[VANDERLEI]

I hope you are right. Will be an excellent signing.

I agree mate, he's exactly the type of player we are missing.

[tylerm]

Just read that we have offered 3.5 million with add ons taking it to 4 million but QPR want 5 million
This is what frustrates me about WBA just pay the money-its not a fortune and on to the next one before someone else beats us to it

[KnaveofAlbion]

Just read that we have offered 3.5 million with add ons taking it to 4 million but QPR want 5 million
This is what frustrates me about WBA just pay the money-its not a fortune and on to the next one before someone else beats us to it

See the above convo mate.

£1million is a decent chunk of money. It's about 1% of our turnover i think and the "just get it done" approach is what Wolves, Blues & Villa did. They laughed at us for being "cheap" and missing out on people because we wouldn't bend and look where they are and where we are.

I'd love us to buy 4 or 5 exciting players and have a team on paper who could be a top half challengers, but i'd rather we were still Prem 3 years from now.

[baggie_liam]

They won't want £5m for him with the fact being Blackpool will be entitled to a % of the fee. QPR will sell for less that £5m, Blackpool fans don't want him going for over that amount either because it will just go into the oyston pockets.
I think someone, hopefully us, will get him for around £4.2-.4.5m

[Mister AT]

Its all good saying just pay the extra £1million, but if we do that with all the summer signings (on average 5 players) thats 5 million pound which could effectively be another player for a team like us.

When players like Ritchie and the like are going for upwards 10/11 million, spending 4 million on Phillips could be an absolute steal.

[RuncornBaggie]

Just read that we have offered 3.5 million with add ons taking it to 4 million but QPR want 5 million
This is what frustrates me about WBA just pay the money-its not a fortune and on to the next one before someone else beats us to it

£1 million is a massive amount of money!  Just think for a minute what you could buy for that amount of money! 

[SmethDan]

£1 million is a massive amount of money!  Just think for a minute what you could buy for that amount of money!

2 x David Mills  .

[WBAinDEVON]

£1 million is a massive amount of money!  Just think for a minute what you could buy for that amount of money!

most of us wouldnt need to work again

[barham87]

£1million is a decent chunk of money. It's about 1% of our turnover i think and the "just get it done" approach is what Wolves, Blues & Villa did. They laughed at us for being "cheap" and missing out on people because we wouldn't bend and look where they are and where we are.

That's how we have missed out on quality players such as Cresswell, Antonio and Bony(at Vitesse Arnhem).

[tylerm]

£1million is a decent chunk of money. It's about 1% of our turnover i think and the "just get it done" approach is what Wolves, Blues & Villa did. They laughed at us for being "cheap" and missing out on people because we wouldn't bend and look where they are and where we are.

That's how we have missed out on quality players such as Cresswell, Antonio and Bony(at Vitesse Arnhem).

I agree-we may well get him for 4 in the end but watch out for the howls of protest if we lose out because West Ham/Stoke come on no and just pay 5 and get the deal done in a day

[weareblueweare white]

£1 million is a massive amount of money!  Just think for a minute what you could buy for that amount of money!

It is to us, but in football it's a drop in the ocean

[dangerman]

£1million is a decent chunk of money. It's about 1% of our turnover i think and the "just get it done" approach is what Wolves, Blues & Villa did. They laughed at us for being "cheap" and missing out on people because we wouldn't bend and look where they are and where we are.

That's how we have missed out on quality players such as Cresswell, Antonio and Bony(at Vitesse Arnhem).

Cast your mind back to Wolves relegation season. Masses of Albion fans moaning because we hadn'tspent millions on a certain Roger Johnson instead we went for some guy called Gareth McAuley.

Guess who the better player was/is?

Spending money doesn't automatically equal a good player.

[WBArgo]

Cast your mind back to Wolves relegation season. Masses of Albion fans moaning because we hadn'tspent millions on a certain Roger Johnson instead we went for some guy called Gareth McAuley.

Guess who the better player was/is?

Spending money doesn't automatically equal a good player.

By the same logic though, we also missed out on Antonio last year by doing the same negotiation tactics - who would have been a great signing. Besides, £1 million really isn't much in todays market - it's not even got the same value of say 2-3 years back when in footballing terms it would have been worth about £500k (half of what it is now). There's a time and a place but you have to say it's quite a risky game.

