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Title: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on August 15, 2020, 10:39:39 AM
I thought I'd start a thread on the state of the transfer market in general, picking apart individual deals and seeing where the players we have been linked with actually end up.

The window is open and fans across Europe are getting ever so frustrated because not much is happening and just to add to the weirdness of it all some of the bigger clubs are still playing out the final stages of European competitions while this years qualifying rounds are underway  and other leagues such as Belgium and Scotland for instance have started the new season.

The window closes 5th of October.

A few observations

The £100m plus transfer is dead.

Or at least in hibernation. For a £100m transfer to happen there has to be a generational talent available and there has to be a bidding war or stupidly big release clause. The big two Spanish teams that drive this end of the market are out. Without them the other elite clubs can pick up talent without breaching £100m.

Man United's interest in Sancho might have triggered a deal of that magnitude but at the time of writing that does not look like it is happening. Dortmund don't have to sell this window and are taking the view there will be better markets to sell into and Man United aren't prepared to meet the price.

Chelsea get busy

Having sold Hazzard, Morata and a host of other lesser lights last season and being subject to a transfer ban Chelsea found themselves with cash in a market place desperate for cash. With the added advantage of Abramovitch's willingness to underwrite their transfer dealings they have spent nearly £100m on Werner and Ziyech.  Yet the much touted deal for Havertz has not yet materialised but in general Chelsea seem to be the busiest of the major clubs.

Where's the money gone

Chelsea have dropped some big fees into the top end of the Dutch and German markets as have Napoli into the French market through their purchase of Victor Osimhen for over £60m from Lille. The question is have the selling clubs spent the money further down the pyramid sparking other deals?

Obviously until the window closes there won't be a definitive answer.

RB Leipzig have spent £8m on a player from RB Salzberg who in turn spent £4m on a player from Lyon. The Werner money is still largely in the bank.

Ajax have bought two players for £22m one of whom is a very obvious replacement for Ziyech at fees that don't look greatly reduced from last summer.

Lille have spent over £30m and a very large chunk of that on the young but exciting talent of Johnathon David from Gent. In turn Gent have spent half the David fee on 5 players from clubs further down the pyramid.

The Chelsea and Napoli money hasn't as yet been circulated through the market and it should be noted that Leipzig, Ajax, Lille and Gent are all teams in the Champions League and the money from the Champions League is key to propping up the finances at the top end of most European leagues in the pandemic environment.

Beware the loan to buy trap

On the face of it the Italian market looks busy yet on closer inspection a lot of the deals are the buy ends of the last years loan to buy deals. A lot of mid level Serie A clubs have big commitments on players that in this market look horribly over priced. Special shout out here to relegated SPAL who have managed to buy Kevin Bonifazi (no me neither) for over £9m from Torino that is horrible when you are playing behind closed doors in Serie B.

Is Valencia the new Normal?

Valencia without European football have a big wage bill and bleed money add in the impact of Covid-19 and the situation is critical. Their owners response has been to put the whole first team squad up for sale. Cue outrage from fans and media alike.

To date they have unloaded 3 key players Torres to Man City for an initial fee of £20m think the add-ons would have normally been put into the upfront fee there. Francis Coquelin and Dani Parejo to Villareal for a combined fee of £5m this obviously stings Valencia fans but is the reality of the situation.

There are more clubs in Valencia's situation than say in Chelsea's most are trying to sell as few players as they can get away with to keep the wolf from the door but the truth is many players aren't all that saleable and getting them off a club's wage bill is of paramount.

Premier League 

Cue the tumbleweed gif. Yes, I know Brighton. Aside from Chelsea's splurge not much has happened. The most interesting deal is Pierre-Emile Höjbjerg peak age central mid at a Premier League club with more than one suitor for £15m or a net of £3m when you factor in Walker-Peters going to Southampton. Last summer that would have been £20m plus even allowing for Levy's reputation for parsimony.

Interesting none transfer news, Liverpool's reported dialogue with Norwich over Jamal Lewis.

Liverpool "How much for your boy Lewis"
Norwich "£20m not a penny less".
Liverpool "How about £10m.."
Norwich "$%%$$ right off!!"
Liverpool  "There's no need to take that tone"

48 hours latter Liverpool strike an £11m deal for Konstantinos Tsimikas.

Finally Willian to Arsenal on a free 3 year contract £220k a week on boy that is so bad in a market which is plainly not what it once was.

Overall not much is happening we are at the logjammed point in the market nobody wants to sell nor buy. Yet the lots of sellers who have to sell and a few cash rich clubs that can afford to buy but most the of buyers are waiting for the sellers to blink first.



 
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on August 16, 2020, 01:24:40 AM
Great write up Stan, although the Ramsdale to Sheff Utd fee today might just hint that the market is starting to wake up.

I’m actually really frustrated that Bournemouth are still managing to get incredible fees for their players when nobody else around seems to have. Nearly £60m for 2 players, when over the last 2 years we were only been able to fetch around £22m for our most valuable 4 players, including a player in Johnny Evans who is arguably as good as Nathan Ake (as proved the last 2 years at Leicester). I get the age profiles are different, but it just feels like Bournemouth have been given a get out of jail free card by two incredibly inflated fees at a time nobody expected them.

I still think Sancho will end up at Man Utd for silly money. Woodward is a very poor CEO on the footballing side of the business and he doesn’t quite have the in knack of getting good value. Other clubs see him coming, unlike with Liverpool who have shown with their full back search that they can just move on to other targets who are just as effective very quickly.

Chelsea’s transfer activity suggests they might make for an exciting title race next season and I’m looking forward to seeing Werner and maybe Havertz on a regular basis, but with Lampard in charge it’s hard to tell if he will be good enough to get the best out of them.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on August 16, 2020, 03:06:17 PM
Great write up Stan, although the Ramsdale to Sheff Utd fee today might just hint that the market is starting to wake up.

I’m actually really frustrated that Bournemouth are still managing to get incredible fees for their players when nobody else around seems to have. Nearly £60m for 2 players, when over the last 2 years we were only been able to fetch around £22m for our most valuable 4 players, including a player in Johnny Evans who is arguably as good as Nathan Ake (as proved the last 2 years at Leicester). I get the age profiles are different, but it just feels like Bournemouth have been given a get out of jail free card by two incredibly inflated fees at a time nobody expected them.

I still think Sancho will end up at Man Utd for silly money. Woodward is a very poor CEO on the footballing side of the business and he doesn’t quite have the in knack of getting good value. Other clubs see him coming, unlike with Liverpool who have shown with their full back search that they can just move on to other targets who are just as effective very quickly.

Chelsea’s transfer activity suggests they might make for an exciting title race next season and I’m looking forward to seeing Werner and maybe Havertz on a regular basis, but with Lampard in charge it’s hard to tell if he will be good enough to get the best out of them.

Thanks, the Ramsdale news broke about an hour finished posting. To say I am staggered is an understatement I know they wanted a keeper because Henderson is not going back to them and United might have sold but only for a dizzying amount of money, it might be only business they do this summer. Never the less that is at least twice as much as it should be.

I hope nobody at Bournemouth thinks that they are doing a good job because they are not. Getting lucky with Ake and Ramsdale covers up a lot of bad deals and takes some of the sting out of a relegation that probably should not have happened. The Evans deal was a badly structured deal but it only became bad if we were relegated.

I think the Sancho deal is dead not because of United side of the deal, you are right they do have a history of talking tough but acting weak but Dortmund have publicly pulled the plug and they do tend to mean what they say  which is why they are much better operators in the market than United. I think United might turn to young Jack next that might be interesting.

Chelsea are obviously spending money and are not finished I expect some new defensive options between now and when the window closes but the question mark has to be Lampard and whether he has the nous to pull the whole thing together.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on August 17, 2020, 05:07:40 PM
Latest from Dutch newspapers; Ronald Koeman almost certain to be named Barca manager.  Ajax hopeful of re-signing Luis Suarez.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on August 17, 2020, 06:33:09 PM
The Green eyed monster rears it's head for the first time this summer with news that Croatian under 21 International Midfielder Moro has joined Dynamo Moscow for just under £8m he would have been ideal for us. In other Russian news Alfredo Gaich a promising Argentine striker has joined CSKA again for £8m, he was very vaguely linked with ourselves and Leeds a few weeks ago.

While the fees seem reasonable I would caveat that Russian clubs do pay very well and I think overseas sports stars get some pretty significant tax breaks so are often they are quiet attractive for mid level signings such as these and damn it they muddy the waters that the Albion could/should be shopping in. 
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on August 17, 2020, 07:58:14 PM
Russian and Ukrainian clubs have brilliant scouting networks it seems. They always sign some of the best talents before they are superstars.

£8m for Moro shows you can get players for under £10m if you look in Eastern Europe.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on August 17, 2020, 08:57:50 PM
I heard a discussion on the radio the other day (Guillame Ballague, I think) and he was saying that players in Italy only pay 20% tax which is one of the reasons players are going there to the detriment of the Spanish league. I suspect other countries have similar advantages (Turkey / Russia etc)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: johnny Cash on August 17, 2020, 09:06:11 PM
Russian and Ukrainian clubs have brilliant scouting networks it seems. They always sign some of the best talents before they are superstars.

£8m for Moro shows you can get players for under £10m if you look in Eastern Europe.

It does also give them room to become stars and grow at a level not quite as high as some of the Western European leagues.  Dump them in a struggling prem and they might not be ready, worse their development gets completely derailed. Sometimes players need that and I think that has held back some of the English talent over the years.

The above aside, we should still be looking to those markets though.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on August 20, 2020, 08:20:14 AM
Benfica are the busiest club in Europe and the fees look a little bit chunky and the Vertonghen deal is not the sort of deal that Portuguese clubs generally do i.e. no fee but big wages and no sell on value. . Then I remembered the Joao Felix deal and they are still spending the E160m surplus from last summer.

It is clubs that have particular circumstances and  Champions League revenues that shield them from the worst impacts of the pandemic who are spending "normally" and that is providing just enough liquidity to keep prices surprisingly buoyant. The prospect that fans will be allowed back into stadiums is also giving sellers just enough hope to hold their nerve on price.

Yet this cannot last football clubs in many cases have lost very significant parts of their income the economic impact on many of them who are already not economically sustainable without transfer income therefore they will need to price to sell at some point.

Man United have started to show an interest in David Brooks and Jack Grealish can't see them signing either of those and Sancho (or if they are constructing a team based on logic they shouldn't) the other deal that is an interesting pointer is   Doucoure multiple clubs interested a club that probably needs to sell a player that wants to leave a fee that has potential to blow up.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on August 28, 2020, 09:12:13 AM
Tumble weed is currently blowing through the top end of the transfer market. Seriously for all talk all the pee and all the wind not a lot is actually happening. When the Pierre-Emile Höjbjerg moved to Spurs on 11th August for £15m it was the 25th biggest deal of the summer. Nearly 3 weeks latter it is the 28th biggest deal.

The 3  bigger deals that have happened are Chilwell to Chelsea, Ramsdale to Sheffield United and former Bolton loanee Rodrigo moving from Valencia to Leeds for a reported £27m. Obviously this breaks Leeds transfer recorded and they get their showing ambition badge but I don't get it.

 Someone tried to explain to me that this was a bargain because Valencia were asking nearly twice the price last summer and he might of joined Barca. Not even Barca were stupid enough to part with more than £50m for this guy and nobody bought him at that price so maybe that tells somebody something.

 Now I am absolutely the last person to look at a striker's goal scoring record and think that it is the last word on anything, but Rodrigo's has had two good seasons in 10 but between those seasons he has been  largely ineffective and it has had two seasons since his last good one. He is 29 and he ain't improving.

If you are Leeds and you have £27m to spend on a striker what you do is go SC Amiens with £13.5m and you buy Serhou Guirassy like Stade Rennais have just done (this week's Green eyed monster alert)

There are slew of deals in the pipeline but then again there seemed to be when I last updated this a week ago and most of those mentioned have not happened. With PL squads back in training maybe things will start to pick up but all is still quiet on the transfer front.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: MarkW on August 29, 2020, 02:46:29 PM
https://theathletic.com/2002693/2020/08/27/money-manager-facilities-how-footballers-really-choose-a-new-club?source=user-shared-article

Really interesting article on The Athletic about the motivations for footballers moving.

Can be summarised by this paragraph:

One agent describes it simply as “the three Fs — football, finance and family”. He adds, “Those will be the defining factors at different stages of their career. So I think there’s a lot more to it than just money.”

Goes to show that sometimes it's not just about who will pay the most, but plenty of other things. Of particular interest to me is how some clubs present themselves to players using analysis to show how the player will fit in/be developed
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 29, 2020, 07:02:50 PM
https://theathletic.com/2002693/2020/08/27/money-manager-facilities-how-footballers-really-choose-a-new-club?source=user-shared-article

Really interesting article on The Athletic about the motivations for footballers moving.

Can be summarised by this paragraph:

One agent describes it simply as “the three Fs — football, finance and family”. He adds, “Those will be the defining factors at different stages of their career. So I think there’s a lot more to it than just money.”

Goes to show that sometimes it's not just about who will pay the most, but plenty of other things. Of particular interest to me is how some clubs present themselves to players using analysis to show how the player will fit in/be developed
It is all about the money....e copy when it’s not, but still is

For instance if 5 teams all came in for Pererira at the end of next season and 4 of them (Wolfsburg,RB Leipzig,Everton and Lyon ) all offered 100k a week....and Barca offered 80k a week ...where would he go
However
If the 4 all offered the same, Barca offered 42k a week but Lyon had made it clear that his family would be well looked after and his mom and dad could have an house....then he’d probably go to Lyon

I think it’s easy for reporters to say statements like “it’s not about the money”....especially when there are multiple clubs after you and you know that the parameters of the offers they make are going to be serious money anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on August 29, 2020, 10:58:47 PM
In the Sun tommorow

Leeds and Brighton fighting it out for Rico Henry
Villa offering Watkins 70k pw to outbid Fulham. Also want Behrama.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on August 30, 2020, 08:29:49 AM
Fulham well and truely throwing CoVID caution to the wind. The Helda Costa money, £27m plus add ons for Rodrigo, £16m for Koch and then you have the £20m they owe for Augustin which they will almost certainly end up having to pay in the next 12 months.

I guess they are confident they will stay up and therefore can afford it.

Feels certain that Watkins will sign for Villa too, which should be a good signing.

I don't blame the Albion for being cautious with money in this window as it's sensible, but with our rivals all strengthening, i'd say our chances of staying up are fairly slim. Really now need to have a ling term think and use this transfer window to sign players with one eye on the future. Let's build for long term survival.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 30, 2020, 08:42:59 AM
Fulham well and truely throwing CoVID caution to the wind. The Helda Costa money, £27m plus add ons for Rodrigo, £16m for Koch and then you have the £20m they owe for Augustin which they will almost certainly end up having to pay in the next 12 months.

I guess they are confident they will stay up and therefore can afford it.

Feels certain that Watkins will sign for Villa too, which should be a good signing.

I don't blame the Albion for being cautious with money in this window as it's sensible, but with our rivals all strengthening, i'd say our chances of staying up are fairly slim. Really now need to have a ling term think and use this transfer window to sign players with one eye on the future. Let's build for long term survival.

Isn’t it funny though that when Fulham spent £120m and went down, and villa spent loads and scraped on the last day....people said it was wasteful....now because it’s all about knocking ourselves , they are speculating .

We could go and spend £200m if e wanted, it brings no guarantees and whilst I am clever enough to see we need additions and some investment, I’m not going to dance myself dizzy moaning that every signing might not be a big enough spend or the player that I wanted.
Every single year of following this club there has been a higher spend player that hasn’t quite done what we thought, and a lower spend/ free signing that has excelled.
After pullis, Pardew and Covid I just want to watch football being played well and people back in stadiums enjoying the match day experience.....if at the end we get relegated, then I look forward to Swansea/Preston away and even more football matches .
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: boinging_along on August 30, 2020, 09:14:09 AM
What's the alternative?  Don't spend, accept relegation and that Peace was right and we're nothing more than a mid table championship team? No thank you, that's small time and I have more belief in Albion than that.

Every club will have signings that succeed and some that don't.  Thr ones who stand the best chance tend to be the ones that come with a price tag.

What's even more concerning is that other clubs seem to have money to spend while we just make excuses.  We must be thr only football team in the Prem who is financially worse off on thr Prem than in the Championship.

When the clubs around us are stengthening it makes our job even harder.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on August 30, 2020, 01:39:16 PM
Have you ever been in the bookies and seen the bloke betting on anything and everything. He will fairly regularly shout out as he wins, but he leaves the bookies worse off, whereas the bloke who comes in now and then and quietly leaves with a moderate win is the bloke the bookie hates.

I prefer to think of us as the latter
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: MarkW on August 30, 2020, 02:25:36 PM
What's the alternative?  Don't spend, accept relegation and that Peace was right and we're nothing more than a mid table championship team? No thank you, that's small time and I have more belief in Albion than that.

Every club will have signings that succeed and some that don't.  Thr ones who stand the best chance tend to be the ones that come with a price tag.

What's even more concerning is that other clubs seem to have money to spend while we just make excuses.  We must be thr only football team in the Prem who is financially worse off on thr Prem than in the Championship.

When the clubs around us are stengthening it makes our job even harder.

Wages tend to be a better predictor of success, rather than transfer fee. Teams with the highest wage bills tend to, on average, have more success in the long term.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 30, 2020, 09:08:14 PM
Donny Van de Beek has agreed a 5-year contract to sign for Manchester United. The 23-year old will now fly to Manchester to complete the formalities of the move and undergo his medical. (Source: De Telegraaf)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on August 30, 2020, 09:36:04 PM
Fulham have just officialy confirmed Reed on a 4 year deal for 8m and Lemina on a season loan for £2m.

Good business.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 30, 2020, 09:50:38 PM
Leeds are in talks to sign Joško Gvardiol for around €20m from Dinamo Zagreb and are in negotiations with Udinese for the signing of Rodrigo de Paul for €30/35m. (Source: @FabrizioRomano)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on August 30, 2020, 10:01:02 PM
If they sign Rodrigo de Paul i'll be very impressed. Those 2 if signed will push them onto around the 120m mark with plenty of window left.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 30, 2020, 10:03:00 PM
 :o Leeds could be very good under Bielsa next season. Wouldn’t surprise me if they’re top 8
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 30, 2020, 10:39:52 PM
DEAL DONE: Fulham have signed Mario Lemina on a season-long deal from Southampton, with an option to make the move permanent. (Source: @FulhamFC)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on August 30, 2020, 11:51:37 PM
Donny Van de Beek has agreed a 5-year contract to sign for Manchester United. The 23-year old will now fly to Manchester to complete the formalities of the move and undergo his medical. (Source: De Telegraaf)
Damn it. Probably Ajax's most creative player. Man U will be very hard to stop both here and in Europe. Don't you just hate 'em.  >:(
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on August 31, 2020, 08:26:56 AM
Damn it. Probably Ajax's most creative player. Man U will be very hard to stop both here and in Europe. Don't you just hate 'em.  >:(

It is all the more frustrating when you realise that a player of Van De Beek's quality is going in as a squad option rather than an automatic first choice. I do wonder whether this will end United's interest in Grealish.

Yes I absolutely do hate them.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 31, 2020, 09:33:40 AM
I did hate them, but not anymore..

For wahoo is worth I think it will be very tight at the top this season
1 citeh
2 yanited
3 chelski
4 cheating scousers
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 31, 2020, 10:01:41 AM
Fulham well and truely throwing CoVID caution to the wind. The Helda Costa money, £27m plus add ons for Rodrigo, £16m for Koch and then you have the £20m they owe for Augustin which they will almost certainly end up having to pay in the next 12 months.


