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West Bromwich Albion FC Forums => West Bromwich Albion FC => Topic started by: Norfolk Baggie on March 05, 2012, 08:52:33 PM
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I know that we are used to not getting much by way of balanced media coverage, but I feel a need to comment on my daily paper the Times. Within its Monday football round up it has a whole double page devoted to AVB's sacking and a column devoted to the match. Within this paragraph it mentions in one sentence that Macaulay scored for Albion. How poor is this? We played an outstanding match showing real grit and determination and we deserved a whole lot more than a sentence. Similarly, I note on MOTD it looked like we flooked a win, whereas the match I watched saw us dominant in the second half, and giving as good as we got in the first. Still as I say should be used to it by now!
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I don't think we will ever be a 'fashionable' club to the media, I'd rather stay that way to be honest rather than having stories about us in the back pages all the time.
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We had three papers Sunday (trying the Sunday Sun while its cheap).
The People had the match dominated by Chelsea, with plucky Albion summoning up a good twenty minutes near the end.
The Sun had a match which was about even, with our worst player, Liam Ridgewell, getting 5/10 and being called a 'defensive liability'.
The Mirror had the best report, giving what I saw as an accurate summary of the match (us on top for the most, but Chelsea still having a fair few chances), and gave Ridgewell 8/10, calling him our star man. They spoilt this by calling our #3 Martin Olsson, who plays for Blackburn.
I'd sooner be ignored tbh, at least that way our players won't get too much praise and we might be able to hang onto them for longer.
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Keeps away the plastic crowd.
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The most honest report I have seen in the media is from AVB himself.
He said we were a better team on the day and gave an honest appraisal of Chelsea's performance.
A comment like that from a manager is hard for the media to ignore. Even if they want to!
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MOTD was a disgrace! The coverage showed more Chelsea than us and we appeared to be lucky to get a goal, but then they showed two or three of our attacking plays in the analysis that weren't even in the highlights!
Some things never change, it's been like this for years! Even if we were challenging for champions league we would be ignored because of the london/ north west bias.
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MOTD was a disgrace!
I'm pretty sure there's already a thread on the MOTD coverage in the matchday sub forum. If you want good coverage on all things baggie, the only one i enjoy are the Birmingham post/mail. Both only cover the midland teams though so....... yeah. ::)
Accutually, try a site called newsnow.co.uk it shows most if not all articles on the albion and all other teams and other articles of news. It is also renewed every 5 minutes so is pretty good and current. Try it! :D
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Football/Premier+League/West+Brom
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Accutually, try a site called newsnow.co.uk it shows most if not all articles on the albion and all other teams and other articles of news. It is also renewed every 5 minutes so is pretty good and current. Try it! :D
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Football/Premier+League/West+Brom
Hunnington, Let me second that, newsnow is a great site for up to the minute articles on Albion. Any articles written which are related to Albion in any way are posted on this site. Also it does not only post Albion related articles from the English press but from all over the world. As a native American Albion fan it's been a really great way for me to keep up on the latest news, interviews, transfer rumors and other odd info regarding the Albion. A great site which also has a mobile version for your phone which makes it all that much easier to check up on the latest Albion news wherever you may be!!
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I'm afraid its been like this as long as I have followed the Albion. I've got used to poor reporting in national media but with MOTD it still gets on my nerves!
We all though can stick our 2 fingers up at them and let them continue their sordid love affair with the London teams (in which I include MU in this). F*ck em all! >:(
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There's a link to Newsnow on this site. Just go to 'Click here for the latest Baggies news updated every 5 minutes' on the home page.
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Why is everyone so surprised?
Everything north of Arsenal and south of Manchester is a football back water
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We had three papers Sunday (trying the Sunday Sun while its cheap).
The People had the match dominated by Chelsea, with plucky Albion summoning up a good twenty minutes near the end.
The Sun had a match which was about even, with our worst player, Liam Ridgewell, getting 5/10 and being called a 'defensive liability'.
The Mirror had the best report, giving what I saw as an accurate summary of the match (us on top for the most, but Chelsea still having a fair few chances), and gave Ridgewell 8/10, calling him our star man. They spoilt this by calling our #3 Martin Olsson, who plays for Blackburn.
