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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #200 on: January 01, 2025, 09:56:19 PM »
Excellent first half, then we dropped off second half. Can't even remember us having a shot. Taking Maja off meant we didn't have anyone to hold onto the ball when it was cleared so Preston sent it straight back and we were under the cosh for the latter part of the match. First half I thought we played some excellent through passes, but we didn't seem to find them second half as there were few runners from midfield. Think Styles has improved and excellent goal from the training ground. Johnston also near his old self and Diakatie good use of the ball and won a lot of his duels.   
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #201 on: January 02, 2025, 12:32:11 AM »
Three welcome points. We've played better than this though. I didn't think we were great first half despite the scoreline. We took our chances. Diakite played well and its good to know we now have another option in midfield. I'd much rather have him than Racic.

Second half we didn't get going perhaps a subconscious foot was taken off a pedal then we started seeing the game out. Its understandable this time of the year with games coming thick and fast and another game coming up Saturday lunch time.

They were knackered.  One more big effort at Swansea and then a break to recharge the batteries. 

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #202 on: January 02, 2025, 07:34:32 AM »
First game I was able to attend at the Hathorns in several years and we go 3-0 up in the ifrstg half. Who wants to pay my travel expenses to get me back every game  ;D

Shame about the 2nd half, think it was a mixture of naive game managment from the interim coaching team and players running out of legs in midfield after a heavy schedule. We had done our job already.


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« Reply #203 on: January 02, 2025, 08:03:52 AM »
First game I was able to attend at the Hathorns in several years and we go 3-0 up in the ifrstg half. Who wants to pay my travel expenses to get me back every game  ;D

Shame about the 2nd half, think it was a mixture of naive game managment from the interim coaching team and players running out of legs in midfield after a heavy schedule. We had done our job already.
The only thing that I could blame the coaching team for was the introduction of Wallace,aside from the assist for their goal he looks lost and is half the player he was….but that is not new he has been poor whenever he has played this season, 3-0 up try what well and give him game experience imo
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #204 on: January 02, 2025, 08:16:44 AM »
One thing that did disappoint was the lack of control in the second half - leading 3-0 was a great opportunity to introduce Whitwell and we threw it away. I’d have probably opted for Bostock ahead of Diangana too.

It was my biggest disappointment too. Had we got to 15-20 minutes from time at 3-0 or more, the kids may have got an appearance, but once the game gets a bit tighter, managers wont take the risk. Understandable, kids are more likely than senior pros to make the wrong decision under pressure - like passing across the box to an opposition player allowing them to score...
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #205 on: January 02, 2025, 08:36:51 AM »
If we were able to replicate the quality of our first half play particularly in attacking as versus Preston for all games, I wouldn’t be adverse to Brunt and Abella running the team until the end of the season.

It would result in the style of play not being changed to that preferred by a new HC which would take time but retaining CC’s methods and add to them by injecting a more speedier attacking style
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #206 on: January 02, 2025, 08:44:00 AM »
Would’ve seen that clean sheet out with Corberan  ;D Game management was dire and should stop the “put Brunt in charge until May” comments to bed.

Lewisant, you haven’t said WHY any Brunt comments “should be put to bed”?
Is that a personal opinion or a consensus of opinion on this forum?
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« Reply #207 on: January 02, 2025, 09:08:06 AM »
I’m not sure that yesterday would have played out the same with CC in charge. I think we would have become more compact at 1-0 rather than pushed on in the first half. For me the issue, as always, is the lack of depth. Commentators keep going on about our strength in depth but our subs always make us look disjointed.

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« Reply #208 on: January 02, 2025, 09:20:04 AM »
The second half drop-off was due to PNE being more on the front foot as well as the drop in quality when our subs were introduced.  I agree with the poster who said we could have tried Whitwell and certainly Bostock instead of Diangana. 

But we started very early in the 2nd half to hack to ball anywhere rather than work it out of defence and keep possession.  On that basis I suppose that would have pleased those on here that complain of "tippy-tappy" football.