Am I missing something, don't all those players play for Leeds? What's that got to do with Fulham?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 31, 2020, 07:50:48 PM
Napoli midfielder Allan has said his goodbyes at the Italian club ahead of his £24.3m move to Everton. (Source: Sky Italy)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: baggies_24 on August 31, 2020, 08:11:00 PM
Think the Van de Beek transfer for £40m might be the best bit of business of the window, brilliant midfielder one of those like Modric who looks like he has all day on the ball. Also means Pogba needs to be at it every game rather than having his usual 6 games of been a world class player followed by 3 months of doing absolutely nothing as he’l be straight out of the team the minute his form dips.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 31, 2020, 08:47:17 PM
Nottingham Forest full-back Matty Cash is close to a £15m move to Aston Villa.

The player and Villa have already agreed personal terms.

(Source: Independent)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 31, 2020, 09:29:43 PM
A team in Saudi Arabia, thought to be Al-Nassr, and an unnamed club in Qatar are keen on signing Mesut Ozil
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 31, 2020, 09:38:44 PM
Think the Van de Beek transfer for £40m might be the best bit of business of the window, brilliant midfielder one of those like Modric who looks like he has all day on the ball. Also means Pogba needs to be at it every game rather than having his usual 6 games of been a world class player followed by 3 months of doing absolutely nothing as he’l be straight out of the team the minute his form dips.
I think Pogba is off....VDB isn’t defensive enough for him to play in a 3 ....so they sell Pogba and play VDB with Fernandez and Matic or Fred .
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: seteefeet on August 31, 2020, 09:51:46 PM
Nottingham Forest full-back Matty Cash is close to a £15m move to Aston Villa.

The player and Villa have already agreed personal terms.

(Source: Independent)
Gutted if he goes there. His uncle is a very good friend so I've always followed his career and wanted him to do well. He's a really nice lad as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on August 31, 2020, 11:20:06 PM
Am I missing something, don't all those players play for Leeds? What's that got to do with Fulham?

It has been a long weekend. Put wrong club but meant Leeds.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 01, 2020, 06:46:49 AM
Think the Van de Beek transfer for £40m might be the best bit of business of the window, brilliant midfielder one of those like Modric who looks like he has all day on the ball. Also means Pogba needs to be at it every game rather than having his usual 6 games of been a world class player followed by 3 months of doing absolutely nothing as he’l be straight out of the team the minute his form dips.

I don't think about United in any great detail but I was listening to a podcast that was discussing this and they made a good point if Van de Beek is pushing anyone for a place in the line up it is Fernandes. As good as Van De Beek is there is a strong argument that they have bought the wrong midfielder they need an upgrade at 6. They have bodies Fred, Matic and McTominay but none that are elite level in that role.

Even more frustrating £40m on the wrong player.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 02, 2020, 08:44:34 PM
Gareth Bale: Wales and Real Madrid star open to Premier League return

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54001703

We need a wide player  :D
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 02, 2020, 09:09:26 PM
Newcastle are on the verge of completing the signing of free agent Ryan Fraser. The ex-Bournemouth winger has rejected Crystal Palace to join the Toon. (Source: talkSPORT)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Webby on September 02, 2020, 11:59:10 PM
Villa signing Romero the GK from Man Utd for 8m. Good bit of business that.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 03, 2020, 12:07:36 AM
Villa signing Romero the GK from Man Utd for 8m. Good bit of business that.
so they have what, 5 keepers now?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 03, 2020, 10:35:37 AM
Villa signing Romero the GK from Man Utd for 8m. Good bit of business that.

Bit premature with this I think. Can't see anything stating that a deal has been done. I've seen reference to Man Utd wanting to make Romero part of a deal for Grealish but that's all.

According to OPTA they already have 4 goalkeepers  Heaton, Nyland, Kalinic and Steer.

https://www.bing.com/search?FORM=QISBDL&PC=QI01&q=aston+Villa+goalkeepers
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Webby on September 03, 2020, 12:51:40 PM
Saw it on Twitter last night and everyone wishing him well at Villa so assumed it had been done!
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 03, 2020, 02:25:10 PM
Bristol City interested in Brunt.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-target-former-west-4480797
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 03, 2020, 07:38:39 PM
Looking at the Bristol City squad Brunt wouldn't be a bad addition.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 04, 2020, 08:49:21 AM
Looking at the Bristol City squad Brunt wouldn't be a bad addition.

Yeah I think his experience would be a bonus to them. I was surprised as I just assumed he would link up with Michael O'Neill at Stoke.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: skyclad99 on September 04, 2020, 09:09:22 AM
Being widely reported that Kai Havertz is moving to Chelsea for £90m. So looking forward to seeing him play in the PL, one hell of a player.......if you do FF leagues then make sure he is in your team!
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 04, 2020, 10:59:29 AM
Being widely reported that Kai Havertz is moving to Chelsea for £90m. So looking forward to seeing him play in the PL, one hell of a player......if you do FF leagues then make sure he is in your team!


against everyone one else but us!

Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 04, 2020, 11:33:29 AM
John Percy Twitter Account

As per reports elsewhere, Aston Villa have made a £15m, plus £5m in add ons, offer for Callum Wilson. I'm told Bournemouth want a £17m fixed fee
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 04, 2020, 11:34:57 AM
John Percy Twitter Account

As per reports elsewhere, Aston Villa have made a £15m, plus £5m in add ons, offer for Callum Wilson. I'm told Bournemouth want a £17m fixed fee

This would be the best bit of business Villa have done in recent memory. Hopefully it falls through.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: wba1993dave on September 04, 2020, 11:36:30 AM
This would be the best bit of business Villa have done in recent memory. Hopefully it falls through.

Not sure on him myself. On big wages too. Also 28 so no re-sale value. Rather have Grant.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: hardtobeat on September 04, 2020, 11:50:48 AM
John Percy Twitter Account

As per reports elsewhere, Aston Villa have made a £15m, plus £5m in add ons, offer for Callum Wilson. I'm told Bournemouth want a £17m fixed fee
Snip at that price. Proven premier league striker for approx the same price as Grant who at this stage is just potential at this level. We should just put a sneaky price match bid in to get up their snouts
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: SmethDan on September 04, 2020, 11:52:06 AM
This would be the best bit of business Villa have done in recent memory. Hopefully it falls through.

And we were offered him when was in his late teens.....
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 04, 2020, 12:00:03 PM
John Percy Twitter Account

As per reports elsewhere, Aston Villa have made a £15m, plus £5m in add ons, offer for Callum Wilson. I'm told Bournemouth want a £17m fixed fee

At that price Spurs need to go get him as a rotational option for Kane. It works perfectly for both players and the club. 

Kane while still being first choice has to manage his minutes if he wants a career that stretches  beyond 30 at elite level and Wilson can either spend the next 4 years splashing around with Villa in the shallow end of the pool or he can go to the deep end and compete with the big boys for medals even if that isn't as first choice. He would still get plenty of game time.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Webby on September 04, 2020, 01:16:24 PM
Snip at that price. Proven premier league striker for approx the same price as Grant who at this stage is just potential at this level. We should just put a sneaky price match bid in to get up their snouts

As funny as that would be I imagine Grant wages would be 30-40k p/w and Wilson you're looking at double.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: johnny Cash on September 04, 2020, 01:34:20 PM
Snip at that price. Proven premier league striker for approx the same price as Grant who at this stage is just potential at this level. We should just put a sneaky price match bid in to get up their snouts

At 22 CW had a less impressive record than Grant. It was also 4 years later he hit got anything more than a modest number of goals in the prem. last year in a struggling side he got 7.  Add the fact he’s had a couple of real bad injuries and his wage demands will be higher and I think I’d rather gamble with Grant who is on an upward curve and will have longevity and re-sale value.

I would use CW’s £17m price as reason to not to justify Grant being cheaper though, or at least only going up to £17m with add ons.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: seteefeet on September 04, 2020, 01:56:15 PM
This would be the best bit of business Villa have done in recent memory. Hopefully it falls through.
Might be biased but I think Matty Cash is better value at that money. Cracking little player, who will only get better.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 04, 2020, 02:09:06 PM
 BREAKING: La Liga have announced that the €700m buyout clause in Lionel Messi's contract is still valid.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 04, 2020, 02:14:51 PM
Might be biased but I think Matty Cash is better value at that money. Cracking little player, who will only get better.

Championship player. Came across as a **** after our games too.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: seteefeet on September 04, 2020, 02:27:34 PM
Championship player. Came across as a **** after our games too.
Time will tell.
His dad’s from Tipton and all his family are Albion, so gutted he’s gone there but think he’ll do well. Hopefully we’ll enough to bin them off when they go down.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 04, 2020, 03:46:12 PM
Lionel Messi will announce today that he'll be staying at Barcelona. Shocker. (Source:
@moillorens
)


Who'd of thunk it  :D
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 04, 2020, 05:05:41 PM
BREAKING: Lionel Messi has announced he will be staying with Barcelona for the 2020/21 season. (Source: Goal)

Much Ado About Nothing, as the bard would say
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on September 04, 2020, 05:08:20 PM
BREAKING: Lionel Messi has announced he will be staying with Barcelona for the 2020/21 season. (Source: Goal)
I bet Jake will be missing his chance to do some man-to-man marking  :-[
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 04, 2020, 05:10:43 PM
BREAKING: Lionel Messi has announced he will be staying with Barcelona for the 2020/21 season. (Source: Goal)

Much Ado About Nothing, as the bard would say

He will never leave Full Stop!!
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 04, 2020, 05:12:14 PM
Messi:

“I thought and was sure that I was free to leave, the president always said that at the end of the season I could decide if I stayed or not. Now they cling to the fact that I did not say it before June 10."
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 04, 2020, 05:13:20 PM
 Messi:

“There was another way and it was to go to trial. Barcelona gave me everything and I gave it everything. I know that it never crossed my mind to take Barca to court.”
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: SmethDan on September 04, 2020, 05:16:02 PM
Have you ever considered taking up a hobby  ;D ?

Ed: ..... or is posting updates said hobby  ;) ?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 04, 2020, 05:25:49 PM
Have you ever considered taking up a hobby  ;D ?

I have that much time on my hands just lately that I'm open to reasonable, appropriate, conventional, legitimate, sedate (my age), non reproductive or associated fields activities suggestions. Hopefully that's covered all conventional and non sadistic or sadomasochistic, debased activities and if I've missed anything, take it as read  ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 04, 2020, 05:27:26 PM
The actual announcement is a hand grenade with the pin pulled out

Lionel Messi to Goal: "I wasn't happy and I wanted to leave. I have not been allowed this in any way and I will STAY at the club so as not to get into a legal dispute. The management of the club led by Bartomeu is a disaster"

In other words I have no faith in the management and I am only staying because I don't want to be embroiled in a legal dispute.

I think Barcelona and Messi might just be better off putting and end to the soap opera and agreeing an amicable split of the CD collection.



Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 04, 2020, 05:32:09 PM
The actual announcement is a hand grenade with the pin pulled out

Lionel Messi to Goal: "I wasn't happy and I wanted to leave. I have not been allowed this in any way and I will STAY at the club so as not to get into a legal dispute. The management of the club led by Bartomeu is a disaster"

In other words I have no faith in the management and I am only staying because I don't want to be embroiled in a legal dispute.

I think Barcelona and Messi might just be better off putting and end to the soap opera and agreeing an amicable split of the CD collection.

They will have a new President very soon, the current favourite being Víctor Font, he will ensure that Messi concludes his playing career at Barca for sure
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 04, 2020, 05:36:28 PM
Messi: “When I communicated my wish to leave to my wife and children, it was a brutal drama.

The whole family began crying, my children did not want to leave Barcelona."

(Source: Goal)

It really is as good as any soap opera you could ever wish to watch, not that I watch any of course  :)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 04, 2020, 05:41:52 PM

Ed: ..... or is posting updates said hobby  ;) ?

So, that's it? I sit here all day slaving over a "hot chip" and that's all the thanks I get, well, well,  I'm leaving.

Wait, no I wont, because, because............................... because I wont!  :D
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 04, 2020, 08:07:55 PM
West Ham are in for Burnley defender James Tarkowski. Bid of around £20m with big add-ons turned down but another offer is expected. Spending the Diangana money... #whufc
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 04, 2020, 08:15:28 PM
DEAL DONE: Chelsea have signed Kai Havertz from Bayer Leverkusen for an initial £72m on a 5-year contract. (Source: @ChelseaFC)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on September 04, 2020, 08:35:36 PM
DEAL DONE: Chelsea have signed Kai Havertz from Bayer Leverkusen for an initial £72m on a 5-year contract. (Source: @ChelseaFC)
Even more reason for Chelsea looking to offload Batshuayi.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 04, 2020, 09:40:59 PM
Not the main news tonight, but hey, let’s be magnanimous  :D

DEAL DONE: Arsenal have signed Dani Ceballos from Real Madrid on a season-long loan.

"Dani Ceballos, Dani Ceballos. He drinks Estrella, he eats Paella, the boy's ******* magic."
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 05, 2020, 06:08:22 AM
Not the main news tonight, but hey, let’s be magnanimous  :D

DEAL DONE: Arsenal have signed Dani Ceballos from Real Madrid on a season-long loan.

"Dani Ceballos, Dani Ceballos. He drinks Estrella, he eats Paella, the boy's ****** magic."

Considering his diet he does well to get out on the pitch at all. Good signing for Arsenal never like to see a big 6 side getting their act together.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 05, 2020, 12:16:40 PM
Aston Villa have now upped their bid to £21m for Bournemouth striker Callum Wilson.

According to reports, the player would prefer a move to Newcastle.

I would as well  :D
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 05, 2020, 12:17:19 PM
DEAL DONE: Everton have confirmed the signing of Allan from Napoli for a reported fee of £21m on a long-term deal. (Source:
@Everton
)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: MarkW on September 05, 2020, 01:10:54 PM
Everton spending a lot of good players but no resale value. Allan and Rodriguez both 29...going to be hard to shift in two or three years time.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 05, 2020, 02:22:24 PM
Wolverhampton are set to sign Fabio Silva from Porto. Agreement to be reached around €40m + add ons - as per @Record_Portugal
. The young striker has accepted to move to PL, medicals already scheduled. Here we go!
🤝
🐺
 #Wolves #Porto #transfers"
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 05, 2020, 02:54:27 PM
Wolverhampton are set to sign Fabio Silva from Porto. Agreement to be reached around €40m + add ons - as per @Record_Portugal
. The young striker has accepted to move to PL, medicals already scheduled. Here we go!
🤝
🐺
 #Wolves #Porto #transfers"

Traore or Jiminez sale imminent then.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 05, 2020, 03:07:35 PM
For anyone else that missed it, like I did, Shane Duffy has gone on a season long loan to Celtic
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 05, 2020, 03:17:43 PM
I have had longer lunches than Fabio Silva's senior career. Happy to accept that he has talent but this looks way over the top and if this results in the sale of one of the Wolves better players then eyebrows should be raised.   
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: kevinr61 on September 05, 2020, 03:41:41 PM
Wolves have sold players for about £75m this summer (Costa, Cavaleiro, Doherty, Cutrone) so I don’t think they need to sell and would be surprised if any of their top players leave.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: johnny Cash on September 05, 2020, 03:48:07 PM
I saw a story a few days ago suggesting Fabio Silva was the next Ronaldo. Interesting signing, but then Joao Felix was the next Ronaldo too and he’s struggled to hit the heights expected of him so far.

Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 05, 2020, 05:29:54 PM
Flip me that was fast. Officially signed on their site.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 05, 2020, 05:33:40 PM
Leeds interested in Rafinha from Barca. 14m
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 05, 2020, 08:17:56 PM
Fulham defender Alfie Mawson is expected to complete a season-long loan move to Bristol City in the next 24-48 hours. (Source: Sky Sports)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 05, 2020, 08:23:00 PM
Barcelona have reportedly agreed a €25m deal with Lyon for Dutch forward Memphis Depay. (Source: La Vanguardia)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 05, 2020, 08:34:02 PM
Georginio Wijnaldum's agent is closing in on an agreement for his client to join Barcelona this summer. (Source: Daily Star)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 05, 2020, 09:21:03 PM
Thiago Alcântara has said his goodbyes to his Bayern Munich teammates as he prepares to leave the treble winners. (Source: BILD)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: kevinr61 on September 05, 2020, 09:23:08 PM
Fulham defender Alfie Mawson is expected to complete a season-long loan move to Bristol City in the next 24-48 hours. (Source: Sky Sports)

His career has really nosedived....2 years ago he was on the fringes of the England squad, now on the way to a mid table Champ club!
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 06, 2020, 09:09:13 AM
BREAKING: Newcastle have had a £20m bid accepted from Bournemouth for Callum Wilson.

Aston Villa have now withdrawn from the race because the striker wants to move to the North East.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 06, 2020, 10:00:44 AM
Thiago Alcântara has said his goodbyes to his Bayern Munich teammates as he prepares to leave the treble winners. (Source: BILD)

Liverpool have told Barcelona it will cost them £15m to land Gini Wijnaldum. (Source: Sunday Mirror)

Manchester United are preparing to sign Dayot Upamecano from RB Leipzig next year with a £38m release clause becoming active in June 2021. (Source: Daily Star)

Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 06, 2020, 10:38:35 AM
Thought I'd do a quick summary of completed deals as opposed to the "imminent"  ones.

A deal that seems to been imminent for the whole summer got done last week when Kai Havertz became the latest acquisition in Chelsea's trolley dash through Harrods. This is not all bad news for the rest of the league as no doubt this will push out some good young talent from the Chelsea squad that will strengthen other clubs.

There is a cottage industry in Portugal that will produce at least one next Ronaldo every year for the next 20 years. The latest off the production line is 18 year old Fábio Silva who joined Wolves for a staggering £36m we will wait and see, there is nothing to go on. I'm skeptical but then again I always am.

Gabriel Magalhães joined Arsenal from Lille that is a good signing young already a very accomplished defender and will only get better with experience.

Everton seem to be in the process of buying a whole new midfield and the first one through the door is Allan from Napoli. This is very Everton can't fault the ambition (they have their showing ambition badge now for 4 years in a row.) but how joined up is the thinking I'm not sure. Ancelotti is a wizard and if anyone can do something with the amorphous blob of a squad then it's him.

In football hipster news Timothy Castagne landed in Leicester from every football hipsters favourite team  Atalanta in the wake of Chiwell's departure reported as a replacement but strictly isn't being a Right Back or Wing back who occasionally has played Left Wing back. But Atalanta have such a degree of positional flexibility who knows where he actually played it's like a zen thing man. Sure that's going to work out fine.

Something I noticed on the outbound transfers Aaron Mooy has left Brighton after just one season to continue his itinerant playing career in China. New South Wales to Shanghai via Bolton and St Mirren and lots of other stops along the way.

Green eyed monster corner is closed this week nothing that's happened out there that I think Albion should have or could have done.

Squad bloat there is a lot of it about. When the Premier League restarts next weekend there are going to be a lot of players in the stands (can they even be in the stands?)  wondering exactly where their careers are heading. Things will get interesting and the loan market will start to get busy.



 
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 06, 2020, 11:26:00 AM
Spurs in for Watkins
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 06, 2020, 11:55:20 AM
BREAKING: Newcastle have had a £20m bid accepted from Bournemouth for Callum Wilson.

Aston Villa have now withdrawn from the race because the striker wants to move to the North East.

I'm sorry for not translating this for you all earlier, but here we go "he wanted to go to a bigger club"  :D
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 06, 2020, 06:39:06 PM
DEAL DONE: Wolves have signed Marçal on a two-year contract from Lyon. (Source: @Wolves)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 06, 2020, 08:08:51 PM
Fulham and Torino have agreed a loan deal for Nigeria full back, Ola Aina. The transfer includes an option to buy next summer. (Source: @FabrizioRomano)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 07, 2020, 09:18:04 AM
Newcastle have agreed a £15M + add ons deal to sign Jamal Lewis from Norwich. He will undergo his medical in the next few days. (Source:
@David_Ornstein
)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 07, 2020, 12:14:15 PM
Callum Wilson's £20m move to Newcastle completed. Good news for England, although it's a hefty fee.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: smethwickw on September 07, 2020, 12:49:28 PM
Callum Wilson's £20m move to Newcastle completed. Good news for England, although it's a hefty fee.

