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West Bromwich Albion v Sheffield Wednesday
Saturday 29th December 2018 15.00m
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West Bromwich Albion v Sheffield Wednesday
Saturday 29th December 2018 15.00pm
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West Bromwich Albion v Sheffield Wednesday
Saturday 29th December 2018 15.00pm
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West Bromwich Albion v Sheffield Wednesday
Saturday 29th December 2018 15.00pm
PRICES
Allocation:
£20/£23 Adults, £15/£17 Senior 65, £15 Students + & U23, £10 U18, £5 U11, £10 Disabled
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East Stand 1,194
Brummie Road 1,011
West Stand 238
Smethwick Sold out
2,243 remaining.
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Referee: Andy Davies
Assistant Referee: Paul Hodskinson
Assistant Referee: Daniel Leach
Fourth Official: Stephen Martin
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East Stand 948
Brummie Road 923
West Stand 198
Smethwick Sold Out
2,069 Remaining.
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East Stand 874
Brummie Road 865
West Stand 171
Smethwick Sold Out
Remaining: 1,910
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East Stand 677
Brummie Road 712
West Stand 139
Smethwick Sold Out
Remaining: 1,528
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Sheffield Wednesday have sold out , 2,737 allocation
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East Stand 559
Brummie Road 599
West Stand 108
Remaining: 1,266
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East Stand 454
Brummie Road 539
West Stand 96
Smethwick Sold Out
Remaining: 1,089
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East Stand 454
Brummie Road 539
West Stand 96
Smethwick Sold Out
Remaining: 1,089
Just snapped up mine as unable to make the game on Boxing Day. Not much a selection of good seats left but great to see the ground getting packed out again. Should be a good atmosphere with Wednesday selling out.
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East Stand 194
Brummie Road 304
West Stand 53
Smethwick Sold Out
Remaining: 551
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With Norwich playing derby county another win here could possibly see us draw level with or pass them in the table.
Gayle going off injured huge blow. If he has strained his muscle even slightly he shouldn't be risked in this game or the cup match. I would like to see sako given a chance in the wing forward role. But of late HRK has played well so wouldn't begrudge him playing either.
Stick with the midfield 3. Wonder if Hegazi will get rested as he was struggling at the end?
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Restricted view tickets in Brummie Road already put on sale for this game which is somewhat unusual they usually do that at the last minute.
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If anyone has 2 together. Preferably adult & child but would pay extra for 2 adults then please PM me. Thanks.
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Can see a couple of changes here, e.g. maybe Morrison to start, keep Barry for Blackburn.
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Morning update:
East Stand 34
Brummie Road 97
West Stand Sold Out
Smethwick Sold Out
Remaining: 131
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Now is the time to make a couple of changes in my non expert opinion. Gibbs seemed to have a knock on Wednesday, I'd give him a rest. It's either Townsend or Brunt to replace him. Personally I expect we may have quite a bit of the ball so I'd choose Brunt's delivery over Townsend's endeavour. Barry can have a rest too, I'd bring in Mozza for this one. HRK will play because Gayle is out. Those changes hopefully we will be able to cope with.
Johnstone
Adarabioyo Dawson Hegazi Brunt
Phillips Livermore Morrison
Robson-Kanu Rodriguez Barnes
Subs: Myhill, Gibbs, Mears, Barry, Harper, Sako, Burke
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Moore does need to be able to make a couple of changes while we are winning to keep things fresh, not wait for things to happen, even maybe give Field a start.
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If Gayle is injured then either bring in Morrison and push Phillips further forward or swap him for Sako. No HRK please, he had his good game against Leeds and has been back to pub league standard since.
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If Gayle is injured then either bring in Morrison and push Phillips further forward or swap him for Sako. No HRK please, he had his good game against Leeds and has been back to pub league standard since.
1st half at Ipswich he (HRK) was really good, gave their defence a torrid time, whilst not looking like scoring admittedly. I didn't recognise him as the old HRK !
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Think DM is between a bit of a rock and hard place for Wednesday and Blackburn. If he makes changes and we drop points, questions will be asked. If he doesn't make changes and we drop points, questions will be asked.
We need a couple of big pushes though and then we can give the majority a decent break prior to Norwich.
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If Gayle is injured then either bring in Morrison and push Phillips further forward or swap him for Sako. No HRK please, he had his good game against Leeds and has been back to pub league standard since.
Agree 100 percent with this post. The guy(HRK) is just not good enough. Use Phillips in the advanced role.
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Can see a couple of changes here, e.g. maybe Morrison to start, keep Barry for Blackburn.
I think there could be a couple of enforced changes.
Obviously Gayle, and Hegazi was struggling towards the end against Wigan.
Just hope we don't see Bartley back in the side
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25 tickets left now so anybody that wants one had better hurry up.
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I wonder how many of the recent ticket sales for this match are down to our current form. Equally it could be interesting to see how many of those recent sales are down to Wednesday having sold their allocation by December 21st with home tickets having been on general sale for some time.......
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I wonder how many of the recent ticket sales for this match are down to our current form. Equally it could be interesting to see how many of those recent sales are down to Wednesday having sold their allocation by December 21st with home tickets having been on general sale for some time.......
Given that it's the holiday period, we're in good form and we had 24.5K Albion fans at the match on boxing day I am pretty certain these aren't Wednesday fans buying tickets. The ticket sales are completely consistent with the number of sales you'd expect in the days leading up to a game.
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1: it’s christmas
2 : it’s only £20 a ticket
3 : were doing well
4 : were playing entertaining football and scoring goals
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Lubbly jubbly ;D .
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This could have all been avoided with changes against the 2 weaker sides of the festive period (the two we've just beaten in 1st/2nd gear), I digress though, I feel we'll get:
GK: Johnstone
RB: Adarabioyo
CB: Dawson
CB: Bartley
LB: Gibbs
RCM: Phillips
CM: Livermore
LCM: Barry
RCF: HRK
CF: Rodriguez
LCF: Barnes
subs: Myhill, Morrison, Brunt, Sako, Mears, Harper, Burke.
My preference if it turns out Hegazi IS injured would be for Mears to come in at RB and Tosin to play alongside Dawson.
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That's it SOLD OUT! Not one ticket available anywhere in the stadium.
