[Aztech]

Corberan is by miles the best option available to us- he’s working miracles with a very limited squad and budget- expectations are completely unrealistic owing to our fast start.

We don’t have a squad capable of dictating games and we lost our standout midfielder (Yokuslu) in the summer. Central midfield looks very average and we don’t have a striker that the ball sticks to to get us up the pitch.

Changing manager won’t do a thing, this squad has limitations- lots of them.

January will need to be very smart busines to get us into the Top 6 in May, but really we need another summer on our backs to rotate some of the squad out and add the quality we need.

Well said.

[buzzingbaggie]

Have you watched us the last 7 games !dire

Yes, as well as the 60 something prior. 

[zac]

Top 6, lightened the wage bill, players appear happy with CC, yep Patel must be chomping at the bit to sack him.

Every interview he does he talks about what an asset CC is, the thinking that he sacks him after a little bad run like this is comical in my opinion.

Tonight would have been a good point any other time but with drawing games against teams like Cardiff, Millwall, Oxford and Blackburn obviously some aren't going to be happy. The team looks low on confidence but i trust him to turn it around again.

Sacking a manager when we have lost 2 all year and currently sit in the play offs would be crazy. I seem to remember another club not far from us doing that, wonder how that worked out? Think they were playing Mansfield last week.

[WBArgo]

Corberan is by miles the best option available to us- he’s working miracles with a very limited squad and budget- expectations are completely unrealistic owing to our fast start.

We don’t have a squad capable of dictating games and we lost our standout midfielder (Yokuslu) in the summer. Central midfield looks very average and we don’t have a striker that the ball sticks to to get us up the pitch.

Changing manager won’t do a thing, this squad has limitations- lots of them.

January will need to be very smart busines to get us into the Top 6 in May, but really we need another summer on our backs to rotate some of the squad out and add the quality we need.

I mentioned this a few weeks ago, Yokuslu was AWESOME for us. Someone replied by saying "but he was tired after 60 minutes". Yes he was, but in those 60 minutes he could easily win games in the middle. Arguably, our full 90 minutes are akin to those games after he came off.

Whatever way you look at it, he is a huge loss.

[paulosull]

Shocking stat came up during game 67 corners for us this season with no goals scored. What are they doing on training ground?

[Atomic]

Corberan is by miles the best option available to us- he’s working miracles with a very limited squad and budget- expectations are completely unrealistic owing to our fast start.

Comments like this irritate me. There are thousands of coaches out there they are all over the world and a good number of them are better than Carlos Corberan. Sure there are a lot who are an awful lot worse as well but people coming out with well worn cliche's and talking as if Carlos is in some sort of 1% club is getting increasingly annoying.

I don't want Carlos sacked, not yet, at least. I want him to turn things round but he needs a win and soon.

He's done a good job through a difficult period for us over the last couple of years but whether he's the right man to take us to the next level, I'm not convinced.

[graka]

He has credit in the bank but only so much.
I accepted megsons football and scrappy 1-0 wins because we had limited footballers who gave there all
However some of the ream selections are baffling to probably 95% of us
Diakite has been bombed out after a poor half at Sheff wed where the selection of him and Racic was odd
Mowett makes us tick but can’t run so needs molumby next to him
The selection of diangana and Wallace or coming from the bench continually when neither has done anything all season says a lot about cc opinion of Dobbin
I’d like to see styles in midfield or at least given a chance
Cole hardly getting a look in when we have no other striker is odd
I’m hoping a scrappy win is around the corner which may give us a boost in confidence because our overall displays recently are bottom half
He deserves time to try and change things if he starts picking players on performances not past reputations

[bangkokbaggie]

Every interview he does he talks about what an asset CC is, the thinking that he sacks him after a little bad run like this is comical in my opinion.

Tonight would have been a good point any other time but with drawing games against teams like Cardiff, Millwall, Oxford and Blackburn obviously some aren't going to be happy. The team looks low on confidence but i trust him to turn it around again.

Sacking a manager when we have lost 2 all year and currently sit in the play offs would be crazy. I seem to remember another club not far from us doing that, wonder how that worked out? Think they were playing Mansfield last week.

We may still be in the playoffs but the worrying aspect is that based on current form we are 20th which of course is just above the relegation places.

[colinmax]

 By mistake I started  a post in the aftermatch debate of the Cardiff match but as the Administrater has not moved it there have been no comments despite 93 views.
 The subject was poor use of free kicks and corners.Yesterday against Luton in the forty second minute we had a free kick a couple of yards inside our own and after 2 kicks it was back with Palmer rather than in Luton's half.
 Why doesn't Carlos ban this utter waste of a good position?

[Albionic]

I wonder if the loss of form and  the coinciding departure of Michael Hefele from the coaching staff is significant !

I don't know how much influence Hefele had but he left to take up a head coach role so someone thought he is good enough to make a difference.

Could it be that CCs success was in fact dependant upon Hefele s contribution?

