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« Reply #675 on: March 19, 2019, 07:48:49 PM »
What has come out tonight that we are considering letting Shan stay in caretaker charge until the end of the season is just pure embarrasing.

Many know by my posts that I never rated DM but why sack the bloke when we had no one lined up is a complete joke.

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« Reply #676 on: March 19, 2019, 07:49:35 PM »
What has come out tonight that we are considering letting Shan stay in caretaker charge until the end of the season is just pure embarrasing.

Many know by my posts that I never rated DM but why sack the bloke when we had no one lined up is a complete joke.

Always on the cheap Albion. Some things never change.

Got to agree but also not surprised one bit by the whole thing, laughing stock
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« Reply #677 on: March 19, 2019, 08:03:31 PM »
This was the major reason for not sacking Moore

Look at the alternatives

If Jokanovic wanted this job he would have been in the sportsman watching the game last week.

The rebuild in the summer is going to be off putting for many - it’s why we’Re facing the Appleton & Shan appointment..
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« Reply #678 on: March 19, 2019, 08:14:51 PM »
What has come out tonight that we are considering letting Shan stay in caretaker charge until the end of the season is just pure embarrasing.

Always on the cheap Albion. Some things never change.

I assume you're referring to the BBC report?

Matt Wilson reported some days ago that we were considering bringing in an interim Manager to work alongside James Shan, the BBC report just verifies that.
The only additional information from the BBC is M Appleton hasn't been approached, or isn't expecting one.
Not sure how well connected Simon Stone is.
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« Reply #679 on: March 19, 2019, 08:25:23 PM »
I assume you're referring to the BBC report?

Matt Wilson reported some days ago that we were considering bringing in an interim Manager to work alongside James Shan, the BBC report just verifies that.
The only additional information from the BBC is M Appleton hasn't been approached, or isn't expecting one.
Not sure how well connected Simon Stone is.



Yes mate the BBC one. I’m just embarrassed in general too that it’s coming up to 2 weeks since the club made the decision to sack DM and still no appointment. What would they have done if Shan had lost to Swansea ? Would they have panicked and appointed anybody just to fill the job? Because that’s the mentality it looks to be.

We always do it on the cheap and with no ambition what so ever.

The fans deserve better.

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« Reply #680 on: March 19, 2019, 08:47:02 PM »
I know what you are saying is correct Dan , but no manager will ever get 100% supporter backing. We have not had a manager since, nor will we, who was "adored" like SGM was when we pipped the Dingles though,and then, when not backed in the Prem and relegated, got us back again.
51 years a season ticket holder and I won't hear a word said against him.
Some of the potential manager's being mentioned on here. Words bloody fail me. I'll shut up on this subject now !
I think he would be a good appointment
There would be no room for cliques or favours, SGM is wise enough to know he wouldn't be here next year and I genuinely think we could still make top 2

I understand the calls forbjokanovic, but he is not the man for 8 games, he needs transfers and a full season.
Get SGM in
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« Reply #681 on: March 19, 2019, 09:03:18 PM »


Yes mate the BBC one. I’m just embarrassed in general too that it’s coming up to 2 weeks since the club made the decision to sack DM and still no appointment. What would they have done if Shan had lost to Swansea ? Would they have panicked and appointed anybody just to fill the job? Because that’s the mentality it looks to be.

We always do it on the cheap and with no ambition what so ever.

The fans deserve better.


Pretty sure that the immediate objective is to get promoted to the EPL.

Given that any new manager has to work with the existing squad of players, & probably most of the staff, who James Shan has an in depth knowledge.
Just as a matter of interest, what could the new manager add to the party, to achieve the objective?

By the middle of May, we will either be in the EPL or remain in the EFL. Either way, the choice for Manager (or more importantly, what we pay them) will be much more straight forward.
Our income stream in the EPL is likely to be twice as much as in the EFL, it's unlikely we could afford £2 million per year for a manager in the EFL.
By comparison we were allegedly paying TP around £1.7 million per year.
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« Reply #682 on: March 19, 2019, 10:39:05 PM »
I’d happily take either SGM or Pearson till the rest of the season, working with Shan. 

