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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Official - Chris Willock joins on loan
« on: August 08, 2019, 05:05:27 PM »
Matt Wilson says both clubs have the option to review the loan in January. Hope this doesn't turn out to be the Barnes situation repeating itself.

https://twitter.com/mattwilson_star/status/1159494660085231622

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Official - Chris Willock joins on loan
« on: August 08, 2019, 05:02:52 PM »
Willock announced on official twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/WBA/status/1159494570222268416

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Quote from the Matt Wilson article:

Sporting had initially wanted an obligation to buy Pereira for £9million included in the deal, which Albion were unwilling to agree too.

It's believed that obligation is now dependent on Albion winning promotion.


Seems that we did the right thing in holding out for more sensible terms. Excited to see what he can do.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Field
« on: August 06, 2019, 01:04:30 PM »
Slav just mentioned every young player in the club except Sam Field in an after match interview.

Agree with some others that it's likely because he wasn't in the squad for the game. In an interview he did after the Bournemouth friendly he mentioned most of the young players, Field included.

I do think he needs some game time elsewhere if he isn't in Bilic's plans, although I have to say I'd have him in the side over Livermore.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
« on: August 05, 2019, 04:41:06 PM »
I don't think he had a bad game by any stretch. Held the ball up well and it's notable that we looked much better going forward when he was on the field, despite him not seeing a great deal of the ball. Suggests to me that he was effective in pulling players out of position to create space for others, which is just as useful if you have someone else to put the ball in the net.

Additionally, he would have had a great chance to score if Edwards had taken the (IMO more sensible) option to square to him after he'd cut in from the wing. Zohore was in the perfect spot to knock it in and if he had we might be having a different conversation about him now.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
« on: July 19, 2019, 05:12:17 PM »
I agree that it seems he will be our no.1 striker and am fairly happy with the signing. Never one to judge a player I have barely (if ever) seen play before he plays for us and if Bilic likes him then I'm happy to take his word. I do feel that we're more likely to play 1 up top with Krovinovic behind and two wingers.

Vydra alongside him?

Happy with the age profile, happy it's a permanent. Slightly underwhelmed with the quality but it's where we're at now - I've been calling for us to rebuild the squad for years, we've left it until we were forced to and we just can't attract the same level of talent that we could have before.

I think he's comfortably better than HRK but not quite in the Gayle/JRod bracket. Fee and squad number suggest he will be our main striker so we need decent alternative options. I think we need 2 more in, someone like Vydra and then a youngster on loan from the top 6.

We also need to be scrapping the 442 rubbish. Doesn't suit the squad and almost obsolete in the modern game. Get 2 wingers in support of Zohore and Krovinovic pulling the strings.

If we can't get Vydra (who I like and felt he never really got a chance when he was here), would anyone be interested in Nakhi Wells? Read an article which suggested he was perhaps more likely than Vydra to leave Burnley and has a good record at this level, albeit he is a couple of years older than Vydra.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Semi Ajayi
« on: July 18, 2019, 09:36:35 PM »
Cannot be true - thought they had already rejected £2.5m?

I thought this also. £2.5m turned down because they wanted between £3.5m - £5m.

Who knows. I hope we get him though as he sounds a decent prospect, is the right age and also versatile which will be vital if we have a small squad.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Allan Nyom (on loan at Leganés)
« on: July 18, 2019, 05:20:01 PM »
https://www.football-espana.net/79297/west-brom-defender-allan-nyom-join-getafe

This source reckons it'll be a loan deal, which seems daft to me if he's out of contract next summer (as someone further up said).

Why would we loan him out for the last year of his contract and lose him on a free instead of selling him now?

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General Football & Sports / Re: Salomon Rondon
« on: July 18, 2019, 04:20:44 PM »
Medical done and just awaiting paperwork, per Sky Sports.

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I live in Stourbridge but am a (nowadays very) occasional attendee to home games and unlikely to go to many (if any) away games. Irvine/Pulis put me off going for a few years and I started following Stourbridge more closely due to close family ties and them being down the road. The Megson/Big Dave revival rekindled my Albion spirit but I have still only been back to one home game so far (do try to watch them all though).

