[boinging_along]

It can only be down to CC if their positions have changed which rules out Swift and Johnston they have basically been doing the same but not so well . The drop off could also be down to having different personnel around them e.g Maja ,who wants the ball played to feet as he doesn’t/ can’t run in behind , and not BTA who’d run like Duracell bunny so you could play different sort of passes

The first point I sort of agree with, but it makes a difference who is playing alongside them.  If they're not receiving the ball in dangerous areas they're not going to create much. Molumby and Mowatt is out best CM pairing but they're not exactly progressive.  Mowatt is often sat too deep and Molumby makes a crab look more creative than De Bruyne.  Trouble is, when we don't play those two, then we get over run. 

The second point - well, that's CC's decision so I would say that isn't down to the players, that's down to the manager.

[hardtobeat]

I think it was a financial not a footballing managerial decision to sell BTA . The goals Maja has scored justify playing him but does give us other problems

[robnewbold]

If he is gone by January then we will become relegation contenders by March.

[gazberg]

If he is gone by January then we will become relegation contenders by March.

The maths isn't mathing for me. I don't think anyone is saying he will get us relegated this season

[Atomic]

If he is gone by January then we will become relegation contenders by March.

Sorry but that's absolute rubbish unless we appoint an absolute idiot. This squad should be finishing top six.

[hardtobeat]

Sorry but that's absolute rubbish unless we appoint an absolute idiot. This squad should be finishing top six.

Based on what ?

[zac]

Sorry but that's absolute rubbish unless we appoint an absolute idiot. This squad should be finishing top six.

It should be finishing top 6, and we have been pretty much there for what seemed like all of last season and the majority of this season which is why my opinion is changing at the moment is a none starter. On the other hand i am not like others who seem to think we're not allowed the criticise him. The line up at Preston i understood due to their height and the aerial duels won but the subs i thought to put it bluntly were a bit of a joke. I also still can't get over him not bringing on Cole instead of Wallace to play upfront.

If reports are true about how close we are to the line of breaching PSR then paying off a manager is the last thing we need to be doing. Someone may correct me if i'm wrong but it seems like we would have to sell an asset to fund getting rid of him and his coaching staff, i wonder how many would let for example Fellows go if it meant a new head coach?

You can see he has changed it in recent weeks with the shape and some of the draws in isolation are good results but Preston along with Oxford and Blackburn off the top of my head were games where we really should be putting teams to the sword and we just didn't and i'm not sure whether thats down to the tactics, the players or a bit of both. He's never going to be an exciting manager who plays free flowing football and that for some fans will never be good enough as football is entertainment and when you are not winning, issues arise.

Regardless of my thoughts results have to improve quickly. I'm not sure what the record was under Bruce but if he got 12 points from 12 games then i think the entire fan base would be up in arms. He has money in the bank with me and probably other fans but that is dwindling.

[gazberg]

If CC got fired by end of December and he maintains his recent PPG until then we would be on 34 points with around 45-50 points needed for survival.

Who on earth are we appointing that could get this squad relegated from there? Bruce is at Blackpool and his mate Ron is no longer here either.

[baggies_24]

Have been listening to Albion analysis and I agree with the guys on there I think Carlos is going to go back to basics and I think the football is about to become very stale. For his sake he needs to pick up results if we play this way as if we start loosing & the football gets more tedious his position is going to become untenable.

We do look very imbalanced at the moment, when we open up & attack teams we look very vulnerable to conceding at the other end of the pitch (Norwich, Cardiff, Shef Weds to name a few) to counter this Carlos has set the team up with a more cautious approach but then we loose any attacking threat going forward.

Yokuslu has been a big miss & a player we didn’t properly replace in the summer, I’d start giving Diakete a chance at defensive midfield as see if the lads started adjusting to the speed of championship football, that would allow us to push Mowatt further forward & either drop a swift / Diangana or have Maja drop deeper and play a 10 role with Grant running in behind.

[darbolina]

Spot on Baggies 24 - we've massively missed Yokuslu. A classy player who could break up play and help the team play out from the back. Look at City after losing Rodri - I'd put losing Yokuslu in the same bracket for us in terms of impact to the team. The replacements have not (unsurprisingly) been able to fill the void.

It will take a change or formation and set up I think for Carlos to turn this around - I hope he does it as he's been the best thing to happen to the club for a long while but even he is not immune from criticism the longer the performances don't pick up. I think he's on the right lines with three at the back but needs to stick with it and properly bed in wing backs and try to fit in all of the forward players - some of who have not been at it (Swift, Diangana, Johnston) and maybe replace Dobbin  in Jan for a proper striker try to get the best out of Fellows again. Tough job but I'm not sure who else we could attract would be better without plenty of time! 

