully when he goes it allows us to do a lot more.

I heard someone on the radio saying that the plan by Pulis was to play Saido behind Rondon but events though the season have not allowed that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on December 28, 2015, 09:17:15 PM
sounds as if pulis is keeping it to himself regarding the he's lucky to be on the bench quote.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2015, 09:38:45 PM
sounds as if pulis is keeping it to himself regarding the he's lucky to be on the bench quote.

He refused to discuss it when questioned on WM after the game saying all is sorted out but had repeated the same comment to a number of the media before the game apparantely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on December 28, 2015, 09:41:40 PM
He refused to discuss it when questioned on WM after the game saying all is sorted out but had repeated the same comment to a number of the media before the game apparantely.
think its for the best to be honest, whether he stays or moves on we don't need anymore incidents with saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2015, 09:53:33 PM
He refused to discuss it when questioned on WM after the game saying all is sorted out but had repeated the same comment to a number of the media before the game apparantely.

Seems a bit odd to have mentioned it to the media and then to refuse to elaborate.  Either worth mentioning or it wasn't, but I guess he had to explain the logic of picking Big Vic ahead of him.   In hindsight it would have been better to say nothing and claim a tactical selection masterstroke!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on December 28, 2015, 09:57:42 PM
Seems a bit odd to have mentioned it to the media and then to refuse to elaborate.  Either worth mentioning or it wasn't, but I guess he had to explain the logic of picking Big Vic ahead of him.   In hindsight it would have been better to say nothing and claim a tactical selection masterstroke!
Pat Murphy asked the question first. Radio 5.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 28, 2015, 09:59:40 PM
What a pointless comment from Pulis.

Throws him right underneath a bus really.

If there's a problem - keep it internal.

Don't give half a story and then an hour later say everything is fine.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on December 28, 2015, 10:04:33 PM
What a pointless comment from Pulis.

Throws him right underneath a bus really.

If there's a problem - keep it internal.

Don't give half a story and then an hour later say everything is fine.
Possibly another softening tactic for when our own product gets moved on in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on December 28, 2015, 10:38:08 PM
All this bench sitting and press comments makes me convinced a deal is in place, as mentioned comments like this are cushioners for the move, they don't motivate a player with his ego. IMO he will be one of the first big transfers of Jan.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on December 28, 2015, 11:59:39 PM
Just cant wait until he is gone, horrible, ungrateful, arrogant little tosser, and how some can still sing his name I will never understand.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 29, 2015, 12:04:24 AM
I wanted him to do well even after his childish outbursts.
He has carried on down the "silly" road.
He needs to go, and go now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on December 29, 2015, 12:20:32 AM
This cannot go on it is a sideshow we simply don't need, we will cut a deal next month how good it is remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2015, 09:16:36 AM
Whats with he loves his mum comment from Ian Wright, dont we all love our mums

is Ian wright his old man or something, he keeps defending him.how can anyone continuously defend bad attitude
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on December 29, 2015, 09:43:06 AM
Trying his best to get a move.  I don't think a deal is done yet because if it was we wouldn't be playing him therefore reducing the risk of him getting injured. 

As for Ian Wrights comments last night... well all the misdemeanours he's done it's clearly have clubs fault.  Trouble will follow him as it will be proved when he does go. 

Depending on the fee we get will depend if he movea on. This seasons antics are a deliberate attempt to reduce his fee imo. If we don't get the fee we want I'd let him rot in the U21s until the end of his contract. Totally ruin the blokes career. Deserves nothing less.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on December 29, 2015, 10:04:09 AM
Such a shame. Not only is he a talented footballer and has come from our academy, but at times he seems like a decent guy. Unfortunately he has reacted poorly to both his wealth and the summer window and I think its best that he goes now.

Problem is that I don't think that his stock has risen. Since we turned down the summer offers he has barely played for us and has seemingly been a bit of a problem, so would a title chasing Spurs want to risk destabilising the morale in their team by signing him?

Then you've got the fee. While Peace can generally get great fees for our players I'd be surprised if we get any more than £15m for him now, if anyone comes in at all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 29, 2015, 10:18:41 AM
If somebody was trying to be malicious it could be said that a year under Pulis and he has gone from top goalscorer, future England International, our greatest asset and prospect to naughty boy trying desperately to get out of the club.  :-X

Could be a roller coaster January, expect plenty of Berahino headlines.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 29, 2015, 10:58:51 AM
If somebody was trying to be malicious it could be said that a year under Pulis and he has gone from top goalscorer, future England International, our greatest asset and prospect to naughty boy trying desperately to get out of the club.  :-X

Could be a roller coaster January, expect plenty of Berahino headlines.

the only problem with this notion that is that he was playing okay last season under Pulis; a regular starter, playing well and scoring goals. If he had continued to do that he would be in the reckoning for a move to a bigger club and a chance of making the Euro 16 squad. Berahino made the decisions to act like a bell end and sulk nothing to do with Pulis.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on December 29, 2015, 11:00:56 AM
Nobody to blame but himself - top sportsmen and generally successful people take responsibility for their actions. Life's too short for us and him, flog him as soon as so we can replace him as soon as.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on December 29, 2015, 11:07:27 AM
I actually thought he would improve his overall game under TP had he knuckled down , as much as  he is a natural goal scorer I've never been convinced by his passing and awareness at key times.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 29, 2015, 11:28:31 AM
If anybody knows the actual truth about what's happened then please enlighten us?
But
There are many on here talking about his "attitude" and then taking TP's apparent dislike has a fair reason but then not understanding the dislike for poco/Gambia et al?

He's a young man who has been through a lot, he gets paid well, but less than Lambert and who contributes more out of them two?
There may be things he doesn't do well but ant we all in a glass house?
When he came on yesterday I would say he was good, committed and really tried, what more do we want?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 29, 2015, 11:31:47 AM
The only logical conclusion I can draw has to be that he, Berahino, has done everything possible to reduce his price/value in order to make the eventual and inevitable transfer more likely to happen. At a reduced price he becomes more desirable and more affordable to more clubs surely?
Whoever gets him is most probably buying into a whole load of trouble though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2015, 11:32:50 AM
The only logical conclusion I can draw has to be that he, Berahino, has done everything possible to reduce his price/value in order to make the eventual and inevitable transfer more likely to happen. At a reduced price he becomes more desirable and more affordable to more clubs surely?
Whoever gets him is most probably buying into a whole load of trouble though.


if thats the case run his contract out in the reserves
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 29, 2015, 11:34:33 AM
I will give him kudos for the time he took the ball into the corner and held off two defenders to win the corner
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sted1990 on December 29, 2015, 12:00:00 PM
I think he's a quality players but the quicker he goes the better then we can all move on.

Don't take a penny less then 15 million plus adds and by add on's please dont sign Andros Townsend.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on December 29, 2015, 12:02:47 PM
2 sides to every story.

Be interesting if Berahino came out with something like that wouldnt it. But then TP would end up fining him. TP is a hypocrite. Hate the bloke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2015, 12:15:31 PM
If anybody knows the actual truth about what's happened then please enlighten us?
But
There are many on here talking about his "attitude" and then taking TP's apparent dislike has a fair reason but then not understanding the dislike for poco/Gambia et al?

He's a young man who has been through a lot, he gets paid well, but less than Lambert and who contributes more out of them two?
There may be things he doesn't do well but ant we all in a glass house?
When he came on yesterday I would say he was good, committed and really tried, what more do we want?

Is only paid less than Lambert because he declined to sign a new contract. His choice.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on December 29, 2015, 12:25:05 PM
2 sides to every story.

Be interesting if Berahino came out with something like that wouldnt it. But then TP would end up fining him. TP is a hypocrite. Hate the bloke.

TP is the boss - in any job, if you came out and criticised your boss, there would be consequences!

Not sure in this instance how Pulis can be deemed a hypocrite?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: amathews3416 on December 29, 2015, 01:00:31 PM
Peace messed this up back in August when he had 25 million on the table from Spurs.  Fast forward a few months later, Berahino has been a cancer in the locker room, needs to be removed, and we'll be lucky to recoup half that original price that Spurs were willing to pay.  Peace let his ego get in the way and it hurt the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 29, 2015, 01:06:07 PM
Peace messed this up back in August when he had 25 million on the table from Spurs.  Fast forward a few months later, Berahino has been a cancer in the locker room, needs to be removed, and we'll be lucky to recoup half that original price that Spurs were willing to pay.  Peace let his ego get in the way and it hurt the club.

There was never £25million on the table - apart from that and that Peaces ego got in the way of a deal I agree with your post
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2015, 01:11:19 PM
Peace messed this up back in August when he had 25 million on the table from Spurs.  Fast forward a few months later, Berahino has been a cancer in the locker room, needs to be removed, and we'll be lucky to recoup half that original price that Spurs were willing to pay.  Peace let his ego get in the way and it hurt the club.

na, i am on JPs side on this one. Tottenham are one of the richest clubs in the world, offering part payments from what we are led to believe was an insult
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2015, 01:14:46 PM
na, i am on JPs side on this one. Tottenham are one of the richest clubs in the world, offering part payments from what we are led to believe was an insult

They offered £3m up front (no use to anyone when QPR wanted £10m upfront for Austin) plus £5m a year for 3 years plus a conditional £4m based on how Spurs perform. A ridiculous deal.  No sane chairman would have accepted that.  Spurs were banking on Berahino forcing JP into a corner and they and Berahino badly misjudged that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2015, 01:19:15 PM
spurs should really be paying us compo for messing with his head
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2015, 01:23:02 PM
spurs should really be paying us compo for messing with his head

Agree 100%.  They tried the same with Wanyama but he was mature enough to deal with it, and/or better advised.   Wanyama will get his big move in the summer and his career will progress.  Berahino could well do a Chopra or Jeffers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 29, 2015, 01:29:52 PM
Agree 100%.  They tried the same with Wanyama but he was mature enough to deal with it, and/or better advised.   Wanyama will get his big move in the summer and his career will progress.  Berahino could well do a Chopra or Jeffers.

As long as we get a Chopra or Jeffers-esque fee before he implodes I could care less!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on December 29, 2015, 01:37:25 PM
They offered £3m up front (no use to anyone when QPR wanted £10m upfront for Austin) plus £5m a year for 3 years plus a conditional £4m based on how Spurs perform. A ridiculous deal.  No sane chairman would have accepted that.  Spurs were banking on Berahino forcing JP into a corner and they and Berahino badly misjudged that.

His stock has lowered and we won't get anywhere near that figure even if in instalments or not. JP wanted to come out on top but it will backfire IMO. The same happened with Odemwingie who went for a fraction of what QPR offered.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on December 29, 2015, 01:40:27 PM
Sometimes it should be about more than the money and how it comes. I'm glad we stood firm and didn't allow ourselves to be bullied. Peace should be applauded for his stance not criticised. Criticism should be reserved for those that merit it, Saido and Spurs. Would Spurs accept that sort of deal from man Utd for Kane?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on December 29, 2015, 01:45:38 PM
Sometimes it should be about more than the money and how it comes. I'm glad we stood firm and didn't allow ourselves to be bullied. Peace should be applauded for his stance not criticised. Criticism should be reserved for those that merit it, Saido and Spurs. Would Spurs accept that sort of deal from man Utd for Kane?

It works both ways though. How many times has JP made a derisory offer for players? Had we offered QPR say £1m upfront and the rest over 3 years for Phillips then JP would have been lauded.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2015, 01:47:15 PM
Sometimes it should be about more than the money and how it comes. I'm glad we stood firm and didn't allow ourselves to be bullied. Peace should be applauded for his stance not criticised. Criticism should be reserved for those that merit it, Saido and Spurs. Would Spurs accept that sort of deal from man Utd for Kane?


good point, absolutely no way would they. Peace played a blinder here even if he dont get 25 million. why should we be bullied

Tottingham consistantly leaking to the media should be made to pay compensation
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2015, 01:54:54 PM
His stock has lowered and we won't get anywhere near that figure even if in instalments or not. JP wanted to come out on top but it will backfire IMO. The same happened with Odemwingie who went for a fraction of what QPR offered.

His stock has lowered but fees have gone up, especially for English strikers. I think that overall deal would possibly have been done in August if Spurs had offered £6m or £7m cash upfront but they apparently couldn't afford it.  Says it all really about Levy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2015, 01:57:11 PM
It works both ways though. How many times has JP made a derisory offer for players? Had we offered QPR say £1m upfront and the rest over 3 years for Phillips then JP would have been lauded.

You miss the point. If QPR had found it acceptable then it's not "derisory".  It takes two clubs to agree a fee.  If we've signed anyone after a "derisory" offer then the selling club clearly didn't view it as derisory or they wouldn't have accepted it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on December 29, 2015, 01:59:30 PM
Liverpool quoted as favourites to sign him on one site, he could strike up a good partnership with Benteke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2015, 02:02:17 PM
Liverpool quoted as favourites to sign him on one site, he could strike up a good partnership with Benteke.

Yep - here's the link.  £23.5m according to the article.  Let's hope it's true.  Would love to see Spurs priced out of buying him

http://www.sportsvibe.co.uk/news/football/reports-liverpool-close-to-signing-23-5million-striker-38344/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on December 29, 2015, 02:02:41 PM
Liverpool quoted as favourites to sign him on one site, he could strike up a good partnership with Benteke.

He's be behind Sturridge (when fit) and Benteke. They've also got Origi but I'm not sure how much Klopp rates him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2015, 02:16:06 PM
He's be behind Sturridge (when fit) and Benteke. They've also got Origi but I'm not sure how much Klopp rates him

Sturridge's medical file is even thicker than Big Vic's! 

Anfield would be a decent move for Berahino, but I think the goalscoring draught at Old Trafford and Chelsea continually playing without an out and out striker could see them interested, plus Newcastle as well as Tottenham.  Just what JP was hoping for!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on December 29, 2015, 02:19:03 PM
Is only paid less than Lambert because he declined to sign a new contract. His choice.

Negotiations were underway but no contract was formally offered for Berahino to decline, as allegations of drink driving (which Berahino denied at the time) emerged in the press.

Very naive/silly/f(in' stupid thing to deny as the Law was never going to let him walk away. I would imagine JP took a very dim view of this 'over sight' on his part, especially following on from his previous giggle gas recorded bedroom and driving indiscretions.

To my knowledge talks were never (Ed: formally) resumed following his subsequent ban.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on December 29, 2015, 02:36:32 PM
2 sides to every story.

Be interesting if Berahino came out with something like that wouldnt it. But then TP would end up fining him. TP is a hypocrite. Hate the bloke.
We just don't know what has happened. What we can work on is that Berahino has a past of controversy and problems.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2015, 03:51:14 PM
Negotiations were underway but no contract was formally offered for Berahino to decline, as allegations of drink driving (which Berahino denied at the time) emerged in the press.

Very naive/silly/f(in' stupid thing to deny as the Law was never going to let him walk away. I would imagine JP took a very dim view of this 'over sight' on his part, especially following on from his previous giggle gas recorded bedroom and driving indiscretions.

To my knowledge talks were never (Ed: formally) resumed following his subsequent ban.

I think that's correct, although I believe informal discussions were put to him about a new contract with a minimum transfer fee clause included, which Berahino could have signed if he wasn't so committed to leaving.  He does of course run the (slim) risk of still being here in 18 months time (and of receiving a career-ending injury, the insurance for which would be based on his low current earnings rather than what was on the table).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 29, 2015, 04:05:01 PM
I will give him kudos for the time he took the ball into the corner and held off two defenders to win the corner

Yes, that was really good. I guess that's the real shame with him. We could have had a really good player who then moved on, having established himself as a top player. Sadly, his lack of intelligence and lack of good guidance has left him maybe half of what he could be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 29, 2015, 04:26:16 PM
How people still defend this kid is beyond me.

Do people ever notice he still takes prt in no/very little of the half-time warm ups? He still kicks a ball from side to side on his own (i noted this last year so its obvious he has not changed his ways). People would say this is petty, however yesterday a full England international, an FA Cup winner, a World Cup representative all took part in the warm and all did what they were told. Berahino has this "im better than anyone and everyone at WBA so i dont need to anything i dont want to because I have scored little over 20 Premier League goals".

He also never claps the fans, never acknowledges us, even the ones who still sing his name and still love him.

That, is inexcusable. How anybody still praises him is beyond me. And i guarantee you who still sing his name will be the first to boo him when he returns with another club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on December 29, 2015, 06:00:37 PM
How people still defend this kid is beyond me.

Do people ever notice he still takes prt in no/very little of the half-time warm ups? He still kicks a ball from side to side on his own (i noted this last year so its obvious he has not changed his ways). People would say this is petty, however yesterday a full England international, an FA Cup winner, a World Cup representative all took part in the warm and all did what they were told. Berahino has this "im better than anyone and everyone at WBA so i dont need to anything i dont want to because I have scored little over 20 Premier League goals".

He also never claps the fans, never acknowledges us, even the ones who still sing his name and still love him.

That, is inexcusable. How anybody still praises him is beyond me. And i guarantee you who still sing his name will be the first to boo him when he returns with another club.

The kid scores goals. Surely that is all that should matter to us? I couldn't give a monkeys about the baggage. We are never going to have top players here that perform week in week out and cause no bother.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2015, 06:08:36 PM
The kid scores goals. Surely that is all that should matter to us? I couldn't give a monkeys about the baggage. We are never going to have top players here that perform week in week out and cause no bother.

The problem is that some of us have principles.  Just like with Odemwingie.

It's like Liverpool fans who blindly supported Suarez and only cared about his goals.  Sometimes the blinkers need to be taken off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on December 29, 2015, 06:16:50 PM
The problem is that some of us have principles.  Just like with Odemwingie.

It's like Liverpool fans who blindly supported Suarez and only cared about his goals.  Sometimes the blinkers need to be taken off.

Interesting analogy given that many feel Saido has bitten the hand that feeds him  :) ;).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2015, 06:20:58 PM
Interesting analogy given that many feel Saido has bitten the hand that feeds him  :) ;).

It was unintentional but very apt!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on December 29, 2015, 06:27:59 PM
How people still defend this kid is beyond me.

Do people ever notice he still takes prt in no/very little of the half-time warm ups? He still kicks a ball from side to side on his own (i noted this last year so its obvious he has not changed his ways). People would say this is petty, however yesterday a full England international, an FA Cup winner, a World Cup representative all took part in the warm and all did what they were told. Berahino has this "im better than anyone and everyone at WBA so i dont need to anything i dont want to because I have scored little over 20 Premier League goals".

He also never claps the fans, never acknowledges us, even the ones who still sing his name and still love him.

That, is inexcusable. How anybody still praises him is beyond me. And i guarantee you who still sing his name will be the first to boo him when he returns with another club.

Except that he was warming up with James Chester at half time, and was laughing and joking with Lambert and many of the players.



I find it strange that many on here are keen to see the back of him yet lambast Pulis for playing work hard merchants. A player with genuine talent and we want rid because of off the field issues, yet people are unhappy that the likes of Gardner get selected. We can't have it both ways - we aren't a large enough club for that.

Even the best players have unsavoury characteristics - Gerrard punch a man in a nightclub, Giggs had an affair with his brothers' wife, John Terry has too many to list, even Messi has been accused of tax fraud! If we got rid of every player who ever rocked the boat then we'd be left with a squad devoid of talent and life would be a bit more boring for it!

And just to add my own opinion, he's an idiot for wasting the many chances this club has given him, but if he leaves and we can reinvest that money, then I will thank him for his goals. Maybe not wish him well, because of what could have been, but acknowledge a talented player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2015, 06:45:35 PM
If somebody was trying to be malicious it could be said that a year under Pulis and he has gone from top goalscorer, future England International, our greatest asset and prospect to naughty boy trying desperately to get out of the club.  :-X

Could be a roller coaster January, expect plenty of Berahino headlines.

I don't think they would be malicious.

I think they would be bloody stupid to even attempt to shift the blame.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BRIAN on December 29, 2015, 07:15:23 PM
In the Express & Star tonight, Pulis says that everyone at the club pulls together,but it appears that recently Saido took a different line. A real mystery.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: socalbaggie on December 29, 2015, 07:30:33 PM
The kid scores goals. Surely that is all that should matter to us? I couldn't give a monkeys about the baggage. We are never going to have top players here that perform week in week out and cause no bother.
I agree with you to an extent! Personally, there is only two things that a player could do that would bother or anger me enough to want them gone. First and most obvious would be if one were to play with a clear and obvious lack of effort and desire and secondly if a player becomes a cancer within the locker room spreading negativity that destroys a teams chemistry. If a player when asked to play gives 100% and contributes then I could care less about anything else.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on December 29, 2015, 08:49:48 PM
And so it begins. Saido seems to have been linked with every other club in the Premier League but only ever been subject to one serious offer. Now that it is January he is one of the few players who is almost certainly available and half the league could be argued looking for a striker we are about to be engulfed in another tidal wave of speculation.

Frankly I won't believe any of it until someone shows us the money and the quicker they do the better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ukitr on December 29, 2015, 09:02:42 PM
In the Express & Star tonight, Pulis says that everyone at the club pulls together,but it appears that recently Saido took a different line. A real mystery.
All players stayed in a hotel the night before the Newcastle game -  did Saido refuse?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 29, 2015, 09:28:12 PM
How people still defend this kid is beyond me.

Do people ever notice he still takes prt in no/very little of the half-time warm ups? He still kicks a ball from side to side on his own (i noted this last year so its obvious he has not changed his ways). People would say this is petty, however yesterday a full England international, an FA Cup winner, a World Cup representative all took part in the warm and all did what they were told. Berahino has this "im better than anyone and everyone at WBA so i dont need to anything i dont want to because I have scored little over 20 Premier League goals".

He also never claps the fans, never acknowledges us, even the ones who still sing his name and still love him.

That, is inexcusable. How anybody still praises him is beyond me. And i guarantee you who still sing his name will be the first to boo him when he returns with another club.
Warm ups ?.really? So you would shoot le tissier for not looking bothered?

Clapping?, I don't care.....but he clearly clapped the halfords on Monday when leaving the pitch

I'd never boo him, I think he has saved/earned/will earn us millions
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on December 29, 2015, 10:16:32 PM
More insight from the Telegraph re latest bust up with Saido

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/12073400/Saido-Berahino-warned-over-timekeeping-by-Tony-Pulis-but-clock-could-be-ticking-on-forwards-West-Brom-career.html

Saido Berahino has been warned over his timekeeping by Tony Pulis but the clock could be ticking on the forward’s career at West Bromwich Albion.

The Telegraph can reveal that Berahino was punished by Pulis for persistent lateness and he was only included on the Albion substitutes' bench for the game against Newcastle United due to a lack of alternatives.
Berahino is alleged to have turned up late a number of times for training and team meetings and Pulis was left with no option but to issue another warning to the 22-year-old.

Saido Berahino was 'lucky to be on the bench' according to West Brom's Tony Pulis
It is the latest controversy to test the patience of the Albion coaching staff and players, following an incident in October at Crystal Palace when he listened to music through his headphones in the dressing room at half-time after being taken off.

This recent brush with the Albion head coach has ensured Berahino's future with the club appears increasingly uncertain ahead of the January transfer window. Tottenham Hotspur are considering whether to reignite their interest after four bids were rejected by West Brom chairman Jeremy Peace over the summer.
Spurs offered a final deal worth a potential £23 million but Berahino’s transfer value is diminishing rapidly due to his lack of first-team opportunities and he has only 18 months left on his current contract.

Now a parting of the way seems inevitable if a deal can be agreed with Peace in the next four weeks. Andros Townsend, the Spurs midfielder, could be included as part of a swap deal after being targeted by Pulis.
Darren Fletcher, the West Brom captain, admitted that Berahino can prove a frustration. "He's a really talented player - that's the biggest frustration how good a player he is and how talented he is and he does things that are a little bit petulant at times, but he's young as well and I think everyone's got to remember that,” he said.
"He has had a difficult time. I have spoken to Saido and you know a lot of people have. We'll see what happens in January but he's always welcome here because we think highly of him and we want him to do well in the game.”
West Brom are preparing their strategy for the January window, with Peace to return this weekend after a short holiday in Barbados.

Another player facing an uncertain future is Arsenal winger Serge Gnabry, whose loan move to the Hawthorns has not worked out.
Gnabry, 20, has not made a league start since signing a season’s loan in August and West Brom and Arsenal are set to have talks in the next few days.
Arsenal will have to agree to scrap the deal but with Gnabry having not played any first-team football since September it could suit them to exercise a recall option and then find him another club.


Nothing major just low level indiscipline week in week out, nothing to be done but ship him out and wish the buyer the best of luck because they are going to need it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 29, 2015, 10:19:04 PM
The problem is that some of us have principles.  Just like with Odemwingie.

It's like Liverpool fans who blindly supported Suarez and only cared about his goals.  Sometimes the blinkers need to be taken off.

Best player in the world currently  ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2015, 10:22:58 PM
Best player in the world currently  ???

I don't care. A total pr*ck.  Would you have been happy to sign and worship a player like that?  There was a time when were allegedly interested in signing El Hadj Djouf, a disgusting face-spitting specimen if ever there was. I honestly don't care how good they are. There has to be a line of principle drawn somewhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 29, 2015, 10:29:22 PM
I don't care. A total pr*ck.  Would you have been happy to sign and worship a player like that?  There was a time when were allegedly interested in signing El Hadj Djouf, a disgusting face-spitting specimen if ever there was. I honestly don't care how good they are. There has to be a line of principle drawn somewhere.

I think comapring Suarez to Diouf is a little far fetched, and also football wise completely stupid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2015, 10:36:17 PM
I think comapring Suarez to Diouf is a little far fetched, and also football wise completely stupid.

In what way?  The point I was making was that there are players with certain moral standards who I wouldn't like to see anywhere near this club, no matter how good they are. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on December 29, 2015, 10:59:26 PM
Really Berahino has clearly done what he has said he would do, go on strike. Take the money Albion and get him out of the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 29, 2015, 11:24:06 PM
In what way?  The point I was making was that there are players with certain moral standards who I wouldn't like to see anywhere near this club, no matter how good they are.

Because I'd like to think 99.9 percent of Albion fans would want Luis Suarez in the stripes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on December 29, 2015, 11:26:46 PM
The article says he has netted 8 times this season and we are desperate to hang onto him. What a load of carp!!!
Obviously very reliable
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2015, 11:37:50 PM
Because I'd like to think 99.9 percent of Albion fans would want Luis Suarez in the stripes.

I'd like to think that there are more than 0.1% who possess a compass which actually points northwards
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 29, 2015, 11:47:19 PM
Fortunately Suarez would never be here.
He is not tall enough for a Pulis team.   ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on December 30, 2015, 03:51:45 AM
Berahino earned his 'lucky to be on the bench' comment from TP because he has been regularly late for training and team meetings, according to The Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/12073400/Saido-Berahino-warned-over-timekeeping-by-Tony-Pulis-but-clock-could-be-ticking-on-forwards-West-Brom-career.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on December 30, 2015, 06:32:05 AM
Berahino earned his 'lucky to be on the bench' comment from TP because he has been regularly late for training and team meetings, according to The Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/12073400/Saido-Berahino-warned-over-timekeeping-by-Tony-Pulis-but-clock-could-be-ticking-on-forwards-West-Brom-career.html

If true I think it only goes to confirm that he has little respect for the club that employs him.
No matter how good people think he is I think he's toxic and has to go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on December 30, 2015, 07:47:39 AM
If true I think it only goes to confirm that he has little respect for the club that employs him.
No matter how good people think he is I think he's toxic and has to go.

Agree with that. We are never going to get anything out of him now so he has to go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 30, 2015, 07:59:31 AM
In his defence he was celebrating happily when we scored on Monday.

Shame it will end like this - he's been immature but could have been a legend here and achieved cult status as the new Regis.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on December 30, 2015, 08:13:57 AM
I like him Cads Ap, and I really wish that he was a part of our set up. I wish him well and hope that he goes to the right club. He wasn't on for long against Newcastle but you could immediately see that he was a threat..........just a pity that we are no longer what he wants.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on December 30, 2015, 09:14:47 AM
Berahino earned his 'lucky to be on the bench' comment from TP because he has been regularly late for training and team meetings, according to The Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/12073400/Saido-Berahino-warned-over-timekeeping-by-Tony-Pulis-but-clock-could-be-ticking-on-forwards-West-Brom-career.html

After reading that its obvious that the kid is too much hard work and as TP states not a team player
He is a great talent but needs to find pastures new
Problem is the more stories like this appear the harder it is to get good cash for such a talented numpty
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on December 30, 2015, 10:23:55 AM
i doubt the top clubs will touch him now knowing his attitude, sell him to the dogheads as punishment
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 30, 2015, 10:35:34 AM
As I said the other day he's a fool to himself if he thinks he's going to get the move he wants by behaving this way. He may have it in his head that he will be lowering the asking price but who will take a risk on someone playing silly buggers all the time. Lets face it if his timekeeping is poor he'll keep getting fined, he's not earning much in relation to other players at the club so I genuinely believe we wouldn't think twice as a club to let him essentially rot if we can't get the price we want for him.

If he does end up staying here until at least the summer then his stock will have fallen so low in the game that the only move he will get will see him earn a lot less than he's expecting for a much smaller club than he wants to go to. He is an absolute moron who should have got his head down and put in the performances to convince a decent side to go all out for him in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on December 30, 2015, 10:48:17 AM
I like him Cads Ap, and I really wish that he was a part of our set up. I wish him well and hope that he goes to the right club. He wasn't on for long against Newcastle but you could immediately see that he was a threat..........just a pity that we are no longer what he wants.

I really don't understand what is likeable about him. Ever since he broke onto the scene, there has been one thing after another with him...he has shown the club absolutely no respect at any point and from the sounds of it, has continued to act like a tool behind the scenes, even after Pulis attempted to bring him back into the fold after his summer tittybabby fit!

I couldn't care less how good a player he is (I think if he had the right application and attitude, he would be a top player), I don't want him here and look forward to the day he leaves! There's ways of going about getting a move - he has gone about it completely the wrong way!

He should have left the Albion a hero - we have waited for years for a kid to come out the academy and make an impact and be one of our own. Sadly, his actions mean this won't be the case!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2015, 11:03:08 AM
Wouldnt it be nice if we had harmony in the camp just for once. maybe petes to blame for all of this
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on December 30, 2015, 11:17:44 AM
I think the biggest insult to Saido is that Harry Redknapp has urged Spurs not to sign him! Redknapp loved buying people, he would of signed Hitler if he was available so for him to advise Spurs not to buy him he must have a bad reputation!

For what its worth, i think as with everything there are two sides to every story, however with Berahino there are so many things that have cropped up it does just seem he is a bad egg.

When Pulis first came in he made all the right noises about wanting to work with him, get him on the straight and narrow, etc but it does almost seem even he has gave up on him, shame as i dont think his talent is in question but he just seems to have no respect as his actions have shown over previous seasons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on December 30, 2015, 12:54:42 PM
Berahino earned his 'lucky to be on the bench' comment from TP because he has been regularly late for training and team meetings, according to The Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/12073400/Saido-Berahino-warned-over-timekeeping-by-Tony-Pulis-but-clock-could-be-ticking-on-forwards-West-Brom-career.html
From John Percy.....close to Pulis so id say theres truth in that.
Just not acceptable , earphones ? .......dear oh dear .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on December 30, 2015, 01:25:20 PM
It's sad that it's turned out this way for Saido, but his attitude simply isn't professional enough. I imagine you could get away with this kind of behaviour 10-15 years ago but these days you have to be very commited, and for the money they earn it's clear why.

Without sounding bitter, I think he will always carry his problems with him throughout his career, which is why it's sad, because he could have been a top player. I don't really know of many players with discipline problems who have dramatically turned it round in their careers, usually it just doesn't go away.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on December 30, 2015, 01:28:46 PM
The kid is an idiot. Never learns, never grows up. Born with a natural talent which he will ultimately go on to waste. By mentality he's a loser. Get rid. Enough is enough. Time to let him be somebody else's problem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2015, 01:29:40 PM
He can go anywhere but Tottingham, they are the route cause of all this
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 30, 2015, 01:34:42 PM
He can go anywhere but Tottingham, they are the route cause of all this

If it had not of been Spurs, it would have been someone else, time to get rid, he was trouble to his loan clubs, he will always be trouble, we need the money more than him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on December 30, 2015, 03:47:36 PM
Potentially keeps up his price if we circulate we're desperate to keep him - it's just a case of U.S. Getting the best deal for him now......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2015, 03:54:54 PM
If it had not of been Spurs, it would have been someone else, time to get rid, he was trouble to his loan clubs, he will always be trouble, we need the money more than him.

and england. Yes indeed hes trouble
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on December 30, 2015, 05:16:41 PM
This isn't sour grapes but if I was a Liverpool or Spurs fan and we were being linked with him for 20 or 25 million I don't think I would be overly impressed. Let's be honest he's massively overhyped for what he's done, he's the same age as Lukaku not a kid anymore.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 30, 2015, 09:15:26 PM
Liverpool?

I'd say Sturridge, Benteke, and Origi were all better players, and they could afford better.

Probably just paper talk.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 30, 2015, 09:23:44 PM
When is the window open?
And...
When can we throw him through it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on December 30, 2015, 11:15:36 PM
don't think we have missed him,the way we set up he will hardly get a game anyway,just hope whatever we get for him is not wasted ie mac and chester
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 30, 2015, 11:47:58 PM
            Pete.    saido
Sess.                        McLean



              Lambert.      Vic
Brunt.                              Gardner

One group are considered quite naughty, one group almost squeak, I know which ones I'd have..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 31, 2015, 12:01:29 AM
What's the song?
I see that trouble's ahead....
A lovely tune, ....but.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 01, 2016, 01:44:16 PM
Interesting response from the Secret Footballer to a tweet asking if he had sympathy for Berahino who in earlier piece labelled "big time"

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/tsf-diary/29876/west-bromwich-albions-saido-berahino-in-spot-of-bother/

Sympathy? A modicum. After all, he is big time and annoys the other pros.

But Pulis is a manager who goes over the top of the ball when dealing with players who don’t play ball as he likes. There will be only one winner here and it will be Pulis.

He wants to sell Berahino and spend the cash and isn’t interested in him staying because he knows that the player is open about wanting to play for a bigger club.

What Pulis is frightened of is that a player will leave and do really well. He feels that would then reflect badly on his own management.

If you look when he was at Stoke City, he didn’t let many of his top player leave – Asmir Begovic, Ryan Shawcross, James Beattie, etc.

Pulis was scared to death that they would talk about his management and that they’d improve as players.

To that end, Berahino is in a tough spot.


Read more at http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/tsf-diary/29876/west-bromwich-albions-saido-berahino-in-spot-of-bother/#rIoWA6RlEzAiVDDJ.99
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 01, 2016, 02:47:26 PM
Interesting response from the Secret Footballer to a tweet asking if he had sympathy for Berahino who in earlier piece labelled "big time"

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/tsf-diary/29876/west-bromwich-albions-saido-berahino-in-spot-of-bother/

Sympathy? A modicum. After all, he is big time and annoys the other pros.

But Pulis is a manager who goes over the top of the ball when dealing with players who don’t play ball as he likes. There will be only one winner here and it will be Pulis.

He wants to sell Berahino and spend the cash and isn’t interested in him staying because he knows that the player is open about wanting to play for a bigger club.

What Pulis is frightened of is that a player will leave and do really well. He feels that would then reflect badly on his own management.

If you look when he was at Stoke City, he didn’t let many of his top player leave – Asmir Begovic, Ryan Shawcross, James Beattie, etc.

Pulis was scared to death that they would talk about his management and that they’d improve as players.

To that end, Berahino is in a tough spot.


Read more at http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/tsf-diary/29876/west-bromwich-albions-saido-berahino-in-spot-of-bother/#rIoWA6RlEzAiVDDJ.99

Interesting article. Isn't the secret footballer rumoured to be Dave Kitson? He would know all about Pulis from his time at Stoke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 01, 2016, 02:53:49 PM
Interesting response from the Secret Footballer to a tweet asking if he had sympathy for Berahino who in earlier piece labelled "big time"

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/tsf-diary/29876/west-bromwich-albions-saido-berahino-in-spot-of-bother/

Sympathy? A modicum. After all, he is big time and annoys the other pros.

But Pulis is a manager who goes over the top of the ball when dealing with players who don’t play ball as he likes. There will be only one winner here and it will be Pulis.

He wants to sell Berahino and spend the cash and isn’t interested in him staying because he knows that the player is open about wanting to play for a bigger club.

What Pulis is frightened of is that a player will leave and do really well. He feels that would then reflect badly on his own management.

If you look when he was at Stoke City, he didn’t let many of his top player leave – Asmir Begovic, Ryan Shawcross, James Beattie, etc.

Pulis was scared to death that they would talk about his management and that they’d improve as players.

To that end, Berahino is in a tough spot.


Read more at http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/tsf-diary/29876/west-bromwich-albions-saido-berahino-in-spot-of-bother/#rIoWA6RlEzAiVDDJ.99

Its a bit like on here except the secret footballer has more knowledge of inside the game though. Its all his opinion.

Begovic has left Stoke and is sitting on the bench at Chelsea when he could have gone elsewhere to become a regular. Beattie was over-rated before at after his Stoke time and Shawcross he took from the United reserves and made him into a Premier League regular on the outskirts of the England squad.

Of course he wants to sell Saido but he's not going to go blabbing to the press saying that is he so others can try and get a few million knocked off the price. Saido is the only member of our squad that will bring in significant finance to allow us to do a few things which if Spurs hadn't tried to get a Waitrose player on Aldi finance would have happened in the Summer.

I think Saido can go far in the game but he needs to look at Harry Kane as a role model instead of his mate Raheem Sterling and get his head down before he becomes another Francis Jeffers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 01, 2016, 03:32:51 PM
Berahino has the wrong attitude to do well in the game, he will always have attitude problems and consequently under achieve. 8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 01, 2016, 04:13:45 PM
Saido will go and he will go to a bigger club, but as with all these players he will sit on the bench and not get any game time, he will then end up elsewhere or if his attitude continues as is then he will end up dropping down the leagues.

At his age in his development he needs continuous games and he has wasted an entire season really of his career as he won't be upto any match standard when he does leave us especially not for a the type of club he wants to join.

I actually hope he goes to Spurs where he will find himself playing second fiddle to Kane and then everyone can see what a plonker this lad is
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 01, 2016, 10:56:28 PM
Berahino has scored the same amount of goals this season as Rondon despite having played 539 minutes less. Shame we couldn't have got him on the pitch more.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 02, 2016, 06:59:05 AM
Berahino has scored the same amount of goals this season as Rondon despite having played 539 minutes less. Shame we couldn't have got him on the pitch more.

Shame he couldn't have got himself on the pitch more.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on January 02, 2016, 09:57:12 AM
Berahino has scored the same amount of goals this season as Rondon despite having played 539 minutes less. Shame we couldn't have got him on the pitch more.
if being a striker was just about putting the ball in the net the national side  for example would just pick the  players with the best goal record, obviously it dosen't just boil down to scoring which is why players like Hurst got the nod over Jimmy Greaves or more recently why Peter Beardsley got 59 caps despite scoring only 9 goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 02, 2016, 11:44:59 AM
Saido will go and he will go to a bigger club, but as with all these players he will sit on the bench and not get any game time, he will then end up elsewhere or if his attitude continues as is then he will end up dropping down the leagues.

At his age in his development he needs continuous games and he has wasted an entire season really of his career as he won't be upto any match standard when he does leave us especially not for a the type of club he wants to join.

I actually hope he goes to Spurs where he will find himself playing second fiddle to Kane and then everyone can see what a plonker this lad is

Such a shame he is so petulant. He could have got his value up to £30M easily by now, instead he'd rather make a t1t of himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2016, 11:47:34 AM
Berahino has scored the same amount of goals this season as Rondon despite having played 539 minutes less. Shame we couldn't have got him on the pitch more.

If he hadn't acted like an idiot he would have been, apparantely the plan was for him to play behind Rondon but the throwing toys sort of stopped that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 02, 2016, 11:50:57 AM
if being a striker was just about putting the ball in the net the national side  for example would just pick the  players with the best goal record, obviously it dosen't just boil down to scoring which is why players like Hurst got the nod over Jimmy Greaves or more recently why Peter Beardsley got 59 caps despite scoring only 9 goals.
True, and we won a World Cup on the back of Hurst putting it in the back of the net three times and nothing with Peter  Beardsley not scoring. Leicester are currently joint top of the table with a pub player consistently scoring.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 02, 2016, 12:07:04 PM
If he hadn't acted like an idiot he would have been, apparantely the plan was for him to play behind Rondon but the throwing toys sort of stopped that

I thought the plan was for Pulis to sell him and spend the money on other players?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2016, 12:07:56 PM
I thought the plan was for Pulis to sell him and spend the money on other players?

It is but whilst he was still here that was the plan but didn't work out for well publicised reasons
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 02, 2016, 12:11:02 PM
It is but whilst he was still here that was the plan but didn't work out for well publicised reasons
Because he was told he could go, Tottenham messed us about and then he started acting like a tit?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 02, 2016, 12:16:40 PM
Because he was told he could go, Tottenham messed us about and then he started acting like a tit?

Yes probably in a nutshell. The thing is with very public "tapping up" you have to pay what the selling club wants like Man City did with Sterling. Spurs did the whole courtship thing but didn't come across with bling  >:(

If he hadn't acted like an idiot he would have been, apparantely the plan was for him to play behind Rondon but the throwing toys sort of stopped that

Well because the toys went out of the pram we never got to see it really but I suspect that might not have worked particularly well because he has not got the all round game that he needs as a number 10, not saying that he can't develop it but right now it isn't there.

I have been generally sanguine about his departure because I have always felt he didn't quite fit into our current style and there are players we might buy with the money that would. As it has turned out with got even less than I thought we might from him this season.

 I hate to admit but he could do well at Spurs although he has to find his best form and drop the billy big bollox attitude. So it is far from certain.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2016, 12:28:14 PM
Because he was told he could go, Tottenham messed us about and then he started acting like a tit?

Yep, told he could go but I guess he was also told it would depend on the deal so not exactly as clear cut as "you can go" no matter how you dress it up.

Only one person to blame and he has a comfy seat at the lane on matchdays.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on January 02, 2016, 02:14:04 PM
True, and we won a World Cup on the back of Hurst putting it in the back of the net three times and nothing with Peter  Beardsley not scoring. Leicester are currently joint top of the table with a pub player consistently scoring.

 Hurst did get an hat trick to help win us the world cup but is goals per game are inferior to Greaves so those folk who just see goals would have picked  Greaves ahead of  Hurst and  we may never have won the world cup.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 02, 2016, 02:20:38 PM
If he hadn't acted like an idiot he would have been, apparantely the plan was for him to play behind Rondon but the throwing toys sort of stopped that

We shouldn't be moving our only goalscorer out of his best position to accomodate an inferior player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 02, 2016, 05:18:23 PM
We shouldn't be moving our only goalscorer out of his best position to accomodate an inferior player.

But we thought he was going - he had declined a new contract.  Can't build a team around a bloke who is determined to leave. Had to buy in his replacement in advance because Spurs played silly bugg*rs right up to the end of the August window
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 02, 2016, 05:51:40 PM
I don't know why people are worried about him going. Hasn't done a tap since November and we haven't missed him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2016, 05:59:42 PM
We shouldn't be moving our only goalscorer out of his best position to accomodate an inferior player.

We seem to be doing okay without him at the moment. Rondon is a totally different type of player so not exactly an inferior one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on January 02, 2016, 10:28:11 PM
He is a proven goalscorer though, and I doubt that he has lost that ability completely at a relatively young age. If he does go, I hope that the club realise they need a replacement goalscorer and where do you find one? Much as Vic and Lambert are good at holding the ball up, the most important job of a striker is to stick the ball in the back of the net.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 03, 2016, 12:14:25 AM
He is a proven goalscorer though, and I doubt that he has lost that ability completely at a relatively young age. If he does go, I hope that the club realise they need a replacement goalscorer and where do you find one? Much as Vic and Lambert are good at holding the ball up, the most important job of a striker is to stick the ball in the back of the net.

It is not April the 1st.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 04, 2016, 11:47:45 AM
http://readwestbrom.com/2016/01/04/west-brom-quartet-set-january-exit/

Newcastle and Norwich joining Tottenham in the race to sign him....he would just love to play in the Championship I am sure!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 04, 2016, 12:11:27 PM
He's made for Newcastle, big time charlie in a big toon
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on January 04, 2016, 12:33:12 PM
Anyone else worried that once we accept a bid for him he gets to which ever club it is for a medical and they just take one look at him and say nah?, when you sign people in January you want them for and raring to go, not have to wait 2/3 months to get them fit
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 04, 2016, 12:40:46 PM
http://readwestbrom.com/2016/01/04/west-brom-quartet-set-january-exit/

Newcastle and Norwich joining Tottenham in the race to sign him....he would just love to play in the Championship I am sure!

I would literally cry with laughter if we sold him to Norwich  ;D

Would serve him right
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 04, 2016, 12:49:22 PM
As much as I'd love him to sign for the Toon or the Canaries it's unlikely either of those would meet our valuation or Bertie Big Bollox expectations.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 04, 2016, 02:09:19 PM
linked with Norwich i hear
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on January 04, 2016, 02:25:12 PM
Hasn't he gone yet?  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 04, 2016, 02:27:27 PM
linked with Norwich i hear

Can't see Norwich spending £15m, let alone £20m
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 04, 2016, 03:11:57 PM
As much as I'd love him to sign for the Toon or the Canaries it's unlikely either of those would meet our valuation of Bertie Big Bollox expectations.

We could take Dozza and Mulla as a deposit though,

Seriously though Kyle lafferty is seriously out of favour at Naarwich, big, quick, Northern irish, would be going cheap and a better alternative than Lambert IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 04, 2016, 03:52:16 PM
As much as I'd love him to sign for the Toon or the Canaries it's unlikely either of those would meet our valuation or Bertie Big Bollox expectations.
He's painted himself into a corner though. His position is almost untenable due to his antics and, because we are doing ok without him, he has no real option but to go. If the only bids that come are from Toon and Norwich, then he will have little option.
6 months lumping his fat backside and petulant face round St. James', then relegated to the Championship. Wonder who's fault that would be??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 04, 2016, 03:54:51 PM
it's true his options seem to be diminishing - clubs aren't silly and can see he's seriously put on weight and has acted petulantly. That's a big no no for a Man U or similar sized clubs meaning his best bet is likely to be a second or third tier premier league team i.e. us!

What a fool he is...........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 04, 2016, 03:58:50 PM
Has he been driven down to the spuds car park yet?  :P :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 04, 2016, 04:17:46 PM
He's painted himself into a corner though. His position is almost untenable due to his antics and, because we are doing ok without him, he has no real option but to go. If the only bids that come are from Toon and Norwich, then he will have little option.
6 months lumping his fat backside and petulant face round St. James', then relegated to the Championship. Wonder who's fault that would be??

He could stay here, knuckle down and get himself back in the side. We are hardly blessed with many forward options. I agree we are doing OK without him starting but he's still played some part in all this. Imagine where we could be with him in the side scoring goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 04, 2016, 04:20:51 PM
He could stay here, knuckle down and get himself back in the side. We are hardly blessed with many forward options. I agree we are doing OK without him starting but he's still played some part in all this. Imagine where we could be with him in the side scoring goals.

I think he's finished here as a central striker irrespective of an improvement in attitude.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 04, 2016, 04:24:39 PM
He's never been able to play effectively as a lone striker and this is becoming by far the most used system in the game these days............if he was bothered - as a two up front, he would work very well with Harry Kane mind............provided he could get some much needed attention..........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 04, 2016, 04:55:19 PM
I still think that he will end up at a Chelsea but again as a squad filler, he wont get the game time he would have gotten here had he not thrown his toys out of the pram.

Either way I think his career could be over before it has begun

Players like Fletcher and Evans will more than likely warn off Utd about his attitude.

Its his attitude that has ruined him.

I wont lose any sleep over such an idiot anyway, we are doing more than ok without him.

It would be just desserts if he did end up at Newcastle and got relegated.....in the words of KK "I would love it"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on January 04, 2016, 10:40:04 PM
His ego would not cope moving to naarwich.  Might as well stay with us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 04, 2016, 10:51:21 PM
Certainly doesn't seem to be any sign of all the "big" clubs fighting over him so far. I wonder why?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 04, 2016, 10:57:33 PM
My prediction is that he will still be here on 1 February with no acceptable offer received (acceptable neither to us or to him), and that he will up going out on loan after another tantrum.

Either that or we will get an acceptable offer from Newcastle or Norwich which he will then reject.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 04, 2016, 10:58:33 PM
Certainly doesn't seem to be any sign of all the "big" clubs fighting over him so far. I wonder why?

A less than professional attitude and insufficient talent to compensate for it. 

There is no doubt he has to go, and while the Norwich rumour might be fanciful I am not sure he won't move to one of the lesser lights in the Premier League for a fee well below £20m. The option of letting his contract run down for the next 18 months if he is not playing runs the risk of him going for a real knock down price.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Throstletown on January 05, 2016, 06:34:37 AM
Goal scorer yes all round ability no, not worth figures being quoted and Ian Wrights quote he loves his mum sums him up a treat.

Has to grow up and improve his game, you get to the top by proving your ability son and his head and feet dont match up at the moment.
 
Big club in for him I doubt it, the only way he would of got that is if he had knuckled down and kept on scoring any scouting on him by a club would have to have been in Greggs by the size of him at the moment.

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 05, 2016, 06:53:28 AM
My prediction is that he will still be here on 1 February with no acceptable offer received (acceptable neither to us or to him), and that he will up going out on loan after another tantrum.

Either that or we will get an acceptable offer from Newcastle or Norwich which he will then reject.

I hope your wrong.
Pulis has been trying to get him through the door since last season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stoxman on January 05, 2016, 07:44:48 AM
I know. Its still early days I've seen his progress in the last two years. Very level headed lad well done to his mom and baggies backroom staff. Remember that Roy knows him and with work cup coming up?as a surprise pick like wallcott.regarding big Vic my mate is an everton fan up in lpool and he said that Vic was highly respected and didn't wat him to go.saido will sign and I think he could become a legend for us like Laurie.

I have just taken another look through the early posts in this thread.  The loans at Northampton, getting picked for U19s,  saying that Albion is all he has ever known and well done to everyone for making him feel at home.  Such a shame the way it's turned out...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on January 05, 2016, 10:07:52 AM
I have always said there are two sides to every story, i have no doubt Albion somewhere along the line got something wrong.

However similar to Odemwingie, the club didnt need to defend themselves because the players antics have made sure the player is the one who looks the idiot so even if the club did something wrong, nobody knows!

Fans and the general public dont have too much sympathy for young lads earning money we can only dream of for doing the best job in the world and when at times these players do stupid petulant things it dont help.

A lot of the stuff with Saido is rumour but there cant be that much smoke without fire, somewhere down the line he is making bad decisions. I think fans forgive that a bit if the player performs on the pitch but okay he scored a couple of goals earlier this season, but mainly this season since the spurs fiasco, he has done nothing for the team.

Now whether that is Pulis just wont pick him, or Saido is going through the motions, or more than likely a bit of both it means we have a potentially very good goalscorer sat on our bench doing nothing and losing value. Its a shame as he has shown he can score goals but i dont think he fits in with Pulis style so even if things were sorted, he would never get the chance to be the goalscorer he can be, he would have to do a wide role or something like he did when he took over last season, thats not having a pop at Pulis, its the way we play and everyone has to do their role else they dont play.

I think there is that much water under the bridge now, its best for both parties he moves on, think he will either become a last minute panic buy to be a bench filler for a big boy but end up being a Scott Sinclair type or end up at a Newcastle type, no top club will buy him as their main man at the moment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 05, 2016, 11:25:06 AM
I could still see him going to Spurs as an understudy/ bit part player. Initially, he might do ok too but I can't help thinking he'd have problems after the first year or so. He seems (I don't know him so it's just perception of course) very immature even for a 22 year old. For his sake, I think he needs to end up at a club he can feel he belongs to a group. I'm not sure a big club, especially one in the bright lights of London would be his best choice longer term. If I was advising him, I'd suggest he joins a mid-table premier club where he can play every week and be a star there - well he had that chance with us and messed it up but I'm sure others would still give him a shot at the moment. I don't feel sorry for him at all by the way. In spite of his horrendous early years, he has been blessed with talent and the opportunity to use that talent positively. It's now his choice how it goes from here. Perhaps the next two years will make or break him as a potentially top half premier league player........? Just hope, his transfer is concluded quickly so we can get one or two in quickly.........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 05, 2016, 11:42:18 AM
I hope your wrong.
Pulis has been trying to get him through the door since last season.

Pulis hasn't helped in that respect by making it public the other week that he was lucky to be on the bench for disciplinary reasons. I know any interested clubs can see it all for themselves and would be very careful about deciding if he's worth taking a risk on or not but our manager has gone from saying he's a good lad that needs protecting to hanging him out to dry and gone back to saying he's a young lad and everything is alright between them now when it clearly isn't.

I personally don't see a club being willing to offer what we would want for him now, I expect someone to make offers late on like Spurs did and leave us with no time to use any of the money if it were to be accepted. I hope I'm wrong but I can see him being noting but a bit part player for the remainder of his contract before he leaves when his contract ends with a fee decided by tribunal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on January 05, 2016, 12:18:55 PM
Suspect we may get a clue this weekend. I wouldnt expect to see him in the squad if he is on the move.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 05, 2016, 01:53:06 PM
Pulis hasn't helped in that respect by making it public the other week that he was lucky to be on the bench for disciplinary reasons. I know any interested clubs can see it all for themselves and would be very careful about deciding if he's worth taking a risk on or not but our manager has gone from saying he's a good lad that needs protecting to hanging him out to dry and gone back to saying he's a young lad and everything is alright between them now when it clearly isn't.

I personally don't see a club being willing to offer what we would want for him now, I expect someone to make offers late on like Spurs did and leave us with no time to use any of the money if it were to be accepted. I hope I'm wrong but I can see him being noting but a bit part player for the remainder of his contract before he leaves when his contract ends with a fee decided by tribunal.

I would imagine we will have to accept a low up front payment and the rest of the money liked to future club and country appearances and goals scored.
Pretty much the same payment terms that we refused at the start of the season.
I can't realistically see anybody offering big bucks for this Championship based on his recent behavior.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 05, 2016, 01:58:25 PM
I would imagine we will have to accept a low up front payment and the rest of the money liked to future club and country appearances and goals scored.
Pretty much the same payment terms that we refused at the start of the season.
I can't realistically see anybody offering big bucks for this Championship based on his recent behavior.

I understand why you say that, but, desperation drives irrational behaviour and their will be a number of desperate chairman around this month !
I can see him going to Palace TBH.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 05, 2016, 02:03:05 PM
I would imagine we will have to accept a low up front payment and the rest of the money liked to future club and country appearances and goals scored.
Pretty much the same payment terms that we refused at the start of the season.
I can't realistically see anybody offering big bucks for this Championship based on his recent behavior.

If that is the case then I can see the club being relatively happy to let his contract run down given he is earning peanuts compared to what he probably should be at this stage in his career. Him throwing his dummy out of the pram really could have seen him cost himself what could have been a great career as he could easily go down as one of the nearly men.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 05, 2016, 02:35:15 PM
If that is the case then I can see the club being relatively happy to let his contract run down given he is earning peanuts compared to what he probably should be at this stage in his career. Him throwing his dummy out of the pram really could have seen him cost himself what could have been a great career as he could easily go down as one of the nearly men.

Aren't we still entitled to compensation given his age at the end of his deal ? Liverpool had to fork out something ike £9m for Danny Ings I think last Summer even though he was out of contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 05, 2016, 02:50:24 PM
Yes mate mentioned it in the post before that it would go to tribunal once his contract ends. Not sure how they would work out the fee for him though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 05, 2016, 02:55:05 PM
Yes mate mentioned it in the post before that it would go to tribunal once his contract ends. Not sure how they would work out the fee for him though.

Sorry mate, I didn't read it  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 05, 2016, 04:00:38 PM
I would imagine we will have to accept a low up front payment and the rest of the money liked to future club and country appearances and goals scored.
Pretty much the same payment terms that we refused at the start of the season.
I can't realistically see anybody offering big bucks for this Championship based on his recent behavior.

I agree which makes it even more frustrating that we didn't move him on in the summer. I can see us selling on the last day of the window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 05, 2016, 04:05:23 PM
I still think we could see a Jeremy special, I reckon Spurs and Liverpool will be in with him and we'll get around £15-20M
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 05, 2016, 04:09:38 PM
Don't see why we would have to accept low up front payments. If it goes to tribunal then we may not get as much in terms of addons but we will get decent up front payment.

Theres no guarantee what he will do at internationl level so is it worth risking taking the chance on addons ??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 05, 2016, 04:24:08 PM
With regard to the tribunal there are all sorts of factors which they take into account but had Saido's contract expired last summer there is every reason to believe we would have got a fee similar to the one Danny Ings went to Liverpool for, which was around £8m.

However Ings an England under 21 International was a regular starter and goal scorer in the Premier League when he moved as Saido was. Unfortunately with another 18 months of this Saido will be a bit part player at a Premier League club and he might not be even moving to another Premier League side. Or even worse he could move abroad and the tribunal rules would simply not apply.

Quite simply we have to sell this window or next. The fee is not going to be anything like what we would have hoped for but it still could be more than Spurs were guaranteeing to pay. However I no longer trust Berahino's temperament to be confident that he will do well enough to trigger any add-on's in a deal so we need to get as much up front as is possible  and be done with him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 05, 2016, 05:54:30 PM
The way I see this whole thing is we have put on a one pound accumulator and are waiting for the last leg. I would not cash out. Berahino has cost us only what we've paid him. I'd take losing the pound if it made an example of him and Tottenham. £25 million or take our chances with the tribunal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 05, 2016, 07:30:54 PM
The way I see this whole thing is we have put on a one pound accumulator and are waiting for the last leg. I would not cash out. Berahino has cost us only what we've paid him. I'd take losing the pound if it made an example of him and Tottenham. £25 million or take our chances with the tribunal.

That is exactly what Peace will do, and I don't blame him. It's worth losing out on a few million to set a precedent that will protect our assets in the future.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 05, 2016, 08:01:48 PM
The way I see this whole thing is we have put on a one pound accumulator and are waiting for the last leg. I would not cash out. Berahino has cost us only what we've paid him. I'd take losing the pound if it made an example of him and Tottenham. £25 million or take our chances with the tribunal.

Ings went for about £9m at the tribunal, there's no way a tribunal would give us anything like what we (the fans) are expecting. ie £25m
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 05, 2016, 08:10:24 PM
Ings went for about £9m at the tribunal, there's no way a tribunal would give us anything like what we (the fans) are expecting. ie £25m

Agreed.  I suspect we would only get £10m but we might only get that anyway if the likes of Norwich are the only buyers so have little to lose by running down his contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 05, 2016, 09:24:23 PM
Agreed.  I suspect we would only get £10m but we might only get that anyway if the likes of Norwich are the only buyers so have little to lose by running down his contract.
In the scenario where we don't sell him and it goes to tribunal, if he has hardly played any first team football for us during that time, we would do well to get £4 or 5 million, absolute tops. At the minute, he is only a peripheral part of Pulis's plans, he is overweight, he is coming in late for training and meetings, and none of this looks likely to change any time soon. Who in their right senses would pay £20 million plus for him? Even if they are desperate, it is a hell of a punt. And if no-one buys him, and he continues as present, his value will have plummeted. He will not be Berahino the great young talent any more, he will be Berahino the bell end who wasted his career.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 06, 2016, 12:23:26 AM
This window might open bigheads eyes if no one is interested in him, his attitude has been appalling and wouldn't it be great if he runs back to JP with his tail between his legs and begs forgiveness or spuds will come in with same offer on last day of window as last deadline
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 06, 2016, 11:14:49 AM
It's difficult to see how any EPL chairman would want to pay more than £10million cash for a player who is not playing regularly. IMO the likely scenario is a structured offer, which means that we wouldn't have the funds available to replace him.

From Saido's point of view, surely, it's in his interests to ensure he's visible for selection for the England Euro's squad, If selected, he could put himself in the shop window for a number of European, as well as our own EPL teams.

On that basis, I could see Saido staying with us to the end of the season.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 06, 2016, 11:16:30 AM
It's difficult to see how any EPL chairman would want to pay more than £10million cash for a player who is not playing regularly. IMO the likely scenario is a structured offer, which means that we wouldn't have the funds available to replace him.

From Saido's point of view, surely, it's in his interests to ensure he's visible for selection for the England Euro's squad, If selected, he could put himself in the shop window for a number of European, as well as our own EPL teams.

On that basis, I could see Saido staying with us to the end of the season.

sadly this hasn't been the case so far.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 06, 2016, 11:18:39 AM
From Saido's point of view, surely, it's in his interests to ensure he's visible for selection for the England Euro's squad, If selected, he could put himself in the shop window for a number of European, as well as our own EPL teams.


He's either thick as pig rubbish or he's being very badly advised as that is exactly how he should have handled himself since the summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 06, 2016, 11:35:10 AM
Berahino has ignored or cannot see the very obvious benefits of knuckling down and delivering the goods here since August and in the process probably inebriated off Pulis who now feels disinclined to play him in any event. I cannot see any benefit in keeping him here other than to prove a point to a stroppy young man.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 06, 2016, 11:37:32 AM
Agreed.  I suspect we would only get £10m but we might only get that anyway if the likes of Norwich are the only buyers so have little to lose by running down his contract.

Norwich bid 12million+ for Afobe, so I would imagine they would be willing to part with at least 15 million for Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2016, 11:52:29 AM
I will be astounded if he becomes a Norwich City footballer, i want him gone though
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 06, 2016, 11:53:47 AM
He is not going to Norwich.

Was the rumour made up by a 2 year old ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 06, 2016, 12:03:30 PM
Have I missed an actual link to Norwich or are people misreading posts on here?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 06, 2016, 12:20:19 PM
Have I missed an actual link to Norwich or are people misreading posts on here?

the only thing I can find is this rumour. Very vague.

http://readnorwich.com/2016/01/04/norwich-interested-west-brom-outcast/?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 06, 2016, 12:29:30 PM
The usually reliable John Percy of the Telegraph mentioned Norwich's interest

" Saido Berahino's future remains uncertain with Newcastle and Norwich understood to be showing tentative interest along with Tottenham Hotspur. "

in the following article

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/12080038/Arsenal-transfer-news-Serge-Gnabry-recalled-from-West-Brom-loan-spell.html?wb48617274=5A27D1B1

Percy is thought to be close to Pulis so it can't be completely pie in the sky stuff, that said a tentative interest could mean anything really.....e.g. "we like Saido but can't afford or or don't like his attitude enough to sign him"...........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 06, 2016, 12:35:40 PM
The usually reliable John Percy of the Telegraph mentioned Norwich's interest

" Saido Berahino's future remains uncertain with Newcastle and Norwich understood to be showing tentative interest along with Tottenham Hotspur. "

in the following article

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/12080038/Arsenal-transfer-news-Serge-Gnabry-recalled-from-West-Brom-loan-spell.html?wb48617274=5A27D1B1

Percy is thought to be close to Pulis so it can't be completely pie in the sky stuff, that said a tentative interest could mean anything really.....e.g. "we like Saido but can't afford or or don't like his attitude enough to sign him"...........

Not sure how close to Pulis Percy actually is. The article states that Gnabry has had his loan cancelled whereas todays Brummie mail says it's not a done deal yet. I posted a link in the Gnabry section.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 06, 2016, 12:53:05 PM
I'm sure Pulis is experienced enough to only feed the press messages he wants them to hear! It's a time of year where you can't always trust what clubs come out with because they might have ulterior motives e.g. if Spurs think others are interested it might 1) make them hurry up and 2) offer a better price?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on January 06, 2016, 04:43:02 PM
Hardly rushed off our feet refusing offers for Berahimo are we?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 07, 2016, 06:27:29 AM
Hardly rushed off our feet refusing offers for Berahimo are we?

No.
7 days in you would have expected Spuds to have sent in a snatch squad by now wouldn't you.
I wonder how this will affect 'The Stupid One's' mind set?

Spuds now questioning his behavior!

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-transfer-news-spurs-worried-saido-berahino-would-disrupt-squad-spirit-a3150771.html?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 07, 2016, 02:12:32 PM
So far, it does look like one way or another Saido is going to have to go on a diet and get back in training with a view to staying with us at least for the rest of the season in order to get his career back on track again.

If nothing else, he needs to prove to other clubs he has the professionalism to do it. We'd be crazy to let him go for a silly offer (if Townsend is +10m then Saido is still around +20m considering his age and goal record so far).

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on January 07, 2016, 02:15:11 PM
 What do we do with him if nobody wants him, i guess the answer is with him he will have to realise that his attitude has made him unsellable and he can either drift into oblivion or knuckle down and show some maturity.
 The ball is in his court.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 07, 2016, 03:22:50 PM
Not sure how close to Pulis Percy actually is. The article states that Gnabry has had his loan cancelled whereas todays Brummie mail says it's not a done deal yet. I posted a link in the Gnabry section.
Yes I’m not sure  how close Percy is to Pulis,  Percy does seem very on the ball with all things Albion but he was putting out reliable info well before Pulis’s appointment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dubliner on January 07, 2016, 03:40:58 PM
I rate Percy as easily the best hack covering the club these days. For comparison check this out in the Times from Steve Madeley formerly of the E&S. Pulis would like specialist full backs? Really?

Tony Pulis would like to add specialist full backs, a central midfielder and quick wide players in addition to an extra goalscorer, with Saido Berahino’s future still uncertain
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on January 07, 2016, 04:56:27 PM
He will start or have some involvement on Saturday I think, therefore being cuptied. If we are looking at value, that won't help.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 07, 2016, 05:01:44 PM
He will start or have some involvement on Saturday I think, therefore being cuptied. If we are looking at value, that won't help.

Might not matter  :).

Spurs are at home to Leicester in the Cup on Sunday, and then at home to them again in the League on the Wednesday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/fixtures (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/fixtures)

Weakened teams anyone?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 07, 2016, 07:20:37 PM
i'd love it if we sold him to naaaarwich for £10m. see how he likes it in tractorland....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 07, 2016, 07:33:59 PM
i'd love it if we sold him to naaaarwich for £10m. see how he likes it in tractorland....

I wouldn't, worth far more. How much did Norwich bid for Afobe?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 07, 2016, 10:42:40 PM
Man Utd sniffing according to the Daily Mail tonight

http://readwestbrom.com/2016/01/07/manchester-united-considering-move-wba-striker/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 07, 2016, 10:49:39 PM
 And also Stoke according to the Guardian

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/07/stoke-city-west-brom-saido-berahino-mark-hughes-tony-pulis
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 07, 2016, 10:54:32 PM
John Percy has just tweeted that Stoke are considering an offer.  He's usually on the ball. 

Could well be something about to happen.  I suspect Stoke are resigned to losing one or more of their main strikers
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 07, 2016, 10:56:03 PM
John Percy has just tweeted that Stoke are considering an offer.  He's usually on the ball. 

Could well be something about to happen.  I suspect Stoke are resigned to losing one or more of their main strikers

Here's the link

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/stoke-city/12087642/.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 07, 2016, 11:09:13 PM
This gets funnier by the minute on the one hand the Mail links Berahino with United in an Article that name checks about a dozen players from Austin to Neymar. The gist of it is they will sign Berahino to tide them over to the summer when they will land Bale and or Neymar. If their thinking on transfers is as chaotic as implied by the article they might just be stupid enough to spend £25m on Saido as a stop gap.

Meanwhile back in the real world a more realistic prospect of an opportunistic bid from Stoke emerges which needs to be viewed in the light of the fact that contract negotiations with Arnautovic have stalled with the two sides miles apart.

On balance I think Stoke is more likely but I wouldn't hold by breath over either. 


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adamstv on January 07, 2016, 11:46:49 PM
This gets funnier by the minute on the one hand the Mail links Berahino with United in an Article that name checks about a dozen players from Austin to Neymar. The gist of it is they will sign Berahino to tide them over to the summer when they will land Bale and or Neymar. If their thinking on transfers is as chaotic as implied by the article they might just be stupid enough to spend £25m on Saido as a stop gap.

Meanwhile back in the real world a more realistic prospect of an opportunistic bid from Stoke emerges which needs to be viewed in the light of the fact that contract negotiations with Arnautovic have stalled with the two sides miles apart.


On balance I think Stoke is more likely but I wouldn't hold by breath over either.


Good post and pretty on the ball IMO
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 08, 2016, 12:37:29 AM
This gets funnier by the minute on the one hand the Mail links Berahino with United in an Article that name checks about a dozen players from Austin to Neymar. The gist of it is they will sign Berahino to tide them over to the summer when they will land Bale and or Neymar. If their thinking on transfers is as chaotic as implied by the article they might just be stupid enough to spend £25m on Saido as a stop gap.

Meanwhile back in the real world a more realistic prospect of an opportunistic bid from Stoke emerges which needs to be viewed in the light of the fact that contract negotiations with Arnautovic have stalled with the two sides miles apart.

On balance I think Stoke is more likely but I wouldn't hold by breath over either.

The fact that John Percy is the journo gives the Stoke link some credibility.   Man United are in goal scoring strife and anything is possible there!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on January 08, 2016, 12:49:48 AM
I can't see Mr World Beater wanting to move to Stoke!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 08, 2016, 06:19:56 AM
I can't see Mr World Beater wanting to move to Stoke!


He would be good company for his mate Pete
I also read that Spuds are looking to sell Townsend, rather than loan him, for a fee of £14m.
The same figure that, according to the Mail, Levy values the stupid one at.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 08, 2016, 09:08:32 AM
Maybe we could just swap Townsend for Berahino. Both clubs get rid of their problem child and Levy and Peace can say the deal was worth whatever figure they like therefore saving face all round.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 08, 2016, 09:15:54 AM
I could see Saido going to Stoke and they'd pay a fair wack as they do like a big transfer fee. He'd also get a wage to keep him happy for a while whilst not being far from his mommy so I could see it happening. I could also see Crouch or Walters being part of the deal to tide us over until the end of the season..............leaving us to spend on midfield and a winger?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 08, 2016, 09:32:14 AM
As amusing as the Norwich, Newcastle and Stoke links/rumours are, I can't see him wanting to go to any of those clubs as I firmly believe that he thinks a top side will come in for him. Sadly I think he will still be here at the end of the window without any firm offer from a "big" side.

Hopefully then the penny will drop that he needs to start performing to win a decent move....I won't be holding my breath though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 08, 2016, 09:44:03 AM
come through our ranks since he was 10, his now potential on the pitch, why the f--k would he go to stoke or Norwich. Not a chance Stokies so stop creaming
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on January 08, 2016, 09:57:57 AM
come through our ranks since he was 10, his now potential on the pitch, why the f--k would he go to stoke or Norwich. Not a chance Stokies so stop creaming

On the other hand 15m + Walters would be interesting.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 08, 2016, 10:02:59 AM
There comes a point where neither player nor the club are benefiting from not doing a deal. There is no doubt Berahino has to leave and if Stoke or another mid-table team is the only option I think he will go. The question then is what price? We are not going to get anything like £10m for him at tribunal if it comes to that and nothing at all if he moves abroad.

Unless he is playing the bigger clubs will not be remotely interested and the plain fact is he's not being played so we really are not going to be in a better position in the summer rather than we are now. My guess is something in the £10m to £15m range plus add on's and a sell on clause.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 08, 2016, 10:06:19 AM
If Stoke come up with the money then they can have him.

Quality player but when he realises no one but a mid table club will take a punt on him due to his attitude then maybe he will just stay here. If he goes to Stoke he will be a laughing stock in football
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 08, 2016, 10:13:04 AM
On the other hand 15m + Walters would be interesting.

I'd snap their hand off for that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: JDWest_Brom on January 08, 2016, 10:16:02 AM
Make it £20m plus Walters or £15m plus Marc Wilson. The Stoke move would be great for Berahino, playing in front of Shaqiri, Affellay, Bojan or Arnautovic he would get a lot of chances you would think. Then he might get a move to a big club if he bangs them in there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 08, 2016, 10:28:37 AM
Make it £20m plus Walters or £15m plus Marc Wilson. The Stoke move would be great for Berahino, playing in front of Shaqiri, Affellay, Bojan or Arnautovic he would get a lot of chances you would think. Then he might get a move to a big club if he bangs them in there.

I thought he wanted a big move? No disrespect to Stoke but it shows how shallow he is if he goes there..........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 08, 2016, 10:36:19 AM
I thought he wanted a big move? No disrespect to Stoke but it shows how shallow he is if he goes there..........
He's painted himself into a corner though. His antics have alienated the fans, lost him his place in, not only our side, but also the England squad. He can't stay here without a great deal of grovelling and backtracking and that just isn't in his nature. I honestly think he will pi$$ his career up the wall and couldn't care less where he does it as long as it's not here. He's not a kid anymore, so the chances of him growing up and realising how lucky he is are dwindling rapidly. Will always be a spoilt little brat who thinks he is better than he is.
Get as much as we can and send him on his way.
Personally, I hope he fails miserably.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DaveWBA on January 08, 2016, 10:37:01 AM
If anyone deserves the misery of having to move to and work in Stoke its Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on January 08, 2016, 11:16:39 AM
To be honest if we do sell the snake in the grass it should be to one of the so-called 'bigger clubs'. Newcastle, Stoke and Norwich are our 'real' competitors at the moment and Saido would improve them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 08, 2016, 11:27:51 AM
TP has just stated in press conference that we've had 5 enquiries.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 08, 2016, 12:02:33 PM
Will he feature tomorrow i wonder

5 enquires but no bids
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on January 08, 2016, 12:23:43 PM
TP has just stated in press conference that we've had 5 enquiries.
Hope there will be a bidding war and then we can sell him around 25m .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 08, 2016, 12:29:55 PM
Sounds like that's what Pulis is trying to instigate. How many of us have sold a house and said "there's been lots of interest" in the hope it makes the person looking move quickly!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 08, 2016, 12:30:40 PM
I'm with Standaman on this one, there is no way JP is going to keep a declining asset (value) on the books and effectively pay it to erode further.

There will be a lot of grandstanding about how valued SB is, how he is key to the clubs plans ......, The suitors will either fall by the wayside or compete but ultimately JP will sell during this window.

JP knows prices are highest in Jan, hence our reluctance to spend in Jan
JP knows that once the window closes SB's value is dropping weekly
JP will be livid to have to keep paying the lad for effectively snubbing JP and the club

This can only end one way. IMO.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 08, 2016, 12:37:22 PM
The 5 are

1. Stoke City seem to be generally acknowledged as one
2. Spurs probably have stuck their toe back in the water only to have it nipped by the bald headed crab
3. Liverpool tired of waiting for Sturridge perhaps ?
4. United need a striker but who knows what's going on there
5. Newcastle have been linked in the past need to strengthen

None of it makes much difference until someone shows Peace the money.

Will he feature tomorrow? He'll probably will go back into he's head isn't right mode for the rest of the month. If there is no move will sulk through February and might get his backside out on the pitch sometime in March.

You might gather I've done with him.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 08, 2016, 01:40:39 PM
I'd snap their hand off for that.

Not for me. We don't need any more old players to add to our 'Dad's army'. We need to replace Berahino with a similar type of player. We desperately need more pace up front.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 08, 2016, 02:05:23 PM
Would be great if we could get rid of SB and use the money to get Townsend and Austin in. Now that would be good business.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 08, 2016, 02:50:31 PM
Would be great if we could get rid of SB and use the money to get Townsend and Austin in. Now that would be good business.
Ha ha, wouldn't it just. But that would be valuing the fat and unmotivated one at around £29 million, and I can't think of any top flight chairmen who are certifiably insane, so your dream is on the unlikely side of never going to happen
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 08, 2016, 02:55:17 PM
I bet JP's got his poker face on waiting for Spuds contact.
If the stupid one goes I can't see the move being done until the very end of the transfer window.
Last minute shinanigans again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 08, 2016, 03:05:39 PM
Spurs are doing well this season without Berahino so they're not desperate - especially for someone who'd take at least a month to lose weight and get back on track.

If I were them I'd leave it until the last couple of days and try my luck again in the knowledge his price is only going down - unlike his waist line!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 08, 2016, 04:04:10 PM
Personally, I would absolutely love it and find it hilarious if we sold him to a Stoke or Norwich. On one hand, I really want for a Man Utd or Spurs to come in and stump up the mega money to sign him, but on the other hand, the attitude off the odious little...person has made this about more than just money now, I would love to see him forced to take a sideways/backwards move all of his own making because none of the larger clubs will come in for him.

Even with all that Odemwingie did, I didn't dislike him as much as I do young Saido. There is just nothing affable about Berahino, he is just a spoilt, petulant, unpleasant individual.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 09, 2016, 10:53:15 AM
If Afobeis 10m having never played premier league then Betahino at least 18-20m?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 09, 2016, 11:00:40 AM
If Afobeis 10m having never played premier league then Betahino at least 18-20m?

In theory yes, but which one is most likely to produce the goods in second half of this season?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on January 09, 2016, 11:13:25 AM
Personally, I would absolutely love it and find it hilarious if we sold him to a Stoke or Norwich. On one hand, I really want for a Man Utd or Spurs to come in and stump up the mega money to sign him, but on the other hand, the attitude off the odious little...person has made this about more than just money now, I would love to see him forced to take a sideways/backwards move all of his own making because none of the larger clubs will come in for him.

Even with all that Odemwingie did, I didn't dislike him as much as I do young Saido. There is just nothing affable about Berahino, he is just a spoilt, petulant, unpleasant individual.
Affable is a fantastic word - over the years, Joey Mayo, Igor, Jonny Greening, players like that who weren't right at the top end skill wise but did their jobs; even Lambert gets a a sigh for his plodding rather than vitriol because he is so obviously affable.  People you could imagine going for a pint with.   Not really Saido, is it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 09, 2016, 04:22:18 PM
Now officially cup tied then...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on January 09, 2016, 05:00:13 PM
Now officially cup tied then...

He's still available for the Premier League and European competitions. Can't see the FA Cup making much difference to the teams looking at him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 09, 2016, 05:03:54 PM
He's still available for the Premier League and European competitions. Can't see the FA Cup making much difference to the teams looking at him.

If he joins a 'BIG' club they would be the only games he will get in reality
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on January 09, 2016, 05:08:26 PM
If he joins a 'BIG' club they would be the only games he will get in reality

Yeah you're probably right. I was thinking about Spurs who are the favourites to sign him at the moment. Their priorities will be Top 4 > Europa League > FA Cup. They play Leicester tomorrow so there's a good chance they could be out themselves.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on January 09, 2016, 06:19:44 PM
He will still be here come Feb
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 09, 2016, 06:54:56 PM
I reckon he'll end up at palace, where he could do really well being fed by Zaha and Bolasie
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on January 09, 2016, 06:58:40 PM
It was good to see him celebrate his goal with tone and most of the team, turned over a new leaf?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on January 09, 2016, 07:05:25 PM
Showed again today........still our only goalscorer in the squad.
None of our other so called strikers seem to know where the net is so if he goes it will take a lot to replace him.
Those that want him out at any cost need to start coming up with serious and realistic replacements for his goals.
Make no mistake - both Rondon and Lambert were appalling against poor opposition. Maybe as poor a duo as we have seen playing together in the last decade or so considering the opponents?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on January 09, 2016, 07:05:59 PM
Apparently not, just won a bet ...

http://mobile.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/810594968?-11200:789
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 09, 2016, 07:34:39 PM
A "gentlemans'" agreement.
Lets' hope that will will now move on and become a gentleman, who will honour his contract with the club.
I.E.  Put all personal feeling behind him and concentrate on doing his job to the best of his ability.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 09, 2016, 10:00:23 PM
A "gentlemans'" agreement.
Lets' hope that will will now move on and become a gentleman, who will honour his contract with the club.
I.E.  Put all personal feeling behind him and concentrate on doing his job to the best of his ability.

You do realise that to honour his contract with the club means that he leaves as a free agent at the end of the 2016/7 season and we just get the Academy compensation fee? I would think that's exactly what the club doesn't want !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 09, 2016, 10:03:10 PM
He could also sign the new contract (saying that, I think one has been offered) and then honour the new contract .
It may even contain a release clause for him.
Best of all worlds for him and the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 09, 2016, 10:19:31 PM
He could also sign the new contract (saying that, I think one has been offered) and then honour the new contract .
It may even contain a release clause for him.
Best of all worlds for him and the club.

I agree, but I think the potential new contract was shelved when he got done for drink driving and hasn't been re-offered because he is so determined to leave.  A new contract with a healthy pay rise and a £20m or £25m release clause should be a win/win for all parties but it sticks in the throat to think of him getting a pay rise after his behaviour over the past 6 months
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on January 09, 2016, 10:46:41 PM
Looks like we're going to be offered £10 mill plus townsend according to a couple of papers. I'd take that and try and sign andre gray as a replacement
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aztech on January 09, 2016, 10:52:10 PM
Looks like we're going to be offered £10 mill plus townsend according to a couple of papers. I'd take that and try and sign andre gray as a replacement

Unlikely in my opinion.

If it did happen it wouldn't be long before Townsend gets dropped, as i can't see him working within the expected team shape.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 09, 2016, 10:53:19 PM
I think the club would reject that bid yet again.

I don't think we'd accept anything less than 15m cash.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on January 09, 2016, 11:04:16 PM
Unlikely in my opinion.

If it did happen it wouldn't be long before Townsend gets dropped, as i can't see him working within the expected team shape.

I think he'd fit in. Hodgson loves him and he sets up teams like pulis
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 09, 2016, 11:04:59 PM
Looks like we're going to be offered £10 mill plus townsend according to a couple of papers. I'd take that and try and sign andre gray as a replacement
don't see us getting a better offer if there's any truth in it. but saido is the only goal scorer at the club and we would still need a replacement striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 10, 2016, 04:21:24 AM
don't see us getting a better offer if there's any truth in it. but saido is the only goal scorer at the club and we would still need a replacement striker.

I doubt whether we would be able to find a decent striker this window but we are not playing Berahino anyway so we would get more goals from Townsend.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 10, 2016, 03:33:34 PM
Interesting article about a bid from Newcastle

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3392548/Newcastle-club-record-summer-bid-West-Brom-star-Saido-Berhaino-remains-table.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 10, 2016, 03:47:00 PM
I am convinced that we will see some increased activity this week.  Spurs, Newcastle, Stoke, Man United, Liverpool, Palace, Norwich and Everton have all been linked in the past two weeks.   Some links are clearly lazy journalism and some are unrealistic, but in all probability an element of competition between buyers should elevate the sale price to nearer £25m than £20m.

Spurs seem most likely (either cash or Townsend plus cash) but I think Man United, Liverpool and Newcastle could all be possibilities with a cash deal which might be enough to tempt Peace and Pulis.    The key could well be whether Pulis wants Townsend plus say £12m cash, or whether he prefers cash only and so could buy Philips for £7m, leaving more to spend in other areas of the squad.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 10, 2016, 05:21:17 PM
Watching Sunday Supplement this morning and they were discussing Sturridge and how despite his issues and fitness problems a top club would still spend big money on him as he is a proven finisher.  I think some are selling Berahino short. He has acted like a tit over the last six months and will go with some baggage. Whilst I am not comparing his talent to that of Balotelli or Suarez,  clubs will ignore the other stuff if they think he will score them goals. He clearly does this, and he does it for West Brom a club not recently known for attacking prowess, so some mugs will spend serious money for him.
I really can not see him going to Tottenham  (or anyone else) for less than we turned down in the summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: palmaroy on January 10, 2016, 09:42:48 PM
I notice he is 2/5 on to go to Newcastle(interesting)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 10, 2016, 10:09:57 PM
I notice he is 2/5 on to go to Newcastle(interesting)

Not really - they seem to be the only ones who claim to have made any sort of offer to date
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 10, 2016, 10:12:42 PM
I notice he is 2/5 on to go to Newcastle(interesting)

Strange Spurs are still favorites to be his next club with Paddy Power but Newcastle are second favorites at 2/1. The prices you quoted are club after January which is a different bet if you think that he's going to Newcastle then take the 2/1 from PP. It looks like Sky Bet have taken a biggish bet on Newcastle wouldn't read too much into it.

On the subject of the fee I saw a report that said Newcastle made an £18m bid during the summer and it was still on the table. It might sound strange but if that is straight cash it might be worth more than Spurs bid that was valued above £20m but included a lot of add-on's.

Given Berahino's suspect temperament I would as much of the fee agreed as cash as possible and as little as possible as add on's. With regard to fee to get above £20m a player has to go to Liverpool, Man United, Chelsea , Spurs, Arsenal or one of the top 5 or 6 European sides. Without interest from one or more of those teams we are not going to get £20m.

I fear we will have to just cut the best deal we can this window and be done with it.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 10, 2016, 10:29:04 PM
Only one of our strikers who knows where the net is. Unless it's stupid money and in plenty of time for us to find replacement- no deal
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 10, 2016, 10:52:40 PM
Only one of our strikers who knows where the net is. Unless it's stupid money and in plenty of time for us to find replacement- no deal

It's never bothered Jeremy in the past.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 10, 2016, 11:58:48 PM
Strange Spurs are still favorites to be his next club with Paddy Power but Newcastle are second favorites at 2/1. The prices you quoted are club after January which is a different bet if you think that he's going to Newcastle then take the 2/1 from PP. It looks like Sky Bet have taken a biggish bet on Newcastle wouldn't read too much into it.

On the subject of the fee I saw a report that said Newcastle made an £18m bid during the summer and it was still on the table. It might sound strange but if that is straight cash it might be worth more than Spurs bid that was valued above £20m but included a lot of add-on's.

Given Berahino's suspect temperament I would as much of the fee agreed as cash as possible and as little as possible as add on's. With regard to fee to get above £20m a player has to go to Liverpool, Man United, Chelsea , Spurs, Arsenal or one of the top 5 or 6 European sides. Without interest from one or more of those teams we are not going to get £20m.

I fear we will have to just cut the best deal we can this window and be done with it.

Probably from Mike Ashley!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 11, 2016, 11:58:18 AM
Only one of our strikers who knows where the net is. Unless it's stupid money and in plenty of time for us to find replacement- no deal

A replacement? We are talking about the Albion here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion07 on January 11, 2016, 05:51:53 PM
Sh1te like Grabban being sold for £8 million surely means Berahino is worth £25 million + especially in the january transfer window?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 12, 2016, 06:39:30 AM
According to that font of all knowledge, The Star, he only want's to play for spuds.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/486951/Liverpool-Transfer-News-Gossip
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on January 12, 2016, 10:00:24 AM
According to that font of all knowledge, The Star, he only want's to play for spuds.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/486951/Liverpool-Transfer-News-Gossip

Well if they pay they can have him! And not at the last minute...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on January 12, 2016, 10:07:23 AM
Sh1te like Grabban being sold for £8 million surely means Berahino is worth £25 million + especially in the january transfer window?

Agreed, not sure why they've paid that much
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 12, 2016, 10:54:59 AM
Bournemouth have over paid on a number of deals Mings in the summer Grabban and to some extent Afobe although that isn't too bad given he does have some potential to improve.

Berahino is in theory a class apart from Grabban younger with a far greater upside than him which is why the £20m+ being mentioned is not unreasonable. However once you get to that figure there are only a handful of clubs that will go there and if there is no interest from those clubs then the next layer down the likes of Newcastle Stoke etc.. will not go beyond that figure £20m. The only club other than the top 6 that have gone beyond £20m is Everton when they bought in Lukaku albeit a couple of seasons ago but let's face it Saido is no Lukaku. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on January 12, 2016, 02:53:48 PM
No way will JP be stitched up by a combination of SB and Levy, both intent on getting their own way at Albion's expense. I can see an impasse happening again where everyone is a loser, and SB's antics in the last 6 months could soon pale into comparison if he does not get his own way, strike action being just one one on the cards. I think JP may well be prepared to let his contract run out and risk a tribunial fee to get his point across which could end up hurting Albion big time. TP will not be amused.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 12, 2016, 04:01:50 PM
Not sure if release clauses are always the right way, sometime they can end up costing you if they're value skyrockets for whatever reason, would have to be 25/30 million minimum for it to be worthwhile for us. I know it sounds pie in the sky but stranger things have happened..

All you can do is agree a release value which both parties are happy with at that time. I suspect £25m would be a figure we are happy with. If he suddenly becomes worth £40m after signing it then that's a risk we take but we will have secured £25m rather than potentially just what a tribunal might decide as a value in 18 months time.  We can't have it all ways.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 12, 2016, 04:31:16 PM
All you can do is agree a release value which both parties are happy with at that time.

And a sell on clause.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 12, 2016, 05:51:48 PM
And a sell on clause.

Very true
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on January 12, 2016, 09:16:06 PM
This is going to sound rubbish, but, I wish he'd just go. Thing is are we going to get the cash? Admittedly he carried last season. This he's shown other clubs he's a petulant little turd. whose disruptive in the dressing room. Now it only a move to Spurs **** OFF seriously. I'm a disabled supporter, so, he makes more now at ours a week, than I see in my lifetime. I don't begrudge anybody doing it just don't make you're contempt so obvious
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 12, 2016, 09:37:09 PM
This is going to sound rubbish, but, I wish he'd just go. Thing is are we going to get the cash? Admittedly he carried last season. This he's shown other clubs he's a petulant little turd. whose disruptive in the dressing room. Now it only a move to Spurs **** OFF seriously. I'm a disabled supporter, so, he makes more now at ours a week, than I see in my lifetime. I don't begrudge anybody doing it just don't make you're contempt so obvious

If he wants to personally fund the difference between what we would find acceptable and what Spurs are willing to pay then he can go there.  I suspect that's the only way it will happen.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 12, 2016, 10:56:34 PM
Morning papers reporting Chelsea are getting a bid ready.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 12, 2016, 11:16:30 PM
Morning papers reporting Chelsea are getting a bid ready.

Let's hope so.....mind you Costa, Fabregas and Berahino in the same dressing room doesn't bear thinking about!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darby009 on January 13, 2016, 02:00:05 PM
It does,,,, I would imagine that Costa would give him twice as hard a slap in comparison to the one mozza gave him lol 😀👊
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on January 13, 2016, 05:14:35 PM
In purely footballing terms Costa and Berahino would be a hell of a pairing!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 13, 2016, 09:47:35 PM
Sorry, but I really hope he stays..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dan7heman on January 13, 2016, 09:52:04 PM
Spurs draw a blank tonight...await the bid tomorrow.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jim68 on January 14, 2016, 09:18:23 AM
Morning papers reporting Chelsea are getting a bid ready.
hope so more likely to get higher price  then  try and tempt part ex with remy [ knows where the net is] before the seals snap him up  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 14, 2016, 09:22:00 AM
Spurs draw a blank tonight...await the bid tomorrow.

Think they'll wait and see how the land lies with bids from other clubs.
If we don't get any bids in from other clubs I think they will wait until 30th Jan before making a lowish bid and then gradually increasing it but not to a level that we will find acceptable....just like in the Summer...with the same outcome.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 14, 2016, 09:52:18 AM
Just heard th Moose say stoke have made a bid
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 14, 2016, 10:19:07 AM
Will probably remain our player until the last day and leave for around 18million plus add ons.

 Leaving us no time to get a replacement.

Its the Albion way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 14, 2016, 10:24:59 AM
Sorry, but I really hope he stays..

So do I, at least until the end of this season. I just can't see us getting anybody as good, that's why he's allegedly being sought after.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on January 14, 2016, 10:29:54 AM
Will probably remain our player until the last day and leave for around 18million plus add ons.

 Leaving us no time to get a replacement.

Its the Albion way.
     like we did in the Summer.? Give the club some credit
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on January 14, 2016, 06:20:28 PM
Can't see the issue with him being sold. We're getting very little from him, so why keep him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on January 14, 2016, 06:56:59 PM
we really need to sell him this month to be able to sign players but i cant see anybody bidding so no signings for us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 14, 2016, 07:06:00 PM
He won't take much off the wage limit though. We need to get rid of the likes of poco Gamboa. One of the goalkeepers. Betahino 15k a week won't give us much to offer new signings
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on January 14, 2016, 07:26:58 PM
Can't see the issue with him being sold. We're getting very little from him, so why keep him?

Because he is our best player and it showed last week in the cup, everyone struggling to get a shot away and get it on target then he comes on and first chance bang 1-0. He's a cracking finisher, as I keep saying just wish he could grow up a little.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on January 14, 2016, 10:26:09 PM
If we do sell, and remember he is our only natural goalscorer, then I hope we do an exchange deal to get a goalscorer coming our way. I even wouldn't mind Jonathan Walters plus cash. He always seems to score against us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on January 14, 2016, 10:31:09 PM
Good finisher and a natural goalscorer but he has hardly played for weeks and we are doing just fine. Cash in and reinvest in other areas, including another striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 14, 2016, 10:38:25 PM
If we do sell, and remember he is our only natural goalscorer, then I hope we do an exchange deal to get a goalscorer coming our way. I even wouldn't mind Jonathan Walters plus cash. He always seems to score against us.

I would go as far as to say there is no chance of an exchange deal, they are just far too complicated and extremely rare. As for a goalscorer coming our way, every club is after them and they often don't come cheap and that is why we should still be asking for big money for Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 14, 2016, 10:51:38 PM
Leicester have now joined the race to sign Berahino, according to The Mirror
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dubliner on January 14, 2016, 10:52:25 PM
John Percy reporting tonight that he's going nowhere this window -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/12100830/West-Bromwich-Albion-tell-Tottenham-Hotspur-and-Newcastle-United-striker-Saido-Berahino-is-not-for-sale.html

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 15, 2016, 12:06:46 AM
Don't play him, don't sell him, let his contract run down, is not a credible strategy. The not for sale line is just not true. He is plainly for sale the only thing in doubt is the price.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 15, 2016, 12:14:10 AM
Don't play him, don't sell him, let his contract run down, is not a credible strategy. The not for sale line is just not true. He is plainly for sale the only thing in doubt is the price.
Clear don't bother putting cheap bids in message , that said if we stay up the money far out weighs any bid for Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 15, 2016, 12:53:46 AM
Leicester have now joined the race to sign Berahino, according to The Mirror
and chester according to the daily mail
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 15, 2016, 01:05:28 AM
and chester according to the daily mail

I doubt Chester can afford to buy him  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 15, 2016, 01:08:12 AM
Clear don't bother putting cheap bids in message , that said if we stay up the money far out weighs any bid for Saido.

That's exactly what it means.   Sod off Spurs unless you are serious.  If you want him, pay the asking price. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 15, 2016, 01:27:05 AM
How many times did we tell Spurs he wasn't for sale in the summer? Like everyone has said its just our way of saying any club that wants him will have to either put up or shut up.

He's earning peanuts in comparison to others at the club, we are entitled to a decent fee via tribunal if his contract runs out and we are seeing a Championship defender like Byram going for £4m with less than 6 months left on his deal. With all that considered I don't see us as being under any real pressure to sell, it's just a shame our own team rebuilding may depend on him going but even then we would be held to ransom as clubs would know we have the cash.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on January 15, 2016, 02:44:40 AM
If we do not sell SB this window be prepared for another 6 months of sulking and non performances. He wont change now but JP principles could get in the way of the club and player moving forwards. TP then will be getting very frustrated like all other managers before him with JP intransigence.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 15, 2016, 06:25:06 AM
John Percy reporting tonight that he's going nowhere this window -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/12100830/West-Bromwich-Albion-tell-Tottenham-Hotspur-and-Newcastle-United-striker-Saido-Berahino-is-not-for-sale.html

I bet Tones not too happy about that.
I think its just JP putting the shutters up and saying if you want him, make us an unbeatable offer.
I hope Chelsea come in with a straight £25m bid. Needs to be soon though the clock is ticking and the window nearer to closing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 15, 2016, 06:26:36 AM
If we do not sell SB this window be prepared for another 6 months of sulking and non performances. He wont change now but JP principles could get in the way of the club and player moving forwards. TP then will be getting very frustrated like all other managers before him with JP intransigence.

Thing is that SB said "it's Spurs or nowhere" and Spurs now don't seem to want him any more.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on January 15, 2016, 08:35:48 AM
Pulis has been over this.  My house/car "isn't for sale" doesn't mean if someone come along and offers you a good price for it you wouldn't take it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 15, 2016, 09:04:52 AM
Pulis has been over this.  My house/car "isn't for sale" doesn't mean if someone come along and offers you a good price for it you wouldn't take it.

He didn't really say that, what he did say was "if your house is for sale, you would want the best price for it".

Allegedly, Pulis doesn't know the details of what's going on with negotiations anyway, didn't he say he wasn't involved, but thought that James Morrison's representatives had been involved in discussions on a new contract.

I'm not so sure TP wants rid of Saido, what he does want is a fully functioning player, & even with a semi functioning player, IMO we would be better off retaining him until the summer.
The fact that half the EPL are,allegedly, after him surely says that there aren't many, if any, alternatives out there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 15, 2016, 09:07:26 AM
There's seems to be enough interest in Saido -  it's now down to whether someone stumps up the right amount for him in our eyes. If Grabban is £8m and Afobe is £12m then Saido is £20m+ - it's that simple!

I still think he'll go this window, it's a case of where and for how much now? I also think we won't directly replace him this window but will get one or two in in other positions, possibly on loans to cover other areas (LB, CM, RW) and then reinvest the cash in the summer..................just my opinion of course but I'd be very surprised if he was still here in Feb?   Body language from him to others and vice versa is not that of team mates who get on well from what I've seen recently (maybe reading too much into it?).

At least he'll train and score a couple for us in Jan because he's trying desperately to get a move -
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 15, 2016, 09:20:49 AM
The thing is we are not desperate to sell, we are doing well in the league and, barring a disaster, will stay up. The squad has coped with injuries and suspensions throughout the side already this season, so technically we don't need to bring in new faces.
This puts Peace in a very strong bargaining position so we will either get top dollar or he stays where he is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 15, 2016, 09:30:26 AM
If we do not sell SB this window be prepared for another 6 months of sulking and non performances. He wont change now but JP principles could get in the way of the club and player moving forwards. TP then will be getting very frustrated like all other managers before him with JP intransigence.

And if we do sell and don't get a replacement in the current alternative is to have Lambert on the bench. No thanks! TP and JP will have replacements in mind and know what they will cost, Berahino's sale would have to cover the cost of his replacement a least.

Stick to your guns JP until someone stumps up the money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 15, 2016, 09:38:21 AM
We don't really need a replacement this window ?

Not like we're going to be bottom 3.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WoysWunderful on January 15, 2016, 09:58:56 AM
If we do sell saido i hope we wait to the summer to reinvest as the january market is stupidly inflated and we will be fine how we are now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on January 15, 2016, 10:53:09 AM
If we do sell saido i hope we wait to the summer to reinvest as the january market is stupidly inflated and we will be fine how we are now.
The January window is inflated but with the extra revenue from Sky etc in the summer you can see prices jumping yet again.
Regarding Berahino unless we get a top price for him i wouldn't sell, the player must realise he can't sulk for another six months and expect a top side to want to buy him, the best he can do is get in the side knock in a few goals and guarantee the move he wants.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 15, 2016, 10:58:02 AM
The January window is inflated but with the extra revenue from Sky etc in the summer you can see prices jumping yet again.
Regarding Berahino unless we get a top price for him i wouldn't sell, the player must realise he can't sulk for another six months and expect a top side to want to buy him, the best he can do is get in the side knock in a few goals and guarantee the move he wants.
Good point about Sky cash, i hadn't considered that in relation to the SB situation, as for SB changing his attitude, while your point is logical, SB seems an irrational lad so i doubt hewill knuckle down at WBAFC
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on January 15, 2016, 06:12:02 PM
I think SB has been subject to paper talk mainly, he may not have the best attitude in life, but many top sports people have the same mind set to a degree. SB has been left out the team for a reason, that is to make sure first half of the season we could do what we need to do without him starting, if we struggle then he is used as a sub to try and carve that vital opening. Now we have been through the mill abit and have managed this so far without using SB that much means we know unless top money comes in, we don't need to bother about the smaller bids and horse play! stump up or don't bother! He don't even cost that much in wages so in relative terms it don't matter to us if he warms the bench!
To me that is a pretty strong position to be in!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 15, 2016, 09:21:45 PM
All the big clubs and a few others want to sign him, it's just a question of who is going to offer the most. Massive jump in wages for the lad whoever it is. Will go on to become one of the greatest footballers ever. Oh, hang on a minute, no bids yet, not even unacceptable ones, and halfway through the window. Smells like the summer all over again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 15, 2016, 09:28:01 PM
All the big clubs and a few others want to sign him, it's just a question of who is going to offer the most. Massive jump in wages for the lad whoever it is. Will go on to become one of the greatest footballers ever. Oh, hang on a minute, no bids yet, not even unacceptable ones, and halfway through the window. Smells like the summer all over again.

The only thing stopping him becoming one of the greatest footballers is his temperament, his attitude and the fact that he's not good enough
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on January 15, 2016, 09:48:55 PM
He is definately young enough and good enough to become a PL star, but that attitude needs to be packed away with the rest of the baggage that he is currently carrying around with him   ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 15, 2016, 10:05:21 PM
The only thing stopping him becoming one of the greatest footballers is his temperament, his attitude and the fact that he's not good enough
Haha, nicely summed up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 17, 2016, 02:52:20 PM
Not sure of how credible this is but:
a mate of mine works for Leicester City and he said last night that they are readying a bid for Berahino tomorrow (Monday)!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 17, 2016, 10:40:03 PM
Not sure of how credible this is but:
a mate of mine works for Leicester City and he said last night that they are readying a bid for Berahino tomorrow (Monday)!

I've just heard that Chelsea are planning to make a bid this week

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 17, 2016, 10:42:43 PM
I know this is old news but I can't get my head around why he's supposedly got so many suitors.
I do rate the lad, it's obvious he's got ability but is he really good enough for a top-4 side? At his best he probably is, but he's proven to be a liability. If I were sniffing around the top 4 I'd probably chose someone from abroad with a similar record and less baggage, I hope we get good money for him and I actually hope he does well but I just don't think he's that special.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 18, 2016, 09:15:16 AM
I know this is old news but I can't get my head around why he's supposedly got so many suitors.
I do rate the lad, it's obvious he's got ability but is he really good enough for a top-4 side? At his best he probably is, but he's proven to be a liability. If I were sniffing around the top 4 I'd probably chose someone from abroad with a similar record and less baggage, I hope we get good money for him and I actually hope he does well but I just don't think he's that special.

I know what you mean but I think the fact that he's English is a big pull for the top 4 sides (fulfills quotas etc) who are crying out for goal scorers so when a young English one comes up for sale they should be like sharks at feeding time.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 18, 2016, 09:41:59 AM
First of all there is always  lots of interest pretty much every club in the league has been linked with Saido and most of it is purely speculative. The reason is that very few players have scored 10 plus goals in the Premier League and are not already at one of the bigger clubs add to the fact that he is English and can help a club who is struggling to meet their home grown quota. However genuine bids are a lot thinner on the ground which would suggest he isn't any major club's first choice must have signing and that is not going to change while he is on our bench.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 18, 2016, 12:05:56 PM
So when's he going to go then? Got deadline day written all over it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 18, 2016, 12:36:24 PM
So when's he going to go then? Got deadline day written all over it.

Madness if we do as I doubt if we will have an adequate replacement in place, unless all the pieces of the jigsaw are ready to be put into place once the first move is made.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 18, 2016, 12:55:32 PM
I know this is old news but I can't get my head around why he's supposedly got so many suitors.
I do rate the lad, it's obvious he's got ability but is he really good enough for a top-4 side? At his best he probably is, but he's proven to be a liability. If I were sniffing around the top 4 I'd probably chose someone from abroad with a similar record and less baggage, I hope we get good money for him and I actually hope he does well but I just don't think he's that special.

Risky though if they have not played here before. On paper you may take Ideye or Rondon before Berahino but in reality you wouldn't. As far as we know only Spurs have shown genuine interest and they are a 'wannabie' top 4 club not a genunine one. :D That said I still think he'd improve Man Utd, Liverpool or Chelsea in the short term.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andio on January 18, 2016, 12:59:07 PM
Madness if we do as I doubt if we will have an adequate replacement in place, unless all the pieces of the jigsaw are ready to be put into place once the first move is made.

I do agree, however in our recent good form he hasn't featured much albeit from the bench a few times..... but yes we do need somebody else to fill the gap it will make.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on January 18, 2016, 01:02:23 PM
There's a lot of talk about needing a replacement, but lets be fair, we're not losing a first team player.

He's featured very little and even in his limited appearances hasn't really contributed recently.

It's sad to see a player go who was doing well and was very young, but I'd be taking anything close to 10 million with a hefty 25% PLUS sell on clause. IF he's a flop we cashed in and if he goes on to big things, we'll get the amount we originally wanted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 18, 2016, 01:08:28 PM
There's a lot of talk about needing a replacement, but lets be fair, we're not losing a first team player.

He's featured very little and even in his limited appearances hasn't really contributed recently.

It's sad to see a player go who was doing well and was very young, but I'd be taking anything close to 10 million with a hefty 25% PLUS sell on clause. IF he's a flop we cashed in and if he goes on to big things, we'll get the amount we originally wanted.
can't see any buying club agreeing to a 25% sell on clause; 10-15% maybe but definitely not 25%.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 18, 2016, 01:10:56 PM
There's a lot of talk about needing a replacement, but lets be fair, we're not losing a first team player.

He's featured very little and even in his limited appearances hasn't really contributed recently.

It's sad to see a player go who was doing well and was very young, but I'd be taking anything close to 10 million with a hefty 25% PLUS sell on clause. IF he's a flop we cashed in and if he goes on to big things, we'll get the amount we originally wanted.

He's still our top scorer bagging 2 winning goals this season. Also his impact coming off the bench v Newcastle helped us win the game and he also put in a good shift v Chelsea. He may not have been as influential as last season but he's still played a part. Either way he would need replacing IMO as we effectively only have 1 other half decent forward in Rondon despite not being able to hit a cows backside with a banjo. The less said about Lambert and Anichebe the better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on January 18, 2016, 01:27:08 PM
You would think that any real interest will be made formal this week, you can't see anyone wanting a staring match with Peace next week.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 18, 2016, 01:30:02 PM
Daily Mail reporting Ashley has gave McClaren the green light to bid 18m for Berahino & the bid will be in by the end of the week.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on January 18, 2016, 01:37:56 PM
Daily Mail reporting Ashley has gave McClaren the green light to bid 18m for Berahino & the bid will be in by the end of the week.
i just can't believe he's been given the green light and not bid already. Why if you've got a go ahead would you wait? Just sounds like paper talk either agent driven or club driven.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 18, 2016, 01:43:13 PM
Daily Mail reporting Ashley has gave McClaren the green light to bid 18m for Berahino & the bid will be in by the end of the week.

Didn't the papers report last week that Newcastle had a pre existing £18M bid on the table and that it should still be considered active?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on January 18, 2016, 02:12:31 PM
He's still our top scorer bagging 2 winning goals this season. Also his impact coming off the bench v Newcastle helped us win the game and he also put in a good shift v Chelsea. He may not have been as influential as last season but he's still played a part. Either way he would need replacing IMO as we effectively only have 1 other half decent forward in Rondon despite not being able to hit a cows backside with a banjo. The less said about Lambert and Anichebe the better.

Seriously dispute that. Awful off the bench at Swansea & Southampton. Heavily overweight too.

I agree with Lambert & Anichebe, but I think Rondon does a very solid job with his work rate alone.

I know 25% seems very high, but if clubs are desperate like Newcastle and think they can get a player on the cheap, they might just go for it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on January 18, 2016, 10:46:06 PM
Four national papers all reporting the same thing,..........
Gone by the weekend  :o

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/812008160?-11200:789:0

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on January 19, 2016, 01:13:58 AM
This indecision's bugging me
If you don't want him, set him free
Exactly wheres hes supposed to be
Don't know which clubs will even pay
Come on and let us know
Should we cool it or should We blow?


Well, come on and let us know
Are we selling saido?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 19, 2016, 06:47:19 AM
I'd say a few are sick if him too!  :D

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 19, 2016, 06:50:35 AM
Saido would be good at Newcastle - a player with a superiority complex goes to a club with a superiority complex , good fit
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 19, 2016, 08:15:18 AM
good ridence, no way does he deserve a top club. send him back to Peterborough
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 19, 2016, 08:32:16 AM
Four national papers copying each other's story doesn't make it true. I will only believe he has gone when he has gone. I personally would snatch Newcastle's arm off for £18m that is as much as we are going to get from a club other one of the big clubs and to be honest those clubs simply don't trust his temperament, which is why Spurs wanted to make the bulk of the fee conditional on his performance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 19, 2016, 09:43:50 AM
Four national papers copying each other's story doesn't make it true. I will only believe he has gone when he has gone. I personally would snatch Newcastle's arm off for £18m that is as much as we are going to get from a club other one of the big clubs and to be honest those clubs simply don't trust his temperament, which is why Spurs wanted to make the bulk of the fee conditional on his performance.
If he goes to Newcastle on the last day of the window his first game will most probably be against us. Wonder if he'd celebrate if he scored?  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 19, 2016, 02:26:14 PM
Bizarre move to be honest (if it's true).

He's clearly wanting to play at a club what he feels is his level (top 6?) However Newcastle are on our level. We both got promoted together and have since had similar success (they finished 6th once, we finished 8th, they finished 17th once, so did we).

It's very much a side-ways move.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 19, 2016, 02:31:04 PM
Bizarre move to be honest (if it's true).

He's clearly wanting to play at a club what he feels is his level (top 6?) However Newcastle are on our level. We both got promoted together and have since had similar success (they finished 6th once, we finished 8th, they finished 17th once, so did we).

It's very much a side-ways move.

Not in terms of exposure though, they am a big club with 50k every home game, didn't you know that ??

In fact they don't get 50k and are not a big club, but don't let the facts get in the way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 19, 2016, 02:44:13 PM
I don't get your point...when has a player ever got signed off the back of his club having a big crowd?

They do have lots of fans, so do Sunderland...so do Leeds and Forest. In terms of league standings, he is making a sideways move, it's irrelevant talking about history when they're struggling against relegation.

If he went to Everton, Spurs et al then it would be understandable, but for his career progression a move to Newcastle is not going to improve him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 19, 2016, 02:47:48 PM
I don't care where he goes and he could go and play for Timbuktu FC for all I care. I just want him gone!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 19, 2016, 02:58:25 PM
I don't get your point...when has a player ever got signed off the back of his club having a big crowd?

They do have lots of fans, so do Sunderland...so do Leeds and Forest. In terms of league standings, he is making a sideways move, it's irrelevant talking about history when they're struggling against relegation.

If he went to Everton, Spurs et al then it would be understandable, but for his career progression a move to Newcastle is not going to improve him.

Celtic and Rangers
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on January 19, 2016, 06:52:28 PM
Not in squad
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 19, 2016, 07:07:18 PM
Not in squad

Unwell according to Pulis and would have been picked.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on January 19, 2016, 07:11:39 PM
Unwell according to Pulis and would have been picked.

Someone on Facebook saying hungover, anyone know if there's any truth in that?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 19, 2016, 07:17:08 PM
Someone on Facebook saying hungover, anyone know if there's any truth in that?
I heard he went home unwell from training Yesterday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 19, 2016, 07:20:20 PM
Someone on Facebook saying hungover, anyone know if there's any truth in that?

No. Clearly tongue in cheek.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 19, 2016, 08:50:49 PM
No Berahino in the squad tonight, wonder if that's a sign he's off! Hope so...

apparently went home sick yesterday
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on January 19, 2016, 09:54:35 PM
The hangover story comes from a post on another forum yesterday. They said Saido wouldn't selected as he'd turned up hungover and been sent home. This was a good 24 hours before the game so they certainly need some credit for having the story right, but difficult to know if it's genuine illness and just an assumption it was something else or if it's genuine information.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 19, 2016, 09:56:47 PM
The hangover story comes from a post on another forum yesterday. They said Saido wouldn't selected as he'd turned up hungover and been sent home. This was a good 24 hours before the game so they certainly need some credit for having the story right, but difficult to know if it's genuine illness and just an assumption it was something else or if it's genuine information.

Was also posted on here but the poster removed it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on January 19, 2016, 10:40:00 PM
Just read Man Utd are after 20 million for Fallaini
Straight swop- no brainer !!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 19, 2016, 10:43:56 PM
Just read Man Utd are after 20 million for Fallaini
Straight swop- no brainer !!!!

Err no thanks...Fellaini is chyte
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on January 19, 2016, 10:45:55 PM
Err no thanks...Fellaini is chyte

But he's better than some of our chyte
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: graka on January 19, 2016, 10:46:35 PM
We really need to get rid and invest the money because we have no cutting edge from open play. It's hump it to rondon and hole for the best.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aztech on January 19, 2016, 10:48:19 PM
Just read Man Utd are after 20 million for Fallaini
Straight swop- no brainer !!!!

I'd rather take Adnan Januzaj and James Wilson
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on January 19, 2016, 10:49:19 PM
He doesn't want to play for us and the supporters don't give a hoot about him
Obviously get rid ASAP at the best possible price and move on
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 19, 2016, 10:55:46 PM
I'd rather take Adnan Januzaj and James Wilson

Neither Fellaini or Januzaj would come and Wilson isn't good enough. Aside from that good shout. ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aztech on January 19, 2016, 11:06:48 PM
Neither Fellaini or Januzaj would come and Wilson isn't good enough. Aside from that good shout. ;D

No doubt Fellaini would jump at the chance if he thinks there is an opportunity to play alongside Chris Brunt.  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on January 19, 2016, 11:11:25 PM
Think he has a bad case of transferitis
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on January 20, 2016, 12:56:27 AM
He is on the verge of making a lot of money and so is his agent, I'd be sh**ting myself aswell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on January 20, 2016, 02:45:54 AM
He is on the verge of making a lot of money and so is his agent, I'd be sh**ting myself aswell.

Can't imagine there both poor off, would actually be interested in knowing what Berahino is on not from the supposed ITK people on here either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 20, 2016, 03:08:23 AM
Can't imagine there both poor off, would actually be interested in knowing what Berahino is on not from the supposed ITK people on here either.

It's all relative.   No idea whether he is earning closer to £10k than £15k a week, but I suspect he manages to spend most of what's left after tax.   He'd not yet had a huge payday from a big transfer and he could very easily have a couple of million in his bank account by the this month.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on January 20, 2016, 04:40:58 AM
apparently went home sick yesterday

Been a bug going around the club apparently??

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/35357884
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on January 20, 2016, 06:43:32 AM
It's all relative.   No idea whether he is earning closer to £10k than £15k a week, but I suspect he manages to spend most of what's left after tax.   He'd not yet had a huge payday from a big transfer and he could very easily have a couple of million in his bank account by the this month.

As he asked for a transfer does he not forfit his cut (5%) ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 20, 2016, 07:21:26 AM
It is widely reported that his current deal is £14k a week which was due to be more than doubled when he was in talks about a new contract prior to his drunk driving conviction. This is relatively low by the standards of professional football but comfortably in the top 1% of UK earners so he really shouldn't be flat broke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 20, 2016, 08:20:45 AM
apparently went home sick yesterday

One pie too many  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 20, 2016, 10:19:29 AM
Been a bug going around the club apparently??

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/35357884

Yes, i've had it quite a few times - mainly on Sunday mornings.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on January 20, 2016, 10:36:35 AM
Selling him to Newcastle would be a very negative move from the club, they're below us in the league!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 20, 2016, 10:43:22 AM
He would get a pay rise from about 15k to 50k a week - do you think he'd mind dropping down a few league places? Newcastle have a lot of fans but have no pedigree for success really - not my definition of a big club. However, I could see Berahino enjoying playing for the Geordies - being a big fish in a smaller pond than he would at Chelsea or Spurs.

Good luck to him and his 4-year 50k a week contract but please sort it out now for all of our sakes, hopefully with at least £18m coming our way in order to buy a player who wants to play for our famous club!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 20, 2016, 12:01:51 PM
We are still not safe and it would be foolish to sell him to a team in and around us. If Chelsea or spurs decide to bid for him then let him go, if not hold on to him until summer. TV deal worth more to JP than quick buck, still wants to sell club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 20, 2016, 12:05:55 PM
I don't think the club, Pulis or players would want a sulking Berahino around for another 6 months do you? I think the fans are fed up with him going by this thread's comments recently.....................
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2016, 12:25:10 PM
Selling him to Newcastle would be a very negative move from the club, they're below us in the league!


absolutely especially if we dont buy another striker
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 20, 2016, 02:28:41 PM
Selling him to Newcastle would be a very negative move from the club, they're below us in the league!

Why? Who cares where he goes as long as they stump up the cash. The bottom line is he wants out and the Head Coach ain't playing him and his contract is down to it's last eighteen months. Another 6 months of this and we will be grateful for anyone to take him off our hands.

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on January 20, 2016, 03:05:39 PM
To be honest if I was a neutral and a striker and right now had the choice between Newcastle or WBA, even on the same wages, id choose Newcastle in a heartbeat. Just look at how little service poor Rondon gets here!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 20, 2016, 03:20:12 PM
Trouble with Saido post Summer/Levy gate has been his reaction to not getting his move , if you were a club interested would you really part with big money for someone whose hardly played , looks to be carrying weight and has a history of questionable choices ? I suspect and fear any offer will be a smaller amount down with installments like the Summer Spurs bid and quite possibly late in the window which really are no good for us.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 20, 2016, 04:18:50 PM
To be honest if I was a neutral and a striker and right now had the choice between Newcastle or WBA, even on the same wages, id choose Newcastle in a heartbeat. Just look at how little service poor Rondon gets here!

The difference is Saido can create his own chances. We need that in a side that lacks creativity.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on January 20, 2016, 04:31:38 PM
The difference is Saido can create his own chances. We need that in a side that lacks creativity.

Oh he definitely can. My point was just that he will also get given more goalscoring chances playing in Newcastles current side than our current side, which was in reply to numerous people suggesting that moving to Newcastle would be a bad move for him. Along with money, strikers desperately want to score goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 20, 2016, 04:53:09 PM
The difference is Saido can create his own chances. We need that in a side that lacks creativity.

you would hope that any money from his sale would be used to buy 2 or 3 players who are capable of creating chances for the team.

with our current track record of signings I'm not so confident of that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 20, 2016, 04:58:04 PM
Oh he definitely can. My point was just that he will also get given more goalscoring chances playing in Newcastles current side than our current side, which was in reply to numerous people suggesting that moving to Newcastle would be a bad move for him. Along with money, strikers desperately want to score goals.

Absolutely. I don't particularly like Newcastle. They certainly think they are a much bigger club that they actually are. That said I sure most players would prefer to play for them that us if location wasn't an issue. Saido could do well there and would certainly be a step up from playing for us. He's not top 4 material yet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on January 20, 2016, 05:05:37 PM
was 5/2 with skybet yesterday he stays with us...easy money i think because nobody will pay what we want its all just paper talk
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 20, 2016, 05:34:16 PM
was 5/2 with skybet yesterday he stays with us...easy money i think because nobody will pay what we want its all just paper talk
Exactly. Plus, thought he only wanted to go to Spuds, and they don't want him any more, or so I believe.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 20, 2016, 08:03:40 PM
I support the baggies, but if I was there on 15k a week and tranmere came in at 50k I'd be off, can't get why people don't understand it?
It's not crowd size, it doesn't matter if it's sideways, it is purely £ and most of us would do it.
Also to this saying "make him stay,run his contract down"wait till its your investment..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 20, 2016, 08:14:03 PM
Can't imagine there both poor off, would actually be interested in knowing what Berahino is on not from the supposed ITK people on here either.
It ranges from 15-20k
12 pints of thatchers gold
600ml of pure helium
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 20, 2016, 09:15:18 PM
It ranges from 15-20k
12 pints of thatchers gold
600ml of pure helium

Is that a typo? (allegedly of course)  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies_24 on January 20, 2016, 10:09:40 PM
I support the baggies, but if I was there on 15k a week and tranmere came in at 50k I'd be off, can't get why people don't understand it?
It's not crowd size, it doesn't matter if it's sideways, it is purely £ and most of us would do it.
Also to this saying "make him stay,run his contract down"wait till its your investment..

I can't begrudge the lad wanting move, Better team, London and more money no one can begrudge him that, however he also needs to understand the clubs position and that Tottenham were playing silly buggers and offering a stupid price.

The guys genuinely thick though as had he got on with it knuckled down there's no reason to say he could have scored say between 5-10 goals for us by now and if that happens he's looking at moving to one of the top 4 clubs this window, instead he threw his toys out of the pram, can't get into our team and no-one will touch him with a barge pole all of which is his own doing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: j2burnz on January 20, 2016, 10:37:06 PM
And that my friends is the truth of it. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 21, 2016, 01:18:06 AM
Peace is playing hard ball, looking for 30 million for Mr blobby
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 21, 2016, 02:34:35 AM
Peace is playing hard ball, looking for 30 million for Mr blobby

If that's the case he'll be with us at least until the summer, so let's start finding out how good he actually is by playing him regularly again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on January 21, 2016, 02:39:15 AM
I'm sure 30 mil is just papertalk. If its true then JP is off his f ing rocker!
Why keep someone that doesnt want to be here , rarely plays and looks unfit when he does get on the pitch? I'd take 18 mil and  pay for a cab.
We are in need of fresh blood and this is bloody ridiculous holding everything up in a p*ssing match with teams wanting to buy. He has 18 months on his contract. In the summer he'll be worth even less!

what happens if he stays? does that mean no one new or just some sh*tty loan players that will rarely play?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 21, 2016, 02:43:45 AM
I'm sure 30 mil is just papertalk. If its true then JP is off his f ing rocker!
Why keep someone that doesnt want to be here , rarely plays and looks unfit when he does get on the pitch? I'd take 18 mil and  pay for a cab.
We are in need of fresh blood and this is bloody ridiculous holding everything up in a p*ssing match with teams wanting to buy. He has 18 months on his contract. In the summer he'll be worth even less!

what happens if he stays? does that mean no one new or just some sh*tty loan players that will rarely play?

We don't need to sell and January is a strange time to sign players, Everton have slapped a £65 million price tag on Rom. Saido is worth the £30 mill in this market.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 21, 2016, 04:59:44 AM
I'm convinced that Peace believes he will get £15m+ at tribunal if his contract runs out and that is why he won't be bullied into selling on the cheap And it's the reason I don't see him leaving in this window. I'm certain talk of £30m is just a figure plucked out of thin air by a journalist to sensationalise the story but I would personally still be demanding over £20m+ for him at this stage.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 21, 2016, 06:29:02 AM
If that's the case he'll be with us at least until the summer, so let's start finding out how good he actually is by playing him regularly again.

Ever thought his heart might not be in it?
He's obviously a complex piece of kit and looks as if he's prepared to cut his nose off to spite his face.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on January 21, 2016, 06:49:06 AM
Ever thought his heart might not be in it?
He's obviously a complex piece of kit and looks as if he's prepared to cut his nose off to spite his face.
Is it not the manager's job to work out the problem and work to getting him on side, not just bomb players he doesn't like into the nether regions. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 21, 2016, 07:22:07 AM
Is it not the manager's job to work out the problem and work to getting him on side, not just bomb players he doesn't like into the nether regions.

You can only help people that want to be helped.
I would have thought it was obvious that Berahino doesn't want to be here.
He said he wouldn't play for Peace again and I think its fair to say he's been true to his word in that respect.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 21, 2016, 08:18:40 AM
Pulis can't or won't work with Berahino as a central striker nor have the attempts to fit him into the team as a wide player or as a number 10 worked particularly well. There is an issue over his fitness and attitude even aside from the post window outburst which would have been quickly forgotten if Berahino had knuckled down and produced the goods however that was never going to happen.

Tp's solution to "problem" players is bomb them out and in the case of Berahino his sale was central to TP's plans during the summer. The football world knows this and that is why the big bid is not coming in. The longer this runs the worse it is going to get because Berahino is not going to get a run of games to show his worth and prompt a club to make a bid to secure his services. If this carries on for another season and a half we will be lucky to get £4m at tribunal and that is a monumental balls up all round.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on January 21, 2016, 08:55:06 AM
I can't begrudge the lad wanting move, Better team, London and more money no one can begrudge him that, however he also needs to understand the clubs position and that Tottenham were playing silly buggers and offering a stupid price.

The guys genuinely thick though as had he got on with it knuckled down there's no reason to say he could have scored say between 5-10 goals for us by now and if that happens he's looking at moving to one of the top 4 clubs this window, instead he threw his toys out of the pram, can't get into our team and no-one will touch him with a barge pole all of which is his own doing.

Bang on...great post!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 21, 2016, 11:04:17 AM
If the plank had an number of brain cells (I did say if) he would have got himself into peak condition, enamored himself to his fellow team mates, banged in a few goals then bigger teams than spuds would have thrown big big contracts at him.
As it is now the whole footballing world see him as a petulant kid whose simply not worth the risk.
His momentary spat could cost him a lot more than losing his place in our team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 21, 2016, 11:17:50 AM
past caring to be honest, I just want him gone so we can sign players who benefit the club. its all a bit petty really from all involved. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jim68 on January 21, 2016, 11:20:46 AM
Selling him to Newcastle would be a very negative move from the club, they're below us in the league!
quite agree madness if he goes there they might be in the bottom 3 but only 2 wins adrift of us surely jp wont allow it  :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 21, 2016, 11:35:04 AM
past caring to be honest, I just want him gone so we can sign players who benefit the club. its all a bit petty really from all involved.
I fair play to JP he is trying to get the best price for our one and only asset who wants to leave club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 21, 2016, 11:51:42 AM
Jeremy is in charge in these situations, as Pulis correctly pointed out. After the summer fiasco, with Saido refusing to play again, he was pretty much declaring war on Jeremy, Jeremy doesn't lose wars. He will demand an unrealistic price for Saido, which no-one will be willing to match. Saido will probably still be here after January. I honestly believe that, in this instance, Jeremy doesn't really care that much about the money, which isn't significant in the bigger scheme of things. I think that it is the principle that he will not be bullied or manipulated that is his prime consideration, and the only ultimate loser will be Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 21, 2016, 12:14:59 PM
There is not a chance in hell he will goto a top 4 club, if he did it would be purely to warm the bench.

This is the entire reason our national team is suffering because good players get stockpiled by the big clubs and turn their heads with ridiculous wage offers and then stick them on the bench and as a result they never improve and never do anything significant on the international stage.

Even if he went to Spurs who are not a perennial top 4 side he would be backup striker to Kane and wouldnt fit their style anyway as they play 1 upfront.

I dont get the lad, he could earn the same riches here yet play, score goals and improve year on year and get himself in the international side and a move to a top club but instead he just wants to be able to waltz around like he is billy big bo!!&x (as he did when called up to the England side) claiming to play for a big team and think he is some sort of messiah.

You know what I dont even care who he goes too, below us above us...doesnt make a difference to me anymore I just want him out of this club.....if he goes to Newcastle and scores goals for them and has other clubs looking at him he will only do the same to them as he will to Spurs should a bigger club than them come calling.

If he comes back and scores against us so what, happens all the time with former players.

I really dont care
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 21, 2016, 12:15:05 PM
I see some of the Geordies have him in their team selection already :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 21, 2016, 12:42:22 PM
past caring to be honest, I just want him gone so we can sign players who benefit the club. its all a bit petty really from all involved.

I agree get rid the whole saga is getting boring and irritating now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 21, 2016, 01:07:47 PM
Jeremy is in charge in these situations, as Pulis correctly pointed out. After the summer fiasco, with Saido refusing to play again, he was pretty much declaring war on Jeremy, Jeremy doesn't lose wars. He will demand an unrealistic price for Saido, which no-one will be willing to match. Saido will probably still be here after January. I honestly believe that, in this instance, Jeremy doesn't really care that much about the money, which isn't significant in the bigger scheme of things. I think that it is the principle that he will not be bullied or manipulated that is his prime consideration, and the only ultimate loser will be Saido.

He lost the Odemwingie one and will lose this one too IMO. If Berahino doesn't go he'll be worthless come the summer. He may get one over Saido but ultimately the club will lose out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 21, 2016, 01:16:13 PM
Jacobs on Talksport having a go again, Chelsea this week Berahino this. the bloke wants to go he said(berahino).Whats west brom doing not letting him get on in his career, holding him back. you idiot jacobs
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2016, 01:31:03 PM
He lost the Odemwingie one and will lose this one too IMO. If Berahino doesn't go he'll be worthless come the summer. He may get one over Saido but ultimately the club will lose out.

Rubbish.  Berahino will not be "worthless" in the summer.  Even a year later when his contract expires we will get £12m to £15m under the Academy compensation scheme.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggybazza on January 21, 2016, 01:48:31 PM
Ok so he wants to go! . Everybody and his dog knows that.
So what does he do sulk like a kid that cant have his sweets and stomps off......Well i say tough Sh**.
If i were TP i would say to him " well your really doing your best to balls up your career".
To think just over 12 months ago he was on the Brink of the full England squad, Wheres he gone from there ....Down hill very very quickly.
Remember this  pillock cost the club nothing so i say let him rot in the reserves till is contract expires.
We are never going to lose  money on some thing that didnt cost anything are we.
Let him get on with his career people say, what career? he dont want to play his putting on the pounds. teams  above us are losing intrest in him ,And do we really want to sell to 1 of our main rivals for premiership status?
If i were JP i would say Ok Saido you want to get a big move go out and do your stuff..........................in the reserves score a hat full of goals  get in the 1st team do the same  your value goes up  you get your big move  and we get rid of you!

SORTED! :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mrvulgarity on January 21, 2016, 02:29:53 PM
Ok so he wants to go! . Everybody and his dog knows that.
So what does he do sulk like a kid that cant have his sweets and stomps off......Well i say tough Sh**.
If i were TP i would say to him " well your really doing your best to balls up your career".
To think just over 12 months ago he was on the Brink of the full England squad, Wheres he gone from there ....Down hill very very quickly.
Remember this  pillock cost the club nothing so i say let him rot in the reserves till is contract expires.
We are never going to lose  money on some thing that didnt cost anything are we.
Let him get on with his career people say, what career? he dont want to play his putting on the pounds. teams  above us are losing intrest in him ,And do we really want to sell to 1 of our main rivals for premiership status?
If i were JP i would say Ok Saido you want to get a big move go out and do your stuff..........................in the reserves score a hat full of goals  get in the 1st team do the same  your value goes up  you get your big move  and we get rid of you!

SORTED! :o :o :o :o :o

I argue if we let him rot it costs us close to £20m in transfer fee
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2016, 02:42:58 PM
I argue if we let him rot it costs us close to £20m in transfer fee

No it doesn't, as we get substantial compensation as he's an Academy product.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mrvulgarity on January 21, 2016, 02:44:00 PM
No it doesn't, as we get substantial compensation as he's an Academy product.

Is there a figure we can pluck from the air?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 21, 2016, 02:47:23 PM
Ok so he wants to go! . Everybody and his dog knows that.
So what does he do sulk like a kid that cant have his sweets and stomps off......Well i say tough Sh**.
If i were TP i would say to him " well your really doing your best to balls up your career".
To think just over 12 months ago he was on the Brink of the full England squad, Wheres he gone from there ....Down hill very very quickly.
Remember this  pillock cost the club nothing so i say let him rot in the reserves till is contract expires.
We are never going to lose  money on some thing that didnt cost anything are we.
Let him get on with his career people say, what career? he dont want to play his putting on the pounds. teams  above us are losing intrest in him ,And do we really want to sell to 1 of our main rivals for premiership status?
If i were JP i would say Ok Saido you want to get a big move go out and do your stuff..........................in the reserves score a hat full of goals  get in the 1st team do the same  your value goes up  you get your big move  and we get rid of you!

SORTED! :o :o :o :o :o

Do you really think TP hasn't already told him that? Of course he has and SB has flagrantly ignored it, in fact SB has (reportedly) rubbed TP's face in it by turning up late etc,
The kids a moron and TP has failed to get through to him, so be it, we need him out ASAP and get as much as we can, he must be cancerous in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2016, 02:49:42 PM
Is there a figure we can pluck from the air?

No there isn't, as it is decided at tribunal, but JP believes it's £10m to £15m and he's generally right on such matters.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 21, 2016, 02:53:10 PM
Hes only ruining his own career.

Spurs have basically come out and said they arent really interested anymore, his attitude and the way he has conducted himself in the summer will have put a lot of teams off buying him.

The best he can now hope for is a 'sidewards' move to a team like Newcastle etc all just to earn a few more pennies.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbatillidie on January 21, 2016, 03:26:26 PM
No there isn't, as it is decided at tribunal, but JP believes it's £10m to £15m and he's generally right on such matters.

He hasn't started a match since October. If we carry on doing that there's no way we would get £15 million at tribunal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2016, 03:31:54 PM
He hasn't started a match since October. If we carry on doing that there's no way we would get £15 million at tribunal.
Hes only ruining his own career.

Spurs have basically come out and said they arent really interested anymore, his attitude and the way he has conducted himself in the summer will have put a lot of teams off buying him.

The best he can now hope for is a 'sidewards' move to a team like Newcastle etc all just to earn a few more pennies.

I suspect Leicester now more likely than Newcastle
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2016, 03:34:39 PM
He hasn't started a match since October. If we carry on doing that there's no way we would get £15 million at tribunal.

Depends on whether a Tribunal accepts that he damaged his own value.

It's clearly not likely to ever get that far, although I can see him still being here in 2 weeks time.  Leicester now looks most likely destination if they come up with around £20m in this window
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 21, 2016, 03:41:35 PM
Depends on whether a Tribunal accepts that he damaged his own value.

It's clearly not likely to ever get that far, although I can see him still being here in 2 weeks time.  Leicester now looks most likely destination if they come up with around £20m in this window

Surely the tribunal is there to establish the real "value" of the player when 2 parties cannot agree. If that premise is correct the player having "damaged his own value" is immaterial to the judgement? The panel can only "judge" on actual value not prior value surely (not shirley)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on January 21, 2016, 03:50:18 PM
Come on Saido you prize pillock, score the winner against villa and double your value! :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 21, 2016, 03:54:34 PM
Leicester would be a terrible move for him.

Cannot see them reproducing this seasons form next season.

They are having a great season but all that will happen is people will cherry pick their best players next season and they are not big enough to attract top top players to replace them

But as ive said in the other Berahino thread I couldnt careless where he goes, if someone stumps up the money they can have him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2016, 03:56:30 PM
Leicester would be a terrible move for him.

Cannot see them reproducing this seasons form next season.

They are having a great season but all that will happen is people will cherry pick their best players next season and they are not big enough to attract top top players to replace them

But as ive said in the other Berahino thread I couldnt careless where he goes, if someone stumps up the money they can have him
Surely the tribunal is there to establish the real "value" of the player when 2 parties cannot agree. If that premise is correct the player having "damaged his own value" is immaterial to the judgement? The panel can only "judge" on actual value not prior value surely (not shirley)

True value?  Home grown player who was on verge of England squad, scored 20 goals in a PL season, no injury issues.  I think Ings was £6m but was older, had achieved less (mostly outside PL) and JP believes these Academy tribunal fees have since risen.  Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on January 21, 2016, 03:57:46 PM
Leicester would be a terrible move for him.

Cannot see them reproducing this seasons form next season.

They are having a great season but all that will happen is people will cherry pick their best players next season and they are not big enough to attract top top players to replace them

But as ive said in the other Berahino thread I couldnt careless where he goes, if someone stumps up the money they can have him

All the more reason to hope he goes there, the little scrote!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2016, 04:04:20 PM
Leicester would be a terrible move for him.

Cannot see them reproducing this seasons form next season.

They are having a great season but all that will happen is people will cherry pick their best players next season and they are not big enough to attract top top players to replace them

But as ive said in the other Berahino thread I couldnt careless where he goes, if someone stumps up the money they can have him

If they get Champions League they will retain and attract players
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lillwalls left foot on January 21, 2016, 04:15:30 PM
Saido is the closest thing to a guarantee of goals out there on the market at the moment.  The fact he is not playing is irrelevant, anybody who knows football can see what a talent he potentially is.  After Saido the next level of strikers are top internationals who will cost best part of £30million plus -remember Lukaku went for £36m???  If we went out and took a punt on an inform 20 goal a season Championship stiker (not that there are many) they would want best part of £12 million at least! Saido is a different beast - so i reckon £20 million is minimum!  don't forget Austin went for £4 million with 6 months of his contract left, a dodgy knee and £110k a week contract!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 21, 2016, 04:19:45 PM
He lost the Odemwingie one and will lose this one too IMO. If Berahino doesn't go he'll be worthless come the summer. He may get one over Saido but ultimately the club will lose out.
.......and I would argue, he didn't lose the Odemwingie one either. Given what Odemwingie has done since he was transferred (or not done), I think we got rid at the right time, which wasn't when he was sitting in his car outside QPR. And even though the QPR fiasco was embarrassing for Odemwingie, he was nowhere near the prat that Saido is, and much more likeable, and kept himself fit........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 21, 2016, 04:22:30 PM
Rubbish.  Berahino will not be "worthless" in the summer.  Even a year later when his contract expires we will get £12m to £15m under the Academy compensation scheme.

£12-15m is still down on what we could have had back in the summer though so we will have lost out. It doesn't matter though as long as JP thinks he's got one over on someone then all is OK.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 21, 2016, 04:24:06 PM
.......and I would argue, he didn't lose the Odemwingie one either. Given what Odemwingie has done since he was transferred (or not done), I think we got rid at the right time, which wasn't when he was sitting in his car outside QPR. And even though the QPR fiasco was embarrassing for Odemwingie, he was nowhere near the prat that Saido is, and much more likeable, and kept himself fit........

A deal was agreed in January at £4m but JP moved the goalposts and it fell through. Odemwingie was then sold in the summer for £1.5m. Again we lost out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 21, 2016, 04:25:27 PM
True value?  Home grown player who was on verge of England squad, scored 20 goals in a PL season, no injury issues.  I think Ings was £6m but was older, had achieved less (mostly outside PL) and JP believes these Academy tribunal fees have since risen.  Only time will tell.

The key thing is that Ings was a regular starter for Burnley in the Premier League the season prior to his move to Liverpool but the things you are saying about Berahino are entirely true but two years out of date by the time we get to a tribunal. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 21, 2016, 04:27:51 PM
A deal was agreed in January at £4m but JP moved the goalposts and it fell through. Odemwingie was then sold in the summer for £1.5m. Again we lost out.
You don't know that for sure. Anyway, to date, we have not received a single bid for Saido, so it's all academic. The Telegraph are now reporting that Newcastle have now pulled out, which seems to leave, errrr, no suitors as far as I can see
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2016, 04:30:13 PM
A deal was agreed in January at £4m but JP moved the goalposts and it fell through. Odemwingie was then sold in the summer for £1.5m. Again we lost out.

Wrong.  The finer detail is important.  The bit you've left out and which Odemwingie overlooked was that it was dependent on us signing a replacement.  If I recall correctly, it was Junior Hoillet who declined a move to us (I think on loan), but Odemwingie tried to force the deal through regardless.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2016, 04:32:51 PM
Saido is the closest thing to a guarantee of goals out there on the market at the moment.  The fact he is not playing is irrelevant, anybody who knows football can see what a talent he potentially is.  After Saido the next level of strikers are top internationals who will cost best part of £30million plus -remember Lukaku went for £36m???  If we went out and took a punt on an inform 20 goal a season Championship stiker (not that there are many) they would want best part of £12 million at least! Saido is a different beast - so i reckon £20 million is minimum!  don't forget Austin went for £4 million with 6 months of his contract left, a dodgy knee and £110k a week contract!!

I'm reliably informed by an insider at St Mary's that Austin is getting nowhere near £110k a week.  Try 50% of that and you'd be a lot closer.  Might have got a  very chunky signing-on fee though because of the low transfer fee.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 21, 2016, 04:32:59 PM
The key thing is that Ings was a regular starter for Burnley in the Premier League the season prior to his move to Liverpool but the things you are saying about Berahino are entirely true but two years out of date by the time we get to a tribunal.

And that is the key IMO
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 21, 2016, 04:33:34 PM
You don't know that for sure. Anyway, to date, we have not received a single bid for Saido, so it's all academic. The Telegraph are now reporting that Newcastle have now pulled out, which seems to leave, errrr, no suitors as far as I can see

From the horses mouth.

I agree with regards Berahino. I can't see anyone taking a punt now. It will be down to the man management skills of Pulis and Berahino himself to knuckle down and get back in the side. He's our best striker by a mile IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2016, 04:34:55 PM
The key thing is that Ings was a regular starter for Burnley in the Premier League the season prior to his move to Liverpool but the things you are saying about Berahino are entirely true but two years out of date by the time we get to a tribunal.

Ings had only had one season in the PL and didn't exactly set the world on fire with 20 goals as far as I recall.

It will never get as far as a tribunal, but I'm with JP on this one, and at the end of its (indirectly) his money to risk, not yours and not mine.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 21, 2016, 04:36:03 PM
Wrong.  The finer detail is important.  The bit you've left out and which Odemwingie overlooked was that it was dependent on us signing a replacement.  If I recall correctly, it was Junior Hoillet who declined a move to us (I think on loan), but Odemwingie tried to force the deal through regardless.

From what I'm told we moved the goalposts at the death by asking for the Junior Hoilett after we'd agree a straight fee. He declined the move so we pulled the deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 21, 2016, 04:38:43 PM
Ings had only had one season in the PL and didn't exactly set the world on fire with 20 goals as far as I recall.

It will never get as far as a tribunal, but I'm with JP on this one, and at the end of its (indirectly) his money to risk, not yours and not mine.

11 goals in 35 apps in the Prem. What we'd give for that.

What did Burnley get for him out of interest?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 21, 2016, 04:53:58 PM
11 goals in 35 apps in the Prem. What we'd give for that.

What did Burnley get for him out of interest?

Tribunal date hadn't been set as of Nov 2015...can't find anything to say it has happened.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/12014815/Liverpool-prepare-for-tribunal-to-set-fee-for-former-Burnley-striker-Danny-Ings.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 21, 2016, 05:46:02 PM
Ings had only had one season in the PL and didn't exactly set the world on fire with 20 goals as far as I recall.

It will never get as far as a tribunal, but I'm with JP on this one, and at the end of its (indirectly) his money to risk, not yours and not mine.

Actually I agree it won't go to tribunal but at some point we have to take an offer because there isn't a better one coming round the corner and the longer Saido is bit part player the lower his eventual price will be. The problem is his stalled sale will hamper our squads development.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 21, 2016, 06:01:49 PM
Tribunal date hadn't been set as of Nov 2015...can't find anything to say it has happened.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/12014815/Liverpool-prepare-for-tribunal-to-set-fee-for-former-Burnley-striker-Danny-Ings.html

I read that the fee was set at £7mill.... I'll have a look and see if i can find the article
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on January 21, 2016, 06:28:10 PM
4/1 now to stay at albion this transfer window...easy money :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2016, 06:29:15 PM
There's speculation in the NorthEast within the last half hour that Newcastle are making considerable progress with both Townsend and Berahino deals which is contrary to what the Telegraph reported.    Sky Sports News have apparently just mentioned it but I haven't seen that yet
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 21, 2016, 06:34:38 PM
Be stupid to sell him to a rival at the bottom half of league keep him til summer then get rid
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boult on January 21, 2016, 07:24:53 PM
Simple just get rid or put him in the reserves to rot should never play for the first team feed up with hearing about the player
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on January 21, 2016, 07:51:53 PM
How about a swap with Christian Benteke - I think SB would fit in well on Merseyside and Christian is a Pulis type striker! It may also stop him going back on loan to Villa.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on January 21, 2016, 07:56:22 PM
 No good selling him unless we have a decent replacement lined up and the potential clubs come us with serious money - selling to a club below us like Newcastle could be foolish though if it came back to haunt us at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on January 21, 2016, 08:12:32 PM
I think if we could get 15m or above we should take it,and then ring dan Ashcroft and ask him who to spend it on
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 21, 2016, 08:15:08 PM
When people are talking about replacements,  what are we classing as replacing?  Finding a natural goalscorer who has the talent of Berahino isn't easy or cheap. Replacing a bench warmer who doesn't fit the coaches style of play ten a penny.
I've only found Lukaku as having a better strike rate than Berahino in the Premier League this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 21, 2016, 08:29:02 PM
I think if we could get 15m or above we should take it,and then ring dan Ashcroft and ask him who to spend it on
and lock the money away from pulis, I say this because I've just read we are joint favourites to sign 34 yr old peter crouch this January. odds slashed this afternoon.
hope its balls.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 21, 2016, 09:27:40 PM
Peace may be many things but he's not daft. I don't believe he'd only want £30 million as it's an unrealistic price for Berahino.

He 'lost' the Odemwingie saga but really it wasn't that bad and was far less risky. Odemwingie was still sold for decent money in the end when you consider his age/injury history and didn't do much after the move.

Being stubborn with Berahino is different as it means we can lose out on some serious cash which could affect us for a good two seasons or so, whereas Odemwingie was much smaller in comparison.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2016, 10:45:08 PM
and lock the money away from pulis, I say this because I've just read we are joint favourites to sign 34 yr old peter crouch this January. odds slashed this afternoon.
hope its balls.

I'd take Crouch like a shot if it meant we could afford to offload Lambert
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on January 21, 2016, 11:02:45 PM
I'd take Crouch like a shot if it meant we could afford to offload Lambert
exactly, crouch would be our top scorer come the end of the season. Not saying much but.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2016, 11:19:25 PM
exactly, crouch would be our top scorer come the end of the season. Not saying much but.

He seems to have looked after himself pretty well for his age compared to Lambert.  Still a handful to play against especially with Rondon
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 22, 2016, 06:23:12 AM
I'd take Crouch like a shot if it meant we could afford to offload Lambert

I take that as well
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 22, 2016, 09:09:05 AM
Good piece from Pat Murphy on the BBC Sport Website. Formatting is awful mind.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35378312 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35378312)

Saido Berahino: Will West Brom sell striker in January?

By Pat Murphy
BBC Radio 5 live
It's a saga that has occupied two transfer windows.
One of England's most talented young forwards is waiting to see if his faltering career is going to be revived before the January transfer window shuts with a much-mooted transfer.
But is Saido Berahino really on his way out of West Brom?
Will he leave in January?

On balance, I don't think so.
The key to all this is the intransigence of West Brom's chairman, whose writ runs largest at the club.
Jeremy Peace has long been irritated at the attitude of bigger clubs as they cherry-pick precocious young talent from the smaller fry - in West Brom's case, Chelsea and Liverpool snapping up Izzy Brown and Jerome Sinclair respectively in recent years.
Those experiences led Peace to question what the point of West Brom actually having an academy was, as it seemed to operate just as a feeder.
Peace was angered at Tottenham's negotiating stance during the last transfer window, feeling there were too many complications - and that the supposed fee of £23m would take several years to be realised.
His hard-line stance may have frustrated Berahino - who threatened never to play for West Brom again - but many commended the chairman for sticking up for his club.
All about Berahino
Born: 4 August 1993, Bujumbura, Burundi
At the age of 10, Berahino travelled to England to be reunited with his mother, sisters and brother who had also fled their war-torn homeland
He joined West Brom's academy at under-12s, signing a professional contract in the summer of 2011
Berahino represented England at various levels after making his debut for the under-16s, and was part of the squad which won the 2010 Under-17s European Championship. He also played at the 2011 Under-20s World Cup in Colombia.
Berahino made his debut for West Brom in late August 2012, coming on as a substitute against Yeovil in a League Cup tie
Who has shown an interest in signing him?

This time round, Newcastle, Chelsea and Tottenham.
I understand Peace and the Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy have resumed their cordial relationship that was sullied in September. Both tough negotiators accept it was merely business.
The proposed fee remains a complication. All possible suitors are looking to pay less than £20m, given Berahino's inability to start many first-team matches this season.
But Peace believes the player's potential still justifies an asking price of more than £20m. His captain, former Manchester United midfielder Darren Fletcher, thinks Berahino is one of the most natural goalscorers he's played with - and Fletcher's known a few.
Crucially, despite all the speculation this month, West Brom have not received a bid. And Peace's stance hasn't altered. He doesn't want to sell Berahino unless it's a head-turning offer.
West Brom striker Saido Berahino
Berahino has come off the bench for nine of his 17 Premier League appearances this season
What does the player himself want?

To leave West Brom this month and it appears his preference remains Tottenham. Getting an England call-up last season broadened his ambitions.
His grievance is not with head coach Tony Pulis - whose score on the Saido's-a smashing-lad-ometer gets bigger every week. It's with Peace.
West Brom manager Tony Pulis on Berahino:
"The problem Saido has is in the way he's gone about it. He's not shown the respect to people around this club that he should have. It's unfortunate that Saido's been exploited by a system I've said I don't like and I think it should be changed." 11 September 2015
"He's nowhere near what he was last year physically or mentally. If he stays, you hope you get a Saido who realises the club and the supporters, who've been wonderful to him - need him." 23 December 2015
"He's lucky to be on the bench, never mind starting. He's a smashing kid but lets himself down at times." 28 December 2015
How keen are West Brom to keep him?

Very keen. Forget the whispers that his team-mates want shot of him.
Professional footballers are basically pragmatists and a fit, motivated Berahino improves the side.
He was player of the year last season and his team-mates would live with his idiosyncrasies if he could deliver again.
My view is that Berahino is the most natural goalscorer West Brom have had in the top flight since the days of Tony Brown and Cyrille Regis more than 30 years ago.
The chairman's bloody-minded enough to see this one through, even as far as the end of next season when Berahino's contract is up.
Peace is keeping a keen eye on the imminent tribunal ruling on Danny Ings' fee following his move from Burnley to Liverpool last summer. Liverpool are offering £4m, while Burnley want £10m.
Peace believes West Brom, having nurtured Berahino since he was 12, would deserve a tribunal fee of at least £10m to compensate for all the hard work developing Berahino's talent and recent aggravations. Peace is not known for blinking first when hardball's on the agenda.
Berahino's recent performances
Premier League 2015/16   Premier League 2014/15
Source: Opta
Appearances
17 (8 starts)
38 (32 starts)
Minutes played
802
2929
Goals scored
3
14
Minutes per goal
267.3
209.2
Shooting accuracy
63.6
53.6
Total passes made
210
774
Touches
353
1273
How will this go down with the fans?

It's difficult to generalise about a large fan base. Many are totally disaffected by Berahino and the accompanying baggage, yet in scoring 20 goals last season he won a few over.
If he helped West Brom have a good FA Cup run and consolidated a respectable place in the Premier League, memories would be selectively short.
Pulis would have no problems keeping Berahino in his squad. His problem would be lining up a replacement over the next few days.
I would have thought he and his recruitment team must go for someone by the middle of next week if Berahino is to get his move. Peace will not want a frantic trolley dash in the last hours of the transfer window.
So the clock is ticking. It seems to me Peace is in charge here - and he won't be bounced into anything by agitation from agents, clubs who want to do complicated, staggered payments or a young player who's got the hump.
In my opinion, it will be a refreshing change to the current tendency of big clubs getting what they want in the end.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mrmojorisin on January 22, 2016, 09:16:40 AM
I really love that last sentence.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 22, 2016, 09:33:52 AM
That's a fair feature. Its worrying that he is our second top goal scorer given the amount of time he has spent on the bench!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 22, 2016, 10:21:59 AM
I generally admire Peace's stance and it is because we are financially well run club that we don't have to roll over on this or any other transfer. Viewed in isolation his stand is admirable and if Berahino was playing somewhere close to his potential sustainable, although if that were the case I am sure a suitable bid would be made by someone.

The problem is twofold firstly Berahino is barely playing and has demonstrated temperament issues which will keep bids low or just scare the bigger clubs off all together.  Secondly Berahino is not the only issue we have  with squad and his transfer is part of the log jam that is stopping us address those issues certainly this window and possibly into the next. In short without a resolution to the Berahino situation we will not have a clear run at the next window in much the same way as we did not in this or last summer.

The Ings case demonstrates why we should not let this go to tribunal. Firstly Burnley still don't know what they will get and it will not be £10m (which is the bare minimum the player would be worth with 2 years left on his contract). Secondly Berahino will arrive at the tribunal as a bit part player and he might not be signing for a club of the stature of Liverpool. Not to mention if he goes abroad there is no fee whatsoever.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on January 22, 2016, 10:26:43 AM
That's a fair feature. Its worrying that he is our second top goal scorer given the amount of time he has spent on the bench!

What could he do with more time on the pitch??? :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 22, 2016, 10:28:13 AM
What could he do with more time on the pitch??? :-\


loose some timber
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on January 22, 2016, 10:50:18 AM
What could he do with more time on the pitch??? :-\

A lot more than anyone else in our squad in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 22, 2016, 11:08:45 AM
A lot more than anyone else in our squad in my opinion.

If his head and heart are in it I agree. Haven't seen much to suggest they are though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 22, 2016, 11:22:22 AM
I generally admire Peace's stance and it is because we are financially well run club that we don't have to roll over on this or any other transfer. Viewed in isolation his stand is admirable and if Berahino was playing somewhere close to his potential sustainable, although if that were the case I am sure a suitable bid would be made by someone.

The problem is twofold firstly Berahino is barely playing and has demonstrated temperament issues which will keep bids low or just scare the bigger clubs off all together.  Secondly Berahino is not the only issue we have  with squad and his transfer is part of the log jam that is stopping us address those issues certainly this window and possibly into the next. In short without a resolution to the Berahino situation we will not have a clear run at the next window in much the same way as we did not in this or last summer.

The Ings case demonstrates why we should not let this go to tribunal. Firstly Burnley still don't know what they will get and it will not be £10m (which is the bare minimum the player would be worth with 2 years left on his contract). Secondly Berahino will arrive at the tribunal as a bit part player and he might not be signing for a club of the stature of Liverpool. Not to mention if he goes abroad there is no fee whatsoever.

I agree that the sale of Berahino would give some revenue, but I'm not sure that an alleged £15k per week would free up space for additional players under our FFP comittments.
We have other players we could move on who would free up much more in wages, the problem is, it's only Berahino that's saleable at the moment.
I agree with Pat Murphy (on this occasion), it's unlikely he'll be sold this window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 22, 2016, 12:15:44 PM
If his head and heart are in it I agree. Haven't seen much to suggest they are though.

Even a half hearted Berahino is better than anything else we have. Still our joint top scorer despite barely playing. I honestly can't see him going so we need to find a way back in for him. He does need to help himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: joeymayo on January 22, 2016, 12:47:58 PM
Some people need to realise that with the FFP rules it would be better if either one of Poc, Gamboa, Chester, Lambert, Sick Vic, Macmanaman and any other player on a salary over and above that of Berahino would be of more benefit, recruitment wise, that if he were to stay.
I admire the club's stance on this. Sometimes players need to engage their brains before either opening their mouths or displaying acts of pure ineptitude to try and get their own way.
Saido is a low fund player and the club will have the ace cards in this situation - he needs to accept that - and either sign another contract, reputedly on a bigger wage, or get his preferred destination club to stump up the cash the club wants.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 22, 2016, 05:35:05 PM
The wage cap in under Premier League FFP only applies to increases funded by the broadcast contract profits on player sales could be used to fund an increase in wages. As any fee we get for Saido will be all profit and booked as such this year it could fund an increase in our current wage bill. This is why the structure of the fee is important if there are contingent elements in the fee (add-on's)these are only booked as profit when they are triggered.

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 22, 2016, 05:55:53 PM
The wage cap in under Premier League FFP only applies to increases funded by the broadcast contract profits on player sales could be used to fund an increase in wages. As any fee we get for Saido will be all profit and booked as such this year it could fund an increase in our current wage bill. This is why the structure of the fee is important if there are contingent elements in the fee (add-on's)these are only booked as profit when they are triggered.

Said this the other day mate, people are getting bogged down in the £4 million a year increase.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 22, 2016, 06:20:41 PM
The wage cap in under Premier League FFP only applies to increases funded by the broadcast contract profits on player sales could be used to fund an increase in wages. As any fee we get for Saido will be all profit and booked as such this year it could fund an increase in our current wage bill. This is why the structure of the fee is important if there are contingent elements in the fee (add-on's)these are only booked as profit when they are triggered.

So how does that work if next year we don't have a Saido to sell for a £20m profit, and have used that £20m to buy players and take on new wages on 4-year contracts without the extra income in years 2, 3 and 4 to pay for those extra wages?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 22, 2016, 06:57:23 PM
I've said before, our most natural goalscorer but doesn't fit into our current style of play and is therefore wasted. If we can get £20M for a bench warmer snap their hands off (or failing that get him on the pitch playing!)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 22, 2016, 08:49:10 PM
I've said before, our most natural goalscorer but doesn't fit into our current style of play and is therefore wasted. If we can get £20M for a bench warmer snap their hands off (or failing that get him on the pitch playing!)
agree 100% either play him or sell him,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 23, 2016, 12:47:00 AM
So how does that work if next year we don't have a Saido to sell for a £20m profit, and have used that £20m to buy players and take on new wages on 4-year contracts without the extra income in years 2, 3 and 4 to pay for those extra wages?

There will be a new cap with the new deal which I guess will be higher than the current £4m increase. It only refers to an increase and only applies if that increase is funded by the growth in broadcast income rather than any of the other sources of income that a club has. So if your wage bill is £80m it is capped at £84m the following year so in theory we could spend the entire profit from the sale of Saido this year to pay wages.

It is a really badly thought through rule and it hits us particularly hard because the vast bulk of our income comes from the TV deal. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 23, 2016, 05:01:54 PM
Anyone still think this guy gives a flying f*ck about the club or the fans? Doesn't deserve anything from us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 23, 2016, 05:12:32 PM
I don't expect him to win 50/50's but i also don't expect him to bottle tackles against Villa.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: letmereadposts on January 23, 2016, 05:13:25 PM
Anyone still think this guy gives a flying f*ck about the club or the fans? Doesn't deserve anything from us.

Surprised at some of the previous reactions Garner has received in comparison to Saido. He doesn't care.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 23, 2016, 05:18:51 PM
I don't expect him to win 50/50's but i also don't expect him to bottle tackles against Villa.

He stands around looking like he's never seen a sodding ball in his life. He doesn't have a clue. Doesn't want to be here, doesn't want to work hard. He's a useless, lazy, childish bag of pooh. There's 50/50s and bottling, then there's not bothering to even attempt to move around the pitch.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 23, 2016, 05:20:04 PM
He stands around looking like he's never seen a sodding ball in his life. He doesn't have a clue. Doesn't want to be here, doesn't want to work hard. He's a useless, lazy, childish bag of pooh. There's 50/50s and bottling, then there's not bothering to even attempt to move around the pitch.
Agree , sad to see it end like this but time to go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on January 23, 2016, 05:27:39 PM
Nobody will sign him. We will sign nobody.

Does anybody seriously think anybody will meet our valuation of him? If he plays as little as he is through to the end of the season we surely can't ask for that much money for him in summer let alone this January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on January 23, 2016, 05:42:05 PM
Agree , sad to see it end like this but time to go.
Still looks more likely to score than Rondon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 23, 2016, 05:50:03 PM
Still looks more likely to score than Rondon.
Not if todays anything to go by.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 23, 2016, 05:51:43 PM
Nobody will sign him. We will sign nobody.

Does anybody seriously think anybody will meet our valuation of him? If he plays as little as he is through to the end of the season we surely can't ask for that much money for him in summer let alone this January.
These are my thoughts exactly. Can't imagine for a moment that anyone will buy him. To my knowledge, we haven't even had a bid for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on January 23, 2016, 05:52:37 PM
If any scouts just saw his performance today noone will offer more than 5m for him, the spoilt brat.

I can forgive a lot bu tbottling stuff...😲
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on January 23, 2016, 05:55:10 PM
Not if todays anything to go by.
I'm not doubting how much running Rondon puts in, but how many chances does he create for himself, and what percentage of shots does Rondon get on target?
One in 10?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 23, 2016, 06:00:19 PM
I'm not doubting how much running Rondon puts in, but how many chances does he create for himself, and what percentage of shots does Rondon get on target?
One in 10?
Even before Spursgate Berahino wasn't the sort to create his own chances, possibly a better finisher but not overall player for me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on January 23, 2016, 06:01:26 PM
Probably wouldn't get tuppeny sixpence for him now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PepeMel on January 23, 2016, 06:02:15 PM
Premier league he's having a laugh
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on January 23, 2016, 06:10:49 PM
Even before Spursgate Berahino wasn't the sort to create his own chances, possibly a better finisher but not overall player for me.
Well Rondon is hardly an overall player on the evidence so far. What we have to consider is that if Berahino goes, Rondon is our main striker. How many goals will he score this season? It's all right having these forwards who hold the ball up, Anichebe is another one, but at the end of the day, someone has to put the ball in the net.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 23, 2016, 06:13:39 PM
He stands around looking like he's never seen a sodding ball in his life. He doesn't have a clue. Doesn't want to be here, doesn't want to work hard. He's a useless, lazy, childish bag of pooh. There's 50/50s and bottling, then there's not bothering to even attempt to move around the pitch.

I just want him out of the club, you get these idiots like Sinclair on the BBC saying that the club hasn't handled it very well, so Trevor Sinclair has the club mate him turn up late for training and matches, such as today, and not train properly and get over weight. Berahino doesn't have a positive brain cell. I have said this before he has affectively gone on strike at the club that has developed him and supported him from an early age. No Sinclair if he had conducted himself properly and professionally then he would have surely got his move but now it looks like no one in the top six of the premier league will touch him with a bargepole. So it looks as though it would have to be a desperate club like Newcastle. I don't care about how much money we get for him anymore, lets just get this brain dead cretin out of our club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 23, 2016, 06:15:48 PM
Well Rondon is hardly an overall player on the evidence so far. What we have to consider is that if Berahino goes, Rondon is our main striker. How many goals will he score this season? It's all right having these forwards who hold the ball up, Anichebe is another one, but at the end of the day, someone has to put the ball in the net.
in case you hadn't noticed, Rondon IS our main striker. Berahino doesn't want to play for us, so get used to it. The Berahino of last year has gone forever
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 23, 2016, 06:50:31 PM
Well Rondon is hardly an overall player on the evidence so far. What we have to consider is that if Berahino goes, Rondon is our main striker. How many goals will he score this season? It's all right having these forwards who hold the ball up, Anichebe is another one, but at the end of the day, someone has to put the ball in the net.
Im not saying Rondon is the answer but he needs a creative , consistent number 10 behind him. Nothing id love more than Saido to start banging them in but i doubt that will happen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on January 23, 2016, 07:02:05 PM
He is a disgrace to the shirt fat, lazy arrogant git who doesn"t want to play for us backing out of tackles not trying and saying in the press this morning that going to Newcastle was progression!! and to all the ones singing his name and cheering him pathetic i hope he never wears the shirt again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 23, 2016, 07:05:13 PM
He is a disgrace to the shirt fat, lazy arrogant git who doesn"t want to play for us backing out of tackles not trying and saying in the press this morning that going to Newcastle was progression!! and to all the ones singing his name and cheering him pathetic i hope he never wears the shirt again.

I cringe when I hear people sing his name. How much more can one player disrespect the fans and club?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 23, 2016, 07:24:39 PM
He is a disgrace to the shirt fat, lazy arrogant git who doesn"t want to play for us backing out of tackles not trying and saying in the press this morning that going to Newcastle was progression!! and to all the ones singing his name and cheering him pathetic i hope he never wears the shirt again.
lets hope it progresses to Newcastle making a bid, need to get shut of this brainless twonk asap. if ever a player was bound to self destruct its this twonk.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on January 23, 2016, 07:30:16 PM
yet some fans still clap him and sing his name , not me he doesnt want to be here simple as that .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 23, 2016, 07:31:15 PM
It is almost worth shoving him out on loan to a League 2 team.
That is about his worth, now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 23, 2016, 07:39:08 PM
He looked terrible today, his touches were awful and you could tell he hasn't played much regular football.

I hope for his sake he moves on because he is rotting here. It's a shame seeing that happen to such a talent but it looks like his attitude is slowly beginning to creep up on him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 07:59:42 PM
Pat Murphy confirmed no bids and it will take a head turning offer to get Peace to the table. Virtually certain he'll stay this window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 23, 2016, 08:03:23 PM
It is almost worth shoving him out on loan to a League 2 team.
That is about his worth, now.
how about a swap with keymar roofe.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 23, 2016, 08:05:00 PM
He looked terrible today, his touches were awful and you could tell he hasn't played much regular football.

I hope for his sake he moves on because he is rotting here. It's a shame seeing that happen to such a talent but it looks like his attitude is slowly beginning to creep up on him.

A shame? He's nobody to blame but himself. That wasn't rustiness today. That wasn't lack of game time. That's pure laziness, lack of desire to play for us, and a man who is sulking and is putting his career second to anything else.

He isn't interested, makes no effort and hasn't all season. He looks clueless at the moment, like he's forgotten how to play football, wandering slowly about, bottling tackles. That's not from lack of playing, it's lack of giving a damn.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2016, 08:08:27 PM
Was extremely poor when he came on today, bottling tackles and getting caught in possession... Not going anywhere though so might as well get behind him. Says a lot when we became more ineffective with Anichebe and Berahino on instead of Rondon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on January 23, 2016, 08:16:21 PM
A shame? He's nobody to blame but himself. That wasn't rustiness today. That wasn't lack of game time. That's pure laziness, lack of desire to play for us, and a man who is sulking and is putting his career second to anything else.

He isn't interested, makes no effort and hasn't all season. He looks clueless at the moment, like he's forgotten how to play football, wandering slowly about, bottling tackles. That's not from lack of playing, it's lack of giving a damn.

Yet we still have people changing his name and slagging off brunt and Gardner. Ridiculous. I hope we sell him for whatever price.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on January 23, 2016, 08:43:38 PM
anbody scounting him today surely wont bother making a bid,looked totally out of sorts,carrying too much weight,our forward department is looking pretty poor,like it or not the only forward we ever had who could beat a man and create his own chance in our premier league tenancy is still odemthingie
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 23, 2016, 09:03:35 PM
Saido was good in the past, but he must has been sniffing too much gas, and it has affected his brain.

What brain?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 23, 2016, 09:33:34 PM
I'm afraid he will become one of the nearly men that should have made a much bigger impact in the game than he now will.

A player that should have developed into a top Premier League talent but let his attitude ruin it all, instead of being an backside after his failed move to Spurs he should have knuckled down and done all he could to get back among the goals and make sure someone higher in the league would take a punt on him. Instead he has wasted over 6 months of his career and completely let himself go physically and no one in the Premier League should want to take him on after the way he has reacted to not getting a move.

He only has himself to blame for the way his career is headed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 23, 2016, 09:45:25 PM
I'm afraid he will become one of the nearly men that should have made a much bigger impact in the game than he now will.

A player that should have developed into a top Premier League talent but let his attitude ruin it all, instead of being an backside after his failed move to Spurs he should have knuckled down and done all he could to get back among the goals and make sure someone higher in the league would take a punt on him. Instead he has wasted over 6 months of his career and completely let himself go physically and no one in the Premier League should want to take him on after the way he has reacted to not getting a move.

He only has himself to blame for the way his career is headed.

Yes spot on, but of course according to these so called experts on the BBC it is the clubs fault for not handling the situation correctly, these people who know nothing about our great club. BS.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on January 24, 2016, 07:30:40 AM
The penny dont drop with him does it.

I think fans forgive a lot of off the field stuff but when you cant be bothered to try on the pitch, you are taking the p**s out the club.

Sad thing is a half motivated Berahino is better than any other striker, yet at the moment he isnt even half motivated and is getting worse. If i was Pulis i would punish him until it sinks in, every day he was late for training, wait for him to turn up, tell him he is fined a weeks wages and to go back home. Same on matchdays, every time he turns up late, say thanks for coming but your not needed, your fined now off you pop back home and it would seem when he is in those moods, it shows on the pitch as he does nothing.

Pulis keep putting him on the bench is a concern, if he is a big t**t as reported and by some of Pulis comments it would seem he is, banish him til he changes, Berahino will think i can do what i want and make the squad anyway, it keeps people talking about him, as i say when he is in his idiot mode we dont miss him anyway. A interested or even half interested Berahino is a different story.

I know people say he is a valuable asset, he is only valuable if others want to buy him, if he is still here end of the window, then if his attitude stays the same, personally i would make him train on his own away from the club, he is on £15k a week, we have others in the squad who earn more than that and dont play so that shouldnt be a factor.

Make him come in two afternoons a week when the other players have gone, beast him and see how he responds, if you see improvement get him back in with the squad, if you dont keep doing it, i think he probably has too many people kissing his backside and been nice to him and its created a arrogant, unprofessional git, maybe he needs some tough love, it will do him good in the long run.

I remember when Fletcher first joined, the first few months it was said he was going to act as Saido mentor, Pulis was making the right noises too but even they seem to of give up on him, people will only stand so much, its happened a lot and he has to realise for himself.

In his world god is great and he loves him mum, surely people around him who care about him must shake him up, he has a talent for scoring goals which if he sorts his attitude out would mean most the country would want him, he has the talent but things like turning up late, not being arsed on the pitch is not only bad manners, its unprofessional and disrespectful and if he was a relative or friend of mine i would be telling him that, not just a lesson in football, in life itself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 24, 2016, 08:58:53 AM
You can all jump up and down and say what you like, the facts are he is our biggest assets and our best player.
If it were your money you wouldn't stick him in the reserves nor would you let his contract run or send him to league two.
I get why many are upset but the overreaction to this guy is amazing, you might not like him, you might not like ODEMWINGIE but the facts are they are top players and we were lucky to have both.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 24, 2016, 09:11:05 AM
You can all jump up and down and say what you like, the facts are he is our biggest assets and our best player.
If it were your money you wouldn't stick him in the reserves nor would you let his contract run or send him to league two.
I get why many are upset but the overreaction to this guy is amazing, you might not like him, you might not like ODEMWINGIE but the facts are they are top players and we were lucky to have both.
Can't be compared footballing wise with Pete ,  he was on another level to Saido as an overall player and did it around the world scoring goals .Pete wasn't a one season wonder either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on January 24, 2016, 09:27:34 AM
Biggest asset and best player when on the pitch.

Sadly for three months now he is not deemed fit to play even when we have other strikers who cant hit a barn door between them. I dont think its an overreaction when a 22 year old earning massive money cannot even be bothered to turn up on time (reguarly), keep himself fit and try in a local derby, i think the reaction is justified.

If he doesnt go this window its down to him, he has six months til the next window, he can either use those six months to work hard, get back in the team and come the summer get a move to a decent team.

If he carries on like he has the last few months where he is clearly not doing even the minimum required then during those six months then i would punish him until he does, we couldnt sell him even if we wanted to in that period so if it was my money i wouldnt be paying him his full wage when he cannot do his job properly, ie - fine him when he isnt on time.

If nobody buys him it doesnt matter what he is deemed to be worth by us. If he still here in the summer we could still probably get £12m plus i would insert a big sell on fee incase he fulfills his undoubted potential.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on January 24, 2016, 09:51:08 AM
For me we either do one of two things with him - get him back in the team scoring goals and get him back into shape, if for nothing else just to keep his value up for summer. If that really isn't an option though I think we'd be better off doing what Albion79 says and getting Leko or Roberts on the bench in his place.

Pulis said Nabi was sold because of his lack of first team exposure in England, well here's a great opportunity to give one of our younger lads with hunger (for the game rather than food) a chance.

Either play him, because we need goals or break him and hope that he might see the error of his ways.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on January 24, 2016, 11:02:43 AM
Even a half hearted Berahino is better than anything else we have. Still our joint top scorer despite barely playing. I honestly can't see him going so we need to find a way back in for him. He does need to help himself.
We saw an half hearted  Berahino yesterday do you still think he is better than anyone else?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 24, 2016, 11:18:11 AM
everyone claiming he couldnt be aresed, lazy, half hearted, dont wanna play for us, pulling out of tackles etc etc judging his performance against villa... in the 26 mins he played for us yesterday he done about as much as nearly every other player in our squad in 90 mins which was F ALL! do people not realise hes the only striker we have that can score goals? comes to something when we aint been playing him and our defenders are scoring as much as our bloody strikers!

im sure everyone would have loved the bolloc*s off him if he came on and pinched the winner?

sick of hearing and seeing "our own supporters" (if thats what you want to call yourselves) slating our players, regardless of what they have done or what the media claim they have done, our own fans abusing our own players is a disgrace!

Got a guy who has a season ticket right behind me, week in week out he slates most players and constantly praises brunt and olsson, the same olsson that constantly makes mistakes, bad decisions and poor passes. ridiculous.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on January 24, 2016, 01:04:29 PM
On the other hand refusing to criticise a player who
A) Drunk Drove
B) Inhaled laughing gas
C) Threatened to go on strike
D) Consistently late for training and meetings
E) Puts clearly less effort into matches than any other player in the squad
F) Insulted the chairman and the club, and by association the fans
G) Clearly wants nothing to do with West Bromwich Albion
H) Gets paid around 1 million pound a year despite all of this and feels he deserves more (that money is indirectly fans money too)

Is arguably more of a disgrace
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 24, 2016, 03:01:40 PM
everyone claiming he couldnt be aresed, lazy, half hearted, dont wanna play for us, pulling out of tackles etc etc judging his performance against villa... in the 26 mins he played for us yesterday he done about as much as nearly every other player in our squad in 90 mins which was F ALL! do people not realise hes the only striker we have that can score goals? comes to something when we aint been playing him and our defenders are scoring as much as our bloody strikers!

im sure everyone would have loved the bolloc*s off him if he came on and pinched the winner?

sick of hearing and seeing "our own supporters" (if thats what you want to call yourselves) slating our players, regardless of what they have done or what the media claim they have done, our own fans abusing our own players is a disgrace!

Got a guy who has a season ticket right behind me, week in week out he slates most players and constantly praises brunt and olsson, the same olsson that constantly makes mistakes, bad decisions and poor passes. ridiculous.

I think it's you that needs to realise something.
The little git doesn't want to be here.
We will not get any effort or enthusiasm from him for the remaining days he is here.
The only reason that he gets on the pitch is that we don't have anybody else to put in there.
The fact that he can't be bothered to turn up on time for training and team meetings tells you everything you need to know about the total lack of respect he has for his fellow professionals, his management and the fans.
More over he can have very little respect for himself the way he's been behaving.
He thinks that respect equates to a pocket full f £50 notes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on January 24, 2016, 03:42:54 PM
Quote
sick of hearing and seeing "our own supporters" (if thats what you want to call yourselves) slating our players, regardless of what they have done or what the media claim they have done, our own fans abusing our own players is a disgrace!

Got a guy who has a season ticket right behind me, week in week out he slates most players and constantly praises brunt and olsson, the same olsson that constantly makes mistakes, bad decisions and poor passes. ridiculous.

The words 'pot'. 'black' and 'kettle' come to mind.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 24, 2016, 05:40:00 PM
Newcastle rumoured to be about to bid £7m for Gomis from Swansea - can't see them wanting Berahino if they succeed
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on January 24, 2016, 06:03:08 PM
by the looks of it he is going nowhere . wasted half a season already .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 24, 2016, 07:01:53 PM
I think it's you that needs to realise something.
The little git doesn't want to be here.
We will not get any effort or enthusiasm from him for the remaining days he is here.
The only reason that he gets on the pitch is that we don't have anybody else to put in there.
The fact that he can't be bothered to turn up on time for training and team meetings tells you everything you need to know about the total lack of respect he has for his fellow professionals, his management and the fans.
More over he can have very little respect for himself the way he's been behaving.
He thinks that respect equates to a pocket full f £50 notes

most people said that about sess a few months back, now they all love him... so i dont know what point your trying to make really.. he dont turn up on time for training and team meetings, maybe hes been late once or twice, 99.9% of people are late for work at some point in there life but because the press slate him its all true and he means to be late?  maybe the 'little git' dont want to be here, would you want to stay at your work place if everyone gave you abuse whenever they saw you?

i dont understand what your telling me i need to realise? or are you saying we have to get rid and fill the team with a bunch of sh*t players because they turn up an hour early, lick pulis' backside and run there socks off for 90 mins but not actually doing anything half decent then go over to praise the same fans that have been hurling abuse at them for 90 mins?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 24, 2016, 07:04:58 PM
Quote from: IrememberJohnny Nicholls link=topic=12311.msg436792#msg436792


The words 'pot'. 'black' and 'kettle' come to mind.


no it doesn't not if you read it properly. not once have i shouted abuse at any player in all the years ive been a season ticket holder. My point is... theres fans who will slate players regardless of what they do good or bad but then praise players that are actually playing poor because they have a lovely attitude and smile at the fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 24, 2016, 08:00:18 PM
Pretty sure Berahino got a standing ovation when he came on, and several Saido songs prior to the substitution, considering how he's carrying himself, he's getting plenty of support from the stands.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 25, 2016, 06:28:36 AM
most people said that about sess a few months back, now they all love him... so i dont know what point your trying to make really.. he dont turn up on time for training and team meetings, maybe hes been late once or twice, 99.9% of people are late for work at some point in there life but because the press slate him its all true and he means to be late?  maybe the 'little git' dont want to be here, would you want to stay at your work place if everyone gave you abuse whenever they saw you?

i dont understand what your telling me i need to realise? or are you saying we have to get rid and fill the team with a bunch of sh*t players because they turn up an hour early, lick pulis' backside and run there socks off for 90 mins but not actually doing anything half decent then go over to praise the same fans that have been hurling abuse at them for 90 mins?

He doesn't want to be here.
Plain enough?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on January 25, 2016, 10:32:55 AM
Let's just hope one of the bigger clubs is looking at him as a longer term prospect - you wouldn't go for him to get you out of  a relegation scrap, would you?  I really do want him gone now, it is seriously taking everyone's eye off the ball.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 10:46:29 AM
Saturday's performance from him says all you need to know about the kid, he jumped out of the way several times to avoid physical contact.

As for the state of him, i can only think that someone has been filling his balloons with custard. He's in shocking condition for a young footballer -totally unprofessional.

The kid is his own worst enemy and will lose his career because of it. An utter idiot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on January 25, 2016, 12:59:08 PM
I don't think he will move until the summer, unless silly money is offered! We are not that desperate to get rid in my opinion!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 25, 2016, 02:07:05 PM
He doesn't want to be here.
Plain enough?

But he is here, he is a West Bromwich Albion player... That's the only plain FACT we have.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on January 25, 2016, 03:17:42 PM
But he is here, he is a West Bromwich Albion player... That's the only plain FACT we have.

Unfortunately!!!

If the sum of his effort he is prepared to put in equals that which he put in when he came on Saturday, he really is finished at this club (if he wasn't already).

He could take a dump through your nans letterbox and some would still cheer for him. He has made it clear on numerous occasions he doesn't want to be here, and hasn't done it in a respectful way to club and fans! I can forgive anyone for being pooh, but I can't forgive or support someone who doesn't give his all. There are big question marks over Rondon, but one thing you can't deny is he tries his hardest. Whether he is going to be good enough is another matter, but I'd much prefer to get behind someone like him than a jumped up little turd like Berahino!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 25, 2016, 05:21:48 PM
It's got to be him  ;D

The part about the Manager has been posted in the Tony Pulis section of the forum.

Strange case of star player caught in middle of chairman-manager transfer standoff

There is a manager in the Premier League right now, a manager who is causing problems for his club.

The manager wants to sell one of the club’s star players. He hasn’t been playing him but, for everyone on the outside looking in, he should have been.

It doesn’t make sense, right? Read on …

Apparently, the player has been training well, according to reports that I’ve heard. He’s got his head down lately but that might be because it’s January and he wants to leave. In fact, I know he wants to leave.

The players in the changing-room tell me that he wants to leave and they tell me that they want him to leave because he is a troublemaker. That isn’t a secret, either, because his reputation is that of a troublemaker.

But he’s a good player. And the club could really do with him right now.

The chairman doesn’t really want to sell him as he sees the player’s involvement as integral to the club’s Premier League survival. But the manager doesn’t.

But why would a manager want to sell a player who can help him to survive in the Premier League? Well, as you might have guessed, there is a reason for that.

The club in question could expect a transfer fee of around £30 million if they decide to cash in. But the chairman sees the bigger picture, namely that £30 million up front does not make up for £100 million lost if the club goes down.

However, the manager sees that he could have £30 million to spend on new talent. He can get three, maybe four, new players.

But January isn’t a friendly month for recruiting top talent. It is a stopgap month. It is a month that fills in the blanks with “ifs, buts and maybes”.

A cover in the centre-half position in case the first-choice pairing get injured? Sure, why not? For £5 million, it just might save the day.

A striker to come off the bench during the run-in to score a couple of vital goals? Sure, free transfer and a year’s contract on £75,000 a week, easy. It stacks up and makes sense.

It’s a bet that you can’t really lose so long as you can get rid of him if the worst should happen and you’re not massively overexposed for any length of time.

But this player isn’t a stopgap, he is a future star for a big club. Everybody knows it.

And that’s where the problem is. The chairman knows what is happening. He knows what his manager is doing. He knows that if he gives in and sells the player, then the manager will spend the money.

That’s not an inherently bad thing. His problem is that he knows where that money is going.

He knows that if the manager is given the money, he will only buy players that are brought to the club through his agent and, in the process, he will pocket a wacking great windfall through cuts of the transfer fee that he’ll split with his agent.

The chairman knows this and is digging his heels in. Everybody in football knows this.

The chairman knows that the manager will spend the money for the sake of spending it because he may not be there in the summer, anyway, and he wants as big a slice of that £30 million pie as he can get before he’s gone and a new manager comes in and the opportunity is lost.

And this is the problem that chairmen up and down the country have when they employ managers who they know to be stopgaps themselves.

Those managers go in, make hay while the sun shines, do the best they can tactically and take anything that isn’t nailed down with them when they are inevitably fired and the managerial cycle brings about the return to the club of the five-year-plan manager a year or two later.

At this moment, there is no trust between the club and the manager.

The chairman does not want to give him any proceeds from a sale of the player because he wants to maximise his return.

And the manager is trying every trick in the book to have the player sold by making him sit very publicly on the bench while telling the world what a great lad he is and that, at the moment, he just doesn’t fit into the style and shape of the team.

The problem for the chairman, besides having a very expensive asset sat on the bench that he is neither leveraging financially or benefitting from on the pitch, is that it will look incredibly odd if he sacks his manager now.

The manager has actually done OK for the club and, in terms of results, it is certainly a case of better the devil you know when it comes to securing Premier League status this campaign.

The player will be sold one day, probably in the summer, but my guess is that it won’t be while this manager is in charge.

In the meantime, we have to watch the starvation of a talented player caught between the stars and the personal agendas of unscrupulous people at the highest level, at the heart of our game.

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/29898/strange-case-of-star-player-caught-in-middle-of-chairman-manager-transfer-standoff/ (http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/29898/strange-case-of-star-player-caught-in-middle-of-chairman-manager-transfer-standoff/)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 25, 2016, 05:31:30 PM
Apart from the bit about only buying players via the manager's agent. I've never heard that suggested before re Pulis. Has anybody else?  Especially those with Stoke connections who visit this forum?

The Secret Footballer is widely believed to be Dave Kitson.   Yes, a former Stoke player who has played under TP and knows him better than many others.

Fascinating.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 25, 2016, 05:42:51 PM
If Pulis keeps us up and then leaves everyone is a winner.....no? Still my preference.

Question is if we can believe this (if it's Dave Kitson - he had a very public dislike for Pulis so might have an agenda) I'd imagine Pulis would leave if he didn't get his way?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:44:16 PM
Apart from the bit about only buying players via the manager's agent. I've never heard that suggested before re Pulis. Has anybody else?  Especially those with Stoke connections who visit this forum?

The Secret Footballer is widely believed to be Dave Kitson.   Yes, a former Stoke player who has played under TP and knows him better than many others.

Fascinating.

or a player with a grudge using an anonymous place to stick the boot in ?

Personally don't have much time for people who hide behind things like this to slag people off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 25, 2016, 06:01:50 PM
or a player with a grudge using an anonymous place to stick the boot in ?

Personally don't have much time for people who hide behind things like this to slag people off.

Me neither.  They are pretty serious allegations though, although of course  neither TP nor the club are named.  I can think of at least a couple of other current PL managers who I would say are more likely candidates (one in the North East, one in London) but neither of seem to have the element of the £30m young striker.

Gets more interesting by the minute and would explain a lot....

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 25, 2016, 06:17:23 PM
The bit which doesn't sit right is that the chairman in the article believes the team gave a better chance of staying up with the (unhappy, overweight, under-performing) striker. Not sure Peace would feel qualified to pick the team - he's usually stayed away from such matters?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on January 25, 2016, 06:19:21 PM
The thing that doesn't wash in this story is that even if not playing the player might pressurise the chairman to cash in, it hardly adds to the value of the player  or encourages suitors. Currently there are no bids and I can't see them matching either the valuation of Peace or leave Pulis with megabucks to re-invest, surely the less he plays the more they will err on the side of being structured payments.  Also I'm not convinced that Peace sees Pulis as a 'stopgap' manager.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 25, 2016, 06:30:51 PM
Regardless of the current stage of the season, I find it very difficult to believe that JP suspects this is TP's game and has not sacked him for gross misconduct.

Further to this if this supposed manager's dealings are so well known within the game then I can't imagine JP would have hired him in the first place.

I know JP is desperate for survival and the associated cash, but I just don't see him putting up with such a scenario as depicted by the not very secret footballer.

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2016, 08:13:02 PM
I too cringe at the chanting of his name - I wonder how many were chanting it when he was bottling the 50/50s on Saturday?

He needs to be sold for the good of the club. He's a bag egg and has an attitude which quite frankly stinks the place out.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 25, 2016, 08:16:27 PM
Townsend to Newcastle seems to be a done deal tonight

Spurs to now finally make a proper bid?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 25, 2016, 08:23:44 PM
Who in their right mind would want to buy him?
He is just a player with a bad attitude and too much baggage.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 25, 2016, 08:55:55 PM
Can't be compared footballing wise with Pete ,  he was on another level to Saido as an overall player and did it around the world scoring goals .Pete wasn't a one season wonder either.
Never compared , merely stating we have been lucky to have both.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on January 25, 2016, 09:05:52 PM
I thought this was a transfer thread not a conspiracy thread! The things put on here could be seen as libel.
Peace would  have him through the door in a flash if the allegations were true.
As pulis says himself the chairman makes the final decisions because its his club!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 09:07:46 PM
I thought this was a transfer thread not a conspiracy thread! The things put on here could be seen as libel.
Peace would  have him through the door in a flash if the allegations were true.
As pulis says himself the chairman makes the final decisions because its his club!

Totally agree and there will be no complaints I hope when posts are removed. Its okay this secret footballer hiding behind a website, amn up and show yourself if you want to be taken serious.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 25, 2016, 09:15:10 PM
I thought this was a transfer thread not a conspiracy thread! The things put on here could be seen as libel.
Peace would  have him through the door in a flash if the allegations were true.
As pulis says himself the chairman makes the final decisions because its his club!
But if chairman a respects (not likes) the job that manager b does, then would he not keep in place to secure the upswing in £ next season?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 09:16:40 PM
But if chairman a respects (not likes) the job that manager b does, then would he not keep in place to secure the upswing in £ next season?

I wouldn't have thought so if it meant it impacted on the money his club are spending.

So Berahino then eh ?? be nice to actually stick to a topic wouldn't it  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 25, 2016, 09:19:12 PM
On topic, I'd rather TP went than Saido.
In terms of potential we are already at the glass ceiling with TP, Saido could and should have a prolific 10 years in front of him, now I don't think he has been that bad a lad, but if we could get someone in like a Defoe /Ian Wright figure it would pay us back treble.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wimbledon baggie on January 25, 2016, 09:39:21 PM
I'm not buying that secret footballer inside story at all.

Just a  journo writing a story backwards with a conspiracy theory.

Look at the amazing turn around TP Had at Palace using the fast wingers. SB is not playing ball with the structure/tactics and that is one of the reasons he is on the bench.

My mates lad is in the Palace academy and he has it on good authority that TP left suddenly when Parish tried to pay his bonus in installments over the season when Tony felt he had earned it fair and square.

I'm just baffled why we have this mind numbing defensive approach...SB should be a future megastar, he has an amazing gift, but he seems intent on wasting it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 25, 2016, 09:39:27 PM
People really do have a grudge against TP if they'd rather he'd go than Berahino.

Berahino has insulted the club for the past 6 months. TP has done nothing but good regarding league position for the club since being here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 26, 2016, 01:19:59 AM
People really do have a grudge against TP if they'd rather he'd go than Berahino.

Berahino has insulted the club for the past 6 months. TP has done nothing but good regarding league position for the club since being here.
there is always to sides to a story maybe TP is drip feeding saido the line that I'll get you your move if you play up
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 26, 2016, 07:26:17 AM
To be honest I see Pulis and Berahino as an increasingly poisonous combination until both are gone we won't move on as a club.

Nothing would have made me happier to have kept Berahino for a few more seasons but in truth that moment has gone and the impasse over his departure is starting to have a negative effect on the club. I don't know exactly what TP's role in this saga is but I am totally convinced that he has wanted to unload Berahino from the start. 

The fact that Saido is a complete idiot makes it very easy for TP just to wash his hands of him and not have to answer the really tough question which is why can't the Head Coach set up his side in a manner which allows a striker like Berahino to thrive?

The fee that Berahino might have generated could really helped develop the squad unfortunately it is diminishing by the day and in any event I don't trust Pulis to spend the money

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tambag on January 26, 2016, 08:51:57 AM
If Newcastle do buy Townsend ?  I wonder if Spurs will use the proceeds (with extra dosh) to come back in for Berahino ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on January 26, 2016, 09:04:40 AM
If he was fit and in good condition then yes I could see Spurs coming back in for him. I'm not sure if anyone's going to be prepared to pay a premium for a player who's over weight and not match fit in January when it's going to take at least a month to get him ready.
The way he's let himself go, it's almost like he's been told he's not going under any circumstances
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 26, 2016, 09:17:42 AM
If Newcastle do buy Townsend ?  I wonder if Spurs will use the proceeds (with extra dosh) to come back in for Berahino ?

If they do, Levy and Peace will play poker face over the deal, it goes through with minutes to spare and we don't have any time to do business and get no one in.....you would like to think that we have players identified and deals in place in principle which can all go through once we get rid of him, but this is the Albion.......

Every time I see a post with SB's name on it, I just pray that it is someone announcing he has gone. I am constantly disappointed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 26, 2016, 10:13:56 AM
Imagine you'd been a scout at the game on Saturday just waiting for Berahino to come on, he comes on and every time he gets the ball he loses it whilst spending the remainder of the time skulking round not lookg particularly interested.

Would you be advising the powers that be to submit a multi million pound offer?

I somehow doubt it. We have him until the end of the season at least sadly. I have a hope that both he and the manager will exit come the summer, but I am skeptical on both fronts.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on January 26, 2016, 10:37:00 AM
I just had a thought which with all the rumours flying round may work, i dont actually think he will be sold but if he is, maybe this is how it will go.

JP sells to Tottenham the last few minutes of the transfer window and both clubs say they are happy with the deal. This means we dont have time to sign anybody else, meaning we still have say £18m (example) from the sale of Berahino but Pulis doesnt have time to spend the money.

Whether any of the rumours about this secret footballer are true (and i have my doubts) if i was JP i wouldnt be sanctioning more than a couple of million, frees or loan signings this window at best, Pulis is doing a decent job for our situation but it also would appear he has wasted a lot of money, so by Pulis not having time to spend the £18m it removes the problem of him demanding it and JP's concern of him wasting it. From JP's side that extra £18m will become very appealing on the balance sheet.

Come the summer we still have the £18m, both Albion and Pulis review it end of the season and if a new bloke comes in he has an extra £18m to play with, if Pulis stays then him and JP must be confident they can still work together and he gets the £18m to spend.

Maybe between now and the end of the window we sign a bargain or a loan player, so if Saido goes thats one in and one out and at the moment Saido isnt key to our current team as he doesnt play! So Pulis cant turn round and say we are a man down as if we get an extra body in, they will probably play more than Saido! Tottenham may even give us a player on loan til the end of the season as part of the Saido deal.

I think that all makes sense!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 26, 2016, 12:37:57 PM
If they do, Levy and Peace will play poker face over the deal, it goes through with minutes to spare and we don't have any time to do business and get no one in.....you would like to think that we have players identified and deals in place in principle which can all go through once we get rid of him, but this is the Albion.......

Every time I see a post with SB's name on it, I just pray that it is someone announcing he has gone. I am constantly disappointed.
that could work for JP but Tony would look like a mug and in the fans eyes Peace would once again be regarded as putting club in jeopardy. If we sell saido get in Philips and crouch I'd be happy til end of season but then we need a massive over haul of players again
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on January 26, 2016, 12:51:38 PM
Personally unless someone is desperate on deadline day and willing to pay a silly figure of money I still expect him to be a West Bromwich Albion player for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 26, 2016, 01:26:49 PM
Looks like Townsend will be off to Newcastle for £12m.
So the spuds have an extra £12 in the coffers.
Go get it Jeremy
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 26, 2016, 01:30:58 PM
Looks like Townsend will be off to Newcastle for £12m.
So the spuds have an extra £12 in the coffers.
Go get it Jeremy

Levy really is as bad as Peace if he's only going to give Pochettino £12 out of £12m.

I would be surprised if they come back in for Saido now to be honest unless the manager is absolutely desperate to get him for some reason. The papers will have a field day dragging the Saido to Spurs story back up though after this even if they have moved on to other targets.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on January 26, 2016, 04:17:11 PM
Personally unless someone is desperate on deadline day and willing to pay a silly figure of money I still expect him to be a West Bromwich Albion player for the remainder of the season.
So do I hope, but I still hope not.  Just to clear the air, we have a relegation fight on our hands.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 26, 2016, 04:18:24 PM
Times reporting Vertonghen out until March with knee injury, I think Spurs will spend the Townsend money & the remaining transfer window looking for a replacement defender.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tambag on January 26, 2016, 04:31:03 PM
Times reporting Vertonghen out until March with knee injury, I think Spurs will spend the Townsend money & the remaining transfer window looking for a replacement defender.

They have Wimmer and also Dier who can play centre half.  They also still have Fazio at the club.   Thats without whoever is in there U21 setup.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 26, 2016, 05:46:55 PM
Speculation on Mirror and Metro websites that Spurs are going to submit an £18m test bid in next 48 hours. 

If so then Levy clearly hasnt learned from the summer.  Firstly it won't be enough to tempt JP to cash in, and secondly once again it will be too late for any new players to be bought even if a deal could otherwise be done.

It is easy to foresee another tantrum from Berahino when he's still here on 2nd February, a frustrated Pulis, bemused and concerned fans, and us being sucked into the relegation mire.

I think if a deal can quickly be done for £20m (no speculative conditions attached) then JP should take it instead of holding out for more.   Newcastle likely to hold out for Remy in priority.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on January 26, 2016, 06:19:14 PM
If £18 million is their opening bid then they're obviously willing to pay a little more. Take anything 20+ and then sort out the imbalance in the team. If Macca ain't going to get on the pitch get rid of him too and we could see some deadline day movement.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zac on January 26, 2016, 06:45:53 PM
I worry that if we do accept 20m+ now, who could we possibly bring in to replace him. I wonder if the fact that teams know we have that much to spend are the price of players going to go up even more than they already are in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 26, 2016, 07:23:36 PM
I worry that if we do accept 20m+ now, who could we possibly bring in to replace him. I wonder if the fact that teams know we have that much to spend are the price of players going to go up even more than they already are in January.

I suspect it would be somebody from abroad. Wouldn't be surprised though to see us go for Walters.  Wouldn't be the worst option either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stubba on January 26, 2016, 07:29:37 PM
Frazier Campbell 😳😫
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on January 26, 2016, 07:29:55 PM
Replace him with just about anybody, if Saturday's effort is anything to go by. Take the money and move on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 26, 2016, 07:31:46 PM
Frazier Campbell 😳😫

Would prefer Dwight Gayle!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zac on January 26, 2016, 07:33:17 PM
I suspect it would be somebody from abroad. Wouldn't be surprised though to see us go for Walters.  Wouldn't be the worst option either.

I think you're probably right. I'd prefer us not to go abroad though, we need someone who can hit the ground running straight away not take ages to get used to the league. Walters isn't a bad shout.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 26, 2016, 08:01:34 PM
Right now I'd take £18m, with two further clauses; If they finish in the Top 4 then we get £2.5m, or if they win the league we get £5m. Applicable for the next two seasons and I'd also ask for Clinton to come our way as part of the deal on a loan until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 26, 2016, 08:02:42 PM
Right now I'd take £18m, with two further clauses; If they finish in the Top 4 then we get £2.5m, or if they win the league we get £5m. Applicable for the next two seasons and I'd also ask for Clinton to come our way as part of the deal on a loan until the end of the season.

Clinton Njie ? He's out until March with a knee injury
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on January 26, 2016, 08:16:42 PM
Clinton Njie ? He's out until March with a knee injury

Albion love signing injured players though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on January 26, 2016, 08:23:45 PM
Albion love signing injured players though.

Either injured, or play like they are.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 26, 2016, 08:24:16 PM
Clinton Njie ? He's out until March with a knee injury

That's why he hasn't been involved then!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 26, 2016, 09:34:23 PM
Can I just answer a few questions on here ?

Firstly there was a comment about if scouts watched Saido this weekend gone, well in fairness most players are watched for 6-24 months depending on value and spurs liked enough to bid last year so I don't think anybody would be put off by one game.

Secondly and it's kind of the same, those saying there would be no time to find someone, well the club have probably found 5-6 , it's just the medical and terms that would need to be done, and usually (as we know) clubs can have players in the carpark ready..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 27, 2016, 06:27:03 AM
Can I just answer a few questions on here ?

Firstly there was a comment about if scouts watched Saido this weekend gone, well in fairness most players are watched for 6-24 months depending on value and spurs liked enough to bid last year so I don't think anybody would be put off by one game.

Secondly and it's kind of the same, those saying there would be no time to find someone, well the club have probably found 5-6 , it's just the medical and terms that would need to be done, and usually (as we know) clubs can have players in the carpark ready..

are you saying Pete's back?  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tennant1wba on January 27, 2016, 07:26:05 AM
says on sky sports  spurs are ready to put a 17 million bid in for him id take him there myself for that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 27, 2016, 07:39:52 AM
says on sky sports  spurs are ready to put a 17 million bid in for him id take him there myself for that

Start the engine, I will take him myself.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on January 27, 2016, 08:48:28 AM
I have got no doubt we have plenty of players we want and could sign, but if we leave it til the last few minutes of the transfer window to actually complete the Saido sale it may mean that we dont have time to sign them.

That gives JP a few months with the Saido transfer fee in the bank and assess things with Pulis and not risk giving him money to waste and also it helps with the potential sale of the club, etc and gives a good excuse why we didnt sign anyone, ie - we didnt have the funds.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on January 27, 2016, 08:54:19 AM
Think if there is no movement by Friday he will stay, Peace has said before that we have learnt from previous years about leaving no time to find a replacement.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 27, 2016, 09:05:03 AM
still feel he will go and we'll bring in a loan signing til the end of the season then reassess where to spend. We might well sign Matty Philips if we do sell Berahino though?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on January 27, 2016, 09:06:49 AM
From Spurs point of view, it's the Townsend money plus 6 mill, so that look like a nice deal for them.  I hope we take it if offered, I hope Jeremy's ego, or haggling over a couple of mill, doesn't cost us the chance to move on positively and get a couple of fresh players in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 27, 2016, 09:40:55 AM
£18m bid by Spurs is imminent according to Express and Star.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on January 27, 2016, 09:49:08 AM
There's 18m and there's 18m

Will it be cash or

£100k now
and £17.9m when he gets his 100th cap for England

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 27, 2016, 09:50:34 AM
Regardles of any deal for Berahino I'd like to see us go for Phillips..maybe a loan to the end of the season with option to buy for £6M. That way we get an attacker who can play as either a winger or in the middle which is what we need(assuming he wants to come to us)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 27, 2016, 10:13:12 AM
Lets face it the press know very little.

There has been so much written about Saido and potential transfers that have been proven to be completely made up its untrue, Spurs may well make another bid but these stories seem to have appeared just because they have just sold a player for decent money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SirTonyM on January 27, 2016, 12:06:24 PM
Sell Berahino, loan Remy till the end of the season and re-invest the money...job done :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MBWBA on January 27, 2016, 12:16:16 PM
Maybe he will run down his contract if he doesn't get what he wants
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 27, 2016, 12:17:38 PM
Maybe he will run down his contract if he doesn't get what he wants

Let him. We'll still get a wedge for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 27, 2016, 12:33:01 PM
There's 18m and there's 18m

Will it be cash or

£100k now
and £17.9m when he gets his 100th cap for England

The £22m offer from Spurs was apparently £3m up front, £5m a year x 3 years then £4m contingent on Spurs progressing to CL quarter finals.  In other words, £18m guaranteed but not enough upfront.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 27, 2016, 01:14:39 PM
JP has come out today to declare that Beharino is NOT for sale this season. What the bloody hell is going on? The whole situation is a total fiasco
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on January 27, 2016, 01:17:46 PM
JP has come out today to declare that Beharino is NOT for sale this season. What the bloody hell is going on? The whole situation is a total fiasco

Where has he said that mate?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on January 27, 2016, 01:20:21 PM
Where has he said that mate?

In the mirror online
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on January 27, 2016, 01:24:01 PM
In the mirror online

Thanks mate will take a look
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on January 27, 2016, 01:24:28 PM
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Football/Premier+League/West+Brom (http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Football/Premier+League/West+Brom)

For Up to date Albion news.

Looks like were not selling Saido, what an unmitigated disaster.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on January 27, 2016, 01:26:28 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/saido-berahinos-west-brom-hell-7255165

Lazy journalism. No direct quotes from peace
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on January 27, 2016, 01:29:17 PM
I hope they're just recycling things he said a few weeks ago, it would be utter madness to refuse a decent offer, we would be left with an albatross round our neck at a time when we need to pull together and pull clear of the bottom and go for the Cup.  Peace has made his point, Berahino's career has been set back by almost a year, just do it now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 27, 2016, 01:29:28 PM
Let him. We'll still get a wedge for him.

Not if he moves anywhere outside of England. Could do a Zeke Fryers on us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 27, 2016, 01:36:19 PM
Not if he moves anywhere outside of England. Could do a Zeke Fryers on us.

Didn't Tom Ince threaten to do that when he was at Blackpool?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 27, 2016, 01:39:45 PM
Maybe the Secret Footballer article does have some mileage after all?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 27, 2016, 01:43:31 PM
Didn't Tom Ince threaten to do that when he was at Blackpool?

Zeki Fryers DONE it. Spurs wanted him but couldn't agree compensation with Man Utd, so he went to Belgium in the summer and signed for Spurs in January. Inca was simply offered a contract but turned it down. Joe Ledley is one of the most notable to do it, but Fryers the most underhanded.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 27, 2016, 01:53:14 PM
James Nursey's reporting it, he's normally pretty accurate, so I'd say there's some mileage in the DM article. There's also the caveat that JP would be willing to listen to offers in the summer, a slight change from the stance he took last August.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 27, 2016, 01:58:26 PM
I'd snap their hand of at £17 million. He's done nothing this season and will not change his attitude here. We could do with the cash too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 27, 2016, 02:24:26 PM
James Nursey's reporting it, he's normally pretty accurate, so I'd say there's some mileage in the DM article. There's also the caveat that JP would be willing to listen to offers in the summer, a slight change from the stance he took last August.


I think JP would take a decent offer.  He's a businessman after all. I'm sure he's now just trying to drive up the price.  Whether or not he would spend it in January is another matter.   I think any new spending will only come about now if we shift 2 or 3 others  like McManaman, Chester or Anichebe.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 27, 2016, 02:29:36 PM
What an utter farce this is turning out to be. At the end of the day if we don't sell we'll end up with even greater disharmony within the club. This could plummet us into deeper relegation trouble. Get it sorted JP!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on January 27, 2016, 03:23:17 PM
Obviously he is not going to say he wants to sell him. if he says he doesn't want to sell its going to send out a message you cant get him for peanuts.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tgd26 on January 27, 2016, 04:02:08 PM
This could plummet us into deeper relegation trouble.

I didn't realise we were in deep relegation trouble as things stand.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 27, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
I didn't realise we were in deep relegation trouble as things stand.

We aren't.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 27, 2016, 04:12:25 PM
We aren't.
If we lose the next two games WE WILL BE
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 27, 2016, 04:13:57 PM
If we lose the next two games WE WILL BE

There is nothing to suggest we will lose either game. If we win them both we'll be on for a final push towards the Europa League  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 27, 2016, 04:24:56 PM
Reading between the lines on this thread.
It seems that we fans want him gone.

Some want the money (to invest), and others want his disruptive attitude out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popmonkey on January 27, 2016, 04:26:00 PM
People are calling it a "farce" but it really isnt. The basic facts are that we haven't had a bid. Its all paper talk, and they know it sells papers/drives clicks to their site, so will keep going on until the end of the window.

Nothing has changed since the end of the last window, except that Berahino has been sitting on the bench. The club will sell if an acceptable bid comes in. If we dont get one, he'll stay where he is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 27, 2016, 04:39:04 PM
why is this a farce?

No bids as far as I can see

Perhaps we are going to use him in the run in till the end of the season especially as Rondon may need a rest
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on January 27, 2016, 04:56:38 PM
Reading between the lines on this thread.
It seems that we fans want him gone.

Some want the money (to invest), and others want his disruptive attitude out.

No! Really!? Whatever gave you that impression!?  :P ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 27, 2016, 05:05:11 PM
Lets face it the press know very little.

There has been so much written about Saido and potential transfers that have been proven to be completely made up its untrue, Spurs may well make another bid but these stories seem to have appeared just because they have just sold a player for decent money.

The press knew every move Tottenham made in the summer. It was almost as though someone was feeding them information in order to unsettle our player.  :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 27, 2016, 07:27:56 PM
No! Really!? Whatever gave you that impression!?  :P ;)

Rasp !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 27, 2016, 08:04:50 PM
The press knew every move Tottenham made in the summer. It was almost as though someone was feeding them information in order to unsettle our player.  :-X

That Summer window was a different animal completely, nothing new for this one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on January 28, 2016, 01:45:15 PM
if a club actually want him, then making an offer would be a good start

the papers seem to be going round in circles. I can imagine it will go to the wire and he wont go but then afterwards we will learn that there was a bid that included a player but that the player didnt want to come to us...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 28, 2016, 03:35:46 PM
Saido Berahino will not be leaving West Brom in the January transfer window, according to Sky sources.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mini gaardsoe on January 28, 2016, 03:47:16 PM
We all knew that on the 1st of Jan  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 28, 2016, 03:48:46 PM
Saido Berahino will not be leaving West Brom in the January transfer window, according to Sky sources.

It's like waiting for that sick elderly relative to die this is. You know it's coming, you're all prepared for it and just want it over and done with so everyone can move on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on January 28, 2016, 04:41:00 PM
Saido Berahino will not be leaving West Brom in the January transfer window, according to Sky sources.

If that's correct I wonder how he feels knowing that he his messing around has stopped his possible move.
It is 100% his own fault if he has to stay with us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 28, 2016, 04:49:34 PM
If that's correct I wonder how he feels knowing that he his messing around has stopped his possible move.
It is 100% his own fault if he has to stay with us

If you think his thought process is going to be that  you have outlined, i'm not sure who is more deluded SB or you?  :o

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 28, 2016, 04:50:07 PM
If that's correct I wonder how he feels knowing that he his messing around has stopped his possible move.
It is 100% his own fault if he has to stay with us
He won't for one minute consider it his fault. It will be Peace, Pulis, the fans, the 74 bus driver, but definitely not his!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 28, 2016, 04:53:06 PM
Imagine the fuss he will kick up though if it is true...

We could be seeing him on tv going absolute mental , or another Odem situation, driving down to London ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on January 28, 2016, 04:55:14 PM
If JP is calling this, I think he has got it wrong.  There is a time in the career of all powerful men when they come to believe the bull that is spouted about them; best negotiator, best bluffer, whatever he thinks he is, it is blindingly obvious that we desperately need to clear the air of this NOW.  If there really are proper £18mill bids, take one.  Berahino is the loser in all this, he's basically lost a season and perhaps his whole upwards career momentum, and maybe serve him right, but Jeremy, you have made your point.  No player will cross you again like he did, your reputation as a tough negotiator is secure.  If this drags us down (possibly to relegation even with 28 points on the board) we could be right back to 1987.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 28, 2016, 05:08:31 PM
It's like waiting for that sick elderly relative to die this is. You know it's coming, you're all prepared for it and just want it over and done with so everyone can move on.

Can't say I've ever wanted a sick relative to die so I can move on, but alleviate the suffering of seeing that useless sack of rubbish in our shirt I can understand your point.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on January 28, 2016, 05:44:31 PM
I am with Mulliganstired here, i think there comes a time when you say point made.

IF a team offered us £13-15m upfront now with heavy incentives totalling say £25m i would take it, Saido has shown since the summer window that his attitude isnt one to get his head down and get on with it (eg - John Stones) its to go the other way and sulk. I dont think he will ever be a great player but a fresh start and going to say a Tottenham who play more his style, those incentives could be met because he potentially is a good player who knows where the net is.

If you could take the risk and say Saido will accept he is staying, get his head down and show the right attitude between now and the end of the season then it would be worth keeping him as he would be an asset and his value would rise, but history shows that isnt probably going to be the case with him and i think JP has to be realistic, Pulis and the coaches work with him every day, they know better than anyone if we will see 'A new' saido or if it will be more of the same, if its more of the same, i would sell.

JP let it be known nobody screws him over like it seemed Levy tried too but there is the point where Saido is losing value, only bit by bit at the moment but eventually they add up, he made it clear deals are done his way or now way but i think there comes a time that you have to make sure you dont bite your nose off to spite your face.

We arent going to get the rumoured £30m we supposedly want now and we certainly wont get it in the summer if he carries on like he is, and in an ideal world we could say let him run his contract down and let it go to a tribunal, but we are still paying a wage (£15k a week) in that time which although is not a great deal in Premier League terms still a hell of a lot of money for somebody who would appear isnt going to play and at the moment is like a sideshow to the football club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on January 28, 2016, 06:23:35 PM
My gut feeling is spurs would offer 17/18 as rumoured down here in London but peace as said by John percy still wants 20 million upwards, he also went on to say that peace is confident of standing up at the tribunal and saying Berahino has been looked after since the age of eleven resulting in a payout of 10 million or so.

I agree we need to move him on and get someone in even if we accept 17 million, he is of no benefit to us and our other strikers all have doubts casted over them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 28, 2016, 06:37:08 PM
needs to move on , but will find it hilarious if peace squashes his dreams again, just a picture of the childish sulking knob after peace says, sorry no deal this month. :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on January 28, 2016, 08:14:58 PM
Perhaps he's trying to get the sack? Oh sorry its saido,he's not that clever is he?  He must be a pain to work with every day,you know the type he's the weirdo at work that no one likes,get rid asap,hes so ungrateful,is his mommy behind all this attitude rubbish,does she want to live in london? In some big house or what,sick of his hurt little boy act,he's not good enough for WBA.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on January 28, 2016, 08:20:59 PM
Perhaps he's trying to get the sack? Oh sorry its saido,he's not that clever is he?  He must be a pain to work with every day,you know the type he's the weirdo at work that no one likes,get rid asap,hes so ungrateful,is his mommy behind all this attitude rubbish,does she want to live in london? In some big house or what,sick of his hurt little boy act,he's not good enough for WBA.

He definitely is good enough for us, crying shame it hasn't worked out and he's attitude is completely the reason why like you said.

No one was the winner in this situation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 29, 2016, 02:10:46 PM
He definitely is good enough for us, crying shame it hasn't worked out and he's attitude is completely the reason why like you said.

No one was the winner in this situation.

Very true, all of the lads making. As much as he will have been disappointed not to get the move to Spurs, anyone with half a brain would have realised that the deal was not in our favour in any way shape or form and would have understood the clubs position and knuckled down to ensure that Spurs couldn't resist paying the lump sum up front to get him come January.

Shame he lacks that half a brain eh
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on January 29, 2016, 06:21:41 PM
I said previous i have no doubt that the club arent blameless in how things turned out but they are made to look better because of how Saido has responded.

You would hope he has a relative or friend, somebody away from football who would tell him some truths and let him know he needs to knuckle down, i think most people know somebody like that, that person who tells you what you dont want to hear but they do it for your own good.

I think it was under Irvine that he used his contacts and got Ian Wright in to work with him now and again, and i think during that period under Irvine Saido was at his best, what an influence somebody like Ian Wright could be, he would put him in his place about things and on the pitch, imagine learning from somebody as good as he was!

If Saido is still with us Feb 2nd then i hope we do something similar because he has wasted six months of a short career, he cant afford to waste another, if you can get him on his game for a club of our stature he could still get some goals for us as he has already shown.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 29, 2016, 06:52:49 PM
I said previous i have no doubt that the club arent blameless in how things turned out but they are made to look better because of how Saido has responded.

You would hope he has a relative or friend, somebody away from football who would tell him some truths and let him know he needs to knuckle down, i think most people know somebody like that, that person who tells you what you dont want to hear but they do it for your own good.

I think it was under Irvine that he used his contacts and got Ian Wright in to work with him now and again, and i think during that period under Irvine Saido was at his best, what an influence somebody like Ian Wright could be, he would put him in his place about things and on the pitch, imagine learning from somebody as good as he was!

If Saido is still with us Feb 2nd then i hope we do something similar because he has wasted six months of a short career, he cant afford to waste another, if you can get him on his game for a club of our stature he could still get some goals for us as he has already shown.

Might as well loan him out to a Championship if he's going to be a pr*ck for us until May.  Bring in a loan striker from abroad before Sunday night and then ship him out to the likes of Derby, Middlesbrough or Hull.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 29, 2016, 08:00:47 PM
I am a fan of Saido. I believe he is much better than often given credit for on this forum and has so much potential it's untrue. I also think that some over exaggerate with regard to his weight, although I do concede that he is not fully match sharp. Not difficult to work out why really despite his extra training sessions. I genuinely believe it's such a shame the way things have turned out thus far. So wanted him to go on, score a real hatful and develop with us even if he then moved on.

On the other hand it really irritates me when I read comments regarding how the club has acted, or how some feel that Saido is somewhat under paid for his 'labours'.
It maddens me to look at him pouting on the bench with his sh1tty head phones on looking aloof to everything that goes on around him.

Whatever happened to letting your feet do the talking?
Whatever happened to earning your corn?
Whatever happened to pride in your work?
Whatever happened to making the most of your talent?
Whatever happened to giving people a return for the genuine faith they've shown in you?

Saido, in the grand scheme of things you have done NOTHING within the game as yet.
It defeats me to realise that you are very probably well on the way to being a millionaire aged 22, if of course you are not already.
The players of yesteryear and not even so long ago must think you are such a tosser.
Earn your money and earn your move you ungrateful little fuggin pooh wipe.

And if you don't end up moving, put some in and give us something back on the pitch.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on January 29, 2016, 11:03:53 PM
I may be a bit late to the party but just read Pulis spoke with Saido yesterday or today and told him he isnt going anywhere and to get his head down.

If that is the case, and its down to Saido it could be like a new signing, however thats a big if, history dont back Saido up!

Personally i would say, work your balls off, get fit, score goals, make yourself first name on the teamsheet and come the summer you will have the pick of the big boys, its a very long shot but i would still use an incentive that there may a 4th strikers place going for Euro 2016 - Carroll, Ings, Welbeck and Sturridge cannot stay fit, Defoe seems to be out the reckoning, which leaves Rooney, Kane, Vardy and then maybe Austin. Its unlikely but not impossible for Saido.

i think JP has made his point and IF Saido does the business second half of the season, he gets his move and we get a good fee.

Assuming we dont sell him by Monday, it really is down to Saido now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 29, 2016, 11:09:00 PM
It has been down down to Saido since the summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 30, 2016, 06:51:39 AM
It has been down down to Saido since the summer.
He hasn't helped himself but it is a bit like saying  it's down to Pocognoli or Gamboa why they don't play. If we weren't aware of his talent no doubt we would be saying the coach doesn't rate him. I am not convinced he truly fits the style of play that Pulis wants to play and, even if he wasn't giving him excuses not to, he wouldn't be in the starting line up anyway (we now have Rondon).  On the bench as a game changer if we find ourselves chasing a point and needing a goal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on January 30, 2016, 07:44:30 AM
I may be a bit late to the party but just read Pulis spoke with Saido yesterday or today and told him he isnt going anywhere and to get his head down.

If that is the case, and its down to Saido it could be like a new signing, however thats a big if, history dont back Saido up!

Personally i would say, work your balls off, get fit, score goals, make yourself first name on the teamsheet and come the summer you will have the pick of the big boys, its a very long shot but i would still use an incentive that there may a 4th strikers place going for Euro 2016 - Carroll, Ings, Welbeck and Sturridge cannot stay fit, Defoe seems to be out the reckoning, which leaves Rooney, Kane, Vardy and then maybe Austin. Its unlikely but not impossible for Saido.

i think JP has made his point and IF Saido does the business second half of the season, he gets his move and we get a good fee.

Assuming we dont sell him by Monday, it really is down to Saido now.
It has been down down to Saido since the summer.

Do pigs fly?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 30, 2016, 09:54:29 AM
The toon still confident of getting him, take your brolly saido you wolly
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WD40 on January 30, 2016, 10:00:32 AM
Loan him to Bolton til the end of the season for free and book him into the closest premier inn. Enjoy your trip big time!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 30, 2016, 10:01:23 AM
The situation hasn't changed since the summer. Player wants away, chairman won't sell the player for less than what he thinks he's worth, head coach won't play the player in part because of player's attitude but also because he doesn't fit into his ideal set up. The only thing that has changed is that we absolutely know the player won't knuckle down and the Head Coach won't play him both things we could  have hoped for last August.

