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« Reply #1850 on: August 12, 2023, 01:59:21 PM »
If he's apologised for his red card then fair play. We are all human

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« Reply #1851 on: August 12, 2023, 09:14:45 PM »
I’m not sure he’s a fan of our youth
If Taylor and TGH are no better than what was on show today they need to leave on loan
I’m not sure how Ingram played against Stoke but the same applies

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« Reply #1852 on: August 18, 2023, 08:44:12 PM »
Anyone else just bored with this? It’s such strange football imo

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« Reply #1853 on: August 18, 2023, 09:46:49 PM »
Anyone else just bored with this? It’s such strange football imo

No. I’m board of our board, scouting network and transfer “strategy.”
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« Reply #1854 on: August 18, 2023, 09:48:16 PM »
Can I just say we’ve seen these lads without Corberan, as recent as last season. It wasn’t great.

In my humble, he is not the problem.
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« Reply #1855 on: August 18, 2023, 10:06:14 PM »
His love for some of our poor players is truly odd. Chalobah first, now Pieters who has cost us 2 goals and 2 points in 2 games. Hopefully we don't see Pieters start next game.

He's also obsessed with getting these clunky players to play football from the back. We are awful at it.  We don't have the type of player we need for it.

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« Reply #1856 on: August 18, 2023, 10:13:12 PM »
His love for some of our poor players is truly odd. Chalobah first, now Pieters who has cost us 2 goals and 2 points in 2 games. Hopefully we don't see Pieters start next game.

He wants to play a mid block and be able to play out of the back, Bartley isn't suited, Taylor too perhaps so Kipre and Ajayi are the two who can but as a pair, they're too vulnerable defensively. He therefore goes with Pieters as a lefty who can play this style but obviously isn't his ideal as he hasn't started the season or played much pre-season.

Corberan just doesn't have the players he needs to play the style. Hopefully we can make a couple of moves in the last couple of weeks of the window.

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« Reply #1857 on: August 18, 2023, 10:14:11 PM »
He wants to play a mid block and be able to play out of the back, Bartley isn't suited, Taylor too perhaps so Kipre and Ajayi are the two who can but as a pair, they're too vulnerable defensively. He therefore goes with Pieters as a lefty who can play this style but obviously isn't his ideal as he hasn't started the season or played much pre-season.

Corberan just doesn't have the players he needs to play the style. Hopefully we can make a couple of moves in the last couple of weeks of the window.

We all agree on that so why persevere until you can get what you want.

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« Reply #1858 on: August 18, 2023, 10:16:40 PM »
His love for some of our poor players is truly odd. Chalobah first, now Pieters who has cost us 2 goals and 2 points in 2 games. Hopefully we don't see Pieters start next game.

He's also obsessed with getting these clunky players to play football from the back. We are awful at it.  We don't have the type of player we need for it.
His love for some of our poor players is truly odd. Chalobah first, now Pieters who has cost us 2 goals and 2 points in 2 games. Hopefully we don't see Pieters start next game.

He's also obsessed with getting these clunky players to play football from the back. We are awful at it.  We don't have the type of player we need for it.

Pieters was good last year so to call 2 games a love in seems harsh to me.
Chalobah I agree, hasn’t done well but was a good player not that long ago, Chelsea then Watford but seems he’s lost that edge he had then. And he’s not alongside Kante anymore!

I would like to see us keeping it more simple at the back. I hope we can sign a RB and CB and if we don’t, keep it simple please.
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« Reply #1859 on: August 18, 2023, 10:16:59 PM »
We won most of our games when he came in keeping it simple in a 4231. Why we’ve now decided to play the tedious football we do is beyond me.

This set of players are only equipped to do the basics.

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« Reply #1860 on: August 18, 2023, 10:18:17 PM »
He wants to play a mid block and be able to play out of the back, Bartley isn't suited, Taylor too perhaps so Kipre and Ajayi are the two who can but as a pair, they're too vulnerable defensively. He therefore goes with Pieters as a lefty who can play this style but obviously isn't his ideal as he hasn't started the season or played much pre-season.

Corberan just doesn't have the players he needs to play the style. Hopefully we can make a couple of moves in the last couple of weeks of the window.

I don't think Bartley is too different in his passes/play on the ground compared to Pieters - so I would gladly swap him in for Pieters for the next game as he's way better in the air. To me, it looked like Kipre was our main passer at the back tonight, followed by Ajayi. At this point, I don't see why Bartley isn't in the back three.

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« Reply #1861 on: August 18, 2023, 10:18:48 PM »
Pieters was good last year so to call 2 games a love in seems harsh to me.
Chalobah I agree, hasn’t done well but was a good player not that long ago, Chelsea then Watford but seems he’s lost that edge he had then. And he’s not alongside Kante anymore!

I would like to see us keeping it more simple at the back. I hope we can sign a RB and CB and if we don’t, keep it simple please.

2 games costing us 2 goals is a love in relative to the people he refuses to select.

Fully agree keep it simple. These players will improve if he reverts. It's clear they are not comfortable and it seems to me that CC does not have full confidence in them either

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« Reply #1862 on: August 18, 2023, 10:23:55 PM »
We won most of our games when he came in keeping it simple in a 4231. Why we’ve now decided to play the tedious football we do is beyond me.

This set of players are only equipped to do the basics.


Totally agree with this.

