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Re: Caleb Taylor
« Reply #250 on: January 12, 2025, 12:25:31 PM »
That's yourself and SmethDan  (I think it was a long time ago) that have said he is slow on the turn, and that does seem to suggest he still isn't ready.

Today was a bad day for all the defence and those meant to protect them, against very strong opposition so it would be harsh to judge him on this alone.

We should give him more opportunities long term, but that isn't going to happen now, so it is best that he goes back out on loan to Wycombe as a potential promotion should do wonders for his confidence and he needs to play games to improve his game and hopefully become a vital player for us in the future.

Yes that was me, well remembered given it was a while back. Posted it in response to someone suggesting we should play him on the right of a back three. My response being if we did use him in a three he should play centrally with more mobile players either side of him. At the same time if used in a back two I suggested he'd be better on the right side of a pairing so I'd have preferred to have seen him alongside Heggem yesterday instead of Holgate. Still, it was what it was. Minutes under his belt and a bit of experience against better players than he's faced in League One. All part of the learning curve.
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« Reply #251 on: January 12, 2025, 02:23:06 PM »
I don't think he'll ever be good enough much as we all want him to be.

There is a racehorse called Ahoy Senor. He is a steeplechaser who falls apart too often over his fences because his brain can't get the message to his legs quickly enough. Caleb reminds me of him.

There were several moments yesterday where he hadn't got a clue mentally what he was doing. The first goal, the incident where he tried to head a clearance and almost chest flopped it. The time where he got caught on the ball and Bournemouth messed up a 2 on 1. All of these because his brain didn't think quickly enough so he just ends up with an ungainly physical reaction. Plus he turns like a snooker table.

I actually thought he looked OK with the ball at his feet but any time he was under any pressure defensively he couldn't cope.

Caleb isn't a kid anymore he's 22 sometime this month.

By all accounts he did very well at Wycombe. League one is probably his level.
So if Wycombe is his level and they get promoted then he will be a championship defender which is our level no?
We have to start forward planning instead of continually giving extra years to the likes of mowatt and Bartley
Holgate is a train wreck at centre half
Ajayi can’t read the game, his first touch is awful but his pace bails him out
I’d at least like to see him play alongside Heggem for half a dozen games on the trot before we right him off

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« Reply #252 on: January 12, 2025, 08:51:22 PM »
So if Wycombe is his level and they get promoted then he will be a championship defender which is our level no?
We have to start forward planning instead of continually giving extra years to the likes of mowatt and Bartley
Holgate is a train wreck at centre half
Ajayi can’t read the game, his first touch is awful but his pace bails him out
I’d at least like to see him play alongside Heggem for half a dozen games on the trot before we right him off

Exactly, that NO winning promotion from league one, does not make you a player good enough for the championship, as random example off the top of my head Johnson Clark Harris I think his name was, who scored loads in the third tier for the posh and not so many above.

I totally agree with the forwarding planning part, but it doesn't mean we play players who aren't good enough yet just because they are one of our own.

We all want our own to do well with us, but we can't just play them if they aren't good enough yet.

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« Reply #253 on: January 12, 2025, 08:58:22 PM »
Exactly, that NO winning promotion from league one, does not make you a player good enough for the championship, as random example off the top of my head Johnson Clark Harris I think his name was, who scored loads in the third tier for the posh and not so many above.

I totally agree with the forwarding planning part, but it doesn't mean we play players who aren't good enough yet just because they are one of our own.

We all want our own to do well with us, but we can't just play them if they aren't good enough yet.
Yes but you seem to be deeming him not good enough after one game against a premier league team.
I could also point out Ipswich has an example where they came up and kept the core of the league one team.
He was certainly no worse than Holgate.
I think in he cups we predominantly play a whole team of young ones and fringe players which gives us no insight has to wether a select few may excell in a team with more established first team
Plus to a certain extent centre halves and goalkeepers tend to mature and reach there peak a little later in there career
We might have to agree to disagree but I’m not writing him off yet in becoming good enough for us at our current level

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« Reply #254 on: January 12, 2025, 09:09:51 PM »
Exactly, that NO winning promotion from league one, does not make you a player good enough for the championship, as random example off the top of my head Johnson Clark Harris I think his name was, who scored loads in the third tier for the posh and not so many above.

I totally agree with the forwarding planning part, but it doesn't mean we play players who aren't good enough yet just because they are one of our own.

We all want our own to do well with us, but we can't just play them if they aren't good enough yet.
On what evidence have you decided that he isn't good enough yet?

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« Reply #255 on: January 13, 2025, 12:20:19 AM »
Caleb Taylor is either ready now or he will never be. More League 1 football will just turn him into a league 1 footballer. Great for him because that is a steady career, maybe not one he dreamt of but better than most kids that enter the game full time at 16.

He has a pathway into the first team for remainder of this season he will pick up minutes from the bench and on rotation. Ajayi and Holgate are both likely to leave the club and he will take their minutes and ultimately replace Bartley as he develops. It it is either that scenario or he fails is replaced in the squad and moves on.

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« Reply #256 on: January 13, 2025, 02:49:31 PM »
Caleb Taylor is either ready now or he will never be. More League 1 football will just turn him into a league 1 footballer. Great for him because that is a steady career, maybe not one he dreamt of but better than most kids that enter the game full time at 16.