[zippyandbungle]

Spending someone else's money is very easy, Liverpool got the Carroll deal done quickly, Chelsea got the veron deal done quickly etc etc

[saltnshake]

Spending someone else's money is very easy, Liverpool got the Carroll deal done quickly, Chelsea got the veron deal done quickly etc etc

Yes but what message does this send out to the player? he must be thinking do they actually want me or not we are talking about a tiny percentage of our income this season, around about the same amount Jenkins was paid in a bonus last season i bet they didn't haggle about that.

[Adder]

We are back for pre-season in a weeks time so surely it would be best to get him in to do the full pre season with us ? Hopefully that's the aim.

[we8seals]

it seems very simple to me. If we really want him and he is a significant piece of the jigsaw that when complete will make us a better team them just pay the bloody money and get the deal done. He will be no better for us if we pay 3mil or 4 mil - we are hardly talking a kings ransom here. Personally i would not go near him but if we want him squeezing the last fifty quid on a deal seems very counterproductive.

[Morany]

We've dragged out an average transfer for 18 months. Meanwhile Palace pay the money for a much better player in Townsend, signed and sorted.

[skyclad99]

We've dragged out an average transfer for 18 months. Meanwhile Palace pay the money for a much better player in Townsend, signed and sorted.

True..... our problem is that to JP every penny is a prisoner, and it leads to us losing quality players because of haggling over a price or wage. I know that we have to be shrewd with our deals, and I would not want us to waste money like some clubs do [particularly when its not theirs], but we are in the Premier, and everything is expensive......you cannot run a Premier league club on a Championship budget.

[Watton...!]

True..... our problem is that to JP every penny is a prisoner, and it leads to us losing quality players because of haggling over a price or wage. I know that we have to be shrewd with our deals, and I would not want us to waste money like some clubs do [particularly when its not theirs], but we are in the Premier, and everything is expensive......you cannot run a Premier league club on a Championship budget.

But we have done for the past 5 years...

[VANDERLEI]

But we have done for the past 5 years...

No, we most definately haven't. What a completely outrageous statement. Look at our wage bill compared to every Championship club and you'll see why your comment is complete nonsense. Our club has been run like a successful business over the last 10 years and have the 14th highest wage bill in the Premier League. Compare our 70 mil wage bill to the clubs in the Championship below and you'll see that your statement is a false one:



Birmingham City
Company name: Birmingham City plc
Owned by: Birmingham International Holdings, a Hong Kong-listed group now in receivership
Turnover: £20.1m (£24.2m)
Pre-tax loss: £5.5m (-£4.1m)
Net debt: Not stated
Total loans: £11.7m
Wages and salaries: £18m


Blackburn Rovers
Company name: Blackburn Rovers Football and Athletic
Owned by: Venky's London Ltd, owned by V H Group, an Indian company with interests in poultry, processed food, animal vaccines and pharmaceuticals
Turnover: £30.4m (£26.9m)
Pre-tax loss: £42.1m (-£36.5m)
Net debt: £79.8m
Wages and salaries: £34.5m


Bolton Wanderers
Company name: Bolton Wanderers Football & Athletic Company
Owned by: Isle of Man businessman Eddie Davies, a self-made millionaire, and Fildraw Private Trust, a company registered in Bermuda
Turnover: £30.6m (£28.5m)
Pre-tax loss: £9.1m (-£50.7m)
Net debt: £182.1m
Wages and salaries: £27.6m

Brentford
Company name: Brentford FC Ltd
Owned by: Matthew Benham, a betting industry tycoon and owner of Danish side FC Midtjylland
Turnover: £3.3m (£3.9m)
Pre-tax loss: £8.7m (-£4.5m)
Net debt: £19.2m
Wages and salaries: £8.9m


Brighton & Hove Albion
Company name: Brighton & Hove Albion Holdings
Owned by: Tony Bloom, a sports bettor and property investor
Turnover: £24m (£23.4m)
Pre-tax loss: £10.6m (-£15.3m)
Net debt: Not stated
Total loans: £62.5m
Wages and salaries:  £18m