Anyone still after one it's always worth checking on returned tickets. Best bet phone the ticket office.
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Or check on other Albion supporters twitter accounts for spares.
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Or check on other Albion supporters twitter accounts for spares.
Yeah, or Facebook.
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Minimal changes to our winning team.
Gayle Injured so Sako or HRK in.
If hegazi struggling it will be Bartley.
Why I can understand bringing Morrison in and pushing Phillips forward, bringing mears in and shifting tosin is 4 changes instead of just 2
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I think there could be a couple of enforced changes.
Obviously Gayle, and Hegazi was struggling towards the end against Wigan.
Just hope we don't see Bartley back in the side
I think youre right. Make changes that need to be made don't make changes for the sake of it.
Gayle being unfit could allow any of; HRK Sako Burke Leko or Edwards coming in. Phillips too we a few more changes.
Regardless of whether he plays HRK or Sako we probably can't afford Rodriguez having another 90 if he and Gayle we're to both injured we would be in a pickle.
Saw some reports that foresteri has a warrant for arrest for failing to turn up to court. That surely helps us Abit more
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Think this is a difficult game now that they have changed manager and picked up form. If we lose JRod then I do worry a bit and we might need to move Phillips out to the wing. I’d take a point at this stage I think but a win would be amazing as it’s starting to look like Leeds and norwich are just getting the rub of the green and have that spirit of a promotion team. The longer this run continues the more I’ll worry that it’s about to come to an end!
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J Rod also a doubt apparently
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Anyone with an adult ticket preferably in the east stand. For my dad. Please Pm me if you have anything. Thanks in advance.
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J Rod also a doubt apparently
He’s barely missed a minute all season so it was always going to catch up with him. Big Dave tends to use the same 11 and the same subs. If he’s out as well does that mean both Sako and HRK?
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Philips has played in the striker role for Scotland. Maybe he'll have to fill in tomorrow?
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Philips has played in the striker role for Scotland. Maybe he'll have to fill in tomorrow?
Would be a huge miss from midfield. Can't help but think we've made a real mess of selection in the last 2 games.
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I've heard there are doubts about Hegazi and Rodriguez. If they don't make the game I'm pretty sure we won't be resting anyone we're not going to want to make any more changes than we have to. Bartley hasn't appeared on the bench since returning from his injury but I'm presuming he's fit. If not Adarabioyo may have to come across with Mears filling in at right back. I can see us lining up something like this today:
Johnstone
Adarabioyo Dawson Bartley Gibbs
Phillips Livermore Barry
Brunt Robson-Kanu Barnes.
Hopefully Hegazi and JRod will make the game.
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If Hegazi is out I'd put Mears at RB and put Tosin at CB.
Mears isn't amazing but is better than Barkley and it is his natural position.
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Really hoping for a good performance and three points today but concerned by our potential missing players. With a number of our better players unavailable and the fact they have won the last two games 1-0 this one could be a tough one for us. As always the first goal will be important.
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A bit worried about this one now with the potential injuries that we’ve got. Really shouldn’t have made the last game such hard work and could have afforded testing a few
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Brunt up front? :P
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Give Burke a start?
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Think it's going to be a line up that will divide opinion, but one that could have been avoided had we rotated more over th festive period.
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Having missed the last two games completely I'm looking forward to being able to watch or listen to this one.
Despite any enforced changes hopefully the fact that we are in good form and at home will help us get the win.
Either 2-0 or 3-1 to the baggies.
COYB
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Hegazi, Gayle Barry and Phillips out. Bartlet Morrison Sako and Brunt in.
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No Gayle or Hegazi. Phillips and Barry on the bench. Sako starts as does Bartley and Morrison
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Bartley may be much happier with 4 at the back
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Weird team selection. Darren and the clubs fitness team will know better than me what shape the players are in though.
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Line Up:
Johnstone, Adarabioyo, Dawson, Bartley, Gibbs, Livermore, Morrison, Brunt (c), Barnes, Sako, Rodriguez
Subs: Myhill, Mears, Barry, Harper, Hoolahan, Phillips, HRK
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Sad to see Brunt back in centre mid but that aside happy enough with the side
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Brunt isn't and never will be a bloody central midfielder, Moore why persist with this?
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Line Up:
Johnstone, Adarabioyo, Dawson, Bartley, Gibbs, Livermore, Morrison, Brunt (c), Barnes, Sako, Rodriguez
Subs: Myhill, Mears, Barry, Harper, Hoolahan, Phillips, HRK
not impressed with this line up and its all down to coach and his insistence on not rotating his player's. Barry's our best midfielder and brings the best out of Livermore should have had early bath last game, Phillips also has to start.
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0-1 >:(
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Not a good start. End of our unbeaten run? You watch Norwich and Leeds slip up today! >:(
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Looks like the unbeaten run ends here. Poor start.
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Put Bartley and Brunt in team and what do you expect
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Put Bartley and Brunt in team and what do you expect
They scored from a corner
Drop personal agenda
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Long Long Long (Beatles song) way to go. Worry not.
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Guys there's 83 mins left
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They scored from a corner
Drop personal agenda
Correct. It all came from a mistake from Tosin as his bad touch led to the corner instead of lamping it for a throw/laying off to the keeper.
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Any links to commentary at all? Long shot I know!
Living in Birmingham and not owning a dab radio I can’t get any commentary
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Put Bartley and Brunt in team and what do you expect
I also think that DM didn't have too much choice with picking Bartley, no other centre halves!
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I was in such a good mood after the Rangers game as well. Come on Albion ffs.
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This midfield three isn't working, and Wednesday are putting pressure on the player receiving the ball.
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Regardless of what some people say the things we know already and weaken our team are
Bartley playing
Bring playing centre midfield
Tosin still isn't good enough or a right back
We desperately need to reinvest the chadli money but Jenkins is already saying we are doing again
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How have we responded to going behind?
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This midfield three isn't working, and Wednesday are putting pressure on the player receiving the ball.
doesn't need a brain surgeon to work that out, Brunt shouldn't be anywhere near the first team.
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We all know this season would be a Helter Skelter ride.
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doesn't need a brain surgeon to work that out, Brunt shouldn't be anywhere near the first team.
I wouldn't go that far but even in his pomp he was never a central midfielder.