Ryan Fraser off to Newcastle too. A couple of good signings there.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 07, 2020, 02:34:21 PM
Villa offering 20m for Brewster.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 07, 2020, 05:07:50 PM
DEAL DONE: Newcastle have signed Ryan Fraser on a free transfer after he left Bournemouth in June. He’s signed a 5-year contract. (Source:
@NUFC)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: royhan on September 07, 2020, 07:15:15 PM
Villa offering 20m for Brewster.

Brewster is a huge talent. I can’t see Liverpool releasing him, apart from on loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 07, 2020, 07:17:04 PM
Brewster is a huge talent. I can’t see Liverpool releasing him, apart from on loan.

Liverpool are planning on keeping him but open to moving him on if a big bid comes in according to journos on Twitter.

The lad himself does want to stay at Liverpool
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 07, 2020, 07:20:17 PM
Brunt has signed for Bristol City according to local journo. To be announced shortly apparently
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 07, 2020, 07:23:12 PM
DEAL DONE: Sheffield United have signed Jayden Bogle and Max Lowe from Derby on long-term contracts. (Source: @SheffieldUnited)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 07, 2020, 08:11:18 PM
Everton officially sign James Rodrigeuz from Madrid for 22m
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Nocky on September 07, 2020, 08:18:48 PM
I haven't heard much on the Benrahma, Ollie Watkins front....£25m a piece seems pretty steep to me!
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 07, 2020, 08:37:02 PM
DEAL DONE: Sheffield United have sealed a season-long loan move for Chelsea defender Ethan Ampadu. (Source: @SheffieldUnited)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: royhan on September 07, 2020, 08:52:45 PM
DEAL DONE: Sheffield United have sealed a season-long loan move for Chelsea defender Ethan Ampadu. (Source: @SheffieldUnited)

It’s all gone quiet on the Burke- Robinson swap
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 07, 2020, 08:59:28 PM
It’s all gone quiet on the Burke- Robinson swap

Burke on international duty.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 07, 2020, 09:33:58 PM
"WBA Report
@WBAReport
·
25m
Oliver Burke was granted permission to finalise his move to #SUFC by Scotland manager Steve Clarke, after spending the weekend on Nations League duty.

Callum Robinson is set to join #WBA in exchange. Deal should be completed this week.

[@JamesShield1
]"
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on September 07, 2020, 09:36:56 PM
"WBA Report
@WBAReport
·
25m
Oliver Burke was granted permission to finalise his move to #SUFC by Scotland manager Steve Clarke, after spending the weekend on Nations League duty.

Callum Robinson is set to join #WBA in exchange. Deal should be completed this week.

[@JamesShield1
]"

makes me think Sheff U could be the new Stoke City
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 07, 2020, 10:04:53 PM
John Percy Twitter Account

Aston Vile set to make £16m bid for Bournemouth striker Joshua King after Callum Wilson joins Newcastle
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 07, 2020, 10:05:01 PM
Villa going for Josh King from Bournemouth now they missed out on Wilson. 16m.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 07, 2020, 11:28:35 PM
Bournemouth making an absolute killing on player sales. They looked in trouble at one stage but by my reckoning they will have made around £95m if they let King go.

Makes me think we really got done over in the sales we made over the last 2 seasons. Shows why it's worth speculating on Diangana though.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 07, 2020, 11:36:43 PM
Wolves in for Alex Telles from Porto. Man Utd also in talks.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: MarkW on September 08, 2020, 12:00:05 AM
Villa going for Josh King from Bournemouth now they missed out on Wilson. 16m.

Odd one from Villa. Miss out on a number 9 so go and buy a 10 from the same club.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 08, 2020, 12:05:55 AM
Rumours are they are in a bit of a panic as missed out on all first choice targets so far apart from Watkins who has yet to decide.

Think they are focusing on the UK market after last year's disastrous foray into the Euro market.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 08, 2020, 07:03:41 AM
Bournemouth making an absolute killing on player sales. They looked in trouble at one stage but by my reckoning they will have made around £95m if they let King go.

Makes me think we really got done over in the sales we made over the last 2 seasons. Shows why it's worth speculating on Diangana though.

I think it is a combination of Bournemouth being somewhat fortunate and ourselves being the victim of earlier decisions which greatly reduced our income.

Looking at Bournemouth sales

Ake £40m which was sought of defined by the buy back clause that was in the contract and there was interest from the only 2 clubs that might pay £40m i.e. Chelsea and Man City. He goes anywhere else and they don't get anything like £40m. Compare that to Evans who while attracted interest from Man City was sold to Leicester for his release clause of £4m.

Wilson £20m from Newcastle while is considerably less than they were asking 12 months ago is pretty decent considering his age injury record and patchy form in the last year. The irony he is of a similar age and ability level as Rondon who Newcastle baulked at paying a £16m release clause for two windows ago.

Ramsdale £18m For a rooky keeper with some obvious flaws in his game okay he is young so will improve but Sheffield United have paid way too much. Contrast with the £2.8m we got for Foster which is low but reflects where Foster was in his career at the time and probably at the very least fair on a player who I think only had one year on his contract at the time but had done well for the club for a number of years.

We aren't comparing apples with apples here but our fees if they weren't constrained by release clauses would have been more and Bournemouth have been somewhat fortunate.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: johnny Cash on September 08, 2020, 07:20:26 AM
Bournemouth may have had a little fortune, but ensuring contracts have appropriate buy out clauses is also good management. Perhaps we have been a little negligent with ours in the past.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 08, 2020, 09:06:14 AM
Burke on international duty.

so was Robinson. He was a sub in both the Bulgaria & Finland matches.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 08, 2020, 09:52:49 AM
West Ham are preparing an improved £30m plus add-ons offer for Burnley's England defender James Tarkowski.

However, the Clarets want £50m if they are to part with the 27-year-old centre-back.

(Source: Sky Sports)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on September 08, 2020, 09:55:48 AM
West Ham are preparing an improved £30m plus add-ons offer for Burnley's England defender James Tarkowski.

However, the Clarets want £50m if they are to part with the 27-year-old centre-back.

(Source: Sky Sports)

I like Tarkowski, but those are crazy numbers
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 08, 2020, 01:40:19 PM
Watkins to Villa, £28m rising to £33m. Astronomical money for a player who has only ever played football league. He might turn out to be one of the best English strikers around but that is a huge gamble.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 08, 2020, 01:43:01 PM
Wheres that link mate?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: tommcneill on September 08, 2020, 01:50:38 PM
Watkins to Villa, £28m rising to £33m. Astronomical money for a player who has only ever played football league. He might turn out to be one of the best English strikers around but that is a huge gamble.

Ive just seen that....im sorry but thats ridiculous money.

Hes a good player but £33m good? I dont think so...

Looks Villa have panicked and just offered an amount no other club will to get a striker
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 08, 2020, 01:51:49 PM
They are looking to burn over 100m again so expect a few more deals like this ofr Villa
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 08, 2020, 01:56:28 PM
Aston Villa are on the verge of completing a deal for Brentford striker Ollie Watkins.

The initial fee is £28m which could rise to £33m with add-ons.

John Percy Twitter Account
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on September 08, 2020, 02:08:05 PM
Aston Villa are on the verge of completing a deal for Brentford striker Ollie Watkins.

The initial fee is £28m which could rise to £33m with add-ons.

John Percy Twitter Account
If that goes through, I think they will finally have got it right in their quest for a striker, after what they blew on transfer fees over the last couple of years. Sadly, I can see that the fee mentioned would be out of our range, unless we had not done the Dianga deal.   
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 08, 2020, 02:09:22 PM
Aston Villa are on the verge of completing a deal for Brentford striker Ollie Watkins.

The initial fee is £28m which could rise to £33m with add-ons.

John Percy Twitter Account

Phil McNulty not the Perce.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: smethwickw on September 08, 2020, 02:15:53 PM
Aston Villa are on the verge of completing a deal for Brentford striker Ollie Watkins.

The initial fee is £28m which could rise to £33m with add-ons.

John Percy Twitter Account

I keep hearing about post Covid prices but I'm yet to see any real bargains. That kind of money is ludicrous.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 08, 2020, 02:24:53 PM
Phil McNulty not the Perce.

Percy confirms, with a tweet at 14.11.  :D
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: DaveWBA on September 08, 2020, 02:33:46 PM
£28m for Ollie Watkins is an absolute backside kicking.

Also, Alex Telles strongly linked with Wolves. Another Mendes special, tough when you know you can't compete with the resources of the team finishing 7th in the league. We used to finish top half with a team of free transfers and rejects. How times change.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on September 08, 2020, 03:37:49 PM
£28m for Ollie Watkins is an absolute backside kicking.

Also, Alex Telles strongly linked with Wolves. Another Mendes special, tough when you know you can't compete with the resources of the team finishing 7th in the league. We used to finish top half with a team of free transfers and rejects. How times change.
Meaning? Villa paid over the odds?
Sadly, I think they've got themselves one of the best goalscorers for the PL. Just hope we don't see him trotting away celebrating having bulged the net at the Smethwick End, but wouldn't surprise me at all.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 08, 2020, 03:45:29 PM
Meaning? Villa paid over the odds?
Sadly, I think they've got themselves one of the best goalscorers for the PL. Just hope we don't see him trotting away celebrating having bulged the net at the Smethwick End, but wouldn't surprise me at all.

He's never kicked a ball in anger at the top level of any countries league system.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on September 08, 2020, 03:49:47 PM
He's never kicked a ball in anger at the top level of any countries league system.
True, but he's got pace and mobility which is crucial, and more of it than any of the other names we're being linked with. (P.S. I know Burke has pace and mobility, but sadly too many of the other basics missing).  :'(
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 08, 2020, 03:55:41 PM
Fulham going wing back crazy. Following in from Robinson, they are now close to signing Ola Aina from Torino and duth international Tete from Lyon.

They already had the very decent Joe Bryan, so feels lile a bit of an overload.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 08, 2020, 03:58:17 PM
True, but he's got pace and mobility which is crucial, and more of it than any of the other names we're being linked with. (P.S. I know Burke has pace and mobility, but sadly too many of the other basics missing).  :'(

Just a bit of a stretch to say one of the best goalscorers in the PL as if they've signed Kane, Vardy or Aguero.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on September 08, 2020, 04:00:25 PM
Fulham going wing back crazy. Following in from Robinson, they are now close to signing Ola Aina from Torino and duth international Tete from Lyon.

They already had the very decent Joe Bryan, so feels lile a bit of an overload.
Tete is an excellent right back, another from the Ajax school. But Fulham are looking a bit overloaded for choice.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 08, 2020, 04:01:09 PM
Crystal Palace are in talks with Chelsea over signing striker Michy Batshuayi on a season-long loan.

Batshuayi is expected to sign a one-year contract extension at Chelsea before going on loan.

(Source: Sky Sports)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 08, 2020, 04:24:41 PM
Everton are set to continue their summer transfer business by securing the loan signing of Chelsea defender Fikayo Tomori. (Source: ESPN)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 08, 2020, 07:00:01 PM
DEAL DONE: Everton have signed Abdoulaye Doucouré four around £25m from Watford on a three-year contract, with an option of a fourth. (Source: @Everton)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 08, 2020, 07:00:27 PM
Everton going for it. Fair play. Complete midfield rebuild.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 08, 2020, 07:02:16 PM
DEAL DONE: Newcastle have signed Jamal Lewis from Norwich for a reported £15m on a five-year contract. (Source: @NUFC)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: wba1993dave on September 08, 2020, 07:12:26 PM
Everton always spend big but never seem to do anything in the league.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 08, 2020, 07:30:31 PM
DEAL DONE: Manchester City full-back Angelino will spend the 2020/21 season on loan at RB Leipzig. (Source: @RBLeipzig_EN)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 08, 2020, 07:54:20 PM
Rumours are they are in a bit of a panic as missed out on all first choice targets so far apart from Watkins who has yet to decide.

Think they are focusing on the UK market after last year's disastrous foray into the Euro market.
but if we do that we are short sighted and not showing ambition.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 08, 2020, 11:46:59 PM
There is no way Villa should have paid £28m for Watkins let alone anything north of £30m if the add-ons come into play in the final analysis Watkins does not any experience at a higher level than the Championship. Anything more than Brighton paid for Maupay last summer is just a nonsense.

Bayer have just completed the transfer of Patrik Schick from Roma for £22m by way of random comparison.

Listened to George Caulkin from the Athletic going into raptures over Newcastle's sudden burst of activity you would have thought they'd signed Messi and they could but they would still be playing the slightly dull somewhat slow, marginally better than Pulisball Bruceyball and bolting Callum Wilson onto the front of that is putting lipstick on the pig. Apparently Wilson will be wearing the hugely iconic number 9 shirt I guess George knows his audience but speaking as a neutral what a load of old tosh.

Both Wilson and Fraser are kind of okay but oddly enough the most interesting is the one that seems to have generated the least attention that is Jamal Lewis for £14m ( the same player that Liverpool declined to pay £20m for earlier in the window) from Norwich. 

Everton are a bit like the bad poker player they keep losing and after a while you feel bad for them but not bad enough to stop taking their money. The thinking this window is a bit more joined up than before. How can we ever forget when they splurged a bunch of money on 4 number 10's in the same window? 

I like all of the players they have signed but I think they are kidding themselves if they think they have signed peak Allan or Rodriguez but even at 29 both are good enough to grace the top half of the Premier League certainly for the next couple years. Less keen on Doucoure but he at least brings a different skill set to the other 2. It goes without saying they have spent a lot of money on this and they probably need to unload a few of last years mistakes.



Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: BalisPen on September 09, 2020, 02:58:21 AM
Forgot to mention before, that Imo Doherty to spurs for, reported £12m was cheap.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: DaveWBA on September 09, 2020, 08:50:05 AM
Forgot to mention before, that Imo Doherty to spurs for, reported £12m was cheap.

One of the best wing backs in the league for me. Scores, creates and played his part in a more than decent defence at the Wolves.

Will be interesting to see how he gets on in a slightly different system given how well drilled Nuno had that team.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 09, 2020, 09:14:35 AM
Ollie Watkins will undergo a medical with Aston Villa today having travelled up to Birmingham last night ahead of becoming Villa’s club-record signing for an initial £28m. (Source: Sky Sports)

Leeds United are trying to persuade Paris St-Germain and Germany winger Julian Draxler to join the club. (Source: RMC Sport)

Barcelona have made a €8m bid to sign Manchester City defender Eric Garcia.

City value the 19-year-old centre-back at €40m but would be willing to lower their asking price significanty, with the player's contract set to expire next summer. (Source: SPORT)

Manchester United's hopes of signing Sergio Reguilon are being held up by Real Madrid's insistence on a buy-back clause. (Source: Daily Mirror)

Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Groovephil on September 09, 2020, 12:13:38 PM
It would seem Villa have learnt nothing after last year. They'll have blown over £200m in 3 windows.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 09, 2020, 12:35:14 PM
Memphis Depay has now agreed personal terms ahead of a potential move to Barcelona. However, Lyon and Barca are yet to agree on a fee for the forward.
(Source: @FabrizioRomano)

Barcelona officials have met with Arsenal to discuss terms over the transfer of Héctor Bellerín, but the Gunners will only listen to offers within the region of €25m for the Spain international. (Source: SPORT)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Webby on September 09, 2020, 01:49:53 PM
Leeds United are trying to persuade Paris St-Germain and Germany winger Julian Draxler to join the club. (Source: RMC Sport)

Blimey haven't seen this guy for a while but he was and used to be touted as one of the very good ones!
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 09, 2020, 02:09:00 PM
OFFICIAL: Cardiff City has, with immediate effect, terminated the contract of Nathaniel Mendez-Laing. (Source: @CardiffCityFC)

Wonder whats gone on there then?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: tommcneill on September 09, 2020, 02:21:32 PM
OFFICIAL: Cardiff City has, with immediate effect, terminated the contract of Nathaniel Mendez-Laing. (Source: @CardiffCityFC)

Wonder whats gone on there then?

Not sure how true this?? It was on Wiki though so absolute rubbish no doubt...checked Cardiff forums and they dont have a clue either!! He has deleted all social media accounts aswell....something will come out later, must be serious though


 His contract was terminated on 9 September 2020 due to an alleged 'breach of contract. Mendez Laing had his contract cancelled as he was found out to be part of an underground fight club in the Cardiff Area
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 09, 2020, 02:49:16 PM
Cardiff City, club statement

Spoiler, these isn't a lot to it!

https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/club-statement-nathaniel-mendez-laing
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on September 09, 2020, 03:45:32 PM
It would seem Villa have learnt nothing after last year. They'll have blown over £200m in 3 windows.
Wish I could say we'll be signing a striker of similar quality.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on September 09, 2020, 04:03:26 PM
Everton seem overloaded in Midfield now, I wonder if Gylfi Sigurddson &/or Fabian Delph are on their way out?  I was shocked that Delph is only 30, i would have guessed 67
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 09, 2020, 07:50:18 PM
Real Madrid will subsidise half of Gareth Bale's £600,000-a-week salary to grant him his wish of returning to the Premier League this summer. (Source: Telegraph)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 09, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
DEAL DONE: Fulham have signed Alphonse Areola on a season-long loan from PSG, with an option to buy. (Source: @FulhamFC)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: BB74 on September 09, 2020, 08:02:28 PM
Everton seem overloaded in Midfield now, I wonder if Gylfi Sigurddson &/or Fabian Delph are on their way out?  I was shocked that Delph is only 30, i would have guessed 67

Delph nailed on for Leeds.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 09, 2020, 08:27:10 PM
I'd consider Delph as a cheaper option at defensive mid. There will be better out there but if we are just looking in the British market, he might be a good loan option.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on September 09, 2020, 08:37:32 PM
Everton seem overloaded in Midfield now, I wonder if Gylfi Sigurddson &/or Fabian Delph are on their way out?  I was shocked that Delph is only 30, i would have guessed 67
I've always rated Sigurdsson, definitely a goalscoring midfielder and one of the best free kick specialists in the country.  I think we tried to sign him before. I think it would have to be on loan, as Everton, typically, will want top dollar in a sale.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: smethwickw on September 09, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
DEAL DONE: Fulham have signed Alphonse Areola on a season-long loan from PSG, with an option to buy. (Source: @FulhamFC)

Just the kind of keeper we should have been in for. Fulham done some good  business so far.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: WBArgo on September 09, 2020, 09:19:40 PM
DEAL DONE: Fulham have signed Alphonse Areola on a season-long loan from PSG, with an option to buy. (Source: @FulhamFC)

I reckon that signing will go tits up anyway  ;D
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: johnny Cash on September 09, 2020, 09:29:12 PM
I reckon that signing will go tits up anyway  ;D

I think he’s terrible, I hear at the PSG end of season awards he go the boobie prize
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 09, 2020, 09:30:59 PM
I think he’s terrible, I hear at the PSG end of season awards he go the boobie prize

Keep me abreast with the news mate
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on September 09, 2020, 09:34:57 PM
Keep me abreast with the news mate
every move has its knockers
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 09, 2020, 09:38:30 PM
every move has its knockers

Spat me tea out  ;D

There are some nasty en-tittys out there that's for sure
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: wbako on September 09, 2020, 09:52:35 PM
Villa have overpaid for Watkins, but he is still a dangerous striker, far superior to anyone we have up top.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on September 09, 2020, 10:30:14 PM
Spat me tea out  ;D

There are some nasty en-tittys out there that's for sure

Lovely Jubblies !
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: boinging_along on September 09, 2020, 10:40:09 PM
I reckon that signing will go tits up anyway  ;D

Not sure how he'll cope with the winter weather, it gets a bit nippley.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on September 09, 2020, 11:28:12 PM
we'll be trying to sign that Serge Areola next
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 10, 2020, 08:04:27 AM
We have some "budding" comedians on here. Here's to the mammaries.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 10, 2020, 09:30:19 AM
Exclusive: West Ham make improved £30m bid for Burnley's James Tarkowski after seeing £27m bid rejected
@JPercyTelegraph
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 10, 2020, 09:40:32 AM
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang has agreed a new three-year contract that will see him surpass Mesut Özil as Arsenal's highest paid player. (Source:
@David_Ornstein
)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: seteefeet on September 10, 2020, 09:46:45 AM
Exclusive: West Ham make improved £30m bid for Burnley's James Tarkowski after seeing £27m bid rejected
@JPercyTelegraph
Madness.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 10, 2020, 09:51:24 AM
Another player exit at Wigan. Nathan Byrne is having a medical at #dcfc later today. Derby still hopeful of signing Lech Poznań winger Kamil Jóźwiak. #wafc

John Percy
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 10, 2020, 11:24:00 AM
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang has agreed a new three-year contract with FA Cup winners Arsenal. The deal could make him the Gunners’ highest paid player. (Source: @David_Ornstein)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: lewisant on September 10, 2020, 12:00:03 PM
So, from this year's window so far - who are the must haves in Fantasy football teams?