Personally I want a club any club to come in with enough money to end the impasse and we can all move on. It really doesn't matter about replacing him in the short term because like McManaman the coach would do almost anything not to play him in any event.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on January 30, 2016, 10:03:57 AM
Just sell him to the toon for the reported £18m & put a clause in preventing him from playing against us this season like with Nabi - simples
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on January 30, 2016, 10:46:57 AM
Just sell him to the toon for the reported £18m & put a clause in preventing him from playing against us this season like with Nabi - simples

I don't think the club are concerned about him playing against us. It's more of a fact that he will score goals for them throughout the remainder of the season and help keep them up and drag us right back into the mess
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on January 30, 2016, 11:19:55 AM
He on soccer am now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 30, 2016, 11:23:18 AM
Be idiotic to sell him to a team in relegation trouble and spuds haven't come up with offer JP is happy with. Unless a team from abroad Show's interest I'd say he's staying
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 30, 2016, 07:04:02 PM
He hasn't played much this season, yet he is our top goal scorer.
What does that say about the rest of the strike force?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adamstv on January 30, 2016, 07:18:59 PM
He hasn't played much this season, yet he is our top goal scorer.
What does that say about the rest of the strike force?

They're s***e
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 30, 2016, 07:37:31 PM
I think after today there's quite a clear solution with regards to Berahino:

Sell him and get in the replacements OR keep him and play him.

What I think is harmful to the club is if we keep him and don't use him, as we have been doing. He's now our top scorer. Sometimes you have to work with bad people to get results, so in other words if he isn't sold then I hope to god he is played more as otherwise we will struggle.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 30, 2016, 07:40:37 PM
I think after today there's quite a clear solution with regards to Berahino:

Sell him and get in the replacements OR keep him and play him.

What I think is harmful to the club is if we keep him and don't use him, as we have been doing. He's now our top scorer. Sometimes you have to work with bad people to get results, so in other words if he isn't sold then I hope to god he is played more as otherwise we will struggle.

So you'd automatically play him even if he turns up late, shows no interest, and shirks tackles ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aztech on January 30, 2016, 07:44:21 PM
So you'd automatically play him even if he turns up late, shows no interest, and shirks tackles ?

Before Lambert yes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 30, 2016, 07:52:21 PM
So you'd automatically play him even if he turns up late, shows no interest, and shirks tackles ?

Yes, I would.

If you look at my posts throughout this forum based on Berahino, I am not a fan - and hope he gets his move.
However, you also have to be realistic. He's barely played this season and is our top scorer. I'm not saying to start him every game but he's miles above Lambert and Anichebe in what he'd add even with his dreadful attitude.

As I said, sometimes it's for the greater good. It's not me singing his praises at all, and if anything highlights how poor we are up top - but sometimes you've got to go with what is best.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 30, 2016, 07:57:22 PM
Before Lambert yes

I'd pick Emile Heskey before Lambert so that's not saying much
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 30, 2016, 08:00:31 PM
Yes, I would.

If you look at my posts throughout this forum based on Berahino, I am not a fan - and hope he gets his move.
However, you also have to be realistic. He's barely played this season and is our top scorer. I'm not saying to start him every game but he's miles above Lambert and Anichebe in what he'd add even with his dreadful attitude.

As I said, sometimes it's for the greater good. It's not me singing his praises at all, and if anything highlights how poor we are up top - but sometimes you've got to go with what is best.

Hard to disagree with those sentiments, but anybody who has either managed or coached a team at any level with surely sympathise with Pulis' dilemna.  It's really hard to pick someone who clearly doesn't want to play for us, turns up late and shirks tackles when he does actually gets selected. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 30, 2016, 08:09:28 PM
Hard to disagree with those sentiments, but anybody who has either managed or coached a team at any level with surely sympathise with Pulis' dilemna.  It's really hard to pick someone who clearly doesn't want to play for us, turns up late and shirks tackles when he does actually gets selected.
Don't get me wrong, I do think it's a horrible situation and will be very testing for Pulis, make no bones about it - Berahino is a little $hit.

However, as I say - I think our other options are just too weak to ignore Berahino. Ideally I would start him and Rondon and see how it goes. I like Rondon and think he is better than the other two, albeit that's not hard.

My point was though, we should either cash in on him or play him. If we do neither than we will struggle even more so.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 30, 2016, 08:12:56 PM
Don't get me wrong, I do think it's a horrible situation and will be very testing for Pulis, make no bones about it - Berahino is a little $hit.

However, as I say - I think our other options are just too weak to ignore Berahino. Ideally I would start him and Rondon and see how it goes. I like Rondon and think he is better than the other two, albeit that's not hard.

My point was though, we should either cash in on him or play him. If we do neither than we will struggle even more so.

All depends on whether SB makes himself selectable by his behaviour.  He has been very lucky to be on the bench.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on January 30, 2016, 08:34:32 PM
if mclean had more vision berahino would have scored 5 today
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 30, 2016, 08:42:15 PM
Sell him we are in the poo
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on January 30, 2016, 08:43:17 PM
Berahino might actually be smelling the coffee after realising only Newcastle want him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on January 30, 2016, 10:08:10 PM
Even if allegedly not playing at his best, he still carries twice as much goal threat as any of our other strikers. If Berahino is not here, we can't rely on Rondon, Anichebe or Lambert's goals to keep us up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 30, 2016, 10:48:39 PM
IF Berahino is sold the deal must surely be completed at least 24 hours before the window closes. What then? Who do we replace him with?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 30, 2016, 10:54:08 PM
IF Berahino is sold the deal must surely be completed at least 24 hours before the window closes. What then? Who do we replace him with?

The only available player worth considering would be Remy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mrmojorisin on January 30, 2016, 11:00:31 PM
Even with the most almighty strop he is our only class striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 30, 2016, 11:00:54 PM
The only available player worth considering would be Remy.

I think he's agreed a deal with Leicester (£11.5m)

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 30, 2016, 11:06:00 PM
IF Berahino is sold the deal must surely be completed at least 24 hours before the window closes. What then? Who do we replace him with?
burnleys andre gray and phillips of qpr wouldn't be bad shouts.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 30, 2016, 11:10:09 PM
burnleys andre gray and phillips of qpr wouldn't be bad shouts.

Agreed.  Chris Martin of Derby a good alternative to Gray.  Both consistently look like they could step up immediately to the Premier League. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 30, 2016, 11:16:57 PM
Agreed.  Chris Martin of Derby a good alternative to Gray.  Both consistently look like they could step up immediately to the Premier League.

Martin a bit of  donkey, decent Championship striker, in the Glen Murray mould. Think Gray would be a big risk also.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 30, 2016, 11:29:30 PM
Martin a bit of  donkey, decent Championship striker, in the Glen Murray mould. Think Gray would be a big risk also.



Totally disagree re Martin. Has been the best striker in the Championship this year and last year and averages a goal every 2 games although his game is not just about scoring.

Gray has more upside potential though - could well go on to play for England


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 30, 2016, 11:37:12 PM
This has just been posted on the Mail on Sunday website

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3424663/Saido-Berahino-Tottenham-drag-final-hours-West-Brom-unwilling-sell-striker-25m.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

If true then it's intriguing.   It doesn't say when the "£23m plus add-ons" offer was made or rejected.   The August offer which was rejected was £22m including add-ons,£4m of which was highly speculative, so the £23m plus add-ons may well be a new offer.  If so, then I would suggest that Spurs are very close to landing him.

That might explain why explain why there seems to be some progress tonight on us buying Phillips according to a contact of mine who is very close to the QPR board.  We seem to be anticipating doing the Saido deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 30, 2016, 11:42:49 PM


Totally disagree re Martin. Has been the best striker in the Championship this year and last year and averages a goal every 2 games although his game is not just about scoring.

Gray has more upside potential though - could well go on to play for England

Martin thrives in sustained possession in the final third where you can turn him around. But we need him to help us get that sustained pressure. Not be an old fashioned target man (because he's rubbish at that). In return players need to help turn him around.

Straight quote from the Derby forum. No thanks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 30, 2016, 11:45:21 PM
This has just been posted on the Mail on Sunday website

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3424663/Saido-Berahino-Tottenham-drag-final-hours-West-Brom-unwilling-sell-striker-25m.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

If true then it's intriguing.   It doesn't say when the "£23m plus add-ons" offer was made or rejected.   The August offer which was rejected was £22m including add-ons,£4m of which was highly speculative, so the £23m plus add-ons may well be a new offer.  If so, then I would suggest that Spurs are very close to landing him.

That might explain why explain why there seems to be some progress tonight on us buying Phillips according to a contact of mine who is very close to the QPR board.  We seem to be anticipating doing the Saido deal.

I read the DailyMail and it often has lots of poor journalism throughout the site. I imagine they meant to put £22 million instead of £23 million. For a massive paper, they don't have half some terrible research going into their stories.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 30, 2016, 11:46:25 PM
Martin thrives in sustained possession in the final third where you can turn him around. But we need him to help us get that sustained pressure. Not be an old fashioned target man (because he's rubbish at that). In return players need to help turn him around.

Straight quote from the Derby forum. No thanks.

Rondon would be the target man.  I've seen Martin in around 10 games this season and wouldn't fully agree with that Derby forum quote.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 30, 2016, 11:46:43 PM
I read the DailyMail and it often has lots of poor journalism throughout the site. I imagine they meant to put £22 million instead of £23 million. For a massive paper, they don't have half some terrible research going into their stories.

Read to me as if it was the bid from the summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on January 30, 2016, 11:49:59 PM
I read the DailyMail and it often has lots of poor journalism throughout the site. I imagine they meant to put £22 million instead of £23 million. For a massive paper, they don't have half some terrible research going into their stories.
.  If it has poor journalism why bother reading it ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 30, 2016, 11:50:13 PM
I read the DailyMail and it often has lots of poor journalism throughout the site. I imagine they meant to put £22 million instead of £23 million. For a massive paper, they don't have half some terrible research going into their stories.

They certainly aren't always right but some of their journalists are very good (Ashton for one).  Even if they meant £22m rather than £23m, the offer in August was £22m including add-one, not £22m plus add-ons.

And it doesn't explain the apparent step-up in interest in Phillips tonight.  The only way that deal will happen if we don't sell Saido is if we are selling Chester.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 30, 2016, 11:50:26 PM
Rondon would be the target man.  I've seen Martin in around 10 games this season and wouldn't fully agree with that Derby forum quote.

I think Chris Martin needs us and we need him. He would be rubbish anywhere else IMO and literally whenever he has a half good game we are immense. He has to be a lone striker. Imagine if he went in to say a Wolves side that played 4-4-2, he would be rubbish and get 10 a season. He gets the service from our very good quality side and I think a lot of 'lumps' who hold the ball up would get 15 a season in that position with our squad.

Sorry mate, another quote. No go at any cost as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 30, 2016, 11:52:39 PM
I think Chris Martin needs us and we need him. He would be rubbish anywhere else IMO and literally whenever he has a half good game we are immense. He has to be a lone striker. Imagine if he went in to say a Wolves side that played 4-4-2, he would be rubbish and get 10 a season. He gets the service from our very good quality side and I think a lot of 'lumps' who hold the ball up would get 15 a season in that position with our squad.

Sorry mate, another quote. No go at any cost as far as I'm concerned.

Just as well we are all allowed to hold different opinions then!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 30, 2016, 11:52:49 PM
One of the papers has Newcastle back in for him. Not sure which because wasn't listening to Match of the Day properly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 30, 2016, 11:55:22 PM
Just as well we are all allowed to hold different opinions then!

But to clarify, you advocate signing a player (Martin) to play off Rondon when Derby have played 1 up front for the last 3 seasons and their own fans say he cannot play in a 2. AND, they supposedly turned down £10 million from Swansea in the summer.

He's not fit to lace Berahino's boots.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 30, 2016, 11:55:55 PM
One of the papers has Newcastle back in for him. Not sure which because wasn't listening to Match of the Day properly.

JP will be creaming himself.  Price going up by the hour.  He'll end up getting close to £25m and be fully vindicated for his stance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 30, 2016, 11:56:54 PM
They certainly aren't always right but some of their journalists are very good (Ashton for one).  Even if they meant £22m rather than £23m, the offer in August was £22m including add-one, not £22m plus add-ons.

And it doesn't explain the apparent step-up in interest in Phillips tonight.  The only way that deal will happen if we don't sell Saido is if we are selling Chester.
Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with your theory, but it is known of the Daily Mail to have spelling errors etc which could be the case here.
Regarding Phillips, I haven't seen a step-up in interest, although admittedly I haven't been looking at the news, am I missing something?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 12:02:47 AM
Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with your theory, but it is known of the Daily Mail to have spelling errors etc which could be the case here.
Regarding Phillips, I haven't seen a step-up in interest, although admittedly I haven't been looking at the news, am I missing something?

A mate of mine is very close to the QPR board.  Something is definitely developing there this evening re Phillips and us although Bournemouth also very keen which will keep price up
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 12:07:26 AM
But to clarify, you advocate signing a player (Martin) to play off Rondon when Derby have played 1 up front for the last 3 seasons and their own fans say he cannot play in a 2. AND, they supposedly turned down £10 million from Swansea in the summer.

He's not fit to lace Berahino's boots.

I'm saying that he can play either alone upfront or alongside another and that I don't fully agree with those Derby quotes.  It's all about opinions.  I may well be wrong - it does happen!

Whether or not he's fit to lace Berahino's boots is irrelevant.  Nobody will be as we won't be fishing in the £25m pool for a replacement.  He and just anybody else will have a far better attitude than Berahino though.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 31, 2016, 03:25:55 AM
JP will be creaming himself.  Price going up by the hour.  He'll end up getting close to £25m and be fully vindicated for his stance.

If JP does get his £25m then what good is that if it doesn't come quick enough for us to get a replacement? A deal, if it is to be done, must be completed sometime today. It would be utter madness to sell him at the last minute to relegation rivals Newcastle.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 31, 2016, 05:11:12 AM
I wouldn't rush into buying a replacement , instead leaving til the summer to find a permanent replacement.

In the meantime , we could take a loan player or two (Lambert is shot and Vic is nearly always poor). Problem, can't think of anyone immediately who could step straight in so probably an overseas player or two?

The eternal optimist in me believes we have a few lined up to complete quickly in the event he definitely goes ( which I expect). The realist in me and history has shown me that we'll panic and take someone undershelming and try to grind our way through the rest of the season - again zzzzzZZZZZZZZ
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on January 31, 2016, 08:47:32 AM
JP will be creaming himself.  Price going up by the hour.  He'll end up getting close to £25m and be fully vindicated for his stance.

No good if we don't get an adequate replacement in !  Phillips can be useful addition but we would still a GOAL SCORER if he went !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 31, 2016, 09:28:39 AM
No good if we don't get an adequate replacement in !  Phillips can be useful addition but we would still a GOAL SCORER if he went !

We might sign a goal scorer but they wouldn't score many.for us for some obscure reason. It makes no difference either way
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 31, 2016, 09:56:31 AM
We have a goal scorer already, what we are lacking is a supplier to feed the goal scorer. If we bring someone in that can get regular quality crosses into the box, Rondon will score plenty.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on January 31, 2016, 09:58:04 AM
Given that one of JPs reasons in the summer was the lateness not allowing to get in replacements, it should be moving forward today if its going to happen, you'd have thought?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 10:09:08 AM
No good if we don't get an adequate replacement in !  Phillips can be useful addition but we would still a GOAL SCORER if he went !

Am sure we will have some striker options well advanced.   After seeing Lambert yesterday there's no way JP will not get a replacement in.  My money would be on Walters.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 31, 2016, 10:15:16 AM
If we don't recieve any bids today. We need to offer him a new deal and try and give him some motivation to pull on the shirt. He's our top scorer and has barely played. We don't have a good enough supply line to make goals for rondon. Berahino makes his own goals and is better finisher (except headers)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 31, 2016, 10:26:20 AM
I think he will be going to be honest. Peace isn't stupid, he will take what is available at the last minute to avoid further depreciation of his prize asset. I have no hard feelings towards Saido either, a lot of us were nobheads when we were his age. He is only human.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 31, 2016, 10:39:25 AM
If we don't recieve any bids today. We need to offer him a new deal and try and give him some motivation to pull on the shirt. He's our top scorer and has barely played. We don't have a good enough supply line to make goals for rondon. Berahino makes his own goals and is better finisher (except headers)
If he doesn't go, I like what you are saying.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 31, 2016, 11:45:28 AM
For me he should stay, only guy we have that actually looks like scoring, when he put the 2 in yesterday nobody chanted "oh but you were 10 minutes late for training"?
I'm not defending poor behaviour, man management is difficult..but that's the bloody job.

Also people taking as if Saido is the only saleable asset to free of funds for Phillips , not true Chester, foster, Myhill , mcmananman , sess (I'd be angry), rondon (although we would take a hit) or........fletcher/Gardner/yacob now that we have Sandro and potentially Evans ..".or even vic.

There are options
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 11:50:02 AM
For me he should stay, only guy we have that actually looks like scoring, when he put the 2 in yesterday nobody chanted "oh but you were 10 minutes late for training"?
I'm not defending poor behaviour, man management is difficult..but that's the bloody job.

Also people taking as if Saido is the only saleable asset to free of funds for Phillips , not true Chester, foster, Myhill , mcmananman , sess (I'd be angry), rondon (although we would take a hit) or........fletcher/Gardner/yacob now that we have Sandro and potentially Evans ..".or even vic.

There are options

Foster or Myhill can't be sold as we've loaned out

McManaman can't be sold - is injured and out for 6 weeks

Chester, Poc, Gamboa, Lambert, Anichebe, Gardner are  all realistic if acceptable bids received by tomorrow night. 

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 31, 2016, 11:54:35 AM
Foster or Myhill can't be sold as we've loaned out

McManaman can't be sold - is injured and out for 6 weeks

Chester, Poc, Gamboa, Lambert, Anichebe, Gardner are  all realistic if acceptable bids received by tomorrow night.

Gardner won't be sold or nor should he. He covers too many positions and works his bwillicks off. He gets too much stick from supporters in my opinion basically because he gets played out wide and doesn't offer the skillset that us supporters want from a wide player but he does a job and actually has been decent when played centrally. No world beater but a reliable backup with a very good attitude.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 31, 2016, 11:55:05 AM
Roma striker Doumbia is having a medical at Newcastle, which suggests any move there for Berahino must be very doubtful. Newcastle have also supposed to have bid for Swansea's Gomis.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 31, 2016, 11:59:53 AM
Roma striker Doumbia is having a medical at Newcastle, which suggests any move there for Berahino must be very doubtful. Newcastle have also supposed to have bid for Swansea's Gomis.
shouldn't be sold to toon keep him til summer he's goals should keep us up
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 31, 2016, 12:09:21 PM
I think he will be going to be honest. Peace isn't stupid, he will take what is available at the last minute to avoid further depreciation of his prize asset. I have no hard feelings towards Saido either, a lot of us were nobheads when we were his age. He is only human.

I agree, but I am starting to question who the sale of Saido would be good for. From memory we were going to offer Saido a new deal until he got into a bit of bother with the law. So I am guessing he is still on about £15,000 a week, which isn't much for a player of his quality. For all his faults he showed what he could do yesterday. So we want the money to go and buy more players? Why don't we just make him the biggest wage earner and 'motivate' him?

Whilst I am fed up with him, I know there is an excellent footballer there somewhere. All he has to do is bang a few in and his profile will go through the roof.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 31, 2016, 12:18:45 PM
Pinched from another site....

'NEWCASTLE TO BID HIGH FOR BERAHINO'

Newcastle are prepared to outbid Tottenham to land Saido Berahino, according to Sunday Express journalist John Richardson.

Richardson understands Newcastle are willing to pay upwards of £20m to secure his services because they see Berahino as a man who can push them up the Premier League table.

Speaking on the Sunday Supplement, Richardson said: "They (Newcastle) are desperate for somebody who can put the ball in the back of the net.

"They've signed some good players but they haven't got a natural goalscorer. (Aleksandar) Mitrovic seems a decent player but he's not a natural goalscorer and could be better as an impact player

"They're desperate for someone like Berahino and for once, to be fair to Mike Ashley, he's pushing the boat out. He is saying: 'Whatever it costs, we will try and get him'. He spent big in the summer and again he's spent big in January, more than any other club, and they're making up for lost time.”
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 12:20:19 PM
Pinched from another site....

'NEWCASTLE TO BID HIGH FOR BERAHINO'

Newcastle are prepared to outbid Tottenham to land Saido Berahino, according to Sunday Express journalist John Richardson.

Richardson understands Newcastle are willing to pay upwards of £20m to secure his services because they see Berahino as a man who can push them up the Premier League table.

Speaking on the Sunday Supplement, Richardson said: "They (Newcastle) are desperate for somebody who can put the ball in the back of the net.

"They've signed some good players but they haven't got a natural goalscorer. (Aleksandar) Mitrovic seems a decent player but he's not a natural goalscorer and could be better as an impact player

"They're desperate for someone like Berahino and for once, to be fair to Mike Ashley, he's pushing the boat out. He is saying: 'Whatever it costs, we will try and get him'. He spent big in the summer and again he's spent big in January, more than any other club, and they're making up for lost time.”

That article was from before they signed Doumbia this morning
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 31, 2016, 12:23:45 PM
I think Chris Martin needs us and we need him. He would be rubbish anywhere else IMO and literally whenever he has a half good game we are immense. He has to be a lone striker. Imagine if he went in to say a Wolves side that played 4-4-2, he would be rubbish and get 10 a season. He gets the service from our very good quality side and I think a lot of 'lumps' who hold the ball up would get 15 a season in that position with our squad.

Sorry mate, another quote. No go at any cost as far as I'm concerned.
And if you read through our forum you'll find comments about how talented Luke Moore is or how good Pepe Mel, Alan Irvine,  Tony Pulis is. Just because someone writes it on the internet doesn't make it accurate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 12:23:58 PM
I agree, but I am starting to question who the sale of Saido would be good for. From memory we were going to offer Saido a new deal until he got into a bit of bother with the law. So I am guessing he is still on about £15,000 a week, which isn't much for a player of his quality. For all his faults he showed what he could do yesterday. So we want the money to go and buy more players? Why don't we just make him the biggest wage earner and 'motivate' him?

Whilst I am fed up with him, I know there is an excellent footballer there somewhere. All he has to do is bang a few in and his profile will go through the roof.

So if we give him a new contract at £60k a week and a buy-out price clause where does it leave us if he carries on behaving like a pr*ck?  I'd like to think that such a contract would motivate him but I fear that too much has happened for it to work.

It would also mean no funds to fix the gaping holes in our squad unless we can offload Chester and one or two others.  The timing of Macca's injury is most unfortunate as we could definitely have sold him


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 31, 2016, 12:29:48 PM
And if you read through our forum you'll find comments about how talented Luke Moore is or how good Pepe Mel, Alan Irvine,  Tony Pulis is. Just because someone writes it on the internet doesn't make it accurate.

They were both assessments of his general play from people who watch him week in week out.

Specifically they applied to how he'd be used here if signed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 12:33:01 PM
They were both assessments of his general play from people who watch him week in week out.

Specifically they applied to how he'd be used here if signed.

Maybe they just don't want to see him go!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 31, 2016, 12:55:39 PM
How much does he think he is worth, now that Man Utd are thinking of trying for Lukaku at £65 million?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 31, 2016, 01:00:30 PM
Newcastle United transfer news: Seydou Doumbia to sign from Roma – Berahino to follow? goo.gl/fb/wZsqr3
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 01:02:18 PM
How much does he think he is worth, now that Man Utd are thinking of trying for Lukaku at £65 million?

Minimum £35m to £40m if he's fit, playing and scoring regularly in the PL.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 01:04:48 PM
Newcastle United transfer news: Seydou Doumbia to sign from Roma – Berahino to follow? goo.gl/fb/wZsqr3

Behind the times - Doumbia deal already done this morning. They want Berahino or Gomis but are sure that Peace won't sell to them
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 31, 2016, 01:31:55 PM
All papers jumping on the transfer bandwagon.

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/football/newcastle/14242844.UPDATED__Seydou_Doumbia_on_Tyneside_ahead_of_Newcastle_loan_deal___with_final_push_for_Saido_Berahino_unlikely_to_succeed/?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 31, 2016, 01:38:00 PM
So if we give him a new contract at £60k a week and a buy-out price clause where does it leave us if he carries on behaving like a pr*ck?  I'd like to think that such a contract would motivate him but I fear that too much has happened for it to work.

It would also mean no funds to fix the gaping holes in our squad unless we can offload Chester and one or two others.  The timing of Macca's injury is most unfortunate as we could definitely have sold him

We can put a 'dont be a prick' clause in there somewhere! I take your point but we have potential relegation rivals bidding for our best player which cannot be right.........if he goes, who else is going to score? We had the lot on the pitch yesterday and SB is the only one who knows where the goal is.n
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 31, 2016, 03:06:59 PM
toon have bid 21m upfront . breaking news on ssn
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on January 31, 2016, 03:09:12 PM
snap there hands off and move on get it done quick
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 03:10:15 PM
toon have bid 21m upfront . breaking news on ssn

Interesting - JP doesn't want to sell to Newcastle.   It might now force Spurs into action
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adamstv on January 31, 2016, 03:12:07 PM
toon have bid 21m upfront . breaking news on ssn

That bid if correct will put the cat among the pigeons, relegation rivals and not much time to bring in any replacements - do we stick or twist.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zac on January 31, 2016, 03:18:18 PM
Selling to a team below us, asking for trouble! Surely he can't accept this?!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on January 31, 2016, 03:26:09 PM
I'd still sell him to them. I think they will finish outside the bottom three with or without him. I also think it would be a good move for him. They absolutely idolise a goal scorer and I think they will play to his strengths.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on January 31, 2016, 03:26:46 PM
Yellow bar on sky sports news. Don't know if I'm behind the times as I've been out all afternoon.


Now - is that the "final" bid the papers were talking of or is that an opening bid where we can say "meet us in the middle and it 23?"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on January 31, 2016, 03:27:09 PM
Express and Star on Twitter say it'll be rejected, club doesn't want to sell in January. I can understand that stance for a rival like Newcastle perhaps, but if a non-rival comes in we're really gaining nothing by keeping someone Pulis is loath to start. We'll be lucky to get half that amount if we wait till the summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 03:30:18 PM
Express and Star on Twitter say it'll be rejected, club doesn't want to sell in January. I can understand that stance for a rival like Newcastle perhaps, but if a non-rival comes in we're really gaining nothing by keeping someone Pulis is loath to start. We'll be lucky to get half that amount if we wait till the summer.

We'd still get £20m this summer as we'd  probably get £10m at tribunal next year

Am hoping this forces Spurs to make decent offer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 03:32:35 PM
Yellow bar on sky sports news. Don't know if I'm behind the times as I've been out all afternoon.


Now - is that the "final" bid the papers were talking of or is that an opening bid where we can say "meet us in the middle and it 23?"

I've seen a suggestion that it's £21m plus significant add-ons...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 03:44:45 PM
TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN!!!

21m is silly money considering the attitude and lack of games he's had, take the money and invest it asap and we can get some good players in before the end of the window

Or wait to see whether Spurs will match it or top it so that we don't sell to a relegation rival?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 31, 2016, 03:45:58 PM
Or wait to see whether Spurs will match it or top it so that we don't sell to a relegation rival?

We have to set a deadline to allow us to try and do business if we allow him to go.

If we accept the Newcastle bid thats forces the hand of others and then its up to the player to sort a deal out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on January 31, 2016, 03:48:05 PM
There are 19 rivals in the Premier League. West Brom will finish 10th-14th with close to 50 points.

£21m today will soon be £25m tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on January 31, 2016, 03:48:51 PM
I've seen a suggestion that it's £21m plus significant add-ons...

IF that's true then we need to get the ball rolling with all deals.

We need to a) sell him b) play him. If we reject all offers and nothing changes on the pitch then it's utter madness!

How about this scenario - we accept and talks with the player breakdown as he throws his toys out the pram to get a move to Spurs. That's my prediction.

To be honest if you were us surely we'd be one the phone to Spurs now saying "we're going to accept so it's time to act."
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on January 31, 2016, 03:49:38 PM
We'd be daft to sell to a rival club like Newcastle who could end up getting us relegated.(we are playing them in a fortnight). If he must go, then to Tottenham or a club who won't be relegated, but ONLY if we have a replacement lined up. I'm afraid Rondon, Anichebe and Lambert all make scoring look too difficult. We'd be out of the cup now if it wasn't for Berahino.

I'm very keen to bring Matt Phillips in, and whilst he can set up goals, and scores the odd spectacular one, he's not a routine goalscorer like Berahino is. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 03:51:39 PM
We have to set a deadline to allow us to try and do business if we allow him to go.

If we accept the Newcastle bid thats forces the hand of others and then its up to the player to sort a deal out.

Agreed - makes sense. Newcastle apparently always pay cash up front on transfers which gives them an edge even if others match the headline price

Interesting scenario if Spurs don't match the deal but Berahino only wants to go there. Could be a major disruption to our plans tomorrow to replace him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 31, 2016, 03:59:52 PM
the theory of not selling to a relegation rival works two ways, what about if saido scores goals for Newcastle against sunderland, Norwich , b,mouth and any other club that's around us, surely that benefits us aswell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zac on January 31, 2016, 04:01:13 PM
Rejected according to E+S and John Percy from the telegraph!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on January 31, 2016, 04:10:11 PM
I really hope JP and TP are working together on this or we could be manager less for the Swansea game
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on January 31, 2016, 04:13:48 PM
Don't sell him to fecking Newcastle!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 04:18:56 PM
Don't like the way this is heading at the moment, we're gambling here.

Could end up with another summer situation but tensions even higher and also Pulis and Peace clashing heads. Pulis' press conferences are often hinting that we would accept a deal at the right price and Peace's movements say the opposite.

Can see this ending badly for all parties...fingers crossed everyone's happy with the eventual outcome

Guys this is business - we don't need to sell based on an opening bid!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on January 31, 2016, 04:20:10 PM
Pulis will be absolutely fuming, this is a personal crusade for Peace. I wouldn't be surprised if Berahino is here on Tuesday and transfers haven't got done tomorrow, if we find Pulis resigns.

The fact we've had Lambert ahead of Berahino makes it abundantly clear were Pulis stands on the issue. His interviews you can tell he's desperate to get rid and get someone, anyone in to replace him. Berahino sold for £21m and Jordan Rhodes bought for £10m would be decent I think.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on January 31, 2016, 04:23:16 PM
Pulis' press conferences are often hinting that we would accept a deal at the right price and Peace's movements say the opposite.


Who knows what WBA think is the right price and do you think maybe they have a good idea if Saido would even consider a move to Newcastle? No point in accepting an offer if it were known that he was not prepared to make the move. Anyway it's all just gossip and rumour at the moment
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 31, 2016, 04:24:12 PM
We might be mad selling him to a relegation rival, but if Newcastle doesnt buy him then the likelihood is that they'll splash their cash on another quality striker. Where does this leave us if he stays ? We're left with a sulking striker. I think we need to squeeze as much as we can by midnight and then sell him to the highest bidder and rapidly reinvest the proceeds.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 04:26:30 PM
Pulis will be absolutely fuming, this is a personal crusade for Peace. I wouldn't be surprised if Berahino is here on Tuesday and transfers haven't got done tomorrow, if we find Pulis resigns.

The fact we've had Lambert ahead of Berahino makes it abundantly clear were Pulis stands on the issue. His interviews you can tell he's desperate to get rid and get someone, anyone in to replace him. Berahino sold for £21m and Jordan Rhodes bought for £10m would be decent I think.

No - Rhodes would be a panic buy and a big gamble and is exactly why Peace doesn't like the January window or last minute deals.  Once again the bidder has left it far too late!

I am sure that Saido has no interest in going to Newcastle as has his heart set on Spurs. Would probably rather stay here and knuckle down than go to Newcastle
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on January 31, 2016, 04:29:50 PM
If we accept that Villa are already gone, the last 2 relegation spots will be filled by Newcastle, Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Bournemoth or ourselves. Berahino is always likely to score, and his goals would lift the morale of any of those clubs, making one less in the relegation mix we have to compete against. I can't see Rondon, Anichebe or Lambert scoring enough to replace him. They are all struggling at this Premier level.
I don't like this tactic of relying on one goal to win  games, as it only needs one mistake from our defence to wipe that out.
Therefore, don't let Berahino go, unless we have a replacement.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on January 31, 2016, 04:31:21 PM
Not selling him? It's ok, then play him please.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on January 31, 2016, 04:32:25 PM
No - Rhodes would be a panic buy and a big gamble and is exactly why Peace doesn't like the January window or last minute deals.  Once again the bidder has left it far too late!

I am sure that Saido has no interest in going to Newcastle as has his heart set on Spurs. Would probably rather stay here and knuckle down than go to Newcastle

Our alternative is to finish the season with Berahino still largely on the bench behind Lambert. I can't imagine Berahino's attitude is going to improve if we've rejected genuinely good offers anyway. If Spurs came in with the same offer it'd be absolute madness to reject it, cutting our nose off to spite our face and halving at least what we'll get for Berahino come the summer. Then what? Another season of him wasting on our bench whilst we wait for his contract to dwindle down and get a vastly reduced figure on tribunal because he's done nothing for 2 seasons.

I'd rather "panic buy" now and have 10m+ left over for the summer plus a striker ahead of Lambert in the team then having nothing now, and keep this dragging on for another 18 months. It's a dark cloud on the club and it needs to end. It's making all parties involved look bad. Even selling him and getting someone like Frazier Campbell would be an improvement over letting him waste on the bench, bringing him on for 5 minutes where he dodges challenges, and having Lambert on the pitch. Whoever we panic buy cannot possibly be worse than Lambert has been, its a exceedingly low standard we need to beat.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 31, 2016, 04:33:39 PM
We might be mad selling him to a relegation rival, but if Newcastle doesnt buy him then the likelihood is that they'll splash their cash on another quality striker. Where does this leave us if he stays ? We're left with a sulking striker. I think we need to squeeze as much as we can by midnight and then sell him to the highest bidder and rapidly reinvest the proceeds.
Going by their previous striker buys (Mitrovic, Facundo Ferreyra, Rivière etc) they can spend as much as they like. they have a similar issue to us, they just can't make enough chances to really be a threat.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 31, 2016, 04:36:12 PM
Boro have pulled out the Rhodes deal due to him demanding 80k apparently.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 31, 2016, 04:37:58 PM
Our alternative is to finish the season with Berahino still largely on the bench behind Lambert. I can't imagine Berahino's attitude is going to improve if we've rejected genuinely good offers anyway. If Spurs came in with the same offer it'd be absolute madness to reject it, cutting our nose off to spite our face and halving at least what we'll get for Berahino come the summer. Then what? Another season of him wasting on our bench whilst we wait for his contract to dwindle down and get a vastly reduced figure on tribunal because he's done nothing for 2 seasons.

I'd rather "panic buy" now and have 10m+ left over for the summer plus a striker ahead of Lambert in the team then having nothing now, and keep this dragging on for another 18 months. It's a dark cloud on the club and it needs to end. It's making all parties involved look bad. Even selling him and getting someone like Frazier Campbell would be an improvement over letting him waste on the bench, bringing him on for 5 minutes where he dodges challenges, and having Lambert on the pitch. Whoever we panic buy cannot possibly be worse than Lambert has been, its a exceedingly low standard we need to beat.
Rhodes has no footballing brain, can't really pass all that well, isn't quick but has a decent shot, he's basically equal to Lambert but costing a lot more ( another forum quoting he wanted about £100 k a week) so no thanks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 04:39:10 PM
Our alternative is to finish the season with Berahino still largely on the bench behind Lambert. I can't imagine Berahino's attitude is going to improve if we've rejected genuinely good offers anyway. If Spurs came in with the same offer it'd be absolute madness to reject it, cutting our nose off to spite our face and halving at least what we'll get for Berahino come the summer. Then what? Another season of him wasting on our bench whilst we wait for his contract to dwindle down and get a vastly reduced figure on tribunal because he's done nothing for 2 seasons.

I'd rather "panic buy" now and have 10m+ left over for the summer plus a striker ahead of Lambert in the team then having nothing now, and keep this dragging on for another 18 months. It's a dark cloud on the club and it needs to end. It's making all parties involved look bad. Even selling him and getting someone like Frazier Campbell would be an improvement over letting him waste on the bench, bringing him on for 5 minutes where he dodges challenges, and having Lambert on the pitch. Whoever we panic buy cannot possibly be worse than Lambert has been, its a exceedingly low standard we need to beat.

But you are assuming that Berahino is actually willing to go to Newcastle.  I don't think he will sulk unless we turn down a decent offer from Spurs.  Levy knows what he needs to do.

His value will NOT halve in the summer. That's rubbish.  We would get £10m in summer 2017!

Rhodes is NOT the answer.  There's a reason why he's still in the Championship.  Totally agree that we need another striker but £10m on Rhodes would be a bigger waste than £8m on Chester







Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 31, 2016, 04:43:18 PM
Rhodes has no footballing brain, can't really pass all that well, isn't quick but has a decent shot, he's basically equal to Lambert but costing a lot more ( another forum quoting he wanted about £100 k a week) so no thanks.

Have you seen much of Rhoes at all ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 31, 2016, 04:44:40 PM
Have you seen much of Rhoes at all ?
about as much as you I reckon..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 31, 2016, 04:44:53 PM
Right to reject the opening bid. It will take something head turning from Newcastle imo. Spurs will get him for around £25 million if thye are still willing to deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 31, 2016, 04:45:54 PM
about as much as you I reckon..

Which is practically nothing then.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 04:46:38 PM
Right to reject the opening bid. It will take something head turning from Newcastle imo. Spurs will get him for around £25 million if thye are still willing to deal.

Agreed.  Levy can be very pig-headed though. He and Peace are peas in a pod....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 31, 2016, 04:47:21 PM
Flog Berahino , buy Phillips and a decent Left back.

Loan Remy and Crouch til the end of the season . Loan out Lambert and Anichebe.

That would do me for this season and we'd have a large portion of the Berahino money to invest in the summer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on January 31, 2016, 04:48:34 PM
You'd have said there's a reason Austin's in the championship too before he had his great premier league season. He was "just" a goalscorer too. I can't see why any club would pay more than half of what there is now for a striker who in likelihood will spend the next 6 months wasting on our bench after he has another massive strop when he hasn't moved this window. What's for certain is we certainly won't be getting offers of 20m+ in the summer.

Then come tribunal what's the point of keeping him to get (a very optimistic) 10m? Great, we'll have this whole issue drag on another 18 months for half of what we could get now.

Berahino is worthless to us. He plays 5 minutes now and then and half the time doesn't seem to be even trying. Certainly against Villa he dodged every challenge coming his way. Keeping him here is of absolutely no benefit. You think he's going to take this ok, now that we're turning down reasonable offers for him. Doing that for another 18 months (because no ones going to improve their bids in the summer) just to get half  (at most) of what we could get now? It's absolutely insanity.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 31, 2016, 04:52:27 PM
Flog Berahino , buy Phillips and a decent Left back.

Loan Remy and Crouch til the end of the season . Loan out Lambert and Anichebe.

That would do me for this season and we'd have a large portion of the Berahino money to invest in the summer
simple except
we only have one domestic loan left
who would want lambert or anichibe
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on January 31, 2016, 04:57:00 PM
£25 million+ will be offered tomorrow when the desperation sets in. Take it and run, bring in phillips and a striker. Job done and get back to focusing on football
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiedom on January 31, 2016, 05:01:28 PM
 Take money and scarper sooner he out of our club the better can see spurs coming in tomorrow. Like look of gray at burnley then deffo a left back.like to be fly on the wall with peace and levy trying to agree :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 05:03:18 PM
You'd have said there's a reason Austin's in the championship too before he had his great premier league season. He was "just" a goalscorer too. I can't see why any club would pay more than half of what there is now for a striker who in likelihood will spend the next 6 months wasting on our bench after he has another massive strop when he hasn't moved this window. What's for certain is we certainly won't be getting offers of 20m+ in the summer.

Then come tribunal what's the point of keeping him to get (a very optimistic) 10m? Great, we'll have this whole issue drag on another 18 months for half of what we could get now.

Berahino is worthless to us. He plays 5 minutes now and then and half the time doesn't seem to be even trying. Certainly against Villa he dodged every challenge coming his way. Keeping him here is of absolutely no benefit. You think he's going to take this ok, now that we're turning down reasonable offers for him. Doing that for another 18 months (because no ones going to improve their bids in the summer) just to get half  (at most) of what we could get now? It's absolutely insanity.

You are assuming that Berahino is actually prepared to go to Newcastle - he doesn't, he wants to go to Spurs who, as it happens, have not yet actually made a bid in this window, and who made a stupid and unacceptable offer in the last window.

Why on earth would we accept an opening bid from Newcastle when the player doesn't even want to go there?  We can't force him to go there!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on January 31, 2016, 05:06:29 PM
Surely if Spurs don't come back , and theve had all month to do so, then the Newcastle offer may become more palatable for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jharman292 on January 31, 2016, 05:07:32 PM
Stoke have bid now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on January 31, 2016, 05:08:02 PM
You are assuming that Berahino is actually prepared to go to Newcastle - he doesn't, he wants to go to Spurs who, as it happens, have not yet actually made a bid in this window, and who made a stupid and unacceptable offer in the last window.

Why on earth would we accept an opening bid from Newcastle when the player doesn't even want to go there?  We can't force him to go there!

Berahino wants to be anywhere but here. He might want Spurs but if they don't want him he needs to go somewhere. As it is his careers wasting away and he's on a 1/5 of what he could be earning at Newcastle they've got more appeal than sitting on our bench for 13k a week for another 18 months.

It's like when Odemwingie left Cardiff would hardly have been his preference but he had to take what he could get to get away from here.

There is at least some logic of refusing to sell to a relegation rival, but its the feeling that we wouldn't sell him whoever bid 21m. This is a personal crusade for Peace now. As it was with Odemwingie it will just end being detrimental to all parties involved.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 05:09:41 PM
Berahino wants to be anywhere but here. He might want Spurs but if they don't want him he needs to go somewhere. As it is his careers wasting away and he's on a 1/5 of what he could be earning at Newcastle they've got more appeal than sitting on our bench for 13k a week for another 18 months.

It's like when Odemwingie left Cardiff would hardly have been his preference but he had to take what he could get to get away from here.

I think he'd rather gamble on somebody other than Newcastle coming in for him

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 05:11:26 PM
Stoke have bid now.

Really can't see him going there !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on January 31, 2016, 05:12:05 PM
I think he'd rather gamble on somebody other than Newcastle coming in for him

It's not like he'd be locked in by us accepting their bid. He would talk to them then if someone  else wants him they'll match the bid he would be free to talk to them. There's no gamble involved for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 31, 2016, 05:14:03 PM
Flog Berahino , buy Phillips and a decent Left back.

Loan Remy and Crouch til the end of the season . Loan out Lambert and Anichebe.

That would do me for this season and we'd have a large portion of the Berahino money to invest in the summer

This is real life. Not Football Manager.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 05:16:00 PM
It's not like he'd be locked in by us accepting their bid. He would talk to them then if someone  else wants him they'll match the bid he would be free to talk to them. There's no gamble involved for him.

No, but we'd be fixing the price by accepting their bid.  There are clearly other clubs interested now.  I can see it being close to £25m tomorrow
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 31, 2016, 05:17:17 PM
I really hope JP and TP are working together on this or we could be manager less for the Swansea game


some would say lets hope so
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on January 31, 2016, 05:18:20 PM
The bidding war has started!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on January 31, 2016, 05:18:31 PM
Sky reporting Stoke have bid also  :P


 Jim White ‏@JimWhite  9 mins9 minutes ago
Sources tell me Stoke have bid in excess of £21m for Saido Berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 31, 2016, 05:20:26 PM
If Berahino is worth more than £21m then he is worth roughly twice as much as the next most valuable player we have , I really think we need to find a way to get him on the pitch because not selling and not playing is not doing us any favours.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on January 31, 2016, 05:21:41 PM
SOURCES: Stoke have just made a bid of £23m for Saido Berahino. West Brom are considering the offer. #Stoke #berahino #transferdeadlineday
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiedom on January 31, 2016, 05:25:34 PM
Hits 25 million then peace will be interested imo
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 31, 2016, 05:25:47 PM
Keep the bids coming in and don't except anything under 25 million JP
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on January 31, 2016, 05:28:31 PM
I would imagine Pulis will just ask for Walters and Crouch straight swap instead of the 23m...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiedom on January 31, 2016, 05:30:43 PM
Really can't see him going Newcastle never mind stoke tbh
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 31, 2016, 05:34:04 PM
I would imagine Pulis will just ask for Walters and Crouch straight swap instead of the 23m...
Quantity over quality. Sounds about right.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on January 31, 2016, 05:37:56 PM
'IF' we're offered £23 mil (structured in a sensible manner) for him then we should be accepting unless Peace knows for sure that other clubs are defo going to bid more tomorrow. If we don't accept a fair £23 million offer for him and no other bids for him come in then that is very poor management of this situation from Peace. £23 million is very fair.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on January 31, 2016, 05:39:54 PM
Football is an amazing business plenty on here were saying we would be lucky to get 15million with his attitude and here we are at 23plus as Jimmy Greaves used to say funny old game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBrainy on January 31, 2016, 05:40:03 PM
Really can't see him going Newcastle never mind stoke tbh

Were not talking about Diego Costa here .... This is Saido Berahino .... Tottenham have just completed the signing of Moussa Dembele from Fulham. They do not want Berahino anymore .... there are no bigger clubs than Newcastle and Stoke who want to sign him .... He doesnt want to stay and play for the Albion for as long as Jeremy Peace is chairman. If Peace accepts the money Berahino will leave .... its that simple.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on January 31, 2016, 05:43:01 PM
I would imagine Pulis will just ask for Walters and Crouch straight swap instead of the 23m...
I would take either at the right price both would  strenghen the matchday squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 31, 2016, 05:44:34 PM
£23 million and Jon Walters would be a good deal for us, money to buy Phillips etc and a proven premier league player in Walters
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 05:45:29 PM
Were not talking about Diego Costa here .... This is Saido Berahino .... Tottenham have just completed the signing of Moussa Dembele from Fulham. They do not want Berahino anymore .... there are no bigger clubs than Newcastle and Stoke who want to sign him .... He doesnt want to stay and play for the Albion for as long as Jeremy Peace is chairman. If Peace accepts the money Berahino will leave .... its that simple.

Nonsense.  Mousa Demboula is one for the future.  He is being loaned back to Fulham for rest of the season.  Spurs need a striker now to clinch Champions League place

Do you seriously believe Berahino would go to Stoke even if Peace accepts a £25m offer?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: NathWBA on January 31, 2016, 05:47:59 PM
Stoke would be a good move for him. With Shakiri bojan and arnautovic feeding balls to him he'll get plenty of goals
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiedom on January 31, 2016, 05:49:09 PM
 :DBright lights of london calling him me thinks they much brighter than him anyway
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on January 31, 2016, 05:49:34 PM
Is the Stoke offer fact or fiction: source?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on January 31, 2016, 05:49:51 PM
I'm sure he played him in the cup game so he could score after sitting on the bench for a while, shows suitors he can do it a couple of days before window shuts!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiepoint on January 31, 2016, 05:51:03 PM
Getting really fed up as an Albion fan. Pulis football is horrendous but the other options weve had are assist coaches from the champ.  Any decent strikers we have had want out.  Why? Peace is a cheap-scate  >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiedom on January 31, 2016, 05:51:49 PM
His price has been dropping like a stone last few months i would of took 15 million a week ago so anything over 20 is a big plus
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBrainy on January 31, 2016, 05:53:04 PM
Nonsense.  Mousa Demboula is one for the future.  He is being loaned back to Fulham for rest of the season.  Spurs need a striker now to clinch Champions League place

Do you seriously believe Berahino would go to Stoke even if Peace accepts a £25m offer?

Not nonsense at all, But the Dembele deal is off due to that fact that Fulham wanted him back on loan like you said. They wanted him for this season .... So who knows they might come knocking for Berahino again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on January 31, 2016, 05:54:06 PM
Is the Stoke offer fact or fiction: source?

The Stoke offer has come straight from Jim White off Sky Sports News.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 05:55:45 PM
His price has been dropping like a stone last few months i would of took 15 million a week ago so anything over 20 is a big plus

That's just it - we think his price should have been dropping but it hasn't.  He's English, is very talented, and will always score goals.   Him "missing" the last 4 months is (to other clubs) no worse than having had a minor injury to keep him out.   He's still English, still young and will still score goals.

Goals = hard currency

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 31, 2016, 05:56:14 PM
All this talk of his value dropping is clearly untrue. Berahino is a commodity because he is a young English natural goalscorer at the highest level. Opening bid of £21 million cash. Bring on the auction.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 05:56:48 PM
Not nonsense at all, But the Dembele deal is off due to that fact that Fulham wanted him back on loan like you said. They wanted him for this season .... So who knows they might come knocking for Berahino again.

I must be missing something.  Last I saw was a deal had been struck with Dembele and Fulham.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 31, 2016, 06:00:16 PM
I must be missing something.  Last I saw was a deal had been struck with Dembele and Fulham.

Dembele deal off. Sky Sports News 5 minutes ago.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tucka9 on January 31, 2016, 06:00:25 PM
With Dembele to Spurs now off, they will be in the pot for him again now and rumours of Liverpool in for him in Twitter. We all thought £30m was stupid but we could get close to that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 06:01:44 PM
I must be missing something.  Last I saw was a deal had been struck with Dembele and Fulham.

Just seen the SSN news that Dembele deal is indeed off.  Could be freeing up funds for Saido bid.

I'd fancy Dembele for sure if we sell Saido.  Dembele, Walters and Phillips would do nicely and still money left over for a left back
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tennant1wba on January 31, 2016, 06:13:30 PM
dembelle walters and phillips would like to see them up the albion
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 31, 2016, 06:17:34 PM
Hope we keep him til summer as his goals should keep us up, but if we sell him then it has to be to a top four team or a foreign team. No way should we sell to teams around us and funds should be used immediately
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 31, 2016, 06:17:58 PM
Dembele for 5 million and Walters for 3 million would be good business.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on January 31, 2016, 06:21:29 PM
Why would dembele come here. His deal to Spurs is off because Fulham wanted him back on loan isn't it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scruffy Stan on January 31, 2016, 06:26:28 PM
Why would dembele come here. His deal to Spurs is off because Fulham wanted him back on loan isn't it?
Also, I keep seeing Walters mentioned - do Stoke want rid of him? Can't imagine why, nor why he'd want to leave.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBrainy on January 31, 2016, 06:27:14 PM
Why would dembele come here. His deal to Spurs is off because Fulham wanted him back on loan isn't it?

At least you have a brain  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on January 31, 2016, 06:30:07 PM
Much as I would like to dream that he will turn his form around, commit his future to us and score a hatful, its not going to happen so we need to get rid for as much as we can.

Selling to one of the top 6 is fine by me, but the thought of selling him to relegation rivals Newcastle would be a bad move, and selling to Stoke would signal just how much more ambitious they are than us.

But more worrying than anything is the thought of Pulis getting his hands on the cash. I'd rather sell Berahino in the last minute of the window to stop Pulis wasting yet more money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 31, 2016, 06:31:41 PM
Hope we keep him til summer as his goals should keep us up, but if we sell him then it has to be to a top four team or a foreign team. No way should we sell to teams around us and funds should be used immediately


I agree his goals will keep us up. Sell him and my opinion is we will get relegated. He is worth more to us if he gets ten goals from now until the end of the season than 25 million
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on January 31, 2016, 06:33:24 PM
Much as I would like to dream that he will turn his form around, commit his future to us and score a hatful, its not going to happen so we need to get rid for as much as we can.

Selling to one of the top 6 is fine by me, but the thought of selling him to relegation rivals Newcastle would be a bad move, and selling to Stoke would signal just how much more ambitious they are than us.

But more worrying than anything is the thought of Pulis getting his hands on the cash. I'd rather sell Berahino in the last minute of the window to stop Pulis wasting yet more money.
Rather strengthen the squad than risk finishing the season with what we have get in Phillips hopefully for starters.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mini gaardsoe on January 31, 2016, 06:33:40 PM

I agree his goals will keep us up. Sell him and my opinion is we will get relegated. He is worth more to us if he gets ten goals from now until the end of the season than 25 million

All depends on who he's replaced with to be honest.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 31, 2016, 06:35:41 PM
All depends on who he's replaced with to be honest.

And my guess is another dudd
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on January 31, 2016, 06:35:57 PM

I agree his goals will keep us up. Sell him and my opinion is we will get relegated. He is worth more to us if he gets ten goals from now until the end of the season than 25 million

You are assuming he will be a reformed character after another failed bid - He is more likely to go on strike than score 10 Premiership goals IMHO
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 31, 2016, 06:37:13 PM
I'd sell him to Stoke to be honest. Look at it this way; we've already played them twice, if he can score against the lower clubs then he'd also help us out. Everyone's a winner :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 31, 2016, 06:38:49 PM
I would go for a Stoke sale.
Don't boost the relegation fighters by selling to Newcastle or anyone around us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on January 31, 2016, 06:39:25 PM
And my guess is another dudd
Happy with Fletcher,Evans and McClean not so much the others.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on January 31, 2016, 06:39:40 PM
His goals may keep us up, but if he does end up staying then he has to be played.

We might as well sell and get a couple in if Pulis has no intention of using him.

It's very messy really, if he doesn't go, he'll prob strop again so Pulis won't play him as his head isn't right and the other players will be fed up of him. It's a vicious circle, there's no knowing what Saidos attitude will be if he doesn't go.

Really wish they'd just got rid last August, would have saved all this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on January 31, 2016, 06:39:52 PM
You have to hope that between Peace and Pulis some sort of agreement is there so they are pulling in the same direction.

I'd hope we have contingency plans should he go because we don't want a repeat of when we got rid of Earnshaw
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 31, 2016, 06:40:31 PM
I'd be surprised if he goes anywhere other than Spurs. If it's money he's after, he would have taken an improved contact from us with a buy-out clause.
IMO he wants to pitch himself in Europa League or Champions League, he's not gong to do that with NUFC or SCFC.

Wouldn't be at all surprised if he's still here on Tuesday morning, & he gets an amicable move in the summer. IMO his demeanor has changed quite positively in the last couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 31, 2016, 06:41:12 PM
Guys this is business - we don't need to sell based on an opening bid!


^^This. We've got them all by the balls now. Let the bidding begin.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 31, 2016, 06:42:03 PM
Yes providing we play him in every game we will be shooting ourselves in the foot if we sell him in this window
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 31, 2016, 06:47:42 PM
If it's money he's after, he would have taken an improved contact from us with a buy-out clause.

Not necessarily. I mean if we gave him better terms the chances are Peace would have wanted a bigger release clause than 21m. The amount is fair, let it happen. We've got a full day tomorrow to find a solution until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 31, 2016, 06:52:12 PM
Not necessarily. I mean if we gave him better terms the chances are Peace would have wanted a bigger release clause than 21m. The amount is fair, let it happen. We've got a full day tomorrow to find a solution until the end of the season.
peace wants close to 30 million for him  quoted elsewhere
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 06:53:42 PM
SkySports currently saying that Stoke are in advanced talks with us and that we're close to agreeing a figure, nothing about a bid being officially made contrary to Jim White's tweet though. Can see Stoke and Tottenham battling it out eventually imo, really don't think Peace will sell to Newcastle.

According to Twitter Sky Sports now saying that despite advanced talks we are maintaining that we do not wish to sell!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on January 31, 2016, 06:53:53 PM
Happy to sell to Stoke and get Crouch or Walters coming the other way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on January 31, 2016, 06:55:27 PM
Happy to sell to Stoke and get Crouch or Walters coming the other way.

 :o :o :o

If this happens i will organise a protest march.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 31, 2016, 06:56:02 PM
Not necessarily. I mean if we gave him better terms the chances are Peace would have wanted a bigger release clause than 21m. The amount is fair, let it happen. We've got a full day tomorrow to find a solution until the end of the season.

Not wishing to be disrespectful, but can you think of a replacement for Saido, who we could get in the next 28hours. It's too late now, to let him leave, we need to keep him until the summer IMO
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 31, 2016, 06:58:09 PM
peace wants close to 30 million for him  quoted elsewhere

In a little over 24 hours Peace has one window left to realistically sell him. Jeremy Peace hasn't said once this month he wants 30m for him because he knows he won't get it. Sell up, go for Rhodes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 31, 2016, 06:59:22 PM
Sell him and don't replace him at this stage. Pulis with money to spend...no thanks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 07:00:47 PM
In a little over 24 hours Peace has one window left to realistically sell him. Jeremy Peace hasn't said once this month he wants 30m for him because he knows he won't get it. Sell up, go for Rhodes.

Definitely not Rhodes.  Is nowhere hear being a PL striker.   He's been in the Championship all these years for very good reason
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 31, 2016, 07:01:14 PM
Not wishing to be disrespectful, but can you think of a replacement for Saido, who we could get in the next 28hours. It's too late now, to let him leave, we need to keep him until the summer IMO

829 minutes of Premiership football this season, hardly been the pillar of our efforts.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 31, 2016, 07:01:25 PM
Not wishing to be disrespectful, but can you think of a replacement for Saido, who we could get in the next 28hours. It's too late now, to let him leave, we need to keep him until the summer IMO

I imagine we'd pay something like £10 million for Phillips which would help our creativity, and then go after someone like Rhodes/Martin. Perhaps we could get Walters if Stoke went for Saido?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 07:02:26 PM
Sell him and don't replace him at this stage. Pulis with money to spend...no thanks.

Unfortunately there's no way that's going to happen.  If we don't sack Pulis then we have to back him, and there's no way that JP is going to gamble PL survival
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on January 31, 2016, 07:02:35 PM
Not wishing to be disrespectful, but can you think of a replacement for Saido, who we could get in the next 28hours. It's too late now, to let him leave, we need to keep him until the summer IMO
Plenty of players for sale at the right price whether we want them is another matter check out the reply to my post about Crouch or Walters!!.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 31, 2016, 07:02:39 PM
Definitely not Rhodes.  Is nowhere hear being a PL striker.   He's been in the Championship all these years for very good reason

But he'll retain his value if he fails, risk worth taking imo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 07:03:39 PM
I imagine we'd pay something like £10 million for Phillips which would help our creativity, and then go after someone like Rhodes/Martin. Perhaps we could get Walters if Stoke went for Saido?

Phillips more likely to be £8m I suspect.  Walters is a "must" for around £3m if we can land him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 31, 2016, 07:03:47 PM
Walters only just signed a new contract, he won't be coming. As much as I'd like to see it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 31, 2016, 07:05:01 PM
I get knarked with the 'We need to replace him and his goals' line.

If there was a striker out there like Saido who scores/d the goals then we wouldn't be in the market for this said striker. The best we can hope for tomorrow is Crouch or Walters. Both I would take. It's totally unrealistic to think we can replace Saido like for like because a similar player would cost us £20m+ and there would be top 6 clubs after him.

I can't wait until this ungrateful scrotum leaves our club! Still baffled why so many fans cream over him and sing his name when he has done nothing but disrepect us over the last 12+ months.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 07:05:51 PM
But he'll retain his value if he fails, risk worth taking imo.

Not if he's a failure on PL wages on a 4-year contract.  Nobody would be willing to pay those wages in the Championship.   It would be an appalling signing.  He simply is not good enough.

Andre Gray would be a far better option
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on January 31, 2016, 07:06:34 PM
Walters only just signed a new contract, he won't be coming. As much as I'd like to see it.

Yeah that's correct.

People keep throwing him into the mix because Pulis said him and Crouch were his favourite Stoke players to work with. That's why they've both been linked with Pulis in every window since he left Stoke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 07:07:22 PM
Walters only just signed a new contract, he won't be coming. As much as I'd like to see it.

He's hardly getting a regular game at Stoke these days and has Euros with Ireland this summer.  Needs to be playing.  Is surplus to requirements going forward at Stoke
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on January 31, 2016, 07:08:08 PM
829 minutes of Premiership football this season, hardly been the pillar of our efforts.

And he is still our top scorer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 07:10:29 PM
Yeah that's correct.

People keep throwing him into the mix because Pulis said him and Crouch were his favourite Stoke players to work with. That's why they've both been linked with Pulis in every window since he left Stoke.

Am less attracted by Crouch (runs the risk of bring another Lambert but would take him for rest of this season with a 1-year extension option on our part). 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on January 31, 2016, 07:11:32 PM
This is like pulling teeth, 30 days clubs have had to get this done!

More tedious than the actual football and that's saying something.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on January 31, 2016, 07:12:59 PM
Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SkySportsNewsHQ  21m21 minutes ago
BREAKING: Sky Sources: @stokecity hold advanced talks over @SBerahino but @WBAFCofficial maintain they will not sell. #SSNHQ

Advanced talks , but not selling, which one FFS ??   :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on January 31, 2016, 07:14:27 PM
I would say a deal will be agreed and signed with the stipulation of us getting our targets.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 07:15:38 PM
This is like pulling teeth, 30 days clubs have had to get this done!

More tedious than the actual football and that's saying something.

More exciting than actually watching us play though
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 07:18:50 PM
I would say a deal will be agreed and signed with the stipulation of us getting our targets.

I doubt it.  Too many things can go wrong. Peace and Pulis would have to take a punt on that.  Is bound to mean that we are held to ransom by selling clubs
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 31, 2016, 07:19:40 PM
Phillips more likely to be £8m I suspect.  Walters is a "must" for around £3m if we can land him.

They turned £8m down from Boro
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 31, 2016, 07:20:02 PM
Tomorrow is going to be an interesting day aye  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 31, 2016, 07:20:12 PM
And he is still our top scorer.

Precisely. Speaks volumes too,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on January 31, 2016, 07:21:27 PM
I would say a deal will be agreed and signed with the stipulation of us getting our targets.

Berahino still needs to agree personal terms. If him and his agent drag their feet tomorrow that would give Spurs time to match an accepted bid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 07:25:25 PM
They turned £8m down from Boro

Players wasn't keen apparently, which would have been a factor.  QPR turned down several larger offers for Austin and ended up with just £4m
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on January 31, 2016, 07:25:53 PM
They turned £8m down from Boro

It was 6 million actually
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 07:26:40 PM
Berahino still needs to agree personal terms. If him and his agent drag their feet tomorrow that would give Spurs time to match an accepted bid.

I suspect that will be the outcome. Liverpool may well enter the bidding as Klopp seems ready to give up on Sturridge.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 31, 2016, 07:27:39 PM
mirror now reporting a bid will be coming our way in the morning as well from spurs
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 31, 2016, 07:28:54 PM
what time does the window officially close tomorrow?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBARoberts on January 31, 2016, 07:29:55 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35456052

"Newcastle United have made a £21m bid to sign striker Saido Berahino from fellow Premier League club West Brom.

Baggies boss Tony Pulis said Berahino, 22, had "wasted three or four months" after a move to Tottenham was blocked last August.

The forward suggested he would not play for Baggies chairman Jeremy Peace again after the deal did not go through.

Berahino made a rare start against Peterborough in the FA Cup on Saturday and scored twice in a 2-2 draw."
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on January 31, 2016, 07:30:04 PM
Deadline is 11pm, this will drag on the whole day!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 07:39:15 PM
mirror now reporting a bid will be coming our way in the morning as well from spurs

Daily Mail as well saying Spurs

Could get very interesting if Newcastle offer £25m upfront and Spurs "do a Levy" and only offer £20m with Berahino saying he will only go to Spurs.  Stalemate.   Can see it coming a mile off!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 31, 2016, 07:41:20 PM
Sell Berahino for 25million. I see that Jordon Rhodes move to Middlesbrough is off, anything to with us coming in for him. Would be very pleased with Rhodes at 11 mill, Phillips 8 mill, Walters 3 mill and still money left over for a full back or one on loan.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 07:44:58 PM
Sell Berahino for 25million. I see that Jordon Rhodes move to Middlesbrough is off, anything to with us coming in for him. Would be very pleased with Rhodes at 11 mill, Phillips 8 mill, Walters 3 mill and still money left over for a full back or one on loan.

I wouldn't pay £1.1m for Rhodes, let alone £11m.  Is nowhere near good enough for PL.

Gray and Martin from the Championship offer far more than Rhodes, as does Kike.

Shame we missed Afobe
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on January 31, 2016, 07:45:41 PM
Sell Berahino for 25million. I see that Jordon Rhodes move to Middlesbrough is off, anything to with us coming in for him. Would be very pleased with Rhodes at 11 mill, Phillips 8 mill, Walters 3 mill and still money left over for a full back or one on loan.

Spend another 11m on rhodes who is untested in prem league?

I wouldnt trust this manager with a fiver never mind millions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 31, 2016, 07:48:16 PM
I can't believe  some mentioning Rhodes , he's championship at best unless we are planning for next season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 31, 2016, 07:50:07 PM
Ideal scenario for me:

We finish the season mid table with Saido as our top scorer

Saido scores our winner in the FA Cup at Wembley against Arsenal.

Newcastle get relegated

Saido goes to THFC with our blessing at the end of June
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on January 31, 2016, 07:53:14 PM
Surely the best deals for ius are 'Stoke' 25 mil and Walters - 'NU' 25 mil and let us have Doumbia.....his goal stats are incredible!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on January 31, 2016, 07:53:25 PM
Just imagine if Odemwingie comes the other way!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 31, 2016, 07:54:22 PM
Just imagine if Odemwingie comes the other way!

I'd be SO happy. Seriously.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 31, 2016, 07:55:13 PM
I can't believe  some mentioning Rhodes , he's championship at best unless we are planning for next season

Not saying whether Rhodes is good enough or not, every player from a lower league is a risk but no less of a risk that someone playing in the Russian league such as Rondon who we spent 12 million on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on January 31, 2016, 07:56:10 PM
Sell Berahino for 25million. I see that Jordon Rhodes move to Middlesbrough is off, anything to with us coming in for him. Would be very pleased with Rhodes at 11 mill, Phillips 8 mill, Walters 3 mill and still money left over for a full back or one on loan.
there is no way any WBA manager would get all the money from that transfer to spend.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 07:56:52 PM
Ideal scenario for me:

We finish the season mid table with Saido as our top scorer

Saido scores our winner in the FA Cup at Wembley against Arsenal.

Newcastle get relegated

Saido goes to THFC with our blessing at the end of June

And then the alarm clock went off

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 31, 2016, 07:57:35 PM
What does advanced talks and still won't sell mean. Confused
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 31, 2016, 07:57:44 PM
Just imagine if Odemwingie comes the other way!
He'd score more than a few of ours !
Depending on feeling in dressing room id be tempted with a 12 month deal.
Maybe thats desperation but I was appalled by Lambert , Rondon and Anichebe Yesterday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 07:58:56 PM
I'd be SO happy. Seriously.

He's played even less football than Lambert in the last two seasons and is now 34
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on January 31, 2016, 08:00:53 PM
He's played even less football than Lambert in the last two seasons and is now 34

Love Pete but just cannot see it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on January 31, 2016, 08:01:29 PM
Not too long ago Vardy, Austin and Deeney were untested at the top level, they have all shown they can step up and score goals.

I can only see Phillips joining if Berahino is sold.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 08:01:40 PM
Not saying whether Rhodes is good enough or not, every player from a lower league is a risk but no less of a risk that someone playing in the Russian league such as Rondon who we spent 12 million on.

Sorry no.  Rondon played at a much higher level than the Championship and was a proven goal scorer at that level.  £12m for him was a sensible risk.  £11m for Rhodes who can be scouted every week and just isn't good enough would be plain reckless.

At around £5m he would be worth a punt, but no more
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 31, 2016, 08:01:52 PM
:o :o :o

If this happens i will organise a protest march.
same here, we have to stop buying these type of players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 31, 2016, 08:02:13 PM
This transfer should pay off any loans to cover the cost of getting the academy in place so it's self sufficent in future.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 08:04:04 PM
Not too long ago Vardy, Austin and Deeney were untested at the top level, they have all shown they can step up and score goals.

I can only see Phillips joining if Berahino is sold.

Agreed re those 3 but they all looked like they would succeed at PL level.

No way can I see us selling Berahino (and possibly Chester) and only buying Phillips.  Peace will not jeopardise PL status by not buying a striker after watching Lambert's performance yesterday!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 08:08:04 PM
same here, we have to stop buying these type of players.

Nothing wrong with Walters as a replacement for Lambert.  Can play either alone or as part of a pair upfront, is only 32 and still regularly scores 10 PL goals a season.  Still also doing it internationally for Ireland.

Would be an outstanding buy at around £3m if we could get him.  Offers far more than Lambert or Anichebe and (arguably) Rondon as well at present.  Only a 2-year deal though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Galahad on January 31, 2016, 08:13:21 PM
Offer from Newcastle is a shade over £24m and a straight cash offer.

£24m up front and no stage payments.

Source, Graham Cortney North East correspondent on talksport with good Newcastle connections.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on January 31, 2016, 08:15:30 PM
Yeah Newcastle only pay up front - just the way Ashley does things.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 08:17:59 PM
Offer from Newcastle is a shade over £24m and a straight cash offer.

£24m up front and no stage payments.

Is a very good offer, except JP really doesn't want to sell to Newcastle due to them being relegation rivals.   

Reckon Spurs could get him for around £3m less because of that factor, assuming they will pay cash upfront (which Levy won't normally do). Just can't see Stoke being attractive to Berahino.

Am very confident that a deal will get done with Spurs tomorrow unless Liverpool come in late (Klopp appears to have lost patience with Sturridge)

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 31, 2016, 08:19:42 PM
Snap their hands off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on January 31, 2016, 08:20:09 PM
Offer from Newcastle is a shade over £24m and a straight cash offer.

£24m up front and no stage payments.

Source, Graham Cortney North East correspondent on talksport with good Newcastle connections.

That's an amazing offer if true! But Newcastle though? I'd snap Spurs hand off if they bid this
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 31, 2016, 08:20:15 PM
Saido will go to Spuds...His mom wants to go to London.  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 31, 2016, 08:20:43 PM
Spurs are the problem with all of this, I wouldn't sell to them because of, they caused his heads gone issues
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on January 31, 2016, 08:25:00 PM
Berahino hasn't player very much this season so will it be a loss? Get the players in to support rondon who could potentially be a 15 goal a season striker. Phillips and andre ayew?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 31, 2016, 08:26:29 PM
Is a very good offer, except JP really doesn't want to sell to Newcastle due to them being relegation rivals.  

Reckon Spurs could get him for around £3m less because of that factor, assuming they will pay cash upfront (which Levy won't normally do). Just can't see Stoke being attractive to Berahino.

Am very confident that a deal will get done with Spurs tomorrow unless Liverpool come in late (Klopp appears to have lost patience with Sturridge)

We are in no danger whatsoever according to some on here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 31, 2016, 08:32:58 PM
Sorry no.  Rondon played at a much higher level than the Championship and was a proven goal scorer at that level.  £12m for him was a sensible risk.  £11m for Rhodes who can be scouted every week and just isn't good enough would be plain reckless.

At around £5m he would be worth a punt, but no more

No i would say that the Championship is a harder league to score in than the Russian league. If everyone had your opinion about championship goal scorers then there would be no Vardy or Deeney playing in the premier league.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on January 31, 2016, 08:38:46 PM
looks like being an auction monday highest bidder please . be a mad next 24hours by sounds of it and i would get walters to replace him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RogerBadoo on January 31, 2016, 08:41:29 PM
Looks like Newcastle have come back with a bid of £24m - in cash - surely it's time to sell. We can then bring in some fresh players who will hopefully freshen up the squad. Imagine the mood he'll have if we don't let him move this time around - he'll be next to useless between now and May anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on January 31, 2016, 08:44:46 PM
Berahino is going NO where in this window . Lock the thread down .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 08:45:49 PM
No i would say that the Championship is a harder league to score in than the Russian league. If everyone had your opinion about championship goal scorers then there would be no Vardy or Deeney playing in the premier league.

Sorry but that's not what I said at all.  I said that i thought the other 3 would do well in the PL.  I just don't rate Rhodes' all-round game and I don't think he is anywhere near good enough for the PL.

Nor, seemingly, does a single PL club deem him good enough as I don't recall a bid ever having been made for a bloke who keeps knocking in 25 goals a season in the Championship.

Speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 31, 2016, 08:46:53 PM
Berahino is going NO where in this window . Lock the thread down .

Maybe so, but ffs let's play him every week; otherwise keeping him is pointless
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 08:47:59 PM
We are in no danger whatsoever according to some on here.

I for one do not think we are anywhere close to safe yet.  This time next week we could easily be looking very worried
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 31, 2016, 08:58:05 PM
I for one do not think we are anywhere close to safe yet.  This time next week we could easily be looking very worried

I agree totally. However there seems to be a lot of complacency at the moment from a lot of people.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jimmyj on January 31, 2016, 09:01:03 PM
Looks like Newcastle have come back with a bid of £24m - in cash - surely it's time to sell. We can then bring in some fresh players who will hopefully freshen up the squad. Imagine the mood he'll have if we don't let him move this time around - he'll be next to useless between now and May anyway.

I have zero confidence in any players that TP may bring in with the money, even if we have time to get anyone in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 09:05:34 PM
I agree totally. However there seems to be a lot of complacency at the moment from a lot of people.

Complacency is our biggest risk right at this moment.   

We have to approach the next two games as if they were cup ties.  On second thoughts, that's not such a good idea.   4 points minimum needed v Swansea and Newcastle.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 31, 2016, 09:08:56 PM
Complacency is our biggest risk right at this moment.   

We have to approach the next two games as if they were cup ties.  On second thoughts, that's not such a good idea.   4 points minimum needed v Swansea and Newcastle.

2 points would be fine. Key not to lose to the teams below us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 09:14:56 PM
2 points would be fine. Key not to lose to the teams below us.

Would prefer 4.  I don't mind losing at Newcastle if we beat Swansea at home, so 3 would be acceptable.   We need to bury Swansea as they look the most vulnerable
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on January 31, 2016, 09:15:50 PM
Anichebe just turned down a loan move to Derby surely  this would indicate we have a striker lined up to come in?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 31, 2016, 09:17:23 PM
Newcastle fans confused & upset that JP has turned down £21m cash for SB. Wait until he turns down £25m  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 31, 2016, 09:24:31 PM
2 points would be fine. Key not to lose to the teams below us.

The key is indeed to accumulate more points than those below us, a task made more achieveable and enjoyable if we were to beat them  :).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 31, 2016, 09:32:39 PM
Paul warhurst?
Maybe his fans thought he was an average CB, but he went on to be a good CF..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on January 31, 2016, 09:33:54 PM
I agree that JP considers the club more valuable in the summer if SB is still on the books. He cant have been impressed with TP spending in the summer and so not keen on giving him another £20 m to spend!  Come the summer if we survive a new owner and possibly new owners would have a hugh sum of money for transfers after the new sky money plus sale of SB, enough to attract a top manager I would hope.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on January 31, 2016, 09:40:56 PM
I thought the spending in the summer was down to terry burton and his mates, which is I think is why they are not with us any more.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 31, 2016, 09:42:29 PM
Paul warhurst?
Maybe his fans thought he was an average CB, but he went on to be a good CF..

Hardly? He got 18 goals one year when Bright and Hirst were injured but only 6 of them were in the Premier League. He then reverted back to centre back before eventually finishing his career as a holding midfielder.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 31, 2016, 09:43:59 PM
Sorry no.  Rondon played at a much higher level than the Championship and was a proven goal scorer at that level.  £12m for him was a sensible risk.  £11m for Rhodes who can be scouted every week and just isn't good enough would be plain reckless.

At around £5m he would be worth a punt, but no more

Rhodes would cost £9m. If it doesn't work he'll hold his value and we'll be able to get that back from a Championship side in the summer. Let's not forget he's an out and out striker unlike Phillips. Can understand people being underwhelmed but it's a punt I wouldn't think twice about.

The Saido Berainho saga is overshadowing the club and I think it's in our own interests to sell a troubled player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 31, 2016, 09:49:01 PM
There are a few options

Sell to a rival, don't give pullis the cash, hope we survive
Sell to a rival, let pullis spend but he might not play them anyway

Give berahino an elevated goal bonus, backside or not, if he gets 125k every time he hits the net, you would think that we would be safe by the time he's rich?

Sell him, get Pete back, sign Matt Phillips and Monterey from Swansea

Do nothing..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 09:52:07 PM
I agree that JP considers the club more valuable in the summer if SB is still on the books. He cant have been impressed with TP spending in the summer and so not keen on giving him another £20 m to spend!  Come the summer if we survive a new owner and possibly new owners would have a hugh sum of money for transfers after the new sky money plus sale of SB, enough to attract a top manager I would hope.

Everyone else will also have new Sky money though!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 31, 2016, 09:55:29 PM
Odemwingie has played around half as many games in the 3 years he's been gone than during the 3 years he was here and has been in and out of sides with injuries, he's now 34 years old. Leave the past in the past and move on.

If Saido goes (he who the topic is about !!) then it needs to be done with time for us to get a replacement in. For all the "lets not trust Pulis with money" there's also the fact we need players in regardless.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 09:55:47 PM
Rhodes would cost £9m. If it doesn't work he'll hold his value and we'll be able to get that back from a Championship side in the summer. Let's not forget he's an out and out striker unlike Phillips. Can understand people being underwhelmed but it's a punt I wouldn't think twice about.

The Saido Berainho saga is overshadowing the club and I think it's in our own interests to sell a troubled player.

How would we get rid of him on a PL salary package to a Championship club?  He apparently wanted £80k a week to go to Middlesborough!  If we bought him and he turns out to be not good enough (which he certainly isn't), then we'd be stuck with him while he rides out that contract.

Categorically nowhere near good enough.

Ask yourself why no PL club has bid for him over the past 4-5 seasons when he's been knocking in 20-25 goals a season in the Championship.  His game is just not good enough.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 31, 2016, 09:57:57 PM
Odemwingie has played around half as many games in the 3 years he's been gone than during the 3 years he was here and has been in and out of sides with injuries, he's now 34 years old. Leave the past in the past and move on.

If Saido goes (he who the topic is about !!) then it needs to be done with time for us to get a replacement in. For all the "lets not trust Pulis with money" there's also the fact we need players in regardless.
Pete or vic
Pete or Lambert
Pete or rondon

I'm with Pete every time , by all accounts was quite lively for the stories yesterday
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on January 31, 2016, 10:00:05 PM
Pete or vic
Pete or Lambert
Pete or rondon

I'm with Pete every time , by all accounts was quite lively for the stories yesterday

Pete's shot - ask any Stoke fan and the injuries have clearly taken their toll.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 31, 2016, 10:00:19 PM
Pete or vic
Pete or Lambert
Pete or rondon

I'm with Pete every time , by all accounts was quite lively for the stories yesterday

He's not as good as Rondon, not any more, but he'd be better than Sessegnon or McClean out wide and better than Lambert and Anichebe as a back up striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 31, 2016, 10:00:51 PM
Pete or vic
Pete or Lambert
Pete or rondon

I'm with Pete every time , by all accounts was quite lively for the stories yesterday

Vic just  ;)
No comment  :o
Rondon  8)

At a time when the fanbase is split and the gap getting wider i'd rather steer clear, thats one reason, the other is I think his best days are behind him and we need to move on.

And now you've started filling the BERAHINO - TRANSFER thread with Pete  so maybe time to move a few posts :o

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 31, 2016, 10:01:23 PM
Pete's shot - ask any Stoke fan and the injuries have clearly taken their toll.
But that wasn't the question?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 31, 2016, 10:02:08 PM
How would we get rid of him on a PL salary package to a Championship club?  He apparently wanted £80k a week to go to Middlesborough!  If we bought him and he turns out to be not good enough (which he certainly isn't), then we'd be stuck with him while he rides out that contract.

Categorically nowhere near good enough.

Ask yourself why no PL club has bid for him over the past 4-5 seasons when he's been knocking in 20-25 goals a season in the Championship.  His game is just not good enough.

If that is true he's not worth a risk with those wage demands. Where's that figure been bandied about?

With respect to your last statement, a certain Rickie Lambert smashes that arguement out of the park.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on January 31, 2016, 10:02:22 PM
Vic just  ;)
No comment  :o
Rondon  8)

At a time when the fanbase is split and the gap getting wider i'd rather steer clear, thats one reason, the other is I think his best days are behind him and we need to move on.

Agree with this.

Water uunder the bridge. The memories are great please keep them that way
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 31, 2016, 10:03:12 PM
Vic just  ;)
No comment  :o
Rondon  8)

At a time when the fanbase is split and the gap getting wider i'd rather steer clear, thats one reason, the other is I think his best days are behind him and we need to move on.
I'd rather we moved vic and rondon on , played Saido Pete and sess as a front three and actually start to play football
I get your comments about split fan base but nothing unifies faster than goals and victories?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 10:08:39 PM
If that is true he's not worth a risk with those wage demands. Where's that figure been bandied about?

With respect to your last statement, a certain Rickie Lambert smashes that arguement out of the park.

Saw it mentioned today as one of the readings his deal with Boro broke down.  Passed his medical, clubs agreed terms then he asked for an extra £20k a week.  Deal off.

Yes but at least Lambert WAS good enough and HAS done it in the PL.  Nobody knew that his legs had gone or that he would suddenly pile on what looks like about 30 pounds.  His ability was never in doubt until August and we only paid £3m and around £35k a week for him,  not £9m-£11m and £80k a week!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 31, 2016, 10:10:07 PM
Hardly? He got 18 goals one year when Bright and Hirst were injured but only 6 of them were in the Premier League. He then reverted back to centre back before eventually finishing his career as a holding midfielder.
So Alan shearer had a trial at westbrom as a keeper, he then went up front..

I win
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 31, 2016, 10:15:47 PM
So Alan shearer had a trial at westbrom as a keeper, he then went up front..

I win

Depends because for the analogy to ring true you'd be suggesting he was a great keeper  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on January 31, 2016, 10:30:10 PM
I'd be SO happy. Seriously.

Swop one cry baby for another older cry baby, no thanks
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on January 31, 2016, 10:38:17 PM
Some deluded posters in here tonight! Odemwingie is a total non starter, I'm sure Peace remembers him in the car park at qpr and the trouble he caused and at 34 he is too old.
I just hope peace plays a blinder tomorrow and maximises the amount we get for Saido and gets some fresh blood in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 31, 2016, 10:43:57 PM
Saw it mentioned today as one of the readings his deal with Boro broke down.  Passed his medical, clubs agreed terms then he asked for an extra £20k a week.  Deal off.

Yes but at least Lambert WAS good enough and HAS done it in the PL.  Nobody knew that his legs had gone or that he would suddenly pile on what looks like about 30 pounds.  His ability was never in doubt until August and we only paid £3m and around £35k a week for him,  not £9m-£11m and £80k a week!
it does make you wonder what sort of medical he had, I know nothing about what professional players are subject to when having a medical but god knows how he passed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 31, 2016, 10:52:12 PM
Some deluded posters in here tonight! Odemwingie is a total non starter, I'm sure Peace remembers him in the car park at qpr and the trouble he caused and at 34 he is too old.
I just hope peace plays a blinder tomorrow and maximises the amount we get for Saido and gets some fresh blood in.

I agree.

If it was Odemwingie in his prime then great, but he's been injured for most of his Stoke career and is too old now, he may even retire in the summer. All emotions aside, he just wouldn't be a good signing for any top flight club right now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on January 31, 2016, 10:57:50 PM
For people mentioning Couch/Walters as part of any Saido deal, anyone take Diouf?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 31, 2016, 10:59:43 PM
For people mentioning Couch/Walters as part of any Saido deal, anyone take Diouf?

Yes I would actually

Think JP will take the money only route as we will have our own targets
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 31, 2016, 11:01:11 PM
For people mentioning Couch/Walters as part of any Saido deal, anyone take Diouf?
Diouf is decent.

The problem is, cash + player deals are very rare, especially these days as they're much more complicated. I think the last one we did was nearly 10 years ago with Kuszchak which says a lot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 11:03:56 PM
I would certainly take Diouf

As others have said part-exchanges are rarel these days but he might well be a player who we should be considering on a stand-alone basis
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on January 31, 2016, 11:08:39 PM
If we lose Berahino, then we must get in replacements. If it were to Stoke, I would be happy with Walters as part exchange, with enough change left for an attacking wideman such as Matt Phillips.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on January 31, 2016, 11:11:13 PM
I would certainly take Diouf

As others have said part-exchanges are rarel these days but he might well be a player who we should be considering on a stand-alone basis

I'm sure I read somewhere Stoke have just turned down a 10 million plus bid from an overseas club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 31, 2016, 11:16:05 PM
Newcastle fans a mixture of not happy with us, and not happy with Ashley for purposely making a large bid he knew we wouldn't accept. Very odd dynamic between fans and ownership up there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on January 31, 2016, 11:19:03 PM
Newcastle fans a mixture of not happy with us, and not happy with Ashley for purposely making a large bid he knew we wouldn't accept. Very odd dynamic between fans and ownership up there.
I cant understand why peace wont sell to newcastle
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 11:20:26 PM
Newcastle fans a mixture of not happy with us, and not happy with Ashley for purposely making a large bid he knew we wouldn't accept. Very odd dynamic between fans and ownership up there.

They are certainly an odd lot, but they are likely to increase their offer tomorrow to £24m cash (according to reports) which, were they not relegation rivals, would probably be acceptable (it might still be), so they shouldn't be moaning quite yet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 31, 2016, 11:23:32 PM
Newcastle fans a mixture of not happy with us, and not happy with Ashley for purposely making a large bid he knew we wouldn't accept. Very odd dynamic between fans and ownership up there.
is the saido bid a pr stunt, just read that today was also season ticket deadline day for the geordies. if you wanted your st for next season you had to notify the club today, coincidence its the same day the put in a record transfer bid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 11:25:37 PM
Trevor Sinclair certainly is a prize pr*ck with his comments here.  He has no idea whether Berahino is even keen to go to Newcastle.  He is correct though in saying that we would get no tribunal fee at all if Berahino went abroad at the end of his contract.  Realistically it would be far more likely that we would get an acceptable offer this summer.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/01/31/trevor-sinclair-suggests-drastic-action-west-bromwich-albion-str/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 31, 2016, 11:28:20 PM
Trevor Sinclair has suggested that if saido dosnt get move to Newcastle then he should run down his contract and go for free. Someone please tweet this moron that we will get a fee for him as he has come through are youth set up dick
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on January 31, 2016, 11:33:04 PM
#wba #baggies #wbafc West Brom striker Saido Berahino set for talks with club chairma.. http://dld.bz/ekZnk 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 31, 2016, 11:39:25 PM
#wba #baggies #wbafc West Brom striker Saido Berahino set for talks with club chairma.. http://dld.bz/ekZnk
can talk all he wants but if no team comes up with valuation of player then he stays simples
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 31, 2016, 11:40:57 PM
Sinclair made a really stupid statement whilst watching Saido in the FA cup.

He said "I don't know the situation" and then said "Saido may not play if he doesn't move".

So essentially he's made a comment which he admittedly doesn't know anything about...bizarre.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2016, 11:46:10 PM
Trevor Sinclair has suggested that if saido dosnt get move to Newcastle then he should run down his contract and go for free. Someone please tweet this moron that we will get a fee for him as he has come through are youth set up dick

The article does refer to the academy compensation point, but he rightly says that the club would get no compensation if he moved abroad.

Maybe Saido will threaten this tomorrow.  If he does then we have him for another 18 months @£15k a week.  A bargain as we don't have to replace him.  If we paid £12m for a replacement striker on £60k/week then we'd be laying out £16.5m over the next 18 months.  I'm sure JP has done his sums
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on February 01, 2016, 12:04:06 AM
The article does refer to the academy compensation point, but he rightly says that the club would get no compensation if he moved abroad.

Maybe Saido will threaten this tomorrow.  If he does then we have him for another 18 months @£15k a week.  A bargain as we don't have to replace him.  If we paid £12m for a replacement striker on £60k/week then we'd be laying out £16.5m over the next 18 months.  I'm sure JP has done his sums
can see the reasons peace wouldn't sell to teams around us but is it that he won't be sold due to sale of club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 01, 2016, 01:17:09 AM
Saw it mentioned today as one of the readings his deal with Boro broke down.  Passed his medical, clubs agreed terms then he asked for an extra £20k a week.  Deal off.

Yes but at least Lambert WAS good enough and HAS done it in the PL.  Nobody knew that his legs had gone or that he would suddenly pile on what looks like about 30 pounds.  His ability was never in doubt until August and we only paid £3m and around £35k a week for him,  not £9m-£11m and £80k a week!

Lambert was 30 when he played in his first Premiership campaign. Disproving your theory that just because Rhodes hasn't been picked up he's not good enough.

No idea why you're bringing up this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on February 01, 2016, 07:22:25 AM
The bird on transfer dead line day ss reckons its between Stoke and Newcastle, it was also said that today was not all about him! Wonder if he knows that,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 07:43:01 AM
Lambert was 30 when he played in his first Premiership campaign. Disproving your theory that just because Rhodes hasn't been picked up he's not good enough.

No idea why you're bringing up this season.

Lambert worked his way up through the divisions and was promoted with Southampton.  The simple fact is that by the time we signed him he had already been a success in the PL and had already played for England.  No doubts about whether he was good enough.

By contrast, the simple fact about Rhodes is that he just isn't good enough for the Premier League.  Nobody has taken a chance on him and his club has never been promoted.  A massive gamble.

I don't understand your last point.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 01, 2016, 07:54:04 AM
Just under 25m now from Newcastle according to Talksport. Roll on 11pm when he's someones elses problem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2016, 07:56:29 AM
he wont be going to Newcastle knowing he could be playing championship football, its a no brainer hes off to tottingham potential champions league etc if they cough up but my guess is he will be leaving us in the summer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 01, 2016, 08:06:35 AM
Lambert worked his way up through the divisions and was promoted with Southampton.  The simple fact is that by the time we signed him he had already been a success in the PL and had already played for England.  No doubts about whether he was good enough.

By contrast, the simple fact about Rhodes is that he just isn't good enough for the Premier League.  Nobody has taken a chance on him and his club has never been promoted.  A massive gamble.

I don't understand your last point.

We all knew Lambert was good enough when he signed for us, didn't dispute that at all, it wasn't the point in question.

You said, "Ask yourself why no PL club has bid for him over the past 4-5 seasons when he's been knocking in 20-25 goals a season in the Championship.  His game is just not good enough."

Lambert smashed the goals in for the first three years of his Saints career yet nobody signed him. Like I said, 30 by the time he tasted Premiership football. Vardy, 29... McCauley 30+... just because you've not been picked up doesn't mean you can write someone off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 08:30:33 AM
We all knew Lambert was good enough when he signed for us, didn't dispute that at all, it wasn't the point in question.

You said, "Ask yourself why no PL club has bid for him over the past 4-5 seasons when he's been knocking in 20-25 goals a season in the Championship.  His game is just not good enough."

Lambert smashed the goals in for the first three years of his Saints career yet nobody signed him. Like I said, 30 by the time he tasted Premiership football. Vardy, 29... McCauley 30+... just because you've not been picked up doesn't mean you can write someone off.

Scooby Doo

You are missing the point.

Much of Lambert's early career was played in League 1 and 2, not even the Championship, until 2011 when Saints got promoted to the Championship.

But my real point is that merely knocking in the goals in the lower divisions is not enough.  Does the player have a good enough game to not only score at PL level, but to make a bigger contribution. In Rhodes' case the answer is no.  In Lambert's case his vision and all round game was far superior. 




Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 01, 2016, 08:31:40 AM
Whatever happens I absolutely trust JP on this one, seen so many people on here advocated we flog him for 12-15M or suggested that we would never reach the heights of the Spurs bid, but JP has shown again that his judgement is spot on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 01, 2016, 08:39:57 AM
Scooby Doo

You are missing the point.

Much of Lambert's early career was played in League 1 and 2, not even the Championship, until 2011 when Saints got promoted to the Championship.

But my real point is that merely knocking in the goals in the lower divisions is not enough.  Does the player have a good enough game to not only score at PL level, but to make a bigger contribution. In Rhodes' case the answer is no.  In Lambert's case his vision and all round game was far superior.

Not really missing the point, the same theory can be applied to Lambert in the lower leagues. Being as good as he is, why did he only play Championship football at the age of 29?

Because nobody would take a gamble.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 01, 2016, 08:42:21 AM
Whatever happens I absolutely trust JP on this one, seen so many people on here advocated we flog him for 12-15M or suggested that we would never reach the heights of the Spurs bid, but JP has shown again that his judgement is spot on.

Agree to a point. We've also been lucky Newcastle are totally desperate, I have no words for Stoke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 08:49:33 AM
Not really missing the point, the same theory can be applied to Lambert in the lower leagues. Being as good as he is, why did he only play Championship football at the age of 29?

Because nobody would take a gamble.

No, not the same theory.  Lambert was good enough, Rhodes is not.  I look behind the stats and look at his game. It just isn't good enough for the PL.  Not sure what bit of that you are struggling to grasp.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on February 01, 2016, 08:56:33 AM
My personal opinion remains the same with Saido - do not sell at any price until the summer. He needs to stay and he needs to play.

It's going to be a long day...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 01, 2016, 08:58:58 AM
No, not the same theory.  Lambert was good enough, Rhodes is not.  I look behind the stats and look at his game. It just isn't good enough for the PL.  Not sure what bit of that you are struggling to grasp.

We've got a difference of opinion with regard to his ability, clearly. Not struggling to grasp that, just bemused by your attempt to prove he's not good enough and now clearly act like you never made the statement.

One flew over the cuckoo's nest springs to mind.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on February 01, 2016, 09:35:19 AM
Suggestions that the Pritchard deal could be a sweetener for a Berahino bid?  At the very least Peace and Levy must have made up their spat...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on February 01, 2016, 09:45:10 AM
Suggestions that the Pritchard deal could be a sweetener for a Berahino bid?  At the very least Peace and Levy must have made up their spat...

Would imagine we would want something abit more permanent if that was the case?

To be honest, out the 3 clubs (spurs, stoke, newcastle) I hope he goes to Spurs, wouldnt like to see him at Stoke, and Newcastle would overtake us eventually with Doumbia and Saido up top.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on February 01, 2016, 09:50:29 AM
Suggestions that the Pritchard deal could be a sweetener for a Berahino bid?  At the very least Peace and Levy must have made up their spat...
I'm not sure there was a spat between those two. They offered a deal, we turned it down. Levy knows that's the nature of business.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on February 01, 2016, 09:56:08 AM
I hope this forum don't crash tonight like it normally does on deadline day  :o :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 01, 2016, 10:00:02 AM
Right now it looks like he isn't going anywhere the Stoke bid has been denied and we seem very reluctant to sell to Newcastle and Spurs are sitting on their hands.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on February 01, 2016, 10:03:26 AM
Newcastle have told Sky that we haven't got back to them yet ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2016, 10:05:30 AM
I hope this forum don't crash tonight like it normally does on deadline day  :o :o

Tempting fate I know but hasn't gone down for a couple of years now  :-*
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 01, 2016, 10:07:48 AM
Whatever happens I absolutely trust JP on this one, seen so many people on here advocated we flog him for 12-15M or suggested that we would never reach the heights of the Spurs bid, but JP has shown again that his judgement is spot on.

Absolutely agree, proven premier league stickers are expensive and one's who have to be paid for even when their contract is ran down are worth just as much.

I wonder how much of the resolve for keeping him here is down to Richard Garlick and if he holds the legal view that we have turned down two £20 million + bids and if it goes to tribunal that is the amount they will decide he is worth.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2016, 10:09:25 AM
Newcastle have told Sky that we haven't got back to them yet ?

peace might take his loud halor on saturday
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on February 01, 2016, 10:11:14 AM
stoke are now in for some french striker ?

saido just been pictured at the training ground
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 01, 2016, 10:15:02 AM
I wonder how much of the resolve for keeping him here is down to Richard Garlick and if he holds the legal view that we have turned down two £20 million + bids and if it goes to tribunal that is the amount they will decide he is worth.

Again, based on the assumption he stays in England.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2016, 10:15:28 AM
doesn't sound like he's going anywhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 10:16:01 AM
We've got a difference of opinion with regard to his ability, clearly. Not struggling to grasp that, just bemused by your attempt to prove he's not good enough and now clearly act like you never made the statement.

One flew over the cuckoo's nest springs to mind.

I can't prove that he's not good enough.  It's my opinion that he isn't.

You can't prove that he is good enough.  It's your opinion that he is.

No PL clubs feel that he is worth the risk.  No PL clubs thought that Lambert was either (he was promoted with Southampton).  All based on their opinions. In Lambert's case he proved that he was good enough.

Football is all about opinions. I've seen enough of Rhodes to be convinced that my opinion is right.  I fully accept that your opinion is different.  I just don't agree with it, and you don't agree with mine.

I can live with that.




Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on February 01, 2016, 10:16:15 AM
Absolutely agree, proven premier league stickers are expensive and one's who have to be paid for even when their contract is ran down are worth just as much.

I wonder how much of the resolve for keeping him here is down to Richard Garlick and if he holds the legal view that we have turned down two £20 million + bids and if it goes to tribunal that is the amount they will decide he is worth.

Thats a good point to be fair, the club would be able to justify that he is worth at least 20 million, hence why we have been receiving over 20 million bids.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 01, 2016, 10:25:24 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/10/transfer-tribunal-danny-ings-liverpool-burnley

Good article on tribunal fee's. Worth noting to date Sturridge's is the current record at £6m after the add ones were activated and included. Danny Ings' will surpass that but the fact it's yet to be settled shows the intricate nature of it.

He could go next summer and like Burnley, we'll end up waiting for the money.

Or he could sign a 12 month deal at Celtic, we get zilch and Spurs sign him for peanuts the following January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 01, 2016, 10:36:47 AM
that article suggests that we would get money for him if he moved to another league. The UK system allows greater flexibility in price as opposed to the Fifa system which is tariff based. As we would not realease his player registration I can't see how he would move to another league on a free.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 01, 2016, 10:46:03 AM
stickers are expensive

We could always play swaps like back in the play ground  :) ;).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 01, 2016, 10:56:02 AM
that article suggests that we would get money for him if he moved to another league. The UK system allows greater flexibility in price as opposed to the Fifa system which is tariff based. As we would not realease his player registration I can't see how he would move to another league on a free.

You go abroad and your club gets nothing. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on February 01, 2016, 11:15:57 AM
Twitter reporting that we've accepted a £23m cash bid from Newcastle for SB...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on February 01, 2016, 11:16:50 AM
Sky keep saying that Stoke have had extensive talks, but then state that our stance is he is not for sale. Can't both be true surely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 01, 2016, 11:17:35 AM
Twitter reporting that we've accepted a £23m cash bid from Newcastle for SB...

If we sell him to Newcastle we deserve to go down
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on February 01, 2016, 11:18:35 AM
Twitter reporting that we've accepted a £23m cash bid from Newcastle for SB...
Is that from Lee Ryder who writes for one of the North East locals? There was a fake account in his name that tweeted that yesterday so it's probably just that again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on February 01, 2016, 11:22:15 AM
Is that from Lee Ryder who writes for one of the North East locals? There was a fake account in his name that tweeted that yesterday so it's probably just that again.

John Cross from the Mirror has reported that Newcastle have made a third bid - £24m in cash.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 01, 2016, 11:25:38 AM
If he's adequately replaced then it's fine, problem is he wont be
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 01, 2016, 11:26:07 AM
John Cross from the Mirror has reported that Newcastle have made a third bid - £24m in cash.

Take it, take it, take it!

On the other hand I can't wait to see the Berahino meltdown if he doesn't get sold today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 01, 2016, 11:27:40 AM
If he's adequately replaced then it's fine, problem is he wont be

If we are going to adequately replace someone then what is the point in selling him? Why would a 24m striker on 15k a week come to us? Get him gone and get Walters or Crouch in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 01, 2016, 11:28:11 AM
Sky keep saying that Stoke have had extensive talks, but then state that our stance is he is not for sale. Can't both be true surely.
I don't want to sell my car but I might listen to somebody who offers me silly money and therefore talk to them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2016, 11:28:21 AM
John Cross from the Mirror has reported that Newcastle have made a third bid - £24m in cash.

the five goals he scores in 1-0 wins until the end of the season is worth more than that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on February 01, 2016, 11:29:18 AM
If we are going to adequately replace someone then what is the point in selling him? Why would a 24m striker on 15k a week come to us? Get him gone and get Walters or Crouch in.

Walters will not come to us, absolutely no chance. He's just signed a new deal.

If we end up swapping Saido for Crouch and pocket the £20m we deserve to go down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 01, 2016, 11:30:06 AM
the five goals he scores in 1-0 wins until the end of the season is worth more than that

But will he though? He's hardly featured this season for us after last deadline days antics. Imagine if a deal today falls through. We won't see him playing properly for us again IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 01, 2016, 11:31:12 AM
Walters will not come to us, absolutely no chance. He's just signed a new deal.

If we end up swapping Saido for Crouch and pocket the £20m we deserve to go down.

Maybe to keep his value up. We all know contracts mean nothing in football and it's a trick Albion play - putting players on new contracts to maximise the value.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on February 01, 2016, 11:32:43 AM
the five goals he scores in 1-0 wins until the end of the season is worth more than that

Or you could sign Phillips and he could set up Rondon for five 1-0 wins?  ;)

There's no way Berahino will be motivated if he's stuck at the club for another 6 months. I think it's madness not selling him and strengthening 2-3 positions in the starting lineup.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on February 01, 2016, 11:33:29 AM
Newcastle United have upped the ante by lodging a third bid for Saido Berahino, believed to be £25 million.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/saido-berahino-newcastle-make-25m-10817338 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/saido-berahino-newcastle-make-25m-10817338)

Should let him go in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on February 01, 2016, 11:34:07 AM
Maybe to keep his value up. We all know contracts mean nothing in football and it's a trick Albion play - putting players on new contracts to maximise the value.

Not exactly a fringe player though is he? He still plays a big part for Stoke City. He is not leaving.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on February 01, 2016, 11:35:01 AM
I'd only want Walters here if it were on loan. We have enough ageing workhorses as it is without adding more. He'd be a short term upgrade on Lambert and Anichebe and probably offer more than Rondon has.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on February 01, 2016, 11:35:55 AM
Or you could sign Phillips and he could set up Rondon for five 1-0 wins?  ;)

There's no way Berahino will be motivated if he's stuck at the club for another 6 months. I think it's madness not selling him and strengthening 2-3 positions in the starting lineup.

Sign Phillips and increase the size of the goals so they cover row z and you may be right!  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2016, 11:36:23 AM
But will he though? He's hardly featured this season for us after last deadline days antics. Imagine if a deal today falls through. We won't see him playing properly for us again IMO.


i think he will start every game from now on
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: superbobgod on February 01, 2016, 11:37:07 AM
Its got nothing to do with what is a good deal for WBA, Pulis or the fans - It is if its a good deal for Peace!

That's what TP keeps saying every single press conference - "The owner will decide what he wants to do".

Poison Peace wants him on his asset list when he sells the club in the summer - end of! If he sells him today he doesn't get the value and wont spend a penny of the income!

As fans none of us should want him sold today to anyone never mind a rival as we wont replace! even a sulky half fit prat is better than nothing when we have a squad containing no other goals in it!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on February 01, 2016, 11:37:46 AM
Or you could sign Phillips and he could set up Rondon for five 1-0 wins?  ;)

There's no way Berahino will be motivated if he's stuck at the club for another 6 months. I think it's madness not selling him and strengthening 2-3 positions in the starting lineup.
I agree  sell him as long as we bring in three players who will strengthen the matchday squad, he will be worse than ever if he dosen't get his move.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on February 01, 2016, 11:42:28 AM


Poison Peace wants him on his asset list when he sells the club in the summer - end of! If he sells him today he doesn't get the value and wont spend a penny of the income!



Surely it makes not a bit of difference if he's on the asset list or not. The TV deal in itself dwarfs any berahino money. And his value on an asset list is questionable when it's possible it could be a value of zero. If peace was all about the money he's sell berahino and pocket the cash himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2016, 11:43:37 AM
He will get his head down for the rest of the season, hes got no choice. he wants to be in contention for France
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 01, 2016, 11:43:48 AM
You go abroad and your club gets nothing. Simple as that.

No you get training compensation, it's about 90,000 euros for each year he has been at the club. Not much but better than a kick in the teeth!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 11:44:24 AM
Its got nothing to do with what is a good deal for WBA, Pulis or the fans - It is if its a good deal for Peace!

That's what TP keeps saying every single press conference - "The owner will decide what he wants to do".

Poison Peace wants him on his asset list when he sells the club in the summer - end of! If he sells him today he doesn't get the value and wont spend a penny of the income!

As fans none of us should want him sold today to anyone never mind a rival as we wont replace! even a sulky half fit prat is better than nothing when we have a squad containing no other goals in it!


I don't get that.  Either we have Berahino on the asset list in the summer with just one year remaining on his contract, so maybe worth £20m maximum, or we have the proceeds of the £25m cash from Newcastle.  The balance sheet is stronger on the summer if we sell him now, PROVIDED THAT WE STAY UP


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 01, 2016, 11:44:42 AM
Brilliant from Macclesfield

https://twitter.com/thesilkmen/status/694119520361943040  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 01, 2016, 11:47:06 AM
Or you could sign Phillips and he could set up Rondon for five 1-0 wins?  ;)

There's no way Berahino will be motivated if he's stuck at the club for another 6 months. I think it's madness not selling him and strengthening 2-3 positions in the starting lineup.

If, as reported last week, JP has said we would listen to offers for him in the summer, Saido, could see an "end game".
In that case, I think he could be motivated.
Personally, I've seen a more positive demeanor from him over the last couple of weeks, & I wonder if a conversation between SB & JP has already taken place.

I would like to see him stay for the remainder of this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: slate on February 01, 2016, 11:49:51 AM
Whatever happens I hope he drives to QPR today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 01, 2016, 11:55:40 AM
Whatever happens I hope he drives to QPR today.

He's completed his driving ban, if he did the full 12 months, it was completed on January 15th, but he was offered a drink-driver referal course, which is very difficult to refuse, & if he took it the ban would have been reduced to 9 months.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 01, 2016, 12:00:54 PM
Its got nothing to do with what is a good deal for WBA, Pulis or the fans - It is if its a good deal for Peace!

That's what TP keeps saying every single press conference - "The owner will decide what he wants to do".

Poison Peace wants him on his asset list when he sells the club in the summer - end of! If he sells him today he doesn't get the value and wont spend a penny of the income!

As fans none of us should want him sold today to anyone never mind a rival as we wont replace! even a sulky half fit prat is better than nothing when we have a squad containing no other goals in it!

1. Factually inaccurate - if it was purely a matter of inflating the club's asset value Peace would be better off selling him and having a cash balance of £25m on the books.

2. From a sale point of view the club in the Premier League makes it worth 5 times what it is worth in the championship it is really in Peace's best financial interests to keep the club up

3. The Head Coach is not playing him so whatever goal threat he has is not being utilised so might as well not be at the club.

4. We have had a net transfer spend across the last 5 seasons so in all probability any fee for Berahino will be spent across this window and next
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on February 01, 2016, 12:01:57 PM
tick tock

11 hours to go, he better get driving somewhere
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on February 01, 2016, 12:04:45 PM
sky reporting berahino has just drove somewhere?!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2016, 12:05:37 PM
gone to scent somewhere
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on February 01, 2016, 12:05:56 PM
sky reporting berahino has just drove somewhere?!
To fetch his Mom. :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 01, 2016, 12:15:08 PM
sky reporting berahino has just drove somewhere?!

Mcdonalds?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on February 01, 2016, 12:18:31 PM
sky reporting berahino has just drove somewhere?!

Probably finished training.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on February 01, 2016, 12:18:37 PM
To fetch his Mom. :o
apparently got a knock on training. Interesting bit of news pulis s no show away on football related business. ITKs any info
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on February 01, 2016, 12:21:17 PM
apparently got a knock on training. Interesting bit of news pulis s no show away on football related business. ITKs any info
If he had a knock surely he would need treatment, or are Sky just playing it up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2016, 12:21:23 PM
Anyone else got three windows open, ours newcastle and stoke. its hilarious reading some of their stuff on Berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on February 01, 2016, 12:25:52 PM
If he had a knock surely he would need treatment, or are Sky just playing it up.
been reported by sky but where is Tony
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mat15(MH) on February 01, 2016, 12:27:01 PM
sky reporting berahino has just drove somewhere?!

He's still banned from driving isn't he?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on February 01, 2016, 12:28:25 PM
He's still banned from driving isn't he?

Was only a 12 month ban so he should be fine.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 01, 2016, 12:34:02 PM
He's still banned from driving isn't he?

Twelve month ban was passed on him January 15th 2015.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on February 01, 2016, 12:34:47 PM
It is very significant that Pulis is not at the club today. It is fairly unusual for a manager to leave the club on such an important day; the opposite is normally the case - players arrive for talks. Could he be trying to make a marque signing with the Berahino cash?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tucka9 on February 01, 2016, 12:37:06 PM
Is Tony Pulis not in court today with all that business with crystal palace and his bonus payments?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mooncat on February 01, 2016, 12:42:17 PM
Do we know he's not at the club - I thought he was not taking training and not doing the press conference.
Does he always take training ?? Surely with only a couple of days between games the players ill be doing some light work which the coaches can (and maybe normally) oversee.

The press conference thing may also be a bit of a ploy to allow the whole thing not to be overtaken by questions about Saido - we do after all have a game tomorrow, so if whoever takes the conference in his absence can say 'I'm not aware of what's going on regarding transfers' at least the journo's might give up
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on February 01, 2016, 12:44:54 PM
Selling your best striker to relegation rivals is risky business. I hope Pulis has got a suitable replacement lined up....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on February 01, 2016, 12:48:01 PM
Pecae or Pulis have to decide quickly. Sell him and then spend the money on our targets OR let him stay, not much time left if we want to use the money to reinvest .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 01, 2016, 12:48:14 PM
Is Tony Pulis not in court today with all that business with crystal palace and his bonus payments?

The independent inquiry is due this month, although to my knowledge the actual date has not been set.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on February 01, 2016, 12:48:23 PM
TP & Saido left together ??  :o

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/814174804?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 01, 2016, 12:49:58 PM
1. Factually inaccurate - if it was purely a matter of inflating the club's asset value Peace would be better off selling him and having a cash balance of £25m on the books.

2. From a sale point of view the club in the Premier League makes it worth 5 times what it is worth in the championship it is really in Peace's best financial interests to keep the club up

3. The Head Coach is not playing him so whatever goal threat he has is not being utilised so might as well not be at the club.

4. We have had a net transfer spend across the last 5 seasons so in all probability any fee for Berahino will be spent across this window and next

Would it not depend on how the payments are structured. For example: £5 million up front would show as a cash in hand but the other £20 million would show as a debtors account (if at all as it could be subject to performance targets) ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on February 01, 2016, 12:50:09 PM
Do we know he's not at the club - I thought he was not taking training and not doing the press conference.
Does he always take training ?? Surely with only a couple of days between games the players ill be doing some light work which the coaches can (and maybe normally) oversee.

The press conference thing may also be a bit of a ploy to allow the whole thing not to be overtaken by questions about Saido - we do after all have a game tomorrow, so if whoever takes the conference in his absence can say 'I'm not aware of what's going on regarding transfers' at least the journo's might give up
Albion say he's away on football related business so say sky
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on February 01, 2016, 12:55:19 PM
Hang on .........

Spurs make their move ?

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/814177571?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 01, 2016, 12:55:25 PM
Stoke paying nigh on £20m for a midfielder. That's them out I reckon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 01, 2016, 01:09:47 PM


Skybet have suspended betting that Saido is off to Newcastle. :'(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 01, 2016, 01:11:06 PM
Would it not depend on how the payments are structured. For example: £5 million up front would show as a cash in hand but the other £20 million would show as a debtors account (if at all as it could be subject to performance targets) ?

At the moment as an academy product he has 0 book value. Obviously how the deal is structured could be make a difference but Newcastle pay their fees up front so from this point of view of inflating the asset value of the club that would be fabulous. But the basic point being selling Berahino will not profit Peace in anyway shape of form.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on February 01, 2016, 01:16:33 PM

Skybet have suspended betting that Saido is off to Newcastle. :'(
Regardless of that, can't see it myself
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 01:18:59 PM
Spurs have apparently just bid £25m (although I doubt it is all cash up front). This is after the betting had been suspended on him going to Newcastle!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on February 01, 2016, 01:23:03 PM

Skybet have suspended betting that Saido is off to Newcastle. :'(

not anymore 3/1 to join either spuds or toon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on February 01, 2016, 01:25:10 PM
not anymore 3/1 to join either spuds or toon.
he won't be going anywhere pastie
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 01, 2016, 01:28:13 PM
3/1 against is pretty much says it ain't going to happen. Think that is the end of the transfer window for us anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on February 01, 2016, 01:28:55 PM
he won't be going anywhere pastie

i think JP will get £30m for him, around 10pm tonight. Ashley's desperate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 01:29:49 PM
All getting very interesting

If Spurs have supposedly matched Newcastle's bid, then not sure why we wouldn't do the deal unless SB has perhaps agreed to sign a new contract which guarantees him a summer move and a share of the fee above an agreed figure? 

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 01:31:39 PM
i think JP will get £30m for him, around 10pm tonight. Ashley's desperate.

You may be right but an extra £5m is neither here nor there as its then too late for us to strengthen AND we would have sold to a rival.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on February 01, 2016, 01:49:06 PM
Might as well call it a day on here. Nothings going to happen. It will be all ifs and buts at 11 tonight.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on February 01, 2016, 02:03:59 PM
If he were to be sold to a rival i.e. Newcastle why would that be a bad thing?
 Okay he may score against us and they may overtake us but on the other hand he may score winning goals against teams below us and therefore helping us to stay above the other teams. Swings nd roundabouts
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on February 01, 2016, 02:07:01 PM
Dave Kemp: "Saido is still here. He went home this morning with a dead leg. We're assuming he'll be around for the rest of the season."
 "Saido picked up a slight knock in training but we are hoping he will be fit for tomorrow against Swans"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 01, 2016, 02:09:35 PM
this on twatter:

https://twitter.com/WBAFCofficial/status/694159042130923521
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on February 01, 2016, 02:09:53 PM
If he were to be sold to a rival i.e. Newcastle why would that be a bad thing?
 Okay he may score against us and they may overtake us but on the other hand he may score winning goals against teams below us and therefore helping us to stay above the other teams. Swings nd roundabouts
tend to agree & I said this earlier especially if he's not playing (personally I don't think he suits a TP line-up) - just put a clause in preventing him from playing against us like loan moves and Nabi with Peterborough.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2016, 02:10:43 PM
do a deal with spuds now (25 mil) and keep him till May, that will motivate him for the Euros. he will score the goals to hopefully keep us up because no one else will
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 02:19:48 PM
Right - here's what I would do if I was JP now.

Saido - we want you to sign a new 4-year contract at £70k a week with immediate effect.  Here's a £2m bonus for agreeing it.

Every year between 1st June and 15th July you have the option of telling us that you want to leave before the 31st August window closes.  (We don't like the January window so this option doesn't apply then).  This gives us ample time to spend the money and buy your replacement.

If we sell you for more than £20m at any time during your contract, you get to keep 50% of anything that we get in excess of £20m.  So if we sell you for £25m this summer, you get an extra £2.5m.   If we sell you for £30m then you get £5m, and so on.

We should all be happy.

1. Saido gets a big pay rise commensurate with a £25m player plus a £2m bonus for signing the new contract.
2. Saido is heavily incentivised to train, behave, perform and get his value up as high as possible.
3. Saido knives that he can trigger that request clause every summer and we have to honour it, but both he and the club are on the same side of the negotiating table re the transfer fee - both win if the fee is higher.
4. The club secures its best striker till at least the summer, at which point if we get £25m or more then we get a minimum of £22.5m after sharing the £5m excess with Saido.  We maximise our chances of staying in the PL, and we no longer have a player running down his contract.  If he's still here on 31 August them we still have a £22.5m-plus asset on a very good wage, fully motivated to do better.
5. The likes of Spurs know what they need to do to land him.  If they do, then fair enough. We still get a very acceptable deal compared with what we might get in summer 2016 or 2017.

A win-win all round?












Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2016, 02:20:59 PM
do a deal with spuds now (25 mil) and keep him till May, that will motivate him for the Euros. he will score the goals to hopefully keep us up because no one else will
wouldn't that equate to spurs loaning saido to us, which we cannot do because weve filled our loan quota.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2016, 02:24:56 PM
wouldn't that equate to spurs loaning saido to us, which we cannot do because weve filled our loan quota.


gentlemans agreement then
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 02:25:17 PM
wouldn't that equate to spurs loaning saido to us, which we cannot do because weve filled our loan quota.

Correct - it's against the rules.

More importantly Spurs need/want a striker now, not in May!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 02:25:50 PM

gentlemans agreement then

Unenforceable and still illegal
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on February 01, 2016, 02:35:10 PM
Everything gone quiet after Newcastle's £24m bid ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 01, 2016, 02:35:37 PM
Unenforceable and still illegal

All parties can agree a transfer in the summer and he can remain an Albion player until then.  It's not a loan as the transfer doesn't go through until the summer.  Nothing illegal about that but I still think it's unlikely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 01, 2016, 02:35:48 PM
Right - here's what I would do if I was JP now.

Saido - we want you to sign a new 4-year contract at £70k a week with immediate effect.  Here's a £2m bonus for agreeing it.

Every year between 1st June and 15th July you have the option of telling us that you want to leave before the 31st August window closes.  (We don't like the January window so this option doesn't apply then).  This gives us ample time to spend the money and buy your replacement.

If we sell you for more than £20m at any time during your contract, you get to keep 50% of anything that we get in excess of £20m.  So if we sell you for £25m this summer, you get an extra £2.5m.   If we sell you for £30m then you get £5m, and so on.

We should all be happy.

1. Saido gets a big pay rise commensurate with a £25m player plus a £2m bonus for signing the new contract.
2. Saido is heavily incentivised to train, behave, perform and get his value up as high as possible.
3. Saido knives that he can trigger that request clause every summer and we have to honour it, but both he and the club are on the same side of the negotiating table re the transfer fee - both win if the fee is higher.
4. The club secures its best striker till at least the summer, at which point if we get £25m or more then we get a minimum of £22.5m after sharing the £5m excess with Saido.  We maximise our chances of staying in the PL, and we no longer have a player running down his contract.  If he's still here on 31 August them we still have a £22.5m-plus asset on a very good wage, fully motivated to do better.
5. The likes of Spurs know what they need to do to land him.  If they do, then fair enough. We still get a very acceptable deal compared with what we might get in summer 2016 or 2017.

A win-win all round?

Regardless of what I think of him, I have to agree with you to be honest.

I watched all four strikers on Saturday, and SB was the only one who knew where the goal was. Whilst others were marvelling at how bad we were, I was musing on the idea of us selling him to potential relegation rivals to do what? go out and buy another SB type player to replace him! If we don't replace him then I have no idea who is going to score the goals. It is because of a half fit Saido that we are still in the cup.

So I think its a plan. The stumbling block will be JP agreeing the wage and bonus [and no doubt FFP comes into it somewhere]

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on February 01, 2016, 02:39:24 PM
Selling him to Newcastle would be ridiculous, they are still a relegation rival. It does make you think what bids we would be getting for him if he didn't play up and was playing every week scoring goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2016, 02:39:50 PM
All parties can agree a transfer in the summer and he can remain an Albion player until then.  It's not a loan as the transfer doesn't go through until the summer.  Nothing illegal about that but I still think it's unlikely.
utter tosh, this is a multi million pound deal not a bag of sweets, there has to be legal paperwork even if all parties agreed to a summer sale. what if the player suffered a career ending injury whilst playing for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 01, 2016, 02:40:34 PM
Everything gone quiet after Newcastle's £24m bid ?

Not sure there ever was a £24M bid from Newcastle, I read something earlier from a North East Correspondent saying it hadn't happened.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 02:45:39 PM
 :(
All parties can agree a transfer in the summer and he can remain an Albion player until then.  It's not a loan as the transfer doesn't go through until the summer.  Nothing illegal about that but I still think it's unlikely.


No - that's still illegal.  A player can only agree a pre-contract when his contract has less than 6 months to run.  Any agreement must be registered with the FA.  You can't have players with "hidden" agreements which could influence how they play (or dont play) against the team that they've agreed to join.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2016, 02:47:34 PM
sky sports transfer deadline day centre sounds like its getting desperate for something big to happen. its getting tedious watching the same repetitive guesswork. time to turn it off I think.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2016, 02:49:46 PM
sky sports transfer deadline day centre sounds like its getting desperate for something big to happen. its getting tedious watching the same repetitive guesswork. time to turn it off I think.


i have booked the telly for and from 9pm
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on February 01, 2016, 02:50:28 PM
utter tosh, this is a multi million pound deal not a bag of sweets, there has to be legal paperwork even if all parties agreed to a summer sale. what if the player suffered a career ending injury whilst playing for us.
Is that not very similar to what happen with the Bournemouth demari gray transfer though?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2016, 03:00:34 PM
Is that not very similar to what happen with the Bournemouth demari gray transfer though?
he went to Leicester didn't he.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on February 01, 2016, 03:10:05 PM
he went to Leicester didn't he.
yeah course he did, same principle though. Agreed in the last window by all accounts.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on February 01, 2016, 03:15:51 PM
Not all over has some seem to think then ?

Bham Mail West Brom ‏@WestBromNews  14 mins14 minutes ago
"We'll be here till quite late." Dave Kemp on deadline day #wba | @thepaulosuarez http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-transfer-deadline-day-10819370 …
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 01, 2016, 03:19:10 PM
Regardless of what I think of him, I have to agree with you to be honest.

I watched all four strikers on Saturday, and SB was the only one who knew where the goal was. Whilst others were marvelling at how bad we were, I was musing on the idea of us selling him to potential relegation rivals to do what? go out and buy another SB type player to replace him! If we don't replace him then I have no idea who is going to score the goals. It is because of a half fit Saido that we are still in the cup.

So I think its a plan. The stumbling block will be JP agreeing the wage and bonus [and no doubt FFP comes into it somewhere]


Far far too sensible, too clear, commits both sides but without enough wriggle room for the agent

Sorry ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 01, 2016, 03:21:26 PM
Not all over has some seem to think then ?

Bham Mail West Brom ‏@WestBromNews  14 mins14 minutes ago
"We'll be here till quite late." Dave Kemp on deadline day #wba | @thepaulosuarez http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-transfer-deadline-day-10819370 …

I'm sure the official site or official twatter said something about Pulis being away on "transfer business"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 01, 2016, 03:27:00 PM
The Moose on talksport has said Tottenham won't be coming in with a bid now. There's no interest from Spurs on the price quoted apparently.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on February 01, 2016, 03:28:06 PM
Seems like he's staying. I get the feeling we'll regret this. At the very least surely Pulis must play him now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on February 01, 2016, 03:28:53 PM
Newcastle still saying they have heard nothing from Albion since they sent a bid of £21m at 3pm yesterday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mrmojorisin on February 01, 2016, 03:39:14 PM
Although I share the views that Saido has behaved in a very childish way and needs to improve his attitude I would be very happy if he was here for the rest of the season.  He is the only real goalscorer we have and if he went we would be left very weak in that department.  We are not likely, given the time available, to get anyone of real quality to replace him if he is sold today.  Its a case of better the devil you know.

The two midfield loan signings are potentially quite useful and could give the missing spark.  I would be reasonably happy if our deadline day business was now complete.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba1993dave on February 01, 2016, 03:40:02 PM
He's not going anywhere now it's to late. By the way where is TP?.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 01, 2016, 03:42:52 PM
:(

No - that's still illegal.  A player can only agree a pre-contract when his contract has less than 6 months to run.  Any agreement must be registered with the FA.  You can't have players with "hidden" agreements which could influence how they play (or dont play) against the team that they've agreed to join.

No it isn't illegal.  A pre-contract is a binding agreement that a player can make when near the end of his contract.  That way he doesn't have to wait for his contract to expire before talking to others clubs.  This needn't be a legal, binding agreemnent, hence why I said it would be unlikely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 01, 2016, 03:42:57 PM
He's not going anywhere now it's to late. By the way where is TP?.
Took Saido and his mum out to lunch.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 01, 2016, 03:43:09 PM
I will be seriously disappointed if he does not go. The amount of money offered for someone who will not try for us for the remainder of the season was far too good to turn down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2016, 03:44:15 PM
Took Saido and his mum out to lunch.......


down London way
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 01, 2016, 03:47:49 PM
yeah course he did, same principle though. Agreed in the last window by all accounts.
Yeah, it was agreed in the summer when Leicester triggered a release clause (and he signed a new contract) so it was pushed through in January, hence why the transfer happened on the 2nd Jan.  Unless whoever it is up there thinks the entire deal was sorted out on New Years Day or something.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2016, 03:50:39 PM
I will be seriously disappointed if he does not go. The amount of money offered for someone who will not try for us for the remainder of the season was far too good to turn down.


whos going to score the goals to keep us in the greed league then, even an half hearted Saido is more likely going to score over anyone else we have
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 03:56:56 PM
No it isn't illegal.  A pre-contract is a binding agreement that a player can make when near the end of his contract.  That way he doesn't have to wait for his contract to expire before talking to others clubs.  This needn't be a legal, binding agreemnent, hence why I said it would be unlikely.

If it's not a legal binding agreement then it's not an enforceable contract so isn't worth anything!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2016, 04:07:33 PM
He's not going anywhere now it's to late. By the way where is TP?.

Not sure when too late will be as if they get some paperwork faxed through then deals can be completed after the deadline
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 01, 2016, 04:08:10 PM
If it's not a legal binding agreement then it's not an enforceable contract so isn't worth anything!
Which is why I said it's unlikely  ???.  You said it was illegal, I disagree.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 01, 2016, 04:09:10 PM
Not sure when too late will be as if they get some paperwork faxed through then deals can be completed after the deadline
I can't see it going through, with the noises coming out of the club and there being no real way to get a replacement I think he'll still be an Albion player come tomorrow.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on February 01, 2016, 04:16:11 PM
Simon Stone from the BBC is saying Newcastle have no chance of signing Berahino.

"They had tabled a £21m bid but this was rejected. No other deal under discussion."






Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on February 01, 2016, 04:17:15 PM
Asked about more general deadline day activities, Kemp went on to explain that with a few hours left it's possible we might add another player but it won't be a loan.

'I'm not saying nothing will happen it's deadline day, you never know. We'll be here until quite late as tends to happen. Outside of that we`re preparing for tomorrow`s game.'


Read more: http://www.wba.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=433164#ixzz3yvwBa500
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2016, 04:19:30 PM
Simon Stone from the BBC is saying Newcastle have no chance of signing Berahino.

"They had tabled a £21m bid but this was rejected. No other deal under discussion."
it wasn't rejected, according to sky we still haven't replied,
fax machine broke. :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 01, 2016, 04:21:54 PM

whos going to score the goals to keep us in the greed league then, even an half hearted Saido is more likely going to score over anyone else we have

...because we have been so reliant upon his contribution in amassing the 27 points we have thus far? How many has he scored in the league so far, two or three? We need another three or four win and a couple of draws from the remaining games which I have no doubt Pulis will grind out.

I would far sooner take the risk than have a player like him at the club, a cancer behind the scenes festering. His reaction to the second goal said it all, cupping his ears at his own clubs fans, the lad is a shambles and the sooner he is gone the better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on February 01, 2016, 04:49:55 PM
So, with Saido going nowhere, what can we expect from him for the rest of the season? Get fit and prove his worth, or continue sulking and throwing his toys out of the pram? I for one am expecting the latter on the basis of once a knob, always a knob. Anyone more hopeful?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on February 01, 2016, 04:54:57 PM
I've such mixed feelings on Saido , for all the bag of trouble he brings he is still a natural goal scorer of which the likes of us rarely have in the squad. I don't think however his overall game has improved enough over the last 18 months , his awareness and especially his passing are poor at times.
I can see why the club don't want to sell him to Newcastle being as their down near us but personally I'd have been tempted to sell and spend on the squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on February 01, 2016, 04:55:48 PM
So, with Saido going nowhere, what can we expect from him for the rest of the season? Get fit and prove his worth, or continue sulking and throwing his toys out of the pram? I for one am expecting the latter on the basis of once a knob, always a knob. Anyone more hopeful?

In agreement - if he scores more than 3 goals for the rest of the season I will be surprised.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 01, 2016, 04:57:50 PM
In agreement - if he scores more than 3 goals for the rest of the season I will be surprised.
3 goals for us is better than 10 goals for Newcastle.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 01, 2016, 04:59:01 PM
Gutted he won't be leaving  >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 01, 2016, 05:01:31 PM
...because we have been so reliant upon his contribution in amassing the 27 points we have thus far? How many has he scored in the league so far, two or three? We need another three or four win and a couple of draws from the remaining games which I have no doubt Pulis will grind out.

I would far sooner take the risk than have a player like him at the club, a cancer behind the scenes festering. His reaction to the second goal said it all, cupping his ears at his own clubs fans, the lad is a shambles and the sooner he is gone the better.

Don't forget the vile game  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 01, 2016, 05:10:11 PM
Don't forget the vile game  ;)

And the Sunderland game where he scored the winner in a 1-0 win, but ultimately there is nothing to say that someone else wouldn't have bagged a winner in either of those had they been up top. You cannot get away from his attitude and contribution to the season thus far as being a disgrace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on February 01, 2016, 05:19:07 PM
3 goals for us is better than 10 goals for Newcastle.

Quite right I never advocated a move there, but sure a deal with Spuds could have been done which would have been best for all concerned INHO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 01, 2016, 05:19:17 PM
And the Sunderland game where he scored the winner in a 1-0 win, but ultimately there is nothing to say that someone else wouldn't have bagged a winner in either of those had they been up top. You cannot get away from his attitude and contribution to the season thus far as being a disgrace.

I assume he was referring to the fact we have 28 points rather than 27 after our last league game against Villa rather than the individual contribution of Berahino to the earlier win at the seal sanctuary.

He has contributed this season despite him not wanting to play for us and clearly letting himself go a little. We can't afford to strengthen a relegation rival, £25m would have been great but if he went there and as unlikely as it may seem it led to us going down instead of Newcastle then it costs us a hell of a lot more than that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on February 01, 2016, 05:20:39 PM
Gutted he won't be leaving  >:(

Our best striker, top scorer and our only hope of staying in this league is going nowhere.

Absolutely devastated. 8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 01, 2016, 05:23:57 PM
Gutted he won't be leaving  >:(

One thing he proved on Saturday in the cup is that he is by far our most gifted finisher, he is the closest thing we have had to a natural goalscorer since Kevin Phillips and look how difficult it was to replace him. We couldn't afford to sell him to Newcastle today and run the risk of strengthening them while weakening ourselves and risking well over £100m if we went down instead of Newcastle.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 01, 2016, 05:53:24 PM
If he's here then who will motivate him? He's been sulking since July and even the thought of the January transfer window couldn't get him up for it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on February 01, 2016, 06:03:06 PM
If he's here then who will motivate him? He's been sulking since July and even the thought of the January transfer window couldn't get him up for it.

And yet with all the sulking he's still managed to get himself to the top of the club's scoring charts this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on February 01, 2016, 06:09:21 PM
Newcastle ain't Tottenham and if that's all that's on offer he may not want to go. Might make him realize that we are as good as he can get right now. Knuckle down and get the big move in summer. Just think if he stays he has to play., the others just don't score enough.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 01, 2016, 06:11:52 PM
If he's here then who will motivate him? He's been sulking since July and even the thought of the January transfer window couldn't get him up for it.

Unfortunately only he can motivate himself, the fact that there is an international tournament this summer should have been enough to motivate anyone with international ambitions. Also considering he clearly hasn't wanted to play for us and has let himself go a little his few goals have directly led to us gaining 6 points this season so he's still contributed to our season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 01, 2016, 06:12:37 PM
And yet with all the sulking he's still managed to get himself to the top of the club's scoring charts this season.

Unfortunately I think that says a lot more about the other strikers and the way we set up to play than it does about Berahino himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on February 01, 2016, 06:17:07 PM
he needs to get on twitter 1st thing in the morning say sorry to the fans , made a few mistakes with what he said and knuckle down , and score the goals to keep us up and not getting dragged into the bottom 3 scrape , ow and score the winner starting tuesday night .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on February 01, 2016, 06:23:18 PM
he needs to get on twitter 1st thing in the morning say sorry to the fans , made a few mistakes with what he said and knuckle down , and score the goals to keep us up and not getting dragged into the bottom 3 scrape , ow and score the winner starting tuesday night .

Not asking for a lot then!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on February 01, 2016, 06:26:33 PM
he needs to get on twitter 1st thing in the morning say sorry to the fans , made a few mistakes with what he said and knuckle down , and score the goals to keep us up and not getting dragged into the bottom 3 scrape , ow and score the winner starting tuesday night .

Alan Shearer said he needs to apologise too.

He never will though, if he did have the ability to apologise then it would show emotional maturity. And, if he was emotionally mature then he wouldn't be behaving the way he does anyway, so it's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 01, 2016, 06:29:18 PM
I still think he'll go, left training early after 'a knock' hmmm convenient  ::) & I think there'll be at least another one (possible two) coming in, Pulis not at training ground & not doing pre match interview  ::) .....do love a conspiracy theory me!     
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on February 01, 2016, 06:31:12 PM
I still think he'll go, left training early after 'a knock' hmmm convenient  ::) & I think there'll be at least another one (possible two) coming in, Pulis not at training ground & not doing pre match interview  ::) .....do love a conspiracy theory me!   
You never know you could be right. I doubt it though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2016, 06:34:28 PM
I saw a poll earlier today where 91% of fans thought we should of sold at £21m.
I voted  to sell purely because I had hopes we could have spent some of the money improving the team. if he stays I find it mad if he doesn't play regularly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on February 01, 2016, 06:37:37 PM
he needs to get on twitter 1st thing in the morning say sorry to the fans , made a few mistakes with what he said and knuckle down , and score the goals to keep us up and not getting dragged into the bottom 3 scrape , ow and score the winner starting tuesday night .
he isnt fit enough to busy sitting on that fat ass wate of space
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 01, 2016, 06:38:25 PM
Yeah, it was agreed in the summer when Leicester triggered a release clause (and he signed a new contract) so it was pushed through in January, hence why the transfer happened on the 2nd Jan.  Unless whoever it is up there thinks the entire deal was sorted out on New Years Day or something.

Nonsense. They had a bid accepted for Gray on the 2nd, he signed on the 4th. Clearly not a pre-arranged transfer. What you're talking about is a bit FM like whereby you can bid for a player and choose for the transfer to go through at the end of the season. Once everything is all accepted the player stays at his club, as their player but moves at the end of the season to his pre-arranged destination and only then becomes their player.

You may well have gotten the idea off FM, it's feasibility I have no idea of because it's not something I've seen before except on the game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on February 01, 2016, 06:41:58 PM
Noise coming out of #wba is that they're done. No more outgoings, no more incomings. Looks like Berahino's staying then

— Matt Wilson (@mattwilson_star) February 1, 2016
13 minutes ago
18:26
No truth in the rumours #wba are interested in Bryan Oviedo. Club don't expect to do any more deals today

— Matt Wilson (@mattwilson_star) February 1, 2016
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on February 01, 2016, 06:52:12 PM
Twitter now stating Newcastle gave bid £24m ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on February 01, 2016, 06:53:01 PM
Anyone seen that chap on twitter whos bought a spurs shirt with no.9 berahino on back. Ha ha.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on February 01, 2016, 06:57:48 PM
Anyone seen that chap on twitter whos bought a spurs shirt with no.9 berahino on back. Ha ha.

Yep I have seen that  :o

Bham mail 10 min ago reporting a new bid ??

Bham Mail West Brom ‏@WestBromNews  10m10 minutes ago
Potentially a new bid made for Berahino. This could go right to the end #wba http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfers-aston-villa-birmingham-city-10693712 …
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2016, 07:00:06 PM
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Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on February 01, 2016, 07:12:24 PM
Our friend Lee Ryder up in Newcastle claims that the stumbling block at the moment is Albion trying to find a replacement.

The dilemma at the #wba end is getting in a replacement for Berahino. Time running out for them. #nufc

— Lee Ryder (@lee_ryder) Mon Feb 01 18:58:28 +0000 2016
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 01, 2016, 07:17:35 PM
Our friend Lee Ryder up in Newcastle claims that the stumbling block at the moment is Albion trying to find a replacement.

The dilemma at the #wba end is getting in a replacement for Berahino. Time running out for them. #nufc

— Lee Ryder (@lee_ryder) Mon Feb 01 18:58:28 +0000 2016
That's the problem, if we don't sell him soon, there's really no time to buy anyone. Unless we can move quickly, we have to keep him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on February 01, 2016, 07:21:25 PM
That's the problem, if we don't sell him soon, there's really no time to buy anyone. Unless we can move quickly, we have to keep him.

Is he more valueable to us sitting on the bench though? That is the question. If he isnt going to play we might aswel sell him. If hes in the plans then we need to keep him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on February 01, 2016, 07:25:47 PM
I personally think we could survive without replacing him directly with another striker. If we could finally get Phillips it would be a plus but our style of football is hardly attacking and most of our goals come from set pieces and headers anyway. Still think we would/could comfortably survive without him

Without Berahino's goals we would be sitting one point ahead of 18th placed, free spending Newcastle United, so I'm not so sure we would be ok without him.

Sulking or not we need him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on February 01, 2016, 07:26:43 PM
If we are to stay up then he needs to stay and play

Worst thing would be for him to stay and not get a game
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: palmaroy on February 01, 2016, 07:28:15 PM
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I personally think we could survive without replacing him directly with another striker. If we could finally get Phillips it would be a plus but our style of football is hardly attacking and most of our goals come from set pieces and headers anyway. Still think we would/could comfortably survive without him
totally agree.He is incredibly average
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2016, 07:30:17 PM
Without Berahino's goals we would be sitting one point ahead of 18th placed, free spending Newcastle United, so I'm not so sure we would be ok without him.

Sulking or not we need him.

You could also say that about Rondon as well though to be fair
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 01, 2016, 07:31:10 PM
Is he more valueable to us sitting on the bench though? That is the question. If he isnt going to play we might aswel sell him. If hes in the plans then we need to keep him

As unlikely as it may be if we cash in now for £25m and he scores the goals that keeps Newcastle in the league with us going down instead then we lose out on over £100m in the long run. I would rather risk taking a hit of £15m or so in the summer than miss out on the big tv deal, obviously there is still the chance of us going down regardless of either scenario but I wouldn't want to strengthen rivals at this stage.

If this was Spurs making the offer then I would sell but its a relegation rival and only if we could get a replacement in and that is extremely unlikely at this late stage.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 01, 2016, 07:31:36 PM
https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/FA77FC27D41248051240286470144_3c327a4746c.3.1.14259632651673909229.mp4?versionId=mi9zFLBL9J0fnosA.R.kQmylhRYuokaX
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dan7heman on February 01, 2016, 07:31:49 PM
Sell him and get Remy on loan? Chelsea have said he is available.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dan7heman on February 01, 2016, 07:33:07 PM
https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/FA77FC27D41248051240286470144_3c327a4746c.3.1.14259632651673909229.mp4?versionId=mi9zFLBL9J0fnosA.R.kQmylhRYuokaX

Brilliant  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on February 01, 2016, 07:33:40 PM
Sell him and get Remy on loan? Chelsea have said he is available.

We have our quota of loans already!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dan7heman on February 01, 2016, 07:36:49 PM
We have our quota of loans already!

Sell him and buy Remi, Chelsea have said he is available
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 01, 2016, 07:39:13 PM
Sell him and buy Remi, Chelsea have said he is available

And why would Remi want to sign permantly for us?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on February 01, 2016, 07:40:35 PM
Fee agreed for Remi ............
Off to Leicester by all accounts !! :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dan7heman on February 01, 2016, 07:42:31 PM
And why would Remi want to sign permantly for us?

Fair point  :'(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Halesowen12 on February 01, 2016, 07:44:49 PM
And why would Remi want to sign permantly for us?

to fulfil his life-long dream of playing alongside craig gardner?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 01, 2016, 07:51:08 PM
Start him tomorrow.....he will get goals if he wants his move in the summer.
Selling him to lowly Newcastle would be madness without quality replacements coming in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 01, 2016, 07:55:41 PM
Arguably the equivalent of a £25M signing if we don't sell him. Best player we would look to be signing. Not convinced our coach will play him though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on February 01, 2016, 07:56:25 PM
Newcastle fans are funny
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on February 01, 2016, 07:56:50 PM
Start him tomorrow.....he will get goals if he wants his move in the summer.
Selling him to lowly Newcastle would be madness without quality replacements coming in.
It would be the ideal ending but I'm afraid that he will spend most of the time on the bench for the remainder of season under Pulis' rule.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on February 01, 2016, 08:06:28 PM
mirror now reporting we've turned down 24m from newcastle
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2016, 08:15:47 PM
60% of transfers get done in the last two hours so is the fat lady singing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on February 01, 2016, 08:17:40 PM
Fee agreed for Remi ............
Off to Leicester by all accounts !! :o

but it is now too windy for the helicopter to get him there on time for it to go through LOL


"Sky says Loïc Rémy might not be able to join Leicester on loan from Chelsea because it is too windy to fly there. "
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on February 01, 2016, 08:18:49 PM
Extremely unlikely he is going anywhere now. With the reports stating a straight up cash offer of 24 million turned down, I can only imagine Peace has decided to sell him at the end of the season, not only so he can look to score here, but importantly so he isn't scoring for a relegation candidate.

Interesting to see if it pays off, I suspect Berahino will absolutely spit the dummy after this, he hasn't said anything so far, but I would think he is fuming.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 01, 2016, 08:22:18 PM
We ought to sell Berahino for £24m but, if that amount has been bid so late that we don't have enough time to do anything about signing a replacement, more fool Newcastle (or whoever) for leaving it too late.

It's so ridiculously stupid that it invariably comes down to the last few hours of these transfer windows. It's not a sensible way to operate a business to have these unknowns going right down to the wire.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on February 01, 2016, 08:23:29 PM
We are all assuming he wants to go to Newcastle he may not want to risk a relegation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on February 01, 2016, 08:25:24 PM
To be fair to peace the consistent message is he would not sell...

I don't agree personally as i would rather strengthen the whole squad and we should have targets in place set up to replace him. Newcastle should have bid earlier.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 01, 2016, 08:25:25 PM
If he knuckles down, applies himself himself and behaves then he will play. Whether he will or not is entirely down too him. The club now have put themselves in a difficult position come the summer regarding his value. If Danny Ings' compensation is set below the £12m Spurs offered for him, Peace could have made an expensive error.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2016, 08:25:37 PM
drifted out to 10/1 with sky to join spurs. :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 01, 2016, 08:25:44 PM
We are all assuming he wants to go to Newcastle he may not want to risk a relegation.

Money talks surely? 75k a week I bet he would get there and could also insist on a relegation release fee.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on February 01, 2016, 08:28:25 PM
We ought to sell Berahino for £24m but, if that amount has been bid so late that we don't have enough time to do anything about signing a replacement, more fool Newcastle (or whoever) for leaving it too late.

It's so ridiculously stupid that it invariably comes down to the last few hours of these transfer windows. It's not a sensible way to operate a business to have these unknowns going right down to the wire.

I agree we will not get £24 million pounds in a one payment in the summer. Typical hard nosed Peace, take the offer and look to rebuild the team with good players who want to play for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on February 01, 2016, 08:29:01 PM
This is hilarious! Newcastle fans wetting themselves on Twitter. Can't understand why JP would turn down £24m...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 01, 2016, 08:31:36 PM
I agree we will not get £24 million pounds in a one payment in the summer. Typical hard nosed Peace, take the offer and look to rebuild the team with good players who want to play for us.

We'd have 2 and a half hours to do that. Absolutely right not to sell this late in the window and particularly to Newcastle.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on February 01, 2016, 08:33:55 PM
We'd have 2 and a half hours to do that. Absolutely right not to sell this late in the window and particularly to Newcastle.
Well said Jacko.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on February 01, 2016, 08:34:46 PM
This is hilarious! Newcastle fans wetting themselves on Twitter. Can't understand why JP would turn down £24m...

He hasn't
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 01, 2016, 08:37:31 PM
He hasn't

HaHa you tease  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on February 01, 2016, 08:37:57 PM
He hasn't
Do you know something we don't?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on February 01, 2016, 08:40:12 PM
Do you know something we don't?

We had better sign replacements - we'very had 18 months planning...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on February 01, 2016, 08:40:35 PM
Maybe he means Newcastle actually have not made a bid for £24 million ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on February 01, 2016, 08:41:43 PM
Maybe he means Newcastle actually have not made a bid for £24 million ?

Exactly this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 08:44:04 PM
We'd have 2 and a half hours to do that. Absolutely right not to sell this late in the window and particularly to Newcastle.

Why do clubs always leave it so late?  Does anyone actually think that a club like West Brom can just afford to go out and buy a £15m striker just in case Berahino goes in the last few hours?   Newcastle and Spurs have had a whole month to get Berahino!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on February 01, 2016, 08:45:22 PM
albion source just told sky he's still going absolutey nowhere
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 01, 2016, 08:45:37 PM
I'm disappointed he's still here to be honest - the bloke is a bad egg in my view.

What he needs to do now however is knuckle down, score some goals and earn himself his move in the summer.

Whether he's grown up enough to do that I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on February 01, 2016, 08:47:25 PM
Unless something very very silly happens he is an Albion player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on February 01, 2016, 08:49:04 PM
Can we change the record now, Sky reporter outside the training ground has confirmed the club have said Berahino is Going NOWHERE !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on February 01, 2016, 08:52:12 PM
Why do clubs always leave it so late?  Does anyone actually think that a club like West Brom can just afford to go out and buy a £15m striker just in case Berahino goes in the last few hours?   Newcastle and Spurs have had a whole month to get Berahino!

Because its like a game of poker, the last minute bid trying to panic the selling club to take the offer, it isn't likely to happen with our Jezza though!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2016, 08:53:36 PM
I'm disappointed he's still here to be honest - the bloke is a bad egg in my view.

What he needs to do now however is knuckle down, score some goals and earn himself his move in the summer.

Whether he's grown up enough to do that I'm not sure.
he doesn't have to knuckle down or earn a move though now does he, with clubs still interested in signing him after the last 6 months he can still be a twonk and get a move.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 01, 2016, 08:55:39 PM
he doesn't have to knuckle down or earn a move though now does he, with clubs still interested in signing him after the last 6 months he can still be a twonk and get a move.

The better he plays, the better the destination.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on February 01, 2016, 08:57:02 PM
Thats spot on Scooby Doo.

He might have had a shock at who actually has bid for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 01, 2016, 09:01:26 PM
he doesn't have to knuckle down or earn a move though now does he, with clubs still interested in signing him after the last 6 months he can still be a twonk and get a move.

If he sits around scratching his backside he can kiss goodbye to the likes of Tottenham.

I would hope a professional footballer has a bit more about him than that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2016, 09:01:49 PM
The better he plays, the better the destination.
with a pea as a brain I don't think saido will look at it like any rational person.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on February 01, 2016, 09:04:21 PM
If he sits around scratching his backside he can kiss goodbye to the likes of Tottenham.

I would hope a professional footballer has a bit more about him than that.
Have Spurs actually bid this time ?, not sure we will get a Saido melt down if not over Newcastle.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on February 01, 2016, 09:04:31 PM
Have a gander at this. very interesting

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/arti ... -standoff/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2016, 09:06:19 PM
Have a gander at this. very interesting

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/arti ... -standoff/


Old news that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 01, 2016, 09:13:03 PM
Have Spurs actually bid this time ?, not sure we will get a Saido melt down if not over Newcastle.

No, but if he starts scoring goals and playing to his potential then you would imagine they would come into the market for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 09:15:26 PM
Thats spot on Scooby Doo.

He might have had a shock at who actually has bid for him.

And how much they were willing to pay!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on February 01, 2016, 09:23:38 PM
No, but if he starts scoring goals and playing to his potential then you would imagine they would come into the market for him.
Possibly mate but I think he may well have put a few off with his antics in the Summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on February 01, 2016, 09:25:41 PM
How about this one .... Berahino to Chelsea  Remey to us on loan for the rest of the season 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B714LF on February 01, 2016, 09:26:42 PM
Gutted he's still here but I understand the logic re selling to Newcastle. Nothing against him other than he wants to go. I don't want any player who doesn't want to play for us. Roll on the summer for the nonsense to continue!

I would also like to say watch him do nothing! So overrated.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on February 01, 2016, 09:27:26 PM
How about this one .... Berahino to Chelsea  Remey to us on loan for the rest of the season
We can't get anymore player's on loan
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sammyg on February 01, 2016, 09:27:44 PM
How about this one .... Berahino to Chelsea  Remey to us on loan for the rest of the season

not possible, we've used up all our domestic loans
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B714LF on February 01, 2016, 09:30:30 PM
He's not being sold in this window. Lol
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 09:36:08 PM
not possible, we've used up all our domestic loans

It would have to be a straight swap (plus about £11m)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 01, 2016, 09:36:28 PM
I love the way sky are trying to keep this exciting, I'm sure they will still be saying it might happen at five to eleven.

Seriously, we would be mad to sell this late, but Pulis must start playing him otherwise it's a waste.

To be fair, he will still be worth 20 million in the summer, so Peace may as well wait.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2016, 09:38:19 PM
I love the way sky are trying to keep this exciting, I'm sure they will still be saying it might happen at five to eleven.

Seriously, we would be mad to sell this late, but Pulis must start playing him otherwise it's a waste.

To be fair, he will still be worth 20 million in the summer, so Peace may as well wait.



I agree, sky are desperate lol
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Halesowen12 on February 01, 2016, 09:40:53 PM
124 pages and he is still an albion player  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on February 01, 2016, 09:41:53 PM
Clutching at straws but Naill Quinn seems to know something is going on .lets hope getting a little bored
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2016, 09:42:15 PM


I agree, sky are desperate lol
just imagine how many fools myself included have watched this tripe most of the day, not a lot really happens its just bull. :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2016, 09:44:06 PM
just imagine how many fools myself included have watched this tripe most of the day, not a lot really happens its just bull. :)


Some even booked the day off :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2016, 09:53:19 PM

Some even booked the day off :D
as homer simpson would say DOH. :'(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on February 01, 2016, 09:53:25 PM
Turned off after they had breaking news that the septic one had nothing to say. This is like watching paint dry.BREAKING NEWS NOTHING HAPPENING  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sammyg on February 01, 2016, 10:04:14 PM
Saido just tweeted 'Saido Berahino ‏@SBerahino  34s34 seconds ago
Everyone waiting once again for the silly little spoilt boy to make same mistake so here you go.
Goodnight all and thanks for the support❤️'
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on February 01, 2016, 10:06:18 PM
wtf does that mean  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RogerBadoo on February 01, 2016, 10:07:54 PM
All done and dusted again. He needs to get a few goals and move on in the summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sammyg on February 01, 2016, 10:08:55 PM
wtf does that mean  :o

Don't ask me  :-\ I put it on here hoping to get an idea of what it meant! I guess he's trying to say he has grown up a bit, I think!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on February 01, 2016, 10:09:12 PM
I'm slightly more hopeful that he'll get his head down and crack on for the rest of this season, after that tweet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 01, 2016, 10:09:19 PM
wtf does that mean  :o

It's a good show of humour
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on February 01, 2016, 10:09:52 PM
Yeah I think he is resigned to staying and just stating he won't make a headline out of himself this time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on February 01, 2016, 10:11:21 PM
wtf does that mean  :o

Sticking his fingers up to all the people who constantly slate him, hopefully he has grew up a little and knows he has to knuckle down. see him getting 15 goals in all comps this season now!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on February 01, 2016, 10:12:27 PM
Yeah pretty much he's learnt from his mistake last transfer window and he isn't going anywhere until the summer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on February 01, 2016, 10:12:44 PM
Gates just opened at the training ground thought I saw Ronaldo running through the gates!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on February 01, 2016, 10:14:08 PM
Gates just opened at the training ground thought I saw Ronaldo running through the gates!

Wasn't handcuffed with a bag over his head was he
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on February 01, 2016, 10:16:10 PM
No sorry I got the name wrong it was Ron Aldo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on February 01, 2016, 10:21:07 PM
Saido just tweeted 'Saido Berahino ‏@SBerahino  34s34 seconds ago
Everyone waiting once again for the silly little spoilt boy to make same mistake so here you go.
Goodnight all and thanks for the support❤️'

Stop acting like a silly little spoilt boy then...

In life people get judged on their actions. He has behaved like a boy over the past few years when he is a grown man. Even in this window he couldn't stay quiet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 01, 2016, 10:23:02 PM
Stop acting like a silly little spoilt boy then...

In life people get judged on their actions. He has behaved like a boy over the past few years when he is a grown man. Even in this window he couldn't stay quiet.
He's a boy who is very good at his job, Ricky Lambert is a man, who do you take?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on February 01, 2016, 10:24:09 PM
Stop acting like a silly little spoilt boy then...

In life people get judged on their actions. He has behaved like a boy over the past few years when he is a grown man. Even in this window he couldn't stay quiet.

Looks like he has made the same mistake again in tweeting this nonsense.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on February 01, 2016, 10:24:21 PM
Stop acting like a silly little spoilt boy then...

In life people get judged on their actions. He has behaved like a boy over the past few years when he is a grown man. Even in this window he couldn't stay quiet.

he hasn't...

the Tweet says that he admits that he has acted badly previously and is not going to now.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 01, 2016, 10:27:10 PM
I can understand his frustrations & I guess he's only 22, but I agree, it would have been far better to tweet less cryptically, or better still not at all.
He's still not learned how to build bridges.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on February 01, 2016, 10:29:49 PM
I don't have twitter but am told by someone who does, that Saido's account has been bombarded today with tweets trying to provoke him etc....

that was not actually a bad way to shut it all down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on February 01, 2016, 10:30:39 PM
Best way to build bridges is for him to score a few goals and keep us up. He'd presumably get the move he wants in the process.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 10:32:14 PM
The comments from the likes of Shearer, Henry and 'Arry will hopefully have caused the penny to drop

If he gets his head down for the next 3 months he could still go to the Euros
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on February 01, 2016, 10:35:57 PM
Bit of a tw@tty tweet - he may want to go but should realise that the feeling is more than mutual by many. Now roll your socks up and show the world that a 'big club' should buy you in the summer...and make Hodgson take note. Well done Peace, it's nice to know we have a strong character looking after the clubs best interests and not some player with an attitude.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 01, 2016, 10:36:03 PM
I don't have twitter but am told by someone who does, that Saido's account has been bombarded today with tweets trying to provoke him etc....

that was not actually a bad way to shut it all down.

Don't need to have Twitter, if this forum is representative of our fan base, 90% wanted him gone.

As I said previously, I can understand his frustrations, but he had to be mentored to rise above it. Cryptic tweets won't endear him to anybody.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 01, 2016, 10:36:17 PM
he hasn't...

the Tweet says that he admits that he has acted badly previously and is not going to now.

Why do people have their heads so high in the clouds?

If he had realised his mistake do you not think that he would have knuckled down and not let his fitness get to such a shoddy level prior to 10.00pm this evening? People make me laugh.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 01, 2016, 10:36:43 PM
Looks like he has made the same mistake again in tweeting this nonsense.
Its nowhere near as controversial as the last time, it's easy to blow these comments out of proportion.

The media will prob do their best to make something of nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on February 01, 2016, 10:39:54 PM
Why can't he just not bloody tweet at all?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 01, 2016, 10:40:06 PM
Its nowhere near as controversial as the last time, it's easy to blow these comments out of proportion.

The media will prob do their best to make something of nothing.

But if he had tweeted nothing, there would have been nothing to make something about.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on February 01, 2016, 10:41:25 PM
But if he had tweeted nothing, there would have been nothing to make something about.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on February 01, 2016, 10:42:22 PM
And this is why it's so hard for a young footballer with fans,advisors, family, friends and colleagues all in his ear......it's a tweet....can't see the cryptic nature myself. I'm not a big fan of his but his a baggies player for now and I'm not going to blow a few words out of proportion. I suggest everyone has a lye down and go to bed, it's done until the summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2016, 10:45:00 PM
not sure what the tweet is intended to imply, best to say nothing and just get on with it. glad we've still got a goal scorer at the club but if he doesn't get selected I think we've thrown away the best deal likely to be offered.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dubya BA on February 01, 2016, 10:45:28 PM
Not sure I could go to sleep before 11 mate-just in case....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on February 01, 2016, 10:46:18 PM
He's a boy who is very good at his job, Ricky Lambert is a man, who do you take?
Berahino every day of the week, but that is irrelevant to my point.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tucka9 on February 01, 2016, 10:46:42 PM
I actually think the tweet is aimed at last Windows antics and that he has not threw his toys out the prem to force a move this time, lets now get behind him bang the goals in and he will end up at a much better club than Newcastle or Stoke!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ripryan1971 on February 01, 2016, 10:54:19 PM
Lads Berahino didn't have to tweet tonight.

He loves being the centre of attention and wants the final word on the matter.

All this, he's only 22 years old business is rubbish, get your head down, get fit, stop turning up for training late and prove to everyone that you are a class player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbawill on February 01, 2016, 11:00:42 PM
Yeah, he didn't have to tweet but I don't really care about that one, it made me laugh!  He's even admitting he made a mistake tweeting last time. I'm delighted he's still at the club as he's comfortably our most talented player so let's just hope he gets on with his football and scores goals, which suits all parties.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dubya BA on February 01, 2016, 11:02:15 PM
well that 's it until the summer transfer window-night folks..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on February 01, 2016, 11:05:30 PM
did you see his tweet?? Im not on twitter so dont know if real, but this is what Daily Telegraph has him saying

"Everyone waiting once again for the silly little spoilt boy to make same mistake so here you go.
Goodnight all and thanks for the support"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SirTonyM on February 01, 2016, 11:06:10 PM
I think a transfer is all arranged for this summer. Probably spurs due to us getting pritchard. Just a hunch but I think Peace had agreed to sell and pulis will play Berhaino now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 01, 2016, 11:07:33 PM
did you see his tweet?? Im not on twitter so dont know if real, but this is what Daily Telegraph has him saying

"Everyone waiting once again for the silly little spoilt boy to make same mistake so here you go.
Goodnight all and thanks for the support"

Has been baited mercilessly today, as Berahino tweets go this one is quite mature.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 01, 2016, 11:08:32 PM
I think a transfer is all arranged for this summer. Probably spurs due to us getting pritchard. Just a hunch but I think Peace had agreed to sell and pulis will play Berhaino now.

Here's hoping.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 01, 2016, 11:10:31 PM
Yeah, he didn't have to tweet but I don't really care about that one, it made me laugh!  He's even admitting he made a mistake tweeting last time. I'm delighted he's still at the club as he's comfortably our most talented player so let's just hope he gets on with his football and scores goals, which suits all parties.


Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted he's still at the club, but I was hoping that he had reached a workable understanding with TP &JP so that we had a smooth ride between now & the end of the season. Got to say, now I'm not so sure that will be the case.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on February 01, 2016, 11:12:14 PM
Has been baited mercilessly today, as Berahino tweets go this one is quite mature.
Found it quite funny , maybe just maybe the penny has dropped.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 01, 2016, 11:19:52 PM
I read that as
so I am still here, people will be expecting me to react, so here goes

Good night xx

quite funny actually
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieman1805 on February 01, 2016, 11:20:47 PM
Hat trick tomorrow ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2016, 11:26:43 PM
I think a transfer is all arranged for this summer. Probably spurs due to us getting pritchard. Just a hunch but I think Peace had agreed to sell and pulis will play Berhaino now.

Not sure about that.  Did Spurs actually submit a bid?  They were desperate for another striker so I'm not sure that they wanted to wait till the sumner to get him.

The Pritchard loan might just have given them first option at say £20m in the summer, which would have kept Saido happy seeing as JP was so reluctant to sell now

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on February 01, 2016, 11:29:06 PM
Hope he recovers his form as his goals should keep us up starting at home to Swansea
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on February 01, 2016, 11:30:21 PM
I am so angry that this idiot is still an Albion player,that i am not going to make any more comments until i have slept on it!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on February 01, 2016, 11:54:42 PM
I am so angry that this idiot is still an Albion player,that i am not going to make any more comments until i have slept on it!!

I'm happy, think he knows he's been a clown and it's in everyone's interest for him to start playing now. 15 goals I think now for the season. Will mean 3 good goalscoring season, not many strikers can actually blast that really
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 02, 2016, 12:22:37 AM
I for one think Jeremy Peace has played a blinder so far.  He's refused to cave in to Saido's wish to leave, and in truth has probably helped Saido's career and prevented him from having to move to Newcastle or Stoke.

Saido clearly wants to go to Spurs.  Spurs did not actually make a bid so that was never an option.  No club made an offer early enough to enable us to buy a replacement, even assuming that (a) the bid was acceptable to the club, or (b) Saido was prepared to go to those clubs.   These clubs really need to learn that making serious bids when it's too late for the selling club to buy a replacement is pointless.

Where does it leave us with Saido?  That's the big question. The likes of Shearer, Henry and Harry Redknapp have given him some blunt advice today - he needs to knuckle down, get picked, score goals and he will earn his move.  He might even make the Euros.  Let's hope for Saido the penny has finally dropped.

For those who think JP has lost the plot by turning down £24m cash for Saido, let's consider the maths.  At tribunal in summer 2017 we are extremely likely to get close to £15m as it is a fact that today his market value is £24m (plus add-ons apparently).   So by not selling him now we may be throwing away £10m (although I think we could still get £20-£25m this summer with the new TV money coming in.  However, if we had bought another striker today for say £15m and £75k a week, then our outlay over the next 18 months would be nearly £21m.  With Saido only earning £15k a week, our outlay on his wages over the next 18 months is just £1.1m.  So if we lose £10m - no let's be conservative and say we will lose £15m rather than £10m on his value, our "cost" of keeping Saido is £16.1m over 18 months, compared with £21m if we buy a replacement.  Given that his goals over the next 18 months can keep us in the PL, it is fair to say that JP has worked this all out.

But I wouldn't leave it at that.  I think we should strike a new deal with Saido and offer him a new contract.  I would offer him a new 3-year deal on £60k/week plus a £2m bonus for signing it, and include a clause which would entities him to 50% of anything we get over £20m for him during his contract.  A massive incentive for him to do well and secure his dream move.  If he does well then we do well, and it immediately removes the gamble for the club of going to tribunal next year.  A win/win situation.

I realise it could cause an issue re the FFP wage gap seeing as we didn't offload anyone. That could be addressed by making the wage increase effective from say 1st June so that it has minimal impact on this season.  Not ideal but may be essential.

A highly motivated Saido on top of his game will reap massive benefits for us and for him.  No, it won't compensate for his very unprofessional behaviour since August, but we can put that fond to immaturity and very poor advice.  Time to move forward and I am convinced that we can turn what's been a nightmare into a major positive both for Saido and for the club.





 

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on February 02, 2016, 12:24:01 AM
Berahino tweet in case anyone missed it.

Everyone waiting once again for the silly little spoilt boy to make same mistake so here you go.
Goodnight all and thanks for the support❤️
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Vassassin on February 02, 2016, 12:39:50 AM
Glad he has not gone for 20 odd million. Don't know what I am missing but if rumors about Stones (defender with 65PL games and 1 goal) at 50mil, then Saido's rumors (88PL games for 22) IMHO should be for more. Suppose it all depends on who is doing the shopping. If he pulls his finger out, JP could be sitting on a gold mine.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 02, 2016, 12:58:28 AM
Overseas that is a decent summation of where things are at.

I don't think there is any realistic chance of Berahino signing a new contract even with some pretty favourable  terms. Equally a lot depends on a the player knuckling down and the Head Coach playing him. I am not convinced that either will happen and the latter is dependent on the former.

Peace has done what Peace can be relied on to do which is not sell a player for less than he thinks he's worth. Frankly I am surprised that a £24m straight cash offer was knocked back but plainly there were no off the shelf deals to be done for possible replacements and the fact that Newcastle are not that far behind us in the table could have influenced the club's thinking.

What this window has demonstrated is the price for Berahino is north of £20m and there are more than one club to pay that price. This might influence a transfer panel if things get that far but a lot of water has to flow under the bridge for us to get there and unless Berahino is playing regularly I doubt a tribunal will go beyond £10m.

It is now down to Saido and Pulis to make the most of a bad job (from their point of view) and get through to the end of the season when this matter will finally be resolved.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 02, 2016, 01:11:47 AM
For those who think JP has lost the plot by turning down £24m cash for Saido, let's consider the maths.  At tribunal in summer 2017 we are extremely likely to get close to £15m as it is a fact that today his market value is £24m (plus add-ons apparently).   

Quick one, what if his form drastically deteriorates and in the next 18 months is a shadow of his former self? Again you fail to aknowledge a move outside England leaves us with not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 02, 2016, 01:18:59 AM
Quick one, what if his form drastically deteriorates and in the next 18 months is a shadow of his former self? Again you fail to aknowledge a move outside England leaves us with not.

Yes, loss of form is obviously a risk, as would be loss of form of an expensive replacement player.  Unlikely, but clearly possible.

Not sure what you mean by "again" as I've acknowledged it previously, but yes, a move abroad would mean no tribunal fee which is another reason to remove this risk by offering him a new contract with a buyout clause.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 02, 2016, 01:24:40 AM
Overseas that is a decent summation of where things are at.

I don't think there is any realistic chance of Berahino signing a new contract even with some pretty favourable  terms. Equally a lot depends on a the player knuckling down and the Head Coach playing him. I am not convinced that either will happen and the latter is dependent on the former.

Peace has done what Peace can be relied on to do which is not sell a player for less than he thinks he's worth. Frankly I am surprised that a £24m straight cash offer was knocked back but plainly there were no off the shelf deals to be done for possible replacements and the fact that Newcastle are not that far behind us in the table could have influenced the club's thinking.

What this window has demonstrated is the price for Berahino is north of £20m and there are more than one club to pay that price. This might influence a transfer panel if things get that far but a lot of water has to flow under the bridge for us to get there and unless Berahino is playing regularly I doubt a tribunal will go beyond £10m.

It is now down to Saido and Pulis to make the most of a bad job (from their point of view) and get through to the end of the season when this matter will finally be resolved.

Standaman

I'm not sure why he wouldn't sign a new contract.  A massive pay rise, a big signing on fee and a share of his future transfer fee with a fixed buyout clause isn't exactly tying him into anything undesirable!

Re a tribunal value we simply don't know, but it is designed to compensate a club for its academy-produced players. If a player is worth £25m today with just 18 months left on his contract then the time value attributable to his contract is pretty low, leaving a far higher intrinsic value.  £15m is not unreasonable, £10m seems likely to be a minimum.




Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 02, 2016, 01:25:02 AM
Yes, loss of form is obviously a risk, as would be loss of form of an expensive replacement player.  Unlikely, but clearly possible.

Not sure what you mean by "again" as I've acknowledged it previously, but yes, a move abroad would mean no tribunal fee which is another reason to remove this risk by offering him a new contract with a buyout clause.

At a £24m sale you could argue you get two chances to get it right as opposed to a figure far less than that.

Why even offer him a deal, he's not going to sign one. Financial gain is rendered void when you consider he can more than make that up in 18 months time if he runs it down and walks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on February 02, 2016, 05:26:59 AM
Wow, some people really don't like being proven wrong do they?

Well done Saido for sticking two fingers up at the people who can't wait to pick faults, and the hypocrites who undoubtedly acted like ****heads in their early 20's just like Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on February 02, 2016, 07:02:32 AM
He's staying with us now, so let him play and he will bring us goals.Simple.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 02, 2016, 07:43:45 AM
He's staying with us now, so let him play and he will bring us goals.Simple.

Spot on, and more to the point when he is playing lets support him.

We were all young and foolish once - he has recognised his 'mistake' in his tweet. Regardless of your views he is still a talented lad and he demonstrated that on Saturday.

I think Overseas baggie has summed it up well - cannot disagree with any of that.
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 02, 2016, 07:45:20 AM
At a £24m sale you could argue you get two chances to get it right as opposed to a figure far less than that.

Why even offer him a deal, he's not going to sign one. Financial gain is rendered void when you consider he can more than make that up in 18 months time if he runs it down and walks.

Why wouldn't he sign it?  He'd be getting £2m upfront plus a £60k/week rise for at least the next 18 months compared with if he just lets his contract run down.

How would he "more than make that up in 18 months time if he runs it down and walks" when the buying club is very likely to have to pay £10m to £15m to us in compensation?  He would NOT be going for free unless he moved abroad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 02, 2016, 08:05:58 AM
But if he had tweeted nothing, there would have been nothing to make something about.
Totally agree with you, but I doubt any of us could resist having a dig after taking a load of flak last year, it's human nature.

His best reaction would be quit the sulking and do what he does best, proving we were right to keep him.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 02, 2016, 08:22:38 AM
I still think he'll go, left training early after 'a knock' hmmm convenient  ::) & I think there'll be at least another one (possible two) coming in, Pulis not at training ground & not doing pre match interview  ::) .....do love a conspiracy theory me!   

Could've swore I saw Saido on the grassy knoll  :D

If nothing else this proves one thing, I am definitely not ITK  :'(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bakeyaface on February 02, 2016, 08:43:30 AM
What's the general view on his tweet?

Do we think hes been told to knuckle down, scores goals, improve attitude, and try and get into Hodgson's mind before he picks his Euro 2016 squad - and he has accepted it? (also knowing he go go in summer)

Or did he just want the last word again but without rocking the boat too much?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 02, 2016, 08:43:42 AM
Glad he is still here, I would take him in are starting line-up even with his juvenile antics over any of our strikers when we play 2 up front.

Fair play to him for his tweet he has been goaded all day. I also read it as he recognized that he had been a silly little boy in the last transfer window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on February 02, 2016, 08:51:27 AM
Wow, some people really don't like being proven wrong do they?

Well done Saido for sticking two fingers up at the people who can't wait to pick faults, and the hypocrites who undoubtedly acted like ****heads in their early 20's just like Saido.

I'm 24. I've never drunk drove, inhaled laughing gas. Never refused to work.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on February 02, 2016, 08:57:51 AM
Hey I wonder the wording of the tweet, it's not aimed at this forum is it!!🤔
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 02, 2016, 08:58:33 AM
What's the general view on his tweet?

Obviously no idea whether he was just having a laff or sticking his tongue out at those who were relishing the prospect of a Tw@tter melt down. I would imagine it was a bit of both.

What I do know is that when I heard the tweet read out on the news last night I thought it was funny and laughed out loud.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WD40 on February 02, 2016, 09:02:32 AM
Bet he signs a new contract by the end of the week
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on February 02, 2016, 09:04:25 AM
The tweet could and should have been less cryptic but if it is a little dig at himself then fair play.
Am I the only one that thinks that, from a football point of view, this could be the best signing of the window?
If he knuckles down, gets fit and starts enjoying his football again, he, and we, could have a very good end to the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on February 02, 2016, 09:05:28 AM
Obviously no idea whether he was just having a laff or sticking his tongue out at those who were relishing the prospect of a Tw@tter melt down. I would imagine it was a bit of both.

What I do know is that when I heard the tweet read out on the news last night I thought it was funny and laughed out loud.
I had the same reaction, maybe because sky had built it up so you're expecting fireworks or maybe just because I felt Bera was actually having a laff at himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 02, 2016, 09:07:34 AM
The tweet could and should have been less cryptic but if it is a little dig at himself then fair play.
Am I the only one that thinks that, from a football point of view, this could be the best signing of the window?
If he knuckles down, gets fit and starts enjoying his football again, he, and we, could have a very good end to the season.


No you're not.

Over to Tony and Saido.

COYB and SOTV.
 8).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 02, 2016, 09:24:23 AM
Darren Lewis (mirror) spouting off i read
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on February 02, 2016, 09:30:57 AM
I agree with this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3427694/Saido-Berahino-not-allowed-leave-West-Brom-despite-told-s-unmanageable-s-time-let-manager-go.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 02, 2016, 09:41:21 AM
I agree with this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3427694/Saido-Berahino-not-allowed-leave-West-Brom-despite-told-s-unmanageable-s-time-let-manager-go.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

I think it's mostly whimpering, whinging, whining drivel to be honest.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 02, 2016, 09:44:05 AM
An uninformed outsiders view......... he knows as much as we do about the matter, possibly less. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 02, 2016, 09:45:28 AM
I think it's mostly whimpering, whinging, whining drivel to be honest.
Agree typical Adrian Durham nonsense.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on February 02, 2016, 09:46:38 AM
The tweet could and should have been less cryptic but if it is a little dig at himself then fair play.
Am I the only one that thinks that, from a football point of view, this could be the best signing of the window?
If he knuckles down, gets fit and starts enjoying his football again, he, and we, could have a very good end to the season.

I totally agree. The side needs him as the alternatives are dreadful. Who else would have scored the 2 goals that he did at the weekend?

He's no doubt been told that he can go in the summer and now needs to knuckle down and score some goals. He may still have an outside chance of making the Euros. TP keeps harping  about his fitness but if he doesn't play how can he get match fit?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 02, 2016, 09:50:33 AM
Agree typical Adrian Durham nonsense.

Durham has a thing about TP and his alleged style of football, so any chance to have a swipe.......

He also supports Peterborough so even more of a reason to try and cause problems.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sammyg on February 02, 2016, 09:54:26 AM
Lets just get behind Saido now, he will probably go in the summer, and he seems to of learnt from last transfer window. Lets support him and hope he scores some goals to keep us up!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 02, 2016, 09:57:08 AM
Durham has a thing about TP and his alleged style of football, so any chance to have a swipe.......

He also supports Peterborough so even more of a reason to try and cause problems.

Eventhough it can often lack insight his radio programme can be funny at times.

With regard to his thoughts on this issue, I believe he'd be better served focussing his ire on his chairmans FA Cup pricing policy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on February 02, 2016, 09:59:50 AM
Reading his latest tweet, I think he might finally be getting (or at least listening) to some good advice.

If he had said nothing, people would have assumed he was sulking, but he addressed the situation sensibly.

He seems to want Spurs, but Spurs have been put off by his reputation it would appear. If he fancied Newcastle or Stoke, I think he would have gone for 24m, but I don't think he does.

So there has been a few things in the media recently to try and fix his image which a clever advisor could manipulate, such as pointing out he spends time doing extra training with the kids and bits about charitable work he has done abroad and with the homeless.

Even allowing his extra training with his striking coach to be on Soccer Am last week presents a person who cares about his career.

He needs to get fit and on the pitch now, whilst avoiding controversy. Waste another six months and a Newcastle / Stoke will be his only option. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on February 02, 2016, 10:05:54 AM
I think some of what he is saying is true to be fair.

However one of the key things, its okay saying we should of accepted £24m from Tottenham, if it had been as straight forward as that we would of accepted it i imagine? What he doesnt mention is that Spurs offered in installments, a very incentive driven offer with a very low initial amount.
 
We could say we want to buy Messi for £500m, wow - amazing! However we will give them £10m upfront, £10m when he scores ten goals, £10m when he takes five throw ins, etc, etc. Its not as black and white saying we turned down £24m from Tottenham.

We may of turned down bids for Newcastle (who are relegation rivals, why strengthen a rival) and Stoke, Stoke are a better team than us Saido said he wants to play champions league football and with all due respect to Stoke, they wont achieve that! Okay we maybe should of given him the chance to turn them down but i it would of been more of a sideways move than an upwards one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2016, 10:12:03 AM
As the window is now shut until the Summer we no longer need two topics discussing the same subject so this will be closed until any new trasnfer rumours begin to surface.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on February 02, 2016, 10:14:58 AM
No club came near JPs valuation this drivel from journo's is typical, blokes an idiot
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2016, 10:19:54 AM
Durham has a thing about TP and his alleged style of football, so any chance to have a swipe.......

He also supports Peterborough so even more of a reason to try and cause problems.

Durham seems to have a problem with West Bromwich Albion Football Club full stop and this is just the latest excuse he has to have a pop, its been going on for a while, anything and everything he can have a go about he does.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on February 02, 2016, 10:22:09 AM
No club came near JPs valuation this drivel from journo's is typical, blokes an idiot

How realistic is JP's valuation? Has he inflated this to price him out of a move? It's obviously that JP wanted to keep him and rightly so as he's our best striker.

Let's hope we see a lot more of him between now and the end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on February 02, 2016, 10:25:37 AM
How realistic is JP's valuation? Has he inflated this to price him out of a move? It's obviously that JP wanted to keep him and rightly so as he's our best striker.

Let's hope we see a lot more of him between now and the end of the season.
bangs in the goals from here till summer he's worth over 100 million to club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 02, 2016, 10:34:13 AM
How realistic is JP's valuation? Has he inflated this to price him out of a move? It's obviously that JP wanted to keep him and rightly so as he's our best striker.

Let's hope we see a lot more of him between now and the end of the season.

But did he want to keep him just so Tony Putin couldn't get his hands on the money?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 02, 2016, 10:37:15 AM
But did he want to keep him just so Tony Putin can't get his hands on the money?
This is the kind of nonsense I'm talking about.  Peace can just veto any transfer he likes.  It's not like the money goes into a suitcase and straight into the boot of Pulis' car.  Another example of people throwing around rumours like they're facts.  This kind of stuff is going to harm the club more than the standard of football Pulis is playing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on February 02, 2016, 10:45:06 AM
I think that article is 100% spot on, couldn't agree more. Especially the bit about the manager looking foolish for not picking him when the team is struggling for goals.

I'm convinced all is not well at the club, I believe the Berahino saga will have caused big damage to the relationship between Pulis and Peace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on February 02, 2016, 10:55:35 AM
Time for everyone to pull together now for the good of the club...as long as he scores goals and keeps us safe this season I couldn't care less what he thinks of anyone at WBA...move at the end of the season..job done...and maybe he will leave with a Cup Winners medal..!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2016, 10:59:49 AM
I think theres problems at the club, not all exactly new ones either.

Saido has to now get his head down and justify his position in the side when he gets chance, at times he's done himself no favours, when he has come onto the pitch he's looked totally uninterested, if he goes into training with that attitude its understandable why he doesn't play. Pulis played him enough last year so shows that something has changed. Don't excuse Pulis from any blame but it takes two to tango.

From this point until the end of the season whatever has gone on there needs to be a line drawn, put it all behind them and start from scratch but the player has to do his part just as much as anyone else. Eyes will be on him between now and the end of the season and clubs will be watching to see if they want to make another go in the Summer.

I can perfectly understand Peace refusing to sell to the clubs who made bids over the last couple of days, no bigger, no better than us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 02, 2016, 10:59:54 AM
I'm struggling with this one, someone help me.

This is now the second transfer window whereby Berahino will feel hard done by.

Berahino hasn't really featured since this season due to the major hissy fit at the end of August.

Why, after another window where he hasn't got his 'dream move', will he now decide to pull his socks up and score us some goals?

We know he's not the brightest and his behaviour will always let him down and it will only be a matter of time before he spits that dummy out again.

I would like him to come in score the goals, win us the cup or whatever but his personality tells me he will do the opposite.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on February 02, 2016, 11:09:48 AM
Please just start him Tony, he is our best striker.

Stop cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on February 02, 2016, 11:28:52 AM
I'm struggling with this one, someone help me.

This is now the second transfer window whereby Berahino will feel hard done by.

Berahino hasn't really featured since this season due to the major hissy fit at the end of August.

Why, after another window where he hasn't got his 'dream move', will he now decide to pull his socks up and score us some goals?

We know he's not the brightest and his behaviour will always let him down and it will only be a matter of time before he spits that dummy out again.

I would like him to come in score the goals, win us the cup or whatever but his personality tells me he will do the opposite.
I may be wrong but he'd have played every game if selected, his lack of fitness is down to not being played. That's partly down to himself with his indiscipline regarding time keeping and the like. If picked I'm sure he'll score enough goals to get Spurs interested again. Everyone wins then.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 02, 2016, 11:35:53 AM
I may be wrong but he'd have played every game if selected, his lack of fitness is down to not being played. That's partly down to himself with his indiscipline regarding time keeping and the like. If picked I'm sure he'll score enough goals to get Spurs interested again. Everyone wins then.

Apart from Spurs who have a scrote bag on their hands but that wouldn't be our problem  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on February 02, 2016, 11:36:36 AM
He is a goalscorer, we need one of them at the moment. The Euros are coming up and that could be motivation for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 02, 2016, 11:38:20 AM
Many are assuming that he would be happy with a move to Newcastle/Stoke and I suspect that is not the case especially if he thinks he is good enough to play at the international level, and spurs or Liverpool are probably his best route to do that. There is no denying that a move to spurs would of been a good career move.

If he had scored ten goals and carried on his form from last season then any of the top 6 could have come in for him instead of only relegation rivals making a bid, and their is no way they they would have paid enough to let him go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on February 02, 2016, 11:49:57 AM
I may be wrong but he'd have played every game if selected, his lack of fitness is down to not being played. That's partly down to himself with his indiscipline regarding time keeping and the like. If picked I'm sure he'll score enough goals to get Spurs interested again. Everyone wins then.
If he trained and did the job he was paid to do he wouldn't be a fat git now, i still cant stand him and can't wait till he does one!! I haven't celebrated non of his goals this season and still won't be celebrating any he scores now!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 02, 2016, 11:51:54 AM
He is a goalscorer, we need one of them at the moment. The Euros are coming up and that could be motivation for him.

But would Hodgson want to upset the apple cart at such an important time? Who needs Billy Big Balls strutting around like he owns the place while we are trying to work out how to beat the Welsh.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 02, 2016, 12:58:25 PM
He is a goalscorer, we need one of them at the moment. The Euros are coming up and that could be motivation for him.

The Euros should have been the only motivation he needed for the entire season, if he was bothered about them he would have sorted himself out instead of wasting nearly half a season. It will take a monumental effort to force himself into the England side now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 02, 2016, 01:10:31 PM
The sheer ignorance of several of the country's "leading" soccer journalists and pundits is astonishing.  They have absolutely no idea of why Berahino has not been starting games, and they have no idea why we simply haven't sold him to Spurs.

Did Spurs ever even come close to submitting a reasonable offer ?  I don't recall seeing one in this window.  We can hardly sell him to Spurs if Spurs didn't make an offer!

Did he want to go to Stoke?  It would suggest not.

Did he want to go to Newcastle?  Maybe, but only as a last resort of Spurs did not make a late bid for him, which they didn't.  Ok, so we weren't keen to sell to Newcastle but in any event by that stage it was all far too late anyway for us to get a replacement.

All this nonsense in the media about how we are harming his career and should just let him go is ridiculous. He's under contract, is our player, and has a value to the club.  It is not the player's call. He willingly signed a 4 year contract 2.5 years ago.

Does anyone seriously think that we would not be selecting a top quality goalscorer just on pure footballing grounds?  Do they seriously think that we are doing it just to spite him?  Do they think we should just overlook his lateness and poor attitude just because he wants to be playing elsewhere?  They are completely deluded.

Maybe this just hate Tony Pulis and see this as a way to drive him out.  Maybe they just hate little old West Brom who have no right to have a star player like Berahino (in their eyes).

They are welcome to make their views known, but it would have far more credibility if they even bothered to check the facts first.  Lazy journalism.




Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on February 02, 2016, 02:37:15 PM
The sheer ignorance of several of the country's "leading" soccer journalists and pundits is astonishing.  They have absolutely no idea of why Berahino has not been starting games, and they have no idea why we simply haven't sold him to Spurs.

Did Spurs ever even come close to submitting a reasonable offer ?  I don't recall seeing one in this window.  We can hardly sell him to Spurs if Spurs didn't make an offer!

Did he want to go to Stoke?  It would suggest not.

Did he want to go to Newcastle?  Maybe, but only as a last resort of Spurs did not make a late bid for him, which they didn't.  Ok, so we weren't keen to sell to Newcastle but in any event by that stage it was all far too late anyway for us to get a replacement.

All this nonsense in the media about how we are harming his career and should just let him go is ridiculous. He's under contract, is our player, and has a value to the club.  It is not the player's call. He willingly signed a 4 year contract 2.5 years ago.

Does anyone seriously think that we would not be selecting a top quality goalscorer just on pure footballing grounds?  Do they seriously think that we are doing it just to spite him?  Do they think we should just overlook his lateness and poor attitude just because he wants to be playing elsewhere?  They are completely deluded.

Maybe this just hate Tony Pulis and see this as a way to drive him out.  Maybe they just hate little old West Brom who have no right to have a star player like Berahino (in their eyes).

They are welcome to make their views known, but it would have far more credibility if they even bothered to check the facts first.  Lazy journalism.
are you serious to lay in to the national media who are in no way biased towards the SO CALLED BIG CLUBS. ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 02, 2016, 03:06:37 PM
adrian durham on air at 4 today oouch :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2016, 03:07:44 PM
adrain durham on air at 4 today oouch :)

I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than listen to another anti-West Brom rant from him and his cronies designed to get people talking and calling in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on February 02, 2016, 04:49:00 PM
If he trained and did the job he was paid to do he wouldn't be a fat git now, i still cant stand him and can't wait till he does one!! I haven't celebrated non of his goals this season and still won't be celebrating any he scores now!!

Even so he's still our best striker. Doesn't say much for the others does it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 02, 2016, 05:01:39 PM
if you want your blood to boil Durham is about to discuss us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stoxman on February 02, 2016, 06:14:27 PM
There's a lot to dislike about Saido's attitude (or what we believe we know about his attitude).  However,  his current wages do somewhat fly against the basic principle of paying a person based on what they bring to the business they work for.  At the end of last season he probably had a good case to argue "Why are you paying Vic more than me when I scored 10x more goals? Why are you paying Fletcher, Brunt et al SO much can more when I am probably as least as good and as least as important?"

Who knows what deals were or weren't offered but had he been offered £50k per week and a release clause of a big club comes in with a massive cheque,  we might have seen a different Saido.  None of us likes to feel that we are carrying work mates who are earning more than us,  regardless of the actual sums earned.

A
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 02, 2016, 06:29:07 PM
There's a lot to dislike about Saido's attitude (or what we believe we know about his attitude).  However,  his current wages do somewhat fly against the basic principle of paying a person based on what they bring to the business they work for.  At the end of last season he probably had a good case to argue "Why are you paying Vic more than me when I scored 10x more goals? Why are you paying Fletcher, Brunt et al SO much can more when I am probably as least as good and as least as important?"

Who knows what deals were or weren't offered but had he been offered £50k per week and a release clause of a big club comes in with a massive cheque,  we might have seen a different Saido.  None of us likes to feel that we are carrying work mates who are earning more than us,  regardless of the actual sums earned.

A

We were in talks with him. Then he lied about drink driving then the summer happened. He's made his own bed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on February 03, 2016, 03:36:28 AM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10153945/saido-berahino-has-long-term-future-at-west-brom-says-tony-pulis? (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10153945/saido-berahino-has-long-term-future-at-west-brom-says-tony-pulis?)

a quote from TP

"They can do nothing about it. He has got 18 months to two years left on his contract, we've got an option on that as well."

that is the first I have heard of an option on extending past the 18 months left....  may explain a couple of things
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on February 03, 2016, 07:04:45 AM
i would have started Saido last night hes here till end of the season so use him .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on February 03, 2016, 07:08:27 AM
Ive got a funny feeling the lad will sign a new contract in the next couple of weeks.

More than likely have a buy out clause included in it, something along the lines of 30million, 20million if one of the 'big boys' come calling.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 03, 2016, 07:36:55 AM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10153945/saido-berahino-has-long-term-future-at-west-brom-says-tony-pulis? (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10153945/saido-berahino-has-long-term-future-at-west-brom-says-tony-pulis?)

a quote from TP

"They can do nothing about it. He has got 18 months to two years left on his contract, we've got an option on that as well."

that is the first I have heard of an option on extending past the 18 months left....  may explain a couple of things

Same here - I wasn't aware of an extension option in the club's favour.  That's really important. Can anyone confirm that it's definitely correct?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 03, 2016, 07:49:47 AM
Ive got a funny feeling the lad will sign a new contract in the next couple of weeks.

More than likely have a buy out clause included in it, something along the lines of 30million, 20million if one of the 'big boys' come calling.

I hope he does TBH.... when he plays he is in a different class to the rest of the team. He had a couple of touches last night that were excellent...... despite all of the antics and pantomime, if he is paid the going rate and his contract reflects that then I am quite sure we will see how good he really is.

I have said less than favourable things about him in the past, but its time to move on and if he makes the commitment then we should get behind him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on February 03, 2016, 08:37:51 AM
Berahino will be nowhere near the England squad. Rooney, Vardy and Kane are already cemented in. The other striker will be whoever is the fittest out of Walcott, Sturridge and Welbeck.

For all of Peace's bravado about Berahino being the only player good enough to keep West Brom up it was fitting for somebody else to get the equaliser!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2016, 10:01:21 PM
Same here - I wasn't aware of an extension option in the club's favour.  That's really important. Can anyone confirm that it's definitely correct?

If true, it shows why JP has played hardball, it also shows how little the Nationals know.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 03, 2016, 10:06:28 PM
If true, it shows why JP has played hardball, it also shows how little the Nationals know.
in all fairness how many albion fans knew, if its true that is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2016, 10:12:33 PM
in all fairness how many albion fans knew, if its true that is.

Yes, but lots have opinions on it, like a lot of things they don't know much about, but heh, they are entitled.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 03, 2016, 10:41:44 PM
no mention of any extra year in club or players favour in this report from the time he signed his new contract.

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/saido-signs-new-contract-1204017.aspx

Pat Murphy was asked about this on deadline day and said there was no extra year in either club or players favour, but then he wouldn't necessarily know either!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on February 03, 2016, 11:09:22 PM
Ben Foster has advised Berahino to close his Twitter account. That would be an excellent start if Berahino wants to build bridges with the club and the fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 03, 2016, 11:32:55 PM
Just read on Facebook, the he has two and a half years left with all the add on bits.

Edit....Perhaps some one else can find out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 04, 2016, 07:16:20 AM
Will be interesting to confirm his contract status. I can't help but think Pulis may have been mixed up with someone else though as I see no reason for the club not to have made a further years option public when he signed the contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 04, 2016, 08:54:26 AM
Ben Foster has advised Berahino to close his Twitter account. That would be an excellent start if Berahino wants to build bridges with the club and the fans.

Strange that to build bridges with the fans the best approach is to drop off twitter which is a platform that gives direct access to the fans, but Foster is right. Players should just leave social media alone it seldom ends well.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 04, 2016, 08:55:47 AM
Strange that to build bridges with the fans the best approach is to drop off twitter which is a platform that gives direct access to the fans, but Foster is right. Players should just leave social media alone it seldom ends well.   
Yeah, it's lose-lose for them really.  It's either really bland "Well done lads for a hard fought win", or if it's anything else they'll no doubt end up annoying someone.

Twitter is for people who can't shut up even when they're alone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 04, 2016, 09:04:58 AM
Yeah, it's lose-lose for them really.  It's either really bland "Well done lads for a hard fought win", or if it's anything else they'll no doubt end up annoying someone.

Twitter is for people who can't shut up even when they're alone.

Brilliant.Sums it up in a nutshell for me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 04, 2016, 09:37:43 AM
Is that the same Ben Foster, who shows his collection of trainers & other expensive items on Twitter, that most of us couldn't dream of affording?

Bit of teapot calling kettle black here methinks.

I follow most of the players on twitter, & Ben is far more prolific than Saido, in fact the tweet he sent out on Monday night is the first one for months.

I understand that Saido received a lot of abuse on Monday, & for that reason, he would be well advised to close his account.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 04, 2016, 09:48:56 AM
Strange that to build bridges with the fans the best approach is to drop off twitter which is a platform that gives direct access to the fans, but Foster is right. Players should just leave social media alone it seldom ends well.   

i suspect its "so you don't have to see all the rubbish" rather than "so you don't tweet rubbish" or maybe both i suppose.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on February 04, 2016, 10:07:07 AM
Is that the same Ben Foster, who shows his collection of trainers & other expensive items on Twitter, that most of us couldn't dream of affording?

Bit of teapot calling kettle black here methinks.

I follow most of the players on twitter, & Ben is far more prolific than Saido, in fact the tweet he sent out on Monday night is the first one for months.

I understand that Saido received a lot of abuse on Monday, & for that reason, he would be well advised to close his account.
I may be speaking out of turn but to suggest most people can't afford trainers is a bit wide of the mark. From what I can see If Saido reserved his use of Twitter or Instagram for equally inane stuff as Foster there wouldn't be an issue. Outside the two posts on deadline days beras use is no different.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 04, 2016, 10:28:06 AM
I may be speaking out of turn but to suggest most people can't afford trainers is a bit wide of the mark. From what I can see If Saido reserved his use of Twitter or Instagram for equally inane stuff as Foster there wouldn't be an issue. Outside the two posts on deadline days beras use is no different.

I don't think he does it deliberately, but some of Ben's tweets can be a bit insensitive (his trainer collection is huge & would probably be outside the spending capacity of most of us).

Having read the sky report, I think Ben was suggesting that Saido closes his account to prevent the abuse he was getting, others have jumped on the bandwagon to spin it against Saido.

No wonder the players are tired, I'm not sure I would want to live in the limelight like these guys do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 04, 2016, 10:31:20 AM
I never really thought about this but what if,

JP has thought
new TV deal coming in = more cash sloshing about
= players values inflate
= saido could go from value of £20-25M today to £30-35M in summer.

I still want to sell the club, this puts another £10m on the clubs value, so I'm more likely to get my £150M, You know what Tone, tell the world Saido is stopping.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stoxman on February 05, 2016, 01:50:52 PM
I never really thought about this but what if,

JP has thought
new TV deal coming in = more cash sloshing about
= players values inflate
= saido could go from value of £20-25M today to £30-35M in summer.

I still want to sell the club, this puts another £10m on the clubs value, so I'm more likely to get my £150M, You know what Tone, tell the world Saido is stopping.

I suspect that this is exactly what is happening. Player values are likely to be generally higher this summer and Saido's value is to a substantial effect underwritten by the Tribunal (although I still chat to people who say he can walk to another PL club in 2017 for nothing...)  I really do believe that JP sees this as a "heads I win, tails I don't lose" sort of deal.  With Saido only earning £15k per week, it isn't even a problem if he doesn't play. Very different from a £150k per week player who you put on the bench and who will cost you £7m p.a. before you sell him.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 05, 2016, 01:59:24 PM
I suspect that this is exactly what is happening. Player values are likely to be generally higher this summer and Saido's value is to a substantial effect underwritten by the Tribunal (although I still chat to people who say he can walk to another PL club in 2017 for nothing...)  I really do believe that JP sees this as a "heads I win, tails I don't lose" sort of deal.  With Saido only earning £15k per week, it isn't even a problem if he doesn't play. Very different from a £150k per week player who you put on the bench and who will cost you £7m p.a. before you sell him.


I wouldn't discount the theory, but I would suggest it's a more fundamental reasoning, that if Saido's still here, he could score goals for us, & wouldn't score goals for a competitor. Sliding into the Championship would devalue the club far more than the value of a player. enhanced or not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stoxman on February 05, 2016, 02:15:59 PM

I wouldn't discount the theory, but I would suggest it's a more fundamental reasoning, that if Saido's still here, he could score goals for us, & wouldn't score goals for a competitor. Sliding into the Championship would devalue the club far more than the value of a player. enhanced or not.

I would agree that there is probably a large element of that too. I never really saw us selling to Newcastle; it would have been bonkers to take £20m, have them overtake us and us get relegated. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 05, 2016, 03:05:05 PM
Yes, likely both factors apply as JP is both a number cruncher and a Baggies fan.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 07, 2016, 01:47:35 PM
Folks, PLEASE try and keep this topic speculation related only otherwise it will be loakced again, we already have a topic to discuss the rest of the stuff around Saido

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-give-tottenham-first-7324141

Tottenham will have first refusal on signing West Brom’s Saido Berahino this summer, writes Neil Moxley in the Sunday People.

The North London club have jumped to the front of the queue following discussions between White Hart Lane bigwig Daniel Levy and Baggies’ owner Jeremy Peace.

The pair are understood to have thrashed out a gentlemen’s agreement over Berahino after Peace put the block on any move for the 22-year-old during last month’s transfer window.

Peace made his position clear four weeks ago – maintaining that Berahino, who has six goals to his credit following a disruptive season, would not be sold.

And he was as good as his word, rejecting a £24m offer in cash from Newcastle.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 07, 2016, 02:03:18 PM
Folks, PLEASE try and keep this topic speculation related only otherwise it will be loakced again, we already have a topic to discuss the rest of the stuff around Saido

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-give-tottenham-first-7324141

Tottenham will have first refusal on signing West Brom’s Saido Berahino this summer, writes Neil Moxley in the Sunday People.

The North London club have jumped to the front of the queue following discussions between White Hart Lane bigwig Daniel Levy and Baggies’ owner Jeremy Peace.

The pair are understood to have thrashed out a gentlemen’s agreement over Berahino after Peace put the block on any move for the 22-year-old during last month’s transfer window.

Peace made his position clear four weeks ago – maintaining that Berahino, who has six goals to his credit following a disruptive season, would not be sold.

And he was as good as his word, rejecting a £24m offer in cash from Newcastle.


Tottenham doing their negotiations in the media already and it's only February.   :-[
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 07, 2016, 10:44:47 PM
Tottenham doing their negotiations in the media already and it's only February.   :-[

This isn't as straightforward as it seems.  Tottenham need to match the terms offered by another club.  Tottenham have no cash because of their new stadium costs, while Newcastle pay cash upfront.  What happens if Newcastle offer (say) £22m cash upfront, Tottenham will only pay say £20m but Saido insists on going to Spurs?   Cue another problem.

Seems to me that we should tell Tottenham in June what we want and insist that they agree within 14 days so that a deal can be struck and we can move on.

Obviously their cash position is improved if they qualify for Champions League.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 07, 2016, 11:02:37 PM
This isn't as straightforward as it seems.  Tottenham need to match the terms offered by another club.  Tottenham have no cash because of their new stadium costs, while Newcastle pay cash upfront.  What happens if Newcastle offer (say) £22m cash upfront, Tottenham will only pay say £20m but Saido insists on going to Spurs?   Cue another problem.

Seems to me that we should tell Tottenham in June what we want and insist that they agree within 14 days so that a deal can be struck and we can move on.

Obviously their cash position is improved if they qualify for Champions League.
Or we play him and keep him.
He is still there, I live in hope.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 08, 2016, 09:33:23 AM
Or we play him and keep him.
He is still there, I live in hope.

Play him certainly but he has made it quite clear that he doesn't want to stay here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 08, 2016, 11:11:49 AM
Play him certainly but he has made it quite clear that he doesn't want to stay here.

He's a professional football player, the fact he's doesn't want to be here shouldn't have an effect on the effort he puts in for the club playing hos wages.
Does John Stones want to be at Everton?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 11:13:14 AM
He's a professional football player, the fact he's doesn't want to be here shouldn't have an effect on the effort he puts in for the club playing hos wages.
Does John Stones want to be at Everton?

Not keen on the Stones comparison, only difference is one is getting picked. Stones has had a very poor season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on February 08, 2016, 11:18:37 AM
Whether he wants to be here or not or is overweight, unfit etc the fact remains that he is our best striker and only on who looks likely to score for us. Therefore he has to start games from now on. I don't buy into this 'he's not quite fit' nonsense. Lambert, Anichebe and Rondon all look like laboured each time they play. Surely Saido can be no worse.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2016, 11:19:37 AM
The other point with Saido is he won't play him up front on his own. An obvious problem in our set up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on February 08, 2016, 11:29:58 AM
The fact Saido is a few pounds over his fighting weight does say a bit about his mood and attitude though. I don't buy the 'well he's sat on the bench so he wont be fully fit stuff'. We have specialist fitness staff who if they are any good would make sure that Saido was in condition i.e. not overweight....but it needs Saido to buy into it. Pulis knows where Saido is mentally and physically and isn't accepting it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on February 08, 2016, 11:00:58 PM
The other point with Saido is he won't play him up front on his own. An obvious problem in our set up.

It's our set-up which is the problem, again TP's lack of variation, saido did well in a fair few games up top on his own last season, the 3-0 v Chelsea springs to mind
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 09, 2016, 10:27:22 AM
It's our set-up which is the problem, again TP's lack of variation, saido did well in a fair few games up top on his own last season, the 3-0 v Chelsea springs to mind

Lack of variation isn't helped by having too many players that all do the same things and nothing more. Only someone like Sessegnon at present that can do anything different to the others in the midfield and as teams have discovered you keep him quiet then its relatively easy to stop us getting anything out of a game.

Saido is the closest to a natural finisher we have had since Kevin Phillips and he needs to get him back on the pitch somehow. Pulis said the other day he's been hitting the weights in the gym so maybe we will see more of him up front on his own in future but he needs to get his head right and forget about going anywhere until the season ends.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 09, 2016, 07:08:59 PM
Lack of variation isn't helped by having too many players that all do the same things and nothing more. Only someone like Sessegnon at present that can do anything different to the others in the midfield and as teams have discovered you keep him quiet then its relatively easy to stop us getting anything out of a game.

Saido is the closest to a natural finisher we have had since Kevin Phillips and he needs to get him back on the pitch somehow. Pulis said the other day he's been hitting the weights in the gym so maybe we will see more of him up front on his own in future but he needs to get his head right and forget about going anywhere until the season ends.
He has been on the weights and this makes him look heavier , I'd put money on him vs macmanaman any day of the week..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 09, 2016, 09:02:32 PM
He has been on the weights and this makes him look heavier , I'd put money on him vs macmanaman any day of the week..

 ;D Dont put money on him against Mozza  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on February 11, 2016, 12:04:22 AM
From his twitter:

Saido Berahino ‏@SBerahino  23m23 minutes ago
Big man @BenFoster rescued me😓, onto the next round, thank you God #boingboing

Nothing amazing but signs of a better attitude and more involvement which is promising.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 11, 2016, 12:28:34 AM
That miss at the end of ET was appalling he needs to work on headers
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 11, 2016, 02:44:40 AM
Terrible header of the ball. Thought he worked hard tonight but was far too greedy on occasion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pie on February 11, 2016, 09:32:23 AM
Terrible header of the ball. Thought he worked hard tonight but was far too greedy on occasion.

He had a fair few shots that went high or wide but it shows that he is prepared to give it a go, sometimes you have to have a 'greedy' player who will have a crack - especially if he is the best finisher at the club.

Think his wayward shots showed his lack of game time last night. Hopefully he finds his range and starts banging them in for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on February 11, 2016, 09:39:10 AM
Had a good volley from a Rondon knock-down in the first half. Unlucky it just went wide. Only bad thing is whenever the ball is in the penalty area, he always looks to shoot, whereas sometimes he needs to lay it off
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: joeymayo on February 11, 2016, 10:38:26 AM
One thing I noticed with the last minute chance was the hungry players gambling on the knock across the box, then on the replay there was the stagnant statue of Ollson hands in the air celebrating prematurely. For gods sake follow the ball in and it would have been a tap in.
Thats not to excuse the abysmal miss by Berahino  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 11, 2016, 10:44:42 AM
I thought he was caught in two minds whether to go for goal or knock it across because he was at an angle.

Indecision led to him doing neither.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 10:55:02 AM
There's no doubt in my mind he went for goal, tried to stick it in the opposite corner and got it wrong.  This is Berahino we're talking about, when would he *not* go for goal? :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on February 12, 2016, 09:16:18 AM
West Bromwich Albion ‏@WBAFCofficial 

TP: "Saido's nowhere near as fit or sharp as we want him, it's going to take a bit of time but hopefully we can get him to good level.

When will he be fit enough in Pulis' mind?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on February 12, 2016, 09:20:51 AM
He was fit enough to play 120 minutes when we had Leko and Roberts on the bench (with 1 sub remaining). I think it's just an excuse not to start him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 12, 2016, 09:25:28 AM
When he's fit enough I imagine?  Wednesday night will have helped him, will he be fit enough to start on Saturday?  I hope so, because we can't rely on Rondon for the goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 12, 2016, 03:31:33 PM
Only way to get him fit and sharp is to give him game time and by that I mean more than 20 minutes here and there off the bench. With that said he has to shoulder some of the responsibility himself when it comes to carrying some extra timber as he can't be looking after himself well enough.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 12, 2016, 04:11:08 PM
Tactically he doesn't suit Pulis hence his desire to sell him and Saido is probably not in as good as shape as he might be in part because of lack game time which gives Pulis the excuse to marginalise him without really being challenged about his team selection.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 12, 2016, 04:18:07 PM
Didn't he play a decent amount under Pulis last year?

I don't get where this "he doesn't want to play him" comes from.  He's clearly our best striker and Pulis wants us to stay up - why wouldn't he play him if he's fit and his head's in the right place? 

I refuse to believe that if Berahino had knuckled down in the summer, come back fit and putting the effort in that Pulis would not have played him.  This is what people seem to think would have happened.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on February 12, 2016, 04:27:28 PM
Didn't he play a decent amount under Pulis last year?

I don't get where this "he doesn't want to play him" comes from.  He's clearly our best striker and Pulis wants us to stay up - why wouldn't he play him if he's fit and his head's in the right place? 

I refuse to believe that if Berahino had knuckled down in the summer, come back fit and putting the effort in that Pulis would not have played him.  This is what people seem to think would have happened.
I think it's because Pulis wants a Centre Forward who offers more than goals, hence his preference of Rondon, who whilst inferior in quality, runs the channels more and works aarder.
Berahino is a great finisher but doesn't works hard enough
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 12, 2016, 05:20:53 PM
Tactically he doesn't fit into the big bloke up top who will chase long hopeful balls out of defence and hustle and bustle. Berahino is not really a number 10 ideally he needs to play through the middle on the shoulder of the last defender and have balls played through to him. Pulis does not see him as the best striker at the club it is simple as that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 12, 2016, 06:29:38 PM
I don't think that's true.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on February 13, 2016, 02:52:53 AM
West Bromwich Albion ‏@WBAFCofficial 

TP: "Saido's nowhere near as fit or sharp as we want him, it's going to take a bit of time but hopefully we can get him to good level.

When will he be fit enough in Pulis' mind?

That comment is a sad indictment on Pulis and his staff. Why was Berahino allowed to become so unfit? He is a professional footballer trained by professional staff and should have been fit (if not match fit) before a ball was kicked at the start of the season.. I am more inclined to think that it is just a pathetic attempt by Pulis to camouflage his failings as a manager/coach. When will Pulis stop criticising Berahino in public; it must be totally demoralising for the player. I have never heard any other manager so scathing about a player's fitness.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 13, 2016, 06:35:15 AM
That comment is a sad indictment on Pulis and his staff. Why was Berahino allowed to become so unfit? He is a professional footballer trained by professional staff and should have been fit (if not match fit) before a ball was kicked at the start of the season.. I am more inclined to think that it is just a pathetic attempt by Pulis to camouflage his failings as a manager/coach. When will Pulis stop criticising Berahino in public; it must be totally demoralising for the player. I have never heard any other manager so scathing about a player's fitness.

Not sticking up for TP here but most of Berahino's short comings are his own making.
I think Berahino had it in his mind that he was going to call the shot's and if he played up and let himself go then the club would be happy to let him go.
I think Pulis was preying for him to go in the window so that he could use the funds to add the players he believe we needed.
If Berahino decides to feed his face and not train 100% I'm not sure what Pulis can do.
The training staff can only help Berahino if he wants to be helped.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 13, 2016, 07:19:07 AM
So are we saying here that the players don't step on the scales and have the weight recorded every day at training?
Stats seem to be the be all and end all around football these days and it's hard to imagine this particular one isn't checked.
Weight loss as well as gain can be an indicator of serious underlying medical conditions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 13, 2016, 09:12:56 AM
Berahino was dropped for two months for ripping the chairman after his dream move felt through then he came back overweight.On the other hand Poco who was dropped for a year had every reason to comeback with a gut is in good shape.The lad has to take responsibility for his life/future and act more responsible.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on February 13, 2016, 09:35:18 AM
So are we saying here that the players don't step on the scales and have the weight recorded every day at training?
Stats seem to be the be all and end all around football these days and it's hard to imagine this particular one isn't checked.
Weight loss as well as gain can be an indicator of serious underlying medical conditions.
Or simply not looking after yourself off the pitch /training.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 13, 2016, 11:16:57 AM
I don't take too much notice of what TP says in press conferences, he's got a Phd in subterfuge.

There is no doubt that Saido has got bulkier of the past few months, but I'm not sure it's fat, he's been on one to one's with a personal trainer, which would suggest that it's muscle he's built. I'm also not sure how Steve Clarke can say he's about 2 kilo's overweight, just by looking at him?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 13, 2016, 02:08:46 PM
I don't take too much notice of what TP says in press conferences, he's got a Phd in subterfuge.

There is no doubt that Saido has got bulkier of the past few months, but I'm not sure it's fat, he's been on one to one's with a personal trainer, which would suggest that it's muscle he's built. I'm also not sure how Steve Clarke can say he's about 2 kilo's overweight, just by looking at him?

I stopped taking notice of press conferences by managers when Mowbray kept telling us about the positives we can take from games we have juste been embarrassed in
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on February 13, 2016, 05:32:57 PM
Complex character but first class attitude today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 13, 2016, 05:37:03 PM
Much better today, looks to be getting it together.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on February 13, 2016, 05:44:56 PM
Did you two go today?! He did next to nothing today. Closed one ball down in the full 90 minutes and then sat back inviting pressure. He's not arsed at all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBrainy on February 13, 2016, 05:47:20 PM
You clearly don't understand football if you think Berahino had a poor game and did "next to nothing" , he put a real
Shift in and did a lot of the dirty work I believe he's key to the end of our season with him in the side we could have a fantastic finish

Don't like the kid but can't fault him today seems to have his head down again working hard for the "team" by himself
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on February 13, 2016, 05:48:53 PM
Did you two go today?! He did next to nothing today. Closed one ball down in the full 90 minutes and then sat back inviting pressure. He's not arsed at all.

Not from what I saw. Spent the whole game playing his part in a defensive display. Staying in position, closing down etc. Didn't do very much going forward but then again that was down to how we set up rather than him. And if Anichebe had put a better ball through to him near the end he could have bagged the second.

210 consecutive minutes. He's fit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on February 13, 2016, 05:57:33 PM
Did you two go today?! He did next to nothing today. Closed one ball down in the full 90 minutes and then sat back inviting pressure. He's not arsed at all.
You are aware he played behind the striker ? , fantastic shift and some great tackles on Barkley too. 110 % effort which surprised me , I've been disgusted by his attitude but i can't take away from him Today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: CL3MO on February 13, 2016, 06:25:01 PM
Did you two go today?! He did next to nothing today. Closed one ball down in the full 90 minutes and then sat back inviting pressure. He's not arsed at all.

Don't agree with that at all. He did nothing offensively, however that was his role today. He put a shift in for the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on February 13, 2016, 06:49:10 PM
He worked tirelessly in a deeper role today. Offensively he struggled to have an impact but it was his work rate and defensive work that made the difference.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on February 13, 2016, 07:36:11 PM
Some people are just blinkered! Whatever you think of him, if you watched the game today, he put in a real shift and was a real team player!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on February 13, 2016, 10:27:48 PM
Did you two go today?! He did next to nothing today. Closed one ball down in the full 90 minutes and then sat back inviting pressure. He's not arsed at all.
I didn't go but your the only person ive heard slate berahino for his effort today,wm radio and sky sports said he put lots of effort in but didn't get the opportunity to attack
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smudger 2007 on February 13, 2016, 10:35:29 PM
My feeling is he's not being played in his natural position. When he plays on the shoulder he's a lot better but it's hard to get him in that position in our formation. Pulls clearly prefers someone who holds the ball up in the lone striker role. My opinion is at home against some of the lesser sides we could afford to play him in that role. And his goals/better performances would come.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aztech on February 13, 2016, 10:38:05 PM
My feeling is he's not being played in his natural position. When he plays on the shoulder he's a lot better but it's hard to get him in that position in our formation. Pulls clearly prefers someone who holds the ball up in the lone striker role. My opinion is at home against some of the lesser sides we could afford to play him in that role. And his goals/better performances would come.

Unfortunately it isn't just Berahino who is not played in his natural position.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smudger 2007 on February 13, 2016, 10:49:56 PM
Unfortunately it isn't just Berahino who is not played in his natural position.
very true. Two proper full backs would be nice can't see it in the near future mind
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: howard62baby on February 13, 2016, 11:16:07 PM
We were 6/1 with some bookies, wonder if any one cashed out after we scored.what a coupon buster
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 14, 2016, 05:33:52 AM
He put a real shift in today just like everyone else did. The most pleasing part for me was seeing the smile on his face when celebrating our goal, perhaps he's just enjoying playing again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on February 14, 2016, 09:03:57 AM
I have thought a few times, when the team scores Saido looks delighted and joins in, yet when he scores, he doesnt really celebrate! Bizarre!

Put in a good shift yesterday, more minutes under his belt and hopefully between now and the end of the season we can keep him on the pitch, in attacking positions as he still far and away our best striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 14, 2016, 09:29:38 AM
To be honest I was delighted to see him start because unless he's playing he won't be getting fitter/sharper but in a 4-1-4-1 I'm not sure he offers much of a threat e.g. he had 33 touches and not a single one in Everton's area.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aztech on February 14, 2016, 09:36:02 AM
To be honest I was delighted to see him start because unless he's playing he won't be getting fitter/sharper but in a 4-1-4-1 I'm not sure he offers much of a threat e.g. he had 33 touches and not a single one in Everton's area.

Square pegs in round holes throughout the team!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stoxman on February 14, 2016, 09:37:54 AM
I didn't go but your the only person ive heard slate berahino for his effort today,wm radio and sky sports said he put lots of effort in but didn't get the opportunity to attack

Watched it online. I thought he worked very hard and yet wasn't puffing and panting when he came off.  Suggests to me that he can't be that unfit (especially after 120 mins on Weds).   Did a real job today and did it well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on February 14, 2016, 10:28:28 AM
Considering he hasn't had much game time, he did really well yesterday. He has to start every game when fit for me. I've never had an issue his on the pitch performances.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on February 14, 2016, 10:50:34 AM
Played well in last couple of matches,he seems to be match fit now,I think he'll go mad against Reading in the cup and get a couple,he seems to be happier on the pitch,I think he's getting badly advised.
What if he decided to sign another contract and decided to stay,what would that mean?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on February 14, 2016, 10:52:34 AM
Played well in last couple of matches,he seems to be match fit now,I think he'll go mad against Reading in the cup and get a couple,he seems to be happier on the pitch,I think he's getting badly advised.
What if he decided to sign another contract and decided to stay,what would that mean?
No point thinking about it, because he won't
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on February 14, 2016, 11:00:12 AM
"You never know in football" 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 14, 2016, 12:12:43 PM
I have thought a few times, when the team scores Saido looks delighted and joins in, yet when he scores, he doesnt really celebrate! Bizarre!

Put in a good shift yesterday, more minutes under his belt and hopefully between now and the end of the season we can keep him on the pitch, in attacking positions as he still far and away our best striker.
If he celebrated his goals he'd be shot down as being big headed?, might sound daft but if the guy helped a blind man across the road some would look for the bad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 14, 2016, 11:06:29 PM
Just been reading that he may get a ban for kicking out at an Everton player. To be honest, I saw the incident and thought he could be sent off.

He implied that the Everton player trod on his foot, but he clearly kicked out at him behind the referee.

Wouldn't be surprised if he got a three match ban, pity because he seemed to be gettin back to his old self.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 15, 2016, 10:50:30 AM
Was good to see him come over to clap the fans at the end too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 15, 2016, 11:05:32 AM
Just been reading that he may get a ban for kicking out at an Everton player. To be honest, I saw the incident and thought he could be sent off.

He implied that the Everton player trod on his foot, but he clearly kicked out at him behind the referee.

Wouldn't be surprised if he got a three match ban, pity because he seemed to be gettin back to his old self.


Looks like this is gaining momentum, think I can see a 3 match ban coming & McClean getting punished for his spat with the Everton fan.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 15, 2016, 11:10:32 AM
Storm in a tea cup for me, thought he was stupid to do it at the time but McCarthy was being a bit of a dick barging him and mouthing off etc. Surprisingly MOTD didn't show it in the highlights or refer to it all all.

Martinez says it was a stamp but it was a flick of the leg.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 15, 2016, 11:27:53 AM
Storm in a tea cup for me, thought he was stupid to do it at the time but McCarthy was being a bit of a dick barging him and mouthing off etc. Surprisingly MOTD didn't show it in the highlights or refer to it all all.

Martinez says it was a stamp but it was a flick of the leg.

Martinez is a sore loser, pretty sure the incident will be referred if the ref didn't see it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on February 15, 2016, 02:21:03 PM
Let's hope that no news is good news insofar as any FA disciplinary action is concerned.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on February 15, 2016, 05:00:28 PM
I hope he is banned for three games, three games less for me to see is smug face.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 15, 2016, 06:23:33 PM
First I have heard about this! :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on February 15, 2016, 06:39:33 PM
Let's hope that no news is good news insofar as any FA disciplinary action is concerned.
It usually happens pretty quickly doesn't it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on February 15, 2016, 06:59:47 PM
I hope he is banned for three games, three games less for me to see is smug face.

Lets hope he's not, and a smiling sadio is pictured after scoring in each of those games
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on February 15, 2016, 07:18:58 PM
Lets hope he's not, and a smiling sadio is pictured after scoring in each of those games
Some hope of that! i don"t understand that people don"t get it, HE DOES"NT WANT TO BE HERE!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 15, 2016, 07:34:19 PM
Some hope of that! i don"t understand that people don"t get it, HE DOES"NT WANT TO BE HERE!


Not quite correct, Odemwingie didn't want to be here, & proved it by going to Cardiff, he'd have gone anywhere rather than be here.

Saido is of the opinion that he can play at a higher level, & is impatient to get there, not quite the same as "doesn't want to be here".

For what it's worth, I think he'll, have his moments, but by and large be pretty positive until the summer & then he'll get his wish.


Incidentally, the panel would have sat today, so if we don't hear anything in the next few hours, it's likely that no action will be taken


Latest information from Newsnow

Saido Berahino sweating over possible three-match FA ban for alleged James McCarthy stamp
17:19, 15 FEB 2016 UPDATED 17:19, 15 FEB 2016
BY JAMES NURSEY
Officials at the FA today requested footage of the incident from broadcasters to view it from every the angle

   


Saido Berahino is sweating on a possible ban after the FA asked to study footage of his alleged stamp on James McCarthy.

Officials at the FA today requested footage of the incident from broadcasters to view it from every the angle.


The West Brom forward could be hit with a three-match ban if found guilty of kicking out at Everton's McCarthy in Albion's 1-0 win at Goodison.

The incident not spotted by referee Michael Oliver or Neil Swarbrick, the fourth official, but prompted an angry backlash from McCarthy.