That said, there are a huge number of Albion fans in the area. I would say it is predominantly a Baggies town, with a few dingles here and there and the odd Villan. I think it's a great idea and think it could be successful with enough interest.

All the best for it  :D I'll have to pop down for a visit some time.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: July 17, 2019, 04:02:12 PM »
Yeah I guess that can happen. To be successful we would need our two widest cms in the diamond to have great stamina and be adept at going forward and back (only Harper/Field currently being generous?) and our full backs need to be a bona fide threat going forward. Work to do for sure.

Not against the idea of a diamond formation but they often tend to be quite narrow, whilst we have a number of players who primarily play in wide positions (Phillips, Brunt, Burke, Edwards) and are trying to sign another (Pereira).

As it looks like we'll be going into the season with a bare bones squad, we are going to have to just look at the players we have and see what formation is likely to suit best. I feel that unless we get a decent number of first-team-ready players in between now and the end of the window, Bilic is going to be limited in terms of flexibility and variation.

In my opinion, 4-2-3-1 seems most likely to fit what we have at the moment, with Krovinovic playing the 10 role behind (by the looks of it) Zohore. Two of the aforementioned wide players would be on each side, with Field and someone else (hopefully not Livermore, maybe a new signing) holding - a sot of poor-man's Mulumbu and Yacob.

                                             Johnstone

           RB               Bartley                   Hegazi              Gibbs

                               Field                       CM

                  Phillips                Krovinovic              Edwards

                                             Zohore

Subs: Bond, O'Shea, (full back), Harper, Brunt, Burke, (striker)

I have included Zohore as it appears that the deal is done pending a medical. If we were to also sign Pereira then I would assume he will start ahead of Edwards.

This leaves 4 gaps to fill:
right back (to replace Nyom, who looks to be leaving)
full-back (probably another right back if we are sticking with Townsend as Gibbs' back-up)
centre-mid
striker

All of those are areas we know we need to strengthen anyway. I have just read that we are also interested in Vincent Jansson who has never delivered at Spurs but might be a good buy in the Championship provided his wages aren't too high. Should at least be an upgrade on HRK.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Kieran Gibbs
« on: May 28, 2019, 04:16:37 PM »
I wouldn't be so eager to let Gibbs go. It took us light years to find a decent footballing left back. I would be looking to offload others before him.

I disagree, we had Marek Cech but refused to play him over Robbo. We later had Sebastien Pocognoli who looked very good when he played but was disused by Pulis due to being an actual full back.

Admittedly, we have had our fair share of dross there also; Tininho, Shorey, Mattock, Ridgewell, Popov (I'm sure I'm forgetting some).

I like Gibbs and would like him to stay, but if we're serious about this "rebuild" we need to be looking ahead and at least getting someone in who can come through and replace him as he heads into his 30s, as I'm not convinced by Townsend and we'll need at least 2 anyway.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Fixtures
« on: May 16, 2019, 09:24:26 PM »
I can't remember if what round we go into for the League Cup but the first round is w/c 12th August.

We'll be in the first round. Pretty sure Prem teams start in the second unless they're in Europe, in which case they start in the third. Could be wrong though.

I'm sure it's normally straight after the first league game (i.e. league starts Sat/Fri and league cup starts Tues) but obviously not this year.

Hull away first game of the season as that would mean it would definitely be a Saturday 3pm kick off and I could have a good drink as I wouldn't have to drive!

Weirdly my immediate hunch was Hull and I have no idea why. Seem to remember playing them at the Hawthorns first day one season and a certain John Hartson scored 2 on his debut.

I reckon Hull (h) first game and Preston (a) last game.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Kyle Bartley
« on: May 15, 2019, 12:34:11 AM »
I have to say, despite how poor he's been pretty much every time he's played this season, Bartley had a very good game tonight, both defensively and with the ball at his feet.

If he can play like that with any sort of consistency I wouldn't be averse to having him in the team next season, particularly with the Dawson and /or Hegazi likely to leave. (If they do leave, Bartley will be the only CB remaining in our squad who has played at all this season).

