[Atomic]

Corberan is creating his own problems to a large extent.

When he took over from Bruce he had a look at what he had in the Sheff Utd game then chose a way of playing and picked the same eleven at every opportunity. He got us paying more attention to detail and we won 9 of the next 10 games. Kept things simple.

Then Phillips got injured and CC started tinkering. First it was Wallace in the ten role, Swift on the left. Then it was Wallace on the left, Albrighton on the right. Results declined.

Now he's messing about again with Molumby as the second striker in a "ten", a completely new central defence, the immobile Chalobah alongside the immobile Yokuslu and over playing from the back.

I believe the problem is, since Guardiola came to England, coaches have got it into their heads that this is the way to play football. What they fail to realise is once most start doing it, it becomes ineffective because only the best are going to succeed at it and we don't have the budget to attract players that are technically superior to other teams in this league.

Football is not about being aesthetically the best team  it's about getting results ultimately.

[Standaman]

I am still generally happy with Corberan but he got yesterday badly wrong. I am not sure  whether the starting XI got on the pitch at any point in in pre season but if he was going in this direction then maybe it should have particularly given that all the starting XI has been with him for all of the pre season.

To my mind he went with Ajayi and Kipre at Bolton and then thought he'd give them a little bit more protection by playing both Chalobah and Yoksulu in front of them. Frankly it didn't work.

i have a certain amount of sympathy with the coach he can only pick the players he has but while Kipre and Ajayi have admirable attributes particularly on the ball they are both can be flakey defensively. There has to be a better combination.

[gazberg]

He simply needs to be a lot more pragmatic going forward.

[BalisPen]

He needs to stop relying on Pearce to stitch him up, and find good cheap loan players from the prem for ch and LB and another striker. One loan so far is shocking.

It is easy to say it early days, but we failed to get into the po last season by a fine margin, so every game is vital.

He wanted his new players in early but IP & son have shafted him and us.

[Standaman]

He needs to stop relying on Pearce to stitch him up, and find good cheap loan players from the prem for ch and LB and another striker. One loan so far is shocking.

It is easy to say it early days, but we failed to get into the po last season by a fine margin, so every game is vital.

He wanted his new players in early but IP & son have shafted him and us.

He can't he has no authority to do so. I still doubt there is much if any additions without further exits.

[robnewbold]

Shafting Carlos , shafts all of us.

[Albion79]

I am not sure what people expected yesterday, we started with near enough the same team that huffed and puffed the end of last season, the only changes were a centre half deemed not good enough last season and loaned out and a 30+ winger who can be brilliant or dreadful at a flip of a coin.

Its an ageing squad, we had a great run when he came in but when pressure was on and we got around the playoffs we went to pieces, the manager isnt the problem, the players are.

Thats not to say Corberan doesnt / didnt make mistakes, i found it odd the Chabolah selection but can only assume Swift was ill, whatever it was it affected him when he came on as he was awful. I actually think technically Chablolah is a decent player but he is very slow and i think the game is too fast for him.

Moloumby further forward was an error too, mainly because Moloumby is a poor footballer with limited technical ability but he is good at getting round the pitch and doing the ugly stuff, if you dont play him in that role you may as well not play him.

Ajayi and Kipre was always a risky pairing but putting two of Bartley, Ajayi or Kipre together is a risky, it would be no surprise if people are on here next week wanting Bartley out as he gifts a goal to Swansea. Corberan wanted to get rid of at least one of those three and didnt care which one (which says a lot) and get another one in, we had a agreed a deal with one but we stalled and he went elsewhere, so that shows what he thinks of them but he has to keep playing them as it stands.

Most of these players wont get better, they will get worse and that is about 75% of our squad, Moloumy, BTA and Maja are ones who will improve but there isnt a lot else from the current first team squad.

Corberan wanted seven players as well as at least four from the youngsters so thats 11 players, basically he wanted half a new squad so he knows that problems. He has  been promised two more but unless we sell he wont get any others on top of that, and unfortunately the younger lads havent stepped up, they have been training with the first team all preseason and played but other than Fellows and Malcolm, none have been better or even close to what we already have.

So he is aware if the problems but he is shuffling the same ageing pack, until that changes any coach will have their work cut out

However i do hope the red card yesterday may off been a wakeup call to him personally, i like that he is passionate and intense but you can go overboard and it can lose its impact, he seems to be constantly shouting and going mad and needs to calm down.

[BalisPen]

He can't he has no authority to do so. I still doubt there is much if any additions without further exits.

I know he hasn't the got the authority, but his signing his own death warrant if he and his backroom don't have any knowledge of talent they can put forward as potential loan signings at least.

A loan doesn't have to cost the earth.

I know he hasn't got a little black book of untapped talent to sign, but it seems negligent for him not to develop one, or at the very least task one of his assistants to do it.

If he puts no alternative names on the table when offered the likes of NC and MA, he only has himself to blame when he signs off their addition to his squad.

[ttree30]

I am not sure what people expected yesterday, we started with near enough the same team that huffed and puffed the end of last season, the only changes were a centre half deemed not good enough last season and loaned out and a 30+ winger who can be brilliant or dreadful at a flip of a coin.