[Mo]

I wonder if the loss of form and  the coinciding departure of Michael Hefele from the coaching staff is significant !

I don't know how much influence Hefele had but he left to take up a head coach role so someone thought he is good enough to make a difference.

Could it be that CCs success was in fact dependant upon Hefele s contribution?

We were having this discussion on the way to the game last week as I pointed out Coventry don’t seem to be the same side since their assistant manager left in the summer . What I do know about Hefele is he had a big personality and character . We seem to be lacking that at the moment it’s very intense in the dug out sometime having someone who picks things up a bit can make a big difference .

[TAFKATMNo1Fan]

I wonder if the loss of form and  the coinciding departure of Michael Hefele from the coaching staff is significant !

I don't know how much influence Hefele had but he left to take up a head coach role so someone thought he is good enough to make a difference.

Could it be that CCs success was in fact dependant upon Hefele s contribution?

I'd say no as Carlos got Huddersfield to 3rd and a play off final without him
He's also not a head coach now he's a no 2

[zippyandbungle]

Corberan is by miles the best option available to us- he’s working miracles with a very limited squad and budget- expectations are completely unrealistic owing to our fast start.

We don’t have a squad capable of dictating games and we lost our standout midfielder (Yokuslu) in the summer. Central midfield looks very average and we don’t have a striker that the ball sticks to to get us up the pitch.

Changing manager won’t do a thing, this squad has limitations- lots of them.

January will need to be very smart busines to get us into the Top 6 in May, but really we need another summer on our backs to rotate some of the squad out and add the quality we need.

There was a time when Wenger was the best option for Arsenal
All things change and this is a business more so now than a form of entertainment.

[zippyandbungle]

I'd say no as Carlos got Huddersfield to 3rd and a play off final without him
He's also not a head coach now he's a no 2

The truth is it’s very hard to know or evaluate .

[Baggie79]

CC has 100% made some mistakes but I think the major difference this season is that he lost the only two players who could progress the ball up the pitch quick enough to break teams down in Kipre and Okay. Along with them being progressive and willing to take the ball in tight areas they were brilliant defensively.

You can all the best forwards you want but if there is nobody to get the ball to them they arent going to win you many games.

[CL3MO]

CC has 100% made some mistakes but I think the major difference this season is that he lost the only two players who could progress the ball up the pitch quick enough to break teams down in Kipre and Okay. Along with them being progressive and willing to take the ball in tight areas they were brilliant defensively.

You can all the best forwards you want but if there is nobody to get the ball to them they arent going to win you many games.

Really good post and couldn't agree more. I like bits of Racic's game but he is nowhere near, at the moment, Yokuslu's level from a defensive point of view.

[OldburyWBA]

By mistake I started  a post in the aftermatch debate of the Cardiff match but as the Administrater has not moved it there have been no comments despite 93 views.
 The subject was poor use of free kicks and corners.Yesterday against Luton in the forty second minute we had a free kick a couple of yards inside our own and after 2 kicks it was back with Palmer rather than in Luton's half.
 Why doesn't Carlos ban this utter waste of a good position?

I have moved it to the set pieces thread -

https://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=28890.0

[hardtobeat]

A thought not a reason or excuse but I wonder if CC has been distracted with the tragedy unfolding around Valencia which is very much his home region !?

[baggiejohn]

By mistake I started  a post in the aftermatch debate of the Cardiff match but as the Administrater has not moved it there have been no comments despite 93 views.
 The subject was poor use of free kicks and corners.Yesterday against Luton in the forty second minute we had a free kick a couple of yards inside our own and after 2 kicks it was back with Palmer rather than in Luton's half.
 Why doesn't Carlos ban this utter waste of a good position?

I can see why the ball was routed back to Palmer
A launch forward direct from a free kick way out from goal is pretty predictable, routing it back to Palmer gives the players time to move the opposition around, however..........
Palmer's distribution yesterday was dreadful.

[zippyandbungle]

A thought not a reason or excuse but I wonder if CC has been distracted with the tragedy unfolding around Valencia which is very much his home region !?

Whilst the whole situation is Spain is horrible and concerning,in real terms it is the last week or so …so I wouldn’t say it’s affected the last 6-8 games .

[zippyandbungle]

CC has 100% made some mistakes but I think the major difference this season is that he lost the only two players who could progress the ball up the pitch quick enough to break teams down in Kipre and Okay. Along with them being progressive and willing to take the ball in tight areas they were brilliant defensively.

You can all the best forwards you want but if there is nobody to get the ball to them they arent going to win you many games.

You can have all the best forwards…playing them might help
Or you can revert to Wallace and Diangana which surely makes arguments in favour of the coach more difficult ?