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Tosin having a mare.
Rest of the team not much better
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How are we looking guys
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Tosin having a mare.
Rest of the team not much better
Never a RB, Dawson would be better out there but even better would have been if we bought a RB or kept Nyom!
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Are we Getting Better?
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No shots on target from us
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Leeds losing. Norwich winning.
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Just goes to show...We should have rested a player per game, instead we have to shoehorn too many at one go. Bad management decisions.
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Johnstone needs to command his area. At fault with Tosin for the first goal, and nearly gifted them another
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Are we Getting Better?
BBC page has said we’ve responded well but who knows if that’s true.
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Keep believing guys. We can score Any Time at all"
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Just goes to show...We should have rested a player per game, instead we have to shoehorn too many at one go. Bad management decisions.
spot on always going to be a car crash waiting to happen when injuries and fatigue kick in
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Come on you Baggies. Don't let me down.
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Wednesday 6 shots 4 on target us 3 none on target
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We've been very flat. No urgency or tempo to our passing. Very little intelligence or off the ball movement when we have the ball.
I'd get Barry on at half time for Morrison or Brunt.
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How is Brunt getting anywhere near this team, absolutely useless, Harper and Field would be more useful.
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Need to get back to basics. Plenty of time left in this one.
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Don't care who he replaces but Barry definitely needs to come on...we have no midfield..
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Fans need to STOP suggesting Brunt is to blame for every goal we concede in games he plays in. How dare you treat a legend with such disrespect. He's maintained his place and captaincy through lots of managers.
From what I've seen of Tosin, he's not even a championship player so how he was signed by MCFC I'll never know. Not sure if it's inexperience but I'm sure he's actually directly cost us a few goals.
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might as well go back to 352 second half, we are "lethargic" according to SSN
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Dreadful performance, Brunt waste of a jersey, did nothing to justify a recall let alone being made captain. Badly missing Phillips, Barry and Gayle. Bartley usual unconvincing self. Awful team selection and performance. Not even a shot worth remembering so far. J-Rod anonymous. Boo's at half time.
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Barry and Phillips on at halftime for me
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Brunt far too slow for this now and Barley- it’s like going back into the dark ages and it was only a few months ago they were both regulars.
Phillips and Barry on asap
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Sounds we need some drive.
Bring on Phillips!
Anyone there know how Sako has done!?
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Fans need to STOP suggesting Brunt is to blame for every goal we concede in games he plays in. How dare you treat a legend with such disrespect. He's maintained his place and captaincy through lots of managers.
From what I've seen of Tosin, he's not even a championship player so how he was signed by MCFC I'll never know. Not sure if it's inexperience but I'm sure he's actually directly cost us a few goals.
legs have gone and shouldn't be in central midfield as for tosh not a right back board to blame for not getting replacement in
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Fans need to STOP suggesting Brunt is to blame for every goal we concede in games he plays in. How dare you treat a legend with such disrespect. He's maintained his place and captaincy through lots of managers.
He's playing rubbish mate, as he has done all season. Our results with him in the team are notable worse. Didn't deserve his recall or recent minutes off the bench, no room for sentiment.
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I've got a feeling we'll turn this around in the second half
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Going to script for me. Sheffield early goal and then very difficult to break down. They are strong at the back and we just don't look like getting back into it at this stage.
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Anyone there know how Sako has done!?
Probably our most dangerous attacker which isn't saying anything. Looks slow and cumbersome. Struggling to get into the game and when we get the ball to him he's had no support, not enough players pushing into the final third. He should have been brought on at Rotherham when we were 4-0 up to get his match fitness but Moore preferred to give Brunt and Morrison a run out which was pointless.
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Going to script for me. Sheffield early goal and then very difficult to break down. They are strong at the back and we just don't look like getting back into it at this stage.
Hard to tell if Wednesday are decent defensively or not as we've not tested them or had a go. Passed it sideways very very slowing for a half and played like we were hungover. Only saving grace is we can't play any worse second half.
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Moore has to change this at half time Barry who should never have been dropped but rested after 60 minutes against Wigan on for Brunt. Lose this one and all the blame is on coaches
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Get Brunt off and out of the club.
How much more evidence do we need.
No creativity at all.
This is appalling management.
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Need to get Brunt off for Phillips and give these something to think about second half. Norwich currently drawing & Leeds loosing we need to get something out of this.
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Barry isn't out with the subs at half time
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Hard to tell if Wednesday are decent defensively or not as we've not tested them or had a go. Passed it sideways very very slowing for a half and played like we were hungover. Only saving grace is we can't play any worse second half.
It's how they have won their last two 1-0. They get their noses in front and make it hard to play against them.
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Anyone got any commentary or streams please
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I should have known better than this would be easy. Still - 2nd half boys....
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If I was to take someone off it would be Morrison - he's been absolutely anonymous this half. Brunt isn't playing well but he's getting on the ball and he's not hiding. Mozza just hasn't got himself into the game at all
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they are a bogey team to us.
played them 106 times in the league and they've beaten us 50 times with 25 draws between the teams.
we've managed to beat them just 31 times. and only 16 times from 53 matches at the Hawthornes.
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It's Albion's highest gate of the season with 26,548 inside The Hawthorns.
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No subs as yet
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I still think we can work it out
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COYB! Make me regret giving my season ticket to my son for the day...
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Big Dave needs to be pro-acive with the subs if it's not changed in 10 mins.
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Clueless yet again by our coach team Barry has to come on and if they don't see that :o
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Better 5 minutes than we had all of last half
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legs have gone and shouldn't be in central midfield as for tosh not a right back board to blame for not getting replacement in
Both players playing out of position, but one has scored and assisted here for many years, the other hasn't. He deserves respect, not the abuse he gets on here and at the ground (Not saying you're abusive, but there are many who are).
He's playing rubbish mate, as he has done all season. Our results with him in the team are notable worse. Didn't deserve his recall or recent minutes off the bench, no room for sentiment.
Fair enough he's not been our standout player this season, but it makes my blood boil that fans blame him when we concede a goal. He's the wrong side of 30, yes, but being played out of position won't help. Perhaps no room for sentiment on the field as it is ruthless, but within the fans discussion he doesn't deserve the constant stream of abuse he gets.
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Barry and Phillips MUST come on soon.
