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Title: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 26, 2020, 06:53:12 PM
With Six Nations matches now been cancelled, I believe that there is a possibility that our promotion is at risk, if the virus does get a hold in the UK, all public gatherings will probably be prevented, matches could be played behind closed doors, all would they just cancel the season?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Wigmore on February 26, 2020, 07:45:11 PM
I demand that the FA stop all matches after Saturday's fixtures and declare the season over, with all current league positions confirmed as the final placings. ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on February 26, 2020, 07:48:48 PM
I think the issue is with this zoonotic virus is about containment and ensuring it doesn’t spread and causes sickness as we do with the flu virus. In its present form it is not an indiscriminate  killer virus.

Young people will, invariably, survive the infection,  while the elderly, who have underlying health issue to start with, are more at risk of dying

It’s about containment and ensuring the virus doesn’t mutate into something more lethal imo.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: silver surfer on February 26, 2020, 08:05:48 PM
Coronavirus has a long way to go rival Influenza which kills somewhere between 200-600 thousand worldwide year on year.

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 26, 2020, 08:09:04 PM
I don't think it's a threat to our season as games can be played behind closed doors.

What is worrying about it is 2% fatality rate will primary be the elderly and those with underlying health conditions the really worry will be how the 5 million who need acute care to survive will be dealt with. That 2% mortality rate could increase rapidly when the hospitals get swamped. The containment and closures of cities is to stem the tide of infection not stop it IMO.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 26, 2020, 08:28:49 PM
Coronavirus has a long way to go rival Influenza which kills somewhere between 200-600 thousand worldwide year on year.

When it infects as many people as flu does add two zeros to those figures.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 26, 2020, 09:20:13 PM
A concern about a pneumonia, but still have to carry on.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: kirk on February 26, 2020, 09:28:33 PM
I don't think it's a threat to our season as games can be played behind closed doors.

What is worrying about it is 2% fatality rate will primary be the elderly and those with underlying health conditions the really worry will be how the 5 million who need acute care to survive will be dealt with. That 2% mortality rate could increase rapidly when the hospitals get swamped. The containment and closures of cities is to stem the tide of infection not stop it IMO.

Worst case scenario is 600k deaths ... remember that is the worst case scenario, normal flu kills over 17,000 per year already. Currently 85% of people only have mild symptoms
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 26, 2020, 10:47:38 PM
I work in gov, doesn't matter where. We had a draft Coronovirus directive a week back and a bigger document today. If the virus became properly global, to the point of basically everyone getting it, a 3-5% kill rate is expected. In part because it'll overwhelm the system.

I wouldn't be surprised in the worst circumstances for them to delay next season or at worst skip a year. Doubt it'll affect this season now we're so close to the end
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: geoff on February 26, 2020, 10:54:26 PM
If the worst came to the worst i think they would play the games behind locked doors & show the games live on tv were possable.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on February 27, 2020, 09:30:19 AM
in a disaster scenario, the halfords becomes empty and the smethwick relocates there. There will be flasks and car blankets aplenty available for free in Halfords Lane.
Groty Dick will NEVER be heard of again, the big screens will be showing one hell of a list and stadium expansion becomes a moot point.

Oh and **** I am approaching 61 with underlying issues, see ya !
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: chipperclark on February 28, 2020, 04:35:52 AM
 :-* :-* Only if he is playing centre forward ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on February 28, 2020, 10:15:05 PM
The Mail is now saying the entire season could be declared void, which is a real worry as the Mail never prints rubbish to frighten old people, so it must be true
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 28, 2020, 10:26:04 PM
The Mail is now saying the entire season could be declared void, which is a real worry as the Mail never prints rubbish to frighten old people, so it must be true
More false news?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albertbaggie on February 28, 2020, 10:29:46 PM
The Mail is now saying the entire season could be declared void, which is a real worry as the Mail never prints rubbish to frighten old people, so it must be true
They've clear found a way to get clickbait
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on February 28, 2020, 10:37:23 PM
They've clear found a way to get clickbait
Can't resist it  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on February 29, 2020, 05:31:46 PM
Idiots at Mail right wing conspiracy theorists
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggy nerd on March 01, 2020, 11:05:25 PM
There is a chance that this could end with major gatherings being stopped, but at this stage it seems like only a small chance.
How would the season be concluded if the worst came to the worst? I suppose games would have to be played behind closed doors, there is no way the season will be declared void.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on March 02, 2020, 01:59:19 AM
.......I believe that there is a possibility that our promotion is at risk.........

At the risk of seeming ironically blase, I believe the only risk to our promotion bid is that of complacency.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tuamigos on March 02, 2020, 07:17:51 AM
If large public gatherings are to be banned then we may have to watch the rest of the season from our armchairs
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on March 02, 2020, 10:28:44 AM
Radio commentary it is then.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: KN22 on March 02, 2020, 12:50:40 PM
If large public gatherings are to be banned then we may have to watch the rest of the season from our armchairs

There's enough armchair experts on here already  :D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 06, 2020, 08:36:41 PM
Looks as though it might be going behind closed doors with no tv broadcasts


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/51777154 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/51777154)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: wbarenno on March 06, 2020, 09:00:03 PM
Looks as though it might be going behind closed doors with no tv broadcasts


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/51777154 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/51777154)

Doesn’t say anything on there about no tv broadcasts mate , games will be on sky , sky will make sure of that , if anyone’s going to make money out of this it will be sky tv  :D

Think the main difference between here and Italy is 200 people have died from the virus there where as 2 have died from it here .
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TLMS17 on March 06, 2020, 09:35:04 PM
No threat whatsoever
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 06, 2020, 10:03:46 PM
Doesn’t say anything on there about no tv broadcasts mate , games will be on sky , sky will make sure of that , if anyone’s going to make money out of this it will be sky tv  :D

Think the main difference between here and Italy is 200 people have died from the virus there where as 2 have died from it here .

The argument last night was, "there's no point in playing matches behind closed doors if fans are going the gather at the pub to watch on tv".
IMO it looks as though contingencies are being made to discourage gatherings of any sort if the situation passes a certain threshold.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 07, 2020, 08:01:04 AM
I’m waiting for someone to explain that coronavirus has got 10 difficult matches and the most points it can get is 92 ,but we have a better goal difference so it shouldn’t affect our season 😃
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BB74 on March 07, 2020, 09:06:12 AM
I was looking into Swine Flu yesterday off the back of this and wondered if it was still kicking around. To my amazement it is! It has now been merged into the ‘seasonal flu’ grouping and it just constantly goes round.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 07, 2020, 08:44:08 PM
You cannot handshake at the start of a match.....but every player shook hands at the end....stupid bloody world we live in.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: KingKoren on March 07, 2020, 09:16:14 PM
On the stream I watched the commentator pointed out they weren't shaking hands meanwhile it cuts to Bilic shaking hands with all the opposition coaches
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 07, 2020, 09:42:51 PM
On the stream I watched the commentator pointed out they weren't shaking hands meanwhile it cuts to Bilic shaking hands with all the opposition coaches
Normally Slav shakes hands with everyone at a press conference. Recently, he just did the 'jazz hands' beforehand. Nothing wrong with handshakes. Just remember not to stick your fingers in your gob. Or rub your beard. It’s a hard habit to break.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggy nerd on March 08, 2020, 11:23:44 PM
It will be interesting to see what comes out of the government meeting tomorrow. With the escalation in Italy, I think we need to head into the 'delay' stage quickly and I feel some sport going behind closed doors is getting more likely.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tuamigos on March 09, 2020, 06:22:27 AM
It will be interesting to see what comes out of the government meeting tomorrow. With the escalation in Italy, I think we need to head into the 'delay' stage quickly and I feel some sport going behind closed doors is getting more likely.

Looks like its already decided that the Wolves v Olympiakos games is to be played behind closed doors this week.
I'd expect our sport admin bodies to follow suit quite quickly unless they deem the money more important
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: seteefeet on March 09, 2020, 11:09:12 AM
Has an air of inevitability about it now. Just hope they see sense and play the season out, whatever happens.
As much as I'd love to see Liverpool's bubble burst, to void the season now would be absolute madness and would have a knock on effect right down to non-league.
If we go behind closed doors Sky should transfer the games to Sky Sports Mix or even Sky 1 to open them up to a wider audience and restrict the temptation of public gatherings.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ronnie_allen on March 09, 2020, 11:57:41 AM
Has an air of inevitability about it now. Just hope they see sense and play the season out, whatever happens.
As much as I'd love to see Liverpool's bubble burst, to void the season now would be absolute madness and would have a knock on effect right down to non-league.
If we go behind closed doors Sky should transfer the games to Sky Sports Mix or even Sky 1 to open them up to a wider audience and restrict the temptation of public gatherings.

Also; if we go to games behind closed doors; will that lift the reason for the Saturday 3pm restriction and aim to get more games on TV/streaming. Or just get around it by moving a lot of matches at short notice outside of the 3pm slot as only those directly involved with the game could be impacted.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: miggybaggy on March 09, 2020, 12:28:20 PM
The world has officially gone mad..... right now dozens of planes are arriving in the UK from Italy and nobody is being checked. About 17 left Milan for London yesterday and everyone just walked straight through....and quite likely straight on to the tubes and taxis into the west end. 5 million use the undergound every working day. This virus has a two week incubation period.

I give up.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 09, 2020, 01:13:45 PM
The world has officially gone mad..... right now dozens of planes are arriving in the UK from Italy and nobody is being checked. About 17 left Milan for London yesterday and everyone just walked straight through....and quite likely straight on to the tubes and taxis into the west end. 5 million use the undergound every working day. This virus has a two week incubation period.

I give up.


The advise is all those people should self-quarantine even if they have no symptoms. They need to get from the airport to their home somehow.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on March 11, 2020, 03:18:58 PM
I don't think the season will be completed "normally"now, but there will only be 6 games left after next week, so I expect some way will be found to get there, behind closed doors maybe
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 11, 2020, 03:30:03 PM
Today my workplace began 'senior management contingency planning' for a possible two week closure starting at any-point in the next four weeks and probably with minimal warning.
 ???
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on March 11, 2020, 03:42:17 PM
I am not sure if it is a risk to our promotion, as the likelihood is the season will be extended- which would favour us over other teams- time to get our relatively strong squad fully fit.  However, I think that Brentford will be the last match played with a crowd for a while, and possibly the last match per se for a while. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2020, 03:45:07 PM
Today my workplace began 'senior management contingency planning' for a possible two week closure starting at any-point in the next four weeks and probably with minimal warning.
 ???

I suggest 2 weeks is optimistic, our chinese suppliers workers left in Jan and a lot are still not back, also the HK / Shenzhen border is still virtually closed.

Despite what the media is saying this is NOT a 2 week problem. It maybe for an individual, but not for a community. 
If you know any old folks on their own, let them know you are available if needed as they will be worried sick at the moment and some re-assurance might go a long way.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: wbarenno on March 11, 2020, 05:18:20 PM
I am not sure if it is a risk to our promotion, as the likelihood is the season will be extended- which would favour us over other teams- time to get our relatively strong squad fully fit.  However, I think that Brentford will be the last match played with a crowd for a while, and possibly the last match per se for a while.

I think we may get through till the Sheffield Wednesday game with a crowd then there’s a two week break anyway . Could be a lot longer
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 11, 2020, 05:32:53 PM
Club just announced a restriction on access to players

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/march/albion-introduce-measures-to-tackle-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR3z4WZDcfs6Lp9I5c84Pqz1KvoI8fC7xivjaVOqufoy7KFHLuPEY-835Qo (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/march/albion-introduce-measures-to-tackle-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR3z4WZDcfs6Lp9I5c84Pqz1KvoI8fC7xivjaVOqufoy7KFHLuPEY-835Qo)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on March 11, 2020, 10:36:02 PM
As of tonight I doubt competitive football across Europe will continue much longer. If the season completes at all in England it will be behind closed doors.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggy nerd on March 11, 2020, 11:24:25 PM
As of tonight I doubt competitive football across Europe will continue much longer. If the season completes at all in England it will be behind closed doors.
Yes the rumours are that we are now close to the delay phase and that will surely mean behind closed doors matches. Some of tomorrow's papers are reporting this will happen with season ticket holders getting special access to watch streams.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on March 11, 2020, 11:35:50 PM
Yes the rumours are that we are now close to the delay phase and that will surely mean behind closed doors matches. Some of tomorrow's papers are reporting this will happen with season ticket holders getting special access to watch streams.

At this juncture football is the most important thing of the unimportant things and the only important thing is doing what is right to mitigate the biggest single threat to public health in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: royhan on March 12, 2020, 04:07:28 AM
After today's COBRA meeting it looks as if the Government will ramp up the measures to try and stop the spread of the disease. If playing matches behind closed doors is considered necessary then no one can really complain.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tuamigos on March 12, 2020, 06:23:32 AM
After today's COBRA meeting it looks as if the Government will ramp up the measures to try and stop the spread of the disease. If playing matches behind closed doors is considered necessary then no one can really complain.

Just reading that the NBA have suspended their season until further notice
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Critical Baggie on March 12, 2020, 08:09:52 AM
Sources from the Times indicating all matches in England to be played behind closed doors from as early as today.

Well...at least our players won't be feeling any 'pressure' of expectation from our home fans (if that was ever a thing).
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 12, 2020, 08:20:34 AM
Hmmmmm just musing aloud and not wishing to sound churlish but if I miss the last few home games due to being locked out do I get an equivalent discount on next seasons season ticket?
I assume that similarly if locked out a refund is due to me on the two away match and travel tickets sitting in my wallet ATM?
Be a bit daft to buy away tickets and travel for anything else going forward until the situation is clarified
Fresh thought now I'm on a roll, could the cup final be played behind closed doors?
It's also going to be very difficult times for those smaller clubs who need the income from the concessions as well as ticket sales
Fingers crossed for every one and everything but only after having washed them whilst humming 'happy birthday to me' a few times!
COYB 
PS for clarity and to answer the OP question, no it's not a threat its just that there is a good chance many/most/all of us won't be there to enjoy it in person
PPS There is an assumption here that only supporters can catch or transmit Covid 19 to others and that professional footballers or the support staff of a football club are somehow magically immune!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: wbarenno on March 12, 2020, 08:22:15 AM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/games-to-be-played-behind-closed-doors-as-part-of-coronavirus-crisis-plan-h8bcxm2bj
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: johnny Cash on March 12, 2020, 08:31:17 AM
When Bury went bust it was said that there were probably 10-15 clubs all on a knife edge.  If true, this unexpected interruption could well push a few over, as its likely to with a number of organisations.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on March 12, 2020, 08:47:03 AM
I pretty sure that even playing games behind closed doors will attract 1,000's of fans to the stadium
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 12, 2020, 08:51:31 AM
I pretty sure that even playing games behind closed doors will attract 1,000's of fans to the stadium

I'm pretty sure if that happens, the season will be suspended.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 12, 2020, 09:24:32 AM
yes totally agree all games should as of now be played behind closed doors for a period of time
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on March 12, 2020, 09:28:05 AM
Well if they play all the matches behind closed doors then they should ban them on TV or else fans will just congregate at the pubs to watch them.  Or will they close the pubs as well !!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 12, 2020, 09:34:01 AM
Well if they play all the matches behind closed doors then they should ban them on TV or else fans will just congregate at the pubs to watch them.  Or will they close the pubs as well !!
I believe the idea is to not allow pubs to show the games but you know what us supporters is like where there's a will there's a way and I'n definitely not going to be paying a broadcaster to watch a game I have already paid to watch with my season ticket
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: boinging_along on March 12, 2020, 09:43:07 AM
To try and hear the players shouting to each other from the east stand car park?

Still more atmosphere than Villa Park.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggy nerd on March 12, 2020, 09:49:24 AM
Hmmmmm just musing aloud and not wishing to sound churlish but if I miss the last few home games due to being locked out do I get an equivalent discount on next seasons season ticket?
I assume that similarly if locked out a refund is due to me on the two away match and travel tickets sitting in my wallet ATM?
Be a bit daft to buy away tickets and travel for anything else going forward until the situation is clarified
Fresh thought now I'm on a roll, could the cup final be played behind closed doors?
It's also going to be very difficult times for those smaller clubs who need the income from the concessions as well as ticket sales
Fingers crossed for every one and everything but only after having washed them whilst humming 'happy birthday to me' a few times!
COYB 
PS for clarity and to answer the OP question, no it's not a threat its just that there is a good chance many/most/all of us won't be there to enjoy it in person
PPS There is an assumption here that only supporters can catch or transmit Covid 19 to others and that professional footballers or the support staff of a football club are somehow magically immune!
Regarding season tickets you will need to look at the terms and conditions.

Under these circumstances you would hope that clubs and supporters can work together amicably to sort something out. If not refunds, then something could carry over to next season.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on March 12, 2020, 09:53:36 AM
They need to give us some sort of compensation. Probably give us a free cup match next year !!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 12, 2020, 09:54:52 AM
Regarding season tickets you will need to look at the terms and conditions.

Under these circumstances you would hope that clubs and supporters can work together amicably to sort something out. If not refunds, then something could carry over to next season.

It's only rumours at the moment, but from what I read last night, ticket holders will be able to stream games foc. (Assume, using the ifollow stream).
Transmissions to pubs etc will not be available,
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tuamigos on March 12, 2020, 11:38:25 AM
It's only rumours at the moment, but from what I read last night, ticket holders will be able to stream games foc. (Assume, using the ifollow stream).
Transmissions to pubs etc will not be available,

 ;D Really?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: wbarenno on March 12, 2020, 11:39:55 AM
;D Really?

 :D Think how many pubs show games illegally now , nothing will change some pubs will still show the games
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 12, 2020, 12:14:52 PM
:D Think how many pubs show games illegally now , nothing will change some pubs will still show the games
And so they should. When we play, I’m usually the only f*cker in there anyway. 🤪
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: boinging_along on March 12, 2020, 12:22:48 PM
If the season gets suspended for a couple of weeks we might get Diangana back for a couple of extra games. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 12, 2020, 12:40:23 PM
Schools and colleges in Ireland to close and Mclaren have withdrawn from the season opener in Australia
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 12, 2020, 12:42:11 PM
If they're going down this road, can't they just postpone the season until the virus is under control?

That must surely be better than playing behind closed doors.

I guess the FA and Premier League are only caring about themselves and have not taken into account the lower league clubs who depend on income from matchdays to survive.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tuamigos on March 12, 2020, 12:53:22 PM
If they're going down this road, can't they just postpone the season until the virus is under control?

That must surely be better than playing behind closed doors.

I guess the FA and Premier League are only caring about themselves and have not taken into account the lower league clubs who depend on income from matchdays to survive.

If we all go down with Corona I would imagine the last thing on our minds will be the solvency of your local football club
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on March 12, 2020, 12:54:46 PM
Hmmmmm just musing aloud and not wishing to sound churlish but if I miss the last few home games due to being locked out do I get an equivalent discount on next seasons season ticket? I assume that similarly if locked out a refund is due to me on the two away match and travel tickets sitting in my wallet ATM?..............

I was thinking about this the other day. If Mark Jenkins suddenly coughs and splutters it'll more likely be down to a coronary at the thought of the above as opposed to being infected with coronavirus. Genuinely unsure as to how this would work given club budgets and contracted liabilities/expenditures. I'd be amazed if players agreed to taking pay cuts in the eventuality of a lock down. Other club employees will also still need to be paid as their mortgages and car loans etc won't pay for themselves.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on March 12, 2020, 01:21:37 PM
Can not see season finishing in May, player's will not I believe put their health at risk by being confined with team mates who could possibly have virus. Flue in the camp causes havoc this disease could kill you.
One or two games could be played behind closed doors but that's about it in my opinion, what they do after that is anyones guess.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: seteefeet on March 12, 2020, 01:35:10 PM
Can not see season finishing in May, player's will not I believe put their health at risk by being confined with team mates who could possibly have virus. Flue in the camp causes havoc this disease could kill you.
One or two games could be played behind closed doors but that's about it in my opinion, what they do after that is anyones guess.
Exactly. Playing behind closed doors is only a solution until the players start to be affected which, let's face it, will inevitably happen before all games can be played.
Shut down now, play any outstanding games-in-hand, to ensure all teams have played the same amount, and call it a day. Wherever you are after that is where you finish the season. No-one can really moan because they've all had the same opportunity since August.

We go up with Leeds and the play-offs are delayed until later in the year.

Only downside is Villa would have a one-off game at home to Sheff Utd. to stay up and we all know how that goes!
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Post by: paulosull on March 12, 2020, 01:56:19 PM
Exactly. Playing behind closed doors is only a solution until the players start to be affected which, let's face it, will inevitably happen before all games can be played.
Shut down now, play any outstanding games-in-hand, to ensure all teams have played the same amount, and call it a day. Wherever you are after that is where you finish the season. No-one can really moan because they've all had the same opportunity since August.

We go up with Leeds and the play-offs are delayed until later in the year.

Only downside is Villa would have a one-off game at home to Sheff Utd. to stay up and we all know how that goes!
that could cause a lot of litigation with clubs that are in relagation zone and respective league's. More likely suspension for month or two then games played Saturday, Tuesday until fixtures are completed.
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Post by: BoingFlyer on March 12, 2020, 02:28:26 PM
quote from BBC

Brendan Rogers says a number of Leicester players have shown symptoms of coronavirus and have been “kept away from the squad”.

even closed doors won't cut it if the players can't play.
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Post by: jamesh_91 on March 12, 2020, 02:48:57 PM
quote from BBC

Brendan Rogers says a number of Leicester players have shown symptoms of coronavirus and have been “kept away from the squad”.

even closed doors won't cut it if the players can't play.

And my friend saw Harvey Barnes and Choudry with Barry, Livermore, HRK and Barry at Cheltenham yesterday.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 12, 2020, 02:53:13 PM
And my friend saw Harvey Barnes and Choudry with Barry, Livermore, HRK and Barry at Cheltenham yesterday.

Is that the Barry brothers?  8)
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Post by: Albionic on March 12, 2020, 02:57:38 PM
Barry, Barry, Mick and Murphy went to Cheltenham,....

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Post by: johnny Cash on March 12, 2020, 03:14:18 PM
If they're going down this road, can't they just postpone the season until the virus is under control?

That must surely be better than playing behind closed doors.

I guess the FA and Premier League are only caring about themselves and have not taken into account the lower league clubs who depend on income from matchdays to survive.

I dont know if suspending the season will neccesarily help. Cash flow issues are one of the big reasons companies fail, and even if you suspend the games, the staff who still have mortgages to play will still want paying.  The fact the cash may come in a few months doesnt neccesarily help the hear and now.
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Post by: ttree30 on March 12, 2020, 03:41:04 PM
I don't think we're heading for a case of "behind closed doors" for long, if we even get that far. Not now.

Once players are getting infected the whole thing will shut down very soon. Everything will be suspended, and it's hard to say for how long.

Who knows what that will that mean for the finances of struggling clubs and for the league season. How they'll resolve things with around 20% of the programme left is anyone's guess, especially as the FA, EPL and EFL are hardly famed for their co-ordinated approach.

Many clubs just about exist week-to-week as it is, and would also be hoping for a short-term cash flow boost from early season ticket sales in the next few weeks.

This is a really serious situation. But we're talking about lives being at stake - football and sport have to come a distant second.



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Post by: alex1 on March 12, 2020, 05:00:59 PM
:D Think how many pubs show games illegally now , nothing will change some pubs will still show the games
Depends how high the fines will be, or whether some may lose their licence. 
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Post by: alex1 on March 12, 2020, 05:03:26 PM
I pretty sure that even playing games behind closed doors will attract 1,000's of fans to the stadium
In Germany the Ruhr derby, Borussia Dortmund v Schalke is to be played behind close doors, and the police have warned fans to keep away from the stadium.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 12, 2020, 05:36:12 PM
Pessimist that I am, I think the season will be void and the consequence of that for us would be dire.

If that is the case, one option could be, that next season every club should start with the same squads, managers et al at the date the season was void, with no summer transfers, everything should be frozen for 12 months including players contracts that expire in the summer. I would allow a January transfer window.

These are extraordinary times that require extraordinary measures.
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Post by: Critical Baggie on March 12, 2020, 05:47:36 PM
Pessimist that I am, I think the season will be void and the consequence of that for us would be dire.

If that is the case, one option could be, that next season every club should start with the same squads, managers et al at the date the season was void, with no summer transfers, everything should be frozen for 12 months including players contracts that expire in the summer. I would allow a January transfer window.

These are extraordinary times that require extraordinary measures.

How about promote the teams occupying the top three spots but void any relegations from the PL and play next season with 23 teams. 6 teams for relegation next season  8)
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Post by: Foster#1 on March 12, 2020, 05:48:43 PM
Going by this the Boris statement we will see the weekend throufhz

Joke tbh, shut it all down ATM. Reported up to 10k infected ATM
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Post by: liverbaggie on March 12, 2020, 06:33:25 PM
If companies all paid their bills on time it would solve a lot of problems.
Chase their debtors and don't accept any excuses for not paying their invoices on time.
A jobs not finished until its paid for.
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Post by: adamw1109 on March 12, 2020, 06:39:03 PM
No merge the two divisions for one season only. The top 20 get to be the premiership the year after, the other 24 get relegated

The ultimate blood bath season ;D

Can we combine the refs and the worst 24 get sacked too?  ;D

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggy nerd on March 12, 2020, 07:06:49 PM
If this season is void, at least let the teams start with the points totals they are currently on.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 12, 2020, 08:07:48 PM
Pessimist that I am, I think the season will be void and the consequence of that for us would be dire.


IMO it's unlikely that the season will be voided.

In terms of priority for uk football, because of the EPL &EFL promotion & relegation mechanisms, it's likely that the league programmes will be completed, even if there has to be a two month shutdown.
It's possible that the 2019/20 FA cup competition could be abandoned.
UEFA has called a meeting next week to discuss European knock-out competitions and Euro 2020.
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Post by: elmo_in_swansea on March 12, 2020, 08:14:27 PM
If as seems probable, some games may be played behind closed doors, Birmingham & Brentford next up, how do we feel this will affect us and others in the mix. Is it the same for all or will some teams actually gain some advantage from it? I don't know if I can imagine playing a competitive game in a near empty stadium.
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Post by: gazberg on March 12, 2020, 08:16:01 PM
Just need to be professional and get on with it. Shouldnt make a difference to the players in my eyes. Stick the ball in the onion bag more than the other lot over 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on March 12, 2020, 08:25:50 PM
My wife was supposed to be attending an Albion Foundation thing this evening which was cancelled and she was told "Albion were on lockdown" and she would be told if the Blose game would go ahead soon.

As a the worse case scenario it could be that a player or member of staff has got it or been in contact with someone who has coronavirus.

I hope it's just a precaution and the game is on and nothing has happened behind the scenes.

On a general note, I have read the euros are going to be postponed for a year and that will be announced by uefa next Tuesday after discussions with fifa who apparently have a world club championship next summer.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 12, 2020, 08:33:04 PM
Perhaps something to do with this

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/march/albion-introduce-measures-to-tackle-coronavirus/ (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/march/albion-introduce-measures-to-tackle-coronavirus/)
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Post by: BalisPen on March 12, 2020, 08:44:29 PM
It maybe that, but the mention of the game potentially being off was what surprised me this late in the day.

Apparently there is a government meeting tomorrow about this issue amidst suggestions the government haven't done enough and a Boris knee jerk reaction could be to postpone games like the majority of Europe.
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Post by: EastYorksAlbion on March 12, 2020, 08:53:00 PM
Behind Closed Doors? Sounds like a late night Channel 4 documentary.
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Post by: wbarenno on March 12, 2020, 09:02:38 PM
Behind closed doors shouldn’t even be an option especially for league 1 and league 2 clubs . Could see them go bust.

Euros will be cancelled which gives a lot of time in the summer to catch up on games if needed

Who wants to watch behind closed doors football anyway and your still putting the players and staff at risk
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Post by: WBArgo on March 12, 2020, 10:42:11 PM
Arsenal manager Arteta has tested positive for the virus.

I imagine Arsenal could now avoid playing until he recovers due to it affecting the games so badly? It's a strange situation but could lead to the temporary (or permanent) end of the season.
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Post by: BalisPen on March 12, 2020, 10:45:50 PM
I've got England vs Croatia and a second round game on 27/6/20 at Wembley for the euros and will lose a little bit of money on booked travel, but it could have been worse if it had been abroad trying get refunds from hotels.

This disease was the absolute worst thing that could have happened to the multi city platini euros, and I just cannot see it going ahead.

Rumours are all the European finals will be delayed as long as it takes into the summer, so I don't see why domestic games cannot be postponed until a later date.

I definitely don't want to have games behind closed doors. And if we are lucky to win promotion not going on the pitch to celebrate will be gutting.

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Post by: Standaman on March 12, 2020, 10:52:07 PM
The news has just broken that Mikel Arteta has tested positive. The whole Arsenal squad is in isolation. The Government has for whatever reason decided against banning large scale events but football can't keep going. Wolves are returning from Olympiakos today where there has already been an outbreak centred on the club and which might even be the origin of the Arsenal outbreak.

My initial thoughts that maybe football could limp on maybe playing out fixtures behind closed doors as the least bad option but that looks unlikely now. With regard to the economics of football postponement in the short term is the same as playing behind closed doors i.e. an abrupt interruption to club's cash flow. They will not cope well with this just as many SME's in the real economy won't either if there is significant demand or supply disruption.

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Post by: chipperclark on March 12, 2020, 10:59:02 PM
 :D No one knows "What goes on behind Closed Doors" ...ask Charlie Rich  :P :P :P :P :P. I will grab my coat ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Baggy nerd on March 12, 2020, 11:00:19 PM
The news has just broken that Mikel Arteta has tested positive. The whole Arsenal squad is in isolation. The Government has for whatever reason decided against banning large scale events but football can't keep going. Wolves are returning from Olympiakos today where there has already been an outbreak centred on the club and which might even be the origin of the Arsenal outbreak.

My initial thoughts that maybe football could limp on maybe playing out fixtures behind closed doors as the least bad option but that looks unlikely now. With regard to the economics of football postponement in the short term is the same as playing behind closed doors i.e. an abrupt interruption to club's cash flow. They will not cope well with this just as many SME's in the real economy won't either if there is significant demand or supply disruption.
Yes I too was thinking the season would definitely finish, but have doubts now. I think matches will now be cancelled with the hope of catching up later, but the suggestion is that the peak of this virus is quite a way off yet and the season being voided does not seem so daft as it first appeared. It would be a disaster for us in sporting terms but obviously sport is nothing with something like this happening.
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Post by: chipperclark on March 12, 2020, 11:01:55 PM
If as seems probable, some games may be played behind closed doors, Birmingham & Brentford next up, how do we feel this will affect us and others in the mix. Is it the same for all or will some teams actually gain some advantage from it? I don't know if I can imagine playing a competitive game in a near empty stadium.
:D The "Great Freeze of 1963" made the season extend into May and after the FA Cup. We must also think Euros may be affected.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: lewisant on March 12, 2020, 11:07:53 PM
So in theory... What are the options?

Cancel the season?
Postpone the season?

If the season is postponed then surely the Euros have to be cancelled...there are so many knock-on effects.
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Post by: wba1993dave on March 12, 2020, 11:16:31 PM
I want the season to end asap. NOT bothered about promotion,  too many lives at risk.  I love football and the Albion but it's just a game.
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Post by: ttree30 on March 12, 2020, 11:36:01 PM
The news has just broken that Mikel Arteta has tested positive. The whole Arsenal squad is in isolation. The Government has for whatever reason decided against banning large scale events but football can't keep going. Wolves are returning from Olympiakos today where there has already been an outbreak centred on the club and which might even be the origin of the Arsenal outbreak.

My initial thoughts that maybe football could limp on maybe playing out fixtures behind closed doors as the least bad option but that looks unlikely now. With regard to the economics of football postponement in the short term is the same as playing behind closed doors i.e. an abrupt interruption to club's cash flow. They will not cope well with this just as many SME's in the real economy won't either if there is significant demand or supply disruption.

I think this is the final straw. It’s hard to see games continuing, whether behind closed doors or not. I suppose there’s still a chance some games will go ahead this weekend, but that surely would be the end of it anyway.

What on earth they’ll do about the rest of the season is anyone’s guess, because there’s every chance this could go on for several months. We could easily be up to the scheduled start of next season in August.

But I think tonight’s news means football’s about to close down for the foreseeable future.
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Post by: SmethDan on March 13, 2020, 12:37:07 AM
Pessimist that I am, I think the season will be void and the consequence of that for us would be dire.

If that is the case, one option could be, that next season every club should start with the same squads, managers et al at the date the season was void, with no summer transfers, everything should be frozen for 12 months including players contracts that expire in the summer. I would allow a January transfer window.

These are extraordinary times that require extraordinary measures.

Could be very difficult re loan players, much more so if team mates at parent clubs were to actually die of said virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Foster#1 on March 13, 2020, 07:12:12 AM
With the news Of arteta and Hudson odi, I think all football will be banned later today
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Post by: Morany on March 13, 2020, 07:58:15 AM
Call it off, it's just a game.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 13, 2020, 08:04:52 AM
The news has just broken that Mikel Arteta has tested positive. The whole Arsenal squad is in isolation. The Government has for whatever reason decided against banning large scale events but football can't keep going. Wolves are returning from Olympiakos today where there has already been an outbreak centred on the club and which might even be the origin of the Arsenal outbreak.

My initial thoughts that maybe football could limp on maybe playing out fixtures behind closed doors as the least bad option but that looks unlikely now. With regard to the economics of football postponement in the short term is the same as playing behind closed doors i.e. an abrupt interruption to club's cash flow. They will not cope well with this just as many SME's in the real economy won't either if there is significant demand or supply disruption.

If the season can be completed by the end of June, (when player contracts generally run out), there shouldn't be a significant impact on cash flow. Clubs can borrow money at 0.25% now to see them over the shut down period.
As I see it, the key to completing the season lies with cancelling the Euro's.
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Post by: Standaman on March 13, 2020, 08:26:36 AM
Looks like EFL are going to suspend the competition. More news to follow shortly
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Post by: Morany on March 13, 2020, 08:26:44 AM

https://twitter.com/Simon_Hughes__/status/1238378199215636480

@Simon_Hughes__
EFL will be suspending all games. More info over at
@TheAthleticUK
 shortly.

Looks like it's off anyway tomorrow, correct decision
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 13, 2020, 08:28:42 AM
totally agree all games should be suspended
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Post by: SmethDan on March 13, 2020, 08:47:12 AM
So if the game goes ahead tomorrow how many on this board who were planning to go, are now planning to give it a swerve?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 13, 2020, 08:53:12 AM
So in theory... What are the options?

Cancel the season?
Postpone the season?

If the season is postponed then surely the Euros have to be cancelled...there are so many knock-on effects.

So from what I'm hearing:

*Euro's to be cancelled on Tuesday
*Premier league season to be voided, EFL too probably
*PL / EFL talking about what to do with us and Leeds. PL want to pay us £100m from their cash reserves to stay down. EFL want the two of us promoted and a 22-team division next season, with more teams relegated over 2 years to reduce the division back down

It's going to be interesting to see what happens with football in this country. Only time it's been postponed previously was for world wars, and it wasn't the multi-million pound business it is now.
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Post by: Hull Baggie on March 13, 2020, 09:05:06 AM
Just had a read of the article on The Athletic UK and it doesn't actually say that a ban is imminent. It just states what the EFL said yesterday then has a lot of opinion stuff.

https://theathletic.com/1669393/2020/03/13/coronavirus-and-football-games-closes-doors-euros-champions-league/
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Post by: lewisant on March 13, 2020, 09:12:43 AM
So from what I'm hearing:

*Euro's to be cancelled on Tuesday
*Premier league season to be voided, EFL too probably
*PL / EFL talking about what to do with us and Leeds. PL want to pay us £100m from their cash reserves to stay down. EFL want the two of us promoted and a 22-team division next season, with more teams relegated over 2 years to reduce the division back down

It's going to be interesting to see what happens with football in this country. Only time it's been postponed previously was for world wars, and it wasn't the multi-million pound business it is now.
Where are you hearing all that  :o
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Post by: wbarenno on March 13, 2020, 09:25:34 AM
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talksport.com/football/efl/682150/coronavirus-efl-to-suspend-all-matches-due-to-covid-19-with-board-to-meet-for-emergency-meeting-on-friday-morning/amp/
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 13, 2020, 09:27:42 AM
Where are you hearing all that  :o

Chinese whispers seems to be the biggest spreader of Coronavirus. ;D

it wouldn't surprise me if the Euro's were to be cancelled but only to allow the European leagues to complete their seasons by July (behind closed doors).
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 13, 2020, 09:29:26 AM
euro finals will take place 2021
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 13, 2020, 09:32:31 AM
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talksport.com/football/efl/682150/coronavirus-efl-to-suspend-all-matches-due-to-covid-19-with-board-to-meet-for-emergency-meeting-on-friday-morning/amp/

again it is referencing the article in the athletic that has no actual proof of the games being cancelled just "reports".

The actual EFL website only has the statement from last night that all matches will go ahead, you'd think they would have one stating that matches had been cancelled if that was the case.

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/march/efl-statement-coronavirus-update2/

I'm not saying they won't be cancelled but at this moment in time the games are still on according to the EFL.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: seteefeet on March 13, 2020, 09:32:48 AM
So from what I'm hearing:

*Euro's to be cancelled on Tuesday
*Premier league season to be voided, EFL too probably
*PL / EFL talking about what to do with us and Leeds. PL want to pay us £100m from their cash reserves to stay down. EFL want the two of us promoted and a 22-team division next season, with more teams relegated over 2 years to reduce the division back down

It's going to be interesting to see what happens with football in this country. Only time it's been postponed previously was for world wars, and it wasn't the multi-million pound business it is now.
That'll do me!
Only reason to go up is the money, take the dollar and have another year in the Championship.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 13, 2020, 09:33:04 AM
So if the game goes ahead tomorrow how many on this board who were planning to go, are now planning to give it a swerve?
If it's on I'll be there
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 13, 2020, 09:34:39 AM
Everton FC self isolating now
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 13, 2020, 09:36:35 AM
I'm not saying they won't be cancelled but at this moment in time the games are still on according to the EFL.
My guess is this weekend will go ahead then close everything down from next week
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Post by: phbaggies on March 13, 2020, 09:36:53 AM
There would have to be an announcement soon as Fulham are due to play tonight
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Post by: BigFrank20 on March 13, 2020, 09:39:52 AM
Of course the unkown unknown here is what influence the broadcasters will be having over the decision making. A total close down for an unknown period will not go down well with them however if games go on behind closed doors, despite risks to players and staff, then the broadcasters will have been pulling strings in the background for sure
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Post by: Morany on March 13, 2020, 09:41:33 AM
I don't get why games should go ahead, huge numbers and potential risk for the sake of what is essentially entertainment.

Prevention better than cure and all that jazz
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Post by: Albionic on March 13, 2020, 09:43:09 AM
That'll do me!
Only reason to go up is the money, take the dollar and have another year in the Championship.

You know what, that is a fantastic result from my perspective as a fan, not sure players / directors and club will see it the  same way though!
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Post by: Hull Baggie on March 13, 2020, 09:45:19 AM
My guess is this weekend will go ahead then close everything down from next week

That's pretty much my take on it as well. Gutted as I was looking forward to Sheff Wed and then Hull at home 2 weeks after that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on March 13, 2020, 09:47:44 AM
IMO  the most sensible course of action will be to suspend all leagues for 2 months. That will then mean the season will only take us into early July. Postpone the Euros until 2021 and start next season later. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Morany on March 13, 2020, 09:51:49 AM
Wonder if the club will extend the early bird sales period as at the moment, we have no idea on any future football
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 13, 2020, 09:52:13 AM
IMO  the most sensible course of action will be to suspend all leagues for 2 months. That will then mean the season will only take us into early July. Postpone the Euros until 2021 and start next season later.

 Clubs won't be happy as there will be Euros and ACN in the same year.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 13, 2020, 09:59:47 AM
That'll do me!
Only reason to go up is the money, take the dollar and have another year in smashing the Championship.
Put that right for you mate  ;)
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Post by: kc56wba on March 13, 2020, 10:02:44 AM
There was going to be a ‘DISABILITY CORTEO' for the disabled fans of us and Blues tomorrow but this as now been cancelled.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: phbaggies on March 13, 2020, 10:10:19 AM
Looks like its going to cancelled for at least 3 weeks, possibly 4 according to journo's on Twitter, starting with this weekends fixtures.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: robbo_wba on March 13, 2020, 10:10:46 AM
The whole thing is a massive over-reaction in my opinion. The first coronavirus case was back in November. It definitely has been travelling around the world the last few months and people have just got on as normal as its similar to normal flu. The media has created the hysteria. Regarding the football, if you have health issues or are over the age of 80 maybe it is best to stay at home. Everyone else crack on as normal. It's a flu 95% of people get over in a few days.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 13, 2020, 10:23:50 AM
Bournemouth hit now, no way will these games go on
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Post by: Hull Baggie on March 13, 2020, 10:25:43 AM
Premier league meeting at 10.30 today. Guess we'll know the outcome some time this afternoon.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Mikkyk on March 13, 2020, 10:30:22 AM
Based on the EFL statement no reason to believe the games won't go ahead until Boris comes out with a different tune.

Furthermore I don't think that if the PL decide to cancel all games that will necessarily mean EFL will follow with the same decision - no players/managers tested positive yet in EFL unlike PL.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on March 13, 2020, 10:31:46 AM
A very interesting take from Prof. Graham Medley about the modelling of the coronavirus spread and herd immunity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blkDulsgh3Q
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: adamw1109 on March 13, 2020, 10:33:17 AM
I agree like most people it should be suspended atleast until coronavirus is under control or gone....

But the fact that if the leagues are suspended, people are still out shopping, commuting to work, socialising etc etc.... it’s still going to get passed around.

Either EVERYTHING has to stop or it’s pointless
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: phbaggies on March 13, 2020, 10:33:26 AM
Based on the EFL statement no reason to believe the games won't go ahead until Boris comes out with a different tune.

Furthermore I don't think that if the PL decide to cancel all games that will necessarily mean EFL will follow with the same decision - no players/managers tested positive yet in EFL unlike PL.
Since the EFL statement, players/ staff from Arsenal, Everton, Man City, Leicester, Watford, Bournemouth, Chelsea just off the top of my head are all in isolation, its all inevitable that games are going to be called off starting today, in all leagues.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: kc56wba on March 13, 2020, 10:37:44 AM
Ben Rumsby
✔
@ben_rumsby
Premier League, EFL and FA all preparing statements confirming suspension of football in England.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: east-stand-nick on March 13, 2020, 10:40:52 AM
You can't continue the season if half the club's have their squads in isolation. Suspend the season and reassess in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 13, 2020, 10:44:48 AM
confirmed cancelled until 4th of april
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Post by: Morany on March 13, 2020, 10:46:35 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-english-football-league-fixtures-to-be-suspended-until-4-april-11956889

Now confirmed
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Post by: Hull Baggie on March 13, 2020, 10:51:43 AM
it says "is to suspend" not "has suspended" so nothing is confirmed yet.
I'm sure this will happen but at the moment all Sky and the Telegraph journalist are doing is best guessing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: kc56wba on March 13, 2020, 11:02:33 AM
it says "is to suspend" not "has suspended" so nothing is confirmed yet.
I'm sure this will happen but at the moment all Sky and the Telegraph journalist are doing is best guessing.

From the BBC.

The decision to postpone matches until 3 April was unanimously approved by the EFL.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Political Cake on March 13, 2020, 11:06:59 AM
Posted on the official website:

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/march/efl-statement-on-coronavirus/

"The EFL have issued the following statement relating to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic.

The FA, Premier League, EFL and Barclays FA Women’s Super League and FA Women’s Championship have collectively agreed to postpone the professional game in England until 3 April at the earliest.

This action, which will be kept under constant review, has been taken due to the increasing numbers of Clubs taking steps to isolate their players and staff because of the COVID-19 virus.

The postponements include all matches in the Championship, League One and League Two, as well as all Academy and youth team fixtures.

In addition, Clubs are being advised to suspend indefinitely all non-essential activities which include, but are not limited to, player appearances, training ground visits and fan meetings.

Whilst the EFL Board has continued to take the advice and guidance offered by the Government and its health advisors, emerging developments mean now is the time to implement football’s contingency plans in response to the crisis.

A further update on these plans will be given post an EFL Board Meeting next week.

This decision has not been taken lightly, but the EFL must prioritise the health and well-being of players, staff and supporters while also acknowledging the Government’s national efforts in tackling this outbreak."
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 13, 2020, 11:09:38 AM
From the BBC.

The decision to postpone matches until 3 April was unanimously approved by the EFL.

yes you are correct. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/51867944

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 13, 2020, 11:11:47 AM
at least the villa will be unbeaten for 3 weeks at least :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: boinging_along on March 13, 2020, 11:11:51 AM
At least Diangana will be back.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 13, 2020, 11:14:51 AM
whats the plan for tomorrow afternoon then folks, shappin maybe
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on March 13, 2020, 11:22:00 AM
So tomorrow's definitely off?  Wow this has got serious quickly
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Political Cake on March 13, 2020, 11:25:09 AM
So tomorrow's definitely off?  Wow this has got serious quickly

Absolutely, the EFL won't recognise any game even if the clubs decided to play out in a park in the middle of nowhere like the Grove :-X
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 13, 2020, 11:31:03 AM
does Perira need one more game for us to trigger his permament deal?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: garry on March 13, 2020, 11:36:21 AM
The EFL bottled it - they didn't need to call this weekend's games off.
They are just reacting to pressure rather than making a sensible informed decision.
This does not bode well - I think they will bottle the next big decision in a few weeks: i.e. they will declare the whole season null and void.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: lewisant on March 13, 2020, 11:39:30 AM
We have to think of the most vulnerable in society so saying all over 80s should saty away and then younger than that go to the game - that's how you can quickly spread a virus right?! Seems a silly attitude! There's no control over where all those people go and who and what they will infect.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 13, 2020, 11:40:20 AM
The EFL bottled it - they didn't need to call this weekend's games off.
They are just reacting to pressure rather than making a sensible informed decision.
This does not bode well - I think they will bottle the next big decision in a few weeks: i.e. they will declare the whole season null and void.


yes thats quite possible but the right decision is made. cant see games re starting on the 4th of april either unless behind closed doors, this virus aint expected to peak until May
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tommcneill on March 13, 2020, 11:40:46 AM
The EFL bottled it - they didn't need to call this weekend's games off.
They are just reacting to pressure rather than making a sensible informed decision.
This does not bode well - I think they will bottle the next big decision in a few weeks: i.e. they will declare the whole season null and void.

No they wont!

The Euro's will get cancelled, the season will start up and finish a bit later and the transfer window will be increased to September
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Dan87uk on March 13, 2020, 11:41:17 AM
The EFL bottled it - they didn't need to call this weekend's games off.
They are just reacting to pressure rather than making a sensible informed decision.
This does not bode well - I think they will bottle the next big decision in a few weeks: i.e. they will declare the whole season null and void.


Nonsense.

If we were 10 games into the season then yes, but we're less than 10 from the end. There is no way the PL/EFL would not try to complete the season.

Most sensible plan of action now is:

Allow domestic leagues to complete the season into June/July as a one off for this season.
Push Euro 2020 back to 2021 in light of the circumstances.
Cancel Nations League for 2021 in order to accomodate this.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on March 13, 2020, 11:41:59 AM
If they are going to end the season then tables should stand. Voiding a season would be outrageous.

Suspending the season is stupid too. The virus is likely to rumble on for months and months!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 13, 2020, 11:50:03 AM
If they are going to end the season then tables should stand. Voiding a season would be outrageous.

Suspending the season is stupid too. The virus is likely to rumble on for months and months!



Luton chairman quite boyant on talksport just, i wonder why. maybe he expects the opposite
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Post by: Mooncat on March 13, 2020, 11:56:01 AM
Only issue with letting the tables stand is that clubs who are on the fringes of promotion/relegation etc could threaten the leagues with legal action due to the lost opportunity i.e. if you're currently a couple of points off you could feasibly be promoted or safe by the end of the regular season but to curtail the season now means lost opportunity and of course money.
Broadcasters will also have a huge say as they have bought a package for X games which now cannot be fulfilled unless the season is completed and they may feel they are due compensation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: garry on March 13, 2020, 11:56:59 AM
Nonsense.

If we were 10 games into the season then yes, but we're less than 10 from the end. There is no way the PL/EFL would not try to complete the season.

Most sensible plan of action now is:

Allow domestic leagues to complete the season into June/July as a one off for this season.
Push Euro 2020 back to 2021 in light of the circumstances.
Cancel Nations League for 2021 in order to accomodate this.
But that's my point: they won't make the sensible decision, they will make the easiest.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: garry on March 13, 2020, 11:59:41 AM
You only need to look at the bottom of the Premiership to see the problem. If you call a halt to the season now and apply promotion and relegation on current standings then Villa are relegated. But they have a game in hand, which if they win would take them out of the bottom 3. How can you resolve this?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Webby on March 13, 2020, 12:00:52 PM
Only issue with letting the tables stand is that clubs who are on the fringes of promotion/relegation etc could threaten the leagues with legal action due to the lost opportunity i.e. if you're currently a couple of points off you could feasibly be promoted or safe by the end of the regular season but to curtail the season now means lost opportunity and of course money.
Broadcasters will also have a huge say as they have bought a package for X games which now cannot be fulfilled unless the season is completed and they may feel they are due compensation.

Problem is it's going to take something like this (probably worse) for all of humanity to realise when it comes to it, the made up concept of money means absolutely nothing.

Different deeper discussion though lol
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on March 13, 2020, 12:02:08 PM
When I wrote about this yesterday as being a possibility I really hoped it was just a rumour but now it is official I hope it doesn't last long, but I suspect it will as the disease isn't going away anytime soon.

The worse case scenario is that they postpone the season until the summer and they could potentially play the final games instead of the normal friendlies before the new season Saturday then Wednesday and so on, the same for everyone.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on March 13, 2020, 12:05:35 PM
Premier league and EFL will fulfill fixtures or they will go bankrupt with all the lawsuits from various clubs never mind players.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on March 13, 2020, 12:06:31 PM
You only need to look at the bottom of the Premiership to see the problem. If you call a halt to the season now and apply promotion and relegation on current standings then Villa are relegated. But they have a game in hand, which if they win would take them out of the bottom 3. How can you resolve this?
add the average points per game x1 to their current total = current (25) + average (25/28) = 25.89 pts    = relegated !  Works for me!

Also, the championship EVERYONE has same number of games completed, so just call it done IMO.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: seteefeet on March 13, 2020, 12:08:49 PM
Nonsense.

If we were 10 games into the season then yes, but we're less than 10 from the end. There is no way the PL/EFL would not try to complete the season.

Most sensible plan of action now is:

Allow domestic leagues to complete the season into June/July as a one off for this season.
Push Euro 2020 back to 2021 in light of the circumstances.
Cancel Nations League for 2021 in order to accomodate this.
This should absolutely be the contingency, with the caveat that, should completion not be feasible by end of July, the League standings as of today will be considered final, in terms of automatic promotion, with the play offs cancelled, therefore one less relegated from each league.
Can't see any legal Challenges being upheld due to the extremely unexpected and unprecedented circumstances.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Barrington on March 13, 2020, 12:56:51 PM
Who's going to pay the players the extra month or two's wages? I don't suppose they'll be sitting around not getting paid for the next few weeks will they? Can't see most of them working for free for the extra couple of months after the season should have ended. Genuine question. I've always assumed that they're paid weekly between a certain start and end date as opposed to paid every time they actually play a game.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Critical Baggie on March 13, 2020, 12:57:49 PM
Certainly is the right decision to suspend the league given what’s happened in the last 24hrs but very worried how we can finish the fixtures. If we are suspending the league then surely we would be suspending training too? And how much lead time will be required to get players back to full fitness and match ready?

I think as fall out mentioned the fairest thing would be to have a 22 PL team next year with us and Leeds in there, with same format applying for those in the automatic spots in League 1 and 2. Liverpool surely must be given the title given how far in front they are. To void a 37 game season would be tragic.
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Post by: Blowee on March 13, 2020, 12:58:58 PM
Add to all of this that whoever is promoted to the Premier League at the end of this season will be massively disadvantaged. If the leagues finish late and start at the same time as usual in August this will leave precious little time to do deals and assemble squads. Imagine our board having to sign players capable of competing in the Premier League in just a few weeks? Perhaps the transfer window will need to be looked at or the start date for season 20-21?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: boinging_along on March 13, 2020, 01:01:49 PM
Imagine our board having to sign players capable of competing in the Premier League in just a few weeks?

That's what we do every year to be fair.  :D
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Post by: gazberg on March 13, 2020, 01:24:17 PM
Hahah yeah we normally only become active with 36 hours to go anyway.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: adamw1109 on March 13, 2020, 01:32:23 PM
Certainly is the right decision to suspend the league given what’s happened in the last 24hrs but very worried how we can finish the fixtures. If we are suspending the league then surely we would be suspending training too? And how much lead time will be required to get players back to full fitness and match ready?

I think as fall out mentioned the fairest thing would be to have a 22 PL team next year with us and Leeds in there, with same format applying for those in the automatic spots in League 1 and 2. Liverpool surely must be given the title given how far in front they are. To void a 37 game season would be tragic.

If teams are going up based on their current position, relevant teams would also have to go down based on their relevant positions too otherwise its just ridiculous.

The only options really should be it to continue as soon as possible, or void the season.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on March 13, 2020, 01:36:51 PM
By the time the season resumes a lot of players would be out of contract with their clubs so there is potential for a lot of teams to resume the season with vastly different teams. Just a madness.

Play behind closed doors or call it done now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 13, 2020, 01:56:32 PM
Who's going to pay the players the extra month or two's wages? I don't suppose they'll be sitting around not getting paid for the next few weeks will they? Can't see most of them working for free for the extra couple of months after the season should have ended. Genuine question. I've always assumed that they're paid weekly between a certain start and end date as opposed to paid every time they actually play a game.
I think you might find they are salaried so receive an annual payment typically divided up into 12 monthly payments up to the end of their contracts
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on March 13, 2020, 02:05:01 PM
Do you guys remember the season we were top of the first division playing brilliant football under big Ron, then the big freeze break and it cost us the title.
I hope slaven keeps the lads focused and occupied for the next few weeks because the whole season has been reduced to 9 matches, unless they just end it where we are positioned now and were up.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: stoxman on March 13, 2020, 02:27:33 PM
No chance of either of our keepers catching Coronavirus...
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Post by: SmethDan on March 13, 2020, 02:28:19 PM
The coronavirus isn't expected to peak until June. The Spanish Flu of 1918-1920 actually came in three distinct waves of infection as opposed to being a oner. This could drag on and on.....
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Post by: gazberg on March 13, 2020, 02:48:23 PM
No chance of either of our keepers catching Coronavirus...

Love it  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: phbaggies on March 13, 2020, 03:05:14 PM
No chance of either of our keepers catching Coronavirus...
We got one who could punch it instead though  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: johnny Cash on March 13, 2020, 04:30:15 PM
I think it’s almost certain they will finish the season. Possibly with games restarting behind closed doors initially if the virus is still a big problem.

Players that are out of contract aren’t a big issue in the grand scheme of things. They still get paid for their agreed contract. If finishing this season ultimately goes beyond June then squads might lose one or two players but I’d bet more of those out of contract are players clubs want off the wage bill and aren’t big parts of the squads anyway, rather than players running them down.

Our squad doesn’t cover every scenario but I imagine it’s Brunt, Barry and posilsibly players like Edwards and Phillips. Nathan Fergusson might lose a few more quid.

The season will be interrupted in a few years for the World Cup anyway, so they can replan to circle it back to the normal season over the next few years.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: phbaggies on March 13, 2020, 04:41:36 PM
From the website:

Albion have suspended ticket sales for the fixtures against Birmingham City, Brentford and Sheffield Wednesday following the EFL’s decision to postpone all games until April 3 owing to the coronavirus pandemic.

Tickets already purchased for the postponed EFL fixtures may still be used for the rescheduled dates, which are expected to be announced in due course.

If supporters are unable to attend any of the rearranged dates then a refund process will be announced at the time the revised fixture dates are confirmed.


Albion have also suspended the Club’s Academy programmes from under-9 to under-16 level up to and including March 29 in order to minimise the risk to players, their families and staff.

All plans introduced by the Club to tackle the coronavirus outbreak remain subject to advice from the relevant authorities.

This follows Albion adopting measures earlier this week designed to protect the continued wellbeing of players, staff and supporters.

We will continue to take the best advice from the relevant authorities and will update supporters at wba.co.uk with any further developments.

Albion would like to thank supporters for their co-operation and understanding during this challenging period for all.
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 13, 2020, 04:54:12 PM
As a few others have said, they will almost certainly postpone the Euros till 21 and play the remaining games in all European leagues in the summer, behind closed doors if necessary, then push back the start of next season and cancel things like the league cup if they need to.

If its too bad for that, we won't be worrying about footie anyway
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on March 13, 2020, 05:11:37 PM
It will be interesting to see how they schedule the 3 postponed fixtures. If they just add them on to the end of the season we will end up having 2 away games as our last fixtures and out last home game will be Birmingham. It will also mean Leeds last fixture will be Fulham !!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: wbarenno on March 13, 2020, 05:25:01 PM
Just saying on sky news that our peak isn’t going to come till 3-4 weeks time. This is when the government want to put a ban on mass gatherings . So come April 4th when the football league ban ends there’s a great chance that’s when the governments ban will start .

Early May at the very earliest I’d say for any chance of football .
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on March 13, 2020, 06:10:30 PM
Right decision has been made. Public health is more important than football. A bit ironic that Boris Johnson was giving it large last Saturday amidst 60,000 at Twickenham stadium, and now does a U turn.
I can't see it the health situation any better in 3 weeks time. A dillema for Billic is whether to keep the squad sharp for 3rd April or not.
If at all possible, I think they should play remaining games behind closed doors and ensure everyone has automatic access to games on iFollow.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on March 13, 2020, 06:18:08 PM
I have got a feeling that this postponement until 3/4/20 is to sort out tv contracts and compensation for pubs etc as they don't want people watching games in pubs.

Once that is sorted they will play the games behind closed doors, having seen them played like that abroad, as there is no guarantee that this disease will be gone by the summer.

They will then show the games on their formats like sky mix and red button etc for free as a pr exercise.

I absolutely hate the idea of behind closed games but there is no choice left imo other declaring the standing as they are which would involve potential legal action.

Europe are setting the precedent for behind closed door games.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 13, 2020, 06:41:57 PM
Who's going to pay the players the extra month or two's wages? I don't suppose they'll be sitting around not getting paid for the next few weeks will they? Can't see most of them working for free for the extra couple of months after the season should have ended. Genuine question. I've always assumed that they're paid weekly between a certain start and end date as opposed to paid every time they actually play a game.

Pretty sure they're paid 52 weeks a year.

Contracts are normally dated to 30 June, so if the fixtures can be completed by then, clubs shouldn't carry any additional costs.
The big problem lies with clubs in the lower divisions where a major proportion of the income comes from gate receipts.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 13, 2020, 06:49:59 PM
I think it’s almost certain they will finish the season. Possibly with games restarting behind closed doors initially if the virus is still a big problem.

Players that are out of contract aren’t a big issue in the grand scheme of things. They still get paid for their agreed contract. If finishing this season ultimately goes beyond June then squads might lose one or two players but I’d bet more of those out of contract are players clubs want off the wage bill and aren’t big parts of the squads anyway, rather than players running them down.

Our squad doesn’t cover every scenario but I imagine it’s Brunt, Barry and posilsibly players like Edwards and Phillips. Nathan Fergusson might lose a few more quid.

The season will be interrupted in a few years for the World Cup anyway, so they can replan to circle it back to the normal season over the next few years.

I think it would be a big deal for us, loans will finish on June 30th also.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on March 13, 2020, 06:53:50 PM
Don't know how true this is but clubs in and around prem relagation zone are pushing to void this season. Vile chairmen doesn't believe season can be completed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on March 13, 2020, 07:31:19 PM
That's going to work out well for them with the power Liverpool wield compared to the vile and Norwich.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on March 13, 2020, 07:47:44 PM
We have a definite over reaction here and also goalposts are being moved to suit the situation.  We cancel football matches but allow Cheltenham to go ahead. Why ?  because lost revenue !!   I then heard on the news today that Glastonbury will definitely go ahead.  On top of that we have a Prime Minister who is showing us how to wash our hands and then refuses to be tested himself even after one of his own MPs has been tested positive. Madrid is in lockdown but we allow Athletico Madrid fans into the country ( I bet Liverpool wish they had called it off).  Having said all that , with the decision that has been made, if the situation is worse on April 3rd there is no way they will allow football matches to be played.  I can see this going on for 2 mths and the season will end early July.  Euros then moved to 2021 and the new season starting in October.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Andio on March 13, 2020, 07:55:44 PM
The thing that is worrying me from a purely footballing point of view is the possibility of playing 3 games a week to conclude the season.

We have struggled when playing 3 games a week so far this season from what I remember!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggie96 on March 13, 2020, 08:19:42 PM
They need to complete the season. Why not restart in June? Play till aug/Sep? New season start end of October, with no fa cup or carabao cup? Limit international friendlies and have euros next summer. They cannot void season or allow us and Leeds to go up, that’s not fair on Fulham/forest/Brentford etc.

If they void season with no promotions there will be uproar.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 13, 2020, 08:29:22 PM
We have a definite over reaction here and also goalposts are being moved to suit the situation.  We cancel football matches but allow Cheltenham to go ahead. Why ?  because lost revenue !!   I then heard on the news today that Glastonbury will definitely go ahead.  On top of that we have a Prime Minister who is showing us how to wash our hands and then refuses to be tested himself even after one of his own MPs has been tested positive. Madrid is in lockdown but we allow Athletico Madrid fans into the country ( I bet Liverpool wish they had called it off).  Having said all that , with the decision that has been made, if the situation is worse on April 3rd there is no way they will allow football matches to be played.  I can see this going on for 2 mths and the season will end early July.  Euros then moved to 2021 and the new season starting in October.

With the greatest of respect, I think you're confusing decisions taken by UK government, with decisions taken by Football management.

The latest government advice (given on 12 March), was that schools wouldn't be closed & that mass gatherings (sport, Glastonbury etc) can go ahead.

It's football governing bodies that have suspended the competition, with an anticipated resume date of 3 April.

As you say, from information in the public domain, it's difficult to see that the health crisis will have peaked by 3 April, & therefore a resumption in the format that we are used to is unlikely.
As others have said, it's more likely that the footballing authorities are using the period to 3 April to work out a contingency plan.

IMO it's still the intention to complete the season with a deadline of 30th June, but it's a moving target, & there's a lot of "what ifs" to consider.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggies on March 13, 2020, 09:47:26 PM
One option is that being floated in Germany. No relegation from the prem, but the top 2 go up. Thw  5 get relegated next season.

I'd be gutted if we ended up in a play off with the 8th placed club.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on March 13, 2020, 10:09:43 PM
That's mad as the teams that were due to go down receive extra revenue they should not have.

Just play the remaining games behind close doors and give us some money off next year's shirts/season ticket
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on March 13, 2020, 11:05:59 PM
Is our club donating any food that has already been prepared for private boxes to the local homeless yet?
I notice that villa and Brighton have done fair play say I.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on March 13, 2020, 11:57:56 PM
Not heard anything but if Peace was still our owner he'd be licking the butter back off the bread himself for reuse.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggie38 on March 14, 2020, 12:00:30 AM
A 22 two team premier league would keep most clubs very happy and give Liverpool the league. Just call it off until July/August a 22 team premier league would be good fun
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on March 14, 2020, 12:15:15 AM
So share the TV money 22 ways giving the 2 teams who go up even less money and a bigger financial disadvantage.

How many teams go down then? 5? Split the parachute payments between 5 putting them in big doodoo upon relegation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Foster#1 on March 14, 2020, 06:22:53 AM
Imo  we won't see sport for at least 12 months.

The news this time next week will be awful. Will be millions on the verge by the sounds of it
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on March 14, 2020, 07:08:30 AM
The other option would be a "pools panel" type judgment of each game, but unless there's a legal provision to do this that all clubs have signed up to already for emergencies, which I doubt, then it would be a non-runner as clubs would sue if they just missed out on something.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on March 14, 2020, 07:35:06 AM
It is plain that normal service will not be resumed in the near term. The London Marathon has been rescheduled for October and that might be a realistic timeframe or indeed as the crisis unfolds an unduly optimistic one.

It would seem that the peak level of infection in the UK is anticipated to be in roughly in 12 to 14 weeks time i.e. June. If games can't be played now they won't be played then. How quickly the infection rate declines from the peak is as yet unknown.

There are no satisfactory solutions to this season there is probably a least bad one but until we are is in a position to play games it is kind of academic. What is plain here is that the priority in terms of getting games on will be European club football because at the end of the day that is what pays the players wages and brings money into the game. The thing that will be sacrificed to facilitate that is international football.

One final issue is the apparent split between the Government and the Football authorities on whether or not to continue with games this weekend and the apparent contradiction of proceeding with Cheltenham and cancelling elite level football.

The strategy the government is pursuing is controlled herd immunity, at this stage of the outbreak it does not want to close down public events it will do so at a latter stage to control the spread of the virus but not now. Hence it was content to let Cheltenham proceed and the racing authorities decided that following Government advice absolved them of responsibility for the consequences of that action.

Football on the other hand has taken the view that they have a duty of care to their employees and fans and some collective experience of what happens when they don't adopt the precautionary principle (e.g. Bradford, Hillsborough and Heysel) decided that following Government advice was not going to absolve them of the consequences of their actions. 

Who is right well we will never know.

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 14, 2020, 08:38:05 AM
The other option would be a "pools panel" type judgment of each game, but unless there's a legal provision to do this that all clubs have signed up to already for emergencies, which I doubt, then it would be a non-runner as clubs would sue if they just missed out on something.

If it turns out that the season cannot be completed, a "prediction panel"  of some sort could be a solution.
Sure, there would have to be agreement from the clubs, but there is no fair way, it's just coming up with a solution which is the least unfair.
Even suspending the season is unfair, there will be a loss of momentum & injured players who wouldn't have been available will now be.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: wbarenno on March 14, 2020, 08:46:49 AM
I don’t think you could ever use a predictor to predict the results . I struggle to pick 4 winners on a coupon every Saturday . English football cannot be predicted, anything can happen , clubs won’t let that happen I don’t think .

If they do end the season , take the average point per game achieved so far then times it by how many games are left. Add the total onto the points tally and that’s the final standings . Even then it would cause chaos

This would mean we’re promoted , villa are relegated and the dingles wouldn’t get a champions league spot . Sounds good to me  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Aztech on March 14, 2020, 09:48:22 AM
If it turns out that the season cannot be completed, a "prediction panel"  of some sort could be a solution.
Sure, there would have to be agreement from the clubs, but there is no fair way, it's just coming up with a solution which is the least unfair.
Even suspending the season is unfair, there will be a loss of momentum & injured players who wouldn't have been available will now be.

I see no reason why the season can’t be completed at some time even if it does mean playing during the summer.

I’ve been involved in youth football for years whereby teams have been expected to play four games in a week over a two or three week period to finalise a season.

Granted the length of each game is often reduced to 30 minutes each way.

With squad sizes in the premier league and championship surely it wouldn’t be an issue.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: leeiswba on March 14, 2020, 09:51:15 AM
The league has to be finished.

Unfortunately there is too much money at stake for it not to be, it’s more to do with the bottom of the premierleague than the top to be honest. Can’t see it being possible to say to a team who was one point from safety with 10 games to play they are relegated and therefore will miss out on£130m+.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on March 14, 2020, 10:01:25 AM
I agree the league has to be finished even if it takes us until September to finish. Finish it in Sep 2020. The next season starts  Nov 2020 and finishes Sep 2021. The season after that starts Nov 2021 and finishes  Sep 2022, just in time for the 2022 winter world cup. Then after that gradually bring it back to Aug to may season.  We would then have to fit the Euros in where possible.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WBArgo on March 14, 2020, 10:56:56 AM
I don't like that us and Leeds could automatically go up into a league of 22 (which is being proposed right now). It's unfair on the others and doesn't bring closure to the league.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: adamw1109 on March 14, 2020, 10:59:45 AM
I don't like that us and Leeds could automatically go up into a league of 22 (which is being proposed right now). It's unfair on the others and doesn't bring closure to the league.

It's a ridiculous idea if true.

How can they promote teams based on their position but not relegate teams? People say its because villa for example have 10 games left or whatever it is that could save their season... but the championship have enough games left for teams to overtake us and leeds. Doing something like that wont be fair.

Would much rather see the season null and void than go up thanks to a virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 14, 2020, 11:12:24 AM
It's a ridiculous idea if true.

How can they promote teams based on their position but not relegate teams? People say its because villa for example have 10 games left or whatever it is that could save their season... but the championship have enough games left for teams to overtake us and leeds. Doing something like that wont be fair.

Would much rather see the season null and void than go up thanks to a virus.

I think people are just floating ideas around.
Bear in mind the sports media have nothing to do at the moment. could be a lot of fake news going around.

The situation at the moment is so volatile, it's almost impossible to make a decision.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WBArgo on March 14, 2020, 11:19:30 AM
I'd rather just play games behind closed doors. The odd player may be isolated due to the virus but it's like injuries which randomly happen throughout a season. The alternatives are too harsh on various teams and their situations. That or just delay the league for 6 months.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on March 14, 2020, 11:32:35 AM
Delaying the league is the only realistic and fair option.  We are hearing some people saying make the league null and void but it is only the people representing the struggling clubs such as Luton Town chairman and Karen Brady.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on March 14, 2020, 11:36:03 AM
I've been looking at the FA Handbook to see if there are any loopholes that we and Leeds could take advantage of, should we be unable to complete all our fixtures and I'm grasping at straws here I know.

But under heading Determining Championship, Rule 22 (A) paragraph one reads "The Teams gaining the highest number of points in their respective divisions at the end of the Playing Season shall be adjudged the winners."

Now in normal circumstances the playing season ends in May when all fixtures are complete, but could the above rule be applied if the FA end the season before all fixtures are completed? I'm hoping so and that's the straw I'm grasping at, what do you think?

I've included the full text below on Determining Championship below.

DETERMINING CHAMPIONSHIP
22. (A) In Competitions where points are awarded, Team rankings within the Competition will be decided by points with three points to be awarded for a win and one point for a drawn Competition Match. The Teams gaining the highest number of points in their respective divisions at the end of the Playing Season shall be adjudged the winners. Competition Matches must not be played for double points.

In the event of two or more Teams being equal on points at the end of the Playing Season, rankings may be determined by a deciding match or matches played under conditions determined by the Management Committee, or the position shared.

(B) Automatic promotion shall be applied for the first[ ] Teams and automatic relegation shall be applied for the last[ ] Teams in each division except as provided for here under, subject to the provisions of Rule 2(L).

(i) Should one or more Teams withdraw from any one division after the Playing Season has commenced an equal number of Teams to those withdrawing in that division shall not be automatically relegated.

(ii) Vacancies occurring after the conclusion of the Playing Season may be filled in any of the following ways:

(a) Retention of otherwise relegated Team(s); or
(b) Additional promotion of the next ranked Team(s) from the division below; or
(c) Election (iii)

The last[ ] Teams in the lowest division shall retire, but be eligible for re-election except as below, and be subject to the conditions of Rule 22 (B)(i) above.
 
(iv) Should either or both of the leading Teams in any of the divisions have a Team in the next higher division, promotion shall fall, at the discretion of the General Meeting, to the next highest Team or Teams in the division concerned.

(v) Should either or both of the relegated Teams in any of the divisions have a Team in the next lower division, relegation shall fall, at the discretion of the General Meeting, to the next lowest Team or Teams in the division concerned.

(C) In addition to the Team(s) automatically promoted under Rule 22(B), a maximum of one further Team shall be promoted by virtue of being the winner of a play-off match or series of matches (the “Play-Offs). The eligibility criteria and format of the Play-Offs are as follows [ ].

(D) In the event of a Team withdrawing from the Competition before completing 75% of its fixtures for the Playing Season all points obtained by or recorded against such defaulting Team shall be expunged from the Competition table. For the purposes of this Rule 22 (D) a completed fixture shall include any Competition Match(es) which has been awarded by the Management Committee. MATCH OFFICIALS 23. (A) Registered referees(and assistant referees where approved by The FA or County FA)


Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on March 14, 2020, 11:43:04 AM
Finish the games behind closed doors or make the standings final as they are now. A lot of drama over nothing.

This is all down to the FA. This is not a government decision. Other sports are carrying on.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on March 14, 2020, 11:56:48 AM
Yes I think that the Premier league and EFL have over reacted on this and put in measures which should have been applied later on , if at all  !!!   They have caused more mayhem that was needed to be caused and now they have got to unravel this mess and whatever they decide it will upset some people.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on March 14, 2020, 12:00:04 PM
Yep. Football could have been done and dusted before the height of the virus which is expected in June. Now there's just more unnecessary nonsense involved. Get the games back on behind closed doors if need be.

Onlt 4/5 home game left for each team. I will live if I don't get to attend.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: royhan on March 14, 2020, 12:05:34 PM
Playing behind closed doors is the only sensible option in view of the advice we are getting from medical experts. It would also be wrong to show the games on TV as people would naturally congregate in pubs to watch them, which will be worse than attending the games. I suppose that they could screen recorded highlights after say 11pm or between 7am and 11am.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: wbarenno on March 14, 2020, 12:08:08 PM
Yes I think that the Premier league and EFL have over reacted on this and put in measures which should have been applied later on , if at all  !!!   They have caused more mayhem that was needed to be caused and now they have got to unravel this mess and whatever they decide it will upset some people.

Mate the government are bringing in these restrictions Monday anyway so we would only have been able to play one extra game before the government acted anyway .

FairPlay to the premier league and the EFL I say, done a lot more then our government has to protect us. When players and managers are getting the virus the show cannot go on , that’s not even taking into account the fans
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2020, 12:14:30 PM
The league has to be finished. The season cannot be voided and teams should not avoid being relegated. I do not subscribe to the idea of a 22 team premier league.

If it means we have to delay the start of next season then so be it. Let’s remove the league cup and utilise midweek fixtures to catch up.

I do not agree with the fixtures behind closed doors policy either. There are a host of clubs who will struggle to survive without their match day revenues.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggy nerd on March 14, 2020, 12:24:16 PM
The only idea I can come up with is to finish the games as soon as possible even if it goes into next season. Then you use a different format for the 2020/21 season depending on time available.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on March 14, 2020, 12:32:50 PM
When I was at work, before retiring, I ran several contracts and my employer and our contractors had agreed and written Disaster Plans documents that formed part of the contract between us and that covered all eventualities that we could possibly encounter. We even organised mobile refrigeration lorries to use as temporary morgues if the local morgues couldn't copy the refrigerated lorries were located in secret locations around the area.

So, it beggars belief that the footballing authorities don't appear to have any go to plan or option in the event of this potential disaster. It isn't as though this is totally new territory to them, as they could and should have drawn on the experiences of WWII to build into their Rule Book for such eventualities. It just causes confusion and uncertainty for all concerned to not have the basis of a plan to fallback on.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on March 14, 2020, 01:24:59 PM
The other option would be a "pools panel" type judgment of each game, but unless there's a legal provision to do this that all clubs have signed up to already for emergencies, which I doubt, then it would be a non-runner as clubs would sue if they just missed out on something.
Of all the possible solutions, a 'pools panel' type arrangement would be the worst and a complete non-starter in my opinion. Whoever sat on the panel (and we'd probably get the likes of Lawro, Paul Merson, Don Goodman?) deciding our fate. Actually, it doesn't matter who sat on it, football is not an exact science.
I think the main reason the "pools panel" was introduced some 50 years ago, was to give a leg up to the football pools betting industry, which is not a reason to decide the fate of clubs.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on March 14, 2020, 01:43:06 PM
When I was at work, before retiring, I ran several contracts and my employer and our contractors had agreed and written Disaster Plans documents that formed part of the contract between us and that covered all eventualities that we could possibly encounter. We even organised mobile refrigeration lorries to use as temporary morgues if the local morgues couldn't copy the refrigerated lorries were located in secret locations around the area.

So, it beggars belief that the footballing authorities don't appear to have any go to plan or option in the event of this potential disaster. It isn't as though this is totally new territory to them, as they could and should have drawn on the experiences of WWII to build into their Rule Book for such eventualities. It just causes confusion and uncertainty for all concerned to not have the basis of a plan to fallback on.

For most of it's history football has been a professional game run by amateurs and as such can be criticised for many things. However there is no precedent for our current position WWII isn't a helpful reference although if the crisis is sufficiently grave nobody gives a stuff about football, it can do what it wants.

When you are scavenging for food in the post apocalypse wasteland nobody cares if Liverpool should have won the Premier League although I absolutely guarantee some arseh*le will be boring on about what a massive club the Villa are or how many Leeds took to Plymouth on a Tuesday night in 2008. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on March 14, 2020, 02:54:00 PM
Of all the possible solutions, a 'pools panel' type arrangement would be the worst and a complete non-starter in my opinion. Whoever sat on the panel (and we'd probably get the likes of Lawro, Paul Merson, Don Goodman?) deciding our fate. Actually, it doesn't matter who sat on it, football is not an exact science.
I think the main reason the "pools panel" was introduced some 50 years ago, was to give a leg up to the football pools betting industry, which is not a reason to decide the fate of clubs.
I agree, I was just thinking aloud about what they might do
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 14, 2020, 02:56:06 PM
For most of it's history football has been a professional game run by amateurs and as such can be criticised for many things. However there is no precedent for our current position WWII isn't a helpful reference although if the crisis is sufficiently grave nobody gives a stuff about football, it can do what it wants.

When you are scavenging for food in the post apocalypse wasteland nobody cares if Liverpool should have won the Premier League although I absolutely guarantee some arseh*le will be boring on about what a massive club the Villa are or how many Leeds took to Plymouth on a Tuesday night in 2008.
A good point made well.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: adamw1109 on March 14, 2020, 03:03:55 PM
Finish the games behind closed doors or make the standings final as they are now. A lot of drama over nothing.

This is all down to the FA. This is not a government decision. Other sports are carrying on.

Are you actually being serious? It has something like a 3.4% death rate and you think its a lot of drama over nothing?

This is the FA being sensible unlike some clowns that think its nothing to be too concerned about... until the number of deaths have risen which they will do with the current circumstances.

The season should be paused until the virus is under control, even if that means scrapping things like FA cup, europa league etc...to avoid too much of a fixture congestion. Euros are no doubt going to be suspended too so that gives them until august time to get the games complete (if possible), it may be that next season needs pushing back a month or two to get a pre season in but the season has to be completed I think for it to be fair all round. No doubt if you were a villa fan you wouldn't want the standings final as they currently are at and rightly so, but also it shouldn't be a get out of jail free card for the teams that have done terrible all season and them end up keeping their place in the league because its been written off due to a virus.

No one wants competitions cancelled or games played behind closed doors but if its reviewed in 3 weeks time and the outcome was that they continue with the main leagues behind closed doors to finish the season but scrap all other competitions including Europa league and Champions league, I'm sure people would be more open to it just to get football back.

Not going to be easy, but it also doesn't have to be as hard as some make out either.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on March 14, 2020, 03:10:12 PM
Swine Flu had a much higher death rate.

If the government are serious about it they will go into lockdown. They are not and so they have not.

Football fixtures being suspended while everyday life carrys on with have little, if any, effect.

They have no control over who is going to get it as there are already thousands who have it and don't realise it. They cannot control it.

The drama over nothing comment was specifically aimed at the FA not the virus itself.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on March 14, 2020, 03:10:31 PM
I have a very simple solution to the Premier/Championship football season debate, one which I think will get a lot of support on this site, right here goes:
Season ends today & next season starts as normal or as soon as this corona malarky finishes.
Premier league stays at 20 teams
Relegation from the Prem:   current bottom 2
Promotion from the Champ: current top 2 (champions would be on goal difference, most goals scored or fewest games lost)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: adamw1109 on March 14, 2020, 03:27:39 PM
Swine Flu had a much higher death rate.

If the government are serious about it they will go into lockdown. They are not and so they have not.

Football fixtures being suspended while everyday life carrys on with have little, if any, effect.

