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Last Match Forum - 18/01 Stoke City (H) / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: January 17, 2025, 11:34:31 PM »
It may sound really petty but i just really hate Stoke City, I always look forward to playing them. When they used to sing 'We always beat West Brom' it was horrible, fingers crossed we don't hear that tomorrow.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Tony Mowbray appointed as Head Coach
« on: January 17, 2025, 11:31:45 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6067852/2025/01/17/tony-mowbray-west-brom-cancer-middlesbrough-interview?source=user-shared-article

Tony Mowbray is up off the settee and signalling to follow him into another room where he keeps memorabilia from over 40 years in professional football. He looks lean, strong, and, as he says, “ready”.

Past framed jerseys in a small office, Mowbray is immediately enthusing, as he does, about images of players and clubs, not just him and his.

There’s a photograph of the Charlton brothers with their 1950s quiffs; a panorama from the 2000 First Division play-off final at Wembley, in which Mowbray scored Ipswich Town’s opening goal; a cartoon featuring Brian Clough; and a framed quotation from former U.S. president Theodore Roosevelt about “the man who is actually in the arena… who, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly”.

Mowbray points to the words and says: “That’s what I live my life by.”

Life and Tony Mowbray: they have had a tense 12 months.

This was Thursday afternoon in the family home south of Middlesbrough. Some 48 hours earlier, Mowbray had been on his way back from Manchester after his latest hospital appointment when he received a call from his doctor to say the chief radiologist had seen his latest test results. The message was: everything’s clear.

Relieved, refreshed, “energised” in his description, Mowbray phoned his mother, Margaret. She still lives in the Redcar house in which Mowbray was raised.

“She’s 82 in April and I keep telling her to stop following football,” Mowbray says, smiling. “She worries about football. She says she’s enjoyed the last year because she’s not had to worry (about me and football).” He is laughing, shaking his head.

But Mowbray is back now, accepting the job at West Bromwich Albion on Friday morning. Margaret probably knew it would happen because Tony’s connection to football feels umbilical.

He recalls his first sighting of Middlesbrough’s old ground, Ayresome Park, at the age of eight when his father, Clive, interrupted a primary school class to take his son out. Clive Mowbray was a steelworks scaffolder whose nickname was ‘Killer’. The teacher said nothing.

“We’re going to see George Best,” Clive told his son. Middlesbrough had Manchester United at home.

And when relaying the story of Tuesday, Mowbray says the radiologist his Manchester United-supporting doctor Jonathan Wild contacted is Colin Bell’s son. (For younger readers, Colin Bell is a Manchester City legend; he was born near Hartlepool in Mowbray’s north east.)

“Colin Bell’s son!” Mowbray exclaims. “Colin Bell’s son! Colin Bell’s son says ‘everything’s clear’.”

That judgment meant Mowbray was free to discuss in detail his next move and it turns out his future takes him back to his past, to West Brom, the club he joined in 2006. Mowbray was 42 then and his world was different.

Management would take him from there to Celtic, Middlesbrough, Coventry City, Blackburn Rovers, Sunderland and Birmingham City.

At the last of those, this month last year, Mowbray was starting to make an impact on a struggling team at an ambitious club where Wayne Rooney had just been dismissed.

Then came Mowbray’s unwanted news. Cancer and a year of emotional anxiety and physical agony. At its worst, Mowbray lay in hospital and saw the tears in his children’s eyes “not knowing whether I was going to live”.

But the Tony Mowbray walking into the Hawthorns today is recovered.

“Sitting here, I’m very, very good,” he says. “I’ve no discomfort anywhere. I can go shopping with the wife in Leeds, I can pick the kids up from school. I can have a coffee with Pally (Gary Pallister) as I did this morning. I’m living a normal life.

“I’m back in the gym every morning except Sunday, when I give myself a break. I’m doing weights, abdominals, strengthening. I walk for an hour on the beach. I feel good. My voice is back, you can’t shut me up.

“Six months ago I was told I’d no cancer in my body. On Tuesday, again it was clear. Everything’s good, get on with it. I have no hesitation, I’ve got the energy for it. I know I’m ready. I’m burning. I want to influence a team again, meet young footballers, make them better. I’m pretty relaxed, but it’s burning in here and Amber, my wife, knows that.

“I’ve got 40 years of football knowledge to impart, hopefully, to young players to help create an environment in a stadium that people want to go to. My wife and I went on holiday to the Maldives just to draw a line under the treatment. I feel great, the treatment’s finished.

“I’m energised.”

