[BoingFlyer]

Interesting both our goals have come from full backs pushing up and crossing to the opposite winger, clearly something from the training field. Keep up the good work!

Hit the post 4 times in two games and missed some great chances.

Clearly he knows nothing.

[TheBrom]

Can honestly see why Pulis used to double up the wide midfielders with our full backs. We haven't had a decent ones for seasons now. Clearly the whole defence is not getting a great deal of coaching at the moment, they look all over the place.

We desperately need to switch up our formation and also provide the link between midfield and strikers. Gayle looked lively tonight but we need to make sure he gets the service.

[baggie82]

Not many teams will get points at forest, the Bolton game was a freak game, like when we beat Man U, Liverpool etc. The football is better, we need a better left winger so we can stick Barnes in the middle. The signs are there, give it time.

Seems very optimistic. I think we have the tools in the squad to get into the top six and enough options this window to plug some of the holes but I don't have a lot of faith in Moore & co to get it right. Not sure he is ruthless enough. Brunt seems to be playing central midfield on reputation in the dressing room, certainly not form or merit. Why no Harper? Very negative stuff tonight.

[65baggie]

The quality of our players has got him out of jail tonight. Again the team selection was wrong and the substitutions (or lack of) were awful. There's no game plan at all and tonight was embarrassing at times. Needs to learn very very quickly or he needs replacing.

The fact we had Dean Smith on a plate makes me want to cry.

Are you for real
It’s a learning curve
New No 2 as well
Look at it after 10-12 games

[beechyboy90]

Not many teams will get points at forest, the Bolton game was a freak game, like when we beat Man U, Liverpool etc. The football is better, we need a better left winger so we can stick Barnes in the middle. The signs are there, give it time.

Brunt left side get a decent cm 2 problems fixed in one go

[BoingFlyer]

Seems very optimistic. I think we have the tools in the squad to get into the top six and enough options this window to plug some of the holes but I don't have a lot of faith in Moore & co to get it right. Not sure he is ruthless enough. Brunt seems to be playing central midfield on reputation in the dressing room, certainly not form or merit. Why no Harper? Very negative stuff tonight.

I shared those thoughts as well until he got rid of whole goalkeeping department and rebuilt it. Froze out all players who did not want to play for us or sold the rest. Let go players many wanted to keep.

Makes me think Rondon was deliberately dropped to show how weak we would be without another striker in the team to replace him.

Always ask your self the opposite, what could he of done to be more ruthless that would of benefited the club?

[baggie82]

Are you for real
It’s a learning curve
New No 2 as well
Look at it after 10-12 games

We haven't got time for a learning curve. We should be pushing in and around the top six, either Moore is good enough or he's not. He's not entitled to learn his trade and score up a season whilst our parachute money runs dry. Not saying sack him, but he hasn't got a free pass for 10-12 games either. Every game in this division we should be looking to win.

[baggie96]

Brunt left side get a decent cm 2 problems fixed in one go

Would prefer someone quicker, maybe ojo would be a good option after all. Need to bin Chadli if he doesn’t want to be here asap

[Albion79]

Its only two games into the new season and far too early for any rash decisions but that doesnt mean there cant be concerns.

We have played two very different opposition and struggled against both, against Bolton we had all the ball and did little with it, against Forest we had the chance to play on the counter but were slow and ponderous it was never an option and instead we resorted to hoofing it (bar the last 5 minutes)

Don Goodman said he couldnt see what Albions style or system was or what they were trying to do and i totally agree with him, said the same Saturday. Its not the finished article i expect to see but something towards what identity we want to have, i saw the friendly vs Coventry and was very positive (abeit it was a friendly) yet the two leagues games just seem to be carbon copies of most of the last two seasons.

It makes me wonder what the six weeks of preseason were spent doing if the last two games are the outcome, its still early days but watching Leeds on Sunday you could see what they were trying to do, it may go t**s up for them but you could see something, the same went with Derby second half vs Reading, Swansea the same they all have the same issues we have and brought in new players and manager  the same time yet you could see what they were trying to do, even if they werent great at it, i cant actually see what we are trying to do so far.

I have now seen 11 championship teams and we are the worst by far with Stoke the second worst, again its still early though.

I saw Big Daves interview and that worried me, i am hoping he said one thing to the cameras and something different to the players but he seemed happy with the game plan and it seemed we setup for a draw. David Johnson the pundit seemed genuinely shocked and said we should be going to Forest with the players we have, also last season from the league above, taking the game to them, winning and laying down a marker, instead it feels like we are happy to of got lucky with a point.