They have no control over who is going to get it as there are already thousands who have it and don't realise it. They cannot control it.

The drama over nothing comment was specifically aimed at the FA not the virus itself.

How? The swineflu death rate is 0.026 (https://www.nhs.uk/news/cancer/swine-flu-deaths-examined/)

I completely agree with you in regards to suspending sports whilst people continue with their every day life... I fail to see how it improves this way, it makes no sense.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on March 14, 2020, 03:28:31 PM
For most of it's history football has been a professional game run by amateurs and as such can be criticised for many things. However there is no precedent for our current position WWII isn't a helpful reference although if the crisis is sufficiently grave nobody gives a stuff about football, it can do what it wants.

When you are scavenging for food in the post apocalypse wasteland nobody cares if Liverpool should have won the Premier League although I absolutely guarantee some arseh*le will be boring on about what a massive club the Villa are or how many Leeds took to Plymouth on a Tuesday night in 2008.

The whole idea and point of Disaster Planning is to prepare for the “worst case scenario” where there is no precedent for it. It’s not rocket science, you don’t necessarily have to be much of a professional to identify risk and with the help of “hired professionals” you develop action plans to mitigate the risk as much as possible. As far as football is concerned, you have over complicated what needed to done.

 Let’s be honest, as far as the FA is concerned, it should have been relatively simple as they seem to cover most things in the FA Rule Book in minute detail. And when you consider the lengths they have gone to in introducing VAR, for example, planning for disruption to the completion of a league season should have been a piece of cake.

They didn’t even need to be able to predict what might cause the disruption, but just have a plan to decide what the implications were and what the consequences were likely to be and then develop outcomes that would be enacted so that everyone knows where they stand. It’s just something less for the FA to have had to consider and address during the difficult times we now find ourselves in if it had included an appropriate rule.

Personally, I think there are many similarities between WWII and our current situation. For instance, in WWII we had to combat the negative economic effects that the conflict spawned, food was in short supply and rationing was introduced, people were terrified not knowing if a loved one would return from the battle field, the palpable fear of not knowing if a bomb would drop in their street or on their house, life became different and governments and people had to develop, adapt and adopt new strategies to meet the daily demands for survival. I think we can see many similarities starting to take shape today as in yesteryear in defending ourselves against a common enemy. 

You may well be right about an apocalyptic wasteland, but personally I remain positive and optimistic that is not an option and that we can overcome the adversity we face, as is being proven and demonstrated it is the elderly who are most vulnerable and susceptible to the virus, so not really on the scale you refer to.

In conclusion, I think your analogy is incorrect about who cares about football by quoting the following “Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.” Bill Shankly
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on March 14, 2020, 03:33:33 PM
How? The swineflu death rate is 0.026 (https://www.nhs.uk/news/cancer/swine-flu-deaths-examined/)

I completely agree with you in regards to suspending sports whilst people continue with their every day life... I fail to see how it improves this way, it makes no sense.

Sorry, you are right. The figures i were looking at included associated with deaths as well as directly assigned too. Came out aorund 17%
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Stars_in_Stripes on March 14, 2020, 03:56:52 PM
What about a type of 'POOLS' panel predicting the result of remaining fixtures.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on March 14, 2020, 03:57:41 PM
That would be awful. Equally as bad as voiding the season IMO
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: kirk on March 14, 2020, 04:26:34 PM
Are you actually being serious? It has something like a 3.4% death rate and you think its a lot of drama over nothing?

This is the FA being sensible unlike some clowns that think its nothing to be too concerned about... until the number of deaths have risen which they will do with the current circumstances.

The season should be paused until the virus is under control, even if that means scrapping things like FA cup, europa league etc...to avoid too much of a fixture congestion. Euros are no doubt going to be suspended too so that gives them until august time to get the games complete (if possible), it may be that next season needs pushing back a month or two to get a pre season in but the season has to be completed I think for it to be fair all round. No doubt if you were a villa fan you wouldn't want the standings final as they currently are at and rightly so, but also it shouldn't be a get out of jail free card for the teams that have done terrible all season and them end up keeping their place in the league because its been written off due to a virus.

No one wants competitions cancelled or games played behind closed doors but if its reviewed in 3 weeks time and the outcome was that they continue with the main leagues behind closed doors to finish the season but scrap all other competitions including Europa league and Champions league, I'm sure people would be more open to it just to get football back.

Not going to be easy, but it also doesn't have to be as hard as some make out either.


Again you have been listening to panicky piers too much, the figure you are using are against confirmed cases with know their are thousands of people who have had and have this virus and will not  e tested, the death rate is closer to 1% and below
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Post by: baggiemart on March 14, 2020, 04:34:08 PM
The whole idea and point of Disaster Planning is to prepare for the “worst case scenario” where there is no precedent for it. It’s not rocket science, you don’t necessarily have to be much of a professional to identify risk and with the help of “hired professionals” you develop action plans to mitigate the risk as much as possible. As far as football is concerned, you have over complicated what needed to done.

 Let’s be honest, as far as the FA is concerned, it should have been relatively simple as they seem to cover most things in the FA Rule Book in minute detail. And when you consider the lengths they have gone to in introducing VAR, for example, planning for disruption to the completion of a league season should have been a piece of cake.

They didn’t even need to be able to predict what might cause the disruption, but just have a plan to decide what the implications were and what the consequences were likely to be and then develop outcomes that would be enacted so that everyone knows where they stand. It’s just something less for the FA to have had to consider and address during the difficult times we now find ourselves in if it had included an appropriate rule.

Personally, I think there are many similarities between WWII and our current situation. For instance, in WWII we had to combat the negative economic effects that the conflict spawned, food was in short supply and rationing was introduced, people were terrified not knowing if a loved one would return from the battle field, the palpable fear of not knowing if a bomb would drop in their street or on their house, life became different and governments and people had to develop, adapt and adopt new strategies to meet the daily demands for survival. I think we can see many similarities starting to take shape today as in yesteryear in defending ourselves against a common enemy. 

You may well be right about an apocalyptic wasteland, but personally I remain positive and optimistic that is not an option and that we can overcome the adversity we face, as is being proven and demonstrated it is the elderly who are most vulnerable and susceptible to the virus, so not really on the scale you refer to.

In conclusion, I think your analogy is incorrect about who cares about football by quoting the following “Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.” Bill Shankly

How on earth can you compare this to WWII !!!   During WWII  Thousands upon thousands died . Some in terrible circumstances. How many of the deaths we have had so far are purely down to the coronavirus. When someone dies of the coronavirus it is always followed with statement " they also had under lying health problems".  I  suggest you go and visit the War Musuem in London while the football is off  and then reflect on how pathetic your comparison is.  That statement is an insult to all the people who died during WWII   !!!!
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Post by: ex coseley kid on March 14, 2020, 04:45:37 PM
How on earth can you compare this to WWII !!!   During WWII  Thousands upon thousands died . Some in terrible circumstances. How many of the deaths we have had so far are purely down to the coronavirus. When someone dies of the coronavirus it is always followed with statement " they also had under lying health problems".  I  suggest you go and visit the War Musuem in London while the football is off  and then reflect on how pathetic your comparison is.  That statement is an insult to all the people who died during WWII   !!!!

In fairness to Albionfan, his comparison is not about death toll but the immediate implications it has on society, on supply chains and on social interaction.

My mum actually lived through WWII and is making direct comparisons to it on its social impact. She says that she has not seen anything as influential on how the country functions since that time. In the meantime my wife works in the NHS who have been briefed in no uncertain terms that this is unprecedented and what we are seeing now is the tip of the iceberg.

Yes, it's not WWII but I would politely suggest you read Albionfan's comments again with a broader understanding of what he was trying to put across.
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Post by: baggiemart on March 14, 2020, 04:58:03 PM
In fairness to Albionfan, his comparison is not about death toll but the immediate implications it has on society, on supply chains and on social interaction.

My mum actually lived through WWII and is making direct comparisons to it on its social impact. She says that she has not seen anything as influential on how the country functions since that time. In the meantime my wife works in the NHS who have been briefed in no uncertain terms that this is unprecedented and what we are seeing now is the tip of the iceberg.

Yes, it's not WWII but I would politely suggest you read Albionfan's comments again with a broader understanding of what he was trying to put across.

You cannot even make a comparison with supply chains. In WWII  items were in short supply because we could not manufacture products or get items imported in because there was a lack of manufacturing or farming because workers were away fighting in the war and all efforts were put on the remaining people to keep the war effort going like manufacturing arms for the service men to use. So food rationing was introduced.

The supply chain today is being caused by stupid people panic buying !  If everyone just kept to their normal shopping habits there would be ample supplies to go round. 

I also have family members working within the NHS. My daughter is a community nurse and she is not over concerned about the situation. Like she said she has to visit people who have got far worse things wrong with them than coronavirus !!  So as she is on the frontline and she is not worried why are so many other people worried !!!   The news has dramatised it .  Do you remember when the news reported the world would be in chaos when the turn of the century came because computers would not recognise 1st January 2000 !!  Or when we voted for Brexit and they were reporting that the country would slump into economic disaster !!  On both cases neither happened !!
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 14, 2020, 05:56:18 PM
Of all the possible solutions, a 'pools panel' type arrangement would be the worst and a complete non-starter in my opinion. Whoever sat on the panel (and we'd probably get the likes of Lawro, Paul Merson, Don Goodman?) deciding our fate. Actually, it doesn't matter who sat on it, football is not an exact science.
I think the main reason the "pools panel" was introduced some 50 years ago, was to give a leg up to the football pools betting industry, which is not a reason to decide the fate of clubs.

IMO, the concept of a prediction panel could work.

It doesn't have to be pundits, it could be fans. For example! Every season ticket holder in the championship could complete an online predictor in seconds. If every club had an average 10,000 sth's that would be a panel of 260,000. Pretty sure you'd get a fairly accurate prediction from that.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 14, 2020, 06:11:17 PM
How on earth can you compare this to WWII !!!   During WWII  Thousands upon thousands died . Some in terrible circumstances. How many of the deaths we have had so far are purely down to the coronavirus. When someone dies of the coronavirus it is always followed with statement " they also had under lying health problems".  I  suggest you go and visit the War Musuem in London while the football is off  and then reflect on how pathetic your comparison is.  That statement is an insult to all the people who died during WWII   !!!!

Just to explain to you, my original post was to demonstrate that the FA should have had enough experience from how football was affected, because of previous disruptions, to have been able to mitigate for the possibility of this season ending before all fixtures were complete. The FA Rule Book is full of guidance, laws et al and to have made provision for a season not being able to be complete would not have been difficult in the great scheme of things and lacked foresight in my view.

I used the analogy of WWII as no more than a metaphor (a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable). If you wish to interpret it to suit your own agenda that is your prerogative and I can't assist you further in that than what I have already explained.

Thank you for your suggestion that I visit the War Museum in London, but I have visited the Imperial War Museum in London on a number of occasions.

I hope this clarifies my intentions for you and I would hope, that having done so, you would reconsider some of your unnecessary comments.
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Post by: alex1 on March 14, 2020, 06:21:55 PM
IMO, the concept of a prediction panel could work.

It doesn't have to be pundits, it could be fans. For example! Every season ticket holder in the championship could complete an online predictor in seconds. If every club had an average 10,000 sth's that would be a panel of 260,000. Pretty sure you'd get a fairly accurate prediction from that.
With respect, I think that would be complete non-starter. You'd be making a football club's status, together with the livelihood of its employees, dependant on a kind of video game.
The fans voting would all have their petty little grudges against certain clubs. It would be worse than when they decided cup replays by tossing a coin.
If its no longer eleven v eleven on a football pitch, then its not football anymore.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 14, 2020, 06:47:56 PM
With respect, I think that would be complete non-starter. You'd be making a football club's status, together with the livelihood of its employees, dependant on a kind of video game.
The fans voting would all have their petty little grudges against certain clubs. It would be worse than when they decided cup replays by tossing a coin.
If its no longer eleven v eleven on a football pitch, then its not football anymore.

My ideal solution would be to finish the season by playing the remaining fixtures in front of a crowd, however................

As an Albion fan, I would be very unhappy if the season was voided, I wouldn't be happy, but I'd accept the season ending now with promotion & relegation decisions based on current positions in the table. I can think of fans from 24 other clubs who wouldn't be happy with that arrangement.

Really not sure what the other alternatives are.

I agree, that a prediction panel involving pundits would not go down well, but a panel consisting of 260,000 fans would tend to smooth out any grudges.




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Post by: elmo_in_swansea on March 14, 2020, 07:01:44 PM
Sat in a crowded Wetherspoons, I've traipsed all round B&q this afternoon and watched numerous people leaving Lidl opposite my house today mostly armed with a purchase of 16+ toilet rolls and apparently the stereophonics are playing to a packed house at motor point arena Cardiff tonight indoors - what to make of it all?
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 14, 2020, 07:13:59 PM
Sat in a crowded Wetherspoons, I've traipsed all round B&q this afternoon and watched numerous people leaving Lidl opposite my house today mostly armed with a purchase of 16+ toilet rolls and apparently the stereophonics are playing to a packed house at motor point arena Cardiff tonight indoors - what to make of it all?

Made me laugh.

I've been playing golf on a muddy & wet course, in itself pretty depressing
On the way, I was listening to 5 live on all the options to solve the footy crisis, don't know what they're going to talk about tomorrow.
On the way back the same channel was discussing the uk numbers involved in the coronavirus crisis, apparently we have one bed for every 300 patients who will need intensive care. (Estimated to be around 1.5 million).
Right now, I feel as though I'm on the Titanic.

Think Slaven's got a big job to do when this crisis is over  :)
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 14, 2020, 07:45:22 PM
Sat in a crowded Wetherspoons, I've traipsed all round B&q this afternoon and watched numerous people leaving Lidl opposite my house today mostly armed with a purchase of 16+ toilet rolls and apparently the stereophonics are playing to a packed house at motor point arena Cardiff tonight indoors - what to make of it all?
I’m in a busy family pub in Cannock. One of the barmaids, who looks under the weather, just blew her nose into a tissue, then carried on serving customers. I’ll make sure to avoid her when I next order. My observant skills could save my life...for the next five pints anyway. After that I’ll probably forget.🤪
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 14, 2020, 08:02:16 PM
The four options for West Brom, Leeds United and the rest of the coronavirus-hit Championship

This is why The FA should have had appropriate rules in place to address this situation

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-leeds-united-coronavirus-17925879
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Post by: Baggies on March 14, 2020, 10:52:12 PM
The Sunday papers early drafts have been released. Seems a few journalists have been briefed of what the options on the table for the prem are and one of the main ones are that us and Leeds are going to be promoted to a 22 team, 5 relegation spot league next season.

I’d take it, although frustrating given our chances of staying up would be reduced next season.
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Post by: liverbaggie on March 14, 2020, 11:06:10 PM
Just thinking that the FA are the sort of government of the EFL.
I know that a lot of the lower league clubs make their money through the turnstiles.
I'm wondering how much money they have in their coffers?
I know the pipsqueak in charge is overpaid.
Anyway, perhaps they should use their money to bale them out or even borrow money to help them,after all its almost free money nowadays.
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Post by: Political Cake on March 15, 2020, 07:20:01 AM
How many of the deaths we have had so far are purely down to the coronavirus. When someone dies of the coronavirus it is always followed with statement " they also had under lying health problems".

A virus rarely ever kills you itself - your own body is what kills you.

The major concern of this particular respiratory illness inducing virus the pneumonia induced by the rapid activation of the immune system; simplified the deadliness of a virus inside your lungs is how quickly and able it is to fill all parts of your lungs, encouraging your body to attack all parts simultaneously resulting in severe breathing difficulties and tending towards death. This occurs by the immune system having to over-react in an attempt to keep up with the infection and will destroy any potentially infected cell, healthy or not. This debris (fluid) proceeds en masse to clog up the alveoli in your lungs, preventing oxygen from entering your bloodstream. Furthermore, inflammation (another immune system response) can close off whole bunches of alveoli from air intake altogether.

As I say, the virus does not easily kill you itself. The resultant hyper busy immune system will often as a result be compromised to other, common, usually safe bacteria which will suddenly find itself relatively unopposed and will develop who-knows what infections elsewhere in you, especially in the already self-ruining lungs, escalating the respiratory problem.

This is what pneumonia is and why it can be so fatal. It can, basically, result in pulmonary destruction.

"Underlying health issues" can mean anything from hypertension (ie; high blood pressure), asthma, simple prior lung complaints, right up to heart disease or an otherwise compromised immune system. In general, this increases the likelihood that such a virus, upon infection, gains a sufficient head start or other advantage in your lungs before the immune system has to overreact to it, and in turn increase the chances of prolonged illness, secondary infections, etc... The virus will act the same no matter what condition you happen to be in - and so its effectiveness is directly related to exactly that.



As ever of course, it's much more complicated than it's worth explaining. A common question to arise would be in comparisons to other respiratory diseases inducing viruses like influenza - "why is the flu dangerous to newborns, but this virus supposedly is less so?"
   - Influenza is dangerous to newborns, especially under 6 months old as their immune system usually hasn't developed its own full capabilities yet - for instance, the IgG antibody (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunoglobulin_G) is usually transferred from the mother before birth. Immediately after, this is in lower supply until the baby produces their own.
   - It's still unknown really how this particular little thing is successfully fought off by the body, but it's speculated it is dismantled fairly easily once found and so young babies are more than capable of doing so swiftly, and why most prior-healthy are only lightly affected. It seems likely (https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/03/13/what-coronavirus-does-body-covid-19-infection-process-symptoms/5009057002/) that it is just very capable of replicating once it reaches a preferred area in the lower respiratory tract, and from there it's a quick overwhelm if it's up against a weak immune response. This may be what makes it much more dangerous, especially to the mentioned demographics, than influenza.





I, personally, would love some late summer league football. :P
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Post by: baggie38 on March 15, 2020, 08:14:02 AM
My prediction is after all this speculation of the season being void or a 22 team premier league is the league will get under way at the end of May. No chance will It resume early April. This obviously means the Euros will be pushed into next year.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on March 15, 2020, 08:34:48 AM
IMO, the concept of a prediction panel could work.

It doesn't have to be pundits, it could be fans. For example! Every season ticket holder in the championship could complete an online predictor in seconds. If every club had an average 10,000 sth's that would be a panel of 260,000. Pretty sure you'd get a fairly accurate prediction from that.
But Leeds have 3million season ticket holders and will want the panel to assemble away at Blackburn on a Tuesday night.
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 15, 2020, 08:49:51 AM
My prediction is after all this speculation of the season being void or a 22 team premier league is the league will get under way at the end of May. No chance will It resume early April. This obviously means the Euros will be pushed into next year.
I think this is most likely, maybe behind closed doors or with no travelling fans
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Post by: Blowee on March 15, 2020, 10:19:38 AM
The Sunday papers early drafts have been released. Seems a few journalists have been briefed of what the options on the table for the prem are and one of the main ones are that us and Leeds are going to be promoted to a 22 team, 5 relegation spot league next season.

I’d take it, although frustrating given our chances of staying up would be reduced next season.
Will make a great pub quiz question in 50 years time - 'who was relegated from the Premier league in the seasons 2019-20 and 2020-21?'
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Post by: adamw1109 on March 15, 2020, 10:55:03 AM
My prediction is after all this speculation of the season being void or a 22 team premier league is the league will get under way at the end of May. No chance will It resume early April. This obviously means the Euros will be pushed into next year.

That's what is going to happen, no chance the Euros is going ahead this year. They have a meeting tuesday about it.
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 15, 2020, 01:48:57 PM
Rooney talking sense (I know, I know!) about starting the next 2 seasons late as the 22 world cup will be dislocating schedules anyway
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Post by: zippyandbungle on March 15, 2020, 02:20:02 PM
Rooney talking sense (I know, I know!) about starting the next 2 seasons late as the 22 world cup will be dislocating schedules anyway
You don’t honestly think Rooney wrote that himself?
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Post by: halifax_baggie on March 15, 2020, 02:29:15 PM
What about being fair to every team and fans whichever league.
1) Delay season, restart when epidemic has passed then play 2 games a week until the schedules have been completed.

2) Start the following season late with a gap of two weeks between end of previous season and next. Play two games per week until caught up.

3) Transfer window to start at the end of the previous season and end after 6 weeks

4) All contract terminations automatically extended until the seasons schedule has been completed

This means normal promotion and relegation will occur without any preferences and will be based on how the teams perform even though the poor underpaid  players may have to play two games a week for a relatively short time.

5) Cancel the European cup to the following year allowing all ticket holders to get their moneys worth

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Post by: gazberg on March 15, 2020, 02:30:17 PM
I heard they are on about moving the Euros to December to let this season finish in June time. All speculative of course.
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Post by: Foster#1 on March 15, 2020, 04:03:01 PM
Transfer window going to a affected too.

Like I said a few days ago. I wouldn't be surprised if no sports for another 12 months

Still reckon at least another 6-12 months from now.
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Post by: gazberg on March 15, 2020, 04:28:34 PM
There is no way the governments of the world will stop everything for 12 months. It would be chaos.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 15, 2020, 04:42:37 PM
A Sky Poll is suggesting that 52% of those who responded want the season to be void
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Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on March 15, 2020, 04:54:29 PM
How about promote us and Leeds and just relegate Villa to league one just because their a virus and they try to infect everyone with their deluded ideas
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Post by: johnny Cash on March 15, 2020, 05:08:56 PM
A Sky Poll is suggesting that 52% of those who responded want the season to be void

Unless you have something positive to play for then voiding then season is fine from a fans perspective. What’s it matter if you are 8th - 14th, or Man Utd who would love Liverpool to lose it on a technicality.

Liverpool, Leicester, Us and Leeds would certainly disagree though. As would the majority of owners if you said ok this season is void, you get no money next season as you’ve had it for this one that didn’t count. Obviously sides like Villa and West Ham want it voided but that’s because they are in a mess but they are in that mess under normal circumstance.

They have to finish the season. Anything else is a farce. It’s 9 games for the majority.
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Post by: Foster#1 on March 15, 2020, 05:11:33 PM
There is no way the governments of the world will stop everything for 12 months. It would be chaos.

We will see.

I can't see anything else at the moment.
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Post by: gazberg on March 15, 2020, 05:22:24 PM
I think everything will slowly go back to normal once the over 70s are told to lock themselves away for a few weeks. The mortality rate is extremely low outside the under 65's. The 'herd' will be asked to bear it i believe and self isolate in steady numbers as it goes around.
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Post by: Barrington on March 15, 2020, 06:41:34 PM
Completely jumped the gun and over-reacted. They should have just finished the season as normal but postponed and re-arranged any games due to any players/managers who were infected. Vulnerable fans should have been advised to stay away and offered partial refunds for season tickets. Season could have just finished almost normally then. Instead they've caused a major problem which I see no way of resolving fairly or adequately. Most people will likely be infected eventually anyway and recover after suffering mild symptoms.
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Post by: gazberg on March 15, 2020, 06:57:01 PM
Yep total over reaction as they know we are in the early stages and not at peak. A futile gesture.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 15, 2020, 06:57:54 PM
I think everything will slowly go back to normal once the over 70s are told to lock themselves away for a few weeks. The mortality rate is extremely low outside the under 65's. The 'herd' will be asked to bear it i believe it and self isolate in steady numbers as it goes around.
I'll leave you my Home and Away season tickets in my will. Don't worry mate most over 70's are sensible and will look after themselves. I'll lock myself away for 4 months as suggested, and I'll be ready when the Baggies are. I hope the "herd" look after you.
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Post by: gazberg on March 15, 2020, 07:11:06 PM
I think you have missed my point completely, nevermind. That is why i typed 'herd'
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 15, 2020, 07:16:21 PM
I think you have missed my point completely, nevermind. That is why i typed 'herd'
On the contrary my dear fellow.
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Post by: gazberg on March 15, 2020, 07:20:52 PM
I can see this is something that you are sensitive too and as you say you already have everything sorted so i will leave it at that and wish you well.
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Post by: adamw1109 on March 15, 2020, 10:25:40 PM
Completely jumped the gun and over-reacted. They should have just finished the season as normal but postponed and re-arranged any games due to any players/managers who were infected. Vulnerable fans should have been advised to stay away and offered partial refunds for season tickets. Season could have just finished almost normally then. Instead they've caused a major problem which I see no way of resolving fairly or adequately. Most people will likely be infected eventually anyway and recover after suffering mild symptoms.

Why can't people like you see the effect its having around the world? you think places like Italy went into lockdown with around 16 million people just because they over reacted? ... No, they resulted in that because of not taking it as serious as it is when it first came about..... yet you think we should have carried on with the season? Have you not saw the increase in deaths in the UK in this weekend alone?

Really don't know what planet some people are living on, would love to see if people like you and gazberg reacted the same way as you are if one of your family members were affected by it.

It's true what they say, common sense isn't so common after all.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 15, 2020, 10:42:46 PM
There is no doubt the suspension is necessary, though maybe a week early in this country. The season will not be voided, they will either finish it late or award Liverpool the title and promote us and Leeds into a 22 team division. They'll let the EFL fend for themselves imo.
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Post by: gazberg on March 15, 2020, 10:56:32 PM
My original point remains. I don't want anyone to get it. Stopping football while everyone's getting hammered together in pubs clubs etc is virtually pointless.
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Post by: Foster#1 on March 15, 2020, 11:30:38 PM
With the news about over 70s I think that confirms nothing for at least 4 months

Roy a prem manager is over 70!
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Post by: Foster#1 on March 16, 2020, 07:54:23 AM
Italian FA have said they want Euros pushed back so they can finish domestic league.
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Post by: lewisant on March 16, 2020, 08:20:50 AM
My original point remains. I don't want anyone to get it. Stopping football while everyone's getting hammered together in pubs clubs etc is virtually pointless.

But Football is an organisational things and they can do everything they can stave off the threat of coronavirus. Pubs are different thing altogether and it's also down to the integrity of the individuals.

Klopp summed it up best for me, he said if ending the season can save 1 life then that's enough.
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Post by: crazedwbafan18 on March 16, 2020, 09:10:54 AM
I'm not going to panic about this because being rational, collected and calm about this is the best way we will get through this tough spell. I have arthritis; an autoimmune condition, and therefore i am in one of the 'at risk' categories even though i'm a 27 year guy in generally pretty good health. I'm not taking any risks as of last Friday, and i'm going to spend time going between my flat and our family home in Snowdonia until this passes. Being out and about only presents risks not just to yourself but then to others, and lets be honest, no one can confidently say that most people will just have mild symptoms as the virus itself is poorly understood. This is the time to be doing online learning, watch boxsets and get out in the open air, for walks and if it's 3 months of doing it then that's what we need to do. Stay away from any large social gatherings, as a planet we need to just shut down for a few months as far as is reasonably practical to get past COVID-19. Call your friends on facetime, take care of your mental health and just ride this whole thing out. Stay safe and healthy everyone.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: jazzswinger on March 16, 2020, 10:58:55 AM
If season stops, I would go for an average league position after each game played. 1st = 1 point.  League is then arranged lowest points tally at top, highest points tally at bottom. That surely would work out fair for teams like us and Scousers???
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Post by: gazberg on March 16, 2020, 11:10:58 AM
But Football is an organisational things and they can do everything they can stave off the threat of coronavirus. Pubs are different thing altogether and it's also down to the integrity of the individuals.

Klopp summed it up best for me, he said if ending the season can save 1 life then that's enough.

Totally agree with the sentiment but no way that could ever be proven.
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Post by: gazberg on March 16, 2020, 11:11:45 AM
Italian FA have said they want Euros pushed back so they can finish domestic league.

Yes this is what seems to be the more sensible option.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2020, 11:37:51 AM
West Brom plotting way through shutdown

Business as usual

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2020/03/16/west-brom-plotting-way-through-shutdown/
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on March 16, 2020, 11:41:30 AM
Top footy lawyer says season being voided very unlikely. Too many legal ramifications. Expect season to resume in a few months.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/coronavirus-premier-league-more-likely-to-be-postponed-than-cancelled-leading-sports-lawyer-says-2451360
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Post by: lewisant on March 16, 2020, 01:09:11 PM
Totally agree with the sentiment but no way that could ever be proven.

Obviously. Proving that somebody didn't get a virus because they didn't go the football would definitely be hard to prove. You could prove that somebody did get it by going though. How? Look at Israel's approach. I'm not condoning that by any stretch of the imagination, just offering a counterpoint.
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Post by: Powelly on March 16, 2020, 01:38:56 PM
Top footy lawyer says season being voided very unlikely. Too many legal ramifications. Expect season to resume in a few months.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/coronavirus-premier-league-more-likely-to-be-postponed-than-cancelled-leading-sports-lawyer-says-2451360

I don't understand why people are looking to next season when we have not completed this one yet? Surely it's common sense to complete this season (whenever that may be) and then once completed, have a meeting and discuss what we do for next season then.
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Post by: gazberg on March 16, 2020, 01:44:41 PM
Exactly and i hope that is the common sense people use. You cannot start the next season until the current one is finished. Simple logic.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 16, 2020, 05:48:36 PM
 I know these are extreme circumstances, but I really do not understand how the standpoint of just voiding the season is even a thing. We aren't five games in here, we are at a point whereby in most leagues there are fewer than ten games to go, you cannot just say that the 8 months you have spent playing all of those fixtures then suddenly count for absolutely nothing. Seems absurd to me.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on March 16, 2020, 08:43:33 PM
I agree. Voiding the season would create so much resentment towards the people who run football in this country.  But they have not got a good record. They have made a right mess of VAR where in other sports it works perfectly.

If they did void the season that means they would have to void our season tickets and all clubs would have to refund season ticket holders. That would mean financial ruin for a lot of clubs including us.

I would rather it played behind closed doors. If they did void the season i would have to seriously think if I would bother getting a season ticket again.

Its only the same case if we had extreme bad weather and no football could be played for a few months. Would they void the season then ??  No they would just extend the season.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: timdon on March 16, 2020, 09:55:55 PM
The problem I see is that, if the season started again in, say, July, some players would be out of contract, so all the squads would be different. What's more, those players would be free to sign for other clubs as they would be free agents. All the options come with big problems.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on March 16, 2020, 11:21:04 PM
Guys just seen some projections which I won't share because I cannot vouchsafe for their validity that suggests a peak in July and a fall off in infections to current levels not until September. It will take more than one season to recover the situation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on March 16, 2020, 11:34:13 PM
Finish this season firstly.
Secondly,why not play 18 games next season including the Euros?
In other words one game at home the next away and so on?
A sort of half season.
Havnt really thought it through really but less league matches with plenty of time for champions league etc then Euros.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Andio on March 17, 2020, 12:20:55 AM
All grassroots football has been suspended now as well.
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Post by: alex1 on March 17, 2020, 01:36:24 AM
I hope that the rest of the season can be finished behind closed doors if necessary. With potentially masses of people confined to their homes, it would be a little bit of entertainment for fans to look forward to in what would otherwise be a very dull time. You could easily adapt the iFollow streaming service so everyone had access to games. You'd hope that showing live games in pubs would be banned. 

The only proviso is that the health of players and ground staff should be protected, in which case all those should be compulsory tested for the virus, with anyone positive banned from the ground. 

I hope the Euros get postponed so that leagues in Europe can finish their programmes, and then delay the start of the next season.



 

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Aixelsyd on March 17, 2020, 02:11:49 AM
I've read of some interesting suggestions on how they should handle this (not necessarily just about the Prem & EFL)

1) Season stops now with ALL un-played games considered  0-0 draws..  Table places confirmed for CL, Euro qualifications etc... No play-offs...  Top 3 promoted and bottom 3 relegated (or as many as normal league)

2) Season completes when possible... normal Promotion, play-offs and Relegation... next season start at a suitable time afterwards and becomes  a mini competition...... Teams are drawn into regional(ish) groups of 5 or 6 (depending on numbers) and play each other Home & Away... then, depending on weeks available, a final series can be decided on.   All Top teams in mini groups play off for the Top 4 places (CL spots etc), all the 2nd places for the 5th to 8th... etc etc all the way down to relegation spots.

Thoughts

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on March 17, 2020, 07:12:58 AM
Most Leagues around Europe have no more than 10 games left and need a 5 to 6 week window to complete. These are the things that decide the future of clubs and as such take priority over everything else. Scrap CL/EL and Internationals. Sorry UEFA and the big clubs have to take the hit at the top end of the game where it best can be absorbed if that deflates players wages and fees a little well so be it. These are not normal times and are only set to get worse. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Barrington on March 17, 2020, 08:48:47 AM
A couple of options.

Cancel next season entirely and finish off this season in place of next season.

Or

Get a grip and finish off this season as soon as possible but advise the vulnerable to not attend games. Even play the games behind closed doors if they need to.

This could go on for the rest of the year or until a vaccine is released which will be next year. The government will eventually u-turn and tell us to go back to normal apart from the most vulnerable and we'll all be wondering why we wasted the chance to finish the season when it should have been finished. No way we all go on with the current measures for another 6-9 months, the world will cease to function.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 09:10:02 AM
Coronavirus: 'In this current dark reality, sport doesn't matter but it does'

I enjoyed reading this article, because I think it expresses how most football and sports fans feel. We are addicted and being deprived of your addiction isn't easy to accept and copy with for some.

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/51902553
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 09:22:28 AM
Revealed: £170m moves from Leeds and West Brom feared by PL chiefs

Source: https://www.footballinsider247.com/premier-league-fear-lawsuit-from-leeds-united-and-west-brom/
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 17, 2020, 09:29:11 AM
I agree. Voiding the season would create so much resentment towards the people who run football in this country.  But they have not got a good record. They have made a right mess of VAR where in other sports it works perfectly.

If they did void the season that means they would have to void our season tickets and all clubs would have to refund season ticket holders. That would mean financial ruin for a lot of clubs including us.

I would rather it played behind closed doors. If they did void the season i would have to seriously think if I would bother getting a season ticket again.

Its only the same case if we had extreme bad weather and no football could be played for a few months. Would they void the season then ??  No they would just extend the season.

Why would they have to refund season ticket holders? It's not as if the clubs have decided to end the season 10 games early and have any culpability.

Since we've already said that we will offer iFollow to all season ticket holders to enable them to watch any games that are played behind closed doors I'm not sure what else they could do.

Some fans still won't be able to watch on iFollow (my mum for example has no internet access) but I'd assume that most will accept that the club has tried to compensate fans with the gesture.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: lewisant on March 17, 2020, 09:43:15 AM
A couple of options.

Cancel next season entirely and finish off this season in place of next season.

Or

Get a grip and finish off this season as soon as possible but advise the vulnerable to not attend games. Even play the games behind closed doors if they need to.

This could go on for the rest of the year or until a vaccine is released which will be next year. The government will eventually u-turn and tell us to go back to normal apart from the most vulnerable and we'll all be wondering why we wasted the chance to finish the season when it should have been finished. No way we all go on with the current measures for another 6-9 months, the world will cease to function.

This really isn't the solution. The vulnerable can stay away from a footie match but then a young person can carry it and pass it on in a setting where vulnerable may be, or even pass it on and they pass it on. The mortality rate is low yes, but it's very contagious.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2020, 10:37:12 AM
I think the season should be played out behind closed doors with pay per view for the top two divisions, revenue to be shared with the clubs involved, good for the clubs, good for the fans.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 17, 2020, 10:56:08 AM
Revealed: £170m moves from Leeds and West Brom feared by PL chiefs

Source: https://www.footballinsider247.com/premier-league-fear-lawsuit-from-leeds-united-and-west-brom/

I'm not sure how this has any foundation, as I understand it there is no Premier League legislation that the top 3 in the EFL Championship get automatic promotion, they are invited to replace the Premier League bottom 3.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on March 17, 2020, 11:02:17 AM
I'm not sure how this has any foundation, as I understand it there is no Premier League legislation that the top 3 in the EFL Championship get automatic promotion, they are invited to replace the Premier League bottom 3.
Just says that Prem are worried about it,
I'm worried how I will spend my lottery winnings, doesn't mean it will happen (winning not spending)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 17, 2020, 11:41:02 AM
Albion to scale back operations

In light of recent events we are writing to you to advise of some operational changes the Club are taking in response to the coronavirus health crisis.
The Club will be stripping back its activities to support efforts to protect the health and well-being of players, staff and supporters. From today, The Hawthorns will be operating with a skeleton staff.
We will keep you updated with developments over email and on our social media platforms and on wba.co.uk. If you have a query please email enquiries@wbafc.co.uk.
TICKET OFFICE
The Ticket Office will be closed for visitors but fans can still use wbatickets.co.uk or call the Ticket Office on 0121 227 2227, Monday to Friday from 9am to 5pm.
RETAIL
The Stadium store is now closed and the Merry Hill store will close at 9pm this evening until at least 3rd April 2020. Any orders that were in store for Click & Collect have been passed to Stadium Reception for collection.
Supporters can still shop online at shop.wba.co.uk but please note we will be staffing the warehouse two days per week so there may be a delay in delivery of your order. There will be no Express Delivery option for now. If you have any queries for the retail team please email retail@wbafc.co.uk.
ALBION FOUNDATION
The Albion Foundation will reduce its staffing operations to a skeleton level and will encourage work from home wherever possible. It will continue to deliver to schools and in the community for all but the more vulnerable groups until government guidelines change.
HOSPITALITY
The Hospitality team will be working from home but your Account Manager can still be contacted via email, if you do not have an Account Manager but do have a query please contact hospitality@wbafc.co.uk.
CONFERENCE & EVENTS
At present we are still facilitating any booked events to be held at The Hawthorns. This may change as government instruction does but at present booked events are sill taking place. We have alternative catering options in place for anyone that requires them. Our Events Team will also be working from home but will be contactable over email or at events@wbafc.co.uk.
Mark Jenkins, Albion’s CEO, commented: “Clearly, we are in unprecedented times which will bring challenges for us all.
“But I want to reassure both our staff and supporters that the Club is soundly positioned to emerge from this period ready to resume normal operations, whenever that may be.
“The health and well-being of our staff and supporters is uppermost in our thoughts and as a result we have taken sensible precautions to try to protect their welfare.
“Where possible we are making plans for our staff to work from home and have already instigated protocols to reduce engagement between players and supporters for their mutual well-being.
“We are in a time which none of us have ever experienced before and it would be silly not to concede there are challenges ahead. But equally I have no doubts that our Club will overcome the difficulties.
“In the meantime, on behalf of all of us at Albion, I can only send our best wishes to all of our supporters and urge them to heed the best advice available and stay safe and well while we all cope with this global emergency.”
For health information and advice, head to the NHS website, while the government's recommendations can be found here.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 17, 2020, 12:20:29 PM
this season must be finished at some stage when that migh be, its next season that should suffer or even the season after that
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 12:28:04 PM
Even that's difficult though.  Do we lose our loan players if the season extends past June?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: KN22 on March 17, 2020, 12:50:04 PM
Even that's difficult though.  Do we lose our loan players if the season extends past June?

Not sure but I would assume that the rules over loans ending on 30 June will have to be changed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2020, 12:50:57 PM
Euros postponed till next year.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on March 17, 2020, 01:09:08 PM
Makes sense. This season has to be finished.
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Post by: gazberg on March 17, 2020, 01:47:15 PM
The CL and EL finals are pencilled in for 3rd week in June. Just been confirmed by UEFA so expecting football to resume before then obviously
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2020, 02:12:34 PM
Are Sky Sports reducing the cost yet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on March 17, 2020, 04:06:11 PM
Why would they have to refund season ticket holders? It's not as if the clubs have decided to end the season 10 games early and have any culpability.

Since we've already said that we will offer iFollow to all season ticket holders to enable them to watch any games that are played behind closed doors I'm not sure what else they could do.

Some fans still won't be able to watch on iFollow (my mum for example has no internet access) but I'd assume that most will accept that the club has tried to compensate fans with the gesture.

If they void the season then all the matches we watched were meaningless.

And yes if we are denied the opportunity to see the last 5 matches , which we have paid for then I expect a refund for those matches. I would also think that any other fan from any club in the country would also expect the same. In fact its almost a fifth of what we have paid.  That's approximately £80 to me. So if we say we have 15,000 season ticket holders at an average of £60 refund each that's about £900,000 refunds west brom would have to give back. So the financial impact on the clubs  will be quite severe.  Some of the clubs would probably not be able to survive such a financial burden.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on March 17, 2020, 04:12:12 PM
Not sure but I would assume that the rules over loans ending on 30 June will have to be changed.
I am sure they will say the default is loans go until the last game
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: timdon on March 17, 2020, 05:16:11 PM
I am sure they will say the default is loans go until the last game
Depends if the loan agreement says "until the end of the season" or "until 30 June". My guess is that for almost all loans it will be the latter. In which case, we (or any other club) won't have any legal right to continue with the loan past the agreed date. You can't force either the parent club or the player to extend the loan period. The same problem arises for players whose contracts end on 30 June - you can't force them to stay if they don't want to.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on March 17, 2020, 05:26:52 PM
My guess it will be a month of behind closed doors games, 2 games a week, maybe in June or July, SKY will agree to put out a lot of games free as a gesture of goodwill - and good marketing if you are being cynical.

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on March 17, 2020, 06:02:58 PM
UEFA want all football seasons/fixtures completed by June 30th they have confirmed as long as doesnt get drastically worse.

Seens there likely will be some behind closed doors then.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: adamw1109 on March 17, 2020, 06:26:21 PM
My guess it will be a month of behind closed doors games, 2 games a week, maybe in June or July, SKY will agree to put out a lot of games free as a gesture of goodwill - and good marketing if you are being cynical.

If only, its sky they will probably up their prices.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 17, 2020, 08:37:45 PM
If they void the season then all the matches we watched were meaningless.

And yes if we are denied the opportunity to see the last 5 matches , which we have paid for then I expect a refund for those matches. I would also think that any other fan from any club in the country would also expect the same. In fact its almost a fifth of what we have paid.  That's approximately £80 to me. So if we say we have 15,000 season ticket holders at an average of £60 refund each that's about £900,000 refunds west brom would have to give back. So the financial impact on the clubs  will be quite severe.  Some of the clubs would probably not be able to survive such a financial burden.
I think you may be surprised
Some would ask and want a refund, some would say that it’s not the most important thing....totally understanding that each to their own .
But your point about other clubs is the biggie....we could probably cope...others and a few of them....just wouldn’t .
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 09:18:16 PM
Things to do between now and 3rd April

“Can you name every Albion manager?”

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/march/can-you-name-every-albion-manager/

And don’t forget to Let us know your score
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 17, 2020, 09:20:11 PM
Things to do between now and 3rd April

“Can you name every Albion manager?”

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/march/can-you-name-every-albion-manager/ (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/march/can-you-name-every-albion-manager/)

And don’t forget to Let us know your score


76% with 100% post 1987
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Post by: Dudleylad on March 17, 2020, 10:00:27 PM
Only one I couldnt remember was Jesse Carver..and took me ages to remember Ray Harford.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: caravanc58 on March 17, 2020, 10:17:41 PM
2015-2017  couldn't recall who the FOOTBALL manager was during this spell.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: KN22 on March 17, 2020, 10:48:29 PM
2015-2017  couldn't recall who the FOOTBALL manager was during this spell.

We didn’t have one  :) I got 92% and am well happy with that. Only Hartford tripped me up of the modern ones. Could see his face but the name would not come
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on March 18, 2020, 05:20:14 AM
Remembered Burkinshaw, could I spell Burkinshaw? Hell, no. The other one that floored me was Archie Macaulay okay I was only 2 when he left. His wiki entry for his time at the club was "the Baggies did little under his two-year reign, instead enjoying mid-table obscurity" and the other gem "he latter worked as a traffic warden" Little did we know by the time Talbot arrived we would have loved a bit of top flight mid table obscurity.

 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 18, 2020, 07:57:03 AM
I think you may be surprised
Some would ask and want a refund, some would say that it’s not the most important thing....totally understanding that each to their own .
But your point about other clubs is the biggie....we could probably cope...others and a few of them....just wouldn’t .
My mate at work is a Accrington Stanley season ticket holder and as already been offered a refund for the last five games paid straight into his bank account.
If he accepts his season ticket is cancelled so if they do manage to play the games he would have to pay full match day price.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2020, 08:45:53 AM
Coronavirus: Football industry 'could turn ugly quickly', says Fifpro general secretary

Could Covid-19 be the catalyst that bursts the Premier League's financial bubble? Unfortunately, if it does, ordinary workers will lose there jobs and incomes

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51938076


Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on March 18, 2020, 09:13:36 AM
I think you may be surprised
Some would ask and want a refund, some would say that it’s not the most important thing....totally understanding that each to their own .
But your point about other clubs is the biggie....we could probably cope...others and a few of them....just wouldn’t .

In times where we should help each other get through this crisis, will the rich premier clubs help the smaller clubs   with the financial burdens they will be presented with ?  Me thinks not !!!!

It's like when you go to the supermarket, the premier clubs are the ones with all the toilet roll in their trolley and not thinking about other people !
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on March 18, 2020, 09:17:15 AM
My mate at work is a Accrington Stanley season ticket holder and as already been offered a refund for the last five games paid straight into his bank account.
If he accepts his season ticket is cancelled so if they do manage to play the games he would have to pay full match day price.

I would definitely ask for my refund but only if they had decided that there is no more football. If they can afford to pay very ordinary players thousands per week they can afford to refund my £80.
 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on March 18, 2020, 12:36:12 PM
If they played games behind closed doors, how many would still go to the ground if the promotion deciding game was a home game?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 18, 2020, 01:35:45 PM
If they played games behind closed doors, how many would still go to the ground if the promotion deciding game was a home game?
3m if it was Leeds 😄
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on March 18, 2020, 08:32:52 PM
Being mentioned on a few news outlets by health care professionals that this covid19 outbreak could last at least 18 months.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 18, 2020, 08:35:34 PM
Being mentioned on a few news outlets by health care professionals that this covid19 outbreak could last at least 18 months.
How?

If this carries in more than 6weeks , the govt would enforce lockdown and then the cold reality would be over the following four weeks you either recover or die ..
It will not be allowed to go on for that length of time ...imo
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on March 18, 2020, 08:41:23 PM
How?

If this carries in more than 6weeks , the govt would enforce lockdown and then the cold reality would be over the following four weeks you either recover or die ..
It will not be allowed to go on for that length of time ...imo
no vaccine for virus and would take that long to create cure.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: kirk on March 18, 2020, 09:17:26 PM
My solution all games plated asap behind closed doors, pubs are forced to shut on them days, games played on sky red button so everyone can see their teams, season tickets holders get free access to sky for the month (Clubs would need to cover these costs) and for everybody else sky could have a 1 month sport subscription. Not idea but the best option I believe
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: boinging_along on March 18, 2020, 09:17:54 PM
How?

If this carries in more than 6weeks , the govt would enforce lockdown and then the cold reality would be over the following four weeks you either recover or die ..
It will not be allowed to go on for that length of time ...imo

If you lock things down and people aren't exposed to the virus, and you don't have a cure or vaccine then the virus will pop straight back up. 

We need to be able to safeguard the vulnerable while ensuring the health services aren't completely swamped.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on March 18, 2020, 10:24:37 PM
If you lock things down and people aren't exposed to the virus, and you don't have a cure or vaccine then the virus will pop straight back up. 

We need to be able to safeguard the vulnerable while ensuring the health services aren't completely swamped.
Already testing vaccines, immunisations etc
I just don’t think they can let it run for 18 months ....lockdown kills it off .
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 19, 2020, 01:25:06 AM
Being mentioned on a few news outlets by health care professionals that this covid19 outbreak could last at least 18 months.
Turn the news off. It’s not the bubonic plague.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: caravanc58 on March 19, 2020, 08:16:51 AM
The World simply couldn't afford it to last 18 months.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: boinging_along on March 19, 2020, 08:20:01 AM
Already testing vaccines, immunisations etc
I just don’t think they can let it run for 18 months ....lockdown kills it off .

I think it'll take a while for it to pass.  We won't be in lockdown for that long, there's talk of tests to see if you've had it and are immune.  If so you can go back out there. Its all about buying time for the health services.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on March 19, 2020, 08:46:41 AM
1, there is no "cannot let it last that long" its a biological phenomenon which will pop back up as stated.
2, the world cannot afford it, is irrelevant argument, afford it or not without immunity / anti-viral it will be there waiting
3. Lockdown does NOT kill it off
3, Influenza has not been cured ever! we can manage it as it fortunately isn't as virulent or lethal as this Covid-19
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 19, 2020, 08:59:17 AM
The World simply couldn't afford it to last 18 months.

This is where I become sceptical of a long-term lockdown. How can people afford to live? We can't all claim benefits, or live off our savings. We can't all just exist in our own little bubble.

At some point you've got to just accept the risk and carry on with your life.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on March 19, 2020, 09:07:43 AM
This is where I become sceptical of a long-term lockdown. How can people afford to live? We can't all claim benefits, or live off our savings. We can't all just exist in our own little bubble.

At some point you've got to just accept the risk and carry on with your life.

I can't dispute the last sentence, some will live in their bunkers, some will say stuff it and get on with stuff
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Jack Thrust on March 19, 2020, 01:15:08 PM
From the Official Site:

"The FA, Premier League, EFL and women’s professional game, together with the PFA and LMA understand we are in unprecedented times and our thoughts are with everyone affected by COVID-19.

We are united in our commitment to finding ways of resuming the football season and ensuring all domestic and European club league and cup matches are played as soon as it is safe and possible to do so.

We have collectively supported UEFA in postponing EURO 2020 to create space in the calendar to ensure domestic and European club league and cup matches have an increased opportunity to be played and, in doing so, maintain the integrity of each competition.



The FA’s Rules and Regulations state that “the season shall terminate not later than the 1 June” and “each competition shall, within the limit laid down by The FA, determine the length of its own playing season”.

However, The FA’s Board has agreed for this limit to be extended indefinitely for the 2019/20 season in relation to Professional Football. Additionally, we have collectively agreed that the professional game in England will be further postponed until no earlier than 30 April.

The progress of COVID-19 remains unclear and we can reassure everyone the health and welfare of players, staff and supporters are our priority. We will continue to follow Government advice and work collaboratively to keep the situation under review and explore all options available to find ways of resuming the season when the conditions allow.

We would all like to re-emphasise that our thoughts are with everyone affected by COVID-19."

The key bit for me is that they had extended the deadline for finishing the season indefinitely, that to me is a signal that they will make every effort to finish the season, even if it means delaying next season.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on March 19, 2020, 01:16:32 PM
The sentiment is fine and the correct decision only time will tell as to how practical it turns out to be.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2020, 01:28:00 PM
Suspension extended until 30th April. Current season to be completed irrespective of length of total suspension.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: royhan on March 19, 2020, 01:30:03 PM
That’s good news.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 19, 2020, 02:35:55 PM
1, there is no "cannot let it last that long" its a biological phenomenon which will pop back up as stated.
2, the world cannot afford it, is irrelevant argument, afford it or not without immunity / anti-viral it will be there waiting
3. Lockdown does NOT kill it off
3, Influenza has not been cured ever! we can manage it as it fortunately isn't as virulent or lethal as this Covid-19
If you locked down for a whole month we zero contact....how does it continue?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Barrington on March 19, 2020, 04:15:10 PM
If they carry on like this you can say goodbye to the 2020/2021 season completely. Let's just say for example that the situation stays the same until July. The season will be about 5 months behind schedule. Little chance you're going to finish this season starting again with all remaining games after July and then also get a proper 2020/2021 season in too.

...and if they're going to just change their mind and decide that playing behind closed doors is OK in a couple of months time, why are we wasting this time now when we could already be playing behind closed doors and limiting the negative impact on the upcoming programme next season?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2020, 04:41:23 PM
If they carry on like this you can say goodbye to the 2020/2021 season completely. Let's just say for example that the situation stays the same until July. The season will be about 5 months behind schedule. Little chance you're going to finish this season starting again with all remaining games after July and then also get a proper 2020/2021 season in too.

...and if they're going to just change their mind and decide that playing behind closed doors is OK in a couple of months time, why are we wasting this time now when we could already be playing behind closed doors and limiting the negative impact on the upcoming programme next season?


Next season will not happen in the current format.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: boinging_along on March 19, 2020, 04:48:50 PM

Next season will not happen in the current format.

There's 9/10 games left so you could get through that in 5 weeks at a push.  Can imagine that we start next season a bit later and remove the league cup or something.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: timdon on March 19, 2020, 05:09:46 PM
Suspension extended until 30th April. Current season to be completed irrespective of length of total suspension.
Even if you are right, there will be some huge issues to sort out, particularly regarding loans, contracts ending, transfer window activity etc. I wouldn't like to be in the shoes of the people having to sort out what will inevitably be an almighty mess.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2020, 05:39:02 PM

Next season will not happen in the current format.

What format do you envisage it happening in?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2020, 06:51:42 PM
Even if you are right, there will be some huge issues to sort out, particularly regarding loans, contracts ending, transfer window activity etc. I wouldn't like to be in the shoes of the people having to sort out what will inevitably be an almighty mess.


The shoes they don't want to be in are Leeds, ourselves, Norwich, Villa and Bournemouth all suing them for circa £170 million.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2020, 06:53:39 PM
What format do you envisage it happening in?


No League Cup, no international friendlies, no FA Cup replays, no winter break. Waiver on the 4 week holiday entitlement.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: timdon on March 20, 2020, 12:13:01 PM

The shoes they don't want to be in are Leeds, ourselves, Norwich, Villa and Bournemouth all suing them for circa £170 million.
That's true, but all the other issues that I raised will also potentially end up as conflicts and/or litigation unless they come up with fair and balanced solutions, which frankly don't exist. There isn't an outcome that doesn't bring huge problems and unfairness with it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 20, 2020, 12:18:44 PM
That's true, but all the other issues that I raised will also potentially end up as conflicts and/or litigation unless they come up with fair and balanced solutions, which frankly don't exist. There isn't an outcome that doesn't bring huge problems and unfairness with it.


There is nothing unfair about completing this season at the expense of next. If loan players have to return, so be it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: timdon on March 20, 2020, 07:41:47 PM

There is nothing unfair about completing this season at the expense of next. If loan players have to return, so be it.
That's fine. I'm not disagreeing. But, say the end of this season is completed between July and September. Would it be fair to be able to buy new players during that time? Loan new players during this time? Maybe it would, but the poorest clubs at the top and the bottom of the league might disagree.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 20, 2020, 07:43:33 PM
That's fine. I'm not disagreeing. But, say the end of this season is completed between July and September. Would it be fair to be able to buy new players during that time? Loan new players during this time? Maybe it would, but the poorest clubs at the top and the bottom of the league might disagree.


They won't open a new transfer window until it has finished imo.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on March 20, 2020, 07:53:10 PM

They won't open a new transfer window until it has finished imo.

I think, on sky sports earlier,  they alluded to the fact that current contracts would be frozen and several high profile players, whose contracts are up, we’re saying they would stay and see the season completed. Willian of Chelsea spring to mind.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: timdon on March 20, 2020, 08:05:23 PM

They won't open a new transfer window until it has finished imo.
So with no new platers coming in, loan players returning and not coming back, and out of contract players leaving, some squads are likely to be spread pretty thin.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on March 20, 2020, 08:22:03 PM
So with no new platers coming in, loan players returning and not coming back, and out of contract players leaving, some squads are likely to be spread pretty thin.

Is that metal platers?  :)
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Post by: timdon on March 20, 2020, 08:51:50 PM
Is that metal platers?  :)
Ideally not, I've never rated him. One trick pony. Electroplate would be a good signing on the wing and would certainly consider Tinplate if we were going to play one upfront.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 20, 2020, 09:01:20 PM
Ideally not, I've never rated him. One trick pony. Electroplate would be a good signing on the wing and would certainly consider Tinplate if we were going to play one upfront.
That's gold.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on March 20, 2020, 09:11:26 PM
That's gold.

Or pyrite  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 20, 2020, 10:18:10 PM
Ideally not, I've never rated him. One trick pony. Electroplate would be a good signing on the wing and would certainly consider Tinplate if we were going to play one upfront.
That’s all well and good, but we need someone to weld it all together. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on March 20, 2020, 10:35:52 PM
Perhaps Slaven will take those lead boots off Charlie.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: chippyclarke on March 24, 2020, 04:39:48 PM
Regarding the end of this season and start of next, how about finishing all this seasons games, even if it's October and then have one month break and next season clubs only play each other once. Home or away games to be decided somehow (the EFL can do that bit!). Its fair then for every club.
Any comments?!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 24, 2020, 09:48:00 PM
Regarding the end of this season and start of next, how about finishing all this seasons games, even if it's October and then have one month break and next season clubs only play each other once. Home or away games to be decided somehow (the EFL can do that bit!). Its fair then for every club.
Any comments?!!!!!!!!
No thanks
Potential to be hugely unfair
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on March 26, 2020, 01:15:28 AM
News report from health experts in US are seeing signs that this virus could be seasonal like flu. Probably won't get back to normal until vaccine is found but at least there's a glimmer of hope.
Football for forcible future when ever it returns will probably have to be played behind closed doors.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on March 26, 2020, 12:12:46 PM
I was wondering if they might insist games are played respecting the 2m distancing.  That could be fun - it would quite suit Matty Phillips.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on March 26, 2020, 01:37:43 PM
Absolutely no change for Charlie Austin then when we are off the ball and he is closing down defenders
For Charlie, 2m would be a vast improvement
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 26, 2020, 03:48:20 PM
seasons over then for some i am hearing

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj10Kq7vrjoAhXQTsAKHR7VCvUQ0PADMAB6BAgFEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball%2F52052351&usg=AOvVaw21CS8B9Q32_btjGZ59Kquu
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 26, 2020, 03:50:10 PM
seasons over then i am hearing

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj10Kq7vrjoAhXQTsAKHR7VCvUQ0PADMAB6BAgFEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball%2F52052351&usg=AOvVaw21CS8B9Q32_btjGZ59Kquu (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj10Kq7vrjoAhXQTsAKHR7VCvUQ0PADMAB6BAgFEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball%2F52052351&usg=AOvVaw21CS8B9Q32_btjGZ59Kquu)


Not unless we've been relegated 5 tiers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: caravanc58 on March 26, 2020, 03:54:15 PM
seasons over then for some i am hearing

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj10Kq7vrjoAhXQTsAKHR7VCvUQ0PADMAB6BAgFEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball%2F52052351&usg=AOvVaw21CS8B9Q32_btjGZ59Kquu
For national leagues atm, gets far more complicated the higher up the league's you go.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggies on March 26, 2020, 04:12:32 PM
It is a bad sign, although this does seem to be an agreement between the all of the member clubs based on the fact non league sides have such a high turn over of players post 1st June (gutted for Halesowen town who were into the semi final of the FA Trophy as well as being odds on for promotion).

We may however have to be realistic to the fact that the June aspirational date could very easily be unachievable and if that happens, it is a 50/50 toss up around us having the season written off (I suppose it depends on how the laws are written and how they can be interpreted).

One saving grace is Liverpool. They are that far ahead, and they are such a big name that the Premier League will be unlikely to want to take the title off them. If they do give them the league, because "they have been miles ahead all season", then they may have to concede us and Leeds have done a similar thing and allow a 22 team prem next season.

It isn't perfect but it's better than nothing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Westie on March 26, 2020, 07:12:55 PM
Whenever football resumes, with spectators, this illness will not have gone away, it will be just that the NHS will be able to cope with the numbers of patients. People will still be at risk of dying from it, so I am expecting that people who are deemed to be at most risk will be advised to stay away. This will probably be the case until a vaccine is available. It could be some time before I set foot inside The Hawthorns again. Take care one and all.

COYB
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 27, 2020, 06:52:52 AM
Whenever football resumes, with spectators, this illness will not have gone away, it will be just that the NHS will be able to cope with the numbers of patients. People will still be at risk of dying from it, so I am expecting that people who are deemed to be at most risk will be advised to stay away. This will probably be the case until a vaccine is available. It could be some time before I set foot inside The Hawthorns again. Take care one and all.

COYB

I think you are right, at some point, all life will return to a new normal, living with the virus around, until, as you say, we have a vaccine or possibly herd or received immunity makes transmission less likely. That would require in excess of 60% of the population to be immune.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on March 27, 2020, 09:28:16 AM
I would imagine that even if things have calmed down a bit/peaked by early summer they will expect squads to be in quarantine for the period of the remaining games and get them done at 3 a week behind closed doors.  Complete guesswork, I am sitting around quite a lot at the moment!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on March 27, 2020, 09:39:20 AM
Comments from exec's at PL clubs being reported in the Athletic that there is a growing appetite for the current season to be abandoned and for the game to restart with a new season whenever that is possible. There are plainly all sorts of issues not least of all the money paid by the broadcasters to screen the games that are now abandoned not least because a large part of that money has now been distributed to the clubs and well this being football spent.

Personally I would still complete the season whenever we can resume and then take stock abandoning/postponing tournaments e.g. the World Cup that have yet to take place rather than ones that are 2/3rd' s complete.

Yet overall this seems trivial at this point. Whatever stay safe fellow Baggies hope to see you at the Hawthorns when we are through this.   
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggie38 on March 27, 2020, 10:04:24 AM
If they abandoned this season after all the time work and money put into it I'd fall out of love with the game I'd simply lose all interest. I can't see how they can get away with abandoning it to be fair at the very least it has to be played behind closed doors.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: boinging_along on March 27, 2020, 10:39:16 AM
If they abandoned this season after all the time work and money put into it I'd fall out of love with the game I'd simply lose all interest. I can't see how they can get away with abandoning it to be fair at the very least it has to be played behind closed doors.

But if that can put players\staff and their families at risk, is that the right thing to do?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 27, 2020, 11:09:39 AM
Were it not for Liverpool being in such a strong position, the season would have been abandoned already.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on March 27, 2020, 11:15:50 AM
But if that can put players\staff and their families at risk, is that the right thing to do?
That's why I wondered about quarantining the squads during the final games, there will be empty hotels everywhere.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mank baggie on March 27, 2020, 11:18:01 AM
Were it not for Liverpool being in such a strong position, the season would have been abandoned already.

If it was Burnley' or Sheffield United instead of liverpool at the top they also would of cancelled it already.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: hardtobeat on March 27, 2020, 02:36:22 PM
Comments from exec's at PL clubs being reported in the Athletic that there is a growing appetite for the current season to be abandoned and for the game to restart with a new season whenever that is possible. There are plainly all sorts of issues not least of all the money paid by the broadcasters to screen the games that are now abandoned not least because a large part of that money has now been distributed to the clubs and well this being football spent.

Personally I would still complete the season whenever we can resume and then take stock abandoning/postponing tournaments e.g. the World Cup that have yet to take place rather than ones that are 2/3rd' s complete.

Yet overall this seems trivial at this point. Whatever stay safe fellow Baggies hope to see you at the Hawthorns when we are through this.   
If the season is to be abandoned surely it is only right that teams go with what they have I.e no transfer window. Yes that may cause problems with loans , out of contracts etc but as so much of the season has been played surely it can't be right that teams have another chance to spend heavily ! Indeed why not finish this season by starting again in January 2021 should have the league s done by Mid March ,finish the fa cup and then still have plenty time to ready  international teams for Euros
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on March 27, 2020, 02:50:24 PM
If the season is scrubbed, I hope our grand old founder member club behaves gracefully whatever we might feel like.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 27, 2020, 02:51:35 PM
The seasons will be finished. The FA do not fancy having their collective ass sued off by Sky and BT.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: silver surfer on March 27, 2020, 03:55:02 PM
If the season is to be abandoned surely it is only right that teams go with what they have I.e no transfer window. Yes that may cause problems with loans , out of contracts etc but as so much of the season has been played surely it can't be right that teams have another chance to spend heavily ! Indeed why not finish this season by starting again in January 2021 should have the league s done by Mid March ,finish the fa cup and then still have plenty time to ready  international teams for Euros
Thats not a bad idea, postpone next season in effect by extending the existing one into late 2020 early 2021. I’d rather miss a season than waste one that’s 80% done.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on March 27, 2020, 04:39:52 PM
The clubs that have already had their season abandoned are already taking legal action against FA,  if professional leagues were concidered nul and void there would be lawsuits galore for governing bodies to contend with. Can seeBroad casters would want there money back or refuse to pay new season instalment, man city's win in league Cup would be scrubbed and fans could ask to be reimbursed for season tickets.
Who would be eligible to play in Champions league and Europa league? Going down this route would be suicidal for the Fa.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on March 27, 2020, 04:50:57 PM
Thats not a bad idea, postpone next season in effect by extending the existing one into late 2020 early 2021. I’d rather miss a season than waste one that’s 80% done.
I'm not sure the Vile would agree with you there!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: silver surfer on March 27, 2020, 05:00:28 PM
I'm not sure the Vile would agree with you there!
why not? Every club would get the chance to save their season rather than having it taken out of their hands.
There's no guarantee that next season will start on time anyway.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: hardtobeat on March 27, 2020, 05:47:01 PM
I'm not sure the Vile would agree with you there!
Who cares!!!! ;D :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: kie the baggie on March 27, 2020, 06:43:57 PM
Question if this season is voided where does that leave us as fans, as essentially we have paid for a product that never was??
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 27, 2020, 07:12:51 PM
Most commentators are saying that no global government has an exit strategy for the coronavirus crisis.

I can't see how any authority (Football or otherwise) can develop a contingency plan until they know what the end game is.

According to the medical specialists, even if they do manage to arrest the spread of the virus in the next few months, it could flare up again in the winter of 2020/21, so affecting next season

I suspect, at the moment, football authorities, tv & media are looking at ways to support vulnerable clubs, really can't see a definitive decision coming just yet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: boingusmaximus on March 28, 2020, 12:55:53 AM
In 1963 when the big freeze stopped football for best part of three months, the Pools Panel was brought in to predict results to satisfy the gamblers of the day. The results did not actually count in the real world. With modern computer programmes and all the stats available, what about the season being finished by computer ? No human involvement other than programming the info, and TV could make a big thing of producing the results as if they were real games.
I think we would get promoted as well!       
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 28, 2020, 08:20:46 AM
In 1963 when the big freeze stopped football for best part of three months, the Pools Panel was brought in to predict results to satisfy the gamblers of the day. The results did not actually count in the real world. With modern computer programmes and all the stats available, what about the season being finished by computer ? No human involvement other than programming the info, and TV could make a big thing of producing the results as if they were real games.
I think we would get promoted as well!     

It's been discussed before, IMO it's got some merit, but it's based on the assumption that the pandemic will be over by Autumn.
All the indications suggest that it might die down a bit in the summer months, & then re-occur in Autumn.
I think there will be massive disruptions to next season also.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 28, 2020, 11:10:58 AM
It's been discussed before, IMO it's got some merit, but it's based on the assumption that the pandemic will be over by Autumn.
All the indications suggest that it might die down a bit in the summer months, & then re-occur in Autumn.
I think there will be massive disruptions to next season also.
As anyone considered that football in its current guise may not return ever?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Brummie Road on March 28, 2020, 01:25:48 PM
As anyone considered that football in its current guise may not return ever?

I'm sure football will return but I do think, when we do get the all clear, a lot more realism needs to be in place, primarily in terms of clubs, particularly in the Prem and Championship, players and worthless hanger on agents, having to be a lot more realistic in terms of wage demands and the level of overall turnover being directed towards salaries and signing on fees.

The football industry has had one hell of a shock and as times goes on, the likelihood of the season being voided grows.

I know it's not what we want and I'm hoping that somehow we can finish the season but there's going to be millions facing financial uncertainty and the longer this goes on the less importance will be placed on finishing the season and more focus towards when we can start afresh, both in our personal and working lives as well as the football. 

My guess is that after several months away from The Hawthorns, for many of us it will simply be a relief to get back into the stadium regardless of which league we're in.

All guess work and speculation obviously, and I hope that somehow we can all get back to normal in a few weeks, finish off the season and, hopefully, nail an automatic promotion place but deep down I suspect that's an incredibly optimistic hope.     
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 28, 2020, 01:37:02 PM
I'm sure football will return but I do think, when we do get the all clear, a lot more realism needs to be in place, primarily in terms of clubs, particularly in the Prem and Championship, players and worthless hanger on agents, having to be a lot more realistic in terms of wage demands and the level of overall turnover being directed towards salaries and signing on fees.

The football industry has had one hell of a shock and as times goes on, the likelihood of the season being voided grows.

I know it's not what we want and I'm hoping that somehow we can finish the season but there's going to be millions facing financial uncertainty and the longer this goes on the less importance will be placed on finishing the season and more focus towards when we can start afresh, both in our personal and working lives as well as the football. 

My guess is that after several months away from The Hawthorns, for many of us it will simply be a relief to get back into the stadium regardless of which league we're in.

All guess work and speculation obviously, and I hope that somehow we can all get back to normal in a few weeks, finish off the season and, hopefully, nail an automatic promotion place but deep down I suspect that's an incredibly optimistic hope.   

Great perspective.

This virus isn't going to go away. We might stifle it for a while but it will keep coming back just like any other virus. Until we find a vaccine the threat will be there all the time. Herd immunity could be the long term answer but that would mean many many deaths before we could get to that point.

Football, and everything else in the world pretty much, is going to have to evolve. If somehow it does some lasting damage to our greed league culture that could only be a good thing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: miggybaggy on March 28, 2020, 02:10:47 PM
Well I can tell you of one lifelong Baggie who's fallen victim to Covid 19....my cousin died in Russells Hall Hospital yesterday...61, same age as me. RIP Chris.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on March 28, 2020, 02:13:19 PM
Sorry to hear that Miggy, my condolences.


My friends older brother died of it on Thursday, he was 46 but he had underlying health issues as well. I didn't actually know his older brother but it sure brings it home. Be safe everyone.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 28, 2020, 02:35:31 PM
Well I can tell you of one lifelong Baggie who's fallen victim to Covid 19....my cousin died in Russells Hall Hospital yesterday...61, same age as me. RIP Chris.
Thoughts with you and his family
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 28, 2020, 03:12:54 PM
Thoughts & condolences for all members of the Albion Family who have suffered as a result of this awful virus.

Going back to Z & B's comment about the "guise" of football when the pandemic is over.

IMO the global economy will be ripped to shreds, so it's difficult to predict what will happen, but if the economy is stalled for a sustained length of time, the world, post pandemic, is likely to be unrecognisable.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: lewisant on March 28, 2020, 03:58:41 PM
Sorry to hear that Gazberg and Miggybaggy.

These are sad times. Hope everybody connected is ok.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 28, 2020, 04:48:47 PM
IMO the global economy will be ripped to shreds, so it's difficult to predict what will happen, but if the economy is stalled for a sustained length of time, the world, post pandemic, is likely to be unrecognisable.

I think this too. My wife is being called back to the NHS and I can tell you those ITK are very worried to say the least.

Still really drunk off by the panic buyers and the people still meeting up, unbelievable.

My heartfelt condolences to Gazberg and Miggybaggy and to anyone who has lost someone in the course of this; sadly I think it's going to hit us all in some way.

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on March 28, 2020, 05:09:15 PM
so sorry to hear that news lads, my thoughts are with you all and your families.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: kc56wba on March 28, 2020, 08:40:09 PM
Sorry to hear the sad news Gazberg and Miggybaggy.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on March 28, 2020, 10:01:02 PM
For the first time I am actually starting to not care if they finish the season or not.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 28, 2020, 10:36:48 PM
For the first time I am actually starting to not care if they finish the season or not.
Rob, I am almost the same. blaise.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggy nerd on March 28, 2020, 11:02:24 PM
I think we are many months off crowds being allowed to watch sporting events and that would only leave the option of finishing the season behind closed doors. Then you have the problem that a club could be struck down at any stage and have to stop playing again. Putting the clubs into quarantine over a period has been mentioned, but is this really possible?
Whatever happens, sport is going to be in a mess for the foreseeable future. At least voiding the season would put an end to a bit of the uncertainty but would lead to so many injustices. Would the likes of Norwich get the TV money again? Teams would play in Europe again without meriting it. No title for Liverpool when it looked a certainty.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Topman on March 29, 2020, 12:31:10 AM
I would be open to staying in the championship for another year if there was an attractive financial package available given where we are currently in the league in form of some type of compensation. But I doubt that will happen.

As other posters have said, for the first time I actually am getting to the stage now where I actually don’t care. There are bigger issues than football at the min and we just need maybe to accept that it
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheBaggieMan on March 29, 2020, 08:48:30 AM
Until a vaccine is developed or herd immunity to Corvid19 there will be no group sport being played worldwide. Yes, the virus will diminish with the lock-downs we are now going through but will surely reappear with  avengence when restrictions are lifted.

To develop a vaccine will take a year and to inoculate the population of the entire planet will take at least another year so those who think we will be watching sport in the summer are living in cloud cuckoo land!

It wouldn’t surprise me if there was no ‘crowd’ involved sport until 2022/23.

 :(



Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: kirk on March 29, 2020, 10:19:56 AM
Question if this season is voided where does that leave us as fans, as essentially we have paid for a product that never was??

You could use the small claims court if they void the league and take the epl through these courts, if thousands did this I doubt the epl could cope
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 29, 2020, 11:02:47 AM
I think we are many months off crowds being allowed to watch sporting events and that would only leave the option of finishing the season behind closed doors. Then you have the problem that a club could be struck down at any stage and have to stop playing again. Putting the clubs into quarantine over a period has been mentioned, but is this really possible?
Whatever happens, sport is going to be in a mess for the foreseeable future. At least voiding the season would put an end to a bit of the uncertainty but would lead to so many injustices. Would the likes of Norwich get the TV money again? Teams would play in Europe again without meriting it. No title for Liverpool when it looked a certainty.


As the situation develops, it's becoming more clear that this virus will also have an impact on next season.
Football clubs, including our own, have made significant investments this season, & IMO the season should be allowed to finish.

If we have to sacrifice a season, then it should be next, when every club has re-set to zero.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on March 29, 2020, 11:20:46 AM
Until a vaccine is developed or herd immunity to Corvid19 there will be no group sport being played worldwide. Yes, the virus will diminish with the lock-downs we are now going through but will surely reappear with  avengence when restrictions are lifted.

To develop a vaccine will take a year and to inoculate the population of the entire planet will take at least another year so those who think we will be watching sport in the summer are living in cloud cuckoo land!

It wouldn’t surprise me if there was no ‘crowd’ involved sport until 2022/23.

 :(

There was an interesting report on the 1918 Flu Pandemic that I saw yesterday sadly I've not kept the link.

It is true there will be a second wave but only if restrictions are lifted too soon. One US city got to the peak and then only 8 days later held a public rally or celebrstion with a quarter of a million people. This city had a strong second wave and sadly for its citizens the highest death rate of any city.


Those that didn't partake in such stupidity saw a steady and gradual decline with no real 2nd wave. Those cities waited a few weeks from the peak, not 8 days and no intensive gatherings of people.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 29, 2020, 11:48:34 AM
There was an interesting report on the 1918 Flu Pandemic that I saw yesterday sadly I've not kept the link.

It is true there will be a second wave but only if restrictions are lifted too soon. One US city got to the peak and then only 8 days later held a public rally or celebrstion with a quarter of a million people. This city had a strong second wave and sadly for its citizens the highest death rate of any city.


Those that didn't partake in such stupidity saw a steady and gradual decline with no real 2nd wave. Those cities waited a few weeks from the peak, not 8 days and no intensive gatherings of peoe.

I think we need to be careful making comparisons to the 1918 epidemic, as I understand it, a large proportion of victims were soldiers returning from the trenches having suffered lung damage from mustard gas.

As far as the covid19 epidemic is concerned, from the stats available at the moment, around 10% of those tested have the virus, what we don't know is how many of the 90% have had it & not known or recovered.
If the majority of the 90% are immuned, then a second wave might be insignificant, on the other hand.....................
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on March 29, 2020, 12:05:01 PM
Agreed but the way a virus moves and spreads is fairly 'standard'. I think that is what todays 'flattening the curve' actions are based upon is all i am saying.

Found the link.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on March 29, 2020, 05:09:20 PM
An update from England's deputy chief medical officer Dr Jenny Harries says forms of lockdown/distancing measures could be in place around for 6 months - reviewed every 3 weeks. That is end of September.

I do not wish to be unduly pessimistic but it is difficult to see all the clubs coming through this.

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 29, 2020, 07:30:58 PM
Personally I honestly do not give a **** if the "sport" survives. Just looking on social media and they players all me me. I have had it with football. I hope you are all stayin safe.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 29, 2020, 07:40:32 PM
An update from England's deputy chief medical officer Dr Jenny Harries says forms of lockdown/distancing measures could be in place around for 6 months - reviewed every 3 weeks. That is end of September.

I do not wish to be unduly pessimistic but it is difficult to see all the clubs coming through this.

TBH Stan, it's difficult to see a number of small businesses surviving. Most we're built on enthusiasm (especially service businesses like restaurants, hairdressers etc), when you've had a kick in the goulies, it's really hard to do it again.
As others have said in this topic, the UK, post covid19 is likely to be unrecognisable.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggy nerd on March 29, 2020, 10:47:57 PM
Ilkay Gundogan saying it is fair to award Liverpool the title. Very sporting but if you give them the title you also have to relegate and promote teams. I know it wont happen, but how would our fans feel if we didn't finish the season but were still promoted?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on March 30, 2020, 01:56:43 AM
TBH Stan, it's difficult to see a number of small businesses surviving. Most we're built on enthusiasm (especially service businesses like restaurants, hairdressers etc), when you've had a kick in the goulies, it's really hard to do it again.
As others have said in this topic, the UK, post covid19 is likely to be unrecognisable.


Absolutely as I have said sport is at best the most important thing of the unimportant things in life. Yet there will come a point when we will return to "normal" and in general people will want to return to a life familiar from before the pandemic and sport is very much part of what normal means. 
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Post by: liverbaggie on March 30, 2020, 07:50:19 AM
But perhaps some lessons must be adhered to such as hand washing.
The importance of this in our daily lives was always vital,this virus is a remunder to all to wash / gel hands as often as possible.
So many men don't do this after using the toilet,I notice it all the time up the Albion etc.must continue this post virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 30, 2020, 08:42:02 AM
Lots of noise coming from various sources the season will be declared null and void. Harry Kane, Karen Brady to name two.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on March 30, 2020, 08:48:15 AM
But perhaps some lessons must be adhered to such as hand washing.
The importance of this in our daily lives was always vital,this virus is a remunder to all to wash / gel hands as often as possible.
So many men don't do this after using the toilet,I notice it all the time up the Albion etc.must continue this post virus.

I've often said it when I have been up the match, there's always a queue to use the toilets but never a queue to wash your hands !!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on March 30, 2020, 08:52:17 AM
Lots of noise coming from various sources the season will be declared null and void. Harry Kane, Karen Brady to name two.

The noise is all from people in football who have everything to gain from a void season, karen brady at West ham because they have a chance of being relegated, Harry Kane because Spurs are struggling to get a place in Europe.  The season has to finish even if its at the expense of next season. 

I would actually accept staying in this division if they give us the £170 million we would have got if we got promoted.  We could then have a season like this season, good entertaining football, no VAR, no big team bias from the refs.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 30, 2020, 09:05:31 AM
The noise is all from people in football who have everything to gain from a void season, karen brady at West ham because they have a chance of being relegated, Harry Kane because Spurs are struggling to get a place in Europe.  The season has to finish even if its at the expense of next season. 

I would actually accept staying in this division if they give us the £170 million we would have got if we got promoted.  We could then have a season like this season, good entertaining football, no VAR, no big team bias from the refs.
Me too mate , the perfect scenario.
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Post by: seteefeet on March 30, 2020, 09:38:14 AM
Me too mate , the perfect scenario.
Yep, same here.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 30, 2020, 10:59:27 AM
The noise is all from people in football who have everything to gain from a void season, karen brady at West ham because they have a chance of being relegated, Harry Kane because Spurs are struggling to get a place in Europe.  The season has to finish even if its at the expense of next season. 

I would actually accept staying in this division if they give us the £170 million we would have got if we got promoted.  We could then have a season like this season, good entertaining football, no VAR, no big team bias from the refs.

So would I.

Some reports yesterday that Premier League had plans to finish the season behind closed doors. Problem with that is, without the EFL also completing, there couldn't be any relegations & promotions

Looked at the Championship table last night & even assuming Us & Leeds were the top 2, there are at least 10 teams who could be in positions 3 to 6.

Think there could be some pretty big compensation claims coming in if the Prem go it alone.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 30, 2020, 01:03:01 PM
Can't see the powers that be being willing to dish out Premier League money to 22 teams unless if they absolutely have too.