Everton manager Roberto Martinez complained post-match Berahino should have been sent off.

The FA now have until Tuesday night to obtain footage and make a retrospective decision on the first half clash.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 15, 2016, 09:20:01 PM
Got to be honest if Berahino gets a ban from something no-one seemed to see or be bothered about at the time and Danny Drinkwater gets away with his challenge on Aaron Ramsey which was seen by everyone but he is protected by the rule of the ref not taking action at the time then the game is gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 15, 2016, 09:25:41 PM
Got to be honest if Berahino gets a ban from something no-one seemed to see or be bothered about at the time and Danny Drinkwater gets away with his challenge on Aaron Ramsey which was seen by everyone but he is protected by the rule of the ref not taking action at the time then the game is gone.

erm, current media darlings getting same treatment as the pariah from the west midlands, now call me cynical but.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 15, 2016, 09:31:48 PM
Got to be honest if Berahino gets a ban from something no-one seemed to see or be bothered about at the time and Danny Drinkwater gets away with his challenge on Aaron Ramsey which was seen by everyone but he is protected by the rule of the ref not taking action at the time then the game is gone.

Still haven't seen the challenge but if it's as bad as Martinez's making out then it will indeed be a three game ban.

But as you say, taken in the context of Drinkwater's challenge it would be a real kick in the nuts for the lad.

Talking of which..........

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Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on February 15, 2016, 09:52:48 PM
Has anyone actually seen the challenge? I can't remember any mention of it during the game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 16, 2016, 04:20:36 AM
None of the highlights programmes featured footage of the incident and if the stamp was as blatant as Everton claim then I would have thought they would. This means the editors of the programmes either missed the significance of the incident or it wasn't captured on camera at all. So Saido has either been lucky or the incident wasn't as blatant as Martinez and McCarthy are claiming.

In general either we can have retrospective punishment or we don't the current halfway house is unsatisfactory but I think we need to rethink the games use of technology to assist referees particularly as they have all their real time decisions picked over in super slow mo but as ever with football progress is glacial when it comes to these matters.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 16, 2016, 06:09:55 AM
Got to be honest if Berahino gets a ban from something no-one seemed to see or be bothered about at the time and Danny Drinkwater gets away with his challenge on Aaron Ramsey which was seen by everyone but he is protected by the rule of the ref not taking action at the time then the game is gone.

The game went ages ago mate
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 16, 2016, 08:25:52 AM
I don't get where Martinez says it's a stamp, it was a petulant kick out after McCarthey kept barging/nudging him with his shoulder, everytime he walked past Berahino he nudged him and then they had an exchange of words and Berahino kicked out at him. Storm in a tea cup....their fans made a bit of noise about it but they made more noise about Fosters time wasting.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 16, 2016, 08:54:25 AM
I don't get where Martinez says it's a stamp, it was a petulant kick out after McCarthey kept barging/nudging him with his shoulder, everytime he walked past Berahino he nudged him and then they had an exchange of words and Berahino kicked out at him. Storm in a tea cup....their fans made a bit of noise about it but they made more noise about Fosters time wasting.

Speed read through a match day thread on an Everton site last night.
Lots of frustration as the game wore on, not just with our tactics but with Martinez's general set ups and substitutions.

On a seven page thread they highlighted time wasting throughout, even raising the possibiltiy of a red card for Brunt; no idea what they were referring to though. However, there was not a single mention of an alleged Berahino stamp on that thread.

Would have thought those eagle eyed editors on MotD would have been all over it in a heart beat had it been deemed worthy of arguing the toss over.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 16, 2016, 09:01:45 AM
Everton are the most critical bunch of supporters , always have been always will, they are never happy
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 16, 2016, 09:03:43 AM
Speed read through a match day thread on an Everton site last night.
Lots of frustration as the game wore on, not just with our tactics but with Martinez's general set ups and substitutions.

On a seven page thread they highlighted time wasting throughout, even raising the possibiltiy of a red card for Brunt; no idea what they were referring to though. However, there was not a single mention of an alleged Berahino stamp on that thread.

Would have thought those eagle eyed editors on MotD would have been all over it in a heart beat had it been deemed worthy of arguing the toss over.

my thoughts exactly. If they deemed Cameron's head push on yacob as not worthy of a red then they can't say that this non event was worthy of one either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on February 16, 2016, 09:15:43 AM
Didn't see anything on the SKy Match Choice highlights either, and they are 60 minutes long!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on February 16, 2016, 09:24:32 AM
I used to like Martinez at Wigan, thought he was a classy bloke but since going to Everton he has turned into a whiney petulant little tool.

Every game they lose its someone elses fault according to him, decisions gone against them, they have been unlucky, etc, etc even Seamus Coleman (who i think is a cracking player) said its getting boring now hearing it.

I think the job may be to big for Martinez, i like Everton and with the players he has he should doing a lot better than he his.

If during the game the officials had booked Saido and it should of been a red, or even a free kick had been given and he got no other punishment then fair enough talk about an incident but the fact remains nothing was given and nobody saw anything, it was a nothing incident that is now starting to get made into a big deal.

I dont think comments in the aftermath by k***heads like Martinez will help Saido at all, it makes it public and sometimes the FA like to be seen to be doing something and have a feeling we could suffer here, it wont change the result or the fact Everton cant hit a barn door

If Saido does get a ban then i hope Pulis rings Martinez, thanks him for his involvement and between now and the end of the season if Everton have a incident like that i hope Pulis speaks out about it and keeps it in the media, tit for tat and all that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 16, 2016, 09:34:22 AM
I read somewhere they are struggling to find any footage. ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 16, 2016, 09:37:06 AM
I read somewhere they are struggling to find any footage. ;D
Found this.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3448604/FA-investigate-Everton-claims-Saido-Berahino-stamped-James-McCarthy.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 16, 2016, 09:46:38 AM
I must say I watched the full 90 minutes on a stream and never noticed any such incident and didn't hear the commentators say anything about it. Just poor old Roberto upset that his amazing attacking side couldn't break through our back line so he's trying to raise points that will deflect away from his own sides poor performance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 16, 2016, 09:51:39 AM
I used to like Martinez at Wigan, thought he was a classy bloke but since going to Everton he has turned into a whiney petulant little tool.

Every game they lose its someone elses fault according to him, decisions gone against them, they have been unlucky, etc, etc even Seamus Coleman (who i think is a cracking player) said its getting boring now hearing it.

I think the job may be to big for Martinez, i like Everton and with the players he has he should doing a lot better than he his.

If during the game the officials had booked Saido and it should of been a red, or even a free kick had been given and he got no other punishment then fair enough talk about an incident but the fact remains nothing was given and nobody saw anything, it was a nothing incident that is now starting to get made into a big deal.

I dont think comments in the aftermath by k***heads like Martinez will help Saido at all, it makes it public and sometimes the FA like to be seen to be doing something and have a feeling we could suffer here, it wont change the result or the fact Everton cant hit a barn door

If Saido does get a ban then i hope Pulis rings Martinez, thanks him for his involvement and between now and the end of the season if Everton have a incident like that i hope Pulis speaks out about it and keeps it in the media, tit for tat and all that.

His comments are indicative of what pressure does to people.  Big expectations at Everton and the pressure is on.

I'd still take him as Pulis' replacement.  His teams always try to decent football and I think our size of club is ideal for him.  Would be a good fit and if we ruled out all managers who whinge then there's nobody left!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbafc68 on February 16, 2016, 10:01:33 AM
In my world decent football includes decent defending and Martinez doesn't do that . He is another Mowbray who we can all applaud when we get relegated
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 16, 2016, 10:13:46 AM
Found this.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3448604/FA-investigate-Everton-claims-Saido-Berahino-stamped-James-McCarthy.html

I've seen loads of articles stemming from Martinez relating to the alleged offence, no actual video footage or photographic evidence of the actual incident though.

Not calling him a liar by any means.

Just seems a little odd as there is usually footage spewing all over the place and netiher MotD or Sky seem to have highlighted any as yet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 16, 2016, 11:59:51 AM
I listened to the game on WM and they saw it and commented on it suggesting that it was well off the ball (probably why no footage) and that he kicked out at him and was probably lucky none of the officials saw it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on February 16, 2016, 12:02:05 PM
Petulant, snide attempt to get revenge for his/their failure.  Wouldn't put it past the FA to "give" Everton this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 16, 2016, 12:48:14 PM
E & S on twitter saying no action will be taken.

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Matt Wilson ‏@mattwilson_star  3m3 minutes ago
The FA are taking no further action over Berahino's alleged kick out at McCarthy on Saturday, so he won't be banned #wba
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 Matt Wilson ‏@mattwilson_star  1m1 minute ago
Panel of 3 ex-referees watch video footage, and they all have to agree it was a red card for player to be charged. They didn't. #wba
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 16, 2016, 01:44:39 PM
Good news.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 16, 2016, 02:34:54 PM
the correct decision. I would like Pulis to have a word though with Berahino as it was petulant.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 16, 2016, 02:36:06 PM
we need him to perform at least 2 games more, then he can go to tottingham with ones blessings
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 16, 2016, 02:39:47 PM
Martinez can stop bleating now, he's the only person who seems to have made any noise about it.
maybe someone should buy him a blame defector for xmas.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on February 16, 2016, 02:44:44 PM
 Martinez has a big problem............it takes a poor manager to get a squad as good as Evertons as low as they are plus it would seem a takeover is in the offing which could mean changes. It would seem he is engaging in a bit of ass covering!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on February 16, 2016, 02:55:30 PM
If he can win us 2 games by goal poaching from now till the end of the season, his work here will be done, as they say.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 16, 2016, 03:41:13 PM
We got a lucky break there, if the ref had seen it he would have sent Saido off.

Granted it wasn't as dramatic as Martinez made out, but a he did kick out at the Everton player and players get sent off for that nowadays.



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 16, 2016, 08:31:38 PM
I've seen loads of articles stemming from Martinez relating to the alleged offence, no actual video footage or photographic evidence of the actual incident though.

Not calling him a liar by any means.

Just seems a little odd as there is usually footage spewing all over the place and netiher MotD or Sky seem to have highlighted any as yet.
Indeed that is what I thought as well. I only found out about it on here.I have a mate who is an Everton fan and he has not mentioned it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Joust on February 20, 2016, 08:06:39 PM
Absolute dog s***e again today. Never worth £20m in a million years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 20, 2016, 08:20:25 PM
Absolute dog s***e again today. Never worth £20m in a million years.

If we paid off Pulis to go now and brought in a more attacking manager, the chances are that we'd get about £10m more for Berahino in the summer than we will get if we carry on playing like this and devalue Berahino with each and every Pulisball game. 

Keeping Pulis is a false economy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Joust on February 20, 2016, 08:21:40 PM
If we paid off Pulis to go now and brought in a more attacking manager, the chances are that we'd get about £10m more for Berahino in the summer than we will get if we carry on playing like this and devalue Berahino with each and every Pulisball game. 

Keeping Pulis is a false economy.

Good point, although for me he doesn't seem bothered, movement is poor, touch is poor, doesn't have a shot ...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 20, 2016, 08:27:39 PM
Absolute dog s***e again today. Never worth £20m in a million years.

Thank you, I thought it was me.
All I keep hearing is Bera this and Bera that, stop blowing smoke up his arris.
Hes had one half decent season and thats it.
We've been kidding ourselves that he isnt getting the service. When he gets a good ball its off his knee or the corner of his threepenny bit head.
He's chyte and his attitude stinks.
The sooner he's sold and we buy a proper footballer the better
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: spencer Baggie on February 20, 2016, 09:14:31 PM
Strolled through the game today. Did naff all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kendo on February 21, 2016, 09:28:36 AM
I bet there are some very happy chairmen who are glad they never paid 25 mil, for him. He is hardly involved in any game since he as been back and I can,t  see who would want him right now. He as got a lot to prove between now and the rest of the season. We have 2 strikers who are not very good right now and 2 strikers sitting on the bench that are a dame site worse. The sooner we have a real good clear out the better. We want young hungry players who want to play for the club. Clear them out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on February 21, 2016, 11:24:09 AM
Even if Saido is playing a bit behind Rondon, we've been here before...playing two strikers doesn't suit us as much as playing one up top with a genuine attacking midfielder behind to link defence and attack better.
This means Morrison....and in his absence Pritchard.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 21, 2016, 11:31:17 AM
thought he was dire yesterday.
valued at £25m
worth about £10m in reality.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: graka on February 21, 2016, 11:33:51 AM
Looks over weight still. His main quality was being sharp and pacey who can finish well. He looks slow cumbersome so suits the pulis way at the moment
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pie on February 26, 2016, 03:07:54 PM
Saido Berahino Interview on WBA youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUYPhf03CaI&feature=youtu.be

interesting....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 03:40:06 PM
Apology from the lad which we have to accept and move on, whether he actually means it or not is another thing but im going to get behind the lad from now until he leaves

Its true he has made mistakes, its also refreshing to hear he asked to play for the U-21's to get his fitness up and id seen he had been taking extra coaching lessons off his own back up at St Georges to improve his game.

He may have learnt from these mistakes, I would now play him and give him a run of games and see what happens...if he has a great end to the season it means we do to
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on February 26, 2016, 03:54:48 PM
An apology is better late than never.

Especially when:

Despite having spent so long on the sidelines, Berahino is Albion’s joint top-scorer, alongside Salomon Rondon, with six goals.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-striker-saido-berahino-10955726#ICID=FB-Birm-wba (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-striker-saido-berahino-10955726#ICID=FB-Birm-wba)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 26, 2016, 04:00:45 PM
The bridges have been burnt for me. An apology has arrived only because he has been advised to do so to put himself back in the shop window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on February 26, 2016, 04:03:40 PM
The bridges have been burnt for me. An apology has arrived only because he has been advised to do so to put himself back in the shop window.

Good to see you being so adult about it. A true example.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 04:10:28 PM
Best thing for all sides is for him to get his head down work hard score goals and increase his value...then at the end of the season move on...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 26, 2016, 04:15:07 PM
Good interview that one even if it should have come much sooner than it has, the woman asking the questions didn't hold either back to be fair to her. The most infuriating thing about him for me is that he's clearly not thick yet he's done some ridiculously stupid things over his career so far.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on February 26, 2016, 04:48:03 PM
Apology from the lad which we have to accept and move on, whether he actually means it or not is another thing but im going to get behind the lad from now until he leaves

Its true he has made mistakes, its also refreshing to hear he asked to play for the U-21's to get his fitness up and id seen he had been taking extra coaching lessons off his own back up at St Georges to improve his game.

He may have learnt from these mistakes, I would now play him and give him a run of games and see what happens...if he has a great end to the season it means we do to

Perhaps he hasn't got to heading on his coaching sessions yet!

Although it is good to have an apology it took a long time in coming, perhaps it is a sweetener so he can get his move to a top six club? The best apology that Berahino can make now is to score goals to win us enough points to stay in the premier league.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on February 26, 2016, 05:37:19 PM

just seen this on bbc sport site:

West Brom striker Saido Berahino says he regrets threatening to go on strike and has apologised to the club and its supporters.

The 22-year-old tried to force a move away from The Hawthorns in the summer after the Baggies rejected two bids from Tottenham Hotspur.

In September he tweeted he would never play for chairman Jeremy Peace.




But he said: "It is something I look back on and really regret. I should never have said that. I am human."

Berahino, who was the subject of a £21m bid from Newcastle in January, has scored six goals in 25 games for Albion this season, with boss Tony Pulis critical of his form and fitness.

The England Under-21 international netted 20 times for the Baggies last term.

"I make mistakes," he added. "I hold my hands up and I say it was a mistake from me. I just apologise to all the fans out there that have always supported me and also the club that has always believed in me.

"I have missed a lot of football and I am just trying to get myself back into match fitness and sharper again like I was last season.

"My focus is mainly on getting back to what I was last season and finishing really on a high."

West Brom are 14th in the Premier League and entertain Crystal Palace on Saturday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 26, 2016, 06:49:44 PM
Obviously a good bit of PR, a bit like saying to potential buyers, "look, I'm not a bad lad really, just misguided, so please come for me."

It maybe should have been said sooner, I actually would prefer players to do their talking on the pitch. Let's face it, if Saido had performed as we know he can, no apology would be needed or said.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on February 26, 2016, 07:37:00 PM
Apology from the lad which we have to accept and move on, whether he actually means it or not is another thing but im going to get behind the lad from now until he leaves

Its true he has made mistakes, its also refreshing to hear he asked to play for the U-21's to get his fitness up and id seen he had been taking extra coaching lessons off his own back up at St Georges to improve his game.

He may have learnt from these mistakes, I would now play him and give him a run of games and see what happens...if he has a great end to the season it means we do to
I don't have to accept anything from him, i couldn't care less i will never change my mind the sooner he us gone the better
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on February 26, 2016, 07:38:25 PM
The bridges have been burnt for me. An apology has arrived only because he has been advised to do so to put himself back in the shop window.
100% agreed
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on February 26, 2016, 07:40:04 PM
100% agreed

Why are you so irate? Have you never said anything in the heat of anger that you later regret?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on February 26, 2016, 07:45:01 PM
Why are you so irate? Have you never said anything in the heat of anger that you later regret?
Yes i have but not for over a year!!! He doesn't want to he at the Albion i don't want him at the Albion end of
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on February 26, 2016, 07:58:35 PM
should of been said months ago !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on February 26, 2016, 08:14:53 PM
He's a bit of a ****, but at least this is a step in the right direction.

He didn't have to do it, but if he is serious, then he now needs to show us out on the pitch, he owes us...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 26, 2016, 08:45:23 PM
I fully accept his apology and will 100% support the lad.

Honestly I sometimes despair with people who will not accept an apology, we all  make them, the only people who don't are people who do nothing and take no responsibility for anything.

I would imagine how far he has set himself back, especially when he sees an 18 year old youngster grabbing headlines for Man Utd in Europe. Time he can never get back!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on February 26, 2016, 09:01:55 PM
People slated him for what he said and wanted an apology, he has apologised and people are still complaining? lol WOW our 'fans' really are immature and dumb no wonder where the laughing stock with what other fans see as a 'Sh*t fanbase', the majority will find any reason and excuse to complain about the club they claim to love.

Me personally, I couldn't give a toss what hes done or said or if he said sorry or not, i dont pay his wages so it dont affect me, BUT if he's a west brom striker i expect goals... and hes our only player that can find the net (bare in mind hes cost us F ALL compared to ideye and rondon) so thats good enough for me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on February 26, 2016, 09:03:04 PM
"Don't tell me , show me " .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on February 26, 2016, 09:21:01 PM
The reporter didn't hold back at all, brilliant! Will probably be warned to stick to the mundane question list only in future by her superiors  :P

Agreed hopefully she can interview TP after games.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on February 26, 2016, 10:29:45 PM
People slated him for what he said and wanted an apology, he has apologised and people are still complaining? lol WOW our 'fans' really are immature and dumb no wonder where the laughing stock with what other fans see as a 'Sh*t fanbase', the majority will find any reason and excuse to complain about the club they claim to love.

Me personally, I couldn't give a toss what hes done or said or if he said sorry or not, i dont pay his wages so it dont affect me, BUT if he's a west brom striker i expect goals... and hes our only player that can find the net (bare in mind hes cost us F ALL compared to ideye and rondon) so thats good enough for me.
I didn't,don't want an apology,as i said in my previous post i couldn't care less, he doesn't mean it anyway he will do anything to smooth things over so he can get his move. I for one can't wait for that day. Oh and by the way i am neither immature or dumb!! It's called having an opinion
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 10:44:10 PM
Agreed hopefully she can interview TP after games.
Hope she replaces the usual after match sycophant. ..about time someone asked TP questions that are not scripted..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on February 26, 2016, 10:56:37 PM
I didn't,don't want an apology,as i said in my previous post i couldn't care less

Just an observation, but if "you couldn't care less", why are you on almost every single page of anything discussing Berahino berating him in the same way every time. I don't post too often but whenever I check any threads about Berahino I know I will not have to scroll far to find your name and a rant with exclamation marks about him which seems like you're about to have a coronary. You post about him that often that I would be truly shocked to not see you commenting on him whenever I open a thread about him. I think most people are aware of your dislike of him, I really feel that you don't need to keep repeating yourself over and over again, we've got the message. But, hey ho, it's your opinion and free speech and all that malarkey so just crack on because who am I to tell you what to do etc etc. Have a nice evening :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on February 26, 2016, 11:22:06 PM
Took him long enough.  I'm not convinced though.  He needs to up his game and show that he is sorry by putting in committed performances.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on February 27, 2016, 12:06:36 AM
Just an observation, but if "you couldn't care less", why are you on almost every single page of anything discussing Berahino berating him in the same way every time. I don't post too often but whenever I check any threads about Berahino I know I will not have to scroll far to find your name and a rant with exclamation marks about him which seems like you're about to have a coronary. You post about him that often that I would be truly shocked to not see you commenting on him whenever I open a thread about him. I think most people are aware of your dislike of him, I really feel that you don't need to keep repeating yourself over and over again, we've got the message. But, hey ho, it's your opinion and free speech and all that malarkey so just crack on because who am I to tell you what to do etc etc. Have a nice evening :)
I get wound up because people don't or don't want to accept he doesn't want to he here and if jp and allowed him to leave he would be gone. I really can't see why people want to forgive him, he as made his feelings clear how he feels about the chairman the fans and the club, now some of you might be able to forget but i won't. I also think that he as made the dressing room unhappy with is antics and we would have been better off letting him go. I am not on my own in this thinking either, at the end if the day i have been going to the Albion long before him and god willing will be going long after he as gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 27, 2016, 08:46:39 AM
I think fans are entitled to be a little cynical about the apology and it's timing. Does it mark a turning point in Saido's career? Possibly but I think that career is unlikely to be at the Albion. I would love to have a fit and firing Saido working with a coach who could get the best out of him, but sadly that seems unlikely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 27, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
Looks like an advertising/marketing video to me!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on February 27, 2016, 08:50:19 AM
I didn't,don't want an apology,as i said in my previous post i couldn't care less, he doesn't mean it anyway he will do anything to smooth things over so he can get his move. I for one can't wait for that day. Oh and by the way i am neither immature or dumb!! It's called having an opinion

how do you know? as he told you this? or is it just your 'opinion' that your trying to turn into a fact?

you've never said something you regret? you've never apologised and said something you didn't mean?

like he said... hes human and made mistakes, im sure you have too that doesn't mean everyone has to hate you,

'just my opinion' btw.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 27, 2016, 09:28:35 AM
I don't really give a toss if he means this apology or how long its taken him to make one. I just want him to do what he should have from the start by getting his head down and performing on the pitch.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: socalbaggie on February 27, 2016, 09:32:27 AM
I'm genuinely surprised with the reaction of so many when it comes to Saido's "apology". Being so concerned on the timing of it, whether it was genuine and if it is or is not too late to even bother apologizing. Without a doubt the guy has acted like a selfish, immature spoiled brat with a real bad attitude. Of course as a fan seeing him act this way has been frustrating and it has cost us points. However, I could care less if he apologizes as it's just words from a pro athlete I don't know personally. What I do care about is him scoring goals and if that starts happening all I gotta say is it's better late than never. He has had an attitude problem most of the season, hasn't played  consistently, has looked uninterested but is our joint top goalscorer having played a fraction of the minutes that Rondon has played so call me shallow but I can look past his faults and off field mistakes because he is without a doubt our best goal scorer and we need him. A bad attitude Berahino will get us more goals than a hard working, likable Rondon!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 27, 2016, 09:35:17 AM
It seems the modern footballer isn't overly bothered who he plays for so long as he receives his paycheck at the end of the day. Don't kid yourself that any of our squad are any different to Saido. Some are just a bit longer in the tooth and more media savvy. (Our head coach being a great example of this judging by the interview on his thread).

I take everything I hear that comes directly from the club with huge dollops of salt.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on February 27, 2016, 09:42:19 AM
It seems the modern footballer isn't overly bothered who he plays for so long as he receives his paycheck at the end of the day. Don't kid yourself that any of our squad are any different to Saido. Some are just a bit longer in the tooth and more media savvy. (Our head coach being a great example of this judging by the interview on his thread).

I take everything I hear that comes directly from the club with huge dollops of salt.

Probably the most accurate opinion on here, some people are just like you say a bit more savvy and wiser, berahino is the one who wants to move onto better things and has gone about it the wrong way however I wish we had 10 more players like that and a manager who wants to achieve something in there careers, rather than journeymen and plodders.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on February 27, 2016, 09:48:36 AM
Not sure myself, doesn't really need to apologise, I mean he is probably out of here at the end of the season, his put up with stick before, most fans have just accepted his behaviour as being the actions of a modern day footballer and that he is going anyway, he could have just bided his time.

The only reason I can see the point of him apologising is that he his genuinely sorry or a marketing tool to his future club to let them know he has "grown up" and not as big a risk to squad harmony. I suspect the tool.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 27, 2016, 10:21:55 AM
O.K then Saido, now get on with it..........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on February 27, 2016, 10:45:31 AM
Really not bothered one way or the other about him, but that's a shame because I used to have so much admiration for him.

I just want him to score for us as much as possible now to the end of the season. Then if he does I genuinely wish him well whatever he does.

Just bear in mind all those 'get out of our club' folks, we'd be six goals the poorer right now, we're starving here and sadly beggars can't be choosers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 27, 2016, 03:04:07 PM
Really not bothered one way or the other about him, but that's a shame because I used to have so much admiration for him.

I just want him to score for us as much as possible now to the end of the season. Then if he does I genuinely wish him well whatever he does.

Just bear in mind all those 'get out of our club' folks, we'd be six goals the poorer right now, we're starving here and sadly beggars can't be choosers.

Yup, not much he can do about the season gone, he still has a lot of games to sign off in our good books.  Just a shame that we didn't have him firing on all cylinders this season, I can imagine we'd have quite a few extra goals and if we'd had Foster in, we'd probably have conceded less too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Webby on February 27, 2016, 07:54:49 PM
If you want 60K a week and a top 6 team then do that for 11 more games Saido.

Pennies dropped
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on February 27, 2016, 07:59:54 PM
If you want 60K a week and a top 6 team then do that for 11 more games Saido.

Pennies dropped

Spot on.  Do that for rest of the season and the world's his oyster.

Not just his attacking performance which was impressive. Did his defensive work extremely well in linking the play.  Showed a lot of game awareness
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieman1805 on February 27, 2016, 08:28:11 PM
Brilliant performance today Saido
Carry that on for the rest of the season and we will have either

a - A very good PL striker next season

or

b - An even healthier bank balance
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 27, 2016, 08:38:09 PM
Answered with a good performance on the pitch that will do me. More goals Saido please.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 27, 2016, 08:39:50 PM
class today the lad was

has to start every game if fit
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on February 27, 2016, 08:57:38 PM
Rondom & Saido seems to be getting better at reading each other just wish we could have seem more of this earlier in the season 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on February 27, 2016, 08:59:16 PM
Was that good enough for you? No doubt some will still criticise the boy for smiling.

Keep up the good work Saido, massive two fingers to the haters.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 27, 2016, 09:00:48 PM
Was that good enough for you? No doubt some will still criticise the boy for smiling.

Keep up the good work Saido, massive two fingers to the haters.

He has caused many of his own problems.

Just because someone criticises doesn't make them a hater so those two fingers can be shoved where one likes  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on February 27, 2016, 09:31:10 PM
Showed just how good he can be and why despite the off field issues clubs are still going in for him.

Was fantastic today, my pick for Man of the Match just ahead of Sess, Gardner and Rondon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 27, 2016, 10:17:33 PM
class today the lad was

has to start every game if fit
that's the key, he looked fitter today and chased all game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 27, 2016, 11:17:26 PM
I think Saido is now hitting the form we know he can, I think mostly to prove to potential buyers that he's still a top player, but if he fires us up the table then it's a win win for us.

He'll be gone next season, and it will all be about his replacement..

It's just annoying that it's taken this long for him to sort himself out., we may have actually had a more entertaining and enjoyable season if he hadn't acted like he did.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on February 28, 2016, 09:06:13 AM
He has caused many of his own problems.

Just because someone criticises doesn't make them a hater so those two fingers can be shoved where one likes  :D

Charming ;D ;D

You and I both know that some people will never have a good word to say about the boy. My comment is more aimed towards them than the people who constructively criticise but also give credit where it's due.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIE5 on February 28, 2016, 09:13:53 AM
For saido to perform, i think Rondon and Sess were the key yesterday. Beacuse they had each other supporting they both look good.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 28, 2016, 09:16:42 AM
For saido to perform, i think Rondon and Sess were the key yesterday. Beacuse they had each other supporting they both look good.
Basically a three pronged attacking force.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on February 28, 2016, 09:33:10 AM
Basically a three pronged attacking force.
Agree and i thought Fletcher was good linking play into them last night.
Support and careful passing is the key.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 28, 2016, 09:49:21 AM
Agree and i thought Fletcher was good linking play into them last night.
Support and careful passing is the key.
Was Fletcher on the pitch?
Mr Nowhere man for me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nocky on February 28, 2016, 09:52:59 AM
Was Fletcher on the pitch?
Mr Nowhere man for me.

Christ, what game were you watching?! He bossed Cabaye in the middle of the park all game. First to every second ball, kept the ball very well and some important tackles. A compete CM performance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on February 28, 2016, 10:00:13 AM
Was Fletcher on the pitch?
Mr Nowhere man for me.
;D ,  thought you might say that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on February 28, 2016, 10:25:56 AM
Was Fletcher on the pitch?
Mr Nowhere man for me.

I'm stunned by that. Each to their own but I thought he was outstanding, bossed the midfield.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: NathWBA on February 28, 2016, 10:37:16 AM
Was Fletcher on the pitch?
Mr Nowhere man for me.
I'm not s fan of fletcher but have to say he played very well yesterday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on February 28, 2016, 12:34:46 PM
Got called blind and a hater for saying he didn't do enough at Everton (put that down to the god awful view of the pitch from four rows back in the corner?) but he was superb yesterday. Looked interested, less selfish and a team player. Well done.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 28, 2016, 02:55:50 PM
Charming ;D ;D

You and I both know that some people will never have a good word to say about the boy. My comment is more aimed towards them than the people who constructively criticise but also give credit where it's due.

It was more polite than anything i'll be saying to you Tuesday no doubt  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 28, 2016, 08:58:19 PM
Great to have the Berahino of old back.

A remarkable change in attitude too. Last week we saw the Berahino who couldn't give a toss and didn't want to be here, but yesterday he was totally different, chased everything down, provided an outlet, was good on the ball and looked like he was enjoying his football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 28, 2016, 10:59:46 PM
Great to have the Berahino of old back.

A remarkable change in attitude too. Last week we saw the Berahino who couldn't give a toss and didn't want to be here, but yesterday he was totally different, chased everything down, provided an outlet, was good on the ball and looked like he was enjoying his football.

I honestly think that's the difference to our side.  Without Berahino we don't have the forward line to play two up top so we end up with an extra midfielder.  That wouldn't be so bad if we had a midfield with a bit of pace but we lack that.

He apparently covered more ground than any player on the pitched Saturday, and performed more sprints.  He look a £20m player and realistically, if he goes, that's a massive gap to fill.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on March 01, 2016, 09:49:28 AM
Jermaine Jenas on Radio5 Live saying we SHOULD have sold Saido when Spurs offered 24m

He is as bad as Michael Owen at punditry, he quite clearly doesnt have a clue.

Perhaps I should offer him 3-4 million for his house, £10 down and if I become a millionaire ill pay for the rest of it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on March 01, 2016, 09:57:34 AM
Jermaine Jenas on Radio5 Live saying we SHOULD have sold Saido when Spurs offered 24m

He is as bad as Michael Owen at punditry, he quite clearly doesnt have a clue.

Perhaps I should offer him 3-4 million for his house, £10 down and if I become a millionaire ill pay for the rest of it

Thing is, most of the pundits are ex-players with no Management experience, so all you get is a player's perspective. Also, being controversial makes good radio/tv/newspapers. It's when players believe that pundits comments justify their own position that the real problems start.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on March 01, 2016, 10:13:55 AM
Jermaine Jenas on Radio5 Live saying we SHOULD have sold Saido when Spurs offered 24m

He is as bad as Michael Owen at punditry, he quite clearly doesnt have a clue.

Perhaps I should offer him 3-4 million for his house, £10 down and if I become a millionaire ill pay for the rest of it
lets see how they feel when the vultures start circling around Kane and Pochettino...I'm going to phone in radio shows and go on Spurs message boards saying they should just let them go and it will be wrong to stand in there way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 01, 2016, 10:18:45 AM
Jermaine Jenas on Radio5 Live saying we SHOULD have sold Saido when Spurs offered 24m

He is as bad as Michael Owen at punditry, he quite clearly doesnt have a clue.

Perhaps I should offer him 3-4 million for his house, £10 down and if I become a millionaire ill pay for the rest of it


well said, dont they keep up
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on March 06, 2016, 08:32:14 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/05/west-brom-saido-berahino-summer-move-tottenham

Looks like a deal may be in place for the summer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on March 06, 2016, 09:21:30 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/05/west-brom-saido-berahino-summer-move-tottenham

Looks like a deal may be in place for the summer
That is why his attitude as changed, because the spoilt little pr!!k as got his own way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on March 06, 2016, 09:28:12 AM
That is why his attitude as changed, because the spoilt little pr!!k as got his own way.

You could well be right.  The loan deal with Pritchard may well have been linked.

I'm not too bothered to be honest, as long as the price and terms were right for this club.   Just don't let the money get wasted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on March 06, 2016, 09:39:57 AM
Bet he's glad he didn't go to Newcastle...

Townsend and Shelvey in the Championship next season? 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on March 06, 2016, 10:00:52 AM
Id happily have Shelvey here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on March 06, 2016, 10:12:47 AM
I know the linked article is dated for today, but I swear I read that during/just after the January transfer window.

It even carried the same picture of Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on March 06, 2016, 10:18:18 AM
I know the linked article is dated for today, but I swear I read that during/just after the January transfer window.

It even carried the same picture of Berahino.
I think your right with that, just recycling old rubbish.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on March 06, 2016, 10:51:18 AM
I would be reasonably happy with an amicable sale being arranged right at the outset of the window we all know that he will be on his way in the summer and we just don't need another saga. Bearing in mind I can't see us turning over anything less than 8 players this summer and possibly more not knowing what we are looking for and the budget until we have resolved the Saido situation is a issue we don't need.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on March 06, 2016, 11:37:09 AM
we have to hope the deal is done, SB exits stage left as soon as season is over, TP gets his targets in and fell running commences on time.
The combination of Jeremy Peace / Daniel Levy & the Euros will ensure those starts do not align though. :-(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 06, 2016, 02:57:36 PM
Can we have a moment here to say well done to JP?

Given the situation we faced in the Summer & again in January the chosen path has resulted in Saido still being here, being involved in several of our recent goals, we kept him from the grasp of Newcastle and seemingly have sent them down as a result and come the summer we get a very decent fee (seeing as JP is involved i think this is a given) and we remain a Prem club while others fall to the wayside.

Very well done WBA & JP especially, because if it had gone wrong, thousands would have jumped on you for making the "wrong" decision. It's only fair to recognise a job well done.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on March 06, 2016, 03:04:48 PM
Can we have a moment here to say well done to JP?

Given the situation we faced in the Summer & again in January the chosen path has resulted in Saido still being here, being involved in several of our recent goals, we kept him from the grasp of Newcastle and seemingly have sent them down as a result and come the summer we get a very decent fee (seeing as JP is involved i think this is a given) and we remain a Prem club while others fall to the wayside.

Very well done WBA & JP especially, because if it had gone wrong, thousands would have jumped on you for making the "wrong" decision. It's only fair to recognise a job well done.

Agreed, well said, I wanted him sold what do I know.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on March 06, 2016, 05:06:24 PM
Bet he's glad he didn't go to Newcastle...

Townsend and Shelvey in the Championship next season?

it's a damn shame we didn't ship him off to newcastle. we'd £25m cash. and he'd be playing in the chumps, with villa. perfect.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieman1805 on March 06, 2016, 06:21:47 PM
Can we have a moment here to say well done to JP?

Given the situation we faced in the Summer & again in January the chosen path has resulted in Saido still being here, being involved in several of our recent goals, we kept him from the grasp of Newcastle and seemingly have sent them down as a result and come the summer we get a very decent fee (seeing as JP is involved i think this is a given) and we remain a Prem club while others fall to the wayside.

Very well done WBA & JP especially, because if it had gone wrong, thousands would have jumped on you for making the "wrong" decision. It's only fair to recognise a job well done.

Wise words Sir
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on March 06, 2016, 06:35:56 PM
Wise words Sir
along with sess I thought he was very poor today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggieman1805 on March 06, 2016, 06:41:49 PM
along with sess I thought he was very poor today.

Agreed, but that wasn't the sentiment I was applauding  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on March 06, 2016, 06:48:15 PM
Agreed, but that wasn't the sentiment I was applauding  ::)
sos mate dunno why I quoted that  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Oldbaggie on March 06, 2016, 08:03:38 PM
Can we have a moment here to say well done to JP?

Given the situation we faced in the Summer & again in January the chosen path has resulted in Saido still being here, being involved in several of our recent goals, we kept him from the grasp of Newcastle and seemingly have sent them down as a result and come the summer we get a very decent fee (seeing as JP is involved i think this is a given) and we remain a Prem club while others fall to the wayside.

Very well done WBA & JP especially, because if it had gone wrong, thousands would have jumped on you for making the "wrong" decision. It's only fair to recognise a job well done.
Well said
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 06, 2016, 08:06:21 PM
Not impressed with him today, very mediocre.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 06, 2016, 08:22:45 PM
Not impressed with him today, very mediocre.
Good days..bad days. His first touch eluded him today. He doesn't seem comfortable when crowded out. Very few do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on March 06, 2016, 08:33:49 PM
Didn't have his best day today but showed a few good touches and passes. Clever ball for Rondon in the first half which I feel Rondon should have looked to hit at goal rather than across the six yard box as we only had one runner at the back post.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on March 06, 2016, 09:20:41 PM
Not impressed with him today, very mediocre.
He did ok, Smalling is a good defender and was probably the only Man Utd player to come out with any credit.  What it also means though is that if defenders are watching Berahino closely it gives Rondon some space.  The pair of them look a handful.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 06, 2016, 11:40:03 PM
Poor again today.

The sooner Saido goes and we have the cash to invest the better. Beggars belief that some have taken to singing his name again, have you forgotten all that he has done over the past year or so, the disrespect he has shown our great club?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on March 07, 2016, 11:36:07 AM
I watched the game again last night and he didn't have a bad game was neat and tidy in his work and showed that he is growing into playing in a deeper role, i.e. intelligent use of the ball. He got on the end of things in the box a couple of times and Smalling (who I thought was excellent) got in blocks. Setting the goal aside I don't think the performance was very much worse than the Palace game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on March 07, 2016, 04:36:15 PM
Pretty much how I would have judged his performance Standaman.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on March 08, 2016, 12:02:46 AM
the mail online reporting that spurs will sign saido for as little as £12m in the summer.
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/819903368?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on March 08, 2016, 12:53:37 AM
At £12m we are better off taking our chances with a tribunal just to prove the point to all concerned.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on March 08, 2016, 03:12:23 AM
the mail online reporting that spurs will sign saido for as little as £12m in the summer.
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/819903368?-11200:789:0

Load of absolute tosh. There is no deal in place with any club to sell Saido to them in the summer. If he is to be sold in the summer then we will have to receive fresh bids because nothing is agreed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on March 08, 2016, 07:34:12 AM
Saido comes back in the team, which coincides with a run of brilliant form, and he is still "poor" according to some.

Let it go, let it goooo..... :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 08, 2016, 08:18:41 AM
the mail online reporting that spurs will sign saido for as little as £12m in the summer.
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/819903368?-11200:789:0

still unsettleing, they never give up do they
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on March 08, 2016, 08:48:14 AM
Saido comes back in the team, which coincides with a run of brilliant form, and he is still "poor" according to some.

Let it go, let it goooo..... :P

Indeed, missing a £20m for most of the season was obviously going to affect us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on March 08, 2016, 09:17:32 AM
What is it with spurs, the media and bera?
Just reading the daily mail it says that he is set for spurs for a total of 24 million, that's made up of 12 million to sign and 12 million in wages over 5 years
Do they really think they will get him for   that amount,really?
I would take jp negotiating skills any day over levy,not in the same class.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stoxman on March 08, 2016, 12:21:55 PM
He did ok, Smalling is a good defender and was probably the only Man Utd player to come out with any credit.  What it also means though is that if defenders are watching Berahino closely it gives Rondon some space.  The pair of them look a handful.

I thought he was ok. Players do just have good and bad games. All of the stars of the Man Utd game (Rondon, Fletcher, Yacob, Gardner..) have had very poor games in the recent past.  In any game you will have a few (such as those mentioned) who were 8 or 9 out of 10 and then a few others (Sess, Berahino..) who only did ok.  I watched Berahino pretty closely and he was full of running and seemed to be putting everything in. Had he managed to get ahead of his defender for that hard cross from the right along the 6 yard box, he would have scored and been a hero. Pretty fine margins between being an 8/10 and a 6/10.  Did ok for me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on March 08, 2016, 12:25:25 PM
What is it with spurs, the media and bera?
Just reading the daily mail it says that he is set for spurs for a total of 24 million, that's made up of 12 million to sign and 12 million in wages over 5 years
Do they really think they will get him for   that amount,really?
I would take jp negotiating skills any day over levy,not in the same class.

thats 200k / wk,  no chance
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on March 08, 2016, 01:09:46 PM
thats 200k / wk,  no chance

£46k a week I think.  But even that's just the total Spurs would pay before tax, if you take tax from that Berahino won't be on £45k a week.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on March 08, 2016, 02:33:04 PM
Saido's change in attitude would suggest that something's gone on behind the scenes to give him hope that he may get his move to a top 4 club. Got to say though, I don't think we'll be able to replace him for £20 odd million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on March 08, 2016, 03:44:51 PM
£46k a week I think.  But even that's just the total Spurs would pay before tax, if you take tax from that Berahino won't be on £45k a week.

5hit, I just took the rise out of MikkyK for poor maths and I've done that, what a tool I am !!!!
thanks for that, it makes a little more sense now!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on March 08, 2016, 06:05:21 PM
Indeed, missing a £20m for most of the season was obviously going to affect us.

If only the Head Coach had thrown him in earlier, imagine where we could be now? :o :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: socalbaggie on March 08, 2016, 08:03:18 PM
I always felt the best way to handle this Berahino saga would have been to just keep starting him week in, week out!! No doubt his performances in the first couple starts would be a little lazy and half-hearted like he did coming on as a sub but continuing to stick with him would have quickly forced him to perform at his best as I'm sure he would not want to completely ruin any chance he might have at getting his big move in the summer. Once he realized TP wasn't going to allow him to pout on the bench and that his own lackluster performances and lack of goals would ruin any possibility of getting his dream move he would have quickly transformed into a motivated goal-scoring Berahino sooner rather than later!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2016, 09:32:32 PM
Think he's been handled perfectly. Cannot let players like this call the shots.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 08, 2016, 10:51:13 PM
Think he's been handled perfectly. Cannot let players like this call the shots.
Don't think his head coach should have come out to say he wanted to sell him in the summer, especially when his chairman was saying the opposite.
If we are saying that our game evolves around him playing and playing well (which appears to be the suggestion over our recent performances) then we should have been building around him, not telling him he could leave.

I think, unfortunately,  because they are (generally)  the greatest assets in a football club the players do currently wield the power.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on March 09, 2016, 09:03:27 AM
Don't think his head coach should have come out to say he wanted to sell him in the summer, especially when his chairman was saying the opposite.
If we are saying that our game evolves around him playing and playing well (which appears to be the suggestion over our recent performances) then we should have been building around him, not telling him he could leave.

I think, unfortunately,  because they are (generally)  the greatest assets in a football club the players do currently wield the power.

We would have built around him if he'd made it clear he wants to stay but we've seen what happens when he throws his toys out of the pram.

Throwing him in earlier may not have worked, we look at it now and go "he played a few disinterested games then sorted himself out" and think we just needed to start that earlier but there's no reason to think that would have been the case.  It's more likely it took this long to get him to the point where we could even start a vaguely disinterested player.  The fact he didn't even apologise to his team mates until the Christmas party gives you some insight into his attitude for the first half of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on March 09, 2016, 12:56:03 PM
I always felt the best way to handle this Berahino saga would have been to just keep starting him week in, week out!! No doubt his performances in the first couple starts would be a little lazy and half-hearted like he did coming on as a sub but continuing to stick with him would have quickly forced him to perform at his best as I'm sure he would not want to completely ruin any chance he might have at getting his big move in the summer. Once he realized TP wasn't going to allow him to pout on the bench and that his own lackluster performances and lack of goals would ruin any possibility of getting his dream move he would have quickly transformed into a motivated goal-scoring Berahino sooner rather than later!!

And this is exactly why we were right not to pick him...hardly sends a great message to the rest of the squad that you can throw your toys out the pram and go through the motions yet still be picked!!!

It was an almost impossible situation, not made easier by Berahino himself. He should shoulder the majority of the blame for not playing previously - act like a nob, get treated like one!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on March 10, 2016, 07:34:06 PM
Spurs 3-0 down already against Dortmund...if they want SB it's 30 million. ..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2016, 12:55:19 PM
Spurs 3-0 down already against Dortmund...if they want SB it's 30 million. ..

8 changes, they are sacrificing this comp in an effort to win the league IMO
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on March 11, 2016, 01:03:30 PM
* changes, they are sacrificing this comp in an effort to win the league IMO

Really hope this works to their benefit in their coming fixture.
The Vile are up next.
 ;).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on March 13, 2016, 02:32:40 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3490012/Saido-Berahino-needed-look-life-infamous-tweet-aimed-Jeremy-Peace-admits-Tony-Pulis-brilliant-helping-West-Bromwich-Albion.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Good piece , bit of honesty.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 13, 2016, 04:33:26 PM
8 changes, they are sacrificing this comp in an effort to win the league IMO

that's what it looked like to me too, starting Kane on the bench.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on March 13, 2016, 05:47:18 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3490012/Saido-Berahino-needed-look-life-infamous-tweet-aimed-Jeremy-Peace-admits-Tony-Pulis-brilliant-helping-West-Bromwich-Albion.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Good piece , bit of honesty.
should of been said months ago .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on March 31, 2016, 05:38:40 PM
Mirror reporting stoke will come back in for 20m with spurs still interested,

New club watching the situation... West ham
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on March 31, 2016, 06:01:34 PM
Gentlemens agreement between Levy and Peace is already in place. Pritchard was the ice breaker deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on April 01, 2016, 09:40:34 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-transfer-news-stoke-11122356?

Yes, here we go again...

Saido Berahinos future at The Hawthorns will once again be under-scrutiny with a number of teams certain to test West Brom again with big bids.

The Mirror reports today that Mark Hughes will renew Stoke’s £20million interest in the youngster after the club saw their interest turned down in January.

Now the Potters are expected to make fresh moves to land the former England Under-21 striker this summer.

Stoke, who sit eighth in the table and could yet qualify for Europe, have major spending power and 22-year-old Berahino is set to be sold this summer with just one year left on his contract.

The Potters are making it clear they will be back this summer as West Brom brace themselves for some big bids.

Champions League-bound Tottenham are also long-standing Berahino admirers and will be keen to get their man as they look to sign competition/help for their England striker Harry Kane.

Spurs and West Brom were involved in a bitter transfer saga over Berahino earlier in the season but have now made peace and a deal to take him to White Hart Lane could still happen.

West Ham are also watching developments as they look to bring in a major striker this summer before what could be a surprise Champions League campaign, and have asked to be kept informed.

The Hammers have targeted Marseille’s Michy Batshuayi and Manchester City striker Wilfried Bony and stated publicly that they want Liverpool misfit Christian Benteke , but know they need to keep their options open.


I think the above is just a rehash of the Mirror story but for what it's worth this is my view.

We will sell Berahino this summer. Pulis wants the money we won't risk going to a tribunal and another potential negative reaction from the player. The fee will probably be £20m plus but not much more and that won't go very far (see general transfer rumour thread and the report that Wednesday reportedly want £7m for Tom Lees !!).

I am not sure Spurs will return for him. Their circumstances have changed and with Champions League football  they will be able to attract of players that would not have gone to Spurs last summer. At this point Stoke or West Ham look more likely but as usual West Ham are linked with more players than 5 clubs could actually sign.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on April 01, 2016, 09:49:08 AM
I think after it came out we have an option in our favour (effectively meaning he has two years left after this year), we could still get good money for him. For both parties' sake I hope he gets moved on early in the window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 01, 2016, 10:10:48 AM
Why would he go to Stoke, he may as well stay with us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on April 01, 2016, 10:13:36 AM
I can see Spurs signing two strikers if they are in the Champions League which looks likely - Saido could still be one of those. They will have the expense of the new stadium, not to mention the cost of hanging on to their young English stars so I'm not sure they'll be shopping at the top end of the market.
Would Saido want to go to Stoke ? 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 01, 2016, 11:26:45 AM
Lets hope we get maximum coin for him and use it wisely to get a striker that wants to be here.
Hopefully Lambchop and Sicknote will be out of the door this year, so we could see a complete new strike force next year, apart from Ron of course.
Add to that two or three defenders and a couple of midfielders we should see 7 or 8 players in next season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on April 01, 2016, 12:17:42 PM
I think after it came out we have an option in our favour (effectively meaning he has two years left after this year), we could still get good money for him. For both parties' sake I hope he gets moved on early in the window.

Sorry must have missed this do you have link? If true it changes everything and other options including actually keeping him (still unlikely)open up.

Why would he go to Stoke? It is a Premier League club that isn't us and Pulis wants to sell him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 01, 2016, 12:23:59 PM
I can see Spurs signing two strikers if they are in the Champions League which looks likely - Saido could still be one of those. They will have the expense of the new stadium, not to mention the cost of hanging on to their young English stars so I'm not sure they'll be shopping at the top end of the market.
Would Saido want to go to Stoke ?


Yes, they play like Barcelona
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on April 01, 2016, 01:30:44 PM

Yes, they play like Barcelona
Not so sure....they are unlikely to be Champions league and are not a glamour club and I think Saido craves both those things.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 01, 2016, 01:41:39 PM
Just because Saido craves a top 6 / european champions league club, it dosn't mean one is going to make a bid for him. If we accept a bid from Stoke I doubt he will turn down the signing on fee, the higher wages and the chance to play at a club likely to finish above ours next season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on April 01, 2016, 02:30:19 PM
Sorry must have missed this do you have link? If true it changes everything and other options including actually keeping him (still unlikely)open up.

Why would he go to Stoke? It is a Premier League club that isn't us and Pulis wants to sell him.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10153945/saido-berahino-has-long-term-future-at-west-brom-says-tony-pulis

Specifically: "They can do nothing about it. He has got 18 months to two years left on his contract, we've got an option on that as well. He's come on and I know he has got a little bit of a dead leg but he has run around and done well for us. "
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on April 02, 2016, 08:55:00 AM
Thanks for this although the player profile on the club website says contracted to 2017 and no mention of an option and every story I have ever seen has quoted that as being his contract end date, but I would have thought Pulis knew what he was talking about. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 03, 2016, 06:58:05 PM
Thought we were going to see the best of him after the palace game, he's a tad flat
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 03, 2016, 07:17:09 PM
Thought we were going to see the best of him after the palace game, he's a tad flat

He was very poor yesterday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sted1990 on April 03, 2016, 08:23:34 PM
Strikers need service. Give the kid chances to his feet and rarely will he disappoint.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on April 03, 2016, 08:57:04 PM
Thought we were going to see the best of him after the palace game, he's a tad flat
so he's gone from fat to flat.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on April 03, 2016, 09:21:36 PM
You cant play how we do and expect strikers to score goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on April 04, 2016, 08:38:26 AM
I think Saido's looked a bit static lately , both Sandro and Rondon put in decent crosses he should have been breaking his neck to get on to against Sunderland.
I'm a Saido fan but i do feel at times the hype covers up basic things missing in his game still.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 09, 2016, 07:48:34 PM
I think his heads still elsewhere start Leko with Rondon against Watford
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on April 10, 2016, 05:23:25 PM
I can't see anybody coming in for him with  £20m+ offer the way he's playing at the moment. He'd do better for himself and us to knuckle down with us next season, re-establish his credentials and move on then.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on April 10, 2016, 06:51:38 PM
I can't see anybody coming in for him with  £20m+ offer the way he's playing at the moment. He'd do better for himself and us to knuckle down with us next season, re-establish his credentials and move on then.

Unlikely to be an option unless he signs a new contract
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on April 10, 2016, 06:53:04 PM
Unlikely to be an option unless he signs a new contract
We have a 1 year left plus a 1 year option don't we ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on April 10, 2016, 07:13:12 PM
I can't see anybody coming in for him with  £20m+ offer the way he's playing at the moment. He'd do better for himself and us to knuckle down with us next season, re-establish his credentials and move on then.
No thank you!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2016, 07:25:33 PM
I can't see anybody coming in for him with  £20m+ offer the way he's playing at the moment. He'd do better for himself and us to knuckle down with us next season, re-establish his credentials and move on then.

Will be disastrous for both us and him if he's still here next season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on April 10, 2016, 08:19:48 PM
Definitely time to move him on - best for him and us ( if we can get food money for him).

He's badly let himself down overall this season and wasted an opportunity to become a top premier league player. He will have to start again somewhere else. He had quality but also has a lot to learn .....on the pitch and seemingly off it. I can see him trading water for a few years until his late 20s when he might've grown up a bit more?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on April 10, 2016, 08:24:24 PM
We have a 1 year left plus a 1 year option don't we ?

Yes but if he stays for another year without signing a new contract then we effectively only have one year left rather than two years left, which is why he would be worth less. 

For that reason I cannot see him staying next season unless he signs a new contract this summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 10, 2016, 08:39:12 PM
Definitely time to move him on - best for him and us ( if we can get food money for him).

He's badly let himself down overall this season and wasted an opportunity to become a top premier league player. He will have to start again somewhere else. He had quality but also has a lot to learn .....on the pitch and seemingly off it. I can see him trading water for a few years until his late 20s when he might've grown up a bit more?

I agree, I think in terms of talent he's similar to Andy Carroll, great when he can be bothered but too inconsistent to be a real star due to attitude. Nonetheless, he's clearly a good Premier League striker which means we'll get some good money for him.

Unlike last year, we haven't been as reliant on him. He's still got some important goals and flashes of quality but we've slowly moved on from him which is good for next season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 11, 2016, 09:05:20 AM
We have a 1 year left plus a 1 year option don't we ?

When he signed his new contract the details made public at the time were that it would last until the summer of 2017 with no mention of an option at all. Tony Pulis in a Sky interview is the only one I've seen mention that we have a year option on him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on April 11, 2016, 12:50:26 PM
He is a forward who can make goals for himself & others who has ruined a great start to his pro career by what has happened to his head this season if or when he fills his full potential the football world could/would be his oyster. :-\ ::) ???
I would rather have him playing for us than against us but only if he signed a new contract with us before the start of the season 
F--king spurs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on April 11, 2016, 12:56:54 PM
Definitely time to move him on - best for him and us ( if we can get food money for him).

He's badly let himself down overall this season and wasted an opportunity to become a top premier league player. He will have to start again somewhere else. He had quality but also has a lot to learn .....on the pitch and seemingly off it. I can see him trading water for a few years until his late 20s when he might've grown up a bit more?

Do the squad need beefing up then?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on April 11, 2016, 01:10:29 PM
Am I the only one who thinks maybe he isn't actually all that good? I think he's a very good player but we are about his level... A mid to lower prem team, he misses an awful lot of chances that a player of his supposed talent should be putting away. If he wasn't English what would his value be? 8 million? 10 perhaps?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on April 11, 2016, 01:15:33 PM
Am I the only one who thinks maybe he isn't actually all that good? I think he's a very good player but we are about his level... A mid to lower prem team, he misses an awful lot of chances that a player of his supposed talent should be putting away. If he wasn't English what would his value be? 8 million? 10 perhaps?

Your opinion is as good as mine or anybody else.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on April 11, 2016, 01:31:28 PM
Would imagine it would be around 10 million if he wasnt english.

Your right in what your saying though, I cant see many clubs looking to pay our valuation for him unless its staggered in a realistic way.

Cant also see many 'big' clubs eyeing him up, with Spurs finishing 2nd they might set the stall a little higher for someone to push/partner Kane, and with Newcastle looking likely to face the drop thats another suitor gone.

Only way I could see someone paying sill money is if for example, Lukaku goes for silly money from Everton and it starts a striker merry go round.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 11, 2016, 02:39:02 PM
Am I the only one who thinks maybe he isn't actually all that good? I think he's a very good player but we are about his level... A mid to lower prem team, he misses an awful lot of chances that a player of his supposed talent should be putting away. If he wasn't English what would his value be? 8 million? 10 perhaps?

Not at all, on his day which hasn't been that often this season he good.
His head was turned last Summer and we have had to put up with the fall out this year.
I hope the club ask him if he wants to stay or go at the end of the season, then move him on or work with him.
Knowing the way the footballing world works I can see us being left out on a limb again up the the close of the transfer window in August because I'd be very surprised if anybody met the suggested value of £25m after his antics this year.
Personally I'd play Leko for the remaining games to get him a bit of experience and led Saido get on with what he does best.
Sulking
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on April 11, 2016, 02:49:05 PM
Am I the only one who thinks maybe he isn't actually all that good? I think he's a very good player but we are about his level... A mid to lower prem team, he misses an awful lot of chances that a player of his supposed talent should be putting away. If he wasn't English what would his value be? 8 million? 10 perhaps?

Shhhhh don't let anyone know  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on April 11, 2016, 03:20:51 PM
A striker with any sort of scoring record in the Premier League is like gold dust, add in that he is home grown (which may or may not be useful) and he has young therefore with potential sell on value drives up the price. Players with good goal scoring records in the Championship are going for around £10m so it is not a huge stretch to get to £20m. Although I agree this season has done nothing to enhance his reputation nor increase his value.

With regard to suitors Newcastle are likely to out of the picture but I don't think Spurs have gone away and they seem to have been joined by Stoke. However as an earlier poster noted there are bound to be moves during the window and who knows where that might take him.

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 11, 2016, 04:31:33 PM
Am I the only one who thinks maybe he isn't actually all that good? I think he's a very good player but we are about his level... A mid to lower prem team, he misses an awful lot of chances that a player of his supposed talent should be putting away. If he wasn't English what would his value be? 8 million? 10 perhaps?

This season he has done himself no favours at all.
He needs another season to get himself back to where he once was.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on April 11, 2016, 07:17:12 PM
He needs to go in the Summer, I wouldn't want a repeat of this season with him in a strop if he doesn't get a move so it's best all round if he goes.

I think Spurs have first refusal, but whether we get the 20 million is debatable.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 11, 2016, 09:33:54 PM
I think there is or a least was a superb player in there. He's got a dreadful attitude, 2 years ago he was the England u-21's best player, miles ahead of Kane, look at them now.

On reflection I don't think we'll ever see the best of Saido in an Albion shirt again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on April 12, 2016, 01:07:11 PM
I think there is or a least was a superb player in there. He's got a dreadful attitude, 2 years ago he was the England u-21's best player, miles ahead of Kane, look at them now.

On reflection I don't think we'll ever see the best of Saido in an Albion shirt again.

I totally agree. It doesn't help with him being played out of position either. He needs to move on for everyone's sake. Spent wisely we could get 2 quality players in for the money we are likely to get for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 12, 2016, 01:27:01 PM
lets hope hes not a bad influence on Leko
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on April 13, 2016, 12:04:22 AM
we kept him...only to then discover hes  ordinary at best...another half a season like that and the penny will drop that he was just a 20 game flash in the pan and we will be lucky to get 6 mio for him - irony is, if he had of gone to spurs everyone would be now looking at our low goals scored and saying "if we'd only kept saido".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on April 13, 2016, 04:20:39 PM
Am I the only one who thinks maybe he isn't actually all that good? I think he's a very good player but we are about his level... A mid to lower prem team, he misses an awful lot of chances that a player of his supposed talent should be putting away. If he wasn't English what would his value be? 8 million? 10 perhaps?
No mate i think that aswell, he is miles behind Kane, Vardy Andy Carroll and even Danny Ings who as been injured for most of the season!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 13, 2016, 04:39:52 PM
I keep seeing transfer gossip (mostly on BBC text) linking Spurs with lots of  strikers...Dembele from Rennes and Mandzukic from Juventus mainly....maybe Berahino has shot himself in the foot with his antics and Spurs are looking elsewhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 14, 2016, 08:09:14 AM
watch him go in the right team
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on April 14, 2016, 10:45:22 AM
I keep seeing transfer gossip (mostly on BBC text) linking Spurs with lots of  strikers...Dembele from Rennes and Mandzukic from Juventus mainly....maybe Berahino has shot himself in the foot with his antics and Spurs are looking elsewhere.

I think there is every chance but equally it doesn't hurt Spurs to be linked with various strikers as it reminds us that Saido isn't a unique talent but the fact he has scored goals in this division and the others although very good players haven't and that weighs heavily with them.  They also know they can play him with Kane
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on April 14, 2016, 11:07:02 AM
No mate i think that aswell, he is miles behind Kane, Vardy Andy Carroll and even Danny Ings who as been injured for most of the season!!

I thought I was the only one who thought that. If we can still get 20 million in the summer I would rip someones hand off
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on April 14, 2016, 01:33:25 PM
We have to remember that other teams will appreciate he has been playing under Pullia, who has done ajob at keeping us up but it hasnt exactly been a pleasure to watch / attacking football. He is likely to thrive in a team with attacking tendencies, with the bonus that he has developed a tracking back / hardworking edge to his game which will be useful for whoever takes him for their more challenging fixutres. Hardly any strikers flourish under Pullis - Rondon will be as good as it gets next season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on April 14, 2016, 03:13:04 PM
He's more a Danny Ings than a Harry Kane probably in terms of goalscoring? A good premier league striker who can regularly score 15+ a season provided he has the right service and his attitude is better. I don't think he'll ever be England material other than a peripheral player at best (a la Defoe)?

All of that is still worth at least £20m in today's money, maybe £30m for someone his age?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2016, 08:21:52 PM
He's more a Danny Ings than a Harry Kane probably in terms of goalscoring? A good premier league striker who can regularly score 15+ a season provided he has the right service and his attitude is better. I don't think he'll ever be England material other than a peripheral player at best (a la Defoe)?

All of that is still worth at least £20m in today's money, maybe £30m for someone his age?

I'd take Defoe if Sunderland went down though!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on April 15, 2016, 03:59:42 AM
3 years too late for Defoe - you'll be hoping for a Kevin Phillips but you'd get an Anelka
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on April 15, 2016, 07:52:12 AM
3 years too late for Defoe - you'll be hoping for a Kevin Phillips but you'd get an Anelka

Based on what evidence? 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 15, 2016, 08:00:22 AM
I'd take Defoe if Sunderland went down though!

Way past his best.

I seriously think our club has shares in a birthday cake candle manufacturers! ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 15, 2016, 09:02:49 AM
3 years too late for Defoe - you'll be hoping for a Kevin Phillips but you'd get an Anelka

 He's still a decent player; 19 goals in 48 games for Sunderland in all comps, but too old. I'd prefer us to get some young, pacey attacking players in who we might have for 4 or 5 seasons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 15, 2016, 12:51:40 PM
We've already got the oldest squad in the league, adding Defoe to that will only increase the average age, bearing in mind we've given new deals to McAuley and Olsson
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on April 16, 2016, 04:48:21 PM
We'll be lucky to get 10m for him. Our best hope is keeping him and hoping he learns to score again. His finishing has just gone completely, aside from his Palace goal he hasn't really done anything for the others. So many easy chances missed. And without his finishing he's not really left with much.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on April 16, 2016, 04:53:20 PM
Why are we playing him, he won't be here next season so he shouldn't be in the team
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on April 16, 2016, 05:12:51 PM
Looks like a passenger at the moment, doesn't beat people, doesn't create and doesn't score. I'd rather start Sess at 10 and try Leko out wide.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on April 16, 2016, 05:13:43 PM
Looks like a passenger at the moment, doesn't beat people, doesn't create and doesn't score. I'd rather start Sess at 10 and try Leko out wide.....

I'd rather scrub my cock with wire wool than watch him play again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on April 16, 2016, 05:16:15 PM
I'd rather scrub my cock with wire wool than watch him play again.

PSML, thanks for that image  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on April 16, 2016, 05:24:03 PM
Very poor today Leko from now on although that will devalue him ,should have sold him last summer cant get 10 mill now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on April 16, 2016, 05:25:07 PM
PSML, thanks for that image  :o

Count yourself lucky I can't attach images  :P

But seriously, I would.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on April 16, 2016, 05:34:30 PM
SB has now almost certainly guarenteed he will here next season. Noone will pay what JP will demand now surely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Blowee on April 16, 2016, 05:34:51 PM
It will be a struggle to sell him now. He's not going to get a look in at a bigger team. One season wonder who got too big for his boots.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on April 16, 2016, 06:06:48 PM
It will be a struggle to sell him now. He's not going to get a look in at a bigger team. One season wonder who got too big for his boots.

I don't care what we get for him, he has been a liability all season. Just get rid!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 16, 2016, 06:20:33 PM
I hope we have some kind of written agreement with Spurs, otherwise we're stuck.

Last summer the names such as Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal were all linked, the Spurs connection was real and genuine.

Then in January it was Newcastle and Stoke.

I think that says an awful lot. If he doesn't score by the final day then I doubt even Stoke would want him. I don't think I've ever seen an Albion players value drop so rapidly in that sense. The scary thing is however, that lately he looks to be genuinely trying, and there's no laziness. So I fear he's lost his touch and we won't get any buyers for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adamstv on April 16, 2016, 06:24:05 PM
I do not want to see him in an Albion shirt again. Has done absolutely nothing for some time now and after missing the first penalty and Gardner taking the ball for the second penalty Mr Selfish takes it off him and proceeds to f### it up a second time.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 06:47:27 PM
I do not want to see him in an Albion shirt again. Has done absolutely nothing for some time now and after missing the first penalty and Gardner taking the ball for the second penalty Mr Selfish takes it off him and proceeds to f### it up a second time.

At the time I was glad he took it off Gardner, hindsight is wonderful. I believe he will take the next one if he's on the pitch too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 16, 2016, 08:27:04 PM
He is another Luke Moore the way he is going.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on April 16, 2016, 08:31:05 PM
At the time I was glad he took it off Gardner, hindsight is wonderful. I believe he will take the next one if he's on the pitch too.

Fair play to him for trying the second one, his confidence is shot mostly through his own stupidity this season in not playing as much as he should've although he doesn't exactly have players around him creating chances and bombing forward.....!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on April 16, 2016, 08:38:18 PM
Why are so many people slating his attitude for missing the penalties? Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: palmaroy on April 16, 2016, 08:40:33 PM
He is another Luke Moore the way he is going.
i reckon Luke More is slightly better
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on April 16, 2016, 08:42:55 PM
LOL good old west brom 'fans' ay.

you'll all be licking his frigging backside when he scores a winner for us again like the majority were after the whole transfer saga then he got himself back in the squad and scored. LOL

JOKE MANAGER, JOKE PLAYERS, JOKE FANS.

The way some of you know he's not going to be here next season or know what we will and wont get for him if he does go... why are you on this forum and not managers yourself? idiots.

Cant wait til he does go because we will have nobody to score goals cause ther all useless and end up following the villa... but with shitter fans than them (afterall, they do SUPPORT there club and players - or atleast the majority do).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 16, 2016, 08:44:28 PM
i reckon Luke More is slightly better
I was talking earlier to someone who had been chatting to Cyril......the comparison with the two aforementioned was immense! :-[ 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 16, 2016, 08:44:32 PM
Saido Berahino became only the fourth player to miss two penalties in a single Premier League match
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 16, 2016, 08:46:29 PM
LOL good old west brom 'fans' ay.

you'll all be licking his frigging backside when he scores a winner for us again like the majority were after the whole transfer saga then he got himself back in the squad and scored. LOL

JOKE MANAGER, JOKE PLAYERS, JOKE FANS.

The way some of you know he's not going to be here next season or know what we will and wont get for him if he does go... why are you on this forum and not managers yourself? idiots.

Cant wait til he does go because we will have nobody to score goals cause ther all useless and end up following the villa... but with shitter fans than them (afterall, they do SUPPORT there club and players - or atleast the majority do).
Oh dear.
Don't be late for school on Monday you obviously have some catching up to do!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on April 16, 2016, 08:48:07 PM
Oh dear.
Don't be late for school on Monday you obviously have some catching up to do!

Meaning what exactly? lets not beat around the bush
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on April 16, 2016, 09:01:04 PM
He was very cack today and has been pretty much so since his 'comeback'
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 16, 2016, 09:14:11 PM
Meaning what exactly? lets not beat around the bush
Indeed I need to cut the old bush out and re-plant. On topic I think Bero needs to pull his socks up! In my day missing 2 pen's would have ment getting the cane!! In his he is just not up to replacing the Kane  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on April 16, 2016, 09:26:30 PM
LOL good old west brom 'fans' ay.

you'll all be licking his frigging backside when he scores a winner for us again like the majority were after the whole transfer saga then he got himself back in the squad and scored. LOL

JOKE MANAGER, JOKE PLAYERS, JOKE FANS.

The way some of you know he's not going to be here next season or know what we will and wont get for him if he does go... why are you on this forum and not managers yourself? idiots.

Cant wait til he does go because we will have nobody to score goals cause ther all useless and end up following the villa... but with shitter fans than them (afterall, they do SUPPORT there club and players - or atleast the majority do).
didn't you call all the players a bag of shyte in the after match debate?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on April 16, 2016, 09:33:14 PM
didn't you call all the players a bag of shyte in the after match debate?

yes, i did.. i agree saido and everyone else PLAYED like a bag of pooh TODAY... that still dont take away having the balls to step up and take a peno straight after missing one

i couldnt care if he stays or goes, hes a natural goal scorer, yes he had a really bad game today but that dont take away his talent what some are trying to ignore
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on April 16, 2016, 09:39:59 PM
yes, i did.. i agree saido and everyone else PLAYED like a bag of pooh TODAY... that still dont take away having the balls to step up and take a peno straight after missing one

i couldnt care if he stays or goes, hes a natural goal scorer, yes he had a really bad game today but that dont take away his talent what some are trying to ignore
fair enough mate but there's no need to call fellow supporters IDIOTS, just a difference of opinion right or wrong.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on April 16, 2016, 09:50:28 PM
fair enough mate but there's no need to call fellow supporters IDIOTS, just a difference of opinion right or wrong.

Supporters dont constantly slate certain players regardless if they play good or bad
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 16, 2016, 09:52:30 PM
Cut the childish stuff or start seeing posts removed, this is Westbrom.com not Facebook.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on April 16, 2016, 09:59:54 PM
Saido said in the summer that he would never play for the chairman again
He may well be back on the pitch but he has certainly kept his promise
Either he is not trying or he truly is not as good as he thinks he is
We should have taken the 23 million from Newcastle because we will be lucky to get 5 million now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on April 16, 2016, 10:06:47 PM
Saido said in the summer that he would never play for the chairman again
He may well be back on the pitch but he has certainly kept his promise
Either he is not trying or he truly is not as good as he thinks he is
We should have taken the 23 million from Newcastle because we will be lucky to get 5 million now
but we know he's much better than what we are seeing now because we've seen it last season, based on the last 6/7 matches I think he's lucky to get a place in the team. he plays like a player who knows he's off at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 16, 2016, 10:11:18 PM
Saido said in the summer that he would never play for the chairman again
He may well be back on the pitch but he has certainly kept his promise
Either he is not trying or he truly is not as good as he thinks he is
We should have taken the 23 million from Newcastle because we will be lucky to get 5 million now
No he didn't , he said "I'm not playing your game"
He will still fetch top dollar, name someone his age with his prem goals for less than 25 mill?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on April 16, 2016, 10:24:35 PM
No he didn't , he said "I'm not playing your game"
He will still fetch top dollar, name someone his age with his prem goals for less than 25 mill?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saido_Berahino
Read 15/16 season regarding his comments towards the chairman
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 16, 2016, 10:28:43 PM
Berahino progression (and value) has gone backwards under Pulis. Undoubtedly that is partly down to his own behaviour and initially I thought Pulis was bringing more to his game with his requirement to track back but, like attacking in general, it doesn't work under Pulis. I still think another Premier League club will take a punt on him and in a different environment he may thrive again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies_24 on April 16, 2016, 10:45:15 PM
He's in a slump at the moment all strikers go through one and he's not as bad as he was today (considering he's never missed a penalty for us until today).

Saying that iv always said the only thing he has to his game is scoring goals, sounds silly but he offers absolutely bugger all to the team in terms of anything else (even when he was considered a 25 million pound player), his hold up play is terrible, couldn't pass wind and often goes through games doing absolutely naff all before popping up with a goal whilst been wildly inconsistent. I don't think playing under Pulis is doing him much good but you'd certainly have to say he's well behind the likes of Kane, Rashford, Sturridge, Defoe, Vardy in terms of been a premiership player. I think turning down £21 million for him will turn out to be an awfull mistake as he will turn out to be a pretty mediocre premiership player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2016, 10:46:05 PM
Berahino progression (and value) has gone backwards under Pulis. Undoubtedly that is partly down to his own behaviour and initially I thought Pulis was bringing more to his game with his requirement to track back but, like attacking in general, it doesn't work under Pulis. I still think another Premier League club will take a punt on him and in a different environment he may thrive again.

His best run of goalscoring was under Pulis 2nd half of last season...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on April 16, 2016, 10:46:49 PM
Like so many of our players, Pulis doesnt play Berahino in his position. He is a striker, not a midfielder
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on April 16, 2016, 11:56:15 PM
Not defending him but their goalkeeper was off the line for both. Why are the officials so inconsistent on something easy to administer by having a linesman on the line?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 17, 2016, 08:36:45 AM
His best run of goalscoring was under Pulis 2nd half of last season...
To be fair I was giving Pulis some credit but now you question it, he scored 7 Premier League goals in the first 19 games under Irvine, 1 in the West Ham game which is debatable whether Pulis is responsible for and then 6 Premier League goals in the remaining 18 games. I'd say that is pretty similar but I suppose you want to count his goals against Gateshead  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on April 17, 2016, 09:13:00 AM
Pulis and Fletcher yesterday should of taken the responsibility off  Saido for the second penalty but both seemed to buckle however I maintain my stance other than Gardner (who was the nearest to the ball when the referee gave the penalty) stood up and offered to take it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 17, 2016, 09:13:25 AM
To be fair I was giving Pulis some credit but now you question it, he scored 7 Premier League goals in the first 19 games under Irvine, 1 in the West Ham game which is debatable whether Pulis is responsible for and then 6 Premier League goals in the remaining 18 games. I'd say that is pretty similar but I suppose you want to count his goals against Gateshead  ::)

Don't they count?  I must've missed us progressing to the next round.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on April 17, 2016, 09:19:05 AM
Pulis and Fletcher yesterday should of taken the responsibility off  Saido for the second penalty but both seemed to buckle however I maintain my stance other than Gardner (who was the nearest to the ball when the referee gave the penalty) stood up and offered to take it.

Hindsight is wonderful isn't it? Had Saido scored the second penalty we would all be saying fair play for having the bottle to step up again and rescue a point.

What if Fletcher had stepped in, given the ball to Gardner and he'd missed? Who are we blaming then?

Penalties are a lottery, the first one was poorly struck and the second was a fantastic save in my opinion - but if Gomes dives the wrong way they both go in. Luck of the draw.

I was much more frustrated with the general performance from one of the most boring, one dimensional, technically inept teams I've ever seen at this level than I was at the penalties.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 17, 2016, 09:26:50 AM
Berahino has had one good season and one bad season, I don't know what we've got on our hands to be honest, maybe a one season wonder.
Whatever his future hold I hope its not here, whatever anyone says he did say that he would not play for JP again.
So far he's kept his word.
As far as a replacement we could have Kane and Vardy as our two up front but with the quality of our crosses and creativity I doubt if they could fashion up any more goals than we have this season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on April 17, 2016, 09:40:10 AM
Have to blame coach for not getting the best out of saido, even his antics at start of season should have been dealt better. Club should of fined him and drew a line under it and coach has to keep him fit for season a head or get rid of strength and conditioning coaches who with the weight he's carrying around haven't done their jobs. This is after all our main asset.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mo on April 17, 2016, 09:47:29 AM
Have to blame coach for not getting the best out of saido, even his antics at start of season should have been dealt better. Club should of fined him and drew a line under it and coach has to keep him fit for season a head or get rid of strength and conditioning coaches who with the weight he's carrying around haven't done their jobs. This is after all our main asset.

Some of it is down to personal accountability. We aren't in possession of all the facts but Im 42 with a full time job , a wife , daughter , and dog to look after but still manage to look after myself so why can't a guy who is paid for the privilege take the time to sort himself out .

I said on the way home last night there might have been a few private chuckles amongst themselves in the changing room after the game .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 17, 2016, 12:58:30 PM
Hindsight is wonderful isn't it? Had Saido scored the second penalty we would all be saying fair play for having the bottle to step up again and rescue a point.

What if Fletcher had stepped in, given the ball to Gardner and he'd missed? Who are we blaming then?

Penalties are a lottery, the first one was poorly struck and the second was a fantastic save in my opinion - but if Gomes dives the wrong way they both go in. Luck of the draw.

I was much more frustrated with the general performance from one of the most boring, one dimensional, technically inept teams I've ever seen at this level than I was at the penalties.

I'm not going to criticise him for taking it, showed some balls to have a go, wouldn't have a problem with him taking the next one we get either, even the Superstar Messi  misses a few.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 17, 2016, 01:05:37 PM
Have to blame coach for not getting the best out of saido, even his antics at start of season should have been dealt better. Club should of fined him and drew a line under it and coach has to keep him fit for season a head or get rid of strength and conditioning coaches who with the weight he's carrying around haven't done their jobs. This is after all our main asset.
There's only so much coaches can do - if you offer him a good diet, do the right training etc then he goes off on a friday and gets drunk, then what is the club meant to do?

Remember, this is a player who has fell out with various coaches before and has a history of bad behaviour under various managers/coaches so it's more to do with him as an individual rather than the handling done by the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 17, 2016, 01:09:00 PM
He should never have taken the ball from Gardner. Gardner takes a cracking penalty and team is far more important than that odious little pooh looking to grab the headlines.

Not sure why we continue to play him when he has been dreadful since his 'reintegration' into the side. No one will sign him in the summer as we will want £20m for him and he is worth around £5m.

Still fuming that we didn't get rid of him in January. The lad is a busted flush and his attitude absolutely stinks, the team would be far better without him. All the things i said in January and continue to be proven right about.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 17, 2016, 01:12:40 PM
Billy big. Boots like Lewis Hamilton , get rid Asap
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 17, 2016, 04:03:43 PM
Never looked comfortable taking either penalty which was very strange for someone so calm usually in those situations.

He looks and plays as someone who doesn't want to be here. His dawdling about is becoming annoying and all those traits which made him such a superb striker last season are deserting him.

Personally, it will be better for everyone when he buggers off but there will be very little chance of us getting north of £20million for him in my view. We'll be lucky to scrape up to £20mil!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on April 17, 2016, 04:17:46 PM
I reckon we will be lucky to get 12m now,the more he plays the more his value seems to drop ,worst forward in the air ever,he cant beat a man either
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 17, 2016, 07:42:05 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saido_Berahino
Read 15/16 season regarding his comments towards the chairman
Only if you confirm that Wikipedia can't be tampered with?, didn't we sign messi on there before?
You won't find evidence of what you say he said.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on April 17, 2016, 07:52:49 PM
Saido said " sad I can't say exactly how the club has treated me but i can officially say I will never play Jeremy Peace" ... And credit to him he's stuck to his words.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on April 17, 2016, 08:52:28 PM
Hindsight is wonderful isn't it? Had Saido scored the second penalty we would all be saying fair play for having the bottle to step up again and rescue a point.

What if Fletcher had stepped in, given the ball to Gardner and he'd missed? Who are we blaming then?

Penalties are a lottery, the first one was poorly struck and the second was a fantastic save in my opinion - but if Gomes dives the wrong way they both go in. Luck of the draw.

I was much more frustrated with the general performance from one of the most boring, one dimensional, technically inept teams I've ever seen at this level than I was at the penalties.

Its not about hindsight its actually part of the managers and captains job as the games progresses Saidos body language and instinct were poor throughout.  If he hadnt of let Saido take it and Gardner had missed then id say there wouldnt be as many asking why Saido wasnt allowed to take a second one as those asking why Gardner hadnt taken the second.  My biggest point proberbly wasnt shown in my previous post as I missed a word out, its the fact only Saido and Gardner stood up the plate to take that second penalty which I agree was a fantastic save.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 17, 2016, 09:49:30 PM
Its not about hindsight its actually part of the managers and captains job as the games progresses Saidos body language and instinct were poor throughout.  If he hadnt of let Saido take it and Gardner had missed then id say there wouldnt be as many asking why Saido wasnt allowed to take a second one as those asking why Gardner hadnt taken the second.  My biggest point proberbly wasnt shown in my previous post as I missed a word out, its the fact only Saido and Gardner stood up the plate to take that second penalty which I agree was a fantastic save.
Is this the first pen Saido has missed? (I know he took 2) Up to now he has done well with them?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Peachofacross on April 18, 2016, 07:56:21 AM
Its not about hindsight its actually part of the managers and captains job as the games progresses Saidos body language and instinct were poor throughout.  If he hadnt of let Saido take it and Gardner had missed then id say there wouldnt be as many asking why Saido wasnt allowed to take a second one as those asking why Gardner hadnt taken the second.  My biggest point proberbly wasnt shown in my previous post as I missed a word out, its the fact only Saido and Gardner stood up the plate to take that second penalty which I agree was a fantastic save.

The second was a great save but in hindsight it should have gone to Gardner. There was more pressure on that second penalty for Saido because of the first miss. The mind games were evident and it needn't have been an issue. Letting Gardner take it IMO would have given us a better chance of scoring. Also Gardner tends to go high and hard which, if on target, are always much harder to save. All Saido's are low penalties.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on April 18, 2016, 08:58:21 AM
The second was a great save but in hindsight it should have gone to Gardner. There was more pressure on that second penalty for Saido because of the first miss. The mind games were evident and it needn't have been an issue. Letting Gardner take it IMO would have given us a better chance of scoring. Also Gardner tends to go high and hard which, if on target, are always much harder to save. All Saido's are low penalties.

Saido is inexperienced. He's just learnt a valuable lesson. If that happened again, he'd probably smack the second penalty low and as hard as he could. I don't think we can crucify him for it - he just had a very bad day!

I was at the Hawthorns (I think the season we went down) after missing two pens in one game v Port Vale when we drew 1-1 (one was Don Goodman I think, can't recall the other 'misser'). At least Saturday wasn't important in order for us to stay up.

Saido needs a change of scenery as much as we need to make some money off him and reinvest in maybe two attacking players who can add something to the first team.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 18, 2016, 09:47:03 AM
Saido is inexperienced. He's just learnt a valuable lesson. If that happened again, he'd probably smack the second penalty low and as hard as he could. I don't think we can crucify him for it - he just had a very bad day!

I was at the Hawthorns (I think the season we went down) after missing two pens in one game v Port Vale when we drew 1-1 (one was Don Goodman I think, can't recall the other 'misser'). At least Saturday wasn't important in order for us to stay up.

Saido needs a change of scenery as much as we need to make some money off him and reinvest in maybe two attacking players who can add something to the first team.

I shudder to think what the next excuse for him will be.
He's almost 23, he's been involved with a professional football club since he was 11 years old.
He's been involved in the England set up from U16 to Full squad how much more experience does he need to be able to put the ball away, against a keeper on his line, from 12 yards.
No good blaming Pulis we had two gilt edged chances to come away with 3 points on Saturday and we blew it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on April 18, 2016, 11:11:14 AM
I shudder to think what the next excuse for him will be.
He's almost 23, he's been involved with a professional football club since he was 11 years old.
He's been involved in the England set up from U16 to Full squad how much more experience does he need to be able to put the ball away, against a keeper on his line, from 12 yards.
No good blaming Pulis we had two gilt edged chances to come away with 3 points on Saturday and we blew it

He's never been in the situation of taking a second penalty in a premier league game after having missed the first. So he was inexperienced. It was for the older heads (Fletcher, Gardner) to grab him and no - someone else will have the second one. They play as a team .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on April 18, 2016, 12:59:35 PM
He's never been in the situation of taking a second penalty in a premier league game after having missed the first. So he was inexperienced. It was for the older heads (Fletcher, Gardner) to grab him and no - someone else will have the second one. They play as a team .

By your logic if a striker has never scored a hat trick but has scored 2 in a game and has a chance for a third you would expect him to miss it ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on April 18, 2016, 01:25:05 PM
He should never have taken the ball from Gardner. Gardner takes a cracking penalty and team is far more important than that odious little pooh looking to grab the headlines.

Not sure why we continue to play him when he has been dreadful since his 'reintegration' into the side. No one will sign him in the summer as we will want £20m for him and he is worth around £5m.

Still fuming that we didn't get rid of him in January. The lad is a busted flush and his attitude absolutely stinks, the team would be far better without him. All the things i said in January and continue to be proven right about.

I couldn't agree more with that, he should be nowhere near the team. He couldn't give a toss about our great club and he has been a unwelcome distraction all of this season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 18, 2016, 01:39:52 PM
I agree too. The penalty arrogance is just around straw number 65 in his antics for the last few years.

The drink driving, the laughing gas, the instagram antics, the twitter meltdown, the lack of effort to get himself fit back in the team, lack of effort to try in games he has played, lack of respect for his team mates, the fans and don't forget the company that pays him more in a week than most of us earn in a year in a contract he happily signed not very long ago.

All in all  he sums up everything wrong with a modern day footballer.
The club are not responsible for his actions or not 'getting the best out of him' or him 'being inexperienced'

Hes a 22 year old fully grown adult he's not 12. The only person who is responsible is Saido Berahino himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on April 18, 2016, 01:40:44 PM
the similarity to Luke Moore is stark, I remember going to pre-season game at Histon Town,
Luke took 2 pens and scored ............  you got it, zero.

Its quite possible that Luke Moore will have a more successful career than Saido the way SB is regressing at the moment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on April 18, 2016, 01:43:37 PM
the similarity to Luke Moore is stark, I remember going to pre-season game at Histon Town,
Luke took 2 pens and scored ............  you got it, zero.

Its quite possible that Luke Moore will have a more successful career than Saido the way SB is regressing at the moment.
I know it's a little off topic but didn't Simon Cox take one of the pens?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 18, 2016, 01:55:42 PM
There's a great solution here, re-sign the legendary Igor Balis!

Best penalty you'll ever see in my view.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 18, 2016, 01:57:59 PM
never been so bored with a thread before. i hear you cry dont look at it then :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on April 18, 2016, 02:01:21 PM
never been so bored with a thread before. i hear you cry dont look at it then :)

People love to slate the guy. You could feel most of the stadium on Saturday silently praying for him to miss again so they could shout more bile at him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 18, 2016, 02:29:28 PM
People love to slate the guy. You could feel most of the stadium on Saturday silently praying for him to miss again so they could shout more bile at him.

What nonsense.
I can't stand the little git but if, after he'd missed those two penalties, he'd have shinned one in and another came off the corner of his head I think we'd have all been happy.
The fact is the kids got a very high opinion of himself and believes he's above criticism.
It's not only here where he's had run ins ask Pertboro and and Brentford.
I'm open minded but when reports come in of problems else where you need to ask where the problem is. Is it Berahino or everyone else?
He needs to stand in front of a mirror and have a word with himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on April 18, 2016, 02:36:30 PM
By your logic if a striker has never scored a hat trick but has scored 2 in a game and has a chance for a third you would expect him to miss it ?

Sorry I don't follow 'my' logic? Not the first or last time mind ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 18, 2016, 06:13:42 PM
From the Sun........
Stoke manager Mark Hughes has hinted Tottenham are in front of the Potters in the race to sign West Brom striker Saido Berahino.

Edit...
From the Telegraph.....
Stoke are ready to rival Tottenham in £20m chase for West Brom striker Saido Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 18, 2016, 06:46:42 PM
From the Sun........
Stoke manager Mark Hughes has hinted Tottenham are in front of the Potters in the race to sign West Brom striker Saido Berahino.

Edit...
From the Telegraph.....
Stoke are ready to rival Tottenham in £20m chase for West Brom striker Saido Berahino.
"Nottingham Pork Butchers"Would be ideal...Mr Clough. 8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on April 18, 2016, 06:48:57 PM
From the Sun........
Stoke manager Mark Hughes has hinted Tottenham are in front of the Potters in the race to sign West Brom striker Saido Berahino.

Edit...
From the Telegraph.....
Stoke are ready to rival Tottenham in £20m chase for West Brom striker Saido Berahino.
I still don't get what people see in him to want to pay £20 million + ....you can see why chairmen and owners get fed up with jumped up managers throwing their money away on overpriced average players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BRIAN on April 18, 2016, 06:56:15 PM
If Pulis "talks badly" about Berahino his value will decrease. Hopefully no team who are interested in buying him read this forum. Get off his back. He will only be here-hopefully- for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on April 18, 2016, 07:51:57 PM
Why is Mark Hughes talking about our player,shows disrespect you our club,no matter what you think of Bera.
If he did go to Stoke his career would dive-bomb.
It's not certain that he will leave is it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on April 18, 2016, 09:59:50 PM
Looks like a different player to the one that burst onto the scene a couple of seasons back no great endorsement for pulis and his coaching skills or man management.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 19, 2016, 06:17:06 AM
Looks like a different player to the one that burst onto the scene a couple of seasons back no great endorsement for pulis and his coaching skills or man management.

or for the player himself!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 19, 2016, 07:28:35 AM
Looks like a different player to the one that burst onto the scene a couple of seasons back no great endorsement for pulis and his coaching skills or man management.

I'm amazed that the fall from grace of Berahino is being blamed on the management/coaching staff but I suppose its just any old excuse to have a pop at them as it seems to be the popular thing to do these days.

He's got absolutely no one to blame but himself in my opinion. Saido was the only one that allowed his head to be turned and reacted very badly when he didn't get his big move and he was the only one that let his fitness levels drop dramatically in the fallout from that costing himself nearly a season of development.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 19, 2016, 09:07:25 AM
Why is Mark Hughes talking about our player,shows disrespect you our club,no matter what you think of Bera.
If he did go to Stoke his career would dive-bomb.
It's not certain that he will leave is it.

His career is already dive-bombing at our club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 19, 2016, 09:15:56 AM
His career is already dive-bombing at our club

He'll find it difficult to get his career back on track without a fresh start somewhere else, I personally don't think he will go on to realise his full potential regardless of where he ends up now.

He had his breakthrough season where he did well getting in the England squad, he followed that up with some great performances the following season. This season should have seen him building on those two seasons but he's regressed and its mainly all his own doing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on April 19, 2016, 09:25:53 AM
I'm amazed that the fall from grace of Berahino is being blamed on the management/coaching staff but I suppose its just any old excuse to have a pop at them as it seems to be the popular thing to do these days.

He's got absolutely no one to blame but himself in my opinion. Saido was the only one that allowed his head to be turned and reacted very badly when he didn't get his big move and he was the only one that let his fitness levels drop dramatically in the fallout from that costing himself nearly a season of development.

Saido is responsible for his current situation where his star is rapidly fading to the point he might not get the move he  wants. During the first half of the season there was a chicken and egg situation where he wasn't match fit but wasn't getting playing time so couldn't get match fit.

Equally fitness is always TP's response when asked about a player he's not playing they aren't match fit, up to speed etc... It's a line that has been trotted out for McManaman Gnabry,Pritchard, Berahino and Chester at various times, now it might be true but I think it is TP's stock response to the question because if the player isn't fit it is reasonable not to play them it closes the discussion down.

However now that Berahino is getting a run of games there is no excuse for the fairly mediocre displays that we are seeing. His heart isn't in it he desperately does not want to get injured and the end of the season can't come quick enough.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on April 19, 2016, 10:01:42 AM
How many problems did Saido have when Alan Irvine was Head Coach? He doesn't help himself but a lot of the problems have happened since Pulis took over, I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that he has handled Saido badly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on April 19, 2016, 10:09:25 AM
Had Berahino played as many games as Rondon in his natural position he'd have scored more goals. I don't see why we had to shift him to accommodate Rondon who IMO isn't anywhere near as good a finisher.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 19, 2016, 10:19:36 AM
Had Berahino played as many games as Rondon in his natural position he'd have scored more goals. I don't see why we had to shift him to accommodate Rondon who IMO isn't anywhere near as good a finisher.

I dont think so. When playing Pulis ball we need the loan striker to be someone who is stronger in the air and better at holding the ball up than Berahino is
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on April 19, 2016, 10:20:40 AM
As others have said, Saido is at least 80% to blame for having had a poor season. Pulis maybe could've handled him better at times but nobody is perfect. 

In terms of Pulis' blame, I'd more so question why Lambert, Saido and Rondon have struggled so much this season - the team set up just hasn't enabled them to score as much. Strikers can't score in isolation. I think Lambert was finished, Rondon has promise and Berahino will score goals with the right support.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on April 19, 2016, 01:01:15 PM
I dont think so. When playing Pulis ball we need the loan striker to be someone who is stronger in the air and better at holding the ball up than Berahino is

Berahino is only 1 goal behind Rondon despite spending half the season out of the side. I agree that Pulisball does need someone better at holding it up and in the air but Rondon isn't great at that either. At least with Berahino up top we see less Hoofball.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 19, 2016, 02:47:41 PM
How many problems did Saido have when Alan Irvine was Head Coach? He doesn't help himself but a lot of the problems have happened since Pulis took over, I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that he has handled Saido badly.
He got caught speeding and got a driving ban. That's off the field but it still shows an attitude problem.

As mentioned prior, he's had a lot of coaching issues BEFORE Pulis. It's not Pulis that is the problem here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 19, 2016, 02:59:29 PM
I think 'trouble' will follow him wherever he goes, and it will always be someone else's fault
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on April 19, 2016, 03:16:46 PM
He got caught speeding and got a driving ban. That's off the field but it still shows an attitude problem.

As mentioned prior, he's had a lot of coaching issues BEFORE Pulis. It's not Pulis that is the problem here.

Under Irvine, I recall there was a 'lateness' problem which continued during Pulis. He did play much better under Irvine though but you could argue he was trying to prove himself and by the time Pulis got here, there was talk of him (mainly from him of course) getting a big move and playing for England!

I'll stand by what I said before - I think he'll be 28/ 29 before he finally grows up and starts to show his true potential.  He'll get one or two moves to keep the wolves (not the Dogheads) at the door in the meantime.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on April 19, 2016, 08:16:54 PM
He got caught speeding and got a driving ban. That's off the field but it still shows an attitude problem.

As mentioned prior, he's had a lot of coaching issues BEFORE Pulis. It's not Pulis that is the problem here.

How many people on this forum have been done for speeding? Hardly a misdemeanour of Flabby Agbonlahor proportions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on April 19, 2016, 09:10:01 PM
How many people on this forum have been done for speeding? Hardly a misdemeanour of Flabby Agbonlahor proportions.

Over a ton when inebriated is hardly 35 in a 30 zone though and I recall he kept the club in the dark until after his international call up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 19, 2016, 11:36:39 PM
How many people on this forum have been done for speeding? Hardly a misdemeanour of Flabby Agbonlahor proportions.

You cannot compare casual speeding and driving massively over the limit whilst drunk, one is stupid, the other is outrageous.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 20, 2016, 06:45:31 AM
How many people on this forum have been done for speeding? Hardly a misdemeanour of Flabby Agbonlahor proportions.

It was speeding and drunk driving, personally I think it was worse that Flabby's pipe job.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 20, 2016, 09:47:02 AM
It was speeding and drunk driving, personally I think it was worse that Flabby's pipe job.

Much much worse. On another day he could have easily ended up like Lee Hughes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on April 20, 2016, 10:39:56 AM
How many people on this forum have been done for speeding? Hardly a misdemeanour of Flabby Agbonlahor proportions.

Huge difference fella....

over 100 mph while drunk is illegal and reckless..

a few canisters of laughing gas in a hotel whilst drunk is not
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on April 20, 2016, 01:47:45 PM
And what the fat lad did was perfectly legal if very stupid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on April 20, 2016, 06:15:23 PM
To be honest I completely forgot he was under the influence! When I posted I just had it in my head he was just speeding, hold my hands up for that one, incredibly stupid thing to do and should not be condoned.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on April 20, 2016, 07:31:28 PM
To be honest I completely forgot he was under the influence! When I posted I just had it in my head he was just speeding, hold my hands up for that one, incredibly stupid thing to do and should not be condoned.

Don't be too hard on yourself Lloydy, we'll let you off  :) ;).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 21, 2016, 10:41:20 AM
Will he sign a new deal with us?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on April 21, 2016, 11:14:13 AM
As I've said on previous posts,has anyone said that he wouldn't stay or re-sign, perhaps he might.
If so I still think jp will stump up at least 20milllion plus anything he can get for any dead wood.
It might be like a new signing,a new start for him and us.
If not I expect at least 40million to be made available,so happy days all round.
I just hope that all concerned know who they want/get and no arguing.
Left back,am,the wingers number ten.please.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on April 21, 2016, 11:18:14 AM
Will he sign a new deal with us?

If he is still here when the next window shuts then yes I think he will. He needs to move on for everyone's sake. No point in him staying if we aren't going to play him in his best position. I don't see why Pulis has said in the press that he hopes he signs a new deal as it's fairly obvious that he wants him gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: thelawyer on April 21, 2016, 11:58:06 AM
When he does go to Spurs would be good to get Mason in return as part of the deal. He's not had much chance this season but a good player and was in the England squad not long ago.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 21, 2016, 12:03:10 PM
When he does go to Spurs would be good to get Mason in return as part of the deal. He's not had much chance this season but a good player and was in the England squad not long ago.

Where would he fit into the Spurs side
Ali and Kane are miles ahead of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 21, 2016, 05:34:40 PM
Spurs would be idiots to try and sign him in the summer now being as they can get a better player as backup for Kane without Berahinos baggage for around £10 million.

Then again people can be idiots so you never know, figures crossed!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 21, 2016, 10:28:22 PM
Yet another awful performance tonight. Did absolutely nothing, contributed to their second goal and even though Rondon did very little, he probably did more in his first 10 minutes than Berahino did in his entire 90. I just hope we've already sold him for our sake.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on April 21, 2016, 10:30:44 PM
hard to believe how poor he is now, unbelievable we will get anywhere near his value of 18 months ago.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on April 22, 2016, 03:16:08 PM
hard to believe how poor he is now, unbelievable we will get anywhere near his value of 18 months ago.

Newcastle offered £25m cash up front 4 months ago!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 22, 2016, 03:37:26 PM
We'll still get north of £20 million. By the way if John Stones is worth £40 million I reckon I'd command a 7 figure fee.  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 22, 2016, 03:41:42 PM
I still say in a tottenham type team he would excel
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on April 22, 2016, 08:16:37 PM
Well if he can be as dedicated in training as he is to not playing for Peace then he'll be a world beater at his next club  :P

Having watched him last night, is he just inebriated off with us or is he a one season wonder cause I can't make my mind up anymore. I gave him the benefit earlier in the season as he was unfit/not mentally stable but 4/5 months later I'm starting to think he might not be all that.....

I await being shot down, I'm quite happy missing the obivous  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on April 22, 2016, 08:24:12 PM
Any chairman/owner who signs off a 20 million deal for Berahino must be on the pipe... I've always said we are his level but that was generous, he is more overrated than Alton Towers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on April 22, 2016, 10:20:51 PM
Saido and Rondon  are probably both missing Morrison. Someone to play the little passes into the channels. If we don't re-sign Morrison then we need an upgrade on him, someone to probe and pull the strings in the attacking third.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on April 25, 2016, 07:42:10 PM
Not playing v Spurs...hmmmm...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Xpresso on April 25, 2016, 07:59:08 PM
Anyone else think we're trying to make sure Spurs don't see at first hand how poor a player he's become this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 25, 2016, 09:03:07 PM
Anyone else think we're trying to make sure Spurs don't see at first hand how poor a player he's become this season.

Pretty naive to think if they're still interested they won't be having him watched. More likely if it's not a genuine injury we didn't want to risk him wrecking their title hopes as slim a chance as that may have been and becoming public enemy no.1 with their supporters.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on April 25, 2016, 10:16:46 PM
I think the deal is done for the summer ,bet  sadio was told get your head down keep us up then you can go .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 25, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
I think the deal is done for the summer ,bet  sadio was told get your head down keep us up then you can go .
Not done much to keep us up though.Dawson has done more! Crazy game!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 25, 2016, 11:34:38 PM
Again proved we do not have to rely on him.
Get shot and trouser the quids.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 26, 2016, 12:24:23 AM
I genuinely think if he didn't play in our past 3 games prior to tonight we'd have at least 2-3 more points, he's been that bad.

He isn't playing well at all lately and is no-where near a top 4 player, let alone our own squad. I just hope we have a fee agreed and we can somehow get him sold.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 26, 2016, 08:12:00 AM
Lets hope hes played his last game for us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiepoint on April 27, 2016, 02:25:25 PM
IMO Sadio has been already sold too spurs. His sudden change of attitude after the Jan transfer window. His complete turn around with admission of poor behavior. Olive branch like interview. Then a 'knock' for the game against said team.

We were also given Pritchard, who incidentally Tottenham rate really highly but Pulis thinks not good enough for our rugby squad.

Yep IMO hes gone!


 

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 27, 2016, 02:29:58 PM
IMO Sadio has been already sold too spurs. His sudden change of attitude after the Jan transfer window. His complete turn around with admission of poor behavior. Olive branch like interview. Then a 'knock' for the game against said team.

We were also given Pritchard, who incidentally Tottenham rate really highly but Pulis thinks not good enough for our rugby squad.

Yep IMO hes gone!

Still struggling to see where he would get into a team like Spuds
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiepoint on April 27, 2016, 02:53:51 PM
Still struggling to see where he would get into a team like Spuds

At present I agree. No service, in-fact no ball near him for 88 mins of a game. As I said In My Opinion (IMO) all the dots seem to add up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 27, 2016, 03:24:30 PM
I really hope you're right.

If we got over £20 million I'd be delighted. You could get Matty Phillips + a quality striker for that kind of money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on April 27, 2016, 04:32:48 PM
Still struggling to see where he would get into a team like Spuds

he'll get into the carling cup squad :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on April 27, 2016, 05:05:44 PM
Spurs will be in the Champions league next year and they really don't have a replacement for Kane if he gets injured or needs a rest, so Saido would gets a decent amount of game time.

He can also play off either wing which adds a versatility that Kane lacks
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on April 27, 2016, 05:52:42 PM
If i were Daniel Levy, I would withdraw the SB offer and ask about Rondon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on April 27, 2016, 06:09:27 PM
If we manage to get anything over 10 million for him I really believe we will get prosecuted for daylight robbery, I've always been on the fence with him but he's the most overrated player I can ever remember and coupled with his terrible attitude I really can't wait to see the back of him.....I just dread the rubbbish Pulis will waste the money on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: palmaroy on April 27, 2016, 06:17:43 PM
Spurs will be in the Champions league next year and they really don't have a replacement for Kane if he gets injured or needs a rest, so Saido would gets a decent amount of game time.

He can also play off either wing which adds a versatility that Kane lacks
the only problem with that theory he's an absolute load of rubbish.cant pass,head,control is very slow , pretty weak and of late takes a pooh penalty.He might fit in ok down the Villa
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: palmaroy on April 27, 2016, 06:49:09 PM
I reckon Pulis has been trying  to hide the fact all Season of how rubbish he is.He obviously don't want to play him but at times has had to fit him in just to keep public opinion happy.what do you think he adds to the team certainly not effort.
I wonder if the rest of the league knows how rubbish he is,I should think Spurs would know.They must wonder why Pulis never picked him in both Mathew.
The real problem now is he probably knows how rubbish he is himself.Id bet even his Mother m knows
5 million tops to one of the promoted teams. Might be able to fool them
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on April 27, 2016, 07:12:19 PM
the only problem with that theory he's an absolute load of rubbish.cant pass,head,control is very slow , pretty weak and of late takes a pooh penalty.He might fit in ok down the Villa

Well he isn't, is he? He's not played well this season, but would you expect him to in a Pulis team? In a team like Spurs he could get 15 goals if he played enough.

Even with his fairly lackluster season, he still gets a goal every three games across his WBA career. Before that it was a goal every 2.5 games (roughly speaking).
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 27, 2016, 07:14:13 PM
Some very odd posts on here.  He's out of form and not enjoying his football. Easily worth £25 million plus.

John Stones. Raheem Sterling. The barometers and there is even more money to spend this summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on April 27, 2016, 07:21:45 PM
He's had about 15 good games in an Albion shirt, I'm not knocking him as I said I'll laugh my head off if some mug pays over the odds for him... When he had his purple patch for 4 months how many goals did he score In open play? Lots were penaltys which he can't even manage now, he can't head a barn door and his attitude stinks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 27, 2016, 08:35:56 PM
This lad is like Jermaine Defoe - he won't contribute a lot to the overall game, won't win a game all on his own, but he can score goals. If he doesn't let his attitude get the best of him, he can have a similar career to the Sunderland striker. And that included a spell at Spurs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on April 27, 2016, 08:45:37 PM
This lad is like Jermaine Defoe - he won't contribute a lot to the overall game, won't win a game all on his own, but he can score goals. If he doesn't let his attitude get the best of him, he can have a similar career to the Sunderland striker. And that included a spell at Spurs.
He aint nothing like Defoe!! Defoe IS a proper striker!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 27, 2016, 08:54:31 PM
He aint nothing like Defoe!! Defoe IS a proper striker!

Defoe is a poacher. Saido is a poacher - he just doesn't get played in the right way, or get the right service, to show that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 27, 2016, 08:57:11 PM
This lad is like Jermaine Defoe - he won't contribute a lot to the overall game, won't win a game all on his own, but he can score goals. If he doesn't let his attitude get the best of him, he can have a similar career to the Sunderland striker. And that included a spell at Spurs.

With his current outlook and attitude he'll never be as good as Defoe
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 27, 2016, 09:41:29 PM
With his current outlook and attitude he'll never be as good as Defoe

Spot on. No one's denying he has potential, but he's no better than Anichebe if he regresses and becomes wasteful, which he has been doing since last season.

As has also been mentioned, Spurs could easily look elsewhere and do better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 28, 2016, 12:23:41 PM
Spot on. No one's denying he has potential, but he's no better than Anichebe if he regresses and becomes wasteful, which he has been doing since last season.

As has also been mentioned, Spurs could easily look elsewhere and do better.

Couldn't agree more. One 'good' season in which his goal tally made him look way better than he thanks to being our penalty taker does not make a 25 million player.

His all round game (ie passing, movement, ariel ability, strength, work rate) has always been poor. He just had a wicked finish on him and now he's (at least for now), lost that too.

If I was Jeremy Peace id be snapping off anything above 8 million. If and when he turns out like the next Francis Jeffers or Luke Moore it will look like a very good piece of business.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on April 28, 2016, 01:34:12 PM
Couldn't agree more. One 'good' season in which his goal tally made him look way better than he thanks to being our penalty taker does not make a 25 million player.

His all round game (ie passing, movement, ariel ability, strength, work rate) has always been poor. He just had a wicked finish on him and now he's (at least for now), lost that too.

If I was Jeremy Peace id be snapping off anything above 8 million. If and when he turns out like the next Francis Jeffers or Luke Moore it will look like a very good piece of business.

I can understand why we turned down 23 million from Newcastle in January but with hindsight it was a mistake
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 28, 2016, 02:07:07 PM
I can understand why we turned down 23 million from Newcastle in January but with hindsight it was a mistake


He maywell have kept them up at our expense
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on April 28, 2016, 02:24:25 PM
Couldn't agree more. One 'good' season in which his goal tally made him look way better than he thanks to being our penalty taker does not make a 25 million player.

His all round game (ie passing, movement, ariel ability, strength, work rate) has always been poor. He just had a wicked finish on him and now he's (at least for now), lost that too.

If I was Jeremy Peace id be snapping off anything above 8 million. If and when he turns out like the next Francis Jeffers or Luke Moore it will look like a very good piece of business.

I wouldn't say that his movement and strength are poor at all. He is only one goal behind Rondon who most think is great despite playing less games and out of position.

He needs to move on but we need to reinvest the money wisely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on May 01, 2016, 01:00:19 AM
Well the fat boy kept his promise of not playing for JP again, get rid as soon as window is open. Who needs saido we've got A NEW KID ON THE BLOCK
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 01, 2016, 02:00:02 AM
The Danny Ings tribunal fee, the 1 year left on his contract.... we'll do well to get £15m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on May 01, 2016, 02:33:09 AM
the worst forward in the air ever[this includes all professional leagues],he cant beat a man and people on here think we are going to get 25m in your dreams 15m if we are very lucky
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on May 01, 2016, 08:16:25 AM
It is a matter of some sadness that whatever we get for him this summer will be a bonus and we simply won't miss him, we the miss the player of last year but the not the one we currently have on our books.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 01, 2016, 01:10:45 PM
'He's not Corberan, he's a very naughty boy'.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on May 01, 2016, 01:13:55 PM
Yes he was a bit of a nob,  most footballers are but TP has managed to mismanage the situation so badly we have a shadow of the player we had before.

Saying that Spurs and whoever was dealing with the transfer b®ll©x messed it all up.

Should have stuck him in the team though and used his anger to motivate performance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on May 01, 2016, 04:45:20 PM
but if he wasn't properly match fit (through his own fault) why should he be picked ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on May 01, 2016, 05:00:02 PM
Very poor again and, like Rondon, has looked generally poor the past 7/8 games hence no cutting edge to our game at all.

PS - No one who actually attended yesterday's game could say that we didn't attack them from the off and put plenty of balks into the box.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on May 01, 2016, 08:22:18 PM
He's average at best and he's very lucky to be getting a game in the prem...not a one season wonder but a ten game wonder.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on May 01, 2016, 08:50:50 PM
He's average at best and he's very lucky to be getting a game in the prem...not a one season wonder but a ten game wonder.

Agreed, Palace reportedly interested now. A top four club will not touch him with a bargepole.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on May 01, 2016, 09:59:44 PM
Agreed, Palace reportedly interested now. A top four club will not touch him with a bargepole.

Not a chance will he get a top4 club

He has blown his chances
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on May 02, 2016, 09:02:20 PM
Agreed, Palace reportedly interested now. A top four club will not touch him with a bargepole.

Not particularly bothered where he goes so long as we get a decent wedge and we buy a decent striker rather than 3 centre halfs with the money
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 03, 2016, 09:53:52 AM
would he do well at Palace, i wonder. cant wait until he is off our books. hes trouble
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 03, 2016, 10:19:48 AM
Yes he was a bit of a nob,  most footballers are but TP has managed to mismanage the situation so badly we have a shadow of the player we had before.

Saying that Spurs and whoever was dealing with the transfer b®ll©x messed it all up.

Should have stuck him in the team though and used his anger to motivate performance.

but his anger was towards the club for the perceived injustice that was done to him (in his head). If his anger had been aimed at Spurs then I can see your point but it wasn't. Hence his never playing comment.

He looks like he just isn't bothered. Last season he would have buried at least one of the chances he had against man City, most likely both penalties against Watford and the good chance he had against West ham on Saturday but he looks to me like he doesn't care if he scores or not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on May 03, 2016, 10:26:36 AM
but his anger was towards the club for the perceived injustice that was done to him (in his head). If his anger had been aimed at Spurs then I can see your point but it wasn't. Hence his never playing comment.

He looks like he just isn't bothered. Last season he would have buried at least one of the chances he had against man City, most likely both penalties against Watford and the good chance he had against West ham on Saturday but he looks to me like he doesn't care if he scores or not.
which sums up what kind of person he is, where's his professional pride? He's like a lot of the youngsters now who play for the money and not for the love of the game. I can't stand him and never have overly and can't wait to see the back of him. For all Odemwingie's faults he's five times the player and person Berahino is imo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on May 03, 2016, 10:34:31 AM
I think it was fairly obvious that he was going to decline this season. We may be lucky to get £10m at this rate but it doesn't really matter as long as JP gets one up on someone.

He needs to go ASAP but I can see this dragging on until late in the window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on May 03, 2016, 11:04:54 AM
I think it was fairly obvious that he was going to decline this season. We may be lucky to get £10m at this rate but it doesn't really matter as long as JP gets one up on someone.

He needs to go ASAP but I can see this dragging on until late in the window.

I agree but I hope that we already have a deal in place with someone to take him off our hands
His value has declined dramatically over the last 9 months
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on May 03, 2016, 12:02:37 PM
JP is normally the master negotiator but is going to lose out big time over this transfer. Saido's heart is not in it anymore and the sooner he goes the better. There is an exellent forward in there somewere but it wont be for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 03, 2016, 12:15:10 PM
god help him when he comes back to visit
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 03, 2016, 06:29:51 PM
This report a bit old but.....
Pulis wants new Berahino deal.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/article/168/10252040/tony-pulis-hopes-saido-berahino-will-sign-a-new-contract-to-stay-at-west-brom
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on May 03, 2016, 06:44:27 PM
Is he still here?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 07, 2016, 08:51:50 PM
Linked with a move to Watford.
Oh how have the mighty fallen.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/live/match-reaction/341548/pulis-berahino-wont-come-cheap
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 08, 2016, 10:46:29 AM
Linked with a move to Watford.
Oh how have the mighty fallen.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/live/match-reaction/341548/pulis-berahino-wont-come-cheap

"Before the season started we'd have bitten off arms, legs, whatever was available to be in this position that we're in now." - TP

REALLY? 15th is great now is it????
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on May 08, 2016, 05:56:17 PM
ee Pulis is hinting he may stay. Hope to hell it's just mind games to get in decent bids. Really want to see the back of him. Don't think he will ever be a top class player
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 08, 2016, 06:55:33 PM
"Before the season started we'd have bitten off arms, legs, whatever was available to be in this position that we're in now." - TP

REALLY? 15th is great now is it????
In all fairness between 11 and 15 there is 6 points.If our penalty takers had done the job we would be there.Fact is job done.Now move on?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on May 08, 2016, 10:20:27 PM
The bitten off arms and legs to be in this position quote was actually said by Eddie Howe, not Pulis. The comments about Peace made me chuckle
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on May 10, 2016, 12:21:55 AM
Iv'e said it before IF he signs a new contract BEFORE the end of the season I would hope the fans would get behind him next season IF he hasn't the sell him ASP.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 10, 2016, 09:11:54 AM
"Before the season started we'd have bitten off arms, legs, whatever was available to be in this position that we're in now." - TP

REALLY? 15th is great now is it????

You need to read the report again it's clearly Eddie Howe that says that not Pulis.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on May 10, 2016, 09:45:23 AM
You need to read the report again it's clearly Eddie Howe that says that not Pulis.

Correct sir.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 10, 2016, 10:33:31 AM
Iv'e said it before IF he signs a new contract BEFORE the end of the season I would hope the fans would get behind him next season IF he hasn't the sell him ASP.

Not sure just signing a contract on improved wages is enough to justify us giving the lad our unequivocal support?

If he has a change in his stinking attitude then perhaps he will start to get people back on board, but currently we have a player who is purportedly worth in excess of £20m who displays no effort or desire to play for us and we should get behind him? No thanks Geoff.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 10, 2016, 10:42:57 AM
Wasn't he supposed to have had a change in attitude before the Crustal Palace game? Apologies to the fans,club etc?

He played well in that game but since then has been indifferent, rightly on the bench at the minute.

We need to sell. he needs a move and we need a fresh striker to play with Rondon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 10, 2016, 10:45:37 AM
Wasn't he supposed to have had a change in attitude before the Crustal Palace game? Apologies to the fans,club etc?

He played well in that game but since then has been indifferent, rightly on the bench at the minute.

We need to sell. he needs a move and we need a fresh striker to play with Rondon.

He seems to be very much entering Odemwingie territory currently, in so far as the move to the club he wanted will not be materialising and he will end up moving nigh on anywhere soon just to start again such is the balls up that the kid has made.

It's a nonsense really, he could have been revered here if he'd just made his feelings known to the powers that be behind closed doors and not said anything in the public domain and got on with his football but he has completely ruined any hopes of that now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on May 10, 2016, 10:50:34 AM
Not worked out well for anyone has it.

His value has dropped in my opinion and will keep dropping given current performances. I can't imagine Newcastle or Stoke offering £24m+ for him anymore, and I suspect Spurs will move on.

So we have a player worth less and Saido probably has no better option than us. He might be better off signing with a buy out. That way if he does get back to anything near a £25m player and clubs of a top 6 ilk knock again, he knows we won't be able to stop him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on May 10, 2016, 11:37:25 AM
under the poor performances of late is a quality player - the style of play is killing his game. The reason why other teams will still want him is that class is permanent and he has a class touch and strike on him - but it is rarely seen given our tactics. In a proper team with a slightly more attacking nature (ie one that plays normal football) he would score many more goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on May 10, 2016, 11:47:01 AM
under the poor performances of late is a quality player - the style of play is killing his game. The reason why other teams will still want him is that class is permanent and he has a class touch and strike on him - but it is rarely seen given our tactics. In a proper team with a slightly more attacking nature (ie one that plays normal football) he would score many more goals.

isn't that true of any half decenty striker though?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 10, 2016, 12:19:22 PM
I still believe he will end up at Spurs, those saying he 'isn't very good' and 'average at best' to be frank don't know what they're talking about.  Laughable.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on May 10, 2016, 12:27:46 PM
The lad is a top talent no doubting that, he has everything to be a dangerous forward for years to come.

For me though its his attitude that stinks, if he goes to Spurs he wont displace Kane and will therefore become a backup striker and if that happens I can see his career dwindling.

I know its easy to say with baggies tinted glasses that he would be better served staying here and getting his regular place back and scoring goals etc but in all seriousness it is better for him.

There are a few clubs I could see him going too where he may be a regular starter and that is Everton and West Ham....but West Ham are chasing Benteke and Batshuayi....Everton will lose Lukaku I feel and he could replace him up there.

Its going to be an interesting summer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on May 10, 2016, 12:43:35 PM
when mentioning attitude it always reminds me of this article now.

http://www.podcastpeldroed.cymru/the-curious-career-of-jason-koumas/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 10, 2016, 01:01:59 PM
when mentioning attitude it always reminds me of this article now.

http://www.podcastpeldroed.cymru/the-curious-career-of-jason-koumas/

Jase playing in our front 3 in his pomp would be something to behold. Would light up this team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on May 10, 2016, 01:09:29 PM
I still believe he will end up at Spurs, those saying he 'isn't very good' and 'average at best' to be frank don't know what they're talking about.  Laughable.

I know you wont agree but personally I would take the 20 million (if its still on offer) and take the chance that he isn't as good as he thinks he is
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on May 10, 2016, 01:44:44 PM
I still believe he will end up at Spurs, those saying he 'isn't very good' and 'average at best' to be frank don't know what they're talking about.  Laughable.

Totally disagree.

Defoe was top drawer, Berahino will be nowhere near him/his career at 32.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on May 10, 2016, 01:45:45 PM
Jase playing in our front 3 in his pomp would be something to behold. Would light up this team.

Once he'd put his fag down  :) ;).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 10, 2016, 02:28:26 PM
I still believe he will end up at Spurs, those saying he 'isn't very good' and 'average at best' to be frank don't know what they're talking about.  Laughable.

Is it really that laughable to question the ability of a player who is marketed as an out and out goal scorer, (rather than a Shane Long/Fortune/Rondon team player type)
who has scored 4 league goals in 28 appearances this season and contributed 0 assists?

(Brown Ideye notched in the same amount of goals in 24 appearances in his season here)

If he wasn't the chosen penalty taker last season his goal tally wouldn't of been as impressive then either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 10, 2016, 04:36:02 PM
Is it really that laughable to question the ability of a player who is marketed as an out and out goal scorer, (rather than a Shane Long/Fortune/Rondon team player type)
who has scored 4 league goals in 28 appearances this season and contributed 0 assists?

(Brown Ideye notched in the same amount of goals in 24 appearances in his season here)

If he wasn't the chosen penalty taker last season his goal tally wouldn't of been as impressive then either.
4 goals in 15 starts not disasterous in a team that creates f**k all, especially considering he hasn't been deployed as an out and out central striker.
14 in 32 last season in a struggling team was very impressive.

Anyway stats don't tell the whole story and I'm flabbergasted that anyone who has watched him closely over the last few years can't see his potential.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on May 10, 2016, 04:41:17 PM
Is it really that laughable to question the ability of a player who is marketed as an out and out goal scorer, (rather than a Shane Long/Fortune/Rondon team player type)
who has scored 4 league goals in 28 appearances this season and contributed 0 assists?

(Brown Ideye notched in the same amount of goals in 24 appearances in his season here)

If he wasn't the chosen penalty taker last season his goal tally wouldn't of been as impressive then either.

Had he played in his best position and not behind the striker then he'd have scored more goals I reckon. He's by far our best striker. Much better than Rondon who seems to be loved by fans just because he puts a shift in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 10, 2016, 04:41:59 PM
 Hopefully Good riddance to one of the most arrogant , I will be toasting with a beer when he's gone. Trouble maker where ever he goes, England, Peterborough etc


He will excel in a football team though, sad really
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 11, 2016, 08:13:15 PM
Last season he was 5th highest goal scorer in the Premier League. For the England under 21 he scored 10 goals in 11 matches and was voted under 21 player of the year. He may have suffered this season from his reaction to Spuds successful attempts at unsettling him and Pulis approach to football but clearly he has talent and people will pay for that. JP is not a stupid man, he knows it and if he goes JP will get top dollar.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on May 12, 2016, 10:58:55 AM
Rated at £10 by champagne Charlie

http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2016/05/charlie-nicholas-tottenham-must-sign-this-10m-striker/?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on May 12, 2016, 11:08:06 AM
Rated at £10 by champagne Charlie

http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2016/05/charlie-nicholas-tottenham-must-sign-this-10m-striker/?
A young English talent who he believes would improve an already very good Spurs team. Straight away there you should be talking a considerable fee. Obviously this season will have an impact on a few peoples idea of how good he is though. Personally I think if he goes there it would be a great move for him because I think his talent is clear, unfortunately his ego is too big for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on May 16, 2016, 06:31:54 PM
Saido linked with a 12m move to Everton in todays papers
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on May 16, 2016, 06:34:28 PM
Saido linked with a 12m move to Everton in todays papers

I can see him staying. His stock has fallen and we'll probably hold out for silly money which won't be on offer. A big mistake not selling last summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on May 16, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
On the verge of the full England team not long ago...now not only sees his ex under 21 partner going to the Euros but also the possibility Rashford will go too...greed ..misguided ego and a total a**e of an agent have taken there toll...wouldn't be surprised to see him in a Stoke kit next season...what a waste..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on May 16, 2016, 08:37:59 PM
On the verge of the full England team not long ago...now not only sees his ex under 21 partner going to the Euros but also the possibility Rashford will go too...greed ..misguided ego and a total a**e of an agent have taken there toll...wouldn't be surprised to see him in a Stoke kit next season...what a waste..

cant really judge him for who hodgson has picked for the euro, thers a few that hes picked that have hardly played this season and also people he's left out that have played really well. Hodgson openly said when saido was playing well last season that he would pick kane because he plays for spurs and saido plays for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on May 16, 2016, 08:53:42 PM
I can see him staying. His stock has fallen and we'll probably hold out for silly money which won't be on offer. A big mistake not selling last summer.

I think we were willing to sell but the buyer couldn't afford him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on May 16, 2016, 09:11:29 PM
Has he gone yet?????
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on May 16, 2016, 10:00:31 PM
I can see him staying. His stock has fallen and we'll probably hold out for silly money which won't be on offer. A big mistake not selling last summer.

IF he had gone to Spurs in that window who knows he could have been the missing piece in their jigsaw & gone on to win the league. So i think the opposite mukka well worth losing a bit of money just to f--k both him & them up.
p/s did not see his name on the eurolist  of Roy's either. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :P :P :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 17, 2016, 11:17:14 AM
I think we were willing to sell but the buyer couldn't afford him

I agree. I think its easy to blame Peace for this in hindsight, but how many fans wanted us to sell him for £15 million last summer? From memory the majority wanted him to stay unless if we were offered silly money which we obviously weren't.

Its time for us to forget about the past transfer windows and try and get the best price we can for him now based on his current levels of ability/value.

If that is £12 million, then so be it. We can buy a very capable number 10 for that money if we spend wisely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on May 21, 2016, 05:40:21 PM
Another report of interest from stoke..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 21, 2016, 08:25:34 PM
Another report of interest from stoke..

That is where I expect him I to end up, I don't see Spurs being bothered now but Mark Hughes may be the one that gives us the money we would want for him. Hardly the massive step forward he was hoping for though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on May 21, 2016, 10:35:36 PM
That is where I expect him I to end up, I don't see Spurs being bothered now but Mark Hughes may be the one that gives us the money we would want for him. Hardly the massive step forward he was hoping for though.
Indeed. They've finished 9th for 3 seasons in a row. Whilst that's nothing to be laughed at - it's not the dizzy heights that he was originally aiming for.
In terms of career progression it probably means it's just as hard to get an England cap, just as hard to win a trophy etc. The money is probably similar in wages to what we'd offer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 22, 2016, 01:34:02 AM
Indeed. They've finished 9th for 3 seasons in a row. Whilst that's nothing to be laughed at - it's not the dizzy heights that he was originally aiming for.
In terms of career progression it probably means it's just as hard to get an England cap, just as hard to win a trophy etc. The money is probably similar in wages to what we'd offer.

Stoke are another one of those clubs looking to make it to that elusive next level that so many talk about but it's much easier said than done and they have spent a fair amount trying to get there.

I also think that while Hodgson is England manager he would struggle to get a cap anyway after working with him here when he was younger and not very well behaved. I think you are right that a move to Stoke does his England prospects no good at all but ultimately he only has himself to blame if he can't get a bigger club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 22, 2016, 07:11:47 AM
I don't believe Berahino will ever reach the heights he aspires to, he has effectively ruined his own career.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on May 22, 2016, 08:08:00 AM
I think he set his career back 12 months. He needs to be super fit and hit the ground running at the start of next season ...which it sounds like is what Pulis has told him...whether with us or someone else.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on May 22, 2016, 08:13:27 AM
I still think he'll be a regular premier league scorer for years with 10-15 goals regularly per season but won't be champions league quality, mainly due to attitude , work rate and all round ability to hold up the ball as a lone front man which is how many teams use strikers these days. His finishing is top class but the rest of his games is average on the whole.

However, he's still a good player who can score regularly at this level and one we should therefore look to get a good price for. Wherever he goes, I predict for a year or two , he'll look great then will go off the boil again as he'll get bored/ fall out / get ideas above his station at his next club and so on and so on until his career drifts away the the heights he could've reached.

He's an example of a few modern young players having been spoiled rotten by doting academies ! He should have had to clean a few first teamers boots along the way to learn some humility.

When you look at 14m for a 32 yr old Defoe, then Berahino is worth at least 20m overall as he has around 10 years of goals in him in the right team (not ours and certainly not whilst Pulis is in charge). Roberts and Leko could be even better in time considering they've broken through much younger and don't look out of place whereas Bera big balls was early 20s before breaking through.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 22, 2016, 09:15:56 AM
Harry Kane scored 8 goals in 14 matches for the under 21s, at the same time Berahino scored 10 in 11 matches.
Kane has a season at Tottenham and sees his value soar and becomes a regular international. Berahino has a season at West Brom and (according to some) has his career written off. No wonder he is drunk off. The bloke is worth much more than some say on here, someone who is less emotional about it will recognise it and Peace will get his cash.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2016, 09:55:12 AM
There is no disguising the fact that he's had a bad season. How much lasting harm this has done to his career is anyone's guess but I suspect he is more likely to move to a mid ranking club like Stoke than one that has genuine Champions League aspirations. Fortunately from the club's point of view mid ranking teams can stretch to £20m in fees but obviously it means that it isn't quite the windfall that it once was.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on May 22, 2016, 10:49:47 AM
Wouldn't be too surprised to see him end up at Everton, bought by new manager Mark Hughes out of money from a Lukaku sale.

Equally, I wouldn't be too surprised to see him sign a new contract at the Albion.

All ifs buts and maybe's, I honestly don't think I'll be letting his situation ruin my summer though.

Bring on the sunshine.
 8).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2016, 10:53:30 AM
The one thing that would genuinely surprise me would be him signing a new contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on May 22, 2016, 11:03:08 AM
The one thing that would genuinely surprise me would be him signing a new contract.

On the face of it his only realistic options appear to be sideways, which is why it wouldn't surprise me to see him sign a new deal.

Work hard for a season on increased terms, put himself back in the window under a more favourable light regarding 'rejuvenated' player etc and make JP pay extra for the privilege.

As I say, all ifs but and maybe's but certainly no surprises for me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on May 22, 2016, 11:15:31 AM
My preference would be to see a lack of interest in him resulting in him signing an improved contract and getting his gead down. A move to a 442, or at least having Berahino closer to Rondon could work really well as Rondon always seems to me to be more effective with someone close to him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on May 22, 2016, 03:39:25 PM
I'd say Harry Kane knuckled down after his first breakthrough season and continued to prove how good he is. He was also rewarded with the captain's armband and seemed to relish the responsibility while continuing to lead the line effectively. Saido on the other hand sulked about after his great season last year and slipped down the pecking order because of it. Can you imagine him as our captain? Think he really shot himself in the foot after the summer when he really needed another good season to really prove he is as good as a lot of us think
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on May 22, 2016, 10:11:04 PM
He needs to go just to clear the stale air here a bit, if he's moping around next year again it'll just drag everything down even more.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 22, 2016, 10:38:11 PM
He will only be used here out wide or in midfield. Now it's not a bad thing if the other winger is a flyer and with Rondon they create a dynamic 3, in the current set up he doesn't look good.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on May 24, 2016, 12:48:20 PM
Would a realistic option not be for him to sign a new contract but with a minimum fee release clause?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on May 24, 2016, 02:10:38 PM
Would a realistic option not be for him to sign a new contract but with a minimum fee release clause?

I'd go for that BUT that would need to be all signed & tied up by the end of the month.
Same needs to be said about our manager.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 24, 2016, 02:53:45 PM
cant wait for this thread to hit the bin
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 24, 2016, 03:02:34 PM
cant wait for this thread to hit the bin

Same. I long for the day he is sold and he removes his stinking attitude from our club.

Still cannot believe the money we turned down for him in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 24, 2016, 03:13:30 PM
Would a realistic option not be for him to sign a new contract but with a minimum fee release clause?

I think that was a realistic option and possibly best case scenario for all involved once the move to Spurs fell through last summer. All he had to do was carry on into the new season in the same kind of form he finished last season in and he would have easily got him move and none of us would have had a bad word to say about him. Instead he's been stuck on the same wages, let his fitness get to an unacceptable level, reportedly turned up late for training on a regular basis and all of that stopped us from getting the fee we wanted for him. He didn't seem to realise what he had done until it was too late and he offered a feeble apology to supporters and was playing catch up for the second half of the season and the damage to his reputation within football will be very difficult for him to rebuild.

Although its possible for him to realise his full potential elsewhere I don't think he will now he's wasted a full season and given himself a poor reputation. I fear I will look back on his career with a sense of real disappointment, wondering what could have been from the first kid to break through the youth system in a generation if not longer and make a real impact at the top level. He should have been hero worshiped by us like Kane is at Spurs but most just want him out of the door now due to the issues he's caused knowing its probably the best option for everyone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 25, 2016, 08:14:31 AM
so hes now worth 7 million
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on May 25, 2016, 08:33:46 AM
so hes now worth 7 million

He's worth what we will actually get for him, not some fabricated nonsense figure from the press.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 25, 2016, 08:37:39 AM
He's worth what we will actually get for him, not some fabricated nonsense figure from the press.


why do folk support the press, they continuously churn out rubbish
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on May 25, 2016, 08:39:56 AM
Has he gone yet?  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on May 25, 2016, 09:12:23 AM
Has he gone yet?  ::)

I was about to post the same in the Pulis thread :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on May 25, 2016, 09:13:03 AM
Saido is an A1 plonker
2 years ago he was rated ahead of Harry Kane but since his meltdown he has now slipped out of the picture
To add to the frustration Marcus Rashford has come from nowhere to take a place in the England squad
If he had acted in the proper manner he should be pushing on in what should be a glittering career and be Kane's England strike partner
Instead .......what a waste
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on May 25, 2016, 09:26:17 AM
Saido is an A1 plonker
2 years ago he was rated ahead of Harry Kane but since his meltdown he has now slipped out of the picture
To add to the frustration Marcus Rashford has come from nowhere to take a place in the England squad
If he had acted in the proper manner he should be pushing on in what should be a glittering career and be Kane's England strike partner
Instead .......what a waste

Good. I hope he looks back at his career with absolute regret when he's an old man.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 25, 2016, 09:43:16 AM
Good. I hope he looks back at his career with absolute regret when he's an old man.

Same. I hope his career, after we have sold him for a decent sum, continues on its current trajectory and he ends up in the Luke Moore bracket. He is just an unpleasant person.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on May 25, 2016, 01:21:41 PM
I don't think it's his horrible attitude that might put some clubs off although that wouldn't help him but I think most of football is coming round to the more important issue that he isn't actually very good.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on May 25, 2016, 01:27:35 PM
regardless of his attitude, he's still a very good player... And fortunately for him you play football with your talent not your attitude, I'd rather have a team full of good players than a team full of pooh plays who have a lovely attitude(like we have atm!)...

Can see him going and then coming back to haunt us  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 25, 2016, 09:26:49 PM
That £7m figure is just a figure plucked out of thin air by the press due to one rubbish season and him having just a year left on his contract. To be honest I'm pretty sure we could get that fee if not more from a tribunal if he were to leave at the end of his contract.

Massive shame how its worked out for us and him but he ultimately has no one to blame but himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on May 26, 2016, 12:02:28 PM
I don't think it's his horrible attitude that might put some clubs off although that wouldn't help him but I think most of football is coming round to the more important issue that he isn't actually very good.

He's the only player we have that other clubs have a real interest in. What does that say about the rest?

Once he moves on and gets his head right he'll score plenty in a side that actually creates chances.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 26, 2016, 12:13:18 PM
He's the only player we have that other clubs have a real interest in. What does that say about the rest?

Once he moves on and gets his head right he'll score plenty in a side that actually creates chances.

Are they actually though? We had 1 bid in January for him and nothing so far this summer. Mainly the links just seem to be lazy journalism because they know he wants out and know we want to sell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on May 26, 2016, 01:11:00 PM
Are they actually though? We had 1 bid in January for him and nothing so far this summer. Mainly the links just seem to be lazy journalism because they know he wants out and know we want to sell.

It's far too early in the summer to expect any bids as yet. Clubs will hold on knowing that his value will decrease the closer we get to the window closing. If we value him at £20-£25m then he won't go anywhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 26, 2016, 02:49:34 PM
It's far too early in the summer to expect any bids as yet. Clubs will hold on knowing that his value will decrease the closer we get to the window closing. If we value him at £20-£25m then he won't go anywhere.

I know it is really early but i'm just not expecting there to be a whole host of clubs looking to sign him, like the tabloids and people on this forum seem to think.

After all, he has clear off the field baggage and has only scored 4 premiership goals on the field this season. If I was a premier league chairman id be looking elsewhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on May 26, 2016, 03:26:27 PM
I know it is really early but i'm just not expecting there to be a whole host of clubs looking to sign him, like the tabloids and people on this forum seem to think.

After all, he has clear off the field baggage and has only scored 4 premiership goals on the field this season. If I was a premier league chairman id be looking elsewhere.

Like I said I think it will all come down to price. If we are willing to accept £10m then I think there will be enough teams willing to take a punt. He might knuckle down under the right manager. It's fairly obvious that Pulis wants rid and won't play him in his natural position anyway. You can't blame him for wanting out. He's just gone about it in a very unprofessional manner.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on May 26, 2016, 05:52:51 PM
It's far too early in the summer to expect any bids as yet. Clubs will hold on knowing that his value will decrease the closer we get to the window closing. If we value him at £20-£25m then he won't go anywhere.

If i was a owner or manager of a club looking to stump up that kind of £££ on a player i would want him up & ready to start the new season with his new teammates from the off that means a good & full preseason for said player.

like i have said in the past he & TP need either to move on or sign new deals before the end of the month
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 26, 2016, 10:28:55 PM
If i was a owner or manager of a club looking to stump up that kind of £££ on a player i would want him up & ready to start the new season with his new teammates from the off that means a good & full preseason for said player.

like i have said in the past he & TP need either to move on or sign new deals before the end of the month
He said he would not play for JP? Not sure if TP is the real "issue" he has or not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on May 27, 2016, 07:53:12 PM
Saido is an A1 plonker
2 years ago he was rated ahead of Harry Kane but since his meltdown he has now slipped out of the picture
To add to the frustration Marcus Rashford has come from nowhere to take a place in the England squad
If he had acted in the proper manner he should be pushing on in what should be a glittering career and be Kane's England strike partner
Instead .......what a waste

England 1 Aussies 0
Could have been you Saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on May 28, 2016, 01:44:40 PM
I agree. I think its easy to blame Peace for this in hindsight, but how many fans wanted us to sell him for £15 million last summer? From memory the majority wanted him to stay unless if we were offered silly money which we obviously weren't.

Its time for us to forget about the past transfer windows and try and get the best price we can for him now based on his current levels of ability/value.

If that is £12 million, then so be it. We can buy a very capable number 10 for that money if we spend wisely.
we could also buy a complete waste of space as well. I'd keep him and let his contract run out as we still will get millions due to the club investing in him since the age of ten, that's if no one reaches peace valuation of above twenty million. Oh and if we look like being safe at Xmas then JP could use window to inflate his value.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on June 07, 2016, 03:56:34 AM
we could also buy a complete waste of space as well. I'd keep him and let his contract run out as we still will get millions due to the club investing in him since the age of ten, that's if no one reaches peace valuation of above twenty million. Oh and if we look like being safe at Xmas then JP could use window to inflate his value.

But is he such a spoilt brat that he would purposely go to a European club so the club gets nothing?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on June 07, 2016, 07:45:56 AM
There are lots of very good reasons not to take the chance with a tribunal aside from the obvious possibility of him going abroad. If he has another season like last as an irregular starter and making a limited impact in a low scoring team then the tribunal will take that into account when setting the fee and we will be lucky to get £5m for him.

I know the Ings fee was much higher but remember that was on the back of a strong season in the Premier League and he was going to Liverpool. Berahino might not even be going to a Premier League club on the strength of another season like the one just gone.

We need to bite the bullet and get this situation resolved obviously get the best fee we can but we have to sell and that will be reflected in the fee. If we get anything near £20m then we will have done well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on June 09, 2016, 04:19:31 PM
if he has another poor season, then he wont be worth any more than £5m.

Its a two way street. If spurs are no longer interested, then his best bet is signing a new deal with us with a min fee and working hard - he is a nailed on starter when fit and if he has an ok season, there will be renewed interest. If he goes somewhere a bit in-between - eg everton/ southampton - he might never play and that could damage his long term chances of getting the top level football he thinks he is good enough for.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 09, 2016, 04:38:17 PM
i hope hes gone come the start of the new season, hes trouble and always will be
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on June 09, 2016, 04:46:13 PM
I cant see anyone putting in a decent bid for him. Should have sold him to Spurs when we had the chance. Lucky to get £10m for him now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 09, 2016, 05:09:11 PM
if he has another poor season, then he wont be worth any more than £5m.

Its a two way street. If spurs are no longer interested, then his best bet is signing a new deal with us with a min fee and working hard - he is a nailed on starter when fit and if he has an ok season, there will be renewed interest. If he goes somewhere a bit in-between - eg everton/ southampton - he might never play and that could damage his long term chances of getting the top level football he thinks he is good enough for.

In our set up I don't for a minute think this is true.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 09, 2016, 05:15:34 PM
I cant see anyone putting in a decent bid for him. Should have sold him to Spurs when we had the chance. Lucky to get £10m for him now.


just get rid, give himaway. buy the lamb get one free
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on June 09, 2016, 05:41:51 PM
When bids are going in for Deeney in the region of 20 million then that tells me that the transfer market is inflating beyond recognition. Bera had a rough season, granted of his own making but he's still a decent player with a hell of a lot of potential for improvement still.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on June 09, 2016, 05:44:26 PM
When bids are going in for Deeney in the region of 20 million then that tells me that the transfer market is inflating beyond recognition. Bera had a rough season, granted of his own making but he's still a decent player with a hell of a lot of potential for improvement still.

That sounds alot like sensible talk to me... Stop it now!

Saido does have the issue of his wanting to be a number 9, running off the shoulder of the defender, but we don't play like that. Short of having two up front, I'm not sure what to do in regards to playing him?

I wouldn't be too suprised for him to sign a new contract this summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on June 09, 2016, 05:54:32 PM
IF , we could get a happy Saido on the pitch with Rondon then that would be the best outcome IMO. Other than that I'm confident that if a move is still wanted there will be no real issues with his last season, anybody can tell it was a mentality problem rather than an ability one. I still think Tottenham or at a push Liverpool would be a very good fit for him.  I just hope it's dealt with swiftly, unlikely though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 09, 2016, 06:12:24 PM
IF , we could get a happy Saido on the pitch with Rondon then that would be the best outcome IMO. Other than that I'm confident that if a move is still wanted there will be no real issues with his last season, anybody can tell it was a mentality problem rather than an ability one. I still think Tottenham or at a push Liverpool would be a very good fit for him.  I just hope it's dealt with swiftly, unlikely though.

Doesn't work hard enough for the Reds, would get a lot of goalscoring chances though. His main issue with a move to either of those sides would how underwhelmed the response from the terraces would be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on June 10, 2016, 01:47:02 PM
Watford have bid

Breaking news on sky
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2016, 01:56:36 PM
Watford have bid

Breaking news on sky

Interesting to see how much, after they turned down £20 million for 27 year old (28 in two weeks) Deeney.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on June 10, 2016, 02:01:33 PM
Watford have bid

Breaking news on sky

Well at least that's closer to Landan  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 10, 2016, 02:04:22 PM
found this

http://www.wdsport.co.uk/2016/06/watford-table-club-record-bid-for-saido-berahino/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on June 10, 2016, 02:05:24 PM
A step down for Saido if he went there after his high opinion of himself!!
Swap with Deeney or Igalho and we'll talk...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on June 10, 2016, 02:10:37 PM
I know we'd all lid rid but if the likes of Watford can come and take one of our best players then it just shows how much we are falling behind.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 10, 2016, 02:23:13 PM
I know we'd all lid rid but if the likes of Watford can come and take one of our best players then it just shows how much we are falling behind.

I doubt we'll accept their offer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2016, 02:35:39 PM
I know we'd all lid rid but if the likes of Watford can come and take one of our best players then it just shows how much we are falling behind.

London mate. Nothing to do with falling behind. The sooner we implement a London training ground and the players only get near West Bromwich for matches the better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 10, 2016, 02:41:49 PM
For what its worth our local journalists have said no bids have been received for him. Watford seem to be insisting they have made a 'club record' bid for him though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 10, 2016, 02:43:13 PM
London mate. Nothing to do with falling behind. The sooner we implement a London training ground and the players only get near West Bromwich for matches the better.

Thats not a bad idea that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on June 10, 2016, 02:59:35 PM
Birmingham Mail reporting no bids. Whether the Watford bid has turned up after that report who knows.

Watford is not a step down for Saido they are a Premier League club just like we are and they are going to pay him just as much as we are likely to. They are exploiting the situation. Player with one year on his contract not earning a fortune desperate to leave and his manager wants to sell him.

We have the option of keeping him and if last season season is anything to go by using him fitfully and next summer he is free to leave. Yes there is a tribunal fee to fall back on but good luck with getting even 50% of what we might now.

It is not a measure of where we are in any pecking order but a measure of utterly how shot our position is with Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on June 10, 2016, 03:14:31 PM
For what its worth our local journalists have said no bids have been received for him. Watford seem to be insisting they have made a 'club record' bid for him though.

season ticket time, just like Gold and Sullivan when they were at Blues
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on June 10, 2016, 03:18:44 PM
Get £20m and get rid.  Move on with hungry talented players who actually want to play for this club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 10, 2016, 03:21:22 PM
"Sky Sources" - I'll say no more.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on June 10, 2016, 03:30:00 PM
Get £20m and get rid.  Move on with hungry talented players who actually want to play for this club.


The problem is WHO wants to play for this club?

It's unambitious, small time and has a manager that plays over-pragmatic football that dis encourages flair and / or freedom.

The club thinks small, the fans think small.

I can't see there being much of a queue of players that "want" to play for this club, can you? ..... Not unless they're useless and it's their only hope of Premier League football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on June 10, 2016, 03:30:36 PM
Out of curiousity, whats Watfords record purchase at present?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 10, 2016, 03:32:25 PM
Out of curiousity, whats Watfords record purchase at present?

According to Wikipedia, £6.6m:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Watford_F.C._records_and_statistics#Records_and_statistics
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on June 10, 2016, 03:37:06 PM
Out of curiousity, whats Watfords record purchase at present?
just under 8 million
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/watford-fc/transferrekorde/verein/1010/plus/0?saison_id=&pos=&detailpos=&altersklasse=&w_s=
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on June 10, 2016, 03:38:53 PM
According to Wikipedia, £6.6m:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Watford_F.C._records_and_statistics#Records_and_statistics

I wouldnt even consider 8 million. If Deeney offers been rejected of 20 million, regardless of the season Saido has had, hes just as good as Troy Deeney.

Next.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on June 10, 2016, 03:42:03 PM
Out of curiousity, whats Watfords record purchase at present?

at one point it was Ellington from us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on June 10, 2016, 03:50:28 PM
just under 8 million
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/watford-fc/transferrekorde/verein/1010/plus/0?saison_id=&pos=&detailpos=&altersklasse=&w_s=

Comical! !
 ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on June 10, 2016, 03:57:53 PM
I wouldnt even consider 8 million. If Deeney offers been rejected of 20 million, regardless of the season Saido has had, hes just as good as Troy Deeney.

Next.

That's not what's being said here. That link shoows that Watfords record purchase is 8 mill
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on June 10, 2016, 04:33:47 PM
London mate. Nothing to do with falling behind. The sooner we implement a London training ground and the players only get near West Bromwich for matches the better.

That's a very interesting thought. I guess the players rarely visit the ground other than on match days. They could ship them to and from home games via private jet.  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2016, 05:43:57 PM
That's a very interesting thought. I guess the players rarely visit the ground other than on match days. They could ship them to and from home games via private jet.  :D

The idea is that they could live in London, because that is where they work; except on matchday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 10, 2016, 05:47:06 PM
Who the hell would WANT to live in London?!  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2016, 05:47:54 PM
Who the hell would WANT to live in London?!  ;D

Apparently EVERY footballer except Ben Foster  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 10, 2016, 07:04:04 PM
Who the hell would WANT to live in London?!  ;D
Only those overpaid of our society that can afford to live in the few select areas. The rest is an overpriced dump. :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on June 10, 2016, 10:38:24 PM
Only those overpaid of our society that can afford to live in the few select areas. The rest is an overpriced dump. :D
from someone who had the misfortune of living there how true
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 10, 2016, 11:02:42 PM
"Sky Sources" - I'll say no more.

Normally prefixed by 'Pie In The'
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 11, 2016, 09:18:19 AM
London mate. Nothing to do with falling behind. The sooner we implement a London training ground and the players only get near West Bromwich for matches the better.
Jacko we have had many a disagreement and the odd agreement :D
But you might just have hit the nail here, 1.5 hrs on the m40 once a fortnight, I think this is something that they really should look at, have you mentioned to the club???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on June 11, 2016, 12:27:55 PM
Jacko we have had many a disagreement and the odd agreement :D
But you might just have hit the nail here, 1.5 hrs on the m40 once a fortnight, I think this is something that they really should look at, have you mentioned to the club???
these over paid Prem a Donna's can foooook right off of they don't want to be with in a hundred miles of club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 11, 2016, 10:14:08 PM
these over paid Prem a Donna's can foooook right off of they don't want to be with in a hundred miles of club
On a scale of 1 to behave
How many of our last 100 signings do you think signed because of the area ?
And how many do you think we miss out on?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on June 12, 2016, 10:19:13 AM
On a scale of 1 to behave
How many of our last 100 signings do you think signed because of the area ?
And how maney do you think we miss out on?
what are you on about? Players Albion sign have an understanding that they have to live within a certain distance of ground and training facilities
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on June 12, 2016, 11:04:30 AM
I think the London thing is a bit of a myth. There are players whose home is London and the South East and either don't want to leave or want to return and others who see London as a glamour destination but beyond giving Watford and Palace a bit of a leg up the market there is no real advantage. The other London Premier League clubs have more money than us anyway so it is as likely to be the money talking as the location.

Ask yourself if a player is going to take £3k a week to play for Brentford in London or £20k a week to play for us?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on June 12, 2016, 11:14:43 AM
I think the London thing is a bit of a myth. There are players whose home is London and the South East and either don't want to leave or want to return and others who see London as a glamour destination but beyond giving Watford and Palace a bit of a leg up the market there is no real advantage. The other London Premier League clubs have more money than us anyway so it is as likely to be the money talking as the location.

Ask yourself if a player is going to take £3k a week to play for Brentford in London or £20k a week to play for us?

If we both offered the same they are more likely to choose London. It is a disadvantage for us but I think the Pulis factor will have more of an effect.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on June 12, 2016, 11:29:04 AM
If we both offered the same they are more likely to choose London. It is a disadvantage for us but I think the Pulis factor will have more of an effect.

Absolutely but it really is only Palace and Watford where it makes a difference and there is a limit to the players those two clubs can sign. We also get some the other way I think West Ham were in for Fletcher but he chose us in part because he could stay in Cheshire.
 
The Pulis effect will be mixed. There are players who have got on the wrong side of him that wouldn't play for him if you offered them the world but he does have a good reputation among the old school British Managers circle. Some players like that and will be influenced by the likes of Fergie and the Neville's and as such would be more than happy to sign for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on June 12, 2016, 11:34:59 AM
Absolutely but it really is only Palace and Watford where it makes a difference and there is a limit to the players those two clubs can sign. We also get some the other way I think West Ham were in for Fletcher but he chose us in part because he could stay in Cheshire.
 
The Pulis effect will be mixed. There are players who have got on the wrong side of him that wouldn't play for him if you offered them the world but he does have a good reputation among the old school British Managers circle. Some players like that and will be influenced by the likes of Fergie and the Neville's and as such would be more than happy to sign for him.

Didn't West Ham pull out of the Fletcher deal? I suspect he'd have still gone there if not.

I'm probably being a little harsh on Pulis as we have been able to bring in Evans who has been a major coup. It 's the more creative players I worry about. Do they want to play in such a negative side?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 12, 2016, 01:25:14 PM
what are you on about? Players Albion sign have an understanding that they have to live within a certain distance of ground and training facilities
I'm on about your point, you said that prima donnas that don't want to be within a hundred miles of the club can fooook off?
You could of course be sensible, turn it the other way and say we should try everything we can to make playing for us more attractive.
No one on 65k a week wants to live in Sandwell /Perry Barr/hands worth etc
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on June 12, 2016, 01:42:54 PM
No one on 65k a week wants to live in Sandwell /Perry Barr/hands worth etc

And as far as I am aware none of our players do.

Try Four Oaks, Little Aston, Lichfield, Solihull, Leamington Spa or the Mail Box et.al.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 12, 2016, 06:38:21 PM
And as far as I am aware none of our players do.

Try Four Oaks, Little Aston, Lichfield, Solihull, Leamington Spa or the Mail Box et.al.
But you get my point, if we had a training ground on the outskirts of London we potentially would be a different proposition, it would have no effect on the stadium or fans but would impact on the team positively?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggyman68 on June 12, 2016, 09:18:32 PM
if tis all about London why do players sign for Manchester and Liverpool clubs?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on June 12, 2016, 09:33:10 PM
if tis all about London why do players sign for Manchester and Liverpool clubs?
Indeed. They don't live in Birkenhead, Toxteth or Salford, they live in the nice outskirts like Four Oaks is for the Albion players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 12, 2016, 09:52:26 PM
if tis all about London why do players sign for Manchester and Liverpool clubs?

Money and Prestige. Neither of which we have.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 12, 2016, 10:45:23 PM
Indeed. They don't live in Birkenhead, Toxteth or Salford, they live in the nice outskirts like Four Oaks is for the Albion players.
But we don't compete with Liverpool or the Manchester clubs for players, we may however compete with palace / Watford where London will be a draw to players or Swansea , Bournemouth,middlelsboro where if we had a base in London I feel we would be more attractive?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on June 13, 2016, 12:21:45 AM
While moving the training ground may on the face of it be of worth, here's a few random thoughts/questions off the top of my head before getting carried away with the idea.

How big is our current training ground with all its pitches etc?

What are property/land prices like in and around London?

The current training ground would fetch a decent wedge, but how much do we estimate the cost of a new training ground to be including land purchase etc?

How long do we expect the planning application for development to take?

Is there another sporting complex going for next to nothing a la West Ham which we could just modify at little cost to ourselves and maximum sponds to the tax payer?

Could we just purchase Hackney Marshes on the never never with a bonus for if we ever make it to Europe for anything other than running up and down hills during pre season?

What are the chances of expanding into the green belt?

If we were allowed to re develop brownfield land instead (highly unlikely) how much would it cost to decontaminate the soil in such a large area?

Will JP fund the relocation costs of the current playing staff and their incumbent entourages.
Remember, to our knowledge they're not asking to move down south?

Will we still be in the Premier League and able to afford the costs of any move?

If all of the above is actually doable then f(k it, why not move the Hawthorns down south too given the greater catchment area? Afterall, its not like the chairman has shown a reluctance for redevelopment and it would mean less travelling for him on match days.
 :-X  ;).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on June 13, 2016, 07:40:50 AM
Really do think he'll be at Palace for around 15 million come the end of the window
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 13, 2016, 08:10:26 AM
Really do think he'll be at Palace for around 15 million come the end of the window


what a come down for billy big boots
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on June 13, 2016, 08:23:59 AM
Really do think he'll be at Palace for around 15 million come the end of the window

Is the little chyte still here?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on June 13, 2016, 09:14:28 AM
But we don't compete with Liverpool or the Manchester clubs for players, we may however compete with palace / Watford where London will be a draw to players or Swansea , Bournemouth,middlelsboro where if we had a base in London I feel we would be more attractive?

Swansea and Bournemouth may be nicer parts of the country to live and play football compared to the Midlands but I think their style of football gives them the edge over us currently. Are Middlesbro a more attractive proposition than ourselves? Perhaps so. The only other Prem team we can really compete with over transfers IMO is Burnley.

The London base is a very interesting idea.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on June 13, 2016, 09:18:27 AM
If he ends up at a Palace or a Watford come the start of the season then that will be a massive blow to his ego.

For a lad who was playing up about moving to a top 4 team, to then move to a team at the same level as the club hes currently at, would be a pointless move for him.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbatillidie on June 13, 2016, 03:46:03 PM
I think people read into the area affecting players decisions too much. We've managed to attract high profile players like Rondon, Evans and Fletcher and are more than competitive with the wages we can offer players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on June 13, 2016, 04:01:52 PM
Talking about nice places to live in our area for potential signings,I would choose to live in the Cotswolds,what a beautiful part of the world only an hour's drive from the Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 13, 2016, 07:37:26 PM

what a come down for billy big boots

At the same time there'll also be a lot of egg on the faces of fans who wanted silly money for 'Billy big boots'.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 13, 2016, 09:25:31 PM
While moving the training ground may on the face of it be of worth, here's a few random thoughts/questions off the top of my head before getting carried away with the idea.

How big is our current training ground with all its pitches etc?

What are property/land prices like in and around London?

The current training ground would fetch a decent wedge, but how much do we estimate the cost of a new training ground to be including land purchase etc?

How long do we expect the planning application for development to take?

Is there another sporting complex going for next to nothing a la West Ham which we could just modify at little cost to ourselves and maximum sponds to the tax payer?

Could we just purchase Hackney Marshes on the never never with a bonus for if we ever make it to Europe for anything other than running up and down hills during pre season?

What are the chances of expanding into the green belt?

If we were allowed to re develop brownfield land instead (highly unlikely) how much would it cost to decontaminate the soil in such a large area?

Will JP fund the relocation costs of the current playing staff and their incumbent entourages.
Remember, to our knowledge they're not asking to move down south?

Will we still be in the Premier League and able to afford the costs of any move?

If all of the above is actually doable then f(k it, why not move the Hawthorns down south too given the greater catchment area? Afterall, its not like the chairman has shown a reluctance for redevelopment and it would mean less travelling for him on match days.
 :-X  ;).
I'm sure Jeremy lives down Walsall way?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on June 13, 2016, 10:47:18 PM
I'm sure Jeremy lives down Walsall way?

Bought a house in Jersey (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-jeremy-peace-house-10866686 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-jeremy-peace-house-10866686) ) and we have commercial offices in Belgravia (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2011/11/09/west-brom-open-commercial-office-in-central-london/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2011/11/09/west-brom-open-commercial-office-in-central-london/)).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on June 14, 2016, 06:04:11 PM
numerous reports saying stoke are still interested, for £5m .having a laugh, also new everton manager koeman wants berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 14, 2016, 06:53:07 PM
We'll be accepting £15m irrespective of wether its over 4 years. We're in a weak position.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 14, 2016, 09:32:22 PM
I can't believe anybody who has supported this club in the last decade would think that Peace will sell for any less than 20m. He'd rather run the contract down than let him go on the cheap.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on June 14, 2016, 09:38:11 PM
numerous reports saying stoke are still interested, for £5m .having a laugh, also new everton manager koeman wants berahino.

Reports like that are an insult for the simple reason we'd definitely get more than that even if he went on a "free" at the end of his contract like Ings did with Liverpool.

Reports of £5-8mill show that the writer knows feck all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 14, 2016, 09:40:53 PM
Reports like that are an insult for the simple reason we'd definitely get more than that even if he went on a "free" at the end of his contract like Ings did with Liverpool.

Reports of £5-8mill show that the writer knows feck all.

As long as he didn't go to a foreign club we would be set to get a record tribunal payout, certainly more than Ings due to how long Saido has been at the club and the bids of over £20m taken into account. Expect it would be north of £10m with all the add ons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: NathWBA on June 14, 2016, 11:00:47 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-ham-offered-transfer-swap-8193382  Mirror reported he is to be offered to West Ham in exchange for sakho.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 14, 2016, 11:29:34 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-ham-offered-transfer-swap-8193382  Mirror reported he is to be offered to West Ham in exchange for sakho.

I'd take that if we could tempt Sakho to sign. I think he would be a very good signing for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on June 15, 2016, 12:25:08 AM
Couple of things. Swap deals don't happen very often they are just too complicated and I'm not sure West Ham are even interested and being West Ham if they were they would have told the everyone and their dog by now.

I think people are being over optimistic about what we might get from a transfer panel. Firstly if he goes abroad then there is no panel and no fee. However aside from that everything hinges on him getting a regular start and 10 plus goals. If that doesn't happen then he won't be going to Liverpool or Spurs he will be going to Palace or Watford or if he's been really shocking the Championship in those circumstances we won't be getting anything near what Burnley got for Ings.

All that said £5m is a joke but we do need to sell this window.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2016, 06:39:10 AM
I'd take that if we could tempt Sakho to sign. I think he would be a very good signing for us.

We could tempt Messi to sign, but until we get players that can create chances for a front man then I think we're wasting our time to a certain extent and it puts undue pressure on a striker as soon as he takes to the pitch.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 15, 2016, 08:12:26 AM
As long as he didn't go to a foreign club we would be set to get a record tribunal payout, certainly more than Ings due to how long Saido has been at the club and the bids of over £20m taken into account. Expect it would be north of £10m with all the add ons.

Spurs offered £12m for Ins when he was due to end up out of contract. Liverpool will pay £8m at most. I wouldn't be surprised if he shafts us and signs for Celtic for a year! I still don't think we'll get an offer higher than £15m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 15, 2016, 09:38:09 AM
Spurs offered £12m for Ins when he was due to end up out of contract. Liverpool will pay £8m at most. I wouldn't be surprised if he shafts us and signs for Celtic for a year! I still don't think we'll get an offer higher than £15m.

Ings had only been at Burnley for just 4 years, Saido has been here for a good 10 or 11 years and they factor in those years of development. Also that was just one bid for Ings, we have two or three bids said to total over £20m from Spurs and Newcastle. Everything points to us getting a record tribunal fee, he needs to think about his career rather than trying to spite us and going abroad for a year.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 15, 2016, 11:14:49 AM
We could tempt Messi to sign, but until we get players that can create chances for a front man then I think we're wasting our time to a certain extent and it puts undue pressure on a striker as soon as he takes to the pitch.

Completely agree, but Pulis has already stated the need to bolster our attacking options. We will 100% be signing an attacking midfielder and new wingers. We also have Leko's emergence to consider as he looked like he could be a top class player for us, despite it being early days in his career. He has shown me enough already that he has the ability to tear defences apart with his skill and pace. I'm optimistic that we will be a more fluid attacking unit next season. We can afford to bring in a higher quality of player with the increase in TV money this year, so there is no reason why we shouldn't be a much stronger out fit come deadline day.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: slimboyfat1972 on June 15, 2016, 07:31:12 PM
John Percy on Twitter: "Stoke open talks to sign Saido Berahino from West Brom in potential £15m deal #scfc #wba via @telefootball https://t.co/M7syvaHoR4"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on June 15, 2016, 07:35:57 PM
John Percy on Twitter: "Stoke open talks to sign Saido Berahino from West Brom in potential £15m deal #scfc #wba via @telefootball https://t.co/M7syvaHoR4"

Cash in! Come next summer he will go for nothing!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on June 15, 2016, 08:57:54 PM
John Percy on Twitter: "Stoke open talks to sign Saido Berahino from West Brom in potential £15m deal #scfc #wba via @telefootball https://t.co/M7syvaHoR4"

Can see JP holding out for around £20 mill
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on June 15, 2016, 09:16:56 PM
If that's their first bid there is always room for upwards negotiation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 15, 2016, 09:18:33 PM
Cash in! Come next summer he will go for nothing!

He won't go for nothing unless he goes to a foreign club. We would be in line for a record pay out via tribunal due to his age, it could easily go above £10m with add ons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 15, 2016, 09:22:46 PM
Realistically Stoke may be his best option this summer after the way he acted last year, could see him do well there but its hardly the massive club he wanted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 15, 2016, 09:34:55 PM
Ings had only been at Burnley for just 4 years, Saido has been here for a good 10 or 11 years and they factor in those years of development. Also that was just one bid for Ings, we have two or three bids said to total over £20m from Spurs and Newcastle. Everything points to us getting a record tribunal fee, he needs to think about his career rather than trying to spite us and going abroad for a year.

We'll get shafted and they'll just give us a huge sell on fee percentage. Ings also had an English cap but Saido's U21 record is exemplary. It'll certainly be interesting but we'll have to wait a year for any money in any case.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on June 15, 2016, 10:05:11 PM
I think we are entering the end game here. Yes we could take the chance on a tribunal but even a record settlement won't be £15m and I think we may be able to squeeze Stoke up a little closer to £20m.

The argument for sticking to our guns and taking our chances with a tribunal relies on us getting a tune out of Berahino and our past experience hasn't been good. Equally any tribunal deal will include add-ons and given his slightly flakey temperament I don't think that Berahino will necessarily trigger those add-ons.

Time to take the money and run.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MBWBA on June 16, 2016, 09:12:33 AM
Can see him running down his contract and getting a big signing on fee when he goes somewhere else.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on June 16, 2016, 09:27:03 AM
Cash in, he doesn't fit in here. He will have a good six months or so at his next club initially and then go off the boil again is my prediction and this I think will be his career...........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on June 16, 2016, 09:39:50 AM
JP will not let him go for less than 20 million, and has all the ace's. Poor old saido is on 15 k a week so if he decides to run down contract peace is still quids
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on June 16, 2016, 10:48:47 AM
That is still 15k a week wasted.
JP will not let him go for less than 20 million, and has all the ace's. Poor old saido is on 15 k a week so if he decides to run down contract peace is still quids
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 16, 2016, 11:07:44 AM
That is still 15k a week wasted.

No it's not because Saido will have learned his lesson in how not putting the work is detrimental to his own future. He's going to want to impress potential suitors to drive up his wage demands on a free. He'll be gone soon anyway but if he did stay, he will have a better season than the last.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on June 25, 2016, 10:41:55 PM
Reports suggest he's off to Stoke for 16 million, 70,000 a week
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on June 25, 2016, 10:45:58 PM
Saido to Stoke for £16 mil according to the mirror,perhaps that's why we've bid ,have we?, for Vazquez.
Stoke is becoming full of troubled players.
I don't see Stoke as an upward step do you guys?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on June 25, 2016, 10:46:21 PM
Reports suggest he's off to Stoke for 16 million, 70,000 a week
seems a bit cheap compared to Watford turning down £25m plus for deeney.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on June 25, 2016, 10:55:42 PM
The Mirror article in full

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/saido-berahino-join-stoke-16million-8281938?

Saido Berahino to join Stoke in £16million deal after West Brom finally agree to sell him
22:30, 25 JUN 2016
BY NEIL MOXLEY

The forward almost left the Hawthorns for Spurs last summer, but is now heading to join Mark Hughes at the Britannia

Saido Berahino will join Stoke City in a £16million deal in the week ahead, writes Neil Moxley in the Sunday People.

The West Bromwich Albion forward has been offered a £70,000-a-week package to join Mark Hughes at the bet365 Stadium and will pen a long-term contract.

The two clubs have now reached agreement over a transfer fee that will see the 22-year-old make the switch to the Potters.

Earlier this week, the Baggies rejected a £15m offer, but after failing to elicit further interest from Premier League clubs, the deal was re-kindled.

Berahino had attracted interest from Newcastle United in the January transfer window, but Baggies chairman Jeremy Peace rejected a £21m bid.

Hughes has a history of taking on and developing wayward talents, with Stephen Ireland and Marko Arnautovic both seeing their form improve after working with him.


Has a ring of credibility to it. Deeney has 4 years on his contract and hasn't thrown his toys out of the pram Watford are in a much stronger negotiating position. 


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on June 25, 2016, 11:01:23 PM
I'd like to think we have certain adds ons attached and the 16mill is the basic amount. 
Not much of a forward move from him but if he goes there and progresses he'll get a bigger move from there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on June 25, 2016, 11:02:32 PM
seems a bit cheap compared to Watford turning down £25m plus for deeney.

As much as I agree on potential and quality, you have to respect that's he's been poor for 18 months or so.

23 at the start of the season and he's probably had 18 months at best when he's been any good.

16 million is a fair price in my opinion. We wouldn't get that at a tribunal and I wouldn't see us getting much out of him next season if he stayed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 25, 2016, 11:22:21 PM
seems a bit cheap compared to Watford turning down £25m plus for deeney.

It's simple he's in the last year of his contract while Deeney had about 4 years left on his. Then compare the last season they both had, between £15m and £20m is about right I reckon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ABaggie on June 25, 2016, 11:27:22 PM
Neil Moxley has regulalry written articles about Berahino. All have turned out to be rubbish. No reason to think this is any different.

I'll believe it when i see it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albertbaggie on June 25, 2016, 11:31:38 PM
Neil Moxley has regulalry written articles about Berahino. All have turned out to be rubbish. No reason to think this is any different.

I'll believe it when i see it
Me too. John Percy is the only journalist I tend to look for news from nowadays
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 25, 2016, 11:31:43 PM
I'd like to think we have certain adds ons attached and the 16mill is the basic amount. 
Not much of a forward move from him but if he goes there and progresses he'll get a bigger move from there.

If he does sign for Stoke and expects to use them as a stepping stone to bigger things he might have a rude awakening unless he scores 20 goals a season for the next couple of years. He would sign a long term contract and unless there was a release clause then they wouldn't be bullied into selling him if a bigger club comes in so he could end up in a similar position as he was with us last summer at some point, would be interesting to see how he would handle it if it happened.

As pointed out though the source of this latest story hasn't been the most reliable in the past either way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on June 25, 2016, 11:41:35 PM
If it's true then it looks about right with a year left on his contract.

Would be good to get it done quickly and to get our squad strengthened as quickly as possible.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on June 26, 2016, 07:21:40 AM
Hope its true.
Good riddance
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 26, 2016, 10:49:28 AM
Hope its true.
Good riddance

Same here, the most disruptive footballer going, he won't last long there either
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on June 26, 2016, 10:58:37 AM
John Percy on the alleged Berahino deal;

"@fentonstokie @Heronman68 @DannyPenfold nothing agreed yet, still talking. Believe west brom have got bigger issues at present (t/o). Sorry!"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on June 26, 2016, 11:03:38 AM
Can we ask for it in euros? :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on June 26, 2016, 01:49:38 PM
John Percy believes west brom have bigger issues at present??
Vasquez or takeover?? Or even possibly both 😳???
Anyone know anything more?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on June 26, 2016, 01:52:06 PM
I'm dubious on this, it was rumoured that there is an extra year option in the clubs favour as well, anything less than £20million is too cheap IMHO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on June 26, 2016, 01:53:22 PM
"T/O" almost certainly means takeover
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 26, 2016, 03:38:08 PM
T/O....Toffee Opple in Black Country dialect.  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on June 26, 2016, 06:37:37 PM
I don't think we have an option for an extra year I feel sure the club would have mentioned it last summer when we were knocking back Spurs advances.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: section5 on June 26, 2016, 07:19:39 PM
Im sure there was an interview Pulis mentioned it.. will find it if i can be bothered haha
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on June 26, 2016, 07:34:45 PM
Has he gone yet?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 26, 2016, 07:49:35 PM
Im sure there was an interview Pulis mentioned it.. will find it if i can be bothered haha

He did he mentioned it to Sky after a game. It was never questioned at the time by the press as far as I know but I think it was probably him getting his wires crossed as it was never mentioned when he signed the new deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on June 27, 2016, 07:10:05 AM
If that was Brexit, this must be Sexit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on June 27, 2016, 09:47:37 AM
If that was Brexit, this must be Sexit.

More like Pratxit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on June 27, 2016, 10:04:13 AM
More like Pratxit.
Cexit? ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on June 27, 2016, 10:05:06 AM
Cexit? ;)

Good one!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 27, 2016, 10:11:03 AM
bigtit
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 27, 2016, 10:37:38 AM
Blankit ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on June 27, 2016, 12:20:09 PM
Nobrot  :o

just thought I'd chuck a random one in
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tambag on June 27, 2016, 12:34:18 PM
Blankit ?

Isn't that one of Wacko Jacko's kids ?  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 27, 2016, 03:14:10 PM
£16m up front for him? Snap their clay covered hands off.

Would be nice to bring an end to this saga early on in the window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 27, 2016, 03:15:32 PM
the more money he gets the more arrogant
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on June 28, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
Southampton we would be good for him, and we could gouge out a better price as they have the Mane money. And its a long way away.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on June 28, 2016, 11:16:34 AM
Southampton we would be good for him, and we could gouge out a better price as they have the Mane money. And its a long way away.
A strike force of Long, and Berahino. Mouthwatering.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on June 28, 2016, 05:02:54 PM
A strike force of Long, and Berahino. Mouthwatering.

To be fair, Berahino with Arnautovic, Bojan and Shaqiri behind him is not something I look forward to playing against
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on June 28, 2016, 09:27:06 PM
To be fair, Berahino with Arnautovic, Bojan and Shaqiri behind him is not something I look forward to playing against

Until one of them throws a tantrum mid-week and gets into trouble off the pitch. They are all massively talented but also come with baggage. Hughes has controlled them, for now - but adding another ego could be a move too far.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 28, 2016, 09:57:49 PM
Until one of them throws a tantrum mid-week and gets into trouble off the pitch. They are all massively talented but also come with baggage. Hughes has controlled them, for now - but adding another ego could be a move too far.
But more exciting than watching anichebe and Lambo NOT throwing a tantrum?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on July 05, 2016, 09:22:33 AM
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2016/03/06/tottenham-will-finally-sign-saido-berahino-this-summer-after-deal-agreed-in-principle-with-west-brom/

Saido Berahino will finally get his move from West Bromwich Albion to Tottenham Hotspur at the end of the season, according to The Guardian.

The Guardian reports that the Baggies have agreed in principle to allow the striker to leave for Spurs after two transfer windows of uncertainty and speculation.

Chairmen Jeremy Peace and Daniel Levy clashed as Tottenham had four bids rejected for Berahino last summer, after the 22-year-old’s transfer request.

But The Guardian understands that the hatchet has been buried and Peace and Levy will sit down in the summer and come to an agreement over Berahino.

Stoke City and Newcastle United made attempts to sign Berahino in January – but West Brom were not going to sell last month and Spurs respected that – The Guardian adds.

But the Guardian reports that there is now an acceptance that the Burundi-born forward will be sold at the end of the season, when his contract will have only one year remaining.

Berahino has scored seven goals for Albion this season despite limited game time. He managed 20 in all competitions last season, including 14 in the Premier League.


Looks like he's getting what he wanted after all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on July 05, 2016, 09:24:42 AM
That article is from March!! I'm sure he'd had already moved if it was true
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on July 05, 2016, 09:25:45 AM
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2016/03/06/tottenham-will-finally-sign-saido-berahino-this-summer-after-deal-agreed-in-principle-with-west-brom/

Saido Berahino will finally get his move from West Bromwich Albion to Tottenham Hotspur at the end of the season, according to The Guardian.

The Guardian reports that the Baggies have agreed in principle to allow the striker to leave for Spurs after two transfer windows of uncertainty and speculation.

Chairmen Jeremy Peace and Daniel Levy clashed as Tottenham had four bids rejected for Berahino last summer, after the 22-year-old’s transfer request.

But The Guardian understands that the hatchet has been buried and Peace and Levy will sit down in the summer and come to an agreement over Berahino.

Stoke City and Newcastle United made attempts to sign Berahino in January – but West Brom were not going to sell last month and Spurs respected that – The Guardian adds.

But the Guardian reports that there is now an acceptance that the Burundi-born forward will be sold at the end of the season, when his contract will have only one year remaining.

Berahino has scored seven goals for Albion this season despite limited game time. He managed 20 in all competitions last season, including 14 in the Premier League.


Looks like he's getting what he wanted after all.

surely that is a piece written in february, a lot of water has flowed since then, I would imagine that spurs have many irons in the fire currently.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on July 05, 2016, 09:27:22 AM
Didn't spot the date i was to annoyed thinking he was getting his wish granted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 05, 2016, 09:45:29 AM
I just want our wish of him to be gone from our club (preferably for a nice £20m fee) to be granted.

I look at the lad and laugh nowadays. When he does finally go, it will be to a club no better than the one he was at after wasting a year and a half of his career and he will just be another cog in the machine at that club, whereas with us he could have been a club legend having come through the academy and fired us to glory.

What a silly boy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on July 05, 2016, 09:50:07 AM
I just want our wish of him to be gone from our club (preferably for a nice £20m fee) to be granted.

I look at the lad and laugh nowadays. When he does finally go, it will be to a club no better than the one he was at after wasting a year and a half of his career and he will just be another cog in the machine at that club, whereas with us he could have been a club legend having come through the academy and fired us to glory.

What a silly boy.

If he had kept his head down, cracked on, no dramas, continued his form, he would have gone to the Euros instead of Rashford.

Instead hes wasted 18 months of his career, will make a sideways career move and I have zero sympathy for the little brat.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 05, 2016, 12:57:51 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/05/watford-ready-to-bid-for-saido-berahino-after-stoke-refuse-to-ma/

Watford ready to bid for Saido Berahino after Stoke refuse to match West Brom's £20million valuation

    John Percy

5 July 2016 • 12:43pm

Watford are emerging as serious contenders to sign Saido Berahino and are set to make an official bid this week.

Berahino is high on Watford’s list of summer targets and new head coach Walter Mazzarri is ready to rival Stoke City in the chase to sign the West Bromwich Albion striker.

The England under-21 international will be allowed to leave the Hawthorns for a fee of around £20million and it is believed Watford are ready to table an offer over the next few days.

Stoke have been in negotiations over a possible deal for Berahino for the past three weeks but are reluctant to pay over £15million for a player with only one year left on his contract.
Mark Hughes and Stoke made a verbal offer for the striker last week
Mark Hughes and Stoke made a verbal offer for the striker last week - but it's nowhere near West Brom's valuation Credit: Reuters

Telegraph Sport understands Stoke made a verbal offer last week but the two clubs are still some way part on valuation, with Watford now hoping to jump in and sign the 22-year-old.
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Watford have already signed Nigeria international Isaac Success for a club record fee while chief executive Scott Duxbury succeeded in persuading captain Troy Deeney to sign a new deal despite interest from Premier League champions Leicester City.

But Berahino is another priority target and Watford will firm up their interest with a formal bid to test the resolve of Albion chairman Jeremy Peace.
Jeremy Peace's resolve will be tested over the next couple of months with Berahino out of contract next summer
Jeremy Peace's resolve will be tested over the next couple of months with Berahino out of contract next summer Credit: PA

West Brom rejected four bids from Tottenham Hotspur last summer – with the last offer totalling £23million – while they waved away interest from Newcastle and Stoke in January.

Berahino endured a difficult season, scoring only four Premier League goals, but seems certain to be playing for a new club next month.

Meanwhile, West Brom are set to announce the £5million signing of Matt Phillips, the Queens Park Rangers winger.

Phillips is having a medical at West Brom’s training ground today and is expected to sign a three-year deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 05, 2016, 01:14:23 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/05/watford-ready-to-bid-for-saido-berahino-after-stoke-refuse-to-ma/

Watford ready to bid for Saido Berahino after Stoke refuse to match West Brom's £20million valuation

    John Percy

5 July 2016 • 12:43pm

Watford are emerging as serious contenders to sign Saido Berahino and are set to make an official bid this week.

Berahino is high on Watford’s list of summer targets and new head coach Walter Mazzarri is ready to rival Stoke City in the chase to sign the West Bromwich Albion striker.

The England under-21 international will be allowed to leave the Hawthorns for a fee of around £20million and it is believed Watford are ready to table an offer over the next few days.

Stoke have been in negotiations over a possible deal for Berahino for the past three weeks but are reluctant to pay over £15million for a player with only one year left on his contract.
Mark Hughes and Stoke made a verbal offer for the striker last week
Mark Hughes and Stoke made a verbal offer for the striker last week - but it's nowhere near West Brom's valuation Credit: Reuters

Telegraph Sport understands Stoke made a verbal offer last week but the two clubs are still some way part on valuation, with Watford now hoping to jump in and sign the 22-year-old.
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Watford have already signed Nigeria international Isaac Success for a club record fee while chief executive Scott Duxbury succeeded in persuading captain Troy Deeney to sign a new deal despite interest from Premier League champions Leicester City.

But Berahino is another priority target and Watford will firm up their interest with a formal bid to test the resolve of Albion chairman Jeremy Peace.
Jeremy Peace's resolve will be tested over the next couple of months with Berahino out of contract next summer
Jeremy Peace's resolve will be tested over the next couple of months with Berahino out of contract next summer Credit: PA

West Brom rejected four bids from Tottenham Hotspur last summer – with the last offer totalling £23million – while they waved away interest from Newcastle and Stoke in January.

Berahino endured a difficult season, scoring only four Premier League goals, but seems certain to be playing for a new club next month.

Meanwhile, West Brom are set to announce the £5million signing of Matt Phillips, the Queens Park Rangers winger.

Phillips is having a medical at West Brom’s training ground today and is expected to sign a three-year deal.

Is this the point where Berahino refuses to play for us again after we deny him his "dream move" to Stoke?

A straight swap with Igahlo would do nicely for me, but I just can't see Berahino agreeing to go to Watford.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on July 05, 2016, 01:14:57 PM
Saido from Benin,   Success from Benin city ! :o

I hope the e-mail to watford recruitment department wasn't mis-translated !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 05, 2016, 02:13:23 PM
Saido from Benin,   Success from Benin city ! :o

I hope the e-mail to watford recruitment department wasn't mis-translated !
Saido isn't from Benin.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 05, 2016, 02:36:10 PM
the clayheads all upset Watford might pip them, just go now SB and upset some other clubs pre season and so on
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on July 05, 2016, 02:39:04 PM
Saido isn't from Benin.

My bad, Burundi !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 05, 2016, 02:41:42 PM
Good news if Watford are genuinely interested so we can hopefully play the two clubs off against each other and with a bit of luck get what we want for him.

When he does go though I will always look back on his time here with some sadness as he had all the ability needed to become a real top player and been hero worshiped by us instead of us being desperate for him to sod off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on July 05, 2016, 02:43:22 PM
Good news if Watford are genuinely interested so we can hopefully play the two clubs off against each other and with a bit of luck get what we want for him.

With the money being thrown around at the minute, it wouldn't surprise me if we got £20m+ anyway
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 05, 2016, 02:53:57 PM
With the money being thrown around at the minute, it wouldn't surprise me if we got £20m+ anyway


can you imagine us throwing around the money thats being thrown around at the minute, unless speculation Mr Li aint going to the Wolves and its us really :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on July 05, 2016, 03:52:23 PM

can you imagine us throwing around the money thats being thrown around at the minute, unless speculation Mr Li aint going to the Wolves and its us really :)

We might not, but other clubs are.

I think we will bring someone in that will shock a few in terms of fee. £15m+
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on July 06, 2016, 02:59:33 PM
Watford continue to monitor Saido Berahino’s situation at West Brom, Sky sources understand.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on July 06, 2016, 03:09:20 PM
Watford continue to monitor Saido Berahino’s situation at West Brom, Sky sources understand.

And in other news grass is Green and the sky is Blue. Sorry but I do have to laugh at what Sky Sports report sometimes based on their "sources"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 08, 2016, 01:00:34 PM
Big twist here. John Percy has tweeted that we have offered him a new 4 year deal in the midst of offers from Stoke and Watford. Interesting
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on July 08, 2016, 01:02:21 PM
There's no way we would offer him a contract without him giving a hint that he will sign it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on July 08, 2016, 01:03:51 PM
i wouldnt offer him one and defiently not a payrise...complete joke if its true the way hes acted
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 08, 2016, 01:07:58 PM
Big twist here. John Percy has tweeted that we have offered him a new 4 year deal in the midst of offers from Stoke and Watford. Interesting

The clubs who he is attracting offers from are no better than us, some, a step down in reality.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on July 08, 2016, 01:08:47 PM
There's no way we would offer him a contract without him giving a hint that he will sign it

Could this be a ruse to inflate his price?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on July 08, 2016, 01:09:01 PM
i wouldnt offer him one and defiently not a payrise...complete joke if its true the way hes acted

Let's face it the bloke is a pain in the backside at the best of times but the fact of the matter is on his day he is a quality finisher and easily one of our better players. If he is going to sign this deal he needs to keep his head down stay off social media and be professional. I think this is a excellent deal for all parties (should he sign the contract)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on July 08, 2016, 01:16:53 PM
I can only hope that he has seen the clubs in for him, thought 'Oh'! and decided he is best of staying signing a new deal, getting back to scoring goals  and his move will come then without anyone denying it

If he stays and plays as we know he can then I will be happy as we have a def 20 goals a season striker
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 08, 2016, 01:19:52 PM
Perhaps we've realised that we have no chance of bringing in any of our targets and letting him go would be a mistake. When he's on his game there's no denying he's a good player. Certainly one we'd struggle to improve on. The problem is that we'll never get to see him playing in his best position here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on July 08, 2016, 01:23:26 PM
Let's face it the bloke is a pain in the backside at the best of times but the fact of the matter is on his day he is a quality finisher and easily one of our better players. If he is going to sign this deal he needs to keep his head down stay off social media and be professional. I think this is a excellent deal for all parties (should he sign the contract)
This 100%
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on July 08, 2016, 01:26:24 PM
It will cost us more money to replace him than what we will get for him.

Was watching some videos of his shooting practise on instagram and he looks sharp.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 08, 2016, 01:29:20 PM
is he in Austria with the rest, might go visit the Oatcake :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 08, 2016, 01:34:42 PM
I can only hope that he has seen the clubs in for him, thought 'Oh'! and decided he is best of staying signing a new deal, getting back to scoring goals  and his move will come then without anyone denying it

If he stays and plays as we know he can then I will be happy as we have a def 20 goals a season striker

Where do you see him playing though. For me he has to be up front and not behind the striker. 4-4-2 doesn't suit us and I can't see Rondon being sacrificed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on July 08, 2016, 01:35:44 PM
is he in Austria with the rest, might go visit the Oatcake :)
yes saw a picture of him running up a hill on twitter with Morrison!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on July 08, 2016, 01:36:23 PM
A gamble all round. I'm not sure a striker is really a position you'll develop well as under Pulis at all, nowhere near enough to feed off.

Still, Stoke and Watford barely scored anymore last season either so he's not exactly swimming in options. Maybe best gambling on a repeat season of his previous.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 08, 2016, 01:36:43 PM
It's "smell the coffee" time for him.  He realises that neither Stoke or Watford are a step up, and he's not interested in signing a 4-year contract to go to either club.  Is better off staying here, getting his head down and if he succeeds then he will eventually get a big move.

He said he wasn't willing to play for Jeremy Peace, but if the club gets sold then that won't be an issue any longer.

I do worry, as other posters have, that if he's played out of his best position then we won't get much out of him, and/or that he will soon get disillusioned again, so it's going to be very interesting to see else we sign up front (assuming he signs his new contract).

All very interesting.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on July 08, 2016, 01:39:02 PM
I imagine it will be a case of sign this, earn more money, if you get back to a decent level and a top 6 club offers over 20m in future, you will have it in writing within the contact that you can leave.

Could be win win if he aspires and has the drive to get his head back in the game. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 08, 2016, 01:40:34 PM
I imagine it will be a case of sign this, earn more money, if you get back to a decent level and a top 6 club offers over 20m in future, you will have it in writing within the contact that you can leave.

Could be win win if he aspires and has the drive to get his head back in the game. 
Where do you see him playing though. For me he has to be up front and not behind the striker. 4-4-2 doesn't suit us and I can't see Rondon being sacrificed.

Can't help thinking that something may be going on with our centre midfield.  Maybe Yacob being sold?  Maybe less reliance on a "back 7" this season?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie953 on July 08, 2016, 01:43:52 PM
I wasn't expecting this, very interesting if true??

Birmingham Mail:

Albion have offered striker Saido Berahino a new contract, the Birmingham Mail understands.

The 22-year-old, currently in Austria with Tony Pulis and the rest of the team, has only one year left on the deal he signed back in 2013.
After a fruitful season in 2014-15 where he caught the eye following an impressive haul of 20 goals, he was the subject of serious interest from Tottenham.
A third and fourth bid were rejected by the club on transfer deadline day last summer - leading to an infamous tweet from the striker himself.
While this summer Albion were thought to be willing to listen to offers of around £20m, Stoke City's valuation of £16m was not enough.
Watford also hold an interest in Berahino, with doubts over the future of Odion Ighalo.

The new offer from the Baggies is thought to be a considerable jump in wages.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-transfer-news-saido-11587635
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 08, 2016, 01:44:19 PM
I imagine it will be a case of sign this, earn more money, if you get back to a decent level and a top 6 club offers over 20m in future, you will have it in writing within the contact that you can leave.

Could be win win if he aspires and has the drive to get his head back in the game.

It's what should have happened previously but he refused to re-sign, believing that a bigger club like Spurs would buy him, and then Newcastle getting relegated killed that option.  West Ham and Palace (not a bigger club!) both expressed interest but have moved in with far bigger/better options.  Southampton I think might have been an attractive option for him, but neither Stoke nor Watford were what he had in mind.

A rejuvenated Berahino playing in his correct position is well worth keeping.  Anything less and it's very questionable.



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on July 08, 2016, 01:51:11 PM
Where do you see him playing though. For me he has to be up front and not behind the striker. 4-4-2 doesn't suit us and I can't see Rondon being sacrificed.

It didn't look bad when it was Berahino and Ideye.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on July 08, 2016, 01:55:22 PM
I wasn't expecting this, very interesting if true??

Birmingham Mail:

Albion have offered striker Saido Berahino a new contract, the Birmingham Mail understands.

The 22-year-old, currently in Austria with Tony Pulis and the rest of the team, has only one year left on the deal he signed back in 2013.
After a fruitful season in 2014-15 where he caught the eye following an impressive haul of 20 goals, he was the subject of serious interest from Tottenham.
A third and fourth bid were rejected by the club on transfer deadline day last summer - leading to an infamous tweet from the striker himself.
While this summer Albion were thought to be willing to listen to offers of around £20m, Stoke City's valuation of £16m was not enough.
Watford also hold an interest in Berahino, with doubts over the future of Odion Ighalo.

The new offer from the Baggies is thought to be a considerable jump in wages.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-transfer-news-saido-11587635

doesn't surprise me TBH as we need to protect his resale value. Doesn't mean that we don't want to sell it just protects us and gives him a pay rise
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on July 08, 2016, 01:56:00 PM
Would not be surprised if he opted to stay, refused all clubs interested and signed for club abroad next year, we end up with nothing!  For that would be the ultimate revenge on JP, would not be surprised if that was in his thinking. Accept any sensible offer and hope he signs, if he doesnt the club could lose out big time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 08, 2016, 02:00:50 PM
The Express & Star say it will significantly increase his current £15k a week wage.

That's a great lesson in life eh, throw your toys out the pram, down tools and slag off your employer before doing jack sh*t for a year and you will be rewarded with a bumper pay increase.

No wonder so many are falling out of love with the game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 08, 2016, 02:01:38 PM
An interesting twist to a long saga. Can't help but think it's designed to push up his price. Considering the money being spent on average players at the moment, unless a similar sized club were willing to cough up more than 20m up front I don't think we should be in any hurry. I can't see him being desperate to play for Stoke or Watford anytime soon either (no offence to you Stokelad)? Looking at potential replacements who would add something to the squad, we'd have to pay at least 15m up front to buy someone who is potentially capable of scoring 10+ goals in a premier league season - something Berahino could also do.

I've been against him staying because of him being a plonker but perhaps he now has more to lose than us by not playing well as he'll be forever plying his trade at lower prem teams or worse, no better off than he has been at Albion, in fact probably worse because some of those teams already have more than one decent striker unlike us so he could begin as a sub at Stoke or Watford - hardly the champions league target he set himself.

If he really is to stay (is committed), I'd be interested to give him 10 games up front with Rondon, Phillips on the right, a decent central attacking midfielder and a left winger who can deliver better quality than McLean......as I think that set up would have more goals in it you'd imagine?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on July 08, 2016, 02:03:21 PM
It's "smell the coffee" time for him.  He realises that neither Stoke or Watford are a step up, and he's not interested in signing a 4-year contract to go to either club.  Is better off staying here, getting his head down and if he succeeds then he will eventually get a big move.

He said he wasn't willing to play for Jeremy Peace, but if the club gets sold then that won't be an issue any longer.
I do worry, as other posters have, that if he's played out of his best position then we won't get much out of him, and/or that he will soon get disillusioned again, so it's going to be very interesting to see else we sign up front (assuming he signs his new contract).

All very interesting.

Interesting point, maybe the potential new owners have stressed the importance to keep him, and want to tie down an 'asset' before they takeover?

All ifs and buts.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on July 08, 2016, 02:11:20 PM
Likely that he will have a release fee clause in there
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 08, 2016, 02:33:30 PM
It didn't look bad when it was Berahino and Ideye.

For a handful of games maybe but we look much better as a 4-5-1 (or a 8-1-1 as it is under Pulis).  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 08, 2016, 03:07:24 PM
There's no way we would offer him a contract without him giving a hint that he will sign it

The terms of new contract offers are taken into account when deciding on a tribunal fee, you also have to have offered them new terms to even get a fee from tibunal as far as I know.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: superbobgod on July 08, 2016, 03:10:57 PM
B_H_Baggie makes a good point.

+ I also think this will be takeover led, one way or the other. It maybe that JP has seen the market place re a replacement forward and wont spend the TV money on a £15-20m replacement and is keeping it!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on July 08, 2016, 03:17:09 PM
The terms of new contract offers are taken into account when deciding on a tribunal fee, you also have to have offered them new terms to even get a fee from tibunal as far as I know.

So could be a clever ploy from the club to show that they have offered him a 4 year deal worth say 45k a week, just to back our case that he is worth £10-15million at a tribunal.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 08, 2016, 03:35:23 PM
So could be a clever ploy from the club to show that they have offered him a 4 year deal worth say 45k a week, just to back our case that he is worth £10-15million at a tribunal.



Not saying its definitely the case but it could well be but I reckon to help us in a tribunal case it will be more than £45k-a-week, bang average players get handed that kind of money these days and probably wouldn't help our case that much.

It could also be that Saido has had a change of heart knowing its only sides like Stoke and Watford that have made any real move to take him, not the massive step up he wanted. Lets remember in the time he's been sulking he's only been earning £15k-a-week so he's been missing out big time on what he could have been getting. I said from the start he should have been open to trying to agree a new deal with the club once the Spurs move fell through but with a minimum fee release clause added to suit him and the club, if he had got his head down and performed then that big move would have come and he would have been earning at least double what he has been the last year.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on July 08, 2016, 03:41:26 PM
This is Jeremy Peace's new game of poker. Get Berahino to sign a new contract with a 20 million transfer clause in it and cash in when that offer is made.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Uncle Peter on July 08, 2016, 03:41:58 PM
It does make good sense to Berahino in the medium to long term, he stays, plays well he then comes back on the radar of the top teams in the UK rather than Watford, Stoke etc.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B714LF on July 08, 2016, 05:50:18 PM
I can't stand this subject. I want rid. I'll take my chances with anybody else for the same money based on what he's done. Give him a new contract then it's just a matter of time before the same thing happens.

Overrated. Get rid!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on July 08, 2016, 06:05:53 PM
Think this was always going to happen this summer with the clubs that have been linked, he needs to kick on regardless at the moment at 22 he has his career ahead of him now and most lads his age would take a huge pay rise with a release fee inserted.
You never know but the lad might actually have seen the light!😳😂
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 08, 2016, 06:27:44 PM
Well this a bit of a turn up for the books. I truly have no idea what to make of this.

Possibilities

1. Total ploy by the club to extract maximum from a tribunal next year therefore strengthening our current negotiating position it also forces the other clubs to offer a similar amount in wages which makes him more expensive. 
2. The penny has dropped with Saido and he realises that Stoke Watford or Southampton aren't much better options than us

There are all sorts of possibilities concerning release clauses takeovers etc... but basically it all boils down to a variation on one of the above.

How I feel about it rather depends on what I'm getting. A fit focussed scoring Saido is better than anything we are likely to buy with the sort of fee that is currently being discussed. If played in a sympathetic tactical environment I would be delighted. However last year's model playing behind the striker wouldn't be worth his own body weight in tap washers.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on July 08, 2016, 06:31:02 PM
It does make good sense to Berahino in the medium to long term, he stays, plays well he then comes back on the radar of the top teams in the UK rather than Watford, Stoke etc.
    Also earns an extra 50 Grand a week,bit of a no brainer if he's got any sense
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 08, 2016, 06:36:28 PM
If he signs a 4 year contract, Peace will be asking for over 30 mil. Unless a takeover is imminent...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on July 08, 2016, 07:06:01 PM
would prefer him to be sold, he will never change and will throw a strop at anytime so where does that leave us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Wbahunty on July 09, 2016, 10:31:35 AM
Must keep him, give him 70k and get him scoring
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 09, 2016, 11:02:26 AM
I think he needs to move for the sake of both parties. He won't flourish under TP as he will be played out of position. If he does go I have no faith in the club whatsoever in signing a quality replacement.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on July 09, 2016, 11:05:05 AM
I have said before that he was being paid peanuts for a premier league striker. I can see his point for wanting to go when he see's what the likes of Harry Kane are on, but that is no excuse for his attitude and conduct.
A professional  player should get his head down and leave his agent to do the contract side of business.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 09, 2016, 11:17:35 AM
would prefer him to be sold, he will never change and will throw a strop at anytime so where does that leave us.


same here, he will always be disruptive
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 09, 2016, 01:45:54 PM
would prefer him to be sold, he will never change and will throw a strop at anytime so where does that leave us.
Indeed. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if giving him a huge pay rise would make him even more of a prima donna, as it's likely to inflate his already outsized ego still further.

I really can't see that paying him more will improve his attitude or his performances. Getting his head down just doesn't seem to be in his personaility, unfortunately. Sticking him out on the wing, as Pulis often does, won't help either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on July 09, 2016, 04:00:03 PM
Indeed. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if giving him a huge pay rise would make him even more of a prima donna, as it's likely to inflate his already outsized ego still further.

I really can't see that paying him more will improve his attitude or his performances. Getting his head down just doesn't seem to be in his personaility, unfortunately. Sticking him out on the wing, as Pulis often does, won't help either.
I'd argue both playing him wide and more likely behind Rondon will make Saido a better overall player , if he wants to go to the very top his passing  , awareness and vision must improve.....and like his career for me those things have stalled the last 12 months.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on July 09, 2016, 04:18:40 PM
This is an easy one for everyone involved. We want £20m and he wants to go, as the months go by his price lowers but we are less likely to sell. He signs a new deal with a bigger salary and a £20m buy out clause. Someone pays that and us and Saido both get what they want.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 09, 2016, 04:48:04 PM
I'd argue both playing him wide and more likely behind Rondon will make Saido a better overall player , if he wants to go to the very top his passing  , awareness and vision must improve.....and like his career for me those things have stalled the last 12 months.
That can only happen if he's minded to improve, rather than sulking because he's not playing as a striker. Every time he's been played out wide previously, the latter has happened IMO so far, so it's hard to see it being any different in the future if he stays with us. It might be a different story if he goes to a club that he deems to be worthy of having his services, but not with us I wouldn't have thought.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on July 09, 2016, 08:04:12 PM
 Reportedly being offered 65k pw. Can't help thinking if he had been on only half of that we wouldn't have seen the tantrums.
Only on 15k pw because Jeremy didn't think him mature enough to have anymore.  :)

What is he, his dad?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on July 09, 2016, 08:58:23 PM
Reportedly being offered 65k pw. Can't help thinking if he had been on only half of that we wouldn't have seen the tantrums.
Only on 15k pw because Jeremy didn't think him mature enough to have anymore.  :)

What is he, his dad?
only on 15k a week ONLY you taking the mick? I wouldn't have paid him at all after what he as been up to. I still can't wait till the day he is gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 09, 2016, 09:35:20 PM
Reportedly being offered 65k pw. Can't help thinking if he had been on only half of that we wouldn't have seen the tantrums.
Only on 15k pw because Jeremy didn't think him mature enough to have anymore.  :)

What is he, his dad?

Don't know why, but I had a feeling JP was planning to put some in trust until Saido kicked off,perhaps that's why Saido's relented a bit
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on July 09, 2016, 10:38:48 PM
The Telegraph is reporting that Berahino will reject all overtures to sign a new contract and is determined to move on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 09, 2016, 11:20:14 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/09/west-broms-unsettled-saido-berahino-to-reject-new-contract-as-st/?

Saido Berahino will reject a new contract offer at West Bromwich Albion and is determined to leave the club this month.

Berahino has been offered a four-year deal, worth a potential £55,000 a week, which will make him Albion's best paid player, but it is understood he has no intention of signing.

Stoke and Watford are keen to sign the England under-21 international but are growing frustrated in their attempts to hold negotiations with Albion chairman Jeremy Peace.

West Brom want around £20million for the 22-year-old, who has one year remaining on his current contract.

Crystal Palace are also monitoring developments and Berahino is prepared to force his exit by turning down the offer of a new deal at the Hawthorns.

Tottenham Hotspur failed with four bids for the striker last summer, including two on deadline day, but their interest has waned as they pursue other targets.

However, Stoke have identified Berahino as their No 1 summer target and are hoping to strike a deal, while Watford are also set to make a substantial bid.

West Brom fear that selling Berahino could leave them desperately short of attacking options, with Salomon Rondon and Rickie Lambert the only senior forwards on the books.


Well it looks like the offer was to test Saido's resolve to leave even if Stoke and Watford appear to be his only options. Guess the answer is fairly straight forward I expect us to sell within the month we might extract a few extra quid but I expect it to be less than £20m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on July 09, 2016, 11:31:52 PM
Hasn't it weakened our position if Saido turns down any new contract offer. any interested parties now know we have a player who wants out even with a great contract offer on the table.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 09, 2016, 11:43:17 PM
I have said before that he was being paid peanuts for a premier league striker. I can see his point for wanting to go when he see's what the likes of Harry Kane are on, but that is no excuse for his attitude and conduct.
A professional  player should get his head down and leave his agent to do the contract side of business.

Well it may be peanuts, but if he wouldn't sign a new contract so that it could be increased then that's down to him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on July 09, 2016, 11:43:33 PM
It's mad isn't it, 15,000 a week, near enough what some of us make annually and for the greedy buggers it isn't enough.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Salopbaggie on July 10, 2016, 12:09:08 AM
The Telegraph is reporting that Berahino will reject all overtures to sign a new contract and is determined to move on.

But is it reporting or is it speculating?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on July 10, 2016, 12:15:02 AM
But is it reporting or is it speculating?
Exactly my thought to... just speculation as I am pretty sure they would rather be talking about a London club buying a player than us resigning one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on July 10, 2016, 12:30:49 AM
In a way this plays into the clubs hands. So he has rejected a contract offer which the public and we as fans know was on the table for him but now Saido is publicly outed to be the bad guy. The club now have a reason to sell him and won't look bad for doing so. I can see him going this month.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 10, 2016, 01:05:51 AM

Well it looks like the offer was to test Saido's resolve to leave even if Stoke and Watford appear to be his only options. Guess the answer is fairly straight forward I expect us to sell within the month we might extract a few extra quid but I expect it to be less than £20m.

As mad as it sounds, £20m in this market isn't a big amount. Selling Saido will leave us with two strikers (btw, Lambert seems to have lost serious weight and may actually be useful this season?!) So i'd expect 1 more stiker minimum and thats if TP is soild on playing on 1 up front all season.

We're in need of 3 starting 11 purchases i think (LB, LW and CM), so all sales, (Chester, Saido etc) will need to be replaced like for like.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 10, 2016, 02:42:16 AM
I'm pretty sure he'll leave this month but I'm afraid it will be the long game being played again and it will be left too late for us to do anything with the money. I think Saido has the slight edge over the club, the contract offer would have been made mainly for the purpose of a potential tribunal but if it gets that far we are the main losers as we get less money and have him in the squad not putting the effort in.

In hindsight it should have been sorted out last summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on July 10, 2016, 06:57:58 AM
What happened to this apparent agreement with Tottenham?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albertbaggie on July 10, 2016, 07:18:29 AM
Exactly my thought to... just speculation as I am pretty sure they would rather be talking about a London club buying a player than us resigning one.
John Percy is the one journalist I respect when it comes to Albion news though. Spot on most of the time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 10, 2016, 08:02:27 AM
What happened to this apparent agreement with Tottenham?

Apparent is the key word there. Made up journo bullsh*t is probably nearer the mark.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 10, 2016, 08:16:21 AM
John Percy is the one journalist I respect when it comes to Albion news though. Spot on most of the time.

I agree. Actually, it's a very clever move by the club, £65k per week equates to £13.5 million over 4 years. We want £20 million transfer fee. So it's a signal to any buying club, you want Saido, it's going to cost you £33.5 million. Plus............it's also a signal to any incoming player, we're prepared to pay up to £65k per week for a player of Saido's capability.
Good 'ere ennit?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 10, 2016, 08:18:07 AM
What happened to this apparent agreement with Tottenham?

If any such agreement existed in the first place. Two things happened Saido had a terrible season and Spurs finished in the Champions League spots. The ships passed in the night.

The club has two options either take a chance with a tribunal or sell for something between £15m to £20m.

I think £15m is the absolute most we could hope for from a tribunal (the contract offer helps in this regard as it shows how highly we value the player) However it depends on the player having a good year which is far from certain. There is also a chance that he could move abroad and we end up with nothing.

He will be sold and we know it is going to happen so there is no reason why we can't work on that basis and get deals lined up ready to go even it is last day of the window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on July 10, 2016, 08:28:07 AM
What happened to this apparent agreement with Tottenham?


There was never such a thing in place. Complete and utter nonsense from local journalists just like them reporting the offer we have put on the table for him is 55k and he would be our highest earner when in actual fact our Highest earner is Evans
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sted1990 on July 10, 2016, 09:19:11 AM
Why is everyone talking about a tribunal? The club had a one year extension in their favour so in reality he has 2 years left on his contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mb1 on July 10, 2016, 11:09:14 AM
Why is everyone talking about a tribunal? The club had a one year extension in their favour so in reality he has 2 years left on his contract.

Is this true? If so, we are in the driving seat, but I have not seen it reported anywhere else
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 10, 2016, 11:19:25 AM
Why is everyone talking about a tribunal? The club had a one year extension in their favour so in reality he has 2 years left on his contract.

I believe that isn't actually the case.

In the many many references by the club to Saido's contract it's only been mentioned once, by Pulis is an after match interview. I think Pulis got his wires crossed. I doubt we have a +1 in the pocket.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on July 10, 2016, 01:21:38 PM
Personally don't get the hype surrounding John Percy.

Percentage journalism, anybody with so much as a passing interest in the Saido saga is positioned to make an educated guess. It's hardly a matter for the Greek/sporting oracles. Throw enough rubbish at a wall and you know that eventually some of it will stick.

As for Saido's contract offer I feel it's a very shrewd move on behalf of the club.
Regarding Saido's response or otherwise...... wet your finger and stick it in the air to check which way the winds blowing.

http://www.footballtransferleague.co.uk/newspaper_statistics.aspx (http://www.footballtransferleague.co.uk/newspaper_statistics.aspx)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on July 10, 2016, 01:52:26 PM
I believe that isn't actually the case.

In the many many references by the club to Saido's contract it's only been mentioned once, by Pulis is an after match interview. I think Pulis got his wires crossed. I doubt we have a +1 in the pocket.
You're probably right but it wouldn't surprise me. Almost all of our deals are +1 years and we've done that for the past 10 years or so. It's a sensible policy on the clubs behalf.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sted1990 on July 10, 2016, 02:58:51 PM
You're probably right but it wouldn't surprise me. Almost all of our deals are +1 years and we've done that for the past 10 years or so. It's a sensible policy on the clubs behalf.

I'm certain we have, it's the Albion way these +1s
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 10, 2016, 03:05:28 PM
His contract runs out June 2017, it was announced officially as a straight up 3-and-a-half-year deal he signed with no mention of any option. Do you not think the club would have made it public if we had an option on him given all the speculation about his future?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 10, 2016, 03:13:33 PM
Tend to think that John Percy is closer to it than most. It's not just the club, it's agents etc. He's also got a twitter account, so he'll be in the network on that. I think it's a bit more than an educated guess.
The journo's I "trust" the most, & who turn out to be the most accurate on all things Albion are John Percy, Pat Murphy, & James Nursey, with Matt Wilson of the E & S coming up on the rails. Birmingham Evening Mail is a non-starter for me. The Times guys are pretty good, but WBA tends to be small beer for them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 10, 2016, 04:18:30 PM
Reportedly being offered 65k pw. Can't help thinking if he had been on only half of that we wouldn't have seen the tantrums.
Only on 15k pw because Jeremy didn't think him mature enough to have anymore.  :)

What is he, his dad?

JP was proven right on that one.
Young man with too much disposable income.
I don't think it was ever about the money, his head had been turned to the bright lights on London, and because he proved how immature he is he will have to settle for the gas lights of Stoke or Watford
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on July 10, 2016, 04:47:42 PM
As a club owner you have to play your players what they are worth. His pay rise took him to 15k pw, yes, a large amount to the likes of us, but paltry when compared to other 10+ goals per season strikers.
Not being mature enough isn't the reason why he was shortchanged. It's the same reason Kamara wanted out,Odemwingie wanted out, Gary Megson was put on gardening leave.
The problem has been here for years and it's still here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 10, 2016, 05:20:35 PM
As a club owner you have to play your players what they are worth. His pay rise took him to 15k pw, yes, a large amount to the likes of us, but paltry when compared to other 10+ goals per season strikers.
Not being mature enough isn't the reason why he was shortchanged. It's the same reason Kamara wanted out,Odemwingie wanted out, Gary Megson was put on gardening leave.
The problem has been here for years and it's still here.

Odemwingie was paid less at both Cardiff and Stoke than us. The issue with him was the length of the contract offered. In hindsight we did the right thing - never replicated his form with us elsewhere and was playing for Bristol City last season.

In all honesty I get your point but the fact that all of those you use examples left and did nothing near what they did with us shows that our valuation of them was spot on - they were on the way out and we timed their departures well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on July 10, 2016, 05:35:04 PM
As a club owner you have to play your players what they are worth. His pay rise took him to 15k pw, yes, a large amount to the likes of us, but paltry when compared to other 10+ goals per season strikers.
Not being mature enough isn't the reason why he was shortchanged. It's the same reason Kamara wanted out,Odemwingie wanted out, Gary Megson was put on gardening leave.
The problem has been here for years and it's still here.
Yes, and look at how those 3 careers panned out after us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: brummyroader on July 10, 2016, 07:17:42 PM
Yes, and look at how those 3 careers panned out after us.

Agree their careers went down the pan but they could have continued being top players for us as they were at the time. Plus as we are now finding its getting increasingly harder to get quality players in, an on song Saido is arguably are strongest asset.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 10, 2016, 07:29:25 PM
Agree their careers went down the pan but they could have continued being top players for us as they were at the time. Plus as we are now finding its getting increasingly harder to get quality players in, an on song Saido is arguably are strongest asset.

Odemwingie, Kamara and Megson were all quality assets too, but just like Berahino they all had attitude problems and threw strops, wanted to leave and failed on their next steps. Your examples only serve to prove the opposite point you want to make - those who think themselves worth more to the club than the club feels they are, in the cases you've made, the individuals were wrong and the club right.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 10, 2016, 09:38:22 PM
I'm not even sure where I stand on him to be honest.

One part of me wants him to stay because we're unlikely to get much better and the other part of me wants him, his petulance and arrogance as far away as possible.

I'm not sure someone is going to match our valuation unfortunately.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 10, 2016, 10:56:27 PM
Odemwingie, Kamara and Megson were all quality assets too, but just like Berahino they all had attitude problems and threw strops, wanted to leave and failed on their next steps. Your examples only serve to prove the opposite point you want to make - those who think themselves worth more to the club than the club feels they are, in the cases you've made, the individuals were wrong and the club right.

Got to agree with this. Great post
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 10, 2016, 10:57:22 PM
Saido's twitter account gives some clues as to who influences him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on July 11, 2016, 12:07:49 AM
Mom and God?

In fairness I would have been well served listening to the former more often  :-X .

Have never personally 'heard' the latter.

Still, boats and floats.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 11, 2016, 08:55:03 AM
Berahino contract situation if I recall correctly was his first professional contract was £800 a week. He scored on his Premier League debut and was offered and signed a new contract of £15k a week, which is roughly a 20 fold increase.

There has always been a question mark over his attitude and setting the contract at the £15k gave the club the option of offering the carrot of a better contract if he maintained his progress. There was a new contract in the pipeline just before the drink driving incident however given the concerns about this and other breaches of club discipline it was shelved.

Then last summer happened and thereafter it was pretty obvious that the player wasn't going to sign a new contract.

I am absolutely sure Pulis doesn't regard him (contrary to his public statements) as anything other than a pain in the backside which he wants to trade as soon as is humanly possible, so the Head Coach wouldn't be pushing the club to give him a new contract.

I'm not sure when we were supposed to make him the best paid player at the club but given the history of incidents and the arrival of Pulis, it was a very brief moment around Christmas 2014.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 11, 2016, 09:55:23 AM
At the end of the day, 15m/ 20m , whatever is a lot of money. I don't think 5 m will make that much difference to us really. In today's football 15m it's not enough to buy a top, finished-article striker. Berahino is definitely not a top striker today. He's shown flashes of potential, of being a good finisher but his temperament and all round game is generally not that great from what I've seen. Good touch, not a lone frontman, good finisher, weak in the air, cannot hold up play well, doesn't work that hard for the team, is a little naïve at times in positioning and decision making. Yes, he has potential but he needs a lot of work and time and money to be near to a good, regular premier league striker. 

For 15m / 20m whatever, we can add a player who will add at least the same, if not more to the squad.  For all his 'fancy' touches, we could get someone who fits in better in the team.  I think it's time for us all to move on now. We basically nurtured him for probably a million (being generous) over the years and so a profit of 14-19m is fantastic! Imagine signing a player for 1m and then selling him for 14m.

Bye bye Berahino!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on July 11, 2016, 11:52:42 AM
Odemwingie, Kamara and Megson were all quality assets too, but just like Berahino they all had attitude problems and threw strops, wanted to leave and failed on their next steps. Your examples only serve to prove the opposite point you want to make - those who think themselves worth more to the club than the club feels they are, in the cases you've made, the individuals were wrong and the club right.

Yes i agree their careers went down hill afterwards, but think of the message it sent to other players and their agents. Megson was sacked because he wasn't given the players he had on his list. We got Gera and Kanu, Dindane was reportedly next, i would have loved to have seen who the others were.
Kamara did the telephone thing after every goal he scored, telling them to phone is agent about more money or a move.
Odemwingie moaned he wasn't given what was promised to him and Berahino has made similar noises.
Yes, i would agree that Megson and Kamara were probably not the answer for premeirship football, but neither were the managers that followed Megson, or really the players that followed Kamara. We spent a lot of time yo yo ing because we never improved the quality of what we had, and the same is happening now. An old squad, we have re signed Morrison and spent 18 months signing Phillips.
Not good enough if we want to progress.
Don't forget these players talk to others at internationals and they can't honestly give us a good name when it comes to paying the going rate.
If just one said it fair enough,but when you have lot's of players saying it over the years people give you a bad name.
Gary Megson said there is more to being a successful football club than showing a profit every year. Kevin Phillips said in his column at the end of this season, if Albion want to progress in this league they need to show ambition in the transfer window. Johnny Giles said similar in his column.
These people are legends to me, are they all spouting rubbish?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 11, 2016, 12:12:02 PM
It's always easier to sit on the outside suggesting we spend more money. I know as a football club we make a profit. It's not like that profit would actually get us that much if we spent it rather than banked it. If the club gambled we could always go the wrong way and the costs could be far greater.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on July 11, 2016, 12:21:33 PM
The people who said it though are on the inside, they know the Chairman and the running of the club first hand.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on July 11, 2016, 01:26:17 PM
Contract rejected anyway, as you were
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 11, 2016, 01:29:07 PM
Send him to the potters, he will love it up there
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on July 11, 2016, 01:40:42 PM
Just get rid of him already, as usual the club will wait and wait and we will end up selling him and not getting a replacement
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 11, 2016, 01:44:23 PM
This is an easy one for everyone involved. We want £20m and he wants to go, as the months go by his price lowers but we are less likely to sell. He signs a new deal with a bigger salary and a £20m buy out clause. Someone pays that and us and Saido both get what they want.

Not really worked out has it? Not that easy after all
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on July 11, 2016, 01:48:02 PM
If rumours are true that he has rejected a new contract then its time to ensure he is sold...

Im pretty confident he will never get to play for a top top team as his attitude will see that he doesnt, he may get a move to a big club but only to fulfill the quota of English players much like Delph...the odd game here and there and he will fade into obscurity
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on July 11, 2016, 02:24:19 PM
One negative to this contract offer has to be the effect on the dressing room, doesn't it?
SB is hardly likely to be Mr popular and to be offered a deal better than most would surely rankle. I can imagine TP having a queue at the office door soon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on July 11, 2016, 02:30:30 PM
If rumours are true that he has rejected a new contract then its time to ensure he is sold...

Im pretty confident he will never get to play for a top top team as his attitude will see that he doesnt, he may get a move to a big club but only to fulfill the quota of English players much like Delph...the odd game here and there and he will fade into obscurity


Bang on. He's too stupid to see that he's going to wreck his own career. I guess it depends how much he values ££££££££££. Yes he can get paid more elsewhere but his legacy is going nowhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on July 11, 2016, 02:55:48 PM
He's rejected a new deal, no surprise there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 11, 2016, 02:59:28 PM
Shock horror.

Please get this odious little pooh out of our club. I am beyond sick of him and his arrogance. £15m is fine, just get him gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on July 11, 2016, 03:45:59 PM
Future career path... Stoke... Palace... Hull...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 11, 2016, 04:13:01 PM
Future career path... Stoke... Palace... Hull...

he must like stripes then
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on July 11, 2016, 06:05:34 PM
Is he playing mind games ?
Been Tweeting again ...................

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/839376293?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 11, 2016, 06:18:26 PM
Now you see, I saw that and took it to mean he may be staying.

There's alot of WBA imagry on this banner and profile pic and all that. If i was training, but very much had my eyes open to move, I wouldn't be posting lots of images of me in the kit, I'd be putting up stuff of me in generic working kit working hard and trying to sell myself?

But maybe Saido doesn't put that much thought into it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 11, 2016, 06:38:41 PM
Does this look like a player who wants to leave?

https://twitter.com/SBerahino?lang=en-gb (https://twitter.com/SBerahino?lang=en-gb)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on July 11, 2016, 06:43:59 PM
Is this kid clever or stupid?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 11, 2016, 07:01:29 PM
getting beyond a joke now, get rid or i am fast loosing interest in football
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on July 11, 2016, 07:04:59 PM
Surely JP has to sell him now. Or risk losing him next summer for nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on July 11, 2016, 07:17:00 PM
Surely JP has to sell him now. Or risk losing him next summer for nothing.
It wouldn't be for nothing unless he joined a foreign side because of the tribunal fee, but it would probably be a reduced amount.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on July 11, 2016, 07:23:56 PM
any proof that he has refused a new deal? saw it alot today but no actual proof... unfortunately for us he is a target for sh*t journos to make an easy story cause everyone seems to hate the kid lol
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on July 11, 2016, 07:26:10 PM
Is this kid clever or stupid?