On this weekend last January, Birmingham City had just won their first match under Mowbray — an FA Cup tie against Hull City. They were about to win a first Championship match, against Stoke City. A Birmingham side that had won four games since August won four more in 35 days under Mowbray.

“I think Birmingham were happy with how I’d started,” he says. “And then this happened.”

‘This’ was a cancer diagnosis following an annual medical examination provided by the League Managers’ Association that Mowbray had not undergone for years.

“Everything was good,” Mowbray says of the medical, “but I had a colonoscopy and they found it there and then. In the doctor’s opinion, it looked cancerous, which was the first time I’d heard the word.

“I drove home from Manchester. I’d to tell my wife first. ‘What are we going to do?’, ‘How are we going to deal with this?’. Medical people don’t go through every detail, I didn’t really know what was coming. They had to book an operation first.

“I had to leave Birmingham City. I did tell them I’d watch games and watch training on my laptop — and I did. But I’d a 10-hour operation a couple of weeks after.”

Even a man of Mowbray’s natural ebullience and resilience understands anatomical reality after 10 hours of surgery. He chuckles now at his optimism; the idea he could or would be back for Birmingham’s pre-season tour in July. From stepping aside in February, Mowbray took leave of absence in March and resigned in May.

All the while, Birmingham, falling towards relegation, kept in touch and he is very appreciative of that, as he is for all the affection and respect shown by clubs and fans across Britain.

But Mowbray had a new hourly and daily challenge to face: bowel cancer.

“I had a stoma attached after the operation on the part of the bowel where there was a cancerous tumour,” he says. “A year ago I wouldn’t have known what a stoma was. Now I do.

“They bring your bowel out through your stomach (stoma) and attach a plastic bag. All of your human waste goes into your bag. It’s mainly liquid. You have lots of medication to try to make it more solid, otherwise you have diarrhoea all day. You are… the best word is wasted."

“You are totally dehydrated, no energy. I remember standing up in the shower and it was too much. I had to sit down. I was just worn out. I couldn’t walk down the stairs. When your body is empty, every step is a chore. You know you’re ill.”

Surgery had removed 15 centimetres of bowel and Mowbray, struggling to eat or drink, was shedding weight, 4.5 stone (28.6kg) in all. His throat shrank so much he could barely speak.

Amber was driving him the five-hour, 250-mile round-trip to Manchester’s Christie Hospital for blood tests and saline rehydration. One trip took five and a half hours just to get there. Mowbray, 6ft 1in (185cm), would lie on the back seat trying to sleep — “I was wasted, she was driving.” Four courses of chemotherapy started. Mowbray looked in the mirror and says he saw “half a man”.

He nods across towards the kitchen and says: “I had two moments on the kitchen floor. My wife had gone to pick the kids up from school. The doorbell rang and I got up from the sofa, I don’t know why. The next thing I knew I was on the floor rubbing my head. I’d collapsed, blacked out. I banged my head on the hard floor. Twice I did that.

“I phoned the hospital and they said come down. I was so dehydrated. My body was empty of fluid. I’d go to Manchester and they’d put me on a saline drip and I’d wake up the next day feeling like I could run a marathon. Unbelievable.”

As for most of us, chemotherapy was a word Mowbray had heard. Experiencing it was altogether different.

He opens his palms and says: “I had these intravenous drips slid into my wrist. I’d sit there for two hours in Manchester. I’d go home, get six tablets a day for three weeks. They were like horse tablets; big, brown. Have a week off, then go back and get the next. We did that four times. It just wears you out.

“I was being told to eat and drink and I was saying: ‘Eat and drink? Are you joking me?’.”

This man, who nostalgically remembers the smell of Bovril and the wafting cigarette smoke on the terraces of Ayresome Park, says “just the smell of food was making me vomit”.

“I was feeling really nauseous. They send you anti-nausea tablets and I was taking 22 tablets a day, I think that was the most. They’re telling me to eat and I was telling a senior nurse down the phone that I couldn’t do it. I’d have to go back down to Manchester to get rehydrated. It was a horrible cycle I was stuck in. You can’t build up any energy to feel normal.”

Gradually, the medication took effect. By July, Mowbray not only felt able to take his three children to Spain on holiday, he wanted to. He wanted to get them out of their environment. They played golf, Mowbray getting around the course on a buggy.

The good news was the doctors said Mowbray could have a “reversal”, a re-stitching of the bowel, an end to the plastic bag. The less good news, and unexpected to him, was that this next operation “hit me hard”.