[robnewbold]

Sorry but that's absolute rubbish unless we appoint an absolute idiot. This squad should be finishing top six.

If we are utterly idiotic enough to sack this coach, i cannot see anyone around good enough to take over the reins and transform this  team of misfiring misfits into promotion contenders given the massive disruption his going would cause.

[kanu]

If we are utterly idiotic enough to sack this coach, i cannot see anyone around good enough to take over the reins and transform this  team of misfiring misfits into promotion contenders given the massive disruption his going would cause.

Of course there’s someone out there good enough. Nestor will already have a list. He helped Bologna get to champions league, he’ll have a tidy little shortlist of new managers I’d guess. And let’s not forget these ‘misfiring misfits’ are misfiring because of CC. I’d like him given longer but the football and results suggest he won’t get it.

[timdon]

Sorry but that's absolute rubbish unless we appoint an absolute idiot. This squad should be finishing top six.

I mean, it's not like we have any history of appointing absolute idiots.

[hardtobeat]

By sacking CC we would be ruling out signings in January and quite possibly it could lead to a points deduction for financial breaches this in turn would have a knock on effect on succeeding years including wages , transfers and budgets in general. We’ve just had one narrow escape from administration we do not want to be going down that path again

[zippyandbungle]

By sacking CC we would be ruling out signings in January and quite possibly it could lead to a points deduction for financial breaches this in turn would have a knock on effect on succeeding years including wages , transfers and budgets in general. We’ve just had one narrow escape from administration we do not want to be going down that path again

I’ve seen this mentioned a few times,so the questions are
If getting rid of Carlos would cost us that much and put us in breech

A) do we actually believe that the board won’t do anything if the average points over a 10-15 game run hits 1.0-1.2 points per game
B) how did we actually turn down over 12m for fellows
C) how did we /why did we sign Johnstone

[KN22]

Sorry but that's absolute rubbish unless we appoint an absolute idiot. This squad should be finishing top six.

Would truly like to know why the squad is rated so highly. Serious gaps in key areas for me.

[NJS]

 ... likewise.  My view is that the likes of Frabotta, Racic etc were necessary to build up squad depth to a practical level given the number of injuries and suspensions one might expect.  There wasn't the money to get sure-fire winners. 

Most on here were enthusiastic about acquiring Johnston (there were but a few exceptions).  His ability to take players on has not reappeared this season (injury hangover?) and his ability to make a telling pass at the end of his dribbles was demonstrably inconsistent.

Mowatt is doing fine where he is, I don't think he's pacey enough to play further up the pitch.  Swift ditto.  Maybe Styles could play more advanced.

Diakite may be injury prone - that wouldn't be the first time we hired someone like that.  I hope his purpose won't be to keep Di[a]k[it]e company in the  treatment room.

Financial constraints mean a mediocre squad.  CC is doing well with them.  I hope he tries a couple of youngsters in the cup - we've no chance of winning it.

[Groovephil]

He’s doing and has done an amazing job.

But he has to look at his in-game management, this is the only part where he is falling short.

I seriously don’t want the club to change him, the options for our level will be awful.

[robnewbold]

... likewise.  My view is that the likes of Frabotta, Racic etc were necessary to build up squad depth to a practical level given the number of injuries and suspensions one might expect.  There wasn't the money to get sure-fire winners. 

Most on here were enthusiastic about acquiring Johnston (there were but a few exceptions).  His ability to take players on has not reappeared this season (injury hangover?) and his ability to make a telling pass at the end of his dribbles was demonstrably inconsistent.

Mowatt is doing fine where he is, I don't think he's pacey enough to play further up the pitch.  Swift ditto.  Maybe Styles could play more advanced.

Diakite may be injury prone - that wouldn't be the first time we hired someone like that.  I hope his purpose won't be to keep Di[a]k[it]e company in the  treatment room.

Financial constraints mean a mediocre squad.  CC is doing well with them.  I hope he tries a couple of youngsters in the cup - we've no chance of winning it.

This in spades to be honest. The squad was built up to cover as best possible. We had to sell two of our best players due to a bleak financial situation and we are left with a weakened squad which is currently misfiring but still in touch. CC has done a great job with what he has and replacing him would make matters a hundred times worse then they are now.

