[Baggiee_Boyy_Benn]

Who has asked for him out? Nobody from what I can see.

But there are some justifiable criticisms.

9 defeats in the last 12 away games now…

If you’re still blaming all the managers prior to CC and him for results and not the players then they have pulled the wool over your eyes again. How Carlos motivated this group to go 10 in a row last season is outstanding. The mental strength of these players are of a wafer.

[Blowee]

CC like any Head Coach is not above criticism. However, I believe in sticking with his plan and in trusting him to get us moving in the right direction. It’s clear that the club currently can’t back him in the transfer market. I hope that at least a couple more loan signings will come in to give him a fighting chance this season. Last night, Stoke were able to field a changed side with 6 new signings we had 1 new player making a substitute appearance and mainly younger inexperienced or older past their best players in our team. Almost whatever happens this season I really hope we don’t panic and press restart with yet another coach who has to form a team out of this squad.

[graka]

I was expecting a raft of changes last night but not a change of formation
I thought CC was all about high energy and intensity and coaching them so they are well drilled to know what he expects from players in each position
Is he getting desperate by changing formation
Is this fixation with playing from the back suitable for us with our current squad
It cost Darren Moore his job
Firstly I would like defenders who can defend, if they are comfortable on the ball that’s a bonus
Let’s face it our full backs and most of our defenders have proved over many seasons now they are poor so how can he expect them to miraculously transform overnight
We are down to the bare bones squad wise I’m not sure how many more we can ship out and how much wiggle room we have wage wise to let CC bring a couple of players in
We needed another striker and we now have one once he’s fit, we needed creativity and we now have someone who again once fit will improve us
What we need are 2 new full backs and a no nonsense centre half and a leader at the back
Ingram is in the last year of his contract and no longer a kid, how did he play last night?
Could he replace furlong?
At left back why let Ashworth go without a run in the team?
If he’s deemed to be not good enough why give Pieters a new deal instead of looking to get left back cover or ideally a new left back or does CC rate Townsend which if he does worries me
I can honestly see this coming to a head in a couple of months with one outcome

[Groovephil]

For me we ended last season very poorly and the worry is we’ve started this one with the exact same issues. Can’t really score and pose zero threat, whilst at the back it’s individual mistake after individual mistake.

I like CC and understand the issues he’s working under but I can’t accept that other clubs are able to solve their issues with less budgets.

I fully expect us to be nowhere near the top 6 this year but we shouldn’t be in a relegation battle also. We’ll have a clue come 10 games but so far it’s a very uneasy watch.

[gazberg]

Graka - I didn't see the game but Ingram was one of the bright lights according to Chapman

[graka]

Graka - I didn't see the game but Ingram was one of the bright lights according to Chapman

Thanks. I think the modern fullback is all about pace and athleticism but firstly I like mine to be able to defend
It’s so important to the centre halves to not have to keep looking to cover that area aswel and concentrate on there own job
I think full back is one area you can integrate youth, whereas centre halves and goalkeepers tend to learn there trade through experience that’s why I think retaining Taylor and Griffiths for a few more years is imperative
I would definitely look to loan both out if deemed not ready even if that meant us loaning in another goalkeeper or signing an older head on a short term deal to allow this
I’m disappointed we haven’t addressed the left back issue
For me Townsend is a massive weak link defensively

[Albion79]

Corberan is having to shuffle the same pack.

This will be the third different manager in three preseasons for a lot of these players, some it will be their sixth manager in six seasons, all managers have different ideas.

At some point there has to be somebody allowed time and patience to build something, personally i hope that is Corberan, he is young, he is bright, he is forward thinking, but the worry would he chooses to leave us.

Of course he will make mistakes but at the moment i am not sure else he can do, said before he will gladly get rid of all three centre backs but as it stands nobody wants them, that says a lot.

Problem is very few of our players have actually improved in their time at the club, they are now either in their peak years or on the down side of the peak, so thats what he has to work with, until they are replaced not much will change but shipping all of them out takes times.