Its an ageing squad, we had a great run when he came in but when pressure was on and we got around the playoffs we went to pieces, the manager isnt the problem, the players are.

Thats not to say Corberan doesnt / didnt make mistakes, i found it odd the Chabolah selection but can only assume Swift was ill, whatever it was it affected him when he came on as he was awful. I actually think technically Chablolah is a decent player but he is very slow and i think the game is too fast for him.

Moloumby further forward was an error too, mainly because Moloumby is a poor footballer with limited technical ability but he is good at getting round the pitch and doing the ugly stuff, if you dont play him in that role you may as well not play him.

Ajayi and Kipre was always a risky pairing but putting two of Bartley, Ajayi or Kipre together is a risky, it would be no surprise if people are on here next week wanting Bartley out as he gifts a goal to Swansea. Corberan wanted to get rid of at least one of those three and didnt care which one (which says a lot) and get another one in, we had a agreed a deal with one but we stalled and he went elsewhere, so that shows what he thinks of them but he has to keep playing them as it stands.

Most of these players wont get better, they will get worse and that is about 75% of our squad, Moloumy, BTA and Maja are ones who will improve but there isnt a lot else from the current first team squad.

Corberan wanted seven players as well as at least four from the youngsters so thats 11 players, basically he wanted half a new squad so he knows that problems. He has  been promised two more but unless we sell he wont get any others on top of that, and unfortunately the younger lads havent stepped up, they have been training with the first team all preseason and played but other than Fellows and Malcolm, none have been better or even close to what we already have.

So he is aware if the problems but he is shuffling the same ageing pack, until that changes any coach will have their work cut out

However i do hope the red card yesterday may off been a wakeup call to him personally, i like that he is passionate and intense but you can go overboard and it can lose its impact, he seems to be constantly shouting and going mad and needs to calm down.

What an excellent post. 👏👏 Not sure there’s much to be added to that - we’ve just lost four of the last five league games (extending from the end of last season) and our form in the first 17 and last 17 games last season was respectively terrible and mediocre - we got almost half our points in an extraordinary 12 game run that increasingly looks like some sort of “new manager” bounce. I still though think Corberan deserves great credit for changing the mentality during that spell - it was no mean feat given the material he was working with.

But as you say the problem is the poor quality of the players. It was the problem last season, the season before that and the season before that as well. Gradually downgrading every position in the squad over the past five years or so has left us where we are - with an ageing and deteriorating squad, little room for financial manoeuvre, and a real risk we continue to fall further.

We need something or someone to turn up, from somewhere. Thompson and Megson did last time, albeit they could barely tolerate being in the same room as each other. They even ended up working on opposite sides of the stadium.

And we also desperately need a hero or two in our team that the fans can get behind. Every side needs that.

[DevonInStripes]

Agree that until we offload a good number of this squad then we are likely to struggle. Thankfully at the end of the current season some of the  long term players that we have had for too long come to the end of their contracts. The problem is we could do with them gone now , and that of course is if we don’t give yet further contract extensions!

[colinmax]

 when new management were appointed a month or two back we were promised the team would have a change so that emphasis was on young,fast athletic players,that might occur but so far there is no evidence of it and our first two signings weren't fit to start the opening match.
 CC must be very frustrated and I wonder if his sending off was evidence of the stress he is under.

[zippyandbungle]

when new management were appointed a month or two back we were promised the team would have a change so that emphasis was on young,fast athletic players,that might occur but so far there is no evidence of it and our first two signings weren't fit to start the opening match.
 CC must be very frustrated and I wonder if his sending off was evidence of the stress he is under.

No offence but your post could be seen as evidence that no matter what Carlos Corberan seems exempt from any blame whatsoever
If that starting line up was the intention for Blackburn why did he not try it once during pre season ?
In terms of younger recruits both Sarmiento and Maja DO fit the bill
Swift created more chances than any other player in the league last year and was a key attacking part of the team…where on Earth does Corberan think Mulumby replaces that ?

[gazberg]

CC does have young, athletic players to hand. He doesn't like them though.

I don't believe for 1 minute that CC thinks we are going to go out and sign the hottest young pros around and sign established veterans.

[SmethDan]

CC does have young, athletic players to hand. He doesn't like them though.

I don't believe for 1 minute that CC thinks we are going to go out and sign the hottest young pros around and sign established veterans.

I don't think it's anything personal Gaz', more a case of him not particularly rating most of them  .

[gazberg]

I don't think it's anything personal Gaz', more a case of him not particularly rating most of them  .

You know what i mean 

[alex1]

Lets not forget this is the first match of the season, so its going to take several games before CC works out what our strongest line-up is going to be. He's an intelligent man, so I'm sure he'll be analysing what went wrong on saturday.

I too think we needed more creativity at No.10 than Molumby, but CC sees the players every day, and maybe he was looking sharper than Swift. Also, I wouldn't normally start with Chabolah. For central defence he's basically got 5 names to juggle with, but none of them are a shu-in. I can see 2 others being selected next week and come in for similar criticism (maybe even from the same posters!)