[Baggie79]

A bit pointless arguing, this ownership aint sacking CC full stop. He would have to make his own position untenable before they even consider it, a few too many draws and lengthy unbeaten runs are not going to get him sacked, not even close.

For the club this season was always about surving any financial bans and putting a competitve team out at the same time, nobody apart from a few fans getting carried away expected us to get promoted. If the club spend in the summer and Carlos had the players he wants and he was then not getting the results then thats a different situation but for now he is 100% here to stay.

He is not perfect but probably the best manager we could attract to come to the club at this moment in time.

[iwastherein68]

I never hoped for, expected , or even desired promotion this season, but wins against only Stoke, Swansea and the bottom 4 teams in the league, is not good enough.
Much improvement is required or he will be sacked

[Hull Baggie]

I never hoped for, expected , or even desired promotion this season, but wins against only Stoke, Swansea and the bottom 4 teams in the league, is not good enough.
Much improvement is required or he will be sacked

They weren't bottom 4 when we beat them though.
As 79 says, Corberan won't be sacked this season..the owners have said that we are in for a difficult transitional period and fans need to be patient ( good luck with that) and that Corberan is a part of that.

[BaggiePhil]

Figures from Transfermarkt,

https://www.transfermarkt.com/championship/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/GB2/plus/0?ids=a&sa=&saison_id=2022&saison_id_bis=2024&nat=&pos=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0

show expenditure related to transfers from season 23/24 until now, that we are 25th out of 30 teams on the level of expenditure. We spent in this period 4.7m euros. Burnley spent 161m euros Birmingham 41m euros and Cardiff over double our expenditure. Despite this we are 7th.

It is widely accepted that expenditure goes hand in hand with league position. Clubs with higher spending tend to have bigger squads, more expensive signings, and arguably better depth. So, when we are 7th despite spending so little, it speaks volumes about tactical efficiency, coaching, and other factors beyond just the size of the transfer budget.

What do fans expect? If Pep had the lowest spend in the Prem do you think they would win the league most years? CC job his hard enough. Its Lai that fans should be inebriated with not CC.

Maybe fans would prefer if our season ticket prices matched some of the teams above us, giving us more spending potential. Only Burnley’s are cheaper. I suspect there would be even more gripes if management decided to do that.

[iwastherein68]

They weren't bottom 4 when we beat them though.
As 79 says, Corberan won't be sacked this season..the owners have said that we are in for a difficult transitional period and fans need to be patient ( good luck with that) and that Corberan is a part of that.

No comfort from that mate, as it stands they are the worst teams in the league, and despite a couple of the scorelines we did'nt beat any of them "comfortably" IMVHO

[Hull Baggie]

Figures from Transfermarkt,

https://www.transfermarkt.com/championship/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/GB2/plus/0?ids=a&sa=&saison_id=2022&saison_id_bis=2024&nat=&pos=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0

show expenditure related to transfers from season 23/24 until now, that we are 25th out of 30 teams on the level of expenditure. We spent in this period 4.7m euros. Burnley spent 161m euros Birmingham 41m euros and Cardiff over double our expenditure. Despite this we are 7th.

It is widely accepted that expenditure goes hand in hand with league position. Clubs with higher spending tend to have bigger squads, more expensive signings, and arguably better depth. So, when we are 7th despite spending so little, it speaks volumes about tactical efficiency, coaching, and other factors beyond just the size of the transfer budget.

What do fans expect? If Pep had the lowest spend in the Prem do you think they would win the league most years? CC job his hard enough. Its Lai that fans should be inebriated with not CC.

Maybe fans would prefer if our season ticket prices matched some of the teams above us, giving us more spending potential. Only Burnley’s are cheaper. I suspect there would be even more gripes if management decided to do that.

I agree with all that however it doesn't mean that I can't criticise Corberan for the playing style at the moment, or the fact that he subs off Maja and replaces him with a winger/wide forward when there is a centre forward/striker on the bench. His subs affect our shape and nullify our attacking intent.

No comfort from that mate, as it stands they are the worst teams in the league, and despite a couple of the scorelines we did'nt beat any of them "comfortably" IMVHO

maybe no comfort for you, but they weren't the worst sides in the league when we beat them.

I thought we beat Plymouth quite comfortably, we were a lick of paint away from being 3 or 4 up at half time.
Against Swansea we should have had 3 or 4 with Fellows and Racic missing easy chances...Racic missed 2 easy chances.

Whether we comfortably beat someone is meaningless in regards to the result, I'd argue in the 2 games we've lost we weren't comfortably beaten either so it's swings and roundabouts really.