I'd sooner be ignored tbh, at least that way our players won't get too much praise and we might be able to hang onto them for longer.
i read that in the sun i said to my mrs they must be at a different game to the one i am at! as for chelsea dominating the match. joke!!
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MOTD was a disgrace! The coverage showed more Chelsea than us and we appeared to be lucky to get a goal, but then they showed two or three of our attacking plays in the analysis that weren't even in the highlights!
Absolutely no surprise baggyman MOTD is the most editorially biased sports programme made. Par for the course from the BBC. Just remind me who pays for the service! That said this weekends effort surpassed all that and was laughable. Not only didnt they show two Brunt efforts in real time as mentioned but they completely ignored a good Andrews effort in the second half and mulumbu's excellent turn and break in to the box in the first half to mention just two more. What we should remember is this is one reason why we go and watch it LIVE and we should encourage other borderline fans who perhaps stay away to forget the TV and come to the games and enjoy the only REAL way to watch the best game on the planet.
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I listen to TALK-SPORT each morning and all they talk about are the top four teams. Brazil and Irani talk over each other and over any other voice that crops up. On Monday they spoKe about the Chelsea manager getting sacked but there was hardly any mention about WBA.
Having won our last 3 matches, two against strong opposition, you would think we would be something different to talk about.
I think both men seem to have limited ability to search for something other than the usual topics that are easy to find.
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i'm not overly bothered if we don't get coverage as long as i can watch football first and read this site, however, i was very proud of the win so i bought a couple of papers on monday just wanting to revel in it a bit more. The guardian had three pages on AVB and it barely mentioned the game let alone that we won i was gutted because it cost me £1.20!
I think it's terrible that journalists are allowed to get away with such shoddy reporting, as somebody who studied journalism and wanted to be a sports journalist i think its a damn right disgrace that journalists should get players names wrong and report games that they clearly weren't at. Makes me mad cuzits a hard trade to get into
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To me this just highlights the power wielded by people in the media in general, and their ability to manipulate feeble minds! Believe half of what you hear and none of what you read...or something like that.
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Why is everyone so surprised?
Everything north of Arsenal and south of Manchester is a football back water
this is because manchester/liverpool and london is where all the silver ware usualy ends up.
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I saw that Times page as well, and commented on it the people in the room, with a few expletives as well...
Also recently:
One commentator who kept getting Mulumbu and Fortune mixed up, even though they were generally about thirty yards away from each other
One who called Thomas "Jerome" several times, obviously thinking of Cameron Jerome, then trying to cover it up by saying "I'm sure he wouldn't mind me calling him by his first name..."
One commentator on Saturday saying "Cole was the best player in blue and white" as if they weren't the away team in some horrible grey strip.
::)
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I listen to TALK-SPORT each morning and all they talk about are the top four teams. Brazil and Irani talk over each other and over any other voice that crops up. On Monday they spoKe about the Chelsea manager getting sacked but there was hardly any mention about WBA.
Having won our last 3 matches, two against strong opposition, you would think we would be something different to talk about.
I think both men seem to have limited ability to search for something other than the usual topics that are easy to find.
It's simply targetting their audience, it's not a bias against us it's them understanding who their listeners are. There are going to be more top 4 clubs fans listening then the likes of us Norwich Swansea etc.
MOTD is the same, they give the people the stories that the 'majority' want to read/see about i.e. AVB and his sacking is a bigger story than us beating Chelsea to the majority of football fans, not to us obviously. I rarely watch MOTD, it can't even be compared with the analysis of Goals on Sunday, much more indepth and gives a better reflection.
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Given up expecting anything, so not disappointed when I see the rubbish they write such as Ridgewell 5/10, defensive liability!
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I think the only media coverage last weekend that stopped to praise our performance and recent run was Goals on Sunday, its a bit of running thing the lack of credit but its something we'll have to get used to if we do stay in mid table for a few seasons.
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Apart from the aforementioned Goals on Sunday, ive given up getting worked up about media coverage now. After AVB was sacked, it was always going to be all about AVB.
It has been frustrating these last few weeks getting hardly any praise for our quite incredible run (joint third in the league on form with Arsenal and Fulham), but it isnt surprising.