He has a pathway into the first team for remainder of this season he will pick up minutes from the bench and on rotation. Ajayi and Holgate are both likely to leave the club and he will take their minutes and ultimately replace Bartley as he develops. It it is either that scenario or he fails is replaced in the squad and moves on.
I don't think that's the case at all. He is just about to turn 22, which is still quite young for a centre back. He has the remainder of this season to continue getting experience at this level - as you say, he's likely to get minutes during the rest of this season. Then hopefully he will be ready to challenge for a regular spot at the beginning of next season. I would say next Christmas time is a more realistic time to assess whether or not he is going to make the grade.

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« Reply #257 on: January 13, 2025, 07:07:29 PM »
It's impossible to make a judgement until he's had a run of games at Championship level.  Can't say he's done anything as yet to make me think he's the future but the Lad needs a chance to prove himself.   I did think he took his goal very well on Saturday, hopefully the first of many. 

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« Reply #258 on: January 13, 2025, 07:19:30 PM »
Currently, ready or not, he’s the replacement for Paddy McNair.

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« Reply #259 on: January 13, 2025, 08:19:50 PM »
I don't think that's the case at all. He is just about to turn 22, which is still quite young for a centre back. He has the remainder of this season to continue getting experience at this level - as you say, he's likely to get minutes during the rest of this season. Then hopefully he will be ready to challenge for a regular spot at the beginning of next season. I would say next Christmas time is a more realistic time to assess whether or not he is going to make the grade.

Rio Ferdinand was 20 when Leeds paid £20m for him 24 years ago. If Taylor is a great white hope then his talent should be obvious sooner than later. Or he might just turn out to be a very average lower league footballer.





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« Reply #260 on: January 13, 2025, 09:29:10 PM »
Rio Ferdinand was 20 when Leeds paid £20m for him 24 years ago. If Taylor is a great white hope then his talent should be obvious sooner than later. Or he might just turn out to be a very average lower league footballer.
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« Reply #261 on: January 14, 2025, 09:19:34 AM »
Rio Ferdinand was 20 when Leeds paid £20m for him 24 years ago. If Taylor is a great white hope then his talent should be obvious sooner than later. Or he might just turn out to be a very average lower league footballer.

Players mature at different speeds, cf Tony Book at Manchester City years ago.  Early on Brentford identified several players who were late developers at EPL youth squads and brought them on.

Taylor might not be the gem some thought, but to dismiss him because another player commanded what was then a high price at 20 may not be wholly sensible. 
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« Reply #262 on: January 14, 2025, 10:57:44 AM »
22 today. Happy birthday Caleb. Here's hoping you have a great day, a wonderful season and a career with Albion that would be worthy of comparison with trophy laden 81 cap former England centre back' Rio Ferdinand. Just work on getting in the first team for now though and see what follows lad. All of the very best  8) .
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« Reply #263 on: January 14, 2025, 11:18:21 AM »
Thanks for the tip off, Smeth' - yes happy birthday Caleb.

Here's to your career and success with the Albion.... and congratulations on that goal!!
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« Reply #264 on: January 14, 2025, 02:41:21 PM »
Happy birthday CT.

I hope you have a great day and career with us.

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« Reply #265 on: January 14, 2025, 02:56:24 PM »
Happy birthday Caleb
I would like him to work with Heggem at CB,learn by his mistakes that's the only way, it'll be up to the new coach but we have to give the promising lads a go especially home grown talents and for our fans to understand this process

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« Reply #266 on: January 14, 2025, 03:28:38 PM »
Players mature at different speeds, cf Tony Book at Manchester City years ago.  Early on Brentford identified several players who were late developers at EPL youth squads and brought them on.

Taylor might not be the gem some thought, but to dismiss him because another player commanded what was then a high price at 20 may not be wholly sensible.
Exactly that ,Freddie Adu and Neil Mellor where young superstars in the making,but didn’t make it…whereas a couple of older guys named Ian Wright and Kevin Phillips started late and did ok ?
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« Reply #267 on: January 14, 2025, 03:31:18 PM »
See Chris Wood as well.

Maybe he’s not the next Rio. But we’re not Man Utd.

Should become a good Championship defender in my opinion. Maybe lower PL.

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« Reply #268 on: January 29, 2025, 07:31:42 PM »
Caleb may be on his way back to Wycombe
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« Reply #269 on: January 29, 2025, 07:41:34 PM »
Caleb may be on his way back to Wycombe

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« Reply #270 on: January 29, 2025, 07:45:41 PM »
That’s disappointing news. I was hoping that he would be given an opportunity to establish himself as a first team regular with us.


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« Reply #271 on: January 29, 2025, 07:56:37 PM »
Deary me.

Very short at back now. Assume Bartley must be fit or we are close to signing someone.

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« Reply #272 on: January 29, 2025, 07:59:05 PM »
Deary me.

Very short at back now. Assume Bartley must be fit or we are close to signing someone.
Surely we wouldn't let him go out before the inbound was done, or there is no inbound!!! Scary
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« Reply #273 on: January 29, 2025, 08:06:03 PM »
Deary me.

Very short at back now. Assume Bartley must be fit or we are close to signing someone.
Bartley has to be back suspect Semi can’t be far away either
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« Reply #274 on: January 29, 2025, 08:06:47 PM »
I think its better for him to go and play than sit on our bench each week.
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