Craming a season out behind closed downs in late June/July still remains the obvious front runner in my head.

They can easily just make every team play 3 times a week similar to how a world cup is treated.


I think we all need to get our heads around the fact that this is likely to be a long term problem.
We were told yesterday, that it's likely to go on for at least 6 months. If that's the case, it wouldn't be possible to "cram games in" in June/July to save next season.
If it were my decision, I'd forfeit next season in it's present format to save this season (All clubs have made significant investments to get a return for this season, it would be wrong not to get a conclusion)

It might be possible to break the leagues down into mini- leagues, with seeded teams & play-offs, to get a truncated 20/21 season completed. (similar to the world cup format)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on March 30, 2020, 02:01:57 PM
Was my understanding though that we are to believed to be a lockdown situation until June with a social distancing period until around October (and then probably lockdown again)

Whether we can play games behind closed doors in a social distancing period is another matter.

More than happy from a fan perspective to forfeit a 2020/2021 and kick it all back up again in 2021. Going to be an absolute logistical nightmare from a football perspective if/when we get a second wave in the winter months.

Been giving some thought to the mini-league idea.

There are 24 teams in the championship, if we play each other home & away, that's 46 games in a season plus the two cup competitions.
If we broke the championship into (say) 4 mini-leagues of 6 teams, with each mini-league being seeded. That would be 10 games per mini-league top 2 teams of each mini-league to be involved in a knock-out competition to find 1st 2nd & 3rd. so 1/4 final to find last 4, semi final to find last 2, final decides champions, losing finalist runner up, losing semi-finalists play each other for 3rd spot - so another 8 games in total.
Probably start that in January & be completed by May, with all players match fit for the Euro's.
Job done  :)

Also have to have a knock out for the relegation spots with the bottom 2 from each mini-league playing each other
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 30, 2020, 02:42:46 PM
I would actually accept staying in this division if they give us the £170 million we would have got if we got promoted.  We could then have a season like this season, good entertaining football, no VAR, no big team bias from the refs.

Great notion. Well said.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 30, 2020, 02:43:18 PM
Personally I honestly do not give a **** if the "sport" survives. Just looking on social media and they players all me me. I have had it with football. I hope you are all stayin safe.

Hope that's not true, I quite like most of your posts!
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Post by: Albionic on March 30, 2020, 06:09:05 PM
Just musing, what about
a) finish this season ASAP post Covid upto Oct/ Nov.
b) start next season Jan 1st and run through the calendar year, taking a mid-summer break. July / August.  In World Cup/ Euros years its not a problem, we can flex to ease fixture congestion, obviates global warming issues. Snow isn't the issue it used to be.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 30, 2020, 06:14:22 PM
As there is talk about this social distancing now for 6 months plus l, I can't see how this season can be finished as the start of next season is already under threat.
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 31, 2020, 08:50:09 AM
Premier League now discussing May start behind closed doors to honour TV contract.  If they do the EFL will surely try to "piggy back" off them, but will need financial help from the top for security etc.

A calculation from the govt could be that by then some football on the telly at home might help keep people occupied and less likely to start things happening outside.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Adder on March 31, 2020, 09:38:02 AM
Premier League now discussing May start behind closed doors to honour TV contract.  If they do the EFL will surely try to "piggy back" off them, but will need financial help from the top for security etc.

A calculation from the govt could be that by then some football on the telly at home might help keep people occupied and less likely to start things happening outside.
I wonder what they'll do re pay walls in that case. Pubs would still be shut to stop gatherings in pubs to watch games. They also wouldn't want family gatherings or friends gatherings at houses to watch matches. May seems distinctly early given the possible complications.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: hardtobeat on March 31, 2020, 11:31:41 AM
As there is talk about this social distancing now for 6 months plus l, I can't see how this season can be finished as the start of next season is already under threat.
How about cancelling next seasons league programme ? Finish this season , play cup games and possibly run next seasons cup comps depending on time . No transfers so in effect teams have to finish this season with what they have. This should put us back on track to star 2021/2022 season as normal and leave time for Euro and possibly Olympic preparation as well
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on March 31, 2020, 11:44:17 AM
Fine by me, can we scrap the Qatar World Cup too whilst we're at it?
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 31, 2020, 11:48:32 AM
I wonder what they'll do re pay walls in that case. Pubs would still be shut to stop gatherings in pubs to watch games. They also wouldn't want family gatherings or friends gatherings at houses to watch matches. May seems distinctly early given the possible complications.
i think they might put a lot out free, treat it as marketing expenses, charge advertisers more for bigger audiences and try to get some goodwill too.
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Post by: Adder on March 31, 2020, 11:53:47 AM
i think they might put a lot out free, treat it as marketing expenses, charge advertisers more for bigger audiences and try to get some goodwill too.
Though I wonder what proportion of the population has any Sky (or BT) installed at all...50 % at most ? So still a lot of potential/temptation for group gatherings. Certainly no easy solutions in all this.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on March 31, 2020, 02:16:27 PM
I believe season should be finished and next season put back or postponed if dates dictate. Clubs who want season declared nul and void are doing so for their own self interests, success should be rewarded not failure #finishseason19/20
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 31, 2020, 07:19:18 PM
Fine by me, can we scrap the Qatar World Cup too whilst we're at it?
Seconded
Love England but the world cup(esp there) can bugger off
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: caravanc58 on March 31, 2020, 10:07:31 PM
Think this is a decent solution to football problem.

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1026006855?-11200:789
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Post by: tuamigos on April 01, 2020, 09:01:16 AM
Think this is a decent solution to football problem.

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1026006855?-11200:789

Not a bad idea but I would like them to factor in somewhere a solution whereby the vile would be relegated
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Post by: wodenson46 on April 01, 2020, 11:46:22 AM
Been doing some thinking, and at this point I wish to make it clear that I am not a 'football fan' in the widest sense I am an ALBION fan. I prefer the national team to win rather than lose but not overly bothered, and I really do not give a fig for the prem or the top clubs the greed league.
This season has tragically and through no fault of the clubs concerned, been curtailed, but that is the way it is and completing outstanding games does not look to be a viable option. Therefore this season should be deemed over and called off The present league standings of all clubs in regard to relegation and promotion should count as of when the decision was made to cancel all games. Those teams in the relegation places are there because they have less points than those above them and that is the only concrete fact. It MIGHT be that some, in the next nine or ten games MIGHT get enough points to stay up, but this is all conjecture. The same applies to the top places, these teams are where they are because they have gained more points than the others. Any of these teams MIGHT lose enough of their remaining games to drop from their current status, but yet again, without playing it is mere guesswork and conjecture. The season should be finished and each team should get what it has earned not what it MIGHT earn. This way leads to the perfect scenario based purely on existing factual real time knowledge  - The Baggies go up and the vile come down. The rest is irrelevant, except that I can't think of a way to get West Ham and spuds down as well.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: east-stand-nick on April 01, 2020, 11:54:01 AM
I just think it's poor that the leagues and FA have absolutely NO contingency plan for anything like this happening.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 01, 2020, 01:25:57 PM
Think this is a decent solution to football problem.

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1026006855?-11200:789


No it's not, the remaining fixtures must be played.

All clubs & fans, throughout the pyramid have made significant investments (financial & time & effort) in this season, the clubs have to be allowed to see the results of that investment (otherwise, you're rewarding failure).

Not one club has yet made any investment in next season, that's the one that should be sacrificed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 01, 2020, 01:33:19 PM
This is all very simple

19/20 season is dinner
20/21 season is pudding


And you all remember what mom used to say....
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on April 01, 2020, 03:19:46 PM
This is all very simple

19/20 season is dinner
20/21 season is pudding


And you all remember what mom used to say....
Exactly, whenever I asked what was for afters, my mum would say "wait-and-see pudding".  We have to finish this season whenever and then see what can be done about the next.  The Premier League and Sky, players, agents all of them have cash washing around everywhere, they can stump up for security and quarantines and gets these games done behind closed doors as soon as it is reasonably safe.  If they don't football will lose all credibility and they will lose out anyway.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on April 01, 2020, 04:36:41 PM
I just think it's poor that the leagues and FA have absolutely NO contingency plan for anything like this happening.

Spot on. The FA should have rules about what happens in these circumstances. And given that we've had 2 World wars as well as the cold War when the Russians had missiles directed at us as an ally of the USA, there is no excuse for not having  rules with set timescales and scenarios should a season not finish.

As it is anything other than finishing the season leaves them and the premier league open to legal action.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: east-stand-nick on April 01, 2020, 04:45:01 PM
Spot on. The FA should have rules about what happens in these circumstances. And given that we've had 2 World wars as well as the cold War when the Russians had missiles directed at us as an ally of the USA, there is no excuse for not having  rules with set timescales and scenarios should a season not finish.

As it is anything other than finishing the season leaves them and the premier league open to legal action.

Precisely. It could have been weather-related, a war, a virus like we're seeing now. But the fact that absolutely no plan was in place for the season being curtailed was both arrogant and short-sighted. Especially considering how much money depends on the game.

Even if the plan was declaring the season null & void after a certain point, or deciding the leagues by "points per game" - if all clubs had agreed to something then the worries of legal action would have been far less. Instead, we're in a mess because there wasn't even a shred of preparation for any circumstances where the season gets stopped.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on April 01, 2020, 05:59:56 PM
I just think it's poor that the leagues and FA have absolutely NO contingency plan for anything like this happening.
They will have to in the future, something like Duckworth-Lewis
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 01, 2020, 06:01:51 PM
what about the pools panel - anybody remember them predicting results for the pools coupons when there were a few postponements - I'm sure they dreamt up a few anti bankers lol
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 01, 2020, 07:37:06 PM
Precisely. It could have been weather-related, a war, a virus like we're seeing now. But the fact that absolutely no plan was in place for the season being curtailed was both arrogant and short-sighted. Especially considering how much money depends on the game.

Even if the plan was declaring the season null & void after a certain point, or deciding the leagues by "points per game" - if all clubs had agreed to something then the worries of legal action would have been far less. Instead, we're in a mess because there wasn't even a shred of preparation for any circumstances where the season gets stopped.


I assume that the contract between the broadcasters, clubs & players is for the completion of season 2019/20, & a separate contract would be agreed for the following season.
If my assumption is correct, then there is no reason why the remaining matches can't be completed.

The question then arises, what happens to season 2020/21? If it's a shortened season with fewer games then clubs' revenues would be down, as it's likely that broadcasters would pay on a pro rata basis.
If player contracts are time driven (as opposed to game driven), that's where difficulties may arise.

IMO litigation would be between clubs & players not clubs & broadcasters.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on April 01, 2020, 08:03:42 PM
The club are telling staff that they will be furloughing from Monday 6/4/20.

Heard two different scenarios re the season one stating the season will definitely finish because of the sky money consequences and the other that we and Leeds will go up into 22 prem with 5 going down.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 01, 2020, 08:52:34 PM
The club are telling staff that they will be furloughing from Monday 6/4/20.

Heard two different scenarios re the season one stating the season will definitely finish because of the sky money consequences and the other that we and Leeds will go up into 22 prem with 5 going down.

Hope the players make up the balance of the staff wages.

Pretty sure the season will finish, all of the club costings for this season will have been made on the basis of completing the season.

Re: my previous post.

The agreement with the broadcasters & the leagues is until 2022, but I'm not sure if it's a blanket agreement or a price per game until 2022.
If it's a blanket agreement, it's difficult to see how all the fixtures for 2019/20 & 2020/21 can be completed by May 2021, so it's almost inevitable there will be a loss of revenue for the clubs, either this season or next.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on April 01, 2020, 09:05:32 PM
Hope the players make up the balance of the staff wages.

Pretty sure the season will finish, all of the club costings for this season will have been made on the basis of completing the season.

Re: my previous post.

The agreement with the broadcasters & the leagues is until 2022, but I'm not sure if it's a blanket agreement or a price per game until 2022.
If it's a blanket agreement, it's difficult to see how all the fixtures for 2019/20 & 2020/21 can be completed by May 2021, so it's almost inevitable there will be a loss of revenue for the clubs, either this season or next.

A lot is being made of the sky money etc, etc, but I am sure they can do a deal with them to get a season at reduced rates in the next deal which in turn would give all clubs the opportunity of knowing what that reduced figure is and budgeting for it.

It's not like the prem is a two horse race, it's Liverpool's tilte and has been for a long time and also they have shown 3 quarters of the season already and charged their subscribers for it, so I think that is not a massive issue, the issue is denying Liverpool the title.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on April 01, 2020, 10:34:29 PM
what about the pools panel - anybody remember them predicting results for the pools coupons when there were a few postponements - I'm sure they dreamt up a few anti bankers lol
Pools panel, or similar, would be the worst possible solution. Whilst we all try to predict results resulting in much disagreement, imagine some football "experts" delivering their views which would be absolutely binding, with promotion and relegation decided. Fans would never accept their verdicts. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: east-stand-nick on April 02, 2020, 10:15:10 AM
Pools panel, or similar, would be the worst possible solution. Whilst we all try to predict results resulting in much disagreement, imagine some football "experts" delivering their views which would be absolutely binding, with promotion and relegation decided. Fans would never accept their verdicts.

I'd rather the season be binned.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ronnie_allen on April 02, 2020, 11:19:34 AM
My main aim would be to get this season finished.

With the season so far progressed; there is a greater need for it to be completed. And also; I would think there is a reasonable probability that we won't be able to get a full season out of next year; so I would be happier to try to get one season complete rather than null and voiding two in a row.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: chipperclark on April 02, 2020, 12:16:59 PM
 ;D
I have a very "left of field" suggestion  to the following criteria.

 1. We finish this season. It could possibly start say in July?(behind closed doors maybe?) play to the end of August finish the 9 games and playoffs (2 games a week..same stress for every team).

2. Have a 6 week break for transfers/break etc. then start season 2020-2021 in October..with the season spilling into June 2021.

3. No domestic cups played in season 2020-2021.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on April 02, 2020, 12:28:44 PM
;D
I have a very "left of field" suggestion  to the following criteria.

 1. We finish this season. It could possibly start say in July?(behind closed doors maybe?) play to the end of August finish the 9 games and playoffs (2 games a week..same stress for every team).

2. Have a 6 week break for transfers/break etc. then start season 2020-2021 in October..with the season spilling into June 2021.

3. No domestic cups played in season 2020-2021.

and no meaningless international breaks, and definitely no "sponsors tournaments" on far side of the planet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: east-stand-nick on April 02, 2020, 01:20:09 PM
One elephant in the room is the ridiculous number of fixtures in the Champions League/Europa League. UEFA could very easily slim down the tournament to eliminate the tedious group games but that would mean losing money so it would never happen.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on April 02, 2020, 01:44:17 PM
Long article By Matt Slater in the Athletic which summarises the contractual issues.
 
Several leading sports lawyers have raised serious doubts about the implications of extending the season beyond June 30, with one lawyer saying it is simply “not realistic”, while another said the situation would be an “absolute nightmare”.
The crisis caused by the coronavirus pandemic is, of course, bigger than football or any other sport, but that does not mean the professional game is not dealing with significant and unprecedented challenges.
One of the most complicated issues is how to finish the current season in Europe, where many players’ contracts expire on June 30, a hard deadline to end one season and start another that nobody expected would be forced to move.
But that is the predicament facing administrators, clubs, leagues and players as they try to work out how to preserve the integrity of their competitions, as well as satisfy their various broadcast and commercial contracts, assuming their respective governments let them do so.
“If the season is to be extended beyond June 30, clubs are going to want to extend some of their expiring contracts, but they are unlikely to want to hand out new three-year deals, so they are very likely to be short-term deals,” says Nick De Marco QC, a barrister with Blackstone Chambers.
“But this presents a perennial problem for players: if you get injured while playing on a short-term contract, you could find yourself without a job. Now, it makes sense for all parties to negotiate and find a way through this, but it is not required for players to agree to these short-term extensions under English law.”
Dan Lowen, a sports contract specialist at London-based law firm Level, agrees with De Marco.
“Some with expiring contracts may be delighted to be paid by their clubs for a few more weeks or months, but others will refuse to accept any extension as they won’t want to jeopardise a long-term or better contract with a new club,” says Lowen.
A working group set up by world football’s governing body FIFA to look at the regulatory issues posed by the pandemic has recently sent a report to the game’s stakeholders.
In this report, which The Athletic has seen, FIFA says the “three core matters” that must be addressed are expiring contracts, the “appropriate timing” for the next transfer window (currently scheduled to open on July 1) and “frustrated” agreements that can no longer be fulfilled because of the COVID-19 outbreak.
The concept of frustration exists in common law systems, like England’s, and civil law systems, such as Switzerland’s, where FIFA is based. In simple terms, it says contracts can be set aside if an unforeseen event makes it impossible for the contract to be fulfilled.
This is particularly significant now that clubs are unable to provide their coaches, players and non-playing staff with work, and may be struggling to pay them. As a result, clubs have been persuading their employees to take pay cuts or defer wages until life returns to normal, with players at Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Juventus among those who have accepted cuts.
So far, only a handful of teams in England and Scotland have agree to do likewise, although Newcastle United, Norwich City, Bournemouth and Tottenham Hotspur have become the first Premier League clubs to take advantage of a government-backed scheme to furlough their non-playing staff. This means these employees will be paid 80 per cent of their usual salaries, up to a maximum of £2,500 a month, out of the public purse — a controversial move for companies who employ millionaires.
FIFA can only provide general guidance on these matters and its proposal is that “clubs and employees (players and coaches) be encouraged to work together to agree on deferral and/or reduction of salary by a reasonable amount for any period of the stoppage”.
The English Football League, Premier League and Professional Footballers’ Association met on Wednesday in attempt to reach a united position and it is expected that English-based players will agree to defer a proportion of their wages.
That is certainly the hope of global players’ union FIFPro, whose secretary general Jonas Baer-Hoffmann told reporters on Tuesday he hoped the various contractual issues could be resolved “collectively, with the right will on both sides”.
But, presumably as an example of the wrong will, he also highlighted the example of seven-time Slovakian champions MSK Zilina, who became the first European club to start liquidation proceedings after the start of the coronavirus crisis on Monday when 17 of their first-team players refused to accept an 80 per cent pay cut.
This is clearly an extreme example, but it highlights how difficult it can be to find common ground or a way through the crisis.
As Lowen points out, the situation in the England, particularly at several of the Premier League’s top clubs, is further complicated by the fact many player contracts are now “heavily skewed towards incentives” or bonuses.
“In normal times, these contingent payments are seen as a win-win because the clubs recognise that they gain if a player meets these targets,” he says.
“If the season is cancelled, players will not receive these bonuses, some of which they could have reasonably expected to have received. In those circumstances, should they also agree to cut or defer their basic salaries?
“There is often a difficult tension between the regulatory and legal spheres in global sports and this crisis is shining a bright light on that. FIFA is in a tough spot because it has 211 member associations: each one of those may have a slightly different approach to the regulations around contracts and will have different legal frameworks in which those contracts exist.”
A good example of this is how an English court might interpret a contract expiring on June 30 versus a court elsewhere in Europe, and it is based on the concept of “contractual intention”.
“In England, it is based on what an objective bystander would reasonably consider the intention of the contract to be,” explains De Marco.
“In this case, the fact the contracts say June 30, it would be reasonable to assume that is what was intended. But under civil law, you look more at the subjective interpretation of intention. So, for example, if you had evidence to suggest the parties to the contract actually meant ‘until the end of the season’, you could more easily extend it.”
Some experts have suggested football needs to look again at its player contracts, as they do not contain “force majeure” clauses that guard against unforeseen circumstances.
“They are common in other sports contracts,” says Dan Chapman, head of the sports and employment teams at Leathes Prior, a law firm in East Anglia.
“For example, the last race of the season in Formula One is scheduled for Abu Dhabi but the sport has had to cancel and reschedule races before. This is reflected in the drivers’ contracts, which have more flexibility.
“Football contracts, on the other hand, really aren’t very sophisticated and I wonder if this is something we should look at after the crisis. If you’re (Birmingham City’s) Jude Bellingham, just to pick one example, are you really going to want to play a few more games in the Championship this summer if you already have a move to Borussia Dortmund or Manchester United lined up?
“I don’t think extending the season for months is realistic or possible from a legal point of view. I can’t see players agreeing to short-term extensions if they know they’re going to be cramming games in before facing a quick turnaround for another long season. The risk of injury will only be increased.”
De Marco, however, is not so convinced that football contracts can or will be changed as a result of the crisis.
“Football contracts are not like most employment contracts for good reason,” he says. “First, they are the product of years of collective bargaining between the clubs, players’ unions and the governing bodies, so they cannot be altered without consultation.
“Second, they are fixed-term contracts, so players cannot just be made redundant or dismissed on notice because there is no work for them. And there are no force majeure clauses in them because of the highly specific nature of the industry.
“A Liverpool player cannot just hand in his notice and join Arsenal in the same way most of us can move to new companies. This is because of the integrity and team stability issues this would pose for football competitions, but it is a fundamental restraint of trade. Therefore it is only fair that players get something in return.
“Force majeure clauses might seem reasonable to some but most players only get two or three good contracts in their lifetime: is it fair that those contracts could be ripped up for something that is completely beyond their control?”
Lowen believes one possible way out of the legal minefield is to relax FIFA’s ban on pre-contract agreements between clubs in the same country. Under the current rules, players can sign pre-contracts with clubs abroad, as Aaron Ramsey did when he left Arsenal for Juve.
“One way of potentially allaying players’ concerns would be for national associations to allow players to do this now for moves within national borders,” says Lowen.
“This could, however, lead to potential issues with the integrity of the competition, as players could face their future employers in the final matches of the season. But signing a pre-contract would in theory give players a degree of protection against the risks and impact of a bad injury.”
Daniel Geey, a sports lawyer at Sheridans, raises another potential headache for clubs and players. “What happens if a player is out of contract on July 1 but cannot be employed or registered by another club until the new season starts because the transfer window has moved? That’s a restraint of trade,” says Geey.
“And then there will be other players who will only sign extended contracts if they are rewarded for the added risk of injury. That is why I can imagine some clubs would simply decide to play on with a smaller squad.
“My gut feeling is the clubs will have enough players to finish the season without dishing out lots of short-term deals, although this will clearly lead to some questions about the integrity of the competition. Watford are a good potential example as Heurelho Gomes and Ben Foster are out of contract. That is a good prisoner’s dilemma for them as they wonder if they should re-sign or not.”
Another lawyer, who wished to remain anonymous, said all these issues amounted to the “absolute nightmare” mentioned above and it is why he believes the game will reach a “tipping point” in the coming weeks and realise the season cannot be completed.
He said he thought the leaders in each league would be awarded the respective titles, the current Premier League table would decide the European places, the top two in the Championship, League One and League Two would be promoted and there would be no relegation. The divisions would then be readjusted over the coming seasons.
“Somebody will try to sue the leagues but I think it will be a case of the path of least resistance and I’m sure a settlement can be reached with the broadcasters,” he said.


I don't think it is the right way to proceed but I suspect the tipping point argument will grow over the coming weeks
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on April 02, 2020, 01:52:59 PM
The Belgium league has ended and the standings upto the suspension have been declared final. Not relevant other than it could be argued it wasn't unusual or unfair should we do the same over here.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 02, 2020, 01:54:44 PM
One elephant in the room is the ridiculous number of fixtures in the Champions League/Europa League. UEFA could very easily slim down the tournament to eliminate the tedious group games but that would mean losing money so it would never happen.

Go back to the European Cup where only the champions play each other and have it as a straight unseeded knock out tournament again.
Get rid of the Europa league and bring back the Cup Winners Cup as well as the Uefa Cup.

I know it's never going to happen but I can dream can't I?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: wbarenno on April 02, 2020, 02:41:50 PM
The Belgium league has ended and the standings upto the suspension have been declared final. Not relevant other than it could be argued it wasn't unusual or unfair should we do the same over here.

Think there was only one game left to play in the Belgium league so it’s a lot easier to do that
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: lewisant on April 02, 2020, 05:30:42 PM
;D
I have a very "left of field" suggestion  to the following criteria.

 1. We finish this season. It could possibly start say in July?(behind closed doors maybe?) play to the end of August finish the 9 games and playoffs (2 games a week..same stress for every team).

2. Have a 6 week break for transfers/break etc. then start season 2020-2021 in October..with the season spilling into June 2021.

3. No domestic cups played in season 2020-2021.

I'd say no play-offs - top 3 to go up.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on April 02, 2020, 05:35:12 PM
I'd say no play-offs - top 3 to go up.
That is a good way to save a fortnight
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: lewisant on April 02, 2020, 10:11:04 PM
That is a good way to save a fortnight

Also heightens our chances of promotion!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 02, 2020, 10:32:14 PM
If they finish this season it would have to be 'as intended' imo.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 03, 2020, 12:36:26 PM
I'd say no play-offs - top 3 to go up.

Would you say that if we were in a playoff spot though?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on April 03, 2020, 04:00:28 PM
I would be happy if the efl stay we keep our final positions and the season is over and the premier league can do what it wants in relation to their tv commitments.

That will mean a lot of games in the 3 efl divisions won't have to be played in the circumstances and that is a lot more than the premier league games.

I think we are assuming that if the Premier league finishes so do we.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BoingFlyer on April 03, 2020, 06:14:18 PM
https://www.efl.com/news/2020/april/efl-statement-coronavirus-update/

suspended indefinatly, that includes next season.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggies on April 03, 2020, 09:07:27 PM
The new season will struggle to start in September this year.

The pragmatic solution, and the one I think UEFA will go with, is to lose a season in the long term and have two summer seasons leading up to Qatar  Worps Cup 2022.

That means next season starts in January or February,  and we finish this season at some point in the autumn.

We might not get promotion due to our players losing form but it's the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on April 04, 2020, 05:12:27 AM
The new season will struggle to start in September this year.

The pragmatic solution, and the one I think UEFA will go with, is to lose a season in the long term and have two summer seasons leading up to Qatar  Worps Cup 2022.

That means next season starts in January or February,  and we finish this season at some point in the autumn.

We might not get promotion due to our players losing form but it's the right thing to do.

This is logical. Globally despite the growth in the game outside Europe it is still the major European Leagues that have the TV audience and pay the bulk of the players wages and getting that show back on the road is the key to football recovering. It is plain that something has to go from the calendar and this summers Euros seems to be easiest target. Personally I'd axe the Qatar World cup but that is largely because I hate everything to do with the wretched tournament.

In terms of time scales from now on the players will need a month of pre-season type work prior to getting back to competitive football. The authorities will be very wary about large scale public gatherings until pretty much everything else has normalised and that is a long way off.

The thorny issue of players contracts does need to be addressed as most European contracts expire 30th June but UEFA should be able to negotiate a collective agreement which extends the contract arrangements across the board to the end of the season. In principle this is easy but as ever the devil is in the detail and it is very difficult to do without concrete start and finish dates but hopefully by May the European virus clusters might have peaked and some clarity on timescales will emerge.   
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: caravanc58 on April 04, 2020, 09:07:23 AM
Uefa has lifted the ban on showing games starting at 15:00 on a Saturday live on TV in England and Scotland.

The move comes after requests from the Football Association and the Scottish Football Association amid the ongoing coronavirus pandemic.

It is seen as the first move towards restarting some domestic competitions in the UK behind closed doors.

The blackout has long been in place during the English and Scottish season to protect attendances.

In a statement, Uefa said: "Uefa has lifted the 'blocked hours' protection granted to England and Scotland for the remainder of the 2019-20 season following requests from the relevant national associations as a result of measures taken in relation to the Covid-19 pandemic."

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on April 05, 2020, 09:30:30 AM
I cannot see any spectator sports starting again until 2021.

The government is already hinting that this lockdown will be extended. I think it will be extended until end of May then even further. The gov't brought in measures to help the self employed by 1st June. They are not going to put all the effort to bring that in and then the country gets back to normal.

Then you will eventually get small adjustments of normality happening like other shops and stores reopening. But one thing that will stick with us because the gov't have made people paranoid about it is the social distancing.

The worst case of non social distancing is sporting events, concerts and pubs.  So things like these will be the last thing to come back to us.  In my opinion I think this will be 2021.

So the most likely thing is that the season will finish behind closed doors for all competitions.  Well at least we get a partial refund on our season tickets !!


Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 05, 2020, 03:03:07 PM
The worst case of non social distancing is sporting events, concerts and pubs.  So things like these will be the last thing to come back to us.  In my opinion I think this will be 2021.

I think you're right - and while I don't want to sound selfish, that's hit me really hard as I make the bulk of my income as a musician. It's bleak all round.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Political Cake on April 05, 2020, 03:07:29 PM
Payment discussion:

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/april/a-statement-from-chief-executive-mark-jenkins/

Albion Chief Executive Mark Jenkins has issued an update for supporters about the Club’s position amid the continuing Coronavirus pandemic.

Mark’s comments follow the latest statements from the Premier League, EFL and PFA in the wake of the global spread of Covid-19.

The virus has brought football to a standstill with no immediate sign of a return but Mark confirms that Albion are so far withstanding the impact this has brought to the Club.

But he also acknowledges that serious challenges will have to be tackled if the freeze on the Club’s daily activities remains over an indefinite period.

Mark writes: “I thought it appropriate that I take this opportunity to bring our supporters up to date with how the Club is faring at this extremely difficult time for everyone.

“Obviously, the priority for us all is the health and welfare of our loved ones and beyond that, giving all the support we can to the front-line staff who are leading the fight against Covid 19.

“But it is my core task now to do all I can to steer the Club safely through challenges we have never faced before and that responsibility will be at the heart of every decision taken in the difficult days which remain ahead.

“On Friday both the EPL and EFL agreed to postpone its fixtures indefinitely, which will test all football clubs throughout the country. At the moment, the Club is financially stable and remains so for the foreseeable future.

“But everybody is fully aware these are very uncertain times in which we simply cannot forecast what the future holds. Until we regain a level of certainty, we cannot be sure if planned income will actually be received or if we will be forced to utilise cash the Club already holds to refund existing commitments.

“What we do know for fact is that our operations are almost completely closed down and we are receiving virtually no income. Almost all of the Club’s usual costs still need to be paid, the majority of which are wages whether this be admin staff, maintenance teams, management or, of course, the first-team players.

“With that in mind, I think it is only correct that for the duration of this lockdown I take a 100 per cent cut in my salary and other members of the senior management team have also offered to take significant reductions in their remuneration.

“Like many other clubs, we have considered using a Furlough approach with non-playing staff who are now unable to work owing to the lock-down and we have made plans for this eventuality.

“At present we have not been required to sanction this action, but if the lockdown continues and football remains ‘on-hold’ then this decision may have to be changed. What we will pledge is to ensure none of the staff effected suffer a reduction in pay; the Club will make up the 20 per cent shortfall not covered by the Government’s Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme.

“I should perhaps add at this point that nothing underlines the spirit of our staff, or the commitment they have for Albion, than to tell you that several have volunteered to take pay cuts in order they help the Club navigate a way through these difficulties. It says everything about the core values which run through our staff for which I and all the senior management team are both mindful and appreciative.

“Clearly there has been a lot of media attention on player wages and the comments of the PFA. It is difficult to forecast our future position because of the various ways the Club receives its income. But if we continue to be unable to play football in any format, we will discuss this further with the players who I am confident will want to play their part.

“Making any long-term plans is now almost impossible with the entire focus of the management team in guiding the Club through this difficult time.

“What we are determined to do is to support our wonderful friends in the emergency services and in particular the NHS who continue to help us all through this crisis. The Club’s Foundation is leading our efforts within the Community, assisting those most in need and exploring ways in which West Bromwich Albion can provide support.

“We are in a crisis which peace-time football has never had to face before and there is no way of knowing precisely what we will have to tackle further along the road. All I can promise is that everything we do in the weeks to come will be designed to ensure our club is in as strong a position as it has been possible to secure when football resumes.”
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Post by: gazberg on April 05, 2020, 03:24:56 PM
Fair play to the board for not taking a salary whilst this is going on.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 05, 2020, 03:57:00 PM
I'm impressed to be fair.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 05, 2020, 04:03:57 PM
I'm impressed to be fair.
The fact that the senior management team are taking reductions is good....if we as a club furlough anybody...it’s the last time I go to the hawthorns.
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Post by: leeiswba on April 05, 2020, 04:17:36 PM
The fact that the senior management team are taking reductions is good....if we as a club furlough anybody...it’s the last time I go to the hawthorns.

It looks like that we will hopefully be doing everything possible not to do it
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 05, 2020, 04:22:52 PM
A great statement - shows how professional we are.
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Post by: silver surfer on April 05, 2020, 04:23:32 PM
The fact that the senior management team are taking reductions is good....if we as a club furlough anybody...it’s the last time I go to the hawthorns.
It’s a commendable gesture to stop drawing a salary.
If they do furlough then the club make up the 20% shortfall for staff.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 05, 2020, 04:30:26 PM
I love our club again. So much.

On a possibly shallow point - but a point nonetheless - I put a fiver down at 10-1 for us to win the league. If the 2019-20 season ends in 21, will that void the bet?
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Post by: sayer3 on April 05, 2020, 04:35:45 PM
I love our club again. So much.

On a possibly shallow point - but a point nonetheless - I put a fiver down at 10-1 for us to win the league. If the 2019-20 season ends in 21, will that void the bet?

No it won’t be void as it will still be the 19/20 season
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Post by: Standaman on April 05, 2020, 04:38:41 PM
The fact that the senior management team are taking reductions is good....if we as a club furlough anybody...it’s the last time I go to the hawthorns.

Why? I can't see why football clubs shouldn't use a scheme that is open to every company from the smallest to the largest.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 05, 2020, 04:50:05 PM
Why? I can't see why football clubs shouldn't use a scheme that is open to every company from the smallest to the largest.
The guys in the ticket office and club shop etc....could and should be covered 100% by a club that can pay a footballer 40k PER WEEK.
Who do you think is paying for the furloughed people of the UK ?...it’ll be tax increases and an extension of pensionable age....
Used correctly it is a great scheme but football clubs and multi million pound profit making companies should do the decent thing and self finance .

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Post by: Albionic on April 05, 2020, 05:03:41 PM
The guys in the ticket office and club shop etc....could and should be covered 100% by a club that can pay a footballer 40k PER WEEK.
Who do you think is paying for the furloughed people of the UK ?...it’ll be tax increases and an extension of pensionable age....
Used correctly it is a great scheme but football clubs and multi million pound profit making companies should do the decent thing and self finance .
Totally agree with the last paragraph
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 05, 2020, 05:19:54 PM
Totally agree with the last paragraph
but we know that most clubs in this country operate at a loss at the best of times... so why are they exempt?
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Post by: alex1 on April 05, 2020, 05:26:31 PM
I'm behind the line Jenkins and senior management are taking. If he can get by not taking a salary, well done him. We need people who have the club's best interests at heart. This is not an easy situation with easy answers. Given the size of our club, and we are not (yet) in the Prem league, we are still potentially very vulnerable if the shutdown carries on for a long time.
(BTW I'm fully behind the measures the Government is taking). 
Its clubs like ours where it could go pear-shaped. I'm not so bothered about the Man Uniteds, Man City's, Arsenals. They chuck money about in normal times, so its easy for them to cut back.
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Post by: Blowee on April 05, 2020, 05:31:38 PM
Why? I can't see why football clubs shouldn't use a scheme that is open to every company from the smallest to the largest.
Would it be OK for the likes of Liverpool and Spurs to furlough their playing staff?
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 05, 2020, 05:36:04 PM
Would it be OK for the likes of Liverpool and Spurs to furlough their playing staff?
sure, currently they serve no purpose to the club and should be taken off the books to minimise costs while having an insurance that it's not a redundancy and will return to work after that time period. But we don't know what their contractual arrangement is and whether they even could?
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Post by: Blowee on April 05, 2020, 05:41:00 PM
sure, currently they serve no purpose to the club and should be taken off the books to minimise costs while having an insurance that it's not a redundancy and will return to work after that time period. But we don't know what their contractual arrangement is and whether they even could?
If clubs really wanted to bring in some cash they could do this. The players would receive £2,500 a month from the government and clubs could choose whether they make up the rest. I guess they wouldn't be allowed to train then though as they are temporarily redundant?
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Post by: alex1 on April 05, 2020, 05:44:19 PM
Would it be OK for the likes of Liverpool and Spurs to furlough their playing staff?
The Government should use alot tougher criteria for clubs like Liverpool and Spurs. It should only be used where there is a real threat of clubs going into insolvency. Can't believe that's the case for these. Government should assess what funds they have ready to splash in the transfer market and how much they are paying their players, before handing money out of general taxation.
For clubs the size of ours and smaller, we are important assets and focal points in the local community, so it is important that they stay afloat. 
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 05, 2020, 05:49:54 PM
And then there is this approach, albeit at a higher level than us.

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52168692

We may be jumping the gun somewhat, as its still possible to furlough employees on 80% and then top up to 100%. I haven't read anything about the clubs intentions one way or the other, so I will hold judgement until I do.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 05, 2020, 06:58:31 PM
Jenkins says he won't taking a salary during the pandemic and says not furloughing yet, which is different to the foundation who have been from tomorrow and cannot use their work laptops or computers until further notice.
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Post by: Albionic on April 05, 2020, 07:31:54 PM
but we know that most clubs in this country operate at a loss at the best of times... so why are they exempt?
The premiership and championship clubs may operate at a loss, but the billionaires who own them are doing very nicely and do not NEED to take tax payers monies,. what they can do, is, distribute the money they have (personal and business) more evenly and leave the tax payers money to support those in crisis.
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Post by: Political Cake on April 05, 2020, 07:48:45 PM
I suspect it's a public encouragement to players (or even the owner)... set the example and all that.
"Us board members and directors generally get little praise and goodwill in any case, so if we can set a positive stance out, imagine how much you will get.. even for embracing less of a cut than us?"

Therefore I think it's a relatively brave move, and at very least buys the club's management a bit more time for the player's (and union) stances to be worked out before financial action needs to be taken.

Mind you, I wouldn't rely on any club's wealthy owner to do the right thing, ever.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 05, 2020, 08:00:22 PM
The guys in the ticket office and club shop etc....could and should be covered 100% by a club that can pay a footballer 40k PER WEEK.
Who do you think is paying for the furloughed people of the UK ?...it’ll be tax increases and an extension of pensionable age....
Used correctly it is a great scheme but football clubs and multi million pound profit making companies should do the decent thing and self finance .

Except they can only page huge salaries to players using money from broadcasters.
It's alleged that broadcasters could withdraw between £750 & £1100 million from football.
For me the buck stops at the broadcasters.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 05, 2020, 09:04:18 PM
Except they can only page huge salaries to players using money from broadcasters.
It's alleged that broadcasters could withdraw between £750 & £1100 million from football.
For me the buck stops at the broadcasters.

Quite simply the greed needs to stop right now and football needs a reality check. This game has its roots in working class people but it is totally divorced from that now. If this doesn't address that dichotomy....

Broadcasters, show some balls!!!
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 05, 2020, 10:32:00 PM
Except they can only page huge salaries to players using money from broadcasters.
It's alleged that broadcasters could withdraw between £750 & £1100 million from football.
For me the buck stops at the broadcasters.
Our club needs to do the right thing by our clubs employees
Jenkins, bilic, HRK,brunt,Austin will all be on more than 10k a week....just those five could drop one months salary and cover the support teams wages for months on end...then the people that can only just about afford their season tickets...won’t be taxed to the point they have to stop renewing .
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Post by: BalisPen on April 05, 2020, 11:00:59 PM
Quite simply the greed needs to stop right now and football needs a reality check. This game has its roots in working class people but it is totally divorced from that now. If this doesn't address that dichotomy....

Broadcasters, show some balls!!!

And it's just a football problem?

Look at the panic buyers recently who then just threw the stuff away. We live in a me, me, me greedy, consumer society obsessed with celebrities.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 06, 2020, 12:00:41 AM
And it's just a football problem?

Look at the panic buyers recently who then just threw the stuff away. We live in a me, me, me greedy, consumer society obsessed with celebrities.
You ain’t wrong
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 06, 2020, 12:20:25 AM
And it's just a football problem?

Look at the panic buyers recently who then just threw the stuff away. We live in a me, me, me greedy, consumer society obsessed with celebrities.
Yup.
I am classified as "vulnerable". Waitrose can't even give me a time on the 8 th July.
I shall have to take a risk and go out to the shops.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 06, 2020, 09:29:22 AM
And it's just a football problem?

Look at the panic buyers recently who then just threw the stuff away. We live in a me, me, me greedy, consumer society obsessed with celebrities.

Absolutely. I've felt such sadness at how people have behaved.

We look after my 91 year old mum so it's really disheartening when you see (stopped now thankfully) three people from one family with a big trolley each in supermarkets.

We've seen how selfish and tw@77y people can be in the run up to Christmas but I've never been more disillusioned about society than I am right now.
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Post by: BigFrank20 on April 06, 2020, 10:53:53 AM
Baggie Adrian Goldberg's podcast in discussion with Chris L about the Albion and CV - 19;

 The Liquidator - Baggies 1 Covid 0

ttps://www.buzzsprout.com/987004/3253888-baggies-1-covid-0?play=true

An enjoyable listen and  new factoid for me, Albion v Forest friendly during the big freeze season break played at Witney was Trevor Francis' first appearance for Forest!
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Post by: kc56wba on April 06, 2020, 11:10:57 AM
Jenkins statement has made me so proud of our club.
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Post by: don1thedon on April 06, 2020, 11:23:22 AM
Jenkins statement has made me so proud of our club.
Agreed, great example to set.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 06, 2020, 12:37:57 PM
Agreed, great example to set.
Exactly what I would hope for from the club.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on April 06, 2020, 02:52:20 PM
FIFA reportedly extending the 19/20 season indefinitely with when and how the season left to individual FA's and leagues.
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Post by: Albionic on April 06, 2020, 09:02:14 PM
FIFA reportedly extending the 19/20 season indefinitely with when and how the season left to individual FA's and leagues.

How can that work ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: hardtobeat on April 06, 2020, 09:09:09 PM
How can that work ?
Means there'll be no 2020/2021 season
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Post by: caravanc58 on April 06, 2020, 09:52:00 PM
Contracts that ended on 30th June have been extended plus the transfer window has been moved.

The summer transfer window will be moved and contracts ending on 30 June will be extended for a short period under proposals agreed by football's major stakeholders.

BBC Sport understands talks initiated by world governing body Fifa and including confederations, federations, clubs, players and leagues have reached agreement over a number of issues arising out of the Covid-19 pandemic.

All parties now accept that completing the 2019-20 season by 30 June, as initially hoped, will not happen.

Aleksander Ceferin, president of European governing body Uefa, has spoken of the campaign being concluded in August, but with domestic leagues and cups, plus European competitions to fit in, there is no guarantee of that given football across the continent remains suspended.

As the crisis is global, agreement has been reached that contracts due to expire on dates before the expected end of this season, do so when it actually ends instead, with new deals beginning before the 2020-21 campaign eventually begins.

New dates for the transfer window - which had been moved back to 1 September in England - will be sanctioned by Fifa providing they fall between the two seasons, with the organisation pledging to try to harmonise the dates as much as possible so clubs and leagues are not unfairly disrupted.

Fifa has also urged clubs to protect jobs if at all possible, including pay cuts and deferrals, and the use of government schemes.

If asked to settle disputes, Fifa will, among other things, assess whether there has been a genuine attempt to find a resolution, what the economic status of the club concerned is, the net income of the players and whether the players have been treated fairly.

While it is accepted this advice is for guidance only and could be challenged legally, all parties hope it will be accepted in the spirit the contracts were agreed in the first place.
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Post by: wbarenno on April 06, 2020, 10:40:25 PM
This is what I’d do , forget about playing behind closed doors , bring the season back infront of full houses . Completely right off the 2020/21 season

Extend contracts and loans to the end of the 19/20 season whenever that maybe

Restart the season when it’s safe to do so infront of crowds ,  for example that’s September/ October

9 games left , play a game every weekend and carry on playing the cup competitions in between. Be able to drag the season out to roughly 3 months then . End the season around xmas time . Completely scrap European competitions as that going to be virtually impossible to play unless they finished it behind closed doors

Take a break

Bring the euros forward to February. Drag the schedule out abit don’t have it so hectic . A 2 -3 months tournament ending roughly around April time

Take a break

Bring the 21/22 season forward abit , start that season in July. Drag the season out abit to end in May 22

Break and start the 22-23 season on time in August as normal . Schedule back to normal
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 07, 2020, 02:37:28 PM
Interesting! Just got to get everyone to agree to it.  :D
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 07, 2020, 03:55:55 PM
This is what I’d do , forget about playing behind closed doors , bring the season back infront of full houses . Completely right off the 2020/21 season

Extend contracts and loans to the end of the 19/20 season whenever that maybe

Restart the season when it’s safe to do so infront of crowds ,  for example that’s September/ October

9 games left , play a game every weekend and carry on playing the cup competitions in between. Be able to drag the season out to roughly 3 months then . End the season around xmas time . Completely scrap European competitions as that going to be virtually impossible to play unless they finished it behind closed doors

Take a break

Bring the euros forward to February. Drag the schedule out abit don’t have it so hectic . A 2 -3 months tournament ending roughly around April time

Take a break

Bring the 21/22 season forward abit , start that season in July. Drag the season out abit to end in May 22

Break and start the 22-23 season on time in August as normal . Schedule back to normal
Best suggestion I have seen yet. Nice one
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Post by: seteefeet on April 07, 2020, 03:56:08 PM
Give us promotion, relegate Villa and abandon Eufa cup. Simple. ;)
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Post by: BalisPen on April 07, 2020, 04:06:32 PM
Nobody is cancelling next season as too much tv money will be lost in their eyes.

We need a month to finish the games with games on  Saturdays and Wednesdays, then the European games can be decided however they want in a mini tournament or whatever at the end.

The Germans are already training and I think we will be training at the beginning of May, with intention to restart the season in June whether it be behind closed doors or not.

It's only my opinion but it based on the powers that be saying our apex in cases will be over Easter and that we will be doing 100,000 tests per day by the end of April.

Testing is how we get out of this lockdown, as we have to identify those who have it and isolate them.

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Post by: baggiejohn on April 07, 2020, 07:17:22 PM
I'm not sure how testing to check whether or not people have the virus is helpful, all it does is to allow people who are self isolating to return to work if they don't
In any event testing the UK population (circa 70 million) at 100,000 per day would take 2 years.

Assuming that recovering from covid19 gives people an immunity, testing for antibodies would be more effective.

If covid19 follows the pattern of other coronaviruses, it's likely that we'll get a lull in cases over the summer months & I suspect the football authorities, see that as a window to complete the season.

Also, that window would allow further research to be completed, so when the second wave does come, in late Autumn, the pandemic will be easier to manage


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Post by: johnny Cash on April 09, 2020, 12:58:20 PM
The EFL has said it needs 56 days to complete the season and that games will likely return behind closed doors.

Unfortunately that doesn't mean we have football anytime soon, as clubs have been told not to return to training until May 16th at the earliest. They'll need a month pre-season too.

On that basis, the current season isnt likely to end until the end of August. Play off Final August Bank Holiday weekend maybe?

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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 09, 2020, 01:49:18 PM
The refunds are going to be interesting
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Post by: BalisPen on April 09, 2020, 02:12:41 PM
The refunds are going to be interesting

They should just reduce the price of season tickets by the amount of 5 games for those renewing and for those not  they can process a refund,  that way it will save a lot of messing about refunding everyone.

On the point of needing 56 days, I really cannot see why not 31 days with games every Saturday and Wednesday for every team so the same for everyone, then cup games and play off games played at the end. I think the 56 days must include the play offs.

No normal seasons I have never understood the big gap between the play off semis and finals just to utilise a may bank holiday.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tylerm on April 09, 2020, 06:48:46 PM
The EFL has said it needs 56 days to complete the season and that games will likely return behind closed doors.

Unfortunately that doesn't mean we have football anytime soon, as clubs have been told not to return to training until May 16th at the earliest. They'll need a month pre-season too.

On that basis, the current season isnt likely to end until the end of August. Play off Final August Bank Holiday weekend maybe?

There won’t be a months pre season. Players will be expected to play as soon as possible.
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Post by: seteefeet on April 09, 2020, 07:25:51 PM
There won’t be a months pre season. Players will be expected to play as soon as possible.
Yes, players still actively training so will step up maybe a week or two before any resumption.
Very hopeful now that the season will be completed.
More importantly, think we are very close to breaking this horrible virus, provided people don't get silly and complacent.
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Post by: johnny Cash on April 09, 2020, 09:18:05 PM
Yes, players still actively training so will step up maybe a week or two before any resumption.
Very hopeful now that the season will be completed.
More importantly, think we are very close to breaking this horrible virus, provided people don't get silly and complacent.

The players will still be actively training in the same way they actively train during the summer. That might step up a notch before any return to group training but it won’t be the same, proper ball work for instance isn’t possible.

I think they’ll have 4 weeks and a couple of friendlies. The managers, PFA and players will demand it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on April 09, 2020, 10:38:11 PM
The players will still be actively training in the same way they actively train during the summer. That might step up a notch before any return to group training but it won’t be the same, proper ball work for instance isn’t possible.

I think they’ll have 4 weeks and a couple of friendlies. The managers, PFA and players will demand it.
Don't even think there'll be friendlies
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Adder on April 09, 2020, 10:52:56 PM
The pace that the game is played at these days, a certain period of intense training with double/triple sessions will be needed - the type of training you can't replicate individually at home, it's the way of the world now especially under the likes of Klopp. I'd guess 4 weeks training which includes a friendly or two, obviously behind closed doors.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 09, 2020, 11:04:04 PM
I don't think physical fitness will be the problem.

The players are used to playing in front of a crowd, so the atmosphere will be alien, added to that, we, as fans generally have an indifferent attitude to things at the moment, I'm pretty sure the players have a similar attitude.

Think SB will really earn his corn in getting the squad motivated to finish the season on a high.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on April 09, 2020, 11:30:05 PM
Would it be possible to have recorded our home crowd noise and play it throughout the match in some way? Even if its playing in front of an empty stadium?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: adamw1109 on April 10, 2020, 09:24:29 AM
The players will still be actively training in the same way they actively train during the summer. That might step up a notch before any return to group training but it won’t be the same, proper ball work for instance isn’t possible.

I think they’ll have 4 weeks and a couple of friendlies. The managers, PFA and players will demand it.

Why would they demand that? The problems is how many games are left... you think anyone will a brain cell would demand friendlies? Also why do they need 4 weeks? The plays all should be on training programmes so will only need a couple of weeks maximum with the squad to train for their first game back.

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: adamw1109 on April 10, 2020, 09:25:16 AM
Would it be possible to have recorded our home crowd noise and play it throughout the match in some way? Even if its playing in front of an empty stadium?

Think you’ve been in lockdown too long mate  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on April 10, 2020, 09:44:10 AM
It does look like they are planning a June/July finish, I think they will put a fair few games on the box free at red button quality - just the two or three fixed camera positions they seem to have at most grounds now, remote commentators etc.  The government will probably calculate that getting some footy on the box will keep the plebs from getting too restless if there's still a partial lockdown then.

With so few games left, if any club gets the virus running through their squad, I think they will just say tough.  Likewise with injuries from not being properly prepared/fit.  They will just want to get it up and running, if they can they will finish it by hook or by crook.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: johnny Cash on April 10, 2020, 09:53:46 AM
Why would they demand that? The problems is how many games are left... you think anyone will a brain cell would demand friendlies? Also why do they need 4 weeks? The plays all should be on training programmes so will only need a couple of weeks maximum with the squad to train for their first game back.

To protect their players from injury? Going from somewhat apathetic training at home to high intensity sport after 2 months off is a recipe for injury. Why do you think they have pre-season any year?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tylerm on April 10, 2020, 09:55:38 AM
I’ve seen somewhere players have now been told to get any holidays(can’t go anywhere!) in now as there won’t be a break between ending this season and starting next. Sorry but can’t find where I read it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 10, 2020, 10:41:05 AM
There’s a saying “it’s 11 vs 11”
If they all have a week pre season...it’s fair, if they all have 4 weeks pre season it’s fair.
If Brentford turn up ultra fit because their players kept at it whilst on lockdown and ours turn up 2 stone overweight, then we have to accept that ours didn’t keep themselves sharp..

Someone laughed about the idea of playing fan noise, I get the sentiment, but I don’t think you can underplay the difference it makes, having played in front of no-one and scored and played in front of about a hundred and scored...I can only guess of the multiplication of feeling doing it in front of a noisy 20k..

There is always a positive to everything....maybe without the atmosphere sky/clubs will realise that fans at the ground are a necessity rather than a commodity .....most top two tier clubs don’t need (or depend on) the gate revenue .....maybe we realign the costs and send 15% down the chain to clubs that are training the next Vardy,Phillips,horsefield ?

Stay safe all
Can’t wait for the next
Weeeeeeeeeeeve got Kanuuuuuuuuu
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on April 10, 2020, 10:44:56 AM
Hopefully they can find a way to make the home games available to stream for season ticket holders and pay to view for casuals.

If they can't and the season gets played behind closed doors i won't be asking for a refund for my 5 remaining home games or whatever it is.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: skyclad99 on April 10, 2020, 11:57:24 AM
Would it be possible to have recorded our home crowd noise and play it throughout the match in some way? Even if its playing in front of an empty stadium?

If we used a recording from the Pulis era you still wouldn't hear anything.......
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: kc56wba on April 10, 2020, 12:13:13 PM
Hopefully they can find a way to make the home games available to stream for season ticket holders and pay to view for casuals.

If they can't and the season gets played behind closed doors i won't be asking for a refund for my 5 remaining home games or whatever it is.

Yes it is 5 league games and I also wont be asking for any kind of refund. The club is going to need every penny it can get it's hand on. If fans can afford it,  not asking for a refund would be a great help financially to the club.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tylerm on April 10, 2020, 01:18:42 PM
Yes it is 5 league games and I also wont be asking for any kind of refund. The club is going to need every penny it can get it's hand on. If fans can afford it,  not asking for a refund would be a great help financially to the club.

Yet many will ask for a refund KC. And then have a go at the chairman for not putting his own money into the club. I agree with you.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on April 10, 2020, 01:48:36 PM
Hopefully they can find a way to make the home games available to stream for season ticket holders and ....... casuals........

.......with front room pyro' as an optional extra  8) .
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 10, 2020, 02:40:18 PM
Yet many will ask for a refund KC. And then have a go at the chairman for not putting his own money into the club. I agree with you.
While I will not ask for any refund from my Home or Away season tickets, I will be seeking a refund of monies already paid for Brentford and Sheffield Wed tickets, and coach travel. I do hope that this does not offend anyone.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: adamw1109 on April 10, 2020, 02:44:28 PM
To protect their players from injury? Going from somewhat apathetic training at home to high intensity sport after 2 months off is a recipe for injury. Why do you think they have pre-season any year?

Although its darren bent he made a good point on talksport when the season got stopped at first when people were saying they needed a month or two to get back ready and he said all the pre-season ever does for a player is get their fitness levels up, it doesn't do alot for match day... If the players have stuck to given training programmes, they should cope with like I said, a week or 2 maximum with the squad preparing for their first game.... your post is like saying whats the point in pre-season and friendlies then jumping straight into a competitive game... it makes no sense.

Bare in mind we are past the half way mark of the season, when the season got stopped players were giving training programmes apparently so there should be no issue at all with their fitness levels. You don't just get unfit within a couple of months unless you've gone off the rails of some sort.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on April 10, 2020, 03:33:02 PM
.......with front room pyro' as an optional extra  8) .


Strap a couple of sparklers to each side of the TV and we are away!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 10, 2020, 04:42:53 PM

Strap a couple of sparklers to each side of the TV and we are away!
“AND ITS LIVE”
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on April 10, 2020, 04:44:49 PM
“AND ITS LIVE”

 ;D

I really miss football! It's only a short term stoppage, we'll get through this.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 10, 2020, 04:55:41 PM
While I will not ask for any refund from my Home or Away season tickets, I will be seeking a refund of monies already paid for Brentford and Sheffield Wed tickets, and coach travel. I do hope that this does not offend anyone.
Everybody should do as they feel correct
I’ve got season ticket, brought tickets for Wednesday, have also paid for corporate at Brentford (not a prawn sandwich fan...just guaranteed me entrance)
I will be requesting refunds ....
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 10, 2020, 07:29:36 PM

Strap a couple of sparklers to each side of the TV and we are away!
I’m going to get me a drum. 😃
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggy nerd on April 10, 2020, 07:38:14 PM
;D

I really miss football! It's only a short term stoppage, we'll get through this.
Is it a short term stoppage though? The scientist in the news conference today said this will be around 'a long time into the future'.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on April 10, 2020, 07:44:13 PM
Is it a short term stoppage though? The scientist in the news conference today said this will be around 'a long time into the future'.

I think football will resume behind closed doors in about 6 weeks time. Watching it online is better than no football for me.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: wbarenno on April 10, 2020, 08:02:13 PM
I think football will resume behind closed doors in about 6 weeks time. Watching it online is better than no football for me.

I’d be surprised if it’s 6 weeks mate , I’d still expect us to be in lockdown in 6 weeks time . Obviously they will extend it for another 3 weeks to May 4th,thats still only 6 weeks in lockdown , my guessing is they will extend it another 3 weeks after that till the 25th of May . That would be 9 weeks , I think they may lift some restrictions then or take it another 3 weeks till the middle of June , that would be 12 weeks locked down then. Definitely 9 -12 weeks locked down I’d say . Restrictions will be lifted bit by bit so playing football behind closed doors would still be a way off .

My guessing is behind closed doors football sometime in July at the earliest, back in pubs August the earliest .

No way will they be playing football in 6 weeks mate , this isn’t based on anything by the way just how I read the situation  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on April 10, 2020, 08:23:06 PM
I think there will be some slight easing of the lockdown around May 1st to be honest. I think football will begin in June which is around 7.5 weeks actually not 6 sorry.

Also, as yourself, not based on anything just a feeling.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on April 10, 2020, 08:47:47 PM
Our 12 weeks minimum is up on 23 June ,don't know whether to go out or give it a bit longer,suppose we'll wait and see a bit closer to the time.
I ordered a new car on 4 October 19 told it would be ready early may ,now the dealer is closed I don't know if the Germans have stopped building cars now, ah well its a strange world were living in now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on April 10, 2020, 10:20:26 PM
I think there will be some slight easing of the lockdown around May 1st to be honest. I think football will begin in June which is around 7.5 weeks actually not 6 sorry.

Also, as yourself, not based on anything just a feeling.
I think this is about right, just a feeling too!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: KN22 on April 10, 2020, 10:45:40 PM
Yes it is 5 league games and I also wont be asking for any kind of refund. The club is going to need every penny it can get it's hand on. If fans can afford it,  not asking for a refund would be a great help financially to the club.

Affording it should not be an issue since we paid for them 12 months ago. I agree that we should not be asking for refunds and hope the games will be on tv if played behind closed doors.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Westie on April 10, 2020, 11:42:59 PM
I am a season ticket holder but knowing what to do regarding renewal is going to be difficult. It will be the end of the year before a vaccine is available, and that’s being very optimistic, so will it be safe for anyone, especially those who are deemed to be at greater risk, to go to football matches before being vaccinated? I am in a higher risk group, so, renew or not to renew, that is the question!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Barrington on April 11, 2020, 06:59:55 AM
Seems pretty simple to me. Do you want to risk your life to watch a game of football? If so, start attending games whilst Covid is still around and you havn't been vaccinated. Glad to be of assistance. Stay safe, save the NHS.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on April 11, 2020, 09:34:40 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2020/04/11/luke-dowling-west-brom-in-friendly-talks/


Sensible. Gives them experience of an empty stadium so they know what to expect when it's for points.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on April 11, 2020, 09:35:13 AM
This social distancing will be with us for a long time. In my opinion lockdown will be to the end of May and then some slight relaxing will happen.  Other non essential shops will reopen, fast food take aways will reopen and a lot of firms will reopen. But all these places will still have social distancing rules.  As for attending football matches, that will be one of the last things to come back on board together with pubs and concerts.  There is no way you will be able to social distance in pubs or football matches so I think there will be no spectator attended football again this year as well as no pub. If we do the virus will re emerge and there will be further lockdown measures introduced.

As far as refunds are concerned they will probably reduce next seasons season tickets.  I will be asking for mine. If the club can charge me to see a reserve team play in the cup then they can afford to refund me !!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggy nerd on April 11, 2020, 09:48:23 AM
I am told there would be over 200 people at a match behind closed doors, it's not just a case of the players turning up. Therefore it would depend on the size of gatherings that may be allowed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: johnny Cash on April 11, 2020, 09:57:53 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2020/04/11/luke-dowling-west-brom-in-friendly-talks/


Sensible. Gives them experience of an empty stadium so they know what to expect when it's for points.

My moneys on stoke. They’ve aren’t out of the woods and are fairly local, although it could be blues I guess for similar reasons.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Foster#1 on April 11, 2020, 10:09:15 AM
I don't think the FL will allow friendlys
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 11, 2020, 10:14:59 AM
My moneys on stoke. They’ve aren’t out of the woods and are fairly local, although it could be blues I guess for similar reasons.
Not Blues as we have still to play them in the league.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 11, 2020, 10:57:22 AM
It’ll 100% be Forrest
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: johnny Cash on April 11, 2020, 11:09:25 AM
It’ll 100% be Forrest

I don’t think it’ll be a side in the hunt
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 11, 2020, 11:11:38 AM
It’ll 100% be Forrest
Mistake if it is . They can still catch us , and could injure our players. In fact not sure this is a good idea at all. Stick to our own players.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on April 11, 2020, 11:21:14 AM
I don't think for one minute they will allow friendlies, too risky in any number of ways, at least if they get a few more games done and it then goes pear shaped they could conceivably go with whatever the standings are, they won't want to faff around
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: caravanc58 on April 11, 2020, 11:24:40 AM
Mistake if it is . They can still catch us , and could injure our players. In fact not sure this is a good idea at all. Stick to our own players.
More sensible to have a friendly between our own players, Bilic and Dicks can make the numbers up.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Foster#1 on April 11, 2020, 11:27:50 AM
I don't think for one minute they will allow friendlies, too risky in any number of ways, at least if they get a few more games done and it then goes pear shaped they could conceivably go with whatever the standings are, they won't want to faff around

100% no friendlys imo

Straight Into it and rightly so
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on April 11, 2020, 12:01:25 PM
I'm available as well to make the numbers up. See if i can't roll it back to the Warley/Sandwell FA glory days.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on April 11, 2020, 03:37:20 PM
It's going to be really interesting how we and others cope with playing in the summer heat on potentially Saturdays and Wednesdays (as these games don't now have to be on an evening).

Hopefully, Biesla is still flogging his lot whilst they are at home.

Hopefully, MP and Krov will be used to it and can continue to shine, but I think we'll be relying more on the squad.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggie96 on April 11, 2020, 04:14:11 PM
Cramming games in will favour bigger squads, we’ve probably got the deepest squad in the league. Fingers crossed we can get over the line.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 11, 2020, 04:19:31 PM
It's going to be really interesting how we and others cope with playing in the summer heat on potentially Saturdays and Wednesdays (as these games don't now have to be on an evening).

Hopefully, Biesla is still flogging his lot whilst they are at home.

Hopefully, MP and Krov will be used to it and can continue to shine, but I think we'll be relying more on the squad.


I think they may play all games in the evenings, Saturday and midweek. Avoids any unlikely issues with heat, circumvents broadcast restrictions and offers larger primetime tv audiences.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Foster#1 on April 11, 2020, 04:27:51 PM
Corruption allegations being thrown about in Spain and Scotland which will delay it even more
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on April 11, 2020, 04:33:26 PM
PLayers from Frankfurt in Bundeliga saying resuming season in late May, behind closed doors.


I think they may play all games in the evenings, Saturday and midweek. Avoids any unlikely issues with heat, circumvents broadcast restrictions and offers larger primetime tv audiences.

All broadcast restrictions have been lifted due to Coronavirus i believe. Our 3pm Saturday KO's have anyway.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 11, 2020, 06:05:15 PM
It's going to be really interesting how we and others cope with playing in the summer heat on potentially Saturdays and Wednesdays (as these games don't now have to be on an evening).

Hopefully, Biesla is still flogging his lot whilst they are at home.

Hopefully, MP and Krov will be used to it and can continue to shine, but I think we'll be relying more on the squad.
I think you may be over estimating the U.K. summer. ☺️
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Raymond John on April 11, 2020, 06:07:06 PM
Our 12 weeks minimum is up on 23 June ,don't know whether to go out or give it a bit longer,suppose we'll wait and see a bit closer to the time.
I ordered a new car on 4 October 19 told it would be ready early may ,now the dealer is closed I don't know if the Germans have stopped building cars now, ah well its a strange world were living in now.

Somewhat off topic but as a matter of interest to me at least as someone who always endeavours to support workers in this country, will you be getting a pension from Germany when you retire?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on April 11, 2020, 06:30:53 PM
FYI mate I'll be getting my pension from my country the UK.
If I choose to buy anything from anywhere in the world that's my business and my money.
I've always bought German cars because I prefer them over British built.just like I buy food grown here or anywhere if you didn't know this is a free country.
Where do you buy your white goods from a British company?
I somehow doubt it.
I've paid my way throughout my life and at one stage for several years employed over 200 people so I reserve my right mate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 11, 2020, 06:49:56 PM
FYI mate I'll be getting my pension from my country the UK.


You're probably not, most pension funds are invested, by investment managers, in global markets. So the return on your pension capital could be coming from anywhere.

I'd imagine the German car market is as good an investment return as anywhere.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on April 11, 2020, 07:24:28 PM
Actually mate you are quite wrong in your assumptions but I'll leave it there.
Your getting a little too personal for my liking and I wouldn't want to upset you with my real thoughts OK?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: geoff on April 11, 2020, 08:25:37 PM

I think they may play all games in the evenings, Saturday and midweek. Avoids any unlikely issues with heat, circumvents broadcast restrictions and offers larger primetime tv audiences.

This is England Jackoo not Spain "heat issues" my backside.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 12, 2020, 08:27:22 AM
This is England Jackoo not Spain "heat issues" my backside.


Wasn't my original suggestion regards temperature... Still we've had a lot of very hot FA Cup final days and that is May, not July.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 12, 2020, 08:33:13 AM
Actually mate you are quite wrong in your assumptions but I'll leave it there.
Your getting a little too personal for my liking and I wouldn't want to upset you with my real thoughts OK?

Don't know if that's a dig at me, but if you read the post again, you'll see I'm on your side.

Can't think of any decent pension fund that wouldn't invest globally.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on April 12, 2020, 10:30:57 AM
Happy Easter to all Baggies fans,
Especially important this time round with this virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 12, 2020, 10:44:25 AM
Playing behind closed doors aside, it is difficult to see all the outstanding fixtures being completed. Once the players are called back to the clubs for training, and mixing in the normal way, there will undoubtedly be one or two players who will feel the need to socialise with their mates and there the trouble will start. 24 Clubs in the Championship each with a squad of 20 players equals 480 players let alone coaches and playing staff. Are the powers that be delusional in thinking that all those clubs will complete their fixtures in a 56 day period without any interference by the Coronavirus? I think they are.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on April 12, 2020, 10:52:52 AM
Or perhaps finish as soon as top six can't be caught?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Westie on April 12, 2020, 10:55:57 AM
Point we’ll made, 68, it only requires one player or a member of staff at a club to go down with the virus when matches start up again, for the league to be suspended again. I am sure that the intention is to finish the season behind closed doors but the reality of the situation will be, I fear, that the season will one way or another, be decided by the current positions.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 12, 2020, 11:00:10 AM
Playing behind closed doors aside, it is difficult to see all the outstanding fixtures being completed. Once the players are called back to the clubs for training, and mixing in the normal way, there will undoubtedly be one or two players who will feel the need to socialise with their mates and there the trouble will start. 24 Clubs in the Championship each with a squad of 20 players equals 480 players let alone coaches and playing staff. Are the powers that be delusional in thinking that all those clubs will complete their fixtures in a 56 day period without any interference by the Coronavirus? I think they are.

I don't think it will be in the normal way, they have to find a way of doing it within government guidelines. I'd be surprised if the government let them do it without an approved plan for safeguarding anyway.
IMO the season will be completed behind closed doors, I believe, we're getting close to the tipping point for mental stability, & the return of sport in some form will help to relieve that
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: geoff on April 12, 2020, 11:34:42 AM
"Pools Panel" anybody.
For those who dont now what i'm talking about.
Back in time when lots of grounds didn't have underground heated pitchs in winter when the ground was to hard to play on & the stands had ice all over them games got called off the FA made up a pannel of
" Experts" who would give the game a score that they thought the game would end at.
Hope that makes sence.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on April 12, 2020, 11:53:56 AM
I wonder how many of the experts on a Pools panel would have predicted defeats for Leeds United against Forest, QPR and Sheffield Wednesday.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 12, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
I don't think it will be in the normal way, they have to find a way of doing it within government guidelines. I'd be surprised if the government let them do it without an approved plan for safeguarding anyway.
IMO the season will be completed behind closed doors, I believe, we're getting close to the tipping point for mental stability, & the return of sport in some form will help to relieve that
.

I agree with you, people need something in their lives, I have been okay up to this weekend, but now I am struggling to cope as I cannot play my sport, walking anywhere is a nightmare, TV is pooh and my neighbour moans if I do any work that involves noise! AAGGGHHHHH
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 12, 2020, 12:49:28 PM
.

I agree with you, people need something in their lives, I have been okay up to this weekend, but now I am struggling to cope as I cannot play my sport, walking anywhere is a nightmare, TV is **** and my neighbour moans if I do any work that involves noise! AAGGGHHHHH

Hi BP,

I'd imagine it is more difficult for you.

Where I live, it seems as though we've all been corralled, the path where I walk with our dog, normally quiet, is now full of joggers & cyclists.

I assume that you can only get off the island in an emergency?

Stay safe & hopefully we'll be back to some kind of normality in due course.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on April 12, 2020, 01:06:39 PM
I don't think it can be assumed that this lock down will last much longer.

Italy, who had it really bad a week or so ago is allowing some shops to reopen in a few days.

The economy cannot take much more of this. As soon as there is a pattern of falling new cases and deaths they will start relaxing the restrictions.

Even then we'll have lost a lot of jobs to this curse.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 12, 2020, 01:10:03 PM
I don't think it can be assumed that this lock down will last much longer.

Italy, who had it really bad a week or so ago is allowing some shops to reopen in a few days.

The economy cannot take much more of this. As soon as there is a pattern of falling new cases and deaths they will start relaxing the restrictions.

Even then we'll have lost a lot of jobs to this curse.


Any flattening we are seeing now is because of the lockdown. They will be very wary of lifting restrictions too soon, and I expect at least another 6 weeks of these measures.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 12, 2020, 01:22:47 PM
Hi BP,

I'd imagine it is more difficult for you.

Where I live, it seems as though we've all been corralled, the path where I walk with our dog, normally quiet, is now full of joggers & cyclists.

I assume that you can only get off the island in an emergency?

Stay safe & hopefully we'll be back to some kind of normality in due course.

I moved to Southampton a couple of years ago, the paths around here are the proplem, the pedestrians are fine even though there are more of them, the cyclists are the problem, they keep coming too close as if the 6foot rule does not apply to them, I have given up going out for a walk, just too stressful.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: timdon on April 12, 2020, 01:25:41 PM
I don't think it can be assumed that this lock down will last much longer.

Italy, who had it really bad a week or so ago is allowing some shops to reopen in a few days.

The economy cannot take much more of this. As soon as there is a pattern of falling new cases and deaths they will start relaxing the restrictions.

Even then we'll have lost a lot of jobs to this curse.
The economy is not the main priority at the present time, and neither is football. If you think that the restrictions are going to start being lifted as soon as new cases and deaths start to fall (which you clearly do), you are going to be sorely disappointed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: wbastrollers on April 12, 2020, 01:40:55 PM

The economy is not the main priority at the present time, and neither is football. If you think that the restrictions are going to start being lifted as soon as new cases and deaths start to fall (which you clearly do), you are going to be sorely disappointed.

I agree. Unfortunately, it is not clear if the virus will return in the Autumn or if you have had the virus it will not return- there are signs that it has returned in a few cases.
We are in uncharted territory- the path to safety is not clear. For those who will use this as a Political weapon, they need to be very, very careful, shouting from the sidelines is a foolhardy occupation.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on April 12, 2020, 01:48:24 PM
I expect it to be lifted after the May day bank holiday, still with many restrictions, but at least we should be able to see family.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 12, 2020, 01:48:57 PM
The economy is not the main priority at the present time, and neither is football. If you think that the restrictions are going to start being lifted as soon as new cases and deaths start to fall (which you clearly do), you are going to be sorely disappointed.

We shall see.

The lockdown's primary aim was to protect the NHS from being swamped, if they can see that is going down and that we have the spare capacity of the nightingale hospitals, they will relax the restrictions.

Some are predicting the worse recession of all time.

BTW, this isn't what I want or wish for, this is what I think they will do.

Trump is on about going back to normal ASAP, the Brazilian president is telling his people to ignore their lockdown because of the detrimental effect on their economy.

Regarding the football and mixing with their mates argument that can be dismissed if they have the squads in world cup style hotels and the suggestion of ending the championship when the top six (and relegation) has been determined is an excellent idea.

But, as I have said previously just because the prem has to finish because of their billion pound tv deals does not mean the efl does, and they could still say final positions stand and go onto the play offs or promote third place. The efl tv deal is minor and it could be argued playing the games in closed door conditions is going to be too much of a cost burden to the teams like Luton and the lower 2 leagues (money going out, but nothing coming in).

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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 12, 2020, 01:54:07 PM
Good discussion folks - just make sure you continue it in the Corona thread  :)
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Post by: gazberg on April 12, 2020, 01:54:57 PM
I also agree the economy will not be able to stand much more of this. In an ideal world the economy wouldn't matter a jot of course, only peoples lives but we don't live in an ideal world.

Once things have levelled out and deaths are steadily declining i believe we shall then see a staggered return to 'normality'. Provisions will be made for any future pandemics like this in terms of stockpiling PPE,  reactive measures etc.

South Korea are well ahead of everyone else because they have recent, relevant experience of it unfortunately for them. If it does come back i believe action will be swifter and a lot more decisive.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 12, 2020, 02:09:02 PM
The economy is not the main priority at the present time, and neither is football. If you think that the restrictions are going to start being lifted as soon as new cases and deaths start to fall (which you clearly do), you are going to be sorely disappointed.

I think the economy is a big issue. The measures taken by the chancellor are based on low interest loans, which will have to be paid back. Apart from high value construction projects, there is no-one at work paying taxes. Front line NHS workers are paid from the gathering of taxes.
Our government, along with other global governments, have some really difficult risk & reward decisions to make in the next few days.

IMO, as soon as the nightingale hospitals are fully operational, so that the NHS isn't swamped, I expect some of the restrictions to be relaxed with caveats, (social distancing to continue for example)

I'm not sure where sport sits in all this, but it's untrue to say that the economy is not the priority.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 12, 2020, 04:38:04 PM
They'll continue social distancing and possibly make mask available and will continue to ask the "At risk" people to stay in if they can.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 12, 2020, 04:39:59 PM
Lots of very interesting comments on this thread.

Thing is I'm a musician and so rely totally on people getting out there and filling venues. But I dread the lifting and relaxing of things too soon. I would much rather the pubs and clubs - and anywhere else that's relevant, including sadly The Hawthorns - remained closed to the public even when the immediate lockdown is lifted/ relaxed.

This thing is not going to go away until we have a vaccine and can get it out there to the world. I don't want to be a part of kicking it off all over again - or indeed putting myself at risk come to that.

I'm hopeful that we will reach a point where we can visit our loved ones - I've just become a granddad (FFS) and that's a tough one. But the world is going to change, maybe in some drastic ways, possibly permanently...
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Post by: Albionic on April 12, 2020, 08:39:23 PM
I'm with Jacko on this one, if folks are expecting an early release to the lockdown they will be disappointed I think, all that will be achieved in the short term is flattening the curve, but deaths will still be at a horribly high rate.
Any relaxation will result in the rate climbing again and putting the NHS under unacceptable stress once more, only if a reliable immunity test is found will there be scope for relaxation (or a vaccine of course)
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Post by: wbarenno on April 12, 2020, 09:39:51 PM
Most reports say there confident of a vaccine by September, fingers crossed cause that  would be a medical miracle  8)
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Post by: liverbaggie on April 12, 2020, 10:39:19 PM
Fingers crossed someone finds an antidote asap.
But just because were seeing grass shoots of flattening the curve its got to go down the other side and the deaths will probably be similar in its way down as it was on its way up.
So the expert who said we'll do well to keep deaths down to 20k looks to be correct.
I'm still in shock about the whole thing really imagine 20 thousand innocent people whose only crime was to be I'll.
Its like a small town disappearing.
Terrifying.
So you guys keep safe .
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Post by: Adder on April 12, 2020, 10:41:56 PM
Most reports say there confident of a vaccine by September, fingers crossed cause that  would be a medical miracle  8)
There is some confidence in that but according to Jeremy Farrar, one of the governments main advisers, it's likely to be a couple more months minimum beyond September before the vaccine would be available in sufficient quantities to make an impression on the general population. At least it's a start if key workers can get it.
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Post by: alex1 on April 12, 2020, 10:44:37 PM
Most reports say there confident of a vaccine by September, fingers crossed cause that  would be a medical miracle  8)
Really?? I'm hearing end of year we'll be lucky.
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Post by: Political Cake on April 13, 2020, 03:27:34 AM
Please try to keep this thread for club, league or at least football related news and discussion about the current situation.

Everything else can go here: (http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=24425.msg706236#new)
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=24425.msg706236#new
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: the other AJ on April 13, 2020, 08:28:20 AM
Back to Albion.....here’s a thought around the friendlies that are being talked of.
If we test every squad player and staff member 48/72 hours prior for both sides and no one is positive then I don’t see why this couldn’t happen.

Then, if it’s a success, potentially fast forward to the remaining fixtures and do the same 3 days before each fixture for every team. Granted there are issues with support staff etc however as long as good social distancing, sanitisation and so forth is practised then could this be a reality?

I appreciate that the football calendar and the number of tests required is low on the current priority list, nevertheless the UK needs some feel good factor for everyone’s mental health at present  and bringing a structured and safe fixture list back must surely be at the very least investigated...thoughts?
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Post by: caravanc58 on April 13, 2020, 08:48:08 AM
Back to Albion.....here’s a thought around the friendlies that are being talked of.
If we test every squad player and staff member 48/72 hours prior for both sides and no one is positive then I don’t see why this couldn’t happen.

Then, if it’s a success, potentially fast forward to the remaining fixtures and do the same 3 days before each fixture for every team. Granted there are issues with support staff etc however as long as good social distancing, sanitisation and so forth is practised then could this be a reality?

I appreciate that the football calendar and the number of tests required is low on the current priority list, nevertheless the UK needs some feel good factor for everyone’s mental health at present  and bringing a structured and safe fixture list back must surely be at the very least investigated...thoughts?
Sounds feasible but I wouldn't want any tests wasted on footballers just to get us back underway, ever available test should be used for those who really need it who are risking their lives daily. football is huge part of our lives but right now it means jackshit to me.
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Post by: BigFrank20 on April 13, 2020, 09:43:58 AM
Sounds feasible but I wouldn't want any tests wasted on footballers just to get us back underway, ever available test should be used for those who really need it who are risking their lives daily. football is huge part of our lives but right now it means jackshit to me.
Footballers and many of the entourage that surrounds them at a football club are going to be part of the private healthcare system not the public facing NHS. I am willing to bet my pension that those who have the cash are already getting themselves tested via the private healthcare system and so adding footballers et al to the list is not going to waste any of the NHS funded/sourced Covid tests
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Post by: Adder on April 13, 2020, 09:57:23 AM
Footballers and many of the entourage that surrounds them at a football club are going to be part of the private healthcare system not the public facing NHS. I am willing to bet my pension that those who have the cash are already getting themselves tested via the private healthcare system and so adding footballers et al to the list is not going to waste any of the NHS funded/sourced Covid tests
Do we actually know that there are tests available in the private healthcare system ? The Government should be prioritising all available tests into the NHS and key worker resources.
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Post by: gazberg on April 13, 2020, 10:01:41 AM
Sounds feasible but I wouldn't want any tests wasted on footballers just to get us back underway, ever available test should be used for those who really need it who are risking their lives daily. football is huge part of our lives but right now it means jackshit to me.