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I buy the i paper regularly and they usually give us a decent report. Mondays was full of AVB's sacking though; which to be fair is a bigger news story than us beating them 1-0. they gave foster, pete and thomas6/10 everyone else7/10 apart from Mulumbu who got 8/10...chelsea were mostly6/10 apart from lampard and sturridge who got 5/10 and cole and cech who got 7/10.
they also said " the second half was an especially sad epitaph to the AVB reign. Albion might have scored more than than Gareth McAualey's late goal"
On a slightly different note has anyone noticed that they now have one of Pete's goals against Wolves in the opening credits to MOTD...I was gobsmacked when I saw it on Saturday night.
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On a slightly different note has anyone noticed that they now have one of Pete's goals against Wolves in the opening credits to MOTD...I was gobsmacked when I saw it on Saturday night.
I think that's because the wolves player in the clip is out on loan and not in the prem at the mo. I like the fact they chose us to replace though, hopefully rankled with the dingles
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Maybe we can put the cat amongst the pigeons by beating Man Utd on Sunday. Imagine the comments - poor man u performance, Europe on Thursday obviously had an impact.....blah blah blah. >:(
Come on the Baggies
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The national media are only interested in 6 or 7 clubs. I get sick to the back teeth about the endless discussions on Liverpool and Arsenal. They are only going to start taking more notice of Albion when they start taking points off one of their favourites, so Chelsea was a good start. They couldn't care less if we beat stoke. Even then, I tuned into listen to Hawksby and Jacobs on Talksport on Monday as Jacobs can't stop babbling about Chelsea even when they're talking about some completly different club. Would you believe it, he wasn't in on Monday!
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This months fourfourtwo magazine has a section where each of the 92 league clubs name their best of worst "foreign" player. Each club then had a pic, of either the best or worst player, for example Fulham have Dempsey and next to it is a picture of Clint.
Albions best was voted as Richard Sneekes
the picture was of Jonas Olsson (to make it worse the picture is taken from this season)
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All national coverage is written in terms of the 6 or 7 top clubs. So when Albion beat Chelsea it is written from a "Chelsea lose" perspective and the comment is made in the context of what is currently happening at Chelsea. The bias is based on the perception that their audience is more interested in Chelsea than WBA. Whilst this might be regrettable it probably true , most casual followers of the game are probably more interested in Chelsea than us. Equally if you read the Birmingham Mail it knows its readership so it will write a report that goes along the lines "Baggies beat Chelsea".
That said there is no excuse for sloppy and inaccurate journalism, but this is too often the norm. Events that we witnessed on Saturday have only a passing semblance to what was reported in various tabloids. Simple solution don't buy the useless rags and if you do remember if they can misreport a football match they can be equally inaccurate elsewhere, personally I would check the date at the top of the page and be really sceptical about every other word in most tabloids.
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All national coverage is written in terms of the 6 or 7 top clubs. So when Albion beat Chelsea it is written from a "Chelsea lose" perspective and the comment is made in the context of what is currently happening at Chelsea. The bias is based on the perception that their audience is more interested in Chelsea than WBA. Whilst this might be regrettable it probably true , most casual followers of the game are probably more interested in Chelsea than us. Equally if you read the Birmingham Mail it knows its readership so it will write a report that goes along the lines "Baggies beat Chelsea".
That said there is no excuse for sloppy and inaccurate journalism, but this is too often the norm. Events that we witnessed on Saturday have only a passing semblance to what was reported in various tabloids. Simple solution don't buy the useless rags and if you do remember if they can misreport a football match they can be equally inaccurate elsewhere, personally I would check the date at the top of the page and be really sceptical about every other word in most tabloids.
Agree totally regarding the red top national press. overall most of it is complete rubbish and a waste of 30p. however when it comes to the BBC and MOTD i personally think it scandalous the bias which they regularly portray to anyone outside the top 6. We all pay our TV licence (or should do) and therefore we should have a right to expect our club to be given a fair representation after all that is supposedly what the Beeb stand for! We all know that not to be the case and that like all broadcasters they are only interested in ratings so scrap the licence and bow to the advertisers! then we can all be happy.
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Ask yourself when was the last time MOTD showed a match first that didnt include one of the top 6 as the main match.......................answer...............NEVER.