“The doctors said they could reconnect the bowel back to where it belongs. I was thinking I’d be back to normal, but aw…  I’d basically to lie on the bathroom floor for hours because any movement would mean diving onto the toilet. That was maybe for a couple of weeks. I was exhausted.”

Again, though, there was progress and, while it took months to rebuild strength, by November into December, he felt fit. He was back in the gym and put on weight. Now he is ready to go.

But Mowbray will not forget 2024. He will not forget the day he telephoned Birmingham CEO Garry Cook to say, after all, there would be no return.

“It made me think about death,” Mowbray says of the year. “That day in hospital when I phoned Garry Cook, it was because my kids were crying. I could see the water in their eyes. I know what they were thinking — I’ve been there.”

Mowbray was a player at Celtic in the early 1990s when he met and married Bernadette. She had cancer before they met. Then it returned.

“I sat in a big armchair beside a hospital bed for three months in Glasgow,” he says. “I didn’t go home after training. I just held her hand. She was on steroids for months. In the end, she withered away. Secondary cancer they call it. When we married, she’d had a lumpectomy. She’d been clear for six years…”

Mowbray’s voice trails off. His mobile phone rings. “I’ll call you back.”

He resumes. “Anyway… it was a difficult time. Because I was a footballer. I played an Old Firm game in between going back into hospital and holding her hand. It was difficult. And when she did pass away, I almost stopped being a footballer and became a cancer charity worker. That was because people wanted to do dinners, talks, raise money. I did the book ‘Kissed By An Angel’ for cancer charities.

“I keep in touch with the family, her Dad — that was her sister’s husband on the phone there.

“Bernadette’s in my life all the time. I talk to her at times. When things aren’t good, even in a football context, I put her up in the corner of the room in my mind and talk to her. She loved football. Everybody in Glasgow’s a Celtic fan — well, not everybody (laughs). Half of them. It’s an amazing city, isn’t it? But I’m not sure it suited my temperament. It’s too bitter for me. That city is too harsh for me.

“So, yes, cancer had been in my life.”

Bernadette was 26 when she died. Mowbray was 31. The basic goodness within Mowbray means the sadness he discusses is mixed with appreciation for the nursing staff and the doctors who treated him. He mentions some by name, such as doctors Wild and Sally Harris. He praises the teamwork of the nurses.

“Being in a hospital like the Christie — I’m fortunate that because of football I had private healthcare — but you’d go to parts of that hospital that are NHS and it’s so busy with so many super-ill, fragile people. The scanner is overloaded. I’d sit there and think how fortunate I am.”

On Thursday night, Amad Diallo scored a hat-trick for Manchester United. As he did so, a hashtag appeared on social media.

#sonofmowbray

Amad and Mowbray have been texting. The player came under Mowbray’s guidance at Sunderland in August 2022, a month after Amad’s 20th birthday. He was reserved initially on and off the pitch at the Stadium of Light, but he began to blossom under Mowbray’s nurturing, intelligent coaching.

“Amad gives me the credit for giving him confidence to show people his talent,” Mowbray says. “But he did it himself. I texted him the other day. He’s so humble.

“I didn’t know him at first. I asked the analyst to show me some clips to see what he was all about. He wasn’t the Amad Diallo you see now. He was quiet, shy, mixed in with the French kids. But you can’t hide talent.

“He was strong. With his hips and backside, he could hold people off and the ball was stuck to his left foot. There was one training session when no one could get the ball off him and he was smashing it in the top corner. It’s not clever management to put them in. You just have to. Their talent is telling you that.”

At Mowbray’s club before Sunderland, Blackburn, where he was manager for five years, another young talent he encouraged was Adam Wharton. Now 20, of Crystal Palace and England, Wharton was 13 when Mowbray took over at Ewood Park and it was only in his last couple of years that he invited the teenager to train with the first team.

When he did, Mowbray and assistant Mark Venus would leave training for a familiar conversation.

“Veno loves a technician,” Mowbray says. “He used to laugh. He’d come in after training and say: ‘Just so I’m not going daft, who was the best player in training today?’.

“I’m saying ‘I know, I know’, but you can’t put him in the team when he’s 15! Veno would then compare him to Paul Scholes.

“Adam trained with us every day. His older brother, Scott, was more dominant and he was in the team. Adam was a skinny kid, not very fast, not very strong — but in over a year’s training, I never saw him lose the ball once. He had all the pictures.”

Mentoring, coaxing, as well as technical coaching; this is what Mowbray does with players young and old. He wants to do it again, get a team playing “front-foot, no-fear football”.

