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Last Match Forum - 18/01 Stoke City (H) / Re: After Match Debate
« on: Yesterday at 07:46:54 PM »
The same restraints we had in summer where we signed way more than expected including 3m on Johnston?
Patel has money,the steam can be worked,we can buy and are pretty close on Isaac from the Belgian club..
We could also sell fellows and free off a fair bit of cash (I’m not saying we should) and if we did it could perhaps engineer 2 signings and a couple of very good loans ..

We are 6th in the table having been in a run of 200 drawers,come through Christmas having lost the manager just as Santa was loading his sleigh
We have 4-5 players who really haven’t had a fair crack in their favoured position yet
We had one proper fit striker (that we used)  during this period
We know have a manager who isn’t known for wasting money …
I think we are going to be ok .

Personally, I don't make a habit of going through other people's drawers  :D

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: Yesterday at 07:42:14 PM »
With Maja out for a while not sure it's worth having 2 wide men with nobody to cross to, do you think Mowbray might change the formation?

Yes but once they have collected the ball out wide they can move inside, especially as they're fast inverted wingers.  But the main idea is to make the other side's back line pressing right up and compressing us in our defensive third.

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Last Match Forum - 18/01 Stoke City (H) / Re: After Match Debate
« on: Yesterday at 12:53:43 PM »
Give Clearly a chance? He scored twice in a 5-0 demolition of Liverpool u21s yesterday.

Cleary needs to work for the team not just himself.  His size is useful when playing with youngsters but not so much an advantage against men.  Would rather give Sule a chance tbh.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: Yesterday at 11:21:54 AM »
Yep. Even though CC left about 3 weeks ago his system and style didn't.

Should begin to see a change in a week or 2 time. Mowbray only has 48 hours between now and Boro so can't do much with that.

Yes, hopefully not turning the draws into losses

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: Yesterday at 09:42:43 AM »
Personnel questions

1) There's something really weird about Wallace always coming on very late in the game.
 - Is he the shop window?
 - is there something specific in his contract?
 - Does he really supply solidity to se a game out (doesn't seem to have worked that often)
 - does he have some juicy scandal on the management?

2) Is Abela staying on?    I read somewhere that he's the analytics guy.  I don't know how far Mowbray buys into analytics but that may be Nestor's responsibility; he may be Nestor's man.  As a non-coach he's not done a bad job, really.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Tony Mowbray appointed as Head Coach
« on: January 18, 2025, 07:46:09 AM »
Not sure that TM can play such positive tactics with the present mob: put together with hardly any funds by CC.  He can bring players on but I doubt he's going to raise Dike from the treatment table or find a like for like replacement for Maja so I think the near term tactics must be based on swift counterattack.   

Watched Burnley - Sunderland yesterday evening and there's not many of our squad that I'd swap for either of them.  Just like with Carlos it will be a slow build while we're still paying loan interest.

To me, it has echoes of the Hodgson appointment.  Interested to know who else is going to be in his coaching team - besides Venus.

Anyway, best of luck Tony - you're going to need it.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next Head Coach Thread
« on: January 17, 2025, 08:34:34 AM »
Mark Venus is his long-term assistant and he has worked with him at every club since Hibs. I would fully expect Venus to return along with Mowbray but as for the rest of the coaching staff I don't think there is a team Mowbray.

TM could do with a much younger assistant who can do all the shouting and dancing in the technical area.  :)
Seriously, I think Nestor needs to find an analytics guy  - he surely should be comfortable with that.  Maybe we can keep Abela.  (I notice that the O.S. has a complete blank on the Coaching Staff page)

I think advanced talks maybe be sorting this type of detailed responsibilities out - not holding my breath.

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL CHAMPIONSHIP THREAD
« on: January 17, 2025, 08:16:50 AM »
More generically, the rules governing the checks on whether people (of all backgrounds) are "fit and proper" to run clubs are tightened AND carried out.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next Head Coach Thread
« on: January 16, 2025, 04:10:44 PM »
Jilted as we were at the altar by Wicky,  we should take our time and not engage on the the rebound with the the first person that appears .

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« on: January 16, 2025, 10:19:37 AM »
Is the problem with having an ex-team member as coach is that there's an unconscious loyalty towards those you played with?  They're your mates and you don't want any ill-feeling or to let them down.  Also there's a cosy clubby feeling within the first team squad.  This lays down a road block to those younger players wanting a chance in the first team. 