Corberan is over complicating things and asking the players to play a way they are not comfortable with. He's not going to be given time to build a project, no matter what, head coaches aren't these days.

We don't have the players at the club at the moment to play the way he wants to play in defence, in midfield and probably not up front either. It's going to take several transfer windows to fix that and we have no money so how is that going to happen?

Go back to basics Carlos.

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« Reply #1863 on: August 18, 2023, 10:25:33 PM »
2 games costing us 2 goals is a love in relative to the people he refuses to select.

Fully agree keep it simple. These players will improve if he reverts. It's clear they are not comfortable and it seems to me that CC does not have full confidence in them either

We have different ideas of what love in means then.

A concern is we didn’t play any of pre season with a back 3 - did we? Let’s get back to 4231 433 and sometimes keep it simpler.
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« Reply #1864 on: August 18, 2023, 10:34:13 PM »
Thought we should have been beating Blackburn, but 4 points from 3 games is about par in terms of points give our start. If were to beat Boro you’d have to say it’s a pretty good start.

I do have reservations about CC though and I don’t think this way of setting up will work longer term. Can’t really be too disappointed with the points so far as I said though.

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« Reply #1865 on: August 18, 2023, 10:34:39 PM »
We have different ideas of what love in means then.

A concern is we didn’t play any of pre season with a back 3 - did we? Let’s get back to 4231 433 and sometimes keep it simpler.

Fully agree with keeping it simple as already said.

CC can have success here again IF he gets over his footballing ideal and gets back to basics.

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« Reply #1866 on: August 18, 2023, 10:40:30 PM »
I understand the shift in football tactics the passing from the back being the in thing however clubs like Man City etc have the resources to choo , change, and adapt . We are dealing with centre halves who we signed from Rotherham , Wigan and a player released by Stoke they simply haven’t got the skill set required to carry out the managers requirements on a consistent basis they just aren’t capable .

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« Reply #1867 on: August 18, 2023, 10:53:52 PM »
Why’s everyone criticising playing out from the back? It worked fine. Their goal came from a cross and header.

Just down right bizarre our fans are sometimes.

If you don’t think a player can pass the ball from A to B then I have no words really. Just waiting for someone to mention Graeme Jones…

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« Reply #1868 on: August 18, 2023, 10:55:05 PM »
I understand the shift in football tactics the passing from the back being the in thing however clubs like Man City etc have the resources to choo , change, and adapt . We are dealing with centre halves who we signed from Rotherham , Wigan and a player released by Stoke they simply haven’t got the skill set required to carry out the managers requirements on a consistent basis they just aren’t capable .

What do you suggest then? Boot it forward? Then you'd be moaning the football is rubbish to watch, like a lot did under Ismael.

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« Reply #1869 on: August 18, 2023, 11:03:55 PM »
No. I’m board of our board, scouting network and transfer “strategy.”
I said on the aftermatch that despite it being evident that the coach is over a set of players that is going backwards and are visibly shattered …Lai would get the blame

Point proven .
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« Reply #1870 on: August 18, 2023, 11:08:21 PM »
What do you suggest then? Boot it forward? Then you'd be moaning the football is rubbish to watch, like a lot did under Ismael.

My point is a general one and an observation of the players he has at his disposal .  I’m happy with a point personally and we move onto next week .

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« Reply #1871 on: August 18, 2023, 11:09:30 PM »

Totally agree with this.

Corberan is over complicating things and asking the players to play a way they are not comfortable with. He's not going to be given time to build a project, no matter what, head coaches aren't these days.

We don't have the players at the club at the moment to play the way he wants to play in defence, in midfield and probably not up front either. It's going to take several transfer windows to fix that and we have no money so how is that going to happen?

Go back to basics Carlos.
If I were conspiracy minded
If the coach wanted out but the “going to Leeds” ship has sailed and no one else is willing ….but you signed a new improved contract and wanted out
Would you walk
Or would you engineer the tik tak ?
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« Reply #1872 on: August 18, 2023, 11:17:13 PM »
If I were conspiracy minded
If the coach wanted out but the “going to Leeds” ship has sailed and no one else is willing ….but you signed a new improved contract and wanted out
Would you walk
Or would you engineer the tik tak ?
What the bloody hell is wrong with sone people…we’re 3 games in….3 games. We have 4 points. For God sake, have a bit of kop on

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« Reply #1873 on: August 18, 2023, 11:22:28 PM »
Why’s everyone criticising playing out from the back? It worked fine. Their goal came from a cross and header.

Just down right bizarre our fans are sometimes.

If you don’t think a player can pass the ball from A to B then I have no words really. Just waiting for someone to mention Graeme Jones…

Darnell Furlong anyone?

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« Reply #1874 on: August 18, 2023, 11:26:44 PM »
What the bloody hell is wrong with sone people…we’re 3 games in….3 games. We have 4 points. For God sake, have a bit of kop on
You can manoeuvre statistics to suit

We are 3 league games in to this season
We are 4 games in
We are many games in to Corberan reign

How long do we think it takes a coach to implement his ideas on a team…I don’t think it’s an overnight or quick process ,so I believe it’s fair to say that the new bounce we had when he joined was a combination of players being relived that Bruce had gone then some momentum / adrenaline and they were playing for starting berths

You can say it’s 3 games but the truth is we have been on a very bad downward spiral of form since the back end of last season and we don’t really look like stopping it do we ?
If youre going to get told off, get told off for doing something not for doing nothing..