Probably thinks he can run his contract down. So basically he's stupid :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on July 11, 2016, 07:30:18 PM
cant see what hes done wrong, theres no solid proof YET that he as refused a new contract.... yet your all quick to slate him for updating his twitter with west broms badge over it

shocking
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on July 11, 2016, 07:32:51 PM
I can't see what all the fuss is about, press find out we offer him a new contract and the next day or so he has rejected it apparently! No official word of anything yet and tweeting a picture with our livery and him on it is hardly a bad thing to be fair!
All we can do is wait and see what happens I suppose and make our judgements when that day arrives!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on July 11, 2016, 07:34:14 PM
Right or wrong it's his choice! It's the system how it is! I personally wish we sell him because it would be best for both parties but he wants to go so get what we can & get rid!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 11, 2016, 07:37:29 PM
cant see what hes done wrong, theres no solid proof YET that he as refused a new contract.... yet your all quick to slate him for updating his twitter with west broms badge over it

shocking


yes that hes still here, disrupting the place
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on July 11, 2016, 07:41:33 PM

yes that hes still here, disrupting the place

training hard in austria like the rest of our players and putting the badge all over his twitter isnt what id call disrupting the place, its just the press and petty fans what cant seem to grow up and get over it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on July 11, 2016, 07:44:11 PM
Is this kid clever or stupid?
Haha! I thought the same. At least he has a sense of humour if he is going. I think the idea of him turning down the contract was just one journalist anyway. I just want it to be over with quickly either way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 11, 2016, 07:50:25 PM
Ridiculous of people to jump on Berahino over this. If we keep him and he scores 12+15+ goals next season, I'd be happy to see him run his contract down and take my chance at a tribunal. We ain't going to sign a better finisher than Berahino this window. He's got his head down and with a pre season behind him, he's going to want to put himself in the shop window by scoring goals. I couldn't care what he's like as a person, he ain't killed anyone or raped anyone so I'm happy to have him here as long as he is working hard.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on July 11, 2016, 07:53:44 PM
Ridiculous of people to jump on Berahino over this. If we keep him and he scores 12+15+ goals next season, I'd be happy to see him run his contract down and take my chance at a tribunal. We ain't going to sign a better finisher than Berahino this window. He's got his head down and with a pre season behind him, he's going to want to put himself in the shop window by scoring goals. I couldn't care what he's like as a person, he ain't killed anyone or raped anyone so I'm happy to have him here as long as he is working hard.

Couldn't agree more with you, its just a shame that grown adults are constantly criticizing a kid for saying and doing things that hasn't affected them in any way at all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 11, 2016, 07:55:29 PM
Just put this up on the other Saido thread

https://twitter.com/SBerahino?lang=en-gb (https://twitter.com/SBerahino?lang=en-gb)

Doesn't look like a player wanting to leave to me?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on July 11, 2016, 07:57:15 PM
Does this look like a player who wants to leave?

https://twitter.com/SBerahino?lang=en-gb (https://twitter.com/SBerahino?lang=en-gb)

I doubt he's got the photoshop skills to do that himself. I would guess a young fan took the time to create it and then sent it to him.

There's still a long time to go in the transfer window. If a Mourinho comes calling on deadline day with a £25m bid he would soon jump in a car to agree terms. I get the impression he doesn't want to join the Stoke's or Watford's and would prefer to be a free agent next summer if a top 6ish bid never comes.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 11, 2016, 08:03:46 PM
I doubt he's got the photoshop skills to do that himself. I would guess a young fan took the time to create it and then sent it to him.

There's still a long time to go in the transfer window. If a Mourinho comes calling on deadline day with a £25m bid he would soon jump in a car to agree terms. I get the impression he doesn't want to join the Stoke's or Watford's and would prefer to be a free agent next summer if a top 6ish bid never comes.

It's not just that, scroll down, there's no indication that he wants to go. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he signed a new contract with a £20 million release clause. If José came calling for me, i'd go, unfortunately, I tick none of the boxes. :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on July 11, 2016, 08:17:03 PM
It wouldn't be for nothing unless he joined a foreign side because of the tribunal fee, but it would probably be a reduced amount.

Ok! Thanks for pointing that out A5HB.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on July 11, 2016, 09:21:37 PM
I don't think he's going to sign that contract.
If we get a bid of £18m with a decent amount of cash up front please let him go and lets move on.
There's no way we'll get near £18m in a tribunal.
The club doesn't need another year of forcing him to sit it out and all the sideshow that goes with it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 11, 2016, 10:34:26 PM
he's going to want to put himself in the shop window by scoring goals.
Like he did last season you mean?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on July 11, 2016, 10:40:58 PM
Like he did last season you mean?

The Berahino-istas have been saying that for three years now. Score goals to put himself in the window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tucka9 on July 11, 2016, 11:47:02 PM
He has gone a bit ott on his Twitter of all Albion stuff, is he playing games or does he want to knuckle down and play for us I wonder?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 11, 2016, 11:49:34 PM
Like he did last season you mean?

No. His head was turned last season. He's said all the right things since. Like I said, with a good pre season behind him, whether he stays or not, he will score goals if used correctly. He's proved that already. He had a bad season and only has himself to blame but anybody who doubts his goal scoring ability and Premier League level is plain delusional. I would be happy to keep that goal scoring ability as it could make the difference in obscene TV money or relegation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Tony,Germany on July 12, 2016, 03:48:30 AM
Even if he has turned down the contract offer, how many players accept the first offer without trying to get better terms ???

COYB
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 12, 2016, 07:18:56 AM
The club knew there was virtually no chance of him accepting the offer, however if we do decide not to sell him this summer it would strengthen our position at a tribunal and is indicative of what we think he is worth. It doesn't mean we are planning not to sell but by looking like we are prepared to go to tribunal  strengthens our position with the clubs we are negotiating with.

Now that they have sold both Pelle and Mane it would not surprise me if Southampton made a decisive move.  I think a package which is worth £20m  including some realistic add ons and sell on clauses would do it.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on July 12, 2016, 07:59:03 AM
I still feel SB is prepared to stay another season and then leave and sign for a foreign club thus denying Albion any monies from his transfer, such is his bitterness towards JP and the club for not letting hin join Spurs. Trying to get rid of him might be harder now than trying to get him to sign another contract. We could be stuck with the odious rat which could have a serious effect on finances and club morale, which would naturally delight him! Just my gut feeling!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 12, 2016, 08:03:59 AM
Wouldn't be at all surprised if he ended up at Leicester.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on July 12, 2016, 08:07:46 AM
Wouldn't be at all surprised if he ended up at Leicester.

Ranieri wouldn't want poison in what is a great squad with an excellent team spirit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 12, 2016, 08:31:30 AM
any proof that he has refused a new deal? saw it alot today but no actual proof... unfortunately for us he is a target for sh*t journos to make an easy story cause everyone seems to hate the kid lol

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-saido-berahino-rejects-11597890

not concrete "proof" but I can't imagine the club will post anything on the o/s. The fact it's come out in a local paper first makes me think it's true.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 12, 2016, 08:50:39 AM
Is this kid clever or stupid?

I believe he's a pretty intelligent young man that let his emotions get the better of him last summer and like many his age prone to making a few mistakes along the way after surrounding himself with a few people taking advantage of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 12, 2016, 08:52:33 AM
He has gone a bit ott on his Twitter of all Albion stuff, is he playing games or does he want to knuckle down and play for us I wonder?

Personally think he's having a bit of fun trolling the fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 12, 2016, 08:54:33 AM
I wish there was something other than Berahino to discuss, two seperate threads 320 pages, thousands of posts, I for one am sick of it :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 12, 2016, 09:10:02 AM
Just put this up on the other Saido thread

https://twitter.com/SBerahino?lang=en-gb (https://twitter.com/SBerahino?lang=en-gb)

Doesn't look like a player wanting to leave to me?

One picture from him or two years of his histrionics?

I think I know which I'm more inclined to believe. I can't believe some people still support him after everything that has happened, after the first instance the bridge was burned with me, would never sing his name again after that alone nevermind everything else that has followed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on July 12, 2016, 09:15:20 AM
With a new group of academy lads starting to make inroads into the 1st team its more important that they see the club trying to do right by Saido after all he has said & done, i would think that he is shown to them that playing for the 1st team is very possible at the Albion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on July 12, 2016, 09:15:58 AM
Seems like the best thing for all parties if he moves on now. Feels like he is happy to stay if he has to as he will just walk away on a Bosman next summer even with the tribunal.

Probably better he does move on as I can't see him being a starter next year. For all of his talent we can't really fit him in. We aren't strong enough in midfield to play 442 so we need an extra man in there. In that scenario we won't play him up top on his own as Rondon is better suited and he isn't comfortable or happy wide (a shame as he could make a good go of being a wide forward IMO) so he doesn't really fit in. So that leaves him on the bench which doesn't really suit anyone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 12, 2016, 09:17:51 AM
Sadly he knows he is now holding the majority of the cards. Contract is up this time next year when he can leave to go where he wants, Spurs would be back on the table as they would risk the tribunal fee being around £10m. It would be worth the risk for them at that stage.

He clearly doesn't want to go to the likes of Stoke/Watford etc so I am sure he will now be trying to get the fans back on board (I am really hoping people do not fall for it but I don't doubt that they will sadly) so he can play every game this season, bang in 20 goals then walk away with his stock back to where it was a couple of years ago.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on July 12, 2016, 09:20:20 AM
We could/should have sold him last year,and used the money to strengthen the team. Well, we would have had the money.  ;)
Again the price was put too high just to fuel one persons ego.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on July 12, 2016, 09:21:39 AM
On the images on his Twitter account, on the hill run, who is the lad in 4th behind Rondon?

On the contract negotiations, surely his rejection of the contract could simply be agent saying 'we can get more out of the club than that", isn't that what agents do?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on July 12, 2016, 09:27:22 AM
One picture from him or two years of his histrionics?

I think I know which I'm more inclined to believe. I can't believe some people still support him after everything that has happened, after the first instance the bridge was burned with me, would never sing his name again after that alone nevermind everything else that has followed.

Agree. the support for him is baffling. I wish him no ill will in life but singing his name like he is some sort of hero? Give me a break.

This is a guy after all who already reportedly earns a salary over £2 million a year feels he deserves more while the rest of us prepare to struggle with an incoming recession.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on July 12, 2016, 09:28:43 AM
I believe that a lot of people are over thinking this,

His agent (whoever that is today) will be doing the contract, putting him in shop window stuff, while the kid gets on with training and tweeting! simples really!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on July 12, 2016, 09:49:25 AM
He doesn't earn 2 million its around 800k,shame isn't it t.
I really don't get this guy he seems not to be aware of his future,he says things that come into his head on an almost daily basis.
He comes across as a simple lad who is easily led.
In fact I don't believe he can play in tp team he can't play with rondon,where could he play,up front instead of Ron I don't think so.
I say see you later,you will be remembered as a spoilt brat if he's remembered at all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 12, 2016, 09:59:22 AM
The club knew there was virtually no chance of him accepting the offer, however if we do decide not to sell him this summer it would strengthen our position at a tribunal and is indicative of what we think he is worth. It doesn't mean we are planning not to sell but by looking like we are prepared to go to tribunal  strengthens our position with the clubs we are negotiating with.

Now that they have sold both Pelle and Mane it would not surprise me if Southampton made a decisive move.  I think a package which is worth £20m  including some realistic add ons and sell on clauses would do it.

I think that's Jeremy's way of messing with his head, he knew it would scramble the kids brain.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 12, 2016, 10:42:27 AM
I can see him moving abroad at the end of his contract leaving Jeremy with egg all over his face.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 12, 2016, 10:44:35 AM
I can see him moving abroad at the end of his contract leaving Jeremy with egg all over his face.
Id imagine by that time Jezza will be sunning himself on a yacht somewhere in the harbour at Monaco. That's the kind of egg on the face I reckon he would be happy to taste.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 12, 2016, 10:46:47 AM
Id imagine by that time Jezza will be sunning himself on a yacht somewhere in the harbour at Monaco. That's the kind of egg on the face I reckon he would be happy to taste.

If he's not careful he could be here still planning a promotion challenge.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 12, 2016, 11:22:26 AM
We could/should have sold him last year,and used the money to strengthen the team. Well, we would have had the money.  ;)
Again the price was put too high just to fuel one persons ego.

Considering both Spurs and Newcastle put bids in I don't see how you can say the price was too high. We didn't sell to Spurs as they wanted to structure the paying of the fee in a ridiculous way; with a tiny amount paid upfront and the rest spread over the 5 years of his contract. Not to mention they courted him all Summer but didn't bid until the last couple of days leaving us no time to get a decent replacement in.
We didn't sell to Newcastle in January as we would have been strengthening a rival.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hunsletbaggie on July 12, 2016, 11:43:26 AM
He doesn't earn 2 million its around 800k,shame isn't it t.
I really don't get this guy he seems not to be aware of his future,he says things that come into his head on an almost daily basis.
He comes across as a simple lad who is easily led.
In fact I don't believe he can play in tp team he can't play with rondon,where could he play,up front instead of Ron I don't think so.
I say see you later,you will be remembered as a spoilt brat if he's remembered at all.
Most decent players wouldn't want to play in a TP team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 12, 2016, 12:15:45 PM
One picture from him or two years of his histrionics?

I think I know which I'm more inclined to believe. I can't believe some people still support him after everything that has happened, after the first instance the bridge was burned with me, would never sing his name again after that alone nevermind everything else that has followed.

Plus the picture of him training in Austria, plus the picture of him training at Walsall, plus the picture of him training on the beach. He does tend to be a bit cryptic, but don't we all at times?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 12, 2016, 12:49:15 PM
Plus the picture of him training in Austria, plus the picture of him training at Walsall, plus the picture of him training on the beach. He does tend to be a bit cryptic, but don't we all at times?

After all the accusations of him being overweight last season, I'm sure he wants all potential suitors to see that he is going to be in prime condition for the start of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on July 12, 2016, 03:42:01 PM
I think Berahino is certainly gone. I tend to think he is making it clear that he won't be drawn into the battle for his services, he will train, he will do the right things and if we don't sell, he will walk away at the end.

Peace could have offered this sort of wages a year or so ago and tried to convince Saido this is a club to play for, that we will invest in him and with ambition in players, but that hasn't happened and if I was Saido and the type of player he is, I would want to leave as well. Why would any talented forward want to play in this setup?  Very little chance of European Football and very little chance of competing for a spot in the national team.

The club may stay up again this year (though at the moment I have serious doubts on that), but as it stands it won't be playing any different football than it has over the last couple of years and will make watching football really difficult again unfortunately.

Nope.. I think Saido has simply gone, this year or next, he is gone
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on July 12, 2016, 04:19:05 PM
I think Berahino is certainly gone. I tend to think he is making it clear that he won't be drawn into the battle for his services, he will train, he will do the right things and if we don't sell, he will walk away at the end.

Peace could have offered this sort of wages a year or so ago and tried to convince Saido this is a club to play for, that we will invest in him and with ambition in players, but that hasn't happened and if I was Saido and the type of player he is, I would want to leave as well. Why would any talented forward want to play in this setup?  Very little chance of European Football and very little chance of competing for a spot in the national team.

The club may stay up again this year (though at the moment I have serious doubts on that), but as it stands it won't be playing any different football than it has over the last couple of years and will make watching football really difficult again unfortunately.

Nope.. I think Saido has simply gone, this year or next, he is gone

I kind of agree with this, it does look like more of a power move from Peace rather than a legitimate attempt of keeping him.
I disagree with the Europe comment though, the two clubs are Stoke and Watford, with all fairness Stoke are only a slightly better proposition than us so I think at this point it's just more that he wants to leave rather than any real ambition.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 12, 2016, 04:34:37 PM
I can see him moving abroad at the end of his contract leaving Jeremy with egg all over his face.

Don't understand that one. He's been paid a maximum of £15000 per week, & come up through the Academy. The club would have had to shoulder the Acadamy  cost anyway.
When Saido has played we've had a £50k per week player on the field for £15k per week. I think we've done ok out of it from a financial point of view. Any money we do get from a transfer fee would be a bonus.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 12, 2016, 04:56:01 PM
Don't understand that one. He's been paid a maximum of £15000 per week, & come up through the Academy. The club would have had to shoulder the Acadamy  cost anyway.
When Saido has played we've had a £50k per week player on the field for £15k per week. I think we've done ok out of it from a financial point of view. Any money we do get from a transfer fee would be a bonus.

Not last season we didn't. I appreciate that any transfer fee we do get is a bonus but now is the time to maximise it. He doesn't want to be here and TP won't utilise him properly. We should just take the £15m plus now and ship him out. We are unlikely to get any more from a tribunal and it also gives us plenty of time to sort a replacement. If he does stay I can see him engineering a move abroad just to p*** JP off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on July 12, 2016, 05:06:44 PM
I can see him engineering a move abroad just to p*** JP off.
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That is quite probably already on his agenda. Still bitter about not getting his Spurs move, which must all but over now as they have just spend nearly 20 million on a striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 12, 2016, 05:10:43 PM
I must be the only one on here who thinks he's so over rated its untrue.
Oh well at the risk of pizzing on your bonfires here goes:

I think if the little git had gone about it the right way he would have got his move, Pulis was desperate to get rid of him. Forget all the rubbish infront of the cameras. Pulis wanted rid.
Once he started to issue ultimatums (no doubt egged on by spuds and his agent) there was only one way for this to end.
If he goes abroad to prevent the club getting anything then that just shows you the mind set of this individual, JP won't give a toss he'll be miles away by then and the little gits carear will be at least two years behind where it should be.
Play for England and European Football  :D do me a favour
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adamstv on July 12, 2016, 07:18:14 PM
I must be the only one on here who thinks he's so over rated its untrue.
Oh well at the risk of pizzing on your bonfires here goes:

I think if the little git had gone about it the right way he would have got his move, Pulis was desperate to get rid of him. Forget all the rubbish infront of the cameras. Pulis wanted rid.
Once he started to issue ultimatums (no doubt egged on by spuds and his agent) there was only one way for this to end.
If he goes abroad to prevent the club getting anything then that just shows you the mind set of this individual, JP won't give a toss he'll be miles away by then and the little gits carear will be at least two years behind where it should be.
Play for England and European Football  :D do me a favour
European Football  : do me a favour

If he  goes abroad he will be playing European football  :D


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Slimbo on July 13, 2016, 09:44:10 AM
http://www.football365.com/news/welcome-back-from-the-brink-saido-berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 14, 2016, 09:27:10 AM
http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/article.cfm?id=119081

Palace supposedly coming back in for him after Liverpool refused to budge on £32m Christian Benteke
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stoxman on July 14, 2016, 01:32:11 PM
After all the accusations of him being overweight last season, I'm sure he wants all potential suitors to see that he is going to be in prime condition for the start of the season.


Looking at this clip of the PSG game, he looks pretty chunky to me as he jogs back after his miss.

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10500915/psg-2-1-west-brom?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 15, 2016, 11:05:56 AM
 Looks like Watford have lost interest with both Deaney and Ighalo staying put.

https://www.clubcall.com/watford/hornets-decide-against-albion-swoop-1815113.html

Wouldn't have minding us going in for Ighalo
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 15, 2016, 12:22:22 PM
Looks like Watford have lost interest with both Deaney and Ighalo staying put.

https://www.clubcall.com/watford/hornets-decide-against-albion-swoop-1815113.html

Wouldn't have minding us going in for Ighalo

We'll be stuck with him if we continue to hold out for £20m+. A disaster all round if so.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 15, 2016, 12:49:01 PM
We'll be stuck with him if we continue to hold out for £20m+. A disaster all round if so.

I just don't see how that would be a disaster. Saido looked very sharp on Wednesday, and we all know he's got goals in him. What would be a disaster is to let him go for 5-6million more than what we would get a tribunal and not replace him with a striker of the same quality which we all know won't happen unless we want to drop £25 mil+
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 15, 2016, 01:18:24 PM
I just don't see how that would be a disaster. Saido looked very sharp on Wednesday, and we all know he's got goals in him. What would be a disaster is to let him go for 5-6million more than what we would get a tribunal and not replace him with a striker of the same quality which we all know won't happen unless we want to drop £25 mil+

I think it would be a disaster.
He doesn't want to be here and Tone wants rid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 15, 2016, 01:47:01 PM
I think it would be a disaster.
He doesn't want to be here and Tone wants rid.

I agree with this. I'm actually a Saido fan but he's burned his bridges and Pulis won't utilise him correctly anyhow. Him and Rondon have played in many of the games where we haven't registered a shot. We need rid and someone fresh bringing in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 15, 2016, 01:49:42 PM
I just don't see how that would be a disaster. Saido looked very sharp on Wednesday, and we all know he's got goals in him. What would be a disaster is to let him go for 5-6million more than what we would get a tribunal and not replace him with a striker of the same quality which we all know won't happen unless we want to drop £25 mil+

That's the worry but there must be plenty of strikers out there that could do a job for the same kind of fee or less. Attracting them is the difficult bit. For example I see Negredo possibly moving to Boro on loan. Sakho will also go for the same kind of fee too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 15, 2016, 02:46:41 PM
If the options are keep Saido for a year and he'll go at tribunal (assuming he doesn't have the balls to move abroad) for about £10m, or sell him now for £18m and have to buy a replacement this year in the Sahko range, then I'd keep Saido.

Assuming he's playing to basically advertise himself this year, he'll play well and thats worth more than what we'll replace him with.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 15, 2016, 02:49:39 PM
Saido being here 1 more season neither benefits us as a football club or himself as a footballer. I believe we should cash in now whether it be for 15 or 20 million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on July 15, 2016, 04:45:36 PM
Is it really saido speaking or are his friends telling him what to say?
Either way,see you later saido,one season wonder
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Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on July 15, 2016, 05:00:56 PM
sell him to china, he'll get paid more than he's worth there and that should keep him happy
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 15, 2016, 08:14:52 PM
I think it would be a disaster.
He doesn't want to be here and Tone wants rid.
I think he is bloody useful, and would prefer tone to be rid
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on July 15, 2016, 10:12:17 PM

Looking at this clip of the PSG game, he looks pretty chunky to me as he jogs back after his miss.

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10500915/psg-2-1-west-brom?

so is Brazilian ronaldo, hes still taking the whatsit out of defenders and scoring goals.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on July 15, 2016, 10:23:14 PM
Saido being here 1 more season neither benefits us as a football club or himself as a footballer. I believe we should cash in now whether it be for 15 or 20 million.

not even if he has a good full pre season, contributes to goals/assists to the team and puts his price tag up?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 15, 2016, 10:57:23 PM
not even if he has a good full pre season, contributes to goals/assists to the team and puts his price tag up?
Do you think that's likely after what happened last season?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on July 15, 2016, 11:27:39 PM
According to The Sun, Palace have bid for him.

I could actually see this one having legs if true, because apparently the Benteke deal is dead, they've just sold Gayle and Berahino would enjoy London, plus he's the sort of striker Pardew would go after (a better version of Gayle). We shall see.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on July 15, 2016, 11:29:30 PM
Can see him at Palace

They will probably spend the money on him too and give us the 20m we want for him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barham87 on July 16, 2016, 06:24:57 AM
Me personally I hope we don't sell him. You can't get a proven premier league striker for under 20m these days, plus it looks like were struggling to sign players of higher calibre than what we've got anyway. I know he sulks, but knowing he's only 12 months left on his contract, he may knuckle down to try and impress future employers?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on July 16, 2016, 06:40:47 AM
Me personally I hope we don't sell him. You can't get a proven premier league striker for under 20m these days, plus it looks like were struggling to sign players of higher calibre than what we've got anyway. I know he sulks, but knowing he's only 12 months left on his contract, he may knuckle down to try and impress future employers?

That's been said by some for the last 2 years now. At the start of the 2014/2015 season he going to knuckle down to keep Spurs interested. At the start of last season he was going to knuckle down to get into the England squad.

The guys a waster - get rid!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies_24 on July 16, 2016, 06:46:57 AM
I don't think he fits very well into Pulis's team as he will probably play with Rondon up top on his own meaning Saido will have to play in that deeper role, which as we saw last season he's not very good at. I can see him going to Palace, I think they will stump up £20 million and he'l be off as its a London team.

If that was to happen I would want to see a serious offer for a real quality player who can be the link between the midfield and Rondon, our ability to be able to create goal scoring opportunities from open play was severely lacking last season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Halesowen12 on July 16, 2016, 07:46:15 AM
I don't think he fits very well into Pulis's team as he will probably play with Rondon up top on his own meaning Saido will have to play in that deeper role, which as we saw last season he's not very good at. I can see him going to Palace, I think they will stump up £20 million and he'l be off as its a London team.

If that was to happen I would want to see a serious offer for a real quality player who can be the link between the midfield and Rondon, our ability to be able to create goal scoring opportunities from open play was severely lacking last season.

Great post, absolutely agree
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on July 16, 2016, 09:00:44 AM
Sell him asap this situation every transfer window is no good for the club. If we can get 20million for him, get rid and I feel that we can sign somebody better and certainly less disruptive.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on July 16, 2016, 09:03:47 AM
Me personally I hope we don't sell him. You can't get a proven premier league striker for under 20m these days, plus it looks like were struggling to sign players of higher calibre than what we've got anyway. I know he sulks, but knowing he's only 12 months left on his contract, he may knuckle down to try and impress future employers?

Is he a proven premier league striker based on one decent season and one completely wasted one. I personally don't think he is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 16, 2016, 09:05:39 AM
Sell him asap this situation every transfer window is no good for the club. If we can get 20million for him, get rid and I feel that we can sign somebody better and certainly less disruptive.

Think we'll struggle to sign someone with better natural ability for similar money. With that said we will definitely get someone less disruptive and someone that will want to utilise their full ability for us. Its easy for us to say sell him asap not so easy to do it for a price you believe he is worth.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 16, 2016, 09:39:42 AM
Palace's reported interest and willingness to splash big fees on Batshuayi and Benteke and now Berahino with no actual signing demonstrates the dilemma for many mid-table Premier League clubs they have money but there is an unwillingness on the part of above average players to join a mid-table club although wages are part of the problem but by no means the only one.

Setting aside the tactical thinking of progressing through those players as their lead striker, if Palace succeed in signing Berahino they then pass that problem to us. We are fortunate that we have Rondon in place (Palace have Wickham??) but plainly we do need to reinforce our forward options and ability wise I think we will struggle to land anyone as good as Berahino, however the player might be a better a tactical fit and be someone who wants to be at the club. So we may end up slightly better off even if the player isn't quite as good as Saido.
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on July 16, 2016, 09:49:58 AM
Palace's reported interest and willingness to splash big fees on Batshuayi and Benteke and now Berahino with no actual signing demonstrates the dilemma for many mid-table Premier League clubs they have money but there is an unwillingness on the part of above average players to join a mid-table club although wages are part of the problem but by no means the only one.

Setting aside the tactical thinking of progressing through those players as their lead striker, if Palace succeed in signing Berahino they then pass that problem to us. We are fortunate that we have Rondon in place (Palace have Wickham??) but plainly we do need to reinforce our forward options and ability wise I think we will struggle to land anyone as good as Berahino, however the player might be a better a tactical fit and be someone who wants to be at the club. So we may end up slightly better off even if the player isn't quite as good as Saido.
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Certainly.
A recent case in point is Matty Phillips vs Sessegnon. To me, Sess is the better player of the two but simply didn't fit the Pulis system as well as Phillips will, and wasn't really suited as a winger. I can't remember a single cross that Sessegnon put on Rondon's head last season which will be the main role for Phillips who will undoubtedly do more balls in the air for Rondon.
At the same time, I think Sessegnon was a real talent who was better than Phillips, but just wasn't right for our team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyfred on July 16, 2016, 12:59:02 PM
If the 20m pound bid from Palace is genuine . snatch their hands off get the deal done and lets move on, don't need another season of" will he wont he" "can he cant he" and TP's regular bulletin of" we have had a chat and he understands whats required of him blah blah blah" and still grt the same ole same old, lets use the cash and hopefully get another half decent striker who wants to play 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on July 16, 2016, 01:39:28 PM
Is he still here ?

 :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 16, 2016, 01:58:35 PM
I think it would be a disaster.
He doesn't want to be here and Tone wants rid.

I'm sure he'll be gone but I think he has been judged harshly by our supporters. If he was to stay, he would have to perform to get the contract he desires. "Disaster" is a major exaggerration. He's a great finisher who will thrive off the added supply he'll get from the extra creativity we will add this summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adamstv on July 16, 2016, 04:57:54 PM
Scored another 2 today. Might only be Kidderminster but he was the one that put them away. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on July 16, 2016, 06:36:36 PM
If the 20m pound bid from Palace is genuine . snatch their hands off get the deal done and lets move on, don't need another season of" will he wont he" "can he cant he" and TP's regular bulletin of" we have had a chat and he understands whats required of him blah blah blah" and still grt the same ole same old, lets use the cash and hopefully get another half decent striker who wants to play

would think that would be the ideal solution (to us fans) but knowing the specialists (TP and his gang) we will sell and end up with a defensive player whos complete pants but has a great attitude from a lower league ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on July 16, 2016, 06:40:07 PM
Do you think that's likely after what happened last season?

personally i dont think we could even guess how its going to be after witnessing whats gone on but he has potential that's for certain... i do believe if he dont go this window his only option (if he wants to leave) would be to have an amazing season so someone makes us an offer we cant turn down....

off to a good start getting 2 today i guess! LOL
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on July 16, 2016, 06:42:50 PM
Scored another 2 today. Might only be Kidderminster but he was the one that put them away.

exactly, 2 more than any other baggies player managed... yes he might be a little sh*t according to the media but aslong as he scores us goals i couldnt really care about his attitude i dont have to speak to him lol
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 16, 2016, 07:12:37 PM
personally i dont think we could even guess how its going to be after witnessing whats gone on but he has potential that's for certain... i do believe if he dont go this window his only option (if he wants to leave) would be to have an amazing season so someone makes us an offer we cant turn down....

off to a good start getting 2 today i guess! LOL

Actually and sadly his options are plentiful. Nobody will need to make us an offer if he has a great season because he's out of contract. Tribunal beckons if so. But like Billy Jones, run his contract down, net a nice signing fee and plays contracts off any clubs interested. We'll get a fee for him but not immediately available to spend.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 16, 2016, 07:27:07 PM
If the 20m pound bid from Palace is genuine . snatch their hands off get the deal done and lets move on, don't need another season of" will he wont he" "can he cant he" and TP's regular bulletin of" we have had a chat and he understands whats required of him blah blah blah" and still grt the same ole same old, lets use the cash and hopefully get another half decent striker who wants to play

Hasn't it occurred to you that if 20% of the EPL clubs are interested in Saido, there might not be too many of his ilk out there? I want him to stay.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 16, 2016, 07:40:25 PM
Shoe on the other foot scenario...

If we signed a player who mustered a league goal every 233 minutes in the last 2 seasons for £20m we'd be up in arms irrespective of the individuals circumstances.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 16, 2016, 08:15:35 PM
Shoe on the other foot scenario...

If we signed a player who mustered a league goal every 233 minutes in the last 2 seasons for £20m we'd be up in arms irrespective of the individuals circumstances.

On the other hand we'd be delighted if he then scored a goal every 180 minutes. Wouldn't we?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 16, 2016, 08:31:50 PM
On the other hand we'd be delighted if he then scored a goal every 180 minutes. Wouldn't we?

Imagine he averaged one every 120 minutes... then left on a free at the end of the season. I'd hardly be able to contain myself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 16, 2016, 08:48:09 PM
Imagine he averaged one every 120 minutes... then left on a free at the end of the season. I'd hardly be able to contain myself.

Why would he leave on a free? The only reason Saido Berahino would leave WBA is to play football at a higher level, so if Chelsea, ManU, Spurs et al came calling, he'd leave on a free, but we'd get decent compensation. If any other club came calling, you would think we could match the terms.
Clearly money isn't a motivator for him, otherwise he wouldn't be prepared to see his time out at £15k per week.
Not sure who's advising him at the moment, but I'd say they're playing a pretty shrewd game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 16, 2016, 09:06:59 PM
Why would he leave on a free? The only reason Saido Berahino would leave WBA is to play football at a higher level, so if Chelsea, ManU, Spurs et al came calling, he'd leave on a free, but we'd get decent compensation. If any other club came calling, you would think we could match the terms.
Clearly money isn't a motivator for him, otherwise he wouldn't be prepared to see his time out at £15k per week.
Not sure who's advising him at the moment, but I'd say they're playing a pretty shrewd game.

If he goes abroad we'd get nowt.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on July 16, 2016, 09:10:34 PM
If he goes abroad we'd get nowt.

Which I could see him doing as some sort of payback.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 16, 2016, 09:13:23 PM
Which I could see him doing as some sort of payback.

Me too especially if JP is still here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on July 16, 2016, 09:15:50 PM
Don't we get something as he was "Acadamy" and he turned down a new contract?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on July 16, 2016, 09:39:04 PM
Why would he leave on a free? The only reason Saido Berahino would leave WBA is to play football at a higher level, so if Chelsea, ManU, Spurs et al came calling, he'd leave on a free, but we'd get decent compensation. If any other club came calling, you would think we could match the terms.
Clearly money isn't a motivator for him, otherwise he wouldn't be prepared to see his time out at £15k per week.
Not sure who's advising him at the moment, but I'd say they're playing a pretty shrewd game.
Unless he has a career ending injury.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 17, 2016, 12:51:38 PM
Actually and sadly his options are plentiful. Nobody will need to make us an offer if he has a great season because he's out of contract. Tribunal beckons if so. But like Billy Jones, run his contract down, net a nice signing fee and plays contracts off any clubs interested. We'll get a fee for him but not immediately available to spend.

However in a worst case senario we could expect at least £10m, in which case Peace could open the purse strings and speculate, comfortably. 8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 17, 2016, 01:08:01 PM
He's 'playing the game 'these days at least. However, he doesn't want to stay at Albion, that's been clear for a long time - performances, body language, press statements, Twitter messages and turning down of contract offers. Whoever is really to blame it doesn't matter now. He's off sooner than later hence the club ideally need to replace him now even if he is to leave in Jan or next summer - that's good planning isn't it?

He will score goals somewhere else of course but I also expect him to have one or two problems along the way too until he settles down in his late 20s at which point we'll see whether he's half as good as he thinks he is. In the meantime , we'll get on with our lives and look to Leko, Roberts and other youngsters to show the club the respect we think it deserves following the support they've received over the years.



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on July 17, 2016, 01:33:11 PM
Not a chance berahino will go abroad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 17, 2016, 03:50:06 PM
However in a worst case senario we could expect at least £10m, in which case Peace could open the purse strings and speculate, comfortably. 8)

No - not if he goes abroad.  We'd then get nothing at all
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 17, 2016, 04:02:10 PM
No - not if he goes abroad.  We'd then get nothing at all

Discounted as even Berahino is not that stupid :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 17, 2016, 04:48:42 PM
He's 'playing the game 'these days at least. However, he doesn't want to stay at Albion, that's been clear for a long time - performances, body language, press statements, Twitter messages and turning down of contract offers. Whoever is really to blame it doesn't matter now. He's off sooner than later hence the club ideally need to replace him now even if he is to leave in Jan or next summer - that's good planning isn't it?

He will score goals somewhere else of course but I also expect him to have one or two problems along the way too until he settles down in his late 20s at which point we'll see whether he's half as good as he thinks he is. In the meantime , we'll get on with our lives and look to Leko, Roberts and other youngsters to show the club the respect we think it deserves following the support they've received over the years.

If he signed a new contract tomorrow, say at £65k per week, what do you think the fans would say?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 17, 2016, 05:14:05 PM
Discounted as even Berahino is not that stupid :D

I'm not totally convinced on that point!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MBWBA on July 17, 2016, 05:39:16 PM
Waiting for a possible takeover to negotiate a better contract offer?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 17, 2016, 06:32:25 PM
I'm not totally convinced on that point!

To tell you the truth, neither am I :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 17, 2016, 10:54:16 PM
If he signed a new contract tomorrow, say at £65k per week, what do you think the fans would say?

Proof would be in the pudding I think. If he signed , played well and scored , the fans would be happy of course. I would be anyway. If he signed and didn't do well , we'd still get decent money for him i suppose. I would say many fans see him as an annoyance now though and sometimes it's better to move on (Fergie was great at shifting on players who thought they were too good for the team). We've had two years (since he broke through) of hearing how he's destined for bigger things and will get a big move . Time to replace him first then move him on for me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on July 18, 2016, 09:36:07 AM
John Percy of the telegraph reckons that Palace have met our valuation of £20 mill, but we want someone in first. He's normally spot on
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on July 18, 2016, 09:42:38 AM
John Percy of the telegraph reckons that Palace have met our valuation of £20 mill, but we want someone in first. He's normally spot on

Roll out the barrels  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on July 18, 2016, 09:47:50 AM
John Percy of the telegraph reckons that Palace have met our valuation of £20 mill, but we want someone in first. He's normally spot on

I wonder who the "someone" is?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on July 18, 2016, 10:09:53 AM
I wonder who the "someone" is?

Well its definitely not Demba Ba this year

Sakho perhaps
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 18, 2016, 10:27:00 AM
Well its definitely not Demba Ba this year

Sakho perhaps

According to our friends at the E & S they reckon we're looking elsewhere
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 18, 2016, 10:45:41 AM
According to our friends at the E & S they reckon we're looking elsewhere

I see Chamakh is on a free.  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on July 18, 2016, 10:48:03 AM
Well its definitely not Demba Ba this year

Sakho perhaps

You never know, now he has broke his leg he has become affordable and he has a health issue, both attractive features for the Albion!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 18, 2016, 12:05:04 PM
I see Chamakh is on a free.  ;D

There's a reason for that  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on July 18, 2016, 12:05:10 PM
You never know, now he has broke his leg he has become affordable and he has a health issue, both attractive features for the Albion!

And he wouldn't be the 1st to come to us for the way our medical team keep performing miracles on injured players. ::) ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 18, 2016, 12:33:15 PM
I see Chamakh is on a free.  ;D

Don't even joke about it. :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on July 19, 2016, 11:36:57 AM
Sky Sports breaking news - Stoke bid £20mil for Berahino according to their sources.

Their sources aren't exactly the most reliable so wouldnt take as gospel!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 19, 2016, 11:42:10 AM
Sky Sports breaking news - Stoke bid £20mil for Berahino according to their sources.

Their sources aren't exactly the most reliable so wouldnt take as gospel!

Seen people on twitter saying its £17m with £3m add ons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on July 19, 2016, 11:44:49 AM
Seen people on twitter saying its £17m with £3m add ons.

Either way, I hope its true...best for all parties to move on!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on July 19, 2016, 11:48:04 AM
Sky Sports breaking news - Stoke bid £20mil for Berahino according to their sources.

Their sources aren't exactly the most reliable so wouldnt take as gospel!

With Stoke and Palace now rumoured to have bid 20million, hopefully we can pinch a couple more million out of someone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on July 19, 2016, 11:48:29 AM
With Stoke and Palace now rumoured to have bid 20million, hopefully we can pinch a couple more million out of someone.

Just get rid, move on and try and sign someone else.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 19, 2016, 11:56:19 AM
Just get him gone, the longer he is here the more damage he will inflict on us. I don't doubt that he'll go on to have a great season for whoever he moves to, but he is just festering behind the scenes here and we could do without the turmoil that we have had for two seasons over him now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on July 19, 2016, 11:56:55 AM
he won't be going until we replace him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on July 19, 2016, 12:03:29 PM
Please just sell him to Palace if they've really offered 20.  I don't care if we have to resign Anichebe or Odemwingie, just get rid of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 19, 2016, 12:14:33 PM
Please just sell him to Palace if they've really offered 20.  I don't care if we have to resign Anichebe or Odemwingie, just get rid of him.

We'd be fighting Hull City for Odemwingie, he's playing for them tonight as a trialist.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 19, 2016, 12:23:27 PM
Take £20m, offer up to £10m for Joel Campbell. Very ambitious but if we could act fast we could get that wrapped up. That would be amazing business.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Salopbaggie on July 19, 2016, 12:25:36 PM
Stoke now in with a £17 million up front bid rising to £20 million with add-ons.  The bidding war starts!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 19, 2016, 12:32:20 PM
Take £20m, offer up to £10m for Joel Campbell. Very ambitious but if we could act fast we could get that wrapped up. That would be amazing business.

Certainly would be.

Stoke have just come in for him.  Don't be surprised to see Walters being part of a Stoke deal.  I'd very happily take him as our 3rd/4th striker (replacing Anichebe or Lambert).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 19, 2016, 12:38:52 PM
Certainly would be.

Stoke have just come in for him.  Don't be surprised to see Walters being part of a Stoke deal.  I'd very happily take him as our 3rd/4th striker (replacing Anichebe or Lambert).
If he did sign he'd be a regular starter if not why not stay at Stoke. Newly promoted Middlesbro are signing Negredo and we are talking about Walters. Depressing really.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 19, 2016, 12:42:54 PM
If he did sign he'd be a regular starter if not why not stay at Stoke. Newly promoted Middlesbro are signing Negredo and we are talking about Walters. Depressing really.

That's purely down to their manager being a Spanish great.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on July 19, 2016, 12:43:07 PM
If he did sign he'd be a regular starter if not why not stay at Stoke. Newly promoted Middlesbro are signing Negredo and we are talking about Walters. Depressing really.
exactly what im hoping a takeover can bring us some bloody ambition cause talking of walters just says it all
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 19, 2016, 12:51:19 PM
That's purely down to their manager being a Spanish great.

Are you suggesting we have the wrong manager?  :D Having Pulis here just narrows our options further.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 19, 2016, 12:56:52 PM
Are you suggesting we have the wrong manager?  :D Having Pulis here just narrows our options further.

Pulis fan but big name managers are a pull for bigger players. Wouldn't swap Negredo for Rondon in any case.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on July 19, 2016, 01:36:31 PM
Negrado has scored 10 goals in his last 55 games (last two seasons) and is 31 in August, no thanks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 19, 2016, 02:06:17 PM
If he did sign he'd be a regular starter if not why not stay at Stoke. Newly promoted Middlesbro are signing Negredo and we are talking about Walters. Depressing really.


He'd get more game time with us as 3rd striker than he's likely to get at Stoke.  If you think we will get a better 3rd or 4th striker than Walters, or if you think he's not a step up on Anichebe/Lambert then I'd be amazed.

Please read what I actually said.  Comparing him with Negredo is of course nonsense.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on July 19, 2016, 02:13:36 PM
Walters / Wilson and a lump of cash and we can discuss.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on July 19, 2016, 02:33:58 PM
Take £20m, offer up to £10m for Joel Campbell. Very ambitious but if we could act fast we could get that wrapped up. That would be amazing business.

Joel Campbell is someone we should be looking at in all fairness

As for Berahino, 17m plus add ons to make it 20m should see him gone

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on July 19, 2016, 02:46:17 PM
The bidding war starts but he won`t  be going anywere till we bring in a replacment
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on July 19, 2016, 02:50:02 PM
The twit has liked a tweet from sky saying stoke have bid 20m.

More fool anyone who treated him good last year after he pooh on us as a club and continues to do so.
People actually thought he would sign a new contract  :D
I think if I ever saw him in the street I would nut the twonk
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 19, 2016, 02:50:34 PM

He'd get more game time with us as 3rd striker than he's likely to get at Stoke.  If you think we will get a better 3rd or 4th striker than Walters, or if you think he's not a step up on Anichebe/Lambert then I'd be amazed.

Please read what I actually said.  Comparing him with Negredo is of course nonsense.

I had read what you'd said. If you read what I said I stated that I think he'd be used here as a starter and not 3rd/4th choice. Assuming that happened then comparing him to Negredo isn't nonsense. As 3rd/4th choice then yes it's a no brainer but why would he move here for that other than a signing on fee?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 19, 2016, 02:58:21 PM
The **** has liked a tweet from sky saying stoke have bid 20m.

More fool anyone who treated him good last year after he rubbish on us as a club and continues to do so.
People actually thought he would sign a new contract  :D
I think if I ever saw him in the street I would nut the twonk

I do worry for some our fans at times, the ones who were happy to forgive Saido for what he has done, thinking that he had changed. Deluded.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 19, 2016, 03:23:09 PM
He doesn't want to stay, an offer of £17m + add-ons up to £20m (if true) is fair enough, so just sell him LFY. There's plenty of time to get a replacement, so the sale shouldn't be made dependent on a purchase. If we can't find a replacement who wants to come to us, then something is seriously wrong at the club.

Berahino should never play for Albion again in any type of game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 19, 2016, 03:27:57 PM
I do worry for some our fans at times, the ones who were happy to forgive Saido for what he has done, thinking that he had changed. Deluded.

Same here I can't understand the mind set of people who blow smoke up his harris
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 19, 2016, 03:47:01 PM
The **** has liked a tweet from sky saying stoke have bid 20m.

More fool anyone who treated him good last year after he rubbish on us as a club and continues to do so.
People actually thought he would sign a new contract  :D
I think if I ever saw him in the street I would nut the twonk

Do you follow twitter?
 go to @skyfootball & see if you can find a like on the tweet from sky

Also look at Saido's twitter feed & see how many tweets he had on July 16th & how many he has on the "alleged" tweet on his time line, are they the same?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 19, 2016, 03:56:42 PM
Do you follow twitter?
 go to @skyfootball & see if you can find a like on the tweet from sky

Also look at Saido's twitter feed & see how many tweets he had on July 16th & how many he has on the "alleged" tweet on his time line, are they the same?

I checked earlier today thinking it may be a hoax, but it was there, on his "likes" rather than retweets, he did like it, but he's unliked it now.

I saw it with my own eyes, I've backed him, I've allowed for his circumstances (no father figure and fairly stupid) and I've still had enough. Whoever buys him will get a good player for a year or until he thinks he's bigger than that pond too. Idiot, utter, utter idiot!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on July 19, 2016, 04:02:57 PM
I checked earlier today thinking it may be a hoax, but it was there, on his "likes" rather than retweets, he did like it, but he's unliked it now.

I saw it with my own eyes, I've backed him, I've allowed for his circumstances (no father figure and fairly stupid) and I've still had enough. Whoever buys him will get a good player for a year or until he thinks he's bigger than that pond too. Idiot, utter, utter idiot!

I also saw it!

Some are still defending him. I reckon he could break into some fans nan's house on a Sunday, take a dump on her Sunday dinner, and they'd still defend him!

I don't care if it leaves us light up front, i don't care if he scores 25 goals this season at another club, I don't care if he's the difference between staying up and going down (which I don't by the way)...get him out of our club!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 19, 2016, 04:11:30 PM
I had read what you'd said. If you read what I said I stated that I think he'd be used here as a starter and not 3rd/4th choice. Assuming that happened then comparing him to Negredo isn't nonsense. As 3rd/4th choice then yes it's a no brainer but why would he move here for that other than a signing on fee?

Ok - we are talking at crossed purposes.

Assuming he would actually want to come to sit on our bench as 3rd/4th choice striker rather than barely make the bench at Stoke, then it's a no brainer.

If he was coming to be used as a first choice then it would be extremely disappointing if we didn't have better options!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 19, 2016, 04:11:56 PM
Yes I apologise, he did like it, the number of likes on his account has gone down by 1. It was also posted around 4:00 am.

Indefensible I'm afraid. Ah well, next.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 19, 2016, 04:14:35 PM
Why would we take £17m plus £3m add-ons (which might never get paid) compared with taking a guaranteed £20m from Palace? 

£17m plus either Walters or Wilson might be the solution
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 19, 2016, 04:42:26 PM
Why would we take £17m plus £3m add-ons (which might never get paid) compared with taking a guaranteed £20m from Palace? 

£17m plus either Walters or Wilson might be the solution

No, no, no, no, no.

Walters is a solid pro, but Christ we need to be going for a better quality of player now ffs. Wilson is dire.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on July 19, 2016, 05:00:23 PM
The sad reality of it is Walters would walk into our side and is a typical Pulis player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: palmaroy on July 19, 2016, 05:12:53 PM
Take the 20 million for Saido and lets go for the three Sacko's.Sacko from West Ham ,Sacko from Palace and the Sacko for our Tone.(the icing on the cake)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 19, 2016, 06:30:24 PM
Accept the £20million and lets have done with it.

He doesn't want to be here and to be honest, I'll be glad to see the back of him and his attitude.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on July 19, 2016, 06:37:08 PM
Accept the £20million and lets have done with it.

He doesn't want to be here and to be honest, I'll be glad to see the back of him and his attitude.
At this point i couldn't agree more , great finisher but not nearly good enough as an overall player to hit the heights he wants to.Lets end this saga.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on July 19, 2016, 06:53:13 PM
The sad reality of it is Walters would walk into our side and is a typical Pulis player.
I agree with this, however this is also quite interesting:

Walters games last year - 27, goals 5
Berahino games last year 28, goals 4

Both played mostly from the bench with the odd start.
I wouldn't really want Walters at this stage of his career and he's never been fantastic. However, it does show that however talented Berahino is, he is somewhat useless without the right attitude.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 19, 2016, 07:26:22 PM
Can I ask.... All of the people butt-hurt about him liking a tweet, are you adults or children? Why the hell do you care what he likes or tweets? He will be going but please stop getting caught up with the bull****. You are no worse than last summers Berahino if that sort of thing bothers you. It ain't like he's burned a West Brom flag, he just wants to move on which for me is not a hangable offence.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 19, 2016, 07:32:28 PM
we all know he will excel in a team that gives him the service.Saido your a knob but you have the potential to get back in the England set up.Off you go sunny boy. Personally i think Palace would suit you better
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on July 19, 2016, 07:35:45 PM
I care about the way SB has/is going about his business and constantly dragging the good name of WBA through the mud.
Get rid,hes not going to any so called top team,who cares where he goes,get the dough and may be on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 19, 2016, 07:40:44 PM
I agree with this, however this is also quite interesting:

Walters games last year - 27, goals 5
Berahino games last year 28, goals 4

Both played mostly from the bench with the odd start.
I wouldn't really want Walters at this stage of his career and he's never been fantastic. However, it does show that however talented Berahino is, he is somewhat useless without the right attitude.

Interesting stats although it would be interesting to see how many goals Walters would score if played out of position in a very negative side. Berahino really should have been closer to 10 goals with some of the chances he missed. Minutes per goal ratios they are probably still ahead of Rondon!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Manc Baggie on July 19, 2016, 09:15:48 PM
Whilst I have been an admirer of berahino's talent & think he is the most natural & gifted finisher we have had for quite some time, his bad attitude & antics over a long period of time, the fact that this transfer saga has gone on way too long & that the bridge between player/chairman/manager appears to have been too badly burnt all mean it is untenable for him to stay. 
Agree a price, sell him & move on. However, I am not convinced that one of the apparent replacements, sakho, is any better in terms of either talent or attitude.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 19, 2016, 10:11:01 PM
Why would we take £17m plus £3m add-ons (which might never get paid) compared with taking a guaranteed £20m from Palace? 

£17m plus either Walters or Wilson might be the solution

Perhaps the Palace offer isn't £20m straight up either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on July 19, 2016, 10:21:59 PM
Whilst I have been an admirer of berahino's talent & think he is the most natural & gifted finisher we have had for quite some time, his bad attitude & antics over a long period of time, the fact that this transfer saga has gone on way too long & that the bridge between player/chairman/manager appears to have been too badly burnt all mean it is untenable for him to stay. 
Agree a price, sell him & move on. However, I am not convinced that one of the apparent replacements, sakho, is any better in terms of either talent or attitude.

Spot on. He's certainly up there as being one of the best finishers we've had over the years......but still no Odemwingie IMO. Either way we have to close the book on this farce - over the years we've had some tremendously gifted players....Koumas and Odemwingie Spring to mind, both whom (no doubt) would have been club heroes if they'd have seen the bigger picture. He's unfortunately just a kid who thinks his balls are now too big for WBA.....a few quid, a few goldiggin' (garden) hoes, and he's now Charlie big potatoes!! Bye Saido and good luck, I have a strange feeling you'll need it!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 19, 2016, 10:26:36 PM
No, no, no, no, no.

Walters is a solid pro, but Christ we need to be going for a better quality of player now ffs. Wilson is dire.

So in what way is Walters not a step up on Big Vic?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 19, 2016, 10:32:35 PM
Take the 20 million for Saido and lets go for the three Sacko's.Sacko from West Ham ,Sacko from Palace and the Sacko for our Tone.(the icing on the cake)
I bloody like this 😊
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on July 19, 2016, 10:34:02 PM
So in what way is Walters not a step up on Big Vic?

Eh? Walters is not a step up, they're about the same we need better quality. Not squad players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 19, 2016, 11:19:26 PM
Eh? Walters is not a step up, they're about the same we need better quality. Not squad players.

About the same?  I don't recall Big Vic being a regular 10 goal a season man.  Did I miss something?

Of course we need better quality. That's obvious.  I'm merely talking about upgrading our bench.  Walters would unequivocally be a step up on either Lambert or Anichebe.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 20, 2016, 12:29:33 AM
Tonight it looks like Saido has one foot out of the door. It is apparent that either Stoke or Palace will stump up the £20m asking price although the deal might be delayed while we line up a replacement.

Why anyone thinks that Walters at the age of 32 (soon to be 33) is a good idea let alone a replacement for Saido is utterly beyond me. He never scored 10 league goals under Pulis, predictably his scoring rate has increased under Hughes despite having less game time. Better than Lambert or Anichebe  is such a terrible benchmark that it is almost meaningless.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 20, 2016, 07:43:45 AM

The debate on Berahino is finished . He's history and his stats overall are decent and worthy of 20m as a 22 year old . Overall though, there's been more to him and the fans have never really loved him and vice versa not least because he's made some silly and apparently spiteful decisions . He's not a likeable guy , he seems a spoilt brat . The essence of WBA has always been a 'family club' , he's been like the moody , petulant teenager of the family for too long now . Body language between him and other players doesn't seem positive effect when scores?

If we replace Anichebe/ Lambert with quality and strength and Berahinho with goals we really wouldn't miss this little annoyance when he's gone . It's all ifs of course but if we could pull somehow off deals for Sakho from WH and Bono (loan) from City we'd have a lethal looking strike force on paper which even a super defensive manager would surely extract goals from.

The point for me isn't whether he goes , I can't wait till he does tbh - the point is we need to replace him with someone who is real quality.

He then becomes a success because we received 20m for a player who cost virtually nowt.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 20, 2016, 08:51:33 AM
About the same?  I don't recall Big Vic being a regular 10 goal a season man.  Did I miss something?

Of course we need better quality. That's obvious.  I'm merely talking about upgrading our bench.  Walters would unequivocally be a step up on either Lambert or Anichebe.

39 league goals in 203 apps in the Prem for Stoke. Pretty woeful really when you consider a lot of them were penalties.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on July 20, 2016, 08:53:09 AM
The debate on Berahino is finished . He's history and his stats overall are decent and worthy of 20m as a 22 year old . Overall though, there's been more to him and the fans have never really loved him and vice versa not least because he's made some silly and apparently spiteful decisions . He's not a likeable guy , he seems a spoilt brat . The essence of WBA has always been a 'family club' , he's been like the moody , petulant teenager of the family for too long now . Body language between him and other players doesn't seem positive effect when scores?

If we replace Anichebe/ Lambert with quality and strength and Berahinho with goals we really wouldn't miss this little annoyance when he's gone . It's all ifs of course but if we could pull somehow off deals for Sakho from WH and Bono (loan) from City we'd have a lethal looking strike force on paper which even a super defensive manager would surely extract goals from.

The point for me isn't whether he goes , I can't wait till he does tbh - the point is we need to replace him with someone who is real quality.

He then becomes a success because we received 20m for a player who cost virtually nowt.
Not sure U2 would be willing to let him go and he might be a bit on the short side for Pulis.
Can't fault his PRIDE though.  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on July 20, 2016, 09:32:29 AM
About the same?  I don't recall Big Vic being a regular 10 goal a season man.  Did I miss something?

Of course we need better quality. That's obvious.  I'm merely talking about upgrading our bench.  Walters would unequivocally be a step up on either Lambert or Anichebe.

He's never scored more than 8 goals in a premier league season with stoke, infact, he's only ever reached double figures once in his career.

We need better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on July 20, 2016, 09:37:15 AM
I think people are missing the point if they are only looking at people getting upset about Saido liking tweets in a vacuum. It is because this is about example 38 of him acting disrespectful of his very fortunate career and the employers and fans who pay for his very privileged salary.

Would be interesting to see a poll ran on here about which person you like more. James Mcclean or Saido Berahino. Incidentally Mcclean paid for a 2 year olds funeral yesterday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on July 20, 2016, 09:37:29 AM
39 league goals in 203 apps in the Prem for Stoke. Pretty woeful really when you consider a lot of them were penalties.

It's not woeful when you consider less than 10% of those games have been as a number 9.

It's irrelevant anyway, it's laziness linking Pulis with Walters, Crouch and Wilson every window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 20, 2016, 09:39:00 AM
Not sure U2 would be willing to let him go and he might be a bit on the short side for Pulis.
Can't fault his PRIDE though.  :D

Ha ha Bono would at least entertain us if he's alone upfront for long periods whilst we defend !!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on July 20, 2016, 09:55:50 AM
Not sure U2 would be willing to let him go and he might be a bit on the short side for Pulis.
Can't fault his PRIDE though.  :D

You never know, he might be able to provide The Edge we are looking for, on the other hand he may never find it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 20, 2016, 10:20:16 AM
So in what way is Walters not a step up on Big Vic?

He's a step up from Big Vic purely because you can get him on the pitch, but you're completely missing my point.

Walters is a good, honest, pro, but we have been in the Premier League for over 7 years now, we should not be going for the likes of Walters, we have plenty of 'squad' players, we need genuine quality in the line up now to add to the squad players that we already have who can 'do a job' for us. Stoke did this by going for the likes of Bojan, Shaqiri et al, we should be in the same bracket as them, moulding a squad of genuine quality to strive for the top ten, not just staying up year on year.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on July 20, 2016, 10:27:06 AM
I think everyone will be glad when he`s gone and this thread can be shut down for good.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on July 20, 2016, 10:38:18 AM
If the only hold up to us selling Berahino is we need a replacement, i can only assume Pulis "still hasnt found what he's looking for!"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 20, 2016, 10:52:58 AM
If the only hold up to us selling Berahino is we need a replacement, i can only assume Pulis "still hasnt found what he's looking for!"

It'll probably be 'New Years Day' before he does but I doubt if he ever will because he has some 'Mysterious Ways'.
He keeps looking for players 'Where The Streets Have No Name' who show a bit of  'Pride' and when he finds the 'One' it will certainly be a 'Beautiful Day'
Berahino isn't the answer to our prayers we need somebody 'Better Than The Real Thing' who can push us up the league to a position where we're likely to get 'Verigo'
Yes Saido we'll still be supporting our boys 'With Or Without You'
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on July 20, 2016, 11:11:09 AM
He's a step up from Big Vic purely because you can get him on the pitch, but you're completely missing my point.

Walters is a good, honest, pro, but we have been in the Premier League for over 7 years now, we should not be going for the likes of Walters, we have plenty of 'squad' players, we need genuine quality in the line up now to add to the squad players that we already have who can 'do a job' for us. Stoke did this by going for the likes of Bojan, Shaqiri et al, we should be in the same bracket as them, moulding a squad of genuine quality to strive for the top ten, not just staying up year on year.

To be fair we don't have plenty of squad players in attacking positions. If Berahino leaves we only have Rondon, and Lambert who is a lot worse than a squad player. So 1/2 squad players would be very welcome along with a proper Saido replacement.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 20, 2016, 12:43:10 PM
After his very childish outburst and subsequent apology...
I was prepared to forgive, but he has done nothing on the field to warrant keeping him.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on July 20, 2016, 12:54:47 PM
can we forget about walters and crouch please, we don't need these guys.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on July 20, 2016, 01:15:55 PM
The issue here isn't about Walters, it's about Berahino.

I think the plan is to sell him to Stoke and use the money to buy Sakho. But why go after Sakho? He has known personal problems (arguably worse than Berahino) and isn't as good. I don't mind selling Berahino but if we do I would like us to go for a safer bet than Sakho who is a liability. Someone like another Rondon would be ideal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 20, 2016, 01:23:46 PM
You never know, he might be able to provide The Edge we are looking for, on the other hand he may never find it.

Bony is even better than the real thing 😜
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 20, 2016, 02:00:13 PM
The issue here isn't about Walters, it's about Berahino.

I think the plan is to sell him to Stoke and use the money to buy Sakho. But why go after Sakho? He has known personal problems (arguably worse than Berahino) and isn't as good. I don't mind selling Berahino but if we do I would like us to go for a safer bet than Sakho who is a liability. Someone like another Rondon would be ideal.

We need someone with a better all round game than Rondon. Someone with pace who can create themselves. Rondon is a grafter and needs chances on a plate. What we really need is another Odemwingie.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 20, 2016, 02:43:05 PM
What we need is someone with good pace, will work hard and is good in wide areas.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on July 20, 2016, 03:16:14 PM
I would imagine if we can bring in another wide man, that they will look at pushing Phillips further in field as a striker.

Im guessing a move isnt close either as he has been included in the tour team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 20, 2016, 03:23:17 PM
Someone like another Rondon would be ideal.
Such as Brown Ideye perhaps?!  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Blakey on July 20, 2016, 04:43:54 PM
Bid accepted I'm hearing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on July 20, 2016, 04:47:55 PM
Bid accepted I'm hearing
Would be a surprise given the bid came in yesterday and we flew him to the Netherlands with the squad this morning. I saw this pop up earlier today from a very dubious Twitter account which appears to be someone pretending to be an agent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 20, 2016, 05:27:26 PM
Bid accepted I'm hearing
I wish people wouldn't post this kind of stuff without attributing it to someone. If you're ITK, then please say so, but if you've just read it somewhere, then please also provide the source where you read it so that people can check it out for themselves.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 20, 2016, 07:07:30 PM
I wish people wouldn't post this kind of stuff without attributing it to someone. If you're ITK, then please say so, but if you've just read it somewhere, then please also provide the source where you read it so that people can check it out for themselves.

There's one of those 'agents' on twitter that have said it and that's the only place I've seen and clearly some have fallen for it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on July 20, 2016, 07:27:20 PM
Bid accepted I'm hearing


Doubt it given the fact he has flow out to the Netherlands.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 20, 2016, 11:35:06 PM

Doubt it given the fact he has flow out to the Netherlands.

West Ham have reportedly just agreed a fee with AC Milan for Bacca.  Player now deciding whether he wants Champions League only.  If not, then Sakho could be on his way, but whether it's to us or to Palace or Sunderland is the key.  Probably not Sunderland with Big Sam getting the England job.  If he goes to Palace then we are still striker-less and Berahino can't go anywhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 21, 2016, 12:12:07 AM
It would be moronic of the highest level to sell Saido without us getting someone in first. I dare say we can agree a deal in principle, but that doesn't mean much till we get our guy in first (not Sakho i hope!)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: rogerstubbs on July 21, 2016, 01:00:53 PM
Not knocking either saido or the wolves,but if seems symptomatic of the world we live in that at £20 million he is valued at nearly half what the wolves have been sold for.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on July 21, 2016, 02:12:13 PM
Hey roger,thats an interesting thought that you've come up with,i must admit that comparison didn't cross my mind at all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on July 21, 2016, 04:24:35 PM
Not knocking either saido or the wolves,but if seems symptomatic of the world we live in that at £20 million he is valued at nearly half what the wolves have been sold for.

I think stoke would be getting the better deal ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on July 22, 2016, 07:42:26 PM
Reporter from sky stating that Palace have made a bid in excess of 20 million tonight

@SkySportsNewsHQ  3m3 minutes ago
BREAKING: Crystal Palace make bid in excess of £20m for West Brom striker Saido Berahino: http://skysports.tv/P9BfKa
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 22, 2016, 07:52:07 PM
Palace ain't messing around are they. They mean business. I'm a bit jealous to be honest. I know many disagree, but I would be happy to see him run his contract down. He's looked head and shoulders our best player in pre-season which tells me that he is moving in the right direction. Although I would be happy with 22mil and Sakho for 15-16m. I rate Sakho and he's a proven scorer in the Prem. He would compliment Rondon's attributes too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on July 22, 2016, 07:58:24 PM
Palace ain't messing around are they. They mean business. I'm a bit jealous to be honest. I know many disagree, but I would be happy to see him run his contract down. He's looked head and shoulders our best player in pre-season which tells me that he is moving in the right direction. Although I would be happy with 22mil and Sakho for 15-16m. I rate Sakho and he's a proven scorer in the Prem. He would compliment Rondon's attributes too.
quite a few reports saying that palace lead the chase for Sakho, now they've also bid for Saido . be interesting how this plays out and surely they're not after both players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on July 22, 2016, 08:11:28 PM
Start the car, I will take him myself..........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on July 22, 2016, 08:28:58 PM
Lets have a whip around to buy him a single train ticket London bound  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 22, 2016, 08:33:09 PM
quite a few reports saying that palace lead the chase for Sakho, now they've also bid for Saido . be interesting how this plays out and surely they're not after both players.

Palace have nothing up front so wouldn't be surprised to see them sign both.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 22, 2016, 08:33:17 PM
Palace using a scattergun approach when it comes to getting a striker this summer, either way we can now play Stoke off against Palace to get that extra few quid out of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on July 22, 2016, 08:35:37 PM
Palace have nothing up front so wouldn't be surprised to see them sign both.
Pardew loves wickham and they only play one up top. Also got Frazier Campbell as backup
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on July 22, 2016, 10:11:34 PM
20 million plus add ons from Palace rejected
WTF
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on July 22, 2016, 10:13:01 PM
20 million plus add ons from Palace rejected
WTF

3 million in add ons according to the BBC. Seems odd really being as he doesn't want to be here and all the problems we've had with him. Just get rid now the monies in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 22, 2016, 10:18:46 PM
Basically turned down £23 million for a player who has one year left on his contract. Either we know 100% we can get more for him or we are just being very stupid
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on July 22, 2016, 10:19:19 PM
Ultimate poker player!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zac on July 22, 2016, 10:27:49 PM
Basically turned down £23 million for a player who has one year left on his contract. Either we know 100% we can get more for him or we are just being very stupid

At a guess i would say the latter.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on July 22, 2016, 10:38:20 PM
I very much doubt that stupidity has anything g to do with it...

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on July 22, 2016, 10:43:09 PM
Why are we rejecting these bids , its ridiculous
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on July 22, 2016, 10:47:39 PM
I don't think we've rejected d anything, nothing reported local about rejecting it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on July 22, 2016, 10:49:07 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stance-west-brom-adopt-after-11653752
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on July 22, 2016, 11:35:45 PM
Peace has been willing to tell anyone since day one that bidding will start at £25m and not a penny less. He will either get his £25m or he is fully willing for him to leave via tribunal to prove his stance that we as a club won't be bullied into a sale.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on July 22, 2016, 11:41:53 PM
I am not going to read any more Berahino links on this forum until it has changed to 'Saido Berahino signs for .....' This long running saga has bored me to tears. Get on with it JP, sort it out and find his replacement.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 22, 2016, 11:45:47 PM
Peace has been willing to tell anyone since day one that bidding will start at £25m and not a penny less. He will either get his £25m or he is fully willing for him to leave via tribunal to prove his stance that we as a club won't be bullied into a sale.

Too right, I didn't sell my house until I was offered what is was worth in the market at the time,

Some of the crazy money flying around suggests 25m is about right for an English , 22 year old striker who has already scored regularly in the premier league.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on July 23, 2016, 01:51:29 AM
25 millions plus 50% of future transfer, or run down contract and get at least 15 millions in tribunal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 23, 2016, 07:37:30 AM
I think the club does need to sell, I don't think that this saga can be allowed to run beyond this window. We have £20m if we can get a few more million great but as nearly everything else seems to hinge on this deal as it did last summer we can't afford to let it blight another summer and another season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 23, 2016, 08:34:05 AM
Definitely standaman, looks like we're already trying to spend the Saido money before he's gone if reports are believed which is sensible ( Schlupp, Dunk, Sakho would probably cost around 25m in fees)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 23, 2016, 08:45:45 AM
Its a dangerous game to be playing but if anyone can milk that last couple of million out of someone it will be Peace.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on July 23, 2016, 08:46:49 AM
Peace has been willing to tell anyone since day one that bidding will start at £25m and not a penny less. He will either get his £25m or he is fully willing for him to leave via tribunal to prove his stance that we as a club won't be bullied into a sale.
What are you referring to as day one ? Last summers window , January,  this window ? Saido's value must have slid relatively due to the goings on of the last year AND now he's in the final year of his deal. I'm far from a Peace basher but surely if the bid is £20m plus add-ons it's better to bank the money and move on rather than wait for a tribunal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 23, 2016, 08:55:33 AM
What are you referring to as day one ? Last summers window , January,  this window ? Saido's value must have slid relatively due to the goings on of the last year AND now he's in the final year of his deal. I'm far from a Peace basher but surely if the bid is £20m plus add-ons it's better to bank the money and move on rather than wait for a tribunal.

The value of players has soared this summer so it would be absolutely no surprise if we want the same fee now that we would have demanded last summer despite his form and contract situation. He's playing two clubs off against one another and if rumours are to be believed that a takeover is close it won't be his decision to make for much longer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on July 23, 2016, 09:00:07 AM
I like JP hardball stance and the fact we are known to be tough negotiators.

However on this one i think he may of got it wrong if he wants £25m.

If that was what he was valued at this time last year then fair enough but since then another year has gone off his contract, he has become known for being a pain in the a**e and perhaps more importantly, contributed nothing on a football pitch for nearly a season so i dont see how he can be valued as he was this time last year.

It shows it all instead of clubs like Spurs, Arsenal and Man United looking at him (as rumoured last year) instead its Palace, Stoke and Watford, that shows how far his stock has fell.

If we get offered £20m i would take that and add in a couple of million in add ons, regardless of all the money coming into the league now, an extra £5m which JP seems to want i think is too much for Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 23, 2016, 09:40:50 AM
The value of players has soared this summer so it would be absolutely no surprise if we want the same fee now that we would have demanded last summer despite his form and contract situation. He's playing two clubs off against one another and if rumours are to be believed that a takeover is close it won't be his decision to make for much longer.

True, 25m this summer is lady summer's 15m
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 23, 2016, 10:31:04 AM
Pinched....
Quote....
I have a feeling that Berahino will stay. He has stated his problem is with Peace and not the club. With this takeover looking more likely I reckon the new owners have met him and have offered him a ridiculous contract.
Unquote.

Have met or will meet?
Prefer that he is gone and yesterday's news.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 23, 2016, 10:58:16 AM
Definitely standaman, looks like we're already trying to spend the Saido money before he's gone if reports are believed which is sensible ( Schlupp, Dunk, Sakho would probably cost around 25m in fees)

With the extra TV money surely we should be able to buy these players without selling Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 23, 2016, 11:19:34 AM
Maybe it is the extra tv money and we'll spend 20m on a fantastic , driving, box to box midfielder?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on July 23, 2016, 11:22:35 AM
Maybe it is the extra tv money and we'll spend 20m on a fantastic , driving, box to box midfielder?

We would coach it all out of him and ensure he tracks back. If not, he would be relegated to the development squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on July 23, 2016, 11:29:27 AM
We would coach it all out of him and ensure he tracks back. If not, he would be relegated to the development squad.
A box to box midfielder does track back.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 23, 2016, 07:47:19 PM
Just wondering if Saido was at another club say palace,with an identical record.
How many of you would want to buy him, and how many would be on here saying "why won't we just pay the bloody 25m."...?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 23, 2016, 08:30:39 PM
Just wondering if Saido was at another club say palace,with an identical record.
How many of you would want to buy him, and how many would be on here saying "why won't we just pay the bloody 25m."...?

I would. He's quality and under a 2+year contract is worth £35mil+. Also been head and shoulders our best player in pre-season. He's obviously knuckled down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on July 24, 2016, 12:41:51 PM
He's only " knuckled down" to try and get a move to bigger clubs than palace or stoke.
He knows he's off just a matter of jp sorting out the fee.
What a selfish little chap he really is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 24, 2016, 01:27:10 PM
He's only " knuckled down" to try and get a move to bigger clubs than palace or stoke.
He knows he's off just a matter of jp sorting out the fee.
What a selfish little chap he really is.

We all have to be somewhat selfish in this life to get on. You are right, he knows that he has no option but to knuckle down but that would benefit us if he stays. I know he has acted in a bratty and immature way but he really hasn't done anything that bad to warrant the reaction he gets from lots of our supporters who have a vendetta against. I'll be happy to see him go for 25mil or equally as happy to have him banging in the goals for another season now he has knuckled down. We would still get a record fee from a tribunal. I'm sure it won't come to that though and everyone will get their wish with him leaving the club for mega money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 24, 2016, 01:50:13 PM
We all have to be somewhat selfish in this life to get on. You are right, he knows that he has no option but to knuckle down but that would benefit us if he stays. I know he has acted in a bratty and immature way but he really hasn't done anything that bad to warrant the reaction he gets from lots of our supporters who have a vendetta against. I'll be happy to see him go for 25mil or equally as happy to have him banging in the goals for another season now he has knuckled down. We would still get a record fee from a tribunal. I'm sure it won't come to that though and everyone will get their wish with him leaving the club for mega money.

Do you honestly think he'll bang in the goals whilst playing out of position in a very negative side? I like him but he has to go for everyones sake.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 24, 2016, 02:44:24 PM
Do you honestly think he'll bang in the goals whilst playing out of position in a very negative side? I like him but he has to go for everyones sake.

I agree with you.  Putting all the off-field stuff to one side, he doesn't suit our style of play and if we don't go for two up front then there's no point in us holding on to him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 24, 2016, 03:01:21 PM
Irrespective of whether we have a replacement or not we should sell. £20m is a great price, to hold out for more is a big risk. Even if the club have an option for an extra year value won't be added because he doesn't want to be here. I don't understand the mentality we need to replace before we sell. He contributed little last year, sell, worry after.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on July 24, 2016, 03:49:33 PM
Do you honestly think he'll bang in the goals whilst playing out of position in a very negative side? I like him but he has to go for everyones sake.
Played well enough after Pulis came in playing behind Ideye and scored a few too. While Pulis set up is more negative Berahino himself lacks plenty of things to go to the top , if he had knuckled down after Spurs cheap offers i think he would be a much improved player overall now by learning the number 10 slot as he was doing under Pulis at that point.
At this moment i'd sell for just over 20 million to move on for both parties.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 24, 2016, 03:59:20 PM
For the record, I'm still proud of Albion for turning down Spurs insulting offers because they felt they had us over a barrel.

I'd only sell him this summer for a good fee and when we have someone in (or on the brink) to replace him.

Saido will do well for whoever he goes to, but he'll never be top level as his mind isn't right. I actually feel bad for him. No dad, not particularly bright and obviously has snakes in his ear whispering. It must be tough, i know, i know, "cry me a river", but seriously, it must be a very easy place to make a mistake when leeches are trying their best to talk you in to stupid, short term stuff.

I wish him well once he goes. (as long as it's not to our detriment!)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on July 24, 2016, 06:18:41 PM
I think we will buy another striker before we sell saido,so jp cant overcharged,i mean if we sell him first the club we buy off will then know were flush with sb money and try to up the price.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RogerBadoo on July 24, 2016, 06:41:08 PM
I think the club is playing it very sensibly around Saido. He'll leave before the window shuts. Why sell him today in a sellers market. We have just offered £9m for Dunk and maybe as much as £10m for Schlupp. So that tells us that the market has grown significantly since last year. What was £6m this time last season is now £10m on that basis and keeping in mind British talent always costs more I would not be at all surprised to see the final sale figure in the region of £25m. And if it is and we are only a week before the deadline so be it. I would force Palace, Stoke and potentially others to wait as they become more desperate the price will spiral upwards.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 24, 2016, 09:26:45 PM
I think we will buy another striker before we sell saido,so jp cant overcharged,i mean if we sell him first the club we buy off will then know were flush with sb money and try to up the price.

Strikes me that we have all our eggs in one basket with Sakho, once West Ham get another striker it will likely set off a chain of events that will ultimately lead to us letting Saido go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on July 24, 2016, 09:38:27 PM
I think the club is playing it very sensibly around Saido. He'll leave before the window shuts. Why sell him today in a sellers market. We have just offered £9m for Dunk and maybe as much as £10m for Schlupp. So that tells us that the market has grown significantly since last year. What was £6m this time last season is now £10m on that basis and keeping in mind British talent always costs more I would not be at all surprised to see the final sale figure in the region of £25m. And if it is and we are only a week before the deadline so be it. I would force Palace, Stoke and potentially others to wait as they become more desperate the price will spiral upwards.
....or Stoke and Palace will decide not to increase offers / get fed up and walk away leaving us and Saido back at square one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on July 25, 2016, 12:09:16 AM
why is everyone so sure hes going to leave? is there any facts yet or just all nonsense rumours still? because judging by his twitter (which is partly why people dislike him) its full of 'wba' images and its even his Bio... hes even followed the clubs twitter again!  :o

Just doesn't seem like hes going anywhere to be honest, why would he go from wanting to leave and not even being able to tell who he plays for to a guy who has put it all over his social media if he's waiting to leave.. just seems abit odd tbh
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 25, 2016, 07:39:52 AM
Do you honestly think he'll bang in the goals whilst playing out of position in a very negative side? I like him but he has to go for everyones sake.

Yes. He's done it for Pulis before.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on July 25, 2016, 08:03:31 AM
I think we will buy another striker before we sell saido,so jp cant overcharged,i mean if we sell him first the club we buy off will then know were flush with sb money and try to up the price.

Not exactly, I am sure british clubs will all be aware of the situation with Saido and know that hes 99% likely to leave (so we will come into that money at somepoint), and we also need to buy at least 1 striker anyway.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on July 25, 2016, 08:54:21 AM
why is everyone so sure hes going to leave? is there any facts yet or just all nonsense rumours still? because judging by his twitter (which is partly why people dislike him) its full of 'wba' images and its even his Bio... hes even followed the clubs twitter again!  :o

Just doesn't seem like hes going anywhere to be honest, why would he go from wanting to leave and not even being able to tell who he plays for to a guy who has put it all over his social media if he's waiting to leave.. just seems abit odd tbh

So why turn down a new contract ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on July 25, 2016, 08:56:51 AM
Perhaps he will set his clock for 4.00am tomorrow to find out if he has a new boss before he makes his move.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on July 25, 2016, 09:17:27 AM
So why turn down a new contract ?

Is it fact that he has? And what was in the contract? Just all hear say and rumours to me
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 25, 2016, 09:22:22 AM
Yes. He's done it for Pulis before.

When played up front he did. He's wasted playing behind Rondon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 25, 2016, 02:38:46 PM
I don't know if there's any truth in this but this article is suggesting we've turned down £23m for Berahino

http://www.palace.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=453472

If true I can't see anybody willing to pay much more that that.
Looks like JP's not blinking on this one
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 25, 2016, 02:40:47 PM
I don't know if there's any truth in this but this article is suggesting we've turned down £23m for Berahino

http://www.palace.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=453472

If true I can't see anybody willing to pay much more that that.
Looks like JP's not blinking on this one

Might be on strict instructions from Beijing 😉
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 25, 2016, 02:45:47 PM
why is everyone so sure hes going to leave? is there any facts yet or just all nonsense rumours still? because judging by his twitter (which is partly why people dislike him) its full of 'wba' images and its even his Bio... hes even followed the clubs twitter again!  :o

Just doesn't seem like hes going anywhere to be honest, why would he go from wanting to leave and not even being able to tell who he plays for to a guy who has put it all over his social media if he's waiting to leave.. just seems abit odd tbh

I'd have stood toe to toe with you on that, until he liked that sky tweet. I suspect it was a bit of sarcasm on his part, but at best it was ill judged, & he's actually alienated a lot more fans because of it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 25, 2016, 10:05:15 PM
I'd have stood toe to toe with you on that, until he liked that sky tweet. I suspect it was a bit of sarcasm on his part, but at best it was ill judged, & he's actually alienated a lot more fans because of it.
People use social media so they can have some sort of dialect or information , when they get it they complain.
If he says nothing he's ignorant
If he says something good he's being sarcastic
If he doesn't go on there he's avoiding
How does anybody win?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on July 25, 2016, 10:14:24 PM
One of the best (and in my opinion) most profound comments regarding 'personal' tweets came around 12 months ago from our ex Prime Minister, Mr David Cameron....and I 'quote'...."too many tweets make a tw*t"! Never a true word hey!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on July 26, 2016, 02:19:44 PM
People use social media so they can have some sort of dialect or information , when they get it they complain.
If he says nothing he's ignorant
If he says something good he's being sarcastic
If he doesn't go on there he's avoiding
How does anybody win?

It's not the best idea in the world though, to like a tweet that associates you with moving to another club. WBA fans don't do cryptic very well, this forum should tell you that.
I've got a lot of time for Saido & I think overall, he's been misunderstood, & definitely advised wrongly. You would have thought, that with all the work he does with disadvantaged kids, he'd be switched on to fan's emotions, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on July 28, 2016, 10:06:10 AM
With the takeover looking likely to happen, does anyone think this may change Saidos decision/new owners will want to keep him etc etc...


(p.s sorry to those who will have saw this notification and thought he had been sold  :D)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pie on July 28, 2016, 10:19:41 AM
I've been thinking about what I want from this Berahino saga for a while now, so far I've pulled it down to three options:

- He stays, plays well and scores lots of goals. This will be great for the team results wise but inside I will know he only really cares for himself and with every goal he scores that we celebrate its like we are insulting ourselves. He then leaves, we get a reasonable amount via tribunal.

- He stays, plays badly like the majority of last year, stays unfit and overweight, we lose him and get a smaller amount via tribunal.

- He goes now, we pocket £20m , finally get a sulky player away from the club with which comes better team spirit and more support from the fans. We may not replace him with a player of his quality but hopefully its someone who tries hard an is loved by the fans.

I know which option I prefer.

P.S with every option Berahino will score every game he plays against WBA and celebrate like mad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on July 28, 2016, 12:07:27 PM
I've been thinking about what I want from this Berahino saga for a while now, so far I've pulled it down to three options:

- He stays, plays well and scores lots of goals. This will be great for the team results wise but inside I will know he only really cares for himself and with every goal he scores that we celebrate its like we are insulting ourselves. He then leaves, we get a reasonable amount via tribunal.

- He stays, plays badly like the majority of last year, stays unfit and overweight, we lose him and get a smaller amount via tribunal.

- He goes now, we pocket £20m , finally get a sulky player away from the club with which comes better team spirit and more support from the fans. We may not replace him with a player of his quality but hopefully its someone who tries hard an is loved by the fans.

I know which option I prefer.

P.S with every option Berahino will score every game he plays against WBA and celebrate like mad.

You forgot the 4th option mate....
He stays, signs a new contract, scores 20 goals each season for us, becomes a club legend and has a statue erected in his honour 😉 :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 28, 2016, 12:17:01 PM
He'll probably ask for £125k a week if we're taken over.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kirk on July 28, 2016, 10:14:51 PM
Just read some comments from his old agent, when Brentford sent him back to use while he was on loan to them because of his behaviour Dan Ashworth sacked him .. The agent pleaded for him to be given a second chance which Dan agreed too. 2 weeks later the agent gets a call from Berahino who says 'what have you done for me' his reply 'I've saved your career' just get rid and get someone who wants to play for us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 29, 2016, 12:40:00 AM
Just read some comments from his old agent, when Brentford sent him back to use while he was on loan to them because of his behaviour Dan Ashworth sacked him .. The agent pleaded for him to be given a second chance which Dan agreed too. 2 weeks later the agent gets a call from Berahino who says 'what have you done for me' his reply 'I've saved your career' just get rid and get someone who wants to play for us

We will.... as soon as someone coughs up £25 million
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on July 29, 2016, 12:44:11 AM
You forgot the 4th option mate....
He stays, signs a new contract, scores 20 goals each season for us, becomes a club legend and has a statue erected in his honour 😉 :P
.  There'll  never be another a statue built for anyone , those day have defiantly gone . They broke the mould when they made players like Bomber
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 29, 2016, 07:51:05 AM
I'd say Rondon has more of the fans respect after 1 year than Berahinho would ever have. Berahino seems to be the typical detached, modern day spoilt young footballer who believes he's better than the mere mortals who pay his wages. He'll surely gets lots of the attention he craves at his next club though .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 29, 2016, 09:52:57 AM
He's just a horrible person, sooner we are rid the better but sadly with all things Albion, it was inevitably going to be long and drawn out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on July 29, 2016, 11:23:41 AM
He's just a horrible person

Do you know him personally? Or are you making assumptions based on what the media tell you?

Nothing wrong with wanting to better yourself and boost your career and earnings, if there is then I must be a horrible person too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 29, 2016, 11:36:38 AM
Do you know him personally? Or are you making assumptions based on what the media tell you?

Nothing wrong with wanting to better yourself and boost your career and earnings, if there is then I must be a horrible person too.

It only really takes one look at him and his behaviour over a number of years to be fairly confident in your assumption. Ways and means with anything in life and you will ultimately be judged by those that you have taken. It is not as if this saga has been a one off, he has had a number of problems throughout his fledgling career, the fact that Brentford could stand him no more speaks volumes.

You could well be; I have not had the opportunity to observe you over a number of years as I have with our Saido  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on July 29, 2016, 11:37:04 AM
Do you know him personally? Or are you making assumptions based on what the media tell you?

Nothing wrong with wanting to better yourself and boost your career and earnings, if there is then I must be a horrible person too.

Exactly, the place I work now gave me my first job when I was struggling but if some other company offered to triple my wages I'd want to leave and if my boss said no I'd be an backside hole to try and force him!

Players aren't fans like us and don't really care much about the club the same as I'd say 99% of the people on here don't care too much about the company they work for as long as they continue to pay them a wage.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 29, 2016, 11:42:56 AM
He's just a horrible person, sooner we are rid the better but sadly with all things Albion, it was inevitably going to be long and drawn out.

So if he's so horrible, why are people who know him not corroborating that opinion? It's very naive to have an extreme negative opinion on somebody who I am assuming you don't even know on a personal level. Lots of kids his age, act like a p***k only to mature and grow through experience to become decent people. Anders Brevik, Joseph Fritzl, Fred and Rose West are examples of horrible people. Berahino is a kid who grew up without a father, witnessed things that many of will never see or should see, was put in a position where he was making more money than he could handle and as a result made some immature and bad decisions. This doesn't mean he's a horrible person, it means he's just got a little bit of growing up to do. I wish our supporters who are hating on him would realise this and see it for what it is. Give the kid a break.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 29, 2016, 11:51:06 AM
Do you know him personally? Or are you making assumptions based on what the media tell you?

Nothing wrong with wanting to better yourself and boost your career and earnings, if there is then I must be a horrible person too.

Spot on for me. You'd have to ask why would anyone with any ambition want to play for us at the moment? I'd rather have more players like this than the ones who have been here years and are going through the motions. I'm sure TP said something similar last year.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 29, 2016, 11:54:06 AM
He's not horrible, Marlon King is horrible (in a day to day measure) and obviously the ones Vanderlei mention are horrible at a world level.

Saido is just a very easy lead lad who doesn't have good support, with snakes whispering in his ear.

As i've put before, i sort of feel bad for him. But big picture i feel no ill will to him.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pie on July 29, 2016, 12:22:42 PM
There is a line between having ambition and wanting to better yourself and acting like an backside.

As posted above, pretty much all of us have ambition and want pay rises/promotions in our jobs/hope for a better job elsewhere.

However I don't act like a twit at work just because I know I will be in a better place in the future, I get stuck in and help my colleagues.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 29, 2016, 12:30:14 PM
There is a line between having ambition and wanting to better yourself and acting like an backside.

As posted above, pretty much all of us have ambition and want pay rises/promotions in our jobs/hope for a better job elsewhere.

However I don't act like a twit at work just because I know I will be in a better place in the future, I get stuck in and help my colleagues.

Are you trying to tell us that you have never acted like a bellend at some point in your life? We all have made mistakes, especially in our younger years. How is this any different?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 29, 2016, 02:19:52 PM
Are you trying to tell us that you have never acted like a bellend at some point in your life? We all have made mistakes, especially in our younger years. How is this any different?

I think we all accept that we have done things we wish we hadn't but this lad comes across as a serial offender to me.
The idea is to learn from your mistakes not keep giving repeat performances.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 29, 2016, 03:03:12 PM
I think we all accept that we have done things we wish we hadn't but this lad comes across as a serial offender to me.
The idea is to learn from your mistakes not keep giving repeat performances.

Some people take longer than others though, and the offences he has committed have hardly been that bad if you look at things from an objective point of view. Don't get me wrong, I think he has acted like an ass on several occasions deservedly got stick from our support for it, but too many people are holding and "over the top grudge" against the kid. If we get £25mil, I'm happy for him to go and I will wish him well. If not then, I'm happy for him to stay as he is a good striker who we will find hard to replace. I can't base that on some stupid tweet he made, or because he had a hit of laughing gas. I'd be a hypocrite as I've had laughing gas at the dentists and it didn't do me any harm. The drink driving was stupid for sure, but I'm sure there are people on here who have done the same thing and regretted it. We're only human and we will make mistakes as we grow. Throw in a 15k/week paycheck and that accelerates all of the dumb stuff you could potentially achieve because you can afford the fast cars, expensive champagne. I know lots of people who were a lot worse morally than Saido in their teens and early 20's who are now respectable family men/women. This is because they grew up at some point. That's the only problem with Saido, he's an immature lad that acts before he thinks. He certainly ain't the demonic evil force that some people seem to suggest he is with the way they bash him. Fact is, he's knuckled down, if he hadn't Pulis wouldn't have played him He deserves credit and encouragement for this and shouldn't have his character assassinated just because he fancies playing somewhere else.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 29, 2016, 03:05:17 PM
so we are warned that Mark Hughes has other options, snorrrrrr
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 29, 2016, 03:52:10 PM
Pay the £25m or jog on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on July 29, 2016, 04:51:13 PM
from what we hear decent reasonable offers have been made....sell him, move on, freshen the place up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on July 29, 2016, 05:09:49 PM
from what we hear decent reasonable offers have been made....sell him, move on, freshen the place up.

It seems like we've moved the goalposts again now with the 'we need a replacement first' line.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 29, 2016, 05:37:17 PM
I'd sell him now irrespective. Clearly he sees his future away from here and we run the risk of losing him for nothing in the summer. Not just that but Even if he goes in the summer and we're entitled to compensation it won't be until 2 years from now and won't be the amount we've been offered this summer.

If we don't sell him now he's going to be twice as difficult to replace whether it's now or next summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on July 29, 2016, 05:43:32 PM
I'd sell him now irrespective. Clearly he sees his future away from here and we run the risk of losing him for nothing in the summer. Not just that but Even if he goes in the summer and we're entitled to compensation it won't be until 2 years from now and won't be the amount we've been offered this summer.

If we don't sell him now he's going to be twice as difficult to replace whether it's now or next summer.

And news now that he is willing to stay and go abroad next year, so we get nothing. I always felt this was in his mind as payback for not getting his Spurs wish. He may well turn down Stoke even if we accepted their good offer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on July 29, 2016, 05:48:03 PM
It seems like we've moved the goalposts again now with the 'we need a replacement first' line.

I don't see how that's moving the goal posts in all fairness that is common practice that most clubs would ideally like to go by when selling one of their better players. You'll have to remind me if there was a point where the club were willing to just sell and not get a replacement in?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on July 29, 2016, 05:55:09 PM
I don't see how that's moving the goal posts in all fairness that is common practice that most clubs would ideally like to go by when selling one of their better players. You'll have to remind me if there was a point where the club were willing to just sell and not get a replacement in?

But in the past it was all about matching our valuation. That now appears to have been done but now the issue is finding a replacement first.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on July 29, 2016, 06:05:01 PM
There's news coming out now that he wants to see out his contract
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kirk on July 29, 2016, 06:05:08 PM
Some people take longer than others though, and the offences he has committed have hardly been that bad if you look at things from an objective point of view. Don't get me wrong, I think he has acted like an ass on several occasions deservedly got stick from our support for it, but too many people are holding and "over the top grudge" against the kid. If we get £25mil, I'm happy for him to go and I will wish him well. If not then, I'm happy for him to stay as he is a good striker who we will find hard to replace. I can't base that on some stupid tweet he made, or because he had a hit of laughing gas. I'd be a hypocrite as I've had laughing gas at the dentists and it didn't do me any harm. The drink driving was stupid for sure, but I'm sure there are people on here who have done the same thing and regretted it. We're only human and we will make mistakes as we grow. Throw in a 15k/week paycheck and that accelerates all of the dumb stuff you could potentially achieve because you can afford the fast cars, expensive champagne. I know lots of people who were a lot worse morally than Saido in their teens and early 20's who are now respectable family men/women. This is because they grew up at some point. That's the only problem with Saido, he's an immature lad that acts before he thinks. He certainly ain't the demonic evil force that some people seem to suggest he is with the way they bash him. Fact is, he's knuckled down, if he hadn't Pulis wouldn't have played him He deserves credit and encouragement for this and shouldn't have his character assassinated just because he fancies playing somewhere else.

Why would Dan Ashworth sack him after the Brentford episode ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 29, 2016, 06:08:11 PM
There's news coming out now that he wants to see out his contract

One website has it, with "sources close to the player". So it's either totally made up, or it's his agent trying to scare the club. I'd be extremely impressed by Saido if he has the balls to stick it to us by going abroad for a year, just to do us over?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on July 29, 2016, 06:09:32 PM
One website has it, with "sources close to the player". So it's either totally made up, or it's his agent trying to scare the club. I'd be extremely impressed by Saido if he has the balls to stick it to us by going abroad for a year, just to do us over?

Yeah it's not really on any credible sites. Lets face it, it's been ongoing and why would Bera and his agent not start playing hardball.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 29, 2016, 06:26:51 PM
For us to turn down £20m suggests that we are not confident that we can get an adequate replacement. Something seriously wrong if so. It would be funny if he did move abroad for nothing next year.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 29, 2016, 06:29:36 PM
Why would Dan Ashworth sack him after the Brentford episode ?

To teach him a lesson I would suspect since he gave him his "job" back.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kirk on July 29, 2016, 06:40:04 PM
To teach him a lesson I would suspect since he gave him his "job" back.

Only after his then agent begged, asked for a favour ....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on July 29, 2016, 06:43:14 PM
For us to turn down £20m suggests that we are not confident that we can get an adequate replacement. Something seriously wrong if so. It would be funny if he did move abroad for nothing next year.

 
Baggie79 said the other day that the club want 25 and wont accept a penny less think it has more to do with that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on July 29, 2016, 06:45:25 PM
All the reports saying he wants to stay one more year then leave next summer. Doesn't  the club have one year option on him next summer?so he has two years left doesnt he?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 29, 2016, 06:47:46 PM
Only after his then agent begged, asked for a favour ....

Said who? I'm sure there was more than willingness to retain a prospect they invested in. It's irrelevant anyway, getting the sack as a teenager? Shock horror  :o :o Yeah, he's a cocky little sh**, but what's that got to do with our supporters. People take things to personally.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 29, 2016, 06:48:42 PM
All the reports saying he wants to stay one more year then leave next summer. Doesn't  the club have one year option on him next summer?so he has two years left doesnt he?

No. No optional year on his contract. If he did, we would be asking for over 30 mil.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on July 29, 2016, 06:53:09 PM
It has been reported today that Berahino plans to see out the last year of his contract. I can't see that. He still on 'peanuts' compared with what he could earn either by moving or signing a new contract. If he stays and has a bad season we will still be able to 'claim' around £8m for him. He would miss out on a big pay packet for the whole of the season and there may not be the interest from other clubs as there appears to be now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 29, 2016, 07:01:33 PM
There are two things we have always said about Saido. Firstly he will only leave if a club meets our valuation. I'm not certain what our valuation is, it is only the press that have constantly used £20m. Secondly we want to line up a replacement before we do the deal.

Neither of the above conditions is unreasonable and underpinning both of them is a willingness to take our chances with a tribunal if it comes to it.

The report that Saido is prepared to see out his contract and leave on a free is perfectly credible. Neither Palace nor Stoke are probably his dream move and although lucrative he might do better as a free agent albeit with a good season here under his belt.

Ultimately Saido more than most English footballers has the option to move abroad his current salary doesn't price him out of a move and I believe he is a French speaker.

Personally I think we need to ship him out one way or the other and that is what will happen but it is not totally impossible he will see his contract out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on July 29, 2016, 07:33:47 PM
It has been reported today that Berahino plans to see out the last year of his contract. I can't see that. He still on 'peanuts' compared with what he could earn either by moving or signing a new contract. If he stays and has a bad season we will still be able to 'claim' around £8m for him. He would miss out on a big pay packet for the whole of the season and there may not be the interest from other clubs as there appears to be now.
Not if he moves abroad. Then we get zilch
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 29, 2016, 07:47:28 PM

Baggie79 said the other day that the club want 25 and wont accept a penny less think it has more to do with that.

I could understand if he had a longer contract but that just smacks of JP playing hardball. £20m now or potentially nothing next summer. I know what I'd do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 29, 2016, 07:49:00 PM
It has been reported today that Berahino plans to see out the last year of his contract. I can't see that. He still on 'peanuts' compared with what he could earn either by moving or signing a new contract. If he stays and has a bad season we will still be able to 'claim' around £8m for him. He would miss out on a big pay packet for the whole of the season and there may not be the interest from other clubs as there appears to be now.

If he goes abroad for nothing then chances are he'll get a huge signing on fee. Worth taking the risk for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 29, 2016, 08:04:45 PM
It has been reported today that Berahino plans to see out the last year of his contract. I can't see that. He still on 'peanuts' compared with what he could earn either by moving or signing a new contract. If he stays and has a bad season we will still be able to 'claim' around £8m for him. He would miss out on a big pay packet for the whole of the season and there may not be the interest from other clubs as there appears to be now.

Rubbish. He could sign for Club A (based outside England) in June and get a £4m signing on fee, more than making up for lost earnings in the 12 months from now until then. In January that club could then sell to Club B (Based in England) for £10m. Club A are £6m to the good and Berainho is £4m up and able to negotiate a 2nd signing on fee with Club B. Black and white.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on July 29, 2016, 08:48:19 PM
If he leaves we'll bank £25million for an acadamy product, which is incredible.

If he stays and sees out his contract we have an excellent striker on the books for a further year who could form a potent partnership with Rondon, we'd then probably then receive between £10M-£15M via a tribunal.  Rondon and Berahino up front, has any club outside the top 10 got a partnership as good as that?

Either way we are winners, so I'm not fussed either way.  From the bits and pieces I have gleamed Berahino seems to have cleared his head, there was a suggestion a few weeks ago that if there was no transfer in place by the end of July then he'd prefer to see the season out with us.  We'll see.  Personally I think Palace or Stoke will eventually bid what we want for him and he'll leave but if they don't then I'm more than happy with him staying. 

I don't think Berahino is a money hungry mercenary, I just believe he is a highly ambitious individual.  A move to Stoke or Palace might not suit where he wants to get to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on July 29, 2016, 09:05:12 PM
This is a game of who blinks first between Berahino and Peace. It's anyone's guess what the outcome will be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 29, 2016, 09:11:00 PM
He'll be off this summer , I'm certain of that . be great to see the back of him and the negative press he seems to attract . There are loads of strikers out there , next please
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on July 29, 2016, 09:13:57 PM
If he leaves we'll bank £25million for an acadamy product, which is incredible.

If he stays and sees out his contract we have an excellent striker on the books for a further year who could form a potent partnership with Rondon, we'd then probably then receive between £10M-£15M via a tribunal.  Rondon and Berahino up front, has any club outside the top 10 got a partnership as good as that?

Either way we are winners, so I'm not fussed either way.  From the bits and pieces I have gleamed Berahino seems to have cleared his head, there was a suggestion a few weeks ago that if there was no transfer in place by the end of July then he'd prefer to see the season out with us.  We'll see.  Personally I think Palace or Stoke will eventually bid what we want for him and he'll leave but if they don't then I'm more than happy with him staying. 

I don't think Berahino is a money hungry mercenary, I just believe he is a highly ambitious individual.  A move to Stoke or Palace might not suit where he wants to get to.
I don't think saido and rondon can form a potent partnership, in truth I think saido was lucky to get in the team based on the last 10 games of last season. was there a game where the partnership shone?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 29, 2016, 09:25:23 PM
I can see a situation where he ends up signing a new contract. His beef is with Peace, if Peace leaves and the new owners fancy throwing around a bit of cash, they could offer him a very attractive contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on July 29, 2016, 10:47:55 PM
The only trouble is,he can't play with Rondon can he.
So sell him to the highest paying premier league team,i say.
He's trouble,get rid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on July 30, 2016, 01:00:19 AM
He'll be off this summer , I'm certain of that . be great to see the back of him and the negative press he seems to attract . There are loads of strikers out there , next please

everyone has been certain that he would be off last transfer window... but he's still here

and yes there are loads of strikers out there, but with our track record of late they either dont want to sign for us or they cant wetting score if they do sign for us!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B714LF on July 30, 2016, 01:04:02 AM
I don't understand how anybody can be happy with him staying. The sooner he goes the sooner we can move forward. Keeping him makes no sense!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 30, 2016, 01:36:01 AM
Rondon and Berahino up front, has any club outside the top 10 got a partnership as good as that?

Watford - Deeney/Ighalho . Everton - Lukaku/Barkley. Swansea - Ayew/Siggurdsson.

There's strong arguments for those three.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MBWBA on July 30, 2016, 09:25:26 AM
I really can't see him moving abroad if his contract runs out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 30, 2016, 10:36:29 AM
Watford - Deeney/Ighalho . Everton - Lukaku/Barkley. Swansea - Ayew/Siggurdsson.

There's strong arguments for those three.

Are the arguments that 3 of them are midfielders?  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 30, 2016, 11:05:30 AM
Lets assume we stick with a 4 4 1 1 formation, where will Saido play? Morrison is nailed on to play behind Rondon. Basically we have turned down £20m for someone who is likely to spend more time on our bench.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 30, 2016, 11:09:35 AM
Lets assume we stick with a 4 4 1 1 formation, where will Saido play? Morrison is nailed on to play behind Rondon. Basically we have turned down £20m for someone who is likely to spend more time on our bench.

If he's still here I think we'll go:

                   Rondon

Berahino       Morrison        Phillips

         Fletcher         Yacob

                    Back 4

Not ideal, but he's played from the left in the past.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 30, 2016, 11:13:51 AM
If he's still here I think we'll go:

                   Rondon

Berahino       Morrison        Phillips

         Fletcher         Yacob

                    Back 4

Not ideal, but he's played from the left in the past.

I think you may be right but he will be totally wasted and ineffective out there for me. I'd rather us have the £20m to spend on someone that fits our plans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on July 30, 2016, 11:13:59 AM
If he's still here I think we'll go:

                   Rondon

Berahino       Morrison        Phillips

         Fletcher         Yacob

                    Back 4

Not ideal, but he's played from the left in the past.

I agree and was thinking similar to this earlier today. One of our better performances last season was Palace at home. It looked like a 442 with Gardner on the left, Sessegnon on the right with Berahino behind Rondon up top. However both Sessegnon and Berahino pressed high and it played like a 433 where Gardner tucked in with Yacob and Fletcher. Replace Gardner with Morrison and bring Phillips in for Sessgnon and it could play similarly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 30, 2016, 11:32:24 AM
If he's still here I think we'll go:

                   Rondon

Berahino       Morrison        Phillips

         Fletcher         Yacob

                    Back 4

Not ideal, but he's played from the left in the past.
Berahino doesn't like playing out wide in what's a midfield more than attacking position in a Pulis set-up. He gets (even more) sulky.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mig on July 30, 2016, 11:38:06 AM
I really think we should sell now rather than let him go next summer for considerably less. I will be sad to see him go as he is one of my favourite players and I feel a lot of pride seeing one of our academy products become so successful, but think it is best for all parties now that he leaves to reignite his career elsewhere.

Saido when playing regularly and in form is one of our best players so yes, as others have said, keeping him for another year could pay off big time. But Pulis clearly isn't a big fan so in my mind it's more likely that we will see Saido used in much the same way as last season.

If that is to happen, then surely we are much much better off taking the £20m+ now?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on July 30, 2016, 12:38:17 PM
I wouldn't say Pulis isn't a fan of Saido but there's no doubt that one of the first names down on the Pulis team sheet is Rondon at No. 9, so unless we play outright 4-4-2 Saido would have to fit into one the wider roles.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on July 30, 2016, 01:18:29 PM
I wouldn't say Pulis isn't a fan of Saido but there's no doubt that one of the first names down on the Pulis team sheet is Rondon at No. 9, so unless we play outright 4-4-2 Saido would have to fit into one the wider roles.

With the central midfielders have, I don't believe a straight 442 is viable.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on July 30, 2016, 01:33:55 PM
I wouldn't say Pulis isn't a fan of Saido but there's no doubt that one of the first names down on the Pulis team sheet is Rondon at No. 9, so unless we play outright 4-4-2 Saido would have to fit into one the wider roles.
To make a real go of his career I think Saido will have to settle for playing as a wide forward. Although he can do an ok job up top on his own I doubt you would be able to rely on him playing up there for a whole season. Lots of clubs only play with one up to that leaves dropping into midfield or playing wide.

I think it's where Pulis wanted to use him at the start of last season and he could have made a good go of it if his head was on straight. You can get plenty of goals running in off the line making diagonal runs in behind or coming in to support a central striker. He just needs to accept its a position he might need to become accustomed to and really get his head down to work at it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 30, 2016, 01:51:53 PM
To make a real go of his career I think Saido will have to settle for playing as a wide forward. Although he can do an ok job up top on his own I doubt you would be able to rely on him playing up there for a whole season. Lots of clubs only play with one up to that leaves dropping into midfield or playing wide.

I think it's where Pulis wanted to use him at the start of last season and he could have made a good go of it if his head was on straight. You can get plenty of goals running in off the line making diagonal runs in behind or coming in to support a central striker. He just needs to accept its a position he might need to become accustomed to and really get his head down to work at it.

Saido is a far better player when played up top. He reminds me a lit of Defoe. Pace, mivement and a good finisher. Why we moved him to accomodate Rondon i've no idea.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on July 30, 2016, 02:45:46 PM
If Saido was a bit better in the air (not talking Pulis tactics here) then he could make a good go of it up top on his own. Fact is Rondon is far better in the air and is more of a physical handful than Saido is.
Let Saido play at his best and it could be a close call but lets face it he didn't help himself last year....and it wasn't just down to losing out to Rondon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 30, 2016, 03:17:45 PM
I've never seen Saido as the lone frontman or with the potential to be. He's always looked better either as a number nine with someone else to feed him (him and Sess as no.10 dropping off looked good for a while) or Saido as a number 10 dropping off and feeding another. He and Rondon never really clicked for me.

1) So he's not great at playing up top on his own.
2) He hasn't gelled with Rondon
3) we simply haven't got he players (so far) to play 442 to accommodate Saido.
4) he's not a player who is effective also as a winger , part of a front three

Overall if he stayed, aside from the non-footballing reasons / perceptions, in football terms, he'd be a square peg in a round hole. This is , above all the main reason he'll be off , he just doesn't fit effectively into our line up . I'm not so sure he would at Stoke either tbh but that's their issue if / when they eventually sign him? He might be better off football-wise at Palace considering they have pure wingers and could play a big man up with him.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on July 30, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
I don't understand how anybody can be happy with him staying. The sooner he goes the sooner we can move forward. Keeping him makes no sense!
Could not agree more! bang on
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on July 30, 2016, 10:25:43 PM
I am wondering if anyone else is changing their views on Berahino?

I have faced he does not want to be at the club any longer and I think he was a real prat in the way he hit to twitter and dropped his bundle last season.

However... There has to be a time where a person is able to change employers and Berahino must be getting very frustrated as well, it is still after all his life he is living. I know contracts are there for both sides, but it is rare to see a situation dragging out this long.

He seemed to face the fact he would not get to leave last year, he seems to be handling things better that he might not get to leave this season and if the rumors are true of him potentially heading overseas and leaving us with nothing at the end of this contract, well for my way of thinking... I won't hold that against this.

Look he has at times been extremely immature, no doubt at all.
He has at times said things completely disrespectful and inappropriate.. .

However he is still a young lad, he could be earning a lot more elsewhere, he could be playing for a team more suited to strikers and he already had a club as high up as a Tottenham offering coming for him, so he will be thinking he could be playing for a club that plays in Europe also (potentially).

IF the club says to him this transfer period... Screw you, we are keeping you to the end, then I for one will be upset at the club, not Berahino if he chooses to say "screw you" and leaves overseas and with us completely empty handed.

Take the 20m, or set a realistic amount... 22, 23? Whatever the amount is... and let both parties move on with life. Stop being belligerent for the sake of it and let us as a club use the funds and others to secure our squad for this season.

Also... I don't think our handling of this case bodes well for any player looking to come into the club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 30, 2016, 10:33:58 PM
I am wondering if anyone else is changing their views on Berahino?

I have faced he does not want to be at the club any longer and I think he was a real prat in the way he hit to twitter and dropped his bundle last season.

However... There has to be a time where a person is able to change employers and Berahino must be getting very frustrated as well, it is still after all his life he is living. I know contracts are there for both sides, but it is rare to see a situation dragging out this long.

He seemed to face the fact he would not get to leave last year, he seems to be handling things better that he might not get to leave this season and if the rumors are true of him potentially heading overseas and leaving us with nothing at the end of this contract, well for my way of thinking... I won't hold that against this.

Look he has at times been extremely immature, no doubt at all.
He has at times said things completely disrespectful and inappropriate.. .

However he is still a young lad, he could be earning a lot more elsewhere, he could be playing for a team more suited to strikers and he already had a club as high up as a Tottenham offering coming for him, so he will be thinking he could be playing for a club that plays in Europe also (potentially).

IF the club says to him this transfer period... Screw you, we are keeping you to the end, then I for one will be upset at the club, not Berahino if he chooses to say "screw you" and leaves overseas and with us completely empty handed.

Take the 20m, or set a realistic amount... 22, 23? Whatever the amount is... and let both parties move on with life. Stop being belligerent for the sake of it and let us as a club use the funds and others to secure our squad for this season.

Also... I don't think our handling of this case bodes well for any player looking to come into the club


1. He could be earning a lot more with us if he would agree to sign a new contract.  His choice.

2. Maybe he just doesn't fancy moving to either Stoke or Palace, as he doesn't see them as a step up




Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on July 30, 2016, 10:39:36 PM

1. He could be earning a lot more with us if he would agree to sign a new contract.  His choice.

2. Maybe he just doesn't fancy moving to either Stoke or Palace, as he doesn't see them as a step up

1. Yes he could, but whether that matches what he would earn elsewhere seems unlikely, we are not one of the higher paying teams in the Prem. I don't know what the other clubs are offering, but I would think it is more and by now... the goose is already cooked. Also yes it is his choice to sit out his contract, but then we are in no position to moan when he chooses to leave to Europe and leaves us empty handed.

2) Maybe... Thought I think most people would consider those clubs as playing a brand of football more suited to an attacking player. Obviously his thoughts on those two clubs are left to us to imagine at the moment, but I would be surprised if Stoke has not received some sign of encouragement from Berahino's camp to be still making bids.

Regardless
It doesn't change my mind that I am now switching to the camp that I don't blame him anymore. He made mistakes, but I tihink the club are now being pretty pathetic in their handling of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 30, 2016, 10:41:13 PM
For those who went today...
How did he play?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on July 30, 2016, 11:07:39 PM
1. Yes he could, but whether that matches what he would earn elsewhere seems unlikely, we are not one of the higher paying teams in the Prem. I don't know what the other clubs are offering, but I would think it is more and by now... the goose is already cooked. Also yes it is his choice to sit out his contract, but then we are in no position to moan when he chooses to leave to Europe and leaves us empty handed.

2) Maybe... Thought I think most people would consider those clubs as playing a brand of football more suited to an attacking player. Obviously his thoughts on those two clubs are left to us to imagine at the moment, but I would be surprised if Stoke has not received some sign of encouragement from Berahino's camp to be still making bids.

Regardless
It doesn't change my mind that I am now switching to the camp that I don't blame him anymore. He made mistakes, but I tihink the club are now being pretty pathetic in their handling of him.



I have no doubt that he could be earning about 4 times what he currently earns, and become our top earning player, if he has signed a new contract (even one with a buyout clause).

I believe it's pretty clear that the club will not sell him until we have signed a replacement.  That is currently a logjam as we can't yet sign Sakho.  Even if we do sign Sakho, it depends on us selling Berahino.  We can only sell him to a club which he is prepared to sign for. 

We need to sell him now, but if he doesn't want to go to the clubs who want him, then neither he nor the club are in a position that we would like to be in.







Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on July 30, 2016, 11:10:54 PM
I believe price been set for little toe rag gone as soon as replacement comes in ,you can hold club to ransom, loan to Brentford kicked out bad attitude, did something on training pitch hit by morro and then decided to tweet like when Stoke placed bid for him get the bad influence out our great club sooner the better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on July 30, 2016, 11:43:47 PM
For those who went today...
How did he play?

He ran around a bit and tried but the way we played wouldn't have been complimentary to the world's best strikers let alone Berahino. Like i say, he tried but we were just too deep.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on July 30, 2016, 11:49:21 PM
He ran around a bit and tried but the way we played wouldn't have been complimentary to the world's best strikers let alone Berahino. Like i say, he tried but we were just too deep.
and there in lies the problem that wont change until the dinosaur has gone,i hope the new owners can see this
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on July 30, 2016, 11:54:02 PM
and there in lies the problem that wont change until the dinosaur has gone,i hope the new owners can see this

We don't play to his strengths. Another playing out of position. Put him on the last man and playing in behind and we'd see more end product.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 31, 2016, 12:17:16 AM
Everton want £75 million for Lukaku, so £30 million is fair for Saido imo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on July 31, 2016, 12:24:52 AM
Like it or like it not he is our best striker
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Throstletown on July 31, 2016, 07:40:26 AM
We dont need strikers the way we play, and Im in the lads corner now let him go and enjoy football again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on July 31, 2016, 10:07:16 AM
Like it or like it not he is our best striker
On the evidence of the last 12 months no he is not our best striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on July 31, 2016, 10:14:41 AM
On the evidence of the last 12 months no he is not our best striker.

Played in the right position he would outscore Rondon every time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on July 31, 2016, 10:26:50 AM
I don't understand how anybody can be happy with him staying. The sooner he goes the sooner we can move forward. Keeping him makes no sense!


I think it's because
no 1,  on his day (though we haven't seen many of them of late) he is one of the best young english strikers in the premier league
no 2, how much would that calibre of player cost to replace (ask spurs to sell us Harry Kane for £20 million & see what they say)
no 3 , would Albion really spend £20+ million on one player to replace him (take into account his wages to)
no 4,  if yes would that player really want to ply his trade for us ? ??? :(

I think he will go but will feel like we've missed a trick in doing so.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on July 31, 2016, 11:08:57 AM
Played in the right position he would outscore Rondon every time.
Very debatable...not enough evidence to sway either way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B714LF on July 31, 2016, 12:03:44 PM
In the premier league he's no Harry Kane. Far from it. Been here way to long. Glad to see the back of him. He's so highly thought of he will end up at Stoke or palace!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 31, 2016, 12:36:40 PM
In the premier league he's no Harry Kane. Far from it. Been here way to long. Glad to see the back of him. He's so highly thought of he will end up at Stoke or palace!

Who said he isn't. He outscored Kane in the U21's. You aren't really factoring in the service Kane gets at Spurs compared to what Saido gets here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 31, 2016, 12:41:04 PM
So far in his career he's miles away from Harry Kane in performance, achievements and attitude . Why is Harry Kane playing champions league and international football whilst Saido might join Stoke if he's lucky. The football world can't be fooled by someone who thinks he's good (most of the time) . He has potential to be good but he also also has potential to drop down the leagues too if his head isn't right longer term so his career is in the balance now whereas Harry Kane is already the finished article and would get into most if not all top six teams.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on July 31, 2016, 03:47:07 PM
I'm not convinced by Berahino tbf, take away his penalties and he's had 7 or 8 good games in 3 seasons. If he was as good as he though he was we'd have a hybrid of Messi and Ronaldo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 31, 2016, 05:26:37 PM
Who said he isn't. He outscored Kane in the U21's. You aren't really factoring in the service Kane gets at Spurs compared to what Saido gets here.

Francis Jeffers has the best goalscoring record for the U21's.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 31, 2016, 05:48:56 PM
An ITK poster elsewhere has said this afternoon that Berahino is going to sign for Stoke. Fingers crossed that we'll soon be able to see an ending to this drawn out and undesirable episode.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on July 31, 2016, 05:50:50 PM
An ITK poster elsewhere has said this afternoon that Berahino is going to sign for Stoke. Fingers crossed that we'll soon be able to see an ending to this drawn out and undesirable episode.

Maybe there has been some significant movement between us and Stoke that has meant we can now push on with Sakho.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on July 31, 2016, 06:15:35 PM
I think it's a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. I would imagine the lad would have felt he was being cheated out of a decent contract by the pitiful wages he was getting, pitiful when compared to other 10+ goals a season strikers.
The catalyst would have come when he played for England U 21's and asked the likes of Harry Kane if  Daniel Levy trusted him with a lot of money. :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on July 31, 2016, 06:36:01 PM
Maybe there has been some significant movement between us and Stoke that has meant we can now push on with Sakho.

Or vice versa - we've got closer to Sakho so it frees Saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 31, 2016, 07:52:00 PM
Latest from John Percy

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/31/saido-berahino-set-to-leave-west-brom-after-diafra-sakho-agrees/

West Bromwich Albion are ready to offload Saido Berahino after agreeing a £15million deal with West Ham for Diafra Sakho.

Berahino will be cleared to complete a move away from the Hawthorns as Tony Pulis closes in on a club record deal for Sakho, the Senegal international.

Stoke and Crystal Palace have both made offers worth around £20million for Berahino and his unhappy 12 months is coming to an end, with a move likely this week.

Sakho is expected to officially sign for West Brom in the next 48 hours and the deal will beat the club's previous record of £12million for Salomon Rondon.

West Brom have also stepped up their interest in Leicester defender Jeffrey Schlupp and tabled an improved offer of £10million.

Leicester rejected an opening bid earlier this month but Pulis has returned with another proposal after identifying Schlupp as the man to solve his problematic left-back position.


Doesn't say where he's going but the Sakho deal was always the key to his leaving.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on July 31, 2016, 07:58:30 PM
Think Palace will be back in - Keith Millen was stating yesterday how short of options they are up front especially given a couple of injuries they've got.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 31, 2016, 08:04:28 PM
Saido may dig his heels in, if it is the Stoke offer.
He would want to go "darn sarf" to Crystal Palace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on July 31, 2016, 08:47:46 PM
So far in his career he's miles away from Harry Kane in performance, achievements and attitude . Why is Harry Kane playing champions league and international football whilst Saido might join Stoke if he's lucky. The football world can't be fooled by someone who thinks he's good (most of the time) . He has potential to be good but he also also has potential to drop down the leagues too if his head isn't right longer term so his career is in the balance now whereas Harry Kane is already the finished article and would get into most if not all top six teams.

Now he is but before spurs fu-ked his head up no i would have sad Sadio was a better allround forward than him.
P/s And still has the ability to do it again the question is will he not can he.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 31, 2016, 09:01:42 PM
But he has a long history of being a problem child at Albion and loan clubs - he had issues at Brentford and Petrrborough I recall?

Roy wasn't fond of his big time Charlie attitude apparently , he was done drink driving , inhaling gas on video , gave some stupid interviews , produced some stupid tweets. All this was whilst he was a hot and cold player on the pitch. He always had a flurry of goals including penalties and then long barren spells .

Whilst this has been going on , Harry Kane was working hard, settled, getting better, regularly scoring and developing his all round game year after year.

Maybe I've got a blind spot,  but I think some fans are really over-rating Saido so much it's untrue . He's shown flashes of great , cool finishing very seldomly and usually against lesser opposition (Gateshead in the cup) but his all round game for me is naive , weak and he can't make things happen like top players do. He has some pretty touches without making kings happen in important areas.

Good luck to him but I think we might get a good deal at 20m plus for him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on July 31, 2016, 09:10:07 PM
darbolina it's all about opinions ;)
Both young lads let's see how much both are worth in 4/5 years ha
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on July 31, 2016, 10:52:56 PM
Now he is but before spurs fu-ked his head up no i would have sad Sadio was a better allround forward than him.
P/s And still has the ability to do it again the question is will he not can he.

completely agree with you

swap them around, put kane in our team and saido in spurs.... watch how good he looks then

the service kane gets compared to saido is 100x better, been saying this for ages!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on July 31, 2016, 10:59:53 PM
Very debatable...not enough evidence to sway either way.

as much as i really like rondon... work out his goals to game ratio compared to rondons (for us), takes away the debate tbh.. only one clear winner
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on July 31, 2016, 11:25:24 PM
darbolina it's all about opinions ;)
Both young lads let's see how much both are worth in 4/5 years ha

Absolutely , what do i know being a fan! Time will tell with Saido , like I said he's certainly got potential but there are other strikers like Kane who are the finished article already . Otherwise why didn't Spurs or a big club want him if he really is that good ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: NathWBA on July 31, 2016, 11:26:36 PM

as much as i really like rondon... work out his goals to game ratio compared to rondons (for us), takes away the debate tbh.. only one clear winner
if we are going premier league goals rondon has 9 in 34 games, Saido has 23 in 100 games, making rondon's ratio 1 in 3.77 games and saido's 1 in 4.34 games
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on July 31, 2016, 11:27:41 PM
Played in the right position he would outscore Rondon every time.
rubbish,he cant head a ball for a start
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 31, 2016, 11:29:19 PM
He scored from penalties a lot of times.
Recently though he missed two.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 31, 2016, 11:34:55 PM
rubbish,he cant head a ball for a start

Christ, too true. If he had 50p for every time he's had the chance to win a game with a simple header, he'd use said 50p to head the ball out for a throw-in. In our half.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on August 01, 2016, 12:16:50 AM
Personally, i think it is for the best that he goes now. 20 + million would pay for the academy for the next 5-6 years and would be our first big home grown sale in the modern era.

He isn't worth what is being offered and he is a petulant kid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 01, 2016, 12:58:01 AM
if we are going premier league goals rondon has 9 in 34 games, Saido has 23 in 100 games, making rondon's ratio 1 in 3.77 games and saido's 1 in 4.34 games

not just premier league goals, regardless if its premier league or cup... saido has a better goal scoring record than rondon (for us)

saido has 113 apps 36 goals which is a goal every 3.13 games
rondon has 40 apps 10 goals which is a goal every 4 games

which im sure saido would have improved that last season having not been so unsettled and distracted

not trying to put rondon down or anything cause as a player and person i do like the guy, but if its goals were after (as it stands) saido is our better option


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 01, 2016, 01:01:25 AM
Christ, too true. If he had 50p for every time he's had the chance to win a game with a simple header, he'd use said 50p to head the ball out for a throw-in. In our half.

That's the best quote on here in my ten or so years. Well done
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on August 01, 2016, 05:11:24 AM
rubbish,he cant head a ball for a start

And yet heading is one of the only attributes that Rondon is better than Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 01, 2016, 07:10:16 AM
In the Rondon v Berahino argument, we bought Rondon for £12M last season and are on the verge of selling Berahino, despite his troubled history, for almost double that. Speaks volumes?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2016, 07:36:41 AM
In the Rondon v Berahino argument, we bought Rondon for £12M last season and are on the verge of selling Berahino, despite his troubled history, for almost double that. Speaks volumes?

Not really, English player premium, massively inflated fees after tv deal, etc, etc. Goal scoring records are a more pertinent indicator and if we take away penalties and 8 goals against Gateshead and Yeovil then there isn't much in it at all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: NathWBA on August 01, 2016, 07:39:54 AM
In the Rondon v Berahino argument, we bought Rondon for £12M last season and are on the verge of selling Berahino, despite his troubled history, for almost double that. Speaks volumes?
and the fact that zenit had to sell due to new rules around foreign players in Russia.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 01, 2016, 09:24:55 AM
And the fact the English market is hyper inflated as always ! Sterling and John Stones 50m!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 01, 2016, 10:09:39 AM
Not really, English player premium, massively inflated fees after tv deal, etc, etc. Goal scoring records are a more pertinent indicator and if we take away penalties and 8 goals against Gateshead and Yeovil then there isn't much in it at all.

yes 8 goals against gateshead and yeovil, but still 8 more than any of our other players could score

i know it was lower opposition, but none of our other players scored that many against those teams so regardless of how good/poor people may think saido is, he's still our best goalscorer ATM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 01, 2016, 10:11:09 AM
rubbish,he cant head a ball for a start

Thierry Henry couldn't head a ball. He didn't do too badly for goals.  :D

Rondon struggles to control a ball and will only score goals from chances laid on a plate in and around the 6 yard box. Saido has the ability to create out of nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on August 01, 2016, 10:22:07 AM
Thierry Henry couldn't head a ball. He didn't do too badly for goals.  :D

Rondon struggles to control a ball and will only score goals from chances laid on a plate in and around the 6 yard box. Saido has the ability to create out of nothing.

doesn't matter how good he is or isn't
He doesn't want to be here and it shows
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 01, 2016, 10:25:12 AM
Theres also a lot more to a good striker than just scoring goals.

For example Rondon is far better at holding the ball up and creating openings for other players than Saido is imo
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 01, 2016, 01:10:54 PM
If the ITK post elsewhere about him being Stoke-bound is true, he may not feature for us tonight, although that might depend on how far advanced things are with Sakho. If he plays tonight, it would suggest to me that a deal with Stoke isn't yet agreed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 01, 2016, 02:38:40 PM
Theres also a lot more to a good striker than just scoring goals.

For example Rondon is far better at holding the ball up and creating openings for other players than Saido is imo

You reckon? Vic was pretty good at that, but the best player we've ever had for that was MAF
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 01, 2016, 02:47:19 PM
You reckon? Vic was pretty good at that, but the best player we've ever had for that was MAF

Agree. To be honest my point was more Saido being awful at it, than Rondon being amazing at it. MAF was really underrated for us, again purely due to his lack of goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 01, 2016, 02:47:23 PM
Theres also a lot more to a good striker than just scoring goals.

For example Rondon is far better at holding the ball up and creating openings for other players than Saido is imo

Completely disagree, his ball retention was shocking last year. On par with Lambert when he played. It's hard to create chances when you can't find team mates.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 01, 2016, 02:49:54 PM
Completely disagree, his ball retention was shocking last year. On par with Lambert when he played. It's hard to create chances when you can't find team mates.

Most of the time Rondon picked up the ball last season the nearest team mate was about 30/40 yards away
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 01, 2016, 04:04:40 PM
Most of the time Rondon picked up the ball last season the nearest team mate was about 30/40 yards away

Which makes Saido arguably a better option up top alone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 01, 2016, 04:21:00 PM
Which makes Saido arguably a better option up top alone.

As he can't hold the ball up, I would say not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 01, 2016, 04:40:19 PM
As he can't hold the ball up, I would say not.

Put Ibrahimovic up front and his support 40 yards away and he'd struggle to hold it up. Personally I think Jordie has been exaggerating but Rondon isn't this beacon of hold up play. My point was more at that.

Adapting to opposition is key. Against a slow defence who would you sooner see? Or a defence who play a high line?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 01, 2016, 04:42:17 PM
Put Ibrahimovic up front and his support 40 yards away and he'd struggle to hold it up. Personally I think Jordie has been exaggerating but Rondon isn't this beacon of hold up play. My point was more at that.

Adapting to opposition is key. Against a slow defence who would you sooner see? Or a defence who play a high line?

As a lone striker, regardless of who we are playing, I would rather see Rondon.

Berahino is a superb finisher...but the rest of his game is seriously lacking. Rondon would have more joy in the role of a lone striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 01, 2016, 04:58:13 PM
As a lone striker, regardless of who we are playing, I would rather see Rondon.

Berahino is a superb finisher...but the rest of his game is seriously lacking. Rondon would have more joy in the role of a lone striker.

Playing both gives us options. Rondon to me is the old fashioned centre forward, does really well facing the goal & can score with his head, but relies on service from wide play.

Last season, Berahino was anything but a superb finisher, he missed chance after chance he should have put away. He realised he had been stupid, & his confidence was totally shot. Somewhere in there though is a very good footballer, he has the skils, & the vision & the composure to do a very good job as a number 10, hopefully he'll do that for us between now & Christmas, what happens after that, who knows?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 02, 2016, 07:16:33 AM
Got a feeling all these 'rumours' about Saido going are just because we're apparently close to getting sakho. Just an easy story for the papers with no real evidence it seems
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 02, 2016, 10:18:34 AM
Got a feeling all these 'rumours' about Saido going are just because we're apparently close to getting sakho. Just an easy story for the papers with no real evidence it seems

Imagine a front three of:

Sakho Rondon Saido

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 02, 2016, 10:25:15 AM
Imagine a front three of:

Sakho Rondon Saido

Imagine TP putting them out together, nah, thats a leap too far!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 02, 2016, 10:33:00 AM
Imagine a front three of:

Sakho Rondon Saido

Nope , can't imagine it.

No chance we'd get three up top
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 02, 2016, 10:53:30 AM
and whos going to supply them, Olsson :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on August 02, 2016, 01:53:09 PM
I'm sure I've seen this morning that Southampton have thrown their hat into the ring for saido.
Great news,a three way bidding war,25 mill anyone,dare I say 30mill?
I must calm down all this sudden positive news is no good for my blood pressure.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 02, 2016, 01:55:53 PM
stoke seem to think Sakho has an attitude, they aint seen nothing yet. I hope he doesnt go to them, i would love it absolutely love it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on August 02, 2016, 03:14:04 PM
Breaking news on Skys Sports website - Berahino's future to be decided in next 24 hours.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on August 02, 2016, 03:18:15 PM
Who said,where did the sky report come from?
He won't be sold until sakho is signed and there is apparently a three way battle for him,saints stoke palace then they all have to chat with jezza.
I feel 25 million minimum hurtling towards our bank account,dont you guys?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on August 02, 2016, 03:26:04 PM
Who said,where did the sky report come from?
He won't be sold until sakho is signed and there is apparently a three way battle for him,saints stoke palace then they all have to chat with jezza.
I feel 25 million minimum hurtling towards our bank account,dont you guys?

The infamous Sky Sources...

More than likely they have seen we are close to signing Sakho (if reports are to be believed) and have put 2 and 2 together!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 02, 2016, 04:05:27 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if we end up with £20mill + Diouf from Stoke.

Any takers on that basis?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on August 02, 2016, 04:07:13 PM
Breaking news on Skys Sports website - Berahino's future to be decided in next 24 hours.
after talks with new owners?????
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 02, 2016, 04:11:40 PM
Breaking news on Skys Sports website - Berahino's future to be decided in next 24 hours.
I've put a link below to their website article on the same topic, which doesn't contain anything to explain the "....decided in next 24 hours...." thing, apart from speculation on their part that us signing Sakho will mean that Berahino will then leave.

Link: Sky Sports (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10519913/west-brom-to-make-saido-berahino-decision-in-24-hours-8211-sky-sources)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on August 02, 2016, 04:13:45 PM
I've put a link below to their website article on the same topic, which doesn't contain anything to explain the "....decided in next 24 hours...." thing, apart from speculation on their part that us signing Sakho will mean that Berahino will then leave.

Link: Sky Sports (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10519913/west-brom-to-make-saido-berahino-decision-in-24-hours-8211-sky-sources)

Thats what I've said above, it's typical Sky rubbish!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: danwatson on August 02, 2016, 04:26:38 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if we end up with £20mill + Diouf from Stoke.

Any takers on that basis?

100% take that deal. Would be good competition for Rondon and would provide us with that 3rd Striker we need meaning we can concentrate on other areas.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on August 02, 2016, 08:28:41 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if we end up with £20mill + Diouf from Stoke.

Any takers on that basis?
I would be very surprised if that deal appeared on the table.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: CL3MO on August 02, 2016, 08:38:26 PM
I would be very surprised if that deal appeared on the table.

Yeah, no chance of that offer. Stoke would value Diouf in this market at least £12 mill.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on August 02, 2016, 09:12:37 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if we end up with £20mill + Diouf from Stoke.

Any takers on that basis?
.  Snatch their hands off , I'll drive him there myself (as the saying goes) Sako, Diouf, Schulpp, and the kid from Leeds that would do me,might need a centre back if Evans does go but Hey Ho !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on August 02, 2016, 09:18:06 PM
.  Snatch their hands off , I'll drive him there myself (as the saying goes) Sako, Diouf, Schulpp, and the kid from Leeds that would do me,might need a centre back if Evans does go but Hey Ho !
somebody will have to he´s still banned  :D :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on August 02, 2016, 11:21:52 PM
The Sun is reporting that Stoke's Mark Hughes is refusing to budge on his £16m valuation of Berahino, but is willing to throw in Peter Crouch as part of the deal. Big deal, Mark. Get lost!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on August 02, 2016, 11:32:51 PM
The Sun is reporting that Stoke's Mark Hughes is refusing to budge on his £16m valuation of Berahino, but is willing to throw in Peter Crouch as part of the deal. Big deal, Mark. Get lost!

£16M + Diouf and we're talking
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 02, 2016, 11:33:29 PM
The Sun is reporting that Stoke's Mark Hughes is refusing to budge on his £16m valuation of Berahino, but is willing to throw in Peter Crouch as part of the deal. Big deal, Mark. Get lost!

Think you will find it wasn't just crouch it's one of Joselu, Crouch or Diouf
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darby009 on August 02, 2016, 11:36:18 PM
Think you will find it wasn't just crouch it's one of Joselu, Crouch or Diouf

Diouf and £16m and you have a deal
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 02, 2016, 11:50:36 PM
Diouf and £16m and you have a deal

I would be over the moon if that we're to happen
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on August 02, 2016, 11:51:29 PM
I like Diouf but Diouf, Rondon and Sahko are all similar. I would prefer someone to link the midfield and attack since we sit so deep.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on August 03, 2016, 09:36:45 AM
Regarding his transfer,he doesn't seem very ambitious does he?
He lives in Cannock so he wouldn't have to move house as stoke is only half hour away,you would think that he would want a better standard than stoke or palace or is he actually a home boy who just wants the money.
Anyway get rid he has problems that are disruptive to our club,sign sakho sell saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on August 03, 2016, 09:51:50 AM
I know it sounds strange but i wouldnt say no to crouch. he would suit our style of play and be a useful lad to bring on for 20 mins at the end when we are searching for a goal (as we inevitably will be)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on August 03, 2016, 09:58:06 AM
Regarding his transfer,he doesn't seem very ambitious does he?
He lives in Cannock so he wouldn't have to move house as stoke is only half hour away,you would think that he would want a better standard than stoke or palace or is he actually a home boy who just wants the money.
Anyway get rid he has problems that are disruptive to our club,sign sakho sell saido.

I don't get that either. If he's getting a huge signing fee and say £70k a week he can afford to move anywhere. It's not like he has kids who are settled in a school like Fletcher and Evans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 03, 2016, 10:02:24 AM
What would the deals be likely to be?

I would take a guess at about

16million + Diouf.
20/21 million + Crouch.
Probably around 16million + Joselu. (he was signed for 5.75million so would imagine they would want that back, taking that deal to around 22milion.

Would we accept any of those?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 03, 2016, 10:12:42 AM
What would the deals be likely to be?

I would take a guess at about

16million + Diouf.
20/21 million + Crouch.
Probably around 16million + Joselu. (he was signed for 5.75million so would imagine they would want that back, taking that deal to around 22milion.

Would we accept any of those?

Definitely not Crouch. Good in his day but not any more. We don't need a bench warmer and we are not a retirement home. Nice bloke though......his missus would certainly brighten the place up.

Would consider Diouf. If we do get Sahko then we would probably have the Senegalese strike force playing for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AshD on August 03, 2016, 10:14:17 AM
I know it sounds strange but i wouldnt say no to crouch. he would suit our style of play and be a useful lad to bring on for 20 mins at the end when we are searching for a goal (as we inevitably will be)

Doesnt sound strange to me - as third choice striker, I think he would be decent as a stop gap!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 03, 2016, 10:34:49 AM
Doesnt sound strange to me - as third choice striker, I think he would be decent as a stop gap!

My main concern if we were to take Crouch is that it leaves us in exactly the same position next season needed two strikers (to replace Crouch and Lambert).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bry on August 03, 2016, 10:47:45 AM
No thanks for Crouch. £25m for Berahino then get Jordan Ayew from Villa. Choices between Rondon, Sakho and Ayew would be very exciting. Surely we have the money if we sell Saido?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 03, 2016, 10:51:55 AM
My main concern if we were to take Crouch is that it leaves us in exactly the same position next season needed two strikers (to replace Crouch and Lambert).

If Crouch were to sign then Lambert would definitely move on. I know he's getting on but I agree with Doobuy, he would give us a different option and can still hold the ball up far better than Rondon can. I was hoping we'd be in for Ulloa who I think is very similar to Crouch. Can't see it though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 03, 2016, 10:58:42 AM
No thanks for Crouch. £25m for Berahino then get Jordan Ayew from Villa. Choices between Rondon, Sakho and Ayew would be very exciting. Surely we have the money if we sell Saido?

Good plan for Ayew - enjoyed watching him at the Hawthorns, the only player in their team who was a real threat for me.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bry on August 03, 2016, 10:59:39 AM
Maybe Lambert could be the marquee signing the Wolves fans were talking about on WM last night.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on August 03, 2016, 11:28:29 AM
I'd rather we went for a more dynamic striker so IF it is true that we can have one of those three i'd prefer to go for Joselu.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bry on August 03, 2016, 11:31:31 AM
I'd rather we went for a more dynamic striker so IF it is true that we can have one of those three i'd prefer to go for Joselu.
Ayew not dynamic? He is a far better player than Joselu in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on August 03, 2016, 11:45:41 AM
Ayew not dynamic? He is a far better player than Joselu in my opinion.

I meant if we are offered one of Crouch, Joselu or Diouf. Ayew would be great but i was talking about that package deal from Stoke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bry on August 03, 2016, 11:48:54 AM
I meant if we are offered one of Crouch, Joselu or Diouf. Ayew would be great but i was talking about that package deal from Stoke.

I get you now. But I wouldn't take any of them. Cash only from stoke. The only forward I might consider from them in exchange would be Walters, but even then I would rather the cash and go for someone else like Ayew.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 65baggie on August 03, 2016, 03:14:54 PM
Totally agree with taking the cash and bringing in someone who can actually make a positive impact
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 03, 2016, 04:26:58 PM
I don't get that either. If he's getting a huge signing fee and say £70k a week he can afford to move anywhere. It's not like he has kids who are settled in a school like Fletcher and Evans.
Have you ever been to Stoke? ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stever60 on August 03, 2016, 04:28:52 PM
Regarding his transfer,he doesn't seem very ambitious does he?
He lives in Cannock so he wouldn't have to move house as stoke is only half hour away,you would think that he would want a better standard than stoke or palace or is he actually a home boy who just wants the money.
Anyway get rid he has problems that are disruptive to our club,sign sakho sell saido.
Have you seen his house? Very nice!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 03, 2016, 05:08:35 PM
Regarding his transfer,he doesn't seem very ambitious does he?
He lives in Cannock so he wouldn't have to move house as stoke is only half hour away,you would think that he would want a better standard than stoke or palace or is he actually a home boy who just wants the money.
Anyway get rid he has problems that are disruptive to our club,sign sakho sell saido.

Stoke are an ambitious club with some very good players. I hate to say it but moving from us to them would be a step up for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 03, 2016, 05:13:38 PM
Stoke are an ambitious club with some very good players. I hate to say it but moving from us to them would be a step up for him.


a smidgen if that,A few quid more maybe,same fan base with no history. hope he freezes his nuts up there
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on August 03, 2016, 05:27:15 PM
Thierry Henry couldn't head a ball. He didn't do too badly for goals.  :D

Rondon struggles to control a ball and will only score goals from chances laid on a plate in and around the 6 yard box. Saido has the ability to create out of nothing.
how you can bring henry into the saido failings is a tad laughable,conversley though if henry was plying his trade in a pulis team he would have struggled just as much  ;D,peace  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: section5 on August 03, 2016, 05:37:53 PM

a smidgen if that,A few quid more maybe,same fan base with no history. hope he freezes his nuts up there

In stature similiar but on the pitch there miles ahead
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Topman on August 03, 2016, 05:44:44 PM
I thought there was some sort of announcement about him today? Sky saying his future would be sorted in next 24 hours
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on August 03, 2016, 05:50:25 PM
Stoke are an ambitious club with some very good players. I hate to say it but moving from us to them would be a step up for him.

I don't think it's a massive leap though, nor would Palace be for him.
I think for 3 years under Hodgson and Clarke we finished above them, obviously since then they have got 9th a few times under Hughes.
But although it's a definite improvement on us at the moment, it's all a bit small-time. Going from a club who will finish 13th/14th to 9th isn't much difference. The original point was that it was Spurs, who were pushing for the Champions League at the time, which is a huge difference.

I think regardless, he needs to go now just because his position has became so toxic and stale at the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on August 03, 2016, 05:51:44 PM
I thought there was some sort of announcement about him today? Sky saying his future would be sorted in next 24 hours
Any decision is reportedly dependant on us bringing someone in, which judging by the correct confusion with the Sakho deal may be delayed a little.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 03, 2016, 06:04:30 PM
In stature similiar but on the pitch there miles ahead

8 points isn't miles, despite the fact we 'downed tools' in mid-March.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 03, 2016, 06:18:46 PM
I thought there was some sort of announcement about him today? Sky saying his future would be sorted in next 24 hours

Sky know as much as we do which is nothing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 03, 2016, 06:24:15 PM
Have you ever been to Stoke? ???

Good chance of it judging by his user name  :)  ;) .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on August 03, 2016, 08:16:48 PM
Haha :) I meant was he could use his new pay rise to move him and his mum over to Cheshire. Same distance from the training ground and stadium but in a much nicer area.

Same if he wanted to move to London.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 03, 2016, 10:16:57 PM
Good chance of it judging by his user name  :)  ;) .
I'd had a hard day. And was having a pint and not paying attention. And I didn't mean Stoke...I meant Hanley. And Burslem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 03, 2016, 11:17:55 PM
I'd had a hard day. And was having a pint and not paying attention. And I didn't mean Stoke...I meant Hanley. And Burslem.

Er, o.k  ;) .
Must have been a hot day on the Costas.
Hope the beers went down well, mine are  8) .
COYB.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on August 04, 2016, 06:45:35 PM
Tottenham agree deal to sign West Brom striker Saido Berahino
http://netlivemedia.com/tottenham-ag...aido-berahino/  Just found this doubt its true no other information.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: orville on August 04, 2016, 07:25:55 PM
Tottenham agree deal to sign West Brom striker Saido Berahino
http://netlivemedia.com/tottenham-ag...aido-berahino/  Just found this doubt its true no other information.


That story came out just after the last transfer window closed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on August 04, 2016, 07:40:32 PM
Thanks orville thought I`d seen it before
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 04, 2016, 09:52:27 PM
If we sell, we get a bit of cash.
If we don't, what has he cost us?
Zilch...He came up through the academy.
If it goes to tribunal, we still get a few quid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on August 04, 2016, 09:59:21 PM
So the coaching staff didn't put any time and effort in to bring them through the academy that costs a lot of money over the 10 or so years he`s here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 04, 2016, 11:01:08 PM
So the coaching staff didn't put any time and effort in to bring them through the academy that costs a lot of money over the 10 or so years he`s here.
I accept what you are saying, but we didn't go out into the market place and buy him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on August 05, 2016, 09:16:32 AM
He said once that he'd never play for Jeremy Peace again. I wonder if his thinking has changed at all now that he won't have to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MBWBA on August 05, 2016, 09:19:51 AM
He said once that he'd never play for Jeremy Peace again. I wonder if his thinking has changed at all now that he won't have to.

That crossed my mind too. I personally find it hard to judge what he thinks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RuncornBaggie on August 05, 2016, 09:34:15 AM
I would like him to stay, get a new contract and be happy, play football and score goals. 

Trouble is, he won't be. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on August 05, 2016, 10:48:13 AM
still get rid . sooner gone the better not be long before gets on twitter moaning about something else .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 05, 2016, 10:54:54 AM
I still think he'll be off . Apparently he would've been if Sakho had passed his medical / shown he was committed to Albion?

As a club, we need to begin a new era positively with players who are really up for playing for us, I just don't see that with Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 05, 2016, 10:57:47 AM
Pulis will not utilise him correctly and therefore he should still be sold. We need to move very quickly on the transfer front as the squad we have currently will see us in a relegation battle.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2016, 11:02:44 AM
Pulis will not utilise him correctly and therefore he should still be sold. We need to move very quickly on the transfer front as the squad we have currently will see us in a relegation battle.

No it won't, we'll be bottom 8 as usual with no more additions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 05, 2016, 11:06:18 AM
No it won't, we'll be bottom 8 as usual with no more additions.

What makes you so sure? We couldn't buy a win at the end of last season and had many games without a shot on goal. If we strengthen the squad then I agree with you but as things stand we look awful.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2016, 11:16:58 AM
What makes you so sure? We couldn't buy a win at the end of last season and had many games without a shot on goal. If we strengthen the squad then I agree with you but as things stand we look awful.

What makes you so sure, except for 10 dead rubbers and a preseason friendly defeat?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on August 05, 2016, 12:01:19 PM
What makes you so sure? We couldn't buy a win at the end of last season and had many games without a shot on goal. If we strengthen the squad then I agree with you but as things stand we look awful.

I agree with you. I hate all this emphasis on just doing enough to avoid relegation. Its painful down the albion these days. I still reckon Berahino would fill his boots in a good attacking team supplying the ammo. A silly boy, but real quality as a footballer. Wasted under Pulis IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 05, 2016, 12:03:02 PM
What makes you so sure, except for 10 dead rubbers and a preseason friendly defeat?

There were a few more than 10 dead rubbers. We shall wait and see but I think teams now have us well and truly sussed. I suppose the signing of a Championship winger and the return of Morrison will turn us into a better side?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
There were a few more than 10 dead rubbers. We shall wait and see but I think teams now have us well and truly sussed. I suppose the signing of a Championship winger and the return of Morrison will turn us into a better side?

Of course, they're better players than those they've replaced.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on August 05, 2016, 06:47:43 PM
Just wished the kid would sit down , have a moment and realise what the club have done for him and his family..hopefully the new chairmans knowledge of the game could point him in the right direction . Then if he signed a new contract and pledged his  future to the club .i would welcome him back into the fold with open arms . After all he could save us millions
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 05, 2016, 08:55:49 PM
He said once that he'd never play for Jeremy Peace again. I wonder if his thinking has changed at all now that he won't have to.

He's desperate to leave I wouldn't expect him to change his tune now just because Peace isn't the owner anymore.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on August 05, 2016, 10:12:55 PM
There's been endless newspaper talk and fan gossip about him but what tune has he actually been heard whistling lately? Perhaps I'm just going deaf though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie-Dave on August 05, 2016, 11:17:49 PM
He's desperate to leave I wouldn't expect him to change his tune now just because Peace isn't the owner anymore.

You may well be right but it was Peace he said he didn't want to play for.  Maybe the new owner will make him decide to stay, particularly if the only clubs interested are Palace and Stoke. Wonder how long the players have known this takeover was a done deal? Saido certainly seems to be all smiles, and committed to WBA in most of the recent pictures I've seen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 05, 2016, 11:33:44 PM
I hope the little rat is sold regardless. Never bite the hand that feeds you, and to publically do that is unforgivable.

I never want him in an Albion shirt again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 05, 2016, 11:55:17 PM
Bit of a coincidence how since we have heard the rumours of a takeover, Saido has updated his twitter basically full of West Bromwich albion, constant pics on insta about pre season etc etc....

Was the players aware of it all happening? Maybe he's happy to play for West Brom now whilst peace is not owner anymore.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 06, 2016, 09:35:37 AM
Bit of a coincidence how since we have heard the rumours of a takeover, Saido has updated his twitter basically full of West Bromwich albion, constant pics on insta about pre season etc etc....

Was the players aware of it all happening? Maybe he's happy to play for West Brom now whilst peace is not owner anymore.

I think you are right, and I think that's why the plug was pulled on Sakho, using the medical as the get-out.  No way we'd be signing Sakho if Saido has decided to sign a new contract now that JP has gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 06, 2016, 09:36:49 AM
I genuinely think people are kidding themselves if they believe he will sign a new deal just because Peace isn't the owner anymore.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 06, 2016, 09:41:30 AM
If he does sign it would show that he has some principles.
If he doesn't, you can draw your own conclusions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on August 06, 2016, 01:48:01 PM
I genuinely think people are kidding themselves if they believe he will sign a new deal just because Peace isn't the owner anymore.

Nobody is kidding anybody we all know is the money that does the talking so if TP & JW think its worth another try to keep him i'm sure they will enhance the contract that he just turned down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 06, 2016, 02:05:07 PM
Nobody is kidding anybody we all know is the money that does the talking so if TP & JW think its worth another try to keep him i'm sure they will enhance the contract that he just turned down.

He wants to play for a bigger club with a bit more ambition. I don't think money is the driver or he'd have signed a new deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2016, 02:08:38 PM
He wants to play for a bigger club with a bit more ambition. I don't think money is the driver or he'd have signed a new deal.


lol stoke
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 06, 2016, 02:11:08 PM

lol stoke

Still a step up even if only a small one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 06, 2016, 05:18:23 PM
I think he has it in his head he wants to move now. I really think he should for him and us, unless a new manager comes in . He didn't work with Rondon under Pulis last year cause he was often pushed out wide and there's often a huge gap between our deep, defensive midfield and our forwards. It's more of a job for a big strong forward to hold up the ball and/ or turn and run at people . Berahino is an old school box player who needs service he won't get with us. He'd get more service at Stoke so would probably score a few.

I still think he'll have one or two meltdowns throughout his career to prevent him being able to play beyond a mid table team like Stoke? I also think he's not quite as good as some Albion fans and he (!) thinks he is as an all round player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2016, 05:50:18 PM
Still a step up even if only a small one.


Cant see it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on August 06, 2016, 08:39:29 PM
He wants to play for a bigger club with a bit more ambition. I don't think money is the driver or he'd have signed a new deal.

Well we all know that that isn't going to happen after all he's going on's since Spurs got into his head. If he had gone to the under 21 finals i'm pretty sure that he would now hold the record has u21 goal scorer beating Alan Shearer's.
He needs to stop letting people fill his head full of sh-t.
If he goes or stays with his head in the right place he will be a fantastic acquisition for that team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kendover on August 06, 2016, 10:11:22 PM
Head and shoulders above anyone else unfortunately
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: palmaroy on August 06, 2016, 10:18:03 PM
I always run him down but he looked in a different class to everybody else
He looks a lot sharper to me
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kendover on August 06, 2016, 11:11:58 PM
Wondering if it was just a Peace problem or a Pulis problem too. Negative defensive football must grate on strikers
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 07, 2016, 12:39:07 AM
I genuinely think people are kidding themselves if they believe he will sign a new deal just because Peace isn't the owner anymore.

I did say a while back our fans are deluded when it comes toSaido. How can anyone still want him at the club after all that had happened? The only reason he would now 'want' to stay is because the only offers he has are Stoke and Palace, nothing to do with the takeover and lack oh JP. Please wake up and smell the coffee people.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 07, 2016, 06:49:56 AM
Wondering if it was just a Peace problem or a Pulis problem too. Negative defensive football must grate on strikers

How about considering it was a Saido problem?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on August 07, 2016, 08:29:46 AM
How about considering it was a Saido problem?

100% it was a Saido problem/fault
But i'm 100% sure that has we stand today squad wise we are better off with him in it than without i wouldn't sell him until we had his replacement signed up, if we sell him that is.

The kid has a big mouth & a big head & needs to let his feet do his talking but we need a 10-15 goal scorer this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 07, 2016, 08:39:07 AM
I've been a big critic of him footballing wise at times but he did look sharp and head and shoulders above any other attacker in terms of having the potential to score or make something happen last night.

I can't work out how much of that was that the others were/ are awful or if he is much better than them? Maybe a bit of both?

If we don't replace him properly , we're in trouble as set pieces are our only realistic route to goal by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on August 07, 2016, 10:22:58 AM
Anyone noticed sky betting odds SPURS are 2nd fav at 2/1 to sign Berahino stoke still fav as something happened.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 07, 2016, 10:42:44 AM
Anyone noticed sky betting odds SPURS are 2nd fav at 2/1 to sign Berahino stoke still fav as something happened.

Might have something to do with them thinking Spurs may renew their interest now that Peace is not our chairman.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 08, 2016, 11:52:50 PM
Seems that he's been snap chatting from the fast lane of the M6 according to the Sun on Twitter. If true I despair.

http://thesun.uk/6015BFB5W
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 09, 2016, 12:12:14 AM
Seems that he's been snap chatting from the fast lane of the M6 according to the Sun on Twitter. If true I despair.

http://thesun.uk/6015BFB5W

Hopefully this time next week it's Stoke's problem and we ignore him altogether
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 09, 2016, 07:30:30 AM
Seems that he's been snap chatting from the fast lane of the M6 according to the Sun on Twitter. If true I despair.

http://thesun.uk/6015BFB5W

The guy is a reckless idiot

Please sell him and I hope he is arrested for his latest silly little spoilt boy mistake and given another ban this time a lengthy one

How stupid can you get???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on August 09, 2016, 07:33:15 AM
The guy is lawless.  I can see him doing time. Hopefully after Stoke give us £20mil for this idiot.

Yet another incident in a long line of them. F*** him off ASAP.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 09, 2016, 07:39:36 AM
I can see him doing time aswell in future

The thing is I can see him doing time for causing an accident and killing someone, let's just hope we have our 20m and that he is someone else's issue by then

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on August 09, 2016, 07:39:50 AM
It's not right and in his position, he should know better, but you get tens of snapchats a day of peope doing the same thing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 09, 2016, 07:43:08 AM
It's not right and in his position, he should know better, but you get tens of snapchats a day of peope doing the same thing.

And all of them are reckless idiots for doing it

Most people will get away with it because they are not in the public eye but this is where you question his intellect and realise just how ridiculously stupid he is as doesn't seem to have learnt from previous mistakes how to act

My fear is that this will put off any buying clubs and we will be stuck with him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on August 09, 2016, 08:16:17 AM
It's not right and in his position, he should know better, but you get tens of snapchats a day of peope doing the same thing.
yes, and I drive up and down the M5 weekly and every time I see one of those ***holes insulated in their giant 4x4s drifting across 2 lanes while fiddling with their phones.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 09, 2016, 08:25:43 AM
https://www.roadhawk.co.uk/ (https://www.roadhawk.co.uk/)

What if he was using one of these? just saying
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on August 09, 2016, 08:30:08 AM
The sooner he`s gone the better for the club, because he carries more baggage than a 747.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 09, 2016, 08:58:44 AM
https://www.roadhawk.co.uk/ (https://www.roadhawk.co.uk/)

What if he was using one of these? just saying

Could of been, could also be BS. Anyone who believes the sun obviously has less brains and common sense than Saido. 

Plus anything can be photoshopped... and who has their full name as their snapchat nickname?! LOL

Some people will believe anything these days
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on August 09, 2016, 09:03:48 AM
https://www.roadhawk.co.uk/ (https://www.roadhawk.co.uk/)

What if he was using one of these? just saying

Now now, let's not let this get in the way of a good Saido bashing...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on August 09, 2016, 09:05:54 AM
Don`t care what he was using trouble follows him around the sooner he`s gone the better and as for BERA bashing he brings it on himself get rid NOW
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 09, 2016, 09:20:48 AM
Don`t care what he was using trouble follows him around the sooner he`s gone the better and as for BERA bashing he brings it on himself get rid NOW


Yeah I agree, sooner he's gone the better... being a club that can't score against non league teams, getting rid of one of our best goal scorers is always the solution.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on August 09, 2016, 09:21:14 AM
Don`t care what he was using trouble follows him around the sooner he`s gone the better and as for BERA bashing he brings it on himself get rid NOW

What so even if he hasn't done anything wrong and some scummy newspaper has written a story about it still going to beat him with a stick?

Sound that is  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DaveWBA on August 09, 2016, 09:24:10 AM
What so even if he hasn't done anything wrong and some scummy newspaper has written a story about it still going to beat him with a stick?

Sound that is  :o

Whilst many can acknowledge he may or may not have acted like a twonk in this instance, we can all agree that this does not change his overall standing as club twonk - and we need him gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 09, 2016, 09:25:18 AM
Now now, let's not let this get in the way of a good Saido bashing...

He's on his phone using snapchat!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2016, 09:27:38 AM
forcing for a move again
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2016, 09:36:19 AM
I can see him doing time aswell in future

The thing is I can see him doing time for causing an accident and killing someone, let's just hope we have our 20m and that he is someone else's issue by then



My mate has said exactly the same the other week that he can see him in prison at some point. Amazing how he hasn't learnt from previous mistakes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on August 09, 2016, 09:38:18 AM
I would rather play with no attackers than play him. ive been around this club a long time and only Hughes has bought more controversy send him to STOKE PALACE OR CREWE Just get rid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 09, 2016, 09:41:23 AM
If anyone truly believes that he was being sensible using a road hawk and not using snapchat then I admire your trust in this idiot...

Lets not all get down to his level of intellect history tells us what this foolish boy (yes boy not man) does and how completely lawless he is regards driving whilst drunk and speeding etc....

Trouble follows him, but its of his own making if newspapers are now printing stories that are not factually correct about him...thats what happens when you act like a complete and utter d!ck in your past when you are a public figure

I have no sympathy for him at all even if he hasn't done anything wrong here but lets be honest we all know he isn't innocent its not in his make up to be a normal bloke he has to do something controversial
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2016, 09:43:24 AM
I would rather he just grew up, you can't use the excuse that he's a kid anymore. He's driven a car right after inhaling laughing gas, been banned for drink driving and now this. He's said to be an intelligent young man but I'm yet to see any evidence of this, we all make mistakes but not many make similar ones time after time and he knows he's in the public eye making it even worse for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kendover on August 09, 2016, 09:58:24 AM
Seems to me he wants all the trappings and wealth of being a professional footballer but not the responsibility and professionalism that comes with it. Wants cake and eat it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 09, 2016, 10:04:39 AM
the people moaning about him don't know him personally, only as a footballer

why don't we all grow up and look at him as a footballer instead of judging his personal life? who gives a damn what he's been doing in his car or on snapchat and twitter... how does it effect any of you? there's terrorists and pedophiles in this world and many of you are using your valuable time to run down a YOUNG ADULT. WOW, shame half couldn't put that much effort into the stadium on matchdays!

There's only ONE fact here, we need someone who can score goals... he can score goals.

Getting really boring now a bunch of our 'fans' who are probably grown 'men', like a broken record.

yes, you would do this and do that, you dont want him you would rather his this guy or that guy... BUT YOU AINT GOT A P***ING SAY IN IT! so get used to it and change the god damn record will you its embarrassing.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 09, 2016, 10:07:00 AM
the people moaning about him don't know him personally, only as a footballer

why don't we all grow up and look at him as a footballer instead of judging his personal life? who gives a damn what he's been doing in his car or on snapchat and twitter... how does it effect any of you? there's terrorists and pedophiles in this world and many of you are using your valuable time to run down a teenager WOW, shame half couldn't put that much effort into the stadium on matchdays!

There's only ONE fact here, we need someone who can score goals... he can score goals.

Getting really boring now a bunch of our 'fans' who are probably grown 'men', like a broken record ffs.

yes, you would do this and do that, you dont want him you would rather his this guy or that guy... BUT YOU AINT GOT A wetting SAY IN IT! so get used to it and change the god damn record will ya its embarrassing.

This cant be a serious post  :o

I suppose when he crashes his car into someone kills them or a child it won't matter either as it doesnt affect you??

I feel embarrassed for you reading that...you know the guy is 23 right not a teenager?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 09, 2016, 10:08:45 AM
the people moaning about him don't know him personally, only as a footballer

why don't we all grow up and look at him as a footballer instead of judging his personal life? who gives a damn what he's been doing in his car or on snapchat and twitter... how does it effect any of you? there's terrorists and pedophiles in this world and many of you are using your valuable time to run down a teenager WOW, shame half couldn't put that much effort into the stadium on matchdays!

There's only ONE fact here, we need someone who can score goals... he can score goals.

Getting really boring now a bunch of our 'fans' who are probably grown 'men', like a broken record ffs.

yes, you would do this and do that, you dont want him you would rather his this guy or that guy... BUT YOU AINT GOT A wetting SAY IN IT! so get used to it and change the god damn record will ya its embarrassing.
Like, before it gets deleted  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kendover on August 09, 2016, 10:09:43 AM
And there lies the problem. Naivety at its best. The bloke is a prick, great talent, but a prick. Don't want my son using that idiot as a role model
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 09, 2016, 10:12:00 AM
This cant be a serious post  :o

I suppose when he crashes his car into someone kills them or a child it won't matter either as it doesnt affect you??

I feel embarrassed for you reading that...you know the guy is 23 right not a teenager?

But he's not crashed his car or killed anyone so why are you crying over something that will probably never happen?
Whats saying anyone on here cant get in the car later and kill someone?

Come one, lets not be very small minded now, i feel embarrassed for you if your biggest worry and problem with the squad is saido berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on August 09, 2016, 10:12:12 AM
the people moaning about him don't know him personally, only as a footballer

why don't we all grow up and look at him as a footballer instead of judging his personal life? who gives a damn what he's been doing in his car or on snapchat and twitter... how does it effect any of you? there's terrorists and pedophiles in this world and many of you are using your valuable time to run down a teenager WOW, shame half couldn't put that much effort into the stadium on matchdays!

There's only ONE fact here, we need someone who can score goals... he can score goals.

Getting really boring now a bunch of our 'fans' who are probably grown 'men', like a broken record ffs.

yes, you would do this and do that, you dont want him you would rather his this guy or that guy... BUT YOU AINT GOT A wetting SAY IN IT! so get used to it and change the god damn 4record will ya its embarrassing.
haha as long as hes kills himself then and nobody else on the road then yeah he can do what he wants as far as football and his goals then we can discuss that if and when he can be arsed to play..hopefully not for us though
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 09, 2016, 10:17:02 AM
But he's not crashed his car or killed anyone so why are you crying over something that will probably never happen?
Whats saying anyone on here cant get in the car later and kill someone?

Come one, lets not be very small minded now, i feel embarrassed for you if your biggest worry and problem with the squad is saido berahino

Yes but not everyone gets into a car and texts whilst driving, or drinks whilst driving and speeding

I bet Luke McCormick never thought he would kill a family either whilst doing the same thing

Thanks for feeling embarrassed for me for wanting this guy out of our club and for dragging us through the mire yet again

This topic is about Saido Berahino not the rest of the squad, which is what we are discussing. I suggest you realise what a forum is about before embarrassing yourself further.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DaveWBA on August 09, 2016, 10:19:28 AM
But he's not crashed his car or killed anyone so why are you crying over something that will probably never happen?
Whats saying anyone on here cant get in the car later and kill someone?

Come one, lets not be very small minded now, i feel embarrassed for you if your biggest worry and problem with the squad is saido berahino

It isn't the biggest problem but it is one that has been allowed to fester and needs sorting sooner rather than later, for the sake of both parties. As I've said we don't know whether he's done wrong in this instance but the topic of whether he is a bell end or not isn't really up for debate as he has proved himself culpable on many occasions in the past.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 09, 2016, 10:19:58 AM
If you look at the video the shot is from behind his shoulder, difficult to see how he could have shot that with a mobile, Everybody's using these "go cameras" these days. They're recommended to record accidents, a lot of transport companies are using them to record drivers. From what I can see Saido's pretty tech savvy, & he wouldn't need to use a mobile. It must have been a no news day for the mirror.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 09, 2016, 10:22:25 AM
wonder why my HONEST post was deleted?  :-[

because im not following trend and licking moderators backside's, my posts are not allowed? lol

SCARY to think there are real problems going on in the world yet a bunch of grown men use their time crying over saido?

Cut the abuse, many posts have been MOVED NOT DELETED to the Saido thread on the main board and not left in this one in the TRANSFER forum.

You want to start getting abusive then pm me or one of the others and we can reply directly to you.

You don't like the way the forum is run you have two choices, like it or leave it. Upto you.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 09, 2016, 10:25:25 AM
If you look at the video the shot is from behind his shoulder, difficult to see how he could have shot that with a mobile, Everybody's using these "go cameras" these days. They're recommended to record accidents, a lot of transport companies are using them to record drivers. From what I can see Saido's pretty tech savvy, & he wouldn't need to use a mobile. It must have been a no news day for the mirror.

It not from behind his shoulder at all, he is holding it with is left hand, that much is obvious

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 09, 2016, 10:27:44 AM
If you look at the video the shot is from behind his shoulder, difficult to see how he could have shot that with a mobile, Everybody's using these "go cameras" these days. They're recommended to record accidents, a lot of transport companies are using them to record drivers. From what I can see Saido's pretty tech savvy, & he wouldn't need to use a mobile. It must have been a no news day for the mirror.

You can't get snapchat on a 'go camera' that is there for recording accidents.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 09, 2016, 10:32:32 AM
You can't get snapchat on a 'go camera' that is there for recording accidents.

no you can't but there are many simple photo/video editing programs that can make any video look like snapchat, only takes 2 mins of editing for a beginner... never mind what someone with editing experience can do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on August 09, 2016, 10:36:52 AM
I wish some people would stop making excuses for him every time he does something wrong he`s a grown man and shouldn't be doing or saying the stupid things he does want him gone yesterday`s to soon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 09, 2016, 10:41:22 AM
no you can't but there are many simple photo/video editing programs that can make any video look like snapchat, only takes 2 mins of editing for a beginner... never mind what someone with editing experience can do.

The pictures online are not a static camera at all and from the position its obvious they are taken from a mobile.

But you keep defending this sorry excuse for a professional footballer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 09, 2016, 10:46:30 AM
The pictures online are not a static camera at all and from the position its obvious they are taken from a mobile.

But you keep defending this sorry excuse for a professional footballer

not defending him, just saying ANYTHING can be edited in this day and age. Could be any guy on snapchat with saidos name stuck in the corner for all you know, not saying it is but anythings possible.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 09, 2016, 10:48:46 AM
anything is possible

History tells me not to be surprised with anything associated with Saido.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: slate on August 09, 2016, 10:56:48 AM
not defending him, just saying ANYTHING can be edited in this day and age. Could be any guy on snapchat with saidos name stuck in the corner for all you know, not saying it is but anythings possible.

There has been problem after problem with Berahino and all of his own making. Whether you agree with it or not, the position in life that he finds himself in makes him a role model for young lads growing up. Kids idolise footballers.

Taking laughing gas, drink driving, texting whilst driving etc is not setting an example. Why can't he just behave himself and quit being a complete tool time and time again?

You've also got the reputation of our club to consider and the impact on getting shot of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on August 09, 2016, 10:57:42 AM
Why do we always get the controversial ones  :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 09, 2016, 11:06:16 AM


There has been problem after problem with Berahino and all of his own making. Whether you agree with it or not, the position in life that he finds himself in makes him a role model for young lads growing up. Kids idolise footballers.

Taking laughing gas, drink driving, texting whilst driving etc is not setting an example. Why can't he just behave himself and quit being a complete tool time and time again?

You've also got the reputation of our club to consider and the impact on getting shot of him.


if anyones kid on here is a berahino fan.... selling him to another club wont change that for the starters

your saying you or anyone in your family have never done anything wrong? what you going to do, get rid of them out your family? (some people have done worse than saido, some havn't - its the way life goes)

Personally, i don't agree with some of the stuff he has done but all this negativity from so called fans is getting very boring now and grown men are looking and sounding very pathetic towards a young lad.

Speaking of reputations..  I work in a big company full of fans of different clubs, nearly all of them agree with each other that 'we' (baggie fans) are a joke for many different reasons, so yeah if its 'reputation' your concerned about... we are surely doing a great job.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on August 09, 2016, 11:15:26 AM
there is only interest in anything he does from the papers as he as been in the papers before and is also a likely bigger news story brewing. if it was 90% of the players in the league, the papers would not be interested. i am not making excuses, but they are selling an agenda.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 09, 2016, 11:16:48 AM
there is only interest in anything he does from the papers as he as been in the papers before and is also a likely bigger news story brewing. if it was 90% of the players in the league, the papers would not be interested. i am not making excuses, but they are selling an agenda.

and 90% of people on here believe the papers with no real evidence most of the time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 09, 2016, 11:21:38 AM
IF this is proved to be true, which at the moment it hasn't, I think he would deserve to see his licence torn up. The same applies to anyone who acts this way.

I don't care if 'loads of people are doing it.' They deserve the same treatment.

Every time you get behind a wheel you might end peoples lives, They are not toys.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 09, 2016, 11:26:19 AM
and 90% of people on here believe the papers with no real evidence most of the time.

You his best mate?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on August 09, 2016, 11:30:19 AM
its not about being his mate

he has a bit of a naive bad boy image
so the papers want to make sure there are stories that fit that agenda
so if he gets a big move the player is known to the readers and then they can focus on him etc

they probably already have written the story about his big money transfer and are just making sure that when it happens, people have heard of him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 09, 2016, 11:33:33 AM
its not about being his mate

he has a bit of a naive bad boy image
so the papers want to make sure there are stories that fit that agenda
so if he gets a big move the player is known to the readers and then they can focus on him etc

they probably already have written the story about his big money transfer and are just making sure that when it happens, people have heard of him

Regardless of this story, the kids an idiot. Sooner we are rid the better, he might be a talent, not that we've seen much of it lately anyway, but I don't want him at my club.

He is never far from trouble, and it wouldn't surprise me if he spent some time in cells throughout his career.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 09, 2016, 11:48:26 AM
Few things:

Apparently he was on his way to the airport to fly out for the Real Mallorca game

This pre-season, he has been regularly photographed with Solomon Rondon & Jonathon Leko.

It's possible all 3 were travelling together in the same car, & therefore, it's possible that one of the other two took the video. I'm still certain it was shot from behind Saido, you can see his left shoulder for most of the clip,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on August 09, 2016, 11:52:38 AM
I understand this was sent to one of his friends who in turn notified the paper.

Message to Berahino - choose your friends more carefully, most will be hangers on and detrimental to your decision making.

Oh wait a minute



















too late
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 09, 2016, 12:03:48 PM

if anyones kid on here is a berahino fan.... selling him to another club wont change that for the starters

your saying you or anyone in your family have never done anything wrong? what you going to do, get rid of them out your family? (some people have done worse than saido, some havn't - its the way life goes)

Personally, i don't agree with some of the stuff he has done but all this negativity from so called fans is getting very boring now and grown men are looking and sounding very pathetic towards a young lad.

Speaking of reputations..  I work in a big company full of fans of different clubs, nearly all of them agree with each other that 'we' (baggie fans) are a joke for many different reasons, so yeah if its 'reputation' your concerned about... we are surely doing a great job.

For a start I couldn't give a monkeys what other fans think of us....also child Albion fans who love Berahino now will not love him when he has gone...FACT

Secondly Berahino is not in my family, my family are not in the public eye and if anyone in family acted that way I would want my children to look upto that family member.

Yes Berahino can do what he likes its his life, but the fact remains that he is a role model, is paid handsomely to do a job that requires a certain level maturity knowing full well every move being made is being watched, I'm also pretty sure his contract will include certain things pertaining to his image and the image of the club.

everytime he is in the paper for stupidity or breaking the law it drags our club through the mud.

Im glad you find it ok, im not too happy being called pathetic because I'm sick of the circus that surrounds this numpty

he scored goals 2 seasons ago, since then the circus has followed him everywhere and he has made it even worse with his actions, last season he scored 4 in 28 so hardly set the world alight, even in preseason he hasn't mustered a goal against great opposition like Torquay, so the argument 'he scores goals and we need a goalscorer' doesnt hold much water  for me

Yes he is talented but do I want him at this club....absolutely NOT...let him be someone elses issue
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on August 09, 2016, 12:18:32 PM
Thank you Tommcneill you`ve said what I was thinking but couldn't put into words.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 09, 2016, 12:25:09 PM
How can people continue to defend him ffs?  :-X

 He is not 'one of us' for Christ's sake, he wants out, he wants nothing to do with our club, please wake up and smell the coffee, he is a tarnish on our reputation, get him gone please.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 09, 2016, 12:38:07 PM
He's young , seems more immature than he should be for his age and career profile but I won't judge his character anymore than that because i don't know him .

I do know , for 18 months he's been in the news more because of non footballing reasons than football reasons which tells
a tale.

Football wise as Tom said , he's scored 4 in 28 last season and done very very little to be considered a 20m + player recently. Enough said.

We're in the process of replacing him and I think all round that's the best thing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 09, 2016, 12:38:54 PM
You his best mate?

No, just refuse to Salk over something that doesn't affect my life in any way.

And the fact some people need to lay off him, yes he's done wrong in the past and I believe he WILL make more mistakes.... but we all urine, sh!t and bleed the same yet some people feel like they can judge other people. Until someone comes on this forum who has not put a foot wrong in life... none of us have any right judging anyone else.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 09, 2016, 12:40:05 PM
I have watched Albion for 60 years now, and I have never had a personal dislike for an Albion player until SB these last 18 months. I feel I cannot enjoy a match if he's playing, for my sanity and many others get him gone now!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on August 09, 2016, 12:43:28 PM
I posted on here this time last year saying that we should have accepted Tottenham's offer for Berahino regardless of what the terms and structure of the payments was and I got totally slated by the majority. That would have been our last realistic opportunity to sell him for anywhere near our asking price. The bloke has only 1 year left on his contract now so who in their right mind is going to take a risk and pay good money for this stroppy, sulking, immature liability? If anyone will be willing to take a risk then it will be next year! We will end up getting absolutely diddly squat for the toss pot now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 09, 2016, 12:51:27 PM
I posted on here this time last year saying that we should have accepted Tottenham's offer for Berahino regardless of what the terms and structure of the payments was and I got totally slated by the majority. That would have been our last realistic opportunity to sell him for anywhere near our asking price. The bloke has only 1 year left on his contract now so who in their right mind is going to take a risk and pay good money for this stroppy, sulking, immature liability? If anyone will be willing to take a risk then it will be next year! We will end up getting absolutely diddly squat for the toss pot now

I'm not so sure, if the Sakho deal had gone through I think he would have been at Stoke now and we'd be about £20M better off.

We shouldn't sell until we have a replacement in as we would be left short of attacking options.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 09, 2016, 12:53:47 PM
No, just refuse to Salk over something that doesn't affect my life in any way.

And the fact some people need to lay off him, yes he's done wrong in the past and I believe he WILL make more mistakes.... but we all urine, sh!t and bleed the same yet some people feel like they can judge other people. Until someone comes on this forum who has not put a foot wrong in life... none of us have any right judging anyone else.

I think I am fully entitled to judge anyone who drink drives at over 100mph. It not like he's say struggling with drugs and needs help. It's just being a p***k and putting innocent peoples lives in danger for absolutely no reason.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 09, 2016, 12:57:51 PM
I have watched Albion for 60 years now, and I have never had a personal dislike for an Albion player until SB these last 18 months. I feel I cannot enjoy a match if he's playing, for my sanity and many others get him gone now!

What about Anelka & Odemwingie? They didn't bring the club into disrepute then?


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Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 09, 2016, 01:03:42 PM
the people moaning about him don't know him personally, only as a footballer

why don't we all grow up and look at him as a footballer instead of judging his personal life? who gives a damn what he's been doing in his car or on snapchat and twitter... how does it effect any of you? there's terrorists and pedophiles in this world and many of you are using your valuable time to run down a YOUNG ADULT. WOW, shame half couldn't put that much effort into the stadium on matchdays!

There's only ONE fact here, we need someone who can score goals... he can score goals.

Getting really boring now a bunch of our 'fans' who are probably grown 'men', like a broken record.

yes, you would do this and do that, you dont want him you would rather his this guy or that guy... BUT YOU AINT GOT A P***ING SAY IN IT! so get used to it and change the god damn record will you its embarrassing.

I completely agree with you. Sure, Berahino acts like a tw** sometimes, well lots of us did when we were his age. Many of us matured and became a lot more sensible and responsible. But the fact is, what he does in his own time is of no concern to supporters. What he does on the pitch is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2016, 01:10:28 PM
I completely agree with you. Sure, Berahino acts like a tw** sometimes, well lots of us did when we were his age. Many of us matured and became a lot more sensible and responsible. But the fact is, what he does in his own time is of no concern to supporters. What he does on the pitch is.

Majority of people learn from their mistakes, this is his third issue while driving and he's hardly a kid anymore so that excuse has past its use by date. It reflects badly on the club when he's in the news for flouting driving laws so I think some would see it as a valid concern for supporters to be honest, none of us want to see the name West Bromwich Albion in the news for negative stories. Also I think an argument could be made for the negative stories that surround him off the pitch could easily have a negative affect on his performances on the pitch too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on August 09, 2016, 01:21:49 PM
What a prat you are saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on August 09, 2016, 01:23:49 PM
I'm not so sure, if the Sakho deal had gone through I think he would have been at Stoke now and we'd be about £20M better off.

We shouldn't sell until we have a replacement in as we would be left short of attacking options.

I agree in general with the principle of not selling until we have a replacement signed but with Berahino, under Pulis we we have hardly seen him play as an out and out striker so it could be argued that we have already replaced him with Phillips? I also suspect that when it came to the crunch, Stoke wouldn't have gone through with a £20 million deal, they would have played hard ball and if signing him at all, it wouldn't have been our full valuation and I think with his contract situation we would have accepted much less. It would be interesting to know how much we would have recouped in instalments from Spurs by now, as well as obviously having recouped plenty more by having him off the wage bill.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 09, 2016, 01:25:07 PM
What about Anelka & Odemwingie? They didn't bring the club into disrepute then

Disapprove Yes ....... Dislike No...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 09, 2016, 01:35:10 PM
I have watched Albion for 60 years now, and I have never had a personal dislike for an Albion player until SB these last 18 months. I feel I cannot enjoy a match if he's playing, for my sanity and many others get him gone now!

Not even Lee Hughes? He's done worse than Saido has.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 09, 2016, 01:37:33 PM
Lads, can we stick to the Saido topic please, we all know how Lee Hughes topics end up, arguments and locked topics.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 09, 2016, 01:40:49 PM
Lads, can we stick to the Saido topic please, we all know how Lee Hughes topics end up, arguments and locked topics.

My apologies for mentioning, as much as I agree that Saido has done wrong IN HIS PERSONAL LIFE... I couldn't give a damn what he does off the field but it's completely ridiculous people can say he's been our worst in ex amount of years when he's nowhere near as bad as some players we have had.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 09, 2016, 01:42:04 PM
Not even Lee Hughes? He's done worse than Saido has.

Anelka & Odemwingie's gestures were pre-planned & thoroughly selfish.

Saido's was immature & borne out of frustration.

Saido I can forgive, but Anelka & Odemwingie, not a chance
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on August 09, 2016, 03:14:32 PM
Mr Lai`s here I wonder if he`s heard of Mr Beranino`s latest transgression Hmmmm
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 09, 2016, 03:17:34 PM
My apologies for mentioning, as much as I agree that Saido has done wrong IN HIS PERSONAL LIFE... I couldn't give a damn what he does off the field but it's completely ridiculous people can say he's been our worst in ex amount of years when he's nowhere near as bad as some players we have had.

They're still representing the club you support, and as such you should probably care a little they're being a complete pr*ck again.

Drags our club through the mud
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 09, 2016, 03:18:54 PM
I completely agree with you. Sure, Berahino acts like a tw** sometimes, well lots of us did when we were his age. Many of us matured and became a lot more sensible and responsible. But the fact is, what he does in his own time is of no concern to supporters. What he does on the pitch is.

What has he done in the pitch on the past  year or 18 months which is so amazing? He flatters to deceive for me , nice touches but little end product - he has scored 4 in 28? Is career recorded is 1 goal every 4.5 matches. Am I missing something? He's too old to be 'potentially' good . Same scoring record as Shane Long but adds less to overall the play than Long did.  His good touch belies the fact he doesn't change games often enough to be considered that good. We should get over him and look forward , especially if someone is willing to give us loadsa dosh for him. .....wohey ....,.!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2016, 03:24:56 PM
i still say feed him properly, give him the service and given the right surroundings he will be back playing for England in no time.
Unfortuanatly for us Tony Pulis is the head coach of football here.

i am not praising his off the field antics though
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 09, 2016, 03:38:36 PM
i still say feed him properly, give him the service and given the right surroundings he will be back playing for England in no time.
Unfortuanatly for us Tony Pulis is the head coach of football here.

i am not praising his off the field antics though

I know what you mean Devon, he's got a great finish on him now and again but whether it's the way the team plays, his commitment, fitness or something else (his mental state for eg) - he just ain't performed for the baggies for a good while now . He doesn't want to be here that's clear and brings bad press which most of us are fed up or bored with (in my case).

I wish he'd bore off and let us move on to talking about attacking players who are committed and create / score - when we've signed a few!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2016, 03:44:15 PM
sadly he would most likely thrive in a stoke or a palace team
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 09, 2016, 03:49:43 PM
sadly he would most likely thrive in a stoke or a palace team

Probably , but we need players to fit our system . We've chosen Pulis so can't sign or keep players who don't fit his way of doing things......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: newbaggie on August 09, 2016, 04:21:43 PM
I would sell berahino because I don't think he will change. Another player who will not reach his potential.Get rid now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2016, 04:25:24 PM
I would sell berahino because I don't think he will change. Another player who will not reach his potential.Get rid now.

Sure he will be gone when we get someone else in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 09, 2016, 07:34:30 PM
I do laugh at the "he won't reach his potential" quotes
He drives what car, his house is how big,he's guaranteed to earn how much in the next 18 months?
He's doing ok, some might not like him sucking air from a balloon and taking some photographs , but there are murderers , terrorists and perverts walking the streets...I know where my hatred will go
I tell you one thing , this guy loves and respects his mother, there are many that could still learn from him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on August 09, 2016, 08:04:50 PM
I do laugh at the "he won't reach his potential" quotes
He drives what car, his house is how big,he's guaranteed to earn how much in the next 18 months?
He's doing ok, some might not like him sucking air from a balloon and taking some photographs , but there are murderers , terrorists and perverts walking the streets...I know where my hatred will go
I tell you one thing , this guy loves and respects his mother, there are many that could still learn from him.

His mother is the only one he respects by the sound of it! ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 09, 2016, 08:24:45 PM
I do laugh at the "he won't reach his potential" quotes
He drives what car, his house is how big,he's guaranteed to earn how much in the next 18 months?
He's doing ok, some might not like him sucking air from a balloon and taking some photographs , but there are murderers , terrorists and perverts walking the streets...I know where my hatred will go
I tell you one thing , this guy loves and respects his mother, there are many that could still learn from him.

What has any of this got to do with being a footballer by the way?

He ain't proven much yet as a footballer hence why Stoke and Palace are after him vs a champions league club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2016, 08:41:46 PM
His mother is the only one he respects by the sound of it! ::)

He must make her so proud with his actions behind the wheel of a car.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 09, 2016, 08:43:38 PM
What has any of this got to do with being a footballer by the way?

He ain't proven much yet as a footballer hence why Stoke and Palace are after him vs a champions league club.
But the way some talk?
Stoke and palace,on 60k per week 4 year contract doesn't sound too bad eh?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 09, 2016, 08:47:53 PM
But the way some talk?
Stoke and palace,on 60k per week 4 year contract doesn't sound too bad eh?

That's it mate 60k and a 4 year contract - football is crazy these days!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 09, 2016, 09:01:15 PM
But the way some talk?
Stoke and palace,on 60k per week 4 year contract doesn't sound too bad eh?

him reaching his potential has nothing to do with his earnings he could possibly make

When his career is over will people talk about the money he earnt?? or the goals, trophies and caps he won??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 09, 2016, 09:05:20 PM
him reaching his potential has nothing to do with his earnings he could possibly make

When his career is over will people talk about the money he earnt?? or the goals, trophies and caps he won??
I get what you are saying too, but he ain't Norman whiteside,Michael Johnson,Neil mellor etc
He's a proven prem striker, has represented his country and still has enough time to push on a level.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 09, 2016, 09:17:30 PM
I get what you are saying too, but he ain't Norman whiteside,Michael Johnson,Neil mellor etc
He's a proven prem striker, has represented his country and still has enough time to push on a level.

Michael Ricketts and Francis Jeffers both played at full level for their country (something Saido has yet to do) but neither are remembered for what they did, more what they didn't do.

He needs to get some good advisors around him and get his head screwed on before its too late for him but hey he'll be a rich lad so all good eh.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 09, 2016, 09:51:01 PM
I get what you are saying too, but he ain't Norman whiteside,Michael Johnson,Neil mellor etc
He's a proven prem striker, has represented his country and still has enough time to push on a level.

I wouldnt go down the route of calling him proven...1 season wonder so far

I rate him, think he can go far but not with his current attitude an mentality
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 10, 2016, 06:56:12 AM
him reaching his potential has nothing to do with his earnings he could possibly make

When his career is over will people talk about the money he earnt?? or the goals, trophies and caps he won??
Having escaped war torn Burundi as a 10 year old (?) to earning stupid money a week for kicking a football about. I'm sure his life is full of regrets?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 10, 2016, 12:37:58 PM
We need to kill this wonderkid myth,

2015- 2016 he scored 4 in league and 3 in the cup.

2014-15, Premier League  P38 Scored14,    FA Cup P4    Scored5,    League Cup  P3   scored 1   â€”   Total P45   scored 20

looks good, but analyse it more
FA Cup 4 goals against Gateshead
premier league 4 pens

Being objective he scored 12 goals in "open play, in competitive games",

Which isn't bad, but not the great shakes it is percieved to be.

does he have potential, possibly if he gets his head sorted,

is he worth £20m -  Today = No!

Will we miss him?  IMO - No,   his disruptive factor and lack of contribution on the pitch do not equate to a loss IMHO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 10, 2016, 01:40:28 PM
We need to kill this wonderkid myth,

2015- 2016 he scored 4 in league and 3 in the cup.

2014-15, Premier League  P38 Scored14,    FA Cup P4    Scored5,    League Cup  P3   scored 1   â€”   Total P45   scored 20

looks good, but analyse it more
FA Cup 4 goals against Gateshead
premier league 4 pens


Being objective he scored 12 goals in "open play, in competitive games",

Which isn't bad, but not the great shakes it is percieved to be.

does he have potential, possibly if he gets his head sorted,

is he worth £20m -  Today = No!

Will we miss him?  IMO - No,   his disruptive factor and lack of contribution on the pitch do not equate to a loss IMHO.
Why discount goals against Gateshead and penalties?
Did the record books do that for shearer,van nistelrooy?
If you don't like him and/or don't rate him that's fine, it's your choice, but why almost change the facts to make a basis for your argument?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on August 10, 2016, 01:46:49 PM
We need to kill this wonderkid myth,

2015- 2016 he scored 4 in league and 3 in the cup.

2014-15, Premier League  P38 Scored14,    FA Cup P4    Scored5,    League Cup  P3   scored 1   â€”   Total P45   scored 20

looks good, but analyse it more
FA Cup 4 goals against Gateshead
premier league 4 pens

Being objective he scored 12 goals in "open play, in competitive games",

Which isn't bad, but not the great shakes it is percieved to be.

does he have potential, possibly if he gets his head sorted,

is he worth £20m -  Today = No!

Will we miss him?  IMO - No,   his disruptive factor and lack of contribution on the pitch do not equate to a loss IMHO.

Exactly. He is vastly overrated. He wasn't worth £20 million last summer either which is why I still say we should have snapped Tottenham's hand off when they made their offer. We would still have been better off both as a club and financially regardless of the payment instalments when you consider he was barely used last season so therefore it can hardly be said that he will be missed. If he stays then he will be a 'bit part player' again this season too so quite why we didn't sell him last year for £20+ million to Spurs I never know. We would have had a couple of chunky sized instalments already safely banked and we would be without the constant threat of his disruptive influence.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on August 10, 2016, 01:56:01 PM
Stoke and palace think he's worth 20 million + if you are to believe the paper's. Blokes a nob but can score goals with either foot at this level and if he had a brain cell between those ears of his he'd have buckled down and did he's talking on pitch then we wouldn't be grudge his move and for slot more than 20 million
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 10, 2016, 01:58:53 PM
Exactly. He is vastly overrated. He wasn't worth £20 million last summer either which is why I still say we should have snapped Tottenham's hand off when they made their offer. We would still have been better off both as a club and financially regardless of the payment instalments when you consider he was barely used last season so therefore it can hardly be said that he will be missed. If he stays then he will be a 'bit part player' again this season too so quite why we didn't sell him last year for £20+ million to Spurs I never know. We would have had a couple of chunky sized instalments already safely banked and we would be without the constant threat of his disruptive influence.
Berahino at 20m , pogba at 90m Andy Carroll at 50m , which one is the most overpriced?
You mention that he is a "disruptive influence" but in training and pre match he seems to get on with the majority of players and appears fit in?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 10, 2016, 02:08:01 PM
Berahino at 20m , pogba at 90m Andy Carroll at 50m , which one is the most overpriced?
You mention that he is a "disruptive influence" but in training and pre match he seems to get on with the majority of players and appears fit in?

Carroll was 35 million.

In today's market Berahino is worth between 20 and 30 million on potential alone due to his British passport.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on August 10, 2016, 02:08:39 PM
Berahino at 20m , pogba at 90m Andy Carroll at 50m , which one is the most overpriced?
You mention that he is a "disruptive influence" but in training and pre match he seems to get on with the majority of players and appears fit in?

I mention the 'disruptive influence' because rightly or wrongly, what happened last summer was very much a direct disruptive influence on the club with what with his strike threat, negative media attention and then after that had all died down finding himself on the fringes of the team because of his actions rather than being what he should have been, a 'first name on the team sheet' starter in the side. The relationship will never be the same again between the club and Saido so because of that his value to the club has obviously diminished (that would apply to any non-regular starter) which is why I don't value him at the £20million asking price.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 10, 2016, 02:20:22 PM
I mention the 'disruptive influence' because rightly or wrongly, what happened last summer was very much a direct disruptive influence on the club with what with his strike threat, negative media attention and then after that had all died down finding himself on the fringes of the team because of his actions rather than being what he should have been, a 'first name on the team sheet' starter in the side. The relationship will never be the same again between the club and Saido so because of that his value to the club has obviously diminished (that would apply to any non-regular starter) which is why I don't value him at the £20million asking price.

Essentially, it's £20 million because that is what it would cost to replace him. Allegedly Stoke & Palace agree.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nathan on August 10, 2016, 02:44:21 PM
Essentially, it's £20 million because that is what it would cost to replace him. Allegedly Stoke & Palace agree.

I agree, £20 million is probably what it would take to get a half decent, Premier League quality striker. We should though be looking to invest that sort of money at the very least regardless of Saido's worth/value. If Saido goes for nothing that shouldn't be stopping us spending £20 million in the transfer market on a replacement, after all, as has been said on here, that isn't actually (relatively speaking) a great deal in today's vastly over-inflated, TV money fuelled transfer market so we shouldn't be letting the situation and uncertainty over Saido dictate any movements for players. If we have to cut our losses and shift him on now for next to nothing then we should for the benefit of the stability and general well being of the club. As I said before, I think the relationship between the club and Saido is pretty much terminal so lets get rid for the benefit of everyone. If he manages to pull himself together and grow up in the future elsewhere then good luck to him, he just isn't for us anymore.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 10, 2016, 03:14:34 PM
I do laugh at the "he won't reach his potential" quotes
He drives what car, his house is how big,he's guaranteed to earn how much in the next 18 months?
He's doing ok, some might not like him sucking air from a balloon and taking some photographs , but there are murderers , terrorists and perverts walking the streets...I know where my hatred will go
I tell you one thing , this guy loves and respects his mother, there are many that could still learn from him.

Really odd post. You're far more likely to be on the receiving end of an idiot like him on the roads than be murdered or caught in a terrorist attack.

I don't see how anyone can defend him. Just get rid of the silly boy, more hassle than he's worth.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Arthur Pewty on August 12, 2016, 05:32:22 PM
Being reported that he intends to see out his contract at WBA, therefore he will remain at the club until the end of the season. Looks like he realises that the prospect of either Stoke or Palace is the only exit route available. Therefore a good season will increase his stock and potentially a move to a bigger club..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on August 12, 2016, 05:34:48 PM
Being reported that he intends to see out his contract at WBA, therefore he will remain at the club until the end of the season. Looks like he realises that the prospect of either Stoke or Palace is the only exit route available. Therefore a good season will increase his stock and potentially a move to a bigger club..

That's been said for what, the last two seasons now?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 12, 2016, 05:45:27 PM
He is unlikely to get a good season here though. Pulis doesn't play to his strengths and told him last season that he could leave so doesn't truly have him in his plans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 12, 2016, 05:54:27 PM
He is unlikely to get a good season here though. Pulis doesn't play to his strengths and told him last season that he could leave so doesn't truly have him in his plans.

Pulis seems to want to keep him when asked about him, but then again... it's pulis, nothing surprises me with him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 12, 2016, 05:55:28 PM
He needs to move on for both his and the club's sake. Also, after all the trouble and turbulence he's caused, moving on would be the honourable thing to do, although I doubt he's too worried about that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 12, 2016, 05:56:19 PM
Pulis seems to want to keep him when asked about him, but then again... it's pulis, nothing surprises me with him
He doesn't have much choice but to say that really, as he might end up stuck with him once again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on August 12, 2016, 06:31:14 PM
Saido Berahino will see out West Bromwich Albion contract

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/english-premier-league/story/2928076/saido-berahino-will-see-out-west-bromwich-albion-contract-sources
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 12, 2016, 06:37:54 PM
Saido Berahino will see out West Bromwich Albion contract

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/english-premier-league/story/2928076/saido-berahino-will-see-out-west-bromwich-albion-contract-sources
Me thinks he knows there are changes imminent..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 12, 2016, 06:51:30 PM
He must be looking forward to his signing on fee to make up for not accepting higher wages.Dodgy strategy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on August 13, 2016, 12:27:07 PM
He must be looking forward to his signing on fee to make up for not accepting higher wages.Dodgy strategy.

He could probably have trebled his wages with us two seasons ago but has chosen to play silly buggers. If he stays with us for this season and doesn't impress then no-one will offer him big bucks next season. I agree, he is taking a big gamble. I can see him moving to Stoke before the deadline.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 13, 2016, 03:59:35 PM
Saido Berahino will see out West Bromwich Albion contract

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/english-premier-league/story/2928076/saido-berahino-will-see-out-west-bromwich-albion-contract-sources

If thats true, wouldn't the club just sell him now? regardless of how much (or how less) they could sell him for surely it would be better to get something for him rather than letting him go for free?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 13, 2016, 04:02:55 PM
If thats true, wouldn't the club just sell him now? regardless of how much (or how less) they could sell him for surely it would be better to get something for him rather than letting him go for free?

He can't go for free at all unless it's abroad
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 13, 2016, 04:08:10 PM
He can't go for free at all unless it's abroad

Im guessing that espn link is BS then? - I thought it made no sense when i read it tbh that the club would sit back and let that happen
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 13, 2016, 06:36:33 PM
The problem is the club might want to sell him but unless he fancies the move then he simply can refuse to leave as are Pocognoli Gamboa and Lambert.

I want him gone and I'm not that fussed about having a replacement before he goes the current situation isn't working for anyone
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 13, 2016, 07:53:03 PM
If I were him I'd run the contract down if the only options are Stoke or Palace. I hope he doesn't mind you, I want him gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 13, 2016, 08:07:53 PM
The problem is the club might want to sell him but unless he fancies the move then he simply can refuse to leave as are Pocognoli Gamboa and Lambert.

I want him gone and I'm not that fussed about having a replacement before he goes the current situation isn't working for anyone

Can't blame anyone for refusing to go somewhere they don't want them to though.

But if Saido and Rondon have a good partnership going and get goals between them that puts points on the board... the current situation is working. It's pretty obvious to anyone he's going nowhere before we get a replacement, the sooner people just ignore everything else and focus on just the football the better.

Can see him still being here when the window closes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on August 13, 2016, 08:35:31 PM
Can't blame anyone for refusing to go somewhere they don't want them to though.

But if Saido and Rondon have a good partnership going and get goals between them that puts points on the board... the current situation is working. It's pretty obvious to anyone he's going nowhere before we get a replacement, the sooner people just ignore everything else and focus on just the football the better.

Can see him still being here when the window closes
Thought he was poor today and can't see them forging a partnership if he stays
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 13, 2016, 09:11:35 PM
Can't blame anyone for refusing to go somewhere they don't want them to though.

But if Saido and Rondon have a good partnership going and get goals between them that puts points on the board... the current situation is working. It's pretty obvious to anyone he's going nowhere before we get a replacement, the sooner people just ignore everything else and focus on just the football the better.

Can see him still being here when the window closes

No absolutely not any player has that right to see his contract out regardless of what the club or it's fans thinks of it.

My problem is there no sign of Rondon and Berahino forming an effective partnership. Personally if I was tasked with getting Rondon and Berahino on the pitch at the same time I'm going with a 4-3-3 with Saido in a wide striker role but that isn't going happen. However I can easily see him being here until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on August 13, 2016, 09:54:54 PM
No absolutely not any player has that right to see his contract out regardless of what the club or it's fans thinks of it.

My problem is there no sign of Rondon and Berahino forming an effective partnership. Personally if I was tasked with getting Rondon and Berahino on the pitch at the same time I'm going with a 4-3-3 with Saido in a wide striker role but that isn't going happen. However I can easily see him being here until the end of the season.
.   What do you mean it can't happen ? It happened today and we was away from home :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 13, 2016, 10:34:34 PM
Today was a 4-4-2 Gardner and  Phillips out wide with Saido in the number 10 role which he is not great in and we have plenty of evidence that it doesn't suit him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on August 13, 2016, 10:34:57 PM
Pulis said a deal not far away for Berahino but he will not go until another striker comes In I wonder if one is close
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on August 13, 2016, 10:54:05 PM
Pulis said a deal not far away for Berahino but he will not go until another striker comes In I wonder if one is close
might be rubbish but this one just popped up.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/844486318?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on August 13, 2016, 11:05:36 PM
Today was a 4-4-2 Gardner and  Phillips out wide with Saido in the number 10 role which he is not great in and we have plenty of evidence that it doesn't suit him.

It worked well when he slotted in behind Ideye.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on August 13, 2016, 11:09:45 PM
Pulis said a deal not far away for Berahino but he will not go until another striker comes In I wonder if one is close
.  Watched two of his post match comments and never mentioned anything about a deal being not far away just said " He would not be going any where unless we bring someone in ,it would be suicidal ,and he would love him to be here when the window shuts
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on August 13, 2016, 11:12:49 PM
Today was a 4-4-2 Gardner and  Phillips out wide with Saido in the number 10 role which he is not great in and we have plenty of evidence that it doesn't suit him.
. Well listening to Pullis ,he cut short the reporter to say "The little man was tremendous today " doesn't sound like they can't play together to me
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 13, 2016, 11:38:34 PM
.  Watched two of his post match comments and never mentioned anything about a deal being not far away just said " He would not be going any where unless we bring someone in ,it would be suicidal ,and he would love him to be here when the window shuts

If we can bring in someone hungry, who'll compliment Rondon we'll potentially be better off. Clinton N'Jie on loan from Spurs perhaps would be an interesting short term replacement.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 13, 2016, 11:45:19 PM
As is often the case me and Pulis seem to watch different games virtually no link up play between the two thought Berahino wasn't involved anywhere enough to justify Pulis' praise. I have no idea what is going on here it is as clear as mud
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on August 13, 2016, 11:49:31 PM
As is often the case me and Pulis seem to watch different games virtually no link up play between the two thought Berahino wasn't involved anywhere enough to justify Pulis' praise. I have no idea what is going on here it is as clear as mud

  Obvious he's going to bull him up 1:.To get the best out the player and 2:.to keep his price up and if he stays then it feels he's got the backing of his Manager
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on August 14, 2016, 12:08:51 AM
On MOTD they said he'd scored 1 goal in his last 25 appearances  :o

Didn't play well today either, seems like his effort is back but is missing the spark he once had.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 14, 2016, 12:36:30 AM
On MOTD they said he'd scored 1 goal in his last 25 appearances  :o

Didn't play well today either, seems like his effort is back but is missing the spark he once had.

If it continues another year, it'll seriously effect our compensation if he sees his contract out and stays in England after. £20m bids this window or not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 14, 2016, 01:25:21 AM
Sooner he's gone the better. He was the weak link, along with Gardner possibly today.

I'd happily take 15 to see this lazy disgrace gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: asa62 on August 14, 2016, 01:27:47 AM
Darren Fletcher also commented in the post game interview (watching in WA ) that  Berahino had done a good job .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 14, 2016, 09:06:09 AM
He at least looked interested yesterday . I'd imagine Pulis is talking up his price re comments about him and Rondon working together. Pulis had a whole season to get the partnership going and didn't so I can't see why it would suddenly click now?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on August 14, 2016, 09:07:31 AM
Apparently we are still trying to get him to sign a contract! ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on August 14, 2016, 09:15:19 AM
Apparently we are still trying to get him to sign a contract! ???
really bad move the sooner he leaves the better.take the money and move on if we let his contract run down we will be waiting about a year for compensation just like ings to liverpool took ages to sort out
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on August 14, 2016, 09:28:47 AM
Sooner he's gone the better. He was the weak link, along with Gardner possibly today.

I'd happily take 15 to see this lazy disgrace gone.

The only thing that is "lazy" is the lies spouted about Saido. Do you seriously think he would get in a Tony Pulis team if he was "lazy"?!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: shortybaggies on August 14, 2016, 09:49:46 AM
I completely and utterly disagree that Saido should leave. On top form, he's got a magic touch, only think he needs to sort out is his heading, bottled one yesterday. If his movement is sharp, he's focused and puts the effort in, he's ideal to have in the eleven. But needs to sit on the shoulder of the defender, rather than deeper in the attacking midfielder or a centre forward role.

I'd be happy to see him sign a new contract and put all this nonsense to bed


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on August 14, 2016, 09:54:13 AM
to much has gone on and to much time has gone by that hes been a waste of space its about west bromwich albion..the saido berahino show has gone on long enough get rid
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 14, 2016, 10:12:37 AM
I completely and utterly disagree that Saido should leave. On top form, he's got a magic touch, only think he needs to sort out is his heading, bottled one yesterday. If his movement is sharp, he's focused and puts the effort in, he's ideal to have in the eleven. But needs to sit on the shoulder of the defender, rather than deeper in the attacking midfielder or a centre forward role.

I'd be happy to see him sign a new contract and put all this nonsense to bed

Agreed but he isn't on top form hasn't been for a season and isn't being played as an out and out to striker and as such we are better off selling him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on August 14, 2016, 10:27:51 AM
Ive commented several times that I really don't think he's all that great (IMO) I think the last couple of years is his true form and he just happened to have an amazing purple patch of 10 or 12 games. He can't head a ball, he isn't that quick and is a bit of coward when it comes to a 50/50
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on August 14, 2016, 10:29:34 AM
But needs to sit on the shoulder of the defender, rather than deeper in the attacking midfielder or a centre forward role.

Agreed but he doesn't and that may be why it's better to cash in and purchase an "attacking midfielder or a centre forward". Personally I'm a big Saido fan but it is clear that Rondon is the 9 and that we don't and can't currently play two up top on the shoulder.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 14, 2016, 10:45:25 AM
Agreed but he doesn't and that may be why it's better to cash in and purchase an "attacking midfielder or a centre forward". Personally I'm a big Saido fan but it is clear that Rondon is the 9 and that we don't and can't currently play two up top on the shoulder.

Nor should we play two out and out Centre Forwards because a bloody great gap opens up between the back and front of the team we need someone to come towards the ball.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 14, 2016, 10:55:04 AM
We are trying to get money for the lad and we want him gone, Pulis and Fletcher are hardly going to come out and say he was awful and they know he truly isn't all that good are they now?

He has had a full pre season and seems now to be focused once more and he still wasn't particularly good. Get a replacement in and cash in on someone who is massively overhyped.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 14, 2016, 11:25:53 AM
Majority of people learn from their mistakes, this is his third issue while driving and he's hardly a kid anymore so that excuse has past its use by date. It reflects badly on the club when he's in the news for flouting driving laws so I think some would see it as a valid concern for supporters to be honest, none of us want to see the name West Bromwich Albion in the news for negative stories. Also I think an argument could be made for the negative stories that surround him off the pitch could easily have a negative affect on his performances on the pitch too.

It does take some kids longer than others and it's plain to see that he isn't the sharpest tool in the toolbox, but the point is he hasn't done anything that warrants the abuse he gets off some of our supporters and in all honesty he has looked head and shoulders our best attacking threat during pre-season, which is because he has got his head down and worked his backside off to get in shape. It's obvious to see (backed up by the managers comments) that he has learned from his mistakes last year. This isn't a "Marlon King" or "Ched Evans" type of character, he's just guilty of taking longer to grow up than others. He's not a malicious lad, just a knobhead!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 14, 2016, 11:37:15 AM
Thought he linked play quite well and looked sharper than last season.

Although he could have done better from Rondons ball into the box, I honestly thought it should have been played along the floor.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andio on August 14, 2016, 03:32:54 PM
Thought he linked play quite well and looked sharper than last season.

Although he could have done better from Rondons ball into the box, I honestly thought it should have been played along the floor.

I think that's what Saido was saying to Rondon in the aftermath of the chance.

Still should have done better though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RuncornBaggie on August 14, 2016, 06:50:08 PM
Listening to Pulis interview yesterday, I wouldn't actually be surprised if he stays!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on August 14, 2016, 06:58:48 PM
Listening to Pulis interview yesterday, I wouldn't actually be surprised if he stays!

I would be very surprised if he stays personally.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: matt_home1 on August 14, 2016, 07:08:49 PM
Surely we need 2 strikers in before we let one go? We are very thin in attack
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on August 14, 2016, 07:10:52 PM
He`ll  be gone as soon as the chance arises he knows a lot of the fans are against him [including me] as soon as we get new striker in he`s gone I think almost certain to Stoke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 14, 2016, 10:22:07 PM
He does not fancy Palace or Stoke. Just before the deadline someone who he does fancy will come along, and because we have not signed suitable replacement(s) we will not let him go. Strops again and we suffer again. should have got rid last summer. For goodness sake get someone in now, and if he stays so be it, but dont let Berahino have the upper hand.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on August 15, 2016, 02:13:00 AM
I wasnt there but from what I saw on the telly, when the team came over to celebrate with the away end the body language from saido and others showed what an outsider he has made himself - he was going through the motions and he was invisible to the other players - If we can just find someone even half way decent to partner rondon then he;ll be gone and owner, manager, fans and team will breathe a collective sigh of relief, and he will be someone else's (non-scoring) problem
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 15, 2016, 09:56:47 AM
A £20M+ player should be able to get a free header on target. His heading ability is poor.  As well as Palace on Saturday, Watford and Man Utd last season really stick out too.

As another poster said he looks like he is going through the motions, for me he has the whiff of a player who doesn't care if he scores or not. He's doing just enough in games to get by but the spark has most definitely gone.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 15, 2016, 10:05:39 AM
A £20M+ player should be able to get a free header on target. His heading ability is poor.  As well as Palace on Saturday, Watford and Man Utd last season really stick out too.

As another poster said he looks like he is going through the motions, for me he has the whiff of a player who doesn't care if he scores or not. He's doing just enough in games to get by but the spark has most definitely gone.

I agree. We should be taking whatever is on offer (£20m) and running away. I suspect our inability to sign a replacement is not helping. I just wish Pulis would stop saying that he hope he stays when it seems further from the truth.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 15, 2016, 10:17:45 AM
I agree. We should be taking whatever is on offer (£20m) and running away. I suspect our inability to sign a replacement is not helping. I just wish Pulis would stop saying that he hope he stays when it seems further from the truth.

Thats all part of the 'praising him up' along with the contract offer etc, stands us in good light should we need to go to a tribunal (should he stay).

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 15, 2016, 01:00:02 PM
A little disappointed to see the negativity surrounding his performance against Palace. Personally I thought he did the job he was clearly asked to do very well and he does look fitter than he did last year, whether he keeps it up if the window closes and he's still here remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on August 15, 2016, 01:13:38 PM
He did play well against Palace but I can`t wait to get rid and get  of the negativity that surrounds him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B714LF on August 21, 2016, 01:12:56 PM
The most overrated player in the premier league. No pace, cannot head a ball and positional spence is terrible. Yes he is a scorer of good goals but he's not a goal scorer. Keeping this guy makes no sense at all. Game yesterday just passed him by. We have a new Chairman winging about the price of players yet we hold onto a player we will probably get half as much for at the end of the season and offers nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sammyg on August 21, 2016, 01:16:25 PM
I believe we need to play him higher up, he is a very good finisher, I can't remember the last time he's had a shot in the prem let alone scored
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 21, 2016, 05:02:24 PM
I believe we need to play him higher up, he is a very good finisher, I can't remember the last time he's had a shot in the prem let alone scored

Good point Sammy, the one consistently
good thing Berahino is that he can play on the shoulder of the last defender. He's a 6 yard box striker so why Pulis thinks he's a number 10 or winger I don't know. Either play to his strength or not at all. He's looked lost for a long time now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on August 21, 2016, 05:12:09 PM
I believe we need to play him higher up, he is a very good finisher, I can't remember the last time he's had a shot in the prem let alone scored
i cant remember the last time he turned up for a game..sooner we get rid the better and would be a massive mistake if we dont take 20m this window
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on August 21, 2016, 05:18:56 PM
I believe we need to play him higher up, he is a very good finisher, I can't remember the last time he's had a shot in the prem let alone scored

Said the same yesterday. He's yet another player played out of position by Pulis.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 21, 2016, 05:37:26 PM
Said the same yesterday. He's yet another player played out of position by Pulis.

I think he's put in the effort over the past two games but just seems the last eighteen months of unprofessional messing around has taken it's toll and he's lost that spark, that x factor. I was hoping he would come good again but nothing last season or this shows any sign of his early promise.

He needs to get away and we need to get some serious cash for him before his value plummets
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 21, 2016, 05:48:27 PM
We should sell him now, take the £20m off Stoke and wave goodbye.
We wont miss what he offers because he offers nothing.
One good season and some of our fans turn him into an icon.
Not for me, get shut.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 21, 2016, 05:54:53 PM
If he's as bad as people are making out, how are they expecting to sell him?

People are acting like he's a poor player but assume we can get 15 to 25 mil for him.

If you ignore his off the pitch antics and play to his strengths he's the perfect player for us... young, English, great finisher (Henry never scored many with his head, hardly any for that matter... doesn't make him a sh*t striker)

We can't judge his football when he's not being played in his best position.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on August 21, 2016, 06:04:21 PM
If he goes to Stoke they'll have him making runs between defenders in the box and the likes of Bojan and Allen will provide the passes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 21, 2016, 06:05:44 PM
If he's as bad as people are making out, how are they expecting to sell him?

People are acting like he's a poor player but assume we can get 15 to 25 mil for him.

If you ignore his off the pitch antics and play to his strengths he's the perfect player for us... young, English, great finisher (Henry never scored many with his head, hardly any for that matter... doesn't make him a sh*t striker)

We can't judge his football when he's not being played in his best position.

Apart from what you have said you are forgetting he doesn't want to be here
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 21, 2016, 06:08:53 PM
Apart from what you have said you are forgetting he doesn't want to be here

I never said he does
 but people are saying get rid he's poor, no good for anything... well how on earth are we going to sell such a bad player for 20mil? Regardless of what he's done people are not being realistic. If people are willing to pay that price then surely there must be something about him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 21, 2016, 06:18:26 PM
I never said he does
 but people are saying get rid he's poor, no good for anything... well how on earth are we going to sell such a bad player for 20mil? Regardless of what he's done people are not being realistic. If people are willing to pay that price then surely there must be something about him?

There may well be, but not for us.
Football is littered with players that have gone for big bucks and nobody knows why.
Andy Carrol went to Liverpool for 30 odd million, Torres to Chelsea for £50m, Benteke to Liverpool £32m
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 21, 2016, 07:14:14 PM
There may well be, but not for us.
Football is littered with players that have gone for big bucks and nobody knows why.
Andy Carrol went to Liverpool for 30 odd million, Torres to Chelsea for £50m, Benteke to Liverpool £32m

Curtiss Davies to Vile £12m  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on August 23, 2016, 10:27:20 PM
You'd swear he's doing his best to f..k up
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on August 23, 2016, 10:29:55 PM
his head is gone drop him out the team . done nothing in ages
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on August 23, 2016, 10:31:14 PM
Last kick of extra time he blazed over from 7 yards , time Pulis stop protecting him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on August 23, 2016, 10:33:11 PM
Berahino kept to his word, said he would never play for JP again and he hasn't.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on August 23, 2016, 10:33:46 PM
We really should have accepted the bids for him this summer. Would have been a bit of a robbery really the amounts rumoured to have been offered.

It was only our lack of confidence in our own ability to sign players that has put us off. Maybe if we sign Rodriguez and one other, you might see Berahino go.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on August 23, 2016, 10:34:33 PM
You'd swear he's doing his best to f..k up

I agree entirely he is a total liability just get him out of the club now, don't think about getting a replacement first, what are we replacing yes just a spoilt overpaid brat. I could use stronger words!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2016, 10:34:57 PM
Last kick of extra time he blazed over from 7 yards , time Pulis stop protecting him.
He needs to be bent over the desk, pants pulled down and have the slipper in front of his mother....Like the child who he is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 23, 2016, 10:35:38 PM
Surely none of our fans can still support him? He gave up playing for us a year ago for heavens sake.

Whatever bid there is for him, just get rid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on August 23, 2016, 10:37:45 PM
said it before , he's been dire for 6 months so why we play him god knows.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2016, 10:39:09 PM
said it before , he's been dire for 6 months so why we play him god knows.

Play him or PAY him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 23, 2016, 10:39:26 PM
said it before , he's been dire for 6 months so why we play him god knows.
Brinksmanship
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 23, 2016, 10:39:33 PM
£20m rejected. Laughable really. We are a joke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 23, 2016, 10:39:38 PM
To make everyone feel better.... aguero missed 2 penalties in one game recently (the best strikers in the world miss them!) ;D

... then scored a couple to make up for it lol  :P

Couldn't give a toss if him, pulis and half of the other muppets walk and we don't see them play for us again.

Not defending Saido at all but for God sake our squad is urine poor! What hope do we have when we struggle AGAIN against lower league teams
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on August 23, 2016, 10:39:55 PM
I'm under the impression Stoke still want him?

If so I'd drive him there myself, he is completely done.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on August 23, 2016, 10:40:00 PM
said it before , he's been dire for 6 months so why we play him god knows.
.  You'd swear he's doing it on purpose . This has got to be the last straw
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2016, 10:41:04 PM
I'm under the impression Stoke still want him?

If so I'd drive him there myself, he is completely done.

I'd take him on a rickshaw, even with my rubbish legs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 23, 2016, 10:41:12 PM
I'm under the impression Stoke still want him?

If so I'd drive him there myself, he is completely done.

Most definitely.

If he remains come the end of the transfer window I think that'll be it for me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on August 23, 2016, 10:41:35 PM
Drop him from the team and have a 5 man midfield please. Rodriguez or Phillips behind Rondon with a new winger one side and Leko the other. We don't need this man near the team anymore.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on August 23, 2016, 10:50:44 PM
£20m rejected. Laughable really. We are a joke.
You keep saying that , would you have taken 5 mill up front with a few days to go then?
You also quote the panic buy of Vic and Sess , would have led to the same again surely ?
They kept him , didn't take a rubbish deal and stayed up to land mega money,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mikehy on August 23, 2016, 10:52:20 PM
This man should never wear our shirt again. Never before as anyone treated our club with such little respect. Please NJ boo him if in the squad Sunday
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: petethebaggie on August 23, 2016, 10:52:25 PM
He isn't doing it on purpose he just isn't that good. For example he is not as good as Taylor , Hunt or Goodman who were Div 2 players back in the day. He is better than Paul Williams. I am just a fan what do I know? It amazes me how football professionals rate the guy as they seem to do. He will be found out, I think most Baggie fans already know that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on August 23, 2016, 11:00:19 PM
he needs gone asap.levy must be breathing a 20 million quid sigh of relief,the child is a dud :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Westie on August 23, 2016, 11:44:07 PM
Saido is a total disgrace. He should never, never again wear our shirt. That 'effort' of a penalty was truly terrible; looked like he couldn't care less, 'Oh well, its only Albion and I don't want to be here' sort of attitude. I, for one, will boo him as loud as I can if he turns out for us again. How he can have the nerve to accept his wages I really don't know!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B714LF on August 23, 2016, 11:58:59 PM
I don't think he's a disgrace. As someone already said he's just not that good. The people at the club who think it's not a good idea to take the money on offer are where the problem lies. He doesn't want to be here either!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 24, 2016, 12:00:21 AM
It's astonishing we're turning down £20m bids for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 24, 2016, 12:02:45 AM
He isn't doing it on purpose he just isn't that good. For example he is not as good as Taylor , Hunt or Goodman who were Div 2 players back in the day. He is better than Paul Williams. I am just a fan what do I know? It amazes me how football professionals rate the guy as they seem to do. He will be found out, I think most Baggie fans already know that.
What I would give to have a striker like super Bob these days
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 24, 2016, 12:13:16 AM
I've tried to give him numerous chances over the past few years and kept hoping that he would want to play for us and get back to what he was.

However, gradually, he's worn me down and I hoped and expected to get rid of him on the summer with a quality replacement lined up to come in. It's not happened and we are lumbered with him starting games and hardly contributing going forward let alone goals.

After what I witnessed tonight, I want him out of our club and we be happy to see him not play for us again - he had so many chances yet was so slow, casual (like his penalty) and just not good enough against lowly opposition. He should have won the game on his own for us yet he again failed to score !

The crowd tonight, like myself, seemed to have finally turned and he's getting his come uppence for all his messing about, disrespect and, ultimately, abuse of his own talent.