Bristol City
Company name: Bristol City Holdings
Owned by: Pula Sport, owned by billionaire and Hargreaves Lansdown co-founder Steve Lansdown
Turnover: £6.1m (9.9m)
Pre-tax loss: £9.5m (-£13m)
Net debt: £25.6m
Wages and salaries: £9.9m


Burnley
Company name: Burnley Football & Athletic Company
Owned by: Chairman Mike Garlick holds a 31.2 per cent stake, while directors including John Banaszkiewicz and Brendan Flood also have shares
Turnover: £19.6m (£15.3m)
Pre-tax loss: £7.9m (-£7.6m)
Net debt: £4.6m
Wages and salaries: £18.8m


Cardiff City
Company name: Cardiff City Football Club
Owned by: Vincent Tan, the Malaysian businessman
Turnover: £79.9m (£14.6m)
Pre-tax loss: £11.7m (-£31m)
Net debt: £81.1m
Wages and salaries: £46.7m


Charlton Athletic
Company name: Charlton Athletic Football Company
Owned by: Staprix NV, a company registered in Belgium, which is 95 per cent owned by Roland Duchâtelet
Turnover: £12.7m (£11.9m)
Pre-tax loss: £5.7m (-£6m)
Net debt: Not stated
Total loans: £44.1m
Wages and salaries: £10.4m


Derby County
Company name: The Derby County Football Club
Owned by: GSE Group and chairman Mel Morris, who has made billions through King Digital Entertainment
Turnover: £20.2m (£15.4m)
Pre-tax loss: £7.1m (-£7.1m)
Net debt: £14.6m
Wages and salaries: £14.5m


Fulham
Company name: Fulham Football Club
Owned by: Shahid Khan, a US-based billionaire who also owns Jacksonville Jaguars in the NFL, via Cougar Holdco London Ltd and Bermuda investment company Big Cat Holdings
Turnover: £91.3m (£73m)
Pre-tax loss: £33m (-£2.7m)
Net debt: £24m
Wages and salaries: £60.4m


Huddersfield Town
Company name: The Huddersfield Town Association Football Club
Owned by:  Dean Hoyle, founder of discount greeting cards chain Card Factory
Turnover: £10.8m (£11.3m)
Pre-tax loss: £6.8m (-£4m)
Net debt: £37.4m
Wages and salaries: £11.8m


Hull City
Company name: Hull City Tigers
Owned by:  Allamhouse Ltd, the business behind the interests of Assem Allam
Turnover: £88.5m (£11.1m)
Pre-tax profit: £9.4m (-£25.6m)
Net debt: £64.8m
Wages and salaries: £38.6m


Ipswich Town
Company name: Ipswich Town Football Club Company
Owned by: Marcus Evans through the Isle of Man-registered Marcus Evans Worldwide Holdings (IOM)
Turnover: £13.6m (£15m)
Pre-tax loss: £7.2m (-£9.8m)
Net debt: £82.4m
Wages and salaries: £13.9m


Leeds United
Company name: Leeds United Football Club
Owned by: Massimo Cellino's Eleonora Sport (75 per cent); Gulf Finance House (21.43 per cent); Leeds City Holdings [75 per cent owned by Eleonora and 25 per cent by GFH] (3.57 per cent)
Turnover: £25.3m (£28.6m)
Pre-tax loss: £20.3m (-£9.4m)
Net debt: Not stated
Total loans: £20.9m owed to GFH Capital; Eleonora Sport is owed £8.4m; Cellino is owed £1.3m; and Eleonora Immobiliaire is owed £2.5m
Wages and salaries: £20.1m


Middlesbrough
Company name: Middlesbrough Football & Athletic Company (1986)
Owned by: Gibson O'Neill Company, which is itself wholly owned by Steve Gibson and Mike O'Neill
Turnover: £12.8m (£14.2m)
Pre-tax loss: £20.4m (-£18.5m)
Net debt: Not stated
Total loans: £76m
Wages and salaries: £14.4m