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« Reply #683 on: March 19, 2019, 10:50:29 PM »
Would much rather have Pearson/GM than Appleton

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« Reply #684 on: March 20, 2019, 08:47:02 AM »

Pretty sure that the immediate objective is to get promoted to the EPL.

Given that any new manager has to work with the existing squad of players, & probably most of the staff, who James Shan has an in depth knowledge.
Just as a matter of interest, what could the new manager add to the party, to achieve the objective?

By the middle of May, we will either be in the EPL or remain in the EFL. Either way, the choice for Manager (or more importantly, what we pay them) will be much more straight forward.
Our income stream in the EPL is likely to be twice as much as in the EFL, it's unlikely we could afford £2 million per year for a manager in the EFL.
By comparison we were allegedly paying TP around £1.7 million per year.

i know what you are saying, but why sack DM in the first place then? i just do not get it at all and i never rated him. i just think to do that, we should have already had a replacement lined up. some others have posted, what happens if Shan stays in charge and gets us to win the play offs, does he get the job then?

we should have a manager in place who the board believe is good enough to keep us up in the prem, or challenge in the championship, let him get a feel for the club and players etc for the remaining games and then has a full pre-season at least of not coming into the unknown if we appoint him in june/july.

considering Lai paid top end of the market for WBA and his investment is now probably worth 1/3 of what he paid, i would have thought he would show some ambition/urgency to correct the mistakes that keep happening, obviously not and we remain the same, no ambition and doing it on the cheap yet again.

so frustrating.

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« Reply #685 on: March 20, 2019, 08:57:25 AM »
For those questioning the timing, maybe the board think that Shan is more capable of getting results than DM regardless of wo is appointed next. I certainly do.

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« Reply #686 on: March 20, 2019, 09:37:20 AM »
For those questioning the timing, maybe the board think that Shan is more capable of getting results than DM regardless of wo is appointed next. I certainly do.
Sadly I agree , our last performances under Moore and Jones lacked so many basics . Frankly I was worried about even getting in a play off spot , at best we'd have gone into them limping form wise.
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« Reply #687 on: March 20, 2019, 09:48:15 AM »
The problem is we have 8/10 maybe 11 games to go.
If a new man comes in, it will take from 2/3 games for the players to get used to his methods and vice versa.

If we appoint someone interim to come in alongside Shan, this will work for now. Someone who knows the players, knows their strengths, hows how to play, stay solid at the back.

There is certainly pros and cons for both.

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« Reply #688 on: March 20, 2019, 09:52:03 AM »
It is very highly probable that we will be in REAL pressure pot games as we try to succeed in the play offs. I would worry that Shan could be left to make decisions worth up to £100m without an experienced "mentor / advisor / sounding board" to assist him.

If the board has confidence that James can achieve the clubs objectives with his current team, all well and good, BUT, personally I think its a hell of a gamble.

I wouldn't be averse to asking SGM to come in for a short stint to "help" with a huge bonus for him and Shan to achieve success.  I don't think that SGM would be "tolerated" by the players or the club as a medium term / long term solution, sadly.  (says as much about the players / club as SGM)

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« Reply #689 on: March 20, 2019, 09:52:25 AM »
Percy saying Shan in charge for Blues game and Jokanovic will be looked at again in the Summer.

Absolute shambles this club has been the last few years, and continues to be so  ::)

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« Reply #690 on: March 20, 2019, 10:01:11 AM »
i know what you are saying, but why sack DM in the first place then? i just do not get it at all and i never rated him. i just think to do that, we should have already had a replacement lined up. some others have posted, what happens if Shan stays in charge and gets us to win the play offs, does he get the job then?

we should have a manager in place who the board believe is good enough to keep us up in the prem, or challenge in the championship, let him get a feel for the club and players etc for the remaining games and then has a full pre-season at least of not coming into the unknown if we appoint him in june/july.

considering Lai paid top end of the market for WBA and his investment is now probably worth 1/3 of what he paid, i would have thought he would show some ambition/urgency to correct the mistakes that keep happening, obviously not and we remain the same, no ambition and doing it on the cheap yet again.

so frustrating.