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Wednesday are playing deep...Phillps' speed would help us.
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HRK and Phillips warming up.
This is much better than the first half
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What’s bloody Harvey Barnes doing?
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Make that a triple sub.
Red card Rodriguez
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Rodriguez has been dismissed for an off-the-ball incident.
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Leeds 0-2 down Norwich still drawing. a draw wouldn't be a disaster if things stayed as they are in other matches.
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I'm afraid Moore deserves all the stick he's going to get.
Talk about bringing it upon yourself.
Days such as today won't keep the detractors away!
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Rodriguez has been dismissed for an off-the-ball incident.
that's a bit daft
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Not our day today.
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Jrod you idiot Moore you idiot
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JRod from hero to zero.
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Clear stamp...idiot..
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Any sign of subs?
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red for violent conduct. 3 or 5 game ban?
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The incident was right in front of me. In my view it wasn't a red. Their player was on the ground and Rodriguez goes to jog over him and clips his shoulder. Their player reacts and the lino thinks it's a stamp.
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Any sign of subs?
All 3 on
Substitution
Posted at 65'
Substitution, West Bromwich Albion. Hal Robson-Kanu replaces Bakary Sako.
Substitution
Posted at 65'
Substitution, West Bromwich Albion. Gareth Barry replaces James Morrison.
Substitution
Posted at 65'
Substitution, West Bromwich Albion. Matt Phillips replaces Tosin Adarabioyo.
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red for violent conduct. 3 or 5 game ban?
might not see him again if bids come in
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All 3 on
Substitution
Posted at 65'
Substitution, West Bromwich Albion. Hal Robson-Kanu replaces Bakary Sako.
Substitution
Posted at 65'
Substitution, West Bromwich Albion. Gareth Barry replaces James Morrison.
Substitution
Posted at 65'
Substitution, West Bromwich Albion. Matt Phillips replaces Tosin Adarabioyo.
Thanks mate!
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Looks like Moore promised Brunt 90 today regardless of performance.
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Hands up if you’ll take a point now.
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The incident was right in front of me. In my view it wasn't a red. Their player was on the ground and Rodriguez goes to jog over him and clips his shoulder. Their player reacts and the lino thinks it's a stamp.
Haven't seen it, but if that's the case then it's a bit daft of Jrod, knowing what players are like now, to leave your foot anywhere near a player is asking for trouble. Some players need to use their heads a bit more.
How soon before opposing fans start the "he's a stamper and a racist..." comments.
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No Gayle & now no Rodriguez this is when we struggle to score goals other than Barnes. Need to get the cheque book out in January even though i heard we got f all to spend
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An awful lot of time wasting going on. Will we get 7 minutes added on? Doubtful
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We could play till midnight and not score with the team selected......
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we will equalise.😃
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Uphill struggle with out of the blue team selection., don't know what Moore was thinking?
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Even our free kicks are not troubling them
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This team selection makes my mind boggle.
Keep this selection style up and we won't even make the play offs.
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Uphill struggle with out of the blue team selection., don't know what Moore was thinking?
Hand was forced due to fixture congestion but it's been badly managed by him by not rotating the team
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dongles beating spurs.😰
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Looking like a very costly afternoon.
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leeds losing
norwich drawing
perfect day to close the gap 😭😭
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And Norwich have done it again ☹ï¸
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Damn it. Norwich and their dramatic wins
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Clear stamp...idiot..
I will never understand why players stamp.
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I will never understand why players stamp.
Especially right in front of the officials...😐
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think it highlights what an average team we are if you exclude Barnes and Gayle.
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Lights are off at Carrow Road, play stopped.
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Just read that Johnstone has been booked. PLEASE tell me it's not for time wasting.
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think it highlights what an average team we are if you exclude Barnes and Gayle.
no mate shows up our coach and his staff a few injuries and he's bamboozled
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Just read that Johnstone has been booked. PLEASE tell me it's not for time wasting.
Not time wasting...Helping an "injured" player up.
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Super Chris brunt
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bloody Brunt!!
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Get in
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BRUNT useless!! haha!
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Let's hear it CHRIS BRUNTTTTTTT!
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Brunt is finished changes nothing
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According to the BBC...
Own Goal by David Jones, Sheffield Wednesday. West Bromwich Albion 1, Sheffield Wednesday 1.
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Preserves our record of having scored in every home game in 2018 - first time we have done that in a calendar year since 1955 ;D
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we've actually closed the gap to the top today ???
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Glad we rescued a draw but awful team selection and performance. Looked better with ten men when we finally had a go at them. 2 points dropped, sort of game we should be winning. J-Rod is an idiot, home to derby that backless, home to Brentford that open goal and then the stamp today. Letting the team down.
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Ugly point but well deserved in the end, not bad considering it was a fairly poor performance against a defensive team who we struggle against, especially with 3 key players missing.
The main concern was Rodriguez's red which will mess up our next game if Gayle is out. Fair play to the team though for carrying on, especially Gibbs I thought did really well - and well played to Bartley who was a bit better today.
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Important point - shows we have decent team spirit to get two injury time equalisers in recent home games.
However that shows the need for at least 3 players in January.
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Two points dropped by coach and his team selection and inability to rotate squad
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Two points dropped by coach and his team selection and inability to rotate squad
What squad?
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A great point today against a side with a new manager bounce. Hopfuly the red will be appealed so he can play next game.
Did I hear super Chris Brunt had a hand in the goal as well? 8)
Really shows our weakness is the bench.
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Two points dropped by coach and his team selection and inability to rotate squad
I don't think Moore could do much today in fairness. Our squad was weakened by injuries and then Rodriguez got sent off. Yes, he could have started Barry but he's too old to keep starting, so he was saved for Blackburn.
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it's been a "funny old day" for results in the Championship and the Premier League today
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Only seen a short clip of JRod sending off and wouldn't be surprised if it was rescinded, harsh in my opinion from the clip I saw
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Looks like there is no money for recruitment in January apart from more loanees... makes it even more important to rotate to protect our first team players and to give some game time (Rotherham) to the fringe players..
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Only seen a short clip of JRod sending off and wouldn't be surprised if it was rescinded, harsh in my opinion from the clip I saw
Just seen it on Twitter. Looks very harsh will hopefuly be overturned on appeal which means he should be good for the Blackburn game hopefully if they got the appeal in on Monday.