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Last Match Forum - 18/01 Stoke City (H) / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: January 16, 2025, 10:13:22 AM »
We have no one atm that can hold play up from balls sent down the middle so we must use the wings and hope Palmer doesn't send too many kicks out of play.

I don't see any alternative to playing Grant as striker / false nine.  I certainly wouldn't start Cole unless to give the opposition a false sense of security.  All we can do is to have a strong midfield and play for a breakaway goal.

Palmer

Furlong  Bartley (if fit) Heggem  Styles

Molumby Mowatt Diakite

Fellows  Grant  Johnston


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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next Head Coach Thread
« on: January 15, 2025, 12:13:42 PM »
If we're sitting around waiting for TM then the first big challenge for the new ownership and they have spectacularly failed.

...

Yeah we heard you a fair few posts back so I will repeat that many of the quick turnarounds were clubs that knew they were going to sack their manager and therefore knew exactly when they were going to need / appoint a new one.  All the annoying details like assistants and their contracts could be agreed in advance.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Caleb Taylor
« on: January 14, 2025, 09:19:34 AM »
Rio Ferdinand was 20 when Leeds paid £20m for him 24 years ago. If Taylor is a great white hope then his talent should be obvious sooner than later. Or he might just turn out to be a very average lower league footballer.

Players mature at different speeds, cf Tony Book at Manchester City years ago.  Early on Brentford identified several players who were late developers at EPL youth squads and brought them on.

Taylor might not be the gem some thought, but to dismiss him because another player commanded what was then a high price at 20 may not be wholly sensible. 

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next Head Coach Thread
« on: January 14, 2025, 09:08:50 AM »
Regarding Wicky, I'm not at all sad that he's not coming to the Black Country.  I wasn't impressed  by his stage-managed training video posted here.  He seemed to be shouting encouragement without doing any actual coaching or giving any instruction.  Contrast that with the initial videos of the  Corberan era.  He had the back line constantly shifting from side to side against the attacking threat and explaining what he wanted in other situations.  Basic coaching I know but the team needed that when he took over.

Bullet dodged - or just bad aim.

Football management is a truly stressful occupation.  Mowbray's true friends should try and dissuade him from returning.  Great guy but would need young assistants.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next Head Coach Thread
« on: January 13, 2025, 05:20:24 PM »
Maybe he watched the Bournemouth match.

Aha Poirot!  How do you do it?

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next Head Coach Thread
« on: January 13, 2025, 05:15:23 PM »
I blame the club for not checking or knowing the situation with visas (if that’s the case) it’s not like we have rushed this appointment.

The blame game starts.  Come all and sundry on here and cast your blame for whom you have a particular and probably unfounded dislike.  No doubt some will be blaming Carlos Corberan

The comparison with Plymouth is a little unfair as their directors knew they were going to fire him.  In our case, CC stomped off out of the blue.

My guess is that Wicky came over here and got cold feet "at the altar" and cooked up the story about his assistants. 

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Ipswich basically bought the best Championship side they could probably in the knowledge this season would be a struggle . Have to think Southampton would lose a few including Dibling & possibly Ramsdale . Leicester could well be the worst affected as I can’t see the likes of Mavididi, Faes, Ndidi etc hanging around to play championship football again

Yes and it's difficult to attract players when the odds are on you going straight down,

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I have it on very good authority that if Forest had been relegated, they’d have had to immediately file for administration.  That was an extreme gamble and I’m not sure that I’d like us to ever gamble like that.

Ipswich are being very clever now.  They may or may not stay up but if they go down they’ve already assembled a squad which would walk the Championship.  They could well stabilize in the Premier League second time around.

It will be interesting to see how many of their "star" players the relegated sides manage to retain. 

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Ian Pearce
« on: January 13, 2025, 09:33:59 AM »
I listened to the podcast today and there seemed to be a lot of praise for Peace and a thoroughly professional recruitment process conducted.

Did you really mean Peace i.e. harking back to the days of JP  and Ashworth?

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As I predicted we got a thrashing.  You can't expect League 1 and PL2 players suddenly manage the chasm of speed, thought and reaction that is required to play Premiership teams in one single leap.  But there you go.