I agree with BaggieJohn that our sole ambition is to get us back into the Premier League. However, I think that our current owner [and his consortium] realise that they have had their pants pulled down and will look to sell us at the first available opportunity once we are back in the greed league. There is no evidence to suggest that Mr Lai is prepared to invest big money into the club. He could have gone and bought decent players for the future [Dack for example - lets not debate as to whether we did or did not bid for him] but we have gone down the loan route. The fact that getting money out of China is restricted does not help our cause either.

Darren was given the spanish because of our recent performances, and Mr Lai could see us slipping out of the top 6 and his 'investment' devaluing further. The fact that we have won our last two games strenghtens our position somewhat but I am amazed that they did not have someone lined up beforehand. That just makes us look amateurish.

Unfortunately I think that there is a hidden agenda to what is going on at the Hawthorns, and it relates to balancing the books and getting as much of the investment back ASAP. I believe that the development of the club as a potent force is very much lower down on the list of priorities.

I fear for our future.
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« Reply #691 on: March 20, 2019, 10:33:49 AM »
If we can't tempt SJ or that level then letting Shan see the season out makes sense to me .
Worst thing we could have done is get another old timer / has been / never was and give them a 18 month contract.
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« Reply #692 on: March 20, 2019, 10:43:27 AM »
Dennis Wise been spotted
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« Reply #693 on: March 20, 2019, 10:54:07 AM »
Dennis Wise been spotted

I've just seen our milkman by the ground as well but I doubt if he'll get the job.
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« Reply #694 on: March 20, 2019, 10:59:49 AM »
The biggest fear for me with this route is IF Shan (and supporting coaches) get us promoted, then they would be in a very strong position to get the job fulltime. The whole situation is the same thing that happened this time last year with DM.

Shan is integral to our youth set up, he's not ready to be first team manager YET and is definitely not ready to be a premier league manager if he was to guide us up. Would hate to see him leave the club if it didn't work out. He has invested more time into our youth players that a lot of coaches and knows them better than anyone else, would be a big loss to our academy.

But then IF we did get promoted, and didn't give him the job, you can guarantee our good friend at Talksport would have a problem with it and probably say we are hindering young coaches progression and couldn't imagine a bald guy being successful or some over nonsense.
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« Reply #695 on: March 20, 2019, 11:16:31 AM »
John Percy, just reported that it looks like Shan until the end of the season with the club revisiting Jokanovic in the Summer.

I can smell the cheap from here  >:(
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« Reply #696 on: March 20, 2019, 11:21:54 AM »
Huge gamble on a guy who hasn't done the job before !

I hope Chris Brunt and co are on board with this !  (genuinely)
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« Reply #697 on: March 20, 2019, 11:30:30 AM »
The sheer incompetence at the highest level of this football club never ceases to amaze me.
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« Reply #698 on: March 20, 2019, 11:37:27 AM »
John Percy, just reported that it looks like Shan until the end of the season with the club revisiting Jokanovic in the Summer.

I can smell the cheap from here  >:(

"Club revisiting Jokanovic in the summer" is a statement which baffles me.  It seems pretty clear that on a Championship budget we aren't willing to pay Jokanovic what he wants.  So I presume we are only willing to 'revist' if we get promoted.  However the whole pull to get Jokanovic is because he is a specialist at getting teams promoted, in the Premier League he has failed.   If there is a time to push for him it is now, not in the summer.
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« Reply #699 on: March 20, 2019, 11:57:02 AM »
"Club revisiting Jokanovic in the summer" is a statement which baffles me.  It seems pretty clear that on a Championship budget we aren't willing to pay Jokanovic what he wants.  So I presume we are only willing to 'revist' if we get promoted.  However the whole pull to get Jokanovic is because he is a specialist at getting teams promoted, in the Premier League he has failed.   If there is a time to push for him it is now, not in the summer.

For me, that's made up my mind that I don't want Jokanovic as our manager.

I want someone who wants to be our manager, who wants to manage the club, not someone who's probably outpriced himself and only interested/affordable if we get promoted.

No thanks, Next.
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