The ref sees it and plays on as well! Players reaction got him the card. Unbelievable from the ref. Nailed on to get recinded.
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I don't think Moore could do much today in fairness. Our squad was weakened by injuries and then Rodriguez got sent off. Yes, he could have started Barry but he's too old to keep starting, so he was saved for Blackburn.
use your bench, Barry our best midfielder should be protected better give him 60 or 70 minutes not 90. Sako not seen in months gets on a head of HRK who Moore has preferred all season and Brunt is not a central midfielder.
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The red was a joke of a decision. I had the exact same view as the lino and I've no idea how he could give that. It was a very half hearted wave of his flag too, showing he wasn't sure. He also missed a pretty obvious hold on Dawson in the box. Think the late equaliser might have busted his bet...
Good spirit from the players to get a late equaliser in difficult circumstances, but it wasn't a great performance overall. Bartley and Brunt were particularly poor I thought. I think the most important component of our midfield is Phillips and we really missed his drive.
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When seen team selection that performance was coming.
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I know it's against the rules, but gotta shout out for Derby, the last minute biter got bit!
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What goes round, comes round!
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A frustrating game but will take a point on reflection. We’ve made a point up on both Leeds and Norwich today which can’t be a bad thing. Could see the disappointment on our players’ body language at the end of the game though, as they felt they could have won that.
We were always going to struggle after conceding the early sloppy goal and Wednesday reverting to 10 behind the ball.
Thought the refereeing was poor again, similar to the Wigan game. How Johnstone gets himself booked and the bloke who was apparently so injured he needed a physio gets up and runs off right after without anything from the ref, I don’t know.
Also have to admit I celebrated that equaliser like I’ve never done before! Glad to have the Albion bug back again.
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Moore confirms card will be appealed. Should be good for Blackburn.
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Attendance: 26,548. Good turn out
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Abject, lacklustre display yet again.
Take the I point and move on. We just do not have tactics or motivation so unless you have Gayle and Barry with their far superior quality, we’ll struggle with this manager
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Nonsense. Get a result against Blackburn and he will be up for manager of the month.
9 games unbeaten and gaining on Norwich and Leeds every week. Can’t please everyone
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That red was woeful. Awful decision!
But who knows, maybe without it we wouldn't have equalised.
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That red was woeful. Awful decision!
But who knows, maybe without it we wouldn't have equalised.
Think the linesman was trying to get his face on the cameras. The ref sees it and does nothing, from a closer position, then the linesman from miles away starts waving.
Although we played better after the red, I think that was down to the changes rather than the 10 men. I think we may have seen JRod subbed for Kanu and Sako left on if it wasn’t for the red.
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Poor officiating again in my opinion, similar to the last game. Lots of inconsistencies
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Abject, lacklustre display yet again.
Take the I point and move on. We just do not have tactics or motivation so unless you have Gayle and Barry with their far superior quality, we’ll struggle with this manager
I have disagree, this was our bad day at the office and we kept at it with 10 men to keep an unbeaten run going.
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Got to say from my view in the brummie I’d called red straight away, looked like he’d flicked his leg back into the player after jumping over him, just seen a clip on Twitter from the Halfords and it looked nothing. Be interesting to see the replays from different angles. I don’t understand how the ref can send a man off after playing advantage, my understanding was if it’s a red card offence you can’t play on.
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Got to say from my view in the brummie I’d called red straight away, looked like he’d flicked his leg back into the player after jumping over him, just seen a clip on Twitter from the Halfords and it looked nothing. Be interesting to see the replays from different angles. I don’t understand how the ref can send a man off after playing advantage, my understanding was if it’s a red card offence you can’t play on.
If it is off the ball th n he can bring it back. What was odd was that they got the ball where the incident occurred, despite having a shot at goal via the advantage.
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If it is off the ball th n he can bring it back. What was odd was that they got the ball where the incident occurred, despite having a shot at goal via the advantage.
The ref was playing advantage for the initial challenge, then will say he followed the ball and missed the "afters".
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I thought the team we started with was pretty poor by big dave. Yes you have to freshen It up but surely there are better ways to do so. Brunt is no cm why not give field or Harper a go. Sako is a wing forward not a cf. what about one of the kids playing wing forward? We lacked pace and energy today.
Having gone down to 10 men rightly or wrongly to then get something out of the game was huge. It's a shame we didn't win today as we would have gone second and been just 3 behind Leeds.
Having said that I didn't expect Leeds to drop points today. We're still unbeaten and we're a point closer to the top 2. Got to follow it up at ewood with a win
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I thought the team selection today was wrong. When we're missing important players we can not afford to leave others out.
First half we were poor. Some people have been waiting to see Sako play, I thought he was awful. He received far more of the ball than either of our other two forwards and did absolutely nothing with it. His lack of vision failing to see Harvey Barnes free in about twenty yards of space summed up his performance. Barnes was anonymous so was Rodriguez and there was no tempo or drive to our play.
The goal we conceded was terrible. Adarabioyo conceding a needless corner with an awful touch. We desperately need a right back. Didn't defend the corner well enough but will need to see it back to analyse it further. We need Hegazi back, Bartley is awful. His misjudgement of one particular pass was comical which saw him almost running off the pitch while the ball went in the opposite direction, shocking.
Second half saw an improvement from the off. Barnes started to come into the game more but J Rod getting sent off didn't help our cause. I didn't see the incident at the ground so won't comment yet on whether or not the red card was justified.
Big Dave straight away made 3 subs and they made a difference. Phillips carried us down the right driving at Wednesday and we started getting deliveries into the box. Umpteen corners, most of them poor deliveries but finally one landed to Brunt who with the aid of at least one defender rescued us a point which overall I felt for our pressure, persistence and sheer will deserved in the end.
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Matt Wilson Twitter account:
#wba will appeal Jay Rodriguez's red card
Moore: "It's a nothing challenge."
Bullen: "I was surprised he held the red up."
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Definitely a point gained in those circumstances. Sheff Wed restricted space really well and although we were trying to play wide, we were outnumbered in every pocket of space. Even though we were absolutely awful for the most of it the boys showed a desire and determination to not be beaten, which was pleasing.