Again i am hoping this setup / performance was just to get points on board and build from there but i have my doubts. I like to give managers a fair crack but i think a good time to judge Big Dave will be 8-10 games, speaking as a fan i dont expect us to be winning the league, or even be top half but if when watching you could see we are trying to build something, even if it takes time then i will be happy, but what i dont want is another season like the last 2 or 3, especially this season where even with a relegated team, we should have stronger players.

I was told by a very good source that Moore wanted to keep most of last seasons squad if he could, so his managerial career at Albion will succeed or fail on that, its his choice to keep that group.

[maccbaggie]

Its only two games into the new season and far too early for any rash decisions but that doesnt mean there cant be concerns.

We have played two very different opposition and struggled against both, against Bolton we had all the ball and did little with it, against Forest we had the chance to play on the counter but were slow and ponderous it was never an option and instead we resorted to hoofing it (bar the last 5 minutes)

Don Goodman said he couldnt see what Albions style or system was or what they were trying to do and i totally agree with him, said the same Saturday. Its not the finished article i expect to see but something towards what identity we want to have, i saw the friendly vs Coventry and was very positive (abeit it was a friendly) yet the two leagues games just seem to be carbon copies of most of the last two seasons.

It makes me wonder what the six weeks of preseason were spent doing if the last two games are the outcome, its still early days but watching Leeds on Sunday you could see what they were trying to do, it may go t**s up for them but you could see something, the same went with Derby second half vs Reading, Swansea the same they all have the same issues we have and brought in new players and manager  the same time yet you could see what they were trying to do, even if they werent great at it, i cant actually see what we are trying to do so far.

I have now seen 11 championship teams and we are the worst by far with Stoke the second worst, again its still early though.

I saw Big Daves interview and that worried me, i am hoping he said one thing to the cameras and something different to the players but he seemed happy with the game plan and it seemed we setup for a draw. David Johnson the pundit seemed genuinely shocked and said we should be going to Forest with the players we have, also last season from the league above, taking the game to them, winning and laying down a marker, instead it feels like we are happy to of got lucky with a point.

Again i am hoping this setup / performance was just to get points on board and build from there but i have my doubts. I like to give managers a fair crack but i think a good time to judge Big Dave will be 8-10 games, speaking as a fan i dont expect us to be winning the league, or even be top half but if when watching you could see we are trying to build something, even if it takes time then i will be happy, but what i dont want is another season like the last 2 or 3, especially this season where even with a relegated team, we should have stronger players.

I was told by a very good source that Moore wanted to keep most of last seasons squad if he could, so his managerial career at Albion will succeed or fail on that, its his choice to keep that group.

I read that somewhere too. If that's true, he should be sacked for that alone/should never have been appointed in the first place. Shows a complete lack of judgement, and naive loyalty to the detriment of our promotion hopes.

[kamarasboot]

We haven't got time for a learning curve. We should be pushing in and around the top six, either Moore is good enough or he's not. He's not entitled to learn his trade and score up a season whilst our parachute money runs dry. Not saying sack him, but he hasn't got a free pass for 10-12 games either. Every game in this division we should be looking to win.

Exactly this.

You’re either happy to give Moore 10-12 games to learn or you’re not, For me if you’re happy for that to happen then I don’t think you can pass comment on performance or results until that time has passed.

The problem is the season could be gone by then. The championship is not a league you can learn in if your aim is to get promoted.

[liverbaggie]

Look we lost at home by one goal late on,we've just drawn away at forest who've spent big.
If Phillips is playing well pop him in the 10 role just behind Gayle who looks like the answer to our prayers up front and replace Phillips position.

[Fritzl Palace]

Look we lost at home by one goal late on,we've just drawn away at forest who've spent big.
If Phillips is playing well pop him in the 10 role just behind Gayle who looks like the answer to our prayers up front and replace Phillips position.

Thank you for your brilliant insight as ever...

[frazzle]

Gotto admit to being a bit worried. I agreed with Don Goodman on the point about it not being clear what our gameplan is, and the comment from Moore about setting out to stifle does worry me.

Its still very, very early though. We need to get to the Norwich game, with our squad largely settled, and two games to learn from, and take it from there. Our defence on the whole looked better than Saturday. Jones is now in to help guide Moore, and Jones' specialism is in attack where we need it most. On that basis I still hold out hope.

But for the post we would have 4 points. 

[Topman]

For me the comments from David Johnson spoke volumes. He was shocked that our tactics were to soak up away from home with the quality we have. Early days but there is much to be concerned about with Moore. I said I would back him and I will but this needs to improve and quickly. He must sort out the middle of the park as a matter of urgency.