As the Albion fans sang..........."Get Out Of Our Club".............
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 24, 2016, 12:20:46 AM
Just back from sixfields
He was utter sh1te TBH and I wouldn't give you 20p for him on tonight's performance
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on August 24, 2016, 12:29:00 AM
Just back from sixfields
He was utter sh1te TBH and I wouldn't give you 20p for him on tonight's performance

Same here, disgrace
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 24, 2016, 12:30:32 AM
Just back from sixfields
He was utter sh1te TBH and I wouldn't give you 20p for him on tonight's performance

when was he last any good ?   Palace at home first half maybe ?

No one will pay a reasonable amount for him now unfortunately if they have witnessed his start to the season.

He end up back at Northampton's level in a few years at the rate he's going and it will only be himself to blame.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2016, 01:27:57 AM
I didn't watch the pens, I watched the players and when he missed only rondon & fletch acknowledged him, when the others scored he didn't react, when Mozza missed SB just sat on his haunches and made no reaction. IMHO the rest of squad are not playing with him and he needs to go ASAP

I hate neatly doubt another prem club will buy him now for any more than 10m, he is shot!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on August 24, 2016, 08:15:15 AM
As Ive always said and of course I might be proved wrong in the future but the last 2 years is his true form he just had a purple patch of 10 or 12 games like a lot of players do when he first broke into the team.... Luckily for us thanks to the circus that's English football some mug will still pay us stupid money for him if we do the right thing and sell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 08:18:43 AM
I have backed Saido time and time again, I do think some criticism has been over the top but last night was the final straw, he has got to go. Cost us the first goal as he let their man run straight past him for the short corner and made no attempt to chase him. As for the penalty the less said the better, how a professional footballer who is apparently worth over £20m can miss the target from 12 yards is incredible.

The club need to make sure we bring in a suitable replacement and ship him out ASAP, otherwise The Hawthorns will become toxic over the next few months with Saido in the team and most likely with Tactics Tony in the dugout.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 24, 2016, 08:18:57 AM
I can't see the point in hanging on to him in all honesty.
Even if we don't replace him we won't be loosing anything as he offers nothing to the team.
We should have let Stoke have him for the reported £20m if true
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 24, 2016, 08:38:38 AM
Got to go. He's not worth £20m if he came with £10m stuffed in a briefcase included. Have to sell and quick. Have absolutely no doubt he'll crumble under a high price tag and in two three years he won't be seen again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 08:38:40 AM
I still think in a team that wants to play the game we all love he will excel. He doesnt want to be here.I blame JP for this current situation with him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 24, 2016, 08:52:41 AM
He made a point of not playing for the club whilst JP is here and I think he has kept to his word.

I hand on heart believe he put his penalty wide on purpose. You see him uploading videos on social media of him at 'finishing' camps and hes always hitting the goal, hitting the target, scoring, yet the lad has managed to miss his last 3 pens.

He doesnt want to be here and I cant for the life of me understand why we continue to keep him, as he doesnt even offer anything to us on the pitch.

Would much rather see Leko play.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 24, 2016, 09:08:20 AM
He'll never be any good. He never really was, a good 6 months-a year for a 22/23 year old who come on the scene at 17 is awful. He had problems with every club he went to on loan as well.

I hope he never plays again for the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 09:29:47 AM
He made a point of not playing for the club whilst JP is here and I think he has kept to his word.

I hand on heart believe he put his penalty wide on purpose. You see him uploading videos on social media of him at 'finishing' camps and hes always hitting the goal, hitting the target, scoring, yet the lad has managed to miss his last 3 pens.

He doesnt want to be here and I cant for the life of me understand why we continue to keep him, as he doesnt even offer anything to us on the pitch.

Would much rather see Leko play.


very true indeed
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 24, 2016, 09:40:54 AM
He looked dire last night, couldn't finish his dinner.

Penalty was awful, cost us with poor marking and not being fussed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on August 24, 2016, 09:53:17 AM
He has never wanted us in the last two years, so how ironic that its us that don't want him anymore? The worm has now turned,get him out the club as there's nothing to lose
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 24, 2016, 10:54:12 AM
without defending him in any way at all...

the team is made up of 11 players (and subs), i didn't see ANYONE in the squad that looked like a premiership player last night, saido AND a few others are playing VERY poor recently...

If you forget about saido and watch the team as an whole he fits in well, he doesnt stand out for being so poor which can only mean the whole squad are in the same form (maybe its the training they are getting and tactics being used by pulis)?

BUT as for people slating him for missing penalties, (and before the same few guys start jumping down my throat crying at my honest opinion - i also believe a professional footballer should be hitting the target EVERYTIME from the penalty spot) but aguero missed 2 in one game, its just the pressure more than how good you are, doesn't make you a sh!t player cause you miss a penalty.

Still dont change the fact he's been urine poor for us for a while i know... but you cant say he's not trying just because you dont like him, i have a few connections close to the club and 2 relatives that work at the club (yes they think he's a little sh!t like most do) but they have all credited him for his change in attidude on a personal level and praised his effort with extra training sessions.

Like i say, not defending the kid at all but i think in the right team where he's happy... he does have real potential to do well. But he's young, hungry and wants to be scoring goals... that and Mr. Pulis doesn't go well.



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on August 24, 2016, 11:04:08 AM
I agree with adamw post!

Like a lot of things at the club, the Saido situation is up in the air and needs sorting.

All the stuff he has or hasnt done has been done to death, i think last season a lot of the time he couldnt be bothered, was unfit and deserved the stick he got to a point.

However this season he is clearly fitter, he is trying his best, probably too hard if anything but he just isnt playing very well, it happens to all players.

As an ex striker (nowhere near prem level) i would 99% guarentee Saido would of been desperate to score at least one of those chances last night, then missing the penalty, it will of bugged him and it becomes a bigger issue, you want your first goal to get you up and running.

At the moment i think his confidence is shot to pieces, that all its not down to his attitude. If Pulis remains then i think Saido should probably go, i dont think how we play suits him and think as a player he has got worse.

However with a different coach i think he would be worth another chance, try and get him to sign a new deal, get the bond back with the fans, put a release clause in his contract for a 'top club' if he has a great season then he gets his move and we get big money, if he is rubbish we would still get a decent fee for him as he will be coming upto his mid 20's and someone would take the chance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2016, 11:10:18 AM
Last two posts about sum it all up really.

We all know that eventually SB will go to a club that will play to his strengths and he will become a better player, and we have the chance to ruefully look back at a golden opportunity missed due to bad management.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 24, 2016, 11:10:54 AM
I agree with adamw post!

Like a lot of things at the club, the Saido situation is up in the air and needs sorting.

All the stuff he has or hasnt done has been done to death, i think last season a lot of the time he couldnt be bothered, was unfit and deserved the stick he got to a point.

However this season he is clearly fitter, he is trying his best, probably too hard if anything but he just isnt playing very well, it happens to all players.

As an ex striker (nowhere near prem level) i would 99% guarentee Saido would of been desperate to score at least one of those chances last night, then missing the penalty miss, it will of bugged him and it becomes a bigger issue, you want your first goal to get you up and running.

At the moment i think his confidence is shot to pieces, that all its not down to his attitude. If Pulis remains then i think Saido should probably go, i dont think how we play suits him and think as a player he has got worse.

However with a different coach i think he would be worth another chance, try and get him to sign a new deal, get the bond back with the fans, put a release clause in his contract for a 'top club' if he has a great season then he gets his move and we get big money, if he is rubbish we would still get a decent fee for him as he will be coming upto his mid 20's and someone would take the chance.

Don't think it helps when your coach is not playing to your strengths either, which is the problem weve had with ideye and rondon (to some extent), they prefer running onto balls, not waiting for them to be hoofed over from olsson at the other end of the pitch (especially with saidos height, not really in his favour is it)

Id say he should be dropped til he earns his place in his squad (for the rest of his time here) but if we go by that way of thinking we would be fielding our u21 side every urine!ng week!

Facts are the majority of our fans hate the kid and want him gone, like yourself as an ex striker i feel for the kid (in terms of football, i know he hasnt done himself any favours), but for me pulis is damaging our club more than saido is.

Were short on strikers as it is, we only have rondon that's happy to be here AND playing decent, losing saido would mean we need atleast 2 more strikers...were struggling to get anyone at all in never mind 2 in the same position.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on August 24, 2016, 11:21:32 AM
We seemed the weekend to be playing him in that 'number 10' role and he just isnt the right player for that.

There was enough proof in the past to show he is a goalscorer, he did it out on loan, he did it for England youth and under 21's and he did it for us for a bit.

The last season / 18 months havent been as productive for a number of reasons but one being he is played out of position. I dont think he is a great player, but he has a goalscorers instinct, get him in and around the box and he will score, yes he missed chances last night but at least he was getting the position to miss them, the worry is when you dont even get chances which is what happened a lot with him last season, probably a combination of how we play and also his own fitness / approach.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2016, 11:29:26 AM
I watched the match last night and his movement was poor, his running off the ball was slow and predictable, he doesn't find space and has bad body language when the ball isn't played into him.
I agree his confidence is shot, but I also think he is very much an "outsider within" the squad.

We would all want him to succeed as thats good for the club, but, I do not see how that can be achieved now. He needs to go & we need him to go.

We certainly cannot carry 2 forwards who are not contributing (Lamb & Saido).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 11:31:44 AM
This is an observation rather than a dig before anyone says anything... but Saido's terrible form has coincided with Pulis being Head Coach, has it not? He performed extremely well under Alan Irvine.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on August 24, 2016, 11:41:43 AM
This is an observation rather than a dig before anyone says anything... but Saido's terrible form has coincided with Pulis being Head Coach, has it not? He performed extremely well under Alan Irvine.
yes, I've thought the same thought. I think it's a mixture of that and a bad reaction to the whole transfer saga with Spurs, which I don't think he has truly come to terms with (the transfer not happening, I mean).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie82 on August 24, 2016, 11:43:54 AM
Correct Lloydy.

Pulis kept Berahino on the bench for most of last season and then played him as the link man which is an impossible job given the team shape. Messi couldn't link our slow midfield sitting on top of a back four with a striker isolated at the other end of the pitch - who incidentally has a very poor touch and awareness himself.

Hence Berahino was either not playing or played out of positon. No real opportunity to play upfront regularly as he did under Irvine as Rondon is only designated attacker. Remember that goal at home against Utd in the 2-2 draw under Irvine? The ball through the middle, the perfectly timed run and deadly finish past De Gea? Couldn't happen now as he is shouted at to sit in front of Yacob and Fletcher.

Same so far this season. Berahino needs to leave for the good of his own career to a team that will play him as a striker on a regular basis. When that happens expect the goals to flow as he a good finisher with either foot as we have seen in the past.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 24, 2016, 11:45:19 AM
I keep hearing about Saido's strengths and playing to them.
Can somebody enlighten me as to what they are please?
His first touch is poor, he can't beat a man, he can't head a ball, he's missed his last 3 penalties, he 's poor in one on one situations, his movement is poor.
I fear the one good season where he was top scorer and got into the England squad is as good as it's going to get for Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2016, 11:46:39 AM
Correct Lloydy.

Pulis kept Berahino on the bench for most of last season and then played him as the link man which is an impossible job given the team shape. Messi couldn't link our slow midfield sitting on top of a back four with a striker isolated at the other end of the pitch - who incidentally has a very poor touch and awareness himself.

Hence Berahino was either not playing or played out of positon. No real opportunity to play upfront regularly as he did under Irvine as Rondon is only designated attacker. Remember that goal at home against Utd in the 2-2 draw under Irvine? The ball through the middle, the perfectly timed run and deadly finish past De Gea? Couldn't happen now as he is shouted at to sit in front of Yacob and Fletcher.

Same so far this season. Berahino needs to leave for the good of his own career to a team that will play him as a striker on a regular basis. When that happens expect the goals to flow as he a good finisher with either foot as we have seen in the past.

He certainly is not finishing at the moment, he should have taken at least 2 chances last night.
it may come back but not in the stripes!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 24, 2016, 11:52:15 AM
I keep hearing about Saido's strengths and playing to them.
Can somebody enlighten me as to what they are please?
His first touch is poor, he can't beat a man, he can't head a ball, he's missed his last 3 penalties, he 's poor in one on one situations, his movement is poor.
I fear the one good season where he was top scorer and got into the England squad is as good as it's going to get for Saido.

Good post.

His heading for a forward is quite frankly embarrasing. He's not quick enough to beat a bloke , and finishing extremely of late has been terrible. Last night prime example.

I've watched that header from Palace a few times, no idea what he's doing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 11:57:40 AM
Tony has coached any potential out of him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 24, 2016, 11:58:54 AM
I keep hearing about Saido's strengths and playing to them.
Can somebody enlighten me as to what they are please?
His first touch is poor, he can't beat a man, he can't head a ball, he's missed his last 3 penalties, he 's poor in one on one situations, his movement is poor.
I fear the one good season where he was top scorer and got into the England squad is as good as it's going to get for Saido.

Spot on. His strength as I saw it when he first burst onto the scene was his finishing, but that has been dreadful of late.

He has never had much pace, never had particularly good close control, cannot header to save his life, can no longer take a penalty. I don't see anything in him any longer. Just get him sold, worry about a 'replacement' later.

I say replacement like that because we wouldn't actually need to replace someone who has contributed the sum total of nothing for 18 months, we just need to strengthen generally.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2016, 12:00:31 PM
I keep hearing about Saido's strengths and playing to them.
Can somebody enlighten me as to what they are please?
His first touch is poor, he can't beat a man, he can't head a ball, he's missed his last 3 penalties, he 's poor in one on one situations, his movement is poor.
I fear the one good season where he was top scorer and got into the England squad is as good as it's going to get for Saido.

For me his strengths are/were running onto a through ball and hitting the target, I personally also like the way he can hassle defenders and he has an eye for a misplaced back pass; he anticipates a free offering. He is an out and out number 9 for me. However, he is being asked to play deeper and when he is up front guess what? no supply. 

Do you remember those balls fed through to the likes of Mr Sneekes all those years ago? Where are they now? Both him and Rondon would clean up if only we could supply them........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2016, 12:01:29 PM
Tony has coached any potential out of him

Spot on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 24, 2016, 12:03:58 PM
Tony has coached any potential out of him

Absolute nonsense. He's a spoilt little brat. If anything Pulis done well to get him back in the team. He's got himself to blame.

You can't just blame Pulis for everything that goes wrong in life.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 12:10:59 PM
Absolute nonsense. He's a spoilt little brat. If anything Pulis done well to get him back in the team. He's got himself to blame.

You can't just blame Pulis for everything that goes wrong in life.

No you can't blame Pulis for everything and Saido is far from innocent, but there is a correlation between Pulis' arrival and Saido's form dropping so in my opinion it is worth debating?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies_24 on August 24, 2016, 12:16:03 PM
Absolute nonsense. He's a spoilt little brat. If anything Pulis done well to get him back in the team. He's got himself to blame.

You can't just blame Pulis for everything that goes wrong in life.

It's both to be honest with you, he's done himself no favours by been a spoilt git and throwing a strop for the past 12 months but make no mistake Pulis has also stunted his growth. Saido's best position is using him as a striker infront of goal and in the box and he's currently been used as a defensive midfielder. He doesn't have the vision or touch to play in behind the striker, he's probably the most natural goal scorer iv seen up the Albion and he's been completely wasted which is both his own fault & Pulis's.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on August 24, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
No you can't blame Pulis for everything and Saido is far from innocent, but there is a correlation between Pulis' arrival and Saido's form dropping so in my opinion it is worth debating?
Let's face it he is not the brightest is he? So to ask him to play out of position is ridiculous, he's not intelligent enough (in a football sense). I saw close hand the in game relationship between him and Pulis on Staurday and it was just bizarre. Pulis never stopped "Saido", "Saido" do this, do that, track this, go there. At least 3 times he turned to the bench and shrugged his shoulders having no idea what was being asked of him. The lad just looked shot!
I'm not defending him, I think he's a knob, but if we going to play him, we have to let him do what he is good at.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 24, 2016, 01:04:10 PM
You don't think he missed his penalty deliberately do you?  :o

I can easily imagine a scenario where he outlast work 'aaaard Tone and even helps him on his way and then comes good under a proper coach/manager and signs a new contract!

Sorry for the conspiracy theory but the waiting for something good and positive to happen is killing me  :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on August 24, 2016, 01:08:32 PM
I keep hearing about Saido's strengths and playing to them.
Can somebody enlighten me as to what they are please?
His first touch is poor, he can't beat a man, he can't head a ball, he's missed his last 3 penalties, he 's poor in one on one situations, his movement is poor.
I fear the one good season where he was top scorer and got into the England squad is as good as it's going to get for Saido.

Keep that quiet as we still need to mug someone of 25 million for him !!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 24, 2016, 01:13:35 PM
Don't think he deliberately missed but like against Watford he's not bothered if he scores or not. Gone from not missing a penalty to missing his last 3..Hmm maybe it is deliberate after all?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 24, 2016, 01:18:44 PM
The guy has gone downhill badly since the start of last season.....for me it shows how unprofessional he is

He should be knuckling down getting as fit as he can and scoring his chances to make it hard for clubs to not want him

instead he is looking disinterested, couldn't hit a cows backside from 6 yards and scouts from clubs will see that and report that back making it hard to get rid of him now..

he will stay for the season no doubt or maybe Jan but he if goes next summer out of contract expect around 15m which for me would be a tremendous amount based on what we are seeing from him these days
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 24, 2016, 01:55:00 PM
Good post.

His heading for a forward is quite frankly embarrasing. He's not quick enough to beat a bloke , and finishing extremely of late has been terrible. Last night prime example.

I've watched that header from Palace a few times, no idea what he's doing

Heading for a finisher is poor? So was Thierry Henry's but look at what he done for arsenal.

Feels like people are moaning for the smallest things, fair enough if you don't like the kid but he's a very young lad, relatively new to it in terms of experience and obviously hasn't had his head screwed on... what you expecting the finished article at 23 years of age?
Finishing is not really worth judging, he's been played out of position buy a negative, defensive coach with a poor midfield... he's pretty much gotta track back, win the ball, take on the opposite team and create his own chances the way we play...
Hoofing the ball to a guy who's shorter than most defenses is only going to end one way... common sense.

Not sticking up for the kid but some people really are sounding clueless about football... anything to have a dig at players they dislike.

When he's played to his strengths has chance after chance each game in a role HE is comfortable with... then his football can be critisised, not just cause his heading was poor and he missed a few penalties... the best strikers in the world miss penalties and don't have the best heading record.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2016, 01:58:32 PM
Heading for a finisher is poor? So was Thierry Henry's but look at what he done for arsenal.

Feels like people are moaning for the smallest things, fair enough if you don't like the kid but he's a very young lad, relatively new to it in terms of experience and obviously hasn't had his head screwed on... what you expecting the finished article at 23 years of age?
Finishing is not really worth judging, he's been played out of position buy a negative, defensive coach with a poor midfield... he's pretty much gotta track back, win the ball, take on the opposite team and create his own chances the way we play...
Hoofing the ball to a guy who's shorter than most defenses is only going to end one way... common sense.

Not sticking up for the kid but some people really are sounding clueless about football... anything to have a dig at players they dislike.

When he's played to his strengths has chance after chance each game in a role HE is comfortable with... then his football can be critisised, not just cause his heading was poor and he missed a few penalties... the best strikers in the world miss penalties and don't have the best heading record.

Saido tracking back, winning the ball, in what dream was that ?

Yes he's not in his best position I accept but not his complete lack of effort.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 24, 2016, 01:59:27 PM
Heading for a finisher is poor? So was Thierry Henry's but look at what he done for arsenal.

Feels like people are moaning for the smallest things, fair enough if you don't like the kid but he's a very young lad, relatively new to it in terms of experience and obviously hasn't had his head screwed on... what you expecting the finished article at 23 years of age?
Finishing is not really worth judging, he's been played out of position buy a negative, defensive coach with a poor midfield... he's pretty much gotta track back, win the ball, take on the opposite team and create his own chances the way we play...
Hoofing the ball to a guy who's shorter than most defenses is only going to end one way... common sense.

Not sticking up for the kid but some people really are sounding clueless about football... anything to have a dig at players they dislike.

When he's played to his strengths has chance after chance each game in a role HE is comfortable with... then his football can be critisised, not just cause his heading was poor and he missed a few penalties... the best strikers in the world miss penalties and don't have the best heading record.

Let's not even mention Henry in the same post as Berahino shall we?  :o

Finishing is there to be judged. He get's paid to score goals. Last night his finishing was poor,plus there's having a penalty saved, but to not hit the target by some way is completely different.

You've mentioned 'he's fairly new to it' what a load of sh*te, he's been around long enough now. He's not just breaking through is he.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 24, 2016, 02:01:22 PM
Saido tracking back, winning the ball, in what dream was that ?

Yes he's not in his best position I accept but not his complete lack of effort.

Have you read my post properly before jumping at my throat, I never said he has tracked back.

I simply said that's what he would need to do to create chances, same as Rondon and any other striker we play  with the way we set up.

Our players are scared of short passing and running forward with the ball. It's hoof it or nothing which is ridiculous when you have a striker of Saidos height.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 24, 2016, 02:03:39 PM
Berahino will be judged on his goalscoring plain and simple thats what all strikers are judged on

Henry wasnt the best with his head no, but he worked for the team, gave his all, and scored pretty much 25-30+ goals a season and won pretty much everything you can win so its hardly the greatest comparison with a lad who doesnt score that many apart from one good season, gets caught up in controversy all the time. looks disinterested in playing for us even though we pay his wages and wants out of the club that has given him his chance and stuck by him through all the controversy

Please don't compare Berahino with Henry its like comparing me with Ronaldo
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 24, 2016, 02:05:36 PM
Let's not even mention Henry in the same post as Berahino shall we?  :o

Finishing is there to be judged. He get's paid to score goals. Last night his finishing was poor,plus there's having a penalty saved, but to not hit the target by some way is completely different.

You've mentioned 'he's fairly new to it' what a load of sh*te, he's been around long enough now. He's not just breaking through is he.

Im entitled to compare him to who I like, you can't judge a striker on his heading when there are plenty of strikers who are of high quality but can't head a ball.

All our strikers are paid to score goals, yet our defenders tend to score as much as our strikers. 

The KID is 23 years old, so yes he is new to it...people talk about he don't get on with the squad, EVERY game I've seen Olsson play, he's had an argument with someone from our club.

Like I say, the people that dislike him like yourself will Salk over the most petty things when our REAL problem is obviously the coaching etc.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2016, 02:07:24 PM
Have you read my post properly before jumping at my throat, I never said he has tracked back.

I simply said that's what he would need to do to create chances, same as Rondon and any other striker we play  with the way we set up.

Our players are scared of short passing and running forward with the ball. It's hoof it or nothing which is ridiculous when you have a striker of Saidos height.

you did say "thats pretty much what he's got to do" to justify why he isn't scoring. If you think he will ever do that, then IMO you are dreaming. Conversely I can imagine Rondon doing it.
oh and by the way Saido had a number of chances last night and fluffed them all,  none of which as i recall it, were engineered by himself incidentally

Anyway, I apologise for being sharp.  COYB
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on August 24, 2016, 02:09:01 PM
Im entitled to compare him to who I like, you can't judge a striker on his heading when there are plenty of strikers who are of high quality but can't head a ball.

All our strikers are paid to score goals, yet our defenders tend to score as much as our strikers. 

The KID is 23 years old, so yes he is new to it...people talk about he don't get on with the squad, EVERY game I've seen Olsson play, he's had an argument with someone from our club.

Like I say, the people that dislike him like yourself will Salk over the most petty things when our REAL problem is obviously the coaching etc.

He's played nearly 100 games in the premier league, he's not new to it at all
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 24, 2016, 02:11:03 PM
Im entitled to compare him to who I like, you can't judge a striker on his heading when there are plenty of strikers who are of high quality but can't head a ball.

All our strikers are paid to score goals, yet our defenders tend to score as much as our strikers. 

The KID is 23 years old, so yes he is new to it...people talk about he don't get on with the squad, EVERY game I've seen Olsson play, he's had an argument with someone from our club.

Like I say, the people that dislike him like yourself will Salk over the most petty things when our REAL problem is obviously the coaching etc.

Making poor excuses for a KID of 23 years old....he isn't a kid he is an adult and has played nearly 150 games so isn't new to anything

You might be entitled to compare him to someone but people are entitled to question your comparisons

You cannot compare Berahino with Henry I'm sorry, you are better off comparing him with his peers not former world class strikers who have won everything, played at the very top and given their all for their respective clubs and have ended up with records at clubs
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2016, 02:12:12 PM
Harry Kane is a good comparison - enough said !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 24, 2016, 02:15:43 PM
you did say "thats pretty much what he's got to do" to justify why he isn't scoring. If you think he will ever do that, then IMO you are dreaming. Conversely I can imagine Rondon doing it.
oh and by the way Saido had a number of chances last night and fluffed them all,  none of which as i recall it, were engineered by himself incidentally

Anyway, I apologise for being sharp.  COYB

With no disrespect to Rondon, I really do like the guy but I still can't see him tracking back winning the ball and taking it the other end and scoring.  Which is not his fault he's our striker we should have the midfield to do that for him... but the same applies for Saido, we're playing him in a position he's not comfortable with which has a nock on effect which don't justify it but it will have an effect on his confidence and scoring.

But most people on here (not aiming it at you) will ignore that and do anything to put the blame on him for everything. Pretty embarrasing really.

Would be interesting to see what he would be like with a different coach in charge who plays actual football... like someone else pointed out he played decent enough under Irvine.... but unfortunately for most people on here it's looking like he's going to be here for ATLEAST this season due to lack of faces coming in.

For his time here I will continue to get behind him (the same as every player at our club), as much as I can't stand a select few and think them playing in the premiership is ridiculous... I refuse to cry over something I have no say in. It is what it is.. he's a west bromwich albion player regardless who does and does not like it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 24, 2016, 02:19:10 PM
Making poor excuses for a KID of 23 years old....he isn't a kid he is an adult and has played nearly 150 games so isn't new to anything

You might be entitled to compare him to someone but people are entitled to question your comparisons

You cannot compare Berahino with Henry I'm sorry, you are better off comparing him with his peers not former world class strikers who have won everything, played at the very top and given their all for their respective clubs and have ended up with records at clubs

If you read through the thread, you will see me clearly state multiple times that I'm not defending nor making excuses for him.... but I will be realistic and will not jump on the 'I hate Saido' bandwagon.

He's been a complete tool off the pitch, had a decent season with us on it, been in poor form and yes should of put away a lot of his chances... doesn't mean we all have to Salk over it, there are bigger problems at out club than Saido. 

Which some fail to realise.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 24, 2016, 02:30:19 PM
I don't agree sorry

We wouldnt need to be in the market for a striker if he played the way he can so there is one of the main problems at the club gone if he acted professionally.

you are making excuses for him, just by typing "I'm not making excuses for him" doesnt negate the fact that you are then making excuses for him in the rest of your posts
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 24, 2016, 02:36:44 PM
I don't agree sorry

We wouldnt need to be in the market for a striker if he played the way he can so there is one of the main problems at the club gone if he acted professionally.

you are making excuses for him, just by typing "I'm not making excuses for him" doesnt negate the fact that you are then making excuses for him in the rest of your posts

So you really think with us playing 2 strikers, if he was playing well we wouldn't need another striker?
What if him or Rondon get injured? We got rid of Vic not replaced him yet and lambert ain't doing himself any favours... it's clear as day we need more strikers even if he was to stay.

I know if I'm making excuses or not, me personally I think he's acted like a complete cock but the state the club is in and the way we play is NOT his fault regardless if people on here think it is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 24, 2016, 02:37:45 PM
Harry Kane is a good comparison - enough said !

Doubt he would look the same player if he were in our squad the way we play
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2016, 02:39:55 PM
Doubt he would look the same player if he were in our squad the way we play

I too doubt he would be the same player, i do think he would put the effort in and chase / harrass defenders and be more of a contributor to the team though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 24, 2016, 02:48:38 PM
I too doubt he would be the same player, i do think he would put the effort in and chase / harrass defenders and be more of a contributor to the team though.

Would probably chase more I agree, so would people like vardy who doesn't stop running all game... but when the rest of the squad are hoofing the ball constantly your pretty limited to what you can do
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiesboots on August 24, 2016, 02:59:28 PM
Would probably chase more I agree, so would people like vardy who doesn't stop running all game... but when the rest of the squad are hoofing the ball constantly your pretty limited to what you can do

That sums up what we've become over the last few seasons, Berahino used to have bags of raw talent, but due to poor managerial appointments, and a extremely poor player recruitment department,were now stuck with just another average player on our books. He'll just end up going somewhere else and look like the player he should be with us right now.
Shame.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on August 24, 2016, 03:01:55 PM
I said somewhere in this thread 2 years or so ago the lad was overrated, and i stick by that.

A purple patch got him the England call, he will never get that again IMO.

I cant think of anyone in this league more overrated/overvalued than him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 24, 2016, 03:02:30 PM
So you really think with us playing 2 strikers, if he was playing well we wouldn't need another striker?
What if him or Rondon get injured? We got rid of Vic not replaced him yet and lambert ain't doing himself any favours... it's clear as day we need more strikers even if he was to stay.

I know if I'm making excuses or not, me personally I think he's acted like a complete cock but the state the club is in and the way we play is NOT his fault regardless if people on here think it is.

We wouldnt be looking as hard no...we are looking for replacements hence the reason we haven't gotten rid of him yet

we should get 10 strikers in then just incase they all get injured
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 24, 2016, 03:08:01 PM
We wouldnt be looking as hard no...we are looking for replacements hence the reason we haven't gotten rid of him yet

we should get 10 strikers in then just incase they all get injured

Sarcasm, you have to love it.
Is it not common sense to have atleast 3 strikers if your playing 2 strikers upfront every game?
Yes, replacement for Vic... it's nothing to do with Saido it's simply the fact we are VERY limited upfront as it is regardless if he stays or goes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 24, 2016, 03:18:17 PM
Sarcasm, you have to love it.
Is it not common sense to have atleast 3 strikers if your playing 2 strikers upfront every game?
Yes, replacement for Vic... it's nothing to do with Saido it's simply the fact we are VERY limited upfront as it is regardless if he stays or goes

I agree but Rondon, Bera, Lambert, Leko and Phillips are all capable of playing as a forward....not saying they are all good enough to play there but they can

Lambert should have been released along with Vic or sold cheaply

I agree we need another decent striker but when he comes in I expect them to replace an outgoing Berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on August 24, 2016, 03:22:01 PM
Sarcasm, you have to love it.
Is it not common sense to have atleast 3 strikers if your playing 2 strikers upfront every game?
Yes, replacement for Vic... it's nothing to do with Saido it's simply the fact we are VERY limited upfront as it is regardless if he stays or goes
We aren't playing 2 strikers up front though, we are playing 1 up front (Rondon who's pretty much in a different postcode) and 1 in midfield (Saido, who looks as uncomfortable as hell). So I agree, it's not all his fault, far from it. He is however a massive bell end!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 24, 2016, 03:22:58 PM
I've said before we should have got rid of Berahino as soon as Stoke offered £20m or whatever the exact figure.
IMO we could get rid of him now without worrying about a replacement as we will not miss what he's offered to the team for the last 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 24, 2016, 03:24:12 PM
I agree but Rondon, Bera, Lambert, Leko and Phillips are all capable of playing as a forward....not saying they are all good enough to play there but they can

Lambert should have been released along with Vic or sold cheaply

I agree we need another decent striker but when he comes in I expect them to replace an outgoing Berahino

But if for example we get X as our new striker and let Saido go, we still only have Rondon and X as our strikers... phillips is needed on the wing and that's where it looks like Leko is favoured ... playing those upfront then brings us issues on the wings which makes no sense whatsoever .... with saying that, is what we will probably witness when and if it happens. 

Still feel we need atleast 1 more striker and 2 if Saido is going.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 24, 2016, 03:26:00 PM
Not sure I agree with Saido becoming a distant player since Pulis arrived, I think players change when they get into the under 21 squad and start mixing with others from other clubs and Saido started having issues before Pulis came and has continued ever since, it was only days after Pulis came when Saido was being pulled up over not celebrating his goals against Gateshead.

The problem seems to me to be with the player and whilst Pulis may not have dealt with him the right way players have a responsiblity to control themselves as well.

You can blame Pulis for many things but not all. The player himself has a history, was it Brentford he was sent back from ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 24, 2016, 03:26:12 PM
We aren't playing 2 strikers up front though, we are playing 1 up front (Rondon who's pretty much in a different postcode) and 1 in midfield (Saido, who looks as uncomfortable as hell). So I agree, it's not all his fault, far from it. He is however a massive bell end!

But what I'm saying is were still playing 2 strikers... if that's how pulis wants to work, regardless of where he is playing them we are short on strikers. But could not agree more with the rest of your post.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie82 on August 24, 2016, 04:06:20 PM
I think most of us can agree that Berahino isn't a very good defensive midfielder which is his primary role in the starting eleven. Only Rondon is an attacking outlet. Everybody else has an oath to sit in front of Foster and defend until they collapse. Meanwhile the crowd lapse into unconsciousness at the boredom of it all and in the silence the irritating screams of Pulis ordering the players to run and track back are deafening. Hence the sarcastic chants when we manage a shot. At home the fans aren't going to put up with it for much longer and the players are also losing faith. Hence the mass of gloomy expressions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2016, 05:01:21 PM
Not sure I agree with Saido becoming a distant player since Pulis arrived, I think players change when they get into the under 21 squad and start mixing with others from other clubs and Saido started having issues before Pulis came and has continued ever since, it was only days after Pulis came when Saido was being pulled up over not celebrating his goals against Gateshead.

The problem seems to me to be with the player and whilst Pulis may not have dealt with him the right way players have a responsiblity to control themselves as well.

You can blame Pulis for many things but not all. The player himself has a history, was it Brentford he was sent back from ?

ytes to Brentford an also p'boro i think
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 24, 2016, 06:35:43 PM
The true issues with Saido merely coincide with Pulis' reign, they are directly linked to his England call-up, subsequent interest from Spurs and his own B£llendery ever since.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 24, 2016, 06:47:51 PM
Like Odemwingie, someone who promised much, believed their own press, disappeared up their ar$e.

Bloody shame, but game over, he's done.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 24, 2016, 07:05:47 PM
Like Odemwingie, someone who promised much, believed their own press, disappeared up their ar$e.

Bloody shame, but game over, he's done.

What? Odemwingie had a stellar career, with a big money move to Russia, where we were only able to sign him due to institutionalised racism. He's captained his country, scored CL goals and appeared at World Cups.

Berahino isn't fit to lace up Peter Odemwingie's boots.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: rajesh-wba on August 24, 2016, 07:10:17 PM
Looking back we were so lucky to have Odemwingie. Oh for the days of a front four of Gera, Long, Brunt and Odemwingie. Fluid, inventive and technically sound.

Back on Saido- I'd happily accept around £22m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 24, 2016, 09:47:45 PM
Odemwingie and Berahino are both petulant idiots, but yeah at least Odemwingie had consistently proved himself. Berahino gives it the Billy Big Bo**ocks with nothing much to show for it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on August 24, 2016, 10:22:11 PM
Certainly some harsh words tonight! Unfortunately he's just a kid....albeit a little thin between the ears. He doesn't appear to have any indearing qualities or charisma which obviously makes him an unlikable character. He has an arrogance that is sadly misplaced....something more akin to a world-beater. There's been so much love and faith placed in him by the fans....craving for him to reciprocate the adoration. Unfortunately, after so many years of hard work by all of the coaching staff, management and all elements of the club staff, we're now left with a technically good player but nobody who'll ever amount to much. I would be thrilled if he could turn it around and make history for WBA over the next few seasons.....sadly history is probably all we'll associate him with.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 24, 2016, 10:26:23 PM
What? Odemwingie had a stellar career, with a big money move to Russia, where we were only able to sign him due to institutionalised racism. He's captained his country, scored CL goals and appeared at World Cups.

Berahino isn't fit to lace up Peter Odemwingie's boots.

Oh so true. Odemwingie wanted one final pay day at his age. Berahino is just a jumped up little pooh.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 25, 2016, 04:18:50 AM
Berahino progression as a footballer has stalled under our current head coach. He has handled aspects of it badly and alienated many supporters because of this. Personally, I have some sympathy, football is all about being in the right place at the right time. Under a different coach would he have progressed? Crystal ball time; but Berahino under Pulis was wrong place wrong time and we've all suffered for it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 25, 2016, 09:29:20 AM
Mark Hughes..

"There has been a lot of work done on this trying to sign this player [Saido Berahino] and at some point you have to make a decision on what you really want, I'm not sure if this is over yet though."

From today.
http://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 25, 2016, 09:30:36 AM
Mark Hughes..

"There has been a lot of work done on this trying to sign this player [Saido Berahino] and at some point you have to make a decision on what you really want, I'm not sure if this is over yet though."

From today.
http://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre

We've done well to keep them on the hook for this long. Had I been Stoke, regardless of his ability, I'd have told us to get stuffed by now for dragging it out.

Just please for the love of all things holy sell him and thank your lucky stars you got £20m for a busted flush.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Xpresso on August 25, 2016, 09:49:29 AM
Can't see the point of keeping him, even if we don't manage to sign another striker. The way he's playing at the moment we'll be lucky to get one goal out of him this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 25, 2016, 10:42:42 AM
Has he gone yet?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 25, 2016, 11:13:35 AM
Has he gone yet?

whilst we are desperate for new signings? dont hold your breath
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 25, 2016, 11:13:56 AM
Has he gone yet?

Who?  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 25, 2016, 11:20:20 AM
Certainly some harsh words tonight! Unfortunately he's just a kid....albeit a little thin between the ears. He doesn't appear to have any indearing qualities or charisma which obviously makes him an unlikable character. He has an arrogance that is sadly misplaced....something more akin to a world-beater. There's been so much love and faith placed in him by the fans....craving for him to reciprocate the adoration. Unfortunately, after so many years of hard work by all of the coaching staff, management and all elements of the club staff, we're now left with a technically good player but nobody who'll ever amount to much. I would be thrilled if he could turn it around and make history for WBA over the next few seasons.....sadly history is probably all we'll associate him with.

Sorry, I dont buy the whole hes a kid thing. The lad is 23, he needs to grow up and be a man.
Many players had achieved more than him at this age, hes similar age to Kane and 2 years ago many would argue he was ahead of Kane.

I dont and wont believe this whole ahh but hes only a kid malarky, hes old enough to know how to act, hes been in a good acadamy since he was a kid, and will have been around adults and professionals from the age of at least 15-16, hes been out on loan to professional clubs and hes had over 100 games in the premier league, the lad should know how to conduct himself by now. Hes attitude (and I agree that the club need to hold their hands up with the whole situation) is awful, numerous times hes been in the press for doing things badly outside of football.

We as a club have stuck by him through some bad press and for whatever reason he has remained a WBA player. For me the club need to wash their hands with him, I would never want to see anyone waste their talent, but that talent isnt going to be seen here, he doesnt want to be here, his heart has been set on a move for near on 2 years now, the club need to just cut ties with him and move him on, keeping him in the starting 11 is benefiting nobody.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 25, 2016, 11:46:28 AM
Sorry, I dont buy the whole hes a kid thing. The lad is 23, he needs to grow up and be a man.
Many players had achieved more than him at this age, hes similar age to Kane and 2 years ago many would argue he was ahead of Kane.

I dont and wont believe this whole ahh but hes only a kid malarky, hes old enough to know how to act, hes been in a good acadamy since he was a kid, and will have been around adults and professionals from the age of at least 15-16, hes been out on loan to professional clubs and hes had over 100 games in the premier league, the lad should know how to conduct himself by now. Hes attitude (and I agree that the club need to hold their hands up with the whole situation) is awful, numerous times hes been in the press for doing things badly outside of football.

We as a club have stuck by him through some bad press and for whatever reason he has remained a WBA player. For me the club need to wash their hands with him, I would never want to see anyone waste their talent, but that talent isnt going to be seen here, he doesnt want to be here, his heart has been set on a move for near on 2 years now, the club need to just cut ties with him and move him on, keeping him in the starting 11 is benefiting nobody.

There are only 2 people that can be blamed for that,

1) Peace - would not allow him to leave
2) Pulis - puts him in the squad regardless lately

Maybe that has an effect on his attitude?

Since last season the only thing that has happened is the whole snapchat situation which someone on here pointed out that it was being recorded from behind his shoulder so could have been someone else recording it (NO ONE will know exactly how it happened even if some on here think they are mystic meg and know it all)
Apart from that, he's got his head down and put effort in.. yes i agree he's played urine poor so have the rest of the squad, but people are saying he should be growing up he should be realising what he's done...

But since the start of the season he's praised the club on twitter, instagram etc although he does not want to be here, he's had extra training sessions and if he's done anything else stupid (like most people on here probably do) , he's kept it out of the media

But just cause he has not played well in a position he cant play in due to pulis playing him there, we still have a forum full of adults moaning and crying over a 23 year olds past ive witnessed less moaning when my nan has her friends around for a good old nag

He could sign a new contract, score 50 goals per season with us, delete twitter/instagram etc, not be mentioned by media ever again for the next 10 years and some would still be a b!tch about the whole situation.

Personally, i think he's been a complete muppet in terms of off the pitch... worst thing for me is whole drink driving speeding incident a while back im totally against that but people do it and hopefully learn before it harms anyone.

I think its time people just grow up and get over it, you all cry on here saying he needs to grow up but he's at our club regardless what any of us say earning a very good salary, whilst there are grown men on here, some probably without jobs, some with average jobs, some with decent paid jobs... that are spending their free time moaning about a 23 year old....    Makes you wonder who the real immature ones are?  ???

There are players at our club who are far worse than saido even in their natural preferred position... saido is least of our worries in terms of what we need to survive this season.

Before anyone starts jumping down my throat too cause you don't agree with me.... tough sh!t if you dislike my honest opinion  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cidhawk on August 25, 2016, 11:46:44 AM
We have to sell him now, he has lost interest/confidence.  He doesn't want to be here suggest the manager doesn't want him so let's take the money and move on.

I do think he will return to being a goalscorer once he moves but that will just support the argument against Pulis not being able to get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 25, 2016, 11:52:21 AM
It may be one of the reasons that Pulis doesn't want to let him go.
It could show Pulis up to be a very poor manager.
He would have egg on his face.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2016, 11:53:41 AM
Personally I would sell him now regardless. His heart is not with us and he is hardly 'bangin' em in'.

To say that we will only let him go when we have bought another striker is a bit strange. We are not playing him as a striker anyway so its not as though we will miss him. We are not going to get £20m for him at the end of the season [the tribunal fee will probably be a lot less] and his value may be a lot less as he may have only scored 3 goals for us all season.

As I understand it he has been offered the big contract and money he so desperately craves and has turned us down. If he wants to play for a bigger club then fine, he appears to have had a choice between Stoke, Palace and Watford - the right move for a player who no doubt sees himself in the Champions League.

Its at times like this I wish that Albion would just take the risk and get rid........[although I do admire JP for standing up to the spuds last year]
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on August 25, 2016, 12:27:58 PM
Get rid regardless of signing a replacement, at present he is as useless as a chocolate fireguard, nothing to miss or lose,play leko instead
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 25, 2016, 12:28:22 PM
Berahino just a kid?! I'm only a year older than him but would never consider behaving in the manner he has. He's a grown man with the mind of a child.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 25, 2016, 12:39:44 PM
Berahino just a kid?! I'm only a year older than him but would never consider behaving in the manner he has. He's a grown man with the mind of a child.

Spot on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 25, 2016, 12:43:45 PM
There are only 2 people that can be blamed for that,

1) Peace - would not allow him to leave
2) Pulis - puts him in the squad regardless lately

Maybe that has an effect on his attitude?

Since last season the only thing that has happened is the whole snapchat situation which someone on here pointed out that it was being recorded from behind his shoulder so could have been someone else recording it (NO ONE will know exactly how it happened even if some on here think they are mystic meg and know it all)
Apart from that, he's got his head down and put effort in.. yes i agree he's played urine poor so have the rest of the squad, but people are saying he should be growing up he should be realising what he's done...

But since the start of the season he's praised the club on twitter, instagram etc although he does not want to be here, he's had extra training sessions and if he's done anything else stupid (like most people on here probably do) , he's kept it out of the media

But just cause he has not played well in a position he cant play in due to pulis playing him there, we still have a forum full of adults moaning and crying over a 23 year olds past ive witnessed less moaning when my nan has her friends around for a good old nag

He could sign a new contract, score 50 goals per season with us, delete twitter/instagram etc, not be mentioned by media ever again for the next 10 years and some would still be a b!tch about the whole situation.

Personally, i think he's been a complete muppet in terms of off the pitch... worst thing for me is whole drink driving speeding incident a while back im totally against that but people do it and hopefully learn before it harms anyone.

I think its time people just grow up and get over it, you all cry on here saying he needs to grow up but he's at our club regardless what any of us say earning a very good salary, whilst there are grown men on here, some probably without jobs, some with average jobs, some with decent paid jobs... that are spending their free time moaning about a 23 year old....    Makes you wonder who the real immature ones are?  ???

There are players at our club who are far worse than saido even in their natural preferred position... saido is least of our worries in terms of what we need to survive this season.

Before anyone starts jumping down my throat too cause you don't agree with me.... tough sh!t if you dislike my honest opinion  :P

He could sign a new contract, score 50 goals per season with us, delete twitter/instagram etc, not be mentioned by media ever again for the next 10 years and some would still be a b!tch about the whole situation.

frankly thats a bit of a childish rant too! However,

If he did smarten his act up and perform for the club, the fans would embrace him. My god we need something to rally around at the moment. He is "one of our own" he could have become a club legend if he'd kept his focus on footy. I would love to see it happen, but its REALLY the last chance saloon now and I'm not holding my breath.
My opinion and likewise tough ....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 25, 2016, 01:00:37 PM
He could sign a new contract, score 50 goals per season with us, delete twitter/instagram etc, not be mentioned by media ever again for the next 10 years and some would still be a b!tch about the whole situation.

frankly thats a bit of a childish rant too! However,

If he did smarten his act up and perform for the club, the fans would embrace him. My god we need something to rally around at the moment. He is "one of our own" he could have become a club legend if he'd kept his focus on footy. I would love to see it happen, but its REALLY the last chance saloon now and I'm not holding my breath.
My opinion and likewise tough ....

Childish rant? not really... its what some of our 'fans' our like.

and when he was put back in the squad and scored a one or 2 goals... people were still moaning (like some still do with odemwingie)

he didnt do jack pooh against northampton like most of our squad, he never scored his penalty like morisson didnt.... yet he's our worst ever player to hear some speak
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 25, 2016, 01:13:14 PM
Childish rant? not really... its what some of our 'fans' our like.

and when he was put back in the squad and scored a one or 2 goals... people were still moaning (like some still do with odemwingie)

he didnt do jack rubbish against northampton like most of our squad, he never scored his penalty like morisson didnt.... yet he's our worst ever player to hear some speak

I think the gap between "potential and actual" is what grinds peoples gears. Add in a history of "petulance' and people get annoyed, it really isn't surprising.
I think WBA fans are as tolerant as most to be honest. time will tell.

I do admire (not understand) your "loyalty" to him though, I imagine its because he wears the stripes rather than a personal thing, correct?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 25, 2016, 01:19:51 PM
I think the gap between "potential and actual" is what grinds peoples gears. Add in a history of "petulance' and people get annoyed, it really isn't surprising.
I think WBA fans are as tolerant as most to be honest. time will tell.

I do admire (not understand) your "loyalty" to him though, I imagine its because he wears the stripes rather than a personal thing, correct?

I wouldn't even call it loyalty to him, personally i couldn't care less if he's at our club or not, but for the time he's out our club i will stick by him the same goes for any other player even if i feel they don't deserve to be for whatever reason.

People are quick to judge him for what he's done at 'our club' yet they are happy to speak the way they do about our players,  pretty embarrassing really.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darby009 on August 25, 2016, 01:40:32 PM
I would celebrate him leaving our club more than I would a win over the vile.

What he has done to damage the reputation of our club over the last season and half has been disgusting and I honestly can't wait to see the back of him...

Apart from his attitude, morals and actions I don't think he is anywhere near as good as people think. Personally I would honestly rather have Leko starting in his place.

If some one does pay £20ish then they will really have had their pants pulled down
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 25, 2016, 01:47:27 PM
There are only 2 people that can be blamed for that,

1) Peace - would not allow him to leave
2) Pulis - puts him in the squad regardless lately

Maybe that has an effect on his attitude?

Since last season the only thing that has happened is the whole snapchat situation which someone on here pointed out that it was being recorded from behind his shoulder so could have been someone else recording it (NO ONE will know exactly how it happened even if some on here think they are mystic meg and know it all)
Apart from that, he's got his head down and put effort in.. yes i agree he's played urine poor so have the rest of the squad, but people are saying he should be growing up he should be realising what he's done...

But since the start of the season he's praised the club on twitter, instagram etc although he does not want to be here, he's had extra training sessions and if he's done anything else stupid (like most people on here probably do) , he's kept it out of the media

But just cause he has not played well in a position he cant play in due to pulis playing him there, we still have a forum full of adults moaning and crying over a 23 year olds past ive witnessed less moaning when my nan has her friends around for a good old nag

He could sign a new contract, score 50 goals per season with us, delete twitter/instagram etc, not be mentioned by media ever again for the next 10 years and some would still be a b!tch about the whole situation.

Personally, i think he's been a complete muppet in terms of off the pitch... worst thing for me is whole drink driving speeding incident a while back im totally against that but people do it and hopefully learn before it harms anyone.

I think its time people just grow up and get over it, you all cry on here saying he needs to grow up but he's at our club regardless what any of us say earning a very good salary, whilst there are grown men on here, some probably without jobs, some with average jobs, some with decent paid jobs... that are spending their free time moaning about a 23 year old....    Makes you wonder who the real immature ones are?  ???

There are players at our club who are far worse than saido even in their natural preferred position... saido is least of our worries in terms of what we need to survive this season.

Before anyone starts jumping down my throat too cause you don't agree with me.... tough sh!t if you dislike my honest opinion  :P

It actually is the fault of only 2 people...

1. Saido Berahino

2. Daniel Levy
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2016, 01:53:58 PM
How about his agent who no doubt told him he was the next Ronaldo in the first place? We had these problems once he started to believe the hype.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie82 on August 25, 2016, 01:55:00 PM
What he has done to damage the reputation of our club over the last season and half has been disgusting and I honestly can't wait to see the back of him...

Massive overreaction IMO. He's not been sent to jail like some other well publicised Premiership footballers. Yes he's made some mistakes but he is a kid. He has also helped keep the club in the Prem with his goals and has been refused a move against his wishes for the last 18 months and made to play under an ultra defensive coach who plays him out of position. Some perspective please.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 25, 2016, 02:00:15 PM
We've done well to keep them on the hook for this long. Had I been Stoke, regardless of his ability, I'd have told us to get stuffed by now for dragging it out.

Just please for the love of all things holy sell him and thank your lucky stars you got £20m for a busted flush.

I agree. Let us hope that Stoke's previous offer still stands now palace are out of the equation. Got to go now before crowd start to turn.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on August 25, 2016, 02:01:32 PM
This  is a terrible situation all around and no one will be happy whatever happens.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2016, 02:02:32 PM
It actually is the fault of only 2 people...

1. Saido Berahino

2. Daniel Levy


that i totally agree with
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darby009 on August 25, 2016, 02:43:18 PM
Massive overreaction IMO. He's not been sent to jail like some other well publicised Premiership footballers. Yes he's made some mistakes but he is a kid. He has also helped keep the club in the Prem with his goals and has been refused a move against his wishes for the last 18 months and made to play under an ultra defensive coach who plays him out of position. Some perspective please.

23 years old is not a kid, he is a grown man who shows petulance when he doesn't get his own way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 25, 2016, 03:04:09 PM
It actually is the fault of only 2 people...

1. Saido Berahino

2. Daniel Levy

So if you worked for a company on 20k per year but had the opportunity to go to a new company and earn 30k per year but your manager refused to let you leave... that would be your fault?

I was replying to the person who said he's still here and in the first team... Saido don't want to be here and it's not levy's fault he is still here and is in our first team.

For the disruption I agree he has played a part in it but that's not what my post was about.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 25, 2016, 03:06:42 PM
So if you worked for a company on 20k per year but had the opportunity to go to a new company and earn 30k per year but your manager refused to let you leave... that would be your fault?

I was replying to the person who said he's still here and in the first team... Saido don't want to be here and it's not levy's fault he is still here and is in our first team.

For the disruption I agree he has played a part in it but that's not what my post was about.

If Levy and Spurs had made a deal worth considering then he wouldn't be here, the fact they offered something along the lines of £10 and a bag of chips with the rest in addons is why he is still here. Spurs also had a deal pulled on them recently for the same sort of offer.

Its the sort we like when making them but ain't going to accept ourselves
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on August 25, 2016, 03:07:11 PM
Please just sell him.

If Tony Pulis stays we won't even need him as he cant head the ball!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on August 25, 2016, 03:26:44 PM
So if you worked for a company on 20k per year but had the opportunity to go to a new company and earn 30k per year but your manager refused to let you leave... that would be your fault?

I was replying to the person who said he's still here and in the first team... Saido don't want to be here and it's not levy's fault he is still here and is in our first team.

For the disruption I agree he has played a part in it but that's not what my post was about.

It would be your fault if you were on a 3 year notice period that you had happily committed to
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 25, 2016, 03:34:06 PM
I dont think Daniel Levy and Spurs were too unreasonable with their offer for him. Frankly he's just not that good. People just say he has loads of potential on nothing other than the fact hes young (hes not even young anymore) and English.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2016, 03:40:35 PM
I thought the offer was £6m up front with add ons and clauses to be potentially triggered over the next 5 years. My point is that Levy must have been 'informed' of his availability beforehand. From memory he was being represented by a really suspect 'agent', and I use the term loosely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on August 25, 2016, 03:52:21 PM
Just take the money now, surely we can get someone in.  Anything is better than this, I'd rather have kept Anichebe, its destroying morale all round.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 25, 2016, 03:53:32 PM
So if you worked for a company on 20k per year but had the opportunity to go to a new company and earn 30k per year but your manager refused to let you leave... that would be your fault?

I was replying to the person who said he's still here and in the first team... Saido don't want to be here and it's not levy's fault he is still here and is in our first team.

For the disruption I agree he has played a part in it but that's not what my post was about.

How can you make that comparison?

He is contracted to the club, a transfer fee has to be involved. this isn't standard business practice so your comparison cannot be used.

You can hand in a months notice and leave no one can stop you...if you sign a contract you are owned by the club until a. they decide to sell you or b. your contract expires

You keep giving these analogies and comparisons without any foundation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 25, 2016, 04:11:29 PM
So if you worked for a company on 20k per year but had the opportunity to go to a new company and earn 30k per year but your manager refused to let you leave... that would be your fault?

I was replying to the person who said he's still here and in the first team... Saido don't want to be here and it's not levy's fault he is still here and is in our first team.

For the disruption I agree he has played a part in it but that's not what my post was about.

Why must people keep trying to parallel the sporting world to day to day life. It's a completely different kettle of fish.

He is under contract and the club own that contract, to get him out of that contract a transfer fee must be paid to the satisfaction of the selling club. The fact that the offer made was not deemed satisfactory gives Berahino the right to down tools for 18 months? Not for me.

Your posts over the past couple of days have been cringe-worthy to read.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2016, 04:51:59 PM
If we can't bring in a replacement then things really are worse than they seem here. There must be loads of available players that would improve us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2016, 04:56:50 PM
I still can't get my head around the fact we've turned down £20m bids for him. He doesn't want to be here and is performing poorly. His stock is lowering every day and if he does go abroad next season then we'll get nowt for him. If it is purely and simply down to the fact that we can't get a replacement then what a shower of sh1te we really are.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 25, 2016, 05:05:48 PM
How can you make that comparison?

He is contracted to the club, a transfer fee has to be involved. this isn't standard business practice so your comparison cannot be used.

You can hand in a months notice and leave no one can stop you...if you sign a contract you are owned by the club until a. they decide to sell you or b. your contract expires

You keep giving these analogies and comparisons without any foundation.

So if Saido was for example to not turn up to training again or matches what would happen?

He would be took to court I'm guessing? Can't see peace, pulis or the new owner dragging him there by his ear.

Same applies for a work place, you can hand your notice in and not go back, will end up at a small claims court depending on your salary depends on how far they take it but he is not OWNED by the club, he is CONTRACTED to the club.

Yes I know he can't be registered to play for another team and all that but it doesn't mean he has no choice but play for us.

It obviously does not work exactly the same but the principle is still the same.

And for the record it was not a comparison the point is he had a better offer at a better club and he wanted to take it which I don't blame it... it was peace who blocked him from leaving which has added to the disruption.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 25, 2016, 05:17:17 PM
What? Odemwingie had a stellar career, with a big money move to Russia, where we were only able to sign him due to institutionalised racism. He's captained his country, scored CL goals and appeared at World Cups.

Berahino isn't fit to lace up Peter Odemwingie's boots.

Fair comment. I'm just likening the nasty taste they both seem to have left.
I really did like Pete...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on August 25, 2016, 05:33:21 PM
It's easy with hindsight to look back and say we should have sold him last summer, we won't get £25m now, and we have an unhappy player on our hands.
We may have lost a good few million, we may yet lose a few million more.
But it was never about money. It was about taking a stance against so called big clubs who think they can just walk in and take our best players, especially our home grown ones. Peace is probably still livid about the Izzy Brown scenario.
It also sends a message to players like Odemwingie and Berahino who sign long term contracts and then want out, and sulk when it doesn't work like that.

To be fair to the players, Peace was at fault for not paying them the top money, strikers who score for fun like Odem and Bera were are very hard to find and replace, as we are finding to our cost now.
Then again the players were happy enough to sign their contracts or tey were advised to by people who represent them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 25, 2016, 08:44:07 PM
Saido looks absolutely lost as a player now.

Big fall from 18 months ago when he looked a real natural finisher .

Whoever signs him next will have damaged goods and we'll have done well to get serious cash for him.

He's all potential and no substance .........so far and he has a lot lot lot to learn to become the real deal. I wouldn't bet he'll make it big
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 26, 2016, 12:23:25 AM
Saido looks absolutely lost as a player now.

Big fall from 18 months ago when he looked a real natural finisher .

Whoever signs him next will have damaged goods and we'll have done well to get serious cash for him.

He's all potential and no substance .........so far and he has a lot lot lot to learn to become the real deal. I wouldn't bet he'll make it big

Tbh with Saido Pulisball is absolute kryptonite for his style of play. It's not as if it is surprising that he has lost his way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 26, 2016, 12:49:14 PM
If we can't bring in a replacement then things really are worse than they seem here. There must be loads of available players that would improve us.

Herein lies the problem unfortunately - we want £25m for a player who couldn't hit a barn door recently, other teams would be mad to sell us someone who can without a hefty price tag. Vydra was available for £8.5m and he wouldn't improve us, dread to think how much we'd be charged for someone who could. Would need to be either a player on the fringes of a team (Evans, Lukaku when we loaned him for example) or a hidden gem that would be our only real hopes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 26, 2016, 04:20:35 PM
is he still here?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 26, 2016, 04:22:08 PM
is he still here?

He'll be here until next summer now and I will hate every second of it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 26, 2016, 04:23:45 PM
He'll be here until next summer now and I will hate every second of it.

and me!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on August 26, 2016, 05:08:55 PM
He'll be here until next summer now and I will hate every second of it.
yeah and me waste of space last year and will be a waste of space this year...20m sitting there and we cant find a replacment complete shambles
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 27, 2016, 02:41:23 PM
Pulis has been quoted today saying that Berahino will be fine once the transfer window shuts: "He'll be fine. Getting over the next three or four days will be massive for him. I just think, one day, I will write a thesis on it. It will be a long one. Is this the fourth or fifth window? It seems like about 20 with him. The kid has had to put up with it, you can't stop it, unfortunately. Some of the stories I could tell you. I was disappointed he never scored on Tuesday, his running stats were fantastic but he really should have scored five. He had three chances when it's just him and the keeper. One goes in and hopefully the gates open."

Source: Sky Sports (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10553828/tony-pulis-says-saido-berahino-will-recover-form-once-future-is-resolved)

Pulis said exactly the same at this point last season and Berahino went on to offer next to nothing for the entire season....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 27, 2016, 02:43:16 PM
Pulis has been quoted today saying that Berahino will be fine once the transfer window shuts: "He'll be fine. Getting over the next three or four days will be massive for him. I just think, one day, I will write a thesis on it. It will be a long one. Is this the fourth or fifth window? It seems like about 20 with him. The kid has had to put up with it, you can't stop it, unfortunately. Some of the stories I could tell you. I was disappointed he never scored on Tuesday, his running stats were fantastic but he really should have scored five. He had three chances when it's just him and the keeper. One goes in and hopefully the gates open."

Source: Sky Sports (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10553828/tony-pulis-says-saido-berahino-will-recover-form-once-future-is-resolved)

Pulis said exactly the same at this point last season and Berahino went on to offer next to nothing for the entire season....

It won't be any different this year either
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 27, 2016, 02:58:36 PM
Pulis has been quoted today saying that Berahino will be fine once the transfer window shuts: "He'll be fine. Getting over the next three or four days will be massive for him. I just think, one day, I will write a thesis on it. It will be a long one. Is this the fourth or fifth window? It seems like about 20 with him. The kid has had to put up with it, you can't stop it, unfortunately. Some of the stories I could tell you. I was disappointed he never scored on Tuesday, his running stats were fantastic but he really should have scored five. He had three chances when it's just him and the keeper. One goes in and hopefully the gates open."

Source: Sky Sports (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10553828/tony-pulis-says-saido-berahino-will-recover-form-once-future-is-resolved)

Pulis said exactly the same at this point last season and Berahino went on to offer next to nothing for the entire season....

That's because it's a last seasons quote.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 27, 2016, 04:29:32 PM
How can you make that comparison?

He is contracted to the club, a transfer fee has to be involved. this isn't standard business practice so your comparison cannot be used.

You can hand in a months notice and leave no one can stop you...if you sign a contract you are owned by the club until a. they decide to sell you or b. your contract expires

You keep giving these analogies and comparisons without any foundation.

I agree with you that you cannot compare a football transfer to moving jobs in the real world but I think the point Adam is trying to make is that a lot of supporters are treating Berahino like he's a war criminal or something rather than a immature young man, who hasn't handled things in the right way, but you are right, a contract is a contract and I will never feel sorry for a player who is being held to the contract as they shouldn't have signed it in the first place if they weren't prepared to see it through. When Saido goes, I'll wish him well and hope he goes on to have the career his talent warrants and hope that personal sh** doesn't affect it. I genuinely don't think he's a bad lad, just needs to grow up a bit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 28, 2016, 11:39:48 AM
Let's face it...Stoke want him and surely the Albion would have already agreed payments and terms with them to shift him out if we do get other players in.
Virtually straight away because nothing would stop it, and then our balance of dealings should help to cancel themselves out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on August 28, 2016, 12:38:30 PM
On the bench today
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 28, 2016, 12:40:30 PM
He'll be here until next summer now and I will hate every second of it.

Count me in too!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on August 28, 2016, 03:25:37 PM
Disgraceful by the supporters.
Nothing is as deplorable as a player who is booed by their own fans, why would he even bother trying, seriously?

I know people are upset with him, but when a player is on the pitch, for that 90 minutes they need support.

No excuses, no two wrongs make it right... pathetic!!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 28, 2016, 03:30:21 PM
Disgraceful by the supporters.
Nothing is as deplorable as a player who is booed by their own fans, why would he even bother trying, seriously?

I know people are upset with him, but when a player is on the pitch, for that 90 minutes they need support.

No excuses, no two wrongs make it right... pathetic!!

Agreed. Ashamed of our supporters today. Disgraceful.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albertbaggie on August 28, 2016, 04:33:52 PM
Matt Wilson suggesting he could well be leaving now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on August 28, 2016, 04:35:17 PM
Matt Wilson suggesting he could well be leaving now

The stadium?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 28, 2016, 04:36:41 PM
Matt Wilson suggesting he could well be leaving now
Please please!!!
We need to get him out as most have now turned this season after giving him so many chances over the past few seasons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 28, 2016, 04:37:09 PM
Woeful yet again today. Please sell him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on August 28, 2016, 04:37:16 PM
Agreed. Ashamed of our supporters today. Disgraceful.
No they are not disgraceful, they have every right to boo jeer scream and shout at this disgrace for a footballer it's bloody obvious he doesn't want to play for us and he shouldn't!Pulis is to blame aswell because he shouldn't have him anywhere near the first team squad. The sooner he is gone the better and i for one can't wait for that day to come.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 28, 2016, 04:41:49 PM
No they are not disgraceful, they have every right to boo jeer scream and shout at this disgrace for a footballer it's bloody obvious he doesn't want to play for us and he shouldn't!Pulis is to blame aswell because he shouldn't have him anywhere near the first team squad. The sooner he is gone the better and i for one can't wait for that day to come.

Regardless of who the footballer is, no one should be booed by their own fans it's embarrassing, disgraceful and pathetic. Anyone with any excuse for it should not be allowed inside the stadium the football is negative enough without small minded 'fans' adding to it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 28, 2016, 04:44:39 PM
No they are not disgraceful, they have every right to boo jeer scream and shout at this disgrace for a footballer it's bloody obvious he doesn't want to play for us and he shouldn't!Pulis is to blame aswell because he shouldn't have him anywhere near the first team squad. The sooner he is gone the better and i for one can't wait for that day to come.

No mate, you're wrong on this one. How is booing our best striker good for our club? What's you're problem with him specifically?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albertbaggie on August 28, 2016, 04:45:25 PM
If he does go, would think we have two strikers lined up. Big money one plus maybe someone like Robson-Kanu.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on August 28, 2016, 04:46:56 PM
They are not small minded they pay their money and are entitled to an opinion booing is the only way they can make their feeling's known to him. Anyway he is the pathetic one and in any other business he would have had the sack!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Plastic Paddy on August 28, 2016, 04:47:32 PM
Agreed. Ashamed of our supporters today. Disgraceful.

Agree. I have never agreed with booing our own players. How can this provide a positive impact?

Saido hasn't been himself for over 12 months, however he is still a WBA player (and may still be on Thursday the way things are going) so IF we do have to play him again how will the booing today help?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on August 28, 2016, 04:48:26 PM
No they are not disgraceful, they have every right to boo jeer scream and shout at this disgrace for a footballer it's bloody obvious he doesn't want to play for us and he shouldn't!Pulis is to blame aswell because he shouldn't have him anywhere near the first team squad. The sooner he is gone the better and i for one can't wait for that day to come.

Sorry  but I disagree 100%
It is one of the lowest levels a supporter can stoop to in my eyes and embarrasses everyone associated with the club.
It makes everyone look like a neanderthal  without class and why would the player keep his eye on the play rather than just walk off the pitch in disgust.

Anyway each to their own if you find it okay, but I hated it and I was embarrassed that it was my club doing it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 28, 2016, 04:49:30 PM
I know Saido has had his attitude problems, they are well documented, and there is no use going over them again. However...

We have seen players do a lot worse and be reintegrated into teams, and go on to recapture their form. This is usually thanks to the manager / head coach having managed him well, and done what was necessary to get the best out of the player.

Pulis is failing in that regard, and there is only so long you can go on blaming the player for that. If the manager has to use him in the team, as Pulis does due to lack of options, then he should be trying to work out how to get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on August 28, 2016, 04:51:20 PM
No mate, you're wrong on this one. How is booing our best striker good for our club? What's you're problem with him specifically?
once he said he wouldn't play for the Albion again he should have been gone, end of story and he doesn't try he couldn't care less and the penalty against Northampton well if that wasn't deliberate i don't know what was!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andio on August 28, 2016, 04:51:48 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/28/tony-pulis-drops-huge-hint-that-saido-berahino-will-be-sold/

What Pulis says suggests he should be gone by Wednesday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on August 28, 2016, 04:51:55 PM
No mate, you're wrong on this one. How is booing our best striker good for our club? What's you're problem with him specifically?
best striker you have got to be having a laugh the sooner the waste of space is out of our club the better
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 28, 2016, 04:52:21 PM
Don't condone people booing our players before they have played, but I certainly cannot sympathise with him. He downed tools for us a long time ago, deserves anything that he may get as a result of that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 28, 2016, 04:53:17 PM
No mate, you're wrong on this one. How is booing our best striker good for our club? What's you're problem with him specifically?

Our best striker  ;D Your posts are usually bizarre and I disagree with the majority of what you say, but that is right up there.

Olsson up top would be more effective, hell, even Lambert would.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 28, 2016, 04:54:48 PM
Who gives a fu** about this really. We should be more concerned about getting the likes of Chadli in. He's what you call a "saviour" signing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on August 28, 2016, 04:55:16 PM
Sorry  but I disagree 100%
It is one of the lowest levels a supporter can stoop to in my eyes and embarrasses everyone associated with the club.
It makes everyone look like a neanderthal  without class and why would the player keep his eye on the play rather than just walk off the pitch in disgust.

Anyway each to their own if you find it okay, but I hated it and I was embarrassed that it was my club doing it.
It didn't embarrass me, and before anyone start's i didn't boo myself as i never have and never will but on the other hand i haven't got a problem with those who did.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zac on August 28, 2016, 04:55:30 PM
When utilised properly he is going to score goals in this division. He obviously wants to go so hopefully we can bring a couple in and move him on before Wednesday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on August 28, 2016, 04:58:09 PM
I think people completely fail to grasp the morality of the issue.
It makes ZERO difference is people don't want him in the side, guess what he doesn't want to be there either.

What matters is supporting ALL 11 players on the pitch at any time.

The argument "he deserves it" is what I would expect my children to say
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on August 28, 2016, 04:59:07 PM
Matt Wilson suggesting he could well be leaving now

I really hope he's right, but from what I've gathered this window Matt Wilson knows as much as you and me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Plastic Paddy on August 28, 2016, 04:59:34 PM
When TP first arrived, Berahino was a Goalscorer. In the space of 18 months, TP has destroyed this threat by his negative tactics. Is it any wonder that Saido wants to leave?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 28, 2016, 05:09:08 PM
I really hope he's right, but from what I've gathered this window Matt Wilson knows as much as you and me.

Wilson is about as much in ITK as Baggies 92.5FM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 28, 2016, 05:17:49 PM
They are not small minded they pay their money and are entitled to an opinion booing is the only way they can make their feeling's known to him. Anyway he is the pathetic one and in any other business he would have had the sack!!
OK then, break it down to me how it benefits the team we are both supporting by booing the fu** out of our best forward ??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 28, 2016, 05:35:17 PM
I really hope he's right, but from what I've gathered this window Matt Wilson knows as much as you and me.
Wilson's just going by what Pulis said, which was: "When the Baggies head coach was asked why the striker was benched, he said:  'You'll see in the next 48 hours hopefully. That's going to be another topic of conversation during the next few days".

It does rather suggest Pulis thinks Berahino will go. He also didn't trot out his usual platitude about wanting him to stay either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Plastic Paddy on August 28, 2016, 05:41:11 PM
In the last 27 games, Saido has scored 1 goal and his his presence on the pitch has at 'best' divided fans. We are best off getting rid now and if we can't sign anyone, promote an Academy Striker who will not divide the fans?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RogerBadoo on August 28, 2016, 05:53:24 PM
Also interesting that Pulis referred to unhappy players and players keen to leave. Surely looking at Saido's body language today he's one of those. It's reached the point where he just needs to leave. In my opinion he should have gone before the season started.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 28, 2016, 05:57:56 PM
Also interesting that Pulis referred to unhappy players and players keen to leave. Surely looking at Saido's body language today he's one of those. It's reached the point where he just needs to leave. In my opinion he should have gone before the season started.


Body language?

Twice or 3 times pulis stood him up to come on then sat him back down then unfortunately Leko went off injured so had to play out of position AGAIN then came on to a bunch of boo's.... I think anyone's body language would give off mixed signals.

People are just making up their own conspiracies now about him. Don't be surprised if he's still here Thursday morning.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on August 28, 2016, 05:58:32 PM
OK then, break it down to me how it benefits the team we are both supporting by booing the fu** out of our best forward ??
You allegedly know football go break it down yourself. If the truth be known it,doesn't bother the team they all think he's a p!!!k anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 28, 2016, 06:03:54 PM
You allegedly know football go break it down yourself. If the truth be known it,doesn't bother the team they all think he's a p!!!k anyway.

Well from seeing them off the pitch he gets along with them pretty well. It's only the fans that are making the whole situation a bigger issue between each other with their conspiracies and how terrible he is at this and that etc etc.

Problem is, we're in a position where we should be getting behind our club but people are trying to find any reason to moan about Saido. Boo'd before he came on yet players like Fletcher can make mistake after mistake but no one cares cause he has a nice personality?

P!ssing joke. Ridiculous. And these fans have the cheek to call others immature and say they need to grow up? Shocking. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on August 28, 2016, 06:08:53 PM
Well from seeing them off the pitch he gets along with them pretty well. It's only the fans that are making the whole situation a bigger issue between each other with their conspiracies and how terrible he is at this and that etc etc.

Problem is, we're in a position where we should be getting behind our club but people are trying to find any reason to moan about Saido. Boo'd before he came on yet players like Fletcher can make mistake after mistake but no one cares cause he has a nice personality?

P!ssing joke. Ridiculous. And these fans have the cheek to call others immature and say they need to grow up? Shocking.
Fletcher hasn't played up said he will never play for us again or disrespected the club or the fans, it beats me how people still stick up for him, he's a first rate p!!!k
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ComebackStrodds on August 28, 2016, 06:09:20 PM
Personality certainly helps. And Saido is a little pric* who needs a good public slapping never mind booing. It's his disrespect to the club that has pushed everyone to the limit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 28, 2016, 06:14:34 PM
Fletcher hasn't played up said he will never play for us again or disrespected the club or the fans, it beats me how people still stick up for him, he's a first rate p!!!k

But they are footballers.. we as fans should be judging FOOTBALLERS based on their FOOTBALL.. so we can be happy with Fletcher playing sh!t because he hasn't played up?

Never heard anything as pathetic in my life.

Maybe he is a pr!ck, a lot of footballers are but it still doesn't justify people booing him. Pretty sad really the attitude of some of the fans... especially when they judge our players attitudes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on August 28, 2016, 06:19:32 PM
But they are footballers.. we as fans should be judging FOOTBALLERS based on their FOOTBALL.. so we can be happy with Fletcher playing sh!t because he hasn't played up?

Never heard anything as pathetic in my life.

Maybe he is a pr!ck, a lot of footballers are but it still doesn't justify people booing him. Pretty sad really the attitude of some of the fans... especially when they judge our players attitudes.
so what as he done over the last few games that makes you think he is doing ok? I think a lot of the booing today was down to what happened on Tuesday night. Oh and by the way mate don't call me pathetic for having a different view to you.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 28, 2016, 06:20:09 PM


Body language?

Twice or 3 times pulis stood him up to come on then sat him back down then unfortunately Leko went off injured so had to play out of position AGAIN then came on to a bunch of boo's.... I think anyone's body language would give off mixed signals.

People are just making up their own conspiracies now about him. Don't be surprised if he's still here Thursday morning.

I'll be honest Adam, I think he's gone now, you'd have to have cast iron skin to put up with the rubbish that Saido had from the fans today. I think he played his last game for us today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 28, 2016, 06:33:38 PM
I'll be honest Adam, I think he's gone now, you'd have to have cast iron skin to put up with the rubbish that Saido had from the fans today. I think he played his last game for us today.

I agree.  If he doesn't go now then there's probably no way back for him here
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on August 28, 2016, 06:36:44 PM
I'll be honest Adam, I think he's gone now, you'd have to have cast iron skin to put up with the rubbish that Saido had from the fans today. I think he played his last game for us today.
its almost like bera has become a victim, how on earth did that happen? His situation is almost entirely his own making.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 28, 2016, 06:42:58 PM
To be honest I'm sick of hearing about him now, just want him to be somebody else's problem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on August 28, 2016, 06:43:16 PM
But they are footballers.. we as fans should be judging FOOTBALLERS based on their FOOTBALL.. so we can be happy with Fletcher playing sh!t because he hasn't played up?

Never heard anything as pathetic in my life.

Maybe he is a pr!ck, a lot of footballers are but it still doesn't justify people booing him. Pretty sad really the attitude of some of the fans... especially when they judge our players attitudes.
judge him as a footballer ok, for 8 months he's been a waste of space.
imho that is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on August 28, 2016, 06:49:18 PM
To be honest I'm sick of hearing about him now, just want him to be somebody else's problem.
You can be sure that wherever he goes, it will definitely be someone else's problem. Seems to me that it's never his.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 28, 2016, 06:53:10 PM
its almost like bera has become a victim, how on earth did that happen? His situation is almost entirely his own making.

Apart from the Spurs episode last year Saido hasn't done much that an ordinary 20-odd year old wouldn't do, it's just that the media have a ready made story for click bait.
 I was having this very same discussion this afternoon. Hardly any pro's these days play for the history of the club, they play as a team for each other, but not for the geographical area. I'll be willing to bet, that Solomon Rondon & Claudio Yacob didn't have a clue where West Bromwich was before they came here. On that basis the disrespectful to the club & the fans argument just doesn't hold water. On the other hand the more perceptive player will recognise that life can be so much easier,if you can get the fans on board.

So while I agree, that Saido has'nt helped himself, it's not entirely his own making & he has been tweaked by the media
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 28, 2016, 06:54:02 PM
Forget everything else , what has he done on a football pitch in the past 18 months which makes anyone believe he's anything special?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on August 28, 2016, 06:59:24 PM
Apart from the Spurs episode last year Saido hasn't done much that an ordinary 20-odd year old wouldn't do, it's just that the media have a ready made story for click bait.
 I was having this very same discussion this afternoon. Hardly any pro's these days play for the history of the club, they play as a team for each other, but not for the geographical area. I'll be willing to bet, that Solomon Rondon & Claudio Yacob didn't have a clue where West Bromwich was before they came here. On that basis the disrespectful to the club & the fans argument just doesn't hold water. On the other hand the more perceptive player will recognise that life can be so much easier,if you can get the fans on board.

So while I agree, that Saido has'nt helped himself, it's not entirely his own making & he has been tweaked by the media
It most certainly wasn't the media that made him have his Twitter meltdown, nor the drink driving, not the laughing gas. It certainly wasn't the media I saw sulking around the hawthorns pitch looking decidedly overweight and uninterested in breaking a sweat on almost all the occasions he's taken to the pitch since that ill advised night on deadline day.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 28, 2016, 07:00:22 PM
Lads, this forum is for transfer talk, not to repeat what gets posted in the Saido thread in the main board.

Not moving any more posts that ignore it, simply removing them
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 28, 2016, 07:06:16 PM
Our best striker  ;D Your posts are usually bizarre and I disagree with the majority of what you say, but that is right up there.

Olsson up top would be more effective, hell, even Lambert would.

Even with his attitude Berahino is the only Albion player other teams are interested in. Does this not tell you something? A player who has been managed badly for the last 18+ months.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 28, 2016, 07:08:24 PM
I genuinely think he is not very good, his finishing can be top notch, but the rest of his game is Championship standard at best, get rid ASAP!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on August 28, 2016, 07:24:29 PM
Even with his attitude Berahino is the only Albion player other teams are interested in. Does this not tell you something? A player who has been managed badly for the last 18+ months.
I think you'll find this is incorrect. Arsenal were interested in Evans, and a few clubs are interested in McManaman + the youngsters we have loaned out. Probably some others that we haven't heard about. Watch this space in the next few days
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 28, 2016, 08:10:53 PM
judge him as a footballer ok, for 8 months he's been a waste of space.
imho that is.

There are a handful of players that have been a waste of space (and money) doing their whole time here... why ain't we slating those 24/7?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on August 28, 2016, 08:15:38 PM
Steve Madeley ‏@SteveMadeleyWWA
And it doesn't appear there have been any Berahino developments despite Pulis post-match comments. Still think he's likely to stay. #wba

Hope he goes to be honest, but if he stays we really need him to rediscover some form.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 28, 2016, 08:17:28 PM
To be honest I'm sick of hearing about him now, just want him to be somebody else's problem.

Too true...............been pretty patient with the guy and kept hoping he would knuckle down and come good again.

The rubbish I've seen from him so this season tells me it's best to get rid whilst we can. I want him out of our club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on August 28, 2016, 08:18:47 PM
Steve Madeley ‏@SteveMadeleyWWA
And it doesn't appear there have been any Berahino developments despite Pulis post-match comments. Still think he's likely to stay. #wba

Hope he goes to be honest, but if he stays we really need him to rediscover some form.

He needs to play up top, rather than behind the striker - that's not his role.

He looks devoid of confidence to me, rather than not being bothered.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 28, 2016, 08:19:11 PM
I think you'll find this is incorrect. Arsenal were interested in Evans, and a few clubs are interested in McManaman + the youngsters we have loaned out. Probably some others that we haven't heard about. Watch this space in the next few days

Arsenal and McManaman are not the same, they are just being linked and rumours, Evans was probably arsenal's 2nd 3rd or 4th choice and McManaman... he's still not in the squad and not gone anywhere by the looks of it so obviously there is no real interest.... for teams to STILL want a player that has been in poor form (regardless of the reason), been an easy option for the media to make endless stories about and is currently in our first team so they know we will play hardball...

VVVAlbion has a good point.

As for the youngsters, that's mainly for the players benefit not because clubs are chasing after them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DivinePast on August 28, 2016, 08:50:40 PM
I really hope he moves on because it seems his head isn't in it and Pulis really doesn't want him around. Not sure a great fit because I imagine West Brom lost a lot leverage lately.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on August 28, 2016, 08:54:02 PM
Also interesting that Pulis referred to unhappy players and players keen to leave. Surely looking at Saido's body language today he's one of those. It's reached the point where he just needs to leave. In my opinion he should have gone before the season started.

Also interesting listening to the radio on the way home that all of the commentators picked up on his body language and attitude throughout the day. From waltzing out on his own at half time and keeping to himself, to his jogging around the pitch when he came on. So it's not just us that are noticing it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 28, 2016, 09:34:54 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/28/tony-pulis-drops-huge-hint-that-saido-berahino-will-be-sold/

What Pulis says suggests he should be gone by Wednesday.

Wouldn't believe express and star too much, they say he only came on because Leko gt injured.... he was warmed up and ready to come on before they told Leko to get his shirt on.... so he was coming on either way they are obviously desperate for a story.

Pulis saying 'we will see in the next so many hours' could mean he's going or staying. Pointless rumour to me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 28, 2016, 09:41:46 PM
He might actually want to stay if we sign players who might just create chances and with a formation that enables him to play as part of a front two!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wimbledon baggie on August 28, 2016, 09:47:57 PM
He might actually want to stay if we sign players who might just create chances and with a formation that enables him to play as part of a front two!

Possible but unlikely. If we sign £50m of talent with quality then he would be needed to be sold to make up the payments.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on August 28, 2016, 09:49:05 PM
He might actually want to stay if we sign players who might just create chances and with a formation that enables him to play as part of a front two!
Saido two years ago would be great. just think its best for both player and club to go its separate ways.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on August 28, 2016, 10:00:15 PM
Wouldn't believe express and star too much, they say he only came on because Leko gt injured.... he was warmed up and ready to come on before they told Leko to get his shirt on.... so he was coming on either way they are obviously desperate for a story.

Pulis saying 'we will see in the next so many hours' could mean he's going or staying. Pointless rumour to me.
He wasnt ready to come on Leko had to continue for a few minutes because he werent ready
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on August 28, 2016, 10:35:04 PM
He wasnt ready to come on Leko had to continue for a few minutes because he werent ready
No, you could see the trainer indicating to the bench to give Leko a minute or so to see if he could run it off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 28, 2016, 10:48:03 PM
No, you could see the trainer indicating to the bench to give Leko a minute or so to see if he could run it off.

The physio gave the bench the thumbs up before Leko limped over to the East Stand touch line. I'd guess they thought he'd be able to run it off.

Back on topic though, I reckon that's the last we'll see of him in an Albion shirt.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on August 28, 2016, 10:52:25 PM
The physio gave the bench the thumbs up before Leko limped over to the East Stand touch line. I'd guess they thought he'd be able to run it off.

Back on topic though, I reckon that's the last we'll see of him in an Albion shirt.
Hopefully it suits all parties to go seperate ways now. Circus has gone on long enough
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on August 28, 2016, 10:57:23 PM
As Oldbury has already said please talk about his behaviour/performance in the main Berahino thread, this is purely for his transfer talk.

PLEASE READ MY ABOVE MESSAGE before continuing about Berahino and how he performed today
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on August 29, 2016, 12:24:11 PM
Any manager who buys him on the back of having 10 or 12 good games a few years back deserves all they get.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie82 on August 29, 2016, 12:35:04 PM
Playing for Pulis as isolated midfielder or benched, messed around by the chairman, any wonder he had an attitude? He is in a team that scores less than a goal per game. It's truly awful and negative and the lad wants to play upfront as he did under Irvine where coincidentally he hit twenty goals in a season. I hope he moves and wish him well. The animosity from our fans is misplaced. He has scored some very important goals and the club is due a big pay day if he goes. That's a win win.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2016, 12:46:00 PM
dont agree with booing but i cant wait to see the back of him and his arrogant face
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bry on August 29, 2016, 12:47:00 PM
Playing for Pulis as isolated midfielder or benched, messed around by the chairman, any wonder he had an attitude? He is in a team that scores less than a goal per game. It's truly awful and negative and the lad wants to play upfront as he did under Irvine where coincidentally he hit twenty goals in a season. I hope he moves and wish him well. The animosity from our fans is misplaced. He has scored some very important goals and the club is due a big pay day if he goes. That's a win win.
I seem to remember Morrison lhaving an issue with Berahino's  attitude way back before Pulis arrived. I don't condone the booing and I didn't. However I think he has to share responsibility for the position he is currently in and not just blame Pulis.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on August 29, 2016, 12:52:49 PM
I seem to remember Morrison lhaving an issue with Berahino's  attitude way back before Pulis arrived. I don't condone the booing and I didn't. However I think he has to share responsibility for the position he is currently in and not just blame Pulis.

Morrison punched Berahino because he didnt keep the ball in the corner during crystal palace. Legend.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 29, 2016, 12:57:26 PM
You allegedly know football go break it down yourself. If the truth be known it,doesn't bother the team they all think he's a p!!!k anyway.

Well I don't need to really do I as we both know that booing Berahino doesn't help the team or supporters in anyway. The only beneficiaries are our opponents and potential suitors. But if you want to be an immature boo-boy then it's your god given right so knock yourself out with it if that's what floats your boat. What's next, dash a coin at his head ? ::) Some of our supporters seriously need to grow up and stop getting butt-hurt about what players do in their own time and get behind them. Berahino had a good game against Palace, his next 2 performances weren't great but having watched every preseason match apart from Kiddy and Stafford Rangers he was head and shoulders the sharpest player on the pitch which means he's commited himself in training. As long as he does that and pulls on the shirt, we should get behind him despite whatever we "assume" about him as a person. I reckon Marlon Kind and Ched Evans wouldn't get the grief that Berahino gets off some sections. No wonder he wants to leave with the treatment he gets from our more prejudge-mental supporters.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bry on August 29, 2016, 01:07:02 PM
Well I don't need to really do I as we both know that booing Berahino doesn't help the team or supporters in anyway. The only beneficiaries are our opponents and potential suitors. But if you want to be an immature boo-boy then it's your god given right so knock yourself out with it if that's what floats your boat. What's next, dash a coin at his head ? ::) Some of our supporters seriously need to grow up and stop getting butt-hurt about what players do in their own time and get behind them. Berahino had a good game against Palace, his next 2 performances weren't great but having watched every preseason match apart from Kiddy and Stafford Rangers he was head and shoulders the sharpest player on the pitch which means he's commited himself in training. As long as he does that and pulls on the shirt, we should get behind him despite whatever we "assume" about him as a person. I reckon Marlon Kind and Ched Evans wouldn't get the grief that Berahino gets off some sections. No wonder he wants to leave with the treatment he gets from our more prejudge-mental supporters.

He wanted to leave before fans started booing him. I agree about booing him but I do disagree that nothing a player does off the pitch matters.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 29, 2016, 01:11:15 PM
He's a total utter bell end. With that said booing him on to the pitch helps absolutely no one, regardless of what he has done he's still our player and if you can't bring yourself to show him vocal support its best to just ignore him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 29, 2016, 01:18:27 PM
Morrison punched Berahino because he didnt keep the ball in the corner during crystal palace. Legend.

Then Mozza himself made a similar mistake a few games later, doh.

But nobody gave him a legendary punch. Slack.  :-[
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 29, 2016, 01:20:36 PM
Steve Madeley ‏@SteveMadeleyWWA
And it doesn't appear there have been any Berahino developments despite Pulis post-match comments. Still think he's likely to stay. #wba

Hope he goes to be honest, but if he stays we really need him to rediscover some form.

I hope he goes personally for a few reasons.

1. There is so much baggage with him and he quite clearly doesn't want to be here. I cannot wait for him and all the off the field troubles to be someone elses problem.

2. He is being played out of position and it is quite painful to see him operating in the number 10 role. He is best served playing on the defenders shoulders which is something that will not happen under Pulis. He may do very well at Stoke with Arnautovic, Shaqiri and Bojan supplying him with service.

3. He's split the fans so far down the middle that its best he buggers off so we can do without the turmoil in the stands.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bry on August 29, 2016, 01:22:17 PM
Then Mozza himself made a similar mistake a few games later, doh.

But nobody gave him a legendary punch. Slack.  :-[
I guess it wasn't so much the mistake but his attitude back in the dressing after making the mistake.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 29, 2016, 01:25:13 PM
He wanted to leave before fans started booing him. I agree about booing him but I do disagree that nothing a player does off the pitch matters.

Wanting to leave shouldn't subject him to the dogs abuse he gets. Lukaku rejected us for Everton a while ago, and since then he has had a warm reception from our "grateful" supporters. We have previous form for vilifying our players (Moore, Carson, Brunt are just a few off the top of my head). It doesn't help us so what's the point?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bry on August 29, 2016, 01:29:09 PM
Wanting to leave shouldn't subject him to the dogs abuse he gets. Lukaku rejected us for Everton a while ago, and since then he has had a warm reception from our "grateful" supporters. We have previous form for vilifying our players (Moore, Carson, Brunt are just a few off the top of my head). It doesn't help us so what's the point?
I think you mis understand me I agree that booing him is pointless I didn't boo him yesterday. But condoning any off pitch behaviour I can't agree with.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 29, 2016, 01:32:52 PM
Doesn't seem like Saido expects to go anywhere, he's off on his holidays...

https://twitter.com/SBerahino/status/770233001649311744
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on August 29, 2016, 01:38:19 PM
It didn't make any difference for Alan Ashman.

He is already there by the look of it and will be back before the window closes.
I think he will go on the last day, and we will replace him with a big signing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ian66 on August 29, 2016, 01:49:36 PM
Morrison punched Berahino because he didnt keep the ball in the corner during crystal palace. Legend.
Thought it was Cardiff?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 29, 2016, 02:20:30 PM
It didn't make any difference for Alan Ashman.

He is already there by the look of it and will be back before the window closes.
I think he will go on the last day, and we will replace him with a big signing.

I met the man after we won the FA cup...Pleasant and courteous man.
He passed away too soon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 29, 2016, 02:24:49 PM
I think you mis understand me I agree that booing him is pointless I didn't boo him yesterday. But condoning any off pitch behaviour I can't agree with.

I wasn't directly aiming my thoughts at you Bry, just at the sections of supporters that feel the need to make their displeasure heard. It's fair enough to have an opinion on his off field behaviour but to use it as a "stick to beat him with" while he is representing us is something I cannot agree with. It's the clubs job to discipline players, not the supporters. Football supporters to tend to act quite entitled sometimes and I think this is an example of that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 29, 2016, 02:27:41 PM
It didn't make any difference for Alan Ashman.

He is already there by the look of it and will be back before the window closes.
I think he will go on the last day, and we will replace him with a big signing.

Or he's been told by pulis to get away til the window closes so he don't get even more distracted... and with the money were apparently spending on Chadli, camacho and slimani  (if we get the three), got a feeling that will be our 3 'biggest signings'
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 29, 2016, 02:40:46 PM
Or he's been told by pulis to get away til the window closes so he don't get even more distracted... and with the money were apparently spending on Chadli, camacho and slimani  (if we get the three), got a feeling that will be our 3 'biggest signings'

Slimani isn't happening, he's on his way to Leicester.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 29, 2016, 02:50:30 PM
Slimani isn't happening, he's on his way to Leicester.

Has he signed now? If he hasn't you can't really call it off... look at Fletcher with West ham then signed for us.. sakho was about to sign and that fell through...

Until it's signed and you see the old pics with the shirt/scarf etc you can never be so certain :)

But either way, can't see Saido going anywhere to be honest I can't believe he would go on holiday for just a couple of days to come back in time for deadline day especially when it's the international break and he ain't playing that weekend.

I sense a few unhappy fans with regards to the Saido situation come Thursday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 29, 2016, 03:00:24 PM
Or he's been told by pulis to get away til the window closes so he don't get even more distracted... and with the money were apparently spending on Chadli, camacho and slimani  (if we get the three), got a feeling that will be our 3 'biggest signings'

That would tend to contradict what Pulis said on TV that his future would be decided in the next 48 hours. Find it incredible that he has now gone on holiday with the club possibly set to lose £20m and keep a player that is now immensely unpopular and has no apparent desire to commit himself to the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on August 29, 2016, 03:02:35 PM
Thought it was Cardiff?

Ah your probably roght, we gave away so many leads they all blend into one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on August 29, 2016, 03:16:40 PM
It was Cardiff 3-3 😊
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 29, 2016, 03:16:42 PM
He may have already signed for Stoke, but it won't be FINALLY completed until we have replacements definitely in place.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wimbledon baggie on August 29, 2016, 03:17:21 PM
That would tend to contradict what Pulis said on TV that his future would be decided in the next 48 hours. Find it incredible that he has now gone on holiday with the club possibly set to lose £20m and keep a player that is now immensely unpopular and has no apparent desire to commit himself to the team.

If he does not get sold this window then I think he has deliberately calculated with his agent to cause maximum financial damage to WBA, run his contract down and then go abroad. His refusal to sign an improved contract suggests that. Not saying he has, but he could have gone along with discussions this window, led TP to believe he was going to Stoke and then do a U turn at the last minute as payback for the Spurs let down. He then bombs off on holiday to make a move impossible...?

Sorry just seeing dark forces at work when it may be much more positive.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 29, 2016, 03:17:35 PM
That would tend to contradict what Pulis said on TV that his future would be decided in the next 48 hours. Find it incredible that he has now gone on holiday with the club possibly set to lose £20m and keep a player that is now immensely unpopular and has no apparent desire to commit himself to the team.

His future would be decided in the next 48 hours don't necessarily mean he's going though, so have to take that with a pinch of salt really.

For me, he is committing to the team, it's now the fans that are moaning and have the problem not Saido... he's just got on with it recently in terms of his football (although he's been in urine poor form).

And we are not set to lose £20m, there has been nothing concrete to guarantee clubs are willing to pay anywhere that for him.

It's just all media bullcrap to me and people putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5.

Not saying he won't be going anywhere but it just seems very unlikely.

Fans won't be happy but hey ho you think Saido, pulis or the new owners give a damn?

Pulis thrives off players who will ask how high when he says jump and as long as Saido does just that I can see him being here and in the first team until his contract runs out atleast.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 29, 2016, 03:22:13 PM
If he does not get sold this window then I think he has deliberately calculated with his agent to cause maximum financial damage to WBA, run his contract down and then go abroad. His refusal to sign an improved contract suggests that. Not saying he has, but he could have gone along with discussions this window, led TP to believe he was going to Stoke and then do a U turn at the last minute as payback for the Spurs let down. He then bombs off on holiday to make a move impossible...?

Sorry just seeing dark forces at work when it may be much more positive.

Could be spot on there mate wouldn't surprise me one bit.... think it's just one of those situations where regardless of what so called ITK people, media and pulis says about Saido... we are never going to know where we stand with him til either a new contract is signed or another club has signed him.

I just think we need to get behind the whole team now and ignore all the baggage he has with him... what will be will be, but fans booing and arguing over him ain't going to change his mind in any way shape or form so it's all just pointless tbh.

We have some positive transfer news for a change let's hope he gets his confidence back and a few goals for the rest of his time he if he does stay past this window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 29, 2016, 03:29:45 PM
He may have already signed for Stoke, but it won't be FINALLY completed until we have replacements definitely in place.

I strongly suspect fee and terms agreed by club with Stoke, terms agreed between Stoke and player, and medical may have already taken place.   Just waiting for the nod from our club to press all the final buttons as soon as we have signed his replacement.  Him being away "on holiday" wouldn't affect that.  A private jet anywhere in Europe would get him back within 2-3 hours.

And if a deal with Stoke doesn't happen then he's still here for the rest of the season and we run the risk of him going abroad for nothing if he doesn't move in January.

He could even be able to go out on loan this week with us getting a loan fee, although that would rather screw our cash flow.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 29, 2016, 03:47:18 PM
I strongly suspect fee and terms agreed by club with Stoke, terms agreed between Stoke and player, and medical may have already taken place.   Just waiting for the nod from our club to press all the final buttons as soon as we have signed his replacement.  Him being away "on holiday" wouldn't affect that.  A private jet anywhere in Europe would get him back within 2-3 hours.

And if a deal with Stoke doesn't happen then he's still here for the rest of the season and we run the risk of him going abroad for nothing if he doesn't move in January.

He could even be able to go out on loan this week with us getting a loan fee, although that would rather screw our cash flow.

Saido has been involved in every transfer window recently with constant stories about him, i find it pretty hard to believe that a deal is practically done like your saying it is without any information about it being leaked by now? (solid factual evidence at that)
if that was the case then surely he would go on his holiday wednesday night/thursday knowing he's not needed back until after the international break?

Just sounds like another example of a fan making up their own transfer story to make themselves feel better without thinking realistically.

I could be completely wrong but who in the right mind would take the chance to go somewhere sunning it up in a beautiful place knowing they might have to cut it short when they could just wait 2 days (window closes, hes moved to his new club) and then not be disturbed for the next 2 weeks?  ;D

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bry on August 29, 2016, 03:56:09 PM
Saido has been involved in every transfer window recently with constant stories about him, i find it pretty hard to believe that a deal is practically done like your saying it is without any information about it being leaked by now? (solid factual evidence at that)
if that was the case then surely he would go on his holiday wednesday night/thursday knowing he's not needed back until after the international break?

Just sounds like another example of a fan making up their own transfer story to make themselves feel better without thinking realistically.

I could be completely wrong but who in the right mind would take the chance to go somewhere sunning it up in a beautiful place knowing they might have to cut it short when they could just wait 2 days (window closes, hes moved to his new club) and then not be disturbed for the next 2 weeks?  ;D
One thing I don't understand is why he tells everyone what he is doing? If no one knew where he was a phone call a plane ride and he is at a medical? Why invite criticism. Its up to him if he wants to go away, just have a bit of nous Saido and enjoy yourself on the quiet like many footballers do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 29, 2016, 03:57:49 PM
It'll be a damning indictment of all concerned if he's still with us come Thursday morning.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 29, 2016, 03:58:40 PM
Saido has been involved in every transfer window recently with constant stories about him, i find it pretty hard to believe that a deal is practically done like your saying it is without any information about it being leaked by now? (solid factual evidence at that)
if that was the case then surely he would go on his holiday wednesday night/thursday knowing he's not needed back until after the international break?

Just sounds like another example of a fan making up their own transfer story to make themselves feel better without thinking realistically.

I could be completely wrong but who in the right mind would take the chance to go somewhere sunning it up in a beautiful place knowing they might have to cut it short when they could just wait 2 days (window closes, hes moved to his new club) and then not be disturbed for the next 2 weeks?  ;D

It's fairly inevitable that if he's going anywhere this week then it's to Stoke.  The comments from Mark Hughes and everybody else in the media are that he can leave if we sign a replacement. 

There's no need for him to be around for the next couple of days if he's happy to go to Stoke, and in all the circumstances it would be remarkable if terms haven't already been agreed.

There's also of course no evidence that he's gone abroad. He's tweeted a photo which doesn't mean that he's gone anywhere.  Based on his previous tweeting, he's probably just using the "abroad" angle to remind us that if he doesn't get his move now then "abroad" for no fee is his Plan B.

One way or another it's best that he goes now for everybody's sake.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 29, 2016, 04:06:52 PM
It's fairly inevitable that if he's going anywhere this week then it's to Stoke.  The comments from Mark Hughes and everybody else in the media are that he can leave if we sign a replacement. 

There's no need for him to be around for the next couple of days if he's happy to go to Stoke, and in all the circumstances it would be remarkable if terms haven't already been agreed.

There's also of course no evidence that he's gone abroad. He's tweeted a photo which doesn't mean that he's gone anywhere.  Based on his previous tweeting, he's probably just using the "abroad" angle to remind us that if he doesn't get his move now then "abroad" for no fee is his Plan B.

One way or another it's best that he goes now for everybody's sake.

prime example of people seeing things and making up a story out of nothing, not thought that it could be purely the fact he his just sharing an holiday snap on twitter like the other 90% of the 300 million twitter uses do?

every transfer window so far people have had their own little theories from listening to interviews from pulis and other clubs and listening to the media and people 'ITK' about saido... so far every single person has been wrong causes he's still a west bromwich albion player.

Like i say, until its signed on the dotted line and announced... as much as you believe you know where he's going, what he's thinking, why he's took a pic of his holiday, what his plans are and what day and time he's returning to england.... no one actually knows if he's going or not.

No point getting your hopes up incase he does stay  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 29, 2016, 04:17:04 PM
prime example of people seeing things and making up a story out of nothing, not thought that it could be purely the fact he his just sharing an holiday snap on twitter like the other 90% of the 300 million twitter uses do?

every transfer window so far people have had their own little theories from listening to interviews from pulis and other clubs and listening to the media and people 'ITK' about saido... so far every single person has been wrong causes he's still a west bromwich albion player.

Like i say, until its signed on the dotted line and announced... as much as you believe you know where he's going, what he's thinking, why he's took a pic of his holiday, what his plans are and what day and time he's returning to england.... no one actually knows if he's going or not.

No point getting your hopes up incase he does stay  :P

You are right.  The only predictable thing about Berahino is that he is entirely unpredictable!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 29, 2016, 04:21:25 PM
You are right.  The only predictable thing about Berahino is that he is entirely unpredictable!

You can say that again, i think he loves it though he speaks his mind and doesn't sugar coat anything (which is a positive thing), no doubt he says/tweets certain things to make the 'fans' have something to say...
 

Currently he his on holiday sunning it up living life... whilst he's in the spotlight of yet another transfer window getting all the publicity once again... whos the real smart one ay?  ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2016, 04:27:16 PM
liverpool sniffing according to the Oatcake
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on August 29, 2016, 04:31:58 PM
For the record, if the right environment I think Berahino will go on to be a star at some club and be worth more than double what we are selling him for.

Hopefully our chapter with him closes this transfer window
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 29, 2016, 04:36:01 PM
liverpool sniffing according to the Oatcake

That would be interesting.  Might sell us Danny Ings as part of the deal. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bry on August 29, 2016, 04:39:12 PM
That would be interesting.  Might sell us Danny Ings as part of the deal.
I would swap him for Ings definitely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RogerBadoo on August 29, 2016, 04:45:28 PM
Ings for Berahino would be the perfect deal. No idea how the lazy sod would manage under Klopp but hey that wouldn't be are problem anymore. I suspect however that a lot of work has already gone into a deal with Stoke and that's where he'll be come Thursday. Also worth nothing that Stoke don't seem to be pulling up trees looking for an alternative so they must be pretty confident - lets hope Hughes hasn't been watching him in recent weeks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on August 29, 2016, 05:07:58 PM
Matt Wilson ‏@mattwilson_star  4m4 minutes ago
Saido Berahino looks set to stay at #wba for the remaining year of his contract http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/29/saido-berahino-set-to-stay-at-west-brom/ …
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 29, 2016, 05:11:17 PM
I will be livid if he is still here. I am already livid he has been here for this long.

He has to go. His attitude all day yesterday said it all, half arsed before coming on and even less arsed when he did come on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on August 29, 2016, 05:14:56 PM
I cant believe anything that that rag of a newspaper comes out with.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on August 29, 2016, 05:16:31 PM
Matt Wilson ‏@mattwilson_star  4m4 minutes ago
Saido Berahino looks set to stay at #wba for the remaining year of his contract http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/29/saido-berahino-set-to-stay-at-west-brom/ …

That looks like sloppy journalism and has comments such as

Quote from: Matt Wilson: Express & Star
And the academy product, who has scored one goal in his last 27 league games, doesn’t expect to be moving away from The Hawthorns.

He backs this up by the tweeted picture of Berahino away with his family.
There is nothing from the club, no claim of any inside knowledge and certainly nothing from Berahino on the situation. It is a sloppy 'journo' making the same assumption any on a message board could.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 29, 2016, 05:28:03 PM
According to E & S & Guardian Saido's staying

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/29/saido-berahino-set-to-stay-at-west-brom/? (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/29/saido-berahino-set-to-stay-at-west-brom/?)


https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/29/west-bromwich-albion-nacer-chadli-spurs? (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/29/west-bromwich-albion-nacer-chadli-spurs?)

Looks like this one's not going to make it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 29, 2016, 05:37:14 PM
That looks like sloppy journalism and has comments such as

He backs this up by the tweeted picture of Berahino away with his family.
There is nothing from the club, no claim of any inside knowledge and certainly nothing from Berahino on the situation. It is a sloppy 'journo' making the same assumption any on a message board could.

Except, its also in the Guardian & it's from the press association, not some wannabe blogger.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/29/west-bromwich-albion-nacer-chadli-spurs? (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/29/west-bromwich-albion-nacer-chadli-spurs?)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 29, 2016, 05:48:56 PM
Just tweeted that Chadli is a great signing and looking forward to playing with him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adamstv on August 29, 2016, 05:53:47 PM
Just tweeted that Chadli is a great signing and looking forward to playing with him.

Saw that - blood starting to boil !!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 29, 2016, 05:55:28 PM
Just tweeted that Chadli is a great signing and looking forward to playing with him.
Chances are with Chadl all bambino will do  is sit on the bench.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 29, 2016, 05:57:19 PM
I fear he might be staying and that is doing no one any favours. If we have £20m on the table from Stoke we should take it but obviously we cannot force him to sign for them and equally we might not have succeeded in getting the right replacement sorted out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 29, 2016, 06:07:38 PM
I fear he might be staying and that is doing no one any favours. If we have £20m on the table from Stoke we should take it but obviously we cannot force him to sign for them and equally we might not have succeeded in getting the right replacement sorted out.

That's quite right.  I'm not convinced that he's ever really fancied Stoke (or Palace or Watford) and has his heart set on somewhere better.  Things might change if Liverpool were to come in for him now (as has been rumoured) or even Tottenham although I think that ship left port a while ago.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 29, 2016, 06:07:51 PM
Looks like Berahino thinks he's having the last laugh. If he is going to stay no matter what, it's sticking 2 fingers up to the club, the fans and also any other clubs who are trying to sign him now. He's also missing out on the opportunity to earn way more than £15k a week, or whatever it is he's on, for the remainder of this season at least.

Quite how other clubs (whether they currently want to sign him or not) will view his antics over the past 18 months or so only time will tell.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 29, 2016, 06:14:59 PM
Looks like Berahino thinks he's having the last laugh. If he is going to stay no matter what, it's sticking 2 fingers up to the club, the fans and also any other clubs who are trying to sign him now. He's also missing out on the opportunity to earn way more than £15k a week, or whatever it is he's on, for the remainder of this season at least.

Quite how other clubs (whether they currently want to sign him or not) will view his antics over the past 18 months or so only time will tell.....
Could be argued it isn't all about the money and him wanting to try to repay the investment in him on the pitch... or would this not suit the predetermined narrative?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bry on August 29, 2016, 06:20:03 PM
Could be argued it isn't all about the money and him wanting to try to repay the investment in him on the pitch... or would this not suit the predetermined narrative?
In an ideal world Berahino stays, plays like he used to and even improves on his huge potential, scores 15 -20 goals and signs a new contract. Sadly he wont do any of that and will probably not reach the heights his talents could reach when he does finally moves on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 29, 2016, 06:25:15 PM
Are people really complaining about his tweet?

He's praised the club for a good signing (even some of the fans on here have had a moan about it)

He's also said he can't wait to play with him..

Yet people are on here complaining and making up reasons why he's tweeted?

Bloody comical. People are just sounding really desperate to moan now and sounding really petty.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on August 29, 2016, 06:29:40 PM
I still think he will go and I still think it is best if he does, because I think it is ruining his career sitting out these 2 years and it isn't any good for us.

But.. 100% honestly... I would be tempted in his position to do the same and it would have nothing to do with money. The club has made it clear to the him that they 'own' him for this period and won't be forced to sell, absolutely well within the rights of the club to ensure it gets top dollar for him.

However.. it is also then well within his rights to say... Well I think you are screwing my career, costing me the chance to play with a club that challenges and is playing in Europe..

So now it is within my rights to not be forced to a club I don't want to go to and I won't be forced into signing a new contract.

This whole scenario just sucks to be honest and I can't wait for it to be over.

The tweet about Chadli isn't that suprising though, because Berahino for the main part makes the 'right noises' in most of his tweets since that horrible tweet.

He constantly talks up games, results, other players such as the debuts for Field and Leko etc.
Most of the noise he makes is decent, he just screwed it up with some awful ones and to be honest he doesn't look like his heart is in it during games, but mine wouldn't be either if I went out to that sort of greeting by home fans.

Find the lad a home, give us some money to spent on a replacement and move on..

I also don't think for him it is about money, he would have lost at least 2 million pound this last year by not signing another contract and would lose another 2 million this year. That to me doesn't sound like a kid doing it for money.

About 36 hours left?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 29, 2016, 06:33:47 PM
Are people really complaining about his tweet?

He's praised the club for a good signing (even some of the fans on here have had a moan about it)

He's also said he can't wait to play with him..

Yet people are on here complaining and making up reasons why he's tweeted?

Bloody comical. People are just sounding really desperate to moan now and sounding really petty.
All to do with  the character of the person how you treat what they say .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Philly88 on August 29, 2016, 06:38:07 PM
if he laves on a free do we get anything from a tribunal for him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on August 29, 2016, 06:38:38 PM
I still think he will go and I still think it is best if he does, because I think it is ruining his career sitting out these 2 years and it isn't any good for us.

But.. 100% honestly... I would be tempted in his position to do the same and it would have nothing to do with money. The club has made it clear to the him that they 'own' him for this period and won't be forced to sell, absolutely well within the rights of the club to ensure it gets top dollar for him.

However.. it is also then well within his rights to say... Well I think you are screwing my career, costing me the chance to play with a club that challenges and is playing in Europe..

So now it is within my rights to not be forced to a club I don't want to go to and I won't be forced into signing a new contract.

This whole scenario just sucks to be honest and I can't wait for it to be over.

The tweet about Chadli isn't that suprising though, because Berahino for the main part makes the 'right noises' in most of his tweets since that horrible tweet.

He constantly talks up games, results, other players such as the debuts for Field and Leko etc.
Most of the noise he makes is decent, he just screwed it up with some awful ones and to be honest he doesn't look like his heart is in it during games, but mine wouldn't be either if I went out to that sort of greeting by home fans.

Find the lad a home, give us some money to spent on a replacement and move on..

I also don't think for him it is about money, he would have lost at least 2 million pound this last year by not signing another contract and would lose another 2 million this year. That to me doesn't sound like a kid doing it for money.

About 36 hours left?
The kid will be getting a huge signing on fee that will eclipse his loss of potential earnings
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on August 29, 2016, 06:39:13 PM
if he laves on a free do we get anything from a tribunal for him?
If he signs for an english club yes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GREGMT on August 29, 2016, 06:43:54 PM
I think people need to relax a little here.  The guy will probably play better now with the likes of Chadli in the midfield.  Peace failed us last season, we should've been looking to sign players like this 12 months ago.  Give Berahino the service and most probably he'll score a few.  Who cares if he goes on a free in 12 months he hasn't cost us anything. No point pocketing £20m unless you're going to spend it on either the stadium or better players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on August 29, 2016, 07:04:35 PM
WTF is this t@&t up to? He appears to be enjoying messing everyone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 29, 2016, 07:37:15 PM
A Stoke mate of mine is saying that they are going for Bony for £17m.  Looks like they've given up on Berahino, which means he really could be staying.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on August 29, 2016, 07:41:15 PM
The kid will be getting a huge signing on fee that will eclipse his loss of potential earnings
He would get a huge signing on fee if he can convince another club he's the real deal which he hasn't done since his first season wonder.he's doing no one any favours most of all himself with current performances and looking stroppy
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on August 29, 2016, 07:43:35 PM
He would get a huge signing on fee if he can convince another club he's the real deal which he hasn't done since his first season wonder.he's doing no one any favours most of all himself with current performances and looking stroppy

If he gets his head down till Jan, reckon we would sell him then?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on August 29, 2016, 07:45:55 PM
Not with less than half a season left on his contract.its now or never for us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 29, 2016, 07:53:26 PM
Saido on twitter just with a message to Chadli saying he's a huge signing and he (Saido) is looking forward to playing alongside him (Chadli).

Looks like he's staying....

I wonder if he actually has the balls to go to Europe for a season to screw the club out of his fee?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 29, 2016, 08:06:08 PM
In about 8 weeks time the club will have new owners, Saido doesn't have to do anything until the new owners are in place, once they are & he can have a chat with them about his future, then he can make a decision. We're not bothered about him, why should he be bothered about us. Saido's looking after Saido, can't say I blame him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 29, 2016, 10:43:54 PM
Could be argued it isn't all about the money and him wanting to try to repay the investment in him on the pitch... or would this not suit the predetermined narrative?
He didn't do anything last season and hasn't done anything so far this season yet either, so where's this sudden desire to repay the investment in him come from?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 29, 2016, 10:45:59 PM
He didn't do anything last season and hasn't done anything so far this season yet either, so where's this sudden desire to repay the investment in him come from?

It's a figment of venlos imagination. IE. The exact opposite he thinks the majority want to hear.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on August 29, 2016, 11:15:48 PM
I think as it stands it would be best for him to go, however i know i risk being shot down but maybe he knows he messed up and is genuinely trying to make up for it.

Everyone knows what happened last season and he never got going last season, however since the deadline day drama last year has he done anything massively wrong? I think Pulis said since the turn of the year Saido has been trying to get himself fit, he worked in preseason with his own trainer and everything he tweets about the club is positive.

It could be as some think that he is one big windup merchant or it could be that he is growing up, knows he messed up and is trying, he got rid of his agent who was the main who was representing him last year and since then all i can tell from afar is he trying.

I cannot believe for one minute that he misses chances on purpose, last season he was so off the pace and behind everyone he never got going, this season i think he is trying too hard.

I have some sympathy for him, he messed up a year ago but still gets booed when he comes on, also you can tell the crowd are on his back, there was one incident where he had the ball, he had no Albion player within 30 yards of him, Boro had three players round him and got the ball and people jeered Berahino!

Also if he is playing on running his contract down, surely its in his interest to play well for us until then? Last season it was Spurs, Liverpool and Man United linked, this season its Stoke, Palace and Watford, if he has another rubbish season he will be coming upto mid 20's, with what would be then two poor seasons so i dont think he will be able to command crazy wages anyway.

I think Saido was mainly in the wrong but since Pulis came in with the exception of Rondon now and again, we havent had a striker look any good, maybe that will change with the new arrivals.

The situation needs resolving either way but personally i dont think its the big conspiracy theory of Evil Saido that others do, all about opinions though!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 29, 2016, 11:31:53 PM
I agree that Berahino is undoubtedly trying, but his confidence is shot and he needs a change of environment.  Many will never forgive him for how he behaved last summer, no matter how much he might regret it.  He's never come out and apologised, which of course hasn't helped his cause.

Maybe with the new owners he will wish to start with a clean slate.  His gripe was with JP, not with the club.

One way forward is for to sign a new contract with a new wage commensurate with a £20m player, and with a £20m buy-out clause.  He can then leave whenever any other club meets that price. Surely a win-win all round?   The only stipulation from the club should be that any sale must complete 10 days before the end of the relevant transfer window to provide reasonable time to buy a replacement.

Maybe this is what Pulis was referring to on Sunday about it being resolved this week.  With new owners anything is possible.

Personally, I'd rather he left and started afresh, but a new contract is surely the best alternative.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 29, 2016, 11:33:55 PM
I think as it stands it would be best for him to go, however i know i risk being shot down but maybe he knows he messed up and is genuinely trying to make up for it.

Everyone knows what happened last season and he never got going last season, however since the deadline day drama last year has he done anything massively wrong? I think Pulis said since the turn of the year Saido has been trying to get himself fit, he worked in preseason with his own trainer and everything he tweets about the club is positive.

It could be as some think that he is one big windup merchant or it could be that he is growing up, knows he messed up and is trying, he got rid of his agent who was the main who was representing him last year and since then all i can tell from afar is he trying.

I cannot believe for one minute that he misses chances on purpose, last season he was so off the pace and behind everyone he never got going, this season i think he is trying too hard.

I have some sympathy for him, he messed up a year ago but still gets booed when he comes on, also you can tell the crowd are on his back, there was one incident where he had the ball, he had no Albion player within 30 yards of him, Boro had three players round him and got the ball and people jeered Berahino!

Also if he is playing on running his contract down, surely its in his interest to play well for us until then? Last season it was Spurs, Liverpool and Man United linked, this season its Stoke, Palace and Watford, if he has enough rubbish season he will be coming upto mid 20's, with what would be then two poor seasons so i dont think he will be able to command crazy wages anyway.

I think Saido was mainly in the wrong but since Pulis came in with the exception of Rondon now and again, we havent had a striker look any good, maybe that will change with the new arrivals.

The situation needs resolving either way but personally i dont think its the big conspiracy theory of Evil Saido that others do, all about opinions though!

You won't get shot down by me, I'm with you 100%. I follow Saido on twitter & the only thing that's caused me a bit of a problem recently, is the "like" when Stoke had allegedly made a bid.
Now as someone who's got a PhD in putting his foot in it, just like Saido, I think he engaged thumbs before brain there, but he quickly removed it.
The media don't show his tweets about the hours he spends with his personal skills coach & in the gym.
I was right in front of the incident you described with the 3 Boro players around him, & I could see what he was trying to do, a drag back would have dumied them all, but when I didn't come off he got booed. The fans just won't cut him any slack.
I also think he's trying too hard, but to be honest, if you see some of the rubbish that he has to put up with on twitter, not sure WBA would be my favorite football club either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 30, 2016, 02:07:36 AM
It's a figment of venlos imagination. IE. The exact opposite he thinks the majority want to hear. Troll.
And you continue with your abuse and attempted bullying of people with an opinion different to yours.  ;) Are you TP?
Not on my own either ^^^.
Pulis can do no wrong for you.  I get that. His management of Berahino has been shocking whichever way you look at it. Making Berahino the fall guy doesn't damage Pulis reputation but he had an asset starting to blossom when he arrived and on the fringes of the International scene who now gets booed by his own fans.
(Sorry for going off transfer speculation.  Jackies post led that way)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 30, 2016, 08:19:05 AM
IMO the way Pulis sees things is pretty binary, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Sort yourself out to be included in the solution." It took a while to get Saido to understand that, but now he does.

Pulis sees his job as preparing the team to win football matches, that's all. He's not a nanny or development coach, that role belongs to others.
In my working career, I've had autocratic & democratic bosses, the democratic bosses have been nicer to work for & I have been happy in my job, but the autocratic ones drove far more out of me, than I thought I was capable of.

Back to Saido, if he stays, I think we, the fans, should cut him some slack, but we won't  we'll hound him out, exactly the same as we'll hound Pulis out, because we want our club back.

Except, that in a few weeks time, it won't be an English club any more, it will be Chinese, & be influenced by Chinese culture.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 30, 2016, 08:23:39 AM
IMO the way Pulis sees things is pretty binary, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Sort yourself out to be included in the solution." It took a while to get Saido to understand that, but now he does.
What evidence is there that Berahino understands that?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 30, 2016, 08:26:34 AM
What evidence is there that Berahino understands that?

Pretty sure Pulis has said as much.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 30, 2016, 08:29:45 AM
Pretty sure Pulis has said as much.
Pulis spent all of the second half of last season trying to make out that Berahino's attitude was improving, but it was never reflected in the latter's performances. Do you think Berahino has looked more up for it when playing this season so far than he did last?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 30, 2016, 08:35:24 AM
Pulis spent all of the second half of last season trying to make out that Berahino's attitude was improving, but it was never reflected in the latter's performances. Do you think Berahino has looked more up for it when playing this season so far than he did last?

I think his confidence is shot, he's trying too hard. Not sure if you're a twitter user Worcs, but I follow Saido on twitter. All this talk about him being fat is ********, he's been in the gym bulking up, & he spends hours with a personal coach trying to tone his skills. We seriously need to cut him some slack, then we'll see the real Saido. If we hound him out, like we seem to be doing at the moment, he'll come back to haunt us, you mark my words.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: matt_wba912 on August 30, 2016, 08:44:45 AM
Then Mozza himself made a similar mistake a few games later, doh.

But nobody gave him a legendary punch. Slack.  :-[

It also gets forgotten that after Saido lost the ball at one end their team walked up the length of the pitch through a number of other players including breezing past a certain J. Morrison who made one of the weakest attempts at at a tackle I've seen before getting in the position to score.

Saido should have kept the ball but others were equally, if not more to blame for conceding that goal
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 30, 2016, 08:45:07 AM
I think his confidence is shot, he's trying too hard. Not sure if you're a twitter user Worcs, but I follow Saido on twitter. All this talk about him being fat is ********, he's been in the gym bulking up, & he spends hours with a personal coach trying to tone his skills. We seriously need to cut him some slack, then we'll see the real Saido. If we hound him out, like we seem to be doing at the moment, he'll come back to haunt us, you mark my words.
I don't use Twitter. I prefer to judge him based on what he does on the pitch, rather than what he posts on Twitter. I didn't notice him trying hard, or much at all, in the Middlesbrough game. Things have soured for him here, partly of his own making, so he needs to move on for his own good and ours.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on August 30, 2016, 08:45:51 AM
Its a situation were the club have done nearly as much damage in the relationship as Saido has.

I dont for one second believe he tried to engineer the move away without some postive sounds from the club, how many times have we seen before when we have moved the goalposts, and also look at the Odemwingie saga.

Now I agree Saido hasnt helped the situation at times with his social media posts etc, but you cant deny hes making all the right sounds now, saying hes looking forward to playing with Chadli etc etc.

If he is to stay with us for the remainder of the season, I think hes done a good job by going on holiday for a few days and taking himself away from all the drama of 'is he isnt he' moving.

My only concern with this all now is, hes burnt his bridges with a large majority of fans and some have had enough and just want him out (pretty similar to TP but not as drastic).

Saido could score a hattrick against Chelsea and some fans will stay look at the negatives.

If he is to stay with us, we need to use him, we need to get his mindset right, and main one for me we need to use him in his best position.

As someone has said previously, he seems to be trying to hard, and regardless of who the player is, if your getting booed by your own supporters (which I dont agree with) surely that has a massive knock on effect to your perfomance.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 30, 2016, 08:47:57 AM
I think his confidence is shot, he's trying too hard. Not sure if you're a twitter user Worcs, but I follow Saido on twitter. All this talk about him being fat is ********, he's been in the gym bulking up, & he spends hours with a personal coach trying to tone his skills. We seriously need to cut him some slack, then we'll see the real Saido. If we hound him out, like we seem to be doing at the moment, he'll come back to haunt us, you mark my words.

Judging on what I've seen so far he needs to sack the coach and replace him with one that knows what he's doing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on August 30, 2016, 08:51:04 AM
I think his confidence is shot, he's trying too hard. Not sure if you're a twitter user Worcs, but I follow Saido on twitter. All this talk about him being fat is ********, he's been in the gym bulking up, & he spends hours with a personal coach trying to tone his skills. We seriously need to cut him some slack, then we'll see the real Saido. If we hound him out, like we seem to be doing at the moment, he'll come back to haunt us, you mark my words.
I agree, a combination of him trying too hard (whether to win our fans over, or earn a move, who knows) and the fact that he is playing in a position he doesn't really suit or understand, is knocking his confidence.

That's just my opinion though and I can't blame people for thinking he is just acting up like a spoiled brat. Because of his history, he has brought it on himself, unfortunately.

Personally I think it's better for all parties that he moves on but it is a real shame. I would have loved him, as a home grown talent, to have set the world alight.  :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 30, 2016, 08:52:12 AM
Judging on what I've seen so far he needs to sack the coach and replace him with one that knows what he's doing



 :) :) :) :) :) :) :)Except he's one that all the top pro's use. You just can't coach confidence.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 30, 2016, 08:54:40 AM
My only concern with this all now is, hes burnt his bridges with a large majority of fans and some have had enough and just want him out (pretty similar to TP but not as drastic).
As fans at games aren't audibly booing Pulis, I'd suggest the situation with Berahino is more drastic. Based on what Berahino's done in the past 18 months, all I can see happening if he stays is that he'll run the clock down to when his contract runs out, using minimal effort, and then ride off into the sunset.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on August 30, 2016, 09:09:57 AM
As fans at games aren't audibly booing Pulis, I'd suggest the situation with Berahino is more drastic. Based on what Berahino's done in the past 18 months, all I can see happening if he stays is that he'll run the clock down to when his contract runs out, using minimal effort, and then ride off into the sunset.
People aren't booing Pulis because, in the main, they respect what he's trying to do, even if they loathe his playing style, myself included.
That's why all this reference to "Pulis-haters" does my head in. I don't think anyone hates him per se, they just hate his approach. No-one really argues it gets results.

Saido on the other hand has disrespected the club and the fans in the past and so has lost our respect.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 30, 2016, 09:21:19 AM


 :) :) :) :) :) :) :)Except he's one that all the top pro's use. You just can't coach confidence.

Playing him in his natural position would be a great start to rebuilding his confidence. He's just not a number 10.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 30, 2016, 09:25:50 AM
Playing him in his natural position would be a great start to rebuilding his confidence. He's just not a number 10.

Not so sure confidence is the issue with him, psychologically I just don't think he wants to be here so the motivation to play and do well just isn't really there. He's played well in that slightly deeper role and out wide prior to his meltdown last summer so it isn't all down to the position he's playing although as an out and out striker I admit it certainly won't help him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ian66 on August 30, 2016, 09:42:18 AM
Playing him in his natural position would be a great start to rebuilding his confidence. He's just not a number 10.
Agree with that. Saido has bought a lot on his self but since Pulis has been in charge his lost that spark which being played out of position is to blame.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 30, 2016, 09:46:52 AM
Agree with that. Saido has bought a lot on his self but since Pulis has been in charge his lost that spark which being played out of position is to blame.

He's been played in that deeper position and out wide before and still had a spark, its not just a simple change in position that has seen him offer virtually nothing on the pitch.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 30, 2016, 09:51:11 AM
Playing him in his natural position would be a great start to rebuilding his confidence. He's just not a number 10.

No he isn't.
He's a proper Number 2  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ian66 on August 30, 2016, 09:51:32 AM
He's been played in that deeper position and out wide before and still had a spark, its not just a simple change in position that has seen him offer virtually nothing on the pitch.
Don't totally disagree with your comment. But as a terrific finisher and the best finisher we have at the club, it must be very disheartening for him to be pushed out of his preferred role.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 30, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
Don't totally disagree with your comment. But as a terrific finisher and the best finisher we have at the club, it must be very disheartening for him to be pushed out of his preferred role.

Yet he did well out of position before, I agree he's an out and out striker and that playing out of position doesn't help him but I don't think it is the main reason for his alarming drop in form.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ian66 on August 30, 2016, 09:56:42 AM
Yet he did well out of position before, I agree he's an out and out striker and that playing out of position doesn't help him but I don't think it is the main reason for his alarming drop in form.
If you look at my first post I did say that his bought a lot if this on his self with all the off field stuff. But playing out of position has added to it...so we agree then B_H Baggie  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 30, 2016, 09:59:30 AM
Don't totally disagree with your comment. But as a terrific finisher and the best finisher we have at the club, it must be very disheartening for him to be pushed out of his preferred role.

We did the same with Odemwingie. Moved him to accommodate Long. I agree Saido is the best finisher we have so needs to be playing up top. I don't recall seeing too many games with him playing deeper or wide where I have thought he's looked that good.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 30, 2016, 10:55:43 AM
The main reason for his drop in form is, shockingly enough, because he hasn't been arsed for 18 months.

How can people continue to support him? It's alarming how much loyalty people will show a lad who has shown us none, completely downed tools when he didn't get the move that was only in Tottenham's favour due to the way they tried to structure the payments.

Take Sunday in isolation, his attitude all day stunk, came out late at half time to do a half arsed warm up and only serve to disrupt the other subs warm ups then came on and managed to merely give the ball away time and time again. It doesn't matter what position he was playing on Sunday, or any other game this season thus far for that matter, he exhibited no basic skills of a professional footballer.

Get him gone for the love of God.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 30, 2016, 12:18:54 PM
The main reason for his drop in form is, shockingly enough, because he hasn't been arsed for 18 months.

How can people continue to support him? It's alarming how much loyalty people will show a lad who has shown us none, completely downed tools when he didn't get the move that was only in Tottenham's favour due to the way they tried to structure the payments.

Take Sunday in isolation, his attitude all day stunk, came out late at half time to do a half arsed warm up and only serve to disrupt the other subs warm ups then came on and managed to merely give the ball away time and time again. It doesn't matter what position he was playing on Sunday, or any other game this season thus far for that matter, he exhibited no basic skills of a professional footballer.

Get him gone for the love of God.

If Saido's still an Albion player in36 hours time, I would say you're going to have a problem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 30, 2016, 12:23:28 PM
If Saido's still an Albion player in36 hours time, I would say you're going to have a problem.
It'll be Albion who have the bigger problem.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 30, 2016, 04:09:02 PM
The main reason for his drop in form is, shockingly enough, because he hasn't been arsed for 18 months.

How can people continue to support him? It's alarming how much loyalty people will show a lad who has shown us none, completely downed tools when he didn't get the move that was only in Tottenham's favour due to the way they tried to structure the payments.

Take Sunday in isolation, his attitude all day stunk, came out late at half time to do a half arsed warm up and only serve to disrupt the other subs warm ups then came on and managed to merely give the ball away time and time again. It doesn't matter what position he was playing on Sunday, or any other game this season thus far for that matter, he exhibited no basic skills of a professional footballer.

Get him gone for the love of God.

How do you know pulis wasn't talking to him? which would be a reason he came out late (pulis grabbed him and said somthing to him as they came back out for the second half... im guessing to do with coming on seen as he was warming up from the 52nd minute).

He lost the ball once whilst surrounded by 3 boro players and no west brom player in sight helping out... then shortly after he got the ball in our own half, ran into the other half and made a good pass getting us into their box (cant remember who to but they lost it).

You say 'How can people continue to support him? It's alarming how much loyalty people will show a lad who has shown us none', Its just the same as people finding silly little things to moan about when a number of people have noticed he's been putting effort in recently.

Like someone else mentioned, giving him grief and booing him will only have one effect and thats make him play poor.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 30, 2016, 05:06:03 PM
It'll be Albion who have the bigger problem.....

Still hoping above hope we have some quality lined up and we can simultaneously ship him out and wave him good bye (not sure with how many figures though!).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 31, 2016, 10:11:03 AM
Its only the fans who are salking... he's loving life on his holiday, picking up a generous wage.

I think you will find it is Saido sulking around the place......he goes on holiday for a break after 3 games of the season?? he should be doing extra training not holidaying to rid himself of the legend he has accumulated over the last 18 months of doing nothing or working on on how to head a ball, much better use of his time for picking up a 'generous wage'

Him going on holiday at this moment in time is the last thing he should be doing

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 31, 2016, 10:12:20 AM
I think you will find it is Saido sulking around the place......he goes on holiday for a break after 3 games of the season?? he should be doing extra training not holidaying to rid himself of the legend he has accumulated over the last 18 months of doing nothing or working on on how to head a ball, much better use of his time for picking up a 'generous wage'

Him going on holiday at this moment in time is the last thing he should be doing

Sadly there is no point in you wasting your breath. Some will support him regardless of what he does.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 31, 2016, 10:14:43 AM
Sorry wasn't aware footballers are not allowed holidays whilst the international break is on and they are not playing for their countries.

Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 31, 2016, 10:15:46 AM
Sorry wasn't aware footballers are not allowed holidays whilst the international break is on and they are not playing for their countries.

Ridiculous.


Haha Fritzl was right
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 31, 2016, 10:22:11 AM
Sorry wasn't aware footballers are not allowed holidays whilst the international break is on and they are not playing for their countries.

Ridiculous.

I didnt say they couldn't go on holiday..no one did, so stop putting words in peoples mouths and then claiming it to be ridiculous.

the simple fact is, he doesnt look fit, he doesnt look sharp, he is paid a handsome wage to be at his best which he quite clearly isn't and the last thing he should be doing 3 games into the season is going on holiday when he should working hard to get back to a decent level of fitness, weight and sharpness.

If you cant see that then quite obvious you will defend him for any old reason. Lots of players on international break....dont see too many of them on holiday or splashing it over social media.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 31, 2016, 10:23:21 AM
Sorry wasn't aware footballers are not allowed holidays whilst the international break is on and they are not playing for their countries.

Ridiculous.

Also are any of us seriously surprised he is probably going to stay again. Why would clubs go in for him when there are far far far better strikers available at much better value.

Wouldn't be too surprised if he ends up signing for a championship club after his contract runs down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 31, 2016, 10:27:36 AM
I didnt say they couldn't go on holiday..no one did, so stop putting words in peoples mouths and then claiming it to be ridiculous.

the simple fact is, he doesnt look fit, he doesnt look sharp, he is paid a handsome wage to be at his best which he quite clearly isn't and the last thing he should be doing 3 games into the season is going on holiday when he should working hard to get back to a decent level of fitness, weight and sharpness.

If you cant see that then quite obvious you will defend him for any old reason. Lots of players on international break....dont see too many of them on holiday or splashing it over social media.

Not fit and you mention his weight?

If you actually took notice instead of looking for things to cry about you would see that he is fit and he's not fat...  he's been constantly training extra sessions with some trainer that all the top players use (not saying he's a top player).

He's also bulked him ... which is muscle not fat.

Feel free to tell me how wrong I am but atleast make sure your right about what you say first.

It's a mixture of out of position and form with him regards to how poor he's playing which Is sorted by playing matches not training.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 31, 2016, 10:31:36 AM
Not fit and you mention his weight?

If you actually took notice instead of looking for things to cry about you would see that he is fit and he's not fat...  he's been constantly training extra sessions with some trainer that all the top players use (not saying he's a top player).

He's also bulked him ... which is muscle not fat.

Feel free to tell me how wrong I am but atleast make sure your right about what you say first.

It's a mixture of out of position and form with him regards to how poor he's playing which Is sorted by playing matches not training.

What are you on about??

Do you honestly think he is fit, looking sharp etc? I don't...

He looks overweight, if he has bulked up with muscle I would suggest he stops doing weights and concentrates on cardio
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 31, 2016, 10:34:08 AM
What are you on about??

Do you honestly think he is fit, looking sharp etc? I don't...

He looks overweight, if he has bulked up with muscle I would suggest he stops doing weights and concentrates on cardio

How can someone look 100% In a position they are not comfortable in?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 31, 2016, 10:35:48 AM
Not fit and you mention his weight?

If you actually took notice instead of looking for things to cry about you would see that he is fit and he's not fat...  he's been constantly training extra sessions with some trainer that all the top players use (not saying he's a top player).

He's also bulked him ... which is muscle not fat.

Feel free to tell me how wrong I am but atleast make sure your right about what you say first.

It's a mixture of out of position and form with him regards to how poor he's playing which Is sorted by playing matches not training.

You are not wrong. You are 100% right. It's just that lots of supporters hold a vendetta against him and will slaughter him even if he breathes the "wrong" way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 31, 2016, 10:36:21 AM
How anyone can say Berahino has looked sharp is beyond me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 31, 2016, 10:36:44 AM
How anyone can say Berahino has looked sharp is beyond me.

Who said he looked sharp?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 31, 2016, 10:37:14 AM
How can someone look 100% In a position they are not comfortable in?

Where did anyone say he has to look 100% in every position??

No one did....but at the very least for such a 'generous wage' he should be giving 100%...again something he isnt doing.

Its no surprise clubs are moving on from him now and looking elsewhere

Ill just keep finding something to cry about over him  ::) :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 31, 2016, 10:38:40 AM
I meant looked fit.

There's a hell of a lot of fans who see supporting Saido as an anti Pulis protest.

In reality he's given nothing to this club, and the sooner he's gone the better in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 31, 2016, 11:03:16 AM
Isn't there a game this weekend?

If so, why is he on holiday then...its not half term he should be training and begging to get games to sort his form and fitness out
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 31, 2016, 11:05:19 AM
Isn't there a game this weekend?

If so, why is he on holiday then...its not half term he should be training and begging to get games to sort his form and fitness out

I read that TP allowed all playing staff a few days off, back training tomorrow I think.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 31, 2016, 11:06:04 AM
Have to agree with adamw1109 regarding the extra training he puts in and posted the same last season. He is fit not fat. The lad has far more talent than many here would suggest too. Just needs games in his favoured position to sharpen him up and he can be as good as he wants to be. I think the last point is the most telling.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 31, 2016, 11:15:23 AM
Seems like the people blindly defending him no matter what are doing it because 'he wears the stripes' or 'hes still one of us'

Personally I don't get this argument at all.

As far as i'm concerned if the football club I like is paying you more in 2 weeks than I earn in a whole year to play a 90 minute game once a week, then any support and respect needs to be earned and not just handed on a plate.

(This applies to everyone, not just Saido)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 31, 2016, 11:22:36 AM
Seems like the people blindly defending him no matter what are doing it because 'he wears the stripes' or 'hes still one of us'

Personally I don't get this argument at all.

As far as i'm concerned if the football club I like is paying you more in 2 weeks than I earn in a whole year to play a 90 minute game once a week, then any support and respect needs to be earned and not just handed on a plate.

(This applies to everyone, not just Saido)

If you're referring to me then I am not blindly defending him, just stating that I agree with some of what adamw1109 had to say. I know he's been a tw@t and there's no need to remind me of the gulf between player and supporter earnings. The exorbitant amounts which players are paid absolutely disgusts me, and has almost led to me leaving professional football behind completely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 31, 2016, 11:25:00 AM
If you're referring to me then I am not blindly defending him, just stating that I agree with some of what adamw1109 had to say. I know he's been a tw@t and there's no need to remind me of the gulf between player and supporter earnings. The exorbitant amounts which players are paid absolutely disgusts me, and has almost led to me leaving professional football behind completely.

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular so apologise if I caused any offence by my opening comment. I completely agree with the disgust though
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 31, 2016, 11:32:40 AM
SmethDan, appreciate your points and there are always two sides to every debate.

Time will tell as to whether he can 'sharpen' up sufficiently, but I would have said if he cannot use a whole pre season to get to the point whereby he can control a ball and not continuously lose it then how much time can you really give him? He started virtually all the pre season games and started the first two games of the season and exhibited nothing to show that he was good enough to start or that his heart was in it to me.

I just say it as I see it with him. He said all those months back now that he would never play for JP again, and thus far he has remained true to his word. Whether he can get back to the player he seemed to be becoming at a different club I do not know, but for everyone concerned he needs to be sold and a clean break be there for all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 31, 2016, 11:33:23 AM
I wasn't referring to anyone in particular so apologise if I caused any offence by my opening comment. I completely agree with the disgust though

No worries chap  8) .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 31, 2016, 11:42:00 AM
if he was that good then another premiership club would want him, looks like we will be left with him again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 11:43:37 AM
Seems like the people blindly defending him no matter what are doing it because 'he wears the stripes' or 'hes still one of us'

Personally I don't get this argument at all.

As far as i'm concerned if the football club I like is paying you more in 2 weeks than I earn in a whole year to play a 90 minute game once a week, then any support and respect needs to be earned and not just handed on a plate.

(This applies to everyone, not just Saido)


I don't get the alternative argument,
Footballers are paid what they're paid, it's the rate for the job, just the same as film stars, pop stars etc. I don't even try to compare what a footballer/pop star/film star earns in comparison to me. If you want to make a comparison. Compare footballers/pop stars/film stars, with loads of talent ,with well known celebs, who only claim to fame is an IQ less than 80 & big t*ts.

Turning now to compare Saido's actions to other players we have had. Nicolas Anelka, Chose to use WBA as a billboard for his political beliefs, Peter Odemwingie, chose to repeatedly defile WBA & it's owner on twitter, chose not to observe transfer protocol & drove himself down to QPR, chose to be interviewed on global TV & used the term "WE" in connection with a move to said club when the move had not been sanctioned by either club. The above are two examples where former players have chosen to disrespect our club, & yet some members of this forum would have Odemwingie back in a flash.
Saido is convinced he is capable of playing at a higher level, personally I share his view, but he's not been very smart in actually getting there. This season, I believe TP has given him an opportunity to redeem himself & by and large I happen to think he's doing that, but when your confidence is low, you try too hard & you tend not to get the breaks.
I've said before, for me, I'd cut him some slack, but I'm in the minority, & I believe the fans will drive him away. The question then is, what kind of message does that give to other budding academy players ( we're already turning on Jonathon Leko), & other players we're trying to attract
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 31, 2016, 12:09:07 PM
Have to agree with adamw1109 regarding the extra training he puts in and posted the same last season. He is fit not fat. The lad has far more talent than many here would suggest too. Just needs games in his favoured position to sharpen him up and he can be as good as he wants to be. I think the last point is the most telling.

Ive seen that he does some extra training.....

I don't see a fit player when i see him on the pitch though myself, perhaps he is fit and therefore is just lacking in the basics of effort and application.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 31, 2016, 12:18:38 PM
Ive seen that he does some extra training.....

I don't see a fit player when i see him on the pitch though myself, perhaps he is fit and therefore is just lacking in the basics of effort and application.

This plus the fact that he's been played in a position where he is no good. If he wasn't fit then he'd be nowhere near a Pulis side.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2016, 12:32:42 PM
if he can get his head right and certain members dont boo him you never know, we could get a season out of him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 31, 2016, 12:41:42 PM
if he can get his head right and certain members dont boo him you never know, we could get a season out of him
What might happen if:

a) He doesn't leave
b) It subsequently comes to light that we would have accepted a deal for him but he refused to go
c) Not generating the money from selling him prevented us from doing other deals?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 31, 2016, 01:08:02 PM
I really do think we've missed a trick in not selling him and replacing him this summer. I cannot see him settling, getting his head down and scoring a few goals simply because he hasn't done this for 18months. I also cannot see some fans ever forgiving him (that seems clear from some on here). Personally, if he started scoring and working his b@lls off I wouldn't care  but I just can't see it...............

Maybe with one or two better players around him he might have more chances to score but he's looked like Luke Moore recently rather than the young Ian Wright he used to be compared with before Pulis came in?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 31, 2016, 01:19:59 PM
Bony has signed on loan for Stoke, but SSN have Dominic Cork (obviously on loan for the day) covering Stoke and he said 10 mins ago that he's hearing that Stoke signing Bony doesn't mean they've given up yet on Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on August 31, 2016, 01:40:27 PM
Bony has signed on loan for Stoke, but SSN have Dominic Cork (obviously on loan for the day) covering Stoke and he said 10 mins ago that he's hearing that Stoke signing Bony doesn't mean they've given up yet on Berahino.
Is a swap for Walters plus cash still possible?  I know he's getting on, but he and Pulis are old comrades, and he could do a good job for us for a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: slate on August 31, 2016, 02:07:41 PM
'Berahino to remain a Baggie'

Simon Stone
BBC Sport
Posted at
14:03
It seems Saido Berahino won’t be leaving West Brom today.

Stoke had been interested in the England Under-21 striker.

But Berahino wanted to move at the start of pre-season, when West Brom weren’t willing to sell.

And as the transfer window has dragged on, it has appeared increasingly likely Berahino would remain at the Hawthorns.

As I understand it, that is exactly what will happen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 31, 2016, 02:09:33 PM
'Berahino to remain a Baggie'

Simon Stone
BBC Sport
Posted at
14:03
It seems Saido Berahino won’t be leaving West Brom today.

Stoke had been interested in the England Under-21 striker.

But Berahino wanted to move at the start of pre-season, when West Brom weren’t willing to sell.

And as the transfer window has dragged on, it has appeared increasingly likely Berahino would remain at the Hawthorns.

As I understand it, that is exactly what will happen.

Biggest mistake of the transfer window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 31, 2016, 02:19:22 PM
Biggest mistake of the transfer window.

That's an understatement
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on August 31, 2016, 02:19:48 PM
Bony has signed on loan for Stoke, but SSN have Dominic Cork (obviously on loan for the day) covering Stoke and he said 10 mins ago that he's hearing that Stoke signing Bony doesn't mean they've given up yet on Berahino.

I will book half days holiday and drive him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on August 31, 2016, 02:24:32 PM
I guess we are stubbornly refusing to shift on our transfer fee demands. False economy, in my view. We don't want him and he doesn't want to be here. Why haggle over a million or two when we could lose out on £20m if he moves abroad?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on August 31, 2016, 02:29:28 PM
If there's one thing more boring than our style of play it's Berahinho and this bloody saga. The sooner he goes the better he's like a dark cloud permanently hanging over the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: orville on August 31, 2016, 02:31:50 PM
For all the use he is we should stick him on gardening leave and let him rot
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on August 31, 2016, 02:37:57 PM
Probably going to stay ay he.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 31, 2016, 02:39:46 PM
Close the thread again for goodness sake.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pie on August 31, 2016, 04:51:40 PM
some ex "super agent" on sky sports says he has heard that a player aged under 24 is the subject of a transfer between two english clubs (in the region of £20-£30m) that has broken down. He says in this case the chances are the player will go abroad for a tiny fee in comparison in January then come back to England in the summer, thus the selling club loses out massively.

My first thought was Berahino if this has any truth to it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on August 31, 2016, 04:53:51 PM
some ex "super agent" on sky sports says he has heard that a player aged under 24 is the subject of a transfer between two english clubs (in the region of £20-£30m) that has broken down. He says in this case the chances are the player will go abroad for a tiny fee in comparison in January then come back to England in the summer, thus the selling club loses out massively.

My first thought was Berahino if this has any truth to it.
He knows what he's doing IMO,a dagger to the heart if Albion by this spiteful little brat
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on August 31, 2016, 04:54:19 PM
Interesting chat with an agent just on SSN, An agent talking about a young british player under 24 who was meant to have a transfer between two English teams, says due to move essentially breaking down the player won't be going for £20-30m anymore but will go abroad in January for 500k or so due to contract situation before being transferred back to England next summer, could be Saido?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 31, 2016, 04:56:51 PM
Interesting chat with an agent just on SSN, An agent talking about a young british player under 24 who was meant to have a transfer between two English teams, says due to move essentially breaking down the player won't be going for £20-30m anymore but will go abroad in January for 500k or so due to contract situation before being transferred back to England next summer, could be Saido?

Most likely, wouldn't surprise me and don't blame them. £20m down the drain. Absolute shambles.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 31, 2016, 04:57:07 PM
Interesting chat with an agent just on SSN, An agent talking about a young british player under 24 who was meant to have a transfer between two English teams, says due to move essentially breaking down the player won't be going for £20-30m anymore but will go abroad in January for 500k or so due to contract situation before being transferred back to England next summer, could be Saido?

Was my first thought as well
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 31, 2016, 04:58:08 PM
Saido screw us over in such a manner? Surely not  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alwaysbilly on August 31, 2016, 04:59:41 PM
some ex "super agent" on sky sports says he has heard that a player aged under 24 is the subject of a transfer between two english clubs (in the region of £20-£30m) that has broken down. He says in this case the chances are the player will go abroad for a tiny fee in comparison in January then come back to England in the summer, thus the selling club loses out massively.

My first thought was Berahino if this has any truth to it.
yes me too - stoke will get him in 18 months for around £3m
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2016, 05:00:03 PM
simple we dont let him go until the summer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 31, 2016, 05:01:14 PM
Of course he knows what he is doing.

imagine he joins a European club though and they refuse to let him leave also.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on August 31, 2016, 05:01:46 PM
Couldn't we just block a move in January like we have every window and take the tribunal when he leaves on a free?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 31, 2016, 05:02:30 PM
Of course he knows what he is doing.

imagine he joins a European club though and they refuse to let him leave also.....

Think the talk was him joining Stokes sister team Orlando City, so that will not be an issue. We are screwed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2016, 05:02:41 PM
Couldn't we just block a move in January like we have every window and take the tribunal when he leaves on a free?


exactly what i said
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on August 31, 2016, 05:03:58 PM

exactly what i said

Oh yeah so you did - seems the logical thing to do though right?!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 31, 2016, 05:04:04 PM
Couldn't we just block a move in January like we have every window and take the tribunal when he leaves on a free?

I believe soon to be free agents can talk to clubs 6 months prior to contact ending, hence why he will agree the move in January. We will get very little.. like 500k if he moves abroad from tribunal.

I think the idea is that he joins Stokes sister team, Orlando City for 500k then Stoke take him off them for basically nout. Berahino gets to pocket a heft signing on fee for doing it and we get zilch.

You can understand why he has been so happy recently and carefree, its probably already sorted. He will take some of the fee Stoke were prepared to give us as a signing on fee.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on August 31, 2016, 05:04:38 PM
Sell him,saack him, get rid of him!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on August 31, 2016, 05:05:08 PM
Couldn't we just block a move in January like we have every window and take the tribunal when he leaves on a free?

Not if he goes abroad - you only get a tribunal if its a domestic move
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 31, 2016, 05:06:30 PM
We only have ourselves to blame for this one. What a shambles we are.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2016, 05:07:15 PM
things couldnt get any worse today
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggysean on August 31, 2016, 05:07:51 PM
Interesting mention of Orlando City who have Anthony Pulis as head coach.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 31, 2016, 05:10:21 PM
Interesting mention of Orlando City who have Anthony Pulis as head coach.

Can do it with any club with a sister foreign team, he was linked with Watford.. wonder why. Udinese -> Watford.

He will be pocketing some serious money as a joining fee.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 05:14:56 PM
West Brom appears to be a centre of excellence in conspiracy theories, is it possible to take a degree at the local college?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 31, 2016, 05:18:05 PM
West Brom appears to be a centre of excellence in conspiracy theories, is it possible to take a degree at the local college?

Obviously its not set in stone, just seems to make sense after that agent talked about it on Sky Sports.

Hopefully a club will come in for him today and we don't have this potential mess to deal with later.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 31, 2016, 05:19:46 PM
West Brom appears to be a centre of excellence in conspiracy theories, is it possible to take a degree at the local college?

Would hardly call it a conspiracy theory. It has been the clear way forward as soon as we didn't let him go in January. Best way for him to get revenge? Run his contract down, move abroad and leave us with nothing at the end of it.

Of course some fans think the sun shines out of the lads backside and he can do no wrong. We have only ourselves to blame when it happens.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 05:25:01 PM
Obviously its not set in stone, just seems to make sense after that agent talked about it on Sky Sports.

Hopefully a club will come in for him today and we don't have this potential mess to deal with later.

This is Sky Sports day of the year, it's really easy to get a so-called agent to make up a story about a might be player. You read the same comments every day in the Astrology section of a newspaper.

Here's one just as good. Saido has a chat with TP following the change of ownership, TP says I'm hoping to get some really good players in the transfer window, stay till Christmas & work hard & see how you feel then. If you still want to leave, I'll do all I can to help.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 31, 2016, 05:26:00 PM
Obviously its not set in stone, just seems to make sense after that agent talked about it on Sky Sports.

Hopefully a club will come in for him today and we don't have this potential mess to deal with later.

I don't think he would go now anyway, he has everything to gain by staying. I wonder if Mr Lai understands this situation, perhaps the club price has now dropped by £20m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 31, 2016, 05:28:37 PM
I don't think he would go now anyway, he has everything to gain by staying. I wonder if Mr Lai understands this situation, perhaps the club price has now dropped by £20m.

Agreed, Its not just him.. his agent will be making an absolute killing from this type of deal too. They know that clubs were willing to pay around £20m~ for Saido. Alot of this money will go to Saido and his agent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 31, 2016, 05:34:25 PM
This is Sky Sports day of the year, it's really easy to get a so-called agent to make up a story about a might be player. You read the same comments every day in the Astrology section of a newspaper.

Here's one just as good. Saido has a chat with TP following the change of ownership, TP says I'm hoping to get some really good players in the transfer window, stay till Christmas & work hard & see how you feel then. If you still want to leave, I'll do all I can to help.

Not sure the world is such a rosy place, the Berahino situation is an agents wet dream.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on August 31, 2016, 05:35:54 PM
Not sure the world is such a rosy place, the Berahino situation is an agents wet dream.

It's a credible as all the conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kanu on August 31, 2016, 07:05:53 PM
Some reports saying he's back in UK an hour ago and he's being sold?
Hope not personally, really think Pulis will play him and he'll get back to his best when the windows shut.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on August 31, 2016, 07:11:46 PM
Some reports saying he's back in UK an hour ago and he's being sold?
Hope not personally, really think Pulis will play him and he'll get back to his best when the windows shut.

Give us some links to these reports then chap
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on August 31, 2016, 07:13:15 PM
Some reports saying he's back in UK an hour ago and he's being sold?
Hope not personally, really think Pulis will play him and he'll get back to his best when the windows shut.

I can well believe he's back in the UK....he'd be the complete 'Mr Ignorant' if he wasn't at least positioned to evaluate a potential pay day.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on August 31, 2016, 07:25:01 PM
We need to have Rondon and Berahino as competition not playing with each other. One coming off the bench for the other. That way, even if Saido is always a sub he'll be playing as a centre forward and not in the bloody number 10 role which doesn't suit him. That'll see a dramatic improvement in his form in my humble.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on August 31, 2016, 07:35:53 PM
Well, he is staying so we may as well accept that and try to back him while he is playing for ua.

If we back him, he might perform better and that will help us. As it stands, he will be our only "nippy, mobile" striker once again, and in a team devoid of any creativity, we will have to rely on him again.

Well done Pulis, Hammond and co, another well executed saga.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 31, 2016, 07:40:31 PM
Well, he is staying so we may as well accept that and try to back him while he is playing for ua.

If we back him, he might perform better and that will help us. As it stands, he will be our only "nippy, mobile" striker once again, and in a team devoid of any creativity, we will have to rely on him again.

Well done Pulis, Hammond and co, another well executed saga.

Most of us have backed him right up until the Northampton debacle where it became clear that he couldn't even cut it at that level.
Now I'm just sick of his moody face blighting our club and wasting his talent.
That ''nippy, mobile" striker seems to have disappeared for ever (at least in an Albion shirt).

We cannot rely upon him so need a quality striker in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 31, 2016, 08:48:02 PM
As well as just stating that Robson-Kanu looks like being the club's last signing of the window, the Sky reporter (Pete Colley?) also said that one piece of good news for Albion fans is that Berahino is staying  :-X  >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 31, 2016, 08:51:59 PM
Stuck with this disrespected waster then...........................sad sad night that we might just look back at to say that the non ambition virtually sealed relegation.

Oh wait, Tone might pull off ten 1-0 ers in front of a near empty stadium and we can take the next pot of Prem gold next year !!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 31, 2016, 09:03:17 PM
Should have got shot of him, when Stoke first came calling at the beginning of the window.
20 million better than bugger all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on August 31, 2016, 09:28:29 PM
It would be nice if there was a bit of clarity from the club about why bids have been rejected for Berahino and why they think it is more advantageous for us to not sell him when we had decent offers. Usually, I would not suggest this, but there is clearly a disconnect between the player and the fans already, so I think it would only show a minimum amount of respect to give an honest explanation of the situation. Especially when we are on the verge of a terrible end to another transfer window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 31, 2016, 09:31:00 PM
We have been outplayed by Berahino, he has won.

Let say he pockets a £5m signing on fee (and does the move to foreign club then back to England), and that's pretty low considering clubs willing to spend £20m on him.

That's equivalent to 100k / week PLUS his current salary from us on top. Him sitting on holiday relaxing is potentially earning him 100k+/week right now.

The more I think about it he would be absolute mad to join another club this window, is he going to get better than 100k+ week..? that's also at the low end. You can see why he turned down a contract from us and is willing to wait it out. He is loving it right now, so his is agent who is also set to make a killing.

So unless a club is willing to offer us £20m and him £130k+ week, honestly he is better off just waiting it out and taking a massive pay packet in January.

We are now left with a player that is going to be more interested in not getting injured, than playing for us. If he gets seriously injured its potentially screwed for him. 

He might just even join a club like Leipzig that are investing big money in British talent like Burke.

If we let him rot in the reserves he won't care.. he will keep him self fit and still get his mega pay day deal along with his agent. Leaving him out will actually help him, because lets face it he has been absolute dire for a while now.

What a messed up situation that has potentially cost the club so dearly. Big big mistake.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on August 31, 2016, 09:39:29 PM
The players will always win though. The point is, if we give in to players every time they throw a strop, we will always lose. You have to make a stand. You win some, you lose some. I feel we could have played this one better, definitely. He should have been gone a long time ago with money in our pocket.

At the end of the day though, we didn't pay a transfer fee for him, he scored us some important goals, and now he'll urine off eventually for a tribunal fee or something. It could be worse.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 31, 2016, 09:41:22 PM
The players will always win though. The point is, if we give in to players every time they throw a strop, we will always lose. You have to make a stand. You win some, you lose some. I feel we could have played this one better, definitely. He should have been gone a long time ago with money in our pocket.

At the end of the day though, we didn't pay a transfer fee for him, he scored us some important goals, and now he'll urine off eventually for a tribunal fee or something. It could be worse.

400k tribunal fee I believe it is. Its just frustrating we have lost a potential £20m player this way. £20m would have helped the club quite a bit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 31, 2016, 09:51:22 PM

The £20m is almost irrelevant.  The far bigger problem is a couldn't-care-less striker going through the motions all season (he might sign a pre-contract in January but he will be here till the end of the season unless a club which appeals to him wants to buy him in January).

I will never understand why we didn't sell him a month ago to Stoke for £20m and backed ourselves to sign a replacement.  On the other hand.....we may well have failed to sign anyone and we'd have one fewer striker than we've even got now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on August 31, 2016, 09:52:25 PM
An agent on bbc radio 5 live suggesting a player under 24 who currently plays in the premier league will be signing for a forgien club in January and will then be transferred back to the premier league in the summer for a fee around 6 mill.

He was asked if it was Berahino and he just laughed.

Said the selling club have faffed and its their own fault.

safe to say Berahino is laughing at us all the way to the bank.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on August 31, 2016, 09:54:51 PM
I think the problem overseas is that we DIDN'T back ourselves to get a replacement, as we have proved this summer. The club are a shambles and are still bumbling around in place where nobody has overall control over transfers, and certainly nobody who knows what they are doing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 31, 2016, 09:54:56 PM
The £20m is almost irrelevant.  The far bigger problem is a couldn't-care-less striker going through the motions all season (he might sign a pre-contract in January but he will be here till the end of the season unless a club which appeals to him wants to buy him in January).

I will never understand why we didn't sell him a month ago to Stoke for £20m and backed ourselves to sign a replacement.  On the other hand.....we may well have failed to sign anyone and we'd have one fewer striker than we've even got now

That would been opportunity, we should have done it even if we didn't have a replacement. Maybe the takeover didn't help with the decisions making process, Peace probably just swept it under the rug because he knew it would be someone else's problem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 31, 2016, 09:56:21 PM
An agent on bbc radio 5 live suggesting a player under 24 who currently plays in the premier league will be signing for a forgien club in January and will then be transferred back to the premier league in the summer for a fee around 6 mill.

He was asked if it was Berahino and he just laughed.

Said the selling club have faffed and its their own fault.

safe to say Berahino is laughing at us all the way to the bank.

He is, my estimate of £5m signing on fee is pretty low... he could even be doubling that. Around 200k /week in wages... sheesh.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 31, 2016, 09:57:19 PM
There's an agent talking on Five Live at the moment about a player who's under 24 less than a year on contract and is English and had 2 clubs chasing him this summer (obviously Berahino) saying how the player will probably leave for Europe in the summer spend a summer there, both himself and the agent will pocket a massive signing on fee and then move back to England the summer after for a big fee meaning the European club and the player then pockets even more money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on August 31, 2016, 09:58:20 PM
400k tribunal fee I believe it is. Its just frustrating we have lost a potential £20m player this way. £20m would have helped the club quite a bit.

Isn't that for the youngsters plucked from youth systems?

As far as I'm aware Berahino's new club (if British) will have to pay a tribunal fee set  with regards to current market values. I'm not suggesting that the tribunal would set it to 20 million, but I'd guess we would be looking at 10 million plus. I'm guessing that's why we are willing to let him run his contract down. But, you're welcome to show me evidence otherwise ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on August 31, 2016, 10:00:03 PM
Isn't that for the youngsters plucked from youth systems?

As far as I'm aware Berahino's new club (if British) will have to pay a tribunal fee set  with regards to current market values. I'm not suggesting that the tribunal would set it to 20 million, but I'd guess we would be looking at 10 million plus. I'm guessing that's why we are willing to let him run his contract down. But, you're welcome to show me evidence otherwise ;)

Thats only if he joins team in England. Its around 400k for a foreign team. Berahino could be looking at going to a foreign team straight back to England via sister teams, to get around the tribunal fee. Means more money for him and his agent, and none for us.

And to be fair unethical it may seem, you can't really blame him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on August 31, 2016, 10:02:04 PM
Isn't that for the youngsters plucked from youth systems?

As far as I'm aware Berahino's new club (if British) will have to pay a tribunal fee set  with regards to current market values. I'm not suggesting that the tribunal would set it to 20 million, but I'd guess we would be looking at 10 million plus. I'm guessing that's why we are willing to let him run his contract down. But, you're welcome to show me evidence otherwise ;)

Somewhere between £10m and £15m (given current surge in market) if he signs for an English clubs.   Zero or next to nothing I f he signs for a foreign club (am not even sure it's £400k).  He might even be able to go to Celtic for a few months 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on August 31, 2016, 10:04:07 PM
Thats only if he joins team in England. Its around 400k for a foreign team. Berahino could be looking at going to a foreign team straight back to England via sister teams, to get around the tribunal fee. Means more money for him and his agent, and none for us.

And to be fair unethical it may seem, you can't really blame him.

Interesting loophole. Sounds like one that needs to be cracked down upon if possible.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kanu on August 31, 2016, 11:02:17 PM
Delighted he's staying. Top, top player and he'll  come good for us again now the windows shut. We've done the right thing keeping him as there was no one better out there. Plus did he actually want to go to stoke? I think the fact it was only stoke who wanted him made his mind up to stay, knuckle down, score some goals and negotiate himself a deal with a top side in the summer, And we still get £10m compo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 31, 2016, 11:02:38 PM
Close this until December then  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie82 on August 31, 2016, 11:15:42 PM
Every chance he signs abroad in January in which case we get zilch which is what the club deserve after playing games with him for the last three windows.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2016, 11:19:53 PM
This balls about January... He can't leave in January. He can sign a pre-contract agreement. If it's abroad we get nothing if it's in the UK we get a tribunal fee... HE IS STILL AN ALBION PLAYER UNTIL THE END OF JUNE.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on August 31, 2016, 11:20:10 PM
Delighted he's staying. Top, top player and he'll  come good for us again now the windows shut. We've done the right thing keeping him as there was no one better out there. Plus did he actually want to go to stoke? I think the fact it was only stoke who wanted him made his mind up to stay, knuckle down, score some goals and negotiate himself a deal with a top side in the summer, And we still get £10m compo.
This has to win the prize for the most optimistic post ever. Please send me a lot of what you are on and I'll pay you good money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on August 31, 2016, 11:21:04 PM
Delighted he's staying. Top, top player and he'll  come good for us again now the windows shut. We've done the right thing keeping him as there was no one better out there. Plus did he actually want to go to stoke? I think the fact it was only stoke who wanted him made his mind up to stay, knuckle down, score some goals and negotiate himself a deal with a top side in the summer, And we still get £10m compo.

Wind up ?

Have you watched the lump for the past eighteen months ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie82 on August 31, 2016, 11:26:43 PM
Why are fans criticising him for not scoring under Pulis? He is played as a defensive midfielder in a team which scored 34 goals in 38 games. He has shown he can score if he is played upfront and has a run of games. As Foster said Pulis has negative tactics with Rondon and everyone else defending. I doubt much will change between now and next summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbastrollers on August 31, 2016, 11:28:31 PM
Wind up ?

Have you watched the lump for the past eighteen months ?

No were near the same player - the transfer window has been a complete omnishambles - they marched us up to the top of the hill and shoved us over the other side ..................depressed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albionden on August 31, 2016, 11:32:19 PM
Every chance he signs abroad in January in which case we get zilch which is what the club deserve after playing games with him for the last three windows.

So called "super agent" on 5 live gave an example of "a player" almost out of contract and under 24 years of age , going abroad for a number of months, maybe a year, leaving on a free , but then coming back to England and generating a good transfer fee for the foreign club but nowt for the original club.....
When it was put to him , was it Berahino ? he wouldn't say a yes or a no....
He just confirmed that the agent would make about £5 million out of the deal...
He made it sound that this had ALREADY been agreed/organised...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on August 31, 2016, 11:37:31 PM
stinking the place out like gabby at the vile
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on August 31, 2016, 11:41:54 PM
cant blame him for wanting to leave this shower of sh*te we call a football club. if the majority of our players were any good im sure they would want to leave too but as it stands they know regardless how w*nk they are they are getting game time under pulis if they lick the brown hole and run for 90mins!

Said all along he wasn't going anywhere yet no one on here wanted to believe it... typical though being a west brom fan, we are made to get our hopes up to be let down time and time again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on August 31, 2016, 11:47:15 PM
Play him on the last man and not as a number 10/wide man and he could very well return to scoring, it's quite simple really.

Him and Rondon should be competing for one spot, especially with our lack of strikers
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2016, 11:49:44 PM
cant blame him for wanting to leave this shower of sh*te we call a football club. if the majority of our players were any good im sure they would want to leave too but as it stands they know regardless how w*nk they are they are getting game time under pulis if they lick the brown hole and run for 90mins!

Said all along he wasn't going anywhere yet no one on here wanted to believe it... typical though being a west brom fan, we are made to get our hopes up to be let down time and time again.

Mate there is only one person licking brown star on this thread and it's you... Saidos, jesus have you ever posted on a none Saido matter? Are you his agent/boyfriend?

It's a disaster he's still here for a lot of fans yet you are revelling in it. The lad hates Albion, nothing more needs saying.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albionden on August 31, 2016, 11:57:42 PM
He really needs to up his game to encourage suitors to come in for him, be that on a free or not.
This transfer window Stoke , Palace ,
previous window spurs , Newcastle ,
next window,  probably no one given he'll only have a bit of his contact left...

On current form this tribunal fee is diminishing by the game....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on September 01, 2016, 07:10:28 AM
You can bet he's laughing at the Albion this morning
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on September 01, 2016, 11:53:28 AM
Play him on the last man and not as a number 10/wide man and he could very well return to scoring, it's quite simple really.

Him and Rondon should be competing for one spot, especially with our lack of strikers

This is spot on. The situation should have been resolved, it wasn't and he's here now. When used he should be used as a 9 and a 9 only to compete with Rondon. Any finding of form of sorts  it's not the worst duo competing for one spot at all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 01, 2016, 03:12:00 PM
This is spot on. The situation should have been resolved, it wasn't and he's here now. When used he should be used as a 9 and a 9 only to compete with Rondon. Any finding of form of sorts  it's not the worst duo competing for one spot at all.

Is there any reason to stick him out wide now? we seem to have a surfeit of wide players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on September 01, 2016, 03:15:32 PM
Is there any reason to stick him out wide now? we seem to have a surfeit of wide players.

I would imagine we will look to utilise him in the number 10 role now, and play Chadli and Phillips either side of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 01, 2016, 03:16:52 PM
I would imagine we will look to utilise him in the number 10 role now, and play Chadli and Phillips either side of him.

I do hope so, assuming he can be ar5ed of course.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 01, 2016, 03:33:11 PM
Mate there is only one person licking brown star on this thread and it's you... Saidos, jesus have you ever posted on a none Saido matter? Are you his agent/boyfriend?

It's a disaster he's still here for a lot of fans yet you are revelling in it. The lad hates Albion, nothing more needs saying.

Ive posted on many threads not that its anything to do with you, i apologise for trying not to be negative about things all the times unlike some of the so called fans on here that cry over everything.

Why you so offended in my opinions? if you don't like what i have to say then don't read because quite frankly i think half of your comments i see are abit ridiculous but you don't see me having digs at you do you?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 01, 2016, 03:38:04 PM
Please can we cut the personal digs guys, if you want to have a go at each other do it over PM not on the public forum
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 01, 2016, 03:43:52 PM
If Saido gets any stupider instead of training we'll have to start watering him twice a day.

In a week where there is a World Cup qualifier, which two years ago he'd got a real chance of playing in, he thinks that in a backdrop of him scoring less often than the pope, looking grossly unfit with an backside Beyonce would be comment negatively about and being pretty much universally hated by his team mates & supporters it's clever to sod off on holiday and boast about it on twitter.

It says all you need to know about the boy and his priorities in life. I'm sure instead of showing his grandchildren (offspring of his 12 kids by 12 different baby momma's) his England cap's they'll be well impressed by the snaps of him cavorting around Marbs getting a blowie behind the bins of a nightclub by Trudy from Rotherham.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 01, 2016, 03:52:21 PM
Any more personal digs and that person goes, don't give a toss who you are, how long you have been on here or whatever, you will be gone from this forum, not for 7 days but for good, ffs grow up and act like the adults you are all supposed to be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on September 01, 2016, 05:16:43 PM
Any recent tweets from the smug little Albion (unfortunately) player yet ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on September 01, 2016, 05:24:50 PM
In a week where there is a World Cup qualifier, which two years ago he'd got a real chance of playing in, he thinks it's clever to sod off on holiday and boast about it on twitter.

It says all you need to know about the boy and his priorities in life.

I would suggest that he knew he was staying put and wanted to try and stop the circus surrounding him on deadline day. Many other players have gone away for a few days off. That said, a simple declaration that he was staying and intending to do his best would have been better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 01, 2016, 05:34:01 PM
Most of our other players don't look like they'd be more at home playing darts.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 10, 2016, 07:34:28 AM
Interesting in his press conference yesterday Pulis said, 'he's got to get himself fit'
If he's not fit now when will he ever be fi?
Pulis also said the transfer window is closed so he won't have to field questions about Berahino leaving until the next transfer window which will be the last time he'll have to answer questions on the subject.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on September 10, 2016, 08:02:34 AM
If Saido gets any stupider instead of training we'll have to start watering him twice a day.

In a week where there is a World Cup qualifier, which two years ago he'd got a real chance of playing in, he thinks that in a backdrop of him scoring less often than the pope, looking grossly unfit with an backside Beyonce would be comment negatively about and being pretty much universally hated by his team mates & supporters it's clever to sod off on holiday and boast about it on twitter.

It says all you need to know about the boy and his priorities in life. I'm sure instead of showing his grandchildren (offspring of his 12 kids by 12 different baby momma's) his England cap's they'll be well impressed by the snaps of him cavorting around Marbs getting a blowie behind the bins of a nightclub by Trudy from Rotherham.
Where can I book a holiday like this?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 10, 2016, 09:06:06 AM
Where can I book a holiday like this?
I've got Trudy's number.

I still don't get all the venom, one of our most talented players for a long time and some can't wait to put the boot in, his wage has absolutely nothing to do with anything after all I'm sure we would all sit in the meeting and say"no that's too much pay me only a third "?, he's not employed as a role model he's employed to play football and specifically at point as a striker, so here's an idea ,maybe play him where he should be played(you know get a plumber to do the plumbing) support him and utilise tactics that not only make us semi attacking but might even entertain.
We ruined odemwingie and you can all jump up and down about QPR and the Range Rover , but our club started to ruin him well before and told him he would be leaving, some can't wait to moan.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 10, 2016, 09:24:08 AM
I've got Trudy's number.

I still don't get all the venom, one of our most talented players for a long time and some can't wait to put the boot in, his wage has absolutely nothing to do with anything after all I'm sure we would all sit in the meeting and say"no that's too much pay me only a third "?, he's not employed as a role model he's employed to play football and specifically at point as a striker, so here's an idea ,maybe play him where he should be played(you know get a plumber to do the plumbing) support him and utilise tactics that not only make us semi attacking but might even entertain.
We ruined odemwingie and you can all jump up and down about QPR and the Range Rover , but our club started to ruin him well before and told him he would be leaving, some can't wait to moan.

Check out  the words respect, application, humility and effort in the dictionary then I think you might understand why there is so much anti against him.
Not everyone is so forgiving.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on September 10, 2016, 09:25:34 AM
hes employed to play football...been over a year since he has been interested in playing football for us sooner he is out of our club the better
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2016, 09:39:35 AM
Interesting in his press conference yesterday Pulis said, 'he's got to get himself fit'
If he's not fit now when will he ever be fi?
Pulis also said the transfer window is closed so he won't have to field questions about Berahino leaving until the next transfer window which will be the last time he'll have to answer questions on the subject.
I missed that bit but there's no excuse if he isn't fit. The info at the start of the season was that Saido was fit and ready to go ...no doubt to impress potential buyers. Will he have the inclination to get fit and put himself in the shop window ?.....he needs to but it's sounding doubtful. I think he becomes free to sign a pre-contract agreement in January ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on September 10, 2016, 09:47:19 AM
Interesting in his press conference yesterday Pulis said, 'he's got to get himself fit'
If he's not fit now when will he ever be fi?
Pulis also said the transfer window is closed so he won't have to field questions about Berahino leaving until the next transfer window which will be the last time he'll have to answer questions on the subject.

Really annoyed by this ! I've had enough of Berahino anyway but now this nonsense about getting fit !   Why is he not fit ?  In what way is he not fit ? Let him rot in the U21s for all I care at the moment as he's contributing nothing at all anyway and we have missed a massive trick not getting rid last month.

Similarly, Pulis and his little remarks and inferences are also starting to grate now. Only wins and positive performances will do from him and, even with that, the majority of fans seemed to have turned now anyway and it's a long way back.

What an absolute mess of a Club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 09:47:39 AM
I missed that bit but there's no excuse if he isn't fit. The info at the start of the season was that Saido was fit and ready to go ...no doubt to impress potential buyers. Will he have the inclination to get fit and put himself in the shop window ?.....he needs to but it's sounding doubtful. I think he becomes free to sign a pre-contract agreement in January ?

He is fit, as a butchers dog, Pulis uses "fit" as a catch-all. What he probably means is he's not in tune with the rest of the team. We can see that Tone, don't need a press conference to tell us that.

I follow him on twitter & he's been working out in the gym, he's not fat, he's just bulked up.

The lad's confidence is shot, that's his problem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 10, 2016, 09:48:50 AM
I missed that bit but there's no excuse if he isn't fit. The info at the start of the season was that Saido was fit and ready to go ...no doubt to impress potential buyers. Will he have the inclination to get fit and put himself in the shop window ?.....he needs to but it's sounding doubtful. I think he becomes free to sign a pre-contract agreement in January ?

Check it out

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/press-conference-pulis-previews-trip-to-bournemouth-3297632.aspx
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2016, 10:23:48 AM
He is fit, as a butchers dog, Pulis uses "fit" as a catch-all. What he probably means is he's not in tune with the rest of the team. We can see that Tone, don't need a press conference to tell us that.

I follow him on twitter & he's been working out in the gym, he's not fat, he's just bulked up.

The lad's confidence is shot, that's his problem.
There's probably a bit of both there. He clearly has to get his brain focused but working out in the gym is one thing, being sharp and energetic for 90 minutes is another. His confidence is bound to have taken a knock...whereas he was calm and measured when taking chances, he's now snatching at things, maybe trying too hard for the eye catching finish.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 10, 2016, 10:46:29 AM
There's probably a bit of both there. He clearly has to get his brain focused but working out in the gym is one thing, being sharp and energetic for 90 minutes is another. His confidence is bound to have taken a knock...whereas he was calm and measured when taking chances, he's now snatching at things, maybe trying too hard for the eye catching finish.

I think the confidence thing is the big issue, anybody who plays sport will tell you that confidence can go in a flash, but it takes an age to restore it. The epitome of confidence is tennis, there are so many pivot points in a 3 or 5 set game of tennis, where advantages can be won & lost in a couple of shots.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on September 10, 2016, 10:56:42 AM
The lad needs to go back to basics with his play and build up again, he probably is trying too hard and it's not working but his head is full of dreams created by himself and outside forces!
He could do with a factory re set button!😂
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2016, 11:08:24 AM
I think the confidence thing is the big issue, anybody who plays sport will tell you that confidence can go in a flash, but it takes an age to restore it. The epitome of confidence is tennis, there are so many pivot points in a 3 or 5 set game of tennis, where advantages can be won & lost in a couple of shots.
Actually confidence can return quicker than you lose it ......in the time it takes to score a goal, kick a penalty in rugby, hit a few in the middle of the bat/racket depending on the sport.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 10, 2016, 11:13:39 AM
Check out  the words respect, application, humility and effort in the dictionary then I think you might understand why there is so much anti against him.
Not everyone is so forgiving.
Again, he's payed to do his job not to exude any of the virtues that you list(ex effort) but if he has put the extra EFFORT in to bulk up and get stronger that's that one ticked, respect is always two way, telling him he's coming on and then making him sit down to bring on a teenager, then using him to replace said teenager is hardly professional respect, he then comes on gets booed has one bad touch and suddenly he's the devil.
Like I say , I don't get it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on September 10, 2016, 11:58:13 AM
I've said ot quite a few times on this thread but i think everybody is overthinking the whole Berahino thing. He doesn't benefit from Pulis-ball and he's played out of position.

Have him and Rondon compete for the striker role - i think it's as simple as that. Play them both at the same time, one as the number 9 and one as the number 10 and they will both suffer.

I'm going to be so annoyed if they both start together again today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 10, 2016, 12:13:40 PM
I've said ot quite a few times on this thread but i think everybody is overthinking the whole Berahino thing. He doesn't benefit from Pulis-ball and he's played out of position.

Have him and Rondon compete for the striker role - i think it's as simple as that. Play them both at the same time, one as the number 9 and one as the number 10 and they will both suffer.

I'm going to be so annoyed if they both start together again today.
Berahino's not suited to playing as a lone striker in my view - he can't head to save his life and lacks body strength. As he's not a midfield player either, the only role he really flourishes in is as a second striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on September 10, 2016, 12:32:39 PM
Berahino's not suited to playing as a lone striker in my view - he can't head to save his life and lacks body strength. As he's not a midfield player either, the only role he really flourishes in is as a second striker.

I believe he is if the ball is played to feet, it's unfortunate this doesn't happen all too often with a Pulis set up
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on September 10, 2016, 01:22:26 PM
I believe he is if the ball is played to feet, it's unfortunate this doesn't happen all too often with a Pulis set up

Yep loads of his goals came from through balls and finding space off the last defenders. So in that sense he does not suit the 10 role. He's fine up front on his own, just not in Pulis' system
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on September 10, 2016, 05:07:35 PM
Berahino's finishing has just completely gone. The clubs obsession with holding on to players haunts us yet again. Certainly didn't play to his strengths first half but that chance that fell to him second half where he just smashed it at Boruc who was on the floor was woeful for a striker. His instinct has just gone.

But still, we've got someone with a worse scoring record than a centre back, instead of 20m to get a half decent striker in and will instead lose him in the summr for a nominal fee. Big round of applause to the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on September 10, 2016, 05:10:44 PM
Yes, he's just gone and only has himself to blame.

Not deserving of a start at this level of football as he's Championship at best now.

Yet another wasted opportunity in the summer from this penny pinching outfit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 10, 2016, 05:12:33 PM
I've said ot quite a few times on this thread but i think everybody is overthinking the whole Berahino thing. He doesn't benefit from Pulis-ball and he's played out of position.

Have him and Rondon compete for the striker role - i think it's as simple as that. Play them both at the same time, one as the number 9 and one as the number 10 and they will both suffer.

I'm going to be so annoyed if they both start together again today.
Chadli should play behind the lone striker
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on September 10, 2016, 05:32:25 PM
Chadli should play behind the lone striker

Agreed. Get Leko on the pitch with some much needed unpredictability
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on September 10, 2016, 06:39:11 PM
West Brom manager Tony Pulis has been talking about striker Saido Berahino: "For over a season Saido has been wrapped up in where he’s going and he’s playing in the top league in the world. You have to be mentally prepared, you can’t just switch it on and off and he needs to understand that.

"In the 20 months I’ve been here he was a talisman for the first six months but then we’ve lost him for the last year. It’s been difficult.

"It’s been an interesting club to manage for me, the way it’s run is different, but also dealing with a player that has for two thirds of that period not doing really what he should be has been difficult."

So why do you keep picking him Tone? Pathetic
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bry on September 10, 2016, 06:44:35 PM
West Brom manager Tony Pulis has been talking about striker Saido Berahino: "For over a season Saido has been wrapped up in where he’s going and he’s playing in the top league in the world. You have to be mentally prepared, you can’t just switch it on and off and he needs to understand that.

"In the 20 months I’ve been here he was a talisman for the first six months but then we’ve lost him for the last year. It’s been difficult.

"It’s been an interesting club to manage for me, the way it’s run is different, but also dealing with a player that has for two thirds of that period not doing really what he should be has been difficult."
yeah he should have picked Robson Kanu instead.

So why do you keep picking him Tone? Pathetic
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 10, 2016, 07:15:37 PM
West Brom manager Tony Pulis has been talking about striker Saido Berahino: "For over a season Saido has been wrapped up in where he’s going and he’s playing in the top league in the world. You have to be mentally prepared, you can’t just switch it on and off and he needs to understand that.

"In the 20 months I’ve been here he was a talisman for the first six months but then we’ve lost him for the last year. It’s been difficult.

"It’s been an interesting club to manage for me, the way it’s run is different, but also dealing with a player that has for two thirds of that period not doing really what he should be has been difficult."

So why do you keep picking him Tone? Pathetic

He wouldn't have to if it weren't for that pesky chairman  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 11, 2016, 12:28:42 AM
Got to be back up to Rondon going forward from today. Not good enough currently.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 11, 2016, 12:40:56 AM
Got to be back up to Rondon going forward from today. Not good enough currently.

Yep.

Still cannot believe the little weasel is still here. Irks me greatly, not sure you can tell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on September 11, 2016, 08:51:01 AM
Got to be back up to Rondon going forward from today. Not good enough currently.

Definately , but he's never been able to play the lone frontman effectively anyway, maybe Pulis has Sen something else somewhere?

It's still unbelievable that we have Rondon, a Berahino who has done nothing for 18months and an apparently unfit HRK as our forward line! Wow?!

Berahinho needs to be careful himself, he's not looked a premier league player over the past 18months let alone one who could play for a top 6 club?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on September 12, 2016, 10:40:20 AM
As well or as badly as you think he played on Saturday, I thought we looked much more effective when he was on the pitch compared to when Rondon came on.

Can't remember us having a chance after Rondon came on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on September 12, 2016, 10:47:49 AM
Berahino has better movement than Rondon and I do think Berahino would score goals if 1) his head was right 2) the team played further up the pitch 3) the team created more chance (all big ifs of course).

For the first time in a while on Saturday, I did think we seemed to have in Chadli and Phillips, players who (if they were allowed) could join in and make things happen.

West Ham at home will be interesting.

Will Pulis go for Berahino and Rondo up front together with Chadli and Phillips wide ? That could be potentially tasty and you never know might actually provide some entertainment for fans........a bit?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tambag on September 12, 2016, 10:56:00 AM
I was listening to WM on the way home from work on Friday and they had a 'super-agent' on the phone (sorry can't remember his name) and he was saying there is a Premier League player who could have moved in the Window but the clubs couldn't agree a fee after being 3 to 4 million apart on the fee, the player in question is out of contract next year and will now sign a pre-contract agreement with a European club and will then be loaned back to a Premier League club.  Paul Franks asked if this was Saido but the agent wouldn't confirm it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on September 12, 2016, 11:21:21 AM
I was listening to WM on the way home from work on Friday and they had a 'super-agent' on the phone (sorry can't remember his name) and he was saying there is a Premier League player who could have moved in the Window but the clubs couldn't agree a fee after being 3 to 4 million apart on the fee, the player in question is out of contract next year and will now sign a pre-contract agreement with a European club and will then be loaned back to a Premier League club.  Paul Franks asked if this was Saido but the agent wouldn't confirm it.


Didn't the exact same thing happen with Ezekiel Fryers, I can see it happening again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 12, 2016, 11:46:23 AM


Didn't the exact same thing happen with Ezekiel Fryers, I can see it happening again.
is that the Fryers who was on loan at Ipswich last season? Great decision that was...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Webby on September 12, 2016, 11:51:36 AM
I think the point above was more the fact if he goes to a European club we get £0.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 12:06:31 PM
I think the point above was more the fact if he goes to a European club we get £0.

Both Jeremy Peace & Nick Hammond have reputations for maximising the profits on player sales, can't imagine Saido's value will slip away that easily.

I think I've said before, Evening Mail, Daily Mirror & BBCWM all have reputations for sensationalism, designed to get listeners or click bait. I never take a blind bit of notice.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on September 12, 2016, 12:13:42 PM
Both Jeremy Peace & Nick Hammond have reputations for maximising the profits on player sales, can't imagine Saido's value will slip away that easily.

You have to remember the money we have saved on a strikers' wages over the duration of this contract. He is on a reported 15k a week so we will have saved a few million just having him on his current deal. Any striker at this level would be on at least double that i would guess.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 12:18:42 PM
You have to remember the money we have saved on a strikers' wages over the duration of this contract. He is on a reported 15k a week so we will have saved a few million just having him on his current deal. Any striker at this level would be on at least double that i would guess.

Agreed, & the rest.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Webby on September 12, 2016, 12:37:17 PM
Both Jeremy Peace & Nick Hammond have reputations for maximising the profits on player sales, can't imagine Saido's value will slip away that easily.

I think I've said before, Evening Mail, Daily Mirror & BBCWM all have reputations for sensationalism, designed to get listeners or click bait. I never take a blind bit of notice.

He'll be a free transfer end of this season. If he goes abroad we get nothing for tribunal money at all. Only if he goes to English clubs, be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 12, 2016, 12:42:42 PM
He'll be a free transfer end of this season. If he goes abroad we get nothing for tribunal money at all. Only if he goes to English clubs, be interesting to see what happens.

I was reading a story in the paper/internet last week by an agent who was saying that he thought Berahino would end up going abroad in January and then being loaned back to a Premier League club until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 12:45:01 PM
He'll be a free transfer end of this season. If he goes abroad we get nothing for tribunal money at all. Only if he goes to English clubs, be interesting to see what happens.

Pure speculation on my part, but he also said he wouldn't play for Jeremy Peace, hopefully at the end of this week, he won't have to.

Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 12:48:07 PM
I was reading a story in the paper/internet last week by an agent who was saying that he thought Berahino would end up going abroad in January and then being loaned back to a Premier League club until the end of the season.

Do you know what, & I'm seriously not being cryptic here, it's just the way the forum is laid out, but you have just said, almost letter for letter, exactly what was posted about 10 to 15 posts back.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 12, 2016, 12:52:09 PM
I was reading a story in the paper/internet last week by an agent who was saying that he thought Berahino would end up going abroad in January and then being loaned back to a Premier League club until the end of the season.

From what I read he would see out the current season with us but agree a pre-contract with a foreign club in January, meanwhile a Premier League club would already have a deal agreed to sign him from the foreign side for a knockdown price. That way the Premier League club don't have to pay over £15m in compensation, the foreign club gets a few million for doing nothing and Saido spends one day at most at a foreign club before getting the move he wanted while we receive something daft like £400k compensation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 01:02:09 PM
From what I read he would see out the current season with us but agree a pre-contract with a foreign club in January, meanwhile a Premier League club would already have a deal agreed to sign him from the foreign side for a knockdown price. That way the Premier League club don't have to pay over £15m in compensation, the foreign club gets a few million for doing nothing and Saido spends one day at most at a foreign club before getting the move he wanted while we receive something daft like £400k compensation.


Nice theory, but what would Saido gain by doing that? His dispute was supposed to be with Jeremy Peace, & hopefully, he'll be long gone by January.

I would suggest it's more likely to be, wait until the new owners are in place, then we'll have a chat about you're future.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 12, 2016, 01:09:14 PM

Nice theory, but what would Saido gain by doing that? His dispute was supposed to be with Jeremy Peace, & hopefully, he'll be long gone by January.

I would suggest it's more likely to be, wait until the new owners are in place, then we'll have a chat about you're future.

A big fat signing on fee?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 01:17:37 PM
A big fat signing on fee?

Wouldn't he get that anyway?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 12, 2016, 01:24:52 PM

Nice theory, but what would Saido gain by doing that? His dispute was supposed to be with Jeremy Peace, & hopefully, he'll be long gone by January.

I would suggest it's more likely to be, wait until the new owners are in place, then we'll have a chat about you're future.

He may have the beef with JP, but can you honestly not see him doing all he can to **** the club over before he finally leaves?

I blame Saido for a lot of things, the fact he stopped playing for us 18 months ago being the main one, but for us not realising the maximum value for him I can only blame the club. We have had ample opportunity to bog him off for a value way over what he should be worth given his lack of ability and we have held on to him for some bizarre reason.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 12, 2016, 01:38:49 PM
He may have the beef with JP, but can you honestly not see him doing all he can to **** the club over before he finally leaves?

I blame Saido for a lot of things, the fact he stopped playing for us 18 months ago being the main one, but for us not realising the maximum value for him I can only blame the club. We have had ample opportunity to bog him off for a value way over what he should be worth given his lack of ability and we have held on to him for some bizarre reason.

Seriously don't want to get into a long & protracted argument on this one, a lot's been already said, but I think it was Divinewind who made a comment this morning on another thread, it went something like this "What we are seeing is only the symptom of the problem, it might not be the root cause"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 12, 2016, 01:41:45 PM

Nice theory, but what would Saido gain by doing that? His dispute was supposed to be with Jeremy Peace, & hopefully, he'll be long gone by January.

I would suggest it's more likely to be, wait until the new owners are in place, then we'll have a chat about you're future.

He gets the move he wants. Would a club want to pay over £15m compensation or get him for say around £7m by doing it this way? As I said it looks like a complicated deal but it is possible, he will feel he owes us absolutely nothing and as always will be looking out for only himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on September 12, 2016, 01:48:13 PM
He gets the move he wants. Would a club want to pay over £15m compensation or get him for say around £7m by doing it this way? As I said it looks like a complicated deal but it is possible, he will feel he owes us absolutely nothing and as always will be looking out for only himself.

Does it have to be European, or can he sign in January for a team like Celtic?

Could easily see him going Celtic for a year, smashing in the goals, playing a little bit of european football, rebuilding his reputation and then moving back to the Premier League.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 12, 2016, 01:50:31 PM
Does it have to be European, or can he sign in January for a team like Celtic?

Could easily see him going Celtic for a year, smashing in the goals, playing a little bit of european football, rebuilding his reputation and then moving back to the Premier League.

I believe its possible that the compensation is minimal to go to Scotland but there's no way they would be able to pay the wages he is likely to demand and easily get at another Premier League club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 12, 2016, 01:58:11 PM
Wouldn't he get that anyway?

Of course but he may get even more if he moves for nothing. I don't think he'll sign a new deal with a low release clause either as it will restrict his options. The club have made a huge mistake by keeping him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on September 12, 2016, 02:08:24 PM
Spoke to a mate at work who is a Stoke fan and they have a good friendship with Orlando City in the US and he thinks he could sign a pre contract agreement with them in January then move to Stoke in the summer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on September 12, 2016, 02:38:43 PM
Spoke to a mate at work who is a Stoke fan and they have a good friendship with Orlando City in the US and he thinks he could sign a pre contract agreement with them in January then move to Stoke in the summer

I could wrong, but I think the states is the one place this wouldnt work. I think the MLS actually owns the players. Would they want to get involved in something like this for the benefit of Stoke City?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 12, 2016, 02:43:29 PM
I could wrong, but I think the states is the one place this wouldnt work. I think the MLS actually owns the players. Would they want to get involved in something like this for the benefit of Stoke City?

Scroll down past the video link up.

"ORLANDO, Fla. (May 6, 2016) – Orlando City SC and English Premier League side Stoke City FC have entered a multi-faceted affiliation initiating a forward-thinking partnership, the clubs announced today. The affiliation will ignite shared brand awareness and collaboration opportunities across the business and competition for both sides, with unique opportunities to enhance the fan experience.  The Citys will work together on player-exchange opportunities, accessibility to shared scouting and player-recruitment systems".

http://www.orlandocitysc.com/post/2016/05/06/orlando-city-sc-announces-formal-affiliation-english-premier-league-s-stoke-city-fc (http://www.orlandocitysc.com/post/2016/05/06/orlando-city-sc-announces-formal-affiliation-english-premier-league-s-stoke-city-fc)

Just saying...........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on September 12, 2016, 02:44:22 PM
Spoke to a mate at work who is a Stoke fan and they have a good friendship with Orlando City in the US and he thinks he could sign a pre contract agreement with them in January then move to Stoke in the summer

Could see it working a lot easier for a Watford/Udinese Chelsea/Vitesse type deal.

Further to my Celtic post, he wouldnt need to demand a high wage, hes only on 15k here, so if he went to Celtic for 1 year he could easily be offered 35k and still be laughing.

Speaks volumes this thread does about the player, that the last time we were discussing his football performance (in a good way) is more than likely around a year ago.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on September 12, 2016, 02:45:31 PM
I could wrong, but I think the states is the one place this wouldnt work. I think the MLS actually owns the players. Would they want to get involved in something like this for the benefit of Stoke City?

Would he want to go to Stoke?
As a free agent, regardless of whats happened here the last 2 years, I imagine there would still be a good 5-10 prem teams willing to take the punt on a freebie.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pauly414 on September 12, 2016, 02:52:01 PM
Doesn't matter to us fans what we will get or would have got for the sulking turd as we most likely won't spend it anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 12, 2016, 03:06:46 PM
Do you know what, & I'm seriously not being cryptic here, it's just the way the forum is laid out, but you have just said, almost letter for letter, exactly what was posted about 10 to 15 posts back.

spooky aint it?  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2016, 07:26:11 PM
Some mixed messages here. He cannot sign for anyone in January without a transfer fee. He can though enter into a pre-contract agreement, for Saido to leave on a free to either another English club (tribunal) or abroad (nothing) it cannot happen until the end of June.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 15, 2016, 09:38:58 PM
We're losing him for pittance in January (pre-contract) to a European club folks. Then he'll move back to PL. Bitten of our nose to spite our face.

Rejecting all these offers for him yet hes been sat on subs bench, played out of position and woefully out of form.

We'll have lost a lot of money for a club our size.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 17, 2016, 08:00:41 PM
Was not even watching the game today, looked totally disinterested, is there any point him being on the bench!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on September 17, 2016, 08:27:20 PM
Looking from the outside in , I'd say he's a shocking so called professional and he's also been horrendously mis-managed considering he looked quality 18 months ago. Not sure who is exactly to blame from the club side?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 17, 2016, 08:39:34 PM
Looking from the outside in , I'd say he's a shocking so called professional and he's also been horrendously mis-managed considering he looked quality 18 months ago. Not sure who is exactly to blame from the club side?

He would be poisonous with the youth, best just frozen out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 17, 2016, 09:39:11 PM
He would be poisonous with the youth, best just frozen out.

Think we did that about 18 months ago mukka & deservedly to.
At one time i hoped he might try for a better contract with us or another team but that was to no avail. I wouldn't even have him on the bench now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 17, 2016, 09:48:05 PM
Think we did that about 18 months ago mukka & deservedly to.
At one time i hoped he might try for a better contract with us or another time but that was to no avail. I wouldn't even have him on the bench now.
I think the club has done enough to try to help and come to an agreement with the idiot.
I would not even wish him well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 17, 2016, 09:51:49 PM
Did he even join in with the subs half time warm up? Don't remember seeing him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 17, 2016, 10:12:04 PM
Did he even join in with the subs half time warm up? Don't remember seeing him

Nope, got boo'd when his name was called out whilst teams were being announced which apparently was part of the reason him not warming up and pulis not using him. (Would of been a risk playing a distracted player)

If any truth in that then we either need the fans to mature and not boo our players, or pulis leave him out the squad completely....

Bit of a catch 22 really when it's a disgrace fans booing any player and I can't see those type of fans maturing

And pulis stands his ground so I feel we ain't seen the last of Saido yet....

Biting off your nose to spite your face comes to mind from the fans and pulis on both sides of the situation, however people want to take that.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 17, 2016, 10:15:48 PM
Said it for some time now, the fans will drive him out of the football club, & he'll come back to haunt us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on September 17, 2016, 10:23:34 PM
Nope, got boo'd when his name was called out whilst teams were being announced which apparently was part of the reason him not warming up and pulis not using him. (Would of been a risk playing a distracted player)

If any truth in that then we either need the fans to mature and not boo our players, or pulis leave him out the squad completely....

Bit of a catch 22 really when it's a disgrace fans booing any player and I can't see those type of fans maturing

And pulis stands his ground so I feel we ain't seen the last of Saido yet....

Biting off your nose to spite your face comes to mind from the fans and pulis on both sides of the situation, however people want to take that.
Amazed you are having a pop at the fans we have a player who hasn't wanted to play for us for over a season who lacks the maturity and professionalism to do his job and who as worked out the best way to screw the club and to some its the fans fault  ???.
 Personally i would  put him on garden leave and wash our hands of him its no coincidence we performed so much better today without him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 17, 2016, 10:33:00 PM
Amazed you are having a pop at the fans we have a player who hasn't wanted to play for us for over a season who lacks the maturity and professionalism to do his job and who as worked out the best way to screw the club and to some its the fans fault  ???.
 Personally i would  put him on garden leave and wash our hands of him its no coincidence we performed so much better today without him.

How am I having a pop at fans? I just commented on what happened.

Because I don't agree with booing any player at all, don't mean I'm having a pop.

Pulis put him in the squad today, on the bench and APPARENTLY, he didn't warm up or take part because he got boo'd and pulis did not want to risk using a player who would have been distracted, surely that would be the smart thing to do by any manager?

Don't see how me saying that is having a pop at fans, all I'm saying is we have a guy taking up a shirt and if Pulis is going to involve him..... booing and not supporting him is only going to effect our squad, he don't give a toss he's still getting paid.

To say he's been immature is an understatement, but should we really stoop down to that level and risk making matters worse in the position were in?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on September 17, 2016, 10:58:38 PM
When he eventfully goes I really don't know how we are ever going to replace the dozen or so good games he had nearly three years ago.... The scouts sure have their work cut out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on September 18, 2016, 12:13:27 AM
Said it for some time now, the fans will drive him out of the football club, & he'll come back to haunt us.
just like luke warm...no way hes a busted flush
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 18, 2016, 01:19:41 AM
Awww diddums they are booing me because I'm an idiot who has tried to screw the club over whilst breaching my contract on several occasions

Can't wait for him to be gone don't even care if we get nothing for him. He won't come back to haunt us at all I'd be very suprised if he gets a decent Prem club again if he goes abroad to screw us out of any transfer fee
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on September 18, 2016, 01:35:31 AM
Awww diddums they are booing me because I'm an idiot who has tried to screw the club over whilst breaching my contract on several occasions

Can't wait for him to be gone don't even care if we get nothing for him. He won't come back to haunt us at all I'd be very suprised if he gets a decent Prem club again if he goes abroad to screw us out of any transfer fee

Neither do the club or he'd have been gone by now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 08:42:57 AM
How am I having a pop at fans? I just commented on what happened.

Because I don't agree with booing any player at all, don't mean I'm having a pop.

Pulis put him in the squad today, on the bench and APPARENTLY, he didn't warm up or take part because he got boo'd and pulis did not want to risk using a player who would have been distracted, surely that would be the smart thing to do by any manager?

Don't see how me saying that is having a pop at fans, all I'm saying is we have a guy taking up a shirt and if Pulis is going to involve him..... booing and not supporting him is only going to effect our squad, he don't give a toss he's still getting paid.

To say he's been immature is an understatement, but should we really stoop down to that level and risk making matters worse in the position were in?


TBH I've got some sympathy with your argument, & to be fair, Saido hasn't helped himself, but most fans believe what they read in the media, & unfortunately the media have been particularly unforgiving when it comes to Saido.
Saido's adopted the same stance as a certain Peter Odemwingie, but a lot on here would  have a younger version of PO back in a flash.
As I said above, the fans will force him out, but make no mistake, he will come back to haunt us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 18, 2016, 08:49:46 AM
the kids poisonous, shouldn't even be on the bench.
I think the only reason he's in the squad is to give some credence to the sort of fee we're hoping to gain from him when he does eventually scurry out of the door.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 18, 2016, 08:52:29 AM
I don't need to listen to anything in the media he's done enough himself to prove to me he's a total bell end. His performances and general demeanor prove he is only thinking of himself and just going through the motions.

As for him coming back to haunt us he may well do as he has clear quality when he actually wants to use his ability but he will have stood still for two years by the time he actually leaves and he is no longer a promising youngster he should have developed much further by now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on September 18, 2016, 09:03:36 AM

TBH I've got some sympathy with your argument, & to be fair, Saido hasn't helped himself, but most fans believe what they read in the media, & unfortunately the media have been particularly unforgiving when it comes to Saido.
Saido's adopted the same stance as a certain Peter Odemwingie, but a lot on here would  have a younger version of PO back in a flash.
As I said above, the fans will force him out, but make no mistake, he will come back to haunt us.

I can't speak for everyone but i don't judge a player on what i read in the media about him but on what he produces on the pitch its clear to a blind man this petulant child has no intention of playing for the team or himself which tells you all you need to know about his character i wouldn't even let him cut the grass let alone play on it. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 18, 2016, 09:17:46 AM
I think not selling Berahino was our biggest mistake during the window, if £20m or anything like it was on the table then we should have taken it. Obviously this assumes the player wanted to go to Stoke or Palace which given the absence of a transfer request or twitter tantrum I'm not sure he did.

Plainly we needed to replace him but I would have taken a player of lesser natural ability as our second striker rather than have an out of form constantly sulking player that doesn't quite fit the Head Coach's game plan being the prime cover for Rondon. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 09:18:31 AM
I can't speak for everyone but i don't judge a player on what i read in the media about him but on what he produces on the pitch its clear to a blind man this petulant child has no intention of playing for the team or himself which tells you all you need to know about his character i wouldn't even let him cut the grass let alone play on it.


Whatever you think about Tony Pulis, he is a professional coach, & his decisions will have been made based on what he has seen in training & advice taken from his 3 or 4 support coaches, & the academy coaches who developed Saido. On that basis, Pulis would be absolutely barmy to select a player, even for the squad, who showed no interest in producing for the team.
What you're seeing is different to what I'm seeing. What I'm seeing is a very talented individual who is very low on confidence, not helped by booing from his own fans when his name is announced.
If we look at the similarity with Peter Odemwingie, PO had suffered similar, but worse abuse from the Locomotive Moscow fans, we welcomed him here, even going to the trouble of producing a banner at our own expense, & for two seasons, got the real Peter Odemwingie as a consequence.
Somebody, somewhere will get the real Saido Berahino, but it won't be us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on September 18, 2016, 09:31:14 AM
I think if whats said is true then i agree with Pulis in that we have lost him.

At the moment its no benefit to the team or him having him around the squad, its a negative distraction, i would imagine we will sign Chamakh and it will be then Rondon, Robson-Kanu and Chamakh competing the for the striker role.

Berahino maybe playing under 23's til January and then in one way or another he will be gone.

I think last season he was a tool, acted unprofessional and disrespectful and a big baby. However i could be wrong but i get the impression from pre-season he has tried to make amends, i think he obviously wanted to go but if he didnt go he was knuckling down to play anyway and after a chance to build some bridges with the club.

All his positive talk on social media and with fans off the pitch and if anything he was trying too hard when he played, the problem was when he did play he missed some chances (as all strikers do) and so the albatross was still round his neck, if he had scored one or two by now i think he would be viewed different.

I dont think he is ever going to have his name sung or get hero status and rightly so but i think booing him is harsh, last season there was a reason but since January there hasnt really been and thats why with the situation as it you may as well leave him out the squad, it benefits nobody having him in it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 18, 2016, 09:39:01 AM
Forget about saido for a second and Regardless of what he's done, how he's playing, who he is, what people think of him.... booing a player (to me), is a lot more pathetic and immature than Saido or any other player has ever been, being a player myself (not at the level of Saido no but whatever level your playing at makes no difference), there is just no need for it.

Shoot me down all you like for being completely against booing players, I can't stand pulis and never have done since he was at Stoke but not once have I boo'd him, it's just not in my nature...(although pulis is having a worse effect on our club than Saido is). I feel I'm a lot more mature and grown up than that and if that offends anyone like it has done with certain people who I have clearly annoyed with the way they have replied to some of my posts then I'm sorry but maybe people should think about what they say and how they are acting before they judge what players have said and how they have acted. Pot kettle black  ::)

Like baggiejohn has pretty much said, pulis is not going to pick a player who he feels is not interested, not willing and not fit, (sorry to break some of your hearts but he clearly knows more than us, as much as people think they know everything) but because it's Saido, if you don't slag him off people jump down your throat for having an opinion.

Myself, I don't believe there is any way back for him at our club and to be quite honest, I don't really care... but if Pulis is picking him... regardless if he gets boo'd or not.... he's still in our squad and if he's not going to be used then that's the waste of a space in the first team or on the bench. He only has himself to blame for what he's done and how he's acted, but for him not warming up and taking part yesterday... thats only a result in the fans booing him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on September 18, 2016, 10:11:09 AM
There is a difference between booing one of our players who have a bad game, and that i would never condone.
But an individual who deliberately goes out to have a bad game, and show no interest in the club,it's fans and his team mates while still picking up his wages deserves everything he gets.
Look at the disgraceful abuse a Chris Brunt has endured for basically being loyal and playing when and where asked.
We have some brain dead fans yes, but not all of those who boo someone who is basically defrauding our club are.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on September 18, 2016, 10:22:22 AM
Forget about saido for a second and Regardless of what he's done, how he's playing, who he is, what people think of him.... booing a player (to me), is a lot more pathetic and immature than Saido or any other player has ever been, being a player myself (not at the level of Saido no but whatever level your playing at makes no difference), there is just no need for it.

Shoot me down all you like for being completely against booing players, I can't stand pulis and never have done since he was at Stoke but not once have I boo'd him, it's just not in my nature...(although pulis is having a worse effect on our club than Saido is). I feel I'm a lot more mature and grown up than that and if that offends anyone like it has done with certain people who I have clearly annoyed with the way they have replied to some of my posts then I'm sorry but maybe people should think about what they say and how they are acting before they judge what players have said and how they have acted. Pot kettle black  ::)

Like baggiejohn has pretty much said, pulis is not going to pick a player who he feels is not interested, not willing and not fit, (sorry to break some of your hearts but he clearly knows more than us, as much as people think they know everything) but because it's Saido, if you don't slag him off people jump down your throat for having an opinion.

Myself, I don't believe there is any way back for him at our club and to be quite honest, I don't really care... but if Pulis is picking him... regardless if he gets boo'd or not.... he's still in our squad and if he's not going to be used then that's the waste of a space in the first team or on the bench. He only has himself to blame for what he's done and how he's acted, but for him not warming up and taking part yesterday... thats only a result in the fans booing him.
So, as a result of fans booing him, he goes into a sulk and refuses to participate. This is the primary reason he gets booed in the first place, so it's a vicious circle. I cannot believe that there are people who still have sympathy for him, maybe the club haven't been fair with him, he is just short on confidence, he is trying too hard etc. For me this is just naive wishful thinking. I seriously don't think he has any future at the top level of football, its not only his dreadful attitude, lack of application, and general knobbishness, I also don't think he is especially good
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 18, 2016, 10:53:34 AM
divinewind - there is no difference whatsoever, why do fans feel they have to boo? where is it going to get them? what are they going to achieve? ... absolutely nothing, its not going to change who pulis picks each week... and like more than one person has mentioned, saido going out deliberately to have a bad game is not the case... i feel its more a confidence issure.. you or anyone else on here don't work with him, pulis and the rest of the coaching staff etc do and if they saw he was deliberately going out to have a bad game, not show interest in the club and team mates (although ive personally seen him with team mates having a laugh and a joke not so long back), do you really think pulis would still let him even on the bench?! come on be realistic.

As for the brain dead fans, i completely agree with you.

Timdon - who on here has had sympathy for him? your just turning my comment into something its not, Me personally i said months ago.. he should be dropped out the squad and forced to force his way back in by impressing the same as i believe every player who is playing sh*t should be and if you actually read my original comment, as a result of booing he did not go into a sulk and refuse to participate, PULIS chose not to involve him due to the obvious reason that 1) he's not in the best of forms as it is and 2) being boo'd will only knock his confidence more than it is.

We all have opinions but people need to realise that not everyone is going to agree with them.

putting saido aside, my point is... booing is ridiculous, embarrassing, pathetic and immature - that's my opinion and im not going to stoop down to saidos level of maturity and boo OUR players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on September 18, 2016, 10:55:27 AM
Great to see him NOT on the pitch after his awful start to the season. The whole mood of the team and stadium seemed better with this guy off the scene.

Just wish we had cashed in on him last month - he looks shot for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 18, 2016, 11:21:55 AM
So, as a result of fans booing him, he goes into a sulk and refuses to participate. This is the primary reason he gets booed in the first place, so it's a vicious circle. I cannot believe that there are people who still have sympathy for him, maybe the club haven't been fair with him, he is just short on confidence, he is trying too hard etc. For me this is just naive wishful thinking. I seriously don't think he has any future at the top level of football, its not only his dreadful attitude, lack of application, and general knobbishness, I also don't think he is especially good

I'm not sure that's what happened. The atmosphere was pretty good yesterday, introducing Saido could have soured it, I believe it was Pulis's decision not to bring Saido on, not Saido's.

I think he might play in away games for a while, can't see him playing at home again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 11:40:02 AM
He gets the move he wants. Would a club want to pay over £15m compensation or get him for say around £7m by doing it this way? As I said it looks like a complicated deal but it is possible, he will feel he owes us absolutely nothing and as always will be looking out for only himself.

That's true, in the same way that Peace was looking out for himself by denying him the move. I agree that Peace was right to stand his ground, but I also feel it's unfair to hammer Berahino for doing what's right for him. It's not like the kid is on 100k/week.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on September 18, 2016, 11:52:19 AM
What a load of c##p VANDERLEI Bera started this rubbish by saying he wouldn't play for us again and his actions and demeanour since shows the character  of the spoiled little brat sooner gone the better the whole place will be lifted when he`s out the door.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on September 18, 2016, 11:56:07 AM
Think everything has been said about him really. I think we can already talk about Berahino in the past tense now . His good days for Albion are well and truly gone , he may chip in a bit now and again until January but we all need to move on , him included.

Hopefully we can keep Rondon and Chadlin fit as that partnership has real potential.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 01:37:29 PM
What a load of c##p VANDERLEI Bera started this rubbish by saying he wouldn't play for us again and his actions and demeanour since shows the character  of the spoiled little brat sooner gone the better the whole place will be lifted when he`s out the door.

That's what happens when you get ****** over in a gentleman's agreement. You blame him, but you don't know what he was promised behind closed doors. Peace has **** all over his employees in the past, and has continued to do so up until his departure. I'm not saying Berahino isn't a prick, but put yourself in his shoes for a minute rather than forming a judgement on what you read?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on September 18, 2016, 03:21:39 PM
Put myself in his shoes with the money he`s on and the support he`s had since we bought him to the club and he treats the club like he has what with his driving ,his smoking his texting and his petulance when we said he can`t go to spuds how do you want the club to react.AND WHAT GENTLEMAN`S AGREEMENT you yourself don`t no what went on so how can you tell me we no he did the above and the sooner he`s gone the better WE made him what he was 18 months ago he`s made himself what he is since ABSOLUTE RUBBISH .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 18, 2016, 03:26:37 PM
Put myself in his shoes with the money he`s on and the support he`s had since we bought him to the club and he treats the club like he has what with his driving ,his smoking his texting and his petulance when we said he can`t go to spuds how do you want the club to react.AND WHAT GENTLEMAN`S AGREEMENT you yourself don`t no what went on so how can you tell me we no he did the above and the sooner he`s gone the better WE made him what he was 18 months ago he`s made himself what he is since ABSOLUTE RUBBISH .

I agree with you, he has single handedly destroyed his own career.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 18, 2016, 03:36:12 PM
That's what happens when you get ****** over in a gentleman's agreement. You blame him, but you don't know what he was promised behind closed doors. Peace has **** all over his employees in the past, and has continued to do so up until his departure. I'm not saying Berahino isn't a prick, but put yourself in his shoes for a minute rather than forming a judgement on what you read?

16K a week, I'd love to mate.
They all need a bloody reality check.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 18, 2016, 03:38:55 PM
I agree with you, he has single headedly destroyed his own career.

Is that a pun on his heading skills? Either way I love it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on September 18, 2016, 03:50:46 PM
Should have sold him to Spurs he'd have got so many splinters in his backside by sitting on the bench. Just phase him out now, its unlikely we will get much money for him now. By the way perhaps he should have gone to Stoke to fight a relegation battle. 4-0 down at Palace😊
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 04:32:04 PM
16K a week, I'd love to mate.
They all need a bloody reality check.

Why does everyone begrudge the wages? I'd love a guaranteed 16k/week, but realistically, Berahino is worth at least 3 times that. Why shouldn't he try to maximise his limited career? Because "supporters" say so?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 18, 2016, 04:40:06 PM
Why does everyone begrudge the wages? I'd love a guaranteed 16k/week, but realistically, Berahino is worth at least 3 times that. Why shouldn't he try to maximise his limited career? Because "supporters" say so?

2 seasons ago he was bumped up to that 16k a week from £850 because he did the business on the pitch, its ok maximising your earning potential but you are not going to get huge wages if a. you are not doing it on the pitch and b. having off-field issues whilst trying to make your way in the game as a young player

Sorry but Berahino is not worth 3 times his current wages as he simply doesnt justify it..

If I remember correctly he was offered a huge contract by us in the summer to sign worth a huge amount of money and he wouldnt sign it so he had the opportunity to maximise his earning potential and turned it down so that he wasn't tied to Albion any longer and from what we hear will join a club abroad meaning we get nothing in return for bringing him through.

Ive got no sympathy for him at all, he has gone backwards and whilst his attitude stays that way he will only continue to go backwards

2 years ago he was the brightest striker coming through in England, now he is a lazy carthorse playing for himself and not doing himself any favours.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 18, 2016, 04:48:59 PM
A serious injury and he will be finished.
He should have got his head down and signed a new contract.
Total plank.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 04:50:16 PM
2 seasons ago he was bumped up to that 16k a week from £850 because he did the business on the pitch, its ok maximising your earning potential but you are not going to get huge wages if a. you are not doing it on the pitch and b. having off-field issues whilst trying to make your way in the game as a young player

Sorry but Berahino is not worth 3 times his current wages as he simply doesnt justify it..

If I remember correctly he was offered a huge contract by us in the summer to sign worth a huge amount of money and he wouldnt sign it so he had the opportunity to maximise his earning potential and turned it down so that he wasn't tied to Albion any longer and from what we hear will join a club abroad meaning we get nothing in return for bringing him through.

Ive got no sympathy for him at all, he has gone backwards and whilst his attitude stays that way he will only continue to go backwards

2 years ago he was the brightest striker coming through in England, now he is a lazy carthorse playing for himself and not doing himself any favours.

Tom, I normally agree with what you post but if you think Berahino's talents don't warrant 45k+/week then you've got it wrong. There are strikers who won't get 20 goals a season in the Prem that are on more than that. Whether players wages are inflated is another subject entirely, but I can assure you, he will be on more than 50k/week, this time next year, because he is worth it (sorry David Ginola)..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 18, 2016, 04:54:21 PM
Tom, I normally agree with what you post but if you think Berahino's talents don't warrant 45k+/week then you've got it wrong. There are strikers who won't get 20 goals a season in the Prem that are on more than that. Whether players wages are inflated is another subject entirely, but I can assure you, he will be on more than 50k/week, this time next year, because he is worth it (sorry David Ginola)..

They don't warrant that at the moment though is my point, 2 seasons ago he scored 20 goals in all comps and got given 16k a week, since then he has nosedived.

Ive no doubt he will get 50k+ a week somewhere but thats purely because he won't have a transfer fee not because he has done enough to warrant those kind of wages
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 18, 2016, 06:44:33 PM
Pulis told Berahino at the start of last season he could leave and wasn't part of his plans. Peace didn't sell him and he's not performed since. I think there are a number of people who are culpable for the Berahino that we have today and it won't get better (for him or us) until he has left. It is a shame considering the amount of work that we had invested in him over many number of years but football is a ruthless industry and you rarely have control of your own destiny.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 18, 2016, 06:44:39 PM
That's what happens when you get ****** over in a gentleman's agreement. You blame him, but you don't know what he was promised behind closed doors. Peace has **** all over his employees in the past, and has continued to do so up until his departure. I'm not saying Berahino isn't a prick, but put yourself in his shoes for a minute rather than forming a judgement on what you read?

You don't know what was promised either, isn't it about time you let go of your dislike of Peace and looked objectively at Berahinos behaviour from his loan, immature texts, inhaling laughing gas, driving antics to his poor performances etc. etc.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 18, 2016, 07:46:44 PM
Pulis told Berahino at the start of last season he could leave and wasn't part of his plans. Peace didn't sell him and he's not performed since. I think there are a number of people who are culpable for the Berahino that we have today and it won't get better (for him or us) until he has left. It is a shame considering the amount of work that we had invested in him over many number of years but football is a ruthless industry and you rarely have control of your own destiny.

Peace didn't sell him because we didn't receive anything like an acceptable offer for him.  Being told that he can leave does not equate to being given away.  Spurs made a ridiculous offer at way past the 11th hour which they knew would never be acceptable, hoping that Berahino would force the move.  That caused all the problems with Berahino.  Spurs and Levy are as much to blame as anybody for what then ensued.

