[alex1]

The other thing to note is that it sometimes take time for a team to gel and for individual players to improve their game. I've seen players who at first sight seemed rubbish, who turned out to be very good players.

Of course not all players will improve, and over a certain age, you can be pretty sure that's as good as they will ever get. However, the younger ones especially, may turn out to be integral parts of a succesfull team if they are taught good habits and they are disciplined enough to work at their game. 

So, I'm not against Carlos trying to coach good habits and build a team along with his principles.

[baggie82]

We have too many players who are not anything but mediocre championship standard . That together with an unwillingness for Ian Pearce do actually do what’s he’s paid for means that promotion this season is beyond us .

Should be recognised that this season is arguably the toughest yet to get promoted. For the first time in a long time all three new PL teams survived last season which means the relegated clubs as a trio are collectively stronger than usual. Then for good measure, Luton, an underdog got through the play-offs, leaving other championship clubs with far more resources to try again.

I would guess there are 10-12 clubs this season with greater financial fire power than Albion, which puts the size of the task into perspective. Ultimately I think Lai was a naive halfwit not to throw the kitchen sink at promotion at the first attempt. That is when we had a real chance to get back up and we didn't commit to the job - we tried as usual to do it on the cheap and it backfired big time. A serious club would have kept Bilic & Pereira and looked to build, we spread our cloth far too thin.

[Albionic]

. A serious club would have kept Bilic & Pereira and looked to build,

As my old man would have said theres the rub

[BB74]

I can sadly see CC being under a bit of pressure come late Autumn if we are not 10th or above.

[Albionic]

All depends on situation around sale,

[KN22]

I can sadly see CC being under a bit of pressure come late Autumn if we are not 10th or above.

The man needs to be afforded time. If the club doesn't understand by now that constantly chopping and changing achieves nothing, then words fail me. Oh and by the way, he is also a very good coach in my opinion.

[WBArgo]

Realistically, if we got rid of Corberan then who would come in and do a better job at the moment? Obviously if he went on a Steve Bruce-esque run then fair enough. But it's literally one game in where he had a stinker with the first 11. I will judge him after 10 games.

[MarkW]

This season is going to be painful. Given the contracts that are expiring, I would be minded to keep Coberan unless we're at real risk of relegation after say, 15 games. And even then I wouldn't be quick to pul the trigger.

We know this squad is ageing, we know it's got some players who need to be moved on, who aren't pulling their weight. So let's keep the manager who cares about this club, and shift the players who don't.

[robnewbold]

One game in and 'Corberan Out' emerges from the swamp.

[KN22]

One game in and 'Corberan Out' emerges from the swamp.

Yes, ridiculous isn’t it.

[robnewbold]

Welcome to the club Carlos

Good luck

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/carlos-corberan-appointed-albion-head-coach

You are going to need it in spades this season mate.

[JMullen95]

Glad he tried a back 3 tonight but why not give it a go in pre season. Makes no sense at all. I also think we’ve gone massively down hill since Hefle came in as coach.

[liverbaggie]

Massively down hill mate crikey what do you expect from a guy who knows what he needs and knows what he wants but cant afford them hes doing his very best im 100% behind him, who else would you suggest can do a better job in the circumstances? You dont know anyone do you?

[OldburyWBA]

Massively down hill mate crikey what do you expect from a guy who knows what he needs and knows what he wants but cant afford them hes doing his very best im 100% behind him, who else would you suggest can do a better job in the circumstances? You dont know anyone do you?

We're not going to start the name game on here, Carlos is here and until the day he goes we won't be naming any names of future managers.

He is a good coach but he needs to adapt to what he has and get what he can out of them rather than wait until he gets what he wants to play how he wants.

[mikehy]

Out his depth

[Blowee]

Just think his options are so limited. He spoke after the game of needing to rely on the likes of Pieters and Bartley this season. It doesn’t fill me full of hope. Surely we can bring in a couple more younger loan players to lift what looks like a very jaded and flat squad.

[TAFKATMNo1Fan]

I can see a scenario where once the window closes and we don't get the players he wants he decides to call it quits and joins another team mid season and leads them to great heights

[Canmore Baggie]

I can see a scenario where once the window closes and we don't get the players he wants he decides to call it quits and joins another team mid season and leads them to great heights

Particularly if he starts getting grief from fans.
Like many have said, let's give him 10 games or so before we jump to conclusions...

[hunsletbaggie]

i like Carlos but he is trying to play a system that doesn't suit the defensive options he has got and ultimately it will be his downfall but i'm really hoping i am wrong.

[beechyboy90]

Think he is playing games to show that he doesn't have any players or what we do have isn't good enough.

He axed Livermore. Rogic he didn't renew (sure other managers would have kept him on reputation) he's ensured we got Grant out. He got rid of a gk coach under performing. He has gotten rid of button. He's still trying to get rid of Diangana and others. We need to give him time on this project. Nobody else has had any mettle to get rid of all the deadwood. (And we have loads probably 75% of the playing staff is reality aren't good enough o4 grossly overpaid for what they contribute- or both)

[LiamTheBaggie]

One game in and 'Corberan Out' emerges from the swamp.

Who has asked for him out? Nobody from what I can see.

But there are some justifiable criticisms.

9 defeats in the last 12 away games now…

[baggie82]

Who has asked for him out? Nobody from what I can see.

But there are some justifiable criticisms.

9 defeats in the last 12 away games now…

Does the league cup even count? I’m happy we are out.

I also really dislike bolting results from one season onto another. In that case lets bolt in the last 15 years….and hey presto, we are successful again!

The real league, which is what counts shows one defeat, after one game.

As for the fan on this thread who claimed the manager was “out of his depth” this evening, deary me! Get a grip.

[stoxman]

. A serious club would have kept Bilic & Pereira and looked to build,

As my old man would have said theres the rub

Pereira signed for Al Hilal with a reputed £5.5m pa deal + sign on bonus.  There’s no way we could have matched that.   And he wanted to leave…

[baggie82]

Pereira signed for Al Hilal with a reputed £5.5m pa deal + sign on bonus.  There’s no way we could have matched that.   And he wanted to leave…

Of course he wanted to leave, the club sacked the manager that signed him and got the best out of him. Ultimately he was under contract. The decision to sell was the clubs. Plenty of players get moves refused. Look at Harry Kane over last few years. Zaha same at Palace. Man Utd wouldn’t even let Tom Heaton go to Luton this summer for first team football. Lai couldn’t wait to get Pereira out of the door - he tried to sell him the prior January for his own personal gain.

[LiamTheBaggie]

Does the league cup even count? I’m happy we are out.

I also really dislike bolting results from one season onto another. In that case lets bolt in the last 15 years….and hey presto, we are successful again!

The real league, which is what counts shows one defeat, after one game.

As for the fan on this thread who claimed the manager was “out of his depth” this evening, deary me! Get a grip.

You may dislike it but it is clearly indicative of a bigger picture that there is clearly an issue when it comes to playing away games.

The much maligned Steve Bruce didn’t have an away record like this!

And you can pack it in with the get a grip comments too. You have been warned more than enough times regarding how you address members on this forum irrespective of whether you agree with their opinion or not.