I've made sure Werner and Havertz are in mine.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 10, 2020, 12:07:27 PM
So, from this year's window so far - who are the must haves in Fantasy football teams?

I've made sure Werner and Havertz are in mine.

Same as every year. 3 of Robertson Alexander Arnold Mane and Salah.

I'd be wary of Chelsea and Everton players. Some big turnovers there.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: ronnie_allen on September 10, 2020, 12:40:42 PM
So, from this year's window so far - who are the must haves in Fantasy football teams?

I've made sure Werner and Havertz are in mine.

The aforementioned Aubameyang is moved to midfield for whatever reason this year. I always assumed they would move Salah and Mané upfront eventually but seem to be doing the reverse of that. This could add about 30-40 points to his overall seasonal points haul as a result. Seem to be as many or more Golden boot contenders across midfield so would lean there rather than Aguero/Kane/Vardy for big value transactions.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 10, 2020, 02:04:45 PM
Michy Batshuayi has completed his medical at Crystal Palace ahead of a season long loan. The striker is also set to sign a contract extension at Chelsea before being loaned out. (Source: Sky Sports)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on September 10, 2020, 02:37:30 PM
Michy Batshuayi has completed his medical at Crystal Palace ahead of a season long loan. The striker is also set to sign a contract extension at Chelsea before being loaned out. (Source: Sky Sports)
I think Palace will have one of the best strikeforces in the league if they can hold onto Zaha. With Eze as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 10, 2020, 03:29:27 PM
PSG are set to sign Alessandro Florenzi from Roma. The Champions League runners up will bring the full-back in on a season-long loan with the option to buy him next season.

(Source: Calciomercato)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 10, 2020, 03:58:45 PM
Real Madrid are eyeing Riyad Mahrez as a possible replacement for Gareth Bale, should the Welshman leave this transfer window.

The Liga champions have already made contact with Mahrez's entourage about the move.

(Source: Foot Mercato)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 10, 2020, 04:04:29 PM
 DEAL DONE: Fiorentina have signed Giacomo Bonaventura as a free agent after the player spent the last six years with AC Milan. (Source: @acffiorentina)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 10, 2020, 05:25:48 PM
DEAL DONE: Crystal Palace have signed Michy Batshuayi on a season-long loan. (Source: @CPFC)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 10, 2020, 05:26:33 PM
Crystal palace have confirmed batman on loan
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 10, 2020, 05:54:59 PM
 DEAL DONE: Middlesbrough have completed the signing of goalkeeper Marcus Bettinelli on a season-long loan from Fulham. (Source: @Boro)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 10, 2020, 06:26:11 PM
Gonzalo Higuaín has reached an agreement with Juventus to terminate his contract a year early. He is advanced talks with David Beckham's Inter Miami and should join in the coming days. (Source: @FabrizioRomano)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 10, 2020, 10:31:06 PM
Fulham have joined Aston Villa in the race to sign Bournemouth striker Josh King. #FFC #avfc #afcb

SSN
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 11, 2020, 09:23:57 AM
West Ham are in discussions with midfielder Jack Wilshere to cancel his contract by mutual consent. (Source: Daily Mail)

Olivier Giroud has agreed personal terms on a two-year contract with Juventus that will see him earn €9m. Chelsea want a €5m fee for the striker.
(Source: @DiMarzio)

Wesley Fofana has confirmed he wants to leave Saint-Étienne and join Leicester after the Foxes initial €29m bid was rejected. (Source: L'Equipe)

DEAL DONE: Fulham have completed the signing of right-back Kenny Tete from Lyon for £3m on a four-year deal. (Source: @FulhamFC)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 11, 2020, 11:54:58 AM
DEAL DONE: Birmingham have signed Neil Etheridge on a four-year contract from Cardiff. Undisclosed fee. (Source: @BCFC)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: smethwickw on September 11, 2020, 12:00:22 PM
DEAL DONE: Birmingham have signed Neil Etheridge on a four-year contract from Cardiff. Undisclosed fee. (Source: @BCFC)

Arguably better than any of our current keepers.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 11, 2020, 12:14:09 PM
DEALS DONE: Isaac Hayden and Karl Darlow have signed new contracts at Newcastle United. (Source: @NUFC)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 11, 2020, 01:13:21 PM
Arguably better than any of our current keepers.

IMO he is better. A steady gk.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 11, 2020, 05:25:56 PM
At the start of the window, the 2 loans I wanted in an ideal world were Ethan Ampadu and Rhian Brewster. It looks like Sheff Utd have been able to sign both within a week or so of each other. Contender for the best value window this summer.

Fulham signing Tete for £3m is great value again. £5m for two highly rated full backs, with another coming on loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 11, 2020, 08:51:39 PM
At the start of the window, the 2 loans I wanted in an ideal world were Ethan Ampadu and Rhian Brewster. It looks like Sheff Utd have been able to sign both within a week or so of each other. Contender for the best value window this summer.

Fulham signing Tete for £3m is great value again. £5m for two highly rated full backs, with another coming on loan.
With all due respect, we won’t know till the end of the season if the signings were ideal for the respective clubs.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: johnny Cash on September 11, 2020, 09:01:47 PM
With all due respect, we won’t know till the end of the season if the signings were ideal for the respective clubs.

Whilst I accept that’s true. It’s also nonsense to imply nothing can be assessed upfront.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 11, 2020, 09:13:07 PM
Whilst I accept that’s true. It’s also nonsense to imply nothing can be assessed upfront.
In short...It’s all nonsense. 🤪
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 11, 2020, 09:56:25 PM
With all due respect, we won’t know till the end of the season if the signings were ideal for the respective clubs.

I can't say if they will be ideal for Sheff Utd, but my statement was "the loans I wanted in an ideal world" - it isn't saying they would work, it's just the 2 loan signings I liked the look off the most before they moved.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 12, 2020, 12:00:56 PM
Chelsea are considering loaning out England winger Callum Hudson-Odoi, 19
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 12, 2020, 04:38:51 PM
Chelsea are considering loaning out England winger Callum Hudson-Odoi, 19

If a bottom half prem side gets him on loan, that's pretty depressing. Hope he ends up at Leipzig really, he has the ability to be the main man for most English sides outside the top 7.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: lewisant on September 12, 2020, 05:10:49 PM
Chelsea are considering loaning out England winger Callum Hudson-Odoi, 19

I'm going to make a prediction - suddenly WBA are interested in Hudson-Odoi so we stall on Gallagher then we don't get Hudson-Odoi (because realistically  - do we stand a chance?!) and in this time we stall we miss out on Gallgher.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2020, 05:12:34 PM
I'm going to make a prediction - suddenly WBA are interested in Hudson-Odoi so we stall on Gallagher then we don't get Hudson-Odoi (because realistically  - do we stand a chance?!) and in this time we stall we miss out on Gallgher.

Doubt it mate. Not a position we need to fill.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 12, 2020, 07:37:13 PM
Arsenal have had a £15m bid knocked back for Celtic striker Odsonne Edouard. (Source: Daily Express)

How does that fee compare to £17m for Grant?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2020, 07:43:58 PM
Arsenal have had a £15m bid knocked back for Celtic striker Odsonne Edouard. (Source: Daily Express)

How does that fee compare to £17m for Grant?

They want double.

Edouard clearly the better player but we're not pay 30 million bills for anyone.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 12, 2020, 08:11:48 PM
They want double.

Edouard clearly the better player but we're not pay 30 million bills for anyone.

I was thinking more value for our £
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2020, 08:20:48 PM
I was thinking more value for our £

Well Edouard isn't twice as good as Grant, so we'll get the better deal imo.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 12, 2020, 08:29:01 PM
Well Edouard isn't twice as good as Grant, so we'll get the better deal imo.

That’s what I was hoping for  ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 12, 2020, 08:29:23 PM
Villa. Traore. Offer to Lyon up to 20m all in. French club likely to accept. Wages not an issue. Talk of medical in France start of week. Fulham has been looking.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: royhan on September 12, 2020, 09:02:48 PM
Villa have had a £16m offer, rising to £20m for Arsenal reserve keeper Emiliano Martinez. I wish we had their open cheque book.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 12, 2020, 09:21:28 PM
DEAL DONEL AC Milan have signed striker Ante Rebic permanently from Eintracht Frankfurt for free on a five-year contract. (Source: @ACMilan)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Nocky on September 12, 2020, 09:47:50 PM
Villa have had a £16m offer, rising to £20m for Arsenal reserve keeper Emiliano Martinez. I wish we had their open cheque book.

Where is all the money coming from??
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 13, 2020, 12:04:31 AM
Reports coming out that Benrahma is joining Eze and Zaha at Palace. Not sure how he will get on with Hodgson who likes his midfielders to work hard in defence, but in attack you have to think Palace should have enough creativity in their team now with 3 of the most exciting wide men in the country.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2020, 12:07:57 AM
Reports coming out that Benrahma is joining Eze and Zaha at Palace. Not sure how he will get on with Hodgson who likes his midfielders to work hard in defence, but in attack you have to think Palace should have enough creativity in their team now with 3 of the most exciting wide men in the country.

Despite what they've said publicly, if this happens, Zaha will be in an Everton shirt before the end of the month.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 13, 2020, 12:18:43 AM
Possible, although his stock isn’t what it was so would be a strange point to sell him. Having 4 wingers of the quality of Benrahma, Zara, Eze and Townsend though does seem odd.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 13, 2020, 06:47:35 AM
Palace have plenty of cash to do the deal at the 20m agreed. They don't need to sell Zaha but probably will for the right money as he's dying to get out.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 13, 2020, 08:24:43 AM
I can see this scenario having bought Zaha for £60m this window in 3 years time Everton spend another £60m on Benrahma. In the interim they don't qualify for Europe they work their way through another 3 managers and in a further two years time a now destitute  Farhad Moshiri is sleeping under a half built stand in the yet to be completed Bramley Dock development.

Here's an idea skip the Zaha bit and just buy Benrahma you'll thank me for this latter.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 13, 2020, 09:33:29 AM
Barcelona manager Ronald Koeman has made Liverpool and Egypt forward Mohamed Salah, 28, his top transfer target. (Sunday Express)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: frazzle on September 13, 2020, 09:40:20 AM
I can see this scenario having bought Zaha for £60m this window in 3 years time Everton spend another £60m on Benrahma. In the interim they don't qualify for Europe they work their way through another 3 managers and in a further two years time a now destitute  Farhad Moshiri is sleeping under a half built stand in the yet to be completed Bramley Dock development.

Here's an idea skip the Zaha bit and just buy Benrahma you'll thank me for this latter.

Exactly what I’d was thinking. Take Benrahma now.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 13, 2020, 09:41:30 AM
West Ham are interested in a move for Brighton's 26-year-old English winger Solly March and have started negotiations. (90min)

I suspect West Ham fans will be delighted with this


Leeds want to buy Chelsea's English midfielder Conor Gallagher, 20. (Mail on Sunday)


Aston Villa have had a 17m euros (£15.7m) bid turned down for Lyon and Burkina Faso forward Bertrand Traore, 25. (Footmercato - in French)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 13, 2020, 04:15:28 PM
DEAL DONE: Wolves manager Nuno Espirito Santo has signed a new three-year deal. (Source: @Wolves)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 13, 2020, 04:16:42 PM
Aston Villa and Lyon reached an agreement over a €20m deal over the transfer of Bertrand Traoré. (Source: Le Faso)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on September 13, 2020, 08:50:57 PM
Aston Villa and Lyon reached an agreement over a €20m deal over the transfer of Bertrand Traoré. (Source: Le Faso)
That's another very good investment by Villa. Another name I suggested. Blimey, this is getting depressing  :'(
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 13, 2020, 11:45:22 PM
Despite what they've said publicly, if this happens, Zaha will be in an Everton shirt before the end of the month.
You don’t think spurs is more likely?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 14, 2020, 12:08:06 AM
That's another very good investment by Villa. Another name I suggested. Blimey, this is getting depressing  :'(

It’s a lot of money again for a player that’s lost his way in recent years though.

Wesley (circa £22m), Samatta (circa £9m), Watkins (circa (£28m) and now Traore for £19m. In just over a year, that’s an outlay of just under £80m on forwards alone. It feels unsustainable.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on September 14, 2020, 04:34:49 PM
Where is all the money coming from??
is this the Villa with 4 keepers (nyland / heaton / steer / kalinic on the books already ?
Maybe we should get Kalinic in on loan ASAP
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 14, 2020, 05:37:23 PM
is this the Villa with 4 keepers (nyland / heaton / steer / kalinic on the books already ?
Maybe we should get Kalinic in on loan ASAP

No keep him there. Never played in Premier league he only played 7 championship games for Villa conceded 12 goals in those games. Spent last season on loan at Toulouse conceded 4 in 4.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on September 14, 2020, 07:44:22 PM
No keep him there. Never played in Premier league he only played 7 championship games for Villa conceded 12 goals in those games. Spent last season on loan at Toulouse conceded 4 in 4.
When Heston is fit (October??) they will have a big job keeping them all happy!!!
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 14, 2020, 09:25:28 PM
When Heston is fit (October??) they will have a big job keeping them all happy!!!

Are you sure?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2020, 09:27:25 PM
Are you sure?

Believe the Addicks are interested...
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 14, 2020, 09:53:10 PM
Burnley want Craig Dawson according to SSN
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 15, 2020, 11:38:18 AM
Gareth Bale has changed his stance on his Real Madrid future and now wants to leave the club. Although the Welshman has been content to be a substitute under Zinedine Zidane, he has now decided he wants to play more often. (Source: Cadena SER)


Bayern Munich have made contact with Chelsea winger Callum Hudson-Odoi over a potential loan deal. Juventus and RB Leipzig are also interested. (Source: Sky Sport)


Atletico Madrid will pay £25m to sign Yannick Carrasco on a permanent deal. (Source: GOAL)


West Ham are ready to offer Arsenal a £5m loan fee to seal a deal for centre-back Rob Holding. (Source: Sun Sport)


If Manchester City or PSG do not complete a deal for Kalidou Koulibaly by the weekend, Napoli are expected to take the 29-year-old off the market. (Source: Football Italia)



Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 15, 2020, 11:41:44 AM
Watford are selling left back Pervis Estupian to Villarreal for £14m. He hasn’t played a competitive game for Watford.

It’s increasingly difficult for clubs like ours to compete in the premier league as more and more of the mid level clubs seem to have some form of “side hustle” going on where they bring in young players, often with the sole objective of trading them a few years later. Wolves, Leeds and to a lesser extent Brighton all now signing lots of youngsters for low fees, knowing the market will return them a profit.

Something we probably need to consider as part of a long term strategy. Even clubs like Sheff Utd seem to have a network of clubs in Europe who they loan players to on a partnership basis.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 15, 2020, 11:45:58 AM
Sheffield United and Crystal Palace have both held talks with Liverpool over a deal for Rhian Brewster – but Liverpool have yet to decide whether the 20-year old will be allowed to leave in this window. (Source: Sky Sports)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 15, 2020, 11:52:45 AM
Watford are selling left back Pervis Estupian to Villarreal for £14m. He hasn’t played a competitive game for Watford.

It’s increasingly difficult for clubs like ours to compete in the premier league as more and more of the mid level clubs seem to have some form of “side hustle” going on where they bring in young players, often with the sole objective of trading them a few years later. Wolves, Leeds and to a lesser extent Brighton all now signing lots of youngsters for low fees, knowing the market will return them a profit.

Something we probably need to consider as part of a long term strategy. Even clubs like Sheff Utd seem to have a network of clubs in Europe who they loan players to on a partnership basis.

I seem to recall a few years ago, we had an accord with, I think, a Scandinavian club on a bases similar to what you suggest, but can't remember what happened.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 15, 2020, 05:34:11 PM
Gylfi Sigurdsson and Theo Walcott among the high earners Everton would like to offload this transfer window @_ChrisBascombe
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 15, 2020, 05:39:38 PM
DEAL DONE: Charlie Adam has signed for Dundee on a two-year contract. (Source: @DundeeFC)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: wba1993dave on September 15, 2020, 05:40:46 PM
Gylfi Sigurdsson and Theo Walcott among the high earners Everton would like to offload this transfer window @_ChrisBascombe

Hopefully we keep well away. Both are past it and on huge sums of money.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 15, 2020, 05:44:49 PM
 DEAL DONE: Lazio have completed the signing of Vedat Muriqi from Fenerbahçe. Fee around €20m. Five-year contract. (Source: @OfficialSSLazio)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 15, 2020, 06:55:38 PM
Luis Suárez is now NOT expected to sign with Juventus.

His Italian passport will be issued to him too late for him to sign before the end of the transfer window. (Source: RAC1)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: PartisanBaggie on September 15, 2020, 07:03:45 PM
Luis Suárez is now NOT expected to sign with Juventus.

His Italian passport will be issued to him too late for him to sign before the end of the transfer window. (Source: RAC1)

That’ll give him something to sink his teeth into...😲
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 15, 2020, 07:17:08 PM
Tottenham are also working on a deal to sign Gareth Bale from Real Madrid. The 31-year old is keen to rejoin his former club. (Source: @David_Ornstein)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: SmethDan on September 16, 2020, 07:47:21 AM
Believe the Addicks are interested...

I hur ed that one on the grapevine too.....
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 16, 2020, 10:22:14 AM
22 year old Poland international winger Kamil Jozwiak finally signs for Derby. From everything i've read, he could be an interesting addition who, if given time, will be an exciting player for Derby.

He is the second young Polish winger to come to the championship after Przemyslaw Placheta signed for Norwich a few months ago.

It's arguably a step up from Polish football to the championship, as Joel Valencia found last season, but Poland have been producing a lot of decent young players in the last decade. Could be one to watch.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 16, 2020, 03:37:58 PM
DEAL DONE: Leeds United have singed Crysencio Summerville from Feyenoord for an undisclosed fee until 2023. (Source: @LUFC)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on September 16, 2020, 04:49:02 PM
Are you sure?