Diakite played OK  - not many forward passes but movement an improvement on Racic.  I think Mowatt has better control and we would manage an aggressive press better with him.  At least we have 3 fairly competent midfielders to choose from now.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #209 on: January 02, 2025, 10:00:59 AM »
Lewisant, you haven’t said WHY any Brunt comments “should be put to bed”?
Is that a personal opinion or a consensus of opinion on this forum?
he did, he said the "in game management was dire".
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #210 on: January 02, 2025, 10:10:02 AM »
I’m not sure that yesterday would have played out the same with CC in charge. I think we would have become more compact at 1-0 rather than pushed on in the first half. For me the issue, as always, is the lack of depth. Commentators keep going on about our strength in depth but our subs always make us look disjointed.
Yup, Styles more or less agrees too as he said we have a good core group of players as opposed to just saying a good squad. Which I agree yesterday showed how poor the squad actually is. The subs were a massive drop off

Also if him and Maja's comments about having a new lease of life is the general consensus amongst the squad then maybe CC going might be a blessing

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #211 on: January 02, 2025, 10:13:34 AM »
We do have Dike, Ajayi, Holgate and Mowatt out too don't forget which isn't helping.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #212 on: January 02, 2025, 11:09:23 AM »
he did, he said the "in game management was dire".
With taking players off and resting them for the Swansea game in a couple of days which makes a lot of sense, I cannot see how game management could be called ‘dire’ especially when you look at the quality and depth you had on the bench. No option really and very unfair to accuse Brunt and Abella of ‘dire’ game management considering their limited options.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #213 on: January 02, 2025, 11:52:59 AM »
With taking players off and resting them for the Swansea game in a couple of days which makes a lot of sense, I cannot see how game management could be called ‘dire’ especially when you look at the quality and depth you had on the bench. No option really and very unfair to accuse Brunt and Abella of ‘dire’ game management considering their limited options.

Not my comment was just explaining what the original poster had said.

However, the substitutions (taking off our 4 attackers) did affect the game. We had definitely taken our foot off the gas at the start of the 2nd half and didn't look like we could create anything at all once the subs had been made (the last 2 of Grant and Maja with still 20 minutes to go) I don't recall us having a shot at goal in the 2nd half. That's pretty dire game management. I'm sure Johnston and one of either Grant or Maja could have stayed on without being a risk for Saturday.
 Our goal difference still needs to improve and if we'd have continued with the way we were playing in the first half I'm sure we could have managed at least another 2 goals
Luckily Preston were awful and, without Wallace's assistance, didn't look like scoring.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #214 on: January 02, 2025, 02:14:08 PM »
The performance at Swansea will determine if the in game management was dire or intelligent, until then it's a moot debate
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #215 on: January 02, 2025, 03:03:27 PM »
The performance at Swansea will determine if the in game management was dire or intelligent, until then it's a moot debate

if the game management was to stop being an attacking force in the 2nd half then it was dire and nothing to do with resting players for the Swansea game.
There is more to game management than resting players.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #216 on: January 03, 2025, 10:23:38 AM »
if the game management was to stop being an attacking force in the 2nd half then it was dire and nothing to do with resting players for the Swansea game.
There is more to game management than resting players.

Agreed largely. Yet as well as reducing your own threat you can drop into a back five, sit with four across the middle to reduce opposition overloads out wide and through the middle while resting your players.

It was nowhere as attractive as the first half but it was as effective defensively as the first half was offensively at the same time as both resting players and getting much needed game time in to the legs of others.

Players rested, players rotated, opposition largely nullified, a four goal game and plus two towards the goal difference as opposed to 'one nil to the Albion', three points in the bag and job done. There's more than one way to manage a game  8) .
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« Reply #217 on: January 03, 2025, 10:35:31 AM »
Agreed largely. Yet as well as reducing your own threat you can drop into a back five, sit with four across the middle to reduce opposition overloads out wide and through the middle while resting your players.

It was nowhere as attractive as the first half but it was as effective defensively as the first half was offensively at the same time as both resting players and getting much needed game time in to the legs of others.

Players rested, players rotated, opposition largely nullified, a four goal game and plus two towards the goal difference as opposed to 'one nil to the Albion', three points in the bag and job done. There's more than one way to manage a game  8) .

We gave Preston much better chances in the second half though which I wouldn't call good game management.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #218 on: January 03, 2025, 10:41:05 AM »
We gave Preston much better chances in the second half though which I wouldn't call good game management.

Them's the breaks. Players rested and game managed. Regardless of whether it was managed to your liking the game was managed by measurable outcomes. Plus two goals and three points to the Albion  ;D .
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #219 on: January 03, 2025, 10:42:46 AM »
Some of that second half drop off was because PNE played better possibly on the end of a tongue lashing ! They certainly pressed higher and were more physical in the challenges
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