The three central midfielders were terrible though. Morrison looked well off the pace and the less said of Brunt in the middle of the park the better.
Also, I said the same thing the last game but, if we do not have a right back ready to go on January the first it could cost us. Tosin looks horribly exposed and is costing us goals with mistake after mistake.
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From my position saw JRod have a little step on after the initial incident the Lino put his flag up and knew it was going to be a red even if contact was minimal.You can't have those 3 in midfield only Jake got a tackle in him, Mozza did what he does best steal wages for impersonating the invisible man and Brunt is a joke if you going to use the wand at least tell some your going for the back post or beyond.
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use your bench, Barry our best midfielder should be protected better give him 60 or 70 minutes not 90. Sako not seen in months gets on a head of HRK who Moore has preferred all season and Brunt is not a central midfielder.
Very rare do we agree, but this 100%
I'm not getting on moores back but he does show some naivety and strange decisions , HRK should have started and sako goes on the wing for Phillips
Brunt is finished for us, positional play was terrible, delivery has dropped off
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Sky highlights:
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/sheffield-wednesday/11594230/west-brom-1-1-sheff-wed
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From my position saw JRod have a little step on after the initial incident the Lino put his flag up and knew it was going to be a red even if contact was minimal.You can't have those 3 in midfield only Jake got a tackle in him, Mozza did what he does best steal wages for impersonating the invisible man and Brunt is a joke if you going to use the wand at least tell some your going for the back post or beyond.
watched it on twitter no way is it a booking never mind a red card shocking decision by ref and lines man.
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I thought the team we started with was pretty poor by big dave. Yes you have to freshen It up but surely there are better ways to do so. Brunt is no cm why not give field or Harper a go. Sako is a wing forward not a cf. what about one of the kids playing wing forward? We lacked pace and energy today.
Having gone down to 10 men rightly or wrongly to then get something out of the game was huge. It's a shame we didn't win today as we would have gone second and been just 3 behind Leeds.
Having said that I didn't expect Leeds to drop points today. We're still unbeaten and we're a point closer to the top 2. Got to follow it up at ewood with a win
Sako played on the left and right wing for all the time he was on, save for five minutes when he and Rodriguez swapped in the first half.
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watched it on twitter no way is it a booking never mind a red card shocking decision by ref and lines man.
that view on Twitter is totally different to what anyone in the brummie saw, there was a clear flick out after jumping over him.
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that view on Twitter is totally different to what anyone in the brummie saw, there was a clear flick out after jumping over him.
Looked like a flick from the Smethwick too.
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Awful selection
Awful performance
Awful red card decision
Fantastic result
Shows that we have just as much resilience as Norwich and Leeds and are very much in this title race but, please Darren, no more Brunt in the centre and get in a right back and a centre forward.
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26,548 at the game today. That is the highest gate of the season. 2,720 from Sheffield. 23,828 Albion behind only 24,450 v Wigan and 23,896 v Villa.
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that view on Twitter is totally different to what anyone in the brummie saw, there was a clear flick out after jumping over him.
agreed, from Brummie it looked a deliberate kick out at the player
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too many changes upset our rhythm. Brunt and Morrison who've barely played for a month suddenly get thrown the fray! Brunt in CM is never going to work it's been tried far too many times and proved to be a poor decision too many times to be tried again.Morrison unfortunately had one of his anonymous displays so he'll probably be MOTM next outing. we've got no one who can replace Phillips so we lost a major offensive player. looked more like a team picked in hope it could work rather than one that will work.
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Abject, lacklustre display yet again.
Take the I point and move on. We just do not have tactics or motivation so unless you have Gayle and Barry with their far superior quality, we’ll struggle with this manager
Is this a joke? We are unbeaten in 9 and just won 4 in a row.
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Not a vintage performance but saving a point when down to 10-men will do us for now, particularly when Leeds & Norwich have slipped up today. We have to be careful now though as Sheff U only 2 pts behind us!
For their goal, the boy made a mistake conceding the corner but I think people on here forget that he IS still a boy (and playing out of position). Johnstone also at fault for me as rooted to his line once again for the entirety of the phase of play after the corner - redeemed himself somewhat with the 2 saves in the first half after that though it must be said.
Would much rather have seen Tosin partner Dawson in the middle than the woeful Bartley (more on him later), could've stuck Gibbs at right back for the day and Brunt left back maybe (he was also woeful in CM again despite his goal)
At the end of last season I thought we'd seen the last appearance of Barry after the Taxi incident, but I can now honestly say that I think he's redeemed himself for us this season; as we look lost at times when he isn't in the middle to pull the strings for us; with it being the same again today. We took control even down to 10 when he came on.
Bartley....what can I even say, mistakes were a constant again and then lashed out verbally at the others around him each time he made a new mistake. Very telling that Gibbs went right back at him, told him not to talk like him to that and called him a 3rd rate amateur; with some choice expletives in between; (If you were close enough to them in the Brummie road when they were chippy with each other then you'd also have heard the exchange). So they seemingly dislike each other based on that exchange; which is not a good sign if we are wanting a cohesive defence; The sooner Hegazi is back the better as we missed him today.
All of the above said, we dug deep and snatched a draw out of the jaws of a defeat so we'll take it, move on and go again! We showed great resilience and it could end up being a vital point come the end of the season...
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Two points dropped by coach and his team selection and inability to rotate squad
There you have it, the squad isn't good enough to rotate.
The first eleven virtually picks itself when everyone is fit, the problem arises when we have enforced changes.
The weakness in this team is the bench.
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so is it officially a Brunt or an own goal?
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Love Darren Moore but hmmmm today. Selection was wrong, unbalanced and lacking threat. Brunt in CM no no no no no no positionally poor and the wand is no longer magic. Sakho a massive disappointment and offered less than HRK, 0a lack of match sharpness or best day's behind him? Bartley puts the team on edge when he is on the ball, a better second half but not by much.
I thought that today was proof that we are a play-off rather than top 2 side but then the top two lost. Anybody's title but we do need to strengthen.
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It’s to be expected from Fritz. I wrote a response then deleted it. No point and a waste of my time.
Can never be a waste of time replying to someone who is more often than not correct. I was correct in the time we should have removed Pulis, I was correct that 5 at the back was seriously holding us back, that Brunt is never a central midfielder etc...