It doesn’t always triumph and he laughs again when remembering how Alan Hansen would criticise him “every Saturday night” on Match of the Day the first time around at West Brom — “a bit like Ange Postecoglou today. ‘Why is Mowbray still doing this?’, ‘They need to change’.

“I like Alan Hansen, what a footballer, but they used to hammer me. Ultimately, we did get relegated, but we played some great football.”

He is going back to the Albion, where the Championship and promotion to the Premier League were won in 2008. Above the chess set outside his office is another photograph, of James Morrison and Jonathan Greening holding the Championship trophy aloft the day it was secured at QPR’s Loftus Road.

“I like the history of clubs,” Mowbray says. “I went to Coventry City because of 1987 — Keith Houchen, diving header, Wembley, the FA Cup. And West Brom, it was a no-brainer to me then because of Bryan Robson, Remi Moses, Brendon Batson, Cyrille Regis. What a team.

“That’s what I like. What I feel I try to do is give them that back. I try to give them the beautiful game back because of the history of what they’ve done. I know there are people in that stadium who saw those players — not everybody is 19, 20. There are people in their 70s who saw Robson, Batson, Derek Statham.

“I’m not saying we can recreate that, but we can be positive, attacking and try to make them smile.”

Tony Mowbray is smiling again. He has endured, he is flowing, talking up the game itself. “Soldiers and artists” is one of his trademark phrases regarding teamwork. He is both.

The romantic realist returns.

Reading this it just makes me think i am really happy this man is back at my club. Growing up he gave me some of my favourite memories and living in the orange side of the Midlands, he made going to school bearable as every time we played them we seemed to win.

Sometimes fate works in a weird way and the move for Wicky falling through could work out great for us. I'm looking forward to giving him a welcome back tomorrow and then the hard work begins.

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: January 16, 2025, 09:26:00 PM »
Southampton 1-0 up at Old Trafford and well worth it.

The money that some of these United players cost in comparison to how they play is incredible. That Antony is woeful.

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL CHAMPIONSHIP THREAD
« on: January 16, 2025, 05:23:49 PM »
Farcical scenes at Hillsborough last night in a fans forum with the owner Chansiri

He had a go at Southampton because they had approached Danny Rohl.

Wednesday loan Shea Charles from Saints who has been excellent for them. The deadline to recall him was midnight just gone.

Saints called Chansiri after 5 hours into this fans forum and subsequently recalled him  ;D

You can imagine the reaction when he announced it to the forum.

Absolute muppet.

I was just coming on to write something about this having read it from last night. I can't believe an owner can be so petty, some of the things he was saying about the fan base and the manager were comical! There is no way on earth that their manager sticks around if he continues to behave like a child, he was effectively throwing him under the bus at every opportunity from the sound of it.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Reyes Cleary
« on: January 16, 2025, 01:46:20 PM »
Grant as center forward to be subbed  if necessary with Cleary, especially if we were 2 or 3 up.

In no way should Cleary be ahead of subbing on Cole, he couldn't get a kick at a league 2 side. I think injuries have unfortunately played their part with his development but realistically he should be nowhere near our squad currently and probably for his own good he needs to move on and find regular football lower down the pyramid.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next Head Coach Thread
« on: January 14, 2025, 01:19:41 PM »
Mowbray seems the best option now if he was to get the all clear this week. Luton have already replaced their manager, don't even think Rob Edwards has been gone a week.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next Head Coach Thread
« on: January 13, 2025, 01:43:23 PM »
Really annoyed at how this has played out. It also goes to show the person we approach next that they were not first choice and are more than likely going to agree to work with what staff they have here if it's to be believed. Funny how none of the twitter ITK's saw this coming, it's almost as if they are full of rubbish.

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Last Match Forum - 04/01 Swansea City (A) / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 04, 2025, 02:33:16 PM »
Completely threw that game away with the subs, completely unnecessary. An important week ahead and i hope we can move forward to making an appointment ready for the next league game because we can't keep throwing away results like that.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next Head Coach Thread
« on: January 02, 2025, 10:46:52 AM »
I wasn't against Luke Williams at first but the way he has acted since the links started means i would stay well clear. The way he is treating Swansea currently when he is asked about the job is disrespectful in my opinion and apparently he did the same whilst at Notts County.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next Head Coach Thread
« on: December 31, 2024, 10:28:21 AM »
He took Coventry to a play off final - many would break our backs for that because it looks very unlikely here.

People cite the money at Coventry - but how much of that was earned off the back of Robins in the first place? He wasn’t given a windfall. He built it with the signings and improvement in Gyokeres and Harmer.