Personally I think we should have sold Berahino last month for £20m-plus, but I've heard from decent sources that the player had no interest whatsoever in moving to Stoke, Palace or Watford, and no other clubs were interested, hence he wasn't sold.  We can't force him to go where he's got no interest in going.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 08:39:39 PM
You don't know what was promised either, isn't it about time you let go of your dislike of Peace and looked objectively at Berahinos behaviour from his loan, immature texts, inhaling laughing gas, driving antics to his poor performances etc. etc.

Actually mate, I do know what was promised. Also, re-read my posts, I backed Peace for the job he has done, that doesn't mean he is above criticism. He did certain things amazingly well, but other things not so good.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 08:41:19 PM
Peace didn't sell him because we didn't receive anything like an acceptable offer for him.  Being told that he can leave does not equate to being given away.  Spurs made a ridiculous offer at way past the 11th hour which they knew would never be acceptable, hoping that Berahino would force the move.  That caused all the problems with Berahino.  Spurs and Levy are as much to blame as anybody for what then ensued.

Personally I think we should have sold Berahino last month for £20m-plus, but I've heard from decent sources that the player had no interest whatsoever in moving to Stoke, Palace or Watford, and no other clubs were interested, hence he wasn't sold.  We can't force him to go where he's got no interest in going.

Bang on, and that was the problem. He wanted a move, didn't get it, small clubs came in and that wasn't acceptable to him. Rightfully so too, as  he was made promises, which were reneged.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 08:43:27 PM
Saido said he wouldn't play for Peace again, not the club. Either way it was naive and very stupid on his part but far from a hanging offence.

That's what happens when you get ****** over in a gentleman's agreement. You blame him, but you don't know what he was promised behind closed doors. Peace has **** all over his employees in the past, and has continued to do so up until his departure. I'm not saying Berahino isn't a prick, but put yourself in his shoes for a minute rather than forming a judgement on what you read?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 18, 2016, 08:51:30 PM
Bang on, and that was the problem. He wanted a move, didn't get it, small clubs came in and that wasn't acceptable to him. Rightfully so too, as  he was made promises, which were reneged.

But the "promise" cannot have been a blanket one. The deal still had to be acceptable to the club.  The club can't have "reneged" unless it had turned down what should have an acceptable offer from a club which Berahino was prepared to go to.

Spurs offering £23m on the last day of the window, payable £6m upfront, £3m a year for 4 years plus £5m if Spurs win the Champions League cannot constitute a "renege" if we turned it down.  Him wanting to go there was irrelevant - Spurs weren't offering the club an acceptable deal.

I believe Stoke for sure and possibly Palace offered a deal which was acceptable to the club this summer.  Berahino refused to go. It was right to refuse to go there just as much as it was the club's right to turn down Spurs' "offer".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 18, 2016, 08:52:48 PM
It say everything about what a top club thinks of him that the only takers were Stoke, Palace and Watford

Even going on a free won't guarantee a big club coming for him it will still be your Stokes and Palaces.

His actions alone along with his attitude will see him fail to hit the highs he craves

He may well get a move to a Chelsea but only to fill homegrown quotas

He has gone backwards and only has himself to blame I'm sorry too say

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on September 18, 2016, 08:57:45 PM
Can't stand the little rat but its no coincidence that Saido star tailed off from the moment pulis rocked up at Albion, he hasn't exactly played to the players strengths, will he regain that sparkle when he finally joins another club? I'm not so sure he will
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on September 18, 2016, 09:00:48 PM
after yesterday pulis should utilise chandil behind rondon,unless there is an injury he may not get a game again
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 18, 2016, 09:10:55 PM
But the "promise" cannot have been a blanket one. The deal still had to be acceptable to the club.  The club can't have "reneged" unless it had turned down what should have an acceptable offer from a club which Berahino was prepared to go to.

Spurs offering £23m on the last day of the window, payable £6m upfront, £3m a year for 4 years plus £5m if Spurs win the Champions League cannot constitute a "renege" if we turned it down.  Him wanting to go there was irrelevant - Spurs weren't offering the club an acceptable deal.

I believe Stoke for sure and possibly Palace offered a deal which was acceptable to the club this summer.  Berahino refused to go. It was right to refuse to go there just as much as it was the club's right to turn down Spurs' "offer".

Berahino was told he could go, the club changed their mind and that is why we have a pi**ed off player. I agree with you, we were right to turn down the offer, but Peace went back on what he had promised. I can assure you of that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 18, 2016, 09:46:51 PM
Any promise on a deal had to be based on a price that was acceptable to the club bearing in mind that the player had two years to run on his contract and at the time was our leading goal scorer. So if any part of the fee was dependent on SPURS winning the Champions League the only people Saido should have been p**sed off with were his suitors.

All that is water under the bridge but if he did turn down a move to Stoke or Palace in the hope of getting a move to somewhere better on the strength of a season getting splinters in his backside sitting on our bench then I think he is going to be deeply disappointed.

Sadly nobody wins Berahino's career is stalled the club has lost a potential decent fee.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 18, 2016, 09:48:36 PM
Berahino was told he could go, the club changed their mind and that is why we have a pi**ed off player. I agree with you, we were right to turn down the offer, but Peace went back on what he had promised. I can assure you of that.

Sorry but you are missing my point.  Being told by Peace that "he could go" was not and never could have been unconditional.  Minimum conditions had to be met otherwise he could have gone to a club of his choice for a quid. That clearly was never said or inferred.  What would have been said was "you can go provided that we get an acceptable offer".  The big question is whether that the conditions were clearly stated and understood.  It appears that they weren't, just like Odemwingie not grasping that being sold to QPR was conditional on us getting Hoilett from QPR, who then refused to come, so the deal was off.   A coincidental misunderstanding? Agents and players not listening properly?  Peace being deliberately vague?

It's very hard to conclude that the club reneged on any deal with Berahino.  Unless the asking price AND terms of payment were met, and I think this is the crux of it, then the club didn't renege. 

I think the issue was that Spurs did offer £23m, which was an acceptable price, and so Berahino might have thought he was entitled to go.  But Levy making that offer far too late on the day for us to get a replacement, and not offering anywhere near enough cash to buy a replacement even if we had time to sign one, were conditions which the club found unacceptable, so no deal. That is why Berahino feels that the club reneged, and that is why the club felt that it didn't receive an acceptable offer, hence the fallout.

I heard all this from very high up within Tottenham, from somebody totally fed up once again with Levy's pathetic attempts to avoid paying anything substantial upfront. 

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 18, 2016, 09:52:18 PM
Can't stand the little rat but its no coincidence that Saido star tailed off from the moment pulis rocked up at Albion, he hasn't exactly played to the players strengths, will he regain that sparkle when he finally joins another club? I'm not so sure he will

Absolute rubbish re Pulis, his form went when he started angling for a move.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on September 18, 2016, 11:49:59 PM
Absolute rubbish re Pulis, his form went when he started angling for a move.
the time frame  from when Saido tailed off to pulis rocking up at Albion aint that far apart.season 14/15 he scored 20 goals how many the second half of the seson when pulis came in january 15 i couldnt say,but its a fair point to say pulis hasnt played him like previous managers as he aint big enough up top for him and limited as he cant head a ball.used to think he could possibly play number 10 but we now know he cant.hes finished under pulis because he hasnt the physicality or stature to play in a pulis C/F role and anyway we dont need him now,sooner hes gone the better for all concerned
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 19, 2016, 07:11:04 AM
Absolute rubbish re Pulis, his form went when he started angling for a move.

For me its when he got called up for England, started reading the press and believing the hype, and having an agent who thought he could make a fortune.....

I wonder if SB is still keen on that move to Stoke?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 19, 2016, 07:32:46 AM
For me its when he got called up for England, started reading the press and believing the hype, and having an agent who thought he could make a fortune.....

I wonder if SB is still keen on that move to Stoke?

Any hopes he had of a big money move to a Champions League club have all but vanished.
He might even have to take a step backwards in order to try and resurrect his carear, that might mean a move to a Championship club. With his behavioural record he might be glad of the move to Stoke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Matty on September 19, 2016, 07:49:36 AM
14/15 season Berahino scored seven league goals under Irvine and seven under Pulis (if you count West Ham away as Pulis's first game).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on September 19, 2016, 08:18:27 AM
In hindsight it is a shame that one of our own academy products has 209 pages of discussion about him, yet 150 of those are probably non footballing related and more related to him leaving/wanting him to leave/his attitude.

At the end of the day, regardless of what has happened both parties have suffered, we have missed the boat of getting some decent money in for a wantaway player, and his career has stalled for 2 years.

The only silverlining to this story is that hes only going to be here for another 7/8 months.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 19, 2016, 08:52:36 AM
In hindsight it is a shame that one of our own academy products has 209 pages of discussion about him, yet 150 of those are probably non footballing related and more related to him leaving/wanting him to leave/his attitude.

At the end of the day, regardless of what has happened both parties have suffered, we have missed the boat of getting some decent money in for a wantaway player, and his career has stalled for 2 years.

The only silverlining to this story is that hes only going to be here for another 7/8 months.

I really think he will be gone in January.  If he hasn't been sold then we might as well do a loan deal as it will increasingly become a toxic atmosphere if he's still here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on September 19, 2016, 08:57:59 AM
I really think he will be gone in January.  If he hasn't been sold then we might as well do a loan deal as it will increasingly become a toxic atmosphere if he's still here.

Letting him go in January would be tricky, as no club would be willing to pay anything more than 5-6 million for him as hes out of contract, the only way I think we will sell in January is if we have a big suspicion that hes looking to go abroad, even then he might just refuse the move.

All in all, I will be glad when its all over. We saw on saturday what a good player in the '10' position can do, 2 goals and 2 assists.

I would rather have Robson Kanu as back up to Rondon aswell, so for me he just doesnt fit in the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on September 19, 2016, 09:00:20 AM
Berahino was told he could go, the club changed their mind and that is why we have a pi**ed off player. I agree with you, we were right to turn down the offer, but Peace went back on what he had promised. I can assure you of that.
If true it seems remarkably similar to what Odemwingie hinted at. JP it would seem has left us with a very disgruntled young man as well as costing the club a considerable amount of money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 19, 2016, 09:09:58 AM
I would imagine it was more a case of Berahino can go if we get the right offer in.  We didn't get the right offer, so he didn't go (rightly or wrongly).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 09:19:25 AM
If true it seems remarkably similar to what Odemwingie hinted at. JP it would seem has left us with a very disgruntled young man as well as costing the club a considerable amount of money.

Perhaps both players don't understand the word "if".
Allegedly Dan Ashworth told Odemwingie he could go "if" we could get a suitable replacement. We didn't, so he didn't.

By the same argument Saido could have been told he could go "if" the deal was right for WBA & we could get a suitable replacement. The Spurs offer allegedly wasn't right for us, so the "if" condition wasn't met.

Just like being at work. You get a bonus "if" certain conditions are met, "if" you don't meet them, you don't get the bonus, disappointing, but that's the deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 19, 2016, 09:48:17 AM
That's true, in the same way that Peace was looking out for himself by denying him the move. I agree that Peace was right to stand his ground, but I also feel it's unfair to hammer Berahino for doing what's right for him. It's not like the kid is on 100k/week.

I'll hammer him for not doing the job he's paid to do to the best of his ability while under contract, he's not on massive money in the grand scheme of things but he'll still be earning more in a week than some on here earn in a year. The very least I expect from players is to make use of their talent when called upon, everyone has bad games but this lad doesn't look the least bit interested and that I can't accept.

Peace was fine standing his ground in that first window with Spurs messing us about with those late bids but we proved our point at the time. The next window when we had offers over £20m realistically we really should have sold him as it was clear he wasn't willing to give his all for us and nothing has changed. Ultimately this mess will cost the club a fortune and cost Saido his career to a point as he's stood still for the best part of two years, absolutely no winners from all of this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 19, 2016, 09:55:12 AM
Letting him go in January would be tricky, as no club would be willing to pay anything more than 5-6 million for him as hes out of contract, the only way I think we will sell in January is if we have a big suspicion that hes looking to go abroad, even then he might just refuse the move.

All in all, I will be glad when its all over. We saw on saturday what a good player in the '10' position can do, 2 goals and 2 assists.

I would rather have Robson Kanu as back up to Rondon aswell, so for me he just doesnt fit in the team.

If Berahino had been in Rondon's position on Saturday, he wouldn't have played Chadli in and the chance would have been wasted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 19, 2016, 10:50:56 AM
Let's not pretend Saido's appalling behavior suddenly started when he wanted a move, he's been a vile individual from a young age.

Remember his loan spell at Brentford? 4 goals in two games but sent packing as the manager said that he's just not worth the hassle. Upon speaking to Brentford and finding out about how he'd behaved Hodgson recommended that he was sacked, only for Ashworth to beg that he got another chance.

He's universally disliked by his team mates, the senior ones have even talked with the coaching staff to ensure he isn't allowed near the young players, due to concern about his influence.

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on September 19, 2016, 11:43:29 AM


He's universally disliked by his team mates, the senior ones have even talked with the coaching staff to ensure he isn't allowed near the young players, due to concern about his influence.

Really? Yet he's in contact with all of them & England U21 colleagues on social media
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 19, 2016, 11:49:14 AM
Really? Yet he's in contact with all of them & England U21 colleagues on social media

Well, that's that then.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on September 19, 2016, 05:10:52 PM
not sure if this is old news but it says he has rejected a new 4year contract.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/849926924?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 19, 2016, 05:26:41 PM
not sure if this is old news but it says he has rejected a new 4year contract.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/849926924?-11200:789:0

It is old news.

Reported a few weeks back.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on September 20, 2016, 10:51:45 PM
it would have been good business to have done a straight swap with spurs for chandli then we would still have 13m to spend,this makes me think spurs don't want berahino anymore,really cant see us getting more than 12m in next transfer window for him,does anybody know if we get anything at a tribunal when is contract is run out or can he go on a free?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on September 20, 2016, 11:05:08 PM
It is old news.

Reported a few weeks back.
Definately OLD NEWS....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 21, 2016, 12:23:48 AM
it would have been good business to have done a straight swap with spurs for chandli then we would still have 13m to spend,this makes me think spurs don't want berahino anymore,really cant see us getting more than 12m in next transfer window for him,does anybody know if we get anything at a tribunal when is contract is run out or can he go on a free?

Not so much didn't want him (although they may well have been put off by his behaviour) but didn't need him, having bought alternative strikers.

The tribunal situation is very well documented elsewhere on this thread.  If he stays in England we would get compensation of anything between £10m and possibly even £15m as he's a home-grown Academy player.  If he gives abroad then we get around £400,000 compensation, which is why he's threatening to go abroad and then sign a contract with another club from there. He and his agent would make a fortune at our club's expense as he'd no doubt get a large signing-on fee.

Mind you, if he does nothing between now and May then his club options will be extremely limited.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 21, 2016, 12:31:52 AM
Not so much didn't want him (although they may well have been put off by his behaviour) but didn't need him, having bought alternative strikers.

The tribunal situation is very well documented elsewhere on this thread.  If he stays in England we would get compensation of anything between £10m and possibly even £15m as he's a home-grown Academy player. If he gives abroad then we get around £400,000 compensation, which is why he's threatening to go abroad and then sign a contract with another club from there. He and his agent would make a fortune at our club's expense as he'd no doubt get a large signing-on fee.

Mind you, if he does nothing between now and May then his club options will be extremely limited.

He's threatening to do it, where did he say that?

To be quite honest, we didn't pay a fee for him (granted he came through the academy which has been invested in highly)... so who cares if we don't make anything aslong as the issue is resolved one way or another?

Would much rather see him go for nothing and the board etc focus on improving us overall than waste time on something/someone for the sake of making a few quid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 21, 2016, 06:30:24 AM
He's threatening to do it, where did he say that?

To be quite honest, we didn't pay a fee for him (granted he came through the academy which has been invested in highly)... so who cares if we don't make anything aslong as the issue is resolved one way or another?

Would much rather see him go for nothing and the board etc focus on improving us overall than waste time on something/someone for the sake of making a few quid.

From the clubs point of view I doubt if the money is a major concern now, if it was they could quite easily have taken Stokes offer in the transfer window.
I think its more about the club making a statement to the rest of the academy players and the outside football world that we won't be dicked about and dictated to by some little snivelling upstart.
It also serves as an example to the younger players that how quickly a very promising carear can go belly up if you get big bolloxs syndrome.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 21, 2016, 07:25:36 AM
He's threatening to do it, where did he say that?

To be quite honest, we didn't pay a fee for him (granted he came through the academy which has been invested in highly)... so who cares if we don't make anything aslong as the issue is resolved one way or another?

Would much rather see him go for nothing and the board etc focus on improving us overall than waste time on something/someone for the sake of making a few quid.

He didn't directly, but Jon Smith was very clearly referring to him doing just that during an interview at the end of the transfer window.  That seems to be very clearly his game plan.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on September 21, 2016, 07:38:54 AM
Not so much didn't want him (although they may well have been put off by his behaviour) but didn't need him, having bought alternative strikers.

The tribunal situation is very well documented elsewhere on this thread.  If he stays in England we would get compensation of anything between £10m and possibly even £15m as he's a home-grown Academy player.  If he gives abroad then we get around £400,000 compensation, which is why he's threatening to go abroad and then sign a contract with another club from there. He and his agent would make a fortune at our club's expense as he'd no doubt get a large signing-on fee.

Mind you, if he does nothing between now and May then his club options will be extremely limited.

Forgive me on this, but how can he go abroad when he's contracted to us till end of June like the rest of the squad. I thought he could only speak to foreign clubs  in January and move with the clubs approval. Is there a rule about playing for 3 clubs in a year?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on September 21, 2016, 08:02:21 AM
Forgive me on this, but how can he go abroad when he's contracted to us till end of June like the rest of the squad. I thought he could only speak to foreign clubs  in January and move with the clubs approval. Is there a rule about playing for 3 clubs in a year?

He could sign a pre contract in January with a club abroad, and I think im right in saying that if he doesnt 'play' for the team, then they can sell him/loan him out?

Just out of curiousity, does the tribunal amount differ if he signs for a premier league team as opposed to a championship team?

I still have a funny feeling he will sign for someone like Celtic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 21, 2016, 09:05:42 AM
From the clubs point of view I doubt if the money is a major concern now, if it was they could quite easily have taken Stokes offer in the transfer window.
I think its more about the club making a statement to the rest of the academy players and the outside football world that we won't be dicked about and dictated to by some little snivelling upstart.
It also serves as an example to the younger players that how quickly a very promising carear can go belly up if you get big bolloxs syndrome.

£20m is still a hell of a lot of money for us and could have bought in a player of real quality. For me not selling him this summer is one of the biggest mistakes this club has ever made.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie82 on September 21, 2016, 09:12:51 AM
The club will lose £20m over this which is gross negligence. I know who I hold responsible, it's a rich bloke in Jersey.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on September 21, 2016, 09:25:44 AM
Saido turned out to be a bad un, simple - that's life. Plus the club managed him badly (Peace, Garlick and Pulis should all take some blame I guess). The situation has not help Saido, it's not helped the club but as tuamigos said, the club have put down a marker we won't be messed with so for future youngsters, they should be well aware a contract at Albion means a contract at Albion.

You know, I'd prefer us to focus on youngsters like Leko, Field, Kane and Roberts who could make more of an impact at our club on the pitch over time than Saido has. Saido is gone now. We have some great kids so lets focus on the positives.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 21, 2016, 09:52:59 AM
£20m is still a hell of a lot of money for us and could have bought in a player of real quality. For me not selling him this summer is one of the biggest mistakes this club has ever made.

I agree, but I think the money is now a side issue, the club must know that they have messed up but prepared to take the knock on this one
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 21, 2016, 10:24:29 AM
He didn't directly, but Jon Smith was very clearly referring to him doing just that during an interview at the end of the transfer window.  That seems to be very clearly his game plan.

Well there we go then, "seems to be very clearly his game plan" being the key sentence. people are assuming that's going to happen and no disrespect to anyone at all on here but it's been made very clear recently that no one knows as much as they claim to know.

Everyone knows the club keeps their cards very close to their chest and the majority we see or hear is just rumours that are far from facts.

Like someone else has just said, we have some promising talented youngsters coming through atm, would rather the club focus on them and focus on improving the squad overall..... whatever happens with Saido happens, if we don't get a penny ok we missed out this time.. we should then learn from that for future reference, if we do get anything then great it's a bonus. 

But clearly not a single person on here has a clue how the whole Saido situation is going to pan out, regardless how much they claim to know.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 21, 2016, 10:33:30 AM
The club will lose £20m over this which is gross negligence. I know who I hold responsible, it's a rich bloke in Jersey.

Newcastle offered us £24m cash on 31st January. Absolute shocker!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 21, 2016, 03:31:44 PM
The club will lose £20m over this which is gross negligence. I know who I hold responsible, it's a rich bloke in Jersey.

Who offered £20m?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 21, 2016, 03:48:15 PM
Who offered £20m?

I believe that was the Stoke offer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 21, 2016, 04:18:21 PM
Was it cash or loaded with clauses? I had heard that Berahino refused to go to Stoke, but don't know how true that is.

Personally i don't believe that a player at his stage of development (lets not forget, he's 23 rather than 18) can willfully throw away 18 months of his career like he has and simply switch it back on after gaining a move to a new club.

My belief is that he will struggle badly, he's a mess physically too - at his age his body should be fairly constant but the fluctuations in his weight is very alarming.

(http://i2.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article8602464.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Tony-Pulis-sends-Saido-Berahino-on-as-an-early-substitute-for-West-Bromwich-Albion-at-Burnley.png)

(http://i3.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article10812243.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/JS81495332.jpg)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 21, 2016, 04:22:55 PM
It was £17m up front, with £3m add-ons. Quite reasonable really.

I had the engine running just in case!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 21, 2016, 04:33:12 PM
If we had taken the Newcastle offer he would now be causing an issue for Newcastle and playing championship football

We should have let him go there
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 21, 2016, 04:35:25 PM
The club will lose £20m over this which is gross negligence. I know who I hold responsible, it's a rich bloke in Jersey.

Really?? Bizarrely I blame the player

JP doesnt have to accept bids that fall below our valuation, and its the player who is now looking to go abroad for free to do us out of any compensation.

That tells you all you need to know about Saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on September 21, 2016, 04:44:33 PM
Was it cash or loaded with clauses? I had heard that Berahino refused to go to Stoke, but don't know how true that is.

Personally i don't believe that a player at his stage of development (lets not forget, he's 23 rather than 18) can willfully throw away 18 months of his career like he has and simply switch it back on after gaining a move to a new club.

My belief is that he will struggle badly, he's a mess physically too - at his age his body should be fairly constant but the fluctuations in his weight is very alarming.

(http://i2.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article8602464.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Tony-Pulis-sends-Saido-Berahino-on-as-an-early-substitute-for-West-Bromwich-Albion-at-Burnley.png)

(http://i3.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article10812243.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/JS81495332.jpg)

The size of him and Lambert in the second pic  :o

Add Myhill in too, looks like a Tuesday night at Slimming World
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 21, 2016, 04:50:31 PM
He's got some serious booty.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 21, 2016, 04:51:42 PM
His shirt says "Quick! Boo!"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 21, 2016, 04:59:18 PM
Was it cash or loaded with clauses? I had heard that Berahino refused to go to Stoke, but don't know how true that is.

Personally i don't believe that a player at his stage of development (lets not forget, he's 23 rather than 18) can willfully throw away 18 months of his career like he has and simply switch it back on after gaining a move to a new club.

My belief is that he will struggle badly, he's a mess physically too - at his age his body should be fairly constant but the fluctuations in his weight is very alarming.

(http://i2.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article8602464.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Tony-Pulis-sends-Saido-Berahino-on-as-an-early-substitute-for-West-Bromwich-Albion-at-Burnley.png)

(http://i3.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article10812243.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/JS81495332.jpg)

I wouldn't know as i dont use instagram (only have a browse on friends when they have interesting things to show me!  ;D) but me and a few guys at work were talking about his weight the other day actually and one of them said there is a video clip on his instagram from a couple of weeks ago and he does something and takes his top off and apparently hes not got an ounce of fat on him just pure muscle...

But for me to make an instagram to check on a guys body might of been a bit strange when explaining that to the guys at work  ??? ::)

maybe tone has told him to bulk up so defenders cant knock him off balance whilst battling for all the long balls?  :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 21, 2016, 05:08:39 PM
You don't have to get fat to get heavier and render yourself immobile.

Agbonlahor did the same.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 21, 2016, 05:12:22 PM
You don't have to get fat to get heavier and render yourself immobile.

Agbonlahor did the same.

They say muscle ways heavier than fat, however true that may or not be...

but according to the guy who told me about his 'top off vid', he's (built like a brick pooh house for how skinny he used to be years ago) <-- his words not mine, i tend to not take too much notice of young lads bodies   :-*
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 21, 2016, 06:03:32 PM
They say muscle ways heavier than fat, however true that may or not be...

but according to the guy who told me about his 'top off vid', he's (built like a brick rubbish house for how skinny he used to be years ago) <-- his words not mine, i tend to not take too much notice of young lads bodies   :-*

A pound of muscle weighs exactly the same as a pound of fat, however, muscle is denser and also more compact than fat  ;) .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 21, 2016, 07:18:49 PM
Once again, no one knows, I suspect we will get compensation, Berahino will get mediocrity somewhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on September 21, 2016, 07:34:17 PM
Once again, no one knows, I suspect we will get compensation, Berahino will get mediocrity somewhere.
And to think this thread is next to the Laurie Cunningham one...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 21, 2016, 08:04:04 PM
Once again, no one knows, I suspect we will get compensation, Berahino will get mediocrity somewhere.

We'll get 800k compensation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 21, 2016, 09:13:07 PM
We'll get 800k compensation.

Your believing paper talk.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 22, 2016, 03:16:00 PM
Yeah, there'll be compensation and because of his status it'll be more than £800k.  It just won't be £20m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 22, 2016, 03:20:01 PM
Unless he goes abroad and then we will get nothing for him....

I hope he does go abroad he will be lost to the annals of history then
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on September 22, 2016, 03:21:11 PM
Unless he goes abroad and then we will get nothing for him....

I hope he does go abroad he will be lost to the annals of history then

Or he will just come straight back to the league, thus screwing us out of any money
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 22, 2016, 03:32:17 PM
Or he will just come straight back to the league, thus screwing us out of any money

Thats my point he will poss go abroad to do us out of money

in all honesty, who cares though really about getting any money for him, if he was older he could run his contract down and leave for free anyway

I would rather he was just stuck in the u-23's for the season, made to train with the kids and then kicked out at the first opportunity...

He has wrecked his career anyway i reckon...no big club will come calling and as I've said before if they do it will be purely to fill homegrown quotas and he will spend his time on the bench or in the stands...

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on September 22, 2016, 03:52:47 PM
Thats my point he will poss go abroad to do us out of money

in all honesty, who cares though really about getting any money for him, if he was older he could run his contract down and leave for free anyway

I would rather he was just stuck in the u-23's for the season, made to train with the kids and then kicked out at the first opportunity...

He has wrecked his career anyway i reckon...no big club will come calling and as I've said before if they do it will be purely to fill homegrown quotas and he will spend his time on the bench or in the stands...

Which goes to show what a screwed up individual he really is......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on September 22, 2016, 03:59:04 PM
Thats my point he will poss go abroad to do us out of money

in all honesty, who cares though really about getting any money for him, if he was older he could run his contract down and leave for free anyway

I would rather he was just stuck in the u-23's for the season, made to train with the kids and then kicked out at the first opportunity...

He has wrecked his career anyway i reckon...no big club will come calling and as I've said before if they do it will be purely to fill homegrown quotas and he will spend his time on the bench or in the stands...


Yep agree with that. Saido will never achieve what he could've , he's really damaged his career to the extent where it's almost impossible for him to hit the heights his talents deserve.

Talk about stupid, the boy is an idiot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 22, 2016, 04:48:29 PM
When he gets his move to something like Stoke he'll have his chance.  Knocks in 20 goals then his time at West Brom will be ignored.

I think his attitude will prevent him from fulfilling his potential which is a shame. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 22, 2016, 05:17:14 PM
When he gets his move to something like Stoke he'll have his chance.  Knocks in 20 goals then his time at West Brom will be ignored.

I think his attitude will prevent him from fulfilling his potential which is a shame.
He is as thick as a bowl of stale porridge.Got no time for him and his ilk.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on September 22, 2016, 05:22:36 PM
Regarding his tribunal fee, it would be very interesting legally if he went to Udinese who then loaned him out to Watford - as both clubs are owned by the same family. I imagine they wouldn't even try it due to the fallout but it would be an interesting situation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 22, 2016, 05:38:46 PM
Regarding his tribunal fee, it would be very interesting legally if he went to Udinese who then loaned him out to Watford - as both clubs are owned by the same family. I imagine they wouldn't even try it due to the fallout but it would be an interesting situation.
I thought that as well? And it would surly have to be clamped down on?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 23, 2016, 10:59:20 AM
I thought that as well? And it would surly have to be clamped down on?

Why when his contract ends,he is free to do whatever he wants (within the law)?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on September 23, 2016, 11:24:25 AM
Why when his contract ends,he is free to do whatever he wants (within the law)?
You are quite right saying he can do what he wants within legal boundaries but ethically its wrong he is just using a loophole to get around a fair compensation payout for the club.
Personally i  would give him the option of staying away from the club and if he did show up put him train ing by himself he is toxic .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 23, 2016, 11:47:18 AM
Thats my point he will poss go abroad to do us out of money

in all honesty, who cares though really about getting any money for him, if he was older he could run his contract down and leave for free anyway

I would rather he was just stuck in the u-23's for the season, made to train with the kids and then kicked out at the first opportunity...

He has wrecked his career anyway i reckon...no big club will come calling and as I've said before if they do it will be purely to fill homegrown quotas and he will spend his time on the bench or in the stands...

The senior players & coaching staff have made it very clear that under no circumstances should he be allowed anywhere near the young players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 23, 2016, 09:07:57 PM
The senior players & coaching staff have made it very clear that under no circumstances should he be allowed anywhere near the young players.

If true they ain't doing a very good job as he is with them quite a lot, all most people who have opinions believe is what they see for 90 mins most Saturdays... it goes way beyond that as he is actually quite close to a few of the players at the club.

I think he has a very very long way to go to get near a top club, but he has age on his side atm so it's not impossible, he has the potential somewhere behind all the negativity and publicity he gets himself into..... as much as everyone hates him, but, in regards to people saying he don't get on with the players etc.... it's all rubbish, very recently he has been seen out socialising with certain members of the squad and not just the youngsters.

Will be interesting to see where he ends up though when he does eventually go
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 23, 2016, 11:42:01 PM
Put him behind us.
We won't make anything from him.
He has blown it all himself.
Basically I am saying is........ forget him.
If we get something financial..OK.
If if not..what have we lost except pride about of what he could have achieved if he had kept his head and worked on his talents.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 24, 2016, 02:05:37 PM
If if not..what have we lost except pride about of what he could have achieved if he had kept his head and worked on his talents.

Err, around £20m?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 24, 2016, 02:08:07 PM
Err, around £20m?

Gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on September 24, 2016, 02:12:33 PM
Gone.
Good. done nothing for 18 months so wont be missed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on September 24, 2016, 02:15:48 PM
He and Galloway have a virus according to the Express and Star.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 24, 2016, 03:57:55 PM
Err, around £20m?

But we ain't losing £20m, we didn't pay £20m for him... yes we have invested money into the academy and time and effort into him, but there's a lot of players we have invested time in (youth players that is), not everyone of them are going to make us any profit so does it really matter if we don't get anything for him aslong as the situation is sorted?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kamarasboot on September 24, 2016, 07:46:31 PM
But we ain't losing £20m, we didn't pay £20m for him... yes we have invested money into the academy and time and effort into him, but there's a lot of players we have invested time in (youth players that is), not everyone of them are going to make us any profit so does it really matter if we don't get anything for him aslong as the situation is sorted?

Really? So let's talk through this through - someone gives you painting, you put it into a cupboard. 10 years later you want to use that cupboard but need to clear it out, when clearing it out you find out that the said painting is a master piece and worth 20m - do you just chuck it away because you want the cupboard and situation sorted? Doubt it.

Massive clanger dropped by the hierarchy if he moves abroad and for nothing at the end of his contract, bad enough if we only get half of the 20m for ok tribunal.

Considering we as fans have been hammered with the 'we run the club as a business' line for years this is a massive cock up. Most seem happy to berate Pulis at he moment but this is acceptable because Berahino has acted like a tit? Afraid not, terrible by the club if it pans out like everyone's expecting.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 24, 2016, 08:01:37 PM
Really? So let's talk through this through - someone gives you painting, you put it into a cupboard. 10 years later you want to use that cupboard but need to clear it out, when clearing it out you find out that the said painting is a master piece and worth 20m - do you just chuck it away because you want the cupboard and situation sorted? Doubt it.

Massive clanger dropped by the hierarchy if he moves abroad and for nothing at the end of his contract, bad enough if we only get half of the 20m for ok tribunal.

Considering we as fans have been hammered with the 'we run the club as a business' line for years this is a massive cock up. Most seem happy to berate Pulis at he moment but this is acceptable because Berahino has acted like a tit? Afraid not, terrible by the club if it pans out like everyone's expecting.

I fail to see the comparison...one gains monetary value whilst the others value decreases year on year.

We don't lose 20m, because we haven't shelled out 20m to sign him.

Its a shame as he is now whats called a 'could have been'...let him rot until he goes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kamarasboot on September 24, 2016, 08:44:31 PM
I fail to see the comparison...one gains monetary value whilst the others value decreases year on year.

We don't lose 20m, because we haven't shelled out 20m to sign him.

Its a shame as he is now whats called a 'could have been'...let him rot until he goes
How do you fail to see the comparison? - one is given for nothing and worth 20m, one is developed for nothing and worth 20m. Yet the answer is let him rot until he goes?

If your argument is he cost us nothing then we lose nothing it's just plain daft. Irrelevant of what the kid has done or is doing we could have taken 20m for him. Now ask yourself since that offer have we had 20m in value from him. I'd argue nowhere near, he's hardly played the club should have took the 20m, but because he's been a tit we seem to be accepting of the situation???

And if we think the club are some sort of ground breakers holding him to his contract and not giving in to player power then we're mistaken, all we've done is shoot our selves in the foot and cut our noses off the spite our face.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 24, 2016, 09:02:55 PM
Really? So let's talk through this through - someone gives you painting, you put it into a cupboard. 10 years later you want to use that cupboard but need to clear it out, when clearing it out you find out that the said painting is a master piece and worth 20m - do you just chuck it away because you want the cupboard and situation sorted? Doubt it.

We're not just 'chucking him away', for a start he's been out of form for some time which is a shame because at times he shown great potential... whilst I believe in the right team with the right attitude he can be a top player (whoever says he's not any good don't know jack all about football, it's not easy scoring goals in the Prem and he's proved at a young age he can do that quite easily).... but anyone signing him are taking a big gamble due to the publicity he has...it may put other teams off him, if that's his fault or partly other people's fault is a different story that we won't get into. We can't force teams to want to buy him.... why keep him here to not get any game time and when he does he gets played out of position? We are not benefiting from here being here the way things are and he's not exactly kept himself in the shop window has he?.

Massive clanger dropped by the hierarchy if he moves abroad and for nothing at the end of his contract, bad enough if we only get half of the 20m for ok tribunal.

None of us know the facts of offers we received, only rumours but it seems as though the right offer wasn't made. Would you sell something to someone who wasn't giving you what you believe is the right value for it?

Considering we as fans have been hammered with the 'we run the club as a business' line for years this is a massive cock up. Most seem happy to berate Pulis at he moment but this is acceptable because Berahino has acted like a tit? Afraid not, terrible by the club if it pans out like everyone's expecting.

Key part, 'everyone's expecting', when in fact I could put my mortgage on atleast 95% of members on here don't have a clue what's going on at the club although they speak like they do.

If the club or us fans are expecting money for Saido the only real option is for the club to use him and play him regular in his best position, whilst the fans support him and hope he will hit some kind of form and score goals to make clubs interested in him and believe he is worth something... which I believe is never going to happen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 24, 2016, 09:29:38 PM
The truth is there are so many mistakes in this sorry saga it is difficult to know where to begin but everyone is a loser.

The club is almost certainly losing out on a fee either totally or partially depending on where Berahino ends up. The player has wasted two years of his career and may never recover from the set back.

While he has been a bit of an idiot and does deserve the criticism that he gets the club hierarchy haven't played a blinder either.

At the outset of last summer someone should have sat Pulis down and asked the question "What role will Saido have in your team?" If the answer was anything other than "Main striker and I'm looking to play to his strengths" we sell for the best price we can get and reinvest the money. Okay that might have meant we spent £10m on Matt Phillips but even that would be preferable to the current situation which unfortunately was one of the more likely outcomes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 24, 2016, 10:06:51 PM
You are quite right saying he can do what he wants within legal boundaries but ethically its wrong he is just using a loophole to get around a fair compensation payout for the club.
Personally i  would give him the option of staying away from the club and if he did show up put him train ing by himself he is toxic .

Ethics in football 

Give me strength
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 24, 2016, 10:49:34 PM
How do you fail to see the comparison? - one is given for nothing and worth 20m, one is developed for nothing and worth 20m. Yet the answer is let him rot until he goes?

If your argument is he cost us nothing then we lose nothing it's just plain daft. Irrelevant of what the kid has done or is doing we could have taken 20m for him. Now ask yourself since that offer have we had 20m in value from him. I'd argue nowhere near, he's hardly played the club should have took the 20m, but because he's been a tit we seem to be accepting of the situation???

And if we think the club are some sort of ground breakers holding him to his contract and not giving in to player power then we're mistaken, all we've done is shoot our selves in the foot and cut our noses off the spite our face.

Because I fail to see the comparison that's why... as I said you are comparing something that increases in value year in year out to something that decreases in value.

You are talking hypothetically whereas I'm talking in fact

No matter what someone is willing to pay at the time it's based on his contract and worth to his owning club at some point he becomes valueless in terms of a fee and a person isn't worth any money to anyone else whereas your painting you seem to like comparing too is and will continue to gain value

Also in your comparison you also fail too see that your painting although given away for free was infact a masterpiece and worth millions to start with whereas our player was worth zilch to start with leaves for zilch so nothing has been lost

If I'm daft thinking like that well I won't say what I think of your mental capabilities comparing a worthless player with an expensive painting

No comparison whatsoever

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on September 25, 2016, 01:24:50 AM
Because I fail to see the comparison that's why... as I said you are comparing something that increases in value year in year out to something that decreases in value.

You are talking hypothetically whereas I'm talking in fact

No matter what someone is willing to pay at the time it's based on his contract and worth to his owning club at some point he becomes valueless in terms of a fee and a person isn't worth any money to anyone else whereas your painting you seem to like comparing too is and will continue to gain value

Also in your comparison you also fail too see that your painting although given away for free was infact a masterpiece and worth millions to start with whereas our player was worth zilch to start with leaves for zilch so nothing has been lost

If I'm daft thinking like that well I won't say what I think of your mental capabilities comparing a worthless player with an expensive painting

No comparison whatsoever

So accurate word for word.

me personally, his attitude and off the pitch antics don't bother me one bit im not paying his wages so i ignore it... i only judge any footballer based on their football and although he shown some great potential that one season when he scored a few goals, we are not seeing the same saido at this moment in time. Be that because of his attitude, the coaching staff, confidence, played out of position or any other reason we can all say this and that but the fact people assume we are loosing out big time is stupid.

like you say we payed zilch for him so if we get zilch back we aint lost anything, we just haven't gained anything other than one season which is past where his goals played part in us stopping up, to see any profit at all from him with a sale we need;

1) a less negative manager/head coach - saido is an attacking player so to play in a defensive side aint no good for him or us, its pointless he's out of place
2) him to be played in his best position - saido is more effective playing off the shoulder of defenders, running onto balls and scoring, he's too short to be winning long balls in the air and his heading aint exactly his strongest point is it
3) when he's warming up we need to either support him or if people cant bring themself to do that, atleast ignore him - booing a player only knocks their confidence even more so its as they say 'don't bite off your nose to spite your face'

that will then put him back in the shop window providing he starts scoring goals...  clubs would then start sniffing around if they saw he can get back to how he was before the whole spurs drama, then just maybe we could get a profit from him.

But 1) we have pulis in charge, 2) the style of play is not going to change just cause we now have chadli and 3) fans are not going to give in.


In reality we have an unhappy player who is now no use to us and a bunch of unhappy fans because he's still at our club, he will leave then we will still have unhappy fans because we never got £20m for him. Can the club ever win?  ::)


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 25, 2016, 12:44:45 PM
This idea that we've paid nothing for him so if we get nothing back that's ok is insane.  I'm sorry, the painting comparison is valid.  Just because something cost you nothing does not mean it's ok to get nothing for it.  If I gave you a Ferrari, would you then give it away for nothing?  Like it or not, Berahino is a club asset, that asset's value has gone up and now it has taken a sharp drop.  Or put it this way, if we'd sold him last summer for £3m, should we be chuffed to bits for making £3m profit? 

This summer the board knew he would be out of contract and they knew he wouldn't be signing a new one.  We must of had offers on the table that the board turned down.  He'll go in the summer for less than what we could have got for him all because of poor decisions from the board.

Now, there might be some mitigating circumstances in this.  Maybe no firm offers came in until it was too late so we couldn't go into the season with just HRK and Rondon up top?  Or maybe the offers are less than what we think we'd get from a tribunial (hoho).  BUT regardless, we should have got rid as soon as the window opened and looked to reinvest that money.  Maybe we could have nipped in and got Slimani (for example) with the money we were going to spend + the Berahino money.  Yeah, we might have paid more than we wanted for a player but now that money isn't there and we're stuck with a player who doesn't want to be here.

The club have dropped a massive clanger, maybe not last year, but not selling him this summer was obviously a massive mistake.  As you say, we have an unhappy player that's no use to us, and unhappy fans because he's still at the club. 

The way for the club to "win" was to sell him in the summer and cut their losses.  What the club have done is given us the worst of both worlds. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 25, 2016, 12:58:30 PM
This idea that we've paid nothing for him so if we get nothing back that's ok is insane.  I'm sorry, the painting comparison is valid.  Just because something cost you nothing does not mean it's ok to get nothing for it.  If I gave you a Ferrari, would you then give it away for nothing?  Like it or not, Berahino is a club asset, that asset's value has gone up and now it has taken a sharp drop.  Or put it this way, if we'd sold him last summer for £3m, should we be chuffed to bits for making £3m profit? 

This summer the board knew he would be out of contract and they knew he wouldn't be signing a new one.  We must of had offers on the table that the board turned down.  He'll go in the summer for less than what we could have got for him all because of poor decisions from the board.

Now, there might be some mitigating circumstances in this.  Maybe no firm offers came in until it was too late so we couldn't go into the season with just HRK and Rondon up top?  Or maybe the offers are less than what we think we'd get from a tribunial (hoho).  BUT regardless, we should have got rid as soon as the window opened and looked to reinvest that money.  Maybe we could have nipped in and got Slimani (for example) with the money we were going to spend + the Berahino money.  Yeah, we might have paid more than we wanted for a player but now that money isn't there and we're stuck with a player who doesn't want to be here.

The club have dropped a massive clanger, maybe not last year, but not selling him this summer was obviously a massive mistake.  As you say, we have an unhappy player that's no use to us, and unhappy fans because he's still at the club. 

The way for the club to "win" was to sell him in the summer and cut their losses.  What the club have done is given us the worst of both worlds.

Why is it insane??

If we went out signed a player for 25m on a 4 yr contract and he then let his contract run down he could move for free and we get nothing.

That for me is more insane than a youth player coming through the ranks breaking through looking the real deal only to then make some huge mistakes lose his ability too play to a standard required and then look to possibly leave and go abroad to screw the club out of a tribunal fee.

The painting comparison is not valid at all in my honest neither is your Ferrari one, because if you gave me a Ferrari but I was already a millionaire and owned a couple of ferraris a Lambo and Porsche there is every possibility I wouldn't care less about the Ferrari you gave me.

Why do people love bringing up analogies that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic and are open to factors that invalidate your analogies completely
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 25, 2016, 01:11:02 PM
His goals in the 2014/15 season kept us in the division and are worth any transfer fee, if he goes for nothing, we have still done okay out of him.

I don't believe all the manipulation transfer deal paper talk, if it happens, then we could have been more astute, if he leaves for a UK club, we will get compensation, either way, it is what it is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nocky on September 25, 2016, 04:19:31 PM
This idea that we've paid nothing for him so if we get nothing back that's ok is insane.  I'm sorry, the painting comparison is valid.  Just because something cost you nothing does not mean it's ok to get nothing for it.  If I gave you a Ferrari, would you then give it away for nothing?  Like it or not, Berahino is a club asset, that asset's value has gone up and now it has taken a sharp drop.  Or put it this way, if we'd sold him last summer for £3m, should we be chuffed to bits for making £3m profit? 

This summer the board knew he would be out of contract and they knew he wouldn't be signing a new one.  We must of had offers on the table that the board turned down.  He'll go in the summer for less than what we could have got for him all because of poor decisions from the board.

Now, there might be some mitigating circumstances in this.  Maybe no firm offers came in until it was too late so we couldn't go into the season with just HRK and Rondon up top?  Or maybe the offers are less than what we think we'd get from a tribunial (hoho).  BUT regardless, we should have got rid as soon as the window opened and looked to reinvest that money.  Maybe we could have nipped in and got Slimani (for example) with the money we were going to spend + the Berahino money.  Yeah, we might have paid more than we wanted for a player but now that money isn't there and we're stuck with a player who doesn't want to be here.

The club have dropped a massive clanger, maybe not last year, but not selling him this summer was obviously a massive mistake.  As you say, we have an unhappy player that's no use to us, and unhappy fans because he's still at the club. 

The way for the club to "win" was to sell him in the summer and cut their losses.  What the club have done is given us the worst of both worlds.

All of the above. Crazy to suggest we've not lost out if Saido goes on a free. Sure we got him for nothing but that's 20m we could have used for much needed reinforcements. It's not looking like a good business decision at present.

For a club of our stature and financial resources, the academy should be an important means of generating revenue. Look at how much Southampton have made from selling of their best youngsters. Losing Saido for next to nothing would be a tragedy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 25, 2016, 04:35:56 PM
Why is it insane??

If we went out signed a player for 25m on a 4 yr contract and he then let his contract run down he could move for free and we get nothing.

That for me is more insane than a youth player coming through the ranks breaking through looking the real deal only to then make some huge mistakes lose his ability too play to a standard required and then look to possibly leave and go abroad to screw the club out of a tribunal fee.

The painting comparison is not valid at all in my honest neither is your Ferrari one, because if you gave me a Ferrari but I was already a millionaire and owned a couple of ferraris a Lambo and Porsche there is every possibility I wouldn't care less about the Ferrari you gave me.

Why do people love bringing up analogies that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic and are open to factors that invalidate your analogies completely

Of course an analogy isn't going to match exactly - otherwise it wouldn't be an analogy.  The whole point of them is to compare they don't have to be a perfect replication.  In the Ferrari example, no, you're not a multimillionaire with loads of Ferrari's, the car just represents the idea of having something of value given to you for next to nothing.

Ignore the analogies then...

Our board could have taken £20m in the summer.  Chose not to.  Now we have a disinterested player who will go for about £5m in the summer. 

Good business decision or not?

Your example is just as bad, if anything it highlights the folly of what we're doing with Berahino. 

If we sign a player for £25m on a 4 year contract, then that's what we're getting.  We know that up front, that's the deal.  We've paid £25m to get this player on a 4 year contract.  If it's allowed to run down and for him to leave that is no different to what the board has done with Berahino except in Berahino's case it's worse because we've turned down what seem to be perfectly reasonable offers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 25, 2016, 04:37:59 PM
All of the above. Crazy to suggest we've not lost out if Saido goes on a free. Sure we got him for nothing but that's 20m we could have used for much needed reinforcements. It's not looking like a good business decision at present.

For a club of our stature and financial resources, the academy should be an important means of generating revenue. Look at how much Southampton have made from selling of their best youngsters. Losing Saido for next to nothing would be a tragedy.

It's not crazy at all

In the whole scheme of things we don't lose anything that's a fact, you are arguing that we should have accepted a bid for him, we didn't, JP is not what I would call a person with no business sense so I'll leave it to others to argue whether this was a bad business decision or not.

As long as he stays within the UK we will get a decent tribunal fee, if he goes abroad it won't be somewhere of any significance and he won't get big wages and will quite possibly push his career back even more..either way I don't care


Isn't it weird though that in 2012 Hodgson recommended we sack him and Ashworth pleaded to give him his chance...he took it at first but soon reverted to type with his misdemeanours off the pitch and now his downturn in form on the pitch

Won't miss him at all

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 25, 2016, 04:45:46 PM
Of course an analogy isn't going to match exactly - otherwise it wouldn't be an analogy.

Ignore the analogies...

Our board could have taken £20m in the summer.  Chose not to.  Now we have a disinterested player who will go for about £5m in the summer. 

Good business decision or not?

I couldn't really answer that to be honest no one but those at the club can

For all we know the bids might have been 20m but only 5m upfront and the rest based on career projections due to his obviously renowned attitude so perhaps those 20m+ bids would never have materialised which is why the club turned them down.

So then those 20m bids are actually meaningless and the real figures are much less

Let's also not forget he turned Stoke down so he is to blame for not leaving when he had the chance too...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on September 25, 2016, 04:48:24 PM
I couldn't really answer that to be honest no one but those at the club can

For all we know the bids might have been 20m but only 5m upfront and the rest based on career projections due to his obviously renowned attitude so perhaps those 20m+ bids would never have materialised which is why the club turned them down.

So then those 20m bids are actually meaningless and the real figures are much less

Let's also not forget he turned Stoke down so he is to blame for not leaving when he had the chance too...

That's a fair point - if the offers were stupidly poor then maybe we are right to turn him down.  Sturridge went for £6.5m in the end as a tribunal fee and I doubt the offers would have been that poor. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 25, 2016, 04:52:47 PM
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That's a fair point - if the offers were stupidly poor then maybe we are right to turn him down.  Sturridge went for £6.5m in the end as a tribunal fee and I doubt the offers would have been that poor.

Ings went for 10m at Tribunal.

I'd expect similar or more if he stays over here

Although I don't think he is worth that personally or at least not anymore
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 25, 2016, 04:59:23 PM
It's not crazy at all

In the whole scheme of things we don't lose anything that's a fact, you are arguing that we should have accepted a bid for him, we didn't, JP is not what I would call a person with no business sense so I'll leave it to others to argue whether this was a bad business decision or not.

As long as he stays within the UK we will get a decent tribunal fee, if he goes abroad it won't be somewhere of any significance and he won't get big wages and will quite possibly push his career back even more..either way I don't care


Isn't it weird though that in 2012 Hodgson recommended we sack him and Ashworth pleaded to give him his chance...he took it at first but soon reverted to type with his misdemeanours off the pitch and now his downturn in form on the pitch

Won't miss him at all

I don't think he has any intention of actually playing abroad.  Seems that he would merely sign for a co-operating foreign club and then get immediately get loaned back to an English club.  Seems to be nothing to prevent it and it gets around the tribunal fee rules.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 25, 2016, 05:35:03 PM
I don't think he has any intention of actually playing abroad.  Seems that he would merely sign for a co-operating foreign club and then get immediately get loaned back to an English club.  Seems to be nothing to prevent it and it gets around the tribunal fee rules.

But he will have to sign for the foreign club who will then out a price tag on him knowing what English clubs will pay so exactly the same situation he is in with us

How many co owned clubs are there in the Prem?? 1 I can think of Watford and I cant see him wanting to go there either
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 25, 2016, 06:20:24 PM
But he will have to sign for the foreign club who will then out a price tag on him knowing what English clubs will pay so exactly the same situation he is in with us

How many co owned clubs are there in the Prem?? I can think of Watford and I cant see him wanting to go there either

I don't think you understand the plan.  The foreign club will just be a facilitator.  There are many foreign clubs who would very happily take a £500k facilitation fee.  No need for them to be co-owned at all.  It's the easiest money they will ever make and is petty cash to Berahino and his agent who will pocket many millions as a signing-on fee with an English club when he's a free agent.  The foreign club is needed solely to avoid the tribunal fee.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on September 25, 2016, 06:31:47 PM
One day, that excuse for a man, will learn that the grass is not always greener on the other side. He should have taken what is reported to be a sizeable pay rise from us and continued playing for us. After all, he's not a particularly special player. I can see him slide even further down the slippery slope. He hasn't shown anything much in the past few seasons so why would any club want to line his and his agent's pockets with millions of pounds.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 25, 2016, 06:39:06 PM
I don't think you understand the plan.  The foreign club will just be a facilitator.  There are many foreign clubs who would very happily take a £500k facilitation fee.  No need for them to be co-owned at all.  It's the easiest money they will ever make and is petty cash to Berahino and his agent who will pocket many millions as a signing-on fee with an English club when he's a free agent.  The foreign club is needed solely to avoid the tribunal fee.

No I understand the plan entirely.

Ive never seen a transfer of that type ever so it would be very murky waters.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 25, 2016, 06:44:20 PM
One day, that excuse for a man, will learn that the grass is not always greener on the other side. He should have taken what is reported to be a sizeable pay rise from us and continued playing for us. After all, he's not a particularly special player. I can see him slide even further down the slippery slope. He hasn't shown anything much in the past few seasons so why would any club want to line his and his agent's pockets with millions of pounds.

I cannot see after another non-season for him anyone wanting to pay him the huge amounts of money or signing on fee's that he thinks he can command...that ship has sailed I reckon

on loan in the championship within 3-4 years

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on September 25, 2016, 06:54:59 PM
I cannot see after another non-season for him anyone wanting to pay him the huge amounts of money or signing on fee's that he thinks he can command...that ship has sailed I reckon

on loan in the championship within 3-4 years
. With a little luck . Couldn't give a toss about the ungrateful little  s**t
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 25, 2016, 07:08:50 PM
I don't think you understand the plan.  The foreign club will just be a facilitator.  There are many foreign clubs who would very happily take a £500k facilitation fee.  No need for them to be co-owned at all.  It's the easiest money they will ever make and is petty cash to Berahino and his agent who will pocket many millions as a signing-on fee with an English club when he's a free agent.  The foreign club is needed solely to avoid the tribunal fee.

This isn't how it works.

The suggestion is, Berahino signs a pre-contract agreement somewhere between January and July with a foreign club. He then transfers to that club on a free transfer on July 1st. They then have to honour whatever contract he has signed with them. Then he would be sold/loaned to a Premier League club.

If your suggestion is they'll sell him for a nominal fee or the original contract offered by the foreign club will meet all Berahino's salary and signing on expectations and the Premier League club will assume responsibility for paying this contract for the duration of the loan then it could possibly work.

He is never a free agent except when he leaves us for the foreign team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nocky on September 25, 2016, 07:25:33 PM
It's not crazy at all

In the whole scheme of things we don't lose anything that's a fact, you are arguing that we should have accepted a bid for him, we didn't, JP is not what I would call a person with no business sense so I'll leave it to others to argue whether this was a bad business decision or not.

As long as he stays within the UK we will get a decent tribunal fee, if he goes abroad it won't be somewhere of any significance and he won't get big wages and will quite possibly push his career back even more..either way I don't care


Isn't it weird though that in 2012 Hodgson recommended we sack him and Ashworth pleaded to give him his chance...he took it at first but soon reverted to type with his misdemeanours off the pitch and now his downturn in form on the pitch

Won't miss him at all

Jeremy Peace is not immune from making bad business decisions. See Alan Irvine and numerous shambolic transfer windows as just some evidence of that.

Simple economic question for you - Are we going to get 20m for him via tribunal? No. What value have we had from him since we rejected that bid? Very little. IMO we'd have been better of taking the offer on the table and reinvesting that into an aging squad lacking in quality.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 25, 2016, 08:28:55 PM
Jeremy Peace is not immune from making bad business decisions. See Alan Irvine and numerous shambolic transfer windows as just some evidence of that.

Simple economic question for you - Are we going to get 20m for him via tribunal? No. What value have we had from him since we rejected that bid? Very little. IMO we'd have been better of taking the offer on the table and reinvesting that into an aging squad lacking in quality.

Simple question...

Can you confirm the actual structure of any transfer bid we had that would equate to us getting a guaranteed 20m for him?

Every deal I've seen has been a very small upfront payment with structured payments based on appearances, teams getting into the champions league and england appearances.

Ive not seen any bids where its a straight upfront transfer otherwise for me the deals would have been done, its more obvious that there are question marks over Saido hence the deals falling through as they do not give us the money allowing us to reinvest heavily into the squad.

We had a deal with Stoke apparently but Saido turned it down.

People are getting wrapped up in this 20m offers without actually seeing what we would actually receive...

Id rather get 10m in a tribunal for him which would be upfront, than 4-5m upfront and the rest based on clauses being met, especially when you know his attitude and the way he has conducted himself here means it would more than likely happen again elsewhere and therefore invalidate any clauses in a structured payment meaning we don't get the rest of the transfer fee

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 25, 2016, 08:34:06 PM
Jeremy Peace is not immune from making bad business decisions. See Alan Irvine and numerous shambolic transfer windows as just some evidence of that.

Simple economic question for you - Are we going to get 20m for him via tribunal? No. What value have we had from him since we rejected that bid? Very little. IMO we'd have been better of taking the offer on the table and reinvesting that into an aging squad lacking in quality.

Absolutely he is not, however the shambolic transfer windows are only what we as fans have called it. He has done enough to protect his investment which has resulted an a near 200m sale of the club, not too shabby for someone who has apparently made some bad decisions.

Id say the guy is a very astute businessman....I dare anyone to reject that

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 25, 2016, 08:36:44 PM
Absolutely he is not, however the shambolic transfer windows are only what we as fans have called it. He has done enough to protect his investment which has resulted an a near 200m sale of the club, not too shabby for someone who has apparently made some bad decisions.

Id say the guy is a very astute businessman....I dare anyone to reject that
Agree £ for £ the best in the league
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 25, 2016, 08:38:31 PM
No I understand the plan entirely.

Ive never seen a transfer of that type ever so it would be very murky waters.

Nor have I, but neither have I seen anybody take Berahino's stance before.

I am 100% certain that it would be entirely legal, based in what a prominent sports lawyer has told me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 25, 2016, 08:43:37 PM
This isn't how it works.

The suggestion is, Berahino signs a pre-contract agreement somewhere between January and July with a foreign club. He then transfers to that club on a free transfer on July 1st. They then have to honour whatever contract he has signed with them. Then he would be sold/loaned to a Premier League club.

If your suggestion is they'll sell him for a nominal fee or the original contract offered by the foreign club will meet all Berahino's salary and signing on expectations and the Premier League club will assume responsibility for paying this contract for the duration of the loan then it could possibly work.

He is never a free agent except when he leaves us for the foreign team.

No, you don't understand it either.  You're missing the role of the co-operating club abroad who will earn a juicy fee for facilitating the whole thing.  The easiest money they will ever make.  He won't ever kick a ball fur them and they'll happily take £500k or £1m for signing some paperwork to facilitate it.  Very attractive to a French Ligue 2 club I believe.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 25, 2016, 09:13:00 PM
No, you don't understand it either.  You're missing the role of the co-operating club abroad who will earn a juicy fee for facilitating the whole thing.  The easiest money they will ever make.  He won't ever kick a ball fur them and they'll happily take £500k or £1m for signing some paperwork to facilitate it.  Very attractive to a French Ligue 2 club I believe.

Fraid not chap, what paperwork do you think they (a French Ligue 2 club) can sign with Berahino and his agent that allows SB to move to a Premier League club on free transfer without compensation?

The only way it works are the 2 totally unrealistic scenario's I have offered previously.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on September 25, 2016, 09:20:47 PM
 What about signing for a club abroad that is under the same ownership as one here?. e,g Granada and Watford
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 25, 2016, 09:42:33 PM
Worse case scenario he goes abroad for a free what have we lost?

£20m - only if Stoke or Palace offered that without add-on's but only then if the player would accept the move and there is plenty of indication that he wasn't that interested.

£5m to £10m which was the reported cash element of the Spurs bid plus possibly the easiest tranche of the the add-on's but let's face it Saido's issues have been well documented and he could quite easily have bombed out at Spurs.

The tribunal fee which if doesn't play much this season probably will be no more than about £5m.

Also consider that had we bought a player for £10m to replace him last season and put him on a 3 year contract that would have cost us about £3m in fees and  another £2m in wages by the time Berahino goes.

Purely from a balance sheet perspective unless someone offered £20m cash then we haven't lost that much. The bigger issue is the lost opportunity to do something better, having a player that fitted the Coach's plans and wanted to be at the club. Our mistake was with two years on his contract we should have actively sold the player and at that stage I think we could have got more interest than just Spurs so we would have got a better deal.

Incidentally if Berahino wants to shaft us on the tribunal fee it is straight forward. Joins random club abroad for free on nominal wage contract loaned to Premier League club with the option to buy for a nominal fee the day after. I think it is more likely that he tries his luck abroad.

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 25, 2016, 09:53:21 PM
Fraid not chap, what paperwork do you think they (a French Ligue 2 club) can sign with Berahino and his agent that allows SB to move to a Premier League club on free transfer without compensation?

The only way it works are the 2 totally unrealistic scenario's I have offered previously.

You're still not getting it.

French club signs him for free.  They do a deal to let him move a week later for free to a Premier League club.  They give up all rights to any selling fee in return for a facilitation fee of £500k or £1m.  They get that just for the paperwork and for having had him on their books for a week.  It's a business arrangement.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Every step in the process is legal.  Berahino wins. His agent wins.  The French club wins.  The new English club gets a player on the cheap.  Our club loses.  Very simple, and there's nothing we can do about it apart from try to sell him in January for a club that he wants to go to. But by then, why wouldn't he wait till next summer?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 25, 2016, 10:26:28 PM
You're still not getting it.

French club signs him for free.  They do a deal to let him move a week later for free to a Premier League club.  They give up all rights to any selling fee in return for a facilitation fee of £500k or £1m.  They get that just for the paperwork and for having had him on their books for a week.  It's a business arrangement.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Every step in the process is legal.  Berahino wins. His agent wins.  The French club wins.  The new English club gets a player on the cheap.  Our club loses.  Very simple, and there's nothing we can do about it apart from try to sell him in January for a club that he wants to go to. But by then, why wouldn't he wait till next summer?

What contract does he sign with the European club mate? I accept and understand what you are saying, but you are getting into very murky waters here. Who pays this facilitation fee? Why has no one done this before, the moneyball owners of Liverpool for example to save themselves £10 million on Danny Ings? Doesn't add up and isn't viable.

Standaman has it right, nominal fees will be involved in any move of this type, but there will be no closet and dagger secret agreements or payments.

The risk in your scenario and an obvious one at that is once Berahino has done the deal with the European team, they will suddenly fancy £20 million instead of £500k... and the contract he will have signed with them will be for peanuts because that's all they've got. Good luck with that one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 25, 2016, 11:06:17 PM
What contract does he sign with the European club mate? I accept and understand what you are saying, but you are getting into very murky waters here. Who pays this facilitation fee? Why has no one done this before, the moneyball owners of Liverpool for example to save themselves £10 million on Danny Ings? Doesn't add up and isn't viable.

Standaman has it right, nominal fees will be involved in any move of this type, but there will be no closet and dagger secret agreements or payments.

The risk in your scenario and an obvious one at that is once Berahino has done the deal with the European team, they will suddenly fancy £20 million instead of £500k... and the contract he will have signed with them will be for peanuts because that's all they've got. Good luck with that one.

He could sign a 4-year contract with the foreign club if he liked, as the foreign club would have pre-agreed to sell him without compensation beyond the facilitation fee. The length of contract would make no difference.

It didn't happen re Ings because Ings wasn't looking to shaft Burnley by having an axe to grind.  Nobody else has been as devious as Berahino and his agent who are determined to get retribution and cash in.   Rest assured it will get clamped down on if it is exploited, but it's legal. 

Your scenario of the foreign club wanting £20m is not relevant.  The separate agreement between Berahino and that foreign club will be watertight in ensuring that the foreign club forgoes everything other than the facilitation fee.  Simple law of contract.

The only possible legal attack is to argue that the initial transfer is all a sham, but I'm told that under current law there is simply nothing to attack it on those grounds.






Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 26, 2016, 12:47:28 AM
What contract does he sign with the European club mate? I accept and understand what you are saying, but you are getting into very murky waters here. Who pays this facilitation fee? Why has no one done this before, the moneyball owners of Liverpool for example to save themselves £10 million on Danny Ings? Doesn't add up and isn't viable.

Standaman has it right, nominal fees will be involved in any move of this type, but there will be no closet and dagger secret agreements or payments.

The risk in your scenario and an obvious one at that is once Berahino has done the deal with the European team, they will suddenly fancy £20 million instead of £500k... and the contract he will have signed with them will be for peanuts because that's all they've got. Good luck with that one.

There is nothing stopping any club using a bed and breakfast arrangement with an overseas club to circumvent the Under 23 tribunal rule. Two things however stop it, firstly it requires the active collusion of the player and most don't want to shaft their current clubs. Secondly for instance in the Ings case Liverpool understand they are still getting a decent discount on the open market value and equally they have a vested interest in the tribunal system as it offers them protection where they lose an under 23 player (e.g.Sinclair) on a "free" so they don't want to drive a coach and horses through it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cad on September 26, 2016, 11:24:23 AM
As I understand it, Berahino is a free agent on 1st July, he signs for a foreign club without any tribunal payment. The contract he signs with them has a very small release clause. He can then be bought by a premier league team who trigger the release clause in a normal transfer. All of this could happen in the same week.

The foreign club sign him for nothing and sell him for something, pure profit.
The premier league team he signs for will have to pay the very small transfer fee, a signing on fee for Berahino, and some rather large agents fees, but all of this will be less than what we were asking for him.

As standaman says, this type of deal is only possible if the player and agent arrange it, and in the case of Ings, I don't think he was looking to screw Burnley...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 26, 2016, 11:38:42 AM
As far as I'm concerned he can go and we don't actually lose anything, he has been paid for his time at the club but as with any player these days they can run their contract down and leave for free...the only bonus is we haven't shelled out any transfer fee for him in the first place.

Will I miss him - No

Will the club miss him - On the basis of the last 18 months...again No

The only loser is Berahino who has wasted a major part of his career development and may never get back to the heights he hit with us.

I honestly cant see a big club touching him, he will at best get a Stoke or yet again another mid table or recently promoted team

either way if he goes on to be a top striker I still won't care, His attitude here and on loan at clubs has been shocking for years and this is the result of his attitude.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on September 26, 2016, 12:03:06 PM
As I understand it, Berahino is a free agent on 1st July, he signs for a foreign club without any tribunal payment. The contract he signs with them has a very small release clause. He can then be bought by a premier league team who trigger the release clause in a normal transfer. All of this could happen in the same week.


Not correct. A player can not join two separate clubs permanently in the same transfer window. It would have to be a loan which was then made permanent in January.

If these conspiracy theories are true, there will be clubs planning ahead 12 months and hoping for the best. What happens if a Fletcher smashes him during training in May and Berahino ends up with a broken leg... Training ground injuries happen all the time. (Cynical wink ;) )


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 26, 2016, 12:17:19 PM
Zeki Fryers is proof of how things can get exploited.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 26, 2016, 12:28:17 PM
We all know how Berahino and his agent will operate, it will be to extract the maximum amount they can for both of themselves. If they both put as much effort into making sure he was making himself undroppable in the team we would have a top player on our side.

Instead they have probably ruined any chance of the huge signing on fee and wages they could have received

Agent should be banned in my honest and the PFA in charge of player contracts. Football is going down a slippery slope at the moment and although I've never liked it perhaps centralised contracts should be considered
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 26, 2016, 12:39:44 PM
I actually don't care.

We've not seen him for two games and it's been lovely to not see his fat backside waddling around and the sideshow that goes with it.

If the last I see of him is him bumping into people, getting in the way and generally wheezing round the pitch against Boro then i'll be a happy man.

He cost us nothing, so we've only lost out on speculative money which we don't really need. WBA will still be here long after he's gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on September 26, 2016, 01:28:34 PM
Not correct. A player can not join two separate clubs permanently in the same transfer window. It would have to be a loan which was then made permanent in January.

If these conspiracy theories are true, there will be clubs planning ahead 12 months and hoping for the best. What happens if a Fletcher smashes him during training in May and Berahino ends up with a broken leg... Training ground injuries happen all the time. (Cynical wink ;) )
Perish the thought he might get seriously injured before he leaves the club  ;).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 26, 2016, 02:15:29 PM
I actually don't care.

We've not seen him for two games and it's been lovely to not see his fat backside waddling around and the sideshow that goes with it.

If the last I see of him is him bumping into people, getting in the way and generally wheezing round the pitch against Boro then i'll be a happy man.

He cost us nothing, so we've only lost out on speculative money which we don't really need. WBA will still be here long after he's gone.

I'm with this.

Quite frankly - I'll be quite happy if I never see him play again for us. I'd much rather see someone like Rondon or Robson-Kanu who actually look like they're happy to be here and are not going to stink the place out with an appalling attitude.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on September 26, 2016, 02:37:31 PM
I would be very surprised if a premier league team signs him, I know he had a dozen or so good games a few years ago and scored some penaltys but on all recent form and with his baggage and attitude he will do well to sign for a top half championship team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ronnie Allen on September 26, 2016, 05:02:25 PM
It's interesting to speculate, but surely the easiest thing for him to do is go and get paid a shed load in China. Big payday for him and his agent. He can always come back when we've all forgotten what an unprofessional brat he is.

The other scenarios just seem like too much trouble.  The contract situation will come under a different legal jurisdiction once he's left and signed for a foreign club, so we're a bit in the dark here.  But as I see it, there are two problems:

1. It assumes that there is  club somewhere, let's say in Europe, which is happy to have him parked there for a week or a month or whatever for minimal return (or if, as Stokelad suggests, he can't move clubs  more than once in a window, for three months.  This means the initial buying club will need to pay him and probably play him for three months).  Now if you are, say, a Ligue 2 side skimping for every penny, are you really going to forego the potential return on a notional £20,000,000 asset to do a favour for a big boy for peanuts?

2. If the club he first goes to makes agreement to sell him on for a notional amount to a EPL club, would that be a binding contract since it is made before they actually own his playing contract?  Would it be enforceable if the first club decided to try to cash in? If players' contracts all have to be lodged with the club's FA, would they sanction the kind of agreement being talked about.

I love these what if threads  :-\
Mike
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 27, 2016, 07:22:40 PM
It's interesting to speculate, but surely the easiest thing for him to do is go and get paid a shed load in China. Big payday for him and his agent. He can always come back when we've all forgotten what an unprofessional brat he is.

The other scenarios just seem like too much trouble.  The contract situation will come under a different legal jurisdiction once he's left and signed for a foreign club, so we're a bit in the dark here.  But as I see it, there are two problems:

1. It assumes that there is  club somewhere, let's say in Europe, which is happy to have him parked there for a week or a month or whatever for minimal return (or if, as Stokelad suggests, he can't move clubs  more than once in a window, for three months.  This means the initial buying club will need to pay him and probably play him for three months).  Now if you are, say, a Ligue 2 side skimping for every penny, are you really going to forego the potential return on a notional £20,000,000 asset to do a favour for a big boy for peanuts?

2. If the club he first goes to makes agreement to sell him on for a notional amount to a EPL club, would that be a binding contract since it is made before they actually own his playing contract?  Would it be enforceable if the first club decided to try to cash in? If players' contracts all have to be lodged with the club's FA, would they sanction the kind of agreement being talked about.

I love these what if threads  :-\
Mike

Stokelad is right that players can't move twice between clubs in the same transfer window.  However, there's a subtle difference here.

Berahino's first move would not be "between clubs".  He'd be leaving us at the end of his contract on 30th June as a free agent.  After that he is free to sign for another club, in this case abroad.  Signing as a free agent is not in any way restricted by the transfer window.  It is only transfers of registrations between clubs which are limited to just one such move within the same window.

I still don't think he even has to kick a ball for the foreign club.  Sign for the club as a free agent on 1st August.  Transfer or loan to an English club on 2nd August.  Only the latter transfer is governed by the transfer window rules.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on October 01, 2016, 02:14:36 AM
Club offering this twonk a new contract, I'd let him go too much water under bridge and all that. No show for couple of seasons Albion should be going after him for trying to impersonate a professional footballer






Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 01, 2016, 04:35:50 AM
Maybe our new owner is not so happy to see Saido walk away for nothing. ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 01, 2016, 06:41:01 AM
Club offering this twonk a new contract, I'd let him go too much water under bridge and all that. No show for couple of seasons Albion should be going after him for trying to impersonate a professional footballer

More about putting handcuffs on him to stop him walking away for nothing I think.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 01, 2016, 07:59:11 AM
Not sure I want him here any longer than necessary.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 01, 2016, 08:15:18 AM
On current from there is no justification for offering him a new contract. Where is going to play in the team under Pulis?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 01, 2016, 08:18:50 AM
I think how this pans out will signal the direction of our club under the new owners.
For me, under Pulis, Berahino has very little future and he knows it. Told he could leave, played out of position, given very little support and quite often deflected onto as scapegoat for poor results. Option to walk away at the end of the season with a big signing on fee as a free agent. I  can not see any incentive for him to sign.
If he has been given a conversation about the future of our club and it doesn't involve Pulis and he has the possibility of resurrecting his career (no club bigger than us will pick him up now, imo) whilst improving his financial position then he may take it. He also knows scoring goals will win over the majority of any fans who have any issue with him (very fickle bunch!).

Doesn't Pulis' contract run out at the same time as Berahino? Anybody seen any talk of negotiating a new deal with him  :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on October 01, 2016, 08:30:27 AM
I think how this pans out will signal the direction of our club under the new owners.
For me, under Pulis, Berahino has very little future and he knows it. Told he could leave, played out of position, given very little support and quite often deflected onto as scapegoat for poor results. Option to walk away at the end of the season with a big signing on fee as a free agent. I  can not see any incentive for him to sign.
If he has been given a conversation about the future of our club and it doesn't involve Pulis and he has the possibility of resurrecting his career (no club bigger than us will pick him up now, imo) whilst improving his financial position then he may take it. He also knows scoring goals will win over the majority of any fans who have any issue with him (very fickle bunch!).

Doesn't Pulis' contract run out at the same time as Berahino? Anybody seen any talk of negotiating a new deal with him  :-X


I've got a lot of sympathy with your argument, I get the feeling that there's "things going on in the background" that we're not aware of yet.
As far as I am aware, the only media running this story is the Evening Mail, so it could be picked up by the Mirror.
Purely "click bait" for me at the moment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 01, 2016, 08:37:41 AM
Getting fit, scoring goals and playing like you care are the first things he should be doing. If he can do that people will forgive him.

If he can do all of these then he would be welcome back due to his ability, cant see it myself

The only reason he is worth a new contract is so that we get a fee right now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 01, 2016, 09:05:59 AM
His agent will tell him not to unless he screws us, big time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 01, 2016, 09:48:43 AM
I think how this pans out will signal the direction of our club under the new owners.
For me, under Pulis, Berahino has very little future and he knows it. Told he could leave, played out of position, given very little support and quite often deflected onto as scapegoat for poor results. Option to walk away at the end of the season with a big signing on fee as a free agent. I  can not see any incentive for him to sign.
If he has been given a conversation about the future of our club and it doesn't involve Pulis and he has the possibility of resurrecting his career (no club bigger than us will pick him up now, imo) whilst improving his financial position then he may take it. He also knows scoring goals will win over the majority of any fans who have any issue with him (very fickle bunch!).

Doesn't Pulis' contract run out at the same time as Berahino? Anybody seen any talk of negotiating a new deal with him  :-X

Absolute rubbish, this kid had everything going for him, HE decided to sulk, HE decided to pile the pounds on and not train properly, HE decided to drink and drive, HE decided to indulge in stupid laughing gas activities.
He has probably wasted his career, he is supposedly a professional, if he did not want to play for West Bromwich Albion until the summer of 2017, he should not have signed a contract to do so or structured it to enable a get out clause.

Trying to blame TP in any way is just opportunism and totally inaccurate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 01, 2016, 10:36:57 AM
He's not Corberan, he's a very naughty boy.

Honestly this stupid boy, in sulking, has cut his nose off to spite his face.
For all that we might worry about how he could shaft the club when he goes, truth is he has shafted himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 01, 2016, 10:51:52 AM
Absolute rubbish, this kid had everything going for him, HE decided to sulk, HE decided to pile the pounds on and not train properly, HE decided to drink and drive, HE decided to indulge in stupid laughing gas activities.
He has probably wasted his career, he is supposedly a professional, if he did not want to play for West Bromwich Albion until the summer of 2017, he should not have signed a contract to do so or structured it to enable a get out clause.

Trying to blame TP in any way is just opportunism and totally inaccurate.

Agreed, Pulis has never made a scapegoat out of him, there were times he should have, Watford at home last season, he just said everyone misses penalties, when he should have said Saido cost us 3 points.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on October 01, 2016, 11:08:43 AM
Let's break this down;


Result = a SECOND improved contract offer..... makes me wonder who's more stupid, saido or our club?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on October 01, 2016, 11:12:15 AM
Let's break this down;

  • Comes up through our academy
  • breaks into the first team, with what looks like bags of potential
  • Has a great season
  • Clubs show interest, he shows ambition and obviously wants to play for a top club (any player that don't, obviously don't believe him them self so i cant blame him)
  • Gets stick off the media for his off the pitch antics, fans also hate him
  • has a massive dip in form, can't hit a barn door atm

Result = a SECOND improved contract offer..... makes me wonder who's more stupid, saido or our club?


Has Saido been offered a new contract?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on October 01, 2016, 11:21:54 AM
On current from there is no justification for offering him a new contract. Where is going to play in the team under Pulis?

More a case of us trying to protect ourselves from him leaving for nothing. The club have made a huge mistake by not selling him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on October 01, 2016, 11:37:03 AM

Has Saido been offered a new contract?

There is one lined up, apparently
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on October 01, 2016, 12:03:10 PM
Hope he does sign a new contract with Torquay because he`s been on holiday for last 18 months and that's a nice holiday destination GET RID SOON AS POSS
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on October 01, 2016, 12:20:40 PM
Would be nice to see what he could do with Chadli in the team.

Potential there for sure.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 02, 2016, 09:51:19 AM
Absolute rubbish, this kid had everything going for him, HE decided to sulk, HE decided to pile the pounds on and not train properly, HE decided to drink and drive, HE decided to indulge in stupid laughing gas activities.
He has probably wasted his career, he is supposedly a professional, if he did not want to play for West Bromwich Albion until the summer of 2017, he should not have signed a contract to do so or structured it to enable a get out clause.

Trying to blame TP in any way is just opportunism and totally inaccurate.

TP is culpable along with JP and Berahino himself and you completely miss the point. It is about the future and what the signing of a new contract might mean. :-[

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on October 02, 2016, 05:20:05 PM
Would be nice to see what he could do with Chadli in the team.

Potential there for sure.

And with this in mind where the hell does he fit in?

Biggest waste of space at the club; get shot ASAP.

I still believe he is the the most overrated player in the whole league
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 02, 2016, 10:25:16 PM
TP is culpable along with JP and Berahino himself and you completely miss the point. It is about the future and what the signing of a new contract might mean. :-[

The point is that your post was totally inaccurate, based on absolutely nothing of any factual substance. :-*
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 03, 2016, 08:00:58 AM
The point is that your post was totally inaccurate, based on absolutely nothing of any factual substance. :-*
Pulis told Berahino he could leave?
Pulis has played him out of position?
Do our strikers receive little support?
Pulis has talked of Berahino's missed opportunities in games costing points?

But anyway...you are still missing the point.  :P

If the circumstances remain the same then I wouldn't expect any contract to be signed. If (and I don't expect it to happen) he were to sign it might suggest a future for the club that doesn't involve Pulis.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on October 03, 2016, 09:37:34 AM
I simply fail to understand the arguments of those who would like him to sign a new contract and live in hope that he will suddenly recreate himself as the saviour of the Albion. It just seems like lahlah land to me
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 03, 2016, 09:40:29 AM
I simply fail to understand the arguments of those who would like him to sign a new contract and live in hope that he will suddenly recreate himself as the saviour of the Albion. It just seems like lahlah land to me

Seems to be where a lot of people are living nowadays. How anyone could still want him here is beyond me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on October 03, 2016, 09:51:31 AM
I want him to sign a contract with the only reason being that we might get a few bob for him. Other than that I wouldn't mind never seeing him in an Albion shirt again
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on October 03, 2016, 11:29:36 AM
Seems to be where a lot of people are living nowadays. How anyone could still want him here is beyond me.

Maybe because the club know when inform, he's worth around £20m. Not everyone can score goals in the prem like he has proved he can.

Like others have mentioned though... IF he did sign, it could mean there is more changes happening at the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 03, 2016, 11:59:52 AM
Maybe because the club know when inform, he's worth around £20m. Not everyone can score goals in the prem like he has proved he can.

Like others have mentioned though... IF he did sign, it could mean there is more changes happening at the club.

We are talking about three years ago now, when he was somewhat of an unknown and showed that form. No evidence to suggest he will/can ever rediscover it and he certainly won't do it here where he has absolutely no interest in being.

The club would just see the money walking out the door and it's a desperate move from them when ultimately, we have no one else to blame but ourselves if he does go abroad for the minimum compensation. We turned down ridiculous money from Newcastle in January. That was the time to get shot. Waiting until the summer was bad enough, then we turn down another great offer from Stoke. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on October 03, 2016, 12:41:00 PM
We are talking about three years ago now, when he was somewhat of an unknown and showed that form. No evidence to suggest he will/can ever rediscover it and he certainly won't do it here where he has absolutely no interest in being.

The club would just see the money walking out the door and it's a desperate move from them when ultimately, we have no one else to blame but ourselves if he does go abroad for the minimum compensation. We turned down ridiculous money from Newcastle in January. That was the time to get shot. Waiting until the summer was bad enough, then we turn down another great offer from Stoke. Ridiculous.

Do you have any factual knowledge whatsoever that Berahino was prepared to join Newcastle or Stoke even if we had agreed to sell him?  My understanding is that he has no interest in joining Stoke and didn't fancy the risk of Newcastle getting relegated (he was right). 

A club can't sell a player to a club that he doesn't fancy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on October 03, 2016, 01:07:30 PM
We are talking about three years ago now, when he was somewhat of an unknown and showed that form. No evidence to suggest he will/can ever rediscover it and he certainly won't do it here where he has absolutely no interest in being.

The club would just see the money walking out the door and it's a desperate move from them when ultimately, we have no one else to blame but ourselves if he does go abroad for the minimum compensation. We turned down ridiculous money from Newcastle in January. That was the time to get shot. Waiting until the summer was bad enough, then we turn down another great offer from Stoke. Ridiculous.


No evidence suggests that any player is going to have another good season but clubs still pay big money for players... it's a gamble clubs will take. ( Any player can have a great season then a poor one the next)

He may not have any interest being here, but i can't see him playing sh*t on purpose... Tactics/formation/training/support (or in his case, boo's) - all have an effect on a players performance on the pitch - its a very vicious circle for a player who has urine*d off fans.

We have no evidence that we turned down ridiculous money from newcastle stoke or any other club for that matter, we only have rumours and hear say.

It's too risky and too much of a gamble to offer him a new contract just so he can't walk away for free, we are then stuck with him for longer ... unless the club want him here and he will be happy to stay, whats the point in even thinking about offering him a contract? .... there is more to it than that and im sure we will find out sooner or later.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on October 03, 2016, 01:32:14 PM
I think our only hope to get a fee for him is if a club is so desperate in January, Sunderland, Newcastle Stoke that they offer us 10 million as a last gamble
Cant see it happening myself and I said all along that we should have taken 20 million in the summer-even with no replacement
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on October 03, 2016, 02:29:59 PM
I think our only hope to get a fee for him is if a club is so desperate in January, Sunderland, Newcastle Stoke that they offer us 10 million as a last gamble
Cant see it happening myself and I said all along that we should have taken 20 million in the summer-even with no replacement
We may be the ones desperate in January, especially if Rondon gets injured. That's why it's such a shame, but too much going against him now:
Out of form, out of favour, a lot of fans turned against him and he is a bell end.

Wherever his future lies and however it pans out, I cannot see it being here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ian66 on October 03, 2016, 03:11:45 PM
We are talking about three years ago now, when he was somewhat of an unknown and showed that form. No evidence to suggest he will/can ever rediscover it and he certainly won't do it here where he has absolutely no interest in being.

The club would just see the money walking out the door and it's a desperate move from them when ultimately, we have no one else to blame but ourselves if he does go abroad for the minimum compensation. We turned down ridiculous money from Newcastle in January. That was the time to get shot. Waiting until the summer was bad enough, then we turn down another great offer from Stoke. Ridiculous.
Why would we have even considered selling to a relegation rival, as Newcastle were last january??

That was never going to happen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on October 03, 2016, 03:30:59 PM
Why would we have even considered selling to a relegation rival, as Newcastle were last january??

That was never going to happen.


That is one message the board have constantly repeated that he would not be sold to a relegation rival, £20 million loss is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of relegation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on October 03, 2016, 04:03:14 PM
Why would we have even considered selling to a relegation rival, as Newcastle were last january??

That was never going to happen.
but wouldn't we have just bought a replacement with the money received? are the club that insecure to turn down the rumoured £20m for fear of relegation. plus we have Pulis so we will NEVER get relegated. :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 03, 2016, 11:07:29 PM
but wouldn't we have just bought a replacement with the money received? are the club that insecure to turn down the rumoured £20m for fear of relegation. plus we have Pulis so we will NEVER get relegated. :(

It's a hindsight thing. If in the scenario we had sold Saido to Newcastle and he had hit form, scoring the goals to keep them up and maybe somehow plunge us into trouble, we'd have been lambasted as idiots and rightly it would have gone down as a hideous transfer.

We weren't to know at the time of keeping him he would be essentially useless for the rest of the season. It stands to logical sense that once he knows he's here he knuckles down and tries hard, to impress people and earn his move. I know he's not too smart, but an utter idiot can figure that out. It just didn't work, in part due to Pulis' tactics.

We did the right thing turning down Spurs as they were mugging us off and no matter what happens I'll keep that opinion. In an ideal world we'd have sold him this summer, got in a replacement and everyone could move on.

I bare the lad no ill will and hope he does decently in his future. He won't do well as he's not right in the head obviously, which is a shame given his background. A strong figure who genuinely cared for him, not what they could get from him could have helped Saido out hugely over the past 2 years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on October 03, 2016, 11:52:07 PM
It's a hindsight thing. If in the scenario we had sold Saido to Newcastle and he had hit form, scoring the goals to keep them up and maybe somehow plunge us into trouble, we'd have been lambasted as idiots and rightly it would have gone down as a hideous transfer.

We weren't to know at the time of keeping him he would be essentially useless for the rest of the season. It stands to logical sense that once he knows he's here he knuckles down and tries hard, to impress people and earn his move. I know he's not too smart, but an utter idiot can figure that out. It just didn't work, in part due to Pulis' tactics.

We did the right thing turning down Spurs as they were mugging us off and no matter what happens I'll keep that opinion. In an ideal world we'd have sold him this summer, got in a replacement and everyone could move on.

I bare the lad no ill will and hope he does decently in his future. He won't do well as he's not right in the head obviously, which is a shame given his background. A strong figure who genuinely cared for him, not what they could get from him could have helped Saido out hugely over the past 2 years.

I agree with this. It wasn't a mistake telling Spurs to do one, they offered small money in segments - at the time we didn't even have Rondon and it would have been suicidal, especially after Berahino's previous season. £6 million a year or so from Spurs wouldn't have helped us one bit in replacing him.
Then with Newcastle I believe it was all up-front and would have been a genuinely good deal, but you're right - it could have really harmed us. Hindsight is fine but at the time it wasn't so clear. Even last season whilst he was bad, he still scored us quite a few points with his goals (winners against Villa, Sunderland and Palace - as well as a few equalisers I believe).

Then this season it was genuinely baffling why he wasn't sold to Stoke...it may have been less but his stock had dropped and he seems more damaged now.

Anyway on to the here and now, I've held this belief for a while but I just don't think he's good enough anymore. I don't think his attitude is bad right now and has been enthusiastic for a while now, whatever his motives. I just think mentally something has switched off his footballing skills and he's a shadow of his former self for whatever reason, and it will be incredibly hard to get back.
I hope he does come good for his own sanity, but I think sadly in football it rarely happens like this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on October 04, 2016, 08:27:16 AM
I find it difficult to understand why, when we were looking for goals on Saturday against Sunderland, the lad never even got on the pitch.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 04, 2016, 08:36:58 AM
I find it difficult to understand why, when we were looking for goals on Saturday against Sunderland, the lad never even got on the pitch.

You've answered your own question.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on October 04, 2016, 08:52:50 AM
You've answered your own question.

I have to agree. Saido had a purple patch which included a few penalties and goals in cup matches against lesser opposition but has shown very little afterwards and has basically declined steadily since that purple patch which seemed to end just after January 2015.

I would expect we have more goal threat from Robson Kanu or Leko these days mainly because they'll actually put themselves about the pitch and create space for others.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 04, 2016, 09:21:51 AM
I find it difficult to understand why, when we were looking for goals on Saturday against Sunderland, the lad never even got on the pitch.

how do you know "we were looking for goals"?

pulis' teams only look for goals when they are 1,2 down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 04, 2016, 09:22:49 AM
I find it difficult to understand why, when we were looking for goals on Saturday against Sunderland, the lad never even got on the pitch.

Maybe because he's useless and over rated.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on October 04, 2016, 09:27:12 AM
I agree with this. It wasn't a mistake telling Spurs to do one, they offered small money in segments - at the time we didn't even have Rondon and it would have been suicidal, especially after Berahino's previous season. £6 million a year or so from Spurs wouldn't have helped us one bit in replacing him.
Then with Newcastle I believe it was all up-front and would have been a genuinely good deal, but you're right - it could have really harmed us. Hindsight is fine but at the time it wasn't so clear. Even last season whilst he was bad, he still scored us quite a few points with his goals (winners against Villa, Sunderland and Palace - as well as a few equalisers I believe).

Then this season it was genuinely baffling why he wasn't sold to Stoke...it may have been less but his stock had dropped and he seems more damaged now.

Anyway on to the here and now, I've held this belief for a while but I just don't think he's good enough anymore. I don't think his attitude is bad right now and has been enthusiastic for a while now, whatever his motives. I just think mentally something has switched off his footballing skills and he's a shadow of his former self for whatever reason, and it will be incredibly hard to get back.
I hope he does come good for his own sanity, but I think sadly in football it rarely happens like this.
Surely the biggest mistake was turning the Newcastle offer down,we had just beaten them, were looking relatively safe and to get that money in January when traditionally teams dont spend as much would have been a bonus we could have banked towards the summer kitty while filling the squad hole with a loan
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ian66 on October 04, 2016, 10:17:21 AM
I have to agree. Saido had a purple patch which included a few penalties and goals in cup matches against lesser opposition but has shown very little afterwards and has basically declined steadily since that purple patch which seemed to end just after January 2015.

I would expect we have more goal threat from Robson Kanu or Leko these days mainly because they'll actually put themselves about the pitch and create space for others.
I'm not a Pulis basher but, didn't Tony walk into our club then?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on October 04, 2016, 10:50:57 AM
I'm not a Pulis basher but, didn't Tony walk into our club then?

Berahino looked at his best with a five man midfield and Sessengnon behind him.   Pulis set us up differently which I think contributed to Berahino being used less as the main striker and playing on the shoulder of the opposition centre backs which is probably his best position.  This contributed to his loss of form but I'd still say 70 or 80% of his loss of form was down to him and his (big) head believing he was better than us which meant he stopped doing the basics well - like working for the team.
 
Does beg the question why the club continued to hold onto Berahino after receiving these bids , especially the summer just gone - for a player who didn't fit into the current manager's plans?

It's all a bit mad really
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on October 04, 2016, 10:54:48 AM
I think one of the biggest reasons that he is still here is down to the fact we couldn't find / attract a replacement. The club pretty much admitted that. Had Sakho signed then maybe a different story. Embarrassing really.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ian66 on October 04, 2016, 10:58:22 AM
Berahino looked at his best with a five man midfield and Sessengnon behind him.   Pulis set us up differently which I think contributed to Berahino being used less as the main striker and playing on the shoulder of the opposition centre backs which is probably his best position.  This contributed to his loss of form but I'd still say 70 or 80% of his loss of form was down to him and his (big) head believing he was better than us which meant he stopped doing the basics well - like working for the team.
 
Does beg the question why the club continued to hold onto Berahino after receiving these bids , especially the summer just gone - for a player who didn't fit into the current manager's plans?

It's all a bit mad really
Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 04, 2016, 12:37:45 PM
Lets hope this is true.

http://news.ladbrokes.com/football/premier-league/stoke-bound-to-revive-interest-in-depreciating-west-brom-striker.html

I think we've held onto him too long now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on October 04, 2016, 02:28:26 PM
I think one of the biggest reasons that he is still here is down to the fact we couldn't find / attract a replacement. The club pretty much admitted that. Had Sakho signed then maybe a different story. Embarrassing really.

For what we're getting out him at the moment, I'd have been an acceptable replacement.  Hell, a house brick would be just as useful and would cost marginally less wages.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on October 04, 2016, 03:26:07 PM
He hasn't looked interested playing for us for a year, sod him off, dragged the club through the dirt as well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on October 04, 2016, 04:36:19 PM
I'd love to know whats going on behind the scenes  ???

For a guy with no talent, poor in every way shape or form, over weight, don't want to be here, don't get on with other players and not allowed around the youth players.... He ain't half done bad for himself to get the club offering him a new improved contract for the second time.

Maybe the board should let the fans run the club, would be a perfect club then im guessing seen as everyone on here knows better, have better financial and management skills and are better scouts with better judgement of young players?  :P

Seriously though, it should be the club people are not happy with... not saido. He don't want to be here, the fans don't want him here - the feeling is mutual from both parties.... its the club that are not letting him leave!


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on October 04, 2016, 08:05:43 PM
I'd love to know whats going on behind the scenes  ???

For a guy with no talent, poor in every way shape or form, over weight, don't want to be here, don't get on with other players and not allowed around the youth players.... He ain't half done bad for himself to get the club offering him a new improved contract for the second time.

Maybe the board should let the fans run the club, would be a perfect club then im guessing seen as everyone on here knows better, have better financial and management skills and are better scouts with better judgement of young players?  :P

Seriously though, it should be the club people are not happy with... not saido. He don't want to be here, the fans don't want him here - the feeling is mutual from both parties.... its the club that are not letting him leave!
Are you sure about this, I mean absolutely sure, because a lot of people seem to think that Saido turned down moves to Stoke and Newcastle, and if that is true, your argument kind of falls down somewhat.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on October 04, 2016, 08:20:25 PM
Are you sure about this, I mean absolutely sure, because a lot of people seem to think that Saido turned down moves to Stoke and Newcastle, and if that is true, your argument kind of falls down somewhat.

Im not 100% sure NO.

But according to this forum the board have denied the move to any club, why would saido turn down a move to any club if he wants to get away as much as people on here are saying?

Only going off what the reliable ITK people are saying  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on October 04, 2016, 08:33:32 PM
Im not 100% sure NO.

But according to this forum the board have denied the move to any club, why would saido turn down a move to any club if he wants to get away as much as people on here are saying?

Only going off what the reliable ITK people are saying  :D
I honestly cannot recall any reliable ITK poster saying this, but I stand to be corrected. Many things are said on this forum, but very little is strictly factual  :D :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 04, 2016, 09:48:19 PM
I honestly cannot recall any reliable ITK poster saying this, but I stand to be corrected. Many things are said on this forum, but very little is strictly factual :D :D

You ain't kidding! ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on October 05, 2016, 08:04:08 AM
This is taken from the September meeting of the Albion Assembly & spoken by Richard Garlick & Nick Hammond.

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* What is the situation with Saido Berahino? Is his head in the right place?

NH replied that the Club had the funds to buy a new forward and would have entered negotiations to sell Saido if another like-for-like striker was added. If that was not the case in the summer window then he would stay and when the Sakho deal broke down, no other target fitted the bill.

RG said that he was aware there were frustrations the club didn't push on with the Sakho deal. But Berahino had been in superb form during pre-season and Albion would have looked "pretty silly" letting a player out one door who was "fit and raring to go" while recruiting a player "we knew wouldn't be fit for several weeks."

The Club would have liked to have brought in another forward and will if one presents itself in January - but finding the right fit was critical. In the meantime, the Club knew it had taken a financial risk on Saido and "only time will tell if it’s right."

NH agreed that Saido was in top form in pre-season, as good as ever, and knew now he had to perform this season for his own sake as much as anything. "It’s in everyone’s interests and the view at the club is he will deliver," he said.

Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/wba-albion-assembly-meeting-baggies-3304561.aspx#zEFQgod9lTrG0qpV.99
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on October 05, 2016, 08:48:24 AM
This is taken from the September meeting of the Albion Assembly & spoken by Richard Garlick & Nick Hammond.

Saido 'fit and raring to go'? Didn't Pulis recently say if he can get fit (physically and mentally) then he would welcome him back and be happy he signed a new contract.

It's this kind of inconsistency from Pulis/ the club (they appear to be on different sides) which frustrates me so much atm.

In any event, looking on the pitch, Saido is not fit and raring to go. Therefore, the decision not to replace him in the summer already looks awful.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on October 05, 2016, 09:16:57 AM
Why does everyone harp on about Berahino the idiot has done nothing but disrespect our club with his antics off the pitch and his none actions on the pitch.  The sooner he`s gone the better doesn't deserve to be here and I for one don`t want him here GET RID NOW  and stop talking about the little s!!t.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 05, 2016, 09:37:49 AM
Why does everyone harp on about Berahino the idiot has done nothing but disrespect our club with his antics off the pitch and his none actions on the pitch.  The sooner he`s gone the better doesn't deserve to be here and I for one don`t want him here GET RID NOW  and stop talking about the little s!!t.

We can't get rid now, we can only sell during a transfer window.

As we are short of strikers it would be better for all concerned if Berahino got his act together, but I seriously doubt that will happen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on October 05, 2016, 09:54:27 AM
I know we can`t get rid but if we were down to no fit strikers I would throw the young kids in rather than play a player who doesn't want to be here and I don't want him anywhere near the squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on October 05, 2016, 10:30:35 AM
I know we can`t get rid but if we were down to no fit strikers I would throw the young kids in rather than play a player who doesn't want to be here and I don't want him anywhere near the squad.

Maybe YOU need to realise what YOU, ME or ANY other fan wants.... the club are going to do what THEY think is best (im with you on thinking a new contract is ridiculous - unless he starts playing and scoring my opinion will stay the same).

But we can't criticize a person for acting/ talking like a complete tw*t and salking... if we are salking ourselves. pot kettle black.

It is what it is, ive said for a while since its all been going on that i can see him being here longer than people on here are saying and many times ive been shot down for thinking that.... well guess what, its true and happening. 

Me personally, if he don't want to be here then let him go, we never paid a transfer fee for him so we are not losing out in terms of money... we have invested money into the academy but there will be many young players who just don't make first team football, that's the way it is.  But the club see it as a £20m profit... you really think they are going to want him to leave? they will do everything they can to persuade him to stay because regardless if you or anyone else like it or not... the club have seen something in him that they believe is worth keeping and working with.

Saido is a west bromwich albion player, along with every other player at OUR club... There are an handful of players that shouldn't be here - for reasons such as they are simply not good enough/past their time now but we can't help that its either grow up, shut up and support OUR club or we can all salk like little girls whilst the outcome remains the same  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 05, 2016, 01:09:58 PM
Maybe YOU need to realise what YOU, ME or ANY other fan wants.... the club are going to do what THEY think is best (im with you on thinking a new contract is ridiculous - unless he starts playing and scoring my opinion will stay the same).

But we can't criticize a person for acting/ talking like a complete tw*t and salking... if we are salking ourselves. pot kettle black.

It is what it is, ive said for a while since its all been going on that i can see him being here longer than people on here are saying and many times ive been shot down for thinking that.... well guess what, its true and happening. 

Me personally, if he don't want to be here then let him go, we never paid a transfer fee for him so we are not losing out in terms of money... we have invested money into the academy but there will be many young players who just don't make first team football, that's the way it is.  But the club see it as a £20m profit... you really think they are going to want him to leave? they will do everything they can to persuade him to stay because regardless if you or anyone else like it or not... the club have seen something in him that they believe is worth keeping and working with.

Saido is a west bromwich albion player, along with every other player at OUR club... There are an handful of players that shouldn't be here - for reasons such as they are simply not good enough/past their time now but we can't help that its either grow up, shut up and support OUR club or we can all salk like little girls whilst the outcome remains the same 
Psst! It's sulk. Just thought you'd like to know. ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on October 05, 2016, 03:05:28 PM
hi adamw1109 I can criticize anyone about anything at anytime if anyone takes any notice its up to them, as for sulking its not my stile its not sulking when you dislike someone I`ve been supporting the Albion for a very long time and in all that time I have never known any player have so much disrespect for a club with his antics on and of the pitch, If you like him good on you but don`t try telling me who I can like or not, and as for supporting our club I do it with a passion  so I don't` need to SULK like someone on here does.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on October 05, 2016, 04:11:53 PM
hi adamw1109 I can criticize anyone about anything at anytime if anyone takes any notice its up to them, as for sulking its not my stile its not sulking when you dislike someone I`ve been supporting the Albion for a very long time and in all that time I have never known any player have so much disrespect for a club with his antics on and of the pitch, If you like him good on you but don`t try telling me who I can like or not, and as for supporting our club I do it with a passion  so I don't` need to SULK like someone on here does.

Since when did i tell you who you can like or not? - I didn't so read before you comment.

you support our club with a passion, great, me too but as for you "not needing to SULK like someone on here does" - i beg to differ reading your last two posts on this thread  :P

Once again, another example of someone throwing their toys out the pram because their post was not agreed with, oh the maturity... and our players are the immature ones?  :o

Sorry if i touched a nerve hun, don't take things too personal it could cause stress  :-*
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on October 05, 2016, 04:42:58 PM
That`s not sulking its stating an opinion as for you I won`t shut up iv`e every right to offer my opinion on this subject if you don`t like my opinion go and SULK on another board and stop bitching at me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 05, 2016, 05:00:00 PM
Since when did i tell you who you can like or not? - I didn't so read before you comment.

you support our club with a passion, great, me too but as for you "not needing to SULK like someone on here does" - i beg to differ reading your last two posts on this thread  :P

Once again, another example of someone throwing their toys out the pram because their post was not agreed with, oh the maturity... and our players are the immature ones?  :o

Sorry if i touched a nerve hun, don't take things too personal it could cause stress  :-*

And yet you are telling people that they cant criticise others for sulking if they are sulking themselves??

Well then lets get rid of all social media platforms and forums such as this because none of us according to yourself have the right to criticise or sulk if we do ourselves so whats the point in forums to express those opinions?

Then you say people throw their toys out off the pram for not agreeing with your post....then you have a go at them for expressing their opinion on your post.

Oh the irony
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on October 05, 2016, 05:21:40 PM
And yet you are telling people that they cant criticise others for sulking if they are sulking themselves??

Well then lets get rid of all social media platforms and forums such as this because none of us according to yourself have the right to criticise or sulk if we do ourselves so whats the point in forums to express those opinions?

Then you say people throw their toys out off the pram for not agreeing with your post....then you have a go at them for expressing their opinion on your post.

Oh the irony

Im not having a go at anyone, i just find it rather amusing how sensitive people on here are.... the majority are grown adults that get offended way too easily.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on October 05, 2016, 06:44:07 PM
please, please stop it all of you, it hurts me deep down to imagine you all sat at your keyboards with pent up rage, hammering at the keys.

Can we all take a moment to breath,

Now look inwards at yourselves and gently whisper together,

"it is ok to be angry, it is ok to be sad, its even ok to sulk, but, if i hurt another persons feelings it makes me a smaller man, it makes me less of a person, it makes me look foolish,

Unless of course the twonk is a Viler then its fair game my son"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 05, 2016, 06:54:20 PM
Two consecutive poor seasons will severely affect his value if he goes to an English club next summer. It also has implications for potential destinations for him too. If he had half a brain he would have knuckled right down this season and thrown himself in the shop window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 05, 2016, 07:38:17 PM
I wondered why Berahino hasn't gone all out this season to impress potential suitors?? A front 3 of Rondon, Chadli and Berahino would be a seriously dangerous front 3

He needs to put in to get out and he hasn't learnt that yet
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 18, 2016, 11:57:05 AM
Was it chicken & mushroom or steak & kidney?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 18, 2016, 12:03:54 PM
Was it chicken & mushroom or steak & kidney?
More likely Nitrous and Oxide

This guy just cant do himself any favours can he??

He is an embarrassment to this club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on October 18, 2016, 12:45:34 PM
Ask yourself this question , if he had moved to Spurs who would he have replaced in the side ?
For me nobody , not even at his best 18 months ago and i imagine he would have pulled the same stunts with a lot less slack than he gets/got with us.
Nobody to blame but himself IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on October 18, 2016, 02:52:26 PM
Overweight ............

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/854402895?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on October 19, 2016, 08:55:59 AM
There's a old saying "there's no such thing has bad press has long has they spell your wright" so let's not even write about him on here. He is a spoilt young man who prays to god (thanking him for all the money he thinks he will make out of football) for guidance.
That being the case god guide him the f---k away from us, the quicker the better.
My very last post on numb nuts till he's gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 19, 2016, 10:07:22 AM
There's a old saying "there's no such thing has bad press has long has they spell your wright" so let's not even write about him on here. He is a spoilt young man who prays to god (thanking him for all the money he thinks he will make out of football) for guidance.
That being the case god guide him the f---k away from us, the quicker the better.
My very last post on numb nuts till he's gone.


who the  **** said that? Quasimodo?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on October 19, 2016, 10:18:30 AM
Aaaaaah, 13 days without any discussion about the knobheaded one. Thought it was too good to last. So, overweight eh? Was that not the case back at the start of the summer? Personal fitness trainer at his own expense etc etc? Determined to get back to his previous sharpness etc etc? We had better not end up with this idiot signing a new fabulous contract making him the club's highest player and tying him down to us for the next 100 years etc etc. If this happens, I will be several stages up from apopleptic
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on October 19, 2016, 10:28:59 AM
This kid has had bad advice from day one, once Albion turned down transfer interest should have left his football do the talking. The club is to blame for his loss in form and fitness and it beggers belief that a top asset of wbafc has fallen so far.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 19, 2016, 10:32:22 AM
This kid has had bad advice from day one, once Albion turned down transfer interest should have left his football do the talking. The club is to blame for his loss in form and fitness and it beggers belief that a top asset of wbafc has fallen so far.


I do agree with you, its shocking management all round
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on October 19, 2016, 10:44:10 AM
This kid has had bad advice from day one, once Albion turned down transfer interest should have left his football do the talking. The club is to blame for his loss in form and fitness and it beggers belief that a top asset of wbafc has fallen so far.
The lads a bad egg , has been even at Brentford and Peterborough before he got near our first team. His talent and star has faded and that's down to him , stopped learning , developing and working. Say what you want about Pulis but he's put himself out time and time again for Saido , I think even he's had enough now.
Only so many times you can lead a horse to water , i expect him to fade away down the divisions with trouble following him.Sad really.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on October 19, 2016, 01:35:09 PM
I wonder if some of the reports are right and he might sign a new contract and be given a fresh start under new management?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 19, 2016, 02:21:34 PM
I would hope not, unless that contract is on the same £12,000 per week that he is currently on as he justifies nothing more than that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on October 19, 2016, 02:24:37 PM
Just get rid of him he's a waste of space.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on October 19, 2016, 02:40:40 PM
So apparently THE CLUB have put him on this training programme to get him to the correct weight and fit again..... obviously he is in their plans otherwise they wouldn't bother.

Will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 19, 2016, 02:51:19 PM

who the  **** said that? Quasimodo?

Thank you, that made me chuckle for a couple of minutes  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on October 19, 2016, 03:12:05 PM
Might not be in there plans they need to get him fit to get any value out of him even if he leaves for free.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on October 19, 2016, 03:17:35 PM
Might not be in there plans they need to get him fit to get any value out of him even if he leaves for free.

The only way he is going to be worth anything is if he's playing and giving people a reason to want to buy him.

Would you buy something you didn't see working?

Don't be shocked if you see him in a baggies shirt again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on October 19, 2016, 03:54:28 PM
This kid has had bad advice from day one, once Albion turned down transfer interest should have left his football do the talking. The club is to blame for his loss in form and fitness and it beggers belief that a top asset of wbafc has fallen so far.
What beggars belief in my opinion is that there are people still defending Saido. Firstly he is not a "kid" any more, so that is no longer a valid reason for anything. Secondly, what "bad advice" has he received exactly? And "from day 1"? Presumably that means he shouldn't have even signed for us in the first place? And how on earth have you reached the conclusion that the club is to blame  for his loss of form and fitness? To me, you seem to come up with a lot of opinions without any evidence to try to justify lack of professionalism, sulking, and immaturity. Are you a relative perhaps?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on October 19, 2016, 03:56:55 PM
This kid has had bad advice from day one, once Albion turned down transfer interest should have left his football do the talking. The club is to blame for his loss in form and fitness and it beggers belief that a top asset of wbafc has fallen so far.

Here's a list of his 'antics' over his career:

Age 19 - sent back from Brentford early by Uwe Rosler due to having a bad attitude.
Age 20 - supposedly gets lamped by Morrison after the Cardiff game due to his attitude and not caring about the result, which happened under Mel at the time.
Age 21 - Gets banned from driving for 12 months due to pleading guilty to drink driving. This is a very, very serious offense, which happened under Irvine at the time.
Age 22/23 - Falls out with the chairman and becomes overweight twice, the first time was last season, now it has happened again. This happened under Tony Pulis.

So that's literally one incident per year that we know about, under 4 different managers and two different clubs, as well as two different chairmen and various different coaches, technical directors etc.

How can 'the club' be blamed for his antics? It is quite clear at this stage that it is him who is the problem as all arrows point towards his behaviour. Is the club meant to wipe his backside or is he dependent for everything else?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 19, 2016, 05:00:29 PM
Also

April 2014 - Reprimanded by club for Inhaling laughing gas in his car
Aug 2016 - Allegedly sending multiple snapchat videos while in the fast lane of the M6


 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 21, 2016, 07:51:32 AM
The player has to take responsibility for his actions and he is own worse enemy currently he is wrecking a promising career before it has barely begun. 

Could the club managed the situation better? Perhaps but the only alternative to where we are now is selling him. It seems we had 3 chances to sell him.

Spurs in 2015 which by all accounts was a poor deal although with the advantage of hindsight even that is looking increasingly attractive.

Newcastle January understandable reluctance on the part of the club to sell to a potential relegation rival before we were safe and the issue of finding a replacement. Equally the player was reluctant to join the sinking ship

Stoke this summer. Replacement again an issue and the player wasn't particularly interested in the move.

All of the above are perfectly reasonable decisions however what we seem to have over looked throughout is that Saido has never been a natural fit in a Pulis team. Regardless of  the player's state of mind fitness or any of the myriad of other issues Pulis would hardly play Saido as a Centre Forward ahead of Rondon or even Lambeth and Anichebe.

For me the replacement issue has been greatly over stated aside from the Spurs bid we weren't replacing a 15 goal a season striker because we weren't playing him. Now Saido is no longer a 15 goal season striker and if we had any chance of unloading him in the summer regardless of how he looked pre season we should have taken it and took our chances with finding a replacement.

What next? I don't think it will be a good outcome for either player or club. As things currently stand I doubt he will find a home at a Premier League club next year. Even on a free there is an odor of bad egg that is starting to cling to Saido which might put off all but the least established Premier League teams, a Championship team will obviously take a punt on him as will a club from the continent. None of which is great news for the club which is now watching the tribunal fee diminishing almost on a weekly basis. 

It is all a bit of a mess and saddening that the player has wasted his talent and the club failed to extract themselves from the situation before it came to this.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 21, 2016, 01:43:07 PM
I can't believe we are where we are now with this pillock:

217 pages??  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 21, 2016, 04:12:22 PM
Every mention of his name remains a dagger to the heart.

£20m plus. How did we turn that down  :-X I still can't believe it months later. Imbeciles.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on October 21, 2016, 08:08:23 PM
We are not going to get anything for him now. Who would buy him? He has totally wasted his career and will end up early on the scrapheap whoever told him to go about how he has conducted himself, agent or whatever needs sacking. Berahino has breached his contract as he is not in a fit condition to play premier league football so he should be sacked as well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie82 on October 21, 2016, 09:56:03 PM
The press release from the club re Berahino on a weight loss program is PR against the player. It's a convenient excuse to keep him out of the squad. Pulis does not want him and would have sold him but for Peace blocking the move for the past two years. Rondon is his main striker, and that's that. It was well reported he busted a gut over pre season to get himself sharp and in shape and he's hardly kicked a ball in anger. Fact is he hasn't played upfront regularly under Pulis since Rondon was signed last summer.

On a similar footing Morisson is now been thrown under a bus.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on October 21, 2016, 10:07:23 PM
The press release from the club re Berahino on a weight loss program is PR against the player. It's a convenient excuse to keep him out of the squad. Pulis does not want him and would have sold him but for Peace blocking the move for the past two years. Rondon is his main striker, and that's that. It was well reported he busted a gut over pre season to get himself sharp and in shape and he's hardly kicked a ball in anger. Fact is he hasn't played upfront regularly under Pulis since Rondon was signed last summer.

On a similar footing Morisson is now been thrown under a bus.

So how was it when Berahino looked grossly overweight previously. He is a disgrace to be called a professional footballer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on October 21, 2016, 10:59:41 PM
The press release from the club re Berahino on a weight loss program is PR against the player. It's a convenient excuse to keep him out of the squad. Pulis does not want him and would have sold him but for Peace blocking the move for the past two years. Rondon is his main striker, and that's that. It was well reported he busted a gut over pre season to get himself sharp and in shape and he's hardly kicked a ball in anger. Fact is he hasn't played upfront regularly under Pulis since Rondon was signed last summer.

On a similar footing Morisson is now been thrown under a bus.

Agreed, no player gets that much attention from any head coach. There's something seriously amis at the football club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie82 on October 21, 2016, 11:02:03 PM
A lot of niave responses on here. You buying the TP spin hook line and sinker. Berahino came back this summer firing on all cylinders, as Darren Fletcher acknowledged. He has been applying himself in training and worked hard over pre-season to get into very good shape. Fact is TP doesn't want to pick him and the weight loss program is a convenient excuse to divert attention away from that. How often does the club / manager tell the press about players training regimes? This is a transparent exercise to cover his own back. He's canny with the media.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on October 21, 2016, 11:11:18 PM
A lot of niave responses on here. You buying the TP spin hook line and sinker. Berahino came back this summer firing on all cylinders, as Darren Fletcher acknowledged. He has been applying himself in training and worked hard over pre-season to get into very good shape. Fact is TP doesn't want to pick him and the weight loss program is a convenient excuse to divert attention away from that. How often does the club / manager tell the press about players training regimes? This is a transparent exercise to cover his own back. He's canny with the media.
are you saying he's not overweight?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on October 21, 2016, 11:13:02 PM
Reports are claimed that Saido has a very slow metabolism and not getting game time is a result in putting weight on..... and people will then say 'well he should train more', but then there is a thing called 'over training, tiredness, fatigued'.

The facts are, he's overweight due to whatever the reason may be, pulis has obviously got Saidos back and it's already been put out there that the club are trying to keep Saido on board under new owners.

The only people making BS excuses for what's going on are the people on here because they don't want to believe that Pulis wants him at the club and they are doing ther all to help him.

Wake up and smell the coffee, not everyone can score in the premier league... he's proved he can. Not everyone of our players have been valued at such a crazy price at a young age.... he has been.

He may be VERY far from being first name on the team sheet but like it or not he has potential... and it looks like Pulis and the rest of the club will do anything to either keep him here or sell him on for a big fee (which we have NO proof that we have received such suitable offer).

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 21, 2016, 11:13:36 PM
A lot of niave responses on here. You buying the TP spin hook line and sinker. Berahino came back this summer firing on all cylinders, as Darren Fletcher acknowledged. He has been applying himself in training and worked hard over pre-season to get into very good shape. Fact is TP doesn't want to pick him and the weight loss program is a convenient excuse to divert attention away from that. How often does the club / manager tell the press about players training regimes? This is a transparent exercise to cover his own back. He's canny with the media.

His weight issues are there for all to see, many respected posters on here had commented on it.

I don't believe a word SB tweets, its all disingenuous and for effect.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 22, 2016, 02:13:43 AM
Reports are claimed that Saido has a very slow metabolism and not getting game time is a result in putting weight on..... and people will then say 'well he should train more', but then there is a thing called 'over training, tiredness, fatigued'.

The facts are, he's overweight due to whatever the reason may be, pulis has obviously got Saidos back and it's already been put out there that the club are trying to keep Saido on board under new owners.

The only people making BS excuses for what's going on are the people on here because they don't want to believe that Pulis wants him at the club and they are doing ther all to help him.

Wake up and smell the coffee, not everyone can score in the premier league... he's proved he can. Not everyone of our players have been valued at such a crazy price at a young age.... he has been.

He may be VERY far from being first name on the team sheet but like it or not he has potential... and it looks like Pulis and the rest of the club will do anything to either keep him here or sell him on for a big fee (which we have NO proof that we have received such suitable offer).

So what are the facts you are telling us??

He is overweight for some reason is not stating a fact..it's not knowing anything

The only facts we need concern ourselves with are those that are apparent from reports on him that have been published and confirmed, what he says on twitter, his current fitness state and his overall attitude which has followed him around for a few years now and has caused him to fall out with clubs on loan to and be returned, illegal activities dragging the club through the mud, and the fact he hasn't scored a goal since February for the first team

All of these point to a person who really isn't worth the hassle and won't have the career he thinks he should have

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on October 22, 2016, 03:16:54 AM
So what are the facts you are telling us??

He is overweight for some reason is not stating a fact..it's not knowing anything

The only facts we need concern ourselves with are those that are apparent from reports on him that have been published and confirmed, what he says on twitter, his current fitness state and his overall attitude which has followed him around for a few years now and has caused him to fall out with clubs on loan to and be returned, illegal activities dragging the club through the mud, and the fact he hasn't scored a goal since February for the first team

All of these point to a person who really isn't worth the hassle and won't have the career he thinks he should have

I don't believe any player is worth the hassle not just Saido.. that don't change ANYTHING though... we can all have our own opinions and theories to why this and that's happening but the only thing that we do know is SB is a west bromwich albion player, pulis obviously likes him or he wouldn't make so much effort with him and the board have made it clear they want him to stay at the club.

I don't see why everyone is so certain he is going for free and whatever else....

1) he ain't got many options with the form he is in, we are his best option ATM (in terms of the level of football he would be playing at).
2) the club would not go to such an extent to try and get a player fit that they don't want in the team as much as everyone don't like it.

We all keep banging on about attitude and what he's done off the pitch.... WEST BROMWICH ALBION have still stood by him through it all even though we had an offer of  £20m for him (apparently).... so what makes anyone think they are going to give up on him now when they know the potential price of what he could be worth?

They are going to move mountains to atleast get him to sign a new improved contract even if it's just from a business point of view.

Couldn't really give a toss what happens I don't pay the wages and it don't effect my personal life but I have a strong feeling we have not saw the last of him yet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 22, 2016, 08:39:51 AM
The whole thing is totally bizarre.

Pulis is never going to play him as Centre Forward, it won't work as a tactic if you are a team who is largely going to attack through crosses into the box Saido is absolutely not the Centre Forward you need. He won't play him as a wide attacker in a 4-3-3 (note not a winger in the traditional sense). When he has played as number 10 it hasn't worked particularly well and besides which Chadli is very obviously the 1st choice there. Although playing in front of Chadli might give Berahino the sort of service he could thrive on (not going to happen now)

Yet, given all the above Pulis still talks as if Berahino is an integral part of his plans when plainly he hasn't been other than out of necessity. Now we have the latest not fit / overweight statement which is reportedly disputed by the player   (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3860512/West-Brom-forward-Saido-Berahino-left-bewildered-manager-Tony-Pulis-claims-overweight.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490).

 Or even more strange that the club is trying to get him to sign a new contract. Why would we other than to protect our position in the inevitable transfer tribunal? Knowing that he won't sign but the fact that we were prepared to offer him the contract shows he was part of future plans even though he isn't playing regularly. Although what the happens if he calls our bluff and signs?

Okay I find it easy to believe the worst of Saido as has often been said he has previous but the Head Coach and Club aren't on the same page here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on October 22, 2016, 10:50:24 AM
Whilst he may have a slow metabolism, didn't Steve Clarkes lad tweet something when his dad lost his job along the lines of "if you stayed out of Nandos then you might have been able to do something about the situation". This was in response to Saido ranting about Clarke losing his job.

This is clearly not the first time and it shows a complete lack of self discipline (see every other incident he's been involved in).

I guess short of having a dietician spend 24/7 with him this isn't going to solve itself any time soon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mo on October 22, 2016, 01:29:36 PM
The whole thing is totally bizarre.

Pulis is never going to play him as Centre Forward, it won't work as a tactic if you are a team who is largely going to attack through crosses into the box Saido is absolutely not the Centre Forward you need. He won't play him as a wide attacker in a 4-3-3 (note not a winger in the traditional sense). When he has played as number 10 it hasn't worked particularly well and besides which Chadli is very obviously the 1st choice there. Although playing in front of Chadli might give Berahino the sort of service he could thrive on (not going to happen now)

Yet, given all the above Pulis still talks as if Berahino is an integral part of his plans when plainly he hasn't been other than out of necessity. Now we have the latest not fit / overweight statement which is reportedly disputed by the player   (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3860512/West-Brom-forward-Saido-Berahino-left-bewildered-manager-Tony-Pulis-claims-overweight.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490).

 Or even more strange that the club is trying to get him to sign a new contract. Why would we other than to protect our position in the inevitable transfer tribunal? Knowing that he won't sign but the fact that we were prepared to offer him the contract shows he was part of future plans even though he isn't playing regularly. Although what the happens if he calls our bluff and signs?

Okay I find it easy to believe the worst of Saido as has often been said he has previous but the Head Coach and Club aren't on the same page here.

I think the are people at the club who believe that if persevered with they can turn Saido round . Whilst it's obvious there are problems with the individual I do think part of the problem is that he hasn't got the build of a fuller or sidibe that is what pulis likes so Saido has no chance here .

Im waiting to see what happens with Leko because on what I've seen this season he seems to have lost confidence .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on October 22, 2016, 02:34:32 PM
A lot of niave responses on here. You buying the TP spin hook line and sinker. Berahino came back this summer firing on all cylinders, as Darren Fletcher acknowledged. He has been applying himself in training and worked hard over pre-season to get into very good shape. Fact is TP doesn't want to pick him and the weight loss program is a convenient excuse to divert attention away from that. How often does the club / manager tell the press about players training regimes? This is a transparent exercise to cover his own back. He's canny with the media.
I completely disagree - the media constantly ask about Berahino more than anything else in the conferences, if he was that canny he'd have them ignoring Berahino completely, but the media want a good story.

You've said 'fact is' but it's not a fact. It is a fact that last season he got over-weight for no apparent reason halfway during the campaign and it was visible for all to see. 'Metabolism' or not, he's a professional athlete who should be able to stay in shape.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 22, 2016, 03:02:50 PM
Maybe its not just his attitude thats not cut out for being an athlete and a highly paid one perhaps its his body aswell..

I cannot wait until this guy is some other clubs problem
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 01, 2016, 09:28:11 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/11/01/contract-snub-saido-berahino-rejects-weight-claim/

New month, new story.

The sooner this comes to an end the better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2016, 09:44:37 AM
this is just a joke
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 01, 2016, 10:04:23 AM
We had plenty of opportunities to end it. So sick of the Albion right now in most aspects.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 01, 2016, 10:25:15 AM
We had plenty of opportunities to end it. So sick of the Albion right now in most aspects.


Dam right could not agree more, contracts to footballers and coaches that should not have been awarded
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on November 01, 2016, 10:29:11 AM
I saw him on the car park at the Spurs game and he looked as fit as a butchers dog to me.......

So did his three female 'friends' :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 01, 2016, 10:34:02 AM
I think he taking the pi$$ even more so now because he knows he can.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 01, 2016, 10:54:01 AM
I just cant get my head round why we would integrate him back into the team.

Its obvious he doesnt want to be here, its obvious he doesnt really care less, its obvious hes not going to give any effort if chosen, why do we continue to waste our time with him, let him rot until his contract ends.

Had enough of the whole saga, the club are as much to blame for this whole fiasco as Saido is.

Pathetic handling of the whole situation, and yet another reason why a selection of fans just cant be arsed anymore.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on November 01, 2016, 11:35:11 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/11/01/contract-snub-saido-berahino-rejects-weight-claim/

New month, new story.

The sooner this comes to an end the better.

The lengths the club are going to to get him upto scratch with the rest of the squad, the things they are doing to keeping him involved, you think they would be doing all that if they didn't believe they could keep him here longer?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 01, 2016, 11:43:20 AM
The lengths the club are going to to get him upto scratch with the rest of the squad, the things they are doing to keeping him involved, you think they would be doing all that if they didn't believe they could keep him here longer?

No i think they just want to be looking to be doing the right thing so that when the tribunal happens we have a better case for more money
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on November 01, 2016, 11:48:26 AM
No i think they just want to be looking to be doing the right thing so that when the tribunal happens we have a better case for more money

IF the tribunal happens.

The majority didn't expect to see pulis get an extension - this club's full of surprises.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on November 01, 2016, 11:56:17 AM
The quicker this trouble making idiot is gone the better should have got rid as soon as he started throwing his dummy out the pram.GET RID NOW
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 01, 2016, 12:03:52 PM
I don't know why we are even bothering with him, he should be training on his own away from everyone else as its clear to me he'll see his contract out and go on a free next summer. I'm also certain he'll go abroad and do us out of any compensation before being sold back to someone over here for a low fee and the club only have themselves to blame for not cashing in when we had the opportunity.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 01, 2016, 12:13:12 PM
Can he be sold to walk away to , lets say Udinese and then get loaned back to Udinese's sister club Watford?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on November 01, 2016, 12:17:45 PM
Can he be sold to walk away to , lets say Udinese and then get loaned back to Udinese's sister club Watford?
yes he can, there was also a rumour that a club in the US that stoke are linked with would sign him and sell him to them for nowt
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on November 01, 2016, 12:23:32 PM
Does not need to walk i`ll drive him we should`nt be wasting any more time on or money on him after bringing him through the youth teams and giving him his premier bow he treats us like pooh .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 01, 2016, 12:57:25 PM
Look at his body a couple of years ago and compare it now , muscle or fat he is far too heavy.
Wouldn't even bother with him in all honesty.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on November 01, 2016, 01:08:39 PM
Look at his body a couple of years ago and compare it now , muscle or fat he is far too heavy.
Wouldn't even bother with him in all honesty.

Is that a serious comment? obviously he's going to be bigger/heavier than he was when he first broke into the team a few years ago - its how the human body works it grows.

What is the size and weight limit for a footballer just out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 01, 2016, 01:18:16 PM
What is the size and weight limit for a footballer just out of curiosity?

Someone from the club leaked to the press that he was 8lb overweight, I still can't work out what anyone had to achieve by doing so but it tells you he's over the optimum weight that the medical staff set for him that will be different for others based on a number of factors.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on November 01, 2016, 02:02:06 PM
I really do hope he goes abroad for nowt. It will serve us right for being greedy. Worst decision the club have made in not getting rid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 01, 2016, 10:01:18 PM
Is that a serious comment? obviously he's going to be bigger/heavier than he was when he first broke into the team a few years ago - its how the human body works it grows.

What is the size and weight limit for a footballer just out of curiosity?
Yes it was serious ,  I suggest you go and look at some pictures....we are talking 3 ish years and he has changed far more than natural growth. Footballers have to keep in shape , to be 8lbs over be it muscle or fat is plain not looking after yourself. We all know how hard Pulis makes them train so whats Saido doing to stack that much on ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 01, 2016, 10:07:21 PM
Was it cash or loaded with clauses? I had heard that Berahino refused to go to Stoke, but don't know how true that is.

Personally i don't believe that a player at his stage of development (lets not forget, he's 23 rather than 18) can willfully throw away 18 months of his career like he has and simply switch it back on after gaining a move to a new club.

My belief is that he will struggle badly, he's a mess physically too - at his age his body should be fairly constant but the fluctuations in his weight is very alarming.

(http://i2.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article8602464.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Tony-Pulis-sends-Saido-Berahino-on-as-an-early-substitute-for-West-Bromwich-Albion-at-Burnley.png)

(http://i3.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article10812243.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/JS81495332.jpg)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 01, 2016, 10:08:39 PM
Have a look at the above pictures Adam , tell me that's natural.
The bottom picture I believe was Jan 16 against Peterborough at home , we are now in November and he stills looks overweight to me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 01, 2016, 10:43:57 PM
Size of that backside. Christ
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on November 02, 2016, 09:32:57 AM
You can`t go by them pictures there both old Sess is still in that picture plus last years kit so there 6 months out of date mind you fat or not i want him gone
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on November 02, 2016, 09:40:45 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cq71zZSXYAAIfoo.jpg:large)

Take a look at that picture Dexy, regardless of when it was taken.. its ALOT more recent than your pictures - he obviously is not the size he was in the picture you posted.

Putting on 8lb of fat your right its not looking after yourself, but you don't put on 8lb of muscle by 'not looking after yourself'. - I'm classed as overweight when i have medicals and im told it's just because i go to the gym regular yet i know people with more fat than muscle that are fine because they are of a smaller build.

Like i said before, whatever he does now he's just going to get stick for it - papers put up a useless story with no evidence or proof and its all over the shop.

Saido puts pictures himself up doing extra training, spending time with other players and out doing things with the community going to soccer schools etc etc... no one mentions it.

Only himself to blame in the first place, but i just can't see the club going through so much to keep him even now if they didn't believe there was a chance of him staying here.

For anyone to say this or that's going to happen, hes going here or there, i heard this and that rumor.... its all cobblers, none of us know anything about it but we all know the club are full of surprises (just take a look at the pulis extension situation).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 02, 2016, 09:44:51 AM
Regardless of what he is like now, to even reach the levels he reached in the earlier photo shows how unprofessional the lad is.

All that potential and he is wetting it up the wall. I couldn't live with myself were I him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on November 02, 2016, 10:08:00 AM
That's exactly what he looked like when I saw him on the car park a couple of weeks ago, apart from the fact that he didn't have the kit on, or a ball at his feet, or was running........

Seriously, I had a good look at him and he looked very fit to me. The photo of him opposite Lambert could be misleading. It may be that it has been taken when he was changing stance, or in motion. I am not making excuses and I remember him playing at the end of last season and thinking that he was carrying a few pounds, but from someone who has actually seen him over the past couple of weeks, he is [in my humble opinion] not overweight and in damn good shape.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on November 02, 2016, 10:18:37 AM
I don`t believe any of the rubbish about Berahino being overweight its just a ploy by the club to keep him out of the picture January is getting ever closer i still believe he will be sold then for whatever price we can get for him. All this rubbish about going abroad won`t  happen as he will want to prove himself against us as soon as possible to try to prove a point.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 02, 2016, 10:29:50 AM
Even if that's 8lb of muscle he's put on in his own time that's stupidity , he's not blessed with great pace so can't be be carrying anything not needed. Two good examples , Kevin Phillips kept himself around about the same size because he also didnt have great pace . On the other hand Vic Anichebe was lean in his first few seasons at Everton , he hit the weights ( which Saido may have done ) and became heavier losing that intial zip of pace and imo lead to a lot of his injuries.
So if we go by the latest picture  in the Summer ( saying its not airbrushed ) and as far as I know Saido hasn't been injured theres no way he should be that over weight muscle or fat lately.
Let's face it going up and down in weight like he does is worrying for a 23 year old , also he is a Pulis favourite so to be binned from his squad something is really wrong.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 02, 2016, 10:57:58 AM
Regardless of what he is like now, to even reach the levels he reached in the earlier photo shows how unprofessional the lad is.

All that potential and he is wetting it up the wall. I couldn't live with myself were I him.
That's the way I look at it too , I couldn't have been prouder to finally see one of our own kids make it .Not blowing my own trumpet but I called him making it with us pretty much first on here , I saw him on loan at Peterborough and could see he had something else even though he played wide left for them.
The clubs not innocent but the lad seems to have bricks in his head , for all his promise i dont think his awareness , passing or heading has really improved....i certainly wouldnt pay 20 mill .
Shame , I know it was a poor performance by the team but I thought Saido was poor at Bournemouth and looked nothing like a Premier forward.
Personally can't wait for this to be over , even Robson KANU is ahead of him !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on November 02, 2016, 01:36:15 PM
That's exactly what he looked like when I saw him on the car park a couple of weeks ago, apart from the fact that he didn't have the kit on, or a ball at his feet, or was running........

Seriously, I had a good look at him and he looked very fit to me. The photo of him opposite Lambert could be misleading. It may be that it has been taken when he was changing stance, or in motion. I am not making excuses and I remember him playing at the end of last season and thinking that he was carrying a few pounds, but from someone who has actually seen him over the past couple of weeks, he is [in my humble opinion] not overweight and in damn good shape.   

If anything he should have looked slimmer when standing opposite Lambert.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on November 02, 2016, 06:00:34 PM
He doesn't need to be muscular. If anything with his build it would hold him back as it would affect his pace. He had the perfect physique and it has quite clearly declined. That picture with Lambert is shocking.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: matt_wba912 on November 03, 2016, 06:44:00 PM
He doesn't need to be muscular. If anything with his build it would hold him back as it would affect his pace. He had the perfect physique and it has quite clearly declined. That picture with Lambert is shocking.

You don't know what feedback he's been getting from the coaches.  For all we know he could of been told he needs to be more physical, be stronger on the ball and not get muscled out of it by bigger, stronger defenders.  Let's face it a big one up top target man is what this team is built around not a pact Defoe type finishes who likes to reciebe through balls running off the shoulder of the last defender.  Unfortunately Saido is the former and won't ever be the later.

He may then have taken that feedback too far and hit the weights to a detrimental amount but that's a sign of misguided enthusiasm and poor management rather than a lack of professionalism or desire.

It may be that he was putting on fat and that my statement above is completely wrong but when I saw those photos it looked to me like someone whose been doing too many weights rather than someone who has let his diet go.

Either way I don't see a future for him here and it's better for everyone if he moves on, too much history now.  We just need to hope we can try and get something for him either in Jan or through tribunal
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on November 03, 2016, 11:07:26 PM
It's all irrelevant. There's been far better players than him fail because of their attitude.

I hear Stefan Moore is a taxi driver now.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on November 04, 2016, 02:19:50 AM
It's all irrelevant. There's been far better players than him fail because of their attitude.

I hear Stefan Moore is a taxi driver now.

Without meaning to be picky, he actually owns the taxi company.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29525971 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29525971)

He also signed for Solihull Moors in July.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36836209 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36836209)

Get your drift though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on November 04, 2016, 09:57:44 AM
Without meaning to be picky, he actually owns the taxi company.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29525971 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29525971)

He also signed for Solihull Moors in July.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36836209 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36836209)

Get your drift though.

Jesus Christ mate, he's gone from potentially being on 100,000 plus a week, with ease to owning a taxi rank and play for a tinpot conference team.

He's the definition of bad attitude and failure.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on November 04, 2016, 01:09:36 PM
To save me time while I'm at work does anybody know how many prem goals Beeahino has scored from open play?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 04, 2016, 01:29:14 PM
from what I can see (league only)
13/14 -  4
14/15 -  9
15/16 -  3
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on November 04, 2016, 03:22:33 PM
His goal record anyway ain't the best. less than 1 in 4
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on November 04, 2016, 04:00:54 PM
Off to France for an intensive training camp....don't we have any facilities in this country ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 04, 2016, 04:16:22 PM
Off to France for an intensive training camp....don't we have any facilities in this country ?

Super, pay for the fat little pooh to have a nice holiday in the sun.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 04, 2016, 04:40:07 PM
Bizarre , surely nothing that couldn't have been done here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2016, 05:06:57 PM
Removes him from his peer group to sort himself out, also gives the club a basis for breach of contract if they get him where they want him, then bring him home and he stops looking after himself (the way the club wants) again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 04, 2016, 05:38:43 PM
Sent to fat camp, what a disgrace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 04, 2016, 05:42:44 PM
Bizarre , surely nothing that couldn't have been done here.
I remember it being mentioned that Anichebe paid for himself to go off somewhere for a mini pre season....think Lescott has something similar....hmm maybe not the two best adverts there.
Part of the gig will no doubt be a tailored diet plan away from temptations...change of scenery doesn't do anyone harm.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on November 04, 2016, 05:51:44 PM
I remember it being mentioned that Anichebe paid for himself to go off somewhere for a mini pre season....think Lescott has something similar....hmm maybe not the two best adverts there.
Part of the gig will no doubt be a tailored diet plan away from temptations...change of scenery doesn't do anyone harm.

They went to the US didn't they? Lescott certainly did. Sending him to an isolated place to get beasted might be what he needs, then again.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 04, 2016, 06:01:58 PM
They went to the US didn't they? Lescott certainly did. Sending him to an isolated place to get beasted might be what he needs, then again.......

Or we finally cut our losses and leave him training and playing with the kids for the remainder of the season before he leaves us. I really am past the point of caring enough about the tribunal fee to worry about mitigating the position to our own advantage. Selling him with the numerous opportunities we had would been acting to our own advantage.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 04, 2016, 08:25:31 PM
Or we finally cut our losses and leave him training and playing with the kids for the remainder of the season before he leaves us. I really am past the point of caring enough about the tribunal fee to worry about mitigating the position to our own advantage. Selling him with the numerous opportunities we had would been acting to our own advantage.
Next week is the last international break until March...quite a few games coming up before Jan. If Rondon gets injured/suspended then a fit Berahino has the chance to showcase the rusty talents before the window opens and maybe benefit us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 04, 2016, 08:46:55 PM
Next week is the last international break until March...quite a few games coming up before Jan. If Rondon gets injured/suspended then a fit Berahino has the chance to showcase the rusty talents before the window opens and maybe benefit us.

Not a chance.
He's had it.
There's posters on here been saying exactly the same as you for the last 18 months.
He's finished here he know it and so does anybody with a modicum of gumption.
We should just put him in a corner and leave him.
You can only help someone that wants to be helped.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on November 04, 2016, 08:55:11 PM
Or we finally cut our losses and leave him training and playing with the kids for the remainder of the season before he leaves us. I really am past the point of caring enough about the tribunal fee to worry about mitigating the position to our own advantage. Selling him with the numerous opportunities we had would been acting to our own advantage.
I wouldn't want him anywhere near the kids with his attitude, besides they don't deserve to have him sulking around them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ian66 on November 05, 2016, 12:35:23 PM
Next week is the last international break until March...quite a few games coming up before Jan. If Rondon gets injured/suspended then a fit Berahino has the chance to showcase the rusty talents before the window opens and maybe benefit us.
None of our strikers get to showcase their talents, rusty or not with the negative tactics deployed week in week out. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 05, 2016, 01:55:23 PM
Its laughable we have to send him to france, dont we have qualified folk over here, maybe hes joined the foreign legion
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 05, 2016, 02:01:02 PM
Can't quite work out the trip to France to be honest, only thing I can think of is it gives him a few days away from outside influences but even then those will still be here when he returns. With that said I still don't understand what anyone had to gain by leaking to the press that he was 8lbs overweight to begin with, feels like someone has hung him out to dry publicly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adamstv on November 05, 2016, 06:51:34 PM
Can't quite work out the trip to France to be honest, only thing I can think of is it gives him a few days away from outside influences but even then those will still be here when he returns. With that said I still don't understand what anyone had to gain by leaking to the press that he was 8lbs overweight to begin with, feels like someone has hung him out to dry publicly.

Perhaps he's organising his new contract with his foreign club ready for next season . Or maybe gone on a booze cruise ferry â›´ run stocking up for Christmas 🎄
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on November 05, 2016, 06:55:02 PM
Can't quite work out the trip to France to be honest, only thing I can think of is it gives him a few days away from outside influences but even then those will still be here when he returns. With that said I still don't understand what anyone had to gain by leaking to the press that he was 8lbs overweight to begin with, feels like someone has hung him out to dry publicly.
seeing how we've handled the saido situation I wouldn't bet against these bad influences are there with him. :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on November 06, 2016, 10:48:07 AM
Saido has posted some pictures on his Instagram of him at "fat camp" including a topless one with the caption "fat boy." He is definitely in very good shape however I wish he'd refrain from referring to it on his profiles and just leave the talking on the pitch. He needs to just shut up, earn a place in the 18 and start scoring again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 06, 2016, 12:16:36 PM
Never known so much bloody fuss about a player who failed to deliver.

Mollycoddled, pampered, washout. Don't waste any more money on him. Put him out to pasture and get rid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ian66 on November 06, 2016, 12:28:48 PM
Saido has posted some pictures on his Instagram of him at "fat camp" including a topless one with the caption "fat boy." He is definitely in very good shape however I wish he'd refrain from referring to it on his profiles and just leave the talking on the pitch. He needs to just shut up, earn a place in the 18 and start scoring again.
I've said it before, he will never score goals regularly again playing under our current Head Coach, even if he gets himself fit again.

With all the promise and so called potential Salomon came with, we will never truly see it while TP is here, that's why the jury is still out on him for a lot of fans, me included.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on November 06, 2016, 12:37:42 PM
I've said it before, he will never score goals regularly again playing under our current Head Coach, even if he gets himself fit again.

With all the promise and so called potential Salomon came with, we will never truly see it while TP is here, that's why the jury is still out on him for a lot of fans, me included.

Spot on. I've said it before on here, Berahino would score for fun in the prem with an attack-minded team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on November 06, 2016, 01:04:55 PM
I've said it before, he will never score goals regularly again playing under our current Head Coach, even if he gets himself fit again.

With all the promise and so called potential Salomon came with, we will never truly see it while TP is here, that's why the jury is still out on him for a lot of fans, me included.

I agree with that too. Pulis' style and where he chooses to play him has contributed to his downfall. He needs to play off the shoulder of the last man. He should be in direct competition with Rondon for the striker role rather than playing in the number 10 role.

Pulis has wasted him while he has also wasted himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 06, 2016, 01:43:51 PM
Spot on. I've said it before on here, Berahino would score for fun in the prem with an attack-minded team.

I guess you are right. I would now take an attack minded team that still risked relegation as long as it didn't bore me $#1tless like West Pulis Albion does. Wrong thread maybe for that comment but to some extent the two are linked.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 06, 2016, 02:24:49 PM
Spot on. I've said it before on here, Berahino would score for fun in the prem with an attack-minded team.
Not sure he would , not for fun anyway.
For all his potential he hasn't developed in two years now. , his awareness, movement , passing and heading are no better than when he first broke through.
Compare the improvement levels between Saido and Harry Kane who both broke through about the same time and for my money Saido was slightly ahead.
I personally thought playing a little deeper would bring Saido on as a player and develop some of the above issues , indeed for the TP's first half season he was still playing well and scoring  postioned behind Ideye and occasionally Big Vic until Spurs gate........
At the minute his career is falling away and I'm afraid thats 99% down to him , he isn't a kid anymore and I see he's had another social media episode today.
Bloke never learns , can't wait for the saga to end.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 06, 2016, 03:35:27 PM
For all his potential he hasn't developed in two years now. , his awareness, movement , passing and heading are no better than when he first broke through.
How many of our first team players can we say have improved in two years?

How long has Pulis been first team coach for?  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on November 06, 2016, 03:50:16 PM
How many of our first team players can we say have improved in two years?

How long has Pulis been first team coach for?  ;D

Dawson maybe. The rest have regressed IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 06, 2016, 04:03:54 PM
How many of our first team players can we say have improved in two years?

How long has Pulis been first team coach for?  ;D
Dawson , McClean for two but none have the potential of Berahino at the point Spurs came sniffing.
I blame Pulis for a few things but not the decline of Saido , self inflicted imo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on November 15, 2016, 05:40:30 PM
The Berahino nonsense has started again stating Liverpool looking at him as a replacement for Sturridge these Papers make you laugh there`s` more chance of me going to Liverpool than him and i`m 63 with a gammy leg Should have kicked him out 18 months ago.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 15, 2016, 07:47:31 PM
The Berahino nonsense has started again stating Liverpool looking at him as a replacement for Sturridge these Papers make you laugh there`s` more chance of me going to Liverpool than him and i`m 63 with a gammy leg Should have kicked him out 18 months ago.
Entering into a bidding war for him?
Can only be good for us.
The more interest the better our chances of getting something for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 15, 2016, 08:54:03 PM
Berahino runs around less than Studge total non starter while Klopp has a hole in his backside.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 15, 2016, 09:17:28 PM
Lordy is that nob still here?

Thought he'd been quiet for too long, looks like his agent has been busy again
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 15, 2016, 10:06:27 PM
How many of our first team players can we say have improved in two years?

How long has Pulis been first team coach for?  ;D

McClean, Rondon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 18, 2016, 06:33:52 AM
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/11/17/Darren Moore-tony-pulis-claims-this-forgotten-star-has-come-back-brighter/

Same chyte. Different smell
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on November 18, 2016, 10:03:56 AM
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/11/17/Darren Moore-tony-pulis-claims-this-forgotten-star-has-come-back-brighter/

Same chyte. Different smell
Same chyte, same smell, as far as I can see
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 18, 2016, 11:06:20 AM
Come back brighter. Unsurprising really, knows he has a big money move coming up in anoter 6/7 months, who wouldn't be bright?  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 20, 2016, 05:31:08 PM
http://mobile.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/west-brom-wba-official-club-statement-on-saido-berahino-3426767.aspx

Saido has released a statement.

Got a feeling he's going to be signing a new contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on November 20, 2016, 05:32:42 PM
http://mobile.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/west-brom-wba-official-club-statement-on-saido-berahino-3426767.aspx

Saido has released a statement.

Got a feeling he's going to be signing a new contract.

Certainly seems that way. Would seem contradictory to "do everything possible to repay the club and fans", yet move on shortly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 20, 2016, 05:35:40 PM
 ::)

Too little too late.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on November 20, 2016, 05:49:06 PM
Quite what has gone on behind the scenes in the last 18 months and what impact it has had on his physical and more critically his mental well being I don't know, but right now he isn't worth a new contract. To be sent to a training camp indefinitely mid season is an extreme measure.

I hope he recovers his form but I fear that he will be a lost talent not just for us but to football which is a great pity
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 20, 2016, 05:54:51 PM
Quite what has gone on behind the scenes in the last 18 months and what impact it has had on his physical and more critically his mental well being I don't know, but right now he isn't worth a new contract. To be sent to a training camp indefinitely mid season is an extreme measure.

I hope he recovers his form but I fear that he will be a lost talent not just for us but to football which is a great pity

I agree, but I can't see for the life of me why the club would be willing to send him away to France for pretty much 2 months, invest more time and effort in getting him fit if they didn't believe he would be sticking around.

If the signs were that he's moving on regardless we would have no doubt just let him play in the under 23s until his contract finished.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on November 20, 2016, 06:04:06 PM
I think two possible scenarios -

1) The club just want him away from the other players due to the unwanted attention he brings.

2) He has already signed a new contract (probably with a release clause) and the club and him have agreed to work together, whatever it takes to get him back on the pitch.

Once he is actually playing again they may announce it not long after, if it is option2 i cant see the Albion doing all this and spending the money with a view he just clears off January or plays up and i would imagine announcing he has signed  a new deal, on better money when he getting in france wont go down well either.

If it is option 2 and he is staying i bet they announce it xmas / new year when you would think if he is staying he will be around the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on November 20, 2016, 06:12:35 PM
18 months two late want him out our club gone for good Sorry but i cannot forgive.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 20, 2016, 06:45:15 PM
Not sure what to make of the statement to be completely honest. It suggest to me that there has been more go on with him that hasn't been made public knowledge, maybe psychologically he's struggled much more than we know. I suspect it's all a little too late to salvage anything of his career here now even though we are going to the trouble of sending him back to France.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 20, 2016, 07:12:05 PM
Lost two years of development he won't get back , maybe the pennies dropped regarding hangers on etc but I wont hold my breath.
Not a loss to use in all honesty.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 20, 2016, 07:33:36 PM
Remain past the point of caring. So long as he goes by the summer at the latest I will happy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on November 20, 2016, 07:34:43 PM
Not only will we not get anything for him in Jan at this rate, he won't get a contract anywhere decent next summer either.  What a waste.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on November 20, 2016, 07:35:19 PM
Not sure what to make of the statement to be completely honest. It suggest to me that there has been more go on with him that hasn't been made public knowledge, maybe psychologically he's struggled much more than we know. I suspect it's all a little too late to salvage anything of his career here now even though we are going to the trouble of sending him back to France.

In all serious he may well have had a breakdown.  If so, the employer has an obligation to help him, not abandon him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on November 20, 2016, 07:40:42 PM
"Look, clubs who want me, how well I am behaving".  He doesn't want to knuckle down at all?  Didn't he post a picture of himself with his shirt lifted?  Wouldn't surprise me if whoever we have sent him too has come back reporting that he didn't work hard at all.

I wouldn't be wasting clubs money on him.  We are going to get a very modest tribunal fee (if he stays in England).  I would be giving him enough rope to hang himself with.  By not playing him he could carry on getting fat and unfit and no club with the right mind would touch him.  Would really f*** his career up.  He deserves no more IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 20, 2016, 07:56:59 PM
Bye bye Saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on November 20, 2016, 08:19:17 PM
In all serious he may well have had a breakdown.  If so, the employer has an obligation to help him, not abandon him.

I have a feeling you may well be correct, it seems there's more to this, than just not being fit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on November 20, 2016, 09:08:48 PM
::)

Too little too late.

Just maybe, maybe he is growing up and will make his own hopefully mature decision rather than listening to hangers on, mates and an agent who only has his self interst uppermost
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 20, 2016, 09:44:02 PM
IF, he is genuinely remorseful, I think the fans should get behind him and support him, if they are just more weasel words, bye bye.

Everyone deserves a chance, he still wears the shirt, if he starts to wear the shirt with pride, I shall start to back him, its up to him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 20, 2016, 10:10:48 PM
All well and good saying that TBP, but it's easier said than done just welcoming him back. If he wears the shirt I will hope that he scores as it benefits the club I love, but I will never support him even if he stays long enough for a testimonial. He would only have stayed because he messed his career up so much he had no choice but to stay here or move to a club on the same level or below us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on November 20, 2016, 10:13:40 PM
Get fit, get in team and proove you want to be here,
Fair play for statement it is a start, didnt have to do it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on November 20, 2016, 10:21:32 PM
If he wrote that statement, it is easily the most eloquent statement he has ever come out with by a country mile. It has been very carefully worded and says all the right things, which is very un-Saido like. Have no idea what it all means or what to make of it, but someone somewhere has a plan which I suspect will be revealed shortly
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on November 20, 2016, 10:28:40 PM
So he apologises and people STILL try to put him down for trying to do the correct thing and be mature about the situation  ::)

Cracking support.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 20, 2016, 10:45:55 PM
If he wrote that statement, it is easily the most eloquent statement he has ever come out with by a country mile. It has been very carefully worded and says all the right things, which is very un-Saido like. Have no idea what it all means or what to make of it, but someone somewhere has a plan which I suspect will be revealed shortly

That's what I thought and questions how genuine it is. He has been problematic before these recent events over the last 12-18 months and I have doubts that we will see a reformed SB.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on November 20, 2016, 10:50:53 PM
My two penny's worth...

Berahino is emotionally insecure and acts childish to make up for his shortcomings, i.e. the supposed 'hangers on', the flashy lifestyle, the little digs at the club on twitter regarding his fitness, attitude etc.

It's a cliched view, but I don't think most footballers are like this. Compare him to someone like Brunt or any of our other players in fact, and it shows that Berahino behaves in a very emotionally unstable way.
Similarly, we all knew a kid like this at school who had nice clothes, was a loudmouth etc but didn't really have any friends and it was all a front because he felt insecure. This is Berahino, mentally he is too childish to be professional and handle being a player at the top level.

For his entire career up until last year, he got away with his shortcomings, he could act like a brat at Brentford but it didn't matter because he was far too good for them anyway, he could drink drive...again he wound up on his feet. Well, as mentioned the Premier League is different, there's no room for being complacent time and time again.

Anyway, I do believe him that he's been down etc and I hope that mentally he recovers. However, I do feel that getting physically fit isn't the answer either, and perhaps he could have some councilling to sort out the root of his issues, because otherwise I can't see him returning to his former self.

It's all a shame really, he's self-destructing a potentially great career, costing himself millions whilst the club moves on and other players take his place.
I'd also imagine that Berahino thought he could walk back into the team based on his twitter posts and this statement has come off the back of being rejected by the club (yes, I doubt those were his exact words but I imagine that is how things went).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on November 20, 2016, 11:06:48 PM
In all honesty, none of us actually know him personally so whatever we think of him it will be filtered through social media/media which is never a true representation of somebody or what they might be going through.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 20, 2016, 11:50:23 PM
Be the bigger man. Forgive and forget.

If Saido is truly suffering from depression I am willing to support him through it.

Come on lad, come back and get banging them in!

No thanks. Get him out of the club, problem (of his own making) solved.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on November 21, 2016, 12:20:44 AM
OK then Saido, over to you chap...........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on November 21, 2016, 12:37:41 AM
Be the bigger man. Forgive and forget.

If Saido is truly suffering from depression I am willing to support him through it.

Come on lad, come back and get banging them in!
I've been well hacked off with the lad for some months now but if he really has problems and still really wants to wear the shirt then I will support him. However, he has burned a lot of bridges, it won't be an easy road back for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on November 21, 2016, 01:18:05 AM
There comes a point that kicking the guy when he's down is just spiteful. If he has mental health problems I cannot be happy about that regardless of what I think about attitude after the Spurs debacle.

Whatever his problems I hope recovers be that with us or as seems increasingly likely another club which at this rate in all probability won't be a Premier League one. I fear he will be another lost talent and that is a pity.

The club does need to learn from the saga. While I know we didn't want to lose the player but now we seem to have lost the player and the fee and as such we have to question the wisdom of always holding onto disgruntled players just for the sake of not being bullied.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on November 21, 2016, 01:38:41 AM
I know it's a cliche, but agents have a lot to answer for. I believe these people started Berahino on this path to demanding more riches, and it has backfired. Where are they now? That's not to say that Berahino or any other person shouldn't be responsible for their actions, they should! He's been well out of order, even after a second chance, or three.

I'm so close to saying that we should give him another chance to prove us right that he can go out on the pitch again and be a great striker for us. The other side of my brain tells me that I'm going to get conned and he will leave us at the earliest opportunity or simply not perform. It's a tough one really. He may have actually turned a corner. I'm not so sure though. It's up to Saido to answer these questions.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 21, 2016, 06:42:41 AM
Maybe Pulis is behind this.
Maybe by having Berahino away from the club he can push his case with the new owners for bringing in a new striker without necessarily having to shift the troubled one out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on November 21, 2016, 07:02:00 AM
It's not going to work, get rid he's not good for the dressing room let someone else have the problem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on November 21, 2016, 07:35:01 AM
Be the bigger man. Forgive and forget.

If Saido is truly suffering from depression I am willing to support him through it.

Come on lad, come back and get banging them in!

Agree with this. Cannot help but think he received some duff advice early on which has put him in this position. He has a lot to do but underneath all of this is a real talent - we know this.

So if its true and he means well - he has my support.

Mental health has to be taken seriously.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 21, 2016, 09:02:51 AM
All well and good saying that TBP, but it's easier said than done just welcoming him back. If he wears the shirt I will hope that he scores as it benefits the club I love, but I will never support him even if he stays long enough for a testimonial. He would only have stayed because he messed his career up so much he had no choice but to stay here or move to a club on the same level or below us.

That is where I have a problem with your view, lots of people make mistakes, sometimes several, if they are genuinely remorseful both in words and deeds then it is only reasonable that supporters of the club reciprocate.
To do anything else only damages our club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 21, 2016, 09:06:19 AM
OK then Saido, over to you chap...........

In six words, absolutely spot on  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on November 21, 2016, 09:25:13 AM
Depression manifests itself in many forms. His father was killed in the Burundi civil war and his mother escaped the war with him and bring him over here, claiming refugee status. He's then been propelled into the Premier League spotlight at 19 years old, where immediately hangers on and agents circle round him. A life none of us can even begin to imagine.

Yes he's been a bit of a git, but i think the above is sufficient mitigating circumstances.

I hope the time away from the spotlight gives him the ability to realise the talent he has got, whether he realises it with us or another team only time will tell.

Its healthy for a striker to have some confidence and cockiness, but there needs to be a balance of humbleness that he is yet to develop.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 21, 2016, 10:15:48 AM
'Repay the club and the fans'

What a load of cobblers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 21, 2016, 10:22:03 AM
Been pretty critical of him, in I feel largely justified situations.

However for me, it's time to draw a line under everything thats happened and forgive/forget/move on.

I sincerely hope he manages to get himself healthy both physically and mentally, whether it be at us or at another club, or even out of football completely.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on November 21, 2016, 10:58:39 AM
I don't wish any ill on him and hope he gets better and has some sort of career but he only really had potential and after nearly two seasons of nothing he's never going to get that back in is development, he's lost a yard of pace already. He's the same age as Lukaku not a child and when he looks back on all of this it's nobody's fault but his own, he can't blame Peace for being sent back from Brentford or allianating most of the England squad in a few days.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on November 21, 2016, 11:02:28 AM
Practically speaking, we could really do without this sideshow as a club, but I hope he comes through wherever he ends up - he really has come a cropper, hasn't he.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on November 21, 2016, 11:16:28 AM
Without appearing heartless,if he does sort himself out,bothentally and physically,what use is he to us? He will leave,we will get a minimal amount for him why should we continue to help him out?
We have looked after him very well since he was very young and he has shown us almost disdain for doing so.
Let him go in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 21, 2016, 11:22:51 AM
It will do him and us good if he moves on, however, I doubt whether clubs will be inclined to risk bringing an unstable player onto their books.

I can see us just letting him walk away once our "duty of care" has been satisfied.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 21, 2016, 11:25:10 AM
Without appearing heartless,if he does sort himself out,bothentally and physically,what use is he to us? He will leave,we will get a minimal amount for him why should we continue to help him out?
We have looked after him very well since he was very young and he has shown us almost disdain for doing so.
Let him go in January.

Think as a club, resolving an issue that involves someone with a form of mental health, should be dealt with professionaly.

Yes we may believe hes 'no good to us' and cant wait to get rid of him and the baggage that comes with, however as an Employer, we will need to ensure we have done everything we can to try and co-operate in getting Saido's mental health back to 'normal.'

If the club literally left him out to dry, with this statement then coming out, it could look very badly on us as a club.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on November 21, 2016, 11:31:40 AM
It will do him and us good if he moves on, however, I doubt whether clubs will be inclined to risk bringing an unstable player onto their books.

I can see us just letting him walk away once our "duty of care" has been satisfied.
That duty of care will have provided him with more dosh than I will earn in my lifetime, so I don't think the club can be criticised either way.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 21, 2016, 11:47:27 AM
Being handed bucket loads of money isn't a cure from suffering from depression though.

I guess the clubs 'duty of care' should come down to hiring a good sports psychologist and creating a stable working environment.

Other than that though it is really up to the employee to seek the professional help he/she needs
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 21, 2016, 12:25:37 PM
Being handed bucket loads of money isn't a cure from suffering from depression though.

I guess the clubs 'duty of care' should come down to hiring a good sports psychologist and creating a stable working environment.

Other than that though it is really up to the employee to seek the professional help he/she needs

No but it buys a better class of misery
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on November 21, 2016, 12:56:33 PM
Being handed bucket loads of money isn't a cure from suffering from depression though.

I guess the clubs 'duty of care' should come down to hiring a good sports psychologist and creating a stable working environment.

Other than that though it is really up to the employee to seek the professional help he/she needs
He says he felt depressed not that he has been diagnosed with depression. Two completely different things.

If he has been diagnosed, then he does indeed need support, it is an awful illness, but the standard of Mental Healthcare for the general population is unbelievably poor, so I would imagine a bit of cash will in fact bring a better quality of treatment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on November 21, 2016, 01:25:14 PM
To me it seems like a specially prepared statement to try to get fans back onside to little to late for me
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2016, 01:29:50 PM
There is no mention of mental health issues. Readers have jumped to conclusions.

Imagine a new contract will follow but it's going to be very difficult to win back the fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on November 21, 2016, 01:38:39 PM
It looks to be a statement aimed at paving the way for a rapid about turn and signing of a new contract. Otherwise I don't see why he wouldn'tjust  be shipped off to the French fat camp without the statement. It looks aimed at trying to show a more humble/mature  outlook from him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 21, 2016, 02:22:46 PM
That is where I have a problem with your view, lots of people make mistakes, sometimes several, if they are genuinely remorseful both in words and deeds then it is only reasonable that supporters of the club reciprocate.
To do anything else only damages our club.

I do not believe for a second that he is genuinely remorseful. You highlight deeds, what deeds has he done in the 18 months up to now that show his remorse? Issuing a poxy statement clearly written for him by someone else? Blimey, you are setting the bar low if that is your justification for trying to drum up support for him.

I'll stick the 18 months of completely unprofessional behaviour culminating in his being overweight and sent to fat camp twice despite having access to the best fitness facilities money can buy on a daily basis. I keep myself in shape despite working 50 hour weeks in an office position by running of an evening and going to the gym 3/4 times a week. Saido has a far easier opportunity to keep fit than I bloody do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on November 21, 2016, 02:25:48 PM
There is no mention of mental health issues. Readers have jumped to conclusions.

Imagine a new contract will follow but it's going to be very difficult to win back the fans.
He did say that the whole saga had left him feeling depressed, which is what people are focusing on. Whether he actually means suffering from depression or just feeling a bit despondent, who knows?
I still don't know why he has been sent to France, rather than just working on his fitness here, with the help and support of the staff and his team mates who he seems all of a sudden to appreciate. It doesn't add up. Like you, I suspect a new contract is what it's all about but I can't see it all ending well if that is the case.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 21, 2016, 02:50:03 PM
I do not believe for a second that he is genuinely remorseful. You highlight deeds, what deeds has he done in the 18 months up to now that show his remorse? Issuing a poxy statement clearly written for him by someone else? Blimey, you are setting the bar low if that is your justification for trying to drum up support for him.

I'll stick the 18 months of completely unprofessional behaviour culminating in his being overweight and sent to fat camp twice despite having access to the best fitness facilities money can buy on a daily basis. I keep myself in shape despite working 50 hour weeks in an office position by running of an evening and going to the gym 3/4 times a week. Saido has a far easier opportunity to keep fit than I bloody do.

By deeds, I mean that he plays and gives his all, scores and shows some appreciation to the supporters, none of that will happen if as soon as he steps on the pitch he is booed by a few of our 'supporters'.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 21, 2016, 02:54:14 PM
By deeds, I mean that he plays and gives his all, scores and shows some appreciation to the supporters, none of that will happen if as soon as he steps on the pitch he is booed by a few of our 'supporters'.

Again, he has not done this in the past 18 months so why should supporters believe when he first steps onto the pitch again after that statement that things will be any different?

Ball is firmly in Saido's court to prove to the fans he wants to be here and will do what he is paid handsomely to do, which is give his all in an Albion shirt. Any fans cannot be criticised for being skeptical about a PR statement, there is a lot of water (apt given the weather today) under the bridge that he needs to come back from.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on November 21, 2016, 03:30:12 PM
There is no mention of mental health issues. Readers have jumped to conclusions.

Imagine a new contract will follow but it's going to be very difficult to win back the fans.

He said he was feeling depressed, that is a mental health issue. Coupled with his bizarre behaviour, it's quite clear he has problems.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 21, 2016, 03:34:57 PM
He said he was feeling depressed, that is a mental health issue. Coupled with his bizarre behaviour, it's quite clear he has problems.

I felt depressed when my alarm went off at 6.30 this morning. Can people please rally round me and show me utmost sympathy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 21, 2016, 03:40:55 PM
Pray for Fritzl Palace
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 21, 2016, 03:41:43 PM
Pray for Fritzl Palace

Thank you Jordie, your support means much to me at this difficult time. I may also require a couple of weeks all expenses paid to France.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on November 21, 2016, 03:42:58 PM
Thank you Jordie, your support means much to me at this difficult time. I may also require a couple of weeks all expenses paid to France.

You're on your own with that one chap  ;) .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on November 21, 2016, 03:50:24 PM
He wants to repay the club and fans, easiest way to do that is get yourself fit and start scoring goals
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 21, 2016, 04:11:39 PM
There's a bit of a problem for him now in that even if he gets himself fit he won't start unless something happens to Rondon or Chadli....then he has to keep himself fit while not playing which shouldn't normally be an issue but it sounds as though it is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on November 22, 2016, 10:50:52 AM
If the club still feel he has a future here then they need to ask him straight out what he wants to do, stay or go.
I'm sure he knows that a LOT of fans have had enough of his antics over the last 18 months & if he was to stay he has alot of hard work ahead of him to start to win them back. This will be hard for him to do so he needs to make sure in his mind that he's up for that fight before he signs a new contract.
There was the making of a good premiership striker within him before all this rubbish happened.
A good start could be if he was to sign a new contract could be him dropping his agent & look for a new one, i mean i thought his job was not only getting him the most money & addons  but to look after his welfare to.

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 22, 2016, 10:55:57 AM
suns out and its 20degrees in Monaco today 8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on November 22, 2016, 12:08:15 PM
I think only Saido, the club and those close to him really know whats going on.

It would seem from his past behaviour he has some issues, i personally think since Preseason he hasnt done a lot wrong (i may of missed something) i thought preseason and the start of the season he was trying too hard if anything.

Problem is if he is a bit unstable at the moment, it will only take minor things to throw him back a step. The fans understandably are not 100% behind him, but if he is thinking he does want a fresh start and everytime he makes a mistake he gets jumped on the pitch, that sets him back, but you cant blame the fans as from the outside it looks like he has been an idiot, its a catch 22 situation.

I read the statement as he was admitting he messed up, thank the support he had and acknowledging he needs to sort out a few problems (if he is feeling depressed then that is the main thing)

I think if he is looking at staying when he comes back, he would be best to put out a statement saying so, saying again he has been silly and asking the club and fans for a chance, i think most Albion fans would probably give him the chance and if he performs then things build from there.

At that point its over to him, of course it could all be a big smokescreen and he is leaving anyway!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on November 22, 2016, 02:45:18 PM
We should be sending a bill to Daniel Levy for messing with his head and destroying him in the process.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on November 23, 2016, 10:04:57 AM
We should be sending a bill to Daniel Levy for messing with his head and destroying him in the process.
I don't think in football terms Spurs did anything wrong, how often have we criticised Peace offering way below the asking price for players and dragging it out for weeks and often losing out on players because of it. Jeff Schlupp apparently really wanted to move to us in the summer and is still keen on the move but haven't noticed him refusing to play or drink driving because of it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 23, 2016, 10:23:05 AM
We should be sending a bill to Daniel Levy for messing with his head and destroying him in the process.


I totally agree
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 23, 2016, 12:15:22 PM
I don't think in football terms Spurs did anything wrong, how often have we criticised Peace offering way below the asking price for players and dragging it out for weeks and often losing out on players because of it. Jeff Schlupp apparently really wanted to move to us in the summer and is still keen on the move but haven't noticed him refusing to play or drink driving because of it.

No, just smashes his Maserati up then tells the old bill 'Oh well I've got three more'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicesters-jeffrey-schlupp-smashes-up-9314976
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on November 23, 2016, 12:46:43 PM
Yes he smashed up his car S**t happens but no suggestions of foul play  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 23, 2016, 01:13:56 PM
Yes he smashed up his car S**t happens but no suggestions of foul play  :D

bit of a dick saying that to the copper though!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 23, 2016, 02:11:11 PM
he said it to recovery people not the police, it even says it in the article...despite the headline..typical Mirror!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 23, 2016, 02:34:31 PM
Can't post it now but theres a great piece on Saido from GMAC in the Bham mail.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 23, 2016, 02:44:01 PM
he said it to recovery people not the police, it even says it in the article...despite the headline..typical Mirror!

doesn't make him any less a dick for saying it, whoever he said it to
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 23, 2016, 06:53:20 PM
doesn't make him any less a dick for saying it, whoever he said it to
I'm with you on that one!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 23, 2016, 06:59:11 PM
There's a sports (and other?) psychology aspect to his time in France also, which seems to be a sensible step to take.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on November 23, 2016, 07:04:22 PM
Sick of this bloke and that's what he is , i will wait to see what happens in January  and see if he tries to screw the club .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 24, 2016, 02:39:07 PM
Can't post it now but theres a great piece on Saido from GMAC in the Bham mail.
Found this in the E&S ..is it the same piece?

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/11/22/gareth-mcauley-encouraged-by-saido-berahinos-statement-of-intent/

wish they'd stop calling him a kid though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 24, 2016, 02:59:07 PM
Yep , cheers Hull  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 24, 2016, 05:41:20 PM
Most important line from that for me was from Pulis:

“Inwardly he’s looking at himself now, and not everybody else, and that’s what we’ve always wanted for him and that’s the way he will improve and get better."

Think that sums up how he has been in his attitude up to now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on December 09, 2016, 10:21:19 AM
Interview with Fletcher has Berahino down as the one that's always late for training - "stuck in traffic".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on December 09, 2016, 02:01:42 PM
the crowd are starting to unite as one again getting behind the players and pulis abit more last thing we want is this waste of space getting near the first team again and causing disruption...the sooner hes gone the better
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 09, 2016, 04:08:10 PM
I think that if Fletcher has gone public with this, albeit disguised as light hearted, it shows that Berahino has not yet changed his spots, despite his public statements about knuckling down etc. It is a recent interview, so if things had changed, Fletcher might have been expected to say something along the lines of "it used to be Saido, but now he is a changed man and one of the first at the training ground". Berahino may be beyond redemption I fear.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: section5 on December 09, 2016, 04:53:52 PM
I think that if Fletcher has gone public with this, albeit disguised as light hearted, it shows that Berahino has not yet changed his spots, despite his public statements about knuckling down etc. It is a recent interview, so if things had changed, Fletcher might have been expected to say something along the lines of "it used to be Saido, but now he is a changed man and one of the first at the training ground". Berahino may be beyond redemption I fear.

There humans not robots. People are people have we all not got that one mate who is prone to tardiness haha.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on December 09, 2016, 04:59:19 PM
It’s a tongue in cheek interview and a bit of fun.
Lasts for a total of 7mins 12 secs and is toward the bottom of the linked article.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/darren-fletcher-slams-west-brom-9421950 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/darren-fletcher-slams-west-brom-9421950)

Snippets as below:

Hardest trainer – Craig Gardner
Worst trainer – Solomon Rondon; works so hard during games he must be conserving himself
Always early – Craig Dawson; in before the coaches and the busiest man he’s seen in football
Always late – Saido Berahino, although he goes on to later praise him as the best and most natural finisher at the club and one of the best he’s ever seen
Who bosses the gym – Jonas Olsson
Who never stops running – James McClean; probably the fittest guy I’ve ever come across in football
King of the nutmegs – Nacer Chadli
Outfield player as goalie – Craig Gardner
Who never gives the ball away – Jonny Evans
Who flies into tackles most in training– James McClean and Callum McManaman; both are alleged to be red cards waiting to happen in training
Who’d make a good coach – Jonny Evans and Jonas Olsson
Who is the fastest – James McClean, Solomon Rondon and perhaps Nacer Chadl
Who does all the tricks in training – Johnny Leko; just needs to remember that you only need to beat your man once, there’s no need to go back and do it again
Worst loser in training – Jonas Olsson; constantly kicking the ball away and swears in Swedish when things go against him, as such the squad enjoy winding him up
Biggest moaner – himself, Callum McManaman, Boaz Myhill, Jonny Evans and Jonas Olsson
Best penalty taker in training – himself
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 09, 2016, 06:22:55 PM
There humans not robots. People are people have we all not got that one mate who is prone to tardiness haha.
Fair enough. There was someone at my work who was, as you say, "prone to tardiness". Eventually, the bosses gave him a written warning and his timekeeping miraculously improved. Berahino has been fined before for lateness but, on the basis of these comments, seems not to have learnt from his mistakes. This is an ongoing theme with Saido, and you do have to wonder if maybe the requisite gene that makes you think about your actions is somehow missing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: section5 on December 10, 2016, 10:53:36 AM
I know what your saying but these are footballers who live in a different world, it's not even the same game it was 10 years ago, who would have thought rondon would have been named as worst trainer?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wodenson46 on December 10, 2016, 03:58:49 PM
There humans not robots. People are people have we all not got that one mate who is prone to tardiness haha.


I haven't, but my mates have
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 17GD on December 10, 2016, 11:42:14 PM
Maybe someone should show him the film Coach Carter - "if training starts at 3, you are late as of 2.55"

A great film.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on December 12, 2016, 07:03:20 PM
saido to start against wolves for the u23s tonight at kiddy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 13, 2016, 09:54:58 AM
Looking at the Birmingham Mail's website, there is a video of Saido before last night's match. Have to say, he still looks a bit of a tubber to me. Anyone else seen it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BRIAN on December 13, 2016, 10:26:59 AM
I would suggest Lukako looks a bit "bulky" but I don't hear many silly remarks about him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on December 13, 2016, 10:30:50 AM
I would suggest Lukako looks a bit "bulky" but I don't hear many silly remarks about him.

I think in the case of Lukaku it adds to his game....built like a tank and pretty unstoppable when he is running at you.

Not the case for SB......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 13, 2016, 11:23:36 AM
Comparing Lukaku to Saido is a bit silly IMO.

Its like comparing Drogba to SKP, 2 totally different styles / physiques

I watched the video and yes either SB has bulked up significantly or he is overweight, hard to tell which, but he is definitely  "growing".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on December 13, 2016, 11:25:38 AM
I would suggest Lukako looks a bit "bulky" but I don't hear many silly remarks about him.

That's like comparing John Gayle with a John Spencer

Lukaku is a big bruising unstoppable centre forward

Berahino is a tubby child

Would love him to get fit but it's December and he still isn't...whose fault is that??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 13, 2016, 11:42:22 AM
Watched the video too.

The was one shot I saw I thought was telling. Both Saido and another player were both standing side on.

The other players back was essentially flat whereas Saido looked a bit like a male Kim Kardashain.

It could be down to a bad posture but I doubt it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on December 13, 2016, 11:47:19 AM
He's just too short for his weight.
For his weight he should be 9ft 6"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on December 13, 2016, 11:49:50 AM
I can't see where he'd fit in ( not a size joke ;D).
For me he wouldn't replace Rondon , not sure he can play the popular one up front role....in fact I'd sooner see HRK given a go first.
The slot behind Rondon he once had is between Chadli , Morrison and possibly Phillips now.
The slots out wide between Phillips , Brunt , McClean ,Chadli and Leko.
The above is how far Saido has let things go since Spurs gate , not 100% his fault but at the end of the day he controls his destiny.
Right now I wouldn't play him above any of the above mentioned players , its going to be a very long road back for Saido Imo .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on December 13, 2016, 11:58:16 AM
I can't see where he'd fit in ( not a size joke ;D).
For me he wouldn't replace Rondon , not sure he can play the popular one up front role....in fact I'd sooner see HRK given a go first.
The slot behind Rondon he once had is between Chadli , Morrison and possibly Phillips now.
The slots out wide between Phillips , Brunt , McClean ,Chadli and Leko.
The above is how far Saido has let things go since Spurs gate , not 100% his fault but at the end of the day he controls his destiny.
Right now I wouldn't play him above any of the above mentioned players , its going to be a very long road back for Saido Imo .


I don't want to see him in an Albion shirt again. In footballing terms as a professional he's a waster, a loser. He's a bad apple that needs chucking in the bin.

I hope we get rid at the next available opportunity.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 13, 2016, 12:00:46 PM
Rather than it being a long road back I think at this point he has veered off the said road so much he doesn't have enough time to get back on track before his career is over.

At this stage I just can't see any other scenario than him than slowely fading down the leagues in the same manner as the likes of Luke Moore
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on December 13, 2016, 12:08:43 PM
Rather than it being a long road back I think at this point he has veered off the said road so much he doesn't have enough time to get back on track before his career is over.

At this stage I just can't see any other scenario than him than slowely fading down the leagues in the same manner as the likes of Luke Moore
Agree with that said it for a while , I think coming back this time really is his last roll of the dice.Even then I suspect he's lost too much development time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on December 13, 2016, 12:16:33 PM
Agree with that said it for a while , I think coming back this time really is his last roll of the dice.Even then I suspect he's lost too much development time.

Totally agree
Before all the rubbish about moving to Spurs it the fan i would have put him ahead of Harry Kane has England's new young forward prospect.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on December 13, 2016, 01:07:57 PM
Totally agree with Atomic would`nt have him anywhere near the Hawthorn`s total and complete pratt.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on December 13, 2016, 01:40:57 PM
Fully understand what you are saying. He has sort of apologised to the fans but now he has to deliver. I too cannot see a space for him in the team we now have, so I see him at best as a squad player on the bench who can replace Rondon when required or contribute to a shape change during a game. I would like to see him gradually introduced back into the squad, but he has to want to do that himself as the majority of the crowd are still against him. Hopefully he will bang a few in, increase his stock [which is on the floor at the moment] and we can still get money for him.

If he doesn't sign up to that then he can 'do one' as far as I am concerned.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiedom on December 13, 2016, 03:07:26 PM
Personally i dont want him anywhere near first team ever again! is it a coincidence we have had the best run for a while when hes nowhere near the first team set up??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 13, 2016, 03:17:53 PM
Personally i dnt want him anywhere near first team ever again!is it a coincidence we have had the best run for a while when hes nowhere near the first team set up??
Yes, I think it is a coincidence. We will have bad runs when he is nowhere near the team as well. But I agree with you that he shouldn't be near the first team. I think the current posturing by the club is one last throw of the dice to get some mug to pay a bit of money for him in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on December 13, 2016, 03:40:44 PM
Personally i dnt want him anywhere near first team ever again!is it a coincidence we have had the best run for a while when hes nowhere near the first team set up??

He was also nowhere near the team when we were garbage before our recent run of form, which is only 4 games old to be fair, so I don't get the logic of that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 13, 2016, 04:54:10 PM
Never liked him, but funny how many fans who previously backed him and used the "hes an Albion player" now want him nowhere the squad after realizing we had far better players already at the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 13, 2016, 04:55:45 PM
Made it well known over the past eighteen months I want him nowhere near the side, even if he were our best player. Remain fed up of hearing about him and depresses me that over the next 7 months we will hear about him virtually non-stop with the transfer wranglings to come before he finally leaves come July.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on December 13, 2016, 05:50:22 PM
Just out of interest did anyone go to watch the U23's last night?

If so what were your impressions of his fitness and general application please?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 13, 2016, 05:57:09 PM
Just out of interest did anyone go to watch the U23's last night?

If so what were your impressions of his fitness and general application please?

Both looked fine, but he was playing 'with the kids', this is someone who was apparently worth around £20/25m... if he looked anything but whilst playing with them then things would be alot more worrying.

But like others have said, where does he fit into the squad ATM? ... we signed chadli who was 'the best player we got' when it happened yet the team are playing so well its keeping him on the bench... so what chance does saido have, pulis is obviously going to get him involved with the squad as he has already stated so it will be an interesting next few games that's for sure.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on December 13, 2016, 06:11:28 PM
Both looked fine, but he was playing 'with the kids'

Excellent, thank you very much.

I know what you mean regards the level of those around him, but I'm looking at it from a slightly different angle.

He applied himself when it would have been easier to say 'naughty word it, this is beneath me'.

Not about to claim all is good and will be forgotten or forgiven by the way.

Just pleased to hear he got involved and didn't stink the place out or drag those around him down.

Cheers again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on December 13, 2016, 06:34:01 PM

I don't want to see him in an Albion shirt again. In footballing terms as a professional he's a waster, a loser. He's a bad apple that needs chucking in the bin.

I hope we get rid at the next available opportunity.
fully agree how people still back this waste of space and boo players like fletcher and olsson who train every day and want to play for the club is shocking get rid 1st of jan..i really hope i never see him anywhere near 1st team on match day
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 13, 2016, 06:57:27 PM
Excellent, thank you very much.

I know what you mean regards the level of those around him, but I'm looking at it from a slightly different angle.

He applied himself when it would have been easier to say 'naughty word it, this is beneath me'.

Not about to claim all is good and will be forgotten or forgiven by the way.

Just pleased to hear he got involved and didn't stink the place out or drag those around him down.

Cheers again.

Completely understand and agree with what your saying.

As long as he keeps it up now and gives it his best whilst he's still here... I don't think he will win the fans over but as long as he don't do anything stupid either then people have no reason to moan and we can carry on enjoying the way we are playing atm without saido being in the squad being a negative.

After all, people are expecting not to see him in a baggies shirt again but the harsh reality is the club STILL want him to sign a new contract... but because it's not what people want, people like to believe it's not a possibility.

But I think he has a very very long way to go before he's playing in our first team with regards to how the team is performing ATM... only time will tell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adamstv on December 13, 2016, 09:27:34 PM
Think Pulis is just getting him ready to be sold in  January. Get him back in the frame, put his name out there again and hopefully somebody will come in and buy him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 13, 2016, 09:50:37 PM
Think Pulis is just getting him ready to be sold in  January. Get him back in the frame, put his name out there again and hopefully somebody will come in and buy him.

I think this has been the plan for the past 2-3 months.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 13, 2016, 10:39:02 PM
Think Pulis is just getting him ready to be sold in  January. Get him back in the frame, put his name out there again and hopefully somebody will come in and buy him.

Bit of a gamble though if no one wants him, pulis isn't stupid.. can't see the club doing all this because they think they might be able to sell him.

People are forgetting pulis wants him at the club, the club want to keep him (regardless if he wants to be here or not).... its the fans that don't want him - Pulis isn't going to want to sell just to please the fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on December 13, 2016, 10:50:14 PM
Bit of a gamble though if no one wants him, pulis isn't stupid.. can't see the club doing all this because they think they might be able to sell him.

People are forgetting pulis wants him at the club, the club want to keep him (regardless if he wants to be here or not).... its the fans that don't want him - Pulis isn't going to want to sell just to please the fans.
never been able to decide what pulis really wants regarding saido, cannot see anyone stumping up the cash we want for saido now, I think that horse has long bolted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on December 13, 2016, 11:07:04 PM
PULIS wants him out only getting him fit to sell take no notice of all thats being said we have to be seen to be doing the right thing . The shithole does`nt want to stay and i for 1 don`t want him here be glad to see the back of the little scumbag.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 14, 2016, 12:34:53 AM
PULIS wants him out only getting him fit to sell take no notice of all thats being said we have to be seen to be doing the right thing . The shithole does`nt want to stay and i for 1 don`t want him here be glad to see the back of the little scumbag.

Got any links for pulis wanting him out or is it just your opinion that you believe are facts?

Personally I don't feel like there is any point him being here... for 2 REALISTIC reasons...

1) do we need him right now? No.. we're doing fine without
2) where do any of us seeing him fitting in? I wouldn't put him before any player when you consider his form and any other players form at this moment in time

But do you really think that if pulis or the club wanted him gone... he would still be here after going through all this to keep him here?

Common sense should answer that question.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mooncat on December 14, 2016, 08:27:58 AM
TP wants a player he can utilise in the squad - until such time as the club sells him, that player is Saido, so he's not going to say he wants rid as that could cause problems between him and the player.
What TP's personal views on the matter are would be more telling - but ultimately, as he's said on many occasions, a fit and focused Berahino are an asset to the club, and if we get that then great. No manager wants a player in the squad that they can't call on, but how they manage that relationship in the interim is the key.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on December 14, 2016, 09:50:37 AM
So Pulis is going to turn round and say I don`t want Berahino at the club and don`t care if he`s fit or not of cause he is`nt but mark my words Pulis wants him gone and Berhino does not want to be here. If he`s here still after January is up to a few things will any club put an offer in if there is an offer will we accept if accepted will Berahino want the deal and he could sign a pre contract with someone here or abroad to go free in summer.but sooner or later these next 6 months will see the end off Berahino as an Albion player I hope the sooner.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Webby on December 14, 2016, 10:50:05 AM
Just a sad situation where the best youth player we've produced in pretty much forever has turned out like this! Whether it's down the player himself, poor advice, poor handling of him. We'd all kill for some decent youth to come through, it has done and look what's happened.

Not saying he may not be to blame but could we have handled some situations better? Rhetorical question sort of. The bigger the club you get the more divas/egos you also get, look at City, United etc.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on December 14, 2016, 11:01:03 AM
Got any links for pulis wanting him out or is it just your opinion that you believe are facts?

Personally I don't feel like there is any point him being here... for 2 REALISTIC reasons...

1) do we need him right now? No.. we're doing fine without
2) where do any of us seeing him fitting in? I wouldn't put him before any player when you consider his form and any other players form at this moment in time

But do you really think that if pulis or the club wanted him gone... he would still be here after going through all this to keep him here?

Common sense should answer that question.
He's our second best striker, that's for sure.
Not defending him, just highlighting how bare-boned we are in that area. If Rondon got a serious injury would you want HRK up front for the foreseeable?
At least 2 strikers needed jan for me, whether Berahino stays or goes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on December 15, 2016, 06:28:05 PM
Just a sad situation where the best youth player we've produced in pretty much forever has turned out like this! Whether it's down the player himself, poor advice, poor handling of him. We'd all kill for some decent youth to come through, it has done and look what's happened.

Not saying he may not be to blame but could we have handled some situations better? Rhetorical question sort of. The bigger the club you get the more divas/egos you also get, look at City, United etc.
Best youth player we have produced in pretty much forever? You ain't too old then,how about bomber or Hartford for starters.overated for a player who can't head a ball too
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on December 15, 2016, 06:53:18 PM
Hey guys, I say sell him to China for a mad amount of money in January!

60 million for Oscar,crazy!

Whats he worth, 40 mill,30 mill?

What would they pay for a rising/falling star?

Could our Chinese connections do us a favour?

Or perhaps Father Christmas would take him off our hands.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 15, 2016, 07:05:14 PM
Best youth player we have produced in pretty much forever? You ain't too old then,how about bomber or Hartford for starters.overated for a player who can't head a ball too
Bryan Robson
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on December 15, 2016, 07:14:46 PM
Bryan Robson
Most definitely, Robson,Saido is way down the list of best youth players we have produced and I'd wager leko will overtake him very soon
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 17, 2016, 04:32:38 PM
There will be lots of speculation and maybe even a bid or two in January, but not from any clubs that Saido would consider moving to I suspect. For this reason and this reason only, I think he will still be on our books when the season ends
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 18, 2016, 12:41:15 AM
There will be lots of speculation and maybe even a bid or two in January, but not from any clubs that Saido would consider moving to I suspect. For this reason and this reason only, I think he will still be on our books when the season ends
West Ham?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on December 18, 2016, 11:04:59 AM
Most definitely, Robson,Saido is way down the list of best youth players we have produced and I'd wager leko will overtake him very soon

In my time watching Albion...Bobby Hope, Tony Brown, Ali Rob, Decca Statham, Bryan Robson, Asa, Len...the list of players we have produced who were better than Saido is really quite a long one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on December 18, 2016, 02:17:46 PM
Won`t apoligise cannot stand what he done for our club and don`t bother with insults it`s like water of a ducks back so i won`t belittle myself to insult you back ;) ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 20, 2016, 01:42:53 PM
Berahino in demand according to the BBC:

West Brom's Saido Berahino attracting transfer interest - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38381225

However has no actual new news, just saying there was interest before
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on December 20, 2016, 04:57:54 PM
off topic, but its quite shocking how few forwards some of the "top" clubs are running with
Chelsea Arsenal and Liverpool for 3 off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 20, 2016, 08:12:56 PM
Berahino in demand according to the BBC:

West Brom's Saido Berahino attracting transfer interest - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38381225

However has no actual new news, just saying there was interest before
Snigger. Maybe one or two sniffing around hoping to get him for a low enough sum to be worth the risk, but no reason for him to sign when he can choose his own club on his own terms at the end of the season (from those daft enough to employ him)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 20, 2016, 11:07:53 PM
Snigger. Maybe one or two sniffing around hoping to get him for a low enough sum to be worth the risk, but no reason for him to sign when he can choose his own club on his own terms at the end of the season (from those daft enough to employ him)

To be fair take a look at the 'story'. It's all links to last window's rumours and speculation
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 20, 2016, 11:41:38 PM
Pulis on Berahino in the January window:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-9470199
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 21, 2016, 10:49:42 AM
Lets all just move on and watch him fall down the leagues.

Most overrated player in last 10 years at this club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 22, 2016, 10:42:02 PM
Lets all just move on and watch him fall down the leagues.

Most overrated player in last 10 years at this club.

Yeah considering he's been nowhere near the squad since September time
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on December 22, 2016, 11:17:25 PM
Lets all just move on and watch him fall down the leagues.

Most overrated player in last 10 years at this club.
plus one,he had a good start but for me a combination of not fitting the pulis blueprint along with being overated has finished him at B71 and i for one would like to see the end of Saido asap and move on.and he will end up like another luke warm,of that i have no doubt
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 22, 2016, 11:18:42 PM
Be lucky to give him away at the end of it all
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on December 24, 2016, 02:45:22 PM
He is no doubt at a cross roads, does he fail to meet his potential like an Agbonlahor or get his pooh together?
I don't think he is overrated at all, if the club felt he was overrated they would have let him go a long time ago. They didn't let him go 2 transfer periods ago because they thought he legitimately had a chance of helping a competitor stay up at our expense.

The guy can play, but he has some serious mental issues and he doesn't have anywhere near the resolve that champions do. Champions would be wanting to get on the pitch and demolish oppositions even if they tried to get out of the club at the same time.

However if he does go to another Prem club and he has his head on right, I strongly suspect he will do quite well. He hasn't just lost his talent.

Whatever the case, the Berahino West Brom saga is almost over, I just wish we had taken some cash for him earlier, but I suspect we will still get at least 10 million if he doesn't go overseas.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 24, 2016, 04:26:38 PM
Reckon West Ham or Palace will fight Stoke hard to sign him.  Stoke want him, Palace need him, and West Ham really need him.

I could see him fancying West Ham.  Not sure if he fancies the other two though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on December 24, 2016, 05:32:02 PM
don`t rule out spurs still need a striker to back up kane Beras;;t now a cheap option
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 24, 2016, 05:38:28 PM
don`t rule out spurs still need a striker to back up kane Beras;;t now a cheap option

I know he's stupid but i don't think he's stupid enough to leave a club that he's trying to get back into the first team (where he knows pulis want's him to be playing providing he can get back upto scratch) to go to a team to be a back up player, i think even himself would realise there not going to play him over kane.

He want's to play for a top club, himself and pulis have both stated that... unless a top club comes in for him, i have a feeling were going to be stuck with him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 24, 2016, 06:34:56 PM
I think money talks.. Especially with him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 24, 2016, 06:42:23 PM
I think money talks.. Especially with him

If it was the money he would of signed a new contract way before now, could of signed one and still been the bell*nd that he has been.

He just wants to play at the highest level, unfortunately for himself he has done everything wrong to make that happen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 24, 2016, 06:59:35 PM
If it was the money he would of signed a new contract way before now, could of signed one and still been the bell*nd that he has been.

He just wants to play at the highest level, unfortunately for himself he has done everything wrong to make that happen.

What if we weren't offering him anywhere near what other teams had said to him they would? Imagine we were pitching around 60-70k, what if spurs said they'd give him 100k+? We just don't know the inner details
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 24, 2016, 07:14:13 PM
What if we weren't offering him anywhere near what other teams had said to him they would? Imagine we were pitching around 60-70k, what if spurs said they'd give him 100k+? We just don't know the inner details

no i understand what your saying totally, but the club made it clear they wasn't letting him go... his options were to run his contract down for the same wage or just sign a new one for more money (im sure the club wouldn't offer a new contract without offering more money)... with a buy out clause in it.. win win for both parties, he shows he has talent, someone activates his buy out clause.. problem solved.

But like you said, we don't know the inner details... all we know is what the media want us to think/believe.. hence why there are 226 pages on here about the guy, i just wish it would get resolved so we can either get him back in the team or get another striker.... i fear for the day rondon gets injured (i pray he don't), but if worst case was to happen, were doomed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on December 24, 2016, 07:40:10 PM
One problem with him getting back in the team for us is that we've settled into a pattern of play with just Rondon up top. If he stays fit then Saido is unlikely to get back in....and how does he get match ready to step in for us ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 24, 2016, 07:53:09 PM
Also don't think Saido plays the lone striker role well at all, so would have to change the team shape or have him instead of Chadli. As someone suggested elsewhere, maybe thats why we're looking at a more mobile midfielder so that we can play 442. However every time pulis is questioned he just says he's not at the level of fitness they need. How long does it take a young man to get fit
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on December 24, 2016, 11:23:34 PM
It's probably already been said but this 'he's in a better place and he just needs games' coincides with the transfer window again.

I suspect we'd accept £10m in this window...if we don't sell him now it's either tribunal or new contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 25, 2016, 12:06:35 AM
It's probably already been said but this 'he's in a better place and he just needs games' coincides with the transfer window again.

I suspect we'd accept £10m in this window...if we don't sell him now it's either tribunal or new contract.

It's funny how we trot out those lines and 'hes a great lad' 'resdy to get his head down and kick on' lines, after we've hung our dirty laundry in public saying he's overweight and had to go on a special training programme. That's got to have put off some buyers, especially the amount of time he's not played for because of it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on December 25, 2016, 10:41:04 AM
I appreciate that there was a lot less tension surrounding every game back then, but I doubt Ron Atkinson would have hesitated about playing Rondon, Berahino and Leko in the same team. And Chadli. With a sound keeper, defence and some hard midfielders why not?

Its such a shame, I still believe that Berahino has the potential to be an extremely exciting player for somebody.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BRIAN on December 25, 2016, 12:32:36 PM
I think that Berahino was sent to France not only to get fit but also to get away from the bad influences surrounding him. The people responsible for his decline are no doubt hangers on who like his company and money. A reformed Berahino could still make the grade with us because a return to form could save us many millions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on December 25, 2016, 12:47:30 PM
This lad isn't a kid anymore and if the penny hasn't dropped by now then it never will. Think we should except that he will be at a different club next year either leaving in January or running contract down. For me I wish him well in his future career and hope he fulfills his potential as this would be a major plus for academy in future. The only thing that could sour my opinion of him is that he signs for foreign club and then signs for Prem club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lindenbaggie on December 25, 2016, 03:10:33 PM
Saido could be another Darren Byfield who promised so much at the Villa. As long as we can get about £10M for him, I'd be quite happy as this will keep the Academy going for the next 4-5 years.

For all posters, have a lovely Christmas and New Year.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on December 25, 2016, 03:36:36 PM
I think Saido, is/could be, a very good player, but his mindset and application is totally wrong to become a great player.
Maybe if he went to a "top team" he could realise his ambition, but i detest the way he has treated the club who gave him the opporturtunity to fulfill his dreams.
But i do blame Jeremy Peace and his stingy ways for the position we find ourselves in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on December 25, 2016, 04:11:44 PM
There is nothing that can be said about Saido (good or bad) that hasn't been said 100 times already "Que Sera Sera"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on December 26, 2016, 11:47:53 PM
one way or another we need this saga over asap,
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/864803418?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2016, 11:59:36 PM
one way or another we need this saga over asap,
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/864803418?-11200:789:0

Would be delighted if he went to Everton in January. We get a decent fee as a return on the Academy investment, we get him out of the club so that everyone can move on, he goes to a club which might just manage to get something out of him, and we have money to spend on a replacement.  A win-win all round.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 27, 2016, 12:36:08 AM
Would be delighted if he went to Everton in January. We get a decent fee as a return on the Academy investment, we get him out of the club so that everyone can move on, he goes to a club which might just manage to get something out of him, and we have money to spend on a replacement.  A win-win all round.

But does he want to go to everton?

People are forgetting he's going nowhere unless he also agree's to it and considering the club still want him to sign a new contract... the power is in his hands.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 27, 2016, 03:27:03 AM
But does he want to go to everton?

People are forgetting he's going nowhere unless he also agree's to it and considering the club still want him to sign a new contract... the power is in his hands.

If he doesn't he's a bigger idiot than anyone thought...

Also think you're reading too much into the contract offer, it's purely been made to secure a fee for the waster...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2016, 10:53:04 AM
If he doesn't he's a bigger idiot than anyone thought...

Also think you're reading too much into the contract offer, it's purely been made to secure a fee for the waster...

Totally agree. If he wants a big club then Everton or West Ham are the biggest that he can realistically hope for.  Can't see Spurs coming back in for him but you never know.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 27, 2016, 02:11:54 PM
If he doesn't he's a bigger idiot than anyone thought...

Also think you're reading too much into the contract offer, it's purely been made to secure a fee for the waster...

I agree, anyone with an ounce of common sense would snap at the chance... but it's saido were talking about...

Also, people are just putting 2 and 2 together and getting 10.
The only facts we have is that pulis and the club want to keep him (pulis has openly said that) although we see one weak story from a scrappy writer in the papers and then everyone comes up with 2 stories each as to why and how it's going to happen. 

Everyone claimed he was gone how many transfer windows ago, yet he ain't even playing games and he's still here... any player with any sense would leave for game time regardless of what club comes in for them ( look at the likes of poco/gamboa/anichbe etc) but let's not forget that this is the baggies and saido, anything is possible...even the unexpected.

It's just a bit strange how pulis does his all to try and get him fit and upto scratch when there ain't no certainty we will benefit from it, surely it would be easier to freeze him out completely let him get 'fat', soon as the end of the season comes it's all done and dusted we move on? (He wouldn't be the first academy product we have lost for nothing and he certainly won't be the last)

There's obviously more to it than we are seeing, like any other business with the club.. no one at all really knows what's going on till the minute it's happened.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on December 27, 2016, 08:09:08 PM
Pulis and the club want`s the idiot out what`s they supposed to say we don`t want him here get rid now and watch his value drop to nothing . I know his value has dropped but if they do and say the right things he will hold some value and will be sold as an asset .But in the end its totaly up to Bera if he stays this window or holds out four 6 more month`s of not playing or being involved
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 27, 2016, 08:17:18 PM
Pulis and the club want`s the idiot out what`s they supposed to say we don`t want him here get rid now and watch his value drop to nothing . I know his value has dropped but if they do and say the right things he will hold some value and will be sold as an asset .But in the end its totaly up to Bera if he stays this window or holds out four 6 more month`s of not playing or being involved

Do you have any links with proof that pulis or the club want him gone? Or is it just another one of your crazy opinions with completely no evidence whatsoever to back it up...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on December 27, 2016, 10:10:14 PM
just wait and see ;D ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 28, 2016, 12:10:04 AM
just wait and see ;D ;D

was told that about 2 transfer windows ago  ::)

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on December 28, 2016, 12:10:22 AM
just wait and see ;D ;D
I have to back you up fella. He's completely despised on many levels within the club and I assure everyone that the best offer we get....we'll take. His enthusiasm/work rate/dedication/application and desire has left all members of the Albion coaching staff frustrated and bitter to the core.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2016, 10:11:58 AM
I agree, anyone with an ounce of common sense would snap at the chance... but it's saido were talking about...

Also, people are just putting 2 and 2 together and getting 10.
The only facts we have is that pulis and the club want to keep him (pulis has openly said that) although we see one weak story from a scrappy writer in the papers and then everyone comes up with 2 stories each as to why and how it's going to happen. 

Everyone claimed he was gone how many transfer windows ago, yet he ain't even playing games and he's still here... any player with any sense would leave for game time regardless of what club comes in for them ( look at the likes of poco/gamboa/anichbe etc) but let's not forget that this is the baggies and saido, anything is possible...even the unexpected.

It's just a bit strange how pulis does his all to try and get him fit and upto scratch when there ain't no certainty we will benefit from it, surely it would be easier to freeze him out completely let him get 'fat', soon as the end of the season comes it's all done and dusted we move on? (He wouldn't be the first academy product we have lost for nothing and he certainly won't be the last)

There's obviously more to it than we are seeing, like any other business with the club.. no one at all really knows what's going on till the minute it's happened.
Pulis tried to get rid in his first transfer window. If he truly wanted him to be in the first team he would be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2016, 11:29:38 AM
christ is he still here :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on December 28, 2016, 11:30:38 AM
christ is he still here :(

who?  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on December 28, 2016, 11:49:00 AM
Totally agree. If he wants a big club then Everton or West Ham are the biggest that he can realistically hope for.  Can't see Spurs coming back in for him but you never know.
and wham are a big club?their only attraction is the bright city lights of that london shitehole,why anyone wants to live there is beyond me.a disaster in waiting given todays political climate and anyhow they no bigger than us so its a sidestep for him or even a downstep
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2016, 12:12:09 PM
who?  ;)


jesus christ :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 28, 2016, 12:12:45 PM
Pulis tried to get rid in his first transfer window. If he truly wanted him to be in the first team he would be.

If he truly wanted him gone he would be too
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 28, 2016, 12:22:38 PM
If he truly wanted him gone he would be too

maybe that's what will happen now. I think Berahino's "never going to play for Peace" comment really pee'd off Peace to the point where he may well have decided that if Berahino isn't going to play for him he won't play for anyone else.

Now we have a new owner we may see the back of Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 28, 2016, 12:28:03 PM
maybe that's what will happen now. I think Berahino's "never going to play for Peace" comment really pee'd off Peace to the point where he may well have decided that if Berahino isn't going to play for him he won't play for anyone else.

Now we have a new owner we may see the back of Berahino.

You may well be correct, I guess only time will tell...

Either way it needs to get sorted sooner rather than later so we can get another striker in... we're too reliant on rondon atm it only takes one knock and we're screwed when we have 1 striker who ain't getting a look in and another one who cant score.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 28, 2016, 12:31:38 PM
You may well be correct, I guess only time will tell...

Either way it needs to get sorted sooner rather than later so we can get another striker in... we're too reliant on rondon atm it only takes one knock and we're screwed when we have 1 striker who ain't getting a look in and another one who cant score.

Agreed Adamw, we really do need to get another striker in, someone with quality too not just another back up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2016, 12:51:12 PM
what difference is another striker going to make the way tone plays his football, super sub maybe
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 28, 2016, 01:05:02 PM
what difference is another striker going to make the way tone plays his football, super sub maybe

We need another striker even if it's just a back up incase rondon gets injured... saido ain't getting game time and Robson kanu ain't shown he can score goals for us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2016, 01:11:53 PM
We need another striker even if it's just a back up incase rondon gets injured... saido ain't getting game time and Robson kanu ain't shown he can score goals for us


he probably aint managed an hours football yet
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 28, 2016, 01:21:28 PM

he probably aint managed an hours football yet

His goalscoring record overall speaks volumes, all the times rondon has looked tired and fatigued and pulis still starts him over Robson kanu... tells us everything we need to know

But until this saido situation is sorted, I can't see us going in for another striker
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: moggie on December 28, 2016, 03:13:29 PM
I still think Berahino will sign for a European football club to make the most money for him and his agent. I think he would like the Albion to be short changed as well. I hope I'm wrong!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2016, 05:03:00 PM
If he truly wanted him gone he would be too
A little thing called a contract says differently. I'm not sure that Pulis has the authority to sack him. (And the bomb squad shows you can't get rid of people who don't want to go)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2016, 05:30:46 PM
Newcastle rumoured to be interested. Everton clearly are, Stoke no doubt as well, and it will be a surprise if West Ham aren't. Maybe even Southampton as well.

I think we'll get £10m. Can't see Berahino turning all of them down. We'll probably give an incentive to go to one of them, i.e. he keeps 50% of any fee over £8m which is what we'd probably get at tribunal if he stays in England.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 28, 2016, 06:32:30 PM
A little thing called a contract says differently. I'm not sure that Pulis has the authority to sack him. (And the bomb squad shows you can't get rid of people who don't want to go)

But by listening to peoples stories and theories on here its;

1) a player that dont want to be here at all
2) clubs were interested
3) pulis tried his best to get rid (according to VVVAlbion)

If that was the case, he wouldn't be here right now.

Im not pulis' biggest fan (but i will give him credit where its due) - and he has done way more than he needs to, to try and get saido back fit and into the team.
Why send him to france? - that comes at a cost... why are we paying to get someone fit when potentially we could not get a penny back from it in the end
Why did pulis put him with the 'kids'? - Don't forget this is the immature/disruptive/troublemaking/stuck up saido were talking about... why would you risk that around the young positive lads?

People want saido far away from this club as possible.. and i can see where people are coming from, he has potential and the club gave him his chance... in my eyes he's blew it more than once

But because that's what most fans want to happen, people will refuse to face the facts that he is still a West Bromwich Albion player and come the end of the season he could potentially sign a new contract.  (After all, the club don't want him to leave without a fee and his ambition is to play for a top club - like it or not it's a possibility)

Me personally, I don't believe he can make up for all he's said and done and I think the best option for everyone would be for him to be gone asap... but im also wise enough to realise that is not the only option.

After all.. this is the baggies.. full of suprises  :-[
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2016, 07:19:55 PM
But by listening to peoples stories and theories on here its;

1) a player that dont want to be here at all
2) clubs were interested
3) pulis tried his best to get rid (according to VVVAlbion)

If that was the case, he wouldn't be here right now.

Im not pulis' biggest fan (but i will give him credit where its due) - and he has done way more than he needs to, to try and get saido back fit and into the team.
Why send him to france? - that comes at a cost... why are we paying to get someone fit when potentially we could not get a penny back from it in the end
Why did pulis put him with the 'kids'? - Don't forget this is the immature/disruptive/troublemaking/stuck up saido were talking about... why would you risk that around the young positive lads?

People want saido far away from this club as possible.. and i can see where people are coming from, he has potential and the club gave him his chance... in my eyes he's blew it more than once

But because that's what most fans want to happen, people will refuse to face the facts that he is still a West Bromwich Albion player and come the end of the season he could potentially sign a new contract.  (After all, the club don't want him to leave without a fee and his ambition is to play for a top club - like it or not it's a possibility)

Me personally, I don't believe he can make up for all he's said and done and I think the best option for everyone would be for him to be gone asap... but im also wise enough to realise that is not the only option.

After all.. this is the baggies.. full of suprises  :-[
If you're going to quote me, quote me correctly. You've added "tried his best".

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/602369/Tottenham-Transfer-News-Tony-Pulis-furious-Saido-Berahino/amp

Maybe the press were making it up? (Quite possibly)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 28, 2016, 07:53:15 PM
If you're going to quote me, quote me correctly. You've added "tried his best".

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/602369/Tottenham-Transfer-News-Tony-Pulis-furious-Saido-Berahino/amp

Maybe the press were making it up? (Quite possibly)

TONY PULIS is reportedly 'furious' West Brom failed to sell Saido Berahino before then end of the summer transfer window.

There is the key word!

I could find about 3 different links of pulis saying saido is doing great and he wants him back in the first team..

Like i say, time will tell as no one really knows whats going on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: orville on December 29, 2016, 12:49:54 PM
Ligue 1 leaders Nice are reportedly in talks with West Brom striker Saido Berahino (ESPN)

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/rumour-mill-pulisic-talks-liverpool-chelsea-want-34m-striker
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2016, 06:40:24 PM
Ligue 1 leaders Nice are reportedly in talks with West Brom striker Saido Berahino (ESPN)

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/rumour-mill-pulisic-talks-liverpool-chelsea-want-34m-striker
maybe there was more to the fat camp visit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2016, 10:19:18 AM
Isn't Nice where Balotelli is? They'd get on great!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on December 30, 2016, 02:23:35 PM
Tony Pulis says Saido Berahino is not ready to be involved with West Brom's first-team as the striker is struggling with physical and mental aspects of his game. Berahino has not played since September and has not scored in his last 14 games in all competitions for West Brom, a drought stretching back to February. The 23-year-old recently returned to the club after being sent to a conditioning camp in France to help him lose weight and regain fitness.

This is a farcical and disgraceful situation and club coaching staff must shoulder some blame. It seems to me that Pulis doesn't want to play him before the end of the transfer window in case Berahino gets injured. We must be the laughing stock of the rest of the league.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on December 30, 2016, 02:38:13 PM
He was out on boxing day was pretty melow, when asked 'why are you out, shouldn't you be getting fit' he responded with 'what's the point when you know you're never going to be picked anyway'... take that as you will
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on December 30, 2016, 05:24:19 PM
He was out on boxing day was pretty melow, when asked 'why are you out shouldn't you be getting fit' he responded with 'what's the point when you know you're never going to be picked anyway'... take that as you will

That just sums up Berahino's pathetic attitude. What about getting fit for a move away or if he is to stay then say that he is going to prove Pulis wrong and get back in the first team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on December 30, 2016, 05:55:59 PM
He was out on boxing day was pretty melow, when asked 'why are you out, shouldn't you be getting fit' he responded with 'what's the point when you know you're never going to be picked anyway'... take that as you will
Is this from a good source ? Strikes me as a question that a player would not be too happy to be asked.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 30, 2016, 06:29:16 PM
Everton apparently inquiring about him..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on December 30, 2016, 06:32:40 PM
So the Saido bandwagon roll`s on was he out Boxing Day or wasn`t he who cares just want the waster out of our club hopefully by the end of this month.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 30, 2016, 06:45:54 PM
Isn't Nice where Balotelli is? They'd get on great!

Yep, he's out of contact this summer also apparently
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 30, 2016, 06:50:19 PM
Here's the full story with Pulis' quotes on Saido:

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10711867/saido-berahino-not-close-to-west-brom-recall-says-tony-pulis

Saido Berahino not close to West Brom recall says Tony Pulis.

Tony Pulis says Saido Berahino is not ready to be involved with West Brom's first-team as the striker is struggling with physical and mental aspects of his game.

Berahino has not played since September and has not scored in his last 14 games in all competitions for West Brom, a drought stretching back to February.

The 23-year-old recently returned to the club after being sent to a conditioning camp in France to help him lose weight and regain fitness.

But Pulis said he would not be involved against Southampton on Saturday and offered no timetable for a route back into his plans.

"Saido's getting on with his job. We need to get games into him. He is nowhere near ready we think to start a game of football so it's just about him getting games and that is what we are trying to do," Pulis said.

Pulis was then asked if it was a mental or physical issue affecting Berahino and he added: "It's both. He's trained every day and it's now just about getting him some games."

His continued absence has led to renewed talk of a move away from the club in January, with Berahino's future having been a hot topic in the last three transfer windows.

"We'll wait and see (if there is a possibility of him leaving in the January window). Every window has brought speculation and we have another four or five weeks to get through that," Pulis added.

Pulis confirmed last week that West Brom made a bid to sign Morgan Schneiderlin from Manchester United, who are willing to let the France midfielder leave for the right price.

But he said there was no further update on a move for the former Southampton man and added that there were other transfer priorities to be dealt with as well.

"Morgan is just one of two or three we're looking at. The most important thing is that you do your business with other clubs. It's respectful to other clubs and then you move on from there," Pulis said.


Says he's 'nowhere near' ready to start for us, but suggests he'll be trying to get him game time in the near future.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2016, 07:07:18 PM
Here's the full story with Pulis' quotes on Saido:

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10711867/saido-berahino-not-close-to-west-brom-recall-says-tony-pulis

Saido Berahino not close to West Brom recall says Tony Pulis.

Tony Pulis says Saido Berahino is not ready to be involved with West Brom's first-team as the striker is struggling with physical and mental aspects of his game.

Berahino has not played since September and has not scored in his last 14 games in all competitions for West Brom, a drought stretching back to February.

The 23-year-old recently returned to the club after being sent to a conditioning camp in France to help him lose weight and regain fitness.

But Pulis said he would not be involved against Southampton on Saturday and offered no timetable for a route back into his plans.

"Saido's getting on with his job. We need to get games into him. He is nowhere near ready we think to start a game of football so it's just about him getting games and that is what we are trying to do," Pulis said.

Pulis was then asked if it was a mental or physical issue affecting Berahino and he added: "It's both. He's trained every day and it's now just about getting him some games."

His continued absence has led to renewed talk of a move away from the club in January, with Berahino's future having been a hot topic in the last three transfer windows.

"We'll wait and see (if there is a possibility of him leaving in the January window). Every window has brought speculation and we have another four or five weeks to get through that," Pulis added.

Pulis confirmed last week that West Brom made a bid to sign Morgan Schneiderlin from Manchester United, who are willing to let the France midfielder leave for the right price.

But he said there was no further update on a move for the former Southampton man and added that there were other transfer priorities to be dealt with as well.

"Morgan is just one of two or three we're looking at. The most important thing is that you do your business with other clubs. It's respectful to other clubs and then you move on from there," Pulis said.


Says he's 'nowhere near' ready to start for us, but suggests he'll be trying to get him game time in the near future.

Under 23s. Practice matches etc.

Means he nowhere near to starting a PL match.  That said I'd be tempted to pick him next week in the Derby game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 30, 2016, 07:10:13 PM
Under 23s. Practice matches etc.

Means he nowhere near to starting a PL match.  That said I'd be tempted to pick him next week in the Derby game.

Would seem the sensible choice if he wanted to give him game time. Realistically it'll be either him or Rondon, can't see him starting HRK
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 30, 2016, 07:17:26 PM
Under 23s. Practice matches etc.

Means he nowhere near to starting a PL match.  That said I'd be tempted to pick him next week in the Derby game.
Picking him if he is mentally and physically not ready would surely be tantamount to admitting that we aren't taking the FA cup seriously. Why do you say that Jacko?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 30, 2016, 07:26:03 PM
Picking him if he is mentally and physically not ready would surely be tantamount to admitting that we aren't taking the FA cup seriously. Why do you say that Jacko?

It could be that he's not ready for a premier league-level game, but fine to play against opponents from a lower division, in a cup match that may not have the same intensity of the premier league. Pulis mentioned twice that he needs games, so probably more valuable playing him in something competitive than in the reserves etc. Personally I don't think Pulis will be playing him again any time soon, and the quotes are just for the press and to let everyone know why he hasn't been playing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2016, 07:30:42 PM
Picking him if he is mentally and physically not ready would surely be tantamount to admitting that we aren't taking the FA cup seriously. Why do you say that Jacko?

Saido has proven to be something of a flat track bully. He's extremely good against defenders a level or 3 down from him. Would give us some indication of his fitness and mindset. Can't see starting a one time 25 million striker as not taking it seriously.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 30, 2016, 07:40:07 PM
It could be that he's not ready for a premier league-level game, but fine to play against opponents from a lower division, in a cup match that may not have the same intensity of the premier league. Pulis mentioned twice that he needs games, so probably more valuable playing him in something competitive than in the reserves etc. Personally I don't think Pulis will be playing him again any time soon, and the quotes are just for the press and to let everyone know why he hasn't been playing.
If we go into the game thinking that way, we will lose. I think Derby will be extremely intense and they are a very decent side. If that is an argument for playing Saido, there are half a dozen others who would benefit from a game more than him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 30, 2016, 07:47:35 PM
Saido has proven to be something of a flat track bully. He's extremely good against defenders a level or 3 down from him. Would give us some indication of his fitness and mindset. Can't see starting a one time 25 million striker as not taking it seriously.
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Reading his comments, it seems that Pulis is well aware of his fitness and mindset and is pretty much of the opinion that both are rubbish. Can't see him picking Saido just to prove it to us fans. Will be surprised if he is on the bench (if he is, I think it is only as a con to potential suitors to suggest that he is nearly ready), and absolutely astonished if he is in the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 30, 2016, 07:49:24 PM
If we go into the game thinking that way, we will lose. I think Derby will be extremely intense and they are a very decent side. If that is an argument for playing Saido, there are half a dozen others who would benefit from a game more than him

And Pulis may well rotate the squad to allow those half a dozen to get some game time too, given the amount of fixtures we're playing over the Christmas and new year period.

They may well be intense, but realistically we should be able to more than match them. And I doubt it will be as intense as a league game at all. They'll be focusing more on their league campaign and trying to get into the prem given their current position and it wouldn't surprise me if they rotate their team too.

The point that was being made was that it's clear Saido needs game time, so Pulis may think about using him against Derby as a baseline to see where he is.

Like I said though I personally doubt he'll play berahino again for a long time (if he does at all), and think his comments are just to give an excuse to why he isn't being played. However we'll then be relying on Rondon for 90 mins in a cup game or Kanu.

As an aside, would you see it as not taking the cup seriously if we started with Robson-Kanu instead of Rondon?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 30, 2016, 07:54:08 PM
And Pulis may well rotate the squad to allow those half a dozen to get some game time too, given the amount of fixtures we're playing over the Christmas and new year period.

They may well be intense, but realistically we should be able to more than match them. And I doubt it will be as intense as a league game at all. They'll be focusing more on their league campaign and trying to get into the prem given their current position and it wouldn't surprise me if they rotate their team too.

The point that was being made was that it's clear Saido needs game time, so Pulis may think about using him against Derby as a baseline to see where he is.

Like I said though I personally doubt he'll play berahino again for a long time (if he does at all), and think his comments are just to give an excuse to why he isn't being played. However we'll then be relying on Rondon for 90 mins in a cup game or Kanu.

As an aside, would you see it as not taking the cup seriously if we started with Robson-Kanu instead of Rondon?
yes, a bit, but i understand what you are saying about rotation. At least HRK is part of the first team squad, so I could accept and understand that decision more than if Saido was picked.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 30, 2016, 08:22:54 PM
yes, a bit, but i understand what you are saying about rotation. At least HRK is part of the first team squad, so I could accept and understand that decision more than if Saido was picked.

But saido has proved he can score goals for us... Robson kanu hasn't...

Robson kanu looked decent for Wales but you have to consider the players he has around him helping to create chances etc.

It could also be a way of saying to saido, he's your chance, get out there prove yourself and show teams why you would be worth taking a gamble on signing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 30, 2016, 08:26:23 PM
Isn't Nice where Balotelli is? They'd get on great!