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Can never be a waste of time replying to someone who is more often than not correct. I was correct in the time we should have removed Pulis, I was correct that 5 at the back was seriously holding us back, that Brunt is never a central midfielder etc...
Your comment was "abject, lacklustre display yet again". That is incorrect...
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Can never be a waste of time replying to someone who is more often than not correct. I was correct in the time we should have removed Pulis, I was correct that 5 at the back was seriously holding us back, that Brunt is never a central midfielder etc...
I feel I should point out that many others have voiced the same opinions on those obvious matters.
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I am with Fritzi's comments generally speaking. I also think many posters really believe that Darren is running the show. I think that Mr Jones is the real leader.
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I am with Fritzi's comments generally speaking. I also think many posters really believe that Darren is running the show. I think that Mr Jones is the real leader.
Expand please.....
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A poor performance and lucky to get away with a point - I have to admire our battling qualities as despite not being at our best, we showed remarkable character to really dig in and get a vital point.
I didn't agree with the team selection but given the age of our squad and the amount of games we have coming up it made sense to make the changes - I think we all expected a bit more of an input from certain players however.
Credit to Sheffield Wednesday however - they were excellent in the first half and could have got more than the one goal. Bullen packed the middle of the pitch and nullified the space for Barnes and co. Wednesday kept urging us to go wide to Tosin and Sako to enable us to put in crosses for Lees and Hector to gobble up.
On a side note - I have mentioned on this forum before that Tom Lees is an excellent defender and someone I would pursue. It is only when I see the hapless Kyle Bartley that I reinforce that view.
Disappointed with Tosin, Rodriguez, Sako, Bartley and Morrison who had poor games.
As for the red card - I agreed at the time. Looked like a clear stamp from the Smethwick. I have not seen the footage back however.
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Just watch the bench activity during the game, and do you really think that Darren would throw three subs on together of his own volition ?
Just my opinion mate, I just don't subscribe to the Darren Moore love-in, and I think he waited so long to recruit Jones, because he felt he could not do the job without him.
Did you not see the the comment from Jones that "I am in charge of the team' s play with the ball, and Darren when we do not have the ball, and that is what we agreed when I joined the club"
Speaks volumes to me and I believe the Manager should not delegate in that way.
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Just watch the bench activity during the game, and do you really think that Darren would throw three subs on together of his own volition ?
Just my opinion mate, I just don't subscribe to the Darren Moore love-in, and I think he waited so long to recruit Jones, because he felt he could not do the job without him.
Did you not see the the comment from Jones that "I am in charge of the team' s play with the ball, and Darren when we do not have the ball, and that is what we agreed when I joined the club"
Speaks volumes to me and I believe the Manager should not delegate in that way.
Moore and Jones work as a team. What is wrong with that? The days where a manager pretty much ran a football club are long gone.
Moore is the main man and demonstrated that when he ditched that wretched 3-4-1-2 system.
In the modern game the art of delegation is part of good management.
Moore and Jones are doing just fine.
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I feel I should point out that many others have voiced the same opinions on those obvious matters.
On the Pulis matter especially I have to disagree with you massively on that one, I was very much alone for a good while, with only Ken being another who I don’t see much of on here anymore. I wanted him gone as soon as we were confirmed to be safe the season before he eventually did go but the majority on here disagreed with me.
Yesterday was abject and lacklustre, the Leeds game aside I have seen plenty of those performances from us this season. I would just like to see us play consistently well which we should be with the squad we have. If he continues to play Brunt in midfield then there really is no defending the bloke. Such a glaringly obvious weakness every time he is picked there.
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Really poor officials in the last two games. do we ever get 'homers' ?
Dawson should have had a penalty ?
Sending off looked a joke plus the Wigan player should have gone last wed after the 'leg breaker' on Hegazi.
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The refs in this league are appalling. Like the standard of most of the teams.
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I didn't think there was enough in the Dawson incident for it to be a penalty. The sending off was given by the linesman. Ref wasn't as bad as the one against Wigan he was atrocious.
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The refs in this league are appalling. Like the standard of most of the teams.
Agreed. The jump in class in every aspect between the two divisions is quite staggering.
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The refs in this league are appalling. Like the standard of most of the teams.
I've got to agree with this as well, though I haven't mentioned it yet because I've been more concerned with our own player and coach failings in certain games. But 75% of this league is complete dross, and the officiating is scarily bad.
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With regard to the "stamp". It happened about 3 yards to my left as I sit in the front row lower East. To me it looked like Rodriguez was trying to avoid treading on the the players leg but the player kept rolling around and moving his legs into the path of Rodriguez, I never saw any kind of stamp or flick whatsoever.
The red should get rescinded but I'm not going to hold my breath. My concern is that it will be a 3 match ban meaning we will have both him and Gayle missing for the Norwich game.
Poor performance in the first half. Why Adabarioyo put the ball out for the corner rather than a throw I'll never know but we should have defended it better. Bartley seems more interested in shirt pulling and holding at corners than watching the ball. With hindsight it would have been better to have played Adabarioyo alongside Dawson and Mears at right back.
Morrison had a poor game and maybe should have been rested instead of Phillips, Brunt was poor his dead balls were mostly wasted and Bannon ran him ragged but then Brunt isn't a CM. Livermore was the pick of the midfielders but still below par.
I saw nothing from Sako to suggest he should be starting which is disappointing as I expected more from him. Barnes was totally anonymous in the first half and although he improved in the second half, he still needs to learn when to pass and when to shoot as he often picks the wrong choice. At least we won't have to worry about Leicester recalling him in January.
Again with hindsight we should have started HRK and left Sako on the bench.
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With regard to the "stamp". It happened about 3 yards to my left as I sit in the front row lower East. To me it looked like Rodriguez was trying to avoid treading on the the players leg but the player kept rolling around and moving his legs into the path of Rodriguez, I never saw any kind of stamp or flick whatsoever.
The red should get rescinded but I'm not going to hold my breath. My concern is that it will be a 3 match ban meaning we will have both him and Gayle missing for the Norwich game.
Poor performance in the first half. Why Adabarioyo put the ball out for the corner rather than a throw I'll never know but we should have defended it better. Bartley seems more interested in shirt pulling and holding at corners than watching the ball. With hindsight it would have been better to have played Adabarioyo alongside Dawson and Mears at right back.
