[SmethDan]

I'm sorry to say this, but you lost any objectivity when it comes to Bartley a long time ago, baggie82.

In '82s defence it might be worth a look at page one of this thread to get his Leeds supporting mate's view of Bartley and his own subsequent feelings thereafter.

Meanwhile given his misgivings I'd love to know what's happened to Bartley's game over the last four seasons to make him our best centre back too (that particular pearler comes a few pages back  ).

[wbako]

In '82s defence it might be worth a look at page one of this thread to get his Leeds supporting mate's view of Bartley and his own subsequent feelings thereafter.

Meanwhile given his misgivings I'd love to know what's happened to Bartley's game over the last four seasons to make him our best centre back too (that particular pearler comes a few pages back  ).

I suggest that the Leeds supporting friend is a pretty good judge of a footballer.

I shudder at the thought of how many goals Bartley has cost us in his 150 games with us.

[Groovephil]

Just take a moment to look at the two last games this guy has played in if you want to know just how far we have fallen.

A defender so out of time in the modern game it’s staggering. All he can do is head the ball and even then you’ve no idea where it will go.

Absolute garbage.

[TAFKATMNo1Fan]

The amount he points in general I wouldn't be surprised if he accidentally pointed to his hamstring.

Took my mate to the Blues game and in the first half he commented "is Bartley just pointing to say 'look where I shanked my header to'.

The sad thing is I think his pointing/shouting is seen as good organisation and that has meant his continued selection way beyond when it should've been stopped. He was a liability in the Bilic promotion season.

And the season before under Big Dave

[zippyandbungle]

The amount he points in general I wouldn't be surprised if he accidentally pointed to his hamstring.

Took my mate to the Blues game and in the first half he commented "is Bartley just pointing to say 'look where I shanked my header to'.

The sad thing is I think his pointing/shouting is seen as good organisation and that has meant his continued selection way beyond when it should've been stopped. He was a liability in the Bilic promotion season.

He’s pointing to the noise, he clearly can’t see 😎

[baggie82]

Just take a moment to look at the two last games this guy has played in if you want to know just how far we have fallen.

A defender so out of time in the modern game it’s staggering. All he can do is head the ball and even then you’ve no idea where it will go.

Absolute garbage.

His second yellow was as soft as anything. Afoebe threw himself to the floor and the referee was very obliging. All that after their centre back Hutchinson had elbowed Bartley in the first half and he was playing on with a nasty cut and closed eye, like a boxer.

He was our best player today, won everything in the air, was calm on the ball and closed down the opposition well. He is also the best centre back at the club by some distance - yet there is a section of fans that have decided to hate him and are just irrational regardless if he plays well or poorly.

[OldburyWBA]

His second yellow was as soft as anything. Afoebe threw himself to the floor and the referee was very obliging. All that after their centre back Hutchinson had elbowed Bartley in the first half and he was playing on with a nasty cut and closed eye, like a boxer.

He was our best player today, won everything in the air, was calm on the ball and closed down the opposition well. He is also the best centre back at the club by some distance - yet there is a section of fans that have decided to hate him and are just irrational regardless if he plays well or poorly.

Why is criticism always seen as hate?

I don't rate the bloke, I certainly don't hate him though and if you think he is the best centre half at the club thats fine, all about opinions.

[baggie82]

Why is criticism always seen as hate?

I don't rate the bloke, I certainly don't hate him though and if you think he is the best centre half at the club thats fine, all about opinions.

Criticism for sub-par performances is fine.

Bartley played well today and yet I see posts referring to him as absolute garbage and along with demands that his contract is terminated - so let's not pretend there isn't an undercurrent of loathing that isn't reflective of his actual performance.

[OldburyWBA]

Criticism for sub-par performances is fine.

Bartley played well today and yet I see posts referring to him as absolute garbage and along with demands that his contract is terminated - so let's not pretend there isn't an undercurrent of loathing that isn't reflective of his actual performance.