Even when it comes to the end of the season when 9 times out of ten the champions have already been crowned, a meaningless Man U or Chelsea game goes on first when EVERYONE knows the exciting matches are around the relegation zone which "usually" these days goes down to the wire !
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Umm. Wolves v Newcastle was first on a couple of weeks ago I think.
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According to the Observer today, Foster made a great save from Gareth McAuley near the end...
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Ask yourself when was the last time MOTD showed a match first that didnt include one of the top 6 as the main match.......................answer...............NEVER.
Umm. Wolves v Newcastle was first on a couple of weeks ago I think.
Newcastle are top six ;)
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According to the Observer today, Foster made a great save from Gareth McAuley near the end...
aren't they referring to the cross McAuley deflected into the post which Foster looked to have possibly tipped onto the post?
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According to the Observer today, Foster made a great save from Gareth McAuley near the end...
He did ;) ;D
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I don't think we will ever be a 'fashionable' club to the media, I'd rather stay that way to be honest rather than having stories about us in the back pages all the time.
I'm glad we're not fashionable; the fact that the Baggies are considered a little weird and quirky suits me fine...
We are unique and will remain thus...
BOING BOING ;D
Albion til I die :D
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The most honest report I have seen in the media is from AVB himself.
He said we were a better team on the day and gave an honest appraisal of Chelsea's performance.
A comment like that from a manager is hard for the media to ignore. Even if they want to!
To be honest, I think he knew very well he was for the chop the next day.
Had we beaten them, with Chelsea being top of the table, his job secure, I very much doubt he'd have been making the same sort of complimentary comments.
We did very well that day, no doubt, we were the better side that game, but he very clearly purposely overstated our performance.
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I think we got a fair bit of praise under RDM and look at Swansea now, all the plaudits they are getting. Swansea are often talked about in the media and they are certainly no bigger club than us.
We're never going to get the coverage of the bigger clubs, but right now I just think we don't really stick out. We're not particularly bad in any departments or excelling elsewhere. In a way that's a good thing.
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Anyway, is the media geared/bias toward the bigger clubs? Yes, I'd say quite clearly and no other club more so than Manchester United.
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It can also work to Albion's advantage. We're always being underestimated by so-called big clubs, who sometimes go into matches thinking they only need to turn up. Living in the South, nothing gives me greater pleasure than seeing the shocked looks from fans of so-called big clubs after Albion have taken points off them.
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Stan Collymore was bigging us up big time on Talksport the other day so fair play to him. :)
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Stan Collymore was bigging us up big time on Talksport the other day so fair play to him. :)
Well, thats a first, are you sure :o
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I believe it is a good situation that the media dont bother with us, we have some good players which are under the radar and this helps retain our players, an example this season would be Morrison he has been (in my opinion) in wonderful form if say he was playing for a so called top team he would of been under constant transfer speculation.
Yes I agree that it is bl**dy frustrating after watching us play well and win and buying papers searching on internet for comments on our good result/display.
But my gut feeling this only helps us continue to improve and surprise other teams and their fans
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At the end of last season one of the broadsheets, Times or Telegraph can't remember which, had a centre-spread by Gary Lineker, entitled "Review of the Season". No club outside the top six got a mention at all. Nothing even about the last day relegation battle for example. So its not just us.
Like many of you have said, in a lot of ways I'm happiest when we're being ignored. I also like to check Lawro's predictions, and hope he predicts us to lose. Always feels as if we have more of a chance!
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FANTASTIC NEWS!!!!!!! FIRST on MOTD2 tonight, finally the BBC realising what a big attraction we are ::) :o
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just stop moaning about the the media because without a miracle it ain't going to change, if you want big spreads in the paper about your team, players,etc everyday go support man utd,chelsea or one of the other big teams.
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I think I'll moan about what i want, thank you! ::)
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I think I'll moan about what i want, thank you! ::)
probably got nowt better to do
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Is it my imagination but when we are in the sole Prem match on MOTD, it is usually bad news for us. Like when we are on Sky we seem to get beaten. And this evening we had 2 ex-Newcastle players on the panel to provide their unbiased views.
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Coming back to the Times, this morning there was a full double spread noting how awful we were and how Hodgson had blotted his copybook for the England Manager's job. In truth we were pretty awful, but we certainly get more coverage when we play badly than when we play well...