[johnny Cash]

I didn’t think there was much chance CC could be in trouble this year, but no win in 7 and the current performances does put him in some IMO. Whatever the thoughts on the squad and certain players, I think most (if not all) would agree it should be capable of better than it’s showing at present

Bruce was sacked after 13 matches, with 1 win, 4 loses and 8 draws. A return over 13 games that pretty much every supporter felt completely unacceptable.    With the way things are going and our run of fixtures, I wouldn’t be surprised if CC has a similar 13 game return after the next 6 games. CC has far more credit in the bank and it’s different owners, but the pressures only going to increase

[BagAlbion123]

Been CC in... but starting Wallace and Diangana is a sackable offense I am afraid.

But did absolutely nothing and if he bloody play them again on Thursday sack him on the spot.

Sick of seeing Wallace he's like a bloody pensioner and Grady less said about him the better, cost us the po's & CC is still bloody playing him!!!!!!

[baggiebof]

I do understand why people feel the way they do, but I'm not really seeing anything too concerning or vastly different from any other part of Corberan's reign.

Most of the time under Corberan we have been strong defensively, which we currently are, whilst not being a great attacking force. Our strength lay in scoring at the right time and shutting games down - especially at home. Sure, the recent drying up of goals is particularly bad but in some of those games, especially a couple of the home ones, we have created enough chances to score. A couple of goals, a couple of wins, and it would be all so different. We have always been a fine margins team under Corberan, even at the start of this season, so don't believe the hysteria is warranted.

I also think the Mikey Johnston and Mason Holgate deals, along with the fast start, have raised expectations beyond where they should be. Whilst our squad depth has seemingly improved this year, our first XI I don't think is stronger and prior to the Johnston and Holgate business, I certainly was predicting a top half finish but to fall short of the playoffs. Those deals made me believe we could make the top 6, which I still believe, but I don't think we should forget those pre-season expectations when looking at our current reality.

I think we do have a lack of confidence currently and of course, there are valid criticisms of some of the selections etc. Like many others, I'd revert to the midfield and attacking line up to start games that brought us joy in those first 5 or 6 games. However I have confidence in Corberan and what he is doing and things would have to get really bad, like the players downing tools, for me to even consider thinking a change would be right. I've seen some really good arguments on here, particularly from Atomic who suggested that Corberan may be a better suited coach to retaining Premier League status than getting automatic promotion, which I think might be true but whilst we don't have the talent advantage on the pitch compared to other teams in this league, a manager like Corberan is probably our best bet.

[zippyandbungle]

I do understand why people feel the way they do, but I'm not really seeing anything too concerning or vastly different from any other part of Corberan's reign.

Most of the time under Corberan we have been strong defensively, which we currently are, whilst not being a great attacking force. Our strength lay in scoring at the right time and shutting games down - especially at home. Sure, the recent drying up of goals is particularly bad but in some of those games, especially a couple of the home ones, we have created enough chances to score. A couple of goals, a couple of wins, and it would be all so different. We have always been a fine margins team under Corberan, even at the start of this season, so don't believe the hysteria is warranted.

I also think the Mikey Johnston and Mason Holgate deals, along with the fast start, have raised expectations beyond where they should be. Whilst our squad depth has seemingly improved this year, our first XI I don't think is stronger and prior to the Johnston and Holgate business, I certainly was predicting a top half finish but to fall short of the playoffs. Those deals made me believe we could make the top 6, which I still believe, but I don't think we should forget those pre-season expectations when looking at our current reality.

I think we do have a lack of confidence currently and of course, there are valid criticisms of some of the selections etc. Like many others, I'd revert to the midfield and attacking line up to start games that brought us joy in those first 5 or 6 games. However I have confidence in Corberan and what he is doing and things would have to get really bad, like the players downing tools, for me to even consider thinking a change would be right. I've seen some really good arguments on here, particularly from Atomic who suggested that Corberan may be a better suited coach to retaining Premier League status than getting automatic promotion, which I think might be true but whilst we don't have the talent advantage on the pitch compared to other teams in this league, a manager like Corberan is probably our best bet.

It’s very disappointing when people start throwing words around like “hysteria”
I’ve not seen anyone on here be hysterical in their approach on evaluating the current position?
You speak about “fine lines” and you are correct that is the game and what decisions are made on.
We haven’t won in 7 games,it matters now the expectation pre season ,we cannot possibly sustain our current rate of form and allow the manager to stay in position…and I don’t think we will.
You have also put that you feel he is the best we could get,there are so many coaches about who actually knows who would be better/worse …all I can say is that you would be very hard pushed to find another coach or a fan that thought starting Diangana and Wallace at Luton was a good idea ?
I think he is stubborn and is now almost locked in a fight with himself to prove he is right/in charge …which his why he his picking his favourites….which is fine if you honestly believe that they can get you out of the mess .
The 2 best players at Blackburn were mulumby and McNair ,one he was forced to pick ,one he dropped for the next game .
The 3 best players on Friday were Hagen,Holgate,Styles IMO…and again he had to play them in the positions they were in
He keeps persisting with Racic,Diangana,Wallace and everyone can see it’s not happening.
That’s not hysterics,it’s just a very simple observation.