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Yes we need to go up to get the PL money to do a rebuild. Nothings changed for me.

Recent experience seems to indicate that money received for going up is not sufficient to compete.  You have to take a gamble like Forest, overspend and hope you stay up.  Alternatively, you get relegated, your best players leave or are poached and the rest are expensive hangovers.

I'm not sure the yo-yo ratchet works anymore.   Rebuilds have to be steady and over a number of seasons.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next Head Coach Thread
« on: January 11, 2025, 10:52:09 AM »
I have seen no evidence that Moyes, Potter or Cooper and the like were beating down the exec doors of The Hawthorns to press their case.  I'd be interested if anybody can produce any.

In fact two of those above have already found a berth in the Prem.  I guess Cooper only has to wait until another EPL side slings its manager out and he gets his opportunity.

Yesterday, on the box, one of the commentator implied that Villa are far the biggest thing in the Midlands - (not just the West Mids).  That might give some indication of how we are regarded by the Moyes/Potter/Cooper sort of manager.

We need to build back slowly and without sudden sizeable injections of cash.  I'm going to give the Nestor/Wicky combination a chance to do that.

Ideally I would like to retain Abela.


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General Football & Sports / The Beautiful Game - or is it?
« on: January 09, 2025, 05:35:23 PM »
Picture this: two sets of players line up crowded inside a very small space.  A ball is injected between them.  There is mauling, grappling, wrestling to the ground, pulling of jerseys (hair too occasionally) and blocking.  A player is specially trained to receive the ball but the opponents try to smother him from moving.

Am I describing Rugby Football, American Football or Association Football aka Soccer?
Pundits, agents and other parties with a financial interest tell us that it’s the Beautiful Game.   But the shenanigans that take place on corners, long throw-ins and free kicks does not to me look beautiful at all. 

Is our football a game to be won by a side, for instance like Arsenal over Spurs, where there is a planned choreography to prevent Vicario coming and challenging for the ball?  If we want to watch a game tailored so that the team fielding the biggest, tallest, brawniest set of players will most likely prevail then we could go and watch Rugby.

We could go right back to football’s origins (all codes) where the game is played with an indeterminate number of players and no rules - the ball can progress by any means. Perhaps an artificial stream could be put along the centre line.  Alternatively, we can progress the game to accentuate the skills and movement that most of us allege we value.   

The decision may be taken out of our hands as the evidence that repeatedly heading the ball game after game, training session after training session is having a permanently deleterious effect on the brains of the players is becoming a) incontrovertible and b) no longer possible to ignore - especially for those under 23 years of age.  Getting the ball under control with the chest will be the only way to control a high pass.

The question is what would we replace corners with?  Perhaps something like a short corner in field hockey where the sides are separated: attackers on the edge of the area (which might become a semi-circle) and a limited number of defenders allowed on the goal line (2) and the by-line (4) – others on the centre line .  The ball is kicked in from a point on the by-line half-way between the centre of the goal and the edge of the area.

Why when a free kick is given do we have this boringly long pause to allow defenders to line up against attackers and the tiresome marking out of lines of separation.  It causes more grappling etc.  As long as it’s stationary and positioned where the foul was committed, just take the damn thing.  Defenders must get 5 metres clear or the free-kick advances 5 metres and repeat.  If the defence has not assembled itself and combed its hair whatever - too bad.

Change will come.  What form would you like it to be?

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I'm a bit bemused with Bournemouth having an established Premier League club. Bournemouth hasn't got the atmosphere of a football town. I associate it more with such sports as bowls, croquet and mini-golf.

Have you been a some time out of the UK? The Bournemouth area has had a big increase in population over the past decade or so; it's quite built up.  This is consistent with other South coast places (c Brighton, Southampton).  Many perhaps most of the incomers probably have arrived from football supporting areas.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next Head Coach Thread
« on: January 07, 2025, 01:04:10 PM »
Thankfully I'm sure Andrew NEstor & Bilkul are more forward thinking than to appoint the likes of Dyche should he be available.

If the new management mean what they say, they will be appointing someone who can use the academy and  who can coach young players into valuable assets..

I don't see Dyche in this category anymore than Bruce, Pardew etc.  However they may have been persuaded that we have a good chance of promotion - which we haven't.

(Valencia lost 1-2 against Real Madrid for whom Modric and Bellingham scored)

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