Morrison had a poor game and maybe should have been rested instead of Phillips, Brunt was poor his dead balls were mostly wasted and Bannon ran him ragged but then Brunt isn't a CM. Livermore was the pick of the midfielders but still below par.
I saw nothing from Sako to suggest he should be starting which is disappointing as I expected more from him. Barnes was totally anonymous in the first half and although he improved in the second half, he still needs to learn when to pass and when to shoot as he often picks the wrong choice. At least we won't have to worry about Leicester recalling him in January.
Again with hindsight we should have started HRK and left Sako on the bench.
it seems people sitting behind the goals in the brummie and smethwick appear to have seen the incident differently to people on the sides. It definitely appeared to me that there was deliberate flick out, as soon as it happened I said he’s gone here and was shocked the ref appeared to miss it. From my view I’d be shocked if it was rescinded, my send on what camera angles are available.
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it seems people sitting behind the goals in the brummie and smethwick appear to have seen the incident differently to people on the sides. It definitely appeared to me that there was deliberate flick out, as soon as it happened I said he’s gone here and was shocked the ref appeared to miss it. From my view I’d be shocked if it was rescinded, my send on what camera angles are available.
It's certainly true that we will see things differently based on angle of view.
Having watched the highlights on Quest yesterday I still don't see any stamp at all, just Rodriguez trying to get over the player, yes he makes contact with the player but I just can't see any stamping motion just Rodriguez trying to step over him. None of the Wednesday players react in an angry way to the incident which surely they would have done if they believed that Rodriguez had stamped on one of their players, also their manager thinks it was a soft decision.
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It's certainly true that we will see things differently based on angle of view.
Having watched the highlights on Quest yesterday I still don't see any stamp at all, just Rodriguez trying to get over the player, yes he makes contact with the player but I just can't see any stamping motion just Rodriguez trying to step over him. None of the Wednesday players react in an angry way to the incident which surely they would have done if they believed that Rodriguez had stamped on one of their players, also their manager thinks it was a soft decision.
Only seen one angle of very poor quality, but the way he puts his foot down doesn't seem to be the way you would normally if you were just trying to get clear. I think he left a little something there deliberately, but it's worth an appeal as it wasn't a blatant "stamp".
Modified after seeing on a clear video, never a red card, must be rescinded, he hardly touched the guy.
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It's certainly true that we will see things differently based on angle of view.
Having watched the highlights on Quest yesterday I still don't see any stamp at all, just Rodriguez trying to get over the player, yes he makes contact with the player but I just can't see any stamping motion just Rodriguez trying to step over him. None of the Wednesday players react in an angry way to the incident which surely they would have done if they believed that Rodriguez had stamped on one of their players, also their manager thinks it was a soft decision.
It's not just seeing things differently based on angle of view, it's also perception and interpretation.
I was behind the goal toward the back and felt he was trying to avoid their player, the fact he continued to portray a partially swatted gnat following a nothing challenge (and not for the first time during the game) is not Jays fault.
In my view Jay was doing his best not to stamp on him. Unlike others on this forum and elsewhere who had similar views to myself all be it from further up or down, I interpreted things as you did. I can assure you those in my direct vicinity did too.
Once the play was called back it was obvious to me why, I just thought the linesman interpreted what occurred differently to me (unfortunately). I've seen footage of the incident online and it's only served to reinforce my initial opinion.
Hopefully the decision will be turned over on appeal.
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On the Pulis matter especially I have to disagree with you massively on that one, I was very much alone for a good while, with only Ken being another who I don’t see much of on here anymore. I wanted him gone as soon as we were confirmed to be safe the season before he eventually did go but the majority on here disagreed with me.
Yesterday was abject and lacklustre, the Leeds game aside I have seen plenty of those performances from us this season. I would just like to see us play consistently well which we should be with the squad we have. If he continues to play Brunt in midfield then there really is no defending the bloke. Such a glaringly obvious weakness every time he is picked there.
If you really believe that you were some lone crusader in condemning the Pulis appointment and subsequent tenure than you are deluded.
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On the Pulis matter especially I have to disagree with you massively on that one, I was very much alone for a good while, with only Ken being another who I don’t see much of on here anymore. I wanted him gone as soon as we were confirmed to be safe the season before he eventually did go but the majority on here disagreed with me.
Yesterday was abject and lacklustre, the Leeds game aside I have seen plenty of those performances from us this season. I would just like to see us play consistently well which we should be with the squad we have. If he continues to play Brunt in midfield then there really is no defending the bloke. Such a glaringly obvious weakness every time he is picked there.
posters regularly before yesterday "Moore never makes subs and doesn't utilize the squad enough"
Yesterday "Why did he make those changes? Why change the team?"
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posters regularly before yesterday "Moore never makes subs and doesn't utilize the squad enough"
Yesterday "Why did he make those changes? Why change the team?"
Interesting the two teams above us played the same 11 again and both lost. Some might even say it was a brave call by the manager.
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If you really believe that you were some lone crusader in condemning the Pulis appointment and subsequent tenure than you are deluded.
I didn’t condemn his appointment. Was exactly what we needed on a short term basis after the bizarre appointment of Alan Irvine.
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Phillips looked a bit tired in the Wigan game and probably needed the game on the bench but we did miss having him able to surge forward from midfield or wherever. When he's not there Gibbs is the only one of the back 7 who can advance with ball at feet...Morrison hasn't got the legs to do that for any period of time now. One sublime pass from Morrison into Sako but that aside he and Brunt didn't really contribute enough. We missed Barry just being available for the ball and moving the ball around quickly.
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Shortly after the red, Dawson went in hard on the dying gnat , I think he will still be feeling that one ...
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I didn’t condemn his appointment. Was exactly what we needed on a short term basis after the bizarre appointment of Alan Irvine.
That was not a unique view either
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That was not a unique view either
I didn’t say it was...
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I didn’t condemn his appointment. Was exactly what we needed on a short term basis after the bizarre appointment of Alan Irvine.
I did. I wanted him to go one minute after his appointment. In this case, a leopard doesn't change his spots. It was obvious he only knows one way to play. Not a way I ever wanted this club to be associated with.