Wouldn't like to invite the pair of them to your house party though, be in the news the next day for having fires in your house and driving off drunk  ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 30, 2016, 08:39:31 PM
yes, a bit, but i understand what you are saying about rotation. At least HRK is part of the first team squad, so I could accept and understand that decision more than if Saido was picked.

Totally understand. Was playing devil's advocate. Agree that HRK probably deserves the place more due to being around the first team this season, but id argue that Saido is still the better player, and would see it as not taking the cup as seriously more if we started HRK than Saido to be honest
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2016, 08:40:44 PM
Wouldn't like to invite the pair of them to your house party though, be in the news the next day for having fires in your house and driving off drunk  ???

A party is about the only place I would want Berahino. He'd be a right laugh. There is a player in Balotelli though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2016, 08:44:42 PM
Totally understand. Was playing devil's advocate. Agree that HRK probably deserves the place more due to being around the first team this season, but id argue that Saido is still the better player, and would see it as not taking the cup as seriously more if we started HRK than Saido to be honest

I can see us going 442 within HRK and Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 30, 2016, 08:47:22 PM
Everton have enquired about berahino apparently.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4067208/amp/Everton-enquire-West-Brom-striker-Saido-Berahino-manager-Ronald-Koeman-eyes-firepower.html

Reading the story, it also mentions a few overseas clubs such as Inter and Roma

Aware it's the daily mail, but a few other online news agencies reporting it too
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 30, 2016, 08:56:47 PM
I can see us going 442 within HRK and Saido.

If I'm honest I can't see him starting Rondon, so that could well be the case. However I worry we'll see HRK up top by himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on December 30, 2016, 09:13:22 PM
Don`t think you`ll see Berahino in an Albion shirt again and hope not.I believe all the huhah about France was  a ruse to keep him away from the Hawthorns.we have to have him around while the transfer deadline approaches so were seen to be doing the right thing . Pulis wants him gone so do almost everyone at the Hawthorn`s. He won`t sign another contract and could leave this window or he will see out his contract and leave on his terms but mark my words he will leave soon.
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 30, 2016, 09:20:05 PM
Don`t think you`ll see Berahino in an Albion shirt again and hope not.I believe all the huhah about France was  a ruse to keep him away from the Hawthorns.we have to have him around while the transfer deadline approaches so were seen to be doing the right thing . Pulis wants him gone so do almost everyone at the Hawthorn`s. He won`t sign another contract and could leave this window or he will see out his contract and leave on his terms but mark my words he will leave soon.

I think that's pretty obvious, and not really what we were debating. He's out of contract in the summer and hasn't signed a new one
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 30, 2016, 09:33:43 PM
But saido has proved he can score goals for us... Robson kanu hasn't...

Robson kanu looked decent for Wales but you have to consider the players he has around him helping to create chances etc.

It could also be a way of saying to saido, he's your chance, get out there prove yourself and show teams why you would be worth taking a gamble on signing.
Good grief Adam, how many chances to prove himself has he had? People have said exactly the same thing for at least the last 2 transfer windows. It's over between us and Saido, there is no going back, no new Saido, anything else is a dream
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 30, 2016, 09:41:21 PM
Totally understand. Was playing devil's advocate. Agree that HRK probably deserves the place more due to being around the first team this season, but id argue that Saido is still the better player, and would see it as not taking the cup as seriously more if we started HRK than Saido to be honest
You are probably right, but if I was in HRK's shoes and Berahino was picked in a cup game over me I would be thinking what the hell did you sign me for if I'm not even going to be picked over someone with a stinking attitude who hasn't even been part of the squad for quite a while. In this instance I think squad morale may be more important
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on December 30, 2016, 10:09:39 PM
He was out on boxing day was pretty melow, when asked 'why are you out, shouldn't you be getting fit' he responded with 'what's the point when you know you're never going to be picked anyway'... take that as you will

Good.Hope he is as drunk of with the club as we are with him
Waste of space who has shown total disrespect for the club and fans.Cant understand why some still defend him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on December 30, 2016, 10:43:51 PM
I know what your debating but don`t know why HKR deserves his chance when it`s given him Beras##t deserves nothing for 18 months now he hasn`t even tried to become part of the squad and players who have been out with a serious injury get match fit quicker than that idiot If we rest players we should use the youngsters and certainly not that waste of space.This will be my last post on him until he`s gone had enough of him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2016, 10:47:10 PM
lots of media outlets reporting he's been offered another new lucrative contract.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/865293558?-11200:789:0
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/865293399?-11200:789:0
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/865293348?-11200:789:0
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/865293188?-11200:789:0
so the saga rumbles on and on and on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on December 30, 2016, 10:51:47 PM
lots of media outlets reporting he's been offered another new lucrative contract.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/865293558?-11200:789:0
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/865293399?-11200:789:0
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/865293348?-11200:789:0
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/865293188?-11200:789:0
so the saga rumbles on and on and on.
disgusting if this is true been a joke for nearly 2 years..we shud be kicking him out not trying to keep him...that will be me done if he signs
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 30, 2016, 10:54:46 PM
I know what your debating but don`t know why HKR deserves his chance when it`s given him Beras##t deserves nothing for 18 months now he hasn`t even tried to become part of the squad and players who have been out with a serious injury get match fit quicker than that idiot If we rest players we should use the youngsters and certainly not that waste of space.This will be my last post on him until he`s gone had enough of him

You say you don't believe what pulis says about him and you KNOW for a fact he's going regardless what pulis says..... so why is that you believe he's not fit? Just because pulis says so... when you don't believe all the positive he says about him?

Saido has been having extra training etc and blasted it over the Internet himself (but it's a positive so the media won't promote it and the majority of this forum won't speak about it)

Not saying he's changed, not saying he's going to be staying longer than this season either.... but what I am saying is all you people that claim to know what's going on and know when he's leaving etc... don't REALLY have a clue, there's more to it than we are led to believe...

I have a strong feeling he will be gone some point this window or the end of the season but I don't for one minute believe he ain't being played for fitness reasons, maybe it's like someone mentioned about not wanting him to pick up a knock for the next 'buyer', who knows 

Either saido has photoshopped all his pics, edited all his vids... or pulis is lying to the fans
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on December 30, 2016, 10:58:36 PM
This from the Mirror

West Brom trying to TRIPLE Saido Berahino's salary even though unfit striker has not scored all season
The striker last played for the first-team in September but remains a target for Stoke and others and is set to be out of contract in the summer

BYJAMES NURSEY
22:30, 30 DEC 2016UPDATED20:25, 30 DEC 2016
SPORT


West Brom have made Saido Berahino a third new “fantastic” contract offer to triple his salary to £60,000-a-week, despite the striker still being unfit.

Temperamental Berahino has failed to net this term and not played since September after boss Tony Pulis criticised his form and fitness.

The starlet, 23, has not been the same since the Baggies turned down multiple bids from Spurs in August 2015 after he scored 20 goals the previous season.

But he still has Premier League rivals such as Stoke interested in his signature despite his lack of game time.

Berahino is set to be out of contract this summer and will be able to leave his boyhood club for just compensation. But Pulis and Albion have not given up hope of tying him down long-term despite the player being high maintenance.

West Brom manager Tony Pulis and Saido Berahino before the match
Pulis called the offer "fantastic" and would also throw in a buy-out clause (Photo: Action Images via Reuters)
Pulis says he is even willing to give Berahino a buy-out clause to entice him to sign on.

Ahead of the New Year's Eve trip to Southampton, Pulis revealed: “The offer is there. It’s a fantastic offer. We’ve made it hoping the lad will sign. It’s up to him and his people to come back and negotiate.

“This is the third offer we have made, we’ll see what happens. We’re hoping they come back and we get the deal done and he gets his mind back on playing football. He’s a talented player, it shows how talented he is because the club are still making offers now.

“I said four windows ago if I was Saido I would have signed — you could have a buy-out clause in the contract if someone came in and offered the money. All that stuff has been put to him and his representatives.

“We’ll see what happens but the great thing about this is it will go either way. If we don’t sign him his contract runs out.”

But despite Albion’s desire to keep Berahino, Pulis admits the forward is still some way from being fit enough for a first team recall.

He added: “The most important thing is when he comes back he’s fit – we don’t want him coming back and getting injured again.”


It has gone beyond madness at this rate he will be paid more for not to playing football than most of the regular starters in the current squad.

I don't care what Pulis says tactically he don't fit even if he was fit and firing which is isn't and hasn't been for 18 months. I have no clue as to what is going on here one contract offer is enough to protect our position in a tribunal this runs the risk of being so good he might actually sign the bloody thing just for the craic. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2016, 11:03:06 PM
in the brum mail pulis says if we don't sign him his contract runs out, which may suggest the club wont sell him in January. at the moment I think  saido holds all the cards. he has a contract offer on the table, he knows he can walk away in 6 months so the club have a timescale to do the deal. saido can sit and wait and the further it gets to the end of January the clearer it will become.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 30, 2016, 11:07:43 PM
in the brum mail pulis says if we don't sign him his contract runs out, which may suggest the club wont sell him in January. at the moment I think  saido holds all the cards. he has a contract offer on the table, he knows he can walk away in 6 months so the club have a timescale to do the deal. saido can sit and wait and the further it gets to the end of January the clearer it will become.

And the more the club will do to try persuade just so they don't lose out on a 'once rated £25m' player.

This is what people are failing to realise, the club want to keep him here regardless of what us fans want.. there not going to leave him out to dry just because Joe bloggs hates him and wants him gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on December 30, 2016, 11:17:50 PM
And the more the club will do to try persuade just so they don't lose out on a 'once rated £25m' player.

This is what people are failing to realise, the club want to keep him here regardless of what us fans want.. there not going to leave him out to dry just because Joe bloggs hates him and wants him gone.
To make this sort of offer there must be confidence that he's going to prove worth it....otherwise the club will just lose out on even more money in the form of his new wages. This saga has gone on for so long that you can hardly blame anyone for doubting he's going to hit the heights with us again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on December 30, 2016, 11:24:30 PM
New contract offer just before the window opens. Intriguing timing. Could be a double edged sword, one side it means he can't go for free to a foreign side and we don't lose out. Or it's to start a bidding war early in the window for him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 30, 2016, 11:24:49 PM
And the more the club will do to try persuade just so they don't lose out on a 'once rated £25m' player.

This is what people are failing to realise, the club want to keep him here regardless of what us fans want.. there not going to leave him out to dry just because Joe bloggs hates him and wants him gone.

The club has already lost out. He was never actually worth £25 million though it was all just classic tabloid hype.
Hence why the only original offers we ever had on the table was from Spurs paid in crazy small instalments.

Can the club convince him to sign a new contract to hope that a desperate chairman punts around £10 million on him in Jan? Maybe, but looking unlikely.

Will be quite a weird one for him. He knows he has 0% chance of a future here/absolutely nobody at the club wants him here and singing a new contract prevents him from walking in the summer if & when nobody wants to buy him in January.

On the other hand he will get paid more and get a signing on bonus...


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 30, 2016, 11:27:29 PM
Didn't see that new contract offer coming, however i'm sure it's been made purely to increase our chances of getting a fee for him if he signs it, or a bigger tribunal amount if he doesn't.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on December 30, 2016, 11:28:26 PM
New contract offer just before the window opens. Intriguing timing. Could be a double edged sword, one side it means he can't go for free to a foreign side and we don't lose out. Or it's to start a bidding war early in the window for him

Not really a double edged sword. Perhaps I should've side "two sides to the coin." I'm getting my sayings mixed up.

I said to my dad a few weeks ago that the best thing Saido can do is get fit, prove his worth, start scoring again and sign a new deal and in a years time he'll be worth at least 25 million again. It's probably not going to happen though sadly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 30, 2016, 11:30:31 PM
Saido's tactics here are clear. 

He's lining up potential deals abroad. He's calling the club's bluff as they will be in no doubt that a move abroad is a very real possibility, meaning that we will get peanuts if he signs for a foreign club in the summer.

Why would he do that?  Because it puts him in the driving seat re his choice of English club in this winter.  He can ensure that he chooses which of the interested English clubs to join, rather than the one which this club would prefer him to join, being the one which offers the biggest transfer fee.  If Stoke offer £10m and Spurs only offer £5m, then he can say "let me join Spurs or I'm off to France or Italy in the summer".  He's now holding all the aces.

If none of the English clubs that he fancies make an offer for him, he can sign the new contract late on 31st January and pick up a nice juicy signing-on fee.  I don't believe for one moment that he wants to go abroad.  It's just leverage, but it enables him to call the shots.

The big risk for the club is that late on the final day of the transfer window we may still not know whether he is staying or going, and whether we need to sign a striker to replace him.  For that reason I sincerely hope that we've placed a deadline on him signing the new contract, otherwise we could end up with him not signing, and with no replacement striker having been signed.

As usual, this one could well go right to the wire.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 30, 2016, 11:32:09 PM
Can only imagine we've put some form of leaving bonus in the contract, that says if we sell him for x amount he gets x amount. Otherwise what is in it for him for signing it? As others have said he's probably got no future here and has wanted to run his contract down since last summer, so why would he extend it and stay with us for even longer. As mentioned above this will be all in the clubs favour and i'll be very surprised if he signs a new deal.
Saido's tactics here are clear. 

He's lining up potential deals abroad. He's calling the club's bluff as they will be in no doubt that a move abroad is a very real possibility, meaning that we will get peanuts if he signs for a foreign club in the summer.

Why would he do that?  Because it puts him in the driving seat re his choice of English club in this winter.  He can ensure that he chooses which of the interested English clubs to join, rather than the one which this club would prefer him to join, being the one which offers the biggest transfer fee.  If Stoke offer £10m and Spurs only offer £5m, then he can say "let me join Spurs or I'm off to France or Italy in the summer".  He's now holding all the aces.

If none of the English clubs that he fancies make an offer for him, he can sign the new contract late on 31st January and pick up a nice juicy signing-on fee.  I don't believe for one moment that he wants to go abroad.  It's just leverage, but it enables him to call the shots.

The big risk for the club is that late on the final day of the transfer window we may still not know whether he is staying or going, and whether we need to sign a striker to replace him.  For that reason I sincerely hope that we've placed a deadline on him signing the new contract, otherwise we could end up with him not signing, and with no replacement striker having been signed.

As usual, this one could well go right to the wire.

Also I'd hope the club has realised/decided by now whether we are actually going to use him or not and has someone lined up as a replacement during this window. Let's be honest he's been in the squad since the summer and we all know he's not going to be used for match days, leaving us with 2 striking options. A replacement should be signed regardless of whether he signs the deal or not, as I don't realistically see him having a future here at all
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 30, 2016, 11:41:53 PM
Can only imagine we've put some form of leaving bonus in the contract, that says if we sell him for x amount he gets x amount. Otherwise what is in it for him for signing it? As others have said he's probably got no future here and has wanted to run his contract down since last summer, so why would he extend it and stay with us for even longer. As mentioned above this will be all in the clubs favour and i'll be very surprised if he signs a new deal.
Also I'd hope the club has realised/decided by now whether we are actually going to use him or not and has someone lined up as a replacement during this window. Let's be honest he's been in the squad since the summer and we all know he's not going to be used for match days, leaving us with 2 striking options. A replacement should be signed regardless of whether he signs the deal or not, as I don't realistically see him having a future here at all

You are right that we need to sign a striker regardless.   The real question is whether we need to sign one striker or two. Rondon, HRK and SB would still leave us one light.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2016, 11:43:20 PM
has the club ever shown any indication they want rid of him? we've supposedly turned down offers and now offered improved terms, so if he's wanted at the club why was such a valuable asset allowed to get unfit and overweight. don't players train daily and get weighed regularly and have dieticians at hand? you don't just turn into a slob overnight its taken me 20 years to get fat and I've sustained it for another 20. ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 30, 2016, 11:50:56 PM
has the club ever shown any indication they want rid of him? we've supposedly turned down offers and now offered improved terms, so if he's wanted at the club why was such a valuable asset allowed to get unfit and overweight. don't players train daily and get weighed regularly and have dieticians at hand? you don't just turn into a slob overnight its taken me 20 years to get fat and I've sustained it for another 20. ;)

I suppose looking at it from that point of view, you could come to the conclusion that we are trying to put potential bidders off of Saido by saying he's not fit, not match ready etc. But not sure what we would gain from that when he walks away as a free agent and the end of the season, unless it's to force him into signing a new deal, which he then knuckles down and scores loads, then we sell him for loads of money... I've had too much to drink!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on December 31, 2016, 12:06:20 AM
overated cant head a ball ,not physical enough,,useless as a wide player championship level at best and where does he fit in in a pulis first 11?he doesnt get rid,2016 deadwood
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on December 31, 2016, 12:06:28 AM
I suppose looking at it from that point of view, you could come to the conclusion that we are trying to put potential bidders off of Saido by saying he's not fit, not match ready etc. But not sure what we would gain from that when he walks away as a free agent and the end of the season, unless it's to force him into signing a new deal, which he then knuckles down and scores loads, then we sell him for loads of money... I've had too much to drink!
however it pans out I think Saido will be quids in, makes me rather bitter not jealous that he could earn in one week what the average man earns in three years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 31, 2016, 12:15:35 AM
I just want him gone.

Sooner the better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 31, 2016, 12:28:03 AM
however it pans out I think Saido will be quids in, makes me rather bitter not jealous that he could earn in one week what the average man earns in three years.

Yep it's crazy how he can still hold all the cards after all that's happened. I pity the club he signs for if he continues in this vein. If a normal worker did nothing for 6/12/18 months and came in not fit to work everyday he'd be sacked, his contract ripped up and any compensation owed paid back to the employer. He manages to get a move to another club on more money, or stay here and be offered more money. Makes me sick!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 31, 2016, 12:44:09 AM
Hopefully he turns it down again. If there is a £15m buyout clause, no one is going to be paying that any time soon and the thought of him earning around £60k a week from us frankly makes me sick to my stomach. Doesn't deserve £60 a week let alone that for his stinking attitude.

Get him gone
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on December 31, 2016, 12:45:20 AM
The club have allegedly offered him improved terms in conjunction with a sell on clause.

If he signs he signs, if he doesn't he doesn't.

When players go to tribunal (which will happen if he stays in the UK), part of the compensation structure is based on how highly the club are seen to value the player and his services in terms of wages offered.

Whether they actually want him to sign or not (or whether he agrees to sign on the dotted line), by offering escalating deals the club are expressing an ongoing interest in the retention of his services.

As for comments such as Championship level player at best, do me a favour..... utter cobblers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 31, 2016, 01:19:44 AM
You say you don't believe what pulis says about him and you KNOW for a fact he's going regardless what pulis says..... so why is that you believe he's not fit? Just because pulis says so... when you don't believe all the positive he says about him?

Saido has been having extra training etc and blasted it over the Internet himself (but it's a positive so the media won't promote it and the majority of this forum won't speak about it)

Not saying he's changed, not saying he's going to be staying longer than this season either.... but what I am saying is all you people that claim to know what's going on and know when he's leaving etc... don't REALLY have a clue, there's more to it than we are led to believe...

I have a strong feeling he will be gone some point this window or the end of the season but I don't for one minute believe he ain't being played for fitness reasons, maybe it's like someone mentioned about not wanting him to pick up a knock for the next 'buyer', who knows 

Either saido has photoshopped all his pics, edited all his vids... or pulis is lying to the fans

I've asked you before what your connection with Berahino is. Because you're far more passionate about him than you are the club based on your posts.

This 60k a week offer to me is a red herring and Albion are hoping the tribunal fall for it hook line and sinker.

Record Tribunal here we come.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 31, 2016, 01:22:16 AM
The club have allegedly offered him improved terms in conjunction with a sell on clause.

If he signs he signs, if he doesn't he doesn't.

When players go to tribunal (which will happen if he stays in the UK), part of the compensation structure is based on how highly the club are seen to value the player and his services in terms of wages offered.

Whether they actually want him to sign or not (or whether he agrees to sign on the dotted line), by offering escalating deals the club are expressing an ongoing interest in the retention of his services.

As for comments such as Championship level player at best, do me a favour..... utter cobblers.

I see it as just that. A display of what we value him as to take forward to the tribunal. I have no expectation that he will sign the contract, but these contract offers will help our case of how much we value him, but he wouldn't take it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 31, 2016, 02:11:46 AM
I've asked you before what your connection with Berahino is. Because you're far more passionate about him than you are the club based on your posts.

This 60k a week offer to me is a red herring and Albion are hoping the tribunal fall for it hook line and sinker.

Record Tribunal here we come.

And I'm hoping for us to win the fa cup... bet there's a very high chance that's not going to happen.

Come one, this is a business to the new owners.... you really believe the club are going to offer that and 'hope' the gamble pays off?  (And by that I mean him accepting it, pulis not playing him because he don't fit in like some have said and the club pay 60k a week to someone who can't get into the first team... it's all well having a buy out clause but where's the hard facts that people actually want to sign him for a big lump sum? There's none).

All I'm saying is, there is more to it than the fans are led to believe and just because us fans would like to see him gone sooner rather than later... it doesn't mean that's what's going to happen. (Which many are failing to come to terms with).

Pulis is a very smart man, so is the new chairman otherwise he wouldn't be as wealthy as he is.... they haven't got to where they are in life by playing little games with people 'hoping' they would bite... they know what they are doing and as fans and people that are 'ITK'... we don't know jack sh*te.

Should he be gone by now? The answer is yes
Will pulis use him and get the most of him? The answer is probably not
Is it possible for saido to sign this new contract? The answer is yes

Those are the only things we all know for pretty much certain, but they are going to some extent just to try and scrape a few extra quid at a tribunal ain't they? (When it's possible it won't come to that)

Only time will tell I guess.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on December 31, 2016, 02:29:00 AM
And I'm hoping for us to win the fa cup... bet there's a very high chance that's not going to happen.

Come one, this is a business to the new owners.... you really believe the club are going to offer that and 'hope' the gamble pays off?  (And by that I mean him accepting it, pulis not playing him because he don't fit in like some have said and the club pay 60k a week to someone who can't get into the first team... it's all well having a buy out clause but where's the hard facts that people actually want to sign him for a big lump sum? There's none).

All I'm saying is, there is more to it than the fans are led to believe and just because us fans would like to see him gone sooner rather than later... it doesn't mean that's what's going to happen. (Which many are failing to come to terms with).

Pulis is a very smart man, so is the new chairman otherwise he wouldn't be as wealthy as he is.... they haven't got to where they are in life by playing little games with people 'hoping' they would bite... they know what they are doing and as fans and people that are 'ITK'... we don't know jack sh*te.

Should he be gone by now? The answer is yes
Will pulis use him and get the most of him? The answer is probably not
Is it possible for saido to sign this new contract? The answer is yes

Those are the only things we all know for pretty much certain, but they are going to some extent just to try and scrape a few extra quid at a tribunal ain't they? (When it's possible it won't come to that)

Only time will tell I guess.

An awful lot of words to essentially repeat recent posts  :)  ;) .

Happy New Year  8) .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 31, 2016, 03:23:20 AM
An awful lot of words to essentially repeat recent posts  :)  ;) .

Happy New Year  8) .

...on a thread with an awful lot of pages of the same people moaning about the same things  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on December 31, 2016, 03:41:56 AM
...on a thread with an awful lot of pages of the same people moaning about the same things  ;) ;)

Bang on, no dispute this end chap  8) .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on December 31, 2016, 09:14:19 AM
After everything that has happened I would be surprised if he signed a new contract no matter how generous that contract is. I'm puzzled by the offer because at least from the outside there has never been any doubt how this ends and that is Saido leaving the club the only thing that has ever been in doubt is when and for how much.

I cannot understand that he still unfit, sorry that simply does not ring true. If he isn't fit then that is a major issue and in itself would be a good reason to just let him go not offer him a £60k a week contract.

I cannot understand why anyone thinks that he has a future under Pulis.

Pulis hasn't and won't play him as a Centre Forward, doesn't play with a three man forward line and we now have two players in the squad who are better number 10's than Saido who really struggled in that position last year.

I just find the whole thing utterly bewildering

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on December 31, 2016, 09:37:45 AM
Apart from the fact he's a complete backside (and please I hope anyone doesn't ask what he's done) I really do believe he's not actually that good, his main strength was striking a ball cleanly, he hasn't any real pace, can't beat a defender and couldn't head a barn door and I doubt after all this time out he's improved but would almost be certain he's declined as a player. If we have offered 60k a week and he signs it will definitely prove beyond any doubt the games well and truly gone mad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 31, 2016, 10:18:33 AM
I've lost track of whether we have confirmed we have made him an official contract offer this season even though its been rumoured in the papers a few times but I believe you have to make an official contract offer in the last year of a players deal to get any compensation via tribunal. I reckon the club knows he has no intention of remaining beyond his current deal but will offer a highly paid contract to try and keep his potential compensation payment as high as possible as it is just one of the factors taken into account for any tribunal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on December 31, 2016, 11:13:50 AM
Up to his usual tricks on twitter again last night - "Nous laissons les rumeurs être les rumeurs" which translates to "We let the rumors be the rumors".  One way or another I just want it solved now, either play and sign the new deal or go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 31, 2016, 11:31:56 AM
Up to his usual tricks on twitter again last night - "Nous laissons les rumeurs être les rumeurs" which translates to "We let the rumors be the rumors".  One way or another I just want it solved now, either play and sign the new deal or go.

Amazing.. He's such an attention seeker. You'd think he'd been banging them in all season or at least playing, the way he's already trying to make the transfer window all about him. His team-mates must think he's a complete backside, as we do. Thought he was meant to be losing weight in France, not learning the language!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 31, 2016, 11:37:07 AM
Amazing.. He's such an attention seeker. You'd think he'd been banging them in all season or at least playing, the way he's already trying to make the transfer window all about him. His team-mates must think he's a complete backside, as we do. Thought he was meant to be losing weight in France, not learning the language!

I doubt he needs to learn the language - he spent his first 10 years living in Burundi, which is a French speaking country!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 31, 2016, 11:43:07 AM
I doubt he needs to learn the language - he spent his first 10 years living in Burundi, which is a French speaking country!
Twas a joke... In that we sent him there to lose weight and he's come back speaking the language.. Lighten up
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 31, 2016, 12:14:35 PM
Twas a joke... In that we sent him there to lose weight and he's come back speaking the language.. Lighten up

Sorry - was too subtle a joke for me.  And I've got a bad hangover !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on December 31, 2016, 12:18:52 PM
Amazing.. He's such an attention seeker. You'd think he'd been banging them in all season or at least playing, the way he's already trying to make the transfer window all about him. His team-mates must think he's a complete backside, as we do. Thought he was meant to be losing weight in France, not learning the language!

There's a difference between attention seeking... and taking the p*ss out of people, which he is clearly doing.

He knows he could put a tweet saying something like '123' and it would get a reaction out of the majority and there will be numerous stories as to what it means all over the net  ::)

more fool the people that take the bait, getting angry whilst he's probably got a friend on here telling him about this thread as they p*ss themselves laughing getting ready to spend his 60k a week  ::) ::)

But, is the contract offer a rumor... or are the 'interested clubs' all rumors? after all.. only saido knows the facts (which is scary to think of it) ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on December 31, 2016, 12:45:34 PM
The sooner he goes the better. He is just a waste of space. Bring somebody in who actually wants to play for the club!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 31, 2016, 01:34:03 PM
We have only announced news of new contract offer to deflect blame away from club, yet we should have acted a long time ago....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on December 31, 2016, 01:35:50 PM
Apart from the fact he's a complete backside (and please I hope anyone doesn't ask what he's done) I really do believe he's not actually that good, his main strength was striking a ball cleanly, he hasn't any real pace, can't beat a defender and couldn't head a barn door and I doubt after all this time out he's improved but would almost be certain he's declined as a player. If we have offered 60k a week and he signs it will definitely prove beyond any doubt the games well and truly gone mad.
im on the same hymn sheet as you mate,vastly over rated and not worth tripling his wedge
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 31, 2016, 01:58:50 PM
We have only announced news of new contract offer to deflect blame away from club, yet we should have acted a long time ago....

Er...we did. We made two previous new contract offers and he rejected them both. This is the third one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba_1996 on December 31, 2016, 02:16:03 PM
The contract offer is so we would get more money if it went to a tribunal and it also pressures interested clubs to make offers in January, doubt the club expect him to sign it.

As for the overrated comments, he's the best finisher at the club and one of the best in the league. Unfortunately, he lacks any real pace or strength, is appalling in the air and his dribbling and passing abilities are average at best. Coupled with his lack of fitness and mentality its clear he is of no use to us.

Reckon his best move would be to Ligue 1, if close to match fit in a half-decent side he'd bag quite a few goals in that league. That Nice link would make sense, they're making a habit of signing and rehabilitating talented players who are struggling for one reason or another: Ben Arfa, Balotelli, Belhanda etc.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 31, 2016, 02:17:48 PM
There's a difference between attention seeking... and taking the p*ss out of people, which he is clearly doing.

He knows he could put a tweet saying something like '123' and it would get a reaction out of the majority and there will be numerous stories as to what it means all over the net  ::)

more fool the people that take the bait, getting angry whilst he's probably got a friend on here telling him about this thread as they p*ss themselves laughing getting ready to spend his 60k a week  ::) ::)

But, is the contract offer a rumor... or are the 'interested clubs' all rumors? after all.. only saido knows the facts (which is scary to think of it) ???

It's clearly attention seeking.. If it wasn't he wouldn't say anything. He does it every window and the press lap it up writing rumours about him. As you say he could write 123 and people would read things into it. He could also write 'I'm not going anywhere, going to carry on knuckling down for the gaffer etc' but he chooses not to because he wants people talking about him.

I doubt he even cares about a forum or has ever seen this thread. And if he did, and I was him, it would hit home how many people he's inebriated off and lost the respect off, rather than laughing about it. I'm sure there are threads on message boards of other teams also questioning whether they actually should sign someone with his temperament. Maybe he found Odemwingie's Guiness stash and has been helping himself to it in preparation for new years  :P.

The contract offer isn't a rumour, there's quotes from TP confirming it. So we know that as a fact:

"We've made Saido an offer and we're trying to get him to sign," said boss Tony Pulis.
"It's a fantastic offer. We've made it hoping the lad will sign, it's up to him and his people to come back and negotiate," added Pulis.

Instead he's on Twitter posting stupid messages...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 31, 2016, 02:20:21 PM
Er...we did. We made two previous new contract offers and he rejected them both. This is the third one.

Yeah think it's clearly to take to the tribunal to show that we've made more than a reasonable effort to keep hold of him. Also reflects how much we value him by the wages that are being offered. All will be in our favour in increasing the value we get.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on December 31, 2016, 02:24:20 PM
If we are opting to give Rondon a rest then we could have really have done with Berahino stepping up today but again he's nowhere to be seen and we have to use a player that really shouldn't part of a Premiership team as our main goal threat !

We need to strengthen the squad in January with a few more players that can actually challenge the first eleven as a few injuries and suspensions will hurt in the second half of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 31, 2016, 02:32:33 PM
Yeah think it's clearly to take to the tribunal to show that we've made more than a reasonable effort to keep hold of him. Also reflects how much we value him by the wages that are being offered. All will be in our favour in increasing the value we get.

Which will be just £300k if he goes abroad....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 31, 2016, 02:34:28 PM
Er...we did. We made two previous new contract offers and he rejected them both. This is the third one.
I meant accept the stoke transfer bid of £20m
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 31, 2016, 02:50:37 PM
If we are opting to give Rondon a rest then we could have really have done with Berahino stepping up today but again he's nowhere to be seen and we have to use a player that really shouldn't part of a Premiership team as our main goal threat !

We need to strengthen the squad in January with a few more players that can actually challenge the first eleven as a few injuries and suspensions will hurt in the second half of the season.

Exactly, Ive said many times before that we should have been treating it as Berahino not even being in the squad, since he's clearly not going to be used. We need to be getting in at least 1 striker in January, as we're currently running with only 2, 1 of which is yet to score or make much of an impact.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 31, 2016, 02:52:51 PM
I meant accept the stoke transfer bid of £20m

How could we accept the Stoke bid of £20m if Berahino had no interest in moving to Stoke?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 31, 2016, 02:54:50 PM
It's clearly attention seeking.. If it wasn't he wouldn't say anything. He does it every window and the press lap it up writing rumours about him. As you say he could write 123 and people would read things into it. He could also write 'I'm not going anywhere, going to carry on knuckling down for the gaffer etc' but he chooses not to because he wants people talking about him.

I doubt he even cares about a forum or has ever seen this thread. And if he did, and I was him, it would hit home how many people he's inebriated off and lost the respect off, rather than laughing about it. I'm sure there are threads on message boards of other teams also questioning whether they actually should sign someone with his temperament. Maybe he found Odemwingie's Guiness stash and has been helping himself to it in preparation for new years  :P.

The contract offer isn't a rumour, there's quotes from TP confirming it. So we know that as a fact:

"We've made Saido an offer and we're trying to get him to sign," said boss Tony Pulis.
"It's a fantastic offer. We've made it hoping the lad will sign, it's up to him and his people to come back and negotiate," added Pulis.

Instead he's on Twitter posting stupid messages...
It is all propoganda, smoke and mirrors.

Berahino was (is) our biggest asset and Jeremy Peace knew it hence not prepared to sell him for less than his market value. He will never (rarely) play under Tony Pulis, despite what TP tells you in the press, but to openly say that will clearly devalue our asset more.

Was (is) he that good? I thought there were plenty of limitations to his game but, strangely, believed he might learn something from having Pulis in charge. Tottenham were prepared to gamble on him, England gambled on him. Will be interesting to see who gambles on him now. He seems confident enough to believe to not cash in on the white elephant in the room he will do ok after us.
Time will tell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 31, 2016, 05:30:07 PM
I don't care one jot what he does or doesn't do, as long as he doesn't sign the contract we have reportedly offered. Good grief, if we really have offered this idiot that much money, I would be expecting to see a queue of 21 or so players at the Chairman's door asking for a pay rise.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Xpresso on December 31, 2016, 05:49:31 PM
Offered £60,000 a week, according to reports, which presumably means whoever wants to sign him will have to at least match that offer. I still feel he wants away though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 31, 2016, 06:19:12 PM
Offered £60,000 a week, according to reports, which presumably means whoever wants to sign him will have to at least match that offer. I still feel he wants away though.

Relatively little in the grand scheme of striker wages in the premier league to be fair though
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 31, 2016, 06:50:56 PM
How could we accept the Stoke bid of £20m if Berahino had no interest in moving to Stoke?

We can accept it but it's then up to Berahino.
Don't particularly want to argue about it, but are you saying you know that Berahino said no?
If that is the case, why would Stoke make the offer? They would have done their homework.

Alternatively pethaps we should have accepted one of the other bids that came in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on December 31, 2016, 06:57:10 PM
How could we accept the Stoke bid of £20m if Berahino had no interest in moving to Stoke?

Also I imagine, but not 100% sure, that it would look good for our tribunal settlement if we'd accepted an offer for what we felt he was worth, then Berahino chose to turn it down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 31, 2016, 07:53:21 PM
We can accept it but it's then up to Berahino.
Don't particularly want to argue about it, but are you saying you know that Berahino said no?
If that is the case, why would Stoke make the offer? They would have done their homework.

Alternatively pethaps we should have accepted one of the other bids that came in.

I understood that he was hoping for something better than Stoke but nothing was forthcoming.  He didn't then panic as he holds all the aces.

The other offers were Palace, Watford and Newcastle. He didn't fancy the first two and Newcastle were heading for relegation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 31, 2016, 09:24:31 PM
Relatively little in the grand scheme of striker wages in the premier league to be fair though
A "Proven" striker he is a long way from that. Yes he got 20? one season fair few pens then look at him. Missed 2 in one game. I know it happens BUT.
He has it all to prove.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: THROSTLE79 on December 31, 2016, 10:25:08 PM
Not really a double edged sword. Perhaps I should've side "two sides to the coin." I'm getting my sayings mixed up.

I said to my dad a few weeks ago that the best thing Saido can do is get fit, prove his worth, start scoring again and sign a new deal and in a years time he'll be worth at least 25 million again. It's probably not going to happen though sadly.

Lol . Really ? Saido will never be worth £25M , he doesn't deserve a chance , he doesn't fit into our style of play , he is lucky the club helped him become the player we thought he could be , he pooh on us from a great height , we are in a great position to not have to pander to these sorts . Let him go , I'm sure he will be the one with the biggest regrets in the long run , professional clubs do not need his sort
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on December 31, 2016, 10:34:55 PM
Lol . Really ? Saido will never be worth £25M , he doesn't deserve a chance , he doesn't fit into our style of play , he is lucky the club helped him become the player we thought he could be , he rubbish on us from a great height , we are in a great position to not have to pander to these sorts . Let him go , I'm sure he will be the one with the biggest regrets in the long run , professional clubs do not need his sort

He was worth it though but we were stupid to turn down £20m+ offers for him. I hope he walks away for nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on December 31, 2016, 10:39:31 PM
He was worth it though but we were stupid to turn down £20m+ offers for him. I hope he walks away for nothing.

But what £20m+ offers did we turn down from clubs that he was willing to move to?  None.  Can't count the Spurs "offer" as we would never have seen anywhere near £20m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: THROSTLE79 on December 31, 2016, 11:19:01 PM
The club were right to turn down the derisory bids at the time , he has wasted his opportunities since . Now he is worthless imo , just a another lesson to future kids at our academy that the club should be respected
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 01, 2017, 01:27:31 AM
A "Proven" striker he is a long way from that. Yes he got 20? one season fair few pens then look at him. Missed 2 in one game. I know it happens BUT.
He has it all to prove.

I didn't say he was "proven" at all. However 60k is still relatively little in the grand scheme of the premier league. I guarantee he'll be on at least that or more if he moves to another club.

And i'm sorry, missed 2 in one game.. World class strikers miss chances every game. Thats not going to affect what somebody pays him in wages
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 01, 2017, 11:00:55 AM
I didn't say he was "proven" at all. However 60k is still relatively little in the grand scheme of the premier league. I guarantee he'll be on at least that or more if he moves to another club.

And i'm sorry, missed 2 in one game.. World class strikers miss chances every game. Thats not going to affect what somebody pays him in wages
More fool them then. He ain't worth it now and I doubt if he ever will be
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 01, 2017, 11:37:24 AM
Has he gone yet? Cant wait for the day.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 01, 2017, 11:42:00 AM
More fool them then. He ain't worth it now and I doubt if he ever will be

Doesn't matter if he's worth it, if someone pays it they pay it. Was just saying I guarantee it'll be at least 60k
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 01, 2017, 03:56:52 PM
I didn't say he was "proven" at all. However 60k is still relatively little in the grand scheme of the premier league. I guarantee he'll be on at least that or more if he moves to another club.

And i'm sorry, missed 2 in one game.. World class strikers miss chances every game. Thats not going to affect what somebody pays him in wages
Sorry but to me this "implied" you think he is a Premier Striker. "Relatively little in the grand scheme of striker wages in the premier league to be fair though"
And I also stated regarding his penalty miss twice in a game. "I know it happens BUT."
His whole attitude changed that season and quite frankly would love to see us get rid and bring in another striker with gray between their ears.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 01, 2017, 04:31:39 PM
Sorry but to me this "implied" you think he is a Premier Striker. "Relatively little in the grand scheme of striker wages in the premier league to be fair though"
And I also stated regarding his penalty miss twice in a game. "I know it happens BUT."
His whole attitude changed that season and quite frankly would love to see us get rid and bring in another striker with gray between their ears.

Fact is he is a striker playing for a premier league team, and is likely to sign for another premier league team. Apologies, it wasn't clear that the 2 misses comment was specifically about the penalties, I thought you were saying he'd missed two chances in a game. I agree the 2 penalty misses in one match were poor.

And fully agree that his attitude changed and his head was turned by the offers in that transfer window. I feel this is why we should be due compensation or whatever from the tribunal (hell I'd make Spurs pay for it), as we had a striker who'd scored 20 odd goals the season before (regardless of how many were penalties, still have to score them) and after the summer we've been left with someone who is of no use to anyone and who's value has rapidly decreased.

I personally think we didn't sell him that summer because we wanted to keep him for another year, where he could potentially have a similar season with us, and then we sell him for even more the next summer. But his head getting turned completely ruined that, and we've been left with someone who will be leaving on a free at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 01, 2017, 05:17:08 PM
Fact is he is a striker playing for a premier league team, and is likely to sign for another premier league team. Apologies, it wasn't clear that the 2 misses comment was specifically about the penalties, I thought you were saying he'd missed two chances in a game. I agree the 2 penalty misses in one match were poor.

And fully agree that his attitude changed and his head was turned by the offers in that transfer window. I feel this is why we should be due compensation or whatever from the tribunal (hell I'd make Spurs pay for it), as we had a striker who'd scored 20 odd goals the season before (regardless of how many were penalties, still have to score them) and after the summer we've been left with someone who is of no use to anyone and who's value has rapidly decreased.

I personally think we didn't sell him that summer because we wanted to keep him for another year, where he could potentially have a similar season with us, and then we sell him for even more the next summer. But his head getting turned completely ruined that, and we've been left with someone who will be leaving on a free at the end of the season.
Which Premiership team is he playing for? I will also be very surprised if he signs for another Premiership team any time soon. As you correctly say, he is no use to anyone at present
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 01, 2017, 06:19:58 PM
Which Premiership team is he playing for? I will also be very surprised if he signs for another Premiership team any time soon. As you correctly say, he is no use to anyone at present

He plays for West Bromwich Albion, an exert from their Wikipedia page:

West Bromwich Albion Football Club /ˈbrɒmɪtʃ/, also known as West Brom, The Baggies, The Throstles, Albion or simply WBA, is an English professional football club based in West Bromwich in the West Midlands. The club was formed in 1878 and has played at its home ground, The Hawthorns, since 1900.

Albion were one of the founding members of the Football League in 1888 and have spent the majority of their existence in the top tier of English football. They have been champions of England once, in 1919–20 and have been runners-up twice but they have had more success in the FA Cup, winning it five times. The first came in 1888, the year the league was founded, and the most recent in 1968, their last major trophy. They also won the Football League Cup at the first attempt in 1966. The club's longest consecutive period in the top division was between 1949 and 1973, and from 1986 to 2002 they spent their longest ever spell out of the top division. They currently play in the Premier League.

Saido Berahino has made 4 appearances this season for West Brom, 31 last season, 38 season before that.

I understand he's not in the squad at the moment, but that doesn't make him not a premier league player.

By that reasoning are Rooney, Sturridge, Ings, Cazorla, Kompany, Austin, Schniderlin etc not premier league players because they haven't played for a while? They are still players at Premier League teams, as is Berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 01, 2017, 07:34:37 PM
He plays for West Bromwich Albion, an exert from their Wikipedia page:

West Bromwich Albion Football Club /ˈbrɒmɪtʃ/, also known as West Brom, The Baggies, The Throstles, Albion or simply WBA, is an English professional football club based in West Bromwich in the West Midlands. The club was formed in 1878 and has played at its home ground, The Hawthorns, since 1900.

Albion were one of the founding members of the Football League in 1888 and have spent the majority of their existence in the top tier of English football. They have been champions of England once, in 1919–20 and have been runners-up twice but they have had more success in the FA Cup, winning it five times. The first came in 1888, the year the league was founded, and the most recent in 1968, their last major trophy. They also won the Football League Cup at the first attempt in 1966. The club's longest consecutive period in the top division was between 1949 and 1973, and from 1986 to 2002 they spent their longest ever spell out of the top division. They currently play in the Premier League.

Saido Berahino has made 4 appearances this season for West Brom, 31 last season, 38 season before that.

I understand he's not in the squad at the moment, but that doesn't make him not a premier league player.

By that reasoning are Rooney, Sturridge, Ings, Cazorla, Kompany, Austin, Schniderlin etc not premier league players because they haven't played for a while? They are still players at Premier League teams, as is Berahino

The difference is those players have all proven themselves in this league (perhaps Ings the least, but he's still more proven than Berahino) - whereas Berahino has to still prove he isn't just a one-season wonder.

For what it's worth, I agree that he could probably get a Premier League club right now, but if he went until the end of the season with barely playing for us then I don't know. Each month that passes so far, his value has dropped and he's gone from teams like Spurs being interested to Newcastle, who are now in the Championship.

It's almost like he's had a massive injury for a whole season - players can lose the touch after that amount of time out, which is what makes them risky and less attractive to other clubs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 01, 2017, 07:44:39 PM
I think my original point (having to go back to remember  ::) ) was that 60k a week was relatively little in the grand scheme of the Premier league. Of which we've established that he does in fact currently play for a club in the Premier league. I never said he was proven, just that he's a striker in the Premier league, not sure where that's come from.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on January 01, 2017, 08:15:48 PM
I think my original point (having to go back to remember  ::) ) was that 60k a week was relatively little in the grand scheme of the Premier league. Of which we've established that he does in fact currently play for a club in the Premier league. I never said he was proven, just that he's a striker in the Premier league, not sure where that's come from.
He is on the book's of a premier club but not actually playing for anyone, is he?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 01, 2017, 09:48:58 PM
He is on the book's of a premier club but not actually playing for anyone, is he?

Which still makes him a Premier League striker being paid a premier league wage whether we like it or not, pedantic or not. Not sure what the point of arguing is? If signed by another Premier League club, he's then still a premier league player, on, you guessed it, premier league wages. 60k a week is still relatively little for a premier league striker, and I imagine if he signs for another premier league club he'll be on more than that, not that it matters at all to us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on January 01, 2017, 09:52:48 PM
Which still makes him a Premier League striker being paid a premier league wage whether we like it or not, pedantic or not. Not sure what the point of arguing is? If signed by another Premier League club, he's then still a premier league player, on, you guessed it, premier league wages. 60k a week is still relatively little for a premier league striker, and I imagine if he signs for another premier league club he'll be on more than that, not that it matters at all to us.
Not arguing mate, just discussing, point is i can't stand him and the sooner he is gone the better!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 01, 2017, 09:57:59 PM
Which still makes him a Premier League striker being paid a premier league wage whether we like it or not, pedantic or not. Not sure what the point of arguing is? If signed by another Premier League club, he's then still a premier league player, on, you guessed it, premier league wages. 60k a week is still relatively little for a premier league striker, and I imagine if he signs for another premier league club he'll be on more than that, not that it matters at all to us.

But there's a huge difference between being an established PL striker and one whose barely kicked a ball in the past 12 months. I imagine Robson-Kanu is on around £20k per week, whereas Rondon is on closer to £60k. It doesn't mean Berahino is worthy of a £60k p/w wage because he's played in the Premier League. As of now he has to prove he's still got the ability worthy of the deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 01, 2017, 10:08:23 PM
But there's a huge difference between being an established PL striker and one whose barely kicked a ball in the past 12 months. I imagine Robson-Kanu is on around £20k per week, whereas Rondon is on closer to £60k. It doesn't mean Berahino is worthy of a £60k p/w wage because he's played in the Premier League. As of now he has to prove he's still got the ability worthy of the deal.

Again, I didn't mention anything about being an established premier league player at all, or a proven striker, or anything like that. However comparing to Rondon who's on 60k as you suggest, Berahino has played more games (double in fact) in the premier league (106) to Rondon's 51, and scored more goals in the Premier League (23) to Rondon's 16. Could argue that he's more established? No one is saying he's worth 60k a week, I was pointing out that I believe if he signs for another premier league team he'll be on at least 60k. In fact he'll probably be on at least that if he goes abroad too.

Just as an aside, Fabio Borini, Danny Ings, Shinji Okasaki, Christian Benteke, Andy Carrol, Mbokani, Llorente, and many other strikers are all on £60k per week or more.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 01, 2017, 10:32:52 PM
Fact is he is a striker playing for a premier league team, and is likely to sign for another premier league team. Apologies, it wasn't clear that the 2 misses comment was specifically about the penalties, I thought you were saying he'd missed two chances in a game. I agree the 2 penalty misses in one match were poor.

And fully agree that his attitude changed and his head was turned by the offers in that transfer window. I feel this is why we should be due compensation or whatever from the tribunal (hell I'd make Spurs pay for it), as we had a striker who'd scored 20 odd goals the season before (regardless of how many were penalties, still have to score them) and after the summer we've been left with someone who is of no use to anyone and who's value has rapidly decreased.

I personally think we didn't sell him that summer because we wanted to keep him for another year, where he could potentially have a similar season with us, and then we sell him for even more the next summer. But his head getting turned completely ruined that, and we've been left with someone who will be leaving on a free at the end of the season.
Thank you yes I agree with what you have said. I hope the club can get something out it at the end of the day.
I feel he will not sign and try and screw the club.Hope I am wrong but on past history?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 02, 2017, 03:39:57 AM
Thank you yes I agree with what you have said. I hope the club can get something out it at the end of the day.
I feel he will not sign and try and screw the club.Hope I am wrong but on past history?

That is the worry, but ultimately he will be out of contract with us so free to do as he pleases. Imagine it will be whoever offers him the best package overall
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 04, 2017, 09:14:18 PM
how far away is he from being fit to play if he's needed?  its been almost 3 months since it was reported he was overweight, the players do about 6 weeks pre season training yet this blokes had double that length of time and still not ready. just a joke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 04, 2017, 09:23:29 PM
how far away is he from being fit to play if he's needed?  its been almost 3 months since it was reported he was overweight, the players do about 6 weeks pre season training yet this blokes had double that length of time and still not ready. just a joke.

There's physical fitness and mental fitness
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 04, 2017, 09:30:55 PM
There's physical fitness and mental fitness

and there's fitness to wear the shirt.
He's none of the above
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 04, 2017, 09:39:33 PM
how far away is he from being fit to play if he's needed?  its been almost 3 months since it was reported he was overweight, the players do about 6 weeks pre season training yet this blokes had double that length of time and still not ready. just a joke.

He posted a pic to the whole world the day he got sent to france, posing in the mirror with his VERY ripped body - if he was fat i'll eat my own testicles.

There's more to it than fitness, pulis just needs to come out and be honest to put it all to bed so we can move on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 04, 2017, 09:54:26 PM
He posted a pic to the whole world the day he got sent to france, posing in the mirror with his VERY ripped body - if he was fat i'll eat my own testicles.

There's more to it than fitness, pulis just needs to come out and be honest to put it all to bed so we can move on.

There is a huge difference between being fat and being overweight for an athletic pursuit. Would have thought the club don't want him hench; They would want him lean, quick and agile.

Pulis can't do anything more for the waster. I'd have hung him out to dry months ago through sheer frustration.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 04, 2017, 09:56:05 PM
He posted a pic to the whole world the day he got sent to france, posing in the mirror with his VERY ripped body - if he was fat i'll eat my own testicles.

There's more to it than fitness, pulis just needs to come out and be honest to put it all to bed so we can move on.

I personally think it's been used as an excuse not to play him. However it hardly fills perspective buyers with confidence does it? I mean if we wanted to sell him we'd surely be praising him and showing how fit he is, not showcasing negarives
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 04, 2017, 10:15:07 PM
There is a huge difference between being fat and being overweight for an athletic pursuit. Would have thought the club don't want him hench; They would want him lean, quick and agile.

Pulis can't do anything more for the waster. I'd have hung him out to dry months ago through sheer frustration.

You may be right, but...

Im with you on the whole freezing him out completely thing but as much as you hate him, its obvious to anyone with any common sense that there is more to it than saido being 'fat'.

I do genuinely believe pulis as done way more for saido than he should have done, but i feel pulis aint being completely honest with the fans about the whole situation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on January 04, 2017, 11:46:26 PM
There's so much more...trust me. I won't say too much but he's something of a 'busted flush' as it stands. It's hard to stomach as he's something that is a product of the Albion family, however there's people telling him he'd be 2/3 mil better off if he leaves to a European club to avoid tribunals. It would be incredible if he'd sign a contract and give his all....I for one would have huge respect for him and support him to the hilt. He said, "I'll never play for Peace again" - Peace has gone....what's changed?! It's only about de dollar!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 05, 2017, 09:29:18 PM
how does loaning Saido to Stoke benefit us?
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/866021232?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on January 05, 2017, 10:10:04 PM
If its true we are offering him 60 how must Rondon and other genuine assets on 60 or less feel - what a kick in the balls.

We are generally a well managed club but way we have handled this player has been completely wrong - agree spurs bid wasnt worth hitting but he should been sold to  stoke or newcastle when they bid - madness
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 06, 2017, 06:35:44 AM
no one actually beating a path down to our door to sign this waster are they?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 06, 2017, 06:43:35 AM
According to the Sentinel Stoke have returned for Berahino.

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-wait-on-west-brom-to-put-value-on-misfit-saido-berahino/story-30033686-detail/story.html

Stoke City wait on West Brom to put value on misfit Saido Berahino
By Martin_Spinks  |  Posted: January 05, 2017

Stoke City want West Bromwich Albion to name their price for unsettled striker Saido Berahino.

Boss Mark Hughes remains interested in the 23 year-old misfit and will decide whether to pursue him, for a third successive transfer window, if the price is right.

Berahino once commanded a valuation of more than £20m when being chased by the likes of Tottenham, but lack of form and game time has seen his price plummet over the last 18 months.

He has just six months left on his current deal at The Hawthorns, but Albion will still be entitled to compensation once he is out of contract because he isn't 24 until August.

A loan move might be one compromise proving attractive to both clubs because Stoke wouldn't be committing themselves long-term to a player with plenty to prove, while Albion would be putting him in the shop window for the rest of the season.

Hughes knows he would be taking something of a stab in the dark if he did move in for a player making the last of his five appearances this season back on September 10.


And last season's return of seven goals in 35 appearances was a far cry from his heyday in 2014/15 when he bagged 20 in 45 appearances to alert the likes of Tottenham.

Albion boss Tony Pulis eventually ran out of patience with Berahino's reported lack of fitness in the Autumn and sent him to France for personal training to try and get him back into shape.

Berahino's agent has consistently said his client now wants a move abroad, but the player himself might be more inclined to remain in this country.

Read more at http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-wait-on-west-brom-to-put-value-on-misfit-saido-berahino/story-30033686-detail/story.html#D8TlXAou2hkcF4Pq.99


Personally I wouldn't turn down any reasonable offer because I fear that the alternative will be losing a fee when he moves abroad. I'm not even going to bother with the usual proviso of providing we find a replacement because it is plain that Saido isn't going to be playing for us again this season almost regardless of the situation. He's been on a prolonged training camp and been training with the squad for nearly a month and to quote Pulis "He's nowhere near ready" then he won't ever be  ready.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 06, 2017, 08:20:50 AM
Fat, thin, worth £60k or not when he isn't even bloody working, who cares. On the pitch he is as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

The to$$er is a complete spoilt brat and probably our biggest embarrassment ever.

Self-serving, self-centered and the furthest away you could possibly get from the likes of Bomber and Astle. Or Regis come to that.

Can't wait for the door to hit his lardy (or not) backside on the way out. I'm going to have a party.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 06, 2017, 08:22:11 AM
I hope I've made my feelings clear.  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 06, 2017, 08:37:20 AM
I hope I've made my feelings clear.  ::)

Perfectly clear.

What are his bad points Coseley?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on January 06, 2017, 08:38:32 AM
Bojan wants regular football - do a straight swap.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 06, 2017, 08:58:04 AM
Fat, thin, worth £60k or not when he isn't even bloody working, who cares. On the pitch he is as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

The to$$er is a complete spoilt brat and probably our biggest embarrassment ever.

Self-serving, self-centered and the furthest away you could possibly get from the likes of Bomber and Astle. Or Regis come to that.

Can't wait for the door to hit his lardy (or not) backside on the way out. I'm going to have a party.

Climb down off that fence - you'll get splinters!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2017, 09:07:38 AM
hes going to get roasted whenever he comes back. we all know in the right team he will be playing for england again within a year
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 06, 2017, 09:25:29 AM
Bojan wants regular football - do a straight swap.

Ignoring the unlikelihood of a swap deal, Bojan could be a good player for us. Phillips, Chadli and Bojan would make an interesting 3 behind Rondon and all 3 can play anywhere across the field so could be very fluid in the movement.

Perhaps we could use our last loan to get him in with an option to buy in the Summer?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: nick_wba on January 06, 2017, 09:28:42 AM
hes going to get roasted whenever he comes back. we all know in the right team he will be playing for england again within a year

I have no doubt he would be if he had the right attitude. In my opinion his technical ability far outweighs that of players like Jordan Henderson and James Milner who have nearly 100 caps between them. It just shows what you can achieve if you keep your nose clean and go about your business with the right attitude.

There's a reason why Milner has played at some of the biggest clubs in England (apart from one) and Henderson is the current Liverpool captain. They set an example. I'm not saying they are bad players by any stretch, but I think Saido would be a far better footballer than both if he had even half the commitment of either of them.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on January 06, 2017, 09:54:22 AM
Swap, was a tongue in cheek comment. However, I agree with you that Bojan would be a great option if we could prise him from Stoke and give us something we don't currently have with our other strikers.  That said if he does move on from Stoke, I'd guess it would be back to Spain.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on January 06, 2017, 10:07:31 AM
Any chance Berahino might play tomorrow?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on January 06, 2017, 10:07:50 AM
Well sounds like Bojan is actually looking to leave to try and get more first team football.

Would love to see him join as find him a joy to watch and it is plausible if Berahino goes the other way.

However think Pulis and the recruitment team will be setting their sights on a more out an out Number 9 as a Rondon backup instead

Lets just all accept now that the Stoke player joining will be Crouch ;)

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 06, 2017, 10:07:56 AM
Swap, was a tongue in cheek comment. However, I agree with you that Bojan would be a great option if we could prise him from Stoke and give us something we don't currently have with our other strikers.  That said if he does move on from Stoke, I'd guess it would be back to Spain.

Not sure why we would want Bojan, cannot get regular football in a mediocre Stoke team at the moment.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on January 06, 2017, 10:18:04 AM
Video again on Instagram going for a run with the caption "They say I ain't fit #ok  >:( "

Doesn't help himself, but got to wonder what's going on now with him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2017, 10:27:22 AM
shocking attitude and disrespect to our club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 06, 2017, 10:30:58 AM
Video again on Instagram going for a run with the caption "They say I ain't fit #ok  >:( "

Doesn't help himself, but got to wonder what's going on now with him

Hopefully he is now fully fit and TP is just electing not to play him and claiming he is not fit still  ;D Anything which would urine the little scrote off would be fine by me.

Having campaigned for us to sell him in previous windows. Unless a ridiculous offer (of £15m plus) comes in for him during this window, I would gladly see him rot in the U23's for the remainder of the season and see what the tribunal brings if he stays in this country.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 06, 2017, 10:32:48 AM
Well sounds like Bojan is actually looking to leave to try and get more first team football.

Would love to see him join as find him a joy to watch and it is plausible if Berahino goes the other way.

However think Pulis and the recruitment team will be setting their sights on a more out an out Number 9 as a Rondon backup instead

Lets just all accept now that the Stoke player joining will be Crouch ;)

Crouch and Walters would be far more useful to us than Berahino is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 06, 2017, 10:39:17 AM
Crouch and Walters would be far more useful to us than Berahino is.

Bringing Sparky himself in as a striker would be more useful than that oaf is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popmonkey on January 06, 2017, 10:50:59 AM
As far as I'm concerned he stopped being an Albion player a long time ago.

A lot is made about how the squad bond together, and it just doesn't seem to me that he fits into the squad in that way, this is probably the main reason he was shipped out to France.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 06, 2017, 10:55:21 AM
Quote from: WBAinDEVON link=topic=2906.msg511760#msg51176that's e=1483693586
hes going to get roasted whenever he comes back. we all know in the right team he will be playing for england again within a year
Playing for England ? , he can't even get on our bench due to his attitude.
That won't leave him wherever he goes , he's a bad egg and thats unlikely to change.
So he's got himself fit (not match fit) and thinks he should be ahead of some of the squad thats having a good run ? Really ? . That attitude says it all for me , 1.5 months work in training doesnt mean you jump those that have grafted for 6 months imo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 06, 2017, 11:00:10 AM
Not keen on selling Saido to Stoke but Hughes is desperate , could be our last chance of getting a good fee.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 06, 2017, 11:28:58 AM
Video again on Instagram going for a run with the caption "They say I ain't fit #ok  >:( "

Doesn't help himself, but got to wonder what's going on now with him

I'll tell you he's not fit -  he's not fit enough to tie the boot laces of some of the past great goalscorers we've had :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 06, 2017, 11:47:56 AM
Crouch and Walters would be far more useful to us than Berahino is.

Wood and Walters would be far more useful to us than Berahino is. And at least Julie is a Baggie!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 06, 2017, 12:15:05 PM
Perfectly clear.

What are his bad points Coseley?

I'll get back to you on that  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 06, 2017, 12:24:42 PM
He put a snapchat up seemingly running with the quote they say I ain't fit enough and some angry faces.

Seriously can't wait for this whole drama to finish, I'm bored of it all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 06, 2017, 12:54:14 PM
He put a snapchat up seemingly running with the quote they say I ain't fit enough and some angry faces.

Seriously can't wait for this whole drama to finish, I'm bored of it all.

I haven't seen the snapchat post just the picture from it but I assume the players may have been told who will be playing against Derby tomorrow. I'm not making excuses as he's a complete bell end but he may have been told he's not going to be involved and with it being a cup tie he may have thought it was the perfect opportunity to get back in the squad.

I'm bored of it all too, in all honesty I'm not even that bothered what happens either way now as we've been doing well without him and not sure where he fits into the side anymore even if he is at his best.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 06, 2017, 12:56:04 PM
He put a snapchat up seemingly running with the quote they say I ain't fit enough and some angry faces.

Seriously can't wait for this whole drama to finish, I'm bored of it all.

If he had signed the contract then he'd be in the squad. We won't risk him whilst the window is open.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 06, 2017, 01:01:34 PM
not at the cost of the team but would love it if he was chosen to play against Derby and he was shown up for not being fit. wouldn't shut the knob up though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 06, 2017, 01:03:48 PM


Can he leave on a free this January or will he have to wait until the end of the season if he does not sign a contract?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 06, 2017, 01:09:24 PM

Can he leave on a free this January or will he have to wait until the end of the season if he does not sign a contract?

I'm not 100% sure but I believe he is free to discuss a pre-contract with foreign clubs, he couldn't actually leave on a free this month though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 06, 2017, 01:10:10 PM

Can he leave on a free this January or will he have to wait until the end of the season if he does not sign a contract?
he's contracted until summer 2017 so he wont leave on a free in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 06, 2017, 01:11:00 PM
I'm not 100% sure but I believe he is free to discuss a pre-contract with foreign clubs, he couldn't actually leave on a free this month though.

That makes sense, is he free to discuss terms with Premier league/domestic teams as well?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 06, 2017, 01:11:40 PM
That makes sense, is he free to discuss terms with Premier league/domestic teams as well?

I could be wrong but I don't think so.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 06, 2017, 01:17:46 PM
I could be wrong but I don't think so.

I think your right. It looks like it is 6 months for foreign leagues and 1 month for the same league.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on January 06, 2017, 02:25:33 PM
Whoever is in charge of this site,would you consider removing this section completely,i think that our fans are sick of him,hearing about him, and just want to delete him from our club,he has no respect for the club that has made his name.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: section5 on January 06, 2017, 02:32:59 PM
Whoever is in charge of this site,would you consider removing this section completely,i think that our fans are sick of him,hearing about him, and just want to delete him from our club,he has no respect for the club that has made his name.

I'd love that to be done by the end of this month, have a feeling he's going to waste away for another 6 months and do us over. Shame really on everyone's behalf that we couldn't get him to his potential on the pitch with us over past couple years then have a mutual, amicable parting of ways. Undeniably talented but undeniably a negative influence that has affected the  club as a whole. Onwards and upwards, much rather someone like HRK who might not be as naturally gifted , but has the right attitude and level of professionalism to represent the club on and off the pitch
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 06, 2017, 02:33:21 PM
I haven't seen the snapchat post just the picture from it but I assume the players may have been told who will be playing against Derby tomorrow. I'm not making excuses as he's a complete bell end but he may have been told he's not going to be involved and with it being a cup tie he may have thought it was the perfect opportunity to get back in the squad.

I'm bored of it all too, in all honesty I'm not even that bothered what happens either way now as we've been doing well without him and not sure where he fits into the side anymore even if he is at his best.
Exactly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 06, 2017, 02:37:10 PM
Can you imagine the days where any mention of him is in the 'Ex Players Thread'   ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darby009 on January 06, 2017, 03:28:26 PM
He really is a very petulant and immature individual. I agree that he hasn't been an Albion player for a very long time and I how get very bored whenever I see his name mentioned in an article.

He was a good player for 12 month in what we now realise more than ever was a poor side.  Given our attacking set up now and the players we have, even if he was fit I don't actually believe he is good enough to get in our starting line up..... he can't play Rondons role, isn't as good out wide as the current wide players and is not even fit to lace chadli's boots as a support just behind SR..... so to me if we lose him for nothing I really don't care.

The Saido supporters can say all they want but he will not be a loss, the deals we were offered for him were no where near the £20m mentioned... to get that amount and hit all the clauses he would,have had to score the winning goal in the World Cup final for England... in addition and not trying to sound arrogant any potential decent transfer fee now pales in to insignificance with the tv money now available due to what looks like another season pretty much secured in the prem and the wealth of our new owner who seems to be willing to invest funds...

For me I would love nothing more than to never hear his name in an article again, I believe he loves the controversy and loves everyone talking about him... I may be proven wrong but I think his career is already shot and he will turn out to be another flop similar to Francis Jeffers... he had one great season, got a move and plunged down the leagues into obscurity .....

Saying all this china are spending money on hasbeens so maybe we do have a chance of getting a wad for him lol....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2017, 03:39:56 PM
Can you imagine the days where any mention of him is in the 'Ex Players Thread'   ;D


exactly, we can carry on the debate in there
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on January 06, 2017, 04:20:13 PM
will he be or has he been disciplined by The Club over his use of social media? I work in an industry (banking) where there is an acceptable IT use policy and certainly showing disrespect for your employer would leave you potentially facing disciplinary procedures   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on January 06, 2017, 04:21:28 PM
Not going to show anymore interest to anything he does or say's. The "man" is a prize penis. The sooner he is gone the better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 06, 2017, 04:52:18 PM
Stoke have, apparently, asked us to name our price. I'd cut our losses and accept £10m now, assuming we'd get something similar at an end of season tribunal. We could then reinvest the £10m on his replacement.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 06, 2017, 08:41:16 PM
Ultimately, no matter how much we all might feel he has hurt our club with disrespect, it's HIS career he has willfully disassembled. He's spent what, 18 months is it, not sure, being a poor team player, and generally getting himself out of form.

We will boing back from this much more effectively than he will. You only have to see the team spirit on the pitch since he hasn't been around to know that.

If he can ever shrink his ego sufficiently that it fits back into his head (or his shorts, wherever the hell it is he keeps his brain) he might be a good player again. Can't see him doing it. If Pulis can't straighten him out I don't know who can.

I wonder if he notices on here he has hundreds of pages written about him and what he thinks. Oscar Wilde said 'there's only one thing worse than being talked about and that's NOT being talked about'. In this case I'd disagree.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 06, 2017, 11:44:24 PM
Lots of media reporting the Pulis/Saido fitness issue tomorrow, every transfer window turns into the Berahino saga, the sooner he's someone else's pain the better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 06, 2017, 11:50:51 PM
Ultimately, no matter how much we all might feel he has hurt our club with disrespect, it's HIS career he has willfully disassembled. He's spent what, 18 months is it, not sure, being a poor team player, and generally getting himself out of form.

We will boing back from this much more effectively than he will. You only have to see the team spirit on the pitch since he hasn't been around to know that.

If he can ever shrink his ego sufficiently that it fits back into his head (or his shorts, wherever the hell it is he keeps his brain) he might be a good player again. Can't see him doing it. If Pulis can't straighten him out I don't know who can.

I wonder if he notices on here he has hundreds of pages written about him and what he thinks. Oscar Wilde said 'there's only one thing worse than being talked about and that's NOT being talked about'. In this case I'd disagree.

This. Players will come and go. The club will always be here. We've obviously not struggled without him. Could say he's a bit bitter that we're doing so well without him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 07, 2017, 01:44:17 AM
I think TP is playing a dangerous financial game with his 'he's not fit comments'. There is clearly an ulterior motive in these regular comments but they could cost Albion millions at the end of the day. Berahino's agent could broker a deal with a foreign club that would give our club peanuts at the end of the day. Forget the mind games TP. Just sell him TP -- NOW.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 07, 2017, 02:01:24 AM
Don't know the closed door conversations the club and saido are like but the spat which has started again in another transfer window between TP and the striker is becoming tiresome just get the best price for him and move on as this looks bad for club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 07, 2017, 09:06:31 AM
He is refusing to sign a contract

It took 2 trips to a conditioning place and he still isn't fit, I'm sure there have been behind closed doors games he has played and still the management don't think he is fit enough

Why would play him when he clearly doesn't want to be here and other players have worked hard on their fitness and are happy to sign contracts and play here

Tell me the last player in our team that took to social media on a constant basis to force getting into the team or voice his displeasure at not being selected??

The guys an immature bell, one of these expectant millennial children who think they are special and deserve everything they want

Can't wait for him to go, we won't miss him, couldn't careless if he went on a free if I'm honest, if he goes free it means he's had to go abroad and his career has been stalled which he deserves as he is not humble enough to get his head down and earn a move

Can see him at Stoke tbh which will make him look a real bell as he will be making a sideways/backwards move which isn't the move he thinks he rightly deserves..not good enough for top 4/6 and not good enough for our first XI anymore

Anyone see the scripture quoted on his twitter?? Regarding gaining the world if you sell your soul...perhaps he should read his bible more and understand it before quoting scriptures to make him look god fearing...this guy will be selling his soul to the highest bidder!! Shows him up for the very thick person he is
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 08, 2017, 03:38:20 PM
Glasgow rangers interested?. Overseas club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 08, 2017, 04:18:31 PM
Glasgow rangers interested?. Overseas club

I'd love him to go there

The final piece in the dismantling of his career

Couldn't careless about him he is one of these millennial kids who thinks he is special no matter what

I can go for a jog infact I'm about to goto the gym and workout doesn't mean I'm fit
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 08, 2017, 05:04:45 PM
Rangers could never afford him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 08, 2017, 05:19:33 PM
Rangers can afford him when the agreement would be that he is sold on for £25m+ after never kicking a ball for them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 08, 2017, 05:21:11 PM
Rangers can afford him when the agreement would be that he is sold on for £25m+ after never kicking a ball for them.

Nobody would pay more than £10m for him based on his past two seasons
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 08, 2017, 05:25:04 PM
Nobody would pay more than £10m for him based on his past two seasons

How can you say that when we have turned down down offers double that in the last 6 months?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 08, 2017, 05:56:05 PM
Nobody would pay more than £10m for him based on his past two seasons

Would be in the summer when all they have to cover is a nominal tribunal fee and his wage/signing on fee.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on January 08, 2017, 06:03:03 PM
Just glad this saga is nearly over    i don't even consider him an Albion player he has been as good as useless to us for two years if he goes for £500,000 so be it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on January 08, 2017, 06:36:14 PM
Looked to me like he was running down the road to nowhere in that vid! 😂
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 08, 2017, 06:39:25 PM
Someone posted on Facebook that there is a clause in his contract that no matter what we receive at least 8 million for him wherever he goes once his contract expires

Don't believe it for a second but football does surprise you sometimes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 08, 2017, 06:43:07 PM
Can`t be true if your contract has expired you arn`t owned by the club that means you can do as you wish
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 08, 2017, 06:48:16 PM
Unless it's written into the last contract you sign

I agree I can't see it being true but like I said football suprises you sometimes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 08, 2017, 06:48:58 PM
good riddance
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 08, 2017, 06:53:23 PM
Unless it's written into the last contract you sign

I agree I can't see it being true but like I said football suprises you sometimes

Am sure it would be completely unenforceable.

I think whoever posted it is confusing it with the tribunal compensation system for Academy players under 24, but which is only applicable if the player signs for another English club, hence the interest from Rangers.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 08, 2017, 08:21:17 PM
If Berahino goes to Rangers at least in part to circumvent the tribunal system to ensure we don't get a fee then it is classic case of chopping his nose off to spite his face. He has to be able to do better for himself but if he wants to bury his career that's fine by me.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 08, 2017, 08:24:34 PM
If Berahino goes to Rangers at least in part to circumvent the tribunal system to ensure we don't get a fee then it is classic case of chopping his nose off to spite his face. He has to be able to do better for himself but if he wants to bury his career that's fine by me.

He'll form part of the case study of "Where did it all go wrong?".   Francis Jeffers, Michael Chopra, Ravel Morrison, Saido Berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 08, 2017, 08:42:05 PM
At the minute it is only fan speculation with odd bit of fire fueling from less reputable members of the press that he is going abroad to "stitch" the Albion up that I am aware of? The bloke knows his numbers up here and has been for a while. It is relatively common practise for a professional footballer to run down his contract to make himself more attractive to suitors, it has happened here before and will undoubtedly happen here again.
Personally,  I don't think we will get rid of him during this window because he knows that he will get a bigger signing on fee etc. in the summer. We will talk him up for the rest of the season how, we don't want him to go, whilst knowing he will not play again with various excuses  along the way (if he is "not fit" then I'd be sacking a good number of back room staff for not doing their job).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 08, 2017, 09:07:45 PM
Its not standard practice though to run down the last 2 years of that contract not playing hardly....

If you don't play you are not making yourself very attractive to suitors
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 08, 2017, 09:11:14 PM
Am sure it would be completely unenforceable.

I think whoever posted it is confusing it with the tribunal compensation system for Academy players under 24, but which is only applicable if the player signs for another English club, hence the interest from Rangers.

Possibly

Like I said I don't think its true but just putting it out there

Id love him to goto Rangers thinking its just a whistle stop on his way to another club for big money then it all fall through and he is stuck playing in Scotland

You can imagine the tantrums he would have then....they would be worse than they are now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 08, 2017, 09:14:12 PM
Possibly

Like I said I don't think its true but just putting it out there

Id love him to goto Rangers thinking its just a whistle stop on his way to another club for big money then it all fall through and he is stuck playing in Scotland

You can imagine the tantrums he would have then....they would be worse than they are now

We can but dream.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 08, 2017, 09:21:32 PM
Possibly

Like I said I don't think its true but just putting it out there

Id love him to goto Rangers thinking its just a whistle stop on his way to another club for big money then it all fall through and he is stuck playing in Scotland

You can imagine the tantrums he would have then....they would be worse than they are now

Rangers are a bigger club than any that he is likely to end up with in England in the summer.

I can't see any of the bigger or medium-sizes PL clubs being willing to do much mute than give him a one-year trial as he won't have really played for nearly 2 years.  Nobody in their right mind is going to give him the big fat signing on fee that he is so determined to get, because they'd only pay that if they were committing to a 3-year or 4-year contract to give them a chance of a financial return if he performs.  Nobody is going to pay him £5m to sign a one-year contract, and nobody is going to be stupid enough to give him a 3-year or 4-year contract.  He really has cooked his goose. 

Sadly there will be no winners here.

The best option is for him to go to somewhere in the PL right now, even if it's a club that he doesn't really fancy. He'd pick up £50k/£60k a week which is twice what Rangers could afford to pay him.




Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 08, 2017, 09:24:24 PM
Rangers are a bigger club than any that he is likely to end up with in England in the summer.

I can't see any of the bigger or medium-sizes PL clubs being willing to do much mute than give him a one-year trial as he won't have really played for nearly 2 years.  Nobody in their right mind is going to give him the big fat signing on fee that he is so determined to get, because they'd only pay that if they were committing to a 3-year or 4-year contract to give them a chance of a financial return if he performs.  Nobody is going to pay him £5m to sign a one-year contract, and nobody is going to be stupid enough to give him a 3-year or 4-year contract.  He really has cooked his goose. 

Sadly there will be no winners here.

The best option is for him to go to somewhere in the PL right now, even if it's a club that he doesn't really fancy. He'd pick up £50k/£60k a week which is twice what Rangers could afford to pay him.

Rangers are a big club...but the SPL is as good as League 1 down here....he would be better off signing for Walsall
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 08, 2017, 10:56:24 PM
I believe this bag of s**t is going to stitch the baggies up the best way he can Ranger`s will be one way to do this. I still believe and will never alter in my thinking that everyone at the club with any knowledge of the bag of s**t already know this and thats the reason he is not being involved it`s all bulls**t about him not being fit. We are known as one of the fittest clubs in the country and our fitness coaches would have him fit in no time he wants out and we want him out the truth will eventually come out .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 08, 2017, 10:59:27 PM
I believe this bag of s**t is going to stitch the baggies up the best way he can Ranger`s will be one way to do this. I still believe and will never alter in my thinking that everyone at the club with any knowledge of the bag of s**t already know this and thats the reason he is not being involved it`s all bulls**t about him not being fit. We are known as one of the fittest clubs in the country and our fitness coaches would have him fit in no time he wants out and we want him out the truth will eventually come out .

That's that cleared then, atleast we know pulis is full of sh*te for saying saido is not fit... atleast we have a manager who is honest to us fans  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 08, 2017, 11:01:39 PM
Its not standard practice though to run down the last 2 years of that contract not playing hardly....

If you don't play you are not making yourself very attractive to suitors

Pulis plays Rondon, he doesn't play Berahino, that is largely out of his hands. Berahino  is clearly confident enough to believe he is in sufficient demand to not sign the allegedly offered contract.
He might be wrong, only time will give us the answer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 08, 2017, 11:09:02 PM
Not Pulis fault Has to keep clubs interested and to be seen doing the right thing  to be totally honest just want him gone one way or another
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 08, 2017, 11:11:57 PM
Pulis plays Rondon, he doesn't play Berahino, that is largely out of his hands. Berahino  is clearly confident enough to believe he is in sufficient demand to not sign the allegedly offered contract.
He might be wrong, only time will give us the answer.

We don't even know the situation behind closed doors.

If pulis clearly isn't going to play him, he obviously ain't going to sign and commit to a club that's going to leave him on the bench or not even that.

I doubt he will go this window i think he will just run down his contract and we can all move on.


A bit of topic but a wolves fan at work, who also does taxi driving as a part time job was saying he has picked up and dropped off saido in the past when he was banned.... he also said he was the most down to earth polite guy he was shocked and couldn't believe it bare in mind it's a dog head and he couldn't stand the guy before he actually met him

Make of that what you will, but you can't argue and fight with yourself... as a club we ain't got the best reputation at dealing with players and pulis is definitely very stubborn and will say what he chooses he wants us to think and believe.

Any ridiculous comments or replies by muppets will be ignored as the hatred is very boring  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 08, 2017, 11:13:04 PM
Not Pulis fault Has to keep clubs interested and to be seen doing the right thing  to be totally honest just want him gone one way or another

Didn't say it was, but pulis is saying he ain't fit and your saying it's bullsh*t and he is fit...

So that sounds like your calling pulis a liar. Make your mind up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 08, 2017, 11:14:13 PM
this basically says what could happen if he doesn't sign a new contract.
 http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/866372182?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 08, 2017, 11:28:32 PM
A bit of topic but a wolves fan at work, who also does taxi driving as a part time job was saying he has picked up and dropped off saido in the past when he was banned.... he also said he was the most down to earth polite guy he was shocked and couldn't believe it bare in mind it's a dog head and he couldn't stand the guy before he actually met him

Make of that what you will, but you can't argue and fight with yourself... as a club we ain't got the best reputation at dealing with players and pulis is definitely very stubborn and will say what he chooses he wants us to think and believe.

Any ridiculous comments or replies by muppets will be ignored as the hatred is very boring  :P

To be fair, a Wolves supporting taxi driver and a passenger who is doing all he can to **** the Albion over sound like they would get on famously.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 09, 2017, 12:04:40 AM
To be fair, a Wolves supporting taxi driver and a passenger who is doing all he can to **** the Albion over sound like they would get on famously.

Maybe so, but why would he lie?

He's sat and had a genuine conversation and met the real saido...

What people on here haven't but still judge.

Like I've said many times I agree with everyone about the cock he has been, but currently there is more to it than 'saido trying to screw the club over'.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on January 09, 2017, 12:07:09 AM
hes finished and washed up in my opinion yep he may well get a move to another club but WBA PLC will be the biggest name as regards his acheivements on his CV,a yesterday man and someone elses problem come next season,thank heavens and soley down to himself for his demise >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wimbledon baggie on January 09, 2017, 12:50:10 AM
Maybe so, but why would he lie?

He's sat and had a genuine conversation and met the real saido...

What people on here haven't but still judge.

Like I've said many times I agree with everyone about the cock he has been, but currently there is more to it than 'saido trying to screw the club over'.

What is playing out here is a battle between JP and SB agent, Saido is the pawn. It seems the agent has won if the hatched plan works or lost big time if no one wants him and he is washed up. JP does not care as he has walked so the drama will just play out until the contract is gone. What we are all upset about is that WBA gave him the training and opportunity for more than 10 years and the decent thing would have been to sign a contract for £60K a week, play your football and try and make a top 4 team. Even if he and Pulis don't get on a 1 or 2 year contract would take him past 24 and he can then repay the Baggies for their development when he moves on. But no, we are seeing sheer greed at work on the agents behalf and he could well screw up SB career. If he goes for next to nothing and ever comes back to the Hawthorns for the oppo he will get a pretty rabid reception.

Whats disappointing is that Saido has not got the maturity to see that the agent is gambling with his career...he should take control, sign for Stoke for £6m this window (with a sell on clause) and play his way into form again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: breakfastbaggie on January 09, 2017, 01:27:27 AM
I always find it funny how scathing people can be on 23 year olds.  I'm not saying Berahino has been an angel, but people on here have 20, 30 in some cases 40 plus years on the kid.  Are you that far removed from being 23 that you don't remember all the dumb things you did at that age.   Throw fame, money and gigantic transfer offers and I'm not sure I would have been an angel at that age either.

Berahino is the most naturally gifted finisher on the team.  He's a striker not a winger.  He was never the type of player that was going to fit with the type of system Pulis wants to employ.  Why have they held on to him so long.  He went from being a very productive 21 year old to hardly hitting the pitch since then.  Why did they not sell him?  This would have benefited both the player and the club.   

Berahino needs to shoulder a lot of blame for the way he's handled himself, but Pulis has handled the player poorly as well.  The club could end up getting very little for depending on where he signs this summer.  He has hardly hit the pitch for 2 years, and the club could have sold him for a record amount.  The thought of getting next to nothing makes me very upset, and others on this board don't seem to care and blame Berahino.  Every player is an asset.  The team should have gotten more out of Berahino.  They should have sold him long ago.

P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 09, 2017, 01:42:05 AM
I always find it funny how scathing people can be on 23 year olds.  I'm not saying Berahino has been an angel, but people on here have 20, 30 in some cases 40 plus years on the kid.  Are you that far removed from being 23 that you don't remember all the dumb things you did at that age.   Throw fame, money and gigantic transfer offers and I'm not sure I would have been an angel at that age either.

Berahino is the most naturally gifted finisher on the team.  He's a striker not a winger.  He was never the type of player that was going to fit with the type of system Pulis wants to employ.  Why have they held on to him so long.  He went from being a very productive 21 year old to hardly hitting the pitch since then.  Why did they not sell him?  This would have benefited both the player and the club.   

Berahino needs to shoulder a lot of blame for the way he's handled himself, but Pulis has handled the player poorly as well.  The club could end up getting very little for depending on where he signs this summer.  He has hardly hit the pitch for 2 years, and the club could have sold him for a record amount.  The thought of getting next to nothing makes me very upset, and others on this board don't seem to care and blame Berahino.  Every player is an asset.  The team should have gotten more out of Berahino.  They should have sold him long ago.

P

A bit hard to sell him if he wasn't interested in joining any of the teams who were prepared to make a sensible offer. The only club he wanted to join was Spurs, who made a ridiculous offer which the club had no option but to turn down.  Newcastle is the one other club that he might have wanted to join, and in hindsight the club should have sold him to them rather than decline on the basis that they were relegation rivals.

My understanding is that he had no interest in signing for Stoke, Palace or Watford who were all keen. He might now be a little more open to going to one of those.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: telford baggie on January 09, 2017, 05:58:10 AM
I always find it funny how scathing people can be on 23 year olds.  I'm not saying Berahino has been an angel, but people on here have 20, 30 in some cases 40 plus years on the kid.  Are you that far removed from being 23 that you don't remember all the dumb things you did at that age.   Throw fame, money and gigantic transfer offers and I'm not sure I would have been an angel at that age either.

Berahino is the most naturally gifted finisher on the team.  He's a striker not a winger.  He was never the type of player that was going to fit with the type of system Pulis wants to employ.  Why have they held on to him so long.  He went from being a very productive 21 year old to hardly hitting the pitch since then.  Why did they not sell him?  This would have benefited both the player and the club.   

Berahino needs to shoulder a lot of blame for the way he's handled himself, but Pulis has handled the player poorly as well.  The club could end up getting very little for depending on where he signs this summer.  He has hardly hit the pitch for 2 years, and the club could have sold him for a record amount.  The thought of getting next to nothing makes me very upset, and others on this board don't seem to care and blame Berahino.  Every player is an asset.  The team should have gotten more out of Berahino.  They should have sold him long ago.

P
500k sounds a bargain dont care what we get for him aslong as he a long way away from west brom..if he ever comes and plays against us just put an angry mclean on him all game job done
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 09, 2017, 06:36:25 AM
I wonder if we could loan him to Walsall for the rest of the season?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 09, 2017, 07:53:03 AM
I wonder if we could loan him to Walsall for the rest of the season?

Do you think they would want him? Walsall have got enough problems as it is  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on January 09, 2017, 09:30:25 AM
Don't care where he goes or how much we get for him just want him gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 09, 2017, 09:33:13 AM
I`m sorry adam1109 you don`t get it do you IN MY OPINION the club have to be seen to be doing the right thing by Saido and Pulis is in the front line and my mind is made up Beras**t is fit and we will not play him take Friday`s press conference Pulis was indicating there was a chance he would be in the squad for Saturday`s match But they would rather have the 3 young lad`s on the bench than him. GET RID NOW
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 09, 2017, 10:46:22 AM
He is a stupid boy. Not sure if anyone has said that yet.  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 09, 2017, 11:24:10 AM
The worst part about all of this for me is that he is actually ridiculously highly rated on the new Football Manager, but it is confirmed on there that he leaves for free in the summer so you have no chance of persuading him otherwise. He has just banged in 25 goals for me as I came 5th in the first season and now he is jetting off to pastures new and I am left with Hal Robson-Kanu as my only striker (as Rondon went to PSG for £31m)  :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 09, 2017, 11:53:46 AM
May get to turn out for the U23's against the Vile at Kiddy tonight.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/saido-berahino-set-run-out-12424965 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/saido-berahino-set-run-out-12424965)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 09, 2017, 12:31:15 PM
He is a stupid boy. Not sure if anyone has said that yet.  ;)

I'm not sure either Mr Mannering
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 09, 2017, 05:58:21 PM
John Percy reporting Stoke are in talks with us over Berahino

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/01/09/stoke-reopen-saido-berahino-talks-west-brom-hope-finally-ending/


 9 January 2017 • 5:37pm

Stoke City have reopened talks with West Bromwich Albion in a bid to finally thrash out a deal for Saido Berahino.

Mark Hughes, the Stoke manager, is keen to end his protracted chase for the striker and remains hopeful of agreeing a price in this transfer window. Berahino, 23, has been offered a new contract worth £60,000 a week by Albion even though he has failed to make a first-team appearance since September.

His current deal runs out at the end of the season but the club are determined to protect one of their prized assets by persuading him to sign terms. But Stoke have resumed negotiations and are seeking a response over the amount of money it will take to prise Berahino out of the Hawthorns.

“Everybody is for sale. For every player the market is there. [Paul] Pogba wasn’t for sale then Manchester United made that unbelievable offer and he was sold," he said.



“You can’t say anybody is not for sale because everybody is for sale at a price, it’s just whether those prices match what you want, whether the players want to play there and whether a club selling want to sell, so there are always ifs, buts and maybes with it.


“There haven’t been many deals over the years that have not been done if people thought it was right for all parties."
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 09, 2017, 07:46:02 PM
I`m sorry adam1109 you don`t get it do you IN MY OPINION the club have to be seen to be doing the right thing by Saido and Pulis is in the front line and my mind is made up Beras**t is fit and we will not play him take Friday`s press conference Pulis was indicating there was a chance he would be in the squad for Saturday`s match But they would rather have the 3 young lad`s on the bench than him. GET RID NOW

Thank you!

Being a saido hater and an hater of anyone who criticises anything of the club... you have basically just said yourself pulis is full of sh*te.

For the record before you start screaming pulis hater like you normally do to everyone... I'm not pulis' biggest fan BUT I have gave him so much credit lately for the way he's had us playing... regardless if it's down to him or the return of brunt/mozza or the form of the likes of phillips.... I'm very happy they way he has us playing and the position we are in... gutted about being out of the cup but I see it as a positive in terms of just focusing on the league now so no excuses.

What I don't agree with is why saido is still here, pulis is still praising him talking like he's going to be involved but it's clear to everyone that it's not the case.

If pulis don't want to use him that's fine... but he's not fooling me so he definitely ain't fooling the millionaires who you seem to think he is trying to persuade to buy saido....

It's clear he's not going to use saido so...

1) why is he bullshitting us saying he's nearly ready etc etc (that's not going to make clubs want to sign him and if you think that then you obviously don't have a clue what your talking about.
2) saido ain't going to want to sign a new contract when he can see the gaffer has no intention of using him so it's pointless keep offering him one.

Saido has been a complete muppet... but since all his off the field antics have stopped he's got his head down and supported the club on social media..... but that's not negative so the media and the majority on here won't mention it or promote it.... apart from people judging his body weight when I can bet my mortgage that 95% of the people saying it are either underweight or overweight themselves.  ;D

Pulis needs to either stop being stubborn and use him whilst he's here or say to us and saido, there's no future at all here regardless, goodbye.

I do believe he's got no future here, it's just ridiculous how the bloke could go for a urine and he would have grown adults slagging him off and making stories out of it and the fact that pulis isn't being completely honest with the fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 09, 2017, 08:00:17 PM
Despite all the problems i would bury the past if he signs a new contact and plays for us or is sold either way giving something back to the club :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 09, 2017, 08:06:32 PM
Despite all the problems i would bury the past if he signs a new contact and plays for us or is sold either way giving something back to the club :o

Many wouldn't bury the past... which is very understandable, but people will moan and make rumours about the most petty and pointless things it's unreal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 09, 2017, 08:26:20 PM
I'm not sure either Mr Mannering

The very voice I used as I typed it!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 09, 2017, 09:53:04 PM
adamw1109  agree with most of what you said on Pulis and Bera { who scored 2 for under 23`s tonight} I just believe Pulis is saying what he is because he is being told to make it look like the club is doing the right thing and i am sorry but I will never forgive Bera no matter what if he sign`s and stays { no chance] i will cheer the goal`s but not him He`s s**t on the club more than once SO I just want him gone, one other thing I`m not Pulis`s greatest fan but the man was bought in to do a job I think he`s made a bloody good fist of it. If I did offend anyone it wasn`t meant. I do I try not to have a go at loyal players who are past there sell buy date as its not there fault if they are offered a new deal in there position you or most people would do the same. there are 3 or 4 player`s I would like to be shipped out who have been loyal to this club and I hope in the near future this will be rectfide. I hope that has given a little insight into my views on the Baggies .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on January 09, 2017, 10:22:48 PM
Scored twice tonight  :-\

West Bromwich Albion ‏@WBA  3m3 minutes ago
📷 FT. Albion 3 (Campbell 31, Berahino 39, 45) @AVFCOfficial 3 (O'Hare 11, McKirdy 23, Hepburn-Murphy 81)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 09, 2017, 10:34:34 PM
Reached his level  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 10, 2017, 06:33:36 AM
Scored twice tonight  :-\

West Bromwich Albion ‏@WBA  3m3 minutes ago
📷 FT. Albion 3 (Campbell 31, Berahino 39, 45) @AVFCOfficial 3 (O'Hare 11, McKirdy 23, Hepburn-Murphy 81)
.

Well done Saido  ;)
Now the club need to get rid of him, this saga's dragged on long enough.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 10, 2017, 09:23:21 AM
Don`t like rummers but picked this up off another site. My Stoke source tells me they expect to sign him for around 10m before the weekend. Hope this is true.But probably not  :-[
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on January 10, 2017, 09:36:19 AM
The word from a guy on the Oatcake who is regarded as being at least a little ITK was that they are very keen to get it sorted by the weekend as they are likely to have Crouch as their only fit striking option. Bony and Diouf are both away for the AFCON.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on January 10, 2017, 10:03:40 AM
Fingers crossed we snap off this reported £10 million and run.

The playing hardball experiment failed. Quicker we get him out, the quicker we can use the money to get a replacement in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 10, 2017, 10:12:52 AM
This saga simply needs to come to an end one way or the other this month. The club and Berahino need to move forward whether that be together or by going our separate ways, gone on for far too long.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 10, 2017, 10:14:50 AM
Being reported on Sky Sports now.....

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10723874/stoke-bid-for-west-brom-striker-saido-berahino-say-sky-sources
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 10, 2017, 12:25:29 PM
getting excited on the Oatcake again i see, dont take much does it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on January 10, 2017, 12:43:16 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4105288/Stoke-make-fresh-12m-bid-West-Brom-striker-Saido-Berahino.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
12 big ones id snatch their hands off for that but we all know Saido wont be going there as he has every intention of smacking WBA PLC across the face out of sheer spite and will end of the season waving bye bye is in my opinion what will happen
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 10, 2017, 12:47:18 PM
Seems that people at Albion and Stoke have denied an official bid has gone in for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on January 10, 2017, 03:20:12 PM
Reckon the only way we will get money for SB is to accept an offer from Stoke and then give SB a slice of the fee to sign for them. Otherwise he will walk away for nought and will he get a big signing on fee come the summer. He might be tempted to grab that lump of cash 6 months earlier., sad to say! He really can't lose can he.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 10, 2017, 03:56:42 PM
Fingers crossed we snap off this reported £10 million and run.

The playing hardball experiment failed. Quicker we get him out, the quicker we can use the money to get a replacement in.

It depends on how you class 'failed'? We fended off some awful awful bids for him that were in no way beneficial to us with all the add ons included, we didn't let a player hold the club hostage and will hopefully still get a fee. £10-12m now is better than the £5m + potentially f*ck all in add ons 18 months ago. Also remember a year ago we weren't scoring, had no time to get a replacement because suitors took the pee with late bids - it's easy in hindsight to say we should have took the money, but he's had 18 months to be rehabilitated and he's not bothered. He may have done though, hence the gamble.

Either way, hope he disappears into obscurity ASAP.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 10, 2017, 04:12:14 PM
Just read the Skysports feature. I was not aware that Newcastle had put a package forward last January that would have meant £21m up front. I can understand the club not accepting Spuds 'easy payments' offer, but £21m is a serious amount of money to refuse for this misfit....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 10, 2017, 04:17:14 PM
I would also have taken Newcastles bid at the time

Its whether he wanted to go there though??

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 10, 2017, 04:19:19 PM
have to question how accurate that info is from Sky Sports.

very few reliable media outlets these days
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 10, 2017, 04:21:15 PM
I would also have taken Newcastles bid at the time

Its whether he wanted to go there though??

Can understand that Tom but it says the offer was thrown out. That gives me the impression it was the clubs decision but I may be wrong.

I would have thought Newcastle would have been more appealing that the other suitors - except for Spuds.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on January 10, 2017, 04:28:42 PM
Someone told me in quite strong terms he did not want to go to Newcastle
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on January 10, 2017, 05:44:43 PM
Someone told me in quite strong terms he did not want to go to Newcastle

Maybe if they'd have offered a free pair of nice wooly gloves to play in every game over Autumn and Winter this could have sealed the deal!  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 10, 2017, 06:19:01 PM
Someone told me in quite strong terms he did not want to go to Newcastle

Brink of relegation? Didn't their bid come on the last day or two also? Think it was a mix of potential step down for the player, no time to replace. Had either them or Stoke bid in early January, he'd have gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 1954 on January 10, 2017, 06:33:42 PM
Brink of relegation? Didn't their bid come on the last day or two also? Think it was a mix of potential step down for the player, no time to replace. Had either them or Stoke bid in early January, he'd have gone.

Incorrect is my understanding. Directors of the club have stated the thinking was if we sold him to Newcastle ( or even Stoke) his goals may have kept them up & relegated us instead. I believe if some one like Spurs had made the same offer wthe club would have accepted it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 10, 2017, 07:15:28 PM
No reasonable offer refused I'm sure. With him sidelined for this season his value has plummeted even if it goes to a tribunal which it won't if he moves abroad. I don't believe that there is a bid on the table but Stoke and ourselves are in discussions. The major fly in the ointment is that the player might not want the move,  in my view he is lucky to have a Premier League Club interested in him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 10, 2017, 10:36:53 PM
adamw1109  agree with most of what you said on Pulis and Bera { who scored 2 for under 23`s tonight} I just believe Pulis is saying what he is because he is being told to make it look like the club is doing the right thing and i am sorry but I will never forgive Bera no matter what if he sign`s and stays { no chance] i will cheer the goal`s but not him He`s s**t on the club more than once SO I just want him gone, one other thing I`m not Pulis`s greatest fan but the man was bought in to do a job I think he`s made a bloody good fist of it. If I did offend anyone it wasn`t meant. I do I try not to have a go at loyal players who are past there sell buy date as its not there fault if they are offered a new deal in there position you or most people would do the same. there are 3 or 4 player`s I would like to be shipped out who have been loyal to this club and I hope in the near future this will be rectfide. I hope that has given a little insight into my views on the Baggies .
When Pulis came in, Berahino became the wrong player at the wrong club. If he had been playing for another club we would never be linked with him because he doesn't fit into the Pulisball model. It happens in football. Pulis played him until he could bring someone else in. You say that he has dumped on the club, it could be equally said the club have dumped on him.
He will be gone soon and we shall see how much of a toll a lack of Premier League football will have taken. He will still be our current most successful academy graduate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 10, 2017, 11:02:48 PM
When Pulis came in, Berahino became the wrong player at the wrong club. If he had been playing for another club we would never be linked with him because he doesn't fit into the Pulisball model. It happens in football. Pulis played him until he could bring someone else in. You say that he has dumped on the club, it could be equally said the club have dumped on him.
He will be gone soon and we shall see how much of a toll a lack of Premier League football will have taken. He will still be our current most successful academy graduate.

Just like the whole contract signing issue... would anyone in the right mind sign a contract to a club if they felt they weren't going to be playing? (That obviously shows its not about the 60k a week and he obviously wants to go elsewhere to play football - i see no one is slagging him off for showing off on social media about how happy he was to get 90 mins under his belt last night were they? - nope because its not negative).

Regardless if people like it or not, you don't just 'lose talent', he will go elsewhere, maybe take a season to settle in, get upto speed and gel with the squad... have a cracking season there the season after and all the prem clubs will be keeping a close eye on him to see how he progresses.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on January 10, 2017, 11:20:12 PM
Just like the whole contract signing issue... would anyone in the right mind sign a contract to a club if they felt they weren't going to be playing? (That obviously shows its not about the 60k a week and he obviously wants to go elsewhere to play football - i see no one is slagging him off for showing off on social media about how happy he was to get 90 mins under his belt last night were they? - nope because its not negative).

Regardless if people like it or not, you don't just 'lose talent', he will go elsewhere, maybe take a season to settle in, get upto speed and gel with the squad... have a cracking season there the season after and all the prem clubs will be keeping a close eye on him to see how he progresses.
id take that crystal ball back mate its obviously a defective one
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ian66 on January 10, 2017, 11:28:37 PM
id take that crystal ball back mate its obviously a defective one
When his playing in a team that play to his strengths we will see if adamw1109 is right mate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 10, 2017, 11:49:39 PM
He may go somewhere and do well, I couldn't careless he can score the winning goal in a UCL Final and again I couldn't care

I want him out of this club he has caused more issues across more transfer windows than Odemwingie and Anelka

He can go with my absolute blessing to a rival I really don't care

He hasn't played for 18 months we won't miss him

He will go elsewhere and I'll guarantee he will cause some kind of trouble
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 10, 2017, 11:50:33 PM
id take that crystal ball back mate its obviously a defective one

I was told roughly the same a few transfer windows ago about him still being here and playing in a west bromwich albion shirt again, dont be so bitter  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 11, 2017, 12:01:18 AM
Well at least we can guarantee that no matter what this window or the summer he will be gone

I'm taking a lot of heart from that

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Rybs on January 11, 2017, 12:45:50 AM
Bit of a sad story for me this one, the lads dream big move to spurs didn't happen as the payment package wasn't right, he kicked off... following bids were from clubs who we saw as more or less direct competitors at the time.
Saido dealt with it wrongly but Spurs made no secret they really wanted him... they can't go without blame, nor can Pulis afterwards for giving him limited game time and also playing him out of position if memory serves me correctly?
Circumstances were wrong and I think he's been tarnished with most of the blame when in the grand scheme of things what he did wasn't too bad, was it? Young lad gets the chance to move to a club challenging for titles and playing Champions league football, of course he'll want to go!
The quicker this is resolved the better in my eyes, draw a line under it and move on, if he doesn't want to be here and we don't want him here then there's better things to discuss and worry about.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 11, 2017, 01:39:01 AM
there's a good chance Saido will move to Stoke but I think it might depend if Wilfried Bony is allowed to join Besiktas on loan thus leaving Stoke short up front.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on January 11, 2017, 09:04:52 AM
Just like the whole contract signing issue... would anyone in the right mind sign a contract to a club if they felt they weren't going to be playing? (That obviously shows its not about the 60k a week and he obviously wants to go elsewhere to play football - i see no one is slagging him off for showing off on social media about how happy he was to get 90 mins under his belt last night were they? - nope because its not negative).

Regardless if people like it or not, you don't just 'lose talent', he will go elsewhere, maybe take a season to settle in, get upto speed and gel with the squad... have a cracking season there the season after and all the prem clubs will be keeping a close eye on him to see how he progresses.

I would imagine that we made the increasing contract offers in the knowledge that Saido wouldn't accept them. I guess these were done to add weight to our argument with the tribunal fee;  eg.  We have turned down bids up to £23m. The player himself has rejected a £60k p.w. contract = he must command a big fee
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 11, 2017, 10:05:19 AM
Still can`t see why some fan`s still want him at club for eighteen months now he has sat on his a**e doing nothing except posting incryptic remarks on social media as you all know i for one will be glad to see the back of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: chippyclarke on January 11, 2017, 10:09:24 AM
Bit of a sad story for me this one, the lads dream big move to spurs didn't happen as the payment package wasn't right, he kicked off... following bids were from clubs who we saw as more or less direct competitors at the time.
Saido dealt with it wrongly but Spurs made no secret they really wanted him... they can't go without blame, nor can Pulis afterwards for giving him limited game time and also playing him out of position if memory serves me correctly?
Circumstances were wrong and I think he's been tarnished with most of the blame when in the grand scheme of things what he did wasn't too bad, was it? Young lad gets the chance to move to a club challenging for titles and playing Champions league football, of course he'll want to go!
The quicker this is resolved the better in my eyes, draw a line under it and move on, if he doesn't want to be here and we don't want him here then there's better things to discuss and worry about.
He should have accepted  what happened and got on with improving his playing skills and almost certainly, a bigger club still would have come after him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on January 11, 2017, 10:24:05 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-transfer-rumours-blues-enter-12435377
Now this I can see happening if true
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 11, 2017, 10:58:31 AM
Palace interested in shipping Benteke out as they want to create funds for Big Sam to stregnthen and they are also interested in Berahino. I'd love it if we could ship Berahino out and Benteke in. For me that would be the ideal player to bring in upfront, and he was Pulis's No.1 target last summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on January 11, 2017, 11:14:48 AM
Palace interested in shipping Benteke out as they want to create funds for Big Sam to stregnthen and they are also interested in Berahino. I'd love it if we could ship Berahino out and Benteke in. For me that would be the ideal player to bring in upfront, and he was Pulis's No.1 target last summer.

Always seemed bone idle to me. Big Sam hooked him off against Swansea. Says a lot about him really. For the kind of money they would want, I wouldn't go anywhere near him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 11, 2017, 12:19:35 PM
Just seen the under 23 highlights , muscle or fat he's some size now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: letmereadposts on January 11, 2017, 12:31:16 PM
He is refusing to sign a contract

It took 2 trips to a conditioning place and he still isn't fit, I'm sure there have been behind closed doors games he has played and still the management don't think he is fit enough

Why would play him when he clearly doesn't want to be here and other players have worked hard on their fitness and are happy to sign contracts and play here

Tell me the last player in our team that took to social media on a constant basis to force getting into the team or voice his displeasure at not being selected??

The guys an immature bell, one of these expectant millennial children who think they are special and deserve everything they want

Can't wait for him to go, we won't miss him, couldn't careless if he went on a free if I'm honest, if he goes free it means he's had to go abroad and his career has been stalled which he deserves as he is not humble enough to get his head down and earn a move

Can see him at Stoke tbh which will make him look a real bell as he will be making a sideways/backwards move which isn't the move he thinks he rightly deserves..not good enough for top 4/6 and not good enough for our first XI anymore

Anyone see the scripture quoted on his twitter?? Regarding gaining the world if you sell your soul...perhaps he should read his bible more and understand it before quoting scriptures to make him look god fearing...this guy will be selling his soul to the highest bidder!! Shows him up for the very thick person he is

Agreed he needs to go. I don't think he's worth as much as being quoted and the value of making him an example and showing clubs we won't be played is immeasurable.

On a side note harsh on the millenials though - statistically the most well-behaved, healthy and also on course to be the first generation since ww2 to be worse off than parents! Give them - but not Saido of course - a break :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 11, 2017, 01:02:34 PM
Just seen the under 23 highlights , muscle or fat he's some size now.
especially his legs, they're huge.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 11, 2017, 01:14:56 PM
Just seen the highlights, he looks very big still  :o

I imagine, in an Anichebe way, a lot of it could well be muscle now, but for someone naturally skinny like him, I don't think that level of muscle would be good for his fitness and performance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 11, 2017, 01:25:26 PM
Always seemed bone idle to me. Big Sam hooked him off against Swansea. Says a lot about him really. For the kind of money they would want, I wouldn't go anywhere near him.

Benteke another one who had a good season got a dream move and fell off the radar
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 11, 2017, 01:43:58 PM
Benteke another one who had a good season got a dream move and fell off the radar

As much as I agree, Benteke can go missing, to intimate he's a one season wonder is crazy. Since moving to the Premier League, he's scored 59 goals in 136 appearances. Many in a shi**y Villa side that is struggling and along in a Palace side that is struggling. If anyone says that Benteke wouldn't be a fantastic signing, I seriously have to question their knowledge of the game and their sanity!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on January 11, 2017, 02:15:34 PM
Just seen the highlights, he looks very big still  :o

I imagine, in an Anichebe way, a lot of it could well be muscle now, but for someone naturally skinny like him, I don't think that level of muscle would be good for his fitness and performance.

And he was never lightning quick so I imagine he would be even slower now if he plays again for us.

I still think his best option is to stay at us and play games for us (if he gets into the team), he will never become the player he could have but he could still go some way to that staying at us.

If he leaves/goes abroad his career will plummet further.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kendover on January 11, 2017, 02:25:01 PM
Totally agree
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ripryan1971 on January 11, 2017, 03:25:08 PM
For me Benteke doesn't fit the way Pulis plays in terms of, he likes Rondon to work the channels etc, Benteke is lazy, and wants to stand in a certain area all game. Not sure i wanna go near him myself
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 11, 2017, 03:50:17 PM
As much as I agree, Benteke can go missing, to intimate he's a one season wonder is crazy. Since moving to the Premier League, he's scored 59 goals in 136 appearances. Many in a shi**y Villa side that is struggling and along in a Palace side that is struggling. If anyone says that Benteke wouldn't be a fantastic signing, I seriously have to question their knowledge of the game and their sanity!

Clearly I knowe naff all about the game and have mental issues.
My take is,
Benteke of 3 years ago was good, Benteke today is a major gamble and at "reportedly" £30m and £120k / wk you don't take gambles!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 11, 2017, 03:54:01 PM
Guys can we please keep this topic about Saido please there is another thread where Benteke can be discussed
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ripryan1971 on January 11, 2017, 03:55:15 PM
Villa set up there team to totally suit Benteke and got the benefits.

Liverpool didn't and he was useless.

Palace i must admit was a perfect fit but he seems to be getting lazier.

No way will Pulis play Rondon and Benteke upfront together, so you wanna pay 20-30m for someone to be rotated all the time maybe?

Pulis said he wants players who are straight into the 1st team, only my views folks and i could be wrong.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 11, 2017, 03:55:27 PM
oops sorry, my error !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 11, 2017, 05:33:34 PM
And he was never lightning quick so I imagine he would be even slower now if he plays again for us.

I still think his best option is to stay at us and play games for us (if he gets into the team), he will never become the player he could have but he could still go some way to that staying at us.

If he leaves/goes abroad his career will plummet further.


Feel the exact opposite, while Pulis is here, Saido has no future at Albion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on January 11, 2017, 05:48:08 PM
Feel the exact opposite, while Pulis is here, Saido has no future at Albion.

Why is Pulis the factor in him having no future?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 11, 2017, 05:50:30 PM
Why is Pulis the factor in him having no future?

Because he's not a lone frontman and isn't good enough to take one of the 3 attacking midfield roles. I don't envisage us ever playing with 2 strikers during Pulis' tenure.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on January 11, 2017, 08:59:46 PM
Jacko might be right on this one in fairness. In a line up where you play 3 forwards (either through the centre or as a wide forward) or 2 forwards, he can still be a great success.

Pulis does however prefer just the one big man up front it seems and he clearly does not see eye to eye with the manager so I don't see any real future for him here now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 11, 2017, 09:05:28 PM
Pulis could be saying the fitness stuff to help our case at the tribunal too. I suppose if we're not going to sell him or play him we might as well make out that we really want to keep him and use him but we can't possibly because he's not keeping himself fit etc etc. If we just didn't want to play him, it wouldn't help our case at the tribunal trying to say he's so valuable for us but we've lost money as he's gone on a free. Whereas if we make out that the player isn't trying to get fit - sending him on 2 camps then we come out looking better, maybe ultimately getting more money. Just a thought
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 12, 2017, 02:18:38 PM
who has he performed his best football under whilst here, legends hero maybe or maybe mine :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on January 13, 2017, 11:55:45 AM
Come on Sparky, come and take him away
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 13, 2017, 12:18:14 PM
Come on Sparky, come and take him away
Just watched him on sky sports talking about Saido, he looked and sounded a bit drunk off hinting they are interested in signing him but we aint making it easy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on January 13, 2017, 12:21:58 PM
Saido has every intention of having us over the coals and will not I repeat will not leave in this window the spiteful fat @rseole that he is
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies_24 on January 13, 2017, 12:30:07 PM
Just watched him on sky sports talking about Saido, he looked and sounded a bit drunk off hinting they are interested in signing him but we aint making it easy.

The bloke moans about everything. If he does go to Stoke I hope we bend Hughes over the table.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 13, 2017, 01:41:35 PM
Just watched him on sky sports talking about Saido, he looked and sounded a bit drunk off hinting they are interested in signing him but we aint making it easy.

I am sure SB will only go there if there isn't a more attractive option available to him.

I'd rather the club just came out and said "the fee is £10m, anyone agreeing to meet that fee is free to talk to the player to agree personal terms and he can choose who he goes to"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 13, 2017, 03:02:50 PM
I am sure SB will only go there if there isn't a more attractive option available to him.

I'd rather the club just came out and said "the fee is £10m, anyone agreeing to meet that fee is free to talk to the player to agree personal terms and he can choose who he goes to"

This is Albion though we are talking about. We would never disclose a fee that we wanted publicly (JP training) i feel that if several clubs and interested and desperate to do a deal this window, we could be looking at 14 to 15 million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 13, 2017, 03:28:53 PM
There was talk about us enquiring about Bojan from Stoke. Would anyone take a swap deal for Berahino?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 13, 2017, 03:32:33 PM
A couple of years ago I would have loved Bojan, but he never seems to have recovered from that awful injury he had. Worrying that he is unable to get into the Stoke team really, particularly with the injuries they have had.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 13, 2017, 03:47:48 PM
A couple of years ago I would have loved Bojan, but he never seems to have recovered from that awful injury he had. Worrying that he is unable to get into the Stoke team really, particularly with the injuries they have had.

Yes when they brought Bojan / Shaqiri and was it Arnautovic all at the same time, i thought that they would really kick on. Hasn't really worked out for them has it  :D ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 13, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
There was talk about us enquiring about Bojan from Stoke. Would anyone take a swap deal for Berahino?

Linked with an £8mill move to Boro' earlier today.

Ironically, it's rumoured any such move may depend on Berahino going to Stoke.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jan/13/middlesbrough-stoke-bojan-krkic-hopeful (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jan/13/middlesbrough-stoke-bojan-krkic-hopeful)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 14, 2017, 12:36:09 AM
Fat boy seems to be valued at 14million if you believe report's could be we are insisting on a big percentage in a sell on clause as he has the ability to become a top striker
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 14, 2017, 12:40:07 AM
Fat boy seems to be valued at 14million if you believe report's could be we are insisting on a big percentage in a sell on clause as he has the ability to become a top striker
would rip there arm off if we got anywhere near that figure.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 14, 2017, 06:33:45 AM
would rip there arm off if we got anywhere near that figure.

Yep I'll just be glad to see the back of him whether he becomes the all time England International top scorer or not.
He'll always be remembered here as an backside and not what he could have been
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 14, 2017, 06:30:01 PM
And what a size that a**e has become :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 14, 2017, 06:37:05 PM
And what a size that a**e has become :P
Too big to even get on the bench.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 15, 2017, 12:25:56 AM
It was only a matter of time before some lame brained hack put two and two together and went "Berahino to Stoke and er Bojan to West Brom. Yeah that works jobs a good 'un file it and f*ck off down the pub"

And here it is for your entertainment

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/754206/Stoke-set-use-this-star-bait-sign-wantaway-West-Brom-striker-Saido-Berahino-News-Gossip

Stoke set to use this star as bait to sign wantaway West Brom striker Saido Berahino

STOKE CITY could be preparing to sweeten a deal for number one transfer target Saido Berahino before the end of the transfer window.

By NEIL FISSLER
PUBLISHED: 22:30, Sat, Jan 14, 2017

Stoke are determined to sign West Brom striker Saido Berahino
The England under-21 international hasn’t played for West Brom since September because of a lack of fitness.

Mark Hughes has made three bids for Berahino who is out of contract at the end of the season and is refusing terms to sign a new deal.

But it has emerged that The Baggies are interested in signing Stoke’s Spanish forward Bojan who has subject of an enquiry from Middlesbrough.

Bojan who is rated at £12million is unsettled wanting a move for more regular first team football and could be used as bait to land Berahino.

Berahino is on the radar of Italian sides Inter Milan and Roma who have been able open talks about a free move in the summer since the start of the month.


It must be nice to get paid to write this bollox. The story has more holes in it than a Swiss Cheese.

1. There has to be a real doubt that Saido wants to go to Stoke
2. Pulis and Bojan is not an obvious marriage not least because there have been questions about Bojan's work ethic
3. Bojan no more cover for Rondon than Berahino

Not to mention when was the last swap deal that actually happened? Countless stories in the press but they never seem to happen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on January 15, 2017, 12:36:25 AM
It was only a matter of time before some lame brained hack put two and two together and went "Berahino to Stoke and er Bojan to West Brom. Yeah that works jobs a good 'un file it and f*ck off down the pub"

And here it is for your entertainment

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/754206/Stoke-set-use-this-star-bait-sign-wantaway-West-Brom-striker-Saido-Berahino-News-Gossip

Stoke set to use this star as bait to sign wantaway West Brom striker Saido Berahino

STOKE CITY could be preparing to sweeten a deal for number one transfer target Saido Berahino before the end of the transfer window.

By NEIL FISSLER
PUBLISHED: 22:30, Sat, Jan 14, 2017

Stoke are determined to sign West Brom striker Saido Berahino
The England under-21 international hasn’t played for West Brom since September because of a lack of fitness.

Mark Hughes has made three bids for Berahino who is out of contract at the end of the season and is refusing terms to sign a new deal.

But it has emerged that The Baggies are interested in signing Stoke’s Spanish forward Bojan who has subject of an enquiry from Middlesbrough.

Bojan who is rated at £12million is unsettled wanting a move for more regular first team football and could be used as bait to land Berahino.

Berahino is on the radar of Italian sides Inter Milan and Roma who have been able open talks about a free move in the summer since the start of the month.


It must be nice to get paid to write this bollox. The story has more holes in it than a Swiss Cheese.

1. There has to be a real doubt that Saido wants to go to Stoke
2. Pulis and Bojan is not an obvious marriage not least because there have been questions about Bojan's work ethic
3. Bojan no more cover for Rondon than Berahino

Not to mention when was the last swap deal that actually happened? Countless stories in the press but they never seem to happen.

Can someone please tell me the last time a swap deal was used in the premier league? These deals are long gone. I think the journalist has been playing to much football manager.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: CL3MO on January 15, 2017, 05:10:02 PM
Can this just please end? The amount of regurgitated comments from both sides became tiresome 12 months ago, let alone now...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangeminbob on January 16, 2017, 09:00:20 PM
Just get rid of berahino he's wasted his own career and time at the Albion take anything for him two goldfish would show more effort
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 18, 2017, 08:28:32 AM
If Stoke really have bid £10m WTF hasn't he gone yet??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 18, 2017, 08:31:16 AM
If Stoke really have bid £10m WTF hasn't he gone yet??

Even if they did, and we accepted it, he would still have to agree terms.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 18, 2017, 09:16:39 AM
Even if they did, and we accepted it, he would still have to agree terms.

Everything points to him being not being interested in going to Stoke
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on January 18, 2017, 09:29:41 AM
Why wouldn't you be interested in moving to Stoke?

It's lovely on a cold Wednesday night in January
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on January 18, 2017, 09:30:40 AM
The club have officially stated that we have received no offers for Berahino this month.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 18, 2017, 09:51:52 AM
Expect similar goings on this transfer window

Poor offers at 11pm on 31st Jan

Bosman broke football completely, it pushed wages up to a point they have spiralled out of control for relatively average players and after a club spends millions buying a player it still means they lose the right to his registration which is effectively what you are buying

When the Bosman rule came in transfer fees should have been abolished and wage caps introduced

Berahino isn't going this window I'm sure of that he will go at the end of the season where he can get the most lucrative deal

Expect a Chelsea or Man City to take him, fill homegrown quotas and sit him on the bench or reserves for a few years before loaning him to Stoke or somewhere
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 18, 2017, 09:57:32 AM
Expect similar goings on this transfer window

Poor offers at 11pm on 31st Jan

Bosman broke football completely, it pushed wages up to a point they have spiralled out of control for relatively average players and after a club spends millions buying a player it still means they lose the right to his registration which is effectively what you are buying

When the Bosman rule came in transfer fees should have been abolished and wage caps introduced

Berahino isn't going this window I'm sure of that he will go at the end of the season where he can get the most lucrative deal

Expect a Chelsea or Man City to take him, fill homegrown quotas and sit him on the bench or reserves for a few years before loaning him to Stoke or somewhere

He was pictured at a basketball game with Chiloba and Reuben Loftus-Cheek the other day.....

Cue wild speculation  ;D .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on January 18, 2017, 01:51:35 PM
i dont agree with the views on bosman.

Clubs are still prepared to pay millions for a player - but only are buying out the club's interest in their contract - not indefinite registration rights. Its not right that a club should have a financial interest in the player beyond their contract.

Even for young players, this pushes their cost up. Contracts are bi-lateral. Ie both parties have obligations and rights under them. If you sign a player for five years, then he is yours unless his contract is bought out. At the end of that five years, the club should get nothing.

We may get nothing for berahino - but that's our club's fault for not managing the situation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 18, 2017, 10:30:25 PM
i dont agree with the views on bosman.

Clubs are still prepared to pay millions for a player - but only are buying out the club's interest in their contract - not indefinite registration rights. Its not right that a club should have a financial interest in the player beyond their contract.

Even for young players, this pushes their cost up. Contracts are bi-lateral. Ie both parties have obligations and rights under them. If you sign a player for five years, then he is yours unless his contract is bought out. At the end of that five years, the club should get nothing.

We may get nothing for berahino - but that's our club's fault for not managing the situation.
The only thing the club could have done any differently was to accept the original offer from Spurs, which was so staggered as to be unacceptable at the time. All the other interest has been from clubs Berahino wouldn,t move to, so how do you come to the conclusion that it's the club's fault exactly?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 18, 2017, 10:44:48 PM
Wonder how this one will go, if there's any truth in it.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/867954701?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 18, 2017, 10:46:23 PM
Wonder how this one will go, if there's any truth in it.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/867954701?-11200:789:0

I'm convinced Saido is not remotely interested in a move to Stoke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 18, 2017, 11:00:24 PM
I'm convinced Saido is not remotely interested in a move to Stoke.
career wise I can see why it wouldn't interest him, financially he's better off waiting 6 months. not the best situation for the club 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 18, 2017, 11:02:12 PM
i dont agree with the views on bosman.

Clubs are still prepared to pay millions for a player - but only are buying out the club's interest in their contract - not indefinite registration rights. Its not right that a club should have a financial interest in the player beyond their contract.

Even for young players, this pushes their cost up. Contracts are bi-lateral. Ie both parties have obligations and rights under them. If you sign a player for five years, then he is yours unless his contract is bought out. At the end of that five years, the club should get nothing.

We may get nothing for berahino - but that's our club's fault for not managing the situation.

I don't think a club should have the indefinite rights to a player

But, I also dont think they should go without a fee at the end of a contract I've never liked it if I'm honest

I'm not saying you can withhold registration but if there was a slide rule scale based on age previous fee, size of contract and length to determine a tribunal fee no matter what it would mean clubs would still get something back, this only helped big clubs and the players rise in wages in hindsight, those clubs that relied on a fee for a player too survive lose out big time.

Look how wages have spiralled, look how players like Berahino act knowing they can leave for free and still get sizeable wages elsewhere having seen out their contracts...look at Payet..huge contract long term, less than 11 months later he goes on strike to get a move

I do love football but the game has been ruined







Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 18, 2017, 11:04:05 PM
i dont agree with the views on bosman.

Clubs are still prepared to pay millions for a player - but only are buying out the club's interest in their contract - not indefinite registration rights. Its not right that a club should have a financial interest in the player beyond their contract.

Even for young players, this pushes their cost up. Contracts are bi-lateral. Ie both parties have obligations and rights under them. If you sign a player for five years, then he is yours unless his contract is bought out. At the end of that five years, the club should get nothing.

We may get nothing for berahino - but that's our club's fault for not managing the situation.

And we refused to sell to relegation rivals who did make bids and we are still in the premier league where as Newcastle are not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 18, 2017, 11:08:37 PM
As you know I dislike Bera with a passion but fan`s keep saying that he would not go to Stoke well surely they would have done there homework and would know already if he would want to join them or they would not keep trying
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on January 18, 2017, 11:29:46 PM
If we've reached an agreement with Stoke, I think he'd be daft to turn down the chance. Does he really think he will be top of Tottenham or Man U's shopping list in the summer? And if he did get a move to either of those clubs, he'd be spending most of his time warming the bench. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 18, 2017, 11:30:05 PM
I'm convinced Saido is not remotely interested in a move to Stoke.

I agree.  If he does go there, then it would be only after he knows that Spurs and Everton, and possibly West Ham, don't want him.  Those are his 3 best options of a "big club", unless he is willing to go to Newcastle.

He knows, and Spurs know, that they want each other. On the last day of the transfer window Spurs could offer £8m to £10m even if Stoke offer £14m. If he won't go to Stoke then it doesn't matter how much they are offering.

Ultimately I think it will boil down to whether Spurs want him now, or whether they will wait till the summer.  It will cost them around £8m-£10m in tribunal anyway, so they'd be no better off waiting till the summer. Similarly, SB would get the same signing-on fee from them now as he would in summer because Spurs would be shelling out the same to sign him.  The only way it would all differ is if he goes abroad to convert the tribunal fee or a transfer fee into a signing-on fee as a free agent.  Is he prepared to take a risk that Spurs won't come back for him later if he goes abroad?  Given their league position, their lack of goalscoring back-up for Kane, I think they will push to get him now.

I think it will be £8m-£10m to Spurs on deadline day, and Stoke's latest move might just enable him to use it to force Spurs to make an earlier move but after what happened in August 2015 with Spurs I think they'll have it all sewn up with his agent already.

It would be interesting to see what happens if we accept Stoke's £12m offer tomorrow and give him permission to speak to them. Yes, that would confirm that we will accept £12m and maybe bring Everton or West Ham into play, but only if he hasn't already sewn up an arrangement with Spurs. I know where my money would be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on January 19, 2017, 08:30:45 AM
I would love to wake up one morning at see the headline - West Brom accept £12m bid for Berahino from Stoke. Love it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 19, 2017, 08:48:02 AM
I think he is fluent in French so could he be looking to move out there?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 19, 2017, 08:55:43 AM
Hasn't he gone yet, this has got way beyond boredom.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on January 19, 2017, 05:11:49 PM
Rob Dorsett ‏@RobDorsettSky  5m5 minutes ago
#scfc and #wbafc deal for Saido Berahino "getting closer": Sky Sources. WBA want #watford striker Odion Ighalo, but only if they sell Saido.
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Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 19, 2017, 05:19:02 PM
Rob Dorsett ‏@RobDorsettSky  5m5 minutes ago
#scfc and #wbafc deal for Saido Berahino "getting closer": Sky Sources. WBA want #watford striker Odion Ighalo, but only if they sell Saido.
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Seems like they will only sell saido IF we get Ighalo, not the other way around.... plus, we then have to hope saido is willing to go to stoke
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on January 19, 2017, 05:59:06 PM
Rob Dorsett ‏@RobDorsettSky  5m5 minutes ago
#scfc and #wbafc deal for Saido Berahino "getting closer": Sky Sources. WBA want #watford striker Odion Ighalo, but only if they sell Saido.
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bearing in mind we have zero intention of playing Saido anyway you would think the deal for Ighalo has zero to do with if Saido goes or not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on January 19, 2017, 06:02:59 PM
If this deal means we end up getting Livermore for nothing then it doesn't look too bad, it's got to be a no brainier to sell now.

Ighalo plus making another centre back a priority would be a decent window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2017, 09:39:22 AM
stokies in meltdown after Pulis said they have not bid enough
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on January 20, 2017, 11:47:27 AM
If a figure of around £6 million has, as reported, been offered, that would be too cheap.
If Stoke are that keen to get him, surely they have at least one player they could tempt us with in a 2-way deal, who we would be happy to take.  I'd take Jonathon Walters plus cash.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 20, 2017, 12:03:59 PM
If a figure of around £6 million has, as reported, been offered, that would be too cheap.
If Stoke are that keen to get him, surely they have at least one player they could tempt us with in a 2-way deal, who we would be happy to take.  I'd take Jonathon Walters plus cash.

I wouldn't be too surprised to hear the name Mame Diuof 'linked' to us before too long.

That said, I believe two way deals are something of a rarity these days.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 20, 2017, 12:18:15 PM
Cheeky bleeders, tell Mark Hughes to feck off. Can't see Berahino agreeing to go there anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2017, 12:31:55 PM
as per we get blamed by all media outlets for stalling and wasting his career ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 20, 2017, 12:39:55 PM
Cheeky bleeders, tell Mark Hughes to feck off. Can't see Berahino agreeing to go there anyway.

We'd probably get £8m from a tribunal at the end of the season anyway
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kirk on January 20, 2017, 12:52:08 PM
Couldn't we just swap him for Bojan ? He wants away from Stoke and is a quality player
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 20, 2017, 01:19:51 PM
If we've reached an agreement with Stoke, I think he'd be daft to turn down the chance. Does he really think he will be top of Tottenham or Man U's shopping list in the summer? And if he did get a move to either of those clubs, he'd be spending most of his time warming the bench.
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Clearly he's not too bothered about not playing !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tucka9 on January 20, 2017, 04:00:23 PM
All over Twitter that we have agreed a deal with Stoke finally
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on January 20, 2017, 04:02:47 PM
All over Twitter that we have agreed a deal with Stoke finally

Correct and its John Percy reporting it. Goodbye ignorant little s**t  :P its such a shame its ended like this. When he broke onto the scene it was clear he was talented but as time went on it just became more and more clear its time to go
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2017, 04:04:56 PM
Back in the england squad within a year, shame really but his attitude stinks. hope our defenders are on their guard on the 4th of Feb
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 20, 2017, 04:05:56 PM
At last!!!!!!!!!!!

Bye bye Bratboy......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on January 20, 2017, 04:12:27 PM
Really pleased to see the back of this little turd.  Hope he flops.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on January 20, 2017, 04:13:49 PM
Has he agreed to go?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2017, 04:14:46 PM
return reception 2 weeks saturday should be interesting
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on January 20, 2017, 04:16:15 PM
£10m rising to £15 apparently!

At last!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on January 20, 2017, 04:16:19 PM
This sale is actually the best business of the transfer window. £10 million upfront with potential to raise it to £15 million!

He does have to still agree terms though remember so will be interesting to see what happens there. If he does go we will definitely be signing a striker this window with Ighalo seeming to be the replacement
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 20, 2017, 04:17:09 PM
£10m + add ons. Daylight robbery. Is JP still advising?

I really hope this goes through. He's never a TP player in a million years. We have to bring in a replacement though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darby009 on January 20, 2017, 04:19:13 PM
YES YES YES AT LAST , GET HIM OUT OF OUR CLUB..... COULDNT CARE LESS ABOUT THE FEE I JUST WANT AND END TO THE "SAIDO SHOW"

I WILL WARM THE TAXI UP AND PUT SOME DM'S ON TO KICK HIS AR$3 OUT OF THE CAB AND INTO THEIR BOARD ROOM AND MAKE HIM SIGN THAT CONTRACT
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on January 20, 2017, 04:19:31 PM
Finally a fee agreed.

Now let the little rat do one and get out of our club. Hope he rots.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2017, 04:21:27 PM
lets give him a welcome on the 4th of feb
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 20, 2017, 04:21:55 PM
just be glad to get a replacement who actually contributes something for his wages. shame how its turned out I think he was the best finisher at the club before it all went south.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/868261730?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on January 20, 2017, 04:22:58 PM
He could go on to score 15+ goals every season for 10 years and I will always stand by the Albion for how they handled this.

The lad is greed, egotistic & a damn right pain in the backside.

Hope he does a Luke Moore but not fussed if he becomes the next Ronaldo either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 20, 2017, 04:25:19 PM
It's time he went. I hope he rediscovers his talent but I'm not holding out. Guaranteed to play a blinder against us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 20, 2017, 04:26:01 PM
SKY:

BREAKING NEWS



Sky sources understand Stoke City and West Brom have finally agreed a fee after protracted talks for striker Saido Berahino.



It's thought West Brom will get £10m, rising to a maximum of £15m if Berahino goes on to be a big success at Stoke.



Stoke now have to complete a medical and agree personal terms with the 23-year old, but it is thought this could be completed fairly quickly.

Read more: http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/264172/saido-berahino#ixzz4WJt2E23s
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on January 20, 2017, 04:26:26 PM
Just because we have agreed a price with stoke doesnt mean he will go. he knows he is worth a substantial wage at the end of the season if he goes abroad. Does he really have any interest in joining stoke?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 20, 2017, 04:28:01 PM
Not convinced Saido himself will take the deal , that said its time this sorry tale ended.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SirTonyM on January 20, 2017, 04:29:04 PM
Terrible attitude but a natural finisher. If he gets his attitude right then he will score goals, sadly not for us...
10 mill is a good price in light of everything that's happened.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 20, 2017, 04:29:37 PM
The stoke fans think its already done......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on January 20, 2017, 04:31:16 PM
Waiting for the reports of traffic congestion around the training ground as thousands of offers of lifts turn up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 20, 2017, 04:31:36 PM
The stoke fans think its already done......

it probably is other than medical, wouldn't surprise me if terms were agreed between club and his agent before price was with us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on January 20, 2017, 04:32:38 PM
Hope it happens get rid of a waster and bring in a decent player at zero or even a future profit cost good business
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on January 20, 2017, 04:33:10 PM
Albion agree deal with Stoke for Saido Berahino.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-transfers-albion-agree-12484675
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 20, 2017, 04:34:20 PM
would have thought it was close if Stoke didn`t think he would go there they would not have persevered they should have been talking to his agent hopefully he sign`s
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 20, 2017, 04:34:51 PM
Lets be fair, he will score and probably do well but it was never going to happen with us and he was getting close to his sell by date. We can move on at last.

Pop a fiver on him to score against us!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on January 20, 2017, 04:35:54 PM
Terrible attitude but a natural finisher. If he gets his attitude right then he will score goals, sadly not for us...
10 mill is a good price in light of everything that's happened.

Agree with this.

He is still a natural finisher and will bag plenty if he gets his head right
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 20, 2017, 04:36:23 PM
would never put money on that waste of space
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 20, 2017, 04:39:04 PM
would never put money on that waste of space

it could be the only positive return we will get off him!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on January 20, 2017, 04:39:20 PM
the good thing about agreeing a fee six months out from the end of the contract, is that it crystallizes evidence of his value should the value have to be determined at a tribunal. We can argue that a decent club were willing to pay a loopy amount of money for a player who has hardly figured. That's got to assist with arguing the compensation up (if it comes to that)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 20, 2017, 04:40:55 PM
and you don`t think due diligence has`nt been done by stoke they should know if he`s coming by talking to his agent
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on January 20, 2017, 04:41:00 PM
Well I'll forecast now he will flop,wrong attitude,constant weight problems can't head a ball,can't tackle,not a team player and found out after his breakout season,yup hell get a goal or two but bet he struggles to nail a permanent starting berth at his sideways step transfer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on January 20, 2017, 04:43:21 PM
 Stick a clause in saying he cant play on Feb 4th  :D :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on January 20, 2017, 04:44:08 PM
Should we sell him i imagine we have someone lined up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 20, 2017, 04:44:15 PM
Well I'll forecast now he will flop,wrong attitude,constant weight problems can't head a ball,can't tackle,not a team player and found out after his breakout season,yup hell get a goal or two but bet he struggles to nail a permanent starting berth at his sideways step transfer

I agree with you wasted too much time, will score goals but will never be a top player now.

Get the deal done!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on January 20, 2017, 04:44:33 PM
Again my cynical side is coming out....

I wonder whether this is another ploy to help substantiate his tribunal fee if he leaves at the end of the season. Our new CEO used to be Stokes CFO until a few weeks ago, there is bound to still be strong links.  If Saido rejects a move to SCFC (as I fear he might in favour of trying to get a more prestigious club in the summer), it puts us in a stronger position to argue a high tribunal fee; i.e. He's been offered 3 increasingly high wage offers (the last we're led to believe is £60k per week).  We rejected several offers in excess of £20m 12 months ago and £15m offer with 6 months left to run on his contract. Hence this needs to be reflected in the tribunal fee.

I may (and hope to) be proved wrong, but I think there is an awful lot of smoke and mirrors going on by the club and Saido himself as they each posture a position which is best for themselves.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dubliner on January 20, 2017, 04:49:41 PM
Agreed Floydy, the club's statement tends to back that up -

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/west-brom-wba-saido-berahino-stoke-city-deal-transfer-3529879.aspx

West Bromwich Albion can confirm the club has today agreed a deal with Stoke City for Saido Berahino.

As a result, Albion have given Stoke permission to open talks with Berahino about a potential move to the Bet365 Stadium.

There will be no further comment at this time.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 20, 2017, 04:51:30 PM
Again my cynical side is coming out....

I wonder whether this is another ploy to help substantiate his tribunal fee if he leaves at the end of the season. Our new CEO used to be Stokes CFO until a few weeks ago, there is bound to still be strong links.  If Saido rejects a move to SCFC (as I fear he might in favour of trying to get a more prestigious club in the summer), it puts us in a stronger position to argue a high tribunal fee; i.e. He's been offered 3 increasingly high wage offers (the last we're led to believe is £60k per week).  We rejected several offers in excess of £20m 12 months ago and £15m offer with 6 months left to run on his contract. Hence this needs to be reflected in the tribunal fee.

I may (and hope to) be proved wrong, but I think there is an awful lot of smoke and mirrors going on by the club and Saido himself as they each posture a position which is best themselves.
Are these points valids even if he moves abroad? does a tribunal fee still get awarded if he chooses to play overseas.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on January 20, 2017, 04:52:12 PM
Are these points valids even if he moves abroad? does a tribunal fee still get awarded if he chooses to play overseas.

No, not valid if he moves aboard - We get 2 carrots and a packet of Cadbury's buttons
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 20, 2017, 04:54:02 PM
No, not valid if he moves aboard - We get 2 carrots and a packet of Cadbury's buttons
a bargain then.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on January 20, 2017, 05:05:35 PM
reckon it will be ighalo sometime next week
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SirTonyM on January 20, 2017, 05:07:17 PM
Again my cynical side is coming out....

I wonder whether this is another ploy to help substantiate his tribunal fee if he leaves at the end of the season. Our new CEO used to be Stokes CFO until a few weeks ago, there is bound to still be strong links.  If Saido rejects a move to SCFC (as I fear he might in favour of trying to get a more prestigious club in the summer), it puts us in a stronger position to argue a high tribunal fee; i.e. He's been offered 3 increasingly high wage offers (the last we're led to believe is £60k per week).  We rejected several offers in excess of £20m 12 months ago and £15m offer with 6 months left to run on his contract. Hence this needs to be reflected in the tribunal fee.

I may (and hope to) be proved wrong, but I think there is an awful lot of smoke and mirrors going on by the club and Saido himself as they each posture a position which is best for themselves.

I can see this happening or someone says play well at stoke for a season and you will get a bigger move anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on January 20, 2017, 05:08:16 PM
I read somewhere that one of the clauses is he wins the world cup. I hope that's not true.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on January 20, 2017, 05:11:52 PM
Good money for a player who has a hell of a lot to learn and whose all round game is very flawed in my opinion o course.

He can finish as we've seen but........he can't hold up the ball, can't head, is not quick, is not that strong or physical, cannot play as a lone front man so always needs support and (it seems) he has an awful , petulant, immature attitude as has been shown on loan at in his younger days and a few times with us.

Thanks Stoke - bye Bera big balls
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 20, 2017, 05:15:34 PM
The more money he gets, the fatter his backside will get! ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 20, 2017, 05:24:18 PM
I'd rather put money on the first wba player smash him in a tackle, got a feeling there's a couple who will want to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 20, 2017, 05:27:04 PM
I'd rather put money on the first wba player smash him in a tackle, got a feeling there's a couple who will want to.

We can hope

McClean please
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albertbaggie on January 20, 2017, 05:31:03 PM
Still not convinced he will go, can see him holding out till the summer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zac on January 20, 2017, 05:53:46 PM
Looking forward to the Stoke game if he does sign for them. I will boo him until i lose my voice the waste of space.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 20, 2017, 06:09:00 PM
The fat brat has got to pass a medical first.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on January 20, 2017, 06:14:13 PM
Whoopie....finally! 6 months left on his contract and we've more that had our money's worth when you consider his wages and 0% transfer fee. It's very sad and as human being I wish him the best despite the character I believe him to be. 12/15 mil will get a 'professional' footballer who will at least give his all for the club.

I bet Tony is drinking a glass of Champers in a herbal bath as we speak!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on January 20, 2017, 06:16:12 PM
Sensible deal for us. His attitude has never been right, even if we didn't handle him as well as we could.

He had 6 months left and the danger of him going to Scotland (and us only getting £400,000 for him) meant we had to sell this window.

We get £10 million now which is about right in the current market and if he knuckles down, he could make us £15 million.

For Stoke, if they can get the best out of him he could become an England international and will be worth over £25 million so it is worth the gamble for them.

Coild be a good deal for both clubs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 20, 2017, 06:16:15 PM
I don't think he will sign.  :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sconesy on January 20, 2017, 06:17:59 PM
I'd rather put money on the first wba player smash him in a tackle, got a feeling there's a couple who will want to.

Unless there's a 'can't play against us clause'. To be honest I'd hope that he plays.....McClean starts, and Ronnie Wallwork is waiting for him in the car park for a chat!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 20, 2017, 06:19:53 PM
I don't think he will sign.  :(
party pooper
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pauly414 on January 20, 2017, 06:24:36 PM
What a great day, our club has been given the all clear of it's cancer, here's to his "career" nosediving into Berahinoblivion. :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on January 20, 2017, 06:26:52 PM
until he has Stoke top on then its done and dusted until fingers crossed .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 20, 2017, 06:28:10 PM
I just want "The Fat Lady to sing" before I get excited!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 20, 2017, 06:28:46 PM
I'd rather put money on the first wba player smash him in a tackle, got a feeling there's a couple who will want to.

Morrison for me.... :)

He's got form!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 20, 2017, 06:29:37 PM
Roll out the barrels people mr big shot is off finally

Can't wait too see the back of him

I predict a decent season for him next year and a BIG club to cone in for him and the whole merry go round to start again

I've said it before he could go onto score 200 league goals and I still wouldn't be bothered we sold him

Bye...I'd say don't let the door hit you on the way out but with that backside we'd both be lying if we said it wont
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 20, 2017, 06:37:25 PM
Club have released an official statement:

West Bromwich Albion can confirm the club has today agreed a deal with Stoke City for Saido Berahino.

As a result, Albion have given Stoke permission to open talks with Berahino about a potential move to the Bet365 Stadium.

There will be no further comment at this time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on January 20, 2017, 06:37:30 PM
Sad to see how things turned out but if he had a brain between those ears of his we might have been talking about him as an Albion legend. How many windows did fat boy sulk through?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on January 20, 2017, 07:14:38 PM
Sky sources say medical passed and personal terms agreed...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on January 20, 2017, 07:26:40 PM
Glad he's going but a part of me is disappointed that a hugely talented player that has came through our youth is going to end up at stoke. Absolute idiot, should have became a legend here!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 20, 2017, 07:50:44 PM
Glad he's going but a part of me is disappointed that a hugely talented player that has came through our youth is going to end up at stoke. Absolute idiot, should have became a legend here!

Never going to happen, wrong character type.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 20, 2017, 07:51:15 PM
I don't think he will sign.  :(
Nor me, but rarely would I be so glad to be proved wrong, not that it happens very often   :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 20, 2017, 07:54:08 PM
I can't see him being at Stoke for long. If he bombs he will be shuffled off to a Championship club before you can blink, if he recaptures his form he'll be agitating for a move to a big club before the end of next season.

I'm happy that the saga has moved from our club will be an vaguely interested observer from now on. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 20, 2017, 07:54:43 PM
As iv`e been saying all season he`s been fit as passing medical proves but some did not believe me it has been a ploy  because he would not sign a new contract  so they had to come up with some excuse for the fat a**e be glad when he`s signed Stoke`s contract
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on January 20, 2017, 07:55:39 PM
I hope it all goes through so we get some money and he gets a move as he has done f all for us in the last few months. We both need to move on!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 20, 2017, 08:01:15 PM
Smoke and mirrors.

A bloke "unfit" all season who has a £60k a week contract on the table moves to Stoke for a fee higher than our record transfer with just 6 months left on his contract?

If it happens, great move for all parties (except Stoke if all the rumours are to be believed).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba1993dave on January 20, 2017, 08:08:24 PM
Bit of a shame but we have coped well without him. No big loss.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on January 20, 2017, 08:09:09 PM
Best to get rid for all parties.......hopefully we can get a striker in quickly now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 20, 2017, 08:17:45 PM
If you want a giggle, log on to The Oatcake. They are wetting themselves big time. I will look forward to reading it in a few weeks
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 20, 2017, 08:30:56 PM
Hope this deal doesn't fall at the final hurdle, we can then move on.


Just hope we now have three big deals around the corner, CD, LB and ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on January 20, 2017, 08:36:01 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2pBSSzXUAE3vaS.jpg)

Official now

12m guaranteed - fantastic deal for us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on January 20, 2017, 08:37:21 PM
Signed..5.5.year contract..12mil rising to 15 Mil. ..happy days...bye bye
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on January 20, 2017, 08:38:32 PM
Looks like he is sold then.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 20, 2017, 08:39:20 PM
The saga is over he`s gone and good riddance now for someone who wants to play for the clb
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on January 20, 2017, 08:39:54 PM
5.5 year deal 12mil rising to 15 Mil. .happy days...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on January 20, 2017, 08:40:20 PM
Long contract! That's him set for life.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 20, 2017, 08:40:53 PM
He has SIGNED, according to Sky Sports
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 20, 2017, 08:45:39 PM
Omg, cannot believe it. Brilliant deal for us, though the stokies think they have the bargain of the century, the deluded idiots
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on January 20, 2017, 08:46:01 PM
Ironic that the lads been sold twice in 6 months. Sold by Peace as an asset and by Lai as a fully grown ass.  5 and half years is a long time to sulk for if he doesn't get his way, though. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 20, 2017, 08:46:52 PM
Yipee
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stubba on January 20, 2017, 08:47:09 PM
Thank fxxk that's over, close this thread now please!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: staticboy on January 20, 2017, 08:48:40 PM
I hope he doesn't score against us on 4th Feb.
Apart from that good riddance you overpriced baby.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 20, 2017, 08:48:42 PM
IT`s all official he`s gone and glad got rid of the bag of s**t
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: aboing on January 20, 2017, 08:48:53 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/west-brom-albion-saido-berahino-stoke-city-premier-league-3530223.aspx
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 20, 2017, 08:49:18 PM
Absolutely delighted

Ungrateful, petulant ****. Will not be missed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 20, 2017, 08:49:35 PM
Omg, cannot believe it. Brilliant deal for us, though the stokies think they have the bargain of the century, the deluded idiots
they want young & hungry, they wont be disappointed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on January 20, 2017, 08:49:44 PM
We probably need a striker now then.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 20, 2017, 08:50:29 PM
they want young & hungry, they wont be disappointed.

Post of the day! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Uncle Peter on January 20, 2017, 08:50:37 PM
Quote
Omg, cannot believe it. Brilliant deal for us, though the stokies think they have the bargain of the century, the deluded idiots

Who knows what his attitude is going to be like now he's away from the club/management he blames for everything?

Yes, the likelihood is he will throw his toys out of the pram. I think he will be quite the success there until he does.

Don't wish him well, or any ill. I 'nothing' him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: staticboy on January 20, 2017, 08:51:32 PM
We've done without him for two seasons so we'll be OK.
Although he'll just score one goal for the rest of the season, against us :)
It's Sods Law.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 20, 2017, 08:54:52 PM
how long before the twats on twitter telling the world how we've ruined the last 18 months of his career ,I hope the Albion threw in a free DUMMY has part of the deal.
I will cry if he scores past us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 20, 2017, 08:55:02 PM
He is at this moment, searching the corridors under the Britannia Stadium, looking for Uncle Wonga, thick prat!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 20, 2017, 08:55:08 PM
Good move for all concerned. Best of luck Saido!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 20, 2017, 08:57:09 PM
Just glad the ignorant idiot has gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 20, 2017, 08:57:33 PM
See you later mate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on January 20, 2017, 08:59:12 PM
Goodbye and good riddance !!!
A massive negative force out of the squad can only be a good thing.
Now to get a couple in who want to play for our great club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on January 20, 2017, 09:00:19 PM
Morrison for me.... :)

He's got form!

Morrison cant tackle a paper bag
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 20, 2017, 09:01:20 PM
they want young & hungry, they wont be disappointed.
Excellent, very funny
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 20, 2017, 09:02:37 PM
they want young & hungry, they wont be disappointed.
Top post!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on January 20, 2017, 09:04:17 PM
Great news so glad he's gone .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 20, 2017, 09:05:31 PM
WHAT A GOOD DAY IN THE LIFE OF WBA sell a bag of s**t for 12 mill could rise to 15 mill buy Livermore for 10 mill make a 2 mill profit get rid of dead wood and buy a player who wants to play for us Whooopeeee
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies_24 on January 20, 2017, 09:05:59 PM
Think he'l do well for the stokies for 18 months then when someone else comes knocking he'l upset the apple cart. He's missed 1/2 season of football so it will take him a while to get back to match fitness. The prats only got himself to blame, he's arguebably more naturally talanted than Harry Kane but Kane has the right attitude and work ethic, thats the reason why he'l end up making it big with one of the top 4 and why Saido will go no further than the likes of ourselves & stoke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 20, 2017, 09:06:09 PM
I wonder if Pulis will now give his true thoughts on this 'smashing lad'. I think TP has been talking up Berahino to enhance his transfer value.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 20, 2017, 09:06:38 PM
This is a happy day for West Bromwich Albion Football Club

I'm so happy think I'll crack that champagne open

No longer our problem
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wimbledon baggie on January 20, 2017, 09:07:13 PM
Actually cant believe it!! Haha totally chuffed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on January 20, 2017, 09:07:32 PM
Close the thread. Burn it, bury the remains. Let's end this
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on January 20, 2017, 09:09:10 PM
One day I think he will regret all this . Never known anyone so ungrateful for what the club has done for him and his family .Goodbye and good riddance !!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on January 20, 2017, 09:09:55 PM
Can this be moved to the Ex-Players thread? :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on January 20, 2017, 09:11:31 PM
I wonder if Pulis will now give his true thoughts on this 'smashing lad'. I think TP has been talking up Berahino to enhance his transfer value.
.   I doubt it . To much a professional not like that little t**t
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 20, 2017, 09:12:18 PM
Can someone check on Adam? Or do we already think he's ordered a Stoke shirt with Saido's name on the back?

 ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on January 20, 2017, 09:13:04 PM
Best for all parties, shame the way it turned out. I hope there's a sell-on-fee clause in there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbasoprano on January 20, 2017, 09:13:51 PM
Morrison cant tackle a paper bag

He did a lovely number on Ronaldo whilst playing for boro once upon a time
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 20, 2017, 09:18:19 PM
Can someone check on Adam? Or do we already think he's ordered a Stoke shirt with Saido's name on the back?

 ;D

Already ordered? im already wearing it!  ;D ;D ;D

P.s. - Yours is in the post with my name on, we know how obsessed you are  :P ;)

Serious note though, surely pulis has to be confident of getting another striker in now? (i know we aint exactly lost anything as he wasnt even in the team... but we do only have 2 strikers and one of those was a freebie who no one else wanted to sign)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on January 20, 2017, 09:19:40 PM
Let's close this thread and be done with him. 3 years of every viewpoint on him imaginable.

Let's move on, and back the boys who take pride in the Albion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 20, 2017, 09:20:36 PM
Lovely post on tne oatcake, apparently from wiki
"He now weighs over 30 stone, after having a bust up with big Tony. After Tony said he was too big to ever play for a decent club again, so he was f.....d off to Stoke as his ambition was to play for a club that has no class whatsoever, and the majority of whose fans are a bunch of 6 fingered wa.....kers"

Class
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 20, 2017, 09:22:00 PM
Anyone read the oatcake??  ;D

"Seems level headed and grounded"  :-X :-\

Apparently we're deluded pr**ks who are bitter  :D

They don't quite understand how delighted we are to be rid of him

I can only reiterate what I've said before he may go onto score a shed load for them, hell he will probably score the winner against us...I don't care he is out of this club

I'm so happy right now I punched the air when the news broke

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sted1990 on January 20, 2017, 09:28:13 PM
Yes yes yes this had to happen, we can FINALLY move on.

Please close this thread and don't allow another one to start in the general thread, we've had enough of hearing about him to last a lifetime.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 20, 2017, 09:30:11 PM
Anyone read the oatcake??  ;D

"Seems level headed and grounded"  :-X :-\

Apparently we're deluded pr**ks who are bitter  :D

They don't quite understand how delighted we are to be rid of him

I can only reiterate what I've said before he may go onto score a shed load for them, hell he will probably score the winner against us...I don't care he is out of this club

I'm so happy right now I punched the air when the news broke

I took a look, there so desperate for a striker they are wetting themself's. Did u watch his interview? Admitted he was not match fit so God knows what he has been doing at the hawthorns.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 20, 2017, 09:33:23 PM
I took a look, there so desperate for a striker they are wetting themself's. Did u watch his interview? Admitted he was not match fit so God knows what he has been doing at the hawthorns.

Not playing matches would be my guess, never know.. I could be wrong?!  ;D :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on January 20, 2017, 09:34:29 PM
Glad it's all over!
Taking away all the histrionics and the fact that there's always 2 sides to every story & we'll probably never know them (nor need too!) I can't help feeling that he's wasted 2 years of his talent & probably missed the boat! I mean no disrespect to Stoke but they're hardly Spurs or wherever he could have gone but a 5 1/2 year contract as well - that's a long time if it don't work out, almost out of the frying pan into the fire & taken the first opportunity that's offered itself!
Anyway he won't be the first or last pro footballer to throw a tantrum see Payet at the moment, onwards & upwards!
C'mon you Baggies!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboy74 on January 20, 2017, 09:34:47 PM
Glad the official site expressed absolutely no gratitude to him.

I hope that Karma pays him a visit in the near future.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 20, 2017, 09:35:47 PM
Ive said enough in the last 12 month`s about this toss*r he got his move to a big club yeah right ,we done well out the deal well done to our Chairman THATS MY LAST POST ON THE LITTLE SHYTE  now we can get on with talking all things WBA
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on January 20, 2017, 09:39:02 PM
Can anyone remember being this happy about someone leaving? Im absolutley delighted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 20, 2017, 09:41:03 PM
Can anyone remember being this happy about someone leaving? Im absolutley delighted.

Nope same here fella

I'm over the moon at this
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2017, 09:45:53 PM
this feels like a new signing lol  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbertaBaggie on January 20, 2017, 09:47:55 PM
Amazed we got any money for him! Probably got more than if we had accepted the original offer from Spurs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Uncle Peter on January 20, 2017, 09:49:37 PM
Changed my mind, I hope he gets attacked by a honey badger
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2017, 09:52:08 PM
Quite possibly the most hated footballer to leave us. He's going to get the wrath of my tongue in a few weeks the fat twonk
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on January 20, 2017, 09:54:04 PM
thank f**k this is over
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 20, 2017, 09:54:39 PM
Reading the oatcake is hilarious

So desperate for a striker they could have signed Mick Quinn as he is today and be wetting themselves

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 20, 2017, 09:59:24 PM
See ya then! Can he do it on a cold windy night at Stoke. We shall find out. What a strange move for the guy, I mean nearly 2 seasons of refusing to play to eventually sign for Stoke
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on January 20, 2017, 10:10:51 PM
The sad thing about all this is that we have looked after him for 12 years after fleing his troubled country of birth and I cant help feeling he has let us down, I am not angry to be fair just let down and sad about the whole saga. I cant help feeling in 18 months we will see the same situation happening again, the only plus is that we have a decent sell on clause.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 20, 2017, 10:19:39 PM
The sad thing about all this is that we have looked after him for 12 years after fleing his troubled country of birth and I cant help feeling he has let us down, I am not angry to be fair just let down and sad about the whole saga. I cant help feeling in 18 months we will see the same situation happening again, the only plus is that we have a decent sell on clause.

We have a sell-on clause??

How have we managed that??

This deal gets better
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on January 20, 2017, 10:21:02 PM
Can't believe this picture ...........  :-\

And here it is ........
Saido being handed his club Car by Mark Hughes,
Somebody should have told him he was Banned  Laugh

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2pMV6jXAAEeT8Q.jpg

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ComebackStrodds on January 20, 2017, 10:22:04 PM
Fat basta** I hope he has the same success their as rubberdinghe
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on January 20, 2017, 10:28:46 PM
whats the bet he is on the bench for Stoke and fit to play . truth will come out one day whats gone on . in truth he never really did play for Jermey Peace again .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 20, 2017, 10:32:01 PM
To be fair, he's been fairly gracious on twitter with his departure, I half-expected him to have some snide comments.

With regards to Hughes, he's done well with handling Arnotovic who previously had personal issues, and I believe Shaqiri did to a lesser extent, so if anyone can change Berahino then it's him. Having said that, it was quite telling last month when Berahino said he was depressed, I think what the Stoke fans probably don't grasp fully yet is that he's a fantastic player/athlete but it doesn't really matter because of his mentality.

It will be interesting to watch it unfold, he could recover his career, but with all bias aside I think he will struggle especially after missing so much football and development.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 17GD on January 20, 2017, 10:33:49 PM
Yes!!!!!!!!!! I too punched the air when I found out! So happy he's gone. I just don't ever want to be reminded that he used to play for us. Good riddance to bad rubbish!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on January 20, 2017, 10:42:23 PM
The final time I comment in this thread and I will stand by my belief he is the most overrated player in the league and arguably this decade.

He leaves having scored 23 goals in 105 Premier League Apps.

The season he scored 20 goals, came in 45 games in all competitions. 4 of which came against Gateshead, and also 5 penalties.

The 2014/2015 season he scored 8 goals in the first 10 League games, scoring just 7 in the next 28 that season.

15/16 he scored 4 in 31 league games.

16/17 just 5 apps, no goals.

Countless issues, whilst on loan at Lower league clubs and during his "peak".

Apart from a flurry during the early stages of the 14/15 season; I fail to see how anyone can truly say this kid is a massive talent, it's not sour grapes either, I've never rated the lad.

Good Riddance & Goodbye.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Black Country Pride on January 20, 2017, 10:42:36 PM
Yes!!!!!!!!!! I too punched the air when I found out! So happy he's gone. I just don't ever want to be reminded that he used to play for us. Good riddance to bad rubbish!!

My thoughts exactly. Part of me would have quite liked to have had him hanged, drawn and quartered, with his head stuck on a spike outside the ground but perhaps transporting him like a plague bacillus up the M6 is even better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on January 20, 2017, 10:43:34 PM
Chuffed with this. Overrated, overweight, shocking attitude and application, bad egg.

Good riddance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on January 20, 2017, 10:43:54 PM
Very disappointed that he didn't fulfill his potential with us, but he was finished here and had to move on.

Great player but filthy attitude, can't help thinking that Stoke and him are made for each other - not got any time for either - only hope his career goes the same way as Odemwingie after he left us!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 20, 2017, 10:44:51 PM
  Saido Berahino
✔  ‎@SBerahino 

To @WBA fans, thanks for the support and love you have given me down the years. It's now time for me to move on and make some new memories

8:49 PM - 20 Jan 2017


 
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Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 20, 2017, 10:52:44 PM
I'm honestly extremely surprised he's not waited his contract out and rinsed it on a bosman.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on January 20, 2017, 11:31:55 PM
I have not been shy in stating there are two sides to the Berahino saga and as bad as he has acted, the club and supporters have been just as poor or worse imo.

I am very glad the sage is over and having gone to Stoke, I don't really "wish him well", but I thank him for the times when things were good.

Sad it went this way, but it has now and I am very ready to move on from Berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 20, 2017, 11:39:17 PM
I'm honestly extremely surprised he's not waited his contract out and rinsed it on a bosman.

I agree. Makes you think there is more to his side of the story than many would want to believe. It's a good outcome for all involved.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 20, 2017, 11:50:20 PM
I agree. Makes you think there is more to his side of the story than many would want to believe. It's a good outcome for all involved.

I don't think he's a bad guy, I just think he's easily lead and lacked a strong rolemodle due to his dad's death.

I hope he does ok, it's just a huge shame it's not for us.

This must be seen as a positive result though
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on January 20, 2017, 11:53:13 PM
  Saido Berahino
✔  ‎@SBerahino 

To @WBA fans, thanks for the support and love you have given me down the years. It's now time for me to move on and make some new memories

8:49 PM - 20 Jan 2017


 
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C!!t glad he is gone can we please close this topic now?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 20, 2017, 11:54:29 PM
Tosser. Good riddance.

Lock this off, we've blasted Alien into space for good.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on January 21, 2017, 02:35:28 AM
We have a sell-on clause??

How have we managed that??

This deal gets better

That's a great add-on to an already decent deal in the circumstances. If he can get his head down and fulfil the potential he has as a natural goal scorer (not heading though) and improves his overall game and gets a big money move in the future then we will have done well for an academy player.

However I reckon it will go pear-shaped at Stoke eventually as he has been problematic throughout his professional playing career including out on loan. I can't help thinking that his past in a war-torn country and losing a father to guide him has perhaps contributed somewhat to his present day behaviour.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on January 21, 2017, 02:45:56 AM
maybe a good six to eight months...

then his agent will be hawking around to all and sundry..

he will forget, once again, that a contract is a two way agreement..

He will not be able to separate "his" wants and desires from the Club's actions to protect it's finances.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mig on January 21, 2017, 02:53:15 AM
I think it has to be questioned why the club didn't sell him in the Summer when we were reportedly still getting offers of around £20m. Pulis clearly has had an issue with Saido since last season and had no intention of playing him, so it feels like in rejecting those Summer bids, we have cut off our nose to spite our face a little bit.

This is clearly a different view to most but I do think that while Saido has had behavioural issues, the hierarchy at the club could have handles the whole situation much better. The guy was just 21 when he was refused a move to Spurs - nobody is overly mature at that age and it's a big big move to block really when you look at the potential of that Spurs team and where it is now. I honestly think that at that point there was an opportunity to bring Saido back into the fold, and the club mismanaged it as much as Saido did.

People forget how good this guy was. I hope he can get back to that level, as much as it will hurt to see him score goals for Stoke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mig on January 21, 2017, 02:58:36 AM
He couldn't have gone to Spurs though - we refused all of their bids.

Glad it's all over!
Taking away all the histrionics and the fact that there's always 2 sides to every story & we'll probably never know them (nor need too!) I can't help feeling that he's wasted 2 years of his talent & probably missed the boat! I mean no disrespect to Stoke but they're hardly Spurs or wherever he could have gone but a 5 1/2 year contract as well - that's a long time if it don't work out, almost out of the frying pan into the fire & taken the first opportunity that's offered itself!
Anyway he won't be the first or last pro footballer to throw a tantrum see Payet at the moment, onwards & upwards!
C'mon you Baggies!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: buzzingbaggie on January 21, 2017, 04:30:38 AM
Glad he's gone as he obviously wasn't the right fit. I do however feel in 2/3 seasons time we'll be asking ourselves how we let him slip though the net. He will score goals in the premier league for a very long time :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on January 21, 2017, 05:55:01 AM
A great talent from our academy, but his relationship with the club and fans has broken since the transfer saga and now he have gone finally.
£12m is a good price for a player who would become free agent in summer. Both have to move on now and hope that we can find his replacement soon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 21, 2017, 07:58:10 AM
So glad he's gone. There's a great meme going round: Spent all that time sulking over Spurs then ends up at Stoke  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 21, 2017, 08:09:06 AM
Out of town at the minute so only just found out he's gone.
Glad the sagas over and hope we use the income wisely.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on January 21, 2017, 08:18:23 AM
Bye bye and close the door quietly on the way out

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 21, 2017, 08:28:29 AM
Come on mods, close it down now Pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2017, 08:29:15 AM
I think it has to be questioned why the club didn't sell him in the Summer when we were reportedly still getting offers of around £20m. Pulis clearly has had an issue with Saido since last season and had no intention of playing him, so it feels like in rejecting those Summer bids, we have cut off our nose to spite our face a little bit.

This is clearly a different view to most but I do think that while Saido has had behavioural issues, the hierarchy at the club could have handles the whole situation much better. The guy was just 21 when he was refused a move to Spurs - nobody is overly mature at that age and it's a big big move to block really when you look at the potential of that Spurs team and where it is now. I honestly think that at that point there was an opportunity to bring Saido back into the fold, and the club mismanaged it as much as Saido did.

People forget how good this guy was. I hope he can get back to that level, as much as it will hurt to see him score goals for Stoke.

To me, the parties most to blame here is neither this club nor Berahino.  Spurs and Daniel Levy and Berahino's agent at the time were far bigger contributors.  Spurs tried to get him on the cheap and influenced him via his agent to try to force the move with ill-advised tactics which backfired badly on the player because Peace was prepared to take a tough stance.  Berahino simply wasn't mature enough to handle the consequences.

No consequences for Spurs though, and where is the player's former agent now?  It was all potential upside for them with no downside consequences.  Berahino was left to suffer for 18 months due to their actions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on January 21, 2017, 08:55:57 AM
Fat lot of good a sell on clause will do when Walsall sign him for £300k after playing for Stokes reserves for 4 years.   ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 21, 2017, 09:10:12 AM
To me, the parties most to blame here is neither this club nor Berahino.  Spurs and Daniel Levy and Berahino's agent at the time were far bigger contributors.  Spurs tried to get him on the cheap and influenced him via his agent to try to force the move with ill-advised tactics which backfired badly on the player because Peace was prepared to take a tough stance.  Berahino simply wasn't mature enough to handle the consequences.

No consequences for Spurs though, and where is the player's former agent now?  It was all potential upside for them with no downside consequences.  Berahino was left to suffer for 18 months due to their actions.

Spot on Overseas. This epitomises everything that is wrong with this game - greed. The only ones who have suffered are us and 'him'.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on January 21, 2017, 09:21:42 AM
AS I've said before, best he moves on and as good a deal as we could have hoped for at this late stage I suspect.

I was one to keep giving him chances hoping that he could turn it around and get back to something like the excellent young striker that burst through two seasons ago. However, the flashes we have seen from him over the past eighteen show that he seems to have lost that touch, that superb ability to strike a ball well and, least surprising perhaps, some real pace and ability to best defenders.

I don't wish him ill despite how he's dragged MY Club through the gutter and I'm sure, if he's got a level head on, he'll do ok at Stoke.
However, I don't wish great success either !!!!! 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 21, 2017, 10:10:08 AM
Pleased he's gone, allows both the fans and the club as a whole to move on to better things,
Pleased he has got a deal with a bigger  ;D club
Pleased the money we receive is better than could have been reasonably expected
Pleased we will no longer be battered with bad news, tweets etc from this episode
Pleased that he didn't go to Tottenham and Levy didn't get his man
Pleased the club stood by it's principles

Hopefully Berahino will mature and become like a piece of gorganzola :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on January 21, 2017, 10:13:41 AM
He's gone now, let's just pretend  he  was never here, not mention him again, and show no reaction when he plays against us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 21, 2017, 10:17:10 AM
Delighted the whole sorry saga is over so we can all move on from it. Its a deal that suits everyone involved at this stage. We get a good fee considering the time left on his contract, Stoke get the striker they wanted and he got a move away that he desperately wanted/needed.

I can't bring myself to wish him well at this point as I will always look back on his time here with sadness knowing how badly it ended between us for a kid we nurtured and actually broke into the first team and looked comfortable there it rarely happens at this level. He had so much talent but there's something not right in his head, if he gets himself in a good place then he will be a success for Stoke but nearly two years of development time he's lost so I believe he will live to regret his actions at some point but probably wont be until his playing career has finished.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 21, 2017, 10:38:05 AM
Remember when we signed Odemwingie, Locomotiv fans said he was a bad egg, there were accusations of racism, well, Stoke fans will be thinking similar of us, unbelieving, sour grapes and all that, fans know stuff, they smell bad attitude, so for any Stokies reading this, good luck, you have bought the footballing equivalent of a Delorean, looks the part, has moments of brilliance, but unreliable, problematic and history will only really record extravagance and failure.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Groovephil on January 21, 2017, 10:46:18 AM
A talent but I'm afraid his head just isn't right to succeed, anyone who thinks everything will be great at Stoke is kidding themselves.

He'll start well, fade, fall out with club, fall out with fans, look to move.

Rinse. Repeat.

A true modern footballer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 21, 2017, 10:54:44 AM
This is the showdown moment in a very long hand of poker. The cards are turned over and we see what everybody was holding. Is he fit? Will he be able to recapture the form of two year's ago? If he he hits the highs again when does he push for a move to a big club? How does he react if he doesn't get it?

No excuses for Berahino anymore at 23 years of age it is time to grow up and take the chance life has given him even if he  has done his best to throw it all away. It will be interesting to see how things turn out but I wouldn't bet on a happy ending. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on January 21, 2017, 11:02:51 AM

Will he be able to recapture the form of two year's ago? If he he hits the highs again when does he push for a move to a big club? How does he react if he doesn't get it?


If the above is ever an issue, an agent has let him down again. I imagine he has clauses for top 6 clubs, probably around the £30 mark.

Stoke wouldn't be too upset with that, it would mean that he had got his act together and scored goals for them, and they would make a reasonable profit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on January 21, 2017, 11:41:27 AM
The right end to a sad tail that had the making of a great sarga.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on January 21, 2017, 12:19:14 PM
Time to close this thread now and let's move on please.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on January 21, 2017, 12:32:24 PM
According to the Birmingham Evening Mail, Saido's had a twitter message from Odemwingie.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/peter-odemwingie-sends-twitter-message-12486689 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/peter-odemwingie-sends-twitter-message-12486689)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on January 21, 2017, 12:49:33 PM
Both of them are plonker,what a lot of man love,pathetic.stoke a great club?please.
Not too many players improve when they've left wba,only Robbie perhaps.
Hes gone to a club that's below us how clever is that?
And he's still not fit?
He has a lot of problems but hey were 12 mil better off,onwards and upwards for us.
See you later bera.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 1954 on January 21, 2017, 12:59:32 PM
According to the Birmingham Evening Mail, Saido's had a twitter message from Odemwingie.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/peter-odemwingie-sends-twitter-message-12486689 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/peter-odemwingie-sends-twitter-message-12486689)

I strongly suspect Odemwingie's tweet is a not so subtle dig at our club & our players. Every good thing he's saying about Stoke is him implying  the opposite for our club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 21, 2017, 03:30:53 PM
Got paraded round the britannia pre match
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on January 21, 2017, 05:23:44 PM
According to the Birmingham Evening Mail, Saido's had a twitter message from Odemwingie.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/peter-odemwingie-sends-twitter-message-12486689 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/peter-odemwingie-sends-twitter-message-12486689)
Odemwingie went to Stoke. Seems to be a trend. Where's Odemwingie now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 21, 2017, 05:26:02 PM
According to the Birmingham Evening Mail, Saido's had a twitter message from Odemwingie.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/peter-odemwingie-sends-twitter-message-12486689 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/peter-odemwingie-sends-twitter-message-12486689)

No problem whatsoever with Peter's tweet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 21, 2017, 06:17:27 PM
Not in the squad for them today

Not fit after all perhaps
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on January 21, 2017, 06:20:19 PM
Not in the squad for them today

Not fit after all perhaps
He hadn't signed in time to be available today. Anyway why are we still taking about him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on January 21, 2017, 06:27:14 PM
he actually said that he's not up to match fitness and will have to work hard to get there.  just shows how much he actually cares about his career really and how little options the club has had outside the transfer windows
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stubba on January 21, 2017, 08:27:18 PM
Why are we still giving this bellend air time!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 21, 2017, 08:30:07 PM
According to the E&S guy on twitter we've got a 20% sell on clause on top on the up to £15m fee.

That's a seriously good deal we've got there, regardless of how this/he ends up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2017, 08:58:03 PM
According to the E&S guy on twitter we've got a 20% sell on clause on top on the up to £15m fee.

That's a seriously good deal we've got there, regardless of how this/he ends up.

Is that 20% of any profit on the transfer fee or 20% of any future transfer fee?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 21, 2017, 09:17:03 PM
Is that 20% of any profit on the transfer fee or 20% of any future transfer fee?
Five and a half years at 70k, that's one hell of a risk for Stoke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on January 21, 2017, 09:31:46 PM
Five and a half years at 70k, that's one hell of a risk for Stoke.
I wonder who will get the boot first? Hughes or Saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on January 22, 2017, 12:18:29 AM
http://tinyurl.com/hsy2w6y
started his games already at stoke.solid gold tw@t if ever there was one
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 22, 2017, 12:48:07 AM
Can we close the thread on this waster?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 22, 2017, 12:48:49 AM
http://tinyurl.com/hsy2w6y
started his games already at stoke.solid gold tw@t if ever there was one

You're having a laugh - it was clearly unintentional
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 22, 2017, 06:02:11 AM
http://tinyurl.com/hsy2w6y
started his games already at stoke.solid gold tw@t if ever there was one

The caption reads "Stoke tweeted a photo of Berahino putting pen to paper that showed more than was intended".

Not seen the picture, but doesn't that mean stoke leaked it and not saido?

We want to forget all about him and close the thread but some people on here are still obsessed with what he's doing and can't help themselves but to try and accuse him of things.  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on January 22, 2017, 08:35:48 AM
As long as he doesn't score in a few weeks against us that's all I care about!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 22, 2017, 09:56:02 AM
As long as he doesn't score in a few weeks against us that's all I care about!

Someone will nobble him, my moneys on Yacob
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on January 22, 2017, 10:24:55 AM
As long as he doesn't score in a few weeks against us that's all I care about!

According to Hughes yesterday he's several weeks away from being fit enough to start games, so might not even make the bench on 4th February (especially if Diouf is back uninjured from ACN).  Wouldn't be surprised if Hughes keeps SB away from the "heat" for that game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on January 22, 2017, 10:27:56 AM
Someone will nobble him, my moneys on Yacob

That's a safe bet for any player in any game!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on January 22, 2017, 10:56:41 AM
Mentioned in passing on Sky's  Sunday Supplement. A damning quote from one of the journalists is often they find when they write a critical piece about a player is that someone connected with the player will contact them to put the player's side of the story. Not the case with Saido and what they've been told by sources who would know off the record (assuming coaching staff and players) is whatever they've written the actuality is often worse a lot worse.

If this is genuinely the case we are well rid and if Mark Hughes get's a tune out of him well that makes Mark Hughes one hell of a manager.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 22, 2017, 12:02:15 PM
I still don't get the venom
The facts are
He cost us nothing
He scored some goals (and against villa)
He made us a profit of 12m-15m

In the modern game , young players do go out and sometimes cross a line, yep he inhaled helium 👀

I have a lot more anger at the people that come on to a forum, refuse to at least appreciate we all have different opinions, and then have the front to request topics are closed ONCE THEY HAVE HAD THEIR SAY..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 22, 2017, 12:15:34 PM
I personally believe the venom is there because he's come across as extremely ungrateful. We have invested a lot of time and money in helping him develop from a promising youngster into someone who broke into the first team and genuinely looks like he belongs at the top level. We turned a blind eye to his issues away from the pitch as he was delivering the goods on it but his Twitter outburst after the Spurs move fell through was the final straw for many, didn't get his own way so the toys came out the pram. After that we were paying him decent enough money but he was absolutely no use to us hence the bad feeling.

From a personal perspective I'm delighted he's gone as it was a side show we didn't need as a club. The bad feeling from my own perspective is because I could see what he could have become, he had the talent and if he'd got his head down and continued his form the big move he craved would have come and everyone would have wished him well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 22, 2017, 12:22:56 PM
And of course, don't forget this.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2013/10/01/steven-reid-says-saido-berahinos-brentford-bust-up-helped-west-brom-career/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on January 22, 2017, 12:39:23 PM
 Was interesting on the Sunday Supplement today Ian Ladyman said that when these problems have cropped up before somebody usually pops up and says `he`s not always like that``he`s a good lad at heart` etc but this hasnt happened wit Bera indeed its been the opposite as he`d been told recently that Berahino had been acting like a kid that hadnt been allowed to watch his favourite telly progamme and had stomped off to his bedroom for 6 months also that recently somebody from WBA had told him(the press) that he didnt know the half of it !! :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 22, 2017, 12:42:09 PM
I expect a re run within 2 years. ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 22, 2017, 01:59:48 PM
parading him around pre kick off like hes the savior
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Redditch Baggie Boy on January 22, 2017, 07:10:45 PM
I was saying to my son yesterday that it's going to go one of two ways with Saido.

Either he'll be a massive flop and be plying his trade at Scunthorpe in 3 years time, or he'll be brilliant and realise he's far too good for Stoke.

Either way, Albion are better off without him in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darby009 on January 22, 2017, 08:08:44 PM
also if he is a flop then we have screwed stoke over for £12-15m, but if he is a star and goes on to get the "BIG MOVE" he wanted then we get another 20% of the fee.... we cant lose....

personally I am amazed that Williams managed to get a minimum of £12m out of stoke for a guy who only had 6 months left, but I am also equally amazed that stoke were that desperate to pay that amount now when they are pretty safe in mid table rather than wait till the summer and get him for peanuts..... unless they feared the tribunal fee would be more ... but I cant see that .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 22, 2017, 08:12:43 PM




                   >:( >:( CLOSE THIS BL**DY THREAD HE`S LONG GONE  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 22, 2017, 08:15:35 PM
Like it or not, its set to run and run! ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on January 22, 2017, 08:29:56 PM



                   >:( >:( CLOSE THIS BL**DY THREAD HE`S LONG GONE  >:( >:(
Here bloody here!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 22, 2017, 08:39:34 PM
Said all along he'd end up at a another prem club..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on January 22, 2017, 09:23:04 PM
Said all along he'd end up at a another prem club..

It's not too surprising, effectively Stoke are buying his potential, which is a high-level Premier League striker with good re-sale value.

What I can't understand is that it wasn't say a 3 year deal, and instead was 5.5 years. It's just stupid risk on their behalf. He is their problem now and not ours anyway, personally speaking I don't think his career will amount to anything simply because of his mentality.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on January 22, 2017, 09:55:02 PM
I was saying to my son yesterday that it's going to go one of two ways with Saido.

Either he'll be a massive flop and be plying his trade at Scunthorpe in 3 years time, or he'll be brilliant and realise he's far too good for Stoke.

Either way, Albion are better off without him in my opinion.

Exactly right, almost a lose-lose buy for Stoke
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 22, 2017, 09:58:59 PM
Hughes saying he is not fit enough to start games. So Pulis wasn't lying.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 22, 2017, 10:03:27 PM
Hughes saying he is not fit enough to start games. So Pulis wasn't lying.

Why ever did you think he was? :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on January 22, 2017, 10:11:34 PM
Why ever did you think he was? :-X

Because Berahino tweeted that he was fit to play.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 22, 2017, 10:15:24 PM
Wouldn't it be great to be the last person on this thread?

Shall I turn the lights off on the way out?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 22, 2017, 10:33:15 PM
So many bitter fans with so much hatred towards a person although no one knows what really went on behind closed doors.

All we have is the media's poor stories (Saw one earlier, trying to slate him because stoke tweeted a picture - worst part is, clueless people on here actually believed it) and pulis' version of it all... he's a great kid, he got sent to france twice, he came back in better shape with a better mindset twice (all according to pulis)... yet it's very clear, regardless if he was fit or not... pulis had no intention of getting him involved with the squad and playing games.

No one got on with him, all the dressing room hated him ... yet all over social media was saido 'sociallising' and praising the club and our players the past few months  ::) (mainly live videos of him with wba players that didn't get mentioned because it aint a negative story about him)

I think it was best for the club and saido to go seperate ways and im very glad we made a bit of money from a player we didn't pay a fee for... the club did well to get anything for him. 

Will be interesting to see how hughes deals with the situation considering perfect pulis couldn't help him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on January 22, 2017, 10:37:44 PM
Sums it up nicely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxjwb5cXTI0

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on January 23, 2017, 12:43:11 AM
personally I am amazed that Williams managed to get a minimum of £12m out of stoke for a guy who only had 6 months left, but I am also equally amazed that stoke were that desperate to pay that amount now when they are pretty safe in mid table rather than wait till the summer and get him for peanuts..... unless they feared the tribunal fee would be more ... but I cant see that .

I think they were just being honest and knew that they would not be very high on the list of Teams his agent would be talking to on a Free.

For all the "Joy and Happiness" & "Smiling face" we have seen, Stoke is not were I think Saido believes he should be playing...

On a Free (even with a Tribunal pending) I reckon one or two, higher up the food chain, may have taken a punt.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 23, 2017, 01:40:12 AM
It's not too surprising, effectively Stoke are buying his potential, which is a high-level Premier League striker with good re-sale value.

What I can't understand is that it wasn't say a 3 year deal, and instead was 5.5 years. It's just stupid risk on their behalf. He is their problem now and not ours anyway, personally speaking I don't think his career will amount to anything simply because of his mentality.

I was surprised at this too, but more from Saido's perspective given his desire to play for the top boys.

Be interesting to find out if his contract has any minimum amount release clauses etc.

I'd hope for Stoke's sake they'd have loads of disciplinary clauses too.

Not really, I'm fibbing, can't stand Stoke or Mark Hughes so naughty word 'em  8) .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 23, 2017, 08:03:58 AM
I was surprised at this too, but more from Saido's perspective given his desire to play for the top boys.

Be interesting to find out if his contract has any minimum amount release clauses etc.

I'd hope for Stoke's sake they'd have loads of disciplinary clauses too.

Not really, I'm fibbing, can't stand Stoke or Mark Hughes so naughty word 'em  8) .



Neither can i, its a car crash waititng to happen
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 23, 2017, 08:04:10 AM
It's not too surprising, effectively Stoke are buying his potential, which is a high-level Premier League striker with good re-sale value.

What I can't understand is that it wasn't say a 3 year deal, and instead was 5.5 years. It's just stupid risk on their behalf. He is their problem now and not ours anyway, personally speaking I don't think his career will amount to anything simply because of his mentality.

That is indeed a risk on their part, however if he has one good season next year, he'll have an inflated transfer value due to having 4 years left on his contract. Imagine there will be a number of performance-related bonuses too to make sure he's earning the money
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 23, 2017, 09:51:45 AM
So many bitter fans with so much hatred towards a person although no one knows what really went on behind closed doors.

All we have is the media's poor stories (Saw one earlier, trying to slate him because stoke tweeted a picture - worst part is, clueless people on here actually believed it) and pulis' version of it all... he's a great kid, he got sent to france twice, he came back in better shape with a better mindset twice (all according to pulis)... yet it's very clear, regardless if he was fit or not... pulis had no intention of getting him involved with the squad and playing games.

No one got on with him, all the dressing room hated him ... yet all over social media was saido 'sociallising' and praising the club and our players the past few months  ::) (mainly live videos of him with wba players that didn't get mentioned because it aint a negative story about him)

I think it was best for the club and saido to go seperate ways and im very glad we made a bit of money from a player we didn't pay a fee for... the club did well to get anything for him. 

Will be interesting to see how hughes deals with the situation considering perfect pulis couldn't help him.

So by your own admission you dont have an idea what went on?? Then you have the temerity to call other users on here clueless??? Well that can stop instantly.

What we do know is that Berahino couldnt keep himself off social media, commited footballing suicide at this club with his actions after the Spurs debacle and hasnt knuckled down and played to his best until his move materialised...had to be sent to fat camp twice after a hard pre-season where he actually looked fit to go from that to fat camp twice between August and December is nothing more than bad practice.

Im not talking about him personally, I dont know him personally, I can only comment on what I see, what ive seen is a terribly advised but very immature petulant bloke who thinks he is above this club.

Its no suprise that you are in a small majority who have backed him as the majority can see exactly what he was

Ill reiterate my point that im over the moon he has gone, since he has been taken out the side we have gone from strength to strength
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 23, 2017, 10:01:39 AM
hes trouble outside the football stadium and in, he needs help
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 23, 2017, 10:03:32 AM
Newcastle Fans Mock WBA Fans Over Berahino On Twitter

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/01/22/newcastle-fans-mock-west-brom-on-twitter-over-berahino-sale/

Chris Page @ChrisPage_Boz

So West Brom accept £10m bid for Berahino when they knocked back our £20m bid last January! Backwards club them like!! #NUFC #WBA
5:38 PM - 20 Jan 2017


Not at all, Chris. Worth £10m to help send you lot down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on January 23, 2017, 10:15:58 AM
So by your own admission you dont have an idea what went on?? Then you have the temerity to call other users on here clueless??? Well that can stop instantly.

What we do know is that Berahino couldnt keep himself off social media, commited footballing suicide at this club with his actions after the Spurs debacle and hasnt knuckled down and played to his best until his move materialised...had to be sent to fat camp twice after a hard pre-season where he actually looked fit to go from that to fat camp twice between August and December is nothing more than bad practice.

Im not talking about him personally, I dont know him personally, I can only comment on what I see, what ive seen is a terribly advised but very immature petulant bloke who thinks he is above this club.

Its no suprise that you are in a small majority who have backed him as the majority can see exactly what he was

Ill reiterate my point that im over the moon he has gone, since he has been taken out the side we have gone from strength to strength

I agree with you there.  It is a shame as he really had a lot of potential but, even only taking what we know at face value, he's clearly difficult to manage.  It's not like we didn't have warnings, he scored 4 in 8 appearances for Brentford yet they STILL opted to send him back to us.  He's lurched from one social media issue to another.

I think Pulis has given him every chance to turn things around here but he's just not taken them.  The few games he's played he's looked awful, you couldn't keep picking him when his performances were so poor.

Despite us sending him to the conditioning camp a couple of times, and him knowing that he wants a move, he's still nowhere fit enough to play, just look at Hughes' comments about him.  Pulis said the same thing and it was "throwing him under the bus".

The most annoying thing is, even with a breakdown between club and player, it was better for everyone all around to have a fit and scoring Berahino.  We'd benefit as a club with goals and he'd get the move he wanted.  Only his petulance has stopped this.

You just KNOW he'll score against us though.  Grrr
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 23, 2017, 10:31:34 AM
So many bitter fans with so much hatred towards a person although no one knows what really went on behind closed doors.

All we have is the media's poor stories (Saw one earlier, trying to slate him because stoke tweeted a picture - worst part is, clueless people on here actually believed it) and pulis' version of it all... he's a great kid, he got sent to france twice, he came back in better shape with a better mindset twice (all according to pulis)... yet it's very clear, regardless if he was fit or not... pulis had no intention of getting him involved with the squad and playing games.

No one got on with him, all the dressing room hated him ... yet all over social media was saido 'sociallising' and praising the club and our players the past few months  ::) (mainly live videos of him with wba players that didn't get mentioned because it aint a negative story about him)

I think it was best for the club and saido to go seperate ways and im very glad we made a bit of money from a player we didn't pay a fee for... the club did well to get anything for him. 

Will be interesting to see how hughes deals with the situation considering perfect pulis couldn't help him.

You seem to have totally ignored the the bust up at Brenford with Uwe Rosler, the drink driving, the photo on the plane intended to wind up fans. This from an employee under contract to play football for our club who will earn more this year than you will in your life time.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 23, 2017, 10:38:16 AM
all other fans supporters will now realise hes trouble when he beds in with the mighty potters.Other teams supporters might stop blaming our club for stalling his career
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 23, 2017, 10:43:01 AM
Newcastle Fans Mock WBA Fans Over Berahino On Twitter

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/01/22/newcastle-fans-mock-west-brom-on-twitter-over-berahino-sale/

Chris Page @ChrisPage_Boz

So West Brom accept £10m bid for Berahino when they knocked back our £20m bid last January! Backwards club them like!! #NUFC #WBA
5:38 PM - 20 Jan 2017


Not at all, Chris. Worth £10m to help send you lot down.

Also worth bearing in mind that he wanted to go to a bigger club........ :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 23, 2017, 11:13:30 AM
So by your own admission you dont have an idea what went on?? Then you have the temerity to call other users on here clueless??? Well that can stop instantly.

What we do know is that Berahino couldnt keep himself off social media, commited footballing suicide at this club with his actions after the Spurs debacle and hasnt knuckled down and played to his best until his move materialised...had to be sent to fat camp twice after a hard pre-season where he actually looked fit to go from that to fat camp twice between August and December is nothing more than bad practice.

Im not talking about him personally, I dont know him personally, I can only comment on what I see, what ive seen is a terribly advised but very immature petulant bloke who thinks he is above this club.

Its no suprise that you are in a small majority who have backed him as the majority can see exactly what he was

Ill reiterate my point that im over the moon he has gone, since he has been taken out the side we have gone from strength to strength

If you learn to read, I called people clueless for sharing a link, claiming saido is upto his 'games' again... when the link clearly states STOKE tweeted it.... NOT SAIDO. (JUST ANOTHER REASON TO ABUSE HIM WHEN HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING WRONG REGARDS TO THAT SPECIFIC TOPIC).

You say he hasn't knuckled down since the spurs debacle... now before you or anyone else claim I'm blaming pulis I'M NOT... but you can't exactly believe pulis has gave him the chance to prove himself surely?! ... the amount of times pulis as said things like "his heads in a better place, he's a lot fitter than he was etc etc"... but still continued to not involve him even has a sub to get his "match fitness" up by giving him 15/20 mins every now and then... may I add.. especially at a time where we had lots of fixtures and rondon has looked tired and fatigued... and we're already short on players?

Can I ask where he has said he thinks he is bigger than the club?.... spurs showed interest... he wanted to move on to better himself... EVERY other player at our club would want to move to spurs if they believe they were genuinely interested... I believe he tweeted about peace, not the club... all over his twitter and instagram he was praising #WBA and our players... unless he has taken it down it will be there for everyone to see... but once again, it's not a negative so the bitter people on here won't want to mention that.

I also agree with you, like I said in my previous post... I feel the only option was to part and glad we have and actually got a decent fee from it... but it will be interesting to see if Hughes can get him playing games and scoring.

I had a look on stokes website and do you know how many of them say they appreciate what pulis did for them but the way saido was treated wasn't helped by pulis as he has done.the same there in his time there?  No idea who they are talking about but if the majority are on about it then it does make you wonder.

I won't wish saido well and hope he does on to great things but I definitely won't wish anything bad on him, he no longer plays for us therefore he is just a neutral player in my eyes like everyone else.... it's just amusing how people wanted him gone so badly.. yet they can't stop obsessing over him  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 23, 2017, 11:15:25 AM
If you learn to read, I called people clueless for sharing a link, claiming saido is upto his 'games' again... when the link clearly states STOKE tweeted it.... NOT SAIDO. (JUST ANOTHER REASON TO ABUSE HIM WHEN HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING WRONG REGARDS TO THAT SPECIFIC TOPIC).

You say he hasn't knuckled down since the spurs debacle... now before you or anyone else claim I'm blaming pulis I'M NOT... but you can't exactly believe pulis has gave him the chance to prove himself surely?! ... the amount of times pulis as said things like "his heads in a better place, he's a lot fitter than he was etc etc"... but still continued to not involve him even has a sub to get his "match fitness" up by giving him 15/20 mins every now and then... may I add.. especially at a time where we had lots of fixtures and rondon has looked tired and fatigued... and we're already short on players?

Can I ask where he has said he thinks he is bigger than the club?.... spurs showed interest... he wanted to move on to better himself... EVERY other player at our club would want to move to spurs if they believe they were genuinely interested... I believe he tweeted about peace, not the club... all over his twitter and instagram he was praising #WBA and our players... unless he has taken it down it will be there for everyone to see... but once again, it's not a negative so the bitter people on here won't want to mention that.

I also agree with you, like I said in my previous post... I feel the only option was to part and glad we have and actually got a decent fee from it... but it will be interesting to see if Hughes can get him playing games and scoring.

I had a look on stokes website and do you know how many of them say they appreciate what pulis did for them but the way saido was treated wasn't helped by pulis as he has done.the same there in his time there?  No idea who they are talking about but if the majority are on about it then it does make you wonder.

I won't wish saido well and hope he does on to great things but I definitely won't wish anything bad on him, he no longer plays for us therefore he is just a neutral player in my eyes like everyone else.... it's just amusing how people wanted him gone so badly.. yet they can't stop obsessing over him  ::)

... :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on January 23, 2017, 11:15:57 AM
Saido wearing the shirt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM0TT1XnZ00
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stokelad84 on January 23, 2017, 11:33:01 AM

You say he hasn't knuckled down since the spurs debacle... now before you or anyone else claim I'm blaming pulis I'M NOT... but you can't exactly believe pulis has gave him the chance to prove himself surely?! ... the amount of times pulis as said things like "his heads in a better place, he's a lot fitter than he was etc etc"... but still continued to not involve him even has a sub to get his "match fitness" up by giving him 15/20 mins every now and then... may I add.. especially at a time where we had lots of fixtures and rondon has looked tired and fatigued... and we're already short on players?


In Pulis' first season Berahino was picked 22 times and scored 11 goals. (Boosted by the 4 against Gateshead).

Last season he was picked 35 times and scored 7 goals. (Boosted by 4 in the cups). So there was a definite drop off in form/effort. Rondon was struggling to adapt to the new league and still managed to finish with 10 goals.

Then even this pre season Pulis picked Rondon and Berahino up front in games to try and get them to gel together. By the time the season kicked in he was picked 5 times, scored no goals and even had a penalty miss in the cup.

The numbers say he's got worse and worse. How many more chances should he have had?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on January 23, 2017, 11:48:57 AM
You say he hasn't knuckled down since the spurs debacle... now before you or anyone else claim I'm blaming pulis I'M NOT... but you can't exactly believe pulis has gave him the chance to prove himself surely?! ... the amount of times pulis as said things like "his heads in a better place, he's a lot fitter than he was etc etc"... but still continued to not involve him even has a sub to get his "match fitness" up by giving him 15/20 mins every now and then... may I add.. especially at a time where we had lots of fixtures and rondon has looked tired and fatigued... and we're already short on players?

There's a couple of options here...

1) Berahino is fit, ready to go and working hard in training.
2) He's exactly where Pulis has said he is, well short of fitness and is head isn't in the right place.

Now, consider these...

* Rondon looked tired
* We're short on players
* It benefits the club if Berahino plays well.
* It would also see his transfer fee go up.

We know Pulis didn't pick him, so which do you think is more likely from the original two points, 1 or 2?  It says more about Berahino that despite the points you make Pulis still felt that he couldn't play him. 

I can't think of a single reason why, given the above, that Pulis would choose not to play him?  Just out of spite?  What evidence is there for that?  Yet we have PILES of evidence that he just wasn't up to much for one reason or the other.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 23, 2017, 11:51:27 AM
In Pulis' first season Berahino was picked 22 times and scored 11 goals. (Boosted by the 4 against Gateshead). You mean the time he didn't celebrate scoring against a very smaller team due to not getting over excited and showing abit of respect ... which had people moaning about and slating him? yet he's big headed?  ::)

Last season he was picked 35 times and scored 7 goals. (Boosted by 4 in the cups). So there was a definite drop off in form/effort. Rondon was struggling to adapt to the new league and still managed to finish with 10 goals.

Then even this pre season Pulis picked Rondon and Berahino up front in games to try and get them to gel together. By the time the season kicked in he was picked 5 times, scored no goals and even had a penalty miss in the cup.

The numbers say he's got worse and worse. How many more chances should he have had?

Im talking about around the time he was sent to france, pulis kept saying his heads in a better place, he's came back in better shape etc etc... but still didn't play him or even get him on the bench... why if he's in better shape and his minds right at a time we really could of done with giving rondon a rest?

Just saying, people claim he wasn't making the effort or trying to get involved but if the gaffer isnt going to pick you regardless, how can he put the effort in? so he just ended up praising #WBA every game on twitter and instagram. (why aint everyone slating him for that?)

I think the biggest problem is, he was seen as this young lad with so much potential... he then made some completely stupid mistakes - drinking driving and what not... that no matter how much he changed or tried to change, the media will always be against him as he is an easy story and majority of fans will believe everything the media say.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 23, 2017, 11:56:44 AM
If you learn to read, I called people clueless for sharing a link, claiming saido is upto his 'games' again... when the link clearly states STOKE tweeted it.... NOT SAIDO. (JUST ANOTHER REASON TO ABUSE HIM WHEN HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING WRONG REGARDS TO THAT SPECIFIC TOPIC).

You say he hasn't knuckled down since the spurs debacle... now before you or anyone else claim I'm blaming pulis I'M NOT... but you can't exactly believe pulis has gave him the chance to prove himself surely?! ... the amount of times pulis as said things like "his heads in a better place, he's a lot fitter than he was etc etc"... but still continued to not involve him even has a sub to get his "match fitness" up by giving him 15/20 mins every now and then... may I add.. especially at a time where we had lots of fixtures and rondon has looked tired and fatigued... and we're already short on players?

Can I ask where he has said he thinks he is bigger than the club?.... spurs showed interest... he wanted to move on to better himself... EVERY other player at our club would want to move to spurs if they believe they were genuinely interested... I believe he tweeted about peace, not the club... all over his twitter and instagram he was praising #WBA and our players... unless he has taken it down it will be there for everyone to see... but once again, it's not a negative so the bitter people on here won't want to mention that.

I also agree with you, like I said in my previous post... I feel the only option was to part and glad we have and actually got a decent fee from it... but it will be interesting to see if Hughes can get him playing games and scoring.

I had a look on stokes website and do you know how many of them say they appreciate what pulis did for them but the way saido was treated wasn't helped by pulis as he has done.the same there in his time there?  No idea who they are talking about but if the majority are on about it then it does make you wonder.

I won't wish saido well and hope he does on to great things but I definitely won't wish anything bad on him, he no longer plays for us therefore he is just a neutral player in my eyes like everyone else.... it's just amusing how people wanted him gone so badly.. yet they can't stop obsessing over him  ::)

I can read thanks

You call people clueless but then by your own admission state that no one knows what went on...that was what I was replying too

He said in an interview to Sky that he was playing to get a move to a bigger club, so if you learn to read I didnt say he was 'bigger' then the club I said he thinks he is 'above' the club...

He said he wouldnt play for Peace, however he never played for Peace he played for the club....so if he doesnt play for Peace he doesnt play the club, its the same thing he was just being cute

Nice rant though

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 23, 2017, 11:59:21 AM
Adamw your the one obsessing over him because your still writing about about your buddy I will say this again



           >:(  He`s not worth the effort CLOSE THIS BL** dy thread lets get back to normality  >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 23, 2017, 12:04:05 PM
There's a couple of options here...

1) Berahino is fit, ready to go and working hard in training.
2) He's exactly where Pulis has said he is, well short of fitness and is head isn't in the right place.

Now, consider these...

* Rondon looked tired
* We're short on players
* It benefits the club if Berahino plays well.
* It would also see his transfer fee go up.

We know Pulis didn't pick him, so which do you think is more likely from the original two points, 1 or 2?  It says more about Berahino that despite the points you make Pulis still felt that he couldn't play him. 

I can't think of a single reason why, given the above, that Pulis would choose not to play him?  Just out of spite?  What evidence is there for that?  Yet we have PILES of evidence that he just wasn't up to much for one reason or the other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaFZYcWtawg

Pulis words - "Having been away for a week and speaking to him yesterday, he looks mentally much better, prepared, physically he's cut a little bit... but he hasn't played a game for nearly three months, so that's the next step now trying to get him integrated in games"

That should answer your question.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 23, 2017, 12:06:38 PM
Adamw your the one obsessing over him because your still writing about about your buddy I will say this again



           >:(  He`s not worth the effort CLOSE THIS BL** dy thread lets get back to normality  >:(

I'm replying to peoples posts, I'm entitled to ain't I?

Not my problem if it bothers people so much you are not forced to read the thread  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on January 23, 2017, 01:06:26 PM
Funny reading the comments on the Oatcake, they seem uncertain whether they have signed a striker or adopted a puppy, rescued from the evil West Brom.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on January 23, 2017, 01:11:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaFZYcWtawg

Pulis words - "Having been away for a week and speaking to him yesterday, he looks mentally much better, prepared, physically he's cut a little bit... but he hasn't played a game for nearly three months, so that's the next step now trying to get him integrated in games"

That should answer your question.

It doesn't though.  How did the next step go?  What was his attitude like when he was back at the club?

As I said, I can't think of a single reason that we'd keep Berahino out of the side if his attitude and fitness were pretty much there.  All the evidence points to Pulis being correct.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ABaggie on January 23, 2017, 01:13:21 PM
From the articles that i have read it seems that Mark Hughes is concerned about Berahino's fitness. Now there's a surprise!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 23, 2017, 01:18:27 PM
From the articles that i have read it seems that Mark Hughes is concerned about Berahino's fitness. Now there's a surprise!

I'm not paying too much attention to those comments, he may be physically fit but he needs to get match sharp and that only comes with game time so I expect them to sort some friendlies out and bring him through slowly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 23, 2017, 01:24:18 PM
I just wish this thread would end and we can all move on.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 23, 2017, 01:39:57 PM
Funny reading the comments on the Oatcake, they seem uncertain whether they have signed a striker or adopted a puppy, rescued from the evil West Brom.

I wonder if he's going to drop his sh it all over the place  ;D .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 23, 2017, 01:44:37 PM
I just wish this thread would end and we can all move on.......

Why is it continuing? Usually threads are closed the second a deal is done?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 23, 2017, 01:47:49 PM
leave it open i say, at least untill he moves to Newport county
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 23, 2017, 02:01:13 PM
so mark bowen reckons he needs a tin hat for his return, i sit just behind the away bench. i might just have a few pre match drinks
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on January 23, 2017, 02:04:39 PM
leave it open i say, at least untill he moves to Newport county
Hey! my missus is from Newport & all her family are County fans so I suppose they are my 2nd team! What have they done to deserve that wished on them! >:( ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 23, 2017, 02:05:32 PM
Hey! my missus is from Newport & all her family are County fans so I suppose they are my 2nd team! What have they done to deserve that wished on them! >:( ;D


ok sorry, colwyn bay then :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 23, 2017, 02:12:35 PM
Just had a read of the oatcake  ;D

They think they are a level above us?? check the table

Moved to a bigger club??...check the history books

It was all the clubs fault for his actions??

Think we are playing Pulisball still?? I believe we are playing better football than them right now

There are some posters on there who do seem to get it...but they get shouted down with swear words and oh dears

And no we cant swear on this forum...why?? because its a decent forum thats why  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 23, 2017, 02:17:03 PM
any stokies reading this we have won 6 more trophies than you, been in englands top flight many more years than you. you are a city and deluded
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 23, 2017, 02:31:13 PM
any stokies reading this we have won 6 more trophies than you, been in englands top flight many more years than you. you are a city and deluded

But that cant be true they are a bigger club....... :-X

Saido has taken a sideways move at best....im sure if they get him going he will score goals, he will also attract attention from bigger clubs and want to move again

I dont get Stoke fans, they think Berahino is innocent whilst putting Pulis down with insults, without him they wouldnt be anywhere near where they are now.

Vile deluded supporters....the club I dont mind itself they are an original member like us and I like that kind of history but reading the oatcake makes you wonder about their mental abilities
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on January 23, 2017, 02:31:34 PM
The gift that keeps on giving

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ex-west-brom-striker-saido-12492754
 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ex-west-brom-striker-saido-12492754)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 23, 2017, 02:34:01 PM
But that cant be true they are a bigger club....... :-X

Saido has taken a sideways move at best....im sure if they get him going he will score goals, he will also attract attention from bigger clubs and want to move again

I dont get Stoke fans, they think Berahino is innocent whilst putting Pulis down with insults, without him they wouldnt be anywhere near where they are now.

Vile deluded supporters....the club I dont mind itself they are an original member like us and I like that kind of history but reading the oatcake makes you wonder about their mental abilities

I also noticed that and reading through... many of them have mentioned a good handful of players that were treated unfairly or froze out under pulis so obviously that's why they say that.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 23, 2017, 02:36:25 PM
The gift that keeps on giving

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ex-west-brom-striker-saido-12492754
 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ex-west-brom-striker-saido-12492754)

This was posted earlier and is a bit of a clickbait headline, the actual "story" is opposite to what the headline suggests.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 23, 2017, 02:36:41 PM
But that cant be true they are a bigger club....... :-X

Saido has taken a sideways move at best....im sure if they get him going he will score goals, he will also attract attention from bigger clubs and want to move again

I dont get Stoke fans, they think Berahino is innocent whilst putting Pulis down with insults, without him they wouldnt be anywhere near where they are now.

Vile deluded supporters....the club I dont mind itself they are an original member like us and I like that kind of history but reading the oatcake makes you wonder about their mental abilities


considering they are a founder member like ourselves they aint won much have they :D Port Vale are bigger than what they are
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 23, 2017, 02:37:00 PM
No point closing the thread, every time he plays whatever he does a new thread would appear. With that said he's nothing to do with us now so this is the right place for the thread now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 23, 2017, 02:38:33 PM
The gift that keeps on giving

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ex-west-brom-striker-saido-12492754
 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ex-west-brom-striker-saido-12492754)



 :D :D what a 42 ct plonker he really his
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 23, 2017, 02:39:28 PM
No point closing the thread, every time he plays whatever he does a new thread would appear. With that said he's nothing to do with us now so this is the right place for the thread now.


the ex players thread is not worthy of his name :). good to see this has been demoted
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 23, 2017, 03:09:01 PM
I also noticed that and reading through... many of them have mentioned a good handful of players that were treated unfairly or froze out under pulis so obviously that's why they say that.

I think all managers have frozen out players at every club they have been too...its not a new thing exclusive to Pulis

Im laughing more at how they treat us with contempt and blame the club for everything regarding Saido's situation....



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 23, 2017, 04:00:57 PM
I think all managers have frozen out players at every club they have been too...its not a new thing exclusive to Pulis

Im laughing more at how they treat us with contempt and blame the club for everything regarding Saido's situation....

I guess it's an only time will tell situation, what amazes me is the length of the contract that has been offered by stoke and accepted by saido.

We as fans are led to believe he's the sort of player to score a few goals, get interest from other clubs then demand to leave..... if that is true then a 5 and half year contract can only go pear shaped?!

Be interesting to see how it pans out over the next few seasons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on January 23, 2017, 05:04:00 PM
I guess it's an only time will tell situation, what amazes me is the length of the contract that has been offered by stoke and accepted by saido.

We as fans are led to believe he's the sort of player to score a few goals, get interest from other clubs then demand to leave..... if that is true then a 5 and half year contract can only go pear shaped?!

Be interesting to see how it pans out over the next few seasons.

Once he gets fit there will be a love in for 6-12 months, by when he will bring them into dis-repute with some stupid off the pitch stuff (social media will be involved) and he / they will fall out.

I'm bookmarking this prophecy for review xmas 2019!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 23, 2017, 05:11:46 PM
Once he gets fit there will be a love in for 6-12 months, by when he will bring them into dis-repute with some stupid off the pitch stuff (social media will be involved) and he / they will fall out.

I'm bookmarking this prophecy for review xmas 2019!


i will keep feeding him Nitrious
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 23, 2017, 08:33:29 PM
But that cant be true they are a bigger club....... :-X

Saido has taken a sideways move at best....im sure if they get him going he will score goals, he will also attract attention from bigger clubs and want to move again

I dont get Stoke fans, they think Berahino is innocent whilst putting Pulis down with insults, without him they wouldnt be anywhere near where they are now.

Vile deluded supporters....the club I dont mind itself they are an original member like us and I like that kind of history but reading the oatcake makes you wonder about their mental abilities

Agreed
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 23, 2017, 08:35:03 PM
leave it open i say, at least untill he moves to Newport county

Morecambe.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 23, 2017, 11:02:15 PM
Chapter in our history that when looked at in detail, without agendas, I believe very few people will come out of it well.

I generally don't have blue and white tinted glasses, try and take what comes out of the Albion with a pinch of salt, and don't believe every word that is delivered in the press as I recognize that we have our  reasons for being economical with the truth. Our (potentially/arguably?) most talented graduate from the academy and yet we have got rid of him with the general acceptance that this was a good thing (and with really nasty vitriol in some cases). I can understand why fans of other clubs are questioning what has gone on.

For me now , he is just another ex-Albion player who in different circumstances could have starred for us. Like many who have had potential before him and many who will follow. Had we continued the Peace philosophy of maintaining a style of football within the club and bringing in coaches to continue that style, maybe he would have flourished. .... and maybe we would have been relegated!

Some of the comments that I have seen should be saved for people who have done real crimes.







Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on January 23, 2017, 11:28:28 PM
 Like drink driving at 110 mph  and putting any other road user`s life`s in danger Mmmmm you don`t need blue and white tinted glasses to believe that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 24, 2017, 03:39:07 AM
Like drink driving at 110 mph  and putting any other road user`s life`s in danger Mmmmm you don`t need blue and white tinted glasses to believe that

I'm so against drink driving and agree with you... but when will you realise that saido was not the only bad person at the club?

Majority of players do stupid things, but saido had eyes on him from everywhere due to his so called potential...

We have a frigging manager who has been caught out for fraud that lied and practically stole millions from his last club (which has been proven by the courts) ... along with blatently not getting on with the chairman not so long back which was made very clear in interviews... yet if anyone says a bad word about him you start moaning at them ... time to take off your tinted glasses, can't have one rule for one and a different rule for the other   ;)

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on January 24, 2017, 07:33:36 AM
Dunno about closing the thread but certainly move it to the ex-players thread?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 24, 2017, 08:02:58 AM
Like drink driving at 110 mph  and putting any other road user`s life`s in danger Mmmmm you don`t need blue and white tinted glasses to believe that
You're right he did something stupid. Our latest signing got caught having taken class A drugs, I trust you will be as sympathetic towards him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 24, 2017, 09:07:19 AM
You're right he did something stupid. Our latest signing got caught having taken class A drugs, I trust you will be as sympathetic towards him?

I have some sympathy for Livermore as he was getting over the death of his baby son. I don't have kids but I would imagine if I had lost one I would want to numb the pain whether through alcohol or other drugs. We all cope with adverse situations in different ways, I'm not sure how I would have reacted given the same situation.
I'm not condoning Livermore's use of cocaine but I can empathise with him.

Also Livermore didn't risk anyone else's life by taking cocaine.

I can't recall what Berahino's excuse for drink driving was.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on January 24, 2017, 09:48:32 AM
You're right he did something stupid. Our latest signing got caught having taken class A drugs, I trust you will be as sympathetic towards him?
You can maybe forgive stupidity once( not in Lee Hughes case though) but not countless times like Saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 24, 2017, 02:30:50 PM
I have some sympathy for Livermore as he was getting over the death of his baby son. I don't have kids but I would imagine if I had lost one I would want to numb the pain whether through alcohol or other drugs. We all cope with adverse situations in different ways, I'm not sure how I would have reacted given the same situation.
I'm not condoning Livermore's use of cocaine but I can empathise with him.

Also Livermore didn't risk anyone else's life by taking cocaine.

I can't recall what Berahino's excuse for drink driving was.

This is more about hypocrisy than empathy. Neither (that has been reported) harmed anybody else, both committed a crime and the consequences could potentially have been different in both cases.

You can empathise with Livermore but you don't know what he did whilst taking cocaine? He could equally have driven down a motorway, been responsible for heavy lifting gear  :D or snorting at home alone. Also, I assume that he didn't obtain the cocaine legally and therefore there is no knowing what damage the money has subsequently funded.

I am in no way suggesting that Livermore deserves abuse (quite the contrary).

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 24, 2017, 02:32:56 PM
You can maybe forgive stupidity once( not in Lee Hughes case though) but not countless times like Saido

I guess that depends on your ability to count  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Nocky on January 24, 2017, 10:07:33 PM
Good riddance. A complete waste of space over the last 18 months. We're far better off without him!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 25, 2017, 05:17:20 PM
You'll never get past cloudio he's magic you know
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 26, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/264877/song-berahino

the fat lady sings
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on January 27, 2017, 03:31:40 PM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/582611/Saido-Berahino-West-Brom-Stoke

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/heres-what-saido-berahino-say-12517522

There you go you moaners, two links for the people itching to moan and slag him off more - don't sound like most will get their wish of a west brom player 'crunching' him whenever he plays against us whenever that may be. ;) :-*
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on January 27, 2017, 03:52:16 PM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/582611/Saido-Berahino-West-Brom-Stoke

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/heres-what-saido-berahino-say-12517522

There you go you moaners, two links for the people itching to moan and slag him off more - don't sound like most will get their wish of a west brom player 'crunching' him whenever he plays against us whenever that may be. ;) :-*
Too little too late,far too Late,why didn't he issue a similar statement anytime within the last two years? He could easily gave done it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on January 27, 2017, 05:11:57 PM
Too little too late,far too Late,why didn't he issue a similar statement anytime within the last two years? He could easily gave done it
Is this not about his fifth apology? The problem that Berahino has isn't about apologising, it's about learning. The first seems to come easily, the second seems to be considerably more elusive
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on January 27, 2017, 05:29:08 PM
Is this not about his fifth apology? The problem that Berahino has isn't about apologising, it's about learning. The first seems to come easily, the second seems to be considerably more elusive
Adolescence is described as the years of 13 to 19.
time to re-evaluate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on January 27, 2017, 08:06:58 PM
Not really an apology as such. All I read from those links were it was everyone's fault and the fans booed me because they didn't know the full story. Hardly a 'I'm sorry for the way I acted and take full responsibility'
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 02, 2017, 10:29:39 PM
anyone heard about this before today.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/870311662?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on February 02, 2017, 10:38:35 PM
The real reason Beras**t was not playing for the Albion has come to light the little to**er was banned for taking drugs


By MATT LAWTON FOR THE DAILY MAIL  and SAMI MOKBEL FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 22:12, 2 February 2017 | UPDATED: 22:31, 2 February 2017
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on February 02, 2017, 10:41:47 PM
The real reason Beras**t was not playing for the Albion has come to light the little to**er was banned for taking drugs


By MATT LAWTON FOR THE DAILY MAIL  and SAMI MOKBEL FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 22:12, 2 February 2017 | UPDATED: 22:31, 2 February 2017

lol...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4185496/Saido-Berahino-drug-shock-FA-banned-failed-test.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4185496/Saido-Berahino-drug-shock-FA-banned-failed-test.html)

If you're from the Oatcake and you're reading this, remember we're all just delusional here and he's actually a very good little boy. Enjoy  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on February 02, 2017, 10:43:51 PM
Not before tonight but now we know why he dropped of the radar  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 02, 2017, 10:47:17 PM
lol...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4185496/Saido-Berahino-drug-shock-FA-banned-failed-test.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4185496/Saido-Berahino-drug-shock-FA-banned-failed-test.html)

If you're from the Oatcake and you're reading this, remember we're all just delusional here and he's actually a very good little boy. Enjoy  ;D
be interesting to read their view on the newly acquired angel.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on February 02, 2017, 10:49:39 PM
be interesting to read their view on the newly acquired angel.

It's the clubs fault of course, poor little Berahino has been the victim in all of this remember. Like the time he inebriated off the England senior squad and got sent back early from Uwe Rosler. But remember, it's definitely West Brom who are the problem here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion07 on February 02, 2017, 10:50:12 PM
Well the extenuating circumstances part makes it sound like he probably inhaled some weed fumes or something, silly boy though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kirk on February 02, 2017, 10:52:26 PM
Fuming this git has been paid all of this time while the club the fa protected him. All the time the snide remarks that he was fit. WBA should come out with a statement and list all of his issues !!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 02, 2017, 10:54:39 PM
from the oatcake     soon to be known as the fruitcake.

He's scores goals, he scores goals.....Berahino

He's scores goals, he's scored goals for fun

He's scores goals, he scores goals.....Berahino

And we freed him from the Tesco bags!! Boing Boing

he scores all right...... but it ay goals :D
just had a look on the oatcake and yep its all our fault blaming a JP and TP conspiracy.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 02, 2017, 11:08:53 PM
Adam? Calling Adam? Come in Adam?

 ;D :-*
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 02, 2017, 11:09:39 PM
If this is true how the heck did this not come out at the time.

Have West Brom suddenly got MI5 level of security now or something :o

Good opportunity for some new chants on Saturday though
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 02, 2017, 11:10:11 PM
Adam? Calling Adam? Come in Adam?

 ;D :-*

Was just thinking that. Can't wait to see him try and talk his way out of this one  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on February 02, 2017, 11:10:26 PM
so glad hes not our problem anymore,overated and at 12 million overpriced,he will end up in league 2 at best before 2020.been more trouble than he was ever worth
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 02, 2017, 11:10:39 PM
Merged into the main Berahino thread.

I do not want that annoying, irritating scumbag clogging up the main forum
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on February 02, 2017, 11:12:31 PM
Adam? Calling Adam? Come in Adam?

 ;D :-*

WOW.

Must have really touched a nerve when i didn't share the same opinion as you a while back didn't i?

Glad im always on your mind sweetcheeks  ;) :-*
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 02, 2017, 11:15:06 PM
WOW.

Must have really touched a nerve when i didn't share the same opinion as you a while back didn't i?

Glad im always on your mind sweetcheeks  ;) :-*

Never mind all that what are your thoughts on how Berahino has been treated by the club?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on February 02, 2017, 11:19:15 PM
Do you think they will bring the little scrotum to the Hawthorns or hide him away like those three months on sick leave
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on February 02, 2017, 11:29:02 PM
Never mind all that what are your thoughts on how Berahino has been treated by the club?

Well that's something I won't have an opinion on because not one of us on here really know how he was treated by the club.

Saido said in an interview something along the lines of "I was asked to sign a new contract at the same time of playing a few games, but didn't feel like i was part of pulis' plans so didn't want to sign then i get dropped and accused of being fat/overweight that same week" (bit of a coincidence ain't it? and if that's the case then pulis has just lied to the fans again).

Now reports are that he has failed a drug test months ago and that's the reason he was dropped.

As much as you hate him, do you really believe you or anyone else on here really know the facts enough to slate someone so much? Bare in mind all we have reporting things are the media and a guy who has recently been in court for lying to and robbing millions from his last club - and no one can say that's not true otherwise he wouldn't have to pay them back.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on February 02, 2017, 11:36:43 PM
Well that's something I won't have an opinion on because not one of us on here really know how he was treated by the club.

Saido said in an interview something along the lines of "I was asked to sign a new contract at the same time of playing a few games, but didn't feel like i was part of pulis' plans so didn't want to sign then i get dropped and accused of being fat/overweight that same week" (bit of a coincidence ain't it? and if that's the case then pulis has just lied to the fans again).

Now reports are that he has failed a drug test months ago and that's the reason he was dropped.

As much as you hate him, do you really believe you or anyone else on here really know the facts enough to slate someone so much? Bare in mind all we have reporting things are the media and a guy who has recently been in court for lying to and robbing millions from his last club - and no one can say that's not true otherwise he wouldn't have to pay them back.
if you cant see hes a bad apple then i feel sorry for your inteligence.ffs how many times has he shat on us and every club hes been on loan to?once questionable but muliti times that goes out the window
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on February 02, 2017, 11:42:34 PM
However he was treated by the club it was infinitely better than the little scrote deserved. Jesus Christ how have we managed to get ANY money for him is beyond incredible. Livermore was banned for drug usage after having a breakdown over the loss of a child. What's Berahino's excuse if it's mitigating circumstances?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: adamw1109 on February 02, 2017, 11:44:45 PM
if you cant see hes a bad apple then i feel sorry for your inteligence.ffs how many times has he shat on us and every club hes been on loan to?once questionable but muliti times that goes out the window

Don't worry about my intelligence, it's got me a very successful career and happy life...I'm all good I can assure you  ;D save it for someone else.