You can buy private tests for 249quid if you got the money.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 13, 2020, 10:41:29 AM
I know we have been warned to keep it football but it's all linked isn't it. I totally agree with Jacko about the lockdown.

Look at China, lockdown lifted for little over a week and the cases are starting to go up all over again.

This really is, in every sense, a game changer. I can see football and many other social events switching to closed doors and televised until a vaccine can be found...

I can't see 'life as we know it' returning for a long time, and I'm usually a glass half full sort of bloke.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: caravanc58 on April 13, 2020, 10:53:12 AM
I know we have been warned to keep it football but it's all linked isn't it. I totally agree with Jacko about the lockdown.

Look at China, lockdown lifted for little over a week and the cases are starting to go up all over again.

This really is, in every sense, a game changer. I can see football and many other social events switching to closed doors and televised until a vaccine can be found...

I can't see 'life as we know it' returning for a long time, and I'm usually a glass half full sort of bloke.
I can't see football even being played behind closed doors until the lockdown has been lifted. Would create anger if we allow sport to restart and still want the public to remain indoors, it sends out the wrong message.
The news from China is a stark warning if we lift the lockdown too early.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on April 13, 2020, 12:11:02 PM
People will be going back to work by then in my opinion. I can't see a lockdown lasting through June.
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Post by: Adder on April 13, 2020, 12:23:43 PM
If anyone's in any doubt about the worth of lockdown, last Monday's Horizon coronavirus special is worth a watch.
We went into lockdown two weeks later than we should have and I really hope the Government and scientific advisers get the timing of any relaxation of lockdown right, erring on the late side rather than the early side.
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Post by: gazberg on April 13, 2020, 12:28:56 PM
I think all eyes will be on Spain over the next 3 weeks or so now most people are back in work. As long as there isn't a drastic rise in fatalities people will be back in work sooner rather than later.
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Post by: Foster#1 on April 13, 2020, 12:47:41 PM
Germany sound ahead tbh, they have players training at training grounds.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 13, 2020, 12:49:23 PM
There are two threads on this

This one for football related and the other one...for other stuff

So
The one thing I think people forget, is the value of the footballer in terms of £...and consequently the insurance companies ..
I think there would have to be some strict ...really strict...measures in place ....and if clubs thought that there was the slightest chance that one of their 30m assets wouldn’t be covered, then it focuses their minds .
Imagine the loss adjuster walking around Man City’s stadium and getting the calculator out

I want football back, I do agree that it has a binding factor and makes the public in general have something tangiable to hold on too....but I fear it may actually price itself out of a quick return ..

My other point on next year season(because I am in the this one must be finished first camp)
Suspend all cups
All leagues below prem are split in two , with the winner of champ 1 and champ 2 going up, runner up in both playoff
Relegation is bottom club in each, penultimate play off

Then revert back to normal the year after...
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on April 13, 2020, 12:54:19 PM
Germany sound ahead tbh, they have players training at training grounds.
Whilst having to keep the 2 metre rule and no tackling allowed! That might even suit certain players! 
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Post by: Albionic on April 13, 2020, 12:56:44 PM
Whilst having to keep the 2 metre rule and no tackling allowed! That might even suit certain players!
I await the first close up of a player gobbing with interest!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on April 13, 2020, 03:00:37 PM
Reports of EFL resuming on 6/6/20.

That's around the time thought it would come back with players going back to training around 6/5/20.
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Post by: gazberg on April 13, 2020, 03:27:48 PM
Sounds about right to me, 1st week in June. Staggered normality resuming 1st week in May.
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Post by: The Tank on April 13, 2020, 06:11:38 PM
Whilst having to keep the 2 metre rule and no tackling allowed! That might even suit certain players!


No tackling.   Greasy will still keep diving though
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Foster#1 on April 13, 2020, 08:31:59 PM
Italy pushing for no fans til next year
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: wbarenno on April 13, 2020, 08:45:48 PM
Italy pushing for no fans til next year

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8215067/amp/Coronavirus-UK-Fans-set-banned-attending-Serie-matches-2021.html

Yeah big game changer if true , you would imagine all other European countries following suit
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on April 14, 2020, 09:08:34 AM
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8215067/amp/Coronavirus-UK-Fans-set-banned-attending-Serie-matches-2021.html

Yeah big game changer if true , you would imagine all other European countries following suit
They might go to home fans only after a bit as an interim, just a guess
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on April 14, 2020, 12:47:03 PM
Football is completely meaningless at the moment. I couldn't care less whether we kicked another ball this year. Im more concerned about actually being alive this time next year, with my family and friends.This isn't going away any time soon. So what happens once we are released from lock down?? It only takes a few people to start re-infecting 1000's, putting us back into lock down. Sorry to put a downer on events, but until they find a vaccine, this is going to drag on for months.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on April 14, 2020, 01:50:26 PM
I agree with you maresca.
Play football behind closed doors for a while,perhaps the powers that be will stop just expecting fans to turn up week in week out,stop taking us for granted,perhaps they will have to appreciate us more, reduce prices big time etc.
eg: the cost of drinks and food inside the stadiums etc.
Because if they don't try reducing stuff after this virus well that'll show their true colours.
After all what's football without the fans? Nothing!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on April 14, 2020, 02:51:20 PM
Football is completely meaningless at the moment. I couldn't care less whether we kicked another ball this year. Im more concerned about actually being alive this time next year, with my family and friends.This isn't going away any time soon. So what happens once we are released from lock down?? It only takes a few people to start re-infecting 1000's, putting us back into lock down. Sorry to put a downer on events, but until they find a vaccine, this is going to drag on for months.
What will probably happen is that after a few games one club or other will get the virus running through their squad and the powers that be will call it all off again, and that will be it for this season - unless there are only one or two games left in which case they might just plough on.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 14, 2020, 05:21:03 PM
Football is completely meaningless at the moment. I couldn't care less whether we kicked another ball this year. Im more concerned about actually being alive this time next year, with my family and friends.This isn't going away any time soon. So what happens once we are released from lock down?? It only takes a few people to start re-infecting 1000's, putting us back into lock down. Sorry to put a downer on events, but until they find a vaccine, this is going to drag on for months.

Agreed. Sad to say.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 16, 2020, 07:07:16 PM
Football is completely meaningless at the moment. I couldn't care less whether we kicked another ball this year. Im more concerned about actually being alive this time next year, with my family and friends.This isn't going away any time soon. So what happens once we are released from lock down?? It only takes a few people to start re-infecting 1000's, putting us back into lock down. Sorry to put a downer on events, but until they find a vaccine, this is going to drag on for months.
Agree entirely Maresca. Furthermore end the season , either promote us or not, and start planning the next season to commence whenever it is safe for us all to go and watch again. If that happens to be a year from now then so be it. I sincerely hope that this is dawn of a new era in English football.
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Post by: ronnie_allen on April 17, 2020, 10:59:12 AM
Agree entirely Maresca. Furthermore end the season , either promote us or not, and start planning the next season to commence whenever it is safe for us all to go and watch again. If that happens to be a year from now then so be it. I sincerely hope that this is dawn of a new era in English football.

I would agree with the general sentiment. That we are unlikely to be able to get a complete season next year whenever we aim to start as well. Personally; would prefer to have one season spread across two years and get fully completed rather than having two heavily disrupted seasons. 
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 17, 2020, 11:04:47 AM
finish this season whenever and start the new season 21/22
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Post by: Jordie1471 on April 17, 2020, 11:14:31 AM
finish this season whenever and start the new season 21/22

I'm coming round to this also.

A 20/21 season is going to be a clusterf*** to try and put on where there is likely to be a second wave and second lockdown coming in the winter months.

Better to just get these last 9 games out at some point over the next 12 months. Play the Euros June 2021 and then start afresh August 2021

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on April 17, 2020, 11:29:00 AM
EFL clubs being told to return to training 16th May in order to return at relatively short notice.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/efl-return-date-training-coronavirus-social-distancing-latest-news-a9470206.html

To me this implies a behind closed doors resumption around 1st week of June. I cannot see us being at the point where large scale public gatherings will be back by then.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on April 17, 2020, 11:55:24 AM
EFL clubs being told to return to training 16th May in order to return at relatively short notice.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/efl-return-date-training-coronavirus-social-distancing-latest-news-a9470206.html

To me this implies a behind closed doors resumption around 1st week of June. I cannot see us being at the point where large scale public gatherings will be back by then.
Absolutely not, it will be behind closed doors if it happens, I'm sure of that
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on April 17, 2020, 11:57:58 AM
Efl honcho Rick Parry has said games will take place behind closed doors and trying to find a way for them to be broadcast with ifollow etc
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Post by: Topman on April 17, 2020, 11:58:57 AM
Am I the only one who thinks behind closed doors is an awful idea. Taking out the fact there is still risk, yes I know much reduced. But in terms of our promotion I feel it’s right back in the mix now. Don’t underestimate the impact crowds have. I think they’ll be some very strange results as certain teams will totally down tools in thier fans are not therr
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on April 17, 2020, 12:17:20 PM
I imagine the teams in the middle will have very strange games indeed. On the beach earlier than normal. I think the teams fighting for promotion or to avoid relegation will be on it.

Also depends if the players have been keeping themselves healthy while off.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on April 17, 2020, 12:29:28 PM
I think behind closed doors is the best option we have. You have to finish the season playing football matches in some form. The atmosphere will be different but its still eleven v eleven, maybe like watching top professionals playing in a pre-season friendly.
It should be straight forward to organise tv access for everyone through iFollow. Police have powers to disperse any congregation of fans outside stadiums.

There would undoubtedly be a few strange results. An example could be where there has been Corona within a team which has to self-isolate. I'm afraid that's the luck of the draw.
If people are to be confined to their homes for a long period,  televised matches would give fans something to look forward to.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on April 17, 2020, 01:51:13 PM
Would the BBC and ITV be able to show live behind closed doors matches for free,because I don't have sky.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 17, 2020, 01:53:27 PM
I doubt it, the idea would be to get in the lost spectator revenue.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 17, 2020, 01:59:09 PM
Would the BBC and ITV be able to show live behind closed doors matches for free,because I don't have sky.

Very much doubt it mate - believe the EFL have their televised deals with Quest and Sky Sports
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 17, 2020, 02:12:50 PM
Am I the only one who thinks behind closed doors is an awful idea. Taking out the fact there is still risk, yes I know much reduced. But in terms of our promotion I feel it’s right back in the mix now. Don’t underestimate the impact crowds have. I think they’ll be some very strange results as certain teams will totally down tools in thier fans are not therr
I said this earlier in the chain , I think it is the only aspect that is different per team.
Fitness, risk of injury will be the sa,e across (generally) but the crowd are a massive factor...ours makes noise....reading won’t notice 😀
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 17, 2020, 02:46:23 PM
Lack of a crowd may benefit some of the teams down the bottom. The players won't hear moans and groans when they mishit a pass, concede a goal etc. On the flip side the crowd won't be there to give them impetus if they start playing well. 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other for me.

Might benefit Bartley and Johnstone!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on April 17, 2020, 03:04:15 PM
Would the BBC and ITV be able to show live behind closed doors matches for free,because I don't have sky.
I think Sky will give away a certain number of games to free to air partly as a gesture of solidarity or whatever you want to call it, but also because it would be fantastic marketing for them, the "people's game" and all that, insist on having their logos all over it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 17, 2020, 03:13:46 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52317944

The English Football League is planning to stream every remaining game live once the season restarts, chairman Rick Parry has said in a letter to fans.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on April 17, 2020, 03:21:00 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52317944

The English Football League is planning to stream every remaining game live once the season restarts, chairman Rick Parry has said in a letter to fans.
If Rick Parry and the EFL are making such a big announcement of showing every remaining game live, I doubt they would only allow those with Sky subscriptions to watch them. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 17, 2020, 03:28:37 PM
If Rick Parry and the EFL are making such a big announcement of showing every remaining game live, I doubt they would only allow those with Sky subscriptions to watch them.

Didn't clubs say weeks ago that games would be screened through iFollow for free?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: leeiswba on April 17, 2020, 04:13:32 PM
Got no real interest in games behind closed doors, watched a couple in the past and whatever competition it’s been in it has just been completely awful and like a training match with no intensity.

Not really fussed what they do but looks as if behind closed doors will be the easiest and most sensible. Hopefully they just get them over and out the way as soon as possible from when it’s safe to resume.

It’s all just about money really isn’t it, the thought of us winning promotion and not being there or part of it is pretty rubbish and I can’t say I will be excited over it but unfortunately due to finances it has to be finished and we have to make sure we do go up
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Post by: Albionic on April 17, 2020, 04:40:34 PM
Play off final at wembley behind closed doors?!! sounds horrible.

In fact why at wembley, where would be academic as long as its neutral (the Hawthorns??)
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Post by: Standaman on April 17, 2020, 05:32:03 PM
Intresting twitter thread from Rory Smith

It's starting to feel like the PL is going to talk itself into abandoning the season at some point. My impression is whether you think that's right breaks down to some extent on club lines, but also which bits of a very convoluted conversation have resonated most. Some thoughts:

The logic that we must protect next season seems to be based on the idea that it can, in some way, be "normal." But it won't be normal, because most estimates seem to be we won't get fans in stadiums until some time next year. Starting in Aug/Sept with fans is not on the cards.

It might also be vulnerable to another wave and another lockdown, which is why (as well as the economic demands/sporting integrity stuff) to me finishing this one may as well be the priority. Completing this one is probably easier than completing the next one.)

The contracts thing: it is a small percentage of players who are out of contract this summer (though it's higher the lower down you go). There's no perfect solution to this, but it feels like "Pedro has been left in limbo" and "clubs will go to the wall" are not equal concerns.

I spoke to a non-PL player who's out of contract this summer yesterday. He wants to leave his current club, but he said he'd obviously sign an extension for a couple of months if that's what was needed. "It's either that or don't have a job," as he put it.

That would, probably, come with a caveat - something to protect him in case of injury - and it may be that Fifa has to open a pre-registration window over the summer (so you can sign a contract for the start of next season even as you carry on playing this one).

Most players and clubs would, I think, follow that same logic. A few wouldn't, likely for valid reasons, but again: there is no perfect solution. You can't base rules around exceptions. You're talking a tiny proportion of cases against the wellbeing of the game as a whole.

Fifa could help a bit here, too: the transfer window is really a registration window. So shift it: say the registration window opens at a certain point, so even if players don't play for their old club, at least they're not playing for their new one.

Happy to be corrected but not sure how that would contravene national contract law. You'd still have some players unable to play, or clubs unwilling to pay them, but you'd be talking very small numbers indeed. I genuinely don't think any of this needs to be a dealbreaker.

One final thought: any time anyone mentions finishing the season without fans or in July or whatever, lots of people immediately declare it should be voided. That's fine; it is a valid opinion. But not sure voiding is on the cards, either.

Belgium (which will ratify next week) and Scotland (in the lower leagues) have frozen, not voided. They're declaring champions (and probably promoting and relegating). I *think* that's because they think Uefa wants a result to the season, even if it's not completed.

So if the choice is between completing the season - whenever that might be, with a time limit of, say, late August - or freezing it (Liverpool champions, Leeds promoted, Leicester in the CL, bottom three down), does that change your mind? Because that may be the choice.


It is somewhat out of step with the EFL prepare for the season to be completed sooner rather than latter (obviously behind closed doors) Yet the agenda in England will be set top down what the Premier League decides to do will be pivotal and as ever the EFL will be compelled to fall in line.

An extended period of behind closed doors operation could be the death knell for a number of league 1 & 2 clubs and voiding the season might be the better option with a restart at some point in the future when normality can resume. Plainly the clubs at both ends of their respective divisions have a huge vested interest but I for one cannot say our promotion is so important to justify the extinction of a number of other supporters clubs.
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Post by: Baggies on April 17, 2020, 06:08:11 PM
Whatever happens, the probability of some huge changes to the global game in the coming years has risen to the point where they are more likely than not.

The lack of revenue and the losses the likes of the premier league and la liga will face will likely see the European super league emerge in some format - even if that is initially via reform to the champions league.

I wouldn't be shocked to see some cross border leagues too, with Rangers or Celtic joining the premier league structure. I remember reading thag when the NHL(i believe) had it's lockdown/lock out, it caused years worth of damage that they have never really recovered from.

While we might get promotion by default, I struggle to believe the same money will be available to us as was originally on the cards back in January. Domestic league football will potentially wither away once we get going properly again for the 2021/2022 season (if we even restart properly at that stage).
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 17, 2020, 06:18:11 PM
Would the BBC and ITV be able to show live behind closed doors matches for free,because I don't have sky.

I believe the games will be shown on ifollow, foc to sth's. Not sure if non sth's can buy a subscription.
The other option is now tv, where you can pay by match.
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Post by: wbarenno on April 17, 2020, 06:24:28 PM
I believe the games will be shown on ifollow, foc to sth's. Not sure if non sth's can buy a subscription.
The other option is now tv, where you can pay by match.

I’d have thought they will be on more things then I follow . Large majority of people wouldn’t even know what I follow is
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on April 17, 2020, 06:32:26 PM
Anybody know what the transfer windows are or not?
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 17, 2020, 06:36:38 PM
Whatever happens, the probability of some huge changes to the global game in the coming years has risen to the point where they are more likely than not.

The lack of revenue and the losses the likes of the premier league and la liga will face will likely see the European super league emerge in some format - even if that is initially via reform to the champions league.

I wouldn't be shocked to see some cross border leagues too, with Rangers or Celtic joining the premier league structure. I remember reading thag when the NHL(i believe) had it's lockdown/lock out, it caused years worth of damage that they have never really recovered from.

While we might get promotion by default, I struggle to believe the same money will be available to us as was originally on the cards back in January. Domestic league football will potentially wither away once we get going properly again for the 2021/2022 season (if we even restart properly at that stage).
Understand your points,as a counter because it has been literally global and the impact will be felt across all nations/ all league doesn’t that mean that if we would have had £100m and will now have £40m , that would pass through on transfers and wages .
So Neymar was worth £200m and will now be worth £120m ....
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 17, 2020, 07:01:01 PM
I’d have thought they will be on more things then I follow . Large majority of people wouldn’t even know what I follow is

My comment was in response to Liverbaggie who asked if the games would be on terrestial tv because he didn't have sky.

I understand the clubs have agreed to stream the games on ifollow free of charge to sth's.

It's likely that the subscription tv live contracts together with the highlights contracts will also be fulfilled, if so then yes, they will also be live on sky etc & on the NowTV sky sports pack,
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on April 17, 2020, 07:17:27 PM
Hey baggiejohn, thanks for your advice, trouble is I don't understand any of it,too technical for me.
If its not BBC or ITV or quest then I've no hope of watching any live behind closed door matches foc.
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Post by: Albionic on April 17, 2020, 07:25:45 PM
@Liverbaggie, paste the link below into your browsers search bar and it will take you to the WBAFC options page, pick an option and register and "williams yeah antees bruvva"

https://www.wba.co.uk/ifollow/subscribe/
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 17, 2020, 09:09:53 PM
Hey baggiejohn, thanks for your advice, trouble is I don't understand any of it,too technical for me.
If its not BBC or ITV or quest then I've no hope of watching any live behind closed door matches foc.

If you follow Albionics' link to the WBA website for ifollow, it will stream the game to your computer/phone etc. It's likely to be free if you are a season ticket holder.
Not sure what happens if you don't have a season ticket.

If you have an hdmi connection on the back of your tv (looks a bit like a usb port, but it will have a label HDMI) you can connect a NOWTV device which will enable you to view Sky Sports on your tv via the internet.
Here's a link to the NOWTV device which you can buy

https://www.nowtv.com/smart-tv-stick (https://www.nowtv.com/smart-tv-stick)

This is how you install it

https://help.nowtv.com/article/what-is-a-now-tv-smart-stick (https://help.nowtv.com/article/what-is-a-now-tv-smart-stick)

Hope this helps


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Post by: liverbaggie on April 17, 2020, 10:43:36 PM
Wow,thanks for the info guys.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 17, 2020, 11:51:28 PM
You might not need a now tv stick if you have smart TV which has the now tv app on it.

Or you could just watch now tv on your computer or smartphone.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on April 18, 2020, 12:19:26 AM
iFollow allows internet access to Championship and lower division matches for people who are abroad. The reason it wasn't opened up for the domestic public is the rule about not showing live football at 3 pm on Saturdays. I use it myself when I'm in Germany. You can buy for a season, month or individual matches. Obviously it is more economical if you don't buy individual matches. The one catch is that they don't cover Live Sky matches, which in WBA's case has meant every other week.

So the technology is there. Its just really whether the powers that be decide to charge or  how much.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ttree30 on April 18, 2020, 10:21:32 AM
I can’t see professional sports events that attract crowds returning for a very long time in any “normal” way.

I also can’t see how they’ll be able to create that much revenue from streaming and TV rights to matches played behind closed doors. Some perhaps, but nowhere near enough to finance the fantasy money many in the sport have been used to.

This is going to be a very cold, extremely long deep-freeze for professional football (and many other sports besides). Who knows what it will look like on the other side of it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Adder on April 18, 2020, 11:19:33 AM
iFollow allows internet access to Championship and lower division matches for people who are abroad. The reason it wasn't opened up for the domestic public is the rule about not showing live football at 3 pm on Saturdays. I use it myself when I'm in Germany. You can buy for a season, month or individual matches. Obviously it is more economical if you don't buy individual matches. The one catch is that they don't cover Live Sky matches, which in WBA's case has meant every other week.

So the technology is there. Its just really whether the powers that be decide to charge or  how much.
What's the coverage quality like on ifollow ? Is it basic like the sky red button coverage (i.e. one fixed camera, standard definition, no replays, low crowd noise - not that that would be an issue behind closed doors !). It's relevant as I for one would be prepared to pay more if the coverage is good but not if it's like the basic Sky red button full game coverage.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on April 18, 2020, 11:53:28 AM
I follow and the sky red button coverage is the same thing I believe.
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Post by: gazberg on April 18, 2020, 12:00:06 PM
Ifollow is a fixed camera if I recall, you get replays etc though. Sometimes you get commentary, sometimes you don't.
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Post by: Adder on April 18, 2020, 12:03:55 PM
OK, thanks for the ifollow info - guessed it would be similar to sky red button.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 18, 2020, 12:23:39 PM
Hey baggiejohn, thanks for your advice, trouble is I don't understand any of it,too technical for me.
If its not BBC or ITV or quest then I've no hope of watching any live behind closed door matches foc.
I’ve used I follow (for Cardiff away)
You may as well just put a picture up on your TV , it was awful.

I’d have thought there will be some free to air ,sky would be daft not to use that has a taster advertisement.
But I’d say you’ll be lucky to get 2 of our games on their ...if at all
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Post by: BalisPen on April 18, 2020, 01:14:37 PM
When the games start behind closed doors I expect our games (and championship games in general) to be all on sky, as we are chasing promotion and they know they will get the Viewers, and at worst on their red button. I think sky will do a deal to pay extra for the extra matches they will be showing.

Depending on that sky deal ifollow could show those matches too for their usual £10 price (free for season ticket holders).

I expect leagues one and two will be on ifollow only.

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on April 18, 2020, 03:34:29 PM
What's the coverage quality like on ifollow ? Is it basic like the sky red button coverage (i.e. one fixed camera, standard definition, no replays, low crowd noise - not that that would be an issue behind closed doors !). It's relevant as I for one would be prepared to pay more if the coverage is good but not if it's like the basic Sky red button full game coverage.
The picture quality on iFollow is excellent. They haven't got as many different camera  angles as Sky, but pictures are sharp. Crowd noise is there. The commentaries are usually done by local broadcasters, Ian Hamilton is summariser (can be annoying listening to biased commentary in away games).
In fact, I prefer it when I can look on iFollow, as opposed to Sky where there is all the hassle about getting any stream.
P.S. I'm not familiar with the Sky 'red button'. Presumably have to be a Sky customer and you press to get an alternative match?

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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 18, 2020, 05:30:16 PM
Serious question, will sky put in background crowd sound ?
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Post by: timdon on April 18, 2020, 05:45:51 PM
Serious question, will sky put in background crowd sound ?
Good point. I'm not sure which would be more annoying, "canned" crowd noise or silence.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 18, 2020, 05:59:51 PM
Serious question, will sky put in background crowd sound ?

Done well it might work, but I'm not sure how easy it would be to get the sequencing right, if the sound is dubbed

This zoom programme seems to work quite well for musical groups, not sure if that could be up-scaled & then played on the big screens to motivate the players.

Don't know about you, but I shout at the telly when it's on  :)
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Post by: gazberg on April 18, 2020, 06:10:36 PM
Serious question, will sky put in background crowd sound ?

The EFL/boradcasters have already said background noise will NOT be added which is a good thing.
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Post by: rogerstubbs on April 18, 2020, 07:15:13 PM
The twice I have paid for ifollow this season I failed to get a picture ,trying many different alternatives. Has anyone else had the same problem?
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Post by: gazberg on April 18, 2020, 07:40:43 PM
Picture has always been perfect for me. Had an audio problem once but they just turned it off eventually and left the crowd noise on which i liked.
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Post by: alex1 on April 18, 2020, 08:38:05 PM
The EFL/boradcasters have already said background noise will NOT be added which is a good thing.
Agreed. They would never be able to get the sequencing of the crowd noise right. 
The commentators will add some emotion to the proceedings. Gez Mulholland does the home commentaries for iFollow with the help of Ian Hamilton who are pretty good. Not so good listening to local journalists for away matches, though Gez and Ian do some of those. There was a mixup when they had Luton based commentators  doing the recent game at the Hawthorns, before they spotted the error.
Maybe the sound of players cheering would also add some live emotion.
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Post by: Adder on April 18, 2020, 08:40:53 PM
The picture quality on iFollow is excellent. They haven't got as many different camera  angles as Sky, but pictures are sharp. Crowd noise is there. The commentaries are usually done by local broadcasters, Ian Hamilton is summariser (can be annoying listening to biased commentary in away games).
In fact, I prefer it when I can look on iFollow, as opposed to Sky where there is all the hassle about getting any stream.
P.S. I'm not familiar with the Sky 'red button'. Presumably have to be a Sky customer and you press to get an alternative match?
Yes that's right, it's usually the midweek games outside of the game chosen as Sky main event, that are on the red button. I'll give iFollow a try depending on the broadcasting decisions when it eventually resumes and see how it compares.
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Post by: WBArgo on April 18, 2020, 08:46:06 PM
The twice I have paid for ifollow this season I failed to get a picture ,trying many different alternatives. Has anyone else had the same problem?

I've used iFollow for a while now, no problems really apart from when my internet lags. But for the price it is I can't moan - I don't know what your problem is - it may be your browser or something?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 18, 2020, 09:28:07 PM
The twice I have paid for ifollow this season I failed to get a picture ,trying many different alternatives. Has anyone else had the same problem?
Yes , used it for Cardiff away ...it was shocking
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggies on April 19, 2020, 09:53:31 AM
Understand your points,as a counter because it has been literally global and the impact will be felt across all nations/ all league doesn’t that mean that if we would have had £100m and will now have £40m , that would pass through on transfers and wages .
So Neymar was worth £200m and will now be worth £120m ....

You could be right yeah, but it requires a deeper level of economic understanding than I have. I'm not sure if it will be as simple as everyone loses the same percenatge of money across the board. The Premier league, with it's bigger broadcasting deals, might be harder hit than other leagues.
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Post by: Barrington on April 19, 2020, 11:00:29 AM
It wouldn't surprise me one little bit if some of the betting sites or even Amazon get involved in streaming some games.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 19, 2020, 11:19:31 AM
It wouldn't surprise me one little bit if some of the betting sites or even Amazon get involved in streaming some games.
Yep Amazon already did their Boxing Day thing.
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Post by: calgarybaggie on April 19, 2020, 05:06:32 PM
How about a mini league to finish the season? Take the top 6 and have them play each other.  It would only need to be 5 games - who cares about home and away in an empty stadium? Each team would start with their existing point advantages so we would start with 6 points more than fulham and 10 points more than Brentford etc. After they play the five games against each other, the top three go up. The same would apply to the bottom 6 of any division.  Most teams outside the top or bottom six at this stage of the season are unlikely to go up or down so why put them through the process.  I think a lot of people might pay to watch those tournaments on tv and any tv money would be shared among the entire division.  Then you get the season finished in a few weeks, you get a high level of interest in the games, you get an end result that is a bit more satisfactory than abandoning or freezing the season and you get closure on the season.  Just a thought.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 19, 2020, 05:54:43 PM
How about a mini league to finish the season? Take the top 6 and have them play each other.  It would only need to be 5 games - who cares about home and away in an empty stadium? Each team would start with their existing point advantages so we would start with 6 points more than fulham and 10 points more than Brentford etc. After they play the five games against each other, the top three go up. The same would apply to the bottom 6 of any division.  Most teams outside the top or bottom six at this stage of the season are unlikely to go up or down so why put them through the process.  I think a lot of people might pay to watch those tournaments on tv and any tv money would be shared among the entire division.  Then you get the season finished in a few weeks, you get a high level of interest in the games, you get an end result that is a bit more satisfactory than abandoning or freezing the season and you get closure on the season.  Just a thought.
Why would the team in 6th agree to play the top five if they already had ...and had favourable results previously?
No chance
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Foster#1 on April 20, 2020, 10:50:16 AM
League 2 set be void ?

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Post by: paulosull on April 21, 2020, 03:46:07 PM
League 2 set be void ?
ridiculous decision who has the power to decide that a season that is almost over is void. Play pooh through out season no consequences if in relagation zone. Teams fighting for titles and trying to be successful fooook you.
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Post by: baggiemart on April 21, 2020, 04:11:02 PM
Playing the rest of the season behind closed doors could give us an advantage especially in home games.  In nearly all our home games we have looked too nervous in front of our home crowd. Something that doesn't exist in our away performances. Without the crowd there they will probably perform better.

Lets face it , we have the best players in this division in our squad. The only things that have held us back this season is the home form .  With no pressures from the home fans they should get enough points at home to finish this season in the top 2.

In fact win all our home matches and we are home and dry !
 
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Post by: baggiemart on April 21, 2020, 08:16:56 PM
We've already had plenty of strange results at home  !!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: leeiswba on April 21, 2020, 08:17:44 PM
For the first time I have a feeling that the EFL may not be finished.

The big problem is contracts and loans finishing on 30th June, what if these clubs can’t afford to pay the players who’s contract was due to run out for an extra month or 2? Some lower league clubs will have half their players contract probably ending at the end of June.

Also the lockdown may be lifted but I can’t see a chance in the world social distancing will stop anytime soon. EFL clubs can’t afford to quarantine there players for what could be around 2 months if you take in to consideration they will need a mini pre season and then play 9 games.

They also can’t afford to pay for the testing of the players, bundesliga are testing their players 5 times a week I think I’ve seen and I am sure that will be expensive.

May be the championship could just cope but even then I’m not so sure some clubs would. There is not a chance I can see league 1 and 2 clubs being able to afford what it will take for games to be played.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: leeiswba on April 21, 2020, 08:51:30 PM
The most worrying part is; if fans aren’t allowed on grounds for 12 months then there will be a lot of league 1 and 2 clubs go out of business, they will simply have no income
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: caravanc58 on April 22, 2020, 01:03:23 AM
Republic of Ireland banned crowds of 5000 or more until at least september, also looks like the Dutch are cancelling the rest of their football season.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on April 22, 2020, 07:49:03 AM
Looking less likely by the day.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 22, 2020, 07:59:21 AM
The most worrying part is; if fans aren’t allowed on grounds for 12 months then there will be a lot of league 1 and 2 clubs go out of business, they will simply have no income

This is the concern for me.

How are Walsall expected to pay their players if they’re not getting any income through the doors?

Clubs finances in lower league are already on the brink
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Adder on April 22, 2020, 08:57:23 AM
I assume that at the moment a lot of lower league clubs will have furloughed all players and manager / coaching staff  - I know that's the case with Newport County. How long that will remain available and whether it will still apply when they start playing again without any gate income is another matter.

A lot of clubs may be totally dependent on further handouts from the premier league and other areas - maybe low cost loans from benefactors where possible.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Webby on April 22, 2020, 09:51:22 AM
Will our years of sensible running strengthen us and weaken others of a similar size after all this is over....
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Post by: liverbaggie on April 22, 2020, 10:03:23 AM
Dear Prudence won't you come out to play?
We should be rewarded for our economics shouldn't we,by being stronger because of it.
All other clubs should not be able to survive on its history or sentiment.
Only the strongest survive its the law of the jungle I'm afraid.
Perhaps the football world needs a damn good shake up.
Thankfully our great club won't be one of them.
Like all businesses they come and go
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggy nerd on April 22, 2020, 10:30:02 AM
Reading an article in the Daily Telegraph about how many complications there are even playing behind closed doors makes me think there will be no football for at least another year. It would be a case of players getting out of their cars, playing a match, then leaving. You can't run professional football like that. The only sports that are even attempting to restart are those where big money is involved where voiding a season will cause so many arguments and sports connected to the betting industry. By the time sport returns I don't think too many fans will worry what level they are playing at, but the clubs themselves definitely will and that's where the problems will come. Also how many clubs will still be going after a year without sport?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on April 22, 2020, 10:48:30 AM
Perhaps more to the point is how many fans will actually care.
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Post by: kc56wba on April 22, 2020, 11:00:13 AM
I cant see football starting until a vaccine for covid 19 is found.
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Post by: BigFrank20 on April 22, 2020, 11:24:12 AM
I cant see football starting until a vaccine for covid 19 is found.
How to check every one wishing to enter a ground has been vaccinated could be an issue?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: kc56wba on April 22, 2020, 11:31:25 AM
How to check every one wishing to enter a ground has been vaccinated could be an issue?

Card ( like season ticket ) saying vaccinated issued by government is an idea for discussion.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on April 22, 2020, 11:50:01 AM
What has to happen before football can return? Behind closed doors it pretty much has to be done in a manner that means the participants aren't at risk nor pose a threat to the wider society. That means testing lots of testing to ensure that all attendees  are clear of the virus. Now that is not to say footballers should be tested ahead of care workers etc.. but to put into context if society wants to get out of lockdown then testing on a community level has to become the norm. Until it is then we can't talk about even having a behind closed doors resumption.

The Bundesliga is looking at a behind closed doors resumption in May I think this might yet prove to be optimistic but I think they will be the first major league to return and as such might will provide a model. Equally you will be able to see where Germany is in terms of tackling the epidemic and then look at our own infection and mortality statistics and judge at what sort of level they need to be before football can resume.

While the logistics of behind closed doors games might be nightmarish they are the only way to complete the season. Yet I don't think they are a solution to resuming football beyond finishing off the rump of this season. However it is difficult to see how mass sporting events return unless there is an effective vaccine and that is at least 18 months off.

By implication that leaves society under some sort of restriction on public gatherings events of all sorts until nearly to the end 2021 and in that environment great swathes of the hospitality and entertainment industry which football forms part of ceases to exist.

 
How to check every one wishing to enter a ground has been vaccinated could be an issue?

You don't have to. Firstly if and when a vaccine is available people will rush to get it and it is quite probably vaccination will be pretty much mandatory. Secondly provided 90% of the population is vaccinated an unvaccinated and infected person won't infect those around them because of the prevalence of the vaccine in the population. It is not the same the as current environment.   
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 22, 2020, 12:15:44 PM
Will our years of sensible running strengthen us and weaken others of a similar size after all this is over....
Absolutely.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on April 22, 2020, 02:12:52 PM
I think the current tiers of football will not be the same again.

First, lets get this season finished even if its behind closed doors. Next season can wait until we have this pandemic under control.

As for the lower league clubs, it could be now for the clubs to go part time. It was coming in the near future anyway so this has probably brought it on sooner. At least the clubs will still be around and their overheads will have reduced substantially. If this happened sooner we would probably still have a club called Bury !!

Some of the players will need to re train for other professions. Some of the big time Charlies who have stepped down from the premiership to play for smaller clubs to top up their pension funds will have to look elsewhere.

This would probably happen to the division 2 clubs and maybe some of league 1, if not all of them.

Keep the Championship as it is. When clubs drop out of the championship thats when they will have to decide if they go part time or not.  This transisition will mean at least fans have a club to support.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggy nerd on April 22, 2020, 02:19:55 PM
I cant see football starting until a vaccine for covid 19 is found.

...and that will be a long old process. I heard a scientist this morning - saying that the initial phase of testing on humans could last for a year. That is just the start of the process. We can't be definite one will be found. If it is found, I would think the process of rolling it out will not be quick either.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: east-stand-nick on April 22, 2020, 02:25:17 PM
I cant see football starting until a vaccine for covid 19 is found.

And if one is never found?

I don't like the talk that a vaccine for this is inevitable. There is every chance we never find one. What then?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BB74 on April 22, 2020, 02:26:28 PM
I cant see football starting until a vaccine for covid 19 is found.

There has never been one found for HIV, even after all this time. I think we will just need to crack on at some point and those with underlying health problems be shielded wherever possible.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 22, 2020, 02:38:34 PM
Will our years of sensible running strengthen us and weaken others of a similar size after all this is over....

I don't think it will.

- It would be wrong to assume that we'll get our parachute payment for 20/21 season
- Depending on how may sth's have taken up the early bird offer, the club will have limited income
- We might be able to sell some players to generate income, but with other clubs in a similar position, who's going to buy them
- We could return loanees & not renew contracts for those expiring on 30th June, so saving costs

We probably don't have the debts that some clubs have, but without revenue, the club we return to won't be the one we left in March.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggy nerd on April 22, 2020, 02:41:19 PM
There has never been one found for HIV, even after all this time. I think we will just need to crack on at some point and those with underlying health problems be shielded wherever possible.

How many people will want to 'crack on' though? People may have to get used to taking a few risks to help them get their lives moving again - but attending football matches will be a step too far for many.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BB74 on April 22, 2020, 03:26:55 PM
How many people will want to 'crack on' though? People may have to get used to taking a few risks to help them get their lives moving again - but attending football matches will be a step too far for many.

Each to their own isn’t it. People will get fed up of existing and not living. Much like the Americans already appear to have done.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 22, 2020, 04:12:28 PM
Each to their own isn’t it. People will get fed up of existing and not living. Much like the Americans already appear to have done.

Interestingly, 5 weeks ago, Sandwell was one of the safest places to be, having ZERO cases.
They've now got 776.

People can still be carriers, even though they're showing no symptoms.

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: kc56wba on April 22, 2020, 05:33:35 PM
There has never been one found for HIV, even after all this time. I think we will just need to crack on at some point and those with underlying health problems be shielded wherever possible.

No vaccine found for HIV but drugs have been found that fights that virus. IMO  26,000 people at a football match is asking for trouble without some sort of protection against Covid19
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: east-stand-nick on April 22, 2020, 06:09:23 PM
From the noises at the press conference today, people won't be going to sporting events this year. Let alone in the next few months.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on April 22, 2020, 06:12:02 PM
From the noises at the press conference today, people won't be going to sporting events this year. Let alone in the next few months.

thats the only logical stance to take
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggy nerd on April 22, 2020, 06:37:54 PM
From the noises at the press conference today, people won't be going to sporting events this year. Let alone in the next few months.

Agree. Football needs to stop messing around trying to come up with ways to finish the season and put all its thinking into how it can keep clubs alive during a lengthy break. A decision needs to be made to either void the season or come up with something based on current tables to end the uncertainty. Then all parties need to get together to work out how on earth things are going to progress.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 22, 2020, 07:09:01 PM
But only today there's talk of free to air Premier League matches...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52387971

If they do the same for the Championship I'd be delighted...!

The world has to change now in so many ways. Not wanting to run too far off topic, but lots of organisations are already talking of switching to more teleconferencing in the future. Reduced traffic had to be a good thing.

Eventually - god knows when - football grounds will repopulate. In the meantime the FA and all the clubs need to get back on track, behind closed doors for however long it takes, televising, whatever - they need it and we need it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Adder on April 22, 2020, 10:56:40 PM
But only today there's talk of free to air Premier League matches...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52387971

If they do the same for the Championship I'd be delighted...!

The world has to change now in so many ways. Not wanting to run too far off topic, but lots of organisations are already talking of switching to more teleconferencing in the future. Reduced traffic had to be a good thing.

Eventually - god knows when - football grounds will repopulate. In the meantime the FA and all the clubs need to get back on track, behind closed doors for however long it takes, televising, whatever - they need it and we need it.
As Sky and BT have the main live coverage rights, I'm assuming that the free to air coverage would be on those platforms, so that at least they'd get the advertising revenues as income.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WBArgo on April 22, 2020, 11:22:40 PM
As messy as it would be to complete the football season, it would be fare more messy if it wasn't completed.
Yes, stuff like loans, season tickets and behind closed doors would be a headache, but it's certainly doable. If it wasn't completed then the entire Premier League / Sky etc could go bust and it would cause a chaotic chain of events.

That is why I believe it will be completed at some point. I don't know when or how, but financially it would destroy too much if it was void. As we know throughout the history of capitalism the people go where the money flows.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 22, 2020, 11:25:29 PM
I feel that Sky and BT will be putting pressure on the FA and the Premiership to get things sorted.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 23, 2020, 08:40:32 AM
I feel that Sky and BT will be putting pressure on the FA and the Premiership to get things sorted.

Not sure how they do that, it's in the hands of government(s).

The only sport I can think of where social distancing is possible is golf, & there's no sign of that coming back yet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: wbarenno on April 23, 2020, 08:46:04 AM
Not sure how they do that, it's in the hands of government(s).

The only sport I can think of where social distancing is possible is golf, & there's no sign of that coming back yet.

Unless it’s WWE that’s classed essential in America  ;D only in America  :o ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 23, 2020, 09:09:29 AM
There has never been one found for HIV, even after all this time. I think we will just need to crack on at some point and those with underlying health problems be shielded wherever possible.

An anti HIV vaccine is very difficult to produce for a number of factors to do with HIV itself, firstly there is more than 1 type of HIV, secondly vaccines usually work by producing anti bodies to clear the infection and HIV anti bodies don't do that.
 However whilst there isn't a vaccine there is PreP (which is Pre Exposure Prophylaxis) , basically it's a course of HIV medication you can take to massively reduce the chance of HIV taking hold. There is also Pep which is post exposure Prophylaxis and is a course of HIV medication that you can take if you think you may have  contracted the virus.
Also HIV medication is very effective, so the need for a vaccine isn't so urgent. It's better for people to take preventative steps themselves by using condoms and getting regular tests.


Sorry went off topic a bit.


I do think we will see behind closed doors football happening by the middle of June with the season completed by late July. 3 games a week for 3 weeks. They may do away with the play offs and have a straight 3 up 3 down to avoid an unnecessary match.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on April 23, 2020, 09:52:44 AM
If behind closed door football came free to air it would be very interesting until the do holders got hold of it.
The general public and kids will be amazed at the amount of swearing that goes on,player against player and especially against the referee.
How could they stop it?
Would it be no sound at all?
No commentary?
Or not quite live so they have time to dub?
Just saying
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on April 23, 2020, 10:41:48 AM
If behind closed door football came free to air it would be very interesting until the do holders got hold of it.
The general public and kids will be amazed at the amount of swearing that goes on,player against player and especially against the referee.
How could they stop it?
Would it be no sound at all?
No commentary?
Or not quite live so they have time to dub?
Just saying
They have a scrambler mechanism that takes out the rude songs from the crowd, I'm sure they could do a similar thing here
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: johnny Cash on April 23, 2020, 10:48:36 AM
If behind closed door football came free to air it would be very interesting until the do holders got hold of it.
The general public and kids will be amazed at the amount of swearing that goes on,player against player and especially against the referee.
How could they stop it?
Would it be no sound at all?
No commentary?
Or not quite live so they have time to dub?
Just saying

I dont think this is an issue.

I dont think the commentators microphones would pick it up that clearly and they just wouldn't have the pitchside ones.   It would just be like our u23 footage with less clapping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqm_QwwBdW0

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Blowee on April 23, 2020, 12:00:59 PM
An anti HIV vaccine is very difficult to produce for a number of factors to do with HIV itself, firstly there is more than 1 type of HIV, secondly vaccines usually work by producing anti bodies to clear the infection and HIV anti bodies don't do that.
 However whilst there isn't a vaccine there is PreP (which is Pre Exposure Prophylaxis) , basically it's a course of HIV medication you can take to massively reduce the chance of HIV taking hold. There is also Pep which is post exposure Prophylaxis and is a course of HIV medication that you can take if you think you may have  contracted the virus.
Also HIV medication is very effective, so the need for a vaccine isn't so urgent. It's better for people to take preventative steps themselves by using condoms and getting regular tests.


Sorry went off topic a bit.


I do think we will see behind closed doors football happening by the middle of June with the season completed by late July. 3 games a week for 3 weeks. They may do away with the play offs and have a straight 3 up 3 down to avoid an unnecessary match.

I agree with this. I think the opportunity to get somethings going will be encouraged by the government as soon as it's possible. However, I can't see spectators being allowed to attend matches for a very long time. Possibly not until 2021. Next season may perhaps have to be played or at least a large portion of it in the same manner.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Adder on April 23, 2020, 12:38:21 PM
3 games a week would involve playing something like Saturday, Monday, Wednesday then Saturday etc....
so 4 games in 8 or 9 days. I know it's exceptional circumstances but that really is pushing it and throwing those games in quickly when they are not fully match fit will bring multiple injuries.

There would have to be almost a proper pre season - they have been given training to do (as they are for part of the summer) but the match fitness levels will inevitably have dropped off significantly.

In a way it would favour the strongest squads most, so ourselves, Leeds and Fulham.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Foster#1 on April 23, 2020, 02:22:26 PM
I still can't see it being finished.

Reckon they will cancel one way or other.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: east-stand-nick on April 23, 2020, 02:44:06 PM
I still can't see it being finished.

Reckon they will cancel one way or other.

I'm starting to think that way too. The problem is the uncertainty.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 23, 2020, 02:55:14 PM
I'm starting to think that way too. The problem is the uncertainty.

Think EUEFA might have thrown clubs a lifeline

Quote
Uefa will use sporting merit rather than club coefficient to decide on qualification for next season’s European competitions if domestic leagues cannot finish because of the coronavirus pandemic.

Read more here https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52399043 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52399043)

If all leagues were declared void on that basis, players who's contracts ended on 30 June could be released & other player wages could be deferred using one of the government schemes.
That would mean that clubs have little or no costs, at a time when they also have no revenue, & probably saving the pro game.

It would have to be accepted by EPL, EFL & PFA but it might be a way out
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggies on April 23, 2020, 03:15:59 PM
Well the good news seems to be that they are unlikely to void the season for us.

The concern will be how they work the play off system. Us and Leeds have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league all season, but if they come up with a system that involves us having one off play off games vs a Villa/Norwich/Fulham/Brentford, after such a long lay off, I wouldn’t fancy our chances.

Best case scenario for us is that they can’t play any football, even behind closed doors, and they decide to promote the top 2, but I’d say that is unlikely.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WoysWunderful on April 23, 2020, 04:33:42 PM
Unless it’s WWE that’s classed essential in America  ;D only in America  :o ;D

Wrestling considered essential in Florida only I believe. The same florida that had a 18 mil “gift” off Vince recently  ??? :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 23, 2020, 04:47:39 PM
Well the good news seems to be that they are unlikely to void the season for us.

The concern will be how they work the play off system. Us and Leeds have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league all season, but if they come up with a system that involves us having one off play off games vs a Villa/Norwich/Fulham/Brentford, after such a long lay off, I wouldn’t fancy our chances.

Best case scenario for us is that they can’t play any football, even behind closed doors, and they decide to promote the top 2, but I’d say that is unlikely.

As I understand it, the plan is to use average points.
For us and Leeds, average points either over the season or over the last 5 games would see Leeds top with us second. Even on recent form, only Leeds have a better last 5 game average than us.
If that formula was used throughout the EPL & EFL, I assume the team coming 3rd would be promoted.
If football is not possible at all, can't see there being any play-offs.

No solution is ideal, but IMO this EUEFA one seems to be the most equitable for everybody.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on April 23, 2020, 05:07:53 PM
I'm starting to think it won't happen, when you think about actually doing it there are so many potential banana skins - players refusing to play, contract issues, some incident involving spitting on the pitch, an outbreak at a club or among officials, etc etc.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on April 24, 2020, 02:01:21 PM
This season has to be finished before next season starts, clubs affected by promotions or relagations lawyers would have a field day with Premier league, EFL and FA. Law suit's could drag on for months or years.
Next season could also be effected by virus if second wave hits, so what happens then? Football as we know it probably won't come back to normal until vaccine is found, so all options should be left on the table.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggies on April 24, 2020, 05:24:15 PM
The Dutch Eredevise has today ended their season with no championship awarded, no promotion and no relegation. They are saying that the European places will be awarded to those in their current places.

I'm not quite sure how this tallies with UEFA's statement yesterday, but it does bring back the possibility that this decision could be replicated across Europe.

Liverpool being so far ahead at the top of the Prem, with them having gone so long without a title is our trump card - will the league want to take that away from them, and if they allow them to have the title, does that make it legally harder to cancel promotion? Had Liverpool not been top, I wouldn't be very confident right now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Foster#1 on April 24, 2020, 05:25:32 PM
Well I think it's safe to say another season in the championship is looming
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggie96 on April 24, 2020, 06:23:13 PM
I’d take staying in the champ with the same parachute payment as last year plus the parachute payment from who would of been relegated this year. Would give us around 80 mill meaning we should have a massive chance of promotion next year.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 24, 2020, 06:33:00 PM
IMO all leagues will adopt the EUEFA proposal, with final positions decided by average points per game.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 24, 2020, 06:47:33 PM
The double edged sword

I don’t want Liverpool to win it
I do want villa to drop

I want us to win the league
I prefer the championship

Bloody 2020
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 24, 2020, 07:52:11 PM
I’d take staying in the champ with the same parachute payment as last year plus the parachute payment from who would of been relegated this year. Would give us around 80 mill meaning we should have a massive chance of promotion next year.
The club gets a substantial amount of "compensation" I get another season of Championship away-days. We would be able to use some of the money to further strengthen the team, go out and win promotion. Enter the Premier League (If we have to)  :( and have a decent chance of staying there. Sounds good to me mate. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on April 24, 2020, 07:54:04 PM
Dutch leagues have announced that their season has become nul and void, shouldn't make a difference to the unique set up of prem and Championship where the best part of half a billion pounds is on
offer to three promoted clubs and three relagated clubs.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on April 24, 2020, 07:57:15 PM
The club gets a substantial amount of "compensation" I get another season of Championship away-days. We would be able to use some of the money to further strengthen the team, go out and win promotion. Enter the Premier League (If we have to)  :( and have a decent chance of staying there. Sounds good to me mate.
what about coach his staff and player's are they going to stiil be on Championship wages?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on April 24, 2020, 08:01:54 PM
Dutch leagues have announced that their season has become nul and void, shouldn't make a difference to the unique set up of prem and Championship where the best part of half a billion pounds is on
offer to three promoted clubs and three relagated clubs.
Alan Pardew may be sighing some relief as it was looking increasingly difficult for him to turn it around for ADO Den Haag out of the bottom 2.  However, his contract was until June I believe, so the club may just cut their losses and get rid. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on April 24, 2020, 08:05:04 PM
Alan Pardew may be sighing some relief as it was looking increasingly difficult for him to turn it around for ADO Den Haag out of the bottom 2.  However, his contract was until June I believe, so the club may just cut their losses and get rid.
should go down just for employing that idiot.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on April 24, 2020, 09:08:19 PM
The Eredivisie have it's own particular circumstances and I wouldn't assume that it sets a precedent for the rest of Europe any more than the Bundesliga resumption behind closed doors in May might point the way forward. Ultimately it depends on where the various nations are in terms of combating the pandemic and the football authorities coming up with a way of getting games played without endangering public health.

My view remains that the longer that the game is suspended the more likely the season will be finished either through voiding it or awarding the titles etc.. based on average points. To some extent this is an exercise in clearing the decks so there is no unfinished business that impedes a co-ordinated and orderly start to European competition which in many instances is the economic driving force rather than many of the domestic leagues. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on April 24, 2020, 10:16:38 PM
The Eredivisie have it's own particular circumstances and I wouldn't assume that it sets a precedent for the rest of Europe any more than the Bundesliga resumption behind closed doors in May might point the way forward. Ultimately it depends on where the various nations are in terms of combating the pandemic and the football authorities coming up with a way of getting games played without endangering public health.

My view remains that the longer that the game is suspended the more likely the season will be finished either through voiding it or awarding the titles etc.. based on average points. To some extent this is an exercise in clearing the decks so there is no unfinished business that impedes a co-ordinated and orderly start to European competition which in many instances is the economic driving force rather than many of the domestic leagues.

It's only recently that I've started to get a handle on the implications of the coronavirus situation with regards to football clubs.
- Broadcasters have no product to sell to customers - sky have already refunded some customer payments
- Reduced revenue for broadcasters means they will not be able to pay EPL or EFL
- Reduced revenue for EPL & EFL means that they will not be able to pay players - Some EFL clubs who are heavily reliant on gate receipts will lose additional revenue by BCD matches.
- Some player contracts expire on 30th June, Not renewing contacts will allow clubs to save costs
- deferred payments of existing contracts would also allow clubs to save costs.

- Adopting EUEFA proposal would allow clubs to compete season on 30th June & take revenue neutral position (no income - no expenditure)

IMO if the season cannot be completed by 30th June, all European leagues will adopt the EUEFA position
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 24, 2020, 10:25:19 PM
It's only recently that I've started to get a handle on the implications of the coronavirus situation with regards to football clubs.
- Broadcasters have no product to sell to customers - sky have already refunded some customer payments
- Reduced revenue for broadcasters means they will not be able to pay EPL or EFL
- Reduced revenue for EPL & EFL means that they will not be able to pay players - Some EFL clubs who are heavily reliant on gate receipts will lose additional revenue by BCD matches.
- Some player contracts expire on 30th June, Not renewing contacts will allow clubs to save costs
- deferred payments of existing contracts would also allow clubs to save costs.

- Adopting EUEFA proposal would allow clubs to compete season on 30th June & take revenue neutral position (no income - no expenditure)

IMO if the season cannot be completed by 30th June, all European leagues will adopt the EUEFA position
Have they explained their position?
Perhaps I am thick...I am still in the dark.
What have I missed.
This thread has jumped so much.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggie38 on April 24, 2020, 11:16:58 PM
I still think the season will be played behind closed doors in June and everything will be finished by the middle of July. Let's get through may. There's a big difference between voiding the Dutch league and our leagues. Alot more money In our leagues for one not to mention Liverpool are 25 points clear where as Ajax are top only on goal difference.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on April 25, 2020, 12:00:51 AM
The club gets a substantial amount of "compensation" I get another season of Championship away-days. We would be able to use some of the money to further strengthen the team, go out and win promotion. Enter the Premier League (If we have to)  :( and have a decent chance of staying there. Sounds good to me mate.

And in the meantime we as the supporters are dicked about by Sky once again with ridiculous kick off times and fixture moves for a pittance in the club's coffers while paying often exorbitant away ticket prices. Swings and roundabouts.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 25, 2020, 03:22:40 AM
If they said our parachute payment was going to stay the same I would take null and void and go again.
If we knew we were getting substantial funds so we could sign periera and krovonovic and billic gets another window to possibly offload Austin barry.

However if it gets null and voided and we aren't given the same parachute money then that's no good.

You cant just finish as is as there would be legal challenges from lots of teams ones who are relegated ones who miss out on promotion.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on April 25, 2020, 07:42:03 AM
Just read through the first page of this thread in late February, makes interesting reading.
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Post by: Barrington on April 25, 2020, 08:10:57 AM
If they end the season with everyone in their current positions in the Prem/Championship then we should rightly be expecting what we would have received in TV rights had we been promoted naturally. If they're willing to pay that out to us then fine. Otherwise they should expect to be challenged legally about it as we've spent a lot of money this season on wages etc which was a risk on our part which looked to be paying off. Either that or we just end the season in due course however long it takes. Probably easier for them to just give us a back-hander really to shut us up I would think, but I doubt that will happen.

I do think they can't win whatever they do now though unless they just complete this seasons fixtures however long it takes.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on April 25, 2020, 08:42:54 AM
The only fair way to finish the season (and settle the money involved) is to play out the season in all divisions and all clubs, us included stand or fall on our own merits.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 25, 2020, 08:47:11 AM
Have they explained their position?
Perhaps I am thick...I am still in the dark.
What have I missed.
This thread has jumped so much.
Cheers.

EUFA have told domestic leagues that they would prefer competitions to be completed to determine who goes forward to Champs & Europa leagues, but if they can't they would accept teams put forward based on "sporting merit" for season 2019/20.
This has been interpreted as "average points per game" by UK media.
If it was adopted throughout the pyramid, we would be promoted with Leeds, unknown how the third place would be determined.

As things stand, the season (& financial year) for clubs ends on 30th June, so commitment to pay out of contract & loan players would end on 30th June.
Bear in mind, clubs, & particularly those who rely on gate revenue have no income, expenditure & no income is just not sustainable.

Personally, I can't see it going beyond 30 June without government help.
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Post by: Standaman on April 25, 2020, 10:03:31 AM
EUFA have told domestic leagues that they would prefer competitions to be completed to determine who goes forward to Champs & Europa leagues, but if they can't they would accept teams put forward based on "sporting merit" for season 2019/20.
This has been interpreted as "average points per game" by UK media.
If it was adopted throughout the pyramid, we would be promoted with Leeds, unknown how the third place would be determined.

As things stand, the season (& financial year) for clubs ends on 30th June, so commitment to pay out of contract & loan players would end on 30th June.
Bear in mind, clubs, & particularly those who rely on gate revenue have no income, expenditure & no income is just not sustainable.

Personally, I can't see it going beyond 30 June without government help.

30th June has always been a crunch point. While it was always possible to fudge it with a certain amount of goodwill on the part of clubs and players for that to happen a route map back to normality had to be in place. Normality being clubs running as they were pre pandemic from say mid September and with a few amendments to the schedule to get everything back on target for the 21/22 season.

It is looking like that won't happen, hence 30th June is becoming an increasingly hard deadline. Looking at the situation across the major leagues only Germany has any chance of getting BCD games underway any time soon. Until the public health situation in Spain, UK, Italy and France mirrors the current one in Germany none of those leagues are in a position to restart even on a BCD basis.

Accepting that completing the season on the pitch other than in Germany isn't going to happen at some point the thorny issue how to resolve the leagues this year will be addressed. If UEFA have a system in place and they need one to resolve who is qualifies for European competition I suspect the leagues will follow it in part to push the responsibility and any litigation that might result from it in UEFA's direction.

That brings us on to next season which lest we forget in terms of UEFA competition starts in July with most domestic leagues scheduled to start from mid August onwards. I think that maybe most European leagues might be in a position to play BCD at that point. If that sounds a little bit uncertain frankly we are in extremely uncertain times.

Will BCD football generate enough revenue to sustain football's collective cost base? No, not even close.  Something dramatic has to happen otherwise football clubs will be folding at an alarming rate and while it is much more likely to be Accrington Stanley than Barcalona I think some might be surprised as to how quickly some big names unravel in these unprecedented times. 

Unless there is a clear route back to some sort of pre pandemic normality in place by the end of the year this will change the face of professional football forever.
 
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Post by: baggiemart on April 25, 2020, 10:30:00 AM
Just heard on TV that premier league are in talks about starting up again in June if some of the government restrictions are lifted.  It will be behind closed doors but at least brings the leagues to a satisfactory ending.

If the premier league restart then the EFL will follow suit.

It has to be finished because the legal consequences are too dire to imagine for the premier league.

Personally I would accept receiving the £150 million and stay in the championship.
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Post by: alex1 on April 25, 2020, 10:40:47 AM
I think alot inevitably will depend on finance. In some leagues, the TV money is absolutely central. Maybe that's why the Dutch and Belgian leagues, where the money is not so big, look like stopping. On the other hand, the TV money for Premier League clubs is enormous. Also in Germany, where clubs are saying they may go out of business if they miss out on TV money. And the TV companies won't pay out if they have no product to show.
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Post by: mulliganstired on April 25, 2020, 11:07:46 AM
It is politically (with a small p) a good move for the government, footy on the box will give people something to do and if they are going to allow small gatherings of family friends, it will be a focus for that.

There are massive legal, health and financial issues that can only really be resolved if it comes from the very top with an assumption signed up to by all clubs that contracts will run till the last game by default and that Sky and the Prem will carry the insurance for any problems.  It will cost them a fortune but I would think still much less than if they default on the season.

I think if the Prem goes ahead, so will the champ but possibly not L1 and L2.
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 25, 2020, 11:27:01 AM
The double edged sword

I don’t want Liverpool to win it
I do want villa to drop

I want us to win the league
I prefer the championship

Bloody 2020
I could stomach Liverpool being given the title, but only if the vile are relegated, and we take their place.  :D
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Post by: Standaman on April 25, 2020, 12:05:23 PM
Football clubs can talk about anything they want but the reality is they are near enough powerless to act. The public health situation in Germany is that the number of active coronavirus cases has been falling for the better part 3 weeks it is the only major European footballing nation where this has happened. Every other country the active case count is still rising.

Even in Germany there is still a major question mark as to whether football can return on May 9th which is the date pencilled  for a BCD resumption. There is also push back from some fans groups about a BCD resumption (FFS boys give your heads a wobble).

To put the logistical effort of even a BCD restart into context it has been estimated that the Bundesliga need to arrange up to 20,000 tests per round of games and for further context as of 2 days ago the UK capacity for testing was 40,000 a day.

At the point that the UK active case count numbers start to drop we are about 6 weeks away from a BCD resumption.  This is obviously running into June and beyond that contracts start expiring.

Where exactly the game is regarding broadcast income for this season or going forward is debatable but in general no football equals no income. Without a resumption there is no £150m regardless of which division we are in.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 25, 2020, 03:04:15 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-premier-league-football-could-return-within-weeks-with-matches-behind-closed-doors-11978631

Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden has been in talks with the governing bodies of a number of major sports, and football is expected to be the first to get the green light to resume.
The EFL may get involved, then?

EDIT...
2nd picture down.
The vile lot have a goal scored against them.  ;D
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Post by: section5 on April 26, 2020, 03:53:18 PM
Hopefully get back to some normality soon
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Post by: Foster#1 on April 26, 2020, 04:34:21 PM
Polish football to return end of this month behind closed doors

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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 27, 2020, 01:29:03 PM
Premier League clubs starting to re-open their facilities to playing and coaching staff. I think it's certain that at least the top 2 divisions will be completed in England.
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Post by: ronnie_allen on April 27, 2020, 04:23:39 PM
Polish football to return end of this month behind closed doors

Sorry to be picky. But I believe that it is the end of next month - May.

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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 27, 2020, 04:29:52 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52439018

No confirmed dates yet.
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Post by: Adder on April 27, 2020, 05:01:32 PM
Not keen on on one or two clubs going back even if they are giving assurances about how any training will be managed. Puts a bit of pressure on other clubs to do the same.
There seems to be creeping re-opening going on at the moment B + Q, Greggs etc. It's giving mixed messages that things are easing when in reality that is not where we are at - as Boris was trying to put across this morning.
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Post by: WBArgo on April 27, 2020, 05:16:41 PM
Not keen on on one or two clubs going back even if they are giving assurances about how any training will be managed. Puts a bit of pressure on other clubs to do the same.
There seems to be creeping re-opening going on at the moment B + Q, Greggs etc. It's giving mixed messages that things are easing when in reality that is not where we are at - as Boris was trying to put across this morning.

Rightly or wrongly that's definitely the case. Traffic volume has risen massively over the past 10 days or so, so has walking volume apparently. Whilst the lockdown may still officially be in force, I don't think it's as it once was.

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Post by: gazberg on April 27, 2020, 05:51:35 PM
That's why it will reduced greatly over the next few weeks apart from big gatherings. Most people will be bakc at work and school but I think they will keep the pubs/sport etc closed till last.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 27, 2020, 05:53:10 PM
That's why it will reduced greatly over the next few weeks apart from big gatherings. Most people will be bakc at work and school but I think they will keep the pubs/sport etc closed till last.


Just reiterated in briefing no plans at this stage to reopen schools.
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Post by: gazberg on April 27, 2020, 06:00:27 PM
Thanks for the update I've not had a look at this afternoons updates yet. I've a hunch they will be back in school by the first week in June but guess we will have to wait and see.
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Post by: Foster#1 on April 28, 2020, 02:33:10 PM
Premier league told to make mind up by may 25th
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Post by: Foster#1 on April 28, 2020, 02:35:09 PM
Also French leagues are void
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Post by: gazberg on April 28, 2020, 02:51:32 PM
They have ended but not void.

"The French FA are set to have a meeting in May to decide on the rankings of this season and the promotions and relegations.

So not NULL AND VOID just yet in terms of titles etc. "
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Post by: mulliganstired on April 28, 2020, 04:25:03 PM
Professional Footballers' Association deputy chief executive Bobby Barnes said: "We have been assured of the intentions of all that there would be no resumption unless guarantees of safety could be given to the players.

"The overriding principle for all parties is the health and safety of all participants on and off the field, and of course the wider public."


This guarantee cannot be given at the best of times, so how can it be given now?  All you can do is promise to mitigate danger (regular testing for example) as a reasonable person would do in law and insure against anything that might go wrong.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 28, 2020, 06:12:32 PM
  Coronavirus and football: Fifa medical chair does not want restart this season                                                                                       https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52462233.

This is the sensible option . Forget our ambitions for our club for the moment, peoples lives are far more important.
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Post by: baggiemart on April 28, 2020, 07:51:50 PM
I think people should start stop listening to the stories being drummed into us by the few so called experts.

90% of people who have died in this country from coronavirus had underlying health conditions.

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52308783

So the figures being presented to us are not very accurate.

I also cannot see the difference between ending the season behind closed doors during June and July and starting a new season in August.  If it's not safe in July how is it going to be safe in August !! 

What happens if we have another spike in October ?  Do we cancel the season again ?

I think life has to go on and this is something we have to live with. Wait for a vaccine and we will be waiting a long time.  In the meantime people have businesses to run . A lot of people being furloughed now will probably not have jobs to go back to because the business will not survive being closed down so long.

We cannot have a society run by medical experts.  Lets face it if we listened to everything medical experts tell us , No one would drink alcohol, no one would smoke, no one would eat fried breakfast or fish and chips or curries and we would all have to do 1 hour exercise a day. 
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Post by: Sted1990 on April 28, 2020, 08:19:34 PM
My thoughts on how the Premier League will fair which will no double have a knock on effect for us.

The league will start BCD.
A few players will catch the virus.
The league will be paused 2 weeks in.
Liverpool will have enough points to of won the league officially.
The league will be ended on average points.
No one will be relegated.
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Post by: tennant1wba on April 28, 2020, 08:22:54 PM
but will we go up ??
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Post by: Albionic on April 28, 2020, 08:24:58 PM
My thoughts on how the Premier League will fair which will no double have a knock on effect for us.

The league will start BCD.
A few players will catch the virus.
The league will be paused 2 weeks in.
Liverpool will have enough points to of won the league officially.
The league will be ended on average points.
No one will be relegated.

Blimey I should change your handle to Nostradamus  ;D
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Post by: Baggy nerd on April 28, 2020, 09:20:14 PM
I think people should start stop listening to the stories being drummed into us by the few so called experts.

90% of people who have died in this country from coronavirus had underlying health conditions.

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52308783

So the figures being presented to us are not very accurate.

I also cannot see the difference between ending the season behind closed doors during June and July and starting a new season in August.  If it's not safe in July how is it going to be safe in August !! 

What happens if we have another spike in October ?  Do we cancel the season again ?

I think life has to go on and this is something we have to live with. Wait for a vaccine and we will be waiting a long time.  In the meantime people have businesses to run . A lot of people being furloughed now will probably not have jobs to go back to because the business will not survive being closed down so long.

We cannot have a society run by medical experts.  Lets face it if we listened to everything medical experts tell us , No one would drink alcohol, no one would smoke, no one would eat fried breakfast or fish and chips or curries and we would all have to do 1 hour exercise a day.
What about somebody with a health condition who is 60? They may still have had 30 years to live which has been taken away from them.

I agree that we have to start getting back to some kind of normality as soon as possible, but I don't think the time is yet and football certainly shouldn't be one of the first things to get started despite the big money involved with it these days.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 28, 2020, 10:14:46 PM
I think we could be looking up towards a year before fans are attending matches

So many supporters in one area is just the environment for the virus to spread.

Football in particular has another problem that it’s supporters encompass all ages and walks of life. You can range from a healthy five year old to a 90 year old with under lying health issues and vice versa.

I don’t think we can simply use the message ‘if you have health Issues stay home’.

Given social distancing measures will remain, I struggle to see a scenario when supporters return until we have a vaccine
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Post by: Baggy nerd on April 28, 2020, 11:23:29 PM
I think we could be looking up towards a year before fans are attending matches

So many supporters in one area is just the environment for the virus to spread.

Football in particular has another problem that it’s supporters encompass all ages and walks of life. You can range from a healthy five year old to a 90 year old with under lying health issues and vice versa.

I don’t think we can simply use the message ‘if you have health Issues stay home’.

Given social distancing measures will remain, I struggle to see a scenario when supporters return until we have a vaccine

Yes we can forget about crowds for at least this year, probably longer.

The question is whether there is any chance of the government allowing play behind closed doors and if so is it really possible?...and would it be right to even try?
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Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on April 29, 2020, 09:04:25 AM
As each day passes, I fear our chances of completing the season also diminish. I'm seriously starting to doubt its going to happen. I can see the season being voided, and some form of compensation given to clubs like ourselves, bearing in mind the parachute payments etc. I think the Premier League will put it in the Governments court to make the decision, so they have a get out clause should we not restart the season. As much as I hate to say it, there are still far more important things to do than kick a bag of wind about.
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Post by: baggiemart on April 29, 2020, 09:14:59 AM
What about somebody with a health condition who is 60? They may still have had 30 years to live which has been taken away from them.

I agree that we have to start getting back to some kind of normality as soon as possible, but I don't think the time is yet and football certainly shouldn't be one of the first things to get started despite the big money involved with it these days.

This is something that is going to be with us for years to come just like flu.  In fact there are reports that this has been with us longer than people think

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-widespread-uk-very-start-pandemic-says-genetics-183900585.html

With this covid 19 virus some people just have mild cold symptoms others are in intensive care.  That,s just like the flu. So we live our lives with the flu and so its going to be with virus.

Also I do think the death figures are exaggerated. They are putting covid 19 down on death certificates when they had other problems.  My mother in law was taken into hospital from her care home last week. She is 88 and it was found out she had kidney problems but she was also tested for the virus and was found to be positive. She then had a chest X ray, that was clear. She had no cough and no fever but it was showing up in her blood. Now if she had died they would have put it down to covid 19 but it would have been kidney failure. She's now making a recovery.   

We cannot live our lives like this for years. We have just got to live with it because we may never have a vaccination. People who have health problems are always at risk from the flu but they don't lock themselves away all the time.  We have about 20,000 deaths every year from the flu . It would be interested to see if that figure has dropped because they are saying its covid 19 not the flu !!




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Post by: baggiemart on April 29, 2020, 09:16:53 AM
As each day passes, I fear our chances of completing the season also diminish. I'm seriously starting to doubt its going to happen. I can see the season being voided, and some form of compensation given to clubs like ourselves, bearing in mind the parachute payments etc. I think the Premier League will put it in the Governments court to make the decision, so they have a get out clause should we not restart the season. As much as I hate to say it, there are still far more important things to do than kick a bag of wind about.

I can certainly think of one bag of wind I'd like to kick about !!!!  In fact there are more than one !!
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Post by: seteefeet on April 29, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
Think resumption is very much in the balance. Some EU countries preparing to re-start while others have called it off.
Personally I would like to see it finished, even at the expense of a full 2020/21 season but, if that's not possible, then it should at least be finished on paper, using simple maths. If they did a points per game calculation then only a handful of teams would be affected in terms of safety / promotion / play offs places. The play offs can then go ahead behind closed doors.
To scrap and void makes no sense at all, as much as I'd like to see Liverpool scuppered.
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Post by: gazberg on April 29, 2020, 10:31:51 AM
Either complete the season behind closed doors or not. If not the tables are final. Teams that have a game in hand work out their average points per game and add that to their current total and that's that. You cannot start a new season before finishing the last one.
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Post by: Foster#1 on April 29, 2020, 10:55:38 AM
Dybala has tested positive 4 times in 6 weeks. Juventus / Argentina striker
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Post by: baggiemart on April 29, 2020, 11:15:44 AM
Whatever decision is made it will be made around finance.

The premier league could potentially lose a lot of money mainly to ourselves and Leeds in any legal proceedings taken. At the same time solicitors could potentially make a lot of money in representing us and Leeds.

This is a situation that all parties are aware of.

There could also be a case that if they cancel the season then there could be a situation where season ticket holders up and down the country have paid to see their team compete in a particular league for a whole season. Now if that league is cancelled ,should the season ticket money be refunded ??  It only needs one case up and down the country to be successful then it will open the flood gates for others to follow.

The only sensible thing to happen is to finish the season. The problems associated with anything else is just too bad to think of for the clubs and the leagues.
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Post by: wbarenno on April 29, 2020, 11:38:50 AM
I honestly cannot see how the season is going to be finished . Behind closed football sounds a good idea but I read the other day for a televised championship game there would be up to 200 people in the stadium and for a premier league game 500 people .

Behind closed doors football isn’t going to happen anytime soon with those numbers .

Personally I think they will void the season then start next season behind closed doors in September and even then with those numbers that’s not going to be possible

If the number of people present at a behind closed door games is as high as they said it needs to be then football isn’t going to happen for a long long time , this season or next season .

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Post by: gazberg on April 29, 2020, 12:33:03 PM
Large superstores have around 100 people+working at any given time why is 200 too much?

In fact with the number of shoppers etc it's already around 200
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 29, 2020, 12:37:58 PM
The numbers cited (circa 200) include around a third of that being made up as press/media. These people do not need to be in the ground.
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Post by: mulliganstired on April 29, 2020, 12:43:24 PM
In an empty stadium, the managers/subs/dugouts/4th officials etc can be kept well apart, no need to stick them on top of each other as is usually the case
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Post by: gazberg on April 29, 2020, 12:54:13 PM
If the 200 include 60 press and media then they are not needed despite what their ego's migh tell them. 135 or less?? GAME ON!
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Post by: BalisPen on April 29, 2020, 01:03:44 PM
Fat Gabby on talksport said this morning that Liverpool should be crowned champions and no relegation or promotion.

No self interest there then.

Like I said before the championship doesn't have to restart and can declare final positions stand as it doesn’t have the same tv money commitments that the prem have.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 29, 2020, 01:43:48 PM
Whatever decision is made it will be made around finance.

The premier league could potentially lose a lot of money mainly to ourselves and Leeds in any legal proceedings taken. At the same time solicitors could potentially make a lot of money in representing us and Leeds.

This is a situation that all parties are aware of.

There could also be a case that if they cancel the season then there could be a situation where season ticket holders up and down the country have paid to see their team compete in a particular league for a whole season. Now if that league is cancelled ,should the season ticket money be refunded ?? It only needs one case up and down the country to be successful then it will open the flood gates for others to follow.

The only sensible thing to happen is to finish the season. The problems associated with anything else is just too bad to think of for the clubs and the leagues.

Are you being hopeful mate or what? anyone making such a claim should be barred from football for life. These are exceptional circumstances, if anyone was successful with such a claim, clubs would not sell season tickets again.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 29, 2020, 02:04:51 PM
Are you being hopeful mate or what? anyone making such a claim should be barred from football for life. These are exceptional circumstances, if anyone was successful with such a claim, clubs would not sell season tickets again.


While I agree with very little he has said regarding the virus, this issue with season ticket refunds is a real and current concern especially for lower league clubs if the season is not finished. Yes people love their clubs but a lot of people are going to come out of this crisis needing to bolster their finances by any means.
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Post by: Baggy nerd on April 29, 2020, 02:15:57 PM
This is something that is going to be with us for years to come just like flu.  In fact there are reports that this has been with us longer than people think

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-widespread-uk-very-start-pandemic-says-genetics-183900585.html

With this covid 19 virus some people just have mild cold symptoms others are in intensive care.  That,s just like the flu. So we live our lives with the flu and so its going to be with virus.

Also I do think the death figures are exaggerated. They are putting covid 19 down on death certificates when they had other problems.  My mother in law was taken into hospital from her care home last week. She is 88 and it was found out she had kidney problems but she was also tested for the virus and was found to be positive. She then had a chest X ray, that was clear. She had no cough and no fever but it was showing up in her blood. Now if she had died they would have put it down to covid 19 but it would have been kidney failure. She's now making a recovery.   

We cannot live our lives like this for years. We have just got to live with it because we may never have a vaccination. People who have health problems are always at risk from the flu but they don't lock themselves away all the time.  We have about 20,000 deaths every year from the flu . It would be interested to see if that figure has dropped because they are saying its covid 19 not the flu !!

Coronavirus has only been kept to the level it has because of a lockdown, figures for flu are without a lockdown. The numbers for this without a lockdown do not bear thinking about - it is not something you can just live with.
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Post by: gazberg on April 29, 2020, 02:45:57 PM
Swiss Pro football resuming June 8th behind closed doors. Training returns on May 11th.
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Post by: baggiemart on April 29, 2020, 03:45:38 PM
Coronavirus has only been kept to the level it has because of a lockdown, figures for flu are without a lockdown. The numbers for this without a lockdown do not bear thinking about - it is not something you can just live with.

Take a look at the  figures in Sweden who haven't had a lockdown.

Population 10 million, confirmed cases 20302 ( 0.2% of population), deaths 2462 ( 12% of confirmed cases).

UK figures

Population 65 million, confirmed cases 161145 (0.25% of population), deaths 21678 (13% of confirmed cases)

Of course our figures are only hospital deaths.

So our lockdown has produced a higher percentage of cases and deaths. Sweden is enjoying a near normal life with some minor restrictions but no lockdowns.  They will have very few business failures because of it. They will also see a smaller increase in unemployment. We will be hit hard on both these fronts.

So I wonder who has got it right ?  You can always tell me after the government has extended this current lockdown !! 
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Post by: gazberg on April 29, 2020, 03:50:25 PM
Must say i feared for Sweden and it's population when they announced no lockdown and life would go on fairly close to normal but it seems they made the right call as time passes.
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Post by: ronnie_allen on April 29, 2020, 03:53:42 PM
Population density is higher in many areas of Britain than in Sweden; which would have been a further contributing factor to the initial spread taking hold.
Sweden is also running at a significantly higher rate to more comparable Nordic countries.

Of course the country hasn't been totally open despite not being on lockdown and the football season is now scheduled for a restart in mid-June; having been originally scheduled for early April.
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Post by: baggiemart on April 29, 2020, 03:57:59 PM
But Sweden will achieve herd immunity a lot earlier than us and at the end of the day that is the thing that matters. We have more chance of living with herd immunity rather than waiting for a vaccine.
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Post by: boinging_along on April 29, 2020, 04:01:28 PM
Sweden have taken steps to limit the spread of the virus over there.  Most are working from home, schools are 'open' but a lot of people aren't sending their kids.  Swedes already tended to stay further apart from people than we're used to too.   I spent 2 months over there for work (got back end of Jan), and it wasn't until the last few days when we were in a crowded bar when a Swedish friend pointed out how close everyone was that I realised.  In the previous 2 months I don't think I'd been jostled once, it was suddenly weird to be in a bar and people shoulder to shoulder and nudging each other out of the way.
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Post by: gazberg on April 29, 2020, 04:03:30 PM
Sweden are still more open than us though by some distance and not suffering a higher death rate. They will also have less deaths post COVID19 than us from enonomic fallout i'd wager. Time will tell as always.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 29, 2020, 04:06:26 PM

While I agree with very little he has said regarding the virus, this issue with season ticket refunds is a real and current concern especially for lower league clubs if the season is not finished. Yes people love their clubs but a lot of people are going to come out of this crisis needing to bolster their finances by any means.
Well it's one thing to claim back a proportion for matches not attended, but the inference was to claim back in full if the season is null. That cannot be right mate.
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Post by: baggiemart on April 29, 2020, 04:06:32 PM
So perhaps this is going be the norm for us now.  I just saw an article about what Pritti Patel has said . She said social distancing is going to be the new norm in every workplace and area of the country. Nothing will be the same again.  How that's going to work on the metro on matchdays will be interesting to see !!
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Post by: boinging_along on April 29, 2020, 04:12:20 PM
Sweden are still more open than us though by some distance and not suffering a higher death rate. They will also have less deaths post COVID19 than us from enonomic fallout i'd wager. Time will tell as always.
Yes, but as pointed out the demographic of the countries are also different.  They're nowhere near as densely populated as the UK for a start.  Their health service is well funded and they are taxed highly to pay for it.  As mentioned, they tend to not gather too closely in general anyway.  They also take instructions and follow rules better than us. 