Blumen thal, i got that wrong didn't I ?  Heaton !!
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on September 16, 2020, 10:33:26 PM
DEAL DONE: Leeds United have singed Crysencio Summerville from Feyenoord for an undisclosed fee until 2023. (Source: @LUFC)
Skilful, but bloke is too physically small and frail to do much damage. One of Alan Pardew's ADO Den Haag players, who wasn't able to produce the goods for Alan!
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 16, 2020, 10:43:54 PM
Villa in for Rico Henry - The Sun, in tommorows paper
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 16, 2020, 11:33:53 PM
Villa in for Rico Henry - The Sun, in tommorows paper

Would cost them the same as Matty Cash you would imagine, if not more. With bids in for other players too, surely they hsve to fall foul of ffp at some point?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 16, 2020, 11:48:32 PM
I'm not sure. It seems in the PL as long as the owners are willing to put their own money in without it being a loan it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 17, 2020, 12:27:16 AM
Would cost them the same as Matty Cash you would imagine, if not more. With bids in for other players too, surely they hsve to fall foul of ffp at some point?

In the short term no across a rolling 3 year period  they can lose £105m but certain expenditure is excluded e.g. the cost of the academy so actual trading losses are probably closer to £150m It is also likely that the Premier League will give clubs some relief because of covid-19. While not suspending the rules the reporting period is likely to be adjusted so that the current circumstances are less impactful.

 
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 18, 2020, 12:34:12 PM
 DEAL DONE: Manchester United have sent James Garner on a season-long loan to Watford. (Source: @WatfordFC)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 18, 2020, 03:44:22 PM
Liverpool are interested in Wolves forward Diogo Jota. (Source: The Times)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on September 18, 2020, 03:51:50 PM
Liverpool are interested in Wolves forward Diogo Jota. (Source: The Times)
so thats why Nuno said he "is not available for selection"  Mendez effect starting ??
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 18, 2020, 04:00:01 PM
DEAL DONE: Liverpool have signed Thiago Alcântara from Bayern Munich for an initial £20m which could rise to £25m. He’s penned a 4-year contract and will wear the number 6 shirt. (Source: @LFC)

That's a fantastic signing for that fee
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 18, 2020, 07:05:27 PM
BREAKING: In the last few hours, Liverpool have contacted Barcelona to enquire about the signing of Ousmane Dembélé. They're prepared to take him on loan and are willing to pay a compensation amount. Barça are yet to respond. (Source: SPORT)

I though Klopp said he wouldn’t, significantly, be involved in this transfer window?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 18, 2020, 07:26:46 PM
Gareth Bale to cost Tottenham bargain £9m on season-long loan deal | @Matt_Law_DT leads the reporting team

I could never see Daniel paying £20m loan fee, plus picking up 50% of his wages, combined yes
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 19, 2020, 01:26:57 AM
Interesting few days in the market.

Bale to Spurs loan with a £9m loan fee and 50% of his wages. Some outlets describing it as a bargain. Yes would be if you had the Bale that left Spurs 7 years ago but you absolutely don't have that. Question is how good is this version and how does Mourinho integrate him into the Spurs team? Definitely one on the big pile of let's wait and see how things turn out transfers.

More enthused about the Thiago deal with the midfielder joining Liverpool for £25m (including add-ons) on 4 year deal. At 29 still got enough decent years to just about justify the 4 year deal.

Jota also interesting in part because Liverpool are only paying Wolves £4m in the first year and as with all Wolves deals pay close attention to the agents fees because that is how Fosun are weeding money off the table via their partner Mendes. The Silva deal was £27m plus £9m in agents fees £6m of which went Mendes who is not the players agent but he is Jota's so I am guessing another £10m in the Mendes coffers. 

Craig Dawson linked with Fulham might be going for the relegation hat trick.

Green eyed monster corner Freiburg have just signed Baptiste Santamaria from Angers for £9m one of the best Defensive Mids from Ligue 1 for less than we might end up paying for Krovinovic. Surprised he has gone to Freiburg as I thought a team a little bit further up the food chain would be in for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: lewisant on September 19, 2020, 09:21:39 AM
Villa have confirmed Traore
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 19, 2020, 10:38:09 AM
Liverpool are interested in Wolves forward Diogo Jota. (Source: The Times)

Diogo Jota: Liverpool agree £45m deal with Wolves for forward

John Percy
On Diogo Jota’s £45m move to #lfc: #Wolves view the deal as a calculated decision, as Nuno moves to modify the style of play for 3rd season in the PL. Emergence of Pedro Neto and Daniel Podence also key, so Jota will not necessarily be replaced. Fee represents good business #wwfc

TWO DONE DEALS.....
* #LFC sign Diogo Jota for £45m on a five-year contract. Initial fee of £41m rising to £45m.
* Ki-Jana Hoever going in the opposite direction in a £13.5m deal. £9m guaranteed/£4.5m in add-ons. #LFC have negotiated 15% sell-on clause
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: PartisanBaggie on September 19, 2020, 10:49:23 AM

Jota also interesting in part because Liverpool are only paying Wolves £4m in the first year and as with all Wolves deals pay close attention to the agents fees because that is how Fosun are weeding money off the table via their partner Mendes. The Silva deal was £27m plus £9m in agents fees £6m of which went Mendes who is not the players agent but he is Jota's so I am guessing another £10m in the Mendes coffers. 



A football club being run by a football agent.

It utterly disgusts me how low the Dingles have sunk and how compliant their ‘fans’ have been in sacrificing the very identify of their club.

Makes me sick. 🤢🤮
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 19, 2020, 10:51:26 AM
It was either take the money or yo yo between Championship and League 1 and remain irrelevant. I don't blame them.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 19, 2020, 12:05:17 PM
It was either take the money or yo yo between Championship and League 1 and remain irrelevant. I don't blame them.

No it absolutely wasn't the only choice available but to frame it as a choice the fans actively make is just a nonsense.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 19, 2020, 12:14:54 PM
The fans don't actively or passively have any say. That's nonsense however put yourself in their shoes. Would you rather rummage around League 1 or have a go.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 19, 2020, 10:36:56 PM
Leeds in for Daniel James from Man Utd for 12m
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: lewisant on September 20, 2020, 08:40:46 AM
Leeds in for Daniel James from Man Utd for 12m

Started for Man U yesterday and allegedly cost them 15 mill plus add ons so I can't see it myself!
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 20, 2020, 01:41:08 PM
They need the money for Sancho deal apparently.

Wolves signing Semedo from Barcelona.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 20, 2020, 06:11:50 PM
A football club being run by a football agent.

It utterly disgusts me how low the Dingles have sunk and how compliant their ‘fans’ have been in sacrificing the very identify of their club.

Makes me sick. 🤢🤮

Mendes moves decent players there. His players get a shop window, while Wolves improve their team. When the player is at (or near) the top market value they think they'll get for him, they sell him. Yes, the agent gets a big payday, but so does the club. This means they are able to buy better players and improve the first team.

Case in point; they signed Mendes client Diogo Jota (initial season-long loan, permanent for approximately £12m). He was a reserve at Atletico Madrid, without a senior appearance to his name. After three years with the Dingles, he joins Liverpool for over £40m, ensuring a return of over 3 times the initial investment.

They have now used that money to buy a Liverpool reserve who could turn out to be a very good player, and a first-teamer from Barcelona who will improve the quality of the squad straight away.

It might benefit the agent, but it also benefits the club. And by the way, while they use Mendes on the vast majority of their transfers, not all of their players are his clients; he represents the club in deals which bring other players in. They scout better than a lot of teams too.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 20, 2020, 07:15:21 PM
Tottenham want to sign Jesse Lingard in a £30m deal and rescue him from his Manchester United nightmare. (Source: Daily Star Sunday)

Is he that much different a type of player than Dele Alli, if not, what’s the point?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 20, 2020, 07:25:59 PM
They are selling Dele Alli to PSG I believe so he would replace him
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 20, 2020, 07:51:12 PM
They are selling Dele Alli to PSG I believe so he would replace him

So José thinks Lingard is better than Alli?

Both overrated imo, so why get ride of one to replace with another, older, non footballing entity?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 20, 2020, 09:23:04 PM
So José thinks Lingard is better than Alli?

Both overrated imo, so why get ride of one to replace with another, older, non footballing entity?

Not sure was in the Telegraph today. He's out of favour at Spurs and they think nows a good time to sell him on for a hefty profit.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 20, 2020, 09:29:06 PM
Not sure was in the Telegraph today. He's out of favour at Spurs and they think nows a good time to sell him on for a hefty profit.

And Man United are going to accept a fee substantially less than Spurs would get for Alli?

Personally, I think Alli is the better player, but both are overrated imo
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 20, 2020, 09:31:57 PM
And Man United are going to accept a fee substantially less than Spurs would get for Alli?

Personally, I think Alli is the better player, but both are overrated imo

I'd guess Lingards stock is far lower than Alli's.

Jose simply doesn't fancy him.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 21, 2020, 12:21:09 PM
#cpfc have lodged formal bid of £19m + £6m for #lfc striker Rhian Brewster. If agreed, contract would include a buy-back option in Liverpool’s favour of £37m.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 21, 2020, 12:24:00 PM
#cpfc have lodged formal bid of £19m + £6m for #lfc striker Rhian Brewster. If agreed, contract would include a buy-back option in Liverpool’s favour of £37m.

This will almost certainly happen as Liverpool recoup the Jota money.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: tuamigos on September 21, 2020, 12:37:02 PM
#cpfc have lodged formal bid of £19m + £6m for #lfc striker Rhian Brewster. If agreed, contract would include a buy-back option in Liverpool’s favour of £37m.

Even though we're supposed to be in the same league, we're out of our league.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 21, 2020, 01:18:16 PM
This will almost certainly happen as Liverpool recoup the Jota money.

Yep yep makes sense for all.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 21, 2020, 03:37:43 PM
Even though we're supposed to be in the same league, we're out of our league.

Palace have been in the Premier League for 7 years on the bounce, and have money still from selling Wan-Bissaka.

When we'd been in the Premier League for 8 years, we spent £15m on Oliver Burke, and paid Krychowiak and Sturridge over £100k per week.

It's not like we were brasic, we simply didn't scout as well, or use the budget effectively.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on September 21, 2020, 03:48:53 PM
Palace have been in the Premier League for 7 years on the bounce, and have money still from selling Wan-Bissaka.

When we'd been in the Premier League for 8 years, we spent £15m on Oliver Burke, and paid Krychowiak and Sturridge over £100k per week.

It's not like we were brasic, we simply didn't scout as well, or use the budget effectively.

cough! Benteke cough !  all clubs have their issues
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 21, 2020, 05:23:09 PM
#cpfc have lodged formal bid of £19m + £6m for #lfc striker Rhian Brewster. If agreed, contract would include a buy-back option in Liverpool’s favour of £37m.

Steve Parish has asked Sky Sports News to take down reference to Place making any formal or informal bids for Brewster as they have no substance

Steve Parish Twitter Account

We have asked Sky to take this down as it is a total fabrication from start to finish.

We have not made a bid formal or informal. https://twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1308010322054328323
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 21, 2020, 05:40:24 PM
Leeds United are planning a second bid of £12m for Manchester United winger Daniel James. (Source: Daily Mail)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 22, 2020, 06:27:00 AM
Steve Parish has asked Sky Sports News to take down reference to Place making any formal or informal bids for Brewster as they have no substance

Steve Parish Twitter Account

We have asked Sky to take this down as it is a total fabrication from start to finish.

We have not made a bid formal or informal. https://twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1308010322054328323

I wish clubs would do this more often just so the total BS merchants (pretty much every tabloid and their broadcast equivalent Sky News and Talksport) would be exposed as not much better than the ITK twitter account of some attention seeking teenager with too much time on their hands.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 22, 2020, 09:02:59 AM
Parish was very funny yesterday. I loved the transparency from him personally.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: SmethDan on September 22, 2020, 09:08:38 AM
It'd be even funnier if Palace were  to sign Brewster on the reported deal afterall, that would be top s housing.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 22, 2020, 10:44:55 AM
Leeds are signing another Spanish international, this time defender Diego Llorente, who will partner with their german international.

Clubs with managers like Bielsa and a ton of internationals from the very best international sides just don't go down.

It will be hard to pick which team will occupy the 18th spot this season - could be a shock like Sheff Utd or Newcastle Utd .
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on September 22, 2020, 12:05:33 PM
Leeds are signing another Spanish international, this time defender Diego Llorente, who will partner with their german international.

Clubs with managers like Bielsa and a ton of internationals from the very best international sides just don't go down.

It will be hard to pick which team will occupy the 18th spot this season - could be a shock like Sheff Utd or Newcastle Utd or Vile

modified for you ! you are welcome !
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 22, 2020, 05:42:12 PM
Leeds are signing another Spanish international, this time defender Diego Llorente, who will partner with their german international.

Clubs with managers like Bielsa and a ton of internationals from the very best international sides just don't go down.

It will be hard to pick which team will occupy the 18th spot this season - could be a shock like Sheff Utd or Newcastle Utd .
I’m assuming Boris stated a block on FFP whilst COVID is around?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 22, 2020, 05:52:12 PM
Leeds are signing another Spanish international, this time defender Diego Llorente, who will partner with their german international.

Clubs with managers like Bielsa and a ton of internationals from the very best international sides just don't go down.

It will be hard to pick which team will occupy the 18th spot this season - could be a shock like Sheff Utd or Newcastle Utd .

Leeds still conceding goals.for fun despite their spending. They will be in and around.
Brighton newcastle west ham are all pretty poor. Sheffield United dont have any goals in them. Villa are awful they struggled v 10 men for 80 minutes the other day. Fulham and us are the ones really in a mess.

As is I would say us Fulham and villa are going.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 22, 2020, 10:59:57 PM
cough! Benteke cough !  all clubs have their issues

It was a comment on how they would have the money to finance a move like that, and how, just a few years ago, we might have.

I wasn't comparing anybodies successes or failures.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on September 23, 2020, 04:57:50 PM
It was a comment on how they would have the money to finance a move like that, and how, just a few years ago, we might have.

I wasn't comparing anybodies successes or failures.

i read it as you were holding palarse up as a shining example, just re-read and see that I mis-interpreted it, apologies.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 23, 2020, 09:18:57 PM
modified for you ! you are welcome !

Villa wouldn't be a massive shock though, even though I think they will end up being comfortable.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 23, 2020, 10:55:04 PM
#avfc consider loan move for Chelsea's Ross Barkley as Dean Smith targets a “No 8”. Ruben Loftus-Cheek a possible alternative option #cfc

J Percy
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 24, 2020, 09:28:00 AM
#avfc consider loan move for Chelsea's Ross Barkley as Dean Smith targets a “No 8”. Ruben Loftus-Cheek a possible alternative option #cfc

J Percy

Either would be very good signings. ********.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 24, 2020, 09:29:31 AM
Alexander Sörloth has completed his move from Crystal Palace to RB Leipzig for a reported £18m. This is the latest step in the 24 year old Norwegian's career which has already included 8 different clubs in 7 different countries. This has to be one of the strangest career paths which has had a number of purple patches which have lead to transfers that have gone rather badly only to be rescued by another purple patch.

Starting with his home town club of Rosenberg, he was loaned out to FK Bodo and scored a hatful of goals in the Norwegian league returning to Rosenberg where his goal scoring slowed down as did his appearances but never the less at the age of 21 he moves to Groningen in the Netherlands for £400k. While getting a decent amount of game time his goal scoring record isn't great and 12 months on Groningen recoup their investment by selling him to FC Midtjylland.

He spends the next 6months tearing up the Danish League and enter the mugs in the game Crystal Palace who spend £8m on him. He flops, well sort of in truth he hardly plays. Then is shipped out to Gent does okay but nothing special only to return to Palace. 

Frantically trying to unload him Palace agree a two year loan with a £6m option to buy with Turkish Club Tranbzonspor pat themselves on the back for having extracted themselves from the situation. However during his first season with Trabzonspor Sorloth scores 33 goals which is two more than Palace manage in their Premier League campaign.

Enter RB Leipzig who pay Palace £18m for him as a replacement for Timo Werner. Not entirely sure what deal has been struck with Trabzonspor but I am sure a good chunk of the fee is heading to Turkey.

Will Sorloth succeed in the Bundesliga? I can't say for certain but Leipzig are pretty canny operators and they don't make many mistakes but I will certainly be watching his progress. 
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: MarkW on September 24, 2020, 09:47:42 AM
Also worth saying FC Midtjylland are big into analytics, so it could be he is a very specific kind of striker who needs a system to suit.

I can't say I know anything about him
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on September 24, 2020, 11:48:47 AM
Also worth saying FC Midtjylland are big into analytics, so it could be he is a very specific kind of striker who needs a system to suit.

I can't say I know anything about him

I'm no analyst but its pretty apparent scoring hatfuls at Palace is a remote possibility for anyone
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 24, 2020, 01:28:19 PM
Also worth saying FC Midtjylland are big into analytics, so it could be he is a very specific kind of striker who needs a system to suit.

I can't say I know anything about him

Think Chris Wood and that's about right. Whether he is better technically difficult to say although I am fairly certain Chris would also have a field day in Turkey.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 24, 2020, 02:40:04 PM
DEAL DONE: Real Sociedad have announced the sale of Diego Llorente to Leeds United. Fee around €25m. (Source: @RealSociedadEN)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 24, 2020, 09:22:49 PM
Prepare for Standaman's tearful breakdown.....Southampton have identified Ibrahim Sangare from Toulouse as the replacement for Hojberg.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: baggiebof on September 24, 2020, 10:11:14 PM
Prepare for Standaman's tearful breakdown.....Southampton have identified Ibrahim Sangare from Toulouse as the replacement for Hojberg.

Yes would have been perfect for us had we prioritised that type of central midfielder and were willing to look outside of England for players.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 24, 2020, 10:45:26 PM
Prepare for Standaman's tearful breakdown.....Southampton have identified Ibrahim Sangare from Toulouse as the replacement for Hojberg.

I need support right now this is difficult to bare. The view from Southampton was they didn't need to replace Hojberg but two very modest performances in and they have figured out they do but why does it have to be him!! And for around £7m *dissolves into floods of tears.

Deep breath that's it I'm over it. Now Uros Racic there's a player.... 
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: MarkW on September 24, 2020, 11:16:42 PM
Two names, defensive midfielders. Not linked, but I'd hope we look at them:

Ibrahim Sangaré - 22 years old - at Toulouse. Going into his final year of contract so should be cheap-ish. Toulouse also went down to Ligue 2 so again should be cheap. Seems he's a strong tackler which is what we need alongside Sawyers.



I do wish Ralph would find his own transfer targets  :P
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2020, 08:27:49 AM
I do wish Ralph would find his on transfer targets  :P

Sorry Mark, I knew somebody else had mentioned him as well 😁
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on September 25, 2020, 10:09:56 AM
I need support right now this is difficult to bare. The view from Southampton was they didn't need to replace Hojberg but two very modest performances in and they have figured out they do but why does it have to be him!! And for around £7m *dissolves into floods of tears.

Deep breath that's it I'm over it. Now Uros Racic there's a player....
Another -ic to scratch (thanks Dan), sounds ideal !
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 26, 2020, 09:35:32 AM
Leeds are signing Gyrano Kerk from Utrecht for around £9m. Starting to feel like they are signing players for the sake of it now.

God knows what their outlay is for this summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: SmethDan on September 26, 2020, 11:56:54 AM
But I thought they had a coherent plan and recruitment strategy? At least I read they did on a football forum somewhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 27, 2020, 08:06:23 AM
They have smeth, up to this point. They have signed a number of "ones for the future" for very low fees and for their first team they have signed high pedigree internationals.

With the likely Augustin outlay in the next 12 months though, surely they have to be careful not to overstretch themselves. They must be very confident of survival.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 27, 2020, 09:52:53 AM
They have smeth, up to this point. They have signed a number of "ones for the future" for very low fees and for their first team they have signed high pedigree internationals.

With the likely Augustin outlay in the next 12 months though, surely they have to be careful not to overstretch themselves. They must be very confident of survival.

