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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: February 07, 2016, 07:07:41 PM »
Through my work commitments I have a lot of contact with Albion supporters and I have yet to come across anyone from a spectrum of age ranges who is happy with the quality of our play . Even some of the most positive Albion people I know are calling us rubbish .

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: February 07, 2016, 01:47:47 PM »
McManaman got injured before the deadline so that knocked any deal on the head, Swansea came in for Chester but that was a loan deal which gave us no extra money to spend so not really worthwhile. Everyone else Saido aside little or no interest.

I'm not sure scouting is the problem. In the case of Lambert with virtually zero game time at Liverpool how would anyone really know that his legs had gone? Chester anyone watching him at Hull would have come back with a favorable report, but bringing him in as a right back that was just daft, a really good technical director might have headed that one off at the outset. McManaman  fitness issues well documented scouting reports I am sure would have been available we watched him at Wigan but it has never happened for him and that's a real mystery.

The following from Michael Owen gives some insight into Pulis's methods and how the fringe players are worked during the week and I think it goes someway to explaining the way things look on the pitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLUuQaBkXcs&app=desktop

I spoke to a couple of Hull fans on holiday just after we had signed him they felt his best position is part of a back 3 certainly not full back .

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: February 06, 2016, 08:53:36 PM »
I dont think he struggles to attract the names afterall he signed Crouch and Owen.

A concern of mine is he now seems to be signing ' names ' . No skill in that he should get out there and cast his eye over games whereby he might be able to get value for money .

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Are You Happy With Transfer Dealings?
« on: February 01, 2016, 07:27:06 PM »
I don't think we have done enough particularly if we get further injuries .

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: As expected
« on: January 31, 2016, 09:50:33 AM »
i ask myself what legacy Pulis will leave.

A team with no invention or creativity and a bunch of ageing journeymen .

A bunch of fans who have either walked away from it or are totally disgruntled by the style of play .

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: January 30, 2016, 11:36:38 PM »
Re Pulis's signings.
It makes me think it is like a child in a sweet shop.
Buys everything he can lay his hands on.
Once the "sweeties" are home...The child discards those he doesn't really like.
Like a child....He was given too much money too soon.

As my dad said today the worrying thing is he seems to be going for 'name' players or someone who his mates know . As you say like a child in a sweet shop with no direction but will choose his favourites anyway .

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General Football & Sports / Re: Salomon Rondon
« on: January 24, 2016, 08:08:39 PM »
People say about his hard work but I see this as a bit of a myth for me he does plenty of quantity not much quality work and wastes too much energy so that when he needs to show in the right place he is knackered . The team should be doing pattern play in training so that when the ball is in a certain area of the pitch Rondon knows where he should be . I don't think we work on it at all . I said on way home yesterday maybe he would benefit from the coaching and insight of someone who has played up front at this level pretty much like the goodman and Pearson scenario from way back .

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: 3 words to sum it up so far
« on: January 24, 2016, 07:49:33 PM »
We're
Boring
Albion

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: January 24, 2016, 09:32:44 AM »
I actually thought the villa coach did a number on Pulis and our team yesterday . They recognised that if you simply pressure our players they will continually give the ball away and that's what happened . They were quicker and sharper to everything . Over the 90 minutes they were fitter too. I am surprised other teams don't pressure us the way villa did yesterday as we are very flimsy in such situations .

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: January 23, 2016, 08:38:51 PM »
I've defended and defended pulis but I'm sorry I can't defend one man up front on his own at home against the worst side in the league. People are quick to say Rondon  is a flop but how is he supposed to do his job with very little support? It was poor poor tactics from the head coach and then to top it off he says the worst side in the league are a "good side" laughable.

we set up like an away side playing at home against the bottom of the league regardless of their name or where they are from . Selecting Gardner in the hole was a blatant lack of ambition more content on containing than exposing their frailties .