Milton Keynes Dons
Company name: Milton Keynes Dons
Owned by: InterMK Group Ltd, which is wholly owned by Pete Winkelman.
Turnover: £4.4m (£5.3m)
Pre-tax loss: £1.7m (-£2.5m)
Net debt: Not stated           
Total loans: £10.3m
Wages and salaries: £3.5m

Nottingham Forest
Company name: NFFC Group Holdings
Owned by: Fawaz Mubarak Abdulaziz Al-Hasawi and Abdulaziz Mubarak Al-Hasawi
Turnover: £16.5m (£15.4m)
Pre-tax loss: £23.9m (-£8m)
Net debt: £46.1m                       
Wages and salaries: £24m


Preston North End
Company name: Preston North End Ltd
Owned by: Wordon Group, a company incorporated in the Isle of Man and controlled by the family interests of Trevor Hemmings
Turnover: £6.1m (£5.8m)
Pre-tax profit: £16.4m (-£1m)
Net cash: £590,000
Wages and salaries: £5.7m


Queens Park Rangers
Company name: Queens Park Rangers Football & Athletic Club
Owned by: Tune QPR, registered in Malaysia and owned by Tony Fernandes, Kamarudin Bin Meranun and Ruben Emir Gnanalingam (66 per cent);  and Sea Dream, the family holding of Lakshmi Mittal (33 per cent)
Turnover: £38.7m (£60.6m)
Pre-tax loss: £9.8m (-£65.4m)
Net debt: £179.6m
Wages and salaries: £66.4m


Reading
Company name: Reading Football Club Ltd
Owned by: GPT Football Investment and GPT UK Investment, owned by Narin Niruttinanon (50 per cent); RFC UK Investment owned by Sasima Srivikorn (25 per cent); Universal UK Investment, owned by Sumrith Thanakarnjanasuth (25 per cent)
Turnover: £38.1m (£59.3m)
Pre-tax loss: £7.3m (-£2.3m)
Net debt: £47.1m
Wages and salaries: £30.1m


Rotherham United
Company name: Rotherham United Football Club (RUFC) Ltd
Owned by: ASD Lighting Holdings, owned by Tony and Joan Stewart (88 per cent); Brian Becket, Ronald Hull and Lelsie Wilson (3.92 per cent each)
Turnover: £11m (£7.1m)
Pre-tax profit: £167,212 (-£477,023)
Net debt: Not stated
Total loans: £172,000 owed to ASD
Wages and salaries: £4.8m       


Sheffield Wednesday
Company name: Sheffield Wednesday Football Club
Owned by: Dejphon Chansiri, whose family controls the Thai Union Frozen Group, the world's largest producer of tuna
Turnover: £13.9m (£14.9m)
Pre-tax loss: £5.6m (-£3.7m)
Net debt: £11m
Wages and salaries: £11.1m


Wolverhampton Wanderers
Company name: W.W. (1990) Ltd
Owned by: Redrow founder Steve Morgan through Bridgemere UK plc
Turnover: £32.6m (£32.1m)
Pre-tax profit: £8.5m (-£33.1m)
Net funds: £7m
Wages and salaries: £17.9m

[section5]

wow a post backed up with fact
how much debt are we currently in do you know vanderlei?

[Mister AT]

Slightly off topic - but after looking at those stats, who are the big earners in that Cardiff squad? Massive wage bill for a team in the championship when you look at the other figures they have a higher wage bill than Hull and co.

Off the top of my head cant think of any Cardiff players who should be warranting large wages?

[VANDERLEI]

wow a post backed up with fact
how much debt are we currently in do you know vanderlei?

We are debt free mate.

West Bromwich Albion

Accounts of West Bromwich Albion Football Club Ltd for the year to 30 June 2015

• Ownership Majority owned by the chairman, Jeremy Peace

• Turnover 17th highest in League £96m, up from £87m in 2014

• Income Gate income £8m; Merchandising £3m; TV and broadcasting £77m; Commercial £8m

• Wage bill 14th highest in League £70m, up from £65m in 2014

• Wages as proportion of turnover 73%

• Profit before tax £4m, following £13m profit in 2014

• Net debt £0

• Interest payable £0

• Highest-paid director Unnamed, £1.119m (Jeremy Peace is the executive chairman)

[skyclad99]

Thank you Vanderlei - very informative!