Even with our limited resources, I'm still very confident that Carlos can improve things. How far up the table he will get us time will tell,  but I think we're fortunate to have him, and he deserves decent backing from the fan base.   

[SmethDan]

We had a shocking start under SGM following relegation which included a thrashing at Bescot courtesy of Paul Merson. Early days.

[KN22]

We had a shocking start under SGM following relegation which included a thrashing at Bescot courtesy of Paul Merson. Early days.

Yes, I remember it well. Baking hot day and we were destroyed by Mr Merson.

[Baggie79]

I imagine most of us can accept he got it very very wrong on Saturday, however if we are another 3 or 4 games into the season and Kipre, Ajayi and Chalobah are still playing he will be signing his own death warrant. Lets hope it was a one off but I am not sure it will be.

[baggies_24]

I imagine most of us can accept he got it very very wrong on Saturday, however if we are another 3 or 4 games into the season and Kipre, Ajayi and Chalobah are still playing he will be signing his own death warrant. Lets hope it was a one off but I am not sure it will be.

If he does persist with those 3 in order to try and stubbornly play his style of football then we are back in Val territory where clearly the squad wasn’t up to the style of football been implemented but nothing was done to change it.

I’m all up for Corberan to implement his own style of football, however you need the players to be able to play that way especially at CB which none of Bartley, Ajayi or Kipre are comfortable on the ball. We can all see it’s a recipe for disaster waiting to happen.

Unfortunately because the owner has shafted the club Carlos can’t get the players he wants through the door, but that still doesn’t mean he can blindly keep playing a style of football that doesn’t suit the players we do have here.

[Albion79]

To put it into some perspective its one game into the season, he got it wrong but some of the reaction on social media is crazy, saying he has probably got first six games else he will be sacked!

He has one player of his choice (Chabaloah) who he has been able to use, the rest of the squad are what he inherited plus two returning loan players.

Kipre deserves a run of games, Ajayi had plenty last season without impressing too much but without O'Shea all our defenders look worse.

He has signed Sarmiento and Maja who should start to be involved over the next couple of weeks, if he can add at least two more who can compete to start rather than being squad fillers, give them games to become a team and then will be a better time to judge how he is doing.

[SmethDan]

Are you trying to say they got the pitchforks out for nothing? I hope nobody lost the key to the pitchfork cabinet as they'll have to go back until we lose again. Here's hoping nobody jumped the gun and lit the fire torches, waste of matches.

[baggie82]

To put it into some perspective its one game into the season, he got it wrong but some of the reaction on social media is crazy, saying he has probably got first six games else he will be sacked!

He has one player of his choice (Chabaloah) who he has been able to use, the rest of the squad are what he inherited plus two returning loan players.

Kipre deserves a run of games, Ajayi had plenty last season without impressing too much but without O'Shea all our defenders look worse.

He has signed Sarmiento and Maja who should start to be involved over the next couple of weeks, if he can add at least two more who can compete to start rather than being squad fillers, give them games to become a team and then will be a better time to judge how he is doing.

Absolutely correct. Not so long ago the same fans were desperately worried that he would leave to manage Leeds.

He got his selection wrong on Saturday, no doubt about that (I do not agree that Kipre deserves a run of games). But any talk about him having X amount of games to turn it around etc demonstrates no more than we have some fans on social media who are totally unreasonable and to be frank idiots. The bottom line is that if Corberan were ever to leave, his replacement would not be as good.

The last time we had the same manager in a championship season from start to finish we got promoted. Obviously that is very unlikely this season as we are no more than a mid-table team and club. That reality is yet to set in for a few, who still seem to regard getting promoted to the PL and playing great football as some sort of entitlement and the status quo. Anything more than a top-half finish would be a bonus.

[DevonInStripes]

We have too many players who are not anything but mediocre championship standard . That together with an unwillingness for Ian Pearce do actually do what’s he’s paid for means that promotion this season is beyond us .

[mulliganstired]

Corberan is creating his own problems to a large extent.

When he took over from Bruce he had a look at what he had in the Sheff Utd game then chose a way of playing and picked the same eleven at every opportunity. He got us paying more attention to detail and we won 9 of the next 10 games. Kept things simple.

Then Phillips got injured and CC started tinkering. First it was Wallace in the ten role, Swift on the left. Then it was Wallace on the left, Albrighton on the right. Results declined.

Now he's messing about again with Molumby as the second striker in a "ten", a completely new central defence, the immobile Chalobah alongside the immobile Yokuslu and over playing from the back.

I believe the problem is, since Guardiola came to England, coaches have got it into their heads that this is the way to play football. What they fail to realise is once most start doing it, it becomes ineffective because only the best are going to succeed at it and we don't have the budget to attract players that are technically superior to other teams in this league.

Football is not about being aesthetically the best team  it's about getting results ultimately.

I think you are right about the Guardiola thing - we definitely haven't got the players to do that.  There is nothing wrong with a centre half just getting it away sometimes.