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General Football & Sports / Re: Saido Berahino
« on: December 28, 2015, 09:21:27 AM »
When all is said and done whatever we think of him he scores goals . I think the problem Pulis has is he simply doesn't know where to fit him into his system . So we sell him can we trust Pulis to sign a player to replace him who scores goals and will fit in system . I wouldn't be surprised to see Peace dig his heels in on this one .

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: December 27, 2015, 09:08:46 AM »
If it's not Pulis' fault that his players can't pass then he really is a very unlucky manager, because after 10 years or so as the Stoke manager, none of our lot could pass either - and please make note of the timescales here. After many years of managing us, and after arguing that we just needed that bit more quality after spending the best part of £100m, he still had a team of Premier League players who were incapable of passing a ball.

The truth is, it's all about shape. The Pulis strategy is that your team must keep their shape at all times. This effectively cancels out any possibility of pass and move, because once you move, you lose your shape. So instead, what you have are statues which are easy to mark. So just how do you pass when no one's in any space. You can't, can you? So eventually, as a player, you're closed down. Then you pass to your nearest colleague. But he's got two men on him, so you lose the ball. That's because you're a Premier League player who can't pass, right? That's what the Pulisters would have you believe.

So, you've got players who can't pass, and a striker standing on his own, miles away from any of his colleagues who don't have the intelligence to make runs off the ball. Nothing to do with the Pulis cage that his midfield players are not allowed out of in case his defence is no longer protected by at least 4 more players.

Maybe you just need more quality. Maybe you need to spend another £8m on a centre half to play at full back (or on the bench), or another £30m to get you 3 points more than the derided Irvine got you at this point last year. Anyone who thinks that what's happening at your club is nothing to do with the tactics and way of operating that Pulis has lived by all his managerial career is not being honest with themselves.

It's what he does. Revel in the ugly mid-tableness he guarantees you. If that's what you enjoy, you're in for a treat. But if you want something more, don't let his acolytes convince you there's not a better way. Take it from this Stokie, there really is.

DK

Your quote about Shape and passing and movement is bang on the money . It is quite clear that a lot of the training is geared towards shape , most of the players are struggling to deal with a ball properly now .

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: man united paired
« on: December 23, 2015, 12:44:12 PM »
For the leader of the team Fletchers efforts on both of Bournemouths goals on Saturday are powder puff to say the least . He could have done a lot better on both . Stirring interview with him on TV  a couple of weeks back but need to see more from him.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: December 20, 2015, 09:24:08 AM »
Pulisball is one thing. I can just about accept it for this season if that's the price for staying up. But playing with ill players is just very poor management, and I include medical staff in that. If they are well enough to play, don't use it as an excuse. If they're not well enough, don't pick them. End of.

Difficulty is that due to suspension and the busy festive period Pulis has now got to go and ask players who have barely played a competitive fixture in 3 months to do a job for him , very difficult task to do . This stubborn formula of using effectively a 14 man squad could quite well bite him on the backside .

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: December 20, 2015, 09:19:33 AM »
Before he had his dig at Klopp he should have checked the fixture to see who were playing next.

 Bournemouth's starting XI cost less than a 20th of our starting XI or about a 18th of our bench or about the same as one of the players  that got sent off (clue not Rondon). Yet the  team that wanted to pass the ball to feet had the bulk of possession (even before their opponents were reduced to 10 men) and showed the bulk of the attacking intent was the one consisting of players that many of our supporters would dismiss as "Championship Players at Best"

Oddly enough I do not regard that as a great testament to the tactical wizardry or the footballing philosophy of our current Head Coach
We all sat there and watched that rubbish first half yesterday and the question is always going to be asked if Bournemouth are capable of passing the ball why can't we .
Mocking Klopp is all well and good but if I was Pulis I would be ashamed to be responsible for that first half .



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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: December 12, 2015, 09:37:24 PM »
Listen pure football or no pure football I would still rather pay my money to watch class like Aguero , Sanchez , and others from opposing teams down our place than some garbage from the championship or worse . Pulis still has a massive challenge on his hands here .