[Standaman]

It is two games in and Darren needs to go back to the drawing board. Tonight we needed to play further up the pitch as a unit.  I thought there were some glaringly obvious round pegs in square holes some of which were entirely avoidable. I cannot see the 4-4-2 or it's near cousin 4-4-1-1 working with this group of players and I am really concerned that Moore seems to be sticking with Brunt in Central midfield when it is plainly not working, this might be due to a lack of alternatives but it needs to be rethought.

I am trying very hard not to rush to judgement but I hope things evolve somewhat and also players settle down and start to focus once the window closes.
 

[Westie]

I think Darren Moore is a great bloke but he did not come across well in his interview, sad.

[graka]

Tactically inept for me
And we are still playing square pegs!!
Also 2 games in 4 days and he doesn't use the bench
If he can't see that central midfield is atrocious he needs sacking now

[charlebaggie]

I think Darren Moore is a great bloke but he did not come across well in his interview, sad.

.  I agree with your post.Ive been one of DM's adversaries but on that interview after the game. Well! I'm sorry Darren it's got to better than that.

[CL3MO]

Anybody else worried about that post-match interview?

Moore on the game. "You're always pleased to get off the mark. For a neutral it was a good game... This will be a difficult place for visiting teams to come. We had to be smart and shut the game down, we managed the occasion very well." (1/2)

Moore: "We stifled them and then we get a sucker punch with the goal that took a deflection. The response by the players was excellent... We need to adapt to this league. There were slight signs today, but we're nowhere near the finished article." (2/2)

The bits in bold make me shudder. WE should be the team that others look to stifle. Fans have not bought their season tickets in their droves and become extremely excited about what the season holds to watch a team, full of talent, to 'stifle' other teams. Be 'respectful', at times, yes, but not stifle.

I love Big Dave but am I worried about his plans for the team this season? Yes.

[WorcsWBA]

Anybody else worried about that post-match interview?

Moore on the game. "You're always pleased to get off the mark. For a neutral it was a good game... This will be a difficult place for visiting teams to come. We had to be smart and shut the game down, we managed the occasion very well." (1/2)

Moore: "We stifled them and then we get a sucker punch with the goal that took a deflection. The response by the players was excellent... We need to adapt to this league. There were slight signs today, but we're nowhere near the finished article." (2/2)

The bits in bold make me shudder. WE should be the team that others look to stifle. Fans have not bought their season tickets in their droves and become extremely excited about what the season holds to watch a team, full of talent, to 'stifle' other teams. Be 'respectful', at times, yes, but not stifle.

I agree regarding your concerns about us setting up to do this, but we didn't stifle them and they had us on the back foot for long periods. When Darren was appointed, I thought the days of hearing our managers giving rose-tinted post-match interviews had gone, but it sadly appears not.

[alex1]

Darren is a respectful man, but he's over doing the praise for the likes of Bolton and Forest. I can see him doing that to every team in the league. We have come from the Prem league, playing the likes of Man U and Spurs, have the greater resources and we should be setting out to win all our games at this level, home and away.
I'm afraid on the evidence of the last 2 games, we are at nowher like the level we should be. There's a helluva lot of work to do on the training ground. 

[TheJacko2000]

The first 5 or 6 games will be a grind, anyone who thought he would transform us into some Barca like machine in 3 months needs a reality check. I've watched every live game available and we look by far the most threatening team in the division going forward. The defence is a shambles with Hegazi and Gibbs being badly let down by Bartley and both right backs that have played. Johnstone was better tonight than Saturday but is still rooted to his line. I feel Livermore is the problem with the central midfield as opposed to Brunt but that's just me. Morrison looked short of sharpness but showed some clever touches. Phillips has been excellent and Barnes was excellent on Saturday but poor tonight (awful miss too). Rodriguez and HRK are not interested and not good enough respectively. Rodriguez should have buried those chances tonight especially the 2nd one. Gayle looked lively and displayed a much better touch than I was expecting, he also should have scored tonight.


All in all the negativity towards Moore at such an early stage is totally over the top. We need the window to shut so he knows what he's got to work with, we need Field fit imo to replace Livermore and we need to sell and replace Rodriguez. Dawson coming back into the fold (strictly as a centre back) would be great also. Give the coaching team a bit of time to work together Moore, Jones, Shan and Cutler and lets see what happens.


#WeNotMe

[Droitwich Baggie]

Wanted him, but now..thank you and good night.

[TheJacko2000]

Wanted him, but now..thank you and good night.

Incredible.