O'Shea missed the end of last season and it showed, he has obviously since been sold so thats easily our best out and out defender not played for ages and we havent replaced him, Dike has been out since the end of last season too, he could be frustrating but he was an outlet and a threat and again we havent replaced him yet, we are playing without a proper centre forward.

Two key positions that we are just bodging about with, the squad is stale and needs revamping but to start with freshening up, we can say about formations, tactics, etc but a number of these players have tried every single system going under various coaches and never really mastered it, its the players not the manager who are the issue.

Until the window closes we dont really know what he has been able to clear out and bring in, thats the position we are now in, we dont get to dictate things anymore, CC then has a couple of weeks during the international break to bed them in so i dont think we will see whats what properly til after then, i think its going to be a tough few weeks leading upto that and i just hope he doesnt get too frustrated and walk.

[Albionic]

I can see a scenario where once the window closes and we don't get the players he wants he decides to call it quits and joins another team mid season and leads them to great heights

its now known as doing a Lopetegui  (snigger)

[baggie82]

We have 45/46 games left to play and a lot of transfer business in and out to sort out over the next three weeks before the manager is sure which players he has to work with. That is why I find attempts to draw conclusions on the manager and the job he is going churlish and self-indulgent at this stage - save for critiquing the specific early season match performances and results.

I'm off to watch Oppenheimer later which is a 3 hour film. Imagine watching the first 3 minutes of that and then attempting to critique the movie directors performance 

It should not have surprised anyone that we changed the formation last night. The manager is renowned for constantly changing his tactics with multiple formations to target the weaknesses of the opposition, which usually involves different team shapes in the same game. When he was at Huddersfield he changed the formation so often that opposition managers found scouting them impossible to learn anything.

Is this going to be the first season in four years in which we end the season with the same coaching staff who started the season? I would like to think so but cannot have any faith in the boardroom or section of fanbase not to turn on the team unfortunately.

[OldburyWBA]

We have 45/46 games left to play and a lot of transfer business in and out to sort out over the next three weeks before the manager is sure which players he has to work with. That is why I find attempts to draw conclusions on the manager and the job he is going churlish and self-indulgent at this stage - save for critiquing the specific early season match performances and results.

I'm off to watch Oppenheimer later which is a 3 hour film. Imagine watching the first 3 minutes of that and then attempting to critique the movie directors performance 

It should not have surprised anyone that we changed the formation last night. The manager is renowned for constantly changing his tactics with multiple formations to target the weaknesses of the opposition, which usually involves different team shapes in the same game. When he was at Huddersfield he changed the formation so often that opposition managers found scouting them impossible to learn anything.

Is this going to be the first season in four years in which we end the season with the same coaching staff who started the season? I would like to think so but cannot have any faith in the boardroom or section of fanbase not to turn on the team unfortunately.

Without turning the thread into Film 2023 i'm sure someone walked out after about 21 minutes (may have been a bit longer) or something and then criticised the Director last week

[Atomic]

Without turning the thread into Film 2023 i'm sure someone walked out after about 21 minutes (may have been a bit longer) or something and then criticised the Director last week

Stop going off topic Pihil.

Naughty, very naughty. 

[OldburyWBA]

Stop going off topic Pihil.

Naughty, very naughty. 

Slapped wrist accepted   

[Atomic]

Slapped wrist accepted   

 

Shame I can't spell Phil. 

[KN22]

Albion 79, an excellent post from you.

With this squad of players, over the last 2 seasons, the exceptions to the rule have been the 2 good runs of results (Ismael and Corberan) The norm, sadly, is the kind of run we ended last season with. As said already, at least CC is working hard to get rid of those who have continually disappointed, and to replace them with better. It takes time, not to mention the commodity that we do not have: Money.

[Gilsey 56]

I don’t think some fans actually realise how bad the situation is, we are selling players and having loans just to be able to run the club and pay people’s wages, but eh let’s get rid of another manager, who is probable the best of the lot.

[LiamTheBaggie]

I don’t think some fans actually realise how bad the situation is, we are selling players and having loans just to be able to run the club and pay people’s wages, but eh let’s get rid of another manager, who is probable the best of the lot.