Despite all that they're doing significantly worse than their scandi neighbours.
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Post by: wbarenno on April 29, 2020, 04:14:19 PM
Large superstores have around 100 people+working at any given time why is 200 too much?

In fact with the number of shoppers etc it's already around 200

I really don’t think you can compare a football match to a supermarket mate , people are in there to get essentials to eat and drink . You can not compare the two I don’t think


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Post by: gazberg on April 29, 2020, 04:31:35 PM
I really don’t think you can compare a football match to a supermarket mate , people are in there to get essentials to eat and drink . You can not compare the two I don’t think

I'm not comparing the types of gathering, that would be mad, just the numbers. Also over 50% likely to be sparsely populated when there. 135 people once we have excluded the media. I go to work in my team and thats not essential, we just use social distancing at every possible chance and that's what should happen with BCD football. Everyone should be tested before the match takes place too of course.


Yes, but as pointed out the demographic of the countries are also different.  They're nowhere near as densely populated as the UK for a start.  Their health service is well funded and they are taxed highly to pay for it.  As mentioned, they tend to not gather too closely in general anyway.  They also take instructions and follow rules better than us. 

Despite all that they're doing significantly worse than their scandi neighbours.

You can't quantify to what extent that is true though when it comes to discussing cultural differences. I agree with you generally for what it's worth as you have more experience of Sweden than me but as i said, and if i can be frank and with no disrespect meant to anyone who's been through it or lost anyone, COVID19 has a very low mortality rate in terms of the entire population and won't cause as many deaths than the economic fallout will.

Sweden may not be faring quite as well now but when we look back in 10 years i feel secure in stating that they won't have as many deaths caused by post-pandemic fallout than everyone else will and if things stay as they are for Sweden and don't shoot up then they will probably have one of the lowest total of deaths when thats factored in.
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Post by: gazberg on April 29, 2020, 06:05:01 PM
La Liga training to resume 4th May.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 29, 2020, 07:12:04 PM
Well it's one thing to claim back a proportion for matches not attended, but the inference was to claim back in full if the season is null. That cannot be right mate.
If you went to watch a film....then the project failed 3/4 of the way through, would you expect a full refund?
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Post by: Baggy nerd on April 29, 2020, 07:42:47 PM
Take a look at the  figures in Sweden who haven't had a lockdown.

Population 10 million, confirmed cases 20302 ( 0.2% of population), deaths 2462 ( 12% of confirmed cases).

UK figures

Population 65 million, confirmed cases 161145 (0.25% of population), deaths 21678 (13% of confirmed cases)

Of course our figures are only hospital deaths.

So our lockdown has produced a higher percentage of cases and deaths. Sweden is enjoying a near normal life with some minor restrictions but no lockdowns.  They will have very few business failures because of it. They will also see a smaller increase in unemployment. We will be hit hard on both these fronts.

So I wonder who has got it right ?  You can always tell me after the government has extended this current lockdown !!

Comparing countries is dangerous as it depends on which strain of the virus you have and how densely populated a country is.
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Post by: baggiemart on April 29, 2020, 07:51:28 PM
Comparing countries is dangerous as it depends on which strain of the virus you have and how densely populated a country is.

Dangerous to who ??  the government because it shows how pathetic they have been in managing this crisis.

This is the argument the politicians use when they are asked the same question !!

By comparing percentages gives a realistic like by like comparison. 

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Post by: geoff on April 29, 2020, 07:54:44 PM
Looking at all the options for or against lifting the restrictions i dont see a clear winner it seems your damed if we do or if we dont.
I think the world is in a stronger place to deal with Coronavirus 19 now so can see the restictions being slowly lifted soon their for sport behind closed doors is not far off.
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Post by: BigFrank20 on April 29, 2020, 07:56:18 PM
A sobering thought for you to consider;
Todays total number of deaths figures which have finally been adjusted to also account for deaths outside the hospital system is near the capacity of the Hawthorns
Just close your eyes and visualise a full house and that's how many have died from this thing  :(
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Post by: baggiemart on April 29, 2020, 08:03:27 PM
Looking at all the options for or against lifting the restrictions i dont see a clear winner it seems your damed if we do or if we dont.
I think the world is in a stronger place to deal with Coronavirus 19 now so can see the restictions being slowly lifted soon their for sport behind closed doors is not far off.

I think we have to start lifting restrictions because peoples jobs are now at risk. A lot of the retail businesses will not last much longer and a lot of these workers will probably not a get a job elsewhere.  Its easier for skilled workers to find other jobs but unskilled its a lot more difficult.  So then you have to ask what is the better option working with the chance of catching the virus or not working and being left with being unemployed.

Its alright politicians sitting in there bubble in London , they haven't a clue what its like in the midlands and in the north.  How many times have you seen or heard from your MP during this crisis ?
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 29, 2020, 09:08:38 PM
Dangerous to who ??  the government because it shows how pathetic they have been in managing this crisis.

This is the argument the politicians use when they are asked the same question !!

By comparing percentages gives a realistic like by like comparison.
Club related only 😀
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 29, 2020, 11:12:11 PM
Mirror claiming an exclusive, that Downing Street has instructed the PL to make their return framework into concrete plans ahead of a BCD June restart. Feel the EFL will have to follow suit which is very encouraging for our promotion prospects.
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 30, 2020, 07:35:31 AM
If you went to watch a film....then the project failed 3/4 of the way through, would you expect a full refund?

That actually happened to me a few years back, got a free ticket to watch the whole thing again. Make of that what you will.....
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 30, 2020, 08:57:39 AM
Mirror claiming an exclusive, that Downing Street has instructed the PL to make their return framework into concrete plans ahead of a BCD June restart. Feel the EFL will have to follow suit which is very encouraging for our promotion prospects.

Just read the article, even if it does get off the ground, IMO it's unlikely to be extended to other leagues.
Get the feeling the games will all be played at St Georges Park, they have facilities so that the whole league can be contained in a sealed environment.
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Post by: baggiemart on April 30, 2020, 09:31:25 AM
There are so many arguments going on about the pros and cons of starting the season again.  I think the best approach is to make people aware of the possible consequences and then let people make their own mind up about attending places like football matches.  We are all grown up people and we can make our minds up. We don't need the government how to tell us about crossing the road, or taking away peoples ciggies, or closing the pubs to stop us drinking. I heard one suggestion that when pubs open they were going to restrict people to 3 pints only. I certainly don't need Boris Johnson telling me how to wash my hands when i have been doing it all my life !  Perhaps we should be telling him because he was the one who caught it.
Life like this is going too far the wrong way. 
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Post by: albion59 on April 30, 2020, 09:48:03 AM
There are so many arguments going on about the pros and cons of starting the season again.  I think the best approach is to make people aware of the possible consequences and then let people make their own mind up about attending places like football matches.  We are all grown up people and we can make our minds up. We don't need the government how to tell us about crossing the road, or taking away peoples ciggies, or closing the pubs to stop us drinking. I heard one suggestion that when pubs open they were going to restrict people to 3 pints only. I certainly don't need Boris Johnson telling me how to wash my hands when i have been doing it all my life !  Perhaps we should be telling him because he was the one who caught it.
Life like this is going too far the wrong way.

[...] As far as the football restarting I honestly couldn't care less if starts again or not after 53 years of following the Albion home and away I have realised there a lot more important things in life to be doing and lots more important people in my life to be looking after.
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Post by: Standaman on April 30, 2020, 09:53:08 AM
The Mirror story is bunkum. The Government can't instruct football to return at any given point. It may wish and encourage football to start again but it can't instruct the clubs to do so. The clubs collectively and individually have to be able to operate in a manner that is safe and plainly you cannot play football and practice social distancing. As someone pointed out earlier it does not matter how sterile you make a football ground one infected player on the pitch for 90 minutes and that is likely to be 22 infected players at full time.

June is the latest a resumption can happen and even then we start to hit the contract deadline date of 30th June to get past that requires a certain amount of goodwill on the part of out of contract players and loanees and their clubs.

This thread is not for debating the pro's and cons of the Government's approach but football can only viewed in the context of the broader public health position. The Bundesliga is estimating it might need up to 20,000 tests to get one round of football played BCD. At this point the UK's testing regime seems to be incapable of delivering twice that number for the entire country in a day. To my mind prioritising football over just about any worker operating in the care sector would be wrong.

Football is as ever the least important thing of the important things in life or maybe the most important of the unimportant things in life but either way it shouldn't take priority over anyone's health and well being.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 30, 2020, 11:31:46 AM
The Mirror story is bunkum. The Government can't instruct football to return at any given point. It may wish and encourage football to start again but it can't instruct the clubs to do so. The clubs collectively and individually have to be able to operate in a manner that is safe and plainly you cannot play football and practice social distancing. As someone pointed out earlier it does not matter how sterile you make a football ground one infected player on the pitch for 90 minutes and that is likely to be 22 infected players at full time.

June is the latest a resumption can happen and even then we start to hit the contract deadline date of 30th June to get past that requires a certain amount of goodwill on the part of out of contract players and loanees and their clubs.

This thread is not for debating the pro's and cons of the Government's approach but football can only viewed in the context of the broader public health position. The Bundesliga is estimating it might need up to 20,000 tests to get one round of football played BCD. At this point the UK's testing regime seems to be incapable of delivering twice that number for the entire country in a day. To my mind prioritising football over just about any worker operating in the care sector would be wrong.

Football is as ever the least important thing of the important things in life or maybe the most important of the unimportant things in life but either way it shouldn't take priority over anyone's health and well being.

I think there might be a bit of kite flying by the Mirror, but I would imagine the Premier League is a serious contributor to the treasury, so I could see that the government would want to explore options.
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Post by: Baggies on April 30, 2020, 11:41:54 AM
ESPN's French league corrospondent Johnathan Johnson is reporting that the French league are now expected to announce the season over, with PSG as champions and Amiens and Toulouse relegated. They would join Scotland who might be finishing their season as itnis and Belgium in doing this.

No guarantee the Prem would follow suit, but it's encouraging.
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Post by: ronnie_allen on April 30, 2020, 12:00:00 PM
In fairness to the EFL and the Premier League, they were under no instructions by the Government to postpone their matches on the weekend of the 14th March, but decided to do so. I would hope that the Government may be happy to allow these events to recommence but let the organisations choose if and when to come back under those guidelines, rather than being mandated or dictated to.
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Post by: Adder on April 30, 2020, 12:40:42 PM
In fairness to the EFL and the Premier League, they were under no instructions by the Government to postpone their matches on the weekend of the 14th March, but decided to do so. I would hope that the Government may be happy to allow these events to recommence but let the organisations choose if and when to come back under those guidelines, rather than being mandated or dictated to.
I'm not sure about that. There are a lot of considerations at play here such as the numbers of tests required for players, staff etc. Also there's the concern about people gathering somehow to watch games. It shouldn't just be a football authority decision. It needs to be a collective go-ahead after careful planning and with Government involvement and approval.
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Post by: gazberg on April 30, 2020, 01:30:22 PM
Premier League will be treating COVID19 like an injury according to reports. Anyone whos tests positive will be excluded from club activity for 2 weeks.
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 30, 2020, 02:10:23 PM
If you went to watch a film....then the project failed 3/4 of the way through, would you expect a full refund?
Fair enough. But you wouldn’t try and claim back for all the other films that you watched before.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 30, 2020, 02:14:35 PM
Fair enough. But you wouldn’t try and claim back for all the other films that you watched before.
I get both sides of the argument, was just trying to highlight that it might not be straight forward .
Those that will say let the club keep the money
Those that will have lost their jobs, have 3 kids and a big mortgage

So I understand it’s not black and white
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Post by: SmethDan on April 30, 2020, 02:17:19 PM
I'm more concerned about getting my money back from Sheffield Wednesday and Brentford to be honest.
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Post by: alex1 on April 30, 2020, 02:18:32 PM
The big question is what happens when a player tests positive. Does the whole team go into quarantine? Or even the opposition too? If a whole team is out of action for a fortnight that could write off their chances for the season. Or you'd have to separate  your squad into 2, so that you had a decent reserve team if the first team were in quarrantine.
Then you have the argument that why should lots of testing be reserved for prof footballers ahead of other people who may need priority treatment (in Germany
they reckon on 20,000 tests per round of games). I listened in to a chat with the Borussia Dortmund Director who, unsurprisingly, was arguing the opposite, saying prof football should be treated like other industries, e.g. car manufacturing, which are important to the economy. He let slip that the Bundesliga stands to gain €750 million for finishing the season behind closed doors.
 
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 30, 2020, 02:20:46 PM
I'm more concerned about getting my money back from Sheffield Wednesday and Brentford to be honest.
Me too
£150 from Brentford
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Post by: Foster#1 on April 30, 2020, 03:14:26 PM
Efl players told to expect season cancelled?
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 30, 2020, 03:25:28 PM
I'm more concerned about getting my money back from Sheffield Wednesday and Brentford to be honest.
Me too mate and coach fares.
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Post by: gazberg on April 30, 2020, 03:44:10 PM
The big question is what happens when a player tests positive. Does the whole team go into quarantine? Or even the opposition too? If a whole team is out of action for a fortnight that could write off their chances for the season. Or you'd have to separate  your squad into 2, so that you had a decent reserve team if the first team were in quarrantine.
Then you have the argument that why should lots of testing be reserved for prof footballers ahead of other people who may need priority treatment (in Germany
they reckon on 20,000 tests per round of games). I listened in to a chat with the Borussia Dortmund Director who, unsurprisingly, was arguing the opposite, saying prof football should be treated like other industries, e.g. car manufacturing, which are important to the economy. He let slip that the Bundesliga stands to gain €750 million for finishing the season behind closed doors.

I already posted the answer just above this. They will be quarantined for 2 weeks and allowed back if symptoms have gone.
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Post by: lewisant on April 30, 2020, 03:55:42 PM
I posted the asnwer just above this. They will be quarantined for 2 weeks and allowed back if symptoms have gone.

Exactly, it would be like somebody getting it in the workplace!
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Post by: leeiswba on April 30, 2020, 03:55:51 PM
I posted the asnwer just above this. They will be quarantined for 2 weeks and allowed back if symptoms have gone.

What about the people they have come into contact with? Surely they would also have to go into isolation for 7 - 14 days.
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Post by: gazberg on April 30, 2020, 04:01:24 PM
What about the people they have come into contact with? Surely they would also have to go into isolation for 7 - 14 days.

No thats not true, it would be like everyday life. You just carry on unless you meet the symptom requirements to get tested which are now available free to anyone working who shows symptoms.
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Post by: gazberg on April 30, 2020, 04:02:16 PM
Exactly, it would be like somebody getting it in the workplace!

That is correct Lewis.
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Post by: Baggy nerd on April 30, 2020, 06:44:16 PM
Glenn Murray saying he has concerns about resuming matches. I think a lot of players with families will have similar feelings.
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Post by: paulosull on April 30, 2020, 07:46:25 PM
Lots of quotes from player's with teams in mix of relagation who don't want season to resume, see if they change mind if prem chiefs insist on teams being relagated.
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Post by: Baggy nerd on April 30, 2020, 09:41:42 PM
Lots of quotes from player's with teams in mix of relagation who don't want season to resume, see if they change mind if prem chiefs insist on teams being relagated.

I think the majority of players will have doubts, even those who have everything to gain by playing on - another one Augero making comments this evening. We will probably not hear from players going for titles/promotion because the fans of those clubs will not want to hear their players saying they don't want to play.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on April 30, 2020, 10:41:10 PM
I think the season will be cancelled, I can not see any other realistic outcome, does that mean we will be promoted, if Liverpool are given the title, I think that is the only fair conclusion, if the season is just cancelled outright, then surely the parachute payment levels for this season should be paid again.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 30, 2020, 11:13:24 PM
I think the season will be cancelled, I can not see any other realistic outcome, does that mean we will be promoted, if Liverpool are given the title, I think that is the only fair conclusion, if the season is just cancelled outright, then surely the parachute payment levels for this season should be paid again.
I don't think that the parachute payment would be paid again. There would be too many EPL clubs put at too much of a disadvantage, and would use lawyers etc. to stop it.
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Post by: albion59 on April 30, 2020, 11:48:24 PM
Genuine question what happens to the bet i and many others had on the Albion to win the league if the season is cancelled and we are second?
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Post by: caravanc58 on May 01, 2020, 01:52:21 AM
Genuine question what happens to the bet i and many others had on the Albion to win the league if the season is cancelled and we are second?
Classed as a non runner probably, they'll just give you your stake money back.


Or fell at last hurdle😱
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Post by: BalisPen on May 01, 2020, 03:29:52 AM
BBC are reporting a leaked recording of the pfa rep at Bristol Rovers who said to their players after a meeting with the club owners, efl and pfa that no fans at grounds until January 2021 and 3 teams going up from each efl division with no relegation and then extra relegations places to even the numbers out the season after.

But, the intention is to finish the season still.

Imo only the prem will restart and the efl will not and final positions will be decided on average points or last standings.

I think it is too difficult the amount of games needed for the 3 efl divisions, with police etc and they reckon they'll need 66,000 tests and don't want to deprive the NHS.

Add to that the issue of player contracts ending in June and it all points to no efl.

I just hope the government sets up a grant system to save Lower league clubs like the one they set up for all seater stadia after Hillsborough, with the prem chipping in too.

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Post by: leeiswba on May 01, 2020, 06:42:21 AM
Wouldn’t bother me if there was no football until fans can go back and I know that could be 12 months time.

Imagine if we do go up then we have to play half a premierleague season behind closed doors, just be like a bunch of pre season friendlies.

Also not bothered about getting promotion if I’m not there to celebrate that’s what it is all about for me
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Post by: iwastherein68 on May 01, 2020, 07:11:56 AM
Wouldn’t bother me if there was no football until fans can go back and I know that could be 12 months time.

Imagine if we do go up then we have to play half a premierleague season behind closed doors, just be like a bunch of pre season friendlies.

Also not bothered about getting promotion if I’m not there to celebrate that’s what it is all about for me
Well that just about sums it up for me perfectly too mate, spot on.
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Post by: wbarenno on May 01, 2020, 07:19:55 AM
Wouldn’t bother me if there was no football until fans can go back and I know that could be 12 months time.

Imagine if we do go up then we have to play half a premierleague season behind closed doors, just be like a bunch of pre season friendlies.

Also not bothered about getting promotion if I’m not there to celebrate that’s what it is all about for me

Totally agree with you mate but from a clubs perspective with all this going on the premier leagues money would be more welcome then ever . For some clubs it would be the difference of surviving or not
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 01, 2020, 08:31:01 AM
Totally agree with you mate but from a clubs perspective with all this going on the premier leagues money would be more welcome then ever . For some clubs it would be the difference of surviving or not

I'm not sure how parachute payments are funded.

It's either from broadcasters' payments, club operating profits, contributions from owners or a combination of all 3.

Not many clubs are making a profit, & broadcasters aren't getting an income at the moment, so there's no guarantee that outstanding parachute payments will be paid.
I have serious doubts that this seasons' parachute payments will be paid again.
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Post by: boinging_along on May 01, 2020, 09:00:28 AM
The payments will surely be contractual I'd have thought?  Not based on future earnings.
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Post by: mulliganstired on May 01, 2020, 09:09:30 AM
If they don't spread the money around somehow, there will be clubs going to the wall all over the place.  A months wages for one of Man City squad players could probably keep a club like Exeter City going for a season.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on May 01, 2020, 09:53:29 AM
With the risk of player infection and injury after lay off, restarting the season is just not going to happen, any other outcome is just unrealistic.
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Post by: Standaman on May 01, 2020, 10:01:27 AM
The parachute payments and the Premier League solidarity payments to the EFL are funded by the Premier League Broadcast deal on a season by season basis and are hardwired into the distribution mechanism agreed by the Premier League clubs for duration of the deal.  If the Premier League broadcast deal goes tits up then everything else goes with it.

If they don't spread the money around somehow, there will be clubs going to the wall all over the place.  A months wages for one of Man City squad players could probably keep a club like Exeter City going for a season.

If football does not return in some form for say 12 months then Man City have no income nor do Exeter City. Sergio Aguero is an unemployed ex footballer as much as any of the Exeter players. Man City's owners might try to keep the show on the road  at the Etihad but they sure as hell won't fund any other club's wage bill. 
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 01, 2020, 10:38:28 AM
With the risk of player infection and injury after lay off, restarting the season is just not going to happen, any other outcome is just unrealistic.

I am preparing myself for that very outcome. It isn't fair to ask players to expose themselves to unnecessary risk.

But I'm still grasping on to the "increasing the Premier League to 22 teams and getting promotion that way", straw  ;)
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Post by: mulliganstired on May 01, 2020, 10:49:44 AM
With the risk of player infection and injury after lay off, restarting the season is just not going to happen, any other outcome is just unrealistic.
The only way would be for every single player to agree to be insured against Covid consequences by the money men - puts the players in difficult spot, refuse and the Golden Goose could be toast.
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Post by: leeiswba on May 01, 2020, 11:03:06 AM
I am preparing myself for that very outcome. It isn't fair to ask players to expose themselves to unnecessary risk.

But I'm still grasping on to the "increasing the Premier League to 22 teams and getting promotion that way", straw  ;)

Problem with that is we have to get 14 out of 20 Prem clubs to vote for this which would also mean they are voting to get a lower amount of money. i.e. money would be split between 22 teams instead of 20.

We know what the owners are like in the Prem and how its 'look after number 1' so I think that could be the stumbling block.
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Post by: mr multivac on May 01, 2020, 11:26:52 AM
if you have say a group of people say 30 made up of  players coach's etc and they are all tested and all clear of the bug
then this group are keep isolated  together and in the same hotel and are basically self sufficient  ,and the same with each team and group of officials

why can't as they are all virus free they go and play a normal game of footie behind closed doors ,

as long as the environment /bubble they exist in is virus free no one would get it,

millions of us are going to work and  going into shops etc social distancing is ney on impossible for 100% of the time, we have to get on with it and run the risk , what if there is no solution no cure if its with us forever just like a cancer some people get it some people die ,life goes on ,do we stop sport forever  is going to the pub cinema etc ,to become a thing of the past ,is the world to go broke ,or will the powers to be suddenly say oh well back to normal cant afford this any more, we gave it a go there is no solution , as you were
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Post by: leeiswba on May 01, 2020, 11:31:55 AM
if you have say a group of people say 30 made up of  players coach's etc and they are all tested and all clear of the bug
then this group are keep isolated  together and in the same hotel and are basically self sufficient  ,and the same with each team and group of officials

why can't as they are all virus free they go and play a normal game of footie behind closed doors ,

as long as the environment /bubble they exist in is virus free no one would get it,

millions of us are going to work and  going into shops etc social distancing is ney on impossible for 100% of the time, we have to get on with it and run the risk , what if there is no solution no cure if its with us forever just like a cancer some people get it some people die ,life goes on ,do we stop sport forever  is going to the pub cinema etc ,to become a thing of the past ,is the world to go broke ,or will the powers to be suddenly say oh well back to normal cant afford this any more, we gave it a go there is no solution , as you were

Could the clubs afford the hotel fees and to pay the players wages for a substantial amount of time without any gate receipts. I think we would be alright but League 1, 2 n half of the championship probably wouldnt
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Post by: BigFrank20 on May 01, 2020, 12:45:37 PM
if you have say a group of people say 30 made up of  players coach's etc and they are all tested and all clear of the bug
then this group are keep isolated  together and in the same hotel and are basically self sufficient  ,and the same with each team and group of officials

why can't as they are all virus free they go and play a normal game of footie behind closed doors ,

as long as the environment /bubble they exist in is virus free no one would get it,

millions of us are going to work and  going into shops etc social distancing is ney on impossible for 100% of the time, we have to get on with it and run the risk , what if there is no solution no cure if its with us forever just like a cancer some people get it some people die ,life goes on ,do we stop sport forever  is going to the pub cinema etc ,to become a thing of the past ,is the world to go broke ,or will the powers to be suddenly say oh well back to normal cant afford this any more, we gave it a go there is no solution , as you were
Most of these people you wish to see seconded away will have families of their own are you suggesting they give up family time and life for a couple of months just so a few footie matches can be played?
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Post by: liverbaggie on May 01, 2020, 01:30:50 PM
Someone on here can find the latest available p/l accounts for WBA.
you can then work out approximately how much it costs per week to run the club, just an interesting exercise for someone who can't get out.
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Post by: Webby on May 01, 2020, 03:01:39 PM
It's all well and good saying put them in a hotel etc but what if the players want to go home, see their families and kids etc.

This isn't a world cup and a 1 off potential life time opportunity, this is a league that most of them will play in for X amount of years.

Who knows, each day something new is made up and put out. Sit tight and wait is all we can do.
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Post by: skyclad99 on May 01, 2020, 03:10:31 PM
Someone on here can find the latest available p/l accounts for WBA.
you can then work out approximately how much it costs per week to run the club, just an interesting exercise for someone who can't get out.

That will be most of us then...….
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Post by: mulliganstired on May 01, 2020, 03:12:56 PM
Most of these people you wish to see seconded away will have families of their own are you suggesting they give up family time and life for a couple of months just so a few footie matches can be played?
To  be honest, yes, these guys earn what are to us life changing amounts of money every year, it isn't that big an ask to live in a hotel or a secure training facility for 5/6 weeks - and just like in normal times, if you have a real family crisis of course you aren't expected to play
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 01, 2020, 03:13:44 PM
Someone on here can find the latest available p/l accounts for WBA.
you can then work out approximately how much it costs per week to run the club, just an interesting exercise for someone who can't get out.

Don't need to look at the accounts

Say 24 players on average 15k per week = £360k per week + cost of support teams


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Post by: gazberg on May 01, 2020, 04:41:12 PM
"Hear EFL told Championship clubs today what would be needed to restart. Seems to have gone down ok. Nowhere near level of problems mentioned by some "

Nixon.
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Post by: wbarenno on May 01, 2020, 06:40:02 PM
It's all well and good saying put them in a hotel etc but what if the players want to go home, see their families and kids etc.

Happens in cricket regularly mate , England’s test tours abroad last months were cricket players are away from their family’s .

I appreciate this is a different time and circumstances .
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Post by: Norfolk Baggie on May 01, 2020, 06:46:36 PM
Hi all.  Depressingly I think it is dawning on me that I will certainly not attend any more football matches this year- I think the season will be concluded behind closed doors, and next year will start behind closed doors.  One journalist I vaguely know suggested to me that all of the 20/21 season would be without crowds as well. Sadly I think this will come to pass.  Struggle to get my head around all of this if I am honest.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 01, 2020, 07:01:57 PM
Happens in cricket regularly mate , England’s test tours abroad last months were cricket players are away from their family’s .

I appreciate this is a different time and circumstances .
Not saying it can’t be done, but you would need hotels to be open...hotels have bars, people miss the pub
I can see groups of 20-30 year olds heading to said hotels to get a drink and see their idols ...how would you stop it?
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 01, 2020, 07:03:28 PM
Hi all.  Depressingly I think it is dawning on me that I will certainly not attend any more football matches this year- I think the season will be concluded behind closed doors, and next year will start behind closed doors.  One journalist I vaguely know suggested to me that all of the 20/21 season would be without crowds as well. Sadly I think this will come to pass.  Struggle to get my head around all of this if I am honest.
I just can’t see it, maybe this season, but they won’t start the next without crowds IMO
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Post by: Baggy nerd on May 01, 2020, 10:07:16 PM
I just can’t see it, maybe this season, but they won’t start the next without crowds IMO

Next season is only 3 months away. There is no way there will be football crowds. (Although I did say there was no way the season would be voided when this thread started!)
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Post by: leeiswba on May 01, 2020, 10:20:20 PM
3 Fc Koln players already tested positive in Germany after a training session
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 01, 2020, 10:39:37 PM
Wouldn’t bother me if there was no football until fans can go back and I know that could be 12 months time.

Imagine if we do go up then we have to play half a premierleague season behind closed doors, just be like a bunch of pre season friendlies.

Also not bothered about getting promotion if I’m not there to celebrate that’s what it is all about for me

This in bucket and spades.  No point in promotion if you cannot celebrate it.

I really worry for these lower league clubs..
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Post by: kc56wba on May 01, 2020, 10:44:22 PM
It would be great if football did start up again, give us something to look forward to, but I just cor see it happening.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on May 01, 2020, 11:04:56 PM
It would be great if football did start up again, give us something to look forward to, but I just cor see it happening.

Nor me Kev, it's an absolute non starter, we are no where near ending lockdown then 3 weeks training, then playing the games, just can not be done.
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Post by: SmethDan on May 02, 2020, 01:10:51 AM
.......No point in promotion if you cannot celebrate it......

Trust me Liam, if we went up I'd celebrate like a loon barking at the moon whether I were there or not. I have previous in this regard as touched on in another thread. And if the Vile were to go down as well I'd celebrate even more and then look forward to going into the local sometime in the future and celebrating again. And again, and.......... SOTV  8) .
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 02, 2020, 04:24:27 AM
Am I the only one who still thinks this season will definitely be completed?
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Post by: iwastherein68 on May 02, 2020, 05:00:53 AM
Am I the only one who still thinks this season will definitely be completed?
I think you may well be mate.
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Post by: leeiswba on May 02, 2020, 07:08:54 AM
Got a feeling the Premierleague will but not the EFL, all just comes down to money.
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Post by: Standaman on May 02, 2020, 07:36:58 AM
Am I the only one who still thinks this season will definitely be completed?

I think the clubs generally want to finish the season although there are few exceptions and there is a huge difference between the Premier League and League 2. That said as soon as anybody makes a move toward a resumption they hit a practical difficulty which brings it into doubt.

At this point I would have to be pessimistic if completion could be pushed back by a couple of months rather than something that has to happen in June then my view might change. 
 
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Post by: gazberg on May 02, 2020, 08:38:54 AM
Am I the only one who still thinks this season will definitely be completed?

No, there's a will and a financial need to do and I believe it will also be completed.
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Post by: liverbaggie on May 02, 2020, 08:39:56 AM
Just work out the average points per game so far and calculate for remaining games.
Clubs have to accept it, so do the fans.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 02, 2020, 09:52:53 AM
Am I the only one who still thinks this season will definitely be completed?

And me
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Post by: gazberg on May 02, 2020, 09:55:17 AM
Just work out the average points per game so far and calculate for remaining games.
Clubs have to accept it, so do the fans.


IF this season cannot be completed this is the only remotely fair way of tying the tables up with around 80% of a season completed.
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Post by: Norfolk Baggie on May 02, 2020, 10:05:03 AM
Not saying it can’t be done, but you would need hotels to be open...hotels have bars, people miss the pub
I can see groups of 20-30 year olds heading to said hotels to get a drink and see their idols ...how would you stop it?


Hope you are right mate.  But the more I learn and listen to the more pessimistic I become.  There will be no vaccine on release this year given the progress of trials, and social distancing will be with us for some time yet. 
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Post by: SmethDan on May 02, 2020, 10:12:46 AM
Not saying it can’t be done, but you would need hotels to be open...hotels have bars, people miss the pub
I can see groups of 20-30 year olds heading to said hotels to get a drink and see their idols ...how would you stop it?

Keep the bar closed as per social distancing re the pubs.
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Post by: leeiswba on May 02, 2020, 10:52:12 AM
Just all to do with money at the end of the day, if some one can tell me a big reason why it needs to resume anytime soon that isn’t financial I’d like to hear it
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Post by: Baggy nerd on May 02, 2020, 10:59:11 AM
Just all to do with money at the end of the day, if some one can tell me a big reason why it needs to resume anytime soon that isn’t financial I’d like to hear it

There are other reasons such as starting next season on time, player contracts and sorting European places in case there is a resumption of European games. They also may be thinking if they don't start in June, why would later months be any better? I'm only playing devils advocate though, I can't see it happening.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on May 02, 2020, 11:00:34 AM
I think that the Premier League is suffering from its own delusion, no other major leagues in Europe are even back training yet, most of those are ahead of us in recovery and ending lockdown, so to think we can get players fit and ready to go including setbacks,
 testing and potential isolations, just can not see it happening.
Surely it would be better to stop the season now, all finish lockdown and get ready for a new season start hopefully by November.
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Post by: geoff on May 02, 2020, 11:01:35 AM
Am I the only one who still thinks this season will definitely be completed?


I'm with you Jacko, to much money at stake for it not to.
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Post by: gazberg on May 02, 2020, 11:03:42 AM
I think that the Premier League is suffering from its own delusion, no other major leagues in Europe are even back training yet, most of those are ahead of us in recovery and ending lockdown, so to think we can get players fit and ready to go including setbacks,
 testing and potential isolations, just can not see it happening.
Surely it would be better to stop the season now, all finish lockdown and get ready for a new season start hopefully by November.

Serie A on Monday and La Liga on the 11th are current training commencement dates. I think first week of June we will be back training.
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Post by: leeiswba on May 02, 2020, 11:13:25 AM
There are other reasons such as starting next season on time, player contracts and sorting European places in case there is a resumption of European games. They also may be thinking if they don't start in June, why would later months be any better? I'm only playing devils advocate though, I can't see it happening.

Still all comes down to money though mate, in the grand scheme of things it can all wait can’t it? If UEFA say it needs to be finished for European places then just have to say ‘no sorry, we feel it isn’t safe or practical to do so. We won’t be entering any teams into European competition’ that won’t happen as the teams and the league will lose money.

It doesn’t really matter when we start next season either does it? Sure over time it will get back to August - May.

I think the best thing to do in an actual ‘football world’ is to give Liverpool the league title, no one deep down is going to think that is a scandal even though it would be funny to see them not awarded it. No relegation and then  promote the teams in automatic slots.

Like I have said previously though, if that were to happen we would need premierleague owners to agree to split money by 22 teams instead of 20.

Finances again deciding it.

Basically finish the season now and resume when fully safe to, whenever that may be.

League 1 and league 2 teams are stuffed as far as I can see whatever happens unless the government or someone saves them, they run on gate receipts and there won’t be any of that until at least 2021 so how they keep their business ticking over i have no idea

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Post by: Baggies on May 02, 2020, 11:25:01 AM
I think league 1 and 2 may decide to promote sides anyway. There is one promotion near enough guaranteed and that is Barrow getting into the football league for the first time in around 45 years as somebody needs to replace Bury. Unsure if league 1 and league 2 sides would use that precedent to try to force their own promotions.
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Post by: mulliganstired on May 02, 2020, 11:28:19 AM

I'm with you Jacko, to much money at stake for it not to.
I think so, and the government will support it because they will calculate that a good dose of football on the telly will be solid "prolefeed" to keep us off the streets a bit more.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 02, 2020, 11:38:07 AM
I think so, and the government will support it because they will calculate that a good dose of football on the telly will be solid "prolefeed" to keep us off the streets a bit more.

I think that's a solid argument for the EPL, & I suspect that EPL make a decent contribution to the treasury, but I don't think the argument holds the same weight in the EFL.
I wouldn't be surprised to see football go ahead, but limited to EPL
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Post by: gazberg on May 02, 2020, 11:54:09 AM
I believe the current positions of the leagues from various articles from various football journalists on Twitter are  League1+2 are happy for season to end and results stand for financial reasons. EFL and EPL want to play on and finish the seasons ASAP.

As long as the majority of teams are happy with those choices then so be it.
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Post by: alex1 on May 02, 2020, 02:05:47 PM
Its obvious that money is a main factor in wanting to complete the Leagues. However,  I also think the Government may be happy to allow people some entertainment to look forward to when they are being locked up most of the time. I'll be honest and say it will be brighten up my weekends.
But I agree its not going to look good standing for a minute's silence before games and then sending out another message on social distancing.
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Post by: gazberg on May 02, 2020, 02:13:27 PM
Its obvious that money is a main factor in wanting to complete the Leagues. However,  I also think the Government may be happy to allow people some entertainment to look forward to when they are being locked up most of the time. I'll be honest and say it will be brighten up my weekends.
But I agree its not going to look good standing for a minute's silence before games and then sending out another message on social distancing.


Are they doing a minutes silence? That makes no sense. Just the play the games, get in, get out.
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Post by: SmethDan on May 02, 2020, 02:15:01 PM
I think that the Premier League is suffering from its own delusion, no other major leagues in Europe are even back training yet.....

Pretty sure Bundesliga clubs were back in training early on in April.
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Post by: gazberg on May 02, 2020, 02:18:04 PM
Pretty sure Bundesliga clubs were back in training early on in April.

Yes Dan is right, they have been back a month near enough. The big boy leagues are getting on with it or getting ready too.
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Post by: alex1 on May 02, 2020, 02:32:18 PM
Are they doing a minutes silence? That makes no sense. Just the play the games, get in, get out.
Given the situation around us, it would be grossly insensitive not to do a minute's silence.
They already do it regularly as an act of respect for single people who have passed away.

I'm just wondering how goals would be celebrated though, keeping social distancing. Just shout across, yep!? 
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Post by: gazberg on May 02, 2020, 02:34:37 PM
Given the situation around us, it would be grossly insensitive not to do a minute's silence.
They already do it regularly as an act of respect for single people who have passed away.

I'm just wondering how goals would be celebrated though, keeping social distancing. Just shout across, yep!?

I imagine that will be drilled into them. I also expect that it will be broken sometimes. Human nature being what it is.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 02, 2020, 02:59:08 PM
I think that's a solid argument for the EPL, & I suspect that EPL make a decent contribution to the treasury, but I don't think the argument holds the same weight in the EFL.
I wouldn't be surprised to see football go ahead, but limited to EPL
I’d be surprised if the champ doesn’t generate more money than the top leagues in France, Germany and Italy ?
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 02, 2020, 03:01:09 PM
I imagine that will be drilled into them. I also expect that it will be broken sometimes. Human nature being what it is.
Why?

If you can go up for a header, you can celebrate a goal ?
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 02, 2020, 03:08:50 PM
I’d be surprised if the champ doesn’t generate more money than the top leagues in France, Germany and Italy ?

You reckon? Where from?
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Post by: gazberg on May 02, 2020, 03:13:14 PM
Why?

If you can go up for a header, you can celebrate a goal ?

No they will be told NOT to celebrate regardless but i think people will celebrate time to time for a short while then quickly realise their mistake.
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Post by: WoysWunderful on May 02, 2020, 03:15:50 PM
You reckon? Where from?

TV revenue alone
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Post by: mulliganstired on May 02, 2020, 03:17:42 PM
You reckon? Where from?
I think the champ is sold round the world, there will be a lot of medium sized contracts adding up to a fair bit in total - that's where all the dodgy streams come from after all.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 02, 2020, 03:53:03 PM
TV revenue alone

You think EFL championship generates more money than German, Italian & French premier leagues?

According to Wiki
 Bundesliga           = 1160 million euros
 serie a                 = 973 million euros
 ligue 1                 = 1172 million euros
 EPL                      = £1665 million               
           
 EFL all divisions     =£119 million

Portugal                 = 126 million euros

MLS US                  = $90 million
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 02, 2020, 03:57:56 PM
I think the champ is sold round the world, there will be a lot of medium sized contracts adding up to a fair bit in total - that's where all the dodgy streams come from after all.

The exchequer struggles to get tax revenue from genuine broadcasters, dodgy streams  ;D
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 02, 2020, 05:01:07 PM
Given the situation around us, it would be grossly insensitive not to do a minute's silence.
They already do it regularly as an act of respect for single people who have passed away.

I'm just wondering how goals would be celebrated though, keeping social distancing. Just shout across, yep!?

If there’s no fans in the ground then it will be relatively easy.

It will be like a glorified training session.

Most of the celebrations nowadays are mainly fed of the crowds energy or are used to promote some form of brand.

I cannot imagine someone like Jamie Vardy running round an empty stadium with his hand cupped behind his ear. As funny as that would be  :D
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Post by: Baggie79 on May 02, 2020, 06:28:12 PM
On a more positive note when Sky and Football manager simulated the rest of the season on their very enjoyable live blog we won the league by a couple of points on the last day after starting the day in second. Forest missed out on second by missing a late penalty and then Leeds 1 - 3 Charlton result meant Leeds got second and Charlton did a miraculous great escape survival after being down for most of the afternoon.

It was really good fun, the amount of followers just showed how much we all miss the real thing
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Post by: Webby on May 02, 2020, 07:22:39 PM
Jamie Vardy running round an empty stadium with his hand cupped behind his ear. As funny as that would be  :D

He is such a **** houser I can actually see him doing that! Would love a player like that even without quite as much ability at Albion
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Post by: alex1 on May 02, 2020, 07:53:12 PM

I'm just wondering how goals would be celebrated though, keeping social distancing. Just shout across, yep!?
That's a Jasper Carrott joke BTW. How Birmingham City fans celebrated a Blues goal at Old Trafford surrounded by Man U fans!
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 02, 2020, 08:15:05 PM
He is such a s**t houser I can actually see him doing that! Would love a player like that even without quite as much ability at Albion
I’d clap 😂😂
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Post by: mulliganstired on May 02, 2020, 09:25:22 PM
That's a Jasper Carrott joke BTW. How Birmingham City fans celebrated a Blues goal at Old Trafford surrounded by Man U fans!
The same anecdote where his mate shouts across the bar in full Brummie: "Eh, Jasper, they ay got no cowin' Bovril!"
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Post by: baggie38 on May 02, 2020, 11:48:51 PM
Express and star reported today that the idea suggesting us and Leeds are sent up automatically is now seriously being pushed and that is also being supported by the majority of clubs in the championship as they believe they will have a better chance next season without us in the league. Play off games apparently set to go ahead over 1 match as opposed to the normal 2 leg procedure and those semi final games will be held at neutral venues. Positive if true.
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Post by: liverbaggie on May 02, 2020, 11:57:25 PM
What about relegation from the prem?
So if no relegation does that mean 23 teams with 5 going down next season?
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Post by: baggie38 on May 03, 2020, 12:06:09 AM
What about relegation from the prem?
So if no relegation does that mean 23 teams with 5 going down next season?

Yes they will basically have to have a bigger league with more teams coming down to get numbers back to normal over the next two or three years.
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Post by: Blowee on May 03, 2020, 08:13:35 AM
What about relegation from the prem?
So if no relegation does that mean 23 teams with 5 going down next season?
I'm not sure that many of the Premier League teams (particularly the top ones) will agree to this. They already argue that they play too many games.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 03, 2020, 08:14:46 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-first-club-publicly-opposes-premier-league-plan-to-restart-season-at-neutral-venues-11982337

Brighton the first, more to follow, or will they be the only voice against.
Money will be the decider.
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Post by: liverbaggie on May 03, 2020, 08:54:18 AM
This Brighton owner seems to have a lot to say for himself,who he?
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Post by: gazberg on May 03, 2020, 09:29:54 AM
What about relegation from the prem?
So if no relegation does that mean 23 teams with 5 going down next season?

Can't agree with this idea. We will have less money than we would normally have which puts us at a disadvantage. 2 up, 2 down makes more sense.
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Post by: Standaman on May 03, 2020, 09:30:10 AM
I am sorry but the Brighton argument is BS. It is debateable as to the extent of home advantage in an empty stadium is in any event however if they lose something on their home fixtures they get it back on their away fixtures. It is roughly the same for all concerned.

I am sorry but that along with West Ham's objections does seem to have more than a little whiff of self interest about it.

Clearly the Premier League is keen to complete the season. I suspect that this is the least financially damaging option and no doubt failure to complete the season will have very significant impact on broadcast revenue i.e. the final tranche of BT and Sky money won't be forthcoming and obviously the overseas rights holders will also be looking very closely at their contracts with the league.

This would no doubt jeopardise all the payments which are funded by the broadcast revenues including those made to the EFL. Tony Bloom might be willing and able to bankroll Brighton but he won't make good any financial damage that decision has for the rest of football. 
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Post by: frazzle on May 03, 2020, 10:25:26 AM
Probably an overly simplistic view but for me the current season must finish as a priority, with the timing of the start of next season adjusting as a consequence.
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Post by: wbarenno on May 03, 2020, 10:47:44 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-first-club-publicly-opposes-premier-league-plan-to-restart-season-at-neutral-venues-11982337

Brighton the first, more to follow, or will they be the only voice against.
Money will be the decider.

Doesn’t every team have to agree to the restart for it to even happen
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 03, 2020, 10:59:53 AM
Doesn’t every team have to agree to the restart for it to even happen
Or just the ones that “matter”?

For me we finish this one, whenever that is... then start the next one , no way should we agree to go up to a league that is artificially inflated for one season, it gives us a massive disadvantage and them clowns from b6 a pardon.
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Post by: Baggies on May 03, 2020, 11:07:20 AM
Brighton and West Ham fans will swear this is all to do with CoVID and how "football shouldn't matter at a time like this!!!!", but deepdown they know that it is too much of a coincidence that the 2 most vocal clubs are the 2 clubs who know for sure they stand to lose the most from any season restart and who gain the most from halting it.

I can't say I necessarily blame them, as if I was a businessman in their position I would probably feel the same. If they did restart the season and ended up going down then they would be right that the conditions aren't quite the same and they lost some advantages.

Void the season now and they stay up. Finish it based on Points Per Game and they stay up. Even some form of relegation playoff would give them grounds to not be included. I know what i'd be pushing for as a calculated businessman or woman.

It might be that this self interest does eventually see the season ended with no more games played.

In some ways that benefits us, as we would be in a strong position to go up, but a 22 team league with 5 relegation spaces, with us facing 20 sides who have had time to build a premier league team would put us at a massive disadvantage.

The ideal is still for the prem to relegate sides so that we have an better chance next season, but atleast a 22 team prem would include us for sure.
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Post by: SmethDan on May 03, 2020, 11:50:01 AM
Wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility to see a complete revamp of league structure, starting with a PL1 and PL2 as has been suggested on and off for some time.
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Post by: Standaman on May 03, 2020, 01:47:51 PM
And here comes the truth...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52517532

We will complete the season if you'll take relegation and by definition promotion off the table. Well bless my soul that's what they mean by "sporting integratory" 
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 03, 2020, 02:12:45 PM
And here comes the truth...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52517532

We will complete the season if you'll take relegation and by definition promotion off the table. Well bless my soul that's what they mean by "sporting integratory"

I think they're happy to have a 23 team EPL next season, but they don't want relegation.
Don't seem much point in taking the risk if there's no reward.

TBH Stan, I wouldn't watch televised games if they're just going through the motions. & I'd probably cancel my Sky subscription.
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Post by: gazberg on May 03, 2020, 02:36:53 PM
I would give the PL clubs the option of not playing anymore games and finalizing the tables on average points per game to date or they complete the season with 3 relegation spaces to be sorted at the end of the 38 games.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 03, 2020, 02:43:04 PM
I would give the PL clubs the option of not playing anymore games and finalizing the tables on average points per game to date or they complete the season with 3 relegation spaces to be sorted at the end of the 38 games.


As stated though West Ham and Brighton are certain to stay up under any circumstances except finishing the season. Brighton in particular have a horrible run in.
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Post by: gazberg on May 03, 2020, 02:56:28 PM

As stated though West Ham and Brighton are certain to stay up under any circumstances except finishing the season. Brighton in particular have a horrible run in.

I have no preference which method is chosen to be honest but it would quell all the "oohh im too scared to play" business. It would also cut through all the other muddying issues. Ultimately the PL season needs to be finished, they just need to decide on how. I guess they will run with majority rule either way.

If i were the PL i'd come up with the average points per game table, show it to the 20 clubs and say who wants to end the season like this and who doesn't? They are over 75% of the season complete so it's not unfair to comment on what MAY happen, only what has happened. We cannot predict good or bad runs of form to come.
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Post by: SmethDan on May 03, 2020, 03:45:51 PM
And here comes the truth...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52517532

We will complete the season if you'll take relegation and by definition promotion off the table. Well bless my soul that's what they mean by "sporting integratory"

This is total BS, Brighton don't have a home atmosphere anyway. If anything playing behind closed doors at neutral venues would probably be to their advantage given their soulless home 'experience'.
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Post by: lewisant on May 03, 2020, 04:01:56 PM
Well if they complete the season without relegation and Liverpool just needing a tiny bit of time to win the league why don't they just complete the season on a merit basis because there's no point in playing it out without relegation!
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 03, 2020, 04:16:19 PM
Am I missing something?
People keep mentioning this average points per game thing

Wouldn’t that just mean that they all stay in exactly the same place?
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Post by: east-stand-nick on May 03, 2020, 04:29:08 PM
Am I missing something?
People keep mentioning this average points per game thing

Wouldn’t that just mean that they all stay in exactly the same place?

For the most part, but not all clubs will have played the same number of games. For example, Wolves in 6th are on 43 points, with Sheffield United below them on goal difference. However, Sheffield United have played fewer games, so on PPG they would go above Wolves.
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Post by: gazberg on May 03, 2020, 04:44:08 PM
Am I missing something?
People keep mentioning this average points per game thing

Wouldn’t that just mean that they all stay in exactly the same place?


Here is the points per game table:

. Liverpool - 2.83 points per game

2. Manchester City - 2.04

3. Leicester City - 1.83

4. Chelsea - 1.66

5. Manchester United - 1.55

6. Sheffield United - 1.54

7. Wolverhampton Wanderers - 1.48

8. Arsenal - 1.43

9. Spurs - 1.41

10. Burnley - 1.34

11. Crystal Palace - 1.34

12. Everton - 1.28

13. Newcastle United - 1.21

14. Southampton - 1.17

15. Brighton - 1.00

16. West Ham United - 0.93

17. Watford - 0.93

18. Bournemouth - 0.93

19. Aston Villa - 0.89

20. Norwich City - 0.72


Bottom 3 and Title winner dont change. Villa fans were saying they had a game in hand against Chelsea but based on averages it wouldn't save them.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 03, 2020, 04:45:52 PM
Well if they complete the season without relegation and Liverpool just needing a tiny bit of time to win the league why don't they just complete the season on a merit basis because there's no point in playing it out without relegation!
Without things to actually play for, there isn't any point in even going out onto the pitch.
The vile lot may even get of the drop zone.  >:(
Liverpool may have it sown up, but the other places need to be played for, it means more money in their coffers.
The relegated places would then be opened up for the EFL sides to play for too.
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Post by: Baggies on May 03, 2020, 04:54:20 PM
Steve Parish has put out a great article today which I would push people to read. The money is important not just to keep clubs up and down the pyramid alive, but also for all of the other businesses that sit around football.

On a different front, I wonder how tempted WBA and Leeds would be by an offer from the premier league to forgo promotion this year, but still receive a cut of the premier league money (maybe equivilant to what the 19th and 20th placed teams are going to get). Promotion with no relegation is good in the short term, but with 5 teams going down next season it would be hard for Leeds or Albion to finish above 5 sides who have had atleast 2 years worth of Prem cash and no other promoted sides, THEN you have to deal with 4 other relegated sides with parachute payments the year after. Not a great prospect, it probably plays more into Fulham's, Brentford's and Forest's hands anyway as they have an easier run next season with no relegated sides.

If however we didn't get promotion but got premier league money, it gives us a far better chance of a clean promotion next season.

If the Prem decide against relegation this year, I would prefer the compensation idea over promotion, looking at the medium to long term prospects.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 03, 2020, 05:02:43 PM
Steve Parish has put out a great article today which I would push people to read. The money is important not just to keep clubs up and down the pyramid alive, but also for all of the other businesses that sit around football.

On a different front, I wonder how tempted WBA and Leeds would be by an offer from the premier league to forgo promotion this year, but still receive a cut of the premier league money (maybe equivilant to what the 19th and 20th placed teams are going to get). Promotion with no relegation is good in the short term, but with 5 teams going down next season it would be hard for Leeds or Albion to finish above 5 sides who have had atleast 2 years worth of Prem cash and no other promoted sides, THEN you have to deal with 4 other relegated sides with parachute payments the year after. Not a great prospect, it probably plays more into Fulham's, Brentford's and Forest's hands anyway as they have an easier run next season with no relegated sides.

If however we didn't get promotion but got premier league money, it gives us a far better chance of a clean promotion next season.

If the Prem decide against relegation this year, I would prefer the compensation idea over promotion, looking at the medium to long term prospects.
I’d actually take this, some of the players probably wouldn’t .
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 03, 2020, 05:14:31 PM
I’d actually take this, some of the players probably wouldn’t .


Sounds good but all our decent players are then pushing to leave.
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Post by: gazberg on May 03, 2020, 05:19:57 PM
The 3 clubs that are likely due a relegation are essentially asking everyone else to take their pain for them. Not a chance.
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Post by: Standaman on May 03, 2020, 05:44:26 PM
If football wants the final tranche of TV money it has put on a competion worth the name not a series of televised exhibition matches. If they want to do something else then fine but get this straight no final tranche of TV money or a much reduced payment. That has consequences and they are ugly up and down the leagues.

I don't see the same clubs taking a hit on next year's TV income to pay off any other clubs who might have been disadvantaged by their decision. 

 
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Post by: mulliganstired on May 03, 2020, 05:59:00 PM
I read somewhere it needs 14/20 majority, with the bottom 6 adrift it will be interesting to see a breakdown of any vote!

It now looks to me as if the even if the prem finishes, we might not.  If they finish I don't see how then can then NOT apply relegation, so who goes up?  Maybe they will just have the play offs for someone to join us and Leeds.
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Post by: gazberg on May 03, 2020, 06:04:34 PM
I read somewhere it needs 14/20 majority, with the bottom 6 adrift it will be interesting to see a breakdown of any vote!

It now looks to me as if the even if the prem finishes, we might not.  If they finish I don't see how then can then NOT apply relegation, so who goes up?  Maybe they will just have the play offs for someone to join us and Leeds.

That is what is rumoured.


Teams 3-6 play a one-legged game at a neutral venue and the winner of each game then plays the final, again at a neutral venue.
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Post by: Hull Baggie on May 03, 2020, 09:36:27 PM
What about relegation from the prem?
So if no relegation does that mean 23 teams with 5 going down next season?

Surely it'd be 6 teams to go down next season? The 5 teams to go down would be in a 22 team PL.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 03, 2020, 09:51:14 PM

Sounds good but all our decent players are then pushing to leave.
Exactly...
Does mean the fan base could do some more wanting to sign Gayle though 😀
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Post by: wbarenno on May 03, 2020, 10:55:18 PM
The idea of not having relegation is ridiculous. If they finish the season then they should have relegation. What’s the actual point if they don’t ? Why put people at risk for what would be glorified friendly games. Title is won , 2nd and 3rd is more or less sown up. So the only bit of interest is who finishes 4th . What a stupid idea , I would much rather they voided the season then this .

I honestly can’t see me watching much behind closed doors football anyway , this would just stop me completely I think .

Void or go as normal behind closed doors , nothing in between , if it’s in between I’d rather they scrap it.

I hope all this bursts the bubble on football , the ridiculous money splashed out . I also hope the game realises how it relies on the fans being there instead of just patting us down for every penny we’ve got .

Football isn’t anything without fans in the ground!
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Post by: Albionic on May 03, 2020, 11:03:48 PM
fans not viewing behind closed door games would send a message IMO. The TV execs need to understand that without us they will not be able to sell the product.

If they do sell empty ground matches successfully thats it all over for us the fans sadly.
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Post by: Baggy nerd on May 03, 2020, 11:23:32 PM
The idea of not having relegation is ridiculous. If they finish the season then they should have relegation. What’s the actual point if they don’t ? Why put people at risk for what would be glorified friendly games. Title is won , 2nd and 3rd is more or less sown up. So the only bit of interest is who finishes 4th . What a stupid idea , I would much rather they voided the season then this .

I honestly can’t see me watching much behind closed doors football anyway , this would just stop me completely I think .

Void or go as normal behind closed doors , nothing in between , if it’s in between I’d rather they scrap it.

I hope all this bursts the bubble on football , the ridiculous money splashed out . I also hope the game realises how it relies on the fans being there instead of just patting us down for every penny we’ve got .

Football isn’t anything without fans in the ground!

They want to play on to get the TV money but don't want to risk getting relegated! It is ridiculous, I can't believe they will go to the trouble of getting football started again and just having a succession of meaningless games.
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Post by: alex1 on May 04, 2020, 12:15:59 AM
So West Ham and Brighton happy to continue season if they are guarenteed not to be relegated. What a shock. Who would have thought.
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Post by: beechyboy90 on May 04, 2020, 01:25:58 AM
No point voiding the season ready for the next one as It's unlikely the next one will start or be completed unless a vaccine is created
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Post by: SmethDan on May 04, 2020, 02:20:27 AM
They want to play on to get the TV money but don't want to risk getting relegated! It is ridiculous, I can't believe they will go to the trouble of getting football started again and just having a succession of meaningless games.

Agreed. It's totally ridiculous. But unfortunately I could see it coming to pass. I also see a correlation.

The clubs wanting to void the season and potential relegation due to fears over safety, are those who now wish to avoid relegation should they finish the season with said fears further countered by the pragmatism of playing in neutral venues.

Nobody will ever convince me that Brighton, West Ham or the Vile are acting in the best interests of the game or it's integrity in this instance. Further, nobody will ever convince me the rest of the Prem' are either if they back them.
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Post by: wbarenno on May 04, 2020, 07:21:45 AM
No point voiding the season ready for the next one as It's unlikely the next one will start or be completed unless a vaccine is created

To me it makes more sense then playing a meaningless ending to a season mate . I’d imagine playing behind closed doors football in September will be a lot easier to do then in June.

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Post by: paulosull on May 04, 2020, 07:26:34 AM
Glorified friendlies if relagation and promotion are abandoned by Premier league, and EFL. Only clubs then interested in finishing league would be teams fighting for European places and Liverpools jog to title. Will not be keeping my sky subscription if this happens and can only see legal challenges from numerous clubs throughout the leagues.
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Post by: mulliganstired on May 04, 2020, 07:38:44 AM
I'll just ignore the whole thing if they do this, you may as well not bother.
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Post by: caravanc58 on May 04, 2020, 09:07:08 AM
If any games go  ahead it has to be with commitment to the fans that every clubs intention is to get a final league position based on merit.
Pretend games are complete nonsense, if your capable of playing then it must be with a purpose.
You just know those smelly seals are going to come up smelling of roses.
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Post by: caravanc58 on May 04, 2020, 09:27:01 AM
Couldn't the rest of the season be decided by penalties?
If it's good enough for world cup matches why not.

6 players from each team
Both teams score the same amount = 1 point
The team that's scored the most.     = 3 points

If it's all about money that TV would want back why not just reduce each clubs payment over the next 3 years until it's repaid.
Clubs would have to cut their cloth so a reduced income is manageable, it's what the rest of the world is having to do.
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Post by: wbarenno on May 04, 2020, 09:46:52 AM
Couldn't the rest of the season be decided by penalties?
If it's good enough for world cup matches why not.

6 players from each team
Both teams score the same amount = 1 point
The team that's scored the most.     = 3 points

If it's all about money that TV would want back why not just reduce each clubs payment over the next 3 years until it's repaid.
Clubs would have to cut their cloth so a reduced income is manageable, it's what the rest of the world is having to do.

It’s not going to happen but it would be a lot more exciting then what their proposing  ;D

I was thinking about Brighton’s claim that there’s a disadvantage not playing at home and having to play in neutral grounds . Now this would be correct if fans were in the stadium but an empty stadium . Is there really that much of an advantage playing in your home ground but with no fans . I’d say it’s minimal. The whole advantage for playing at home is having your own fans there . If it’s empty does it really matter we’re the games are played
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Post by: mulliganstired on May 04, 2020, 11:09:50 AM
It’s not going to happen but it would be a lot more exciting then what their proposing  ;D

I was thinking about Brighton’s claim that there’s a disadvantage not playing at home and having to play in neutral grounds . Now this would be correct if fans were in the stadium but an empty stadium . Is there really that much of an advantage playing in your home ground but with no fans . I’d say it’s minimal. The whole advantage for playing at home is having your own fans there . If it’s empty does it really matter we’re the games are played

All of the bottom six are going try to undermine a finish whatever is suggested, if one of Soton or Newcastle get tweak of anxiety and vote with them against, it will probably all be ditched.  That is just the reality, I think.

On the other hand for the bottom three if they were threatened with "current standings" to define season with relegation, I bet they'd suddenly find reasons to play on.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 04, 2020, 11:22:55 AM
My gripe with Brighton's position is that is so plainly an attempt to protect their status that they have elevated what is at best a paper thin argument to a point of principle. There are practical difficulties particularly surrounding players contracts if the season extends beyond 30th June these are potentially more significant than which empty stadium that any given game is played in. Although as often stated with a certain amount of goodwill the player contract issue is manageable although if you are trying to get the season voided it won't be.

I am not picking on Brighton here and in general they are a club and an ownership I have a great deal of time for however while they are feathering their Premier League nest the rest of football is hanging by a thread and at this point I don't see anything being proposed to help the rest of the clubs through what might be a prolonged crisis.

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 04, 2020, 12:38:13 PM
fans not viewing behind closed door games would send a message IMO. The TV execs need to understand that without us they will not be able to sell the product.

If they do sell empty ground matches successfully thats it all over for us the fans sadly.

I agree, subscribers hold the key at the moment.

Unless there's equity across the whole football pyramid, I'm cancelling my sky sports subscription. Certainly not paying to watch exhibition games which puts people's lives at risk.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on May 04, 2020, 04:04:06 PM
Do you guys really think sky and bt and more importantly their subscribers are going to let Brighton get their way?

Sky and BT pay for the drama of relegation battles not for friendlies.

They can vote how they want but they signed contracts with tv companies based on relegation and the integrity of the competition. If they want the rest of their tv money and not be sued for what has already been paid they know they will not get away with this.

It's quite pathetic for gambling man like bloom to suggest this having gambled and backed his manager with a 5 year contract he is now cacking his pants at the thought of relegation and grasping on to any straw to try and avoid the chancer.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 04, 2020, 08:20:46 PM
It’s not going to happen but it would be a lot more exciting then what their proposing  ;D

I was thinking about Brighton’s claim that there’s a disadvantage not playing at home and having to play in neutral grounds . Now this would be correct if fans were in the stadium but an empty stadium . Is there really that much of an advantage playing in your home ground but with no fans . I’d say it’s minimal. The whole advantage for playing at home is having your own fans there . If it’s empty does it really matter we’re the games are played
If I could pick I’d play all of our matches away
Genuinely think the fans are more positive and vocal.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggies on May 05, 2020, 12:43:33 AM
An mildly interesting factor that the clubs might want to consider before agreeing to neutral venues/no relegation, is the precedent it would set for next season. If they all eventually agree with the Brighton/West Ham argument and scrap relegation due the integrity concerns, what happens next season?

It is widely accepted that there is little to no chance of crowds being allowed in to games at the start of next season (if it starts in September). There might however be a chance of crowds being allowed in to grounds at some point in the spring of 2021, maybe even earlier if the world’s  scientists work a miracle. Problem is, doesn’t this create exactly the same integrity issue as the one highlighted now?

I know the reality is that the premier league clubs will get around it by signing up to an agreement to accept these new terms and conditions for 2020/2021, but it won’t stop the fact that it will highlight straight away how convenient the integrity argument was.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: wbarenno on May 05, 2020, 07:22:55 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-games-could-shown-21974530
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 05, 2020, 08:23:59 AM
The following from Adam Crafton in the Athletic neatly summarises where the broadcasters stand with the idea of a no relegation

As we know, every club in the division is deeply dependent on television money coming in, as the top flight knows that the threat of a £762 million rebate hangs over the league. Whether the broadcasters would ever truly press the nuclear button on the Premier League and demand every penny back is another matter entirely.

Sky Sports, for example, knows it needs a strong Premier League for its own long-term commercial success, so it would make little sense to push clubs towards the precipice of financial oblivion.

Yet can the prospect of eliminating relegation really be palatable to Sky and BT Sport in England, not to mention their many overseas broadcast partners? After all, if the television companies are already deprived of the usual atmosphere at a game, should they really be expected to foot the bill when the jeopardy of relegation is also removed from the results?

This was, by consensus, the view television executives were privately expressing on Monday afternoon. Despite the posturing in the media, neither the Premier League centrally nor the broadcasters had been directly contacted over the weekend to discuss the idea of a no-relegation counter-proposal and there is little enthusiasm in either quarter to contemplate the idea.
As one source close to a broadcast partner said, “The clubs want all the money from the broadcasters and all the matches showing but TV will have no fans, no colour and a load of games that don’t matter. We will have Liverpool to win the league — but that’s over after a week. Then it would just be seven weeks to see who finishes fourth — but even then, if Manchester City are booted out of Europe, their place goes to a lower team. The action needs to be competitive.”

The resistance is more likely to come from overseas than at home, where Sky is a long-term partner and has never seen its role as intervening in format changes. There is, however, a harder negotiation to be struck with Sky and BT Sport over proposals to put a selection of games on terrestrial free-to-air television in the UK and YouTube streaming channel.



Update from the Independent

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/coronavirus-project-restart-return-relegation-when-fixtures-a9498551.html

It would appear the no relegation idea has been strangled at birth which is a relief.



Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 05, 2020, 10:14:48 AM
They're talking of having sub-45 minute halves now and starting in June. The desperation of the Premier League is staggering.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Foster#1 on May 05, 2020, 10:30:28 AM
Looks like German football back within 3 week!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on May 05, 2020, 10:36:51 AM
They're talking of having sub-45 minute halves now and starting in June. The desperation of the Premier League is staggering.
That is a very silly idea, it'll be in the long grass by teatime

And Graham Taylor, heard him on the radio this morning, what does he earn?  They might as well have interviewed the bin man (with all due respect to bin men).
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 05, 2020, 11:01:46 AM
Tweet from Martyn Zeigler Cheif Football writer on the Times.

NEW: EFL chairman Rick Parry tells MPs they expect 3 clubs to be promoted to PL and 3 to be relegated and if not there will be "very messy" legal action. #leeds #WBA

I am assuming Rick Parry is updating a commons select committee by video link

Because and this is a bombshell

Wow! - now Parry describes parachute payments as "an evil which need to be eradicated"

The first is interesting and pertinent to the current situation.

The 2nd is seriously ground breaking and I suspect the Premier League might have another round of debate about the integrity of their competition around that idea.

The EFL is over playing it's hand here if it thinks that the Premier League will just hand over the money that is otherwise earmarked for the relegated teams.

PS lot's of Leeds fans on social media think this is a good idea. The rule of the thumb if Leeds like it I don't and I will go with that for the time being.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 05, 2020, 12:12:05 PM
Looks like German football back within 3 week!

Back on the 15th so 10bdays.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on May 05, 2020, 01:36:49 PM
Tweet from Martyn Zeigler Cheif Football writer on the Times.

NEW: EFL chairman Rick Parry tells MPs they expect 3 clubs to be promoted to PL and 3 to be relegated and if not there will be "very messy" legal action. #leeds #WBA

I am assuming Rick Parry is updating a commons select committee by video link

Because and this is a bombshell

Wow! - now Parry describes parachute payments as "an evil which need to be eradicated"

The first is interesting and pertinent to the current situation.

The 2nd is seriously ground breaking and I suspect the Premier League might have another round of debate about the integrity of their competition around that idea.

The EFL is over playing it's hand here if it thinks that the Premier League will just hand over the money that is otherwise earmarked for the relegated teams.

PS lot's of Leeds fans on social media think this is a good idea. The rule of the thumb if Leeds like it I don't and I will go with that for the time being.

Reminds me of Burnley's Barry Kilby sagging us off and the unfair advantage we received from parachute payments a few years back, but when his jokes finally got promoted and then relegated he didn't refuse the payment and insist that it spread out.

Parry should realise that he'll be hampering the teams coming down as they have higher outgoings or they go up and don't invest at all and come straight back down like Norwich look like doing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 05, 2020, 03:55:07 PM
Reminds me of Burnley's Barry Kilby sagging us off and the unfair advantage we received from parachute payments a few years back, but when his jokes finally got promoted and then relegated he didn't refuse the payment and insist that it spread out.

Parry should realise that he'll be hampering the teams coming down as they have higher outgoings or they go up and don't invest at all and come straight back down like Norwich look like doing.

This is hugely complex issue. There is no simple solution and as soon as somebody offers up a simple solution it disintegrates under the weight of unintended consequences (a bit like FFP).

I dislike Parry's sudden announcement because it is an eye catching piece of grandstanding which is focussing on something that Parry and the EFL have no control over. It is PL money and the PL decide how to distribute it so to a degree Parry can sit back down in the cheap seats and go back to counting money he hasn't got.

That is not to say football finance is anything other than a complete and utter shambles. Is it ripe for reform but picking at one problem and fixing it is in all probability create another.   
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 05, 2020, 04:02:55 PM
This is hugely complex issue. There is no simple solution and as soon as somebody offers up a simple solution it disintegrates under the weight of unintended consequences (a bit like FFP).

I dislike Parry's sudden announcement because it is an eye catching piece of grandstanding which is focussing on something that Parry and the EFL have no control over. It is PL money and the PL decide how to distribute it so to a degree Parry can sit back down in the cheap seats and go back to counting money he hasn't got.

That is not to say football finance is anything other than a complete and utter shambles. Is it ripe for reform but picking at one problem and fixing it is in all probability create another.   


The Accrington chairman seems delighted by Parry's comments today. I just can't see how relegated Premier League teams can survive FFP without Parachute Payments. Especially if an EFL salary cap is introduced.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on May 05, 2020, 06:01:07 PM
This is hugely complex issue. There is no simple solution and as soon as somebody offers up a simple solution it disintegrates under the weight of unintended consequences (a bit like FFP).

I dislike Parry's sudden announcement because it is an eye catching piece of grandstanding which is focussing on something that Parry and the EFL have no control over. It is PL money and the PL decide how to distribute it so to a degree Parry can sit back down in the cheap seats and go back to counting money he hasn't got.

That is not to say football finance is anything other than a complete and utter shambles. Is it ripe for reform but picking at one problem and fixing it is in all probability create another.   

It's not football it is the idiots who seem to lose all sense when they are in charge of football club.

A recent example I saw of this was on Sunderland til I die where their owner Donald is told even his bid of £1.25m is way over the worth of will grigg by his manager and chief scout.

What does he do, withdraw the bid?

No, he increases it to £3m in the last hour of the transfer window.

Lunancy caused by number of factors including star struck owners like Simon Jordan and Donald and the transfer window amongst other things.

FFP is not the answer and is joke.

Allow people to invest, but just stop them by doing it by giving loans to the club.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 05, 2020, 06:59:08 PM

The Accrington chairman seems delighted by Parry's comments today. I just can't see how relegated Premier League teams can survive FFP without Parachute Payments. Especially if an EFL salary cap is introduced.

FFP is not fit for purpose.

But I don’t see how you can operate a fair play scheme and then award a relegated side £30million

Where’s the fairness in that?

Other clubs are forced to spend more just to keep in competition with those who get a lucrative windfall for failing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on May 05, 2020, 08:34:53 PM
Its like when an MP loses his seat he gets all sorts of payments,for failing.
Its like a football manager who gets millions for failure.
Its like the old RBS  CEO who gets a knighthood and a golden handshake/pension for failing.
And so it goes on,some can't lose.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: California Dreaming on May 05, 2020, 11:39:55 PM
But without parachute payments any relegated club would face almost certain insolvency, stuck with player contracts which, even with relegation clauses, would be unaffordable. The only sensible option for any of the “at risk” premier league clubs would be to continue to pay championship level wages, making the gap between the big 6 even greater than now. I read some fans saying that we are only at the top because of our parachute payments, but we get less than Fulham, Cardiff and Huddersfield and the same as Stoke and Swansea. If these payments are such an advantage why are only us and Fulham challenging?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on May 06, 2020, 07:33:01 AM
Don't know why Parry was given the job, completely out of his depth he should be getting better deals for live games and doing due diligence on investors who want to own a club.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggies on May 06, 2020, 11:46:06 AM
From one ex Liverpool board member to another, now Christian Purslow at the Villa has come out to effectively back the Brighton/West Ham position. Although he hasn’t said it out right, he has hinted that the only way they would agree to playing out the season at neutral venues would be to remove relegation.

None of the clubs in the bottom 4 had up to this point said anything, probably because they know if they push too hard they could get hit by a system of relegation by PPG instead. The fact that Purslow has now shown his hand could mean 1 of 2 things; either he is making a very risky statement that could backfire and result in Villa going down without kicking a ball, or that he and the Villa hierarchy have worked out that there is not enough support for the idea deciding relegation based on points per game. Takin the view that he is a good businessman and would not risk option a, I think this is probably a sign that he knows there is not much support for relegating teams via points per game or current league positions.

It says to me that relegation could be about to come off the table. Bad news for us. A 22 team premier league next season would be logistically difficult. (Unless they get rid of the international breaks and the cup competitions,
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 06, 2020, 01:55:34 PM
Tweeter Thread from Rob Draper Mail on Sunday Chief Football Correspondent concerning the Premier League's machinations
Rob Draper @draper_rob

Only 2 options on table will be:
1. Curtail the season, most likely on points per game
2. Play on with neutral grounds

No relegation just isn’t an option

Presumably the bottom 3, though opposed to neutral venues, aren’t going to vote for curtailment!

Nor is anyone from Southampton up. Bad though neutral venues is, it’s much better for clubs economically than curtailment. So in theory there should be 17 in favour, only clubs with a vested interest in curtailment would be Brighton, West Ham (the two most vocal) and Watford, who on points per game are 15th 16th 17th and avoid relegation. It just makes no sense for anyone else.

Given that you only need 14/20 votes to pass a motion, I would say West Ham, Brighton and Watford are overplaying their hand if they’re suggesting the vote would be tight (the caveat being medical advice might make all this redundant)

The real issues in play, which *could* prevent a restart, is medical advisors not being comfortable. So the list of questions from club doctors revealed by @TheAthleticUK is significant.

To win players over, you’d have to win doctors over
 
Otherwise the only game in town for Villa, Bournemouth + Norwich is to argue for home and away games or no relegation
But neither of those are going to happen

So Brighton, West Ham and Watford look increasingly isolated

They don’t have the votes


This kind of makes sense. The choice for the bottom 3 is play on or relegation. Voiding the season plainly has some major financial implications but Brighton etc... would rather take that hit than the bigger hit of relegation into a very uncertain world of the EFL.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 06, 2020, 02:37:19 PM
Journos on Twitter saying there are definite elements of sporting sabotage going on in the PL. Apparently one of the Doctors whose name has been put in with the " it's not safe to resume under any circumstances" brigade disputes ever saying such a thing.

Statement expected later interesting to see if it happens, i will keep an eye on Twitter.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: lewisant on May 06, 2020, 03:30:08 PM
Journos on Twitter saying there are definite elements of sporting sabotage going on in the PL. Apparently one of the Doctors whose name has been put in with the " it's not safe to resume under any circumstances" brigade disputes ever saying such a thing.

Statement expected later interesting to see if it happens, i will keep an eye on Twitter.

The plot thickens! Probably doctors from Villa, Norwich and whichever other team is in the bottom 3...I'm beginning to forget!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 06, 2020, 03:42:07 PM
Bournemouth are 18th at the moment mate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on May 06, 2020, 04:00:57 PM
Just a repeat of what has been said before, Sky and the Prem between them will have to agree a comprehensive insurance policy for all eventualities, they won't get a company to cover them, so they will have to carry it themselves - this will be a big job for lawyers, but doable.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on May 06, 2020, 05:30:37 PM
I knew it when the Brighton owner piped up that it would be the dark side that was influencing his thinking and and now we have proof with the statement from Purslow.

Rumour has it the top 6 are insisting on relagation bottom s hit, I mean six want no relegation.

Well there one choice left the current standings stand or closed neutral grounds.

Nobody is risking behind closed doors games which are glorified friendlies.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on May 06, 2020, 05:39:56 PM
Angela Merkle has announced that the Bundesliga can commence in mid-May. I hope that our leagues get the green light from the UK Government similarly
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 06, 2020, 05:41:36 PM
No relegation is a total non starter. The bottom three will soon crumble when it becomes a binary choice between neutral venues or average ppg.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggies on May 06, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
They only have a couple of weeks left before they have to make a final decision.

14th placed Southampton are nearly safe, so they might be more prepared to vote for nuetral venues AND relegation. It just depends on if the premier league are confident that this wouldn't leave them open for a lawsuit.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on May 06, 2020, 06:01:24 PM
I am genuinely surprised that there was never any "nuclear" article in the constitution of the Prem and/or the contracts with Sky about how to complete a curtailed season, or at least a mechanism for deciding how to do it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 06, 2020, 06:03:07 PM
I am genuinely surprised that there was never any "nuclear" article in the constitution of the Prem and/or the contracts with Sky about how to complete a curtailed season, or at least a mechanism for deciding how to do it.

Can they now implement this going forward or would it need votiing on?

I can't see how they cannot get something like this down in writing now for any future eventualities.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on May 06, 2020, 06:12:08 PM
Can they now implement this going forward or would it need votiing on?

I can't see how they cannot get something like this down in writing now for any future eventualities.
I'm sure they will now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on May 06, 2020, 06:16:01 PM
Positive that German football is officially ready to resume, hopefully season finishes with Albion back on the big time and those seals down the road heading for oblivion.  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 06, 2020, 06:22:43 PM
Yes looking forward to the Bundesliga returning. The first game televised will have an insane amount of viewers!


If Villa go down they are deep in the doo-doo. McGinn and Grealish will have to go to balance the books at least.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BB74 on May 06, 2020, 06:27:17 PM
They only have a couple of weeks left before they have to make a final decision.

14th placed Southampton are nearly safe, so they might be more prepared to vote for nuetral venues AND relegation. It just depends on if the premier league are confident that this wouldn't leave them open for a lawsuit.

From how I now see it the PL is a private club of which teams are invited to compete in. Don’t like the clear majority of the rules set by its members (20 clubs) then they (Villa) are free to leave.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 06, 2020, 06:56:27 PM
wheres this talk of neutral grounds come from?

Surely every ground is neutral if the ground is empty!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: albion59 on May 06, 2020, 07:11:13 PM
wheres this talk of neutral grounds come from?

Surely every ground is neutral if the ground is empty!!
They think/know that if they have Home and Away games large numbers of fans are going to gather outside the grounds.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 06, 2020, 07:17:14 PM
They think/know that if they have Home and Away games large numbers of fans are going to gather outside the grounds.
Man Utd can’t play in London then😄

If any of you watched the Belarusian over recent weeks, you’ll want this season on soon .
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 06, 2020, 07:35:47 PM
wheres this talk of neutral grounds come from?

Surely every ground is neutral if the ground is empty!!


They are, imo rightly, concerned about fans congregating outside stadia.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 06, 2020, 07:52:10 PM

They are, imo rightly, concerned about fans congregating outside stadia.

They think/know that if they have Home and Away games large numbers of fans are going to gather outside the grounds.

Thanks both

Just highlights the stupidity of bringing back football in my view
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 06, 2020, 07:53:17 PM
Home teams would be more relaxed in their familiar surroundings.
They had to play away games before with the slight disadvantage, this time they will get the slight advantage.
Quid pro quo. Tit for tat.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on May 07, 2020, 10:53:04 AM
Being reported that prem will relagate bottom three if they try and scupper the resumption of games. Just need the EFL to use points per games to really pee of those seals  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 07, 2020, 11:21:17 AM
Being reported that prem will relagate bottom three if they try and scupper the resumption of games. Just need the EFL to use points per games to really pee of those seals  ;D
Now wouldn't that be something! bring it on.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on May 07, 2020, 12:57:22 PM
If the PL gets the green light to re-start, I really hope the Government forces them to show free-to-air TV.  Of course Sky and BT hold alot of the cards, but ultimately the Government has the power to tell them, its free-to-air or nothing at all.  Would Sky and BT really prefer the latter option?  (P.S. Also interesting to see whether German government do the same, as Sky cover all live games there from Bundesliga 1 & 2). 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 07, 2020, 07:37:37 PM
If the PL gets the green light to re-start, I really hope the Government forces them to show free-to-air TV.  Of course Sky and BT hold alot of the cards, but ultimately the Government has the power to tell them, its free-to-air or nothing at all.  Would Sky and BT really prefer the latter option?  (P.S. Also interesting to see whether German government do the same, as Sky cover all live games there from Bundesliga 1 & 2).