They have spent money. Have they spent it wisely? Time will tell. However the Augustin deal does speak to a problem they have and one which I think might haunt them. Bielsa burns players they either fit his system or they are discarded very quickly.

Augustin lasted about a month before being pretty much abandoned. Obviously the Leeds ownership is prepared to bankroll losses but it is not a bottomless pit of money and there comes a point where burning £20m can't be sustained.

It will be interesting to see how many of their signings are still in the team at Christmas.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 27, 2020, 08:51:24 PM
Leeds United are in advanced talks with Bayern Munich to sign Michaël Cuisance for around €20m. (Source: L'Equipe)

When will this obscenity end?  ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: baggies_24 on September 27, 2020, 08:56:22 PM
Jesus wept how much are Leeds spending, as a fan they must be concerned a lot of years in the wilderness last time they went belly up financially.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: MarkW on September 28, 2020, 02:03:30 PM
 
Sorry Mark, I knew somebody else had mentioned him as well 😁

He's only gone and moved to PSV!  :'(
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 29, 2020, 07:44:07 PM
Dortmund have rejected a bid worth €100m from Manchester United for Jadon Sancho. Offer was €80m + €20m bonuses. (Source: Sky Germany)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 29, 2020, 08:12:42 PM
BREAKING: Leeds United have reached an agreement with Bayern Munich for Mickaël Cuisance in a deal worth £20m.

The fee represents a profit of £10m for Bayern after his move from last year.

(Source: @David_Ornstein)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 29, 2020, 08:25:19 PM
Leeds want to sign a winger before the transfer window shuts and Daniel James is their number one target. (Source: The Athletic)

They failed to sign him before
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 29, 2020, 09:18:41 PM
DEAL DONE: Manchester City have announced the £64m signing of Rúben Dias from Benfica. He has penned a 6-year contract. (Source: @ManCity)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 29, 2020, 09:21:19 PM
Leeds want to sign a winger before the transfer window shuts and Daniel James is their number one target. (Source: The Athletic)

They failed to sign him before


YEah it's on the Leeds FC documentary on Amazon. Have you seen that bit? Deal was done and player was sat there, passed his medical, terms agreed, had his pohtos taken and then Swansea board had an interna fallout with them and owners and just refused to answer phone to Leeds board.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on September 29, 2020, 09:22:16 PM
Bayern Munich being linked with Mario Mandzukic as back up for Lewandowsky. (German RTL). If there was any serious interest from us, this would seem to underline how unrealistic that was.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 29, 2020, 09:57:35 PM

YEah it's on the Leeds FC documentary on Amazon. Have you seen that bit? Deal was done and player was sat there, passed his medical, terms agreed, had his pohtos taken and then Swansea board had an interna fallout with them and owners and just refused to answer phone to Leeds board.

Yes, I watched earlier today. It was obviously heartbreaking for all concerned. All was going well until the final hour of that window and it just fell apart because of boardroom politics at Swansea.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on September 30, 2020, 07:01:42 AM
Still reeling from the shock of Sangare going to PSV ahead of Southampton news breaks today that Rennes have signed Alfred Gomis from Dijon to replace Chelsea bound Mendy. In a deal worth up £15.5m but with £9m being actually guaranteed.

Rennes are just very good at this transfer thing and are obviously data driven because nearly always their targets jump off the page when you look at the data. 
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 30, 2020, 10:29:34 AM
Still reeling from the shock of Sangare going to PSV ahead of Southampton news breaks today that Rennes have signed Alfred Gomis from Dijon to replace Chelsea bound Mendy. In a deal worth up £15.5m but with £9m being actually guaranteed.

Rennes are just very good at this transfer thing and are obviously data driven because nearly always their targets jump off the page when you look at the data. 

But I thought the market was impossible on a budget?

I guess skilled operators find a way 👾
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on September 30, 2020, 10:31:36 AM
Ross Barkley signs for Villa, completely out of the blue.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 30, 2020, 10:32:00 AM
Ross Barkley has signed for AVFC on season long loan
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on September 30, 2020, 10:32:44 AM
Ross Barkley signs for Villa, completely out of the blue.

Was reported a few days ago tbf
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 30, 2020, 02:57:18 PM
Fulham getting Lookman in.

Decent player but not remotely where they need to strengthen.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on September 30, 2020, 05:20:27 PM
Everton make £26m bid for Norwich central defender Ben Godfrey
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on October 01, 2020, 09:09:27 AM
Today's topic is squad bloat. A rough guess there are about 300 players across the big five leagues that clubs would like to unload and with less than a week to go either the market springs to life (which it always does) or there is going to be an awful lot of disgruntled players and unhappy executives paying for squads that are too big from much reduced revenue.

Half the Premier League squads have 30 or more players in them. 8 Bundesliga squads 15 in Serie A, 5 in Ligue 1 and just 1 in La Liga. That's not to say that a squad with 28 players particularly at a club without European football could not lose a couple of players, but almost nobody needs 30 players.

Yet most fans would add at least a couple of players to those squads.

We are in for an interesting few days. 
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on October 01, 2020, 09:35:25 AM
I wonder who will end up picking up the best loan deal of the final week?

There is always a good loan move to be had on the final week, so it would be great if we end up benefiting.

Rhian Brewster, Curtis Jones, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Tiémoué Bakayoko, Taylor Harwood-Bellis, Tommy Doyle, Ryan Sessegnon and Dele Alli look the best of those potentially available.

I'd love Sessegnon to fill the left back birth - especially if Bilic persists with 5 at the back
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: johnny Cash on October 01, 2020, 10:23:30 AM
I wonder who will end up picking up the best loan deal of the final week?

There is always a good loan move to be had on the final week, so it would be great if we end up benefiting.

Rhian Brewster, Curtis Jones, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Tiémoué Bakayoko, Taylor Harwood-Bellis, Tommy Doyle, Ryan Sessegnon and Dele Alli look the best of those potentially available.

I'd love Sessegnon to fill the left back birth - especially if Bilic persists with 5 at the back

As exciting as some of those young attacking midfielders are, we don't need one. Brewster, Loftus Cheek, Bakayoko and Sessegnon would all solve a problem for us though, and improve us massively but obviously with Gallagher here, Bakayoko and LC arent available to us.

I think Brewster will go on a loan with an option to buy to a better placed club so Sess is the only one I could see potentially happening.




Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on October 01, 2020, 10:25:32 AM
I wonder who will end up picking up the best loan deal of the final week?

There is always a good loan move to be had on the final week, so it would be great if we end up benefiting.

Rhian Brewster, Curtis Jones, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Tiémoué Bakayoko, Taylor Harwood-Bellis, Tommy Doyle, Ryan Sessegnon and Dele Alli look the best of those potentially available.

I'd love Sessegnon to fill the left back birth - especially if Bilic persists with 5 at the back

Spurs in general are in a interesting spot. They have 30 players but would probably let about 5 or 6 players go and would bring in no more than four in.

Danny Rose is plainly for sale and there is no interest. Wages age etc.. count against him but he's not a bad player.

Dele Alli out of favour and in truth not been great for at least a season now if someone would come in with an offer in the £40m to £50m range I think even Levy would snap their hand off. It is a typical "showing ambition signing" that an Everton or West Ham would have made in the past but unfortunately for Spurs they are either skint or wised up. A loan kind of makes sense but more likely abroad than in England.

Sessegnon is not going to play while Mourinho is there probably needs to nail down his long term position winger/wingback/full back, and loan would help the player. Would massively improve most bottom half Premier Leagues teams.

On paper they have a lot of Centre Backs particularly as Dier is being played there Foyth and Carter Vickers are near certain to leave although both have squad numbers which is more than Danny Rose has.

Serge Aurier is too good to be back up to Mat Doherty who is still not the RB they need but whatever.

The midfield there is lots of it probably could lose a couple but which two I don't know. Why is Gleeson Fernandes there? Makes no sense for player nor club.

Despite having lots of Centre Backs they probably need a really good one and a back up option for Kane and unlike in previous seasons that player will get game time.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on October 01, 2020, 07:56:34 PM
John Percy Twitter Account

“ Everton's second bid of £25m plus add-ons for Norwich defender Ben Godfrey has been accepted tonight. Godfrey set for medical in next 24 hours #efc #ncfc”
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on October 01, 2020, 07:57:11 PM
Michaël Cuisance's move to Leeds United has fallen through. Bayern Munich and Leeds couldn't agree on a buy-back clause. (Source: @FabrizioRomano/@PhilHay_)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on October 01, 2020, 09:02:11 PM
Weird, the Athletic have done a feature saying he failed his medical. Who knows!?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Adamstv on October 02, 2020, 09:19:18 AM
Brewster going to Sheffield Utd - £23.5m for an unproven Premier league player with potential. Hope Huddersfield don’t use that for Grant as a barometer!!
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 02, 2020, 09:26:37 AM
Brewster going to Sheffield Utd - £23.5m for an unproven Premier league player with potential. Hope Huddersfield don’t use that for Grant as a barometer!!

moving from one Premier league club to another though not from one in the Championship.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on October 02, 2020, 09:29:37 AM
Vladimir Coufal: West Ham sign Slavia Prague right-back for £5.4m
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: WBA.R.K on October 02, 2020, 09:43:15 AM
Brewster going to Sheffield Utd - £23.5m for an unproven Premier league player with potential. Hope Huddersfield don’t use that for Grant as a barometer!!

Makes me think of the Solanke deal to Bournemouth
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on October 02, 2020, 10:26:28 AM
Brewster going to Sheffield Utd - £23.5m for an unproven Premier league player with potential. Hope Huddersfield don’t use that for Grant as a barometer!!

Liverpool seem to be able to dominate the transfer market now. I would never do business with them. They have squeezed £23.5m out of Brewster, plus have a sell on clause AND a buy back clause (probably £34m range).

That's a hugely restrictive deal for Sheff Utd, but Liverpool pride themselves on being able to bully smaller clubs into doing what they want.

I think for Utd it's a good signing. Brewster looks premier league quality, with his strength, speed, shot and movement all being great. I was looking at Sheff Utd as being a potential relegation rival, but this signing might just be the missing goal scoring piece for them.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on October 02, 2020, 10:51:51 AM
The Brewster deal is very bad and I like the player a lot but this can never turn out well for Sheffield United.

 All directors of football should print out a big sign and pin it above their desks with the most important 3 words in football recruitment.  REMEMBER JORDAN IBE.  Now you are ready to talk to Liverpool about one of their  largely unproven young players.

Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: johnny Cash on October 02, 2020, 11:03:54 AM
if the buy back clause on Brewster is true, it is deal weighted very heavily in Liverpool's favour.

However I wouldn't say it cannot work out for Sheffield United. If he helps them stay up for a couple of years and then they make £10-15m then that its hardly bad is it.

The downside isn't that bad either. The kid has just hit 10 goals in the championship in his first 20 senior games, as a 20 year old right now.  If he doesn't make it in the top flight the bottom end of his range is still likely £10-£15m for a good few years yet. 



Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on October 02, 2020, 11:24:22 AM
Southampton have made a bid for Brest midfielder Ibrahima Diallo.

Is he one of those mentioned by Stan or Mark?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 02, 2020, 11:30:23 AM
Southampton have made a bid for Brest midfielder Ibrahima Diallo.

Is he one of those mentioned by Stan or Mark?
different one, we’re linked with Habib Diallo of Metz.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on October 02, 2020, 11:40:29 AM
if the buy back clause on Brewster is true, it is deal weighted very heavily in Liverpool's favour.

However I wouldn't say it cannot work out for Sheffield United. If he helps them stay up for a couple of years and then they make £10-15m then that its hardly bad is it.

The downside isn't that bad either. The kid has just hit 10 goals in the championship in his first 20 senior games, as a 20 year old right now.  If he doesn't make it in the top flight the bottom end of his range is still likely £10-£15m for a good few years yet.

Okay the assumptions are piling up here and they may prove to be correct but they may not. With any transfer even ones that look quiet good at the outset a 100% loss is always available, which is why Jordan Ibe is so very relevant here. Against this Sheffield United have capped any profit they make from the deal at around £10.5m.

What makes it worse is that should things not work out and Sheffield United end up selling at a future date for £10m Liverpool have £1.5m of that fee and Sheffield United are nursing a loss of £13m

The other assumption is there is a market outside the English top flight that will pay £10m plus for a player who hasn't confirmed his early promise which cushions the downside, I know that place used to be called the Championship but I suspect that might not be case now or even in the future.

Southampton have made a bid for Brest midfielder Ibrahima Diallo.

Is he one of those mentioned by Stan or Mark?

Diallo seems to be the Senegalese equivalent of "Smith" there are a lot of them scattered around French football.  No "mine" is Habib
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: MarkW on October 02, 2020, 11:45:33 AM
Southampton have made a bid for Brest midfielder Ibrahima Diallo.

Is he one of those mentioned by Stan or Mark?

Don't think he was one I saw, either. Was a guy from an Eastern European league, along with Sangare
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: johnny Cash on October 02, 2020, 11:56:47 AM
Okay the assumptions are piling up here and they may prove to be correct but they may not. With any transfer even ones that look quiet good at the outset a 100% loss is always available, which is why Jordan Ibe is so very relevant here. Against this Sheffield United have capped any profit they make from the deal at around £10.5m.

What makes it worse is that should things not work out and Sheffield United end up selling at a future date for £10m Liverpool have £1.5m of that fee and Sheffield United are nursing a loss of £13m

The other assumption is there is a market outside the English top flight that will pay £10m plus for a player who hasn't confirmed his early promise which cushions the downside, I know that place used to be called the Championship but I suspect that might not be case now or even in the future.


True, I did make some assumptions, but only in response to your absolute that it cannot work out for Sheffield United. We are also assuming the numbers are accurate. I suspect the buy back has some terms and restrictions, and I imagine the sell on is only on any profit.

The part missing when talking about capped profit is the value he has while at the club which is harder to quantify but could be huge if he players a big part in the clubs development.

There was discussions about us paying £5m for Grant, in a situation where he goes back to Huddesfield if he goes down and people were ok with that. Well I genuinely feel that you'd get £10m for Brewster in two years time, even if it goes terribly. So consider it £5m a year for a two year loan at which point you might cut your loses or if it goes well you may see a player go back to Liverpool and make some money.

If Watkins is £28m, and Grant is £18m. This isn't a terrible deal for a lad who is streets ahead of where either of those were at 20 and has always been incredibly highly rated.

Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: SmethDan on October 02, 2020, 12:16:10 PM
General point, Brewster's on a different level to Ibe.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on October 02, 2020, 05:44:25 PM
DEAL DONE: Rhian Brewster has joined Sheffield United from Liverpool on a five-year contract for £23.5m. The Reds have a 15% sell-on clause and a buy-back option. (Source: @SheffieldUnited)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on October 02, 2020, 06:03:45 PM
Not sure whether Blades have been done over or not there. How much is the buy back?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on October 02, 2020, 06:42:54 PM
German media reports suggesting talks between Chelsea and Bayern over the sale of Hudson-Odoi are at an advanced stage.

Great news for the English national team. A player out of favour at Chelsea, going to the best club side in the world in the lead up to a very winnable Euro's and World Cup.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: johnny Cash on October 02, 2020, 06:58:12 PM
German media reports suggesting talks between Chelsea and Bayern over the sale of Hudson-Odoi are at an advanced stage.

Great news for the English national team. A player out of favour at Chelsea, going to the best club side in the world in the lead up to a very winnable Euro's and World Cup.

Unless of course he just goes and sits on the bench there too.  Sane and Gnabry are both excellent.

It makes a mockery of Chelsea’s promises to him a year ago to sign a new deal though. Young players are better off away from Chelsea if they’ve not come with a big price tag.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on October 02, 2020, 07:28:34 PM
Bayern traditionally have a better pathway for players than Chelsea do. He will likely get lots of minutes from the bench and is in a more forgiving environment.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: johnny Cash on October 02, 2020, 08:24:16 PM
Bayern traditionally have a better pathway for players than Chelsea do. He will likely get lots of minutes from the bench and is in a more forgiving environment.

Bayern’s traditional pathway for players is excelling at another bundesliga club!

Although arriving with a price tag does generally mean players have more opportunity So you are probably right that he’ll get a decent level of minutes.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on October 02, 2020, 11:18:45 PM
Glad to see Burnley have walked away from Liverpool's Harry Wilson valuation (£20m for those asking).

Of course, twitter being twitter, Liverpool fans think i'm mad for not agreeing with Liverpool FC that £20m is a realistic price for a 23 year old wide man who they are actively trying to sell, who can't get into their team and who struggled to hold down a starting birth at a club relegated last season. Got to love Liverpool fandls.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on October 03, 2020, 09:01:24 AM
Glad to see Burnley have walked away from Liverpool's Harry Wilson valuation (£20m for those asking).

Of course, twitter being twitter, Liverpool fans think i'm mad for not agreeing with Liverpool FC that £20m is a realistic price for a 23 year old wide man who they are actively trying to sell, who can't get into their team and who struggled to hold down a starting birth at a club relegated last season. Got to love Liverpool fandls.

This is the big difference this window the best players are holding value maybe not quite what it might have been but deals are being done. However players who are expensive for the level with question marks over their ability or attitude aren't moving at all.

Sorry, Liverpool can't buy Tiago for £20m and sell Harry Wilson in the same window for the same price. While I know they are at different stages of their career  Tiago is a top class midfielder and Wilson is an average top tier professional with a bit of potential.

Too frequently clubs like Burnley have helped out clubs like Liverpool by buying their rejects for too much money, would be delighted if this starts a trend.

 

Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: smethwickw on October 03, 2020, 09:53:22 AM
If Diangana is worth £18m then surely Wilson is worth £20m. Wilson has had 2 good seasons in the Champ and 1 in the Prem.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: johnny Cash on October 03, 2020, 09:58:39 AM
If Diangana is worth £18m then surely Wilson is worth £20m. Wilson has had 2 good seasons in the Champ and 1 in the Prem.

I don’t think we paid £18m for Diangana. I think the initial reports of £12-13 rising to £18m are more likely true.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on October 03, 2020, 10:42:55 AM
Diangana is £12m rising to £18m if certain conditions are met. Wilson had a good start to last season but tailed off badly. I wouldn't say that Wilson is very obviously the better player. However Bertrand Traoré £16m I rest my case your honour but that is almost not the point.

If Burnley don't want to buy him who else is going to pay £20m or £15m or even £10m? I am sure there is a queue of suitors.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on October 03, 2020, 01:06:26 PM
If Diangana is worth £18m then surely Wilson is worth £20m. Wilson has had 2 good seasons in the Champ and 1 in the Prem.

Wilson couldn't nail down a place in Bournemouth's team last season. He startedone game post lockdown.

With Diangana, you are buying potential and buying a player who hasn't yet struggled at prem level. He was also wanted by West Ham - Liverpool have given up on Wilson.

Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on October 03, 2020, 04:47:19 PM
Manchester United are in talks with Edinson Cavani's agent. The former PSG striker wants a multi-year contract worth €10m+ a season plus a huge agent fee. (Source: @FabrizioRomano)

They sound like a rich mans West Brom signing golden oldies  :D
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on October 04, 2020, 03:47:48 PM
Manchester United have reached an agreement with Porto for the €20m signing of Alex Telles. It's a done deal. The left-back will have his medical tonight. (Source: Sky Sport News)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 04, 2020, 03:54:44 PM
Manchester United have reached an agreement with Porto for the €20m signing of Alex Telles. It's a done deal. The left-back will have his medical tonight. (Source: Sky Sport News)

Porto signed him for €6.5 million.

Where does it leave Luke Shaw?
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 04, 2020, 04:59:42 PM
Porto signed him for €6.5 million.

Where does it leave Luke Shaw?