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Team
« on: May 14, 2019, 10:08:59 AM »
4-1-4-1:
                           Johnstone

Holgate       Dawson          Hegazi        Gibbs

                               Field

Phillips         Johansen         Brunt        Edwards

                            Rodriguez

or

4-2-3-1:
                           Johnstone

Holgate       Dawson          Hegazi        Gibbs

                    Field           Johansen

         Edwards         Phillips           Montero

                            Rodriguez


Subs pretty much pick themselves in both. Wouldn't have Morrison in the squad, nor Harper as he seems disinterested. I'd have 2 of Bartley, Adarabioyo, Mears and Townsend (doesn't matter who as I don't really rate any of them). Hoolahan would be in there and probably a couple of the youngsters.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: May 07, 2019, 03:07:04 PM »
Let's look at the cheap options.

Hodgson at the time was reportedly earning "considerably more than any of his predecessors" now one needs to be careful about making comparisons with the recent past such is the nature of English football wage inflation but in relative terms he could not have been described as cheap.

Let's look at dumb and dumber aka as Pulis and Pardew. We were paying them £40k a week a piece plus we paid at least some of their contracts off when fired them, anyway you want to cut it neither were remotely cheap. To put it into context they would have probably in the top 30 best paid coaches in European football, earning more than their Premier League counterparts including Howe Dyche Wagner and  Hughton among others.

In a broader context taking that salary out of the completely bonkers world of English football where too little talent attracts far too much money few if any coaches earned anywhere near that outside the other top 5 leagues and none of those that did were at clubs that didn't have European football. To really highlight the absurdity Sari in his last year at Napoli earned considerably less than £2m.

Finally do you think that any European club would hire either Pulis or Pardew as coach at even less than a quarter of what they were paid at the Albion? Most wouldn't employ them as a match day steward for free.

They were quick fixes to paper over the cracks but the one thing they weren't were cheap and in the long run they have cost us a lot more than some relatively "cheap options" might have done.


My key point being that it makes no difference who the coach is if we are just going to throw them into the same broken environment then we can expect pretty much the same outcome.

I think this goes to show how, just like British players, British managers (along with foreign managers established over here) are hugely overpriced for the returns you get from them.

Whilst I appreciate our board are unlikely to have the collective brains to realise there are 196 countries we could recruit from other than our own, it does seem to be that our best chance of getting value for money would be hiring a young, ambitious manager from overseas who wants to prove himself in the English league.

Additionally, I would imagine we are a more attractive proposition to these types of managers/coaches than we are to similar managers already over here, given our current off-field issues. An unknown guy from a foreign league has a lot less to lose in taking the Albion job than someone already doing a decent job over here jumping ship to join us.

That said, I fully expect us to make a hash of this appointment, just like we have of the last 5 or 6. It would just be nice for us to show a bit of bottle and take a chance on someone who isn't one of the same old names.

One final note: I'm not sure if this is the right thread for it, but in our current set up (i.e. the one we've had since Di Matteo came in) is the DoF more important than the head coach? When Dan Ashworth was here I always saw him more as our "manager" than anybody else, with the idea being that he was largely in charge of player recruitment and was there to see continuity when the coaches were changed. I don't really see the (largely anonymous) Luke Dowling as being this guy so do we need a change at DoF as well as a new coach or to hire a more traditional manager?

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General Football & Sports / Re: Ex Players Thread
« on: May 07, 2019, 12:45:40 PM »
Did they lose their play off game then?

Lost after surrendering home advantage after the Southern League/FA made a balls-up with the fixtures following an investigation into one of the other play-off teams.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Ex Players Thread
« on: May 07, 2019, 12:33:08 PM »
Gary Hackett stepped down as Stourbridge manager on Sunday after 16 years in the post.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: April 02, 2019, 12:13:58 PM »
I’m becoming more convinced by the no show of a new manager yet, we were hoping for Wagner and because of his HTFC contract conditions we’re trying to hold out til the summer now.. with odds of 22/1 tempting

Some of the odds might appear long as bookies often say that if a caretaker remains in charge for 10 games they are considered the new manager for the purposes of the betting market.

This might be why Shan's odds are short and possible summer recruitments are long (e.g. Wagner) - even if we don't make the play-offs (highly unlikely now anyway) Shan will have been in for 10 games if he's given until the end. Wagner can't take over this season so 22/1 would only come in if someone other than Shan were to see this season out.

Basically, don't read too much into the odds for "permanent" manager and be careful if odds look tempting.

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