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Diagne & Okay
« on: February 20, 2021, 08:03:07 PM »
I dont think they will be interested in playing in the Champ but if there was a slight chance we have to throw the kitchen sink at it. Apart from Bartley I would get rid of all the others who their contract expires in the summer to free up wages for them.

Also I would be willing to sell most of our fringe players if possible to get the money for the transfer fees, they would absolutely boss the championship and along with Bartley would give us a proper spine that we have been missing for many years.

As I said I dont think they would be interested but we should throw everything at them to make it happen.
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2021, 08:32:50 PM »
Nothing here i disagree with.

4m fee agreed for Diagne if we go down but is he going to want to play in the EFL on less than 55k pw?

I would say Okay has little interest in coming here permanently unless we had PL football. He refused to come here on loan with option to buy as he didnt want to drop down to EFL i'd imagine.

Most of the players out of contract are worthless in regards to where we want to be. If we could move on Livermore that would be great as well.

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2021, 08:41:33 PM »
Still unsure about Diange, but I’d try and convince Yokuslu now. He might go under the radar because of how poor we are and with parachute money we can possible still increase the wages to the he gets with Celta.

Offer him a 4 year deal with a sensible buy out should other prem clubs come in the summer. The immediate security might be of interest. 

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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2021, 04:18:06 AM »
It seems likely Diagne will be here next season.

As for Yokuslu if there is any chance we can persuade him to sign for next season we absolutely have to do it. I'd like to think we are doing everything we can behind the scenes. I doubt it'll happen, but live in hope.

Gallagher as well. We should be trying everything we can even now to keep him here one way or another.

Those three in the Championship and we are halfway there.
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2021, 06:51:53 AM »
A lot of these loan players that come to lower teams in the Prem only do so to put themselves in the shop window.
I would think the likes of Diagne, Okay, Periera, will have approaches from teams with bigger pursers than us.
Love to keep them but maybe unlikely.
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2021, 09:01:11 AM »
We will not be paying Diagne’s wages in the championship - especially when you consider that at least half of them are on the brink of going bust and there still remains question marks as to when supporters can return to matches.

He’s already touching 30 and the resale value will be minimal if we cannot get out of that division at the first attempt. He would have to agree to a reduction of nearly half his wages and then further reductions thereafter encase we do not get promoted.

I think both are doing great jobs of playing them into the mix for premier league football next season but unfortunately it will not be with us.
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2021, 09:10:39 AM »
We will not be paying Diagne’s wages in the championship - especially when you consider that at least half of them are on the brink of going bust and there still remains question marks as to when supporters can return to matches.

He’s already touching 30 and the resale value will be minimal if we cannot get out of that division at the first attempt. He would have to agree to a reduction of nearly half his wages and then further reductions thereafter encase we do not get promoted.

I think both are doing great jobs of playing them into the mix for premier league football next season but unfortunately it will not be with us.

Diagne will have already agreed to whatever his wages will be next season as part of the option for us to buy him for £4m if we go down.  Those sort of option deals do not happen without the player also already agreeing to personal terms, otherwise the two clubs cannot strike the option deal in the first place.  My guess is that he’ll have agreed a wage reduction plus a promotion bonus with a release clause if we don’t go back up.   

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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2021, 10:13:46 AM »
I wouldn't move heaven and earth to get Diagne he is very likely to be the next aging player on a big wage we can't shift off our books.  I would like Yokuslu but that's not likely to happen.
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2021, 12:32:26 PM »
I wouldn't move heaven and earth to get Diagne he is very likely to be the next aging player on a big wage we can't shift off our books.  I would like Yokuslu but that's not likely to happen.

I disagree.  He’s only 29!  If we only pay £4m for him then it’s a lot easier to offload him if performance levels drop.

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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2021, 12:35:55 PM »
Who recruited these player's, Sam or Dowling?

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2021, 12:53:44 PM »
Who recruited these player's, Sam or Dowling?

Both.

Dowling has has to negotiate the deals and for that he deserves praise as the transfer window has undoubtedly improved the side.

I think the change of approach was largely caused by not only Allardyce but the lack of funds available to us. If he was pursued the domestic market then we’re not getting much in return.

Our search for a forward always had a continental approach given the links from when the window started. We’re fortunate we ended up with Yokuslu as Choudhury was the initial target. Based on what I’ve seen so far I think we’ve ended up being better off.

I don’t think we will truly know whether these were Allardyce signings but it’s safe to say that nothing Dowling has done at this football club previously suggests he is well versed in the continental markets and therefore it leads me to believe that it was largely Allardyce and agent driven.
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2021, 01:09:56 PM »
Both.

Dowling has has to negotiate the deals and for that he deserves praise as the transfer window has undoubtedly improved the side.

I think the change of approach was largely caused by not only Allardyce but the lack of funds available to us. If he was pursued the domestic market then we’re not getting much in return.

Our search for a forward always had a continental approach given the links from when the window started. We’re fortunate we ended up with Yokuslu as Choudhury was the initial target. Based on what I’ve seen so far I think we’ve ended up being better off.

I don’t think we will truly know whether these were Allardyce signings but it’s safe to say that nothing Dowling has done at this football club previously suggests he is well versed in the continental markets and therefore it leads me to believe that it was largely Allardyce and agent driven.
if Dowling hasn't identified these two players which seems a possibility then what's his role going forward? I personally would get rid because he's wasted millions on player's from domestic market.