Sorry Mark my phone auto corrects Luke Shaw to well, what you just deleted.   ;D
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on October 04, 2020, 05:06:47 PM
Edinson Cavani has arrived in Manchester to complete the final details of his move to Manchester United. He will undergo his medical later today, with the announcement expected tomorrow. (Source: ESPN)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on October 04, 2020, 05:13:55 PM
Judging by todays performance they will need a miracle..4-1 down at home to Spurs and down to 10 men
Expect all the transfer columns to be 50% filled with who Man United are being linked with.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 04, 2020, 09:19:19 PM
Edinson Cavani has arrived in Manchester to complete the final details of his move to Manchester United. He will undergo his medical later today, with the announcement expected tomorrow. (Source: ESPN)
And when he arrived he said “bugger this“ and started coughing loudly.., he’s now back on the Eurostar
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on October 05, 2020, 12:16:23 PM
Loftus Cheek likely going to Fulham
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 05, 2020, 12:50:01 PM
Everton have signed Godfrey from Norwich for £25 million rising to £30 million.

They signed him from York for £150k.

The players are out there.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: DaveWBA on October 05, 2020, 01:13:44 PM
Everton have signed Godfrey from Norwich for £25 million rising to £30 million.

They signed him from York for £150k.

The players are out there.

Dowling's spreadsheet has probably run out of columns.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Webby on October 05, 2020, 01:54:10 PM
Everton have signed Godfrey from Norwich for £25 million rising to £30 million.

They signed him from York for £150k.

The players are out there.

True but they signed him what, 4 years ago? So if we sign a League 2 player now for £150k he's not going to get the 4 years PL and Champ experience to make him worth that or put him in that quality bracket quick enough.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on October 05, 2020, 03:56:37 PM
In addition to a possible move for Ruben Loftus Cheek, Fulham are supposed to be signing centre halves from the continent this afternoon (fromer Germany U21 Timo Baumgartl from PSV and Danish international Joachim Anderson from Lyon).

No idea about either of them.  Feels a bit scattergun to do that all on deadline day but could help them.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 05, 2020, 03:59:27 PM
In addition to a possible move for Ruben Loftus Cheek, Fulham are supposed to be signing centre halves from the continent this afternoon (fromer Germany U21 Timo Baumgartl from PSV and Danish international Joachim Anderson from Lyon).

No idea about either of them.  Feels a bit scattergun to do that all on deadline day but could help them.

Feels like a US pro wrestling promoter with a copy of Football Manager.  ;D
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on October 05, 2020, 04:43:00 PM
True but they signed him what, 4 years ago? So if we sign a League 2 player now for £150k he's not going to get the 4 years PL and Champ experience to make him worth that or put him in that quality bracket quick enough.

This is why your recruitment shouldn't soley focus on just the coming 12 months, something Dowling admitted he was doing last summer.

A number of the more "efficient" lower prem clubs have this summer continued with their policy of buying "ones for the future" in addition to players for the here and now. Leeds, Brighton, Burnley, Villa, Brentford and Wolves have all done this. They know that if one or two of these players develop into premier league standard players further down the line, it will save them £15m-£20m a piece in 2 or 3 years.

If you have less resources than your competitors, you have to be really smart in how you use them. All of the clubs listed above are outside the "big money 6", so they are looking at ways they can do business that closes the gap on the fact they have less money to spend. It feels this year like we have just done a budget version of what those with more resources do instead of showing signs of creative thinking.

Where is the longer term planning at the Albion? I'm just not seeing much at the moment. When you look at the rest of the division with their big money owners and creative recruitment teams, I just don't see where the space is for a club with no resources AND little to no advanced strategy.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 05, 2020, 04:47:30 PM
This is why your recruitment shouldn't soley focus on just the coming 12 months, something Dowling admitted he was doing last summer.

A number of the more "efficient" lower prem clubs have this summer continued with their policy of buying "ones for the future" in addition to players for the here and now. Leeds, Brighton, Burnley, Villa, Brentford and Wolves have all done this. They know that if one or two of these players develop into premier league standard players further down the line, it will save them £15m-£20m a piece in 2 or 3 years.

If you have less resources than your competitors, you have to be really smart in how you use them. All of the clubs listed above are outside the "big money 6", so they are looking at ways they can do business that closes the gap on the fact they have less money to spend. It feels this year like we have just done a budget version of what those with more resources do instead of showing signs of creative thinking.

Where is the longer term planning at the Albion? I'm just not seeing much at the moment. When you look at the rest of the division with their big money owners and creative recruitment teams, I just don't see where the space is for a club with no resources AND little to no advanced strategy.


That sums up my thinking to a tee. Instead of spending money on Kipre (for example), is there not a young player from League 1 / 2, or abroad, that we could have invested that money in for longer-term returns?

Ever since Ashworth left it has been about short-term fixes, and Dowling isn't changing tack enough. Younger players, certainly, but they're all a bit obvious and not as good as the players they're replacing.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: MarkW on October 05, 2020, 06:24:31 PM
Did I mention Joe Rodon at Swansea as an option at CB? He's in talks with Spurs. Ball playing centre back, highly rated.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 05, 2020, 06:28:25 PM
Did I mention Joe Rodon at Swansea as an option at CB? He's in talks with Spurs. Ball playing centre back, highly rated.

£18 million.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: MarkW on October 05, 2020, 06:37:04 PM
£18 million.

Ooft, not one for us then!
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 05, 2020, 06:45:14 PM
Everton have signed Godfrey from Norwich for £25 million rising to £30 million.

They signed him from York for £150k.

The players are out there.
They are...kipre could be one of them ...but he probably won’t even get a fair chance...that sort of thing puts players off .
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on October 05, 2020, 06:51:11 PM
Ruben Loftus-Cheek is set to join Fulham on loan for the season from Chelsea.
 (Source: Telegraph)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on October 05, 2020, 07:18:25 PM
Tosin also signing for Fulham on loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on October 05, 2020, 07:22:00 PM
Not sure if the centre half signings do much for Fulham but if Loftus-Cheek can get back to his best that's a solid top half player in their midfield.

Fulham haven't spent loads this window but they should have enough now to atleast give it a go under a competent coach (not Parker for me).

Starting to look like we are in a league of 1 for that bottom spot.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gavinrussell on October 05, 2020, 07:26:38 PM
Everton close to signing Roma keeper Olsen..looks like Pickford might be on his way..
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on October 05, 2020, 07:26:52 PM
Jack Wilshere is on a free now apparently. Mutual agreement reached with him and WHU.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on October 05, 2020, 07:42:56 PM
West Ham fand not really sad to see him go. He needs a oay as you play deal at a club like Swansea really. Expect Derby or Forest to have him though.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on October 05, 2020, 07:47:41 PM
Leeds have signed Raphinha
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on October 05, 2020, 08:51:09 PM
Chris Willock signs for QPR. Interesting to see how he gets on with a full season playing first team football.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 06, 2020, 10:51:23 AM
2 potentially brilliant strategic deals from Ashworth down at Brighton for two up and coming Poland players. Loaned straight back out.

Shows us what we're missing unfortunately with Dowling in place.

Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 06, 2020, 01:08:45 PM
2 potentially brilliant strategic deals from Ashworth down at Brighton for two up and coming Poland players. Loaned straight back out.

Shows us what we're missing unfortunately with Dowling in place.

The midfielder, Moder? One I always sign on FIFA.

No indication he'll be good of course, but very highly rated.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on October 06, 2020, 01:37:33 PM
Lots of people tipping Brighton to struggle and that may be the case, but considering Brighton have been a bit short of money this window, they have made some really smart signings.

Ashworth always made sure he signed 1 player for the future near enough every transfer window when he was with us. This summer he has signed 5 or 6 for Brighton, who are supplementing their brilliant academy with exciting youngsters from home and abroad.

We could really do with Brighton staying up this year as I wouldn't want to play them in the championship next season. They have a few first team stars who could make them north of 100m easily and still would have the best young side in the division.

They show just how far behind the rest we are.
Title: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: AlbionFan on October 10, 2020, 09:30:06 PM
West Ham are on the verge of agreeing a deal to sign Brentford winger Said Benrahma.

The clubs are in advanced talks over a deal that could potentially be worth in the region of £30m.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: SirTonyM on October 10, 2020, 09:40:10 PM
West Ham are on the verge of agreeing a deal to sign Brentford winger Said Benrahma.

The clubs are in advanced talks over a deal that could potentially be worth in the region of £30m.

Brentford sell 2 players for 63 million that they paid 4.5 million for....
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on October 10, 2020, 10:01:36 PM
Now they have 2 clubs interested the auction begins! Perfect for Brentford.
Title: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: caravanc58 on October 10, 2020, 10:03:39 PM
Brentford sell 2 players for 63 million that they paid 4.5 million for....
That's what excellent scouting brings.
Benrahma was playing Ligue 2 football two years ago in France and Watkins in League 2 at Exeter.

Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: Blowee on October 11, 2020, 09:35:21 AM
Brentford sell 2 players for 63 million that they paid 4.5 million for....
A good way to keep afloat in the Championship. Ok they may sign a few lemons but if you manage to sell one a season on at those transfer fees that more than pays to keep the club going. It shows how much a good scouting system is worth.
Title: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: skyclad99 on October 11, 2020, 09:53:50 AM
West Ham are on the verge of agreeing a deal to sign Brentford winger Said Benrahma.

The clubs are in advanced talks over a deal that could potentially be worth in the region of £30m.

From the WH websites a few weeks ago, it was said that GD needed to be sold to generate the funds for this player. However, I also heard Sullivan on the radio the other day saying that they do not need any more wingers as he has more than enough, which is why they sanctioned the GD sale.

Personally I thought that they were desperate for centre backs myself, and they failed to land Tarkowski. What a strange club they are......
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on October 11, 2020, 10:23:35 AM
Liverpool are in talks with Stoke City to sign Jack Butland. The goalkeeper could go straight in the team to face Everton. (Source: Daily Mirror)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on October 11, 2020, 11:31:39 AM
Thought I'd do a wash up of the window I'll do a European one this week and final wrap on the English one once the mini window closes next week given there may yet be some significant deals

Looking at the big 4 leagues in the round turnover is down dramatically across the board and an equally profound drop in the net spend figures in most cases. Figures in brackets represent a negative balance on transactions.

La Liga        2020 Turnover £810m, net spend £79m      2019 Turnover £2.13bn net spend (£282m)
Bundesliga  2020 Turnover £581m, net spend £0.18m    2019 Turnover £1,19bn net spend (£155m)
Serie A       2020 Turnover £1.3bn, net spend (£53m)     2019 Turnover £1.8bn, net spend  (£302m)
Ligue 1      2020 Turnover £742m,  net spend (£57m)     2019 Turnover £1.4bn,  (£118m)

A couple of observations the impact of the loan to buy deals is huge particularly in Serie A. Much of this year's expenditure has been prearranged as part of last year's window roughly half of the top 25 transfers in Italy were loan to buy deals going permanent.

PSG's activity has a disproportionate impact on the French market. Their net spend of £50m which was mainly due to them making Icardi permanent is way bigger than any other French club.

Outside the Big 5 leagues there was very little happening that generates fees. Those that don't have the benefit of European football and or the benefit of a big inbound transfer fee are just signing loanees and frees. The one big exception was Benefica who were spending like drunken sailors on shore leave. Then managed to get themselves knocked out of the CL flogged Dias to City in a deal that somehow valued Otamendi at £13m but that left them at break even for the window.

Overall the Premier League has been European football's ATM Chelsea alone have pumped in £173m of funds across 4 transfers.

Havertz £72m from Leverkuesn who spent £28m and banked the rest.

Werner £43m from RB Leipzig who spent £30m and banked the rest

Ziyech £36m  from Ajax who spent the fee on buying 5 players although they did have the benefit of the Van De Beek fee (£35m) from Man United  whichwas  unspent and no doubt helping fund the club through these difficult times

Mendy £21m from Stade Rennais who were the only club to spend more than they were paid by Premier League clubs.

Green Eyed Envy Corner is officially closed for the window players I liked for the Albion who went elsewhere

I flagged up a bunch of likely prospects at the beginning of the window of which the following moved

Ibrahim Sangaré Tolouse to PSV £7m
Nicola Moro Zagreb to CSKA Moscow £8m
Serhou Guirassy Amiens to Stade Rennais £13m
Alfred Gomis Dijon to Stade Rennais £8m
Habib Diallo Metz to Strasbourg £9m

It looks like I'm moonlighting for Stade Rennais recruitment department.

We were actually linked with Diallo and I was surprised I genuinely thought he would go to a club with at least Europa League football for him to end up Strasbourg as their record signing is shocking. Especially when you consider Strasbourg are already well covered at Centre Forward and they have lost 4 of their opening league fixtures and are arguably Metz's biggest rivals.

It will be interesting to see how those deals pan out.

Finally the strangest tale of the transfer window is that of Jean-Kévin Augustin who moved from RB Leipzig to Nantes on a free. This may yet prove to the transfer coup for Nantes or another bizarre misstep in the career of the young Frenchman.

Augustin started out at PSG where he was seen as a hot prospect but given the talent at the club was unlikely to break through. As a 20 year old based on nothing much more than potential Leipzig signed for £14m. He didn't really breakthrough at Leipzig and two years latter he was loaned out to Monaco at the start of 19/20.

Nothing particularly good happened to him at Monaco he is now 22 and his potential still seems to be largely unrealised. In January he returns to Leipzig and is loaned to Leeds but this time with a £20m obligation to buy if Leeds are promoted (Champagne corks popping in RB Leipzig's recruitment department obviously leftover from the stock they got in when they unloaded Olly Burke to us).

Barely two months into his loan spell he is a reject from the planet Beilsa and back at Leipzig. Leeds get promoted but refuse to pay the fee. The two clubs are now going to court to resolve the matter and poor old Jean-Kevin has been shunted to Nantes like an ugly duckling. Go show them Jean-Kevin you will be a swan*

* There is no rational evidence for this assertion.   

Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2020, 06:36:26 PM
Phillips to Cardiff is a shame. Superb keeper in the making.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2020, 07:36:40 PM
£5 million upfront for Benrahma. Can't imagine the Bees are particularly happy with that.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on October 16, 2020, 07:38:19 PM
20m to follow at end of season and another 5m in potential bonuses.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on October 16, 2020, 10:41:48 PM
Butland to CPFC completed also Kongolo signed for Fuham.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on October 17, 2020, 12:02:20 AM
With the English window closing this is the final reckoning

Premier League 2020 Turnover £1.73bn Net Spend (£905m) 2019 £2.6bn Net Spend (£625m)
Championship 2020 Turnover £ 354m Net Spend £145m 2019 £486m Net Spend £136m

The Premier League is football's ATM in 2020. Turnover reduced but net spend up by 50%.

Looking at the individual deals it seems young elite level players have held their value but older less high profile players that typically teams are trying to unload the value has collapsed to the point that they have been virtually given away or have been retained. There are a lot of big squads with plenty of players who don't look likely to feature frequently. 

Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 17, 2020, 09:12:29 AM
With the English window closing this is the final reckoning

Premier League 2020 Turnover £1.73bn Net Spend (£905m) 2019 £2.6bn Net Spend (£625m)
Championship 2020 Turnover £ 354m Net Spend £145m 2019 £486m Net Spend £136m

The Premier League is football's ATM in 2020. Turnover reduced but net spend up by 50%.

Looking at the individual deals it seems young elite level players have held their value but older less high profile players that typically teams are trying to unload the value has collapsed to the point that they have been virtually given away or have been retained. There are a lot of big squads with plenty of players who don't look likely to feature frequently.

Further evidence as to why the Government should not bail out this industry.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on October 17, 2020, 09:42:21 AM
Further evidence as to why the Government should not bail out this industry.

As the window unfolded that was very clear. A 5% levy on the transfer fee net spend funds League 1 and 2 for the season so there is no way anyone else should be picking up the tab.

Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on October 17, 2020, 10:14:14 AM
Joe Roden moving to Spurs for relative peanuts surprised me the most. Swansea must be in a sticky financial situation, I found it weird how they sold so many players after their relegation 2 years ago, last summer they got £15m for Dan James and yet they have still ended up accepting a bit of a low ball offer from Spurs.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 17, 2020, 12:40:51 PM
Further evidence as to why the Government should not bail out this industry.

Those 2 divisions definitely shouldn't be bailed out. Interested in the numbers for Leagues 1 and 2.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on October 23, 2020, 10:06:48 AM
The ones that didn't get away players still on Premier League clubs books but not in their Premier League squads some high profile players and possibly more in annual wages than the PL offered the EFL by way of assistance.

Danny Drinkwater (Chelsea)
Phil Jones (Man U)
Sergio Romero (Man U)
Danny Rose (Spurs)
Mesut Özil (Arsenal)
Sokratis (Arsenal)
Yannick Bolasie (Everton)
Matthew Pennington (Everton)
Josh Onomah (Fulham)
Jean Michaël Seri (Fulham)
Kevin McDonald (Fulham)
Stefan Johansen (Fulham)
Rolando Aarons (Newcastle)
Achraf Lazaar (Newcastle)
Conor Wickham (Crystal Palace)
Wayne Hennessey (Crystal Palace)
Conor Shaughnessy (Leeds United)
Ouasim Bouy (Leeds United)

Some of the careers here are nothing short of bizarre the last name Ouasim Bouy signed from Juventus on a free in 2017 was given a 4 year deal is going into the last year of it and as far has I can make out has never kicked a ball for Leeds.

This is shameful it is an utter waste and whether players are sitting on contracts or not it just speaks volumes as to the state of the game.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on October 23, 2020, 10:34:17 AM
Fulham have 4 (very good) players not even in their squad. All four could be playing first team in the Championship or in La Liga/Bundesliga/Serie A. Why have they not loaned any out?

There are some real sad cases there. I read a quote yesterday about Phil Jones. He was offered a testimonial but turned it down as "nobody would want to turn up".

As for Ozil, he must be the biggest tragedy. There aren't many more exciting players to watch in European football over the last 10 years.

The reality for most is that the players won't accept pay cuts and other clubs can't afford their wages during this pandemic, but that can't be the case for all of them.

A real waste of talent.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on October 23, 2020, 10:39:36 AM
I don't think Ozil is a waste as such. He refuses to take a paycut and prefers to waste his time doing nothing. Absolutely his right to take 350k pw for nothing but if he really wanted to play he could easily make it happen.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: johnny Cash on October 23, 2020, 10:43:51 AM

possibly more in annual wages than the PL offered the EFL by way of assistance.


Could well be! Conservatively I get that group to £750,000 per week which is staggering.

Good work if you can get it!
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on October 23, 2020, 11:11:15 AM
I don't think Ozil is a waste as such. He refuses to take a paycut and prefers to waste his time doing nothing. Absolutely his right to take 350k pw for nothing but if he really wanted to play he could easily make it happen.
Ozil whilst a mercenary added to the problem by quite rightly questioning the chinese and their policies towards muslims, damaging for the Arsenal boards (Kroenke) and their many other sporting businesses TV rights.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 23, 2020, 12:22:41 PM
Criminal that Romero hasn't got a place, yet our 'keeper' will play 38 games.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 23, 2020, 03:53:12 PM
Criminal that Romero hasn't got a place, yet our 'keeper' will play 38 games.

Absolutely. Should have gone for him on loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: tommcneill on October 23, 2020, 04:27:41 PM
Surprised at some of the names on that list
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on October 24, 2020, 10:27:57 AM
It is a waste of talent and it highlights the inefficiency of the football market. Plainly neither party expected things to end up like this when they signed their contracts and in truth injury has played a part in some of the back stories here.

However I frequently have cause to question the rationality of football clubs and the lack of foresight  in many cases self evident. I would also question footballers who jump at the big contract which is understandable without really asking the question is this the right move for me as a player?

 



Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on October 29, 2020, 02:58:05 PM
I had a look at Mr Ouasim Bouy, incredible since 2012 the man has played less than 100 games, whilst traversing the top leagues in Italy, Germany, Holland, Greece, England.  In fact last season was his most demanding with 18 appearances, before that he averaged 9 / season !