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: October 18, 2015, 05:18:29 PM »
As I have a friend who is very close to our best player, he has told him that tony pulis doesn't use attacking drills in training... He practises defensive drills for 3 quarters of the training session then the other quarter is spent on a 'match'.

This is evident to see... Man City midfielders aren't psychic.... They practise forward drills... That's how they know where their strikers are moving to, not because they're all Paul McKenna esq

I would say they don't do much work with a football like close control and passing either.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Fletcher
« on: October 18, 2015, 05:11:13 PM »
There was a point late in the first half yesterday when he had Dawson wide as an option but chose not to give it to him and instead turned inside and lashed the ball without any direction or thought . I expect better from him and as I pointed out at half time whether Dawson can deal with a ball or cannot cross isn't his problem .

Maybe if he spent more time doing his own job instead of concerning himself with what others are doing he might do better . As I have posted before he is more captain chaos than captain composure .

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: October 18, 2015, 01:52:43 PM »
I want to see results but is it not asking too much to see our players be able to pass the ball to each other with quality ?. To be able to cross effectively instead of sticking it behind the goal on more than one occasion ?

Some people might say it's nerves personally I would say it's not good enough .

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: October 17, 2015, 12:17:24 PM »
Perhaps Mr Pulis can explain the decision to take wingers off during games and replace them with Gardner as he has done this season .

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: October 13, 2015, 09:57:55 PM »
I supported that point by adding that Palace's other key players were well-marshalled by West Brom. Gayle was completely anonymous. Puncheon had a couple of wild shots from long range but otherwise didn't threaten and Bolasie was kept reasonably quiet by first Dawson and then Chester.

 



When a team sets up
defensively and plays for a 0-0 and has less than 30% possession, the defensive ability/performance of a winger is far, far more important than his attacking ability. That's why I heaped praise on McClean. He's brilliant in that respect and thus perfect in Pulis's system.
Go back and watch it again and look where McLean is when cabaye crosses the ball . McLean should be in a position to close him down and when the cross comes in Dawsons body position is all wrong compounded by ball watching . Myhill should also do better not commanding enough . I hope McLean does well for us but like many of our players he is just average and in my opinion average will eventually send us down .

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: October 06, 2015, 07:21:10 AM »
I can't see Peace sacking him as he still needs to protect the club from relegation and will see Pulis as a safer bet than most to achieve that objective

There will more than likely be a situation whereby Pulis will walk either before or after the January transfer window when it becomes apparent the four or five players he will want don't happen.

and of course Pulis will want to maintain his record of never being relegated .

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: October 04, 2015, 09:20:05 AM »
Pulis doesn't guarantee premier league football next season far from it.

Any team that cannot put 2 passes together and consistently gives the ball back to the opposition will get relegated.

Most of our players are now at the stage where controlling and kicking a ball properly is proving difficult and that is down to the coaching staff.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: September 24, 2015, 10:04:12 PM »
If the comments are aimed at Peace then he either hasn't taken much notice before or hasnt listened to advice given to him when considering the role . Peace must be well known in football circles for how he runs the club. Whether Pulis or anyone agrees or disagrees tough luck Peace is what he is.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis
« on: September 13, 2015, 08:50:04 AM »
Possibly, but I would argue that Pulis' strict defensive approach means that the players don't have the flexibility to move for the ball. Our defensive positioning is really well drilled, but that means players don't want to move too far away from those positions in case we lose the ball. For me, this is backed up by his insistence in playing the Gardners and Mcleans, and sticking with the midfield of Fletcher and Yacob, instead of playing some creative players.

He did of course try something different, but he did that against the champions, so is unlikely to do it again.

Why we don't go to 4231 I don't know, as that's when we look better.

Not one encouraging performance so far this season.

Your point about the defensive shape and flexibility from this when we get the ball is correct . To be able to play through the lines quickly and efficiently means the guy playing in the hole has to have a lot of movement and energy . Yesterday we had Lambert who looks like he would have a problem running to catch a bus.

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