Again, how is that hate? Maybe you are the one reading too much into it.

[baggie82]

Again, how is that hate? Maybe you are the one reading too much into it.

It is difficult to generalise - of course we have fans who don't rate Bartley who aren't irrational about it and fair enough to them, but we also have a few that give him pelters even when he plays well and try to lump him into the into Zohore zone that he is is devil reincarnated. I was impressed with both him and Pieters today.

[baggiejohn]

Why is criticism always seen as hate?

I don't rate the bloke, I certainly don't hate him though and if you think he is the best centre half at the club thats fine, all about opinions.

The criticism on this forum is mostly measured, thanks to you & the mods, however, the comments on social media are really hatefull, almost scary.
I'm not sure I'd want to be part of West Bromwich Albion FC right now.

[Atomic]

Bartley summed up:

Facing towards the Millwall goal he has a free header and heads it where?  .... oh naturally, out for a corner

He then has a header at goal and heads it with his eye re-opening a cut.

He then gets sent off for pulling the striker down because he got too close to him.

Baggie22 whatever you are drinking can you let me know please? I could do with hallucinations to get me through the rest of the week.

[baggie82]

Bartley summed up:

Facing towards the Millwall goal he has a free header and heads it where?  .... oh naturally, out for a corner

He then has a header at goal and heads it with his eye re-opening a cut.

He then gets sent off for pulling the striker down because he got too close to him.

Baggie22 whatever you are drinking can you let me know please? I could do with hallucinations to get me through the rest of the week.

  Bartley was a soldier today - yes he shanked a couple of headers from the countless number of times he won the ball.

[throstle]

He was man of the match up to the point when he was sent off. He took a nasty elbow above the eye in an incident which of course was ignored by the useless referee. It was a stand out performance for good reasons until he undid it all.

[DevonInStripes]

So once again his error , ie getting sent off , cost us . A recurring theme over his far too many seasons here .

[baggie82]

So once again his error , ie getting sent off , cost us . A recurring theme over his far too many seasons here .

You have to blame the keeper for their winner - I'm still struggling to believe he let that shot in.

[WBArgo]

So once again his error , ie getting sent off , cost us . A recurring theme over his far too many seasons here .

I'm not a huge Bartley fan (he's often error prone) but he was hard done by today by an incompetent referee. First half he gets elbowed in the face with no recourse, second half he gets sent off for nothing. The refs the past two games have been woeful.

[wbako]

It's only fair I give Bartley some credit as I am one of his main detractors. I thought he was pretty solid today until his sending off.

That said, his stupidity cost us again.

[KingKoren]

Actually thought he was one of the best performers today. Won everything in the air like he usually does, but then calamity Kyle shows his true colours and picks up a pointless red card ultimately costing us the game.

[LiamTheBaggie]

Having a good performance is no bloody use if you're going to get yourself sent off when we needed him most.

I'm just surprised there was not more arm waving when given his marching orders. Surprised he didn't blame the bloke next to him either.

[Groovephil]

4 out of 10 in the Express & Star. Generous I thought.

[lewisant]

I didn't see the game so I can't comment on his performance. The issue though is that there is ALWAYS a problem. He can play well but then get sent off, score own goals, misjudge the flight of the ball, pass to the opposition. It's happened over and over and over and it was a soft sending off but he's on a yellow and Afobe shows his experience and Bartley shows his level.

Ajayi improved under  Bruce but is often similar.

[gazberg]

Bartley was fairly solid but his foul on their player that got him sent off was simply daft.  No attempt to even hide the foul and what makes it worse is every man and his dog knew the ref was looking to help Millwall where he could so made it twice as daft.

As people have said, generally decent at this level but as hot headed as Livemore, Moloumby etc at the same time

[Sted1990]

Made a big difference tonight. Don’t play a silly high line and he’s our best defender.

[DevonInStripes]

Still managed another booking .