And although he spent money in the last two windows, there’s clearly a strict profile of player that Coventry and Robins wanted. Of the last three windows Robins had, only one player was above the age of 25. The others were signings between 21-25 who could be improved with good coaching and later sold for a profit. That process was cut short but self sustainability sounds good in my book.

We could do a lot worse.

I did like the idea of Robins but the more i read it seemed pretty clear that his bad run of form coincided with his Assistant leaving him so i would worry about that moving forward.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Ousmane Diakite Signs
« on: December 30, 2024, 11:45:00 PM »
Just remember Diakite cost us a win against the Blades.

I feel like that's harsh. I was very critical of him first half but second half he completely turned it around and if we're going to say he cost us the goal which is fair, you can argue he saved us potentially from conceding two off the top of my head.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: December 29, 2024, 11:55:54 PM »
I wouldn’t believe a word he says personally.

He’s playing the gallery.

Agree with this. After the home game he mentioned that he had x amount of players under 22 but failing to mention included in those were Burrows, Gilchrist and Rak-Sayki, the later probably being worth more than most our squad. Hearing him talk about us subbing on Swift and Cole you would have thought we were bringing on superstars but it's all to make him/them look better.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: December 29, 2024, 02:35:40 PM »
Really happy with that point and the big thing was we deserved it. I heavily criticised Diakite first half but he shut me up second half with a much improved performance, this is why i'm not a coach  ;D

Molumby my MOTM, he was literally everywhere.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: December 29, 2024, 01:15:21 PM »
I feel sorry for Diakite but he has to come off if we stand any chance of getting anything here.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: December 29, 2024, 01:04:43 PM »
Absolute clanger, how has he missed that ffs.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next Head Coach Thread
« on: December 28, 2024, 10:50:17 PM »
People complaining about Corberan will not tolerate Eustace. I had a browse at one of their message boards and they do rate him very highly but this comment stuck out..

'The only note of caution I would sound is that the way we play I think there's a very fine line between nicking games 1-0, or drawing them,or losing by the same scoreline.'

He is having a very good season this year and arguably overachieving but last year he had the championship top goal scorer and won 4 in 18. I would personally rather go in a different direction.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next Head Coach Thread
« on: December 27, 2024, 01:38:37 PM »
Won a European trophy in 2023, not bad for a dinosaur. If there is any chance that it is affordable and he is interested, then he would easily be my first choice.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Uros Racic joins on loan
« on: December 26, 2024, 09:32:14 PM »
He really is a terrible.

I read today that now cc has gone, they are now reconsidering whether to send him back as was planned, until a new manager had seen him.

There's nothing to see anymore, he is just not good enough and for someone his size he has absolutely no presence.

Agree with every word, we have to cut our losses with him surely.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Carlos Corberan
« on: December 23, 2024, 05:04:27 PM »
I think their finances make us look like Manchester City, hopefully nothing in it but if there is then i struggle to see how he would turn them down if i'm honest.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Carlos Corberan
« on: December 20, 2024, 09:31:23 AM »
Very happy that it looks like Southampton have gone elsewhere.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Caleb Taylor
« on: December 19, 2024, 03:02:49 PM »
I feel like with both Caleb and Josh Griffiths the time is coming quickly where they will want to be playing frequently or they may look at moving on.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Carlos Corberan
« on: December 19, 2024, 02:56:45 PM »
Not sure how true it is obviously but there has been an article posted in a Spanish newspaper claiming Carlos is Southamptons first choice. The newspaper has 3.3m followers on twitter and the article is on it's website so maybe has some truth in it?

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Uros Racic joins on loan
« on: December 15, 2024, 04:14:02 PM »
I was excited when we signed him based on his profile but he has been seriously underwhelming.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: December 15, 2024, 04:01:06 PM »
Starting 11 was all wrong, got what we deserved ultimately. Number 8 for Watford was brilliant.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Carlos Corberan
« on: December 06, 2024, 02:34:27 PM »
There is a little bit of noise that the Dingles have Corberan on their potential list of replacements for the Might Gary O’Neil…
If they officially approached that would be very interesting .

I watched the first half of their game against Everton and i'll say it quietly, he would probably be a good fit for them. Going forward they clearly have no issues, Cunha could play for any team in that league in my opinion and he would certainly make them harder to beat. One thing i would say is my two best mates are Wolves fans and have been unhappy with the increase in tickets this season, would their fans be willing to pay that high of amount to watch the style of football that he would play?

I have asked and this journalist apparently got a few Wolves things correct before, i'm hoping that this time he has got it wrong.

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