The Premier League is an independent entertainment business, with the major part of it's funding coming from subscription broadcasters.
The only thing the government can do is to ensure that the Premier League carry out their business lawfully.
As I understand it, there is an arrangement for season ticket holders to watch their own club's games foc on an online streaming service.

I pay circa £500 per year for sky sports, think I'd be a bit miffed if televised games were available foc for non-subscribers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: albion59 on May 07, 2020, 07:46:44 PM
The Premier League is an independent entertainment business, with the major part of it's funding coming from subscription broadcasters.
The only thing the government can do is to ensure that the Premier League carry out their business lawfully.
As I understand it, there is an arrangement for season ticket holders to watch their own club's games foc on an online streaming service.

I pay circa £500 per year for sky sports, think I'd be a bit miffed if televised games were available foc for non-subscribers.
That's your choice i pay £400 for a season ticket and I'm a bit miffed when people get in for a tenner a game but hey ho that's life.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 07, 2020, 07:56:49 PM
That's your choice i pay £400 for a season ticket and I'm a bit miffed when people get in for a tenner a game but hey ho that's life.

Think you're missing the point, I'm a HSTH as well, but I also subscribe to sky sports, so I can watch EPL games on a Sunday.

I haven't got a problem with the subscription channels offering Albion games to STH's, although others have said on here that they are currently well out of pocket with pre-booked away games, so if I was in their shoes, I'd be a bit miffed.

Where I would be miffed is if all games, were broadcast foc
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: leeiswba on May 07, 2020, 08:12:21 PM
Has there been anything said about the away tickets? I’ve got Brentford and Sheffield Wednesday tickets but not seen anything.

Not in any rush just wondered if I’d missed something
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 07, 2020, 08:19:11 PM
Has there been anything said about the away tickets? I’ve got Brentford and Sheffield Wednesday tickets but not seen anything.

Not in any rush just wondered if I’d missed something

Not that I'm aware of Lee, I was just using the away ticket issue to illustrate a point.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 07, 2020, 08:26:40 PM
All the noises suggest that the games already planned for Sky/BT broadcast will remain that way. Discussion is around the other 45 matches which will almost certainly be streamed live on the PL website or youtube. I don't envisage them giving much if anything to terrestrial tv.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: albion59 on May 07, 2020, 09:07:00 PM
Think you're missing the point, I'm a HSTH as well, but I also subscribe to sky sports, so I can watch EPL games on a Sunday.

I haven't got a problem with the subscription channels offering Albion games to STH's, although others have said on here that they are currently well out of pocket with pre-booked away games, so if I was in their shoes, I'd be a bit miffed.

Where I would be miffed is if all games, were broadcast foc
No problem, i just dont like sky killed football for me haven't got it and will never get!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on May 08, 2020, 02:03:03 AM
No problem, i just dont like sky killed football for me haven't got it and will never get!

Can't stand Sky, never had it and I have no plans to but my feelings are mixed re what's happened to our game. They and their money were much needed at the time as the game in this country was dying on it's feet. They pumped the cash in and provided a means to revival. It's not Sky's fault we weren't on board for the initial gravy train having slipped off the train platform in a befuddled haze of complacency. Equally it's not their fault as to how their money was spent once paid over. That said Sky and football appear to be the twin golden geese which may end up pecking each other to death.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tuamigos on May 08, 2020, 08:03:49 AM
If the PL gets the green light to re-start, I really hope the Government forces them to show free-to-air TV.  Of course Sky and BT hold alot of the cards, but ultimately the Government has the power to tell them, its free-to-air or nothing at all.  Would Sky and BT really prefer the latter option?  (P.S. Also interesting to see whether German government do the same, as Sky cover all live games there from Bundesliga 1 & 2).

I'm pretty sure Sky have water tight contracts relating to screening games.
I can't see where government could legally intervene
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 08, 2020, 09:29:33 AM
I'm pretty sure Sky have water tight contracts relating to screening games.
I can't see where government could legally intervene

They don't have the power to compel the Broadcasters to do anything although there is an "independent" industry watchdog called OFCOM which can make rulings on how the industry is run. A Government could quite easily suggest to a broadcaster that how the industry is run in the future might not favour them as much as it does in the present if the broadcaster does not help out in troubled times, maybe with a bit of "free" product on a terrestrial platform. Not saying this would happen of course and it may not happen at all in these times when BT exec y is not at an event with Senior Civil Servant x or Government Minister z.

In other news it is being reported by the Athletic that League 1 and League 2 clubs are being told that the EFL will officially be  curtailed and the only discussion is how the final standings will be decided. This is overdue it is self evident that clubs at this level can't play without spectators and costs of getting games on behind closed doors would be ruinous for most of them unless additional finance could be find from somewhere. The only somewhere in English football is the Premier League and they have their own problems right now. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggies on May 08, 2020, 10:08:46 AM
What I find interesting in the project restart discussions and now the planned league 1/league 2 early finish, is that I don’t actually recall any plans being leaked about the restart of the Championship. I suppose it is difficult as they are waiting for the Premier to make a decision - if the Prem don’t restart then little point in the championship doing the same - but you would think you would have heard something by now.

I wonder if there is a realistic plan to restart the championship, or do the EFL expect us also to be finished based on PPG?

It could be that they don’t want to make that call before the top flight make their decision, as it could be used against them and see relegation took off the table.

From a selfish perspective though, it would work very well for us if they did negotiate relegation from the prem but then called off the rest of our season. Guaranteed promotion.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 08, 2020, 10:16:05 AM
Can't stand Sky, never had it and I have no plans to but my feelings are mixed re what's happened to our game. They and their money were much needed at the time as the game in this country was dying on it's feet. They pumped the cash in and provided a means to revival. It's not Sky's fault we weren't on board for the initial gravy train having slipped off the train platform in a befuddled haze of complacency. Equally it's not their fault as to how their money was spent once paid over. That said Sky and football appear to be the twin golden geese which may end up pecking each other to death.

Great analogy. Like that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 08, 2020, 10:18:50 AM
No problem, i just dont like sky killed football for me haven't got it and will never get!

I get SmethDan's comments about Sky's money being a necessary evil but in my heart I'm with this comment. Football was for the 'working man' and I wish today's stars weren't so lofty... remember the players used to drink in the same pubs as us.

(Sorry mods I realise this is veering a bit off corona topic!)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: hillsm on May 08, 2020, 10:56:39 AM
What I find interesting in the project restart discussions and now the planned league 1/league 2 early finish, is that I don’t actually recall any plans being leaked about the restart of the Championship. I suppose it is difficult as they are waiting for the Premier to make a decision - if the Prem don’t restart then little point in the championship doing the same - but you would think you would have heard something by now.

I wonder if there is a realistic plan to restart the championship, or do the EFL expect us also to be finished based on PPG?

It could be that they don’t want to make that call before the top flight make their decision, as it could be used against them and see relegation took off the table.

From a selfish perspective though, it would work very well for us if they did negotiate relegation from the prem but then called off the rest of our season. Guaranteed promotion.

I think we will be at a massive disadvantage if we were promoted without kicking another ball this season. You have to remember that we are very much a work in progress, where our new manager is still getting his ideas across to the playing staff. The more opportunity he has to do this, the better prepared we would be for PL football. Think back across this season how we have improved defensively yet we're still not watertight at the back. For instance, I think it's no coincidence how well Sheffield Utd have done this season, they've had a core group of players working under the same manager for a number of years. Player for player I think many would take the Villa squad over Sheffield Utd's, but the Blades have the benefit of continuity and have had time for the manager to work with that squad of players (many of whom were at the club when he took over when they were in L1). Of course it helps that Chris Wilder is a bloody good football manager, but I believe Slaven Bilic is pretty good too and would like him to have the chance to hone our team further before making the big step up to the PL.

I fancy our chances to gain promotion if/when the season resumes and this would be my preference rather than PPG being applied at this stage.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 08, 2020, 11:59:36 AM
What I find interesting in the project restart discussions and now the planned league 1/league 2 early finish, is that I don’t actually recall any plans being leaked about the restart of the Championship. I suppose it is difficult as they are waiting for the Premier to make a decision - if the Prem don’t restart then little point in the championship doing the same - but you would think you would have heard something by now.

I wonder if there is a realistic plan to restart the championship, or do the EFL expect us also to be finished based on PPG?

It could be that they don’t want to make that call before the top flight make their decision, as it could be used against them and see relegation took off the table.

From a selfish perspective though, it would work very well for us if they did negotiate relegation from the prem but then called off the rest of our season. Guaranteed promotion.

The only reason that the football authorities are trying to finish the season is to avoid having to refund the TV money to Sky BT and the myriad of overseas rights holders. Equally as it is looking extremely unlikely that crowds will be back anytime this year they need to be able to operate BCD to get to get future income from the broadcasters which is virtually the only income that the clubs will be getting in the next 6 months.

From the broadcasters perspective they need something to screen before their expensively acquired subscriber bases disintegrate. Bottom line unless they have something to screen then they won't be paying football anything.

If you want to know where the balance of power lies it is with the broadcasters. Both BT and Sky would hurt if they don't have football but both are strong enough to survive. Football as we know it ceases to exist without them. It might even cease to exist with them.

In this context the latest from the EFL makes sense. Firstly nobody cares about League 1 and 2. The broadcasters aren't going to ask for their money back and the Premier League aren't going to insist that they share their pain so whatever money has been paid to them is theirs to keep. Equally being able to screen Accrington Stanley v Fleetwood Town isn't going to save the broadcasters bacon either. Nor does the outcome impact on the Premier League directly and is sufficiently removed from Premier League as to not set a precedent.

This brings us onto the Championship. This is a different kettle of fish. While the EFL has a broadcast deal which in theory covers the whole EFL it really is the Championship that Sky is paying to screen. Without football there is no TV money and that is much more significant to Championship clubs than League 1 and League 2.

Furthermore the outcomes in the Championship directly impact the Premier League and vice versa. Plainly the broadcasters have not been fobbed off by meaningless exhibition matches in the Premier League without relegation which implies there will be promotion from the Championship and if the Premier League can complete behind closed doors, Sky will be seeking the same from the EFL at least from the Championship.

The alternative would be voiding the season and sorting out the mess some other way. However this is where things get ugly. Not only would Sky be seeking recompense for the broadcast revenue, if the PL does not complete then they will be seeking compensation from the PL and yes those Championship clubs in receipt of parachute payments most definitely will be sharing that pain.

There is not a cat in hell's chance the EFL survives in it's current format in those circumstances.

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on May 08, 2020, 04:58:05 PM
I'm pretty sure Sky have water tight contracts relating to screening games.
I can't see where government could legally intervene
They could legally intervene by keeping the Corona restrictions in place.
i.e. not allow games behind doors or apply such stringent guidelines that the clubs couldn't comply.

My original point is that the Government might see allowing games behind doors as offering some entertainment for Joe Public to make being in semi-lockdown more bearable. Allowing free to air access would stop groups gathering in places with Sky.
I appreciate Sky (and their subscribers) might not be happy, and maybe some of their exclusive rights could be retained, but the Government need to think about the wider population.   
 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 08, 2020, 05:31:50 PM
This won't happen (government intervention) because it is totally unnecessary. Of the 92 remaining games Sky and BT Sport have 47 live fixtures scheduled. This won't change.


The other 45 fixtures will be also be televised, at this stage it is unlikely to be on terrestrial TV, but it is likely to be free using a combination of Sky's freeview channels, YouTube and the Premier League website. Amazon Prime are also thought to be in talks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 08, 2020, 07:11:29 PM
This won't happen (government intervention) because it is totally unnecessary. Of the 92 remaining games Sky and BT Sport have 47 live fixtures scheduled. This won't change.


The other 45 fixtures will be also be televised, at this stage it is unlikely to be on terrestrial TV, but it is likely to be free using a combination of Sky's freeview channels, YouTube and the Premier League website. Amazon Prime are also thought to be in talks.

Personally, I don't think any live games will be free to the general public, as far as I am aware there is an agreement to stream live games FOC to STH's only.

There might be a case to show games FOC retrospectively, & those could be on any platform.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 08, 2020, 07:51:07 PM
Personally, I don't think any live games will be free to the general public, as far as I am aware there is an agreement to stream live games FOC to STH's only.

There might be a case to show games FOC retrospectively, & those could be on any platform.


Regards the PL which is what I'm talking about sths haven't been mentioned. Project Restart wants every game televised.


EFL a different story with iFollow.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 09, 2020, 11:21:37 AM
Reading the various reports it seems to me that the most likely scenario for the conclusion of the season is that the Premier League will or will not play to a finish with Liverpool crowned champions, relegation places will also be settled.
Increasingly it looks as if us and Leeds will be promoted and the final promotion place will be decided by a playoff for four teams.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 09, 2020, 12:07:55 PM
Reports saying that the PL has warned teams that voting against neutral venues could be detrimental to them seems to suggest to me if they vote against finishing the season at neutral venues then they will just finish the season on PPG basis.

Watford, Villa and Brighton are the 3 teams publicly opposed so far.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on May 09, 2020, 01:46:38 PM
Seems to me that bottom six of prem have lost the argument and relegation will rightly be used to finish season. Once powers that be decide formate of completion can only see play offs happening in Championship, could be promoted in next few weeks  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WBArgo on May 09, 2020, 09:21:58 PM
Seems to me that bottom six of prem have lost the argument and relegation will rightly be used to finish season. Once powers that be decide formate of completion can only see play offs happening in Championship, could be promoted in next few weeks  ;D

It doesn't feel right for me. I'd rather we earn it rather than automatically go up at this point, it completely takes the shine off it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 09, 2020, 09:28:07 PM
It doesn't feel right for me. I'd rather we earn it rather than automatically go up at this point, it completely takes the shine off it.

If it happens, we have earned it, fact is, we are one of the two best teams in the division
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on May 10, 2020, 12:38:23 AM
No arguments from me if we go up, especially if it means the Vile come down. My only concerns at this moment are that an early end to the season deprives Slaven and co' the opportunity to work on game time set pieces and defensive transitions. We're like an open book at times.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggies on May 10, 2020, 10:09:18 AM
Watford now publicly backing the top 6 view that nuetral venues aren't the way forward.

They actually reference player safety in their statement, stating as people return to work, footballers would be expected to play under conditions the general public are not.

Not quite sure what they hope to achieve from that statement really. If they have genuine concerns for their players then fine, but you can't say it is risky now but not risky at the start of next season if relegation is ruled out. Comes across as disingenuous. If relegation was taken off the table, Watford's worries for their players would evaporate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: johnny Cash on May 10, 2020, 11:06:53 AM

They should just take neutral venues off the table. Behind closed doors at all 20 grounds can’t be that more difficult than 10 venues.  Minimum 3 days between games so that cross squad contamination is minimised and stadiums completely shut down in between. 

If anything that’s surely better than cycling teams through the same venue within 24 hours of each other and 10 clubs getting home comforts while another 10 do not.  Risk assessment and isolation between players / coaches and media / others shouldn’t be too difficult.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 10, 2020, 02:09:44 PM
They should just take neutral venues off the table. Behind closed doors at all 20 grounds can’t be that more difficult than 10 venues.  Minimum 3 days between games so that cross squad contamination is minimised and stadiums completely shut down in between. 

If anything that’s surely better than cycling teams through the same venue within 24 hours of each other and 10 clubs getting home comforts while another 10 do not.  Risk assessment and isolation between players / coaches and media / others shouldn’t be too difficult.

It's policing the grounds and fans that is the issue, I just don't think it's a runner with the current situation, I think the government and the Premier League want it to happen, I want to hug my Granddaughter and go on holiday, but that ain't happening either.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on May 10, 2020, 02:40:35 PM
How convenient  3 Brighton players have tested positive for coronavirus

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52605961

This will probably mean that no football will return. The final league standings will be on PPG basis. The league will also have to pay Sky and BT back a massive amount of money . I think I read about 750 Million.  In turn that will mean the clubs will have to pay money back to the league

At least the vile get relegated !!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: lewisant on May 10, 2020, 03:09:06 PM

3 players from one German team tested positive, whole team to isolate for 14 days
BUT
They continue with the league restart.


How will that work then?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on May 10, 2020, 04:05:23 PM
25 man squad teams have had more than 3 players injured during season, and if they are adhering to guide lines then these players will self isolate for 14 days.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on May 10, 2020, 04:38:46 PM
25 man squad teams have had more than 3 players injured during season, and if they are adhering to guide lines then these players will self isolate for 14 days.
Isn't there a mechanism for getting a game postponed if a flu or food poisoning or something rips through a squad?  Maybe they will just have to set a percentage of the squad testing positive means the game is postponed?  Maybe 20% or something - if its only two or three players its no different to the usual level of stuff going on.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: johnny Cash on May 10, 2020, 04:43:12 PM
It's policing the grounds and fans that is the issue, I just don't think it's a runner with the current situation, I think the government and the Premier League want it to happen, I want to hug my Granddaughter and go on holiday, but that ain't happening either.

Do we really think people will turn up just to be outside the ground? Apart from when Liverpool win the league, I really don’t see it being that big a problem. If the odd idiot does, issue a large fine. Shut some roads down like you would on a normal March day if you have to.

 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 10, 2020, 04:49:04 PM
Do we really think people will turn up just to be outside the ground? Apart from when Liverpool win the league, I really don’t see it being that big a problem. If the odd idiot does, issue a large fine. Shut some roads down like you would on a normal March day if you have to.
I’d suggest the police may use slightly more force than shown in the parks last week 😀
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on May 10, 2020, 06:01:11 PM
Really looking good for us and Leeds, Premier league will consider relagating bottom 3 if they block plans to finish season. Also even with seals game in hand they reckon court case will be dismissed due to viles and other's statements to the fact that they would resume season if relagation was taken off table.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on May 10, 2020, 11:20:05 PM
Really looking good for us and Leeds, Premier league will consider relagating bottom 3 if they block plans to finish season. Also even with seals game in hand they reckon court case will be dismissed due to viles and other's statements to the fact that they would resume season if relagation was taken off table.
If they are happy to play if relegation taken off the table, that should prove to a court they have no in principle objection on health safety grounds.
That could be called scoring an own goal.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on May 11, 2020, 12:39:47 AM
Do we really think people will turn up just to be outside the ground?.......

That's like asking whether cretins will be cretins for the sake of being cretins when afforded the opportunity to be cretins. You've only got to go online and see burks from Berks dangling off cliffs after crossing county boundaries to know it's unfortunately likely to happen.

As you say close off roads but I'd go further. Personally speaking I'd be looking at a minimum of a club banning order for any cretins tempted to be cretins. If games are to be played then leave those games to the players.

And if anybody flies a drone over the Hawthorns while sat in Dartmouth Park (or near any other stadium) and broadcasts online or shares live footage with pals over a few cans, do them too.

Stay away (cretins) and follow games via tw@tter if need be.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: skyclad99 on May 11, 2020, 08:03:04 AM
Really looking good for us and Leeds, Premier league will consider relagating bottom 3 if they block plans to finish season. Also even with seals game in hand they reckon court case will be dismissed due to viles and other's statements to the fact that they would resume season if relagation was taken off table.

Just had a quick look at the Premier league table - there are three teams on 27 points, Bournemouth, Watford and West Ham. Bournemouth are in the final relegation spot at 18th. I wonder that if they do decide to relegate the bottom there, then will it be Bournemouth or will they look at the results against each other? I know what is easiest but it does seem a bit harsh. Personally I just want West Ham down...….
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 11, 2020, 08:20:53 AM
Starting to think we'll re-set to August 2019, but with a block on player transfers, so clubs will have the squads they have now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 11, 2020, 09:12:06 AM
Raab on the BBC this morning when posed a question following the speech last night said that the general public can't play football in a park as it would be impossible to meet the 2 metre rule. Surely then Premier League and other football can't re-start.

It will be interesting to see how the Premier League meeting goes today and whether some exclusion excuse will be allowed. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: skyclad99 on May 11, 2020, 09:46:01 AM
It will be interesting to see how the Bundesliga goes this weekend. Great to see it back but all it takes is one post match positive covid test. Add to this that the German R figure has been reported as going back over 1, they may decide to go back into total lockdown.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ronnie_allen on May 11, 2020, 09:51:58 AM
Raab on the BBC this morning when posed a question following the speech last night said that the general public can't play football in a park as it would be impossible to meet the 2 metre rule. Surely then Premier League and other football can't re-start.

It will be interesting to see how the Premier League meeting goes today and whether some exclusion excuse will be allowed.

Yep. Boris did state that people can play sport together in groups from the same household.
In relation to professional football; it is their work rather than being recreational so I would see it coming under the guidance that those who can't work from home; should go back to work where possible. My own feel; is that it will just be down to the football authorities to come to their own decision; like they did on March 13th.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 11, 2020, 10:21:44 AM
Yep. Boris did state that people can play sport together in groups from the same household.
In relation to professional football; it is their work rather than being recreational so I would see it coming under the guidance that those who can't work from home; should go back to work where possible. My own feel; is that it will just be down to the football authorities to come to their own decision; like they did on March 13th.
True but as I understand employers are obliged to meet social distancing requirements and that must also equally apply to professional football.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 11, 2020, 10:52:18 AM
True but as I understand employers are obliged to meet social distancing requirements and that must also equally apply to professional football.

Not only that, but they have a duty for care, so the professional game should be more heavily scrutinised than a park kickabout
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Adder on May 11, 2020, 11:16:16 AM
Yep. Boris did state that people can play sport together in groups from the same household.
In relation to professional football; it is their work rather than being recreational so I would see it coming under the guidance that those who can't work from home; should go back to work where possible. My own feel; is that it will just be down to the football authorities to come to their own decision; like they did on March 13th.
This is part of the confusion but the go back to work where possible mantra only applies to certain sectors. Pub managers, chefs and other service industry workers can't work from home but they can't go back to work as they have to wait for that sector to be given the go-ahead. Football should also need similar approval as it affects other workers like police, medical support.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 11, 2020, 11:55:31 AM
if matchday squads are tested before games then surely that negates the need for social distancing?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2020, 12:01:18 PM
Football bcd will go ahead, as with their earnings, disciplinary issues and contracts, players will not be treated the same as the general public imo.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on May 11, 2020, 12:13:01 PM
Dominic Raab mentioned this morning that they are looking to get the pubs open on 4th July. If that goes ahead then so can football.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: lewisant on May 11, 2020, 12:13:42 PM
Later on today Boris Johnson will make a statement about the return of professional football as part of his wider address to parliament.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 11, 2020, 12:21:21 PM
if matchday squads are tested before games then surely that negates the need for social distancing?
With all the issues on testing in the media, should it be prioritised for professional footballers above others before every game that would also have to include many other related parties too? The number of tests would run into the 1000s.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2020, 12:23:26 PM
With all the issues on testing in the media, should it be prioritised for professional footballers above others before every game that would also have to include many other related parties too? The number of tests would run into the 1000s.


Private tests not available to non paying public/keyworkers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2020, 12:34:58 PM
Private tests have been available for months if you are willing to pay. Most clubs in the top 2 divisions will be able to pay for them easily.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: hardtobeat on May 11, 2020, 12:40:01 PM
if matchday squads are tested before games then surely that negates the need for social distancing?
Not really as in order to get results back they would need to be tested probably 3 or 4  days prior to a game , plenty of time for the virus to be contracted.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2020, 12:45:48 PM
I believe the plan is to test them 48 hours before the game and then quarantine until matchday, if a player tests positive he's out the squad for 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 11, 2020, 01:01:13 PM
I believe the plan is to test them 48 hours before the game and then quarantine until matchday, if a player tests positive he's out the squad for 2 weeks.
Would be hard to control quarantine though when we are talking about many people apart from players such management and training personnel, physios/doctors, etc, at clubs, refereeing officials and so on.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2020, 01:07:52 PM
Would be hard to control quarantine though when we are talking about many people apart from players such management and training personnel, physios/doctors, etc, at clubs, refereeing officials and so on.

Not really, people will be sat in their rooms i imagine or small groups with the phsyios/drs etc at a time
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 11, 2020, 02:41:36 PM
if matchday squads are tested before games then surely that negates the need for social distancing?

But it takes a few days to get the results back, by which point players who have provided a negative sample could then have contracted the virus.

I think we're heading towards the season being binned. It just isn't practical or morally right.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2020, 02:44:11 PM
But it takes a few days to get the results back, by which point players who have provided a negative sample could then have contracted the virus.

I think we're heading towards the season being binned. It just isn't practical or morally right.


Think the opposite. We're headed towards not having a £1 billion hole in the finances of the PL 20, at any cost. The PL will almost certainly restart in June, imo only barring a disaster in the Bundesliga relaunch.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on May 11, 2020, 02:45:07 PM
Well it seems the government have given the green light for football to begin again in June. So they must deem it safe to play.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: geoff on May 11, 2020, 03:19:27 PM
Well it seems the government have given the green light for football to begin again in June. So they must deem it safe to play.

I think its more down to were we can cope with any major increase's in numbers than it being safe.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 11, 2020, 03:23:42 PM
Well it seems the government have given the green light for football to begin again in June. So they must deem it safe to play.

Not seen that, the only comment I've seen that it can't be started before 1st June
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on May 11, 2020, 03:31:05 PM
It's all over twitter
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 11, 2020, 03:38:57 PM
It's all over twitter
There are also dogs talking 😀
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on May 11, 2020, 04:02:13 PM
It will be interesting to see how the Bundesliga goes this weekend. Great to see it back but all it takes is one post match positive covid test. Add to this that the German R figure has been reported as going back over 1, they may decide to go back into total lockdown.
It looks like both top 2 divisions starting next weekend. There have already been Covid cases at League 2 Dynamo Dresden, so they will have to quarrantine for a fortnight, but unclear if they can replay the matches later.
As far as the whole country is concerned, the policy now is to take it on a local authority basis, so if a club was in a high infected local authority, they would have to follow lockdown rules there.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 11, 2020, 04:04:37 PM
3 different papers reporting June restart.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/premier-league-return-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-project-restart-june-2849219

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/05/10/eight-premier-league-clubs-argue-against-using-neutral-venues/

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/government-tells-football-plan-restart-june-2849206
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 11, 2020, 05:06:27 PM
Norwich, refunding ticket holders

https://www.canaries.co.uk/News/2020/may/club-update-on-ticket-and-membership-rebates/ (https://www.canaries.co.uk/News/2020/may/club-update-on-ticket-and-membership-rebates/)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggies on May 11, 2020, 05:11:42 PM
The FA, who hold an effective veto right in the premier league, have apparantly told clubs they will not sanction a voiding of the season or no relegation.

The Times are now reporting that the Premier League have gone back to the government to ask them special permission to play games behind closed doors at their normal grounds.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2020, 05:37:54 PM
The FA, who hold an effective veto right in the premier league, have apparantly told clubs they will not sanction a voiding of the season or no relegation.

The Times are now reporting that the Premier League have gone back to the government to ask them special permission to play games behind closed doors at their normal grounds.

Rightly so, teams cannot choose to avoid relegation, their season is over 75% complete. It would be different if we were less than halfway but we are well past that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 11, 2020, 05:41:42 PM
However it is decided it would appear that there is no way for the teams in the bottom 6 to game the situation to avoid relegation although if football does not restart there does not appear to be any way of working out the finishing order that does not relegate the bottom 3.

I am now guessing that there is no problem with sporting integrity at Villa Park.

However I did read that Watford, Southampton and Bournemouth have started major pitch work which might be a small wrinkle in getting their home fixtures on at their stadium.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2020, 05:44:46 PM
I posted the below earlier in general sports board. This satisfies the bottom 6 teams using their home advantage in remaining games played on a PPG basis and if safety is their number one reason for not playing that is navigated also so no compaints. Everyones safe, no ones risked and the season is complete.

"So, first day of annual leave and i'm bored so after hearing all the bottom 6 PL teams whinging about how much they prioritise safety but DON'T want to play games behind closed doors, especially neutral ones as they lose their "fantastic" home record advantage i decided to knock up the table based on their imperious home records. This way the season can be completed on a fair PPG basis and their number one priorities of maintaining player safety are upheld. Everyone's a winner! Only took about 15 minutes.

I worked out the average points per game home and away for each team and totalled home and away combined and then rounded up/down as standard.

Villa 6H x 1.31 ppg  4A x @.53 ppg = 9.98pts (10 pts)

The below teams had 5 home games and 4 away games each:-

Norwich  - 5 x 1.07,  4 x .4  =6.95 (7 points total)
Bournemouth 6.05 +2.68+ 8.73 = (9 pts total)
W Ham H 1.07 x5   .8x4 = 8.55 (9 pts total
Watford 6.05 +2.68+ 8.73 = (9 pts total)
Brighton 1.29x5   4 x .73 = 11.18 (11pts)


Final standings : -

15th Brighton =29+11  =40pts
16th West Ham 27+9 =36 pts
17th Watford 27+9 = 36pts
18th Bournemouth 27+9 = 36pts
19th Villa 25+10 = 35 pts
20th Norwich 21+7 = 28pts total


Hopefully this or something like this is what the FA have prepared when they go for the vote of resuming at neutral venues or concluding the season on PPG basis. I feel showing the table to the bottom 6 will help focus their minds."

If the PL+FA show them that i can't forsee any future problems.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: lewisant on May 11, 2020, 06:25:18 PM
Gazberg - good one! I guess they don't realise how bad they all are.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: caravanc58 on May 11, 2020, 06:36:29 PM
The FA, who hold an effective veto right in the premier league, have apparantly told clubs they will not sanction a voiding of the season or no relegation.

The Times are now reporting that the Premier League have gone back to the government to ask them special permission to play games behind closed doors at their normal grounds.
Good on the FA about time they did something useful. Wonder what the next thing the relegation threatened clubs will be against.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2020, 07:08:52 PM
Gazberg - good one! I guess they don't realise how bad they all are.

Exactly, they just need to be shown it and i think the teams from 17th upwards will vote them down based on a fair PPG system.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 11, 2020, 07:36:16 PM
However it is decided it would appear that there is no way for the teams in the bottom 6 to game the situation to avoid relegation although if football does not restart there does not appear to be any way of working out the finishing order that does not relegate the bottom 3.

I am now guessing that there is no problem with sporting integrity at Villa Park.

However I did read that Watford, Southampton and Bournemouth have started major pitch work which might be a small wrinkle in getting their home fixtures on at their stadium.
Well until they had official confirmation that the season was cancelled, they really shouldn’t have started work should they?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 11, 2020, 08:44:05 PM
Well until they had official confirmation that the season was cancelled, they really shouldn’t have started work should they?

It does seem rather bonkers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 11, 2020, 08:45:00 PM
With Six Nations matches now been cancelled, I believe that there is a possibility that our promotion is at risk, if the virus does get a hold in the UK, all public gatherings will probably be prevented, matches could be played behind closed doors, all would they just cancel the season?

Bump!

So what do we think now, are we as good as promoted?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2020, 08:57:42 PM
Bump!

So what do we think now, are we as good as promoted?


Yes. In fact we're more likely to be promoted if the season doesn't resume.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 11, 2020, 09:27:59 PM
If I was being unduly cynical I might to be tempted to suggest that Watford's desire to see the season voided and their decision to rip up their pitch might not be entirely unconnected.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: caravanc58 on May 11, 2020, 09:29:11 PM

Yes. In fact we're more likely to be promoted if the season doesn't resume.
I'll take that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: brummyroader on May 12, 2020, 11:26:53 AM
As we all know the return of this season is a red hot topic for a variety of reasons. Various factors have been muted as being the motive the get it resumed ASAP although one particular piece of the puzzle has staggered me. Many businesses nationwide have kept in work during the lockdown either in total or recently opened again: NHS, care workers, supermarkets, DIY stores and many many more - these all have been staffed by human beings I would say if not worried then extremely cautious about there health and those of who they live with and serve day in day out.

Footballers when asked to return in my opinion with testing 2/3/4 times a week will be asked to go to ‘work’ in perhaps the safest of all environments across the country. With many very highly paid premier league players are unwilling to take pay cuts or deferrals yet do not want to return to work, when’s he reality is  the reason why football is intending to come back is for monetary reasons as well as ‘integrity’ of the game - to get in TV money so they can pay players.

The working class do not have a viable option much of the time to refuse to work and if they did they would certainly not get paid, statutory sick pay at best. If footballers don’t want to come back in one of the safest environments in the country then waive your salaries and the rush to get money in the back suddenly will seem a lesser priority.

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on May 12, 2020, 12:47:35 PM
As we all know the return of this season is a red hot topic for a variety of reasons. Various factors have been muted as being the motive the get it resumed ASAP although one particular piece of the puzzle has staggered me. Many businesses nationwide have kept in work during the lockdown either in total or recently opened again: NHS, care workers, supermarkets, DIY stores and many many more - these all have been staffed by human beings I would say if not worried then extremely cautious about there health and those of who they live with and serve day in day out.

Footballers when asked to return in my opinion with testing 2/3/4 times a week will be asked to go to ‘work’ in perhaps the safest of all environments across the country. With many very highly paid premier league players are unwilling to take pay cuts or deferrals yet do not want to return to work, when’s he reality is  the reason why football is intending to come back is for monetary reasons as well as ‘integrity’ of the game - to get in TV money so they can pay players.

The working class do not have a viable option much of the time to refuse to work and if they did they would certainly not get paid, statutory sick pay at best. If footballers don’t want to come back in one of the safest environments in the country then waive your salaries and the rush to get money in the back suddenly will seem a lesser priority.
I think this is fair comment overall.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 12, 2020, 12:51:41 PM
Agree, footballers refusing to go to work in a highly protected environment is a joke. Many of us are out here working for far, far less, exposed to far higher risk amongst the public, with no PPE etc. It just doesn't fly.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 12, 2020, 01:15:02 PM
As we all know the return of this season is a red hot topic for a variety of reasons. Various factors have been muted as being the motive the get it resumed ASAP although one particular piece of the puzzle has staggered me. Many businesses nationwide have kept in work during the lockdown either in total or recently opened again: NHS, care workers, supermarkets, DIY stores and many many more - these all have been staffed by human beings I would say if not worried then extremely cautious about there health and those of who they live with and serve day in day out.

Footballers when asked to return in my opinion with testing 2/3/4 times a week will be asked to go to ‘work’ in perhaps the safest of all environments across the country. With many very highly paid premier league players are unwilling to take pay cuts or deferrals yet do not want to return to work, when’s he reality is  the reason why football is intending to come back is for monetary reasons as well as ‘integrity’ of the game - to get in TV money so they can pay players.

The working class do not have a viable option much of the time to refuse to work and if they did they would certainly not get paid, statutory sick pay at best. If footballers don’t want to come back in one of the safest environments in the country then waive your salaries and the rush to get money in the back suddenly will seem a lesser priority.


Agree in principle, but I think you've got the middle paragraph wrong.

If a footballer takes a pay cut, all that happens is the salary stays with the club, it doesn't go out into the community.
There have been numerous instances where players have made huge community donations from their own pockets during this crisis, led by club captains.
There is compelling evidence that the Black, Asian & Ethnic Minority populations have been affected more severely by this virus, so I could see why BAME players would be nervous.

I can't think of many sportsmen either amatuer or professional who wouldn't want to get out to play, but I think pro footballers have as much right as anybody else to ensure that their workplace is as safe as it's possible to be.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2020, 01:31:15 PM

Agree in principle, but I think you've got the middle paragraph wrong.

If a footballer takes a pay cut, all that happens is the salary stays with the club, it doesn't go out into the community.
There have been numerous instances where players have made huge community donations from their own pockets during this crisis, led by club captains.
There is compelling evidence that the Black, Asian & Ethnic Minority populations have been affected more severely by this virus, so I could see why BAME players would be nervous.

I can't think of many sportsmen either amatuer or professional who wouldn't want to get out to play, but I think pro footballers have as much right as anybody else to ensure that their workplace is as safe as it's possible to be.


The BAME nurses on 20k a year aren't reluctant about going to work.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: brummyroader on May 12, 2020, 01:36:31 PM

Agree in principle, but I think you've got the middle paragraph wrong.

If a footballer takes a pay cut, all that happens is the salary stays with the club, it doesn't go out into the community.
There have been numerous instances where players have made huge community donations from their own pockets during this crisis, led by club captains.
There is compelling evidence that the Black, Asian & Ethnic Minority populations have been affected more severely by this virus, so I could see why BAME players would be nervous.

I can't think of many sportsmen either amatuer or professional who wouldn't want to get out to play, but I think pro footballers have as much right as anybody else to ensure that their workplace is as safe as it's possible to be.

The money does only stay with the club, however if the clubs aren’t getting the final part of the TV money then many have said they can’t afford to pay players wages after 2/3 months, hence why short term cuts or deferrals are required in most cases. Clubs want to make sure they can pay them their millions for the remainder of 2/3/4/5 year deals so only fair they help out in the short term for massive long term gain.

Donations to the community and good causes are a different subject in the main as they are individual and there have been many great stories and no doubt even more we have not even heard about.

Footballers should not expect 100% pay if they are not working, if they are worried about the health risks then so be it even if they are in a much higher medical privilege than everyone else, but at least take a cut or deferral in the mean time...
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 12, 2020, 01:44:17 PM

The BAME nurses on 20k a year aren't reluctant about going to work.

First of all, I used the word nervous, & I think they are.

Second, it's not a competition, both have a right to be nervous.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: richjonawba on May 12, 2020, 01:56:26 PM

Agree in principle, but I think you've got the middle paragraph wrong.

If a footballer takes a pay cut, all that happens is the salary stays with the club, it doesn't go out into the community.
There have been numerous instances where players have made huge community donations from their own pockets during this crisis, led by club captains.
There is compelling evidence that the Black, Asian & Ethnic Minority populations have been affected more severely by this virus, so I could see why BAME players would be nervous.

I can't think of many sportsmen either amatuer or professional who wouldn't want to get out to play, but I think pro footballers have as much right as anybody else to ensure that their workplace is as safe as it's possible to be.

This is because they are more likely to have poor metabolic health, not because of the colour of their skin. Footballers will be amongst the top 1% in terms of health in this country, their diet will be dictated to them by elite nutritionists. There is not a chance in the world these guys will be remotely effected by this virus. Only the unhealthy are at risk, check the statistics metabolic syndrome and obesity link to mortality from the virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ronnie_allen on May 12, 2020, 02:11:05 PM
This is because they are more likely to have poor metabolic health, not because of the colour of their skin. Footballers will be amongst the top 1% in terms of health in this country, their diet will be dictated to them by elite nutritionists. There is not a chance in the world these guys will be remotely effected by this virus. Only the unhealthy are at risk, check the statistics metabolic syndrome and obesity link to mortality from the virus.

These players are likely to be at a lower risk; particularly compared to the likes of NHS workers. I would agree with what the statistics suggest in that regard but it is wrong to suggest that football players are at no risk at all. Junior Sambia; who would have been deemed a healthy 23 year old with Montpellier in Ligue Un contracted the virus and had to be induced into a coma. 
Players; will also have concerns about contracting and  passing on the virus to family members as well as ancillary staff who may be required and may not be in the same category of age or level of health.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on May 12, 2020, 02:13:10 PM
This is because they are more likely to have poor metabolic health, not because of the colour of their skin. Footballers will be amongst the top 1% in terms of health in this country, their diet will be dictated to them by elite nutritionists. There is not a chance in the world these guys will be remotely effected by this virus. Only the unhealthy are at risk, check the statistics metabolic syndrome and obesity link to mortality from the virus.
I think the evidence would suggest that is really a link to poverty not ethnicity - worse diet, overcrowded housing, lack of exercise, poor air quality and so on leading to heath issues generally.  People are very wary of saying this, especially politicians, because it can sound like victim blaming, but it really isn't, it is evidence based.

There could of course be a genetic component, and if it is identified then fair enough.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 12, 2020, 02:14:52 PM
The money does only stay with the club, however if the clubs aren’t getting the final part of the TV money then many have said they can’t afford to pay players wages after 2/3 months, hence why short term cuts or deferrals are required in most cases. Clubs want to make sure they can pay them their millions for the remainder of 2/3/4/5 year deals so only fair they help out in the short term for massive long term gain.

By & large, clubs don't give a monkey's about their players, they only play them huge sums because they have to. Like every employer in the world, their main interest is to provide a service at minimal cost.
You mention contracts over extended periods, so even if we manage to get this season completed, how do you think clubs are going to pay their players if they can't start next season either.
If I'm a 20 odd year old player, & my future is uncertain, I'll provide for my family as best as I can.

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Donations to the community and good causes are a different subject in the main as they are individual and there have been many great stories and no doubt even more we have not even heard about.

They're not a different subject, politicians, who don't understand how football works, have been having a dig at players, when they are making huge contributions to their communities, & collectively, not just one or two isolated cases.

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Footballers should not expect 100% pay if they are not working, if they are worried about the health risks then so be it even if they are in a much higher medical privilege than everyone else, but at least take a cut or deferral in the mean time...

How do you know they are getting 100% pay if they're not working?
I don't think anybody could have foreseen an epidemic like this one, but you would think that if there are relegation clauses in player contracts, there would be exception clauses of some sort. If there's not, whose fault is that, the player or the club.
If a player contract is for an extended period, it's to the club's advantage, more than the player, the club can get more for the player in the transfer market.

Player contracts are drawn up by the club, to the advantage of the club, they shouldn't cry foul when it goes belly up.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: johnny Cash on May 12, 2020, 02:58:20 PM

Player contracts are drawn up by the club, to the advantage of the club, they shouldn't cry foul when it goes belly up.


Although strictly true. The PFA have done a lot over the years to readdress what they perceived as imbalances between the two parties and the players have a lot more powers and rights than they used to.

The players will be getting 100%, im almost certain of that. Anything else is likely breach of contract unless something specific has been agreed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 12, 2020, 05:35:43 PM
Headline from the Telegrapgh which I assumes reflects the paywalled article.

Premier League clubs could oppose promotion if 'Project Restart' goes ahead but Championship is curtailed

Well bless my soul that is a new way wriggling out of being relegated.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: lewisant on May 12, 2020, 05:54:49 PM
Headline from the Telegrapgh which I assumes reflects the paywalled article.

Premier League clubs could oppose promotion if 'Project Restart' goes ahead but Championship is curtailed

Well bless my soul that is a new way wriggling out of being relegated.

A new angle! The saga continues!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on May 12, 2020, 07:43:42 PM
Headline from the Telegrapgh which I assumes reflects the paywalled article.

Premier League clubs could oppose promotion if 'Project Restart' goes ahead but Championship is curtailed

Well bless my soul that is a new way wriggling out of being relegated.

I can see the sense in this. 

If the premiership plays then so should the championship.

If teams have to play for their survival in the premier so we should earn promotion by playing out our fixtures.

No problem with that
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 12, 2020, 07:45:31 PM
If this is the lengths EPL have to go to, there's too much risk - forget it


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Premier League: Restrictions in place for team training under 'Project Restart'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52635005 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52635005)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 12, 2020, 07:47:15 PM
I can see the sense in this. 

If the premiership plays then so should the championship.

If teams have to play for their survival in the premier so we should earn promotion by playing out our fixtures.

No problem with that

I do, they could opt for the points per game option, it's only greed that demands they play
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on May 12, 2020, 08:05:48 PM
If this is the lengths EPL have to go to, there's too much risk - forget it


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52635005 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52635005)

If all these measures are introduced then they should and I think will end the season for all divisions on a PPG  basis. All relegations and promotions will be based on this.

But don't expect next season to ever get started because they will not have a vaccine by the end of next season, if ever at all.

That means the premier league cannot expect any money from Sky and BT next season if no matches are being played. So the clubs will have no big payments but they will still be stuck with paying big contracts to the players.

Interesting times. A lot of big clubs could be in big trouble.

Is this the end of the road for football as we have been experiencing ???
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on May 12, 2020, 08:22:49 PM
So, So, many times I have wished for the end of the EPL / Sky destruction of "our" game to come to an end, at long long last in the most horrible of circumstances, it seems it may happen. Yet despite our clubs prudence and good management we could still be victims. Natural justice, no such thing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 12, 2020, 08:46:09 PM
If all these measures are introduced then they should and I think will end the season for all divisions on a PPG  basis. All relegations and promotions will be based on this.

But don't expect next season to ever get started because they will not have a vaccine by the end of next season, if ever at all.

That means the premier league cannot expect any money from Sky and BT next season if no matches are being played. So the clubs will have no big payments but they will still be stuck with paying big contracts to the players.

Interesting times. A lot of big clubs could be in big trouble.

Is this the end of the road for football as we have been experiencing ???

Sky have a market valuation of $36 billion & bt £24 billion.

Think they could afford to prop up the prem for a year, without the prem they don't have a UK product to sell

The real issue is relegations & promotions.

Personally, I'd be happy to re-set to August 2019, provided the transfer window was closed, so that the prem bottom six couldn't re-build
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2020, 08:53:29 PM
Sky have a market valuation of $36 billion & bt £24 billion.

Think they could afford to prop up the prem for a year, without the prem they don't have a UK product to sell

The real issue is relegations & promotions.

Personally, I'd be happy to re-set to August 2019, provided the transfer window was closed, so that the prem bottom six couldn't re-build


Same as Branson can prop up Virgin. They can but they won't.


Still think they'll resume. Pay more attention to the Bundesliga than our press.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on May 12, 2020, 10:14:05 PM
If there is a God he finally has to do something, current positions declared final in the premier league and championship and sky and to reclaim all this seasons TV money from the Premier league clubs.

Then after Sotv he can sort covid 19.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 12, 2020, 10:20:09 PM
The desperation of the Premier League is really undignified.

If you can't tackle in training, it's clearly not the right time to bring back football. Imagine the uproar from the general public if they can't visit their family yet footballers can play matches?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on May 12, 2020, 10:25:37 PM
The desperation of the Premier League is really undignified.

If you can't tackle in training, it's clearly not the right time to bring back football. Imagine the uproar from the general public if they can't visit their family yet footballers can play matches?

I imagine the uproar would be doubled if the players have to draft in and then tackle their grandparents due to a lack of training partners. I'm outraged already..... but WHY? Because I can be  ;D .
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on May 12, 2020, 10:34:54 PM
Players in the PL are always the winners, they get their monthly salaries regardless and many refuse to take pay cuts, some defer, but will eventually be paid.

Still no mention about season ticket holders and PL clubs intentions to them that I have read.

And PL clubs might be asked to repay £17m, each, back to Sky.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on May 12, 2020, 11:32:40 PM
I don't understand this thing about no tackling, can someone enlighten me please.
Why can't these players play with face masks on?
They play with all sorts of headgear nowadays.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 12, 2020, 11:52:14 PM
Sky have a market valuation of $36 billion & bt £24 billion.

Think they could afford to prop up the prem for a year, without the prem they don't have a UK product to sell

The real issue is relegations & promotions.

Personally, I'd be happy to re-set to August 2019, provided the transfer window was closed, so that the prem bottom six couldn't re-build

But why should they do that when Premiership teams will go and spend what is owed and more come the summer. (If they didn't have too pay Sky back)

Id quite like too see a transfer ban in the sense of fees this summer. Agents payments restricted.

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on May 12, 2020, 11:54:49 PM
Players in the PL are always the winners, they get their monthly salaries regardless and many refuse to take pay cuts, some defer, but will eventually be paid.

Still no mention about season ticket holders and PL clubs intentions to them that I have read.

And PL clubs might be asked to repay £17m, each, back to Sky.

Norwich City spoke yesterday AF, read on.......

https://www.canaries.co.uk/News/2020/may/club-update-on-ticket-and-membership-rebates/
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 13, 2020, 08:29:41 AM
But why should they do that when Premiership teams will go and spend what is owed and more come the summer. (If they didn't have too pay Sky back)

Id quite like too see a transfer ban in the sense of fees this summer. Agents payments restricted.

I'm only talking about providing funds to sustain existing player contracts.
If the EPL goes bust, the broadcasters haven't got a product to sell,
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on May 13, 2020, 09:48:38 AM
Norwich City spoke yesterday AF, read on.......

https://www.canaries.co.uk/News/2020/may/club-update-on-ticket-and-membership-rebates/

Thank you for the update Dan, as I hadn't seen that.

But isn't it typical? Probably the club that can least afford to do it, is putting the rest to shame. Good on ya Norwich City FC!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggy nerd on May 13, 2020, 10:07:17 AM
I don't understand this thing about no tackling, can someone enlighten me please.
Why can't these players play with face masks on?
They play with all sorts of headgear nowadays.

Breathing issues?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on May 13, 2020, 10:24:05 AM
Has this board been infiltrated by seals? Seen numerous posts about fans being happy to void season. I say bollo to that, why should failure be rewarded?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: leeiswba on May 13, 2020, 10:43:49 AM
One thing I don’t get is why people would turn up outside the ground.

To me it’s either stay at home and watch the match or turn up outside the ground and not know what’s going on, don’t really get what anyone would get out of standing outside a ground when the match is on
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 13, 2020, 10:44:35 AM
Has this board been infiltrated by seals? Seen numerous posts about fans being happy to void season. I say bollo to that, why should failure be rewarded?


you cant void 75% of the season. cancel next season if we have too and finish this one when safe
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggies on May 13, 2020, 10:45:53 AM
Looking at the interview from the Norwich City DoF, his view seems to be that if the prem season finishes and Norwich finish in the relegation zone, they should only be relegated IF the Championship season had also been able to resume and be completed.

I wonder if this will be the new line from the bottom 6?

They might make a calculation that the Championship can't afford to restart with all of the stipulations that eventually get put in to place.

Not sure how that would work legally though - the Prem refusing to relegate teams that finish a full season bottom of the table.

Plot thickens.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on May 13, 2020, 10:56:00 AM
Hey baggienerd,
What breathing issues?
I can breath wearing one,nurses can surgeons can,
How on earth can wearing a paper mask be a breathing issue for athletes ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 13, 2020, 11:04:07 AM
A lot of posters are almost gleeful at the prospect of the whole modern game crumbling. I would caution that when anything goes through seismic change it is always unclear what will emerge from the rubble. It is not a simple case of rolling the clock back to a pre premier league world or some other ill remembered golden era.

Yesterday's announcement that the furlough scheme is being extended to October tells you everything that you need to know about mass public gatherings, i.e. until October there is zero chance of playing football in front of crowds after October slightly more of chance but until a vaccine is found not much.

There is no way on this Earth that Leagues 1 & 2 can operate BCD. Those clubs are furloughed although a lot of League 1 & 2 players are on short term contracts and come 30th June are out of contract in any event. Do those clubs survive? Do they survive as full time professional set ups? I think the answer to both those questions is maybe not.

This brings me on to the Championship which in some ways is the most difficult to gauge. In theory Championship clubs might have a deep enough fan base to generate enough Pay Per View sales along with the current broadcast income to play BCD. Although using current platforms to live stream all fixtures completely undermines Sky so that is not a given and the fan base is also facing uncertain economic prospects so the Pay per View take up might not be as great as could otherwise be hoped for.

However we cannot talk about the Championship without talking about the elephant in the room. Even operating normally most Championship clubs are losing money. If they lose 50% or more of their normal income they are insolvent.

The current operating losses are propped up by generous owners who are gambling on promotion and profit from player sales.  The transfer market it very likely to collapse and I suspect that the owners in general will no longer be happy to bankroll clubs operating loses. In part they are no longer as wealthy as they used to be and their other business interests are also distressed and quite probably need urgent capital and as importantly their attention.

Never the less there is an income stream that the Championship clubs could tap into which might sustain professional football at Championship level. However the implication is that the current players wages have to drop dramatically and in some instances by as much as 90%. There is a slightly different dynamics in play for those teams in receipt of Premier League parachute payments but the same principles apply.

This brings me onto the Premier League. Here we can split clubs into two camps the big 6 and the rest. Currently broadcast revenue makes up somewhere between 70% and 80% of most club's income with somewhere between 10% and 15% coming from matchday income. Even if clubs were to lose all of their other income most could get by on the broadcast revenue alone. This is with the proviso that if owners are currently supporting them they continue to do so and those clubs that have a trading model to supplement their operating income will also suffer as a consequence of the downturn in the market.

Finally the big 6. Here broadcast revenue makes up less of their overall income the split is closer to 40% broadcast revenue 40% commercial revenue and 20% matchday revenue. The other big issue here is whether or not European competitions return. If you think getting the domestic leagues back is difficult then consider getting a multi national (all nations with slightly different public health regulations in place) with leagues at varying stages of returning and in theory a start at the beginning of July. There are significant question marks about the big 6 and while they appear to be wealthy the liabilities they have on their books with regard to players contracts and potential write downs on transfer fees are truly eye watering.

In any event while the elite in theory have the financial muscle to survive none of the players contracts top to bottom of the league can be sustained in full on broadcast income alone which is what you have to assume will be the case with a BCD start.

A couple pointers in general. Do not expect owners to bail football out both their ability and willingness to do so must be in extreme doubt. Secondly do not expect the bigger clubs to come to the rescue of the smaller ones that is not in their nature and in point of fact expect them throw them overboard should the opportunity arise. Finally broadcasters can and will pay for content but they won't pay for the prospect of content at some point in the future.

Given an extremely uncertain future the current discussions around project restart are more understandable and many are looking at the Championship as a ever deeper and darker financial abyss. However an equally brutal fact of life is the if the future looks uncertain for many clubs it looks an awful lot worse if they head into it having to repay a significant part of the broadcast revenue from this season. 

Yet for a club threatened by relegation staying in the Premier League even with a significant refund of broadcast revenues is better than the prospect of relegation. Things are that bad.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on May 13, 2020, 11:10:16 AM
I've said it before, to settle all divisions top to bottom.
It has to be ppg average to be fair to all concerned, that includes the fans we will all know where we stand.
Forget the financial implications peoples lives are at stake here.
Why put them at risk,both players and fans?
This is an epidemic of seismic proportions like the black death.
Most of the world is suffering and we will all end up the poorer for it.
So wake up PL & EFL and make a decision.
Are football clubs not insured against something like this or are the PL & EFL not covered?
Surely SKY or BT not?
Beggars belief ,no more playing behind closed doors do the maths,stand or fall and have the guts to do the right thing for the game especially the fans because without those fans,who some decry the beautiful game that I have loved all my life is worthless.

Le
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 13, 2020, 11:27:34 AM
I've said it before, to settle all divisions top to bottom.
It has to be ppg average to be fair to all concerned, that includes the fans we will all know where we stand.
Forget the financial implications peoples lives are at stake here.
Why put them at risk,both players and fans?
This is an epidemic of seismic proportions like the black death.
Most of the world is suffering and we will all end up the poorer for it.
So wake up PL & EFL and make a decision.
Are football clubs not insured against something like this or are the PL & EFL not covered?
Surely SKY or BT not?
Beggars belief ,no more playing behind closed doors do the maths,stand or fall and have the guts to do the right thing for the game especially the fans because without those fans,who some decry the beautiful game that I have loved all my life is worthless.

Le

Epidemic like the black death? The black death killed 50% of Europe's population. Ridiculous comment.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 13, 2020, 11:35:16 AM
TBF Coronavirus is nowhere near the level of the black death. Look after the over 60s and vulnerable and it's mortality rate is extremely low.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on May 13, 2020, 11:51:17 AM
I've said it before, to settle all divisions top to bottom.
It has to be ppg average to be fair to all concerned, that includes the fans we will all know where we stand.
Forget the financial implications peoples lives are at stake here.
Why put them at risk,both players and fans?
This is an epidemic of seismic proportions like the black death.
Most of the world is suffering and we will all end up the poorer for it.
So wake up PL & EFL and make a decision.
Are football clubs not insured against something like this or are the PL & EFL not covered?
Surely SKY or BT not?
Beggars belief ,no more playing behind closed doors do the maths,stand or fall and have the guts to do the right thing for the game especially the fans because without those fans,who some decry the beautiful game that I have loved all my life is worthless.

Le

There will be no insurance cover for this. Businesses up and down the country are finding this out.  Insurance companies are not paying out on the coronavirus. 

Any losses to the leagues or football clubs are going to be have to took on the chin .
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: WoysWunderful on May 13, 2020, 12:06:47 PM
One thing I don’t get is why people would turn up outside the ground.

To me it’s either stay at home and watch the match or turn up outside the ground and not know what’s going on, don’t really get what anyone would get out of standing outside a ground when the match is on
Could probably hear the paniced shouts from the players when bartley gets the ball in his own box  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 13, 2020, 12:13:24 PM
I've said it before, to settle all divisions top to bottom.
It has to be ppg average to be fair to all concerned, that includes the fans we will all know where we stand.
Forget the financial implications peoples lives are at stake here.
Why put them at risk,both players and fans?
This is an epidemic of seismic proportions like the black death.
Most of the world is suffering and we will all end up the poorer for it.
So wake up PL & EFL and make a decision.
Are football clubs not insured against something like this or are the PL & EFL not covered?
Surely SKY or BT not?
Beggars belief ,no more playing behind closed doors do the maths,stand or fall and have the guts to do the right thing for the game especially the fans because without those fans,who some decry the beautiful game that I have loved all my life is worthless.


I am not sure that a pandemic like war is an insurable risk.
 
It is not the black death but nor is it a case of lock up granny and things will be alright.

If the game was entirely amateur then we are looking at a sporting decision and it doesn't matter other than there is a is a rough fairness to it. Clubs and fans would happy or unhappy with the outcome but whatever.

The only reason the professional game exists in it's current format or any format is because it is professional and has been since the first time a schilling changed hands between club player so long ago even I wasn't born. A football club is more than sum of it's contractual obligations but in a professional sense it ceases to exist if it doesn't fulfill them.

Football clubs tend not to die when they go broke unlike other business entities. Maybe had we lost a few we would be more careful with the ones that survived or maybe not. Ultimately if the pandemic prompts a seismic change in football for good or bad then it will be driven by the fact that it is a professional game and with that comes a bunch of purely financial decisions.


 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 13, 2020, 12:23:52 PM
Has this board been infiltrated by seals? Seen numerous posts about fans being happy to void season. I say bollo to that, why should failure be rewarded?

It would be rewarded if Villa were allowed to rebuild their squad, but if there was a total freeze on player movement, they wouldn't
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on May 13, 2020, 01:28:18 PM
Thank you for the update Dan, as I hadn't seen that.

But isn't it typical? Probably the club that can least afford to do it, is putting the rest to shame. Good on ya Norwich City FC!

We too are looking to refund ticket monies.......

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/may/albion-to-refund-match-ticket-purchases/
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: johnny Cash on May 13, 2020, 01:52:08 PM

I am not sure that a pandemic like war is an insurable risk.
 

Theoretically it was insurable. Practically it probably wasn't. Standard business interruption insurance wouldn't cover it, but you could arrange a specialist event contingency insurance that included loses following interruption / interference due to disease.

You'd have to either consider the season the 'event' which you'd probably never have done, or arranged different polices for each individual match. This is quite different to a Wimbledon or Ryder cup for example, which are held at a specific time at a specific location.

If Sky or BT had arranged this type of insurance, the insurers would only cover irrecoverable loses. They would expect Sky or BT to enforce contractual rights against the league / clubs to recover money where it could.  So you'd need various parties to all have policies to cover their own financial interests.

As I say, it could be done but it would be complex and probably deemed uneconomical on balance of risk vs reward.

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 13, 2020, 02:34:11 PM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/may/albion-to-refund-match-ticket-purchases/


Refunds for individual match tickets confirmed. ST info to follow.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on May 13, 2020, 06:03:54 PM
Thank you for the update Dan, as I hadn't seen that.

But isn't it typical? Probably the club that can least afford to do it, is putting the rest to shame. Good on ya Norwich City FC!

Least able to afford it?

They went up spent nothing and then did the disgraceful act of furloughing their staff like Newcastle.

And on separate issue their ceo has come out today they are against relegation if they have to play the rest of their games and those promoted from championship haven't played their remaining games.

Talk about clutching at straws.

Disgusting club.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 13, 2020, 07:05:43 PM
Latest from John Percy

From Championship clubs' conference call this afternoon: 'full' training not recommended until May 25, which means a restart in early June appears highly unlikely. Clubs are arguing that it needs 3 weeks of training before players reach full fitness.

From this it looks like the clubs are at least gearing up to complete the season.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 13, 2020, 07:41:51 PM
Latest from John Percy

From Championship clubs' conference call this afternoon: 'full' training not recommended until May 25, which means a restart in early June appears highly unlikely. Clubs are arguing that it needs 3 weeks of training before players reach full fitness.

From this it looks like the clubs are at least gearing up to complete the season.

I agree with all of your comments about the financial implications for both the clubs & the broadcasters, but I get the impression, the desire to complete the football season is being driven by Boris Johnson.

Boris is of the opinion that televised games will boost the morale of the nation, couple of things that suggest that assumption is not shared by all:

A survey yesterday said that 73% of people would not have their morale boosted by a return of televised football.

Apart from getting the economy moving, a secondary benefit of relaxing the lock down was to get people exercising & into the fresh air.
I believe there are around 90 EPL games left to play, if they were all televised, that's 135 hours of footie on the tele - kind of defeats the object.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ronnie_allen on May 13, 2020, 07:50:35 PM
I agree with all of your comments about the financial implications for both the clubs & the broadcasters, but I get the impression, the desire to complete the football season is being driven by Boris Johnson.

Boris is of the opinion that televised games will boost the morale of the nation, couple of things that suggest that assumption is not shared by all:

A survey yesterday said that 73% of people would not have their morale boosted by a return of televised football.

Apart from getting the economy moving, a secondary benefit of relaxing the lock down was to get people exercising & into the fresh air.
I believe there are around 90 EPL games left to play, if they were all televised, that's 135 hours of footie on the tele - kind of defeats the object.

If the return of football can boost the morale of 27% of the population, with one simple avenue that is quite a sizable amount. Then work on getting other items such as soaps, Mrs Brown Boys, talent shows and the like going to further boost morale of many of these people and others.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on May 13, 2020, 07:55:26 PM
soaps, Mrs Brown Boys, talent shows - all bloody depressing to me !
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 13, 2020, 08:10:11 PM
It's being driven by the governing bodies and the clubs, aside from a few in danger of relegation from the PL.  The gaping hole in their finances and years of litigation that not completing would cause is an unthinkable outcome for them.


The government will be keen to get things going again but it's not the be all and end all for them.




Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on May 13, 2020, 10:44:52 PM
Hey Johnny cash,I hope you are keeping well.
Yes I agree with your synopsis about insuring events.
I remember a few years ago when I was in business I had work at Cheltenham racecourse and I remember being told by the clerk of the courses office that their race meetings were all insured especially the gold cup meeting.
They never lost money due to cancellation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on May 14, 2020, 09:42:43 AM
The more the argument about restart goes on the more it is sounding like the brexit argument. There are a few loud voices calling for it not to happen to safeguard their own interests.

I can see the argument from Norwich whereby they have got to play so the championship should be forced to play . That is where the stumbling block is because all the extra costs incurred to get the games on will not be affordable by all the championship clubs.

With the added voices of players not willing to play, I can see it not starting at all and they will have to finish the leagues on a PPG basis with promotions and relegations being sorted on that basis. Voiding the season should be taken off the table.

It will also be the biggest kick up the backside for football with the refund of millions to sky and BT  and with no season next season because if we can't finish this season then next season cannot begin. So no TV money for the clubs next season.

What a mess !!!


Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 14, 2020, 10:38:19 AM
I thought the FA had said to the EPL there must be  a finish and it cannot be voided.
The choice is either finished by playing or finish by PPG.

This is why relegation threatened EPL clubs have turned their attention to jumping on the idea of unfairness if the EPL have to play but the EFL don't. They know the EPL season will not be voided.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 14, 2020, 11:21:03 AM
I thought the FA had said to the EPL there must be  a finish and it cannot be voided.
The choice is either finished by playing or finish by PPG.

This is why relegation threatened EPL clubs have turned their attention to jumping on the idea of unfairness if the EPL have to play but the EFL don't. They know the EPL season will not be voided.


I can see their point on this. We don't gave to return and get promoted on ppg while they gave to return a get relegated on a full if compromised season.


Either both play to completion or both decided by ppg.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on May 14, 2020, 11:31:04 AM

I can see their point on this. We don't gave to return and get promoted on ppg while they gave to return a get relegated on a full if compromised season.


Either both play to completion or both decided by ppg.

But can the whole of the Championship play to completion with all the added costs of testing etc and no gate income.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 14, 2020, 11:33:39 AM
Quote

But can the whole of the Championship play to completion with all the added costs of testing etc and no gate income.


Frankly that's not Norwich, Villa et als problem.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on May 14, 2020, 12:05:27 PM
So looking at the logistics of the task in hand there are nine games to complete with 27 points to play for.  Speeding these up so we play two, maybe three a week means we need a month to complete the season.  Training has not yet started, and there will be a lead time of three weeks to get players fit (at least). 

Logistically then a late June start is possible, and I would go so far as to say likely.  However, the bigger challenge then is the start of the 2020/1 season.  We may get promoted, but when we do, we will have a tired team with a very limited number of new faces.  This might set us up to go straight back down again?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on May 14, 2020, 12:16:55 PM
We too are looking to refund ticket monies.......

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/may/albion-to-refund-match-ticket-purchases/

Hi Dan, thank you for the link.

It warms the "cockles of your heart" reading good and positive things about the Albion and it augurs well for Season Ticket Holders.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 14, 2020, 12:19:18 PM

I can see their point on this. We don't gave to return and get promoted on ppg while they gave to return a get relegated on a full if compromised season.


Either both play to completion or both decided by ppg.

I agree with this , our great club would have a stigma attached to it's name forever if they completed and we didn't
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on May 14, 2020, 12:37:57 PM

I can see their point on this. We don't gave to return and get promoted on ppg while they gave to return a get relegated on a full if compromised season.


Either both play to completion or both decided by ppg.

Fine by me, PPG it is then. Relegation issue sorted without another ball being kicked and we'd go up without having to read about the next wriggling proviso.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: kc56wba on May 14, 2020, 12:42:15 PM
Fine by me, PPG it is then. Relegation issue sorted without another ball being kicked and we'd go up without having to read about the next wriggling proviso.

Totally agree Dan. It is too dangerous to start up football just yet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggie82 on May 14, 2020, 01:07:16 PM
Totally agree Dan. It is too dangerous to start up football just yet.

This doesn't make much sense to me

1) The virus is not a threat to life to people under 40 who are in good health (less than 1% of the deaths have been in respect of people under 40 and mostly they have had underlying health conditions). Professional footballers by definition are in excellent health.

2) The risk of the virus will not be any less of an issue later this year or early next year - unless of course it spreads further in the winter (the sun helps to limit external exposure).

So if you're saying it's too dangerous for healthy footballers to play behind closed doors then your closing down football full stop until a proven vaccine is available which may happen in the next year or may never happen. So you're not only cancelling this season, you are aslo cancelling 2020/21 as well.

My view is that football should start behind closed doors as soon as possible and that most parties pushing for delay or cancellation have a vested interest to do so.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: boinging_along on May 14, 2020, 01:36:18 PM
I think people are seeing the death rate being the issue - it's possible to get seriously sick from it even if under the age of 70.  How do you play a game when half the team is out with symptoms?
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Post by: gazberg on May 14, 2020, 01:40:00 PM
I think people are seeing the death rate being the issue - it's possible to get seriously sick from it even if under the age of 70.  How do you play a game when half the team is out with symptoms?

Should be treated like an injury and that is the plan.
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Post by: boinging_along on May 14, 2020, 01:43:11 PM
Should be treated like an injury and that is the plan.
But how do you play a game with not enough players?  It won't just be 1 or 2 players at a club who will get it, it'll be most of them, you can't social distance at football.  And it's fine for us to go "they're young, they'll be fine", but they *could* still be seriously ill from it, they *could* still pass it on to their family.
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Post by: baggiemart on May 14, 2020, 01:55:10 PM
But how do you play a game with not enough players?  It won't just be 1 or 2 players at a club who will get it, it'll be most of them, you can't social distance at football.  And it's fine for us to go "they're young, they'll be fine", but they *could* still be seriously ill from it, they *could* still pass it on to their family.

But if they are going to extraordinary lengths to test all players and staff every few days and putting in all the other safeguards.  How on earth will they catch it ?
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Post by: tuamigos on May 14, 2020, 02:06:13 PM
But if they are going to extraordinary lengths to test all players and staff every few days and putting in all the other safeguards.  How on earth will they catch it ?

Having a test every day won't stop you getting it will it? Just have to be in the wrong place at the wrong time
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 14, 2020, 02:10:25 PM
Life has to go on eventually, you won't get a safer more controlled environment than this. There is no way they can remain shut down until a vaccine which may never materialise is available.
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Post by: baggiemart on May 14, 2020, 02:15:08 PM
Having a test every day won't stop you getting it will it? Just have to be in the wrong place at the wrong time

We have now got more people travelling on public transport everyday to go to work. Some with masks other without.  They can't stay away forever. Life has got to go on !!
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Post by: tuamigos on May 14, 2020, 02:36:20 PM
We have now got more people travelling on public transport everyday to go to work. Some with masks other without.  They can't stay away forever. Life has got to go on !!

and it will, but not as we're used to.
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Post by: baggiemart on May 14, 2020, 02:38:56 PM
and it will, but not as we're used to.

True.  But not as it is now !!!
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Post by: baggie82 on May 14, 2020, 04:09:09 PM
But how do you play a game with not enough players?  It won't just be 1 or 2 players at a club who will get it, it'll be most of them, you can't social distance at football.  And it's fine for us to go "they're young, they'll be fine", but they *could* still be seriously ill from it, they *could* still pass it on to their family.

The chances of a professional footballer catching Covid and becoming seriously ill are minuscule. Less than 0.1%! Look at the stats. Covid has a mortality rate of up to 1% and 96% who die of that are aged 45 or older. Of the 4% aged up to 44 who die 95% of them have underlying health conditions.

So the risk to healthy adults aged up to 45 of dying is 5% of of 4% of 1%! That is 0.002%!!! The risk to footballers is even lower than that as they are professional athletes.

They are more at risk from dying in a car crash on the way to training. Are you suggesting that they hermit themselves at home for two years? Yes they could pass it on to their family. That could happen regardless of playing games or not playing. Just like everybody else in the country who has to venture into a supermarket, the park or work.

Anyone who is against games being played behind closed doors needs to explain when if ever they think football should be restated - what is your standard of risk?  Presumably it is zero which means no football for years if ever again if we don’t have a vaccine!
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Post by: richjonawba on May 14, 2020, 06:01:11 PM
The chances of a professional footballer catching Covid and becoming seriously ill are minuscule. Less than 0.1%! Look at the stats. Covid has a mortality rate of up to 1% and 96% who die of that are aged 45 or older. Of the 4% aged up to 44 who die 95% of them have underlying health conditions.

So the risk to healthy adults aged up to 45 of dying is 5% of of 4% of 1%! That is 0.002%!!! The risk to footballers is even lower than that as they are professional athletes.

They are more at risk from dying in a car crash on the way to training. Are you suggesting that they hermit themselves at home for two years? Yes they could pass it on to their family. That could happen regardless of playing games or not playing. Just like everybody else in the country who has to venture into a supermarket, the park or work.

Anyone who is against games being played behind closed doors needs to explain when if ever they think football should be restated - what is your standard of risk?  Presumably it is zero which means no football for years if ever again if we don’t have a vaccine!

Agree entirely. It’s patently ridiculous that people are against behind closed doors football on grounds of risk to health. If you’re against this there can’t be much you’re not against, surely no one should be leaving their homes at all for the next year.

As previously stated deaths and more than moderate symptoms from this virus are reserved for the unhealthy, mostly those with metabolic syndrome and/or vitamin D deficiency, both of which compromise immune function. To suggest footballers *could suffer from more than moderate symptoms is basically the same as saying they could be at risk of a shark attack if they went for a swim. It’s sensationalist nonsense which completely ignores cause and effect, immune function and the available data regardimg this virus.
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Post by: alex1 on May 14, 2020, 06:25:04 PM
The chances of a professional footballer catching Covid and becoming seriously ill are minuscule. Less than 0.1%! Look at the stats. Covid has a mortality rate of up to 1% and 96% who die of that are aged 45 or older. Of the 4% aged up to 44 who die 95% of them have underlying health conditions.

So the risk to healthy adults aged up to 45 of dying is 5% of of 4% of 1%! That is 0.002%!!! The risk to footballers is even lower than that as they are professional athletes.

They are more at risk from dying in a car crash on the way to training. Are you suggesting that they hermit themselves at home for two years? Yes they could pass it on to their family. That could happen regardless of playing games or not playing. Just like everybody else in the country who has to venture into a supermarket, the park or work.

Anyone who is against games being played behind closed doors needs to explain when if ever they think football should be restated - what is your standard of risk?  Presumably it is zero which means no football for years if ever again if we don’t have a vaccine!
As you say the risk to the players themselves is small, but the problem is that the more widely spread the virus is within the population, the easier it is to pass it on to older or more vulnerable people. The other issue is whether testing the players and staff takes vital testing capacity away from others who may be more vulnerable.
On balance, I'm in favour of behind closed doors, but only after very strict compliance with health rules and assuming it hasn't taken away health testing resources for others.
(I don't know the answer to the latter.)
I think we will see some very strange results, just one reason being when a whole team has to be quarrantined. However, I think on balance its better than voiding the season.
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Post by: paulosull on May 14, 2020, 07:02:34 PM
Only people moaning about resumption of season are those with relagation worries,  powers that be should once and for all state that this season will end behind closed doors or PPG with three teams from Championship replacing those in bottom three see how tune changes then.
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Post by: gazberg on May 14, 2020, 07:14:33 PM
True, most individual footballers i follow on Twitter from a variety of clubs are absolutely buzzing they can play again. I'm sure there are a few who ain't but they are in such a small minority. It's mainly the clubs and boards fearing relegation not so much the players.
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Post by: WBArgo on May 14, 2020, 08:19:05 PM
As you say the risk to the players themselves is small, but the problem is that the more widely spread the virus is within the population, the easier it is to pass it on to older or more vulnerable people. The other issue is whether testing the players and staff takes vital testing capacity away from others who may be more vulnerable.
On balance, I'm in favour of behind closed doors, but only after very strict compliance with health rules and assuming it hasn't taken away health testing resources for others.
(I don't know the answer to the latter.)
I think we will see some very strange results, just one reason being when a whole team has to be quarrantined. However, I think on balance its better than voiding the season.


I think there will be very strict health rules, I've seen Turkish players have to walk through a metal-detector thing like at an airport which sprays them before training etc.

I agree on the results, I think fitness and squad depth will have more of a say rather than tactics and skill.
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Post by: baggiemart on May 14, 2020, 08:37:30 PM
The chances of a professional footballer catching Covid and becoming seriously ill are minuscule. Less than 0.1%! Look at the stats. Covid has a mortality rate of up to 1% and 96% who die of that are aged 45 or older. Of the 4% aged up to 44 who die 95% of them have underlying health conditions.

So the risk to healthy adults aged up to 45 of dying is 5% of of 4% of 1%! That is 0.002%!!! The risk to footballers is even lower than that as they are professional athletes.

They are more at risk from dying in a car crash on the way to training. Are you suggesting that they hermit themselves at home for two years? Yes they could pass it on to their family. That could happen regardless of playing games or not playing. Just like everybody else in the country who has to venture into a supermarket, the park or work.

Anyone who is against games being played behind closed doors needs to explain when if ever they think football should be restated - what is your standard of risk?  Presumably it is zero which means no football for years if ever again if we don’t have a vaccine!

Great post. Makes complete sense.

You should send a copy of this to  every premier league player !!
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 14, 2020, 09:07:14 PM
I think there will be very strict health rules, I've seen Turkish players have to walk through a metal-detector thing like at an airport which sprays them before training etc.

I agree on the results, I think fitness and squad depth will have more of a say rather than tactics and skill.
Metal detector thing that sprays them? 😁
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 15, 2020, 12:59:14 AM
and it will, but not as we're used to.
We’ll soon get back into the swing of things. 😁
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Post by: Hull Baggie on May 15, 2020, 09:23:44 AM
This thread is for club/football related Coronavirus stuff only. The clue's in the topic title.

Please post non football stuff in the Coronavirus thread in the non football thread. Thanks.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 15, 2020, 11:54:40 AM
Charlie Austin Twitter Q and A says playing in empty stadiums would not negatively impact the players' performances.


Nice to see someone not pandering to supporters ahead of honesty.
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Post by: johnny Cash on May 15, 2020, 01:42:38 PM
Charlie Austin Twitter Q and A says playing in empty stadiums would not negatively impact the players' performances.


Nice to see someone not pandering to supporters ahead of honesty.

I’d be surprised if it didn’t effect some players, but that doesn’t necessarily mean negatively. Some players with probably enjoy it.
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Post by: gazberg on May 15, 2020, 02:58:03 PM
League 2 have agreed to end season on PPG basis.  3 to go up, playoffs to be held. Confirmation later apparently. Sensible for them
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Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on May 15, 2020, 03:08:34 PM
I'm sorry but the season will not be finished. You are never going to get all the clubs to agree. It's just not practical. As soon as a player gets the virus, then its all over anyway. The Greed League will look after it's own. They wont kick another ball in anger. Imagine 'forcing' clubs to play and a player contracts the virus whilst allegedly playing. God knows the lawyers will have a field day. I think its unrealistic to think we will finish the season. It's just what arrangement the leagues come to about promotion and relegation. Whatever is agreed, someone is going to take legal action. Not even convinced that next season can start until the lawyers have filled their pockets.
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Post by: gazberg on May 15, 2020, 03:15:24 PM
You don't need all teams to agree. Just a majority based on the options presented to them.
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Post by: baggie82 on May 15, 2020, 07:22:08 PM
I'm sorry but the season will not be finished. You are never going to get all the clubs to agree. It's just not practical. As soon as a player gets the virus, then its all over anyway.

A player who tests positive would have be quarantined for a week or two, it wouldn't have any larger effect that that. A handful of players tested positive in Germany last week, their top two flights are still playing this weekend. Players who do test positive will recover quickly and then be immune from catching it.

The Greed League will look after it's own. They wont kick another ball in anger. Imagine 'forcing' clubs to play and a player contracts the virus whilst allegedly playing. God knows the lawyers will have a field day. I think its unrealistic to think we will finish the season. It's just what arrangement the leagues come to about promotion and relegation. Whatever is agreed, someone is going to take legal action. Not even convinced that next season can start until the lawyers have filled their pockets.

Clubs in the premiership have competing priorities, they are not one block of opinion. Some want to play and some want the season cancelled. The talk of legal action is also far fetched. I am a lawyer. It would be impossible to prove that a footballer contracted covid from training or playing and even if you could that doesn't make their employer, the club liable. Footballers would not be suing their own club anyway - imagine how that go down, it would be a PR disaster.

Ultimately the season is finished or we revert to PPG, however if the season is cancelled then 20/21 must also be cancelled as the risk is no different for next season. So no football until August 2021....which is not going to happen in my view. It would devastate clubs financially. Including those in the Prem with large wage bills no media revenue.

In reality there is no risk / problem with playing games behind closed doors. There is a lot of discussion and politics being played out. That will hopefully come to a conclusion shortly. 

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Post by: AlbionFan on May 15, 2020, 08:37:09 PM
Quote from Brum Mail a few hours ago: EFL have confirmed an unweighted points-per-game system will be used to decide promotion and relegation if season is curtailed.

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Post by: gazberg on May 15, 2020, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from Brum Mail a few hours ago: EFL have confirmed an unweighted points-per-game system will be used to decide promotion and relegation if season is curtailed.

The fairest outcome.
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Post by: Standaman on May 16, 2020, 08:52:05 AM
I think the Bundesliga resuming will might go some way to reassure players that they are going to be protected. The football authorities can at least learn from the experience and providing it is successful players can be assured that they won't be taking an unnecessary risk.

The League 2 decision is quite literally the only way forward for the league. A number of chairman have been reluctant to let it go but asking a League 2 club to spend upwards of £150,000 on testing just to play out a season with virtually no income is just plain daft. The fact they are a team short with Bury going out of business means that even without relegating Stevenage they can promote Barrow and therefore are not pulling up the ladder on the national league

I am surprised that league 1 has not followed suit. It seems that those in and around the play-offs are desperate to finish the season so they can get a shot at the promised land of Championship football. Not so sure it is much of a promised land but a I guess it might be a slightly better position than league 1 going forward.