Nobody has suggested getting rid of the manager..

The current incumbent, like all those before him, and all those after him is allowed to be criticised.

[Atomic]

I don’t think some fans actually realise how bad the situation is, we are selling players and having loans just to be able to run the club and pay people’s wages, but eh let’s get rid of another manager, who is probable the best of the lot.

Show me the actual evidence that he is " best of the lot".

We all know the financial situation but that doesn't stop us finding a winning formula. Look at Luton, Sunderland, Coventry last season.

Excuses are for losers. Sorry, I know its not nice and it's not PC but it's a brutal world.

[Hull Baggie]

Show me the actual evidence that he is " best of the lot".

We all know the financial situation but that doesn't stop us finding a winning formula. Look at Luton, Sunderland, Coventry last season.

Excuses are for losers. Sorry, I know its not nice and it's not PC but it's a brutal world.

to be fair he did say "Probable best of the lot".

[KYA]

Football, great to have it back isn't it , I really don't see the point in complaining after every game the club atm is up the creek without a paddle if you class yourself as a supporter now is the time to get behind the team and manager they need the fans more than ever. Corberan is a young ambitious manager who is probably busting a gut to get a tune out of the motley crew that is our first team squad.
You want a new manager be careful what you wish for.

[Jordie1471]

Football, great to have it back isn't it , I really don't see the point in complaining after every game the club atm is up the creek without a paddle if you class yourself as a supporter now is the time to get behind the team and manager they need the fans more than ever. Corberan is a young ambitious manager who is probably busting a gut to get a tune out of the motley crew that is our first team squad.
You want a new manager be careful what you wish for.

Couldn't agree more with you.

I've gone into this season with no expectations of a top 6 finish (I have no desire to be promoted back to the toxic greed league regardless)

If the club avoids relegation, avoids administration and gives me some good entertaining matches along the way to watch win or lose then I will consider this to be as good a result as I could reasonably hope for.

If what I fear will happen in that fans start calling for Corberans head due to a (in my view) bizarre and unfounded notion that we should be in the top 6 this season, i'll be pretty disheartened

[robnewbold]

I think we should stick with Corberan come what may. He certainly has proven ability in getting blood out of a stone and transforming dross into winners.
He is in a pretty rubbish position, as we all are thanks to our owner and the total lack of investment  and interest .He wanted 7 he has gotten 2, lets hope we can persuade a few more guys to come on loan or as free agents, in the next couple of weeks.
If anyone can turn it around he can, and he needs time, because believe me even a miracle from JC at the moment probably wouldn't work.

[Dan]

Corberan is fine, we will likely finish around mid table or so with him, which is probably a bit higher than the team quality.

The club has little chance to move forward under the current ownership, that needs to change, and then the backroom staff of the club needs to be ripped out root and stem and replaced with competent people. As it is the club has a ownership who couldn't care less and a job for the boys mentality of the behind the scenes staff. Till the point that is all replaced the best we can hope for is stumbling on a good manager like Corberan who can stop things getting too bad on the pitch.

Ideally we would have a employed a semi-competent Director of Football who at least could have kept the ship sailing without the owners but currently the club is a complete directionless mess, no point saying look at clubs like Coventry and Luton when they are backed up by clever backroom staff working to clear plans.

[alex1]

Think he deserves credit for correctly identifying Livermore, Grant, Button, Rogic and Zohore as players who were not going to be of much use in the future.

[alwaysbilly]

Think he deserves credit for correctly identifying Livermore, Grant, Button, Rogic and Zohore as players who were not going to be of much use in the future.

And there will be another half a dozen in CCs list he just hopes will be moved on by the deadline  - he must be concerned with what might come in though, if anything at all

[robnewbold]

Think he deserves credit for correctly identifying Livermore, Grant, Button, Rogic and Zohore as players who were not going to be of much use in the future.

In fairness every single Albion supporter also identified this as well. What Carlos did was take action to his credit.