It beggars belief that this man gets rich for doing nothing, his agent must be FANTASTIC at his job.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: SmethDan on October 29, 2020, 03:37:33 PM
I had a look at Mr Ouasim Bouy, incredible since 2012 the man has played less than 100 games, whilst traversing the top leagues in Italy, Germany, Holland, Greece, England.  In fact last season was his most demanding with 18 appearances, before that he averaged 9 / season !

It beggars belief that this man gets rich for doing nothing, his agent must be FANTASTIC at his job.

I've posted a link to this bloke before but I give you the name Carlos "Kaiser" Henrique Raposo.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on October 29, 2020, 04:02:03 PM
I've posted a link to this bloke before but I give you the name Carlos "Kaiser" Henrique Raposo.

I don't think its the same geezer Dan, this one has been on Leeds books for last 2 years, whereas Old Carlos was a few years back, Ouasim is Dutch and the Carlos the Jackal is brazilian
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: SmethDan on October 29, 2020, 04:09:38 PM
I don't think its the same geezer Dan, this one has been on Leeds books for last 2 years, whereas Old Carlos was a few years back, Ouasim is Dutch and the Carlos the Jackal is brazilian

I know it's not the same geezer, the one I linked's in his fifties now. It's just that he made a living from the game without ever actually playing one. Money quite literally for nothing  ;D .
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Albionic on October 29, 2020, 04:20:09 PM
I know it's not the same geezer, the one I linked's in his fifties now. It's just that he made a living from the game without ever actually playing one. Money quite literally for nothing  ;D .

got it now, I read it wrong ! cheers
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on November 21, 2020, 10:55:43 PM
Dean Henderson wants to go on loan in Jan so he can play in Euros. Leeds and Brighton in for him - The Sun
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on January 30, 2021, 09:09:20 AM
Been meaning to reboot this thread for most of the month but given the lack of activity it hasn't seemed worthwhile.

Going into the last couple of days of the window it is worth recapping on what's happened.

Premier League

The most significant action has been outbound very few permanent deals with loans being the order of the day.

The highlights are as follows:

Arsenal
Have bought Martin Ødegaard in from Real Madrid on loan with no option to buy and finally moved Ozil on to Fennerbache. Not sure what to make of the Ødegaard deal not sure why maybe they have the notion that Real will sell in the summer and they might steal a march on the opposition.

Frankly I am relieved that Ozil has gone, though I do worry about what the small army of sports journalists employed to keep me abreast of the situation are going to do now.

West Ham

The Hammers have been busy sold Haller to Ajax for £20m which is one of the bigger deals of the window. They are taking a bit of a bath there but things haven't worked out for him at the London Stadium. This does leave them a bit short of strikers so the obvious answer is bring in Jesse Lingard on loan, no I have no clue either. 

Aston Villa

Have made another good signing in Morgan Sansom from Marseille. I am a long term admirer of the player who is a very good all round midfielder and I think he is an upgrade on McGinn. As a consequence they have let Hourihane go out on loan to Swansea.

Man United

Have signed Diallo from Atalanta for a staggering £19m. Thought to be latest hot talent off the Atalanta production line he has only just made his first team debut and United have pounced. We will see how this pans out.

Crystal Palace

Have completed what might turn out to be the best piece of business of the window with Jean-Philippe Mateta joining on loan with an option to buy from Mainz. Young and maybe a bit raw but there is a talent there with a lot of upside potential and he hasn't cost them a fortune.

We can see you sneaking out

January is often the month when players that arrive with much fanfare are quietly let go. This month is no exception Slimani, Ighalo and Drinkwater all leaving for pastures new the latter on loan obviously.

Elsewhere in the top 5 leagues nothing much is happening, the Haller deal is the biggest and it must be sometime since a Dutch team spent the biggest fee in a window.

It noticeable with one or two exceptions the players that have moved for significant fees are generally young i.e. under 25 with very obvious upside potential.

A few have caught my eye Dominik Szoboszlai traveling the well worn path from RB Salzbrg to RB Leipzig. Dennis Man has finally got a big move from  FCSB to Parma surprised someone a little bit further up the food chain hasn't taken the plunge before now.

Maybe this window is significant for what hasn't happened or not yet anyway. Liverpool haven't bought a Centre Half the struggling clubs haven't strengthened and the French fire sale hasn't materialised to any significant degree. This obviously could change in the next day or so but maybe financial reality has finally caught up with football.










Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: SmethDan on January 30, 2021, 10:27:22 AM
Been meaning to reboot this thread for most the month but given the lack of activity it hasn't seemed worthwhile.......maybe financial reality has finally caught up with football.

That was a well presented post Stan', I won't be holding my breath in anticipation of the last point coming to pass over a longer time frame though.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: lewisant on January 30, 2021, 11:09:39 AM
Thanks Stan, great post as per usual.

I find it fascinating how loans are becoming much more common place these days. Is there a reason for this? I'm not really up to date with the finances of football but i know there are some fantastic posters here that often have good insight on it, I just don't process figures and maths all that well.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: johnny Cash on January 30, 2021, 11:35:35 AM
I agree that the Mateta signing at the rumoured price is a great deal for Palace.  Him and Maupay were both in the french second division at a similar time, yet one cost over £20m after a season in the championship and the others just been scooped up for less than £15m after a decent stint in the bundesliga.

The potential upside is huge, and if he does flop I think there is still a decent market for him in France and Germany. 
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on January 30, 2021, 02:22:32 PM
Thanks Stan, great post as per usual.

I find it fascinating how loans are becoming much more common place these days. Is there a reason for this? I'm not really up to date with the finances of football but i know there are some fantastic posters here that often have good insight on it, I just don't process figures and maths all that well.

Loans have grown as a proportion of deals in recent years there are several reasons some of them financial but also because of the developmental model used by the bigger clubs.

The Italian giants have always used the loan market to farm out younger players across Serie A and B. This model has been adopted by Chelsea and Man City in the Premier League and it allows those clubs to stockpile talent. The big Spanish sides have tended to use their B teams but still loan out young players e.g. Martin Ødegaard who even at 17 might not have been stretched by B team football.

The other big reason why clubs go down the route is trying de-risk transfers. Where a player is changing leagues and or making a step up a loan to buy gives the buying club the comfort of trying before they buy. Equally the loan market is a bit of a safety net on transfers in general and this is where the accounting and maths comes into play.

To demonstrate let's create an artificial example. Carlos Kickaball 23 is the rising star for mid table La Liga team Real San Miguel and impresses a number of Premier League clubs including mid level team Arkell's United. A £20m deal is agreed and Carlos agrees a £50k a week 5 year contract (he was earning £10k a week in Spain). He is costing Arkell's £6.5m a year (£4m in depreciation and £2.5m in wages.

However Arkell's are confident that they have a star and could easily sell young Carlos for £40m in just a couple of years time and the wage is nowhere near their top earner.

Things do not go well for Carlos he doesn't settle Arkell's change the manager mid way through the season and he finds himself frozen out. To compound matters Carlos is desperately homesick. Arkell's know this isn't working and the obvious thing to is ship Carlos back to Spain. One small problem mid level La Liga teams don't spend £20m on players nor do they pay them wages at anywhere near £2.5m a year. Now Arkell's could just take the hit pay up the contract and take a loss on the fee.

The only problem is all that cost lands in one smelly lump into one years accounts. Lets say they lose £10m on the fee and buying out the contract costs £4m (everyone is being very reasonable here). Arkell's finance director is a deeply unhappy man and so is their manager because all of that is coming out of this year's budget.

Maybe there is a solution, a loan to Turkish club (WTAF!!) Effesspor. How does it work? Arkell's are stuck for £6.5m a year almost regardless. However instead of crystallising £14m of losses they get a loan fee of £1m to offset against the £4m of depreciation and it get's better. Effesspor are happy to pay half Carlos's wages which is as good as any Spanish club but because of the favourable tax regime to get Carlos to his net position the overall wage needs to be 20% less so this saves Arkell's nearly £3m in wages. To move Carlos on either costs £14m to sell today or £2.5m to loan out, what are you going to do?

The above is hugely simplified but that is often why players are loaned rather than sold.





Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: costa blanca baggie on January 30, 2021, 02:51:11 PM
Loans have grown as a proportion of deals in recent years there are several reasons some of them financial but also because of the developmental model used by the bigger clubs.

The Italian giants have always used the loan market to farm out younger players across Serie A and B. This model has been adopted by Chelsea and Man City in the Premier League and it allows those clubs to stockpile talent. The big Spanish sides have tended to use their B teams but still loan out young players e.g. Martin Ødegaard who even at 17 might not have been stretched by B team football.

The other big reason why clubs go down the route is trying de-risk transfers. Where a player is changing leagues and or making a step up a loan to buy gives the buying club the comfort of trying before they buy. Equally the loan market is a bit of a safety net on transfers in general and this is where the accounting and maths comes into play.

To demonstrate let's create an artificial example. Carlos Kickaball 23 is the rising star for mid table La Liga team Real San Miguel and impresses a number of Premier League clubs including mid level team Arkell's United. A £20m deal is agreed and Carlos agrees a £50k a week 5 year contract (he was earning £10k a week in Spain). He is costing Arkell's £6.5m a year (£4m in depreciation and £2.5m in wages.

However Arkell's are confident that they have a star and could easily sell young Carlos for £40m in just a couple of years time and the wage is nowhere near their top earner.

Things do not go well for Carlos he doesn't settle Arkell's change the manager mid way through the season and he finds himself frozen out. To compound matters Carlos is desperately homesick. Arkell's know this isn't working and the obvious thing to is ship Carlos back to Spain. One small problem mid level La Liga teams don't spend £20m on players nor do they pay them wages at anywhere near £2.5m a year. Now Arkell's could just take the hit pay up the contract and take a loss on the fee.

The only problem is all that cost lands in one smelly lump into one years accounts. Lets say they lose £10m on the fee and buying out the contract costs £4m (everyone is being very reasonable here). Arkell's finance director is a deeply unhappy man and so is their manager because all of that is coming out of this year's budget.

Maybe there is a solution, a loan to Turkish club (WTAF!!) Effesspor. How does it work? Arkell's are stuck for £6.5m a year almost regardless. However instead of crystallising £14m of losses they get a loan fee of £1m to offset against the £4m of depreciation and it get's better. Effesspor are happy to pay half Carlos's wages which is as good as any Spanish club but because of the favourable tax regime to get Carlos to his net position the overall wage needs to be 20% less so this saves Arkell's nearly £3m in wages. To move Carlos on either costs £14m to sell today or £2.5m to loan out, what are you going to do?

The above is hugely simplified but that is often why players are loaned rather than sold.
That’s simplified? Jeez!!
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 31, 2021, 09:48:45 AM
Tottenham and England left-back Danny Rose's transfer to Trabzonspor could fall through after the Turkish side admitted their move for the 30-year-old would be "very difficult" to complete because of Covid-19 restrictions. (Talksport)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 31, 2021, 09:49:41 AM
Everton's Turkish striker Cenk Tosun, 29 will be in Istanbul on Sunday to complete a loan move to former club Besiktas. (Sky Sports)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 31, 2021, 10:22:00 AM
Leicester have entered the race to sign Ainsley Maitland-Niles on loan from Arsenal. (Source: @David_Ornstein)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 31, 2021, 02:32:23 PM
Leicester have entered the race to sign Ainsley Maitland-Niles on loan from Arsenal. (Source: @David_Ornstein)

It’s a better move for him than coming to the hawthorns
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 31, 2021, 04:05:29 PM
DEAL DONE: Bayer Leverkusen have confirmed the signing of Demarai Gray on a contract until 2022. Fee around £2m. (Source: @bayer04_en)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 31, 2021, 04:27:33 PM
Tottenham have reached an agreement with Watford for the transfer of Maurizio Pochettino. (Source: @SpursOfficial)
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: KN22 on January 31, 2021, 06:50:00 PM
Thanks Stan, great post as per usual.

I find it fascinating how loans are becoming much more common place these days. Is there a reason for this? I'm not really up to date with the finances of football but i know there are some fantastic posters here that often have good insight on it, I just don't process figures and maths all that well.

The really simple  reason is that a loan is not nearly as big a financial risk as a purchase. If things go wrong the impact on the club taking the guy on loan is smaller. It also gives a chance to try before you buy of course.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on February 01, 2021, 03:59:04 PM
Josh King on his was to Fulham, hearing that the window has pretty much exploded today, even as far down as league 2. Not a good luck and shows how badly English football is run.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on February 01, 2021, 04:01:26 PM
Fulham also in talks with Josh Maja as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on February 01, 2021, 05:52:13 PM
Josh King on his was to Fulham, hearing that the window has pretty much exploded today, even as far down as league 2. Not a good luck and shows how badly English football is run.

Wouldn't disagree with the notion that the game is badly run. However the  deadline dash isn't a symptom. With so much football played in January clubs won't release to  the last minute because of the possibility of injury and as often said players with multiple options won't commit either.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on February 01, 2021, 05:55:54 PM
Maybe, but when you look at the amount of kids who are going out on loan today who haven’t played a minute of football in January, I really struggle to work out why clubs are so conservative and unable to see it was obvious they could have been released earlier.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: johnny Cash on February 01, 2021, 06:19:29 PM
Palma have signed Joshua Zirkzee now as well. Another who id have though may have attracted interest from a bigger club, especially at £15m.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on February 01, 2021, 06:34:38 PM
Palma have signed Joshua Zirkzee now as well. Another who id have though may have attracted interest from a bigger club, especially at £15m.

Loan with option to buy I think Parma could yet go down so probably don't want to commit to that sort of fee Serie B
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on February 01, 2021, 08:08:32 PM
Everton agree fee with Bournemouth for Josh King
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 01, 2021, 08:17:09 PM
Everton agree fee with Bournemouth for Josh King

Rather them than Fulham.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: hardtobeat on February 01, 2021, 08:27:56 PM
Fulham getting Maja
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on February 01, 2021, 09:56:23 PM
Telegraph reporting King is going to Fulham and not Everton. At one point today, it looked like we had possibly done enough to atleast get ahead of them, but King and Maja could be decent signings and give them more of a goal threat.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on February 01, 2021, 09:56:50 PM
Strange would thought King would prefer Everton. Better club.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on February 01, 2021, 10:00:24 PM
Telegraph reporting King is going to Fulham and not Everton. At one point today, it looked like we had possibly done enough to atleast get ahead of them, but King and Maja could be decent signings and give them more of a goal threat.
May well cancel out any advantage we gain from our dealings.  :(
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on February 01, 2021, 10:02:59 PM
May well cancel out any advantage we gain from our dealings.  :(

King has scored 0 in 12 games in the EFL this season but that may be him sulking to move.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on February 01, 2021, 10:04:50 PM
King has scored 0 in 12 games in the EFL this season but that may be him sulking to move.

Dont rate king that highly.
3 in 56 for Blackburn pre Bournemouth
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: johnny Cash on February 01, 2021, 10:05:05 PM
Telegraph reporting King is going to Fulham and not Everton. At one point today, it looked like we had possibly done enough to atleast get ahead of them, but King and Maja could be decent signings and give them more of a goal threat.


I liked the idea of Maja for the championship. Not sure in the prem or at £10m!
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on February 01, 2021, 10:05:57 PM
Dont rate king that highly.
3 in 56 for Blackburn pre Bournemouth

He's either being a titty babby or gone to the dogs
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on February 01, 2021, 10:06:30 PM
Looks like our old mate Dwight is going to walk away from the Geordies for free in the summer
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on February 01, 2021, 10:08:02 PM
Looks like our old mate Dwight is going to walk away from the Geordies for free in the summer

If we could get him in the EFL i'd be happy.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 01, 2021, 10:14:55 PM
Are Fulham seriously spending £10m on Maja?!

Daylight robbery.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on February 01, 2021, 10:20:41 PM
Sky saying deal for King is for 6 months only. Weird.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: tommcneill on February 01, 2021, 10:23:23 PM
Sky saying deal for King is for 6 months only. Weird.

He’s only got 6 months left at Bournemouth.

He’s asked for his free transfer wages now and I think they’ve all said NO.

So he’s having a 6 month loan so he can then go get whatever wages he wants or thinks he will get
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on February 01, 2021, 10:28:10 PM
He’s only got 6 months left at Bournemouth.

He’s asked for his free transfer wages now and I think they’ve all said NO.

So he’s having a 6 month loan so he can then go get whatever wages he wants or thinks he will get

So the Cherries are letting him go on a free in reality.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on February 01, 2021, 10:46:13 PM
Rumours are the move could see Bournemouth net up to £5m. Not quite sure how...
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on February 01, 2021, 10:48:11 PM
He's on good money which would be 2m to them , not sure where the other 3 is from
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on February 01, 2021, 10:53:06 PM
King has picked Everton. Good lad.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on February 01, 2021, 10:53:23 PM
Fulham get Maja instead.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: alex1 on February 01, 2021, 10:54:09 PM
Ben Davies move to Liverpool getting a helluva lot of coverage. You'd think they had just signed Sergio Ramos.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on February 01, 2021, 10:55:52 PM
Ben Davies move to Liverpool getting a helluva lot of coverage. You'd think they had just signed Sergio Ramos.

He was only 500k, they casnt go wrong at that price.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on February 01, 2021, 11:01:56 PM
Newcastle signed Willock

Saints got Minamino
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on February 01, 2021, 11:09:15 PM
King gone as bench option to Everton fair enough smart move (not for Everton obviously)

Maja to Fulham even an out of sorts Mitrovic is a better option but maybe some use for them in the Championship.

Ben Davies move to Liverpool getting a helluva lot of coverage. You'd think they had just signed Sergio Ramos.

There's absolutely nothing else happening at any of the bigger clubs so hence the wall to wall coverage.

I've watched this unfold on twitter. Initially L'pool fans weren't impressed and a lot of FSG out types were kicking off. Then the smarter ones took the time to find out a little bit more and were a little bit placated now he's okay but I think it is because they are getting Kabak and boy have  I read some absolute tosh on that one.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: gazberg on February 01, 2021, 11:10:41 PM
SSN saying 2 PL deal sheets submitted not yet completed. Until 1am to be finalised.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on February 02, 2021, 12:15:11 AM
Newcastle signed Willock

Saints got Minamino

Both interesting signings.

I really want Willock to kick on as England are crying out for somebody like him but need the Mags to fail.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Baggies on February 02, 2021, 12:16:43 AM
King gone as bench option to Everton fair enough smart move (not for Everton obviously)

Maja to Fulham even an out of sorts Mitrovic is a better option but maybe some use for them in the Championship.

There's absolutely nothing else happening at any of the bigger clubs so hence the wall to wall coverage.

I've watched this unfold on twitter. Initially L'pool fans weren't impressed and a lot of FSG out types were kicking off. Then the smarter ones took the time to find out a little bit more and were a little bit placated now he's okay but I think it is because they are getting Kabak and boy have  I read some absolute tosh on that one.

What do you think of Kabak?

Rumours are that Ben Davies has been signed for a low fee with a big sell on clause. Preston (and Liverpool) clearly see him as a short term gamble who can be flipped for a big price in 18 months time.
Title: Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
Post by: Standaman on February 02, 2021, 01:45:42 AM
What do you think of Kabak?

Rumours are that Ben Davies has been signed for a low fee with a big sell on clause. Preston (and Liverpool) clearly see him as a short term gamble who can be flipped for a big price in 18 months time.

Everything around him says potentially very good at 20 with 77 first team appearances and a Champions League Debut for Galatasaray at 18. Looks good even in a seriously bad Schalke team. Some excited souls talking about him being the long term successor to Van-Dijk and he might prove to be but he does need to train on. Having better players around him will help but he does need to develop certainly in possession.