I fear the notion that the Premier League's bottom 6 argument of we won't accept promotion from a league that hasn't completed it's programme has started gain some purchase. If the FA accept that argument then it has to be applied up and down the leagues. Frankly it is standing in the way of a sensible decision for League  forcing league 1 teams to complete will put a number of them into administration and with a third of a league starting on minus 12 points whenever the programme is reconvened where is your sporting integrity then?   

We are in a league that just about can complete the programme. Although if the league below does not the clubs at the bottom of the Championship have the same argument that the ones at the bottom of the Premier League are currently using and therefore a powerful incentive not to resume.

I feel the FA who I think have some power of veto need to be clear. The individual leagues can make whatever decision they want to about resumption of the programme based on the practicalities and financial implications (which are different for each league) however under all circumstances given the season is two thirds complete there will be promotion and relegation. If they did that a lot of the ******** would disappear.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on May 16, 2020, 09:39:33 AM
I think the Bundesliga resuming will might go some way to reassure players that they are going to be protected. The football authorities can at least learn from the experience and providing it is successful players can be assured that they won't be taking an unnecessary risk.

The League 2 decision is quite literally the only way forward for the league. A number of chairman have been reluctant to let it go but asking a League 2 club to spend upwards of £150,000 on testing just to play out a season with virtually no income is just plain daft. The fact they are a team short with Bury going out of business means that even without relegating Stevenage they can promote Barrow and therefore are not pulling up the ladder on the national league

I am surprised that league 1 has not followed suit. It seems that those in and around the play-offs are desperate to finish the season so they can get a shot at the promised land of Championship football. Not so sure it is much of a promised land but a I guess it might be a slightly better position than league 1 going forward.

I fear the notion that the Premier League's bottom 6 argument of we won't accept promotion from a league that hasn't completed it's programme has started gain some purchase. If the FA accept that argument then it has to be applied up and down the leagues. Frankly it is standing in the way of a sensible decision for League  forcing league 1 teams to complete will put a number of them into administration and with a third of a league starting on minus 12 points whenever the programme is reconvened where is your sporting integrity then?   

We are in a league that just about can complete the programme. Although if the league below does not the clubs at the bottom of the Championship have the same argument that the ones at the bottom of the Premier League are currently using and therefore a powerful incentive not to resume.

I feel the FA who I think have some power of veto need to be clear. The individual leagues can make whatever decision they want to about resumption of the programme based on the practicalities and financial implications (which are different for each league) however under all circumstances given the season is two thirds complete there will be promotion and relegation. If they did that a lot of the bullsh*t would disappear.

I thought the FA had already said, there will be relegation and promotion.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: kc56wba on May 16, 2020, 10:55:23 AM
From the express and star.

Hawthorns chief: West Brom are ready to go.

The Hawthorns is ready to host behind-closed-doors football if the 2019/20 season is not curtailed and Albion can resume their push for promotion.

With football has been suspended since March due to the coronavirus pandemic, the government, Premier League and EFL are all currently locked in talks in the hope that it can make a safe return in June.

And the football authorities have confirmed – if they are able to resume – all matches will be played behind closed doors without supporters.

There have been concerns among Championship clubs that not all stadia would be suitable to host behind closed doors matches while adhering to the government’s health and safety advice.

Albion, though, believe The Hawthorns is now ready to stage such matches.

“In effect, we’ve been planning for the behind closed doors scenario since the postponement of the Blues game,” said operations director Mark Miles.

“We’ve moved on significantly since then. Obviously, our planning needs to take account of the prevailing guidance and requirements.

“But we’ve looked at who we will need to run the stadium, how to access and exit, social distancing, any relevant testing, personal protective equipment requirements, cleaning before and after – all the elements that you might expect.

“Our plan is to be as efficient as possible to help limit the drain on our front-line services. Medical aid required on site, for example, would come from private operators not the WM Ambulance Service.”

Miles is responsible for all Albion’s facilities and match day operations.

He is also in charge of health and safety and in 2013 became chairman of the National Football Safety Officer Association.

And he said plans have been put in place so that there is limited interaction between people at behind closed doors games.

Media interviews, for example, will be conducted pitchside and at a safe distance. Typically, though, he expects between 200 and 250 people to be inside the stadium for a behind closed doors game.

“It would vary depending on TV coverage,” he said when asked how many people will be at a game. Our stadium is spacious enough to ensure safe distancing. But we will be strictly monitoring access – only those who absolutely need to be inside will be allowed.

“Fortunately, we can have a close look at the Bundesliga this weekend to see how they cope with these requirements. But I am confident we are more than ready to stage the contest should we get the go-ahead.”

While Albion are ready to host matches behind closed doors, the government, EFL are Premier League are still waiting to receive support from the police to allow teams to play at their own stadiums.


The lead police officer on the UK Football Policing Unit, Mark Roberts, has said publicly he believes holding matches at neutral grounds is the only way football can return safely.

Local police forces have to be content that matches will not place a strain on the emergency services during or compromise public health – with there fears fans will turn up at grounds even if they can’t get in.

But a meeting held on Monday, attended by representatives from the Sports Grounds Safety Authority and EFL, has paved the way for the plan to use neutral grounds to be dropped.

It came after Premier League clubs expressed a preference to play behind closed doors in their own stadiums.

As yet, though, there has been n official confirmation teams will be able to play at their own grounds.
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Post by: wbarenno on May 16, 2020, 11:09:11 AM
How do you need 200-250 people for a behind closed door game  :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 16, 2020, 11:36:01 AM
I thought the FA had already said, there will be relegation and promotion.

Yes when it was tentatively suggested that relegation would come off the table if the Premier League were to restart BCD at neutral grounds. The not accepting promotion from a league that was not completed if the Premier League does complete is a slightly different argument and one which hasn't as far as I am aware been kicked into touch by the FA.

 
How do you need 200-250 people for a behind closed door game  :o

Seems a lot I guess if it's televised media staff is not insignificant. Do they give access to the print media?

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 16, 2020, 11:47:50 AM
Medical staff, trainers, directors, League officials, some security of some form, manager and players, media and reporters with engineers.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on May 16, 2020, 12:09:46 PM
Medical staff, trainers, directors, League officials, some security of some form, manager and players, media and reporters with engineers.
Plus a few ball-boys I would hope, or it may get a bit tiresome to watch towards the end of games. Goodness only knows how much stoppage time will be added.
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Post by: boinging_along on May 16, 2020, 02:36:46 PM
Plus a few ball-boys I would hope, or it may get a bit tiresome to watch towards the end of games. Goodness only knows how much stoppage time will be added.

4 minutes, it's always 4 minutes.  Unless there's been a serious injury, then you might get 5.  I'd like to see timewasting being clamped down on by ref's playing an additional 1 or 2 mins each time they have to warn someone.  At the moment it never feels like much time is added on due to time wasting, and even worse, when a player gets booked for timewasting it never seems much is added on.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 16, 2020, 02:57:01 PM
All media could be done remotely, absolute farce if the likes of Madeley and Masi are in the ground never mind the Nationals.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on May 18, 2020, 01:58:56 PM
SFA have called it a day in Scotland, Celtic champions with Hearts relagated. Common sense approach to finish season if impossible to do it on pitch.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 18, 2020, 02:18:14 PM
SFA have called it a day in Scotland, Celtic champions with Hearts relagated. Common sense approach to finish season if impossible to do it on pitch.


Hearts already discussing legal action. Money in the SPL a fraction of the top flight here. Another indicator of us completing the season.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on May 18, 2020, 02:21:24 PM
There is no excuse to not finish the season.

The first matches in the German league went okay so I can't see why we can't do the same.

Too many people in this country we a negative outlook on things. The German mindset seems to be if theres a way to do it we will do it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Adder on May 18, 2020, 02:32:03 PM
There is no excuse to not finish the season.

The first matches in the German league went okay so I can't see why we can't do the same.

Too many people in this country we a negative outlook on things. The German mindset seems to be if theres a way to do it we will do it.
Germany are further down the virus path than us and their whole virus management was better than ours. We can't just say if they can do it so can we.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on May 18, 2020, 02:41:06 PM
Germany are further down the virus path than us and their whole virus management was better than ours. We can't just say if they can do it so can we.

No Germany managed the virus better than us. 

There are strict measures being introduced to safeguard footballers, more than any other industry, so I cannot understand why so many footballers are still against playing !!!!
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 18, 2020, 03:18:19 PM
No Germany managed the virus better than us. 

There are strict measures being introduced to safeguard footballers, more than any other industry, so I cannot understand why so many footballers are still against playing !!!!
They are against it because if they are rubbish this far in to the season ..so will probably continue to be so and get relegated....null the season and stay up is their plan.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 18, 2020, 03:52:41 PM
Let's assume the current season is finished, what then?

The EPL might be able to operate with broadcast money as a revenue  source, EFL almost certainly wouldn't, at all levels gate receipts are a major revenue source.

Now it might be possible to maintain social distancing in all seater stadia, by using alternative seats & alternative rows, but that would reduce capacity by about 75%.

To maintain this season's revenue level that would mean increasing ticket prices 4 fold, so a £25 match ticket becomes £100.

Who would still go?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Adder on May 18, 2020, 04:03:51 PM
No Germany managed the virus better than us. 

There are strict measures being introduced to safeguard footballers, more than any other industry, so I cannot understand why so many footballers are still against playing !!!!
Isn't that exactly what I said or have you made a typo ? I'm just saying we can't make a direct comparison with Germany and just put their progress towards playing again down to positive attitude.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 18, 2020, 04:10:16 PM
There is no excuse to not finish the season.

The first matches in the German league went okay so I can't see why we can't do the same.

Too many people in this country we a negative outlook on things. The German mindset seems to be if theres a way to do it we will do it.

Sadly, the doom mongers and lockdown cultists are very much in a majority despite a much improved situation.
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Post by: Adder on May 18, 2020, 05:03:58 PM
Sadly, the doom mongers and lockdown cultists are very much in a majority despite a much improved situation.
I'm certain the stressed out health care workers (as of last week 144 NHS dead, 130 plus care-workers dead) will be desperate to avoid a second wave, hence the need for careful consideration over the timing of lifting restrictions.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on May 18, 2020, 05:34:35 PM
Sadly, the doom mongers and lockdown cultists are very much in a majority despite a much improved situation.

Unbelievably naive. Best of luck out there.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 18, 2020, 05:47:15 PM
Sadly, the doom mongers and lockdown cultists are very much in a majority despite a much improved situation.

It wouldn't be difficult to solve your problem, the stats demonstrate quite clearly, that those most at risk by miles, are in the over 65/70 age group.

So if you segmented that age group (around 15 million people), & the quarantined them, the under 65's could carry on as normal with minimal risk.

As a political decision, good luck with that.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 18, 2020, 05:51:07 PM
SFA have called it a day in Scotland, Celtic champions with Hearts relagated. Common sense approach to finish season if impossible to do it on pitch.

Common sense is not the phrase I’d used.

The events leading up to that vote have been scandalous.
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Post by: paulosull on May 18, 2020, 06:01:19 PM
Common sense is not the phrase I’d used.

The events leading up to that vote have been scandalous.
majority of clubs voted to end season, it was only Rangers and Hearts who opposed in top division, Slipalot and Gers didn't want Boys to win nine in a row where as Jambo's were bottom of league
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 18, 2020, 06:09:07 PM
Let's assume the current season is finished, what then?

The EPL might be able to operate with broadcast money as a revenue  source, EFL almost certainly wouldn't, at all levels gate receipts are a major revenue source.

Now it might be possible to maintain social distancing in all seater stadia, by using alternative seats & alternative rows, but that would reduce capacity by about 75%.

To maintain this season's revenue level that would mean increasing ticket prices 4 fold, so a £25 match ticket becomes £100.

Who would still go?


Pie in the sky stuff John. There will be no crowds at football until it's safe to attend in the normal pre-Covid manner.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 18, 2020, 06:10:48 PM
That said, it would be interesting to see average attendance as a percentage of total capacity with away fans removed for Leagues 1 and 2.
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Post by: Standaman on May 18, 2020, 06:17:16 PM
I think this from Rob Harris of AP speaks to the likelihood of "normal" service beiing resumed anytime soon.

Premier League medical advisor Mark Gillett reveals the government medical experts "made it very clear that the social situation, the public health situation is not going to change over the next SIX to TWELVE months."

It is not a question of mortality risk it is a question of the risk of infection which is borne by everyone regardless of age the greater level of infection the greater the risk to all age groups. If only 0.1% of population under 65 was at risk of death potentially still a huge number of deaths.

Football will only be returning BCD and that has some fairly significant implications. The game had to better get it's collective thinking caps on and the way things were is not a very helpful template.   
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Post by: SmethDan on May 18, 2020, 06:52:45 PM
.........Premier League medical advisor Mark Gillett reveals the government medical experts "made it very clear that the social situation, the public health situation is not going to change over the next SIX to TWELVE months."........

A thoroughly depressing prospect, I think I'm going to need to take up home brewing. Might try distilling some grass from the back garden, provided I can find any without cat excrement.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 18, 2020, 07:00:35 PM
It wouldn't be difficult to solve your problem, the stats demonstrate quite clearly, that those most at risk by miles, are in the over 65/70 age group.

So if you segmented that age group (around 15 million people), & the quarantined them, the under 65's could carry on as normal with minimal risk.

As a political decision, good luck with that.
You highlight perfectly a major issue
There are some obvious and sensible answers to some conundrums.....but no one dare state them.
Because everybody can’t wait to be upset.
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Post by: Standaman on May 18, 2020, 07:09:14 PM
A thoroughly depressing prospect, I think I'm going to need to take up home brewing. Might try distilling some grass from the back garden, provided I can find any without cat excrement.

Well given the length of time you might have enough time to raise a crop of potatoes and I've a recipe for Potcheen if that's helpful.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 18, 2020, 07:47:39 PM

Pie in the sky stuff John. There will be no crowds at football until it's safe to attend in the normal pre-Covid manner.

I'm at a loss to know where clubs outside the EPL are going to get revenue from then, as others have said the current model just don't work.

It doesn't look as though covid19 is going anywhere soon, so it's going to be down to managed solutions.

I read recently, that the Italian Government have laid down a challenge for Architects to design a model where restaurants can work effectively with social distancing.
I looks as though they have recognised we're in this for the long haul.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 18, 2020, 07:59:40 PM
I'm at a loss to know where clubs outside the EPL are going to get revenue from then, as others have said the current model just don't work.

It doesn't look as though covid19 is going anywhere soon, so it's going to be down to managed solutions.

I read recently, that the Italian Government have laid down a challenge for Architects to design a model where restaurants can work effectively with social distancing.
I looks as though they have recognised we're in this for the long haul.


Unfortunately it's a straightforward solution,  many of the EFL clubs with have to go semi professional. The ramifications of COVID-19 on lower league football are huge.
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Post by: Standaman on May 19, 2020, 10:05:10 AM
From John Percy with paywalled article attached.

Hull City are today revealed as the first Championship club to oppose season restart, insisting the season must be voided in a letter to EFL chairman Rick Parry & the 23 clubs. Details here, with vice-chairman Ehab Allam outlining "serious concerns"

Rough translation of serious concerns etc "Having sold our best two players in January my club is dropping like a stone toward relegation. I do not like the prospect of League One football can someone somewhere do something about it."

This is like a game of whack a mole as soon as one Chairman with a self interested piece of nonsense is hit on the head another one pops up.
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Post by: Hull Baggie on May 19, 2020, 10:22:05 AM
From John Percy with paywalled article attached.

Hull City are today revealed as the first Championship club to oppose season restart, insisting the season must be voided in a letter to EFL chairman Rick Parry & the 23 clubs. Details here, with vice-chairman Ehab Allam outlining "serious concerns"

Rough translation of serious concerns etc "Having sold our best two players in January my club is dropping like a stone toward relegation. I do not like the prospect of League One football can someone somewhere do something about it."

This is like a game of whack a mole as soon as one Chairman with a self interested piece of nonsense is hit on the head another one pops up.

 I think his "serious concern" is that the club have been up for sale for something like 5 years with hardly a sniff of interest and with relegation to league 1 that lack of interest will just be compounded.

They have been, as you say, dropping like a stone and were likely to be relegated.They were bottom of the league on form with no sign of an upturn in form.
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Post by: Standaman on May 19, 2020, 12:07:07 PM
I think his "serious concern" is that the club have been up for sale for something like 5 years with hardly a sniff of interest and with relegation to league 1 that lack of interest will just be compounded.

They have been, as you say, dropping like a stone and were likely to be relegated.They were bottom of the league on form with no sign of an upturn in form.

However slim their prospects of getting a sale were prior to the close down they are virtually none existent now almost regardless of which division they are in. I doubt most owners in the Championship could give their clubs away now
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Post by: Topman on May 19, 2020, 12:08:53 PM
Sorry to ask a question that may have already been asked, but if and when games come back, behind closed doors, do we know if the fixtures will run in the original same order? I am certainly someone who is not looking forward to the prospects of behind closed doors games, as i have said before I fear the outcome of many games, it will be a leveler. That makes the Blues game, where we left off from very dangerous as a first match
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Post by: KN22 on May 19, 2020, 01:02:45 PM
If it restarts then yes, the games will run in the original pecking order as I understand it.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 19, 2020, 01:50:05 PM
However slim their prospects of getting a sale were prior to the close down they are virtually none existent now almost regardless of which division they are in. I doubt most owners in the Championship could give their clubs away now


And just when everybody thought WBA was watertight  :)
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 19, 2020, 01:53:38 PM
Just as a matter of interest, where do people think WBA will get revenue from (to pay players for example) if we continue with a bcd strategy.
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Post by: Baggy nerd on May 19, 2020, 02:22:41 PM
I can see the mid-table teams having a big impact on things. Firstly, they will be happy with a curtailment having nothing to play for and will not be keen on costs such as taking staff of furlough and testing. Secondly are they likely to put much effort into their 'pre-season' if football does restart?..that could leave top/bottom clubs with some easier matches.
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Post by: leeiswba on May 19, 2020, 02:30:48 PM
Just as a matter of interest, where do people think WBA will get revenue from (to pay players for example) if we continue with a bcd strategy.

We still have another year of parachute payments, not as big as the other two years but still a bit extra
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 19, 2020, 03:50:45 PM
Just as a matter of interest, where do people think WBA will get revenue from (to pay players for example) if we continue with a bcd strategy.


As it was prior to Covid-19 Albion can survive without matchday revenue. Lower down you go the less that is true, and it is a sharp drop off.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 19, 2020, 03:56:59 PM

As it was prior to Covid-19 Albion can survive without matchday revenue. Lower down you go the less that is true, and it is a sharp drop off.
We still have another year of parachute payments, not as big as the other two years but still a bit extra

Not guaranteed & even if it is, it's around £15 million, enough to pay 15 players on £20k a week.
In the Champs, (assuming no relegation from the prem), there would be 6 clubs who would have parachute money, The rest would exist entirely on self generated income.
As Stan says it's unlikely that owners will cough up, so for EFL football to continue there has to be an income stream.

My proposal for social distanced attendance got batted away, so I'm wondering if anybody else has any ideas.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 19, 2020, 03:59:32 PM

As it was prior to Covid-19 Albion can survive without matchday revenue. Lower down you go the less that is true, and it is a sharp drop off.

They might for the remainder of this season, but what about next?

Van Tam said, last night, we could be with this for up to two years.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 19, 2020, 04:05:03 PM
They might for the remainder of this season, but what about next?

Van Tam said, last night, we could be with this for up to two years.


Albion who will be promoted at the end of this season will be fine for 3 or 4 seasons at least without matchday revenue.


We will start to see smaller squads and as contracts end, lower wages but we will be fine. There are 50 clubs around and below us who probably won't, but we just aren't a good example.
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Post by: baggie82 on May 19, 2020, 04:49:11 PM
We should play out the season and get promoted or get promoted on a PPG basis. Our own financial future is then secure, although it remains to be seen what effect playing behind closed doors will have on the TV deal next season. A lot of clubs in the championship and below are going to be in huge difficulty financially, particularly league 1 & 2. I'd expect a combined bail out from the government and the PL to keep them ticking over for a year. But all of that can only be looked at once this season is dealt with. So the sooner clubs get playing again behind closed doors the better.
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Post by: Standaman on May 19, 2020, 05:01:14 PM
It is really difficult Ito see exactly where the money comes from. A lot depends on how much of the money that has already been paid to the club is refundable in the current circumstances. There is some broadcast revenue and maybe a bit from pay per view and commercial income from pitch side advertising.

In an earlier post I suggested that BCD in the Championship was barely sustainable and players need to take a wage cut of anything up to 90% to make it work.

We simply don't know going forward how football finance works anymore.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 19, 2020, 05:22:26 PM
It is really difficult Ito see exactly where the money comes from. A lot depends on how much of the money that has already been paid to the club is refundable in the current circumstances. There is some broadcast revenue and maybe a bit from pay per view and commercial income from pitch side advertising.

In an earlier post I suggested that BCD in the Championship was barely sustainable and players need to take a wage cut of anything up to 90% to make it work.

We simply don't know going forward how football finance works anymore.


One solution could be a WBA unique subscription media channel, but I don't know what the set-up costs would be.
Think I'd be happy to pay around £50 a month for all home matches, & it might be possible to make arrangements for viewing away matches.

I'd still subscribe to sky for EPL games.
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Post by: boinging_along on May 19, 2020, 05:29:14 PM

One solution could be a WBA unique subscription media channel, but I don't know what the set-up costs would be.
Think I'd be happy to pay around £50 a month for all home matches, & it might be possible to make arrangements for viewing away matches.

I'd still subscribe to sky for EPL games.

The iFollow service is kinda that.  Price was different between UK and outside the UK viewers though.  It was around £50 for UK, that included all matches that weren't at 3pm Saturday or a live broadcast on Sky\BT Sport (hence the price being low).  If you were outside the UK, or used a VPN, then for £120(? can't remember exact prices), you got all the matches except the live broadcast ones.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 19, 2020, 05:37:15 PM
majority of clubs voted to end season, it was only Rangers and Hearts who opposed in top division, Slipalot and Gers didn't want Boys to win nine in a row where as Jambo's were bottom of league

The bullying, coercion & changing of votes would show otherwise...

They should, like the Football and Premier League have voided the season.

This has been an embarrassing pantomime of self interest and greed in the middle of a pandemic.

I really could not give a rubbish about promotion. Void the season and return when it is safe for all to do so.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 19, 2020, 07:25:25 PM
The bullying, coercion & changing of votes would show otherwise...

They should, like the Football and Premier League have voided the season.

This has been an embarrassing pantomime of self interest and greed in the middle of a pandemic.

I really could not give a rubbish about promotion. Void the season and return when it is safe for all to do so.

Originally, I would have liked the season to have finished, but as time has gone on, football has become less important, & I'm pretty indifferent to it now.
On the other hand, I'm quite attached to WBA, & I'm really proud of the efforts the club & the Albion Foundation has made to help it's older fans & the community at large.
As the pandemic has developed, it's becoming increasingly likely that the virus is going to be around for a lot longer than first thought, & will have a significant impact on next season.

So, although I'm relaxed, in principle, to void the season, it would have to be a measured void to help prevent clubs going bust, & that would require goodwill all round.
I'm not seeing too much of that at the moment.
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Post by: baggiemart on May 19, 2020, 07:40:18 PM
We should play out the season and get promoted or get promoted on a PPG basis. Our own financial future is then secure, although it remains to be seen what effect playing behind closed doors will have on the TV deal next season. A lot of clubs in the championship and below are going to be in huge difficulty financially, particularly league 1 & 2. I'd expect a combined bail out from the government and the PL to keep them ticking over for a year. But all of that can only be looked at once this season is dealt with. So the sooner clubs get playing again behind closed doors the better.

I can't see the government bailing football out. There are a lot of industries struggling because of this, airlines, hospitality industry, house market, transport industry just to name a few .  I think the government would be even less popular than it is now if they decided to bail out an industry which is paying its workers extraordinary amounts of wages.

Football has long been an industry not in touch with the real world and sooner or later the bubble was going to burst. It was never sustainable for a long period of time.

Football has got to sort itself out and that could mean div 1 and 2 going part time and premiership and championship wages being reduced drastically.
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Post by: Westie on May 19, 2020, 09:03:28 PM
I do not believe the the season will be completed. I fear that self interest in some Premier League clubs will bring that division to a close, without any relegation. That will leave the Championship in the same boat, with no alternative to ending the season with no promotion or relegation. I’m sure, if that is how it turns out, that there will be plenty of lawyers rubbing their hands with glee with the prospect of the ensuing litigation.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 19, 2020, 09:18:20 PM
I do not believe the the season will be completed. I fear that self interest in some Premier League clubs will bring that division to a close, without any relegation. That will leave the Championship in the same boat, with no alternative to ending the season with no promotion or relegation. I’m sure, if that is how it turns out, that there will be plenty of lawyers rubbing their hands with glee with the prospect of the ensuing litigation.


This would be the last of last resorts, brought about only by a massive 2nd spike. The Premier League are desperate to get back playing. Hence the outlay on Project Restart.
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Post by: paulosull on May 20, 2020, 07:32:24 AM
PPG or play behind closed doors, baffled by Albion fans who would be happy to void season. Over three quarters of season played one of two outstanding teams in Championship, get out of this league before we're stuck in it for a while do you not remember the sixteen years in the wilderness when club nearly went to the wall? Seals down the road will be laughing into cornflakes with some of comments on here.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 20, 2020, 07:53:16 AM


Football has got to sort itself out and that could mean div 1 and 2 going part time and premiership and championship wages being reduced drastically.

Premiership & Top Championship players will then follow the money, probably into China.
Reduced wages will mean reduced standards, & then it won't be so marketable.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 20, 2020, 08:24:10 AM
PPG or play behind closed doors, baffled by Albion fans who would be happy to void season. Over three quarters of season played one of two outstanding teams in Championship, get out of this league before we're stuck in it for a while do you not remember the sixteen years in the wilderness when club nearly went to the wall? Seals down the road will be laughing into cornflakes with some of comments on here.

I do not care what they think - they are totally irrelevant

We have achieved nothing yet - I do not want a promotion awarded to us nor do I favour PPG. Football without spectators is a relatively rubbish spectacle and all the tossing and turning about disinfecting grass and corner flags have highlighted this sport for the embarrassment it is.

We have a football league that is hanging out of its backside with clubs struggling to survive. Promotion and relegation will mean absolutely nothing when half of the football league are in either administration or liquidation.

Void the season and then assess where we are in three months time.
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Post by: baggiemart on May 20, 2020, 09:06:44 AM
Premiership & Top Championship players will then follow the money, probably into China.
Reduced wages will mean reduced standards, & then it won't be so marketable.

Go to China ???   Really !!

If they want to do that then good riddance to most of them.  A lot of the foreign players who come over here are very average at best. They come here take the big wages and keep some of the promising young English players from getting any match time.

All of this could be good for the England national team.  The foreign players won't come here because there would be no big money in it for them. So our young English players get to play more matches and subsequently the English manager gets more choice for the England team. 
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Post by: gazberg on May 20, 2020, 09:08:22 AM
PPG would be the most logical if we are putting safety first. Voiding a campaign at over 80% complete would be the most illogical whether you are focused on health or not and I would be saying this if we were in the relegation zone.

Continuing with football in the top 2 flights is extremely low risk for all involved. The sooner it resumes and is finished the better IMO.
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Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2020, 09:41:53 AM
I do not care what they think - they are totally irrelevant

We have achieved nothing yet - I do not want a promotion awarded to us nor do I favour PPG. Football without spectators is a relatively rubbish spectacle and all the tossing and turning about disinfecting grass and corner flags have highlighted this sport for the embarrassment it is.

We have a football league that is hanging out of its backside with clubs struggling to survive. Promotion and relegation will mean absolutely nothing when half of the football league are in either administration or liquidation.

Void the season and then assess where we are in three months time.

I have some sympathy for this view but I have some major reservations.

If you view football as the Titanic and the Premier League as the life raft we need to do everything we can to get onto the life raft. There is not a prayer that the PL will throw the rest of professional game a lifeline the desperation of those already  on board is testimony to that.

If we all could just hunker down for a couple of months and finish off the season or start a new one then fine but the evidence is mounting to suggest that won't be the case. The game can't sustain a prolonged furlough at some point a BCD restart somewhere is inevitable these issues need to resolved at some point and sooner is better than latter.

In short if there is anyway for the club to get into the Premier League then I'm taking it. 

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Post by: paulosull on May 20, 2020, 10:35:50 AM
I do not care what they think - they are totally irrelevant

We have achieved nothing yet - I do not want a promotion awarded to us nor do I favour PPG. Football without spectators is a relatively rubbish spectacle and all the tossing and turning about disinfecting grass and corner flags have highlighted this sport for the embarrassment it is.

We have a football league that is hanging out of its backside with clubs struggling to survive. Promotion and relegation will mean absolutely nothing when half of the football league are in either administration or liquidation.

Void the season and then assess where we are in three months time.
totally disagree with you, why void a season that is almost complete? All your doing is rewarding failure. Football whether we like it or not is a business and a hell of a lot of money is available to 20 teams in prem if over a season your good enough you  stay up if not you get relegated. Even in a curtailed season that is  almost complete PPG would be a fair outcome.
My preference would be to get football up and running again finish season with out fans and then see what future holds.
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Post by: Webby on May 20, 2020, 11:37:30 AM
Think the points above make the most sense. If this was the 60's for example, end the season or void it would be fine.

Football now is a business/sports entertainment as we all know, not the common mans game. There is too much money and to many powerful business owners (especially Prem) for this void to be an option without people suing and threatening etc.

Only thing that would cause there to be universal agreement of stopping things I guess would be a major, major pandemic like Spanish flu (1919) that's killing 10s of millions of people or some giant natural disaster like Yellowstone going off that affects whole globe.
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Post by: leeiswba on May 20, 2020, 07:12:36 PM
I’ve gone past caring to be honest, it’s literally just a bunch of millionaires/billionaires arguing about how to best protect their investment without any care in the world about the football itself.

None of them care what happens to any other club, if someone gave me the option of Albion going up but 30 lower league teams going out of business or Albion staying down for 5 years and all lower league clubs staying in business I would pick the second option.

Everyone involved in making decisions would pick the first option I.e. looking after themselves.
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Post by: liverbaggie on May 20, 2020, 07:25:57 PM
Businesses come and go.
One mans meat is another mans poison.
We are a model club admired round the country.
So,if others fall by the wayside,so be it.
Thus coronavirus is setting new rules,maybe it was needed.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 20, 2020, 07:36:23 PM
totally disagree with you, why void a season that is almost complete? All your doing is rewarding failure. Football whether we like it or not is a business and a hell of a lot of money is available to 20 teams in prem if over a season your good enough you  stay up if not you get relegated. Even in a curtailed season that is  almost complete PPG would be a fair outcome.
My preference would be to get football up and running again finish season with out fans and then see what future holds.

If this would have happened in 2002 then Wolves would have been promoted above us. If this happens in 2005 the we do not make history with the great escape and would have been relegated. Football is played on a pitch, not an excel spresdsheet

You’re suggesting points per game because it is sufficient to see us promoted. A mathematician deciding the fate of football clubs. There are 9 games left in our season and two of those are against clubs immediately beneath us. I do not want a promotion with an asterisk against our name.

If the season cannot be continued with its supporters in its venues, then if a temporary suspension is out of the question due to contracts, just void the season and reconvene when it’s safe to do so.

You’re only championing PPG because it’s in your interests. At best you’re doing exactly what the likes of Villa, Watford and Hull are doing which you would criticise them for.

If we don’t go up, if we never go up, it means nothing to me. I’ll still be there. I hope the fans of Walsall, Accrington and Morecambe get to say the same.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 20, 2020, 07:46:24 PM


If the season cannot be continued with its supporters in its venues, then if a temporary suspension is out of the question due to contracts, just void the season and reconvene when it’s safe to do so.


I think I've said before Liam, I've not got a problem in principle to a re-set to August 2019.
What I wouldn't want is clubs like Villa being given a chance to rebuild their squad.

If it's a rewind, then it's a genuine rewind with the players we all had then.

Not sure how we'd deal with the players we bought in January, though
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 20, 2020, 08:06:38 PM
Think the points above make the most sense. If this was the 60's for example, end the season or void it would be fine.

Football now is a business/sports entertainment as we all know, not the common mans game. There is too much money and to many powerful business owners (especially Prem) for this void to be an option without people suing and threatening etc.

Only thing that would cause there to be universal agreement of stopping things I guess would be a major, major pandemic like Spanish flu (1919) that's killing 10s of millions of people or some giant natural disaster like Yellowstone going off that affects whole globe.
Probably wouldn’t have mentioned Yellowstone the way this year is planning out 😀
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 20, 2020, 08:07:23 PM
If this would have happened in 2002 then Wolves would have been promoted above us. If this happens in 2005 the we do not make history with the great escape and would have been relegated. Football is played on a pitch, not an excel spresdsheet

You’re suggesting points per game because it is sufficient to see us promoted. A mathematician deciding the fate of football clubs. There are 9 games left in our season and two of those are against clubs immediately beneath us. I do not want a promotion with an asterisk against our name.

If the season cannot be continued with its supporters in its venues, then if a temporary suspension is out of the question due to contracts, just void the season and reconvene when it’s safe to do so.

You’re only championing PPG because it’s in your interests. At best you’re doing exactly what the likes of Villa, Watford and Hull are doing which you would criticise them for.

If we don’t go up, if we never go up, it means nothing to me. I’ll still be there. I hope the fans of Walsall, Accrington and Morecambe get to say the same.


Think it's a moot point because unless there is a Spanish Flu level 2nd spike the season will be completed behind closed doors. No computers required.
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Post by: paulosull on May 20, 2020, 08:10:59 PM
If this would have happened in 2002 then Wolves would have been promoted above us. If this happens in 2005 the we do not make history with the great escape and would have been relegated. Football is played on a pitch, not an excel spresdsheet

You’re suggesting points per game because it is sufficient to see us promoted. A mathematician deciding the fate of football clubs. There are 9 games left in our season and two of those are against clubs immediately beneath us. I do not want a promotion with an asterisk against our name.

If the season cannot be continued with its supporters in its venues, then if a temporary suspension is out of the question due to contracts, just void the season and reconvene when it’s safe to do so.

You’re only championing PPG because it’s in your interests. At best you’re doing exactly what the likes of Villa, Watford and Hull are doing which you would criticise them for.

If we don’t go up, if we never go up, it means nothing to me. I’ll still be there. I hope the fans of Walsall, Accrington and Morecambe get to say the same.
mute point it didn't happen in 2002 or 2005, its happened now with season almost completed and Albion in a position to be promoted. As I've said I'd prefer to finish season on pitch but if impossible more than happy if PPG is used.
As for the way football is structured with clubs in financial difficulties hasn't that been part of the course for years.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 20, 2020, 08:13:57 PM
Probably wouldn’t have mentioned Yellowstone the way this year is planning out 😀

Robinson, Friday & now Yellowstone, been a good week for you  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2020, 08:41:41 AM
mute point it didn't happen in 2002 or 2005, its happened now with season almost completed and Albion in a position to be promoted. As I've said I'd prefer to finish season on pitch but if impossible more than happy if PPG is used.
As for the way football is structured with clubs in financial difficulties hasn't that been part of the course for years.

You’re missing my point - a lot can happen in 9 football matches that a excel spreadsheet cannot predict. Albion turning round an 11 point deficit or surviving on the final day. Had we relied on a mathematician then those events do not happen and we run the same possibility now.

Clubs are providing a stumbling block to playing behind closed doors and I do not see how that will work if clubs are refusing to play.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 21, 2020, 09:54:24 AM
From a sporting integrity perspective voiding the season is probably the right thing to do. We also spare ourselves the argument between players and clubs about the safety or otherwise of a BCD return. The sporting integrity argument has been greatly undermined by the it's  early and vociferous adoption of those with the most to gain from voiding the season. Yes, I am looking at you Karen Brady.

A reasonable compromise is a BCD completion which while not ideal and fraught with issues but at least it tidies up the season. You cannot have BCD completion without promotion/relegation which is quite probably the worst of all worlds. The problem here is not all leagues can complete BCD. League 2 can't and wont' in truth League 1 probably shouldn't which means some sort of other mechanism being introduced to resolve the promotion or relegation issues.

Equally to keep clubs honest there has to be the prospect of resolution by other means because at that point a team like Watford or Norwich would just keep on throwing up objection after objection to any other compromise solution that involved them playing out the season.

I always return to money. I am sorry but it is always about the money. After all it is a professional game. There was a time when fans might cocoon themselves in a boys own world where it was about the glory team spirit and love of the game and in more innocent times that might have been sustainable but not now.

Personally I retain enough sense of a community that I would happily forgo a questionable promotion if I thought that it would save a club any club further down the pyramid. Yet it won't and in the words of Bruce Springsteen "There are winners and losers down there and you don't want to be on the wrong side of that line"

My biggest fear is the Premier League season get's voided the broadcasters seek massive refunds and we get stuck for some of it because the parachute payments are part of it. Our position goes from one of relative comfort to one as least as hopeless as the most feckless gamblers in the division. We are talking about survival here.

 
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 21, 2020, 10:44:18 AM

My biggest fear is the Premier League season get's voided the broadcasters seek massive refunds and we get stuck for some of it because the parachute payments are part of it. Our position goes from one of relative comfort to one as least as hopeless as the most feckless gamblers in the division. We are talking about survival here.

I share your fear, Rolls Royce have just announced massive redundancies, why would anyone think that football is shielded.
There were rumours around last week that even if the EPL is finished BCD, the broadcasters wouldn't pay the full amount, that would have massive implications for us.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on May 21, 2020, 10:44:54 AM
You’re missing my point - a lot can happen in 9 football matches that a excel spreadsheet cannot predict. Albion turning round an 11 point deficit or surviving on the final day. Had we relied on a mathematician then those events do not happen and we run the same possibility now.

Clubs are providing a stumbling block to playing behind closed doors and I do not see how that will work if clubs are refusing to play.
I'd prefer to play rest of our games this season as I believe we will beat Leeds to championship but football governing body have indicated that in prem PPG would be used if clubs refuse to compete fixtures.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 21, 2020, 01:39:07 PM
From Mark Ogden Senior Football writer on ESPN

Man Utd confirm in Q3 financial results that a £15m rebate is due from clubs to PL broadcasters due to schedule changes in fixtures amid COVID-19 shutdown.

This confirms the best case scenario outright voiding would obviously be worse a lot worse and yes as recipient of parachute payments that has an impact on us.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 21, 2020, 01:47:54 PM
From Mark Ogden Senior Football writer on ESPN

Man Utd confirm in Q3 financial results that a £15m rebate is due from clubs to PL broadcasters due to schedule changes in fixtures amid COVID-19 shutdown.

This confirms the best case scenario outright voiding would obviously be worse a lot worse and yes as recipient of parachute payments that has an impact on us.

Hopefully, the re-payments would be pro-rata for smaller clubs, but there's potential for a hole of at least circa £100 million.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 21, 2020, 01:56:03 PM
I think the £15m is flat rated from what I can make out.

Litterally breaking news from EFL

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/may/efl-statement-coronavirus-update2

In summary league positions by PPG if regular season not played out.
Play-offs to be played out I assume BCD.

Makes sense
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Post by: gazberg on May 21, 2020, 02:35:15 PM
I think the £15m is flat rated from what I can make out.

Litterally breaking news from EFL

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/may/efl-statement-coronavirus-update2

In summary league positions by PPG if regular season not played out.
Play-offs to be played out I assume BCD.

Makes sense



Brilliant news. Clarity and confirmation is what was needed and is now what we have. EPL follow suit soon hopefuly.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 21, 2020, 02:38:46 PM
I think the £15m is flat rated from what I can make out.

Litterally breaking news from EFL

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/may/efl-statement-coronavirus-update2

In summary league positions by PPG if regular season not played out.
Play-offs to be played out I assume BCD.

Makes sense

Only scanned it but point 4 you would think guarantees League One will now be curtailed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2020, 03:03:08 PM


A reasonable compromise is a BCD completion which while not ideal and fraught with issues but at least it tidies up the season. You cannot have BCD completion without promotion/relegation which is quite probably the worst of all worlds. The problem here is not all leagues can complete BCD. League 2 can't and wont' in truth League 1 probably shouldn't which means some sort of other mechanism being introduced to resolve the promotion or relegation issues.


This is one of the issues for me. I don’t agree with the possibility of different scenarios being played across the four divisions across the football league - we can hardly preach sporting integrity if one division is curtailed, one is done on points per game and the other is done behind closed doors.

It’s one scenario across them all, for me.

And nor is behind closed doors a reasonable long term solution to the issue either  as were 3 months away from the next headache.
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Post by: BalisPen on May 21, 2020, 03:04:12 PM
I said weeks ago on here that the championship season won't be finished as the sky tv burden is small compared to the premier league and because of the logistical nightmare of putting so many games on when you include the premier league.

The sooner the ppg is done the better for us. We can plan ahead knowing we got what we deserved.

On different note, how I long for BCD to mean Black Country Derby again.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggies on May 21, 2020, 03:09:41 PM
Most of the press release just tells us what we already knew. What is of interest however, is the point the EFL make about how many clubs would need to vote in favour of ending the season without playing another game. The EFL are saying only 51% - so 13 clubs.

Now that the EFL have confirmed it will be PPG and unweighted, the clubs will know how it impacts them. Those clubs in the bottom half will likely vote to end the season and thus survive relegation. Those in play off places may edge their bets and decide us and Leeds are too far away and so it is better to end now and take their play off place.

There are also clubs like Sheff Wed who sit in mid table who were arguing for an end to the season.

It won't take much for clubs to effectivly gift us promotion.

Looks a very likely option right now.
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Post by: leeiswba on May 21, 2020, 03:18:49 PM
Its quite realistic that the top 6 and then 14th (Reading) - 21st (Hull) may vote to end the season which would be 14 teams.
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Post by: Baggies on May 21, 2020, 03:44:01 PM
Its quite realistic that the top 6 and then 14th (Reading) - 21st (Hull) may vote to end the season which would be 14 teams.

It might not be quite straight as forward, but it will be close.

As you say, the 8 clubs above the relegation zone will veey likely decide there is no benefit to them of playing on. Preston will also vote to end if they have any common sense as they are only 1 point inside the playoffs.

After those 9 though, the votes are less easy to judge.

Us and Leeds will likely vote to keep going, unless the prem give guarantees about promotion in the event of the season being curtailed. We will also not like the optics of us votingfor promotion without kicking a ball.

Fulham, only 6 points off us will also want to continue, and the 3 relegation zone clubs will now vote to continue as well.

Brentford, Forest and the mid table clubs are the kickers. Brentford and Forest are 10 points off us but only 5 points above 7th. It depends how brave they are.

QPR and Derby are almost certainly safe from relegation, but are a few wins off the play offs. They will almost certsinly vote to continue, but there is a small chance QPR may decide their chances are too slim and it would be too expensiveto continue.

By my maths, you have 9 who will vote for curtailment and 11 who will not.

Of the final 4, I think Brentford and Forest are 51% going to vote for curtailment, which leaves us and Leeds to make the decision on our OWN promotion. I think we will voteto continue but who knows.
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Post by: Standaman on May 21, 2020, 04:11:09 PM
Purely looking at this from a game theory optimal position the following is my take

Strong incentive for finishing the season.

Luton Charlton Barnsley Fulham* Bristol City Millwall Cardiff Blackburn QPR Swansea and Derby.

Strong incentive for not finishing the season

Stoke, Wigan, Huddersfield, Middlesbrough, Hull West Brom Leeds, Brentford, Forest and Preston


Neutral


Reading and Birmingham

My thinking is that a club with either a slim chance of making play-offs or in the relegation spots will take any chance to play out the season they have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

Preston have little chance of a better outcome than play-offs so they should vote against a restart.

Fulham are very unlikely to finish outside the play-offs and as such free rolling a slim shot at automatics so on balance should vote to restart.

Brentford & Forest should vote against a restart and so should Leeds and ourselves along with the teams in 17th to 21st place.

Birmingham and Reading should be neutral although they are looking at a bunch of expenditure and absolutely no upside but equally no downside.

Personally I think we should  do the honourable thing and vote for a restart unless a restart pushes a club or clubs into administration.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: frazzle on May 21, 2020, 05:45:29 PM
Not for me. We can’t delete the season. PPG or finish the season for me.
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Post by: gerry m on May 21, 2020, 05:48:36 PM
Not for me. We can’t delete the season. PPG or finish the season for me.

My thoughts exactly frazzle. Easy for people to say just void it. What about all the money fans have spent on season tickets, match tickets, travel, food and drink et al.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BoingFlyer on May 21, 2020, 05:51:24 PM
It is more important to finish this season than to start the next in my opnion. Even if that means we only have a short close season to sort out new fixtures, there are no garuntees next season will either start or finish yet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 21, 2020, 06:14:36 PM
The knock-on effect of VOIDING the season would have massive repurcussions from the top to (and especially) the very bottom of the football pyramid. It cannot be voided.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: hardtobeat on May 21, 2020, 06:26:26 PM
Purely looking at this from a game theory optimal position the following is my take

Strong incentive for finishing the season.

Luton Charlton Barnsley Fulham* Bristol City Millwall Cardiff Blackburn QPR Swansea and Derby.

Strong incentive for not finishing the season

Stoke, Wigan, Huddersfield, Middlesbrough, Hull West Brom Leeds, Brentford, Forest and Preston


Neutral


Reading and Birmingham

My thinking is that a club with either a slim chance of making play-offs or in the relegation spots will take any chance to play out the season they have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

Preston have little chance of a better outcome than play-offs so they should vote against a restart.

Fulham are very unlikely to finish outside the play-offs and as such free rolling a slim shot at automatics so on balance should vote to restart.

Brentford & Forest should vote against a restart and so should Leeds and ourselves along with the teams in 17th to 21st place.

Birmingham and Reading should be neutral although they are looking at a bunch of expenditure and absolutely no upside but equally no downside.

Personally I think we should  do the honourable thing and vote for a restart unless a restart pushes a club or clubs into administration.
Think  I have read somewhere today Derby are going to vote to end the season and use PPG for promotion and relegation in spite of their own position
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 21, 2020, 06:34:19 PM
Just as a matter of interest. Have we ever been promoted and swapped places with the vile being relegated?
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Post by: Standaman on May 21, 2020, 06:43:21 PM
Just as a matter of interest. Have we ever been promoted and swapped places with the vile being relegated?

Not in my lifetime I think I would have remembered THAT.

I have revised my initial thoughts. Obviously best outcome from a purely selfish perspective is curtailment. However the worst outcome would be us voting for curtailment and being forced to play. Therefore we have to vote for restart. Our whole approach has to be we want it settled on the pitch and we are ready to go.

 
Think  I have read somewhere today Derby are going to vote to end the season and use PPG for promotion and relegation in spite of their own position

In my initial post I might have been guilty of under estimating the financial pain a restart might cause some clubs. Derby have on the face of it a slim chance of making top 6 with a fit squad across a 9 game sprint it might be a better than slim.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 21, 2020, 06:43:29 PM
Just as a matter of interest. Have we ever been promoted and swapped places with the vile being relegated?

No. The only other season it was possible (us in league below during a Villa relegation season) was 86/87, sadly we finished 15th in Division 2.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2020, 06:56:43 PM
Think  I have read somewhere today Derby are going to vote to end the season and use PPG for promotion and relegation in spite of their own position

Derby and Sheffield Wednesday might need to vote to continue the season.

Wednesday in particular at running the risk of receiving a 21 point deduction. Both clubs may need to continue to Play ensure they get the required amounts of points to see them safe if they are lumbered with a points deduction.
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Post by: baggie96 on May 21, 2020, 08:19:37 PM
Play the season, voting to end it makes us no better than the bottom 6 of the Prem.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on May 21, 2020, 10:19:40 PM
If there are no more games, can we still force the permanent Perreira deal through?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 21, 2020, 10:26:44 PM
If there are no more games, can we still force the permanent Perreira deal through?

Yes, but you have it the wrong way round  it is only forced if he does play the games.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggies on May 22, 2020, 09:03:58 AM
Derby and Sheffield Wednesday might need to vote to continue the season.

Wednesday in particular at running the risk of receiving a 21 point deduction. Both clubs may need to continue to Play ensure they get the required amounts of points to see them safe if they are lumbered with a points deduction.

It’s been reported a couple of times that Wednesday are one of 6 clubs actively lobbying for the season to end now. I think it would be difficult for the League to give them a huge points deduction at this stage. More likely next season.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 22, 2020, 09:11:45 AM
If there are no more games, can we still force the permanent Perreira deal through?

I doubt we'll want to move on that until the finance situation becomes clearer, unless Sporting will accept an IOU
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 22, 2020, 10:23:53 AM
Play the season, voting to end it makes us no better than the bottom 6 of the Prem.
I agree if we are promoted without playing AND the Premier League is played out this great club will have a permanent stigma against it's name.
However, what we think as supporters is irrelevant. I think in any Championship vote on continuance, Lai will instruct a no vote, to protect his financial investment.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2020, 10:42:35 AM
I agree if we are promoted without playing AND the Premier League is played out this great club will have a permanent stigma against it's name.
However, what we think as supporters is irrelevant. I think in any Championship vote on continuance, Lai will instruct a no vote, to protect his financial investment.

I don't see it that way. I think up to now the club has been clear that they will do whatever it takes to resume the season. At no point has the club (at least publicly) lobbied for the outcome to be determined by any other means. Okay if they change their tune now that might be just a tad cynical.

However it is not up to the club it is up to the majority of clubs in the league. As pessimistic as I am about the future of the EFL I get the impression that a lot of clubs who you might have thought had a shot at promotion are less than keen on the season restarting. Is that our fault?


Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: leeiswba on May 22, 2020, 10:46:33 AM
I received the money back for Sheff Wed and Brentford tickets today and a few others have if anyone else was expecting it
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: kc56wba on May 22, 2020, 11:18:09 AM
I received the money back for Sheff Wed and Brentford tickets today and a few others have if anyone else was expecting it

Yes my refunds came though today as well.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 22, 2020, 11:29:52 AM
I received the money back for Sheff Wed and Brentford tickets today and a few others have if anyone else was expecting it
Mine too, and coach fares.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 22, 2020, 09:27:34 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/11685910/english-football-fans-stadiums-october/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballtwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1590178764


Looking to bring back crowds at 25% capacity by October. Better than nowt i suppose.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on May 23, 2020, 12:35:22 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/11685910/english-football-fans-stadiums-october/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballtwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1590178764


Looking to bring back crowds at 25% capacity by October. Better than nowt i suppose.

Struggling to see how the 'lucky' 25% get to experience a socially distanced and sterile atmosphere. Raffle? Home crowds of say 6,500 with presumably no away support and no social before or after games probably wouldn't do it for me I'm afraid. Think I'd prefer to stay at home with a few beers and follow the game via radio or tw@tter and keep the price of the match ticket in my bank account to be honest.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 23, 2020, 01:51:11 AM
Struggling to see how the 'lucky' 25% get to experience a socially distanced and sterile atmosphere. Raffle? Home crowds of say 6,500 with presumably no away support and no social before or after games probably wouldn't do it for me I'm afraid. Think I'd prefer to stay at home with a few beers and follow the game via radio or tw@tter and keep the price of the match ticket in my bank account to be honest.

I've not read it (The S*n) but even the idea of it seems like pie in the sky.

Strangely enough John mentioned social distance attendees a week or so back and I shot him down. Would be amazed if this is even being genuinely considered as opposed to filler for Scum column inches.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on May 23, 2020, 01:55:50 AM
I was thinking about reduced attendance and how it could be done and the best way to do it imo is to do it like the pollution measures in Paris where depending on your registration number being odd or even determined when you could drive your car in the city.

So we could say no away fans and surnames A-G go one week and so on and on. Everybody attending signs a liability waiver on entrance and must wear a mask. You'd have to have the waiver as you'd not get away with banning anyone like those over 70 with an underlying health condition.

Fans attending would sit with 2 seats between each other.

It's far from ideal, and but it would only be short hopefully and would be better than nothing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on May 23, 2020, 02:02:32 AM
I've not read it (The S*n)......

Neither have I to be honest, I just read the summation in Gaz's post. Couldn't be bothered with trying to flick through all the probable adds before coming to the conclusion it was speculative pick a number optimism/nonsense. Just as well we haven't built the second tier just yet, plenty of leg room in the Halfords for now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on May 23, 2020, 02:11:19 AM
........Fans attending would sit with 2 seats between each other.

It's far from ideal, and but it would only be short hopefully and would be better than nothing.

Might be worth a go as a one off but I doubt I'd be up for it as a regular, especially at full price on a game by game basis. Fans wouldn't need to sit down as it's highly unlikely they'd be blocking anyone's view. Not that anyone sits down near me and my lad anyway. Could potentially see myself turning away from live football pretty much completely until this is over, the social aspect is a huge part of my enjoyment nowadays.
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Post by: Standaman on May 23, 2020, 04:56:35 AM
I am sure the towering intellectuals at the s*n have observed the strange phenomena that happens at the end of a game of football. At the final whistle everyone wants to go home at the same time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on May 23, 2020, 08:36:50 AM
I was thinking about reduced attendance and how it could be done and the best way to do it imo is to do it like the pollution measures in Paris where depending on your registration number being odd or even determined when you could drive your car in the city.

So we could say no away fans and surnames A-G go one week and so on and on. Everybody attending signs a liability waiver on entrance and must wear a mask. You'd have to have the waiver as you'd not get away with banning anyone like those over 70 with an underlying health condition.

Fans attending would sit with 2 seats between each other.

It's far from ideal, and but it would only be short hopefully and would be better than nothing.

Wearing masks at football matches would certainly get rid of any atmosphere which could be created by the fans.  May as well just stick to games behind closed doors with cardboard cut outs on the terraces. it would create the same effect as fans wit masks on. 

Liability wavers are a waste of time. If its to stop fans taking the club to court  if they caught covid 19, the club wouldn't need a waiver because if you caught it you have got to prove you caught it at the Hawthorns.  That will be very expensive and probably impossible to prove !!

The alternating of fans at matches is feasible although not ideal. But as I saw an interview with a top scientist at a large company that is working on vaccines, they said a vaccine could be 3 years away because they have to do extensive trials and testing .  So if they insist on social distancing until a vaccine is developed this could be the only way forward.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: johnny Cash on May 23, 2020, 08:54:32 AM
Liability wavers are a waste of time. If its to stop fans taking the club to court  if they caught covid 19, the club wouldn't need a waiver because if you caught it you have got to prove you caught it at the Hawthorns.  That will be very expensive and probably impossible to prove !!

Liability waivers are a waste of time, because you cannot waive liability for injury in this country. Someone will almost certainly try and sue someone for catching it at some point, but it’ll probably be an employers liability case. It'll be A tough one to win, but they won’t have to ‘prove’ it, it’ll be on balance of probability.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on May 23, 2020, 08:59:12 AM
Liability waivers are a waste of time, because you cannot waive liability for injury in this country. Someone will almost certainly try and sue someone for catching it at some point, but it’ll probably be an employers liability case. It'll be A tough one to win, but they won’t have to ‘prove’ it, it’ll be on balance of probability.

To win such a case they will have to prove it. As with any employers liability case the person taking them to court have to prove the company were liable. It  will also be very expensive for a normal person to bring a large organisation like WBA to court. Then there is also the prospect of losing and having to pay all the costs.  It could ruin someone financially overnight. Not worth the risk unless you have a cast iron case.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 23, 2020, 09:03:18 AM
I was thinking about reduced attendance and how it could be done and the best way to do it imo is to do it like the pollution measures in Paris where depending on your registration number being odd or even determined when you could drive your car in the city.

So we could say no away fans and surnames A-G go one week and so on and on. Everybody attending signs a liability waiver on entrance and must wear a mask. You'd have to have the waiver as you'd not get away with banning anyone like those over 70 with an underlying health condition.

Fans attending would sit with 2 seats between each other.

It's far from ideal, and but it would only be short hopefully and would be better than nothing.
You made that sound like you would accept such discrimination. I belong to the over 70's group (with no underlying health conditions) who with BAME's  and people with underlying health conditions, have been marginalised by the media. This has contributed to many irresponsible people believing that if they are not encompassed within those groups, then they can behave outside of the Coronavirus guidelines as they are not at very great risk.
We are fortunate to support a club that would not engage in discriminating between groups of supporters. Incidentally we have 1800, Over 70's STH's and quite a number of ASTH's as well . I have been as season ticket holder since 1969, but if the conditions which you describe prevail, I will stay at home without anyone banning me.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 23, 2020, 09:05:06 AM
Struggling to see how the 'lucky' 25% get to experience a socially distanced and sterile atmosphere. Raffle? Home crowds of say 6,500 with presumably no away support and no social before or after games probably wouldn't do it for me I'm afraid. Think I'd prefer to stay at home with a few beers and follow the game via radio or tw@tter and keep the price of the match ticket in my bank account to be honest.

I think some people would actually go for it though Dan. Far from ideal but at least the option would be there.

Whether it was any good or not well yeah, I agree a while different matter altogether.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 23, 2020, 09:08:16 AM
I believe what JC means is :

Criminal cases require a beyond all reasonable doubt test

Civil cases require a balance of probability test

The prosecution would probably be on a neglect basis, & even then would only be possible following a successful prosecution  by H&SE.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 23, 2020, 09:31:49 AM
You made that sound like you would accept such discrimination. I belong to the over 70's group (with no underlying health conditions) who with BAME's  and people with underlying health conditions, have been marginalised by the media. This has contributed to many irresponsible people believing that if they are not encompassed within those groups, then they can behave outside of the Coronavirus guidelines as they are not at very great risk.
We are fortunate to support a club that would not engage in discriminating between groups of supporters. Incidentally we have 1800, Over 70's STH's and quite a number of ASTH's as well . I have been as season ticket holder since 1969, but if the conditions which you describe prevail, I will stay at home without anyone banning me.

It's doable if you want it to be, there would have to be management systems in place to deal with the period before & after the game, at least up to the boundary of the stadium.

The management system for golf, is play is limited to two people playing together, only members can play, tee times have to be booked online & only 4 days in advance. Tee times are allocated on a first come first served basis, so some members are disappointed, but I don't know of any dissenters at our club.

It would be possible to do something similar for football using the STH base.
You could pay for a full season ST & then get a refund for matches you couldn't attend, or just pay on a match by match basis.

Think having away fans might be a risk too far, so it might also be possible to use the away section.

I believe most people have recognised that the virus is not going away anytime soon & for businesses to survive they have to come up with managed solutions
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Post by: Standaman on May 23, 2020, 09:34:58 AM
Forget mortality risk it is irrelevant so whether someone is in an at risk group is neither here nor there. Forget liability too difficult to prove even if the club took virtually no mitigating measures.

However the stumbling block is and always will be risk of infection posed by crowds (even reduced ones). The secondary consideration is that big random crowds quickly overwhelm any effort to track trace and isolate infected people.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 23, 2020, 09:41:52 AM
Struggling to see how the 'lucky' 25% get to experience a socially distanced and sterile atmosphere. Raffle? Home crowds of say 6,500 with presumably no away support and no social before or after games probably wouldn't do it for me I'm afraid. Think I'd prefer to stay at home with a few beers and follow the game via radio or tw@tter and keep the price of the match ticket in my bank account to be honest.

I’d rather socially distance in the pub to be honest than suffer that rubbish !
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 23, 2020, 09:44:10 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/11685910/english-football-fans-stadiums-october/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballtwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1590178764


Looking to bring back crowds at 25% capacity by October. Better than nowt i suppose.
😂😂😂😂
Just brilliant
What happens when the reduced number of 6000 people all need a jimmy riddle?
With 2 meter gap and those slow servers, the food counter will be interesting.
Just remember even with no away fans....Leeds will fill it 😀
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on May 23, 2020, 10:06:51 AM
😂😂😂😂
Just brilliant
What happens when the reduced number of 6000 people all need a jimmy riddle?
With 2 meter gap and those slow servers, the food counter will be interesting.
Just remember even with no away fans....Leeds will fill it 😀

Best take your own food, drink and have a catheter inserted   :D :D :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Brummie Road on May 23, 2020, 10:14:48 AM
I think allowing supporters back to stadiums, with controlled restrictions is certainly achievable.

I was chatting to one of our customers at work who is a Director at a non league club in the Midlands (below National League level) who generally get around 300 attending in a stadium that could hold around 1500 in normal conditions.

With most of the supporters regulars who have the interests of the club very much at heart, with good communications and common sense then it would clearly be feasible to allow supporters to attend (this is on the presumption that there is no spike in figures and that by the time the new season starts the country is further down the road to a return to normality).

Looking at some of our more local clubs, again with a little thought, planning and self discipline by the supporters, it’s hard to see why Kidderminster, Stourbridge and Halesowen should not allow supporters back.

Clearly it’s a lot more problematic with clubs who generally run with attendances in excess of 60%+ capacity in all seater stadiums but again not impossible.

Away support is likely to be on hold for a season at least so in our case that allows the whole of the Smethwick End to be opened up.

In addition a proportion of supporters attend with other members of their household so no issues with social distancing from that perspective.

So with some positive thinking, planning, clear communication and supporters buying into the concept and being prepared to stick to the guidelines set out for attending, it’s very much achievable in my view.

Of course it will take organisation, and being prepared to sit in seats allocated (not necessarily your usual seat or with your friends) and initially on a rota basis but hard to see why we can’t play with a few thousand in attendance for each home game.

In terms of food and drink, then all outlets should be closed and in terms of toilets, stewarding in place and in one entrance and out the other (so to speak).

Clearly not ideal but surely not impossible with around 7000 spread over 4 stands, and obviously having your usual 6 pints pre match may need to be put on hold!! 

I take the point that it will take a lot of hard work by the admin and ticket office staff but it’s not like we’re asking them to do the impossible and, not being disrespectful but they can’t really be rushed off their feet at present and it’s not rocket science, it’s simply allowing a proportion of our support who want to attend to do just that, and for those who prefer to wait until normality returns then that’s fine as well and a personal choice for those who feel that they may be vulnerable. 

Fingers crossed, presuming the new season starts a few months later than normal, restrictions may be considerably eased by then but acknowledge it’s a situation that can change for better or worse quite quickly.

I just feel that if we want the game to survive at all levels we need to take a “can do” proactive viewpoint. We've all seen the Bundesliga on TV, do we want that situation for possibly several months or a whole season?

All of the logistical issues from ticketing to other practicalities could be addressed with a positive forward thinking plan in my opinion. 

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: johnny Cash on May 23, 2020, 10:28:00 AM
You made that sound like you would accept such discrimination. I belong to the over 70's group (with no underlying health conditions) who with BAME's  and people with underlying health conditions, have been marginalised by the media. This has contributed to many irresponsible people believing that if they are not encompassed within those groups, then they can behave outside of the Coronavirus guidelines as they are not at very great risk.
We are fortunate to support a club that would not engage in discriminating between groups of supporters. Incidentally we have 1800, Over 70's STH's and quite a number of ASTH's as well . I have been as season ticket holder since 1969, but if the conditions which you describe prevail, I will stay at home without anyone banning me.

I’m not sure restrictions placed on those over 70 with health conditions is discrimination. I hope fear of that allegation doesn’t stop the government considering those actions when they could be perfectly reasonable and help in the long term.

Clearly any measures will need to be carefully considered. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on May 23, 2020, 10:55:50 AM
You made that sound like you would accept such discrimination. I belong to the over 70's group (with no underlying health conditions) who with BAME's  and people with underlying health conditions, have been marginalised by the media. This has contributed to many irresponsible people believing that if they are not encompassed within those groups, then they can behave outside of the Coronavirus guidelines as they are not at very great risk.
We are fortunate to support a club that would not engage in discriminating between groups of supporters. Incidentally we have 1800, Over 70's STH's and quite a number of ASTH's as well . I have been as season ticket holder since 1969, but if the conditions which you describe prevail, I will stay at home without anyone banning me.

I didn't mean that at all, but if the government are telling the over 70's with health conditions to stay home any insurer selling us our occupiers liability would require some sort of waiver I presume before we'd get cover.

Personally, I don't believe in a nanny state so if you are over 70 and have underlying health conditions you are old enough to make your own decisions and I am certainly not going to dictate to you or anyone else what you can and cannot do as it's your life and your choice.

The point is what the Government is advising regarding over 70's is advice only and it s discrimination and the club could not do it even if they wanted because of potential civil actions and the general uproar.

Rotating attendance is far from ideal but after bojo said they haven't found a vaccine for that other coronavirus SARS after looking for one for 18 years who knows what is going to happen and we can only hope and pray that now more scientists are looking with greater urgency and more funding we will find one quickly.

And with concerns about going to toilet or getting a pie at games with rotating attendance I thought it would be obvious measures would he have to be in place for that too.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 23, 2020, 11:10:26 AM
Best take your own food, drink and have a catheter inserted   :D :D :o
Faster,cheaper,cleaner

This could catch on
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Post by: BigFrank20 on May 23, 2020, 11:19:33 AM
I am sure the towering intellectuals at the s*n have observed the strange phenomena that happens at the end of a game of football. At the final whistle everyone wants to go home at the same time.
Except for those who want to leave early and/or catch a train  ;)
Imagine the furore from the unlucky rest if any of the 'lucky few' were to leave early?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 23, 2020, 11:29:25 AM
The Government asked all over 70's to stay at home for 12 weeks, irrespective of health conditions, and has not softened it's  position since.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on May 23, 2020, 11:31:13 AM
I think allowing supporters back to stadiums, with controlled restrictions is certainly achievable.

I was chatting to one of our customers at work who is a Director at a non league club in the Midlands (below National League level) who generally get around 300 attending in a stadium that could hold around 1500 in normal conditions.

With most of the supporters regulars who have the interests of the club very much at heart, with good communications and common sense then it would clearly be feasible to allow supporters to attend (this is on the presumption that there is no spike in figures and that by the time the new season starts the country is further down the road to a return to normality).

Looking at some of our more local clubs, again with a little thought, planning and self discipline by the supporters, it’s hard to see why Kidderminster, Stourbridge and Halesowen should not allow supporters back.

Clearly it’s a lot more problematic with clubs who generally run with attendances in excess of 60%+ capacity in all seater stadiums but again not impossible.

Away support is likely to be on hold for a season at least so in our case that allows the whole of the Smethwick End to be opened up.

In addition a proportion of supporters attend with other members of their household so no issues with social distancing from that perspective.

So with some positive thinking, planning, clear communication and supporters buying into the concept and being prepared to stick to the guidelines set out for attending, it’s very much achievable in my view.

Of course it will take organisation, and being prepared to sit in seats allocated (not necessarily your usual seat or with your friends) and initially on a rota basis but hard to see why we can’t play with a few thousand in attendance for each home game.

In terms of food and drink, then all outlets should be closed and in terms of toilets, stewarding in place and in one entrance and out the other (so to speak).

Clearly not ideal but surely not impossible with around 7000 spread over 4 stands, and obviously having your usual 6 pints pre match may need to be put on hold!! 

I take the point that it will take a lot of hard work by the admin and ticket office staff but it’s not like we’re asking them to do the impossible and, not being disrespectful but they can’t really be rushed off their feet at present and it’s not rocket science, it’s simply allowing a proportion of our support who want to attend to do just that, and for those who prefer to wait until normality returns then that’s fine as well and a personal choice for those who feel that they may be vulnerable. 

Fingers crossed, presuming the new season starts a few months later than normal, restrictions may be considerably eased by then but acknowledge it’s a situation that can change for better or worse quite quickly.

I just feel that if we want the game to survive at all levels we need to take a “can do” proactive viewpoint. We've all seen the Bundesliga on TV, do we want that situation for possibly several months or a whole season?

All of the logistical issues from ticketing to other practicalities could be addressed with a positive forward thinking plan in my opinion.

It wouldn't have to be hard work in my opinion from the ticket office or elsewhere after the guidelines have been put in place as to social distancing outside and inside the ground.

That may not even have to be 2 metres if Weatherspoons have their way and world health organisation guidelines are followed.

The club would announce in the local press and on our website which surnames (eg A to C) can go and those who wanted to go, go show their ID, sign their waiver and pay with contactless card on the way in, and social distance when buying a pie ( like you do in tesco) or waiting for the toilet and you'd be let out in the same way at the with each row leaving in turn.

Again this isn't ideal, but imo we need to try and get back to as much as a normal life as we can before our way of life and economy collopses, as staying at home is going to destroy this country long term.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on May 23, 2020, 11:34:58 AM
The Government asked all over 70's to stay at home for 12 weeks, irrespective of health conditions, and has not softened it's  position since.

It advised over 70's it didn't place any strict obligations, you can do as you wish.

They advise you choose.

This is not China.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on May 23, 2020, 11:55:58 AM
I fully expect the old Prem 1/Prem 2 idea to resurface big time now, 2 leagues of 18 or so, underneath it semi-pro leagues possibly on a regional basis to get rid of mad round trips like Carlisle - Plymouth.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Webby on May 23, 2020, 12:23:42 PM
A local FA AGM was held the other night, I manage a team in there. Amateur, just below semi pro level and have been told don't expect our season to begin until December time and there will be "special" rules in place for Saturday matchdays.

Also no group training allowed only one on one coaching with 2 metre gap. Basically notraining as lower clubs don't have 20 coaches.

I know it's a different level but just some info for any of you who play Saturdays.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 23, 2020, 12:30:59 PM
Forget mortality risk it is irrelevant so whether someone is in an at risk group is neither here nor there. Forget liability too difficult to prove even if the club took virtually no mitigating measures.

However the stumbling block is and always will be risk of infection posed by crowds (even reduced ones). The secondary consideration is that big random crowds quickly overwhelm any effort to track trace and isolate infected people.

I think dispersal might be an issue, & I still think it's doable, but the cost to police & manage it safely might make it prohibitive.

The problem is Stan, as we've said previously, if you can't get revenue from the fan base, where can you get it from?

I was listening to Chris Whitty the other night answering a question from Robby Savage, Prof Whitty suggested that the game itself might have to be modified to minimise the risk of cross infection.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tuamigos on May 23, 2020, 12:37:00 PM
The social side of the game is as much as the sporting event itself for most people.
Think I'd sooner watch it at home with a beer myself than go through the rigmarole that will be needed to get in and out of the ground.
On the plus side you wouldn't have to go through the process of being rubbed down by those so called security staff outside the ground
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on May 23, 2020, 12:58:45 PM
.......On the plus side you wouldn't have to go through the process of being rubbed down by those so called security staff outside the ground

I've never had the full rub treatment, just the sparing pat downs.

Do  you pay extra for your season ticket  ;D ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tuamigos on May 23, 2020, 01:54:50 PM
I've never had the full rub treatment, just the sparing pat downs.

Do  you pay extra for your season ticket  ;D ?

Some of em get too close for my liking chap.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: kc56wba on May 23, 2020, 02:40:19 PM
Some of em get too close for my liking chap.

One steward did to my left leg he nearly sh!t himself, I had told him not to touch my left leg but he wouldn't listen.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 23, 2020, 02:55:57 PM
and you'd be let out in the same way at the with each row leaving in turn.
I love your optimism mate, footie fans patiently waiting in queue's really isn't in the lexicon of most of 'em  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on May 23, 2020, 03:26:23 PM
Just a thought.
If this season is actually played at least it will stop one major thing.
That is, it will not allow some of these players who get right into the referees face.
You know the types who run straight at them intimidating the ref.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on May 23, 2020, 03:47:47 PM
John Percy Twitter Account

"Hull City have sent a second letter to the EFL & the 23 Championship clubs reiterating their opposition to the season restarting. Rival clubs understood to be growing increasingly frustrated with their stance"
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 23, 2020, 03:51:57 PM
Pathetic from Hull. They know they are going down. Cowards.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 23, 2020, 05:57:33 PM
To be honest it is a matter of indifference how other clubs vote. We are in an almost no lose situation. If the others choose to curtail the season that wraps up promotion if they chose to play on we are no worse off than we would have been. As long as we vote against curtailment our conscious is clear.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 24, 2020, 09:58:08 AM
"Alan Nixon
@reluctantnicko
EFL have told Championship clubs to get started back to training and the majority want to finish. League one are split on a finish. League Two ending and play offs to be arranged. All now official from EFL to clubs. Vote on methods of ending June 1. More online later."
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 24, 2020, 12:13:07 PM
According to Rob Harris

2 people from 1 Championship club have tested positive for coronavirus after testing of 1014 players and staff from the 24 clubs
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tuamigos on May 24, 2020, 12:17:47 PM
John Percy Twitter Account

"Hull City have sent a second letter to the EFL & the 23 Championship clubs reiterating their opposition to the season restarting. Rival clubs understood to be growing increasingly frustrated with their stance"

I wonder what would prompt a team 2 points off the relegation zone to draft a letter like that?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: wbastrollers on May 24, 2020, 12:41:56 PM
I wonder what would prompt a team 2 points off the relegation zone to draft a letter like that?


Probably because they were in free fall when the season was postponed (I think they had lost 8 of their last 10) and they fear they would be relegated if the season was restarted.
Self preservation!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 24, 2020, 12:50:53 PM
According to Rob Harris

2 people from 1 Championship club have tested positive for coronavirus after testing of 1014 players and staff from the 24 clubs

If you add to this the reports of a Bournemoth player also testing positive the question has to be, and given the approximate two week incubation period, how did they catch it in the middle of a lockdown?
Also testing without tracing is a complete waste of time, you could simply catch it hours after being tested as negative. I wonder if anyone is tracing who these positives have been in contact with recently given the most logical group they would have contact with is within their own clubs
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Barrington on May 24, 2020, 01:03:54 PM
If you add to this the reports of a Bournemoth player also testing positive the question has to be, and given the approximate two week incubation period, how did they catch it in the middle of a lockdown?

What lockdown? We've not had one. Probably caught it at the supermarket by walking into someone's cough or picking up something that someone had just put back down. Or something picked up off the postman's mail whilst still at home. Or one of their mates who they had round for the BBQ handled the same cup. Or they caught it off the tradesman who came to fix something at their house. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2020, 01:52:35 PM
What lockdown? We've not had one. Probably caught it at the supermarket by walking into someone's cough or picking up something that someone had just put back down. Or something picked up off the postman's mail whilst still at home. Or one of their mates who they had round for the BBQ handled the same cup. Or they caught it off the tradesman who came to fix something at their house.

Spot on. We haven't ever actually seen a true Lockdown throughout this crisis.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 24, 2020, 02:03:43 PM
Hull have confirmed they are the club who have the 2 members of staff with Coronavirus

"Hull City can confirm that two people have tested positive for COVID-19 following the first round of testing at the training ground."


Heart bleeds for the club although i hope the 2 individuals make a swift recovery of course.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2020, 02:19:37 PM
Hull have confirmed they are the club who have the 2 members of staff with Coronavirus

"Hull City can confirm that two people have tested positive for COVID-19 following the first round of testing at the training ground."


Heart bleeds for the club although i hope the 2 individuals make a swift recovery of course.

At least it's not their two best players...
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on May 24, 2020, 02:20:55 PM
 :D

No, they are safely tucked away elsewhere
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 24, 2020, 09:23:31 PM
Interesting that Hull City identified them as "people" not "players".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52789239
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on May 24, 2020, 11:55:24 PM
Some of em get too close for my liking chap.

All joking aside I've come very close to planting the occasional reflexive headbutt myself.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 25, 2020, 10:04:39 AM
Just up on the club website

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/may/jenkins---we-want-to-finish-season-on-the-pitch/

As clear and as unambiguous statement of intent as you could hope for.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Political Cake on May 25, 2020, 10:18:02 AM
Just up on the club website

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/may/jenkins---we-want-to-finish-season-on-the-pitch/

As clear and as unambiguous statement of intent as you could hope for.


Perfect, I expected nothing less.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 25, 2020, 10:46:07 AM
Just up on the club website

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/may/jenkins---we-want-to-finish-season-on-the-pitch/

As clear and as unambiguous statement of intent as you could hope for.

Great news, I was afraid Lai would intervene , thankfully he has not. I do think that winning promotion on the field is the only way we will be promoted.
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Post by: Standaman on May 25, 2020, 11:22:10 AM
Great news, I was afraid Lai would intervene , thankfully he has not. I do think that winning promotion on the field is the only way we will be promoted.

It seems to me that Lai tends to back the local board's judgement and will sack the board if he does not like the outcome. I think he generally trusts Jenkins to run the club. The one exception was the strange none appointment of a Director of Football the summer before last but since that moment Jenkins has been in charge of the club on a day to day basis and the relationship seems to work.
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Post by: chippyclarke on May 25, 2020, 11:41:35 AM
I wonder what would prompt a team 2 points off the relegation zone to draft a letter like that?
It is rather strange how the only clubs with coronavirus in the Prem & Championship  are Bournemouth, Watford and Hull all in relegation zone! Are they fiddling the test results?
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 25, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
It seems to me that Lai tends to back the local board's judgement and will sack the board if he does not like the outcome. I think he generally trusts Jenkins to run the club. The one exception was the strange none appointment of a Director of Football the summer before last but since that moment Jenkins has been in charge of the club on a day to day basis and the relationship seems to work.

From what you know of Chinese politics (tend to get my information from Simon Chadwick), how do you think Lai is seen in China right now?
I wouldn't think he's in good books at the moment with £200 million of Chinese capital at serious risk.
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Post by: Standaman on May 25, 2020, 02:18:50 PM
From what you know of Chinese politics (tend to get my information from Simon Chadwick), how do you think Lai is seen in China right now?
I wouldn't think he's in good books at the moment with £200 million of Chinese capital at serious risk.

As ever with the Chinese government is difficult to read even for people whose life work it is to study it.

I suspect that in the post-coronavirus world the Chinese will take the opportunity to scale back their commitment to the game. There has been a lot of money spent on the Chinese super league without a notable moving of dial for the national team so this might be seen as an opportunity to further reign in some of the excesses.

I doubt if the authorities are overly concerned about Lai's investment. After all it's his money not theirs and occasionally the Chinese authorities don't mind their merchant class learning about moral hazard. Overseas football clubs are ideal in this regard big losses without any serious impact on the Chinese economy an expensive lesson for a now slightly cowed merchant but no Chinese workers out of work.

It has been difficult for sometime for Chinese businessmen to get the necessary permissions for additional investment in football clubs, this won't change and is quiet likely to be made more difficult.

In short whatever the outcome of the crisis,  the club will stand or fall by it's own efforts rather than being bailed out by the owner.     
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 25, 2020, 03:36:28 PM
As ever with the Chinese government is difficult to read even for people whose life work it is to study it.

I suspect that in the post-coronavirus world the Chinese will take the opportunity to scale back their commitment to the game. There has been a lot of money spent on the Chinese super league without a notable moving of dial for the national team so this might be seen as an opportunity to further reign in some of the excesses.

I doubt if the authorities are overly concerned about Lai's investment. After all it's his money not theirs and occasionally the Chinese authorities don't mind their merchant class learning about moral hazard. Overseas football clubs are ideal in this regard big losses without any serious impact on the Chinese economy an expensive lesson for a now slightly cowed merchant but no Chinese workers out of work.

It has been difficult for sometime for Chinese businessmen to get the necessary permissions for additional investment in football clubs, this won't change and is quiet likely to be made more difficult.

In short whatever the outcome of the crisis,  the club will stand or fall by it's own efforts rather than being bailed out by the owner.   

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Thanks for that observation Stan, I had visions of the ownership of the club being transferred to the Chinese state, in an effort to recoup their losses.
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Post by: BalisPen on May 25, 2020, 04:36:37 PM
From what I have been told today our players have been back in training today and no positive tests.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 25, 2020, 06:18:43 PM
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Thanks for that observation Stan, I had visions of the ownership of the club being transferred to the Chinese state, in an effort to recoup their losses.
If you thought 2020 wasn’t bad enough yet....Mike Ashley has said he wants to buy another prem club when he sells the toon.....he couldn’t could he?
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 25, 2020, 06:41:50 PM
If you thought 2020 wasn’t bad enough yet....Mike Ashley has said he wants to buy another prem club when he sells the toon.....he couldn’t could he?