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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2021, 01:15:40 PM »
I disagree.  He’s only 29!  If we only pay £4m for him then it’s a lot easier to offload him if performance levels drop.

Not at his wage levels. Look at the hit we have likely taken with Austin going to QPR with only 6 month remaining.


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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2021, 01:25:09 PM »
Not at his wage levels. Look at the hit we have likely taken with Austin going to QPR with only 6 month remaining.

Austin’s legs had gone before he got here. Diagne looks sharp and would score a hatful in the Champ.

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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2021, 01:33:28 PM »
Austin’s legs had gone before he got here. Diagne looks sharp and would score a hatful in the Champ.
another fine example of money wasted by Dowling and his insistence of using domestic market.

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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2021, 02:01:57 PM »
I disagree.  He’s only 29!  If we only pay £4m for him then it’s a lot easier to offload him if performance levels drop.

The £4m is not the issue that is pretty much a write off anyway. The problem is the likely 3 year contract at a club which is pretty much at the top of his range and also the top end of what we are prepared to pay it is a the same toxic combination that we saddled ourselves with Austin. Diagne is post peak, for journeyman pro's 29 (particularly for forwards) it is definitely post peak and it is a mistake we make time and time again. And no a good half season isn't going to stop him dropping off a cliff next season or one of the other two seasons you are buying.

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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2021, 04:02:02 PM »
To me Diagne is an asset . Whatever we are paying him and whatever fee we’ve agreed let’s make the deal permanent if we can . For those who question his age look at our marquee summer signing Karlan Grant at £16 million  and 23 years old . Who honestly at the moment is the better option?

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2021, 04:28:59 PM »
There seems a confidence among some that Diagne will stay when we go down. I still doubt this very much, for a number of reasons including wages of course. Let’s see. Would I want him? Definitely yes.

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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2021, 04:38:05 PM »
The £4m is not the issue that is pretty much a write off anyway. The problem is the likely 3 year contract at a club which is pretty much at the top of his range and also the top end of what we are prepared to pay it is a the same toxic combination that we saddled ourselves with Austin. Diagne is post peak, for journeyman pro's 29 (particularly for forwards) it is definitely post peak and it is a mistake we make time and time again. And no a good half season isn't going to stop him dropping off a cliff next season or one of the other two seasons you are buying.

This is spot on, especially when you add in some of his off-field behaviour throughout his career.

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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2021, 05:26:23 PM »
Not at his wage levels. Look at the hit we have likely taken with Austin going to QPR with only 6 month remaining.

His wage level for being in the Championship next season will have been something he’s already agreed and I cannot imagine that we’ve agreed to pay stupid wages.  There’ll be a big wage reduction but with a promotion bonus.

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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2021, 05:35:12 PM »
The £4m is not the issue that is pretty much a write off anyway. The problem is the likely 3 year contract at a club which is pretty much at the top of his range and also the top end of what we are prepared to pay it is a the same toxic combination that we saddled ourselves with Austin. Diagne is post peak, for journeyman pro's 29 (particularly for forwards) it is definitely post peak and it is a mistake we make time and time again. And no a good half season isn't going to stop him dropping off a cliff next season or one of the other two seasons you are buying.

I still don’t agree.   If he’s on £30k/week in the Championship and we want rid of them at the end of 2 years (when he’s only 31/32) on a 3-year contract then that would cost us £1.5m to buy out his contract, although we’d get part of our £4m fee back. 

If he was 2 years older now than he is, or if we were paying £9m for him now, then I’d totally agree with you.

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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2021, 05:55:54 PM »
I still don’t agree.   If he’s on £30k/week in the Championship and we want rid of them at the end of 2 years (when he’s only 31/32) on a 3-year contract then that would cost us £1.5m to buy out his contract, although we’d get part of our £4m fee back. 

If he was 2 years older now than he is, or if we were paying £9m for him now, then I’d totally agree with you.

If he is not performing well for us on £30k a week in the Championship who exactly is going to pay him that or anything like it to take him off our hands let alone for a fee on top?
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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2021, 06:04:32 PM »
If he is not performing well for us on £30k a week in the Championship who exactly is going to pay him that or anything like it to take him off our hands let alone for a fee on top?
Same applies to Grant though surely, even though much younger, due to his fee, the loss would be bigger.
Any player that's not performing is a potential loss. At least with Diagne we've had a try before you buy and, so far he's looking worth a punt at the figures quoted. There is also a difference between a fit 29 year old and a 30 year old whose had a horrific injury record.
If he keeps going the way he is then it's a definite yes from me.

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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2021, 06:26:50 PM »
If Diagne was a natural goalscorer he would be worth a punt but from what we’ve seen so far, sadly he does not seem to be that natural goal poacher in the mould of Kevin Philips, Peter Odemwinge or Dwight Gayle. Can anyone realistically see Diagne matching or coming anywhere close to those goalscoring legends?

He may be good as a heavyweight target man but he needs to play alongside a natural goal-getter feeding off Diagne.  On his own up front will not see a return of goals many think he will produce. You only have to see the chances he’s missed or been offside, illustrates the point.

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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2021, 06:31:09 PM »
He's got 56 goals in his last 74 games. Not sure who people think we could get with a better record.

He's obviously a natural goalscorer.
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