I'm not saying he's not a bad apple, I've said on here many times that i don't see any option for him other than move on from the club... but people assume because i won't slag someone off constantly that I'm defending them, I'm not... petty comments and hurling abuse at people is just not in my nature unless they intentionally 'attack' me on purpose (physically or verbally).

I'm all up for giving my opinion on a player after a match etc, but off the field antics don't affect me so I will not lose sleep over what players get up to in their spare time like most people on here will.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 02, 2017, 11:45:46 PM
Well that's something I won't have an opinion on because not one of us on here really know how he was treated by the club.

Saido said in an interview something along the lines of "I was asked to sign a new contract at the same time of playing a few games, but didn't feel like i was part of pulis' plans so didn't want to sign then i get dropped and accused of being fat/overweight that same week" (bit of a coincidence ain't it? and if that's the case then pulis has just lied to the fans again).

Now reports are that he has failed a drug test months ago and that's the reason he was dropped.

As much as you hate him, do you really believe you or anyone else on here really know the facts enough to slate someone so much? Bare in mind all we have reporting things are the media and a guy who has recently been in court for lying to and robbing millions from his last club - and no one can say that's not true otherwise he wouldn't have to pay them back.

He wasn't dropped he was suspended. By the FA, as in not available for selection.

If he didn't have a monetary value i imagine he would have been sacked, so I'm not suggesting the club has acted out of the goodness of their hearts, but my word he's been treated extremely well in the circumstances.

This isn't a kid, he's a 20 plus year old man.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 02, 2017, 11:54:13 PM
wonder who leaked the info if the FA has a policy of keeping the players name private.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 03, 2017, 12:07:55 AM
wonder who leaked the info if the FA has a policy of keeping the players name private.

Parting gift from Dan Ashworth to the fans 8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on February 03, 2017, 12:11:52 AM
This is absolutely in response to him and his fat obnoxious agent spouting garbage about how badly treated he was and how he's suffered. Wouldn't surprise me if this was leaked by us in retaliation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on February 03, 2017, 12:16:32 AM
This is absolutely in response to him and his fat obnoxious agent spouting garbage about how badly treated he was and how he's suffered. Wouldn't surprise me if this was leaked by us in retaliation.

the same thought went through my head too...

and in a lot of ways is justifiable too
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on February 03, 2017, 12:19:18 AM
wonder who leaked the info if the FA has a policy of keeping the players name private.


There seems to have been leaks around Saido, going back to the first of his nitrous oxide images back in 2014.  He appears to lack discretion on who he shares information with.  Or maybe its just somebody who is pi**ed off with his playing the vicitim in the media this week and his letting Pulis take all the flack for him.  I'm sure there will be one or two excitable school kid types on social media seeing some kind of conspiracy theory, with us playing them this weekend.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 03, 2017, 06:48:21 AM
See the news is starting to filter out why our 'superstar' was absent from the team

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-striker-saido-berahino-in-drugs-ban-claim/story-30108830-detail/story.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 03, 2017, 07:03:58 AM
One recreational drug user out, one recreational drug user in.

Could be worse, he could have been dealing them whilst playing up front  :-X

Not our problem now.  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 03, 2017, 07:18:43 AM
Oatcake firmly pointing the finger at Pulis for the leaK. They're obsessed with TP.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sted1990 on February 03, 2017, 07:25:51 AM
Wow Is all I can say. How did he have the cheek to post things on Instagram regarding his fitness when we covered his back??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ben_westbrom on February 03, 2017, 07:31:33 AM
Seems weird that the club kept it quiet, probably would have hurt any fee we got for him.

I don't think anyone on here will be shocked about this and im sure more of his antics will come out in time.

Good riddance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on February 03, 2017, 07:39:33 AM
Presumably Stoke must have known?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 03, 2017, 07:47:25 AM
Presumably Stoke must have known?

The article in the mail said they were made aware of the ban before the transfer went through
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 03, 2017, 07:51:57 AM
If true then it answers a few questions........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on February 03, 2017, 07:54:45 AM
As I said in the other thread, the fact we managed to get £12-15m, for a player with six months left on his contract, who was in self destruct mode and could have ended any hopes of a sale with a drugs ban under his belt, is absolutely astounding.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 03, 2017, 08:00:12 AM
clayheads blaming us for the leak, i hope hes nowhere near the place tomorrow.

is this story true anyway no report on any nation sport station
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 03, 2017, 08:00:37 AM
If true then it answers a few questions........

I don't think there's any question of it not being true, just waiting for the next tit bit to be released
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 03, 2017, 08:02:29 AM
I don't think there's any question of it not being true, just waiting for the next tit bit to be released
I bet Tones glad to be shut of him.
Now it explains why Tone was Mr Vague in all those press conferences and sent him to 'fat camp' in France just to get him out of the way
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 03, 2017, 08:15:31 AM
I bet Tones glad to be shut of him.
Now it explains why Tone was Mr Vague in all those press conferences and sent him to 'fat camp' in France just to get him out of the way
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Drug rehabilitation unit more like.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 03, 2017, 08:23:25 AM
As I said in the other thread, the fact we managed to get £12-15m, for a player with six months left on his contract, who was in self destruct mode and could have ended any hopes of a sale with a drugs ban under his belt, is absolutely astounding.

Stunning to be honest.

Of course we wont mention it on the terraces tomorrow will we..... :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 03, 2017, 08:55:16 AM
See this is why I was absolutely delighted to be rid of this idiot from our club

So happy he has gone now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2017, 08:56:45 AM
Doesn't surprise me one bit.  I don't even care if we did leak it out of there, there's not much else we could have done for the player.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/02/02/saido-berahino-banned-failing-drug-test-west-brom-according/

I mean, check out the two pictures of him on there.  Look at his belly in the stoke shirt.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on February 03, 2017, 09:01:40 AM
Are some fans still going to clap him tomorrow like they did during his time here?

Never hated an ex-player as much as i do him. I despise the boy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 03, 2017, 09:06:36 AM
Anyone reading the oatcake  ;D

Its not Berahino's fault its all TP's fault?!!

there are a couple of posters saying this isnt right from Berahino and it explains a lot about his absence the rest are showing themselves to be the wrong'uns they are from Stoke.

He is your problem now, thanks for the millions, you signed a fat bloke who cant run anymore **laughs uncontrollably**
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 03, 2017, 09:08:30 AM
The guy is an absolute idiot to be doing recreational drugs as a pro athlete. I known substance abuse can be related to other issues someone can be suffering from, but just wow. What a tool.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 03, 2017, 09:09:51 AM
The guy is an absolute idiot to be doing recreational drugs as a pro athlete. I known substance abuse can be related to other issues someone can be suffering from, but just wow. What a tool.

Stokes tool now

I cant stop laughing at this if im honest
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on February 03, 2017, 09:13:58 AM
My pal at work suggested a drugs ban a few weeks ago! Spot on the money!
It does explain the non reactions from TP in the press and the 3 month playing absence, seems he isn't as white and clean as he likes to make out he is!
Be interesting to see if he turns up the weekend! 😂😂
Can't say I wanted it to turn out like this but there seems to be no helping some people.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 03, 2017, 09:14:45 AM
Stokes tool now

I cant stop laughing at this if im honest

It explains an awful lot. His massive drop in form, not being fit. If the guy had to turn to drugs to deal with not getting his transfer to a Spurs then his an idiot.

I know he has had a traumatic past as refugee but he has had plenty of support and opportunities to put that behind him. That would come over as a very poor excuse IMO.

My bet is he is still hanging around with the crowd he has been warned to leave.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 03, 2017, 09:18:41 AM
Are some fans still going to clap him tomorrow like they did during his time here?

Never hated an ex-player as much as i do him. I despise the boy.

I wouldn't be surprised.

The most sickening thing is he has been given more money at only 22 than me (or probably any of us on this forum) is ever likely to see, despite consistently behaving like a complete spoilt moron.

I wish no serious personal ill will on him but anyone that thinks he deserves any sort of appreciation needs their head checking
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 03, 2017, 09:19:29 AM
He said that he was 'very lost at West Brom'

Those streets in Handsworth can become quite confusing late a night when you are looking for your dealer...... ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2017, 09:23:45 AM
I think with this revelation, the club has done what we can really.  There's still question marks about not selling to Stoke last year - but in an effort to try and bring Berahino back into the team and playing, it feels like we've really given him every chance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kamarasboot on February 03, 2017, 09:29:02 AM
give it 6-12 months at Stoke and if he hits a barron spell, not in the starting 11 etc it'll happen all over again

1. epitomises everything that's wrong with the modern game - given too much too young
2. has a self destructive character

combine the two and you have an individual who thinks they are above everyone else and if things don't go their way fall off the rails dramatically believing that will get them back in favour somehow
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 03, 2017, 09:29:36 AM
Oatcake firmly pointing the finger at Pulis for the leaK. They're obsessed with TP.

very obsessed with him. Obviously they miss him

Its more likely one of his hangers on thought they could make a quick buck going to the press like they did with his Nitrous Oxide incidents..

he's fat he's round
he shares his lines around
Berahinoooo
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on February 03, 2017, 09:35:08 AM
Are some fans still going to clap him tomorrow like they did during his time here?

Never hated an ex-player as much as i do him. I despise the boy.

Probably. I'll shout abuse until I lose my voice.

The kid is a cretin
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2017, 09:41:51 AM
I wouldn't be surprised.

The most sickening thing is he has been given more money at only 22 than me (or probably any of us on this forum) is ever likely to see, despite consistently behaving like a complete spoilt moron.

I wish no serious personal ill will on him but anyone that thinks he deserves any sort of appreciation needs their head checking

I don't mind the cash thing personally.  If someone offered me £20k a week to play football you can bet your backside I would.  And in a way I'd rather the players got the money that's in the game than the CEO's pocketting it all.  It makes a change that the 'workers at the coalface' are the ones reaping the benefit.

What's annoying is players throwing the opportunity away.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2017, 09:59:19 AM
Turns out it was an 8 week ban according to Hughes - so we can be sure it's true now.

I wonder if those fans who think that Pulis wasn't supportive and should have played him more have changed their minds?  Would also explain the annoyance that he came back a porker despite the club standing by him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on February 03, 2017, 10:05:54 AM
Turns out it was an 8 week ban according to Hughes - so we can be sure it's true now.

I wonder if those fans who think that Pulis wasn't supportive and should have played him more have changed their minds?  Would also explain the annoyance that he came back a porker despite the club standing by him.

spot on!

He could score a hattrick tomorrow, i will still hate him, i will still fully believe he is the single most overrated player in the league (like I've mentioned during most of his time at Albion)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: buzzingbaggie on February 03, 2017, 10:11:26 AM
Well done to the club, players and TP for handling the situation the way they did. Round of applause.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 03, 2017, 10:14:38 AM
I for one didn't see this coming! Explains an awful lot though.

No longer our problem, move on !

Oh and very well handled WBAFC ! 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 03, 2017, 10:16:51 AM
I for one didn't see this coming! Explains an awful lot though.

No longer our problem, move on !

Oh and very well handled WBAFC !

Agreed. Many of us were criticising the club [me included] for not playing him etc

Its amazing how a simple fact clarifies the whole situation!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 03, 2017, 10:18:04 AM
anybody want to buy me seat just behind the away dugout :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 03, 2017, 10:21:01 AM
He deserves all the abuse he gets for how he has been at this club

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 03, 2017, 10:21:34 AM
anybody want to buy me seat just behind the away dugout :D

Could I get in with a bag of white powder, would love to see that (fake obviously) wafting down in front of the Stoke dugout !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 03, 2017, 10:25:56 AM
shall i try it, sherbert dab or something
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on February 03, 2017, 10:29:37 AM
shall i try it, sherbert dab or something

Would be hilarious if we did something like that!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 03, 2017, 10:31:14 AM
Would be hilarious if we did something like that!!


will give it ago then :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mikkyk on February 03, 2017, 10:46:41 AM
Unbelievable that he posted on social media saying he was fit when the reason Pulis was saying that in press conferences was to cover his back.

I knew he wasn't the brightest spark but didn't realise just how stupid he is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on February 03, 2017, 10:49:15 AM
maybe he was 8lbs heavier than he should be as he had a few packages on him - he wasnt unfit after all!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 03, 2017, 10:49:59 AM
just found an out of date bag of flour in the cupboard, will that do
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on February 03, 2017, 10:50:23 AM
I wonder if he will be on  HIGH tomorrow coming back to the shrine or will he DOPE it all goes away YOU`LL NEVER GET PAST CLAUDIO
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 03, 2017, 11:45:31 AM
I'm sure adamw will have a good reason to justify it  ;D

If there was one returning player who deserved the vitriol he will be receiving tomorrow it would be him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2017, 11:52:01 AM
Agreed. Many of us were criticising the club [me included] for not playing him etc

Its amazing how a simple fact clarifies the whole situation!

Perhaps once again, it would be better to withhold such opinions rather than speculate. ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on February 03, 2017, 11:52:34 AM
shall i try it, sherbert dab or something
Might be a tad insensitive if Livermore is on our bench.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on February 03, 2017, 12:05:19 PM
Any fancy chants ready for tomorrow?

Smokes weed when he wants, smokes weed when he wants ......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 03, 2017, 12:10:58 PM
Might be a tad insensitive if Livermore is on our bench.

A very good point.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 03, 2017, 12:13:28 PM
A very good point.

Agreed, cancel the bags of flour & sherbert fountains chaps.

i'd loff my backside of if the ref sprays a white line in front of the little fat git though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on February 03, 2017, 12:13:54 PM
Oatcake getting really wound up over this and Pulis...all makes for a lovely hostile Saturday afternoon while we take them to the cleaners... 2-0...Boing Boing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 03, 2017, 12:15:00 PM
Agreed, cancel the bags of flour & sherbert fountains chaps.

i'd loff my backside of if the ref sprays a white line in front of the little fat git though.


consider it cancelled
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on February 03, 2017, 12:15:56 PM
The guy is an absolute idiot to be doing recreational drugs as a pro athlete. I known substance abuse can be related to other issues someone can be suffering from, but just wow. What a tool.

You really only needed the first 6 words of your post !!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on February 03, 2017, 12:31:18 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38855561

Nice one tony
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on February 03, 2017, 01:01:01 PM
If only this tool could have been like a certain striker he would have been loved all around the Hawthorns MERRY HAPPY RETURNS SUPER BOB
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 03, 2017, 01:01:53 PM
If only this tool could have been like a certain striker he would have been loved all around the Hawthorns MERRY HAPPY RETURNS SUPER BOB

The little twonk is not fit (quite literally) to lace Super Bob's boots.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MBWBA on February 03, 2017, 01:03:50 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38855561

Nice one tony

sounds like he is happy to be rid of him and didn't like having to not mention the real reasons
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Groovephil on February 03, 2017, 01:07:57 PM
Why do you ge the feeling this is only the tip of the iceberg. Poor Stoke.  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 03, 2017, 01:10:17 PM
Why do you ge the feeling this is only the tip of the iceberg. Poor Stoke.  :P

It will be Pete odious like for a while (having a pop at us all the time) then he will screw up again and sjokers will turn on him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stoxman on February 03, 2017, 01:16:32 PM
Come on boys, sing along to the tune of Rastaman

"I could have been an Albion Legend, but I got high...
Could've scored 30 a season, but I got high...
Could've even outscored Bomber but I got high, but I got high, but I got high....

I could have been England's centre forward, but I got high...
Could've earned a massive contract, but I got high...
Could've even have gone to Barcelona but I got high, but I got high, but I got high...

Now even Spurs don't want me because I got high...
Only Stoke will even buy me and I know why, they must be high, they must be high, they must be high...



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on February 03, 2017, 01:19:49 PM
All TP has said from the off is that Sadio wasn't fit to play & since joining Stoke there now seems to be a issue concerning drugs, TP is saying the same still without pointing a finger to the reason causing him to unfit thats been left for us to read into as we see fit.  Very clever with words is or tony ;)

There go's any £££ from the sell on clause, >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: palmaroy on February 03, 2017, 01:20:33 PM
Who smoked all the weed
Who smoked all the weed
You fat bugger you fat bugger
Who smoked all the weed
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 03, 2017, 01:30:01 PM
Knowing all this now I am struggling to believe we got money for him, let alone £12m!

Fantastic work from WBA! At least Dick Turpin wore a mask!!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 03, 2017, 01:51:42 PM
Haha quoted on the oatcake regarding my post about them missing him.

They obviously do miss him, they cant stop talking about or blaming him for everything that seems to happen in the world.

You obviously love being kicked in the balls mate if you are reading this, but as Stoke are wrong'uns it doesnt suprise me.

You signed a fat kid who hasnt played properly for 18 months, who likes his drugs and driving drunk and paid upto 15m with all add ons inc. to buy him...guess who is laughing  :D Id be questioning the Stoke board on his signing not the fact TP says he dont give a damn about the lad anymore

P.S. The leak has come from elsewhere not the club...but dont let that cloud your judgement of us or Pulis Stokies
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 03, 2017, 02:03:58 PM
Haha quoted on the oatcake regarding my post about them missing him.

They obviously do miss him, they cant stop talking about or blaming him for everything that seems to happen in the world.

You obviously love being kicked in the balls mate if you are reading this, but as Stoke are wrong'uns it doesnt suprise me.

You signed a fat kid who hasnt played properly for 18 months, who likes his drugs and driving drunk and paid upto 15m with all add ons inc. to buy him...guess who is laughing  :D Id be questioning the Stoke board on his signing not the fact TP says he dont give a damn about the lad anymore

P.S. The leak has come from elsewhere not the club...but dont let that cloud your judgement of us or Pulis Stokies
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To be honest if I had had to defend that cretins sorry ar$e for the last 18 months that's the type of leak I would have let slip. Retribution is sweet  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on February 03, 2017, 02:19:41 PM
Tried his best to destroy his career.

I still think he will turn it around and he will be a decent player for Stoke though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on February 03, 2017, 02:25:22 PM
We hav`nt heard anything from that tool of an agent who tried to make out Beras**t is the best thing since sliced bread and couple of days after his defence of the player the truth comes out
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on February 03, 2017, 02:25:43 PM
Starting to hate stoke more than the dog eads
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 03, 2017, 02:27:32 PM
Starting to hate stoke more than the dog eads

you'll get over it, there are only 2 real enemies
SOTV -
FTW - slap a dingle
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 03, 2017, 02:43:05 PM
Starting to hate stoke more than the dog eads

Try not to buddy.

They are just desperate for some sort of rivalry and to be noticed by anyone outside of Staffordshire.

Don't give them what they want.

Quick google and the only thing they've ever won is the league cup...once. Barely bigger than Walsall
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 03, 2017, 02:52:08 PM
Starting to hate stoke more than the dog eads

I wouldn't worry about them, they are just a mere irritation like getting gum on the bottom of your shoe. They are a club with no great history and their only actual rivals are in the lower leagues so they strive to create rivalries with the likes of ourselves who really couldn't care less about them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 03, 2017, 03:21:04 PM
Yup irrelevant to us.

Its why we can sell them damaged goods at millions of pounds  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 03, 2017, 03:37:28 PM
Any one able to tell this old codger, in simple terms, what MDMA is?

Ta
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 03, 2017, 03:41:48 PM
Any one able to tell this old codger, in simple terms, what MDMA is?

Ta

Makes you feel like a champion according to Jay Z.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 03, 2017, 03:46:59 PM
Any one able to tell this old codger, in simple terms, what MDMA is?

Ta

Its a drug called ecstasy, big in the dance music scene. Basically puts the pleasure zones in your brain into over drive for 6 hours but then puts them into reverse for a few days after.

Ironically there is a government website called talk to Frank which is about drugs. :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on February 03, 2017, 03:57:20 PM
I think we all knew there was a reason he wasn't being played. And were all puzzled as to the stories coming out of the club regarding his fitness. Fair play to Pulis and the club for not throwing him under the bus with it. But could we face any issues from not disclosing something like that? Or don't we have to? Glad he's not our problem anymore
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on February 03, 2017, 04:01:58 PM
I think we all knew there was a reason he wasn't being played. And were all puzzled as to the stories coming out of the club regarding his fitness. Fair play to Pulis and the club for not throwing him under the bus with it. But could we face any issues from not disclosing something like that? Or don't we have to? Glad he's not our problem anymore

FA knew about it, pretty sure everything done the way it should have been from our side.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2017, 04:04:51 PM
I think we all knew there was a reason he wasn't being played. And were all puzzled as to the stories coming out of the club regarding his fitness. Fair play to Pulis and the club for not throwing him under the bus with it. But could we face any issues from not disclosing something like that? Or don't we have to? Glad he's not our problem anymore

According to various articles the FA don't announce the bans so the player can rehabilitate on the quiet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 03, 2017, 04:06:24 PM
fat junky clayhead your just a fat junky clayhead fat junky clayhead your just a fat junky clayhead
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 03, 2017, 04:07:13 PM
All in all the latest revelation 'stokes' up (!) Tomorrow's match even more!
Just hope he doesn't cry off so we can give a justifiable 'welcome home' !

Can't wait for the game but I have a feeling he'll be kept away by Hughes come the teamsheet announcement.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on February 03, 2017, 04:25:58 PM
fat junky clayhead your just a fat junky clayhead fat junky clayhead your just a fat junky clayhead
Brilliant Glyn love it, I've only got two words to say about him Horrible c!!t.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejules on February 03, 2017, 04:59:54 PM
Think that some people getting on his back for being into whizz are missing the point entirely.

Couldn't have cared less what he got up to in his spare time. But the fact that he got caught and then lied about why he wasn't playing in an attempt to make the club look bad, all the while the club are out there covering his back for him. That is what makes what he's done so unforgivable in my eyes.

He's absolutely despicable.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2017, 05:07:17 PM
Anyone remember the apology to the fans, what a complete selfish w@nker he is, the disgrace he has brought to our club, his mother, he will never amount to anything because its always all about him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on February 03, 2017, 05:12:25 PM
According to various articles the FA don't announce the bans so the player can rehabilitate on the quiet.

Cheers, thought that might be the case. I imagine Stoke would have known this before he signed?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: section5 on February 03, 2017, 05:40:38 PM
So glad we're rid of him, attitude beyond a joke really can't see how he has been offered a contract by anyone as a professional in his field after his years of immaturity even on loan to Brentford? Where he was sent back early. .... only football
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on February 03, 2017, 05:46:52 PM
Well done WBAFC for getting a fee for this tool! Will be interesting to see where he takes his career now and if history repeats itself?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on February 03, 2017, 05:49:57 PM
So question.  Given he was unable to play for eight weeks because he had a drug based suspension, would he still have been paid by us?  If so that really pi**** me off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2017, 06:01:42 PM
So question.  Given he was unable to play for eight weeks because he had a drug based suspension, would he still have been paid by us?  If so that really pi**** me off.

Not much I would have thought, but, who knows.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bradleysrocket on February 03, 2017, 06:11:00 PM
So question.  Given he was unable to play for eight weeks because he had a drug based suspension, would he still have been paid by us?  If so that really pi**** me off.
I was under the impression that in terms of the club the most we can find any player is two weeks wages.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on February 03, 2017, 06:28:28 PM
Any one able to tell this old codger, in simple terms, what MDMA is?

Ta

It's a drug that makes you completely incapable of heading a football. How did we miss the signs?  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies_24 on February 03, 2017, 06:30:46 PM
Mark Hughes has to be one of the biggest clowns in football, to think he paid £10 million rising to £15 million for a player who hasn't done anything on a football pitch in 12 months, was in the last 6 months of his contract and has been serving an 8 week drug ban is utterly laughable. At his peak for us he was at most worth £15 million & to think the Stokies are willing to pay that knowing the full details is quite honestly mesmorising.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jimmy on February 03, 2017, 06:37:40 PM
It's a drug that makes you completely incapable of heading a football. How did we miss the signs?  :P

He was so busy throwing shapes he ended up becoming one. Namely a great big f*cking donut!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on February 03, 2017, 06:39:20 PM
Its took 18 month`s but at long last most of our fan`s now see Beras**t for what he is. Its been a great transfer window just to see him gone Enjoy the ride Clayheads I will be most surprised if he don`t cause you more problem`s along the way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on February 03, 2017, 07:01:27 PM
I can't really say on here how i feel about this waste of space just glad he's no longer our problem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Beefy on February 03, 2017, 07:12:00 PM
I was going to sign for Spurs
Then I got high
I didn't want go to stoke
But then I got high
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 03, 2017, 07:40:08 PM
Should have let Morrison give him another couple of slaps.  :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on February 03, 2017, 07:52:58 PM
Should have let Morrison give him another couple of slaps.  :-\
Nah have some sympathy for the little toerag he's ugly enough as it is
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 03, 2017, 08:47:55 PM
Nah have some sympathy for the little toerag he's ugly enough as it is

Nevertheless, I bet he's always got a decent bit of clunge on the go!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on February 04, 2017, 04:02:04 AM
I know now why TP used to refer to Berahino as a 'smashing lad'. It was because he was smashed on drugs ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 04, 2017, 06:12:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k

Young man you need to have a good time
you can do whatever you feel
MDMA you got'a take your MDMA

Suitable hand gestures required  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: section5 on February 04, 2017, 07:46:39 AM
I was going to sign for Spurs
Then I got high
I didn't want go to stoke
But then I got high

Love that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on February 04, 2017, 07:56:00 AM
What a grade a twonk. Knew the club had protected him and still slates them for not playing him. He's even done interviews this week where he has said he doesn't know why he wasn't playing! Disgusting
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on February 04, 2017, 08:55:49 AM
Hey guys,did we pay him during this 8 week  drug ban?
If so,why?
He brought this on himself,what a waster!
As tp says,not our problem now,who cares.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stoxman on February 04, 2017, 10:16:37 AM
In any normal job you'd be sacked with no wages or severance pay for gross misconduct.  Sadly, in your job you probably don't have a £12m transfer value.  Commercially we had to keep employing him and paying him (possibly with a fine that is limited through negotiations with their association) and then cash-in now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: NathWBA on February 04, 2017, 11:18:45 AM
The drugs don't bother me in a way, at the end of the day we have spent 10mil on Livermore who also had a drugs issue when he was at Hull, so it would be totally hypocritical to slate Saido for that. The issue for me is that club protected him, didn't release details of it yet he continued to try and make the club look stupid with his tweets and posts about his fitness knowing they wouldn't reveal the actual reason.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 04, 2017, 12:20:50 PM
If he was an honest person, he would have tweeted the real reason, why he wasn't playing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 04, 2017, 01:28:44 PM
Just saw him get off the coach smiling so he's here!
Mixture of cheers from Sjokies and boos/ two fingers from Albion!
Tasty day ahead!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on February 04, 2017, 01:44:08 PM
http://readwestbrom.com/2017/02/04/berahino-adamant-he-will-not-celebrate-against-the-baggies/
over high opinion of his own character...........i have dignity?oh yeah,bet you cant even spell the bl00dy word never mind act with some >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bigrob80 on February 04, 2017, 05:12:46 PM
He just knew how good our defence is!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pie on February 04, 2017, 05:13:49 PM
Think he only touched the ball 2 or three times - loved it when gmac skinned him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on February 04, 2017, 05:14:56 PM
12 million ..possibly 15 million after add ons...what a fabulous piece of business..the ref made more runs and had more touches than him..lol
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 04, 2017, 05:16:05 PM
Who?
Who joined Who?
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on February 04, 2017, 05:20:28 PM
Bought to score and bound to fail,what a Stoke!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Groovephil on February 04, 2017, 05:36:02 PM
He looked completely lost, not even close to a prem player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 04, 2017, 05:37:08 PM
Rabbit in headlights, fat twonk
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on February 04, 2017, 05:39:43 PM
Think I counted 4 touches he made. Made even more obvious by our booing. Think it was the wrong move from Hughes personally. Crouch was causing a bit of a problem and it seemed to give our players a boost in an important time of the match
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Groovephil on February 04, 2017, 05:42:25 PM
Think I counted 4 touches he made. Made even more obvious by our booing. Think it was the wrong move from Hughes personally. Crouch was causing a bit of a problem and it seemed to give our players a boost in an important time of the match

Agree, brought him on far too early as it's obvious he's months away from fitness.

I think it may all go sour quite quickly if he keeps playing him with no end result.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on February 04, 2017, 06:11:56 PM
Agree, brought him on far too early as it's obvious he's months away from fitness.

I think it may all go sour quite quickly if he keeps playing him with no end result.
who cares? As Pulis said he is no longer our problem, can we just please please forget him now?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on February 04, 2017, 07:57:03 PM
So pleased we welcomed him so loudly.
So pleased he's no someone else's problem.
Made zero difference when he came on and it looked like men against a boy as MaCauley and Dawson never  broke sweat against him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on February 04, 2017, 08:06:46 PM
who cares? As Pulis said he is no longer our problem, can we just please please forget him now?

I agree, but as he's playing us today I think it makes him thread-worthy, otherwise like all of our ex-players I sometimes keep an eye out for them in the back of my mind.

On to today. It was only 20 minutes but it was a carbon copy of one of his performances for us, this time last year. Not involved, looked unfit and was a waste of a player. It will be interesting to see how he goes from here, but like you say - he is no longer our problem  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on February 04, 2017, 08:30:29 PM
Well he showed us all what weve been missing for the last 18 months or so. NOWT.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Downunder Stripes on February 04, 2017, 08:32:07 PM
Welcome back Saido !
http://streamable.com/cxgo3
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on February 04, 2017, 08:41:08 PM
On today`s performance we ain`t going to get the other 3 mill He is fat overweight and a yard to slow Looks like the best bit of business anyone did in the transfer window well done TP AND WILLIAMS
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on February 04, 2017, 09:20:10 PM
Part of me for his sake wants him to get his career back on track but he had no impact today whatsoever. No quick bursts or making runs into the channels ... Mark Hughes could well get worried about this signing pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on February 04, 2017, 09:31:21 PM
Berahino = ****
Stoke = bunch of *****
Nothing more to be said
 ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Avonbaggie on February 04, 2017, 09:40:21 PM
As per other poster, Saido had a total of 4 touches after he came on. 3 were in the same move and the fourth was when he lost the ball and we went up the pitch. Total waster. Won't be missed  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on February 04, 2017, 09:53:07 PM
Didnt take the Stoke fans long to start getting suspicious that they have been sold a dud. The euphoria lasted all of two weeks
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggy nerd on February 04, 2017, 10:38:28 PM
Some deluded Stoke fans saying he will come good when fit, not realising that what they have seen, well that is it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 04, 2017, 10:44:17 PM
He was never rapid, but he was sharp, the body recomp he's seemingly done intentionally seems to have robbed him of that yard of pace and for me he'll now never recapture the early promise.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on February 04, 2017, 10:58:01 PM
He was never rapid, but he was sharp, the body recomp he's seemingly done intentionally seems to have robbed him of that yard of pace and for me he'll now never recapture the early promise.

I think you may be right.I don't believe he's overweight, but I do believe that he has bulked up through training and this has damaged his game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kirk on February 05, 2017, 08:27:01 AM
Interesting the sun jorno on the radio this morning confirmed the mail had the story 4 weeks ago and asked pullis direct if it was true, pullis denied it. I think Hughes owes him an apology
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wimbledon baggie on February 05, 2017, 12:45:03 PM
He was never rapid, but he was sharp, the body recomp he's seemingly done intentionally seems to have robbed him of that yard of pace and for me he'll now never recapture the early promise.

There is photo in the Mail of SB next to Gmac. Berahino has massive bulk on his torso and Gmac, 14 years older is as slim as you like. SB looks like one of those overweight non league players you see in the FA Cup!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stoxman on February 05, 2017, 08:21:31 PM
Wow!

He really does seem to be developing very well. Hopefully we have a star on our hands


A moment of poignant reminisence of what might have been...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Smooth Lad on February 05, 2017, 08:26:11 PM
There is photo in the Mail of SB next to Gmac. Berahino has massive bulk on his torso and Gmac, 14 years older is as slim as you like. SB looks like one of those overweight non league players you see in the FA Cup!

And this one...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C313nBGWMAItiSn.jpg:large
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fatboy_coach on February 05, 2017, 10:01:27 PM
And this one...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C313nBGWMAItiSn.jpg:large

Bloody hell, did they have to get XL shorts from the shop like Razor Ruddock at the end of his career?! :P ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on February 05, 2017, 10:06:33 PM
at least we know what he sniffs..............sweaty armpits.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggy nerd on February 05, 2017, 11:23:17 PM
There is photo in the Mail of SB next to Gmac. Berahino has massive bulk on his torso and Gmac, 14 years older is as slim as you like. SB looks like one of those overweight non league players you see in the FA Cup!
Berahino and Gmac similar in so many ways...I just can't think of them at the moment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 07, 2017, 11:47:25 AM
Ever bought a secondhand car only to get it home & you find out it's fugged?  :'(

For Sale:

Manufacturer:Berahino
Model:          S (MK1)
Year:            1993
Made:           Burundi
Developed:   West Bromwich (UK)
Mileage:       Very high (some might say very, very high)
MOT:            No (failed last test)
Fuel:            Hybrid (Gas & Coke)
Guarantee:   None! due to high maintenance costs

The curves on this model will get heads turning & people definitely talking, 1 extremely careful owner from new, initial usage was excellent but has let a lot of people down recently.
Price reduced down to £12 million from £20 million only a few months ago, this was due to niggling issues such as re-shaping around the middle & excessive attitude problems.
Can be viewed waddling around a Premier league ground near you but be quick as this model wont be there for long.

EDIT: *SOLD* to a Mr Hughes in Stoke on Trent
Please note this was 'sold as seen' there are definitely, definitely NO returns (even if you did find a little leak after purchase)   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 07, 2017, 11:50:02 AM
Ever bought a secondhand car only to get it home & you find out it's fugged?  :'(

For Sale:

Manufacturer:Berahino
Model:          S (MK1)
Year:            1993
Made:           Burundi
Developed:   West Bromwich (UK)
Mileage:       Very high (some might say very, very high)
MOT:            No (failed last test)
Fuel:            Hybrid (Gas & Coke)
Guarantee:   None! due to high maintenance costs

The curves on this model will get heads turning & people definitely talking, 1 extremely careful owner from new, initial usage was excellent but has let a lot of people down recently.
Price reduced down to £12 million from £20 million only a few months ago, this was due to niggling issues such as re-shaping around the middle & excessive attitude problems.
Can be viewed waddling around a Premier league ground near you but be quick as this model wont be there for long.

EDIT: *SOLD* to a Mr Hughes in Stoke on Trent
Please note this was 'sold as seen' there are definitely, definitely NO returns (even if you did find a little leak after purchase)

Very good luv. That needs to go on Oatcake!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 07, 2017, 12:10:53 PM
Ever bought a secondhand car only to get it home & you find out it's fugged?  :'(

For Sale:

Manufacturer:Berahino
Model:          S (MK1)
Year:            1993
Made:           Burundi
Developed:   West Bromwich (UK)
Mileage:       Very high (some might say very, very high)
MOT:            No (failed last test)
Fuel:            Hybrid (Gas & Coke)
Guarantee:   None! due to high maintenance costs

The curves on this model will get heads turning & people definitely talking, 1 extremely careful owner from new, initial usage was excellent but has let a lot of people down recently.
Price reduced down to £12 million from £20 million only a few months ago, this was due to niggling issues such as re-shaping around the middle & excessive attitude problems.
Can be viewed waddling around a Premier league ground near you but be quick as this model wont be there for long.

EDIT: *SOLD* to a Mr Hughes in Stoke on Trent
Please note this was 'sold as seen' there are definitely, definitely NO returns (even if you did find a little leak after purchase)

That is brilliant

Give that man a hand  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 07, 2017, 01:00:18 PM
That is brilliant

Give that man a hand  8)

He'll need a hand to get Saido off the parking lot  :o .

Sounds like a right heap  :P .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 07, 2017, 01:18:30 PM
Just gets better.

Collymore now in the papers saying he 'should have mentored Berahino'  ;D

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-i-should-have-mentored-troubled-berahino-says-stan-collymore/story-30117626-detail/story.html

When the fat kid wasn't out of his face Stan could have took him round some of his old haunts.
Mainly woodland car parks.
What a role model to any young player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on February 07, 2017, 01:44:34 PM
Beras**t sounds like the old  knacker I bought great post     dont  ask
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 07, 2017, 02:37:35 PM
I wonder if he's walking round like Billy Big Balls yet and peeing off the senior pros.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 07, 2017, 02:39:35 PM
I wonder if he's walking round like Billy Big Balls yet and peeing off the senior pros.

give it a couple of years and he'll be peeing ON senior pros!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on February 07, 2017, 05:00:29 PM
Just gets better.

Collymore now in the papers saying he 'should have mentored Berahino'  ;D

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-i-should-have-mentored-troubled-berahino-says-stan-collymore/story-30117626-detail/story.html

When the fat kid wasn't out of his face Stan could have took him round some of his old haunts.
Mainly woodland car parks.
What a role model to any young player.
You couldn't make it up could you? Imagine collymore mentoring him,the pair of them on Cannock chase dogging together and learning him how to wack a woman
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 07, 2017, 06:31:37 PM
I would never suggest it in a million years to be Collie more but he may have a point about mentoring our academy players. The Berahino problems may never have occurred with sensible support and management from a senior pro.

Young lads with little brains and lots of money. How could it possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on February 07, 2017, 06:34:41 PM
The problem is how do you keep potential stars grounded players now no longer serve any type of apprenticeship when they break into the first team and are often earning tens of thousands a week before they have proved anything long term.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on February 07, 2017, 07:57:53 PM
The problem is how do you keep potential stars grounded players now no longer serve any type of apprenticeship when they break into the first team and are often earning tens of thousands a week before they have proved anything long term.

Exactly that. Pulis mentioned this in a recent interview. Said kids are earning thousands a week and thinking they've made it already instead of understanding how to win things
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 07, 2017, 08:07:43 PM
Exactly that. Pulis mentioned this in a recent interview. Said kids are earning thousands a week and thinking they've made it already instead of understanding how to win things
I don't buy that generalisation, Spuds and soton (for 2) seem to be able to develop successful kids who earn mega bucks
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on February 07, 2017, 08:14:13 PM
Put their wages into an account that they cant get at the money until they are say 25.

Give them a weekly allowance and buy them an apartment and a car and educate them, send them to a language school.

Training twice a day and feed them properly.

They must visit a local school and hospital once a week.

Visit local companies get involved locally.

Or who cares really?

Perhaps make them available to meet fans every month.
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on February 07, 2017, 08:23:45 PM
Just gets better.

Collymore now in the papers saying he 'should have mentored Berahino'  ;D

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-i-should-have-mentored-troubled-berahino-says-stan-collymore/story-30117626-detail/story.html

When the fat kid wasn't out of his face Stan could have took him round some of his old haunts.
Mainly woodland car parks.
What a role model to any young player.
Nice one Colliedog. Thought about popping in on your way around the Shoal Hill estate, but couldn't be arsed. He was probably psyching himself up to playing the big 'I am' in Bar Sports in Cannock. backside!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on February 07, 2017, 08:26:33 PM
When trying to work out how, why or what went wrong with SB, you also need to factor in the unusual circumstances the influence of his Mother brings.

From what I have been told and can also see in reports when she is mentioned, she has (and probably quite rightly considering her unfortunate history) a huge distrust of authority.

As is well reported, his close relationship with her (as they should be) has, I feel, also give him an instinctive reaction of the line..  "don't tell me what to do".

It becomes very difficult for the Club's Management to control or even Mentor someone with an ingrained and deep seated distrust of this type and it has influenced the type of people who he has surrounded him with, to his detriment.. 

Hopefully the Club's development program has learned a lesson from it all..  and also let not ssume all our Juniors are going to act the same way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on February 07, 2017, 10:09:38 PM
I don't buy that generalisation, Spuds and soton (for 2) seem to be able to develop successful kids who earn mega bucks

Just repeating what Pulis has mentioned. It's clearly an issue in our set up if he felt the need to say it publicly..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 07, 2017, 10:17:23 PM
This whole episode has heaped enormous pressure on Berahino, he knows people will be looking at him to fail or muck up again.

If he starts on Saturday, he will need to perform, if he is on the bench, when he comes on, expectation will weigh heavy, if he does not feature, speculation will begin that he is not up to first team football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on February 07, 2017, 10:22:38 PM
This whole episode has heaped enormous pressure on Berahino, he knows people will be looking at him to fail or muck up again.

If he starts on Saturday, he will need to perform, if he is on the bench, when he comes on, expectation will weigh heavy, if he does not feature, speculation will begin that he is not up to first team football.

He has to return to the form that got him to the fringes of a full England call up within 12 months or he could disappear dramatically down the tables. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on February 07, 2017, 10:53:56 PM
Stoke already seem to be managing him very badly.  There is no way that Mark Huges, Berahino himself and Berahion's agent should have been going to the press blaming West Brom for him not playing, given what they knew. They should have been giving the message that what happened in the past, stays in the past.  The fact that the media already knew they were lying and were waiting with a story that would contradict them has left them all with egg on their face.  Its now wonder they are desperate to offload the blame onto Pulis.  Even if the confirmation came from West Brom, Stoke deserve little sympathy after deliberately feeding the media lies at our expense.

Berahino already struggles to take responsibility for his actions, this was at the heart of his dressing room spat. Hughes, and now senior pros at the club, portraying him as some passive victim is just heading for trouble and letting him anywhere near journalists is never going to end happily.  Unless he starts performing this is going to blow up in their faces.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 08, 2017, 07:56:38 AM
Stoke are only doing exactly what we have done and will do again, manipulate the media to protect their asset and image. Some Stoke fans will blindly believe all that comes from their club in the same way that some Albion fans do. The truth is out there but so is a lot of fake news. Pinch of salt. ;)

On Berahino, who cares? Not our problem now, just hope lessons are learnt.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on February 08, 2017, 08:40:58 AM
This whole episode has heaped enormous pressure on Berahino, he knows people will be looking at him to fail or muck up again.

If he starts on Saturday, he will need to perform, if he is on the bench, when he comes on, expectation will weigh heavy, if he does not feature, speculation will begin that he is not up to first team football.

Spot on.

Whoever decided to leak the information to the ban to the press, the tactic worked 100%. IMO Saido was shocked at the level of venom coming his way. I'm not sure he will get that in future games (except at the Albion).

One thing that's puzzling me about the episode? Mark Hughes claimed that WBA had known about the ban for "6 or 7" months. If that were the case, then wouldn't the ban have been around July/August last year? & if that were the case, wouldn't TP have been telling the truth, that Saido wasn't picked because he wasn't fit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 08, 2017, 08:55:24 AM
Spot on.

Whoever decided to leak the information to the ban to the press, the tactic worked 100%. IMO Saido was shocked at the level of venom coming his way. I'm not sure he will get that in future games (except at the Albion).

One thing that's puzzling me about the episode? Mark Hughes claimed that WBA had known about the ban for "6 or 7" months. If that were the case, then wouldn't the ban have been around July/August last year? & if that were the case, wouldn't TP have been telling the truth, that Saido wasn't picked because he wasn't fit.

Mark Hughes is just trying to blame the Albion for Saturdays defeat, he chose to sign Berahino, he chose to play Berahino, the buck stops with him, everything else is just hot air.

Berahino has been playing at being a professional football for two years, no longer can he get away with it!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on February 08, 2017, 10:05:27 AM
Mark Hughes is just trying to blame the Albion for Saturdays defeat, he chose to sign Berahino, he chose to play Berahino, the buck stops with him, everything else is just hot air.

Berahino has been playing at being a professional football for two years, no longer can he get away with it!
Exactly ! Listen to any Hughes presser after a defeat by any team outside of the top 6 and it is NEVER his or his teams fault. He will blame anything e.g refs , bad luck , long grass, short grass etc etc
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 08, 2017, 10:07:58 AM
I don't think it really matters who leaked it to the press. Mark Hughes is being naive if he thinks it was never going to get leaked and he has handled it terribly once it did leak.

Ultimately it's not our problem so he can huff and puff as much as he likes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba13 on February 08, 2017, 11:04:49 AM
Who cares what any clayheads think we got rid of the problem and Stoke willingly took him of our hands. If they can`t handle the fallout tough we had the dickhead sulking for 18 months so they can have the problem for the next 5 years IF HE LASTS THAT LONG AND I DOUBT THAT.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wimbledon baggie on February 08, 2017, 11:50:04 AM
Ever bought a secondhand car only to get it home & you find out it's fugged?  :'(

For Sale:

Manufacturer:Berahino
Model:          S (MK1)
Year:            1993
Made:           Burundi
Developed:   West Bromwich (UK)
Mileage:       Very high (some might say very, very high)
MOT:            No (failed last test)
Fuel:            Hybrid (Gas & Coke)
Guarantee:   None! due to high maintenance costs

The curves on this model will get heads turning & people definitely talking, 1 extremely careful owner from new, initial usage was excellent but has let a lot of people down recently.
Price reduced down to £12 million from £20 million only a few months ago, this was due to niggling issues such as re-shaping around the middle & excessive attitude problems.
Can be viewed waddling around a Premier league ground near you but be quick as this model wont be there for long.

EDIT: *SOLD* to a Mr Hughes in Stoke on Trent
Please note this was 'sold as seen' there are definitely, definitely NO returns (even if you did find a little leak after purchase)

Very well done Sir!  Round of applause.

Whoever is registered on Oatcake can they please post this and watch the reaction?!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBrom on February 08, 2017, 01:25:25 PM
This whole episode has heaped enormous pressure on Berahino, he knows people will be looking at him to fail or muck up again.

If he starts on Saturday, he will need to perform, if he is on the bench, when he comes on, expectation will weigh heavy, if he does not feature, speculation will begin that he is not up to first team football.

As will he
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 11, 2017, 07:48:06 PM
Didn't even get off the bench today  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on February 11, 2017, 07:49:55 PM
Didn't even get off the bench today  ;D

Fitness getting worse then  ;).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 11, 2017, 07:51:45 PM
He keeps looking at the side lines and wonders if he can "snort" them.  :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on February 11, 2017, 08:24:15 PM
Like this you mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOBja7ZjGws
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 14, 2017, 10:41:19 AM
The Oatcake is pretty damning reading regarding Berahino  :o

We did tell them though, not the same player that first burst onto the scene

I said it when he went, he will drop down the leagues
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 14, 2017, 09:05:58 PM
Sky today saying that Stoke are looking at 2 new strikers, his days could be numbered already
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on August 14, 2017, 09:48:59 PM
Sky today saying that Stoke are looking at 2 new strikers, his days could be numbered already
he won't care he's signed a 3 or 4 year deal on big wages they can sign 10 strikers he gets his wages and has to do nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on August 14, 2017, 10:01:33 PM
he won't care he's signed a 3 or 4 year deal on big wages they can sign 10 strikers he gets his wages and has to do nothing.

Joselu linked with Newcastle today so not surprised
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on August 14, 2017, 10:18:33 PM
I think he's genuinely been trying at Stoke and tried at times with us after the fallout. It doesn't matter though, something has gone horribly wrong with his brain and body at this point and the spark he once had has gone, good job we cashed out when we did.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on August 15, 2017, 12:25:49 AM
Why as this topic been resurrected? Does anyone still really care!?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on August 15, 2017, 12:28:35 AM
He no longer play's for us shouldn't this be in the ex players thread?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 15, 2017, 06:14:27 AM
He no longer play's for us shouldn't this be in the ex players thread?
Yes, Come on mods, consign the numpty to the bin!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 15, 2017, 08:45:19 AM
there is a stoke thread somewhere, chuck it in there
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on August 15, 2017, 09:18:30 AM
I was wondering if that should be done, but given it was resurrected by a mod and  is over 400 pages long I'm loathe to do that.

I'll move it and we can have a separate thread just for Saido in the general football forum.

Also the ex players thread is supposed to be for keeping up to date on where ex players are playing or what they're up to. Not for when someone has scored or been sent off etc
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 15, 2017, 09:26:41 AM
I was wondering if that should be done, but given it was resurrected by a mod and  is over 400 pages long I'm loathe to do that.

I'll move it and we can have a separate thread just for Saido in the general football forum.

Also the ex players thread is supposed to be for keeping up to date on where ex players are playing or what they're up to. Not for when someone has scored or been sent off etc

This thread will remain quite quiet then  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 15, 2017, 09:32:43 AM
I was wondering if that should be done, but given it was resurrected by a mod and  is over 400 pages long I'm loathe to do that.

I'll move it and we can have a separate thread just for Saido in the general football forum.

Also the ex players thread is supposed to be for keeping up to date on where ex players are playing or what they're up to. Not for when someone has scored or been sent off etc

Sorry bud I did think to move it to the general football forum but got caught up in a phone conversation at work! He will always cause debate so worth keeping the thread I think
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ben_westbrom on August 15, 2017, 10:34:55 AM
No matter how awful he's been, I'm still worried he'll score against us in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 15, 2017, 10:44:07 AM
Why as this topic been resurrected? Does anyone still really care!?

Some people still see the debate in him....hence why I resurrected the topic.

If you dont care then dont click on it and reply
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on August 15, 2017, 11:06:39 AM
Some people still see the debate in him....hence why I resurrected the topic.

If you dont care then dont click on it and reply
Correct. I never understand people who want to stifle debate, just because they themselves are not interested in the topic/can't see past their own opinion. The Saido saga is one that will stay interesting to me for quite a long time yet
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 16, 2017, 04:56:25 PM
Another game gone without a goal. In fact he didn't even get on the pitch.  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on December 27, 2017, 07:29:03 AM
According to the Oatcake, Saido has had a fallout with Bowen (Assistant Manager) which allegedly saw Berahino with hands round his throat. Saido has since complained direct to the board.

Another club, another problem. It’s like those who marry 3 or 4 times and always claim to be the victim. Sometimes you need to look at yourself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 27, 2017, 08:45:56 AM
According to the Oatcake, Saido has had a fallout with Bowen (Assistant Manager) which allegedly saw Berahino with hands round his throat. Saido has since complained direct to the board.

Another club, another problem. It’s like those who marry 3 or 4 times and always claim to be the victim. Sometimes you need to look at yourself.
To think that this guy was once ahead of Harry Kane in the England pecking order
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 20, 2018, 12:46:24 AM
Naughty boy.

PREM FLOP SCORES WITH HOOKER Saido Berahino romped with £5,000 escort on his fiancée’s bed

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/5383786/saido-berahino-bedded-escort-weeks-getting-engaged/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/5383786/saido-berahino-bedded-escort-weeks-getting-engaged/)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on January 20, 2018, 02:07:44 AM
Naughty boy.

PREM FLOP SCORES WITH HOOKER Saido Berahino romped with £5,000 escort on his fiancée’s bed

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/5383786/saido-berahino-bedded-escort-weeks-getting-engaged/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/5383786/saido-berahino-bedded-escort-weeks-getting-engaged/)

It doesn't even look like him in the picture. I hate these public expose's that the media do, so crass.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on January 20, 2018, 06:53:17 AM
He really is the gift that keeps on giving isn't he.... ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on January 20, 2018, 08:47:32 AM
Saido’s up to his tricks again if this is to be believed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/5383786/saido-berahino-bedded-escort-weeks-getting-engaged/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2018, 10:57:24 AM
back of the net, get in
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on January 20, 2018, 11:07:05 AM
Cant stand the arrogant twonk but reading the article it's a classic set up. She's been photographed waiting at the station to be picked up and then a photo of her getting on the train. But having said that if it is true i wonder what his Fiancée thinks of that!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 20, 2018, 11:18:23 AM
It's the first time he's 'scored' this season  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on January 20, 2018, 11:53:58 AM
His missus is beautiful

What a silly twonk
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 20, 2018, 12:47:41 PM
His missus is beautiful

What a silly twonk

Any misuss he would get would be beautiful. He’s a a Premier League footballer. They wouldn’t look twice if he was still living in Burnudi on the poverty line
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2018, 12:49:46 PM
Any misuss he would get would be beautiful. He’s a a Premier League footballer. They wouldn’t look twice if he was still living in Burnudi on the poverty line


are they after his money :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 20, 2018, 01:51:50 PM
Heavy drinking! Mmm, I thought he claimed he didn't drink when he lost his licence and that his drink had been spiked, so much for his religious beliefs. :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on January 20, 2018, 02:05:22 PM
Doesn't make Lamberts first squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on January 20, 2018, 02:59:33 PM
Ive said it along form the minute the problems started arising, he will drop down the leagues

Classic setup yes but guess what the idiot fell for it  :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 22, 2018, 09:36:28 AM

are they after his money :)

If they are they need to make hey now while the sun is shining as that money won't be there for long. Move to the Championship beckons next, before a complete tumble down the leagues which will be such a shame...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 22, 2018, 09:52:10 AM
she must be after his money, you wouldnt call him a looker would you
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 22, 2018, 01:08:26 PM
is his mum going to defend on him on this one as well ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 22, 2018, 03:42:05 PM
I'd be amazed if his ego allowed him to go further down than the Championship. Not entirely sure he'd settle on that either. Although I really wanted him to succeed with us it became clear he felt deserving of a higher platform. While still only twenty four it wouldn't surprise me if he just walked away from the game when his deal's up or if/when he gets paid off by Stoke.

Money and status are clearly his primary motivations rather than what others wish they could be if only they were good enough. And Saido IS good enough when he bothers, but he clearly loves himself far more than the game and appears unwilling to go the extra yard for others. Without putting too fine a point on it he's come from a post war gutter so everything else is gravy from there on in. He simply lacks the desire and motivation of those around him, be that players or supporters, because he feels he's already 'made it'.

And I doubt he'll genuinely care about a damned thing in life while the money comes in, because in his minds eye wherever he ends up will be better than where he's come from. The telling factor will be how much spends he has left by the end. Everyone and their dog knows he's taken the P for ages now and only the stupid or the extremely desperate would place faith in him. He comes across as unreliable, egotistical and extremely arrogant. Not a good mix when or if you need help and a way back into the game.

People have memories, people talk and most importantly people know what he's like. A self loving, self obsessed, immature prat of a boy in a mans body who may never grow up. What a waste of talent and what a crying shame.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: barnestormer on February 24, 2018, 12:38:38 PM
lots of free time lately to pursue the ladees,seems not even Lamberk rates him not in their matchday squad :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 24, 2018, 01:02:43 PM
Not scored a goal for 2 years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 24, 2018, 01:06:40 PM
Not scored a goal for 2 years.

Good. I hope he continues to plummet both on and off field.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 25, 2018, 09:09:06 AM
Good. I hope he continues to plummet both on and off field.
I think he has already earned £5M off Stoke. As "a boy from Burundi" I doubt he is too bothered. More fool Stoke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 25, 2018, 09:19:35 AM
Dont mean to be controversial but maybe that West Ham coach who was sacked for emailing that 'African players have bad attitudes and cause mayhem' was bang on the money.....

I do see it myself with a lot of African players, a lot of them who are leaving the chance of a decent career in Europe and going to China for the money.....no love for the sport so have no care for it and have bad attitudes and just chase the money...like Berahino

There have been some class African players down the years but recently ive noticed how many of them are causing issues at clubs and chasing the money rather than the career
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 25, 2018, 09:32:50 AM
Dont mean to be controversial but maybe that West Ham coach who was sacked for emailing that 'African players have bad attitudes and cause mayhem' was bang on the money.....

I do see it myself with a lot of African players, a lot of them who are leaving the chance of a decent career in Europe and going to China for the money.....no love for the sport so have no care for it and have bad attitudes and just chase the money...like Berahino

There have been some class African players down the years but recently ive noticed how many of them are causing issues at clubs and chasing the money rather than the career
I'm not sure you should class Berahino as your typical African player though. A political refugee at the age of 10 having been left in his native country by his mum and having his dad killed in a civil war? If he ever gets his game back on they will probably make a film about him!
(And I dislike his attitude and behaviour but have some sympathy as can not comprehend the life he has had)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 25, 2018, 10:04:10 AM
I'm not sure you should class Berahino as your typical African player though. A political refugee at the age of 10 having been left in his native country by his mum and having his dad killed in a civil war? If he ever gets his game back on they will probably make a film about him!
(And I dislike his attitude and behaviour but have some sympathy as can not comprehend the life he has had)

Agreed..yet his attitude and money chasing ties in perfectly with those that I have witnessed in the game recently.

I dont have much sympathy for him if im honest.....yes he came from a bad situation, has been given a huge opportunity money thrown at him and all he does is let clubs down, starting with us (after all the help weve given him) and now Stoke.

Im sorry I dont have sympathy for someone that comes from that situation is given a huge opportunity and then does the things he has done time and time again
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on February 25, 2018, 01:32:17 PM
I know a Few Friends who have stories like Berahino seen him score at the Custard Bowl for England U 21''s in front of the Tatters End (Steve Bull) I was in the North Bank only know cause I asked a Dingle Friend I was at the Top tier When Kane scored I was on the stairs and tripped as I celebrated. Kane got hugged or high five by a Fan.  That's the only goal and the Goal he scored for us against united I care to Remember what a Snake and slowly the only twork memoirs of him scoring will vanish
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 26, 2018, 08:58:26 PM
Dont mean to be controversial but maybe that West Ham coach who was sacked for emailing that 'African players have bad attitudes and cause mayhem' was bang on the money.....

I do see it myself with a lot of African players, a lot of them who are leaving the chance of a decent career in Europe and going to China for the money.....no love for the sport so have no care for it and have bad attitudes and just chase the money...like Berahino

There have been some class African players down the years but recently ive noticed how many of them are causing issues at clubs and chasing the money rather than the career
Can it be controversial if it's true?
The guy at West Ham got the sack, the same week that African player Mahrez refused to play for his club...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on March 04, 2018, 08:58:27 AM
Nice little read.

http://www.givemesport.com/1268084-harry-redknapp-completely-ruined-saido-berahino-live-on-bt-sport (http://www.givemesport.com/1268084-harry-redknapp-completely-ruined-saido-berahino-live-on-bt-sport)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on March 04, 2018, 09:05:24 AM
Got absolutely no sympathy for him. Deserves everything he gets.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smosher34 on March 04, 2018, 09:54:26 AM
Yet gets paid 60 grand a week to be fat 😀
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on March 04, 2018, 02:43:28 PM
Just think a couple of seasons ago he was ahead of Harry Kane.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on March 04, 2018, 02:49:38 PM
Dont mean to be controversial but maybe that West Ham coach who was sacked for emailing that 'African players have bad attitudes and cause mayhem' was bang on the money.....

I do see it myself with a lot of African players, a lot of them who are leaving the chance of a decent career in Europe and going to China for the money.....no love for the sport so have no care for it and have bad attitudes and just chase the money...like Berahino

There have been some class African players down the years but recently ive noticed how many of them are causing issues at clubs and chasing the money rather than the career

But how many African players don't do that? 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 04, 2018, 10:59:23 PM
But how many African players don't do that?
You mean like toure or Odemwingie or sakho or adebayor or Berahino ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on March 13, 2018, 09:37:04 AM
2 years without  goal

How much hasn't he picked no up in that's time ? Got to be over a million surely
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on March 13, 2018, 09:39:01 AM
2 years without  goal

How much hasn't he picked no up in that's time ? Got to be over a million surely

I would say it would be over £4m.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Scooby Doo on March 13, 2018, 09:48:43 AM
But how many African players don't do that?

Lauren, Kolo Toure, Kanu, Radebe, Okacha, Essien

Thing is there are so few African players who have played in the Premiership it will look a lot worse. Especially when those who do play here tend to be exceptional and as a result tend to attract a lot of attention.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 13, 2018, 10:57:12 AM
2 years without  goal

How much hasn't he picked no up in that's time ? Got to be over a million surely

Well if he has been on £60k a week since he has been at Stoke, less 45% income tax, let's call it 60 weeks he has been there...£1,980,000 in wages from Stoke plus any signing on bonus and anything else has been paid.

I have no idea what he was earning with us, was it still the £12k per week original contract?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on March 13, 2018, 11:05:48 AM
Well if he has been on £60k a week since he has been at Stoke, less 45% income tax, let's call it 60 weeks he has been there...£1,980,000 in wages from Stoke plus any signing on bonus and anything else has been paid.

I have no idea what he was earning with us, was it still the £12k per week original contract?
I think he is on £70k plus bonuses a week at Stoke. From memory, think he was on £15k when he left us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 13, 2018, 11:18:14 AM
£2,310,000 plus bonuses since being at Stoke.

£429,000 in his final year with us.

The lad epitomises all that is wrong with football. Ridiculous money for absolutely no output.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 13, 2018, 11:56:29 AM
£2,310,000 plus bonuses since being at Stoke.

£429,000 in his final year with us.

The lad epitomises all that is wrong with football. Ridiculous money for absolutely no output.

I'm just glad he's not doing it for Stoke and not us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 13, 2018, 12:01:50 PM
I'm just glad he's not doing it for Stoke and not us.

Imagine he'd actually signed one of those contracts we were hurling at him with a tribunal fee in mind  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on March 14, 2018, 12:05:35 AM
£70k PW = £3:6 million pa.
He could take 1:6million pa in wages less 45% tax keeping say 800k to live on and put £2million tax free into his pension.
Or have it all paid into an offshore company and loan money back from it at 20% tax payable
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on March 14, 2018, 12:11:04 AM
£70k PW = £3:6 million pa.
He could take 1:6million pa in wages less 45% tax keeping say 800k to live on and put £2million tax free into his pension.
Or have it all paid into an offshore company and loan money back from it at 20% tax payable

Knowing what a childish moron he is, I suspect he'll have financial problems soon after retirement.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on March 14, 2018, 12:17:56 AM
Yes I agree mate,football is mad,how can a striker earn £70k per week whose job it is to score goals for not scoring at all for 2years,am I missing something here.
Can't they sack him for incompetence?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on April 06, 2018, 09:17:44 AM
"Saido Berahino's troubles at Stoke City have continued after he was disciplined for arriving late to an U23 game."
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on April 06, 2018, 09:23:08 AM
I bet Stoke are so glad they signed him.  ;D

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on April 06, 2018, 09:46:12 AM
I said it whilst he was with us and the trouble began......he will drop down the leagues

The guy doesnt have the application to be a top level player, he has ability but without application it will only get you so far

No goals in 2 years, turning up for a game that wasnt even being played that day and then turning up late for this match....

He is being paid a huge amount of money to basically do nothing, Stoke should sign me ill accept 20k a week if they want to waste money but ill also clean boots, help coach the kids and drive the bus if they want me too, but i tell you this now id have probabaly scored in the last 2 years aswell

Its a sad state of affairs too see him goto pot when he really had the world at his feet
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 16, 2018, 08:41:17 PM
Apparently just scored for Stoke U23's  :o Who are losing 4-1.  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 16, 2018, 10:42:32 PM
Apparently just scored for Stoke U23's  :o Who are losing 4-1.  :D
Under 23.......inches tall?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 16, 2018, 11:09:28 PM
Under 23.......inches tall?
Nah! Under 23 stones. He just made the weight apparently.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 17, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
brummie mail report of the goal and twitter responses from Stoke and Albion fans.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/saido-berahino-stoke-west-brom-14539408
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on April 19, 2018, 01:07:12 PM
Why always him?!!

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2018/04/19/wateraid-still-not-received-money-from-saido-berahino-charity-bash/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on April 20, 2018, 11:18:52 AM
Why always him?!!

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2018/04/19/wateraid-still-not-received-money-from-saido-berahino-charity-bash/

So lets look at the evidence.

There is a charitable event and Saido is the sponsor/ambassador. The night is a great success and lots of money is raised 'for charity'.

Said charity/charities does not receive and of the funds raised.

So where has the money gone?

I wouldn't be surprised if this is referred to the police. I am not for one second suggested Saido is involved or has knowledge of the dissipation of the charity money, but this absolutely stinks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on May 06, 2018, 07:46:56 AM
Stoke striker Saido Berahino bedded mum then booted her out for claiming he only scored on the Xbox

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/6219844/saido-berahino-only-score-xbox-lover-jibe/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/6219844/saido-berahino-only-score-xbox-lover-jibe/)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on May 06, 2018, 08:30:17 AM
Stoke striker Saido Berahino bedded mum then booted her out for claiming he only scored on the Xbox

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/6219844/saido-berahino-only-score-xbox-lover-jibe/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/6219844/saido-berahino-only-score-xbox-lover-jibe/)

Sorry but that headline is hilarious...I hope it's true because of how ridiculous it sounds - wouldn't rule it out with Berahino  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 06, 2018, 10:29:24 AM
Hope he has a flex down in his contract!

Best thing we did getting rid of this waster.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on May 06, 2018, 10:36:08 AM
Reading that article About him bedding That Mum fair play To her Giving him a Ribbing he needs it As for Call him a Rude arrogant Bit Fair play Love Fair Play We all thought that here at The Albion when the slimy B*******d refused to play for us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on June 21, 2018, 03:06:35 PM
“This is where ex-West Brom misfit Saido Berahino could be playing next season”

Well, good luck to eIther PSV Eindhoven and Feyenoordt if that comes off!

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ex-west-brom-misfit-saido-14811127
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 21, 2018, 03:35:09 PM
If he can't score in the Eredivisie, he never will
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on June 21, 2018, 04:25:55 PM
If he can't score in the Eredivisie, he never will

He should be O.K when they play in Amsterdam  ;) .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on June 21, 2018, 04:50:12 PM
Why would stoke want to get rid of such a fantastic player is beyond me
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on June 21, 2018, 11:24:55 PM
Do we get a % if he's sold on?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 22, 2018, 07:38:53 PM
Do we get a % if he's sold on?
Yep
If he signs for a Dutch team we receive an 1/8th
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on June 22, 2018, 08:23:54 PM
Well that's a bit of a Brucie then for us.
That should pay the tea lady's wages for a week!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on June 22, 2018, 09:13:18 PM
Yep
If he signs for a Dutch team we receive an 1/8th

Don’t worry, your humour may be lost in liverbaggie, but I get it  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sted1990 on June 24, 2018, 03:36:54 PM
Yep
If he signs for a Dutch team we receive an 1/8th

Made me laugh. His career at the top level has gone. To think he once rated as highly as Harry Kane even slightly higher
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on June 24, 2018, 04:10:25 PM
Made me laugh. His career at the top level has gone. To think he once rated as highly as Harry Kane even slightly higher

In his head he is way better than Kane 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on June 25, 2018, 12:51:52 PM
Yep
If he signs for a Dutch team we receive an 1/8th

You on drugs or what ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on June 25, 2018, 02:34:39 PM
Saw a piece on Sky this morning about England’s “Striker Coach”  Allan Russell. One of the few specific clients of his that was mentioned was our boy Saido.

Hardly a glowing endorsement I thought.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on July 22, 2018, 07:24:46 PM
“I've deserved it' Saido Berahino on the criticism - but why a former Baggie is providing him with optimism”

Well, good luck with that KP

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ive-deserved-it-saido-berahino-14938474
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on July 23, 2018, 06:34:18 PM
Will be an interesting season for Saido. There is no doubting that if he can change his attitude and things go right for him, he could tear this division apart.

He will have a job though getting into Stoke’s eleven in the first place. Afobe is proven at this level, while both Diouf and Choupo-Moting have had double figure scoring seasons in the Bundesliga and so could easily fire well in the championship, and Peter Crouch will often get a chance from the bench. He will have to work very hard to get into the most loaded strike force in the division, especially when they also have a couple of youth strikers waiting in the wings.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on July 23, 2018, 07:56:00 PM
Genuinely genuinely do not care about that tub of legend........

Along with thousands of other Albion fans Kev
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on July 23, 2018, 08:20:09 PM
Along with thousands of other Albion fans Kev

My post makes no sense Kev I meant to say L A R D, but every time I type the word it changes to legend, and that is something fatboy will never be.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2018, 06:14:34 PM
“Saido Berahino: Stoke forward given clearance to play for Burundi”

The lads on the up and up, but not in Stoke’s squad today, perhaps his injured or something

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45070868
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 23, 2018, 12:52:34 PM
Stoke City star Saido Berahino ‘had three babies by three women… in just six weeks’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/7324428/saido-berahino-three-babies-stoke/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/7324428/saido-berahino-three-babies-stoke/)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 23, 2018, 01:36:28 PM
Stoke City star Saido Berahino ‘had three babies by three women… in just six weeks’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/7324428/saido-berahino-three-babies-stoke/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/7324428/saido-berahino-three-babies-stoke/)

May his religious beliefs stand all of them in good stead.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on September 23, 2018, 01:43:26 PM
What a d**k!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 23, 2018, 02:47:28 PM
What a d**k!
Must have  Ooer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan87uk on September 24, 2018, 01:37:22 PM
Stoke City star Saido Berahino ‘had three babies by three women… in just six weeks’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/7324428/saido-berahino-three-babies-stoke/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/7324428/saido-berahino-three-babies-stoke/)

And yet he still can't convert his penalties in to what would be the biggest open gaping target he could aim for.  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: slate on September 24, 2018, 07:49:06 PM
Stoke City star Saido Berahino ‘had three babies by three women… in just six weeks’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/7324428/saido-berahino-three-babies-stoke/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/7324428/saido-berahino-three-babies-stoke/)

Well that's me proven wrong. He can score.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 25, 2018, 10:40:23 AM
What a role model for those kids.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 25, 2018, 01:05:16 PM
I bet his Mom is really proud of her boy now !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 25, 2018, 01:07:18 PM
I bet his Mom is really proud of her boy now !

and her grand kids  :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 25, 2018, 09:54:19 PM
Kid doesn’t  learn any lessons does he  :-X

I said when he left he will be trouble everywhere he goes...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 26, 2018, 11:13:53 AM
I wouldn't mind being a quid or two behind him, and his sex life is definitely better than mine.

Two more reasons to dislike him.

Tw@t  :P .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 26, 2018, 02:58:39 PM
I wouldn't mind being a quid or two behind him, and his sex life is definitely better than mine.

Two more reasons to dislike him.

Tw@t  :P .

How much will he be worth once all the paternity suits are settled ?
I doubt these ladies are the sort to not pursue there cases?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 26, 2018, 03:34:22 PM
How much will he be worth once all the paternity suits are settled ?
I doubt these ladies are the sort to not pursue there cases?

No idea chap, dare say he'll still be more than a few folds in front of me though, the double tw@at  ;) .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on September 26, 2018, 04:47:47 PM
No idea chap, dare say he'll still be more than a few folds in front of me though, the double tw@at  ;) .

I reckon he'll be one of these who throws away their wealth and we'll hear a sob story in 10 years time and how he "found God again".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on September 26, 2018, 05:35:49 PM
I reckon he'll be one of these who throws away their wealth and we'll hear a sob story in 10 years time and how he "found God again".
he needs to find a Johnny before he looks for god.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 25, 2018, 01:18:05 PM
He scored yesterday and I'm not about a girl I'm about a goal an actual goal :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on November 25, 2018, 01:21:43 PM
He scored yesterday and I'm not about a girl I'm about a goal an actual goal :o


It was about a yard out, my nephew would've scored that and he's not 3 yet.  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on November 25, 2018, 03:10:38 PM
I reckon he'll be one of these who throws away their wealth and we'll hear a sob story in 10 years time and how he "found God again".

The mothers of his 3 kids will take care of his money!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on November 25, 2018, 04:40:19 PM
The mothers of his 3 kids will take care of his money!
That's 2 goals he's scored in the league for them now. Clearly beginning to find his form and looking well worth his £12 million transfer fee and 70k a week 5 year contract. Damn. We should have held on to him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on January 31, 2019, 02:45:18 PM
Former West Brom star Saido Berahino tipped for shock Premier League return

Good luck with that one!

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-west-brom-star-saido-15760899
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on January 31, 2019, 03:10:23 PM
Former West Brom star Saido Berahino tipped for shock Premier League return

Good luck with that one!

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-west-brom-star-saido-15760899

Maybe Roy can drag something out of the little scrote
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on January 31, 2019, 03:14:10 PM
Maybe Roy can drag something out of the little scrote

Didn't he upset Roy, when he was our Head Coach, at one stage?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ComebackStrodds on January 31, 2019, 03:36:42 PM
Give me strength if he can’t score in the Championship hows he supposed to in the prem. would be Sod’s law if him and Sako formed a deadly duo for uncle Roy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on January 31, 2019, 04:33:40 PM
Didn't he upset Roy, when he was our Head Coach, at one stage?

If I remember rightly Roy Hodgson reportedly wanted to bin him off following one of his loan spells. Apparently he wasn't impressed with Saido's reported general conduct while on loan and didn't think much of him as a young 'professional' or as a person either. Dan' Ashworth was credited with having talked Roy round and into Albion keeping hold of him. I'd be very surprised were Saido to rock up at Selhurst Park while Roy Hodgson's there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickbaggie23 on February 01, 2019, 02:21:37 PM
If I remember rightly Roy Hodgson reportedly wanted to bin him off following one of his loan spells. Apparently he wasn't impressed with Saido's reported general conduct while on loan and didn't think much of him as a young 'professional' or as a person either. Dan' Ashworth was credited with having talked Roy round and into Albion keeping hold of him. I'd be very surprised were Saido to rock up at Selhurst Park while Roy Hodgson's there.

Didn't Roy give Saido his first England call up?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 01, 2019, 04:46:00 PM
He is still at Stoke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 01, 2019, 04:51:34 PM
He is still at Stoke.

Match made in Heaven !  I wish them both a long and unfruitful relationship
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 01, 2019, 05:44:21 PM
Match made in Heaven !  I wish them both a long and unfruitful relationship

I'm sure he hopes so as well as he's paying enough maintenance as it is.

I mean, he only earns £70,000 a week and he's got to live off that after deductions  ;D

Hope all is well with you  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on February 02, 2019, 12:18:16 PM
Hard to believe that in 2011, Berahino was top of the class of strikers from his England year group with Connor Wickham, Benik Afobe and Harry Kane. How did it all go so wrong.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on February 02, 2019, 12:57:01 PM
Just a point on that 2010 under 17's squad, of which Berahino and Wikham were the star players. It was ine hell of a collection.

Harry Kane didn't even make the cut. Instead, you had:

Sam Johnstone, Jack Butland, Berahino, Wikham, Ross Barkley, Nathanial Challobah, Connor Coady, Ben Gibson, Benik Afobe, Andre Wisdom, Josh McEahcran and George Thorne, all of whom are still contracted to prem sides or teams at the top end of the championship. You also have Will Keane at Hull/Ipswich (loan) - the brother of Everton anf England international Michael Keane.

A real golden generation considering how many under 17 internationals drop down the leagues.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GREGMT on February 02, 2019, 01:19:15 PM
Berahino is just not an athlete.  You look how quick top level football is and you've got to be able to move!  It would be interesting to see how Kane would get on playing for Newcastle instead of Spurs but no one can deny his goal scoring ability.  As for Berahino lower Championship is probably his level.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on February 18, 2019, 05:59:35 PM
The gift that keeps on giving!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-6717841/Stoke-striker-Saido-Berahino-arrested-3am-London-suspicion-drink-driving.html?fbclid=IwAR2Yo57IFwcRt1WB8iWBxiA_K8DDaNikEwX31nxFcGhENKK95YYiKVET9lM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on February 18, 2019, 06:13:03 PM
Apparently he was meant to be playing for Stoke under 23's vs Man United tonight!

Even if he was attacked and somebody tried to nick his watch, he had still been drinking in the early hours of the morning of a game that day! Old school you may of got away with it, nowadays its frowned upon!

He also was supposedly left out the squad v Ipswich saturday due to illness, yet less than 24 hours later he is on the booze in london!

I would imagine Stoke will look for any loophole to sack him because nobody would pay a fee for him and at least if they sacked him they could save his wages off his contract as think he has another three and half years on his deal.

Never can condone attacking and robbery (if thats what happened) but to even be in that situation in the first place is just taking the p**s and disrespectful, What a complete idiot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LB on February 18, 2019, 06:36:15 PM
https://apple.news/AZJwuchhvSGeqR7F1XHAhAQ

In trouble again?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 18, 2019, 06:41:01 PM
He said that he was being surrounded by those who wanted to steal from him.
Has he got a dashcam to prove this?
If so, it could show their faces.
I wont hold my breath.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KN22 on February 18, 2019, 06:56:15 PM
What a complete and utter w****r. Waster that is!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 19, 2019, 12:18:00 AM
Bless Mark Hughes for taking the waster off our hands. Setting aside the incident that lead to his arrest what was he doing at 3am in London on the lash when he was due to play latter that day?

There was never a shortage of talent which is why we persevered  with him when a lesser talent would have probably been shown the door before he got anywhere near the 1st team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 19, 2019, 12:27:04 AM
Bless Mark Hughes for taking the waster off our hands. Setting aside the incident that lead to his arrest what was he doing at 3am in London on the lash when he was due to play latter that day?

There was never a shortage of talent which is why we persevered  with him when a lesser talent would have probably been shown the door before he got anywhere near the 1st team.


Frightening the money this lad has made, and also you know someone else will take a chance on him after Stoke, not at £70k a week, but he'll be well compensated.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 19, 2019, 12:54:24 AM
Sad waste of talent. You cannot help but think that he has not yet reached the bottom of his decline.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Oldbury_Baggie on February 19, 2019, 07:21:12 AM
 Berahino arrested for drink driving, the career the complete tool could have had, deserves all he gets

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/02/18/saido-berahino-heads-stoke-city-exit-drink-drive-arrest/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on February 19, 2019, 08:14:34 AM
Berahino arrested for drink driving, the career the complete tool could have had, deserves all he gets

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/02/18/saido-berahino-heads-stoke-city-exit-drink-drive-arrest/

What is wrong with him  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 19, 2019, 08:54:59 AM
Berahino arrested for drink driving, the career the complete tool could have had, deserves all he gets

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/02/18/saido-berahino-heads-stoke-city-exit-drink-drive-arrest/

Waste of skin
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on February 19, 2019, 09:09:18 AM
Isn’t this the 2nd time? Depending on how high he could get a minor prison sentence
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on February 19, 2019, 09:29:34 AM
Sad waste of talent. You cannot help but think that he has not yet reached the bottom of his decline.....

This entirely.

What a shame and what a fool to himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on February 19, 2019, 10:03:33 AM
Sad waste of talent. You cannot help but think that he has not yet reached the bottom of his decline.....

I think its only going to get worse to be honest.

The lower down the leagues he gets the more trouble he's going to be, Stoke will want rid of him soon enough, then its a case of finding someone stupid enough to take him.

Actually think the best thing he could do for himself if move abroad and start again, get away from all his current 'circle' of friends and concentrate on playing football again.

What a wasted talent, and to think he was thought higher than Harry Kane at one point.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on February 19, 2019, 10:09:45 AM
Surely this constitutes gross misconduct and is therefore a dismissal offence?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 19, 2019, 10:21:33 AM
Stoke will try to sell striker Saido Berahino as soon as the summer transfer window opens after the 25-year-old Burundi international was arrested on suspicion of drink-driving

Do we have a sell on fee in his contract? They won’t sell him for what they bought him for and may have just terminate his contract, typical of Berahino no consideration 😂

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6718611/Stoke-look-sell-Saido-Berahino-summer-drink-driving-arrest.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on February 19, 2019, 10:43:28 AM
This will be his second drink driving offence if found guilty so the courts are likely to take tougher action this time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 19, 2019, 11:33:19 AM
Said it since he started playing up for us, he will drop down the leagues.

Sad waste of a very good talent, no doubt someone will take a chance but his top level career is over and so are the big money contracts

As someone said above his best bet is to go abroad and reignite his career
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 19, 2019, 11:40:42 AM
Do we have a sell on fee in his contract?

He's been that bad a signing we might owe them money from a sell on.   ;D

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on February 19, 2019, 12:22:07 PM
Said it since he started playing up for us, he will drop down the leagues.

Sad waste of a very good talent, no doubt someone will take a chance but his top level career is over and so are the big money contracts

As someone said above his best bet is to go abroad and reignite his career
Except that he still has 3 years at £70k a week left on his Stoke contract, which adds up to over £10 million even without bonuses. Despite that, wouldn't surprise me to see a headline in 10 years time saying he is broke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 19, 2019, 12:53:01 PM
Except that he still has 3 years at £70k a week left on his Stoke contract, which adds up to over £10 million even without bonuses. Despite that, wouldn't surprise me to see a headline in 10 years time saying he is broke.

If I were Stoke, I’d be exploring “breech of contract” and get rid of him that way without having to pay up the remainder of his contract.

Additionally, I would not be surprised if any sponsors he has, drop him like a red hot brick.

In my opinion, this finishes his career, he will bounce around the lower leagues and sulk.

He will of course blame Albion for all his “misfortunes”, because we refused to sell him to Spurs. In his mind, he should have been integral to Gareth Southgate’s Englan plans, delusional fantasist!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 19, 2019, 01:18:04 PM
If I were Stoke, I’d be exploring “breech of contract” and get rid of him that way without having to pay up the remainder of his contract.

Additionally, I would not be surprised if any sponsors he has, drop him like a red hot brick.

In my opinion, this finishes his career, he will bounce around the lower leagues and sulk.

He will of course blame Albion for all his “misfortunes”, because we refused to sell him to Spurs. In his mind, he should have been integral to Gareth Southgate’s Englan plans, delusional fantasist!


They can't sack him apparently. Search former Stoke midfielder Liam Lawrence on Twitter.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on February 19, 2019, 01:35:28 PM
It is always someone else's fault never his own. Not man enough to admit to his mistakes
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on February 19, 2019, 01:58:31 PM

They can't sack him apparently. Search former Stoke midfielder Liam Lawrence on Twitter.

that is hilarious on Stokes part tbf.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 19, 2019, 02:21:42 PM
Formerly charge with being drunk in charge of a motor vehicle and due in court next month apparently.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 19, 2019, 02:26:47 PM

They can't sack him apparently. Search former Stoke midfielder Liam Lawrence on Twitter.

The club can terminate a fixed-term employment contract only for a particularly weighty reason. Such a reason could be such a serious breach or neglect of the obligations arising from the employee’s employment contract or law with material effects on the employment relationship that the club cannot be reasonably expected to continue the contractual relationship.

If he goes to prison, which is possible, would that "constitute breach or neglect of the obligations"?

Did we not sack Lee Hughes as a result of a prison sentence?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on February 19, 2019, 02:39:45 PM
You'd think there'd be a gross misconduct line in their contract.  Trouble is clubs see it as lost revenue when they sack someone off rather than selling them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 19, 2019, 02:48:33 PM
You'd think there'd be a gross misconduct line in their contract.  Trouble is clubs see it as lost revenue when they sack someone off rather than selling them.

i doubt they will get a fee greater than having to pay the remainder of his contract up, £70k a week someone mentioned for the next 3 years, which is close on £11m. No one will pay anywhere near that for him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on February 19, 2019, 02:58:16 PM
In one of the worlds most videoed cities you would think there would be some sort of evidence to backup his claim of attempted robbery.....

A stoke fan on the oatcake said he drove round the corner and called the police himself....however the Met said he was seen speeding away as officers arrived.

What doesnt sit right is, he was parked outside the restaurant, over the limit and had to be training or at a match a few hours later that day, so it begs the question? Did he always plan to drive anyway? Premeditated drink driving I reckon

Guys a fool, glad he isnt our fool anymore
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on February 19, 2019, 06:19:32 PM
he did well to find a parking space in the centre of London, especially right outside the restaurant if that was the case even at 3am in the morning ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Tank on February 19, 2019, 08:17:32 PM
Double yellow, or even Disabled space. Wouldn't put it past him.   Trying to Google map the area.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pureade1 on February 19, 2019, 08:47:29 PM
Hope the arrogant waste of talent goes to prison. Any other person would as he has been caught twice in a relatively short space of time for the same offence. Could have been a player but instead hes another David Bentley type player - thinks he has more ability than he has and is a very arrogant individual judging by everything we hear about him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 19, 2019, 09:44:20 PM
We shoulkd now be saying..."Saido" Who?
Nothing but a drunken waster!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 19, 2019, 10:27:22 PM
Stoke keen to get rid of him, wages appear to be £40,000 a week.

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-saido-berahino-contract-2560253
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on February 20, 2019, 10:19:22 AM
Feel sad.  So much talent, so young and it is in danger of all going wrong.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bilston Dan on February 20, 2019, 11:17:03 AM
It is such a shame really, but the more stories that come out about him, I kind of lose my sympathy (of what I had left for him). I guess he's our very own Stefan/Luke Moore, it's a good job we got rid of him. Imagine if he actually went to Tottenham? I reckon he'd still turn out like this.

Now the problem for him is, who's going to want to take him on? He hasn't exactly got a great track record has he? I can only see him slumping down the leagues into obscurity and he'll be a footnote in the Ex-Players thread in 5 years time. It's such a waste of talent, because there's a seriously good player in there. However, no manager is going to change him, he'll have to change himself and his attitude and if he doesn't, then he'll just become another Luke Moore.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on February 20, 2019, 11:20:02 AM
It is such a shame really, but the more stories that come out about him, I kind of lose my sympathy (of what I had left for him). I guess he's our very own Stefan/Luke Moore, it's a good job we got rid of him. Imagine if he actually went to Tottenham? I reckon he'd still turn out like this.

Now the problem for him is, who's going to want to take him on? He hasn't exactly got a great track record has he? I can only see him slumping down the leagues into obscurity and he'll be a footnote in the Ex-Players thread in 5 years time. It's such a waste of talent, because there's a seriously good player in there. However, no manager is going to change him, he'll have to change himself and his attitude and if he doesn't, then he'll just become another Luke Moore.


He's gone now. Whatever talent you have as a youngster you have to progress. Berahino hasn't done that and he won't do it now regardless of his attitude, he's wasted his development years. Basically he's finished unless he drops down divisions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bilston Dan on February 20, 2019, 11:25:46 AM

He's gone now. Whatever talent you have as a youngster you have to progress. Berahino hasn't done that and he won't do it now regardless of his attitude, he's wasted his development years. Basically he's finished unless he drops down divisions.

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong I'm glad he's gone.  ;D

It wouldn't surprise me if he were to be playing League 2 in a couple of seasons to be honest.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on February 20, 2019, 11:29:20 AM
If he is found guilty of drink driving there is a slight possibility he may get sent to prison as its his second time.

In a weird way that may actually be what he needs, he needs some sort of wake up call, he made a number of mistakes at the Albion and instead of that being a deterrent, somebody then pays £12m, gives him millions in a signing fee and a £70k a week contract, its like he was being rewarded despite being an idiot.

A spell inside, realise thats where his life is at now, may just hit home some truths and give him a reality check because whatever he is doing now isnt working. All the 'god is great' 'i love my mum' mottos are just words, he needs to reassess his life, who his friends are, etc and try and rebuild his career, even if he isnt found guilty you have to question why he keeps ending up in these situations, its disrespectful nowadays to be out the night before a game, let alone possibly be on the beers.

Even if he does get sent down, if he showed genuine remorse, turned his life around, then some club will give him a contract. Without opening a can of worms,  the Lee Hughes situation shows clubs will offer deals because they have scored goals previously and thats what everyone wants.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on February 20, 2019, 01:55:56 PM
I've read elsewhere that he's being charged with being drunk in charge of a motor vehicle which although still serious is a lesser charge than drink driving. Probably end up with:
https://www.ibblaw.co.uk/service/road-traffic-offences/drunk-charge-motor-vehicle
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on February 20, 2019, 03:31:56 PM
He's a wrong'un we all know it,wherever he's been there's a problem.
He would've been trouble no matter what job he did.
He'll end up skint.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gazberg on February 21, 2019, 01:12:08 PM
Stoke looking to sack Berahino, dont blame them.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/02/21/stoke-explore-prospect-sacking-saido-berahino-drink-driving/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw


Glad we got rid of him when we did.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 21, 2019, 01:15:32 PM
Sack him and hold onto his registration until the end of his contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 21, 2019, 02:33:41 PM
Sack him and hold onto his registration until the end of his contract.

They can’t hold onto to his registration under Bosman rules
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on February 21, 2019, 03:41:37 PM
I'm not well versed on the rules of sacking players but I understand they don't happen much? I know Darron Gibson got sacked for similar last season but there's a number of incidents where nothing happens, i.e. O'Hara, Ranger, Johnson etc - and they are paid to leave.

Is the sacking of Berahino more likely because it's in black and white that he's breached the contract and it's not a gray area, so it cannot be legally challenged, or am I missing something here?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on February 22, 2019, 08:09:08 AM
Stoke considering sacking Saido Berahino for gross misconduct after he was charged with drink-driving having told them he was too ill to train

So much for Liam Lawrence take on it

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-6729339/Stoke-considering-sacking-Saido-Berahino-drink-driving-charge.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on February 25, 2019, 02:56:00 PM
Stoke considering sacking Saido Berahino for gross misconduct after he was charged with drink-driving having told them he was too ill to train

So much for Liam Lawrence take on it

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-6729339/Stoke-considering-sacking-Saido-Berahino-drink-driving-charge.html

taken from that article 'There are those close to Berahino who believe he is in need of pastoral care'

he needs a good kick up the backside and be shown what he is throwing away through childish behaviour.

yes he's had a tough upbringing unlike many, but unlike many he has the world at his feet with his job and money he can earn. p!ssing away any talent he had to have a good time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on February 25, 2019, 05:00:39 PM
I couldn't care less where he is or what he's doing and I hope he gets everything he's got coming. Selfish arrogant git
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 06, 2019, 10:56:00 AM
https://twitter.com/janedougallsky/status/1103231351183065089

He truly is just an awful, awful person
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on March 06, 2019, 10:59:36 AM
https://twitter.com/janedougallsky/status/1103231351183065089

He truly is just an awful, awful person

Showing his true class, arrogant pr ick.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on March 06, 2019, 11:01:27 AM
Showing his true class, arrogant pr ick.
What's it say?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on March 06, 2019, 11:04:06 AM
Lol he has the nerve to call the photographers idiots as he walks into court to lose his license.
Language not that befitting a student of the bible either  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on March 06, 2019, 11:06:07 AM
What's it say?

To all awaiting reporters who aren't even really in his way:

'naughty word you doing man?

Get the naughty word out of the way man! Stupid.

Fkn idiots man'

The idiots part is particularly ironic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on March 06, 2019, 11:07:11 AM
What's it say?

As he approaches the court, there are people standing in front of him on the pavement and he tells the to get out the “f”ing way. Then having passed them he turns and calls them “f”Ing idiots. What a charmer he is, bless him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on March 06, 2019, 11:13:14 AM
Pleaded not guilty to driving under the influence of alcohol, bailed to appear for trial at Highbury Magistrates on May 15th.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 06, 2019, 11:19:23 AM
Pleaded not guilty to driving under the influence of alcohol, bailed to appear for trial at Highbury Magistrates on May 15th.

Where the book will hopefully be thrown at him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on March 06, 2019, 11:21:23 AM
He really is a nobody and an arrogant little twerp.

He has no class, no sophistication and as my mom would have said, “the only thing he has inside him is what a knife and fork put there”
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on March 06, 2019, 11:36:52 AM
He really is a nobody and an arrogant little twerp.

He has no class, no sophistication and as my mom would have said, “the only thing he has inside him is what a knife and fork put there”

I honestly don't imagine he bothers with a knife and fork, probably too much effort and all a bit complicated  ;) .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on March 06, 2019, 12:32:51 PM
This area of London has wall to wall CCTV- if he was robbed it will be on record and he will rightly be acquitted.  If not, then he can expect a lengthy ban and the sack.  I am however curious as to why you would take your car out into the west end and not expect to drive it back?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on March 06, 2019, 12:33:52 PM
His career will be finished (what's left of it)  in a few years time, his hangers on will disappear and he'll be left, fat and bald, with no job and a whole load of kids to feed.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on March 06, 2019, 12:35:19 PM
His career will be finished (what's left of it)  in a few years time, his hangers on will disappear and he'll be left, fat and bald, with no job and a whole load of kids to feed.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.

do you really think he will take responsibility for his kids???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on March 06, 2019, 12:39:14 PM
do you really think he will take responsibility for his kids???
Not of his own volition no, but hopefully it won't be his choice and he'll get stripped bare by the CSA or whatever it's equivalent is these days.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on March 06, 2019, 01:28:50 PM
Will base his defence on “Duress of Circumstance”

We can only hope "Del Boy" is his defence Lawyer  ;D

Source: https://www.drivingdefences.co.uk/ (Hammond Trotter Solicitors, Motoring Law Experts)

Duress of circumstances

A circumstance may arise that is beyond a persons control and that necessitates driving whilst intoxicated. This is known as ‘duress of circumstance’ and in only an extreme case of duress would this defence be available. Examples of these are a threat of serious violence from another person against the accused or another individual or a genuine fear of death for the individual had they not driven the vehicle. If a person was to claim that they were under duress and this is used as their defence, it is up to the prosecution to prove this was untrue beyond any reasonable doubt. They will examine whether the threat was real or perceived, if the distance driven was appropriate for the escape of immediate danger and if a sober person would have responded to the incident in the same way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on March 06, 2019, 03:24:36 PM
Will base his defence on “Duress of Circumstance”

We can only hope "Del Boy" is his defence Lawyer  ;D

Source: https://www.drivingdefences.co.uk/ (Hammond Trotter Solicitors, Motoring Law Experts)

Duress of circumstances

A circumstance may arise that is beyond a persons control and that necessitates driving whilst intoxicated. This is known as ‘duress of circumstance’ and in only an extreme case of duress would this defence be available. Examples of these are a threat of serious violence from another person against the accused or another individual or a genuine fear of death for the individual had they not driven the vehicle. If a person was to claim that they were under duress and this is used as their defence, it is up to the prosecution to prove this was untrue beyond any reasonable doubt. They will examine whether the threat was real or perceived, if the distance driven was appropriate for the escape of immediate danger and if a sober person would have responded to the incident in the same way.

Yeah! And this is the guy who was telling everyone he was fit to play and we wouldnt play him. It then came to light that he was banned by the FA. Didn't tell people that did you Saido?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 06, 2019, 04:55:39 PM
Last but one paragraph...
In further embarrassment for the player, photographs showed the Mercedes sports car he travelled to court in had been given a parking ticket during the brief hearing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-47469513
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on March 06, 2019, 05:11:21 PM
Thieves rinse him of his watch and somehow manage to miss the presence of a rather large Range Rover parked close by which he was walking towards. 'Cleverest' footballer on the planet somehow escapes their further attentions and drives a whole fifteen feet/yards to play hide and seek around the corner in an invisible motor vehicle which he somehow managed to find despite being three times over the limit.

Even at his fittest Saido was not known for his blistering turn of pace, nor for being the brightest of sparklers in November either. His assailants must have had the collective vision of bats in welding goggles, been on zimmer frames, obese and incredibly dense. Lucky old Saido to have stumbled across the stupidest, fattest and most incompetent muggers on the planet. Sounds like there must have been a Pink Panther convention nearby. Who would have thunked 'why me?' could have such a turn of good fortune immediately on top of so much bad?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on March 06, 2019, 07:06:27 PM
Is he too stupid to insure his stuff?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on March 06, 2019, 07:10:37 PM
Wonder if he will claim in court that his assailants forced him to drink Alcohol ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 15, 2019, 07:42:44 PM
guilty
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-48284235
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on May 15, 2019, 07:59:12 PM
I remember the flack Pulis got for the way he treated Berahino, in hindsight he gave him more than enough chances.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2019, 09:02:26 PM
The only person being robbed is the Stoke fan who helps pay this waster's salary.

At least we can set off his fee received against the money we wasted on our own Burke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on May 26, 2019, 12:50:25 PM
Stoke Sentinel saying he's been sacked...

He was reportedly on £70k p/w and still had 2.5 years left on the deal. Lucky escape for Stoke, but for Berahino it seems his days are numbered. Even if he didn't do the drink driving, he could have effectively sat for the remaining 2.5 years and got paid. But not now.

I remember reading he was spending £20k per month on stuff like child support. Next is bankruptcy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on May 26, 2019, 01:00:17 PM
Stoke Sentinel saying he's been sacked...

He was reportedly on £70k p/w and still had 2.5 years left on the deal. Lucky escape for Stoke, but for Berahino it seems his days are numbered. Even if he didn't do the drink driving, he could have effectively sat for the remaining 2.5 years and got paid. But not now.

I remember reading he was spending £20k per month on stuff like child support. Next is bankruptcy.

No sympathy for the man!. As soon as his money goes so will his hanger on mates.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on May 26, 2019, 01:39:16 PM
What could have been eh?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on May 26, 2019, 03:42:15 PM
Interesting development I wonder how this will pan out? I must assume that Stoke have a clause in the contract which allows for termination but he is now a free agent so I am guessing that someone somewhere will pick him up. Not the end of the road for Saido but I suspect his circumstances will be much reduced.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on May 26, 2019, 04:58:24 PM
Any employer can terminate a contract on grounds of gross misconduct.  The problem in doing this for professional footballers is that in terminating the contract you create a free agent who can then negotiate terms elsewhere, and on which you as a club will not receive compensation.  Dismissal shows that Stoke have considered this potential loss.  And on balance, they think it is worth it to get him off the salary bill.  From Saido's perspective, this shows a further significant fall from grace.  I wosh him well he could have been an Albion great.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KN22 on May 26, 2019, 05:22:09 PM
What could have been eh?

Had potential but never was the finished article... and that’s before all this shenanigans
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on May 26, 2019, 06:08:37 PM
I'm sure someone will take him on for no transfer fee and something like 10-20 grand a week? It's probably make or break for him now but if he gets his head screwed on right and gets 100% fit he could still have a decent career and be a shrewd signing for someone. He desperately needs to accept some guidance from someone responsible and accept that he's on the verge of throwing away a good career and becoming a complete failure. Maybe with the loss of this lucrative contract which may have acted as a comfort blanket for future earnings etc, he'll get the shock that he needs.

We're looking for strikers aren't we?  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BalisPen on May 26, 2019, 06:25:43 PM
I don't think it as easy as Stoke think this is to just sack him.

If there is anyone in stoke's history who has had drink drive conviction and not lost their job, there is his defence to get this overturned.

He will also have the support of the pfa.

If he gets sacked it is bad news for us too as he is on a reported £70k a week which will be freed on Stoke to spend elsewhere.

We want that millstone to be around their neck for the whole duration of the 5.5 year contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 26, 2019, 07:52:29 PM
I don't think it as easy as Stoke think this is to just sack him.

If there is anyone in stoke's history who has had drink drive conviction and not lost their job, there is his defence to get this overturned.

He will also have the support of the pfa.

If he gets sacked it is bad news for us too as he is on a reported £70k a week which will be freed on Stoke to spend elsewhere.

We want that millstone to be around their neck for the whole duration of the 5.5 year contract.
Bloody hell , greedy or what?. They took him off our hands and paid us handsomely. To hell with Stoke and Berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: buzzingbaggie on May 26, 2019, 08:08:51 PM
Bloody hell , greedy or what?. They took him off our hands and paid us handsomely. To hell with Stoke and Berahino

No its spot on, ****'em!.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BalisPen on May 26, 2019, 08:10:34 PM
Bloody hell , greedy or what?. They took him off our hands and paid us handsomely. To hell with Stoke and Berahino

So do you feel sorry for Stoke or is it to hell with them?

Your post is tad ambiguous.

If wanting us to do better than them is greedy, then I am a modern day bacchus.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on May 26, 2019, 08:10:49 PM
Remember when Clarke put faith in him and he scored v Man U when we won there?! Seems a long, long time ago now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on May 26, 2019, 09:18:14 PM
Remember when Clarke put faith in him and he scored v Man U when we won there?! Seems a long, long time ago now.

That's because it was a long time ago, it was September 28th 2013. Including Steve Clarke we've had six full time managers since that day. Clarke, Irvine, Mel, Pulis, Pardew and Moore. Throw Downing, Kelly, Megson, Moore again and Shan into the mix and we have some indication of the turmoil we've been in as a club during that time. That's a shocking level of managerial turnover in my opinion. If a week is a long time in politics as suggested by Harold Wilson, then just over five and a half years is an absolute eternity in the world of football and the recent history of West Bromwich Albion in particular.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 26, 2019, 10:36:12 PM
Remember when Clarke put faith in him and he scored v Man U when we won there?! Seems a long, long time ago now.
But it was a great day out sat in the home end 😀
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on May 27, 2019, 09:13:47 AM
That's because it was a long time ago, it was September 28th 2013. Including Steve Clarke we've had six full time managers since that day. Clarke, Irvine, Mel, Pulis, Pardew and Moore. Throw Downing, Kelly, Megson, Moore again and Shan into the mix and we have some indication of the turmoil we've been in as a club during that time. That's a shocking level of managerial turnover in my opinion. If a week is a long time in politics as suggested by Harold Wilson, then just over five and a half years is an absolute eternity in the world of football and the recent history of West Bromwich Albion in particular.

I suppose you're right, when i think about the changes in my own life too, met a girl, got married, dreamed about Australia, went to Australia, confirmed our liking of it, began a visa process and finally got invited! Yeah, it was a long time ago!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 27, 2019, 09:25:28 AM
But it was a great day out sat in the home end 😀
Great day as well as Berahino's goal highlight for me was Amalfitano putting De Gea on his backside when scoring that wonderful solo goal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on May 27, 2019, 09:28:14 AM
What could have been eh?



One of the few players in recent times to make you stand up when he got the ball. What an absolute waste....

Personally I blame his agent when he told Saido he was good and the spuds wanted him. A real 'heads gone'
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on May 27, 2019, 10:25:43 AM
The problem with gross misconduct clauses and footballer's contracts is that football has it's own unique employment arrangements which are shaped by the economic interest the employers have in the player's contract.

So for instance taking the cab four as an example, if a "normal" employee was attending a conference in Barcalona and got themselves arrested for stealing a cab then I am pretty sure that they would be fired. We did not fire the cab four, we fined them (an option that most employers don't have nor should they) but having fined them we have set ourselves a precedent for that type of behaviour. Short of a player breaking the law and being subject custodial sentence it is hard to see how the Albion could ever sack a player.

I suspect Stoke are in a similar position. The list of dismissible offences for footballers are virtually non existent. I think my learned friends will have a field day with this unless Stoke are greasing the wheels. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyfred on May 27, 2019, 12:00:55 PM
whether they get away with it or not remains to be seen but what a waste, another  young player with great potential who thought he had made the big time and now watching his career going down the pan, whoever has been advising him obviously had no real influence over him., he will find it a long road back, if he gets back at all
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 27, 2019, 12:07:22 PM
Apparently he is going to appeal so likely scenario is he will negotiate a pay off with the club and leave with a few quid from them and a nice signing on fee from his new club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on May 27, 2019, 12:09:46 PM
The problem with gross misconduct clauses and footballer's contracts is that football has it's own unique employment arrangements which are shaped by the economic interest the employers have in the player's contract.

So for instance taking the cab four as an example, if a "normal" employee was attending a conference in Barcalona and got themselves arrested for stealing a cab then I am pretty sure that they would be fired. We did not fire the cab four, we fined them (an option that most employers don't have nor should they) but having fined them we have set ourselves a precedent for that type of behaviour. Short of a player breaking the law and being subject custodial sentence it is hard to see how the Albion could ever sack a player.

I suspect Stoke are in a similar position. The list of dismissible offences for footballers are virtually non existent. I think my learned friends will have a field day with this unless Stoke are greasing the wheels.

Did we not sack/terminate Anelka's contract? is there a significant difference between sacking and terminating a players contract? Genuine question
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on May 27, 2019, 05:32:37 PM
He can kiss goodbye to pay days in the US and Australia given his criminal record. Surely a British club would know better?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on May 28, 2019, 06:53:42 AM
Did we not sack/terminate Anelka's contract? is there a significant difference between sacking and terminating a players contract? Genuine question

Yes a Gross Misconduct dismissal terminates the contract with immeadiate effect and no notice or any other compensation is due. Terminating the contract implies at the very minimum the club would have paid notice or the contract in full if there was no notice period stipulated. If I remember rightly the club had to wait for a fairly lenghty FA investigation to be completed at the end of which Anelka got a ban and then quit. We then fired him but with notice.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on May 28, 2019, 12:05:25 PM
He'll get a club and he's still young enough to recover to become a footballer. Problem is, he's never really been a proper footballer yet and aside from half a season with us, looks a poor player.

If I were him, I'd go to league one and try to score a hatful for someone. Don't think he's got it in him anymore though?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwick2 on May 28, 2019, 12:07:31 PM
Most employers would sack you over this yes. But outside of team sports, there is no industry which pays very large sums of money to gain an employee from another company, especially on a year to year basis. The value of an employee at a football club is that they are one of 30 odd players that have a direct impact on company performance and by sacking that player you are effectively zero'ing the value of an asset worth millions. It puts the club in a very difficult position when it comes to gross misconduct
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on July 06, 2019, 07:42:20 AM
Birmingham City are ready to offer Stoke City's 25-year-old Burundi striker Saido Berahino a trial.

A trial? I thought he one of those the other week

Source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9446467/birmingham-saido-berahino-career-lifeline-axed-stoke-striker-trial-transfer/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on July 06, 2019, 11:05:17 AM
I'd be amazed if they went anywhere near him given his trials and tribulations locally. I'd be equally amazed if they could afford him given their financial woes, this despite his choices being narrower by the day. I'd be even more amazed if his ego allowed him to go on trial. I'd be absolutely astounded if he did enough to impress them in the first place. There's still a decent player in there, but with every passing day it sinks further and further into the recesses of Saido's mind which unfortunately for him appears to reside up his backside. All of this and I didn't even bother to click on the link to read about his latest 'trial'  ;D .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on July 06, 2019, 03:55:50 PM
Just clicked back to page 1 of this thread, unbelievable how far he has fallen, and most of it his own doing
What could have been.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: divinewind on July 06, 2019, 06:05:51 PM
He took the fame and adulation before he was famous. It's easy to criticise but how many kids from poor backgrounds would relish the chance he had?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on July 06, 2019, 06:35:41 PM
The Ego has landed! Right on his fat backside. He is now in the last chance saloon. Can he take this opportunity to save his career?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 06, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
We should take him back.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on July 06, 2019, 07:25:36 PM
There'll be plenty of clubs who will risk him on what will surely be a low wage, no fee gamble.

The best case for him would presumably be starting again far away from Birmingham, maybe somewhere abroad. He clearly has a certain lifestyle here and letting him stay in that comfort zone, well its difficult to see him changing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KN22 on July 06, 2019, 08:42:06 PM
I'd be amazed if they went anywhere near him given his trials and tribulations locally. I'd be equally amazed if they could afford him given their financial woes, this despite his choices being narrower by the day. I'd be even more amazed if his ego allowed him to go on trial. I'd be absolutely astounded if he did enough to impress them in the first place. There's still a decent player in there, but with every passing day it sinks further and further into the recesses of Saido's mind which unfortunately for him appears to reside up his backside. All of this and I didn't even bother to click on the link to read about his latest 'trial'  ;D .

Can’t afford him? Just what kind of salary does he expect to be offered?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KN22 on July 06, 2019, 08:43:06 PM
We should take him back.

Go on, I will bite. You jest surely?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 06, 2019, 10:19:12 PM
Go on, I will bite. You jest surely?
Nope...I’m serious
Taking in to account that he’s been stupid and that he didn’t leave in a blaze of glory..
To sign him would cost nothing, we are probably still the club he would call “home” and crucially players don’t lose their instinct .....application/attitude/fitness would all need to be worked on , but get him fit and in this league he could be (COULD BE) as good as Gayle

Pay as you play
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on July 06, 2019, 10:45:41 PM
Nope...I’m serious
Taking in to account that he’s been stupid and that he didn’t leave in a blaze of glory..
To sign him would cost nothing, we are probably still the club he would call “home” and crucially players don’t lose their instinct .....application/attitude/fitness would all need to be worked on , but get him fit and in this league he could be (COULD BE) as good as Gayle

Pay as you play
With all respect, this is the most bizarre post I have seen on this site, for so many reasons !!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on July 06, 2019, 10:45:52 PM
Nope...I’m serious
Taking in to account that he’s been stupid and that he didn’t leave in a blaze of glory..
To sign him would cost nothing, we are probably still the club he would call “home” and crucially players don’t lose their instinct .....application/attitude/fitness would all need to be worked on , but get him fit and in this league he could be (COULD BE) as good as Gayle

Pay as you play
Not a chance in hell! If he did come back my season ticket would go back. Total waster I hope no one takes him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 06, 2019, 10:57:42 PM
Nope...I’m serious
Taking in to account that he’s been stupid and that he didn’t leave in a blaze of glory..
To sign him would cost nothing, we are probably still the club he would call “home” and crucially players don’t lose their instinct .....application/attitude/fitness would all need to be worked on , but get him fit and in this league he could be (COULD BE) as good as Gayle

Pay as you play


Have some sympathy with this, and wouldn't be averse to it on a nominal wage. He's better than Kanu and potentially better than Rodriguez based on what he did 5 years ago. What's the harm if he's paid on a perfomance incentive basis?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on July 06, 2019, 10:58:39 PM

Have some sympathy with this, and wouldn't be averse to it on a nominal wage. He's better than Kanu and potentially better than Rodriguez based on what he did 5 years ago. What's the harm if he's paid on a perfomance incentive basis?
Fishing again ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 06, 2019, 11:01:30 PM
Fishing again ?


No what are the negatives of a deal structured as I've suggested..? I don't fish on here unless there is the obvious opportunity for humour.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on July 06, 2019, 11:27:52 PM

No what are the negatives of a deal structured as I've suggested..? I don't fish on here unless there is the obvious opportunity for humour.

His whole attitude and the baggage that comes with it is something we shouldn’t have anywhere near this club.

You could have him on a performance/pay when you play deal. But he would cause more damage than it’s worth.

As someone said earlier, the best thing for him to do is get a move away from the Midlands. Or even better go abroad and concentrate on football.

Still amazes me to think at one point many thought he deserved to be in the England squad above Kane.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 06, 2019, 11:33:47 PM
With all respect, this is the most bizarre post I have seen on this site, for so many reasons !!
I understand that many will not want or understand how having him back could work

Straight question
Rodriguez/ berahino (a fit one)
Or
Rodriguez / Hrk
Which partnership gets the most goals ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on July 06, 2019, 11:40:48 PM
**** this kid.

Further he stays away from us the better
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on July 07, 2019, 12:19:01 AM
he doesn't deserve another chance at the Albion, he thought he was bigger and better than us so sod him. blokes a waster who never learns from his mistakes. he had huge potential and a huge ego and look where it's got him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on July 07, 2019, 12:47:40 AM
Some very bizarre posts here!!
So we mug the clay heads and make a profit on a complete waster who could have had it all, and now some are thinking he might be worth a gamble?

This buffoon should never receive another penny from our great club

The bloke is a complete pillock
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on July 07, 2019, 07:28:20 AM
Some people get way too emotional about this sport/business. If a deal was structured in a way that suited us we could potentially get some good football out of him and then maybe make a profit on him again in the future if he knuckles down. There's no loyalty left in football anymore, you all need to eventually deal with that fact I'm afraid and just roll with the punches.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on July 07, 2019, 08:23:00 AM
“Bites the hand that feeds” springs to mind.

Unfortunately, that attitude is ingrained in his DNA, he will never change as he exudes and displays “I’m a victim syndrome” and has never accepted responsibility for his own actions.

We could spend time, energy and money on him with no return. At least HRK is an honest type of player and offers better value for money than Beahino, that’s how much of a waster I consider him to be.

So, that would be a no from me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on July 07, 2019, 08:48:51 AM
Some people get way too emotional about this sport/business. If a deal was structured in a way that suited us we could potentially get some good football out of him and then maybe make a profit on him again in the future if he knuckles down. There's no loyalty left in football anymore, you all need to eventually deal with that fact I'm afraid and just roll with the punches.

Nothing too emotional about this Barrington. The facts are simple - Saido needs an income and will 'play' anywhere to get it. When he went to Stoke he gave it all the hype about how he was looking forward to the challenge, and look what happened - nothing. All that changed there was that he was given even more money to continue his 'billy big boots' lifestyle.

Your proposal of a structured deal contains too many variables for me. Why would we even consider putting a salary at risk for someone who will probably not deliver? and the club become the laughing stock of West Midlands football at the same time?

You are right about loyalty and Saido owes us nothing, but when you have a contract with a club I expect loyalty then, and effort - lots of it both on and off the pitch. He had none of that here and even less at Stoke. Why on earth do you think he would change 2nd time around?

He needs to drop a division or two and start banging them in for fun to ever be taken seriously again. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on July 07, 2019, 08:57:15 AM
Too much history and baggage for him to come back here.

What I will say though is if someone can sort his head out then there is still a cracking player there somewhere. You don’t just lose it and he was great for us for a time
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on July 07, 2019, 09:41:33 AM
Some people get way too emotional about this sport/business. If a deal was structured in a way that suited us we could potentially get some good football out of him and then maybe make a profit on him again in the future if he knuckles down. There's no loyalty left in football anymore, you all need to eventually deal with that fact I'm afraid and just roll with the punches.

My mom always used to say, IF spoils many a good story
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on July 07, 2019, 10:46:56 AM
Even if you take a player on a pay to play, he takes a place that might be open to others- a youth team member for example.  You also need to consider the impact on morale within the club as a whole.  As I recall there is no love lost amongst senior squad members for Saido-JM punched his lights out once I seem to recall.  The impact in my view would be toxic.  This is all before assessing the risks of a further drug or other scandal, the chances of which are pretty high in my view.  So to earlier points, good luck Saido, but whatever you do next it will not be at the Hawthorns please.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 07, 2019, 11:38:45 AM
Even if you take a player on a pay to play, he takes a place that might be open to others- a youth team member for example.  You also need to consider the impact on morale within the club as a whole.  As I recall there is no love lost amongst senior squad members for Saido-JM punched his lights out once I seem to recall.  The impact in my view would be toxic.  This is all before assessing the risks of a further drug or other scandal, the chances of which are pretty high in my view.  So to earlier points, good luck Saido, but whatever you do next it will not be at the Hawthorns please.
Let's not forget when Odemwingie left and he spoke about the clique at the club, I'd assume Morrison was part of that clique
Whilst on about Morisson, it seems that some on here are not keen on "giving Saido another penny" but what exactly have we had for 30k + per week from Morisson in the last 3 years ?
There is far too much emotion when people mention names, if the board feel that a contract would be good business then they will do it....he can obviously play its wether the management team feel he can show application

I asked earlier so I shall ask again, open question

JRod and HRK
JRod and Saido (fit)
Which pair gets the most goals ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on July 07, 2019, 12:22:25 PM
Why do we have posts with provisos and hypotheticals that can have no meaningful and or substantial answer as a result? 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on July 07, 2019, 01:53:38 PM
Firstly, if he didn't get on with the players and staff at the Albion, felt victimised etc., then he had a second chance to put that right at Stoke. But he also failed at Stoke.  Is that because Stoke have higher footballing standards than we do? I think not. Maybe someone somewhere may be able to sort his head out, but I'd rather it wasn't us taking the risk. I'd be happier for him prove himself again somewhere else,  and then maybe reviewing our position.
If he came in now, he could easily disrupt the dressing room and by all accounts we have a decent team spirit as things stand.

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 07, 2019, 04:08:52 PM
Maybe someone somewhere may be able to sort his head out, but I'd rather it wasn't us taking the risk.

If Tony Pulis and his cups of tea chats couldn't sort the lad out, nothing can.

I'm kidding. Though now I think of it, Saido would be about as welcome back here as Pulis. i.e. as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on July 07, 2019, 04:15:28 PM
Nope...I’m serious
Taking in to account that he’s been stupid and that he didn’t leave in a blaze of glory..
To sign him would cost nothing, we are probably still the club he would call “home” and crucially players don’t lose their instinct .....application/attitude/fitness would all need to be worked on , but get him fit and in this league he could be (COULD BE) as good as Gayle

Pay as you play

'Pay as you play'

More like you get paid for the goals you score!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 07, 2019, 05:51:28 PM
Why do we have posts with provisos and hypotheticals that can have no meaningful and or substantial answer as a result?
Forum that invites opinions and open discussion
I respect others opinion whilst not always agreeing with them .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on July 07, 2019, 07:41:47 PM
Forum that invites opinions and open discussion
I respect others opinion whilst not always agreeing with them .

OK, but facts are more relevant

Fact HRK 58 league games 9 goals for Albion
Fact Berahino 27 league games 3 goals for Stoke

Based on fact and not provisos or hypotheticals I’d take HRK

Just my opinion
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 07, 2019, 10:10:21 PM
OK, but facts are more relevant

Fact HRK 58 league games 9 goals for Albion
Fact Berahino 27 league games 3 goals for Stoke

Based on fact and not provisos or hypotheticals I’d take HRK

Just my opinion
And for West Brom 105 games.  23 goals

Stats can be manipulated , I'd guess many would pick him over HRK
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on July 08, 2019, 07:00:21 AM
There is no deal that could be struck that would make we want to take Berahino back. He is simply too far gone if he resurrects his career at Blues or some place else good luck to him but I won't be holding my breath.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on July 08, 2019, 08:07:48 AM
And for West Brom 105 games.  23 goals

Stats can be manipulated , I'd guess many would pick him over HRK

The states I used were more relevant and comparable between two players.

You’re right,  States can be manipulated but are reliable indicators, where as provisos and hypotheticals are in the abstract and meaninglessness
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on July 08, 2019, 09:17:45 AM
Are people joking when they say that we should bring Berahino back?  I mean, we gave him EVERY chance to sort himself out.  It got to the point where Pulis was getting absolute pelters for his 'handling' of him when looking back he was being given chance after chance.  He then went to Stoke and continued the same pattern of behaviour there. 

He's an absolute waster and shouldn't be anywhere near our club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on July 09, 2019, 04:41:05 PM
Looks like some of you have got your wish.

Set to train with us in Spain.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on July 09, 2019, 04:44:34 PM
Where's that news from?  All I see is Brum set to offer him a deal?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on July 09, 2019, 04:46:16 PM
Looks like some of you have got your wish.

Set to train with us in Spain.

Please no!. Are we that desperate. Couldn't score in a brothel!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on July 09, 2019, 04:49:28 PM
Where's that news from?  All I see is Brum set to offer him a deal?

Sky sports reporting it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andio on July 09, 2019, 04:49:48 PM
oh my  ???

What is going on at my club.

Hopefully it's just lazy journalism and if it's true then hopefully we are just helping him with his fitness, which begs the question why should we after the way he treated us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on July 09, 2019, 04:52:52 PM
Sky sports reporting it.

Is there a link to the story mate ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on July 09, 2019, 05:11:26 PM
Looking into more on twitter now looks like some little 12 year old has edited the West Ham Maxi Gomez link.

May not be true after all, thank god.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on July 28, 2019, 09:06:53 AM
Saido Berahino set to play for Ligue 1 side Nimes against Toulouse in friendly as striker waits for Stoke departure to be finalised

Still a Stoke player by the looks, lucky them!

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7292919/Saido-Berahino-set-play-Ligue-1-Nimes-against-Toulouse-friendly.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kc56wba on August 07, 2019, 05:07:24 PM
BERAHINO LEAVES STOKE

Saido Berahino has left Stoke City by mutual consent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 07, 2019, 05:24:31 PM
BERAHINO LEAVES STOKE

Saido Berahino has left Stoke City by mutual consent.

They were expensive goals for Stoke, about £4m each I believe.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on August 07, 2019, 09:22:27 PM
They were expensive goals for Stoke, about £4m each I believe.
Still cheap compared to Ollie Burke, which I calculate at about £15million a goal!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kie the baggie on August 07, 2019, 09:29:12 PM
Still cheap compared to Ollie Burke, which I calculate at about £15million a goal!
Burke will get a few this year
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 07, 2019, 09:29:50 PM
Still cheap compared to Ollie Burke, which I calculate at about £15million a goal!

Hahaha, good point  :D

But he still has time with us, unlike Berahino with Stoke
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 08, 2019, 12:15:18 AM
BERAHINO LEAVES STOKE

Saido Berahino has left Stoke City by mutual consent.

An expansive press release covering the impact he made there.

I can't help but think they went over the top a little with their praise of him though.

Shakes head to self.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BalisPen on August 08, 2019, 01:09:58 AM
Burke will get a few this year

A Few boos?

I hope Stoke had to pay up his whole contract, as that will take a lot of their budget if the £75k a week rumour was true.

The fact that he was rumoured to have been sacked after his court case but has only now actually left means he was negotiating that massive pay off.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 08, 2019, 06:51:35 AM
Still cheap compared to Ollie Burke, which I calculate at about £15million a goal!

Maybe we can ship Burke out to Stoke, they do seem to be our dumping ground of late.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 08, 2019, 09:00:07 AM
Absolute waster.

If he ends up back here in any capacity I'll be really annoyed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 08, 2019, 09:16:43 AM
Absolute waster.

If he ends up back here in any capacity I'll be really annoyed.

Unless he's got a mop and bucket
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KN22 on August 08, 2019, 09:29:17 AM
No way is he returning to us
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on August 08, 2019, 10:03:41 AM
He would not want to come back to us, given the manner of his departure.  Personally hope he can get his career and life back on track. He could have been marvellous for us, but those days are long gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 08, 2019, 10:18:54 AM
Can see him being interviewed by a want to be 'journalist' on You Tube at some point regaling how Jeremy Peace ruined his career. I'd be amazed if he ever truly accepts the role he's played in his own demise. 'It wasn't me' and 'If only', blah blah blah........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on August 08, 2019, 11:07:59 AM
Glenn Johnson absolutely slated Berahino on TalkSport.  Terrible attitude during his time at Stoke. Literally nothing good to say about him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KN22 on August 08, 2019, 11:11:55 AM
He would not want to come back to us, given the manner of his departure.  Personally hope he can get his career and life back on track. He could have been marvellous for us, but those days are long gone.

For me, and I know some will disagree, he never showed anything but raw potential and that has long disappeared.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 08, 2019, 11:26:39 AM
To think, he scored more goals for England U21's than Harry Kane. We will never know how good he could have been and there's only one person in the farme for that!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BalisPen on August 08, 2019, 11:35:37 AM
To think, he scored more goals for England U21's than Harry Kane. We will never know how good he could have been and there's only one person in the farme for that!

His ex team mate glenn Johnson just slaughtered him on talksport. One story was that his actions had got all the team in for training on a day off and on that day all the players went in but Saido phoned in sick.

Footballers have this code same as managers where they never criticise each other so this roasting is rare and explains why he has been abroad looking for his next payday.

I doubt anyone will touch him here.

All such a shame as I was so happy when one of ours was on the England bench and remember being p issued off when Roy didn't bring him on.

Also a shame we didn't take the £23m from Newcastle, but I suppose £12m is better than nowt and definitely better than Stoke having to pay off his contract in full.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on August 08, 2019, 11:42:05 AM
Horrible, arrogant little nerk, already got more out of the game than he deserves. Hope he never gets paid for kicking a ball ever again and ends up a bald, bloated, drunk lamenting what could have been.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 08, 2019, 11:42:51 AM
Simon Jordan just been on calling him and i quote 'a toxic runt'

seems everyone is laying into him today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on August 08, 2019, 12:00:13 PM
I remember at the time the pasting Pulis took from fans for not treating Berahino better.  Turns out he gave him every chance, and probably too many chances if anything.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: phbaggies on August 08, 2019, 12:08:41 PM
Simon Jordan just been on calling him and i quote 'a toxic runt'

seems everyone is laying into him today.
Runt? Is that cockney rhyming slang for what he actually is??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 08, 2019, 12:41:54 PM
He's made for life.

There is no punishment here.

He will never play football again.

Whoopy do - he's made his millions.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KN22 on August 08, 2019, 12:44:18 PM
He's made for life.

There is no punishment here.

He will never play football again.

Whoopy do - he's made his millions.

This is so true. There can be few better examples of what is wrong with our game than what you point out in your post.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 08, 2019, 01:01:28 PM
He's made for life.

There is no punishment here.

He will never play football again.

Whoopy do - he's made his millions.

It's going to be interesting to see how long he holds onto those millions, especially if his multiple dick dips keep shelling kids like peas.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dynamo10 on August 08, 2019, 01:03:11 PM
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1159422830691475469 - for those who haven't listened to it yet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 08, 2019, 01:16:48 PM
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1159422830691475469 - for those who haven't listened to it yet.

Missed it earlier so thanks for that. Ouch. I'm told Simon Jordan had a pop at him too. Professional footballers rarely slate each other to that degree. Not a very popular chap.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 08, 2019, 01:19:08 PM
It's going to be interesting to see how long he holds onto those millions, especially if his multiple dick dips keep shelling kids like peas.

I feel like I've developed a lisp after reading this  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: phbaggies on August 08, 2019, 02:34:28 PM
Been offered a contract at Belgium club Zulte Waregem according to Talksport, he was on trial there last month
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 08, 2019, 02:35:22 PM
I think that child maintenance and his hangers on will soon whittle down the millions he has.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on August 08, 2019, 04:31:17 PM
He's made for life.

There is no punishment here.

He will never play football again.

Whoopy do - he's made his millions.

He will blow it all.
https://www.google.com/search?ei=hD9MXb_0B8iU8gKoopL4BQ&q=percentage+of+pro+athletes+that+go+broke&oq=percentage+of+pro+athl&gs_l=psy-ab.3.1.0l4j0i22i30l6.73668.77015..80072...0.0..0.135.1521.21j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i273j0i131j0i131i273j0i67.38_UCvRWGQk (https://www.google.com/search?ei=hD9MXb_0B8iU8gKoopL4BQ&q=percentage+of+pro+athletes+that+go+broke&oq=percentage+of+pro+athl&gs_l=psy-ab.3.1.0l4j0i22i30l6.73668.77015..80072...0.0..0.135.1521.21j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i273j0i131j0i131i273j0i67.38_UCvRWGQk)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2019, 04:41:36 PM
He'll get a club, short term deal until Christmas possibly somewhere like Blues
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on August 08, 2019, 04:50:09 PM
Signing for a club in Belgium isn’t he?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2019, 04:52:10 PM
Signing for a club in Belgium isn’t he?

He's been training with one, had a trial at a French club Nimes I think but they passed on him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 08, 2019, 06:32:46 PM
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1159422830691475469 - for those who haven't listened to it yet.

Ravel Morrison has accused Glen Johnson of trying to ruin Berahino’s career in his TalkSport interview, three things

1. He doesn’t need any help in that field
2. Johnson gave honest answers to questions he was asked about Berahino during their time together at Stoke.
3. refer to 1. above and repeat
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 08, 2019, 06:35:47 PM
His ex team mate glenn Johnson just slaughtered him on talksport. One story was that his actions had got all the team in for training on a day off and on that day all the players went in but Saido phoned in sick.

Footballers have this code same as managers where they never criticise each other so this roasting is rare and explains why he has been abroad looking for his next payday.

I doubt anyone will touch him here.

All such a shame as I was so happy when one of ours was on the England bench and remember being p issued off when Roy didn't bring him on.

Also a shame we didn't take the £23m from Newcastle, but I suppose £12m is better than nowt and definitely better than Stoke having to pay off his contract in full.

Didn't get £12m though did we?
All structured on goals and apperances.
We have no chance of seeing the balance now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2019, 06:37:45 PM
Ravel Morrison has accused Glen Johnson of trying to ruin Berahino’s career in his TalkSport interview, three things

1. He doesn’t need any help in that field
2. Johnson gave honest answers to questions he was asked about Berahino during their time together at Stoke.
3. refer to 1. above and repeat

One player who has acted the dick throughout his career sticking up for another player who has acted the dick in his career against a player who in the main has been a model pro (apart from his B&Q incident  :o :D )
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 08, 2019, 11:31:38 PM
Way back when he trashed his hotel room while on loan at Brentford in 2012 and was sent back to the club Roy Hodgson wanted to sack him. Ashdown did not want to throw away a talented yet wayward youngster. Ashdown's view prevailed and the fee Albion eventually received to some extent justified that stance.

Unfortunately I think that proved to Berahino that no matter how bad his behaviour a club will always indulge him to either protect their investment or secure his talent. Until his behaviour finally prompted Stoke to act it has held true for the better part of a decade. Although even here another club has stepped in to offer him a deal albeit at a much lower level.

The story might have been different had we sacked him it might not have been but I have always felt that was a turning point.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on August 08, 2019, 11:48:20 PM
The psychology behind his behaviour is interesting, it’s the old adage are some people just born that way or is it learnt behaviour. I have 3 young kids and they are so different in many ways and respond differently to success and failure. The truth of the matter for me is he just behaves like a k**b and we as fans who would give our left bits to have had his opportunity dislike him more for the wasted opportunity.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PDB on August 09, 2019, 11:11:28 AM
Signed by Belgium club Zulte - he is their problem now  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 09, 2019, 11:14:27 AM
Way back when he trashed his hotel room while on loan at Brentford in 2012 and was sent back to the club Roy Hodgson wanted to sack him. Ashdown did not want to throw away a talented yet wayward youngster. Ashdown's view prevailed and the fee Albion eventually received to some extent justified that stance.

Unfortunately I think that proved to Berahino that no matter how bad his behaviour a club will always indulge him to either protect their investment or secure his talent. Until his behaviour finally prompted Stoke to act it has held true for the better part of a decade. Although even here another club has stepped in to offer him a deal albeit at a much lower level.

The story might have been different had we sacked him it might not have been but I have always felt that was a turning point.

Not sure what Paddy has to do with our affairs  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 09, 2019, 11:34:39 AM
Not sure what Paddy has to do with our affairs  ;D

Some people will blame politicians for anything. Bit harsh in this case considering he never worked at the Albion and he's been dead since December 2018 but never mind  ;D .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 09, 2019, 11:52:10 AM
Signed by Belgium club Zulte - he is their problem now  :o

Good luck with that.

New town, new country, fresh flesh...... what could possibly go wrong????
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 09, 2019, 11:58:58 AM
Is his UK driving ban enforceable in Belgium, hic, hic!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 09, 2019, 12:04:45 PM
Is his UK driving ban enforceable in Belgium, hic, hic!

Pretty sure UK driving bans remain enforceable across Europe for the whole of their UK duration.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 09, 2019, 01:04:09 PM
interesting that the types of players that are defending Berahino / critising Johnson's comments yesterday are all players that themselves have been problems for clubs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 09, 2019, 01:28:24 PM
Pretty sure UK driving bans remain enforceable across Europe for the whole of their UK duration.

You are right Dan.

www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/Do-UK-driving-bans-apply-abroad/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on August 09, 2019, 01:31:51 PM
Good luck with that.

New town, new country, fresh flesh...... what could possibly go wrong????

I bet his entourage of 'friends' are already on their way over to him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 09, 2019, 01:42:48 PM
The Oatcake is pretty damning reading regarding Berahino  :o

We did tell them though, not the same player that first burst onto the scene

I said it when he went, he will drop down the leagues

Dont want to say i told you so....BUT....I told you so  8) ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 09, 2019, 01:47:07 PM
I bet his entourage of 'friends' are already on their way over to him.

Oh yes.

Reminds me of Mike Tyson. When he had money his entourage was enormous, but they soon left when the money dried up. His biography is a great read actually...…

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 09, 2019, 01:50:43 PM
Oh yes.

Reminds me of Mike Tyson. When he had money his entourage was enormous, but they soon left when the money dried up. His biography is a great read actually...…

its just a question of who will fleece him first, the hangers on or child maintenance
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on August 09, 2019, 01:54:32 PM
its just a question of who will fleece him first, the hangers on or child maintenance

Im going with his drug dealer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on August 09, 2019, 01:57:09 PM
Glen Johnson - 8 August 2019

“If you were on the bench or not in the matchday squad, you’d have to run after the game. Of course, no players liked doing it because they’re angry at not playing in the first place and you may be running at 10.30pm, but they were the rules and everyone did it, but Saido would jog.

Say we had a day off the following Sunday [after a match], because Saido didn’t run, everybody had to come in on that day – even those who played.

So what happens on Sunday is we turn up for training, Saido phones in sick and there was uproar. Where do you go from that? There was total disrespect and that’s what he was like on a daily basis and the fact they paid [up his contract] with three years left to go says it all.”


WOW  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 10, 2019, 09:23:54 PM
Scored on his debut for Zulte Waregem in a 2-0 win
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 11, 2019, 01:25:20 AM
Scored on his debut for Zulte Waregem in a 2-0 win
Cue not turning up for training next week.  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on August 11, 2019, 07:39:58 AM
Scored on his debut for Zulte Waregem in a 2-0 win

Reported to have scored with a few ladies and sellers on his debut as well  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on August 11, 2019, 05:06:22 PM
Glen Johnson talking about banbino in a brutally honest fashion, unbelievable what he got up to.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/berahino-west-brom-stoke-city-16736910
The squirt scored today for his new club a case of  last chance saloon I reckon.
First posted this on ex players so apologies for repeating what someone else has posted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jimmyj on August 13, 2019, 10:42:24 AM
The over-riding feeling I get when considering the Berahino saga is one of sadness and disappointment, rather than anger and annoyance.

This isn't a defense of Saido bytheby. I'm fairly sure he's an individual that I wouldn't really want to spend time with, and I am of the opinion that he had so many chances and a huge amount of special treatment from us, to try and keep him onside.

The juncture where I think it went wrong, is that bid from spurs on deadline day back in 2015 (God almighty, that long ago). We obviously knocked it back as it was too late in the day, and structured awfully. Saido had a choice then. Either accept the situation for what it was, or be a dick about it. We all know what he did.

I remember saying to my Dad at the time, that if he got his head down, had another season like the one just gone, it wouldn't be Spurs that came knocking for him, it would be Man Utd, or Chelsea or the like.

For me, Daniel Levy has to shoulder some blame here for disrupting and distracting a player. Saido himself, obviously has to take most of the blame for where he's ended up and how. That Spurs bid was a real "sliding doors" moment for his career.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on August 13, 2019, 11:20:16 AM
The over-riding feeling I get when considering the Berahino saga is one of sadness and disappointment, rather than anger and annoyance.

This isn't a defense of Saido bytheby. I'm fairly sure he's an individual that I wouldn't really want to spend time with, and I am of the opinion that he had so many chances and a huge amount of special treatment from us, to try and keep him onside.

The juncture where I think it went wrong, is that bid from spurs on deadline day back in 2015 (God almighty, that long ago). We obviously knocked it back as it was too late in the day, and structured awfully. Saido had a choice then. Either accept the situation for what it was, or be a dick about it. We all know what he did.

I remember saying to my Dad at the time, that if he got his head down, had another season like the one just gone, it wouldn't be Spurs that came knocking for him, it would be Man Utd, or Chelsea or the like.

For me, Daniel Levy has to shoulder some blame here for disrupting and distracting a player. Saido himself, obviously has to take most of the blame for where he's ended up and how. That Spurs bid was a real "sliding doors" moment for his career.

Cannot help but think his agent had a fair bit to do with it as well by 'bigging' Saido up to the point Saido believed it.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: darbolina on August 13, 2019, 11:52:12 AM
The initial period after the Tottenham saga you can have some sympathy for him perhaps but over time, with his apparent drug use, speeding, dis-interested attitude the only person to blame is himself.

He only really looked a decent player for 10 games or so really when he first broke into the team and he lived off that for a couple of years.

I guess he's a millionaire so probably isn't too bothered either way now.........not sure he could ever (mentally) be good enough for the top two divisions now? He may even fail to get a contract at all ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 13, 2019, 12:18:01 PM
For me, Daniel Levy has to shoulder some blame here for disrupting and distracting a player. Saido himself, obviously has to take most of the blame for where he's ended up and how. That Spurs bid was a real "sliding doors" moment for his career.

I think its very unfair to portion any blame towards Daniel Levy.

Lets face it - Berahino had a lot of baggage prior to any rumoured interest from Spurs.

The derisory bids from Spurs should not be used to cover for this total waste of space.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KN22 on August 13, 2019, 12:54:54 PM
The initial period after the Tottenham saga you can have some sympathy for him perhaps but over time, with his apparent drug use, speeding, dis-interested attitude the only person to blame is himself.

He only really looked a decent player for 10 games or so really when he first broke into the team and he lived off that for a couple of years.

I guess he's a millionaire so probably isn't too bothered either way now.........not sure he could ever (mentally) be good enough for the top two divisions now? He may even fail to get a contract at all ?

You have hit the nail squarely on the head there Darbolina. Think back and ask yourself honestly, did he ever look like a top player?? I don't think he did personally and could never quite understand how a so called top player couldn't even head a ball correctly! We did extremely well to get what we did from Stoke. Had we agreed to the Tottenham deal however,  we would have really hit the jackpot based on what has happened since
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 14, 2019, 01:19:15 AM
Levy was right. Talented but wayward hence the low offers which were heavily weighted on future sucess. After 2 indifferent seasons and a rapidly expiring contract we were very lucky to get what we got from Stoke. Truth is at any point Berahino could have easily gone off the rails and whoever was his club at the time would be in the same situation as Stoke found themselves.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on August 19, 2019, 08:41:20 PM
Just scored again for Waregem 2 in 2
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 20, 2019, 10:51:41 AM
Interestingly (for me at least) Berahino's almost eight years older than his new club. SV Zulte Waregem were founded on July 1st 2001. Saido Berahino established a foothold on this spinning chunk of rock and dust on August 4th 1993. Weird to think that my nineteen year old son is older than the side Berahino now represents, especially given the heritage of the club where he started. Football, a game of ongoing contrasts and perspectives. Twisting my melon man, a 'day' late but never mind.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5HhwecdCQw
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: phbaggies on August 20, 2019, 04:20:33 PM
Berahino 2 in 2 games in Belgium, point to prove? or found his level?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on August 20, 2019, 04:37:40 PM
Berahino 2 in 2 games in Belgium, point to prove? or found his level?
There is no level that deserves this tagnut. He doesn't deserve to earn a living from a game he disrespects so much.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on August 20, 2019, 07:31:44 PM
Potentially a move to to Europe could help him, potentially away from the 'hangers on' etc.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KN22 on August 20, 2019, 11:00:28 PM
There is no level that deserves this tagnut. He doesn't deserve to earn a living from a game he disrespects so much.

Seconded
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on August 21, 2019, 12:44:54 AM
Cant we just close this topic and include him in the ex player thread if need be, would be nice if he was just a distant memory
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 21, 2019, 02:00:33 PM
Cant we just close this topic and include him in the ex player thread if need be, would be nice if he was just a distant memory

No it won't be closed, the ex players thread is purely for news of where ex players have moved to, it is not for constant updates on who scores where, that has been made clear numerous times.

If you or others are not interested in a topic then you have the choice to ignore it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on August 21, 2019, 02:27:21 PM
I saw a small article or comment somewhere that was saying the manager of Zwolte is known for his tough approach, and for getting players like Thorgan Hazard (Eden's brother) on the straight and narrow. Will be interesting to see how it plays out for Saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: vrabbit on September 09, 2019, 08:09:57 PM
I saw a small article or comment somewhere that was saying the manager of Zwolte is known for his tough approach, and for getting players like Thorgan Hazard (Eden's brother) on the straight and narrow. Will be interesting to see how it plays out for Saido

3 goals in 4 games (all starts) over in Belgium so far
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 10, 2019, 09:29:16 AM
I saw a small article or comment somewhere that was saying the manager of Zwolte is known for his tough approach, and for getting players like Thorgan Hazard (Eden's brother) on the straight and narrow. Will be interesting to see how it plays out for Saido

There was an article in Brummie Mail with quotes from his new manager saying how pleased he is with Berahino, his ability, his attitude everything. Maybe the penny has finally dropped.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/saido-berahinos-new-coach-said-16794527
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 10, 2019, 09:34:45 AM

I always thought his hangers on were the problem, moving abroad has hopefully put the distance between him and them and solved the problem. I wish him the best of luck in turning his life around.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KN22 on September 10, 2019, 12:48:10 PM
There was an article in Brummie Mail with quotes from his new manager saying how pleased he is with Berahino, his ability, his attitude everything. Maybe the penny has finally dropped.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/saido-berahinos-new-coach-said-16794527

Maybe..... but somehow I doubt it!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 11, 2019, 07:10:31 PM
I always thought his hangers on were the problem, moving abroad has hopefully put the distance between him and them and solved the problem. I wish him the best of luck in turning his life around.

Would be nice wouldn't it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Pie on October 08, 2019, 03:07:50 PM
Seen on facebook: An arrest warrant has been issued for Saido Berahino after the forward didn't turn up to his court hearing and failed to pay his £75,000 drink driving fine.

also in the mirror: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/saido-berahino-issued-arrest-warrant-20537931

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Oldbury_Baggie on October 08, 2019, 04:20:00 PM
Berahino not returning to the UK anytime soon unless he wants to be arrested on arrival.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-west-brom-striker-saido-17052423
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on October 29, 2019, 06:45:49 PM
'Never forget' - Sadio Berahino jokes about James Morrison 'sucker punch' after midfielder retires

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/never-forget-sadio-berahino-jokes-17168272

In all fairness, it should read “sucker punches” plural!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on October 31, 2019, 08:14:56 AM
'Never forget'.........

Don't worry Saido, we won't be forgetting that he dropped you any time soon  ;) .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on December 24, 2019, 05:16:48 PM
Ex-West Brom forward Saido Berahino eyes England return

I mean, who would actually pay good money for him and to him?

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ex-west-brom-forward-saido-17471119
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on December 24, 2019, 05:34:53 PM
Deluded as ever. Can't see much of a queue forming any time soon to welcome him back.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on December 27, 2019, 11:14:16 AM
........Can't see much of a queue forming any time soon to welcome him back.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. There's a number of single moms out there who I'd imagine would be quite keen to see the inside of his bank account.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on January 20, 2020, 06:21:43 PM
Article in The Athletic.

"At 26, Saido Berahino should be an England international and Premier League star — so why did it all go wrong? "

Now, where do we begin and how long have you got  8)

If anyone has a subscription to The Athlete, I'm sure a few of us would read Steve Madeley's article with interest if it were posted
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Seagy on January 20, 2020, 06:46:46 PM
As a youngster first establishing himself in the West Bromwich Albion dressing room, Saido Berahino was so determined to get changed between Nicolas Anelka and Youssouf Mulumbu — two fellow French-speaking team-mates that he respected greatly — that he had his kit moved to a spot where no bench was in place.

Instead, according to multiple dressing room sources, he took to perching on a narrow ledge just to be alongside his favourite team-mates. It’s a simple little story that paints a picture of a young man desperate to be a top striker like Anelka and the others he had looked up to as a kid.

Yet former colleagues recall an introverted, aloof character who, despite routinely being friendly and respectful, never succeeded in forming close bonds with his team-mates.

“There are two Saidos,” one says with an air of sadness. “There’s a really nice lad and there’s a selfish prick — and they’re always fighting against one another. He has done my head in but I can’t hate him.”

It is a familiar refrain when chatting to footballers, coaches and staff who have worked with Berahino. However many times the former West Bromwich Albion and Stoke City striker drives friends and work-mates to distraction, they still see a glimmer of the polite, talented, happy-go-lucky kid who charmed them as a teenager.

Such is the contradiction within Berahino’s personality between the engaging and the obnoxious that some of the people he has let down most refuse to write him off.

“I worked with him with West Brom and England Under-21s and he was a really good player,” says Dan Ashworth, who was one of Berahino’s first youth-team coaches at The Hawthorns and had become sporting and technical director by the time trouble began to strike.

“I never had any bother with him. There were a couple of minor incidents that I would have had with a lot of different players. He is a talented boy who is doing really well in Belgium now and I’m delighted to see that.

“Whatever happened later at West Brom or at Stoke, I wasn’t there so I can’t comment. I can only comment on his time with England and as a young player at West Brom, and he’s a good person and a good player who got distracted a couple of times, but no differently to a lot of young players.”

When Berahino first arrived in England he needed “a lot of help with a lot of things” says one of the Albion coaches who first encountered him as a 12-year-old refugee from Burundi.

His route to Birmingham had been harrowing. His father had been killed in the 12-year Burundian civil war and his mother, Liliane, had fled to England to make a new home for her family.

A young Saido was cared for by relatives in Burundi before being sent alone on a plane to London, where he was initially detained by immigration authorities until his identity could be verified and a reunion with Liliane could be arranged. After a brief spell in London, they set up home in Birmingham.

His father’s death is not a subject Berahino speaks about publicly nor, it seems, even privately with coaches he worked with closely at West Brom.

“Whatever people want to think or judge him on, there aren’t many people in this world who have had a similar experience as a 12 or 13-year-old boy,” one told The Athletic. “So it annoys me that people are very opinionated and that people are so quick to judge someone they know nothing about.”

Mark Harrison, Albion’s long-time academy manager and a mentor of Berahino, told the Birmingham Mail in 2016: “I’m not making excuses for him but if you have been through that what are the emotional long-term scars?

“What people don’t report is that on Monday afternoon he asked Darren Moore to stay out and do extra training with him. People don’t hear about that.

“When he came here as an 11-year-old he wasn’t a bad finisher… but, I tell you what, he hasn’t half worked at it as well.”

Berahino attended Aston Manor School alongside fellow sporting talents like Ateeq Javid and Recordo Gordon, both of whom went on to play first-class cricket for Warwickshire.

He lived with his mother in Aston, in the shadow of Villa Park, yet his talent took him to Albion, courtesy of a link between Phoenix United, his youth team, and Steve Hopcroft, Albion’s academy’s head of recruitment.

He quickly became the standout star of a talented age group that included Romaine Sawyers, Albion’s current midfielder, Chris Wood, the Burnley striker, and Kemar Roofe, the former Leeds forward.

The academy established by Ashworth and Aidy Boothroyd recruited some talented players born in the early 1990s but Berahino was always the one for whom big things were predicted.

After scoring prolifically for Albion’s youth teams and becoming a fixture in England’s age-group squads, he seemed ready for first-team football.

Things started well for Berahino at Brentford. He scored six goals in 14 League Two games for Northampton earlier in the 2011-12 season before Albion decided he was ready to step up to League One.


Berahino in action during his loan at Northampton Town (Photo: Pete Norton/Getty Images)
He made a positive early impression at Griffin Park both with his skill and his attitude.

But Berahino’s approach to training and his conduct at the club soon began to rile his colleagues while a rant on Twitter, about his substitution at half-time in a defeat at Leyton Orient in March 2012, led to a clash with his manager Uwe Rosler.

Rosler said that Berahino’s Twitter comments had been “addressed” and he was dropped for Brentford’s subsequent game against Bournemouth before returning for one more appearance in a 2-0 home win against Rochdale — but, by then, the Brentford dressing room had made its feelings clear.

Senior players told club officials they could not tolerate Berahino anymore. For Albion, the final straw came in the west London hotel room they had provided for Berahino, where the player’s habit of courting unnecessary trouble manifested itself most clearly.

Brentford heard several reports of parties but one ended with the room left in such a mess that cleaning staff reported back to their bosses.

Albion recalled Berahino, fined him, read him the riot act and privately admonished themselves for sending him to a club where he was subjected to the distractions of London. He left Griffin Park with an promising record of four goals in eight games but with a reputation for trouble already established on football’s fevered grapevine.

Albion already feared the worst for their rough diamond yet his talent was so special that they resolved to persist with smoothing out the edges. When Steve Clarke succeeded Roy Hodgson as manager in the summer of 2012, the Scot quickly took a shine to Berahino.

A six-minute debut in the EFL Cup in August 2012 soon after his 19th birthday was followed by a successful loan spell at Peterborough that brought two goals in 10 Championship appearances.

A year after being blown away by Berahino’s talent, Clarke was ready to unleash him on the Premier League.

Hardcore Albion fans already knew all about Berahino. They had watched him shine for the youth team and the under-21s, heard about his exploits in an England shirt and read a little about his troubles at Brentford. They knew he was the player who Albion hoped would be the first clear success for an academy that was set up long after those of local neighbours Wolves and Aston Villa but which had made great strides in playing catch-up.

But he announced himself to the wider public in his full debut for the club in August 2013. He scored a hat-trick in the first 38 minutes as Newport County were dumped out of the EFL Cup and the clamour began for a Premier League chance.

With Romelu Lukaku having departed that summer and Shane Long struggling for form, Albion needed a goalscorer. Another EFL Cup goal in a 1-1 draw against Arsenal on September 25 — Albion went out on penalties — was followed three days later by a fairytale, breakout moment at Old Trafford.

After replacing an injured Scott Sinclair on 13 minutes, Berahino displayed the movement and finishing that had seen coaches compare him to a young Jermain Defoe.

He scored the decisive goal in a famous 2-1 victory and Albion fans were about to see a whole lot more of “the two Saidos”.

“Maybe we let him down,” says James Morrison, who had a front-row seat for the whole of Berahino’s Albion career, from his explosive emergence on the first-team scene, through his angry reaction to the collapse of his move to Tottenham, to his infamous failed drugs test and subsequent departure to Stoke.

Morrison’s words now are tinged not with anger, but with sadness and regret.

“I think ‘frustrating’ is the word to sum him up because he had such a high and then such a low,” says Morrison. “But maybe we let him down.

“Having that Tottenham move rejected obviously affected him and as a club we maybe could have helped him more. We don’t know what goes on with people but that obviously affected him.

“He’d worked his way up and was scoring goals in the Premier League and that chance came for him to go to Tottenham and play Champions League football. I think most players would be disappointed and as a footballer you could see his frustration. I don’t think he ever got over that.”

Well before the angry incidents of September 1, 2015, when the Albion chairman Jeremy Peace refused to sign off on a transfer to White Hart Lane and Berahino took to Twitter to suggest he would never play for the chairman again, colleagues had spotted a concerning trait in Berahino’s make-up that meant he was easily distracted and knocked off course by a little success or a minor setback.

In a tweet that he subsequently deleted, the striker wrote: “Sad how I can’t say exactly how the club has treated me but I can officially say I will never play Jeremy Peace.”

Saido Berahino, tweet

In December 2013, Berahino signed a new three-and-a-half-year contract, replacing the £850-a-week deal he had penned when he first turned professional with a £12,000-a-week pay packet following months of negotiations.

Parking spaces at the training ground are numbered to correspond to players’ shirts, meaning under his previous financial package, Berahino would park his white Volkswagen Scirocco in bay 38, next to the Rolls Royce Phantom or Ferrari belonging to Nicolas Anelka that would sit in space 39. Now he could feel on a par with a player he had looked up to for so long and eventually, more expensive cars replaced his humble VW.

But several senior players’ displeasure about a change in Berahino’s attitude to training later that season culminated in the infamous spat with Morrison in the wake of a 3-3 home draw with Cardiff.

Berahino failed to keep the ball in the corner with his side 3-2 ahead, the Welsh side broke and equalised, leading to tempers boiling over in the immediate aftermath. Morrison and Berahino never had personal issues but other squad members maintain that, had the midfielder not lost his cool, someone else would have done.

Still, Berahino’s progress on the field was impressive on the whole and Albion’s established players recognised a team-mate with the talent to help them prosper in the Premier League.

Five goals came in 11 league starts in the 2013-14 season despite the sacking of Clarke and the chaotic reign of Pepe Mel.

The following season brought Berahino’s best form in an Albion shirt under Alan Irvine and his high standards continued under Tony Pulis.

He ended the season with 14 league goals from 32 starts as well as five in four in the FA Cup.


Berahino scores against Burnley in the 2014-15 season (Photo: Stu Forster/Getty Images)
He was called up by England, too, but did not get on the pitch in the one competitive match and one friendly for which he was in the squad.

The Athletic understands that both Albion and Roy Hodgson, their former manager who was by then in charge of the national team, had serious reservations about handing him a call-up.

Hodgson had been warned of Berahino’s behaviour during his time at the club. Irvine, meanwhile, had been successful in coaxing impressive displays and a dedicated approach from an unpredictable player and was concerned that international recognition might disrupt that balance.

He and Hodgson discussed the pitfalls and largely agreed but eventually the clamour to reward Berahino’s form proved too much for the England boss.

It seemed to be Berahino’s destiny. He had been viewed as a better prospect than Harry Kane when the pair were team-mates for Gareth Southgate’s under-21s. But while Kane would thrive at Spurs, the club who would soon blow Berahino off course.

Manchester United lodged an interest in signing Berahino but it was Tottenham who made a concrete move in the summer of 2015.

It came to a head on transfer deadline day with an offer potentially worth up to £22.5 million, but divided into instalments and including a high proportion of performance-related payments.

Some inside Albion suspected Daniel Levy, Spurs’ famously cautious chairman, had structured his bid to reflect his personal unease at signing Berahino despite manager Mauricio Pochettino pushing hard for a deal. By now, word was out on the downsides of Berahino’s complex character.

Peace stood firm, Berahino lost his head and Albion saw little of ‘Happy Saido’ from that moment on. ‘Stroppy Saido’ was back, and was there to stay.

“Saido struck me as somebody who really wanted to be loved by everyone but pretty much repelled everyone with his behaviour,” says one former colleague who saw Berahino close up after his Tottenham-related tweets.

Senior figures at The Hawthorns have often compared Berahino to John Stones, his former England Under-21s team-mate, and cited their contrasting behaviour in 2015-16 as an example of Berahino failing to help himself.

Stones was denied a lucrative move from Everton to Manchester City in the same transfer window but made the switch a year later following another impressive, dedicated campaign at Goodison Park.

Albion officials believe Berahino could have charted a similar path to the big time, but instead imploded.

Senior players once more offered words of advice. Work hard and continue scoring and another big move would eventually happen, they assured him. Albion offered him a new four-year contract, to both protect their bargaining position and reflect his growing status as a player with Premier League pedigree, and Pulis took Berahino and his mother to dinner as part of a concerted effort to understand the striker better.

Their plans did not work. Berahino had already been handed the first of two drink-driving convictions in January 2015 and in September came a game at Crystal Palace that further alienated team-mates.

Having been substituted by Pulis at half-time with the game goalless, Berahino put on his headphones during a half-time team-talk and left the stadium during the second half as his colleagues lost 2-0.

There were happy periods, too, when Berahino would emerge from a heart-to-heart with Pulis and redouble his efforts for a while, but there were too many cases of minor distractions derailing his efforts.

Once, when a three-sentence tabloid story linked him with interest from Manchester United, colleagues became tired of him bringing it up in conversation. There were incidents that amused his team-mates, as Gareth McAuley told The Athletic last year, like his trip around the training ground corridors on a hoverboard or the occasional visits from his dog.

But when a lack of focus affected his fitness and his attitude to training, it drove them to despair.

He knuckled down again later in the season and once more gave hope to colleagues that the likeable young lad they had previously known might return.

Yet at the start of the following season came a failed test for a recreational drug and an eight-week ban that did not become public until after his departure for Stoke. Pulis attempted to take the heat off the striker by sending him for intensive training at a French fitness camp.

Then, in January 2017, more than 10 months after his last Premier League goal, Berahino swapped The Hawthorns for Stoke.

He left behind a mixture of disbelief that Albion had recouped £12 million for a player viewed by many as damaged goods and sadness that a talent nurtured and developed by West Brom had been lost to the club.


Welcome to Stoke: Berahino completes his £12m move (Photo: Laurence Griffiths/Getty Images)
“We see a good kid, joking, having banter and working hard, and the other side of it is what he gets the headlines for, which is a bit of a shame to see,” says Morrison.

“I can sympathise with him not getting his move and everyone could see he was a good kid. really. If he was struggling we could maybe have helped him. We don’t know what he was going through.

“But it’s football and you’ve got one vision, which is to look after ourselves on the pitch and know what we’re going to do.

“It’s a tough game and you live in that bubble of looking forward to the next game because if you’re not it there will be consequences. I think a few people tried to talk to him but he was hugely disappointed that he didn’t get his Tottenham move.

“When he knuckled down he knuckled down but I don’t think he ever kept it going.

“I can always remember Darren Fletcher saying people at Manchester United were ringing and asking about him. He could definitely have gone on and been a top-eight player.

“I think Tottenham would have been perfect for him. I think he would have kicked on under Pochettino and with the Champions League, they are playing two games a week and you’ve got no time to think. That would probably have been a blessing for him and taken away other distractions.”

Berahino’s first public act as a Stoke player was to infuriate former colleagues at The Hawthorns.

At a press conference to unveil him in the Potteries, Berahino criticised Albion’s handling of the final months of his Hawthorns career.

“They never actually told me why I wasn’t playing,” he told reporters. “It could be because I didn’t sign a new contract.”

Yet the majority of Berahino’s first-team exile could be explained by his eight-week drugs ban. At the club who had gone to extraordinary lengths to comply with FA guidelines and honour their own loyalty to a player by keeping his embarrassment secret, there was dismay at the comments.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on January 20, 2020, 06:47:01 PM
Until he gets rid of his super sized ego he will never get anywhere.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Seagy on January 20, 2020, 06:48:06 PM
At Stoke, however, new team-mates got a brief sighting of the charming side of Berahino that had engendered ongoing loyalty at Albion. He was polite, charming and hard-working. Once again, though, the other side of Saido did not take long to make an appearance.

As Stoke hurtled towards relegation under Mark Hughes, Berahino was among a group of training-ground mavericks who angered team-mates with their antics.

In the aftermath, former England defender Glen Johnson used an appearance on Talksport to let rip.

“He had the wrong mentality and attitude from day one and for whatever reason, when he was at Stoke, he was going against the grain,” Johnson told the station.

“If we were told to be somewhere at 10, he would turn up at ten-past — it was like he had a vendetta from the start. It was strange to watch because every now and then, you’d see glimpses of his talent in training and think, ‘Yeah, you can play’ but he didn’t ever seem to want to push himself.

“If you were on the bench or not in the match-day squad, you’d have to run after the game. Of course, no players liked doing it because they’re angry at not playing in the first place and you may be running at 10.30pm but they were the rules and everyone did it. But Saido would jog.

“Say we had a day off the following Sunday. Because Saido didn’t run, everybody had to come in on that day — even those who played.

“So what happens on Sunday is we turn up for training, Saido phones in sick and there was uproar. Where do you go from that? There was total disrespect and that’s what he was like on a daily basis.”

Berahino responded to Johnson’s comments in an interview with The Times.

He said: “I respect Glen Johnson’s career that he’s already produced. That’s his opinion. If that’s how he felt, it’s funny that he’s coming out now on radio when the disappointing thing for me is I had so much respect for him.

“I sat next to him in the changing room. There was never one time he called me aside and said about my behaviour or anything.

“He’s a well-respected player, he’s a senior player. He’s got so many accolades, so I was a bit disappointed that he had to go to the radio to say that.

“He could have said something when I was going through a tough period at Stoke but if that’s how he feels, then I can only respect his opinion and I wish him all the best for what he is doing in his career now.”
When Hughes was sacked and replaced by Paul Lambert, Berahino found himself frozen out of the first-team picture as the Scot attempted a crackdown on discipline.

In the wake of relegation, sources report he responded well to a fresh chance afforded to him by new manager Gary Rowett.

Rowett adopted a fatherly managerial approach which coaxed ‘good Saido’ back from the sidelines and, briefly, raised hopes that his Potteries career could be revived.

But top form never returned and last August Stoke reached a settlement with Berahino to cancel the final three years of his contract. He left having scored just three league goals in 51 appearances.

Perhaps only those who saw a young Berahino making his way through the ranks at Albion and with England can appreciate the scale of the talent that went unfulfilled.

England manager Southgate recognised it. He often asked Kane, the current England captain, to complete an unfashionable shift out wide so Berahino could take the centre-forward’s role for the under-21s.

Manchester United recognised it. Even after the risks became clear, the Old Trafford club still checked in with Fletcher about the merits of a possible bid.

And team-mates recognised it more than anyone. One experienced international confided to colleagues that he expected one day to be boasting to his children, “I played with him” while watching Berahino get the better of the world’s best defenders in the Champions League.

Now, as Berahino attempts to resurrect his career in Belgium with Zulte Waregem, there is scepticism about whether he can ever again scale the heights he reached briefly under Clarke and Irvine. He has five goals in 13 league appearances for his Belgian club at a rate of one every 212 minutes but, at the age of 26, time is no longer on his side and many former colleagues fear that not only is he seen as damaged goods by English clubs but that years of fluctuating weight must have taken its toll.

His best friend, though, is keeping faith. Berahino met Romaine Sawyers at the age of 12 and the midfielder, who returned to Albion as a first-team player this season after six years away, has a unique insight on his pal.

After so many false dawns and let-downs, Sawyers believes the charming Berahino is finally ready to own the mistakes of his trouble alter ego.

“Growing up in the academy together, we became best friends and we always have been,” says Sawyers. “He’s like a little brother to me although we’re a similar age.

“He’s scoring goals now and if you know Saido, you’ll know that’s his forte and that’s what makes him happy. As long as he’s scoring, he’ll always be happy.

“He’s a Premier League player in my opinion — I have never seen a natural finisher like him.

“If you go and speak to him and ask him who his hero is, he would say Jermain Defoe. The way that he finishes is Jermaine Defoe. His movement is Jermain Defoe. He’s just a lover of football. Whenever there is a football around, Saido will be close to it or he will be at home watching videos of Defoe, Karim Benzema, Zinedine Zidane, Thierry Henry… but for whatever reason, there was a mental blockage when things went left with the whole Tottenham thing.”

Sawyers felt the pain of his friend’s self-inflicted wounds and shed collective tears but, like so many who have witnessed the demon on Berahino’s shoulder winning too many battles with the angel on the other, Sawyers has never given up on the smiling young boy he first met on a training field a decade and a half ago.

“It was hard,” he says. “It hurts to see somebody you care about going through stuff like that. A lot of it was internal. He’s such an introverted character.

“Anybody that truly knows him knows he’s not a bad person. Because he’s such an introverted person, it’s hard to get into him. We’ve had heart-to-hearts and we’ve had them in groups where there have been tears because the people around him care so much. But you can’t always understand what somebody is going through and people can’t always explain what they’re going through.

“It’s quite hard for him. He’s a young boy who came from Burundi early and everything is a bonus to him, almost. But that doesn’t mean he’s not a normal human being with real emotions.

“He’s not the first case of somebody who has spiralled and had bad times in their career and he won’t be the last.

“He’s definitely got remorse in his heart. He’s not a stupid kid. He makes silly mistakes but he’s not stupid.

“He’s had a lot of time now to self-evaluate and he must mentally be in a great place because some of the goals he’s scoring out there are great.

“Some of the mistakes he makes are stupid — he knows that within himself, I know that and everybody around him knows that.

“But the core of him is good.”
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on January 20, 2020, 07:00:43 PM
Hi seagy, thank you for posting the article. I’ll enjoy reading that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on January 24, 2020, 05:39:30 PM
Saido Berahino 'regrets every moment' of reaction to rejected Tottenham bids

Not half as much as Albion Fans!

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51198201
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on January 24, 2020, 06:53:15 PM
This is where we find out he’s the second attacking option Bilic is looking for.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 25, 2020, 08:11:34 PM
This is where we find out he’s the second attacking option Bilic is looking for.

You know what? Despite everything that has happened, if the 'Good Saido' turned up, was serious about (and fit enough to be) playing for us, then I might just forgive him. But as the article says, at 26, time isn't on his side, and it will probably be talent unfulfilled.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gazberg on March 20, 2020, 10:29:00 PM
Berahino angling for a comeback?

Just posted 2 short video clips on his Instagram in Albion tracksuit bottoms and top doing a kickup challenge with a loo roll with the liquidator playing in the background. Also in one of his other photos somone said to him that he should never have left WBA and he replied "I agree."

Lean times for any real news so forgive me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on March 21, 2020, 12:48:20 AM
Berahino angling for a comeback?

Just posted 2 short video clips on his Instagram in Albion tracksuit bottoms and top doing a kickup challenge with a loo roll with the liquidator playing in the background. Also in one of his other photos somone said to him that he should never have left WBA and he replied "I agree."

Lean times for any real news so forgive me.
I'll take the loo roll but he can sod off.😃
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gazberg on March 21, 2020, 01:17:27 AM
I'll take the loo roll but he can sod off.😃

I think most would agree you with you. A real shame and waste of a career to boot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 22, 2020, 02:09:04 PM
Well if bully came out of retirement and got us 25 goals some would sing his name

Never say never....he’d be an employee of a football club, he wouldn’t be moving in to your spare room.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on March 22, 2020, 02:42:04 PM
Well,well,well unforgivable the way he treated us.
That was then.
Forgivable? Perhaps he has actually grown up into a decent person?
With family/ children responsibilities they do ground you.
I havnt followed his career since he left us,but at 26 with Sawyer's as a grounding person,not many players in our squad know him or would put up with his antics.
He knows our club but not the brilliance of our manager,could bring the best out of him.
If slaven sanctioned a move structured in our benefit I'd give him a trial .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on March 22, 2020, 02:44:03 PM
He was only a kid in fairness, I just hope for his sake he can find happiness.
I doubt he's angling for a move back but fair play to him, seems to have matured. Apparently the manager he's under is good at that sort of stuff so it looks to have worked.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on March 22, 2020, 04:20:49 PM
No thanks
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on March 22, 2020, 05:32:47 PM
Since season 2014/15 (14 League goals), nearly 6 years ago, what has he done that anyone would think that, taking him back, would improve us?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 22, 2020, 06:45:17 PM
Since season 2014/15 (14 League goals), nearly 6 years ago, what has he done that anyone would think that, taking him back, would improve us?
He can run faster than Austin
He can finish better than Zohore
He’s got more career left than Kanu
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 22, 2020, 06:56:02 PM
If he genuinely has improved his attitude, I would take him back, remember, he was neck and neck with Harry Kane as an England Under 21, he would have to return on a cheap contract with a real desire to rebuild his career with us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on March 22, 2020, 06:57:13 PM
Looks like the lad is testing the water some fans are saying give him another chance, would you i wouldnt.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/definitely-regrets-west-brom-fans-17961401
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on March 22, 2020, 07:00:58 PM
He can run faster than Austin
He can finish better than Zohore
He’s got more career left than Kanu

He can run faster than Austin..........  Thats not hard
He can finish better than Zohore......  Thats not hard
He’s got more career left than Kanu...  Kanu playing at a higher leval for longer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 22, 2020, 07:29:31 PM
He can run faster than Austin..........  Thats not hard
He can finish better than Zohore......  Thats not hard
He’s got more career left than Kanu...  Kanu playing at a higher leval for longer.
I’m trying to get myself a contract 😀
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on March 22, 2020, 07:31:20 PM
I’m trying to get myself a contract 😀

You failed, miserably  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on March 22, 2020, 07:51:06 PM
He can run faster than Austin
He can finish better than Zohore
He’s got more career left than Kanu

Comparing the two on scorebase.com, if it’s reliable of course

This is the league games career comparison

Berahino, age 26, played 133, scored 44, g/g 0.21

Zohore, age 26 (but 6 months younger), played 101, scored 44, g/g 0.24

Thoughts?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on March 22, 2020, 08:18:02 PM
Considering Berahino went about 3 years without scoring I'm disappointed that Zohore's aren't significantly better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on March 22, 2020, 08:21:48 PM
Considering Berahino went about 3 years without scoring I'm disappointed that Zohore's aren't significantly better.

The record books, unfortunately, only record the facts
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on March 22, 2020, 09:15:36 PM
Forgive him - yes. I wouldn't have him back. Seems he casued to much trouble and was a rotten apple that spoiled the barrel. You don't go back to that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 22, 2020, 10:42:47 PM
Comparing the two on scorebase.com, if it’s reliable of course

This is the league games career comparison

Berahino, age 26, played 133, scored 44, g/g 0.21

Zohore, age 26 (but 6 months younger), played 101, scored 44, g/g 0.24

Thoughts?
Facts be the facts....but I have never looked at Zohore and thought “he’s going to score”...I have on a couple of occasions questioned if he’d scored , after the ball went over the line .
Between the two it’s Saido all day for me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on March 24, 2020, 03:45:51 PM
You know what's crazy about Berahino?

I just finished watching the season review (14/15 I think with Irvine and Pulis) and I'd forgotten just how good he was. It's actually quite sad watching it back because you forget just what he was capable of. Remember these two managers played very negative football, it wasn't like he was getting easy supply such as the strikers under promotion with Mowbray or anything, he was working on scraps.
However, his finishing was so good that it didn't matter, he was a complete natural.

I know he'll never return (and I wouldn't go after him regardless) but as said, it's just sad to see what could of been. He was capable of scoring all kinds of goals and truly had the world at his feet back then, it's crazy to think how it all ended up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jimmyj on April 17, 2020, 12:50:35 PM
Don't often come in here, so apologies for the bump of a quiet thread.

Just for my own two pence worth, I would not be against Berahino coming back.
Obviously not as a headline signing, but a minimal fee, low wages and an understanding that he's here as backup/development, and I'd be golden.

He had (has?) natural goalscoring talent, in teams bereft of support and creativity. I'd like to think that doesn't go away. It's easy to forget how much of a bright light he was, in the dark days of Mel, Irvine and Pulis. It would be a huge comeback story as well. At the age of 26 he still has almost ten years left in him on the pitch.

Almost certain to not happen, but I'm bored and going on flights of fancy in my head.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on April 17, 2020, 12:54:18 PM
Don't often come in here, so apologies for the bump of a quiet thread.

Just for my own two pence worth, I would not be against Berahino coming back.
Obviously not as a headline signing, but a minimal fee, low wages and an understanding that he's here as backup/development, and I'd be golden.

He had (has?) natural goalscoring talent, in teams bereft of support and creativity. I'd like to think that doesn't go away. It's easy to forget how much of a bright light he was, in the dark days of Mel, Irvine and Pulis. It would be a huge comeback story as well. At the age of 26 he still has almost ten years left in him on the pitch.

Almost certain to not happen, but I'm bored and going on flights of fancy in my head.

You certainly got the tense right Jimmy

You clearly are bored.

Understand where you are coming from, but not for me thank you.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on April 17, 2020, 01:38:52 PM
Well I hope his careers plummets until he ends up at Sporting Khalsa or Rushall Olympic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 17, 2020, 05:00:40 PM
He had one good season and everyone went overboard about him.
Never got near to replicating his 2014/15 season.
One hit wonder like so may others up and own the leagues.
Only sorry we never maximised the fee we could have got for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on April 18, 2020, 06:33:52 PM
Would I have him back?
 No.

Has he squandered his career?

 Yes to a point that one of the smaller clubs in Belgium is about his level at 26.

Do I regret losing the player he might have been?

Yes because the 18 months from his break through moment early 2013/2014 to the end of the 14/15 he was the genuine article and as natural finisher as I have ever witnessed in a team which created few chances and finished the season with the dead hand of Pulis at the tiller. That was not to say there wasn't room for improvement in his all round game but there was potential aplenty.

Was he solely responsible for his own down fall?

No not entirely. The car crash of his off field activities and the spat he had with the club around the aborted Spurs transfer was all down to him although we will never know who was whispering what into Berahino's ear in regard of the transfer.

 Yet in terms of development he did absolutely need to get away from the club that was going into the dark winter of Pulisball. By the time he did leave everything had gone to hell. The sharpness wasn't there the time on the sidelines had taken it's toll on his confidence and his off pitch behaviour was if anything worsening.

He then went to Stoke and I am really not sure why they bought him, Hughes had no better idea as to coax the best out of him than Pulis.

Overall I wouldn't make excuses for the many flaws in his character and no matter what he certainly had the capacity to self destruct. Yet if there was ever a talent that needed the right environment to flourish it was Berahino. Sadly for all concerned it wasn't WBA in 2015 (5 years ago it seems like yesterday.)

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionFan on May 11, 2020, 03:39:17 PM
Saido Berahino: I'd jump at chance of West Brom return

Pass

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2020/05/11/saido-berahino-id-jump-at-chance-of-west-brom-return/
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 11, 2020, 03:48:46 PM
Saido Berahino: I'd jump at chance of West Brom return

Pass

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2020/05/11/saido-berahino-id-jump-at-chance-of-west-brom-return/
Thankfully this isn’t twitter so you can’t all block me....I’d have him back 😀
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2020, 03:52:50 PM
Polls at 50/50 at the moment roughly. If he came on a free on vastly reduced wages i'd consider it but doubtful.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2020, 03:55:56 PM
He was a good player.


7 years ago he was light years ahead of the 3 'strikers' we've got now.


However, with promotion round the corner we can surely do much better than both him and the 3 incumbents.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on May 11, 2020, 06:06:19 PM
He was a good player.


7 years ago he was light years ahead of the 3 'strikers' we've got now.


However, with promotion round the corner we can surely do much better than both him and the 3 incumbents.
I honestly couldn't remember who our 3 incumbents are! This non football world has gone on too long.
Someone tell me who our forwards are
Bloody hell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2020, 06:07:41 PM
I honestly couldn't remember who our 3 incumbents are! This non football world has gone on too long.
Someone tell me who our forwards are
Bloody hell.

HRK, Austin and Zohore
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on May 11, 2020, 06:12:45 PM
HRK, Austin and Zohore
Thanks  gazberg, I've either got dementia or they ay nothing special.😁
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on May 11, 2020, 06:18:03 PM
Full interview on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw19V9fj-bk&t=595s

Need to wind back to the beginning, operator error  :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on May 11, 2020, 06:24:42 PM
Full interview on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw19V9fj-bk&t=595s

Need to wind back to the beginning, operator error  :(

Nice one! This could be a very interesting watch.

Am i intrigued to see if he could resurrect his career with us - yes I'd love to see this story end with a triumphant return.

Would I have him back - absolutely not. I'm getting more cynical as I hit my mid-thirties and I would expect him to let us all down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on May 11, 2020, 06:30:45 PM
I expect he would love to come back. The child maintenance payments must be pretty hefty!.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Westie on May 11, 2020, 07:32:15 PM
I hope that I never see Berahino at the Hawthorns again, especially as an Albion player. I could never imagine me not celebrating an Albion goal but an exception would be made if that waster ever played in an Albion shirt again. Give me HRK every time over Berahino, HRK works his socks off and gives everything every game. Nobody can say the same for the waster.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on May 11, 2020, 07:33:56 PM
Not for me, he had the potential to be a very good player and serve the club who gave him a good start in life. He wasted that chance and did nothing at Stoke but I think another club would take that chance and hope his foolishness has disappeared with maturity. Wish him well wherever he goes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 11, 2020, 07:45:50 PM
He was a good player.


7 years ago he was light years ahead of the 3 'strikers' we've got now.


However, with promotion round the corner we can surely do much better than both him and the 3 incumbents.
I think a finisher is a finisher , fitness can be regained , still plenty in that tank.
We aren’t going to realistically change all three
So if we kept one (I’d have HRK) purchased a good one , got Saido on a free ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Westie on May 11, 2020, 07:54:26 PM
Some supporters have short memories. Berahino disrespected the fans big time; I saw his last performances for us and he was a disgrace, showing no effort or desire whatsoever. Remember his ‘f you’ attitude at Northampton in that cup match? He did a very effective job of bridge burning. There are many, many up and coming young players that are deserving of a chance, Berahino blew his.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2020, 07:59:37 PM
I think a finisher is a finisher , fitness can be regained , still plenty in that tank.
We aren’t going to realistically change all three
So if we kept one (I’d have HRK) purchased a good one , got Saido on a free ?


Unless the good one was a Rashford/Jesus level striker that would be a disastrous PL forward line.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 11, 2020, 08:01:19 PM

Unless the good one was a Rashford/Jesus level striker that would be a disastrous PL forward line.
I honestly can’t see us changing all of them
I think the good one would be a Giroud/Ajeti type...if there was anyway we could get Haller, he’d be unbelievable for us .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2020, 08:15:30 PM
Thanks  gazberg, I've either got dementia or they ay nothing special.😁


The latter half of your reply i'd agree with although HRK seems to love it under Bilic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2020, 08:20:57 PM
I honestly can’t see us changing all of them
I think the good one would be a Giroud/Ajeti type...if there was anyway we could get Haller, he’d be unbelievable for us .


Without going wildly off topic of our 3 I'd only want to see Zohore in the squad next season. Austin while an asset currently is too old for the PL. Kanu does not deserve yet another crack at it after years of failure, whereas while KZ record at Cardiff in the PL was poor regards 1 goal in 19, his performances apparently were very good.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on May 11, 2020, 08:49:42 PM
I genuinely think that he tried to resurrect his career with us just before he left, and then made an effort to do so at Stoke too (I actually believe his drink driving fiasco which got him released from Stoke).

However, in his final 6 months of playing with us and his few years at Stoke he was awful. You could see at Stoke in particular he was desperate to succeed and be loved, and even at times with us I think he wanted to be recapture his old form.
But that year out or whatever it was just completely ruined him. He's now scored 1 in 3 in the Belgium league which isn't great. I do genuinely feel sorry for him and hope he turns it around, but I don't think he could ever make it again in the Championship or above, I feel time has passed him by in that sense and no matter how dedicated and mature he is now, it's simply not enough and his chance has deserted him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 11, 2020, 09:54:41 PM
I genuinely think that he tried to resurrect his career with us just before he left, and then made an effort to do so at Stoke too (I actually believe his drink driving fiasco which got him released from Stoke).

However, in his final 6 months of playing with us and his few years at Stoke he was awful. You could see at Stoke in particular he was desperate to succeed and be loved, and even at times with us I think he wanted to be recapture his old form.
But that year out or whatever it was just completely ruined him. He's now scored 1 in 3 in the Belgium league which isn't great. I do genuinely feel sorry for him and hope he turns it around, but I don't think he could ever make it again in the Championship or above, I feel time has passed him by in that sense and no matter how dedicated and mature he is now, it's simply not enough and his chance has deserted him.

Not sure Glen Johnson would agree, I think it was on Talksport he said that Saido was constantly late, turned up in the incorrect kit for training and games and then the whole squad had to suffer after one thing he did but Saido phoned in sick.

They had a tit for tat couple of paper stories but even Peter Crouch said “I was in the same dressing room as Glen Johnson and Saido Berahino.”

“I’m not going to say Glen was wrong.”

“There was many players in the dressing room who didn’t pull their weight.”
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on May 11, 2020, 10:12:50 PM
Looking at Berahino dispassionately I would not have him back there isn't the tactical fit he is absolutely not the player he was nor anything like the player he might have been. Would I love the 21 year old Berahino to have been coached by Slaven Bilic to see how things turned out? Yes, but that isn't what is on offer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on May 11, 2020, 10:14:51 PM
I’d rather have coronavirus than see Berahino in an Albion kit again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on May 11, 2020, 10:33:43 PM
Didn't he put the blame on the club and those here for his failure with us? I remember him celebrating when his transfer to Stoke went through.  So if it was all West Brom's fault, how come he failed at Stoke?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 12, 2020, 03:27:19 AM
Would he offer more than Austin if we got promoted probably. Would I want him back probably not.

As many of you have alluded to. We need to really strengthen up top or we will have a hard time if we got promoted. Mowbray side relied on goals from midfield they didn't really come I fear the same under billic
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 12, 2020, 06:58:54 AM
Much as I would love a top form Berahino to be playing for us, I think that ship has sailed, he has severe attitude problems and his potential to be a corrosive influence should not be underestimated, so it's a no from me, sorry Saido, you had a gift and an opportunity most people can only dream of, you threw it away, seduced by greed and excess.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on May 12, 2020, 08:12:57 AM
Didn't he put the blame on the club and those here for his failure with us? I remember him celebrating when his transfer to Stoke went through.  So if it was all West Brom's fault, how come he failed at Stoke?

It is worth watching the interview. He is contrite about many aspects of his career - its almost as though he has banged his head and some common sense fell into place. Tells you all about Peace and the failed transfer, his life story, the best player he has seen at West Brom etc

I was firmly in the 'not over my dead body camp' but I watched that yesterday and wondered what he would be like in a team containing Periera etc I would not be adverse to him training with us but my god he has got to pull up some trees......I am still 90% no but we all know what he was capable of and it is better than any of our current incumbents skillsets [IMO of course].

In answer to the question about failing at Stoke, I think everyone failed at Stoke when he was there, just read the reams of complaints on Oatcake, they were not happy with any of their team at the time.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 12, 2020, 08:33:12 AM
Even after all that has gone before, I would be happier giving him a trial , than some who we have trialled and even given short term contracts to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on May 12, 2020, 09:30:17 AM
We seem to have a happy squad who all get on? So why would we want him back? Glenn Johnson said he was the worst Footballer he had ever played with that's good enough for me. Plus the last couple of months with us he was dusgusting. So it's a definite NO from me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinging_along on May 12, 2020, 09:56:27 AM
He was good for about 6 months, then an absolute waste after that, he was given chance after chance by the club.  He went to Stoke, scored 1 in about 18 months or something, and had the EXACT same attitude problems.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on May 12, 2020, 10:53:35 AM
I get the feeling he will be back in England soon. I would be amazed if it was with us though. Plenty of championship clubs will consider him if the finances are right.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on May 12, 2020, 12:36:26 PM
At one time I would say on a free give h a try but when you get reminded about his disruptive antics just think what he could do to our younger lads who are in our squad now,so its a big no now.he's blown it for me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KN22 on May 12, 2020, 12:43:19 PM
Not a prayer thanks... Was always overrated in my view and never proved himself over a prolonged period. As for his attitude... don't start me on that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 12, 2020, 02:38:49 PM
A no from me. Too much bad blood. Has had a poor attitude for most of his career not just with us but at Stoke too...Lambert had him training with the kids because of it.
Had a couple of good seasons for us and looked the real deal. Scoring 20 goals in all comps in a season playing in a Pulis side should not be sniffed at however he did go 2 years without scoring at Stoke and only managed 3 goals in 51 apps for them.
He has managed 6 goals in 17 apps for Zulte Waregem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiedom on May 12, 2020, 05:20:27 PM
No thanks end of
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on May 12, 2020, 05:44:52 PM
I would make him crawl through the academy and give a seminar on what he did wrong to all the U21 players. The he could start in U21's and reward him accordingly, IF he did all this and showed the required results then yes he could advance.

no chance of it happening, so no chance of him coming back.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on May 12, 2020, 07:07:50 PM
No thanks, its always about him.
He couldn't even bother to turn up on time for training either here of at Stoke.
Shows a total lack of respect for someone who came from such humble beginnings
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on May 12, 2020, 11:28:54 PM
Makes me laugh when he directly implies nobody told him he was being a bell'.

Not even the other players in the dressing room who apparently did. Not even the management team of the time who apparently did. Not even the then chairman who apparently also did. Not even a former manager who went on to manage England who apparently did. Not even a former technical director who went on to front up the FA as technical director, and who now does such things for plastic Albion in the Prem' apparently did either.

As for what they told him during his time at Stoke I've no idea. But a former team mate from his spell there, who had performed to the level of a full England international, was in no doubt of what he thought of him. I can't think where such an impression could have come from either. Obviously some kind of disrespectful 'fool'.

Dare say none of the magistrates or solicitors etc he's come into contact with over the years have ever told him he should buck his ideas up either. Well apart from the ones who did as a matter of public record of course. I know for a fact a number of our supporters definitely did online. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find several repeated their thoughts to his face on more than one occasion either. But then I suppose if they had they would have just been 'fools', rather like the journalists outside court were on his last appearance there.

Begs the question as to what his mother was doing at the time and whether he actually listened/listens to her, never mind his now numerous ex baby mommas. Or even whether he listens to himself in his quiet moments. Perhaps that's what this is about, his quiet moments. But why now? How has the white noise of distraction cleared from his ears? Has the light finally shone upon his darkened mind?

Could it be the penny has finally dropped? His Damascus moment has finally arrived via much of his bible reading and online quotations? Could it be he is a just a WUM and is taking the letter P for attentions sake? Or could it be his gravy train is running ever short of the juice which funds his other juices and associated vices? Who knows? And quite frankly, despite the protracted nature of my constipated thoughts I couldn't really give a .........
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: timdon on May 13, 2020, 10:11:30 AM
Makes me laugh when he directly implies nobody told him he was being a bell'.

Not even the other players in the dressing room who apparently did. Not even the management team of the time who apparently did. Not even the then chairman who apparently also did. Not even a former manager who went on to manage England who apparently did. Not even a former technical director who went on to front up the FA as technical director, and who now does such things for plastic Albion in the Prem' apparently did either.

As for what they told him during his time at Stoke I've no idea. But a former team mate from his spell there, who had performed to the level of a full England international, was in no doubt of what he thought of him. I can't think where such an impression could have come from either. Obviously some kind of disrespectful 'fool'.

Dare say none of the magistrates or solicitors etc he's come into contact with over the years have ever told him he should buck his ideas up either. Well apart from the ones who did as a matter of public record of course. I know for a fact a number of our supporters definitely did online. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find several repeated their thoughts to his face on more than one occasion either. But then I suppose if they had they would have just been 'fools', rather like the journalists outside court were on his last appearance there.

Begs the question as to what his mother was doing at the time and whether he actually listened/listens to her, never mind his now numerous ex baby mommas. Or even whether he listens to himself in his quiet moments. Perhaps that's what this is about, his quiet moments. But why now? How has the white noise of distraction cleared from his ears? Has the light finally shone upon his darkened mind?

Could it be the penny has finally dropped? His Damascus moment has finally arrived via much of his bible reading and online quotations? Could it be he is a just a WUM and is taking the letter P for attentions sake? Or could it be his gravy train is running ever short of the juice which funds his other juices and associated vices? Who knows? And quite frankly, despite the protracted nature of my constipated thoughts I couldn't really give a .........
From your list of options, my money would be on this one.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 13, 2020, 01:17:41 PM
Makes me laugh when he directly implies nobody told him he was being a bell'.

Not even the other players in the dressing room who apparently did. Not even the management team of the time who apparently did. Not even the then chairman who apparently also did. Not even a former manager who went on to manage England who apparently did. Not even a former technical director who went on to front up the FA as technical director, and who now does such things for plastic Albion in the Prem' apparently did either.

As for what they told him during his time at Stoke I've no idea. But a former team mate from his spell there, who had performed to the level of a full England international, was in no doubt of what he thought of him. I can't think where such an impression could have come from either. Obviously some kind of disrespectful 'fool'.

Dare say none of the magistrates or solicitors etc he's come into contact with over the years have ever told him he should buck his ideas up either. Well apart from the ones who did as a matter of public record of course. I know for a fact a number of our supporters definitely did online. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find several repeated their thoughts to his face on more than one occasion either. But then I suppose if they had they would have just been 'fools', rather like the journalists outside court were on his last appearance there.

Begs the question as to what his mother was doing at the time and whether he actually listened/listens to her, never mind his now numerous ex baby mommas. Or even whether he listens to himself in his quiet moments. Perhaps that's what this is about, his quiet moments. But why now? How has the white noise of distraction cleared from his ears? Has the light finally shone upon his darkened mind?

Could it be the penny has finally dropped? His Damascus moment has finally arrived via much of his bible reading and online quotations? Could it be he is a just a WUM and is taking the letter P for attentions sake? Or could it be his gravy train is running ever short of the juice which funds his other juices and associated vices? Who knows? And quite frankly, despite the protracted nature of my constipated thoughts I couldn't really give a .........

I can say nothing that could possibly add to this piece of brilliance  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on May 13, 2020, 01:49:06 PM
Makes me laugh when he directly implies nobody told him he was being a bell'.

Not even the other players in the dressing room who apparently did. Not even the management team of the time who apparently did. Not even the then chairman who apparently also did. Not even a former manager who went on to manage England who apparently did. Not even a former technical director who went on to front up the FA as technical director, and who now does such things for plastic Albion in the Prem' apparently did either.

As for what they told him during his time at Stoke I've no idea. But a former team mate from his spell there, who had performed to the level of a full England international, was in no doubt of what he thought of him. I can't think where such an impression could have come from either. Obviously some kind of disrespectful 'fool'.

Dare say none of the magistrates or solicitors etc he's come into contact with over the years have ever told him he should buck his ideas up either. Well apart from the ones who did as a matter of public record of course. I know for a fact a number of our supporters definitely did online. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find several repeated their thoughts to his face on more than one occasion either. But then I suppose if they had they would have just been 'fools', rather like the journalists outside court were on his last appearance there.

Begs the question as to what his mother was doing at the time and whether he actually listened/listens to her, never mind his now numerous ex baby mommas. Or even whether he listens to himself in his quiet moments. Perhaps that's what this is about, his quiet moments. But why now? How has the white noise of distraction cleared from his ears? Has the light finally shone upon his darkened mind?

Could it be the penny has finally dropped? His Damascus moment has finally arrived via much of his bible reading and online quotations? Could it be he is a just a WUM and is taking the letter P for attentions sake? Or could it be his gravy train is running ever short of the juice which funds his other juices and associated vices? Who knows? And quite frankly, despite the protracted nature of my constipated thoughts I couldn't really give a .........

So is that a no then Dan?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on May 13, 2020, 04:17:00 PM
Would rather stick petrol soaked wasps in my eyes than see him in an Albion shirt again.
Only stripes I'd like to see him wearing are those of HMP Winson Green, that would, hopefully, and deservedly, complete his fall from "grace" and seal his fate once and for all!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on May 13, 2020, 09:09:15 PM
I have said that I think he would be a bad influence on our younger players so my vote was no thanks.
The comments on here are very damming , I wonder how all these holier than though fans havnt made any mistakes in their late teens early twenties?
What makes a footballer a target for ridicule.
Perhaps all these so called icons like Berahino and other rather nasty people some names I can't just recall,but we know who they are,would be just the same in our world, ill wait for you guys to list them for me.
Just thinking...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on May 13, 2020, 09:16:36 PM
Sorry chap but I haven't got the foggiest as to what you're on about.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 13, 2020, 10:24:35 PM
I have said that I think he would be a bad influence on our younger players so my vote was no thanks.
The comments on here are very damming , I wonder how all these holier than though fans havnt made any mistakes in their late teens early twenties?
What makes a footballer a target for ridicule.
Perhaps all these so called icons like Berahino and other rather nasty people some names I can't just recall,but we know who they are,would be just the same in our world, ill wait for you guys to list them for me.
Just thinking...

And drinking?🤔😁
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on May 14, 2020, 09:32:15 AM
I have said that I think he would be a bad influence on our younger players so my vote was no thanks.
The comments on here are very damming , I wonder how all these holier than though fans havnt made any mistakes in their late teens early twenties?
What makes a footballer a target for ridicule.
Perhaps all these so called icons like Berahino and other rather nasty people some names I can't just recall,but we know who they are,would be just the same in our world, ill wait for you guys to list them for me.
Just thinking...
Well, whilst I was no angel, and I too am struggling to gauge your point, I can definitely say I have not:

Been done for drink driving
Impregnated 3 different women
Gone on strike because I didn't get my own way
Publicly slagged off my employers
Continually disrespected my co-workers
or got the sack.
and
If I had any fans.... I certainly would not have disrespected them.

Perhaps I am an angel after all.  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on May 14, 2020, 09:52:18 AM
He was never an Icon liverbaggie.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on May 14, 2020, 12:03:59 PM
No your right he was perhaps a fallen icon .
And yes I have never done any of the things he has done either, what a loser.
I think being cooped up for 65 days self isolating and shielding sent my mind a bit wonky previously guys
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WoysWunderful on May 14, 2020, 02:17:05 PM
Reckon he could be good enough to do a shift opposite the brummie Road on a match day, but that may be as far as he can go now 😂
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 14, 2020, 03:13:19 PM
Well, whilst I was no angel, and I too am struggling to gauge your point, I can definitely say I have not:

Been done for drink driving
Impregnated 3 different women
Gone on strike because I didn't get my own way
Publicly slagged off my employers
Continually disrespected my co-workers
or got the sack.
and
If I had any fans.... I certainly would not have disrespected them.

Perhaps I am an angel after all.  :D
Have you ever been on 35k a week with a hell of a lot of free time and constantly surrounded by millionaires “living the life”?

I’m not saying that makes it all ok by the way, but we tend to do what the people around us do?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 14, 2020, 09:24:04 PM
Have you ever been on 35k a week with a hell of a lot of free time and constantly surrounded by millionaires “living the life”?

I’m not saying that makes it all ok by the way, but we tend to do what the people around us do?
Who were these millionaires he was surrounded by? Surely not his work colleagues who went about it in a professional way. Could it be the hanger-ons that he was trying to impress?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 05, 2020, 10:50:55 PM
See Saido has moved across Belgium to Sporting de Charleroi, he scored 10 in 30 games for Zulte Waregem
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on October 05, 2020, 11:03:32 PM
See Saido has moved across Belgium to Sporting de Charleroi, he scored 10 in 30 games for Zulte Waregem

I was half expecting him to turn up back here tonight  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gazberg on October 05, 2020, 11:11:57 PM
I was half expecting him to turn up back here tonight  ;D

Half of WBA Twitter were begging him too  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on October 05, 2020, 11:14:01 PM
See Saido has moved across Belgium to Sporting de Charleroi, he scored 10 in 30 games for Zulte Waregem
See the BMail managed to get it wrong saying he was moving to the French club Charleroi
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 05, 2020, 11:20:49 PM
I was half expecting him to turn up back here tonight  ;D

He’d probably get in our team at the minute..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on October 05, 2020, 11:38:20 PM
He’d probably get in our team at the minute..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Westie on October 05, 2020, 11:48:29 PM
I wouldn’t want that scumbag back here even if he played for free and scored 30 goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on October 06, 2020, 12:30:19 AM
They are top of the Belgian league at the moment. He could have a decent career in Belgium if he keeps his head down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 14, 2020, 08:15:59 AM
I wouldn’t want that scumbag back here even if he played for free and scored 30 goals.
Seems a strange feeling to have,if we think he can 30 goals in the prem I’ll go get him myself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 12, 2021, 01:49:52 PM
Desperate times, desperate actions needed.

Would getting him back be a step to far? :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 12, 2021, 01:52:27 PM
Desperate times, desperate actions needed.

Would getting him back be a step to far? :-\

not the kind of striker we need, we need a more physical striker that can also hold the ball up and bring others into play. Think HRK mixed with Deeney but better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 12, 2021, 03:04:26 PM
not the kind of striker we need, we need a more physical striker that can also hold the ball up and bring others into play. Think HRK mixed with Deeney but better.

But he is a proven goal scorer at this level

We don’t yet know how our defence or midfield structure will be yet
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 12, 2021, 03:10:51 PM
But he is a proven goal scorer at this level

We don’t yet know how our defence or midfield structure will be yet

Does 1 good season, 6 years ago, make him proven at this level?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 12, 2021, 05:46:47 PM
Does 1 good season, 6 years ago, make him proven at this level?
Get him in...............been saying it for the last twelve months. Hopefully fully grown up now.
Short term contract what's the problem? . Remember all players leave us and most of them move on without looking back.............there ain't many Tony Brown's about. Saido has indicated he would love to come back.... give him a another chance. I wish we had got him for Saturday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KN22 on January 12, 2021, 06:34:04 PM
Not nearly good enough and never has been.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on January 12, 2021, 06:37:22 PM
Get him in...............been saying it for the last twelve months. Hopefully fully grown up now.
Short term contract what's the problem? . Remember all players leave us and most of them move on without looking back.............there ain't many Tony Brown's about. Saido has indicated he would love to come back.... give him a another chance. I wish we had got him for Saturday.

I’d love to play for the Albion too, doesn’t mean I should be signed.

Facts are he hasn’t done anything of note to warrant us signing him. If he had never play for us before and we were linked with him now everyone would be saying no.

Can’t assume he would find form that he had for one season almost 7 years ago.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 12, 2021, 06:56:58 PM
Take the name Saido Berahino out if it, and just say we are interested in signing a Burundi international striker currently on loan to a Belgian side who scored 3 goals in over 50 appearances the last he played in England we would say our scouting network has gone crazy and there would be uproar.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 12, 2021, 07:26:51 PM
Still only 27 years old , scored 35 goals in 100 games for us , including some beauties. Not suggesting him as first choice but worthy of a looksee, if we are considering Andy Carroll (58 goals in 210) games for Newcastle and West Ham, and any number of unproven players from Europe.
Some Albion supporters would cut their own nose off to spite their own face. All I know is that at his best , he was a very good striker. Some of the players we are being linked to have never been "very good" just plain average.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on January 12, 2021, 08:34:54 PM
Still only 27 years old , scored 35 goals in 100 games for us , including some beauties. Not suggesting him as first choice but worthy of a looksee, if we are considering Andy Carroll (58 goals in 210) games for Newcastle and West Ham, and any number of unproven players from Europe.
Some Albion supporters would cut their own nose off to spite their own face. All I know is that at his best , he was a very good striker. Some of the players we are being linked to have never been "very good" just plain average.

Understand your point but sadly being very good for a couple of seasons is all he will ever be. He's now sub-championship level.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboy79 on February 12, 2021, 01:18:51 PM
Saido Berahino has publicly apologised to Jeremy Peace Today for the way he behaved whilst with West Brom.  Much too late in my opinion but would we take him back?  Could still do a job for us?

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/saido-berahino-exclusive-ive-never-publicly-apologised-for-my-behaviour-towards-jeremy-peace-at-west-brom-but-id-like-to-do-it-now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on February 12, 2021, 02:23:53 PM
Saido Berahino has publicly apologised to Jeremy Peace Today for the way he behaved whilst with West Brom.  Much too late in my opinion but would we take him back?  Could still do a job for us?

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/saido-berahino-exclusive-ive-never-publicly-apologised-for-my-behaviour-towards-jeremy-peace-at-west-brom-but-id-like-to-do-it-now

I don't think it's about that with Berahino, more just moving on and showing he's matured. I believe he's loaned out to another Belgium club so he's hardly setting the world alight. It's good to see for his own growth that he's moved on though, shows he's more mature than he used to be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 13, 2021, 05:10:28 AM
Saido Berahino has publicly apologised to Jeremy Peace Today for the way he behaved whilst with West Brom.  Much too late in my opinion but would we take him back?  Could still do a job for us?

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/saido-berahino-exclusive-ive-never-publicly-apologised-for-my-behaviour-towards-jeremy-peace-at-west-brom-but-id-like-to-do-it-now

Grass isn’t always greener. Funny how no other English club wants to seem to take a punt on him. He’s rotten, leave him where he is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on February 13, 2021, 07:15:30 AM
Still only 27 years old , scored 35 goals in 100 games for us , including some beauties. Not suggesting him as first choice but worthy of a looksee, if we are considering Andy Carroll (58 goals in 210) games for Newcastle and West Ham, and any number of unproven players from Europe.
Some Albion supporters would cut their own nose off to spite their own face. All I know is that at his best , he was a very good striker. Some of the players we are being linked to have never been "very good" just plain average.

I think the word was sums it up for me 68. When he was with us he got ideas above his station and when the deal did not happen his head went, and for me I have seen no evidence that he is anywhere near that player we had the pleasure in watching, all be it for not very long.

The fact that he is prepared to publicly apologise to JP shows me how desperate he is to get back into English football. He went on social media a few months ago with a bit of a 'tell all' posting in the hope of finding his way home.

I know where you are coming from but for me we have enough problems at the club without this chap.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 13, 2021, 10:54:13 AM
I am glad if he seen the error of his ways but that's it. The general rule of thumb if a player's good, great or whatever form was more than a season ago don't count on him recapturing it if it is more than 2 seasons old there is virtually zero chance of seeing it again. What you see is what you get.
Title: Saido Berahino
Post by: MONKWBA on March 11, 2021, 09:57:33 AM
Really insightful interview with Rio Ferdinand & others released yesterday.

Saido expresses once again his main desire is to one day play for West Brom again. I'd had my doubts in the past but he comes across as a much more mature man these days and to hear anyone say they would love to play for West Brom is great to hear.

Personally I would take him back - he seems to be much more grounded nowadays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRPIlG2xQnw

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on March 11, 2021, 09:59:53 AM
Really insightful interview with Rio Ferdinand & others released yesterday.

Saido expresses once again his main desire is to one day play for West Brom again. I'd had my doubts in the past but he comes across as a much more mature man these days and to hear anyone say they would love to play for West Brom is great to hear.

Personally I would take him back - he seems to be much more grounded nowadays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRPIlG2xQnw

Hi Saido, welcome to the forum  ;D

It’s a no from me. Hope you/he ends up playing Sunday League pub football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 11, 2021, 10:02:43 AM
absolutely not, never
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on March 11, 2021, 10:05:51 AM
Not the player he once was or could have been.

I wouldn’t take him back myself, but at the same time if he did come back and score goals I’d be cheering so  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on March 11, 2021, 10:22:51 AM
It’s surprising easy to say something when you are about to be unemployed and would love to find an employer to pay you 20k per week. He made his bed, West Brom treated him well and he he must now live with the decisions he made. He has proved nothing since he left us, was a load of trouble at Stoke and now playing in a pub league.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 11, 2021, 10:29:00 AM
Hardly set the world in fire in Belgium, I look regularly to see if he's played for Sporting Charleroi but seems to be sub more than anything, could be argued he needs a run of games but something is obviously stopping them from giving him that run.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on March 11, 2021, 10:29:26 AM
Really insightful interview with Rio Ferdinand & others released yesterday.

Saido expresses once again his main desire is to one day play for West Brom again. I'd had my doubts in the past but he comes across as a much more mature man these days and to hear anyone say they would love to play for West Brom is great to hear.

Personally I would take him back - he seems to be much more grounded nowadays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRPIlG2xQnw

Good morning Mrs. Berahino.

It's very nice of you to post this link to your son's interview but I'm afraid I don't have time to sit through such long discourse. Does he mention his charitable interests and how your grandchildren are progressing through their early life stage development?

God is good but I very much doubt I'll be playing for the Albion any time soon either. If you take your boots down to the Hawthorns you'll probably get a start before either of us do. All of the very best for a happy  and wonderful day.

Cheery bye.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on March 11, 2021, 10:38:01 AM
Berahino playing for the Albion again LOL he would be about as welcome as Meghan Markle at the Palace!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on March 11, 2021, 10:45:54 AM
Sad truth is, if he did come back and performed well enough for Tottenham to come calling again, I would expect him to behave exactly as he did the first time.
I don't believe he's changed, He's just desperate.

Let the Wolves have him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on March 11, 2021, 10:56:42 AM
Really insightful interview with Rio Ferdinand & others released yesterday.

Saido expresses once again his main desire is to one day play for West Brom again. I'd had my doubts in the past but he comes across as a much more mature man these days and to hear anyone say they would love to play for West Brom is great to hear.

Personally I would take him back - he seems to be much more grounded nowadays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRPIlG2xQnw

I could live with that if he was banging them in for fun in Belgium, but he's not.

We need to move forward, not live in the hope that he may once again discover his form. There are many clubs in the UK that could take a chance, but none seem to be lining up for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on March 11, 2021, 11:13:04 AM
What could have been.
He had a great chance here and blew it.
Its a no from me (Unless Jimmy needs a punch bag)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KN22 on March 11, 2021, 01:00:19 PM
A definite no from me. He has blown so many opportunities. And just to be a little controversial, I don't think he was ever that good.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on March 11, 2021, 01:08:23 PM
I thought his movement and finishing were very decent attributes when he was at his best.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheBaggieMan on March 11, 2021, 01:52:42 PM
Talk about ‘Hero to Zero’

At one point he was ahead of Harry Kane on the England scene being named on the bench for a full international in preference to Kane.

He considered himself to be the new ‘Pele’ in his football quality and if he had half a brain, could have become a legend at West Brom but threw it all away both professionally and personally with his behaviour - drinking and driving, family issues etc etc.

I agree with all posters - a big no, no for him coming back to the Hawthorns as he would be a great disruptor once more and throw his toys out of his pram at the earliest opportunity.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gazberg on March 11, 2021, 02:02:47 PM
Before the Tottenham business he was great, he really was. That whole affair just seemed to destroy him though and he's a shadow of him former self. I believe he has genuine regrets over the way he acted, which is good, but it's still a no from me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on March 11, 2021, 02:08:46 PM
Before the Tottenham business he was great, he really was. That whole affair just seemed to destroy him though and he's a shadow of him former self. I believe he has genuine regrets over the way he acted, which is good, but it's still a no from me.

and to think he was playing with Harry Kane in the under 23's and really looking the part. It was difficult to tell who was better.

I am getting the impression he will say anything to get a decent gig in the UK again......not at ours hopefully.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gazberg on March 11, 2021, 02:12:08 PM
and to think he was playing with Harry Kane in the under 23's and really looking the part. It was difficult to tell who was better.

I am getting the impression he will say anything to get a decent gig in the UK again......not at ours hopefully.

If i recall Berahino was slightly ahead of Kane in most peoples eyes at the time but tossed it all away.

Yes he's angling for a move back to the UK but not through us hopefully
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2021, 05:14:17 PM
I thought his movement and finishing were very decent attributes when he was at his best.

Spot on this. From that very early hattrick against Newport he looked the part. Scored regularly for England under 21s and most importantly translated it to the Premier League. Totally derailed 90% through him getting in his own way in both his personal and professional life and a generous 10% in having his head turned by Spurs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 11, 2021, 05:33:04 PM
Well I have said it many times on here , I would have him back on trial in a heartbeat. I can't believe how bitter some of our supporters are about him. He was a quality finisher and knew how to hit a cows backside with a banjo.
Listen to what Fletch says about him in the video. I am not saying he can do it now but worth a trial surely, Oh sorry I forgot we have plenty of goalscorers don't we?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on March 11, 2021, 06:02:06 PM
I don’t think he’ll ever get back to the level he was at but worth a trial if available. Just look at some of the poor strikers we’ve had turn out for us over the last few years. He can’t be any worse.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on March 11, 2021, 07:31:10 PM
The thing is with these podcasts, they can make anyone look good with the right host and questions. Ferdinand had Ravel Morrison a few weeks back and people where saying he had matured etc...that still doesn't mean he's good enough or true to his word.

I hope Berahino turns his life around and finds genuine happiness. However, I don't think he will play for us again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on March 11, 2021, 07:48:14 PM
The thing is with these podcasts, they can make anyone look good with the right host and questions. Ferdinand had Ravel Morrison a few weeks back and people where saying he had matured etc...that still doesn't mean he's good enough or true to his word.

I hope Berahino turns his life around and finds genuine happiness. However, I don't think he will play for us again.

I’ve only listened to about half so far,  but they are giving him a very easy ride. It’ll be a more interesting second half if once they’ve built a bit of Rapport  they try to get at him more but I don’t think they will.

I’d have asked why when he admits numerous times how good the pros were with him at the Albion, and how good the environment was for him, that instantly behaved the way he did.

He’d have barely player at Spurs either. Kane had already started moving streets ahead of him.

I know the AJ one got some interest on here, but Undr the cosh is the best football podcast in my mind. Well worth listening to everyone and you actually get some real insight in to how people in the game behave and think at times.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on March 11, 2021, 08:01:12 PM
Well I have said it many times on here , I would have him back on trial in a heartbeat.......

I think a lot of supporters would have him back here on trial, especially if it finished with a long dip on the end of a ducking stool  ;D .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2021, 08:16:54 PM
Can you imagine him sneaking quietly into the training centre and acknowledging his old colleagues discretely, me neither !

there were still large slices of it being everyone elses fault on that interview.
I will say Rio came across far more intelligent than I imagined he would. (my pre-conceptions wrong !)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: frazzle on March 11, 2021, 09:08:16 PM
Interesting that he nearly came back under Moore.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Oldbury24 on March 11, 2021, 09:18:18 PM
Looked a natural finisher, never had to stike the ball hard to find the net and made that part of the game look easy. Without the goals though he offered little.  Not the first or last player to come out of our academy and not fulfil their potential because they moved too early, or in his case just wanted to move to early. Shame.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2021, 09:25:03 PM
Interesting that he nearly came back under Moore.

i'd like to hear Mooro's version !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albion59 on March 11, 2021, 09:26:06 PM
absolutely not, never
100% with you on this Glyn
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on March 11, 2021, 09:26:24 PM
I’ve only listened to about half so far,  but they are giving him a very easy ride. It’ll be a more interesting second half if once they’ve built a bit of Rapport  they try to get at him more but I don’t think they will.

I’d have asked why when he admits numerous times how good the pros were with him at the Albion, and how good the environment was for him, that instantly behaved the way he did.

He’d have barely player at Spurs either. Kane had already started moving streets ahead of him.

I know the AJ one got some interest on here, but Undr the cosh is the best football podcast in my mind. Well worth listening to everyone and you actually get some real insight in to how people in the game behave and think at times.

I agree, the Undr The Cosh podcast is the best. The Vibe with Five one is a bit more question led.

I do truly think that Berahino perhaps wants to make amends here. Not sure he will ever be forgiven for how he acted though.

His movement and finishing as said above was superb, he’s lost that though having gone through the problems he has.

If he came in on trial and did well and we re-signed him I wouldn’t grumble, however, I wouldn’t bat an eyelid if he didn’t return either
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on March 11, 2021, 09:59:27 PM
You just know he'll sign for the Vile and release a gushing statement about how good it is to be returning to the streets of Aston where he was welcomed as a child.......... (hides).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 11, 2021, 10:22:05 PM
One thing you learn in life is, the sooner you remove toxic influences from your life, the happier you will be, Berahino was/is totally toxic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on March 11, 2021, 10:26:56 PM
Saido Who Never heard of him ;D
Seriously though I do remeber him watching him play live at the Custard Bowl for the England U21's against Croatia he scored and won the Penalty which Kane scored. That Line had the likes of Michael Keane in it has played for England Since, Will Hughes me and my Dad's MOTM on the night we thought he could have made it alas he didn't, Kane and of course Berahino. Hughes has at least played Premier League Football and has showed at times some of what Me and my dad saw of him that night. Kane England Captain Tottenham Captain, Champions League Finalist and Berahino who well is now washed up he could have been in the England Setup with Harry Kane being his strike Partner possibly stayed and become a Cult Hero at Albion before leaving for say £50 Mil to Tottenham to join Kane except he has now blown it. I used to love Saido but after what he did no thanks. Maybe take him on Trail to see if he really wants to take one last chance to get back on track and repair his damage hard to do with the mess we are in but other than that no Thanks. And that is hard to say as Berahino brought me many good memories of Albion and watching my first England U21 Game
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KN22 on March 11, 2021, 10:33:27 PM
He had one half of a good season in the premier league. Check his stats for confirmation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 11, 2021, 10:46:16 PM
Such a shame how things ended up with him. A natural finisher who we really haven't replaced .

I wouldn't take him back now. Still can't believe Stoke gave us fifteen million quid for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on March 11, 2021, 11:04:42 PM
Such a shame how things ended up with him. A natural finisher who we really haven't replaced .

I wouldn't take him back now. Still can't believe Stoke gave us fifteen million quid for him.
Bet we are still laughing at that. I know I am 15 Million for Berahino in form would be an underpayment for  Berahino at that time I wouldn't have been surprised if they offered us £1.50 plus a Packet of Scratching's and a Can of Coke for him or just the cost of a Train Ticket from The Hawthorns to Stoke.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on March 12, 2021, 08:55:24 AM
I've posted this before but I could tolerate the attitude of he did the business on the pitch but he has been poor for years, he's 27 and had about 20 decent games in his career. Sad but he's a league 2 player at best now. Don't blame him looking for an easy pay day.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on March 12, 2021, 09:29:26 AM
He had one half of a good season in the premier league. Check his stats for confirmation.

agreed a lot of hype around him, a fair few pens and a short burst of goals at prem level. Consign to bin with numerous other of the ilk (Ravel Morrison / Francis Jeffers for example). It annoys me that he always, always plays the victim card.

Saido life is tough, yes you had it VERY tough as a kid, but it was down to you to sort it out, no one else. You had more opportunities than mostly thanks to WBAFC who you shat on!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on March 12, 2021, 09:41:51 AM
agreed a lot of hype around him, a fair few pens and a short burst of goals at prem level. Consign to bin with numerous other of the ilk (Ravel Morrison / Francis Jeffers for example). It annoys me that he always, always plays the victim card.

Saido life is tough, yes you had it VERY tough as a kid, but it was down to you to sort it out, no one else. You had more opportunities than mostly thanks to WBAFC who you shat on!
Too many people in the world like him act like god's gift and think the world owes them a living and then play the victim when it goes wrong, we shouldn't touch him with a bargepole.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on March 12, 2021, 09:52:52 AM
agreed a lot of hype around him, a fair few pens and a short burst of goals at prem level. Consign to bin with numerous other of the ilk (Ravel Morrison / Francis Jeffers for example). It annoys me that he always, always plays the victim card.

Saido life is tough, yes you had it VERY tough as a kid, but it was down to you to sort it out, no one else. You had more opportunities than mostly thanks to WBAFC who you shat on!

I thought exactly the same thing when I last saw him at the Albion. He wasn't playing that day but got out of his black Range Rover with three drop dead gorgeous girls and I remember thinking to myself then 'that must be tough Saido, which one first...'

Never want to see that little twonk at our club again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on March 12, 2021, 10:22:44 AM
As we come to the end of this year, I would take him on a pay to play basis next year. In his day, I think he had real potential, and if we could rekindle that I think it would be great.  But only on pay to play which gives us no risks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on March 12, 2021, 10:27:13 AM
As we come to the end of this year, I would take him on a pay to play basis next year. In his day, I think he had real potential, and if we could rekindle that I think it would be great.  But only on pay to play which gives us no risks.

do you not think he would be a disruption just being around the club, just too much history, just imagine the media frenzy which would ensue, the same media he blames for many of his problems they will not forget what he has said, and which history suggests he would fail to cope with.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on March 12, 2021, 10:30:14 AM
As we come to the end of this year, I would take him on a pay to play basis next year. In his day, I think he had real potential, and if we could rekindle that I think it would be great.  But only on pay to play which gives us no risks.

Who would be paying who Norfolk?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on March 12, 2021, 10:35:47 AM
......when I last saw him at the Albion. He wasn't playing that day but got out of his black Range Rover with three drop dead gorgeous girls and I remember thinking to myself then 'that must be tough Saido, which one first...'....

Some choices are tough, other choices are hard...... but just because they're hard doesn't mean they have to be a chore.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zac on March 12, 2021, 10:48:56 AM
Listened to the interview this morning and thought he came across quite mature and was interesting to hear his side of things.

He was a player who i really enjoyed watching and i genuinely thought he could have played for England. He was the first player i genuinely had animosity towards after leaving and i even remember going up to my seat early when he came back with Stoke to boo him in the warm up (childish looking back at it  ;D)

I think if he came back he might have a point to prove so like others have said i think i'd be inclined to give him a pay as you play deal and see what happens....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: halifax_baggie on March 12, 2021, 11:04:45 AM
how about giving him a trial and pay as you play for 6 months, lets see what he can do then judge him on reality now rather then the past 8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on March 12, 2021, 11:07:41 AM
We'd have to be stark raving mad to sign him. He's league one level at best now.

What the hell are some people thinking?

If he'd never played for us would anyone want to sign him? Of course not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on March 12, 2021, 11:09:38 AM
Burnt his bridges in my opinion, failed at Stoke and caused all sorts here. Threw the baby out with bath water and had a tantrum which affected his foot ball.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on March 12, 2021, 11:19:08 AM
how about giving him a trial and pay as you play for 6 months, lets see what he can do then judge him on reality now rather then the past 8)

Never mind giving him a trial, he should be put on trial for his behaviour when he was here.

The only time I will ever support Mr Peace and the way he handled the situation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on March 12, 2021, 11:19:40 AM
We'd have to be stark raving mad to sign him. He's league one level at best now.

What the hell are some people thinking?

If he'd never played for us would anyone want to sign him? Of course not.
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That last sentence sums the situation up nicely, too many romantic views of the world, which other Belgian 2nd division bench warmers should we sign?  correct zero, so why this waster?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 12, 2021, 11:57:30 PM
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That last sentence sums the situation up nicely, too many romantic views of the world, which other Belgian 2nd division bench warmers should we sign?  correct zero, so why this waster?
But many seem quite happy to fill the coaching positions with ex players who have virtually no experience in coaching....this guy plays football and has experience playing football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on March 13, 2021, 11:00:42 AM
But many seem quite happy to fill the coaching positions with ex players who have virtually no experience in coaching....this guy plays football and has experience playing football.
A key factor for any job should be character a willingness to do the best you can Berihino has proven he is unreliable and whatever you think of Brunty and Co as coaches ( they are still learning) I don't think you can question their professionalism.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 16, 2021, 07:50:29 PM
A key factor for any job should be character a willingness to do the best you can Berihino has proven he is unreliable and whatever you think of Brunty and Co as coaches ( they are still learning) I don't think you can question their professionalism.
So we should get lots of nice folk in....not hungry,driven, winning, arrogant athletes....just some nice folk?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2021, 07:55:02 PM
So we should get lots of nice folk in....not hungry,driven, winning, arrogant athletes....just some nice folk?

Mozza, Brunt et al. are far more driven winners than Berahino hence the decade long top level careers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on March 16, 2021, 08:13:22 PM
So we should get lots of nice folk in....not hungry,driven, winning, arrogant athletes....just some nice folk?
Brunt and Co are professionals which they proved by having good careers,  Beriniho has failings a character flaw that would make him a liability in any walk of life I take it the hungry-driven winner you speak of above is not referring to him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: skyclad99 on December 29, 2021, 05:55:29 AM
Thought I would check to see how Saido is getting on with the owls fans; not well is the answer. Some great comments on Owlstalk, this one made me laugh;

Bringing him on is like getting a player sent off

I know that a few on here wanted to take him back on a trial basis etc, thankfully that did not happen. Bullet dodged.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2021, 08:24:59 AM
Mr Levey still messing with his head
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on May 21, 2022, 02:33:17 PM
Just been released

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61535059?fbclid=IwAR3C2iSvLhvPsTRJV8tic7E15Otv0xyHBgelmZJSFBQQ96wUaLN5mxt4WVo
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on May 21, 2022, 03:50:03 PM
Just been released

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61535059?fbclid=IwAR3C2iSvLhvPsTRJV8tic7E15Otv0xyHBgelmZJSFBQQ96wUaLN5mxt4WVo

Lock up your daughters.......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gazberg on May 21, 2022, 03:52:43 PM
The "can't hurt to sign him on a free" brigade are out already.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on May 21, 2022, 03:58:52 PM
The "can't hurt to sign him on a free" brigade are out already.

Facebook? Twitter? Both?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gazberg on May 21, 2022, 04:04:14 PM
Facebook? Twitter? Both?

Both for me Dan
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on May 21, 2022, 04:14:08 PM
Both for me Dan

Justification if it were needed that neither place is for me then  ;D .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gazberg on May 21, 2022, 04:15:36 PM
Justification if it were needed that neither place is for me then  ;D .


 ;D

You have a point there
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbasoprano on May 21, 2022, 04:47:19 PM
The "can't hurt to sign him on a free" brigade are out already.

Dear God.... Massive 'no thanks' from me. Forgetting the terrible attitude and problems he brings, he just isn't good enough anymore.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 01, 2022, 10:34:22 AM
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