No, he said Prem Club, can't see Ashley paying £200 million for us & I can't see Lai accepting less.
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 25, 2020, 09:45:13 PM
No, he said Prem Club, can't see Ashley paying £200 million for us & I can't see Lai accepting less.
That’s the problem when buying something that’s overpriced. You either want it, or you cut your losses.
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Post by: Standaman on May 25, 2020, 10:57:56 PM
I am not surprised Ashley is interested in buying another club he specializes in buying distressed assets and football clubs are distressed and a  lot of owners want out. I am only surprised that after Newcastle that he wants the grief although he has a hide like a rhino.

Would Lai sell up? Obviously the club is not worth what he paid for it but an offer that was cold hard cash and still left him with a pot to **** in he could be tempted I know I would be.


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Post by: Albionic on May 25, 2020, 11:08:42 PM
does Lai have any real affinity with the business ?
Is football as an industry in a potential downward spiral ?
Are there likely to be many other exit strategies for Lai ?
Is there a remotely possible potential upside for Ashley ?

At a wealth of USD2.7B, can Ashley afford the punt on ?USD100m WBA,  oh yes !!
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 25, 2020, 11:47:33 PM
No, he said Prem Club, can't see Ashley paying £200 million for us & I can't see Lai accepting less.
I said prem club ?????
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 26, 2020, 12:00:11 AM
does Lai have any real affinity with the business ?
Is football as an industry in a potential downward spiral ?
Are there likely to be many other exit strategies for Lai ?
Is there a remotely possible potential upside for Ashley ?

At a wealth of USD2.7B, can Ashley afford the punt on ?USD100m WBA,  oh yes !!

Looking at it from a Western point of view, you have a point, but those with a knowledge of the Chinese, emphasise just how strong this saving face is within their culture.
Ashley is  not known for his diplomacy, & I think it would take a different character to produce a win-win deal where everyone saved face.
I wouldn't be in the least surprised to see our old chairman return with a part shareholding.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 26, 2020, 12:00:48 AM
I said prem club ?????

Presumably it's because we're still in the Championship.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 26, 2020, 12:02:33 AM
Looking at it from a Western point of view, you have a point, but those with a knowledge of the Chinese, emphasise just how strong this saving face is within their culture.
Ashley is  not known for his diplomacy, & I think it would take a different character to produce a win-win deal where everyone saved face.
I wouldn't be in the least surprised to see our old chairman return with a part shareholding.

Jesus wept. Peace and Ashley. To even moot this you must be off the meds. For my part pass the Prozac.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 26, 2020, 12:05:40 AM
Jesus wept. Peace and Ashley. To even moot this you must be off the meds. For my part pass the Prozac.

Peace & Lai,

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Post by: Albionic on May 26, 2020, 12:11:30 AM
Looking at it from a Western point of view, you have a point, but those with a knowledge of the Chinese, emphasise just how strong this saving face is within their culture.
Ashley is  not known for his diplomacy, & I think it would take a different character to produce a win-win deal where everyone saved face.
I wouldn't be in the least surprised to see our old chairman return with a part shareholding.

I think you under estimate Ashley, he will have "people" who would "facilitate" the deal.
I (until recently) travel to China 4/5 times a year and I can assure you that money trumps face in business in china.
If face is lost and the deal is beneficial they will find a way to move those who have lost face out of the picture and conclude the deal.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 26, 2020, 08:20:09 AM
I think you under estimate Ashley, he will have "people" who would "facilitate" the deal.
I (until recently) travel to China 4/5 times a year and I can assure you that money trumps face in business in china.
If face is lost and the deal is beneficial they will find a way to move those who have lost face out of the picture and conclude the deal.

I have had some dealings with the Chinese myself, but that was about 10 years ago, your more recent experience would suggest that the saving face culture is more relaxed now.

Standaman has posted a comment on the Lai thread that suggests Southampton might be a lower risk option for Ashley.
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Post by: mulliganstired on May 26, 2020, 09:05:02 AM
I'd say a restart looks marginally more likely now with the virus seeming to tail off now.

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Post by: Albionic on May 26, 2020, 09:54:49 AM
I have had some dealings with the Chinese myself, but that was about 10 years ago, your more recent experience would suggest that the saving face culture is more relaxed now.

Standaman has posted a comment on the Lai thread that suggests Southampton might be a lower risk option for Ashley.

Different attitudes could just be down to region / industry. I was probably too generalised in my response, as in all walks of life most important are personal relationships and in my experience that is as true in china as anywhere else
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Post by: liverbaggie on May 26, 2020, 10:31:05 AM
I doubt whether Ashley knows where West Bromwich actually is.
But surely, he us a betting man after all, that now would be a great time to hedge your bets with the Albion, buy cheap because were in the championship but virtually guaranteed to be promoted up to the premier league.
Win win.
But I can't say that I like the guy for what's happened at NUFC but those Geordie's are very strange one eyed fans .
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 26, 2020, 10:39:15 AM
The main virus thread elsewhere is now open again, please do not bring any of that stuff into here and lets keep this football, especially club related or this will also suffer the same fate and maybe locked for good if people continue to act like kids.

Anyone who does post in that topic would be advised to read the following -

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=24425.msg710789#msg710789
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Post by: Webby on May 26, 2020, 10:47:56 AM
If/when this restarts is anyone worried about form/injuries? This is likely the longest break players have had since well... ever (unless injured) and assuming they would have had 1 on 1 physio and training and not been in the back garden.

Guess it would be the form thing, could come back not get into a flow have 3-4 bad games and then you're down into playoffs on a rubbish run of form!
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 26, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
If/when this restarts is anyone worried about form/injuries? This is likely the longest break players have had since well... ever (unless injured) and assuming they would have had 1 on 1 physio and training and not been in the back garden.

Guess it would be the form thing, could come back not get into a flow have 3-4 bad games and then you're down into playoffs on a rubbish run of form!

You've made a really good point, especially about form.

In effect, it's the start of a new season, & there's no guarantee that we'll pick up where we left off.

The noises from the club suggests that SB has kept the players focused, so you'd hope that they'll be able to switch straight on, but in the weird atmosphere of a bcd game, who knows?
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Post by: johnny Cash on May 26, 2020, 12:05:50 PM
You've made a really good point, especially about form.

In effect, it's the start of a new season, & there's no guarantee that we'll pick up where we left off.

The noises from the club suggests that SB has kept the players focused, so you'd hope that they'll be able to switch straight on, but in the weird atmosphere of a bcd game, who knows?

I don't think it is like the start of a new season but i agree there is no guarantee we pick up as we left off. At the start of a new season, I expect managers are trying to fill the players with excitement and drive, whilst feeding from the energy of fans about the season ahead.  That cannot be the same in this situation.

If / when this season returns, I think teams as far down as QPR will feel they have a chance of promotion of they are one of the teams that start strong. However teams like Reading, Wednesday and Blues might not truly come back off their 'holidays'. On the other hand, they could play with a freedom and lack of pressure that makes them dangerous. I'd probably lean towards apathy from them though and I think as the season develops the apathy among clubs will grow as more and more teams run out of things to play for.

I know that happens every season, but I think we will see that fans play a significant part of keeping teams honest and that in an empty stadium with the current circumstance, clubs will really struggle when a game is meaningless.

The dynamics will be interesting and i think you will see some very one sided games. Results in Europe seem to suggest home advantage in an empty stadium disappears.

Our squad has as much motivation and drive as any to keep on it and be ready to return though, so I'd hope we would come back strong. If we do come back with the right attitude I could see us winning most our fixtures, meaning if avoid defeat at Brentford we will probably be over the line before Fulham.

 




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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 26, 2020, 12:18:41 PM
With the time out, we should have Diangana on the bench at least.A positive side to the virus outbreak.
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Post by: paulosull on May 26, 2020, 12:46:28 PM
Are we going to complete season in order of fixtures left or would it be more sensible to play teams in same location first ie teams in Midlands and then go further a field. This way squads and playing staff could be quarantined in 1 hotel for those games, then move on to  London and play teams in that area.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 26, 2020, 12:53:40 PM
Are we going to complete season in order of fixtures left or would it be more sensible to play teams in same location first ie teams in Midlands and then go further a field. This way squads and playing staff could be quarantined in 1 hotel for those games, then move on to  London and play teams in that area.

There's been some ferocious arguments about fairness from club chairmen, & while I can see the validity of your point, any change in schedule would open the floodgates for what if & if only statements..
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 26, 2020, 02:27:09 PM
Serious question ...

Has this pandemic made people think
A) when football returns I am going to go more
B) when football returns....I’m not so sure I will go as much
C) haven’t changed mindset
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Post by: kc56wba on May 26, 2020, 02:31:29 PM
Serious question ...

Has this pandemic made people think
A) when football returns I am going to go more
B) when football returns....I’m not so sure I will go as much
C) haven’t changed mindset

It would have to be ( C ) for me.
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Post by: gazberg on May 26, 2020, 02:31:50 PM
With the time out, we should have Diangana on the bench at least.A positive side to the virus outbreak.

Bilic said everyone is back including Hegazi.
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Post by: gazberg on May 26, 2020, 02:32:27 PM
Serious question ...

Has this pandemic made people think
A) when football returns I am going to go more
B) when football returns....I’m not so sure I will go as much
C) haven’t changed mindset

C for me. In fact it's made me realise how much i miss it and in turn i love it even more.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 26, 2020, 02:40:26 PM
C for me. In fact it's made me realise how much i miss it and in turn i love it even more.
This season I really got my mojo back....only missed a handful home and away, also been to caraboa final (in the city end) been to Fulham-Luton , Fulham-Swansea and Blackburn-Wigan
Whilst I understand that many have thought and said that there is so much more to life than football....I’d suggest that for many it really really matters .
I can’t bloody wait to get back and will definitely renew season ticket and go to every other match I can .
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Post by: gazberg on May 26, 2020, 02:41:32 PM
Sounds brilliant to me Zippy! I'm definitely renewing as long as i don't move abroad.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 26, 2020, 03:14:09 PM
Sounds brilliant to me Zippy! I'm definitely renewing as long as i don't move abroad.
There’s a few teams in Spain that play a bit 😀
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Post by: gazberg on May 26, 2020, 03:16:00 PM
There’s a few teams in Spain that play a bit 😀

None as good as the Baggies!
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Post by: BalisPen on May 26, 2020, 03:53:47 PM
I know covid is evil and is destroying lives by the second but I cannot help how I feel about football, and its A) for me and I am going to try to see games around the world that I have always wanted to see like boca vs river and real madrid vs barcelona (but never going to barcelona's ground again)

I am really missing football. Been to the last 6 World cups and some Euros, our holiday every other year is football orientated and when it is a non football summer I am looking at all the transfer rumours.

I've tried cricket a few times and like Worcestersire and went to the 20/20 final last season but I knew when they lost on the last ball and it didn't bother me that it wasn't for me. It didn't help that there were dingles and the vilest there supporting the same team as me.

Not knowing what is going to happen to our season is worrying and the possibility we could be denied promotion by some scheme or another is of great concern.

I have tickets for England vs Croatia and another game 2nd round game Wembley, and now all I have left is the teletext transfer gossip pages and a reading of Steve Bruce's tediously boring Striker on talksport.

I will be renewing my season ticket if that option is available, but at this stage I just want it back in any shape or form.

I am not picking a German team to support a week after VE day I just want our Albion back.
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Post by: Hull Baggie on May 26, 2020, 04:13:17 PM
Serious question ...

Has this pandemic made people think
A) when football returns I am going to go more
B) when football returns....I’m not so sure I will go as much
C) haven’t changed mindset

C for me. I go to games with my mum who's 78 so it's a chance to spend time with her as well as seeing football.
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Post by: don1thedon on May 26, 2020, 04:42:56 PM
C for me. I go to games with my mum who's 78 so it's a chance to spend time with her as well as seeing football.
I wish there was a "Like" button for posts like that.
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Post by: Hull Baggie on May 26, 2020, 06:50:38 PM
I wish there was a "Like" button for posts like that.

Thanks Don1thedon much appreciated.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 26, 2020, 07:29:40 PM
C for me. I go to games with my mum who's 78 so it's a chance to spend time with her as well as seeing football.

Same here. C for me, its the one thing i've done with my dad since 1976. Dread the day he's not here and if that day comes not sure i'd be able to face going for a long while.
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Post by: KN22 on May 26, 2020, 11:07:00 PM
It’s a definite C for me. Sit next to my 87 years old dad in East Stand and long for the day when we can return to the place we love.
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Post by: beechyboy90 on May 27, 2020, 05:44:07 AM
I know covid is evil and is destroying lives by the second but I cannot help how I feel about football, and its A) for me and I am going to try to see games around the world that I have always wanted to see like boca vs river and real madrid vs barcelona (but never going to barcelona's ground again)

I am really missing football. Been to the last 6 World cups and some Euros, our holiday every other year is football orientated and when it is a non football summer I am looking at all the transfer rumours.

I've tried cricket a few times and like Worcestersire and went to the 20/20 final last season but I knew when they lost on the last ball and it didn't bother me that it wasn't for me. It didn't help that there were dingles and the vilest there supporting the same team as me.

Not knowing what is going to happen to our season is worrying and the possibility we could be denied promotion by some scheme or another is of great concern.

I have tickets for England vs Croatia and another game 2nd round game Wembley, and now all I have left is the teletext transfer gossip pages and a reading of Steve Bruce's tediously boring Striker on talksport.

I will be renewing my season ticket if that option is available, but at this stage I just want it back in any shape or form.

I am not picking a German team to support a week after VE day I just want our Albion back.

A it has made me think more about how valuable life is and about taking more advantage of my time in the land of the living.

Been camp nou numerous times having worked in Barcelona. However the stadium whilst nice to look at generates no atmosphere. When I went to the bernebeau there was more atmosphere (still not much its akin to going old Trafford it's full of people expecting them to win so they moan and protest about everything) the stadium for me was better even had central heating above the seats...

Doing the derbys over the world is something I quite fancy or at least doing games in all the top leagues. Done ligue 1 la Liga even done the MLS... (now that's another story when we talk about "atmosphere"
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Post by: leeiswba on May 27, 2020, 09:04:16 AM
I know covid is evil and is destroying lives by the second but I cannot help how I feel about football, and its A) for me and I am going to try to see games around the world that I have always wanted to see like boca vs river and real madrid vs barcelona (but never going to barcelona's ground again)

I am really missing football. Been to the last 6 World cups and some Euros, our holiday every other year is football orientated and when it is a non football summer I am looking at all the transfer rumours.

I've tried cricket a few times and like Worcestersire and went to the 20/20 final last season but I knew when they lost on the last ball and it didn't bother me that it wasn't for me. It didn't help that there were dingles and the vilest there supporting the same team as me.

Not knowing what is going to happen to our season is worrying and the possibility we could be denied promotion by some scheme or another is of great concern.

I have tickets for England vs Croatia and another game 2nd round game Wembley, and now all I have left is the teletext transfer gossip pages and a reading of Steve Bruce's tediously boring Striker on talksport.

I will be renewing my season ticket if that option is available, but at this stage I just want it back in any shape or form.

I am not picking a German team to support a week after VE day I just want our Albion back.

I’m the same mate, can’t wait for it to all get back to normal. Been following England for a few years now, so looking forward to visiting more places with them but also thinking of doing a couple of German weekends where we can pick up maybe 3 games over 3 days.

Hoping to do a few tours with England Cricket as well
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Post by: BalisPen on May 27, 2020, 12:12:12 PM
A it has made me think more about how valuable life is and about taking more advantage of my time in the land of the living.

Been camp nou numerous times having worked in Barcelona. However the stadium whilst nice to look at generates no atmosphere. When I went to the bernebeau there was more atmosphere (still not much its akin to going old Trafford it's full of people expecting them to win so they moan and protest about everything) the stadium for me was better even had central heating above the seats...

Doing the derbys over the world is something I quite fancy or at least doing games in all the top leagues. Done ligue 1 la Liga even done the MLS... (now that's another story when we talk about "atmosphere"

A few years ago 1993 i think we went to juvestus vs lazio in the afternoon and then caught a train and went to ac vs inter.

Later in the year Fiorentina vs WBA and the next night San Marino vs England.

I went to the Nou Camp a couple of seasons ago for a game and like the Maracana from the outside it looks a terrible concrete mess imo. Went to real madrid ground, but I don't class it as having been as even though I did the tour and went pitch side I didn't see a game, but it is a tremendous ground where they have plans to do the roof.

Done the German grounds b muinch, dortmund, shalcke and Olympic stadium in wc 2006.

When on holiday I try to see what local sport is on so we can can go to a new stadium and as such I went to the miami heat arena and the Yankee stadium but would like to see a nfl and mls game in the future, but they also look like they have got the 2026 wc sewn up, so all being OK should go to that.

Because I don't really care for baseball or basketball we get the cheapest seats so they usually cost 10 dollars.

But, the game I want to see the most is boca vs river and in all honesty I should have made more of an effort to go the copa libertodas final they played in Madrid, but it wouldn't have been the same as at the La Bombonera.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: johnny Cash on May 27, 2020, 12:38:19 PM
The Premier league has voted to return to contact training, i would expect the championship to follow soon enough
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Post by: liverbaggie on May 27, 2020, 11:00:54 PM
Just wondering if the premier league starts up again to a footballing finish,and when we are promoted,the PL teams have to pay back approx 16:5 million pounds each to sky/ BT.
We will receive big bucks for promotion and bearing in mind we are solvent and other teams will have to sell to pay back to sky/ BT and the fact that in general the cost of players may reduce a lot,we could find ourselves in a very nice position money and paying for them ,I mean really good players.
Because most of the current PL clubs have already done their sky/ BT money hence the need to pay back due to no matches been paid,I'm tired and rambling sorry guys, but you know what I mean don't you?
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 27, 2020, 11:07:49 PM
Same here. C for me, its the one thing i've done with my dad since 1976. Dread the day he's not here and if that day comes not sure i'd be able to face going for a long while.
He is now duty bound to go well past the 100 club....just to prolong your personal wba agony 😀
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 27, 2020, 11:11:26 PM
A few years ago 1993 i think we went to juvestus vs lazio in the afternoon and then caught a train and went to ac vs inter.

Later in the year Fiorentina vs WBA and the next night San Marino vs England.

I went to the Nou Camp a couple of seasons ago for a game and like the Maracana from the outside it looks a terrible concrete mess imo. Went to real madrid ground, but I don't class it as having been as even though I did the tour and went pitch side I didn't see a game, but it is a tremendous ground where they have plans to do the roof.

Done the German grounds b muinch, dortmund, shalcke and Olympic stadium in wc 2006.

When on holiday I try to see what local sport is on so we can can go to a new stadium and as such I went to the miami heat arena and the Yankee stadium but would like to see a nfl and mls game in the future, but they also look like they have got the 2026 wc sewn up, so all being OK should go to that.

Because I don't really care for baseball or basketball we get the cheapest seats so they usually cost 10 dollars.

But, the game I want to see the most is boca vs river and in all honesty I should have made more of an effort to go the copa libertodas final they played in Madrid, but it wouldn't have been the same as at the La Bombonera.
Fantastic
I’ve been to Barca and Madrid but only the outsides , been to Oostend vs lalouviere (ode Winnie was on the bench) but would love to go to some Italian games.
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Post by: beechyboy90 on May 28, 2020, 02:37:36 AM
A few years ago 1993 i think we went to juvestus vs lazio in the afternoon and then caught a train and went to ac vs inter.


Later in the year Fiorentina vs WBA and the next night San Marino vs England.

I went to the Nou Camp a couple of seasons ago for a game and like the Maracana from the outside it looks a terrible concrete mess imo. Went to real madrid ground, but I don't class it as having been as even though I did the tour and went pitch side I didn't see a game, but it is a tremendous ground where they have plans to do the roof.

Done the German grounds b muinch, dortmund, shalcke and Olympic stadium in wc 2006.

When on holiday I try to see what local sport is on so we can can go to a new stadium and as such I went to the miami heat arena and the Yankee stadium but would like to see a nfl and mls game in the future, but they also look like they have got the 2026 wc sewn up, so all being OK should go to that.

Because I don't really care for baseball or basketball we get the cheapest seats so they usually cost 10 dollars.

But, the game I want to see the most is boca vs river and in all honesty I should have made more of an effort to go the copa libertodas final they played in Madrid, but it wouldn't have been the same as at the La Bombonera.

Nice mate. Would like to do the Milan derby. Also fancied Borussia v bayern.

Done the MLS the nba saw Orlando magic v Miami heat as a child when we did a disney holiday.

More recently I have done the baseball and saw la dogers v the anaheim Angel's

Both of which could be considered Derbys but neither had any form of atmosphere. The hockey and the american football next on the hit list.

Having said that whilst they're bucket list items going the derbys in the football has been far better
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 28, 2020, 09:04:51 AM
IMO, Standaman makes some really relevant points about the professional football landscape post covid19, & WBAFC aren't isolated from that.

If/when games do re-start, there's no guarantee that we'll reproduce the form that we showed pre-lockdown, so it's dangerous to assume we will be automatically promoted.

It's highly likely that the broadcasters will ask for a return of some payments for games not televised. Standaman reported that Man U had budgeted for a return of £15 million in Q4, extrapolated over 20 clubs, that's a loss of £300 million to the game.

Since lockdown, the only revenue coming in to WBA has been from existing season tickets, & the few sales from early renewals for season 20/21, together with items from the club shop. I assume we've paid players & staff from a pot set aside for that reason, not sure what happens when that runs out.
Have to say, all professional clubs are in a similar position, it's just that we aren't carrying a lot of debt, so we're in slightly better shape  than some, but we're not in great shape.

I should add that our debtors (people who owe us money) are somebody else's creditors ( people who they owe money to), so if any of our debtors (on the positive side of the P and L statement) go bust, we're in even worse shape.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on May 28, 2020, 06:11:53 PM
I'm not a company law expert, but I would think many EFL clubs might find the only way to get out of expensive contracts for players in their squads might be bankruptcy. 
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Post by: liverbaggie on May 28, 2020, 06:28:49 PM
Doesn't Mr Lai  owe the Albion 4/5k?
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 28, 2020, 06:33:32 PM
Doesn't Mr Lai  owe the Albion 4/5k?

4 million.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on May 28, 2020, 07:50:55 PM
IMO, Standaman makes some really relevant points about the professional football landscape post covid19, & WBAFC aren't isolated from that.

If/when games do re-start, there's no guarantee that we'll reproduce the form that we showed pre-lockdown, so it's dangerous to assume we will be automatically promoted.

It's highly likely that the broadcasters will ask for a return of some payments for games not televised. Standaman reported that Man U had budgeted for a return of £15 million in Q4, extrapolated over 20 clubs, that's a loss of £300 million to the game.

Since lockdown, the only revenue coming in to WBA has been from existing season tickets, & the few sales from early renewals for season 20/21, together with items from the club shop. I assume we've paid players & staff from a pot set aside for that reason, not sure what happens when that runs out.
Have to say, all professional clubs are in a similar position, it's just that we aren't carrying a lot of debt, so we're in slightly better shape  than some, but we're not in great shape.

I should add that our debtors (people who owe us money) are somebody else's creditors ( people who they owe money to), so if any of our debtors (on the positive side of the P and L statement) go bust, we're in even worse shape.

We are probably in a better shape than most clubs in the championship as we have £10 million in transfer fees instalments coming

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/05/21/west-brom-receive-10m-cash-injection-upcoming-transfer-installments
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 28, 2020, 08:20:16 PM
We're absolutely fine for at least 2 seasons. 5 if we get promoted.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 28, 2020, 08:25:08 PM
We are probably in a better shape than most clubs in the championship as we have £10 million in transfer fees instalments coming

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/05/21/west-brom-receive-10m-cash-injection-upcoming-transfer-installments

That's assuming Watford & Burnley have the cash, they will also have cash flow issues, not sure about Rondon.

We're probably ok on paper but a few bad debts will put us in trouble.
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Post by: liverbaggie on May 28, 2020, 09:19:11 PM
Don't forget that all premier league teams will have to pay back on average around 16:5 million pounds back to shy/bt due to unplayed matches as I understand it.
So I reckon we will be in a strong position to buy good players when we go up.
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Post by: KN22 on May 28, 2020, 10:42:10 PM
We're absolutely fine for at least 2 seasons. 5 if we get promoted.

You cannot say that with any certainty. It certainly was true prior to the pandemic but now, all bets are off.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 28, 2020, 11:49:06 PM
You cannot say that with any certainty. It certainly was true prior to the pandemic but now, all bets are off.

I can say it with as much certainty as anyone suggesting we're in financial peril.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 29, 2020, 12:29:08 AM
The Premier League getting a programme on has averted the worst case scenario. As a recipient of parachute payments I fully expect us to have to contribute to any refund that is due to the broadcasters

Our immediate cash flow position is bolstered by the transfer instalments that are falling due. Providing that clubs can still make these payments there is some liquidity in the game yet if and when they can't things start to unravel very quickly.

Our future in the Championship is uncertain the parachute payments place us in a better position than many but with all other income streams trending toward zero it is hard to be optimistic.

   

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on May 29, 2020, 07:53:06 AM
If our games go ahead, you would think it would be around the same time as the Prem - maybe let them have their "fanfare" restart weekend then book in midweek games to start just after that.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 29, 2020, 08:48:13 AM


Parachute payments are calculated as a percentage of the total fund, which means that if EPL clubs have to pay back circa £300 million, the funding pot will be smaller.
On that basis, it's unlikely that we'll get our budgeted allocation.
Details of the parachute payment mechanism here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League_parachute_and_solidarity_payments (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League_parachute_and_solidarity_payments)

As far as the £4 million loan inherited by JL, I believe the amount is owed to the Holding Company, & not WBAFC. Perhaps one of our members in the Shareholders for Albion group could clarify?


Personally, I'm not being pessimistic or optimistic, just realistic. If things did go belly up I will be disappointed, but not surprised.

The one benefit we do have is the academy, so if we did have a massive reduction in income, we could still put a team out, other Champs clubs couldn't.
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Post by: johnny Cash on May 29, 2020, 09:03:58 AM
I can't imagine paying any money at all back this season is still a threat. Surely part of giving broadcasters permission to screen every game they've taken this off the table.



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Post by: iwastherein68 on May 29, 2020, 09:35:08 AM
I can say it with as much certainty as anyone suggesting we're in financial peril.
I agree with you Jacko, I can't think of any club in the Championship better placed financially from within it's own means.
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Post by: mulliganstired on May 29, 2020, 10:41:59 AM
I agree with you Jacko, I can't think of any club in the Championship better placed financially from within it's own means.
The whole pyramid is in peril, but owning our own ground + academy puts us at least as well off as anyone else.  Some clubs like Coventry are little more than a shell organisation to put out a team now and could fold quickly with few ripples outside their fan base.
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Post by: boinging_along on May 29, 2020, 10:59:55 AM
Hopefully next time we want us to spend £10m on a player we don't all start panicking about it pushing the club under.  Seems that we're super stable one minute, then on the verge of financial collapse the next.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 29, 2020, 12:25:49 PM
Hopefully next time we want us to spend £10m on a player we don't all start panicking about it pushing the club under.  Seems that we're super stable one minute, then on the verge of financial collapse the next.

On paper, which means that if all the budgeted numbers materialise, we're ok, but it only wants one or two debtors to fall over, then we're not ok.

Here's a link to June 2019 accounts.

I've put up the link to companies house, the accounts link is at the top of the list.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03295063/filing-history (https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03295063/filing-history)

Most of the assets are in player registrations, at the time of compiling the accounts, the business had circa £1.2 million in the bank, & debtor valuations were circa £35.5 million.

Non tangible assets (players) had a book value of £35.5 million & tangible assets (property) had a book value of £23.3 million.

In terms of income generation:

Gate receipts £7.3 million
Merchandising £2.9 million
           Media £52.8 million
          Other? £7.7 million
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Post by: BalisPen on May 29, 2020, 12:59:09 PM
On paper, which means that if all the budgeted numbers materialise, we're ok, but it only wants one or two debtors to fall over, then we're not ok.

Here's a link to June 2019 accounts.

I've put up the link to companies house, the accounts link is at the top of the list.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03295063/filing-history (https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03295063/filing-history)

Most of the assets are in player registrations, at the time of compiling the accounts, the business had circa £1.2 million in the bank, & debtor valuations were circa £35.5 million.

Non tangible assets (players) had a book value of £35.5 million & tangible assets (property) had a book value of £23.3 million.

In terms of income generation:

Gate receipts £7.3 million
Merchandising £2.9 million
           Media £52.8 million
          Other? £7.7 million

You referred to a couple Debtors to fall over a few times and mentioned Watford and Burnley owing fees to us.

Football debts have to always be paid before any other and payment of these is conditional on said defaulting team to ever play in the Premier league or championship, so you don't need to worry about those debts and Burnley make lots of profit anyway and the pozzo's at Watford have plenty of resources too.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 29, 2020, 01:56:03 PM
You referred to a couple Debtors to fall over a few times and mentioned Watford and Burnley owing fees to us.

Football debts have to always be paid before any other and payment of these is conditional on said defaulting team to ever play in the Premier league or championship, so you don't need to worry about those debts and Burnley make lots of profit anyway and the pozzo's at Watford have plenty of resources too.

Ah, that's alright then, silly me.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on May 29, 2020, 09:57:07 PM
The EFL have arranged a meeting for the 8/6/20 to decide what is going to happen.

I don't understand why they have to wait until the 8/6/20, as it just seems like they are dragging their feet and appears to me as there is no appetite there to restart, otherwise they could have met this week and set a return date, especially with all the clubs testing and releasing their results.

Maybe some clubs cannot afford to restart with each generating nothing in gate receipts.
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Post by: mulliganstired on May 29, 2020, 10:25:05 PM
The EFL have arranged a meeting for the 8/6/20 to decide what is going to happen.

I don't understand why they have to wait until the 8/6/20, as it just seems like they are dragging their feet and appears to me as there is no appetite there to restart, otherwise they could have met this week and set a return date, especially with all the clubs testing and releasing their results.

Maybe some clubs cannot afford to restart with each generating nothing in gate receipts.
Unless they have a schedule laid out in advance of the meeting, we are going to run out of time
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 29, 2020, 10:40:21 PM
The Championship is almost certain to restart. League One despite some explicit threats of litigation from the 'big 6' I think will be curtailed and decided by ppg. League 2 have already voted to curtail but the vote cannot stand until the regulations have been updated, I would imagine they will again vote to curtail despite the renewed threat of relegation (helped again of course by the Bury situation).
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Post by: KN22 on May 30, 2020, 08:10:40 AM
I can say it with as much certainty as anyone suggesting we're in financial peril.
all I am saying is that there is no substance on this one. Our finances have to be suffering like those of many others.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 30, 2020, 08:59:47 AM
I can't imagine paying any money at all back this season is still a threat. Surely part of giving broadcasters permission to screen every game they've taken this off the table.

IMO, the decision to screen every prem game is government driven. Four of the games will be free to air.

It really depends how many subscribers the broadcasters lose, the product I'm going to be getting won't be the one I signed up for, also there's no other live sport to watch
The original idea was to compensate STH's for not being able to attend matches, but now a number of clubs have plans to refund outstanding games on Season Tickets.

It might be there will be some kind of government compensation mechanism. which will allow broadcasters to pay the full amount, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on May 30, 2020, 09:47:51 AM
IMO, the decision to screen every prem game is government driven. Four of the games will be free to air.

It really depends how many subscribers the broadcasters lose, the product I'm going to be getting won't be the one I signed up for, also there's no other live sport to watch
The original idea was to compensate STH's for not being able to attend matches, but now a number of clubs have plans to refund outstanding games on Season Tickets.

It might be there will be some kind of government compensation mechanism. which will allow broadcasters to pay the full amount, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

I rec'd  an email from BT yesterday saying they will be showing 20 PL games when it restarts. So it seems that the televised matches will carry on as before and if you want to watch your teams specific matches it will probably mean subscribing to something like Now TV.

I don't blame them for doing this because subscribers have paid for the service so why should someone who hasn't paid for a subscription get the same benefit.  I suppose Sky could put a special one off 2/3 month deal for the football.

At least we get some money back from season tickets which could be used to subscribe to some service to see the games.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 30, 2020, 11:28:08 AM
IMO, the decision to screen every prem game is government driven. Four of the games will be free to air.

It really depends how many subscribers the broadcasters lose, the product I'm going to be getting won't be the one I signed up for, also there's no other live sport to watch
The original idea was to compensate STH's for not being able to attend matches, but now a number of clubs have plans to refund outstanding games on Season Tickets.

It might be there will be some kind of government compensation mechanism. which will allow broadcasters to pay the full amount, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
And whichever side of the political fence people are on, the BEEB needs some good PR...
In a weird way it actually helps sky/prem league to look like A caring organisation too, some win, no one loses , everybody is happy ....would expect a slight increase in subscriptions for next year 😀
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Post by: Wollastonbaggie on May 30, 2020, 03:03:41 PM
Hi all. I'm not that bothered about watching  PL matches-if there are any on the "ordinary" channels I'll probably watch 1 or 2 if there's nothing else taking my fancy at the time. Albion matches are different-are there likely to be any of our matches broadcast? Will there even be any streamed?
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Post by: Standaman on May 30, 2020, 03:48:05 PM
Hi all. I'm not that bothered about watching  PL matches-if there are any on the "ordinary" channels I'll probably watch 1 or 2 if there's nothing else taking my fancy at the time. Albion matches are different-are there likely to be any of our matches broadcast? Will there even be any streamed?

That is a very good question.  One of things that I have wondered about with wall to wall coverage of the Premier League will there be any scope for Sky or anybody else for that matter to broadcast the Championship matches? It looks like the PL has taken over the entire broadcast schedule. I suspect the answer will be streaming via club website.
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Post by: Wollastonbaggie on May 30, 2020, 04:02:07 PM
Thanks for the reply. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose assuming it's not decided to call a halt to the Championship season, which is still a possibility isn't it?
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 30, 2020, 04:55:05 PM
All professional sport can go ahead behind closed from Monday.
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Post by: tommcneill on May 30, 2020, 07:07:52 PM
Hi all. I'm not that bothered about watching  PL matches-if there are any on the "ordinary" channels I'll probably watch 1 or 2 if there's nothing else taking my fancy at the time. Albion matches are different-are there likely to be any of our matches broadcast? Will there even be any streamed?

I think the championship will get split between them all aswell and they’ll be broadcast
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: hardtobeat on May 30, 2020, 09:09:02 PM
17 people connected to EFL clubs test positive for virus , 10 in the championship
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Post by: Standaman on May 30, 2020, 11:03:16 PM
17 people connected to EFL clubs test positive for virus , 10 in the championship

This  is somewhat disconcerting if they were part of the 1st group that had just 3 positive tests
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Post by: BalisPen on May 31, 2020, 12:07:12 AM
17 people connected to EFL clubs test positive for virus , 10 in the championship

This is what they are waiting for imo because the numbers are increasing giving them sufficient reason not to to continue or put it off again at the 8/6/20 meeting.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 31, 2020, 12:16:46 AM
13 in well over 2000 tests. It won't hinder the Championship restart.
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Post by: Standaman on May 31, 2020, 01:05:01 AM
13 in well over 2000 tests. It won't hinder the Championship restart.

In itself no. Although it won't take a lot to stop it. We have had 2 sets of roughly 1000 tests. First set found 3 the second found 10 this is a 3 fold increase. This is in an environment which is about as sterile and controlled as any that we could imagine.

 A further 3 fold increase and  I think the EFL would have to take stock of what they were doing because at that point they could hardly claim that the counter measures were working.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Barrington on May 31, 2020, 08:38:26 AM
If possible I would prefer our season to not restart anyway providing we are promoted via points per game so far. With a fully fit squad in a normal season environment I still fancy us to be getting enough points to be top 3-4 but starting again with various levels of fitness and a strange game-day atmosphere I fear it could end up as more of a lottery for us.

I think we've got more to lose than gain if our season re-starts and I'm not particularly bothered about finishing the season in 'the correct way'. It's been a strange old year which not many people will look back on as a normal season. The important thing is that we finish it by getting promoted as every team could really do with whatever TV money becomes available for Prem clubs next season.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BB74 on May 31, 2020, 08:55:42 AM
If possible I would prefer our season to not restart anyway providing we are promoted via points per game so far. With a fully fit squad in a normal season environment I still fancy us to be getting enough points to be top 3-4 but starting again with various levels of fitness and a strange game-day atmosphere I fear it could end up as more of a lottery for us.

I think we've got more to lose than gain if our season re-starts and I'm not particularly bothered about finishing the season in 'the correct way'. It's been a strange old year which not many people will look back on as a normal season. The important thing is that we finish it by getting promoted as every team could really do with whatever TV money becomes available for Prem clubs next season.

It is definitely a lottery and we have got more to lose than gain. The only way we can’t go up now is if we play the games on the pitch. All the variations of PPG see us go up.
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Post by: hardtobeat on May 31, 2020, 09:02:06 AM
It is not so much the number of positive tests ,although that willl be off putting to me it is the number of different clubs affected. More clubs with infection= more chance of contagion
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Post by: mulliganstired on May 31, 2020, 09:03:40 AM
This is what they are waiting for imo because the numbers are increasing giving them sufficient reason not to to continue or put it off again at the 8/6/20 meeting.
It could well be what they are semi-secretly hoping for, so much easier for them.  There would surely have to be at least 2 weeks notice even if they decided to resume on the 8th?  Maybe they are drafting a seriously congested programme to rip through it quickly?  God knows, but right now if they do cancel and go for PPG, that will do for me.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on May 31, 2020, 11:12:44 AM
In itself no. Although it won't take a lot to stop it. We have had 2 sets of roughly 1000 tests. First set found 3 the second found 10 this is a 3 fold increase. This is in an environment which is about as sterile and controlled as any that we could imagine.

 A further 3 fold increase and  I think the EFL would have to take stock of what they were doing because at that point they could hardly claim that the counter measures were working.

Problem is, it's clearly not, & the only way it would be, is for players, officials & support staff to receive negative tests for 14 days & then be in compete isolation.

That might work for the 9 remaining round of games, but going forward?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on May 31, 2020, 01:25:52 PM
Problem is, it's clearly not, & the only way it would be, is for players, officials & support staff to receive negative tests for 14 days & then be in compete isolation.

That might work for the 9 remaining round of games, but going forward?

My guess that the training ground environment is fairly tightly controlled but a cordon sanitaire is not possible. Players are let out and even with the best advice from their clubs still manage to come into contact with the virus and get infected. The current level of infection is manageable but the stumbling block is always the general level of infection in the general population is too high
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Post by: hardtobeat on May 31, 2020, 02:21:11 PM
Was thinking about the travelling arrangements , what’s the longest journey in our division Swansea to Middlesbrough ? I assume as hotels not open then all travel is going to have to be done on the day of the game.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 31, 2020, 03:18:32 PM
Couldn't the games be played on zoom?
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 31, 2020, 07:17:15 PM
Was thinking about the travelling arrangements , what’s the longest journey in our division Swansea to Middlesbrough ? I assume as hotels not open then all travel is going to have to be done on the day of the game.
You would be surprised how many actually are open
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 31, 2020, 08:37:16 PM
Percccccyyyyy at the back pooooosssssttttttttt:

Championship football to restart on 20th June!! (provisional date).
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 31, 2020, 10:55:33 PM
Still too many risks, for my liking.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: KN22 on May 31, 2020, 11:09:07 PM
Percccccyyyyy at the back pooooosssssttttttttt:

Championship football to restart on 20th June!! (provisional date).

Great news....
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: seteefeet on June 01, 2020, 09:03:02 AM
Great news....
In typical Baggies fan style, I have been waiting for this news for months and yet, now it's finally here all I can think is "please don't blow it boys"  :'( ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: hardtobeat on June 01, 2020, 09:09:00 AM
Anything about who the clubs were, I know of Preston and Cardiff who had positive Covid tests ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: hardtobeat on June 01, 2020, 10:24:02 AM
Having read the comments coming out of QPR and supported supposedly by others I think we are a long way from starting on the 20th
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Political Cake on June 01, 2020, 10:32:16 AM
Percccccyyyyy at the back pooooosssssttttttttt:

Championship football to restart on 20th June!! (provisional date).

Also club response: https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/may/efl-statement-coronavirus-update2/

Considering up to five substitutes could be allowed, increasing match day squads up from 18 to 20.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on June 01, 2020, 12:43:38 PM
QPR's objections seem to be

a) This is happening too quickly we won't be up to speed.
b) Nobody consulted us.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jun/01/championship-qpr-appalled-by-restart-date-of-20-june?CMP=share_btn_tw

As an interesting aside I think the Football Authorities need to start to wrestle control away from the clubs. The current structures are too easily exploited by small group of clubs with a particular set of interests and have for too long the game has not been run for the greater good.

I am not sure how we transition from here to a different place but with large scale dislocation comes the opportunity for reform.

Further update this one from Charlton and in particular Lyle Taylor who does not wish to play out the rest of the season because potential injury would rule out a summer move one assumes he has lined up. Obviously 30th June is looming large so the contract issue is going to have to be addressed. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/lyle-taylor-transfer-charlton-championship-coronavirus-efl-a9542306.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1591011526

Oh and watch this space for details of ST refunds and or future offers

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/june/make-sure-your-details-are-up-to-date/



Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on June 01, 2020, 01:12:56 PM
QPR's objections seem to be

a) This is happening too quickly we won't be up to speed.
b) Nobody consulted us.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jun/01/championship-qpr-appalled-by-restart-date-of-20-june?CMP=share_btn_tw

As an interesting aside I think the Football Authorities need to start to wrestle control away from the clubs. The current structures are too easily exploited by small group of clubs with a particular set of interests and have for too long the game has not been run for the greater good.

I am not sure how we transition from here to a different place but with large scale dislocation comes the opportunity for reform.

Further update this one from Charlton and in particular Lyle Taylor who does not wish to play out the rest of the season because potential injury would rule out a summer move one assumes he has lined up. Obviously 30th June is looming large so the contract issue is going to have to be addressed. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/lyle-taylor-transfer-charlton-championship-coronavirus-efl-a9542306.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1591011526

Oh and watch this space for details of ST refunds and or future offers

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/june/make-sure-your-details-are-up-to-date/

What I thought was interesting from the club statement was this bit:

Quote
The Club has already completed a refund programme for supporters who had purchased match tickets for those games and await further details from the EFL about a schedule of offers to compensate our season ticket holders.

Whether it's to ensure that there's a uniform compensation package for all clubs, or whether it's because the compensation will be funded by the EFL, I'm not sure.
However, the statement did go on to say that the club was receiving no significant income during this period
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: hardtobeat on June 01, 2020, 01:19:38 PM
It does seem a bit strange the EFL just up and say they are going to start just a few days after saying there would be a vote on how to proceed on 8th June. The reason for leaving meeting until 8th was so that teams could decide on their responses
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: don1thedon on June 01, 2020, 01:43:00 PM
Looks like Middlesborough were working toward 20th according to a quote from Jonathan Woodgate;
“It isn’t a lot of time," admitted Woodgate. "But the players worked to their own programmes during lockdown, and came back here last week. We’d had June 20 in mind as a possible to return and were already working towards that date. We had a good week last week and we’ll step things up this week, and keep moving forwards now.”
I suspect a range of dates had already been discussed, it appears each of the clubs have their own preferred options.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 01, 2020, 01:43:44 PM
It does seem a bit strange the EFL just up and say they are going to start just a few days after saying there would be a vote on how to proceed on 8th June. The reason for leaving meeting until 8th was so that teams could decide on their responses

The vote is to enforce the change in their rules to allow ppg to finish an abridged season.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: paulosull on June 01, 2020, 02:03:56 PM
Sooner we get out of this Mickie mouse league the better, we'll run clubs will be subsidising owners who are running their business's into ground.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on June 01, 2020, 02:40:51 PM
If this gets to re-start later this month, one of the big questions will be TV coverage. From a purely selfish point of view, I'd be happy if all the games were on iFollow as I already have a season's subscription. However, most fans probably haven't got any tv subscription, and the clubs should be looking to help the fans. They shouldn't be expected to splash out big cash to tv companies, especially if they've already paid for season tickets. Maybe the Government can help regulate this as a gesture of solidarity to the general public. 
One important point to note about iFollow, is that they have not been allowed to cover the games live on Sky or BT Sport.   In the case of Albion, that has meant losing rights to almost half of the games this current season. Obviously its not rocket science working out which games Sky and BT Sport want to cover, which are the games everyone most wants to see.
As fans can no longer attend matches, they should be allowed tv viewing rights either free-to-air or at a regulated, moderate cost.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on June 01, 2020, 02:48:10 PM
If this gets to re-start later this month, one of the big questions will be TV coverage. From a purely selfish point of view, I'd be happy if all the games were on iFollow as I already have a season's subscription. However, most fans probably haven't got any tv subscription, and the clubs should be looking to help the fans. They shouldn't be expected to splash out big cash to tv companies, especially if they've already paid for season tickets. Maybe the Government can help regulate this as a gesture of solidarity to the general public. 
One important point to note about iFollow, is that they have not been allowed to cover the games live on Sky or BT Sport.   In the case of Albion, that has meant losing rights to almost half of the games this current season. Obviously its not rocket science working out which games Sky and BT Sport want to cover, which are the games everyone most wants to see.
As fans can no longer attend matches, they should be allowed tv viewing rights either free-to-air or at a regulated, moderate cost.

From the club statement earlier, there are plans to compensate season ticket holders, once that is done, the club's contractual obligations to it's sths are over.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 01, 2020, 02:54:50 PM
From the club statement earlier, there are plans to compensate season ticket holders, once that is done, the club's contractual obligations to it's sths are over.

I suspect these refunds have something to do whatever the clubs have been told about televised live coverage.

Red Button would be my guess.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on June 01, 2020, 03:01:55 PM
I suspect these refunds have something to do whatever the clubs have been told about televised live coverage.

Red Button would be my guess.

Probably! the technology is already in place.

My comment about sths was in response to Alex1 link to sths who had already paid
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Groovephil on June 01, 2020, 03:22:56 PM
As much as I’d like to see this go ahead I can’t see it happening without huge protests from players and loads refusing to play.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Adder on June 01, 2020, 04:20:37 PM
Obviously it's better than nothing but the red button coverage isn't great - one fixed camera, no replays, no HD (and it shows).
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on June 01, 2020, 05:23:54 PM
Obviously it's better than nothing but the red button coverage isn't great - one fixed camera, no replays, no HD (and it shows).

Yeah but better than this and in the comfort of your own home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BCakcfTpuQ

Although times change it is good to see somethings (like beating the Dingles) stay the same.



Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on June 01, 2020, 07:39:48 PM
Sooner we get out of this Mickie mouse league the better, we'll run clubs will be subsidising owners who are running their business's into ground.
Just as well for us it didn't happen 25 years ago then
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Adder on June 01, 2020, 08:50:01 PM
Yeah but better than this and in the comfort of your own home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BCakcfTpuQ

Although times change it is good to see somethings (like beating the Dingles) stay the same.
Yeah I know, we are spoilt these days with the coverage. You tend to get used to good quality and then when it reverts a couple of steps it's not great....but I'm looking forward to any coverage anyway !
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Political Cake on June 02, 2020, 10:16:02 AM
Contact training resumes:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-pereira-diangana-training-18347788

EFL approved risk assessments from Leeds and a number of others this morning. (https://twitter.com/PhilHay_/status/1267744157864529923)


Let the injuries begin! ;D :-X
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: beechyboy90 on June 03, 2020, 05:33:50 AM
Dont know if this is a stupid question or if it hasnt been decided yet.

They going to play fixtures in order?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BB74 on June 03, 2020, 08:54:14 AM
Dont know if this is a stupid question or if it hasnt been decided yet.

They going to play fixtures in order?

If we follow the Premier League then I think the first batch of fixtures will be games in hand. The each round of fixtures will be played as close together as possible, e.g over a 3 day period in order to get the league as straight as possible should the season be stopped again.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 03, 2020, 08:55:17 AM
If we follow the Premier League then I think the first batch of fixtures will be games in hand. The each round of fixtures will be played as close together as possible, e.g over a 3 day period in order to get the league as straight as possible should the season be stopped again.
Makes sense but we have all played the same number of matches , so if we were out of sync and the season was ended presumably there would still be points adjustments to be made.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on June 03, 2020, 12:29:13 PM
Not directly about us but i can see this being applied to the majority of teams.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11781/11999602/scottish-premiership-set-for-august-return-with-new-sky-sports-deal

Each clubs game will be shown live even if not selected for national broadcast and the fans of each team buy a virtual season ticket that enables them to see every game if shown behind closed doors and provides the football club with a revenue stream.

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: KN22 on June 03, 2020, 12:48:24 PM
Dont know if this is a stupid question or if it hasnt been decided yet.

They going to play fixtures in order?

I believe that the answer is yes, i.e. our next game is Birmingham City at home.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 03, 2020, 02:56:33 PM
Dont know if this is a stupid question or if it hasnt been decided yet.

They going to play fixtures in order?
Certainly not stupid
You would hope they have looked at many factors including the amount of miles for matches and if there was anyway of doing closest first to limit risking infections
However, I think it will be as you were .
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 03, 2020, 03:01:40 PM
Everyone has played 37 games so unlike PL there are no games in hand to play first to reach parity.

Fixtures set to go ahead as previously scheduled.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on June 03, 2020, 06:38:16 PM
"Update on Championship restart: season WILL start on June 20 (despite some opposition) but EFL has agreed to remove the first midweek game, so only 2 games in first week and not 3. Season to finish on 21/22 July with play-off final in early August"
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on June 04, 2020, 09:16:53 AM
Article just up on the Athletic describing the rebate deal reached between Sky and the PL. Too Long to copy and paste but here are the key facts.

1. Total Refund £330m
2. Sky have deferred their share of that refund to August 2021 BT expected to follow suit
3. The Overseas Rights holders are due £107m which falls due in July.
4. Payments in line with the overall distribution i.e. Liverpool over £20m and Norwich £6m overall average £14m per club
5. Curtailment would cost in excess of £700m

Deal protects solidarity payments with EFL but I can't see anything about those in receipt of parachute payments I assume they will be expected to contribute proportionality.

 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on June 04, 2020, 09:35:29 AM
Have Albion taken all of the parachute payments In advance for this season?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on June 04, 2020, 09:40:52 AM
Have Albion taken all of the parachute payments In advance for this season?

I doubt it I think the payments are made in tranches at various points in the season in a similar way to how the PL broadcast revenue is distributed.

The key here is whatever is paid back to Sky/BT won't have to be made until 2021. I can't see our share of the overseas rights being much more than £2m if that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on June 04, 2020, 12:33:01 PM
Article just up on the Athletic describing the rebate deal reached between Sky and the PL. Too Long to copy and paste but here are the key facts.

1. Total Refund £330m
2. Sky have deferred their share of that refund to August 2021 BT expected to follow suit
3. The Overseas Rights holders are due £107m which falls due in July.
4. Payments in line with the overall distribution i.e. Liverpool over £20m and Norwich £6m overall average £14m per club
5. Curtailment would cost in excess of £700m

Deal protects solidarity payments with EFL but I can't see anything about those in receipt of parachute payments I assume they will be expected to contribute proportionality.

Does it say what happens to relegated clubs?
If the EPL relegated clubs have to pay back their share in August 2021, it would wipe a significant amount off their parachute payments.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on June 04, 2020, 12:37:01 PM
Does it say what happens to relegated clubs?
If the EPL relegated clubs have to pay back their share in August 2021, it would wipe a significant amount off their parachute payments.

Oh, I do hope so !
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on June 04, 2020, 01:32:47 PM
Article just up on the Athletic describing the rebate deal reached between Sky and the PL. Too Long to copy and paste but here are the key facts.

1. Total Refund £330m
2. Sky have deferred their share of that refund to August 2021 BT expected to follow suit
3. The Overseas Rights holders are due £107m which falls due in July.
4. Payments in line with the overall distribution i.e. Liverpool over £20m and Norwich £6m overall average £14m per club
5. Curtailment would cost in excess of £700m

Deal protects solidarity payments with EFL but I can't see anything about those in receipt of parachute payments I assume they will be expected to contribute proportionality.

This £330m has been bandied about for a while and I am certain under Scudamore this wouldn't have happened as they are getting their games and the delay is unforeseeable and not the fault of the premier league.

I cannot believe they didn't threaten sky and bt with setting up their own pay per view channel which has been mooted for a while.

In relation to parachute payments being affected by the £330m refund, it being given back because of the fixtures not taking place on the original dates. None of those getting parachute payments have had any Premier league games postponed, and if sky chase championship club for refund that mean we would pay twice, which is shocking.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 04, 2020, 02:02:21 PM
Article just up on the Athletic describing the rebate deal reached between Sky and the PL. Too Long to copy and paste but here are the key facts.

1. Total Refund £330m
2. Sky have deferred their share of that refund to August 2021 BT expected to follow suit
3. The Overseas Rights holders are due £107m which falls due in July.
4. Payments in line with the overall distribution i.e. Liverpool over £20m and Norwich £6m overall average £14m per club
5. Curtailment would cost in excess of £700m

Deal protects solidarity payments with EFL but I can't see anything about those in receipt of parachute payments I assume they will be expected to contribute proportionality.

In addition, broadcasters are likely to push for;

- half time interviews
- microphones in the dug out
- players being taped up (similar to Rugby)

This will be a surreal experience. I can’t wait for Martin Tyler to constantly apologise for a footballers foul language
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on June 04, 2020, 02:09:23 PM
The rebate was hard wired into the contract that the PL signed up (under Scudamore's leadership) to so I don't think whatever bluster about an alternative would have changed it.

I have real doubt about the ability of the Premier League to launch a Pay per View Channel without some sort of broadcast partner it simply does not have the infrastructure.

The broadcast deal is just a lump of cash that the PL receives in exchange for the rights. The PL choses how it distributes the money and part of that distribution is the parachute payments. The PL has not asked for a refund of the solidarity payments it has made to the EFL. It is not a question of Sky "going after" Championship clubs it is a question of the PL refunding money because of the contract they signed.

The PL might ring fence the parachute payments but equally they may not. It is not a terrible injustice if they don't.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on June 04, 2020, 02:44:22 PM
In relation to the sky going after championship clubs, I meant for the fixtures those championship clubs couldn't fulfill under the championship contract.

So in effect if the parachute payment was affected and we had to refund money under the sky tv championship contract then we would be paying twice which imo is unfair.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on June 04, 2020, 02:53:08 PM
In relation to the sky going after championship clubs, I meant for the fixtures those championship clubs couldn't fulfill under the championship contract.

So in effect if the parachute payment was affected and we had to refund money under the sky tv championship contract then we would be paying twice which imo is unfair.

The clubs that receive the parachute payments don't participate in the Championship broadcast deal.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Standaman on June 05, 2020, 09:39:52 AM
Just up on the OS interview with Luke Dowling.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/june/luke-they-know-they-have-a-job-to-do/

Key take away he has confirmed all the loanees and their clubs have agreed that they will stay on until the season is completed.

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: MarkW on June 05, 2020, 10:45:34 AM
Just up on the OS interview with Luke Dowling.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/june/luke-they-know-they-have-a-job-to-do/

Key take away he has confirmed all the loanees and their clubs have agreed that they will stay on until the season is completed.



A good read.

Other point about Sam Field potentially going back to Charlton
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on June 05, 2020, 11:20:40 AM
A good read.

Other point about Sam Field potentially going back to Charlton

If Sam is fit it makes sense going back to Charlton, cannot see that we listed him in our squad, but Charlton would have.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: lewisant on June 05, 2020, 04:56:08 PM
This article touches on the fixture schedule for the championship https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/june/season-ticket-holders-can-see-albion-finale-for-free/ (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/june/season-ticket-holders-can-see-albion-finale-for-free/)

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tylerm on June 05, 2020, 08:11:51 PM
This article touches on the fixture schedule for the championship https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/june/season-ticket-holders-can-see-albion-finale-for-free/ (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/june/season-ticket-holders-can-see-albion-finale-for-free/)

It reads as if there is the option of a refund, I would think around £80 or all the games on IPlayer. Another option appears to be IPlayer at £10 per game. Some of our games will be on Sky anyway and a Sky soccer special showing the goals as they are scored. I think I prefer to watch the whole game but do hate BCD games.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: johnny Cash on June 05, 2020, 08:37:33 PM
It reads as if there is the option of a refund, I would think around £80 or all the games on IPlayer. Another option appears to be IPlayer at £10 per game. Some of our games will be on Sky anyway and a Sky soccer special showing the goals as they are scored. I think I prefer to watch the whole game but do hate BCD games.

I think we will probably have 6 games on proper sky. I’m surprised they haven’t said they’ll just show everything on the red button though.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tylerm on June 05, 2020, 08:51:44 PM
I think we will probably have 6 games on proper sky. I’m surprised they haven’t said they’ll just show everything on the red button though.
I would imagine Sky have reached this agreement with the clubs to enable the clubs to raise some cash as opposed to refunding Season ticket monies
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 06, 2020, 09:53:57 AM
Can IFollow be watched through TV? Wouldn’t fancy watching the games on my phone
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on June 06, 2020, 11:33:14 AM
Can IFollow be watched through TV? Wouldn’t fancy watching the games on my phone

Not brilliant tech wise, but I'll try:

If you have a smart tv, then yes, you should have access to an internet browser.

Another way is to use tv out, on your phone, I've never done it, but if you've got the option on the phone, you can link from the micro usb on the phone to the hdmi connection on your tv.

There's a link here to some of the other options

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/droid-meets-hdmi-how-and-why-to-connect-your-android-phone-to-your-tv/ (https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/droid-meets-hdmi-how-and-why-to-connect-your-android-phone-to-your-tv/)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on June 06, 2020, 01:18:39 PM
just spent half an hour using LG smart tv interface (stinks) to get ifollow and the ifollow site is useless. It seems they know what we do. (not that surprising I suppose at the moment)

There is no schedule, no listings of games to be broadcast and therefore not on ifollow, infact, all it seems to say is subscription prices which for audio & video is £10 / game. Note also WBA is one of the clubs who do NOT issue a news letter via this channel, so be sure you don't pay for that via the "basic" deal.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 06, 2020, 03:09:58 PM
If anyone is struggling to watch the matches..... PM me and I'll send you a few options on how you can watch. I've used Ifollow for a couple of years now and overall it is good quality but limited to what devices you can watch it on. I also use "other" ways of viewing as I am forced to, to watch my UK TV as I live in Spain. The main thing is that I don't miss a minute of WBA matches on my big screen.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Adder on June 07, 2020, 10:48:33 PM
If anyone is struggling to watch the matches..... PM me and I'll send you a few options on how you can watch. I've used Ifollow for a couple of years now and overall it is good quality but limited to what devices you can watch it on. I also use "other" ways of viewing as I am forced to, to watch my UK TV as I live in Spain. The main thing is that I don't miss a minute of WBA matches on my big screen.
Out of interest can you get ifollow coverage in HD or is it standard definition like Sky red button ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 08, 2020, 03:10:01 AM
Only 2 positive tests in the latest round of nearly 1200 tests conducted in the Championship, think we can safely pencil in Blues at home on 20th June.  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on June 09, 2020, 01:16:21 PM
Efl have confirmed that if season ends again once resumed then remaining fixtures will be calculated on a PPG basis. Promotion AND relegations upheld as standard
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on June 09, 2020, 05:24:47 PM
Do we know if iFollow is going to cover the live Sky and BT Sport matches also? The website says STH holders can get automatic coverage to all 9 games,  but that may just apply to STH's.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 09, 2020, 06:08:59 PM
Do we know if iFollow is going to cover the live Sky and BT Sport matches also? The website says STH holders can get automatic coverage to all 9 games,  but that may just apply to STH's.

Don't think the system is nuanced enough for them to differentiate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on June 09, 2020, 06:32:47 PM
Don't think the system is nuanced enough for them to differentiate.
Ta. Hope you're right, to save me trying to find some dodgy stream for Sky games.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on June 09, 2020, 07:03:59 PM
Don't think the system is nuanced enough for them to differentiate.

Think you're right, STH's will just get a code(s) to cover all 9 games, but anyone can pay the £10 per game & watch.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 09, 2020, 08:57:26 PM
Out of interest can you get ifollow coverage in HD or is it standard definition like Sky red button ?

It's 720p resolution. So not full HD but if you run it through a powerful PC, the quality is very good. Cheaper devices can playback a little jerky.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Baggie-Dave on June 09, 2020, 10:10:52 PM
Can you stream iFollow on a ‘smart’ TV?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on June 09, 2020, 10:22:14 PM
Can you stream iFollow on a ‘smart’ TV?

I think you can only stream to mobile devices.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Adder on June 09, 2020, 10:42:53 PM
It's 720p resolution. So not full HD but if you run it through a powerful PC, the quality is very good. Cheaper devices can playback a little jerky.
OK thanks for that, I'll give it a go when we finally kick off.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on June 09, 2020, 10:46:04 PM
The Coventry fans went to the City centre and had a promotion party with no social distancing.

If we go up, and it's a big if, I wonder what shenanigans our lot will get up to.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on June 09, 2020, 11:02:32 PM
Can you stream iFollow on a ‘smart’ TV?

It says you can view it on a desktop computer, so I can't see why not.

Just followed the link on os & it works on my chrome browser.

It does look as though an audio only commentary is available for non sth's if the match is being shown on sky.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: johnny Cash on June 09, 2020, 11:24:32 PM
I’ve tried to stream a couple of things on smart tv browsers in the past and it’s never worked out particularly well. I think I’ve abandoned it every time. They don’t seem to be particularly compatible with flash players or the like that mobiles, tablets and computers use.

Like has been said, a HDMI adapted is probably the beat way if you really want it on your tv screen. They aren’t particularly expensive.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggie53 on June 10, 2020, 09:18:13 AM
I’ve tried to stream a couple of things on smart tv browsers in the past and it’s never worked out particularly well. I think I’ve abandoned it every time. They don’t seem to be particularly compatible with flash players or the like that mobiles, tablets and computers use.

Like has been said, a HDMI adapted is probably the beat way if you really want it on your tv screen. They aren’t particularly expensive.

I have a Samsung TV and phone. Would it work with Samsung Smart View?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on June 10, 2020, 09:19:41 AM
I use a mac, and have succesfully linked via HDMI lead to a LG smart tv, bit of a faff but works ok.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2020, 09:51:57 AM
I have a Samsung TV and phone. Would it work with Samsung Smart View?

It will be very stuttery. Your Samsung phone will have come with a hdmi out adapter.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: geoff on June 10, 2020, 09:55:03 AM
I have a Samsung TV and phone. Would it work with Samsung Smart View?

I would have thought a lot of these questions would be best answserd by someone from the WBA I-T team.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: miggybaggy on June 10, 2020, 09:59:20 AM

I would have thought a lot of these questions would be best answserd by someone from the WBA I-T team.

Or a teenager!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: boinging_along on June 10, 2020, 10:32:37 AM
I have a Samsung TV and phone. Would it work with Samsung Smart View?

I think you should be able to watch it on your phone then transmit the picture to the TV.  It is possible they block you from doing that like they do with Sky Go.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on June 10, 2020, 10:46:27 AM
I think you should be able to watch it on your phone then transmit the picture to the TV.  It is possible they block you from doing that like they do with Sky Go.

I think you are right that mirroring isn't supported on iFollows
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: hardtobeat on June 10, 2020, 11:51:26 AM
Only 2 positive tests in the latest round of nearly 1200 tests conducted in the Championship, think we can safely pencil in Blues at home on 20th June.  ;D
Michael O’ Neill tested positive . Results apparently given him when he was already at venue for friendly v Man. Utd. Seems he had tested negative on several previous occasions, wonder how much of a set back this is to re starting ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2020, 12:04:51 PM
Michael O’ Neill tested positive . Results apparently given him when he was already at venue for friendly v Man. Utd. Seems he had tested negative on several previous occasions, wonder how much of a set back this is to re starting ?

Not a set back at all. Treated like any injury.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Adder on June 10, 2020, 12:45:37 PM
It says you can view it on a desktop computer, so I can't see why not.

Just followed the link on os & it works on my chrome browser.

It does look as though an audio only commentary is available for non sth's if the match is being shown on sky.
By 'match being shown on Sky' I assume you mean shown as the main match with full HD coverage ? Sky red button matches - I'm not sure, but would hope these are classed differently and available to non STH on ifollow ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: hardtobeat on June 10, 2020, 12:59:15 PM
Not a set back at all. Treated like any injury.
Won’t all his team have to self isolate for 14 days ? , with only 10 days to go before re start
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games provisionally to resume 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2020, 01:00:14 PM
Won’t all his team have to self isolate for 14 days ? , with only 10 days to go before re start

No.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on June 10, 2020, 01:13:35 PM
By 'match being shown on Sky' I assume you mean shown as the main match with full HD coverage ? Sky red button matches - I'm not sure, but would hope these are classed differently and available to non STH on ifollow ?

TBH I don't know a lot about ifollow, as I've never used it, but I followed the link on the os.

It looks as though it's a Sky product that's sold to the EFL & then on to clubs who want to participate. I believe it's a streaming option for global fans who wouldn't be in a position to be at games. There is a caveat that if a game is being broadcast live on sky, then it's not available to UK viewers, but an audio only version is available.

The Birmingham home & the Brentford away games, (both to be broadcast live on sky) are listed as audio only for the general public.
STH's will be given an authorisation code so that they can view all games.

It looks as though the video version won't be available to non STH's if the game is to be broadcast live on sky.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Adder on June 10, 2020, 03:33:57 PM
TBH I don't know a lot about ifollow, as I've never used it, but I followed the link on the os.

It looks as though it's a Sky product that's sold to the EFL & then on to clubs who want to participate. I believe it's a streaming option for global fans who wouldn't be in a position to be at games. There is a caveat that if a game is being broadcast live on sky, then it's not available to UK viewers, but an audio only version is available.

The Birmingham home & the Brentford away games, (both to be broadcast live on sky) are listed as audio only for the general public.
STH's will be given an authorisation code so that they can view all games.

It looks as though the video version won't be available to non STH's if the game is to be broadcast live on sky.
OK thanks for the info, I guess all will become clear when we get to the first red button game.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2020, 03:38:58 PM
OK thanks for the info, I guess all will become clear when we get to the first red button game.

Based on the 'Live on Sky' listings, there are no scheduled red button matches.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Adder on June 10, 2020, 03:51:35 PM
Based on the 'Live on Sky' listings, there are no scheduled red button matches.
OK cheers, as a non STH I guess I'll be paying for iFollow on a match by match basis (assuming that's still an option ?)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on June 10, 2020, 06:24:40 PM
TBH I don't know a lot about ifollow, as I've never used it, but I followed the link on the os.

It looks as though it's a Sky product that's sold to the EFL & then on to clubs who want to participate. I believe it's a streaming option for global fans who wouldn't be in a position to be at games. There is a caveat that if a game is being broadcast live on sky, then it's not available to UK viewers, but an audio only version is available.

The Birmingham home & the Brentford away games, (both to be broadcast live on sky) are listed as audio only for the general public.
STH's will be given an authorisation code so that they can view all games.

It looks as though the video version won't be available to non STH's if the game is to be broadcast live on sky.
https://www.efl.com/broadcast-schedule/

Looking at the iFollow page, that seems to be right. It says the next available match will be Sheff Wed away on 1st July. So unless you are a STH holder, it looks like you won't get pictures for the Blues or Brentford games with iFollow.
Something to be aware of if you purchase their monthly pass.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 11, 2020, 01:47:00 PM
When we are allowed back, will we still have to wear face masks? They will make it awkward to shout and cheer.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: mulliganstired on June 11, 2020, 03:16:23 PM
When we are allowed back, will we still have to wear face masks? They will make it awkward to shout and cheer.
Probably be OK for booing  ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tuamigos on June 12, 2020, 07:51:50 AM
I see the EFL have told the players to avoid spitting and cleaning their noses.
Good luck on that one, I think it's second nature to most of them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 12, 2020, 08:02:46 AM
I see the EFL have told the players to avoid spitting and cleaning their noses.
Good luck on that one, I think it's second nature to most of them.
Have to tuck a hankie in their knickers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 12, 2020, 04:24:52 PM
Apparently we beat Man u today 2-1 according to Steve Stone on the BBC and Pogba played!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 12, 2020, 04:51:36 PM
Just checked and the Tweet has now been pulled. So maybe he was hacked or as an MU reporter they did not want it out?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 12, 2020, 05:34:25 PM
Just checked and the Tweet has now been pulled. So maybe he was hacked or as an MU reporter they did not want it out?

It wasn't the BBC Simon Stone.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: GrumpyBaggie on June 12, 2020, 07:49:26 PM
Games broadcast on BBC Local Radio have always been blacked out to listeners on the internet (BBC Sounds).  Now that all games are behind closed doors anyone know if will still be the case - as obviously it would have no impact on gate money, though I suppose it might have an impact on Ifollow...
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on June 12, 2020, 09:18:15 PM
Hey grumpy,that's an excellent question mate, I'll wait with you for an answer.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on June 13, 2020, 01:11:52 PM
So the Derby, Blues and Brentford games are due to be covered live by Sky, with the clubs prepared to allow STH holders access to these games. But what about non-STH holders?  Being involved in the promotion race, you can bet they won't be the last games covered by Sky.

The previous arrangement has been that iFollow only provide sound commentary if its being covered by Sky. However, these are exceptional circumstances with non STHs not being able to attend games live, so you'd have hoped the clubs would have sorted out a better deal for these people. All they can do is take out iFollow Pass for those games not covered by Sky, plus a Sky subscription. A monthly pass for £18 is a good deal from iFollow, except when you realise maybe half the games, or more, won't be covered.
https://www.wba.co.uk/ifollow/subscribe/

I realise it costs money to provide all these services, but when you look at the eye watering sums being chucked about on furloughing, then I don't think its asking too much to help fans out in this situation. After all, if the games are not about entertainment for the fans, then why are we playing at all? 
 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 13, 2020, 02:30:14 PM
So the Derby, Blues and Brentford games are due to be covered live by Sky, with the clubs prepared to allow STH holders access to these games. But what about non-STH holders?  Being involved in the promotion race, you can bet they won't be the last games covered by Sky.

The previous arrangement has been that iFollow only provide sound commentary if its being covered by Sky. However, these are exceptional circumstances with non STHs not being able to attend games live, so you'd have hoped the clubs would have sorted out a better deal for these people. All they can do is take out iFollow Pass for those games not covered by Sky, plus a Sky subscription. A monthly pass for £18 is a good deal from iFollow, except when you realise maybe half the games, or more, won't be covered.
https://www.wba.co.uk/ifollow/subscribe/

I realise it costs money to provide all these services, but when you look at the eye watering sums being chucked about on furloughing, then I don't think its asking too much to help fans out in this situation. After all, if the games are not about entertainment for the fans, then why are we playing at all?

Money.

I don't believe the Sky matches will be available legally  ;) anywhere other than Sky Sports, with your provider of choice.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiejohn on June 13, 2020, 06:04:46 PM
Money.

I don't believe the Sky matches will be available legally  ;) anywhere other than Sky Sports, with your provider of choice.

Agree, sky sports day pass with now tv is £9.99 (slightly cheaper than ifollow)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: johnny Cash on June 13, 2020, 06:36:59 PM
Personally I’m going to buy the now tv month pass on the 17th. £33 I think and it’ll give me plenty of premier league matches,  and almost certainly 4 out ours with better quality than ifollow plus better commentary, build up etc. (I feel that they are bound to pick our game vs Fulham).

Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: alex1 on June 14, 2020, 10:00:09 PM
Money.
I don't believe the Sky matches will be available legally  ;) anywhere other than Sky Sports, with your provider of choice.

Yes. Money and Sky definitely belong in the same sentence. I've boycotted them up to now and don't propose starting in the next couple of weeks. Even if it means missing a few live moments.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 14, 2020, 11:18:54 PM
Yes. Money and Sky definitely belong in the same sentence. I've boycotted them up to now and don't propose starting in the next couple of weeks. Even if it means missing a few live moments.
I agree.
I would rather listen to the radio.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: MarkW on June 15, 2020, 03:15:07 PM
Of the 55 games that have been played in the Bundesliga so far, 28 have been away wins and only 11 have been home wins (according to my quick counting).

Could make for some interesting results if that pattern transfers across to the Championship
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: seteefeet on June 15, 2020, 03:18:44 PM
Of the 55 games that have been played in the Bundesliga so far, 28 have been away wins and only 11 have been home wins (according to my quick counting).

Could make for some interesting results if that pattern transfers across to the Championship
I haven't looked at the fixtures but does the pattern just favour the favourites? By that I mean, say 12th playing 6th would maybe be even money based on home advantage but with that negated the team in 6th wins more often despite being "away".
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 15, 2020, 03:23:58 PM
I haven't looked at the fixtures but does the pattern just favour the favourites? By that I mean, say 12th playing 6th would maybe be even money based on home advantage but with that negated the team in 6th wins more often despite being "away".

In a sample of 55 games (like you without looking) it would have evened itself out... over 50% away wins to my mind is well out of the usual range.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: seteefeet on June 15, 2020, 03:37:52 PM
In a sample of 55 games (like you without looking) it would have evened itself out... over 50% away wins to my mind is well out of the usual range.
That's what I mean. With home advantage negated the "better" team wins even more often, which is another stat that would be in our favour.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: ashdoy on June 15, 2020, 03:39:56 PM
sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere, just gone to sort my refund but it says £0.00 in the total? is this right? or am i doing something wrong...
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on June 15, 2020, 03:49:58 PM
That's what I mean. With home advantage negated the "better" team wins even more often, which is another stat that would be in our favour.

16 draws from 55 games,(30%) seems high to me as well
Anyone got a number for typical championship season
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: SmethDan on June 15, 2020, 04:38:58 PM
sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere, just gone to sort my refund but it says £0.00 in the total? is this right? or am i doing something wrong...

I couldn't do mine online earlier as the 'Events' box wouldn't allow me to click on it. Rang the ticket office, waited in a short call queue for a couple of minutes and they sorted it for me. The deadline for refunds is close of play tomorrow. Give 'em a bell on 0121 227 2227 if you haven't already done so. All of the best chap.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: MarkW on June 15, 2020, 04:45:16 PM
16 draws from 55 games,(30%) seems high to me as well
Anyone got a number for typical championship season

Last season there were 162 games drawn, which is about 29%

Edit:

Across the league last season, there were 240 home wins, 162 draws, and 150 away wins.

That equates to:

43% home win
27% away win
29% draw

With the 1% discrepancy due to rounding
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: baggiemart on June 15, 2020, 04:51:39 PM
Personally I’m going to buy the now tv month pass on the 17th. £33 I think and it’ll give me plenty of premier league matches,  and almost certainly 4 out ours with better quality than ifollow plus better commentary, build up etc. (I feel that they are bound to pick our game vs Fulham).


If you have sky TV but not skysports you can upgrade to all sky sports for £18 a month.  18 month contract but that should cover us for our 1 season in the premier !!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on June 15, 2020, 10:32:29 PM
Last season there were 162 games drawn, which is about 29%

Edit:

Across the league last season, there were 240 home wins, 162 draws, and 150 away wins.

That equates to:

43% home win
27% away win
29% draw

With the 1% discrepancy due to rounding

Thanks, so my thoughts were bunkum, that's not unusual
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: MarkW on June 16, 2020, 12:19:44 AM
Thanks, so my thoughts were bunkum, that's not unusual


Someone with more time on their hands than me could look at the Bundesliga and see if the change in home and away form of each team, and overall, was statistically significant.

Like Seteefeet says, it could be down to a random fluke of the fixture list, but over 55 games, as Jacko mentions, it's a large discrepancy.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: don1thedon on June 16, 2020, 12:25:00 PM
Someone with more time on their hands than me could look at the Bundesliga and see if the change in home and away form of each team, and overall, was statistically significant.

Like Seteefeet says, it could be down to a random fluke of the fixture list, but over 55 games, as Jacko mentions, it's a large discrepancy.

Copied from the "Points needed" post.
Analysis of the Bundesliga data certainly indicates a large swing against any home advantage.

I think this thread is probably the best place for this
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-england-bundesliga/premier-league-hosts-beware-german-data-shows-end-of-home-advantage-idUKKBN23M2DS
In very simple terms the stats seem to show that the perceived home advantage is not reflected in the reality of playing in front of an empty stadium with no home supporters to egg players on to put in the game changing efforts
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on June 16, 2020, 12:31:42 PM
given all teams have either 4 or 5 home games and 4 / 5 away, the advantage of any home /away bias is pretty minimal in my mind. It certainly isn't worth 6 points  ;D :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2020, 12:36:46 PM
given all teams have either 4 or 5 home games and 4 / 5 away, the advantage of any home /away bias is pretty minimal in my mind. It certainly isn't worth 6 points  ;D :D

We might see different performances from players who seem to fall short infront of big crowds.
How many times have you heard how good players are in training and then turn out to be pants on the pitch?
Could see players you never expected to turn up actually turn it on.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: KN22 on June 16, 2020, 12:41:11 PM
I also suspect that there will be more big margin wins than is the norm. May be proven wrong but I think some teams will be fitter and better prepared, resulting in some thrashings. Will be interesting to see.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Albionic on June 17, 2020, 09:01:31 PM
Brentford confirm that 1 of theirs have tested positive. No detail of who, the affected individual will self isolate (miss Fulham game)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: BalisPen on June 25, 2020, 02:21:13 PM
Who was it that hot weather would not be an issue?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: MarkW on June 29, 2020, 02:31:38 PM
Last season there were 162 games drawn, which is about 29%

Edit:

Across the league last season, there were 240 home wins, 162 draws, and 150 away wins.

That equates to:

43% home win
27% away win
29% draw

With the 1% discrepancy due to rounding

Just to bring this back, I believe that so far we have had 8 home wins, 10 away wins, and 6 draws since the resumption of play.

That equates to

33% home win
42% away win
25% draw

Very interesting
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 02, 2020, 07:13:50 PM
Haven't seen this mentioned on site, if it has been my apologies. We will receive £8m less prize/TV money if promoted as part of the PL TV deal rebate measures.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: AlbionFan on July 02, 2020, 07:22:27 PM
Haven't seen this mentioned on site, if it has been my apologies. We will receive £8m less prize/TV money if promoted as part of the PL TV deal rebate measures.

Parachute payments will also be affected
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: lewisant on July 03, 2020, 09:05:55 AM
Shame but we're well equipped for this...i think?!
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: liverbaggie on July 03, 2020, 10:23:30 AM
Bad news for Witton rovers then as relegation looms for them
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 03, 2020, 10:30:20 AM
Bad news for Witton rovers then as relegation looms for them
I thought they were called Wanderers, which should be Wonderers, because they haven't a clue.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: wbarenno on July 11, 2020, 10:24:26 AM
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2020/jul/09/banning-away-support-being-considered-to-get-fans-into-grounds-next-season?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: dangerman on July 17, 2020, 07:35:03 PM
Why did we vote to restart the season?  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: gazberg on July 29, 2020, 04:20:09 PM
Estimated that Covid19 cost us £3.7 m in lost revenue through food/drink/matchday attendance etc etc

From a PDF file compiled by Business Rescue Expert.

They reckon Man City lost out the most with around 24m in revenue lost.

Not sure how to get the image on here or i'd upload it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Thread - Games resuming 20 June - CLUB RELATED ONLY
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 29, 2020, 04:36:22 PM
Estimated that Covid19 cost us £3.7 m in lost revenue through food/drink/matchday attendance etc etc

From a PDF file compiled by Business Rescue Expert.

They reckon Man City lost out the most with around 24m in revenue lost.

Not sure how to get the image on here or i'd upload it.

Important to remember revenue is turnover and not profit. Seems like a lot of money, but the club wouldn't have benefitted greatly from those 5 home matches.
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Post by: gazberg on July 29, 2020, 04:42:35 PM
Spot on mate that is why i did say revenue, just found it interesting personally. Would love to know how they come up with this data.
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Post by: KN22 on July 29, 2020, 04:43:05 PM
Important to remember revenue is turnover and not profit. Seems like a lot of money, but the club wouldn't have benefitted greatly from those 5 home matches.

A very valid point. There would however be profit on that turnover figure and I would estimate that to be in excess of £400k. There must be at least 10 per cent for the club.
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Post by: BB74 on July 29, 2020, 04:46:58 PM
Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity  ;D
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Post by: KN22 on July 29, 2020, 05:19:47 PM
Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity  ;D

Had I used to work with you? ;D In a previous role the finance director said that very thing to me almost daily!
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Post by: liverbaggie on July 29, 2020, 05:39:51 PM
And no profit is insanity